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SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Look, I would love to see it on max. I would love to see it as part of Warner's. I agree. It wouldn't be like, all right, we're going to bring back Lampley and Kellerman. It's a very different dynamic right now, but that would be a soft landing spot for PBC. Again, I would warn people listening to this and aggregators that may be out there. I don't see anything happening with Warner's or any of that that we just talked about until the NBA rights package is settled out. That is a priority first and foremost for not just Warner's, but Turner, ESPN, NBC, streaming services. Everybody's trying to get a piece of that NBA pie. It probably won't be until next summer when all that is ultimately settled. So I think there'll be PBC pay-per-views. I think Amazon is certainly a strong candidate to do some of that. Then we'll see. We'll see who emerges once the dust settles on all these rights deals that are being signed beginning with the NBA. We'll see what happens there. I want to go back for our next topic to talk about Tyson Fury. A couple of weeks removed now from Fury against Francis Ngannou. I believe it's full steam ahead for Fury Ussek. I've heard some things about a press conference maybe next week over in the UK to announce that fight. It sounds like that fight's going to happen in February, I'm going to guess, maybe around that time. Going into that Ussek fight, despite the fact that people had talked about Fury as ducking Ussek, which I never really believed, but I still made Fury a big favor because I thought Fury would just box him. He'd use his size, use his length, use his activity to just outbox Ussek. I didn't think it'd be easy because Ussek is great and doesn't make any fight easy, but I thought Fury would outbox him. I feel a little bit differently now after watching Fury against Francis Ngannou. Maybe you can argue that was a one-night-only bad performance by Tyson Fury. I can buy that. The people that are saying, hey, three fights with Deontay Wilder, an obliteration of Dillion White, a total wipeout of Derek Tesora, don't hold it against him, that he didn't take this fight with Alexander Ussek all that seriously. On the flip side, he's 35 years old, and he has been in some physical fights over the years, and he does carry a lot of weight on that body. Does what you saw a couple of weeks ago with Fury and Ngannou alter your opinion at all about what might happen with Fury against Ussek? So I'm with you on that. I'm willing to chalk it off as just a one-night, really, really, really bad performance by Tyson Fury. To me, it just seemed like it was an event. Nobody took it seriously. I don't know if you did. I certainly didn't. But it seemed like Tyson just went in. Everyone saw it for the sideshow that it was. Tyson found out real early that Francis Ngannou came to fight. I didn't watch it live. I went back. I had the benefit of knowing the result before I went back and actually watched it because I wasn't paying $80 for it. But I did score an objective. I did think he deserved to win the fight. But Francis Ngannou certainly won the event. As far as Ussek, weirdly, after the DuBois fight, I kind of wondered more about Ussek. Have we seen the absolute best of him? He's been a guy crippled by inactivity. Fury, it's almost been his choice. With Ussek, it's a lot of injuries, and he averages less than two fights a year. I keep saying with all these guys that sit out for so long, eventually that inactivity catches up to you. We've seen it with so many fights here alone. But now it's with both guys. This was Tyson's first fight since the trilogy fight. We've got to stop calling that a trilogy. When you have three fights ending badly for one guy, it's no longer a trilogy. Just three fights. The third step up fight in that series for Tyson Fury. But yeah, that's been 11 months. He had that benefit. He had two fights. Everything we saw with Dillion White, he's not completely shocked from that three fight series with Deontay Wilder. But you do wonder if the punch resistance is gone. Like you said, he was getting up there in age. That catches up to you. He's been down quite a bit. He was down even before Deontay Wilder, too. So he's taking his little bit of punishment more so in that three fight series, the true trilogy. And then he didn't take any against Dillion White or Derek Jazora, but just being out that long. And then obviously he took his lumps here. Now I'm back to, I was always 50-50. I figured Fury's going to just find a way to win because he usually gets by on a size alone. But Usyk is probably the best technician in the heavyweight division. After the DuBois fight, I'm like, okay, where is Usyk at? I think we've seen the best, but maybe this version of Usyk will be enough to get past Tyson Fury. I guess for all the head games, I do want to believe Tyson Fury is absolutely going to take that fight seriously. For now, it seems like Usyk is way more committed to it. I am with you though. Alex Grassick seems confident that we're going to get an announcement next week. So either they're being completely scammed or this fight is finally on the horizon and, you know, we'll finally get that announcement. I'm still right around 50-50. I don't know if I'm ready to all the way commit to saying that Usyk would be the favorite. I guess maybe I was like 60-40 going into the Fury and Gano fight. Now just wondering how much punch resistance Fury has. I would say a little bit, yeah, maybe, you know, Usyk I think has a better chance than maybe I thought he did on, you know, going into October 28th. Yeah, I was 60-40 as well before the Gano fight. Now I'm closer to 50-50. I'm not lower than that because going into a Usyk fight, Fury doesn't really have to worry about the power. I mean, Usyk's got the skill, but, you know, yeah, he's got some knockouts and he did hurt Anthony Joshua in that first fight, but I don't think he has the power to hurt Tyson Fury. So he does need to be wary of that, not in the same way he was when he fought France and Ghana. What I'm curious about over the next couple of months is how does Tyson Fury handle being a guy that's widely criticized? Like, it's been like 10 years, Jake, since Fury faced criticism for a performance, really. You got to go back to like Steve Cunningham when he fought him in New York when he got knocked down in that fight. Since then, Fury has been either, you know, meeting expectations or exceeding them, whether it was the Vladimir Klitschko fight, the fights with Deontay Wilder. He took care of business easily against Dillian White, who at that time was still a reasonably high ranked contender. He's never faced this kind of backlash before. And look, I'm not going to question Tyson Fury's mental toughness because that's, he's mentally tough as they come to overcome the things that he has. But, you know, watching some of the interviews that he did after the fight, like there's an adversarialness to them at times. You're like, yes, like, you know, people are asking like, did the stuff we're talking about, did you lose, have you lost something? You're 35 years old. Why couldn't you take care of a guy that's never boxed before? I mean, France and Ghana didn't win the fight, but he won the day. And he was the guy that he was talking about in the aftermath. Fury has had to kind of go on the defensive, which he hasn't done in a long time. And maybe it's weird to say, but I just wonder if that's going to affect it. Maybe it motivates him. I don't know. It could, it could work the other way, but I think it is a variable in all this, how Tyson Fury handles kind of the negative attention that's around him for the first time in his career. Yeah, that is a very good point. Cause even going into the second Deontay Wilder fight, it's like, yeah, he had to cut, you know, against him, but he clearly won that fight. You know, that, that was, you know, that was volume's big victory is that he had Tyson Fury hurt at one point, but he couldn't finish them. But, you know, there was nothing, there wasn't really that much criticism, everything else, like even going into the first Deontay Wilder fight, Fury was playing with house money. Nobody gave him a shot. And, you know, he arguably won that fight. So I I'm kind of with you on that. I would say going into the Dillian White fight, like that began like, okay, he was going to pick and choose who he was going to speak to in the media. Cause he clearly wasn't gonna talk to anyone who was going to ask about our good friend DK. But ever since then I have, you know, Fury's been like, you know, a little bit selective with who he speaks to in the media. So, and now I'm also, it's like, how many times is he going to answer those same questions? Or he's just going to be, okay, next, next question, next question, you know, that's going to be coming. So I don't know if that's going to carry into the ring, but it is an interesting dynamic in his career. Yeah, it makes that Usyk fight a lot more interesting. And I do think we'll get an update next week, some point next week. I was going to say, we're either getting that, or we're just, you know, like a day away from another Tyson Fury meltdown to complete. I know. Yeah. It's either going to be announced or he's going to retire. Like exactly. That's the only thing I see stopping the fight at this point. All right. I want to talk about the 135 pound division. I was in Lake Tahoe this past weekend because I'm a masochist and I was watching the fight headline by FA at Jogba, you know, fighting Joe Goodall, you know, that whatever, you know, that's, that fight was fine, but I was most interested in the co-main events. Raymond, Raymond Murataya. Am I saying that correctly? I think I'm saying that right. Undefeated 135 pounder. And I've watched a little bit of his fights, you know, over the last couple of years, he's been fighting for top rank. He had a fight against Diego Torres and going into that fight, it felt like to me, that could have been an upset specialty. You got Diego Torres, a bit of an unknown Mexican puncher, you know, Murataya, good fighter. I didn't know how good he was. Certainly thought he was good. He certainly believed he was on that championship level, but then Murataya goes out there and just dominates, brilliant performance, finishes it with a knockout. He is ranked in the top 10, I think in at least a couple of the sanctioning bodies right now. I don't want to over-hype the guy, Jake, but I mean, undefeated, got Robert Garcia in his corner, got power. I think he's got 16 knockouts in his nine, his nine fights or his 19 wins. What do you make of this guy? Like, I was impressed with what I saw. Like, do you see this kid as a contender at 135? I absolutely see him as a contender. He's definitely someone on the rise. I mean, Lightweight, depending on what happens December 9th, most of us seem to believe Devin Haney, his last fight at Lightweight was against Vassili Lomachenko. I do not see him coming back, just as big as he is. That's a lot to come back, except maybe a fight with Tank, which would be, you know, insane money for him to turn down. Beyond that, I think Lightweight's going to undergo a complete transformation and Raymond Murtagh will definitely be a part of that. I love the fact he's already overcome adversity, too. You know, his first fight of the year, he got knocked down, he came back and he knocked out, what was it, Humberto Galindo, I believe it was. So, you know, we've already seen that from him. It's like, okay, you know, can he take a punch? You know, I think he can. You know, I think he just got caught and then, but he didn't let it shake him up. He, you know, he came right back, he knocked the guy out and he's been on a roll ever since. I feel a little cheated because I was, I even told him this too, was supposed to be ringside when he fought Diego Torres, was supposed to be on the Navarrete Oscar Valdez card. And, you know, he got injured. And so now it got pushed back. And I will say this for you, Chris, you went to Lake Tahoe, not only did you go to Lake Tahoe, you went there for an FA job to fight. So you were like the ultimate best guest, but yeah, there was, you know, perfect opportunity for Raymond Murtagh to steal the show. Granted, FA did what he did, but Murtagh went in, he saw, you