17 Burst results for "Diana Walsh"

"diana walsh" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

05:15 min | 1 year ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"Show at box dot com. Here's Diana Walsh Soka. Diana Walsh Basilica welcome to the PODCAST. Be here. Let me start where a lot of all right now which is what did you think when you began to see these navy? Recordings of unidentified flying objects get released the first time this was released in. It was I think it was in December, two thousand seventeen? These were out for a while Azra so. That's one thing. Thing I. Think the public knows that these videos have been out for a while. It's just that it's at this point that the navy in the military came out and said that yes, these videos are in fact videos that were taken, and yes, this did happen, so that's the big deal. That was the big deal about the the coming out of it now when it. It came out I was fascinated by what was being perceived. I by the Public secondly I also noticed that a lot. There were a lot of quasi deep bunkers in various publications that are well known. I won't call them out, but they were debunk by people who actually didn't have the credentials to debunk, so I thought well. This is a really interesting play out. Out in the media of something that isn't confirmed to be extraterrestrial, but now it's on everyone's radar so I was I was fascinated. I got a lot of phone calls from people from academics of mine. WHO's to scoff at my research people from Harvard he wanted to create now a center for research in you know of this kind of thing and you know basically my. My phone my email. Every text blew up and it was A. it was an exciting time, so have heard their law deductions. I want to go on this conversation. And and I should say for for listeners is going to be a Meta level to this about what kind of conversation and what kind of research and what are the modes of understanding around this issue, and then a a kind of direct level. About what what are we looking at an art way? But why don't we go bit into your research? So you were doing research into the Catholic doctrine of purgatory, a religious scholar and I've actually a lot of questions about purgatory, but I'm going to hold them back for the moment. How did researching purgatory lead you to an interest in belief in UFO's? Yes, that's the. That's the best question right there. So how how did this happen? I was as surprised as anyone would be. because. I was actually for pretty much. All of my life and Esiason with respect to anything that had to do with your foes you AP's. Extraterrestrials so I just you know you A..

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"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

11:36 min | 1 year ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"It seems to me that we're all the fun is where all the action is is over in this extended consciousness stuff that we're just not allowed to talk about because it's all taboo and yet it seems. The evidence is overwhelming that there's a reality to it. I just touched on Andy C's because they're safe and we have all this science published in these great journals but the evidence for auto body experience comes right along with the near death experience but it also extends beyond that after Death Communication Cy. I was point to Doctor Dean ratings. Double Slit experiment where he said well. Let's scroll that let's go right to the end game. Here's of Photon beam generator. I'm GonNa Bring in a meditators and tell them to meditate and change the beam and he's going to do it or not do it and Lo and behold he can do it and he gets a six sigma results so the evidence is in all over the place also with remote viewing our and men who stare at goats and M Kale stuff all the stuff which at this point is just I. I don't know how we we kind of are even allowed to kind of keep that in the out of discussions zone. There's a department of Defense is coming out and throwing the holy or holy water on it and then we have the whole Shamanic journeying d. m. t. stuff. So is this bridge idea. Really the way to go here and is the simulation hypothesis and all the great stuff. You're offering us it. Is it a bridge or is there a chasm there that you just have to jump over on the other side and then that would lead to the next question is? Is there a reason that we're not on the other side? I mean what I always point to. Is You know Russell. Targ and help put off at. Sri They were doing extended consciousness stuff for thirty years. They weren't bound by these kind of. Oh it's we have to be materialised. We can't and the same that the minutes there it goes. I mean the the cutting edge consciousness. Weaponization has been going on for a long time. And it's just this kind of wink and a nod like Oh you you guys in academia and science go continue on your little materialised way. Kinda thing any thoughts. I threw a lot on the table. Yeah you through a lot there. A lot of thoughts about each of those areas. But I think you know. Science has been built up by having a series of models right and so we don't have a good model to explain how some of these phenomenon work so let's take for example right So if the model is they came here on a spaceship from another galaxy. You know that's where I think a lot of regular scientists You know get lost a little bit and they say oh yeah. We're sure there's life out there but we don't see how they could have possibly gotten here because we don't know anything that goes faster than the speed of light so again we're caught inside these models and so in order to move science along need to think of a different model. Now I think one of the reasons why. The phenomenon is so Weird and not accepted is it may actually be weirder than that simple explanation so one of the people that. I talked to you in writing. This book was Dr Jacques Gras Right. Who has been around since the days and was part of Project Blue Book back in the day and you know one of the things he told me was that your foes are not a purely materialist phenomenon. And they're not purely a conscious phenomenon. They're actually both and he said. There are many instances where two people will be standing standing next to each other and one of them will see the UFO and one of them will not right so there's no model in the materialist view. For How long have either the craft is dare or it's not. You can't have a situation. Where both are well turns out if you start thinking about you know Video Games than how they work you. Can I mentioned it earlier if a person is at level thirty versus level to they might see the UFO. They might not. And so I. I think they're just inexplicable. It gets to a level of inequality inexplicable -bility to the point where you know. Many scientists will individually admit to being interested in these things that you're talking about but as a group they seem not not didn't want to be the first to Kinda jump outside this paradigm and you know a great example of this is because I talk about the Matrix People. Ask me all the time. Well you know. How do you hack the Matrix and I bring up the example of the spoon bending from the movie right where The Little Monk Kid tells Neo remember there is no spoon. And that's how you can. I believe another gentleman who is involved with. Sri Back in the day with Jack Hotoke and he started to do these spin betting parties. And you know one of my favorite stories is when he went to Los Alamos and he did this spoon-bending party with a bunch of physicists. And their wives and he found that none of the physicists could ban the spoons but their wives could now that was interesting because doubt it was because the physicists were together and anyone of them individually went to Spoon Bending Party with your wife Could bend spoons sometimes and so it becomes this kind of weird more for genetic field. If you will that that people are stuck in this model so I think to get people there. We have to present them with a model. That might make some sense. I mean science has been built up and has had a lot of successes in the physical world right building rockets computers all of these things because you create models and then you validate the models. The problem is I think most scientists say because it's something that can't be reproduced in the laboratory hundred percent of the time and it's outside of our paradigm therefore it must be real same thing would spend bending right people say it doesn't exist but many people have seen it so you know. I think it's showing us that the material world is not quite what we think it is. But it's so far out of the paradigm so getting back Jacques Valet and UFO's. I had lunch with them recently. And he told me he investigated a case where they were supposed to the U. F. O. And they said it came down at a forty five degree angle and it actually left some marks on the ground And so there was some physical evidence so Jacques went back after there was no investigation. Any you look at it you said it went in a forty five degree angle. That means it would have had to go through the trees they said. Yeah but we don't want to tell anybody that because nobody would believe us or which gets back to you. Know is this a virtual phenomenon that gets materialize when it's needed and it's something that we see and so. I think that's where kind of explaining hall at works is is the task. That's ongoing I think. All of great points. And I I have tons of respect for Jacques Blain. He's been on the show as has Diana WASHCO. Salka who also wrote a really Nice Blurb for your book and you know and both these people a lot I love the way you you. Kinda laid out there because a lot of people don't get it jock delay isn't saying it's just consciousness. He's just saying it's not just nuts and bolts and I do think in that sense you do offer a bridge and a beautiful unique wonderful bridge of saying I like your term. You know the augmented reality augmented consciousness. Kind of thing because that's also what's reported from the E. T. experience right is that they haven't ability apparently put to manipulate consciousness. I like an APP. You know it's on there. It's under iphone. Scratch memory there. It goes by your be there. All that stuff in a unit does fit nicely inside of the model that you're laying out that all the things that you just said. I WON'T TRY AND REPEAT THEM. But the one caveat. I keep coming back to as the White Hat. Black hat kind of thing again if you can. You do right kind of thing. Isn't that what we're honest with this whole thing? Well if you can control this level of consciousness upgrade then. Aren't you likely to do that? And Are we likely to be already living in experiencing a world where there are individuals groups around us that have mastered this at least a couple levels up if you will and our somehow controlling the game to me? That's a much better explanation for this. Just absurd Liikanen infantile view we have of consciousness materialism nuts and bolts your biological robot and meaningless universe that just seems like such a scripted narrative via control group right so the question is are there super users who are And Sang at trying to manipulate the game to keep us thinking that were inside the game right. And let's just be clear because we brought up Diana Welsh basilica. She says she's already met some of those people with our couple levels up and it begs the question. Okay if you're if you're able to uncover the couple levels up just by going to a couple conferences. Are there five ten twenty levels up? Who writes will that? That's a good question and it gets you know. I'm a big fan of Diana. Wash Persona and her book and You know what I liked was that she brought this point of view that they have in the religious traditions right when they're investigating claims of miracles and things you know. She mentioned a non sister. Maria that's supposedly was in New Mexico at the same time. She was in a monastery in Spain. I think it was right and they say well. Let's start not by disbelieving these. Let's just set aside whether that happened or not. And let's study the social implications of this particular belief system and then she went into the you know the UFO world in the same way. Rather not be a skeptic or a believer from day one but to set aside that question then to study the actual phenomenon I think ties to your jock. Valet has been saying for a while that he thinks. There's some kind of deception going on right. It's almost as if there are. They are testing us to see how we would react to certain things as a civilization. Who's the day right in his case? You mentioned there have been you know. Fairies reported and other worldly beings reported for thousands of years like this isn't a new phenomenon people have been saying things in the sky for many hundreds of years. Because we're in a technological Age We tend to associate things with spacecraft. But let me just interject something just to make sure talking about the same thing because I just going just talk and we're just having inside baseball convert kind of conversation? But that's what I like to do. People COULD CATCH OUT BUT DIANA WALSH..

