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Leslie Jamison on Jenny Offills Weather

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Leslie Jamison on Jenny Offills Weather

"Why are critics and readers? So drawn to Jennie O.. Feels Fiction Leslie. Jameson Amos 'n will join us to talk about new novel weather. And what makes her work. So distinctive what does it take to survive as a first time author Courtney. Mom will join us to talk about before and after the book deal a writer Sky Finishing publishing promoting and surviving your first book Alexander Alexander Alter will give us an update from the publishing world. Plus we'll talk about what we and the wider world of reading. It's Friday February seventh. And this is the Book Review Podcast for The New York Times. I'm Pamela Paul Leslie Jamison is here in the studio. Her most recent book is make it screen and make it burn essays which was reviewed in the book review last fall all but she's here now to talk about another book. She reviewed this week on our cover. Jennie O. Foles Weather Leslie. Thanks for being here. It's so wonderful to be here so you. Let's first talk about Jenny full. Who she is? Pearl Siegel staff critic for the Times. Were a profile of Jennie O.. Full in this this week's issue of the New York Times magazine but give us a sense of who this writer is. When I think about Daniel's work and why it matters and why I think it's really created aided the sense of excitement around so many readers I think part of it you know she writes about motherhood and marriage and things that can get lumped under the general neural umbrella term domesticity but she brings them to life in these incredibly razor-sharp ways and there shouldn't even be a but conjunction to that sentence right like wire wire those states of being not razor-sharp somehow but but sometimes they can get seen as softer sentimental and she brings both very different form and a very different tone to how how she writes about them and how she does justice to their emotional extremity? Now I'm thinking that we have to make a challenge to ourselves not to use the word but for the rest of this partnership. I think there we go that we're are GONNA fail so we'll just we'll we'll put that aside. This book weather is her third novel her. I was last things and then it took her fifteen years to write. Her neck spoke department of speculation which came out in two thousand fourteen and was one of our ten best books of the year. And I feel like that book really brought her to you. A wider attention perhaps not bestseller list attention but it was hugely critically acclaimed and beloved by readers. Let's start talk a little a bit about that book and why it struck such a chord and I think it's no accident when you said it was like fifteen years until the next book which actually sort of part of the plot of Department of speculation too. It's like there's a writer who is taking a long time to put her second novel. Part of I think you know my understanding from interviews. She's done. The story of that book has that it started as a much more conventionally structured novel and it sort of took her a long time to whittle it down to its really searing form which is a very a fragmented form where you feel like you're getting these absolutely essential bursts of exerience. I think her agent described at once as more like an x Ray than a body which I thought was such such an amazing evocation of how it works and so part of why it caught. Hold I think is that it wasn't it wasn't just very smart about feeling and it had this strong long hard and it's about a infidelity and marriage sort of preparing itself but it also it seemed to find a new language for feeling a new structure for feeling the guy I want to go back to that the fragments Manson the structure for people who've not Reggiani Oval. We should say this. Her books are really short. They're really really short but they are packed and yet they don't feel dense and part of that is due to structure and you use the word fragments. People use the word fragments or fragmentary or cones. Let's talk about a house. She structures these books because it is especially when department speculation came out in two thousand fourteen. It felt very different from what was being written and it felt very very different from the way in which a domestic novel was being written. You know it makes me think a little bit about the way that like Virginia Woolf would describe moments of being you know that somehow we have these moments where it feels like something about experience is intensified or crystallized on. I think Jenny has a real knack for like putting her finger on the pulse of those moment. So maybe it's just an ordinary moment like in this latest novel. where she comes home from the her narrator comes home from feeling this intense panic about climate aamot change and her sons playing minecraft noon? SORTA get like putty off of his fingers. Like it's not in a dramatic sense like it's that's not a huge plot point happening in that moment but she manages manages to find these ways that seemingly insignificant moments if you if you describe them so precisely and locate some kind of feeling what's happening in them quivering inside them. She does justice to it and the way that her books are structured. I don't think there are like us in this weather. There are parts. I can't remember if in Department of Speculation Stephen divided into chapters but it's these single paragraphs are a few paragraphs spaced apart on the page. So not not only. Is it a small book but it actually. I mean you could theoretically sit down and read it in a couple of hours I did. You did theory. You could sit down down and read it very quickly and one of the things that I think people then mistakenly assume is that. Oh you know sort of hastily written you get the cents though once you are reading it that not at all does feel something. That is very much labored over almost like poetry in terms of the precision of the ways in which the things that she's putting into those little sections as you pointed out it's often about the contrast in a given moment between something very granular and domestic and personal and then some larger thought. That's going on or something happening in the greater world. Do you think that was what was is so striking about department of speculation. The fact that she was doing not that she was taking something like a domestic novel. That was you know. Just as you said kind of a story of a Brooklyn Glenn Mother and infidelity and work life balance and these things that so many books are about but infusing in it these larger the issues. I think that's a really good point that so often. What makes these like short bursts? CLO- fuel incandescent our field. Charged is is that they're very granular. But they're also holding some kind of emotional intensity and I think when you're writing about something like infidelity where there's both the danger of somehow telling a story that people feel like they've heard before story that feels intrinsically melodramatic. It can really bring out the humanity of the story to pay attention to the granularity of of like a one scene. That's rising to mind from that novel is like the narrator after a conflict with her husband going to stay at a hotel overnight and and like preying on the carpet of the hotel floor. But it's like it's like that hotel carpeting that holds so much feeling rather than just like the larger obstruction of of infidelity per se. Or something and so I think it is that scale shifting that can happen in a space of a paragraph. Can that happen across the course the whole book. That's also really operative in this latest book. where the skills or even bigger because among other things about climate change is like one of the biggest skills yes yes yeah? Let's talk about weather and let's start start with what it's about even though you know as we think people are probably sensing when you talk about Jenny ovals work. It really isn't about plot. Yeah but what is whether yeah so the narrator of weather is a mother who years ago dropped out of a PhD program and it's working as university librarian and she takes a job job working for her former mentor. Who does a podcast about climate change? where she's answering all the letters that are coming in response to this podcast so there are a few different? There's the kind of plot of her I went to the overhauls narrator to answer my letters to this cast. I'm just kidding. I love answering your letters I would be. I thought you were GonNa even save answer my letters I was like I have a few letters. Live right Yeah I mean you know you have this narrators mother you have her as a wife wife you have her as a a worker and maybe a worker who feels a bit lost in the world. There's also for me. One of the most compelling plot lines in the book is about the narrators relationship with her brother. WHO's a recovering addict? He gets married and then has a a baby and her role in his life and her sort of desperate hope that he can put his life together. Other was a really moving strand among strands for me as well presumably. That's very deliberate. Bringing new life into a world that is in crisis crisis and feels like it's ending and I think that's one of the abiding emotional. Tensions in the book is like the the world is always beginning and ending at once. And maybe maybe there's something about that truism that has felt universal through time but it has a particular acuity now or the world is is it's ending he's send away by these factors that are at work but that dynamic of like yes the world is ending but also you wake up in the morning and you're touching base with your brother overtaxed to make sure he and the baby are doing okay that both of those are real on. Both of those are happening. I think we're seeing a wave of climate fiction and it's taking all of these different forms. Probably a most noticeably post apocalyptic and dystopia although there are also books like Richard powerhouses over story sometimes metaphorical Oracle sometimes very reality based feels different. Though I mean how does this differ from other fiction looking at climate and climate. Change for starters. You don't have that kind of like emotional. Buffer of the post apocalyptic landscape that emotional buffer mailing a strange way to describe a postal puck landscape. But it's like if the apocalypse is happening thing in Brooklyn Public School like that's the stage set for the book it feels more disquieting in certain ways because it's closer to home. It's not like Cormac McCarthy novel where a father and Zahn are like traveling the chart landscape like it's more immediate in that way and I think one of the challenges of writing about climate change is how to take this thing that is essentially on a larger scale than our minds can hold and how to make it a narrative we can hold. There's this moment early on in weather where the narrator is thinking about her son allies elementary school and she says the problem with the school is that it's not a bill on a human scale feels too large for these little children who are going into it and I I think in a way that lays out one of the aesthetic challenges the book right. It's like climate. Change isn't quite on a human scale but narrative is on a human scale. So how do you translate. How does she do it? Part of it has to do with what we're talking about a little bit earlier these questions of sort of scale shifting and simultaneity where you had these big questions of like the end of the world coming up either through the letters that are coming into this podcast or you know this narrator is doing what I think. We all do obsessive googling about lots of things where she's sort. I'm trying to see like how hot is it going to be in New York City and you know when her son is sixty years old or something like that and getting so freaked out by these numbers so you sort of have those larger questions that are always coming up against the interpersonal. TRAUMAS the books. So either it's like the obstruction of like how hot is the World GonNA get comes up up against the body of her actual son. She's imagining at age. Sixty or thinking about like the horsemen of the apocalypse. Coming in comes up against you know coming home ends ends giving the dog. His Lover Frog Toy. You know so the becomes on a human scale because we see a particular human with a particular life a particular brother who's giving bringing new life into the world that all of those abstract questions are hitting all of those granular particulars. Would you see. The central question is really you know. How do you tend to your own garden while the world is burning there are definitely some references to voltaire and candied here? And but I think ultimately. It's like how do you look outward from your own Garden Garden. Maybe how do you tend your garden and not stay completely trapped in your own garden while the world is burning. And how do you love burning world. How can you have love for the things of this world and the relationships at this world and try to hold onto the reality that's in this deep peril? This new book weather compare for you you with her with her second book department speculation like so many people I had a really compassionate visceral relationship with Department of speculation and and I think whether it didn't make me feel as intensely as department of speculation did but I was utterly compelled by it and Like I said I read it in a single sitting Felt like really odd by it on so many levels and I think in a way the the fact that it didn't have quite the same visceral emotional impact act with a kind of testimony to the ambition of what it was trying to do too. You know climate change. In a way it's harder to feel about an infidelity because it's not essentially an interpersonal for personal drama. So it made sense to me in a certain on a certain level that this novel with hitting almost a different sense of nerve endings and maybe a slightly less super percents the ties sensitive nerve endings one but there were also a lot of continuities between the two books for me in terms of this very close subtle attention to the ways that people are you know inhabiting many identity roles at once feeling intense amounts of like conflict ambivalence at once. Also this I think John Lewis good at describing where you you can be really deep inside your own pain and then have some moment where something cracks open you become. I'm suddenly aware of the pain of another person which is such a kind of core human reality I think to try to evoke and she. She finds really great ways voting. It I wonder about readers coming coming to Jennie O.. Feels work with this novel for the first time maybe not having read department of speculation even though there were only six years between the two novels in that period I feel like there were many Jenny Oval esque books and kind of imitations of her style that it might strike people as less distinctive and extraordinary in coming to this book and one of the things I find about her style that feels very contemporary to me is that it's almost the perfect style for distracted world because of the way it is fragmentary. Sorry that it does require attention. Obviously in the more attention you pay the more you notice what she's doing but it is extremely easily digestible either. Interesting way that people have spoken and written written about the fragmentary form in relation to contemporary distraction or even in relation to motherhood of this idea of like what can be written bursts or when you only have small fragments of time but I think I often have a slightly different response to it. which is that as you were saying earlier? I don't think of this essay prose that could be written during nap time. Or like written during small gaps of experience like it feels it feels like part of this like pretty cohesive and intricate vision and and maybe the correlative to that in a reading experience. I find that when I read it I actually do want to have a really immersive experience with it. Even though theoretically it would be easier to read these little units like on a subway subway stop and then like hit the office and have two minutes before I have to get started but it actually it. It makes me want to create the kind of reading experience that I think actually is harder to create these days. I saw an image. I think it's in the Times magazine Profile of Jennie O.. Fell but I saw this online of her bulletin. I'm bored like one of them. Are Sort of working visuals that I that I guess is it must be in her Home Office. And it's this kind of incredible board with these little teeny strips of paper or of type that she's printed out and you really get a sense of per process and and the fact that it is very deliberate and it's not as you say hastily typed out you know breastfeeding or anything like that. That sounds like a remarkable I mentioned. I'm always obsessed with seeing. Let's feels like you're looking inside. Somebody's brain took about X-ray is like you're getting to see the whole internal landscape when you see their process board due process board. I have like no space. I'd have no idea where I wouldn't even put a process for it makes me feel better my top my toddler would probably REC process for it. As soon as it came into being but I was thinking about one thing that you said about how in years between department of speculation and this novel maybe there have been a lot of or more novels that are working in this mode and the mode that she pioneer. That's a little bit more fragmentary. I'm not thinking of particular examples here but I think one thing that I found to be true but the fragmentary form is that it's it's can be deceptive like you feel like oh I could do that all right actually so hard to get it right and so in a way. It's pretty. It's a pretty hard for them to imitate. Because you have to figure out and trust trust and have a lot of confidence. I think that precisely. These strokes are going to do the work you need them to do. And when it just feels sort sort of thin more anemic rather than somehow simultaneously like lean and powerful. You are not here to talk about your last essay collection to make it scream. It make it burn you. We're here for the empathy exams so listeners can go back and find that episode. What are you working on now? Are you working on another essay collection. I I just started thinking about and working on a book of nonfiction that is actually operating right. After I said these things about the fragmentary. It'd being a hard mode to get right. That is operating in a fragmentary mode. And it's thinking about some of the questions in this book about Simultaneity. And so it's thinking about Motherhood Hood and the first two years of my daughter's life and motherhood and art and motherhood and various kinds of life rupture and sort of how to hold old joy and pain at once which is a way of thinking about the beginning in the ending of the world's existing in a single moment but you know in a way it's it feels feels in conversation with books like Elizabeth Hardwick Sleepless Nights. Then we're not Adler speedboat but also in certain ways with Geno full and monkey Nelson and some of these contemporary bray writers who are working with wittling think in really compelling ways. They won't torture you by asking any more detailed questions. What you're working on 'cause they know how terrible that can be you? You will hopefully be back here as a guest when that book comes out. That would be lovely. It's great to be here today and to see you again Pamela as always such a pleasure to have you leslie. Jameson is the author of four bucks. Make it scream. Make It burn essays the empathy exam also essays the GIN closet a novel and the recovering a memoir this this week in the book reviews. She reviews on our cover. Whether a novel by Jennie O.. Full blown so here's a request for our listeners. I get lots of feedback from you. Some complaints lots of kind words really appreciate appreciate it you can always reach me directly at books at NY TIMES DOT Com. I will write back but you can. Also if you feel moved to do so review us on any platform from where you download the podcast. Whether that's tunes or Stitcher or glue play or somewhere else. Please feel free to review us and of course email us at any time Alexander Alter joins us now with some news from the publishing world hailing Sandra Abela. What's new so we have some good bookstore news and some bad news? What would you like to start with? Let's start with the BADS. Okay and they're connected so as we've talked about on the podcast before their husband this recent and encouraging urging development in the retail book market where independence have been recovering largely and their numbers are growing. But it's still really tough market for independent bookstores in in Manhattan. Rents are just so high and a lot of stores have been under pressure and as people might have heard a beloved independent store called Book Culture which is on the the upper west side went out of business this year city marshals actually took control of it. They hadn't paid their rent in a while row in. It's like they show up at the door run by guests so yeah it sounds dramatic. No it wasn't like an early morning raid can FBI stifling give us your poll. Yeah but they apparently gently they owed more than one hundred thousand dollars in rent. They put out calls for donations things but it wasn't enough so that closed in of course everyone was devastated. It's terrible when you lose your neighborhood. Independent and then there was some exciting news related to that so this week the strand announce that they are going to be opening satellite store in the former space. Ace occupied by book culture and the Strand is a legendary independent storer. They're known for just the vast selection they have new books and used books. And you you can get lost in their store for hours and hours just going through the racks and seeing what they have so the announcement came in. Of course people were delighted that you know no. This wasn't gonNA be turned into another nameless retail store but rather a bookstore that has a ton of character and is famous for its sales staff. They're extremely only knowledgeable. You have to take a pretty tough test to get to work there. Have you ever taken that test to know. Have you know but I feel like we should. I mean I'd be curious I would pass so. This was a statement from the strand owner. Nancy Bass widen and she said we aim to continue the legacy of my father and his father before him by bringing the joy of books. Everyone so okay a few question. Yes this Strand on eleven street in Manhattan. I think it's like eleven thousand square feet of books axes part of their tasks. It's many square feet is the space. Yeah this is certainly not going to be as expensive as their original location. I think the coordinators reports this space is four thousand square feet much smaller than than their central store but they are going to be hosting a lot of events as they do downtown. And I think it's just nice for the literary community on the West side to have another outlet as a former upper west side or have many many laments questions neighborhood and why hi can sustain a great bagel store and shocking it is shocking and this bookstore space you know used to be. I think before it was book culture. It was Endicott Endicott books. There have been a number of bookstores have closed on the upper west side. It feels like it makes sense. It seems like something deserves to survive there. I mean there are still a few stores or is on the upper west side bookstores. But let's hope the strand succeeds. Yes I mean I think it has such a strong reputation. I could see people commuting to the start neighborhoods is certainly planned to go. Check it out when it opens alright. There's another big bookstore story this week. Yes this week. Barnes and noble generated some news and attention and did not not necessarily in a positive way. The store announced that they had this project called diverse additions that they were using to raise awareness and discussion about diversity during black history month but the project was seen as somewhat ill conceived by a lot of readers who voiced their concerns on social media. The basic premise was that they were partnering with Penguin Random House and used artificial intelligence to look through one hundred classic books and if there wasn't an explicit reference to the characters race they ah selected those books and they created covers for those books that featured diverse characters. You know this was. I think conceived as an effort to sort of promote coach diversity and literature but the biggest and loudest critique was well why not than just promote books by authors of Color that feature characters of color instead of trying to sort of retro fit the cannon so that project was very quickly abandoned. It was supposed to start on Wednesday February fifth with an event at Barnes and noble but but Barnes and noble decided to cancel it Ari aside note here perhaps but I also want to say I'm very leery of using artificial intelligence to analyze allies these books because moby Dick Romeo and Juliet Mummy Jaime de Moby Dick starts with In the first scene and he is definitely not wight. It just seemed like really weird thing yet who have a computer program determine which books didn't have have characters of color in them. I just don't know or that. Just because they didn't specify that it wasn't clear given the cultural and the social political context of those stories. Yes exactly I think that was another point of criticism. Oh you know you're you're talking about classic literature the Secret Garden Romeo and Juliet Moby Dick Another and why use artificial intelligence and I think I think because the company responded funded pretty swiftly do concerns and criticism. This isn't a controversy that has legs like other recent ones that we've seen in the literary world one nice thing when it comes. Oh you classics and something. That Penguin Random House has been really great with is issuing a number of books by writers of color some of them long out imprint. Some of them never published through. Its penguin classics line. And they're in a number of those this year including just this month Claude McKay's novel romance in Marseille which was a novel of the Harlem Renaissance that took eighty seven years to finally come out but was published as a Penguin Cossack. That's that's such a fascinating story. I love stories like that where there's some kind of ignored or overlooked long dead project that suddenly people read in a New Light and gets its day. It's a shame that took so long but now well let's hope many readers discover that book and others like get things Alexander Pamela Courtney. MOM JOINS US now. Her new book is called before. And and after the book deal a writer's Guide to finishing publishing promoting and surviving. Your First Buck Courtney. Thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled this is not your first book. It's your fourth fourth book. What inspired you to write this book? I think it started when my first book came out a novel called. I'm having so much fun here without you. A great title thank. You had to fight for that because it's pretty long but I looked around me and I realized that you know we're in a culture where there's a lot of books and MFA programs and Summer Summer Conferences that teach you how to write and learn to revise well enough to get a book deal but the minute you realize your dream and you you actually do get a book deal. There's nothing there's not a lot of resources there's certainly no books about it and the conversations that you do have are a little loaded it Ki- you can't really complain. It's hard to voice your fears so I I wanted to put something out there for people who who are navigating this immense privilege that nevertheless leaves you pretty Ron Vulnerable. What was the scariest thing for you after you wrote Your First Book You've written three novels so after that first book? I think the scariest thing for me was that my ego got in my way. My first book was an unexpected success. So my agent said let's try to to sell the second. I came up with an idea pretty quickly and I simply didn't give myself enough time. I have been I would say identify as a writer all my life. I'm pretty a quick. I work as a copywriter. Meet deadlines so I gave myself only a year to get that book in and for me I thought I mean I felt like I was on the top of the world. I had really supportive editor. Lots of great reviews but that does not leave me enough time to to falter to do. The writing process is to write the first draft for myself mess up revise a year only allows you to to knock it out of the park and get it right and I'm a very type A virgo. I missed my deadline. This was was like a really big deal for me so I think the hardest thing was realizing even if your book does well or it doesn't it doesn't matter you're you're supposed to write another one right right. I think that is very hard. People think I got the book deal so I'm done and don't realize that most books there are exceptions and it's very exciting for those people but most books don't sustain you for the rest of your life they absolutely don't sustain you and you know also the people who get I'm not talking about the million dollar book deals but you know solid book deals. I'm a hundred thousand one hundred twenty thousand dollars. Those payments usually usually come in four times over two years and if the book doesn't perform well that's it. They're wonderful things that can happen. It can be optioned. Translations can sell. But you know you are entering the system where you're supposed to keep putting product out and that transition from it being a sort of secret art a passion to actual the profession is another reason. I wanted to write this book because it doesn't get talked about a lot. Yeah I mean even that advanced notion I feel like people outside the book world and even to extent first time authors authors. You hear something like six figure advance. They don't realize when you break down even a very nice six figure advance. Let's say a five hundred thousand dollar advance. You're going to break it down as you said in two three or four payments now tradition is four with part of it coming on signing so. Let's say it's over three year period. Let's say you write your book in a year. Which again and as you point out? It's a pretty quick turnaround. You get in a five hundred thousand dollar advance. Let's say it's even to payments and that's not gonNA happen because usually right it's like you you've you you deliver one hundred pages you get a quarter you turn in your full manuscript. You get another corner on publication you get that third quarter and then now paperback often you get the fourth quarter so K.. We'd let's let's divide it into one hundred twenty five thousand dollars over the course of three years not a lot of money when you consider that. It's it pay your taxes so that takes almost half of it you're paying the age eighteen percent and so what you have dependence and everyone's life is very difficult for some people like out where where I live that. That would go very far that amount of money. If you're living in Manhattan you have three kids. Maybe not so much but you something else I wanted to talk about in this book. Doc are the people that get five thousand dollars but right right people who get a box of books and a beer as a book too. And I'm not making fun this this with microprocessors. That's what you're looking at five hundred dollars box of books and I really wanted to speak to the Tony Doors Roxanne gays and also the people who are publishing with these microprocessors to get a look at the the type of writer lives that we don't we don't read about in the profiles. We don't hear how these people are actually making ends me and why they writing you know that they have to that some burning desire in the but how are they. How are they making living? And I wanted to examine in this book ways to use your writing skills outside of the realm of academia as well into recognize you. Have you have skills. And you're not getting those big advances a lot of people most people won't But there's still path for you right. You divide the book into before the book deal and after the book deal. Let's talk about before. What what would you say are most aspiring writer sort of biggest Mr Perceptions? And what information did you most want to arm people with this is on. My mind. Signed a lot because I'm starting to work privately with with writers and what I'm finding you know we're in this culture where everything has to be branded and sort of social media ready so a a major mistake. I'm finding with emerging writers is that they're thinking about the way their work is going to be received in the marketplace and marketed. Well before they even have a solid draft and people are getting in their way. You know you don't even have the Parade Ledge of asking yourself how you're going to be marketed until you get the writing right. People are are a fast forward into the end game and not learning how to revise. Especially now that you can. You can pay a lot of people to help with your manuscripts. This can be an exceptional tool. But if you don't learn how to revise yourself and protect yourself against your your less. Flattering habits is going to be really really hard industry to to make it by and because if you have any level of success you get thrown these assignments all the time right and off the book piece right an op-ed Oh could you do a blog post and you have to learn learn how to generate quality content quickly. You have to know how to write. You have to learn how to write so people are kind of you know either skipping over that or you're going I can't really speak to this. I don't have an MFA but I do think at the MFA level. Perhaps you're learning to write a certain way or you know exposed to certain books all. Oh that's fine but you need to learn how to write. You really do that so important. The most important thing. It's what it's what's going to get you a book deal. You can have a trendy a AH topic but unless you're a celebrity the writing has to be great. The story has to be great. What's the most common question that you get asked about people before? They signed their deal deal. I think definitely the most common question remains. How do I get an agent and this comes back to what I've said before the way you get an agent is to you know not send off your first draft that you really good about but to send off the eleven you know and we get so much rejection in our lives at writers that normally people accept except the very first offer from an agent of thrilled? Finally someone said yes right but the end of the day literary agents are the employees of writers they take fifteen percent of more or less everything that we make. They need to be our business partners. They need to be our creative partners to certain degree. We hope that there are friends. But you no. It's not enough that a An agent just likes what you do. I think that they have to have a view of the arc of your career. Not just this book. What's the next book can be? What's the third book going to be? And probably at this point in the game. You might want someone that works with you as a developmental editor because acquiring editors especially at the large houses. They've if no time they're in meetings all the time so again. You know it's not it's not as easy as you finally get an agent and then you're off to the races. Do you think that in general that idea from Agent Editor Publishing House of you know the bigger the more prestigious. The better is a misperception that authors have that. It's not necessarily about getting the big name agent or the major publisher if the editor isn't the right person person or if you're not going to necessarily get personalized attention from that agent. I think a misperception that a lot of people have is that everything depends on the debut. Do Think in America Co we are outside obsessed with the debut especially if it's a young attractive person ultimately endgame should probably be that our I book does well enough that we have the privilege to publish again. I think that's a more sustainable viewpoint and listen I mean hey I hope it for everyone but if if your first your very first book is in an insane success well you're not gonNA have a lot of time to write you know. Sometimes I'm not gonNA it's a curse of course it's not a curse to make money in this industry. It's a real privilege but you'll be left with with very little time for yourself and for that private quiet voice inside of you that that just wants to sit down and write and if you're away from that too long for some people can be hard to go back to and if you have the expectations you've hit the bestseller list with your first book. We'll gosh where do you go after their. You know what if you WANNA pivot. God forbid you wanna try another genre right especially when there's that idea of that brand absolutely a lot of editors and publishing houses they'll tell you what you see your readers you know. They won't follow you there. You have to change your name. You have to use a pen name. You can't go right of thriller if you've done a ROM com. Aren't I WANNA talk about the second half of your book title. Which is the after the book deal because most people outside of publishing in first time authors? Think like I've got a book dealing by. That's it you're done you're done you're not the Starts yes how. Do you break down the process after that therapy. I'm serious I am not making light. You need someone talk to you because unfortunately I think this has been revealed in the past weeks publishing not great with the communication. There's problems there and the agent is usually go-between which makes everything kind of awkward. It's hard for writers to talk to their publicist. Everyone's trying to do their best job. So there's some defensiveness there which I understand but I do think that the publishing industry could do better to realize that they are publishing the work of yearning striving human when beings who were feeling very raw and so it's about measuring and understanding also the extent to which you feel comfortable being your own. Pr Agency is a lot of pressure on authors right now to be their own social media managers do not to be performing themselves and this this for people who have spent what three years four years five years all alone in some funky really talking voices in their heads and then they're it thrown out in the roads post to do to do all sorts of public facing things even if you're good at it it takes energy away from our from our private the creative selves and learning how visible and how public you can be versus. Who I feel something inside myself I need to? I need to get off line nine. You have to have a fulcrum side of you if you don't I promise you you're going to spend all of your time online refreshing just hoping that you know some emails GonNa come in the Oprah's chosen you for the book club and these things don't come in so really it'd be best served by moving onto the next project. I think that that's important to set that time aside. You could have a little chapter like emailing you anytime it's in there. It's there is actually a lion says that email first of all you can go to an island where there's no way to reach. Someone will reach you if you don't need to be online to find out that that's right wants to get you. She'll find a way to the other thing I think again that is surprising to people outside. This industry is that when you sign your book deal it's a very different thing if you're fiction or nonfiction because if you're fiction divert in your book most of the time usually certainly for the first book that's right and then with nonfiction. A lot of people can sell a book on just a proposal. And I certainly have interviews in. I have interviews with about one hundred and seventy five different writers Peter's in publishing professionals and a lot of the nonfiction writers said that they were very surprised to realize that they had to write an entire book. Once the proposal was accepted and certain writers said you. You know what it's just the kind of mind I have. It took me longer to write the proposal. Then I think it would've taken if I'd if I'd written the book itself what's the biggest things. This is a two part question. What's the biggest thing people worry about once? They've signed their book deal. And maybe what should they be worried about that. They don't necessarily think of the thing is is that they worry about sales. Will the book sell but nobody sits down and helps US writers understand Dan. What's expected of us? How many books should we? So we have no idea if you're if you know that you're a league title. Will you know that you have support behind you. But what does that mean like literally. No one knows if people are walking around and and even the people with the one thousand dollar book deals they're like maybe there's some amazing world in which I'll get the New York Times bestseller lists but they don't actually know the colossal amount of copies. I think they think it's like Oh. Maybe if I sell you know three hundred copies. He's in a week or so they don't know that it's ninety thousand or whatever so I tell people you're obviously going to have a lot of anxiety if you don't even know how long the marathon is is that you're running out so find out. Don't ask how many cop because who at this time especially fiction slot selling super great so the numbers going to be more modest than you think. Why don't you find out what your first first printing? Your initial print run is going to be. Maybe it's a modest number two thousand three thousand then ask for support from your publisher. How do you think I can sell through that first? Print can't run. I think that that's a really manageable. Way For people to feel more in charge of of their sales and you know sales related success than to just shoot around. He's trying to sell thirty thousand copies a week which is going to be hard even for household names. Honestly at this point I think for many of our listeners. Some of these phrases we're using. They don't even necessarily know what they mean to. Let's go back. And what what do we mean by lead title. What is that okay so elite title regardless of the size of publishing the house whether it's what we consider the big five which are corporate publishing houses or or smaller presses independent presses like catapult which this book is published with they'll be certain titles tells either per month or one for the entire year that the house is going to put their full support behind in terms of resources energy and money in in many cases that means especially the larger houses that they will tour the author that they will pay for the tour that the set-aside of marketing budget whereas with titles that that are not they're not sure the taking a risk on and they're not sure going to perform well? You won't see that author being toward you know they'll do some social media coverage of course they'll hopefully try to get a little publicity but that's not their lead horse. You know the other thing that you mentioned is an advance and I think this again is is confusing to people in the way in which authors make money. Explain what you know we talked about. How in advance is this money? You get a you know how to time that is paid out. According to schedule. I usually four payments now. How does that work against copies that you sell an royalties how to writers get rich for example or how do they make even a living living if they have a small event? How does that all work? Okay so I mean another mistake I think people go go into in this industry thinking they'll make any money at all that that they can live off off. I firmly believe that you should have another stream of income in until you don't need to. That's that's one thing. The writers who are doing really well number one out the gate the publishers. Believe in the book like I said they have a lead title. They're probably pretty good at social media and they already have a platform and then things happen. They get speaking engagements. Those can be very lucrative. When your book cells in Foreign Territories sometimes certain territories like Germany for Buzzy titled They Might Pay as much as forty thousand dollars? Sometimes they pay a lot. Ah Listen for most people. They're not paying a lot five hundred one thousand dollars options for Film Television and sort of audio originals or way right now but most people and I really. This is very important to me that we remember that. There's so many writers out there who are not making a living off their writing and the writing. Anyway I've been that person I will be that person again and I love those people and most of them are teaching. Most of them are teaching adjunct teaching. So given that you've been paid in advance beforehand and you get paid out. What does it mean to get world teas and when do you get royalties? How does that work so a lot of people never see royalties you? It depends on your advance if you get a colossal advance like Million dollars like what have you. They're not necessarily expecting that. You're going to earn back your advance. The most writers only earn back maybe seventy percents of they're not even most traders most big deal. Writers are earning back. Seventy percent Lot A lot of publishers. At the big five level they're they're consciously overpaying either because they really want to acquire a certain author a certain project at a certain time they know they're paying too much if we go down into the smaller leagues. That say you got a fifty thousand dollar advance more-or-less I mean there's all sorts of factors but more or less you need to sell through the equivalent of what fifty thousand dollars worth of copies would be that can be all mixed together if you have an audio book you'll have a hardcover paperback and once you earn back that advance calling earning out. Earning out exactly then you start to see the royalty payments. Sometimes you if you have a happy surprise you can earn iron out your book before the book even comes out because there's more pre orders than they expected or maybe you get a big foreign sale or the audiobook sale goes for a lot. There can be really happy surprises when you're getting a smaller smaller advanced. This book as I mentioned earlier is divided into sections with many many sub sections sections from the Party's book tour to handling your inbox blurb in academia and do I need to go to parties and all this great stuff and it's it's very fun. Run to read even if you've been through this or maybe especially if you've been through this but I think my favorite section heading is called you drive me crazy The things mothers do that Dr Publishing professionals nuts. And so I'd be remiss if as our last question if we didn't ask about this. What drives publishers insane? I think it's when authors forget that they have other authors you know that they have other clients that the agent has other clients is that their book is the only thing that matters in the universe now on the flip side. That's what it feels like when you're the writer but sometimes it's hard for people to imagine what what an editor's inbox actually looks like. What a publicist? inbox actually looks like in that. All of our publishing friends can't be all things to us. Authors you know a lot of people expect their agent to be either therapist and their publicist to be their personal assistant and these are people not getting giant salaries doing their in most cases. They're doing their best and we want them to respect our time. We need to respect their so that section I did want the publishing professionals to weigh in. And say. Listen if you're not getting a good response from your team the problem might be you. There's some obnoxious authors out there and they have what I think are pretty funny anecdotes about authors behaving badly. All right I I want to end with an anecdote but before I do. I just want to insert one figure here for people to bear in mind since we're talking about the low pay nature of this field. which is that even at one of the big five publishers? The entry level for an editorial assistant average salary at a big five polishers thirty five thousand dollars that is in New York City New York City that are like that monthly take home is is is is not enough to pay rent in all likelihood so just to to factory Dan and those are the people that you're driving crazy of so send them some wine if they drink from time to time honestly. Don't forget the editorial assistance people always forget them. So let's send with with like a really funny store. Oh mine yeah anyone could be a personal one or it could be from your book so I mean one of the things that sparked me to write. This book was the very first day my pub day for my very first book. I'd gotten such amazing press that I drove to town where I knew. no-one I'm thinking like Oh my God you know. Am I going to find a parking spot. Is there going to be a line out the door. How cool with that? Be Courtney. Mama's coming she's down and then as I got closer to the store. I realized this book literally came out this morning. Even my closest friends don't they haven't had time to read it. I'm not a no-name named who the heck's going to be at this event in this town where I don't know anyone well. Three people one was the Simon Schuster sales ancient one was the bookstore owner and and one was an elderly gentleman who was asleep in the front row and that was kickoff semi nationwide book tour which led me to wonder perhaps apps the facade that we see on social media of the glamorous author life is not Actually Ladies and gentlemen this is literary success. Are Courtney thank thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me Courtney. Mom is a novelist and also the author of a new guidebook before and after the book deal a writer's Guide to finishing publishing thank promoting and surviving. Your first book joining us now to talk about what. We're reading my colleagues Greg. Kohl's Dave Kim and Tina Jordan. Hey guys come on. Let's start with you so I'm reading a novel called the House of Trelawny by Hannah Rothschild. And this was recommended to me by Elida Becker. Long occurred dearly departed the light of the Longtime Book Review Editor. Who's just retired and she and I shared a lot of the same or share a lot of the same taste in fiction and this is a big juicy dysfunctional family? Saga set at an eight hundred year. Old Castle in Cornwall. I'm what you read you. A short short description of it has four miles of corridors. That's an astonishing thing. The beauty of the interiors paled next. Setting to the north of the castle were four hundred acres of Medieval oakwoods set in deep cushions of moss laced with streams chasing over granite boulders. Different Times of the year. The glades were carpeted with flowers. CROCUSES snowdrop bluebells wild garlic rare. Orchids I mean you can just imagine so the earl and his wife are still alive. Alive the Earl to be. Who's I think in his forties or fifties is losing his fortune in London? The castle is falling apart. He does have a sister from whom he's strange to runs a very successful hedge fund and has money and who clearly is going to become involved. I'm not at that point yet. It's just at the point where everything is being set up for disaster which is just how. That's actually where I am in my book to. You know what I'll jump right in. I'm reading bad blood. Done fiction by John Kerry ru that C. A. R. E. Y. R. O.. Oh you he spent twenty years as a reporter at the Wall Street Journal where he broke the story of theranos which was the Silicon Valley. Start up trying to revolutionize blood testing making it so that patients could just keep machine in their house in prick their own fingers and do very elaborate blood tests sort of the way diabetic stew already already for glucose testing except that theranos was going to do it for a lot. More than just glucose you test for various proteins and see how drugs were affecting their disease is is catch diseases very early. In the game as a very ambitious startup run by a very young Stanford dropout in fact she dropped out of Stanford early in her sophomore year in order to start this company very smart talented ambitious charismatic and ruthless us and reckless named Elizabeth Holmes who in pursuit of this goal was touted as and saw herself as is kind of the next Steve Jobs only in biotech and she drove her employees. Really hard kind of into the grand. There is tremendous turnover at this company and as much as her idea had promised. And and maybe you know was feasible. She just at every step of the way got out too early. She raised money too early. She went on sales calls too early when nothing was quite working yet and so everything is is just set up for disaster. It's clear that she's over. Touting the revenues and the potential for revenues and any time that anybody raises this stuff as you need to slow down. There's a red flag. She just cans them or forces them off the board. Or you know it's it's you're feeling where you think this could really have been something. It's not like she said out to to be a con artist. She sat out really with real visions and just mismanaged everything. So badly wouldn't take advice and wouldn't listen to anybody and it ended up up being a huge disaster. I know that the second part of this book will be carry route talking about it as a journalist. How he came across the story and uncovered it and and how theranos tried to stop him from reporting on it? I'm not there yet and I'm still at the everything is going wrong. Fees Okay I have two questions one. Is it true that that she didn't start out as a total con artist. Because for some reason I got the impression about it at this is sort of a real bad player from very early on. It's hard to separate her ambition and her mismanagement. I I think it is true that she the thought this technology was possible. She had this vision for it. She recognized the market for it and again she just rushed. I may learn more from the book or you may need to ask Jerry ru himself but I believe that she thought she could make this happen. She she was not just out to con people and as things started falling apart she just tried to hide and paper over at all and it became kind of a con game. But it didn't didn't start out as like a sales pyramid type scheme. Okay and the other question I have is just as a potential reader because I have a copy of this book and everybody loves it. It and everyone was reading it and I think it's newly out in paperback and so it's on my shelf and when I thought about you know potentially picking it up I had that feeling of like Oh but is this all over now and it is over right but the the the story of their over except in court I think that. Yeah she's She's still facing charges. And you won't need to see what happens legally and there's an afterward to this book that that will go into some of that but just as a read so so forget reading it as journalism then if your point is while the stories already happened. It's a really riveting read it's vivid. It's fast fast paced. And it's one of these stories because it brings together science and technology and Silicon Valley. It's a story of a startup. It's entrepreneurialism PUNA realism. So it. It feels like it speaks to a lot of larger things going on in the culture and again you feel like her vision for the coming here original vision and for the company if somebody is more careful and spends the time to get it right. You know we're maybe not that. Far Away from these micro fluid blood tests. She the envisioned. There are some technical issues to be resolved but it feels very relevant. Still even though theranos itself has blown up already and Carrie route just also has a really great for the journalistic detail like before it was called theranos. Elizabeth homes called the company. real-time cures but because of a a Typo a lot of the early paychecks went out as real time curses and later on she gave an interview to a Silicon Valley newsletter. A newspaper that touted them as kind of the the hottest startup in Silicon Valley. And the name of that newsletter was red herring. You know. He's the great storyteller. Dave what are you reading. So I've got to books to talk about 'cause I'm greedy. But the first is the Black Cathedral by marcial gala and really wonderfully translated translated by an Kushner from the Spanish. A gala is a Cuban novelist poet an architect and then he's never been translated before into English. And this is a great way to start. This novel has multiple characters multiple narrators multiple storylines it set mostly in the southern Cuban Yuban city of San Diego's out. Just talk about the the two main narrative threads so one is We follow the stuarts and this is a super religious family. The father is a very religious pastor. WHO's trying to build this huge cathedral in San Diego's trying to turn turn the city into a kind of Cuban Jerusalem but of course his children are very troubled? His two sons Kinda get sucked into the hard knock life around them his daughter water as an artist. WHO's making her way out and doesn't want anything to do with the city and then we follow Hustle Gringo? WHO's in love with the daughter and partly because of thwarted love partly because of you know just crippling poverty he becomes this murderous criminal and just summing this book up I think would kind of makes it it sound over the top there are ghosts Senate there's cannibalism just an unflinching look violence it's their characters named Nacho fat lips and Guts uh-huh an but golly really pulls it off his voice is just really a pleasure to read the translation really feels like it was written this way and not you know not translated insulated readers of Junot Diaz are GonNa like this book that the recognized Brilliantly Profane very funny voices she said Nacho Fat Lips I thought of him exactly but I think also these Nice aphoristic moments that let you know you're in the hands of a writer whose wise and like knows a lot about humanity Mandy and has some great astute observations to make about it it's just that exuberant energy but contained in a book? That's really about human weaknesses. Mrs and Hubris and vulnerabilities that made me like this so much your other books. Also a little bit about human weakness which I'm frantically reading all the hell is about to break loose. The next book is the birth partner by Penny Simpkin with Katie. Ross and I am reading this my partner and and I are expecting our second child pretty much any minute so I may have Josh Show Studio. Yeah cover the birth live on the New York Times. PODCAST No Ah the birth partner was written in nineteen thousand nine now in its fifth edition And it's basically a four hundred page user manual for from Dad's partners CNOR Dulas and other labor companions for the frantic hours and sometimes days of labor and delivery. This book really fill the void for me when I was looking looking for books about an books for expecting dad's because the market is just really just appeals to the worst male stereotypes. I think everything has is that we're dude in the titles that's a recent development me but I wasn't looking at at the dad books. There are books like Dude Dude. You're going to have a baby diaper dude. I think there's one that's actually called the reluctant father. I was looking for uh-huh nicely written textbook. Basically that tells you what's going to happen and what you need to do and this book really does it. It's very comprehensive. It's sort of like and that's almost like it's it's also it's flaw. I mean it really covers all the bases of every possible scenario. It's like how to make an omelet seventeen different ways. It's like here's during a hurricane gain. Here's what happens when your partner is punching you in the face. And why did you do this to me. But I think the best parts are the story she tells of other couples. And just these anecdotes that that let you know you know the weird rituals that people come up with during this very stressful time you know one mm-hmm and really needed to have her back scratched in a particular way. You know. Another couple was really into hair brushing during the labor. Another woman was fixated on the hole in her husband's shirt and the became this kind of dumbo feather and when he turned away like totally ruined everything so I I really liked chips in there. I just remember ice chip. Yeah there's a good amount of about ice chips you know when I may be confusing that with my my labor classes I took years ago. I it sounds like you're reading the right book before your the second baby's birth but I remember before my thirds. I read the wrong book for me which was item as guide to childbirth which I read in part because says I was doing was researching stories that I was reporting at the time about birth and birth choice and the growing rate of Caesarean sections and itemize guide to childbirth. Is like the most sort of you know. What's the word articifial? It's artists yeah. Yeah it's for people who like you know give I like a field surrounded by in a spiritual attendants and I was in a hospital like extremely heavily drugged out. Uh with an epidural but I read that book right before and so I had this vision of like the I was just GonNa wait until the baby was ready and the doctor was like you know it's really time. Turn to start pushing and I was like nope. The baby will send me a signal and finally you know after hours of my delaying. He was like you know. You can't feel anything. Somebody drugs that baby be really as ready so sometimes you have to ignore the bucks you know th this. There was nothing in the book that I that I put to use during Our first child which you know He was almost born in the cab. Ride over to the hospital and we basically just had to go up. And I'm like you know taking the birth ball out and the yoga the matinee nurses are like you need to get in the hospital now. This baby's coming out in a minute and So it's none of you know I'm hoping this time we can do as number Brecqhou backscratching. Slow dancing has F- Pamela. What are you reading? Well like Dave. I'm GonNa talk about two bucks and these are both books that I read again. I have to confess. I'm still talking about the books I read during my now very long ago vacation but I just want to catch up with all them so due to really different books one was a wii novel by the writer. Melissa Albert whose first book I raised about on the podcast it was called the night the country and it was a fantasy novel that was published by flat. Iron which doesn't publish a lot of children's books are why and you kind of it kind of felt that way in that. It was not a typical wia book where everything that a character does. That's like bad you know that you wouldn't want your teenager doing like drinking king or smoking or whatever wasn't instantly condemned in some sort of plot twist or you know it wasn't sort of shown to be like by the way teenage reader. You know who should should not do this. which made it feel kind of revolutionary and it was just a really great fantasy novel about a girl whose grandmother was is a a famous reclusive writer whose book disappeared and the book was called? I think tales from the hinterland and in short order for it turns out that this hinterland of course actually exists and the granddaughter the targets in the Book and going to the hinterland so it starts off in New York Eric City and then you travel to this other world and many things happen there and it was just really well done and felt original and was had fairytales at its basis and then the second second book that I read while I was away is called night country which came out last fall and as with so many you know second books and I think it's probably going to be a trilogy. It's like a little bit of a letdown. It felt like once she had gotten through that initial setup. She wasn't sure quite where to go. And in this world something happens that I think often happens in this fantasy world where or in science fiction movies like you know in an alien you know they go to the planet and then the aliens come to you you know that kind of thing and the next so this was the creature so the hinterland sort of coming to New York City which I guess is kind of the next obvious step but it just didn't come together. They're in in quite the same way so i. I am holding out hopes. I think allergies along with a book of a trilogy in general. It's such an in-between often often and I think that's often. I don't know about you all but I don't often get to the end of trilogies to you either like one of trilogy that I really loved Justin Cronin against trilogy which started with the passage and I did read the twelve. I still haven't read the third one and that was another problem with this book. which is that? It's very hard for me to go back to the Kronen. Now because it's been I think probably five years since I read the second one I have no idea what previously Justin Cronin exactly I do and I should have done the same thing with the night. Country went to this island. I didn't bring a copy of the Hazelwood with me so I felt I felt like I spent a good portion of the book being like wait. What like who? Who is this person so I was reading a disadvantage and the other book that I read while I was away as Jennie O.? Dell's book how do nothing. Which of course is a really excellent title? The subtitle is resisting the attention economy. which also I feel is is very good and I am on board? And it's an interesting book. She was a guest on the podcast. When this book came out last Spring and one of the interesting things that happened at the end of the year is that it made President Barack Obama's list of favorite books of the year and that catapulted it onto the bestseller list So after had come right for the first time so the book came on April. But it didn't make our list until December and I just that that happens very rarely now for something to surface in the list so long after publication quick turn on the bus other less for whole number of reasons and and there was just such a happy thing too because it's from a small publisher Melville House and Geno Dallas a really great writer but she's not primarily a writer. She's a she's a visual artist and she just has a very interesting mind and there's a lot to think about in this book and it's a little bit of an odd structure. She does A few different things in the book and it's not a how to book by any stretch of the imagination and the other thing I will say is when she came on the podcast regular listeners. Might Remember this Moseley. What we talked about was her would i? I was really fascinated with at the time which was residency that she had done at a garbage dump in the bay area which is like there is an artist and writers residency. And I just was like what did you do there. You know it was interesting to me. how I approach that that project you know when I left thinking like maybe I should have a residency at Kinda interesting. I don't know if I could handle the smell. L. And so there's a lot in here but she tells a story that I'd actually read about before but it forgotten about and I wonder retail it because it's such an interesting one. There was a this situation situation where there was this worker in an office in two thousand and eight at the accounting firm Deloitte. There was a new person on staff and everyone in the office was kind and troubled by it and so she genio. Del starts off with a a memo written at the time. It was like subject marketing trainee important high and the memo starts as I already mentioned to. Z. There's been a person sitting in the tax library space and staring out of the window with a glazed look in her eyes female very short short hair. She said when asked that. She's a training and marketing. She sat in front of an empty dusk from ten thirty. AM went for lunch. Dot Dot to Jenny Odell goes on to say stay in the midst of a bustling work environment. She didn't seem to be doing anything except sitting at an empty desk and staring into space whenever someone asked what she was doing she replied imply that she was doing to thought work or working on her thesis. Then there was the day she spent writing the elevators up down repeatedly when a CO worker saw this and asked asked if she was thinking again she replied it helps me to see things from a different perspective. The employee's became uneasy. Urgent Inter office emails were sent so it turns doubt that this was a Finnish artist. Barbie situation this is part of a chapter call anatomy ever refusal and and Odell takes to this interesting place where you know she in talking about attention talking about like the way in which we pay attention to things. It's not just what about what we attend to. But also what we sort of shut out and won't be refused to let into our consciousness so it's definitely good to read while on vacation on a on a desert island but I think also probably really interesting thing to read like if you're working in a bustling were office on a daily basis. So I would recommend Jennie O.. Dell's so how do nothing. Let's run down the list of what we read again. Starting with you Tina well. I just started the house of Trelawny by Hannah Rothschild. I'm reading bad blood by John. Kerry ru I'm reading the Black Cathedral by Marcial gala and the birth partner by Penny Simpkin. And and I read how to do nothing resisting the attention economy by Jenny Odell and the night country by Melissa Albert. All right thanks guys. Thanks Pamela Pamela. Remember remember there's more at ny times dot com slash books and you can always write to us at books at NY TIMES DOT Com. I write back not right away but I do. The Book Review. PODCAST is produced by the Greet Pedro Rossato from head. stepper media with a major assist for my colleague John Williams. Thanks for listening for the New York. Times I'm Pamela Paul.