know, the, the opportunity and he seized it. I am, he has tremendous upside. I don't think he's going to be rushed either. So I think that's also working in his favor between top rank and Robert Garcia. He is in very, very good hands. So, and top rank, they have, you know, significant stock in the lightweight division. So, uh, yeah, I really see him being a major player in 2024. Yeah. They've got a lot of pieces in the lightweight division. I do think from, you know, when I was out there talking to some top-ranked people, I think they will get Momochenko against Cambosis in the first quarter of 2024 for the IBF version of the 135 pound title, which will mean George Cambosis gets yet another payday, probably in Australia. Like when that fight takes place, I swear to God, all respect to George Cambosis. Like he has turned one win to like $25 million, maybe more. Like he has, and look, even if he loses to Momochenko, he can go up to 140 and fight Teofimo in like a rebound fight and make another million bucks. Like it's unbelievable. One win. And he's turned that into a boatload of cash, more power to him, Lou DiBella and the rest of his management team over there. So yeah, they've got some, some pieces there. And if you're more Italian, you're in a great spot. You want to, you know, let's assume Shakur Stevenson next week wins that version of the 135 pound title. You got Momochenko, you know, maybe they fight each other at some point next year. If you're more Italian, you want to get into that other half of the bracket. You want to get a WBO belt. You want to get a WBA belt. I know it's a little bit trickier, you know, navigating these things. Although the WBA does a lot of what top rank is, uh, exactly likes to do. But, you know, I, I was impressed. Like you said, like he got knocked down a few fights before. I haven't been dazzled by him in, in fights, fights that I've seen since, but the way he dominated Torres start to finish battered him, you know, until that guy couldn't, you know, maybe a bit of an early quick stoppage, but still he was, you know, beat down at every single round. That was really impressive from that guy. I think he's, he's legit player, uh, great performance by him on the zone broadcast of the Joe Cordena, uh, Edward Vasquez fight, which, uh, I almost won big on betting on Edward Vasquez. This close, this close got him at plus eight, 10 Jake this close, by the way, not a robbery either. Like Cordena won. It was fine. 16, 12 wide, but whatever Vasquez didn't do enough in the first half of the fight to, to win in my opinion, but on that broadcast, uh, we had John Ryder, uh, talking about his future, John Ryder, of course, coming off the loss to Canelo Alvarez, what the distance with him back in May has been a lot of talk about John Ryder against Jaime Munguia. You know, Munguia of course, fighting at 168, looking for an opponent as early as January, John Ryder has thrown his name into the mix. We talk a lot, Jake, about competitive opponents for Jaime Munguia, credible opponents for Jaime Munguia. If that fight gets over the finish line, is John Ryder a legit test for Jaime Munguia? Um, I would say so. Um, all right, let me backtrack on that. I guess in the grand scheme of things, it's like it, I guess it depended on your viewpoint of what you thought the Munguia-Sergei Durbanchenko fight was going to be. If you thought that was going to go exactly as it did, and you were fine with Munguia's performance in it, that, you know, the fact that he didn't dominate him, that he had to overcome, you know, a war like that to win, then yes, John Ryder will be a test for him. Um, and to me, it's a very similar fight. John Ryder is like the guy that came this close. He arguably should have beat Callum Smith to win the title. Um, and then he's just, you know, he kind of fluked his way into the interim title to get that Canelo payday. So I think it's a good test for Munguia just because Munguia hadn't fought anybody since he moved up from 154, you know, at middleweight. And then up until he fought Durbanchenko, that was like his first true test since he's been a champion. So I think it's a nice step for what Munguia wants to accomplish in 2024. I do love the fact that, you know, Eric Gomez at the WBO convention has said, yeah, we're going to accept our mandatory now because he's been turning it down, you know, at middleweight and even at super middleweight, he's kind of been buying his time like, yeah, of course we'll fight Canelo. And then, you know, I'll take the mandatory now. Unbelievable. He's turned down beginning with Demetrius Andrade at 154. He was turning down mandatory left and right. Yeah. He turned down Andrade several times. He turned down Janovic several times. But Paco, what I love is like, okay, well, you're not going to sit there and keep that ranking. It's like Canelo's mandatory is not due until like next December. So, you know, he has to go out and fight it. I do find it weird that he's going to fight John Ryder potentially in I believe January. And this is all setting up a big fight with Edward Palengo. It's like, I don't know if that's, which direction that's going, but I know that's a very sellable fight that, you know, just don't hold both guys at one point. You know, that's the fight they wanted. You know, that's why they didn't get, you know, cheap tune ups, you know, in November. It's why they're both only fighting once this year. I'm fine with him fighting John Ryder next. I think it'll be a tough grueling challenge that he will find a way to overcome. I think he's fully grown at 168. I like this fit better for him than I do at 160. Yeah, I like the John Ryder fight. I think it's a difficult one in some ways because Ryder is tricky. He does have a legitimate win over Daniel Jacobs. He did, you know, the Zach Parker fight ended because Parker got injured, but there's no reason to believe he couldn't have won that fight too. And he went the distance with Canelo for whatever that's worth. So I think it's a legitimate test for Jaime Munguia. If we're building towards Munguia-Berlanga in June, July, it's fine. Like I'm fine with it. As long as his name is on the dotted line to fight Edgar Berlanga in June, July, that's credible enough. I think the bigger problem is finding some for Edgar Berlanga, who his team will accept for that fight. I don't know. Maybe you know who they're going to accept. My simple, basic run through of the 168-pound ranking settled on Patrick McGrory. I don't know anything about him, but I'm fine with him because he's undefeated and he's highly ranked by one of the sanctioning bodies. I could live with that, I guess. It seems to me like Edgar Berlanga is going to have to find somebody credible to fight, whether it's February, March, whenever they get that deal over the finish line. I don't know if you have any insight into who he might be facing next, but I think that's a bigger challenge than finding someone for Munguia. Munguia seems willing to fight Ryder. Cool. Matchroom wants to do that fight. Cool. It's reasonable. Now you got to do the Berlanga side of all this, and that might be a little more challenging. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't have any real insight on who Berlanga will fight just when. I know I've heard January or February, they want to keep those fights as close as possible to build that intrigue and not keep either one on the bench too long. McGrory would make sense, because I believe he wasn't running up until they decided he was going to fight Jason Quigley instead. Matter of fact, I think I had a story written until I found out, oh shit, I got the one Irish guy. But yeah, I think that would be fine. Anyone that is undefeated, I don't think that's a terrible fight for Berlanga, especially considering who he's fought so far. His career has leveled off. I think getting that commitment, okay, we got this fight, then we're going to fight Munguia next, which I do believe Berlanga side is already on board for. If that turns out to be who he fights, I'm perfectly fine with both of those fights leading up to that. McGrory, actually, from what I heard, he's a sneaky good punch. He doesn't have a lot of knockouts on his resume, but he's got a little bit of power as well. But he's credible. That's the most important thing. Jason Quigley as a comeback fight, fine. But you got to fight somebody credible in your weight class. And if you're not going to fight Christian Mabili or one of these other guys that's ranked really high, which I don't necessarily blame you for, I think Christian Mabili is really, really good. He's dangerous. Or you're not going to fight a Diego Pacheco who is going to fight in a couple of weeks, then fine. A guy like McGrory, that works. Do it again in New York. You can talk about all the Irish guys you're beating up or whatever in New York City. You'll probably do a good crowd at the theater, at the Garden, so that's fine. But again, none of this matters unless these guys have their names signed to fight each other. We need to get Berlanga against Munguia the middle half of next year. This cannot be another situation like it was with Demetrius Andrade and Gennady Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez, all kind of fighting under the same banner but never fighting each other. You can't have that happen. You've got good prime super middleweights. I'd even throw Pacheco in that mix if he gets through the next couple of fights, this one coming up in a week and then after that. That guy's ranked the top 10 by four of the sanctioning bodies too. He's going to be in line for a mandatory title shot at some point. You've got to get these guys in the ring. It begins with Munguia against Berlanga. Do John Ryder against Jaime Munguia, then do McGrory against Edgar Berlanga. Let's have a big fight, man. Let's have a big fight that sells out an arena in Southern California that does a big number, maybe the big room even at Magic Square Garden, Mexico versus Puerto Rico. How often do those miss? How often do those fights not turn out to be fantastic? Let's just make that one happen. Last thing for you, keeping it on the Irish theme, Calum Walsh is in action on Thursday. I'm going to watch that fight live here in New York.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"I see what you're saying, Chris, but that's a lot of ifs. That's a lot of things that would have to break perfectly for him to get back into that position. And I wouldn't count on Tyson Fury fighting three more times if I were Francis Ngannou. If I'm going to map out my financial future, I'm not basing it on Tyson Fury, who retires every other day and at some point might just be done because I know he loves boxing and he's always said he wanted to fight 10 more times and the guy hasn't fought 10 times in the last 10 years or whatever, but he said he wants to fight 10 more times. Okay, fine. But what happens when he loses one of these fights? Let's just say he loses to Usyk. Maybe they don't fight again. And then he doesn't fighting. That's why I don't next. Because PFL pressures him. I mean, they have a contract with him and everything and his waiting for a while. And from PFL his perspective, they've invested in him. And he's never going to be bigger than he is right now. So they want to get him in the cage and have him fight and all that kind of stuff. I'm not going to pretend to know the levels of guys in MMA that he could fight because I don't watch it. And I'm not pretending to know who's a safe. I just Google his names. Keep the potential opponents. I don't know anything about it. I don't even know the PFL heavyweight. I'm just sort of throwing those names out there that came out like MMA fighting.com is what I think I looked at. And I don't mean that in a demeaning way. I just don't it's just not on my rate. I don't pay attention to it. So I don't know what's a dangerous fight for him in MMA and what isn't what I do know is that he's 37 years old and you go in there and you take a risk against a guy if he gets picked off by one of these MMA guys before he boxes again, his value is not as high as it is today. So I get what you're saying. Oh, he can't wait around for six months to get some sort of payday that might never come from season. How long is react season? I don't even know what Riyadh season means exactly. But but like a fall type season, three