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Desperate Democrats Appoint Liz Cheney as Vice Chair of Jan. 6 Committee
"Desperate or the democrats. Well they made liz cheney the vice-chairwoman of the january six panel the staunch opponent of president trump liz. Cheney dick cheney's daughter. She will be this week on. The democrat led panel that says it will aggressively probe the roles played by trump and his allies in inciting the infamous attack. Wow
Warren Rustand on Leading a Life of Design
"So excited that you hear him dose of leadership. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much. Richard lied to be with. You should have some fun today. Yeah it's a true honor really your your expertise in your your the leadership junkie of all junkies. I think i love your book. The leader within uh. It's really good and it speaks resonates with me deeply. You're the first person that use these three terms. And i've been saying this a lot for the past few years about i thought the keys to unlocking transformational leadership. The compassionate side for sure is authenticity. Transparency vulnerability. I saw those three words a coin together. Your book a handful of times. And it just. I just love that so. You're the first person that i've seen. That's coin those three together. So i appreciate very nice you to say. Thank you very much really interesting experience. When i was working at the white house as appointments secretary to president ford and it was one of these times when i'd been appointed. And maybe you've had this experience to richard where you know right away that maybe you're not quite up to the job. You got a lot to learn. And wondering as fast as i could at the people i was hanging out with you know and i don't do this to namedrop to suggest you sort of how i was feeling at the time you know. I was there with don rumsfeld. Dick cheney colin powell. Bob gates brent scowcroft henry kissinger. That was the senior team. Now i was a part of that team. And so i and i was new to the white house. Twenty nine years old new politics and that's didn't feel like i was quite up to it quite good now. So we had a meeting of that group in the oval office one day with the president as they drifted out. I hung behind. Speak to present. I said mr president. I speak with these. Yes sit down. I said mr president not experienced enough. I'm not smart enough. I'm gonna make a mistake. It's going to embarrass you. And and here's my letter of resignation. And i put on his desk and he looked at it for a moment and he swivelled his chair to look out across the south lawn of the white house rose garden and he came back to me and he said you know warned. The very fact that you've said this to new to me makes you qualified to be here. The fact that i was vulnerable transparent and honest with him he knew he could trust me from that point in time as a result of that he trusted this whole farm kid with a lot of stuff that he showed it ever trusted to do but it worked out to be a really nice relationship. I learned early on that. Those three words are key to really deep relationships. I agree a hundred percent. And i love that story. I remember reading that book. You're right. That's where the first time i saw this phrase those three words together based on that story. What a great baptism by fire for for being around the greatness in being the witness as you open up the book to a standing there once nixon official he was going to resign. And you're able to witness ford kind of sit. There process. what was happening the gravity of what was happening and then go into action. I love that kind of inside baseball aspect of that. Of course. I remember that moment when it happened to but just to be there to witness that. It's just amazing when you're in your twenties late twenties but still you know just honored to be there to to witness the transfer of power and the ability of someone to grasp the significance of what was happening. You and then act upon that significant at that moment in time was really a profound leadership lessons for me. It is stayed with me my whole life to to gather in the data and the information the facts and then to have a plan to act on that and In the precise moment when you need to act yeah right is some of us could have said well. Let me step back from this for six months and figure this out that day he said i. I'd like to have the following six people here at seven. Am tomorrow morning for a transition team. Me and we walked into that room the next morning. He pulled from his jacket. Five pages of notes. He had a vision for what that transition was going to be. And that was a significant leadership. Lesson
The World Is As You Find It
"Every now and then i come across a quote in maybe a movie that i'm watching or a book that i'm reading or possibly a podcast that i'm listening to the kind of stops me in my tracks and when that happens. I always paused from moment. Think about it a little bit and always make note of it and usually come back two months or weeks later. And that's exactly what happened with this quote that i got from the movie vice. Which is the story of vice president. Dick cheney and in this movie christian. Bale plays the character of dick cheney and he comes out with that quote the world is as you find it and i remember distinctly when i was watching it i it on because i really wanted to think about it because it struck me as a really powerful thing to say and as i explored i realized that to me i think it's an empowering comment on a couple of levels firstly i think it's empowering to understand that that's the way the world is. There's nothing i can necessarily do to change it. It's not my fault that it's like that but that's what it is. So now i'm free to move on within the framework that that's created and i think it's empowering on another level because it makes you hold yourself accountable in a way because you can bitch and moan all you like about the way the world is in the state of the nation but the reality is that's the way it is so what you need to do is work within that framework and just find a way to move forward so i think it's empowering on both those levels and that's why i think that statement really struck a chord with me so except that the world is as you find it. You don't have to change it you can if you want. You can try but regardless. There's no point complaining about it. you can do. All you like to work around it you can do. All you can to work within it but the realities the world is as you find it. And i think maybe for some people. They probably need to hear that right now. Because it's a pretty shitty world out there for a lot of people right now but the world is as we find it so. Let's do what we can
Ex-Pentagon chiefs warn against using US military in election disputes
"Living former defense secretaries have joined together to push back on any talk about involving the military and resolving election dispute. 10. Former defense chiefs, including Trump Appointees, Mark Esper and Jim Mattis, wrote an op ed in the Washington Post today. They said the time for questioning the election results has passed. Furthermore, they said, any effort to involve the military in election disputes would be a dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional step. Former Vice President Dick Cheney, who served as defense secretary under George H. W. Bush also signed onto the statement.
Joe Bidens presidency
"And foremost happy new year to all our listeners. At the ever present risk of tempting fate it does feel like two thousand and twenty one can only be an improvement on two thousand and twenty one. Primary cause for optimism is the fact that after january twentieth earth's most powerful office will no longer be held by america's worst on imprisoned citizen description. Correct as of this broadcast between an untamed pandemic economic crisis and the spectacular mess made in general by president. Donald trump president elect joe biden faces a daunting oval office in trae won joint first of all by christchurch mcnichols news editor and by suzanne lynch washington dc correspondent with the irish times in this first part of the show. We'll look mostly at what president-elect joe biden wants to do and will do domestically but chris festival on that thought of succeeding donald trump. How much political capital does joe biden inherit just by virtue of not being donald trump. Well to be honest in some ways. That is a question that will be. I think more important end to discuss in the second half of our show. We look at foreign policy. Because i think that is where there is arguably a lot more political capital. You know joe biden will enter office of this month to lead a country that is still extraordinarily divided. It has to be said that whatever Court decisions were taken efforts to reverse. This election rejected by courts and by many academics. Who saw you know and others observers. Who saw no real evidence of fraud. It is important to point out. I think that potentially a majority of republicans are going to come into this year. Voters believing. Joe biden is illegitimate that that is not correct. That is not that is not what happened. But it is nevertheless a danger for democracy. And it's something that really i think is important to watch. Joe biden essentially has a tremendous amount of goodwill from half of the country who expects him to reverse many of the policies that donald trump implemented over the last four years and he will do a number of those from day one but we should not forget the other half of the country that will be causing a huge stink about all of this and it will be very interesting to watch how he tries to bridge those gaps particularly when it is such a strong divide as i say even in the sense of many just simply not even seeing him as their president suzanne to bring you in that division that chris delineates the is going to make extremely complicated one question. Joe biden will have to grapple with which is what does he do about donald trump. Does he as best he can. Just ignore him and hope he goes away or does he turn various congressional committees and the department of justice loose to try and get to the bottom wherever it may be of whatever. Wrongdoing was done. I don't think joe biden instinct will be to do that. I mean joe biden has presented himself very much as the kind of the nation's healer. He's talked about his own track record when he was in the senate for so many years of working across the aisle with republicans and working productively republicans. Now some might say that. Joe biden is suffering from naive radio. That washington has changed. That things have become much more polarized on they have in the last decade or so so he for example has has quietly hinted at his relationship with mitch. Mcconnell mitch. mcconnell is more more than likely going to be leading. i'm the two men have worked together. Particularly joe biden was vice president and mitch mcconnell in the senate and but even still you know. We saw mitch mcconnell reluctance to add call. Joe biden president-elect even though he had had won the election so that is a major at challenge for at for joe biden is going to be handling congress also. The problem facing him is democrats did very badly in november's election in terms of their seats. Both the senate and the house so not to pelosi now coming into a new year coming into a new congress with a much reduced majority and that is going to make things tricky for her. She's going to be tried keeper own party in check and i think a lot of the more left wing elements of the democratic party. Who basically were prepared to put away their differences with the establishment democratic party. If you like to try and defeat. Donald trump i now all gloves off and i think we're going to see this element of the party. The bernie sanders winged. Aoc wing. you know. Really kind of be vocal about what they believe. This joe biden presidency should deliver so i think you know that whole political reality of how washington is going to work with the mats in the house and the senate is going to be a constant challenge for joe biden other tries to govern. We'll chris let's look at the most pressing issues that will face president joe biden which is of course the covid nineteen pandemic now. Obviously there are grounds for optimism. Which is that a vaccine exists but it is going to take a while to get it to everybody. We are still months away from normality returning to the united states. Between now and then is there anything. The president biden will actually realistically be able to do to make an obviously already dreadful situation slightly less dreadful. Well i think he is going to try his damnedest to do that. he has set this or that that we all know now of Essentially a one hundred million doses of the vaccine in his first one hundred days disseminated to the public That's an ambitious goal. Although at the same time it it should be said that this was A goal if you will of the trump administration as well And this was. This was something that was planned. They had essentially bought one hundred million doses for the first quarter But the biggest challenge that we are going to see this In these first one hundred days is really going to be how that is disseminated. How is it gotten through to hospitals. you know and how states and local authorities cooperate with the federal government in order for that dissemination to take place how the army is potentially involved. It is a herculean task to get all of these vaccines out as quickly as joe biden has promised and i think it's going to be interesting because on the one hand you know he is as we you know he's he's still not president until january twentieth much of the work on this has been done by the trump administration At the same time there is you know there is this risk if you will or you could also put it in a positive way. There's an opportunity in that joe biden. I think will very quickly find that. This becomes his pandemic to deal with. And that he will be reckoned with in terms of how he is able to get certain programs underway. That means that his people his entire operation is really going to have to hit the ground running incredibly quickly when they take over in particular because they also have not gotten that much help that much cooperation from the trump administration in the transition. Suzanne joe biden has of course being in the white house during one previous dramatic intervention in the united states economy. When he and barrack obama arrived in the wake of the two thousand eight collapse will he be tempted towards something similar in the current circumstances or preceding more on the assumption that wants the vaccine is taking effect. The us economy will more or less sort itself out. Well it's it's a very good point. Under i mean i think there are lots of parallels here actually to what obama faced obama joe biden back into into a nine and you know even between the election on the inauguration i mean america. I'm particularly america then. The wider world was embroidered the biggest financial crisis in decades. And they have to deal with that. So yes there are a lot of parallels i think joe biden has a proven record on this and they were able to pass the tariff act. They did the the bailout fund for the auto industry hugely complex pieces of legislation. Where a lot of money involved. And that may well be the case. Again i mean the. Us economy at the figures december have been worrying. There has been worst. Jobless figures than had been expected am the signs of recovery. We saw in the late summer. You know really didn't continue as we kind of got into that second. Wave around thanksgiving time so i think the economic consequences. This you know are really not getting. Maybe enough attention here. Obviously so at the figures are overwhelming in terms of the deaths the infection rates and but there's also a huge impact on the economy. And i think we're going to see i. I believe around the world. It's it would probably accentuate this. You know the difference between the house and the have nots. If you like you know the poorer are are people who are have lost. Their jobs are in less secure. And yes we're seeing the stock market. Do very very well throw twenty twenty and a lot of people. You know hoarding cash. Essentially as saving. So these kind of issues i think are going to be front and foremost for joe biden particularly. I mentioned already because of this very strong left wing within his party. They want joe biden. Who who has been pivoting. More to the left economically i think for example compared to say a hillary clinton at the time you know four years ago and i think he has suggested you know with his pick johnny yet and his treasury secretary. She talked about for example. The need to address structural issues economic inequality along racial and gender lines in the united states describing how they are important for the economy to address that. So you know what he's going to do in terms of getting more covert relief. Package is going to be a key element of this first one hundred days in parallel to the huge logistical challenge of getting those vaccinations out trying to encourage people to get vaccinated etc and again. This is all going to depend on his relationship with congress and these are going to be. It's going to be a lot of money involved in this and Republicans in particular in the sandwich have been At loggerheads with democrats out late twenty twenty about the size and scope of a of any rescue package for the american economy and you know commentators ironic air pointing out the national dash went way up under trump a now are we going to start hearing republicans complaining about the national debt. So i think that whole aspect as i say in parallel to the the health issue is going to be a key concern for biden in the first few months presidency. Chris susanne mentioned there a couple of members of president-elect biden's domestic team we should talk about obviously the highest profile member of that domestic team which vice president-elect kamala harris do. You anticipate that she'll be a more visible and obviously engaged vice president than usual because it's going to be a very different relationship. Between her and president biden vice president biden had with president barrack. Obama perhaps ironically as things have turned out biden. wasn't really seen as a natural apprentice. successor To the much younger president he was he was running alongside whereas you already. Since there's a a feeling gathering kamla harris's president in waiting. Well i think To continue the two thousand two thousand nine parallels in in some ways. This is a sort of the reverse of that. As as you're discussing. Because i think when joe biden came into office as vice president he sort of provided the experienced the heft to the to the obama administration as the time as the sort of political establishment candidate for you know a relative neophyte in barack obama at the time and so his role You know he was. Obviously you also had before that dick. Cheney famously is maybe the vice president who really transformed the role but joe biden sort of ran with that and he was this You know incredibly powerful Very involved vice president as involved if not more involved than dick. Cheney was as vice president you know before that vice presidency often was seen as this very unimportant role and so i think in that sense perhaps looking now to kamala harris In some ways there's a reverse there because she is not the one providing the heft if you will joe biden is now even more experienced than he was back then so he will be the the fully experienced leader if you will in this campaign In this in this white house And so the question will be in that sense. What kind of room. He is willing to give kamala harris. What exactly she is going to put her stamp on In terms of us. And i think that's still a bit of an open debate. He obviously picked kamala harris because they have a good working relationship. She is somebody who was Arguably more of a centrist than some of the other candidates that he could have picked. You know she's not from the bernie sanders wing of the party. I think that was important because in wanted to pick somebody not only who was historic in terms of being a woman. I african american as well in the vice presidency But really somebody that he could have a good working relationship with in order to use her as both a trusted adviser and entrust her with leading on certain issues. So i think it will be very interesting to see how that relationship plays out and finally as you say as one point he obviously has not expressly said it but many would assume. There's a very good chance that joe biden will be a one term president and so in that sense. Yes this is. Come a harris's chance to really show that she is the one who will take up the mantle of being the leader of the democratic party of the future christchurch. Mac thank you for the moment.