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He that's not destructing. They're helping people get healthcare and spraying lunches, destroying the capacity of those people to actually enter the power, the productive economy. Well, thank you, bad. Slave. Good. Call rate and commentary, bad slave like destruct. Oh, by he is a bad slave. Destruct Obama'd is a good term. I'm looking for a new term because you bring up the definitions or important words we use matter. And when you say the state, it means different things to different people, so we got to get on the same page about what we're talking about, right? And everyone can be against destructive bought. So that's a that's a step in the right direction. Well, let's go on has its place, if we're not talking about the state like, did you ever see the battle botch show, where they like put robots in a in an arena, and have them? Try one on one has awesome. Yeah, that's fucked about the good show. Sarah wasn't talking about the state as we know just like enforcers and all of this. She was specifically talking about the legislatures and that point I want to say those guys are going there they're going away. Because and at one point they were the best. Technology. We had for organizing in a larger group of people because there wasn't you think? Yeah. Well, they don't think it was always a bad idea. Well, okay. Groups of people come physically coming together as central location to, you know, to try to coordinate themselves that was necessary. More necessary than now because of telecommunications, okay? But even back then was it really necessary? Or was it just an excuse for the people who wanted to control others? Yeah. No, they were always busy body type. Well the state. Yeah, but like other groups of people getting together physically and like having meetings is no longer as necessary. That's true. Right. And people can communicate broadly to as many people as they want, like we're doing right now. It's true. 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Our number's eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Joining you in the studio tonight, you've got me, Stephen and Derek J. And of course, you can bring up whatever you want. We were in the last hour, kind of just scratched the surface of an interesting piece by the Associated Press. Reporting on what it's like to be a criminal, not the government criminals, but the other ones looked your typical single thug in Caracas in Venezuela this organized crime. Exactly. And how life is even more difficult for them. The people who have, you know, historically lived off of the efforts of others by stealing them, or robbing them or whatever, apparently, this guy's claiming that he's even committed murders claims that he has lost track of how many so let's continue with that story. Of course you can bring up anything that you want here. Our toll free numbers. Eight fifty five four fifty free and against the Associated Press here, they say that they're claiming actually that violent crimes are down. In fact, claiming that homicides plunged up to twenty percent over the last twenty years twenty three years twenty percent over the last three years based on talent from media clippings and sources at local morgues officials of President Nicolas Maduro socialist administration of drawn criticism for not releasing robust crime statistics the government on Tuesday gave the figure showing thirty nine percent drop in homicides over the same three year period with ten thousand five hundred ninety eight killings in the year twenty eight teen many killing ten thousand five hundred ninety eight that's presumably for the whole year for all of the country. Wow. Lots hounds like a lot. And there's a lot. And of course, it's the government's number. So who knows what the actual statistics are officials also report a fall in kidnappings? The decline has a direct link to the economic tailspin that has. Helped spark a political battle for control over the once or of the once wealthy oil nation. Soaring inflation top one million percent last year. And this is one of the reasons why we were talking earlier about how important it is for people in that situation in Venezuela to get a hold of crypto currencies. Whatever one we're talking about, whether it be bitcoin, BTC or dasher, bitcoin cash, any gripped, oh, currency is going to do better than the Bulevar with the exception of maybe like bit connect, or something like that. But most of the, you know, the cryptos out there are going to do a lot better than the Bulevar where they're going again, there hasn't gone away doing it again. There's another one still there connect to or something. It's like the ample of scam coin from top to bottom. Yeah. Speaking of inflation, most people know that bitcoin is not at an all time high right now. You know, it's, it's, it's half the price. Of its all time, high do people know that most people who are into bitcoin, but it's really doing very well in Argentina this week. It did hit an all time high in terms of pesos realize, because the peso has fallen by over half since the previous all time, high of bitcoin. That's amazing. There was another all time high that I saw now, the number of wallets that have I believe it was less, or was it more than point one? I've got the story here. I'll have to pull it up. But lay more than zero point one BTC than the number of wallets that have that much keeps increasing. Yes. So that means that presumably, that means more people have bitcoin than ever before. Yeah. We can't really say for sure, because it's just while it's one person could have ten or twenty or whatever while it's, but it's a good measurement generally over time that of adoption. Yeah. Seems to be an indicating sense to me. So that's another all time high for bitcoin that just happened. I think a few days ago that's pretty exciting but it's super important for the folks in Venezuela. To do everything they can to get rid of the boulevard, which the typical way that, that people do that in countries where there's hyper inflation, whether we're talking about Zimbabwe, or whatever in the Germany in the past. The typical way that people get rid of their monies to spend it like as soon as they get the paycheck. They go store and they spend it on everything. They can possibly by the longer. They wait the less of the value that, you know, the, the money will lose value in Argentina. I talked to a number of business owners and they all take all the Pacers. They get every day and buy dollars. Yeah. Sure. They don't have market right in the bed. It put it into the Bank account, and it's goes to dollars. Interesting. Let's that's good that in Argentina, you can still do that. You can't do that. And then as Walea the banks don't work both ways you can only take dollars and get boulevard from the Bank. You cannot go in with boulevard, the banks like, well, you gotta bring us something value. Like we're not gonna just give you dollars for nothing. Right. So it might even be a crime in as well. So going on here with more from the story inflation, topping one million percent last year making the local boulevard, nearly useless even though ATM machines have been unable to dispense more than dollars worth of scrip. Anyway, the Savoy. Dear scarcity of food and medicine has driven some three point million Venezuelans to seek better prospects and places like Colombia Panama and Peru. Yeah, if you're not crippled if you can get out of in Walea, and you can get the rest of your family out. You, you ought to the reason why a lot of people stay is because of family, right? Like they're like, well, I could leave. And I'm able bodied. But my grandfather is he's in a wheelchair. How are we supposed to get him out? It's not going to be as easy or whatever. People are some people just wanna stay where they were born. You know they feel like they're obligated to stick it out. Maybe they feel like it will blow over, like you know, they really been through this sort of thing before history repeats, we'll get back to our former glory, or at least not so bad as it is today. They, there was an article recently that, that Venezuela is worse than I think it was. I forget how many years, but in like a matter of decades since the seventies, the worst economics destruction with the exception of war. Basically, with the exception of countries that have been bombed out husks, than as well as the worst while. So I don't know if they have been through this before this may be the probably the first time of even for the octogenarians living in, in Venezuela, the first time that anybody's been that poor. Going on here. Let's see the majority of them are young males who gangs are from homes, gangs, recruit and workdays are frequently for Taylor a nationwide strikes. But as the country descends into a state of lawlessness. Many Venezuelans who turned to find a turn to crime. Find themselves subject to the same chaos that has led to a broader political and social meltdown. Critics blame twenty years of the socialist revolution launched by president Hugo Chavez, who expropriated, once, thriving businesses that today produce a fraction of their potential under government management. And we've talked about this before, as well where they've literally nationalized, hundreds of businesses over the years in Venezuela, and run them straight into the ground because a bureaucrat cannot run a business bureaucrats, do not have the ability to be subject to market signals like business. They might have the ability. They, they don't have the incentives. Yeah. There's also bureaucrats within large. Corporations, absolute and corporate theory does does show that it's, it's best when like within a large corporation. They don't even know what the different pricing and, and signals are within the company, so they have to use other companies to tell them to even find out what the price of stuff is they can't even produce the whole stack of what they need for the product, even if they could they would just be way off, like they need the market signal of prices. Yeah. At least corporations can get those signals. Whereas governments are almost completely insulated from that doesn't matter to the government. What the prices of did you know that there's a steal money in the Soviet Union? They, they had no idea, what prices were supposed to be right. So they would literally get like the Sears catalog. Yeah. And they would look at the prices, even though that was the American prices for those items, and it wouldn't necessarily correlate with whatever their economy could support, the certainly the price of those things in their economy must have been way higher. Right. Nobody could buy it anyway. At whatever price the bureaucrats were arbitrarily setting. So it's just an absolute mess and earlier this year opposition leader Guido launched a bold campaign with support of the US government and fifty other nations to oust Maduro who was the job as successor. He was China's right hand man, while China's was in and now he's the president. However, guate- has yet to make good on his promises to restore democracy. Spark a robust economy and make the streets safer. Well, that's I mean he's not the president. He says, he's the president the US government and other governments government gangs are recognizing him as the president, but he's not sitting in the office, they are recognizing him. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You hadn't heard about that. No. Yeah. So when Guido claimed that he had won the election. So Trump is talking to glide. Yeah. Yeah. Downst- guido. I've heard that okay. Could be guide. Oh, guido. It's G O with an accent over. Guida guida. Anyway. More coming up here. You did spend some time in South America, eight fifty four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. So what about what was his name L thug that they have you here? L Negritos negative. Yeah. We'll find out more about him coming up to eight fifty five four fifty free. Join us here on free talk live. To such a beautiful little puppy. I mean, the walk around the block, and neighbors, always say her hair, so beautiful healthy, and shiny and glossy D I N O V, I T, E dot com. Omega threes and sixes are great for healthy skin, and soft shiny coats. 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Yeah, because I mean how much of a fight, did they put up against Madero and all the promises that he made for who is running against probably somebody else who sucked when they confiscated the guns that was bad. I don't know. I'm just saying. Like maybe these people went along with really bad ideas for a long time. They say you get the government you deserve. The people get the government that they deserve that that's true in all cases. But I'm wondering if it's true in this case, I mean, at what point people heard about any resistance to this government, people have to have a point at which that they're going to stop going along to get along, right? Like to to where they will be willing to resist. And at what point would that be here in the United States? People have been pretty brainwashed here. I know there used to be I mean, I don't know it seems like the US or the Americas has this tradition of, like knowledge and philosophy about the dangers of a welfare system and the virtues of independence where we look down on Sarah who might do better for herself. And for the world if she were more independent, and not dependent on handouts. And if you're part of a culture, a whole country of people who are like, yeah, we want more of that more and more. Sarah's we all want to be. Sarah's that's bad. That's not gonna lead to good thing. Yeah. Give that ten twenty years, thirty years. And it's what the worst place on earth. They can't even take the natural resource of oil and make money on that these. Yes, it is there. Yeah. Let's continue a little bit more here from the Associated Press, and they're going to tell us about what life is like kind of been summarizing. Some of the, the political ramifications of what's been going on there. You've got two different socialists, who are fighting over the country. I think that's another these people still unaware. I don't want to be mean but are they unaware of the consequences everyone else left? That's the thing like all the people who tonight or flight and flight is easy. I mean, like we all moved here, I didn't need to fight the state of California, right? It's easy repaid Venezuelans. They go to Columbia. No Cyrus Columbia all over South America, anywhere else is better. Okay. And where they weren't. So that's the deal. So you're what you're saying is the ones who. Smart enough got out. Thank goodness for open borders. I mean, if you're running a business in Venezuela, and you see other businesses being nationalized. Do you wanna keep going because you could be next? I'm amazed. I mean, one of one of the people who uses any pay Venezuela's, like a cupcake shop, like that's cute. That's great. I'm glad there are people. Yeah. But. Why would you open a business there? Why wouldn't you just open a business to try to help people like to some extent? There's probably the, you know, how people are about where they live, right? Like the place where they were born. They kinda hold onto certain love for that place. It may not apply to us because we've moved from the places we were, we were born. But for a lot of people it's like that's my town. You know that's my team. Those are my people even though it doesn't really mean anything, but to them, it, does, you know, and they have a real connection with the people that they grew up with their and like, if people are hungry around you, and who have the ability to cook, and you don't wanna leave, then you probably want to try to like feed. Those people would be my guess. Yeah. And plus, like your family and friends are not on the same page like they don't all understand that. It's easier for you all just leave. Right. So you want to leave, but they don't what do you do? Yeah, what do you, do you love them? Tach to them. Maybe a reliant on them in emotional, or economic relying on you. You're the breadwinner. That's right. You know and what shin do you have to the people who created you? You don't have an obligation. But you sure a lot of you might feel like you do. Yeah, as a result of the chaos is the crime has not so much disappeared. Simply morphed inform while assaults are down reports of theft and pilfering of everything from copper telephone wires to livestock are surging. Meanwhile, drug trafficking, and illegal gold, mining illegal golden. Okay. Become default activities for organized crime. Crime gathering. Right. Well, this is what happens in a country where the government has total. I would I'd be willing to bet that gold mining is illegal in the United States to I don't know, it'd be interesting to find that out when night falls streets in Caracas clear as most residents abide by an undeclared curfew out of fear for their safety, despite the significant drop and killings and his Waylon tend not to gaze at their cell phones in the streets. Many league gotta be aware your situational awareness your New Hampshire. You walk around with yourself when you're probably not gonna get robbed, you're gonna hit someone though that could happen in, in Mexico. Mike concern was falling through a hole in the streets there, literally were holes in the occult, go streets, if you weren't paying attention you're going in one of them break a leg. Wow. Or at the very least hurt yourself in some way. We'll talk about more about what, what is life, like for Chris. In venezuela. 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And one of the other things you mentioned earlier, Stephen talking about how people in Venezuela need to be able to get in and out of bitcoin, so they're using bitcoin for remittances. But some people are using say local bitcoins, as a website to, for instance, sell their bitcoin, and get Bulevar so that they can then by five things locally at places that don't yet except crypto currency. Well coming up in about a week from today. The folks over at bitcoin dot com are going to be launching a competitor to local coins. They're going to call it local dot bitcoin dot com. And that is where you will be able to buy and sell bitcoin cash with let's. Say dollars or boulevard or whatever it's going to be a global site. So people in Venezuela will be able to use this site, and they'll be able to avoid all the terrible fees that they have to currently pay with bitcoin PTC. And there's no no your customer requirements to sign up for an account at local bitcoin dot com. In fact, you can go there right now and sign up for the account, even though they haven't officially launched the site. They haven't opened up the site's full features yet. But this, this account registration is there you can even post a selling advertisement. So if you have bitcoin cash, you wanna sell you can post that ad but again, nobody can respond to the ad yet until Choon fourth, so about a week from today to check it out over at local dot bitcoin dot com. And from what I understand, they're also going to encrypt the communications between buyers and sellers. Also, the site itself will be able to know what is being talked about unless you need the site to arbitrate, a dispute, and they're going to allow later on, I think, for other people to be arbitrators. Like there can be like a professional arbitrators on the site is wonderful really interesting. What they they've got. Plenty dot com is growing at such a fast pace and producing all kinds of cool stuff. I was at their offices a few weeks ago in, in Tokyo. Never been there before and some of the stuff they were telling me about that. They've got working is really exciting some of it. I can't talk about on the air, but local about bitcoin dot com. I can't so I'm excited about it. That's cool. Yeah. I'm I'm planning on trying it out. I've already got an account registered. The me too. I'm really excited. I'm ready to go. Yeah, it seems already leagues better than local bitcoin dot com which I've used in love for years. Local bitcoins is always going to have a warm spot in my heart for sure. But they got cracked down on by the government recently, they had to buy Cording to the Finnish government. I think it was based in Finland. They had to in implement mandatory know your customer requirements on all sellers. Mogo thing that bitcoin dot com is based in Saint bits wherever that. Again, you know they're also saying, hey look, we're we're not even holding the funds. So they're not. They're not. That's another important part is they got. I think what they're calling blind escrow. Right. Where they're not they're not involved in anything. Except running a website, basically, such a great technology to enable more freedom. And we'll in this case, I think it's bitcoin cash apparently now has a way to do like. Escrow or coding or something? So it's going to be like a smart contract, basically because of the new signature type. The were saying was no good. I don't like our signature, I guess I'm torn on that. Yeah. That's beyond my something cool for me. Then I'm happy. But this sounds pretty cool. Yeah. It does sound cool. But in the meantime, it broke my app. I was not happy about all these changes. Well, that's what happened making changes can break things. Bit change for the sake of changes that good. That's arguable. So we've been talking about Venezuela and the criminal class. They're not the government criminals, but the other criminals, the ones that are more likely to, you know, put a gun or a knife in your back in just rob straight right out in the streets as a result of the chaos. They say here that when night falls, most incorrectness abide by an undeclared curfew out of fear for their safety despite the significant drop in killings. Venezuelans aren't looking at their cell phones in the streets. Many leave gold and silver, wedding rings and secure places at home. Others have grown accustomed to checking whether they're being followed, quote, Venezuela remains one of the most violent countries in the world, this, according to Dorothy, chronic who teaches political science at the university of Pennsylvania and has carried out extensive research in Caracas, slums. She says it has wartime levels of violence, but no war Ellen agree to-. This is the twenty four year. Old hoodlum the criminal that they interviewed for the story leads four, higher gangsters called the crazy boys Aban that forms part of an intricate criminal network in Petar, or Petar, one of Latin, America's largest and most feared, slums, the gangster who agreed to an interview with two associates, their hillside hideout in Caracas said his group now carries out roughly five kidnappings a year, Dow down from the past, he says considerably because I mean, are they gonna pay the ransom? I mean, you can't kidnap people can't pay the ransom, right? Such says here that such express abductions are big business. How many kidnappings do you think there are around here? That's a good question. I mean, how does that compare to haven't heard of one world was ranked number fifty out of fifty states for the most violent crime? Okay. So not violent at all not violent more violent than to Canadian states, I think it is New Hampshire as far as murder is concerned per capita just behind Vermont, as the number two least murderous state. So it is not murder us at all here Vermont, like the, the difference between the two is very very fracture. You guys, but kidnapping sound scarier than murder to me. I don't you know, I'd rather just be dead real quick than you may dad real quickly. Dad real murder. I mean it could be like a slaughtering where you're slowly murdered that would be you might get away with the kidnapping would. Oh, yeah. I might get away from the kidnapper. Or like I hear stories of girls. Five years or something? And then they get out. Yeah, I knew a guy who wanted to be kidnapped. Peta xinke. Yeah. It was fetish, he wanted somebody, to, like pull up an van so interesting. Black masks, and kidnap him. You know, that's a Farren vending machine in Manchester immediately, how to get out of fun, so going on here about the crazy boys. Typically victim is nabbed and held hostage for up to forty eight hours while loved ones scramble, the gather as much cash as they can find kidnappers focus on speed and quick return, rather than on the size of the payout elm agree toe said the ransom they set depends on what victims car costs and the deal can turn deadly. If demands aren't met, but like many of his associates, he has considered leaving the trade in Venezuela, and emigrating. Neighbors say the life expectancy for his street thugs is about twenty five years. I hope imigrants somewhere where people have guns and can stop him from doing these things. He's got a gun. Because criminals are willing to were guys have guns, right? He said, people have quit the world of crime and sought more, honest work abroad. Fearing stiff penalties and other countries where laws are more enforced. That's interesting so suggesting that the police aren't anywhere to be found that if you get kidnapped in Venezuela, you better pay the ransom or go and find the kidnappers yourself and do something about it, because the police aren't going to help you while they're too busy trying to find food. We'll be my. Guess while explaining the fed enough. They were for the government probably true. They can get all the there was a story about the soldiers like killing goats or whatever because they didn't have enough food at. Wow. And this was a couple years ago. Now I mean, again you presume the government's taking care of its own soldiers as much as they can while explaining the struggles to support his wife and young daughter Ellen agree, to- passed a silver pistol between his hands a bible lay open to proverbs on a dresser as a breeze. Turn the pages. See what I'm saying about this being made up. This is they made that they made some amount of this up toll free number here. 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We're talking about a story from the Associated Press talking about how the difficulties in Venezuela are even affecting the criminals, because if people are generally poorer than the criminals cannot steal as much from their victims, as we've found out with their interview of Ellen agree toe and his gangsters from the crazy boys band of a what they call an intricate criminal network in one of Latin, America's largest and most feared slums, but even Ellen agree to- himself is talking about leaving the country and maybe taking on honest work because it's just not working out. With all the kidnappings these days, it's getting harder and harder to find people who are able to pay a ransom. And then, of course, you know, even if you get the ransom money it starts, losing, value, the moment, you know gets paid to you. So if you want to share your thoughts with us. You're welcome to join us here. Also, I do want to say thank you to liberate ups, liberal, liberates, Apas, ES. 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It's a place called the Helen mills theater think Allen mill the theatre district. Hey, you gotta go to Los Arain. What is that fine? French restaurant uses any pay really. Yeah. Is it on the map on this? I will be looking at the pain that and I will see if it is anywhere near the, the hotel, too, if it's. So ho- and Upper West side, okay, that it increases the odds, then that, that we could go. That's pretty cool because it's so hard to find cryptocurrency accepting restaurants in places like the coin map. It's so out of date, impossible prove it map you're gonna you're going to be set for disappointment. If you're look on any other map, my God. Oh there and they don't take it. I went to Austin a year ago, your hometown, Stephen this tech hub, you know, the cool hip Austin, so cool. And I looked at the coin map, and I'm like, all right. I got some time to kill in Austin. I wanna go this cool. Hip towns, gotta have a place where I can spend crypto currency. It's got to be at least one place, where I can go, and I went through the entire list of the ported restaurants on the coin map point map dot org, which is a cool map and everything I went through everything. Well, one of them tried calling tried, you know, finding websites tried finding anything and they were either didn't exist anymore, or didn't even know anything about taking crypto currency, there were a bunch of like Asian restaurants on there. But what actually it was was an intermediary. So there was a company that would do the delivery for you, and you could pay the delivery company being rigged. Okay. Rency to go and pick up from these places. So if you called the, you know, the Japanese restaurant, or whatever, they'd had no it, they didn't know anything about crypto currency. They didn't know you could pay crypto currency for their product. I didn't try doing that because to me, that's not the real deal. It's cool. I'm glad that, that thing exists, but I want to be able to go into a place sit down and pay with crypto currency when I'm done. Austin didn't have anything like that. Well, has one business that uses any pace, liberty stickers stickers cool, which is where we get our bumpers to what and you know, we should get Michael Cargill to use any pay the guy. Yeah. He will. Take bitcoin, but, you know if he wants to be on the map and that nap is the coolest maps, let's talk a little more about that. It's any pay mapped. Yeah. The prove it map. So it's map dot com. But if it's easier for people to just remember, it's any pay merchants, any payment dot com. So a couple of different your else that I'll go to the same place, but basically it's a map, and what's the problem is all these other maps as we've been talking about they out to you, because you get your hopes up like, oh, well, Boston, gosh. Their businesses that take Bitcoin's not even that many zero try zero businesses in Boston. 'cause we know because there are bitcoin cash meet ups there. There's dash meet ups. They don't even try it is the euro actually euro and God has a boat rental place. Now, now there's a run. We've got one in Massachusetts, one bitcoin something business and know all these other maps, you'll see. Oh, there must be millions of places in the world. Accepting bitcoin. No reality is. It's only a handful and we give you the reality. We'll tell you what places. No BS on the any payment because we've got some in Portsmouth, that it's embarrassing that our hometown. Right. They've gone grey and what would that mean? They haven't taken bitcoin over three months. And so if you go into a business, that's great feel bad at the L on, like, no God. We say these people because yellows what like a mauve remover a week. Oh, it's a week. A week there start to get yellow red over. Okay. That's yeah. You're really endanger, their, you haven't had a customer to pay you in bitcoin, and over the cashiers are going to start forgetting how to do it. Exactly. Oh man. The Felix from Thailand. He's a huge power. He's like your ass. And he said, up many businesses, and he was complaining like, oh, the, the map, keeps turning yellow and red. It looks like yeah. Well, there aren't that many people going there and they're going to forget about it. Well, and there's also the problem of the crypto currency holders who will not spend it. They do not see the they don't understand the value of spending, crypto currency and they just hold onto it. So you may even have people in the area Thailand or whatever who are crypto currency holders, but they're not going out and spending it and that they're worthless. Sorry, I just I don't care about if you're not gonna use the stuff then you're might be a great guy. But I'm not interested. We don't connect on that level. Yeah. You know, it's boring. I don't want to insult the person I want to persuade them. I want to explain to them that if like we said earlier, if the guy hadn't bought the pizzas Laszlo, if you hadn't bought the two pizzas, for ten thousand bitcoins back in the past. Now, somebody probably would about something eventually. But the fact that people spend cryptocurrency is what makes it. Worth something. The fact that it's useful and usable and is being used is why it's useful, frankly, I, I don't think it's going to work out that people using bitcoin is what makes it the most useful. I think it's going to be machines using bitcoin to get what they want that will be the most transactions like things like different applications. Different data one, you were telling me about the has like the most transactions like weather as v. Okay. So this is a really cool app. That's built in the into the bitcoin, and it uses it uses public weather data from from in different places over the world. This is like whether dot com. Yeah. Uses uses live weather data from sensors, I think whether dot com and then it put it every hour, it puts the data into the bitcoin database. Why, why? So there's a permanent record that is unable to of what the weather was any, any company that publishes. A website with that. They could chamber to get that information. They could change the data over time they could go back said it down the memory hole, a hacker could come and change the data. Yeah. But not if it's in a permanent database, time, stamp, every ten minutes, that's basically almost impossible to override the time stamp. That's interesting. So that's just one example of an app. And so basically, you can pay I paid to activate Portsmouth, and you could pay to activate keen. It was like, I don't know, five dollars or something to get weather, the weather data for a whole year. So I paid the fees to, to put that information in the database now every hour, it's putting the weather information about Portsmouth and people are activating cities all over the world about that. Now this it's like a public infrastructure now for, for weather, but it's still depends on people to use it. The whole argument here is that persuade their and our like I have bitcoin. I'm cool. It's like yeah. That is cool. That's a first Steph or send you gotta use it. If you don't now I don't doing. I don't blame somebody who's like, well, I wanna use it. It's got a three dollar fee. Okay. Gotcha dash or bitcoin cash or one of the other crypto currencies out there with very, very low there are alternatives. And of course with any pay. There's ten percent back on both. Dash in bitcoin cash, the dash BAC. Also, you guys your fee down pretty low. I think Roger just had a bet with a big popular guy in bitcoin hone as about heard about. Oh. 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You can take control of the airwaves here on free talk live with you in the studio tonight. You've got Ian Stevens Eyler, and Derek J. Stephen Derek, courtesy of any pay dot global, and helped me, take bitcoin dot com, any pay map dot com. And how many websites you guys have? No, they're all the same one. It's all anyway. So if people are looking for the easiest places in the app store. Oh, right. Because we haven't even mentioned that, that you can download for IOS and for Android. Yeah. The websites anymore. Just go to the s I do I'm old. Search any pay in the app store. Then you can add your business to the map right from inside the app, right inside yada. Cool. Maybe we should put the map in the app. I don't know if you can. I mean, or at least linked to it doesn't seem right. Because as a user like on some, I'm not a business. I wanna go use them people. Keep installing the app on their personal phone. Yeah, absolutely. That's going to recommend to a business owner when I meet with hopefully within the next few days here, just so she can have it there and administer her app from her phone. Well, yeah, we're from any pay, and you can find us in all kinds of places. It's awesome. I love it. All right. So Derek J you wanted to go to talk radio? Hell tonight, why, why does your only? I don't think Mark named at that because almost always generate some of the worst callers, bringing a portion as a topic is like, you know, one of the it's one of the most controversial topics right of the most controversial Derek loves abortions. I I'm torn about this. I don't you know, the point of VIN always why interesting about abortions. Well, every time we talk about abortion. There's never went on the show. So what? Anyway, the thing that's interesting. Is that this is Missouri's last abortion clinic, also known as misery, right? Yeah. Misery. Is that correct? Pronunciation. Okay. Got it as in misery, like state company. Yeah, it's the last abortion clinic and it may lose its license this week and probably will meaning that. Abortions are affectively illegal in Missouri. Now that'll have they need a license to operate and didn't. They also just ban them in Alabama as well. Yes, there will not gonna be any more abortions than. There probably will be. And when it around with prohibition, that's why this story is interesting to me, and probably to you guys as well as with anything that you prohibit. There will inevitably emerge, a black market for that ever hip. It'd products into manned. Yeah. And black market abortions, probably not as good as the over the counter abortion. You know, we're talking about, like dangerous implements compared to, you know what whatever it is. Normally do except for rich people surely just go somewhere else. Yeah. Probably they can have a private doctor that can do just fine. Like, apparently, that's how it's always been the poor lady who, you know, got raped or knocked up by her boyfriend accidentally, or whatever who doesn't want the child. She's going to go to a back alley clinic, and they're going to pull out a coat hanger, or whatever. Well, here's to be horrible. Endanger of socks. In a statement Tuesday, Planned Parenthood. Said, Missouri's health department is quote, El negro to give you your, your abortion. The guy we were talking about in Venezuela. No, nobody wants that afterward. He will extort you. Sorry. You. No. Sorry. I'm just getting a bad image. The health department in Missouri is refusing to renew its annual license to provide abortion in the state to plan. Well, and if the licenses not renewed by may thirty first that's a couple of days. Missouri would become the first state without a functioning abortion clinics since nineteen seventy three. Wow. When Roe v Wade was decided forty five years ago. Yeah. Planned Parenthood filed a lawsuit requesting restraining order against the state and hoping to restore the license and avoid service disruption. What town is it does it mention where this place is the article may name the town, but I like, the, the article starts with Liga news was to orient guy. Yeah. So I can see the targeted ads now for abortion tourism flooding into the face into rages on Missouri. You know, like yeah. Yeah. The Kansas, right? We haven't really seen. It hasn't been a part of my lifetime. Like imagine there were people who are older than us, who knew a time when abortion was illegal and women got them, and they were dangerous and they died. I've heard stories about coat hangers. There was like a. Dry cleaner that their coat hangers used to come with a drycleaners to, like, put their name or their slogan or whatever. And the dry paper part of the drag on your hangar. It said like never again on the coat hanger as, as a reference to the holocaust. But to the time when abortion was illegal and people use code hangers, my, so we've never experienced that in our lifetime. But is it possible? That that is coming again. It could be. It's in Missouri seems they're running out of options. I can totally see a huge religious fundamentalism reliable all the cross America in, you think this thing happens to two civilizations from time to time religion. Wait a minute. You don't have to be religious to be against abortion. Right. Well, I'm I mean, I'm not saying role that could happen with a religious medalist revival. I but seems like people are moving away from religion generally in the United States. Right. Like, RG a- aren't young people aren't attending church is often even the ones that are religious. I had an article about this, but we didn't go into it on the air at all, but it was in my show prep. A few weeks or months ago where the statistics are showing that young people millennials for, for instance, even jen's e once they get out of their household. So like if they were in a religious household growing up as soon as they get out, and they go off to college or move out, for whatever reason they just don't go to church. Anymore. The numbers of dropped off from what I understand, so they may still have harbor their own belief systems, but they're not going into the organized religion. We'll see what happens when this giant like Fiat currency, that bubble collapses, like, how this is IT changes in how people panic and like you go back to God. And really might I mean it could be a big step back for, for liberalism could be as we know it you raised in a religious household. I was raised in a I guess a Baptist church. Really? Yeah. It was southern Baptist southern Baptist in when I was well, I mean, Austin's of very large city have all kinds of churches, but the southern Baptist particular branch Branchville just and so okay, I was, but well, the church that I that I was apart of, was about this church until I was maybe six or seven and then it became a non denominational church at one of the ones with the humongous bathtub at the front, where they would like Lisa merge. I, I was the for the what is that called Baptist apt ISM? Yeah, it was a hot tub. Just like like they went to the hot tub store. But it was embedded into the stage. Okay. It was nice. Yeah, I had bad. Yeah. But jets. No, no, no. We're not Catholic. So the baby like. Babies are baptized in the Baptist religion when they're not bad taste. You have to wait until you're like thirteen fourteen you have to choose it choose. Oh, interesting. So they say I mean he was basically chosen for me. I didn't really know what was going on five beliefs that set Southern Baptists apart from American Baptists, apparently, there is a difference. It's not just being from the south like you could have a southern Baptist here New Hampshire. I guess, presumably called that because of the southern like the Baptists from the south have these different distinguishing properties. So are are Baptists generally against abortions. Is that why you brought this up Baptists are against like dancing, and alcohol all indulgence? So they're against their against sex. So you can't have an abortion because you can't have sex for recreation, right? Only married. People can can have sex. Yeah. Yeah. But not for fun, even as Mary. You can't have fun. Wow. That is. That's pretty much the stance. I had I had several friends who are kicked out of about high school and have find fun is not school dance dancing like music finitely. No, she's not like fun. Apparently. All right. 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Let's go to Ryan though. He's in Manchester New Hampshire watching us on YouTube, go ahead. Ryan. Taking my call. Just wanna say, Stephen and Derek are probably some of the coolest free talk live guests I've ever heard huge fan any pay. They're really nice guys out in Portsmouth. I. Yeah. Right. There's wish they live in Smith. Me too. Yeah. West. Manchester's. Where's that? So go ahead. Washington has been one of the one of the topics that's really pressed my libertarianism to the to the brink. Right. It's such a challenging issue. And I just wanted to get your opinions on what I think is kind of the crux of the argument, right? Which is when does a fetus become a baby. I kinda think of what Ron Paul said when he became pro-life, you know, as a physician, he saw a seven month abortion and the aborted fetus was being taken out. It was actually crying, and they just kind of put it into a bucket until it stopped crying. And there's, you know, huge chance that that could have been a viable, baby. But because the mother decided to board it right? It is that is that a murder it's tough to say, right? And if it is. Then what? Well, then I suppose that baby would have had rights violated. Right. It's right a life right property, and who, who exactly is standing up for those that person's rights. Well, I guess that's the question. Right. Well, if nobody cares about you. Do you even have any rights? Yes, I would say, so definitely so. How? How's that possible? Well, I suppose. Good question. I guess I would just do property rights as intrinsic to being human not necessarily something that's based on age or consciousness, right? Because we wouldn't consider someone who's in a vegetative state like someone who got into a car accident in the longer have rights. Well, if they don't have any friends or family members to decide who you know, if someone's going to pull the plug got no connections or anyone close to them. Whose decision is it that they live or die? I mean, who's supposed to put themselves out to save this life. I'm not sure. Yeah. And who has an obligation to save another one's life anyway? Like functionally rights are only things that you can secure for yourself. And if you're unable to secure your own life, then. You just die. So I'm going to answer the question it's been asked. I wanted you guys a shot at it here. I don't know. Don't know what the question the question was. When does when does life begin? That was his original question right Ryan. And I'm gonna say, I don't know. Oh, it's that inception. That's the answer. I mean it's pretty clear. But when does it become a human being at inception? That's when I mean, you combine like a human, a lot of people don't look human. Yeah. The reality is pretty simple. They human life begins at inception, people have rights from the beginning. But the thing is, if, if no one's there to fight for your rights, if nobody cares about you, and you die. Then that's very sad. But that's what happens. Ryan. What do you think I've been to, to somebody who aborts a fetus? Well, see, that's, that's a tough question. Right. Because should it be government prohibited? Or should it be, you know, privately shunned? It's, it's tough to say what, what the right decision is I, I would suppose if, if we can agree that baby or fetus, baby and baby of under the law. Yeah. Great. So then I don't think you would agree with that conclusion. But if, if someone did if we is society did agree that a baby, a fetus, baby, then that feed is should be protected and should have the right to not be aborted. Why? I mean, why should any person have that right? I mean, let's say they're a four year old. What right does that four year old have to, to sell to preservation beyond what they're themselves or their family can provide? Won't because that, that four your old owns themselves, and they. Can't provide for themselves own. Is a verb, right? How in what way does a four year old own themselves? Well, in the same way that you yourself and I owned myself. No, I, I put my own food and my mouth, I put my own roof over my head four year olds don't do conceptualize the idea of a four year old probably cannot. Yeah. Right. Right. What extent does a four year old take ownership of their own life? And is able to sustain themselves? They really are not able to sustain themselves can choose which toyed a play with on the playground. But that's about it. I think the, the answer that someone might give I'm not saying this is what I would say would be that one should empathize with the child that has no parents or has no one who loves or cares about that, that child that one should be able to put oneself in that child shoes say in that circumstance, one would want someone to sweep them up and take care of them whoever that I think that's a that seems nice on the surface. But I think there is something wrong really self-destructive because if that's your position than you've got that times Infinity in the case of all the Jetsons. In case of all the foster kids in the case of humane society and all the kittens that need your help, and all people who want welfare can't take themselves. If you take that position, it's self destructive. There's no end to it. Couldn't do it. You can't couldn't say the whole world you can only save yourself in the people around, you frankly prohibition. But. Like, what's useful to do if you want to limit abortions is it even useful to ban them? Not like so it doesn't even matter this whole discussion of wind is life is created. Doesn't matter at all. That's how do you reduce abortions? If you're if you're against them, and obviously prohibition is not a way to reduce the best bet. You got there, persuasion and money. Call tonight by the baby Ryan. I appreciate it. But again, you know, you're gonna run out of money, real fast because there's a lot of kids that need help out there. Thanks for that more coming up here. You can share your thoughts on free talk live. Do you feel like many of us all the distractions and the world taking our minds and focus off what really needs to get done day today? Well gymnast has dietary supplement called mind help with middle distraction, and it supports memory function. Go to life dot com now to check it out. You're only at your best when your mind is at its best go to G C N life. 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Nice because because I don't believe that's the case. And if it were the case, then if there was some homeless person in the street you could easily go up there, just stabbed the heck out of them and walk away, because he has no, right. But you could if no one cared about him. I mean what happens when the homeless person who? Right. Homeless person has no family that anybody knows nobody knows who the person is they don't have any friends except for whoever might be in the homeless camp with them at the time. And if the cops find a dead homeless person, how much effort do they really put into solving that crime, if they don't care about them. None, I am not saying that you couldn't get away with violating that person's rights, but he still possesses those rights, by the fact that he is a human being now, whether you can get away with violating his rights is totally different argument. Okay. So, so the rights exist, they expect this, this. I mean they're they're basically agreement between humans. Right. I mean, that's what rights are good one good agreement. And if you would if you would ask that homeless guy if he has a right to exist, he would say, yes, but if he didn't have the power to stop you from killing him that doesn't mean that his rights did not exist. It only means that you are guilty of violating his rights. That's all. Do you think that a person has just say sorry, go ahead? I'm waiting. Well, do you think that a person has to at least be able to conceive of rights in order to have them like this? Because then then beans mentally retarded, people don't have rights. So I know I know people have mentally retarded children. They take here dogs, but so those people with mental disabilities have families who care about them. So maybe those, those rights are sort of, like what's it called trans? Pretender rights are not in Herrin to people rights are a social construct that we give to each other. It's a good one. It's a great thing claiming. That's what you're claiming but you could be wrong. I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong about that look rights. It's a meaningless thing, it doesn't exist in the actual physical world is an idea to social thing that we, we give to each other. They're great for anyone to claim that they're right on things kind of a lot of who Bris because you don't know, for sure you're right. That is your belief system. And you believe you're right. I have my belief system and I believe I'm right. But I at least admit that I could be wrong. Well, how could you not even admitting that rights, exist? If what you're saying is rights exists evidence. How can you measure a right? Like, what instrument would you use to, to observe a right and measure, it using some kind of scientific process? Well with rights, you're not gonna get scientific process just like with love. You're not gonna get scientific process. Try and prove through science that love exists at the very least I think show chemical changes with love. Right. Like you could measure that in someone's body when their show that by eating sugar to or you know. All right. These are all observable changes bridge rights are concept, right. Okay. So great. Yeah. So there we go. Love is measurable, perhaps. No, it isn't measure. I'm saying it is. There you go. Okay. Ask any science. Scientists how they are going to measure up and they're going to come up with. They're not going to come up with. They're going to have some experience. They would run just because you say it can be measured doesn't make it. So now rights came from somewhere. Now, they're either I believe they come from our creator, by the very nature of the fact that we're human. But some people believe that rights come from the fact that we have is social construct that allows for people to imagine these things. Okay. So either way, the rights are there, because of your humanity, the fact that you're human now, some people want to extend that to animals, but I don't think that you have very good argument there. But you do with good argument for saying that humans have rights because of their humor. Hannity, if that's the case, then you can't say that only. They only position it circular reasoning. But if there was only one human you wouldn't have rights, because they're things that we give each other. Yeah. By the way, gene, did just quick search here. I fell science dot com. Headline brain scans can now detect if you're in love the story from when, but it says here that after scanning the brains of a hundred students third of whom were hopelessly in love with someone. Scientists have managed to reveal some of the changes in brain activity that are related to love those smitten with someone showed increased neuronal activity in several brain regions. So I mean, this is a simple matter of, you know, scanning brains. Maybe it would be with writes, maybe that's the thing that you can observe when, when someone's granting a right to another maybe scientific way yet, I'll bet you any money that those brain scan results could also be duplicated showing something else. So to say that they're conclusively this. It's just the study. Thank you for the call tonight Jeanne. I do have a lot to learn about the brain. Yeah. This true, eight fifty five four fifty free. That's and, you know, like you said, maybe they'll discover that rights are serviceable in the brains, but not yet at least more on the way here, this is free. Talk live. Would you like to hang out with pen Gillette? He's keynoting freedom fest this year for one in thrilled. Freedom fest as the largest liberty oriented gathering in the world. 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So you can have this install on more than one device in super easy to do. Just search for any pay in the other other words, they should add to because any pay any pay you're gonna find it. You'll know currencies. There's that other the number one rated number one most downloaded any pay is a beautiful check, Mark logo. Okay. Good. Any pay check him out. I love it. Use it all the time here in keying, the crypto mecca. So let's go to Brian on the line in Wisconsin. You're on free talk live listening. The tune-in. Hi. How's it going Ryan? You're on the air. Hello. Are you there? Can you hear me right here? We've got you loud and clear, hopefully you can hear us. Yeah. All right. So in, I think it was the previous segment you guys were talking about how rights could be measured by how much other people care about you. Yeah. Maybe to some degree. We're saying that other people give you those rights, okay? So sorry I got sniffles. So I just wanted to know what your thoughts were about, like, when abortions happen, and maybe the father doesn't want the child to be aborted and cares about, like maybe deeply in love with his child that isn't born yet. Men, that's tragic all that. That's the case where someone cares deeply about the person whose rights are being violated. I think that person would have a real claim for a crime having been committed against Dame of the person. I'm actually like I am pro choice. But I mean that. Suck if that does happen. Isn't that a crime? I mean, I would say you would have you'd have a good claim that. Someone the pay these, these are actually going into court recently, I read about some cases where guys were were suing the, the, the, the girl that they knocked up, and I think we're having ever having an abortion when they said that they don't want it, and who knows what the common law is going to really say, this Derek might be right that this is a crime, because this guy does care. And he's an immediately immediate family member. Now, personally, look I find it pretty ridiculous that a guy thinks that he has some sort of say over what happens inside another person's body that I'm not saying you said that. Yeah. But that's basically what these guys are suggesting is that they should have some sort of say over whether or not this woman can make a decision, who they decided to impre was there fall. Look, guys, you gotta will void sticking it in crazy. Well, exactly. There's consequences that come from that. Yeah. And, and this is one of them. And look, you know, either way the guy never has to carry this thing to term, so they don't have to deal with health risk from this could literally kill the girl she could die in history. So many women have died from childbirth, like, well pretty unlikely and modern day. What about this though? New think that it's since pregnancy is such a dangerous thing and could be a health hazard that guy could have the right to terminate the child at all. Absolutely way. What, what do you mean? No one has a right to stick a sharp instrument inside the body of. Let's say you can't force anyone to do you can't commit fraud against someone gave up the sperm. It's out of your hands. Yeah. Yeah. You have the right to NAS Jackie late in. Thank you for the call tonight there. Yeah. You can you. That's what you wanted. We can't talk about that on the radio in great detail. But yeah. Thank you for that. So Saint Louis you had the story J on Moore. I if there's more that you feel is worth sharing because I've got the story here. I don't cover it in yours, where they're interviewing the clinics in Wichita and in granite city Illinois, where they're saying here at the trust women clinic in Wichita they already are so busy. They have to fly in doctors, my goodness. So this is going to they're like they don't know where they're going to find the time. They got to raise the prices. Yeah. Yeah. Expand the operation. Yeah. Yeah. Get this out of the hands of Planned Parenthood. That's probably the first thing to do, because it's wrong that anyone who doesn't want to be paying for this service is forced to that's true. That's the libertarian. I think that the best libertarian position on this is that the government should not be involved in paying four or prohibiting abortion. Yeah, I think a lot of pieces would fall into place, if you got that out of the way because then you've got church. Groups that would go to these women who say, like, hey look, you one of an abortion writing, but we'll, we've got a bunch of people with who donate a lot of money or church and they would just gladly pay. Keep this baby. Bring it to term. We'll put it up. Fern a nice family for adoption or whatever. And then you get some it's weird to say this, but you get some financial incentives behind actually keeping a life, then that's gonna end you mind financial incentive to just have more babies like if you're like, Sarah will this church community is going to take care of me if I get pregnant. Yeah, no make them feel guilty. That's what you have. Now, you have an endless supply of funds in the form of Planned Parenthood and federal funding to emotionally private funding. Planned Parenthood is actually probably small fraction was going to say that I think Planned Parenthood will be just fine. It's NPR. Realized that I don't need taxes. Okay. I don't know what the portion is. I honestly don't. But I've, I've supported them privately when I've gone, I needed S T tests done. I'm gonna Planned Parenthood night in great me, too. They got other things they do, right. Like it's not just abortion, one of the things that they do. I guess the point was, I would like to see more of market for abortions, because I think we'll get a more ethical and more open transparent system that produces better outcomes you wanna market. You gotta get rid of occupational licensing, like zuri, who allow license concept. You gotta get rid of that whole concept together, absolute bigger problem, but it applies to abortions here and it's awful. Yeah, I think that's true. And by the way, you can hear Rich Paul talking loudly in the background. I don't know if, if, if our listeners can it at home, but coming up in just a few moments on our video feeds over at D live end on FM. And at twitched on L R, N dot FM, believe, rich and aria are going to be coming up for an episode of freer talk live coming in moments where they can talk more about sexual things. We cannot cover on broadcast radio and they can say words, they'll say do, though. Oh, I suspect, they will they're planning on a show with are saying it that into it. Yeah. But you got you got a little more explicit. For sure on that show because it's on the internet only so we don't have to deal with pesky FCC getting in the way. And there's still just a few things you can't say, but there's way more that you can on these different platforms. So be sure if you haven't yet to go and follow us on D live dot L. R N dot FM, and that is our newest video streaming platform. It's purportedly decentralized, but we're not so sure about that. And then twitch dot L dot FM as well is not it's not looking that way. No. At this point I would love for it to become decentralized. I don't know how to do that on. 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He played his entire sixteen year career with Green Bay in as one of the most beloved players, the NFL has ever seen is game winning quarterback. Sneak in the ice bowl is immortalized in the great moments of NFL history, starlet, one of sport's. Most famous dynasties the nineteen sixty Packers to five NFL championships. He also was MVP of Super Bowls one and two in Super Bowl. One he threw two touchdown passes as the Packers rolled to thirty five ten win over Kansas City, the winning Super Bowl. Too was big because it ended up being the Vince Lombardi's final game as a coach of the Packers star was nearly unstoppable in the postseason in ten career playoff games. He led the Packers to a. Nine and one record star started his pro career after being drafted in the seventeenth round out of the university of Alabama and he was an unlikely star for Lombardi's Packers. There were even doubts Lombardi was going to keep him on the team when he took over star was also unlikely match for Lombardy because the men were much different star was always known for being calm and polite. Man. Lombardi was never known for being calm Lombardi once yelled at star in front of the team star asked if the coach could criticize him privately, if he needed to all because he couldn't lead team if the coach was going to undermine him like that. Lombardi didn't yell at star in front of the team ever again. And the two went onto become arguably the most successful coach quarterback combination and NFL history after he retired as a player he came back and coach the Packers for nine seasons. Aaron Rogers once said it's about respecting guys who played before and Bard is that guy? Me. He's a perfect example of what it means to be an incredible player. But a better person as young sportscaster, working with CBS network. Sports. I got to meet no bar, while covering the NFL is talent, and accomplishments, or well acknowledged, but it was his grace, kindness and sense of humanity. That I'll never forget his family said in a statement while he may always be best known for his success as the Packers quarterback for sixteen years. His true legacy will always be the respectful manner in which he treated every person, he met his humble demeanor and his generous, spirit that was Bart star. When I launched sports, byline USA in nineteen eighty eight Bart Starr was one of my, I guess, when we continue on sports by line I'll share with you. My interview with Bart Starr, truly a great person and a great player. New shelve e power nitro plus premium gasoline is engineered with four levels of defense against. Where corrosion and friction. It's sort of like having ninjas protect your engine that helps keep your engine running like new new shell v. Power nitro plus premium gasoline. 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I'll tell you and you sound like you're in the other room. Great connection. When you take a look at your career, how would you best some of those years that you spent Green Bay uniform what I'd have to begin with fortunate or lucky because I was privileged to play with a group of men was coached by one of the most outstanding coaches of all time. And I was very very fortunate. I think when you're able to win and, and sustain it winning over a long period of time, there, many reasons for it, but one of those which, I don't believe gets enough notices that we were collectively, I think very unselfish group of people and when everyone is willing to subordinate their own individual Zeise goes for the good of the cause or the team, you're able to do that. And that's what permeated our place for a long, long time. And all of us learn many lessons as result of that is that a bygone philosophy and professional football. These days, I don't think so. I think that obviously though society changes in the game changes that when you get right down to it, you have to have the, the intricacies that are part of team. Teamwork in order to win. And as long as the game is played, I believe that's going to be one of the, the bedrocks, it'll maybe to win. And, and as I said earlier to sustain it winning. It's interesting in your book football. Say in the very beginning of your introduction. Microcosm of my football, life occurred in Green Bay Wisconsin on December thirty first nineteen sixty seven during three hours an Arctic sheet of frozen turf. I encountered, add adversity elation despair, and exhilaration humiliation would arrive sixteen years later, can you explain that humiliation referred to the losing our coaching positions there when as a staff, we were dismissed athlete? I eighty three season and the elation was all in that one afternoon in that game against the Dallas Cowboys as well as those other statements that we made it, they were all combine the they were part of that particular after noon, because, as you remember it was a very hard fought extremely bitter cold bay. And, and I think that all of those words that were listed there were part of that day's action. One of the things that you talk about, and you give a different kind of looked Vince Lombardi in your book. You certainly did stand up to him. We're a lot of people thought maybe you were kind of a puppet to him at times. But I I really felt that you looked upon him in a fatherly way. Is that a fair assessment? It's very fair assessment because I in working with him for a number of years felt as though I were reliving some of my experiences with my own bed. Both of those men were influenced by military, man, my dad was a career Master Sergeant air force and Lombardi as you remember spent several years at West Point as an assistant, working under coach red Blake and read Blake was directly as he's noted many times, very positively affected by General Douglas MacArthur, so many of the things that I heard, or said or emphasized, it was almost as days who, I'd heard them from my father before one of the other things that you mentioned about your dad, and I it really kinda jumped out of that chapter to me was about the fact that you were playing sandlot baseball game. And your dad came over to see how. How much you had developed and he wasn't aware of the fact that you were playing with, with black kids any Yankee right off the field. And you say later on it was not until you, you've got to Green Bay when he got a chance to know some of your black teammates on the Packers that he became actually became a little more open minded. That's a true story. I was in Detroit Michigan or suburb and e course Michigan playing when I was a youngster about twelve years old. And that's exactly as you have reiterated if there it was a, it was a rather strange happening. It never heard to me before and a low. My dad was in the military at the time. And I thought of very objective person. I think he just didn't didn't didn't really appreciate what, what was happening at the time and later as I said it was, it was totally different. My dad was not a racist. But at the time I think he just thought it was inappropriate. The fact that Lombardi was the type of man that he was did it make it easier for you to transition to professional football. I mean you must have gone from one father to another in a sense. It was it was easy. He was very tough and demanding and all the things that you've read about it, but he was also extremely fair and directing, you knew exactly where you stood with him on every issue. He talked very direct terms and I liked that. Plus, he was an outstanding teacher to great pride in his teaching ability, new game very, very well. And I could hardly wait from day to day to go to the classroom, and then go to the clan, go out on the practice field and put the things that we learned in class, in the action out of Alabama's the seventeenth round draft choice. And I suppose you along with Johnny United. So the most heralded low round draft choices ever make it big in the National Football League how much of your success and maybe some degree United success later on in his career was the fact that you've. Found yourself in the right system, or with the right coach with the right person that kind of allowed you to bud and become successful, actually question I can't speak for John. Although I think is his response would be similar to mine, but it was everything to my career. I think I fitted well with coach Lombardi though the system was ideal for me. And I don't believe that I could have been successful in some of the system I was in hours. I mean that sincerely, and so I was very fortunate that, that system really helped me as I grew in develop as a player, it's to be interesting because we hear a lot of Joe Montana. Of course it was third round draft choice out of Notre Dame with the San Francisco forty Niners. And there are some people say he doesn't have the strong arm, but you put him in Bill walls type of system, and he has been so successful. And I'm just wondering whether the NFL, even if it was back at your time or even now tends to to what do I wanna say, categorize players and say, if you don't particular? Mode. You're not going to be successful. Sometimes we can get or become trapped into that run. Yes. But I certainly would dispute anyone that says, Montana's not have a strong arm. He may not have have a rocket arm Elway or someone like that. But, but how many do, but his arm is a very strong arm size that he is. And all you have to do is look at how well he was able to throw the ball and it was bitter conditions in Chicago week ago and I think you can get some idea of how good he is. I also feel that or at least, I've had some coaches say, you know, that play calling is not, not brain surgery and everything how much is it to, to calling plays you certainly did. But nowadays, we see taken out of the hands of the NFL quarterback. Well, I think the approach taken today as the correct when the game has become extremely sophisticated as all of your listeners know it's also a game of unique down and distances. It's situation substitutional. Every down. And I believe that if you can assist the quarterback and help him so that he can concentrate on performance on execution. Then you've relieved him of a great many things. I think it's also imperative though that he is obviously given and told to our allies out of unfavorable situations which might develop based on what they're calling. And so he really does have a lot of flexibility. But I believe that the way the game has handled from the sidelines upstairs to him, is the way to go today. Tell you what. When I stop to think of professional football these days and something like like a Bill Walsh and what he has done with his system. Are we seeing the wheel somewhat reinvented in professional football or just as a refinement of some of the things that were very successful in the past? I don't believe we reinvent anything. But I certainly would think that refinement might be an understatement, because he is just incredible as are many others where we're seeing some things that are just truly unique. I think that Sam Weiss one of his students who's going up against the Super Bowl has done a marvelous job that Cincinnati. And it it's it never ceases to amaze me, Ron, how clever imaginative and creative coaches can be when simply given the time to, to work in developing a system as those to have and many others all stars with sports. On USA, if you like to jump on the lines as we take a break here toll free to you across the country. I'm Ron bar, and you're listening to sports. Byline. USA. Imagine this is your money and someone wants to take it from you who is it the IRS they want your money? And guess what? They can legally take it all of it, if they want, remember they sent you that letter that said, hey, a bunch of cash and we're going to take it from you. So what do you do fightback by letting our team of experts at tax helpline work it out with the IRS so you can keep your money, and we're good. At what we do, when you hire us you get a team of guys on your side. No, the IRS laws and will fight to save your money. 