months, four months, I guess it's just where they just throw money at everyone, apparently, including Eminem and a lot of other people. But it was a lot of people. It was a lot of people there, Keith, first time I've seen Dimitri, Beeville Archer better be having the same room. No, exactly. Maybe they could put that fight on. That's the fight people actually want to see, too. So but all joking aside, Chris, I mean, if I'm him, I just waited out for a few months unless PFL pressures him to get back into the cage. And I don't know what their plan is, obviously. But unless they do that, I would just wait for a few months and see if you can fight Joshua or Wilder or whatever. But one thing I would say is even though Fury has knocked out Deontay White, he stopped him once while he was standing and knocked them spark out, as he likes to say in the third fight. You get hit by Deontay Wilder, it's going to be a little different. You know, he ain't a boxer and he does everything almost virtually everything fundamentally wrong, but there is not a heavyweight in the world that punches like that. So you get caught with a couple of those. I mean, it might be a little different story, but people that it would captivate the public's imagination. Right. So if I'm him, I just wait that out and just see what happens over a reasonable amount of time. Like you said, you can't wait six, seven months, because then of course people start forgetting and he's what 38 now, like he's already up there. I think he's 30. He's 37. That's another factor in all this, Chris. He's 37 years old. And you know, maybe he doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on him because he started late and all that kind of stuff. But you know, that MMA training is no joke. So, I mean, I'm sure his body's banged up and everything. I mean, he wants to get paid just like anyone else who would be 37 years old and fury is 35 now. So, and didn't really treat his body well for a lot of his life. So he might be an old 35 if there's such a thing. Well, let's touch on that real quick because look, I've been covering Tyson Fury pretty closely since about 2013 when he came to the US and fought Steve Cunningham at the garden. And I've seen or been to all of his fights since then. That was the worst I've ever seen of him. Unquestionably, you know, and it did not look anything close to the fighter we saw fight so brilliantly over three fights against Deontay Wilder did not look like the guy that starched Dillion White with an uppercut. They're not like the guy that beat down Derek to Sora. And it was a little surprising, I guess, because, you know, Tyson Fury, yeah, he hasn't fought in 11 months, but told everybody that would listen, he had a 10, 12 week training camp, was not fighting Deontay Wilder again, was not finding out with any boxing experience. And he went out there and he looked slow. His jab looks soft, the power punches. They weren't there. You know, look, he let go of his right hand far more against his Deontay Wilder that he did against France and Ghana. What did you make of the way Tyson Fury fought? And what do you think it means for Tyson Fury? Well, you know, Chris, he, again, he's 35, so his reflexes might not be what they once were. His legs aren't what they once were. And he relied a lot on athleticism and doing things that frankly, a six foot nine, 280 pound guy should not be able to do. So maybe he's not capable from a physical standpoint of doing those things anymore. And then he's going to have to adjust his game accordingly. But he did, he didn't look good, obviously, but I think a lot of that had to do with Francis and Ghana and what and Ghana was not allowing him to do. And I think once he was in there within Ghana and said, this guy's not really, you know, the sucky fighter that I might have thought that he was, he was like, Oh, man, like, you know, because he came out, if you remember, right at the start of the fight, I think he threw a right hand right at him. And I think he was like, trying to send a message immediately. And, and as the fights as the rounds went on, and then of course, he gets knocked down toward the end of the third round, which really didn't surprise me all that much, Chris, in the sense that he's been knocked down before you were, I think, I'm pretty sure that was an NBC Sports Network. But like a tree falling in the forest there, Keith, totally. And I think you were broadcasting that fight. And I was covering it for the paper and all that stuff. And that was the first that was the second time I believe he was knocked down in a fight. He had been knocked down in one of his previous fights against an unbeaten European guy whose name escapes me right now. But he was the first guy to knock him down. Fury got off the deck and stopped that guy. And the guy only fought one more time in his career. But he's been down against so that Cunningham knockdown was the second knockdown of his career. He's obviously been knocked down four times by Deontay Wilder twice a piece in their first and third fights. And now in this fight, I'm pretty sure he's been down seven times altogether in his career. So and when he went down, it wasn't like he was in any worse shape than he's been in for some of these other knockdowns. He was like, Ah, I gotta scrape my big ass off the canvas again. He seemed fine. It was more flash knockdown is the right word. But he composed himself and he got up and he didn't look like he was all that hurt after that, to be honest. I mean, he's obviously down two points in that round and maybe realized he's in with a better or surely realized that he's in with a better guy than he was expecting. But I didn't think he was on the verge of getting knocked out or anything. But I think that adjusted his strategy moving forward because he's like, I couldn't go down again, then you're down two more points, even if you don't get knocked out. So I think he was he was wary of his power going in. And he was much, much, much, much more wary of him after that third round. And he fought accordingly. And he used his jab well at times, and he landed some right hands. And there were times when in Ghana wasn't doing all these pressuring him. So you're going to get some credit from certain judges for for pushing the fight and fighting off your front foot and everything. But he wasn't necessarily landing a lot of punches either. But as you said earlier in the podcast, Chris, like, you know, he was furious, very mindful of his right hand. And it was a left hook in the exchange that actually knocked him down. So his left hook was his left hand was better. And then in Ghana, who himself fought from a southpaw stance, I didn't think he was terribly effective in doing it. But it does change the way fury approaches him. So it had an impact on the fight. So, you know, as happens with with everything, Chris, people are now rewriting this. I mean, by the time by the time we get to next week, you know, Francis and Ghana will be Pernell Whittaker. Francis and God was contributing to that, too, because you listen to France and got to right after the fight when he did the post by interview, which most oftentimes you get the most truthful answers. And France and God, who did not sound like a guy that thought he won the fight, maybe thought it was competitive. He knew it was competitive, but he didn't say immediately after I won, I got robbed. It was only hours later and days later that he was out there saying that the judges ripped him off. Boxing needs to do something about it. It was kind of eerily similar in a way, Keith, to what I saw and experienced after the Canelo Beevoel fight, like talking to Canelo in the ring right after Beevoel. He kind of admitted that he lost. He's like, you know, sometimes that happens is boxing. You lose a fight, you move on. Then you get back in the locker room and you've got all the people around you say, man, you won. You won that fight, man. You got robbed. And then at the press conference for Canelo, sure enough, he's like, I thought I won the fight. I thought I did enough to win the fight. The truth comes out in the immediate aftermath. Your true feelings about what happened in that fight comes out in the immediate aftermath. But I didn't get the sense that Ngannou was outraged by the decision right after the fight. But he's going to keep going with all this. Chris, the most telling post-fight interview that I saw with Francis Ngannou was ESPN's Brett Okamoto interviewed him in his pretty expansive locker room after the fight. He said to Brett Okamoto, he said, look, I knew going into this fight that if it went into a decision, I wasn't winning. He knew. So he felt like he didn't verbalize it this way, but he said that he had knock him out to win. He welcomed the boxing, right? He knew that he had to do that to win this fight. So he wasn't surprised that he lost. So maybe that in the immediate aftermath, in the ring after the fight, maybe that played into what he said. Cause he was like, yeah, I knew I had to knock this dude out, you know, and that's not fair. And that's not the way it should be, but that's reality, right? You know, he, you know, there's all this money at stake with the USIC fight. And, you know, of course, you know, like, you know, when, when you land, he landed what, five more power punches than Tyson Fury Tyson landed, like what, seven or eight more total punches. This also like, everybody's like, this settles the battle of the baddest. No, it didn't like this wasn't Gotti Ward. Like that's just, this was a competitive fight and a surprisingly competitive fight, but it wasn't a great fight by any stretch. And it certainly wasn't Whitaker Chavez in the, in relation to robberies and such. I mean, come on, you know, Paul Williams, you're not going to go down the list of, uh, with Joe Casamayo or, uh, his fight. There's many, many countless, countless, uh, but there's so many, we all, we lose track when we cover boxing, right? Cause another one pops up every few weeks. Cause you can expect at least one judge on the panel to give you absolute dog shit. Like that's what you can count. Well, seven, seven rounds to three in this case, it's probably that dog shit, right? Because he didn't, I don't think Fury won. Now some people would say, well, look, if you gave him six rounds, couldn't you find a seventh round? Well, yes and no, except for that third round, we're in Ghana, Atlanta, Fury, like seven to one. That was the one where he got knocked down every, every single round was close in terms of punches landed. Um, and look, copy box is not, you know, it's not how we score fights necessarily. It's a nice guide for it, but, um, there were some, like I even seven, three, I didn't find staggering. I didn't, I mean, I think you could've, you could've reasonably seen a pathway to seven, three, uh, 11 zip, which is a scorecard. I'm going to talk about in a couple of minutes from a fight down in Cancun this past weekend. That's something that is, uh, is an embarrassment last thing kind of on this Fury and Ghana stuff. Um, I thought going into this fight, Keith, that we were at kind of a tipping point for crossover boxing, because while the hype behind these events was great, the results of these events have been largely awful, whether at the highest level with, you know, Conor McGregor, Floyd Mayweather, which wasn't terrible because Floyd, I think he carried Connor for, for the early stages of that fight. But then you've got some of the crossover stuff with, you know, the Paul's knocking out all these MMA fighters are beating them down pretty badly. What happened with Dylan Danis and Logan Paul a couple of weeks back? Um, I thought we might've reached kind of an inflection point with a crossover boxing where if this went the way that so many other crossover events had gone, that maybe we wouldn't see these for a while. Now I think the exact opposite. Now I think you're going to see MMA guys, whether it's Sean O'Malley in the lightweight division, challenging Gervonta Davis, whether it's Conor McGregor trying to get in the ring with Canelo Alvarez. Uh, I think the door's now wide open Keith for more of these types of events because they already proved that they can be lucrative. But what France and Ghana did was at the very least say they can be competitive if they're fought between two guys that are fighting at highest level.