Trump pardons Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charles Kushner
"Trump parted another batch of loyalists including Roger Stone and Paul Manafort tonight. Charles Kushner, the father of Mr Trump's son in law. Jared Kushner also had his legal record wiped. The president made this new batch of clemencies just after leaving the White House for Mar A Lago in Palm Beach, Florida ABC News Political director Rick Klein joined W. T. O P s Dmitri Sodas to take a deeper look at those pardons, stunning series of names, the kind of list that you can't imagine any other president ever. Compiling about a month before he leaves office. These are political loyalists of the father of his own son in law, Jared Kushner, among them in Paul Manafort, Roger Stone to individuals who remained loyal through some very tough legal times. They really brought upon themselves the president clearly using his power now, on the way out the door to reward loyalists in ways that would be unfathomable. You know the any other administration. This is not The normal channel or the normal course of business. These are not people that would have been pardoned, or Heather senses committed by any other president, but saying oil to President Trump has paid off for them. Can we talk about the Mueller investigation as sprawling and wide ranging as it was essentially being undone here? Is that my my overreaching or is that correct? I think the president is systematically taking away the accomplishments and undermining The very real prosecutorial work that they accomplished particularly with the Paul Manafort conviction. I think the Roger Stone one probably fits into this is well, you had a office inside the Department of Justice that was very aggressively looking for things that were prosecutable, and they found them in many cases, and now the president is coming out and saying This whole thing was Was a witch hunt from the start. And that's That's what his former national security adviser, or, you know, already the beneficiary of one of these pardons one of these computations and I think yes, I think anything associated with Mueller, the president is more inclined than most to say. This is something that I can undo with this pardon power we have heard in recent months. Defenders of the president point to the sheer numbers that is that other presidents maybe take Bill Clinton as an example, may have actually pardoned more people in the end and that President Trump should Not be criticized for using one of the few powers that a president can wield. Shall we say unilaterally, and he can use it, But I think the criticism is very much justified when you realize that this is not the normal process where people petitioned for the Department of Justice, you get a recommendation not to say that other presidents have never used political loyalties, particularly Bill Clinton in the past, But we remember times were Where there was outward lobbying on George W. Bush for Scooter Libby from his own Vice President Dick Cheney. He's still resisted and said, No, I'm not gonna issue that pardon. Actually, he was pardoned ultimately, by President Trump similar for Barack Obama. He did not consider pardons that that would have that kind of personal connection. They went up to the Department of Justice. The president has this part in power, he can use it. It's one of the few unchecked, unchallenged powers, but it's clear that President Trump is using it specifically to single out people that have been loyalty to him to pay off political patron's political donors, people in his own family. It may be setting up the ultimate pardons, which would be potentially pardons of people in the inner inner circle and maybe in his own family. There are partners on the way out the door of his sons of his daughter, Ivanka, maybe of himself. That would be the ultimate tell and truly without precedent. That's ABC News political director Rick Klein, who joined us on Skype.
Rand Paul calls for Trump veto of coronavirus relief, mocks GOP colleagues for 'socialist spending'
"Up Rand Paul. Okay. But let's talk about Rand Paul for a second as far as the $600, the biggest Yeah, I won't calm a douchebag. I wrote that down, but I won't say that because I know it'll insult you. Rand. Paul said that even $600 was too much. Leaving it to Donald Trump to Mrs Sarcasm completely have a listen to this. Republicans like to mock modern monetary theory. The idea of the government can print money with impunity that government can spend whatever it wants without the need to tax Modern monetary theory is basically the Dick Cheney deficits. Don't matter Crowd trussed up with a new fancy title. Most Republicans rightly lampoon this quackery. That is when they're not practicing the quackery themselves. Today, Many of these same Republicans will vote for a bill that makes modern monetary theory look like child's play in comparison. The monster spending bill presented today is not just a deficits don't matter Disaster it is everything Republicans say they don't believe in This bill is free money for everyone. Proponents don't care if you're fully employed or own your own house or own your own business. Free money for everyone. They crime. And yet Free money were the answer. If money really grew on trees, why not give more free money? Why not give it out all the time? Why stop it $600 a person. Why not? $1000? Why not $2000? Okay, Michelle. That's somebody who who you admire. Where was he? Where was the lie and what he said. He was absolutely right. If you're a fiscal conservative, you can't just go to the Treasury and just make money Whenever you want and handed out. We're in a pretty bad situation here, and I think if you listen to what Rand said, you listen to what the president said. Even listen to what some of the Democrats have said. Here's the problem. We've been screwing the American people over dangling stimulus in front of them, but playing political games and political theater this whole time, But the fact of the matter is, you can't just make monopoly money forever and just act like it's going to be a okay, there has to be a plan. But see, this is what Congress does. Congress never has a plan. Congress always does an ominous spending bill. They always wait to the last minute. They always do the theatrics. They always do this and they never do their job. That's who you need to be mad at. This isn't Republican thing or Democrat thing. This isn't incompetence thing. We agree, though, that people need help. Right now. Financially in $600 is a joke. So why is he disparaging saying? Well, let's just give people free money. Why not phrase it differently and say, Listen, we need to make sure that we're doing this responsibly. But I also believe that we need to take care of people in 600 hours of enough Rand. Paul would never say something like that, because that's not Rand. Paul. So I don't ask Ram Paul didn't want to give us didn't want to give 9 11 the 9 11 heroes. That were down
The movie of the year is here: Boys State
"Sean Fantasy. And this is the big picture conversation show but the best movie I've seen in twenty twenty. That movie is called boy state. What is boy state? Well, it's a documentary. It is now available on Apple TV plus and I thought it would be appropriate for us to just talk about this film which I think is fascinating and incredible document of life in twenty twenty in many ways. Specifically, the way that we engage with our political system Amanda I wanted to talk to you about it because I know that you like the. Film as well. We're GONNA. Talk a bit about what boy state is the institution, and also what this movie isn't how it captures it but what did you make of it off the top see you saw this movie at Sundance as did our colleague Noam Away and you both raved about it and I didn't get to see that sundance so I caught up with it about six months later with all of the expectation that goes along with you guys being this is the best we've ever seen I was wrapped. This is A. Very documentary that is about each. Summer Camp Robert Graham, and we'll explain the program a bit more. It's Kinda complex. I still have some questions about how boy state the Summer Camp Program works but whatever. And I was just completely in Michigan. It's one of those documentaries where you're like I can't believe you got this on tape and also I can't believe that you've got this on tape and also it speaks so profoundly to the moment in which I'm watching it even though it was filmed during the summer of two, thousand and eighteen. Yell leader in this episode, and you can hear a conversation with me and Amanda mcbain and Jesse Moss the filmmakers behind the movie and they explained a bit about how they captured what you're describing, and there are several moments in this movie that will make you say this is must be scripted. This can't be real. I mean in many ways it seems. Like archetypal narrative, dramatic movie making, but it is very real and boy state. The institution is very real. So what is boy state? It's it is as you say, it's a sort of a summer camp. It's a, it's a summer leadership program I assume you as a as a high achieving young person. You must have been a part of some some programs. Like this I get sent to Arts Camp I. Never did the Politics Camp I did have to go to girl scout camp once even though it wasn't a girl Scout, but this is sponsored by the American Legion and I only really interacted with the American Legion. In that. Sometimes, we had our middle school dances at an American Legion clubhouse. Okay. So the American Legion does sponsor this program they nominate High. School Juniors and they come in the interview and they talk about their idea of the country and patriotism and the idea of public service that means to them, and it's essentially a training program for politicos aspiring Politicos, and that's a fascinating thing growing up I went to basketball camp. I was an aspiring. Professional Basketball player unfortunately I am incredibly slow and can't jump and can't shoot. So that's that was never going to happen for me, and for some people at boys anger, there is a girl state as well. We should say that you know in in most states in this country, they offer this program. There are a lot of people who aspire to kind of public service or at least to get a a sort of a sense of civic duty, which is not necessarily the same thing as public service. And this has been happening since nineteen, thirty seven. And the. There is a long list of famous and accomplished alumni in boys and girls stayed more specifically boy stated won't probably won't surprise people to hear. Just a shortlist of incredibly well known people who participated in this program includes Bill Clinton Dick Cheney. Justice Samuel Alito James Gandolfini my boy. Roger Ebert. Michael Jordan. Tom Cotton. Rush Limbaugh Cory Booker. So you know luminaries or lowlights depending on your point of view of the world. This is quite a quite a list of people there and the program itself is kind of interesting. So essentially, I, feel like we're talking around specifically what it does, but the programs vary by state but in Texas where this movie takes place participants are divided into two groups. The federal and the nationalist and what are the what are these two groups have to do and and how does that set up the Phil Do a lot of things but the film follows the political campaign aspect of boy state and boy state is a week long program in Texas and kind of the climactic event is an election for governor of the state, the boys state of Texas. So these two parties, the federalists in the nationalist, which by the way just already casts a quite a shadow over the whole. The. The documentary because they really they adopt these names as teams, and so they're yelling about being federalists and nationalists and anyway. At they elect. Party chairman's they they kind of do a platform that we should talk about the platform they have primaries and they each eventually select one nominee for the governor's race, and then at the end, there is election and one governor emerges. So you know approximately eleven hundred boys participate in this process, and that means that out of large groups. One two three people have to merge and the reason that this movie happened and the reason that Jesse and Amanda sought to identify a handful of people who'd be significant to the process in the given year that they were shooting is because in two thousand, seventeen Texas boys state legislature voted to secede from the Union and that if that doesn't some American politics in the trump era I don't I don't know what does the fact that it was your teenagers decided they needed to succeed from a program which is already imaginary. Is Perfect, we should note that two thousand seventeen was when the state legislature of Texas successfully voted to see from union. It is apparently a emotion that came up for several years but this time both bodies ratified this action, and of course, that is a an ongoing dialogue in the state of Texas. In the true American experience you know there are many Texans who would like to not be a part of this country maybe not many there but there are certainly some we know that that's the session is an ongoing conversation in some states. Around the country. So the point is, is that boy stayed in many ways reflect the political system or does it? It's I think the nature or nurture question here is essential to this movie and what makes it so fascinating and even when I talk to Amanda and Jesse I, think that they were unwilling to put their thumb on the scale to say what were they felt it lived or died but as I said, this movie is just exceptional and
'Boys State' Helps Teens Learn How Politics Work — Perhaps A Little Too Well
"This is fresh air, want a glimpse into a potential future candidate for elected office? Look no further than the new documentary called Boy State. It's about an annual event in my government for high school students sponsored by the American Legion. By the way, Bill Clinton and Cory Booker went through the program. Boy state begins streaming Friday on Apple, Plus our film critic Justin Chang has THISS review. Since they were founded in the 19 thirties by the American Legion, the boys, state and Girls state programs have been giving high schoolers a practical education in how government works. Students in every state are chosen to take part in a weeklong summer experiment in which they must form their own representative democracy. As we learned from the opening credits of the terrific new documentary Boys State. No Clinton, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh and Cory Booker are just a few of the program's famous alone's A film, directed by Amanda McBain and Jesse Moss, focuses on the Texas boy state event that took place in June 2018. We see the roughly 1200 participants arriving in Austin. Where they are randomly divided into two political parties, The federalists and the Nationalists. Those names carry no agenda. It's up to both parties to hammer out a platform, choose their leaders and then run against each other in a week long election campaign. McBain and Moss throw us into this mark government exercise without much preamble or explanation of the rules of the game. My politics itself. The action can be a little confusing. Unlike politics, it's never boring, mainly because the movie wisely focuses on a select few participants. Either. The filmmakers were extremely lucky and their choice of subjects or they shot so much footage that they were able to isolate the most compelling personalities. In any event, the four young men, we spend the most time with all in that playing key roles in the experiments, nerve wracking outcome. Most ambitious of the bunch is been the Federalists Party chair who's willing to do anything to win votes, including smearing the Nationalists on Social media. Dennis, politically conservative. He has a Ronald Reagan action figure to prove it. And he despises what he sees as the liberal tendency to divide people along lines of race, gender and disability. Then speaks from some personal perspective. He lost both his legs to meningitis when he was three. Care of the Nationalist Party hails from the opposite end of the political spectrum. Progressive black teenager originally from Chicago. Renee knows he stands out in this mostly white, conservative Texas field. He also stands out on merit. He has a seasoned politicians command of rhetoric and can deftly out argue any opponent. It is also capable of calling for party unity, as he does in an early speech. My grandmother told me a few things you have to have faith, hope and a bit of a pissed off attitude. I want to be civil and represent a whole working body. And we're gonna take the example of a plane body. It has two wings left one, right one. We're not gonna pick one. We're going to stay in the middle, because we're not intolerable party where one that is palatable to all. And so as long as we're able to keep this plane of foot with a healthy right wing in a healthy left wing, we have the ability and the capability to pummel any fairless into the ground because we're the only party that's where voting for because it's this party that's going to represent every individual. If Rene has the sharpest mind and tongue and boy state, its heart and soul belonged to Steven A fellow nationalist party member. Stephen becomes an underdog in the race for governor, the highest elected office. Like Rene Steven stands out. He's the son of a Mexican immigrant, and he counts Bernie Sanders among his political heroes, his humility on the campaign trail and his stirring honesty in front of a microphone. Prove irresistible to the crowd. Again and again, he invites his fellow party members to tell him what issues are most important to them so that he could be a better truer representative for their concerns. We see these young men debating a lot of issues, especially gun control. There's a lot of talk about protecting the Second Amendment. But there are also counter arguments from students like Steven, who have clearly been shaken by the sheer number of school shootings. Another much discussed. Issue is abortion, which leads to one of the film's most revealing moments. A nationalist gubernatorial candidate named Robert, who's running on a strict pro life platform. Admits on camera that he secretly pro choice. Sometimes you've got to say what you've got to say in an attempt to win, he says. That's politics. Indeed, it is. And while the filmmakers are working from a mostly neutral fly on the wall perspective, their attitude toward the boy state program feels ambivalent. At best, Deliberately or not. The experiment seems to bring out a lot of the flaws of America's political system itself. Personal attacks, dishonest tactics and conflicts that hinge moron popularity than substantive policy debate. It's undeniably inspiring to see so many young men with bright, engaged minds and the best of them, as we see from the end of the movie have already gone on to impressive new accomplishments. But it's also dispiriting that so many of them have already learned to view politics in the most cynical way possible as the game to be won by any means necessary. Justin Chang is the film critic for the Los Angeles
Film Review: A teenage political experiment in ‘Boys State’
"Future candidate for elected office. Look no further than the new documentary called Boy State. It's about an annual event in my government for high school students sponsored by the American Legion. By the way, Bill Clinton and Cory Booker went through the program. Boy state begins streaming Friday on Apple, Plus our film critic Justin Chang has THISS review. Since they were founded in the 19 thirties by the American Legion, the boys, state and Girls state programs have been giving high schoolers a practical education in how government works. Students in every state are chosen to take part in a weeklong summer experiment in which they must form their own representative democracy. As we learned from the opening credits of the terrific new documentary Boys State. Will Clinton, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh and Cory Booker are just a few of the program's famous alums. A film, directed by Amanda McBain and Jesse Moss, focuses on the Texas Boys state event that took place in June 2018. We see the roughly 1200 participants arriving in Austin. Where they are randomly divided into two political parties, The federalists and the Nationalists. Those names carry no agenda. It's up to both parties to hammer out a platform, choose their leaders and then run against each other in a week long election campaign. McBain and Moss throw us into this mark government exercise without much preamble or explanation of the rules of the game. Like politics itself, be action can be a little confusing. Unlike politics, it's never boring, mainly because the movie wisely focuses on a select few participants. Either. The filmmakers were extremely lucky and their choice of subjects or they shot so much footage that they were able to isolate the most compelling personalities. In any event, the four young men we spend the most time with all in that playing key roles in the experiments, nerve wracking outcome. Most ambitious of the bunch is Ben, the Federalists Party chair who's willing to do anything to win votes, including smearing the Nationalists on Social media. Venice. Politically conservative. He has a Ronald Reagan action figure to prove it. And he despises what he sees as the liberal tendency to divide people along lines of race, gender and disability. Then speaks from some personal perspective. He lost both his legs to meningitis when he was three. Care of the Nationalist Party hails from the opposite end of the political spectrum. Progressive black teenager originally from Chicago. Renee knows he stands out in this mostly white, conservative Texas field. He also stands out on merit. He has a seasoned politicians command of rhetoric and can deftly out argue any opponent. It is also capable of calling for party unity, as he does in an early speech. My grandmother told me a few things you have to have faith.