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They've now lost six in a row while Miami has righted their ship as they won. Eight out of eleven they beat San Francisco. Eleven to three Miami. Hit three home runs Cooper, had a home run and three Rb is over on the American League sign in a makeup of rained out game, the White Sox swept the pair from Kansas City in the first one, they wanted to, to one as Wilson. Drove in the winning run in the fourth inning. And then in the nightcap Chicago wins at on Sanchez ninth inning RBI hit. So it was two one and four three White Sox San Diego edge. The Yankees five. Four. It was only the third loss and eleven games for the New Yorkers. The pod started out quickly with four. In the first Haas. Mer home run, and three RV is and also Detroit blanking Baltimore that final was three nothing Boyd and four relievers combined for the shutout. Good drum went deep with a home run. And that stops Detroit's three game losing streak. And also one other game on the schedule Tampa Bay over Toronto three to one. That was the final razor, fourteen games over five hundred now as four relievers held the Jays to just six hits Garcia and meadows also went deep and that your sports update. We love watching sports, but these days, it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games. Now with a new sport flip app. You can receive real time customize notification. So, you know, when you're games are back after commercial break, period, change or rain delay. Download sport flip from the app store today and watch more sports bar. And Barth, Dr visiting with us on this first our sports. Byline USA. We'll let you talk with hall of Famer Bart star barn. I have a lot more questions. I'd like to ask, but we have some fans would like to talk to you around the country and accords Washington Jason go ahead. Jason. Jason. How are you? Like watching forty tonight, is what was your most exciting team? But you played it. If I had a big one and obviously, that's very difficult over seventeen year career, I would pick the ice bowl against Dallas because of what it meant to enable us to win three consecutive championships. Jason. It was obviously great deal at stake that day. And if I had to reduce it to one that would be the one, I pick, I think, thank you. The other ocean township, New Jersey Harry, go ahead. Hi. Hi. Hi, Harry, how are you Frank? I've always been impressed with the way, you've conducted yourself or enough to feel. Thank you. I'm gonna bring happy memories right now in your senior season. Alabama fifty five the team Owen ten. That's right. What happened? Well, there was a coaching change. And for whatever reason the income coach felt that has seniors probably just going to play out the string that year. And so he benched most of us went with his younger players. We sat there and watched ourselves become mired in that kind of record when was worth really that poor coach. No, I don't think he was, I think that was just simply something he thought was right at the time and I'm not second guessing him. He was a coach. And it was a pleasant situation for us very degrading. But I won't take any credit any of that. Because most of us are sitting on the bench, most of that year. I didn't I did not know that I have trying to find out what the corvette was. He went with a lot of his younger players. I think if persons coming in to clean house, he may overlook or look past some of his senior players. And that's where many of us caught ourselves. There were some who played very few right? You're welcome. Good luck to you. How much truth is there to at Bart that a player or coach? I should say, like a Walsh goes out and recruits or or drafts players I should say in this case that he is comfortable with that have the same type of philosophy. I think of Lombardy and I think of all the players that you had his teammates and they seem to all fit in with the Lombardi philosophy. I think Bill Walsh, and I see the same thing with the San Francisco forty Niners and his people should say that a marvelous job of sustaining winning over period of time and they've, obviously drafted. Well, I think you have to have a philosophy about drafting about playing about coaching and they follow. There's very very well. And I think that the performance of their players indicates that and it's a credit to them that they're able to get the kind of people who fit that philosophy for them. Exactly what Vincent, generally speaking. But I think a lot of. People perhaps misunderstood him. He, he didn't have a bunch of robots running around out there. But any imagination fact, I think that it was the price some of your listeners to know that he really liked people who were perhaps a little bit rebellious or wanted to go their own way at times. I know that max McGee and Paul Hornung too great examples, but they were others who not stand up to him as a poor description, but who challenged at time or who would break curfew just they go and pay the fine. But he knew they were going out. They just wanted to go do it. Twenty can't wants to ice and they would, and I think he actually welcome that because it was a it was a nice refreshing change of pace for, for some of the others us. What did you do there? Several mentions of it in the book. Well again, I think there's a an understanding of what you're doing. And it simply standing up for something or being heard about something that you believe is right. And I think people respect you for that. And I think that all of us have an opportunity or have an occasion, I should say at times when we'd need to, and I felt I did because I was attempting to be the type of leader that he wanted, and I didn't feel that I was capable of doing that, if he was going to berate me in front of the others, and then discover that maybe he was in air and then correct me in the privacy of his office. I just didn't feel that was fair, and that's what I told, and it was interesting because he realized he was wrong. And after that he never took that approach again. Love hate relationship with. No, I wouldn't call it at that at all. We, we respected him there were times when I think that we thought perhaps he was wrong, by the way, you would jump on us to on us. But inevitably the man was right. He he was not inappropriate. When he said something you check it out in the films later. He was right. Difficult for you to take that job in Green Bay. And then as you've already said fail in the very end. Well, it was difficult, obviously leading, and we felt that we were growing coming as a staff, and that was disappointing but those things happen to you life, your listeners out there. I'm sure suffered things that have been very disappointing to them. But you have to rebound from those, and I found coaching in, in Green Bay unique challenge, but also something that was had a sort of a hidden plus going for you. That was a tradition. That was a lot of people said, well, it was, it was difficult following in the in the shadow of someone like Lombardi, not always say, no, because I think, anytime you have history and tradition on your side. That's a real, plus you know, you have said to me in previous conversations that really the early major regret. I think in coaching in what happened. Green Bay was the fact that you made some mistakes in which you, you really trust it in some other people instead of going with. Your own basic instincts. I was an experience when I came in rod shared this, I think, for example, for dick Romeo. They've come into Green Bay. He would've won with them much sooner than I did because of his experience, I lacked coaching experience and it showed and just about the time I was becoming a good coach is when we were longer there, but that's passed. And I just think that because I lacked experience I probably place too much, faith, and trust in someone else and felt that they knew more than I did. Because they've been around long and I had got feelings about certain things, and I should follow those instincts mentioned about the fact that after you were going Green Bay. It was very difficult for you to deal with the handle that you were kind of in a fog, where you're not. Oh, sure I've never been fired or anything in my life and give it my best shot, and it was it was very tough to overcome. It took me quite a while come out of that. What was the story you were sharing with me one time about going to the airport? I believe in somebody extending their hand out and recognizing you. I'm just recalling from the recesses of my mind now was several days after the. The announced release and I was on my way out of town. And I had not really been out in public like that. And I was on my way out of the green, but airport at a busy time of the morning, it didn't hit me into out of the car and begin to walk away and into the airport that holy mackerel. I'm going to see all these people for the first time, what are they going to say, what's their reaction and almost turned around with back to the car? But then just did a person there at the door extended his hand said some nice things which me we said he was sorry to hear about it. And, you know, just shake it off. And we done a good job so whatever. And he just made me feel better. And from then on, I was fine. But it was that, that initial contact I guess what helped me. You know, the interesting thing about you. We've talked on several occasions and even sitting here three thousand miles away from you. You talked candidly, you talk openly, and I think there are people that certainly when you say the name, Bart Starr, have the image of great superstar great athlete, and. That you've already heard from one of our callers, a very nice person. How is it that you can be so open about your successes as well as your failures? If you're honest with yourself, Ron and recognize that you're going to have some setbacks in life or can have some not necessarily going have ended, but you could have some and if you've done the best that you can you don't have to be ashamed of that. There's a there's a huge difference in failing at something and picturing yourself as a phaser, I think the ladder is simply a, a mindset, and I think that could be disastrous to anyone any of us can air, ten fail because we're human, but that does not make us a failure. It's just simply a, a step backward, and we have to correct it, and perhaps, make even the sidestep and then continue. When I take a look at the names like rain. It's key her badly, Jerry Kramer, Jim Ringo forest rig Jim Taylor, Paul Horning, and the others. Is there any common thread between? All of you guys why you know when you talk about great teams bar teams that have stayed together, not only when they were playing together, but years afterward. There is only one name that comes comes to the forefront and that is Green Bay. Well, yes, there are some common threads. I don't think there's just one that there, there are several but I don't wanna earlier of total teamwork run and I can't overemphasize that you can win individually at times, and sometimes you can win for a while that way. But you will not sustain it over a long period of time. And ultimately the team or the group who is capable of doing it is the one that that will win and win consistently. In addition. I think there was a great deal of pride of respect for one another. There was a heist. Work ethic I've ever seen. And that was a reflection of Lombardi, we enjoyed practicing. We worked extremely are. We took great pride and being champion and, and attempting to defend that crown the next year. And so there were many, I think characteristics of, of that team ran for all of us. Okay. Hold on just a moment. Bart? We'll take a quick time out right here. We'll continue in just a moment. If you'd like to talk to Bart star he's available to you on sports. Byline USA tonight. I'm Ron bar, and you're listening to sports. Byline. USA. 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This is America's sports talk show sports. Byline USA. Here's run. In Bart star, visiting with this first, our sports byline USA bar. Let's go to Pell Myra, New York, Mike, go ahead. You're on if I wanted to keep a couple of questions, number one the problems that line allowed ridge and also Travis Williams have had. And I'm sure you're familiar with those Travis Williams being a homeless person in the problems, Atlanta Aldridge head, and he came back from those things such site group in sharing such a fantastic success with a Super Bowl championships that you had. How did that affect many of the players on the team including yourself those problems began course after we had one those championships. And in lions case we attempted to help him several of us did. And perhaps he was wrestling with himself by or who knows what he was going through with time but he almost was ignoring us, or voiding us, because we, we were unable to. He reached a. Point where we could at least begin to talk to him and, and but he had to hit rock bottom, and then come back up with his, his mental problems with respect to Travis. I'm not certain exactly what happened, but most of his problems began after he was traded to the Rams from Green Bay. He did not have those problems when he was with Packers. And so we were out of touch with him, and then I was so out of touch personal. I did not know of some of his problems on two years later. I also wanted to ask you being drafted a player getting drafted by a team such as Green Bay one of the smallest markets. It's not the smallest in the NFL how difficult is for player not only coming into Green Bay. But also for a black player who has to come into a place like Green Bay, where they're just not a large black population is very difficult for the players when they get in there. And sometimes it's too much of an adjustment. I don't think it's too much of an adjustment. But yes, it is tough. And I think at some. Thing that every year has to be addressed. And there has to be a tension given to that. So that if there is a way to help that in some fashion that every effort is made to do. So that's, that's the negative side of the plus side is it's a terrific community. Really is people very open very friendly, very accommodating, and because they're not a lot of blacks in the community, the blacks on your football team, become very close, because they're forced to Societa to be around each other a lot in order to seek one another's company. So there is a real plus to that as well. Well, I think you're an inspiration to everyone the way you've come through all your problems. And thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks for calling, by the way, when you take a look at the contemporary black athlete that might be playing for the Green Bay Packers. And you take a look at the ones that your teammates. Why have have they had problems up there in recent years compared to win? You know, you had your black teammate. I can't answer that we didn't have any. When we were coaching there and we didn't have anyone I was a player there. So I really don't know I have not been there and over five years. My wife and I've been living in Phoenix and so run. I just don't know it's unfortunate, but I can't answer that. I just don't have an answer for it. You know, I also thought another characteristic was honesty. I agree. And that's again, I could be reflection of Lombardi, as I mentioned earlier, this is your show tonight, how direct and blunt and Kennedy was and the man was very honest. You ask him a question. You got an answer. Let's take another call. Larry going in early. Next question there's been discussion about, especially our forty Niners team of the decade. Discusses great teams. Barth about some of the teams attackers in the sixties typically of the sixty two only one more year and how it rake that team against the other great individual teams out the history of the NFL. Well, as you know, Larry, it's difficult to rank teams from different eras or even within a decade against others because of so many intangibles. But I think anytime you have championship teams there are obviously, or there is a away that you could say that they would stack up against someone else. And that's exactly where I'd put us and all of the sixty two team did not lose say I'm having trouble my waiting for second. Only lost one game. I think that you're we may have even had a, a stronger team at a couple of other times, but it was very good team. And I'd I'd rank it right there with any other championships. Fifty two certainly stands out. I, I know that the outstanding off in defense, which is to Mark the great team. I mean have been great teams. It's out water, the other, but that teaches had been in the continent, defense fortunate. You're right. We had great balance here. Jump in here with start the let me switch gears. And I know you'll talk candidly, about this, the loss of your son here within the past year. I don't know because I met you down. I guess last March, and we talked and we spent some time together. I felt a loss myself and I never knew your son, but I knew your family, and I knew how did you deal with that? And what were the circumstances around all of that? Number one, Ron, we have been very open about his problem prior to his death that did not surface after his death. He wanted it that way we had chosen to, to take that approach, because we were hopeful that his problem in the exposure that problem, which was cocaine addiction could help someone else, obviously, after his death, we were just staggered because we thought he had made some real progress. We know for a fact that he had been cleaned for over twenty months, and perhaps that there's a lesson in that in that when I talked to a medical examiner. Hillsborough County Down in Tampa, Florida. He told me without exception that only traces were found in his system, but he said, Barth. The lesson here is traces can kill. He said, you did not have to overdose said most people just don't understand that. So there's a vital lesson right there. And he said, people talk about why only use it recreationally. He said, recreationally continue. And so there were some very valuable lessons. It came out of it, and we've tried to tape that wherever we could and wherever we've spoken or worked with drug awareness groups. And so hopefully, we've reached some people that perhaps, even say their lives is there, the tendency and being here to, to look within yourself as to what did I do? Or what could I have done? More to maybe present preventative. Absolutely. And I think that's one of the things that people who have suffered with their youngsters or with a mate tend to I, you, you second guess, yourself and wonder where you went wrong, and most counselors will advise you that in most cases unless you yourself were the cause of the problem that you simply have to get away from that type of thinking, and, and not blame yourself. Because if you've made an honest effort to do the best that you could simply can't afford. Take that approach, did you ever feel that the years that you spent with playing as far as coaching might have led in any way? Did you try to analyze that in any way? Sure did. Because although I felt I spent as much time as I could with youngsters we have one who's thirty one is a tax attorney Nashville, Tennessee. And if I put a piece of granite in front of you, and you carve out the ideal young man. You'd want for your son. You've come with ours. I mean he is I could not ask for more than what we have there, and it was the sun who drew up in the same family, same environment, so forth. And had these problems. So I looked at my own career and time away from home and what I was doing and I guess a million ways of what I'd done wrong. How could've corrected it is. There is a real problem for children who have famous parents Namus, bothers legends in a sense, and I'm sure in the environment, and the small community of Green Bay, Wisconsin. The name Bart Starr's his legend. I certainly think it's possible. It's. It's not a cop out and shouldn't be because there are some who would refute that and, and, and never had any problems, and his particular case, it might well have been oldest son experience, mostly success and joy and happiness, because we were winning. I was playing and he was leaving home just as I began going to college just as I began coaching. So he wasn't exposed to that, that much and here along came out other son at the most impressionable years of his life, I was coaching. We were losing a lot of negative things being said and, and it was an entirely different environment. So perhaps that did impact on what is your thought about what the NFL is doing in dealing with the drug situation. Now, I think they're ten is good. I, I think that it needs to be much harsher. I think it needs to be much more demanding and I think that the approach should be such that we get attention to the players lot sooner. I don't think it has nearly severe enough and I'd like to see that change, and hopefully in a in a new collective. Getting agreement, we can have more input and more responsibility, taken by the players association and the players themselves and by management, so that we do not allow practically three and four time violations before the person's tossed out of the league, I don't think that's necessarily, you get their attention. They understand coming in what the rules are and violated once and find you go get your treatment, and we take care of you and so forth violated a second time. They toss you out. I think you'd see the end of it. Keep doing. My name is Ken from San Francisco and just going to ask for star. I read the few books about the great Packer teams of the sixties, and it's incredible. How those players once they got out of football house. They went on to really do well, and you know, life after football, whether they start businesses, it became executives, people, like Willie Davis and actually and bar star self and so forth. And I was wondering there's a lot of other players. I read about I can't think of offhand, but just wondering, do you, think Mr. Vince Lombardi has something to do with that, when he coached you guys that he like instill confidence in you or two? He possibly, you know, teach you guys something just live for just about character. That's an excellent statement. You just made there because he never talked in terms of football talked in terms of life. And he reduced it to in a way that you recognize that you were doing it with people, and people were the key to it. And if you had good people who are willing to commit themselves to cause have an outstanding attitude set worth worthy. And yet lofty goals and go about establishing a solid game plan on how to get there that you can reduce successive to those ingredients, and then go out and succeed, and we learn that over and over and over again. And as a result as you said. Many of the people went out and did exactly that walks and fields of life. Also are nothing really kind of baffles me. I heard that all those great players out of all of them. There wasn't one single number one draft pick on those, you know, originally whether there were drafted by the Packers or other teams like Paul morning in other players. Jim Taylor vaccine hurt that not even one of them was a number-one drastic originally that true though, there were a lot of number one picks you just mentioned, one Paul Horning law's number one pick a Heison trophy winner. So they were a lot of number one picks on those teams. But then also some others as well as you winning from the game. And you look at it from the outside over all the years that you were involved with football, whether it be the college level or at the professional level. What in Athens did it give you? A desire to excel, I think when you're competing against the best that there is to offer that you wanna raise yourself notches above what you might otherwise be content to be go out and be the best that you can. The army has great slow and be all that you could be say nine tenths or seven eighths, or three quarters all, and I think all of us take that approach and just simply give everything that we have whatever we're doing the rest of it'll take care of itself. Late on the east coast. Good to talk to you again. We'll be back down in Arizona with our show. We hope to have a chance to say hi to you, and your lovely wife, Tyrian, get out on the tennis, court and hit the ball again. Okay. I'd like to good luck to you. Thank you, sir. Take care of yourself. All right. Hall of Famer Bart star this first hour with sports, byline USA. And I think one of the earlier callers said not only a fine athlete on the field, but a fine gentlemen off of it. I'm Ron VAR. You're listening to the sports byline USA. 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The Bod started quickly scoring four times in the first Hossam with the big hit a three run shot, Detroit blanking, Baltimore three to nothing Boyd and four relievers combined for that, shutout goodra Mahomes stopping Detroit three game losing streak. It was Tampa Bay three one over Toronto as the razor now, fourteen games over five hundred four relievers held the Jays to six hits and Garcia and meadows, both went deep and Minnesota picks up another win by three over Milwaukee. They broke this one open. When they scored all five of those runs in the seventh in. Inning. And resort hit resign hit home run number seventeen over on the National League side. All Cincinnati, eleven six over Pittsburgh, reg jumped out to attend nothing lead with a five run fifth Dietrich three three home runs and six Rb is also Philadelphia, four three over Saint Louis fills out hit the cards, eight four and they went on Hernandez to run shout in the fourth giants lose their six than a row, as they were founded by AMI eleven to three in Washington edged Atlanta five four the final there and that just sports update. We love watching sports, but these days, it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games. Now with a new sport flip app. You can receive real time customize notification. So, you know, when you're games are back after commercial break, period, change or rain delay. Download sport flip from the app store today and watch more sports. I've been sitting in this chair for more than thirty years now and I have interviewed thousands of athletes over that period of time. But one of my all time. 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He's covered ten Olympics countless NBA finals World Series, Super Bowls and final fours, and he curates antedates selection of New York Times stories, but the staff that illustrates in the luminated the evolution of the NBA during the past four decades, covering both major headlines and lesser known stories this collection presents a thorough history and examination of the league's unprecedent growth, and influence, first of all, army, how hard was it to tell the NBA story? No, it was actually harder than I thought it would be because it's simply so much material. The league has you know, just created so many stars so many issues. The NBA almost always been like a incubated for social issues racial issues in, in the country. And when you start going back and we could have gone back, even even further in time, but we decided to start it in the late seventies when the league was, you know, had it's great players Julius Erving Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Rick Barry among others, but, you know, but it just hadn't yet penetrated that national consciousness still lagging far behind baseball football. And of course that was, you know, leading into the, the dawn of the bird magic area which kind of provided the lift off the league, you know. As it went, you know, when you think about the NBA and how large it is. And what it is today. When did the story, the story that you all put into this book begin to evolve out, and what was the early indication of what that story might be? Well, didn't want to do was just tell the story in linear fashion, which is to say magic air Michael era, you know, dream team ehre, you know, into the twenty first century COPA and check air. We wanted to give the reader, an opportunity to kind of follow it in that regard. But also to create a lot of chapters that dealt with the issues, quirky chapter. So, for example, one of my favorite ones is near the end of the book which where I take column written by Georgia Vesey in nineteen eighty five after the Lakers had beaten the Celtics finally in Boston in Boston. To win the title and the next day found themselves at the White House. Visiting with Ronald Reagan and interesting exchange that took place, between Kareem who is a, an avowed democrat liberal with Reagan, who was obviously, conservative, but it was very civil. I mean, it was sort of like a fraternal feel to the whole Ptolemy and then you, you know, fast forward to more recent times where you have some of the players essentially saying, absolately would refuse to go to the White House, Steph curry, and LeBron being very critical of the president and kind of the reflection of, you know, how far we've come. How far we've grown apart in this country sociopaths critical way. And, you know, so the NBA you know, figures all that. I mean there because they're players are bigger than ever. What they say and do really impacts the country, cultural and even political level. So, you know, we tried to create a lot of chapters, like that quirky little chapter that kind of bring together the issues that the NBA has founded sales heavily involved in cross the decades when you think back, Harvey and writing and putting this book together, and you look at the theme in the line, the time line on the NBA when did that theme come into place that use an aha. This is the direction we're going. And this is what we're going to talk about. Well, I really just took a couple of months to kind of comb through the archives and I did almost year by year. But also, then I conducted a search on the, the writers, I mean when you when I thought about doing the doing the book, initially it struck me I had left the paper fulltime staff in twenty sixteen. I still have a contributor to the paper but I no longer on the fulltime staff. And I remember when I was giving my little farewell speech in the office at a toast, which is times tradition. I started talking about all the great Khali I'd had covering the NBA general columnists for fifteen years at the times, but heavy concentration on basketball, which is the sport. I love the most. And I thought it like naming people, I mean, and you know, whether it was, I r- burqa, and Malcolm Moran and Georgia. SE onto Mike wise, Felina Roberts crisper are Lee Jenkins, Howard Beck. Mark stein. Just go one after the other all like the three near basketball writers in the country across the years. And so that's when the idea early struck me that they had to be, you know, no shortage of great material, because the quality of the writers that had written covered basketball for the times, and then it just became a question of, you know what period would did we wanna cover and, you know, kind of the years that we kind of cover in this book, really are sort of concurrent with, with the years, that, that I cover the sport starting at the New York Post in the late seventies onto the daily news in the eighties. And then onto the times in the nineteen nineties that, that time period, just fit, you know that the points that I wanted to make as the league went from the pre burn. Magic era into the twenty first century where it's become this global phenomenon. Why do you think it was basketball that emerged as really the sounding board for the culture in this country? I mean, we have minority athletes, of course in baseball and also football and hockey to some degree. But it was basketball that really emerged wasn't about the gain that made it a reflection of this country. Clearly it's a great game. You know it's such an athletic game, but I think the that basketball particularly professional basketball, you know, was was the sport while it's not the best TV game. That would obviously be football where you have, you know, three down the punt time out to go to commercial break thought that's good ball seems to me to be mostly in the sport. That's most in step with the technological advancements as we've come through the last couple of decades, you know, first of all. It's it's a game that lends itself to, you know, video highlights, you know, dunk fest breaks, the Secondly, the players are solvable. They're not covered, you know in helmets or caps. They're you know, wearing short pants out there on the floor. We can identify with them. We know their faces, you know, the most most NFL players if you say name, if it isn't a famous quarterback or wide receiver you might not recognize the guys sell over on the street. But, you know, the most have ridge in BA players, you know, conjure up as soon as you, you mentioned the name. So I think with all of that the video streaming, you know, the, the expand explosion of television and, and accessing things on your phone. I think basketball, you know, lends itself to that more than. Any other was any other great games that we have. And I think that's you know, I think the NBA was also, you know, really the first to utilize technology and, you know, and let's face it, it's of our major sports. It is the most global the game that's played in in more countries, then obviously baseball and certainly professional football. So it's just lent itself to an explosion of growth throughout the world. Obviously, there was a calculated plan to dream team. All of that in the early nineties, the Jordan era where, you know, he was arguably the world's most famous athlete during that period. So I think basketball, you know can't you know if growth it was at the right time in the right place. We only a minute before we have to break here, Harvey. But if you think about the professional sports leagues, it's the NBA that has been the most enlightened at the higher levels of that sport. If you think about the NFL and the Colin capper Nick situation, their reaction to all of those things. One is about the sport from the upper levels that really surprised your impressed you. Well, I think, you know, you know, when you look at the owners, a lot of the owners in the NBA like the owners in, you know, the NFL very wealthy men, you know, very successful men and families for the most part, and they tend to, you know, most of them like NFL owners are fairly conservative and probably are not all that comfortable with things like Gregg Popovich, speaking out against the president, or you know, expressions from some of the leading players to last couple of years. But by the same time, the, the legal the league, the league office is here in New York, and what I think, David Stern Adam silver, always impressed upon the owners, if that it's fan base. Is very different by this is a generalization. Of course there are exceptions. But it's fan base is very different from, you know, let's say the generalized version of the NFL fan base. Hold on just one second. We gotta go to a break here. We're talking about a wonderful book. 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And, and now Adam silver understand that the league had fan base that is young urban hip, and less likely to be, you know, alienated by the players, largely African American, you know, star group of stars being expressive being opinionated. And you know, essentially calling on Linden saying certain things. I don't think the owners the owner all the team. Oh, is all that comfortable with it? But I think the legal here always been very good at impressing upon its its team owners that, you know, the NBA is, you know, marketing itself to very different audience, as well as the audience around the world. And it doesn't have to be, as you know, play close to the vest of, you know, for example, the NFL. Well, some of the readers find between the pages on this book, because it's fascinating. I know that you profile some of the legendary teams and players, including the Showtime, Lakers, bad boys, MJ's, bowls. So give me a little bit of a deeper drill down on this book. Well, you know, we cover all the, the major, you know, story lines, you know, the major air is obviously Bajic bird. Michael Jordan chapter called, Jordan airs, which H, E, I, R S, which is about all the players who came after Michael the young stars tried to mimic him, some successfully some less successfully, there's all kinds of I, I tried to include stories that, you know, the New York Times, there's obviously, a very, you know, broad based newspaper. So you know, as an illustration of how the NBA crossed over from just a sports league into a sort of a social statement. You know, there's, there's still were views of, you know space jams. You know, for instance, by the time still gonna Janet Maslin there's stories about NBA fashion written by the time to fashion, critics, there's all kinds of stuff that will surprise you. But what I've some from what I've heard from people who have read the book that seem to appreciate the most is that they are reading a history book and entertaining history book, but they're reading the stuff that's been written was written in the moment. So, you know, for instance, a lot of times when you read about Michael Jordan. Now it's stuff is written, you know, so retrospectively that it's almost, you know, exaggerated. Michael Jordan, never missed a shot in the play off. You know, you never committed a turnover, you know, when you when you reading when you're reading stuff, that was written as it was happening or the day after. After let's say, if I think it's that you get a fresher, more more of a drill down into what was actually going on. And not just, you know, someone's memory or from interviewing some people kind of, you know, in a Stahl GIC way, looking back at this stuff. So I think that's a real real freshness to that approach at the same time. There's a lot of new writing in the book done by done by me because they're like forty forty one chapters and at the beginning of every chapter in if the Matic way, there's a four to five hundred word introduction that brings in some other issues some other stories that didn't make the book, but we refer to and then for about one quarter of the stories there's an author postscript at the bottom, which provides sort of the inside story behind the story. So in that regard, it's the kind of book that you can read front to back. Or you can kind of read it, you know, sit down in the in the bathroom, or the kitchen, or whatever kind of pick out what you want depending on what you're in the mood for is there any commonality among the great teams and the great players over the course of this book. Well, I think all I think they're a great teams in every era, and I think what you what you see across the across the generations with all great teams, whether it's the, the old Celtics or the, you know, the, the, the Gregg Popovich, Tim Duncan, Spurs, is that they're all led by strong-minded team oriented superstars who understood the role that they had to play. And not only making people better on the court, but motivating people that night in night out. And, you know, along with that comes what you see in the warriors, the ability to, you know, lose a Kevin Durant. You know, in the middle of what was considered to be the toughest competition. And in the Western Conference against the rockets and still managed, you know, to pull out that series win win a game on the road. And then go into, you know, into a Western Conference final, and have their way with the Portland, a pretty good Portland team because what you lose Durant. You kinda pick up in ball boob, and there's the sense visit essential, you know, essential mode of operation within that team that sharing the ball is the ultimately the key to their success, as well as playing, you know, strong, team defense, and, you know that really showed in contrast to the Houston style, which if you know, James, James harden, Germany away to shot clock and then launching step back twenty five foot or you know, they're impressive when they go in. But, you know, when the chips are down. Really hard to win, you know to win the championship playing that way where there any critical times over the period of time that you have written about in this book, I think mainly about the violence that was going on fight up in Detroit in the stands. And then there was a dress code that was implemented for players that were on the bench and everything, one other critical moments during the period of time that you're reporting about came about well, there's one particular one that, you know, I found to be very interesting. And that is, you know, and I think it's the title of chapters Reese in the eighties. And this takes us back to the, the incident in Boston Garden. When the Celtics and the and the Detroit Pistons, the bad boy pistons, who are in their formative stages. They were close, but, but they lost that excruciating game where I Thomas through the inbound staff that. Larry Bird stole after Dennis Johnson for the layup in game five, and then the pistons wealth the crushing game seven in the garden ah by couple of points and afterward. Dennis Rodman with that, about Larry Bird, and he said, they sensually, if you were a black player he'd be just another guy another good player and say, Thomas, you know, asked about that comment and kind of sounded like, you know, the answer would fan like he was agreeing with Rodman. And a whole big hullaballoo occurred after that. And Tom if had to go out to the finals and kind of issue an apology. It was it was it was an ill-timed comment by via, but in the context of crushing defeat and a few days later, IRA burqa, one of the sports columnists and the time and had a relationship with I dating back to the fact that they were both from Chicago. Called an asked him about the comment and I gave a very long and heartfelt explanation from where it really came the sense that, you know that the media covered white players in a different way than they covered African American players. There were always heralding them as the hardest worker, Larry Bird. We're hard at worked all of at work, all of his opponents where and this was the classic money quote from there. You said it's like we came dribbling out of our mother's wombs. And while it was, you know, it was a tough thing to say it struck a lot of people I've accurate. And so, you know that column I had to include it because I thought you know, whether you like Thomas or not, it was one of the great, you know, incisive quotes, that I ever heard in all my years covering the NBA. There's a lot of stuff like that in the book that, you know, we try to get to the heart and core of. Diffic- issues. You know that one seems that when Joan stand up in, in terms of all the ones that, you know that we selected we only have thirty seconds left. What do you want people to take away from this book, Harvey? I want them to feel that they get a comprehensive tour of the last forty years of NBA history. But at the same time that they're being entertained along the way. I mean that these stories, a role written by tops topnotch journalists, you know, stylus, and yet people who are on the scene at courtside covering sport that many people, so many people love this is a fascinating book, Harvey. Thank you for sharing it with us. And you're welcome back here anytime on sports byline. Absolutely my pleasure. Thanks again. Harvey ARA Thanh with us. And I hope you'll check out this book because you'll learn a lot about the NBA how it got to be what it is today. And it's called elevated, the global rise of the NBA, and he curates an answer Tate's selection for the New York Times stories by the staff that illustrates the evolution of the NBA. We continue on sports Beila Chuck Woolery here for blue EMU. How many? Pain relief ads. Do you hear daily five ten fifteen? 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He is the official voice of iron man worldwide and the only person to have been inducted into the ironman, hall of fame, the USA triathlon hall of fame and the running USA hall of fame champions, and he has been involved in endurance sports for over forty years. And one of the most prominent personalities in the field, and he has a wonderful book out called Mike Riley finding my voice tales from iron man. The world's greatest endurance race. And he is recognized the world over as the voice of iron man, and he is called over one hundred eighty ironman events, including thirty straight years of the world championships in Hawaii. I an obvious question which is harder running an iron man or calling it. Well, since I go right to the very end up seventeen our Mark. I've made a comment to myself and others. A lot of time to go. Bob, I should just done the race. I wouldn't be out here as long. So I think doing the racist probably harder than what I do. Give us a little bit of history on the army and competition. The man have the deep rich history started what the United States military, a few military buddies in nineteen seventy eight were kind of bragging about who the fittest athletes were were cyclists runners swimmers and commander John Collins, from the United States, maybe decided. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's put three disciplines together. Let's win bike and run. And he that he's extrordinary every distances of two point four miles women a hundred twelve bike and, and a marathon run. Then that's how it all started. It's just got a deep history, and it's taken off from there. I people now there's forty full distance ironman, events throughout the world. And people are clamoring to get into them. Why is Conan, the kind of the holy grail of iron man. It's a Super Bowl world championship. Last year. There were eighty countries represented in Kona for the world championship, and you qualify to go there. So you do other ironman races. In your home country or other countries and you finish in three or four five, and that's how you qualify to be able to go though. So you've got you've got the cream of the crop around, you got the best of the best, including the professionals in our sport, the elite men and women, you know, I once dated a woman who I admired greatly because she was an extreme marathon runner. Now, you know that distances about one hundred miles and I just could not imagine doing it. I can't imagine anybody doing an iron man as well. What is the appeal? I am an seems to heal people even though they go one hundred forty six miles. I'm on one day something about iron man. It's not it's not what they did that they, it's what they became people have gone through some horrific things in their lives. Whether it was cancer, or loss of child, or a loss of limb, and they looked out in their future. And they said, you know what I've got a client that Iron Mountain. I know I can do that. I know I can make myself whole by doing that. It's not just running rates running a marathon, it's actually becoming setting a goal to become something than what you are today. A better person. So it's hard to explain to people out of time, but after somebody doesn't ironman, they're different. They've changed their different person. I know that you got involved with distance running back in nineteen seventy eight when you're in the first of twelve marathons but your first triathlon. Was a nineteen Seventy-nine take me through that race for you. What were the challenges for you? That was the challenge for me was swim. I was a college wrestler, and a runner. So the ocean was Dongting. But once I got out of the ocean got on the bike was fantastic. It was a it was a triathlon based out of Coronado California where a lot of the original navy seals. We're actually doing the race. So our goal is runners where it's pass, as many as many as maybe as they could on the run. That was our goal. And, and it was, but I never get done being so beat up, but the next day, oh, my gosh. I cannot believe what I complex, nothing's going to be hard for me from now on work, clay. Whatever it may be. I, I did a did a trust on Mike. I know you said that the stories ranged from the incredible to the hilarious. Share a couple of them with me. Oh, gosh. You know, the incredible stories are people like kinda Mike are ago who wanted to do away with himself after being in the second battle palooza. And the is the second largest loss of marine life, and he came out of that. But he, he didn't wanna survive. He didn't he didn't. He wanted to end his life because they had such remorse and guilt about being around how come he's here, not comrades? And he discovered working out. He actually went on vacation in Hawaii the same time that Iran Hawaii was there and discovered it, and all of a sudden he told me once he started working out intensely for this race. Those feelings of self-destruction went away. He started becoming hold again. He started becoming the person before he went into the Marine Corps. Then he loved the core and love everything he did. But it took something from him, and he founded again to ironman, but there's, there's also. Stories of my goodness. There's you know, you wetsuit and swim on the cold water, and the first year of Lake Placid in nineteen ninety nine young Japanese fellow got out of the water, they lay down and, and volunteer. Strip off their what's for them because you have to expend so much energy getting what we help them do it. So to handlers lift up the wetsuit, and he stood up and forgot to put his bathing underneath. And round. The water was cold. The crowd just loss. And I didn't know what to do. I you know, it's not like I wanna make fun of them because they knew what was going on. But he just cut themselves with one hand to the wetsuit over shoulder with the other and smiled all the way up the transition as one of the funniest thing I've ever seen in forty years. And Mike is a broadcaster. My response at seeing something like that would have been he's up. He's down. You're a better man than me. I couldn't think that fast, it was just almost shocking. And, and all the same you have a great story in your book about a firefighter nearly given up for dead after horrific accident talk to me about that. Yeah, he went to, you know, twenty thirty surgeries run over by bus and New York City, and he was actually writing bike to work to the fire station that day. And, and his physical is physical beat up with so bad that it's draining on him mentally and he was a strong mental character. But yet all that he didn't wanna give up wanted to keep moving forward. But he never thought he'd be able to do anything again. And he was in the -ccomplish ironman before this happened. Well, he always sudden he's walking with a Walker. He kept pushing he told his buddies, that he wanted to run the New York City marathon. And they kind of laughed, come on Matt. Walker. While you're later he did anyone like seven and a half hours. Then he said, I wanna do an iron man again and you know, friends down the left again. Well, he proved them wrong, and he came into that's in each line at ironman, Lake Placid figures four or five years after his accident with a few minutes to spare before the cut off time and bringing him home with his mom and dad there. And some of his brothers and his cousins, it was emotional, I try not to get emotional when somebody, but I, I lost it like the crowd did because just knowing what he went through, and, and all of a sudden, when, when people I have a little picture in the book of Cody mclamb running on the track. And he's got no legs. He's running to the Senate, you know, eight years old, nine years old and put on that picture. Excuses are invalid because I've seen it I witnessed at people fell. I've got a bad knee or bad backer sore. You know, the doctor said I need to lose weight, but I don't know you know, excuses are invalid because people have pushed themselves that and, and come to the pinnacle, finishing, then ironman, right? One of the things you talk about in this book, and it's very interesting story about the two professional triathletes. They went against each other. In what you say is the greatest head to head athletic competition. Tell me about it. It was it was a iron war clash of two. Titans. Mark allen. Dave Scott, Mark couldn't beat Dave fix times. He seven times he failed couldn't do it. And Mark was actually winning races all across the world. Well, nineteen Eighty-nine was my first year in cona, and I got the witnesses to be to titans come out of the water together. They were on the bike for a hundred and twelve miles without even looking at one another right there. Then they started running shoulder to shoulder for twenty six point two mile that going through the station grabbing cups of water. Catching up to one another just constantly badly. And it was like do price fighters, just going at one another, but Bryce fighters didn't even acknowledge one another and all of a sudden with less than a mile to go Mark Allen did a little surge head of Dave, Scott. The man they've won the race. Six times. He was the man. And when Mark made that surge, he tells us over and over I got him, I knew I had him. And when he came into that finish line, it was the greatest one on one battle, I think anybody's ever seen. Mike Riley is with us. He's talking about his book, and I hope you'll check it out because it's a very interesting book. He is the voice of iron man worldwide. One of the things I've found fascinating about the competition and the race itself. Mike is that wherever they are around the world. There's a different dynamic to it. I mean it could be from a cultural standpoint, it can be just the physical setup of the distance and everything coming about some of the interesting areas that. I've had iron men in well manager all over the world. And the one constant with him is the distances are exactly the same. So people go people go to New Zealand. They go to Frankfurt they go to ironman Austria, or they go hire men Chattanooga, but differences of the same sure the terrain is going to change if they hilly course in Lake Placid. It's a, it's a flat course. Higher man, Florida. It's a at. You know, not alone blunt up in candidates, of course that's got some pretty good hills. But the swim in the run or just gorgeous. So every course, has its own personality. And people know that going in. So what they do is they train and train on that type of terrain before the race. People actually go to Lake Placid that races in July, they'll be there in May June training. Course going back home so they can get used to it. And know what it's all about the every court says its own personality, it's got its own weather. It's got its own community that supports it. I'm in with consonant Madison with forty thousand college students come into school that week, they're out in full force for those athletes, and it's, it's a site, the so every, every course, hold something new and fresh, every athlete that comes to one of the things I've always wondered, and you touched on it about the military that's where its roots came from. But I've often wondered whether it'd be a military person. Or other be just the average athlete, or the average person does it not set that person up for really disappointment that maybe they can't handle here not being able to finish the race an ironman, it devastating a lot of people, whether they're military professional athlete, or an age group athlete. But, but it's gotta redemption to it because people realize it's help. It's not for everybody. But I've seen people like Sarah Reiner's than the first, the low the needs of female athlete fail it ironman and one year and the very next year she came back, and she did the same for Scott rig beats who's on to percents. He came back at the failing at an iron man and did it the next year. So I've seen it over and over again, where people go, okay? It's taught me a lesson. I didn't finish it. I didn't I didn't complete my goal. I put all the training and the time in, but I didn't do it. I just didn't finish but that doesn't stop them as a matter of. Fact, I think it makes them so much stronger because, you know, versity introduces induces us to our selves, and we find out what really made of. And, and, and so when people fail and then they don't finish. I like to call it failure. Just call it failing on that day to make sure they succeed on the next day. And I've seen it happen over and over people come back, and they do it. They finish it in about a minute is something that is really kind of in grave and Mike rallies mind over the all the years that you've witnessed this competition. Yeah. You know what can great on my mind, all these countries come together and one shared purpose. And maybe it's, you know, the shared purpose of going through such a tough event, but I've never seen any hint of rank or emnity rear its ugly head at an ironman event with all these countries in unison all these athletes from all over the world different cultures different religions different races. No matter what it is yet. They come together on this day, and they are brothers and sisters all day long. I see it constantly when I look out at the award ceremony run, and I'm doing the award ceremony and seeing them sit out there ago. They all were a cause of their own experience, and it's no matter where they came from and their experience together with their brothers and sisters in that audience, it, I still can't get over that at every ironman rates. I do that it, it hits home. For me if it was like that in the world. There'd be no war. Yep. I where there would be no or. Okay. Mike. Thanks. Congratulations. On the book. Thank you very much. Mike Riley with us. The official voice of ironman worldwide and the book is called Mike Riley finding my voice tales from iron man. The world's greatest endurance race. We continue with more of you and America's sports talk show. Rebuild or replace transmission. 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Tell me how you transitioned or use that background in horse racing to move in the direction that you did with. Ecuador's. Sculpturing. Interest, always was the horses and horse racing. And it just soon of I was are typically inclined and I mean, if you wanna go way back, like a lot of little girls little girls, I drew horses. And so I never lost that interest in art, and it's sort of followed naturally, and as far as becoming a sculptor, it really was nothing more than I saw that there was a lot of people doing painting painting. So I thought I don't see too many people doing sculpture. So let me try that. And of course, I got very, very fortunate with a lot of people early on the just sort of, you know, help help foster my work as far as giving me, my early commissions and everything, you know, taking taking chance on untried artist. You know, one of the things that I find fascinating is that if you're painting a horse, it's almost one dimensional, but with certainly doing it as a skull. After it's multidimensional. What are the challenges of doing that compared to save just painting a subject? Say there's no painters listening, but I think it's more by more difficult, and I wanted to anything but getting getting one side of it has always been. You know getting one image is always easy for them is always easy. It's just, you know, getting the rest of the pieces. All knit together is the hard part is, you know, that's what takes I work on a turntable, and you just keep spitting turning around and around and around, you know, seeing how pieces fit together. So I think a lot. I think it's a lot harder. I don't have to deal with color, and all that, too. So I'm not trying to despair painting world. Yeah. But I would think that you're putting it onto one subject naming onto a pallet of some type in other words or or onto a sheet of paper. But what you're doing is really the material, you're using I would think would not be amenable to being able to make something I mean, how do you have to deal with that in order to create the subject, you're trying to create what did you say that the, the material is not amenable to what? Well, I'm just saying that you're dealing with with cast iron. Is that what you're dealing? It's not quite that would be really really, really difficult. I would not be able to do that somebody might be able to. But what the way sculptures produced is. My worth artists work is done in creating a clay model, which is then the last lacks process, which are assisted by foundry who makes them more of the original model and then then the bronze is poured into the mold and then it is cast. So it's a it's a big effort from, you know, kind of a lot of people, my part, mainly consists of creating the clay model, and that I affect handed off to the professionals at a foundry, even though you know, there's still a lot of hands on involvement for me that point. But I'm not pouring twenty two hundred three degree at leave. Molten bronze into the mess with that. You try to capture the personality or any aspect of a horse that maybe might not be readily available or are Li seen by most people. I mean you're in horse racing. You spent twenty years, working as an exercise, rider and an assistant trainer at racetracks across the country. You certainly do have a feel for horses. So as you try to capture that and make a sculpture. Are you able to do that? What, what do you look for? I like to think that, that's my possibly my forte or whatever. Because as a horse is as what I consider myself, I as horsemen any worse than is able to see in detect the subtle differences and huddle or major differences in horses physicality, but as you were saying that personality is as well. And I don't know exactly how to say that I do it, but one, I'm creating a sculpture of a particular horse because most of my work is commissioned. So I am doing a particular horse, such as an yada or Sunday. Silence or something I'm always trying feeling the personality and the distinctive characteristics that horse and trying to give it give the work trying to do the work with that with those characteristics and personality in your own words. You've said that then yada sculptor. That sculpture that you've done, there is the hardest thing I've ever done on so many levels, explain why. Recovered from it now. So it doesn't seem quite as painful as it was at the time, and I don't mean to exaggerate, but it just first and foremost, I think it was because of the enormity of the project not only the physicality, the sheer the sheer size of it. But more is the importance of it how important, and you ought to was to so many people and how visible this sculpture was going to be the sculptures is San Anita, which is where I grew up riding horses. And you know, everybody, you know, the honor of having my work at Santa Anita is, is that's one thing everybody. All my peers riding by and walking by it every day. That's another thing, and then the general public who of not so much. That's another thing. So there's there. Levels there. You said that you looked at John Henry. And you wondered why did this what was it about looking John Henry that made you say what the heck done? What are you referring to there? Well, that the quote setting off more than I could chew or what? Yeah. Well, you said, the quote was, I looked at John Henry and wondered why I did this. And I should have done this. What you're saying. Oh, yeah. Of course, of course, then yada. And I kind of got I could've this or didn't maybe this or that. And but probably the nature of any idiotic. NPR the whether they're doing a painting or even like a probably a writer thinks the same thing when they write a book that they labor over every word. And then when it comes out, they probably read it and see why didn't I say it that way. I think it's kinda the nature of it. But yeah. To answer your question. Yeah, I look at that. And. This done this a little different that could have been a little different. But, you know, comes time possibly if I'd kept doing things a little different, the sculpture, would still be in my studio, rather than Santa Anita. You've also designed trophies for the Breeders Cup set, a Nieta del mar, Hollywood park, and others, is that something that you enjoy doing, and how do you come up with the idea about what that trophies gonna look like? Trophies. I. Ideas, I don't know, in, in one sense, you kinda limited because it's of the basically asking for a sculpture of a horse and a racehorse only does so many things. But, you know, just. I don't know. I are trying trying to think of something new, and that's difficult, you know, as an artist I'm going to ask you this question, because I think I know the answer. But what is the intrinsic of beauty of a racehorse? I'm been around them, and I know them and I wonder what somebody who certainly has an expert like you who has to capture that intrinsic value, probably can explain it better. What is it Nina question? Honestly, I was just thinking about that yesterday. I said, Anita and looking at, you know, watching a lot of horses galloping, walk by and. Of thoroughbred. To me. They're just. Kind of hard to, you know, I mean, the athleticism, the fitness, the body type and everything is just it would be. You know, somebody else will you know what you interested in scoping, this kind of work to that, I'm so spoiled with the thoroughbred because it'd be like, saying, I don't know, comparing it to, if you got to scope a possibly like an Olympic gymnast or track star naked say. As opposed to just your average person. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going. I do know what you mean because their bodies are so totally different than the average. Brad racehorse, because it has that, you know, the, you know, I just think that there's probably the same way that people admire the fine lines of, and they're not real interested in your Toyota, Corolla, so to speak. I wanna thank you very much. I think this is a fascinating subject. And I've seen some of the pictures of some of the sculptures that you have done. You are very, very talented. But I think what makes you so talented is that you have a feel for it because you grew up in horse racing. And I think that is where the artist really comes out in union. Thank you very much for your time, a Kaiser with us. And again, she has parlayed a career as a thoroughbred exercise writer with an innate ability in art to become a world. Renown equa sculptor. We'll take a break. Come back on the other side is we continue across the country and around the world with you on sports. Byline. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. But you have the time or the ability to write your book, maybe you picked up some skills, or head a life experience that you wanna pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you wanna leave autobiography for your family. Or maybe you've built a successful business, and you want to share your story at Dorrance publishing company. 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Patterson the fighting life of boxing's invisible champion. It's written by w k Stratton, and he likes to be called Kipp. So I'll call you as well. And I kind of smiled a little bit. When I saw this book because I think you would have to look long and far to find a book about Floyd. Patterson. Why has a life in general and maybe history kind of bypass Floyd? Patterson is a great champion. You know, I think that's partially the age. We live in Floyd. Patterson was a really decent good, man. And he, he was not a man much given to, to controversy. He was not much given to, to outrage his life was marked by good deeds that he did. And, and so that's sort of runs current to a lot of people like to read about these days. So it is difficult to find a lot written about Floyd Patterson, these days, and I was rather astonished by the, the lack of coverage if you will that you could find about Patterson who was such an important figure during his time. So that's one of the primary reasons I did this book you want said, he was among the greatest amateur boxes, the US has ever produced achievements along with the other members of the nineteen fifty two US Olympic. Boxing team have been largely forgotten and the one thing that I remember having met him. Only one time is how nice he was. And I think back and I reflect back on that. And I thought that myself he was unlike most boxing champions. They may be nice out of the ring, but he was nice in the ring to a great degree. He didn't have that hard edge to him and that surprises me, especially in, in a sport. That's so combative. Yes, you know, one of the most famous episodes of among fans Patterson involved, a five head in Chicago with a fighter whose pretty well forgotten now but during the course of the fight the other fighters mouthpiece was not out and the other fighter to sort of fell to knees trying to get it. Well, you know, we know from recent Floyd Mayweather, fight actually Patterson could've clobbered the guy that, that moment, but why Pat? Persson did is he dropped down to the mat himself and help the guy get he's mouthpiece and put it back in so they could resume the fight. That's just not the kind of behavior you see much in professional boxers, and certainly not at the world champion level their number of incidents like that, that he, he did. And, and certainly when he knocked Ingemar Johansson out to regain the world championship he you'll Hanson was out on the mat for a good long while Patterson cradle head, and he's lap trying to help bring him around. So it's just unusual behavior for, for that kind of that kind of sport in particularly at the the championship level. I think it's fair to say that what people are is kind of been how they've been molded is by how they grew up and where they grew up in his case he grew up in North Carolina, but moved into a New York and in the Bedford Stuyvesant area. Tell me a little bit about his background to help us better understand the man. He had a really tough childhood. He was beset with what we might call a logical problems that his family being extremely poor and growing up at a time when there weren't a lot of social services available there were there was no treatment available for him. He is a child was given to. It's waking up screaming and other times walking he was reached the age of seven eight years old and could scarcely speak. Let alone read, right? He therefore had terrible times in school. He was free. Truth. He felt a lot of guilt about the family situation because his parents worked so hard yet, the family was mired down in poverty. There were eventually eleven children in their family. So he became a thief, as a child trying to bring, you know, would steal food to bring the family he would steal dresses to bring to his mother. So it was that kind of atmosphere for him. And so he ran afoul of the courts, not surprisingly, and he was sent away to a school. Upstate New York wilt wick in Hudson valley, and it really changed his his whole life. He was in the company teachers really cared about him and counselors who helped him and it kind of formed, a something in Patterson, that he, he maintained the rest of his life, which is a willingness to help people who are less fortunate than himself. So he took that back to the city when he returned. And throughout the rest of his life. He had this sense that he was responsibility, those who were grounded to help those who weren't so that will wake experience really changed everything for him. I think you know as well as I do most people come to a fork in the road. And when you think about his easy, going to meaner is kindness. You don't think about somebody turning and taking the four leads to fighting what was the spark that sent him down that road. Well, you know, if you look back at his childhood, he had these episodes where he would have this some kind of rage that was inside of him. It came out one time when he he got into a fight with a policeman child in the policeman was a grown man. But he was wailing away and it will wake. They had an amateur boxing program and Floyd was pretty successful in that. And it was a way that he was able to channel a lot of frustration and anger that was inside of him. And I think that was very. Effective for him to, to get that out through that method. He never really stopped training as a boxer. You know, it's kind of thing to say among sports writers of a certain age Patterson. Never retired never announced that he was retiring, he just stopped boxing. But he kept training and training younger fighters. Jim near he's home, and new pulse, New York. And he kept running marathons, I think, is very important for him to have some physical activity. Keep that frustration and rage that he had inside of him have a way to get it out and some physical activity. Because he found peace and says, as a child in a kind of a whole nearest subway station, tell me about that. It was really an interesting thing. He would do he found a whole kind of in the wall, where the subway crew with store tools, and it was sort of like this manmade cave, and he found that the door was unlocked, and he could climb in there. And he would take some old newspapers with them and spread them out on the floor, and he would lock himself in this, this darkened hole. And he would be completely away from the world and from prying eyes on him. And then we're here, we're talking again, about the pre experiences when he was just seven eight nine early ten years old. And that was a place where he actually found some refuge during those really traumatic years. So, so that was something he liked. And then, you know throughout his professional life. He was not one of the lovable Palu Kaz. Who liked to hanging around the press, and, you know, make comments that we'd get in the paper wise, cracking all of that. In fact, if you look at Mohammed Ali, he was, in many ways, the opposite of all Ali was an extrovert, who loved attention. And you out of his way to draw Torian Patterson was somebody who kind of shunned it and preferred to be off in a training camp way from people and be pretty reclusive when he did do interviews. He could be very, very expressive and speak, very eloquently and was very good at probing is inter feelings, and thoughts, for the most part. He he preferred to stay out of the limelight. So he was pretty different from the typical boxer of his time, we only have a couple of minutes before we have to break here. But also he grew up at a time in which there was not a lot of tolerance in this country. Socially for African Americans. How did he deal with that? Well, you know, he was in in my opinion. He was the first major. African American athlete to really start making a stand and saying that he would not fight in segregated arenas. He he witnessed severe segregation as he or middle America as heavyweight champion and it appalled him. So he became very active in civil rights movement. He became a lifetime member, the NWC p he went to Birmingham with Martin Luther King during the height of the civil rights marches there. So he was very active in, in trying to overcome the Jim crow laws. We had an effect in the nineteen fifties and sixties in this country. He found himself treated as an invisible man as well. One time he tried to get a meal in Kansas City. Right, right. He was in Kansas City doing an exhibition tour heavyweight champion in the world and went from restaurants restaurant in downtown Kansas City, and could not get seated so he retreated back to hotel, and he found another, former heavyweight champion jersey Joe Walcott happened. Be in how tell and jersey Joe Walcott had a bottle of milk and some cookies. And they realized that these two heavyweight champions, neither one of them could be seated for meal in downtown Kansas City, and they, they retreated to one of their rooms and they had cookies and milk for their dinner that night because they couldn't get a restaurant meal in about fifteen seconds that fuel his passion as far as fighting. Yeah, I think that was part of the anger that he had was the, the, the disparity in treatment for African Americans in this country. That time, we're talking about a wonderful book that I hope that you'll check out it's called Floyd. Patterson the fighting life of boxing's invisible champion. 