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The Standard is the Standard: Why Steelers fans should be even more optimistic about Devin Bush in 2020?

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57:42 min | 11 months ago

The Standard is the Standard: Why Steelers fans should be even more optimistic about Devin Bush in 2020?

"Welcome back listeners to another episode of the standard is the standard and joining me on this episode of the standard is the standard we have film breakdown connoisseur. Jeffrey Benedict of behind the steel curtain dot. com does a fantastic job on the website of breaking down film and doing a great job with film study Jeffrey Welcome to the program once again. Thanks for having me Lance. If you guys in check out our last podcast, we did a fantastic podcast. Geoff broke down Meka Fitzpatrick and you can find that on the streaming fee. Do a search for Lance Williams Geoffrey Bennett Meka Fitzpatrick. You can find it that way. make sure you subscribe to the program like the program before we jump into it because we got a lot of nuggets that we want to jump into it, when thank everybody in the live chat when a thank the Oracle of the website and the editor Dan Scofield think his brother big. Bo Sco. WHO's Bad Brian Anthony Davis. Mike Tony, depth. The whole team that brings you fantastic steeler content, so let's jump right into it. And the name of this program listeners is why steeler fans should be optimisitic about Devon Bush. Let's jump into the first question. What are Devon Bush's strengths? What does he bring to this football team? I think first off athletism. He's an incredible athlete. Quickness agility. He's got all of it. Another strength of his. He's great. He sees the play in front of him. He reads what's going on with. The offense reacts to quickly. I would separate that from football intelligence he. Learns very quickly. You see as a high level of understanding of what's going on in front of him and with the defense, not just that he sees it, but he's. He really understands it. He's. He watches a lot of film. You know that kind of thing and last one is his learning curve. which is a big which is to me? has his big thing is how fast? He picked up position at an NFL level. It, point to your article. We talked off air. You said you had an article that I. Believe You, it written where you demonstrate that from a field perspective of his learning curve in his ability to learn so rapidly. Yeah, that's actually coming out tomorrow. Tomorrow morning that's GonNa. Come out on the site and really showing is if you take a lot of. Plays from when he was early in the season when he was, he was biting on play action really hard, and they're just like especially in the San Francisco Games they're just they're just don't over said they're fake. Hand off and thrown over his head all game and I talked about an enduring the season where they're going to keep going to that. Like Seattle went to. That scored a touchdown over into two will digitally San. Francisco did it all game. Cincinnati did it. And then you saw Baltimore start doing it, and he got the interception of Nick Royal, where they threw it over Devon. Bush and it boils started to catch it and Devin. Bush took it out of his hands. It was interception and after that team stop throwing that they stopped running those tight end. Seem routes just throwing over Devon Bushes head? Because they know there's a chance you're GONNA hit the tight end, and he's just GonNa. Take it away from him. there was also. Outside runs he got better defending outside runs. As the season went on early on, you could see. He was chasing the running back and then about halfway through the season. you start seeing. Him Start to get in front of the running back. It's kind of hard to think of like. How Ray Lewis used to do it where he would get to. where the running back was trying to go before the running back would right right. That's kind of a Devon Bush started doing. He started to pick up where those holes work. Get to him and all of a sudden running backs like Oh, there's my whole in Devon. Bush's like right there in his face. Not running sideways, trying to take an angle and giving him an outside run, but just there in front of him making the running try to get around him, and he really improved that way now. That's good that you're talking about his learning curve because I want to jump back into that. In a question that I have later in the interview, so what? We're GONNA do listeners for you is? Being Stolen Jeffries answers. We're going to try to frame it in terms of why the steelers should be optimistic, so based on his strengths. Jeffrey why should the steelers be optimistic about Devin Bush as a player? Well a guy with his athleticism, right? The Sky's the limit I mean we see that with Tj what he is such an athlete that the more the smarter he gets, the more moves he gets, the faster. He reads it the offense. Like he has the speed. He has the strength athleticism to make place. Devin Bush has that athleticism. He has the ability to read the defense. He sees what's going on the field really well. He was a playmaker as a rookie. and. That's just going to increase. In my opinion. That's only going to increase this coming season even. And also with his learning curve. I think of big deal of his learning curve is. There's almost nowhere to exploit this. This young man like he is one of the younger players in the NFL. He's twenty two this season. He's going to be twenty two years old and he got rid of this flaws. All the ways teams could attack. Him disappeared last season. He sold them in season. So coming into this season, it's just like getting better than he already was, and he was already in my opinion, one of the better inside linebackers in the league by the end of the season. Will based on that analysis, steeler fans should be absolutely optimistic and I and I and I. Love The point that you made, and it's when athleticism. And football, IQ matchup especially when you're elite athlete. That's when you can take the next step, and that's when you can be in elite player. That's when you can be a player like a Ray Lewis. You can be a player like Ryan Shay Zere. You can be an elite player because you have that knowledge and you have that athleticism now. I WANNA flip side. Let's take a look at Devon Bush's weaknesses. What were some of the weaknesses that you identified on feel? Really of Like I said earlier in the season yet quite a few. He had quite a lot of them. But they just kept getting removed from his game. He got better at getting on tight ends and staying in the right position. By the second half the season you see playoffs and plays where he comes up the by the time the quarterback turns around from faking the hand off Devon Bush dropped five yards and he's dropping into his position. There's nothing gained by the play action at that point. By the end of the season last year, really the weaknesses he had was. He's short. And, he's smaller like he's. He's not gonNA live on Kirkland, somebody he's GonNa. Run into an offense of Lineman. He's given up eighty pounds. But at the same time I like even that you're talking about that being a weakness week three last season he took on. Kyle US check I believe that's how you pronounce his name the like all world fullback. League seeing who's a phenomenal blocker. He comes up hits. US check and still makes the tackle like he got blocked by one of the better fullbacks in the league still makes the tackle. He's not going to take on three hundred and twenty pound guys with thirty two thirty three arms, and be able to do much. They get a hand if they get a hold of him. But you also see him being really hard for them to get a hold of. There's plays where he's right there with them, but he's just agile. He's shifty and he's moving away from. They can't get him, and he just goes and makes the tackle, or he can get around him that he can get under. There's as he can get past them, but on plays were they get if they get a hand if they going to hand on his chest. If they get a hold of him, he's done. I, mean he's not gonna the Russell. Offense Lineman the other thing is with its height. There's a couple of plays you see him. Drop back especially off play action a couple times. He dropped back and they threw over his head and you see him. Jump and like the balls like half an inch above his fingers, and you're like well if he was six one. You. Know it had an inch longer are because of. That's an interception. He's just not gonNA. Be Able to get to some things. He's going to have a hard time doing it. And when he does deal with people throwing over him with tight ends like he did in the Baltimore game, he attacked. The ball. Is the tight end was trying to bring it in. But he can't get up there at the catch point if the tight ends extended up. He's just too short. So that's really has big weakness. and. That's interesting that you say that. Because that was some of the things that draft Nixon. Draft pundits pointed out. Is that he just in general is small stature, but again I'm going to throw it back to the question that we're talking about with this particular show given the weaknesses that you've laid out. Why should steeler fans be optimistic still about Devon Bush within that context? I think how they used him his ability to adapt the situation, and and and overcome his weaknesses is a big part, but I'll be optimistic because the steelers found ways to better use him as the season went on instead of him covering people deep. We saw more use of. LET'S CALL IT A. sorry. Pattern matching zone. Where's the slipped? My mind where you got three guys on one side and you've got three defenders lined up there in Devon Bush's the guy on the on the insights, locker, or the tight end there if they were that guy de instead of having Devon Bush. Covering one of the cornerbacks takes that guy and Devin Bush takes whoever comes to the inside, so he doesn't have to leave that area like he's not trying to cover someone deep. He's right there covered underneath route, which plays directly into his strengths of lateral movement. He can stay with those guys. In what he's describing listeners? If you can envision it, think of the New England patriots that ran a ton of crossers maybe about. Seven to ten yards deep, and they run a lot of crossers at your face in what they want you to do is chase the crossers to create natural picks or natural rubs, and just think of eshelman killing I don't know why I'm forgetting his name. Lawrence Timmons just think of eshelman killing Lawrence Timmons on underneath crossers when the steelers are running man instead of pattern matching in passing off that action underneath, so you just run and chase the guy that crosses your face in so to what you're saying. That makes perfect sense in terms of Devon, Bush in how they utilize them and I'm glad you talked about how they utilize him. Because I think that leads to the next question was. How were the steelers utilizing him over the course of the season? What packages and kind of how did that morphine change as he began to develop as a player? They used him. Anytime there were two middle inside linebacker. If they were to inside linebackers, he was on. He was one of them. Except early in the season they did do some mark baron and Vince Williams packages, which didn't work well and pretty quickly that got switched to Devin Bush and Vince Williams and then mark. Barron was the dime Baecker so you saw a lot of Devon Bush in nickel. You also saw him some. In the bigger three four set. But not a lot. That was mostly saw the baron and Vince Williams combination, and even as the season went on one of the interesting things I've found for that is. Instead of going to. A three four look. And then going bigger to like four look when teams went really big like the Baltimore Ravens were putting an extra offensive linemen and extra tight end, and there's like one wide receiver out there. They're in a jumbo package. The steelers would counter that with three defensive linemen both Bud Duprey Anti J., what and then they would have all three of the inside linebackers on the field at once. there was a few times they went. There Nicholas usually. You know two defensive lineman DuPrey and TJ Watt the outside and then two inside linebackers. There were a couple of times where they would go with three of the bigger. Defensive, Lineman like a three man front. And then they would have three three linebackers behind them for like the old three three look and really low yardage they you could have cam hayward bud DuPrey and TJ Watt Upfront and all three linebackers behind them. All three of the middle linebacker behind that Devin Bush got in on those his major usage was in nickel. and. That was that was the big one Mark Barron was the Dinakar. When he was out when he missed the game weeks six seven Bush played in the dime. And they kind of just put him into Mark Barons Role, and he didn't do well. But that was game week six by the end of the season he he had improved a lot in those areas so thinking about like. How. I'm sorry I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm getting off track. It's fine. It's fine. What what I think you're illustrating is that he's very versatile and because he's a very versatile linebacker. Naturally, the steelers and steeler fans should be very optimistic about him. Because of his athleticism, his smarts his versatility, he could be used in a variety of packages, which makes him in every down linebacker, and you can put him in a lot of different situations. Now correct me if I'm wrong I. Think last year you wrote an article about the steelers using a three five look where you have three down linemen in five. Five linebackers if you did not just illustrate the flexibility that gives the steelers defense when they put five linebackers on the field where they had the three inside linebackers in Vidi Vici Bush Baron that they did last year, and they have TJ in but to pre on the field just go into a little more detail about that when they sort of used it, and what type of flexibility that provided the steelers in just how good Devin Bush was in that role in that particular alignment. Yeah, that was a really good. Really good set for the steelers actually did quite well out of it because a lot of times especially with Baltimore. Both of them are love doing that San Francisco did it a bit to us. But they'll go with that big heavy set. And then they'll throw. The ball because Baltimore has three tight ends, so they can put three tight ends out there and you're like okay. They're gonNA pound the ball. So we get all our big guys out there, and then they run a pass play, and those tight ends are going deep because you don't have the defensive backs to cover them. And in those sets, Mark Baron and Devin. Bush were incredibly valuable. Because they cover those guys, they could cover the most athletic tight ends. They could cover wide receivers in a pinch out really good route running running backs. They could cover them. And, you know you're kind of protecting Vince Williams a bit. He doesn't have to do as much and even if you have you know bud, duprey and Tj what needs to drop into coverage in a situation where there are only going to rush for one of those guys needs to drop. They can do it. It gave a lot of versatility and it also put. Devon Bush in one of my favorite spots for him which is. The middle linebacker role instead of an inside like macrey Buck linebacker, the Middle Linebacker, more of a four three type of middle linebacker. Look, he is so good in those in those looks, which really allowed the steelers to do a three three. Formation or A five where when they light up. It's kind of like the old five three eagle the. Deterrent where he kind of plays that middle linebacker role and matter if you run to the outside. The line back on the outside can come up and handle blocking fullback tight end endeavor bushes free to run. And that's where he really shines is anytime. You have Devin Bush. Near the line of scrimmage. is on the play. Not Turn it around to follow a running back or a tight under a wide receiver, but he has his eyes on the whole play. He is deadly. He so good at that very similar. Very similar to a a fitzpatrick. We have two people in the middle that if they are just watching the play and able to attack forward. Their credible. Where Devin Bush actually stronger talking laterally so he can watch the play, and it's like Oh, the place to the right side of the field will get done Bush is going to be there to meet it if it's going to let. Devin Bush is gonNA. Get there and meet it wherever it's going. He's going to find that play, and so when he has his eyes on the quarterback is on the play. He is incredibly good. And that's that's why he fits so well with Mark Barron because Mark Barron could take the jobs where he's chasing tight end around, or he's chasing a running back around in. In in route, running and Devin Bush's able to watch the play. And just read what's going on. People coming underneath into his own running back slipping out late, he, he destroyed those place. Let me, ask a question, 'cause you. You've mentioned Mark Barron numerous times. Do, you think mark Barron was is the perfect complement that type of Linebacker is a great compliment. For Barron. And do you think Ulysses Gill? But the third could be that type of player to complement Devon Bush like Mark Bear, or could you foresee the steelers possibly trying to give mark Barron a cheap deal? Mark Barron back. To slot him back on this defense. I could see them giving a shot for Mark Barron a comeback, but I. Honestly I think Devon. Bush is ready to take over the dime role dieback role. And he's a linebacker dime. And Nickel. And in the bigger sets like there's not a lot of snaps to go around, so if mark Barron came back here, it would be not just for less money, but it would be for a significantly reduced role. And I really don't see that happening. I think I think Tomlin's kind of guy who would be up front with him. Be Like we'll take you back, but you're not gonNA play as much you're not. You're not going to be the dime Guy Devon. Bush has taken that because I think you'll be better at that than him. And that's one of the reasons. I think. Ulysses S Gilbert Ken fill that role. Is because it's not a big rule. It's GONNA be. Some Nickel Some three linebacker packages. Some of those those roles are going to be open for Gilbert. The most of the time it's doesn't Bush is going to be on the field as much as they possibly can. He's going to be onfield if he can be on these out the enough to be out there. He's going to be out there. WHO's GONNA play more snaps next to him. Next year is going to be Vince as we're going to be Ulysses Gilbert before I jump into our next Devon Bush. Question WHO's GonNa? WHO's GonNa? Play more snaps next year as that second inside linebacker position because I think we both agree the Devin Bush is GonNa play? He's going to be on the field as much as terrell happens. Is I mean he's GonNa play a Santa Snaps. All the packages because between Minka Admins, T., J., Watt, and Devin Bush you put freaky athletic guys on the field in the more athletic guys in, but the pre is another freaky athletic guy. You could freaky athlete guys on the field. You coach them up. You let them go running hunting. Hit in just create having. Who's the guy is going to play? More snaps Gilbert, or is it going to be fitted? Each events Williams who plays more snaps next year as that other inside linebacker. Go with Vince Williams. I'm a huge Vince fan as a person I. Don't think he fit the best with Devon Bush. But I think they've got enough time together. To try and kind of figure that out better. And I think Bush has done a better job of playing off of the guy next to him early in the season, it was like. Whoever was in there with them? They were just racing to the ball carrier. They weren't playing smart together they were. Like running into each other chasing the bulk carrier. Adding Devin Bush has gotten smarter about that and I think he will play better with Vince Williams. Vince also. I constantly talk about. He's not good at coverage. GonNa covers. That doesn't mean he can't cover anybody like if there, if it's a number, two tight end or not as athletic tied-in men's Williamson cover them if it's a slower running back, not a great wide, not a great route running running back. He can handle that. He doesn't have a problem with those guys. When you get you know, try calcium there. If you put Vince Williams on a tribe Chelsea. You're going have a very very long day word. We saw that we thought thousand eighteen with chiefs where Chelsea just ran down the middle of the field and was open every play. That's that that's murdered. That that that that is You get arrested for for for that that you could get some time That could be considered a crime. In most jurisdictions on those place. Coming in and twenty twenty I would expect to see if we're facing the team with more athletic tight end. It's giving US problems I would expect to see. them either use Ulysses Gilbert or use an extra safety or even just. Move Trial Edmonds into more of A. linebacker roll. which is another thing I could see? Is the steelers actually running a dime? Look the kind of using trial edmonds more as a linebacker and putting one of the other defensive backs like Kam Sutton deeper. And just being like yeah, we'll roll dime. It's Kinda of nickel in Terrell out there. He can kind of play that. Role in a Hindi him and mark Barron were very similar size. Athletic profiles and Edmunds frankly was better than Mark Barrett at it, so I could see them in a pinch putting putting Trautmann's up there and saying. Hey, you're gonNA fill that Mark Barron role and let Devon Bush just. Do his thing. It sounds like the flexibility of edmonds may prevent Barron from coming back because he's big enough athletic enough to be in the box and fill some of those roles with Gilbert, and so he becomes sort of your slash inside linebacker in certain packages with Gilbert and with Bush. Let me jump into our next question and we're. You were talking about the progression of Devon Bush over the course of the season so. Often coaches look at the season in terms of quarters, so I want to look at it in terms of quarters and I don't know if you WanNa give me just one word describe where he was in terms of where's progression was, but in the first four games just described how much he progressed in the first four. Just inside the four games in the first four games. And the first four games. He was a rookie man he was. He was making some place he was. He was making plays on the run game. He was making some decent coverage. But. He was vulnerable in the first quarter to play action. He was getting beat by tight ends. He was even getting beat on outside runs he he was. Not The player he was after that the first four Games was actually his rough patch. Now from the first four games to the halfway point described his growth as a player. From game four to gain eight, would you see? As the difference from his play in that four game progression. Will you saw you see in that? Span the interception in Baltimore. Where tight end stopped being able to the teams, basically stop throwing that route. They just data play happened, and it went from a staple play. You saw run against the steelers to other teams as being like now we're not you know it's like I. Just don't throw it through somewhere else. You see him start to get better on the outside runs. But, that will come later. And The big change you see, there is the bye week which is right before in right right in the middle of that they're come into the middle point of the season. You see the defense start to change a lot. That's when the team really adjusted to make. If that's Patrick and that's also when. They kind of fit Devon Bush into a better role as well so I would say the the second. Quarter of the season you saw Devon Bush answer the problem with covering titans and you saw the team start using him. More to his strengths. Now, let's look at the third quarter so going from the halfway point that week eight game to week twelve describe his development. They're. Definitely, he has become a playmaker. At that point, he is very solid player. He's answered almost all of his problems. All of his flaws are gone pretty much, and he is really just solid at that point. So from Game Twelve Game Sixteen. Has He just completely turned a curve. And now he's playing instinctual, and he's playing fast, and he looks like a vet on film described his progression from week, twelve or gained twelve to gain sixteen. What did it look like to you? Those last four games he was an absolute monster of the team had worked more to get him out of roles where he's turned his back to the play where he's worried about covering the tight end. We're us. They're they're leaving. A more in the middle of this is also the time of the season where teams were running on us. Tease were just like we don't. We're not even going to try Sarwan. We're just GONNA run the ball on you and at the same point that we are facing the most runs of any team in the NFL late in the season. We're giving up less and less yardage as Devon. Bush is just strolling teams run game and you would see teams start to focus on running out of time sets. Like they they would put a bunch of just to get. Off the field. which is another reason I really think like the steelers next year. Detrick Bush has to be the dime backer because teams were like okay. If we're going to run on the steelers, we need to do it out of art. We need to get them into dime I and get Devin Bush off the field. Of One of the one of the interesting points for me the first half of the season, the steelers were the sixteenth. Best Team. gave up the sixteenth lowest. Yards per carry ons to the outside. They were right in the middle of the pack right in the middle of the whole league. Second half of the season they dropped from giving up five yards a carry on outside runs to two point nine yards per carry, which was the lowest in the NFL. They went from middle of the road to number one in the NFL and that was almost entirely due to Devin Bush getting better and the steelers making sure he's there in a position to make those plays. Now given his progression. Let's go back to the question we asked. The top of the program is why steeler fans should be optimistic about Devon. Bush why steelers be optimistic about Devin Bush as you articulate his progression as a first year player. I'm going to for this I'm GONNA. Reference The guy I compared him to when he was drafted watching his film watching him play. I compared him because people asking like other Ryan. Shay series he's to be James Farrior. My thoughts watching him play. Is He reminds me so much of Ray. Lewis Lewis Brand, new and delete. Not Not I two thousand ray, Lewis, like a couple years before that when he was brand new, and he was just everywhere, no matter where the ball way he was there, he was gonna find the ball on every play. And that's kind of what Devon pushes plays like he just gets there. He's not the history Lewis was. I mean it's a different league doesn't Bush has to be uncovered more than right Louis ever what had to be and he's going to? Be The hitter Ray Lewis was. But. He tackles people like he doesn't Miss Tackles. He is there in front of the running back like. You just heard Ray Lewis. Talk about he running back to spot like the running back is going to get to this spot and then feeling ray. Lewis's there to meet it. Doesn't Bush was doing that. The Buffalo Game New York jets game. He was meeting people. At the spot where that running back, trying to get to the offensive line has a whole Clare. Devin Bush is just there. And it's IT'S GONNA. Be Incredible having them on the team. one of my other favorite stats that I bring up my article. Tomorrow is. Last year and two, thousand, eighteen, hundred, nineteen, two, thousand eighteen, Sean Davis Free Safety, who played deep safety almost every play. Was tied for third on the team in run tackles. Tied with John Bostick like don bosses are big inside linebacker and Sean Davis. Many solo run stops as John Bostick did. This year with Devin Bush replacing Jon Bostick Mak- Fitzpatrick was eleventh on the team. In tackles on run. Place doesn't Bush had more than twice as many as mink Patrick, so that's a big sign like runs were getting deep Brunswick getting past the Linebacker, and you had safeties coming up, and having to make tackles just to keep the to gain down. You know they were making that because if you're free, safety is tackling a running back. That's not a good play. This is not a good play, and you're also going to get more broken tackles. You get Devon Bush in their Devon Bush's eating. Those run place and they just don't get that far. Let's to the last question or last couple of questions and we're going to turn over to the live chat. In this touches on you said how he was a very smart player at how he was able to eliminate. His mistakes. What's his feeling? And how do you think he'll progress next year? And but before flaw finish though. 