20 Episode results for "Dili"

The Lie Of Deserving To Fail

Jamesone Podcast

02:42 min | 2 years ago

The Lie Of Deserving To Fail

"Welcome to James one podcast. Ideally, message perseverance the versity. I'm host Ricky. I deserve the fail. Deserve every downfall. Every rejection every wrongdoing. Deserve to be punished. Deserved to be in pain. Deserve to have every possible thing in life happened to me. Look at me have no redeeming quality. Try and try and yet I continued to be pushed to the back of the line. It'd be on never get ahead in life. Only I have myself to blame bouquets over have goals or plans. Always has a way to make sure I failed. We had this dialogue to yourself before. I have is the worst possible conclusion to have failure is imperative for growth adversity is imperative for strength failure shortcomings. Yes. Failures hard pill to swallow. But we don't deserve to fail. Fail you. However, it's not a bad thing. It's a learning experience taking shortcuts ovoid failure only make the fall harder. Stay humble, remember. We're not alone in being disappointed, but never tell you. So that you deserve to fail. Thank you for listening, fill free. Visit the website James or to find off each episode into content show. Thank you again into tomorrow for another Dili, message perseverance through.

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Falling For What Feels Right

Jamesone Podcast

03:29 min | 2 years ago

Falling For What Feels Right

"Welcome to the James one podcast. Ideally, message perseverance though adversity. I'm host Ricky. Proverbs chapter one. I three states prudence to simple knowledge indiscretion to the young. Our society falls victim to accepting. What feels right? Be imprudent means to show care and offer the feature a society is infatuated with proving their worth and their importance because of our short-sighted thinking short victories. We have no consideration for the long-term vacations of our actions. But don't want to seem weak or Natta quit. So we risk everything to establish our influence and impact. Consideration for the future. Wisdom in our younger years is boring. Is remarkable. It's safe hot will truly make a Mark or stay silent. There's nothing more impactful and observing it using our time and effort officially thoughtfully. We don't need to be highly educated to make a true impact and someone's life. Young in mind and simple. Pence ity to fall for what feels right? Our interpretation for what's good but understand that growth in wisdom. Only comes from adversity and humility. Holding onto our limited perceptions benefits. No one. True, peace joy and happiness ability to dismiss what feels right? Appreciate what is right. What does that mean? It means that we must accept reality. And discover own path to self preservation. That will fills rate from what others experienced. We're all unique. Don't degrade your individuality. The simple should resist group groupthink to appease others. The young show resist it obtain to disregard, wisdom and discretion to feign independence. We should appreciate positive sage Innis and learning not create false realities. Thank you for listening. Visit a website James one dot or the final future episode and the content of show then you're getting tune in next time for another Dili message third.

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Infatuation With Another Person

Jamesone Podcast

02:49 min | 2 years ago

Infatuation With Another Person

"Welcome to James one podcast. Ideally, message perseverance the adversity. I'm host Ricky. And life were blunt what we think will complete us. This is a specially Troon relationships become a namrd with a person we feel will make us complete bun reality have nothing in common. Create logical scenarios of connected, and we do everything possible to seek approval for the truth. Is we demean ourselves by placating in this regarding actual needs. Extremely hard to be wise. Impatient. When our particular needs of wholeness entry happiness are not met. We wonder when our opportunity will come when our life was filled the true purpose. We're dependent upon for fashion and comfort. Fortunately, for us to be a benefit to someone else to be a benefit to ourselves. Correctional and up to toots and efficiency is in faults is embarrassing discouraging. It would be much easier. If someone else fixed for us. But that's not how life works. It's a hard pill to swallow. But patients and self examination is the only way control. It be a great opinion are obsession, selfishness and pursuit of someone who we think will fix us never work without a true self examination being a better you I practice discipline and righteousness. Thank you for listening. Visit the website at James or defied all future episodes and the content of show. Thank you again in tune in next time for another Dili message of perseverance to it versity.

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Digitally Connected, Physically Isolated

Jamesone Podcast

02:32 min | 2 years ago

Digitally Connected, Physically Isolated

"Welcome to the Janes one podcast daily message of perseverance though. Adversity. I'm your host Ricky. We are connected more than ever in a digital world have many social media platforms where we communicate with others, express our feelings and thoughts. But physically, we're more lonely than ever million suffer from depression and anxiety in a lot of it has to do with the effects of loneliness when our body. Loneliness rejection makes us feel as if it's physical pain along with emotional distress. While we can connect with people align, nothing replaces the physical connection with a human being. Social media gives the allusion of an easier way to connect or biologically our feelings and emotions drastically changed from our human interactions and Billy to fill in connect. It's important, understand the interactions, all social media. Can I replace human connection. Social media hits give us a quick shot of a journal in a momentary happiness. Nothing beats our ability to fill the touch into garner since connection. Exactly can hinder our -bility to connect, but our pursuit of connection will make us a healthier happier person. Thank you. Listening, visit a website. James one dot org. Define all future episodes into contact show. Thank you again and tune in tomorrow for another Dili message perseverance to adversity. Progressive presents get talked inspiration to help you do insurance stuff. Okay. Time out, you're gonna let your budget be the boss of you. Take control with progressive name your price tool. Tell us what you want to pay for car insurance, and we'll help you find options that fit your budget. Here's the music to get you pooped down down down down. I hear your budget laughing at you. Oh, wait. That's just those kids laughing at me. Casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law.

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Life & Death: Facing Loss

Daily Breath with Deepak Chopra

05:36 min | 1 year ago

Life & Death: Facing Loss

"Today. We are supported by hellofresh. Thank you for joining me today. Today. We discussed the other side of death. Loss happens to us in every moment of experience. So if I asked you what happened yesterday, it's lost involve still would happen to five minutes ago. It's lost what happened to your childhood. It's gone doesn't exist. What happens to my woods, by the time you get them? They don't exist, the losses actually a way to have new experiences, otherwise you'd be a biological robot. Recycling. The same experience forever. And I think that would be boring, so it has lost that makes opportunity possible. Now, of course, people do talk about the loss of their parents of a sibling of a loved one, and that fields very, very hurtful or we feel very damaged. When we experienced that the Buddha was asked about that mother, went to the Buddha, and she had lost her son, which is obviously a big tragedy. And, and the toll this woman to go to every house in her neighborhood, and osc. The first person that opened the door if they'd suffered a grievous loss that made them feel the way, she was feeling. With us had find me one exception, and she tried very hard. But came back with no example of somebody who had not had a painful loss. The only reason why we feel very damaged. When we experience a painful loss, is because you think you own them or somehow the belong to you. They don't belong to you. They're part of you. They're part of your consciousness and the more you make them part of your consciousness, even ofter. They don't exist in physical form. The more love you experience. Because love is in consciousness. Love is just seeing your own self in another person, just like beauties seeing your own staff in an object, when you see yourself in object be it flower or be it a rock. That's also because the same south physi- him awareness, that appears as the other, what does Las teach us. Hey, teaches us acceptance of reality, and once we accept reality, then we also recognize. Is that reality is always fresh because hit is connected to that which we call loss. This has been a sobering conversation today, but also a healthy one to have my goal here is to bring you information and ideas to build a healthy life, too key parts to my healthy life, a synchronised and spontaneity, both of which are part of the hellofresh experience who's produce is seasonal and who's meal plan allows you to go out of your comfort zone and try something new, please consider going to hellofresh dot com slash daily breath, eighty and type in Dili breath, eighty four eighty dollars off, if first month of hellofresh. That's hellofresh dot com slash daily breath, eighty with code daily breath, eighty for twenty dollars off your first for boxes. Thank you for your time. Today, we spoke about Las, but how that is actually the foundation to create to live and to love. We pause here today. And I encourage you to reflect on these new ways of looking at death aging and loss tomorrow, we will meditate once again, right here to get.

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Jony Ive Leaves Apple - DTH

Daily Tech Headlines

04:39 min | 1 year ago

Jony Ive Leaves Apple - DTH

"And then. The daily tech headlines for Friday June twenty eighth twenty nineteen. I'm rich struggling. Apple announced that it's head of design, Johnny, I is leaving the company, I've planned to start his own design firm called love from which will have apple as a client going forward. VP of industrial design Evans, Hanky and VP of human interface. Design Allen die will report directly to see. Oh, Jeff Williams. Bloomberg reported Thursday that bylines on research papers indicate why employs worked on at least ten research projects alongside Chinese armed forces personnel over the last decade, including projects related to radio communications and artificial intelligence. A spokesman told Reuters while way is not aware of its employees publishing research papers in their individual capacity writers also reports that an order from the competition commission of India found that Google's Android imposed unfair conditions on manufacturers by requiring pre installation of Google's proprietary apps. This intern reduced the incentive of manufacturers to develop and sell devices running alternate Android versions, counterpoint research estimates in ninety nine percent of smartphones sold in India run Android, the dates from April sixteenth and calls for a wider probe by the CI, which should be completed by mid September. The New York Times has a report on a company called Alphonso that uses phone microphones to collect on what TV shows people are watching through their microphone the software runs inside game apps. That request permission to access the microphone this affects apps in Google play. An apples apps store Alfonzo does outline the collection of data in its privacy policy and does follow proper procedures to request Mike access. Philip, you now offers bluetooth built into its eight nineteen bulbs and be are thirty flood light bulbs, which means they don't require the sixty dollar hub and can be controlled by a smartphone. Bluetooth has much shorter range. Ziggy which connects to the hub so you can only get about thirty feet away and can't control them remotely otherwise. They can be controlled with Amazon, and Google assistant. But won't work with home kit, unless you get the hub, however, they do include Ziggy, so they can be upgraded to a hub at a later date prices for the bluetooth bulbs are fifty dollars for a white bulb twenty five dollars for a white ambience bulb and fifty dollar for a colorful. Mozilla Firefox preview a pilot of its new Android, browser and powered by Mozilla gecko view engine it cetera place. The current fire FOX Android app. This fall, but developers can download it from Google play. Now Mozilla also put its privacy and performance based fire FOX focus for Andhra development on hold, and is instead adding fire FOX focus functionality to androids. Main fire, FOX up. Apple will begin selling the one drop blood glucose monitor. It's like retail stores that have takes blood glucose readings and six to the health apps on iphone or apple watch the device will sell for sixty nine thousand ninety five cents at apple stores and includes a year of coaching from a certified, diabetes educator, one drop devices have previously been available through Apple's online stores. Google cloud CEO. Thomas. Curious. Announce that alphabets enterprise security. Subsidiary chronicle will be rolled into Google cloud in the coming weeks with full integration of features coming in the fall chronicle was spun out of Google x twenty eighteen and released its first product, the pet abide scale security, telemetry backstory, platform back in March. Volkswagen launched we share an on-demand all electric carbon-free fleets? The launch is limited to Berlin with plans at Prague and Hamburg in twenty twenty and offers a fleet of fifteen hundred Volkswagen eagle cars to customers cars can be picked up and parked wherever public parking is available with we share handling charging as needed. No plans are set to incentivize drivers to charge up their own vehicles, at least part of the launch VW plans to add five hundred. Yup. Electric city cars to its fleet by twenty twenty and eventually at its upcoming ide- three electric car once released and finally obeyed of Microsoft's Cortana virtual assistant appeared in the Windows Store, this will allow Cortana updated separately from windows ten as Microsoft attempts to add features at faster pace, Microsoft has changed is access in windows. Ten recently breaking out the assistant from the start menu in the windows. Ten may twenty nineteen update. Remember for discussion of tech news of the day, such got new show and technique show dot com and remember to rate and review, the tech headlines wherever you get your podcast listening. We'll talk to you next time and from all of here at Dili's headlines. Remember have a super sparkly day.

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9 - Borders & Boxes: The Fight for Immigration Justice (w/ Viridiana Martinez & Brianna Rennix)

Hear the Bern

45:18 min | 1 year ago

9 - Borders & Boxes: The Fight for Immigration Justice (w/ Viridiana Martinez & Brianna Rennix)

"Secrets secrets are no fun secret secrets hurt. Someone. Thank you. You might recognize this as a line from the office. A funny scene not intended to be a spark for any real rumination, but it came to mind as I thought about all the stories I heard this week when interviewing people for this special immigration episode, the thing that really struck me about the stories. I heard about DACA, recipients asylum, seekers, and the attorneys who worked to secure them rights is the power of the truth. When the threat of deportation hangs over your head, you live a life lift secrets you bond with friends throughout high school. But by senior year, you find yourself struggling to make excuses for why you still don't have a driver's license. The reason it's illegal and your state for undocumented people to have one driving, without a driver license, always with the fear, then you're going to get below over and loose UCAR. Maybe even go to prison your. Your friends are all applying to college, but you don't despite being smart ambitious outgoing you can come up with excuses, but the secret forces you to paint a version of yourself. That's just well a shadow of who you truly are the first person. I actually came out to as undocumented was my guidance counselor, and he looked at me and decide, you know, I don't I don't know what to do. I don't know how to help you. And so I was laughed at seventeen eighteen trying to figure out what to do after high school. When I felt like everyone was doing what I wanted to do. And I felt like I had done everything. Right. And I was just getting kind of screwed over just last week, CNN reported that a private processing center, and they'll Hasso designed to hold one hundred twenty five people with secretly holding nine hundred. A cell designed to hold a maximum of twelve people. Held seventy six. A mother with a maximum capacity at eighth health one. A cell designed to thirty five people held one hundred and fifty five. Detainees unable to access showers or cleaned clothing remains soiled for weeks. People were seen standing on toilets, just to get breathing room. This has been going on to nearly a month at least but as long as no one knew. We keep secrets to protect ourselves from deportation from judgment, but there's an incredible amount of power and the truth. You come out out of survival, you kind of, don't really have a choice you kind of start hitting walls. And after a while you have to get the courage to say it to somebody and for me, I had said it to that guidance counselor that I was undocumented. But then I didn't really tell anybody until after high school when I started speaking out and feeling that I couldn't just sit on the sidelines while all of these other undocumented, young people were getting arrested in from the White House, and we're protesting at the capital, and we're making the president of the United States make an executive action. Like, that's how powerful we were and I was powerless, because I wasn't doing anything. So I decided a year after Dhaka came out at one of the democratic seek. Committee meetings, I was going to tell my story in a room of, like two hundred white progressive people. That, like I was scared of because my image of a white older person was that they would hate me, and, but I got a really positive response. And it was like a weight was lifted almost I could finally be myself because not telling the truth and hiding for so long makes you feel like you should be ashamed of the person that you are my most vivid memory was when I was applying for college, and I realized on almost undocumented and the mini of struggle Shan obstacles on a half to overcome us undocumented student with my goal to graduate from college. And even after all of the have you were able to overcome, we'll self obstacles maybe graduating from college. There was no particular to get a job or anything like that. So coming out and telling them, you were undocumented was almost something then you had to do to be able to overcome these obstacles, because if you're going to go and explain to your counselor to your future employer than you were looking for a job. You have to explain UC to Asian. And even when you got pay when you receive a paycheck, I didn't have a Bank account because I didn't have a social security. I couldn't open a Bank account. So I had these, these paper that I may money now how it was going to get the money and being able to spend anything's than I need it the voices. You just heard where Balenciaga Latino press secretary for the brainy campaign in Louis L counter Spanish, digital coordinator. They are two of at least four Dhaka recipients, working here in H Q. Not everyone in the media reacted well to the campaign plane documents biens don't read the comments under the Breitbart, article about balloon, for instance. But team Bernie is pretty proud to be working for a candidate whose campaign is an extension of his values. So what we are going to do. Not only pass comprehensive immigration reform and a path towards citizenship. We are going to provide immediate legal status for the one point eight million young people in the DACA program. Let us be Cleal bringing undocumented berkers out of the shadows, and giving them the basic workplace and labor protections that all workers are entitled to God help every worker in America. It makes certain that corporations and unscrupulous employers cannot exploit a subset of the workforce. Phil undercut the entire labor market. That was Bernie big immigration speech last week. And this is a clip from powerful video, elevating the voices of immigrant campaign staffers, including linen. Louise. And also, I lean you might remember at the type ones, I bet it from episode to the healthcare episode immediately put on deportation proceedings. My work permit was canceled. I could not work. Couldn't provide for my now. Disabled parents, I'll we wanted to do to be reunited with my father who had fled Mexico because he feared for his life. He had been kidnapped and be in and extorted. And they told him that if he didn't pay up, he was going to be killed for his political activities. I had a realization where there is real moments throughout my life. Where am I in tire family could be deported? And I would be left alone. It was a very real thing to have to hide that you were undocumented or in some cases, even you were an immigrant. Those stories are just a microcosm. Of all the immigration stories out there. And on this episode of here, the burn, we wanted not only tell them, but to help explain some part of what's going on with this immigration crisis into talk to some of the people helping to solve it. This is here. The burn a podcast about the people ideas and politics that are driving Bernie Sanders, twenty twenty campaign in the movement to secure a dignified life for everyone living in this country. My name is Briana -joyed gray coming to you from campaign headquarters in Washington, DC this week. In addition to speaking to Louise's and balloon, I interviewed veridian Martinez, a recipient an activist who in two thousand and twelve infiltrated detention center. But getting yourself detained an order to help those on the inside. I also spoke to immigration attorney and writer brianna Renick's, who works at Dili detention center in south Texas facility infamous for hasn't families with children brianna walked us through the flawed asylum process, and possible paths for reform. Activists have already spent years urging the government to fix this mess in two thousand twelve President Obama responded to this pressure by implementing the deferred action for childhood arrivals policy known as Dhaka crucially. This was an executive action, not a new law, and it did not provide a path to citizenship, for the dreamers that it spared temporarily from the threat of deportation that meant that dreamers continued living in a sort of halfway state, my their permanent residence, nor undocumented immigrants and since DACA, wasn't a law future. Administrations could change the policy by executive action just as Obama had enacted. It even with all those caveats DACA was transformative for people like balloon and Louis. So I actually had just graduated from high school. I was living in Santan valley, Arizona's, which is right next to Florence Zona were one of the big. Immigrant detention centers in federal prisons is and I was at home with my mom and we turned on the, the news and I just heard her like screaming. Lettered, and I was like, what is happening? And she was like bullet. Oh my God. Like the president just made this executive action. It means that you're going to be safe. You know, you're going to be finally able to go to college and get a job and do all of these things that you were so devastated that you weren't going to be able to do when you graduated high school a month ago. So everything happened so quickly. But I just remember the joy that it brought not even knowing that behind the scenes, there were thousands of undocumented youth the actually made the action happen. And it showed you know how unpolitical stabby I was in the beginning because because I didn't know what it meant. I just we all thought that it was just gonna be like citizenship, but it actually really wasn't for. Berlin. Daca was also the beginning of her life as an activist the dock announcement by President Obama. I felt like that's where like the political activists bolan was. Born, it was almost like I turn, I started developing into like the person I was actually supposed to be. And sometimes, I think that, that's what struggle is right. Sometimes you have to go through these things to become the person that you're supposed to be even though no one should go through injustices. Like, sometimes I feel like the universe kind of, does it for us in that way. It's a story I heard a gun and again, from author recipients, but coming out as a doc of Fithian wasn't powering, it was just one of the most empowering on experiences of my entire activism work, because it was it was when we saw firsthand, what we could do if we faced a system, and we called it's bluff, but was immigration activist for Diana Martinez. I met her in March when I sat down next to her at south by southwest. My intercept colleague Rodrigo had chosen a film for us to watch called the infiltrators and I didn't know much about it just that it had something to do with the tension centers. So I leaned over to the woman to my left just making conversation and was like, hey, do you know anything about this film turns out, she was in it embarrassing for me? But ultimately bit spa in two thousand. Twelve Verdy Ana and a group of other undocumented. Millennials started the national immigrant youth alliance group to advocate for immigrant rights by confronting immigration authorities, but their advocacy notched up a level when Muhammad the group's founder was contacted by the son of detained man named Claudia house trying to reach out to other organizations. They were all, all, there's nothing we can do you can help speed up to do patient. But, like, we can't look it Claudia had been taken to Browder detention center. A place for low risk nonviolent detainees in two thousand eleven President Obama's is director, John Morton issued a memo calling them, ice attorneys, and employees to refrain from pursuing non-citizens with close family educational military or other ties to the US into instead, focus on people who pose a serious risk to public safety. Chess. And that's what we use. Basically, to say you guys are saying that, that low priority cases should be should be favorably prosecuted. Which means like releasing the so wiring to reviewing these cases so that these people were all released when you know what was happening? Is that entire intention centers existed, that held those kinds of people civilian our team hatched a plan? One other team members a young man. They Marco with going to get himself detained intentionally so that he could help Claudio access resources on the outside, but could enable him to draw attention to his case and get free. When the team discovered there was also a women's side to the detention center. They decided to infiltrate there as well this time with variety, Ana brawler was the perfect slow any to try out it. You know when you look at Brown versus like some of the others attentions on somebody told me look. Straight up like a prison. I don't know if you've been to, but, like they have the whole wiring in, like they look like a straight up prison, whereas Broward Roure, literally. I mean you've seen the Moton Roure straight up looks like like a hotel the outside. Right. Caller like palm trees. Yeah, it was a perfect place for us to do our experiment. But ironically when Berina I tried to get detained well, they didn't believe her the first time I'm wearing this glue summer. Your hair is done and highlighted all Q. Like she's a cute girl, you know. Well, how would you at the time about twenty seven ish? Twenty six twenty six. Yeah. So what happened when you presented yourself looking like you just walked off the pages of Marie Claire the agent, the border patrol agent was, like who are you, what do you want? Then I saw you get out of. You know, I just like ho. Just like rubbing my password upset, you know what I'm leaving. I just walked out of there, and then I ran, and then I call my friends, we're in the car. And unlike y'all they saw us, okay? So then then trial to how did you dress? And what was different trial, too ended up wearing like a shirt like a button, shirk over a t shirt and then just like some tennis shoes? And then my hair was like an opponent tail. And like I think maybe like no Megan suiting. Only Spanish that was really important. Once I got to the actual like, to where I turned myself into the gate, I was crying that remember telling myself, God, what if they keep pushing back on me, they keep pushing Belkic Nole, you know, like, like, no, you should just stay here, you should just like Powell. Mike gonna push you know how gonna like be insistent without it being like. What was this woman doing? I'm just gonna cry. I'm. This woman is crazy. She just just give her what she wants and it worked. So tell me, then what it was, like, once you were taken in and processed once I was finally taken in. They took me to a border patrol office. I was processed by officer was the last name scandal. So I believe he was either Cuban or like Dominican or something. I bring that up. That's relevant because so they think you know, when when we get to the border patrol office, these stars asking me questions, so I have previous arrest from, like protests. And he's like, wait. So you haven't arrest in Charlotte. You haven't arrested at Lana. I'm remembering, like all, gosh, what happened about protests in, like what would be the notes? You know I'm like, all your ads Charlotte of woman wouldn't move until I got out, and I told her to move, it's like I got I got Charleston arrested was like, blocking traffic when he was like, okay. Okay. He was just kind of look at me. We're only speaking, STAN. And so he goes back and talks to the other, what our patrol officers he's speaks to them in English. And he's like, you know, he's like what do you think, man? Using she's line do thousand she's lying there. Like she was like, I think she's lying. I don't think she's in. I think she's smarter than all of us. This is was saying he was like nam, and he was like a scandalous. I know this is just the submissive Mexican woman. She's going to go back to Mexico and her husband's gonna be was another woman, but she she's over here, crawling about him. And he's like, he's like he's like, he's I fucking Vichy's a submissive Mexican moment. What all of, like, you know, what's really I was like, man, I was like Josephine human only. I'll never forget that. Because I was just like like that was the moment when I was like I just looked down. And I was like, man, these people have no idea. While inside for it was able to help female detainees the way Marco had helped the men on the other side, she was able to gather information stories, lists of eight number or identification numbers, as well as contact information for the detainees family members on the outside. They had lost units using that information to draft legal filings others would draft petitions and design local advocacy campaigns. Now you might be wondering what Verdy on at Marco's exit plan. Was it turns out, they didn't really have a choice to stay? Kicked out was, and we knew this was going to happen. We knew that the same way that under our terms. We got in under our terms. We could get out as soon as we started talking about Anez, exactly what happened. Marco interviewed was Univision, I-, interlude within go, and then those interviews air, I don't as Thursday night. I think it was until inside the detention facility there. These flat screen TV's, a lot of times, they are playing Univision than a moon during their set to, and so sure enough, our interviews, come up in this, this report comes up. They get dreamers of infiltrated and the entire like everyone all the detainees are like. He's data. It's you an hour and they're like, oh my God. Like, like she's not lying. Like so probably gonna get kicked out soon. So, you know, here's the now, bring you guys like call, you know, if you change your mind or if you wanna, if you want help give the number to your family members and tell them to call us, it'll be easier to coordinate with that, chernoff the net stay. We're taking downstairs we in the movie. It's, it's, it's the warden I think that, like gives us all the tells us all your, your, your both here, legally twelve I for release in, in reality. It was is aged that like that said, we've reviewed your case in you, you, you need to go name, a number of Brazil was gonna come pick you up, and we're like, what are you talking about? Like what about everyone else, and they're like, what were we don't we're not able to talk to you about anybody else to tell you about you qualify for release. Are you gonna give him other info or what? So then we go make a phone call. We let our friends on the outside. No. Instead, we come back with a list of detain. Amis when we come back to is we come back with the list of detainees in a numbers of people that we want release and that kind of made a little math. And then we weren't told to leave again, I think it was like lunchtime. So we got to like, going have a final meal with detainees and stuff. And again, we weren't telling people like look they're gonna kick us out this, here's the number. Here's the here's all of the of the info. And then they did they finally that after that they went into our rooms they were like you're leaving, like you're going out now in life. You have to go, and they literally dragged us out. It was incredibly empowering, you know, again, it's like gosh, if we could do that, and do it successfully at, you know that imagine what a large group of people can do. I mean, an end people with more power. Moment in which, like, everyone is, is like Trump Trump Trump will sure if Trump is all this than we all need to get together. Get really creative in like Greeley really go to bat, you know, in risk in on not just not just talk like it. But like the life that, you know. In Dili, Texas, there's only one grocery store, and that grocery store is a lows. It's not a lows like the home improvement center. It's a totally different and legally distinct store, but also happens to be called lows. That's how my friend and former current affairs colleague, brianna Renick's started her latest piece for fares. Enter article Browder accounts at the Lowes, grocery store is woefully under stocked. It doesn't carry vegetable broth for instance, though, it does carry something called vegetable beef as well as bacon flavored, pancakes, or up in quote, quite a lot of animal fair moans in spray cans. What the store does carry, however, is a photo of candle featuring a picture of a little Lord wall, ROY type and plumed hat and a white rough. With the pink, c shell pinta was closed. It was the holy infant of toga it patron child Saint. Who defends travelers imperil and the injustly imprisoned for Briana to happen across this particular votive by chance felt like his man. See brianna is an immigration attorney at the daily tension center center made a Torius by the poor conditions there. And the fact that houses, families with children represent the parents in their kids people who've traveled from afar, fleeing perilous conditions looking for a better life. All of the people who are at Dili for the most part, people who are seeking asylum in the United States. Most of them are have recently fled from Central America. And when they get to the border because they don't have legal permission to enter their immediately put in this sort of super fast completely extrajudicial deportation process called expedited removal, and they have a very short period of time during which to try to convince the asylum office that they cleaned to asylum or. They will be deported. Very rapidly Dili's place where mothers detained with children, and in some ways, because we at the at least for the moment, there are some legal protections for children in detention that don't exist for adults in some ways. These family units are slightly better off because if they can succeed at passing interview at this threshold stage. The family can be released whereas most people in detention, they just languish in detention, perhaps for the entire duration of their cases. But that said seeing children in a detained setting is very upsetting. It makes the stakes fuel very high. When you have people on the verge of deportation. One of the hardest things is that for people whose claims don't succeed, it's usually not because they're not endanger. It's because they don't fit into the right legal box. And so, when my clients are deported with their small children, I usually fully believe that they are going back to an environment. Where I think that they will be hurt in maybe killed working with those families is very intense on takes a huge toll on my colleagues in the, the people who come to volunteer with us to, to be in proximity to that kind of suffering. And it really when you see the sort of the scale of the operation the amount of resources that are poured into locking up these families in locking up, immigrants, generally in the new compare that to sort of just human reality of being in front of these people in seeing very clearly that they are, just human beings trying to protect themselves and keep your family safe in our no danger to anybody. It's the contrast between that sort of the kind of out of control bureaucratic nightmare that our immigration system, in the sort of very understandable, sympathetic needs of these people is, is very disturbing in. It's, it's hard to see the narrative around immigration are multiple. Citizen, often terrible. And, you know, one of them is that there are these illegal people who have broken the law, and who have done, something word for which they deserve to be punished. And that narrative is anti humanistic, and terrible for myriad reasons. But I do think it's helpful to also understand that asylum is a separate separate park like question in and status. Can you help listeners who might not understand, you know, distinguish between kind of the various legal status of people in what it means to seek asylum in particular. Yeah. So I certainly think that there can be variety of reasons. Why people migrate all of which are completely legitimate people who are, are coming to rejoin family members people who are leaving poverty people who simply want to relocate. I think these are all legitimate reasons to come. Unfortunately, they are not reasons that are recognised as legitimate by our presence. Legal framework coming to seek asylum on the other hand is recognized as legitimate under a present legal framework, and it's recognized within our asylum, regime that you don't need to have a visa or any other form of permission to enter a country in order to seek asylum. They're all you have to do is present yourself at the border ask. And so there is a lot of discussion about how people are coming here illegally to seek asylum in that in and of itself. Does not really make sense because imbedded in the right to ask for asylum, is the right to come to a country in order to seek asylum. And so, for whatever this distinction is worth the people who are coming here to seek asylum or not actually, breaking the law, and most of them are coming because they had exhausted all their options in their home country to protect themselves. They, they fear for their lives. They are the lives of their families the thirties in their country, either directly responsible for trying to harm them or have. Failed to do anything to protect them in the face of the people who are trying to harm them. So, so what kind of claim do they have to what is the standard that they have to meet to be approved for asylum in the United States? Yes. So, so are asylum on based on the nineteen fifty one wreckage convention, which basically states that if you fear persecution on account of one of five protected grounds that are defined in the law. So those are race religion nationality membership in particular social group, or political opinion. If you fear persecution based on one of those reasons, either at the hands of your government, or some group at your government is unwilling or unable to control than you are supposed to be able to obtain asylum. Now, the refugee convention was written in the aftermath of World War Two, as so it's very much informed by the types of persecution. Mostly directly at. The hands of state actors that were of concern in need it aftermath of World War Two at the moment, we have a lot of people who are fleeing violence by non-state actors. And so the picture is a little bit different. And also the important thing, I think, to understand about people who are trying to qualify for asylum in the United States. Is that most of the time, the operative question the courts is not so much wetter the person has a, a true in legitimate fear that they will be harmed or killed if they're deported. That tends to not be a matter of dispute at all. The question is, can they fit into one of these legal buckets, that were set out in this sort of post World War, Two framework? In addition to that, they also are now facing barriers even entering the United States to seek asylum as their legal. Right. Can you help us get a better picture that by maybe giving us an example of asylum seeker that you've encountered who certainly feared prosecution for whom that wasn't an issue, but who was? Able to fit one of those buckets full to give very, very common example. So let's take the example of a child, who has been subjected to attempts at forced recruitment by gang so the gang has come up to them and said, you have to join us, or we're gonna kill you. We're gonna kill your whole family, and that child did not want to join the gang and so the child fled the country, believe it or not, that child is going to have a really hard time proving asylum claim in the United States. There are courts in many parts of the country that are going to say that child doesn't fit under any of the protected grounds. His lawyer might trade to argue like, well, it's, you know, young men in hundreds or a particular social group has Lerma tried to argue that resisting the gangs, the expression of political opinion, but in many parts of the country judges, do not accept these arguments, and so people who are in these situations, even who have sort of been conscientious objectors, in effect at great. Risk to their lives are gonna have a hard time fitting into one of those categories under the legal standards that are recognised by courts in many parts of the country. And it's important to note too, that the way asylum laws are interpreted very wildly across the country to kind of very striking statistic up until this point, I would say I if I'm recalling correctly, eighty percent or so of cases asylum cases that go before the New York court succeed in Georgia about two percent of the cases succeed, and that's very much just a completely arbitrary difference in the way that the laws are being applied in this places. That's really interesting. I am I never was a 'immigration attorney. But I did do Verona case when I was working at the firm at the only probably worthwhile than I ever did well during my career as lawyer. It wasn't LGBT QA asylum case where the issue was not whether he fit into a protected group, but establishing that he had been preceded by the state that, that was the hardest part to draw out. And so we got these kind of I worked with a group called immigration equality that specifically works with LGBT QA asylum seekers, and so they gave us these country condition statements were basically, there were certain countries that they had already compiled evidence on to show that those countries were hostile to gain lesbians, there, the part that we had to refine was, I was advised really work hard on with to prove to show that this the he didn't have recompense like recourse, basically, to the state went if he if he were to be beaten up as he had been for sexual orientation. You know, luckily, I mean it's heart set this is like a lucky thing, but he actually had suffered abuse at the hands of the police, which made us have a very strong claim and he was. Yeah. Tim. Successful. But it does like I say that only to give another example of how arbitrary and kind of fact specific these harms can be, and that there is this perverse, the perverse reality that, like, unless you stayed long enough for the bad thing to happen at which point might be two laser. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. And if and things are getting getting even harder, especially for people who are coming to the border on. There's this new remain in Mexico program that the government has ruled out at Tijuana is planning to expand to other ports of entry, which is basically, where if you're applying for a Silom they force you to wait in Mexico for the duration of your claim in the border area of Mexico, which is incredibly dangerous right now where there are no facilities in place where migrants. And so, basically, what happens is you get paroled into the United States in bus to your hearings there. And then after your hearings you. Get bus. Right. Back to Mexico where you have no access to attorney where you're in fear of your life. So it's you know, there's this, there's this law that happens in, in court, which is really hard. It's even harder. If you're detained now, this other really hard thing, or sometimes you might not even be allowed to be in the United States at all. You're being processed. What is it? What does it look like what are the conditions like inside his facilities so inside the family detention centers? I usually say so adult detention centers are indistinguishable from prisons, people were jumpsuits, they live in cells that are prison cells. There's no difference family detention centers where there are children are a little bit different. Usually say they're a little bit more like Japanese internment camps than they are like prisons. The are fairly detention center is a bunch of trailers surrounded by fence so people have some ability to move freely. Within certain parts of the facility, but they are monitored at all times. There are guards who watch them it's kind of interesting because some people arrive at the detention center, enemity are like this is a prison. I don't wanna be here. How can I get out of here? And then there are other people who arrive there from a very harrowing journey through Mexico, and they say, this is the best that I've slept in a very long time. I actually feel safe here. So that's an interesting contrast. But I have noticed even the people who initially are happy to have a bed to sleep on after they've been there for two weeks. They are crawling up the walls because it's, it's very, it's very hard to be in a in a small confined space like that, and they're not they're not allowed to have access to their belongings. Their belongings are taken from them, they're put in like uniforms. So it's a very kind of de Personalizing experiences. Well, so I wanna wrap up by asking you what kind of. Of interventions can politicians make you know, when we unseat Donald Trump in twenty twenty you know talk about. I'm gonna just we're going to like we're going to do the secret with this. We're going to manifest it because in the to happen. Like the you mentioned that state by state, you know, just because of the way that very jurisdictions, choose to administer a reply the laws. There's incredibly different outcomes with how many people are granted asylum. You know, a lot of visits seems is an issue of political will even without legal changes. Can you speak to both what you what can happen, what you hope to happen from perspective of political will, and also what legal interventions you would like to see happen? That would significantly change the status of people in improve the access to humane humane asylum process for people seeking asylum in this country. Yeah. So there are a lot of things that I think should change in the first place from the from the enforcement perspective. I think that the the use of detention again. It's all immigrants including asylum seekers is incredibly damaging out of proportion to any actual need whether that's security, or otherwise that exists, and detention has ballooned incredibly since nine eleven. It used to not be the normal practice in this country to detain immigrants. And now it is ominous becoming more. So, so I think the use of detention should be massively. Cur tailed for all immigrants including asylum seekers. I think that detention that kind of restriction of liberty should only be reserved for the most extreme circumstances, the way it ideally ought to be in all contexts. I think that in terms of Silom on the legal side, we, I think need changes in law that recognize that people fleeing violence need certain forms of protection in that even if you don't fit into one of these Jacob legal. Oh boxes. That's recognized under asylum law that you should still be able to obtain some form of protection. So that is certainly a change in law that I would like to see I think that our immigration courts are being currently under the supervision of the department of Justice in being part of the executive branch presents a huge company of interest. It makes our immigration courts inherently politicized allows them to be controlled by the directly by the attorney general. I think that there's been some very good arguments made that our immigration courts on shipping article one courts in that they should be a separate from the executive branch. So those are changes that I would like to see and in terms of changing enforcement priorities in terms of shutting down detention centers, these are things that the executive branch can largely due without any need for congressional approval in terms of larger changes in law, that would allow people fleeing to obtain status in that would allow. All kinds of Magritte's in this country to appear legally without fear of being rounded up by deported. Some of that can be accomplished through executive action, but a lot of it is gonna also a need buy in from congress. And so part of it is going to be about getting a change in president, but it's also gonna be about having the larger change in mindset across the entire political spectrum about treating immigration as what it is a not as a national threat. before we ended our conversation asked philan- and Louise, which you just they wanted to see going forward when we look towards the future, what I wanna see is a more inclusive and broader view of first of all, picking up the pieces from the past four years, and trying to help the people that were damaged most. Right. So we want a lift from this Muslim ban, right, there out of families that were trying to reunite their families trying to escape the injure they were turned away. I want to see immigration reform, obviously to help the people that are already here living in the shadows. I want to see an actual asylum, like a humane and inclusive asylum. Policy that we're not gonna have people under bridges. We're not gonna have children dying in custody when they're here escaping political and economic violence. There are so many things that I think a Bernie Sanders presidency is capable of and I know that it's going to be in good hands, because I know that the people that he's gonna put in charge of this are going to be immigrants themselves, who have gone through this process. He is not going to put a Jared Kushner in charge of writing immigration policy when he hasn't had a hard day in his life like you. Mike, you put people who, who actually know something about this, because either they've been personally affected, which I think, is the best way to go about it. Or, you know, actually have the knowledge to put something in place. That's humane, that's dignified. And that's fair. I think that people have this thought in their head that immigration is so easy in this country like just get an align just do it, right. Like what line bro? Like I had a line I would get it. But there is none. And so I think that everyone's cases are very different. We have to have an immigration policy. That's more inclusive than saying. You have to be perfect doing x y and z. Right. Not everyone story is that easy. Like some people crossed the border. Some people came here with a visitors visa November state. It some people came here seeking asylum. Some people came here visa-waivers like myself, which is like an entire. Other complicated way of coming here, and we have to fight for Justice for all people. If all people aren't free aren't able to be in this country without being afraid, then we're not doing it right. I support Bernie Sanders because he's been standing in menu of they should on a about from income inequality climate change, including humane immigration reform, as well as a structure of our immigration system. Must been alluded to that. So I just wanna make sure then I must reporter and now part of that campaign. So I wanna make sure then my voice and my message and what I want to represent you say, both to be spread around the campaign, and we're able to have an immigration reform than everybody's going to be proud of and were continued to do our work every day and were very proud of the work in the theme that we have here. Thank you both so much for joining today. I think it's really important for people to see you to hear from you directly to put a human face on what is often grossly. Hume. Humanized issue. And thank you so much your advocacy in your ear personal agree. Honestly, it's inspiring. Thank you. Probably Bernie said, you know, people's lives are counting on us like immigrant live are counting on being on this campaign and changing things for people. So that's what we're here to do. That's all for today. Let us know what you think adhere, the burn at Bernie Sanders dot com or tweet with the hash tag, here, the burn, if you haven't already, please take a moment to rate review or like apple podcasts soundcloud, or wherever you're listening, as all as transcripts will be up soon till next time.