Election 2020: Biden's VP Pick
"There's plenty of general reporting out there about each of the possible women who Joe Biden might pick to be his vice president. We're here now to understand the Jewish angle for each of these impressive women to learn what American Jews should know about each of these candidates that might make them more supportive or concerned. So we're going to go one by one and get the Jewish angle from our guest Jacob Corn Blue, the national politics reporter for Jewish insider. Jacob. Thank you for joining us to be back. Let's start with Comma Harris a former candidate for the Democratic nomination a popular senator from California the State with the second largest Jewish population in the country. What's the Jewish angle on Senator Harris? First of all, she married to a Zionist of that Iraqi gets her a Jewish scientist. Yes. So that gives an upper hand in this Jewish of IPE stakes I think that Kamala Harris gives a lot. She adds up to the ticket number one just because she was a popular candidate and people. So her at the start as a rising star and somebody who can really take this to the very end unfortunately it for ourselves she didn't win the primaries should take on. Joe. Biden pretty early which gave. That rise in the polls in the only of twenty twenty. I will say that Biden. Biden comes to see who is preferred choice for Veep Kamala Harris has a big name recognition. Is Obviously arised star and her background, a label as being a black woman from California. But was so high tides in the Senate and in the Jewish community. So the pros are out. The cons are that I'm not sure Biden Israeli looking for someone on the ticket would potentially overshadow him not because Harris Donald understand that if she's on the ticket, she's number two and she's there to serve the presidential nominee and possibly the president. But Because Camera Harris ran on the same slop because she is a bishop you know she can overshadow him in media appearances and potentially as vice president of being a little more independent and vocal than let's say, Dick Cheney and pence on camera beyond the you know the happy coincidence of the Jewish husband is there anything in particular that Jews should know about Senator Harris is policy stances? What has she? Done on issues Anti Semitism, what has she done on supporting Israel, other issues of concern to the Jewish community I guess close ties with APEC obviously. She's spoken at several APEC conferences but she also appealed to the mainstream of the Democratic Party She's not seen as a controversial figure amongst progressives say as someone who is too pro Israel for them she will reflect the same policies that Biden Obama and. Anybody, else running a Democratic Party other than on the an Warren's she would you know align herself with the second policy views? So I don't think she's outstanding. She's not too long in the Senate to look back at a record by think, she has a strong provisions record and she is aligned itself with the mainstream of the Democratic Party next, let's talk about political MIA fights, Susan, rice, Susan Rice served. As US ambassador to the UN in President Obama's first term and his national security adviser in his second going even further back in time actually I think I think she was the youngest ever assistant secretary of State She was you know thirty three or something like that when President Clinton in Nineteen Ninety eight made her the system secretary of State for Africa what did you need to know about Susan? Rice. Well Susan Rice first of all is A. Mixed emotions about Susan, Rice obviously, she has good ties with prominence numbers of the Jewish community and she has a record serving as national security adviser and embassador to the UN on their Obama Democrats SAPORTA. Mostly Obama's policy when it comes to how other than the last UN Security Council. Two, three, three, four, a resolution, and just mind our listeners about two three four why that was controversial. The only time when Obama. ABSTAINED ON APRIL then. All on settlements that you know really couldn't dent on Obama's record when it comes to a majority of American Jews talking about Republican Jews, all those. In Israel who soul Obama as being the more salt when it comes to the Palestinian issue. But Susan Rice obviously had a this overlap from being a national security adviser and the to the UN. Obviously, she was a controversial figure on this front. She was criticized by Dennis. Ross by the full hug combative style. When came to the Palestinian issue on the other hand, she has very strong ties with somebody like a Fox who is very vocal in his pro Israel stats
Author Roth weighed in on 'Plot Against America' before TV series was adapted
"This is fresh AIR let's get back to Terry's two thousand four interview with Philip Roth his book the plot against America is the basis of a new HBO mini series that starts Monday the novel has been adapted by David Simon and ed burns who worked together on the wire Roth died in twenty eighteen no no president Limburg in your novel may be anti semitic but after he's elected he knows better than to just come out and say at any initiate a program that brings young Jewish children to the quote heartland to kind of initiate them in the ways of heartland American life he initiates a homeland program that relocates Jewish families to get a quote heart heartland places of America and nobody really knows the Jewish families don't really know whether this is really meant to be a way of opening up their horizons are broadening their lives or whether it's a truly anti semitic way of removing them from safe friendly neighborhoods and putting them in in communities that might be very hostile and it also kind of breaking up the Jewish vote by breaking up a Jewish communities did you imagine that for Lindberg to really catch on in America he would have to use euphemistic language for anything that might truly be anti semitic at heart and helps in the language of the you know the heartland and just folks in mmhm mmhm you know well they are it is ambiguous to know what the intention is of for instance to begin with the first one which is called just folks that is a program in which Jewish boys from I think ten to fifteen for remember correctly volunteer if they want to to spend eight weeks in the summer on a farm somewhere my brother goes to Kentucky networks and tobacco farm they can go to any any place that's available where they can do farm work and work they ordinarily wouldn't do what's wrong with that why is it mostly Jews and that's what makes people nervous put it on the face of it there's nothing wrong with it now we move on to the next program which is called homestead forty to nineteen forty two as opposed to homes at eighteen forty two which was the original homestead act that is something else according to that piece of legislation large corporations are encouraged to transfer their Jewish employees to offices in more remote parts of the country and in the face of this legislation my father whose company is going to move us to Kentucky quits his job our lives in a way that is more because that is what there's more coercive that is I would say a bit more ominous and may be Lindbergh handy shown a little more strongly on the other hand if that's all this guy does it's not too terrible you know the limber disappears from my book before you can do anymore so you never really know what he's up to and again that's what I wanted I you never really know what he's up to he's a kind of jam heroic statue who looms over the book after after limber disappears then all hell breaks loose but I don't remember nobody can even in that that homestead act you know that in which corporations relocate Jewish employees the letter that your father gets home in the novel is so euphemistically just read a few lines from it you know if you're calling in life is proud to be among the very first group of major American corporations and financial institutions selected to participate in the new homestead program which is designed to give emerging American families a once in a lifetime opportunity to move their house sold at government expense in order to strike roots in an inspiring region of America previously inaccessible to them well doesn't that sound great but you know as the family in the novel figures out this is this is the the government and the corporation joining hands to to coerce Jewish families to move it was great fun writing that letter yeah yeah you really got that cheerful corporate PR results down found out what it was like to be Dick Cheney yeah I it's it's it's it imagine most people would not I would be impenetrable they would just take it at face value my father because he's so committed again against liberty from the start refuses to to do with aspirin Philip's cousin you know your cousin Alvin in the book get who who is something of a hood Hey Taylor and wants to fight against him and you know the United States under Lindberg is not going to join the war but he wants to wants to enter it anyway so he joins the Canadian Army and fights against Hitler but he loses half of one leg in the war and returns with a stump that's covered in ulcers boils and scabs he moves in with the Roth family and a first it's horrifying to fill up he says it was bad enough that we weren't living in a normal country now we would never again be living in a normal house a life of even more suffering was taking shape around me any praise to the housekeeping guides to protect our humble five rooms and all they contain from the vengeful fury of the missing leg in thinking about the impact that this missing leg this stump would have on the young Philip Roth's life did you have anything like it anything comparable to draw on from your own life no I didn't I didn't I I had to think my way through it I think the only thing that comes close lineages I never had as a child when I was in the army and I guess I was in my early twenties I was in the public information officer will treat hospital in Washington and my job was to go out into the wards and get information about US soldiers newly arrived who were injured or hurt or whatever and then write a little press release for the hometown paper and they had a lot of amputees at Walter Reed may be able to reverse the center I don't remember but they had many entities and so I went out on the wards and and I talked to these guys it was a sad as you can imagine is just after the Korean War or I go down to P. T. within physical therapy and watch them learning to walk on the parallel bars and so and so I sold my shares of stumps and not just of legs and the pathos was overwhelming overwhelming and so I carried this with me I think into the block and I think it's why it maybe even when I came to me that in fact I haven't thought of it till till now but I think perhaps that those experiences had a lot to do with determining how often would be would be wounded author Philip Roth speaking to Terry gross in two thousand for his alternative history novel the plot against America was published that year he died in twenty eighteen a mini series based on the novel begins Monday on HBO adapted by David Simon and
Bloomberg’s big bet: Can money beat Biden's momentum?