'cause someone in a live chat brought it up. This is a very weird year for the preparation of Football Team with the pandemic cove nineteen. Yes, where you think he'll be in his progression. How much do you think you'll progress? And will this weird season of preparing a football team in covert nineteen? Hamper his progression as a player. It probably will, but I don't think we'll notice that. And one of the reasons is. He's in a good spot. The lender of last season he was in a good spot to start the next season and be. approachable, maybe even comp- competing for an all pro. linebacker spot. Losing? The off season will hurt his development some. But the way he adapted week to week the way he improved week to week. I don't think it's going to hurt him much. He was playing more like a veteran. I I. Don't think you can treat him like a normal second year player. Like if you take Terrell Edmunds, we saw trail edmonds improve. In Year two. He got rid of some of the flaws from year one, but he still carried some of them with him. Dead, and Bush got rid of those in year one as a twenty one year old rookie as the youngest player in the NFL I. He's GonNa Start Yeah. He's he's GonNa be twenty two. Why in my opinion, he's going to be possibly the best Middle Linebacker in the AFC he could compete for that. He's incredible I. I say that I'm incredibly excited by him as his ceiling. I I'm not even going to hazard a ceiling for him. because. I I have no clue. We saw him eliminate his weaknesses in my opinion become. Close, to all pro level by the end of the season like he's that kind of a player to me. I can't even. I can't even begin to think where he could end up. He could be array Lewis. He could be that kind of generational talent. First Ballot Hall of Fame Guy. I don't think he'll ever get the recognition. You saw realistic because I. Don't think he's the vocal guy. He's never going to be like. We're playing the steelers. Davin Bush. Devin Bush and the Pittsburgh steelers yeah, have to take a knock it ray a little bit either I. Don't think we'll see him using deer antler. Is Well. Having to apologize for you, know having a murder investigation involved in either. Yes. I hope I hope we don't see that stuff devin Bush. What Ray Lewis did on the field deven Bush. Could become that type of player. Could now that type of player now before we jump into and big up. Let me jump into the seat. This dealer super chat here because I do want to mention this. Bradley James, thank you for the one ninety nine. He said big up to the ST goals looking gear. It is actually the Saint Paddy's Day gear, so the Hoodie that I have on is a Saint Paddy's Day that you can't really see it because my name is blocking it, but this is the Saint Paddy's Day. Hoodie with the same patties they had you know I like the switch it up for you guys in. Keep you guys guessing but before we jump into. I WanNa jump into one live chat question because Albert. Fujisaki is my defacto co host. You really like Alford's questions always bump Alfred questions before everyone else. If there is in a super chat and Alfred said Shazia second year jump was really impressive. Do you think Bush has a similar jump or do you think he'll improve even more than shadier in year two and just do the. We Love Ryan Shazier I thought Ryan Shazier was really play. I thought Ryan had some issues some significant issues to his game. Compare the two. And speak to Alfred Fujisaki's question about the year to jump. For Devin Bush. Shazia in Devon. Bush very different players Ryan Shazier when he started to shine was when he stopped trying to be. A normal middle linebacker. And just a tactical was just incredible when he was arrested when he was just attacking the play forward vertically, just Bam hitting holes going through people making plays in the backfield. That's where he really started to shine. Devin, Bush is more of a lateral player. So, it's more like fear would blow up a play, but he'd also miss a play that would get outside of them or. Dead and Bush has more the player that he's not going to misplace. He's going to get there. He's going to find the ball He won't make as much many splash plays. In forcing fumbles getting sacks stuff like that like Chaisiri did. But we already saw Devon Bush at the ball is on the ground Devin Bush on it. Like if the ball's tipped up in the air, doesn't Bush sly into it like he can be playmaker in that regard, but he's not gonna be living in the opponents backfield as much as Ryan Shay Zero does. And if he ends up doing that than he's going to be an incredible player if he can do what he does, and also start making a lot of plays in the backfield. He'll be incredible. Now in our last interview, we talked about Minkah Fitzpatrick in just how much of a fit Minka was for this defense in just how important Minka is to this defense at how sort of music affect this defense to the next level? It was the perfect complement for perfect match, perfect fit in it took the defense to this to this other lofty level that we think that this defense is how vital is Davin Bush to this defense and speak to. Having. Three. Elite athletes in the middle of your defense. You're talking about Devon. Bush talking about Edmonds in talking about Minka Fitzpatrick speak to that dynamic in just. How vital is Devon Bush to this defense? If the steelers were if Devon Bush were to be injured for several games, COULD THEY RECOVER? How could they be just? How vital is Devin Bush to this defense and speak to the dynamic of having very athletic players in the middle of your defense? Remember last week. You asked me about. It gets too much or too little credit and I said I kind of hesitant, said both like he he deserves a ton of credit. But the other player I mentioned. Deserve credit is Devon Bush. I'm going to stand by that and say Devin Bush is incredibly important. I think mink of Bajic is more important because we don't have anyone else. That can be a really good deep free safety if he's not on the field. And you know as Devon Bush's. They're run plays or going to get two three four more yards. You're going to see. More big runs you're going to see to see more tight. Giving trouble at make of his Patrick is out. You're GONNA see guys throwing deep. And get in touch downs, so I think there's a different scale there in in in the value. Of. Is Very very important as defense for taking it to the next level, and as you said with the athletes having. Terrell Edmonds and Mingka Fitzpatrick kind of in the middle at safety and strong safety and Free Safety Devon Bush at Middle, linebacker. That's incredibly incredibly hard for defenses to attack the steelers with especially with as good as Minka is attacking forward into the middle of the defense and a strong as Devon Bushes, attacking from the middle outside, and also attacking middle runs and defending short passes over the middle. It takes away the middle of the field, the entire length of the entire from the from the line of scrimmage. Out Is. The middle of the field is dawn. It's just not somewhere. You can attack. That's the best places to attack. They did a whole statistical analysis and showed the middle of the field was by far the most important part to defend and the steelers have data. And not only do they have those three I'll add in with with having elite athletes is we've got bud depre- and TJ Watt as well. So, it's if you try to go outside. You've you've got bud? Do Pre? You've got TJ what? Got Done Bush Terrell, edmonds who run down a lot of players to the sideline. Where Okay Yeah you escaped led do pre. But you're out of bounds because. Bush, and is right there and they're not. You turn the corner. They're all incredible. That's defense is set up to be ridiculous next season yet. When you look at it, let me let me jump into a super chat here. they. They are so athletic, they they. They are so talented on that side of the Ball WanNa. Thank Dave Shipley for the two bucks. Thank you. Dave and also want to jump into this five bucks from. From Snowman I did not know this I should happy. Eighty seventh birthday to the Pittsburgh steelers and happy sixty eighth birthday to the Great Middle Linebacker Jack Lambert, so it is truly an awesome day in Steeler Land July Eighth I did not know that. Did you know that Jeffrey? That today was the steelers organization birthday? No, I did not I did not know that. In my own anniversary I. Get in trouble all the time. Well, you can write that down, so let me give you a word of advice. Write that down protect the middle of the field in right that down. Because you want to be compromised right down the middle. You gotta get one date right in the year. Get Net date right I told her and actually reminds me now. Will remind me so okay. Put it in your cell phone. Your cell phone write it down, said like ten times in remember, but I feel bad that. I did not know that this was the birthday of the Pittsburgh. steelers because I'm a northside guy, so the Rooney's are probably day. Come from maybe about ten minutes from where I grew up so I feel kinda bad being nor cider is well that I did not know that. Let me jump into a couple of questions here before we get Outta here, Andrew Will Bar, asked the following question. Can't my Michigan Man Devon Bush being all pro in twenty twenty? AM. I'm a Michigan man also born in Adrian, then a University of Michigan Fan longer than I even. Professional football was a thing. Devon Bush. Yes. He can be an all pro in twenty twenty. I think he's got a really good shot at it. Let me, ask you let me jump to this other question. Some of these questions will not be about Devin Bush, but we're going to jump into them anyway. This is from steelers fan one. What about Joe Haden? How many years do you think he has left? He was good last year. I give them at least two more at corner. And I also think he is kind of guy that can move to a safety move to. Change his position to give him a little more a few more years. He's already lost them speed. But you don't see him get so until. He's lots of speed that he can't make up for it. Was His veterans savvy? Then? That's what he's going to be gone, but I think. He gave them a couple more years. Asiatic Noble, this is not a question, but a comment intimidate think if this is true or false that Bush will have around five interceptions. Six forced fumbles in five recovery's in twenty twenty. That's a nice little. Grab bag right there. Five six five. I would not bet against the fumble recoveries. I think he can reach that pretty easily. Interceptions, I don't know teams. They're going to have to throw it. Somebody on one hand I'm like teams aren't GonNa Throw, it make Fitzpatrick Oh teams aren't gonNA throw at Joe Haden Kingston. Throw it, Steven Nelson last year. Teens aren't gonNA throw it. They've got it throw at somebody. If the steelers offense is moving the ball, they have to throw somewhere. He could see that if teams decide the Devin Bush is a guy they want to. Attack could get five interceptions. Forced fumbles that. would be area he would. That would be an improvement. E was not a big fumble coarser. He is more of a just a strap tackler. If you can throw in that like T., J., watt style, rapid and punch, you could see him force more fumbles. That would be a great way to for him to improve it. That would definitely play him as a first team, all pro. Yes that means the voters who don't necessarily watch a ton of everybody. If you create those types of splash plays absolutely get you on all protein. We have a suggestion for you. Though Jeffrey with your issue about your anniversary Snowman said Tattoo your anniversary on your forehead, so you won't forget. I can get a tattoo on my arm or something. It brush my teeth. Be Like Oh yeah. Yes. Yes, yes, so you get a I know my anniversary. It's August twenty fifth. And I will be twenty years this year August twenty, fifth, two thousand. I'm hitting twenty so I. Know See I I I'm well schooled I I. Know My keys, my my my key in diagnosed my recognition, you know by the third quarter of my marriage I had it locked I make that mistake after year ten an AC-. On Devon Bush route I I am progressing. Look a little slower than he did. Alfred Fukuzaki jumped back in and asked another question does Devin Bush have a better year than bobby, wagner or Darius Leonard does. He entered the highest echelon of middle linebackers next year. I can see him having a better year. Than Darius Leonard Hard hard to have better seasons. Bobby Wagner. By could see him passing various Leonard. I think teams are are learning better how to avoid. Leonard and I think with the roster. The steelers have you're. You're gonNA have a really hard time avoiding Devon Bush. I don't know how I. Don't think I. I've seen The guy from Seattle I. Don't think I've ever seen bobby. Wagner MISSA tackle. I mean I. Like like honestly, and that's not hyperbole like he's not always there like making tackles in the Backfield, but when he hits, you is over the plays ranged. It's done I. don't even see guys really fallen forward went bobby wagner gets a hit. You know how linebackers hit a guy and therefore progress will still get them another three you when Bobby Wagner hits you. You know it's done. It's over. It's Veneto Here's another. Here's another suggestion for you from Russ Oath Stein. He said I tattooed my anniversary on my shoulder. So the shoulders have good look you can. You can hide it when you want with the the very nice boba. Fett, T shirt or that DJANGO FIT. My. Okay so you're Nice Boba Fett. T shirt. It could be right here. You know just neatly you know, but here's the thing, though if you tattoo. Are you gonNA. Do European dating so you're GONNA go year month day, are you? GonNa go US just dad month day year. which way would you do it? Oh the numbers are the numbers are low so it. It would like if I put it if I put it European dating, I'd be three months off. Let me to another question. This questions from Bradley James and thank you for the Super Chat Bradley. Thank you for the multiple questions in super chat. Do the steelers draft another middle linebacker high next year to pair with Bush, given the aging Williams. I don't think so I'm a I'm a firm believer in. Gilbert. And again if it's A. High linebacker. Like allow the snaps. She's not GonNa be on the field. steelers play a lot of dime. A. There's going be a lot of plays. One of those aren't on the field and with Devon Bush. It's not gonNA be him. He's not going to be the one off the fields, so if they did draft another linebacker high. I don't know how much value that'd be. That wouldn't be the best value my fan. And that's the thing I think that we to consider when you're talking about a number one draft pick. Especially on defense I I'll say both sides football. They have to play. Correct me if I'M WRONG JEFF OR DISAGREE If, you'd like They're gonNA. have to play close to I would say ninety percent of the snaps. Right, yeah, if you're first round draft, pick your. You're going to have to play all the time. You'RE GONNA have to play in every package every. Every lime, every package everything because they're seeing. You have superior athletic ability skill, and you're at the top half of the top one percent, so they want you on the field all the time, and that's what we heard. steelers talk about with nose tackles. They don't value them like they used to. Because they're not three down, guys if they are taking a guy in the first or second round. They want that guy on the field all the time. They don't want that guy to be a situation player, and so unless you can play probably. I'm GONNA guess about eight hundred snaps. You know eight, hundred fifty snaps or more You know you're not. You're not going to be a first round draft. Pick and I WANNA say big up to Adriatic Noble. Thank for the six bucks. No question steelers nation. Let's go and that's always what it's about. It's about steelers nation. Let me to another question and this is why call Albert Fujisaki my co host, because he has great questions, he might as well host the show for me just from his questions so big of Alfred again this Giovanni Braves hargraves departure caused problems for Devon Bush in twenty twenty pretty hard to imagine that his departure won't be felt. I. That's I agree with that in certain circumstances Devan. Hargrave was incredible against zone run plays. I loved him again. Zone. Run place, more power oriented plays. They could move him off the ball with the double team. He wasn't an anchor and hold double team Kinda Guy. But was good on zone place and when teams with Zone Ryan, you would often see Giovane hargrave creating like he would have a grip on the center and the centers trying to like get off of him, and he can't and Devon Bush's shooting through gaps where Devan Hargrave is just not letting people get into those gaps than filled them. He that's where a lot of devon bushes tackles for a loss came so you're going to have to see all Tyson Valu. Fill that kind of a role where he he's able to move laterally and keep those double teams on him and not let the double teams get pushed off of him. In order in order to to fill in for John. Hargrave, but really filled that role. You think there's anybody else on the roster outside of Lulu that will get some snaps. Somebody Young Defensive, Lineman that they've drafted in the last couple of years. You'd think those guys will get any snaps in that role as a it would that be like the Fifth Defensive Lineman, if you're talking about the three man rotation of fourth or Fifth Defensive Lineman, maybe six. Some of those guys getting supplies. You think that'll be warmly. That will be guided. Also can play that role that hargrave didn't able to occupy those double teams against zone runs warmly, or one of the other guys can do that. I don't expect warmly. I think were really is going to be more outside in the in the five tech positions. He's He was good there for Baltimore. I expect Aliu all is GonNa be the big guy inside. I would not be surprised if Daniel. mccullers does not get snaps. As bad as he is on some clays, and his Battisti has been in the past, he he was good on a lot of plays last year. Wait a minute. Wait a minute stop. Hold wait a minute stop. Stop. Stop Stop It slowdown. Listeners you hurt with Jeffrey, said he said Daniel mccullers. Was Good. On some plays. You gotTA, break down. Build. The floor is yours. Please explain that to me and I I WANNA. Write down. We're at fifty one. Forty three in the interview. please. Break that down for me. If the play wasn't going laterally like I said zone plays Devan, hargrave was asked to move laterally with the line Japan hargrave was destined those plays. Daniel mccullers! That's where he would struggle. You saw plays where he actually did okay on that last season, and you saw other place where it was like. He was slow enough that the other guys like moving with the play to try and keep them from getting an opening were crashing into a one-sided creating a big gap on because he was just too slow moving sideways, and he would create openings for running backs just by being slow. But in place where he wasn't asked to move laterally. Plays where he was asked to just take a double team and hold that double team. He was great at that. And if you try to not double team Daniel mccullers, he will just walk your offensive linemen into the backfield almost every time, so if it's A. Power run. You don't WanNa to see Danny mccullers on the other side because you're gonNA, have an offensive lineman in your lap while you're trying to run the ball. He may not make a tackle. He may not do anything good pass place, but you don't WanNa. See that man one on one in an area where you're trying to run the ball. Because he just he's huge. He doesn't get moved and he was driving people forward. Last season so in a very selective role. He has that value and you'll see that when they pair him in the in the two players sets, they would pair him with Giovanni. And he basically just pushed forward and John Hargrave would make moves it, and he would create opportunity for John Hargrave to do stuff because they had to deal with your von with Daniel, mccullers just like driving the pocket back and just. Making a big hole in the run game where you just can't go there. He's just as big stay seater. So. Wasn't terrible. It's interesting that you say that because the live chat is having a ball. Ezra said. Did you say as a Nehemiah said? Did you say good and mccullers in the same sentence Pinero For Narrows Five. Peru, who actually in his picture has his Michigan stuff on bloods He has his Michigan stuff. He's got the bitch beanie. He's got the Hoodie and big up. The Michigan I don't a lot of family from Michigan, but unfortunately I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Piss you off a little bit. Jeff here. My family's from East Lansing. Where sparks. We we are spartans we are spartans. Daniel. mccullers is good. So I? Put it like this Jeff You watch enough film. We will give you the benefit of the doubt on Daniel mccullers. You know my personal thought was. He had the secrets of pruder film in in his in his in his basement, and he had the single bullet theory he he had all that documentation, and somehow you also have pictures of the coaching staff, and that's how he remains on the roster on the roster for at least seven years I think I mean he has been he he. He lasted past his rookie contract, hasn't he? Yes, yes, so They live him they. They like him for some reason well. I'll tell you my thought on why he's on. The roster is because goal line sets. You need someone like him. You in short yardage sets. You've gotTa have that one guy who's just going to be begging and unmovable, and he guy well. He is a monster. So before we get out of here Jeff t article once again. Let them know what you're going to be breaking down and also tell them about the the last part of the secondary article. Tell them about that stuff and what you got coming up before we get out of here. All right like you said my last week after our show. By last part of my secondary evolution zone series was a sized part series. If you go to behind the steel, Kirk curtain and search film room. Those will come up. Tomorrow I'm my article indefinite. Bush comes out. It is called Devin, Bush his best attribute is his learning curve, and it's shows it's all about showing his improvement from the start of the season to the end of the season. In, the future got a series about a tight end about the tight ends. The steelers use them I'm working on, and I'm also working on a play showing how very simple film room showing how things that Matt Canada does did in college are already being done in the NFL and how the steelers might incorporate those similar to place? We actually saw other teams use against the steelers last year. I'm wow. I WanNa see that definitely. I want to definitely check out that one would mccafe is so thank you. Jeff for another fantastic interview and I. Urge you guys to to I either either particular order either listen to this show i. then read the article on Devin Bush or check out the article. I come to the podcast about Devin Bush but put them together as a package, so you can get all the information that you need about. About Devon Bush from bt Esi, we give fantastic content. Jeffords breakdown film putting it on the website. Make sure you check it out there. Tell a friend do everything you can to get this awesome content, but jeff again. Thank you, thank you, everybody in the live chat and you know next time we do this. We're to break down Daniel mccullers and how he changed his the goal line package, and why he is a seven year steeler vet. That going to conclude the program and is always tune in Selah. Friend and so Scott.