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"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

05:21 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"To me and then somebody got in contact with me and i wish i knew his name and he basically said do you think that information at a very simple bollock an unconscious level it's passed on to rush through the hero's journey because look at star wars star wars like it's changed are language even as you know in idioms rent star star wars that people all over the world and there's also you know i write about in my book there's this idea that star wars real right i mean it's really this very interesting kind of seen where the stories me right become the reality is i do wanna emphasize that last point because people another reason you have to redo this book it's it's beautifully written and it just brings you along these stories you actually covered this point and it's pretty remarkable and the way that you do is you are now living an x files reality then you call into question whether or not you would have lives that reality if x files was never created which is kind of interesting thought the one last thing i didn't wanna talk about is how can people find this book it's on amazon you can get through kendall very reasonable price you can't even get a hard copy at a very very reasonable price and they were sub optimal longest time so people need to take advantage of that 'em so tell us about where they can get the book and also what projects you're working on which we haven't even touched on all the tech delfin where any i might be taking us and how all that fits in so there's so much more to talk about but i'd love for you to tell us how people generic would you sure so the idea of a website called american cosmic dot com end what i tried it do you there i i'm trying to keep it up but i i've been so busy once the book came out that haven't been able to update it but i'm updating it with a lot of different things like some producers are interested in doing some type of tv series around it and so were were kind of talking about doing that i have another book that i'm considering doing which is called the language of angels where i talk about how synchronicity fits into this all and it's kind of like the engine of religious belief and religion and spirituality and even you h virtuality 'em i also have an ongoing project with the vatican 'em about a the you know kind of going back into the vatican and looking at some of those a source is as you know quote unquote angel encounters and actually giving me a that analyses of them from their languished kind of doing a literal analysis and ended up contextual announces side by side though i've got like a bunch of different projects they're doing a show i'm fairly busy doing all of that and i do wanna update my american cosmic website because people keep going there an end it's been the same for a long time and i and i want to bring that information because a lot of things have happened and the last thing i want you to stay where you could get it on the the oxford university press website you can get it at barnes and all you could get it at amazon an end 'em i there there's an audio version but that's not me speaking and i am good you and audio a first chapter in i'm gonna help some of my friends are gonna help you put it up on their site if you wanna put it up on years you can't you don't wanna do that to cause i think that i wanna say some things in in that i audio version it's just not gonna be an audio version but it's gonna be you know me also saying a couple of things about it and what's happened since bent on yeah so that's where i'm at right now i have to admit i'm also recovering from giving that book we certainly do hope there's more coming it's absolutely again whole different world detour opening up to is an we wanna know more about it so thank you so much diana for joining me today on skeptical and i certainly encourage everyone to check out you're amazing book american cosmic they thanks again to diana ross perot soco for joining me today on skipped go on one question tee up hardly seems adequate but i'll do it anyway are we living in the other half off of a breakaway civilization how else are we to understand her account i mean if you want just dismiss eric out and say this trusted academically documenting everything she says she did and has its deller accurate if not he's just making all this stuff up i guess you can go there if that helps you sleep better but if you can't and i can't then it seems to me the extent of the breakaway is maybe more than i was ever really willing to acknowledge what do you think let me no place to do it skeptical forum of course or just reach out and grab me anyway you can so i'm gonna keep doing this i'll be back next week especially now that i have with the help help of lizzie shoes and assistant producer with me in is helping me get these shows out even faster so i think i'll be able to keep up the once a week pays for awhile do stick around because we have.