"Buddha JIB has dropped out Biden had a big win in South Carolina a three or four days before the big win by Biden and South Carolina and people were saying he was gonNA lose to Bernie Bernie's momentum was such coming out of Nevada that he was going to win a Tuesday tomorrow. Super Tuesday can change. Everything can be over honestly Bhai Wednesday morning at nine in the morning can be over But your thoughts about Biden now budgets dropping out. And what are we looking at our? Don't we know we don't know I mean what we know is a third of all of the delegates will be apportioned tomorrow night so thirteen hundred delegates out of the thirty nine hundred. You Need Nineteen Hundred. Save the thousand or eleven. It's very hard to do that. Because unlike Republicans who have this so indicative of how the two Parties Think. Republicans have a lot of winner-take-all states. You win the state yet. All the delegates Democrats have actually in the Electoral College. Democrats have if you get fifteen percent either statewide or any congressional district in the State. You get delegates from a practical perspective. What that means is it's just harder to get a lot a big lead sanders will have the lead. After tomorrow. I would look at California. It's hugely important because it has the most delegates but also because there's a possibility no one else gets fifteen percent statewide other than sanders including Biden. And if that happens sanders will have a very large dow in the hundreds delegate lead Before Gary left on his trip he asked me who to keep an eye on. I said footage so that tells you about where I'm at right now. I wasn't wrong to keep an eye on footage because he did drop out so smart did he. And I know but I think he will endorse Biden at some point Because they are all afraid of sanders the dynamic of the races this sanders almost certainly must be stopped will end this process. June through the end of the process with the most delegates now is it. The most by three hundred is the most by fifty. I don't know. Does he have nine hundred ninety one? In which case all this is moot. Because he'll be the nominee oh So the issue is. How do you limit his number of delegates and the theory? Is You unite behind one person. I think that is at this point somewhat remarkably given that he finished fourth fifth and second winning. Yeah it looks currently like Joe Biden because the only other alternative really is Michael Bloomberg and I just don't think that Democrats are going to rally around a guy who was a Republican. You know ran for office as a Republican. I just no matter how much money you have so I think the if you are not wanting to San for sanders to win you need Bloomberg to get out in the next couple of days. Ammos spending all that money. Sure but it's nothing I mean. Yes he spent six hundred million. He'll probably spend a billion dollars. But it's it's immaterial him. I know that that's insane to say but it is true. You need him to get out in the next couple of days. You need to get out in the next couple of days and you need Warren to stay in as long as possible to Siphon. Is Kobe charge? She's running for vice president. Now what is she doing exactly? What Ewing Use Code People? I think she is staying in through tomorrow because she thinks she can win. Minnesota her home state and then maybe if she wins Minnesota then she gets out sort of Warren's GonNa lose her home state I think very tomorrow in Massachusetts to Sanders I don't know exactly what she's doing to be candid. Okay but if she thinks it's going to be a a brokered convention and all bets are off. Yeah well that's still the Warriors Theory in Warren Theory is it's going to be brokered convention. Meaning no one. We'll have nine hundred ninety one nine elegant one thousand nine hundred one delegates and that means no one went on the first ballot the last time we've gone to multiple ballots in a Democratic presidential primaries. Do you know just as a trivia question do knock nine hundred fifty two Ashley Stevenson on the third ballot That if it's if it's contested than why not stay into Gary's point and have six seven eight hundred delegates and say who who wants my support. Or Maybe I. Should you know the Dick Cheney? I did a comprehensive search for a vice president and is bounded to be me. Yeah so I still think Bernie is By far the most likely nominee I I think if he's at eighteen hundred delegates it's GonNa be very hard to take it from him is people rightly would be. I up in arms Okay which by the way gives us six more months of Larry David. Yeah which is good. Doing Bernie
Donald Trump Roasted Over Airport Gaffe During Salute To Revolutionary War
"There's a lot of news about the fourth of july because trump is receiving flex he's extravagant and heavily choreographed fourth of july celebrations which included on the playlist star wars theme song military flyovers which is where lots of plans go around looking like they're hunting for a parking spot in the crowded mall and a lawsuit bloopers at it's enough to make you feel sorry for trump to feel like he can't do anything but then you realize he can't do anything a he's fourth of july speech betrayed us sort of loose jazz interpretive historical understanding of american war of independence or as the british closed and at the time stop at you'll grounded la la la and noticing a my favorite big was that when he was referring to the fighting force created by the continental congress in seventeen seventy five trump said our army men in rammed the ramparts it took over the airports i mean that is a long sentence to unpack so just meant what what is that i mean lost time someone men we're in my presence i had to open a window and as the second half of that sentence my issue is not so much worthy idea that trump thinks it will seventeen seventy five air force and presumably commercial airport to the duty free ward mullen cost addle section that i mean that's just someone who's been reading too much badly lee written historical fiction and if that's a bad thing komi guilty and put me in a book jail my issue with that sentence is with the rams the rams hot you know what he thinks rampart is i desperately wanna give him a packet of failed to tended making all one for me i'm reading the rand paul it sounds like it might be some kind of maskell some ministry what i'm very useful in modern warfare where round sucker very much involved but yeah it was a you know if it was the trump a you know doris demonstration everything makes america great and to people who disagree with trump it will risks demonstration of everything but it's making america absolutely terrible shows shows how you know country could go while you with the perfect example of where ambition met realism listed he insisted on having tanks but they were too heavy through the part of the ground said he wanted the moms and they just have to sit in the side streets so i don't know about you but a lot of military palm it's it's i think it's a necessary thing in twenty nineteen i mean wherever i go tactical deformed m and i just have to look this up you know so i i looked up emperors who may crazy entrances to the trump embrace that kind of emperor like palm m i found this guy in mongolia who go con relative of the wellstone memorial day which dick cheney's column i he used to enter rooms everytime celebrate a military victory when he entered
From A Napkin To A White House Medal The Path Of A Controversial Economic Idea
"Economists art Laffer is set to receive the medal of freedom today from President Trump laugher helped popularize the notion that tax cuts can pay for themselves through faster economic growth, Ronald Reagan's former budget director David Stockman calls laugher, quote, the greatest fake economists to ever come down the pike and quote, NPR's, Scott Horsely reports aren't Lavers journey to the nation's highest civilian honour began forty five years ago with around of drinks in Washington. Cocktail lounge laugher, a young economist time was trying to persuade president Ford's deputy chief of staff, the guy named Dick Cheney that lowering taxes could actually boost government revenue art was trying to explain to janey how to laugh or curve works. Grace Marie Turner. A reporter who was there says Cheney wasn't getting it right away. So laugh a resorted to a visual aid, how he sketched out this Laffer curve on a paper cocktail napkin at the hotel Washington just across the street. From the White House. The Ford administration never embraced laugher philosophy, but Ronald Reagan did taxes story and Bruce, Bartlett says the namesake curve that laugher sketched that day provided intellectual cover for Reagan's nineteen Eighty-one tax cut, basically, it was a way to have your cake and eat it too. Bartlett, who later worked in the Reagan White House says in those days, Republicans pushing tax cuts still had to pay lip service to fiscal responsibility. So if you wanted to have a tax cut either had to pay for it by raising other taxes, cutting spending, or come up with some gimmick elect laugh recurs to simply assert, that it wouldn't lose revenues, despite laugh assurances the Reagan tax cuts did lose revenue. And while the economy, eventually boomed deficits soared Reagan was ultimately forced to reverse about half the cuts today. Most serious Republican economists dismissed the idea that tax cuts pay for themselves through faster. Economic growth, but sociologist Elizabeth pot. Berman of SUNY. Albany says the Laffer curve has none. The less stuck around, once you take those kinds of ideas and put them poorly into the political sphere, they sort of take on a life of their own in two thousand twelve the state of Kansas paid laugher, seventy five thousand dollars to help then governor Sam Brownback craft his own tax cut, laboratory NPR's planet, money, cutting taxes would do great things for the Kansas Konami more employment. More put more production. You're more jobs created in Kansas. They'll be more payroll taxes. It didn't work out that way, anti McKay who was head of the Kansas center for economic growth says despite Lavers promises state revenues plunged by six hundred million dollars and job growth lagged, his voice was nowhere to be heard when we were undergoing nine consecutive rounds of budget cuts credit downgrades, there wasn't any part of the state budget that wasn't being used to prop up his failed tax, experiment state. Lawmakers eventually reverse the tax cuts laugher insisted they just needed more time to work. He continues to chant. In tax cuts at the federal level a month after president trumps election laugher told morning edition corporate taxes should be cut dramatically dropping that tax rate to fifteen percent would have a huge impact on the US economy, and would have very little impact, if any on tax revenues from corporations from businesses congress did slash corporate taxes, although not as far as laugher wanted, and despite a strong economy corporate tax revenues dropped last year by twenty six percent no matter how many times laugher is projections of proven wrong. White House economic adviser, Larry cudlow is unfazed. I know some people agree. And some people may not agree with his views. But, but I'm electric guy a replica of the cocktail napkin. We're laugher. I sketch that curve. Is now on display at this Massoni museum of American history. The grace Marie Turner says that cloth museum-piece is not the original this wasn't a kind of stablishment. It would have had a cloth napkin. And I don't think anybody knows what. Happened to that. Napkin, probably got picked up and carried off when the your glasses were sent back to the bar of fitting in for the Laffer curve as an economic forecasting tool. But when it comes to political marketing the curve, and its creator live on Scott Horsely, NPR news, Washington.
Joe Biden argues Republicans would work with him
"Are very, very, very favorite. Bob Ceska show. I'm Stephanie Miller at six liberal podcast network. You, you said that you wondered why Joe Biden thinks Republicans will behave after Trump leaves office again, I've said over and over I like kill Biden, I will vote blue no matter who but I yeah, I just it really is. Like he's running in a different time, even people from the Obama administration were like what is he talking about, like Mitch McConnell was always an obstruction? Jerk. Right. I mean, well, how does he suddenly think like oh, they're all going to play nice with uncle Joe, right? Yeah. It's good. God. I am really, really conflicted when it comes to Joe Biden Biya's again, I'm not endorsing anybody at this point. I'm not I'm only really only half following the democratic primaries this point, but the fact is that I'm concerned because I think he's on his way to being the nominee. But I don't know if he's up to it because I'm saying that because I think he I don't know. He's on some sort of legacy tour. What does that he's doing, but he doesn't seem to have eat, not putting any elbow grease behind light, but I grew with you. And I get it. I mean, I you know, I think someone said it's make America decent again is kind of what he's in. I understand this Daljit for that for just some kind of normality in normalcy, excuse me, and. You know, indecency again, but yeah, he, I hate to say it, but he does seem a little not just old. You know what I mean? Because that's eight just I know, but just like you're right from a different era, like where Dick Cheney's decent guy, and Mike. Pence is a good guy in these guys will all work with me after Trump's gone. I'm like, no this. It's not just Trump. As you say anymore, as you say all the time, it's Trumpism look all the way down from McConnell to gates in Jordan are buncha Smirke. You know, we just over entitled frat guys, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah. Well, obviously, Joe Biden, forgets eight years of the Barack Obama administration, which is odd because he was part of that administration. I mean the centerpiece of it. And the fact is that Mike God the Republicans were relentless with Barack Obama. Despite the fact that Rogge Obama, basically had zero scandals during his presidency. The Endo indictment foods zero people going to jail zero people being investigated. And but nevertheless, they went after him for God, everything from the fact that he put puts gherkins in exile to the fact that he wore a tan suit. I know about the all sorts of things onto onto Barack Obama and it failed every single time until you think part of the key thing about Mitch McConnell. Joe Biden knows if anybody had a front row seat for the Mitch McConnell, was the one that, you know, C blocked them from saying anything that the American people about Russian interference and is now presently refusing to put forward, any bills to prevent rush. Election interference. He's hoping for it and wanting it and hoping, it's just Joe Biden thinks he's, you know, that guy is going to suddenly be nice guy after the
'Green Book' suffers from Hollywood's Common 'Magical Negro' Problem
"I know we talked about green book Schorr did. But the Oscars are this Sunday. And this will be might win best picture Lord. No Roma please let Roma win. I think we have to talk about it. Because there's one scene that I cannot get out of my mind. Okay. Which one so it's the scene were Tony Villalonga. Who is the Italian American guy from the Bronx who's been hired to drive. Don, Shirley, this black musician, two gigs. Okay. So it's a scene where Tony saves dawn from a bunch of unruly racist at a bar. I mean, I can imagine. What bothered you about that? But why bother you? This scene is meant to teach the audience that the guys that are beating up Don are the real racists. And Tony is kind of like a milk toast racist. He's not that bad of a racist. He's only ever called Don a couple of names behind his back and kind to face and the whole movie up into this point has given you the impression that Tony doesn't like black people. But the moment the movie takes you into the scene in the bar. You understand actually these are the real racist because they're capable of physical violence against someone just because they're black and Tony he's not really a bad guy after all a little bit of needing. He needs a little bit of coaxing. But you know, what he's actually on the right side of things, and you can bring him back over to the right side to the good side of history. And it's inferior eating it's infuriating Wesley. The idea that racism is only bad if it escalates into physical violence, and that's the tiny little microaggressions things that dehumanize. Is and demoralize and stereotype aren't actually really bad types of racism after all, so maybe they get a pass. Right. It feels like a very sanitize seen about racial mix that's designed specifically to make audiences fill better about themselves, and is amazing that you're bringing this up on the weekend of the Academy Awards. Yes. These same Academy Awards in which green book is nominated for five Oscars and is likely to win two or three including picture. Yeah. And you know, it's in company with movies like star is born in the favorite and vice about Dick Cheney, and of course, black klansman and Black Panther, right? Boy, if green book does win it'll be a really good company with the best picture winners of the last thirty years specifically when it comes to films about race, right? I just think America is obsessed with this sort of racial healing fantasy where there is a work that like being near. A black person can do to rehabilitate prejudice people and all that rubbing up against yelling at friction tension touching. Hugging. Driving will bring him to the light. Right. It's its own trope. Yeah. Right. What other films in the past have done this? What are you thinking about? I don't know. I mean, if we're just staying in the in the thirty year window, something like Forrest Gump. Ninety four win best picture ninety five the story of the very simple man name. Forrest Gump mom, always said life was lack of box chocolates sits on a bench and start just talking to anybody who sits down next to him about his his life. Never know what you're going to get. He winds up befriending. This other guy named Bubba Goodall. Bubba good day. You can catch pounds. Shrimp. Shrimp is the fruit of deceit. You can vote ball broad bike it so both have the same IQ. But the point is that force is the person on the journey and a person like Bubba is another step along the way. So one of which puts them on campus when George Wallace's denouncing the integration of university of Alabama. Right. And part of that sequence when Vivian Malone was one of the new black students drops her notebook on the way inside the school, the visual effects, people make it. So that forced picks up the notebook enhance it to Vivian. And it's just weird to me. Like, you realize like that like the movies about forest, not Vivian who? I would say has a much more interesting American story to tell. I country is all about and it isn't the forest gets made a better person because of black people. But it is the forest gets to look scans or not even see a lot of the problems in this country, all of which are shoulder by Jenny who played by Robin rate who is near some Black Panthers who do nothing when she's beaten up by her white piece boyfriend, the racial politics. This movie are crazy anyway, all the politics in this movie to be fair are crazy, but they all sort of benefit for his Gump the fantasy here, of course, if you're good enough and simple enough, America's racial problems can be hailed give this movie a best picture Oscar. Okay. I mean, what else crash best picture winner a two thousand six Lord. A movie. So frightening. The Geno worth refuses to watch it facts facts, only, basically, it's one of these race and racism are driving. Everybody in Los Angeles out of their minds, the Persians the Mexicans the white people the black people, but the thing that really takes me out. His you have all of these different people of different races all being nasty to each other because of race, but guess who the redeemed characters are in this movie. Oh my God. I don't even want to know, Sandra. Bullock, of course, like the second biggest racist in the movie, she gets carjacked, by ludicrous and Lorenzo Tate. Maybe I'm Alexis really tough. My think it'd be best. If you just went upstairs random, wait for them to break in. I just had a gun pointed in my favorite lower. Your voice was my fault. Because I knew it was going to happen. But the white person's he's two black men walking towards her. And she turns and walks in the other direction. She's a racist. Right. Well, I. Got scared, and I didn't say anything attend seconds later. I had a gun in my face. Now. I am telling you you're a Migo in. There is going to sell are key to one of his homes and miss time. It'd be really fucking great. If you acted like you actually gave us shit. And then what happens? She falls down the steps on a lot of pain killers or something. And decides at her Mexican-made Maria is her new best friend. I assume area wants to go home. But you know, we don't know 'cause movies out about Maria. It's about Sandra Bullock, but the real star that movie is Matt Dillon racists cop. Matt Dillon feels up Tandy Newton at a traffic doesn't like black people, but certainly put his hands all over a black woman. So she gets into a horrible car crash cars on fire cast who comes in to save the day. Hear me permissible be your. To get an extinguisher. Good that fire. Best supporting actor nomination for that gentleman. Okay. I'll get you out not Dylan approves he's not a racist because he's capable of saving some black person's life. Even after he's violated it and then driving miss daisy. Of this sort of problem. And it wins. Best picture nineteen ninety came out in eighty nine huge hit. Yeah. Better movie than you think. Actually, because I think it understands the thing that you and I are talking about right? There is something inherently impossible about black people and white people being friends at least, according to the way, the country is set up to like have both those friends be equal in the friendship. So it is a story of this old Jewish woman. Daisy were them. Sorry. This old named daisy were than related I hope. hope Not. not. Our son bully hires Hoke Morgan Freeman to drive her. And home nowhere else.