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Patterson is two brothers and eventually took him to the Gramercy gym in Manhattan and introduced him to customers who had some connections with big-time boxing, New York and the Patterson. Brothers began training at the. Grammercy GM and tomato, especially. Promise in Floyd of three Patterson brothers were training there and he began to cultivate Floyd and, you know, it was an important relationship D'amoto was very good as an amateur, psychologist, he wasn't trained in the field, but he, he had a real understanding for, for how human minds work. And he understood a lot of what Floyd Patterson was dealing with. And, and he became somebody that could bring Floyd Patterson out and help him become a, a someone who had competence himself, as an half late and D'amoto took charge of his career. And in fact, D'amoto was out in front of Patterson's career. Good part of doing the speaking for him Floyd once said, does the talking and D'amoto wasn't hesitant to do the talking? So he had total control for a good long while, but then, you know, they begin to have different opinions about the. The course of the career and it led eventually to Floyd firing casts and Floyd becoming his own manager, which was an unheard of thing, pretty much in that time as well for any athlete in boxing bees manager, but especially in African American athlete to take that much control of his career. But that's something Patterson. Did that's largely been forgotten how much of a groundbreaker he was in that regard? I think it's generally accepted. Kip is not that when cuss passed away Mike Tyson really want to stray and I'm just wondering certainly Mike has said that costs represented. A father figure to him was at the same way with the champion Floyd. Absolutely D'amoto had that father figure relationship with Patterson, just as he had a similar sort of father figure relationship with another world champion Jose Torres who on world light heavyweight championship. Under under D'Amato's guidance. When you take a look at other people who are influential in his life along the way, when he became a mature person when he became a successful fighter when he became a champion, what were the influences who else influenced him. Well, he had a number of people who were influential on him. One was an attorney in New York has just the most magnificent name, Julius November. And I always wished I had named like Julius November that he became the handler of Floyd's legal matters for many years. He was very much influenced in, in a way by the friendship he had with a young newspaper reporter named gay talese gay talese later became one of the best known fiction writers in America. But at the time to lease was just beginning his career at the New York Times sportswriter and. There was something about those two men that had a lot of give and take and so two lease very important, and cultivating Patterson's career someone that was important in those days to Patterson's career was Howard Cosell. In fact, Patterson was very important in the development of co sales career, Casella, never covered boxing, until he was introduced to customize employed Patterson, and he learned about the sport through them and then later had an effect on Floyd sewn career when Patterson was not that buying Mario Hanson in their I five. Patterson descended into deep depression, co sale, took it upon himself to introduce Patterson to the great Jackie Robinson in efforts to try to help lift Patterson out of this depression. So sale was very important figure in, in Patterson's career, especially in the earlier parts of it. He was headed. Interesting relationship with a number of important writers, including Pete, Hamill, Norman Mailer and others. That kind of fed both ways. So a lot of people were in affected by Floyd and affected Floyd was very honest about the most important thing. Boxing, wise, as far as chief -ment, and that was the, the metal that he wanted the Olympics at the age of twenty one. Why was that so meaningful to him actually one that seventeen he won? The world championship is a pro at twenty one right? That he was, you know, he, he said late in life. And in on several occasions, that the Olympic gold medal was the most important achievement to him because he felt like he did that for his country. He said, everything else, achieved in terms of world heavyweight champion and all of that were individual titles. But when he went to Helsinki in nineteen fifty two. Two and came back with that gold medal. He felt like he won that for America not for himself. And he said that was the most important thing Patterson and his heart was always a patriot. And he loved his country and, and always wanted to do whatever he could to make this country, better place. One of the things that you have said the other thing that was important to him, is that he wanted to be remembered as a good Catholic was he an overly religious man? He was convert he can to all of them as a teenager. And it became is religion became very important to him. He was devout and he became a Catholic lay minister. He was involved with delivering comedian to people in nursing homes, and all of that he had an audience with the pope in Rome. So he was very much serious about his religion. Right up to the day he died. So it was huge. In his life, you know, as well as I do Kip that everything you've said about Floyd Patterson, if you think about the other people the other men that have held the title of heavyweight champion of the world doesn't seem to be a comparison there. He seems to be a Cada me and my correct in that. Avation. I think you're absolutely right. He was a dichotomy he was a stranger to to the title. And he's, he's the likes of which had never really been seen in the ring before, and we'll never see anybody quite like him again. Also I wanted to get into this toward the end of the interview here, because another dichotomy certainly was his three fights that he had with Ingemar Johansson, the Swedish boxer. And I it's funny, if you think of that Inga Ingemar Johansson, you know, the big tall white blond haired, champion, in a sense, a great white hope, even in a sense, as well, going up against a black man, and to me, the difference between them to is almost like Knighton day. Yes, you'll Hanson as when he was active as a fighter was a not a pleasant person. He was a very Harrogate man, very full of himself. And very opposite of Floyd Patterson. He upset Patterson in their first fight knocked him out and America reacted in, in a way that I think was pretty ugly for the most part in that there was a, an exuberance a celebration of this weedy person defeating the American champion because he was this great white hope kind of guy came along. And, you know, American sports writers in some camps were comparing him to return of Jack Dempsey, and he was celebrated on TV shows. He was singing duets with Dinah Shore and all of that. And then, you know, Patterson came back and not him out and to reclaim the title, be the first person ever, do that something that MC or Joe Louis or number of other people that tried and never done. So it was quite a quite an interesting study in contrast. But what's really interesting about that relation. Ship is despite of a lot of negative things that you'll Hanson had to say about Patterson at the time they were active in the ring years later, after both had retired. They became the best of friends, and when Hansen was broke and was in bad health, Floyd, one out of his way to help Ingo as he was known get back on, on the road to a good life, and they've actually ran marathons together. So it was quite a quite a story. Yeah. I heard that he had done that. And I'm wondering whether Floyd ever realized that maybe the knockout was one of the best things that could have happened to him in his career, and what I mean by that Kip is the fact that you're going along. And you really need to have things put into perspective. And I felt that the knockout of him and that I was the type of thing that got him to focus more on the rest of his career. And come back, it was a fire, nother words it embarrassed him to be knocked out by Ingemar Johansson in that first flight. I think you're. Absolutely. Right. And did a lot of that series of five did a lot to help. Patterson put things into perspective. He was he. He wasn't barest by that. And he did understand the horrible humiliation that defeat any felt himself grow. If he is he confronted that and realized what he had to do overcome that, that embarrassment and put things into perspective. And then he realized the really went into this period of absolute rage that he actually hated Johansen, as he prepared for that, second five, and after he knocked you answering out and that second fide he realized that the level of rage allowed himself to develop was not healthy either. So that was a healthy development for for, for Patterson as well. In getting things into perspective as he went onto the rest of his career. We often hear about the riches to rags experiences of boxes. What was the, the latter stages of his lifelike? Patterson, you know, largely believed to retired from boxing, rich man. And in fact, he did manage his money, much better than most boxers did. But certainly inflation took a toll money made in the rain and, and Patterson was very generous person in terms of helping out Uraba causes. So he was not a particularly affluent man. And in later years, when he was appointed New York State Athletic Commissioner he actually that money he earned from that job was needed and by him and his family. And in the later years, of course, he developed a Menchaca and prostate cancer. And kind of had one of those unfortunate long slow fades that, you know, involved nursing homes and all of that. That's just really sad for such a good guy to have to go out that way, I had him on my program. Time here. And I remember how much I enjoyed the conversation in the interview, but I never came away with a feeling Kip about whether he appreciated or even understood his place in boxing history. Did you come up with anything that can maybe fill in that answer? I think he, he did not have a real perspective on just how remarkable he was. I think he, he never was able to get outside of himself and really just say, wow. Look at what all I did. And I think you're absolutely right in that regard. He, he did have these I that he accomplished, he did have these, these wonderful contributions to society at large outside the boxing ring that he accomplished, and he was, in fact, somebody that people could report to as a role model, which is actually pretty rare in, in sports when you get right down to, but he was the rare person you actually could point to as a role model and unfortunately, I don't think Patterson really ever realized just what a remarkable person was. I think the reason was because he was not a self promoter now. He was not. He was he was shy. He was. Reclusive. He was a devout Catholic that, you know, you, you know that, that coming from that perspective, you didn't really to your own horn that much. And so I, I think you're absolutely right in that in about thirty seconds people to take away from this book Kip. Well, I'd like people to take a look at the book and read this remarkable story, this American who had this really, truly amazing life and remember him, you know, because he's been forgotten, I think by many, many people, and here was somebody who made a difference in the world and deserves some consideration. Congratulations on the book camp. I appreciate you sharing the story because he was a great champion. He was under appreciated as well. And as you said he was an invisible champion, and that's too bad. And I hope people will look upon his legacy and his life, a little bit differently now because of this book, thanks, a lot Kip. Thank you so much for having me. This has been just great w k Kip Stratton with us talking about his book Floyd. Patterson the fighting life of boxing's invisible champion and they called Floyd. 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"Yeah. Well, being cantwell early on his testimony can't well turn to the jury and said quote a podcast for those who don't understand unquote before devolving into something about rss feeds he later referred to the social media APP telegram explaining to the jury quote lots of people have a telegram. Saying, you have a telephone. Unquote when asked to describe it, I can totally see him doing all these. Things So when asked to describe the radical agenda podcast defense attorney Eric Walpin asked Cantwell if the show was at times shocking and we'll responded saying shocking is pretty much the whole entire point of it and was he was asked if it included racist or homophobic content yes. He said if it included swearing own yeah. He said Africa offered an unsolicited rant about being platform walpin shifted gears asking cantwell. How he came to know the bull patrol can't well said several bowl patrol members joined his radical agenda telegram chat in late two, thousand seventeen or early two, thousand eighteen, and then offered some compliments of the group. His attorneys have spent much of the week trying to paint the group as dangerous acceleration assists quote the bowl patrol was talented. Talented guys can't testified commenting briefly on their impressive photoshop skills, and for some reason, alerting the jury to be on the lookout for hearing the Word Photoshop used as a verb. Is that a term in in the mainstream acceleration EST I've never heard that term before. His acceleration EST to me is like collapse Terry and it's somebody who says the collapses inevitable celestial speeded up to be I'm not sure what she means by that. He says they were useful for a period of time. Initially, it was funny but it started to get downright scary unquote while the bowl patrol promoted violence toward law enforcement can well assured the jury. He encouraged his listeners to have a good relationship with quote the cops okay. Did can't will testify that the members of Boll patrol came to believe that he was quote sellout unquote he said he was subject to a quote never ending torrent of nonsense unquote that included prank phone calls in memes that he was certain where the work of his former Bo patrol friend's house he so certain quote, the style of image editing unquote he testified at this point, the jury got to hear. About a minute from a compilation of random prank calls to radical agenda, none of which could be attributed by the patrol and some of which weren't even identifiably prank calls. The judge explained jurors. The compilation quote goes on longer than I want you to hear unquote earlier without the jury the judge told, Cantwell's attorney that the compilation was Gobbledygook and said quote, we don't need a transcript because it would be unintelligible Campbell then began testifying about the plight of a one man being a one man show challenged by these pranksters. At one point, he described having emailed a burner phone APP. Company to explain that quote, you have a white supremacist terrorist group using this to harass people unquote. Can't well so people were calling into his show using burner phone numbers, and so he called company that provides burner phone numbers and complained to them. Can't testify at his website was defaced with grotesque sexual imagery and things that were unflattering of you're humble correspondent. A reference to the Post Campbell said were made by VIC mackey, the bull patrol leader to Campbell he gave posting privileges. After attempting to contact the FBI by phone about the website. Cantwell said he was placed on hold for too long and decided instead to file something with the Internet Crime Complaint Center, which is also run by the FBI. According to portions of the complaint that were read to the jury, well, told the FBI that his quote website was defaced with terrorist propaganda and pornography last night including bestiality unquote. Can't we'll tell the FBI that bowl patrol was responsible and then posted on the social networking site Gab that he had in fact, report the quote crime unquote to law enforcement. His reasons for openly posting about going to law enforcement Campbell testified were twofold I he hoped doing so might have a quote deterrent effect quote second. Can't will testified that quote I don't want people to think I'm doing. So surreptitiously when I work with law enforcement, which I've done on numerous occasions, I do so only unquote. He further said the label of being a snitch is something I tried to avoid by telling people that I spoke to law enforcement. That's not. Being a snitch that yeah, pretty much still the same as being snitch, you just doing it secretly. Not How. I kinda see the I kind of see where he's coming from in that. He's not like if you're not hiding the fact that you're bigger working with the police, it's kind of hard to call somebody a snitch because you're police but that's calling a police officer stitch not not being a snitch that's just being able to say you knew i. was the Snitch when you picked me up a stitch kind of implies that you're keeping that you're you're not revealing the fact generally is true. I mean it's like calling a police officer. I mean it's ridiculous. He's working for the police the police. Yeah. I see what you're saying and generally that's true in the reason that's true. Generally is because most people who snitch. Are and should be afraid that they're going to be. Facing some sort of retaliation if it's found out that there are snitch you Taylor world if they were more afraid Carr's either to brazen too stupid. To try to conceal that. Tried to be logical about I mean certainly wants not how it. was absolutely stupid thing to do I mean obviously. Trusts Niche. But I I kinda see the point that he's trying to make the logical I. do think he has a logical argument their well, even if regardless of whether the other Nazis knew what he was doing and how they felt about it. I mean he's saying he was open about it and he certainly has said on the night. I know because I interviewed him he was certainly open about it prior to. Know he was opening. An had talked to notify and like I said, it doesn't matter whether you know what the other Nazi's thought about it. It got can't well in further trouble. So the fact that he's opened his mouth Oh. Yeah. 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Hopefully, I won't mess up again. So we were talking about how well can't well sent his ex girlfriend at one point named nicknamed. To the Missouri home of Mr Cheddar main is the bowl patrol members of Nazi group that can't having fighting. You know fighting words with basically over the telegram client and that's ultimately what all of this is about is the federal government is alleging that Chris, Cantwell was making a legitimate threat to rape this man's wife when can't well said that he would he intended to F- his man, this man's wife in front of her children. And it was to me an obvious hyperbole. was obviously you know not a real threat who makes a threat like that? That's not a threat. Doesn't sound like a threat sounds like somebody doesn't like something that you've said or whatever, and now they're angry with you and they're just blowing off steam. That's exactly what it sounds like. Now, the question is will the jury. Agree with you after washing. Testimony by Nazis get convicted as a Nazi before he gets convicted of whatever, but he'll be set my prediction is he will be convicted and he will mostly be convicted of being not. Yeah. Yeah I think that's a prediction. It's sad or than convicting people being an caps, it shouldn't be happening. If you allow it to happen for Nazis. You'll also accepting you could do it to you when when they throw you up on this direct and people will be cheering it on of guests, right. So I mean Nazis nobody likes to. Nazi. So and that's why I don't like what Chris says I think he's in a whole but I don't think you should be going to prison for any amount of time just for being an a hole on the Internet now. Had He. Actually said that he was going to rape the man's wife maybe you could make an argument that that was an actual threat that would definitely be clear whether or not it was a genuine threat whether it was believable another question. Yeah. Yeah. I mean considering I mean. So if you don't even know and and this, this is going to be circumstantial. But if you don't even know where somebody lives and you make a threat to rape their wife use the Venue wouldn't find out where they live. The person you're arguing with is anonymous some anonymous Internet it's going to be a little bit hard to take it that as a gen for sure you've found the right guy or whatever. It just seems it just seems like even like there are so many circumstances that it's like. How can you take this? Seriously you know even with a more direct threat, it's like and they don't I don't know just. Well, here's the other thing. The whoever the guy, Ben Garrison or whatever his name is maybe I should get the guy's name name right and. That's not his actual name but whoever this Cheddar Main Ben Lambert was his was his name. Cheese. Lambert. From what I understand he did not report this to the government. He didn't call the police because he was afraid of being attacked by can't well I, mean, that's evidence in it of itself. It's not that he wasn't heating feel threatened you police he didn't do anything about it. You know I mean, how can you? How can you now then have a jury decide that this was a genuine threat when the person who was being threatened didn't even believe it was a threat exactly and I forget exactly what the story was I. Remember they told it when we were at his bail hearing of as far as there was like. A federal agent whose job it is to monitor some of these Nazis essentially and this federal agent sauce and posts about the back and forth between Cantwell and this guy. So it was just sort of chattering about the things that they chatter about their fighting with one another the federal agents saw and he sent this information to his higher ups or whoever who are investigating well, and then they used it to bring charges, which they of course then used to search his home and confiscated seventeen guns and confiscate whatever other evidence of whatever they could possibly charge him with and of all the terrible things that this guy has said. That's all they came out with was was this one statement about having sex? This guys says, this is the problem with criminalising speech. I. I mean if there's no actual action taken in addition to speech. Well. That's it. He did send peach his ex girlfriend to this guy's house to find out where he lived allegedly. Now how that ended up happening I'm not real clear. I. Mean I, story only story I don't think was sufficiently clear on you know what happened when in how but It's still it still seemed to be a bit of a stretch to me. You know considering that he didn't take any action he traveled anywhere. You know he didn't you know. It's like nor does he have a history of doing anything right right like there's not enough to one time. To actual action taken towards that to that end of you know doing some sort violence there's not a lot of evidence for that very weak and hopefully the jury will see that clearly but then again, I don't think it matters whether they think that he was it was a general third or not because they're going to convict him on what's most people don't care. They don't care. He's a bad person. That's what they're. GonNa. Disagree with them that he's about you know he he thinks some things that are not white at least. But he should be punished with and you're absolutely right I they came. It's ironic right? I can't. Thank, him for the SEC didn't speak up because I was it right. Now you're referring to the pastor Martin, Niemoeller poem from the Nineteen Forties that was written by a Jewish gentlemen who went through some horrible times and his his statement was I came for the Communists and I didn't speak up wasn't a communist and now they Had the communists. Yeah. Literally the same thing they started out coming know. Radical math murdering totalitarian and this is you know the funny thing is this is I would be up on the you know I would be in defense of you know I I would stand up against. These blacklists and things when they actually was alive at the time, you know when they had the these lists to blue to blacklist communists I would have stood up against that as well. If that was going on today because it's not it's not a bow. It's not about what somebody is saying it's it's about the right to say it. I'll give you a call when Roach starts firing up the helicopter. Roaches my roommate. Listeners don't know who that is. Yeah. Well, it's true but they didn't have to get the job. I didn't want to out him. So if you WanNa comment, you can our number's eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free. So yeah, it's not clear that this was at a threat to anybody and it really does beg the question of why do they pick on this one guy this Christopher and well gets the crying Nazis irresistible but in his way for certain purpose at the same time though I mean just as an Example there's a guy who's called this show who has leveled threats at multiple hosts of the show I don't care. Person doesn't marks children had that's when I when I said no I'm not going to interact with us, and here's the thing like I don't care. You can say what you want doesn't matter to me but mark took it real personal because it's his family and you. Guys got to protect his family right so he's he's he's called the government and he called the FBI he called the Arizona Police. He called the keen police and they have not helped him one iota and this guy, this guy has actually threatened marking. RETU-. There's many recordings audio recordings of this day will do nothing about you can't well says, he's going to have sex somebody's wife, and now he's facing twenty seven years in prison. It's a politically popular thing that the FBI effectively doing and it's it's it's all show people are gonNA. Cheer on his conviction if that's what comes back from versus jury, it's it's going to rod lest it's sick. Eight fifty, five, four, fifty kind it lowers you to Chris's level. If you do that stuff we're coming up, it's free talk live. He's been pretty good investment for Free Talk Live their ad campaign started in September two, thousand nineteen and from mid March to mid July the values soared by ten times. 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Thad what was allegedly going on in a telegram conversation between Cantwell and some other Nazi holes and the Federal Government decided they were going to get involved in this case even though Campbell has certainly said worse things to other people who aren't Nazis and even though there's plenty of other people out there too that actually do make threats against individuals. The FBI doesn't really seem to want to spend any time on so more direct threats at that not just. Frivolous Internet. I think this was a large it just a basically an excuse to search his house they've been they've been according to the testimony in the trial earlier this week Oh. Yeah. They'd been monitoring his home for a couple of years actually they had a camera placed outside of what they call a light pole camera or something like that. So they'd mounted a device to one of the polls on the street pointing at Cantwell's front door and parking area. Did they show it? It looked like I wasn't in the court hearing. So I don't know got to ask her so we can go out and find out where ours is. Right. What's it look like? Yeah, it's. It's disturbing because it's like they basically were going after him for purely speech because was never made any kind of you know any kind of actual violence. He's just a big mouth I. mean he he didn't fight when he was in that big fractious down in Virginia which is why he went to jail and. Five or six months. But that was a self defense I mean you also has opposing side that violence. Okay. So if to gangs show up to fight neither of them can really claim self defense they can claim consensual combat. Yeah. But you know what I think it's a little bit unfair to say that both sides showed up the fight I mean, he actually went I'm not agreeing with the permanent thing but he they went out and they got his side went out and got a permit and was supposed to be there and other side I. think it's hard to argue that there was this was set up by his side so to speak. They definitely were looking for a fight I mean there's no doubt about that. I don't think there's any doubt they were prepared for a fight knew that it was a possibility took the actual and they they did take some steps to make it to try to make themselves in the sort of the. On. Well Anyway. So we're going to get back into your phone calls. So we got Robert He's on the line in Vermont Robert. You're on free talk live with the Chris and nobody. Okay. So my prediction is injured at walk on that. Really you think he's going to walk all the charges. He Ain't going I know you can walk. Okay, well, why do you believe that? Do you think? You know he's a a an informant FBI. This is just a show trial is I don't think mean what's your? What's your thinking? Why would they let him off with most people are not? Right say that again, Robert You were. It was only walk they did he did nobody sorry typed out admitted to it he he was no no see. The problem is he admitted to being the person behind those telegram chats otherwise you're right. If he'd kept his mouth shut than they would never been able to prove that was actually Kris well who was behind the name Chris Carrawell because anybody else could you know there's some guy right now if you on telegram you look for F. T.. L.. E.. There's another hold on. There's another guy that uses my same name except he uses A. Lower Case L. in stead of a capital I. So it looks like with the San Sarah looks like the same name, but it's not the same person and he masquerades as he tries to get people to send him crypto. Something else here because you have to remember when the forensics investigates up on the stand they testify about this stuff. They can't tell you who was at the computer that was sending that message says you know so it somebody else did the. Unless Campbell says I did this and he's actually exactly. The things I always like to point out and you know these people people blindly trust forensics, people, and especially for computer forensics people, and it's like most of it is like a load I can't finish that sentence but it's a lot of S. Yeah. Yeah. What a crap is that translate. It's not very. Very good science. No No. No, it's not. It's not science. It's you know it's. It's just so. Amazing that people will connect on the slightest of evidence he admitted to it though Robert. So he doesn't have the ability to say that it wasn't him. He he can't can't do that. Gas. Pre I think that we did calling to be up on that stand. Go horrible things said about marketing. Do. Whether the theory about him is that he's actually an FBI agent and and that's an interesting theory I. Don't know if there's any actual evidence for, but he does lack honor. So he fits the profile. Thank you. Stone waste of white. That's thanks for the call man I appreciate it. I don't WanNa get on the air and talk talk about somebody behind their backs so much. But I I did I don't think it's behind their back if you're broadcasting true but I well, he's not here to respond to it I didn't use his name earlier on purpose. So because it wasn't relevant, it was just to point out that the F. B. is going after cow well, well, they're not going after other people who've actually aid for it would make sense for them more make more sense from new after winning kind I would still actually get up in defend. I would say that was probably probably also be bad move on FBI's power because I don't think there's any genuine they're either have been has because he taken any steps to actually come to gain. Well, you know not say, but let me how many times do you have to have somebody three kids life before it's genuine constantly threatening his kids kids life that doesn't mean that there's any evidence that this guy is actually got the bill. Who Lends look at it from the other side Rhino some further evidence some further act beyond just words if he came to king, you know and you know drove by the House three times and he had a shotgun in the back and the COP pulled him over. Okay. Sure. Could victim but until he's actually gone up gone and taking some. Reasonable action beyond just to speech. I don't think it's something that should be pursuing. See I think that could be perfectly justified if he killed whitaker. I think he would if he and frank. 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He apparently according to the excerpts here from informant DOT news was talking about his relationship with the woman that was named Peach that he sent to allegedly find out where his supposed victim Aka Cheddar main one of the members of the Nazi group Bowl patrol. Sent her down to his home. This is starting to sound like aqua teen hunger for sits at. And she took photos at the home including one of Ben Lambert supplied additional photos and Lambert's address to can't well, which the government alleged he used to threaten and Extort Lambert in giving up information on the Bowl Patrol leader Aka Vic mackey when asked by his defense attorney to explain his relationship with peach can't we'll began crying he said I asked her to marry me can't. Well. Continued crying as he read aloud excerpts from the messages at the center of the alleged crimes quote. So if you don't want me to come and F your wife in front of your kids, then you should make yourself scarce. This is what can't well said to the support victim here and then said further quote I bet one of my in-cell listeners would love to give her another baby unquote. How so that he would then be. Allowing one of his listeners. To, have sex with this guy's wife again, more evidence that this is absurd. So if it wasn't absurd enough that can't well himself was going to come thousand miles and meet and have sex with this woman. It was even more absurd that he would then team up with one of his listeners to have sex with a woman and the thing is it's like they're basically the FBI is relying on the fact that he's a not claimed. You know he admits to being an Nazi or white supremacist whatever you know basically eat to gain a conviction because you know anybody who knows this guy? You know? No, he's a character is listened to show has said that. He's literally advertises himself as a character on his show and his little bore. This whole idea? I'm gate man and I've had him in my home I've had on on a show that I do and didn't attempts to kill you. Kill me he threatened. And when he does a good guest, he was a good guess you're on the air and he's been around other people who are. You know who he gets on the air and attacks like your J.. It's another gay guy who gets alerts can lots of. People and people of Color and things that and other people that are his supposed. Enemy, that he interacts with Inkinen has for years this you know this whole idea that you some sort of violent threat is. It's a fictitious made up story by the FBI. Up. Fictitious made up story I can't well, maybe because he certainly went out of his way on the HBO. Special to make himself look at ask threatening that's exactly what he was trying to combat. Aso. Is. It's like if you dress up like a thug, can you blame people for thinking? That's the thought. It's a good question. Let's bring. Melania. On the line here you spent the day I presume in court there at Federal Court Melania was this your first day or have you done multiple days this week. no, I went Wednesday and today drilling GonNa go Monday. But I was told that the trial would end today and they would try to go to Monday so. the jury is in, it's not called recess, but the jury is home for the weekend they're gonNA come back and finish the rations. Monday so far yeah it was. We've recapped just before you go on, we've recapped yesterday based on. Hillary sergeants article at Informant Dot News. So he started the day to day. Was it cross examination right away or with their still some defense examination that happened I this morning. He was still it was still his attorney. When I walked in about a half hour late K so and Yeah and I wasn't. I wasn't like taking notes or anything because I wasn't really there as a reporter I was Kinda originally reluctant to call honestly because. I wasn't there as a reporter I, wasn't. Preparing in that way or anything like sure but just going off your recollection. In the courtroom, what are some some highlights? What what do you think? Our audience you should hear about what you experienced. Yeah. So I mean today was today it was just. It wasn't the US versus Chris was the US versus radical agenda archives basically. They. The prosecution wanted to pull a clip and they did pull a clip of something that he had said in two thousand fifteen like do you remember this episode? called. I. Hate Cops and Twenty Fifteen. And I was like, no, I don't remember specific over twenty fifteen and I mean he has since changed his it was weird because it was state Chine to. Argue in some sense that conspiracy isn't a real thing and the state trying to. IMPEACH SOMEBODY WHO Is Not an Erica city more on the fact that they were on anarchist. I mean before I moved to new. Hampshire it was a couple months before I moved here I was GonNa say four years ago he wasn't he wasn't. His racism only started maybe three, hundred, sixty, nine now no, he started his racism in twenty fifteen. Was Twenty but they. May Twenty, fifteen, it was. Even visited New Hampshire. It was a little bit later in two, thousand, fifteen, I think it was probably the very end if not the beginning of two, thousand, sixteen somewhere in that range what a bonehead moved about the only explanation he could give to me as that Marx was Jew and I was like Ludwig von Mises was a Jew Milton. Friedman was a Jew. These are all for people who don't know these are all capitalist the philosopher's. So if your problem is that you know socialism came out of Jewish people, it's like well. So so did a lot of capitalist economic who cares? Especially especially, Wednesday I had made the comment earlier that. The system went in and made a mockery of itself. Worse than any of us in the community to ever fire to. And how's that? So they are I mean it was all day long Wednesday they pulled the FBI agent or they called the FBI agent. And they started asking him about the case. And then they and I got I got a friend request. This morning from somebody who looks very much like this FBI agent, but is a sock account. They they start asking about the case which was normal enough. and. Then they start asking him about Cheddar main. Aka. been. Lambert. Asking him if he was offered to be able to come up or off offer to cooperate with him. And the FBI agent said no and he's like and then. Asked wasn't implied that he would get out of trouble if he cooperated with the investigation against Chris. And the FBI agent went not give a straight answer. He's Started well, I can't testify what was in other guys had your I. Interpreted it I'm like, okay. But how did you say it though? So That's interesting is that's lacking in the material that we've read thus far I believe. 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Rand said racism is the lowest and most based form of collectivism and he should've known better but I guess he thought he could get rich or something to the thing is i. think a lot of it is he got scammed by the media because the media has been trying to play it up like there's millions and millions of millions of racists in America which I don't think is true your average person. Seems to respond with revulsion. Yeah. When he sees a racist but they they played up the idea that there are a whole lot of him. He got it. Well, I said, well, I don't see any blogs. I don't see that many blogs for them. I don't see that many outlets for him. If there's that many they must need that that's a market niche. He figured he could do better at being a racist and he could it being libertarian comedian, which is what he was four and he went down that road sadly has now led to him fighting. Infighting course he created infighting within the liberty community as well which one of the reasons why some people thought he was federal agent. See I always thought he was a fad especially after he went crying Nazi I thought Oh. Wow. He came up here and embarrassed to free staters and now he's GonNa go down there and embarrassed the non if he's fed he's deep cover man because he spent more than a year and a half I think of his life at this point behind bars in the last few years I was thinking about that. Is If people aren't visiting regularly. You know he could just spend a few hours in jail because nobody sees him in there. Really. Especially, if he's in solitary a lot, you'd have to check with the other people on its I mean you could the People who work at the jail would be able to testify to that I mean it'd probably not all FBI agents. Almost certainly not all F. B. I. Agents, but they are all. Certainly, trusted with secrets like when are we going to you? When are we going to move this mafia informant over to the courthouse? So you know they have ways of keeping secrets in jail I don't know I think that's a stretch stretch. Very. It's Putting them in jail then where's he stand? Are they putting them up at a hotel maybe on the beach in Tel Aviv. With. Let's bring. Melania back on the line himself. By the way it is and maybe mentioned that Melanie's back with us here. She was actually at the hearing both today and yesterday, and you're giving us the perspective of somebody who isn't biased against it well, per se. Like the The lady who's been writing at informant dot news we were sharing earlier, Melanie go ahead. What else did you observe? What did you want to share? Yeah. I mean so and he did not create infighting philosophical purity is both. Important and useful for some people but. Not philosophically pure at this point. Straight up state. We're talking about in in the past and okay as an anarchist and yet no, I'm definitely biased I'm just biased from the opposite perspective of this unoriginal I. Didn't say you were unbiased I said you didn't have the same bias as as. Your was very carefully. But Damning thing to the states to me is the fact that and I wouldn't expect most people would know this. They cannot subpoena Cheddar main. That's the alleged victim in this case, but he was testifying. He was there. The way federal courthouses is they can subpoena anyone in the state and they can subpoena anyone with one hundred miles of the courthouse. Throw. The Entire Investigation Been Lambert lived in Missouri you could not be subpoenaed so either. Really really hates Chris that much that he was willing to take a week out of his life. Go on the record with his real name and do this whole trial thing. or He for whatever reason believed that he was going to be not prosecuted or go on lightly on. With or without the insinuation of this particular FBI agent if he drove or if he flew himself up to New Hampshire. Something he can be cross examined on. I was not there the whole way to be cross examined. Don't credibility and they did cross examined him on. And the FBI agent to on what his motive might be I was not there for the whole trial. So I can't say that they did or didn't ask. A specific line of question. You believe that the supposed victim who never reported this supposed- crime the FBI came to him. He had not considered it an honest threat because they would've. Gone to him, right yeah. How else would they have to justify? They went to him and tell him about it. He he thought they were there for drug first thing out of his mouth was not disguised threatening me and my wife but it was its construction paper. They had a picture of him with acid on his tongue and he testified that it was construction paper. He contradicted himself all day long and he He. He broke the four broke the fourth wall from the stand it was if it wasn't so high stakes. It would be hilarious. When you say, he broke the fourth wall normally that's like a camera like video term to refer to somebody who is being recorded in looks into the camera and sort of acknowledges that the audience is there What does it mean in terms of a courtroom? I'm just adopting the phrase really, but he was very obviously heavily coached whether that was the prosecution or by somebody else I can't really say but draw your own conclusions and you believe that this man was offered a deal in return for this and that was made somewhat clear by testimony that you saw I don't think that he was explicit deal I. think it was made clear to him that he had better testify or Elton would happen to him. This doesn't the kind of thing doesn't me I? Think they do that kind of thing all the time Sure they do I'm it's just I mean based on just what I've heard and what I've read at various points from people both personally in real life and just on you know online and stories and things. What do you think you'll Nonni keep on? So. They asked. They asked him. A question I forgot exactly what the question was, but it was the question was, did you say Xyz and I forgot what it was? The supposed victim actress remain did you say Xyz and he said Cheddar Maine said no, and then he paused and then he said wait I mean not that I can recall. Link. US Man Really. Ocean custody side that his wife had absolutely no idea about his own lie persona but then he also testified and said at the FBI. Agent when they showed up to his house, he was wearing a bowl patrol e shirt Strange things I mean that does sound contradictory to me. Very strange in west she doesn't know what bowl patrol is because I wouldn't necessarily know I would. Be a particularly. Pleasant. Shirts I mean I suspect you're right. Recognize roof years after but. All right. So so it sounds like you think that their main witness or one of their main witnesses against Chris was fairly unreliable. The supposed victim that he may have been under threat to testify in this particular case. But what about Chris what? Chris took the stand in his own defense normally that's a tactic that most defense attorneys will will encourage. Discourage their clients from taking what was your without. We're GONNA get into some of the summary here but your overall view should Chris taken the stand did it help them? That is difficult to answer without having seen the case file and without even having seen the whole trial there was a gag order on this case so I could not have seen the whole case file if I. was even inclined to spend my time reading it for the past month. That is a tactic that defense attorneys take because they are under the impression rightly or wrongly that they have guilty clients. Because they can't Sabur suborned perjury as an attorney. And if you know that your client is guilty, you're going to be very hesitant to put them on the stand because anything that you ask them is going to be asking for perjury if they tell a lie. Yea. Guilty either tell tell the truth. That's what's going to happen. Chris. Honest to the extent of his own detriment. Really there was even a point where the attorney objected to a question and. The judge sustained it which means that The question doesn't have to be answered. And Chris kind of on objected to the question answered it. Anyway he wanted to answer it and answered it anyway. and. I was sitting in the audience like. I don't know I I can't say. I can't say. Should I answer questions? 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Melanie you were telling us just recapping basically off of your memory. You didn't take notes if if you WANNA, take notes all you can ever do there in federal court is bringing a panipat, a paper and Pencil, they will not let a cell phone they will not let a laptop unless you're attorney attorneys can have cell phones, but everybody else can bring in any electronic devices to try to record the the trial or they get really mad about that. So you're just kind of recapping for us. Chris, went on the stand yesterday and re remained there this morning when cross examination began You basically said that the the federal government's witness, the supposed victim in this case who never actually complained to any police about what happened to him, which was essentially just a just some some s talking online between him and Cantwell. Christopher Campbell former Co host here on free talk live who we fired a few years back several years ago for becoming a racist, he went spiraled down the drain and became a full on Nazi and became a relatively visible figure in the alt-right slash white separatist white nationalist movement to now is facing up to twenty seven years in prison for basically talking trash to somebody on the Internet. So go ahead with more of your observations please. And so another thing that Cheddar main did Wednesday was the alleged victim. Yeah, they had the Jerry out of the room and he's still on the stand because they put people up in a certain order and they take people down in order. And he's trying to get the judges attention and the judge is like, what's wrong? Do you need a break? And he said, no, I need to talk to the prosecutor about the case. And judge was like, no you. Can't do that. There's no legitimate reason for you to do that, and there isn't a legitimate reason to do that. If he's just answering questions honestly there's absolutely no reason for him to talk to the prosecution. In the middle of at that point at this stage. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause he should just be answering questions. Honestly right nine fine to see what? The coaching is what you're either going to be and. The judge ordered him at that point not to talk to either the council until his testimony was over. But it was just it was the most ridiculous he testify. Yeah I i. think he this LSD was construction paper. I that. He was talking about how you know he was so sorry and I think he gave a statement to Hillary about how sorry he was. And he testified on the stand that he had left this community and realized that it was horrible. Now, this is a guy he looked me he was about forty. He has four kids he was in in business. It sounds like he owned his own business with that might have not been the case. Like. He's not a twelve year old saying stupid things online. This is a grown man with a life. and. He's testifying that he recently just realized how horrible it was decided to stop but then also testified. That he had loyalty to the mackey who was the leader of this group he was in. So. He nothing he said really added up in. Any logical manner but I mean, my concern is. We're not going to be making decisions based on the facts of the case the making decisions based on who do we hate the most and by that you mean the jury. And can well is a not a likable percent personality, right? are going to hate him the question is. Are. They able to actually look at the evidence or the lack of it in this particular case and put aside any kind of personal judgments about this individual and actually look at this and say, was this actually a threat? Where Cantwell said that he was going to sex with this man's wife in front of their children now, and these are people who did not sign up to make those kind of detached decisions. Joy You sign up for that arbitrators sign up for that. You don't sign up you don't even. Sign up to have that ability and skills that you got a letter in the mail that says be here on this day or else right I mean the threat doesn't make sense as a threat like it doesn't even it's not coherence as it's not even a threat to say you're going to F man's wife could be that could be a consensual act. It is not clear. He didn't say he was going to do it against her will you know I mean it's not installed right? Like the insoles is. She's going to be okay with best because you're just. That a loser. Doesn't. It doesn't come off It just comes off is so ridiculous and over the top, you know it doesn't. Like. It's like, how do you take that? Seriously I don't even know that well, especially when he added to it after that the extra line about how one of his in listeners would love to give her another baby now to clarify he's not charged with that because that's not how indictment for he's charged with the afterlife statement sure the bus acution has to pick an act and charge him with it. They really shouldn't be talking about. Collateral. Statement that's what makes it clear even more clear that it's ridiculous that he would then bring one of his listeners with them and have a tag team or something like that I mean it's ridiculous. They can't say you're charged with threats and then we will bring in evidence of any threat we went on trial day they have to pick a threat they are charged with this and nothing else is relevant. This was brought up I mean it was brought upping it but this was brought up in court. The fact that he added this other line about the in sells well I'm glad it was because in my opinion, it makes it more absurd. If all he said was I'm going to F your wife in front of your children with nothing else if you take words out of context, you can interpret them in. Were not intended. So, tell me good. I don't think it was. What I don't think the trial was ran as. A. State versus Chris Trial I think it was ran as a radical agenda versus bowl cast trial. On as the worst shows. All right. So what about Chris's what about the cross examination? Of Chris Because that's obviously the real dangerous territory right? Somebody takes the the the stand in their own defense and then they get cross examined. So what did he have to face in that particular case that situation I mean it's mainly dangerous if if you have something to hide. They were asking. They were mainly asking him about what remains should have thought what his wife should have thought which had no contact with kettering twice. They were asking him who was actually against was it against hitter meaner his wife i. mean this is confusing. To have sex with his wife, right but is that against Cheddar main or was it against his wife? They will that he can threaten. Clayton. Victim. Gender mainstream victim according to the state. That's bizarre. Okay. Okay. So what about the cross examination got? She doesn't she didn't want to call him they can't subpoena her. She's like I don't care who told off my husband on the Internet three years ago two years ago whatever it was I live in Missouri you know having Nice, life. So what about the cross? Chris Yeah, they just they were asking him what could possibly meant and There was A. A on a statement I guess not none of these really threats. Against Chris's then girlfriends right before he told Cheddar man when he told Cheddar Maine and so it really was just two guys yelling at each other. What you're saying is Cheddar main also issued a threat against or what could have been interpreted as a threat against Chris's girlfriend. Figure? Yeah. He cheddar main just. Something like I guess if you do that, you don't care what happens to her. So. Can you hang on for one more one more segment? Sounds like a fiscal, you've time. All right more with Melanie here. We're going to get her final thoughts on the Chris Cantwell Trial. What does she think the jury is going to do in this particular case there's more coming up. Free Talk. Live. Our. Coat is very thick. He's an Akita German Shepherd Lab Husky Mix Herald the border collie picnics has the most beautiful jet black coats stuart. My rat terrier has for now where he never had it before D. I N. O. V. I T. E. DOT com diner by we'll give them a beautiful lustrous coach. 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She's kind of recapping her experience of the last two days of being at the Christopher Cantwell trial which took approximately three days it started on. Tuesday. Actually I can it's four days started Tuesday ended today. And you were just kind of recapping that you felt like the trial basically broke down to federal government attacking Chris Cantwell's Radical Agenda Program and the other side attacking this bowl patrol program, which is these are basically both right ultra right-wing. Nazi. Racist programs that hated each other at one time they were friends then they hated each other and then the FBI decided to get involved and bring criminal charges against Chris can't. Well, it seems so they could basically rate his house and take all his stuff. To See, I, think that happened in the reverse order I think they were looking for I think they've been looking for reasons last. What was it? Twenty seven, twenty, eighteen well, they put a camera up outside of his house. They admitted that as early as twenty eighteen they'd had a camera up outside of his house and they were watching him come and go and they've been investigating him for quite a while. So yeah, I think you're right. And most people if you have the FBI. Investigating them for three or four years. there. You'RE GONNA come up with a lot worse than them saying to an anonymous person on the Internet I'll ask your life. Yeah. That's all they had. That's that's all they have. But for them they had on him and but but for them, that was enough to get a warrant to search his home and basically take all his hard drives and you know that way they wanted to find more right like they wanted to find some sort of dirty details in these hard drives and really didn't. Find anything else you know what's amazing is that they even allowed that warrant. You know I mean this is shocking. That's not that amazing. Well, no, it's not amazing in our system is terrible. It's like they just it just goes to evidence that they rubberstamped these warrants. You know it shouldn't have gone past the rubber stamp the well, it shouldn't have gotten past the warrant stage in the first place and yet it did and it's you saying the judge signed the warrant. Yeah. Yes that's what I'm saying. So. Melanie anything else from the last day the testimony that it was only Chris that they called. Right they didn't call a second defense witness. Was Just Kris Okay and well, you can can you encapsulate the the closing statements to some extent? Yes. So the Prosecutor got up there was like we'll see this statement regular person would take. This is a threat, and so therefore, it's a threat this must be. Cheddar man and his wife were thinking you weren't talking about regular people you were talking about to Neon or whatever I mean seriously at that point like, yes. If you walked up to a regular person and said that that will be a problem. If. You have a community who just? Tries to see what's the most outrageous thing they can possibly stay. Constantly one nothing all that out of line for that and when you take it in the context, you can see that that's exactly what they were doing. Trying to one up themselves. Posting and said. He, they showed their they had just got done showing him a parade of means like this is the doing roof me. This is about rape. This is about genocide the meam about mass shooting. And then right after that, he testified dachshund is the worst thing that you could do to another person. Who's who testified this? Cheddar Maine said that. Right after being shown a parade of named about way more horrible things. duxing which for our listeners that don't know the releasing of already public information about a person. Under. Oath. Dachshund is the worst thing you possibly do I wouldn't that possibly credible statement I don't know but. Okay. Any any summary further on the defense closing statement. Yeah it was. It was pretty much. And I I was gone for some of it because I had I had to get a babysitter at the last minute. So it was like having to go up and down to check my phone to see if she could still keep him. But from what I remember from what I was there for it was basically like this is this is the community. This is the standard. In context standards of behavior of this community. I, which is, which is like any other environment, right? Like there's so. If you're in somebody's house, don't do line the coke and get drunk but if you're in. A shady bar maybe you do in. Taking saying, Oh, she got drunk in a bar. It's kind of a ridiculous statement where saying. Them maybe that's and it's the same type of deal. Great Just in general on on threats like if I say to somebody will rip your arm off and beat you to death with it. It can actually at arrestable threat because I used to say that people all the time. Or. I'll tear your head off and and. Well relieve myself down your neck. It would have to be a I'm hesitant to make determinations. In that specific but I would say no, because it has to be credible as a threat it can't be an exaggeration. Or just basically. So fanciful of it it just. Is. It really plausible it has to be credible as a threat yet. So just make sure it's not somebody who's actually seen. Me Do that and yet they have. Christopher. On trial. Yeah. So Missouri to go try to sleep with this woman. Right he never said he was going to rape her if he'd said, he was going to rape or maybe they'd have. To. Stand on but he didn't say that. So next time Chris say seduce. Offense yeah. That's not what he's charged with. So Hey, Melanie. So used you know your thoughts on the jury when did they start to deliberate today? How close to closing time? It was about three o'clock. So court closes at what four, four, thirty something like that. I do not know the trials have been ending at four thirty. Basically, they had an hour. They probably got some jury instructions probably had like less than an hour to actually deliberate today and isn't it normally intrusive? Not have to come back next week that's true. Returned with avert yeah. Isn't it normally true if a if a jury usually comes back quickly with the verdict, it's it's guilty. I generally speaking, yes I've never actually seen a jury. Holdover on a Friday. because. They were there. I had actually driven back to concord thinking that I was going to be there for several more hours and they were already gone. It was about five when no closer to sticks when I left and the attorney was still outside, which Jerry wasn't back yet. and. So there's a good chance that's jury is split SPLIT ALONG IDEOLOGICAL LINES SPLIT BETWEEN THE DEMOCRATS WANTED TO CONVICT and Republicans because nobody cares what was done anymore l. anybody cares about is who did it Melanie thank you for staying on this extended. On for an hour. 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I created for myself and now that you've got another group I'm starting I'm starting meetings over in a secret room over there. It's not a secret. Now, you just let the cat out of. What his name I don't know how to get into I. Think you have to be invited to get into those right? Their private rooms I think is what haven't I haven't tried one of those private was the room I word I was looking for secret. Okay so let's continue here. Guys we've got TJ the spy he's online calling us from Colorado. My main skin what's up? Yes, nobody Chris. To hear from you guys. Technically, we're hearing from you and it's Good to hear from you go ahead. just wanted to let you know yeah. Chris Cantwell's case started in twenty eighteen after he got on the F. B. I. Radar when he said something like he vowed revenge for Charlottesville boob and so the the he vowed revenge for Charlottesville and so in late hold on. You gotta go back further. It was I think in twenty seventeen where he was talking with. He was he was he was alerting the FBI to his I. Think he actually had Phil Christiana. The very same agent who tried to try to coerce nobody testifying against the Libertarians up here in New Hampshire and wearing a wire into the keen activist center. The very same Phil Christiana was who Chris Cantwell was on the phone with while he was had yet to turn himself in after the the CHARLOTTESVILLE events. So that would have been in August of two thousand seventeen. So at the very least he was in touch with the FBI that far back. Yeah the the FBI Minster Investigation. Then it was one of those things when they open the investigation, then they put the pole camera on their once you start an FBI investigation are very hard to stop and they're very intensive resource intensive In particular they actually sent this is very unusual. They sent four federal agents from the Boston Field Office QB Saint Louis Division to interview Mr Lambert h header main and ask him if he'd be a cooperating victim because they they made it clear that he wouldn't be prosecuted if he agreed to testify so. It was one of those things I? Absolutely. I wish I would have been there with the four federal agents when they walked into. Then Lambert's place of business here in Saint Louis? where my family lives and I said by the way, this is really hard to escape Chris. He follows me wherever I go. I can be anywhere in the country. Comes across. Our Cantwell arrested how do? They did that. agent Saint, Tang, Tong Buddha's testimony. He's testified that they they sent four agents from the Boston field office to go interview shatter main in Saint. Louis how did you get? Was from Hillary Sergeant and also following on Pacer. Oh Pacers. Penser gets it in real time. No, they upload the transcripts What test. They do apple. Transcripts I thought it was just decisions. No no no. No. The Patriots transcripts it's ten cents or while eight cents a page but I Modi Upload Them. So that seals like thirty sixty days submission. So we won't be able to see what happened in today's testimony. How did you get the transcripts if they're seal was in the bail hearing they're not they're not field you can actually go down and look at them at the courthouse so that you're not into. Pastry. Yet how just I to answer your question I don't know how I know this. It's just one of those things I know. I thought you had a a memory that was One of those identified memories I'm not I just I just thought it would be a bad time to tell Chris that the federal public defender's office has two percent acquittal rate at trial. This is it is really bad. Yeah so I mean currently you know I'd say there's a two percent chance Chris gets acquitted maybe five to ten percent chance a hung jury and I'm putting eighty percent on you know conviction just because. Now what? Do you. Put on hung cellmate. God. I didn't say that never mind I withdraw the question your honor. Yes. Yes but Yeah. I can tell you like for normally a victim goes to the FBI and says, this guy said this to me and they issued the warrant investigation? This was Chris threatened the guy. Bay came upon his chat from a lead in the Seattle field office who was monitoring the telegram chat room and they forwarded it to the New Hampshire though the Boston office and that's where the investigation commenced is. So they've been following him for whatever reason since the beginning with the poll camera and once you are under investigation, of course, it's very hard to stop because the FBI wants to get something. You know imagine you're an agent just spent a year or two investigating the guy you want crime to show something for your effort. So. Yeah. Sent for agents from the Boston Field Office to the Saint Louis Field Office to go interview Ben Lambert and he agreed to testify. Doubt there was probably a little hint. That if he didn't agree to testify, they might arrest him for some of the things that he said. So you know that you will and you've been raided by the FBI. So you know how they operate they can be very bullying if you let them and so you know if you just that's why you always you don't say anything to them and that was one of the things Chris absolutely made a mistake God by talking to the FBI. Not only once but constantly and not just step into his Phil Christiana and Phil Christiana Za Lirey perjured himself trial. So you give him an opportunity to lie. It's not just what you say to them. It's what they can sail. You said that's right because there's no recordings they have allocated don't record interviews demand recording. Yes I absolutely will not speak to the. FBI. Especially, if it's not being recorded because then it's your word against the FBI agents at trial Oh, and one other reason not to speak to the. FBI If you lied to the FBI either non. Trivial if you say you had waffles for breakfast and you really had pancakes that's like a ten year felony. five is eighteen united. States showed sexual. All. Show off eighteen eighteen USC section one, zero zero one applies to all federal government officials. So if you actually read your tax return when you sign it at the bottom, it'll stay under penalty of eighteen USC section one, Zero Zero One you're certifying the following information is true incorrect. Now, what's the difference between that and then needed memory? TJ Mine's just a really good memory and and eighteen. USD section one zero zero one is one of those that I know because it's so frequently charged aligned to the FBI or the secret service or lying any federal government officials. So when you go to the post office and they ask you what's in the box and you say books when in fact there're drugs they can actually charge you not only with interstate transportation of drugs they cost charged with lying to the post office employee TJ three, point one, four, one. One Five, nine, two, six, five, three, five, eight, nine, seven, three, two, eight, four. One, six, nine, three, nine, nine, three, one, five, Bird. Thank you for the call. TJ. If you WANNA stay, you can't remember it's free talk live. What if you could cut your heating bills this winter with your existing wood-burning fireplace and not spend thousands doing it. 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Let's go to Jeanne, he's the Christian anarchist. We've finally got everything working with his connection because turns out the the Matrix chat server actually built they built in Gypsy into the element. Program so there's a lot of chat just to explain to you that we've got Jean the Christian guest finally on the line with us here, and it sounds pretty good gene you're on free talk, live. Yeah in the Matrix Matrix. Matrix has you. Head. Gene. So I'm GonNa, talk about another matrix this. Engineered prices called Kobe. All right. The government's almost got thrown show without talking about this go ahead. Yeah. The governments have always used manufactured crises in order to control people and this the more we look at this Kobe nineteen thing the more it looks like even though I don't know whether the drug whether the disease was actually manufactured in a lab, I think it was but it's really not important. How this disease scam about what is important? Is the fact that they are absolutely lying to everybody about number one, the numbers and number two, the treatments because I've mentioned in the past that I Clark. been. Azithromycin and Saint seems to be a very effective treatment, but there's another treatment out there. And that is another. Drug that's used for. Parasites it's straight. It's it's interesting that the. Drug seems to be affected intriguing. Nineteen but. The point is you're not GonNa hear this branch makes sense if it comes from the government. You're not gonNA hear it from any news source. They're trying to bury all this information even want around false video Scott banned from youtube because he was talking about. And thank God run all Studio Kate. There were that he appeared to suffer from a stroke while he was on the air on his his Internet television program and. Pretty scary situation he got checked into a hospital was photographed. Given a thumbs up with big smile saying things forever for everyone's concern but he says he's doing well. So yeah. So some vibes and some love and he's eighty five years old and in great shape for given held. Old He is. Yeah, he is. Is Age Alabama after. But the the whole. The whole point of in Ronco is a great fighter. Trying to get rid of them is a great fighter trying to get rid of this nonsense with over nineteen and he's also a doctor So people need to listen to their doctors. You know you don't see too many doctors out there screaming from the rooftops that this disease is out. Because the doctors are treating them on a daily basis and they realize, hey, Busta of these patients are signed even if you don't treat them, there's a lot of patients that we see that never get. They don't want to take any particular treatment. They just WanNa, go home and work through it and in a few days there again. So some of them are really hard though I mean I don't want to minimize this disease and Tell People Oh, you don't have to worry about both nineteen because it is like a very, very bad flu in some instances. Other instances it's just like children. They don't hardly be illicit all you know what? I think the best way to describe this is. Overly. You know the Fud fear uncertainty and doubt they're using to take advantage of the people It's not so much that there isn't a virus or that it is. Going to you know. It's not serious. It's just not as serious as it's being made out to be I. Mean it's like there's no reason to freak out about this. Exactly. It's a mistake to use the word hoax because people start thinking what you're saying the virus doesn't exist right? There's a virus that exists they're just lying about the severity and using it as an opportunity to rob. US. And they're definitely burying the fact that there are treatments out there that are oh yeah. I mean the governor His Excellency Chris New. Apparently banned all doctors from even prescribing hydrochloric win and this was months ago is when they can't do that. Normally, you can prescribe anything off label it is unprecedented. You can't prescribe this. Has that changed? Any? Are they able to prescribe it now? Worth they. Used Some states, you can prescribe it and. Here. We can. We most interesting away from it because of this of the fear factor have scared the doctors into. Your. So I followed this to some degree pretty indepth for quite a while but not more recently what's happening but my understanding is that effectively you know it, it does work and it's not a danger and what the CDC said was basically. There were there were lying to us and if you look at the Medical information that predates covid. The medications have basically they. The evidence is that it was completely safe and then they came out and they said it's not safe and it's like wh where's your date? US doesn't exist and told the doctor Fosse diller study on this very same drug and found it effective. Which is he found contradictory results to what he's saying paper. How nobody is reading my mind Oh. Wow. Yeah. Because I was just about to say exactly I'll let you say because you can say it more posse did a study on this when SARS came out when there's a Hong Kong and started to spread around the globe, they did a study of hydrochloric than and And they found that it was very effective. So now he's staking exactly the opposite. So you know, he's like he's corrupt as hell. Hey, gene thanks for the call tonight man I appreciate hearing from and glad we finally got you working there over our new chat server at Chat Dot L. are and on FM good gym he's in New Hampshire Jim you're on free talk live go ahead. Lodge FBI, and you guys up in the house rate set them up. Gene to call before he talks about the same time. Same thing every time he calls him. Up. At. All ever talks about going to talk about tonight besides insulting other people. Salting I didn't start with a vial of the hatred pitcher all. Human being people that speak to me is such. You're not a good human beings either is Chris news loser. You're looking at the things. Nine eleven was an inside job in the US. GonNa cry or are you laughing I can't tell the difference in cody and Tj laugh like last all kitty about September eleventh four years ago if I had somebody that I know was murdered on September eleventh. By Nineteen True Believers Karan and ADI's you've been drinking. Living Right now. That's a good retort. Learner speech there Jim Hampshire. Thanks for the call fake. That's James Bad. That's the guy we talked about. We talked about earlier who makes a habit of threatening mark and his family So he made his appearance we'll see you tomorrow night. You can join US online in the meantime over at Free Talk Live Dot Com and don't forget to check out chat dot. 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Yeah I think it could get good again for Miami around, you know it's been a while since this game meant something we remember got my started talking with you back in the early nineties. This was the game of the year, the wide rights and all that but not the same lately but Miami looks like it is slowly crawling back here. The new offensive coordinator Rhett Lashley over from Sonny dykes the staff at smu and Gus Malzahn before that they've installed this spread and the Houston transfer quarterback Derek King man he is taken. To like a duck to water and looked great last week against a Louisville, not the same for Florida State Mike Novell's first year head coach impact Norville. We'll miss this game. He's come down with the Kobe. They've got some issues with that at Florida state in that offense really look sickly in the opener against Georgia. Tech. All Miami here they've won three straight against Florida's anyway make it four in a row thirty, five, sixteen canes on Saturday, and the SEC will open up college football this weekend number sixteen Tennessee going up against South Carolina. Yes Sir and you know somebody friend of ours breath North norsworthy down in Memphis doing shows them for a long time and he said something very poignant to me at an SEC media day recently said somebody's gotTa lose this big everybody and went and drawn a short straws I think has been well must at South Carolina. He's been losing lately. He was fortunate to hang onto his job and the watches on right now for him. If he can't turn around this year, I'm not sure he can especially against the first game there Tennessee closed. Last season very fast. In fact, these teams went different directions after the volunteers won that game forty, one twenty-one in late October quarterback Jarret Gordon Tano is back almost the entire offense back and that volunteer defense allowing didn't allow more than twenty two points in game and it's season six game win streak that started with that. Win over the Gamecocks who faded thereafter Tennessee we're GONNA take the volunteer twenty twenty on Saturday and number two Alabama will open up their season on the road against Missouri and this one should be kind of a walkover shouldn't it? Yeah I think. So during the new head coach Eli drink with comes with a ramp state. He thank the contract last winter and schedule, and he thinks well, I got mercer and Vanderbilt off the bat here I'm GonNa start off to in well, then Kobe comes and they have to change things up the new SEC schedule gives them Alabama in the opener. Welcome to Mizzou coast drink and coach saving was mad enough before the pandemic kit after losing those two games against Lsu and Auburn. Last November he gave back Johnson's new quarterback attest test run after two got hurt. Last Last Fall End Jones look pretty good and I think this is an angry Alabama forty, five, thirteen, Bama. Mizzou drink what's left to wait another week or two or three before they get on track this season. Number Fifteen Oklahoma, they struggled against Tulsa I don't know if that tells us more about Tulsa, more about Oklahoma state, but they go up against West Virginia and this one could be an interesting one. Well Yeah you know they did struggle Tulsa and that surprised because they had been spayed been dumbing, tell us over the last decade whenever they played them. They have perhaps little excuse. Last week was the quarterback Spencer Sanders went out of the game in the first with an ankle. I'm not sure he's going to be back after go with Freshmen Illingworth who ended up. Bailing out the cowboys would turn out to be a very tough game. Last week this has been a competitive series of West Virginia. Even the cowboys have won five in a row number it's like Neil Brown might have turned some things about late last season in his first year at Morgantown. He's still got his quarterback former bowling green transfer gear at daycare really good and the Obamas on the Eastern Kentucky. But he looked awfully good like you look at times down the stretch last season. I think this one's closer on West Virginia might be improved team and I'm not sure Oklahoma state is that gotta get you but Hubbard going better than last week twenty, three, twenty cowboys close one in stillwater and number five Florida also opens on the road they'll go to miss how do you see shaken out? Yeah Dan Mullen, Ex Mississippi state coach He'd been bought Hemingway coaching four egg bulls against the rebels in the past he split those two but the real buzz here is on the inside Lane Kiffin First Game Ole miss head coach I will bet you will burn bridges there eventually, but the honeymoon period might be interesting. Quick turnaround at sort Atlantic. When he was there, he's got two quarterbacks, Matt Corral and John Reese Plumlee a great runner I think he's going to use them both and Mississippi was kind of competitive last year I mean they lost a lot of close games. They were better than that foreign aid indicate I think they're going to play Florida off its Tiki. And there should be pretty interesting opener for link given thirty, one, twenty, nine gators I think they'll survive but not without great difficulty at thought Hemingway it take a look at the rankings it's number one clemson number. Two Alabama we've talked about that a number three Oklahoma they're going to be at home against Kansas state another patsy on their schedule. Yeah they should win this game and this is a revenge game for Oklahoma. This is one big twelve game. They lost forty, eight, forty, one in Manhattan last year. So I'm sure they're going to be ready to play and we saw. Enough Spencer Rattler in the opener although it was against FCS competition he looked pretty good as he moves in there for Jalen hurts another quarterback. Is going to excel here for Lincoln Riley. Kansas State won't be a pushover. They did lose that game to Arkansas State. If you they pick Kobe admissions I don't think they're gonNA get totally embarrassed here but Oklahoma gets revenge and bigger games later in the season including Texas in a few weeks thirty, four to twenty Oklahoma gets its revenge. And number four is Georgia they'll go on the road to take on the Arkansas razorbacks. How do you see it? Yeah Brave Guy this new Arkansas coach Sam Pittman who by the way comes from Georgia where the offensive line coach he's been around a Lotta locales. I've been at Arkansas within the last decade to knows the territory down there. But Man, he is inheriting oil require Arkansas Nineteen th straight SEC lost he does have Florida transfer fleet a franchise quarterback and quarterback. We're not sure Kirby smarts GONNA do here 'cause Jamie Newman is wake forest. Grad transfer opted out in late August USC TRANSFER JT dangles yet to be cleared to play after that knee injury AFC and doing math with the other freshman has never Richard pressure never taken a step. So this is GonNa to be interesting I. Always GonNa be that easy for Georgia number one defense in the country I'm not sure that offense is up to really extending this margin. Okay. Over the moon here thirty one to fourteen. Georgia's elwin might be a little uncomfortable times don't trade him. Very entertaining interesting interstate battle between number nine, Texas and number. Well, they're not even ranked Texas Tech. So how do you see? Yeah it's been had some colorful games in recent years Texas I got them on the team to watch list Ron. Herman not throwing around this year, the head coach his under some pressure from the Texas accent and the other boosters down there. Hey. In the first game against tap when you still got your first string quarterback in the third quarter throwing passes in Europe forty, five, three, you know there's something else going on here they want to win and look good doing it practical reasons for that as well against you, they want Sam Allender the quarterback look great in that first game to get a conflict with a new group of white outs. I'll tell you the Texas tech they allowed Houston baptist NFC s go to gain almost six hundred yards and nearly lost the huskies in their opener. This is going to be a very tough game for Texas Tech I'm on. Texas on the go with list right now forty, eight, twenty, seven, Tom Herman, the LONGHORNS, ramping it up and I think they will rule and. It'll be interesting to hear what you have to say about Tcu in Iowa state because this one looks like it could be a tossup. It could be an and I think the question here. They not see what's going to happen with their quarterback Max and he toughest meals sorta like a poor man Sam L. Anger from Texas that same sort of style the really tough runner and he showed some spark as a freshman last year. Now, he had some physical problems in the summer a hardest test injury heart issue they have cleared him to play, but apparently, he's not going to start in this day and the charge transfer downing will probably start. That could make the difference I. always stay had two weeks to STU after getting upset by leanna Lafayette Block party their quarterback you rated by NFL scouts they first round pick next April comes out and Matt Campbell the coach of Iowa Stephen Paddock Patterson's number. So. We're given Iowa Stephen Dot over TCU which. quarterback questions going in twenty, nine, twenty site cone down in Fort, worth. How do you see number six Lsu at home against Mississippi state this weekend. Gosh around this is the mystery game of the week. There's no way. Lsu can be as good as it was last year there was a great college teams of all time fifteen and. If had coaches leave. To the NFL to other colleges, most of your co Star players have left you you've had some Colbert issues bear you've had players opting out great players like Jomar chase maybe the top wide receiver in the country. So they're going to slip something they still might be really good and we wanna see Miles Brennan the quarterback, but there's no way they're going to be what they were last year question is here on the on the Mississippi State side Mike, Leach makes his debut. You remember this Guy Stanford quarterback takeoff Grad transfer he's going to be taken snaps for reach in this area. I don't think they're gonNA get embarrassed here and mystery state might make this thing interesting thirty three to twenty lsu. I just don't see them rolling up older folks like they did last year. And then what are you have this week for all our sports byline USA listeners. Hey. Ron IT'S WE'RE COMING UP TO BASEBALL PLAYOFF time. So have some baseball pixes wealthier GAUCI DOT COM and we still got special offers on the season subscriptions to the Gold Sheet Nice new easy re format on all online. Now, go online at gold sheet DOT com. 