"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

13:18 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"Don't give into his mouth like you might you know he might end jeff sweetly did by the end of the last year we've been fighting with new his house in houston then meeting his wife and everything and i was like well do we like you know you need to be with you again title reiterated his invitation to go to the quote unquote a legit crash site of these artifacts the new mexico and i was not going alone an so i said jeff why don't you come with me and jeff was like that's a little outside of my comfort zone and i said i know and so then i decided after james the scientist in games of course is all so james went with me 'em we had to wear blindfolds because it was 'em it's a place that can't be known apparently anderson there are apparently like seven crush place that happened in that time time period and every member i'm speaking as a scholar religions so i don't actually believe her just believe that there were actual craft slice of ufo's what i'm doing is i'm going to document this extremely elite group of people who believe that they're getting these artifacts in their engineering down into biotechnology went back to do the transformation what i picked up on and i totally understand it but only from a person and who is really uniquely open to following the data in a way that you don't care if it makes you uncomfortable you did say you're cautious about hey i'm tenured so maybe i can do this you work like totally foolish wish about it but you just kept following following the data in a way that most people just don't do so i that first step is interesting you know the first step is like somebody says while the hannah that that sounds you're angel story sounds a lot like a you afo story and you begin to go yet does let me go to you afo conference which is you know pretty out there for people in your position but then you do and then you take the next step and the next up in the next up is is that in your history so again i think interesting religions decided eleven so i'm not the kind of person who is going to follow the you know the kind of fear about it i'm gonna i'm gonna look at it in i actually thought a lot about the religions i studied said like zen buddhism i credit which getting me good grades in math in calcutta because i'm serious because you know it taught me how to actually look at something without 'em frameworks you know so if you if you actually utilize some of the techniques that religious traditions have taught us you know they've been around for a long time and that they could actually teach you things and so i ever learned the technique help me in my research one of the things they came through i couldn't think of it any other way than this idea of breakaway civilization kept popping up breakaway academia where there's this fight club college they know stuff nobody else knows i think it extends into politics i think it extends into technology as you document is that what you're documenting here is that this is that one of the stories is the distance between where these folks are that you're talking about in the book and we're the rest of us are an even us being like were kind of breathing american cosmic were in the minority anyway this tiny little shrub community that's willing to accept what you're saying what about the rest of the people have we reached that breakaway civilization counterpoint okay i know the siri okay end end from my perspective is the people that i interacted with his were now this is where it gets really weird i know that i you know it's already weird enough but this is where it gets really weird it and this is where i think that at the vatican when we went to the vatican tyler and i we learned a lot and we learned a lot because he said what should we do and i said he only thing we should do is keep quiet and listen that's all we do end that's how we learn and so we went andy we met people that were the people we should meet an what i learned was that makes theoretically suggests there's this breakaway civilization within our then are species okay andy they are at the forefront of discovery in by the way i don't know if you know about this author catch chang his book was the basis for the movie called a rival which is a great movie about the phenomenon in an he wrote a very short story in nature that twenty years ago called picking up the bread crumbs and it's basically about the breakaway civilization but about 'em scientists to hack into their own body andy con superhuman are far removed from human that we have to just but just let me be clear on this because some people like the breakaway civilization and they ticket in a whole other direction in kind of a size direction which may be the future reality but what i thought was amazing about american cosmic is that's my literal reed of your book not extrapolating it's just you're chronicling a breakaway civilization you're chronicling in academia that is you know there's the the people who know and the people who don't and james is is passed a card out of a movie in says call us and then the kind of men in black ish not real many blackish but guys who just know stopped say okay you're invited in the invisible college and it's real and you've been there you've seen the the fight club kind of thing the secrecy it's a whole different world in again this is what you're documenting in the book and then when you go and meet tyler she is in a different world not just because he hoover's planes means but because he just knows stuff that is way beyond what other people know or would ever be willing to accept will ever make it on the news again emphasizing the point maybe too much diana you you're documented breakaway civilization it's not the cause of taiwan but we're already there okay i hear what you're saying end 'em i didn't know i was doing that i just was amazed by what i was discovering andy the things that were happening even with shock jock valet you know his trust in me a he's got a whole library of an archives of information and i will one of two people who have access it for ten years and so i would be giving it might have access which i didn't understand why well now i i understand a little bit more but still don't know the full story nobody knows the full story here alec rush even that's why not an invisible college anymore because at least they talk right when i said who went and i i want to convey the tragedy of this forgive people take tyler i wanted to convey that place in the in the story breaking being you know gene resnick you know in the whole situation of the challenger blowing up what i wanna show you that this this guy be tragic life i mean hey it's all cool he can you know order this uber end he's really awesome he was teaching you know and this kind of thing but she's not happy person and he you know the things that he knows it drives them crazy she doesn't know how he knows these things don't you you know i'm glad i'm not tyler i'm glad i had this kind of more ordinary life so the the kind of in fact i don't even know if i ever wanna get back into this thing again because of the pain and suffering of that group anders when you bring it out look what happens to see you you know you get targeted as a crazy person and this and that and so you know to watch that and so you know in an academic from ashby trying to study it because once they do they get ridiculed you hold an you know put you know things like that how many things very very bad that i don't actually want to have in my my reality and you know it sounds glamorous and everything that those why but they're changed with pain and suffering an any constant anxiety so i mean that kind of give an indication of it's it's out there yeah end maybe somebody'll take the banner manner and go in and do the next american cosmic to or something like that but it most likely will mocking me because i've been burned by i mean it hurt me the realization that you he are amazing you'll never ever be the same and maybe that's what life is really about is you open up and be that you know not just the amazing this other but also the pain and suffering of it 'em i saw an ice kinda wanna go back my cave again for a while i do do the interview because my book just came out people wanna know about it and i i do like the book i mean i've read it a couple of times now you know you've heard me reader books and by the time academics by the time we've read her book the couple of times where sticker books i actually feel like my book when i need it i go yeah you know i remember that experience these are experiences i had these are theoretical kinds of being you know these are like i went through all these experiences i retain a excellent relationship ships with jane in shock valet and jeff cripple 'em whitley strieber 'em you know andy de others there's does he fight club i'm just like i was before i want to retreat from that because i don't want to be involved again which i well while i mean you just said right there and i guess that's one of the topics i really am most interested in i mean people you have to buy this book i mean if you're not already so tempted than just listen to the wrong show because we are scratching edging the surface of a much much broader painting of a landscape which we don't we can't fill in all the pieces but at least someone has stepped out there in his tried to map the territory you know what i mean because the map isn't the territory but also ever gonna have are maps in one of the things they kept coming up for me as you were talking about that in as i was preparing for the interview was this idea of religions versus spirituality rich you alad and it's a that's a huge question for all time you know but it all sounds so left hand path issue to me so much of the stuff that's described in the book materialism is cool but you know tech is cool but it's still materialism it's not consciousness if there is a spirituality then it's not that i don't think it is so you know what are your thoughts in general you laid out some of them but what are we looking at because also it in the book and i can't help but jump around the book is about us spiritually trance formative experiences well at the end of the day not even your own but one of the key characters in the book and what are spiritually trans formative experiences tell us about what's going on is that closer to a real spirituality is there such a thing as real spirituality does it make sense to talk in those terms a lot of people point at religion particularly catholicism and say hey was that ever real spirituality even though there's no doubt the people who experience spiritual transformative experience is through it a as you know is the vehicle but please rescue me here tell me how to begin the pullout apart right okay like wait you're you're getting at is this idea of is there some kind of objective reality of what is called you know when we talk about religious language are we actually talking about something that subjectively real right outside of are south end if we encounter those things are we are we having genuine experiences are are we having subjective experiences right there's.

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"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

01:38 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

"And then to the vatican where she sees some of those secret documents we've always heard about in also witnesses and amazing spiritual transformation i said this is a hero's journey it truly is it's a story the must make us question everything we think we know including whether or not we're living in the other part of the breakaway breakaway civilization one of the things that came through i couldn't think of it any other way than this idea of breakaway civilization kept popping up breakaway academia where there's this fight club college judge they know stuff nobody else knows is that what you're documenting here is that this is that one of the stories is there the distance between where these folks are that you're talking about in the book in where the rest of us tar in this tiny little trouble community that's willing to accept what you're saying what about the rest of the people have we reached that breakaway civilization counterpoint okay i know the siri okay end and now this is where it gets really weird i know that i you know it's already weird enough but this is where it gets really weird at the vatican when we went to the vatican tyler and i we learned a lot and we learned a lot because he said what should we do and i said he only thing we should do is keep quiet listen that's all we do how we learn stick around my interview with doctor diana walsh plus soccer is coming up next on skeptic.