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Now is the Time to Buy Garlic

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Now is the Time to Buy Garlic

"Inch by inch. Robot. GonNa make this Garden Malraux. All it takes is a rake bend the. Piece of fertile era. Row by row someone bless the seeds. Someone warm them from the low to rain. It is time for in the garden with Peter. Burke. Our Program today is brought to you by menards family owned true values store on Brooklyn Street in Morrisville. By vs flowers and Garden Main Street in Wakefield by Britain's big country hardware your authorized cub cadet dealer in Brit. Board. By clawson's flowers to greenhouse and perennial farm main street colchester with Mega Monday coupons each week. By your locally owned Montpellier. Eastman pill you road. By Thomas, farm in garden on the Barry. Mont road. By sticks and stuff and Swanson Lumber in Middlesex Saint. Alban. Berg's Swanton and Derby sticks and stuff dot com. By guys farm in yards, doors Ford to serve you in Bill Montpellier Williston and Saint. Aubin. by Pr Lumber your family owned lumber mill that had all the lumber mulching compost. You need right there on route fifteen in Walcott. By the Willie store in Greensboro celebrating one hundred, twenty years of family ownership. Telephone lines are open for your garden comment and your garden questions two, four, four, one, seven, seven, seven that's the Eight, Oh, two, local, number, two, four, four, one, seven, seven, seven. and. Here's the host of in the garden Peterberg. Hey Joel, how are you today? Pretty good. Pretty good. Oh, good. Dogs founded eight bucks. Whatever it is. Gone. He's better than a vacuum cleaner. Tell you. No no no potato chips are ground into the carpet around here. Yup. Well, speaking of potato chips We've been harvesting a bunch of our potatoes. And they look beautiful and so much fun harvest impetus with my grandsons and. They get such a thrill out of those little red I got the little red one is so good. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're great. And So the we have well, we've done harvest and potatoes and we started harverson some tomatoes. Beets and carrots, and onions and I have to harvest a whole bunch of basil the tomorrow or maybe later this afternoon and make Pesto. That's my one of my projects for this weekend making my purple Basil I. Let go to Flowers A. Little white flower. I could people told me, they grow them or mentally all as a as well as you know to harvest still leaf every now and I do I do and it tastes very Bazeley. But not as basically as he old good old Green Bay. So I can understand why some people prefer them as ornamental plants. Here's beautiful deep purple leaves and little white flowers. Blossoming time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're they're great though. Are, the Basil now is right at its peak. So it's time to start harvesting. Then people do it differently I usually just sort of pick the big leaves from the bottom up and then leave the tops to keep growing more and I'll cut those tops if I donate any more basil so. The and then I'll dry those tops. Exactly. What do we have a call right off the bat? Kind discourage are listening well, no of course, right in there. So your first name in town. They wonder how are you? Good I I have a question for. You know the. Yep Go ahead. I want to know. Organon job. SIPE was some Mulch Ache? And mushrooms throughout. Yeah Yup sure when surprise me bit. Are they safety nope. nope. Not at all no I wouldn't touch to. I actually would not even touch them. That's that's how poisonous a poisonous mushroom is sometimes even a small piece can can Without identifying it exactly and the most of. The plaque caps on them? Yeah, now ten foot pole. Yeah. Definitely. Stay away from. Where the word was safety, he died about. Hey. I'd I I wouldn't. I. Wouldn't touch any mushroom without a positive identity from either a master Mushroom Mirror book. And even then I would rely on somebody who's been out there knows their mushroom swing. We Grow Chautauqua Mushrooms and it's real easy to grow mushrooms Well, no it it's not easy, but it's not difficult. So it's it's methodical. You have to when you're growing mushrooms. So I would stay with the homegrown mushrooms and those from the farmers mark. And stay far away from those grown out of the. Sport or something that. Fate grew on day and they were dead than that. Yeah you're right yeah. Yeah that that sounds like a one that would not eat. Definitely. Okay. We want you around for next week for the show. I said, we want to hear from next next week to listen to the show we don't want to. Bring information actually had a tomato that size of softball. Fantastic. That's great deal for that information I will. You're very welcome Yup. Side. Okay. Glad he decided to call. Well I. You know you read a book on Mushrooms An and they talk about if you get a little bit under your fingernail and happened to ingest it it'll you know it goes right through your liver and you know you're it's days until you die so. That, really discourages from from trying something out. You know Y- when I was a kid they'd say Oh if you put a silver diamond within your cook and if it turns black, then it's not not safe. And I'm thinking yeah, right. Okay. Well, you remind me of my one of my favorite Charles addams cartoons, addams family. All based on the atom anyway. That's a picture of a supermarket of to in Dental you know in the in the grocery section two identical dental bins would appear to be mushrooms and the and one of them says, mushrooms eighty, five cents a pound and the other one says has a big question mark five cents a pound. We've got norm and Bristol for you right now. Here we go. Norm. Are you today. I'm fine. Thanks. Thanks for asking I have a couple of questions. One is about black raspberries. Have you grown those before Oh. I used to with my dad but not here in. Vermont, no. All Right I. I. Don't maybe you had this problem when you're with your dad I should as the pedals fall off blossoms. Shirley afterward. You know there's a cluster of developing. There's something then will turn black and not do Gary, they'll just you know shrivel up and. That before I've seen it in my blackberries not. Because I don't grow the the black raspberries. Blackberries but Do you can you detect any kind of a worm or a bug in there? Have you pulled out and sort of dissect it? Now for those no I had. Found on the canes themselves developing canes as they come from the base. The back raspberry that's the main Cain. There's other you know secondary gains pop up here and there but. There's one is really going to be the big producer. Here As that grows, they'll be the top of CAIN will start to turn like purplish. shrivels. Yeah. So you you have some sort of a virus. Than I've familiar with that and I and actually I see those on the black blackberries as well, and it's a it's definitely a virus. Do you cut your canes couple of things? One is you you make sure you have your black raspberries in rows so that there's air circulation between them. Years Okay Yeah. Yeah. So wires holding them up and then you do you trim back in the fall or in the spring so that there I I do when they get to be about three to three and a half feet tall at the top. Yeah. Okay you. Produce your producers, your side laterals, right? Okay. You can I. Guess You probably know this but you from the maintain L. alongside lateral got a hand fan. You clip that often spring Okay. Yeah and they were root themselves if and they'll get ten or twelve feet long sometimes. Oh Yeah. Tight laterals. Careful with. For sure. As when they touch the ground, they actually produce a plant. Roots. So you can, you can actually transplant does until in your rose where they're weak. The real. Good. But it sounds like somewhere along the line you've got a virus that that's infected your your plants there. So probably, the best shot is to it may not work this year, but you could try it the copper. fungicide. No luck with that that didn't help. Right yeah. I. Was GonNa ask you when you did it. Yeah Yeah. You have to time as soon is a the pennells drop off the blossoms. Yeah. That that's the key I think great. They're a little bit lax. Okay. this year I noticed it over the years if I don't get just right with proper. At. The right time I did have very good this year there's no doubt about. Beloved people said, the berries were good this year and they were last year too. So we've been lucky. been doing this for thirty years no kid where'd you get your your original raspberry black raspberries. Oh. God, I think I shared a way for. Them a mail order company. I was under the impression that black raspberries where it was a little too cold for them in. But no, they're wild wings all over the place in. Tight laterals. Now, that are eight feet long. So ending over the phone in roles I got eight in between rose, and there's so much growth and it happens every year. So it's not a big. So they're saying the side laterals and those you have growing along the your wires is at the way they do. Their I keep them contained inside the wire. Rose themselves are about. Four feet wide. And Yeah. You have to really pay special attention to them because can't get out of hand but. Absolutely. Mess their job is to get out of him. That's that's there that Sir you know instinct right there. One thing you might try and Or maybe you have already tried. To thin out a little bit more than you than you usually do because the most of those viruses are are they aren't drying out completely. And and just remember night When they do settles in on them, they're getting wet and so they need to be able to dry out completely to during the day and if they're a little too tight. How many kids do you leave in? Well the rose you're about. Probably fifty sixty feet long. And like I said about three and a half to four feet wide. And I have posted on either end of those roles and one in the Middle Yeah. Okay. Speeches and I hooked in there I just run the wears through there to support wire. Sure. Tighten them up is tight as you can. And but they'll like even right now they're sagging already. Because the way to the plan where the plants. Yeah. Yeah. So Well, it's Very bad luck with blackberries this year to I've got some insects doing a lot of gurgling. Redneck bore or what it is, but they didn't produce very well at all for the first time they've been out there for at least twenty. Years. Yeah. Yeah. Well you can't really move and you really can't replace them. So you you're GONNA have to try a few other things like like I said a little bit more air in that row on. The. Copper like you say is Inter blossom dropped there. So I think that might be a natural thing tending because the series you know especially, the black raspberries are so tight in that cluster but. Row. And start to grow also an spread apart cluster they're not real tight wants to get mature. Yeah. So, the Black Raspberry is is similar right? You that bears on the second year more or less. This year's green cames gains would be next year's fruit, right? Yeah. Okay. So and you take out all the old canes the in the fall. Yeah. Usually I used to take him out in the spring but I'm gonNA take him out in the fall. This year makes a difference. Yeah. We haven't tried before they go one more one one more thing for the honeydew list in the fall, right? Time. You know they make him look a lot better to those dead canes already snapping off in your hands. They're all dry and ready to get out of there. One more requests serving growing some pumpkins this year and I noticed over the years that have grown them. Along divine, it'll be some that turn yellow as they're developing they're kind of a smallish size. And, you'll turn yellow and draw. Fungal disease or It's sort of like Do you grow Zucchini at all? Yes, I do okay. Their crab. No. Well, you see when keeny will actually set a fruit but if it isn't really pollinated, it'll shrivel up and drop off and that's That's more a function of having not been pollinated. So. It's you know not much. You can do about it. But just the PUMPKINS. Thing yeah. That's what I'm saying yeah. It's the same thing is that it is started started to grow but since it wasn't pollinated properly, it won't grow. Bees are doing your job. That's right. You have to get out there with your cute tipple but he was. thinking. Out that's right. Yeah. But you'll notice that in squashes right along. Let's see. If you look at your cucumbers. You know you'll see see one right in the middle of the. Just turns yellow in its you know drop right off and that's just it's just a matter of that and I I don't really understand how it actually produces the ball, but it sure seems to and just by observation I'm going back. And they usually always have a blossom on it And that is the female blossom. That grows from the developing fruit yeah. It is well, you know some varieties are sort of ambidextrous. You know they they. They don't need to have a male flower or. Female fall our just needs some pollen. That's all. He. Did it super sweet away the little small. Ones Yeah Nice. Are they are they the ones? Addiction I don't know I'd I'd have to. We'd have to look it up. You know it's but. Lots of lots of cucumbers. So there's lots of flowers around I. had one one particular one particular. Brand that I planted like twenty five and out of that twenty, five one came up. I was so surprised. And then of course, the pickling every single thing came up and I've got a ton of those. Uh. Yep and they're they're great I, use them the salads and everything else. So what the heck? Yeah well. Thanks very much. Sure. Thank you. Okay. Thank you and we'd have callers on the line. I. Thank you for being patient everybody. Sure see in Morrisville Nancy how are you? And thank you. I'm fine. Hope you guys are i. have several questions if time permits mostly about tomatoes. I've got several varieties, a couple of cherry tomato varieties of San, Lozano and. One or two of the bigger. Got Available as well. So they are quite prolific, I happily my government quite nicely. Loaded with grain tomatoes and I'm wondering if. If. I would bring the flowers is now because they are still running. That trio ripening of the existing green ones. Well. It it will it probably will help a little bit but I it's the reason i. Trim those out is that they're never gonNA make it. And because those little flowers as much is it's SORTA hard to do is to sort of like pruning your apples as much as it's hard to do. You might as well go ahead and and clip them out I was looking at my tomato plants this morning and thinking Oh oh, I hate to do it but it's probably time to to cut the just the flowers I, leave the leaf but. I just snip about the that little bit of flour 'cause they're not gonNA probably not going to mature. Now though San Marzano's I grew I grew have grown and I find that the season is too short in central Vermont You probably have a little longer season than we do but it's it's hard to get them to to ripen and I ended up Hembo to ripen them in in the paper bag you know. So I, don't know I this year I did the UH, the called maybe the no verb anyway was small Roma tomato the those are great Khazar already ripening in their their in clumps of about ten and. In there there's a size that. Is Definitely. Ripening. I should have a good hall of those. Wow Hey and Go ahead. What was it was the other The Sandwich panels are beginning to ripen. Too. Yeah they're beautiful. Long called Moskovitch I think and I've researched a little. The problem seems to be blossom end. Yup Men Right. What they do about well. The first thing you do for a media, the mix up a tablespoon of epsom salt in a gallon of water and water them. And then some people actually use it as a full ears spray the And generally speaking a if you get a specific tomato of liquid tomato. You may be able to get enough. The problems are MAG magnesium and calcium deficiency. Usually, if you have enough compost in there, it's enough but. You know I actually looked at one tomato this morning and I had blossom end rot and I thought well Jeez. Don't have enough composting. It definitely happens. For some reason, other those two things that tomato plant has problems absorbing from the soil, and so it needs plenty of it and the epsom salt will work As a if immediately, and that's probably your best bet right now. Wow. Okay. I also have coats see it's called better boy. Black Leaf spots and the least funds yellows. and. Lay anything that material to keep the car clean because it's really close. Yeah, right. That's. That's all you can do really is to try to the. It's some sort of a virus on there, but generally, it's not. It's not a fatal thing. You can use the the spray, the copper spray that we were just talking about you can use that. And this is a good time of year to start that as a routine We don't really know yet if the. You know the. The other viruses going to show up the late blight but it it will show up sometime soon if it's going to and that copper spray will be good preventative. So it'll help it'll help with that and help with the other and of course. Take out all the lower leaves and give it plenty of air. Let it. You know that's good. Yeah I had now familiar with the idea of tomato plants that are fruiting. Remove any the lower leaves and happily I did that because as I said the garden very tight if there's time. My squashes as in do keys and yellow squash are getting some. Locked in the stems where the statal where they were the least joins the stem, and also where the stem comes out of the ground, they're getting some kind of a Wa there. Oh please St. Inside. And I don't see any rugs or anything I don't seem to see a fungus. And this is on your on your summer squash and Zucchini. Other, that's going right next store nine. Th. Yeah So I'm one of those people that did not have a set of loss of. One of the guys at work said Oh he's got some of those baseball bat size Aquinas and I said well, listen there's no such thing as too. Much, Sakina. And that of course, one of the summer jokes here is don't leave your car unlocked during the summer. But what we do with those big Zucchinis is We chop up and blanche him and pure put them in a in a plastic bag and freeze them and make a terrific soup stock when you're during the winter in, it's so easy just to. Yeah. So so baseball size. Zucchini is just fine now about that stem rot though I'm trying to think of what would cause that. And this is right at the right where it goes in the ground, the root is is wears rooted. And the as Akini SORTA has almost like a trunk. You know it doesn't all come out of the center it sort of has A. Sale Liking inch and a half or two inch trunk that goes along and then the Zucchini come off. Right and so is is a killing the plant is the police are are wilted and stuff it does eventually kill the plant I have removed whatever remains of the stem including the room. If you see that again take a look inside the stem itself. So to take a knife and slice it down the middle and see if you see the the squash bug in there. Is. There could be a squash bug in there. I don't know of a particular virus that that hits the stem like that. But. You know. THINGS POSSIBLE EXPOSE Hey I trimmed earlier today and I haven't pitched that. A look you know because that's sort of give you a tip. You know what to watch out for. and. How okay? Last question. Of Using Baking Baking Soda Pollution. Especially under believes to prevent some longest. Are you familiar with that? Yes. Sir they called powdery mildew is the one. Yeah. Powdery Mildew you get those white sort of spots matter of fact. I. Noticed the My country, the conference getting a little older. Now let's finish blossoming his. The powdery mildew on it. So I got to cut that down and put it over the hill because I don't want to spread onto the squash plants that are just about to run over it. Yeah. Apparently, it worked as a Alkyl? Concentrate. Is it tablespoon to a gallon? I. Think that's right. I'M GONNA have to take a look. Let's see here. Now it's been a little while since I've done that one. but the the other thing I was going to say is that even a Even like a minority or serenade or. You know different sprays at are out there. You can use the other one that's common milk using milk solution and So leisure say it just. Changes the PH enough that. You sort of want to. You want to get it before it starts. But if you have already started, I would commit a shot it won't hurt anything. Let's see now. So Baking Soda is a tablespoon. And a half teaspoon of liquid soap like a casteel, not a dirty. In a gallon that's the. Yup that's the mixture. Of Baking, soda and a half a teaspoon half a teaspoon really really small amount. That's just a wedding agent. That's all. See. One Lincoln Casteel. So something that's Not Not a detergent. And I've done it actually without the without the detergent if you don't have anything like that. and. So or one part mill to three parts of water so if you do. You Know Court of Quarter well, court might be a little too much but anyway Theoretically a quart of milk, you'd have three quarts of water to it. Isn't that something? That's one of the home remedies. And of course, you can use other stuff too. I mean there's all kinds of you know. Disinfectant can stuff that you can get. But Like like the liquid copper. that. That works as well. If you're mixing up a batch for your tomatoes, you could use that on those now, would would work as well. But the old time remedies are definitely milken baking soda. Okay this is. Helpful. Again thanks the call I appreciate it. To. Dokey well, thank you and we just do a quick I here. People know people on the line six, hundred, you Dav FM Warrant Ninety six, point five, W. Two, forty-three at Berry Ninety eight point three W. two, fifty to see you peel your am five fifty wd waterbury and let us go to Marcia in. Berry they MARSHA. Hi. What's up? I I wanted to give give you up progress a that'd be on my popcorn. Cake Great Talk to you. Longtime. Time. Ago Sure How's it going? Is that the black popcorn is that the one? Be, Elo. Okay Yep it's the yellow. I'm. I'm really really thrilled to. See that this is this is this is popcorn that I got from high from high mowing called Tom Thumb. It's an heirloom hybrid from new New Hampshire and they're yellow colonels and I am I couldn't plan sudden until the fourth of July because it was just too hot for me to get get get out I. I can't take Ashton completely I'm with you humidity. Plant plant planted then and I'm very very thrilled. It's eighty five days. So I hope it's do on late September. Yup We've had good good corn weather for sure I've a fairmont farms and all the farmers around. Each peelers got beautiful corn right now Well I. I heard allies it once week with Fisher motion. And I know at this this isn't sub subs-. This isn't the IT's supposed to be higher than three feet, which is fine for me because I'm four eight and a half. My size and the of stocks are now be beaten now a little bit above. Two and a half feet Oh. Yes. Oh, and you said you had the tassels now, right? Yeah. Artha. This week. I so I was really thrilled. And I know because I heard heard you talk last last. Last week about Tassell and corn, and you said that at this point that take takes a lot more water. So and I'M GONNA. Put put put up some Pi Pi plates with. is on them to try to scare things six off Yup that's the next challenge yet. Right. So I'm just wondering any any said Justin some guidance at this point. Sounds like you're doing everything right To protect them and and feeding them water him. That's all. That's all perfect and they're heavy future. So I'm sure they appreciate their. Their the weekly watering 's. Okay. Yeah. The grid so weak feeding is enough just keep keep me. It Yep. Right so And you must like popcorn if you're growing popcorn. Yes I, do yes I do my wife's favorite to. I mean I can't can't eat the rake can eat the regular corn anymore but I but I was chat challenged by hearing the pop popcorn is good and it doesn't and we'll see what we'll see what Britain predators takes supposedly it doesn't. It doesn't add. Does. Not Attract as many. Yep. So that's the story. All right. Thanks for the call. I'm I'm glad to have the update. Thing I I I. Don't know anything about what what, what to do with I when I when I have is at. So if I am blessed enough to get that file call. That sounds great. We'll walk you through that. Thank you take care of okay. Thank you, Marcia. It's in the garden with Peter Burke, and let's check in now with Judy in Hyde Park. Hey, jude. Waiting. This is perfectly fine. I'm just listening to you guys right and usually you chat with my husband. John. Week. But he's away okay and I just had the call and and with the response to Nancy's call about her summer squash. And if you'll remember, we had problems with the winter squash. White Grub there I'm sure there's another name, but we head of Vine and starting on our summer squash and it was starting at A. Joint. Same same as Hers Riding John got in there cut it with a knife. There was a black lab. And that Vine We haven't had more. We took that fine off. Killing it anyway AM. I thought maybe nasty ought to get in there and. Get, rid of? That will good good advice I like that in a I can't say with that's just a variety of the same thing or something different. Usually the ones that I've seen is sort of like a ugly grayish grub. But I don't know maybe it's just a different variety, the black robe. I JUST Call in and well whoever it helpful for. No Julia really appreciate that. It's great and it's it's sort of it's One of my thesis is the Garden Fortress and there are so many things that you have to prepare for and be ready for and you know and watch for. You you you make a fortress you you have all your tools to get in there and protect your plants. And when anyway that's good news. Bad News because we've lost all our winters. Out And only got that fine. We know how it is. One of the most frustrating thing is is when you don't know what's causing the particular problem. It's like you grow tomatoes and all sudden you pick one in the whole end of it is black. Yeah. Those things. You know that you gave us a helpful hint I mean it was too late for wonder, wash? Maybe, we saved their summer squash. They'll thank you very much what you're very welcome. Thanks for the call. Judy. Talk to say how to John. By. Okie dokie. Well, let us continue and Pete. We've got repeat in Barry Pete Repeat how are you? Good afternoon. I'm fine. How are you? Good good. What's going on today? Well, seems to be a squash day. I So I did my as it happens I harvested all my equal in squash. Seems fine yeah, but some of them have these white. House on the outside of them. To. Do they look like a moult or something like that? You know they? They're very hard. Just award. Then the and that's that's not uncommon. Yeah. This is just a word. That's all. And No? No, it's. It's fine. It's no problem at all and squashes do have attended certain squashes has have a tendency towards and you don't see so much in your butter. But in your acorn styles, you'll see more more war. It's sort of like you ever seen the you know. Well, let's see what Freddie would be. Well anyway they they'll tend to to be Wardi. And Perfectly natural, just like a mole on a person, you know big deal. Okay. Well, that's that's good news. Yeah. Sure and what the one thing that we do and maybe I've mentioned it before but the we go ahead and do a clorox wash too surreal. And that was gonNA. Be My next question. Yeah. What kind of strengths are you talking oh? Tablespoon a gallon not not strong at all you know you can barely you can only just barely smell it. Doesn't need to be you know strong strong. Just. To wash, that's all. And? I will say that I. had The vine type of. This wash oh no and and you know what I you know when they when the leave started to wilt fortunately, all of our, all of our squash was was. For All practical purposes? was was green all over. Oh, that's great. You just made it. You just made it. That's great. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah well, it's interesting. It's interesting like the powdery mildew. Talking to Paul, vets who who? Worked at high mowing and. He said that he plants to crops of. His cucumbers because that powdery mildew is sort of A. Is just a natural cycle for for plants that are starting to get old and I thought that was interesting is. You know for certain varieties you might just will accept the fact and replant but with the squashes like you say, you gotTa make you gotTa make it to the end. But how would I prevent the? What's it called? Vine Squash. Squash Beatles. Any. One of the The prevention. You're talking about your your squash, your winter squash, right Okay. Because a if you have a real big problem, with Zucchinis, I grow variety. That's an Italian trombone Zucchini and I grow up on Trellis 'cause it really trials as well. I mean it has a long six, seven, eight foot. Vine and it grows you know a twenty inch. A twenty inch Shuki needed. It's only about an inch a half around in it's an excellent. But if you're if your problem is with your winter squash, there's a couple of things you WANNA do is. That the the the squash plant is not laying on on bare ground. to have some sort of a mulch under an and what I've noticed that some people do in in is a good plan issued delay down. A black landscape cloth down on the ground so that your vines are just on that on that landscape cloth. and. The other thing is is you could use a nice Straw malt and let them grow on that Straw Maltin. That'll that'll help. and. The. Other thing you can do is to if you have when grown men like a bed or Raised bed. With. US. The sheet of black plastic and or even clear plastic and the solo rise the the ground say you in this area I did that this spring. In, the area that I that I plant okay and so do you use any kind of a multi anything like that? No I didn't. Okay. All right. So you might try that and. I think I'm trying to think AC- they're gonNA come in they come in as a like a fly lay their eggs in the Negro forms. So. It's possibility if you do an early spraying of the of the Spin Assad or even maybe a Neem oil, I'd have to double check on that. But one of the two of them. I don't have heads book right here. So I can't check but I know that that both of those usually work on any kind of A. Beetle flying, beetle or so. So you could try that early on because well, when you saw this was almost what three weeks ago maybe four. No No I pulled I pol, the plants the beginning of this past week. Okay. All right. So And they were starting to you know the leaves were starting to Wilton and looked at the at the squash and I said, well, these are these are ready to come out anyway. And So I just I just the beginning of the week I took out the squash and. And then pull the plans for immediately thereafter. Well, it's. It's a funny thing to accept the fact that those plants have a natural cycle and they die. This sort of like potatoes you look at your pedals right now and they look like Oh man what's wrong with these? Well, they're dead that's it. They're done. You know they they finished they said I've done my job you know I I have a small garden and But but. I. Would with what you're saying I I look at the garlic. In it tells me his regular does yeah. How Clear Is Sort of like onions they just fall over and say, oh, that's it. I'm done. Ok P, thanks for the call. Thank you. Thank you you mentioned is book. That's a compliment Mike Book. Good afternoon. Thank you we. We had a question off air from a listener fellow who is at work and couldn't to hang on the telephone. My dog asking, what? When he? What's your question when we grow hamburger? No, it's not in the garden. No no no but IRA off air phone call. He he's looking for a project that I would start in late October November where I am and that's when they start thinking about planting your garlic. Okay. Well actually that's perfect because I was one of the things that. I wanted to go over today was it's time to buy your garlic and the reason I say that is eh by the time you turn around in a week or two a lot of varieties that you want will be sold out. Now, most of the you know I went to Johnny's in high mowing and a couple of garlic websites and all the rest and most of them list them as out of stock. Okay. Because they won't really be ready until September I you know the end of August. but now is the time to place your order to make sure they're not out of stock when you want it you I. Don't generally plant and tell my birthday, which is mid October. And I find that I really. WanNa make sure that it's late enough that it doesn't start to grow because you you don't want any growth in the fall you know you WanNa make sure that it's You know you've had a good frost and the leaves are coming down and the geese are flying overhead. So you? you want to hold off, try to hold off and do it and sometime in October. Now I do know some people that that Go, as late as November but they're over an Ithaca and realized that I took their advice in hell off last year and I missed my chance because we had we had an early winter in there were snow on the ground and I never go back to it. So this year I'm I'm. Going to replant in from stuff that I, buy. The stuff that I grew just didn't really have enough time to to be nice and big. So I'm taking the opportunity to grow some new varieties and but this is the time. This is time to get out there and by that garlic or you know. I suppose you can go to the farmer's market and look some variety there by that. the farmer's market generally czar Ganic That's a good thing. But they're not necessarily you know a certified seed stocks so. You might want to be a little cautious about that talk to the whoever it is who selling it. But now is the time to procure your garlic for for planting, but it don't plan it until October. that. Answer the question I think. The wife. Garlic didn't early November. Yeah. Without. The banana built. You know you're not in the in the. The iceberg here. And My advice is to only plant the hard neck in Vermont hair. The soft necks I've had very little luck with, but some people swear by it. So you want to. Sort of search through the soft next and and see which one says they grow well in cold weather The reason people like soft next is they want to. The make the garlic bread and that and I understand that completely but. The. Hard neck is harder year variety and and certainly if you're just starting out, you want hard neck. The Hard Nek specifically has a hard stem that grows up through the center of the ball. Whereas the soft neck, there is no stem at all. You know just the just the leaves are coming up out of the BULB. And let's see I guess that's that's sort of covers. It doesn't. Yeah. Okay. That's I think I basically covers it. garlic are heavy feeder actually just like heavy feeder. So you want to give him a good general i. Mixed in with soil before you plant, you take in divide each individual garlic clove, and I usually stick it in my fingers and push down until it's about two or three inches deep. you can put. You know like a Mulch sorta like a straw something like that on them and in the spring, it will be packed down enough that will come up through the straw but it's not a complete necessari-necessarily I've done it both ways and in both ways seemed to work just fine. see general lighter and then during this season. Every O every week there's every couple of weeks you want spray with A. you know the fish, seek help fertilizer, give them a spray. They liked that Foley your fertilizer you can have a you know pretty, pretty nice bulbs that way. And that's about it for garlic that I can think of right off. Yeah garlic's a lot of fun. I really enjoy it. I'm of course, I'm making the Pesto today. So I use the the Basal and I've got lots of partially and You know the garlic can mix that in with the all oil, and then I make some batches with cheese because I like the Parmesan cheese in IT and some batches without co some people in our family don't want. Up Nuts along with it or walnuts. Walnuts just because. I like the flavor of you know some people use. I'm. Not. Completely allergic to pine nuts, but I'm sensitive to them. So I, I like the walnuts myself. And their whole lot cheaper than the pilots. To buy a big sack of. Somewhere, COSCO or. You could do that. But I, I like the flavor of the Walnut really well. But any with do you could actually use? If you wanted to. and. So Besides the PESTO. I'm going to be making dilly beans because my green beans both pole beans, and then my purple green beans. Hey Do you know if the the purple bean stay purple when you make them? They'll they'll. They'll green up when you? When you daily on Okay I, wasn't sure. Yeah so I mean how do you take advantage of the Dili being of the of the purple being you know? Well, for me it was. Getting the youngsters to eat their beans and Things they they wanted him as their vegetable during the entire season. So When we put them in the steamer Yup they. They could watch them change color. That's neat. Yeah. Like that. Well, I have the yellow in the the purple and they're just coming in now. and. So I was going to make some dilly beans but I wondered if I was going to use those the pole beans I have I'm growing the nor the northeastern nor eastern from Giannis The music Musica from high mowing and They're both flat potted flat pod. Roma type and they grow enormous. I. Mean they're like. Ten inches long and they're flat and they're still tender. So. They're really really productive and I was in the store the other day and a half pound bag of of green beans and the price tag on him was like seven bucks and I thought Oh. My Gosh I just harvested about one hundred dollars worth the. I felt so much better. Couple years. I. Did these. Toll Beans on the teepees. Yeah and but they weren't to be eaten. They weren't I guess you could drive them but very light yellow uh-huh and long skinny beans with. Little Red spots on them. They Gorgeous Red Flowers Oh yeah. That was as they say, these are ones that you probably. Aren't going to use to eat or were. You know to dry any members at the cranberry or the dragon or something like that? But? Whatever you see them available they say attracts hummingbirds and that was what we did and it was wonderful. All the little hummingbirds come in. That's cool. was there. They're they're they're part of the garden until the deer came in claimed everything all the beans growing. For me it was the chipmunks they just I. I can't remember which one they were called, but anyway, they were spotted and. The chipmunks absolutely love them they just they could not stay away from now. This is this is the year of the chipmunks if they're planning to take over as the dominant species this year to do it like the planet of the. Easy I've never seen so many. Yeah. Yeah. As as I I've noticed a lot of Fox out around this. This season and One of the guys at work actually had four Fox. One Mama one in three babies come you know three pups I guess they called. And they're all all grown up now and have moved on but. At least chipmunk. Fully true. Their full Jim. Oh goodness well, anyway. So the other thing was going to plant a minute harvest my beats. and. I'm. Planning to make pickled beets have you ever had done those? I haven't done myself of my wife is a that. Farm. Farmers Markets, whatever they available if love. Yeah, right and then some of those beans I don't use in Dili. I'M GOING TO USE FOR FREEZE Bowen freeze them. And try to try to use those up that way. And then we harvested all of our new potatoes and now we're going on to the mid season, and then the late ones are still green actually but the midseason are starting to die back now and so those those have to be harvested. About pickled beets and if you have a nice portion of. Takes about four. To get stains out of your under. Right. You just wearing the wrong color T. shirt buddy. have. It at the. Not, the way Berry in the. Wayside, you mean, no down in. Middlebury. Forgetting the name well, the prominent. Prominent in for years and years one of the what of their Their restaurant, they had the the mobile. appetizer. Bar. and. pickled beets. With one of them and of course, it was a great great. Story. In which a Distinguished person came in with with. Completely white suit and. Even, White Buck shoes and apparently dumped the pickled beets. Favors this. That's the end of that. Story was told to me when my one of my daughters was still in a high chair and she manage to spill but only all over herself. Anyway pickled beets are wonderful. Extra I was surprised in the recipe how much sugar was in them. Oh. Yeah. They're they're pretty there's a lot of sugar. In the pickled beets natural sugar in you get. These cultures. Yeah. That's the the sugar beet. And? Let's see what else are we doing in the garden of? Well, of course, even though we've had rain. It's really not enough and so you need to get out and make sure you water particularly We've replanted are lettuces and the lettuces are just coming up and I planted some lettuces and they you definitely have to keep water those guys this year they seem to want to. Plant them anyway, we have another caller to. Be Our final correspondents winning. Day and We'll. So we will see. Ask You your first name in town. please. Hi. This is Ellen. From North Williston high. North Williston. All right. Well there's a lot we could talk about what the garden I just wanted to move onto your pickled beets real quick. Okay. Go ahead. When you make your syrup you're saying a lot of sugar. I use Maple Syrup a lot when I make. An But you really need a source for that and honey work. And you can do them and small batches. But make I want to call is is make the syrup ski with your herbs or your spices. Give for a day or two heated up what a great idea. and. Then it'll get more concentrated and taste it and when you hit the taste that you like. Up when you want to bottle them up, well, that's great. What a what a good idea like that. So if you do and if you do small batches, keep track and of what herbs spices. US. And and ask people are eating them which one do you like? Okay I'll do that I thought peppers and a lot of mine really a lot of a lot of people don't care for that. That sounds. Pickle be. There's a few things here that they mentioned of course. In the recipe uses. Onions right I don't know if you use US but they also mental the cinnamon sticks and whole cloves What else is there Hardiman Carmen? Your Your pepper corn tonight. Okay all all day. All Spice. Or interesting, almost starting to sound like A. The the pickling season to the to use. Sir. Well, what most people you the pickling season for for because there's two types of picnic season you can get is one is for the sweet and one is for the. You know the vinegar so I. Just wanted to tell you that because I make a lot and I find when I do you know like I'll give it. Three or four jars of one kind one labor So then you don't have your whole amount of be in something you don't care for Gotcha. Yes. So you could you experiment. The other one is It was like Orange Peel you ever tried that. I'm not fond of it. nope. Ginger. Yeah you know what's really make A. Nice Flavor Like rose hips and stuff like that and. He gave at that partner boy I got a lot of rose hips this year. pretty who so you mean like the the whole thing the whole. That right in there I'll be. There with the beat because it's pretty oh my gosh, that's a great idea. Put the spices in the jars. Oh, you don't. You let it. That's why. This strain the spices out or take your spice bag out. And then you've got a cleaner product for storing. Forget, to them up around the high holidays. and. Put your your eggs in them pickled connects. Of like the dilly beans we make about thirty of those quilted jars it's a pint and a half and. It just. We pass them out all during the holiday season. Now is bringing a house gift. If we go someplace and you know we go through pretty quick, it sounds like the beats would be just like that. They can be very tasty. Joy Them Okay Thanks for the radio show or you're very welcome. Illinois. I'm so glad you called in and. With some good advice I. appreciate that. Yeah. What kind of salt. Just on the left note, just regular canning salt pickling salt. Store what about you? What are you using? Oh, well, that's what that's what they always recommend. What you know. Otherwise you get discoloration and. And, whatnot. But I never use white vinegar I always use either a wind been A white wine vinegar or my favorite is the site of vinegar. Oh. Yeah. Yeah Apple CIDER vinegar. Real salt at Redmond Utah, which is No well, you can look it up online look up real salt, real salt or minerals in its pink never did. Carry. Pure I've seen that. I. Put that in my pickles. Judge's choice that the fares. So Settling out our that major you know what I mean. We'll think kids we had a master key masterclass in pickling I. appreciate it. That's what the all time. Well, what do you call them? We don't have them too much anymore. Oh you know what I'm talking. Together sure. Yup Look a pickling be. Yeah. Yeah on thinking the grains the grain grain just. I'm going to offer a course who the grain they've been after me a few years that's great. I haven't done yet but they. The grain sh in Montpellier wanted to do a class on the indoor solid gardening. And I usually do that at the co ops and sometimes around. but that's that's a great class in I'll bet. The pickling class would be very very Oh, speaking of pickling I I'm going to do my The refrigerator pickles. Love me those wonderful I I really liked them to make those. Yeah. I make a Lotta quick pickles. So tasty. Absolutely absolutely, you can get one. Just going to see, you can go through a gallon jar those in no time. Whereas if you put them up in the role jar, nobody knows that you've gotta eat that Gallon Right Up You, enjoy your. Thanks for the call. Well that's a great way to come to the final moments of the program. Yeah. You're going to do a break and then I'll finish up or you know we've done our break. Okay good. So there's two things I wanNA finish with is. One. Is As a reminder we were talking about the squash is that when you water, you WANNA water the soil and not water the plant and I forgot to mention that and I just don't want to miss it. You know this this is. It's a big help I know that there's plenty of do stuff like. That there's plenty of moisture on the leaves but usually. That goes with the morning sun but if you're watering The plants a lot with like a sprinkler something. Then there's a lot of water on the on those plants and maybe they don't dry out as much and the other thing was called the couple of weeks ago about the blueberries and she had the the little. The little fruit fly on them and I mentioned a few things about it but. As always picking my blueberries last week, it was sort of like what I forgot to mention is gonNA. Make sure you pick up any blueberries that are on the ground. You know you you don't want to leave them down there because that's where. Where the larvae that are in the blueberries you know live, and then they go down in and around, and then they become flies and so you want to break that cycle a little bit. So if you're having that problem, make sure you pick up all the old blueberries. Okay, Buddy. Okay. Well, thank you very much and do join us again next week if Cedar. Luther Garden. Inch by inch. inch by inch row. By row. GonNa make this garden. All it takes is a ring and the wind piece of fertile. CH- rule by. Someone bless the seeds so. Limb from the low to. Lou. Rain. Moves. In the garden with Peter Burke has been brought to you by Menards family owned true value store on roof street in Morrisville by vs flowers and garden shop made street Wakefield by brought the big country hardware your authorized cub cadet dealer in. Britain. Mike Cloth wars greenhouse at perennial far locally grown right here in Vermont Main Street in Colchester check them online. 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Why So Serious?

Coffee Podcast by Cat & Cloud

1:02:22 hr | 1 year ago

Why So Serious?