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"I don't know what you can do for it to be enough because you're going to lose. The skill set is too limited for mixed martial arts fighters. They need to be able to use everything into just box. You're going to lose. It's just how bad are you going to lose? And what impression is that loss going to leave on you going forward? Yeah. Somebody's got to talk to Connor about Canelo because that's a bad thing. That is not good. You know, what's the worst thing about Connor? You know, what's the worst thing about Connor and Canelo? And I'll tell you this right now, Mannix. Canelo won't carry him. Canelo will hurt him. And that is why I'm happy that Francis is fighting Tyson Fury and not Deontay Wilder. Because I felt like Tyson Fury is so good that he can stay safe enough and still do enough damage to Francis. But then we may find ourselves in round five, six, seven, and Francis may come out of this thing looking pretty good still. I don't know if Deontay Wilder has that ability because I don't know if he has the control and the skill set to be able to do that. And if you leave openings with these boxers, man, you can really find yourself getting hurt bad, like really, really bad. Yeah. Look, Tyson Fury has done that with lesser opponents. I thought in his, in one of his most recent boxing matches against Derek Chisora, I thought he carried Chisora for some of that fight. He is. It's a great point. He is capable of, you know, just boxing and being comfortable enough to stay out of danger that he can get away with being a showman for five or six rounds. But but ultimately this is, you know, and I was watching some of the press conference this week and, you know, I think ultimately Tyson's going to decide like whatever round it is that I'm going to put him on his back, that I'm going to go out there and I'm going to hurt him for Francis. Is there a downside to that? Like if he gets stopped by Tyson Fury, does any part of his reputation take a hit? I don't I don't. I think Francis is in a pretty safe situation. Honestly, you're fighting the best heavyweight boxer in the world. One of the best heavyweight boxers we've ever seen. So Tyson Fury can be a bit goofy. He's a showman. But at the end of the day, he's legit, man. He's big. He's strong. He's got tremendous skills and he hits like a monster. So I think Francis is safe unless he goes out there and he gets wiped out in the round. Then it's like, well, why did we buy this for one? And two, what made us believe that he had that ability? I believe for my money, Max, Francis Ngannou is the baddest heavyweight on the planet. In free fighting, nobody can beat him. Nobody can beat him. Not to include Tyson Fury and with a complete toolbox of skills. No one beats Francis Ngannou. But you don't get to use that. You get the boxing and going into that world. I don't think it's going to be good for him. I would love him to win. Make no mistake about it. I would love Francis to win. Nothing would make me happier. I just find it hard to see an avenue for him to get it done against a guy that's so talented. You know, the reason these guys continue to do this is in part because the MMA community, the MMA fans just support these guys unquestionably. We on there. We in there. We going to beat Tyson Fury this weekend. What do you mean? We going to beat Tyson Fury this weekend. So wait, am I done being my analyst and I can go back to being the fan? We're getting Tyson Fury. That's what we do in MMA. All right. So along those lines, what is Francis Ngannou's best strategy? Because I was saying this to somebody earlier in the week, I'm envisioning something like Peter McNeely, Mike Tyson, just like go at him, like just start swinging at him. Because if you try to outbox this guy, A, you can't do it and B, you're not equipped to go four or five, three minute rounds in that particular style. You know what the problem with Fighting Fury is? And I've noticed this in a lot of his fights. He's great at boxing you, but it's the way he leans on you and he pulls on you and he clinches and he's digging inside tight. The way that he fights in close and his size, his sheer size, when he was done with Deontay Wild in that third fight, Deontay could barely stand up because he was so exhausted of carrying Tyson Fury's weight. He's such a big guy. Francis has to just attack him. We have seen Francis do this in mixed martial arts. I feel like for him to get the job done, it's got to be fast, it's got to be furious, and it's got to be a very short fight. Because the longer they're out there, the more the skill set and the more the abilities will start to show themselves. Because if he starts to get tired, it'll get real bad for him out there against a guy like Tyson Fury, who's been in there with the best that we've seen in a long time. Beat Klitschko, beat Deontay, beat everybody, you know, Chisora and all the rest of those dudes. He's just beating them all so the skills will start to show themselves. You're so right about leaning on opponents. The very first fight that I saw Tyson fight live was when he fought Steve Cunningham in New York many years ago now. And I called that fight for NBC. And I remember Steve Cunningham put Tyson Fury on the deck in like the third or fourth round of that fight. And it looked like Cunningham had a chance. But over the next four or five rounds, Tyson just kept leaning on him and sapping the strength of his legs. And you saw that in the Cunningham fight. You saw in the two knockout wins he had against Deontay Wilder. I know, look, Tyson's not really 6'9". He's listed as 6'9". But you see Fury and Ngannou standing close. Either Tyson's 6'9", or Francis is 6'8". Like there's no... Francis is about 6'4". So Tyson's probably 6'5", 6'6". And you also wear tall shoes. I've been guilty of that over the course of my career, wearing tall shoes. And then when you get the octagon, you're a lot shorter than the guy. So you wear tall shoes. And Francis is about 6'5", 6'4". So I bet Tyson's like 6'6", 6'7". But he's huge. I mean, when he's out of camp, what's Tyson Fury weight? 310? 320? He's a massive dude. Wait, you're like what? 5'11", 6'0"? You're wearing tall shoes? Come on, man. 5'11", with my shoes on. I'm like 5'9", and a half right now, dog. It's bad. It's all bad. I'm getting shorter as I get older. So are you... You know Ngannou. Are you expecting him to come out guns blazing? Man, I'm trying. I expect him to come out there hard. I expect Francis to go out there on his shield and try to knock this dude out. Look, Tyson Fury's great. But we have seen him get hurt and put down by people. You said earlier that we saw Deontay Wilder knock him with a punch that would kill most human beings. Tyson Fury got up. So he can be hurt. He can be dropped. How does Francis get it? Francis will be as fast as anybody he's ever been in there with. Francis is so fast. He's so strong and he's so explosive and he does throw punches from very odd angles. My question is, as we get into the fight, is do those angles present openings for Tyson Fury who is a master of throwing his punches in between your punches? That's where he gets guys. A lot of times it's when they're starting to throw, Tyson goes baboom and then they go down. How does Francis get to him without leaving too many openings? Do you think any of the shine has come off Francis in the last couple of years? You have to go back to January of 2021 when he was last in a combat sport. He's still a big name and this is still getting a lot of attention, but that was almost two years ago, DC. I think with time away, that happens, right? Think about Stipe Miocic. Does that make you jump out of your seat anymore being that the last time we saw him was when Francis beat him? There was a time where I would say his name and he'd be like, oh yeah, that guy's the greatest mixed martial arts heavyweight of all time. Or John Jones when he was on the three-year layoff. You start to think about all the other things outside of competition. Francis hasn't had any issues, but right now the biggest story surrounding Francis Dangano for a long time was he was the heavyweight champ that took a chance and left the UFC. So the shine may be gone a little bit in regards to what does he look like in a combat scenario, but in terms of his name value, I think it's still good. I saw something today that was very telling. Earlier in the build to this fight, it was announced that Usic would fight against Tyson. I felt it was the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen. You're looking down the line to what's next. A real challenger is what people would say. Today, he was on Aria Ohana and he said, I thought it was disrespectful, but the people that paid the checks insisted that I do it. You still don't do it. You still don't do it if a little part of you doesn't believe it. Doesn't believe that you're safe enough to start to look down the line at a guy that is a world champion just like you undefeated all those other things. So yeah, it's I think that to me told me that maybe just maybe that shine has gone a little bit because now we got to start looking to what's next because if Francis was still as big of a star, everybody would be locked in on promoting this right now, but it might not be going as well as they anticipated. So they're kind of going, okay, let's make sure that we keep this momentum from here on to what's next by already letting people know what we got going on. You know, when Conor fought Floyd, he made a pile of money and we didn't see Conor back in UFC for some time after that. We know that Francis has this PFL deal he can fall back on, but he's going to collect so much money fighting against Tyson Fury. You know, I've wondered, do you think we see Francis back in the cage, at least in the short term? I think it'll it won't be as long as Conor. I know Francis Ngannou and I know that Francis loves to fight, so he'll want to get back in there. And how in the world can you as a guy that at one point was stuck in a desert, right, trying to get to freedom. He had nothing. Francis was when Francis got to Paris, he was living as hard a life as anyone could have ever imagined. How could you get your foot off the gas right now when it'll never be hotter? I expect we see him again. I expect we see him within a year fighting back in the mixed martial arts cage where he belongs. Listen, I always fear what lasting damage do these boxing fights have on these guys going back to four ounce gloves. I believe for my money and I love boxing. I grew up watching boxing my whole life. I still watch it religiously. I believe that boxing is more dangerous than mixed martial arts because I think when you get knocked down in MMA, they jump on you, they hit you, they hit you, the referee stopped the fight. You get knocked down in boxing 10 seconds. You kind of like in 10 seconds you can get pretty good. Then the guy goes to hitting you again. I wonder how long the damage that happens this weekend lasts on Francis, whether he wins or loses. And for my money, he's winning. So here's what it is. You said for your money, but your money, you putting your money where your mouth is there DC? A little bit of money. There's a little bit. I'm not putting the big money on him. I'm not putting the big money on him. I'm putting a little bit. I mean, you bet a little bit on Connor back in the day. Like we have MMA colored glasses on man. You're absolutely right about the damage that gets taken in boxing. The guys that wind up with long-term issues are not the guys that get knocked out in the first round. They're the guys that go 10, 11, 12 rounds consistently and fight in war. That's why when Fury walked away after he beat Dillion white, there was a part of me that believed him because he had just gone. What was it? 12, 33, 40 rounds. I'm trying to add it up with Deontay Wilder. And those were grueling rounds that he had to go through. You're right. You know, I, I don't think Fury is going to put some kind of beating on the Gondu, but I think it will be a violent ending and it won't be a one punch violent ending. It'll be one where he has to absorb some punishment before he goes down. Francis is too tough to go down with one strike. Francis and Gondu is as tough as they come in. And like I said, if you're living out in the desert with no idea of what your life looks like down the line, you can fight and you're going to fight until you can't fight no more. So Tyson's going to get Francis out of there. He's going to beat it out of him. Do you want to see boxers get into the cage? I mean, we know why these MMA fighters are going into boxing because they, they can make a boatload of money, you know, fighting one-offs in boxing. We've had the occasional boxer jumping in the cage. I was in Boston when James Toney did it. I can't unsee that. Let me tell you that I can't unsee that DC. Let me, let me be honest