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The BTSC Steelers Post Game Show, Part 1: Steelers shut out the noise and shut down the Browns

Behind the Steel Curtain

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The BTSC Steelers Post Game Show, Part 1: Steelers shut out the noise and shut down the Browns

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what's going on this Jeff Hartmann Cutter of behind the Steel Curtain Dot com, with you for A. It's been tremendous this year I'm GONNA be honest. Every single time we've done one of these post game show Postgame, show the steelers win thirty, eight to seventy beat the doors off of the Cleveland browns dominating fashion. We're GONNA talk about it. We're GONNA break it down. You know how we do it joining me as always Brian Anthony Davis days scofield join US shortly, but Brian knee-jerk reactions man what's up? Jeff. This somberly this one was for miles. For Miles we did it for you man yeah. Yes. The most complete game Zina's dealers playing a while. I loved it all my Gosh five zero first time since nineteen, seventy eight I was a fan nineteen, seventy eight but not good not old enough to know what it meant. Yeah I mean people forget the I've earth this article last week about starting for no, and they had done X. number of times and I think that two of the three times eight done it I wanna to say was seventy, nine, seventy, three they lost the next game until they dropped a form one, seventy, eight, team I think that's the record for seven straight wins I think they went to no yes. So. They're already putting themselves up there in some Pretty League company Some of the people in the live chat still. My knee-jerk reaction was not I pretty today thirty, seventeen win I thought the steelers would handle the Browns a lot of people that do are tse tax we run that article every game day now it's a pretty good article for us A lot of people predicted you yourself. You said a close game. If I was going to be close game, this boils down to one thing for me. Baker Mayfield sucks I'm sorry I'm GonNa. Say it again because I don't think he is an NFL caliber quarterback I really don't I think that he is a guy that benefits from a ridiculous ground game in Chubb and Kareem Hunt will chubs not there. He's going against the best rushing defense. They prove that they're the best in this game, and if he doesn't get turnover meaning, not him at the defense doesn't get him turnovers get him extra possession short fields. He's not good enough I will say that until I'm blue in the face I, know he beat the steelers last year in in Thursday night football week ten we all know all about that game. When Ben Rothlisberger is under center Baker is not good enough period. He's not good enough to win. That's what it boils down to you. That's my major reaction Brian. Yeah absolutely you hit it right on the head. He needs that running game the survive and there was no way that running game was going to help him against the steelers defense today it just wasn't as good as Mr. Hunt is Kareem could not Korean gut careened I mean he could not get it going. So I just feel man it feels fantastic because all the talk everything coming from the browns about how they are for real that Ford one start. You know what they were exposed. They were exposed against Baltimore in. Against Pittsburgh. The steelers did beat a team with foreign record. So that actually makes the steelers strength. Look a little better. On that, all you haters out there that is still played. Anyone shut up. All Right Kyle Smith puts five dollars tip jars had that Mayfield? Sucks Jan. going on August my living room I love that I say it all the time in my house just randomly bigger. Mayfield Sucks Sean Manahan judo's dollars in the tip jar thirty, eight, seven, show. Some respect. Let's go steelers. That's right. Sean. Thanks for the tip. We appreciate it. All live chat is buzzing today. Let's bring in Dave Scofield. Dave. What's going on? What's your knee jerk reaction before we dive into the bottom. Oh, I didn't get to hear how you got started. Well, gotTa say the streak is over. It is over We don't have to worry about it anymore. We can go on forward I can attend whether in person or at his house I can watch a game with one Brian Anthony. Davis. and. The steelers can win. We are finally off the whole thing of the steelers had won a game when I watched with Brian so I'm really excited that Brian got to enjoy this game together and the steelers victorious. Not only that bending, get hurt what I was gonna say the only thing is Ben Roethlisberger did not play the entire game which has happened every time we've watched, but it was for the right reasons this time. All right. Let's let's take a quick sidebar here. We are all going to talk about a lot of the highlights. Let's talk about the bad news and that was Devin Bush Devin Bush left the game with a knee injury. If you follow Mike Tomlin and what he says in post game press conferences in his Tuesday press conference, this man does not like to talk about injuries. He never likes to label an injury as bad or say they're being evaluated tests are being done. We'll see. He said this one is quote unquote serious. That's not good in other words as someone that was a a Hack I. Varsity coach for fourteen years of my life, you have to go through a lot of different trainings. There's test you can do on the need Dell right away if it's something that could be pretty bad just needs to be verified for a scan. Av says it seriously than they have a pretty good hunch that it's bad. Now, the maybe fingers crossed it's not something is bad as an ACL. Maybe it's something that he can come back from, for instance. Something like job on the opposite team today he hasn't I think it's an MC l.. He's GonNa Miss Probably four to six weeks in Italy back. Maybe they get lucky and it's something like that the other injuries. Of Note, were Mike with shoulder as well as markey's pounds you with a foot I did not see pounds leave I guess towards the waning minutes of that game they took him out and put it in JC Hassen our Stephan was could be coming back help in the depth that they do need it with mark eastbound but. Brian Anthony Davis I WANNA. Ask You your thoughts on Bush is injury but also his backup Roberts Blaine who came in what are your thoughts Ryan? Well, I gotTa tell you that that just hurts. But this team is proving to be a whole lot deeper when Bush went out. I. Mean I. could see him right away and I know we had some things going on our slack channel where Jeffrey reported that he might have been heard a couple of plays earlier I didn't see that but I can tell as soon as he went down on the sidelines that there is a problem and sure enough it was I mean that kills you because this guy is up and coming he is very valuable in that team you know I thought he. was really turning the corner as far as being an upper ashland defender if he's out, I mean it hurts more for Devin Bush I mean it hurts the steelers as well but I really I just really WanNa see this kid you know finish the season and do what he can do. Hopefully it's not a season ender like you just mentioned as far as Spelane the legacy goes spelane came in and announced his authority with a presence. Now let Dave take this but the reason SPLAINE's in is because he's been playing well when our eyes aren't on them. Hold on Dave Real quick I WANNA get to mark Davis who puts his what are we calling Australian dollars? The Canadian dollars we have the cannot bucks. What are we calling the Australian please don't do an accident. Brian. Please save with all the pain and agony of your Australian accent We'll think about that but he said he's The dollar. Dollar. That's the reason why go Dulles Medina del. He gives us five Bingo. Dulles is that's the reason why Ozzy fans league other four am what our performances dealers need to five. No Baker got cooked that indeed. Thank you mark for that tip. We appreciate it. All right, Dave go and talk about your thoughts on Bush. Oh, well. Bush? Yes. Let's. Picks clear that up. I'm glad. that. Supposed to answer this. All right. So. Lane. The whole reason he's in there is because he earned it you know. A, lot of lot of steeler fans a lot of people come into season. They're like, oh, I feel really confident with you g three. Some people didn't spill lane got the job but by great play, that's why he's there and then we saw what today with the steelers have been seeing since August seventeenth so good for him I really liked what he did there. It was I mean it was in the second I mean he was in for a little I mean, what was it less than two minutes in the first half and then in the second half? So it's not like the game was really in question or that team was game planning for him. But he he got called into action did a great job. They're concerned about that with Devon Bush because Zach what you said coach Tomlin does not usually say stuff like that and e said a significant knee injury after the at in his press conference so. I guess we'll find out. This is one of those that as much as we think, we might find out on. Tuesday there might be reports coming out beforehand there might be report as early as tonight that they they do a scan and you know how Adam schefters and Thom Tillis rose get these notes from team saying that he's done So we might we'll probably find out sooner or later we might already know by the time you're listening to this but at the time that this is being recorded. Devin Bush were to take a wait and see I will say this Blaine he's old school thumper man that guy he's a downhill player. He's more athletic than Vince, Williams Vince Williams in my my opinion is the epitome of a thumper. He just wants to go downhill inflict pain like that's Vince Williams's game. We know this. Is just as good in terms of Vince. Williams not much different Bush but there have to worry about things like he's going to have the green dot now by Tommy was asked in his post game press conference about who's GonNa help the links it's going to be like a community approach. He's dogged about spelane. He said he was he's over thirty even brought up Marcus Allen as potentially flexing down to the linebacker spot so they do have. Some players of warm bodies just remember people freaked out. Brian Davis when she. For was going to have to fill in at right tackle in has anyone complained about him since Now would me now exactly so I'm not saying it's bylanes GonNa jump in and no one's going to remember Devon Bush. No, that's not the case but let's let's trust the depth for a little bit. Let's see what it's made of. They're gonNA have a tough task ahead of them in week seven, Derrick Henry is a freaking monster but regardless. The steelers had a lot to celebrate guys the turning point in the game I, WanNa I wanNA bring this up because I was the one that's been attacking this guy verbally for a few weeks. To me, this game was over with the browns first possession. Third, play picks I seriously Saturn's like a game I. don't think they can come from this. The steelers were running the football when the steelers can run the football well, you it's tough to beat them. It really is because you just can't. You can't pick your poison I. Say all the time you just cannot guard everyone. I thought megabits, Badger played a great game. I've secondary played a great game but guys your thoughts when Banca got the pick six, Brian will start with you. Absolutely what you said I could not say it out loud. But at that point I know how how Baker Mayfield is I'm thinking to my head. Yeah this game's over and I thought it right away. It's a ten point lead just like that they're going to relax Baker go going to press more they're going to go away from the running game which they didn't go away away from that much but I just felt like it's done. What date. I didn't know what to think because at Brian's house. To start off the game, he was a little bit behind. He was read a little bit behind. He had the game caused and I actually saw that mic pick six on twitter before I actually saw it on the field. So I was just like, Oh, and then but I didn't want I tried not to say anything to anybody. But once I saw that on like if this is really true this this is going to be this might just be one of those days for the steelers I was. My biggest concern coming in was, is this going to be one of those days for the steelers were nothing goes right or is it going to be one of those days where they come out and do everything right and that right there just kinda got the tone and that you just knew the kind of day it was going to be as much as anything. It set the tone for sure it at the tone for sure. But you could tell rurally in this game in the browns look the same way we won against the Ravens that they there came a point where they didn't want any part of the game. It's literally look like they were like. This is a different breed of team. This is a different type of opponent. These guys when Baker Mayfield took that shot at the end of the first half where I wanNA sage debris had him by the legs and Cam came from behind him. Kevlar vest or not dad is gonNA hurt in Kevin's fancy. Did him no favours but before we get ahead of ourselves and just go off and all these rants which is fun but still you want to. Try to stay focused here let's go to the box score. Let's do some grades always do start off with Ben Rothlisberger. He finished the day fourteen of twenty, two, only one, hundred, sixty, two yards. That's a little deceiving already played a good game started off rusty a little slow seven point four average one touchdown no interceptions was sacked twice for twenty yards a rating of one. Oh, one guys you're grading Ben Rothlisberger Woody Rating Brian will start with you. A minus. That game I thought he was professional I thought it was good. Day Scofield I like the minus grade not perfect. Especially, you know early with some of those plays. I'm. Not. GonNa Complain about it because. He did everything he had to and luckily. So much of the rest of the team was doing so much that he just did what he All that was necessary and did a great job with it. Going to give them an A. Those are to start the game. We're just dreadful. I mean a company. That was him no I'm not saying it was a couple of. Years technically reading that play whether he's giving it to the running back or he's keeping it during those throws were a little rough started the game but that's what he checked a lot of boxes for me in this game. Nice. Deep Pass the James Washington for touchdown another nice deep pass to chase Klay pool on the sideline. He's slowly he keeps checking off a box you never air yards as I mentioned on my let's ride this week. Everyone's. Yards all these areas he had plenty of air yards today folks. It might have only been a hundred and sixty two, but they didn't need him to why James Connor carries the ball twenty times for one. Oh one he averaged five point one per carry with a touchdown in a long run of forty one guys will grading. Let let's go to the bench. Snell six carries seventeen yards. Two point eight average did score a touchdown. Nice. Run the middle in the the inside the five. Yard line. Chase Klay Pool to carries for seven yards. He had pay dirt again on the ground. Brothels Burger at three carriers as a team they rushed for one hundred, twenty, nine yards. So let's grade the running game. You can include Connor there Brian What do you think? Let me see the other day was my ex factor for this game, and he really helped control the game on the ground. Bend have to do what Ben Needed. Need to go over two hundred yards, they need to just control this game after the start they got James Connor was fantastic. So I'm giving their running game in A. Day, Scofield? Yeah. I'd even possibly go a plus they had some some other good runs call back on on penalties. and. I don't think that they were the penalties that caused to be such a good run. Like. Cleveland was the number four rushing defense coming into this game and Pittsburgh owned it, and I think it wasn't not just about the running backs i. think it had everything to do with the big guys up front. They did a fantastic job. So that's that's an I I mean area plus I'm kind of torn between the two. Yeah I'M GONNA. Go with at a this. The group is a whole. Did a good job I I liked how they got to get Anthony McFarland some touches there in garbage time I know it wasn't didn't amount to much but just getting him the football, the James Connor. He that might have been one of his best performances running back ever remember in a long time not saying ever because he just thought he read his blockers well, he took what was given to him. He didn't try to do too much and that's when sometimes the ball can get a little loose. They protected the football. Absolutely I'll give them an A. is again you'll arrogance is five dollars in the tip jars is cream hunt. This game is forget it. That's right. Yeah. We can walk that as much as we want and that thank you is it for the tip the tip drill we appreciated. Let's talk about before we go over to the, let's go. Let's go to receiving because that's important to talk about Chase Klay Pool leads receiving for the second week in a row. This week four catches seventy, four yards and eighteen and a half average four targets caught all of them. Thirty six yards was his long James Washington for receptions sixty, eight yards seventeen was. An average one touchdown in his long was twenty eight, hundred seven targets Eric Iran to nine McFarland one for six Juju only two for six yikes. I was wrong with my ex factor this week and the couple others they ended up one, hundred, sixty, eight yards, guys how do you grade the receiving in this game? They didn't ask them to do a ton but Brian. What's your grade? I'm giving them in as well. The there were not. Agreed Drops I thought you know Ben came out I don't Wanna say rusty at the beginning but. Most of those balls, the they just weren't hitting, but he came on right after that first drive and look pretty darn good. So I have no problem with the receivers as well. I gotta give them An. Dave I mean everyone should get a day. It was thirty eight to seven. But yeah, I'm going to give the receivers I'm really tempted to give them an incomplete because they were really caught on this game. I didn't need to be and that's and honestly I know it's not great for their numbers but that's really nice. When you're like you don't have to worry about getting the ball to the receivers. Jeff did screw me over because I figured he was wise with Klay poll last week. So I went with Juju this week. That's like this. It's your. I think you're Jeff. Jeff was. Inside guy there. So I play roles well. Once, you got the right league. Okay I think. I'm going to give him a because like you said I mean when you're quarterbacks only throwing for one hundred and sixty two yards, you're not asking receivers go out there and win the game and those are some of the best games. We have some maxwell come dot vs related to Kelly Baiter look like a lost puppy. Thank you maximum. Nice. Felt hokum differently. Didn't they Brian I think Kelly Hokum from the former browns quarterback at doesn't have any of the entity you know it was with Danny. Okay. Good. That'd be weird but. Kelly holds relatives are steelers. With though he's let's go as my birthday. Happy Birthday building. Area ages seven win. That's pretty awesome. Man I? Mean you think about it they're giving you a beautiful when like that best gift ever. In graduate puts four, ninety nine, and he says that the browns a little brother. That's right. They are the little brothers. They are the little brother. This deal is made a statement in this game, but let's finish up our offense of grades with some offense line talk. Okay. Because we always I always forget the offensive line, I always move right burden onto the defense, but let's talk about the offensive line here a little bit. In regards to the fact that he'll give two sacks. One of them miles year was well blocked. Bend just held on the ball walked into obviously ran the ball. Well, one twenty nine had enough passing yards to win guys grading the offensive line will grade you giving them go ahead Brian. I'm like Oprah, you get an a, you get an A. everybody gets an a I mean really the they held up. They I mean they're beaten down. You've got Dotson Again Week David I were commenting look at what datsuns doing. I mean he was he was moving guys around szucs. Look good. We we heard nothing about Villanueva and that's a good thing. You know you're not hearing anything about filer as well. So there weren't really anything that. The took away from this game. So the only attitude and they've got to get an A.. Dave you're the office of Vine Guru. What do you think? Yes. There was two sacks at least one of them that I remember because Ben probably the ball for too long but I, mean, I'm giving it a plus to that offensive line I. Felt that they. I mean they dominated the line of scrimmage. When when guys when runners are getting three or four yards downfield before any kind of contact that something you want to see I mean. On, the on the Ben Rothlisberger quarterback snake when they showed the aerial view, it showed something a thing of Beauty Dotson was able to quickly get to the second level because Oh core for me. Fantastic. Reach brought block over there to get the guy that was sitting in a gap and Dotson didn't have to worry about it was fantastic a lot of the stuff that I saw I if I could probably go back and pick it up and not. Give it as high but knee jerk I'm GONNA plus. I'm GONNA give a as well because again I don't think those sacks were really on the offensive line. There was one play where I think they just they brought to many they brought to you many players to block and the steelers didn't have the play properly diagnosed we talked about Ben Holding the ball guys let's talk about Dodson for a second. I think that. His game in for some reason, he plays really well with the to as next to that would be marquees pouncey an before. I think we can all say that. The steelers are in a good spot in terms of depth. They don't need David Cat. I'm not saying that he should start over an all pro not saying that at all because don't you think the steelers now should be able to think about, okay. We don't need to rush to cash. We don't need to rush David Cash back. If WE WE WANNA to get him healthy because the one thing that's dealers don't want to have in my opinion is we don't want to have. Dave decastro back for a game hurt again back for a game hurt again, how do you think the steelers should handle Kevin Dodson moving four Bryant services. Right now it's chase klay pool and Kevin Dots in for me as Co rookies of the year on this team because Kevin Dotson has done so many important things. He's played most of these games. Now. Here's the thing Kevin Dotson soon, everything right. Do not rush to Casper. You're absolutely correct. This is my original thought. I'm piggy backing off of both of you guys look don't rush this sky. You've got your future there. Now he's going to be great deputies hopefully you went to Castro back but you know that you've got a future on that line and it's Kevin Dotson. Dave agree disagree. Yeah I think we'll sooner than later I was curious I don't know how bad the decastro injury was. I thought there was a possibility that they might have put him on shirt short term I are if they were bringing. Back. This bike on Saturday I thought that was a possibility that didn't happen which tells me that they think the is going to be available sooner than later because, if not with just three games would have been smart to put him on for this week. So you don't need to Russia. You'll see him sooner than later. Yeah and again, I'm not saying that Kevin Dawson should be starting over David. Decastro Kevin. Dotson has played well. He had a couple of good. He did with on one pool. Go ahead there Dave. This is from Jason La Canfora Harvey Lock Them for it. He's a ravens fan entrusting. But yes but he said the initial prognosis on Devon Bush's injury is an ACL TEAR We'll determine the full extent after an MRI. Tonight. So. That's the national media guide for Yes but he's gotten a lot of stuff ron last year was to chat of it in the live chat. So I thought, I'd try to go find it I'm expecting him to be done for the year if Mike Tomlin Zuma come out in the post game presser and say this is a significant injury. That's bad. It's bad period and I don't know if even said that after Roth, asperger's injury we to of last year I don't remember him saying it was. Significant injuries. So we'll see let's year. By Melanie needed scope. Down the tip jar if Texas could have the titans that was a good game. The Texans were up by a touchdown. They give up for two to go nine rather than the extra point to go up eight they go up the yeah. They do that and the titans drive back down He. Hits Brown Senate overtime Derek candidate has arrested in overtime game over. Here we go. I. Think Miss One here this alive. More dozo dollars. No doubt that tell you. Dollars Cobra Kai. DINGO dollars Mattie several puts five, ninety nine says allawas again but debris DuPrey plus tearaway TJ that's. It's a lot of nicknames we're going to talk about the defense here in a second in part two of this podcast. I WANNA. Talk a little bit more about the offense before we move over there Chase capable. My Gosh guys I mean I did not think that he would have a significant outing this week. For a couple of reasons one, I didn't think the steelers were going to feature him heavily which I don't think they did by the way I. Don't think they feature to heavily I just think that he got himself open. To I just thought that the BROWNS WE'RE GONNA come into this game and say we're not GonNa let this young guy beat us. Not that. Chase will beat them, but he was the leading receiver for the steelers Zach. Megan. Brian. If you're trying to think ceiling and you're trying to think of a player, that's a cop a comparison. Who is that rookie comparison free for you when you think as capable after what we've seen in for five games? Are we talking about the entire league? Yeah. Let's go holy doesn't have to be the steelers. You know it's it's so easy to say a guy like Like matrons from not going to do it. So I'm going to go a little higher with a guy that is in the hall of fame and it's Michael. Urban. Really. Okay that I'm not gonNA blame him I was a heck of overs even I'm not in the. Back, March. That's good. That's not reminds me of them. Really good. Dave. What about you? I don't know that I have a good answer for this just because well, great great. I would I would look more at a statistical comparison than I would actual physical attributes you know and and I mean already this is this is more than what we saw from Juju as a rookie when he exploded onto the scene. So it's just it's. It's very how was it? It's very Calvin Ridley esque in as a rookie to come out with these kind of numbers so. He hits me somewhere. There's a lot of people in the live chat that are saying this Larry Fitzgerald Julio Jones Martavis, Bryant was the one that he compares to. Kind of stylistically as well as stature but. I don't see them as the same. I mean, they don't look the same Arteta's Bryant was real long and lean crepe looks like a flipping tight end that can run like a receiver I mean when he hits the ball on his hands. Love for a defensive back bringing him down by by himself. Yeah. He's he's he is chased Klay Pool is he is someone who can Compare you cant even compare them to somebody else he is own entity. He is in a in a category of himself. He is undaunted. A Dante Harris says he's hybrid as a really good way of putting it he. He's so unique and I could say that we probably haven't seen this type of athleticism and speed combined probably since Calvin Johnson since since megatrend actually did play and I know that's That's tough because he was so dynamic and someone else said decay metcalf. I feel like he's a little bit more fluid than Medcalf is metcalf is seems very rigid in tight but clay pool my gosh. There's no buyer's remorse year. I'll tell you that JK. Dobbins have fun over there and being a Baltimore on In the meantime, we're berated dive into the defensive side of the football. If you're listening on audio platforms makes you switch over to part to if you're on youtube, don't go anywhere because we're not going anywhere. We'll be talking about the defense right after this.