"dick cheney" Discussed on Talk Filmy to Me
"Twenty point four kilograms, you gain bass insane exercises to thicken his neck what exercises. Do you do to thicken your deck? He goes boost when he goes in the. I mean, I had a fact that he's birthdays on the same day as big changed when he sat bearings. Went the Otis pay going to play this frozen disrobe. Now, I have to be born on the same guy. He's the only Roseau play. It's quite interesting because Dick Cheney's, this voice is the first film made by vice person who doesn't income we won't become a president or anything like that. For this film, really just about someone who was the vice president. And that was it. Yeah. That's interesting narrative point with this film, ready film starts off in early seventies with a young big Chinese, and he's still Christian bio, not only put on the why in the look for a specific i-it's range within the Chinese life. He actually done this in a progressive wives. I what he started putting on the white. They went and films the scenes and he's late twenties and stuff like that. And I mean Adams plays. He's wife in this. And basically the film conduct was in one direction in terms of ISSA by pick pint born on the comedy about this this guy who drops out of the public school goes and gets he's an internship at the White House. You can see he's there's this kind of a good going, which is kind of weird when you think about the subject matter light Earl and the pride this guy has about seventies country, and then and then it doesn't work out. And he he does he's iron company, and that sort of stuff and then of see some health scares don't want a guy into sport a territory, but you kinda think the film's going to end. In fact, they literally dropped the credits that give you the illusion of films about end then the fine rings. And he goes to have these mating about potentially becoming the vice president. And then the film kicks on again. So yeah, yeah, I'd mckay's. I fucking stylish guy with stories telling Adam McKay, so's you realize actress babe to fill that they cannot live this world. Yeah. And that's one thing. I think. Sure is about fishes of Christian bio because he very much gets himself involved in the role. So he let about who the policies from the different stages of different years. You knew you knew about every American policy that Dick Cheney was involved with. He learned about what we've mannerisms. He's Banak kit are abbreviations, so he really could fully get and obviously like a lot of our method actors that we see today he engaged that onscreen and offscreen which is pretty incredible. I love that Christian. Bow is that he can never set long. He's accent outside of work. Let he puts on his Bruce Wayne accent for me he done this in the earliest ISIS creek. Because for some reason in England in particular now would hire him unless he put on an American accent? And it's only when he went over to America he actually saw found himself because he was his name is the in America. So just kind of whip. And you think signs Charlie Hannam, right? The guy he already get black a grove over here goes to America, and he's a star on the smash hit TV shows probably in the last decade or so. Awesome. Well as preparation grew. Go with the Sunday night. I know what it is. Butts. I'll have to that in when he was doing these interviews especially over the last because he's one loads of awards specifically for vice and he's put on his cockney accent. So I he was upstate joy or I just wanna fight. Adam darn good job about a while when Australia. Australia. Coke cookie big van. But anyway, bats the film. He like say you went boost the concerns of the analysis and research through the point that actually saved at the Mackay's life. Yes. And at McKay was having symptoms of a heart attack by watching Christian bio and recognize the symptoms within himself went to an IRA got checked out was actually having a mon- heart tree if for that. And then it was sort of film say starts early stages. Kind of at the midway point is when he gets on the ticket. We've all George W and the cost is absolutely fantastic. You've got you've got Steve Rockwell. Well, you've got Start started. your exam..
"dick cheney" Discussed on Talk Filmy to Me
"Voice on this previous podcast. You may have heard him in your cupboard tidying out. But anyway, Jamie of baby see fine. How you doing buddy? Not way. I think probably read is why I've been over for because I keep talking about which. Jamie you'll hear because when I need someone to get the deal done. If you need to release a bunch of water from government that is withholding. I would cool you. That even know where to go. But I just feel spoiled her that for anyway, how you said goodbye, it's good to be back of Mr. potent. This sharing my vast experience and knowledge with the world. Modest as well. Anyway, speaks it modestly. Let's guarantor review. We say. I want you to be a one you Huma vice? George. Must see a large company. I have been secretary of defense. And I have been White House chief of staff vice presidency is a mostly symbolic job. However, if we came to a. Different. Understanding I can handle more Monday. Jobs. So I had to make the nine ring any bells in different people's minds instantly, Finco van command abbey's off blue comedy styles. He also has gone into more of drama comedy direction about eighteen months ago. Direct to the film called the big short, which is a massive on Saambou cast. It was very political satire was about housing market crash and back in eight anyway that kind of lied. He's chops for moving into more of a political direction decided stir film could flies which is the bio pic about Dick Cheney on his route to White House, but not just the room to the White House is live freely and Christian bow is the most notable naive and top of the page because the guy transform these body with plenty of times really recognized in which a nice fucking scary. How much changed these switches? These values issue. Issue before he gained three point two stone as forty five pounds and for our UP viewers. Oh, this is.
"dick cheney" Discussed on At Liberty
"What note to end you're talking about the fact that you're trying to blend some genres there's tragedy there's comedy there's drama you played with the idea of film ending in a few different ways. But I wanna just to hear a bit about how you decided what note to end on and how to close out the film. Well, there's one thing I could probably say not giving anything away is that there's a camera speech from Cheney at the end of the movie where we basically use a lot of snippets of dialogue that he himself has said to defend themselves. And finally after the entire movie turns to camera and looks as dead in the eye, and I really wanted that in there. I really felt like you've watched this whole movie you've seen this whole story. And his argument of I kept you save. I just felt like an audience. Is needed to be hit with that. After that whole movie like g still by this. I've heard people who've seen this speech, and they say they're more horrified than ever heard other people say he does kind of raise a good point. We just felt like we had to lay him out in the end. Like, this is the guy we're looking at. This is his best argument. You've seen all of this. How do you react to it? And it's been fascinating. I've heard almost a dozen different reactions to many different interpretations to it. Then there's another little thing we do after our end credits where we do almost like a little doodle like a living political cartoon that comes way later in the credits. And that was just you know, it's crushing story. It's very tragic story, and I didn't want an audience to slink out at the theater feeling completely demoralized. And I think sometimes when we're able to laugh or we're able to have some perspective. It does give us some strength. So there's a lot of discussion about the tone of the ending of the movie, and is obviously a lot of tragedy with it. But I also wanted to remind us. Stay buoyant with it. So there's a little joke in the end just about the split times. We live in the Trump people versus the what they would call the liberals kind of endlessly fighting, and then some other people going God him so tired of this. Let's just go watch a movie, which you know, in some ways is a self indictment of me and the movie you've just watched and at the same time just a light little. Bittermann after a very very heavy meal. So yeah, there's like three different endings. I also liked the idea that, you know, with our form of our movie, we don't hear any traditional form things are very open ended, and I kind of liked the ending of the movie feels like it almost bleeds into reality. As you walk out of the theater that was the intention, anyway, it's up to every viewer to decide how they feel about it. But that's what we were trying to do you mentioned that the opening that reading the news may telling this story, he'll more urgent what exactly about this story. Do you think resonates today, and what lessons beyond, you know, the tonal note on what to end on what sort of lessons? Did you want the audience to come away with? Well, there's one that I feel is pretty pressing and urgent. And while we were making the movie got louder and louder and you with the you would know much more about it that I would. Although it did do a fair amount of research on it. And that's the unitary executive theory. And I do think there's a slow quiet kind of fifth level chess game going on where the reason they wanted Cavanaugh so badly in the supreme court was because he's a huge believer in strong interpretation of the unitary executive theory. And now they're seeing Ruth Bader Ginsburg her health start to fail if they get a person on there because they have four right now with varying degrees of belief in radical interpretation of the executive theory. They get a fifth on there. That's majority. And that means there could be a case that comes before the supreme court where the president is flagrantly guilty of criminal behavior. And if that court hands down a majority decision citing the unitary executive theory mean that president can't be charged. That could be a death blow to our democracy. I mean, my theory is legally the way democracy ends in this country is through the unitary executive theory..
"dick cheney" Discussed on At Liberty
"It's always kind of thrilling thing we really made an effort to always show the effects of them walking down a hallway looking at paperwork, and it really starts with them being in the White House and kind of gossiping in the hallway rooms in janey about the bombing of Cambodia, and we right away tried to show that that's not some extract. Discussion we go right to an actual village being bombed, and we did the same thing with the Iraq war. It's not nervous, George W Bush reading that. We're talking the country. It's an actual family cowering under a table in Baghdad and the tortures real easy people really screaming that these decisions have impacts. And that was our attempt to get out of that kind of good syndrome was really show the suffering. That's going on. If you re cut the movie goodfellas and added six percent more suffering on the side of their victims. It becomes a very different movie. And we really made an attempt to do that. No, I think it's quite powerful to see the juxtaposition of the impact of these decisions that are made thousands of miles away. But you do still get the impression despite the fact that there are tragic consequences to what he's doing in some ways, he never really sets a foot wrong. And I wonder how you made that decision especially in light of the fact that there were lots of people at the elsewhere who are fighting very hard against a lot of these policies. Oh, yeah. I mean, it no way through what he does during the sinus vice president in no way, or we saying is operating with impunity. If you look at the way, he's acting. He's still being tricky. I mean, he's still like what he needs those energy CEO's. He finds a little bit of a loophole in the law like when they start working the intelligence on the Iraq war, they're working from inside without a strong free press without the ACO, you you would have him doing this in the light of day. But he couldn't that's why point. Two million emails disappeared when he left off. That's why hundreds of thousands of documents that he refused to turn over. There's a story about the energy commission to one of the other loopholes that said that you can't need in the same room. So we were so tempted to put this in the movie, but they actually did a meeting with an energy CEO where he would stand outside the doorway, and they would talk to him. But he was very crafty. All that kind of tap dancing around the law. But yeah, there was certainly people who do what he was up to. They knew something was a foul. You see it in the movie too. When there's the freedom of information act. I think it's from the Sierra Club. And they got the maps of the Iraqi oilfields off those energy commission meetings. So they're definitely as pushback going on. And then by the end of about six years the country did start figuring out through the efforts of once again. Great journalist, great coverage is you know, you activists everyone did start to figure out boy these guys have really mess stuff up. And I mean finally, it was the economy clubs, and it's the one thing you can't cover up. So yeah, if I gone the road of showing vigilant constitutional warriors fighting against him that comes kind of different movie I wanted to show his craftiness, but there's no way operated with impunity was very tricky. Very quiet very light on its toes game that he ran when he was in the White House just about influence and unspoken influence, and he really lived in the cracks of the system that was my interpretation one other team. I wanted to bring up with the inclusion of the story about his daughter when his daughter Mary came out of the closet that was what when might consider redeeming moment for him for large parts of the audience where he accepted his daughter when she told him that she was a lesbian later on in the film. We see the sort of power over everything piece of his character show through can you talk about why you decided to highlight the story with his daughter in particular, and maybe tell us how that turns out one thing you'd hear about Dick Cheney through. Our research over and over again, he's great father does all the cooking for the family. Does the shopping. He loves his daughter. He loves his wife that he is a dedicated that his family is everything..
"dick cheney" Discussed on At Liberty
"And pretty quickly we discovered with Cheney having two parents that were strong strong democrat. Pat's and actually by all accounts Cheney not really being interested in politics, when he was younger, not really having a strong point of view, the turning point for Cheney really became meeting Donald Rumsfeld who was probably one of the most ambitious people in Washington DC at that point. So at that point the story became about Lynn and dick getting a taste for power and liking power. And I couldn't find a consistent ideology, they were willing to be just lightly against the Vietnam war with Rumsfeld because serve their purposes to counteract Kissinger. But then when they're in the forty ministration they were willing to be very hawkish on Russia because that served a way to expand their power. So the perfect manifestation of that is the unitary executive theory strong interpretation of the unitary executive theory because that is all about expanded unchecked powers, and for those who aren't familiar the unitary executive theory is basically the idea that the president has almost unchecked power to direct the executive branch. Particularly during crisis to even call it. A theory is probably giving it a little too much credit. And it's no mistake that Dick Cheney was drawn to it like a mosquito to alight. And it became one of the driving forces of his career. It's what brought him together with David Addington, his lawyer or some people call them Cheney's brain, and you see constantly throughout his career attempts to expand executive reach expand executive theory to operate without transparency to operate with impunity. So that really became the kind of center of the legal side for us when it came to Dick Cheney, that's really helpful framework who was in the come from how do the rise so fast, and then what was the role of ideology versus career is maybe like to take those intern. And and unpack them a bit in terms of where he came from one thing that I noted about this is that you actually don't go much into his background. And you mentioned that his parents were strong Democrats. But that is not actually in the film. It's an interesting tidbit. But how did you decide when to start his story which is? After he's already dropped out of college is very little about his family or his upbringing. Well, that was one of the hardest parts of the movie we originally had filmed the whole section about him meeting. Lynn falling in love. We did mention the parents. But it just we test screen the movie, and it kinda just lay there. And the reason it lays there is just a it's goes back to basic storytelling the Canucks it's not really an active choice by Dick Cheney. He's not the protagonist of his first act. And it's really Lynn Vincent story. The first act because you look at Dick Cheney's, brother and sister, they had very very normal lives. I think the brother was a plumber it's hard to find much about them. But I'm convinced if Cheney hadn't met Lynn, he would have spent the rest of his life in Wyoming, probably would have been alignment, maybe gone to community college. And it was just not an active beginning to the story. The real active beginning is when he's screwing up, and she says get it together or I'm gone. And in that moment, you see her Embiid, and you see that she's an unusual forceful strong woman for those times. And you see that he really does rob her and he's going to do this for her. So yeah, there's a lot of discussion lot of different cuts about it. But instead we ended up rest in on that scene and making that scene kind of do a lot of that work for us. Believe me, I would have loved to have done a two hour forty five minute version of the movie, but we felt like that moment kind of crystallize a lot of what I just said. And the idea of him being a democrat is parents were Democrats. I don't think he really cared. He was pretty ambivalent. I mean, he did a little bit of internship work when he was university of Wisconsin for like, a Republican governor. But for the most part didn't seem driven by any kind of ideology, and by all accounts, and I think he's even said it it was when he saw Donald Rumsfeld that he's like whatever that guy is..