"The cat in cloud coffee podcast is sponsored by steep coffee. Steep coffee is a new brewing method that combines specialty craft coffee into a single serving bag. You don't need a machine sheen. You don't have to make a mess. All you have to do is add hot water. Where ever you go each cpac is individually sealed its nitrogen flush so it stays fresh rush and it's got this special full immersion filter in the filters ultrasonic sealed which means it sealed together with no glue or no staples so there's no weird stuff floating around around in your coffee steep. Does it benefit me corp. They ethically source all their coffee. Their packaging is fully compostable and they believe that business should be done without compromising. Get your hands on steep copy packs at steep coffee dot com. That's s. t. e. p. e. coffee dot com asking your local retail stores to start carrying steeped or having your favorite ristori reach out and kind of get in touch. If you're in santa cruz come on by any of the cloud locations we have it there for basically they're just doing their best to change a copy industry. Make your life life more convenient with their preportion. Pre ground innovation to tell all your friends so chris does the thirty day coffee challenge. He is back on the wagon but that's not necessarily early true because the wagon was a little bit scary to jump back on cava right now yeah. I'm sorry you get the kinda shout as our alu blue or not dogan visas. This'll be where the magic really happens. True district discontent with your flatbed bed literally just dumped all the water water in and it's perfectly flat super weird. Sometimes i feel like we make it harder than it needs to be. We always make it harder. Yeah that that beds ed's flat without doing anything but it's like ridiculously flat and i did absolutely nothing. Maybe that just proves that perfect v. sixty cylindrical line base that just draws it down shirts back yeah some v. sixties. It'll say occasional v sixty instead of no. It's almost there so we're hearing the rosary today because us. We are busy busy busy. Chris had a bunion doctor's appointment today which means he got. He got to learn a lot. He got to learn one for sure. This is the cuts for sure. Here's a here's the response time to you healing. Here's your crutches. We'll see you next week thursday where we just slice lice dice and turn your toe straight out dude unit so turn. It's gonna be real. The doctor came in and he's like let me see your togan. I always like to look at my patients one one more time before the actual surgery date so i popped my shoe often took the socks off and he's like oh yeah that is prominent huge. You're all yeah. Sometimes i take it for a walk walk. He's like yeah tha- that's a pretty big so i gotta sizeable bunny. I signed the consent form. It was keep the bunion or don't yeah it's options and it's option this that and the other option of not surgery. It's all option five. No surgery live every day with pain or something just so you know what you're live with pain and deformity. Here's your choices a lot of ways to fix it or we're live with deformity. Check all that apply. Well that sounds. I think chris most likely picked with pick. It's not for me because he's trying to get back in the game of skateboarding you know and i'm still getting back in the game of basketball in case you are wondering and i know you work because that's the first thing you think about when you think about the game mother no sick actually lost the first four games one the second three same teams three on three legit basketball players i was i was pretty surprised game to twenty one games twenty one twos and threes half court because the only three on three and i was obviously rusty because i hadn't done my thing just not terribly confident but like you know contributed a little missing shots made some dumb plays the first three or four games you kind of see him not writing me off per se. They're like oh yeah but you just haven't played a game fifteen years. Where do you sit in the pack where you down down but no i was just like missing shots like if i was making shots out of probably been middle to the top second second like half of the night when i started getting good it was awesome because the dudes who are like halfway wrote me off started making like this dude named future richer who's like the guy and he's like you know the quintessential street baller. He's got the moves. He's good. He's just he's. He's doing all the stuff stuff right. He's like trying to put the ball through your legs and stuff and he like put it through my legs. I can still dima but just not on my. I usually am right so he'd score pretty well and come game four. I started hitting shots and i scored like fifteen of our twenty. One points which is i felt pretty good in there and then they were like oh and that was when they started taking me a little more seriously and then the rest of the next two games after that it was like i put put up half our points it sucks when you suck doc but when you're on its they stopped guarding you or they don't guard you tie and i'd go to the whole and i could do that so they stopped. They started playing off me. He goes missing my shots and those honestly just as tired and out of breath and not used to playing full on basketball and then i got into my you know when you warm up and you go past the part where you're tired anymore like knocking just run and run and run that finally hit me in like game five out of seven it's kind of like that runner's high kicks in whatever they call it the endorphins go and then i was like quick and i can make moves and then they like even the dude future by the in his sick move and that's what i'm talking about felt good because he was he was legit sponsorship. They were talking and there was the whole thing. Good fuck those guys. It's like it listen. There's some there's some time travel about to happen. I'm just getting back to where i was in the past when i get to where i was wasn't passed all you fuck. New guys are going to have some problems. We're gonna have you put the ball through my legs. All you want. Let's say keeps drops drops fifteen oh yeah and then he played a little dirty unheated arm hooks real hard legit arm hood stuff doing street ball that you can't do when you're actually like in a real game but oh you got a lot of holding a lot of holding dude. I got so there were two leagues when we were kids besides school so there was slam and jam which was the better league in there was the why which was more like the chill league just for fun and i remember people who do that. Shit at the white and i would get so pissing one time. This dude brandon came up and i don't remember what he did. It was something like that. He locked me up pretty good and i just stopped playing thing like i had the ball stopped playing grab the ball turned around and just fucking huck did at him through and i got a technical foul and they're what are you doing and i was like i'm over this. Did he's not playing fair. It was too much guy. It's like you get away with a little a bit of that stuff. Whatever threshold yeah you know so. It was like one of those things and he was. He's a dude like he was feeling himself. Furniture taylor bill yourself when you're like guy. It's easy not easy but it's easier. He probably plays there every week. He plays all the we know. He's on his home what he does. He plays basketball yeah. He plays basketball for sure. He plays basketball but it's all good did it was a good opener was good. Start future sure you're not gonna play professionally. That ship has sailed the ship. Is i mean you get better chance of getting struck by lightning than making it to the recent not good. It's not good for any of us. The good news was that he played harder defense in hyde or anything on me than anybody else which means that he was like an even said. He's that kitchen store. Dude better watch out because he could tell i had it but i didn't have it couldn't do it better watch out. He did anybody else there. Josh wilbur came wilbur played d. two college ball. Did he really yeah for just a quick minute and you can tell that he could he could play. He looks steeped. He's like tall tall. He's aziza athletic. Did he's just out of shape really. He is not a shooter. He's not a three ball shooter. He's like he's like tall. He gets to the whole got. Jumper got a good jumper <hes> but just that he was just out of shape which happens you just get tore up and it was hot. That night was hot. He's like on that chuck level or just wouldn't expect it and then he court where he runs because i've only seen him at like at like you know one on one king of the hill at the school chuck what you got to chuckle as off on down for you to shoot on him. He won't let you drive on them. Yeah yeah so that's why i'm like gotta shots. You gotta get shot yeah. Sorry sorry better guard me. I was one hundred percent on my step back off the glass driving left and then stepping extending back and doing a jumper off the glass four for four on those. That's a great dude. You've got that that's a good shot. It's pretty and i'm like that's not even my shot but that's what i was shooting so you're fucking looking played basketball. I just haven't recently yeah fifteen damn years i just i'm a professional somebody i used to be. Somebody need approval title. I was a starter. I worked in the docks so anyway. That's the update on us so i got one more week. That's pretty much it. We've got got many fun things happening here at the cafes and the coffee shops and the places to be christian coffee. I drink coffee. I had ten ounces of copy yesterday and i was pretty jittery off of of it. Your brain was so ready. It was so well. I mean i didn't i dunno. I kinda for granted. No caffeine you know no chocolate. No oh no nothing for the month and then i just hit it with announces. The coffee and i was kind of vibe and i was pretty juice. You get creative minded minded. You get too much mind. It was meeting mind so super super high energy for the meeting got it heralds like are you okay ian who's loving and he was having a good time or meeting yesterday. Today was sick as fuck. It was so tight 'cause ian still on boarding so he's sitting in on everybody else's meeting yeah so the climax of the meeting was in carroll sam and myself and we were all just going down the rabbit hole. We actually opened up. Carol can appealed a little bit and then ian and samantha were asking about copy stuff. Our old pictures sam old pictures of us and i have this folder on my computer. That's the coffee history starting in two thousand six so we're looking through all these old pictures and i was just kinda. Tell stories of this is when this this happened. This is when that came to be and they were so into it as i tell me if this is weird because i'm sitting here for a half hour just literally talking about about myself but it's industry perspective and its history of the brand all that stuff comes along with it and they never seen the brief sculptures and setups right. We're looking at some of the competition. Setups formats drinks yeah the whole kit dude it was it was super fun. Yep people need to <hes> yet and put it on the live. I like that yeah just a cool opportunity. You just kinda came up so i was like all right. We'll just go down this rabbit over a little bit well. We just take it for granted because we were so close close. You forget that people are interested in hearing about how that all worked and went because it's a lot different now than it was then and things change because of the things that happened and then it's pretty interesting yeah. There was no coffee industry before us. Actually everyone was just wandering around with the life. They're actually wasn't electricity before we came to the game. Turn everything everything on. Do you have any pictures serving my dad in l._a. I did not there's no pictures of that too bad anywhere. There's no video that there's no anywhere. It's the thing i'm the most proud of it doesn't exist anywhere that means. We probably should tell the story yeah more right now or i mean you could tell it now all but william even in our cat i mean if you want. I don't know maybe it's <hes> maybe we'll do. An episode showed about barista competitions weaned just do all about our seasons of and we can kind of tell talk about our influences in competition regression dot process us and where that came from we could start we could do that and then tie it back in because a lot of those at least for me a lot of the way i prepare for that is it's kinda the same way that i prepare for business yeah teaching yeah we do all that whatever we haven't really done any episodes john breese competitions anyway so like spit out a little bit here and there yeah i used to do some little do some little things i do have one corrections nations corner hit with correction episode on the beach great. We're talking about co ops. We were talking talking about leadership and i asked a question to chuck. We're talking about the idea that co-op could exist where everybody's kind of like a partner partner in the cafe and everybody that's the employees like wins. Everyone sharing equal and i asked well. Why don't we do it like like that. Right and charles fired back. He's a why don't you. Why do you think we didn't do it like that right and i gave the answer. There's not true. I gave the answer that was to have cultural impact. It's nice to have a company of scale and we knew we wanted to be bigger than just one or two cafes and i don't believe that at all. I believe that eh small movements can't affect culture. I believe that you don't have to be a big company to affect the way people think are the way people do things. That's totally not true. I don't even know why i said that. I think i just felt pressure on the fly to go along with the conversation and the the other so that's the caveat of what i said about culture which you can start huge movements small. I mean that's why we did everywhere else at the beginning or sure with all the benefits and stuff right and the other thing is like why didn't we do that. I actually don't believe that it works yeah. I don't think so. I think people need leadership. There needs to be that too yes for sure. They're like the classic co op model where everyone's an owner yeah no. It doesn't really work because i because i'm struggling to figure out a way to if we actually believe that that would work yeah. Why wouldn't we do it because it would put everyone everyone around us who works for us in a better position financially. I think we will in the future but it'll be the people who decide to have earned equity in our company so that's-that's tiered leadership though you know what i mean yeah it'd be like if all the people in the long-term wanted just like run one in crush it for a while <noise> well. No actually what i'm saying is say two three years from now kristen and tanner and whoever's earned equity at this point. It was like dude. Let's give it a go and see what would it feel like just like crush a cafe game. It wouldn't be the same though oh that's fine yeah yeah that makes sense but that's not really you're right everybody. Nobody does need leadership. I think in a perfect idealistic world that could work but the thing is is that takes everybody to be a self starter self motivator. It's highly critical of themselves and completely just driven to make an experience epic all the time and to figure out problems and i think we've started to see that when people often think they want that until it starts happening like damn. This is so much harder than you'd expect or it. Just takes more thought yeah so i guess the caveat is i do think it would work. It would just take their ten of the right people and usually those people are not in the same place at the same time could be perfect storm yeah yeah. I feel like more often than not you end up with. Let's say you have a bunch of hard. Chargers end up with a lot of ego. Oh and personality conflict on one end or on the other end you end up with the bird scooter model. Which is you see birds. Just fucking can littered everywhere in every major city because no one owns them right. They're just communal things that no one's actually taking care of the things that need to happen and being like like hey. We need to do this and other. These are the things that are going to push us forward. Everyone's just like we're together. It's the google bike in seattle and like yeah. I know someone's going to write in. It's sure there are co ops that exists but ones that are having huge cultural change that are true true. Co-ops like true co ops you no you could do which is almost you could actually do equal ownership but pay you specific pay contribution different to the to the job title the end of the year draw on profit could be equal across everybody but you're paid during the year based on leadership could be higher based on the responsibilities you take on the cafe or company and that that's how some companies role where everybody could be the owner but it does i mean that's just a way could theoretically work where everybody gets the boost but that's essentially another word for profit sharing sometimes too. That's kind of like a profit. Sharing could be yapping offing. If you committed to one hundred percent of the profits going back to the people yeah and then operationally it is still a co fill up our standard leadership model. Let's say we took our situation. We don't take draws ownership. We we're on alary. Sorry you wanna call it so yeah. You could split. I think you could totally split the profits evenly. Yeah i think that could actually actually work that. That might be the clear path towards something crazy like that that could happen yeah and paying for paying job yeah yeah right back actually i it's hard yeah. Usually people's work is an equal. All you know for that true. I don't know what you want to call. The true split contribution equality split et anyway. I just wanted to clarify my stale. I will not have people quoting me. It would not be talked about that. We had somebody right in and say some nice stuff on so i was just because we're still trying to get people to subscribe rate and review review. You know what i'm saying. We had a real nice. One says read it real quick. I wanna i wanna hear it. This is from master crackle so he you master crackles tackles like first crackle dude. I don't know but he said this podcast is evolved. Actually they 'cause. I don't actually know who that is. That was unfair. There's a day are they are the master crackle. This podcast has evolved since beginning and i love it there early. Episodes are great and provide a ton of information providing regarding coffee and coffee roasting quenched. All the coffee needs needs quenched. That's a good word as the business grew education leadership seeped into the podcast topics transition personal growth team structures this employee sustainability ability customer service wholesale development who so many great concepts thousand quote ceiling there also the raw conversations than genuine people that make it so good. I loved the values. This company holds and hope to reflect learn from the podcast in my life so thank you master crackle. I just wanted to make sure that that were doing right by recognizing those who subscribe right interview because i appreciate y'all we love it. We need it. It keeps us you know pushed up towards the top where more people can find us in here about us in that ultimately is one way that we can change the way the world does business here how we do it and here are struggles and other we're humans and so i love the connection dude i i sent i've been sending postcards and cards to people blank cards been drawing pictures sending them out to people. Both i've had good experiences with. I got one back because there was no mail receptacle. Okay lia lee chu. She's the designer in in house artists that coffee bar okay reno some in the bay. She spent like a half hour talking with us about branding and design and just kind of marketing yup yep. I was like that was a really cool experience. I don't know if you listen to podcasts. I send it out and i got a return to sender says there's no mail receptacle at the coffee bar ristori so we'll get you like that. Since we're shouting out i'll just shout out there. Does your shout out talk about branding. She's an award winner. I can't remember the award. It's like eight eight a._d._h._d. Award dude hyperactive disorder. I have that so good do that when that a lot a lot a lot it's not the actual. It's not the actual word that isn't the actual but we just got back from l. A. we did a weekend which was good planning and we could just continue the shots but also talk about experiences because we decided to splurge on haircuts as you saw maybe in our little u._2. Instagram not youtube we went to the barbershop club. Barbershop club saw woody and michelle michelle had just like one of the most revitalizing revitalizing nice experiences that i've had all over a nice haircut and good conversation yeah. I'm super glad we went so i had looked at that place the last last time i was in l. a. and i told jimmy that i wanted to go but it wasn't in the cards right then because there's a little pricey yeah so it's a seventy dollars haircut for dude which is pretty expensive offensive for double normal haircut yeah and but it looks so one of my favorite things is getting my haircut outta town like when we go to seattle i like book a haircut right everywhere. You go book a haircut. When mark and i went to new york the first thing we did we off the plane. We booked haircuts. Haircuts booked walked in boom barbershop. Feel so so good yeah every time fresh up the love it so. I'm glad that everyone was like yeah. We should totally do this and then the place. I mean it's amazing yeah aesthetically. It's like an old timey barbershop. It's in a brick building at the normandy hotel two chairs small small and gosh where where to even start so that was all. I knew about this. It looked like it was the place that i wanted to be. It looked like it was a really well thought out establishment and get a good haircut and appointment only know walking appointment. Only no walk-ins doors locked before we got there. That's all we kind of knew about got it going in and when we got there it was a whole different things so they they have another room in the back. It's a space for mental gentlemen's health and to explore like modern masculinity they do self help and self improvement workshops. Yeah they offer they just this year added a therapist to their staff on staff so you can go in book a haircut and in the literally have a therapy and our therapy session you can book a nap app and then you can go up for a nap and a massage afterwards and like treat yourself to a dude's day yeah they had a total package which was like a haircut straight razor shave massage and nap yeah. It's like a spa or guys but not in a corny yes spa way. No it was fully and even just the conversation with woody. Michelle was straight up like it was about life and taking care of yourself and then also just learning about each other and it ended up being a really neat thing. There's less the places in the world that align values wise with us than i expected to and so it was really need to do this guy is speaking our language third generation in that family to with that place and it was just it was a really cool thing i mean he's got his own fragrances on his own not frigging zone aftershave and like hair product outta their sponsored by was it cognac or no yeah and anyways so we're we sent out some coffee to them just to say thank you because it truly truly was like we were all pretty exhausted. We've been using our brain talking about how we're gonna affect our business and we talk about that law. Just we needed to get outta town to talk about our approach and our attack plan moving from that day forward essentially together and honestly i was dead tired. I was like this haircut and then i wanna take a nap happened left that haircut like kind of a wake and ready to go for the rest of the day and it was i sure just the way they take good care. You get a little little scotch. A little the good conversation it was in a great haircut obviously and it was the best and honestly i walked away thinking we were having the conversation before with alex exponential who you've probably listened to his second episode before this one probably came out last week. We were talking about experiences and money. We're talking about the jiro dreams of sushi documentary and you know food the cost three hundred dollars haircut the cost seventy dollars. I don't know if i i don't know i don't i know i can do seventy dollars. Haircut is the haircut going to be that much better and it's not really about the haircut at that price point. The haircut has to be fantastic sick. He did crush the haircut. He crushed a haircut. You have to deliver but i walked away. Thinking seventy bucks is a bargain for what we just got. Yeah you for what you feel like. You're essentially paying massages. It's basically the same feeling. I mean you're paying yeah. You're paying for a place to express whatever feelings you want in a non judgmental atmosphere around people people who get it that is super rare especially for guys who aren't really great at sharing their feelings. Yeah homeys like he's a dad. He's a surfer curry's. A athlete dude is like he's like what are you. What are they called the renaissance man where you do everything he's definitely definitely a renaissance man got had style. We'll have like super style. He had wisdom and he was real to. It wasn't just like he wasn't the guy who had all the answers. He was talking about his stuff to a little bit he opened opened up and it was it was pretty nice yeah anyway yeah. How did we even get there. I'll just talking about being in l._a. It's talking about being in l. A. me the experiences. That was the highlight of my my trip. I was peeking on that was super dope and then just getting to talk some. It's easier for me to open up outside of santa cruz go for whatever reason we're here which means his work is like touching you. Basically it feels like there's a little more breathing room to be more open and and and really dig a little bit deeper. Yeah i'm with you. That's all it definitely works for me i have to i mentioned out of town. I was like if we wanted to get big project on the best s. thing for me to do. It'd be a town where i don't really know what to do and where that means. I'm focused on like only doing what's in front of me and then i go eat food and then come back to the thing in food and come back to a thing yeah. It's nice to have the recovery phase so we do our meetings on friday mornings or whatever and there there are a few hours long but sometimes i feel feel right when we're getting to the apex we gotta go. We gotta go yeah and we all have other stuff to do three days. In a row out of town no distractions actions will we'll have a branch or like a lunch and we'll reach that apex yeah we can either choose to keep going or we can set it aside adver thirty go to exercise immediately reconvene and you just spin the wheel more there. You can get so much more accomplished. I had the same feeling when we went to new avalon beach. Tell one day chunk on the beach. We got three weeks of talking in a week's worth of work done and we've committed to doing more time during our week together. Which is something came out of this weekend but even so those off sites that we do when we plan for them and we a plan for what we need to get done really are super super valuable. I mean even when we went to you know vineyard seven and eight even though like we didn't plan as well you still come away with so much more energy than if you don't learn a lot from that one even considering we didn't plan as much yeah. We learn how to plan an offsite. We learned that we like. We learned it. We didn't put any work into play. We learned that we like do what we've seen. Other people do and it's actually really not that good well. Yeah i mean actually. I don't even think that's it. I think we i think we had really good ideas about what to do. I don't think we honored it. I don't think we took it seriously seriously yeah i think i don't think any of us walked into that thinking. This is the way to do an offsite. We had some revelations and some of the podcast you found afterwards the help clarify a little bit but i think if we're being honest with ourselves we can look in the mirror and be like we didn't spend near enough time. We just set a date on the calendar line you days before we're like. Oh put something together here we are. We are gonna go which brings me to a alex. Can i talk about value on the podcast super tight conversation that i had with alex yesterday and you had with alex yesterday and you talk to me a a little bit about it and you're kind of adjusting to this new thing where you're works almost more ethereal. It's less us task based and you don't have as much or gearing to not have as much interaction with his big of a team of direct reports kind of feels lonely sometimes no for show. It feels like there's an emptiness and alex who's working on some things to express kind of the same thing to me. Hey can. I talk to you kristen today too. I feel like come kind of feeling alone. I was like dude. Los lonely boys were here. We are all in a club together but when i look at how so we've done off sites in the past even how we're trying our best to get ahead of the curve but we're still even behind the ball for this staff meeting. That's gonna come up up right having that free time. Hopefully you're gonna give us the freedom to attack some of these things in addition to some of the stuff. We have planned which we can't talk about yet because we have to talk to the staffers. That's true but to do it together. Though it's a nice little to do together to really make it really make pop you. Oh right. I mean if planning offsite that could easily be a two week lead in to making a perfect and really getting the longer making sure the energies. They're like these are big projects. You know especially for the first one wherever we identify. I don't know if we wanna use some kind of template or certain structure it but it's a big job and we have been respecting it not because we don't want to do because we've been doing all kinds of stuff well. You know it's funny. I think it comes in steps because i think what we have done. A good job of getting better at is like the first step which is okay. We've actually started getting better at planning for just like meetings and being being ahead of the game and being like okay. Here's we're gonna talk about in our meetings coming up where i think still a lot of people that day just roll into meetings and then like figure it it out once they're they're so like step. One is like actually getting good at preparing. I'm not saying we're not even that good. We're not bad yeah but we're not that good so this is actually the point. I'm trying to make is this. One of the things i've been thinking about that. I love for us to work on. Teaching people in the future is preparing for something so that you actually we are ready to talk about something. That's actually important to versus going in and being reactive to what comes up and so that's something that's a long time for me to learn for one and i love planning. Some people are more naturally good at planning but to actually think about what you're going going to do tomorrow or today in the stuff. We talk about all the time in terms of time. Management is one part of it. The other part is actually like physically being like okay tomorrow at the meeting i want to because it's the most important thing based on our values and the things i wanna talk about this this and this and just like think about how you're going to approach that so when you get to the meeting you're ready go for sure and that even is something that i think you and i have gotten the shipton better at since we started this business for one and now it's the next level it's like. How do we do that for for a project. It's like a three day project or like a four hour project. That's our own which is basically like triple to quadruple the amount of planning in time as it would take to just plan for seir meetings you know and that that's just something that i'm gonna put out into the ether for everybody is if you don't find yourself actually thinking about planning planning for tomorrow or planning for say you're going to have an interview like thinking about the things that are important to you so that you can not not necessarily just be reactive but how authentic answers or if you're going to go into meeting a new person to talk about the future or something you brought up the other day with somebody who's designing wanting to come up with their own position and just like oh yeah. I'm just thinking about what would be a cool position that i like and you're like what about coming up with a position that benefits the whole whole that's not just benefiting your your abilities only taking it up. You know what i'm saying like thinking about that stuff and getting deeper will allow you to come up with the more comprehensive clear approach to whatever the thing is. You're trying to get into it also allows you to be more in the moment because let's say you go into a meeting. You don't prep for you. Don't know what's going to happen. You get hit with all kinds of shit all of a sudden. You're thinking on your feet. You are forced to go and all these different directions so that's using a a bunch of brains base. If you take the time prepare for a meeting for an interview whatever it is you have an agenda. You know you're controlling a certain amount of what's going to happen right. You can relax and be more in the moment and feel these things you you can feel more like yourself instead of feeling like you're trying to herd cats the whole time totally. It's yeah i mean we're talking with wilbur. Ross wilbur came through from caffeine import shot out you saw him on our instagram stuff potentially a little while back but he was even talking about you know now he gets up and it has a cup of coffee and he prepares for his day because you can't roll into meetings cold and that's something that everyone can do for them easily. The fuck does that anyway do so many more people than we'd been out of your fucking mind. Do they get up. They put their clothes on. They run out the door and then they they start their shift fifteen minutes later. I've never done that not saying that. I'm like great at everything always like i'm usually for meetings and stuff because oh dude if someone asked me to a meeting and they don't have their shit together like all those meetings that we used to go to like why am i here. We're not doing anything. We're just here to compound compound that labor. There's eight people room for an hour. That's not one hour of labor. That's eight hours of labor a whole day a whole shift right yeah you know what what i'm saying and of your most expensive people and it just spins in everyone's just like sitting there with like the meetings like oh my god. I can't deal yeah. That's why i get so self conscious. When i feel like we haven't done our best to prepare because i have empathy for people who are sitting there being like. Who are these clowns right. You're telling me to come in at seven o'clock. I have the day off and they're stammering through these ridiculous updates that don't have anything to do with me. Yeah like that's rude. Super rude to you got yeah. You know what i'm saying. That's why we want to put all the time in totally all of that. I'm excited about it even decaf even decaf. I swear to god. I'm getting placebo so from this right now. I'm fucking turned up guys. I'm here to turn this thing out need coffee anymore. You just need to think that i have coffee and then that's that's it. I mean the other thing is hating me so much. Stop messing with my blend do so. I have the winning blend okay. You didn't even win anything with your blend. Is there more blended drink anyway. Is there more blend over there. Grace lin bruso blend champion blend. I'll so oh yeah oh yeah you know. The other thing is though you were talking about when you're not prepared and you get into meetings and you feel like you're reactive the whole time and you're just like on edge whether you're the kind of person who feels that way when there's like conflict or like direct questioning at meetings something else i think that's really important is for you to be able to respond positively without saying yes or no so for instance yeah so like here's ah good example sometimes as an owner. I'll hear something i'll be like hey could you try this or try that and people's immediate response bonds is a yes or no binary answer whereas an owner actually don't need either of those things. I need somebody to be like oh. That sounds interesting. I don't know if that's gonna work. Let me try some ideas and get back at you and then take ownership on like following up and circling back because really what we're all doing. He is working as a team and yeah you're going to have bosses and leaders who have ideas those ideas at least specifically speaking for me and i think probably chris would agree degree. They don't need to happen exactly how i talk about them unless i literally say i need this to happen how this works oftentimes what i'm trying to do and we're trying to do as leaders peters is improved situation or improve a system or atis system. That's missing and your job isn't necessarily to say yes or no. It's not gonna work. Your job. Bob is to try some things out and come back with some information. Be like here's what will work based on what you're talking about. Here's what won't work and here's why i tried this and to be able to allow yourself the freedom to say let me give some of this ago and get back to you is actually the best answer versus like yes and failing or no oh because you haven't actually considered anything you just assume you have all the answers in your head and that's something i've recently tried to lean into a lot more and i know we've talked about not saying yes but i'm trying to go even a step further and almost allow you to paint a picture of you can still respond positively without saying yes it or no and attempts to lean into whatever the thing is that on the table. How give a practical example like windows in real life was a time when you said well. Let's i mean maybe not a specific example but there was talk of like we're starting to get into like giving tips at the cafe and i'm like hey. Could you start collecting pro tips because i wanna make sure one that if a prototype is actually a system that's not written into some of our training that we can make it a repeatable one too. If it's appropriate for specifically for the store that the person who's giving this protest tip who lives it out the best it doesn't die with them and whatever you know like sony and it was like oh man that's gonna be a lot actually works going to be extra training if we add it to this and that and i'm like you're thinking of all the possible scenarios right now. All i really need is for you to give it a to just give it a go and see what happens and and like you can totally right. I might be wrong. It might be like all that's actually the training tracker and i'm calling something a pro tip. That's actually just the training right. You know and just it's like. I'm the owner of the company three steps removed from those training scenario so until we can clearly either be on the same page with language judge or know that we are missing. Some protests will actually help everybody or know that it's something that we miss our training tracker. That should be there and trained. I actually don't have an answer and so the person who wants to make sure we have repeatable either systems or cultural touch points wants wants to make sure that we're not just doing one offs here and there and that somebody which we've all been there is the best that something so they're the one who teaches it and then it goes away as soon as they go away away forever. I don't happen so that's that's a cultural thing and there was like oh man. I don't think that's gonna work and it's like maybe maybe not. That's not the answer. We need to have right now. The answer is more like let's see what happens yeah. They might be gnarly. It might be way too much work but let's let me explore that for a week and get back to you and see how it goes. Where do you draw the line on. Let's see what happens. Let's say a with cafe they could have a like a million ideas yeah and if there was a marching orders for each and every every one of them that might be too much so how how do people feel empowered to say no and it's actually in their best interest to say like this is too much right now. You have got to trust me on that one well. I think if you're able to say no this is too much for me. That's okay as long as it's not. No and i'm never gonna. It's no this is too much for me. I don't even know if it's a good idea but i hear you you and respect the idea so let can we circle back in like a month because i want to finish the and that's where you need to be prepared right as somebody coming to the meeting you need to prepare and be like i need to finish finish a few of these things that are really beneficial to our culture that maybe outweigh this right now also back in a month because to me in the context of bringing on like twenty new people in the last month or two slightly exaggerating but not much what's more important than making sure that the baseline ace line education and training is there at and that's just my mind. There's other stuff. That's really important but you know what i'm saying like. That's where my mind goes like well. If there's something they can get off the table for ever and you don't have to hold it in a pro tip world whether that's the right answer or not it seems like it could actually go towards the top of the list of like. Let's get that off the table and not rely on call it everardo or call it a abell downtown one person in our company who can train that so you know it's it's just being able to speak with clarity about your reasoning and being able to defend yourself in a way where it's not like oh. My boss is making me do stuff. It's more like i'm being proactive with the things that are really important and i have a really sound plan that i've thought out and if you're being proactive and i can see that it's a proactive plan. I'm actually actually happy as all hell for to be couched democ sense. I think so. It's not super clear because i wouldn't. It's it's case by case for me like if it's obvious that that idea comes in the context of well my focus you still need to bring on five more people said orientational finish a coordinator training so that's really really busy. I'm like yep that makes accents. Couch it right or the answer. Is that seems really hard and i don't know it's like extra work so it almost sounds like you're saying it's exciting to you. You and people are more open to the possibility of exploring things whether or not they're going to do them right now but not shutting them down as ideas right away even if they're not necessarily going to do them yes like almost like preaching an open mindedness so to speak yeah. It's like being open to yup yep. It's being open to using that critical brain even if you're not going to fully implementing see through the system right now to at least know that you're going to consider thinking thinking about something that's outside of the current realm potentially right yeah. They've just consideration open. Mindedness is what you said but open-mindedness is extremely extremely important to me. In the context of growing business fresh air you get stuck in the ways we all know our defaults just to go back to operating in doing and like checking off lists because that's what the world has taught us for our basically entire upbringing so if you take at school all you have to do is memorize it and fill it out and and then you get an a that's not how good business in culture will ever ever ever work. That's how you repeater system and that's absolutely important totally so that's really what i want. I'd like my whole goal. Is i only know that because there's some bosses who will ask for engaging those kinds of conversations every day yeah. I think you should try this out. Oh maybe we could roll that into this. Maybe we could do that into this and then maybe this could happen onto this and the employees like dude i cannot there's is absolutely no way that i can think about all that stuff and even though you say that we don't have to do it right now yeah just voicing it and putting it out there. I feel its weight on me. Yeah i can feel the pressure or whatever so in the pri pri when we had j. rey come on. I was more like bat and actually the week before he came on. I started recognizing that and i put it together in the thing we all talked about it in a little keynote for the squad but what happens now is is is actually not me leading it and throwing out all the ideas. It's more response to like so that exact example. Oh came out of what we're doing. This thing where people are starting to talk about their tips and i'm like that's a one off right. Let's make sure that's not a one off unless you're only can be like flying a flag offering a suggestion yeah because i'm running. I'm running the show specifically a lot less because tanner and kristen and the team leaders and alex in grace are all running their own shows where to supporting and i do give direction in the one on ones and then they decide what's best for the next moves and that yeah you're there for your insight yeah that totally makes but we're not even talking about you specifically. I'm just talking yeah bosses in general no good yeah yeah. I mean all i definitely will own. That's that was like my default for the first year and a half of our company all the and i still have all the ideas that keep more of them in check and then in turn which is crazy because you still have more going out there than so if someone just met you they wouldn't be like this. Guy's got his ideas and check. Maybe like this. Guy's got a lot of ideas there. Yeah somebody was like i feel like the song sandstorm is just consistently playing your yesterday and i was like what is that song. I don't even know and i was like nah. It's more like math rock flight at a bumblebee. I don't know if it's that one either say <hes> you. I'll find a song play for you. Guys and you can be like oh that one. That's the one it's like one of those. <hes> polly songs kind of like a policy like my homes yeah. It's like the secret stole here we go. I'm gonna i'll put it on for the people. I'll give shots as the secrets stolen right now. I don't i get that album. I can't and get anywhere. They have one on spotify. Where's the other one. The other ones better dude. I know how to put them all up again. Actually the other one is straight bangers. I really all on spotify. I now know they're not in the net out there listening to his son. It's really rare that your friend's band is good. You know here. It is on that my brain pretty good at this school. All i'm gonna listen to this today. All right there was they are cameron. You're on the internet. Shoutout to cameron ak- yoga beats music. You're out there and yoga all my other friends nolan. Who's in dili bono. You're gonna listen put off yeah do john billy billy's in a band called decades. It's actually doing pretty well. They do like the remix songs of old school stuff live. It's really they're pretty awesome anyway playing at the catalyst this weekend. Let's go see you yeah and i think they actually did get some more real like numb. More real catalysts israel actually they're not atrium yeah probably able to play main hall aw as like a middle middle not opener but middle. That's it yeah. That's dope anyway that you guys are a little guitar riff. Get after it and doing stuff. Let's do it on the big speakers. Did you had at that. I don't be so sad so leave it in you need them to know my brain. Carol loves music. She don't even she might listen to them. Even shoes worms is like chambery alpha yesterday. It was so dope sham bray shoes. She's looking fresh should we should we anything else before we get out of here. You know i was trying to think of something really cool to say i don't i don't know i don't know what to say. I mean there were nuggets. I got nothing. There's there's a lot of cool always cool. Shit shea going on you know i. I don't know there really is. I'm really excited to be in the rosary. I've got a good energy lately. There's a good energy in the gym. That's just me saying nothing yeah. We got a meeting with alex frye globo jim. We're better than you know it just book. She it up you know oh. I think we need to have a funny podcast where i can just talk about stuff. That's totally inappropriate. Nope why because the listenership the soft after years of the people are weird okay when i can't even post about kids without losing followers so we can't do it here. I mean you're gonna lose. Followers no matter what. I don't think anybody can post anything without losing bowlers. I made that's true but there's specific things you post too much about real life stuff. Why why do you think you lost followers from. What did i put my hands like weird water. Why do you think you lost followers from posting kids. People hate it when you put certain posts about kids and your family. It's just how it is. They talk about it. It's pretty open feedback. Oh no they won't get feedback. They follow oh. What do you mean they talk about it. Though oh i see people all the time it's like jokes on the internet twitter all over the plays. Oh talk about your kid kids across the two things that people joe n vegans those three things like the three yeah. I think they're degan cross bit kids. Your instagram instagram is interesting because it's <hes> combination of your personal life your work life and and some of your other beliefs so you've probably probably got people a good portion of people who follow you just for coffey because you're a person in the coffee industry and that's all they want to see the via yeah so as soon as they're like dude. Stop talking about kids. I thought it was just going to be coffee. I was looking at youtube comments and someone literally literally wrote. I thought this is going to be more about coffee yeah and one of the other i forget i'm blanking on his name was like he's got a lot of videos about things. That don't don't have anything to do with coffee. That's coffee if you want but it's it's way more rich than that and i think this is gonna be people like that. No matter what your you all right all right. It's it's a funny anything but i think if you it's just like the niche thing it we're not. We're in a big niche here on this thing but i think i don't you know you know we know that we censor each ourselves in and say this is. This is where i was going to go so you talk about the the kids following. That's one thing that's not software is when i got into coffee at the i was really attracted to because it seemed like it was a place where you could actually have open dialogue. Everything that i've really dug into in life has revolved around the idea of at the time. Some sort of a counterculture ish thing which specialty was when we were getting into this big thing like these coffee shops coffee shops were places where people can meet and talk about anything goes and and for the most part like ninety nine point nine percent people who partook in that culture and also worked at these copy houses were open to talking about. Oh yeah it's the place where like like you know. Your brain could really run. Wild anything goes yeah whether or not they agreed with you. It doesn't matter and that's the the beauty of conversation because if you're having a really intense conversation a lot of times you're gonna be coming from opposing viewpoints right and that doesn't only build understanding but it makes you think about things in different ways and it doesn't mean you have to hate each other but coffee or the vocal portion of especially coffee industry. I have come <hes> to see is like one of the most sensitive groups of people that i've ever seen in my life. Oh yeah there's there's so so many people who supported what we do and i can't think that enough but there's so much industry that almost feels like they're so incredibly fragile like too fragile to even even exist in in life that i just don't. I don't like i don't like it. I don't like talking on the microphone phone worrying. If i'm going to say something wrong and yell us about like at the and i think i used to care more like a a year or two ago. Yeah i kind of carry a little bit less less because i think for the most part the people the people that know know who we are. They know what our intentions are. They know that like the stream of good and positively right. I want everyone to kick ass. Oh for sure i'm saying i want everyone to be a fucking winner like i wanna be a champion for people who haven't heard i i want wants young people to feel empowered through work and their lives in general like that's like one of my biggest. 'cause i never felt. I didn't feel that way a lotta right. It's only when i found these little places where i thought i could thrive was when i started feeling good so to see people shutting down conversation bums me out well. That's so like like for me. I'm like okay. I wanna i wanna like respect this like not exactly family friendly show because we cuss a fair amount but like you know i i would like to respect that and and then like i listened to a lot of these comedy podcast right and a lot of things they talk about which is hilarious to me and i'm not a comic but i would be. I'd say i love aboard. They talk about a lot is that comics get to say like walk these lines because it's funny and people understand that it's funny and know that the comic it doesn't necessarily mean it right whereas like we can't do that in this podcast even though i wish and whatever i don't even necessarily need two different topics but i love the dislike have those random podcasts where you just go off and say stuff that like you say late in the night when it's just like you and your buds just cracking up about stuff that you think is hilarious that you're like like playing out movie scenes in your head that are literally would never happen that are really funny to think about that are absolutely inappropriate if it was real and laugh together because i used to be in a world where i was surrounded by people who are funny all the time and let's be real coffee industry. Y'all aren't funny anymore yeller serious up and i i actually hate it. There are funny people in the industry but there are far less funny dude. It used to be funny. There used to be so much laughter in specialty coffee because of all the reasons mostly because you're right less fragility it's and it was and and it was and the world needs more laughter and it needs more funny needs more fun and in order for that to work a lot of times you need people to be able to say stuff that is like accidentally inappropriate knowing that they don't mean anything about it or just like to be able to reframe conversations and be like yeah if i were to watch that movie out actually laugh at it but because it's chris saying it's not funny johny anymore because it's chris and like he's somebody in the somebody dick and now he's a dick and i don't necessarily even know what i want to talk about but i know that there's stuff that you and me and chuck laugh about that. It's like well. Nobody could ever hear us say stuff like that because they're going to just assume terrible. So what do you think would happen if we did that here. If if we decided to record a podcast next as we got together and just said whatever we want man what do you think would happen. I love to hear what people i would say. I mean all depend on what we said. Well we sa- yeah mode. I mean is like people would just blow out of proportion because they'd be like you said that that's a i mean i'm honestly going on. What people do currently is like. You said that's this is who you are. That's basically what they do and they don't come see who you are. They just like tell everybody. This is who you are. You are and then start a rumor and then tell especially coffee industry that this is who chaired ruby is because i read an email once you know something of the sort yeah i mean i. I think it's i yeah when you don't show up like i don't go to places as much so that people don't get to actually know who i am but they see all these other people then all takes people who show up more than me and then it's true because perception's reality yeah but here's the thing. Do you think people actually think that way because i don't think that that's true. I think anybody is even and halfway. Paying attention knows that you are a good person at heart and rank care more about other people than most other people will ever like. Probably you're you're. You're probably one of the most kind people i know generally want other people to do well. I think that's a hundred percent true and anyone who's paying attention thinks that too. I think what you have windows windows like bubble. Upset happened where people were. It seems like people aren't going against jared. I think what you have is an incredibly vocal small number of people. That's probably they don't think the industry as a whole thinks. The jared is an asshole not anybody who's met me. I don't think it ever happen. I think we recorded that podcast yet. It's like however however many thousands of people listen to the podcast. They're probably be fifteen. People who are like fuck those guys never listen again and there will be some whoa that's house brain works. I mean very funny. I mean there's a difference between thought process. I guess we could do it and edit it and there's a difference between thought process and reality meaning. Everybody thinks negative thoughts and i don't even think we're talking about being negative. We're moving pretty positive people are there's things that you would like like. I'm thinking of like a mystery science theater three thousand people in our industry for the things they do not like literally disliking. Bring them down. No make fun out of the situation because some shit goes. Dan rea like dude. That's pretty fucking funny. No one's talking about because they're not allowed to can. We please have just a show where people are talking about ridiculous. Things and i think that's that's why comedy is so important because comedy is an outlet comedy you have that you have that freedom to be honest and in a way that keeps everybody else honest career comedians when they're when they're crafting jokes and pointing out things a lot of times they're pointing out things that are painfully obvious but things that everybody buddy else's already thinking the delivery these it'd be delivered right to be funny but the reason people love it is because large amounts of people can resonate with dude yeah. I think that's super funny it. Doesn't i mean i hate people. I got an idea that i'm not going to talk about right now right now. I think you're going to be down. I'm ready you've already i like. Does anybody want to hear oh. They do not fit radio besides one up the d._m.'s. If you want to hear a podcast of just i put it on itunes and just read it into like the ratings and reviews and be like i'd give it six stars if you only talk more shit about this funny stuff. I think it's dope like if you watch thrasher does escape line. It's the new show. The whole thing is talking shit. Everybody lives and and it's almost like an honor to be made fun of right. You're getting roasted and yeah you're getting roasted and that's what i love so like when like if you're trying to row someone i wanna bring something up and people just kind of take it the wrong way and that that's what i really don't like because again not trying to hurt anyone's feelings but do let's just have a good time decide podcast. I'm ready okay well. It's really rare that your friend's band is good. You know i go eat a food and then come back to the thing thing and food and come back to a thing. I sorta got. I'm getting placebo from this right now. I'm fucking turned up guys. I'm here to turn this thing out. They need approval.

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BREAKING NEWS: Deontay Wilder BREAK SILENCE Reacts to Dillian Whytes KO

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BREAKING NEWS: Deontay Wilder BREAK SILENCE Reacts to Dillian Whytes KO