about that. But do you, I mean, do you want to see like an elite level boxer jump in the cage with an elite level MMA fighter? Can I be honest? I don't need to, because I know the result. I know the result. I watched Randy Couture in his forties, a guy that had stopped wrestling in his mixed martial arts fights, go immediately to something that he hadn't done for years because he knew that the guy would be so ill-equipped in that area that he could submit him. That's what would happen in most cases. You throw Francis Ngannou in there with Tyson Fury in a boxing fight, Francis will take him down and he'll submit him. It's, it, I don't really need to. I would love for the, the, the circus that surrounds it, right? But I don't really need to see it because I know the result, which honestly, I feel like I know the result when the MMA guys go to boxing. I love the pleasant surprise and I would hope for a pleasant surprise, but I don't really anticipate it. You know, it's true though. You're the MMA fans are they're, they're, they're more of them. And they're more passionate than the boxing fans. I say that boxing are passionate. They're very passionate, but they're not as many as UFC fans. And I just don't believe that the boxing fan will follow a fighter in terms of pay-per-view buys into the cage. I don't think there'll be as many buys for a crossover fight. There'll still be a lot, but I don't think there'll be as many as I think the boxing fan won't be as interested. Then I don't think they'll believe there will be true believers. They won't believe like we believe we actually believe enough to where I've already bought the pay-per-view for this weekend. I mean, I believe already, take my money. I already believe it's like, we are passionate. We are loyal and we will follow our guys to the war and hope that on the other side, our guys, the one with the hand raising, look, I expect my guy, for instance, got to make a ton of money, not what McGregor made because that was a spectacle that will never be matched, right? Worldwide tour all across the world. They're on stage in front of thousands and thousands, every single time we didn't see that when in Ghana versus Tyson Fury, but he will make a ton of that punch. Give me the one that you caught Alistair Overeem with, where he threw that uppercut from his hip and almost took his head off. He does that to Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury ain't getting up, man. I'm sorry. I'll say anything. Check out DC on Daniel Cormier TV, only on the volume sports, best MMA coverage in all of combat sports. DC, appreciate your time, man. This was great. Thanks for talking to me. You're the man, bro. Thank you for having me again. I appreciate it. Anytime. And when we come back, my conversation with Tyson Fury, what's up, everybody. I'm back with year two of my podcast, the season with Peter Schrager, Aaron Rogers. Awesome. I know this was longer than probably expected, but I always love catching up with you. So I give you a lot of latitude in each episode of the season. I'm going to take you inside and behind the scenes on the conversations that happen at the highest levels of NFL franchises. We'll bring in top GMs and coaches and give you the story behind the story that you're probably not getting anywhere else. Like Brad Holmes, the GM of the Detroit Lions, telling us about their draft room before they made that controversial Jameer Gibbs pick. 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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Your senior editor writer in what used to be the most prestigious sports magazine in sports, not anymore. You put a YouTube guy on the front cover. Thanks to you, Mannix. It wasn't, okay, it wasn't thanks to me. I did write the story, but it wasn't thanks to me. And it was an issue about the most powerful people in sports. And yes, Jake Paul qualifies as one of the most powerful people in sports. My opinion, Sergio, on the Fury-Ngannou fight is I don't care. I really don't care. I think it's kinda goofy. I think Francis Ngannou has a 0.0% chance to win. All during that press conference, fine. But all during that press conference, I'm listening to people like Bob Arum, who know better, and people like Frank Warren, who knows better, say that Ngannou is dangerous. I saw a quote from Bob Arum saying Ngannou is as dangerous as Deontay Wilder. Nonsense. If Tyson Fury stands in front of Francis Ngannou and lets him line him up and hit him with the right hand, yeah, that could be a problem for Tyson Fury. But he's not gonna do that. He's gonna jab him, he's gonna move his head, he's gonna stay out of the way of that right hand, which, by the way, is thrown with methodical speed. Like, if Deontay Wilder's right hand is a Ferrari, Francis Ngannou's right hand is like a Volkswagen. Like, it just doesn't get delivered with the same type of quick trigger that Deontay Wilder said. So, he has no chance. But I also think that the critics of this fight, specifically former boxers, some like yourself, I think the critics are just full of it, right? Because all these critics, if they were offered the exact same deal as Tyson Fury, they would take it. If Anthony Joshua was offered the exact same deal, he would take it. If Deontay Wilder was offered the exact same deal, he would take it. I saw Tony Belew call the fight a joke. Tony Belew would take it. The reason I know this, Sergio, is because as much shit as you talk about Jake Paul, if and when you are offered the chance to fight Jake Paul, you are going to take it. Why? Because there's a ton of money in that type of fight. So, I think the Fury-Ngannou fight is goofy, but I think the criticism is disingenuous at best. Here's the difference, man. If you just name two former champions that are now retired, two guys that would love a free paycheck at the end of their career, and you just named the heavyweight champion of the world, the man that should be fighting all comers, the man that should be undisputed or fighting for undisputed, and proving that he's the number one man on the planet as far as boxing goes. And no, instead we're getting Frances Ngannou, someone that stands no chance inside a boxing ring. Zero chance, minus zero chance. But it's eyeballs to the sport, like you like to say. And people are going to buy, people are going to watch. I'm going to watch. I'm certainly interested in seeing another boxer, another professional boxer knock the lights out of another MMA fighter. Yeah, bring it on. But it's only putting real boxing on the back burner and delaying what we should be getting. That's the biggest fight in boxing. Let's address that. You say it's putting real boxing on the back burner. The fight everybody wants to see is Tyson Fury against Alexander Usyk. They negotiated that fight in the spring. It didn't come together for whatever reason, so it wasn't going to happen in the fall of 2023. The other fight I'd be interested in seeing is Fury versus Anthony Joshua, but Joshua made it pretty clear early on that if a Fury fight was to happen, it wasn't going to happen until 2024. So the question then becomes, should Tyson Fury take an easy payday against Frances Ngannou, or do you really care, seriously, do you really care about Tyson Fury against Filip Perkovic? Or do you really care about Tyson Fury against Andy Ruiz? Because I don't. Neither of those fights do anything for me. They have the same appeal as Derek Chisora and Dillion White and any of the other second tier heavyweights that Tyson Fury could have fought. I want to see Fury Usyk. I want to see Fury Joshua. If I'm not seeing that, I really don't give a damn who Tyson Fury fights next.
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"And to your point real quick Gareth like we do have to give Helenius some credit for being dangerous because in the minds of many people especially in the US Robert Helenius is the guy that Deontay Wilder starts to one round. We have forgotten that look he took out Adam Kavnowski twice when Kavnowski was still undefeated and still considered a heavyweight contender. So there was still some meat on the bone of Robert Helenius even at 39 years old. Yeah, and even on six days notice because he didn't need 14 to 15th century Schloss in Finland a castle. He's probably fighting, you know as an entertainment event. I can't remember the guy's name Mika someone or other but it wasn't it was it wasn't a white-collar event, but it was an entertainment event, you know, it wasn't a true kind of high-level boxing match, but he didn't have time to overthink it. He definitely came with Fitness. He looked fantastic by the way, he wasn't flabby. He's a great guy. Isn't he Helenius anyway? Yeah, I'm sure you've had time with him. I really like the guy. Took 10 minutes to say yes to the fight all week. He kept his cool. He is an old dog as I say knows his way around the ring. He took the center of the ring. Well in the in the early rounds Joshua's a notoriously slow starter. Now, he's got a good rangefinder Helenius and he's got a very powerful right hand that you've got to respect as you say what he also did and he told me about this and Boxers always have their reasons and it is a game of chess at heavyweight level because these guys can change the course of a fight with a jab if they have to. He'd been sparring loads. He said with John Tae Wilder in all their spars. They both just came forward and he thought what I'm going to have to do against Wilder is come forward and put it on him first push the bully the blueprint that Tyson Fury set in the second fight with Wilder you put Wilder. I don't think while there's a bully I think he's a wonderful person but when he fights he has a very menacing presence and a bullying style because you know, he's got equalizers in both hands and he said I was trying to push Deontay back and he said after the fight and he played possum Wilder didn't he and he said after the fight Malik Scott and Deontay told him they've been practicing a counter left hook off the back foot for two years. Yeah, so styles make fights and the style in that fight was very come forward. He didn't come forward hard against Joshua. He met him in the middle. I didn't like you say he he deserves credit as well. But what I found concerning was Joshua not riding at all with colonious punches and punches and countering when he did come forward Joshua's moving backwards that half step backwards that Manny Stewart the late great Manny Stewart who I'm sure we both loved it was wonderful to be around who would give you an hour when you wanted five minutes. I went to his hand wrap class one day in London. No wonderful man. Wonderful man. He taught Klitschko just take one step back whenever anyone was advancing on him and Klitschko look what he did after his catastrophes early in the career that last phase. He was absolutely extraordinary till he met Tyson Fury. Here's what I think this is a style or you'll probably come to this but I think it's an evolution with Joshua rather than the rebuilding at the moment an evolution of a guy who can no longer be gung-ho because he knows what happens when he marches for it's like the experience of age. So it comes to all of us. We pick our battles. Don't we we pick our battles with our partners our wives our children our bosses our employers people in the street you pick your battles, you know, and I think he knows that he's taking more risks if he exchanges with other fighters. So it's a safety first measure and that's how I see him at the moment evolving into that. He's probably not got more than three fights left in my view. I agree and those three fights are significant and those three fights are dangerous and the first could potentially be a fight against Deontay Wilder Eddie Hearn has been teasing for weeks now months even the possibility now likelihood that Saudi Arabia comes through with the right offer to make Deontay Wilder against Anthony Joshua. They're talking about January at the moment. Let's say that fight does materialize the Anthony Joshua that you see right now. How do you assess that matchup with Joshua against Wilder this version of both men? Well, I don't think he's going to get very far with the same game plan the same strategy. Yeah, the same ideology that he and Derek James are creating that he had against Jermaine Franklin and Helenius against Deontay Wilder because Wilder if you put Helenius in his position Helenius did land some punches. I said at the time straight after the fight. I didn't think Joshua would ship too much punishment. He took a few punches out to us when you look at it afterwards that that left eye was at the left eye and the bloody nose he had you know, not look at Helenius after that fifth round thought Helenius had his best round in the fifth and after that fifth round he went back to the corner. He was hollering. He came out of the ring out of the corner after the fifth round hands held