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REShow: Devin Bush. Hour 2 (08-06-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

45:04 min | 1 year ago

REShow: Devin Bush. Hour 2 (08-06-19)

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To be <hes> unleashed on the first thursday of september and <hes> <hes> you know absolute full slate sat at third saturday the twenty four th there's actually two games coming up on the twenty fourth miami and florida and then thursday urged friday saturday coming down the pike man. I mean football's back at camp and it's great you know and as you know we'll we'll talk more about the preseason slate and what to look for and what to see what we're expecting mean first off the bat patriots at lyons what we're expecting to see tom. Tom brady play way more than we think he needs to right. I mean shouldn't play at all. The nobody out there has been a right of of summer where where it's a patriots preseason game and all of a sudden we're looking at each other on twitter where see and everybody's like why brady plan a third series game like well because he can protect himself and blah blah blah cetera et cetera right <hes> and then <hes> you know in the baseball world <hes> like i told you in the we discussed yesterday in the american league you've got the yankees are gonna win the east and the astros going to win the west and it is all about who has the best record for a supposed- a._l. C._b._s. and that is absolutely disrespecting the twins wins and the indians and the as and the raise and there's three of those four last four teams as i just mentioned are gonna make the playoffs and we'll see what happens there at the atlanta braves are gonna win the national league east and the l._a. Dodgers are gonna win the al west and then the question is who's going to win the central and then who's gonna go in the wild card race and terms the wild card race the new york metropolitans already have. Let's just put it this this way. The new york metropolitans the mets. He's k. Remember last year when the cowboys gave up a one from our cooper and we're all like what the hell is jerry. Jones made no said. Why would he go that. Direction right. Mets are two and a half out of the wild card right now half game behind the brewers. They have the same number of losses as the brewers mets are above five hundred now after sweeping the marlins in a double dip in new york city and just like last year. We were all wondering what the hell's jerry jones up to acquiring amari cooper. He doesn't know what he's doing and amari cooper changed the dynamic. I don't know if marcus stroman is going to change the dynamic again. It's a pitcher going once. Every five days we were on what the hell is he doing but they held on wheeler and they held on his syndergaard and now they're beginning to roll there. They've won four in a row eleven of twelve eleven to twelve. Suddenly mickey callaway doesn't know jack about manager the year right it's amazing using how things can turn around and baseball. They got rid of vargas after he you know pulled the bobby baena on on a on a reporter so maybe maybe the mets are in this thing been anal- wildcard is the race to watch right now. It's august six. We know right now over the last six weeks of the season. It's the wild card because who knows 'em any one of those teams could could take on the dodgers the seven game series. I think we're all assuming the dodgers are going to win the n._f._l. Right now you never know the braves could do something that we don't expect but but <hes> there are seventeen and five since the all-star break the mets right yeah so <hes>. We've got all this going on but to me. You know obviously i'm. I'm getting set for the n._f._l. Network i'm getting set for you know i spoke to our friend to albino yesterday how nice he was at the hall of fame de jacket dinner did not know within hours and the crowd for you dick ebersol roselle award oh man. He's got one more preseason game than he's going on a road. He's going to be calling the packers and the bears ears. I just love here and sometimes from him that the juices flow just like all of us. Oh we're so amped man. He was upset that i didn't call them. When <hes> greg he didn't know greg. Kinnear is coming on you know they do play golf a lot of really almost everybody almost every client greg near sandbag and on the putts yes no he. He said he's look a seven and that putting stroke excuse me are you criticizing his putting stroke. I'm i'm just saying it wasn't it didn't look like someone who's got a seven andy but you also he also he also he lost to del tufo he came out of the greenery actually did it. That looks exit. It isn't first of all first of all. Here's what i don't want to do is just like that that poor guy on whatever disney movie who went viral because of the way he threw a football on twitter. Oh oh that was terrible but that was the first time that actor ever picked up a football. Excuse me that's not true. All you need to know excuse me. This guy awesome matt no no. I don't know this guy from adam. I don't know this guy honestly. I don't know this guy from adam but this went viral yesterday okay. This went totally viral yesterday and here's what we're gonna do chris. Is i wanna i wanna hit. I wanna hit this a little bit. Okay k. We'll we'll get to the news update later on after all right after devin bush because there's so much to talk about from freddie kitchens and everything else what that name of this actor's name is what robbie bobby amount was that his name and he he throws a football and it does look terrible. It looks terrible but you oh you've you have you. You've been on a set chris. You've been on a t have you. Have you been on t._v. Shoot you've been on a rich forget. We were co stars episode of league okay hey but when he threw the ball there was a hundred thousand dollar piece of equipment like two feet away from him and a sound person who is basically saying. Hey if you throw too hard we'll hear the ball hitting right next to the camera and we can't have that so he flipped update. I'm telling you it's here's here's what i'm saying and somebody tweeted it out. If that was me howard piled on top of it and it goes. It's totally viral and i will say this if it's you. You're not gonna go if that was me and i looked at the day ways and that made me look like i'd never picked up a football before for a big. Hey we're shooting this again. Sportscenter marshall years ago you still see it because stuart scott's what's in it and it's one of the funnier ones he's ever been in an every single time that stewart's remembered and sports commercials it comes on and on and on and on stuart scott is washing his hands in a men's room you hear a flush the toilet though i walk out of the stall we wave flush. The toilet jockey walks out of the max. Stuart gives us look like what's that all about because back to whistling flush. The toilet horse walks behind stuart scott hilarious sportscenter senate commercial. I funny okay now. The one thing that i thought about that day was how come on the one coming out of the can dan and not stuart scott stewart was the one that got to wash his hands the entire time he didn't. I'm the one who comes out of the toilet clearly. Drop it a deuce because i'm in a stall well. Some guy stands storm in. I understand that some people freeze and i know i'm starting up. I'm telling some people maybe of the fairer sex what goes on when the guys go to the men's room sometimes guys frees up and they want to go into right happened but i said if this is going to be shot this way i will not shoot this unless i get to wash my hands before leaving the screen and the number of people from the director and the assistant director and the producer and the person from e._s._p._n. And the ad agency they all came up to me to pull me aside and say there is not not enough time in the thirty second spot rich. Don't worry about it what the sound guy even pulls me up and goes. You know it's more important abbey hands clean before you go. I'm like that doesn't matter. Curricula doesn't matter and stewart even pulled. We assadi goes rich. Just take it easy. No one's going to say anything sure enough few weeks later commercial comes out. I'm going around and yankee stadium before world series game and some can fan screens want you wash heads when you come out of the can literally that happened and if twitter had happened then if there was twitter then you would have gone viral just like this poor actor went viral yesterday he can. He has no say in saying thing. I refuse to do this shot unless it looks like i throw a football he can no. It's easy for you to say it's easy for everyone on twitter to give this guy a hard time man he responded he responded on twitter by throwing a football and his streak to show how he could throw put his wife his wife who is pregnant. She's an actress tweeted out that my date night with my husband is being ruined right now because he's blowing up a football all to shoot video. I know i'm going to have to shoot. He's he's got his practice for that bad. Take i am forever known well hold on. I could be forever known as a guy who never washes his hands when he comes out of the john but there is one saving grace that every single time that they do show this commercial again somebody e._s._p._n. Has told somebody or someone at e._s._p._n. Is assuming that i should be cut auto commercial 'cause they edited me out. You just see the jockey and you just see the horse. You don't see me anymore. I've found a version on your added honestly when i saw this whole thing goin' on twitter on like sitting there at thinking. I know exactly how this guy feels. I mean just wash your hands. I you don't watch my hands chris. That's the point and this guy can throw a football washing your hands and being able to throw a football two different things not even close. What are you talking talking about. I would rather be known as a guy who can't throw a football then a guy who doesn't wash his hands coming out of the can if you've just met me. I don't want you to take your damn. She was off on a plane well according to kurt warner on both what is kirk no about throwing the football anyway point exactly right grade-point seriously. I saw poor guy get roasted on twitter. He got row just destroyed aw man. This is a bad throat and i've been there bad throw in a way all right. What's our poll results as they currently stand before you throw a break we get the young young devon bush who by the way. I'm telling you steelers fans. I've watched this kid play football at michigan. He is the only guy i've seen play the position from middle linebacker like hamid michigan since i've been rooting from his david harris who had a hell of a career in the n._f._l. With the jets and then did what all jets do go join the patriots right towards anything. I know but i'm telling you this is exactly what the team needs. That's why they traded up ten spots to go get him monster. He's about to join us from <hes> steelers campus have over there. Who's more likely to play week. One this year zico elliott melvin gordon or whatever's going on with tony brown feed here sixty eight percents antonio brown. Hopefully we'll find out tonight on hard knocks with the story is <hes> twenty one percent ironically early enough ezekiel elliott eleven percent melvin gore. I'm you know i've just everyone assumes that whatever's going on with brown's feet will heal in time for the season. I'm still not eaten. Del tufo sat ain't happening. <hes> zeke's gonna play week one and then gronk coming back twelve and we're going to basically put thanksgiving gravy right right there on the way we'll take a break. Devon bush comes back then the news update <hes> with the latest on what is going on on with zeke and you know it's amazing how a coach talks and some people assume he doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Everybody's waiting to see how freddie kitchens handles the crucible of being a head coach show <hes> certainly with a roster. That's ready to roll in cleveland. All that's coming up tom. Curren <hes> is gonna join us later on on the program to talk about what <hes> brady signed and what is going on in new england and then the actor brett gilman mr mercedes also he's got stranger things and fleabag. Those three shows that a ton of people are talking about here in studio in our number three when we come back. We've got devon bush of the pittsburgh steelers. The rookie here on the rich eisen show yahoo daily fantasy is going big this year. It's the perfect time to start playing yahoo. Daily fantasy never play daily fantasy before yahu. Has you covered unlike those other daily fantasy sites that let users enter a hundred fifty different lineups in their biggest contests. Yahoo has a ten entry max that means better editor chances for you to win the big contests. You can also try their daily. 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Twenty-five and welcome back to the rich eisen show later on the program a little bit more football with tom curren of <hes> n._b._c. sports boston. Tom brady signing a contract back to play football for millions of dollars at the age of forty two but you know he's he's at the top of the food chain in many different ways certainly from the university university of michigan coming out of college and before we get to our next guest here from the pittsburgh steelers to way back machine to the draft when i mike tomlin on n._f._l. Network work on that saturday finishing up with the draft. The steelers were pretty much already. Hey was in the barn. After zach gentry tied in for michigan made it two players that they chose rose in the draft from my alma mater this happened coach at the university of michigan players makes other institutions of higher learning and also football programs made you choose two of them and this year's draft richie. Get that feeling as you walk in the bekaa hall. Oh man you in a college football setting and then you see the big house and in the back in the right place and i realize i'm giving you exactly what it as you want right there. You go coach. Always you know we. We've always been like this. Fingers crossed joining me right. Now is the man that the steelers moved up ten spots in the first round to select last time they did that was to take toy paula malo in the draft. He's devon bush pittsburgh steeler. How are you devon. I'm good how you doing did you coach felt about walking into shambala hall way man. I could understand everything he had a long shot back. That's definitely the feeling that you get so it. Just it just seems to me. This is a perfect fit devon just from the outside. I'm wondering how you feel so far first couple of weeks in your first training camp i am. I'm still in good. <hes> you know my health is good. <hes> plants that have a fun well just in terms of yeah terms of a fit just the scheme the steelers you. It just feels like the fit and again. I'm wondering how you feel. Oh yeah mean shoot. I'm out here playing football on and <hes>. I think that that's what my biggest sitcoms in. I'm just out here on the team. I get to compete and i get to go out there every day and do what i love so this. This is imperfectly right now. What has what has. Tommy told you face to face devon. He's pretty much like hey you know you've been playing football your whole life. Obviously this is not due to yourself. You know you and what am. I deal fans who may not be aware of what what is being. You mean <hes> if you oh me you know but <hes> for those who don't know ma'am. I'm just a guy <hes> football. <hes> man just energetic brings energy passion of big splash plays a lot of fly around and have fun devin bush steelers rookie linebacker here on the rich eisen show. Is it true draft night. You got a text from ryan shazier devon. I got a couple of texts <hes> yeah he definitely was one who text me congratulate congratulate me and just let me know <hes> do any and everything so did that surprise. You look down at your phone seeing that so it was crazy <hes> it was it was just. Have you know that type of guy reach out to you and you know he's gonna and i'm what does he been saying to. You sense have you have you kept in touch. Oh yeah yeah definitely i what on a daily <hes> he's out there on the field <hes> whether you're doing i individual cheap competitions and you know he's just taught me a tips and advice. You know whether it's football or not you know he's always we always stay in constant contact and you know we just talk so give me a piece of advice that he's given you that you've taken a heart devon bush's <hes> just being a good place like well. If you wanna play a long time leaders dedicate yourself great the things necessary to be great you know by the time you look up and you'll be here eight nine and tom flos so <hes> what what have you seen so far in your training camp that you see you need to work on so far <hes> just a mental part <hes> obviously playing with these with these group of guys. You know everybody's physically gifted and everybody can do a physically in <hes>. The middle part is where i need to know get the upper hand and instead he fell more in the be able just to understand more to defense the more of the offense and and the holiday charter tax so <hes> who who on the team veteran is throwing their arm around you devon and and try to show you some ropes. It's a couple <hes> bents williams mark mark bender <hes>. She's here <hes> campaign with bud depre- notice guys you know they. They helped me out tremendously with indian. They need everything. Maybe a vice <hes> you know they stand by my side and <hes> they they i know you you're probably hearing how many people in a lot of hopes and you <hes> the defense has been. You know quite frankly missing your type of speed your type of ability since ryan shazier. <hes> left the field. I wonder how you shoulder that burden devon bush in pittsburgh now honestly i don't. I don't really think about it. A lot. As much as people think i'm sh- i suppose to should be <hes> kinda. Just approach it as you know. I'm i'm devin bush and that's what they have to be in jaffna to to come a and b. right here and <hes> you know that's that's my my hopes my hopes to come in and w bush and now that's my biggest. My biggest drive is <hes>. Let everybody uh-huh by who i am and your dad won the super bowl with the rams what it what is he passed along to you. Devin everything i know <hes> about football football about life you know about being a professional <hes> you know he's he's the reason i am who i am today and <hes> big big. They has to have so. Let's just say you're warm-up before a game against the browns ravens. Let's just the ravens out there and do they. They walk arm in arm across the field neighbors same result so that ravens that ravens logo gets torn up so what happens have a big scratching man that just how much have you kept in touch with the alma mater already or <hes> i just got the phone with a couple of my teammates last night talking to him seeing how how it is and obviously it's just a tough campus michigan football having over there okay. I just did touch. They're doing good so before advocacy. Tell me devon. I tell me in the rest of <hes> of the wolverine faithful because we're seeing another top ten preseason poll etc and so on and so forth i mean <hes> what can you what can you tell me about what you're hearing about. Michigan's team devonte <hes>. I heard i heard <hes>. The office is pretty good. That's one thing i've heard <hes> heard. The defense is also really good so <hes>. I think it's all about putting it together. That's what i'm hearing no <hes> this is what they're trying to campus for just just to put it all together as one complete unit and go out there and do what they do know white so <hes> you know you're closer to ohio than ever before. They're in western pennsylvania devon. Yeah i mean. Are you running into a lot of flak at all or no. It's you're in penn state cuts to. I mean you're you're not. You're seeing a couple couple buckeyes. Obviously i mean i stay in touch with one. She's i know that it's really is amazing and then i play behind a campaign. That's another one i kinda uh-huh face it here and tell me about it i try to i try to stay away. I just came back from canton ohio. Devon i mean what are you single. Men and i walk around. I also say you're paying by all right so before. I let you go devon. What is your goal for for the first year. Gimme a do write these things down at all no not necessarily i kind kind of keep them in the back of my head so put now put it to the fire head out. Give out your mouth gate. <hes> my goals for the season is the come. I'm in <hes> you know play win. Nothing extravagant not come in and play went. Okay devon plus. You take care of yourself will chat soon. Okay all right. Thank you devin bush. Steelers linebacker mant a few words play win right here on the rich eisen show. I think he's gonna be terrific. I think he's exactly what they said too. I i think we we just talked to a defensive rookie of the year candidate. I think he's exactly what they've been missing. He's a guy that will go to the edge edged a guy that will get to the edge with intention. He is a guy that will leave his mark. He's a guy that will be able to be a leader. Steelers fans chose a winner and again. I only say this you consider and say well. I i root for michigan. I'm a michigan guy and that is true. I've just seen a lot out of michigan football and i know what the steelers missing and i know what this kid was bringing and i think it's perfect match and that's why they trade. I mean here's a stat for you. Last time. The steelers traded up in the first round was two thousand six and they moved up seven spots to take san antonio homes and the first time the stills moved up ten spots on day one of the draft since troy paulo and they moved up ten spots in a trade with the broncos two thousand three they don't do this very very often but as you can see chose to two winters pull them all is getting on the hall of fame by the way that boss has the potential angela for being as good as any other that you think ed reads hair and kevin green hair right <hes>. Let me see stick a quick phone call before take a break bernardo in santa clarita here on the rich eisen show up and hold on for a while what's up bernardo boy. I like it. We'll go yankees. Go rotten bernardo what's going on brother. I just wanted to share with you rich. Thank you so much for <hes> for not keeping sportsman i mean this show is covers all the bases for us. I mean popular culture movies. Jersey your list your top. Your your polls are hilarious and you know what else if there's any justice in the world you for me. Sir are the rep of the n._f._l. Mel and i hope to see you with your own. Goal jackets someday deserve this and <hes> you know what i i hope that comes to someday man because i know the love you have for the game for the players and the history and everything else and <hes> just thank you so much you guys do. I'll let you go have a good one. Thank you bernardo. Wow wow that's so nice so nice. It's very nice. What is it nice to be nice to the nice. What is that again. I don't know what show is that <hes>. That's very nice of him to say that <hes> a broadcasters don't get jackets jackets but you know i i. I love that place. It's why when i gave a a little bit of two cents about how to improve the ceremony yesterday did so with love and affection speaking of movies twenty-sixth anniversary in theaters twenty six years ago today. The samples got switched. No way did y ninety one. Our man switches samples dr nichols lied to doctor nicholas marshal the fugitive. One of the most remote drop worthy films all time easy my wife. I don't care twenty six dan years ago today four tommy lee jones richeisenshow favor jane lynch indeed. I mean grey movie top. Ah i sure doesn't crack my top ten. Sorry doesn't top ten tough list for your top ten. Yeah i mean there's a godfather's in it in the break right down your top ten. It's easy. I've done this before you have well. Let's it's called in the break when on the braille and you still have a more serious here okay. I gotta land the plane on the runway. I love this. I love the runway. The pilots hang on wait. A minute. I got asja got godfather. One ed to there you go. Its