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"diana walsh" Discussed on Mysterious Universe

Mysterious Universe

02:49 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on Mysterious Universe

"The mysterious universe. Sees at twenty one episodes six coming up on this show with got the first rule of youth. Oh, fight club. Both the daunting, hyper dimensional entities and Diana Walsh. Basilica joins us to discuss a new book American cosmic. I'm Benjamin Grundy joining me as Aaron rights and to celebrate that first rule we're going to break it, right? All talking about you. The question is who's in you Afo fought club. We still don't know all we know is that there's a group of very influential scientists possibly a lot of people that make huge amounts of money market moves these kinds of papal five scientists in their fields around the world, very interested in the phenomenon. But also the technology that may be able to provide to humanity. Yes. So the UFO fought club is Tom old not really the you fought club. She just calls it the fight club. It's a Tom that Diana wall specific has coined for this elite group of scientists billion as entrepreneurs really some really smart people who are secretly interested in the UFO phenomenon. They're not going about it in a public fashion. They don't tell anyone it's entirely Don outside the knowledge of the people they work with all their boss. Oh, one of the company they're running. But they they're very very interested in the UFO and ex. Terrestrial phenomenal. Well, I really liked that we spoke to Diana because much like many of the people that stop looking at the Afo phenomenon. There's that old saying that starts looking back. And that's exactly what I think has happened to Diana. I mean, she's very much just sitting on the fence and willing to entertain any belief system because that's what she does. She's an academic. She's a religious academic. She's happy to hear people's experiences and recalled that his data. She's not passing any judgment as to whether or not she believes it. But when she looked at the phenomenon of UFO's and tried to make comparisons between you know, belief in religion and belief in UFO's. Yeah, she it seems like she was very suddenly just pulled down this rabbit hole of high strangeness and madness which absurdity we'll Anna points out that she quickly realized she wasn't writing the book that she sit out to Ryan. She's a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion. But harasser focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief and. It's connections to digital technologies and environments and really with this book. She set out on this seeks year ethnographic study interviewing people like we mentioned really influential scientists professionals Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who all believe in extraterrestrial intelligence and bicycling immediately. She disproves this misconception that it's quacks and crank quacks in your yokels hillbillies believe in the UFO phenomenon..

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"diana walsh" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

03:18 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion, a research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often and this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, wow. The timing is great. Yes. It is great. And George thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I look at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even colleagues in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not theologians or we're not ministers. And some of us are really and some of us are not. And basically what we do is. We have acne tools, we teach these and we're looking to the ways in which people practice their religions, as you know, beliefs, and we don't come down on the side of whether or not God. Exists or not really that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic. I'm a Catholic historian, basically. And I set out to do a couple of things in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show how our new environment, which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religio city to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society. So what I'm looking at is how you technologies change. How we and I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that your face today. Inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence beings like angels, and even demons and jackson-lee had pointed this out in passport to Mongolia in nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these are the two things.

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"diana walsh" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

11:06 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion, a research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often at this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, wow. The timing is great. Yes. It is great. And George thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I looked at the connections between religion, and you and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even calling in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are you know, a few thousand of us in the United States. And we're not the Logan's or we're not ministers. And some of us are really just some of us are not. And basically what we do. We have the tools we teach dis and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions, as you know, beliefs, and we don't come down on the side of whether or not. Gotta be this or not we leave that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic, the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to you a couple of days in the book, the first thing I wanted to do with to show how. Our new environment, which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a really Josse to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society. So what I'm looking at is how you technologies change. How we just and I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that your face today. Inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence beings like angels, and even demons and jackson-lee had pointed this out in passport to Mogollon. Yeah. In ninety eight which is an excellent book. And so I. It's you know, these are the key things I set out to do what actually happened. I do those things. But what I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it if you look at my publications, I'm pre two thousand twelve post two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied, you know, beliefs that Catholics from state h hundred had and I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government. You know, I never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had while steady that stuff. So as soon as I got into the territory of steady UFO's the landscape change completely. And I found myself in a really really weird. Research site, basically research area, and when she New Mexico ended up in the book going to the Vatican. And I met a lot of people early on in that Jacques valet who mentored me and helped me three these kinds of things Jeff pipe will and an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is unlocked. When did you say more just too weird and something with back in? So and this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described. It's an Oxford book published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the book, but the descriptions of the book are edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go, oh, this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing you associate Justice mythology. Beliefs, and I want to say, no, no, it's not actually I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because my regional descriptions were actually edited quite. Well, let's just put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on to some other questions is that it dividing folly. You mentioned this between, you know. What's called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of, you know, let's with apply the scientific method to this thing and find the physics of the craft and how they, you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything and is often put into you know, it's versus the more religious oriented. Some would say Woohoo aspects of the phenomena, and what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this issue was actually a false dichotomy and you can't out they're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't. Really separate these out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book. Some of who are anonymous and forget reason it has to be. Scientists here at the top. They're well known scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to know if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for for this reason, it's you know, it's a steep learning curve. I remember when I started, and I've I've talked about this before on the program. So I I apologize to those of heard it. But you know, I I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs good reporter and give me six months and hall had this all figured out. And of course, it's thirty years later, and I I made no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you, and so many different directions and unexpected directions. And I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wondered if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John Mack the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at Harvard professor called it the the logical shift or the metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when I started I Chris Bledsoe, actually, an experience or lives near me. And so he, and I became friends my family, befriended, his family, we know each other we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view. The life of inexperience her as well as I mean, I been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff. You can say, right. So you know, what would you have your religion? But a lot of weird stuff. You have you know, people walking on water. You have angels you have delays. You know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have these weird things. And and we study them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things for things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I began to you know, Chris son went to my university. So we had occasion, Chris my had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up and they would. Want to basically talked to Chris and innocence and not just Chris the experiencers in general by this time. You know, this is about, you know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So within two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another group of people around the experiencers in I called this group the meta experiencers because they were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing. They were scientists some affiliated with government, son. Not. You know, some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience or had for technologies and some of these technologies were were well-known technologies that were affected, and so this is I think what started to really cause me to shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable. But, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with screenwriters and futures of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters to tell because I was helping them with their their script about Catholic culture. They could tell there's something going on with the instead he would say what did he? Yeah. What you stay. Diana. I'm going to ask you to hold there for a second. We have to take a break when we come back. I wanna get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs will be right back. Find out more about tonight's guest. Log on to coast to coast AM.