"Acids intended for mature audiences, the views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For boxing voice. Hey, daddy this adult was. down. Production. With the Input fight. Watch me. I knew eventually I'll have to fight Oscar. Straight. Calm, packing, Tonelli big deal. In fifty majors. You're fighting on the APP. Was Trump. beat. The tables. At the end of the day. Action. What welcome ladies and gents man with three hours. Away from our normally scheduled Sunday. Evening Show but it looks like beyond say well to the bombs. Obama has come out. In broken his silence. And reacted to. dillian whites. Knockout loss at the hands of Alexander. Looks like Deontay. Wilder not only watch the fight. But. It was moving enough to get him to take his social media. Now. There there could be I guess some speculation. As. To whether he is talking directly to white. But I. Think it's safe to say this message was intended for dillion wait across the pond from Brixton in Oh deontay wilder took to his social media, his instagram and I I'll get to that and screen share it real quick. But how's everybody doing welcome back the second livestream of the day. So if you haven't already done so getting subscribe and hit that notification, Belsey get notified every time we go live I mean yesterday we went live around six times for all the live fights that were taken place Today we're talk beyond say wilder and last night's fantastic heavyweight action between Devon. oops dillion and dillion White, and Alexander PEVEC in Russia speaking of Russia. The ONTA- took to his social media. As screen sharing right now and he said I. Believe. In. Gaza right? Well, all Gaza Gyles Xilai GAAS GA guys Hashtag. Bronze, Obama has. To this day. So. If you do a quick gut search galas. Right. Now. Gaza's right translates to. An eye for an eye. Now. Translates to an eye for an eye from Russian to English. So that's where I'm piecing together that's that's that's my indication that this is the anti wild leading dillion white. No, he watched his fight with Russian heavyweight. Alexander Perfection. And No Hey on dylan whatsoever. No. Gloating simply stating an I four nine. And I'm assuming he means you knocked him down peanut throughout. or an eye for an eye and he is taking a shower and he's like I lost. You laws you know. But. If we're not certain. Exactly, what the message means when directed at deleon. In that, it is a message for Dylan. There was only one fighter last night fighting who was from Russia. And You can't make any of the sense of this. Dylan was fighting a Russian dillion Deontay have a history of of of Dillian. You know come in Adam having choice words Deontay having choice words. So it's it's hard for me to believe. That this isn't what Deontay meant. But. Getting past that. We can't really figure out what it means I four nine again is he simply talking about you knocked him down and you were GonNa win any knock you out. Is he talking about you kick me Deontay wilder when I was down when I lost now look at you you lost why is he chooses to say an eye for an eye? Right now at this moment. Again the reason I'm assuming he's directing it at Dylan is because it's in Russian and dealing is the one that for the Russian last night But I have no clue what the message means. When directing it at. Dili away? I for nine. I'm lost. So we're gonNA open up the phone lines and I want you guys to see you know can you come up with? What do you think deontay wilder met. What exactly do you think he met? What is your interpretation? Of his social media. Posts from his verified social media. Yeah. So if you haven't already done, so hit that thumbs up but in this our second time going live at is Sunday. You know. So for all my strictly boxing fans, I'm giving you some some box talk to discuss here you know instead of having to be forced to watch football or any of those other corny sports with any of the other friends who normally do those regular things on Sundays we hit kicking. Talking box and we're talking about mother Russia zone Alexander. PEVEC. In scorn a fifth round knockout of dealing away and now beyond, say breaking that silence coming out and You know giving us a little bit of his mind. What exactly does that mean I don't know but I definitely would love your guys starts it would be amazing if you guys could call in and just give me your opinion on this. Did you know about it? Did you first hear about it here? because if you here, I that's even better because that means that we are. Working Right Hashtag working. but let me get in open up these phone lines. You know the number to call in is right here on the screen. It's always on the screen. It's always in the chat people always ask how do I call in and it's like, don't you see right there that being said it is one four to five, five, six, nine, fifty to forty, one, press one, one time voice your opinion on the voice of people hotline don't forget you can add Nestor Gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation as well. Yeah Man let's let's. Let's see. We figure out this cryptic message. Or we overthinking it is it as simple as it? Is I four nine you laugh that me this is me laughing at you you know. because. We all know Dylan literally got in front of a camera and just laughed. Laughed and laughed and laughed and. and. Scott sports riposted in everybody ran with it. So I four nine is while they were saying in. The Russian language so hard to assume it's not Directed at Dili and is it a shot at Dili? Not I'm not sure but hard do assume it isn't directed at him. Once. 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The I talked to she follows wilder. It's you know I'm a big water fantasy. He say you're finally said so instagram. So I saw that. So yeah, he's talking Danny White is just tell them. You laughing at me now I'm laughing at you you know you're talking all that junk about me lose and I think, Oh, it's funny how he come out a little poke, the vest and all that. So yeah man it's just Karma. Man. Benghazi from calm. You gotTA show another have a right. But let me ask you. Why are you? So sure he talking about dillion. because. Again, you translated like me like you laughing at me, I'm lavertue. But the literal translation means for now, which is more like you know, cross me a cut you. Right. I will you know why didn't get knocked out but you know the stop which I think is more than embarrassment of anything. You know what I'm saying I ain't saying why embarrassed but well. You know what I'm saying that everybody clowning on him now rabbit got to go and everybody's trying to do and that's why I think he might be looking for. I seven four Matt thank you for calling in. Looks like we're going to head on out. To the rest of the phone lines remember you can call in yourself. You WanNa, give us your opinion you can call in at one, four, two, five, five, six, nine, fifty to forty, one, press one, one time voice. Your opinion. Right here on the. Line don't forget. You can add Nesta Gibbs on skype. We going out to. San Francisco Bay area trae what up. A. Not WanNa Talk Shit, but I also WANNA site is remember remember dealing away got by Oscar Rivas? And he got up. He I think he needed Diana Ball to get a ten man i. mean he lied him sadie gloves and dirty this do you know what I mean? I think this was going on with Dylan breath he he was doing good enough that fight in cracked his. So. Hold on a minute. As. A female that that that. No. So many different languages and it's been to so many different places. Why do you think this man chose? The Russian dialect and these specific words to translate to awful and I. I don't really get it. I think he's just. Why not? Give giving. You know. So much when you I, would I'm Petiot. Oh and I picked vacant. I haven't been picking then of the. Stuff none of them poles but I picked vacant on fight if you look at the polls show on. Patriot. Hey Man. That's the only place that account if you picked it on Patriot and if you're just tuning in and you don't know what she's talking about, she's talking about TV's very own fantasy, pick them league where I was. Number two. and. Slip to number four but that's because obviously no one expected dylan white to get. KNOCKED OUT And I pick out more a big island but I'm only I. Only Slip. You see that I was at two in our pick two dudes that loss and I'm only at full. So just remember man when it comes down to saying who did what in WHO's greater at what just remember when my name is that amongst the top. Top Five I ain't slipping under the fifth. I'm telling you right now but shot out to Christine got me your two thousand sixteen TB appreciation night at ten longtime listener patriots supporter always in cut. Overtook that that pro-lee first slot on the leaderboard is no more a whoever was number one number one this week you ain't number one this week but this guy is okay you got an opportunity next week to get yourself right back in the mix we're going out to J. P., in Long Beach California. Less I mean. It's obvious. You Know Deontay the most eloquent fella. But he he saying he's saying it's Karma. He saying it's Karma but I'm GonNa say this I don't like this move. This is a chicken kit move. You asked me because we could never get you to comment and come out and tell us how you feel other than the only time we get to see you as when you work in doing all this kind. Of Weird Shit but we don't get the but you WANNA come out when another man's demise you wanna come out and rub it in his face and celebrate personally don't appreciate that and I wish he could have been a man when he lost and come in hollowed out and being a man about it. So let's kind of taboo chicken ship moved to me. Well all right man voice of the people, there is no equal getting call in one four to five, five, six, nine, fifty to forty seven and get it off your chest man let let let not only Deontay dillion white air by know how it is that you feel man and. How are you? Interpreting this Russian messes. Of. Gaza Zach on translates eye. For an eye we're going out to. Patron. In New Orleans. Jt would. Coburg. Really, ship. Hey Way I wanNA talk to you. His station. Was Up. Of whatever whatever get I disagree with GPO. Most is called when he we say somebody Auntie Wild I don't think. came out to be came out like that. But people taking they won't take but I disagree with P. on it but I for I mean I guess. You came out here, laughing and stuff like that. At me. You know at least water he got stopped, but he stopped on his feet when they throw in the towel this on dealing Wi- second time getting knocked out. Like getting knocked out cold at unrelenting, put their hands and feet on them and stuff like that and he slows. Fook. So I'm just saying like the. Dealing white ain't never been no top top fighter. You know the I ain't going back on. You S you look at him as the top five I went back and watched fight today and I'm like I don't see nothing special with him and I and I see acceded constantly keep happening to him. or He's the clown of the division. There's all of that and Y'all one loss and you go from from interim champion, which is Devon Haney. I hanes instrument your respect him dylan white losers one time to a top ten. Top seven easy easy. Top seven in the world forget sanctioning body and he's a clown. Wow. Okay. This while the gotta so bad man because. You know when it's odd turned, the Koto Syndrome. Member I told you co got treated like a bi in Pacquiao fight someone who was his term He he did a catchweight with Cannella he did a catchweight, Sergio Martinez because because you the same treatment you get, you want that you want to go ahead and replicate that on someone else you know but we're GONNA go ahead and go out to Frankie in the UK what a? What a? Know Much it's actually what the until was being was what goes around comes around on can you believe dealing white is incredibly rude abusive It's okay to talk trash like Aj does deonte. Dole. But they're nice people you know dealing white is not also the last thing let's say that. I don't think he's at the top. Level at all, he cannot beat skilled you know fighters. I could even see that from the first round that not skilled the only way that he was able to win the was due to steroids. Frank what do you think about? The opinion man is the voice of the people. You are the people you voice in it Frankie in the UK. Thank you for calling in going out to pay trian on a road on his way to average Zona. Sur. We're talking about King Bon hailing from Brooklyn. Door disasterous for the position like that know they'll get the boss show. Yes sir. You. Listen Man Hope. You'll nights NAM saying I. Know You reaching today it? KNOWS YOU'RE GONNA have a show at like seven o'clock man. Let's get to admit Yo ino said this Guy Jim thing or Tuesday I was laughing at him about Rebecca might knock out Jelena's why Norm saying only trial. We would this old dame right now a Yo Deontay. Love you I love you. Listen I mean if you WANNA come back or instagram right. Make a little bit more spice by national saw. His al.. Make. You spice known me. They don't a right. He should have got silo. Work. Of course and I think. It's to is two levels students number one is he's at Delhi I. Tyson very and directly saying, Hey, Yo you. Got Me I'm going to get you next before I go. Can you give me many things? I took pictures of all my pets and I WANNA. Send it to you unless again. So you can see if our lawsuit won't. It does told me do that like I say, Yonge, you desire to come stronger man 'cause y'all fake fake. Could. Right we're going to. Game boxin. Miss the nats I'm trying to get. I'm I'm trying to get some respect on my name I called the other day Davey. My predictions in like. Down on like man, you know what? I'm saying well. I don't remember. But what you're saying you pick you pick PEVEC in and I believe because I believe nobody was picked. Up. Up picked came by knockout and I put up I'll pick on the Jamaica's collusion, including Kamala Harris ready for vice president. Remember you now word is born I remember now you did you did see that's that's why you should have been part about TV. Pick them because you would've been that recorded and you could get a bit you to pull the way right now see I drop from two. To spot to the four spot because I did pick. Why But I don't want my time to go out before I gotTA. Let you know if Denver Form Hung Up. I. Say what you think by Sean parties like I've got sean to by Matthau. Another L.. Do it but I still picking them though. So in the pick em you gotTA. You knock when you. Also know but what I'm saying and that's what I'm saying is in the pick them league. We don't complicate it by saying, Oh, I'm picking them by twelve round decision or unanimous decision on majority decision on knockout or split. We just picked port so on the show and as a bet. With money I did pick Porta by style. I. Thought he was going to stop the. Man was looking like a cream puff I can't believe Porta try to stop them. You seen them for malicious he. He, he doable. Man Porta hit that do with everything but now is going to be about for Mel of being tough. They GonNa make it about porter. Now having power and I just think formulas that tough man I seen Puerta hit with some stuff man. This is net who's about to come off. And he's still ain't go down. So young man I don't know man I'm not. I'm not about the hey, all for Melania. For Gay Star I wanted to stoppage. Bad. But you. Being off you productions. Moved killing? Dot. WTO There Fella cise thing go right now. Good baby boy out. Yesterday was beautiful day man I enjoyed all the boxing and everything and then to see Dylan lose today Oh my goodness. I. Mean that was the Cherry on top man yesterday was my birthday man and I it was just a beautiful day to have a birthday head a whole bunch of boxing going on turn fifty two years old and then Dylan got knocked out and I called that I didn't call it on your show but I knew that Prevention was getting my and the reason why am I just feel that dillon doesn't respect the game no more man it seemed like he's not really working hog getting in shape doorway needs to do man and his last few fights man he looked like crap I'm we'll be truthfully honest man. I. Just don't see the same guy anymore and you know one thing about this boxing game man you gotta respected if you don't respect it, trust me it will show and it showed yesterday man he looked like a tired old man beach suplier out. Zora man. Be Truthful Yanni's if should Zoro, had a little bit more. Win He would have won that fight man and That's just pretty much I feel about it but I'm a little biased because I don't like dealing at all but that's what we're wilder. It what are you GonNa do Jay. Hawk or Bison News Man Happy Belated Birthday. Glad that you got to not only enjoy another one but. It was good. Surprise, with the Dylan Wifi for yourself and you know further congratulations on your. Latest venture remember he is the owner of the wireless bud shop. Dot Com so check it out get yourself some affordable. Really good replicas. Of those iphone headphones remember I, am not making no money. He sent me a Pitt Oh and they still working. And use them. To this date. To, this day. To this day. So. Let me see who we got knicks look like aged our in forward. What up. Everybody. Liked the video subscribed to the channel to help is reach. Crazy goals and join PG off Assam. But a man I feel like On China interpreted or have some type of answer for your question with a while saying something back I felt like they have anything in common APP FOR IPHONE I'm not even sure his any same context but. while the and he on rematch where it is make or break in now dealing away in his same position. So if anything from all those months talking a thousand days and all that. I think that that's what he of mean by or whatever, but I feel like. Hell always in a really come back and talk until he ready. But I think that's what he meant about it but that's all. and. Good. Good. Good Shit on your numbers. You had yesterday too man. Thank you man. Thank you and you know. One. Thank everybody tuning in and hitting that thumbs up but remember that's going to help. But that algorithm it's GonNa continue to put this show in front of all boxing. Let's see. We've got a few super chaz looking like who that nation says nest that boy duck Ortiz and dominic four reason trash I disagree man I'm sorry I'm sorry you know I I don't think he's trash man You know he he's universally in that position that he was in as at least top five heavyweight on any and every sanctioning body just. I just. I don't feel like. He's trash. We Got Mad Ben one hundred back with another one that Batman. Thank you for continuously sewing US some super chat. Love we got. He says, dillion white is a top five heavyweight people are nuts yeah. No just. Just said that I just said Yeah I don't get it I'm look. Has To do with the wild beef you know. So while defense don't WanNa like him because he takes a lot of shots at wild is like is like big baby you know he takes a lot of shots at wilder. So you know he don't get a lot of fans but again hit that thumbs up. If you right here many if you're on your phone or whatever on your TV you know you could use the remote now like come on get the word hit that we're going out to the commission Sony would a Shooting. A Oh apologize. I just how thorough was the was the topic while they came out and spoke in Harasha. And said Gaza Zaragoza, which means I've four nine. So we're trying to decipher that. We're assuming cozy spoke in Russia. About dillion being knocked out by vacuum but then again, the translation is awful now so no one no, no, no one knows what he means. Yeah out out a little bit I. Mean I, guess is like you know how? You know I mean. I guess water has been through that same thing. So billy white talking like will water went through. You will never see him go through a like that. I guess you know I mean who knows you know but know like I said I ain't bring more on the topic because I just how though but Yo base for bringing us another spontaneous For sure champ join US s seven. We'll be back with a full review on all this weekend's fights and news and notes we're going to stunner. Jersey with up. As far as wild message, I don't mind that I thought he said it talked more should a it is what it is. But as far as that I do call Dan. Lewis talk about some old. This is a good move while just third. Got Something. Wilder for the last five years as a w heavyweight. Is it wbz heavyweight champion was for free coming on TV given us. Hello exclusive interviews in drops. Realize, but it's like. None of these other heavyweights are the dudes that we really talking about redoing that like that. Like other than wilder, we're talking about the top ten every wait what top ten heavyweights hop on the. Just, just answering questions like lately get really by oil criticizing the mole deal sending the third or where you've been. Doing no different than every other heavyweight division right now notice even while the do it everybody the problem? So you need to reconfigure it your brains and get your mind right now saying if he's low he low the Nigga should be scared while this low you know saying 'cause do from the south. I mean I get you. But. You know that is more than just being low. You know he had a lot of. Choice words for others in similar predicaments. So that's what people have an issue with. Steve. In Chicago. Daddy this dollar. Still. Yellow Nice. o they're a I see I see dylan white he's just regaining consciousness. He's raising up from the ashes and the smoke. There is our man look. I'M GONNA. Tell you this because I see a lot of the AJ boot-lickers talking about public and again about how great that that. Win? Looks. I would love I. This won't happen I would love to see a fight between Ortiz and PEVEC again and see what happens. These guys always liked to be little or tease, but yet nobody wants to fight or DS. And honestly I'm glad you had this show because I've had a day to think about it really why got expose? Let's be honest. I know you WANNA make him out to be this. You know top heavyweight. Let honestly he got exposed. You, know. Louder lost a fury. You know. So Y- no-one. Look man you can't compare. I just don't get how he isn't atop heavyweight if he's not a top heavyweight. Who is like if he's not? Brazil is not. If he's not. Do apply is not. If he's not. Gerald Washington is not. Like you guys got to stop. It's Hilarious Man Ju like you're not helping by downing. A fighter because they all fight each other. James New Orleans what a? bitches sport total disrespect key has no. Adult Guerrilla. Smartest thing you can do stay away their. Book Man. I'm challenging one. Hundred billion. You can you hear me? I hear you. Yeah Nece don't let me I'd. Say. Okay dealing white is of the top paperweights may but I know we don't have that much pick from but in the same sense as you can speak on who got expose. When I I'M GONNA speak on my exposing of say, I've been new dealing white was go get knocked out against a heavy-handed guy or heavy handed punch. We always been comparing dinovite to find walters the UK has wanted dinner white fight wilder in years. So when speaking to him getting exposed and stuff like this was like a re review rebuttal back to what people are saying about what? Are saying why do these got exposed exposure this but the difference was he fought a top elite Guy Tyson period, which is proven to be augury number one a guy like dealing white we always knew water with knock his head off for back actually just showed that. So you think a guy like preventing a pet guy get out there negative would've six seven guy with do with dealing white desk exposure debt. St. Was C. Could it Checked. Man Man I just I can't call it. He got exposed guys. It's the heavyweight division. Look look. Wow said fury was feather fisted and got knocked out. It's the heavyweight division. We can't say he got exposed. He knocked the dude down twice and was fighting what like if I didn't watch this fight and I just watched the highlight. I probably wouldn't even be going back and forth but I watched the fight man he ain't looked A. Good it was a competitive heavyweight fight. Competitive. Heavyweight fight man like that's what happens ESTA. Yellow Say Message. In. that. Interview. He he in tight fights because he fight in the best pevec in is one of the best his his record indicates it. His rating indicates it wilder was GONNA fight him I'm just saying guys there's no need. To down them bright. If dillian got exposed right and he four everybody he already fought. Right he already lost Anthony Joshua and you know some people don't give credit losses. I'm not saying he performed in a manner to earn credit, but we all at least use that law says the moment where they choose to WanNa get better he learned from that Mayweather beat Cannetto did etc etc right so it's like from that loss. Right from that from that AJ loss, which was a domestic loss for him, but it was also a big loss. Internationally because it was versus Aj. So from that loss, he was able to be built. Put names like, David. Allen under his resume and he didn't knock out David Allen but neither did Luis Ortiz who we love giving credit to. Then he fought. Zora stop. Them. which is a good heavyweights have on your resume you know went on. To. Get a unanimous decision. Over robber lineas, who now again looks even better because he stopped Adam knockin. I'm not about the not give. DILLIAN credit for that. Win over her lenny as win. Adam. Was My boy like, see me going to his gyms watching them spar baby Michael Polite Coffee fricking the Chinese heavy way Brown and Helena's he put it on them and Dylan already had beat him longtime ago Lucas is browns say whatever you want about Lucas. You just can't say that no one beat them better than dillion he body them. He, he really lived up to the name with that one in body. Snatched him. He he took a so you know. Former world champion. In Joseph Parker former unified world champion and Andy vs went to decision. No. Knockdowns. No excitement. A. Boring Twelve round decision some twenty one some thirty loss. And Joseph Parker was awarded to win at least Dillian. Put Parker down twice y'all. y'All like to just remember that he was down in the twelve but he put dilly he put them down twice. So what Dylan goes down a lot the intrepid that. Like. I don't get it man you know yet. Look I. Know I attacks certain people. Right. But that's because they ain't fighting certain people. He is by people these are names, then he goes back to choose Zora. beat some again by knockout. Then beats undefeated Oscar Rivas come on just. Bugging. And now he finally loses to. who only got. LOSSES TO AJ in, Vlad. But he's a bum. He's trashed. He got exposed. As one draw with Michael Hunter. One lost. Wladimir Klitschko and one loss to current. Four belt holder or excuse me for bell all the two-time champion. Anthony Joshua Fickle. Boxing. Fans Cyp. Yoda. Trying, I'm trying to pay my trying to pick his counterpart him. I'll want them all at the same time to back to. All right. Keam, in Florida. Gone this tonight Roy. I. Go. And no came in Florida also going back to Cyp. With two. Punches and a call. Let go open ears all. I did not and I literally mean my heart did not. Want to see didn't get killed like that. I knew it was overrated. I do not rate him in my top five and everybody knows that we did I talk to you anyway I dealing my father he was seven, six, seven, eight somewhere around there. He's not to me that's just reality and I kept that room and this division that we have. It's if you're not top three right now do not. You shouldn't be talked about if you're not something, you should not talked about, Delia, why cannot knockabout Sebastien levesque and right now you WanNa talk about good. He is now then how good was he in his prime when he was getting knocked down four or five times? When was when he was just a regular chaffee, not that every gay champion but a regular because because of Vladimir, was the actor wd he just a regular check back then so we're talking about two years after he gets knocked out by AJ nuts about. Two years later, twenty twenty he knocked out doing white dude is forty, forty, one years old stop giving him so much now because you we give them so much tops you be little how good the extra three are when you get paid so much credit for being dinovite dinovite this rolling his own legacy and I'm GonNa, tell you from the inside of your normal out. We're not fighting. We're probably doing anyway we kept telling him fight somebody else to prove to us that you're worthy he we kept saying that federal. We'll fibers not kept. We wanted to see if it was worth all the hype. He got exposed he's not working now. That's the bottom ted. It worked way back there because we are not interested in. I mean that I do not need to see him get knocked out again i. mean, it's not the job you. I WANNA see dealer white knocked out like that again and I swear to you on that and when it comes down to this, humble, his humbling braggadocious in his Karma next I'm an elite athlete are trained been there combing got shit to do which you lose out there fighting a race on a day hall were dedication overrating other rating is why you lose fight. Muhammad Ali was begging us his. Came? Back. From The less that is your time but Lemme ask you since you're saying the Karma has nothing to do. So what exactly does while this message mean because? If it doesn't mean Kalma. What does I foreign I mean and how does it fit? Why would he choose to say I for an eye in? Russian. To to to to to have assume that he's talking about why who lost to Russian? You you. Don't you understand at for the? Past year and a half two years while they're and his team have not believed. It delight they don't you know what I want to actually. I please I remember minds is what do you think just you think eye for an eye means in this situation because he's saying. I four nine, I believe in I, foreign i. I don't know what the fuck that means I mean that could mean anything. To me. Like Ross is for. You give me I'm GonNa, get you back. So somebody else get him. Do I for to me. IPHONE is you give me I'm against you. So that's between him in him but for me, I would actually have you made me any heavyweight that I came onto your show. You know personally that's it. Julia? White is really not not not to call this. UK I'm talking about actual fighters out of the in you're. Have called Delia white except for us not including me Jane Magnetic Lunacy we never thought he was my man. Any, boxes? Okay I just don't understand how. You know, do all those heavyweight wins is not respected amongst ya like I get it. I get it because you guys don't respect annella either and he has a lot of wins too. So I'd get it. LV slugger what up. No Down Man wants to that man get knocked out like. I wanted him to go ahead. No, do we have? Fort Water. Because I knew how that was going to go walk out. But man down what why? I hate that for that may go. Well, I did want to see him stay undefeated see Fort While Because I knew how the outcome's going to be members. Feel like this fight right. He'll just put white on Like in the US 'cause I people coming up to me asked me about it that don't be watching. ESPN. So when the white wildfire finally do happen, you know it might have a little. You know might be more popular to the pub. So he might need as far as to get more popular in the US. People Really Dane normal. To kill. From what I you know what I'm saying since they playing ESPN. So that might did gesture right though man but hopefully back you know get right but he is after like here's A. Here's a good wager. How he'll look. I agree man I agree. The roof four. Good afternoon. Afternoon Yeah I wouldn't. I wouldn't say he got exposed it's just that. One of his weaknesses just got exploited I. Mean we seen him on a canvas several times? I mean slyke. Aj Is Kinda Cheney we've seen Ruis exploited that. Wilder didn't have a plan being very exploited bed I mean it's to me. This is how I see it in. He's lease was in top five heading that fight. I don't. See how people are saying he's not top ten or he's not a good boxer to me. That's the saloon crazy. I mean what he's done after the AJ loss I mean that's he's Done very good work to be you know ranked as high as he was but mammoth about. All right looking love. That is everyone I. Think. J Mag Boomerang actually hold on we got. SEATTLE. MR Mr. Shot. The horse you got. What's This to. See maybe. Those goodness Crazy fights today Shawn Porter. Son In. was his name. And Dealing get knocked out that show's crazy I mean. He he faisal sloppy like you. Don't really WANNA be by still think he's is a top contender. I mean, if you think about the top five urban, the ain't going anywhere. No Thompson even if. They do a rematch in Evacuate. deontay vs Tyson fury that they're still update nobody's coming up. That's GONNA be like. That's dealing Wi- can take this loss and come back and still be a boss and that's how small it is Natalie Division. So. That's how it's going to happen. Can't really say the bunk because the do five people. The do want against some top-five saw. Me The division. So small for anyone to go anywhere Tyson fearing get Hella bad worse than than did. The first time. And never give get up or you know get up. Last minute. Cut. Real quick. We got some super, chats. From. Cyp Says Gimme to kind of punches in my call. We did that we got wireless. Bud Shop Air Buds. Says we get what you're saying is but viliame ain't been respecting the game the body shows that. IT IS A. Sport. And that and the man that prepares wins but yo- his last fight he was. Young he was like. Fifty three. Fifty three, fifty, three to fifty three so that that is like you know showing that you know he he took a serious but anybody on blog talk if you if you want to call in, make make sure that one so that we know that you're in queue because you wanna be heard like James Payne lethal water. What are you doing this? CD virus, how we doing today or get to my dogs real quick Great Great Day or five us today dealing white. I gotta eat micro to 'cause I peek dealing and white as in in he ain't get it done. But idea won't for vague in the floor was a you know what I'm saying the flaw but. Beg to dealing white I, mean, every way boxing you get what you do. Shout I mean for vacant threat to anybody at this at this level, the top level heavyweights I mean anybody can be anybody on any night. So dealing white my dust yourself off, get back and try to get your spar bag if you can't. Oh, while the good the hill rom but you know what I'm saying wilder could Gessler to because we defensive laxed I mean any of them do call while to slip and so I mean it can happen to anybody at this level but day Oh boxing I'm loving boxing being back. CB viki reporting on this sheet nicky putting in their hard work. Let's go. Thank you brother. Thank you once again, the number to call in as one four to five, five, six, nine. Fifty to forty. One looks like we got ourselves a new caller. In what looks like to be possibly Philadelphia two, six seven, who's this where you calling from first time caller Ladies and gentlemen making his professional debut. But. I like the fight yesterday it was. Yesterday. Bre. Aj Aj call another Philly, Edgy Oh have been Camille. I like the I like the fights yesterday was it was move by it was a good fight I actually Kinda seen that come in with the with the. How perfecting was looping shot and how he was getting they mean get into the body I mean. A lot of the Times. And, this way anybody a lot of the Times in the heavyweight division, they mean they, they don't really protecting body like talking about it, but he was going to the body. You know when you listen to the body take away from the guards that fees I had I had white wondering to fight up to that point. Up until that point, it was winning a fight I don't think that white. Is. Number. Three heavyweight. In the world like they had them ranked I will always think we'll be no not in this. Not any order Tyson fury. AJ and wilder I mean not white coming before while does like ridiculous but you know boxing politics they this is what I really want to ask you how about project stopping the fight before white hit the canvas and then the deontay wilder and Tyson fury I fight. When Tyson fury hit the cameras just like that. Before. He went he was sleep. Jake Reed the not I repeat that. It. Could. Sony. My bad Ma'am W Bonet Tom I just realized that counterpunch for. Hey deaths apologized on this girl's best is to give it to Steve Kaga. My Bra Apologize Man. Steve. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks Tony. Hey Nash, let me tell you something demand. Don't don't be that guy. You know you're that guy now you're gone the block that you lose his street credit brother. Let me tell you something. Dillon. Hold on. Let me. You are man deleon white talk sold this what your listeners need to listen here this guy talk so much shit but he can't pick it. So No, we're not gonNA lay off him. This guy is talk more shit about wilder more should about our T- more shit about everybody and the do camp back it up. I'm not saying he's trashed, but he's an idiot. I mean if you WanNa talk the talk then you gotta walk the walk brother. Don't don't don't don't be that guy now man. Don't be that guy catering to a certain audience he deserves to get to get shit talked about him and he talked so much shit to every fighter in the do cam back it up. He's top ten LEXI. He's maybe like eight or nine. So don't be like that man that's all I got. I got I got no more. Don't go nowhere since he's eight or nine find eight people in front of him go ahead. Don't get no help good. I got fury. I got AJ. I got Wilder Yup. I got A. I got Parker. Got Brazil. So so parker who he is above him. Ortiz. Right. Who doesn't have a big win? Then him is above him but keep going keep going. Look Man. We're not going to change the narrative. Exactly. Exactly. No I just want to show that you are being biased. You're you and many people in your group are for tatty and that's not what I'm doing already did that and learned my lesson. Okay. You don't want to learn your lesson. Okay. RUIS BE AJ and I. went out there and put my ass out. They are star laughing ha ha ha ha ha not only did aj be Ruiz but then fury came and knocked out my guy. So now you want me to laugh at dillion weight again. When we don't know. Any other heavyweight fights that are going to play out so we can keep laughing at each other. No Bra No. Wow. The loss to atop heavyweight just like Dylan loss top heavyweight. You WanNa, you WANNA lie to people and say that I'm paying during to an audience when in actuality you're just showing that you are biased because you can't be that dumb. There's no way that a dude that only loss to Wladimir Klitschko who was. A unified heavyweight for twelve years at the time. And then Aj. who was a unified heavyweight when he beat them at the time but you WanNa tell the audience that I'm the one pandering and the guy that only lost to two unified champions in heavyweight division isn't good enough to be dealing away and because he'd be dillion white dilly and whites also not good show. Breath. You, pandering you pandering to your bat called buddies jerk chain in each other guy. What a block calling them. Hey how you doing? How're you doing? This is the universe galaxy from Youtube what's going on? Buddy. Hey listen now before I get to the boxing I, just WanNa I just found your program Randomly Block Talk Radio Do. You also take phone calls but other sports things like the NBA for example then now just boxing over the box and voiced. Okay. All right I got some for. You meant that I wanna find out how you feel about this I. Hope you don't get mad at me and hang up I wanna know what you think. I. Don't know. You don't mind me asking. Are you talking about boxing? Are you a God fearing man? I. Am I am but you know you only got. Thirty seconds left. Now you get a minute per caller. Okay. No problem. So at god-fearing men and I I'm a boxing fan. I'm paying attention to boxing for a while one of my favorite Oscar. No we are we are what I was an ask you was cutting much. I'm not a boxing Fan I. Am I'm contradicting myself from my question. Do you think as a God fearing man we should be allowing boxing in a civilized society them absolutely we're going to allow him in May my friend we we definitely have to allow the sport that came before it am a allow more brutal and more people get hurt and less paid than professional boxers. But thank you for your call me double check. I think see what he says he has a counterpunch. Man All right. So look we do have to put a cap on this Cyp. To. Take control the counterpunch Keith show going but remember we do have to start at seven and I need to get ready for that, which is of way bigger show then. This CYP. Run it with my last one go for it. But, let's go for one. He's got to add him Michael Hunter Kucic has. been knocked out yet in USA probably better than this dude one hundred I got an eight or nine and I can run it down. You know that you're not no no no. You talking about this. Here's the he was knocked down. Once the second knockdown was ahead but they replayed it it would have to argue, go look it up a bit one hundred. It was a have even announce it. Oh, wow. What's ahead but stopping day was hanging on for dear life versus Barker on the road you WanNa give him credit for that. Go ahead, fire me but other than that my man resume does is not so big in bed read this he did. Steroids this dude has been be now by to to what checking eight o'clock when he beat him in the mix it with a regular champion. Tip He's got to knockout losses. To. Why guys guys, why are we doing this? About resume. I don't understand why like. Why. We don't really have. Much of inaugurated. The guys that we like they don't really get to get a lot of those big fights to give them a big name resume. So we GONNA go down billions resume who has for massive heavyweights. Like a lot of them is what I mean by massive, not massive by great. A lot of heavyweights I. which remained you had to I gave you you you had to oh okay I see two more five. All right. Sorry Buddy. Because the first one was to. Live, that. Don't know. The reason why I bring it up to get you always give him credit for what somebody else did after they beat somebody but a lot of fighting you bet it's like Andrew has gotten better since the Parker fight everybody knows he's gotten better to the five people get buried dinovite also got better but gets. Aj who knocked Zach to so AJ knocked the prospect. How good is is new he got knocked out by AJ was the prospect if a victim auto touchy. So he didn't. He didn't like Kristen Hammer just thought he knocked out. Michael hundred just. knocked. Out Delia White, but didn't want to so great was the truth then white when it got knocked out by the other dudes didn't those forty years old By repeal let's Stop Michener. Listen to your. The Dylan. White is in great because he got knocked out by PEVEC and. And other people were not knocked out by Vatican. That's his argument. Okay. There were other people like I duNNo. Whoever fury for like Christian Hammer the didn't get knocked out he he retired. But whatever there's point is there's people that Tyson fury for didn't get knocked out and AJ. For the didn't get knocked out like. I don't know man the way you guys are assessing. This is crazy I I I like to rank. Based off who he fought. And what he's done in the division. And you know he's been fighting Bro my bad Louisville slugger counterpunch. Wonder. Where I was GONNA say when I was talking I was just saying you're good heavyweight it just how you know we get in the ring with. Somebody like, wow, he gonNA look like A. Like Brazil some bachelor like Brazil of beat White. My opinion. He owns I think Brazil beat them, but they would never fight but. He just stylistic I feel like Bazil Ano- cheese will be. So I kinda do agree in that probably about some rain. In that, some six rank. Top. Heavyweight. But he still good though but I just went say went well the white happen. He will be a first round is going to be a first round highlight. While the resume, it was going to look like that. I while Kale? Land is going to. So. I see people say I'm cable for the UK. I'm Cape for the UK. The daily white dealing white ain't good I'm lying. Okay mind then I don't know. I'm lying Cyp. got another kind of punch. Let me draft effect on your two hundred and seventy pounds. Series has knocked out everyone anytime. He's been over to seventy. He's got the knockout. So stopping me like. Study up before you start throwing shit out there to forty toward the. Theory. Download. Our heavyweight said, he can't punch. Our That was no no no. No. That's my heavyweight. Not Doors. I saw not towards any seventy pounds theory nobody knew he'll come in to seventy said when he was two seventy, he knocked out everybody. That's that's the difference route over the talk about seventy feared he was talking about to forty seven, fifty, three to twenty thousand. Acre. Tipper. That's that's what I'm talking about athlete. You know nothing about twenty pounds will power to any man like blade level. It will change the fact that I'm an expert C walk the APP. Whatever those excuses Now, all of a sudden you, WanNa say furious a knockout punch because. He he knocked out wild. When there was the one saying he had pillow phase. You just going to keep pushing a goalpost back to win the argument and. You, you will continue to discredit more amorphous fighters. That's all to win the arguments. Crazy. But yeah, all right who else who, else who else? That looks like Sony you got that Boomerang. In the meantime JD MAG Boomerang. Grow Ness. I'll can. Yes. Sir. Speaking of using. Ways to win argument I. Mean You do this consistently on the show? saw me the cars had a black into kind of crazy 'cause only certain topic you know me try to. Ted on a fight is Bhai using certain arguments to edges don't make no sense. So we all do it on Jay man. I'm talking about resume, right? That's always discusses resume. Okay. Well. Moving on what I think he was saying with wild admit was when you get away with stuff you got away with cheating in and make excuses for he was able to get away with it reeves fights thing he said I thought he back. He got knocked out by cheater. So I think s waterman personally. That does make sense. Through. Dinner White got what he got got away with it and then got it back on a bigger stadium he got knocked out. So that's all. That kind of tweaked. I like that that kind of. trae in obey Boomerang. To See Monte something. Cyp. Half a shot out. If all my chatters listen to me if you think I'm mad or happy right laws you have no idea I don't care about the anyway they're taking the and I never thought he was good. I'm not gloating here. I'm like, no I don't gloat when I'm writing right all the time, Jarvis mad because you keep saying you taking shit out Hideyuki how you taking up a box when did not feel that I think about it y'all do two of you have lost consciousness and what a y'all got better than beaten are tap be. True. True. But he also was murdered due to put you on your back and that's county I'm good I'm living like I'm living me and my girl. Happy hope you'll go girls. Happy help y'all got weekend messy. Happy. See what the out. Just like giving away lights. Right 'em. Stats. New What's going on what up Yeah. Now some me. Going in tough on you, but I'm just saying. Billy why he's got some good wins and he's got some losses or whatever. But at the same time he he's twenty people. Do We got better? Wednesday notice. Okay. I answer that. yes. He's got that it wins not but now. Now anthem mind mine. That's. Did why Brazil or Ortiz. I can't necessarily say. I can't necessarily say duck because we didn't see it offers but I believe what it is in question. Question listen to me I. believe he made those difficult to happen by send in two hundred and twenty, five, thousand dollars that Ortiz. That's GONNA. Make it difficult to happen the Brazil fi I'm not sure that he acted because he was talking that fight up saying how that was going to be a pay-per-view how Brazil have forward Aj I, think that was more bow. the Rivas fight came about. and. They didn't go to Brazil route. But they even read is he never had had had religious about Rivas win. You know the be sample. This guy's just starts bag man and him along with AJ average. Price. Everybody. Suspect. Lord. Athletes. Suspect see say I'm capitol. Lewis Tease I rather. DEBA-. For? Is Who is SPE HE PA three times. Or? Spit pet vet kin who is The problem and that's what I'm saying. Oh Everybody suspect is what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying everybody for. That was easier win. No one wants the fight or include included aging. Jay Sistema seven million got oh, my God. Delusion. Demand sent them seven million. Luis Ortiz chose to go with wilder and that's cool. But don't say. Don't sit AJ chart. y'All straight wilder today for real Lord have mercy. Jacksonville what Was a man Yeah I'm assuming that you on my side with this whole thing like ninety seconds. Daily White and I don't understand I think this is a good thing. They're doing white loss especially when he looked as good as he was looking, he was looking real good. That's like the best I've ever seen him look technically he's a shape now Dan this is look good now now now, if you win this, not this look good for wilder whoever's going to get them you know what? I'm saying, fury. Some, now's the good fight. You know what I mean, and then he gets caught with them I. Mean I'm not GonNa States a fluke shot. One time you know right on the button shot everybody anybody can get hit with that. And It's it's. It's Kinda messed okay. Man I was. Like, his mouth piece may talk a good game man. You know what? I'm saying he put the vision is not good. You won't vacuum up there was Little tickets can recognize move no ashes to the. Exactly. What I said. Yesterday man exactly. What I. Say PEVEC and going sit up there like a statue now that he won and bring absolutely nothing is just going to be a fight and I mean he do bring his that. We know he got the power right like he he he just showed that yet again be Paulie says. counterpunch for let me see. Them. I think he them pay for another counterpunch. Joe. LISSI. Said, we need to move to the MMA model where losses mean nothing ness is right on this one knocked out. Knock out real brutal look it up. Everyone looks dead. Cyp with another counterpunch, and then be paulie would a super chat counterpunch for Cyp. And then boxing experts says laugh out loud CYP having a blast with white. So. What up C. P. to back to back you spreading them out you WanNa back the bat. Spread somebody might somebody might get my Mission I was going on my top ten. Farfetched as it may sound. And Hunter or worldwide I believe is those be hunter and have to move the heavyweight? I don't think to do. So I got a base it off of what you've done for me lately, who've you've compared to who I think both of them are famous hunter if For and we all thought that through one I gotta put them three in the same caliber. So I cannot put right above anybody in for vessels group anybody investing his group, which includes Hutter et lustig. He cannot be ahead of hitting the pavement like that 'cause. It like that against another opponent, he's the only one that was sleeping from them do so I got up in below they're putting Brazil or t we in top three ahead of them. Like nine or ten on my. So according to his logic. Now again, he continues to move the goalposts to win the argument further discrediting more and more fighters according to him if you hit the pavement the way that. Why did you can't be ranked high? So pack out being flatten means what because there's a lot of people that got flattened. But motive a man four, zero, five new caller Oklahoma what up. Ladies and gentlemen making his professional debut. Brother, Oklahoma. Four zero five. Going once. Twice Aaron Kelly. It's interesting results, but you know you ring magazine Ad. Dila white ahead of wilder was crazy I? Mean again, I still put down on white probably six in my top I mean I I have. Ortiz. Above. Right now at this point. and we'll see we're doing my I mean I don't agree at the narrative of Edey needs the five of vacuum and rematch I don't think that bicy- come anytime. Soon I think eight, they should be fighting wilder theory winner and then what Lucic Mandatory for the WB, l. why it's funny. How earned his name and talk about that? No one from the UK talked about that. But that was the big little thing two years ago or this last year and we're Lucic and all this but. Results, hadn't done why not a top five firefighter at this point he still has a future, but you know. Two Thousand Twenty One will be redemption Europe you can do it. That's my. All right. Aaron thanks for calling in. And Brandon Cincinnati. Yeah I think issue having message all you'd trying to debate resume. And people who detract you debate what they see on the add test. Don't think nobody can really debate his resume boots where people saying that the say top centers when they look at the skill. Things he'd going to rain. They don't think he's a top fighter. Then beyond his less, you'd get out of that big three age a wider you kinda mix and match you know four fourteen, you could say if you go by sheer skills. Ortiz and you know a ucla probably more to skill guys. If you go by resume, you gotTa say you know maybe we. Should be four five. So why you get out of that big three, you can kind of mix and match who you think ranked as far as the rest of the division go but. Yeah. That's about it. Man I think you are resume or us? Steel set not. So what about you when you think he's not good in yours. I actually high-demand Five I. had it. You know how one of mix and match the Big Three Wilder curiae and then four. Ortiz and. It was not. So. So so so hot Ortiz get above them because you saying Ortiz looks better than. A. Better skillset. I ride champ. Thank you for explaining it at least I. Get year. Let me see trade are. Way. SEE WHY P. Another boomerang from. In Kelly. Jazz arrest. Rush y'all. People that me listen man there. We sit here and debate debate debate bottom line is. Top Five or number five before whatever before. That's that's cool. That's true but you can't loot. who was like seven eight, and then all of a sudden be matthew for tonight a team it happens when you lose can't you tired now but they do nothing but just knock him out. Did nothing but just not him out but I can didn't do nothing explicit. And and and hundred in the same boat as pathetic. So if You're not white can't go ahead of them to it has nothing to do not being good. We're talking about where he should be stopped trying to make it a moment ago he's known as you guys say any sucks. and. He's sitting up being mentioned with the top three left for basket. PUTTER and fourteen. Roy's let them have that. Pushed it back way supposed to be a segregating till. To the back of the see wealthy up. To you still go one counterpunch that was the boomerangs. That's why I was longer. I'll say this we were both from. Alexander. Moved up one position on box wreck. And he he was not seven or eight. Now, if you want to go to the ring which hasn't updated perfecting was six Dylan White was number two. So you know. Alexander wasn't as low ranked as you say. And to. Dylan did drop to eight on box. Right so I guess you know where you guys are trying to put them eight and nine is one said. I guess you know he dropped two slots on backtrack for that loss and they do have above them. Another thing you said, we probably just cheated went to buy threat. Hunter Ruis. Sick. Alexander. Joshua. Wow. The fury so. And that's what I'm saying regardless like you see those names above them the same name that we thought beat Pevec in hunter same name the FBI AJ in. Ruis. Wow the no age like those. I mean to say he's not you'll think about it. This is other this other nail in the coffin Ryan Tyson. Right he's number one in the world that thirty, fifty, one heavyweight but you want me in the listen as the believed the dylan white is trash and that's another thing Cyp you say, Oh, you saying this and you even changed the Oh? No. Yeah. There were people before you and that and I've been defending the called them a bomb call them trash all types of different names. So yeah. I have been saying that he's not trashed especially when there's fourteen almost fourteen hundred Vegeta- heavyweights and according to you inbox wreck your number eight as not bad man it's not bad. I still want that win on wilders resume I still want to see that fight so it's not that bad but you are. You do have another counterpunch. Listening when I give you my rank, those just my. I'll look at boxer anything. Yeah. I'm talking about Marta boxing I talk every day everybody talking I try to get all those together pretty well, yet I he's eight or nine, boxer eight or nine care if they agree with me, that's cool out here but I do. Because I believe they're all connected those three. So those three automatically pushing that. Brazil end because I don't think he could beat Brazil had he done Brazil done enough to be the head of him? No, that's just my personal belief. But the truth of the matter is I was right because he can't beat them do what I say he's trust is. Trash I, said the wilder. ROUTER team team. We take you stress personally when they talking about us not fighting everybody else we do. To us we don't talk anymore. That's different. You know changing it from a wild wilder calling them trash because he's not a trash heavyweight you can't be number eight in the world in the world, not the UK in the world and be trashed but catches on the next one that is everyone We'll be back in an hour and a half. Hopefully, we're not leak is way more topics but I I don't even know they really quick I should do a poll on paycheck like do even want all the other topics. Are we just going to be talking more dealing why 'cause seems like? That's really anything everybody's talking about there but there are some people that some pretty pretty. Damn good winds this weekend damn good wins. You know some people really. impressed. But. Anyway. Bruce.