"dick cheney" Discussed on At Liberty
"Comedy world. Mckay's credits include Saturday Night Live funnier die and the big short. Today will be talking to him about his latest film vice which he wrote and directed and has been nominated for eight Academy Awards, including best picture best director and best original screenplay. Vice tells the story of Dick Cheney as played by Christian bale during his journey from college dropout to becoming the most powerful and probably the most controversial vice president in American history. We'll discuss why he chose to tell this story now and Cheney's legacy ten years after the end of the George W Bush administration, Adam thanks very much for joining us today. Welcome to the podcast. Thank summers. Very good to be here. The question I wanted to start off with is how did you decide to tell this story? Now, what drew you to this story of Dick Cheney? You know, I finished up doing the big short and we had done all the publicity tour and award shows. And that thing happened that our bodies tend to do where all of a sudden it just got really sick for like two and a half weeks at a nasty flu. And I started looking at bookshelves, you know, people give you books through the years, and you just shoved him up there and don't really think about him. And there was one about Dick Cheney, and it kinda struck me like, wow. The book of history is about to close on that guy. Like, you don't really hear his name mention that much more, and you don't hear W Bush's name really mentioned and holy cow. Those were just rough eight years, and we went to war and the economy collapsed, and torture and all these things, and I you know, I follow the news. So I knew some stuff about him. But I just I curious, and I started reading and was kind of amazed by what a large epic. American tale. Chinese life story is how far back it reaches. How many monumental moments in history? He was around for this like Zelic like presence the seventies through the eighties. And then of course, I was amazed by how I gotta give him credit brilliant. He was it manipulating the system and playing the system once he became vice presidents in his understanding of the bureaucracy and the laws and how to squeeze between the cracks on them. So that he could acquire more power. And I kept reading more and more books and the story kept getting richer and richer and then somewhere along that line. Donald Trump got elected. And all of a sudden, we started hearing people say, hey, I kinda miss George W Bush. He wasn't that bad Tim and Cheney, and I really felt like I gotta make the movie I was like this crazy that people are saying this, and that was it. We were off to the races. It's really interesting to think about the different reactions you've received I've talked to others who've seen the film for whom. This was revisiting a bad memory. But there are many other folks some younger people for whom this is the first introduction to this story, which audience did you have in mind as you're making it you said that you were worried that the book of history might close was primarily targeted that younger. Folks are not so familiar with this story. I didn't really think about the specific audience. I mean, I knew certainly professional journalists and scholars quite a bit about. So it wasn't targeted at them as much, but I was hoping to just re-engage the conversation or another way to look at it is in the film world there really hadn't been any movies made about him. There is W L over stone that glanced on his character. But that was about it. And there's certainly some great documentaries. But there was no real film. And I just wanted to make sure that what happened was marked down in the film ledger. And as. It's turned out. You're correct. The most exciting responses I've been getting those really are from younger people in that ranges from teenagers all the way to early thirties of a neighbor who's has son who's fourteen years old? And he's watched the movie four times of a lot of people come up to me at screenings and say, you know, I was too young for those on my God..
"dick cheney" Discussed on Fresh Air
"But the last note on that first line is like a major chord. So it's interesting you bring that up because the, you know, I'm I'm very I guess he is obsessed with the with the feelings that different harmonies can give us and the opening chord in that piece is a it's interesting because it's it's a c minor seven court, but it's actually in an inversion. So in a way, it it kind of functions as both almost a major or a minor. And there are a lot of moments in the score where I'm I'm kind of playing with both of those. So the the music you would Beale street. It strikes me that you want. You didn't want the music to overpower the characters I'm going to compare that to music that you wrote for vice the the the Adam McKay movie. About Dick Cheney, and I wanna play like the cr- the opening credit theme of your okay for vice? And I this is it's a very turbulent theme. You know, it's it's it's piano and becomes increasingly discordant as it goes on. And you know, it basically says like things aren't going to be going quite right. Exactly. So so let's hear the opening credit theme from vice and this music is composed by my guest, nNcholas retail, and the movie is nominated for an Oscar for best film. It's part of the opening credit music from the film vice music composed by my guest, nNcholas brutal. So I I love a piece of music. I'd listen to that in a concert hall. Thank you. Thank you. Tell us about what you were trying to do with it. So that actually was the last thing I wrote for vice before we finished the film and from the very beginning. I talked to Adam at a Macaire director of vice and had I worked with Adam on the big short and from early on his his first ideas, you know, we were talking with this first ideas that kind of you know, you receive this guidance from a director when they have an instinct, and his instinct was this is the story is so large, you know, not only vice the story of of Dick Cheney this man is rise through Washington and the repercussions of his actions. It's also really the story of America over the past fifty sixty years, and thus it's clearly also the story of America's impact on the world over the of those years. So this is such a large story that Adam felt, you know, we need a symphonic scope, it has to be, you know, we should have a large sim. Why don't you write a symphony, you know, for this movie, and it's amazing opportunity. Also question of a what? What is that symphony sound like like were I to raise? And so I thought to myself, you know, I think we have in our new back of our minds sense of is there an American symphonic sound, you know, there are certain things that that we may think of when we when someone says what's an American symphonic sound. And I think there's also an idea we have of like a hero's journey. What is it hero's journey sound? Like, you know, maybe it's a brass fanfare something like that. But I felt right away. The this isn't that movie. You know, this is a movie that has distance to it. It's the distance has to be integral woven into the nature of the the notes themselves. So actually started to experiment with ideas where I could take a melodic idea. Let's say and would if I inserted the quote wrong notes. You know, what if I said, here's a heroic fem-, but these notes wrong, so we're constantly feeling. Rub. You know, there's a distance somewhere, and I actually used distance as a sort of guiding principle where. Every piece in the score has a dissonance. Let's talk about writing the score for moonlight..
"dick cheney" Discussed on Slate's Culture Gabfest
"Best prosthesis statement edition. It's Wednesday January thirtieth two thousand nineteen on today's show. Vice is the Dick Cheney bio pit from writer director Adam McKay the man behind the big short. It's also part of our pre-oscar mop up series. And then Netflix is teen comedy sex education tells the story of sex therapist, mom and her nerdy pup- sign and finally in the age of streaming some hits are hidden hits. They achieve massive download numbers we discuss whether that's meaningful at all. With slates owned. Tv critic will pass him. Joining me today is Julia Turner who is of course, deputy editor the LA times deputy managing their stave off managing editor. Oh my God. On that slope. And then he slid back now otherwise known around the office as vice? Okay. And of course, slates from critic Dana Stevens Dana. Hey, steven. Let's dig right in he started out as an Ivy league. No good, Nick became Donald Rumsfeld's, lackey in the Nixon and forty years. He was kind of a Mr. Lady Macbeth a coat tail rider TB kind of a cipher, but he turned out to be a mean bureaucratic in fighter and in some people's estimations heat to use such extreme language. But maybe I don't an American Aikman of banality who was in the last analysis, quite evil, undeniably. Dick, Cheney's fingerprints are all over our world, particularly when it comes to permanent war climate change in inequality. Vice is the new movie from Adam McKay of the big short tells the story of squat ugly men in squat ugly buildings administering to a haphazard. And in some respects, quite poisonous American empire at the center of the movie in a courageous weight gain performances Christian bale, he has covered in. Latex. It looks like a brisket is stuck in one of his many chins, the movie takes us through not only Dick Cheney's life. But a kind of God awful liturgy of the past thirty years, especially the manipulation of PTSD from nine eleven that gave us the Iraq war on totally false pretenses. Why don't we listen to a clip? I want you to be my VP. Use Lucien of a problem. The vice presidency is mostly a symbolic job. Right, right. I can see how that went. Enticing. However. The vice presidency is also defined by president. If we were to come to a. Different understanding. I'm listening..
"dick cheney" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"I don't know a lot of the people that are concerned with with that theory of conveniently died so conveniently or not. But it's it's one of these things that I think we can say this is dangerous. This is fake news. People are going to believe this. That is always been the case people people think. Avatars true. So it's it's what's important is that we're discussing what's important is that we're questioning these things and there are blowing realities out there. I'm sure and if a film wants to get hold of it and give it a good shake, then then we're better for it. But I mean in something like vice which is basically entertainment saying this this is, you know, was there anything in there that that really struck? You is factually problematic. No, not really because I mean, the great thing about Dick Cheney is that he is he disappears. Even though he's very very powerful. He's kind of an invisible, man. And I think that that's why ETA McKay was was did such a good job with with this. Because nobody really knew Dick Cheney looked like until Christian bale decided to show us and Christian. Was just weird. But also, the vice president has never been as as as the the movie says has never been a very hands on role. It's always looks a little bit. Like just in case, the president dies, or if he doesn't want to go to an event, the vice will go, and I think it's interesting to see that. It's possible the device could actually get more power than normally allotted. Some people think films about historical figures have a responsibility to the truth similar to newspaper, for instance. But I shouldn't assume audiences cheated should we? Yeah. We, but we should I think I go into a movie you don't want to sit there and have a lesson. You know, you want to be entertained. You wanna be an intrigued an as a journalist? I know that when I'm writing something I choose the facts that I want to use. So I'm not going to give you the whole argument. Number one time number two. I don't have all the facts. In fact, nobody does. So I think it's it's silly to suggest that a documentary is very close to the fact at all because it is a way of showing you a set of facts. So that aside is that a good movie. Should we go and see it? Yes. I was really not looking for it. I'm american. I wasn't looking forward to seeing it. It's hugely entertaining. It's fast. It's pacey. It's funny and it's an eye opener. Absolutely. Karen, Crisanto vich. Thank you very much. Lead. And that's vice which I understand is on on general release at the moment. Not. So we have time for today. Thanks to offer. Jesus Ben Ryland and Daniel bait research is today with patrons and mainly Evans, an Ostade marriage. It was David Stevens. Now up to the headlines. There's much more music on the way, Ben Ryland will be returning with the continental shift. Lots of great music coming up. Looks K pop guaranteed and various other pieces from ROY the world. The briefing is live at midday. That's London time. And then the glibness will return at the same time tomorrow. I'm Georgina Godwin. Thank you for listening..
Netflix's 'Roma' is the Critics' Choice. Will It Be Oscar's too?
"Is the big winner. At this year's critics choice awards the net flix film about a housekeeper in one thousand nine hundred seventy s Mexico City picking up the best picture award. Also, earning the director, a trophy Roma has also won best foreign film and best cinematography Christian bow earned best accurate award for portraying Vice President Dick Cheney in vice
"dick cheney" Discussed on This Is Only A Test
"She's an avid podcast. Choose it down this weekend. And we had a ton of fun. And we went and saw we saw two movies. Maybe we even saw three moves. We did. We went and center divers. No didn't see spider versus sorry live. We went and saw a vice which is so good. We came home and watch the big short. Good just a mess. If you haven't seen big came out. I have I was shocked by how much better it was than I remembered the big short is nothing short of a masterpiece. And I feel like Adam McKay is. Like so from the. Towers, I feel like ks like someone said to him. Available credit default swaps, and he said take that bet. Yeah. So what else you does it impossible subject to make a movie out of the monster Dick Cheney, and he said, I'll take that back to real or you distance yourself from the events. I you so I was afraid going into it. So when I saw the trailer I turned to my wife, and I was like, I'm not ready to feel any sympathy for this monster Cheney's, I change is always been the blackest villain in my mind of that whole period, and the movie does not soften Cheney one bit it. It's an incredible portrait Christian bale is mind blowing in did you see it? So I saw everything I know about vices contained in what I saw on the Golden Globes early this week which consisted of me learning that it was about George Bush and Dick Cheney. Thinking man, how they really made Christian bale. Look like, George Bush is almost like Sam Rockwell in this movie, and then being being wait is Dick Cheney is Christian bale. Dick Cheney also Amy Adams is roughly she's always as she's always could she's credible in this film. It's really worth watching. Then we saw crazy rich Asians, which I which I very -joyed. I mean, I I can't remember if you said this. But someone told me it's basically a Stanley dawn in film. It's like watching singing in the rain. That's the shown China to who directed. He directed. Start off with music videos, and he did like the Justin Bieber film. And so he his whole thing is that don't stop believing. I think so step once. Okay. So it is the transitions all there's so many ways in which I can see him using Stanley, Don in color palettes as inspiration, and you really feel at any moment in crazy, rich, Asians that. So about to break into song. Right. It's on. Exactly. Yeah. But it's delightful feather blow on it, and it disappears. The plot doesn't have a lot of meat on. It's a fun up. Look there was. Yeah. But the Mahjong seen the Mahjong scene is fantastic. Yeah. There was a really good article that I read last week about the prop the prop design like the prop master and how they how they actually managed you the props for that movie. Because when he well, so they didn't have the budget to actually buy and rent, the jewelry and cars and furs and all the things that they did a lot of the shooting was unbelievably constrained by time. So they'd have like I've said of earrings for four hours one day and the money for the security guy for that set of half million dollar earrings ran out that shoot was over. And they had to of that. In two scenes, they shoot those scenes back about. Yeah. And bang. It out really fast. It was it was there were great. I mean, everybody knows the story of about Michelle ios ring. Yes. Was the know the rain changing degree, Jake rang. It was her personal property her personal rail. I didn't realize she herself after one of the effort. She buys yourself a gift for each of her movies. And that was one of her. I'll buy her Gifty. I'm afraid that Michelle Yeoh will never love me as much as I love Trevor many of us. Yeah. It was I'll dig up the Lincoln center. You know, maybe it was really fascinating. Awesome. After we recorded last week and talked about free solo. I did watch mirror. Yeah. Okay. Amazing. Oh my God. And then how about the first? So it's like halfway to movie when you first hear Jimmy Choo curse and Eurasian Jimmy sorry when you hear him curse, and you realize this him unhinged..