jaws so much that last week when i said we've heard that they're showing the shining in the actual hotel that the overlook hotel was shot in. I said it's like watching psycho bates motel shower. You're like it's like watching jaws from the beach and i'm like there are no sharks on the beach. The beach is the safest spot you could be in jaws not really because if you go from the land sharks on saturday night live true not in jaws yes they did not say we need a bigger did say it's we eat a bigger water. Where are you when they say that you're on the beach. We'll take a break. We'll take a break news. Update tom com if you. Tom knows everything about everything about the patriots. The reason why i want put me in my brain we gotta get tom on is aligned from his story about. Tom brady's contract extension that just sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm and i need. I need background on that will set that up when we come back with chris brockman news update back on the rich eisen show on live and your radio stations coast to coast in a moment hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting. This podcast certainly couldn't do this. Show without either of you. When i wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast one dot com clicking on the support this podcast button and there you'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that help make this show possible so thank you for downloading subscribing and of course supporting now back to the show stay tuned for sixty seconds of a._p. News these headlines right after this podcast. I wanna thank <hes> the richeisenshow. If you're listening frank papa rawness i think <hes> he tweeted at me. The fly nice to be nice to the nicest. A frank burns line from nash so i just made a forty year old pop culture reference similar to chris berman singing. If i only had a brain for mark bolger on on <hes> prime time which is in reference to ray bolger from the wizard of oz he played the scarecrow so i basically just pulled a berman right there crow in nineteen thirty nine you believe mash is that was a fifty year old pop culture references would sing. Mark bolger's highlights to the tune of brain. Yeah wow just made mashes forty years old and more that's not. I know the future of twenty six years ago today. What's happening was premiered. I heard like i said forty-six years ago or something really done a wormhole right now. If you go and run okay chris brockman news. Let's hit a button. Mike live report rock. Men with the news is brought to you by the honda summer. Spectacular event visit your local honda dealer and experienced complete car-buying bliss with a great deal on an accord civic sedan or civic hatchback. That's the honda summer spectacular going on right now. Christopher you have the floor okay zeke watch update <hes> twenty nineteen here jane slater reporting <hes> that she's back in oxnard today few details told the cowboys of made quote generous offers to dak prescott zeke elliot and amari cooper putting each of those guys in the top five highest paid at their positions additionally. Jane reported she's. He's told that the cowboys are ready and willing to get the deals done but at the two sides can't agree on numbers that make sense cowboys prepared to play this season with each player on prove it prove at deal prove it deal for me. That's smart for dak prescott. Man approve approve deal for dak prescott. One hundred percent deal dak prescott would be smart to take a top five quarterback yes he would amari cooper be smart. Take top five wide receiver. Thank so to zeke elliot does not need to take top five running back deal when he could be the top one running back right make him the highest paid running back in the league with some form of payment that he can somehow now have to accept because of the situations in which he has found himself or put himself in and not feel in the cowboys. Don't offend. Send him by it right. I mean that's what i'm saying is why zeke have to be the best po paid running back when he's the potentially best running back zeke on field all three downs okay and he's on he's on. He's on a field in third down because that guy could block better than any pretty much any tight end in the business that guy can pass protect man. He didn't just run on catch and eat he blocks. That's the problem and prove it like what is the zeke after prove only proven. That's the problem. There proved deal gimme. You'd say approve it deal by the way to somebody who's already in camp. I'll take a i'm gonna. I'm gonna take a breath and understand that it's too important. The season's too damn important for the cowboys to to let that guy is still sitting in mexico and figure it out man for average running back salary. <hes> five top five is shawn mccoy eight million and devante freeman eight point two five million eight million. You gotta be kidding me. David johnson thirteen million wavy. I'm bell three thirteen point. One million yeah todd gurley fourteen point four is important to the cowboys offenses any of those guys these more important than any of those guys. I mean even girly at c. J. anderson run the the ball with similar effect right. Come on now top five yeah. Here's eight million a year same as leshan mccoy zeke it come on off a combo that ain't happening but dat taken a top five quarterback deal. That's a smart move right making deck. Prove it this year also smart all right. Did you hear what freddie kitchens had to say yesterday. A lot of people wondering afraid he's in over his head this this year but freddie at talk. Are you referring to yourself as a lot of people other people are saying that as well but i am one of those people freddie kitchens said he will not tolerate inside side information being leaked to the public the days of inside information and days of of <hes> unnamed sources and stuff like that have ended so you're not gonna information like that ever anybody if i ever see it. They're fired immediately. That's the way we're running. The organization and i can take john john dorsey can take it. We won't crack promessi. He wins first two games that sorta stuff is viewed as laying down the law and he is in charge of his locker room and he knows exactly what the hell he's doing and nobody will care what bob wiley last years off and on couch and hard knocks star has to say about anything about about the way that kitchens ran things last year and how kitchen sit there said it's really the players. It's not the coach's anyway. I mean he's trying to be. He's trying to have humility and in trying to lay down the law and if they start oh into then everyone will wonder what the hell's going on certainly if they start owen because he doesn't throw the challenge flag at the right grime or doesn't have enough timeouts left or botches clock management etcetera and so on and so forth but what's that simple. Let's do it out. Let's do it out week. One home for tennessee gosh they should win that game and then at the jets. I honestly have no idea home for the rams on on my night could win every last one of those games for san francisco seattle i stand by saying they could be six that could be oh and six we have no idea they had the talent to go six and on both sides of the ball and they have the talent and the whole history and the history to go on six and a and a coach. He's never done it before. What else do you have over there. Okay so this morning <hes> it was reported. Tom brady's brookline. Massachussetts house was up for sale on zillow dot com <hes> jeff dr then it was quickly removed from the site which a lot of people scratching their heads wondering what that was all now you know who who does not go on zillow to try and just check on the price of a house and see if it works in terms of of whether there on the market everyone does unless you're in the market for thirty nine million dollars for thirty nine zillow dot com if you're if you've got thirty nine million bucks it's kind of what has been spent on a domicile in brookline massachusetts usa jeff darlington <hes> our good buddy who's now a matt's brookline matt's did did some digging here goes so t's he's reporting the tom. Brady and giselle have indeed place there brookline home on the market thirty nine point five million dollar price tag. I'm told his closest property as it silo i will ridgefield club is nearly three hours from foxborough. The brady's in bunches also own a home in new york city reportedly have been looking in greenwich connecticut and alpine a pine new jersey beautiful place jeff because this isn't to say brady as making real estate decisions with the sole intention of leaving the patriots at the end of the twenty nineteen eighteen decision as season which has contract would reportedly allow but his most certainly paves the way for their families roots in the boston area to loosen of course first brady's full-time can move the football in the fall. It is also possible for his family with elsewhere outside of boston while he finishes out his career with the patriots in other words. Everything thing is now on the table. After this season. Tom brady will be able to make a decision about his football future without the burden of family or contract to influences his mind. It will solely be about where he wants to finish his n._f._l. Career he wants to finish it in new england. He doesn't wanna go. Do you heard what i said. I played the old soundbite soundbites from four years ago. Five years ago with andrea kremer again until game day morning res talking about his own football game worrying about that of course he understood he could get cut one day and he said that jordan played for the wizards. He doesn't wanna be that guy. Now wants to finish with the patriots sure and i'm sure the patriots wanna finish with him and i honestly honestly. I think he'll he'd rent. That's why i wanna have kern on here. What's real. What's not much. What's what's not tom car again. I'll say this so now. We'll bring this up for with him. This is what i want to have him on. This is lise was the inspiration of having him on. Tom wrote this piece on n._b._c. sports boston when brady signed the deal or it was announced talking about this deal quote allows the patriots to save save face because if brady we're going to go into his walk year with a salary far smaller than is much less much lesser quarterbacks. It would look bad and to be frank. Brady may not have have done it. What does that mean because if he's thinking now if that was happening now clearly as a salary would be more in line of what a topnotch quarterback would make over the next two years what is brady willing to do for what he wants after he's won three super bowls since two thousand fourteen conversation with andrea kremer he's talking about. He could get cut one day. That's why i want tom on in the meantime. I wanna buy a monster boat like like jeff basis so i'm going on yachts dot com com to check it out exactly and i hope the the the boat that's for sale doesn't get taken down. 'cause that's the way i shop for boats. 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REShow: Devin Bush. Hour 3 (11-07-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Devin Bush. Hour 3 (11-07-19)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on Apple podcast and podcast one okay. This is a thirty second commercial. Jill and I'm going to throw a lot of numbers at you but please stay with me and just fifteen minutes. You could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. This company's been offering great rates in great service risk for over seventy five years in. Anytime you need help you can speak to one of their trained specialist. Twenty four seven the company is GEICO. Go to GEICO DOT COM today. Sorry for all the numbers and in five four three two one amount of time our number three any of the rich Eisen show on the air. Devin Bush the young rookie Stud linebacker. The Pittsburgh steelers is calling in shortly here on the rich Eisen in show on. It's a big weekend for for him. The steelers are taken on the rams. The rams coming off a bye at five and three minus Brandin cooks apparently was in the concussion protocol. Still he's he got blown up on one of the first plays of the game in London. A couple of weeks ago against the bengals strolled off the field. He's take seeing multiple specialists. Let's see still not There but I do believe Clay Matthews is expected back from his broken jaw he will be The rams are coming to Devin Bush spot Bush's dad played for the St Louis. Rams won a super bowl with our buddy Marshall and Kurt back in the day so Devon will be joining us here shortly on the show we already had mark Ingram on the program He did not mention anything. About Lamar Jackson banded practices. Something going on with that Chris. Brockman Cherry Picking Your News According to reports Lamar Mar not a practice today. He was not on the injury report yesterday. So wondering if this is a load management situation I word with the Ravens. Oh Oh my word We had todd mcshay on our number one and todd is just as excited as everybody else for this. Lsu Alabama game because it is a treasure trove of future NFL prospects and certainly twenty twenty draft picks. It's funny you know back in the day the NFL network. We couldn't even have talked about that sort of stuff stuff about about anything. We were not being pros on the first few years of the NFL network. We were told. Don't you cannot talk about any players who are not draft eligible in college guys potentially leaving early and we couldn't talk about Reggie Bush until he said I'm route two words for you and I'll say I don't Care Bill Polian Bill. Well he was I I the last couple of years now. I know people except for him making the pro football Tom. Tom And it was a real hard ass approach by. Hi The old guard of the NFL. Like we're not GONNA at all be accused of tampering or inducing. These kids to come pro. If we're talking about how great the ours pros then all of a sudden you know. We just stopped doing that on the the whole deal with that. But it's a big game coming up this weekend and Lsu and in Alabama certainly on that front and also the National Championship Front and the Sec Championship. Front and the Heisman Trophy Front. It's going to be absolutely amazing using. I can't wait for that and tonight. We have hardly even discussed this big game. Tonight is a big game. The chargers who what's the only word for boat race to the packers with the place filled with Green Bay packers the final score. They gave up. Eleven points towards the end and our and rockets touchdown but it wasn't live close close close and so the chargers just out of nowhere because they they just barely lost the Tennessee. Titans couldn't score from the Half Yard Line three straight times and then beat the bears then they come and give you barely really beat the bears and then they come in and Smoke the packers now their fortunes could totally turn and span of five days. They go up tonight and they win this game. And they are by the way The first team to have played their ten th game in the NFL this year. They'd be five and five and the raiders. Right now coming into this game sitting there at four and four. They'd leapfrog the raiders. They'd be right behind the Kansas City chiefs certainly if the chiefs. I don't win their game in Tennessee. I mean or the raiders. Win this one back in five span of five days. They go from under five hundred two buff our and a win. They have to win games at home in division. It's just that simple if you want to make the playoffs so it's a pretty big game tonight. A pretty darn big football game tonight on Fox. NFL Network and prime video. Are you surprised. How both these the seasons have gone for the chargers and the rate I thought the chargers were a team that would Slip up a little bit this year. Certainly knowing that Russell Kun was going to be out first I period of time and then we heard about during James. That team has been just a different Daniel. Dj who calls her radio just a different ball of wax on a back end. 'cause James cleaned up a lot of back and stuff and you have an update on Derwin James Correct about where he's going to be coming up next all right and then you no The raiders as you know was my fourth down hot take from a couple of weeks ago that they were gonNA finish ten and six and make the playoffs need to win tonight. Josh Jacobs is is my current right now midway point offensive rookie of the year. Name me another. There's a reason why we didn't see him on hard knocks summer. They were keeping him a secret. Well because this guy's been a stud so I you see how efficient car has been playing as well big game tonight and joining me back here on the rich Eisen show From the Pittsburgh steelers once upon a time one of four now form four big game against the Los Angeles Rams and one of the many any reasons why this defense is vastly improved this year's because they went and reached out and got a Michigan Man. His name's Devon Bush back here on the program. How are you doing Devon how you I'm doing fine? How obvious on your first professional season midway through so far so far so good so far so good? This is fun. I learned a lot. You're on a bunch of guys. I love the football Sunday in Virginia. Come to what have you learned a lot a lot. I learnt how to be a professional Mainly I think that's the biggest biggest thing I learned how to have balance. You know with your life on the field off the field. So I'm still in the in the works of figuring that out and you know going through my first year may wait Through and I think I'm gonNA write threat through that. What do you mean you needed some? You're trying to figure out balance. What do you mean by that me your professional off the field you know You know everything's not going to be perfect On the field. Of course you know we started the season you know with a couple of losses and you know Kinda honest people were going to take you know. We lost our starting quarterback in China just who Ought to feel you know. I didn't bought my first house. Yeah well that's cool You know getting getting those things done. Get everything situated and being able to work off the field you know doing. Apparently there's a whole bunch of things and so Just carry myself professional getting things done you know at work. In how has Tomlin put his thumbprint or an honest team. Walk me through that too Devon. I think the biggest thing was tom does is. He's straight for He's never tried to trick you anything. He's never trying trying to lead you to wrong way. You know he tells you black and white you know your circumstances you know on the team. What is your role and and what he's looking in expecting so now you you sound like you walk in and say blindly? You know Kinda got expectation so you gotta live up to that. Only control over that Short share with me what he told us. Here's his expectations of you. He. He has he came out and and really like express that you know but I know I know. Of course Tomlin believes me. I'm not team. Does Not not coaching staff does. So you know I'm GonNa do my best to be the best player I could be. So you're one of two rookies with multiple interceptions this season season. And only one of two rookies with a defensive touchdown this season what has been the biggest adjustment from the collegiate. Big Ten level to the National Football League for you Out there on the field deven Everybody's good everybody everybody fast. Everybody's strong Everybody's elite so I think that's that's one thing you've got to get adjusted to like. It's not all about how physically give you a About how mentally sharp. You are how you know ready in. How how you prepare? And what's the challenge that the rams present to you that you've already seen on film or discussed in your meeting rooms Devon. They got weapons Everywhere offense offense defense and special teams and they play a good team collectively they feed off each other And they play in the Super Bowl so they have have the formula new. They've been there. They've been in big games. No so these guys are are trying to all of a sudden this and You know they just present a lot of a lot of good match ups. It's GonNa be a lot of good matchup Sunday Of course what. Todd Gurley The titans they have no gall and now the defense is really good. Ah Course and Donald J Lee Randy the bunch of guys that major role in Rams team and they give up Devin Bush here in the rich Eisen show you in in the NFL. One hundred season. We'll go way back before you're born between the steelers and the Rams and a super bowl took place between them way back in the day but I imagine in your own household growing up there. There were a lot of rams material around because Your Dad Super Bowl with Saint Louis. Yeah he did so. That's got to be a little weird and away. I guess that That the rams are GonNa be in front of you that way. I mean this play. Florida state my freshman year. So I think I've been through it that well. You just walk me into this next one kind of an interesting memory lane with Michigan play Michigan State this weekend. Don't you think big memory name. I'm super excited about that game. Okay well let's let's You and I. If you will lock arms and marched down memory lane on that Front Devon what do you recall about that day do you think The last time the only thing I remember from that day is ninety. Three hundred dollars off. That's that's that's the EXPR- sped everything so that's the only thing only thing you remember from that day you get out of. There is no devon. I'm trying to get me. Excuse me you're a professional. Now you're a man who's been paid for your work. This thing's calling this thing. It's called the past. This is not you in any way shape or form affecting your draft grade or any. No no no sir. You are now officially based on the first eight a game this season. Eight professional grown ass man Devon so. Let's discuss part of the work that you gave to the ground crew that day in East Lansing. Yeah yeah I I had a lot of I Lotta Green and white one a bottle of my day. uh-huh out eleven that on the bottom please Things got real tip you know. Somebody's logo got messed up. I don't know who did it. It was almost a Bra. I didn't I didn't know what was going on. But I know the game part Yep game starts and then you've got all and then then you said ninety ninety three total yards of offense often but I do want I do really want to stir something up and I honestly and it's not purposefully but I I want because as has a Michigan guys. You know a Michigan Fan and this is this is this is. This is a blood rivalry. Okay and sometimes literally so with families and everything. Dan Dantonio key. He knew right he was he was there smiling right. He was smiling right. He was of course of course because we you could see the rivalry robbery. He founded he thought it was funny or he was laughing as as the players. Arm in arm won't March straight through your warm warm up right. Yeah but it's our. It's all right though. Well he he got he got he was looking for bad bad. It was so bad though. You know you see the judge they start wearing. What do you mean? You didn't see that New Jersey. No not yet. I haven't paid much attention. Okay you did they got these neon juries with across the front room and all the whoever made that design. I think they did that. The Start and it just last thing on this. Is it true. They told you that they'd already done. Their arms walked through that you could go out there. Earn warm up. Did they tell you that before the game they told you what when that that they did their their usual drill of walking arm in arm through I never I never seen seen them do that. My whole career. Not One time so that did 'cause they said they do it all the time. They say they do it every never never heard or seen of I never said. Where are you going to watch it Saturday or do you have? Do you have time to do it. What do you got a milwaukee? I I really Wanna I really WANNA head over there. Okay I got. I got some other things to do August next week and so but at some point you'll be watching this game correct. Oh I trump beat up. Yesterday's game can't very closely a lot. It's twitter so you do you tweet during the game so you do that sometimes. It's tough well this game. It's tough for me man. It's tough because I just get so pissed off from time to time but hey it's about right. It's a big game man. It's a big Game Michigan. State you you already you already. which is a so? Let it be Devon look I love strolling down this memory lane with you brother And congrats on the way things have started for you in Pittsburgh. It's been fun to watch and fun to see and let's stay in touch. Okay all right search appreciate you take care of yourself. Devon Devon Bush. steelers traded up ten spots for him. For a reason coming up. We can stay. I didn't get it in time but Justin Lane a steelers. I know I know. He's he's hasn't gotten too many snappy I snaps I now but he played. He went to Michigan State. Now I know and you know there's Zach gentry there too is you know I had my fun with I had my fund fund with him. You know where are you going to watch. Where am I going to watch the the game? Saturday you know what We gotta soccer situation. Got An I got. I got a soccer situation. Michigan State is Michigan Michigan State or playing on the sixteenth Saturday. The Saturday the sixteenth us. Not this week now. And then there's Indiana and then there's Ohio state. It's another by coming up there. We go all right. That's a big finish so this weekend. Yeah I've got a I've got a soccer game with coop. Crack Donman early MOCHA's LSU Alabama twelve thirty watts right. They pushed it off. Got Twelve thirty you know. Get that out of the way home and sit in and watch I can number one overall pick Joe Borough. I just get the juices flowing right now. I can. I say this with fully respectful of I know a lot of state people this this is just going to be so because remember what happened last year and all that business so delicious. I'm going to be so in MARIUCCI's face really it's GonNa be really because as you know I'm feeling it now I'm beginning to feel it and I felt it before we took care of del Tufo Fo's quote unquote favorite team shots. Fired Malays please Mr New Jersey the last few years to New Jersey one in one well unfortunately. Unfortunately you're GONNA have to sit on that one for the next fourteen years get bigger teams. that separate. We're GONNA take a break here on the program And comeback. There's a whole bunch of news updates. Who whose status are you? I'm Chris Jackson. Aj Green we talked about Alvin. Kamara Jacoby Brusett clay matthews. Patrick Mahomes Dwayne Haskins. That's just to name a few Amari Cooper. That's just to name a few Dez Bryant. There's a Lotta Dez. Bryant is in the mix. I heard about that. I heard that story okay. That's next on the rich Eisen show. Wow what a great time of year. It is football baseball playoffs hockey and soon the NBA. If you're looking to add some excitement to the game make betty aside dot com your betting partner new members get one hundred percent bonus match using Promo Code owed R. E. One. Oh one that's double your money to start winning today. But this is been paying winner for twenty years and his top rated on betting review sites that this is a very user friendly interface and mobile site simply play win and get paid bet. 