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Thrones journey through discussing the show for the last like five years as been four years, you're making it sound like well, like a terminal illness or some story will live with us forever. But it doesn't make sense mental. Because like mal Jason I have in some capacity or another from grantland to the ring have been talking about game of thrones on podcasts and video and on on short-lived cable shows, we had watched the thrones we had after the friends we actually get the thrones. We'll have discussed the thrones con thrones. Remember, the thrones? I guess as we head into these. So what we're gonna do today rather than do not disappoint anybody? But rather than do like hardcore theories about like how this is going to end, which we will be doing plenty look great others coming out of the crypt. We're going to try to talk a little bit about what it's been like to be a part of this for the last few years, and I wanted to sort of ask you guys to start with. I remember when we started talking about this at grand, it was obviously the show is sort of in full flight and become a cultural phenomenon and everybody was talking about it. When do you feel like in game of thrones this show sort of made that turn around the bend to it's ending now? Like it went from going outwards to now we're gonna now we're going to wrap it up. When Danny came back when Danny came back to west rose. I think that was when it was like, oh, this is really happening. We we're not going to go back to probably anymore because why heart to visit Dario regularly just governing. It just being governor well governing something. Yeah. I think that entire episode Windsor winter the season six finale because you had Danny heading west to finally, of course, the John parentage reveal at least half of it. Which is I think for us and for many fans of the story the central propulsion misery of the entire tail and search eliminated half the cast in about an incident that was expanding to shrinking everybody moving toward the same physical geography and also the storylines compressing on each other. So that we were going to finally see people who had been separated since the second episode of the season or had never been together in the first place. Finally brought together. Yeah. And then I think that one thing that I've always really admired about working with you guys playing on my questions. You had to write down in advance that he admired work. I wouldn't forget to say that. I remember to say that. No guys. These are. I've never cease to be amazed by the level of not only like intellectual understanding these guys have of the story. But the empathy that they have the emotional contents of the story, which is just always so inspiring in a way of talking about it. It's been it's been such a thrill, but I was kind of wondering depending on your differentiation ships with the show from reading the books or maybe starting the show in the beginning. I have a different answer for this. But when did you start like thinking, I'm not just a fan of this? I actually have something to say about this. Jason mean like you. This is one of the earliest things, I guess we worked on the side from really pleading Knicks blogs early on. Well, I. I entered into this endeavor with not a small amount of trepidation because there's just a lot of people that know a lot about this world so to try and try and explain the things that are going on historical context, the deep deep deep lore that Georgia's created for an audience that's primarily based on the show is was really daunting. It was really an it was really exciting. Also. I remember just thinking I wanted to do it in a way that didn't that wasn't like how brutal it can be on the forums. Which is just like, oh, you got. This fact, wrong get out of here and never come back like your garbage. So I wanted to try and do it in a way where you could just ask the dumbest most simplest question that seems very simple to people who understand the world and to try and laid out in a way that was compelling and really valued. What George is created which is like this world that goes with the deep history that goes back thousands of years. So I think just being able to do that at grand. And then the ringers really when I was like, oh, this is. I have I have a niche in this ecosphere, right Melayu. Chris from glad you asked. Not too. I don't know what the over under on like when I'd cry was thirty minute Mark cash in when I think when I think about that. It's like I realized what a. Seismic role. The story is putting my life because the moment when I first started covering it was actually when I was still a Sports Illustrated consumed season one as a fan that was when I became really like obsessed with the world, though, fully in the books over and over and over again found myself on Besseges boards and trying to soak up as much as I could and heading into season two on the side, two of my colleagues, this we started like a secret TV blog, and we would just do power rankings after every episode just for fun and like set deadlines for ourselves and everything. And so that was when I when I knew that this was something that I do. I. Because I went there like a year ago. Terrifying to hear I hope we have a agreement here. No one will seek it out. Everybody signed it NDA when they walked in not to Google you. But when the ground opportunity surface that was a huge part of it was like, wow, this is racket. Actually, I talk about game of thrones. I talk about Harry Potter. I could talk about the things that I love, and when we think about the ringer, and what we all get to build together every day that idea of passion and obsession is such a central pillar to what we're trying to do. And what we're trying to allow other people to celebrate. And game of thrones was the beginning of that for me, both personally and professionally and so it's just very special very grateful. What about you? What about me? Gosh. I don't know. I think the. I can't remember whether this lines up accurately or not because it's been on for long enough that I think that there is some like this marimba going on. But I do remember I think that right wedding is one of the singular pop culture pop cultural feelings, I'll ever have you know, I was also a time. And when Andy was doing the show with us, and he'll probably appear at some point this year and talk thrones. But he's obviously working on his own show. But I remember when Andy, and I were talking about this show ally back back in the day. We were always really like in awe of those moments where it felt like people were experiencing something collectively and red wedding was not only something that I was experiencing collectively. 'cause like often we would have group watching parties at my apartment to everybody would get together. And I think that was like it was like game of thrones girls was on. Maybe it was like that was like the run. It was it was it was such a great Sunday night is insane fantasy show and that it was just like on. And I remember the red wedding happened. And I just felt like something that it altered the sort of trajectory of television and changed what I thought everything I thought about what you could really do on a show that you could invest this much time with people, and that you could think you knew what was going to happen. Yeah. And that and that that could get ripped away from you just like gets ripped away for the characters and this show that was such a cool moment because. I don't think we really talk about how like the book community really protected that secret really nice about that. Like really valued not spoiling it for people wanted to see their friends who had no idea. It was coming. Experience this true shock. I mean, that's not like a thing that really happened before. Like, I think about like late Harry Potter remember that like viral video where the dude is driving by as people are lining up to get the book and he screams like Dr is or whatever like that spoiling things was like. Wiler. Spoiler actually have a red Bahari. So, but that's like spoiling things for for laughs to be a troll was like something that happened. Really didn't happen. This time like the the reveals were kept really secret by the by the by the book readers, and I thought that was really special. I'm sure that there's plenty of times also like during lead up to that. I would like walk into the ground office. And I was like I gotta say feeling pretty good about rob stark guys put it all together. Five tool player something that we these jar. Did you do that at the we had a meet up in the live show? I've show the show in Brooklyn season five took place between the penultimate episode of season five finale of season five and that was back in the day when you know, a standard episode of watch the throne. It was Andy, and I would come on for a few minutes with Chris on for a few minutes with Andy and New York. And this was a time that rare time that we were all together, and Chris and Andy. Had anointed John the winner of season five, and it was this really impassioned speech. How Jonah finally figured that? Jason are standing on the side. Like, should we tell you? What is going to happen to John in the next episode? But you don't want to take the thrill of discovery. You know, we're all on our own. Yeah. That was tough for me. That idea though of subverting expectation and those moments that you think back on the shock. You can still feel like your chest. Tighten right now sitting here when you think about the red wedding. Whether it was reading it or seeing, however, you experienced it for the first time, and I'm curious what you guys think about that. Which was such a unique thing about the story for so long when you think about the impending end because at what point is there nothing left to subvert at what point does continuing to try to expectations just lead people to be miserable. Like what kind of ending in terms of fan expectations and emotions joy shock. What do we even want? What do we think we're going to get? But what do even want? I mean, I think the other thing about that too. Is that there will be known tenth inning. Whatever gets subverted in these last six episodes is what will be left with to think about and obviously we could get into this. But that's obviously so. Wild Thing about in relationship to the books as well. These the banning off while will be concluding the story for a lot of people. I mean, there's a lot of people out. There would probably that's the game of thrones. As far as I'm concerned, and that might be it. Yeah. George might not finish the books. I liked by the way that the soon as the Phillies signed Bryce Harper you're saying tenth inning and talking baseball terms, all of a sudden, America's pastime, I love baseball. I mean, that's the sub point is really interesting because so much of the the meat of the series is about those subversions just when you think Rob's rows figured it out. He's gonna put the alliance back together. They're going to charge into the west orlands. They're gonna take Castellini rock. They're gonna really put the screws to Taiwan, Lancaster. And that's no everybody's dead. And what are we going to do now? And those kind of moves just are not on the board anymore. You know, that now there has to be that pitched battle where the good guys win, you hope or L you they I mean, that's the thing. Just the fact that we're sitting here going like is this going to end with the night king sitting on a throne of ice, and everybody's dead is really wild things. That's actually play. What if Brennan's the night king, right? Yeah. This is the one that I'd like trying to wrap my head around. That's what happens. It's you. Try to wrap your head around it. And then you get stuck in someone else's. Then I king your war. The subversion thing was interesting for me. Because I think that initially that was maybe what drew me into the story, but I still have a pretty old fashioned relationship to the to the story and a lot of ways like that's also driving a lot of what I kind of the tension of what you want to have happened in game phones versus what has to happen. Based on the way, the story has been told you guys feel that that that that friction as well. Oh, yeah. Every day. I mean, I think of even just the contrast between how we talked anticipation of the last couple of and how we all talk about this like don't even know if we want to figure it out or try to figure it out because there's the element of this is it this is the last time we're going to learn something for the first time about these characters in this world. But I think of someone like John is being very emblematic of that dissonance as a fan, and this someone who cares about the story. And I spent a lot of time thinking about it like I love John. I want John to be okay. John. Being okay. The end doesn't really make sense based on the world that has been crafted and the character arcs that have been defined you say why? Can try can you tell me why? Yeah. We talk about this ally. The idea that. John doesn't feel worthy of the second chance at life. Like, this is not something he'd uses a gift. It's something you've uses terrible burden and part of that is quintessential hero's journey archetypal struggles. And part of it is again, how a story like game of thrones of ice and fire has always attempted to subvert that traditional narrative. And. You know, went ahead of the battle the bastards. John says if I fall don't bring me back like he means that right because he doesn't wanna come back. He doesn't want to be there in the first he didn't wanna try to take wonderful back in first place in many ways, he's been very defeated man and a very reluctant leader. The prospect of having to make either a sacrifice or a terrible choice. Where even if he is left at the end the question of what he's left with really haunts him forever. That feels true to me to the world that has been crafted that's not going to make me happy, but it will feel satisfying. Do you have the middle attachment to certain outcomes for sure I'm at Johns arc. When we're doing binge one of the things that really jumped out was just how how much John regretted being resurrected the battle of the bathrooms is a great example because on on a very surface level. It's like, oh my God. Look at the bravery. He's charging out ahead of the lines of his troops. Pulling his sword. Trying to take on the entire cavalry Bolton cavalry on his own on on a deeper level. It's like, that's that's a suicide mission. Like he's trying to you. Don't you don't do that. And I'm gonna come out of this totally I'm I'm gonna survive this. He's on a on a very level like trying to die in the midst of the battle going down to dragon stone when every other stark who's gone south has died and signs reminding everybody like, rob and Rick. I mean, that's he's he's pushing it he's he's trying. He's trying to die. I think a lot of the conversation between barrack and John which. Was one of my favorite moments not only in season seven, but really the show, and it feels like the kind of that in prior seasons an entire episode or maybe even season would have built toward. And it was a few minutes campfire leading up to standing in the middle of frozen lake until someone through Brock fine. That idea of that barrack said death is the enemy, and it's a very Harry Potter Dumbledore idea, though, there's a lot of synchronicity there. You know, you just have to keep fighting. That's the purpose is just to keep trying because every time you try you make it easier for somebody else to try to. That's really how John program he may be a king now, but he's really a soldier. And then you think back to neds line to various in the dungeons season. I was a soldier I learned to die a long time ago. John has that part of that is John no matter who no matter when or how John learns the truth of who he is. And that moment barracks. SM it's not our purpose to understand. And I think we all think of endings as some kind of deliverance, especially in this show, and one of the things that they've really set this world up for right now is that they're living in hell like a lot of these the kingdom's basically abandoned or in some sort of power vacuum happening. You've got in the south. You've got the Nike and the. North. There's inter infighting between the people who are still standing against either one of those factions and you see with these battles. And I'm sure we'll see in the battles of this season. Is that this is kind of like they're not trying to save some like Elvis fantasy land here like this is like really like so raw and like you might want to take me out of this. Quote, mala, Sandra. Right. There's only one help Princess one. We live in now. That's very true. Whether or not you borsch ra- lawer, that's the reality for all of them. And that's I think why the The Danny storyline is particularly interesting heading into the final season and the idea of breaking the wheel, and whether she will honor that whether she will seek tonner that the question of whether they are able to follow through on. It is obviously particularly interesting, but what is even in her heart at this point. And when she finds out that John is the air to the iron throne, and that yes, also that she fucking her nephew that he's the air to the iron throne. Incensing that's happened on this show. I think the. Thinking she was going to marry her brother. She will be fine with that part of it. She's just going to him as a threat to power that will be the tough part Doshi bought democracy is the mad Queen gonna take over. I mean, she's burn them all is very much in Danny's identity DNA at this point too. Now, a quick break for a word from our sponsors. Today's episode of brought to you by audible with the largest selection about on the planet. Audible offers an unbeatable range of bestsellers motivation mysteries surreal. Memoirs and more as a member you could choose three titles every month one audiobook and to audible originals that you can't hear anywhere else. You'll also enjoy easy audiobook exchanges rollover credits and an audio book library keep forever. Oh, even if you can't get started with a thirty day trial. When you go to auto dot com slash bench. Text being to five hundred five hundred and listen for a change. That's audible dot com slash binge or text binge five zero zero five zero zero. 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It's like the battle of Asser moment when she calls in nights of the Ville. It's like why didn't she tell John like all the stuff? And then you watch it back to back to back to back, and you realize this is a character who's never had security since she left winter fell ever. She's always been behold into other people had no agency and her life was always dependent on. Tyrian the hound other people to protect her. And then finally after really the worst things have happened to her John comes back, and is like, I don't know if I wanna take back. We're like I'm just going to walk the earth now. So. The the fact that she didn't tell him made a lot more sense because she is just a person who's going to take control of her own life at this point. So I I'm going to depend on me for my security. And I just really I I am without a lot. I want you to go first why? Well, I think I think. Yeah. The Jamie Jamie feels like probably the most tragic figure you just loves Jack. You're still rooting for Jamie and to work it out. I think. Really invested in that runway for those kids van like we. While there's things have happened. He just I find the one of the things I love about this show is the way that they will make someone look and feel like an archetypal character. And then just kind of chip away at their insides for seasons seasons. And I always love that. Prince valiant was broken men in love with so many couldn't have who created this monster. And essentially it was robbed of the one thing he seemed halfway decent doing which was fighting. And I don't think it's like a stretch of the nation to say, I think he's. Odds are maybe worse than fifty fifty this as that's yeah. I mean like you can just see like even in the trailer. It doesn't seem like he's a good spot. So there's something about the his his arc that really. I find very very sad. And the way that that he was played. I thought was really really effective. I like he was kind of like the cool Indiana Jones of this series. And he's a monster. I I honestly think that he's one of the most that's one of the most unbelievable creations fiction. Jamie Lancer because episode one. He brought us. His sister throws a child out of a window appear on stage in front of a bunch of. I love that by any by season. Three like. To be fair in the first episode. He also brought multiple horse to Tyrian at once, and you can tell his generous spirit. It's all there for the beginning if. Yeah. Absolutely. All right now, we got to I mean. So I I love them. All I'm I really would like to get some meaningful time with ghost in season of it. Like, I need to see ghost in the show again. And I need goes to be okay. As stated previously extremely attached to John and concerned about his future. Sonza Jamie would be high on my list as well. I can't pick aria and brand all the game of thrones characters padraic Brun. Really rooting for radio. I am invested in. How the show concludes Arias arc because. I struggled with some of the direction there and season seven, and I'm really eager to see how it comes together. Terms of. How'd you struggle? Aria and sonza being fake mad at each other. Or whatever that was about real like the note in the bag and stuff. It's just very strange and weird Arias like one of the most important characters in fiction to me. And I think to a lot of women. It's this exciting idea of the moment when she she says to Taiwan at hall, girls are stupid all girls most girls are idiots, and when she says to Ned on the steps of the keep tower the hand, you know, that's not me when he's describing this traditional existence. I think a lot like that's very aspirated. And I really hope they bring that home, and I think of aria and brand and Tyrian and John as sort of like part of this totality Representative of the crippled passers broken things idea that so central to the heart of the show the characters who aren't supposed to be the ones empower never were. Or at least in John's case, you didn't know they were supposed to be and. How can maybe what does that look like to them? You know, when John finds out who he is most people in the world, if you found out that you were not only the air to your kingdom, but potentially the prophesized last year. Oh prince that was promised. That's fucking dope. I'm awesome. Right. And it's gonna make John feel like shit. And I think that they're versions of that for each character brand in many ways in the books, I think feels like the most important character because he's so core to the heart of the mythology the really fantastical elements of the story. But at what point is that swing to him completely falling out of touch with his humanity. I think that's also an issue for the show itself is like how do you communicate a character like brand and what brands experiences and brands importance to the story and still make it compelling television. Because it's a lot of internal stuff. It's a lot of like interior dreamscapes vision quests th. Off. And and I think that there are some people out there were like I can't quite wrap my hands around what what's happening with brand to say nothing of how huge he might be this season. Well, if the the betting markets or any indicator he may be very very huge. I think that's like guys into some game of thrones Betty markets. This is Betty markets talk. This is something we talked about an inch about a lot is the kind of tragedy of pushing brand to the periphery of the story in a way that felt like, you know, maybe as there wasn't like a level of comfort with the fantasy element that he embodies. And like I said he's tremendously important to the story. Not just structurally because he allows us to understand things that happen thousands of years ago and things that are going on contemporaneous Lee and other parts of the world. But because he is that fantasy character like the young broken boy who discovers that he has a gift like that is just a that is a fantasy staple. I think regularly of the conversation between brand and Maistre Lewin. When Mr. leeann, very Representative of a lot of how the mindset that we would see from a lot of characters who sort of refuse to accept the magic was back in the world. And you're kinda shocked because he's supposed to be highly learned open minded open heart to and he just tells brand maybe this was the thing once, but it isn't anymore and in an effort to simultaneously clarify that brand wrongly, of course, and to comfort him, he says, basically, you know, what boy wouldn't grow up like wanting to think that he was special. And that's of course, why we all love fantasy stories because that's true for us too. You know, who doesn't want to be special or feel special in some way, and the the real magic of these stories is that they make us feel that way. And so when we think about it's expensive characters that's the thing when we think about how this is going to end, and these people that were invested in and it's like, I feel like. Quite insane here. But like it's actually scary because these are people who we've grown oh attached you, and it's not only about like wanting them to be okay or wanting them to live. I think if you've watched throws if you've read game of thrones, you know, that's not gonna happen. We're going to have to be prepared to say goodbye to a lot of people. But like will the truth that they sought be found, you know, because it's not the purpose? Their character served, right? Turn out to be. Yes. The what we thought it was right? It's not it's not a story about the iron throne. Not really, right. It's not a story about Wayne. We made along the way, right? It's about identity. It's about who you are. And it's about who the world tries to mate, you think you are. And can you conquer that? And can the people around you in your life? Give you strengthen if not can you find it on your own. And that's a really powerful idea and that gives people a lot of comfort and strength. And it's it's it's just really wonderful. I'm really sad that we only have six more up associates. So let's talk about that part. Malaise into this amazing act of like scholarship with the trailer where they basically did our long breakdown of a ninety second trailer minutes. I also watch ninety ninety minutes, but it got down to an hour. What's that? What's the feeling where you're like, how do you balance letting it happen versus figuring it out before it happens? I don't have that problem. Because I I don't know. I mean, it's not like when we break down. It's not like we know one hundred percent it's going to happen. But it's said though. We should tell the story about how we predicted the the south Saudi. So talk thrones is after which was after the thrones the show we did on HBO. There is a brand has a vision of stuff happening. The mad king see like all this wildfire. Why? And after that, we broke it down. Where like here's what's going to happen. There's wildfire still under the city that the mad king hit. They didn't find it is going to find it, and she's gonna use it for something to blow something she did. And she did that we nailed it. And then HBO it was like we gotta cut that out of. It was like literally like thing where felt really good. But on the other hand, it's like, you know. It's part of the fun of it is trying to figure out what is going to happen. Because you never one hundred percent, right. Very rarely. You get mad. If you're not. I don't know. I kind of want to be surprised I wanna be wrong on a certain level. Yeah. I I don't find myself trying to figure out the end of season. Like, I have no idea honestly can't even seven I pitched Jason on the idea that season is actually going to be Mercia ALI'S. Detective season three us connecting all of our after shows in a shared after show universe. It's all about purple haze. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's. Part of what makes the story special is the community around it and part of what makes the community special is that there is a truly obsessive nature to it for some people. But not for everybody like people consume the story in different ways. I think that's evident up here on the stage. For example, you didn't you don't know whether it's Jillian Gilly, and that's fine. That's a Philadelphia accenting in Philadelphia. She would be known as. That's fine. And so you can have you can relate to the story. What's up girl? You can relate to the story in any way that you choose and you can obsess over it to any degree that you think is a valid use of your time. And that's pretty cool, actually. And I think that will sustain itself forever. And the story is so rich so dance that people will continue to discover new things about people rewatch game of thrones forever. People will reread a song of ice and fire forever. And you're always gonna find something new. And so while it's like a little bit thrilling to put on the detectives hat and try to parse all of the information. I think especially when you go back like you watch these and seven and you go back to the beginning now, and you see how much there you were reading the series as well now, and you're reading the beginning of game of thrones. And every single thing you need to know about John's parentage is in the first couple of chapters all of it right there. That's really cool. So that's there from the beginning. And you could try to use it to piece together the future or you can go back and appreciated. In hindsight. And those were both really fun. I think the reading aspect is really important to note because while fans of every series will speculate about what's going to happen. The fact is it's been nine years since new book has come out. And there's nothing to do except speculate about what might happen. So I can read something else, right or so. So that's a lot of ways is just kind of a natural outgrowth fact that there is no new material out there. You've kind of just have to scrub the text again try and figure out what's like battle that ice that happen. Great other. Is there is there? I straight under the wall. Like, that's just what you have to do. And I think that just carries over to segue. Sure, we have book readers in the audience at this point. I'm sure everybody's had a chance to catch up years. Tough look for my guy, George. Where's your where's your head out for George like how you feel about that? I'm of two minds. I both I would love for George to publish when's winter. So that I could read it that would be wonderful drew spring. That almost feels. Sleep. I'm that's that's a very real desire in my heart. I hope the the rest of the books. Now, mostly predominant feeling is like real sadness. I I just think he must it must be such a deflating feeling to see somebody else. Finish your life's work. I feel really bad for him. I feel really bad for him. And I think you can every interview he gives everything he says, you can sense. It is actually I mean, it's not used to be subtext is over text at this point. You know, he feels like shit about it. And that's awful. Now that said he has created something that Rajoy to literally millions of people in a different medium, maybe than here originally intended. But you know. Then if you pan back even further to think about when he set out to create this and wanted to make something that could never be adapted by its definition. And then you see how of course, you would create so many threads that you could never bring them back together again, and he's maintaining so many first person narratives and unique voices. It would be impossible for anybody. I mean, they had to split books foreign five because it was literally too big to put in one book like modern, printing technology could not written a story that could not be printed physically. I was I was recently watching the scene where we're talking about how during this each of storms, and they had to boil the books the horse, the horse binding on the book. So that's lease could have some sustenance. And I was thinking what a nourishing meal wins of winter will be if an when we ever get it given the link there's this thing that happens when we do editing at our website, and where a writer owes you a piece and you look at Twitter in the writers like like, here's. By tweet about that. Oh, you're tweeting. You can you need to file. That's like what the world is like for George. Georgia's like going on bets podcast and people are like, hey, man pages. George George just one I talked about the Mets sandwich. Sam darnold jets. He just wants to crunch. Sam darnold tape all day in the world won't let them won't. Let them watch all those interceptions where Sean fantasy. How long do you think the show could have done man because I think we probably all like can derive from what we understand about like the production. It's incredibly physically grueling production. These people have essentially been living in Belfast and Croatia, which that's great. Must be terrible. There is like a version of this where this becomes like E R or whatever and they turn over the reigns. Like cognitive hill or something like that. And then I think you run into problems with cast members who maybe just cannot possibly keep doing this year after year after year. But as a story, you know, I think that there is an obvious difference in the last season and the feel in the really the speed of plot pace assist on how long let's race seven. What's a race? We've Clinton forget the books for now because we have as a can't week, but how long do you think the show could've gone on for had it not been like? Okay. No, eight sounds good. Let's do six mega episodes up. Like three ish three more threes like three ten episodes seasons. I think. Yeah. I think a total of ten season seems reasonable. I I will say as as much as I would like this particular show and this version of the story to go on forever. I am excited at the spinoff. And I think knowing that we're gonna get to explore different aspects of this universe and world. We're going to stay in the world, and there will be some sort of connective tissue to the ideas and the lower and to learn more about this mythology that people have obsessed over for so long. That's interesting. Ted seasons would have been fun. Yeah. I think also ten seasons especially the way that they felt like in two three or four like that that feeling like you were getting like the full meal that was raised out. And that tends you ten episode way, which I think is sort of been. I would not loss. But I definitely think in the last this season coming up in the preseason. I felt like oh, man. This is almost like the Super Bowl every day. And it doesn't it doesn't actually feel like an arc. Is it feels like you really understood and geography of the world when it was at that pace. I think of the whole various Merman theory would be like he crossed sees for real twice. And like and was just like back all of a sudden where he had left from in. The course of an episode. I mean that. In totality out growth of the fact that they had to speed up the pace. I think in some ways it's actually only question will be able to answer in hindsight when we see how season eight field what the pace of it. And what the clip of it is like does it feel like it really is just a one or two massive battles. And that's it or we're gonna have those quieter moments that I think people really cherish. The battles are great when you're listing the best game of thrones episodes or you're listening the best game of thrones moments. You're naturally going to gravitate toward those moments of shock and awe and just the sheer spectacle of it. When you're actually can't believe that this is on television. But when you think about what you love most about the story, and what you cherish most. When you found yourself with characters right or something like the conversation between Serbian, and Robert I think about a lot in season one that's show invention. And it's a moment where you say to yourself. These Decres actually really understand the characters. This is amazing and. It's just two people sitting in a room sharing a sizable goblet or to have wine and talking about how it could never have worked for them. And like that could be a CW drama. You know, that could be Showtime that could be any show about anything because it's about the human condition and the best fantasy stories are always going to operate on both of those levels. What is the magic at play? And what is the humanity at play? And so if we don't have time for moments like that in the final season, I think we will find ourselves saying we wish we had more time. And if we get them like that, maybe it'll feel like it was right? Yeah. I mean, I do wonder how much of it will feel like coda. I think in the trailer. We have a sense that. I mean, we were just talking back stage about this. But I think that the trailer for the most part. Designed to actually not show us that much of the season there that there's probably a huge element of the show this season that we have not even gotten a of which is kind of amazing to think about I mean, I think everybody's sort of concluded that we're seeing the preparations for and maybe a little bit of aftermath and during the battle of winter fell. Yes. So we know this isn't the spoiler. It's more like speculation. But we can deduce from what we know about the also patch directing of the episodes this season supposed to be the third and the fifth guy and he's hard home etcetera. So it's seems like the battle winter fell will be upset three and everything in that trailer pretty much except for obviously the shots. A couple shots of John Danae beyond the wall every date. Beach somewhere ground somewhere. It was almost all it was it was a trailer for the battle, really. And I think that's really smart because it gets you hyped for something massive every everywhere, you go on the internet or you're reading about it's like, this is the longest battle ever filmed and modeling it off of Helm's deep studying towers, and that's really cool because you can get hyped about the event and one thing, but also know that there's all of this other stuff coming in the season that you have no idea about it. All. All right. Let's do. I want to ask you one more question before we take some questions from the audience. I don't want to do something as silly as death predictions. But I do kinda wanna know if there's in your mind, you have a satisfying ending. Or if it's easier we can just do death predictions. Stood death desperate because I think that is I can't I can't piece together the satisfying ending ways. I want to be upset and pissed at the show and that would be itself traditional in traditional with what the best of the show somebody somebody you love has to die in order for this story to really fulfill the promise that it is laid out for itself. Yeah. I while. I'm sitting here saying I want to be okay. I won't go to be. Okay. I want to be loved to be. Okay. I what I really want truly is for the show really fucked me up. Yeah. Like like like, I'm Lee. In my bed of blood. And I'm looking Benny off in prophecy. A throw run me over with a bus. I mean, that's kills Jay with a bowling ball game of thrones Jamie to kill me and the sill on for prophecy. Jamie needs to kill Starsky, and why will Jamie kill starchy? I feel like I'm in class. Maybe Jamie sees brand fall in battle. Now. It'd be a real tragedy. Obviously that would be devastating and knowing maybe that, sir. See if she had brought her forces up could have given them a better chance, maybe. The hand around the neck. Finally, I need Jamie, Kelsey, so she can't live. She had not let it what? If she does. That would be such a bad for everybody involved in the show and not live. Let's take another quick break for a word from our sponsor. Today's binge abode brought to you by policy genius getting life insurance can feel like assembling, the world's worst, jigsaw puzzle. It's confusing man takes forever when you're finally done this thing, look awful. But if you have a mortgage kids or anyone who depends on your income. It's a puzzle you need to solve and policy genius can help you do it policy. Genius. Lets you compare quotes from top insurers to find the best policy for you. Just two minutes when you apply online. The advisers policy genius will handle all the red tape and even to go. She ate your rate the insurance company no commission sales agents. No hidden fees, helpful advice, Christmas, policy genius. Also makes it easy to find the right home insurance auto insurance or disability insurance. 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I think that breaking the wheel is what actually has to happen meltdown, you melt down the to make the throwing melt them down again on make it now whether that means independent kingdoms or democracy. I think I don't know. But think about how Danny promised Yara that she could have demand of the iron islands when they struck their packed. And then later and her advisers are saying, well, what if everybody they ask that they can ask too. So what if they do ask I think everybody having a dominion over there? That's a revolutionary idea. And that's kind of the promise that she is laid out for her regime, and I think it would be for her to backslide on that. And be like we're just going to do it all over again. Iran thrown pay me the taxes. I rule everything that's interesting in in and of itself. But that's like now continue the story because. Here's a person who. Projected themselves as having these high heels revolutionary ideals who basically is as corrupt as everyone else. That's interesting. But like, I agree with you. It's going to be west can be completely changed. It's not going to look the way it looked. There's not going to be an iron throne again. I also reserve the right to completely change think. Chris. My prediction is that Tyrian is on the throne politician that John Danny retired adorn and turn it into kind of like an beatha. And. Javy patch things up halfway. Just take another run at family. What I mean? Like, your prediction, everyone's just pumping out, incest babies. You think game of thrones is going to you phrase. It that way. Let's go to the right side here. I have a question about a binge mode specifically and just like from one fan on behalf. The other fans. Thank you for the work. You put into gift? And I remember the first moment I heard Jason Rita sexier from Dr Martin, and I had to stop and call when I friends I'm like holy shit. This exists. No, can you just talk a little bit about the process of doing an episode by episode because I always try to imagine my head. What do you actually doing to make that I listened to a lot of George interviews? And then I put my line, really home. No. I mean, we we just outlined a lot and read and rewatch, and then just write these Titanic outlines that we can't actually let people know how long they are. Yeah. We spent a lot of time talking about it together just in general, and that's always been true. Just not only in our professional relationship in our friendships were sincerely passionate about these stories. And we talk about it a lot and the process of talking about it. A lot realize that there are things we wanna talk about more. And then we have all these wonderful outlets in which we get to do that. It's just a real it's a real gift. And I think one of the things that we take very seriously a lot of people talk about Harry Potter. It's not like. An original idea necessarily. So it's like how can we make it original walk? Can we do that? We'll feel fresh and new and part of that is the passion and hopefully the approach and just trying to parse really every element of it. And make sure that we adding to the conversation, and I think that's an important point. Because there's a lot of really good game of thrones content out there and that had been out there for a while. So it was like how can we make different? We can just pour as much as ourselves into it as possible our point of view in the way, we think about the story and also like the how we feel emotionally about the characters and just being like one hundred percent up front and super nerdy about it in the most sincere way, I think that's a big thing too. When you're any age. But like when your kid, and you're falling in love with the story. Like, this whatever that story might be for you. You're going to have that moment where you're like this. Okay. Okay. That I care about this thing that much, and it's really validating when somebody in your life. You know, I feel this way about my dad, and when he built a little shelf in my bedroom. I was kid and put all these fantasy stories on it for me. And like, I think that felt like a real gift to us being able to say out loud. I love this thing. And then having all these people say I love it back and just getting to share that together is like really just something we really cherish. We really felt the weight of responsibility as people who love the story to do Justice to a story that millions of other people love as well. They're they're really generous too. I mean, they've been happy really nice enough to license out binge mode to me, and I'll be starting binge abode triple frontier next. One hundred fifty episode breakdown of each moment of triple. No. I listen to that record next question. Jason you mentioned the willingness to translate some less educated folks into the knowledge base, you guys are there. Are you talking about Chris? Yeah. Jelly golden company by. Just curious. The what evidence is there for aria to to know or -ssume that Serio ferrall actually died serious alive says Mallory I ride hard for this hard east. He Jockan maybe. Maybe we don't see him die. We'd also you die. We didn't see status is dead. You should read up Riley maxi wrote a great post on the ring. We're doing this daily. Loose ends countdown. Please read a police all of them. And one of them is basically, I believe the headline was really good. We haven't seen your corpse or you really dead. And also, of course, sometimes we see your corpse back to life. So Blackfish also didn't see him die. I wanted to see that guy's Dezsi. And he was like I'm running I'm going to take them on. And what he's that one time. Like that. I think cereals alive. Washin alot one. I wonder Secondly the other guys point about a dip Benjamin. I love the sports and the the Minerva galleon a love it. So question is as both scholars and fans of the show. How do you think about the difference between game of thrones based on the novel versus game with the TV show? Andy made a point similar to this where all the death. Now, preceded by a giant speech. So just thinking about how the teacher how the show runners are treating as show versus when it was just based on. Yeah. I mean, that's it's one of the most fascinating sort of pop culture experiments. I think I've seen in the last ten years watching this show like lose that scaffolding in some ways, and that scaffolding might have been the most part about this show in some ways. What do you guys think? I don't know. That's good and complicated. Question. I personally book love, obviously, I do not believe that. Like, I think some people think the show lost its way when it moved beyond the books. I don't feel that way winds of winter that that's not in the books. The show was well beyond the books at that point. And that is not only my favorite episode of game of thrones. Where my favorite episode of television, literally ever, I think that is a perfect our TV. So what is the show want? What are the books want? I mean, again, I think George sought to craft something that was like as big as the world that he had built where. What are the characters? Call. What is the world? The world doesn't have a name hito Bill. Our boss bell things that takes place in the thirteen hundreds. And almost as history of our relationship with sevens. When he asked what you're just gave them throw. You know, and I raise that because we were really like should we just like the nineties Vikings in western Massachusetts Vikings, but what's the world call earth? It's the known world, and what's the importance of the idea of something that's known, all unknown. And I guess that is the difference that I would highlight at this point. It's for the show. It's increasing about what is known, and how can we condense that and focus on and solve it and for the books increasingly about the unknown world. What haven't we seen? What might we never see will we ever sell less? I think it would have been wonderful. If that scaffolding still could undergird these seasons that said, I think it's less about the show runners losing touch with the characters and the lower than it is. To go back to Georgia's desire to create something that could never be adapted. I think it's. More this size of this story. Running up against the business of making television show. Why are there six episodes and not ten because some contractual funny business? So you don't have to resign the actors to a full other season. You know what I mean? Like, that's. He really did it. He created a story. That's so big. You have to shuffle it around in order to adapt it, and I think it's more. I really think some of the shortcomings of the previous season are just simply because source too big. It's just so so so big that can't fit it in the boxes that it needs to fit in anymore. Not so much that Benny on Weiss don't understand, Jamie. Season three or season two. I think that's really the case. So while I do take issue with at times with certain choices they made in the later seasons. I also understand that like you can't have every character in there. You can't have time we've ever gotten kind of frustrated with the show it's only ever been because the show is doing TV shit. Right. It's not because it's. They always really really great writers. Like, they in some ways like filmmakers did things that George could never do in terms of they have music. They have cinematography they have actors, they have editing. Do what they're doing things with these tools that George can only suggest by cross-cutting, maybe the narrative, but they essentially do some stuff where it was like then they got over there. And we don't have to see that bar and that was a little bit tough. Because you're like I put in a lot of time on this show. Yeah. Like, you can you can treat me like a grownup show me everything. Right. That was kind of the thing. That's just my next. Question for the full panel here going back to the there is a theory out there that brands connection to the night. King leads to John killing brand end the war, the U, how feasible do you think that that's an area? I think it's in play for sure. That thing. I just think it's it's heavily in play reading the tea leaves and like reading all the things that aren't where would pace yourself. Eating the weird pace down there in the cave seeing everything through time. And I think it's heavily in play. I like it from John's perspective weirdly, I really don't like it from brands perspective. I. I'm increasingly accepting that this might happen. It's one of the most popular I put it like in running neck and neck with is Tyrian area. And as most popular theories at this point, well Tyrians at target, and that's not even theory. They they have the same. I hope they're both not for the same reason. Like if everybody of consequence on the story is a target area in then this isn't about identity in the way that we thought it was about how they needed twenty three and me on this show. This. Episode three. It's like, oh, we're all related. Thrown right here. Right. Quicker show and from the brand night king perspective choice, which is another like core pillar in a fantasy story. If brand is the night king or brand is all the brands or brand is the macking any of the brand is X theories. Then the choices and the decisions that the characters have made don't matters much. And I don't want that to be true. Because to me, the most interesting part of the story is the choices that they make it really into the architect monologue from the matrix of that happens. Oh, so good natural plug for every washable. Logical matrix. Next two part question. First for Mallory over under on Oriole losses. This year. To set it. And then I picked the over or the under hundred five Jesus Christ. I think that the Orioles have are in the running to have the worst record in baseball. I realize pains me to say. So true. I think Manny Machado every day. Second question for everybody. Does get the girl. Are you talking about brand or you talking about Sheila? Or spraying? Well, I think we ship Jamie, Jamie and Brienne pretty hard. They. Yeah. In the baths was like that was incredible time sin all time saying they understand each other in a really intimate an important way. And I'd love to see them together and torment and Bram like torment does he make it out of episode two or three and? Tough times there's going to be a very small window where torment and Brian can get it in and. It's going to have to be very small like it's going to be like five eighty. Yeah. Yeah. They're just it's going to be in that five and a half to eight minute window window for Jamie and brand the only couple ship harder than Jamie brand at this point is and Giora. So I really small window there as well. The next question. So I'm recently exposed to just finished it like last month. We're not listening to anything that we've been saying. It's been surprising. But I guess. One thing I struggled with watching the show is the night. King seem like really flat to me. And I'm just wondering do you have any ideas about maybe a motive or an arc? I mean, he commends a lot of attention and push them to the side. His his if he has an animating principle or animating philosophy. We're not really sure what it is. He was the children of the forest created him in order to try and check the expansion of mankind. But what does he want beyond that? I think is a real whole story that I hope that they fill in what what's the night kings platform. What is his his thing? What do you stand for? What are you? Standard is real estate. Real estate guy creating new deal. Yeah. The the question not only one of the white walkers one. We don't know still to this point, you know, babies, and you just want to be guys. They just want to be. I think that's why we're seeing so much of the winter fell crypts and the marketing season we've got a lot of shots in the crypts. And the main trailer we had in the first Matic trailer was set in the crypts is that strictly steamatic in terms of the the idea of John's identity probably it plays that way, regardless. But what is in the Crips are there to free other? Obviously the idea that the Nike has stark is well supported. So finding out what he wanted to after. We haven't seen him. He's face John multiple times. John's looked into his eyes. And he hasn't killed him. Yet, plenty of chances to kill John has not done it. Why does he need John and Danny's? He does he need John is gonna turn John into the night came all of those things are in play. But that has to be the predominant one of the predominant thrust of also we should say we did not see the Nike and the trailer. He is not on the trailer. And you would think that the battle of winter fell when they king is now on his reanimated dragon Steed that he's going to be a very very last shot of the trailer proper is is a horse. That's can't be you lead with the dragon not the horse last question, really quick. So this one's from what is the game? The characterize game of thrones equivalent of Joe flacco and. Lamar jackson. Classic question. Thank you. Great. Great. Changing the actors for Dario. Flaco? Well, he said flacco and Lamar. Oh, yeah. Right. So you start with first star you. Recon flacco. Never did the three cone. So Lamar is obviously the prince those promise, so John is a high. Amid smoking. Thank you guys so much for coming. Thank you guys so much for over the years really excited to do the show for Jason from our cranky coming out. Thank you. Well. This isn't about noble houses. This is about the living podcasters and the dead. Like is that cram are indispensable for researcher? Fucking don't worry. We can resurrect them. We hope you had as much fun as we did today that you're as excited as we are to resume this journey, and they will join us again next week for more season preview talk until then remember, no one walks away from us. Man. I was just Chris my crossbow. Asri? Now is wondering. Wonderful time we spent together here in this room ethically. Red-carding Benjamin game of thrones. Yes.

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Easy Digital Marketing Growth Tips For Entrepreneurs Part 1

Pamper My Business Podcast

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Easy Digital Marketing Growth Tips For Entrepreneurs Part 1

"Hi, I'm Molly, I'm bud. Check out my interview on Kim Beazley's pamper my business podcasts. Are you stuck when it comes to figuring out how to deal with your business, brain, align the checkout, ever, my business retraining helps you learn happy deeply start building your business brand online. Jeff Gowda, free dot pamper. My business dot com. Remember it free. I'm the hope mind is where you will learn to and that will give you the freedom to easily build your business free online. So that view be thing. And then they'll your target. I will be interviewing industry later and professional who will share their knowledge and experience which will help you brain here online. Get ready, eight note and learn for Kim and her gift because this is going to be a fun learning experience. One is basically again with hamper my business typecast, I'm so excited today. I have Molly young glued with me today. And we're going to talk about one of my favorite, topics. Go and not just we're gonna talk about Google my business now, Molly is a digital marketing consultant with over ten years of experience working with Desio. That's the gogo. Search console Google and so much more. She's also a gogo partner and Google product expert, I can keep going on and on about things and all the titles that she has all the credentials. She has a lot of, but I'm not gonna get into that right now because why are the things I want to focus on is something that most businesses and a lot of online businesses are not aware of and that's Google is. And so that's going to be our topic for today, and we're gonna. Championed by me, asking you, Molly. What is the purpose of your business? The purpose of my businesses help business owners maximize their marketing on Google. So whenever I talk about didn't marketing like to explain it is kinda digs all Hoezle. Meaning the several different things of business owner can do to maximize digital marketing efforts is separately things like SEO SEM, which your Google ads using our. Oh, what if I know already said, but I figure I'll let you explain. So certain optimization is actually maximizing your websites debt with that means is when Google or another search engine looks at your website, look at your website like this. It looks at the coating of the website. In terms of SEO. My job is gonna win do an audit figure out. What's there? What's not air? What can I do to improve it? There's other aspects about SEO such as excellent site maps affects files, I probably could talk about SEM. Our law. Overview, what is ios it? It's it's making sure that the website is optimized for search. Okay. What is this as the stance? Research in marketing was the glee referring to Google at so many times due to search for product service at the very top of the search results you're gonna see paid advertisements these remained as Google ads in terms of using ads. I always recommend using a Google partner because Google partners are certified for hours, meaning that they have taken a series of classes trainings in certifications. They have to renew this patients every year stay as a Google. Okay. What is the purpose of your business? So now, let's get into how did you start your business? That's a great question is pretty interesting stories there back in two thousand two was working for a large finance company when I entered the department there Agassi was at sixty percent, and that was horrible my opinion. So I. And moved building the database. I was able to improve their reporting accuracy to ninety nine point nine percent consistently month after month year after year in then in two thousand two mice aggresder at the time was like, hey, he need to enter this into the sock contest that frame at offering in. You know, why not so interested in that was one of some people will Antar United States that one the technology serving at war in certain there. I decided that wanted to branch out in allies might -nology skills. So I started my agency originally provided just website designed to begin with in my clients would come back. Hey, Molly, this great website. But I'm not getting traffic from it. I'm not getting any customers from it. So that's why I started expanding my agency to include services like engine optimization. Glad in Olympics with my business and other products that Google offers help business owners succeed online. We'll how. Thank you so much for sharing about how you got started in your business. One of the things that I really want to cover today is Google my business, and I don't think people know a lot about it and how Gook Google my business can help them. And now that when people hear Google my business thing. Oh, that's for people to have a store that you could go into. But what most people may not know is that Google my business can be set up a virtual business also. So before we get into any more in the interview, I want you to explain how Google my business works for what is called a brick and mortar distance and online business. Sure. So Google my business what it is. It's like a free online business listening that go offers business owners typically brecca more locations can use it in so convertible. -cations? And I think that's where a lot of people get confused because they think, oh, you know, I'm storefront I need to clean, my Google, my business listening, but lot of my clients have come to me at Pershing been like, well, I don't have a brick and mortar location. I do freelance work or I do computer repair, or I don't have a physical occasion where I worked for out of my house in. So there is way to give win and claimed or go my business listening, even if you are a non brick and mortar location, there are certain guidelines that you have to adhere to in order to claim and verify your Google. My visits listening in to make sure that it doesn't get penalized. Definitely something he won't follow the guidelines that Google set forth to make sure that that Google my business listing is good standing for those people who do work at our home. They don't want to use their home address for their their listing. Can they use appeal? Vox, you cannot before you go farther. Can they use a PO box that has a an address associated with it instead of seeing PO box, blah, blah, blah. It actually has an address now the cannot. Okay. So explain how a virtual business that works out of the home can be said for Google my business. Okay. So this is a concern with a lot of my clients who work from their home. They don't want their home address published. So there is a way you have to use your home address when you register your business, but there's a way to actually hide that address once the Google physicists in goes live. And I think that's where a lot of people kind of get disconnected because I think oh, well, if I use my Abbas gonna display address, and that's not the case, if certainly as I mentioned, not all of this work in a brick and mortar location. So it's necessary for us to use our address. S to Google. Oh, hey, I'm a business owner, I work at my house, but same time they understand. They don't want your home address publicly displayed in plastered all over the internet. Instead, they give you the option to actually hide it information. That is also so listeners if you don't have Google my business. Well, let me rephrase that them back ups if you have not cleaning your business name via Google, my business, you you definitely have to do that what's to link where they can go to start it. Sure. So all you need to do is log onto your Google or g mail account, go to Google type Google business from there. You'll see a screen were in the upper right hand corner. We'll ask you to log in or register in it will ask for your Email address in your password. And then it'll taking on over to your Google. My business portal where you can go in and update your permission. You can access. Post actually recently this week. They just announced a new feature where you can actually schedule vets. So these events will actually show up on Google businesses. So say, for instance, you're having a spring in the March sale offer ten percent off you can actually create an event to permit that awesome. Now that we've talked about Google my business because that to me is very important that people need understand and get their business set up for I wanna move into more of trouble shooting, and and lessons learnt, so the the first question, I wanna ask what are some lessons that you have learned along the way in regards to Google products or just getting a business set up with Google products or for search, right? So when a client comes me in they asked me, I need to be online. I need a website. I need to market myself. Where do I start a, mama? He's going to refer to your website. Obviously, you need a website to get started from there. You wanna make sure that the website is optimized for search and some of the lessons that I've learned just through the years of consulting with businesses business owners that Google offers all these products for free for the most part. Now, the only there are couple of products that you have to pay for depending on what products you want us. But for the most part Google wants to see business owners succeed. That's why they offer things like Google my business Google Olympics. Google search console these are all free products for business owner, she us in what I found is a lot of people. They're not even aware that these products are out there for them. And that's part of my job is a consultant to make them aware. Hey, you now that you've got your website in place, and you've got it off to mice research. Now need to start marketing part of it. That's another thing that I've learned that a lot of business owners. They think oh, I got website. I'm online. Customers are just going to start rolling in doesn't work. Does not work that way is important how website, but the main component once you get your website up and running is to market yourself. Margaret yourself on social media market yourself with podcast do blog posts, there's video marketing mobile marketing, there's all sundry different ways that you can Mark business, and I find that's where a lot of business understand kind of connect to that you have to actually market the business to try and find customers, I agree. And and when it comes to finding your customers in using Google products to do it. There are so many products. I can't even get into into it. And and just so, you know, Molly, and I actually met through Google events in and things like that. We're both Google product experts in and working with Google partner. Ed over the years, we've traded information with each. Other. And and and one of the things that I really love is that Molly knows her stuff. She really does. And she's really good resource. If you're looking for someone to help you get things set up with Google in digital marketing. How did you have a client deal with over Wim, you know, especially if they're on edge and they're looking over and they're like, I'm a job. I'm stressed out. I'm frustrated. How do you get them over the over whim when it comes to Dili with search engines and getting their websites to come up on the first page because that by self is a women, what are some things that you let's say what are three things that you say that they need to do in order to get over the overwhelm, right? So the first thing I would tell a business owner is that it is possible to. Online. That's where I come in. Because I have spent years training myself. Learn good products. No them inside an out backwards and forwards. So that way, I can lend my experience to you. So that you can benefit from my expertise. Another thing the second thing I would recommend to a business owner is take small steps. Try to look at the big picture. Don't overwhelm yourself with. Oh, I got into. We gotta do gotta a good business. I gotta do. I gotta do list, and it can be it can be overwhelming because there are so many products out there. So a typically try to come up with a plan. So step-by-step case that one claim Gula my business thing. Let's start small step to now. We've got that. Let's set up your social media profiles step three. Let's look at your website. See if is optimized for search. So I just try to take them step by step into the realm of digital marketing. So it's not so over woman. You have been listening to Penn for my business bycatch, and I am your host camping joined the pen for my business community by visiting temper my business dot com where you'll find our free training along with our masterclass. So the to continue your learning journey about building your brand online. 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How Expectations Can Suffocate Your Relationship | Relationship Theory

Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu

40:10 min | 3 years ago

How Expectations Can Suffocate Your Relationship | Relationship Theory

"Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of relationship theory. I'm here with my beloved wife missed tremendously because we've not hardly seen each other outside of a business context in quite some time. But her name is Lisa Dili's. Everyone must love because that's like interest. Now to every episode is that we see each other. They hear you say that a loss when it makes my radar than like, that's different. That's true. Inside soon Mitchell, you text me coupla days ago, and I was like gulp smacked by which we never even spoke. Here's the thing that well, the text was that, hey, we really need to make sure that we carve out time during the week to spend quality time together because I'm about to be gone almost three full weekends in a row Utech up to me, would you ever this pattern recognition all took me eighteen years? But I've did finally get to the point where I can see just by how many weekends. We'll miss that. I'll be feeling it. And if I'm going to be feeling that I know that you'll be feeling it even before that's what let me just send this now. There's still time to do something about it before it happens. Like, it's one thing to after it happens. No like, hey, we'll be able to recalibrate we'll reconnect all that. But I thought it's just smarter to say let's connect now. And I know that people are out in the world taking over unders on whether or not I burn out. And it's interesting how that has been an I won't even say who it came from because I actually really really liked them. And they were asked like who's your favorite podcast guest of all time? And at least one of them said me, and then their guests was like now, I don't really vibe with him. Like he's too much one of those just like grinded out people. And they were like, yeah. I do worry that he's going to burn out. And I thought all right. That really like I was like you don't understand how dot kind of thing drives me. But it doesn't drive me in the way that I think people think it drives me to be super vigilant about the things in my life. That will make sure that I don't burn out. And the thing that makes me. Arrogant beyond belief about the fact that I won't burn out is I really believe it when I say if you need a random Tuesday off fucking it like without hesitation without feeling badly. And that's why I was like that seeing how many times I'm going to be gone on the weekend. I know how I'm going to start to feel about that in terms of our relationship, and it's not gonna be good. So cool just address it now, which means yes there will be times during this week and maybe next week where it won't be true that Monday through Friday, if I'm awake mother working or working out. And but like that is so smart and so the right decision to in those moments. Have the ability to be nuanced in my beliefs and values to say as I have stated from the beginning. My relationship is my highest priority because it is the thing that gives me the most in my life, and so to protect that to prioritize that as the only thing that makes sense. Then got going off what you said about that that person that said, I don't think people a realized how much I can walk. But be when you say like, I'm not going to walk like, it's very easy looks like it's very easy for you to switch off. So like you said like if you start to feel it you like coke? I'm gonna hang out with my wife phones down and you just going to concentrate on me new being together. And I find it very hard to do that. Like I can't switch on and off like that like Fritz gone on vacation. I still have my phone name me. I'm checking every so often you'll at night like I'm on vacation, I'm reading and you won't check your phone. And so I think that that probably helps you with the kind of grinding. I was so impressed. This is like I think the first time at least in memory where you've done that. We you split it to a head of time. And I was going to all skew actually, hey, we've got a lot going on we need to spend time together. But I was finding the right moment. And I was looking your calendar of your deadlines 'cause I always want to be very respectful to the things that you cannot push off because it will affect the company so but you actually beat me to it. And when you text me that because for so long, I've trained myself to be like, this is your responsibility. He doesn't mean by its very, you know. Pullman in your relationship that you're the one the us in me is the one that has to speak up. And so because I've learned because of adapted to it. I don't expect you to. So the fact that you did that I told myself, and I remember this very specific class. Like, this is so amazing. I know that your language is what's affirmation. So immediately. I was like this is so meaningful to a he has to know how much this is. So it takes like, I think ten times how much that to me. But also, I didn't get tricked into thinking. Okay. This is who he is. Now is like if I did that I think that next time I would get my fun myself back into that same hole of like but lost time. He thought he thought about it. What does it not mean? I'm important now, and that's a Trump. So I told myself this is an amazing one off. This is so meaningful to me. Let him know how meaningful is to you. And really take advantage of. You know, what he's off gang? But don't hold it against him next time. If he doesn't do it because then you find that some people do that with literally going to warn you really. It made my radar this time, which is amazing. And I'm glad I'm super glad that you reinforce the behavior which means that it's more likely over time to release a little fi. But the things in my personality that make it such that I get so focused on something that I'm not aware of the chaos around me means that I'm likely to the next time. This happens just not even noticed that there's three weekends in a row until like, I'm already in the middle of it. And I'm like midway through you know, I'm being like shuttled off to the airport on week two. And I'm like, wait. I'm leaving again. Like, that's definitely the the way that it would normally have. And it just sounds right now, I'm going through this moment where I'm really critical of how my time is being spent. And so I've been looking out into the future on my calendar to see what I can kill because we've hit this like really fascinating a mesh equipped grateful for it. But this sort of fascinating moment in our journey where a lot of people are aware of who I am. And so they're reaching out. Me and people are constantly trying to introduce me to people who just want just one quick question and an in isolation. Saying no to any one of those people feels rude, but not even that I want to be able to help people. But then when you realize just how many people reach out with that just one quick question. All of a sudden, it's like I would literally if I said yes to even half the things that came in. I would be working for other people fulltime. So I've just now had to get really like just have a metric by which I judge whether or not I say yes to something. And so because that's what was on my mind. I happened to look at my calendar. It happened to trigger in me feeling which made me realize if I feel that I know she's weighing which is amazing. But yeah, I find that some people actually have one person I'm very in mind. I'm thinking of specifically. I remember I also like, oh, you're going to do x y and z and they said, no, even though I actually don't mind doing that right now. I don't want it to become an expectation, and I just thought to myself at the time like, wow, that's actually really dangerous because like I understand why she said that in the sense of all the people do expect like if you've done it once now is going to become a habit. And then if you don't miss disappointment again, but I think that then it's rubbing them and yourself of that one lovely moment. Right. So going back to the situation where you would set to me that's call out some time. I felt so one. Wanted. I fell needed. I felt HUD, I felt appreciated but I didn't want to punish you by. Then expectant for me. And it being like just take this one lovely suggestion as it is. It's this one moment in time that he happens to for whatever reason didn't even know the story how you came about it. But it was very clear to me on. Why you now is very clear to me of why how that cascaded into then texting me to expect that every time is only setting you up for disaster, which means we're gonna we're gonna go step backwards in all relationship and evolution which is obviously not a great. And then also I think is gonna make you more hesitant in the future to be like, I kind of want to do this. But if she's not going to expect to 'em I now like hunting. Well, let's talk about that. Because there's what is right. And I'll define that is what moves you towards your goals. And there is what is wrong, and I'll define that. As what movie away from your goal? So if your goal as mine is is to have a relationship that is so fulfilling and so such a safe place and such an exciting place. And like just literally the thing that you can't imagine being without like if that's really what you want to build. Then it's like, well the right answer is to when I think about that too. Absolutely. Reach out to speak to you in a language that you'll understand because that gets me what I want which is this really amazing relationship. So the reason that the that I wouldn't want it to become an expectation is because. The odds are I won't remember it next time or won't make my raider. It just happened to be this confluence of events. So I was so excited that it made my radar. That's what I just want people to understand the difference between you you should want the other person to expect things like, I treat you. Well, I make you feel good about yourself. And and to not one the other person to expect kindness generosity love affection like that's fucking insane. And if that's where you're at. And you're worried about giving something like that. Well, I don't want the old girl to expect you know, kiss on the cheek every day. It's like this man, what kind of relationship you building towards here. Whereas if you're like, hey for real like, it just happened to be this confluence of events. This is I just know myself well enough to know, I get my optically focused on stuff, and it actually is a large part of why we're successful because I'm like that because I think obsessively about things so but that just means that don't expect this next one even though I wish you could. Even though I wish that like that would just make my radar every time, and I'd be super aware of it because it would match it would be more in line with my values system. So it's just that one. We're both being sensitive to the non expectation because it would be misinterpreted as not caring. If I don't do it next time because that actually isn't is not me withholding something, it's just not it not making my radar. Where'd word chance to fest question? Let's do it. All right. This is from Hamad Aschner high fallen in love with my best friend, and she's very goal oriented. I've been relationships before. But none like this one. We both have big aims and goals in my goes me nothing to me. If I cheat them without I know, it can achieve what I want. But I will not be happy at all. If she will not be with me at the end of the journey. So how do we balance our big goes together? What do I do when I'm fully supporting her goals and pushing her to achieve as well as loving her? Sometimes I feel like I slow her down in short. How can I make this relationship successful along with the cheating, both mine and her goes did that question take a hard right for you the last bet as well as loving her? Sometimes I feel like I slow head. Yeah. So I feel like there's two things in here to address so one I want to. I'm going to take a really unpopular opinion. So and I talked about this with Peter where you're listening to the Peter Attiyah healthy while it was happening yet. Well on and off I mean, okay. Did you hear the part where I said I'm going to live longer than you? Yes. Okay. I forget about it. Now like just reopened the funding. She to film it. On my phone, even though we had six countries. G I. I was sitting that and you said like an my wife's going to have a heart attack. And I know what you say. This is going to be. I have no idea what he's gonna say. And so. Live. You're trying to cancel way. No, I didn't say, and then I say sorry. So no that was awesome. So in the episode. We were talking about the reality is I just think that. That unfortunately, I will live longer than you and reason being I mean, I'm not as strict on. You're not a strict, you're not you don't live quite as healthy. A you. Push yourself too hard with things like the gyms you struggling with your microbiome. But you don't have the sense of self preservation to back. The fuck off doing Kim. My early is teenagers. You've made. I have not made. Now, obviously, I'm going to try to do everything in my parodies. I want us both live forever. We all know that. But when I think about the devastation, I would go through if something happened to you like. I already know that I'm not impervious to loss. I used to think I wasn't. I know now though, simply not true. And then if every reaction that I have in my life is always outsized compared to what I can expect. I already think that losing you would just be it would it would knock me for six so hard that I know that there would be a period in my life, where it's like I would need people around me and stuff just to help me stay emotionally stable like, I totally get that embrace. But the thing that I would say to myself over and over and over is this too shall pass like the the sense of just just unimaginable loss and heartache and all that it will pass, and I need to invest in the fact that it will pass so that I can continue to live life and all that. So what I hear in? This question is somebody who believes that the words he used it's only worth having if we can have it together. And I just want people to break themselves of that and to build a life where you're independently codependent too. Love having that interconnectedness with the other person is amazing. And nobody gets that more than we do. And we've really created that in each other reinforcing that connection and that interdependence and all that and it and it has created something beautiful. But to think that life would not be worth living without the other person is a fundamental mistake. And I think it sets you up for a dangerous sense of unease in your everyday life. Because even though like I'm legitimately terrified about losing you I just put that out of my mind, and I win it does come up. I remind myself it will pass no matter how hard it is. And I've told you one hundred times, especially if I were to die young. I I obviously there's a respectful mourning period. And to know while I'm alive that you would go through that respectful mourning period makes me feel good now while I'm alive, of course, once I'm dead, it doesn't matter anymore. But like knowing that you really believe that now is amazing. Also all. Clock that at a year. I think that anything within the year if I were alive. I would be judging you very harshly. But anything after a year? It's like assume I'm a ghost on your shoulder. I want you to find love again. And I want you to find happiness and all that like that's just real. And so I don't hear that in this question. And I hear somebody who's investing in something emotionally that I think is does not serve him or the relationship. So I would say find that way where you're super excited about the fact that your lover partner. Whatever is like you guys are way invested in each other your way invested in your goals, and you know, that sharing that with them. We'll make it far more extraordinary than it would be without them. But to say that in no way, shape or form is it worth doing if they're not there is a mistake. And and has it's doubly a problem one for the reasons that I just said that they're like sort of undermines your ability to enjoy now because it's like the shaky foundation of God was something ever happens. And then to it has those tones of. Like this isn't enough in and of itself. Like, this is something that can only be. Like enjoyed as a reflection in somebody else's is if that makes sense. And so I think that it is definitely true that a pleasure shared, his a pleasure doubled. It isn't that these things can be intrinsically valuable. So I think that be very very wary of that. Yeah. I mean, that's great advice. And just when I'm when we were paw and doing something exciting like you still need to enjoy those moments. I do text. Julia text me like oh my God. I wish we hit to enjoy. This is so amazing. But that shouldn't take away from the enjoyment that you'll having because then now you'll happiness is Saudi predicated on them being with you on your one hundred percent line. What is impacting this? Hope you guys are enjoying this episode wanted to give a quick shout out to our sponsors. And then we'll get right back to it. Remember our sponsors are all hand chosen. We love these guys and think that they have something incredibly valuable to offer. So be sure to give a listen a lot of these guys are doing special offers just for you. What is up in Paktis? Let me tell you something. I do not drink often. But when I do I always drink with my wife, there is something so amazing about the emotional bubble that you can get into with a nice drink. And so that's why we're so excited to bring you guys, wink, which is spelled W. I N C, and wink is a service that lets you easily. Discover great wines that match your taste. 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But like, for instance, with women of impact for the most part is not something I can really help out with. But they're definitely opportunities that present themselves with a fair amount of frequency where I can be really encouraging or maybe I need somebody that I'm like, you'd be amazing women of impact and to take that opportunity to fully pitch you and to pitch what you're doing and help out in those ways. Like, I do because I wanna see you be successful. Biggest chilly. I certainly tried to be. But in those moments like it is not a race that I get to run with you. And but that's fine. Get to watch me on the right? And I can celebrate you, and I can help you prepare, and you know, comfort you when you lose, and, you know, be stoked when you win and all that. But ultimately, that's something that you're going to do in your own. And if I were trying to be at your hip at all times, it would slow you down because people like what's with the dude who can't get out of the way, and like let you do your thing. So like, for instance, I don't I was gonna say I'm not allowed to attend women impact, actually true. So all the guys here at impact eerie. Now's the dinners are totally the house by six pm because it allows you guys to create a rat vibe. And so that, you know, totally get so in those moments give the person the space. So if you know that you're slowing them down give them the space. And no that that doesn't mean that your relationship isn't worthy or whatever. And just now we have selfish time. So it's the saying that we do even though we have very limited time to spend together. Take a Saturday where we prioritize each other even on a Saturday. There's going to be some time towards the end of the evening, usually where we then go our separate ways. And each start doing the thing that that person really wants to do and the other person doesn't enjoy. So I think that having selfish time having time that's just for you. You don't have to convince anybody you can do your own thing. It makes all the sense in the world. And now because this is going back to something we were talking about just before this meeting righ- was saying, I think that you're right now, the best content creator that we have. Have an impact theory like you really being innovative on your own Instagram page. I think that you're handing me my ass in terms of like, the quality of content that you're putting out you just been really really innovative right now. And it's super exciting. And you said well, and I said I want you to start applying some of that Jews to what we're doing on heel-pass my son. And so you said, well, let me tell you the reality. I don't have to convince anybody I can do whatever I want, and I can just think of something and try it and nobody's telling me. No. And things have gotten big enough on my side that there's a lot of people to convince the bookers and the producers of the show and all that. And it's like, so it's not as easy to just like say, I'm going to try something. And then I do it. And I was like I totally get that. And there's an African proverb that says if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far go as a team, and that's like that's something really important to remember in your relationship because sometimes going fast. Visit exactly what. You want to do? And sometimes going far is what you wanna do. And so in those moments just be real about what you want. And so anyway, this is a lot of words around a very simple thing. Sometimes you probably are slowing down in those times led a race ahead. And just know that doesn't mean that the relationship is invaluable like you're each going to be good at different things. And as we have matured, we've realized what the other person is good at and it has set us free to be far more extraordinary people than if you had to continue mollycoddling me and making me feel like I was just as good at planning as you are right which in the beginning. I actually wanted to believe actually wanted to believe I was better. And so just finally realising now, it's just not true. I'm not good at everything. There is a certain set of things I've chosen to pour myself into to get great at and stay the book out of the things that you're good at. But there's also the flip side is like I desperately want your input your thoughts. And and sometimes. Yeah. But sometimes it's. Then you don't have time, for instance, women have impacts. I think I asked you someone come into what it was now. And you said, I'm not a woman. So I can't give. Good feedback on this. And I said. Uterus. You said you'd never eat us. That's right. But I did say, but that doesn't matter like you have great insights, even from your perspective. How what are your thoughts? And so I think that all ways that you can walk together. But I mean, I don't even take white. What you said I should have just said mic drop leave because I was so split on me. I'm all right next question. This is form he nah, Perot heath, which is funny because almost certainly exactly house pronounced Perot. Keep someone actually wrote to me on Instagram saying you out one of my questions, and I had to love how you pronounce my name. So I d put apologize. Hi, Lisa, and Tom, I've been status relationship over you. Now, my boyfriend has his own business and spending hours nights and days. What can really hot start something new maintaining his carbon business in my relationship? I would have loved to go out hiking shopping shopping, going to the movies, etc. With my math. But the truth is he does not have time fold of this. It took me a while to get used to his lack of time. But then I've accepted that this collect lifestyle is helping him towards his dreams. And I do not want to take him away from that. I've been trying to keep myself, busy, make new girlfriends, etc. I live in an in new city with oh, I understand that the you'll very comfortable with tomes lifestyle now. And you've what together to form a system which works with both of you. But I want to know how you got yourself to accept this in the beginning. Can you share with me some of the biggest things that helped you get that? The funny thing is my next post my next video. Text postal I do on Mondays now is exactly addressing this. His the truth. Once I realized the reason a big pot of what drew me to you in the first place is your ambition is your drive is you'll fest and knowledge is your passion. Like all of these elements that made you stand out to me way above and beyond any other guy that I'd ever met with these qualities and shame when you lose your alarm's going off in abiding shame. So these are the qualities the absolutely a of wife and love the why was in fact, nine foot in love with because that came off the wall is incredibly trap to to you. And so then I started to realize these qualities your drive, your passion, you'll vision, your and ferocity that you have learning all of these things had the effect of me, not spend time with you. And then I thought okay. Well, if I really wanted a nine to five guy that's going to be that it's going to go to the movies with me. That's. Gonna take me on my Matic walks is going to go hiking with me. What does that actually look like no BS like what is pus analogy trait? That goes behind the someone that is spending that time. Okay. I don't wanna say driven because maybe they'll, but they don't have the type of philosophy that you have the I know I'm attracted to. So I realized I was asking for one thing. A wanting one thing for me, which was your passion. You drive your city and at the same time. I was only contradicting myself that I wanted you to be Heim ascend time and be the guy that was extremely attentive and spent every waking moment where he wasn't walking on me. And I realized those two things are completely contradictory. Like, maybe there's a guy out this. Oh, I don't want to ever say never from what my realization was is that the two different people is two different personality traits. And when I look documentaries, and I see these extremely successful people that I really do admire you hear about the home life. And you hear the fact that they all go a lot and they're not around much. So I came to the conclusion that it was my choice, and I chose to be with somebody who is as driven as you are because I'm attracted to and along with without attraction comes consequences. And when I say consequence that I had to walk through because it's like north would I love you to be driven and passionate and still spend your waking moments with me. Yes. I just don't see how that's possible. So the consequence of one thing that I was really drawn to was the fact that I get to spend time with you. So that's my choice. So what do I choose do? I choose someone who's going to be hyme attentive. When I'm going to choose someone that I'm drawn to in this aspect once I made that choice, then it's not bad osc of the stuff of you. And so then it goes to the next stage, which for me I had to address his just because you intellectually no it doesn't mean you can finish him bloody it yet. So I had to take my self through the steps of cable, what is really important to me. Because I still think it's important as a partnership to make demands of each other. So what are the things that no matter what they're important to me? Okay. If I'm feeling like, I'm not connected with you. And I speak up and say, I need your time. If you turned around and said, tough shat, okay? That's Dobrica for me. Because it means it's showing me that you don't care. So I literally just broke everything down like that one thing a time his time and attention. Okay. When I still want selfish time, so I've I work a bunch. I still want selfish time for myself. How do I then bond with you? How do I make sure that my time at matches with dual Tom? So I'd because the truth is, I don't wanna fool outcome chasing the time. I feel like that then becomes waited in you'll direction when now I'm just like making myself available whenever you are the truth. Is that doesn't make me feel good? So how do I then way those things why why is that I wanna feel good about myself? I don't want to come just chasing you. But at the same time. Mule busier than I am. So really laying out or the things that are important breaking those things down into actual step actionable steps on how I'm going to emotionally handle it. And what the logistical things are like, for instance, I reach out now to your assistant, and we look at both our calendars matches up that way, it feels like we're on equal Paul's on equal Wang what's supposed to face them thinking of Plainfield. They even so that's a. This word and to your point about making demands, you definitely weren't shy. Like, I encourage these guys to find a. Solution that scales? So you need to be able to find a rhythm. Now. I don't care if he's in year one of trying to be an entrepreneur year. Fifty it's finding a rhythm now that you're happy with for the rest of your lives. And if you can't find that you have a problem because for six and a half years, you thought okay, just a little bit longer. Just a little bit longer just a little bit longer. And then you finally put your foot down and said, look, this is damaging our relationship. And so then we found ways to prioritize the relationship, and then I caught a fight that the relationships most important thing, which then made it clear how to like act, so yeah, they need to find something that that they're prepared to do for the rest of their lives. But the one thing I'll add to that is not being afraid to always we address that though. So like with meaning you, well, let's say you're ago, we had two very hectic life when we were starting west. It was very take. So recently when the fest issue of new future k. Came out. Just before you said, I know this is an insane time it's gonna die down off. And I said look by. Let's live. In a world that maybe it dozen because you'll so focus in the passion. Enjoy that you're showing right now in this. This is so amazing that like let's not pretend that you want to slow down. Maybe you want to continue at this pace because you love it so much so let's have that conversation because ultimately if you're happy, and this thing is bringing you so much joy. Then I want to encourage that. But we also have to find time to make the relationship doesn't suffer. So instead of pretending because I'd had so many years, whereas like just next year, you'll famous phrase, what was it and other eighteen months, eighteen months? That's why I had every year in eighteen months. And so it was like instead of just pretending that just address. Okay. This is the life that you're living now, and you really love it. I wouldn't encourage that. But I con sustain it in our relationship like this. So what do we now change in our process that allows us to take that next step? I'll just I'll jump in and say that one hundred ten hour weeks. You can't have a relationship like, and I'll just say because that's what I was doing leading up to the release of issue one. And when you run the math, there's just a I wasn't sleeping enough. And I'm the guy that says prioritize sleep, and so I completely abandoned that and I was going to bed super late and setting alarm waking up super early, and then you have to work the entire weekend every weekend. So it's like it there really is a point at which it's just not sustainable, and so when I said that it's interesting you making face, so I'll just tell you. That's a math statement. I totally agree. Most notable. And I don't know how anyone would sustain it. But the face, I'm majoring us sustainable for relationship. Even if I could do that forever. I would be doing that at the expense. My relationship at some point you have to spend time with the person life. And let's say for instance, I would maybe suggest and again going back to like if this made you happy I would want to try and find a way to make it what? What does that mean without asking to have to make out have to make? All right. So if you spend one hundred and five how many hours it was rough one hundred one hundred ten let's say spending one hundred hours a week on walk. I would say look if this makes you happy. And this is the best thing you ever want to do in your life. I would support you, but we would need to figure things out. So that would mean I would need three hours every Saturday with you uninterrupted. I would come up with things. Let's try it out because before you push back like I don't ever want to push back on some of those making you happy. So in these I've tried you're giving the world's worst advice right now. Percent don't think you should try. I think that there are there is a math question at play. And there is unfortunately Aidan time is finite. Time is the one thing that like there is no negotiating with it. And I don't think that you can have a meaningful relationship in three hours a week. No, all I'm saying is there is a point at which the people in the relationship have to decide what is the priority? And if the prior and there's no right or wrong answer if the business is the priority. If success is the priority, whatever, however, they define it. Then. Okay. Maybe then you don't need more than three hours. And you each have a different view of what a successful relationship is. Or a different definition of what success is full stop. Then I do fair enough. But I will say it was blatantly clear to me that. Doing one hundred ten hour weeks was not a sustainable way to have the life. I want to have now as a sprint as like, hey for the next three weeks. I'm gonna have to work hundred ten hours. Okay. No problem with that whatsoever. And I was having a ball, and it was really awesome. And we did something that I think is left people's jaws on the floor. I think it's one of the best books literally. It's one of the best books out today. Period. Foreshore even if it's not like an all time classic. I won't be that arrogant. Let me put out a few more issues before I start making those claims, but we fogging smashed it. There's just no question about that. But looking at it, and I went, okay. Well, this has to be and I believe that it wasn't it. Now is very clearly the case that we were putting the systems in place that would allow us to back way the fuck off. And now, I'm back to call it an eighty which for me is sustainable, I can do eighty hours for the rest of my life. And if people think that's like. Where my burner haven't eighty hours to me is literally not it's a non entity. Yeah. I mean, I guess I feel like I'm missing the point. My point is is that I'm always going to try and make an effort to figure out how we can make something what? And if you turned around to me, and you said, this is the joy of my life. I was always put new fest, but I love whacking at this type of intensity. I wouldn't push back without trying to say. Okay. Well, how do we make this? Because I don't think if you don't always the question, you never going to be able to get to be honest because let's say we try and what they want. Clearly, we've tried to. And I'm still feeding. We're not connected. You'll feel like we're not connected. Okay. So we've tried and it doesn't what how do we scale back versus just going into it saying get no, this isn't gonna work. I think just as an ov-. Woo way of thinking. That's how I like to approach things. That's why we make a good pair because the you've played that out. So well in life. I know how mazing you are at that. But there are just some things that you can look at from the outside and say that's never going to work and one hundred plus hours a week. You just can't you can't have a relationship. So I the point of what you're trying to say is super powerful, and you very much earned my respect in that regard. Because you've always done that. And we have reaped the benefits and your infinitely better at that than I. So yeah, I'll just say be because of the nature of this very question. I will just say sustainability. An aspect of that. If you view the world, I guess the way that I'd be the world means they're just a certain number of hours that you need to spend. What do you think the Alabama? Our is minimum. I'll save you not spending ten hours together a week at least. And I'm saying that was someone you live. There's a lot of. Yeah. Yeah. Between Saturday and Sunday almost always it's only five hours a day Saturday and Sunday, and you'd be hours, and I think that we send more than that. So. What's up haven't done that for two weeks? So we've we've go through patches there's no question, which is exactly why I was saying it made my radar right now that we really have to carve out time. At the end, the anger. Is that if this pulse cost is bringing you value, please please all one off of. I guess we have. The holidays. So number one, please do subscribe convey to move you. That's going to be a big thing for us is the rate of views. And then if it really does this specific episode bring value screen shot and post it on your story and tag been new and at Tobin new. Yeah. That'd be amazing. It's actually really cool. Yeah. Well, episode people listen to what they love. So and if you don't following at women of impact go over to that and follow and also at IT. Comex word there's crossover between this and commerce. I'm really going to be impressed. You're my kind of people. All right, guys. Thank you so much for joining us until next time. My friends be legendary take care piece out. Everybody. Thank you so much for listening. And if this content is delivering value to you police, go to itunes, Stitcher rate and review us that helps us build this community. 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The First Tragedy, I Didnt Sign Up for This  Episode 31.5

How'd It Happen Podcast

15:39 min | 1 year ago

The First Tragedy, I Didnt Sign Up for This Episode 31.5

"Welcome to episode thirty one point five of the how did happen podcast hosted by Mike Nella, Testa and this episode Mike shares a story about something and entrepreneur hopes that will never happen to an employee and that is an employee dying. As a result of performing the duties of his or her job. Mike shares his real life experience about this telling the vents of that tragic day as they unfolded how he felt beside the casket wishing Billy was still here and his struggle with unanswered questions. Hi, everyone and welcome back to the how that happened podcast. This episode is one of my what I'm calling my half episodes. It's in response to some feedback that I got from listeners who won wanted to find out a little bit more about me. And some of the experiences that I've had for whatever reason and to wanted to experiment with some shorter episodes. So I'm calling this my half episodes. It'll be shorter much shorter than the the neon or that normally do. But it tells the story of something that's happened in my life or in my career that might provide some value to to you as listener. And this what I'm going to talk about today is a story about Billy Spang. Billy was a driver for us way back when we. I started our company, and he regrettably was killed in a very serious truck accident, and I wrote the story about that accident and how I felt and how I ended up alternately dealing with its consequences. And so it's called the first tragedy. I didn't sign up for this. It's a late morning in March nineteen ninety six and I'm kneeling in front of the casket talking to Billy. On telling him that. I wanted him to still be here and how much I appreciate the chance. I had to meet and get to know him how he wished he was at home sitting on his couch in front of the TV with his wife eating pie that she'd made and baked earlier with ice cream something I knew they love doing together. After the day's work was done. I told him that. I was sorry that I felt responsible. And then I ran out of things to say. At nine thirty seven in the morning four days before the number displaying on my pager was on familiar. It began with a three one to which I recognized as being Chicago number. I called the number back expecting a customer to answer as most had my pager number instead, a captain with Chicago fire department answered we've got a problem here. He informed me one of your trucks laying on its side on the Eisenhower eastbound between Costner Polaski, what's in this thing. I went into search mode my mind going through my schedule to figure out who it was you still there. He barked breaking the short silence. The truck numbers three. Oh one. What's in? This thing. Is it hazardous three a one that's Billy's truck where was Billie coming from. Oh, God it Morgan in ringwood. He was headed. L R S on Stony island. No, sir. I stammered it is latex wash water. It's not hazardous is the driver. Okay. Okay. Good. It doesn't leak anything yet. They took your driver to the hospital already. I don't know. It's condition. I need you to get a truck here to get this thing pumped off. So we can stand it up hook it and get it the hell off the highway. How long will that take? I need a little time. Can I get that figured out and call you back SAP, sir? Temp four call me back ASAP, then he hung up. I met Billy. When I went to work with a company called a and j cartage it was nineteen ninety two. I started there after I'd been fired from my previous job. Billy was the sort of the lead man for a sludge hauling contract that a and j had with a big wastewater treatment plant in the walkie known as MS d he was a tiny man to look at short and very very thin. The kind of guy who was always tugging at his pants to keep them up. Even though his belt was ratcheted as tightly as it could be he had a full head of hair. But it was thin wispy like mine when he wasn't wearing a hat. He was frequently trying to put it back in place with his hand. Like my neighbor Phil do before his chemotherapy treatments began. Billy smile was engaging and infectious his eyes were bright in conjunction with his smile. They convey kindness with a hint of Nadi nece. If Billy wasn't wearing his dentures he was missing enough teeth that you couldn't help. But notice in a way, you wouldn't expect that attitudes charm. He wasn't a polish guy, but Billy was genuine comfortable with who. He was. Some guys think that they can bully small guy like Billy. But he wasn't afraid to yell at or stand up to anyone. He was also willing to work hard go wherever he was needed. And do whatever he was asked. Unlike some of the others AJ Billy didn't need to have worked pointed out or explain to him. He knew it when he saw it. And he knew what to do with it as well. He impressed me. It took me ten minutes to make the schedule changes to free up, Scott and Butch. So that they could get to the scene pump off Dili's tanker. I let the captain know that we'd have trucks on the scene in forty five minutes to an hour have them. Call me when they get here. I'll get him next to the truck. I drove to the scene filled with anxiety and fear. Imagining the unpleasantness of what had unfolded. What was waiting for me wood? Billy be okay. Would we be in trouble would our insurance work? Could I handle it would I cry? When I ride push and Scott had already started emptying Billy's tanker, which is straddling the left shoulder and far left lane of the road. It was laying on his driver's side. Wheels facing south like it was taking a nap. The traffic was sneaking by on the right shoulder. People were angry and cursing at us. The highway was visibly scraped more than a hundred feet directly west of the scene mapping the trail of the tanker slide to its current resting place. A record truck was in the center lane. It was well named for the work. It was doing at the moment. Another was positioned to the rear to yellow nylon straps had been wrapped around the tankers barrel and attached to one of the wreckers winches. The other was attached to it as well and serve as resistance against the first ones poll. When the tanker was empty, the record drivers work their rigs together, gently lifting and rotating, the tanker at the same time to get it upright before lowering down gently on its tires and landing gear from the south on the passenger side, the tanker look normal like nothing had happened from the north. It looked like someone had practiced on it with a demolition ball. One of the records. Repositioned grad and lifted the tag from its front and dragged it away to impound yard. Despite how peaceful the tanker looked resting on its side. The scraped highway wasn't the only evidence of the accidents violence in most truck rollovers, the tractor trailer go over together and stay together. They look pretty much like they do in their driving down the road only. They're not. This wasn't like most Billy's. Tractor was nowhere to be found on the road. When Billy called me about a driving job with advertise in the paper. I was surprised to hear from him. We'd only known each other briefly unite only made it for a month at AJ before quitting that job. And we hadn't talked in over a year. He hadn't driven for some time. Either. Having been promoted to a supervisory role at his job. He told me he was unhappy that he wanted to change and that he thought that driving would be the right change for him. He wasn't a perfect fit. But who is but we needed a driver, and it was tough to resist his charm and ability. The eastbound and westbound lanes of the Eisenhower expressway are separated by tracks and stations for the Metra rail blue line service that connects the airport with downtown and the western city neighborhoods large concrete barriers topped with chain link fence like you'd see at a racetrack serve as a barrier between the traffic and the trains. Just east of where the tanker had been a large portion of the fencing was missing or mangled that was where Billy's tractor climbed the barrier and left the road. You could see it. Hundreds of feet ahead. It come to rest on its left side up against a small storage shed. It wasn't on the tracks. So the trains were running as usual its roof was collapsed and its windows smashed its wheels were no longer attached to the frame. But instead we're up against the concrete wall a short distance away as if a giant plucked it from the highway then crushed and ripped it apart before tossing it aside like trash the passenger door was missing. That's where the medical team got him out. When I was done with all the forms reports and interviews the police and fire personnel required. And it my insurance company with the news. I was at Cook County hospital where Billy had been taken by the ambulance. He was in the ICU. And they when let me see him the nurse told me that he was pretty banged up in that. They were doing everything they could. Having seen where he'd come. From wasn't telling me anything. I hadn't expected Billy's wife came to the hospital with her sister. And we comforted each other the best we could for me meeting them for the first time under these circumstances. Billy died. The next morning. They told us that he died peacefully. As it was clear that there had been no peace in what he went through to get. There seemed hard to believe. We never found out. Exactly how Billy's accident happened beyond knowing that the tractor broke free from the trailer. And then it flipped over a number of times before ending up. Where did we never would? The DOT inspected what remained of the truck and trailer and determined that it had been mechanically sound Billy's logbook was up today as well. We wanted to believe that someone had cut him off or stop suddenly or unnecessarily in front of him causing him to take drastic innovative action like a fighter pilot with a missile on his tail and losing control of his Reagan the process there was speculation about that. But no direct evidence or witnesses to confirm it. The police told me later. Heels are good have been distracted by one hundred different things falling asleep. Or who knows what else? After I finished talking to Billy. I moved onto the receiving line, whereas wife and teenage daughter and other close relatives that I had met before were standing thanking those who came to Billy service. What do you say? I was twenty seven and hadn't had a close family member. Die let alone. Someone who'd worked with me. Or for me? I was lost. This wasn't part of anyone's plan. I've been told to people like finality and things I know I do. There was no finality to Billy's death to exactly what happened unless you created something on your own. My -ality was that. I'd put him in a situation that caused the crash and die. It would be natural and understandable for his family to hold me responsible to I've thought. I might a little or maybe more than a little if I were them. I hadn't signed up for this. No one had. But I was in charge. This happened on my watch. It was the first tragedy. The end. Yes, I'm happy to report that. Billy's family never seem to hold me responsible for what happened to him. Even though they could have. We did our best to make. Amends to his family to do what we could for his wife and for his teenage daughter, but I I know that was never enough. I learned a lot going through that nothing that I wanted to learn. But when you put into that kind of situation, there are all kinds of things coming at you beyond the tragedy Billy's life and. Hopefully, I was able to take some of what happened and and become better and have the company become better as a result. There are always lessons, and in every great thing that happens in there, always lessons in every bad thing that happens. So that's my that's my half episode for today. I wish I could tell you that. This was the only tragedy that we that that that we've ever I've ever had to experience. But but it's not maybe we'll hear more about those later or maybe we'll you're about some of the good stuff. That's that's happened. Because there's plenty of that as well. Thanks for listening today. And let's see next time. Thanks for listening to this episode of the how that happened podcast where we believe that success doesn't happen unless you make it happen. You can subscribe to the podcast on. Apple podcast, Google, podcast, Stitcher, or wherever you like to listen. And while you're there, please rate it and leave a comment as well. I'd love to hear your thoughts about the show ideas for future guests or whatever you'd like to share. And of course, you can always find me and Mike now test dot com. See you next time. Thanks again. For listening to the how that happened podcast.

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Democratic National Convention

Best of The Steve Harvey Morning Show

05:39 min | 2 months ago

Democratic National Convention

"Sometimes food is more than just food. It's part of our community. So this year discover is giving five million dollars to support black owned restaurants to places like back in the day bakery post office pies, and hundreds more learn how you can show your support at discover dot. com. What if you could learn from one hundred of the world's most inspiring women now, you can introducing Senecas one hundred women to hear a new podcast brought to you by Seneca women and iheartradio in partnership. With PNG, I'm Kim as early in celebration of the hundredth anniversary of American women getting the vote where bringing you the voices of one hundred groundbreaking and history-making women listen to Seneca's one hundred women to here on iheartradio apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Yesterday was the first day of the Democratic National Convention. In Milwaukee, the speakers include it garnered Andrew Cuomo Mary Sanders urged voters to remove the most dangerous president and are forever First Lady Michelle Obama said that trump is wrong for the country and the Joe Biden is about truth and trusting science take a listen I know, Joe, he is a profoundly decent man guided by faith. He was a terrific vice president. He knows what it takes to rescue an economy beat back a pandemic and lead our country and he listens. He will tell the truth and trust science. He will make smart plans and manage a good team. And he will govern as someone who's lived a life that the rest of us can recognize. Okay. I'm with you forever first lady. What she? Did Oh yeah. Eh Phone. You remember at the two thousand sixteen DNC Michelle Obama's favors fame famous line from there was when they go we go hi and she's been quoted on Matt so much You ready to get you. GotTa go. Only. As. Low. Yes tonight, go get to rebound. but you'll ankles no. Such a dynamic lineup of speakers for tonight bank lewd former President Bill Clinton. Democratic leaders, Stacey Abrams and keynote speaker Dr. Jill Biden. Who of course is the wife of Joe. Biden who just want to keep saying We have to vote listen to me if we vote, we can change. Trump one Wisconsin by twenty, three, thousand votes in Milwaukee Ninety three thousand blacks didn't vote trump won Florida by one hundred thirteen thousand volts in Miami. Three hundred seventy, nine, thousand blacks getting vote trump won Michigan by eleven thousand. In. Detroit two, hundred, seventy seven thousand blacks didn't vote trump won Pennsylvania by four thousand votes in Philly. Two hundred thirty eight thousand blacks didn't vote trump on. Georgia by two hundred eleven, thousand votes it at length. Five hundred ninety thousand blacks didn't vote. This let. African American Not. Go changed the world on November. Let's go change the world because we have that power stop saying your vote don't count because we all vote we changed the world You have a chance to do this man you let me explain something. You can't handle four more years. It has man's policy I'm telling you now have you are billionaire rich. It don't matter who in office you got enough where you can deal with what come your way. But when you us a subject to Dili with the policies that come out of the White House, what you'll councilman do what you'll send it as do. What what taxpayers doing, your Zip Code. It affects you man it is more important than you for you to vote than everybody else. Some. Telling you what these rich boys do man. They sit up and date once they find out who will be in office they just situate themselves see how they're gonNA make any money. You on the other hand we have to vote it is my obligation do Hugo's obligation Rickey Smiley's obligation those of us that are all in any members of the Panhellenic Council to get everybody we know to the polls to vote everybody has got good says, take your members get them registered go to four one, go to vote for one one dot org vote four, one, one dot org and get yourself situated. So we can change the world in November. Tide is dude man. Yeah Mailboxes locking up. Mailbox. Not Illegal. Wow It upright coming up next the nephew is here with today's prank phone call right after this. You're listening to. Morning Show.

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Dr. Peter Michalos 4-19-20

CATS Roundtable

05:49 min | 6 months ago

Dr. Peter Michalos 4-19-20

"Good Morning America. This is the catch round table on which we are. We going with Medical discoveries with us this morning is one of the brightest guys. I know Dr Peter Hellos Good Morning Peter. How are you to Sunday morning? Good Morning John. Good Morning Roundtable. All you have you ever some big US on possible solutions. Make the American people Feel good about well. The good news is that scientists are working very very hard to develop new treatments and many of the treatments. are showing promise including Rendez severe from Dili. Add some studies that shows that it helps people who had the virus prove their clinical condition. What was interesting. Though is in Montana. There was a study. An Animal Study. That was done recently published. That showed even though the monkeys that were tested on a study improved. They still shedding virus even though they're clinically better. So That's interesting for humans to know that even if they do get treatment and they are improving clinically meaning their fever. Their oxygenation is getting better. They're coughing getting better. There's still contagious. What's different about this? Virus is the long incubation period. That we have a symptomatic people around for fourteen days but they continue to shed the virus the other positive thing despite you the media talking negative and I I'm aware of at least seven people who when when when they had early symptoms and they took the hydroxy chloroquine which has been around since the nineteen fifties and people take it every time they go on a trip to Africa Safari for malaria. Those people overall did better From the people that I have been directly aware of none of them ended up on ventilators so I think the same thing with the lobby medicines. It's getting intervention early on when it's already advanced and it's a long it's a different story again to review the audience. It's not the virus that kills us. It's our immune system attacking the lungs with what's called a cytokine storm with something called Interleukin six and your lungs basically fill with fluid and it's like drowning. That's why people need the ventilators that keeps them alive and pushing the maximum amount of oxygen to keep a people going. The testing is another major issue. And that's what's going to help get America really back and working 'cause the actual death rate than they quoted not accurate because we're not testing enough people so if you're only testing a million people but three million habits and your mass is off on what the actual death rate is so. I think there are a lot more people who haven't worldwide we'd have two and a half million people documented and six hundred ninety two thousand. Us But we haven't had extensive testing. Why because you need swabs you need reagents. You Need Test. That actually work. There's a lot of fake tests that are being sent out on the Internet we saw the UK they both twenty million tests and they turned out not to be a sensitive and what we really need is immediately a test. Things are someone responsible in the US. Bring everyone together. Who is working on these tests? For example there's a companies. I'm only search out in California. That is a highly sensitive test and they have a reagents and then there's somebody else who might have the swamp and the Three D. Printing company that can make a bunch of swamp so they all need to cooperate and get together. It's like everyone's trying to build a separate Mousetrap where everyone should call lobby that led to build the best mousetrap two kinds of tests. We need to know who has it. And that's where the swab in the nose and or in the maze for Joel Area. Just to tell you immediately who has it? Then there's the other type of test which tells you whether you have the antibodies against it and you've been exposed to it so those are the two tests that are out there but they're not widely enough available throughout the country. I think that needs to be the focus for example if you have a company with a hundred employees and you can get them all tested whether they have or whether they've had it and get those two rapid tests done quickly than let's say twenty employees test positive that they have it and the other eighty tests that they've been exposed to. Ah they're fine. Then we can get those people back into the work now. Let me understand this if we plan to open our office up And we got all the employees are home. Decide wanted to come back in again. Well I your pets temperature. Then that they need a real test to see if they have the virus. 'cause a Lotta people are taking tylenol taking non steroidal and at masks that so that that helps you? People aren't taking but you can mask the fever. Temperatures not sensitive enough what you really need to do if you want to get. People back into the workforce do what they did in South Korea. What they're doing in the Czech Republic you test people if they have the virus going to their quarantine for their fourteen days and get treatment if necessary and then you have the kinds that shows they have an antibody and those people can probably safely go back into your company and back into the workforce and without Bassett. That's been our biggest problem. We haven't reached our limit. Thank you for calling into Sunday morning. We go limit We'll probably talk to you again next week. Thank you and God bless America doctors and nurses tax you. This is Jess Roundtable wreck that.