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Bruce Marshall Senior writer for the gold sheet is with us. We've taken a look at college football some of the key games coming up. Let's take a look into week number three in the national football kind of a crazy week number two was not bruce. It was ron and I think more so because you're things thumbing key injuries, I mean there's been some even before the first games were played in in in training camp guys like von Miller were out and then we have injuries the first week in the second week, the injury brigade continued including to the top running backs in the league saquon Barkley, the giants, and Christian McCaffrey of the panthers. The the forty niners had a slew of injuries So it it that injury thing You know keep an eye on that because a lot of teams are already impacted like two weeks into the season. And a couple of surprises. I don't think anybody expected that New Orleans would be knocked off by the raiders in their new home but they certainly did as they were down ten nothing this week the raiders go on the road to take on the Patriots. How do you see it? Yeah I. Mean I the raiders this is encouraging for Raider fans and they fight in front of Nobody Las Vegas. That's what's going to be this year but they sure about good in her debut in their new place. Now, going back for the second time in two weeks in a short week to Ronnie. Play Monday night, and then you gotta go across country and the short. The Patriots were also out in the west coast last week that they at least but the night before Cam Newton. I think this is a bigger story here. He is looking like he did back at Auburn Ron or Turley days of. Almost four, hundred, fifty combined yards last week against Seattle there were one yard away from knocking off the seahawks up in centurylink field and Cam. Now that's Auburn Twenty, ten stuff with him. If he is looking that good I think they're going to have too much for the raiders and they like Bill Belichick off of a loss thirty, one, sixteen New England which you you release on Sunday. Well, I'll tell you what I still disagree with the call on camera running the ball on the last player they keep. Let's move onto the rams and the bills. This is a good matchup because both these teams are now to know on the season. Yeah, they are shifty anniversary of the first time the rams wet there it was in the merger nineteen seventy is back same date September twenty, seven, th. There was nineteen seventy Amazon that game nineteen to nothing. Now, Buffalo's GonNa score this time and I think the story this season early on for the bills is Josh Allen. The quarterback the aerial component has really come into their offense this year he has looked good in part of it is getting Stefan digs into the flow really quick pick him up from the Vikings and trade in the off season there he has. Really, been a plus for Josh Allen Start. However I mean the the bills have beaten to lesser AFC east teams thus far. It's a big step up here to face the rams who have looked terrific thus far and route of the eagles. Last I think a key here is Sean. McVeigh. Has Got Jared Goff more selective throwing the butts twenty seven to thirty one passes is about the rain she should be not forty seven to fifty one last year and also point out these Games back in the eastern time zone. Want us to early kickoff there or the Games in London. has won seven straight. So the traveling that really bothered you the rams too much. They're back on the east coast last week they send cal acclimate themselves well to the East twenty seven, twenty, two rams they've been pretty good storyline the first couple of weeks. And the Texans, oh go on the road looking for their first win they'll be playing the steelers the steelers go three and are the Texans go and three. Well. Boy The Texans if they do on three, I mean this this season's ready to get away from them there in the in the in the AFC. South. So they better win the game here in nobody's loving them in the NFL schedule office I mean how about this you open up with Kansas City. Baltimore. Then you go to Pittsburgh your third game not too easy. I think the fact they were. So over scheduled early, they might have a little luck against Pittsburgh the defense or the steelers but. To desire the Bronco backup quarterback driscoll almost beat them last week I. Think this is the way Shawn Watson get something going and just a desperate nature of things. I mean Houston has generally been pretty good underdog in the past and I'm not sure about that bitch defense yet or if they're going to be able to outscore Watson Twenty Eight, twenty, three Houston, we're GONNA go ahead and call it for the Texans here. I. Don't think they're ready to go on three. and. With all the injuries that the forty niners this week they stayed on the east coast because they're taking on the giants we're going to find out whether the giants are bad or really bad in this game. I think you're right. Ron You're right. The niners frankly could've stayed at the Hilton head land across the from metlife that they wanted but they went down to West Virginia the Greenbrier to practice this week. So we'll see that I mean you know we'll still see about their. In most or they're gonNA play, they might not swayed looks like Boston being held out but we know. Defensively. I'm defensive front with Thomas and Bosa both heard I mean that really hurts and they've done for the year they already had some guys are hurting for this hurting Sherman gentle. I mean this injury this is a lot after two weeks if it has to be Nick mullins vote, he has been in there before or back they have won some. Games with him and you're right. The giants are now without Saquon. Barkley and I don't know how this offense is GonNa function without him because everything revolved around him and I'm not sure. Joe Judge can make up for that niners pretty good on the road and I think he bones win this game twenty three fourteen San Francisco over the Olympic giants at metlife. And if there's an early season surprise, it's at the Vikings are open to and not look particularly good and they go up against the two titans. That is true run and. Vikings really look bad last week. So sometimes, these teams professional pride in in the they turn it around. When their backs are to the wall but something feels a little different about Minnesota here I'm just not sure this offense is going to be able to pick up the pieces. Gary Kubiak now coordinating the offense and you know I. I'm not sure Kooky ex last run at Denver. It looked like the game it's SORTA passed him by the zone blocking stuff isn't quite Resonating like used to. The receivers are down a notch talked about the digs trade to buffalo. They don't have really a establish target besides feeling. The. Offensive Line is not playing all that well, just hasn't helped her cousins and the defense is really and rebuild Mug added up and I think the Texans the titans are gonna be able to go in there and when they won a couple of close games there eleven and four since Ryan Kenny took over at quarterback midway through last year not too bad twenty, six, seven singles courtesy up at US Bank Stadium And the cardinals will be at home against the Lions which I think have too many weapons for the lions to get their first win. I think you're right Ron and we've talked about Arizona a little bit before this is a team you might wanNA lunch. Tattoo Murray. Talk, about picking up. The pace here in his second year. He started to play pretty good toward the end of last year and even the Games Arizona lost they were pretty competitive. They've started out to and all of this year you saw them beat the forty niners two weeks ago, mediocre Washington. Last week a lot of the weapons there and watch Christian Kirke is really going to flourish with Murray as the quarterback right now and we talked about him over five hundred yards passing sixty seven percent completions. The first two choice defense had no answer for Mitch trubisky offers the first two weeks Matt Patricia is in some trouble we thought he should have given tigers manager, Ron Gardenhire call after last week and just tired at something Patricia Might WanNa think about pretty soon here thirty to twenty Arizona over the troubled clients. and. Briefly, what about the seahawks at home against the cowboys? Be a shootout there and Dallas, forced into win that game last week I. Know It was a great comeback big numbers for deck but the defense a lot to be desired I don't know if they can go to Seattle and win the seahawks though usually cut close at home there should be a pretty entertaining game I. Think Game Was Thirty Eight, thirty, one seahawks in this one. and. Let's take a look at the Sunday night game because this is a pretty good one you'll the saints will be looking to get back into the win column and they'll go up against the packers who have looked red hot but I see the packers or slide underdogs. Yeah. The game is in New Orleans here we saw at the saints did a couple of weeks ago the box now I know they didn't look good on Monday night but giving the saints a little bit of the benefit of the doubt here. Green Bay yes. Has looked pretty good the first two weeks but against some flawed especially, if you can't flawed opponents is going to be much tougher on. Sunday night. Down in New Orleans we saw what happened in the packers last year and they had to step it up against the forty. Niners did not go to well on the road for them. Something somewhere might happen here Sunday night I would expect the saints to Bounce back though the packers have a good like you said, but we're going with New Orleans here thirty, four, twenty, three saints drew brees bouncing back. Sunday night. And you couldn't ask for a better match up of young outstanding quarterbacks in the National Football League you've got Jackson for the Baltimore Ravens and of course, you've got the young guy at Kansas. City, of course, and that'll be the Monday night game. So how do you see shaken out? Yeah boy you better teams in this run right now, and Baltimore is really the buzz team going into the playoffs last even above Kansas City, they were the number one seed in the AFC got knocked off by the titans and I first round there. So this is really a big and they also lost an early season game at Kansas City last year. Now, they get them at home not many fans if any fans are going to be them and she bank stadium, but they look like they are in full flight right now the Ravens and I'm. Not sure about the chiefs they were very fortunate against against the chargers last week I. Do know Patrick Mahomes. He has lost a game. He has started by more than seven point and he since he was at Texas Tech and college but the Ravens I think are just loaded for bear here and they're getting contributions from different guys. It was a defensive running game last week the all the way from Houston. They didn't need it monster game from Lamar. Jackson but we know he is eminently capable thirty, six, twenty, seven. We're taking the ravens Monday night. And what do you have quickly this week for all our sports byline USA listeners. Still Discount on season subscriptions for the Gold Sheet. So go online goals, dot com. You can also get my picture as well as VEGAS INSIDER DON DOT COM twitter Bruce Marshall. Okay, thanks a lot bruce enjoy the games. We'll check in with the next. Friday get your thoughts about college football in the NFL take care my friend. Thank you, Ron. Bruce Marshall Again, senior writer for the gold sheet he's been with me for twenty five seasons taking a look at the key college games in the NFL, the best in the business in my opinion, we continue with more of you and America's sports talk show, and now today's rusting tip of the day presented by free all deep penetrating oil. You're all set for a quick tire rotation until you have a rusted on wheel, coat those lug nuts and penetrating oil. Let them sit for a few minutes and you'll have them often a cinch now give generous spray into. 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As we do each week here on Sports Byline, we call the segment inside Angola Roy and I del down deeper on some of the subjects in sports and try to give you a better clearer perspective on what's happening. He's been a lawyer former president of the Oakland. A.'s when his family owned the team and now teaches law sports at UC Berkeley and the University of San Francisco, and again, we call the segment each week inside angle, and if you have a question for Roy or myself just send it to Ron at sports byline BYA ANY DOT COM ron, at sports BYLINE DOT com. There was a story that I came across and I gotTa tell you Roy you and I have talked privately a number of times about the media and reporting, and it had to deal with the San Francisco giants player who reportedly tested positive for covert. It was Alex Dickerson and the media reported it and it was false news as they like to say today and the emotions that poured from dickerson stemmed from to media reports that. He said created enormous stress for him and his wife. The first came from a former Fox News reporter who tweeted that Dickerson was the player who tested positive but worse dickerson said was a story in the USA Today that did not name him. But said that the player told several members of the giants traveling Parter Party that he believed he was possibly infected by a family member or friend in San Diego Dickerson called that false completely. False, that caused my wife to deal with a lot of stuff. She did not need to have to deal with she was tested advanced and arrived at their hotel before Alex. Now the issue as I see it here is the responsibility of the media to report things particularly sensitive things like with what we're going through. You were President of the Oakland as you saw it firsthand and dealing with the media I'm not saying false news, but in dealing with the media, what is their responsibility and has it changed say over the last twenty or thirty years? Well yeah the question is. Your second question first yes. It has changed A. Exponentially. Let me go back to your first question I think the responsibility media just like we're talking here today If I'm going to report an opinion or give a factor whatever I have to make sure I'm right. And there's a second level. If I'm going to tell a story from experience I had I can lead the name of the player out there was the name of the other person. There's no reason why I have to bring that players identity into the conversation. So You just have the second sick. What do they call a second sense about leaving those kinds of sales out and I used to have conversations with the reporters every once in a while when they'd come in to confirm a story and I wasn't very successful often but I would say really need to write this story. You know he's really that important to the public's need to know that you're willing to to decimate somebody's character over getting a a nice lead on the story I was very. Unsuccessful. Most of the time but they were a couple of times that I was able to at least keep identities Covered, which changed now is incredible competition among media because let's let's face it. What pays for media. Advertising. Dollars. Advertising dollars is ratings or selling subscriptions are selling newspapers or I clicked on the Internet site whatever the case may be. So you have to be sensational you have to do something to differentiate yourself from all the other product that's out there. So there's the race to be different. In an in sports, it's really easy because you know there's really nothing at stake except just fan tension and fan opinion, and so so you'll get a lot of whatever say careless or irresponsible reporting and sports that you would never or you wouldn't get away with nearly as much in a political reporting context. So I, I'm afraid that are. oversaturation of media and different sources of information has led to kind of lowering and lowering the barrier about protecting the privacy of individual people, and fortunately I don't think that's going to change I, think that's track were on and when somebody decides they're going to go in to being in the public eye as A. Athlete or Some kind of other celebrity that's the price you're GONNA pay is a loss of personal privacy. I'll just leave it with this quote from dickerson false reporting did happen in my situation. It had an extremely negative effect on me and my family it caused a lot of problems. A lot of hate comes toward you. It was kind of unwarranted and I think that says it. All right. That's right and all that had to happen was the reporters didn't have to use his name right and so that's why it's so offensive. Let's switch gears and talk a little bit about Kobe number seven Notre Dame's game at wake forest scheduled for Saturday that's been postponed due to covid nineteen notre. Dame said that the program will pause all football related activities until further testing is completed, ninety four Cova tests were administered to football players with seven positive tests, and over the past two weeks, thirteen players have been put in isolation win Ken into quarantine. What about dealing with Notre Dame played last week. Well I got that in the story as well and south. Florida announced it has paused all on field activities within the football program over an abundance of caution following that News Notre Dame defeated USF fifty two to nothing in south. Bend last week. USF. USF said that all of its tests produced negative results, the team is going to wait until further testing and of course, I see along the lines. There are a number up to twenty one games of either been postponed or cancelled completely in college football. Well you know we. Know where that tipping point is I don't think we've reached it obviously but I saw number. In the article, I was reading today that it's worse for Esi enough. It was a big twelve school to ask play. Every football game, they play his word for million dollars to them. And that's called TV revenue, and so frankly what we are doing is we have non commensurate values TV Revenue and student athlete helped and we're balancing those values and right now the scale is coming out in favor of generating TV revenue and saying we're taking care of our student athletes. We'll see. It's Well. I do believe there's another aspect of this, and that is that the covid nineteen ravaged the schedules and the rosters, and as I pointed out eighteen games to twenty one games from retooled schedules have been canceled or postponed, and at the PAC twelve approves the fall schedule. There's a real possibility. The power five conferences could play four different amounts of regular season games and then there's a growing. Concern among the group that comparisons of teams in contention for the play offs could be complicated by contenders playing a different number of games, the conversation boiling down to this. Roy What if a six zero team impacted by Covid nineteen has to be compared to a nine and two team able to play its full schedule? What do you do? Well, the world will stop turning on taxes. I guess. It's. Just the way it's going to be in this world That's not the only thing that's getting screwed up Dr Being on an airplane fly right now. So the I, think what we're GONNA do is put a big gigantic Castris next. Bowl Games, they get played this year and say, okay, that was the year of the covert. Hopefully you know this year. You know I read another story and I'll share it with you because I was just thinking about how the players in sports are demonstrating against the inequities. That, we're facing now in racial relations, athletes around the sports world reacted to the Briana Taylor ruling on Wednesday with frustration and disappointment and the Lakers Lebron. James told the Taylor family that he was sorry in a series of tweets and then promised to help black women and the Miami Heat and Boston Celtics continued to speak about the ruling after their Eastern Conference finals match up that night. My my concern is being able to bring every buddy together in an effective effort to do something about all of this I don't know that there's a path here. I have not seen a path of heard a lot of verbiage but not a pant. Well I. I think we've been trying to find this path for since The sixth and sickness fifty to seventeenth century But what the what is happening is greater awareness, and for a long time, you know you talk about topics like this and people ties with glaze over, and they wouldn't pay attention and politicians on the talked about it when it serves their political interests and so I, think the fact that they athletes particularly the NBA are making this much of a of a statement, his bringing it into the public discourse and once you get in the public discourse it eventually can turn into solutions. Now, there's not one. Big. Mega solution we're GONNA. Impose but. Getting rid of, for example, unconscious bias having people realize that. Yeah. Maybe they do have a bias that they never really thought about before they at least start changing their individual conduct. That's a step in the right direction. So I'm all in favor of what the NBA is doing, and my metric isn't GonNa be whether they can affect immediate change. But my metric is that they are making this now a matter of acceptable public discourse as opposed to something that nobody wanted to talk about. I noticed that there was some kind of pushback from the athletes in the national football league about some of the things that the league itself did and trying to promote and support this effort. They just felt it was more words than it was actions. I don't know that we could ever get to a point that it would satisfy everybody Roy but from what you have seen from what you've heard, how do you feel the messaging from the National Football League and the League's in general. Yeah go back The impression that the NFL created in Twenty fifteen. When Kemper Nick was it looked at in such disfavor and the owners many of them had very Flattering things to say about him and it gave you a definite impression about where the NFL came down on questions like this Contrast that to the NBA, which has always been on the leading edge of. Addressing, some of these justice issues head on. So when the NBA does something today, you say Oh that's that's credible. That's consistent with the way they've always been when the NFL does it. You say, well, wait a minute what happened in the last five years that all of a sudden they're doing all these things that before they were saying, you're unpatriotic you you didn't like. The military you didn't like the flag. You know a lot of the criticisms at the NFL owners were buying into. So the NFL has credibility arnold to get over before I. Think we start taking what they're doing at face nonetheless, they are doing it and I give them credit for that and time will tell as to whether Eric read, for example, get the job right. I mean that was another thing I was going to mention I. Mean here's a guy that was a great player doesn't even have a job in the national football league because he kneeled with capper. That's right. Yeah Yeah. When you take a look at this, we've got about a minute left when you take all of this, what would you crystal ball and think might happen say in the next two years or even wanted to years. Well tell me how the election comes out first of all good point. Yeah but I think that the issues are being I think one of the things that stood in the way of change was our political structure, and because you know particularly with the introduction of campaign money into politics, politicians are basically purchased by whoever gives them the most money. So we weren't seeing things going the wrong direction re pulling back on Voting Rights Act doing everything you can to make it more difficult for. Minorities and disadvantaged people to be able to vote. But I think politicians are getting overwhelm. Now by things like athletes, things like business organizations are more responsible people in the media people in Hollywood So I. Think more. We can get politics out of the way and get real people. Making this on this faster, we're GONNA get changed. So that's my next two year prediction. Okay Great. Thanks a lot. Roy have a good weekend. We'll see you next week on inside angle. Again. Roy Eisenhart with US each week, very interesting segment that we have. He's been a lawyer former president of the Oakland, A.'s when his family owned that team, and now he does teach law and sports at UC Berkeley and also the University San Francisco already to continue as we move across the country and around the world with you on sports byline. 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Dick for meals former NFL head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, Saint Louis Rams, and the Kansas City chiefs. He coached the rams the NFL title in Saint Louis that was in super bowl number thirty four. Exciting game against the Tennessee Titans. He's part of a Sid Gillman coaching tree and has coached at every level. Also Dick owns the distinction of being named coach of the year on four levels in high school junior, College NCWA, Division One, and also professional football in all three of his stints. As an NFL head coach Dick took every team Philadelphia's Saint Louis and Kansas City each of them from a losing record when he arrived, he brought them to the playoffs by his third season at the helm Dick for meal next on Sports byline. Shell, we know from the time you get up to the time you wrap up. There's a lot of meet ups can't eat ups. And Hurry up. 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Also, he owns the distinction of being named coach of the year on four levels High School Junior College Ncwa Division, one and professional football. You Know Dick. When you hear something like that and think about the vast experience that you have had coaching football what is it that strikes you the most about what you've done in that area. Well I think number one it makes me think of all the wonderful people had been exposed to help me accomplish different things whether it'd Be High School Coaching College. Coaching. Or NFL coaching and the friends I've made in and the players that I've coach. What a great job we all did together that's an north. It's humbling. It really is. It's a good feeling when you look over, you know the distance from when you started to where we are today as far as coaches no matter what level what has changed the most. Well. I think the sophistication the game has changed to hot. You know the kids are bigger faster. Of course, making a lot more money. There's a lot more money spent in the National Football Today, the Walsh and I were start there late seventies that type of stuff and it you know it's just it's unbelievable that we stop thinking super bowl just went by in a hundred and ten million people watched it. You know, and then that the technical side of the game you know everything in our technical world has really grown and expanded the knowledge we have from from cellphones to computers too. You know spaceships in all those taking place in land football game is faster spread out more. With gifted athletes and. They're doing more on defense than they've ever done in the past more formations, more movement, more schemes, more types of more time. Now, they call it the RPO run pass option things that would saw work. So effectively in both NFC championship game and the Super Bowl. So you know it's just it's it's a faster bigger. Date. You know I mentioned about you being part of the Sid Gillman coaching tree, and of course, there are other coaching trees out there most notably Bill Walsh's coaching tree as well. You guys were very, very close friends. You played quarterback at San, Jose State Bill Played Football at San Jose State. Tell me a little bit about that relationship and friendship. Just handed State Bill Walsh, who was a graduate assistant working on his master's degree. Okay and I was paying here nineteen, seventy, six a walk on and I act under scholarship and he was he was coaching and any got his first coaching job at Washington High School and Fremont. And we developed a relationship there and He said, no when you get many your student teaching could come over to Washington High School and through your student teacher for me we start coaching together and have fun that was a plan Lo and behold bill skits hired away from Washington High School Go. To the University of California, Berkeley with Marv Levy. So I didn't have that opportunity I went to Campbell School district instead, but that's when the relationship started. Then I was in high school coaching. Bill is recruiting for cal and then later for Stanford and I kept seeing them all through the years and He recommended me to John Wall Street at Stanford University. As a possible possibility for the freshman coaching job and John Lawson called me an opera new job and I took it there. I'm working with Bill Walsh again, and then from there, the relationship really matured in grew and we became very close friends beyond that. In Fact I. Still would have been in the white visit with me today if he were alive because we talked about here, make phone lines and have some fun with it and that kind of stuff that You know that having been exposed to Bill Walsh having been exposed. You talked about. People formed the foundation for what we're all doing in walking on. The ball game today with those guys. I don't know if they get credit do. A Lotta people don't know the name of Sid Gillman because there was some time ago. But of course, he stood out like bill wall stood out and others have stood out that have made a difference in the game. The game way the game is played. Tell me a little bit about what made Sid. Gillman. So unique at that particular time. Extremely, bright, okay, very bright man any apply intelligence to football rather than putting them back on the moon. You know you're very bright guy and he's loved the schemes he loved the fundamental third game he loved the teaching. Any was great at teaching young coaches, how to teach their specific position better out of improve them individually and collectively within a a authentic game or deep he's gaming. Considered work for me and starting in nineteen seventy nine. He coached all the coaches as much as he coached the position I hadn't cooked in the quarterback on the field. And he did wonderful job. But he coached US coaches in the off season and revise a lot of our thinking in really up this without said going, we don't go to a super bowl nineteen, hundred you know. He made a Dynamic impression on all of us any any had brought doing it. You know he thought he was retired, but we got him to come back to work and he was glad he came back to work. You know you've always been there and that friendship with Bill Walsh and I think you were the one that shared this story with being those early days a bill being the head coach with the San Francisco Forty niners those first couple of seasons you're laughing you know where I'm going with this were not very good for him. Yeah. No. It didn't go out and you know. Build. Really. Didn't handle losses very well. You know he would lose a football game and he would call me on Monday night. It would be like nine o'clock in San Francisco. Midnight can learn off the team meetings in Philadelphia. And he would go I going in I. I couldn't tell me I'm working bill you know. So I would go in and sit down and listen Dan me spill has gotten all my God get fired when that At that and I don't go jump off a little bit. You're going to get it turned around and looked at it, and by that time we had eagles winning. Okay. So I had been to those same feelings not I'd have direct dramatically as bill would go through. But Lo and behold when he came out of it and kind of gone and no one could be yeah I, do know that you told me that time that you were in your office you had to get out to practice bill called and he was bemoaning the situation with the forty niners and he made you late for practice to get out on the. I know well, no way I was going to. Bill. Hey, I gotta go to work to. Sit there. And I had no answers but I would sounding board he could. He could talk to me and say, they maybe say to somebody else. No I would take him in proper vein. And gradually you got Selah kicked over loss and move on and then he started beating everybody. The didn't experience a negative lost very often your first NFL head coaching position with was with the Eagles and I'm just wondering that when you looked at that job and the opportunity for were the determining factors to make you take that job besides it being an opportunity to be a pro coach. I turned down for about three or four days and I remember talking to George. Allen. And Chuck Knox. And George Allen says listen getting very seldom. This older offer you an NFL head coaching position. You have to take your turn this down. Your may never be another one chuck Knox said. You WanNa. Those Bo- UCLA loves you three years from now. You're not winning they may not like you as much. The opportunity to move forward and those two guys looked really convince me to Cla and take the job. You know when I think about. Philadelphia. Is a very unique sports town particularly for its football team nine of us this on the air before Dick about the fact that they boost Santa Claus and go out to the airport and blue bad landings as well for or. Documented that's right. Mike Schmidt. Told me how hard it was for him to play for the Philadelphia phillies because of the demands and expectations of both the media and the fans as well. How did you find it being California guy going east and going to a town in a market like that? Well initially, it was very, very tough very tough. But John wouldn't tell me when I became a head football coach bill read the sports pages and don't listen to the radio talk show during the sea. So I was pretty disciplined, not doing that but you know they got after pretty good and rightfully so you lose you're gonNA get ripped that eventually I think they identified with our struggle. Philadelphia's blue-collar hard-working. Shitty. At least it was in in the people at home this season tickets at that time with that. And they identified with far problems. The no draft choices that losing and they identified with our work ethic and how we were doing it and they identified with how hard we're playing even when losing. Nobody could be this badly. And they took pride in that when they got we beat the. Point spread we're good people. Okay. And eventually we started wedding and then You know they really jumped on. You know I still live in the community very close to these fans. very loyal. We only have a minute before we have to break but Dick you began with the Eagles and seventy six and the eagles due to pass trades. You didn't have any first round draft picks until seventy nine. Did that bother you or concern you? Well. Yeah. It was a concern, but it was one of the reasons we took the opposed to the practices and everything else he's preparation we stayed on the field longer and work harder and. I learned at that time there's no correlation between working less than better and my guys responded if they bitched among for a while but they respond they started be becoming individually and collectively better football players and better team. Four we started winning without first second third round pick. For male is with US former NFL head coach with the Philadelphia Eagles Saint Louis Rams, and the Kansas City chiefs, and of course, he went to the Super Bowl with the eagles took them there. We'll talk about that part of the experience, and as you know, he won a super bowl when he was the head coach with the Saint Louis Rams, we continue with more of you and sports byline. Have you written a book you can become a published author with durins publishing the nation's oldest publishing services. 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Dick Vermeil is with us here on Sports byline USA outstanding career as the head coach and the national football. League with the Eagles Saint Louis Rams and Kansas City chiefs and also had a very successful college career at Ucla and then even transitioned into the broadcast booth and was very successful there as well. Let me ask you about the the season that you went to the Super Bowl I know you were always known as somebody that worked almost twenty four hours a day slept in the office and everything when you think back on that season, what were the things that stood out to you prior to the Super Bowl about your team? Well Number One how well they played great discipline. You know we were the number one team in the NFL on defense and as you said, we didn't have a first round pick in nineteen, seventy, nine, four years into the MSCI. Marrying Camel Bruni and Chuck close into those Guys Didn't unbelievable job coaching defense but we worked. We and they all got fundamentally better anywhere. And we're number six offense, and that's what put us in the NFC championship Game David See opportunity to win. But we didn't score many points in the NFC championship game to win. We didn't happen. Deep played. So well, you know and and sit there helping and everything else you made a great contribution but Marine Mammal just an unbelievable job that he. You know. He goes to that I think we went twelve thirteen and three, twelve and four that year right? play Leila and we had we had a win streak I, like eight zero during the year middle season. And When someone beat us there was only like a one or three point eight. So we really strong fourth quarter and so. I knew a foundation. For a great football team was would just went good in days. Super Bowl. One of the things that stuck out to me is that you had the right combination of quarterback and running back I mean Rhonda War Ski He's a guy that I don't think got enough credit and I want to hear your evaluation of him as a quarterback and then Wilbert Montgomery was the other player that I thought was really important to the success that you had that season. Oh. Yeah. Wilbert. Montgomery was the Marshall Faulk of that air. Okay. He could go out and play receiver which we would use white. You know in the same game that he's one, hundred, twenty, five judges that he was that air. Marshall Faulk unfortunately when I made a coach Wilbert Montgomery and ninety seven. Seventy. Eight seventy nine eighty that when we were at the rams, he he got the coast Marshall Faulk and also learned from it so and you know great large yours the tough skilled. Pro. Bowl a couple of times within the offensive schemes. Today, he would be a candidate. Because they'd given more opportunities go with variations or formations in more variations of patterns that informs of attack and he the football. Okay our. That, he could tell the football through a car wash without getting. Yet, early in his crew may not go to the right. Guy. Gradually learn to talk to the right guy on time then rhythm. Playing any tougher than he was let me go back to the Super Bowl for just a second because I was down in New Orleans when that was played and you guys come into town and you were the team was ensconced outside of New Orleans itself I. Think you're closer to the airport were downtown where we yeah we're all the action was and. It was always said that that you would really work your team hard during that week and maybe they were just a little bit tired and worn out and I I didn't know if that was a fair criticism or not. Now that you have the perspective of years and look back upon it what were your thoughts about that super? Bowl when your team Well. I know this when we beat Dallas in Philadelphia in a freezing Cold Day for the national championship we won because our work ethic we have. No superstars and no grab choices we want. Anyway we worked so hard when we look to the Super Bowl and lost, we were too hard. You always need a reason for losing. We lost the Super Bowl. We lost because we didn't play as well as we were capable of we only had one starting wide receiver. We didn't have our second or third wide receiver healthy for the game. Couldn't play when we were minus receivers and We turn the ball over three times and when you do that, you're and turnovers, you're a better team you don't win loan being equal team. So you know we didn't play well enough then window football game. Tom. In his staff did a better job I did get our guys replaced. So they won but I I don't blame anyone area. Of loss you know I know there's Yeah Peter one game again, they would revert back to saying these guys the hardest working guys they all the hours on the field. That's why they went. You know let me ask you about one game in particular when you were in Philadelphia and everybody knows this game if they've seen NFL films that seminal miracle at the Middle Lands you know things go by natural nature when it comes to football and then something very unusual happens and John mcvay, it really cost John mcvay job. As the coach with the New York giants when you look at that and think back about what are you are left with as far as memories. Where first off I? Remember it wouldn't happen I didn't. Play that took place. It seemed like it lasted for ten minutes. It was only a matter of seconds. Lasted so long and he had a chance to visualize it. I didn't actually see the start of it. I only saw the end of it and I that I was in disbelief that could happen this belief that could be and also I felt sorry For the guys on the other side of the field because their job was in jeopardy prior to that game, let alone lose it when you shouldn't those. So there was a mixed emotions really I was in. Total shot you know you because you've never seen that happen you have. No. History to compare it with to see it play like that, and I didn't see very initial part of I, saw hermit but at the end of. and. Then I realized what happened and my God it. Be. Steep saying unbelievable. Unbelievable. But I remember looking across the field. At. The coaches on the other side and all my. I'm not I'm, not saying. Yeah the Eagles for those fans who either not aware of it or don't remember we're losing to the giants was seconds to play when the giants fumbled the ball popped up in the air arm Edwards recovered the ball and ran it back for a touchdown for that miraculous nineteen to seventeen victory you walked away from the Philadelphia job citing burnout at what's the definition of that? What was that like for you on a personal level? Were a personal level too. I allowed a passion for the game. Coming Obsession. And when you do that, you're not as good. Executing your passion as you should be because you, you're just over exaggerated everything from work at the preparation that you know and just you. He can't get over loss a winner the thrill of a win last about. Twenty minutes, and then you're worried about the next game already no time to enjoy. The just accomplished. It built. It just grew on me to the point where like my wife Carol said that he didn't take your. And I said you know something that you're right. And I did. You concerned that if you took that year off, you may not be able to get back into having a head coaching job in the NFL. Erected a chance you take that I I really didn't think about I knew what I had to do. I. Didn't pick it up my future that much I knew. I was going to stay in Philadelphia because I thought. That I'd done a good enough job if I say we had myself get myself back on my feet emotionally and I would. Go after another coaching job. So I didn't want to move away from Philadelphia Back to California say the Napa Valley and then have to move from the Napa Valley to another job. So I just stayed put okay and they're all of a sudden they bring myself working CBS television making twice the money I was making. Your football on your basis. and. You didn't have to put up with the media and Philadelphia for sure We only have about ninety seconds before we have to break again and I'm just thinking when you look at what coaches have to deal with. Now today with the media social media, the players today, the money that they make in everything that you just shake your head a little bit Dick. You. Know I do. But you're gibbs. One time made a comment to your offense fans and he was coaching I with broadcasting. I was talking about the different restrictions that kept coming into the league like now the rules the practice is the the kidding and all that he says what you gotTa do today is just make sure you take the rules as they are today within the game to better job than the other people, and that's always been true used to give you more time more padded practices, more off-season, more more more training camp work those kinds of things even more preseason games when I was sick. It makes so much sense to me in I came back in coaching ninety seven with the Rams I never forgot that pot. And do you think everybody should step away from the job? I Know Bill told me after ten years. Everybody had heard his message. He knew it was the right time to walk away. Should everybody step away at some point to be able to recharge their batteries and refocus they're thinking? Well you. Told me never coach had a head coach. NFL. Community located five years. That's what's in Boston. He says, biggest people quit listening to you and maybe too I don't think that's true today because the turnover on the roster. You know the. Turn over twenty, five, percent a year twenty percent a year. Support every three to four years. You got a complete, almost a new team. You know my Ramtane in nineteen, Ninety, seven and three years. There were nine guys left on roster. Played the super nine players off the entire roster. Dick meal is with us here and we'll talk about that RAM team and winning his super bowl when we come back on the other side, and of course, he coached the rams to their only nfl title in Saint Louis and Super Bowl thirty four over the Tennessee titans and that was an exciting game came right down to the last play of the game and all of his stints as a head coach he took every. Team. Philadelphia Saint Louis Kansas City of which had had a losing record before he arrived and brought them to the playoffs by his third season at the helm. So we'll talk about that and also aspects of his life. We've got you on America's sports talk show, and now today's rusty tip of the day presented by free all deep penetrating oil you're all set for a quick tire rotation until you have a rusted on wheel. Coco's lug nuts and penetrating oil. Let them sit for a few minutes and you'll have often a cinch. 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Dick Vermeil has joined us here on Sports Byline USA. After you decide to come out of retirement you get the job with the St Louis. Rams. What type of team did you find there? Well we found a team with some town they've been losing. So that's Hydra pitches there to play. Well, Hey, Kevin part one of them, Todd Light, those guys and You know but they just had been losing. They lost more games in the nineties in any game of book. So therefore, I did the opportunity take him over and You know I I just think. I'M GONNA. Go back and do it the way I know how to do that work could remain in. myself old coaches there would buying you know had the oldest coaching staff in football for awhile air especially but I got the in. We went back to work and we doubled days full pads, full pads all season long you know now you can only work full pads or team times the entire season what you kick off the first game. We took them off. You know, and we some players who taught people how to play their position better and coordinate within the whole system offensively and defensively and the kick. And I have out and football coach Jim might think might march. Is John Mascow. And see new was one of the great coaches of all times but Carson. I'm talking about names, legendary national, Football League therefore, we were able to produce it when it because we had great support from from our ownership, you know Georgia's did a great job John saw the president support us in every way Jay's aim at the GM supporters in every way Charlie and John Becker who ran the personnel we Make mistakes three years you know the go from four wins the world championships they've never been done before never be done again. Yeah. I was just going to ask you because it started tough I mean you want five and eleven in ninety seven the following season you went four and twelve, and in the ninety nine sees it looked like it was going to be just as badly. What was the turning point? Well the ninety nine to remember we won six in a row right and we went and played Tennessee everywhere both six or seven like that, and they beat us. What twenty three or twenty, four, twenty, one, and the ad turn the ball over three times of I haven't found ourselves down twenty one, hundred up started a second when we came back. But at that time I knew we were good. But the real turning point was when we beat the forty nine or so forth fifth game of the season after them having beat. The rams seventeen times in a row, and we're ahead twenty one to nothing being the first quarter and Kurt Warner thrown three touchdown facets. You never talk in Jim had been standing on the sideline Jim knows up it's. Been really play you and I remember also telling the squad on Monday. That there was only one team. Could beat US and fortunately for us they're all sitting in this room. If we just keep doing what we're doing, there's hard and in focused as we're doing every together quote, win at all I told Scott that after that put in win on that Monday morning and you know they made my comments all come true. You know her coaches you know it's very interesting Dick about the evaluation process they always say well, you can't measure your heart. And I remember Bill Walsh telling me about Joe Montana taken in the third round and what he liked about him he said I looked at two things I looked at his feet seeing how he worked in the pocket and I looked at his head to see how he would look across the field and you went and got great success with Kurt. Warner a guy that had played arena football was there's something about him that jumped out at you. Well the first thing that jumped out his his ability to the ball I don't care how smart how Yar, where you can run for two. If you can't throw the ball accurately, you're not gonna able to quarter and. Fortunately at the head coach at that time I wasn't coaching anyone position, the head coach and under practice feel I would watch. Gertraud. The opponent's offense against our defense daily for sixteen days. And my God I kept my walk off the United States Jackie's even this guy can play are these. Thanks thanks. All he does this. So complete package. So that's when we made made my back up the next year and all of a sudden it became more starter when front with down and he made everything dot come true and we're way beyond. You certainly have worked with some great offensive coordinators I think about Saunders, who just outstanding as an offensive coordinator Alcott absolutely outstanding and then you had Mike Martz with you when you were in Saint Louis as well. Yeah. What is it? That makes an offense of? Coordinator stand out as be something special or bright. Secondly, they love the game they have passion for the game they have an understanding. what they WanNa do you have the ability to teach other people to do they recognize talent and how do you like how and when they say certain talents within a person? They make sure they explained those talents Game Day within the scheme you know and very good under pressure very good under pressure calling glazes you know. Microchips accident back. That was the first I games opportunity to be quarter. Then how founders came as receiver with Mike, and the next year or two years later in Kansas City bring else on earth me the offense coordinator. Running a job. Yeah You have to have good help. Other thing you were known for throughout your career, but primarily at Saint Louis, you remembered for your free emotional breakdowns during press conferences including crying and I always thought that that was a human aspect that we had not seen in professional football. The image of professional football is rough tough. You know that sort of thing and I'm just wondering what made that come out in you. Well you gotta be what you are. The probably about his basic I, really think I'm an emotionally honest guy. People Really, know me. And I think in some ways they respect it even though they may not agree with you. You know and you know and also. A few years back to. Bother me big lemon emotional guy. We've an article by General Schwartzkopf before passing he worry about the is tear it up and cried worry about those that didn't. and. You know there's a little too that. I think you know you really care about what you're talking about in the people you're with it you can draw on your motion. And obviously. That was me okay. Sometimes embarrassingly in sometimes it, it displayed my exact feeling for that moment net situation. After he retired from the rams, did you ever expect to come back and coach again in the NFL? No, I did not. I would not have if it hadn't been McCarthy. Tile on my staff at Ucla brought him with me Philadelphia at anyone on his own they'll your star when you Championships. A couple of times took over the Kenton. Because of the persistent. And because of them on my respect Lamar. House. I went back with them and I'm sure they did because it was a very experienced. You know when I take a look at two, thousand, two, the chiefs you had I did one of your ball games down. Kansas City and I remember the lineup because you had priest Holmes as a running back. It had Trent Green as quarterback. You had. Tony. Gonzalez says the tight end you had donte hall offensive, Lineman Willie, Roaf, and will shields. It was that the best team that you ever had over the course of your coaching career collectively. The. Best operative line. Next. To Willie wrote the whole thing now and we got in the last years of his career, we'll see we had him all five years. He's in the hall of fame. The left guard Brian Waters made the proble four or five times grow. Casey would made the pro bowl once or twice I sent it Tony been was playing tight end. All Okay so we had we had great personality. Office finding. Beautiful coach. ALISSANDRIA did a great job hunting offensive. We just cook out of it and you know my only regret is we didn't think in that and Lamar Lamar Hunt Trophy you know I never was able to get the defense put together like we're able to both rents and. You know you touch on a name that I- beloved and everybody else beloved Lamar. Hunt as well. I'll never forget He was a guy that would post his telephone number in Dallas in the phone book and One night he was supposed to call and there was a mixup and everything. So I said to my producer I said called Dallas information while his number was in any any. Called me it was lated somewhat late at night. So they're out here playing the San Francisco Forty niners and I go up and I said, Lamar, I just want to say thank you because we talked a couple of times and he says come with me come with me and he takes me over to his wife and he says, honey this is the guy that I talked to late at night. There, there were certain. That was normal yep. There was something about him that I have not really seen before in an since then in in an owner what was it that made it so good for you. Do you think in your relationship? Very Very Humble Very very humble emotionally honest. You really doing when you knew him, there was no for side. You know and I. Guess there I think everybody is. The players wives, the players, the coaches, the coaches what everyone everybody wanted to represent. The best way could possibly do it because he does. We. Only have a couple minutes left and I have to ask you about not only your broadcasting career but also about your a couple of years with UCLA, you're the only coach to win a super bowl and win a rose bowl and you really did a great job in that rose. Bowl. Against Ohio State when you look back upon those years at UCLA? You. Well, add some great players. I. Know that UCLA had the all American quarterback. You Judge Ahead Window Kreider went on had a great career because it whatever heavy. Great. Career and I you know pay coaches I bought some of those coaches. Worked for a great athletic or JD Mortgage Ito Ucla is actually been especially in that. You know you you had better players and most of the teams you played. If you played eleven games eight of the teams you pray you had better players maybe you should win you know I found out what it was like the coach at Washington State when I came here and if you played fourteen games, twelve pink better players and you You know. Those days now though argue states that Washington state's or two dollars a much tougher teams third spread calendar Nose Day Ucla, and USC from a physical standpoint. Down the schools in that conference, one of the things being a play by play guy on television as I have been I, know how chemistry is sometimes difficult when it comes to the broadcast booth. But I was always impressed with the fact that you made the transition from being a coach to being a broadcaster. So simple and I know it's not a simple transition or a simple job. How did you do that? Well, I always worked with a great play by play guy, you know from the Gary vendors at Com Brookshire. These kinds of people you know. Seven or eight years with Brent was absolutely outstanding. and. So I I always around great great. I was broken in Frank. Labor. Broken John that. So it was. Really really good teaching and good people in all day he asked me to do is talk about football the broadcasting part of special that was the play by play dice job you know and and especially with retina he'll made it very easy for me. Also when you think about the college game and you think about the pro game broadcasting a college game and has a different feel to it does it not? Oh Yeah. There's more things are happening in a college game. You know in the old days that's much now neil data I have something to cheer about. You know you have things to play the game seventeen, fourteen, thirteen, twenty, one all these. You know not a big bite that you get to college. They were returning punts and kickoffs in the same game and you haven't move with the ball down the field more things that happened biggest kids make states, pros, MacDill mistakes, and dealer tackles it. So and they spend your whole life by the game. But in college game, there were more exciting place to exploit from a television standpoint. Game at that time, it's changed now. We only have about ninety seconds left and I'd be if I didn't ask a little bit further about your love for wine where that came from and I know you've got some great wines. I've had some of them. Tell me a little bit about it. Well the wind interest came from grandfather per meal. He made our family wines in US over there. From the Vineyard Freddie anybody here where we still get breaks from and I grew up helping my understanding and I would help them a little bit especially as he got older and there was always it was always a part of my family dinner table never looked upon us and alchoholic drink was part of a meal and my dad carried on that tradition not making wine appreciation of. It just pass it on to me in ninety. Ninety seven I started making wine for fun with spines in the Napa Valley like up with. And in two thousand eight, he turned it into a business making twenty five, hundred to three thousand cases have great winemaker and Thomas, whoever's Brown Andy Jones, and they're making great wines and. All you have to Google very wise. You'll find out how to hit it and what we're going in about forty seconds when you think back on your great career outstanding careers there a moment that's kind of etched into Dick for meals mind. Rather than the number of them, you know I was very fortunate to be exposed to so many great people, players and coaches. But you know there are certain things that I'll never forget when the eagles beat the Pittsburgh stingers world champions in Philadelphia one getting up program turnaround and what the Great Chuck No you know and then I go all the way back to the Rose Bowl game fullback. He'll high school Cappuccino for the Jan. You're then go on your beat Dallas NFC championship game. Then would've super bowl with the it's all relative to blow you find yourself at that time. But maybe I was really fortunate. Because every time we experienced great success. We have a lot of great people contributing to it. I WANNA. Thank you very much for the kindness and also sharing your life in your career with us and it was an outstanding life but you've always been a gentleman and that's one of the things I. Really deeply appreciate about you take care my friend we'll talk later. Okay. 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And glad you join us for another edition of Sports Byline US never going to be talking basketball in just a second John Feinstein has been with me on this program more than any other guests and it seems like almost every year. If maybe two times a year, he's always riding a new book and every time he does he's here with me on sports byline I think he's fascinating and he's an. Award winning sportswriter and author, and you know some of his other books he has written numerous bestsellers including a season on the brink. A good walk spoiled and a March Madness and usually writes about golf and basketball that seems to be his passion. But he has a new book out called the Legends Club Dean Smith Mike Chef Ski Jim Bow Bajo an epic college basketball rivalry. This is a very, very good. And a little bit later on, we'll talk some baseball with Ron Darling right-hander who pitched thirteen seasons primarily for the mets and the Oakland. As he won a World Series Championship in nineteen eighty six when the mets beat the Red Sox, you remember that series in seven games, and of course, that dramatic play in the six game that allowed the mets to win against the Boston Red Sox and go onto the seventh game where they won the world series and the mets got there with that dramatic win in game number six Ron. Played His college ball at Yale. He was a position player and did not pitch regularly until his sophomore season but he had a very, very important game in his career happened on May twenty first one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one darling face future mets teammate frank by La de Saint John's university, and he had a no hitter through eleven innings. But in the twelfth inning, Saint John's broke up the no hitter and then scored on a double steal to beat darling. One nothing darlings performance still to this day remains the longest no hitter in. 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That's eight hundred, seven, three, zero, forty, three, thirteen. The consultation is free go bright side tax relief dot com now. This is America's sports talk show sports, byline? USA. Here's Rhonda. John Feinstein joins us on Sports BYLINE USA been with US many many times after each book that he puts out he's put out his thirty six book. He's an award winning sportswriter and author, and he's written numerous bestsellers including season on the brink. A good walk spoiled and a March madness and his new book is called the Legends Club Dean Smith, Mike Chef Ski Jim Valvano on an epic college basketball rivalry. You know knowing your roots in basketball and how they go on tobacco road I am assuming John was a labor of love for you and quite an enjoyable effort to write this book. Ryan you're absolutely right and it's great to talk to you again you know. Not, to drop a name Bob Costas called me the other day. He had just finished a book and he said as he was reading it he said he liked it very much but he said he was thinking what took you so long to get around to doing this particular bucket is one of the things that I was right in front of me for years. And it never really crystallize me from me Ron until I was I was at a dinner. I was presenting Mike Chef Ski with yet another coaching. Award and Mike and I were sitting together during the dinner and he started talking very emotionally about dean. Smith and very emotionally about Jim Valvano and his relationship with them and how they changed through the years and how in gyms final days Jim and kind of encourage them to become a better public speaker. Appreciate how fortunate he was to be the coach that he was not the family that he had and talked about having just seen Dean for what turned out to be the very last time and how emotional that was for him because as you know dealing with suffering with dementia that point. And I was driving home from the dinner that night I thought. Wait a minute. I knew all three of these guys extremely well when they were coaching against one another and then in the aftermath of their time coaching against one another, and this is an extraordinary story about how their relationships evolved in their rivalries and why shouldn't I write it I'm I'm probably the person best equipped to write this story and I went from there and as you said, it really wasn't labor of love I had the same reaction when I saw the book I said, what took him so long and yet? In a sense it, you say in the very first paragraph of the book in a very real sense, this book was born on February Twenty eight, one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six Dean Smith's forty fifth birthday explained everybody the significance of that date. Well, it was the first time. I ever met Dean Smith I would I, was a junior duke. I was a nineteen year old kid reporter and Carolina had just killed Duke at Carolina the way it always did in those days because it wasn't very good back then and I walked over and introduced myself the Dini was standing in the corner of the Carolina Locker Room talking one on one various reporters which he always did after Games and when I introduced myself, I said my name's John Feinstein I worked for the Duke's student newspaper the Chronicle said, oh. Yes. I know who you are I read the column You wrote last. month. Saying that Bill Foster, who was the do coach should follow a lot of what we do here at Carolina to rebuild the Duke. Program and he said I thought you were very fair for someone from Duke which kind of became a running joke between us for thirty five years. But needless to say I was blown away the Dean Smith and read something I had written in the Duke's student newspaper course I found out later that the Carolina Basketball Office subscribed to all the student newspapers in the ACC. So the Dean Smith can track what was going on with his rival. That's that was one of the ways he was such a detail of. He never missed anything but that was the beginning of our relationship with Dean Smith and it evolved when I went to work for the Washington Post and I actually met Valvano. While they were still at Iona Army. So when they came into the ACC I was Kinda sitting there waiting for them because I was by then covering. The National Colleges including the ACC for for the post and got very close to Jim and Mike early in their time state and at Duke and I said probably spent more time with being than anybody in the media ever did you mentioned about one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six but the book really took form in nineteen eighty because within a nine day period both Jim Valvano was hired at North Carolina State and Mike's chef ski at Duke Tell, me a little bit about them coming in and joining this threesome and how it worked out. I think Mike had the best line. He said, Jim Knight landed from Mars instead of from New York we probably wouldn't have had less understanding of how iconic figure Dean Smith was in North Carolina. Because even back then he was being smith in all caps. He'd been the sixth final four coach to the Olympic team. The that tells a great story about going to get his hair cut on campus shortly after he got to NC state and the old barber in the campus barbershop said to you the foul replace Norman Sloan. Yes I am well I. Sure Hope You have more luck around here that Norman, did Jim said wait a minute did Norman Sloan win a national championship didn't he go twenty seven and one season and the Barbara said yeah, I. Guess He did but Imagine Dean could have done with that team. and. That's what they were up against and she tells a great story about recruiting a kid named mark acres out of California you might remember him he ended up playing in the NBA eventually with the Celtics and he was in the home and as happens with coaches visit wasn't going particularly. Well, he knew he wasn't going to get the kid but he had to go through the. Ritual and finally he turned to Mrs Acres and said You haven't asked me any questions? All night is there anything at all? You'd like to know about Duke about our academics about how much would fit in and she said, no, no no. I don't need to ask any questions because the only thing that's important is it mark go to college somewhere we'll. He'll be close to God. and She Jesse said, well, you know if he comes to will be coaching ten miles down the road and chapel. Hill. So you might want to consider it. So that's what they felt. They were up against when they first arrive. Let me ask you about the style of each of their coaches I know their personalities and they're all competitive but they were competitive in a different way and I found that fascinating knowing each one and watching each one why it was so special maybe you can help me understand a little bit better. Well, Mike Fish ASCII being a military guy having played coach for Bob. Knight is very in your face. I mean he he comes right at you and if you don't like them, that's fine. If you disagree with them, that's fine. But he's going to tell you exactly what he thinks at all times and sometimes that upsets people sometimes the media doesn't like what he has to say but that's the way he's always been, and that's the way he was with Dean Smith right from the beginning even though he knew Smith was. This iconic figure bean was the master of sarcasm being would never come at you directly it would always be a shot and I'll give you an example. A good friend of mine keep drum who is a columnist for the Durham Herald back in those days wrote a column in Nineteen eighty-four After Carolina beat Duke and a double overtime game in Chapel Hill, and the lead said the best team in Carmichael Auditorium yesterday was not the winning team. Now keep went to North Carolina and dean saw that kind of thing is. The ultimate activist loyalty and a week later, Duke Be Carolina in another very close game in the ACC tournament and keeping an eye were walking down the steps toward the locker rooms. Dean sauce made a beeline for Keith put out his hand and said, congratulations, your team played very well today which was his way of saying you're a traitor. You're you're pulling shefty and Duke Not for your mater that was being the players talked about his sarcasm in practice all the time he said he'd say something like. The Buzz Peterson is that the best shot we can get buzz the let's ask your teammate see what they think of that was the best shot we could've gotten there, and that's the way he was the Vano of course, covered is competitiveness with humor. He always tried to act like there was a joke behind every loss. No matter how difficult it might be is wife Pan told me that there was nothing less true than that that when he would come Home, he would often root for days over loss to the point where she finally asked him to not schedule any tough games as the last game before Christmas because if they lost that game, she said he wouldn't come downstairs Christmas morning and he she'd have to go upstairs and say, Jim it's Christmas. Your daughters are waiting for you gotta come downstairs. That's how intensely competitive he was although you would never guess it from the way he dealt with things with his. Sense of humor John Mega Ninety seconds before we have to break here but when it comes to the recruiting of athletes, they all of course had great outstanding athletes though the manner in which they go about it or went about it in getting those athletes found completely different. Can you enlighten me a little bit on on their styles with recruiting? Yeah I mean Jim Jim. Style recruiting was much like his style is a person. He would just come into the house and be Jim Valvano Terry Gannon who now works for golf channel and it was a guard on a national championship team said that when he walked into the house, he was from Joliet Illinois. The first thing he said the Tarragon father was whoever taught you how to give directions worst directions I've ever seen, and then he sat down with his dad and started helping him pick games to bet on Terry Gannon's dad was ice cool. Coach who loves to Bet and JIM SAT there had a couple of drinks helped him with a couple of picks. For Games and when he walked out of the House. Terry's Dad, said you're going to play for him and that was the end of it. Dean was more meticulous. Dean was more about you know walking into the House and saying, here's how much money the guys who played at Carolina are making the pros right now and he had charts show but he also used his memory extraordinary memory, which is why his death because of dementia was so much more tragic and he would not only would he remember everybody's name but he would remember what Michael Jordan's mother cooked him for dinner when he was in the house when it came on the campus visit, he'd say. That spaghetti was just so delicious and he always get it right. She was more about using somewhat a sense of humor but also here is my plan for your son. Here's what I think. He can be at Duke Marc Alary who is part of that I key recruiting class remembers it when he was sort of back and forth between Duke and Stanford and Mike Finally said to him on the song one day. Here's what bothers me. You don't understand how good player you can be, and if you want to be that player, you've got to trust me to make you that player and mark set immediately. He knew that that was the thing for him to go play for this coke. So they all have very different approaches one hundred percent, right about that John Feinstein with us we're talking about his new book it's called the Legends Club, Dean Smith, Mike chefs, Gay Jim Valvano, and the college basketball rivalry. We're GONNA, make it a selection of the month on the Sports Byline Book Corner, and we continue on sports byline. Have you written a book you can become a published author with Jordan's publishing the nation's oldest publishing services. Company countless authors have trusted dorrance for nearly a hundred years to bring their book. 