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"diana walsh" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

Newsradio 970 WFLA

11:21 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion, a research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of economic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often add this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious. What you set out to do? You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, well, the timing is great. Yes. It is great and George thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I look at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even colleagues in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not. Theologians or we're not ministers and some of us are religious and some of us are not. And basically what we do. We have ACA gimmick, tools, we teach and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions as you know, beliefs, and we don't come down on the side of whether or not. God exists or not really that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic, the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to you a couple of days in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show how our new environment, which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religio city to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago change society. So what I'm looking at is how technologies change how we exist. And I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that your face today. Inspired the same sort of experiences that meme. Members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence feels like angels and even demons and Jacques fillet had pointed this out in passport, humid going. Yeah. In nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these are the two things I set out to do what actually happened. I do those things. But what? And I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it if you look at my publications, I'm you know, pre two thousand twelve post to two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied, you know, beliefs that Catholics from Seda h hundreds had I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government. You know, never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had while studying that stuff so as soon as I got into the territory of UFO's the landscape change completely, and I found myself in a really weird. Research site, basically research area, I went to Mexico ended, you know up in the book going to the Vatican. And I met a lot of people early on in shock valet who mentored me and helps me think three these kinds of things Jeff cripple an an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is unlocked. When did you say more just too weird and something with back in? So this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described it's Oxford book. It's a published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the fuck, but the descriptions of the book are edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing you associate Justice mythology. I believe and I want to say, no, no, it's not actually I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because. My original descriptions were actually edited quite well. Let's just put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on to some other questions that the dividing folly, you mentioned this between you know, what normally called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of, you know, let's let's apply scientific method to this thing and find the physics of the craft and how they, you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything and is often put into it. You know, it's versus the more religious oriented, some would say Woohoo aspects of the phenomenon and what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this is she was actually a false dichotomy. They're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't really separate these out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book. Some of who are anonymous forbid reason has to be. These are scientists here at the top. They're well known scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to know if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for for this reason, it's you know, it's a steep learning curve. I remember when I started, and I've I've talked about this before on the program. So I I apologize to those heard it, but I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs is a good reporter and give me six months, and I'll have this all figured out. And of course, it's thirty years later, and I I I may no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you in so many different directions in unexpected directions. And I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wanted to if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John knacks the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at Harvard professor called it the the logical Shifter metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when I started. I Chris Bledsoe actually an experience their lives near me. And so he and I became friends my family, befriended kids family, we know each other we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view of the life of an experience her as well as I mean, I been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff. You could say, right. So you know, what what religion? But a lot of weird stuff. You have you know, people walking on water. You have angels. You have. Denies you know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have these weird things, and and we studied them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things for things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I can't you you know, Krista son went to my university. So we had occasion, Chris, and I had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up, and they would want to basically talked to Chris and innocence and not just Chris experience early general. So I by this time, you know, this is about, you know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So within two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another. Group of people around the experiencers in I called this group the meta experiencers because they were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing what they were scientists some affiliated with government, not, you know, some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience had for technologies, and some of these technologies were were well-known technology that were receptive. And so this is I see what started to really cause me to shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable. But, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with the screenwriters and producers of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters to tell because I was helping them with their their script. You know, about Catholic culture. They can. Tell us something something's going on with the and he would say what now. Diana, an ask you to hold there for a second. We have to take a break when we come back. I wanna get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs, we write back. Find out more about tonight's guest. Log on to coast to coast AM dot com. Do. Mine. No..

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"diana walsh" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM

KTLK 1130 AM

11:00 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM

"Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion. Her research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often add this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, well, the timing is great. Yes. It is great. And George thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was you know, I looked at the connections between religion. And you does and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people what you've been colleagues in history. And and, you know, people at the university are aware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not the login or we're not ministers. And some of us are really distant some of us are not. And basically what we do is. We have academic tools we teach these and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions, as you know, beliefs, and we don't come down on the side of whether or not him. Exists or not really that to philosophy of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory the Catholic the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to do a couple of days in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show, how are you environment? Which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religio city to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society, what I'm looking at is how you technologies change how we exist. And I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that USA today inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence beings like angels, and even demons and Jacques fillet had pointed this out in passport to Mongolia in nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these are the two things I set out to do what actually happened. I do those things. But what? And I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it if you look at my publications, I'm you know, pre two thousand twelve post to two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied beliefs that Catholics from say h hundreds had I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government. You know, I never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had while studying that stuff so as soon as I got into the territory of steady UFO's and the landscape change completely. And I found myself in a really really weird. Research site, basically research area, I went to Mexico. I ended up in the book going to the Vatican and met a lot of people early on in that Jacques valet who mentored me and helped me think three these kinds of things Jeff cripple an an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is I'm not going to do say more. It's just too weird and something would back in. So and this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described it's an Oxford book. It's a published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the book, but the descriptions are edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing USOC associate Justice mythology. I believe and I want to say, no, no, not actually I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because my regional descriptions were actually edited quite well, let's just put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on. She's some other questions is that the dividing folly, you mentioned this between, you know. What's called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of, you know, let's let's apply the scientific method to this thing and find the physics of the craft and how they you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything and is often put into. You know, it's versus the more religious oriented some would say Woohoo aspects of the phenomenon. And what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this is she was actually a false dichotomy, and you can't they're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't really separate these out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book some of who are anonymous forbid reason and has to be. These are scientists here at the top. They're well known scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to know if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for for this reason, it's a, you know, it's a steep learning curve. I remember when I started, and I've I've talked about this before on the program. So I apologize to those heard it. But you know, I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs is a good reporter and give me six months and hall had this all figured out. And of course, it's thirty years later, and I I I may no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you in so many different directions in unexpected directions. And I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wanted to if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John neck the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at Harvard professor called it the the pistol, Milwaukee, call Shifter the metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when I started I Chris Bledsoe, actually, an experience or lives near me. And so he and I became friends my family, befriended kids family, we know each other we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view the life of an experience her as well as I mean, I been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff. You can say, right. So you know, what you religion? But a lot of weird stuff. You have you know, people walk on water. You have angels. You have. Denies you know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have these weird things. And then we studied them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things for things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I began to you know, Krista son went to my university. So we had occasion, Chris, and I had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up, and they would want to basically talk to Chris and in a sense and not just Chris, but experienced early general. So I by this time, you know, this is about, you know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So we've been two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another. Group of people around the experiencers in I called this group the meta experiencers because they were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing. They were scientists some affiliated with government or not, you know, some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience had for technologies and some of these technologies or were well-known technology that were effective. And so this is I think what started to really cause me to shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable by, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with screenwriters and producers of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters tell because I was helping them with their their script know about Catholic culture. They can. Tell there's something going on with the he would say what? Now, would you? Stay now, Diana. I'm gonna ask you to hold their per second. We have to take a break when we come back. I wanna get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs, we.