"dick cheney" Discussed on Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project
"She's an avid podcast. Choose it down this weekend. And we had a ton of fun. And we went and saw we saw two movies. Maybe we even saw three moves. We did. We went and center the verse. No, we didn't see versus sorry live. We went and saw a vice which is so good. We came home and watch the big short. Good just a mess. If you haven't seen big since that came out. I have I was shocked by how much better it was than I remembered the big short is nothing short of a masterpiece. And I feel like Adam McKay is. Like, so. Towers, I feel like ks like someone said to him. Credit default swaps, and he said, I'll take that bet. Yeah. So what else you does it impossible subject to make a movie out of the monster Dick Cheney, and he said, I'll take that bet to real or you distance yourself from the events. I you so I was afraid going into it. So when I saw the trailer I turn to my wife, and I was like, I'm not ready to feel any sympathy for this monster Cheney's, I I- is always been the blackest villain in my mind of that whole period, and the movie does not soften Cheney one bit it. It's an incredible portrait Christian bale is mind blowing in did you see it? So I saw everything I know about vices contained in what I saw on the Golden Globes early this week which consisted of me learning that it was about George Bush. Dick cheney. Thinking, oh, man. Really made Christian bale. Look like, George what she lives almost like Sam Rockwell in this movie, and then being being wait is Dick Cheney is Christian bale. Dick Cheney also Amy Adams is roughly she's always as she's always could. She's in this film. It's really worth watching. Then we saw crazy rich Asians, which I which I very enjoyed. I mean, I I can't remember you said this. But someone told me it's basically a Stanley dawn in film. It's like watching singing in the rain. That's the shown to who directed it. He directed. Start off with music videos, and he did like the Justin Bieber film. And so he that's his whole thing is that don't stop believing. I think so doesn't step up once. Okay. So it is the transitions all there's so many ways in which I can see him using Stanley, Don and color palettes as inspiration. And you really feel at any moment in crazy rich Asians that Soanes about your break into song. Exactly. Yeah. But it's delightful. Feather blow on it, and it disappears. The plot doesn't have a lot of meat on. It's fun up. Look up at the Mahjong seen the Mahjong scene is fantastic. Yeah. There was a really good article that I read last week about the prop the prop design the prop master and how they how they actually managed you the props for that movie. Because when he well, so they didn't have the budget to actually buy and rent, the jewelry and cars and furs and all the things that they did a lot of the shooting was unbelievably constrained by time. So they'd have like I've said of earrings for four hours one day and the money for the security guy for that set of half million dollar earrings ran out that shoot was over. And they had to the The rest rest of of that that. in two scenes, they shoot those scenes backed about. Yeah. And bang. It out really fast. It was there were great. I mean, everybody knows the story of about Michelle ios ring was the, you know, the rain changing green, Jake rang. It was her personal prop her personal rail. I didn't realize she herself after one of the move for. She buys yourself a gift for each of her movies. And that was one of her. I'll buy her a gift. Yeah. I'm afraid that Michelle Yeoh will never love me as much as I love her. Trevor many of us. Yeah. It was I'll dig up the Lincoln. You know, maybe it was really fascinating. Awesome. After we recorded last week and talked about free solo. I did watch mirror. Yeah. Okay. Amazing..
"dick cheney" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK
"Beautiful nine. I'm just saying. Allison church of Satan, praising Christian Bale's, golden boar award after the actor thanked Satan in his acceptance speech. Wow. I didn't see that. I know you didn't. But that's pretty that's not real Christian bale won't bring you to play right now. Upon winning best actor motion picture comedy or musical portrayal of. And this is what just grinds my gears number one that you thanks Satan. Okay. Number two. Why you think Satan? Like like, there's a good reason. Okay. Well, if it had been this, and you could have thank Satan. But yeah, I can't think of a good reason to thank Satan. But anyhow, that's just me best actor to motion picture comedy was for Taylor. Former Vice President Dick Cheney. Bale told the audience in the millions watching at home. Well, I'll play it for you here here. He is Christian Bank you to that Geezer over there. Adam. Essay. He said, I'll go find somebody. You know, you're in good with the guy if you call him an old Geezer in front of millions of people national TV. Did you just call me? No. The dog is Yankee, oh, geeze out real voice. Ooh. Got that accent. Thank you all Geza clearly is from the. Apart? Yeah. Canoga park over there. Adam. ACA? Shady shady. Find somebody you can you can be absolutely charisma-free LA that worked and reviled by everybody. So he went ask OBI bio? Thank you. And if ruled competition, I will be cooler in the market on charisma free, and they believed it out because you have to curse 'cause that's the wacky thing to do. Now front of a national audience. Hey, they'll just bleep it out. It's so come so cool. I'll use curse I know this families watch, but I'm just gonna curse because they'll bleep, but that's what it's come to probably an accident. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. I'm sure it was a lot of callers that accident drop a little something. Yeah. Well, here.
"dick cheney" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"Go see the new movie that is all about Dick Cheney. I admire the film. Producers I admire the screenplay authors. I'm not sure I admire what Christian bale said yesterday at the Golden Globes to Satan giving me. On how to play this role. But he certainly looks like Dick Cheney and I'm hearing nothing but good things. Jennifer, have you heard anything regarding vice and whether or not it's worth going to see in the theaters, wait. I mean, I've heard some people thought it was interesting but Cheney as as a personality, I mean, I'm just I'm just a fan of the I would like to sit and have a couple of cocktails Dick Cheney. I frankly, just to see an undisclosed location or wherever you seems like it'd be a fascinating guy. And I'm sorry to hear that Kristen Bill compared former vice president to Satan. But as to be expected, I suppose from Christian bale, there is an interesting scene in there where Amy Adams playing his wife tells them, you know, I I have a professor and two other guys would be with me. I've heard that clip that's based on Cheney get in one or two DUI, Wyoming when he was, you know, working after I gave was thrown out of Yale or quit, Yale or something. But Dick Cheney fascinating guy. And there's a lot to be learned about Dick Cheney. Still I would imagine as the years progress here there's a couple of mysteries. And I want to go to our go to guy for all things supreme court a regular contributor brand new on this program. This timeslot Erich Segal who's down there at the university of Georgia. And he is a knows all things supreme court, and he has a new book out called originalism as faith. I've read his his his book previously the case against the supreme court, which is terrific. We welcome back to the program Erich Segal here on WLS. So do you know, why did the chief Justice John Roberts intervene in the molar probe and what's going on here? I know that the press is all worked up about this. How is he getting himself involved in this? Do we know anything? Hey, john. Thanks for having me a couple of things that no no one knows anything about it Mueller. If Mueller is anything he runs the tightest ship. I think I've ever seen in public life. I mean, there are never leaks. The supreme court doesn't like anything almost ever. We don't know. Anything anybody who says they knew anything is lying either way? Just Georgia State University of Georgia and sorry, vice I saw vice on Saturday nuts, which is saying, and I will tell you. They got some legal stuff really wrong, really wrong. So it makes me wonder about the I I'm not unlike you, and you just inspires you. I'm no Dick Cheney fan, but they got some things wrong. So as drama it was fine as reality not so much. Well, also, the filmmakers wanted it to be a dark comedy. It's not a documentary. I was just I was with the people. All smart informed. Adults. None of us thought. It was a comedy. I mean, there's an interesting movie beautifully acted Christian bale guy, give credit sack he acted, you know, but but the legal stuff they talked about there wasn't much in there was wrong. So it does make me wonder about the authenticity of the rest. They just do. They portray George W Bush is a doofus. I assume they do unlikable deuces. Okay. Well, I happen to think he he's much smarter than he's given credit foreign in a Dick Cheney to Eric. I wanted to move on to Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She apparently didn't make oral arguments this week. What does that tell us? Well, she's obviously at home recovering from her surgery. She had a few weeks ago. She's a pancreatic cancer survivor. She's in rabies what we don't know how she is. Because again, the supreme court doesn't tell us these things I will say this, John you, and I talked about this before this is not Ruth gator boost beta Ginsburg specific, but it is she brings it up now. The idea that that she gets to decide when she was on. You've called for term limits for supreme court Justice. I mean, how our country becomes a different country. It's she, you know, passes away or or resigns or was too sick to serve and and it shouldn't be random like this. It just shouldn't be. And by the way, she's not going to quit, no matter what the two thousand twenty no matter how and this has happened before Justice Rehnquist, frankly was too sick to serve and continued to serve there were a number of Justice Marshall same thing. This is not a partisan issue. John democrat Republican Bill. What last thing? Our supreme court justices are the only judges in the free world who serve on a high court for life. When you tyrod John Roberts. Or course appointed by a Republican dominated by a Republican is he the new swing vote. Yes. Now, what that means though, when Kennedy was the swing vote we had a lot of surprises. And you know, the big cases we often didn't know. Here's the swing vote. But he's the swing vote two standard deviations to the right of Justice Kennedy, unless unless he does like he did in the first of all Macaire and decides it is his job to moderate the court, and by the way, that wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't get me wrong on this. It's not the law but the coordinator falls law. Also does matter court makes the law. I think you know, it's gonna be interesting to see he he also make no mistake. This is a Republican Court. And they're and Roberts is a Republican what that means is complicated, though. And he. He has studied history enough to know that it's a court goes too far to the right? There'll be a backlash in the political system. Yeah. He doesn't want to politicize the court anymore than he has to Erich Segal is here from Georgia state school of law is a new book is original Azam as faith. Would. It kills me. That's why I mentioned what about what these guys have punted on some very controversial cases recently. What are we looking for this year team? They did until until yesterday or last week when they took the two we district in cases. So Republicans have gerrymander in North Carolina. Democrats have gerrymander in Maryland you, and I talked about this before I think the question stay out of it. But the court is gonna hear these two cases. And there's nothing more important. Those cases those cases go right to the heart of our political system. So that so it now it's become a very important term. I think as the months go on the court will decide to hear more and more important cases is a pretty important case out of. Involving a big cross on governmental power. Sure. Sure. And the lower court struck it down, and of course, going to hear that one. There's also a very big issue about employment discrimination against gays and lesbians, and whether or not sexual orientation discrimination is gender discrimination agendas. Combination is outlawed of course by title set. And. Tender you can switch sides, and will that complicates things. Well. The most complicated thing about that those cases and there's a bunch of them. We know the congress that used the word gender discrimination in nineteen seventy whatever it was they were not thinking sexual orientation. They weren't there. Bets biology yet. Today gender. Mine fact mean that and what does the judge do all that that's complicated, stuffed up. It's going to be it's going to be an industry, and especially the redistricting case ever yesterday. By the way, I was really. Clank clank. Hit twice hit the upright. And then it fell and hit the crossbar so two chances to make that good just off by a smidge in both ways. It just has to roll the other way. Hey. With a passion. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry that happened to. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. My pleasure. John tickets oxygen. That's Erich Segal from Georgia state here on WLS..
"dick cheney" Discussed on Overthinking It Podcast
"Definitely I thought I thought the Eric cartman ask associated montages of hyenas looked at through night-vision was another indication that the movie had something of an extra cry. What really bothers me about this movie is that it makes me feel sorry for Dick Cheney is taking so many like potshots 'cause I feel like there's almost like I feel like they miss the points. Because here's the thing. They make it seem like Dick Cheney's problem is that he is a man who loves for power, and he just wants the maximum out of executive power just because just because he loves Babb power rights, and he loves said, the situation room and make calls, and he doesn't even really care what the calls are that. Like he happens to start a war in Iraq. Because like, that's what gets him into a more powerful position. But he doesn't even really care. Right. But I because this is going to leave him if he doesn't have power that's like his big motivation for everything he does right. I mean, but this is I mean to contrast with another residents of the MAURICE aggressive the White House. I don't think Cheney is the kind of character who just cares about what's best for Cheney putting aside things like whether or not he gave no big contracts to his own company. You know, that that he financially benefited from which honestly like is in the movie, but it's not I don't think it's a main thrust. I don't think the movie is really seriously arguing that Dick Cheney's. Sure, why not Dick Cheney's presidency is just a long con to like enriches stock options. Put it just in mix seem I feel like the the tragedy or the frustrating. The enraging thing about Dick Cheney is that did Cheney wanted to transform the world and thought he knew how to do it. And you You know. know, went went to great lanes and sacrificed a lot in terms of like civil liberties in terms of life ITO in terms of like America's credibility, America's money because he had this vision of how he could do things like the and he was wrong that ditch Dick Cheney bettle lots with other people's money, and he was wrong about everything. And that the movie doesn't really the movie doesn't even make it seem like he had a strategic reason to get into war with Iraq. Besides the fact that it was polling. Well, but I feel like Cheney has this vision of like American power, and and what America's role in the world should be. And the movie doesn't really give it voice. And I feel like without sort of like making it clear that like Cheney has this vision about like what America lately what he wants to accomplish. You're not really telling the story. Yeah. It's tricky because the movie on one hand which wants to portray Dick Cheney as having no, skills and. Doing no work because he's like a lazy drunken frat boy dirtbag. Right. It's like he dropped at a college. He's a hanger on. He's a yes, man. He just values loyalty, and you never really see any scenes in the movie, well, especially the first half of the movie during the assent of Dick Cheney's career where he does any sort of work like west wing style. Or like, I mean thinking like better call Saul style where like you watch Mike, Mike Erma trout, like real rigs rake a piece of machinery for twenty five twenty five minutes, really really crucially there that that they make it seem like he wouldn't even become a congressman had he not of fortunately been sidelined and his own campaign and his wife is the one who did the heavy lifting to get him elected. Right. So he is simultaneously does nothing and is worthless. But it's also this master of the universe who is able to bring together this vast conspiracy for his own for his own benefit and immediate friends benefit. He's both this like both responsible for everything that this is a movie that sites. The entirety of the second Iraq war and the Syrian civil war and only mentions three people in the entire movie actually living in the Middle East. Right. This is like everything bad that has happened between the Mediterranean Sea. And the Himalayan mountains is the responsibility of a bunch of people in Washington. Right. And and so, but at the same time Dick Cheney is supposed to be totally inept race supposed to be totally useless..