high in the air like Helenius was feeling pretty good about himself. He had a quote recently to somebody in his home country about like saying I thought I had the fight in control through six rounds. Well, I dispute that but I did think he had a pretty fair amount of success through five rounds the kind of success that if it's Deontay Wilder instead of Robert Helenius that's going to be trouble for this version of Anthony Joshua. Yeah, much fitter Helenius who'd had a he'd had an eight-week camp for Joshua. I think his fitness. Well, his explanation was afterwards was my fitness started to go and you could tell he sometimes carries the look of a worried Viking. I mean he was as he said at the beginning and I told me for talk sport on the Wednesday or the Thursday. I'm embracing Valhalla here. I'm giving it all the Nordic nightmare and he his fitness probably did tell but he had to be very focused against Joshua. The trouble is we talked from a standpoint with Joshua of I think someone we always want more from weirdly there's stellar eyes and his Olympic super heavyweight gold and his wrecking ball plundering style that was there that we want that back. It's a bit like you'll recognize this great fighters. We've followed on extraordinary nights when we can't sleep afterwards for a couple of days because the adrenaline is still around us. Never mind them those great fighters. We wait for one more great fight before the end, you know, and you just hope Joshua's got two more great fights in him and those two great fights are Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury and obviously Deontay Wilder's people are saying the same. We want two great fights in you or maybe three we want for Wilder. We want a great fight against Joshua a great fight against you sick a great fight maybe against Joe Joyce or Jilly Zhang and maybe a great fourth fight with Tyson Fury and that's that is conceivable for Deontay Wilder, by the way. He's got he's been knocked down four times now by Fury and got up every time till he was neither stopped or nailed didn't want that towel coming in. Was it seventh round in the second fight? He didn't want that towel coming in. He didn't want to get stuck. He didn't stop till he was nailed. Was it the 11th round in the third fight 11th round down and out from that right now Fury Fury was down to that's one of the I'm sorry. I know people accuse me of being very pro Fury. I'm very pro Wilder. I'm very pro Joshua. I'm pro all of them. That's one of the greatest heavyweight fights I've ever seen like I agree. I agree drama theater everything. So to come back to the main point. I make I make Wilder a very big favorite against Joshua based on what we've seen in the last two fights. I would to while I will hit you. Yeah, I would to that that straight right hand for Wilder. You could see AJ. I think AJ would be even more cautious against Deontay Wilder, you know, I thought you shouldn't be no, I don't think you know, I agree. I think you got to push him back. I didn't get to do exactly what Tyson Fury was doing but in doing that you've got to be willing to eat some shots and that's what Fury did. I mean Fury went down repeatedly in the first three fights, but he got back up and he wound up finishing those fights place the last but he didn't in the second fight. He didn't even allow Wilder right first fight and third fight. Yeah different fighters different styles, but Fury is very evasive as well. We forget how how evasive he can be and how he ties people up. Joshua doesn't tie people up in the same way. No, it's a very dangerous fight for him. But the the the the truckload of gold at the end of it if he can pull it off is extraordinary. You can't sit here as I said with Eddie Hearn earlier today, but Eddie's convinced he's his guy. They're very good mates. They've grown through the sport together. It's when you close your eyes and watch the silhouettes moving. I'd love Anthony Joshua to win because I'd love to see a triumphant Joshua then fight Tyson Fury which for us Brits would make the biggest richest British or British clash of all time. But when I close my eyes Chris which I often do with the silhouettes. I see that right hand come crashing through all that or that jab coming through putting it over Joshua's eyes shielding him and that big right hand coming through the gloves in the middle or even a left hook. Yeah, I agree and look we talked about Wilder if somehow AJ got through Wilder. I would give him very little chance against Fury. I think Fury would just look I just think look you've got to if you're going to beat Fury. You've got to engage with him. I don't think you can you can't win a boxing match against a pound-for-pound guy like Tyson Fury. You can't he's going to box circles around you've got to engage with them and make it more of a fight and based on what I've seen Gareth over the last four years. I don't know if Anthony Joshua has that fight in him anymore. I don't care what what who trains him. I just think mentally he's just not there where he's going to you know, drop his hands like he did against Dillion White and throw and get up off the canvas and engage with Vladimir Klitschko and knock him out. I just don't think that guy's there anymore. And I feel like I'm saying the same things after each and every one of Anthony Joshua's most recent fights the you sick fights the Franklin fight and now this fight he's technically changing a little bit because of who is working with him, but ultimately if he's not willing to throw three four five six punch combinations that put him in danger. He's going to have a really hard time winning at these highest of levels. I completely agree. And as I said, you can't give him no chance against Fury. But again, I make Fury a massive favorite in the fight with Joshua as well. If I had to pick around I think you know, I think in I think Deontay Wilder probably gets through within seven even if Joshua's having a good fight unless he can put it on him. And I think the same with Fury if not, maybe fewer rounds if Fury wants to fight that way, you know and wants to put it on him. The thing is with Joshua if he does hit you hard, you're probably going to go as well. You're probably going to go but it's that combination as you rightly say, you know, if he can get on the inside throat because he's got a hellacious uppercut as well as me but like you say it's you know, the most fascinating stories. I wrote on him last week leading into leading into it were how do you not overthink a new opponent in six days and also where is his mindset right now and I must have spoken to you know, we like to do pieces that are about voices. I must have spoken to 10 voices on him inside and outside his team. I don't agree with Tony Bellew and David Haye that he should take another fight before Wilder. It's just longing it out. I do think as well if if he gets a decent, if he beats Wilder of course, there's a massive Fury fight there Eddie Hearn believes even if he loses to Wilder 60 million dollars is the reported fee by the way, come on just take it. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's a great show. Everyone wants to see the fight because they want to see if Joshua can do it. Eddie reckons the Fury fight is still there for Joshua even if he loses to Wilder. So in a sense, he has nothing to lose other than a more blemished record. He's he's going to struggle to be come the number one of this era. He needs a trilogy fight with you sick. He needs to beat Fury and he needs to beat Wilder if he does that by the way, and even if he fights those two guys, he hasn't fought he will have fought all the other guys in the era and the other ones won't have I honestly think I mean, I disagree with Eddie on that one. I think if he loses to Wilder the Fury fights a wrap. I just don't I don't see how you market that if you've had lost twice to sick and you've lost to Deontay Wilder and your only wins are coming against mid-level guys like Jermaine Franklin and Robert Olenius. I don't see how you sell a fight like that to any public much less the British public. Yeah, and if Fury loses to you sick and you have two losers which you see maybe yeah, you can be a rematch. Yeah, maybe like that. He'll forget about the video game you gave him on his birthday.
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"But what did I make of it in all seriousness after this big preamble? Sorry, but it's always that way with you. I've known you too long and I'm just teasing you myself. We're seven minutes in and I'm just giving you the answer and I'm just keeping you from the from the I can see the table laid outside in the 12 guests and the three girls you kind of which one is it going to be with Mannix later? Yeah, not so much on that one. You playboy. You playboy. I'm tall, dark and handsome, mate. Come on. So Anthony Joshua for me, I'm not I'm going to give him a 7 out of 10 for Saturday night. It was a not a dark and salient moment in his career rather like Andy Ruiz was or when he got up from being knocked down by Vladimir Klitschko. It wasn't a frustrating performance like the two against Alexander Usyk, but it was cautious. I'm not going to call it gun shy even though he wasn't going into exchanges and counters. It was very cautious and very safe. The use of the jab body and head trying to find a hole in the Hellenius who's an old dog and knows tricks and knows his way around the ring and showed it with great composure in the early three rounds of that fight. Joshua's left hook was disappointing. He was only throwing it from range. He listened. What I what I liked was he listened very intently to Derek James who had really good advice. Derek stopped him being caught by the jab down the middle and some right hands. Eventually. He got Joshua to rotate and move his feet and create angles and he eventually did that in the seventh round to create a terrific angle for that right hand. Hellenius was tiring by then mentally as well as physically. I give him a 7 out of 10 because he was Joshua's never hurt in the fight. He took it on a week's notice. He took a pay cut of I believe 55%. Extraordinary really. He made 14 other boxers happy. There weren't lots of complaints on Twittersphere about the change of opponent. It takes amazing things not to overthink the situation he's in. He's under enormous pressure whenever he fights. So I think he got the job done. He wasn't spectacular in terms of going in there and busting through in a gung-ho way against Hellenius, but we haven't seen that for six years. We saw a highlight reel knockout that belongs in that loop that was 2017 and previous the whole of last week's fight week when he was a gung-ho wrecking machine, a plunderer victims. He's no longer that fighter. I'll tell you this Chris and you know him well. He's not becoming John Malkovich. He's becoming Vladimir Klitschko. He is and you used the word. Well, let me say first. I agree with you on the 7 out of 10. That would have been my scale there. I thought the jab was working for him pretty well. You use the word cautious now. What kind of drill down on that a little bit because we saw Joshua through six rounds throw 15 power punches now for some context on the Anthony Joshua early in his career, maybe at the peak of his career against the guy you named Vladimir Klitschko through three rounds in that fight. He had thrown 17 power punches. So we are seeing I believe a continuation of the reinvented Anthony Joshua the new version of Anthony Joshua, I think really emerged in earnest in the second fight against Andy Ruiz back in 2019. We saw more of that against Alexander Usyk. We saw more of that against Jermaine Franklin. This was you know, the same guy we did not see I think I have to go back and look again Gareth, but it was maybe once or twice. We saw anything more than a two punch combination. I mean it was jab then right hand or right hook or left hook up the middle the the combination puncher that we saw against Vladimir Klitschko against Dillion White the first time against Charles Martin when he won his first heavyweight title that fighters not there that fighter may never come back ever again. I guess the follow-up to what you said was are you seeing improvements in Anthony Joshua in his second fight with Derek James because we've heard a lot about that relationship. AJ's said nothing but positive things about how they've worked together. Are you seeing the fruits of that labor in Anthony Joshua? Yeah, I think to a certain extent that's why I called it cautious and not gun-shy. You're right during the broadcast myself Adam Catterill spent your Oliver and Andy Clark. We're all saying where are the combinations because it looked like as Helenius fatigued I'd say from four or five rounds almost because most people wanted Joshua to do it by five and I think and having thrown a few combinations like you say there wasn't a combination beyond two punches.