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711: How to Be Alone

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711: How to Be Alone

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When we was still only a few weeks into lockdown in New York a friend of mine asked me what things were like on planet him. It was a joke, but it was one of those accurate jokes, because living alone right now is probably not that dissimilar to being a faraway solitary planet. New York was one of the first places to look down and in a way. I'm still living like it's march. A work from home I leave groceries. I, attend almost no social functions. and. It's not that I didn't know how to be alone. Being alone, even in a crowd is not new to me. Move Continents when I was very young, living between the UK and Nigeria. I went off to boarding school when I was ten years old I left home for university when I was nineteen, and I never read a move back home again. I've lived in London. legos Berlin and Now New York. I chose to live in those lost two places to move far away from family home. But there's something different about the aloneness of right now. Covid nineteen has taken away that element of choice. Like a nine year old, being sent up to her room as punishment versus sitting in her room, quietly reading anyway. The activities are the same with the issue is control. So many of us have been dealing with this and forced aloneness. A lot more says the pandemic began. Sometimes I feel like I'm floating through space. SORTA DWARF Planets in a galaxy that seems to be populated by planets with people attached. Children a partner other family members. Maybe even housemates or pet. I have none of those things at the moment. My family, my parents, my siblings, their partners the ruling. London about three and a half thousand miles on a full ocean away. And basically a caricature of the elder millennial. It's just me an ever growing collection of house, plants and candles. And as I kept thinking about space, and about distance I realized. Oh, I'm not a planet. I'm an astronaut. It feels like no one is psychically if not physically further away from their loved ones that an astronaut in orbit. So. I found an astronaut just to compare notes with. Leroy Chow. He's retired now from NASA, but altogether he spent more than seven and a half months in space. Can I can ask a child's question now you're. Can you be bored in space? Like, is it? Is it different as Boden? You know I think you you put it this way. We do have a lot to do. Even of a lot of the work is tedious work still work. That has to be done. It has to be done per the schedule. If, we didn't have that it would be a lot more difficulties. Even though you've got this spectacular view of the Earth, and you're taking photographs of all these great places after a while. You didn't have enough to do it'd be. It'd be pretty tough, you know. So the answer is yes I think he was saying yes, you can absolutely get booed and space even though they keep them quite busy. Leroy told me something I. Hadn't known at the end of every day. All the activities on the International Space Station had to be locked and every single day based on that log. The plan changed. For Ethan Lodge aboard a six month space mission every minute of your your mission has been planned out and taking into account all the requirements constraints priorities things like that, and then you get up there and you start the first day with day one and. You know at the end of your day. You've got a logged on the computer. The things that you finished things that you gotta head on things you may be behind and while you sleep the entire planning team on the ground in the mission control. Center is replanning. The entire mission based on happened that day, and then ripple it all the way through to the end, and then they send up a new flight plan and the next morning. When you get up, you got a new flight plan on your computer because of this this replanning team. That has to do this every night. I love that it fell to a Holkar of people an entirely different location to plan minute by minute. Everything that a person should be doing with that was. Eat Breakfast and clean up between six fifteen and oh six sixty five hours a fifteen minute conference with mission control offer experiments sleep eight hours. Someone to check in, make sure you're on task. Unfortunately Unlikely Roy I have no mission control. The usual older of my day has been disrupted since March with no commute. My desk is now only a few feet away from my bed. My sleep schedule is messed up. A friend of Said we should stop cooling it working from home, but rather living at work. Everything feels like it's drifting and not just in my apartment. It'd be nice if someone seemed to have a bit of a plan glibly speaking. Leroy in I I spoke. It was April and at that point. I've been alone indoors for about six weeks. I. Remember it as a slightly feral time. A drug that I wish I travel boyfriend before the pandemic hit, some kind of human space junk to occasionally bump into my apartment. But then Leroy told me about the perils of cohabiting in space I talked to some of the cosmonauts who had been around for a long time, and he said you know some crews came back, and they said you know if I had a weapon. If I had had a gun I would have killed my crewmate. That's how bad it can get. I have no tension with my house plants. My candles burn, but not any malice. I actually really liked living alone. Not that I want to fight with anyone. I just wish I had the option sometimes. Break laws in case of boredom. Leroy longest stint in space came when he lived on the International Space, station with only one other person Sesana Charipov a Kogas Donnie cosmonaut for one hundred ninety two days. Context. My personal expedition is currently around one hundred and thirty days. Pot of the terror of being alone right now that this pandemic feels endless. I also Roy when things began to feel really impossible for him. Every time and space when the itch to be home became unbearable. I would say right around the four point. Three four months seems to be kind of the right amount of time. If you ask most astronauts in, that's when you're saying well, this is great. This is this is interesting. It's. itself fulfilling. I sure wouldn't mind going home either. In when you start getting eager to home is actually after the next crew arrives, you have generally about a week or week and a half together before you go home, and so the next crew arrives, and you start getting really excited about going home, and that's when the time seems to slow to a crawl. Last night last week or so? That makes sense to me. Even in the Majesty of space full months is still four months full months of being alone of being so far away. It's hard. And four months is where we're at in this new reality. Moretti's a comeback to us, but we don't know when we'll be allowed to go home. There's still no cure, no vaccine and a steady increase in new cases. So what do we do? Today. We're going to hear from people who've had time to think about their aloneness or they loneliness. Even they're in a crowd. How to be an astronaut or a solitary planet when there's a whole galaxy just around the corner. How to be a look. That's the feeling of today's program. WBZ Chicago, it's this American. Life I'm the one me stay with me. Act One. The unbearable pots. When isolation and social distancing was still new I read a letter, and it felt like pages from a diary. I hadn't even known I was writing. It was published in the Salon Review back in April. The writer Daniel Evans alone in Baltimore seems to synthesize the feeling of aloneness and loss unfair that I hadn't yet been able to even articulate. Has Danielle reading a version of that letter. who was everyone's last real human touch? A friend asked at ASEAN, Birthday Party, in late March. I, said a name, but once everyone hung up I thought again, not sure if I remembered correctly. I walked myself through that last real day of human contact the first week of March on the last day of a WP an annual writers conference. I had planned to fly to San Antonio Day and a half early to treat a friend who had a difficult year to a pre-conference Spa Day. But in the days leading up to the conference, fear of the virus spread. Thousands of people including my friend canceled their travel plans. I canceled the spot at of prudence who my flight was departing is scheduled and I wouldn't get reimbursed if I didn't get on it. I decided to travel anxiously but I. AM anxious as General Condition. One way to live in the world when you have anxiety is to get used to pushing it aside when it gets in the way of being alive. This is my best explanation for why I trusted the city and the airlines and the institutions who said it was still safe to travel and ignored the warnings of friends who said what was coming. I thought quarantine was still in it and weeks away of so. And I thought if loneliness was coming soon, I did not want to be alone any longer than necessary. The conference was part hectic worked trip heart carnival. On its final day tired after two days packed with events and panels, and slept in and stayed in bed for hours after I woke. I finally made it as far as the hotel lobby. Intending to grab lunch. Put instead spotted a friend at the bar. We spent a few hours day drinking, having a meandering conversation about our novels and major life decisions. They feel so settled. A said leaving it. The serendipity of the afternoon blood into the evening. I spent the day moving from crowded space too crowded space running into friends. Plans for later in the night or the month or the year. Late in the evening. A group of headed to the conferences dance party, but when we all went upstairs, the dance floor was hilariously heartbreakingly empty. It already felt like a metaphor. Downstairs people begin to peel off. We were tired. Flights were early. It was starting to be unavoidably clear that we were in the before of something terrible and on the wrong side of caution. I remember who was there? I remember that some people were already conscientiously, not hugging or touching that some people were there who I didn't know well enough to hug. Who was the last person? Helene to me to say goodbye. Who was the last person besides me to realize the Party was over? Two days after I returned to Baltimore the campus where I teach was closed immediately and indefinitely. I prepared myself for the city to shut down for about a month. I walked a block to buy extra cat food, and then a more to stock up on canned and dried goods, and for reasons unclear to me essential oils at my tiny and mysterious neighborhood health food store. Reinstated the service that made me a box of fresh vegetables weekly. A month passed. The virus hadn't peaked yet. April and May passed. I kept waiting for a clear sign that the worst was over, but instead felt like we were all trapped in the opening half of a horror movie. By the time the city stay at home order lifted in early. June little seemed to have changed to make me feel better about being in crowds or writing the city bus or sharing indoor space with people. It's delight now and most weeks I only go as far as my apartment building's front entry way to collect mail and occasional groceries and bring them inside to disinfect. In more exciting weeks they ventured down the fire escape to take out the recycling and walk around the block to come back in through my front door. Though for three weeks are recycling was on hold because of an outbreak of the bureau of solid waste and I stopped making even that small trip. In over three months I have seen six delivery people to neighbors in the hallway. One friend making masked front door grocery drop off one repairman, one stranger needed to toward the property and my landlord. As time passes. There are fewer unbearable days, but they are worse when they come. I had a running joke for years about how none of my survival skills would be useful in an apocalypse. But it turns out being anxious and alone in my apartment, weighing which things I love worth the possibility that they might hurt me is the one scenario I was somewhat prepared for. At. The start of the year had been looking forward to spending time alone. I was on teaching. We for the spring semester and I thought it would be a luxury to be mostly at home for a while. I love my apartment. I bought myself smart bike and taught myself to like it anticipating a seasoning when I would become a creature of odd habits hours, and wouldn't WanNa Walk to the gym after Dark, earned this spring rain. I was preparing to hibernate and not miss much. Now I missed so many things. A take vitamin D. Pills and sometimes hover over the fire escape edge, standing beside the trash can to try to get some sunlight and imagined the luxury of having a backyard. And Miss my father, who was the forty minute train ride away. The train feels out of the question and I can't ask my father working fulltime from home and recovering from minor surgery to drive an hour each way just to visit. I never learned to drive something. I sometimes considered a badge of city-dwelling honor. Earlier in the year I told a relative. I didn't need to learn to drive in Baltimore when I live a short walk from Penn Station, and at least a dozen city buses stop within a block of my apartment. If I had a car in a license. I think now I could drive to wave at my father from a safe distance. When the casual relationship had drifted into early in the year just as casually evaporated. I told a friend I can. We weren't the same about it, so it's for the best. Now the scolding voice in my head tells me that a person who believed in chasing after things who didn't think it was as clear as. They want to be around you. They don't and if he didn't know which there your answer. Well that person might not be alone in her apartment for months. When I turned thirty five a few years ago, I promised myself I. Let go of the idea that someday is going to become a different kind of adult. I let myself except that there would be no house or husband or baby or sudden mature renunciation of glitter. It was only the baby I. Really Grieved, but I let myself have that grief and move on. A gave myself permission to live a life that wasn't waiting for my realize to start to free all of my intimate relationships from the emotional tyranny of a ticking biological clock. To claim as a choice, but would otherwise feel like it happened to me. I thought it worked. But the loneliness of isolation somedays mocks. All of that makes all of my possible Joyce feel ephemeral. I ask, we should the things. I promised myself I. could still have casual flings travel community in the form of classrooms and bookstores and coffee shops and bars will survive this or exist in recognizable form when we emerge. It is possible to feel stuck with your choices even without wishing he'd made any differently. When I hear that this could go on for a year I think it has lack of human touch human contact that will break me. And then I think it might actually be grief. Without the constant busy buzz of my normal life, it's harder not to dwell on what is absent. The lives I might have had the life. I would have if my mother was still alive. I keep waiting for the first feeling I have. That is wholly untouched by grief. That is at least its own fresh grief not marked by her death three years ago. But it hasn't come yet. When I heard that early descriptions of the virus of what it does to people's breathing. I thought of my mother at the beginning of her illness when she went to the Er with undiagnosed stage, four cancer, a leader and a half of fluid in her lungs, and the doctor was planning to send her home with a laxative, and so my mother's friend, a cardiologist at the same hospital insisted they give a cat scan. I thought of my mother at the end when everything had given her to keep the paint at bay to keep her unnaturally calm while her bodies, every instinct told her to panic also meant she couldn't hold her head up to cough or vomit. How many times she'd said she didn't WanNa die hooked up to tubes so when they first asked intimate her, her partner said No. When I was alone with her later that day, she began to choke suddenly awake and terrified and held her hand on pushed the call, button and new. We didn't have that much time, so I ran into the hallway, screaming for help, and the nurse came running. I stood in that hallway terrified. My mother was going to die while I was in fact at the hospital by her bedside, waiting for my mother to die. Just, not like that. How I didn't know for certain until after they'd put the tubing that heard her voice for the last time. The first month of quarantine, sometimes in the middle of the day I would find myself sobbing an only realized later why which bit of news triggered which memory the descriptions of what the virus does to the body? How many of the early faces of the dead were black women? My mother's. Or the infuriating financial politics of our healthcare system. It was hard for me to untangle on a personal or national level, the difference between a health crisis and the financial crisis. When my mother's cat scan came back, indicating problem before he could comfort her I had to ask her for her insurance card and step out in the hallway to call in a payment because I knew if she got any further behind, she would be insured. I knew that because we'd fought the week before. When she told me she'd stop paying her insurance. She said the only thing wrong with me as high blood pressure, and the only reason for that is stress and the reason I'm stressed as money. Eyesight if there's something else wrong by the time you know, it will be too late. It was already too late. When the virus I hit, I thought what hell it would have been from a sick mother after years of Chemo and complications. To have to add a pandemic to her list of dangers. I have the unbearable thought that it was a good thing. She didn't have to live through this. As time passed, I thought more of my mother when she was well. My mother, who would have made it maybe two weeks before calling to tell me she was coming to get me if she was coming this day, but she wasn't letting me. Stay in my apartment alone for months. But it's my apartment. It would've said. And she would have scoffed at my boundaries and come anyway. What I've been feeling acutely is the particular absence of the only person in the world. Who would have refused to leave me alone even when I absolutely wanted to be? When I can step out of my personal agree for long enough I summoned my mother's tenacity in the face of the more collective grief. When data unraced began to come in, it was not a surprise, but it was devastating. And also terrifying. When I saw who was dying and I heard the narrative shift personal responsibility I lost all faith that we would take this seriously enough for long enough. A new my country I thought, and I was afraid that once it thought this was the black and Brown problem. It would not blinking sacrificing Gig, workers and shipping, plant, workers and service workers and food, workers and city employees to have back the world of money parties. It would kill them and replace them for as long as it needed to. Even once the color of the faces started to change. For months. I felt like my fear. That black life wasn't worth much in this country was another form of aloneness, which is why the shock of June's protests and the deaths that made them necessary like horror and hope at once. Like we could say what had clearly been true along even if we couldn't yet say for a certain that it would change. Still I'm terrified of getting sick. Because being sick alone means it may be too late when I realized how sick I am. I am terrified of having to go to the hospital alone because everything I. Know says there's no point in going to the hospital if I'm not well enough to credential myself. I do not have any particular health factors for this virus except that I find doctors stressful and my blood pressure spikes beginning of any doctor's visit. If. The doctor is willing to humor me and take it again. My blood pressure is almost always normal and the files as they're having Zaidi. If the doctor is not. The visit was upsetting. Then the file says my blood pressure is elevated mild hypertension. If I got sick, no one would say she is a professor who just achieved peleton milestone, and has a refrigerator, full milk and fresh vegetables in a book out soon, and she clark up the apartment's front doors every time she went to get the mail. Someone would say hypertension. Someone would say come where bitty someone would read the summary Statistics and say that one doesn't count. She was basically dead anyway. Because this is the game we are playing with language one where I and most of the people in my family cannot count as dying of this because we are already not alive. When I think this, it is not especially good from blood pressure. I add spite to my reasons to stay alive and well. I greet my anxiety like an old friend one who wants me to live a long life and forgive me when I doubt her. I alternate what she might peppy smart bike and the despair of twitter. I order new book local bookstores before I finished the last batch. Donate what I can wear. It can work my way through local tip jar Ben Mojo, looking for my bartenders Baristas. I'm a hairdresser. I talked to my father several times a week in recent years. He has taken to be keeping an account. He Park near his house and he is pleased that he can tend to his hives without violating social distancing guidelines. I am anxious to find a safe way to visit him I. Confess. I am indifferent to visiting the bees. I congratulate my students on their accomplishments. I read a friend's daughter books. Be Zoom and come away with a critical thesis on reforms needed and Pixie society. My most cautious friends in the city haven't socialized in person in months either. I. Regard With Action and suspicion. The invitations I do get for masks, socially distanced gatherings restrictions relax. I am a lot of people's good friend. And no one singular person, and so every time someone reaches out. I think yes I love to see you. And No, I cannot brisket if you're social circle is already wide enough that I'm included. I'm trying to imagine the first day we'll say yes. I? AM trying to imagine when I can hug someone again. And beyond that. To the first day I was hit touch for granted. To the next time I will go someplace and spend a day among friends again. And leave, not remembering which of the people I adore, said goodbye to last. Not Conscious at the significance. Not, conscious of the danger. Danielle Evans is the author of a short story collection called before you suffocate your own full self. ACT TO. A notion apart. There's a way that loneliness calls to loneliness. The more you know it, the more likely you are to see it in the world. Lonely people can see things that other non lonely people might have missed. Lily Sullivan has a story about that. It takes place in a vast non-human setting, literally no humans. His Lily. So seven years ago when I was just out in radio, I did a story about the scientific discovery because there was something about it that I wanted to understand. The Guy I noticed. This thing was named Joe George on an island off the coast of Washington state. was in the navy. And we looked for. Some reason that you know in the open ocean. And by looking, they're really listening. This is the eighty s by the way in the Navy had these devices called hydrophones that would listen to sounds in the ocean anything that might be a Soviet sub. Joe had been doing it for. Decades could basically identify any ocean. Sound bites wiggle on the chart. But one day. He's awesome thing he'd never seen before. A Marine biologist looked the signal said that it might be a whale. It seems like it was huge like a blue whale fin whale, judging by the characteristics of its call. But the song was singing was totally off. Because the whales we were looking at. or be allowed US Donna. Twenty hurts. And this one. He was at started on that fifty two for. Meaning the sound was over an octave higher than it should be. And they could never detect any other whales with him. These kinds of whales are really social animals. They often traveled together in groups called pods. Unusually when one wheel calls out. Other respond calling back and forth to each other from miles away. Without that they'd never be able to find each other and a huge space like the ocean. But this whale when he called out. No one will ever seem to respond. I'd always be looking for something. Also see if there was anything like that. And you know through the years. It was the only localization Mike that and I'll say the North Pacific Ocean. There was nobody else like it. Can actually play a recording of the call. They picked up back then. Huge. Wales like that like fin whales, blue whales their among the loudest creatures on Earth. Their songs to each other. Rumble across the ocean. They can hear each other from a thousand miles away. But those same songs there at frequencies too low for most humans to here. But. This whales call is high enough that most humans can actually hear it. Lots of speakers don't play sounds at such low frequencies, but see if you can hear him. And he couldn't hear that here. It is shifted up a bit to make it easier. For scientists they thought this is a useful. Usually, it was almost impossible to track an individual whale because you pick up on their entire parts. Now they could follow a single whales migration precisely. As attract the whale like this. Joe Realized where was in the wrong place. Roaming miles away from where other whales migrating. Calling out all the time, never seem to get a response. Where did this eventually made it out into the public? Writer for the New York. Times wrote a small story about it song of the sea, a cappella and unanswered. When people heard about this, they. Oh My god poor whale. People wondered. Maybe other whales couldn't hear him because of his songs high frequency. Or maybe he couldn't hear other whales. Or maybe he's a hybrid, maybe a cross between a Finn and blue, and because he sounds so strange are afraid of him, so they don't respond. When wheels keep silent? That's how whales hide. There was just something about the idea of a creature moving through life, constantly calling out to others and never getting a response. You seem fundamentally out of sync. In a way that God's people. I've felt this way to. At first heard about the whale five years before I talked to Joe. Back then I spent a lot of time alone. I actually had a job where he traveled twenty four seven for two years barely being friends or family or anyone I knew. I would email myself passages. I liked from books so I could read them over and over. Here's one of them. It's from a book by James Salter. He wrote. In solitude must penetrate. One must endure. The icy beginning is where it is worst. One was passed all that. One must go forward all the way. Through bitterness through righteous feelings. Advancing upon it like a holy city. Sensing the true joy. I still like that idea. Loneliness is you can get better at and that getting better at it would take you somewhere more true. I started to think of solitude as a project I wanted to master. Over time, more and more people heard about this whale. Remember seeing someone posted on facebook and within a day twenty thousand people wrote comments. There were the people who wanted to try to fix the whale. One person asked. Why can't we help it? Another wrote. Why can't it be tagged with something to rebroadcast the calls it a lower frequency? The answer. US can't. People wrote music inspired by him like the Sun. I talked to guy in Ireland. Who's going through a divorce? His wife saw the story online and emailed him a link from where she was sitting in the next room. And other guy I talked to. You made mix tapes of the whales song and would mail those tapes actual cassettes, two strangers. Who asked him for it? Someone Germany wrote a children's book. People imagined his life in the icy depths swimming one hundred years along. There we were. All of us walking around designer, own isolation's connecting to this whale rather than other people. Scientists called him fifty two hurts. The rest of US called him the loneliest creature on earth. talked to Joe he raised this issue that all those blogs kept overlooking and I had overlooked, too. We have no idea if this whales alone at all. Just because we can't hear other animals with him doesn't mean they're not there. Could be swimming with another group of whales or with a group of females whose vocalisations don't travel as far. There is of course one thing that could answer whether or not he's actually alone. We could go look at him. But actually all these years. No one has ever seen him. All we have is an idea of him. He's just the sound in the ocean. Even Joe hasn't seen him. He's only heard his calls. Joe Tomey back then it'd be next to impossible to find him physically. Right, now we have no idea looks like. It'd be like looking for Neilan Haystack out there. Why because? The. Ocean is big. And you're looking, you're looking for one wheel. You Know How big? The Ocean. It's not that big. Even Square Mile. It's hard to find stuff. Listening back to this interview now seven years after I recorded it I can hear myself fishing trying to see if there was any part of Joe that that about him the way I did. As this I guess. This story for you. Is it mostly pure science for you or do you think? Do you think of this as personal as well? To me I look at uh more science. Discovery of different whale. Who? Scientific. Scientific. I can hear myself being disappointed here. I keep trying. Do you feel like you know the whale? Well old. Noah. Bit But not fully. So have you ever been just mowing your lawn and all of a sudden? You know maybe after he saw the blogs. Did you ever have thought? Like Oh, maybe that is a little sadder. Did you ever have a moment where you did think that it was? The story was romantic in some way. No Oh okay no! Joe told me we have no idea if he's lonely. Wheels get lonely. World guessing here. And since all we can do is guests. Here's another possibility. Maybe he's hearing other whales and avoiding them. Maybe, he wants to be alone. Or maybe he doesn't mind. I hope that's true. Me I. Don't think about much anymore. I stop thinking about him after I got a dog. Lilly Sullivan is one of the producers of our show. She did her early story about the whale as part of the Trans Story Workshop. Coming up a kid in Texas in isolation with his MOM. He invents game. That's not exactly a game. That's like real life. That's in a minute from Chicago public radio when our program continues. Support for this American life comes from Sitka salmon shares. 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National annual average auto insurance savings by new customers surveyed in two thousand nineteen potential savings will vary. Discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations. It's this American Life I'm Ben my one name in IRA- glass. Program today how to be alone? Act Three the parent trap. So lots of people have been spending time isolated with just a few people in their family. This next story is about a more extreme version of that. It's about a mother and her son really had no choice about it. They were out of family detention center in Dilley Texas. You. Probably remember a couple years ago, parents and children were being separated at the border. They also sometimes end up at places like this this three of them in the country. It's a particular kind of lewdness. You're in a group, but at the same time being kept away from the rest of the world. A little while ago, this mom on her son will offer the way out, but there was a catch. One of our producers Nettie Raymond explains. When I asked the MOM who I'm calling to describe the detention center to me, she said Ken geologist secretly fly a drone or something so you can see it. Just to get things done kind of person. You could attach a wire to call to come in here and make recordings. She says yes. Ideas like this all the time. The daily family detention. Center is the biggest of its kind. It's a bunch of trailers like the temporary housing tied arranged in clusters surrounded by chain link fence. There's a cafeteria and a gym area with arts and crafts supplies. It's all moms and kids. When did it and her son? I got there. She talked constantly with the other MOMS about which guards were nice in which jerks about the many ways the food could be better. About all the people left behind. Her. Son, whom calling Alejandro, he's aid. He made up this game that he'd play all the time. What about the the West? The meal he would. Play or ten as if he was a judge, my goodness, he would come out with all the other kids, and he would sit down and he would say I'm the judge. It was immigration, court of course. He never actually been there, but he pieced all of this together from stuff he'd heard it and West and tell one of the other kids. He was officer and the other kid that he was the attorney, and he would ask the psychologist for lots of pieces of paper and for folders. I mean I participated. I would join in to prepare written papers so that we could have the kid sign. He was a pretty lenient judge. He give all the kids asylum most of the time I wonder. Sometimes what he would get mad. He tells them. I'm denying you asylum. That was the only time where they would be like that they would be laughing. And it made me feel like a nostalgic because of how my son was with his how he was doing mentally more says she thought this woman. which was not great, especially after current Oh virus got knowing. Alejandra wasn't allowed to roam around as much. He mostly had to stay inside the trailer with his mom. He'd pretend all the time that today was the day they were getting out. Like he was trying to. Will it into existence? Have faith he'd say it will happen. And then one morning a guard came and woke them up just me. I was I was sleepy because I tried to make up my son later in the day, so we wouldn't get up too early so I kept him sleeping until ten or eleven in the morning that way his day would be shorter with go by faster and I did things like that that day. My door and officer told me NAM told me. They need you in court nine forty five. Okay, I, told the officer, and I was happy, and I left the room. Happy because I said to myself today I'm getting out. She gets Alejandro and steps outside her trailer. She immediately sees that all of the other moms are also outside with their kids. She's like hey. I got called into court. And the row like me to. Everyone had been summoned. They go to this huge trailer that functions as a courthouse, and as soon as they walk in. They get sent to different courtrooms. There's like ten of them per room. No judge, no lawyers, just a couple of ice, officers, immigration and Customs Enforcement. Jets had down and put Alejandra on her lap. Some of the other moms had their kids with them to. An ice officer begin speaking to them. We need a signature from you guys. She says the officer told them in Spanish. So the kids can go with their sponsor, a relative or a responsible adult who could take care of them? In other words, her son could be released, but she would stay here alone in detention. Normally Jose Alad. Say Separate. We're not done in from the moment. You're saying that you're talking about the kids staying and without newly. Obviously, it's a separation. All anthem is style landowners Paris, Young. while. This is happening Alejandra sitting there. Just absorbing all. He doesn't say anything. The officer said they should sign because of the coronavirus. Their kids would be safer somewhere else not locked up in here. And Thespian ONUMA. So one of the MOMS got up and said excuse me, she said. How could you think that if this is dangerous for the kids? It's not dangerous for us the corona virus. There is covert at Dili. Some of the guards and some of the ice officers tested positive. The document. The is officer handed it at to sign. It was an English. She asked for one in Spanish they said No. She asked if she could take a copy and show her lawyer I. They said No. So, she started a quietly freak out. Then she notices another one of the MOMS I lady that had been there for about a year and always seem to know what to do. She gets up and goes to the bathroom. So did it is like I got to talk to her. He did take Selah. Handlers hand and tries to follow her, but a guard stops them. No one's allowed to go to the bathroom together social distancing. Dates like it's the boy. He has to use the bathroom. It works. Once. They're in the bathroom. She picks the stall next to the old timer. Who tells her don't sign? You don't know where the kids will actually end up. He this supposed to go back to the room at this point, but she doesn't. She improvises an escape. Alejandro start to leave the trailer and when the Guard Ass, where are you going? She says we signed were done. Then she and Alejandro run to another trailer or she can call a lawyer which she does. Her Wizards really distinct, so I was like this, she she was like yes, she was talking really fast, and she sounded really worried and. Confused and had a lot of questions. This is exchanged Lopez. She's a paralegal for dilly. It's a group that offers pro bono representation for families and detention. Normally there's always a team of them just sitting in a room at Dili. But since Kobe, they've had to work remotely. So they came up with a way to still be there, the made a hotline and took turns and calls coming from the detention center. That day with six Charles Day. Did it like surprise you in a way that she was the first caller where you kind of like. Of course you'd be the first to call. Literally I was like of course of course. That was entirely unsurprising. Out of everyone it would be here like she so bad ass, and she's so just like strong willed, and like she says it. She's like this is messed up. I think as soon as she said. Okay. They're asking us if we want our children to be sent to live with our sponsors. Like. They're gonNA separate families again. And I remember thinking up with her and like. cussing starving like what the fuck like what exchange starts texting messaging emailing, what's going on to the rest of our team? I think I hung up. The phone immediately got another call from. Yeah, maybe within like two or three minutes. It was another mom from Dili. Frantic Rosa coming into lorries from the other two detention centres all telling the same general story. Is was asking families to sign something, but the whole thing was really confusing. Some people were saying that they weren't even shown A. Some, were told sign this. It just proves we talk to you. But others say ice was threatening them telling them that they had to sign no choice that the officers asked if they would give their child up for adoption. In many cases, the officers asked all of this in front of the kids. Within twenty four hours, the lawyers from all three family detention centers got on giant zoom call with press to sound the alarm arguing it was illegal to break up. Families like this by asking parents to sign. Something couldn't even understand. An ice wouldn't give the lawyers a copy of the document. Is did put out a statement shortly after this saying the officers were just going over a routine form with detainees. When did hangs up with excel. She looks at her son. Who's been quiet this whole time? Eleanor lost all busy. His little eyes were filled with tears a worry. He thought that he was going to be separated from me and he told me. Don't sign because wherever you go I go. while. It was making the phone call. The guards had started looking for her. They put her name and photo up on the screens. That are all around the facility. As soon as she stepped out of the phone room, a guard recognizer made her go back to the trailer where all the other moms were with the ice officers. When she gets there. The officers looked pissed at everyone. Mother understand though not the admit and any other MOMS were saying no one Sino when signs signaling for everybody to not sign and I'm GonNa. Be Honest. I was telling the others that were there to not sign so to just to be clear. Did you sign law your? As a parent, you're supposed to be the one in charge. It's an unspoken pact between you and your kid. You're the one who decides things. But in detention, so much was out of control. This was a rare moment where she got to. At least say no. Mythical cody lying in Memento, the I felt like I had an authority at that moment when I was saying that to them, but from then on I felt you know how I felt I felt like I was trembling like this trembling took over my body excited about. Why? This this fear. I I felt like I was defying an authorities and I never thought that I would do something like that. You know they're the Department of ice and you can't say no to them. If. They decide to kick you out of the country I mean. We're in their hands. Handled Day. I reached out to ice multiple times about this, but they haven't responded, but the lawyer said talk to have a theory about why. The ice officers were doing this though. The government isn't supposed to detain kids longer than twenty days, but some families have been in detention for months. There's this federal judge Judge Dali who has been basically yelling at ice about this for a while. She keeps getting more and more noise. And a court deadline was coming up. So? The lawyers think was trying to cover their ass, asked parents of they were willing to separate from their kids. And when they said no well, they could tell the judge. It's the families fault. They won't release the kids, so we have to keep everyone in detention, but once a question like. Do you want your kids to be separated from? You is said you can't really on here it. Becomes part of your world. For days after this happened Alejandro and his couldn't stop talking about it. They kept asking each other's MOMS of they had signed. Alejandro as you did to. She kept saying no, you know I. didn't you were there? They Lien more. He was just scared. Look, he would sleep with me this kid. He couldn't even go to the play room to play because he was scared. The ice was gonNA grab him and take him, and sometimes I tell him son go grab a go grab some milk. And he said no mom. The officers are there and they could take me. And he would sometimes even screaming his sleep, and so I asked him what's wrong and he said mom I'm scared. Don't sleep. He told me because that's GONNA. Take Me. A little more minutes you're alive. For what it's worth as far as I can tell one percent of the option of letting their kid out or being stuck together in detention. Every single family chose to stay. All the lawyers I talked to and the represent almost every single family in these facilities. They told me they didn't know of anyone who agreed to separate. Better to be alone together. At least. This was a loneliness they knew. Nadia Raymond is of the produces over show. Alexander and his mom did finally get released seven weeks ago, but it had nothing to do with the judge's order. Alejandro had to his appendix out, and they couldn't care for him at the facility now. The judge has extended. The deadline for is to figure out what to do with kids who have been detained longer than twenty days. Is has until the end of the month. We've arrived at act. Full Applied Bob Studies. Can we take a moment to review some of the negative connotations. The word isolation brings up think of the penalty box all solitary confinement. But, what of that isolation is a choice you make? The does that aloneness feel like something very different? To someone with an idea of the answer to that. Question Martha Sandy Allen. The story begins in two thousand seventeen. Sandy was living in Brooklyn with an increasing feeling that they wanted to live closer to nature. It wasn't that they'd fall it out of love with cities. This was less about running away. Then it was about actively running towards something something, green and lush, and on top of that Sandy was beginning to come out as non binary I think I was just starting to play with such things as dressing a little more androgynous and leaving the house and or going to a barber shop for? For men and getting a haircut there and trying to kind of like violate that taboo and not feel too weird. If all these men were staring at me as I got a haircut and those month change, they'd begun to notice. How very apparent seem to make? The edge charged I had shifted from appearing like a certain thing in public, which was like a white woman to appearing like this other thing. which was this white? I don't know like A. Are you a dude or what? And I was I think all of the time becoming more and more aware of everybody who saw me, and what did I look like to them? And how much of a threat was a random woman in a woman's room? GonNa beat a me. Was I going to get weird looks. Was I going to get yelled at? Was I going to get you know hostile comments muttered at me and like I most sensitive flower I'm very like. I really I I don't know I'm very sensitive to people's feelings and emotions, and so I think there was a sense of it would probably be wiser for me to cut down on the volume of interactions that I have with strangers. But Sunday how did they think it's an example of how to handle the situation their uncle bulb? At some point also decided that the volume of interactions in his life was way too big, and he took decisive radical action. He moved a few hours away from where he had grown up in the bay area to some with father up. A place mostly free about the humans. Zandi hit nude boy buzzer sort of weighed. Lived a mostly solitary existence. Sometimes they'd see him at Christmas or at their grandfather's vacation home in northern Minnesota. Bob Lexa have long. Lines sometimes he'd lead long rambling messages in San these families answering machine playing his music. Oh, comedy skits! GROWING UP! Sunday, didn't see bulb as a kindred spirits in a family that didn't talk directly about things. Bob Was an incomplete picture and example of failure. As a teenager Bob had been given the psychiatric diagnosis of schizophrenia and was repeatedly hospitalized in prescribed anti psychotic medication, sometimes against his will. In family law, he was kind of this trouble guy in quote kicked out of High School and then bounced between psych hospitals in France couches. Sandy I'm Bob won't close. And then one day in two, thousand, nine, just as sandy started Grad School in Iowa. They go to package in the mail. Bob had written his autobiography and sent it to them. I initially got this text in the mail from my hermit uncle that was like typed in all caps on a typewriter in like sixty pages, and it had like swear words and slurs, and it was a mess and it. I was just like what is this I don't want this you know, and I at the time I would have thought okay. This guy my like as I would have called him way back. My crazy uncle Bob. Bob, my crazy uncle, bob and me we are as far apart as two people can be. I would have thought in my heart here I am I'm like I. Am a scholastic achiever and here's Uncle Bob. Who lives in the desert and I've been to his house once, and it was full of cigarette, smoke and bibles, and a TV that he hadn't turned off in decades, and I kinda got out of there and was like all right. I don't really need to know that guy. But then Sandy Goto reading the manuscript. And they didn't just read it. They dove into. It tries to figure out who balls even started writing a book about him. And they discovered something. Bob Had solved for himself a problem that his mental health professionals and the world in general hasn't been able to. Bob had managed to figure out the best version of his life. Living alone far away from the crusher people. And Sunday found that Bob was mostly content. and. I saw that as a model for like okay, you've realized your incompatible with society at large. Perhaps what you do I was like well. I kind of have a a guidebook. So they took Bob's example and moved. In twenty, seventeen sandy ended boyfriend now, husband, move up state to the catskills. They want under any romantic illusions about country living. Like if I go to a grocery store or go to the post office, an old man would stare at me the whole time I. Grocery Shop Door like little kids would debate. What gender I was in front of you know what I mean like. That kind of stuff could happen here just as well as it could happen anywhere. and. There isn't really anywhere where I think I feel entirely safe other than my house. Which is why I like my house so much. Tell me about your setup. So how how isolated is life up? They really so when when we moved here where I sit on my front porch. I, don't see another human dwelling like it's very much like my neighbors are trees and trees and trees and trees. It's just it's astonishingly beautiful in like a million ways. Every day I mean I. think that that is mental health care. Before covid nineteen. Sandy's husband traveled a lot for work. Sometimes Sandy was alone for weeks at a time. If felt incredibly challenging at times especially early on you know I was like Oh no, I felt like. Oh, what did I do like? I've replaced like people with trees I had that feeling of like? Oh, no, I'm GonNa have no friends and then I remembered Bob. And I remembered like Bob didn't let living in the desert. Stop Him from having friends. Bob, built, a system for himself when he interacted with people, but not so many and not so much that it became unwanted noise in his head his only as alone as he needed to be. It turns out Bob. A man who proudly called himself a hermit living, only with his two dogs was actually something of a social savant. I think in Bob's specific case. It totally surprised me. I got on the phone with every person who had known him who I could possibly find who would talk to me and everybody who I found. Like everybody I spoke with was like you will not believe it. Bob Used to call all the time. Bob would stay in touch and I was kind of like. Isn't that funny? How enorm- here seems to be. If you're physically isolated, you have to be really cut off from people and I think Bob if anything. Because of the life he lead and all. All of the ways in which I think, he was a lonely person. He was actually really adept at overcoming. Maybe that little voice inside your head. That says I don't reach out. You know like don't do that. That would be weird or whatever like Bob was not worried about that? He was calling people and I think it's forced me in a way. I don't know not really accept physical isolation. Excuse for being disconnected I. Try to tell myself like hey, don't just stop talking to people because you live out here like it's something that you have to invest in. Sandy wanted to learn how to be alone and how to do it comfortably in. There was to just hang out with themself. I'm Bob provided a model. His big three tenets will creativity, community and spirituality. Bob was like this just example I had. In my head of like okay, you're alone. What are you gonNA do about it. You know what to do. Bob showed you like you know it's not the same stuff i. don't read the Bible in play the guitar and watch Joel Osteen. Call my cousin Jane. Same stuff that Bob did I do call Jane, but like I had to figure out. What are my versions of read the Bible Play Guitar. Version of that was singing and playing the piano, baking bread, and where possible growing food and sharing it with a small community. Would you say that you? You've ended up getting what you wanted like? Would you? Like did it make your life better in the ways that you hoped it would. I mean honestly I. Don't even remember what the world was before. I mean I like. My whole consciousness began about three years ago when I moved to this house. I don't as a big thing. Is that weird? I don't remember this for me. This is my whole universe. Now is like this this place the weather here today you know and what's going on in my garden I think I've just like. Yeah. I've had a full head transplant of some kind. Even since the first afternoon I was here. I was just like yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, this is what I want to be doing. Sandy's not. Not really the same way wasn't either. Instead! They're a of self-governed isolation, which is different to the misery of Covid nineteen driving us into our own homes indefinitely. Sundays isolation is completely under their control. They look squarely at a lewdness and made decisions about how to manage it. Alone is one of those words that I immediately kind of wonder. Aren't we all alone? Is there anybody who does not feel very alone? I would love to meet that person. There's stuff that can make that even more profound. I think when you're queer or trans. Maybe to you just know that like some people aren't going to be in your life forever. You know like for me. Coming out has entailed a fair amount of social loss. As long as you're alive, you'RE GONNA have. have to contend with like being inside your head being inside your story being inside the world, which is full of prejudice in bullshit, you know I think that for me that really thinking about not let's solve it all you know or like. How will I combat loneliness forever definitely? I've had these moments where I'm like. Wow, I. Really set myself up to just be alone. You know I've tried to kind of give myself permission to embrace like yeah I'm weird. You know I'm not. Not Normal I've never been normal. There was never a moment of my life when I understood whatever a person who who is assigned woman at birth or man birth and just feels that way. I don't know what that is I've never known what that is so for me. It's like so freeing to just be yeah. I live in the country by myself for the most part, and I can walk around topless and I've had top surgery and I don't care if anyone drives by. By sees my scars like this is who I am and like. Life is glorious, and let's show up for it. You know Bob wasn't sitting in the desert going Oh. Woe is me I'm sure he had minutes days where he felt that way. I think he did sometimes can really down about some of the experiences that he had in his life especially the first time he was in a hospital. I think a lot of stuff happened to him. That really was hard and. I think he also was someone who despite a lot. Figured out how to like. Sit Down at his typewriter. Pick up his guitar and like continue want. Sandy Allen the book about their uncle. 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How to Make Your Own Deli Meats

The House of Lee NYC

14:59 min | 6 months ago

How to Make Your Own Deli Meats

"Welcome to the House of Leeann Wiessee, the place for lights random. How To's hands and tips? Hi I'm Lee former teacher here breaking it down and keeping it real for you. Why does that matter being a teacher? Because we're trained to take any concept, analyze it. Tweak it and make it learnable. Or maybe it's just me being reform type a either way, welcome. Yes, it's been a while I've got to tell you. This whole challenging time has really gotten to me in terms of my productivity levels, so you so much for bearing with me being patient until I've been able to air another episode today for you. Is the episode I've been waiting to bring to you how to make your own Deli meats so before I get started into that. Please do show the show at least two other people who you think would love to hang out with us. and. I do want to share with you that if you WANNA learn how to start a podcast, or you want to see how I edit my audio and my workflows. I am giving free or shops on event. 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And just you know, you may hear the birds chirping. My windows are open because you know what y'all. It is hot in here. My dining New York City apartment so now the reason let's talk about Deli meat so I'm referring to chicken and Bologna specifically now. The reason for these two items is I absolutely Adore Baloney. Are you? Are you with me on that? But I don't adore the nitrates and the other chemicals that make me groggy or itchy or lethargic, and I had been imbibing in too many Oscar Mayer slices of Baloney. Because you know, it's easy to buy at the store. Right? Quick fix, but I got to thinking. You know the last time I tried to make Baloney. It was a disaster. But, so let me just back up and not do ballooning not tackle Baloney, but let's do something easy like chicken breasts, and you can do the same thing with boneless Turkey breast I suppose, but basically all you're doing is slow, roasting a marinated piece of meat, and then thinly slicing it. So let me take you through the process. What I did was I took a two chicken breasts and I- marinated them in a concoction that I got from the website a day in the kitchen dot com for Lisa at Dane the kitchen dot com. She has this easy homemade Sandwich Deli meat recipe, and basically her marinade is made of honey, salt, onion, powder and garlic powder. I went an extra step and added black pepper, and then I rubbed the meat in it and I let it marinade in the fridge. She likes to hang hers out for two to three days. I only did one day because I I just don't have the patience. When I get excited about a project I just WANNA. See it through and done right I want the results. So what I did was I slow roasted in the oven at about two. My oven goes as low as two hundred sixty five degrees. If you can count on the written numbers on the actual. And so I took about an hour and a half to slow roast it till the temperature got above one hundred sixty six degrees Fahrenheit, and there are several ways to slice Deli meat that you make at home so the big. The big issue is Oh will i. get the thin slices like at the Dili contractor. Right I personally like thicker slices I. Don't like my mom to be shaved or shaven. I guess I like to be able to handle that slice. And so I can use a sharp knife or can use the slicer feature on my food processor, and you know I do have a meat slicer that I got around one hundred dollars online on Amazon, and you can go to other places and get less expensive. Spicer's exist. I haven't tried them of meat slicer is a really fun tool to have. If you have the real estate for which I barely do I had to throw some stuff out to make room for that Sucker, but the fun thing about a meat slicer is that you can slice up a bunch of stuff uniformly, and what I love to do is slice tomatoes, onions and blocks of cheese, because blocks of cheese are less expensive than sliced cheese, right? And, it keeps for awhile I have special container in my fridge for the cheese, but it's nice to have certain foods prepped like I. Love Onions, so I am always prepping onions, but if my meat slicer and or the slicer on my food processor, yields smaller slices if you know what I mean not as wide, but very helpful, so if you don't have a food, slicer or processor, what I recommend is to put whatever it is. You want to slice that soft such as. A chicken breast put it in the freezer for about an hour forty five minutes to an hour. Not so it's frozen, but so it's firmed up and then use the sharp knife in your house, and thinly sliced from that point on. It'll be much easier than if you just take it out of the oven, or if you just take it out of the fridge again, the secret to thin slicing by hand is semi solid. Semi solid items so to get that semi solid, or the firmness is to put it in the freezer for a bit, so that's my tip for you and by the way this chicken Deli meat. Elma Gosh. It tasted so good so yummy. So now let's go back to Bologna. So basically to make Baloney we're going back there now is to make meet puree with ice or very very cold water and lots of fat, and then once you puree it all up and you put in your May, so you're nutmegger your in your salt near pepper, onion, powder and garlic powder. Some recipes call for coriander. Others call for what's called a cure powder and i. that's where all the chemicals are so I'm. I'm avoiding the chemical so I'm not using a cure, but that's what it's called. You can go to sausage maker DOT. com and get all sorts of things for sausage, making for luncheon meat, making you will need casing, and that's where I went to get my casing, and so basically what you do with Baloney is in. You can go on Youtube. I'm not going to give you a specific recipe for it because. Your accommodations. Your tools may be different than mine, but I will tell you what I did, so I made meet puree with a ratio of one to one meat to fat, and so if you're using beef, or if you're using pork, you can get the fat from your butcher, which is what I do when I make sausage as well and your spices again as I mentioned before salt. Salt garlic powder what else pepper and the secret ingredient is Mace, and or Nutmeg? Some people again use coriander, and basically you're puree ing. If you don't have a meat grinder, you can just put it in your food processor, so you will need a food processor for making Baloney type, luncheon, meat, and or sausage. Because you needed to be finally finally, he needed to be like Mush. Basically in it'll look like pink and white. Fatty Mush. When you're in the food browser, and then you want to add water and so in or ice water. The idea is to keep it cold, so the fat doesn't melt basically, and then you want to put it in the casing, and then you can. Roast it slow roasted in a water bath or just put in a water bath and cook it until it reaches one hundred sixty six degrees Fahrenheit on the stove top, which is what I've done, and it doesn't look like Delhi Delhi, so to say because it's not mushy. It's not but it. It's not as fine and smooth, but it is the the taste is there and it'll. It'll get you there if you care about having Bologna with no preservatives that you make on your own, and you can use pork, or you can use beef, or whatever you like. Basically I guess right because Baloney they make it out of chicken too so again. That's what I'm those are my two things that I've been playing with, and should I be confident enough to share my own personal recipe on the Baloney than I will. Okay the chicken breasts is pretty simple straightforward just like I mentioned earlier, and so if you make your own luncheon, meats at home, please do let me you can reach out to me. Lee At House of Leeann Y C DOT COM. You can leave a voice memo at House of Lee NYC DOT com, or you can follow me and reach out at House of Lee NYC. I would love to hear from you I would love to hear your thoughts in what your doing in the kitchen these days. And maybe you're one of those brave souls, and you can just do take our part of its gives me out I. Keep Thinking what if they've got it on their hands, and then touch the package or would if they sneeze because I'll be honest with you. Some of the places I frequented before all of this going on they're open and they I've walked by and seen people not wearing masks while preparing food. so that bothers me and you know just like I went to get a Lotta the other day. Day from one of those big named chains, and even though they only had one person coming in at a time to pick up their orders, I saw the person handing them out. Wipe his nose and face, and then hand the Cup of coffee to the customer in front of me, I was so gross out seriously, and so that is what's preventing me from doing. Take Out, but maybe you're having a fantastic time with it I'd love to know that to please do share and reach out and let me know. If. You're having issues with productivity at this time. I'd love to know that, too. I would love to know that I'm not alone. Essentially you know we're zooming. How many viewers zooming I feel like I'm socializing with zoom much way more with my friends, if funny enough. Yet still feeling a bit lonely. 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Jokowi visit: can good neighbours become good friends? Andrew Stone on why we need radical economic reform

Between The Lines

29:04 min | 9 months ago

Jokowi visit: can good neighbours become good friends? Andrew Stone on why we need radical economic reform