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You buy a friends at Honda go forward and now Brockman with a special live report rock men with the new twenty twenty Honda pilot seating for up to eight and available available intelligent traction management not load management. Traction management can haul all your all pros this season so hard of your local Honda dealer today today. Whatever game tonight all right? Let's see so first. Let's start with this Mitch. Trubisky story did you catch wind of this yesterday about what's going on on over at Halas Hall with the bear. Yes I did and I was so disturbed. Turn the television off. Because I didn't WanNa know more all right. This is Mitch explaining How he wants to keep the distractions out trying to get some of these? TV's in the building turned off because he had too many people talking on TV about US and What they think about us what we should do what we are and what we're not but they don't really know who we are or what we're capable of people or what we're going through what we're thinking it's just the outside viewers looking in and So Yeah Tunnel Vision earmuffs in just come to work every day and try to get better and get back to what we know. We're capable of doing boy. They'd still much their first of all. I hope he doesn't mean he's turning off the rich Eisen. Show at Halas Hall outreach. Less richeisenshow show does not mean more. Now Oh God you're people are viewing. This is like he can't stand the heat. They can't take it. I take it you think. He's really walking around with a remote control or did he say or do you. You think he really went to somebody has. Why are we watching these shows? All they're doing is criticizing US but they're also criticizing Mayfield and they're also so criticizing anybody that doesn't perform up to snuff or anybody that in year two Took such a big step forward near three. They're they're they're taking a big step back or anybody. I mean it's it's anybody that's doing that. Yeah and also load management I mean do you think lazy people everywhere are seeing Turner. Television sets sets off. 'cause I can't take this sort of load. Management Conversations WanNa know able retail sales. Did he turn the. TV's to black or did they put on like like cartoons or soap operas. Don't know good question. TV All off or is it just different programming. There are reports there are reports coming out of Chicago that that that is following up on. What the TV's are showing today? Grace all because I'll tell you this and I will say this free of charge and show. I will say this free of charge urged to all the young ladies and gentlemen out there who are going to perform well in your youth sports and collegiate sports to one day. Knock on whatever this is lucite. Would that you eventually become a professional athlete. Okay and I will. This is free of charge okay. I'm not charging for this advice. Never say what Trubisky just said because it tells all of us in the media that we are being hurt and that's all everybody wants okay. I don't feel I have much of an ego. All right. There is an iron rich. Anna is and I do like when Mike del Tufo plays the drop of what type of show this. This is here on the rich Eisen. Show you you're not even listening GonNa says this going on going on on that the rich Eisen show else looking for him. Yeah because again I do have a little bit of an ego but all of us all of us in the media world we we just WanNa know that you are hearing us because if you don't hear us them what are we doing here. I mean what are we. Don't want to be heard. It's all about distribution bution. We want the district you to do what you were saying that you hear us that means were a factor. Oh and eventually the the biggest thing we want to know we want to know. Are you distracted. Is this distraction. How you handling distraction? That's why the Super Bowl is the biggest mother load media event of all time. Because we WANNA WANNA know if you're if we're being distraction. And how are you handling the distraction and then the distraction does it actually matter on the Game Day and if we you find out that it does turn off all the television sets because we're going to go to town my two cents in my advice to so you don't say it Mitch Mitchell dumb because it's just GonNa add the follow up on what's on. TV's on what are they. What are they on Kenny? Any not handle it. Is this in the bears locker. Room a distraction. Oh thank you thank thank you thank you all right. Our daily Brown story here. Baker distractions speaking of Asa Baker. Mayfield said he wants to quote force-feed Odell early on in the game idea so he can make an impact and have the perfect book to have a shot at a play. Well it only took ten weeks to figure this again again again again. My third down lower third because in the television business. You put down at the bottom of scream what you're trying to say. So just in case there are people in Halas Hall or just turn the sound on. They could see it still on their televisions if they haven't turned TV's so it says it at the bottom. It's Cleveland well. We thought HE JACKSON was bad. Dude don't don't say that. Why don't say that it took you? How many weeks today Baker the starter? Now how many weeks to figure out. Hey we need to get del Tall. He's just saying that and again him walking away from the media the other day him showing up in front of the media like totally disheveled old and by the way and by the way the mustache that he shaved have have a quote. Oh you do okay. What else you got that too? Yes so everyone was pointing out Adam schefter specifically that he shaved three times on Sunday showed up with the beard. Yes played the game in the handlebars who mentioned and then had the just the plain stash afterward. Ray Will Tomas The original thought Baker said was to handle bars because I was undefeated before Sunday with the Handlebar Moustache. I shaved it off because I didn't deserve and they and he's doing and he and the rest of guest bunch of the guys are doing a movember mustache. Thank for Men's health men's health understood. They need to win in the worst worst worst way because now you know kitchens being asked did you speak to Baker Baker about walking away from the media. I don't talk to you guys about what I talk about with Baker so you did talk to him about the media because again all we want to know in the media are we being heard. Are we being respected. And if what we're saying or are apparent level of disrespect is a distraction. That's all so what's worse D- being distracted by the TV's or being distracted by facial hair TV's because if you admit that you're trying to shut off all the noise that means you're hearing the noise it means you can't handle the noise and thus are being distracted the the number one word Super Bowl Week is distraction. The media's looking for a distraction are we creating one and if not what can and be one are you hearing it. What is the issue? Will you win the season and legacy on the line on Super Sunday. Be Distracted Chris. Brockman news update brought to you by the Honda distraction which is in the form of the twenty twenty Honda pilot so yeah Oh man yeah okay. So he's saying we need to feed Odell and all that SORTA stuff areas week. They should be really against Buffalo yes. They're home like crap. Their bills are good. They're home this. Is the team team. That on paper was supposed to win this division and they have been nothing but a disappointment in its time. Okay Hey should be split screen now. I don't want to distract you. Thank you all right. Let's get more. We got lots. We are talking about. London Games and if They could have a team there. Eight games a schedule On your show the grind this week you talk to Jags Zone. Ershad shod cons about this very thing. The idea of maybe having a regular team in London is tough for me to wrap my arms arms in mind around. I'm wondering what about you personally. In my humble opinion I don't think it's anywhere near close to that we don't want to have More Games than there's here's really organic demand for and you. There's no plans for you to just move your team a lot. There no plans for us to go and this was before everything going on with the chargers right and that report for the chargers and but so let's just say you WanNa time here because he also Oh said the sound bite before it That we didn't play because I wasn't involved in it that that the Jaguars needed London to make the Jaguars more viable and Jacksonville. Because the gate that you get from these games in London it's a windfall from what I'm told so financially financially it makes sense to say we're making a commitment to London. We can build up a fan base in London more. Maybe Jaguars material is sold in London. I mean don't forget at prior to him Moving onto Los Angeles Blake. Bortles was like the the Jerry Lewis of London. Football like everybody in London thought the same way. Ah Everyone in France thought that Jerry Lewis was the greatest actor ever because anytime that they show they thought it was blake. Bortles was the greatest quarterback in the over there. Initially because he dominated you're over seas built a fan base up there and he's got some money in some scratching his pocket but he also said he does not think that it's like there's more than organically Viable for games right now is kind of enough. Eight might be too much in terms of sending the charges there. It's just it's if it look if any team wants to go or has it the desire to go or has a fan base more Bilton than anybody else. It's the Jaguars. And he's like there's no plants Lance and so the thing that really has messed up. Did you see the story that that shafter tweeted out today. The Tom to Lesko. The general manager of the chargers rarely rarely addresses the team. He felt the media to pull the team together and say this is not true that we're going to London. Because as I pointed out imagine you. Philip rivers would retire on spot. Yeah because he yeah. Why would you know what you're going to go to London? We've heard Dean Spanos ban on the owners reaction this week who leaked or I don't know read this crushing. How did it get started somebody? who has a desire to? I don't know I I don't Wanna I don't Wanna I don't WanNa speculate either but as it does it's damaging the charges for sure eliminates weekdays before. You're about to play a big game. MM against the raiders. If you're sitting here if honestly if if I found out all of a sudden. NFL NETWORK WAS GONNA move to London. I would be freaked out. Yeah I would be freaked out like okay my livelihood and my life and my kids and my wife and my house all all here in Los Angeles. I'm doing this for living and I'm thinking I'm going to do for a living for a longtime right here in L. A.. No sorry rumor is we're GONNA pick everything coming up and you're GONNA have to move to London I would freak out and I'd want to hear from the general manager to Yemen which is why I'm sure Dean Sparrows came out and started working powder blue all right. I want to distract you. Keep going. Thank you So some notes from around the week from players here. We'll mark. Jackson did not practice active to date per the athletic due to an illness that he on for the last couple of weeks get no danger of him missing. Sunday's game against Cincinnati. Aj Green confirm firm. He will not play. This week was some talk earlier in the week that he was going to suit up for the first time this year against Baltimore. That's not happening was asked about his contract situation and he said mad. It's really going downhill fast. I don't really care about it. He said if they're worried about me not playing or not being being healthy. Then there's thirty two teams out there A.. J. Green is a free agent. WHO NEEDS A win for everybody? WHO NEEDS A win? More jets Falcons bengals. I smell tomorrow's poku rounds. Save that for checks browns bengals or name aim it. WHO NEEDS A win? More Falcons right balconies for sure. I don't know man bengals could use one jets could use one while I'm saying they don't but Brown's need one in the worst way Sean Payton says he expects Allen Kamera to suit up on Sunday against the Falcons he is not playing games and of course they had a bye week last. Make your just the next four for the saints in Division okay home for Atlanta at Tampa home for Carolina Added Lanta on Thanksgiving night and then lurking lurks focus circle big game week. Fourteen home against San Francisco. That can buy me a huge huge ball of wax. Could that be flagged. Now it's game rattlesn- at the rams no no no no no. Excuse me that game would be flexed. Melissa how do I put this Seattle at the rams would be flexed over the cold. Dead Body of Al Michaels. You're GONNA FLEX CAME EH meaningful. Immune full division game out of Los Angeles to New Orleans not Out Understanding it's a game and I prefer to say. Hey Mikey d your your friends at Big Fox Little Fox when they were had to protect these late season games probably didn't circle saints in Forty niners first couple of weeks now so that's probably available to be flexed. But how I mean could you imagine imagine if out Rams Rams WanNa chat twelve against eleven in one situation. Dvd Ed the flex. No all right so jacoby percents deal with this MC L. Sprain. He did practice today so okay. He's looking pretty good news man. That's good news Schefter saying that derwin James expected to return week thirteen on thirteen chargers against the Bronco. It's good news that he's he's progressing passing you're not finding out that he's regressing on a path. That's good here now. Rams steelers big game this week Rams GonNa get Clay Matthews back at news after that broken Njai suffered earlier this year. Hey Patrick mahomes full participant for Wednesday's practice he's going so keep an eye chiefs right now. I mean if he's full that that means when you say full participant that means one hundred percent of your lawn right. Yeah that's it. Yeah that's it. He's coming back unless there is a regression unless or he's distracted by something of course because because because I'm going against Mahomes in a League of course I and Saquon against the jets is to. I mean I'm sitting there with coop saquon and mom who will yellowing your first overall and then somebody doesn't draft a quarterback. Active third round doing Haskins is going to start week. Eleven against the jets for Washington Amari Cooper according to ESPN Visiting team doctors. MRI and his knee Wednesday knocking practice today. According to Jason Garrett hope he's going to play Sunday but he is dealing with he'll ankle quad and now a knee a he's been really banged up this year. where I feel when I'm going for my tennis lesson later today? which is good timing because Brian has been tweeting out some workout videos? It goes to your day. I'm not trying to go anywhere. And be a starter and a team. I want to contribute because I know I will be able to. I'm feeling good. I miss two weeks. I'm going to reach out to teams and see what happens. Let's go Dez makes the League more interesting only thirty one years old. That's right let's see. Let's go throughout the ex. The EX I met students dude two weeks from now Dez Bryant raises. His hand. Says I'm really. What about your team? You take him. Let's go. Why would you? Why wouldn't the Patriots throughout the year? I feel I would be better then does Gordon. He's what they hope nope. Josh Gordon would have been dude. Sent him down. Sent him down over the middle over the Moya. Let's go down the same. That's missing right. We're missing that seemed threat. Because I'll tell you what Gronk was posted some pictures him and you hear this him and his brother with TB twelve. Here's Lookin' thin. He is not coming back through calls coming from within house. Eventually you'll more over there Mike Leach sound you WanNa save it. That's something called teachable on Zombie. Oh and speaking of zombies. You're you're you're gambling pics. Then I completely forgot to put in speaking. It's been a busy day here. It has been been. Wow what a day we've had we'll save for tomorrow my picks tomorrow you know you got to begin you got you gotta do your picks man. Are you not prepared. I'm not prepared. I don't WanNa give Willy Nilly picks without the proper research. We'd rather my picture picks her Mike Leach on zombies. You know what I'd rather you you know not to go check on you but do your job. I mean you're the one who said. Hey I want to start making gambling. Picks on the air and I'm the one who is like well the NFL would probably not really like it. But I'll go ahead and let me do it. Somebody's going to Las Vegas that China's sale not to sound like all younger. But I'm on menu like and I'm Mike. And then we have been hoodwinked by the way. Did you see Stephen. As new segment Yes the name of it. No you didn't not just as he cracks me up Matt Stewart. Suzy was the one who's he's like. You got to take a look at this. She's looking at it and he's like at the arena not wanna Stewart's things with no. He didn't say that all the time. That's why I retweeted Mike Stewart a like that. Oh no he didn't when somebody missed a dunk or when Jordan would just like facial somebody. Oh Man I mentioned to gosh man who didn't load manage Michael Jordan correct bird. I mean we could go on and on but now we sound like the Alcon Dana Carvey and we loved it played every day we loved it. We liked it was different back then. Chris Brockman picks thrown together just like every week what he talk about it on the rich Eisen show. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you you great listeners for supporting this podcast certainly couldn't do this show without either of you. When I wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast? One DOT COM clicking on the support this podcast button and there. You'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that help make this show possible. So thank you for downloading subscribing and of course supporting now back to the show okay mic And Chris. We're getting ready to wrap up this show here. Let's just sneak in win for phone call because Denison Tennessee's been hanging on forever. What's up Dennis? Help you there Denison. Oh boy he's been hanging out for all right right right. Yeah I got about thirty seconds for you. What's on your mind? Brother are adult. I'll I'll I'll try to make it fast talking about these teams tanking there. I'm here go forward. Okay okay It's pointing that. You had Jerry West on the other day. Because in the late seventies the Los Angeles Lakers acres for a about a five hundred team and without tanking within a three year span. They drafted Magic Johnson. James Worthy. That's because Jerry you wish you had a scout draft. He also got Michael Cooper at a New Mexico and Kurt Rambis so then it's going to nfl real quick these things things that they're serviceable quarterbacks. They're able to come in and you could fit a system around. Women saved your picks in draft some linemen so if I was the owner of a team I'd I'd be saying worth my general manager. I mean why are we having to lose games in order to get a number one. Traffic may or may not even pan out. I you no Dennis. I am at with an and thank you for the call and thanks for holding on as long as you did. He's right and again. The reason why the clippers were able to put everything together with Jerry West is because they already had a ready made team to hit the winning now button. That's the way I wanna go by the way you need a win with a young quarterback right now before he demands forty million dollars a year which is what the Golan rate's GonNa be eventually in the NFL. All right. Chris will let you do your picks. Tomorrow I'm ready. I'm more concerned about Mike Leach. Each right now on the rich Eisen show. Here's Mike Leon zombies zombies. You were preparing yourself for Zombie apocalypse kinds of things. Would you make sure you pack you in and Security wise and all that kind of stuff. I don't think I'd have to store that much. I try to store all my favorite things and you you know have a nice You know locked in space Zombie seemed to be able to climb. So I don't think this is a big deal And obviously I'D WANNA blast a couple just to see how that comes together but I actually think Zombie Apocalypse. I would die of boredom before anything now. I for one am ready to move on from zombies. We need something else and I don't want it to be some science fiction deal either on for like two and a half never watched the walking dead. I guess that he's the best. Mike Glee Jeffrey Buddy. I mean okay tomorrow show the actor Josh Lucas Ford Versus Ferrari to fun movie man. A rat to fun fun movie and we're also having scheduled to appear Mike Mayock my all my old friend and Patrick Corbin from the Washington national. He is going to be into is gonNA join all righty then. That's a Friday. They program I think. And I'm not saying this 'cause mayock is is on the show. I think he's GonNa come on as a victorious. General Manager I liked the under tonight. Adji with the double E. Facet unforgettable name or the man they call a master jets Emma. That's not what if you're with me again tonight. What do you think wins yourself? I think I'm going to pick the raiders. Okay there you go very good. I don't mean to pull it out of your but now we'll get your gambling. Picks on is an over here