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Feinstein has joined us here on Sports Byline USA. We're talking about his new book called the Legends Club each of these coaches had challenges in their lives. Tell me a little bit about each of them. Well defense is now grew up in a small town emporia Kansas and dad coached the first. Integrated High School team to make it into the state championships and he was always very proud of that. Was Not a great player went to went to a great program. Kansas where he sat on the bench most of the time went the air force after he graduated, he was in rotc kid in the fifties and started his career at the Air Force Academy. One. Funny Thing Ron. He was also the golf coach at Air Force because it was a brand new school and it didn't have much budget he knew he was any sending knew he was in trouble the first day of practice 'cause he was probably the best player out there. And that made them. Think we're GONNA have a long long season but ended up as an assistant coach at Carolina under Frank McGuire and you probably know this story. But when he got to Chapel Hill in the fifties, restaurants were still segregated down there and he was shocked by this and went to his minister Robert Seymour and said, this is terrible and they agree that dean should walk into a segregated restaurant with black member of the Church and Der Management not to. Serve them and he did and they serve the two of them, and that helped lead to desegregating restaurants in Chapel Hill, and years. Later, Ron when I found out about this, it was nine, hundred, eighty one by then I was working for the post the Reverend Seymour told me the story when I was working on a profile on Dean and I went back to him and I said, tell me more about that night. Were you scared? Did you think you might get arrested? Where you're afraid you might get fired. He said, who told you that story I said Reverend Seymour and he said, I wish he hadn't told you that nice things should be proud of that. Why he said Johnny should never be proud of doing the right thing. You should just do the right thing and that to me is the way Dean Smith lived his life. That was who he was. He never wanted attention never wanted publicity he wanted to always be about the players. When the board of Trustees Carolina came to him and said, we want to name our new basketball arena after you he should name it for the players and they said well being that'd be a little bit unwieldy tried to name Clare. So they ended up of course, naming it for him. Chassis grew up Polish family. In Chicago, Polish was spoken in his home was recruited by Bob Night did not want to go to army his parents basically talked him into it. When any army after graduation and then ended up as head coach at his Alma Mater after one year working for night at. INDIANA. When he got out of the army and then five years later after going nine and seventeen at army. Tom butters hired him in and it's an extraordinary story. We don't have time for me to tell the whole thing to you right now. But how he became the coach do because Tom butters was the athletic director literally had never heard his name until an assistant athletic director named Steve Ascendfcu a great player at Duke in the sixties brought up his name and his first reaction when the Senate brought up, the name was who? And when he was hired the headline in the Duke's student newspaper was not a typo chassis. And people were so shocked by New York kids son of a son of a high school coach like Dean good player at rutgers good teams for Bill Foster. went right into coaching moved up the ladder when he got to I own. Ah. He told this story that he was at a party at right after he got the Japanese. So excited, he was running around introducing himself to people in High Jim Valvano on a college. I'm Jim Valvano Iona College and finally at one look at him and said, aren't you awfully young to own your own college? And here's an interesting sidebar to the story Ron. He wrote a letter to Tom butters asking about the Duke Job when it opened when he was at Iona and Tom butters had already by then focused on on ski and but Stephen Sendak read this letter took it to Tom butters because he was so impressed with the delicate and Tom butters forwarded that letter onto Willis Casey the athletic. Director at NC state, and that's what led the gym getting the State job. So Jim Being Interested in coaching Duke Ended Up Leading To him coaching NC state with the success of North Carolina already established under Dean, and then you have Jim Valvano developing that North Carolina, state program and Mike Chefs geared Duke doing the same thing. Did their competitiveness ever lead to any uncomfortable moments among the three? Yes. particularly with Mike and There was a couple incidents though the one that most people remember was in nineteen eighty four there was a very close game. Cameron Duke was just starting to get good Carolina ahead. Michael. Jordan and Sam Perkins and had a great team that year and Carolina on a very tight game and there was some controversy over the officiating and she. Shefty got beat up at the end of the game and after the game, he made the comment that he was sick and tired of the double standard in the ACC that there was one standard for Dean Smith and one for everybody else and of course, the irony is now all these years later people often say that there's a double standard in the ACC, one standard for my. And went for everybody else which is part of the reason why my came to understand why did a lot of the things that he did because he became dean but game was furious about that when about about that comment and the two of them really didn't speak very much for a long time after that and it was only after she. Got Really good one the back to back national titles and being really came to respect what he had accomplished that the two of them basically figured out. He's really good. I'm really good. We can both be really good and we don't have to go around taking shots at each other and eventually they did become friends but it took a long time right and it really did how does Mike feel about being the only living member of the Legends Club? That's a very, very good question because we discussed that and he gets very emotional about it. I mentioned that night at the dinner and when we were wrapping up our time together when I was doing the research on this book, he actually said to me you know I'm very glad you did this book 'cause it's allowed me. To feel the presence of Dean and Jim. Again I miss the I miss competing against them I miss knowing them I miss being with them. You know just very close to Jimmy and gems life. Jim was in hospital and he said I know I'm the only one left and he said I feel a real he said when my brother died. I felt this real. Gap Emotional gap because of of my my family growing up my mother and my father, my brother, I was the only one. And he said, I feel the same way we felt the same way on the morning denied thirteen months ago, and I actually talked to him that morning and he was really shaken and I said to him I said. Why are you? This upset I mean I know it's upsetting, but it's not a shock. He's been sick for a long time and Mike said I know it's not a shock but I guess I just never thought being Smith would die. And then he paw and he said, but you know what he will live forever because of what he did as a person and as a coach and I think that's that's a great legacy to have and I think all three of these guys in different ways all have that legacy we a couple of minutes left, but I remember interviewing Dean Smith. After his book came out a little bit after that and I really game away with the sense in talking to him that he was kind of glad he was not coaching at this particular time. I think he enjoyed the time that he coached but things had changed such a a great deal John that he wasn't comfortable with the atmosphere of coaching today. You're one hundred percent right when I was doing my AC book, which was a couple of years before that book that you're referencing in ninety, six, ninety, seven, which was his last year coaching and I spent a lot of time with him then, and I asked him how long do you think coach and he said to me if I decided at the end of last season, I would quit that. Because, as you said, the way the players had changed and the way the game had changed he would hated the one and done rule. He would of hated the idea that you have to recruit these kids if you're at the top of the sport to compete for. National. Championships. But he and Mike were all about developing relationships in helping these guys grow a period of three and four years and with a one and done you don't have. That chance he would have hated that and there's no question in my mind he was sixty six when retired she sixty nine now and there's no question in my mind that if he had south that he would have coached for for far longer remember his last year went to final four he still had to touch, but he wasn't enjoying it as much about a minute left What do you want people to take away from this book on? The strawberry unique this a of these three guys coming together at one time in one community because this Area Research Triangle Park in research triangle is one community the idea of Dean Smith and Mike Shefty two of the four coaches on Mount Rushmore literally sitting next to each other at their daughters piano lessons when they were growing up I mean you don't hear about that ever among competitors like this and that this was an extraordinary time in sports and then I was extraordinarily lucky to know that three men the way I did. You have high standards I know that, and so I suppose that when you go back and reflect on this book are you happy with the way it turned out because this is one that means an awful lot to John Feinstein. Greg good point and yes and I'll tell you the reason why when I went into the book I, thought that I knew ninety percent of what I would find out already and I found out that there was a lot. I didn't know Mike was very helpful. LINNEA SMITH PAM? Van were very helpful gyms. Brothers were very helpful and I learned a lot even though I think I knew quite a bit going in and that may be experienced that much. More enjoyable for me and today when I was doing my chef skis radio show and he looked at me and he said, thank you for doing this. I can't tell you how much that meant to me rock I can imagine John Congratulations on this book just an outstanding read and I want to recommend to everybody it's called the Legends Club Dean Smith Mike's chef ski. Jim. 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Ron Darling joins us on sports byline find right hander pitched thirteen seasons primarily for the mets and the Oakland, A.'s, and of course, he won the World Series Championship and eighty six when the mets beat the Red Sox and seven games and the mets got their with their dramatic win game number six, the drama game seven, which he was the starting pitcher is captured in his book called Game Seven Nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six, four, we talk about this book Ron Take me back to Milbury Massachusetts and growing up there well, idyllic pretty amazing. Low Key middletown was Middlebury and It was just filled with Moseley Irish. Italian Catholic families, just trying to raise their. Kids after world, War Two and I just It was one of the best places you could ever grow up on lots of good friends. I still have from those days. sports was the entire towns life whether. It was tennis in the morning softballs, South Pole and the weekend or on Sundays, and of course, a little league baseball rules, and it couldn't have been a better place for me to learn the camp. Me about the first time you saw red sox game. I. Red Sox game It's a pretty good story I went on one of those little league to the ballpark things I know in new? York it's a camp day at the ballpark and I went on a bus We got there. We were sitting way up and right field got to see the Ted Williams seat where it hit that prodigious home run over five hundred feet and You Know Beautiful Fenway Park something that a kid like may only dreamed of never thought I'd be in it and what was great about it just afterwards, we went down to try to get autographs. From the players, the red sox players kind of coordoned-off, and by the time you got to them, they were driving and what I thought the most beautiful cars you would ever seen. So we ran down to the Oakland A.'s bus. It was red sox against the as and only autograph I could get was one guy who had long hair and a mustache these swashbuckling as of the seventies and he gave me his autograph I couldn't really read it I went back to my house and I kind of looked up the low the lineup and I knew the people that are on the. Team Roster and I knew that it had to season it and I knew it was you know a person who had Dina's last first name, Aquinas last name, and the only one fit that description was Dave Dunkin found out later it was him who had given me that autograph he ended up being my pitching coach twenty years later you know I found it interesting I knew that you went to Yale but I wondered why you went to Yale I mean it wasn't noted for its baseball or anything and when you went there, you're originally a position player weren't you? Yeah I was I mean I. Was My DNA was supposed to be cal ripken a lack of talent to stop that immediately. But I always even at Yale played on the days I did not pitch I played the outfield and shortstop my freshman. So it was you know, I, aspired to be an everyday player in the major leagues and I. Wish I could have been to tell you the truth you told me I could turn twenty-five again tomorrow I. Mean Everyday Player in the major leagues and see how that what it brought me good or bad or or a pitcher I was I would opt for. Everyday player every single time. Of course, there was the game on May twenty first eighty-one and everybody talks about Gayle against Saint John's now I know when I talked to athletes and I asked him a significant game or a time in their life they tend to have a different perspective of it. Then maybe the media or the fans themselves when you have reflected back on it, what is it that you? Appreciated about that particular day. Well, I mean, it's thirty fifth anniversary of it this year, which is pretty amazing that it was so long ago but I think just participating against Saint. John's a perennial great teams during those years from college being able to pitch against Frank Viola who has now become my friend and two time Cy Young Award winner and to participate in a game where I didn't. Think. The Yale. Had any chance against Saint John's and and I pitched the game of my life. But the thing I'll never forget and the true sportsmanship of Saint John's team is that after CPS scaffold let off the twelfth with a hit the entire Saint John's ballclub with the crowd stood up and give me a standing ovation and I'll never forget that as long as I live they didn't have. To do that, but they did and it'll be always remember it when you think about coming to the major leagues was that a goal of yours and what did you expect the experience to be like in the early years and how did it compare to or was it was different from? Well, I think the first time ever thought about playing in the major leagues was my favorite player was Tony Connect. With the Boston red. SOx. Because he was from Somerville and Somerville, it's a small town like western Milbury Massachusetts. And all of us kids said, boy Tony See from Somerville Compla- than all of us should be able to play in the major leagues and You know that's a pipe dream. You don't know it's ever going to happen and it happened in the most unlikely way. You know I went to an Ivy League College not with known for athletic says you said. But you know sometimes I don't think you find a professional baseball it finds you and if you're good enough, they will find you and look I was good enough. What type of team were the mets in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three, I know the answer to this. But I'd like to get your description of them. Well, I was a September call up and I remember in that short time seeing some of the worst baseball. I, I've ever seen or thought it seen thought Minor League team I played with that year was a better team than the team came up to and but it was the major leagues and it was a major league uniform and had a five star tryout in in September of that year I only went one in three, but I pitched pretty well every game I pitch and You know the great thing about that is my first game ever in the major leagues I started against the eighty three phillies Um, who would go on To the playoffs that year and I remember the first three fighters. I faced Pete Rose led off sorry Joe Morgan. Let off Pete rose its second and Mike Schmidt third. So lucky lucky. I was stupid enough to not know one of predicament I put myself in and get out of it and then inning and you got into the starting rotation. Then a year later in Nineteen eighty-four Dwight gooden joins the ball club that seemed to be the start along with the Stability of the rotation toward the good years of for the for the mets was it not in my correct that observation? Absolutely when you you know when you think of today's game with the two wildcards, the mets and my time there in New York one, ninety Ninety Games ninety, nine, hundred, and eight, Ninety again hundred four ninety again So those are the amazing years for those teams consistently winning team first time they had that for the New York mets and. It was days of wine and roses. It just seemed like every day we'd beat somebody and. There's no better feeling and professional ball. You had great success when you're pitching Shea Stadium but the road was a different factor what what are the elements that come into play pitching at home and on the roof? It's interesting I. Think if you look at most pitchers pitch better at home than they do on the road if you have a long career, why is that? You know the other team bats last when you're on the road so that's part of it. I think also familiarity with the mound is is always is always a nice thing and I just love the Shea Stadium Mount. It seemed so high and and picturesque Every time you're out there and You know it's just it's hard to pitch on the road teams play better when they're at home, you've got to be on top of your game and like most pitchers I fared better on home cooking eighty, six, of course, the special year, and this is what the book is about. It's called game seven, one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six failure in triumph in the biggest game of my life. Ron Darling with US and ron coming out of spring training. Did you have any inkling about how good this team could be? I had some inkling You know the team had built up You know an eighty four it it pushed the cubs eighty five, it pushed the cardinals. So an eighty, six you you. We're going to be one of the better teams in baseball and we just We've had Gary Carter now for years so we had the best catcher in the National League. Baseball maybe we had the best first base in the National League would keeps Hernandez. We had the best rightfielder and baseball and Darryl Strawberry the best pitcher in baseball like good. That makes it a little easier when you have all the talent when people ask me about that ball club, what makes it so spach special as that Well Kevin Mitchell was utility player and he would play occasionally but he wasn't good enough to start for that team. So it just tells you the kind of town you certainly did have great. Success at home that year you were ten into, you had an outstanding era as well and I think that when I think about the one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six, mets, the Times I would've covered them or see them and be around maybe in the clubhouse I always thought they had a nice edge to them I mean they were a rowdy bunch. Is that a fair word us with them. Rowdy bunches the. Nicest expression phrase I've every heard us with that ballclub. Yeah they were They were pretty pretty amazing it was a lock room full of type A. Personalities that clashed with other teams clashed with each other there always seemed to be something going on that ball club, but you know what? When the when the bell sounded and were the white lines it was pure beauty and that's what I'll remember is You know I know. That the the stories are real fun for people to think about, and but the one thing that I that I love about that team that we consistently played the kind of baseball that you just You know you just love to watch eighty six world series Boston against the new. York mets take me through it a little bit and what you're trying with this book, what you're trying to tell people well, there's two things really I think for most people. if you're not a diehard mets fan that they think that the eighty six world series ended with the ground ball between Bucknor's legs did not. There was a game because of rain delay set game seven, two nights later, I think it's much to both of those teams. It's an Oman's to the Boston Red Sox sweaty gritty amazing team that we just kind of eked by when you think about it. Maybe had a little more luck on our side and and the second part and the reason I wrote it that forty eight hours after. The. Parade for the mess and the of heroes three million people I was sitting alone in my apartment and you know when you're young child, you WANNA sink that Putt to in the US Open you WanNa make that basket like Christian Leitner dead in the final four All of those scenarios that everyone thinks about when you're a young athlete and for a pitcher pitching game seven. With a chance for your team to win the World Series and did not pitch well but the team won and and that's the best part about it that the team won but forty eight hours after that parade I remember sitting in my apartment saying what happened I did not give up an earned run and the first two starts in that series one of the few people to start three games in a series.

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It was a matter of education occasion of. Yeah it's very pretty story who doesn't want people to have healthcare care who doesn't want people to have education. We all are by default good human beings and we want to take care of each other as as a community but when you really start thinking about how how do you pay for these things. How how those things work than it really starts to break down and for me? That point was when I went from being very gainfully employed where I was. Hey I am happy to pay my taxes than I am happy. Be That my tax money goes to somebody that is less fortunate than me and then I went to being purposefully unemployed and wanting to pay for my own health insurance so I just wanted to pay out of pocket. Had plenty of money wasn't a problem and then because of Obamacare. I couldn't do that and it was just red tape after red tape after red tape red tape and that really started making me kind of research. Why why is all this red tape here? I don't understand like I just WANNA pay not to be insured and I couldn't do. It was ridiculous I mean I don't have this experience. I've never tried to do this. Like can you give us an example of what was standing the way what difficulty. What red tape was the most frustrating Well I just tried to purchase a private insurance and private insurance was not available available. I had to go through obamacare. Wow No matter how much money I offered I was like. I'll pay a thousand dollars for two thousand dollars a month. I don't care but but it was like no. You have to jump through all of these governmental hoops. And don't you have a job to do. Bama Kerr or can you do it as non job I was. I was trying. I'm to do it as a private person individually just paying out of pocket and it just could not be done and then there were all these restrictions about when you could sign up. You know the a deadline for signing up into every year. There's like a certain timeframe wasn't toward the end of the year. Yeah exactly exactly but but I missed the window because I happen to be moving at the time and then I couldn't get insurance for a year so it was. It was crazy and not really it was just like kind of threw me over the edge. So we're okay. So how did that lead. You just have just frustration with bureaucracy. Won't necessarily lead. Somebody to being libertarian. So what was there. Where where'd you go from there? I guess I guess okay. It wasn't completely linear because at that point I had already been a self describing Anarchist for a a number of years. But I just was still in the camp of I need to have a corporate job. I need to have corporate insurance in order to function and so there was some you know again. It wasn't linear it was just like kind of all over the board so you you were already an anarchist but yet still bill sort of subscribing to Bernie. I'm confused. Oh no no no so Bernie. Before because and I can only we say that I I subscribe to earning because it sounded like a good idea that everybody had healthcare and everybody was taking care of for education and this was before for you are an anarchist. There are some overlap. There I mean I didn't clearly say this is what an anarchist is and and how that is completely disconnected from what I grew up with that makes sense for you were an anarchist. You are Bernard Bernard of rule everything where to use. What is your family and your friends stand politically well? Oh my family. My immediate family are all in our guests but while I have an extended leftists friends circle goal all right. So now what That's it I just wanted to talk about the change like I think that it's important not to get into an US versus them mentality. Because I think a lot of people are open to logic and reason and you don't want to like alienate people and kind of shame them for their beliefs because people can grow and learn earn right got in trouble last week for calling him normies. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA try to not do that as much I agree. I don't think gets. It's good to sort of look down one's nose at somebody's because they are stuck in a particularly particular spot where a lot of us were at at one time and like I don't know if it was you clamoring it said or Johnson but it was ignorance or there was a guy that you're reading that it wasn't that he was stupid he was just ignorant which means you don't have enough information and even if the information has been presented you may not have really paid attention. You may may not have absorbed it or been in the right place in your life by design. Don't want people to have information but it depends. Sometimes the ignorance is not because the. It's it's there because they haven't done the research they haven't gotten off their butt and actually tried to figure what's actually going on out and I think that's it's different than it has to be an incentive to do that though you have to motivate somebody to want to learn more I mean people in my life motivated me want more by giving me little snippets of information like oh well you have that belief. Are you sure about that. This is why police the system that exists where this type of information and anything that might desire you know that sparked the desire to go and look into. These sorts of things is very tightly controlled. That's the public school system. This is a very very tightly controlled you know. Factory for churning out people that will continue to support the system that we'll continue to want to put more money into it at it. I mean it just exists to perpetuate itself. So it's just like the Matrix where you take the red pill like give people a chance wants to make that decision for themselves. Give them a little wiggle room. You know to start thinking about things gently for themselves. But as Morpheus said and many of these people are not ready. Unplugged unplugged adverse. That's true and that's okay. There's a lot of people who are ready would just have to put the information out there. Invite them to check it out and you. It's important to not waste too much time on those who aren't ready because they're not gonna move faster just because you wanna spend more time. I'm trying to persuade them. So move onto better prospect. Great call clamoring. Thanks for sharing your story with US appreciate hearing from you and that sounded great by the way there on dischord crystal clear If you don't sound that good just hop on our discord server you can jump into one of the on air. Colin line rooms the top five rooms on the server over at discord dot L. R. 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I'm a longtime listener. I I'm trying to Think of her name Last caller clamoring they'll clamoring yes Perfect you said a better Saturnin ever could I've called in a few times Ontario resident and we have a lot of fighting amongst people Public Sector Unions teachers. Yes and whatnot. And they're just fighting and fighting and fighting wasting wasting money and it makes no sense to me. I want to say it's great to hear from callers like you that actually you can put it into words that That are kind of understandable and I appreciate it. Thanks hey thanks. So you're frustrated with the government workers. They're fighting are they. Fighting with each other over pensions. And that's well yeah. Well there's lots of fighting fluently. Parents now upset chat because they're they're doing rotating strikes right. So they're they're they don't WanNa do a An all out strike they just want to do a rotating straight eight to tell the public. We're we're upset and and and so now though the whole government and People of Vantera artists. Like where are you going with this. You're not going anywhere. You're doing the rotating strikes at that have been going on the. It's built up upper years. So what does it go on. What does it mean to have a rotating strike? Does that mean that part of the the teachers take time off while strike while part of them stay a on and then they switch Certain certain geographical areas we'll Target one area. Say Okay today. Maybe London Ontario Barrio might have a strike and and next week. It's going to be this this geographical location to have a strike and it actually makes zero sense. It's still a whole bunch of wasting money of people arguing. So they want more money is what it is. They're not getting paid enough is that they. They pretend it's it's not about more money. They say it's about the children debatable. It is very very debatable. And that's why that's why Ontario. Oh citizens he used to be united are now getting more and more divided. We're getting more and more divided as -Tario citizens who used to all you no pretty much have a lot of pride in our our province in our country. We're all starting to like question. What are we doing here? And I think your last caller Kinda sum that up pretty properly and I wish more people would listen to shows like your yours to to try to put the things into perspective in all mind and what are you doing like what is your end game here or what. What is your goal here? Having rotating strikes is is making no sense other than wasting wasting taxpayers money and and going nowhere so and is it legal question for you. Is it legal to homeschool In Ontario or in I. Yeah Yeah I guess it is. You can opt out if you want okay. You can't opt out of the taxes that pay for the government. Schools opt out of the taxes. No way you cannot under the taxes axis zero chance of that happening but if you choose to keep your kids home from school you can't well that's good to know the very least you do have the freedom freedom to get your kids the hell out of these indoctrination camps even in Canada. Hey thanks Brad for sharing your story tonight. I appreciate hearing from you. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five. I five four five zero three seven three three quick quick story here about what he called in about. Apparently these Ontario elementary school teachers have started rotating strikes on January twentieth so it's fairly recent unless they're sick what they consider significant progress in contract talks the Teachers Federation of Ontario. The Elementary Teachers Federation ration- says if the government refuses to address critical issues by January seventeenth. They will start a full withdrawal of services on a rotating basis. Teachers have been on a work work to rule campaign. Whatever that means to rule since November and plan on ramping? It up starting. Mondays is again as a couple of weeks old so they are obviously begun. These strikes the union president. Sam Hammond says the government has only discussed cuts to education instead of key issues. Like support for special needs. Students always the special L. needs students. You don't care about kids if you don't support endless taxation addressing violence in schools and preserving full day kindergarten. Elementary the teachers are also seeking higher wage increases than what the government is currently offering. A work to rule is a job action in which employees do no more than the minimum required by the rules of their contract. Wow so whatever maximum I guess we would have to see their contract to see what they actually have to do which is probably maybe not a whole lot so if you do above and beyond that the Union will turn against you if you exceed the bare minimum requirements then you become a threat threat to the rule work to rule system that will be that guy who shown us all up right. They don't like that. Hey don't like to eat what this it's coming here. Work to rule. Well no the strikes in a big way And it's not just going to be. The teachers is going to be a lot of pensioners well of course still convinced evinced students to go along with them right. Like they'll they'll look. How easy was it? Get Him on the climate change wagon. Yeah the kids. The kids are striking all through Europe on that on that silly deal toll. Free number for is a fifty five four fifty free coming up talking to yourself. The inner monologue were not well or not or yeah. We'll see what that's all about on the way. 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I was going to mention that The guys like all presidents and there's an illuminates show who basically does whatever he's called to do in exchange for a billion dollars a year guaranteed guaranteed eight years. You've never seen one get kicked out. Nixon Wakon well the only two presidents that have ever been that I've ever gotten shot. where the ones that said? I don't like the banking cartel. And then they die within a month on Hulu. So is it the banking cartel or the luminosity or are you saying. They're the same thing I would say the the same thing federal. The Federal Bank is about as federal as Federal Express. Okay so what do you want to do about it well she. I was hoping that some folks would be interested in exposing not the president. Because that's like waste of time you know if you go for the right wing or the left wing. It's the same bird doesn't matter which wing you chase sure uh-huh they're all bad knows they're all bad or not really. They're all bad because some of them are good people that work in politics but the higher up you go. Oh yeah at the bottom like when you go to your congressman who are not good. People are normal people. They're not in Canada. Most of them are just or maybe that's true. I see the thing is politicians are sociopaths. And they're pretty good like like being nice to your face like they're they're real good about like dean likable. They want you to like them. They really do. They're con artists. Yes is there. It's their their profession. It's their trick and Markus. Thanks for the call tonight. I appreciate it They just want utilize them. So you'll support the things that they're doing even if you know you don't necessarily thoroughly agree completely with all their beliefs. They still want to be liked but that that other guys politician of that other guys bureaucrats agree. They can't shut you up quickly enough off and if you don't pay well then there's a real problem beginning no brew. Yep they got a prison cell warm and wait while cold likely and waiting for eh so we can bring up or you can bring up anything you want. Their the toll. Free Number is eight fifty five four hundred fifty free any thoughts on the luminosity this theory that there is a big club club out there. And you're not in it and most evil doers. and they smell sulfur. And that is the aluminum thing or you know so. Is it just something for paranoid people. I think they exist The question is what are they. Are they actually pulling strings. They Smoking Club. But I think there's more than one click Killian shape shifter seeing on the news. If you're watching carefully there is smells. Smells like sulfur in here Jones. Actually say that Alex Jones I say something like that. He said that Hillary Clinton smells like burnt chemicals in the water. You're chasing Damon. I've heard him say that she's a demon So yeah I mean look. I don't know either about this luminosity thing I mean there's A. There's a website called vigilant citizen. It's very entertaining to read. And you know it's a it's an interesting theory the this all about the Ross child's well I mean yeah I mean the idea that they are powerful people out there and that they're off and that they are not pulling strings makes me think that you you're you're on the wrong track brother because I mean that's this powerful for a reason. Both a lot of them are psychopaths and sociopaths. And they haven't agenda which is control. So what are what is sociopaths. Do when they get in a room together. I think they plot good question. Pesos and Mark Zuckerberg does interesting. Being sort of exposes on suppose illuminate symbolism in pop culture and like pop music and things like that Cover the last Concert the Super Bowl. No I actually looked for the next day because normally he does cover those Those things and at least not immediately he had not but I think he was. I think I think it might have been kind of shallow. I didn't I didn't actually watch now. All I've seen pictures I tell you what Shakira could fit inside. What is your name Jaylo if you own ZIP Jaylo you can put secure in that body Matteo's because it would probably fit in jail but that's how tiny she is? I didn't realized comparison. Yeah no the most recent story vigilance citizen is the Erie. Synchronicity surrounding Koby. Bryant's death caught. Oh yeah he might have been a sacrifice by the aluminum because it always happens right before the super bowl a grove well apparently There's a couple of pop. Culture references NCES to Kobe. Actually dying in a helicopter crash. Well yeah he had a big fear of it apparently did he really so was he. Act Act never fly in a helicopter together. Wow so that you know. They wouldn't just engaged off die for their kids. Mostly all right so you can bring up whatever you want here. Let's talk talk about the inner monologue guy's name. Was that your story tonight so this this actually came across my radar and I looked at a little bit. I looked into it. You know for a day or or two last year when the MP seem was popular NBC on carrier Character Basically Drones Walking around with not a thought in their head and only repeating script with their you know basically Jean J. Skelly wet the simulation the program has written for their character her and so this kind of came up and a lot of a lot of it was what. There's one study in particular. If anyone has this I don't have the thirty five bucks to pay for this particular study. But it is the the The phenomena of inner experiences written by heavy heart was done by TV and Herbert and if anyone has pdf e mail is mail at Conan CONAN SOLID DOT com. I love the read. It next to talk about it because this guy goes these guys go into. They actually did a study where they put pagers on some students. They had thirty students and about six times a day. The page you would go off and they would have to stop and they would write about what they are what they're thinking and And what that's interesting. What they established is that there's basically five different types of inner not monologue but there's there's different Different enter experiences. Yeah and one of them is inner speech inner monologue one one of them is inner seeing intervision which I think was what Johnson is. No then you have your uncivilized thinking which is like random thoughts Yeah we have if you have people who are feelers feel emotion and whatnot and then you have people who are where they're they're aware of their surroundings whether it be smell or The temperature and what they established was every one of these groups. There were people who did not feel these way they did not have the didn't I didn't fall into any one of those. 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I've got an idea of how it worked and what it was but I would like to. You know actually see the whole thing in depth so yeah last year. Came across my table. Came across my radar. Team definitely brought it to the to the to the front but this week someone else has figured this out for the first time that not everyone in fact has an internal monologue. Okay so this comes from the blog inside my mind. My Day was completely ruined yesterday when I stumbled upon a fun fact that absolutely obliterated my might I saw this tweet yesterday. That said that not everyone has an internal model in their head all my life. I could hear the voice in my head and speak in full sentences as if I was talking out loud. I thought everyone experienced this so I did not believe that it could be true at the time. And I like this writer m inundated by my voice In fact one of the reasons I drink to shut up not shut it up. Ah Slur to muffle to muffled little little okay limits constant for you. It's it's never ending really it's just a never ending thing I can't sleep sleep And and and I have always thought that this is the reason that I my dreams are so vivid and and I don't get good sleep. I have trouble going to sleep but I don't have problems sleeping once. The sleep comes so like sometimes my thoughts will just keep on going very hard to silence them. Meditation of course is tricky Kiro like this is the reason why people have trouble meditating as as novices because I could not imagine sitting down. Legs folded I'm trying to meditate on nothing dizzy. Just wouldn't to keep the voice away ten minutes by voice away. I don't recall most of my dreams very a rare for me to actually have them or you just remember the. I don't recall them. The moment you wake the moment I wake. Sometimes I'll get excellent short bitten. Sometimes it'll be like I know that like I've woken up and like have what I know is like a half an hour's worth of like a story story I guess With like five minutes of time you know like as I'm waking up. I know I'm like taking like five minutes to wake up. And what I've experienced as part of a dream is like a half an hour's always worth of you know like what would be like television episode or something like that of what was the dream but then like trying to recall exactly what happened over that. Half an hour is very difficult away real quick. Yeah that's that's true from ending. That's true for a lot of people I I I think. In order to remember the dream you have to write to memory. LSAT right at two memory you have to actually create the memory Otherwise it just doesn't it's gone. Yeah and this is the way memories work basically every time you go back to remember something your memory memory. A copy of that copy that copy and that's why memories are so fleeting around reliably unreliable and they start to fade over time. This person writes literally. The first first person I asked was a classmate of mine who said that she cannot hear her voice in her head. I asked her if she could have a conversation with itself in her head and she looked at me funny like like I was the weird one in the situation so I began to become more intrigued. Most people I asked said they had this internal monologue that is running rampant throughout the day however her once in a while someone would say that they don't experience this. My life began to slowly spiral out of control with millions of questions. How do they get? How did they get through the day? How do they read? How do they make decisions between choice? A. And choice speed my friend described it as a concept maps that she sees. He's in her brain. Another friend says she literally sees the words in her head as if she's trying to think about something. I was talking out by this time. I was taking Ibuprofen at this time time in the day because my brain was literally unable to comprehend this revelation. How have I made it twenty five years of life without realizing that people don't think like me? Well I mean that's Um I think. I think we should all come to that realization that yeah we're all special different. They're different snowflakes all different. I posted a poll and instagram. To get a more accurate assessment of the situation currently ninety one. People have responded that have that say they have an internal monologue in eighteen. People reported they do not have this. I began asking those people questions about the things that they experience and it is quite different from the majority. I would tell them that I could look get myself in the mirror and have a full blown telepathic conversation with myself without opening my mouth and they responded as if I had schizophrenia. One person even mentioned that when they do voice-overs voiceovers in movies of people's thoughts. They wished that it was real and by the way I did Johnson. I think you shared this article earlier this week so I did did a lot of self reflecting after reading this article and I tested myself throughout the week doing different little thing about the movie and that's exactly I am the way I shared. It was with this. I said I have some friends on facebook freaking out about this. I always thought that the internal model was kind of joking television device. Right right right us to present the concept of someone forming an idea in a way that could be portrayed easily for television I have I have to definitely express a small Paul amount of effort to talk to myself in my head and a little more to visualize words which usually appear as white. San Serif bowled on a field of blackness. You see words words akin yeah easily can actually visualize words in different fonts very easily. You have to close your eyes or visit like projecting over thing At that's hard to describe because it's there but it's in my mind this this one person mentioned concept maps. What do you make anything of that ideas? That are kind of okay. So I've been waiting to jump in saw a jump in now so okay. So then I said a lot. More effort is required. Instead of visualizing using words visualizing objects and things that requires a lot more mental effort for me I have a hard time like especially complex. which really stinks? Because I'd love to be an illustrator greater and be able to hold the details of drawing in my head but every single time I go to redraw something I have to visualize the entire object and it becomes very difficult to like really remember all the details of something as complicated object. You mean something from memory or memory like. Let's say I want to visualize if I wanted to. Re visualize is your face and dry. I would be able to put the picture in my mind for a split second and be able to remember every detail but then when I actually go to replicate those details and remember the proportions where. It's much much much harder to do that right. But what's weird is I know that I can visualize someone's face or like a horse I or a cat or something like that and I when I picture. It's perfect like perfect. I can bring up that picture but then the moment to like zoom in and like change range and get the details so that I could replicate it. It falls apart. I think hurry prickly restaurant. Because I'm I'm a sculptor and myself and I think some of that is first of all it's practice right. Yeah absolutely and the big one is the actually creating the measurements right. So just the just the looking at a face. I I wouldn't be able to do it but if I actually sat down and started taking measurements you know your noses as far as if I have reference material. It's easy but doing it from memory. Forget it when you say that you can see words in your mind's eye are they pro are like speaking to you. Like like is are the words sentences or did they just like. How does that have to be could Typically if I'm thinking of words it's individual words so if I were to think of a sentence ends of words which I'm doing right now. They're literally independent individually peering one by one and a field of blackness in Assam Sarah Font and just flashing by literally literally as the word completes it blinks existence. The new word comes to now when you're problem solving. How are these words? What are the words do it no? I don't do this all the time. I just made the yeah and visualized do you have any inner monologue no so they don't come on their own. The words don't know if I want a picture words. I can picture them right so they don't give you a different thought or anything and in fact the most similar experience that I've had there's actually an APP that is used to make people read faster. Where does words on the screen and flashes than by faster fascinating? We'll continue this coming up here. Hour three gold has definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure. Investment Historically mcelhinney. ICA's been helping. People take delivery of precious metals metals and find storage options for decades. They've helped thousands of investors with their precious metal. 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We were all talking to ourselves out loud old And reading to ourselves except for well I want to get to that yet and eventually moving up into civilized society. We realized that that was you know that was not necessary. You know keep that to yourself. And so that's where that's where it evolved. But when did how Johnson and kind of skip that fall off that wagon book and read it extremely young ages and went to symbols and an actual words. I was speaking before the age of one and I was writing. I think at one or two. So you're a savant. Your rain man. I don't know I tested. In the top ninety eighty nine percentile for vocabulary and mile. So here are the people who don't have the entire internal monologue death deaf people who can't hear don't so some of them. Don't I think I think a lot of them don't a lot of ADHD's a lot of a lot of autistic Just they just don't have it and that might be part of the problem. Problem is that they don't have this kind of this reassuring controlling voice that kind of keeps them see in my case. It's not rule is a reassuring voice. It's frequently I believe the opposite pessimistic and negative. Yeah it's It's a thought that I don't want to that I don't WanNa hear and so part of Basically had the the the stern parrot who say don't touch that stove you'll get burned or whatever saying things that are you know that are things that I would not normally want to think about or do or whatever and I just have to say nope. That's not who I am and reject that there are the two types there's pessimists and the optimists and I mean I could say that I have had some similar experiences to that but it's like literally not a voice but the entire experience of something like that like it's for me it's not a voice it's just a thought it's like. Oh that's not appropriate. I wear. That's not who I am. Where did that come but like the thought of like for you know let? Let's say the thought is like murdering someone she. Oh for example. I look so random. I went on. That list. Wouldn't have that appear in my head as A. Hey you should kill that person and somebody's telling you that if the idea it would be visualizing doing that act and it's and it's evil dark kermit the frog say it'd be a voice there. Would it'd be the entire experience in memory of actually doing it without actually doing it and then thinking was inappropriate and whenever I actually had a friend. This is what I was going to happen with before. Another another friend. Who posted this? Who said I have never heard of this? How does one think if not in words? I'm not sure if I believe it and I replied to them and I said Rock Stone Pebble L. Boulder do all of these conjure entirely. Different things for you or they all linked to a concept and he replied both and I said can can you imagine the concept without the words and he said yes. I can't I can't imagine thinking of everything and only that way though but thank you because that analogy does make it more more clear to me and then someone else said. How do you think of abstract concepts then and I said for me? Abstract concerts con concept's steps. Remain that way until I try to apply a word to them or visualize them when I go to speak. I actually struggled a little bit. Because my brain presents each concept with a thesaurus of synonyms. uh-huh thinking conceptualizing rationalizing reasoning pondering perplexing fascination. That's the cocktail of words for the concept. Think that visually I really only picture things like glowing wire electricity on a computer chip or a hammer hitting marble. It's all linked to concept so like I can attach visual ideas or words to at random and yeah but that's for everything it's not you know. It's like those concepts are all floating around on completely amorphous. It's not even like a word bubble like you were saying. It's like a concept bubble. Or whatever mind mapping concept map. It's not even that because because to me when I say concept map I'm literally visualizing and when you say a concept map literally the idea POPs into my head on a white background. Don't with Pastel Yellow Purple Pink. Green bubbles linked to a central idea in like words words. That there aren't actually any words there in the picture mad but the concept of words are in the middle of these bubbles because at some point that was probably an early picture of a concept map that I was presented with and so now like forever when I think of a concept map. I have a little picture of what I'm saying while you're talking while you're saying all that what I'm taking I'm seeing you tinfoil. The hat on the wall strings everywhere connecting. That's a concept map twenty three and you're a concept map that's your concept it was it was just a visual. But that's what I'm saying. You attached visual representation to the idea of a concept map and your visual representation is red strings and a person solving a mystery solving a crime or something like that mine is more of a corporate bubble concept you know like and and we've both attack. Yeah yeah like a flow chart So when you think like I think everyone has these individual pictures at some point in their life that they've assigned to different things so you really tried to picture them. You're going to picture something and it's probably usually going to be something similar. You know like unless you're being more specific but if you just say something vague like concept map you can have a picture for that you were talking earlier Johnson about how you are able to you know if you want to visualize a horse or cat or somebody sure whatever you can do it in that moment and it's there and it's clear and then when you try to go and draw it it's like it's gone. It's just like trying to remember when you first wake up at dream is super clear. And then if you try to really recounted starts to go a real quick so do you have a photographic memory meaning if you if you go into a room with a bunch the things on a bunch of shelves and they leave the room and somebody says. Can you recall the things that were on the shelves. You wouldn't be able to necessarily helpfully now because it's like I said it's zooming Dan you know and figuring out what those things are. Just okay I wish if I had a photographic memory I feel like I would do something else. Yeah I would be spy. He'd be shown Sherlock Holmes was probably be doing some by the way I answer something I share it. We might. We might not have the same experience but But I do the same thing with visuals. I don't. I'm not seeing visuals all the time but when you say horse or whatever for just a split second I see the horse and then I go straight go straight back to my internal see as an artist. You can ask questions horse are you. Is it a head of horse. That's the thing isn't a full horse. Like you would see horse figure. D I I see my main memory horse and then and then for split-second in my journal Monologue Doug goes into action as like what kind of horse. What part of the Horse? What color horse? Where's the? What is the horse dead? Is it alive see for me. It's like obviously again Whitefield Blackhawks core sorry brown horse with black main blackmail and it's definitely a side on view where you can only see that horse standing so that AH I can't relate to any of it if you WanNa comment you're welcome to join us here. The toll free numbers eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Let's bring bring on a Mug. He is on our discord server calling from Virginia. You're on free talk live. Hey guys I'm going to take it back to I I was listening. The bits and pieces of are clamoring comb and she was talking about what Bernie Sanders and how she supported Bernie Sanders. And I think you honestly he makes some good points about the problems. They're facing society. Glad I don't have the visual. Whenever I hear Sanders that I have to see him? I would be so uncomfortable. Go Go ahead. Sorry Joshua Johnson. Yeah and I think really if you know if not not for one one basic idea I would you know us. Senator has the right solutions is the right guy might might be a supporter. I don't know I mean I can't tell for sure but and with me. I'm I'm libertarian. Is For me is not a no aggression thing non-aggression but it's similar bit ultimately like top down solutions don't work and bottom up is the only way like individual choice versus top down and post solutions and of course if you're a you know an hour capitalist That follower impose solutions are. Are you know come with a follower. 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Yeah well that's funny too because you were talking about Bernie and a lot of his supporters would on one hand say that they support grassroots methods right like that that they're all about grassroots organizing organizing and things like that but ultimately they want to have top down control through those methods so they believe that grassroots will get them the positions that they you want where they can then do top down and force their viewpoint down on everybody through the government. Which of course is what the Republicans want to but regardless Scott? Yeah and and really I mean I got another way. I've always I've always put. It is if I believed the state will is the right solution right. told him do to fix a lot of the structural problems is that we do have. Then I think Bernie Sanders is great but unfortunately it's what got us here in the first place. Well Yeah I mean. The state isn't going to solve the problems that that it created through doing the same things that it's always done. The only way the state can solve anything is by going away and leaving the marketplace. To do what you're talking about which is to do things from the bottom up from the individuals from people making individual choices and decisions in the marketplace to serve their customers and their communities in a way that they think is best yeah exactly customers communities in whatever way you want to do it. And it's really hard to advocate not for a specific plan or specific policy. But Say oh whatever whatever people come together and choose to do BIOS our mutual aid or whatever they WANNA do and and make their own choices to best suit them. And that's that's hard to advocate for. It's hard to explain because it doesn't fit on like postcode. Thank you mom. And it's the exactly exactly opposite of what people will were taught in public education personal responsibilities but thrown out the window. Everyone no one knows what to do unless someone has written down somewhere that law and the rules are written down and it's a lie in the stand-in and there's someone that you can raise your hand and ask permission to do whatever you WanNa do in like. Go to the bathroom right. You GotTa get a hall pass. Remember that crap. Let's Talk Ralph in Maine. You're on free talk. Live Hello Ralph Hi debacle in In Iowa I don't really know anything about what's going I think that is the word debacle that works. Can you summarize. They finally come out with the numbers so well the not all of them but The last I heard actually repeat Buddha. Check and Bernie Sanders running neck and neck. It says it Buddha check had Leeds in delegate numbers and Sanders in the popular vote and followed by Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden and the rear but You know they were supposed to have the numbers last night and they had an election failure the the APP that they were using Failed and they they they just got asked yesterday the day of the election so they never even tested it out so i. It's a company that big it's from a company that Woulda gigs heavily invested in right. Well the company is Shadow Inc and his shadow an acronym. There's a there's a lot of former staff of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama like James Hickey Gerald Neiman and Krista Dawes. They all worked for Clinton's two thousand sixteen campaign. They Co founded shadowing. But get this the the The the financial backer of shadow ink is Seth Clermont who's a pro-israeli Buddha chick backer so oh hey this guy has so much money. He's donated one hundred fifty candidates and but the big big one that got the money was that P. Buddha check. Who incidentally happens Vince to be in the first place now well? This guy is a principal founder of the Israeli project and he okay. He Co owns the Times of Israel. Will you know it's like He he gives hundreds of thousands to the Middle East Research Institute which everybody knows anti-palestinian Stinian Organization and Helps Fund birthright Israel. So He's the board with Like Bronfman who's involved with the next one sex Colt and Michael steinhardt whose one of the principal investors and directors of genie oil. And you so you must have heard me talk about genie oil before they they found a a Netanyahu gave them exclusive rights to dig for oil oil in or drill for oil in the Golan Heights and they found more oil there than Saudi Arabia has. And who's on board of directors. There's a genie oil along with Michael Steinhardt CIA Chief Oh Wolsey Rupert Murdoch. Lord Rothschild this trial the banks through who bailed out trump's casino bankruptcy. So you're saying it's auto one big incestuous club that will not invited added to. Yeah thanks for the call. Ralph what is your prediction for New Hampshire. We think is going to go down this week. I hope they can count vote. Oh to rely on kind of some at the New Hampshire. They've got the paper ballots. According according to this point it's all crooked according to our clemson year a lot of the delegates in in the Iowa caucuses now are relying on a very. The old school method. They're flipping coins. Now why is that because the numbers are close. And they're I guess close. Oh so they're a mess of the delegates is i. Who Am I gonNA work? Flip a coin. Wow Hey thanks for the call tonight. I appreciate hearing from you. According to POLITICO DOT COM Sixty almost almost sixty three percent of the precincts reporting and this was last updated at seven pm eastern time tonight Buddha jr or whatever Buddha gig is in the lead on the delegate count at Twenty six point nine Percent Bernie Sanders at twenty five point one percent. Pete has a lower popular vote however twenty eight thousand three hundred nineteen voting for sanders. Twenty seven thousand one hundred thirty five for Pete Buddha GIG and so it is neck and neck there in in Iowa. So there's your update on that so we were talking about The self talk or the lack thereof personal experiences internal expe- I well how do you how do you feel it. How's life present itself to you? Talk to yourself about it in your head. You visualize things. Apparently there's five different ways that people can handle this. I think things you recap those because I was really interesting Conan. We'll come back to that. Your calls and thoughts are welcomed. 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And there's like security guys riding around golfing or Kurds not so much at that. The point I don't think but there's just sort of vied total total shift and like nothing went late into the night on that night and the atmosphere was completely different. So this twenty twenty. It's going to be different because forecast is coming after the porcupine freedom festival and again it'll ten ultimately it'll be ending on the Independence Day weekend so it's excellent. They're already talking in the forecast chat room on telegram about like different things. That are going to happen this year. That didn't happen last year. Some people talking about renting the pavilion out and doing various various different things in there maybe having speeches like drag show or something like that. I'm not sure what are. Reo wants to put some sort of a performance together. I don't know what that's going to entail. And that's the thing we we don't know what it's going to be until various different people who are going to participate announce whatever it is that they're planning on doing it's all decentralized focused dot party June twenty-ninth till July fifth will look forward to seeing you there. I just registered the the FREETALKLIVE RV sites. So we're going to be right up front as soon as everybody comes in order to be sitting there at the RV site number for once will be broadcast there. You bring me room. We have not been in the media room for years. So yeah yeah so outdoorsman. We're we've been doing outdoor broadcast. It was actually going to rent the media room. What do they what do they use that for these days? Is there anyone in. They're not doing fort fast during pork. Fest it's a nice indoor space if you're GONNA have a bunch of people sit around and it happens to rain yeah. I don't know what they use it for the porcupine freedom festival I have no idea. That's great question. So check it out. Four Fest Dot Party as we continue here Conan. You were sharing with us. This interesting study that they did looking at thirty young young people call it. What what are they thinking as they go about their day they had a pager? The Pager would go off and this is like a decade ago right the ten years ago. I believe that it went off about six times a day. And then they're supposed to write write down. What at that moment were they in the midst of thinking if anything experiencing yeah and then I don't know I don't know if the list of the five ways that people think came from that study or that was completely separate but you mentioned that there's a fight they compiled these five experiences afterwards and I and I don't know if they were others others? That didn't make this list but these seem to make sense to me. In the first one the biggest one is inner monologue people who talked himself and in the next one and the line when was inner visions being able to see your experiences and then there was random thought which they call on symbolized thinkings or just random thoughts. Like you're talking about murdering murdering somebody I think I think I think some of them were like just wanting to jump off a bridge or Joe Joe about a window just random just off the off any kind of random random thought it could be like picking something Girgis doesn't have to be right as a number of murdering a number four where people who feel Who they lived there? Their experiences are via motion And a number five was sensory awareness which is being able to walk into a room and remembering remembering and noticing the temperature or how brighter light it was or just this or the smells And everyone all of these categories. Some people did not experience. These what I don't have at my fingertips was were there individuals who didn't experience any of these Any of the five. I think that does would be true. Non Player characters which I don't think actually exist but if you get into simulation theory one of the one of the one of the key tenants is processing power there is only so much processing power to run the simulation some things these are off so basically when I leave this room because I'm real You guys cease to exist because it's just sucking down processing when you're playing the witcher. Three whatever's in front of you is real. It's actually happening. It's been conjured up but the zone zone out of that's not it's not running anymore because that's just sucking down resource. I had that experience when I was on Salvia once where where the like. Basically anything outside of my field of vision I was convinced did not exist. There was like void like behind right. He'll like the language of eating it up. If you're king we'll see what happens to time once you've passed when you've passed it will it gets consumed assumed DOT COM silence. The big question is is so does the tree in the forest. There's no one around to hear the tree fall doesn't make a sound Well the truth is if you're not there to hear it to see it. It doesn't even exist. So isn't there some quantum theory that suggests that as well. Yeah it's all about St- Particles verses versus waves. If you're if you have to be observed in order for it to be a place corroding your cat correct. Science has everything is particle. Everything's made native of little part of a little shredding cat. Is the theory that a cat in a box with radium where some some sort of radioactive element that can decay at any moment and release enough radiation to kill the cat Means that the cat is in a state of being both alive and dead until observed. So it's just that's you know and also oh you can't measure thing until you observe it right supposedly that's the theory and they've tested this supposedly. There's this you know thing about you know the Observer You know they called The Observer effector observer effect of the Dual slit experiment in. which you know that whole thing like there's this whole pseudoscience? That's around this particular experiment because you can actually get the double slit affect with a needle in a laser meaning no two slits and you still get the the interference pattern. Because essentially the whole thing about the observer that that's a mistake is that specifically in the case of those photons being measured you have to take the photon and literally take the votes on an order observant in that particular case. It's not that there's some spooky action of an observer mystically changing changing the result of the experiment. It's that a photon had to be moved. Actually go to where the observation was taking place like there are different. There are different aren't Ways in which observer can affect something but in some of these things. It's not you know there are people that try to imply that somehow somehow mystical magical magic absolutely not back to the processing speed what I was trying to get to is that. What if what if what if we're all OH? NPC's in fact the whole nature of the game is to actually wake to to achieve enlightenment And so what if because I hear some people say that they kind of zone out. There's there are times in the day where art actually thinking about anything or seeing anything they just Kinda just kinda zoned out. What what if? They're hogging resources and they actually. They're just ones and Zeros unscripted and they are actually off. I don't know but we'll talk about that coming up since you brought it up to that Conan The toll free number here is eight fifty five four fifty free. 