"dick cheney" Discussed on KQED Radio
"The Cuban government was talking about reforms. But now Cuba has a new president. And he's taking a hard line. For example. One new law prohibits Cubans from making art without a license. Three artists state the protests and got dragged off to jail one of them. She's out now tells us what it's like to be an artist in Cuba today. Her story on the world. Stay with us for thirty minutes. That's all the world comes up this afternoon at two. This is fresh air. I'm Terry gross. Let's get back to my interview with Adam McKay, he wrote and directed the new film vice which is about Dick Cheney and how he became one of the most powerful vice presidents in American history, it stars Christian bale is Cheney Amy Adams as Lynne Cheney and Sam Rockwell as George W Bush there each nominated for Golden Globes as McKay for both his writing directing McKay. Awesome made the comedies anchorman. Talladega nights and the big short. He's a former Saturday Night Live head writer, Christian bale is really fantastic in the movie as Cheney, particularly as the Bush era Cheney and some of it is the makeup impress FedEx. But he gets the voice so well, and the breathing like you can always hear Cheney when he's breathing when he's inhaling before the next phrase he is about to speak. And he gets the pacing and the breathing perfectly. Right. And also, you know Cheney. When he speaks. It comes out a little more on one side of his mouth and the other and Christian bale. Got that perfectly. Why did you think of him? I mean, physically he's the opposite type of Cheney. He's you know, he's he's got a very narrow face, or at least that's how I think of it as opposed to Cheney's much, you know, kind of rounder or or more more square face Cheney's, heavier than bale bale had to put on a lot of weight for the role. Christian Bale's, Australian which I never remember when he's playing an American Welsh Welsh. Okay. Yes. Well, but I never remembered that he he's not like. A native American accent speaker? So why in the world did you think of him? I think you just said it I I didn't really care about him. Looking exactly like him. I was more interested in the kind of psychological build of the character. And there are just very few actors like Christian bale and Amy Adams that can do that kind of work were they really build a character psychologically, and so it's not just mimicking gestures or mimicking motions. They know why that motion is happening. They know why that gesture is happening, and there's a psychological history to it. And there's an evolution to it. And man, I I've never seen anything like it with this movie as far as getting to watch Christian put this character together as everyone on set every day. He would walk on. This quiet reverence for what he was doing and the depth to which bell went. Wow. It's I'll never forget the first day where his weight gain mixed with the makeup mixed with all the psychological word mixed with all the character work when it all came together. I just literally the Harris stood up on my arms. I've never experienced anything. Like it. So in your film. There was supposed to be a musical number. Sure would have been really funny. And when I read that that was to be in there got really kind of angry edited it out, and I I really wanna see it. Okay. So it'll be a DVD extra. But how long I'm I going to have to wait for that. So tell us something about the production number. What would you can sing it? You can see some of the lyrics was so good. It was so good. We have Britney Howard from Alabama shakes. We have the choreographer of Hamilton. Christian corral. It was basically Don Rumsfeld teaching Cheney neither a bar norlander be except, you know, always a bar always borrow borough. Be and. Yeah. It was amazing. It just tone wise, and story wise did not work in that part of the film, and we tried and tried and tried it almost worked, and it definitely I've had a little Pang recently. A man maybe I should have just left that in there. But the good news is it will be out with the when the release of the movie happens, and streaming DVD and all that kind of stuff, and it really is tremendous. You should call me because here's what you could have done. Okay. So you could have in the closing credits had them roll over that number. So it'd be kind of like an extra within the movie. Yeah. We actually did discuss that call me. But why did you why did you not do that? Because it felt weird. It felt like you're going away backwards in the movie it felt like you're like, oh now we're back to him as a young, man. Like it didn't quite work. My daughter and her friends were so pissed they're like how could you cut that? I may have made a mistake I will openly admit that. I may have made a mistake on that one. But boy it did not quite feel right? We tried and tried that was probably our biggest cut in the movie. I mean, the nice thing is most of the other stuff stayed in. But that was a tough one. So making vice was a very eventful period for you. You had a heart attack before the movie was finished. Thank goodness you survived and seemed to be in good shape. Now. What point of the movie were you in when you realize you're having a heart attack? We had just finished filming. I think we'd raft for about a week. And it's that period where the editor is putting together the rough assembly of the movie Hank Corwin was working on its you kind of have this little week and a half two week break. And you know, I have a company with will Ferrell. Gary Sanchez, productions were always working on TV and movies. So I was doing a little bit of work producing. And I just realized I was not in the best shape put on weight during the movie, I was foolish enough to continue smoking. Not a ton. But I was you know, about a half, a pack a day below half a pack a day, and it just I didn't feel good. My doctor was warning me. And I was working with my trainer and in the middle of it. My hands started tingling and my stomach felt queasy. Well, those aren't normally symptoms you think of with a heart attack, usually think of pain in the chest and the arm and so I told my trainer dawn fine. I'm fine. I'm just tired. This is just weird, and he laughed and as soon as he left I remembered the heart attack seem we shot with bail when he was running for congress in Wyoming in the late seventies and bail, it asked me said, how do you want to do the heart attack? Do you want it to be a pain in the arm the chest? He goes, I could also do the queasy stomach. That's really common. And I remember asking what what do you mean? I've never heard that before queasy stomach, and he goes, oh, yeah. It's very common. And so that moment just flash back to me while I was sitting on the couch, and I went holy. Lord. And I ran upstairs and ran upstairs. You don't get your having heart attacks or you run upstairs. Yeah. I mean. Maybe run is not the right stumbled staggered a better word. Careened? I got upstairs, and I just down for baby aspirin and called nine one one. And God bless nine one one within three minutes they were there, and they had me at the hospital another three minutes after that. And the doctor was like why did you take those baby aspirin like I think he knew usually the queasy stomach thing. People don't react to that one. And I said, oh, my lead actor in our movie told me. Heart attack works and the doctor said because you acted so quickly. You have no damage to your heart your nails. And then he said not only that you have an extra strong heart. So he said the only dumb thing, you're doing smoking. So he said if you stop smoking, there's no reason you shouldn't live to be one hundred years old. So I have stopped smoking. That is the good news. And and my heart is as good as new, but man, what a scary experience. So I called Christian bale a week later. And I said either you or Dick Cheney just saved my life. Did the doctor think the baby aspirin helped? Oh, yeah. For sure. No, no. That's what they give you. And when I got in the ambulance, they gave me more. I mean, the aspirin things the blood which allows it to get around the blockage. It's it's definitely one of the moves. You wanna go? It's not going to save your life. You still have to go to the hospital, but it mitigates damage. There's no doubt about it. Did you at any point think that your life was in danger? It's funny. You're going through an experience like that. It's such a roller coaster. You don't even really think in terms like that. It's just moment by moment feeling by feeling and there were a couple moments that got very intense where I thought oh, and I remember the one doctor saying when I was in the hospital because I started to feel better. And then all of a sudden, I did not feel better. And I remember hearing Dr going he's having a heart event right now. And I thought oh man, I could really die in this moment. And the craziest thing was they took me they call it Catholic, which I'd never heard of before the catheter lab, and they take you in there. And that's where your heart. Doctor comes in your cardiologists. And this was a guy named Dr Henry is one of the best in the world. Thank god. And they get to work on you. And they're you know, they're going to clear out that blockage. And they did and they were amazing, and then towards the end I was on drugs, obviously. And for some reason, I thought it was very important that everyone at the table. No that I just done a movie about Dick Cheney. How ironic this is that I'm on a table having a heart attack. And of course, no one cares. But I saw sort of mumbled it. I was like this is weird. I just said a movie about Dick Cheney and everyone ignored me as they should have except one voice to my right. Just after beaches said the chain, great American. Of your movie. I went. You know, it's in my mind. I was like I don't want to argue with this guy think these people just saved my life. So I just went, sir. It's complicated. Ever anybody who doesn't know Cheney had I think like eight heart attacks and heart transplant. So the whole heart connection is is very very relevant. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. I mean at one point he had it basically a little EKG or little jump starter in his heart. So when he would have a heart attack. It would give his heart at kick to keep it alive and it had like a little computer in it. And I guess a couple of years after he had it put in they were worried that terrorists could crack the computer code on his heart computer that he had in there. So they actually took that out at one point. But yeah, he had I think he had five heart attacks. But. Well, no, no, no. If you transplant if you count the device they put in. I mean, you might be right. It might be that high. It's kind of hard to calculate but during the nineteen seventies when he was working in the Ford administration the youngest chief of staff in history, he was smoking three packs of cigarettes a day eating a dozen donuts every day. So. Clearly, not treating his heart that well. Well, let's take a short break here. And then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us. My guest is Adam McKay who wrote and directed the new film vice about Dick Cheney, and he also wrote and directed anchorman and Talladega nights and the movie the big short, which is about what led to the financial meltdown of two thousand eight. We'll be right back. This is fresh air. Support for.
"dick cheney" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Adam mckay. Welcome back to fresh air. And congratulations on the film Cheney has a legacy. He's one of the most powerful vice presidents in American history. How are his accomplishments still with us for better or worse, depending on your political point of view? I mean, there's no question Cheney is a brilliant, bureaucrat brilliant operator. He has a patience in an intelligence in viewing Washington DC and how the gears power work, what Cheney conditioned us to get comfortable with was the idea of extraordinary rendition extreme interrogation. These ideas that twenty thirty years ago would have been considered outlandish suddenly were very comfortable to the American people. And then the biggest thing he did was by going to war. And then in the end turned out the intelligence was bogus which I think you're right wing or left wing draft agree that was the case. And now America just moved on from that. And I think at that point we started to get comfortable with the fact that our government wasn't entirely working for us. And there were agendas inside our government that didn't represent the will of the people. So I think in an abstract sense. He changed the way we view government. But then in a very tangible sense. I mean, let's face it the Middle East became. Completely destabilized. You have the rise of ISIS. The tripled the the debt and then obviously world economy collapsed. And they were really the first administration knew nakedly, put lobbyists and corporate insiders in regulatory jobs. So we're talking pretty seriously about former Vice President Dick Cheney's legacy. Your film is not only. A kind of historical look back at Cheney. But it's it's it's an entertainment. I mean, it's it's funny. It's lively, and it's it's not a documentary. And it's not a straight out drama. By any means. So you had to find a tone like had to do with the big short, you find a tone detail complicated story that has had a profound effect on the world and to do it in a way that's entertaining. And that's fun to watch. And that's fast paced yet, you can absorb the information that you're getting so what kinds of things did you have to think through before figuring out? What is the tone? What does the structure, how do you pull this off a lot of it comes from the fact that I do this research and a lot of it looks very dry and seems not that interesting. And then I'll find things like the Dick Cheney had an office, basically everywhere in Washington DC, and I'll go, holy moly. This is crazy. And I think a lot of the ways that people like Chaney have gained power is that they rely on us being bored. They rely on us looking at what they do and assuming that it's just bureaucracy, and who cares? And when you really dig into it. It's it's very exciting stuff. And it's major stuff that changes the world. So it's kind of a fan of movies. I really get a kick out of bringing that to life. So boy when you're talking about Dick Cheney, he really has no signature speech. There's no great. Dick Cheney moment where he was in front of a a pulpit, delivering a great line. There's no moment of Dick Cheney sort of establishing himself is a figure in American history is always kind of just been in the background. And so I had to bring him to the foreground to show what he was able to do. And there's a lot of moves and a lot of stylistic, leaps you can take and movies that you can't do with other mediums that that worked really well with this guy. There's a scene I wanna play from fairly early in the film. And this is when Cheney is a young man, and he was and I didn't know this about him. But apparently, this is true. Because you say most of the stuff in the film is true. He was expelled from Yale. And yeah, his Lynn. Actually worked with a local businessman who was able to give out to scholarships to yell every year. But back then yelled did not accept women and so- Lynn was a straight as student. You know, Dick Cheney was more of a B student and she talked her boss into giving dick a scholarship. So how can how did he did he flunk out? He. There's one story he tells and he doesn't tell a lot of stories, but there's one story tells about being drunk at a party and riding a tricycle down a staircase. Very very drunk. And I think he partied a lot. Yeah. He was he's basically he lost his scholarship initially his family tried to scrape together money to keep them there. And then eventually he flunked out. It's so hard for me to imagine. Dick Cheney writing on a tricycle drunk down a staircase. But. You also in in the screenplay have how he he was arrested twice for driving under the influence. And so what happens before the scene? I'm gonna play is that he is arrested for driving under the influence during a time after his flunked out of Yale. And he's moved back to Wyoming and his job at the time is kind of hanging power lines in in Wyoming. So he's doing a lot of like climbing poles to hang power lines. So after he was arrested for driving under the influence Lynne Cheney reprimands him, and basically gives him an ultimatum. So here's that scene and Lynch Cheney played by Amy Adams and Christian bale is Dick Cheney two times. Two times I have to drag you out of that jail. Filthy hobo. I'm sorry. What? What did you say? Oh, Shari Lenny. You're sorry. Don't call me. Lenny. You're sorry. One time is I'm sorry. Two times makes me think that I've picked the wrong, man. You already got your astronaut of Yale for drinking and fighting, and you're just going to be a lush hangs power lines for the state that you're gonna live in a trailer. We're gonna have ten kids about the plan RIC flair place. No, we're gonna discuss this right now what you smell like vomit. She booth. Does dick want some get out get out? Dick wants some cotton of Jesus Christ. Here's my clan. Either. You stand up straight and you get your back straight. And you have the courage to become someone or gone. You guys in a few professors at school who a date me. Then prove it..
"dick cheney" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show
"Was taken as evidence that all of the all of the moderation in all of the class were actually inhibitory to victory now, I don't think that that was a proper conclusion to dry, I think he can be classy, and you can also be a night fighter. But with that said to ignore. The history that led up to to ignore that history did lead through the perception of George H W Bush as an establishment guy to George W Bush as an establishment guy to John McCain and Bob Dole and Mitt Romney as stablishment guys all the way up to Donald Trump was anti-establishment is to ignore the the stream of history that that led us to this point in time. And that's why there was a backlash. Right. Dick Cheney who was talking about George H W Bush in the partisan rancor on CNN the other night. And I it is amazing to me to watch as Republicans like Dick Cheney right who spent a lot of time working with Democrats as I mentioned how was making movie about to change right now. Call vice by Adam McKay is going to be a hit piece on Dick Cheney about how evil and Machiavellian he has. And there's Dick Cheney talking about. Well, there used to be a better time in history. Those of us in the grassroots base. Don't remember a better time when Democrats actually treated Republicans? Well, we just think that establishment Republicans are delusional when they talk about this time. But Dick Cheney says, no, no, no. There was a better time. It was it was so much better before not sure. The case all of this all of this goodwill received gonna make a difference. As far as Washington is concerned. I don't know wolf I hope so it's it's a different peal. When you get this group of people around you were interacting with one another. It's a Bill a warmer friendlier. We're reminiscent. Of course, we're not charge now control of anything, but it was a different era. Okay. So, you know, again, this idea does different near it was different than they said. All these terrible things about H W. They called them racist. They said the same stuff about Ronald Reagan. They called him a racist and a buffoon and a crazy person. No things we're not different. It's just that Republicans were much more conciliatory in action as well as indeed Trump is not conciliatory an action ordered which is why he is heavily popular with the base and is likely to remain. So in just a second. I'm going to get to the latest on Russia gate people still hoping that that Robert Mueller is willing to bring down the president. I'm not so sure, but we're going to discuss the latest allegations in. In just a second. First. Let's talk about how you can be dressed better than anyone else that your holiday party this year. I know you're dreading going to this company holiday party, you're thinking, I don't have anything in my closet. The last suit that I bought was in one thousand nine hundred eighty two and it's still has those crazy wide lapels. Well, you actually need a tailored suit. Okay..