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"diana walsh" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

Newsradio 1200 WOAI

11:11 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"Weather. News Radio twelve hundred W O AI. Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion research. Focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of conic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often add this book has been praised as being nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, well, the timing is great. Yes. It is great. And George thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I look at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do in religious studies a lot of people even colleagues in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not theologians or we're not ministers. And some of us are really and some of us are not. And basically what we do is. We have academic tools we teach dis and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions as you know, delete. We don't come down on the side of whether or not God. This or not really that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic. I'm Catholic historian basically, and I set out to do a couple of days in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show how and our new environment, which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religio city to merge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society what I'm looking at is how you technologies change. How we just and I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief systems. Also wanted to address the idea that you're today inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence beings like angels, and even demons and Jacques fillet had pointed this out in passport, humid going. Yeah. In nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, either the two things I set out to do what actually happened. I do those things. But what? And I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it if you look at my publications, I'm you know, pre two thousand twelve post two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied beliefs that Catholics from Seda h hundreds had I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government. You know, I never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had whilst that he that stuff. So as soon as I got into the territory of that does the landscape change completely, and I found myself in a really weird research site, basically research area, New Mexico, ended up in the book going to divide akin, and I met a lot of people early on in that Jacques valet who mentored me and helped me think three these kinds of things Jeff cripe will an an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is I'm not going to do say more. It's just too weird. And. And something with back in. So and this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described it's an Oxford buckets a published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the book, but the descriptions of the book are edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing you associate Justice mythology or belief, and I wanna to say, no, no, actually, I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because my regional descriptions were actually edited quite well, let's just put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on to some other questions is that the dividing folly you had mentioned this between. You know, what's called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of you know, let's play the scientific method to this thing. And find the physics does the craft and how they you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything is often put into. You know, it's versus the more religious oriented, some would say Woohoo aspects of the phenomenon and what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this issue was actually a false dichotomy and they're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't really separate these out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book some of who are anonymous for good reason and has to be. Scientists here at the top. Well, known scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to go if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for this reason, it's you know, it's a steep learning curve. I remembered when I started, and I've I've talked about this before on the program. So I I apologize to those of heard it. But you know, I I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs is a good reporter and give me six months and all had this all figured out. And of course, it's thirty years later, and I I may no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you, and so many different directions and unexpected directions. And I I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wanted to if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John Mack the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at the Harvard professor called it the the pitch to Milwaukee, call Shifter the metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when I started I Chris Bledsoe, actually, an experience or lives near me. And so he, and I became friends and my family befriended kids family, we we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view. The life of an experience her as well as I mean, I've been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff. You can say, right. So, you know, what would you happy religion? But a lot of weird stuff. You have you know, people walking on water. You have angels you have delays. You know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have these weird things. And and we studied them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things for things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I began to you know, Krista son went to my university. So we had occasion, Chris, and I had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up and they would. Want to basically talk to Chris and innocence and not just Chris experienced in general. So I by this time, you know, this is about. You know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So we've been two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another group of people around the experiencers in I called this group the meta experiencers because we're were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing what they were scientists some affiliated with government, not, you know, some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience had for technologies, and some of these technologies or tech were well-known technology that were effective. And so this is I think what started to really cause me to shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable by, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with scream. Writers and producers of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters to tell because I was helping them with their their script about Catholic culture. They could tell something was going on with the and he would say what? Now, what you see now, Diana. I'm gonna ask you to hold their per second. We have to take a break we come back. I wanna get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs. We'll be right back. Find out more about.

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"Nine six four five. Local news, weather and traffic. Alexa, play KTAR H and iheartradio. Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion, a research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often add this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, well, the timing is great. Yes. It is great. George. Thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I look at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even colleagues in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not theologians or we're not ministers and some of us are really just in some of us are not. And basically what we do is. We have academic tools we teach dis and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions as you know, delete. We don't come down on the side of whether or not him. This or not really that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic, the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to do a couple of days in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show how? Our new environment, which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religiosity to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society. So what I'm looking at is how you technologies change how we exist. And I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief systems. Also wanted to address the idea that your face today. Inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence beings like angels, and even demons and jackson-lee had pointed this out in passport, humid going. Yeah. In nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I it's. It's you know, these are the two things I set out to do what actually happened. I do those things. But what? And I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it if you look at my publications, I'm you know, pre two thousand twelve post two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied beliefs that Catholics from Seda h hundreds had I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government. You know, I never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had while study that stuff. So as soon as I got into the territory of steady UFO's the landscape change completely. And I found myself in a really weird. Research site, basically research area, and when she you Mexico, I ended up in the book going to do that again. And I met a lot of people early on in shock valet who mentored me and helped me think three's kinds of things Jeff cripe pool and an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is I'm not going to do say more just too weird and something with back in. So and this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described. It's an Oxford book published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the foot, but the descriptions are edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing you associate Justice mythology. I believe and I want to say, no, no, it's not actually I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because my regional descriptions were actually edited quite. Well, let's just put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on to some other questions is that the dividing folly, you mentioned this between you know, what normally called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of, you know, let's let's apply the scientific method to this thing and find the physics of the craft and how they, you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything is often put into, you know, it's versus the more religious oriented, some would say Woohoo aspects of the phenomenon and what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this is she was actually a false dichotomy. They're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't. Really separate these out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book. Some of who are anonymous for good reason and has to be. These are scientists here at the top. They're well known scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to know if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for for this reason, it's a, you know, it's a steep learning curve. I remember when I started, and I've talked about this before on the program. So I I apologize to those of heard it. But you know, I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs is a good reporter and give me six months and hall had this all figured out. And of course, it's thirty years later, and I I I may no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you in so many different directions, an unexpected directions. And I I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wanted to if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John, knack the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at Harvard professor called it. The the pitch to Milwaukee coal Shifter the metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when I started. I Chris Bledsoe actually an experience or lives near me. And so he and I became friends my family, befriended kids family, we know each other we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view of the life of an experience her as well as I mean, I been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff. You can say, right. So you know, what you happy religion? But a lot of weird stuff. You have you know, people walking on water. You have angels. You have denies as you know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have. These weird things, and then we studied them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things for things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I began to you know, Christie's son went to my university. So we had occasion, Chris my had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up, and they would want to basically talk to Chris and in a sense and not just Chris the experienced general by this time, you know, this is about, you know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So we been two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another group of people around the experiencers in I called this group. The meta. Experiencers because they were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing. They were scientists some affiliated with government, not, you know, some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience had for technologies, and some of these technologies were well-known technologies that were affected, and so this is I think what started to really cause each you shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable. But, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with screenwriters and producers of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters to tell because I was helping them with their their script. It was about Catholic culture. They could tell there's something going on with the instead he would say what now. Taking out Diana. I'm going to ask you to hold their per second. We have to take a break when we come back. I wanna get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs, we write back. Find out more about tonight's guest. Log on to coast to coast AM dot com..