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REShow: Warren Sapp and Devin Bush. Hour 3 (01-27-20)

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It's just left us but we turn our right to kick off hour number three of day number one here in Miami Florida one of the greatest hurricanes in the history of that Lush Football Paul Program a super bowl champion and a pro football hall of Famer of the first ballot variety. Good to see you aren't sat. How are you sir? Always good to see really wonderful. They right back at you. Now thank you for bringing that warm weather from California which because come on now it was cold cold three or four days ago rich. I woke up to forty something degrees. Now that is particularly. Can people handle that around here We all brought offer coats out for a couple of days like so three. Yeah Yeah we want us to Florida boy. Anything under fifty five the damn cold I and Guana sounds like a drink at Senor. You're frauds some sort of hurricane and everything like that. Well you know memo Hito if I can tell you people frozen mint the debt that works. That's it what's the super bowl going to mean to this city warm. What do you think you know? What just like? All the other super bowls in Miami you think about the prints in the rain singing purple rain all right Joe Name of guaranteeing the first one all the Super Bowl Dion Sanders San Francisco coming in here in ninety five when I was in my last year at Miami you think about all the super. We're both the classics. The classics Great Gains Great Weather. It's the magic city but I don't get it easy to love that in ten years and You know the onside kick was the last one for the saints shocking. Like everyone in this city has been magical when asked go ahead. Ask him warn. There've been ten super bowls in Miami so we narrowed it down to four. What's the best Miami Super Bowl Super Bowl? Three Nemeth guarantee super bowl thirteen steelers second back to back wins. That's Jackie Smith dropped touchdown for Dallas Super Bowl. twenty-three Joe Montana Comeback Hits John Taylor for the game winning touchdown or Super Bowl forty four. Ten Years Ago Saints Over Colt Halt. Pick six onside kick. What say you are as a number one as a number twelve pick in the NFL draft? I take back seats. The only number number twelve big in the history of NFL. And I still name them. So I'll take Joe name of guaranteeing and on the beach with land on the long with his feet. See better than its merger and everything going on at the. AFL wouldn't on the same level as the NFL and they showed it in. Joe No in New York. I mean it doesn't get any better than that Broadway on the beach. Got Super Bowl. Forty four actually. The Saints Victory is leading virus at forty four and the jets went into three in the forty niners. Twenty three to twenty two percents steelers went twelve percent pummel. We'll never get the poll right. You know it works out three picks I can't get but for me has got to be three nine. Oh you sat down you said. Yesterday yesterday was a seventeenth anniversary or super bowl championship in Tampa and this weekend could be one of the greatest weekends in the lifetime of John Lynch inch where he hears his name hall on Saturday and then on Sunday gets to hoist the lombardi trophy is the general manager. And you know what you always put it in in great terms. I hadn't even you think about that and then is that right. I didn't even think about that. I mean you never even think about that being back to back and Venus Groundhog Day for the Super Bowl so like when I went into the hall it was groundhog the replay. It every day. I didn't move you go Hit you hit the snooze button. Yes so I I'll give you the floor on the table for John Lynch for any of the pro football hall of fame selectors that are out there including those that have passed on him for six years in a row. Now this'll will be a seventh year. He's he's the veteran of the of the finalists Waiting the longest of any of the finals this weekend. What why? Why was Lynch Hall of fame? Aim Worthy to you. I said in these terms because when it's personal for me I just make it in easy terms for everybody understand Tampa to cannot be play in the new. NFL You can't command the middle of the field and dominate the middle of field. Like we did with me Brooks Lynch and the cowboys have their triplets. We have our triplets me brooks and Lynch and since you can't play cup of two anymore and I'm a dinosaur brooks is a dinosaur lynch is also a dinosaur. Whether do dinosaurs a source belong in the museum. And what is the hall of fame so can you. You can't even have a safety hit like that anymore. I mean the safety can't get in the boxing dominate a football game like John Lynch like Ronnie Lott like all. The great ones did like dolphins. You know what I'm saying. I mean I love dolphins a death. He's a Florida boy. But I'll take lynch every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I mean that's that's my dying acts Chimera highfields. It'd be hit by Lynch all rigs any of those tight ends in the league. We commanded the middle of the field. And if you want to come across you had to pay a toll get a pass and get permission and we still didn't like it. Now you would always tell me that the Tampa to Dungy defense. The kiffin defense was designed designed to send everything in Lynch's direction right to walk me through that. What do you mean by? Listen I have beat Brooks had a narrow and we just call it. The Freeman and Lynch are Freeman in the box. That's what you hear all the time. Now the eight man in the box. That's John Lynch. That's what it was because you're a man in the bucks. Had the tackle like Krishna Coy. The big banks that we had to bury sanders response. Long Division. I mean Robert Smith all these bags. We Fed him the Lynch and Lynch you to devour them. I mean no. No one wanted to see John Lynch and that whole one time Barry Sanders shook him and we realized we had to squeeze the whole joke about that with other. Let's came. Oh my God the whole was a little bit to. How did that did that to everyone? I don't worry baby on the list now with the rest of I I it's interesting. What similarities do you see in the way? That Lynch Now obviously some draft choices. Were used on defensive lineman before he he got there and he kept hitting that he kept hitting that with first round draft choices after he got. There isn't what similarities do you see. In the way that the niners have been built to your to your Tampa. It starts in the front and back end working together. Yes in the middle was controlling traffic. That's the way we always did it and I know they live by the rule. No excuses no explanation. I mean you will be held accountable to that unit and that unit in that building like no other because it's a brotherhood men and I trust you be that brother and if you've I'm not going to answer to me before we get to the sideline and they'd be coordinators. I had an opportunity when Solomon Thomas I got that going and kind of get with him a little bit with Robert Sala Manhattan Manhas. They had the mixture of a great foundation and they just kept doing the right things in there. What do you mean by? He's a nut. Lauren what do you mean just you know when ah around Rod Ryan. I mean ran for four years in Oakland. Right Burana Ryan. That's the ultimate. Because he'll tell you. Why do you bliss a thousand thousand times because nine hundred and ninety nine times so what I got around to solid guy? He had just came from Jacksonville and he was trying to establish yourself. I want to see if he was consistent consistent and boy is he consistent with his message is is preparation and how he brings it to him but he's a nut and you gotta have a screw loose to be in this game. I mean he's got the right kind of school to lose Warren Sapp here in the rich Eisen show However mahomes is a guy who unscrew the screws in a way that we've rarely seen How how how would you approach? mahomes would a lot of discipline but we have to hunt him like a pack adults a pack of wild Dolphin. You know we always talk about the lone wolf. The Lone Wolf dies alone rich. You know that this. So now we don't hunt together and we can't let him out of the pocket and I was watching the playoffs all all season. She's alone in Green Bay. Just kept leading Russell. Wilson out of pocket just kept letting them out of the pocket frank. You can't allow quarterback out of the pocket where now you're DVD's in scramble remove and plastic mode where you're just trying to figure out where it's going man you saw that one play mahomes had Tariq he'll across that thing he stopped him homes look at him like Edward. Remember that whole lease smoke. You do not want to get on the Auto Bahn with these twelve cylinders. I love Richard Sherman. The Devil but fun you built the place zone home run ball. Hey let's keep it all in front of you. We rally a tackle. You do not want to get that man to man with these boys and let him out of that pocket is GonNa Talk. What's up with Rivas going Sherman? I'm asking you rich. I have a real issue when you left the game. And you were the title holder food that you have a problem. Dust off the throne for the numeral or whoever it is is Aaron Donald out it was a little while drill Casey. All these guys play the game to. We're supposed to be played. I love it. They play it like that like when Shaq Barrett was approaching my record shack. It's been there too long. It's been nineteen years crush bus. I sit down with the twenty. Because that's what the game is the appreciation of someone doing it. Like he did even better. Because that's what digs us up about a degree this he's at reverses record. Full Highbury Pixel whatever. It is man but a man you know. Jealousy is horrible thing. What's he jealous? Dallas up. I don't know maybe the long jetty I mean you know. Richard is one of them. Cerebral guys you gotta but Rivas was a introvert. That didn't talk so it's naturally a contrast in their personalities. Areva says his ring Richards got his ring. Richards got another chance for a ring. Rivas has done playing. But I mean you you told me to now. Oh I mean that was Richard's point when he came on the show last week as I asked him like you know. Is there something going on with you to that. I'm that no one's aware of. And he basically said look you know when he went to Tampa on. They played a defense that that didn't fit him. I'm paraphrasing here. And he didn't do very well there. I mean that's that's why I'm I play the way I play the IT works and who is any heat to tell anybody else how to play the sport like a he. He loves those so called system. It didn't work for him so you went back to his his system. You know that's the way it works. Okay you don't believe that or again I have no. I don't mean to put you in the middle of all this you so you're going to see I got it but I don't know what this was about rich. I really don't though because both of them. I will take on any corner right any Sunday other than Brian Kelly. And you know White Smith run they bother demise three now. If you want to come in and play with a out to you too I take the what is that about. I don't know what's good cover corners in both on champions in both good guys. Hey Man my gonNa be bygones. Whatever her name is just let it go? Easier woman on Monday. Is this thing on this working muddy Aloma so this is why I ask you. Ask Warren Sapp here on the rich Eisen show so who wins. What do you got for me? You know what I got a real dog in this bone in John Lynch and I loved that D. Line and I love the way they turn around. Hand the ball because the game is won in the trenches right but that mahomes in them speed banners they got. Ah Andy Reid and Airbnb they thinking of something. They think up something and we don't get a good game. We don't get one of those classes like we talked about all the rest of Miami's in listeners. Get ready cause it's going to be a week of a whole bunch of talking but somebody's got play six minutes of football and it's GonNa be fun. Why like you mentioned the enemy? Because it's it's it's as if he's he's just like the the like he's the The decoy with with the with the sheet. While Andy Reid the real play. You're you're kidding me. No no no no no no. I obviously being facetious very. Nobody gives him any right now. I I look but they're both behind the scenes putting it together together. See that's the whole thing. You'll get a mix of that Andy Reid at in that Eric. And now you got mahomes because you know mahomes released. The Arab Betty released the big red. I the big big register. Different Guy Fry Big Rail GonNa give you enough room to do what you need to do and let you do need to be. Well I take my cues when it comes certainly two running backs and obviously be enemies the offensive coordinator for the entire team but he is a running back by trade. I take that Acu- Marshall Marshall and you know he would stuck with. It's the same kind of that's just what you know man and he in the enemy will coach. You know we. We remember when we were doing game day morning and we did it. There was a piece where the enemy was was barking at. Adrian Peterson like in his grill that coaching him hard. And we were looking at each other like okay. That's that's what you gotta do. But not everybody everybody tips that nowadays. I've heard so many times now if you're coaching your appreciate what I'm doing. I don't know what to watch. Watch me get this thing done. And I just scratching my head like all right well let Internet. You know Google where you ask question. Warren Marshall Michael's where you get answered because we're done and been through it right. You know you might WanNa check your source when you go on Google and that's all for. I let you go Warren. I give you the floor on Kobe. Okay did you ever meet him. Okay you know what then with winwood being all those years shack shack took us to Elian. Kobe's already Dan now. Is the big brother little brother and you run into him in the tunnel. When wait no big to come out and are you talking about Orlando with Donald Relate? Now here took the show right exactly Orlando let God what you give them a two hundred dollar deal busy well. He's next to the mouth. You don't let them leave the bye week man. I was driving back and forth. Oh take me Kobe you always saw him because he was just different. You know and then when he put a talion album out rapid in Italian on his man's a whole different animal he is and then when I was going out to Ellie which all you know during the game they more than everything standing. La Going to the Games. He gave me His Jersey after he passed. Twenty thousand points one tonight. What do you mean? He gave me the Jersey he was wearing the night he went past twenty thousand points in an NBA game. I got that Jersey. He just walked up to you and I was close enough Lucchini buses. Give me a ticket. Genie back up man you know. Let's at emailed more. Lebron they be. We got some good basketball so you know I was close close enough to him and he was calling and I looked up and see. I said Yo meet that Jersey and he turned looked every. Say you got it big fella after the game but I got the Jersey forty five thousand points. Wow that's the kind of guy is he. Took every body and such a unique and special way man. That's what's up yesterday day man and now I'll share the rest of my life with my super bowl in the day. Coby was gone now. That's right yesterday. was I mean that was my seventeen year anniversary January twenty six that they will live double infamy now for me but you also know the importance of of being a dad to daughter title. I mean you chair that as well no oh you know that's what it is. You know a call. Daddy look girl for reason boy and I remember sand on Sunday in my little girl talk because she watches football like I do like this. Little girl play basketball like he did but my local complete a game. You know she talks about it. It's such a bigger love that you know just warms my heart in number Daddy's girl and if you have fought day you know what it is you call your baby you tell you love and you kissing you because we never the time or the the hour that the law call home in yesterday made that so apparent to all of us and it was a tough day I love you. I love you here. Who knows take a listen? I brought a gift. Because you ain't going to Florida without some nine nine. Okay this is a barrel of Mung Brewing Number Ninety nine Belgian agents style Blonde Ale who don't love a blow fat. I know my diet and the show. That's Colin I got one for the crew of okay. Where do people can people get their own Nobel monks right up in Boca Raton is lovely? Go go go bust right there in the middle. By the way seven years. She'll be in this this fall. Seven years you'll be in. It goes really the fast. Good issue warrants Lawrence up on twitter and instagram. Check him out when he's fishing or not fishing. 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I'm good how are you. That's good. That's an applause line for everybody sitting in Florida I felt like me saying please clap. That was very Jeb Bush. Moment right there here richeisenshow. Ah Good to see you sir so Before we start talking football Kobe Bryant t did he resonate with you at all. I mean do you you do you remember watching him towards the end of his playing career. I wonder what you thought about the passing. Kobe says they Just him as a player person off the off the court and I just. I don't know it's hard for me to believe it right now. I don't think I'm the person that I kinda just took. I kinda just still believe Kobe. Somewhere around a shooting hoops to make an appearance somewhere. So it hasn't really sat down me yet but Just to know that happened is a tragedy you know of course and how. How old are you? How old are you twenty one or twenty one so you weren't even born when he started playing basketball essentially and that's one of the reasons why I want to ask you uh-huh because you know I'm fifty and I'm you know what it means to me? What he what he meant playing? I mean 'cause I saw him from the very beginning and saw what he made of himself. I'm wonder I wonder what it's like for for younger generation to hear about the passing of Kobe. Kobe was in his prime when when I was watching him right. You know it was times is where I used Youtube Kobe just to hear him talk. Not just about preparation. What do you mean just interviews? I wanted to know like how mindset was is. Kobe was a person that was Liasson. uh-huh I copied or I learned from my Jordan. He wasn't afraid to sit. You know he wanted to be the best and you always see that you know. He's always had a look in his eyes and the way he talked. It was always excellence in everything. Always to perfection. They're very detail so many times. I cuddle clips on Youtube and I just wanted to learn how to get to that point. So How old were you when you're going on youtube just trying to figure not so any okay? Recently went online to see how he was going to handle his business. He did eight handle his business. And then how what did you learn from it. What did you pick up from man? Uh just just listening Kobe guy would yeah he he was Koby. He couldn't do anything he wanted to do. In the world and everybody loved him but he always had a focus about himself. You know he's always his biggest critic and he always wanted to learn how to get better even when he was is that a top he wanted to go hide in that you know he never wants complacent you know. He's always like you needed to work with. Saw Him. Always need to get better Areas you know pin on whether it was on or off the field so I mean he wanted to be a great person and also wanted to be a great player and I think that's something I really WanNa do myself steelers linebacker Devin Bush here on the rich Eisen show. So how did you bring the Mamba mentality already to your rookie season. How do you think that I stay locked down on you know? Obviously with everything was new to me. no just as being a professional and To take care of different things you know. I'm twenty one and I got a mortgage. You know so stuff like that. I mean I gotta be able to perform and and come off the field and handle my business. You know. A lot of distractions along that way just with what comes with it and just be focusing going every day and knowing that you know. It's a bigger picture in this. Yes having having been around rookies in the NFL for over a decade and a half. It's the idle time the downtime once you're done when you're done and being yeah professional like munching out if you will facility and then watch. It's been a lot of guys having an issue with me. Once you punch out man this this is your life. You know you what you do with your life is what you do and nobody's there to walk behind you and make sure you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing in every decision you make is what you WanNa do so how. It's Tomlin help with that process. He's he stays here. You Know Thomas guys look you guys. Don't have any place to eat or you WANNA come chop it up and my offices here my houses here you. They put address up on the on the big screen to take it down. You know. Come wherever come whenever talk whenever all I say. Yep So Tomlin's like here's where I live if you put it up on the screen for you and for for the whole team or team. Okay good thing. Antonio Brown wasn't there to instagram on that thing it is absurd But you know interestingly enough did you take him up on that sort of thing I mean baton meantime to talk Of course during practice right. This you know he'll come into lock and walk around the Locker Room and just talked to guys You know you'll catch me hallway eye-catching hallway quick chop it up and just stay on the right track and make sure you know my head on straight. Do you know if anybody has actually rang. His Bell at ten o'clock at night say hey I'm not sure but I won't be one of the home. ooh The IMO house. It's just amazing. 'cause I thought this year was remarkable. Obviously you were not around for the final season of bell and Brown. Obviously the transition What what did you see in that locker room? That folks were telling you that might have been different for you from what I heard. No Berlin in a Bi was locker room guys. Everybody loved him. They had good character. They separate you know from people in Not I don't what the issue was or the with the whole started it but no dance kind of got away from from a lady on Tim to when When when I walk the locker room those guys was was super welcoming? They open arms me and brought me as a brother So I mean I. I don't know what happened why we obviously you're. You're you are now considered I I would imagine Certainly by your play a leader And I'm wondering what you expect of yourself and your to from that big jump. Maybe we gotta go to the playoffs. it's not too many times. You catch the Pittsburgh steelers out of the playoffs. You know two years back so we gotta get back in the playoffs. And we've got to contend Devon bushier on the rich Eisen show okay so if I'm not mistaken week three you were in San Francisco three okay. So what can you tell me about this team. That's out there for the NFC Auger. This is a real good team. This team that plays together. No offense defense special teams and they have a great coach of staff and they believe in one each other they I believe in the system and They bought in and it goes to show that they find all cylinders plan. Great defense playing off. Set up scores. You know blocking do do everything. So I mean this is a team where you gotta stop them early and often and make them slow the game down and and and change the way and again. This week I think twenty right now And the NFL twenty one. You played them in week. Three were the challenges that you think the chiefs are going to face with the scheme that Kyle Shanahan his first fifteen heat scripted particularly evil on defenses What what do you think is the challenge here The run game. I think Safran has a really really good run game in the the stats show. I mean all three of the running back Scott over six hundred yards on the season. I just said some up for everything the playbook they could play play play. Action Pass notable did get the ball quickly those receivers screen game and they move it open once once they get the run game started. Okay so what you did not play the chiefs chiefs this year. You did not But obviously mahomes is a particular challenge. How do you think he fares against that? Defense that That you saw out field against your teammates coming home is GONNA do mahomes do regardless of the fact But I think is San Frans- job that contained that you know he's he's GonNa make good throws of course starve going to touch the ball early and often but I think once you limit that team and you you gotta get a stop. You can't let that team keep driving on the field to keep scoring or they they get a good rhythm gone on and they're hard to beat so I mean it depends on you know who's GonNa make the first crucial stop or WHO's GonNa have a devious a touchdown make the game that much more hard to win all right Devon having Bush Shou before I let you go into that Miami Day. Who Do you have winning this super bowl this weekend? San Francisco okay. Is that because you don't play the chiefs next next year. You already know that and I just I just I got a good feeling. I'll are they they they say. Hi Right now. I think they focused as a team. You can see they're not it'll take anybody lightly you know. They may have a game where they started slow but once they start they they hardly be well. Frank Clark doc fell in Michigan. Man would probably disagree with you eventually right here. And he's been he's been walking after talking quite a bit. These is or he's walked it. Many's Talk Michigan Iowa. Is that right. Yeah Okay I do that. It's good to see you Devin Bush love having you on. NFL Game Day morning a couple of weeks ago. When and I love having you here on this show when you're out in Los Angeles Tabio my studio over there? Have a good day here in your native Florida right. I'm here. Yes that's Devon Bush. Everybody right here on the rich Eisen show when we come back time more than enough time for your phone calls. Eight four four zero four. which is the number to dial? Also there is news in regards to Philip rivers from my My seatmate seat-mate flying out here yesterday. How breaking news yes? That's when we come back here on the rich Eisen show. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this podcast certainly couldn't do this show without either of you and I wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page podcasts. Dot Com clicking on the support this podcast button and there. You'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that help make this show possible. So thank you for downloading unloading subscribing. And of course supporting now back to the show that it's plan in sixteen it always be in my heart. I sincerely sincerely appreciate it. No words can describe how about you guys Mao. I mean show me somebody who walked walked away from the game with a bigger night than that I know we talked about jeter last week. Going down the hall of fame about what a game winning hit in his last game when he made us three thousand theta home run but for sixty point game and I remember. I was sitting there watching it. Home Sues That was also the night that the warriors went for a seventy third win to set the record for most wins season and that was secondary perhaps because the warriors were on such a role in there really is no. Yeah it was really no oh drama in that right but and and and we were flipping over to that a little bit more because the jazz were blowing Lakers out and then Kobe Hobie took it off and the jazz wanted to win. I mean the jazz didn't try to the Washington generals you know to the globetrotters but that was just an amazing amazing easing remarkable night. Let's go to the phone lines here on the rich Eisen show nick and Athens. Ohio's been hanging on for quite some time. What's up hey rich how are you doing on this somber unsigned thank you for asking? Well first off. I want to say I am in shock MOM calling talking about the Kobe situation. January first name date loss. David Stern pioneering huge Titan to the industry and Ambassador Mark and then we lost another one yesterday and Cobi and I feel so bad for the NBA community It's it's very surreal Especially within just Lebron just passing his scoring record I kind of a loss for words to be honest must I remember when I was about my first truck. I put a pair wheels on it and I know this is very also. I bought them because they were called. Mamba gracing wheels and my father passed away when I was young and always told me to always get past that wall either around over it through uh-huh under whatever so I've always lived by that mentality and I also real quick. WanNa give a shout out to you. They'll to and Brockman for such such a great show on such a rough day. You guys have been so professional such a great job. Thank you for more hangs a call. Thank you Walter in Delaware lower. That's sick your call to right here on the rich Eisen show itself Walter Payton Rich. I lost my daughter my only child. She was just about to turn twenty three and shoes. You're over by drunk driver and I saw your emotions today about the loss of the children and and of course everybody that was in the helicopter and I wanted to share with you like you. Rochman and del Tufo have have got me through the last five years I developed. PTSD eating but you bring me way after and you bring me a sense of peace for three hours of the day and I can't thank you enough and I wanted to tell you a quick story about my daughter her. She didn't like watching. The shoe. Didn't care about the drift towards the combine. But you watched one thank you run. Favorite charity was seen huge Walter why you weren't t shirt and shorts. Run face basecamp. I really wanted to thank you and let you know that you have looked pushed is a lot of people who apart suffering and today I I if you guys would not think about the worst and just take every moment. Enjoy it with your child because I did it with Manda and they have no regrets except of course that I've lost and I can't thank you enough Rochman one thing when he got wall bruins a little more each. I do my best Walter. We love you. Thank you for calling in our condolences. Belatedly look we try to do our jobs here and have fun doing it and I wanted to do the show from the very beginning and hope to do it for many many years to come after this is to share share. My life share my emotions. And that's it's one of the reasons why I wasn't expecting this why I wanted to turn to somebody who I know so well. And who is One of my closest friends who is a preeminent expert on Kobe Bryant 'cause she covered him and she's the love of my life who told me many years ago that I needed to be the father of a daughter so with that as a backdrop. I welcome Suzy Shuster into the show. Oh how I'm doing okay. Walter kind of threw me for and I want to send my love to Walter. I'm sitting at your desk because the dogs are in my office and I couldn't Risk having them be breaking the whole time. But I'm looking at the Saint Jude. INBOXES that you have at your desk and And I'm grateful for Walter for bringing that up but thanks for having me on. I appreciate it because Kobe Bryant Was My first friend. Believe it or not in Los Angeles when they moved here in two thousand thousand to Launch Fox sports net and Fox Sports West regionals. I had done a profile on Kobe for a real sports. And it's ironic that warns Ornstein brought up the Italian and wrapping time. Because that was how we bonded. Because I speak Italian and and When I had done the profile on Kobe the wrapping comes in again? He had just released K. O. P. L. O. V. E. You with who was the super model that he did it with it? His Standing in the background but he there's all sorts of rumors about him dating the supermodel and trying to wrap and of course the wrapping was a bone of contention with him in Chicago But it just kind of showed the difference between eight and twenty four and that is eight with still searching for who he was. He was a kid he was lanky and skinny and tall and he had the angular face and he was just trying to find where he belonged and where he fit in. He grew up in Europe. He obviously played in lower merion but he was influenced by the great soccer stars. He wasn't an individual and in the rap Inglis Him just trying to fit in because so many of his teammates had grown up here either in rough neighborhood drawn the street and he. He wasn't that kid so out of it was troubling to fit in and he didn't really value what being on a team meant a twenty four twenty four was the leader grownup. He matured and he understood. What what it meant to run a team to be a part of the team and I think that was the biggest issue with him and Shaquille is just that that you said he was a he was a traveling it Without room to understand that you could both be leaders like when in the moments where those two were leaders together it was truly beautiful but he was just trying to figure out who the kid and then twenty four retires and we've learned out about what what it's like for him to be a dad and just seeing him sues just talk about his daughter seeing that video of him with Jimmy Kimmel talking about his daughter being the one that would take over his legacy. It just breaks my heart and you know and you watched him grow into that man. I watched bridge and I think as a mom. That's what that's what kills me is that you know like I said he was he when I when I met him. I always tell him to be kind. I never found him to be problematic. I found him to be kind. He went out of his way to make my adjustment. Here seamless he was kind and the last time I saw him was two years ago. My friend Krista reminded me of it We're at a game together. and He. He he came across the court to give me a hug and to say hello. He wants to know about the kids and we were laughing. We're saying we're so old for old. We're talking better better kids and I think that I was just looking at a picture of him. I guess that was taken over the weekend. Before into the pride and the joy that he had with his child L. because he knew that his legacy was going to be there and it still remains with his girls and You know there's a group of about that we're together for those three P. eight years and there's a bomb there that remains from being you know with each other every day in and out the craziness you know and and being a part of that triangle that existed for those three years is overwhelming and just to realize that the difference in his face. Let's just keep going back to that to see him as a boy and to see how we'd filled out how the years had changed him and stop him and how he was just so comfortable with his own skin and so much look forward to and. I just thought about this morning when I listened to you talking about the open and even with our own girl with our kids. It's just you know. Ah Isn't it funny of all people. Katie couric posted. You don't realize What a blessing? It is just to leave your house and come back at the end of the day. I guess this is yet another another reminder to be grateful for the very smallest thing love you on how many two family so much and I WanNa just it Say thanks to everybody out there who is taking a moment to to affect us to let this affect their lives. Because it's true if we don't have these moments we don't have these. He's to reiterate that later to short then it all goes by way. Too Fast Sues. Thanks for the call. I knew you'd be perfect to put a button on my show and thank you for everything. That's my wife used her real sports. What a perfect way to put it that you just never know when? Somebody's GONNA walk out the door. I mean Vanessa. Sangha Abida Colombian in Oregon the game. We'll be. How's that getting on the helicopter? Like they always did like. Kobe did to go back and forth when he was playing for the Lakers to all time I honestly don't even you know how to express it. I mean I think honestly it's not hyperbole to say that he this moment is this generation's John Lennon Princess Diana Anna Jfk. I I don't think that's saying too much or clemente or heard. A caller mentioned it before and No I think that's appropriate. Yeah where you know you remember where you were working in. Kobe doesn't deserve to be in that next. Obviously none of those people let mentioned that he doesn't deserve that. It's not the way that we ever thought it would end for. Will you never think it's going to wait for anybody. But a renaissance man and suzy makes a great point when he was it was the beginning. He was a kid he was kept with nineties. was trying trying to fit in yum. Took Brandy to the a prom. Yeah like he was so famous Yup at such a young age and handling it all so well in la which is one of the toughest spots still once it's he got to the NBA trying to fit in in that community. Yeah and now. He's got people like Devin. 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BTSC Steelers 2021 Draft Roundtable: Welcome to Pittsburgh, Buddy Johnson