"This is an abc podcast. Hello there i'm tom switzer. And welcome to between the lines. Now as the corona virus continues to spread. We're starting to look beyond the health and human impact. The long term costs to the australian economy now this week. Ubs analyst said krono virus has walked six billion dollars off australia's gdp that's point zero nine percent of our annual growth. It's a big hit to our exports primary industry and the university sector. Now they're in the program. I'll be chatting with the former chief economist. Andrew stein on the fallout he's proposing a radical reform of the australian economy to prepare for the future and to safeguard against future shocks. Lock this one but first few international problems in the post world war. Two era have proved difficult for our nation as development of friendly policy towards indonesia. Just think about it. Jakarta's annexation of west papua in nine hundred sixty to the attempted coup d'etat and successful counter-coup by the indonesian army that was nineteen sixty five the invasion of as. Taymor seventy five. The dili massacre ninety. One the east team or mission in ninety nine. And who can forget the controversies over terror. Attacks live cadillacs bullpens successive wives of boatpeople this spying revelations and drug trade and of course those executions so has president jarkko daito or jacuzzi or jacoby as he's known has. His visit marked a new era in australia. Indonesia relations this week to cowie was only the second indonesian leader to address a joint sitting of parliament and he came to camera bearing a gift. He's approval of the trade deal between our two countries. Greg feely is associate professor of indonesian politics at the australian national university's college of asia and the pacific and diming kingsbury is professor international politics at deakin university in melbourne. greg damian. Welcome back to our in. Thank you now damien. Does that you kelly visit this week. Does that maka a dramatic breakthrough in australia. Indonesia relations look it's a really positive sign and it does mock an improvement in relations but i don think in itself comprises an entirely new relationship. It's just a step in the right direction. Okay so the the relationship still presumably dogged by bitterness and suspicion but it was obvious support and even warmth towards education from both sides of politics gregg fairly. Yes that's right i think The y.`all would characterize it is the jacobi visa was building on the breakthrough which is the comprehensive economic partnership agreement. That was signed early last year. And what saw with dakota's visa was. He's personal preparedness and preparedness. He's government to really put its white behind the agreement. I think a lot of people think the agreement in pie terms is very good but the question is canopy implemented properly. Can the red type be cleared away in indonesia. Can we persuade australian businesses to invest more Generously in indonesia and i think the jacoby visa guy very positive signs for that still a lot of things to done for that The potential of that agreement to be realized but it was really good. Move in that direction. Again it's been said that. The many lingering suspicions profile in jakarta indonesians still resent l leading role insecure in a team os independence because it was more than twenty years ago. Yes i think One of the ironies here he said indonesia now has very good relations with east t- more and he's teamer leaders Fighted in fact when i go to jakarta and the strata is still has this legacy of suspicion towards indonesia. I think you have to back. Partly in history this great saints vulnerability that Many asians feel that logic countries or large countries around them at trying to split up their country to conduct. Bulkin is it and the ace taymor. Even though he's team always not part of the original borders of the dutch colony. Die still feel that as team will confirmed that Other countries have these designs upon the country and upon its unity and after his team. More focusing shifted to papa. This strategy may still want to divide papua dining. You've written a lot about west papua and at the heart of the standoff in two thousand and six paul showed that something like seventy five percent of australian supported independence for the former dutch colony. This why the indonesians are uneasy about estrada's position. He certainly one of the issues in the makeup of mistrust and complexity in the relationship There's there's been longstanding depths in jakarta's to either strang government doesn't do more to acquire pro-separatist Sentiment in australia. They believe the particularly the ngo sector has played a role in stirring up separatist sentiment in west. Papua and there is Continuing concern that australia has too much of a focus particularly on eastern indonesia which is also the poorest part of the country. Well how then do we bridge. These divides greg. I mean to. What extent is this new free. Try deal. This is the so-called indonesia australia comprehensive economic partnership agreement. Ten years in the making to what extent does that he'll these divisions. I don't know that it heals the divisions poseidon. I think many of the the list of things you you sit out at the beginning of the interview. I think we have always had the potential. I knew things like that to occur but one of the consistently underperforming parts of the bilateral relationship has been the economic ties and so this comprehensive agreement will hopefully see much more economic activity between the two countries and that in itself might provide some kind of deepest ability but if the economic relationship expand by site thirty to forty percents in the next few years diamond. Wouldn't the free try deal really mocking important development for the relationship a look. There's no question that it's an important step in in in strengthening relationship. This guy is back to what gareth evans was talking about in the nineteen eighties. Where he said we needed to add ballast to the relationship unbalanced. He meant if we can get a strong economic relationship between australia and indonesia implies than the rest of it will follow behind because there will be a an upfront primary interest in preserving the economic relationship. And that's always been a difficulty. In the relations destroy and strength companies have invested in indonesia but not to a great extent. The head found difficulties. There this free trade agreement certainly opens up more opportunity for investments and tried but again and again as greg has alluded to. I think the question will be. How much strategies is to take out this opportunity and whether or not they say the the problems of doing business in indonesia over combat is free trade agreement whether or not there's going to be impediments to a greater degree of engagement. My guests greg. Feely from new in camera and damien. Kingsbury from deacon in melvin. And here's a little fun fact. This is according to the australian this week. It was chris. Bowen the library from benca podcast on iran and between the lines. It was chris bowen in his shirt who walked away the most chuffed with these brave. Jacoby interaction we he. The president complimented bowen's flawless fluency in indonesian. Little known fact chris. Bowen speaks indonesian now. A few years ago china's president she addressed indonesia's legislature to great fanfare. So the fees guy. Now what's the nature of the relationship now between jakarta and beijing greg. There's a lot of similarities between indonesia's relations with china and distributors Janis niger economic partner for indonesia. It's also niger investor in the country indonesia's increasing the Pot of china's belt and road initiative. So it's getting a lot of development money. These increasing penetration of lodge chinese corporations building infrastructure for example hospitalized row link between the capital jakarta and the regional capital abandon So there's a. There's a lot of economic activity happening and president. She has very good personal relationship with prisoner jacoby but they're also tensions. One of the tensions is chinese fishing boat incursions into indonesian territorial waters In near the south china sea in the name of the island of tuna and that causes a lot of angst in indonesia sometimes confrontation between Nio vessels of both countries. Another problem is a fairly high level of underwent lying suspicion towards the chinese in indonesia so this often bubbles politically to the surface in indonesia and people say that indonesia is at risk of losing some sovereignty to the chinese and so this is always a break for a leader. Such as jacoby who badly needs chinese investment and the development expertise if he saying as Ext doing that excessively will then he will be attacked for that. Well could chana's rise than i mean. It's obviously threatening. The integrity of sovereign states around the region diamond could could china's roz helped draw camera and jakarta even closer. Yes look there's been a discussion now going back several years in canberra about a closest security relationship within the news yet it seems to be a natural hartman in the region Geography i think determines that to a large extent but our strategic interests similar in relation to china about countries want to have a strong economic relationship with china We want to have china's investments and tried to sell into china but we also want to limit china's expansion in the region strategic rich particularly in the south china sea and In relation to them turner islands which is at the southwest of the south china saying there is neither lapping climbed by china and indonesia. And that's what to the tensions of mid january this year. What we're seeing though is. Indonesia is welcoming china roman hand but in terms of economic growth and development but in terms of china's growing strategic runyon ambition. There's a great deal of skepticism. I think in indonesia as the reason chinandega familiar story. Now let's turn finally gentlemen to indonesia internally. Let's get your reaction to something. The indonesian journalist. Julia sirak osama. This is what she told my. Rn colleague andrew west. This week joey. His record on democracy and human rights has declined and in fact now many activists think that not just activists observers think that democracy indonesia has lowest point in twenty years. It is ironic since when we had the reform era after suharto stepped down. That was supposed to be the beginning of democratization in indonesia but that has opened up a pandora's box and released all the traditional religious conservatives and mainly religious groups has sacrificed human rights. And what he says in a book phobia and intolerance for the sake. Offline call stability. Indonesian journalist julia sura kasama on iran's religion and ethics program. This week diming kingsbury. Look i think that Jacoby has moved in a couple of areas which have raised eyebrows. About his commitment to a plurality and human rights particular around the issues of religion and religious tolerance and so on. But broadly. I think jacoby is an inheritor of the reform tradition particularly that started by cecilia among indiana and that he really is deepening and embedding democratic practice. If we some limitations around the edges. Yeah well greg failure. I mean it's often argued that indonesia the fourth because nation in the world. We tend to forget that. It represents a persistent triumph of democracy this the nation journalists big for a lot of activists when she says that the indonesian ideal of tolerance really has been destroyed. So i think it's probably i'll i think she's somewhat. This is always a matter of the bites. Don't mean any disrespect to julius Sort of kasuma but Under jacoby in fact. Religious tolerance has somewhat improved on democracy. Some of the things that jacoby has initiated have really harmed the quality of democracy and there are several things that are being discussed by. he's government wrought now and by the parliament which if implemented could be a considerable reversal. He wouldn't stop indonesia being a democracy. But it would reduce the quality of the democracy greg damian and important discussion. Thanks so much again for being on our end well for nearly three decades. Australia has enjoyed what the economist magazine is called a miracle economy. Think about it. We've experienced a wider choice of goods and services at loa real prices. We've not suffered a recession. Since the first two quarters of ninety ninety one no have way unlock. The americans and brits saint substantial widening inequality all this despite the global and asian financial crises however as assigned guys all good things. Come to an end. There are predictions that corona virus could call it. Six billion dollar hit to the economy and even before that there were songs we were over exposed to china's growth slowdown as my next guest. Makes cle- we urgently need to build on the successes and prepare for the table of years to come. He says i only radical reform will get us. The andrew stone is author of restoring hope practical policies to revitalize the australian economy's just published by quadrant books andrews a former senior economist at the commonwealth treasury and the reserve bank as well as the chief economist and senior policy analyst and adviser to tony abbott andrew. Welcome to rn. Thanks how bad he's crying. Avars going to be for australia's budget. It's actually very difficult still to say a. My guess is that it may actually be fairly significant because you have both the direct effects without. We will see some of that. I mean it's horrible event. What's going on in china at the moment it hasn't spread too widely to the rest of the world but the impact may be significant directly but in addition to that event i think may cause significant rethinking by companies that operate in china that source goods from china which is a huge part of the world economy. Now to think about the supply chains and how those needs to be reorganized and so forth. That might cause the chinese economy. That was already at that. Price was intriguing because the trade tensions between the united states and china and the measures being taken by president trump. so there's already a process and try and i think a lot of that. It may have a significant impact on china's economy which is already itself quite exposed and then the problem for strata of course is that we are hugely exposed to the chinese economy and indeed. That's one of the points i make in my book. One of the urgent drivers the need for form is that we are in my view. Much more exposed to international as china's economic expansion has contributed to our long economic bull. Ron especially since the financial crisis but as you said is now more growing awareness about the extent to which we really are dependent on dodging. Absolutely well. listen. Let's talk about your faces. Summarize briefly the con of policy reforms you recommend to guarantee a new era of prosperity will so what i've endeavored to doing. The books actually provide ambitious and fairly comprehensive economic and fiscal agenda. We'll have to judge whether it's successful. But i organized my thinking innocence under three headings the first part is is providing relief struggling families so in that i try to look at a couple of issues that are often not fought over his economic issues. But that have a big impact on the white people feel about the economy and those are the housing market the massive increase in housing prices on first middle middle part of the stick and immigration and the impact of that on wages and a community amenity and so forth infrastructure other than this issue of how to strengthen economic growth. You mentioned that. We haven't had recession for twenty years. And then he's a tremendous achievement on the other hand in the last period. Since the end of the government out per capita growth has only been point nine percent per annum with almost two and a half percent. Print amount of the hal. Governments wise growth is well low-wage growth weakest wage growth onto the wage price index measure. On record i in recent years. So i mix number proposals about how we can boost productivity growth. Which has been week. That's the core of the essential thing to hear their three areas. I think the government should be focusing on in addition to infrastructure and red type as a higher education reform. A reform of federal state relations with there is a major format. I think could be undertaken and also energy market reform an last all is the key issue of managing macroeconomic risk. That's the sort of thing that we were talking about a moment. Gonna china and the two things are monetary policy and fiscal policy in. That's budget repair and also try to ensure that we get here. Monetary settings right and our whole structure monetary policy correct. Well these are big. Id's many market. Economists would would side the right of the jew. But let's take a step back and put this in the context of the toxic polarization in canberra middle. It's not as bad as it is inside washington a westminster but nevertheless how can government still push through profound palsy reforms. Like the one. Joe suggesting these days. Well i think it needs care about the ideas and one of the things. I have absolutely made a priority in my book is to try to focus on what he's practically achievable. So i think a lot of care needs to be taken anything about policy reform proposals. It's no good just saying or we should do this or we should do that. And that's been one of the problems with the policy debate. I think in in recent years the too much declaratory sierra. You know people say all we need. We need microeconomic reform. We need tax reform without saying specifics. And indeed the specifics how executive it'd be achieved. But even so i think so. Obviously you need good ideas. You need an effective public service to be able to fill in the details of implementation. You need a good public debate during the public onsite but most of all what you need is courage on the part of politicians. And that's that's always the k. Thing governments need a sense of Of crisis to force the political system to respond. I think of bob hogan and john. How dow rival to push through a sound structural productivity enhancing reforms. Because of the special circumstances. I mean who came to power ninety three. You had had the nation's deepest post-war recession and of course you had the the currency crosses in the mid nineties how'd came to office with costello and ninety six with the shock of the early nineties recession. so do we need a crosses to make your reform agenda. I think there's a perfectly reasonable argument. Sometimes having a crisis can help as long as you have. People are committed to making those good reforms in the first place. it's not automatically the case. I don't wanna crisis crisis in battle to people get hurt. Unemployment goes up and so forth but even then the other risk of course with the crisis is that people choose to implement bad ill-thought-through reform can go the other way. That's automatic kate. Okay let's talk about energy. You have construction of new state of the coal power stations at hazelwood and ladele and a pencil and a potential third power station in queensland. Your argument is this will help restore the economy's alot energy cost advantage. Your critics would say the recent dreadful bushfires reminded that climate change is a major threat to these strong economy. Should we then move forward to a low-carbon future Well i don't think it's it's absurd really to extrapolate from one hot summer to the idea that you should be making policy changes but even even if i were to subscribe to that view which i don't you think even those terms it would not be sensible to be refusing to take advantage of our cost advantages the nation after all if you are passionate about emissions. What good does it do to say. We will not exploited the the advantage. We have in colin powell to produce goods. We'll have saint manufacturing offshore to asia much to china where actually missions controls are less less strict. And then we'll have it. All those sanctions put out in china. It achieves nothing in terms of global emissions if you if you go critics who say that big. Investors are harding their exit from call. But this is a false argument to say that the private sector is now. It is true that the private sector would be loath very difficult for investors to build a coal-fired power station but that's because we have structured the regulations and rules around the energy marketing such as to make it impossible for them and we've also deliberately built in a huge amount of sovereign risk from us pass changes which remained after platelet. How would you respond to the argument. That the big trading partners thinking mainly the european union they considering a cabin board tax on australian exports and that would ramp up the cost of inaction what. I will actually take seriously idea that they would do that. It finally conceivable ten years ago when we had this notion that the world was all moving towards a global globalized future. When we're all in this together you the people might have thought that that would be a reasonable threat. I don't think it is now much more global tension between chile rising superpower china and america and so forth but even leaving that aside. There's at least one good point that's might buy that argument. If you're gonna talk about border adjustments at least you're getting to the point that if you if you care about emissions you should care about the emissions embedded in what people consume it. Not what they produce. This is one of the crazy crazy. Things about the whole discussion about emissions is that we focused on. How much producing here so that. So that we say oh. It's great if we if we moved production offshore to china. We import the same things. We're producing the same emissions globally. But they're not being produced within alborz that somehow retarded. That's a gain hip ridiculous. At least an argument does bring us to the focus. That the more or less the entire debate we've been having into production is is fundamentally misdirected. If you just in your on our end with. May tom switzerland my guest. Andrew stone author of a new book called restoring hope published by quadrant magazine. Now immigration you. Identify a looming demographic crisis so significant population. Edging i've coming decades yet you also support slashing the annual immigration intake andrew odd respondents. I don't immigrants tend to be young which helps sliding immigrants do tend to be younger on average than the general population. So it shuffles the timing of the aging of the population so as has been pointed out. How demographic mulling very clear on this point. If you bring in a whole immigrant it temporarily slows the ageing of the population but it does not on a fifty to one hundred year timetable alter that aging very much at all. What's more if you bring it out. Immigrants at the pace that we've been doing in the period since the mid two thousand since the thailand of the howard government you actually cause huge additional demand in the housing market which drive up housing prices. Which is actually having a negative impact on fertility rites and and the internal demographics of the country. Australia's birthright in light of dodd was formed the lowest level on record in one hundred years of which we got what about the treasury estimates. You worked at the treasury that drastically slashing the annual mauger antic- carries a significant economic costs and many economists have said that we would have suffered a recessional to during the past two decades. I you downplaying the economic consequences of slashing immigration. Not at all but the point is it is gold. The gold which must call thought clearly understood is that a goal is not per site or produce a headline jj in terms of the well being of the australian people. What matters much more has gdp per capita. And as i said. Jd per capita growth. In this period of extremely rapid immigration has been far far away than it wasn't a through how who katie period. I should say by that what i'm proposing my say slashing even rush on proposing going back to the levels that were run during the helmet and that was comparable to the period katie element in for that twenty five year period of held hocking australia randy fastest per capita immigration program in the developed world with exceptional israel because influx of russian jews after the end of the soviet union and with the only other exceptions liechtenstein. Which is a tiny principality in the middle of europe which is a tax haven and population less than half a million so we had an extremely rapid immigration. Normal programming would resume under your proposed proposed very rarely hear that i can only higher education. You say the amount of foreign students propping up the university sector is a problem. That's a widespread view. That's become quizzically. Evident the china issue but the reality. He's andrew. It's the third largest export sector so wouldn't cutting student numbers crippled. The higher education sector possibly obliterate some university faculties. No i don't think it would and it's much more important that we have good high quality education sector for a straightens that we say well we can make a few extra bucks now for the university sector by by bringing in vast numbers of foreign students which we probably catering it is true in my book. I propose that we ratchet back those two still at reasonably high level but we reach them back over five year period to allow university. Some time to adjust to these gebze. Eighty you propose a funding increase. No i don't actually. I actually have a series of proposals in relation to higher education. Which i believe. Get at the core problem. Their fundamental misalignment of incentives in higher education which means that universities are not properly focused on serving the needs of australian students and partly relates to the way in which we have structured at the help loan system in the higher education. Grants internally to the way we've allowed universities to massively increase the number of foreign students they have and also the fact that we don't have any proper independent quality control universities in terms of you know we're very focused on grading people in the coming out of high school to see how they're gone. Universities focus a lot on the quality of the students coming in but there is no test on the quality of students emerging from universities and so we need reforms that will address those issues. I out concrete proposals in my book while the book is called restoring hope practical policies to revitalize the australian economy's just published by quadrant books. Andrew stein thanks so much for being on irene. Thanks very much. Andrew stone is a former communist country. The rbi and prominence to tony abbott's office. Thanks for tuning into between the lines now before we go this week. Opposition to the uk's decision to allow wildly to build part of their five g. Network will that grew even louder. And it's making some interesting bedfellows across the political. All british foreign secretary dominic robb. He came on camera for a post. Brexit visit this week and he was strongly criticised by the veteran labour employee. Anthony burn now echoing the views of liberal and pays like andrew hastie giants patterson you may recall mind view with both of them light last. Gm says anthony burn. He said the uk is quote flat out wrong in thinking that i can safeguard their network and that china's rise is et quote an existential issue for australia. Also this week a group of british conservative. mp's dob the wolverines latest today fellow tory mp's seeming to encourage a mutiny over the y. Decision extraordinary and you may recall last week on the program. I spoke with tori impe home too. And he liked the y. Decision to nesting the dragon and letting the fox into the hen house rocky. You don't wanna miss that if you missed it. Go to iraq. Hawks just abc dot net slash iran and follow the prompt to between the launch. Can he that. Tom can hide interview as well as the hasty patterson one from light loss jeep. I'm tom switzer. Thanks so much tuning into between the lines hype continued again next week. 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The Dose  Leias Polar Roll 3-Peat!

Fat-bike Radio

59:04 min | 8 months ago

The Dose Leias Polar Roll 3-Peat!

"It's the dose Gomes. I'm GONNA call Laya. 'cause she just repeated the frigging. F- Pola Roll Man so standby. Hey how's it going okay? It's going good. Well I if we actually recording so oh yeah Friday. I'm finally getting out of hibernation mode after the polar rolls really do you go deep into after vigorous like that deep dive that one. It was a good good two days. The celebration festivities all night on Saturday. Didn't help Nice. You know that gives hope to To some ladies for the Fed burkey yeah I mean hopefully. I'm recovered by them to actually give them give them a run for their money. Who's been sending me instagram pictures? Jill Cedar Home Show. Yeah jail. She's aware course. Never quit. Think she'd chew at least sent me a picture with a jeep. Gladiator two which is pretty cool. She you know she got that place at lead bill. Aw I can see your city you some really sweet scenery. Picks that BAP Lakers for sure. Yeah her Lemaire fat bike yeah beauty. So here's what I had this idea during my ride today I was like You know what I should do. I should call todd and get a reaction to this. Repeat I should call Michael Jordan and ask him. If he's heard about your three Pete. I should call Joe Miser Asa because you ride a salsa. I should call my buddy andy from head wheels and be like and get all these reactions to last parole three Pete but there's only one person that can tell the whole story and that's you all those all those champs help I mean it's also This is my fifth year on the salsa. I can't give up this fight. A three hundred three out of five polar roles recommend your I mean You're older version of the bear grease but not the most winningest bike of the polar role to date the Ice Queen. Yeah had wailed and now is with newly newly liquid spokes. We got the bird books on there and I I made a last minute Tired Change I had been rocking the Van Hill. We started getting a little bit of freeze thaw and with the harder pack services. I just wasn't feeling like I was corner and And as well as I have with when I had studs and and so you know my mind just wasn't right coming in hesitant and I'm like man I can't I you know I. I WanNa jam this thing. I WANNA come in hot. I don't WanNa be worried about slipping out and so I I last minute called George and had him drop ship me the Dili fours with studs. Nice and I think I'm just GONNA leave those on the last couple of weeks. Use those for the Burki to no matter. What the conditions are. I mean unless it's like total soup kitchen. You just can't go wrong with a wheel. There's such a limited. I mean there's a little bit of a weight penalty because you're carrying around two hundred and some odd little pieces of metal but for T- level of like like you said you know if it's giving you confidence really poor the coals into those corners and really trust your tires. Then it's totally worth it. You can carry all that much more speed. Yeah and you know in these. Dili's the the nuggets are as deep as the van Helga Sophie like you okay. So they might wait a little bit more. But there's less rolling resistance but the same amount of grip. 'cause he got from. Yeah so I'm that's what I'm going with my tire choice. All right I got away from it and Came back came back home. Well cool so th repeat. Did you ever did you did you? Did you ever think when you one the first one? Did you think I'm just going to continue to win this race? I never thought that I mean the first ones the fries. The hell out of me is a was By one side I'd wanted and then new the next year I was going to go back. I obviously wanted to it a second time but then the third year like Oh man the pressure is on one. Every elite woman has to be like. Well there's the person beat right there. A Layer Schneeberger Aka the ice queen. Let us put a target on her back. Yeah I think I have that. That course dial spent so much time in Marquette Michigan Meaning Ghani and those trails over the summer you know with training for the Margie and then I do like to go up there during the winter a few times just because it's so wonderful And so I. I know those trails really well and it's a four hour race. I mean it took me three hours and fifty six minutes this year and so when I'm prepping I'm just putting on big hours so might not have like top and fitness right now but I can go for days so it was almost forty miles this year. I like thirty forty mile. Yeah if you had I didn't have the wheel sensor but you had it would have been like forty one or two but I left it off because I didn't Wanna I was forty and I like I don't want to have that wheel sensor I think I'm done. I got two miles ago. I heard Heard that they put another mid race. There was a a big climb back in or yeah to the race starts in in downtown Michigan right on the main road and then we jumped on bypass right next to the lake and it was still kind of dark out and the winds were just howling in our faces. Like coming off the lake. It was so so cold and That that portion wasn't really well groomed in. You know it was pretty soft Because there's a lotta an you know it's really crowded at the beginning. So there's a lot of accidents and again just trying to get around the chaos and then when we jumped in the single track man we are climbing fell like for hours. I wanted to say with all the all the climbing in that. First Section off the road I think there is four category four climbs before we got to The nice section of market south single track trails. You know so. We had that we had to get up into them and then We we go under a bridge across the highway and there were climbing Benson's and then we hit some nice single track but that's still climbing two and then you get to the snowmobile trail and you're going. I don't know maybe ten miles and it's a false flat so we're going uphill for the first twenty two miles. It seemed like you just up and up and up and up and then Snowmobile trail really well packed in like I put a higher. I Cook more air on my tyres. I normally do. I went like five six. I normally go three four But I put a little bit more in knowing that there's so many miles of that hard pack snow and I'm glad I did 'cause I heard a lot of people were struggling on that with with the lower pressures and yeah. There is some areas where The snow had blown over. There was a deep digging with those higher pressures. It was harder to maneuver through. But those were so rare. You know like Oh darn had a dab down for a minute. I'd rather get that speed that I needed On the snowmobile trail. But what's talk is it was like twenty mph winds it right in our face. Sixty mile an hour winds. Oh Man Yeah I mean it's all like it. Holy Shit Do Thuc like in two thousand eighteen. I got real lucky I I. I hopped on solid wheel and that where we ended up catching another group and so for the majority of that race I was in a pack like five guys and the entire snowmobile trail. And just just just burning up miles. You know real nice and fast and that you know working hard but not killing myself but this time I Tried to try to latch onto this pack. I thought this through in the last portion of single track. And we're coming out onto this golf course and there was a lot of that that bad diggity type area and I got these guys and then the the one in front of me like just all sprawled out all over the place right. I just like I can't get around there. Vikes body everything had jumped this guy and and So it was just enough to lose the pack. So what I got onto this thing under the snowmobile trail. I'm alone I'm like oh it's GonNa saw mystique. Oh Man in there and these guys. They're like right there. You know like almost grab them but they're working together and so to do that spilled it in front of me. He caught me and I got happen his wheel and and I watch them and I'm and I'm watching him and I see him like mess around his water water and they mess around with some. Who just kind of like thinking around and I'm thinking. Oh my God the seconds. This guy is done like dealing with his stuff. I am told you know so. I'm just GonNa stay here like just like enjoy this lagers like and sure enough after a mile he he just sits up. Get out get out of the sea and just hall how. I know that was nice. Okay by man like God damn it and then I'm like on my own into the win as like an. I thought that I like this course winded ever decide that I liked the polar. All you know like five miles in and it's just burning your facing you're moving nowhere in trudge it on your own. I'm like give me Outta here But you know what I train alone like. I'm on the road and train alone and I don't have someone in front of me and I'm in the winter. I'm GONNA pills alone. You know you got all these guys that group ride all the time and they draft. And that's all fine and Dandy but I was sitting here and I was just like you know what you do this alone all the time so just put your head down and you know sit at a hundred and sixty eight and just sit there and just get it done. So that's what I did. And then finally you hit the the next single section in Ghani and sure enough. You're going straight up again copy. Go puffing away But you're in the woods so it's nicer and then finally you come to the really wide open area and it's just a descent. I mean it's a long descent. It's like yeah finally like I just get to my goal wide open I don't wear glasses though so I was kind of snow blind crying. I couldn't I couldn't see I couldn't see the trail. There's no crying in fed bike racing. I've told myself at every day is not for the faint at heart but somebody finally like sweet downhill and I can't see the trail and I'm like forget it. I don't even care like I. I'M GONNA bomb this. Just hope for the best and Well Yeah went right into the days. Blasted the front of my bike in no bank. So hard that It cracked my Numberplate in half superwoman. That like face plant into the snow or I'm just I'm just I'm just covered and like you like you so This is why we should have helicopter coverage I mean. I'm sure he got six feet. You know like I had to walk back to my bike. Something like oh. Jeez amazing how that works out. Normally like you're crying you can't see you're you're in the middle of the year like at race vigour and you're like fuck it. I can just go right and asas time. It works out just fine clothes caller slip but you know we don't do a superwoman. Or Guy Glorious. I mean I whatever I gossip and I just WANNA go fast. 'cause you're just trudging along with ally and I want so you haven't said anything about any other. Women elite riders at this point. So yeah I up front and you're just on your own fighting the wind. Yup I jumped out real real fast. So by the time I even got to The snowmobile trail. I believe I was are a four-minute gap will then 'cause I had someone giving me bottle handouts because it was supposed to be twenty five degrees and you'll get an hour before your bottle freezes. Well it was more like ten degrees in which case you only get about a half an hour before. The nozzle starts freezing. So I you know. A lot of people were bitching about their water freezing and all this stuff and they had to go without water. And it's like you guys you guys prepare for like three months right. You do all this training. But you're not gonNA get the details right on race day. That should be the easy part. Like everybody's you know your head a little bit Utah. So the night before I had I had a guy to help. Raise the port for me and we actually drove to each of the places that I needed him and he said a pin so and he had like a little chart of what he needed to give me at. What location I had my water bottles mark like one two three four and we had even two spots where I I said you know either. GonNa be just places to see me and just tell me times you know like splits but I'm probably not gonNA need a water bottle but then wake up and it's ten degrees and I said look you're going to have to have a wider bile for every single place that I'm at so I just switched a water bottle like about every half hour in Baghad. Those suckers still froze so i. My food was Grows and I tried to. Have you know a bar? I mean I had to gels but a lot of my food is in in the water bottles and I had a a one of the water bottles fuller perpetual more. It's got a little bit of protein. You know you're on for hours. You need some protein. And I'm like I need calories right now and I couldn't get anything out of the bottle. I'm like this is so annoying like I am not going down because of this so high took my teeth and I rip the nozzle off the water bottle bottle and I shut the whole thing. I just shot that house like whatever it takes and the head her abou I read it right off. I don't care I'll get an update and other one is born to that bottle love. Gosh yeah but so then and last portion is just some really fun. Single-track of course was dialed man. I just love those trails conditions for just ideal. Yeah Yeah you. Can't you dream? You can't even dream about that right like you see that. That's in your dreams. That's not real. Yeah especially the last few years here. We haven't had the winner like this where we've had good groomed conditions this far south and obviously markets have ourselves. But even yeah great so good. Oh good faith. Yeah I've had some really really choice rides. Well I did the week before I did. The Badger State Games down. And I've never ridden that course where it was that good. I mean you can get up all those super punchy climbs no problem cool normally never never ever and that is really hard to the ride as it is but with the conditions that we've had there. I'm telling anyone that's listening. Get to underdown because it is easier right now than it is in the summer because there's so much snow it smooths out all that you know that old school yeah. Manuka rocks and roots and all that kind of stuff so good. Manuka now is like a slot car driven so fast and all of those. You know the the big school bus at Sarah. Rock formations are all easy as pie or all beginner. Yes there's just the lane on it now has moved out is just like riding over a hill. He's not make me WANNA go ride my bike. Manuka tired I want my life now. Do it now or very early tomorrow morning. About two o'clock in the morning right now is the gals ask hit and Blue Mountains with oil. That's good yeah exactly you know I. I think that I really wanted drive up to win man and right there again as I I was there a couple of weeks ago or last month was so good. Yeah they're grooming champions up there. Yeah I bet those trials ed so goodness summertime to have you written up their summer. Yeah not in the summer. In the winter the underdown Badger State Games had to be a pretty good warm for for the parole because that was in the mid twenties. Right Miles I twenty. Yeah Yeah something like that. Twenty six miles. Maybe but that took me a long time. It was like a three and a half hour race. Also you know I mean. I wasn't matter the mile the and number amount of time here. Yeah time in watts right. Yeah well I don't know I'm not really down with the watts. My wasser pathetic really. Yeah my wife are so embarrassing. That I don't even post with my trainer rides on Straub. I hide 'em. Yeah but you're going to be a win. The polar role against dude that are pushing out. Three Hundred Watt a much smaller airframe. You know you're a fighter jet. We need as many watch out. I'm a jumbo jet not anymore. I used to be a super jumbo. Yeah we'll cool and then you You finished alone dudes or I was alone knee entire as pretty much. Did you check anybody? Did you chickeny all the way along thing? Is I know soccer they I. I didn't do as well as I wanted to. As far as my placement what the guys in eighteen I got seventeenth and this year. I got twenty seven. So maybe there's just more faster dies. I don't know maybe on the old lower eighteen was so fast yeah. Eighteen of course was so fast. Tom was quite a bit slower this year than that year courses even writing shorter. Riding Solo. Put you further back. Kill Nina kill made. You said you had gotten into a into a fast group and your before and that because you're also saving energy all the other place that we wrote that is close to you is blackhawks ski area. I I he hugest raise their God. That was odd. Saab was good stuff in Madison's killer and the conditions jumps. Yeah Yeah. There was mountain biking on groomed. I mean that's there's no other way to describe it. It wasn't like fat by Game Was Mountain biking and Oh my God I took twenty first and in the citizens like my best my best ever heard. I think I think I don't want to try that hard anymore though. I tried hard for two races and I did pretty good. Thank you can go back to you. Just go back to be just like like racism as much as fun. Go ahead of me. I'm good instead of being like. Hey when you When you have Christian Melman. Could you let that guy have no technique? Could you go faster and stuff or let me address your tires? Trust your tires. It's going to be okay. Stop touching your break. The next thing you know they're doing Snow Angels to the side. We're trying to let you buy. And then they call over. Yeah it's it's. It's a delicate dance. Among is it. Is it why I feel like it could be? I took senior handlebars sensors indicates softer snow to the left Gomez Sundays. Maybe I'll go ahead Blackhawk right now to Blackhawk. There's so much fun stuff there and I'm that's even the climbing is fun. They're that big serpentine. Climb up to the jump. That's where I was like telling people trust your tires. Don't touch your brakes. It'd be by because I addressed the wrath lords and I was like you're you're passing. People appeal go and then they took out after before that there was a section where was wide fricking open. That I wish I had a bigger gear and like my top speed and it's all flat. My was like twenty seven miles an hour and map. Yeah so it was a good day to be on the bike did it was not as good as a three peat at Polaroid. Bill sure I might have been going thirty miles an hour when I my number plate with no dude when you said you cracked I thought Oh man. She broke bars. You Brooke a lever or something like that but you know your number plate. Damn Yeah congratulations thank you. Yeah you'll take it. I'm taking it to like well. We'll see I'm I'M GONNA Probably Call Todd and get his reaction to your three p. He'll probably throw some sort of wicked I think you should get to spank his naked butter. Somethin' you get to pick. That might not be what. You're yeah but usually get good at something. Yeah next time we talk. We'll we'll come up with something. Got Any words of wisdom for the spinner. Ryerson out there in the in the world since you know it's normally the trio should give them a shout out Alexander. Yeah there's a there's a house right. There's a house right on the trail right somewhere like I'm always trying to get him to move out by me because then I'd have somebody to ride with. I've been going to Manuka and then someone would know about your secret trail dude it's on Google maps now at least someday you're not going out there and escorted all right. Well you know you we could. We could be legance together and you can see if you can match my straw prowess on the drought of stagnant out there there. I think there's to me there's two or three shot Saudi or no doubt girl and you're the only person that the person I can find the place. I don't think I have came out but I just go for. Pr's I wrote it Manuka the other day you go. Oh Yeah Day but yeah I don't have any of those I saw me guy looking out and it's like clean you king the day to day. I like Operas Jazz. Never it'll never the day compete with Ice Queen. But I I wrote their day the other afternoon. Really Nice sugar snow. That had been groomed. Today's before that had been ridden in like seven. Pr's that's a place where. Oh Wow probably written there are six times and to get a PR on the fat by five inch tires. One hundred original. You've got some. You've got some conditions going there but my fitness at that point. Yeah so well. Nobody nobody out there. Hey thanks for calling in hop on the bike before Dare girl calling on the three peat. You Rack Bank. Goma by guys saw heard you need a fuck bike Illinois. We evolve brands surly on more. We gear by four to five north. Funster guy being nice and toasty fix bikes. Also problem breaks. Here's suspension investment jennings so yeah visit dot com. You're tuned into fat bike fat radio radio. We have todd coquette director of adventure of the nine zero six adventure team on the phone. Well his show Tad Green. You know that yes indeed so the subject to the day here is Leeann. Schneeberger's three peat. What do you think they get pretty damn impressive when you consider the Bull Shit that we That we served her last year. Yeah last year. It was was a unique. Well I think she you know. I can't remember how much she walked but I don't think she walked a lot of the last year because she was one of the first people through but ended up in the Front for sure but for many. It wasn't picture it. It was well for twenty percent. It was the other eighty and quit. Yeah Yeah it was the show where Leo is like. Give me crap because they just said you. You wasn't just because you're so light. Yeah endured you know. And wattage in the eighty eighty to ninety percent level for four hours. Now I mean honestly you know a tip of the hat layup for the three peat. I don't know that we've had anybody Man or woman three pizzas in the history of the event until she did it show. She's like the Michael Jordan of basic defy seven or something like that. It's really interesting because it does show you know. This is this event. It's so unpredictable. What you're going to face each year. I think that for a lot of people. Sometimes you know they're afraid to register for it just keeps coming back. She says she loves it which I don't know if that's really true but I think she really likes going there to train as well kind of came out in our interview is that she goes up there quite often and she knows the trails and she loves the framing cluster. So it's it's you know. Generation Heart can't be beat in the Chicago. The there's my theory anyway. In the Fed burkey on those Schwab Magan trails. Generale heart knows those big parabolic hills better than anybody else. And she's got it dialed. She knows when to turn it on. Wendover when to you. Know when Wendy us up the river reserves and when to keep the reserves right so is huge for sure. Yeah and all becomes that mental part of the game. Which is what. You're an expert at crushing. Hey you know actually to give her some props here and I can tie a little bit to what we're trying to teach the kids you know. She does. Come up your rides a lot. So she definitely developed miliary with the area but the trail and she and again. She's been a lot of assure. Everybody the pictures plastered all over facebook Of Her on the podium. Or they're going to hear new interview in her talking about podium but Ogden what gets overlooked and we stress. This with kids is all of the time that it took you know along the journey to put her on that. Buchan podium in because she comes up. Here's you put them. The time rides these hard ass trails and trains for was he shows up there. Raise them. She's ready right. You've you you invest in your own luck or in your own good fortune. Or you're in your own achievement. By spending the time doing the RECON I mean she. She talked about how Shed new support crew percen She went out with with him and made him drop a pin on his on his smartphone or on his nap system or whatever what whatever they were using hopefully works up there but because of the cold temperatures and bottles only lasting and thirty thirty five minutes in single digits. So shedded all dialed out. So that's that's that's a good. That's a good thing to know and learn and that comes from experience. I mean she didn't win that race the first time she raced it this probably like the fifth time she's race it and now try you know. Here's the challenges. Somebody go out there and Peter in the sprint. You'd be be very interesting. The preparation charge about water. Freezing this year the finish line I was there all day. Basically the first racer until last night was the number one. That was the number one thing that we heard from every race. There was no drinking. Water bottle was rose. Fifteen minutes in the event that went over water or until they got these Asian Nats y you know our old colored guy on on the show that lay a is on on our podcast network here spinner. Ryerson always says you just put a little vodka in each those bottles and they won't freeze yeah. I heard that I prefer whatever. Yeah all right that would be That would be one way to go and well cool killing just killing it man. You're killing it proud of her happy for all right. Well we have you on the phone. Who who won the men's and what's their story. Could they bracewell Coal House One man? Oh right on. Yeah so call and Corey still. Just I think it's corey right. Yep Yep And then Wade came in and your weight Lee. Actually first thing he said was he didn't have enough food and water froze man. You know. Go to that. We've had random. We interviewed all three of those cats. So Oh really Pete's garage I think that's That's cool houses sponsor. Csl just be neff cycle service. Jordan I think is recent for fat. Dak this year. I think you're right. Those guys all three lived up here. Cole has won it before. Jordan has one before so they know that the last one it actually was a year. We did it point to point twenty eighteen and basically the same course again this year. How did it come down to a sprint? With those they came in and they were Separa- well coal is found a way to To get Corey a couple of times this last season this year In in the Burki Chris Stevenson and Corey style. Gis who will win or who are will or will call or somebody else even up here. He was here to. Oh Yeah. He's won the Burki before right. Yup Two years ago. Corey won it last year. Those are the guys that that they're I think they're the guys to beat. The you know the the true small frame and they trained scientifically and eat scientifically and Really good runners too so running. I I'll never understand anybody that runs from the wall. That's surprises me to hear from you. Todd I thought you were old. Hasher from From the eighties man but no open the ninety s and it was running the sheriff. Go Yup running on your mobile. We don't need to get into those files. Laura we'll leave it there Thanks for joining us on the show. And what your next. What's your next event? What are you? What do you want to like the tonight? Show where you to come out and pimp your next movie too. Well the the the next big thing honestly lime sheen registration and all the HOOPLA. Revenge by club up here in the. Up oneidas though. We're gearing up for that. The Kid Maximum spent the entire day today. That's why I didn't call you sorry you know getting that ready enrolling and we're doing a adventure stomach This spring again this year. We're going to let about fifty people get in. That are not leno take coaches they WANNA come up and learn what we do and then hopefully bring it back to their communities awesome and Then the next big events going to beat the crusher up in up in July I know a couple of our product. Testers do those races so I would be when you retire from the From the big thing and you have the cutler out there and we can ride sure you take care. Take Care Your team to Laredo radio. Hey in our next little segment about three feet. We have George Cabinets of the broken spoke. Cycling STUDIO PROBABLY MESSED UP. That name did George Close enough like Hugo had said. Welcome to our program. How's it going pretty good pets nice? Yeah so what do you think about Laya? Three repeating the polar role. That's pretty amazing. I really amazing. It's it's pretty cool to see because You know her and I go back and forth prior to the polar role at all the different races and It's good competition and usually. I'm a little bit stronger. The beginning of the season and then I don't know I think it's like polar all switch and he goes that usually leaves me in the dust every time that's amazing. I remember you mentioning. Laya before she won the the Burki You said you know there's this there's this woman on our team she is going to win everything and you told me later. Schneeberger isn't name. You don't forget when she crossed the line. I was like Dan. That's the woman that George told me about. And that's when land I met at at when she won the Burki so awesome and of course you spend on the show and Co hosted the Dosa fat for probably the two and a half years since then this year she Rebuilt her wheel. Set Right. You guys put together that Spaghetti Strap. We'll set for her. Yeah that's right shoe strings. I'm tied to folks type of rooms and exactly it. That's amazing yeah. Yeah Yeah have yet to see. See The new wheel set or field. Just how much? How much does it wait? Does that save quite a bit I know my personal wheel set along with others. They're probably right in that fifteen hundred merill. Wow which I mean just comparable Like a carbon head traditional double but it's folk like industry nine heard you're looking at about. Eighteen hundred grams could cut. You know almost three hundred games away to pretty significant that rotating way that's ever important. Yeah looks cool too. It's different. So how was your polar role? How did you did not so hot I pulled out at mile. Twenty five out struggling with flats all day at the start of the race. I didn't forget. Check mayor pressure fairly me. Put My bike at the start line. Didn't check in or a minute from the star went up feeling like I can't get out of the chute now. Let's this role and I'll pump sometime out there on the Lido. I think it probably Burp the little bit. And finally when I could stop in pumping up I think I might have cracked the bead so it was just a struggle all day. Yeah leaker that's that's that's a tough thing overcome. Yeah only if you only knew good bike shop. Just kidding right. Yeah Oh it happened so did you. Did you go to the Fateh Tude this last weekend I did was that was pretty cool You know I I I usually when it comes to fat bike racing you just gotta you gotTa ride. What what they're you know. So conditions are mashed potatoes. You just you ride on you make the best of it and When we got there there was a little demo loop end right away. We just think were like. Oh this is going to be a slug But you know surprisingly wasn't horrible. I mean it seemed like common like fifteen fifty foot sections of mashed potatoes. But like you would just have to lay down the hammer and if you could handle that then it would be like a nice stretch of snow consistency of that entire race and every time you could push through when you were definitely winning the race cool I was Gonna go but then I would look at the conditions and I was like do. I go ride mashed potatoes with you know because I thought the way it would be would be your best lap would be the practice lap. The pre ride. And then once you got on the racecourse it was just GonNa be foo bar from everybody riding through it you know. After that first lap it was just going to be a it actually got a little bit just because it got warmer and some moisture out in the snow and I think it just back down a little bit more But it's still it's definitely blown out You know the thing that hurt him the most goes. There was like thirty miles. An hour winds is open of course still just drifted everywhere so instead I went and rode right after sunrise when it was still hard froze in on beautiful groomed. Cam Rock and who was. This was pretty awesome. Yeah Yeah there's some good riding around especially right now with the temps kind Rising and falling What I just wouldn't kick. Everything was super hard packed and getting get it going in the morning. We're going to get We're going to get a re- freeze here and I'm GonNa put the studs back on but I'm getting ready to go to Alaska. I'm sending my carbon bike up to Alaska and I'll be riding sweaty. Yeti this weekend on my yeah on Otis my purple aluminum fat back bike. So Yeah you've riders are going to be up there. Fortunately I'M NOT GONNA make it up We are sponsoring a prize. Pack it. So you're GONNA enforce I can't make it up cool. Well you know you miss your chance to beat me again. Oh yeah good opportunity. Next year we got some Some good things in store for these countries. Do venues that yeah. We're pretty excited ready for next year do did you see the line of riders to go down. Alpine valleys downhill race. Yeah I did. That was awesome. You know smart guy like yourself would look at that picture and say I've found her. If we could get Kiana to do it. Or you know there. There has to be a skill up there. That would be like. Yeah we could do that for sure. Or maybe like Marquette d'oro or something like that although they had some of those in the past I don't think they really stuck with it and get it rolling but yeah Something to Kinda downhill and that like looks amazing. You know what I look at that picture and say I say after. They closed the hill skiers somewhere around April. Fools day I see mud wrestling downhill jumps. Skim Pool Aquinas beer. Yeah I think they see Dot Com ray or shenanigans and in the future for sure. Yeah I'm I mean. That's what got me hooked. Yeah for sure may enter drill sergeant that day goods But anyway thanks for coming on. You need the need final thoughts for for Lia need. There'd be going into the Burki really strong three hour heart efforts this weekend What do you think she fitness going into Burke again so Hopefully she can crack that top spot right on LAC LA. I'll see you this weekend and I won't see you this weekend but you know there's always the chance that I come walk through that door of your buckshot anytime don't you with a broken bike in my hand. You fix this thing all right. Do you have a good way? Thanks Tuesday Hey. We forgot so all right. Let's say right on your team. Too Fat Lake Family Leo Radio Today. We're lucky we have Andy Meyer. He's the repository of knowledge. It heads cycling products. Welcome to the show me. Go thank you very much. Thanks for what? Make them on again. Yeah you know any any came into town and we put on lab coats and did a An episode of Fat by TV about wheels. Back probably around two thousand sixteen or so and good fun and we got to ride. We had to write a cool cake bike and talk about wheels and I have forever for about five. Six Years. Been writing when he the og sets of the hundred millimeter head wheels. And those things I tell you Andy before we get into Laos three Pete. I just have to say I feel like with Ben Ryan the Johnny Fives Five Psi or lower on some even groomed and on groomed. And I feel like I've found a secret weapon of fat biking. Well it's not a secret anymore. I feel like I haven't unfair. Advantages like just go anywhere. I know people get so scared of wider him but I agree go anywhere. And there's no way penalty or anything. Exactly he's giant truck tires on my bike and it still feather late and instant acceleration and an johnny five has some really super good hookup on the traction traction sweet chuminess as we like to say. But let's let's let that be the preface of our story because the focus of our discussion today is about Les Schwab Burgers three peat at the polar raw. She's a longtime head wheel aficionado. Yeah we have to say about that. Well I gotta be honest. I can't say I've ever met her but man she is fast and I mean three times in a row for anything. That's really impressive. I'm not gonNA claim very much responsibility. I'm glad she's reading her wheel She must be doing because she likes them. You should you you should meet. She's she's a card man She's she's a regular on our show is and Oh my God. Yeah was what a what a uniquely humorous and self deprecating and. She's like she's kind of an independent out there for the last few years. She's had the big forty five north team. They had like five women once like that and she always does really well so has been has won the Berkey and so way to support you know super cool fast writers like that and Schlub like myself It's right so sure. Gomez you WANNA hellish lab but Anyway well it's cool that you guys That you guys are making these awesome wheels right there. In Minnesota the single wall carbon fat bike wheel. But can we talk gravel wheels for a second or shouldn't say growing wheels? I WANNA say plus bike wheels because we've been having or adventure bike wheels because I have a surly campus. That has so. It's it's a discussion that we've been having with Adam Blake and there's this Catholic calls himself bike nerd that wrote an editorial about how plus bikes the forty five millimeter. Inner Dimension Rim is too wide for three point zero or even he likes to point eight to two point. Six is where he thinks sweet spot is and he thinks thirty millimeter to thirty five millimeter. Inner dimension got any thoughts on any and all of that I yeah. They're not really. They had informed but I will tell you what now so we do. Have we do have a forty five. Now we have a forty millimeter. Enter the rafter and I love it. Thereafter I love it. I love to ride it. I think of it the same way that I do want to just talk about why that Bikram For for the for the way I ride which is not so much racy more adventurous more. You know push yourself. You're you're going against yourself you're in your cohort but I'm I'm way past the time when I ever competitors contend for a podium and I never did have a mountain bike ever. It was rote stuff. Maybe for that kind of stuff. I love that forty five now. That being said I haven't tried thirty but I can't imagine how it would be. I can't imagine how it would be much better. Expect the tire to squirm around more and to to not be as sure footed. You not expect that that kind of Gut clench Mama once in a while where you're where you're tired rolled out from underneath not off the rim but just rolled out from underneath you. If you're running something down thirty millimeter rim with a two point eight tire. That's what I would expect law right. Well we'RE GONNA be. We're here let me try to set a new rims on my on my cramps and I'm going to go to. I'm thinking thirty five because I understood a two point five extra surly extraterrestrial tires and a pair of sugar two point eight inch these are both twenty nine or tervell. Coronado's it's just that's an awesome tire for and this is for doing extended touring on road and gravel and mixing in Mountain. Biking on those Coronado's. That's you can do everything on that so So think about that that area of I am curious and one of the things about the a lot of stuff. We may cause the you know if you're choosing a narrower rim because it's going to be lighter and you're going to be more sippy that's that's very valid. It's GonNa work but if you've already got a really stout carbon rim the dunaway. That much I I still believe that up to a point. Wider is going to be better. It's going to support your tire better. And you're not gonNA downside to it if you want to forty five you know. Yeah I think you feel a lot. You're adding a lot of weight in that case I'm curious what you find out all right and maybe we need to compare that to six fifty b raptors. That would be an interesting comparison to be to take the weight out of that. Forty five or or forty millimeter rim would be an interesting comparison anyway. Thank you for calling into the show and giving us your You know just a just one page. That was just one page. A couple of paragraphs of the repository of knowledge in the in the wheel is Andy. Ted Prior Actor Man. Throw some applause in here Studio Audience. Type down out there. Studio Audience Handy by check is on on Instagram ads. Mama's Douglas muted names.

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