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Toll Free number eight fifty five four fifty free and we can talk about anything we've been talking about the internal monologue and I don't know if we really do you feel like you've got everything you wanted to to say about that CONAN fascinating. It is done this all right. Good we all think differently. We have different. There's different ways of do a pee wee and we learn differently everyone's individuals snowflake. I wanted to ask a real quick question though. How are you in names remembering names? People's name usually meet somebody. I usually play games and and one of the things I always try to do is say the name out loud that shake your hand and it just kind of works right horrible names because what I do and I can't remember the words for it because somebody somebody's name for me is a word it's a repetition of them but again because I think in abstractions I think people the same way right so I actually Lee will oftentimes. I have lots of people where I will remember. I can remember things about like their birthday or like something happened to them in in their childhood where I met them like different things and not remember their name Yup and try the tricks. Try saying they don't work worked for me try try to the rhyming game. Works actually find their name and enrollment with something so every time you see him you call them if I force myself to do a number of those then usually I can commit. Someone's name to memory but it's definitely not automatic process because I'm the type of person that doesn't work with words as much as I do with concepts here the rain man your arms and make me Rainman Rainman rainman would remember everyone's name Count Cards taking you to Vegas Man. We're GONNA that's why you wanted to move the Vegas I gear card counter. Twenty one with my girlfriend recently like started doing the counting and I started naming the count as it was going on and they did some of the things I was like behind their. You know the symbols that they had what the hands behind their back or brushing the hair. I would say what they were. My friends like girlfriends. Like okay okay. Like she was annoyed that I could remember from the speech at the beginning of the movie what they were doing. And that's the way it is. I just I just noticed talking about movies and video games the witcher. There's not a movie yet but it's a television. They're going to not need to make a movie. I think they've done a good enough job. Job Game of thrones style that this is going to. It's going to turn out all right. I was I was I was I I. I didn't know where it was going to give us this summer. Here what is the witcher so basically all your fantasy people out there and maybe not I mean on. A game of thrones had a lot of normally fans the people who weren't necessarily surly into the fantasy genre. They did a good job. I think they they actually reached out to The normal people out there and won them over and I think the witcher could do the same. But I was leery. I was not sure where it was going. I did. I have played all the Games. So is that where you started with this starting games and I've only just just now got into the books the books haven't been translated until what is the game is the role playing game. Or what is it. It's basically a first person role playing game based on your third persons Both both thirty and I it depends on if you WANNA mouse out or not. Well you know I I take picked up back. This third person. So it's based on Garrett Girl of Riviera who is I monster Hunter Okay and it's very neutral. It's very gray. It's very a grey dismal atmosphere. And this is something that the show I think lost touch with but the games and the books WCHS. It's so very neutral that you just don't you could be working for the bad guys you could be working for the good guys I think he one of his one of those games. Where you you can choose to like to be the bad guy or the good guy not like something like fable or you know where you can just grow in the next day? It's more the choices that that are made are more gray and it's not really you're not it's not so it's not so certain that at the end of the day at the end of the quest you you would. You would have actually done the right thing. I see. There's lots of replay ability. There's lots of chances to make the wrong mistake because your is it. A LINEAR game somewhere. There's always going to be the linear main quest. But then you have your open. Sandbox open world. Gets you open world Yes for sure definitely. If you're going to get into the game goes straight great to witcher three which was very clunky? Yeah in a witcher to was consul is and you know how I feel about the consuls. Okay so you can skip to the third game experience. The dirt gained any plot from as an avid book reader. The reason I haven't finished this series because like are there seven Sir seven okay I think seven but the only reason I haven't finished that series. It's because they've just translated a lot of them. Some of them just been translated. Translate the last couple of years. The game has only been out the original language Polish show so the original author is a guy named Andres Soup Hausky K.. Who hated to gain and by the way because of what they did to his character really but I think he's kind of he's kind of leveled off a little bit but he had a lot to do with T.? TV The TV TV show so anyways they hand a someone got the bright idea that they would turn this huge franchise into a TV series. And of course like I said it was very leery especially with some of the choices of actors. One of them being the main character Casted by Henry Cavill. which most of you probably Superman and I'm like? Yeah you got the square cut. You know kind of This guy couldn't handle it but it turns out. cavill is an avid gamer. He played all the wages. He's a world of warcraft player. He actually sought out the directors and producers to play this character. I think I think cavill is this. This show's saving grace because he actually pulls it together. He does such a great job. I'm not happy with some of the The other choices because I really wanted that kind of Slavic feel they did a lot. They brought a lot of characters. And it just don't feel like the video game they don't they don't feel Slavic. They did a lot of they did a lot of black washing which doesn't make sense that mean that means they put black characters into white roles that don't make sense they don't make any sense now. When game of thrones did it it made sense you had a lot of the southern nations wins which were were Brown and Dark Brown? So you're saying the divers for the sake of diversity are being just for the sake of woke and it does it. But it doesn't ruin it doesn't ruin the show. The first the first episode is definitely a lot of very strong women and I was I was I was calm con con Extremely concerned in the first episode But it makes sense. There's strong because they're not. They're not mary sue types which are destroyed. Because they're women. They're strong because they actually earned the right. They earned it through experience in merit so definitely a fan of this year. I'm going to I was. I think I'm going to give the first series. I think there's ten episodes. I'M GONNA give it a six out of ten out of ten. I'm going to give the potential of the Of the whole franchise would get the potential seven ten that would be like Kinda average what they have. But I'm a fantasy guy like this. This is my this. Is My genre this eight in school. Eight hundred sixty four. There's different scales depending on. Where did you grow up? It was sixty four was an F. it's an F.. The they messed asked up on the Utah linearity of the game. They were all over the place in the show and I so I hadn't read the books yet so I was and I didn't even realize that they were the time changes were happening. You know from from episode episode episode four like that all right now they were jumping around. But you didn't. It's confusing using here. I am I know the Games I know the books and even I was having a hard time following some of it and that's why I'm giving it a six. Because they messed up on some of the the the some of the world Building now if you're gonNA read the books they'll do what I did. I went straight to the first book. which is the blood of elves? You can do this but it is recommended that start the books and I do recommend it. Go to the short story books. I so the last start the books with the last wish their short stories stories they are heavily garrelt. Gill Garrelt is. It's more about him when you get to blood. It's introducing all types of characters and a whole bunch of world building building. That is kind of. It's kind of off putting so you go from action scene and you go to a whole chapter of world building. We're just people talking talking politics and stuff so definitely start with the short stories. I definitely I definitely recommend the books. I'm wishing that Well I mean like I couldn't. They've only been You know translated just recently. But now that they are I recommend I recommend the books series continuing in the books. Are there new books still become the series will end. I think there's I I think there's seven to five main books in the shorts. The two short story books no over the over okay. But I do believe they're talking about a witcher for and the original author might be onboard. He's he's hated CD project red ever since day. One is that the producer of the game. He I think he. I think it was a money. The you know what happened. I think he kind of just wrote it off and dislike handed over for caring for a payout and then the game took off. And he's he's mad about he's buttered about the fact that he didn't get the he's not getting royalties For sure but that's just how that creative differences and money so definitely recommend. I recommend all three the game the book and the New TV shows on Netflix. Okay there you go CONAN's review of the witcher and yeah I have not checked any of it out I still I I got to watch Season four of Mister robot which. I haven't watched that as well All right so we'll see you tomorrow night online. In the meantime you can join us over at FREETALKLIVE DOT com. Would it be nice to wake up in the morning whenever you want and work whenever you feel like it jake women under your terms. Instead of societies be be a completely free man. 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You deserve discounts with Snapshot Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates Snapshot Not Available in California North Carolina overall agents. This is America's sports talk show sports byline. USA HERE'S RON BAR WE'RE GONNA share with you. An interview that we did with the late Alex Karras. He died at the age of seventy seven thirteen years in professional football ball. All of those thirteen with the Detroit lions and he was a six time all pro he also authored a very funny novel called Tuesday Night Football. He was a three time all all state football player at three different positions. He went on to play at Iowa and he was an all American at Iowa's well a collegian heavyweight wrestling champion in nineteen in fifty eight the Detroit lions made him their overall number one choice in the draft and now our interview with Alex Karras. I have a book in front of me. It's it's called Tuesday night football it's a authored by Alex Karras along with Douglas. Graham and certainly Alex needs no introduction. But it's a pleasure to have him here on Sports Byline Alex. Good evening how are you. That's not bad Good to talk to you again. It's been a while. Listen when I take a look at this book and I have not read yet but I've read snatches of it. I gotTa tell you there's some really funny the. What was the motivation for writing? Well you know we We really decided to do a screenplay and it was during the eighty seven writers strike. We had a little time so once we get this screenplay we liked it so much that we went back and did a novel we love the characters. Awful lot of people that I recognize. was that done by design. Well you know I gotTa deal with the venue that I'm from and of course it's it's athletic so with that mind I always wanted to tell people exactly what goes on behind the scenes of a three hour live sporting event in this country and the people who put it on including the commercials and the Manufacturers Church and the producers and the play by play people so I was able to do it in Tuesday night football very realistic line. Let's go through some of the characters Let me explain who they are Laszlo. Kovacs Laszlo forbath is kind of a all American kind of guy. He has the American Eric Andrine. He was brought over when he was one years old and his of his mother and father on the boat coming into New York decided. They wouldn't speak anything unless it was English. And the mother said to the father but we don't know English so therefore they didn't speak much of anything for three years and poor Lonzo didn't hear English spoken at all so so what he got out of it was he went into the radio very heavy into the radio and he loved radio and he loved the program and he loved the commercials so the first thing that ever came out allows slows mouth at age four. What's what his father's car broke down and he looked at his dad and said see the USA Chevrolet and Of course his role in all of this explain what happens to him in this book. Well he he he goes on and he picks up the accordion at the age of five. And he he can play the accordion. He's wonderful accordion player and he eventually starts to to make a living Going around the different hotels else Around the country. And he's he's known as a jingle king if you can stop a stump him with a jingle to give you a free drink and basically. That's what Laszlo does as well so happens at Phoenix Higgin the richest man in the world. Who owns outright Tuesday night? Football his trying to hype his Tuesday night football program and realizes that laws could be a wonderful commodity for him and he coastal is low and asks him to do it in Laszlo's just excited because he'd love to do or something like that and basically. That's what happens in laws locus to do Tuesday night football now. The one of the broadcasters in the booth is Hayward Griller and in the book I want to quote from it says hype the ratings and this is after. It's been announced that Horvath. I guess is going to join the broadcasting team on Tuesday night hype the ratings says. Hey what has the man. No shame Tuesday just the night. Football is an American institution no Hayward Princeton is an American institution. Sing Sing is an American institution Tuesday night. Footballs television show on as long long as higgins pays the bills if he wants Laszlo Horvath on the air. We'll put Laszlo Horvath on the air. What's Jingle King from Arizona? Got To do with football anyway. What's any of this got to do football that really in a sense I think captures Network television to some degree. We trying to do that absolutely lutely though I've been I've been around television for the last twenty years so I think it's It's very realistic. And a lot of ways talk a little bit about Hayward Hayward is is my prototype for Hayward Actually is in. You know I mean there's no secret is Howard cosell and I'm not the type of person you know to put down anybody nor would I ever put down Howard because I think Howard was one of the best on television So I took him and as the character and of course I blew him way out of proportion and a lot of ways But he's he's a wonderful character. And and so is the lance all all good. WHO's the WHO's the play by play? Good looking over the hill athlete. Who is now doing the play by play for Tuesday night football? Some of the other so-called recalled minor characters in the book. Well we we have quite a few of them and we have a lousy those fantasy he runs into everybody but he runs into Karl Malden when he loses his wallet and he's trying to get to Chicago and of course Karl Malden gives them the whole The whole bit it on the credit card so he does a credit card with With Carl and he goes on he sees Jimmy the Greek who you know as we all know was busted at CBS. And he's now driving driving a limousine and he gets involved with the Jimmy the Greek and there's a lot of wonderful characters in a lot of fun doing this book. I had a great time doing the book Lookin. And I'm really pleased because I was in that terrible scene in New York the other day you know where where the The power failure happened and I was sitting on on an airport for eight hours in an airplane and I looked over around three seats from and there was a guy reading Tuesday night football. I was delighted. This is going to be made into the movie May I Inquire about who may play some of the main characters Do you have any thoughts as to what Jackson's you'd like to have plan. There's a lot of good guys around a lot of good people around around and My wife and I have been doing production for for movies of the week. So we're really for. This is our first feature film so we we have a lot of people in mind and and Hopefully we'll start to. We'll start to work on that in within the next three weeks so I don't want to divulge who they might be because if you know if they're if they're are not able to do it you know in Hollywood if people don't know that they're they're they're number one choice. They might get up at like Freddie Dryer Yourself Merlin Olsen and even John Madden. That have made a nice transition from being involved in sports either as a player coach into the entertainment or broadcasting casting area Why have you all been able to do it? I I had the theory that each of you In whatever you've done vehicle wise in broadcasting or or motion pictures are really no different in that vehicle than what you were personality wise in sports as well. Well you know. It's it's it's an interesting thing I've I've said this many many times but my right my bottom line is that I was always going to be an actor and the and the circumstances happened in my family that changed my mind and I had to be an athlete in order to do what I did to get to get started but I knew I was always gonNA come back to act and of course. This is what I'm doing now. Is there anything more interesting than the theater of sports I think of but in terms of Maybe the theater of medicine where you have doctors and operating rooms but really the theater of sports is one that I think captures both the success failure sadness enjoying well. I I agree with you about that. You know and You know my dad was a doctor and so I look at his life. It's an and and and what I've gone through and it's just about the same you know it's just about nine years in the national football league. Does it seem like an eternity ago. Well well it's starting to look like an attorney you go you know. I have eleven year old daughter who came home the other day and just was the happiest person in the world. I said what on Earth's going going on she said I sold you for eleven dollars. She said I founded Carta. Your sold it for eleven dollars. I didn't know you played football when she got it to begin with. She's a great retailer. I tell you what I love one of the lines that you laid down one time. I think somebody was talking about academics in College Sports Sports and somebody wants to ask you since you were four time. All American Iowa you ask you how long you had gone there and you said what two terms Eisenhower and Truman do you feel that The things that are happening with college athletics today or for good or for bad for college athletics. As far as reduction of practice time and and maybe a little bit of a de emphasis. Yeah well you know it's it's it's hard really to to to to talk about it because you know It's such. It's such a major major thing for colleges as far as revenue is concerned that when you take Notre Dame and you hook them up with NBC for millions and millions of dollars. Are you talking big time business and And then you know then you university of Iowa where I went I mean you know. Their whole program is run. I on whether weather the the The revenue was going to be big that year. So it's it's become such a big business that I don't know whether or not you deemphasize that sport at all anymore. Oh I think we've gone past that but I would like to see happen in college. Football is to cut the hypocrisy and pay those guys X.. Amount of dollars to go there. I I mean that's the reality of what's going on anyway isn't it. Well let me let me just follow that because I agree with you. I think that the athletes should get some type of stipend because they're bringing in so much money into the university today. How would you suggest that that be done? And what would you say because other people will argue. What about the other sports? Even if they're not revenue Revenue Producing Sports. Would you not have a legal legal problem. Say with the the women's field hockey team or women's basketball or what have you is that opening a Pandora's box it may very well be and you know it's that whole it's the the whole story again. How far do you go with any of this stuff but I I just kind of think that we're we're at where situation right now in college Especially in in football that we have to realize that these people you know I'm I'm an urban night and I went to Iowa and I certainly didn't go to I'll because I la- was fascinating to me. I was an old country town when I went there. I had a lot of problems that Iowa socially you know they were doing. They were playing pat. Boone records records. I never heard of until I got. 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Alex Garrison I were comparing notes on television. Would you repeat what you just said to me because I thought it was very poignant I I am I. I haven't been doing much of anything lately. Other than kind of contemplating you know when I would have done and and kind of relaxing and enjoying my life in many way and I so I've been away from television and particularly I've been away from not only television but radio and I've gone on this kind of You you know book tour and I find that the most stimulating and creative end of the media to to as far as I'm concerned right now as you know as if someone just kinda walking in and and and checking this all out it's been radio The deejays around the country very sharp operators. And they know what's going on and they have good questions to ask and it's fun again. You know television has gotten to the point well liked the book will say it gets to the point where you know you do three plays and twelve commercials and and you can't get in the middle of a sentence and all of a sudden you gotta do ivory flakes while you know the the thing that I think makes radio such a special medium is that it requires you to pay attention in it. Create it requires you also to have an imagination as television as you know has the impact. But but it doesn't really stay with you yeah Let me take you before. I open up the lines. Here let me take you into the broadcast booth the Monday night football. A lot of people don't understand understand what it is like especially something as high profile as money like football and the way it's produced in everything can you kind of give people a capsule feeling of what it was like to be in the booth. What was going on around you and behind the scenes during any given football game? Well I think that The the biggest thing that I that I can can say about the what I did on Monday night. Football was I felt a tremendous amount of stress in many ways And I don't know if I can really explain it that well but I can only say that which and it's similar to what I go through as an actor? You know when they when they hire you to do a certain job they they have to hire you. I would think because of your past performances and the things that you do well I found that when I did the Monday Monday night. Football that they try to create a whole new person in me and it was not the person they hired and I always say that the director now now that I do movies and things you know you paid me because you want this out of me and now you want to get that out of me. I don't I don't get it Plus the fact that To me When I have to it was much like when I played football when when Monday nights I started you know we were down on the three or four yard line and and we were playing somebody and they were trying to score and there was a time out and being the captain of the team? I scream green yell at the referee. WHO The hell call time out? And I said we didn't call the time out and they didn't call the time up so who called the time out and he said we commercial break for goodyear tire. Well you know it takes a little bit out of the whole thing when that happens I wanNA does. Is it says that it's a studio production rather than A natural expression of athletic ability. I think you're absolutely right. And that's one of the things that I The problems that I have had with network television. Is that the announcers. This is can no longer state opinions because if you happen to ruffle the feathers of one city or another depending upon which teams. You're doing They're going to hear about it on Monday. Let's go let's go to the phones around the country McLean Virginia. You're up next Charlie. Hi Alex how are you very well. Thank God three quickies and I'll listen to it First of all artificial turf if now a days and where you're playing as far as the injury number two the instant replay. What do you think in number three your thoughts and opinions on as far as the College National Championship? You Ford or against it. I'll hang it and listen to you Artificial turf it was It was developed to cut down supposedly supposedly on injuries and make and make the field Whether it's rains or snow Always the same and I think that's become noticeably ably a farce And I think it's It's a very I think there's a lot of injuries because of it we played on it I played on at my last last couple of years and although I must frankly tell you that I enjoyed playing on it because frankly made me a little faster than I normally would be So there's pros and cons on it. I think it was strictly for maintenance. Cut Down on the amount of people that had to work on that On the turf and I I can't see anything else in it As far as college championships are concerned. I think they should have college championships if I mean if they if they want to go go and take each section of the country and and after five or six games a plane in their league then going into the playoffs and that kind of limitation. I think it'd be great. I'm all for that kind of stuff. You know Alex you're involved A for the use of any lack of use of anything else in the trenches in a sense You're guy that was up front Ron and to me that's an area. I love watching during a ballgame. Just having my field glasses focused on that area. Tell me some of the things that go on some of the more humorous things in real life things that going up front that we don't see because everybody's focused on the wide receiver quarterback or the running that. Well you know. I always tell this to people and they they they think it's That I'm kidding And in some ways I am but in most ways I'm not I was finally scared to death when I played in in the National Football League. Not so much college but in the National Football League I was pretty scared and I really was very concerned about keeping myself. One hundred percent uh without getting injured So I learned quickly in the National Football League that either less hits I would take on my on myself a better off pilot be so physically I really tried to keep myself in real good shape and then stay away from everybody now. I know that sounds like you know like like like it's a comedy but the the bottom line is if you've ever asked anyone that played against me whether or not they ever you know really blocked me. They they probably answer. No I never saw him Because I would I would try to stay away from as much as possible. I'm not saying I'm chicken. I'm just saying that. Well I guess Zaim Sentiment Chicken and all about but it helped me out and I was I was very mobile. Could move laterally as fast as anyone could move laterally because of that I was able to stay away ahead. A lot of guys that really would like to have taken more shots at me but never really quite caught me. You were involved in the very interesting Gema. I'm and I'm referring to the saints game against the Lions in which Dempsey kicked the field goal of sixty plus yards. Can you kind of relive that a moment. Classic of All time you know we have a We had wrapped up the season and we were going to go in the playoffs and New Orleans hadn't done a thing that year and so we went down to New Orleans and we love to go down in New Orleans especially Those conditions where we'd have already gotten our playoff wrapped up so it was the first time was in seventy and we went down there Had a wonderful evening you know now I mean we had a lot of drinks and we had great dinners a lot of laughs and within the beds a late and got up early in the morning and proceeded to go down to the football field kind universally so that we could throw up before we played. He's the night before we you know we had those kind of things going. We'd like to do that early so he wouldn't embarrass ourselves but when we got on the field although it went just about what we thought it was going to do. We didn't really have to play very hard and we were not you know way out in front but we were out in front by two points which we thought that would be enough and in the was enough because it was only about seven or eight seconds left to go and they were on their own thirty seven yard line and Someone called all the time out and I asked the REV who laws and they said I guess the New Orleans Saints Call the time I said well what the heck for so well. They're going to send in the kicker. I said Yeah I know no but why would they call time. Well he's a field go kick and I said Oh come on. Let's do he's GonNa try to kick a field goal is come So make a long story short here comes this Israel. kind of a big PUDGY. Kind of guy on the field limping. I SAYS LUDICROUS ISIS names. Tom Dempsey's well. I never heard of before. What does he do this? Six field goals. I said he's limping. You're supposed to be going off the field if you're limping not coming on the field. So the referee said I have no idea what they're thinking about. What wait intimate? He's handicapped this guy's handicap. Look at. His foot is all bend up. He's got a big mouth on foot. He said Yeah I said well does that. Mean that he has to turn it around. Thirty seven yards the other way he said I don't have the slightest idea so we started laughing and our coach yelled out. What the heck's going on I said well they're gonNA try to kick a field goal and he started laughing and we all started laughing and the guy lined up to kick the ball and there was only five of us left on the field so I ran to the outside to get a look at this this this cartoon it was happening and there was only as I said it was only five of us left? And we we're laughing and we left and we left in the guy hit the ball and it sounded like a cannon going off and we stop laughing and the ball kept going and going and went sixty three hearts for feel. Maybe that's rose things that you'll never forget. We hope you have enjoyed our interview with the late Alex Karras Paris one of the all-time Great Defensive Lineman in NFL history. We continue with more of you at America. Sports talk show. Hey travelers. Do you want how to save money on your next flight. Then pick up the phone and call. That's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares. See smartfares a special deals with the airlines. When they have unsold seats they use smartfares to fill them? So you get airline tickets at ridiculously low prices. Our prices are to low to publish online with the extra money. You'll save you. 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Who Works for sixty minutes and sixty minutes sports and he also did outstanding standing work as a reporter for HBO's Real Sports and now he can add executive producer on one of the best sports documentaries? I've ever seen it's on showtime and it's called running for his life the Lawrence Phillips Story and it examines the epidemic domestic violence. That plagued one of America's most talented and flawed athletes. This this documentary. Let me tell everybody is a must see arm. And we know what happened with into Lawrence Phillips Book. We have a definitive answer as to why it happened well Ryan. I don't think it's definitive. But based on our reporting and and examination of his life right down to the the fact that he was abandoned by his father when he was three years old. I think it's pretty important to point to the part of Lawrence's this is life when he moved to La with his mom and He was on the mean streets of L. A. With the bloods and the crips in the late eighties in Los Angeles and at the age of eleven skipping sort of through the fact that he grew up in a home and in Los Angeles where his mother had one bad news. His boyfriend after another and there was physical abuse and verbal abuse and Including a time when one of the boyfriends urinated on Lawrence when he was a very a young child at the age of eleven Because he had become a truant in the fifth grade Never really really went to the fifth grade. He was put in a group home in Los Angeles and a particular group homes called the McLaren homes which was a House of horror and in documentary wrote a line that said swallow childhood whole and that I think if you look at Lawrence's life and the abandonment initials and the rejection issues by mom It really becomes a a folk room for a lot of the The violence that he perpetuated on women as his as his life move forward. I thought one of the strong lines in the documentary in that particular area came from former Mclaren Hall Foster Child Child Andrew Bridge as he called that Children's group home produces long term psychological damage to children and I think at that particular time in his life. That might've been the thing that sent him down the wrong road and Mike correct on that observation. Absolutely correct I think if there's a if there was a A breaking point. Join for Lawrence It it came in that in that group home when he was eleven years old he spent a year there and there were three hundred kids. There and Andrew Bridge was such a a great voice in our in our documentary because a he lived in the McLaren homes And had some. I'm very traumatic. Memories of living there and then he goes to Harvard law school and becomes a very prominent child advocate for people that are in those homes So he had you very unique perspective and it's very For All of us that grew up with two parents Aronson in in in normal lives. It's hard to understand what it's like to be basically given away by your mother at the age of eleven become a ward of the state to be in a group home or foster home and then a group home and really have no anchor in your life And the anger and the resentment Batman and the rejection how that plays out psychological lake In a young man's life moving forward. That's a huge huge part of this documentary. One of the things. I also came away with was everybody that was closely involved with Lawrence Really in the end felt that they could have done something more now. I know there was Tony Zane his coach at Baldwin Park High School in Los Angeles there was also Barbara Thomas. The woman who rescued him from state run foster care. There was Dick Romeo with the Saint Louis Ballclub. And of course Tom Osborne who was his head coach at Nebraska That sense of of all of awesome feeling they could do more. It was possible in this documentary. Absolutely I mean you you really found one of the the rhythms and the threads edged. The spine of film is is that for as horrific as The domestic violence cases that and the assaults that Lawrence perpetuated on women beginning in Nebraska There was another side to Lawrence. That was a a warm side of beloved side a very caring side that drew him to people whether it was strength coaches at Nebraska or barb. Thomas Sort Tina Mack. Who had the group homes or Tony Zane all these people that were Part and parcel of his life. Tom Osborne Osborne Dick for meal. And that's where the dichotomy was. It was like on one hand. He was very loving Very intelligent individual but on the other hand There were these demons in his life. That we say he just could not outrun and and so many of those demons trace back to the childhood did he had as I said particularly rejection by women and an longer that was associated with that in your documentary. Tom Osborne says I wish maybe somehow I could have made more of a difference. His slide downhill on hill really kinda began at Nebraska. Did it not with the involvement with a co Ed and the problem that he had with her and everything. Can you talk a little bit about that. Well absolutely I mean. Lawrence in nineteen ninety. Five was the odds on favorite to win the heisman trophy. Nebraska had won the national championship that year before They had gone undefeated In that particular weekend which I think is so poetic in so many ways They had just pummeled Michigan. State with their new head coach Nick Sabin. Nick is such a great character in this in this film About what happened in East Lansing is first year of the head coach at Michigan State. Nebraska just kills Michigan State and. Nick really doesn't know what to do he's been in the NFL for four years. He's been a defensive coordinator with BILL BALLOT CHECK IN CLEVELAND. And he's suddenly watching. Lawrence Phillips Phillips Run for two hundred and four yards and four touchdowns against the SPARTANS. and He's thinking I haven't seen a back like this in the NFL. And and that night after Lawrence you know battered and bruised falling asleep on the plane. Going back to Lincoln John was supposed to meet. Well we're supposed to Kate McEwen Basketball player Lady Husky Basketball Player who he had the first really significant girlfriend He had ever had in his life was supposed to meet her for a date that night and she ends up going out with friends ends up in the apartment of Scott. Frost who at the time was a transfer quarterback from Stanford six foot three. Good looking blond in strapping young man and When Warren's found out about that He simply kind of freaked out. It was a rejection that he It flipped his switch. Drives across town. frost apartment. Kate was there Lawrence Orange scales a balcony Three floors up Breaks through the sliding glass door into Scott Frost Department -partment Basically assaults frost and then drags kate down three flights of stairs which becomes literally in Nineteen Nineteen ninety-five of cause celebre as far as domestic or violence against women and it it destroyed really Lawrence's career Nebraska Obliterated his chance to become a heisman trophy winner. And it's I think it was really we you know Ron the first time that violence against women perpetuated by a superstar athlete in College came onto the national stage in it really set the stage. For what a coach do I mean all we have to do now is look at what's going on in Oklahoma with Joe mixon accent is the most recent example but I think Tom Osborne found himself though question. I don't think it I know it found himself in a national spotlight He's suspended Lawrence for six games. And you know the wrath of God comes down from the national media on that and it turns turns into the kind of story that Really up in the APP. The huskers image and turns You know Lawrence's life upside-down Armond. Katayan is with us on sports spot on. We're talking about his documentary as executive producer and also doing a lot of writing on this thing. It's called running running for his life. The Lawrence Phillips store. You can see it on showtime. It is the best documentary in sports. I've ever seen the same verdict Bermeo. He was frustrated as well. He tried to throw him a lifeline with the rams Saint Louis Rams he said if I had to do it over again I might not have fired him. A wasted gifted human being at haunts me and even recommended To the late bill walls with the San Francisco Forty niners after again. Dick Bermeo couldn't do anything with him as well and then even bill. Walsh couldn't reach him. I'm as well so the story proceeds. He ends up being in Los Angeles. Continued problems with people Women primarily and the end of his life is he. He ends up dying but is that still in question whether he committed suicide or something else happened. Armand Well Ryan if I if I back up a little bit. I think one of the most powerful not even think I know one of the most powerful characters the peop- people in our documentary is Amelia. Wise Slur who was the the woman in San Diego who met Lawrence. She was a dancer at a Strip club in San Diego. Lawrence's down his lock. Lock down and out. But one of the most I think powerful Elements of the documentary is. Is this very dangerous. Dance between the victim and the violent and Amelia in no uncertain terms. expresses expresses what it's like to be in love with with a guy that abuses her but at the same time so frightened by What happens What happened to her that on one occasion but two occasions and it really for US elevated a documentary into a level level about? Let's discuss you know domestic violence as an issue and and what happens and I think once we get through that then you get into Lawrence being convicted. Not only of assaulting Amelia Leisler but driving his car into Some young boys and hit hit a pickup basketball game in Los Angeles. He gets thirty one years in prison and then on top of that. He's accused of murdering a cellmate over a very questionable Set of circumstances and that leads to this Again the mystery of how Lawrence died in the Kern valley state prison in California and there were so many any levels to this documentary from the beginning of Lawrence's life to how it ended in January at the age of forty and this suicide is to whether it happened or not we let The viewer decide Whether it's true or not but it just gave it a level of Texture and depth that Ross Greenburg who produced it and directed it and Albert albacan T- who'd produced it really as the conductor of the train Lars Anderson who was a terrific writer for sports illustrated now bleacher report and myself itself Coupled with a fabulous director of Photography Steve Lemay an incredible editor. Jason Schmitt. We all KINDA got wrapped up in this and the way that we're like trying to tell a bigger story. This is not so much about what happened at Lawrence Phillips. But why why everything happened to warn Phillips. And that's I think what elevates this doc is something that's above the you know above the basic line here we have only about forty five seconds left Is there a message that comes from this movie. documented running for his life Lawrence Phillips Story. Well absolutely fluently run. I think it I think it starts in the in the group homes foster homes in La. It works its way through domestic violence and the questions about that and then and it moves into the NFL. About why is it that somebody like Lawrence Phillips was never given any kind of education or treatment amen or programs in the NFL. They do that now. But in the mid nineteen nineties that was just not available. And I don't really know whether the the NFL in fact. I do know I don't believe the NFL's doing enough now to treat this kind of Behavior by athletes. And it's gotTa Change Change. I don't think education programs really work. I think you need people like Ray. Rice and Brenda Tracy was a victim of domestic violence. To speak from the heart about it and make he could a a much more real event than it is right now rather than some skit and a rookie symposium arm and I WanNa thank you very much for doing in this story in your whole team as well. It's just outstanding. And I urge everyone checking out on showtime it's called running for his life the Lawrence Phillips Story and in my a opinion. This is a documentary. That is a must see Armond Katayan with us. We continue across the country and around the world on sports rebuild. A bill to replace transmission thirty two hundred dollars and I love brake system. A thousand dollars to build a replace engine twenty four hundred dollars through this once. You're manufacturer's warranty Mardi runs out. It's all on you. Every last cent get protection for covered repairs with a vehicle service contract from Toco warranty unlike other companies with Toko. 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If you're a good driver there's no other way to say you deserve discounts with Snapshot Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates Snapshot Not Available in California North Carolina or from all agents sir. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Greg Walsh is joined us on sports byline. I can tell you over my long broadcasting sports career. I've met an awful lot of people but one of the most fascinating people I've ever met is the late bill. Walsh in nineteen seventy seven. I became the play by play announcer for the Stanford. Cardinal Bill. Walsh became the head football coach down there. And that's how our friendship and our relationship started and of course as you know. He passed away after thirty years of friendship with me and after winning three super bowls but the forty nine organization which was in shambles when he took it over turned around one the three championships with him as the head coach and then two more after that his son. Craig Walsh is with us in the studio and has written a book about bill and it's called the score takes care of itself my philosophy of leadership and Craig before we start talking about the book and the things that are applicable to business leadership and other aspects of one's life. I want to talk about the Bill Walsh demand because I think that children have the best perspective of all all of people that are famous and I'm just wondering at what point did you realize what your father did for a living. Well I was a young lad I knew he was a football football coach. You know growing up and He wouldn't be there on the weekends because If it was college Saturday play Games under your breakdown the film and if it was the NFL you know you're gone on Friday and you're back late Sunday so I knew that his profession took him away for the weekend. And then I knew that It was a lot of work work that went on at home. And my really my. I experienced it with my father was he would bring home. The tape was tape it was filmed back in those days and a projector and and he'd run through the plays over and over again and I would sit there with him and he would watch the first step of everybody. In the line of scrimmage and back it up I step back it up I step back it up and as a young lad I thought God this is how you do it. I mean you have to you watch every step. And that's what he was doing. He was really looking at every player on the field. And I thought wow this football thing is a lot to. I might point out that Craig is the Middle Son. Steve was the oldest son and Elizabeth. Of course I. The one girl in the family was the youngest in the family. How hard is it on children who happen to have parents that are in the limelight or in this particular case in sports a real tough I mean it is yes I mean you learn to take on much like yourself you know the wins and losses are difficult on the family as they are on your father And you learn to live live with it. I mean you've got to go to school on Monday if the team won everybody's happy if they lost or wants to know what happened and you go through life that way and it really kinda tough job a little a bit and let you know that you know everybody has a profession Some are more in the limelight and others and you really just have to make sure that you're comfortable with it. You brought up a very interesting interesting point. The transient nature of being coach. Or you're with one team one year and maybe coaching staff gets fired. Or you move to another opportunity. How hard is that on a family? It's tough you. I don't know any better. You know growing up. You think that's what everybody does you know. It's not until you get in your older older years and have children for yourself. You realize you know that there's another way It was tough for US my family we were My father was coaching for the Oakland Raiders. And then he we were in Cincinnati and from Cincinnati. We went to San Diego and I went from Indian hill high school to La Hoya High School talk about a culture shock and also I always. I've always thought that that that women in the family never get enough credit but now I know your mom real well. She's a very strong personality. And I think that that's one of the things that really helped as far as keeping the family together and also making The family unit be the able to work successfully my correct for every successful coach there. There's a strong woman and anyone out there. Listening you know can attest to that that When you come? I'm home but the last thing you're going to want to see. Is You know the wife and the children asking you what happened you know. How did you lose? I mean you want to have support you WANNA odd cup of cocoa and a a snack in you. Don't want to be asked. You know what the heck happened out there. Was it any different in the off season and it was during the season now. There's so much preparation on my father. I work for the forty niners for a number years when he came back In what I saw there was a little different than he was there. I mean he was one of these guys that just completely completely prepared over prepared You know he'd wake up in the middle of night and I'd hear that Dan projector on you know. And I knew what he was doing he had thought of something woke up and wanted to double check it. You know. And then he'd be Most of the guys out there that worked for the organization new in the eighties that he was the first one in and he was the first to leave and players respected that when they pulled their cars in the parking lot. There was my father's car you know. They put their hand on the hood. See How long you've been there. And that thing was cold because he was in there preparing you know he he had as much at stake. The players did and it wasn't that he was the head coach and they were the players. He had a role to play and everybody knew their roles and his just happened to be head coach. How did he deal with the professional professional frustration because he was supposed to have succeeded? Paul Paul Rounded Cincinnati as the head coach did not get that thought that after a pro throw left San San Diego that he was going to get the head coaching job. There did not get an opportunity to be a head coach in the National Football League to forty nine years old. How did he deal with that? You know it was tough and in in the book we we cover that extensively you know and there's all kinds of components that went into that one of them that people have to understand and it really played out in the eighties eighties with success. Is That my dad looked at the football field. Horizontally not vertically and this win against all the traditions of football and now when you combine that with Paul Brown's thinking when he established the bengals he'd come from a running world he'd had Jim Brown and a number of others and he thought North and south is how football to be played in my father. It did look at it that way you know he. He looked at the talent that the team had an adjusted game. Plan around that talent. And a Lotta Times with blocking schemes. It could run the ball north and south so they they had to throw the ball and he was out getting players like Ken Anderson from August. Anna when there's all kinds of other players from from Ohio State Penn State That were taken and later in that. Paul Brown didn't understand those things thought. Gosh this is my team. If I'M GONNA hand this thing off you know I'm still traditionalist and I want to see the bengals via traditional. Oh Scheme was a jealousy on Paul's part for aid that maybe your dad would have more success than he did. You know I think that played into it a certain degree But again I think my dad's style you know. He was so ahead of his time. You know and and Steve James in the CO author of the Book and I we sat down and thought you know what. What's a good analogy that we can use when we go to to to To market this thing and and really what we came up with he took the NFL from checkers to chest. You know and that was his. He was cerebral. You know he was no longer a coach that that would allow players to have water and any. Gosh I didn't see a play. We're all GONNA run laps. You know he was the furthest thing from that you know. He knew players comfort levels and he was looking at the most out of players on any given day. Hey and that was his philosophy again that that went against the norms. One of the things I often wondered about and I never had a chance to talk to him about this. When he decided to take the Stanford? Job Nineteen seventy seven. I wondered what he did ego wise that would allow him to take that. And I'm wondering whether if it had been any of the school but Stanford because of the academic make relationship and knowing how cerebral as you pointed out your dad is. I wonder whether he would have been as comfortable about taking coaching job stepping back. Not Getting that. NFL fell opportunity since the NFL was primarily aside from the early days where he had kind of you know been as far as coaching. Ron Understand. Remember you know. My Dad's ego didn't didn't get big till after the super bowl any any head. Coaching job was gone but he had a drive. He did have a drive. But you felt you know. Hey you know what if I'm in charge then. I can showcase my abilities in in if I'm going to be at Stanford for ten years from going to be there for three years. It doesn't matter. I'm going to be able to showcase what I can do and he would get so involved in coaching. He was such a great teacher that you know He. He wanted to keep doing it. It was his hobby it was his passion and it was his profession one of the things that made him so so successful weight is an ice. Recognize this very early in his career at Stanford was he always dictated the tempo of the game he went up against teams. That were were superior when it came to athletic talent but he always knew how to find their weakness and I thought that would being at Stanford where you had academically oriented oriented athletes who were also students as well. He felt that he could take complicated things that maybe just pure athletes could not understand and apply. Am I correct officers on your you know I think a lot of it what it is and this is kind of an a military analogy. Also you have to have buying. You guys have to believe in what you're trying to do and at Stanford. That was the perfect environment. Because the guys could see what we're GONNA do. You know we're GonNa Start Practice on Monday we're playing. USC WE'RE GOING TO SAY LOOK UCLA UCLA USC th. They're a better team. They weren't then we are. They've got better athletes that their coaches have been around long. How are we going to beat these guys? We're we're going to have to create approach and you guys have to believe in it. And then they over the week the course of practice they would install things. This is how we're GONNA do it guys because they do this. We're going to do this. And then you get a buy in so they they start that game thinking. Hey we're equal where you know instead of we gotta get lucky guys to win this thing and that was really one of his approaches and when you look at the place that he would script the players all new the plays going into the locker room before the first play of the game was in college and this was in the NFL. And guys. We're GONNA do this and see how they react. And and if they react this way we're going to change it and we're GonNa do this and it was complicated. You know again if you've got the guys to buy into it. You could make changes in their readily acceptable. What did he enjoy most about coaching college football? This guy is the attitude. I mean there was there weren't any egos The guys played for the love of the game. You know they they really did and they still do you know and and there's enough guys in the NFL. It's still play that way. Also that it wasn't anything about the money A lot of them The only way they were going to go to college on a scholarship so they were so happy in their families. Were happy families really wanted them to succeed. You Know My dad's spent a lot of time on the phone with parents talking to about their sons. You know how they're doing in school and it's important for the parents to to call and check in and He he just loved the enthusiasm and and they're really the effect that the kids wanted to learn. They were learning environment and they came to the football practice. Like they're going to chemistry. They wanted to learn something and they wanted to apply it. Greg Walsh is with us in the studio and only come back on the other side. We're GONNA talk about this book that he has co-authored call. The score takes care of itself my philosophy of leadership we do that as we continue across the country and around the world on sports byline. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. But you have the time or the ability ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or head a life experience that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. 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If you'd like to check out this book look I recommend it to score. Takes Care of itself my philosophy of leadership about his dad. The late Bill Walsh. Why did you write this book? You know what Somebody had to put would it down you know I was. I was heartbroken When my father passed away I took Six months off my my career to be with my father to take him to his trip treatments it was a it was an agonizing process for he because he knew this was it. I knew this was it. And somehow he and I had to make small talk. At the beginning I would take him into his treatments at Stanford and what was actually keeping him alive was transfusions And here was a man that had really relied lied on himself. Only and now he was being kept alive through a process. Now it was difficult for him. I was fortunate and unfortunate to sit down and plan service step by step with them. I mean he told me who he wanted to be there and what we wanted to talk about and the venue and and right down to the color of the flowers and I executed his plan. One of the things that I came away with because I had lunch with him one of his former players Spencer. Tillman flew off from Houston. I picked Spencer up at the airport and we had at lunch just off the Stanford campus and it was probably about two two and a half months before he passed away and we talked about old times and I can see how proud he was of Spencer but I also felt that the whole experience he went through toward the end of his life. Humanized him in a way that I don't think any anything else could've because he got close he opened up. He showed his emotions to people that he really cared for. But I don't think he felt he could show them those emotions when he was alive. And especially when any was coach Mike Correct. Oh very much. So Ron His style motivation was simple. He demanded more than you're willing to offer. And this is where he got into a rubbed love with a number of players on the team that weren't used to being motivated this way. I can talk about Ronnie Lott. He and I are good buddies these days and and do all stars helping kids in New York and it's a fabulous program mm-hmm that that Ronnie has but I'm not saying my father pressed his buttons but my father demanded more from Ronnie Irani thought that he was already in fifth gear and my dad wanted six gear Any pushed him toward it and Ronnie achieved it Ronnie was was Grateful to my father at the end and we talk about this in the book that you know no one's ever gonNA come back to you after your career and say got you know you. Thanks for taking it easy on me. You know it you know. My father. Father had a unique ability to to motivate people And get the most out of them and that's not being the friend. Let's be honest. I thought Joe Montana made an interesting comment in the forward in the book. And I'm just going to quote from and he says his mind for technical. Football was extraordinary but beyond that is ability to organize manage his staff players everybody to get the whole organization Xavier on exactly the same page and I thought that that's unique. That's an awfully difficult thing to do when you have different personalities different agendas different abilities as well. How was your data able to do that? Well we talked about in the book again. You've got to get out and read this thing. it was all about hiring the right people from the beginning. You know and we go back. Ed Debartolo we talk about him in the book He gave my dad enough latitude to hire the right people. And so he wasn't stocked with the process. You need see a lot of NFL teams a lot out of Professional sports organizations even in college that that they're put together crazily. The head. Coach is hired second than the defensive coordinator is higher from somebody else. You get a general manager under somebody else's hired and these people never knew each other six months ago but now they're supposed to win a super bowl. I in my dad was fortunate enough to get the right people that thought the way he thought and he had would work with these people before and knew that they would either buy into his his methods or could learn how to buy into his methods. We're one of the other things Joe said in the book and in the forward. OJ found found fascinating. He taught us to hate mistakes. And and I'm wondering how he did that he could yell and he could get upset and could be very pointed and I know he had a great sense of humor humor but when you have a standard and you want everybody else to live up to it how it must driven him crazy sometime well it went past stink up stink guy was level one and and we were probably operating at level eight It was just pure coldness. I mean it was turn your back. I mean when you made a mistake you know you certainly knew you made a mistake and and all you can do is learn from those mistakes and mistakes weren't tolerated. I mean really shot for excellence and if they just missed excellence than they were pretty damn good. You know some teams. Just shoot for completing the past turning field and running ten yards you know. The forty niners went when we pass that Rust Frances Hacksaw Reynolds and you're smiling. Because you know what I'm talking about. As far as personality there were guys that are on the other side of the moon and here is a man. That's on the other side who cerebral doesn't like mistakes. How how did you deal with the individuality that he had to deal with the get everybody on the same page? It's all about by and and and it starts in training camp. You know again you know I think. A lot of the forty niners successes asses really started when they were up in Rockland Rockland California. It was a hot area located in the foothills. It getting those little valleys it get warm. It'd be a hundred and ten degrees outside. And then they'd be put on Stinky sweaty wet pads and And you look around and and you wondered who would be with us at the end you know it was. It was tough who is training and and when you finally got to the air conditioned locker room in Santa Clara California and you had a beautiful oak locker and yet guys handing Italian new. That you've been through something to get to this. Even before you played your first game. You'd had had climbed huge mountain and you had made the San Francisco Forty niners now. You know you just have the team. All practices in their facilities guys are coming out. You're bringing portable lockers in and there's a pecking order. who gets the shower so now I think it all starts in training? You know guys have to be able to bond together early on and goes through something before they can become something the other thing about him that I was a dichotomy and that a lot of people did not expect and I think this is important in business as well. is the fact that he had a sense of humor and it usually came out at a time. He did not expect it. I mean there's a story in this book about what he did with the coaches in what he made the coaches do because he wasn't happy or he didn't WanNa see his his players go on road trips. Not Looking a certain way. Tell the story so he he came in. He got the coaches and they got together. You know the things slowly but surely degradate down starts with one guy wearing a pair of high heeled boots and it starts with a guy wearing bell bottoms. And it's got a pook chain on and then the guy was floppy lobue hat and pretty soon the whole damn teams are not do each other so he came in and got the coaches they were a bunch of outfits. They one guy came in tights when I was in a all crazy outfits and they just showed up can and walked into a meeting wearing these crazy close and the obviously the team new. Exactly were the coaches were coming from As far as dress and all my dad really you had to say was clean it up and the next day you know you guys wearing more traditional closing rather have to travel. I always thought that everything he did. In life whether it be on the football field or even Outside of it he did with measure meaning that he thought about it before he actually did it in my correct. Oh Yeah I mean it was very very well thought out I mean he was the gatekeeper. It was up to him to to think of the Minutia and then pass that minutia on to to be solved. The problems And that's how he he really ruled. You know the head coach. I mean honestly ruled but everybody looked to to to bill. I mean that was my fault. They look to him bill. How are we gonNA win this thing? Give us our marching orders and Then he would come up with something and there was a vetting process. My Dad wasn't the person that wouldn't listen. You Buddy you know it was tough you had to really build a case but if you had a better way to do it he he was he listened to you. I often wonder how leaders and bill being a leader deal with self doubt because it's pretty well known that in those early days of the forty niners team that was doing fourteen. He just what the hell have I done. What have I taken over? And Dick Vermeil his his very very good friend I heard the story from NORV. Turner the When Dick was at Philadelphia That Dick would be getting ready to go into his team meetings with the Eagles and he'd be about twenty minutes late because he was on the phone with built and what the heck happened. What am I doing here? How do I get over this? As far as leadership goes in your data and particularly you know how to leaders deal with self doubt. Well you know no no leader Hashed out of an egg. Some guys think they're leaders because they were all stateful backs or something or they went to Annapolis or they went to some of the other schools. But it's not the case as you have to be a leader. You have to learn through experience. You have to have failed to become a leader you have to learn from your mistakes and everywhere. My Dad was he. He learned he learned from. I'm from SID Gillman. He he learned from Tommy Pro. Tro Heck Paul Brown. I mean he worked Al Davis. I remember when my father was coaching for. Al Davis Our would be at home in and he would call the facility and say okay coaches now you can go home and it'd be ten o'clock at night and my father learned from that that that's not what you do to. Your coach is nothing against against the Organization of the raiders. But but he learned. That's not what you do. So when it came to making decision and self doubt you have to go with your gut and it has to be calculated. You know you have to take the mystery out of your decision you know and that is a vetting process that goes through preparation. You Hatch prepare to the point that the decision you make is going to be the right one because this. This is why you're in this chair doing this job and you've looked at all the facts. We got about twenty seconds before we have to break. Your Dad was a military historian. Wasn't he loved reading about tactics. And every what he hayes as was as well and I was surprised when I found that out about it he was. You know and it wasn't that he wanted to know the battles with other types of weapons or what was going on with the weather conditions on a battlefield. He wanted to know the bond that kept men together and why men would fight for each other. This is the glue that he was looking forward to build these teams and by reading these books and it really started with the civil war. Gettysburg can remember kind of a sidebar. We went to toured the battlefield to the civil war and my father was a tour guide. People Start Following on morality he was telling My brother my sister and I at Gettysburg Pickett's charge and he was acting like people started coming over and they were following our family around as my dad. Dad was was being a tutorial on the on Pickett's charge so he loves the theory of of when did commanders breakdown and why and then. When did the men Dan pick it up by their bootstraps and continue the fight? These are the elements that he was. After as I said at the very beginning I found Bill Walsh to be one of the most interesting and fascinating people that I've ever renown in life and sports as well. We'll take a quick break here. Continue with Craig Walsh. The son of Bill Walsh's we continue on sports byline. Hey travelers do you want to save money on your next flight. Then pick up the phone and call. That's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares. 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And this is America Sports Talk Show Sports Byline USA. Here's Ron Bar Greg. Walsh is with us on sports. byline in the name of this book. it's a book about his dad. Bill Walsh to score takes care of itself my philosophy loss of of leadership. Do you want people to take away from this book My father was a complex man driven. I mean he was driven and he was extremely loyal. You know now and the book again is really a trial and error of his life going back to when he first started coaching and the dry that he had and the the belief that he had had and other people to succeed which kept him. Marching along Really there there's parts of it that that that are very very very tough for me to write right just because it was my father's history and I had to relive it. You know moving from Cincinnati and not getting certain jobs and and not succeeding in the the press being being very very critical of somebody and these are things that that That is made his drive more intense. What was the hardest part of for you to write? You know just the end you know. I wrote that the last part of the book I put that Together about You know our relationship and him passing away and and the things that he told me and it was tough. I mean you know it's inevitable double that we all pass away I got to see it firsthand from my father looking in the eyes and him passing away and in in that stuff you never forget. Was it hard for you to accept the fact that it took him to get into this type of condition before he could finally open up. The way opened up to you very much so I I learned from my father the last eight months of his life than I had in the first forty forty. Five years You know he was a person that could only related a certain level and when I was a young child in high school I say child in high school. I don't say young adult well We had a tough time relating. You know I might have crashed a few cars like all kids. Do WanNa come home late. There might have been a window left open in the middle of the night and nobody in the room but he found a way to to to make me Feel or know that that wasn't right and then later on in life. You know the lessons that he taught me in those days you know were very very sound and in those are the values in which I raise my kids. I want to share with you a personal story and I've got lots of them like most people that were close to him over the years. I always found a sense of humor to be very very unique and of course When he was at Stanford I was doing the play by play. But we did a highlight show and we would pull out the highlights and do the production of those thing about two o'clock in the morning so we come back from road trip and then we call him. When the highlights were picked out he'd come down groggy Of course probably had one or two glasses of wine before he finally was able to does off and we woke him up and he'd come down and we do it well. He had a wonderful game plan against USC and he showed it to me. Shared it with me it. It was a passing game plan. And this one I thought was going to really work. He comes out of the huddle down the coliseum. And it's raining. And if you remember correctly the final score that game was Trojans forty-nine Stanford Zero and it was so bad greg that traveler which is the mascot the horace for USC they had to stop. Stop him running because every time. USC scored he'd run around the track. He got so tired. That the poor horse was gonNA fall over so highlights forty-nine nothing we couldn't be could hardly hardly find anything right but we call him. He comes down and we started doing it. And I'm doing the play by play to it Stanford Ball I intent on their own twenty yard line hand off to Smith runs around the right side dropped for a six yard loss. Bill would jump in says comes from a good family I would say then Stanford on defense now. Here's USC. Hand off to Brian. Brian over the right side. Five ten fifteen twenty five yards hall down from from behind kid does well in in the classroom. Well Ron those are great antidotes. And I'll tell you what I was. A young boy is one. That's actually pretty good with this. All came from a little known fact. My father was actually the head coach of the San Jose Apaches which was a a Semipro team and it was a very very competitive semi pro elite and it was a lot of the players. Were were great college players. That just couldn't break into the NFL and It was San Jose's team. I don't know if you remember that get patches and He used to be a part of being the head coach would he'd he'd do a show a TV show. It was a channel eleven and it was right next to that Rainbow Bakeries. I remember as a kid driving in that he could smell. The bread had been bacon. He'd smell that smell just curse because he knew that pretty soon he's going to have to do a show you know and then they might lost So I'm sitting there. I might have been seven in years old and and The sports person puts up a clip. And it's a play. The Sanitation Pashas end the clip switches over. And it's a it's a old west movie the cowboys and Indians and it's being shown out to the public might as well. The cowboys are doing pretty well here and let all the Indians are coming making a great counter attack you you know and it was. It was funny. The whole studio stopped at that point but he had a sense of humor. Even even in these jobs like being the head coach of the San Jose Apaches and I remember one funny funny story and then you might remember this one ron when the players in Rocklin at the forty niners were sneaking out and going to a bar and In downtown Rockland it was kind of a cowboy bar and the coaches knew it and he kept warning. The players SOP it. We know you guys were sneaking out. It wasn't it was a handful a guy. Let's be honest. It wasn't the whole team. So he and Bob mckittrick and a couple others dressed up like old man. They had a makeup artists. Come in they put on beers they put on hat and they put on old floppy shirts and they sat at the bar and sure enough. An hour later here comes a couple of players. We won't mention mentioned in and they sat down right next to him and they're drinking. They're having their sodas and and also they start talking about how the forty niners are GonNa do next year and who's this coach Wall Street kept here in Nevada and he had no idea. It was part of the four hundred coaching staff until they finally took off their beards. But use the kind of things that they did to lighten it up and make. This is team more between well. Everybody remembers what happened that First Super Bowl of course up in Detroit when your dad goes in a day early because he had to press obligations and then when the team bus finally rolls into the hotel L. in Detroit he's there as a bellhop grabbing. Joe Montana's backs right mentioned that in the book the whole story behind that and even the smell of the outfit that hadn't been wash is probably in two or three years that he put on you mentioned about failures than I often wondered how he dealt with them because I thought he internalized him more than he should have to be honest with you. I don't think he gave them up very easily and then moved on to the next thing. How how did he deal with failure in those early days it was tough? I mean When when he was at the chargers the heat inherited a horrible program there and turned it around and they instantly were a team? Like that I think at that point was I think there were six and six even back in those days But with the forty niners it was tough at the team was in such disarray. I mean from the Front Office to the to the stadium to the to the players it was was just upside down into it was tough to get the wheels turning in the press at the time. you know wanted instant success. They thought a head coach comes in and through a number number of PEP talks into a number of of key player. Acquisitions that the team turns around and they also beat the The Dallas cowboys on Sunday night wasn't how it was and and it I it took him tough. But but even harder on is when in the forty niners started to win and even Stanford when they started to have great successes that you were you were supposed to win in and if you won it was it was it was neutral and if you lost it was horrible. So they weren't taking away. Any greatness wins. It just became the point that any he lost became devastating and it was a terrible toll because the forty nine organization himself had built such expectations. After win. Those super bowls. There was nowhere where to go but up and then eventually there's nowhere to go but down. I always thought the most difficult time in Your Dad's coaching career with the forty niners was the season as an after the first super bowl championship win because He said to me as we were walking off the field Afterwards once he said I had a five year plan and of course we know they all one one in three years and then the following year that team just self-destructed. There was coq problems on the team. It was a strike shortened year afterwards. Your Dad walking across the field down on Down south of the city here said to me. They can't even kick a damn field goal when they got eliminated from the playoffs there. He almost at that. Time resigned and I decided to go in a different direction. was that the low point in his life. It was. You know it really was the low point and then strike season here he is. He's finally put together a Juggernaut and and also the players and the management can agree on contracts and they go out on strike and it cutting him down it really in his prime of coaching and it was very very difficult now he had to to Play the game you know and a lot of that was media driven that they had the heck that they're still playing games. There was a television contract and here guys that were you know waiters and busboys two weeks go and now you're in a huddle And my dad had a real difficult time trying to figure that part of this a football out and how how this could happen in our management and the players that get to this point I will also tell you the one of the little nuances of bill during the strike Period when there was a replacement players he never wore a headset on the sideline and I often wondered why I asked you about that and he said because I don't want my players who are watching this game to think I'm part of this. I mean that's how sensitive he he was to the whole situation. Let me ask you about his relationship with Eddie debartolo because you say in the book my father would want to acknowledge thank Eddy debartolo junior the only owner who had the foresight and courage to give Bill Walsh chance to be a head coach in the NFL. It was a I guess the word I'm looking for his curial relationship view. Have a better word for it. I don't like anything else I mean you know you have a relationship with your divisional commanders. You know they may not you know. We're the combat infantry badge but they're certainly going to tell you how to fight a war Same with ownership in the NFL professional sports. I mean you have to have money behind franchises. And that's part of the game The relationship that that Barlow had with my father was that he gave them enough control that my father could build something and maintain it. It's human nature to want to come in and tweak things Maybe my father had questions regarding the business aspect of the forty niners that may be infringed on Barlow's territory. But this is the EBB and flow. That you have with ownership I mean very seldom are their owners in the NFL. Any professional sports even let directors in college head coaches or or college administrators. That there's going to be a rub. I mean there's going to be the expectations. Developing you know aren't going to be the same. I mean you know the Barlow. He thought winning a super bowl is easy. All you gotTA DO IS I. Sign the checks. You coach the team. How can we don't have another ring? You know an easier user expectations and my father father you know part of his skill set was he just didn't have a way that that he can pacify debartolo. Did you ever regret that. He did Retire when he did after ten years because the team under George Siefert team that he had put together went on to win two additional super bowls. No not at all Ron. You know and I had this conversation. You know with Jerry Jerry. Rice a while back My father would call players into his office and tell them their careers were over and he did it to Joe Montana. He did it to Steve Young Jerry Rice Ronnie Lotte. The list goes on and on and on how could he in all honesty if telling these great man. These great players hall of fame players that their career was over when he knew deep down inside his career is over. That's why he stepped down at the top because he had told these guys. Hey this is how champions doing but we only have a a couple minutes left. But I'm just wondering if his legacy is really more of one not of the Games that he won the championships that he won probably the organization he built but also the lives abs of the men that were in that organization correct. Oh yeah man he lived for those guys. I mean. Each one of them was very special to me. I mean he had loyalty. I mean if you look at that coaching staff staff even at Stanford you know even at the forty niners even that sounds patchy so you know he had loyalty and he believes in his guys and they knew that the that bill had their back. And that's why you didn't see a lot of change. All those guys are the forty niners. Were were there for multiple years and I think that's that's one of the issues in the NFL. Oh now I mean if you if you look at Jeff Fisher's organization being the head coach for that long it always successful teams because there's continuity guy show up to practice. They know exactly what the focus I saw. There's no distractions not a new scheme. New Terminology New guy that certain coaches little nuances bug coaches is there a particular moment home at that crystallized in your mind whether it be personal or when he was a coach or anything that I know this is a hard question that you'll never forget that really for you personally kind CAPSULIZE is your dad to you. Well you know it was when when you know th this is some some good trivia and there's a lot of football people out that were remember this games when the forty niners played the bengals back at Riverfront and Sam Weiss who was my father's quarterback when he was offensive coordinator at the Bengals and they were we're good chums and Sam had now become the head coach of the Bengals They were to meet again Later but Salmon had a chance to to put the game away and he instead of putting the ball. He thought he'd run around back there and take time off the clock giving the forty niners one more shot at it They had ah play especially for this circumstance with Jerry Rice and SAM To this day regrets that that that call and the forty niners at odds on the road beat the Cincinnati Bengals and I was at that game And I saw the jubilee in my father because he was was at the stadium where he had been not been denied being the head coach in front of all those fans that years ago cheering forum. were now cheering against him. And the forty niners won that game and for him. We talked about this and he chuckled to me still chuckles. After all these years before he passed away about that game. I WanNa thank you very much for coming in and sharing your memories about your dad. I mean as I said for thirty years he was my friend but also for thirty years. You've been my friend. Elizabeth has been my friend in your late brother. Steve who I mentored a little bit in the broadcasting profession was my friend and also your mother who is a very special woman I am so oh glad you wrote this book to give people better insight and better understanding a very complex man but also a very interesting and very successful man. Thank you very much Craig for coming in. Thank thank you Ron Greg Walsh with us on sports byline and again I want you to check out this book because it's a fascinating book. It's written with Steve Jameson. And it's called the score takes care of itself. My philosophy of leadership as bill. Walsh was an extraordinary man. We'll take a break. Continue with more of you and sports byline rebuild or replace transmission thirty two hundred dollars and I looked brake system a thousand dollars to build a replace engine. Twenty four hundred dollars to this once your manufacturer's warranty runs out. It's all on you. 