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"AM and ninety four one FM. Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion. Her research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often add this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, well, the timing is great. Yes. It is great. George. Thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I looked at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even colleagues in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are you know, a few thousand of us in the United States. And we're not the Logan's or we're not ministers. And some of us are really distant some of us are not. And basically what we do. We have actinic tools we teach and we look into the ways in which people practice their religion, as you know, beliefs. We don't come down on the side of whether or not. God exists or not really that t- philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory the Catholic the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to do a couple of days in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show how? Our new environment, which is digital a digital environment. Screens technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religious acidy to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society, what I'm looking at is how you technologies change how we exist. And I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that your face today. Inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence beings like angels, and even demons and jackson-lee had pointed this out in passport to Mongolia in nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these are the two things I set out to do what actually happened. I do those things. But what? And I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it if you look at my publications, I'm you know, pre two thousand twelve post to two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied you know, belief that Catholics from say they had and I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government. You know, I never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had while studying that stuff so as soon as I got into the territory of UFO's the landscape change completely, and I found myself in a really really weird research site, basically research area when she New Mexico. I ended up in the book going to do that again. And I met a lot of people early on in that Jacques valet who mentored me and helped me think three's kinds of things Jeff cripple an an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is I'm not going to say more just too weird and something would back in. So and this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described it's Oxford book. It's a published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the book, but the descriptions of the book are edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go, oh, this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing you associate Justice mythology believe, and I want to say, no, no, it's not actually I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because my regional descriptions were actually edited quite well, let's just put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on to some other questions is that it dividing folly. You had mentioned this between, you know. What's called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of, you know, let's let's apply the scientific method to this thing and find the physics of the craft and how they you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything and is often put into. You know, it's versus the more religious oriented some would say Woohoo aspects of the phenomenon. And what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this issue was actually a false dichotomy, and you can't they're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't really separate us out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book some of who are anonymous for good reason and has to be. These are scientists here at the top. They're well known scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to know if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for this reason, it's a, you know, it's a steep learning curve. I remember when I started, and I've I've talked about this before on the program. So I I apologize to those heard it. But you know, I I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs is a good reporter and give me six months and hall had this all figured out. And of course, it's thirty years later, and I I I made no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you, and so many different directions and unexpected directions. And I I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wondered if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John Mack the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at Harvard professor called it the the logical shift or the metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when I started. I Chris Bledsoe actually an experience their lives near me. And so he, and I became friends my family befriending kids family, we know each other we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view the life of an experience her as well as I mean, I been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff. You can say, right. So you know, what what you happy religion? But a lot of weird stuff you have you know, people walking on water. You have angels you have dealings. You know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have these. Weird things, and and we studied them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things for things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I began to you know, Krista son went to my university. So we had occasion Chris had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up, and they would want to basically talk to Chris and innocence and not just Chris experiencers in general. So I by this time, you know, this is about to, you know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So within two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another group of people around the experiencers in I called this group. The meta expert. Because they were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing what they were scientists some affiliated with government. I'm not, you know, some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience had for technologies, and some of these technologies were were well-known technology that were effective. And so this is I think what started to really cause me to shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable. But, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with the screenwriters and producers of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters to tell because I was helping them with their their script about Catholic culture. They could tell the something's going on with the incentive would say, what would you do? Now. Diana. I'm gonna ask it hold there. For a second. We have to take a break we come back. I want to get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs. We'll be right back. Find out more about tonight's guest. Log on to coast to coast AM dot com..

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11:27 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of Lhasa v and religion her research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often at this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think of it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, wow. The timing is great. Yes. It is great. George. Thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I looked at the connections between religion, and you and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even calling in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not theologians or we're not ministers and some of us are really just in some of us are not. And basically what we do. We have academic tools we teach dis and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions as you know, beliefs, and we don't come down on the side of whether or not. God exists or not really that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic, the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to you a couple of days in the book, the first thing I wanted to do with to show how. Our new environment, which is digital a digital environment. Screed technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religious to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society. So what I'm looking at is how you technologies change how we assist, and I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief systems. Also wanted to address the idea that your face today. Inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence fees like angels, and even demons and Jacques fillet had pointed this out in passport to McGowan. Yeah. In nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these are the things I said out to do what actually happened. I do those things. But and I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it. If you look at my publications, I'm you know, pre two thousand twelve post two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied, you know, beliefs that Catholics from say h hundreds had I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government. You know, I never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had while steady that stuff. So as soon as I got into the territory of studying UFO's the landscape change completely. And I found myself in a really really weird. Research site, basically research area, Mexico, I landed you know, up in the book going to Vatican. And I met a lot of people early on in that shock valet who mentored me and helped me three these kinds of things Jeff quite pull and an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is I'm not going to say more. It's just too weird and something with Tony back in. So and this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described. It's an Oxford book published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the book, but the descriptions of the book are edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go, oh, this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing UFO's to Justice mythology. I believe and I want to say, no, no, it's not actually I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because. My regional descriptions were actually edited quite. Well, let's put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on. She's some other questions is that the dividing folly. You had mentioned this between, you know. What's normally called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of, you know, let's let's apply the scientific method to this thing and find the physics of the craft and how they you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything is often put into it. You know, it's versus the more religious oriented, some would say who aspects of the phenomenon and what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this issue was actually a false dichotomy and you can't out they're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't. Really separate these out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book. Some of who are anonymous fatigue reason it has to be. These are scientists here at the top. They're well known scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to know if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for for this reason, it's a know it's a steep learning curve. I remember when I started, and I've I've talked about this before on the program. So I I apologize to those heard it, but you know, I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs is a good reporter and give me six months and hall. Have this all figured out? And of course, you know, it's thirty years later, and I I I may no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you, and so many different directions and unexpected directions. And I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wondered if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John max the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at Harvard professor called it the the pistol logical shift or the metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when it started. I Chris Bledsoe actually an experience their lives near me. And so he and I became friends my family befriending his family. We know each other we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view of the life of an experience her as well as I mean, I been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff. You can say, right. So you know, what what are you happy religion? But a lot of weird stuff you have you know, people walking on water. You have angels you have delays. You know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have these. Weird things and we studied them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things for things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I began to you know, Chris son went to my university. So we had occasion, Chris my had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up, and they would want to basically talk to Chris and innocence and not just the experiences in general. So I by this time, you know, this is about to, you know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So within two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another group of people around the experiencers, and I called this group. The meta expert. Because they were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing. They were scientists some affiliated with government, son. Not you know. Some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience had for technologies and some of these technologies protect were well-known technologies that were effective. And so this is I think what started to really cause me to shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable. But, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with the screenwriters and producers of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters tell because I was helping them with their their script about Catholic culture. They could tell the something's going on with the. Say what did he our out, Diana? I'm gonna ask you to hold there for a second. We have to take a break when we come back. I wanna get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs. We'll be right back. Find out more about tonight's guest. Log on to coast to coast AM dot com. Nine. With. News on the hour on the half. And when it breaks. Michael survey live the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. Authorities say they're investigating after.

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"diana walsh" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

News Radio 810 WGY

03:21 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

"Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion. Her research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often at this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious what you set out to do. You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, well, the timing is great. Yes. It is great. George. Thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I look at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even calling in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not theologians or we're not ministers and some of us are really just in some of us are not. And basically what we do. We have ACA Ganic tools, we teach dis and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions as you know, beliefs, and we don't come down on the side of whether or not. Gotta be this or not really that to floss affairs of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic, the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to you a couple of days in the book, the first thing I wanted to do with to show how. Our new environment, which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religious acidy to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society. So what I'm looking at is how you technologies change how we exist. And I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that your face today. Inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence fees like angels, and even demons and jackson-lee had pointed this out in passport to Mongolia in nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these are the two things I set out to do what actually happened..