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"Alright, Corey Erdman is here, boxingscene.com, The Zone Broadcaster. You can catch Corey on Friday at Overtime Arena in Atlanta. He'll be on the mic for the Overtime Boxing Series. That's a series you can watch every Friday on The Zone. Corey, I was just talking a moment ago about the AJ Dillion-White situation. Dillion-White, of course, testing positive for a banned substance. He is out of the Anthony Joshua fight on Saturday. Robert Helenius, who was last seen in a mainstream way in the U.S. against Deontay Wilder, losing in the first round. He is now in. So give me your thoughts on everything that's transpired over the last couple of days between AJ and Dillion-White. Yeah, well, I mean, obviously I was disappointed. And, you know, it's the timing obviously isn't good for Matchroom either, because they're obviously coming off the heels of dealing with and litigating the Conor Ben situation and then having Dillion-White go through this as well. It's not a nice situation for them to be in PR wise. But it did mean that I didn't completely waste my time last week, because when I got here to Atlanta, Chris, rather than go sightseeing and do any number of things that I could have done here in Atlanta, I was finding a way to watch Finnish television so that I could watch Robert Helenius fight in a castle built in 1475. And I was thinking to myself, like, what is the purpose of this, other than feeding my own brain sickness? The purpose was that I was actually doing research for what would turn out to be the marquee fight of the very next week. So it turned out I didn't waste my time. Yeah, I said at the top of the show, I don't have much to say about the Dillion-White situation. I don't know anything about the Dillion-White situation. I don't know what he tested positive for. I don't know what his rationale or his reasoning is going to be. So I'm going to put that on a shelf for the moment. As far as AJ against Helenius goes, we've seen a lot of criticism about that fight, largely because when Helenius was last seen by a worldwide audience, he was getting nearly decapitated by Deontay Wilder in one round, knocked out by Wilder. Whoever he thought, you know, that was going to be the end of Robert Helenius. I think he even announced retirement after the fight or suggested he was going to retire after the fight. He comes back for a low-level fight, as you said, in a castle in Finland. I saw some of the pictures and visuals from that. That was interesting, to say the least. Do you have a problem with AJ taking on Robert Helenius on short notice? No. I mean, with this kind of notice, I think that Helenius is about as good as you're going to get. And like, yes, could Joshua have given more of an unknown fighter, a younger fighter, an opportunity on short notice? I suppose. But Helenius is at least a name that is known to people. And they still have to market a fight like this. And as much as we're in the know and the listeners of this show are in the know and they know what the deal is with this fight, there will be others who will see, oh, you know, former world title challenger, a guy that's fought some big names. And there is some value to that. And there's also some value in that kind of continuity, the throughline with what Deontay Wilder did to Helenius. And the obvious fact that the fight that Joshua and his team are headed towards is that fight against Deontay Wilder. So there can be some comparison there. And also, I think for Joshua, there is some value in what should be a knockout victory, because it's been a little while since there's been a bit of a palate cleanser for Anthony Joshua. Of course, he gets the win over Jermaine Franklin, but then there's the two losses to Alexander Rusic. It's been a while since he's been able to add to that highlight reel. You know, like our friends in the editing department when they're putting together promos for AJ fights, they're still using that like Rafael Zumbano love knockout when AJ was like 7-0. So there is some value, as sad as it is to say, in just getting some fresh content and something out there with AJ potentially starching someone, because I think that's what we're expecting to happen in this fight. Yeah, I think it's easy to say that AJ should have taken on someone tougher. And it's easy to say, you know, on paper you could make a fight with Filip Perkovic, who was fighting on the undercard. Or we saw Martin Bicoli out there looking for the fight. Michael Hunter will fight anybody. You saw Andy Ruiz putting his hand up again to be a late replacement for Anthony Joshua. But the reality is that very few of those fights were realistic, especially within the time frame that Matchroom had to make a fight. I mean, we saw Andy Ruiz, he couldn't make a fight with Deontay Wilder because money was a stumbling block. Filip Perkovic is undefeated. He's got an eye on a world title shot in his next fight. Would he have taken that fight on short notice? I don't know, but, you know, he's got a fight of his own on the undercard, the potential to face Usyk in his next fight. So there's that part of it. And look, I've often said that, you know, 2023 is a rebuilding year for Anthony Joshua. He's coming off back to back loss to Usyk. He's lost something like, what, three of his last five fights. He's not, he's, he's bouncing back. He's got a new trainer in Dark James. He wants to stay active with that trainer. He wants confidence builders. Like you said, he wants knockouts and he's building towards a big fight presumably against Deontay Wilder in the first quarter of 2024. So Helenius to me is fine. Like, they took it off pay per view, which is the right thing to do. They'll give refunds to people that don't want to watch AJ versus Helenius at O2 Arena. I just think we couldn't, we shouldn't have expected Anthony Joshua to replace Dillian White with anyone below or anyone above sea level. Just wasn't going to happen. He he needs something else at this stage. And Robert Helenius, even though I have some questions about whether Robert Helenius should still be fighting, because that was a catastrophic knockout he had to Deontay Wilder. But he just fought this past weekend. So he's obviously in decent shape at least.
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"Deontay Wilder probably got the last bit of credibility out of Robert Heleneus who resuscitated his career with two wins over Adam Kavnowski which were significant wins at that time. Goes into the Wilder fight. His game comes to fight but gets knocked out in the first round viciously. One punch knockout by Deontay Wilder. I think most people believe that was going to be the end of Robert Heleneus. He came back this past weekend, won a low-level fight in a castle in Finland. If you haven't seen the video of that, I encourage you to go on social media and find it. And now he's stepping in to face Anthony Joshua. It's not a great fight. Anthony Joshua should win this fight convincingly. Should win this fight by knockout if we're being honest. But I don't really care. Because I came into 2023 thinking of it as a rebuilding year for Anthony Joshua. Anthony Joshua's had a tough last few years. He lost to Andy Ruiz in 2019. He lost two fights in a row to Alexander Usyk. Neither one of them which were all that close. He has a new trainer. He's trying to rebuild for a new last chapter of his career. That's what I always viewed 2023 as. He fought Jermaine Franklin. That was the right fight. Dillion White. See, this Dillion White fight had the benefit of being the right fight for Anthony Joshua the boxer. And the right fight for Anthony Joshua the businessman. Because Dillion White has history with Anthony Joshua. They fought back in 2015. That was a fight when both those guys were prospects. He talks a lot. There's bad blood there. And he's got enough credibility with his own win over Jermaine Franklin to make him a credible opponent for Joshua. But I never thought it was a particularly dangerous fight for AJ. In fact it was the kind of fight that would take place in front of a rabid crowd in London. And AJ would win by spectacular knockout. That's how I viewed the AJ Dillion White fight. And with that fight now off, I know there are a lot of people out there saying, Hey, Andy Ruiz put his hand up again. There's a storyline there. Philip Herjavec is on the undercard. Just bump him up. Martin Bicoli is out there. Michael Hunter is out there. But asking AJ to take one of those fights on what is effectively five or six days notice, it just wasn't realistic. What's more realistic is AJ taking a fight like this, which is a low level fight, and continuing to rebuild his confidence, continuing to rebuild himself as a fighter, get another, you know, however number of rounds with Derek James in his corner, and keep building towards what should be a pretty compelling 2024. I mean, 2024 for AJ has the potential to be a massive year. Let's say this Deontay Wilder fight comes through, the one that's planned for Saudi Arabia January, February of 2024. That's a major event. Dangerous fight. Major event. It's going to make Anthony Joshua a boatload of money. Let's say Anthony Joshua gets through a Deontay Wilder fight. A showdown with Tyson Fury is massive. Whether it's in the UK or in the Middle East, that fight is going to generate Joshua tens, twenties of millions of dollars, just a boatload of cash. It just doesn't make sense to take a challenging fight, even a B-level fight like Herjavec, like Andy Ruiz, like Martin Bicoli. You've got to be cautious in situations like that, especially when they come up on short notice. So that's kind of a long way of saying, I don't really have a problem with AJ taking this Helenius fight. I think it's, I'm a little iffy on Helenius still boxing because he's been in some wars over the years, and that knockout by Deontay Wilder was vicious, but he did come back this past weekend. He got a win, third round knockout, and his team believes he's ready to go once again.
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"I think it does big numbers on pay per view buys because there'll be a lot of interest. First undisputed title fight in the four belt era, undisputed title for the first time in a long time. But it's just disappointing. And you know, far bit from our state, just take whatever money is available, but it's just a shame if we can't get this fight happened. And fights don't happen in boxing sometimes. Garrett, think about think about two what we could get this year if things play out right. Like if AJ goes out, knocks out Jermaine Franklin, knocks out dillion white, he gets his swagger back. If Tyson Fury beats usyk and then goes out this summer and let's say fights France the Ghana and becomes the guy that de mythologizes Francis and nagano because he would just smash him. But that's a high profile event that would do big numbers in the UK U.S. wherever. Like you would have both these guys going into a potential showdown in like December with close to if not all of the momentum they would have had a couple of years ago. They would have gotten it back at that point. And then that fight would again be for the undisputed championship. Only this time fury would be one with all the belts. That's kind of what I'm crossing my fingers on. They're Garrett. And it'll be the Middle East. And it will be the Middle East. It would be the Middle East. Pot of money there. Yeah. That's where that happens in my view. Don't forget Joe Joyce. Who is a player here as well. Look, fury against Joshua is that I know Joe Joyce's stock has risen enormously in the last year. And some people believe I'm probably amongst them that he could potentially give fury a harder fight than music, physically harder, fight the music. Because fury's gonna have to jab jab move, jab, jab, move, wear him down, whereas against you sick. He may well try and wear you sit down and go after him a little bit more. I think he would. Much smaller amount doesn't punch our dangerous fight still. Don't get me wrong. But he doesn't want I don't want to call yusuke a wasp, but that kind of zipping in and out and winning targeting the belly and scoring like that.
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Watch the way he goes about his work. He's still third pro fight, but at the moment he's not too concerned about getting here. And that way I have to change as he goes through the levels. But a real exceptional talent. And ice cold as well, Chris, you know, like you get people like. I don't think he's pulse went over 40 when he was sitting in a chain for him about one single fires with the same real special fighter. Yeah, no question. People definitely was relaxed before that Canelo fight. That was surprisingly so, in that sense. Anthony Joshua is going to be out here this weekend. We're into November right now. Obviously he's not going to fight in December, but are you any closer to kind of locking down a Joshua schedule in the first half of next year? Yeah, that's really a lot of the conversations when he arrives here today. You know, sitting down and mapping out that timing. Time moves quite quickly, you know, before united December and the plan really is to find in February. You know, I think the thing is with AJ, similar to canal, he's not really motivated to have tick over fights or whatever you want to call it. Every fight's dangerous, every fight requires a big training camp and a big build up. So there's a very good chance that he could face the winner of dillion white and Jermaine Franklin on November 26th, straight off the bat. There's also a chance you could fight a top 15 garlic Otto waldens been mentioned Philip Herbert, you know, these kind of guys. You know, we have had a reply now from an August email from Shelley finkel to say that we would be happy to discuss that part, which is encouraging, whether he goes straight into a world of file, has one first, probably the latter, but that's definitely a fight for 2023. So it's just a case now a really pinning out in and down that training camp and determine in a date and we expect that to happen in the next week. It has the landscape for wilder changed enough to make you more confident that if I could get done because I got a money years ago. I think that bearing in mind the pay per view results from the last 5. I think it's going to be difficult for the onset to lend the kind of deal that he would want from boxing now outside of an AJ file or one of those who 6 or furies and we won that fight as well. It's a tremendous fight at the box. I mean, Beyoncé is a very dangerous fight.
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Now for this week's picks brought to you by our friends over at FanDuel. And this week, no surprise, I am focused on the big one. Tyson Fury against dillion white WBC heavyweight championship on the line over in the UK, more than 90,000 fans expected at Wembley. This is going to be a big event. Now, Tyson Fury is the favorite and it's easy to see why. He is coming off back to back spectacular wins over Deontay while they're whereas dilly and white is just a couple of fights removed from getting knocked out by Alexander pavek. So I think your money is safe, betting on fury. I think he has an advantage over white in virtually every possible way. He's the better boxer. He's got, I think, more overall power. He is going to have so many size and physical advantages in this flight. He has proved to be very good at using them. So fury, even at -600, is a pretty safe bet to take on that. And now, method of victory, I think is interesting. This is where I think you can win some money. Most people are expecting this fight to end one way or the other by knockout. Fury, he just knocked out wilder twice. Dillion white, he has got great power in that overhand left. But I think this is going to be more of a boxing match. I don't think you're going to see Tyson Fury be as aggressive as he was against Deontay. I think you're going to see more of the fury that we saw in the first fight against wilder. Or we saw during his first career defining win against Vladimir Klitschko, I think he's going to be more of a boxer in this one. And if that's the case, I can see this fight ending in a 9 three ten to two type of decision. If you read by points, is plus two 40 according to FanDuel and that, I think, is a bet that you should jump on. So take fury to win. He's a favorite. He got bet big to make that worth your while, but the real bet I think is fury by decision. Those are my picks, brought to you by FanDuel. That's it for this week's episode my thanks to Mike coppinger and Canelo Álvarez for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts. And next week, we will be in New York for the Katy Taylor Amanda Serrano fight the biggest fight in women's boxing history will.