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My philosophy of leadership as I said bill was a friend of mine I was down at Stanford when he was there as the head football coach the first time and I was always fascinated by his ability to dictate the tempo of the game even two teams that had much better talent. So it's nice to read Greg's a book about his dad also. I hope you'll check out the award winning sports byline. USA website remember. You can listen to US anytime online. All you have to do is go to sports BYLINE DOT COM. And if you'd like to have this show or any of the show on the sports byline network I'd cast until you very easy to do. Just do it off the website. I'm Ron bar take care. We'll be talking to you on America's sports talk show. Hi this is Rick Tidwell tune in every Sunday night at nine. PM Pacific Time for the Video Game Review Will Review Games. We'll give away a brand new game. We'll talk cheat codes new releases and your calls as well. That's right here. 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Ain't GonNa Light The candle. Thanks for clarifying Rick. If viewer driver there's no other way to say you deserve discounts with Snapshot Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates Snapshot Not Available in California North Carolina or from all agents. This is America's sports talk show sports byline. USA here's Ron Bar Bill. Lenzi joins us on sports byline. He played in the National Hockey League for Thirteen seasons with I count six teams bill. Is that right. Yeah that's right with a with a stop in Florida a couple of times six teams. I think that's correct. What does that say about your career? Well it was good enough to hang around and there was times. Is I guess that that I was wanted at some I worked hard at it and I was able to get by but you know the great players are able to stay with one or two teams for other career so by no means I was. I was great. I was a journeyman. I guess I guess that's the best way to describe it. When did you learn what you could do in the National Hockey League? What type of service you could provide a team really took a baby two or three years obviously a lot of us that come out of the junior ranks? We know that we're scores when we when we're in junior hockey but when you get to the National Hockey League to be the elite score you have to be premier talent and I wasn't that I scored a lot of the junior level but I learned if I got to NHL. I wanted to run around. Bang some bodies as in get out there. Maybe fight a little bit and play a defensive role. I would be able to play hopefully a long time and I was taught that by Roger Neilson was probably my best coach and I understood what it was to be a role player and I just tried to develop that the best that I couldn't once I was able to find that niche so I was able to find some homes on some vodka teams I talked to an NBA coach. Coach wants bill and I asked him I said why did the play ground legends. The guys that can really light it up never make it into pro basketball and he says because they don't know how to play system basketball how would you find in the NBA. Can the same thing be said about the young hockey players. Light it up at the junior level or in the minor leagues. But then just don't seem to make it at the top level level. Yeah you really do. I mean the really thing that you have to recognize whether it's in the NBA or the NHL that the premier talent is really separated from the rest. I mean there is some guys that are extremely extremely talented and those are the guys that are paid. The big money in that are the stars. Everyone has talent to some degree. But when you get into the higher levels if you're not going to be able to do that upper echelon the the easiest way to survive for me in the National Hockey League is so if you WanNa go out and do stuff that maybe other people don't want to do If you WANNA hit and fight and you can score a little bit you can add that that extra little punchy you can provide a little bit of offense. You can find yourselves plan win hockey for a long long time. And that's sort of what I was able to do. But you just have to understand Maybe you're not going to be the star and you have to accept it. I'M GONNA draw baseball baseball analogy here and tell me if I'm right about it. And that is the fact that teams. When they're built in baseball? It depends sometimes teams that have speed other times. They're defensive teams other times. TMZ is built on. Pitching is the same thing The case in the National Hockey League teams have distinctive playing personalities. Yes teams have identities and roles every player has a role. And I think that's what I mean. If everyone was scorned you wanted to fill your lineup throughout the teams wouldn't work that good because you need guys that are able to fight some guys that are able to be able to check and then there's teams with specific identities. I mean ones that really stand out to me. The New Jersey devils without that system that defensive system from the Detroit Red Wings a puck possession team and those teams seem to draft players that are gonNA come in and fit that role So when you get to the National Hockey League or whatever team you're you're on here's sort of built around. Maybe the identity of that team as a player. You have to discover your identity and where you're GONNA fit in you know you brought up a very good point point you brought up New Jersey and also Detroit to organizations that consistently year in year out are successful. There are other teams of course that year in and year out are not successful. What's what's the difference between the two organizations what is one doing right and the other doing wrong stability you get a you get a team of some stability in that has one? I think once you find that for something that's going to work and something that is going to enable your club to win and I think it takes a lot of work from the higher up. What you're drafting in has to be really good? You have to find players fit your system and you have to stick to it and the teams. That aren't winning. I guess it's like being a player to are on a team when the team's teams are winning it always making trades that are always looking to find answers. And that's where you see the turmoil never find that identity so I think the biggest thing is They've found a system that works and they were able to go out and find the players to put in there. I mean Detroit. You could take Henrik Zetterberg Pavel Datsyuk. These guys are both picked I think one seventieth was one in two hundred tenth in the draft which is really amazing. So I think they're able to get out there and find players to fit their systems in able to execute cute it one of the other things that I found to be consistent with successful franchises is that there's stability brought about from leadership in the in the locker room and I think that's what those those two franchises I talked about. I think what happens. Is that a player. Whether it be a veteran player or young player that comes in to those teams. You know the team then says this. This is the way we do it here and everybody kind of conforms to it. Am I correct in that observation. I think you're correct One hundred percent show you you talking about you know. Being able. Although draw. Comparisons the New England patriots are sort of that in the national football league. They've gotTA system they bring in you fall in line and you do the job or or you're not gonNA come be part of our the system. I mean Randy. Moss was able to go in there was a troubled guy and he had to fall in line and become a member of the New England Patriots. Lou Lamoriello the General Manager of the New Jersey devils will lot accept anything but what is his system and he has players in place that have been there long time back in the day with Scott Stevens John Maclean. Now it's guys like Patrick. Elliot's and these type of players and you go in there and you have to do what's asked of you. You're not going to be part of the team. Let me take you back to the mid nineties with the panthers when you were playing with with them. They make it to the National Hockey League's Stanley Cup finals before eventually losing to Colorado hockey like down in south Florida because a lot of people did not. I think it was going to succeed because it was a warm weather. Climate and the people down there even though they they came from a different part of the country. Maybe they knew hockey it. It just was not going to be the atmosphere atmosphere for its success. What was it like back the during those days bill with fun way when we got off and we started down in Florida we were excited Getting to wear shorts every day and it was new down there and we had a lot of success that arena that we played in the old Miami arena held only maybe just a tad over fifteen thousand people and we were able to sell it out almost most every game and there was a there was a buzz in the city and they've worked quite well and obviously the panthers have had some tough times here over the last four or five years. But I think there's definitely the market for it down there and from a player's standpoint. It depends I. I was able to plan places like Montreal in Florida and I think both had that are advantages from the player standpoint. It was nice to be in a market like Montreal that you know breathe and sleep hockey and on the other side when you went down to southern Florida and you had that Nice weather and plan plane down there. In the sunshine your body felt good. It was also a lot of fun but if they win they'll be able to find a way back in they just have to. As we talked about get some consistency how knowledgeable eligible where the Florida fans about hockey average. I would say average at bats. They had their moments. But that was part of the beauty of it You you learn the learning the game and I mean they were. I'm bumptious. They liked the flights. I think that was the big part of it but I think in general when it started was very average was it about about the same in Atlanta with the thrashers. Well since they were a new franchise relatively speaking Ye- down and it's not I mean it's a foreign foreign thing hockey when you it starts up down there but they were able Down in Florida the good thing. Yeah Lot of New Yorkers and a Lotta people from French Canada the you know snowbird down there and spent a lot out of time so you're able to get that part of the crowd but it was a learning curve I think in in all the new markets the antithesis of that of course is Montreal where the Canadians I mean. That's it's like playing in the Cathedral hockey is there. Also I guess a factor in which you're fearful that the fans will turn on you because they are so knowledgeable eligible. They've had so many great championship seasons. There is that a totally different environment for a player. Bill Yup built in pressure. There's nothing like it much at all and there's that I mean from a guy like me. A role players. The pressure's not as extreme. But if you're one of the big name guys and you go in there a lot of I mean which much is given much is expected expected and that sort of a philosophy that they live by Montreal. And you feel that you're in the papers every day and they expect expect to win and they know what's going on so I think from that standpoint from a player it's tough when you lose. There's no place tougher when you lose some somewhere like that but if you are able to win I don't think there's any place better because I mean you you have the keys to the city. If you're able to win like that and you'll be kicked out of the city if you don't win Europeans bring to the game skill. A majority already of skill Pot possession they've been able to adapt and change the game and they made it the best league in the world right. I mean before that We we now have the talent pool of all the world in the National Hockey League and everyone I mean with Russia the people are able to freely come and go now and be part of our be part of the NHL. And so. I think you have the best talent in the world and I think that's what makes it. I mean so good for one is a player. If you get in you know that you're you're truly playing against the best and They brought different dimensions to the game. That maybe we didn't how puck-handling stickhandling and we the Canadians and Americans always always been known as Feisty Group so I think you have a combination though we got about thirty seconds left but it was always said the knock on the Europeans was that they didn't like the physicality of the game has that that changed. It's starting to I think in some aspects they don't get they they get away from it and that always is not gonna be into their system but I think it it will never change completely but a lot of them they get over early some come over now and play junior hockey. The ones that played junior hockey or able to adapt much quicker than we're seeing more and more of that bill. I WanNa thank you very much for spending some time and talking little hockey with S I love talking about it and you bring such insight. Having played for thirteen seasons and of course doing a great job with the panthers on television. Thanks a lot bill. We'll check in with you down the road anytime. Thanks for having me right bill. Lenzi played thirteen seasons in the NHL. A couple of times the panthers and of course was part of the reason why they made it to the Stanley Cup finals back in the mid nineties. We'll take a break here. Come back on the other side as we continue across the country and around on the world with you on sports byline. It has been said that everyone has a book them. But you have the time or the ability to write at your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or head a life experience that you wanna pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you WANNA leave autobiography for your family family or maybe you built a successful business and you want to share your story at Dorrance Publishing Company. We have professional writers who can help. Turn your book idea into a finished. 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UNDRAFTED draft had to play on the CD A and overseas in France. Did you ever expect that you'd have a twelve year professional basketball career in the NBA. No I didn't think it would be twelve fears. I I was just happy to finally get my foot in the door and you know after three you got your pension so I was shooting for three. Honestly what was it that made it possible symbol for you to be able to play in the NBA as you reflect back on it. Now they more not being affected by your circumstances at that particular moment in life understanding that. It's not how you start but how you finish and and how you handle things along the way just because I wasn't drafted didn't mean I didn't have an opportunity you too to make this life made for myself an NBA and so understanding that more than anything else and and continuing to plug away plug away thinks that was how it all went for me wasn't any anything or anyone motivational speech that I heard it was just a matter of me wanting to be the best I could and and try right if I did try and fail. Well at least I can say I tried. I wouldn't WanNa live with myself if I did give myself that opportunity. You know as well as I do that a lot of people that come from your background background the hardships you had as a child dysfunctional family that you were in. When you were very young they would easily give up? Why didn't you because I learned early on on during a lot of those situations that life continues to go on? And that's something that I'm always telling people nowadays is that you can't be disturbed by whatever might take the place with you right now because live continues to go on. I got a little example for you today. We had a team building session at at our Salon is fine San Antonio and if we had an unfortunate situation. We're playing baseball on this little parking lot baseball. So it's nothing nothing real but we had a young lady who is is so wonderful to us as a great ace spirit. I mean our minds. She's just she's full of love. Well she took off running and she fell she split or is he just hit the deck like somebody hit her and when and she when that happened she said Bruce you know I shouldn't have been running. I shouldn't have been doing any of this stuff and and I felt bad because she saw the fun everyone was having and she wants to participate. But in that you know I still feel a little Heavy heart for her right now because you know it was such a tragic situation situation at a team building situation but something happened within that group. Everyone ran to her aid. Everyone was running and doing something for her so if if I couldn't have scripted anything better than what took place by what seems to be something that was to negate all the things we've been doing now my employees they ran to our aid. They helped her out and now she's still saying things like it was my my. Hey it happens but live continues on and so she calls me later. She's like Hey I'm GonNa be at work tomorrow. I'm going to go and do that because she understands. Live continues on. It doesn't stop for anyone unfortunately but it contains on where there's some people during the course of your childhood when things seemed to be hopeless that Dr kind of reached out to you and helped along the way as well well. I was very fortunate that I'm Sarah. And my big brother clan and my mom and dad that that came along later in my life because it allowed out me to see that things that necessarily go the way that that I thought but there are actually some genuine people out there that just want to see the right things take place in. Someone's one's life. That's something that we don't have a lot in today's society is People WanNa do the right thing because it's right to do. It's always well. What can I get out of this especially with young young athletes? My family didn't know that I was going to be when I am today. I know if they knew that that I would have been treated different than that famine. I probably wouldn't have seen a lot of things that I did see house. How would you have been treated different? I think it would have been more of. Hey you know what no that Brusco let Bruce go because one day he's GonNa take care of US instead it it was. You know I've heard everything from. You'RE NOT GONNA amount to anything you a quitter and all those types of iron one time on my call me quitting because I quit football. I didn't quit football because I'm a quit. I quit because people enjoy hidden. Little people like me. That just wasn't my cup of tea. When did you realize that you had to determine termine your own destiny? I think that was more or less around. Maybe four or five years of age and I know a lot of people say oh you don't remember anything Nisa place and you'd be surprised what got allows you to remember and and the type of inside he may give you on certain things and that that was the time where so you know. I knew that something just wasn't right and the way things were going for me I unfortunately you know my my biological mother was young when when she had me the same thing he was young and still run the streets and doing things like that and I don't fault them for that. I understand that you know some people have hardships hardships and they're not able to overcome those hardships. But by my biggest issue is when people tend to try to make an excuse for the things that have transpired when they were in control. Those things not about making excuses is about accepting responsibility of what you've done and moving from there. That's where I was going to next. You obviously Salihi understood at a very young age that you were not going to allow yourself to be a victim of my correct to the mall when I taught the kids or even young adults or other UH other corporations. I'm always saying don't be a victim of your circumstance because you don't have to be you know as I look at the kids today especially sports you have so many people that will pass the kid on because he's going to be in their mind quote unquote a NBA player or professional football player professional baseball baseball player. But what happens with these kids that are getting passed on then. I get an education and because they're not getting an education at some point that's going to hinder them so when when it comes to going to college they can't get in or they're not not passing their courses. These are the results of when people pass others on and allow them to think ain't that we live in a fairy tale. Land Bruce Bowen is with US twelve years in the NBA three NBA Championships. And we're talking about kids and also life in general we'll talk a little basketball the ball later on and about those championship teams but Brusca one thing. I've often wondered and you touched on a little bit earlier about if a parent knows or parents know that they have a very talented wanted athletic child on their hands and schools. No at they do get passed on and the disservice that they're doing there. What does that do to stunning them? As far as from a social title standpoint from an academic standpoint well I. I'll say this to you. Do you remember corleones young. Yes what do you think wholly owns doing right now. I don't know well that's not a question to try to be right on him but the question is legitimate. Lie Times out of ten when a kid goes for the NBA. It doesn't go to college. I mean he's not going to go back to college after that to say. Hey let me go get my education. Now he's going to go to what he's accustomed to being around the product of his environment. So that means maybe he might go to the streets or he might do something else. That isn't as profitable as him having education tation and doing something so here it is you do have a lot of parents. Unfortunately young parents who have not been educated and they don't see the need for education because because number one they weren't educated so they have an athlete in their family. They figured that athlete is GonNa take care of them or they can live vicariously through that athlete and live the life. They think that they're supposed to live. I've also heard the opposite side of that Bruce. A lot of kids that come from the inner city. Say That that when it's recognized that they have an athletic talent and they may be able to escape gate the inner city through that athletic talent that they're kind of protected by the community meaning some of the characters that maybe have gone the wrong way. Say Hey wait a minute. We're not GONNA screw up this kid. We're we're GONNA take care of him because he has a chance to get out of this. Is that the other side. Well you know. In some cases it can be but but more cases than not a lot of times when you have have those type of kids that that are looking up to some of those individuals. That didn't necessarily make it. It's always a situation in life where they have an opportunity to make the right the decision but they don't make that decision because they'd never had the example of someone else making that decision so and aspect of things they end up making the same mistake that the other person may so the cycle is continuously being revolved around the inner inner city and in a community of what's taken place. That's one of the biggest. The biggest reasons why I got my degree now from standpoint of people looking at me saying hey he's a he's a millionaire and this he doesn't need his education because he had basketball good ball. Yes I do need my education because I can't play basketball forever and I have the type of nieces and nephews that will say while Bruce you made it without going to college or without a college degree I can do it too. Well now I have more credibility to the things that I'm saying to a lot of young kids and to my family members as well as far as hey get your education because you needed needed to have something to fall back on after your sport. We have a minute before we have to break here. At what age did basketball come into your life. That's what came in early. It was about eight. It's seven or eight years old. I started playing a game but baseball was my first love. That's the best sport that I really love. That was baseball. And of course we know football was not your second second. One was something about the discipline of sports. Though that always stayed with you and has carried on in your life well absolutely really. You understand that being an athlete there are certain rules. You have to abide by back when I was coming when you're coast says question authority but then again the coaches have more of an interest and you being a productive citizen in this world than just. Hey you're going and be something big and and buy me a pair of shoes while you're at it so it was more of the respect that I have for the game and I was taught a lesson early on in baseball. I was drafted by this Babe Ruth team from literally and I didn't WanNa play for this particular coats. It was it was. It was Calvin Young Charles Brother. They're used to play for the forty niners and so I got two missing the sport and so my friend said. Hey we still need people come on out when I went out there he said. Hey Bruce I appreciate you common. I'll call you if I think we need you. That was the best thing that could have happened to me. At Twelve Years Old Bruce Bowen has joined us on the other side. We'll talk a little. NBA Basketball as we continue with more view and sports byline. Hey travelers do you want to save money on your your next flight. Then pick up the phone and call. That's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares. 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And how'd you get my cockpit. WAKEUP call people. The new track from wireless. Now Your in control available at major retailers see terms and conditions attract phone dot com. This is America's sports talk show sports byline. USA here's Rod bar join us on sports byline. One of the things I like about. Bruce is that he could talk about life as it actually is as well as talking basketball and certainly gently he can talk basketball after twelve very successful. NBA Seasons and three times NBA champion. As you were coming up and did you ever think you could play in the NBA. Va was that a goal of yours. Bruce it didn't become a goal until after my sophomore year in College One of my coaches egg origin. He he was an assistant he says you know saying you got a chance to make some money in this in this sport prior to that point I never even thought about professional sports. I always thought I wanted to come back. And do you some with kids and lack of boys and girls club or something like that but once once that seed was planted. You know I understood that I did have a talent it wasn't the best kind of but it wasn't a worse. I have room for improvement so as long as I was breathing I was able to contain asleep. Tried to improve on that talent. You know as well is I do with the exception of maybe. They're truly great talent that you can see of a kid coming out of college. It's a very subjective kind of profession and I'm just wondering when you were coming out. Did you expect to get drafted. And when you didn't what did that. Do to your confidence. Well I I really didn't expect it. I had heard that I might be a sleeper for but I hadn't even made any contact with any organizations or anything so that was a long as far as I was concerned for me to get drafted the per se but I would always hear about how they talked about the other guys. Gi Ryder uses hairs. Brian Russell bow out law and so it was. It was enough for me to say okay. Well if I have to continue to work to get better I have no problem with that because I think in the process of learning to get better under sometimes you do actually end up getting better and you have a whole other perspective on things and maybe if I was thrown in the limelight early on who knows how would have accepted it. Would I would I look at it as as something that was guys given or would I think I accomplished everything in my life. I had a conversation conversation with Chris. Mullin one time and he you know. He grew up on the playgrounds in New York and I said to him I said Hey Chris you know you played with a lot of great legends on the playground. Why didn't they make it into the NBA and professional basketball? He said something to me Bruce That was interesting. He said a lot of those kids had talent. But they didn't know how to play organizational basketball. They didn't no how to fit into the system. And I think that's a very true statement. What is the difference between somebody that makes it in somebody that didn't because you talked You mentioned some names of guys that were just bus in the NBA. Oh well see. That's the thing today. It's not about the complete package. The game is suffering for from a lot of different Different aspects where so many kids don't understand fundamentals of the game. That's why Europe is so much further ahead of us than it was before there used to be a time where we were ahead of Europe now is vice versa. As far as I'm concerned because they're playing team basketball we're playing more individual right exactly. Actually we take the kids. They can shoot threes. or Oh man he can dunk or he can. Only rebound. No I is. We're specialists now. And we're losing more and more the the complete basketball player there guys that that coming up that you remember in great on great teams that just. It didn't last because they weren't as fundamentally sound. But you look at a great player. Like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. People talk about how fundamentally sound they or they just talk about their talent and so here it is you have people trying to teach that talent instead of teaching the fundamentals you get the fundamentals then everything else comes this comes into play it will. It will be much more beneficial to the kids than what's going on today. What's your favorite memory about playing France meeting Tony Young? Hey Great for me because it allowed me to get better. I didn't have the the the the the desire as I did. Once I got over there I I really understood that it was serious. It was it was a lot more to it than just coming out. And just playing you have to you know. Put the time in an and that's something that they doing your you know. You have practice on Tuesdays and Thursday. We were pre practice twice a day and and in that that time appeal may say man so I think that's too much. No you go with fundamental things. You know dribbling through the cones jump shots jump shot you know pivots things like that. We're GONNA you put words so many guys that are extend today. Don't understand the importance of great footwork. You know I I look at Dwight. Howard now he's getting better at it but he has one of the best teachers and a gain teaching them in Patrick Ewing? You know there's a time where big man came into the League. That's what they did. They had great footwork and now big man come in they they want to shoot three pointers that that was something that that they could do. But because especially people like Robert Ory now. Everybody's for the next Robert Ory distress to defend. Let me take you back to France with this perspective. Add a friend of mine that played hockey and was forced to start his career over in Europe and played Hockey over in France. Dance and I said well. What was that like? After knowing what hockey's like in Canada and the United States he said well it was an eye-opener. He said the first time you know we went into a game. He said between periods we went an and I saw players smoking and drinking wine and eating cheese. He said I knew I was in a different atmosphere that that was typical thing in France. I mean we we'll come back into the arena and it would be full of smoke and nobody was saying. Hey can we stop this and it was just part of what they did and you can look at it in two different for way. Hey I really enjoy this or hey I really need to improve to get out of here. What about the crowds themselves because a friend of mine? That did play in Greece at Ron. I almost made as much much money from the coins. Thrown on the court and Grace Fade. Check it you know the crowds fantastic. It wasn't it was like playoff finals. Atmosphere over there for regular games and one gentleman told me this he said Bruce we work hard always so that we could celebrate and support our team on that weekend. And I think that's fantastic. It reminds me of the college spirit. March madness you know you have these kids point out there hard on the floor and you have yeah these alumnis abuses just supporting them because they WANNA tear their team on. Tell me about the March nineteen ninety-seven and year. NBA debut with Miami. I remember that day because a lot of times you have to warm up or work out before the Games begin and I said you know I may I I was talking to mark Strickland. I say I'm a warm after after I mean I'm GonNa do my workout after we play because just in case I get in. I don't WANNA be tired and mark lives me said get in and you're not getting an damn we just sat there listening and so low and behold we're playing Houston Rockets and I get in with like a minute and some change to go and you know I got a block shot that game but the thing that I remember most is Dan. Molly was chair me on any looks at mark strict and they said Ah. He's not getting in He's a young. I think he made the right decision. You had a reputation of being one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA. And I I remember talking one time with the late Dennis Johnson who was a great defender as well and he said to me Ron. He said playing defense is a mental approach. It's a mental attitude can can you explain a little bit further. What he was talking about Bruce well the mental aspect of the game is understanding that okay he may have made that shot right now but it was a difficult shot? He made You give him those difficult shots Five more times. Maybe he makes three more of them. And then you're on a downhill because it's all about your wheel. Can you enforce your will the possum body. Even though they made the shot. Will you continue to be there and put a hand up on each and every shot. I was watching some of the guys plan this year. Michael Compatriot's against Kobe and he was making. Kobe worked for a lot of his shots. But on one particular play called me went up to shoot and he didn't put a hand up and I said that is a no no because all he needs is one good look at a basket to get going and prior to that he had been struggling. Now you've allowed on him to get going so from that mental aspect of things. He rested on that particular play and he shouldn't have and and as you know the Lakers win the finals. I WANNA make uh-huh and observation here and if I'm wrong about please feel free to correct me but the spurs win three NBA Championships. And I would assume that not only winning an NBA championship in San San Antonio but repeating as they did was probably a little bit easier in San Antonio that it might have been in Chicago Los Angeles or New York just because of the media. Glare the the attention you get Everything that goes along with the major markets like that am I correct in that observation asked whether the correct but more than anything else a great leader in Gregg Popovich understanding. That is not about that so you know you think you're doing something. What about our our men in Iraq and Afghanistan? Those are the people that that that should stand up with their chest out because it landed on the line every single day to protect our freedom. But isn't it a little bit easier to get guys to buy into that. Say in San Antonio Joanie O.. Than maybe in New York where you know. The media's always saying everything necessarily the media per se is sometimes it has to do more with the nightlife true and and a Lotta Times in in in the big cities. You have something going on continuously you have people wanting to show you a good time and here is is. There's more of the the down home field. And Hey there's someone so from the Spurs how you doing and ask that it's not necessarily the same craze and blitz of what takes place in other the city's what was it that Greg did That consistently made you guys feel comfortable and got the most out of you on the floor. I think it's the respect he show for awesome. Let us know that he appreciated what we did. Night in and night out sometimes coaches Get get get a lot of success. And they tend Dan to turn it into the me factor. That's one thing that popped never did. He always talked about. Hey Timmy Timmy. Doing all right and it was a joke but at the same time. He's he's letting it be known that. Hey all I do is put these guys out there. They are the ones who execute the things that we prepare for. The other thing I sense that he did was that he gave you all an ego and an identity but it was one that was healthy. Not One that would hurt. The team and breaking apart I that one is is so so oh true he you know I find that I use his method with with business as far as getting guys together getting the your employees together going linked together allow them to have more respect for one another. And whether anything else if you don't WanNa do it for me before you came may fit next to you when you look at those three championship seasons that you were with the Spurs What is it the jumps out at you and each of those? Well the first one is just Kinda Kinda like wow look at what happened to luck on then the second one game seven you know more than anything else. It was the first files ago. Seven seven games is in quite some time and so I remember so much pressure. You're a net finals. Because I didn't WANNA lose at home. I didn't want to be here and walk in the streets then in people see me and I felt like I would've let our fans down here in San Antonio but the third one. That was something that that I have never been apart of. I mean being being able to sweep a team that is that is something that that it takes. It takes more mental preparation than anything else. Because a lot of times you have a leg letdown in game three so here it is game three. We came out with the same aggression as we did in game two and as well as game for so all of no matter different memories but I think that that game seven was the one that really stands out the most for me. You Know Bruce when I think about Teams like the Chicago Bulls You know you think of Scotty and you think of Michael and you think of the worm and then you think about the La Lakers and you think of Kobe and and maybe just just a couple of players and everybody else role players. But I don't think of that when I think about the San Antonio Spurs I think of really a full roster that contributed in some way. Am I correct that this was more of a team team. Effort total from one Say Seven or eight in the rotation then then maybe I think it's important that you have the right rotation guys in there in order to accomplish the goal like that. You're it is Steve Kerr. Everyone remembers him with the Bulls because he was into rotation able to knock. Downsized is a key moment so we understood that more than anything else. It's not about riding your horses per se but you do need a dominant Bagan his game in order to win championships and we're very fortunate to have. Tim Duncan down there in the middle taken care of we have about a minute left but when you think about what you got out of the game and what you gave to the Gema Can you address. Both you know I I am so happy at the game was able to to allow me to have a life that I have. I'm not talking about monetarily. I'm talking about getting an education in college seeing the world and also playing at the end the greatest LE- that there is as far as the NBA. And how about what you gave to the game gave it all I could. That was more than anything else that just wanted people to respect what I did and and understand probably wasn't the past a certain things but I gave one hundred ten percent. Is there one moment that is crystallized in your mind. You know just really burned into your memory burned into my memory. I think more just being able to play in this league you know I always make sure I understood that this was a privileged. Not In that was just guaranteed for me. Well I wanNA thank thank you very much not only for talking about basketball. But we're talking about life as well and the strong message that you send out the kids and I know that You Talk to kids about child L. Obesity and about getting fit with Bruce in buddy and these other programs that you have. I just want to compliment you and I'm looking forward to are staying in touch as we move forward and I hope you'll come with me on one of my trips to Iraq or Afghanistan take care of my friend already twelve outstanding seasons in the NBA. When it didn't look like you'd even get there but eight of the twelve with the Spurs and of course he won three NBA Championships? 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You have to pull the viewer through the story with your voice and and That's not easy to do. But it's something that I've I think I've learned to do in a way that that that enhances the writing previously rigorously. I would listen to some scripts I had written that I really loved the writing but the voice was so bad that I would be like. Oh Oh my God. I can't believe anybody listed the topics in which you've reported over the years include point shaving on the North Carolina State University Christie Basketball team the lack of black quarterbacks in the NFL the killing of show horses for insurance profit. The premature deaths many pro wrestlers. The Raisa is an unscrupulous player agents in college sports and the risks and realities of AIDS in sports. Now if you listen to those subjects and everything were you ever. We're fearful that you might become cynical about what you were recovering You know I it was interesting. I now when I talk about it I I said I you know for one way or another. I found myself to the ELLS and I I. It's racial social cultural financial You know all those kinds of things That are part and parcel of the world of sports parts and I've always been interested in issues and I'm actually quite grateful and not belittling anybody that's ever covered games on deadline for a living. Because it's just something that I'm not cut out for the L.'s. Have done They've done me well in my life and and I never got jaded about it. I was always fascinated by the changes in it because the racial aspect of At sports has changed over time. The sexual aspect of sports is changed over time You know the cultural cultural and in in all those aspects of sport have changed over time and I changed with them as I become You know wiser what's going on in more experienced in them and I. I've never really felt like I got boxed in or bored with it and had I been bored with it I I would have looked for something else but the fact of the matter is I've had so many different platforms between tween books whether it was raw recruits or whether it was money players or whether it was the system or whether it's now tiger woods or whether it's documentaries with The Sixty Tigers city on fire now with Lawrence Phillips or whether it's sideline reports which Dr Fifteen to twenty seconds long. But you're on the field and you're in the in the in the mass in the in the in the power of NFL game or whether it was you know right up through Sixty minutes piece where the standard is so high and every single word counts I've been really a blast with the Platform and the canvas to do pretty much. Anything I want right now. And that's a rarity in the world that I live in and even more of a rarity ron is is that I now work at places where you know. The budget is yes. It's a consideration but it's not the consideration and the opportunity to spend sometimes not just tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars on a story. is so rare and I'm really grateful for it. I remember the first book that I read read by. You is back in the nineties. It was money players days and nights inside the new NBA. And it was a book that I couldn't put down and I think it was the dynamic of talking about something technical but also putting it in a human vernacular that's not always easy to do and everything I've seen you do since then has fallen that Particular Path. Am I correct in that observation. Oh absolutely I think it's the hardest thing to do. Certainly in a book is to make it powerball to the leader and I. I've been lifelong lifelong reader. I read a probably a book a week and whether it's nonfiction or thrillers or I just was reading. You know doc money which is the tremendous Jane Mayer Book on the Coke Brothers Influence on politics And I study how people Construct a long form either a journalism or the books or even watching sixty minutes pieces. I it's like an archaeological dig big to try to figure out how people tell what they tell you know I just I just want to engage people you know. It's it's storytelling whether it's a fifteen second sideline reporter reporter at eighty six minute Lawrence Phillips documentary. You just want to gauge people. You WanNa come in with the reporting and hold them with the writing and and and and your voice and the storytelling worth. You're writing a book It's really it's really the reporting And I think money players was was a prime example of that it was an absolute autopsy of the NBA a under David Stern and the rise of the NBA. And the David Stern which truth be told he wasn't all that happy about you know the way. We portrayed his his rise. But you know. That's the way the chips fall. Sometimes you know it was the same way with raw recruits in the subculture of coating on the playgrounds and in the summer leagues and it's the same thing with Nebraska the same thing with the Lopez. Jorge Lopez autobiography. I wrote and same thing with Tiger Woods book. I'm working on right now reporting reporting is the You know in my DNA. It's the essence of what I do and You know the writing fouls that I learned that sports illustrated and It's it's it's been kind of my mind forever since we only have about a little bit over a minute left arm and I always like to ask people that when they reflect back on their life and their career. Is there a particular moment element. That's kind of ingrained in their mind when they think back about what they've seen and all that they've done wow Well I I think I just have to go back to You know what I I. It's so funny I go back to a moment I had when Arledge I. I've got a story one day late in the afternoon on a boxer that died you know some foreign land and I and they said were you do a story about it and I was through reporting and panic and all the other things that go into it we put together. It's really interesting story about a box. It was trying to lose weight lost a lot of weight it affected his brain got hit in the ring died in the ring. Let our broadcast and I stepped into the elevator on the way home and I opened the doors. And there's we're knowledge and I said he goes is say. Hello Mr Arledge said because Kami Room and they said Arman. What time did you get that story tonight and I said I got about two thirty and he goes does? That was a remarkable piece and to hear that from your knowledge. WHO's the one of the greatest television people of all time time and I could have flown home without You know without wings that night that that's the kind of stuff that I remember when you make somebody lunar arledge proud To me that speaks to the the skill set you have. And that's that's what I bring what I do now. And that I'm really proud of that one. I WanNa thank you arm and not only for what you've done professionally but for the way you present it in a way you've been in this profession you are welcome here anytime. Take care of my my friend. Armen contain with us again just an outstanding professional we continue with more of you and sports byline message and data rates may apply see Purple Dot Com for terms and conditions. Do you or someone you know sweat the bed. Do you ever wake up feeling like you've been sleeping on a slip and slide sweating. The bed is a serious but a common problem that affects your sleep health and happiness plus. It's just plain gross. 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HBO's Real Sports and now he can add executive producer on one of the best sports documentaries. Menories I've ever seen it's on showtime and it's called running for his life the Lawrence Phillips Story and it examines the epidemic and domestic violence that plagued one of America's because most talented and flawed athletes. This documentary let me tell. Everybody is a must see arm. And we know what happened with into Lawrence Phillips but we have a definitive definitive answer as to why it happened well Ron. I don't think it's definitive. Based on our reporting and in an examination nation of his life right down to the fact that he was abandoned by his father when he was three years old. I think it's pretty Important to appoint to the part of Lawrence's life when he moved to La with his mom and He was on the mean streets of L. A. With the bloods and the CRIPS. The late eighties in Los Angeles and at the age of eleven skipping sort through the fact that he grew up in a home and in Los Angeles where his his mother had one bad his boyfriend after another and there was physical abuse and verbal abuse and Including a time when one of the boyfriends friends urinated on Lawrence when he was a very young child at the age of eleven Because he had become a truant in the fifth grade Never really went to the fifth grade. He was put in a group home in Los Angeles in a particular group. Home call the McLaren homes. which was a house of horror and in documentary? I wrote a wine that said swallow childhood whole and that I think if you look at Lawrence's life and the abandonment issues and the rejection issues by his mom It really becomes a a fulcrum for a lot of the the violence that he perpetuated on women as his as his life move forward. I thought one of the strong lines in the documentary in that particular area it came from former Mclaren Hall Foster Child Andrew Bridge as he called that Children's group home produces long term psychological damage to children and I I think at that particular time in his life that might have been the thing that sent him down the wrong road correct and that. You're absolutely correct. I think if there's a if there was was a a breaking point for Lawrence It came in that in that group home when he was eleven years old he spent a year there and there were three hundred kids. There and Andrew Bridge was such a a great voice in our in our documentary because a he lived in the McLaren homes and had some very traumatic memories of living near and then he goes to Harvard law school and becomes a very prominent. A child advocate for people that are in those homes So he had an you very unique perspective and it's very for all of us that grew up with two parents and in in in normal lives. It's hard to understand what it's like to be basically given away by your mother there at the age of eleven become a ward of the state to be in a group home or foster home and then a group home and really have no anchor in your life in the anger and the resentment and the rejection how that plays out psychologically In a young man's life moving forward. That's a huge part of this documentary. One of the things I also came away with was everybody that was closely involved with Lawrence Really in the end felt that they could have done something more now. I know there was Tony Zane his coach at Baldwin Park in Los Angeles. There was also Barbara Thomas. The woman who rescued rescued him from state run foster care. There was Dick for meal with the Saint Louis Ballclub and of course Tom. Osborne was his head coach at Nebraska That sense of feeling they could do more. It was possible in this documentary. Absolutely I mean if you really found around one of the the rhythms in the threads and the the spine of the of the of the film is is that for as horrific as The domestic violence cases that and the salt that Lawrence perpetuated on women beginning in Nebraska There was another side to Lawrence. That was a a warm side of beloved side a very caring side that drew him to people whether it was strength coaches at Nebraska or Barb Thomas or Tina Mack who had the group homes or Towing Zane all these people that were Part and Parcel Russell of his life Tom Osborne Dick for meal. And that's where the economy was. It was like on one hand. He was very loving having a very intelligent individual. But on the other hand There were these demons in his life. That as we say he just could not outrun in so many of those demons trace back to the childhood that he had as I said particularly rejection by women and an anger that was associated with that in your documentary. Tom Osborne says I wish maybe somehow I could have made more more of a difference. His slide downhill really kinda began at Nebraska. Did it not with the involvement with a co Ed and the problem that he had with her her and everything. Can you talk a little bit about that. Well absolutely I mean. Lawrence in Nineteen ninety-five was the odds on favorite to win the heisman trophy. Nebraska had won won the national championship the year before They had gone undefeated In that particular weekend which I think is so poetic in so many ways They had just pummeled Michigan State with their new head coach. Nick Sabin a nick is such. That's a great character in this in this film About what happened in East Lansing in his first year. Head coach at Michigan State. Brask just kills Michigan state and Nick really doesn't know what to do he's been in the NFL for four years. He's been a defensive coordinator with Bill. BELICHICK IN CLEVELAND CLEVELAND. And he's suddenly watching Lawrence Phillips Run for two hundred and forty yards and four touchdowns against the SPARTANS. and He's thinking I haven't seen a back like like this in the NFL. And and that night after Lawrence you know battered and bruised falling asleep on the plane. Going Back Act Lincoln was supposed to meet what was supposed to be Kate. McEwen Basketball player Lady Husky Basketball Player who he had the first. I really significant girlfriend. He had ever had in his life. I was supposed to meet her for a date that night. And she ends up going Out with friends ends up in the apartment of Scott. Frost who at the time was a transfer quarterback from Stanford six six foot. Three good looking blond strapping young man and When Warren's found out about that He simply Kinda freaked doubt. It was a rejection that he It flipped his switch drives across town To Frost apartment. Kate was there lawrence scales a balcony Three floors up Breaks through the sliding glass door into Scott Frost Department Basically Salts Frost and then drags kate down three flights of stairs which which becomes literally nineteen ninety-five of cause celebre as far as the mystic or violence against women and it it destroyed really Lawrence's career Nebraska Obliterated his chance to become a heisman trophy winner. And it's I think it was really you know Ron the first time that violence against women perpetuated by a superstar Star Athlete in College came onto the national stage. It really set the stage for what a coach would do. I mean all we have to do now a look at what's going on in Oklahoma with Joe Mixing as the most recent example. But I think Tom Osborne found himself. No question I don't think I know it found himself in a national spotlight He's suspends Lawrence for six Games and you know the wrath of God comes down from the national national media on that and it turns into the kind of story that Really up ends up the huskers image and interns Lawrence's life upside down. Armond Katayan is with us on sports. byline we're talking about his documentary as executive producer and also doing a lot of writing on this thing. It's called running for his life. The Lawrence Phillips store you can see on showtime it is the best documentary in sports. I've ever seen the same ver- predictor meal. He was frustrated as well. He tried to throw him a lifeline with the Rams Saint Louis Ramsey said if I had to do it over again I might not have fired. Artem a wasted gifted human being haunts me and even recommended to the late. Bill Walsh with the San Francisco. Forty niners after again Dick. Romeo couldn't do anything with him as as well and then even bill. Walsh couldn't reach him as well. So the story proceeds. He ends up being in Los Angeles. Continued problems with people women primarily and the end of his life. Is He ends up dying but is that still in question whether he committed suicide or something else happened. Armand what Ryan if I if I back up a little bit I think one of the most powerful not even think I know one of the most powerful characters the peop- people in our a documentary is Amelia. Wise lawyer who was the the woman in San Diego who met Lawrence. She was a dancer at a Strip club. Club in San Diego and Lawrence is down as luck is down and out. But one of the most I think powerful elements of the documentary. Is this very dangerous. Dance between the victim and the violent and Amelia in no uncertain. Certain terms Expresses what it's like to be in love with with a guy that abuses her but at the same time so frightened by What happens What happened to her that on one occasion but two occasions in it really for US elevated a documentary into a level about what's discuss you know? Domestic violence is an issue. And in what happens and I think once we get through that then you get into Lawrence being convicted. Not only have assaulting Amelie wise later but driving his car into into Some young boys at a pickup basketball game in Los Angeles. He gets thirty one years in prison and then on top of that. He's accused of murdering a cellmate over a very questionable Set circumstances and that leads to this Again the mystery of how Lawrence died in the Kern valley state prison in California Cornea and there were so many levels to this documentary from the beginning of Lawrence's life to how it ended in January January at the age of forty and this report. It suicide is whether it happened or not We let the viewer decide Whether it's true or not but it just gave it a level of Texture and depth that Ross Greenburg who produced produced and directed it and Daba canty who produced it really as the conductor of the train and Lars Anderson who is a terrific writer writer for sports illustrated now a police report myself coupled with a fabulous Director of Photography Steve Lemay and incredible incredible editor Jason Schmitt we all Kinda got wrapped up in this and the way that we're like trying to tell a bigger story. This is not so much about what what happened to Lawrence Phillips but why everything happened to Lawrence Phillips. And that's I think what elevates the dock and it's something that's above the You know above the basic wine here. We have only about forty five seconds left. Is there a message that comes from this movie documentary running for his life Lawrence Phillips Story. Well absolutely run. I think I think it starts in the in group homes and the foster homes in La. It works its way through domestic violence silence and the questions about that and then it moves into the NFL. About why is it that somebody like Lawrence Phillips was never given any kind of education or treatment or programs in the NFL. They do that now. But in the mid nineteen nineties. That was just not available when I don't really know whether the NFL in fact. I do know I don't believe the. NFL's doing enough now to to treat this kind of Behavior behavior by athletes. And it's gotTa Change. I don't think education programs really work. I think you need people like Ray. Rice and Brenda Tracy was a victim of domestic violence to speak from the heart about it and make it a a much more real event than it is right now rather than some skit and rookie symposium arm and I WanNa thank you very much for doing this story and your whole team as well. It's just outstanding. And I urge everyone. Check it out on showtime it's called running for his life the Lawrence Phillips Story in my opinion. This is a documentary. That is a must see Armond Katayan with us. We continue across the country and around the world on sports. Remember in the beginning when you first started to build a life for you and your family you never imagined it would come to this instead of living your dreams. You're living with debt in fact it's smothering you now. There's a way you can take back control with one. Simple call if you owe ten thousand dollars or more in credit card debt you qualify to receive a free no obligation consultation on how to get rid of that debt for good call the debt helpline. Now we work on your behalf to reduce your debt. We specialize in credit cards retail store cards and medical bills. One simple call is all it takes to get the ball rolling to would debt free life. 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I'm an course he has also been A. CBS News correspondent and a contributing correspondent to sixty minutes and we talked about his career. And by the way if you have a chance to check out that book book that I I read about him that he had written. It's called money players days and nights inside the new NBA. I recommend it to you and then we also talked about one of his beasts. He was the executive producer on one of the best sports documentaries. I've ever seen. It's called running for his life. The Lawrence Philip story that was on showtime Fireman Bar. Thanks thanks for being a part of America's sports talk show I'm Lou landers outlandish talks on twitter. And I'm Ron please. At mad dog F F on twitter. You can join us every weekend sports over night America Fridays right here on Sports Byline USA Siriusxm to let you're listening to the sports byline. USA USA broadcast them where the rubber always meets the road. Actually I'm not. I don't even sure what that means to you. 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Pay To build a tram or mono rail or whatever connecting the black actually Paul Ryan to all I hop restaurant. I think we made a stray shower. Bill gives the estimated. Cost of the tram is probably not even that much. You are wasting my time in the time of this. I gotta go what Congressman. This committee is still in session. You can't. This is the onion news network and talk law. It's free talk live. You're invited to join us here. Toll Free Number is eight hundred fifty five four fifty free if you want to take control of the airwaves. That's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three with you tonight. It's Ian and Chris and Vincent and of course you can bring up anything that you want. That is the point here on free. Talk live coming up Well actually we're going to get into a little bit later on. Mitzi you've got some news about the British elections we've on occasion been covering brexit. Here from are relatively disconnected relatively ignorant across the pond viewpoint. And you've been paying closer attention. I think than anybody else else on this show. So that's coming up later. Yeah also its implications on the US V. upcoming US election okay so it is relevant. So we'll get into that well. I think it's relevant anyway. Anytime you've got a secession movement. I think he deserves to be talked about So and then Chris you have a story and I have one as well Similar about encryption and the government goons and their frustration over encryption and actually it turns out that certain aspects of the US federal government gang are actually in conflict over encryption. So we're going to get into that aspect I wouldn't be a first time but I this story from C. Nets Alfred Nikkan reporting. I guess that's how you pronounce the name N. G.. Congress has sent a warning to tech giant's on Tuesday eh telling companies including apple and facebook that they intend to pass legislation to regulate encryption if Silicon Valley can't reach an acceptable compromise is with law enforcement agencies. Sure you can try. But it's would be unconstitutional. Well tell me why that is you have of a First Amendment right to speak your mind and if you WANNA speak it encrypted there is nothing Under the constitution that would allow Congress to pass it short of if I think three fourths vote. Well that's what okay now. That's an interesting interpretation and I don't necessarily disagree with you but I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa try to play devil's advocate here on. Ns well okay. Sure Chris if you WANNA go ahead and encrypt your speech. Then that is your freedom of speech to do so but we in Congress have control control over corporate entities because corporate entities came to us. They asked permission to be a corporate entity. That's what happens when you file for paperwork work right. They have asked US permission to exist and so therefore we are regulating them and we are telling facebook and apple and Google than anybody else. That's doing business in the United States as a corporation the you shall not use. PG encryption that if you have any kind of encryption it has to have a back door built into it so our law enforcement agents can get into it. Well my response to that would be effectively whether or not. I agree with this corporations or people to due according to your your own your own courts. Okay good response. Let's go on with the story here. Tech companies and privacy advocates have long supported encryption knowing that the privacy and security technology protects people from Hackers Crooks Brooks in authoritarian governments law enforcement officials however argue that encryption blocks criminal investigations by preventing access to suspects devices this and their communications on messaging APPs. See it's for the good of the people we just need to be able to get into everything that you're saying just in case you're the criminal and we could stop the pedophile. 's I'm sure he's going to bring that up to write. This is I mean look. It wasn't effective when it was illegal. It's not going to be effective now. uh when it was legal or there was a time when key encryption was effectively illegal to export in the United States. But it didn't. It's not like it it really May. It's not like you couldn't get encryption. Outside the United States you could so it was illegal to create an incredible technology export. It was illegal to export encryption Yeah outside the United States to export the program that encryption things so yeah. PJ So basically back in the nineties your maximum mm encryption was forty bits and within the US they were distributing one hundred twenty eight bits but it didn't really stop anybody from using higher. Grade encryption encryption outside of the United States because the United States doesn't have a monopoly on encryption. I mean this is right at the end of the day so effectively I mean look. It's not like it's not like they could stop somebody from gaining access to it outside and as soon as that program was outside the United States the United States has no control over it anyway. Anyway right so simple out of the United States right. I mean it's I mean we're talking about what a couple megabytes or whatever content right and you have to remember even if you can somehow argue that corporations can be regulated. That doesn't necessarily mean the individual can be regulated right so nothing stops the individual from releasing releasing source code or exporting source code or simply not developing that source code in the United States. Even if you were to somehow argue there is no free speech in it. Doesn't it doesn't make any difference. I mean we're one country out of two hundred around the world. It's your laws. Don't apply to everybody. They only apply to those people within your borders. So and I by no means a fan of a lot of these mega corporations. I mean I don't care for facebook I don't take care about apple. You can't trust the encryption. That's in proprietary products anyway which is most of the products that are coming out of the operation. Somebody asked me today. Do you have WHATSAPP and I I said No. I'm not going to use that product. I don't care if facebook says it's encrypted doesn't matter to me are you against these sorts of laws because they're wrong wrong not because I think it's going to have any impact on me right because you're already not using facebook in. Hi I'M NOT GONNA use those applications anyway right so yeah. The the debate took center stage in two thousand. Sixteen apple fought an F. B. I.. Order to help unlock a terrorist iphone arguing that providing a master key to decrypt devices would endanger enjoy all iphone users and absolutely it would even if you there even if you believe that the right now the government is good you know the Republicans might think that right like the government's good. Don't worry they're only going to use it against the bad guys. Well the thing is even if that were true. And I don't believe it for a moment. I think government minute concept is is evil and they use violence against peaceful people all the time but even if they were this sort of perfect wonderful good government. It's not ah hard for the people you don't like to take over that government and then turn it against you using the tools that you gave them access to while everything was good food. And you're like Oh yeah sure here you. You're only going to go after the bad guys right. Well then they all of a sudden make something you do illegal and now they've got a back door in every single message you you've sent and simple matter to collect it's it's actually kind of funny to that They're going to be talking about cell phones and how they couldn't get access to him. I mean effectively actively your phone is already back doored Because of the way phones are designed Basically there's there's something called a modem in your phone in that modem is basically sharing something called memory With with your like your applications effectively and so because the member the Modem has access to the memory and and the government has total control over the modem software that runs on the phone and they can remotely update that software. They effectively have control over any encryption keys already and they've already used the technique and they've even said this much. FBI has. I don't think they intentionally did so but they have. They have admitted they have talked about it in the passing. Asan the probably like somewhere around two thousand after two thousand. I think it was about how they basically remotely uploaded Modem firmware in order to gain access to you a organized crime boss. I believe to remotely turn off his phone. Yeah but the same. The same technique used it used for seeing any kind of currencies on the phone as well so it's kind of humorous and for somebody who's looked at like how this phones are designed. They're all basically designed the same way and they're all design in the same way where the memory get shared with the Modem and the Modem has access to the complete all of the memory so like yeah. It's it's there's no soul walking. I mean you know a lot about computer hardware compared to me like I can build a computer but you know more about the programming of how it actually works so in the case of the cellphone. They're talking about here where the FBI was telling Apple. We need to get a back door and here we want you to let it or whatever else slightly different scenario because they were trying to gain access after the fact and if the phone had been off they might not have been able to gain access to the encrypted data because they would have had to have grabbed the key wallows on wall while the password had been entered into the phone. I see I see. The phone is not yet decrypted or whatever it may still be. Some effectively is not in memory or Kripke is not in memory because it's been turned off completely. Yea Yes then they might have a problem but as far as like you know going after criminals or whatever they were alive watching you yeah more coming up here you can share your thoughts. The toll free free. Number's eight fifty five. Four fifty free congress threatening to regulate encryption and WanNa know you know. Is that something you support. The you support having no privacy whatsoever ever are you one of those people that says well. 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