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"diana walsh" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

11:29 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"In the country. Text Iraq to 79645, that's D. I R E. E c t to 79645. Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion. Her research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often add this book has been praised as being. Nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious. What you set out to do? You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, well, the timing is great. Yes. It is great. George. Thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I look at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even calling in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not theologians or not ministers. And some of us are really just some of us are not. And basically what we do. We have ACA Ganic tools, we teach dis and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions, as you know, we don't come down on the side of whether or not God. Exists or not we leave that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices met type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic. I'm Catholic historian basically, and I set out to do a couple of days in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show how our new environment, which is digital a digital environment screen technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religio city to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention writing thousands of years ago changed society. So what I'm looking at is how you technologies change. How we and I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that you're today inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence feels like angels and even demons and Jacques fillet had pointed this out in passport Chima going. Yeah. In nineteen fifty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these are the things I said out to what actually happened. I do those things, but what I started this research in two thousand twelve but what actually happened was that the book in a way and the research really took my life over. So when I think of my research, you can even see it if you look at my publications, I'm preachy thousand twelve post two thousand twelve and. My life is completely different now. So when I studied Catholic culture, and I studied beliefs that Catholics from Seda h hundreds had I never ran into scientists. I never ran into people affiliated with the government never had the kinds of experiences. Some scary that I had while studying that stuff so as soon as I got into the territory of UFO's the landscape change completely. And I found myself in a really really weird. Research site, basically research area and to Mexico ended up in the book going to the Vatican. And I met a lot of people early on in that Jacques valet who mentored me and helps me think three's kinds of things Jeff cry pool and an inspiration and mentor as well. And there were times when I decided this is not going to use see it's just too weird and something with me back in. So and this is so I'm glad you you understood that and and saw that this was something that and you know, the the book is described it's an Oxford. It's a published by Oxford, which is an academic press. And I wrote the content of the book, but the descriptions is a book edited by my editors in their their they don't necessarily describe the contents of the books a lot of people read it, and they go this is just, you know, somebody who's reducing you associate Justice mythology. I believe and I want to say, no, no, it's not actually I want you to read the book, it's different than that. Because. My regional descriptions were actually edited quite well. Let's just put it this way. They were edited lot to the point that they didn't look like my descriptions anymore. So there was that one other thing before we go on to some other questions is that the dividing folly, you mentioned this between you know, what normally called the nuts and bolts people who are interested in kind of, you know, let's let's apply the scientific method to this thing and find the physics of the craft and how they, you know, the propulsion and how they work and everything and is often put into you know, it's versus the more religious oriented. Some would say Woohoo aspects of phenomena, and what I found was that as I got into the issue, and I talked to scientists you actually worked with the phenomena that this issue was actually a false dichotomy. Me and how they're not mutually exclusive. No, they're not at all. I mean, you can't really separate these out. So I tried my best to explain this in the book as well. And actually the characters a lot of the characters in the book some of who are anonymous for good reason and has to be. These are scientists here at the top. They're women scientists at the top of their game. I wanted to know if you would call this a transformation for you. And I say that for for this reason, it's a, you know, it's a steep learning curve. I remember when I started, and I've I've talked about this before on the program. So I I apologize to those heard it. But you know, I I was thinking to myself. Well, this this field is a mess, and what it needs is a good reporter and give me six months in hall. Have this all figured out? And of course, you know, it's thirty years later, and I I made no less now than when I when I started because it it really leads you, and so many different directions in unexpected directions. And I know it changed the direction of my life in in very distinct ways. And I wanted to if that is accurate in describing what's happened to you. Yes. I think you know, John Knox the person who made this well known in the nineteen eighties and nineties at Harvard professor called it. The the pitch to Milwaukee coal Shifter the metaphysical shock, right? And and no doubt. I had that I had that into it. When when I started I Chris Bledsoe, actually experience or lives near me. And so she, and I became friends my family befriending kids family, we know each other we would have dinners together. And so I got kind of like an inside view of the life of an experience her as well as I mean, I've been studying religion, basically, my whole life. And I have the tools to study weird stuff you can say, right? So know what you happy religion. But a lot of weird stuff. You have you know, people walking on water. You have angels. You have. You know, we're talking about all traditional religions in some ways have these weird things. And then we studied them. So I I already had the tools to study them. But the tools that I had were ones that I used for historical things things that are in the past for things that I didn't necessarily believe in. And when I began to you know, Chris son went to my university. So we had occasion, Chris my had occasion to talk all the time. And I met many people that he knew and I guess what happened was that? I I met also scientists would show up, and they would want to basically talk to Chris and innocence and not just Chris the experiences in general. So I by this time, you know, this is about to, you know, I'm I'm pretty gung ho about my research. So within two months, I knew many many experiences, and and I met a another. Group of people around the experiencers in I called this group the meta experiencers because they were experiences some of them, but not all of them. But what they were doing what they were scientists some affiliated with government not. Some affiliated with institutions, and they were using this information that the experience or had for technologies, and some of these technologies were well-known technology that receptive. And so this is I think what started to really cause me to shift. My my perspective, my life view, my life perspective, and it was quite radical. It was quite uncomfortable. But, you know, exciting. I mean, it was a lot of different things at the time as well. I was working with the screenwriters and producers of the conjuring, and so the screenwriters to tell because I was helping them with their their script. You know, about Catholic culture. They could tell the something's going on with the then would say, what would you sticking out, Diana. I'm gonna ask you to hold there for a second. We have to take a break when we come back. I wanna get into that talking about your work on the conjuring. And and how it affected your views and. Set you on the road to American cosmic cat Stevens has the first of a trio of moon songs. We'll be right back. Find out more about tonight's guest. Log on to coast to coast AM dot com..

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"diana walsh" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

03:18 min | 2 years ago

"diana walsh" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Welcome back. Diana walsh. Pacifica is a professor of religious studies at the university of North Carolina Wilmington and chair of the department of philosophy and religion, a research focuses on religion and technology, including supernatural belief in its connections to digital technologies and environment. Her new book American cosmic includes a lot of names of of iconic figures in the fields that we talk about on this program often at this book has been praised as being nothing short of spectacular and intriguing and I would have to agree with that assessment. Diana, welcome to the program. Thank you, George. I'm happy to be here. I was curious. What you set out to do? You know, what the thesis was when you started down this road. And how that changed over the course of the next couple of years. I mean, I would have to think it was changed a lot considering what you learned and recent events. I mean, wow. The timing is great. Yes. It is great. And George thanks for being such a great reader of my book. What you said was, you know, I look at the connections between religion and UFO's and the book is considerably much bigger than that. And that's exactly what happened. So I have to say a bit about what I do. So in religious studies a lot of people even calling in history. And and, you know, people at the university are unaware of people who study religion from an academic perspective. And there are, you know, a few thousand of us in the United States, and we're not theologians or not ministers and some of us are religious and some of us are not. And basically what we do is. We have academic tools we teach and we look into the ways in which people practice their religions, as you know, beliefs, and we don't come down on the side of whether or not God. Exists or not we leave that to philosophers of religion. So we look at religious practices, and that type of thing. And so I had written a book on purgatory Catholic, the Catholic historian, basically, and I set out to do a couple of things in the book. The first thing I wanted to do with to show how are noon firemen, which is digital a digital environment. Screens technology has allowed for a new type of what I would call a religious to emerge and just like the printing press created and helps the Protestant reformation or the invention righty thousands of years ago changed society. So what I'm looking at is how technologies change how we and I was particularly particularly looking at religious belief system. Also wanted to address the idea that you're today inspired the same sort of experiences that members of other cultures experience with respect to non human intelligence beings like angels, and even demons and jackson-lee had pointed this out in passport to Mongolia in nineteen sixty eight which is an excellent book. And so I, you know, these.

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