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"With Chris Manning. How's somebody punch him in the face? Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Hosted by SI's Chris mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mannix. All right, it's a big fight weekend over in the UK. The heavyweight championship on the line Tyson Fury going up against dillion white. A lot of other things happening in boxing. For that, we're gonna go over to the UK to one of my favorite boxing insiders out there. Mike Carpenter, the boxing insider over at ESPN is going to be covering the fury white fight for ESPN, which can be seen here in the U.S. on ESPN+ pay per view. Mike, how was your early experience over in the UK? Great. Fans here are amazing. This is my third fight in London. I also covered the Anthony Joshua Alexander probe in fight in 2018. I Wembley, which I know you were on the broadcast for for the zone. And then again, the new year later, when Josh Taylor Ford Regis program at the O2. But this one feels a bit different so far already. You know, we've all heard that he heard bastardizing furious a is not a star here. I mean, I think the proof is in the pudding. Fury with his, you know, I think it's four fights in the U.S. has really transformed himself into a mega star over here. With those two big wins over Deontay Wilder courses charismatic personality and they're going to have about 94,000 plus on Saturday and I mean just the presser yesterday was a madhouse. Boxing is just so much different over here as you know. It's treated as a major sport and not very, very much so in the U.S. except on rare occasion. What do you attribute that to the ticket sales? Like you said, the 94,000 plus that are going to be at Wembley because I don't think I'm sure you agree that I don't think before Tyson Fury made his way to the U.S. to have the fights against wilder. I don't think he does this number in the UK three or four years ago. I agree with you. I think it's a combination of factors. I think you have to be Anthony Joshua a lot of credit. Anthony Joshua being on the UK boxing scene. I think lifts fury as well..
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"It's not that's not a thing but before that he was doing everything possible to get that to t to earn that that world He's got a great resume and heavyweight. He's fought some of the best and the reason like he's the reason he lost that opportunity because he fought a real guy and alexander pevec and not a heavyweights or fighting real guys. So i give dillion white credit for that too. So i'd like to see that happen in the first quarter of two thousand dollars. I think it will happen. I think fury who has talked publicly about that fight in the past even before. Anthony joshua lost usak. I think fear would go for. It's a big fight as we said in the uk. And i think that's that's likely to happen. And they wanna bring tyson fury back to the uk at some point. He's bigger should star star now than he was before clearly after this trilogy with the auntie wilder he hasn't fought in the uk and three and a half years or so. So i mean he's you know he's he's the best heavyweight in the world now. He's certainly the best heavyweight in england heavyweight worldwide and. I think he would like to fight back home. You know manchester london wherever And dillion white fight would be a big fight back there and and you know i'm not trying to come down on billion white but you know he was once upon a time deserve the title shot and it's unfortunate and unfair to him that he did not get it when he was supposed to get it. But i just like people continuing to harp on this as if what happened in the first alexander can fight didn't happen it's just very annoying. I agree i agree. It's such a big fight in the uk that i think just e regardless of mandatory status make the fight like you know put a while into position to find the undercard give them a chance to furniture of title down the line. It's not perfect. But i'd like to see white against fury early next year. Let's talk for a second about the welterweight division. Back in august you're daynuss. Goss picked up the biggest win of his career knocking off manny paquito retiring at least for now manny paki out and winning the full version retaining the full version of the wba's welterweight out of the super version of the welter weight title. In the aftermath of that gus understandably had hoped to take a unification fight against arrow spitz. That would be a incredibly meaningful fight course but also bring a big payday for you. Dana gus as well the wba which is efforting to combine its titles eliminate the interim and the regulars and all the stuff that has plagued it over the last five or ten years. They said no. No no you've got to participate in this box off. I up against donnie. Onus young fighter who is thirteen at this point it's supposed to take place at some point before the end of the calendar..
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Important fight of anthony joshua's career if he doesn't win this fight against sick. It's a pretty significant rebuilt after that trying to get back to that highest level all right. Let's talk about another heavyweight. Dillion white has withdrawn from his scheduled october. Thirtieth fight against auto wallin white versus wallin was supposed to determine the next mandatory challenger for tyson fury as we speak dillion. White has the bbc's interim title and if he had won against wallin he would have moved on to face tyson fury for the full title with the wbz. There've been some questions. Kief fair ones. I think about just how injured dillion white is. Did he look at ottawa. Being too big a risk going into a potential heavyweight championship fight against tyson fury. Regardless what's your take on how this should play out next wallin's promoters his management team. There have been very public with their insistence that despite needs to be rescheduled two questions. Do you think it will be rescheduled. And should it be rescheduled. No and yes because dmitry salita has a good point you know they trained for this fight. They were going to be paid handsomely to go over there. I actually thought while lean had a very good chance as as many other people did to beat dilly and white Tyson fury told me a couple of weeks ago when we were in las vegas about that fight. Specifically he said he favoured ottawa. Lean to win. He's spent twelve rounds in the ring and knows he's a tough guy He expected him to beat dylan So a lotta people were thinking that the the thing that never made sense to me chris. I've been understand why they scheduled this fight to begin with because if you're dealing in white now he of course he wanted to to make a good payday and the and the fight would have would have been a big fight in the uk and everything. So maybe he couldn't just get in there with a with a c. level heavyweight and get paid when he wanted to get paid but excuse me i viewed it as a risky kind of a a very high risk low reward type of fight for him because i again i thought it was one that he probably would have lost and then of course. You're not the mandatory thing by the way just drives me crazy. The whole thing drives me crazy. Because i still do not understand how you get knocked unconscious and then continue claiming that you're the mandatory challenger. Now he went and cleaned up his mess. He he dominated alexander prevention You know in in the rematch in an avenged his loss..
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"dillion white" Discussed on Wendell's World & Sports
"Not seeing while all of a sudden. Fury lives in henderson nevada. So what are we seeing more of this guy. Why now is he going to disappear. They did the same ship with anthony joshua and it just knocked out klitschko man. That motherfucker in the next wind should have been on every single american. Tv show that there is everything that they could have got him on. They should have been on ethnic. Josh was should have been on good looking cat. Big strong nice guy speaks well chris. Charismatic get people's appetite. Whetted for someone like this. Get anthony joshua known tyson. Fury should be more known than he is right now but guess what the mental disappear again except for being on the short stint with the wwe. What else has he done to bring attention to the non boxing fans who folded them that fury that did not want to do that is because of the mental health. Some of the things that he went through the first time that he's a little bit leery to get back into that lifestyle. And the might you know unleash some new demons. What's what's going on with that. But man we need to see some more. If the man isn't fighting he should be out there doing something and he's not doing anything so you know. What opportunities does he have to elevate the status as being a public figure that transcends the sport will number one. You need a awesome opponent and while dylan whiten out a wallin which those to fight in october thirtieth. The winter's going to face tyson fury. That doesn't that doesn't excite the average sports fan the my excite boxing fans especially but dillion white. Who's been a guy who should have been fighting for the championship for years. But he's been screwed one way or the other out a wolland already faith theory once in nearly got a win after opening up. A huge cut on Fury's eyebrow but if you remember that that really wasn't a big shingling ding ding in terms of interest in in of the the pay off in terms of momentum towards boxing in that regard. So what dillion whites gonna win or other wallin's gonna win. That's going to be tyson fury. Next opponent. that the post to elevate the sport that's supposed to get non boxing fans interested in that possible contenders. I mean you could be what alexander who said anthony joshua winter. Let's not gonna inspire anybody. Rather have that fight over in europe than in the states if you want more people carrying about that fight especially use sex wince which if joshua's going to try to box a boxer then congratulations who set. You're going to be winning. you know. Again i'll concede the damage done with the opportunity if joshua fury who have gotten together and fought this year when they had the chance. But who else is he gonna fight. Indie release joseph parker lewis. Ot's joe joyce those names aren't going to elicit any type of who. Yeah the world's stop the watch this so maybe if joshua usak then you know you've got to guide british guys and actually going to be fighting for something. The undisputed heavyweight championship of the world never should over in london for the ninety seven..
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"dillion white" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"So the way i would say to. Aj debate seconds. Get straight on him. All attack at the body utilizes trump again. All you have to have big balls to to do that. Aj doesn't help the stamina to do that solving. Because if he does a sustained attack tehran's it needs four to recuperate. Ed it could be entrusted. Everyone's like a sex small puncture and all social hall at the jobs. The the people triple me moshe to make career are the light non punches for canadian champion guy called method hijack by two thousand and eleven. And only i'd like five knockouts. Our sixteen wins guests wall. I got knocked over eastern state coming. I'd like cutting edge six knockouts in twenty seven wins. I guess well. I hit the converse. So when you address right east guys heavyweights especially. They're all big guys two hundred pounds role big. It can hurt. You won't take we're saying with. Aj before he will quit in a second. If he's under the pressure he's like a a cheap coaltion get from a shop. Just paul's apothecary. The pressure amounts what happens. Sometimes you know you could say dot here. Does it cost me like maybe oh no kidding no kidding you gotta be. You gotta be rooting for them. I'm rooting for Of rooting for you to call you. But you said something. I read something you said recently about like you'll beat while they're then fight dillion white before. Aj why would you never do that. Right like what you want to pay day man like that. Big number there all daryl. Big paydays on this level to be honest with well one's one's enormous though one book you may as well collect coins before. I'm those well keep going. I want to keep active. And we'll see. Sarah got fruit as the one thing i've learned about. Boxing is you can never count your chickens before they watch god one time victory which is the most important thing and then you could do all the all the fights while he's very dangerous Mom a mold the rest of making and he's always dot knockout power. I am very confident. Beaten by knockout. But never come to the rest of my punch like wild so you have to take embarrassed concentrate fall however long. Were not ring and get the job done then. I can figure out what i'm gonna do. I'd like to fight in december. If if i'm able to if it's like i think drew three and whatever up to find december but tila sky's own well challenge added against auto wally. Who's must over paul..
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