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BTSC Steelers 2021 Draft Roundtable: Welcome to Pittsburgh, Buddy Johnson

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show our team of national and local experts at the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests leaving mind from around. The industry subscribe to the espy nation. Nfl show wherever you get your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl. Draft and beyond pittsburgh steeler fans. We are back second. Pick of the fourth round. Steelers are going linebacker buddy johnson back to back an picks who would just kind of interesting in itself stops the run of offensive players kind of interesting. Because i think there's some bigger names at linebacker that we're still available. I'm curious to see what the experts think on that. Pick but jeffrey. Just your initial reaction to the steelers foregoing getting a nickel corner and and getting a backer here in with their second fourth round. Pick that's interesting to me. It really is Although we've been saying we've been saying what we need is a more athletic events williams and you know who is a more athletic version of events williams buddy johnson from texas up. He's that guy he also texas and m. is sec. We're back to back taxes. Anthem here He's he's an explosive dude and he's he's run guy so I see them going that way. It kind of makes me question how much they value vince. Williams coming back and it really it to me. Drives the james pierre hype train right. That's that right now. That guys you're what your number three mortar. He'd be the three plus just lane is number three. I mean that's a chance but to me james pierrette. They're going this far. They're they're giving james a shot to play significant snaps next year and they're not invested highly in a backup for him so Yeah that's that's that's what it says to me is they. Think a lot of jean-pierre so from buddy johnson's pro day. He measured in at slightly over six foot tall. Two hundred thirty pounds ran a four five eight forty more that speedy type Doesn't look like he did He participated in the bench but looks like overall a fairly good athlete. Mattia what do you think about Buddy johnson i didn't mind him either. I guess in some of the mocks mean you guys know. How many billion mocks us someone that i was seeing a lot lighter on The steel is really like him. I think jeffrey hit the nail on the head around you know. Do we start seeing replacement. Vince williams. But that's the concern. That's why for me. I'm having you guys know how great a day to ahead. This is starting to make my day three of referendums that the draft crushes the draw flocks that i had on the on the board he but look you know we need to get younger that inside linebacker position does does give us a few options. I'm just surprised at one. Forty you know and and as you guys know very very hong cameron mcgrane a moped pedigree. Better better athlete at michigan there so the fact that he's still sitting on the board as well they must be saying these things on type and you know if they were. I don't know you you you'll following quite closely unite here that we potentially also ahead here. We sent out to texas for their pray. 'cause i'd be very interested to see what sort of have the background decisions in my day. Give drafted two guys in aurora now out of texas am. Yeah you know what. I'm not actually to certain on who they sent out there. I know for a fact it wasn't tolman or colbert. But it's one of those things. Pittsburgh steelers love taking guys from the same school this year. It's am last. Year was maryland so on so on and so forth. They do it a lot. Jeffrey i guess in this respect do you see the guy with any ability to come in and play right away or is he going to be someone that is more of a special teamer and then hopefully developed over the years because again at linebacker. You've got devin bush coming back into williams resign. And then you've got. Roberts blamed for another year actually actually found who went to texas. Am matt canada. An offensive line coach. Ray morgan interesting. No that makes sense with the the brown thick. The yeah dan. More not brown dan more peck But but buddy johnson. I looked up. His relative athletic score was a nine to one of the highest among inside linebackers. His explosiveness was elite. He jumped thirty eight and a half inches and his broad was over ten by ten foot. Eight inches so he's he's legit. They're a medic. So i wasn't said there's bit of a bit of a lag. Sorry jeffery bally's says well like he you know he's dropped ride. You're adding scenario six three. You know as good which leaves the landscape when that good backup could become Sort of level. I think fans should seek during hurricane. This is a god that they oversee believing they've since guys as you just said that. Jeffrey he's tested off the shots in if he can get off to that run as well. I mean that's where he's is going to be for us. I think he's gonna be a special teams guy visit. This is exactly the profile for special teams. guy he is just. He's an effort dude He's got good speed. he's got explosiveness. You said it down. Their special teams led him light people up and and you've let him learn. Let them show what he can do on the field. One of the big things that show up scouting reports though is something. We're seeing the last couple of years. A major focus on from steelers and that is leadership. This guy was the defensive team leader and he. He said he was a very vocal leader. He was instrumental leader and workouts So this is a guy again where you're looking at the steelers players with leadership qualities all across the board It's a big focus right now. Might tallinn's ever. I mean really ever since antonio brown left right ever since ever. Since james harrison had his meltdown followed by antonio brown and levy on bell. And all that mess as they're building this team and i think it's important to note that they're building the i for a future quarterback to come in and take over this team. They are putting leaders all over this roster and i think that's that's an important step. They lost a ton of voices in that locker room. And i think it does speak volumes to moses still being on the board and a few other guys still being on the board that they go that way now mattia. I'll kick this question you again. What does the inside linebacker depth chart look like to you right now. Yes so interesting obviously. Go to push back off the injury. You've got vince. Williams you've got spelane are seem slotting in there as well. I think he starts to come in in his fourth year. This linebacker it. You know in terms of the jets shot that again like Sub package steals applying to. This isn't necessarily a guy that needs to. he's not gonna even if we need him to start by one. he's to play as much day one as well. so i think that's interesting off as poor stats from him. That i thought were pretty interesting as well. You know. He had eighty five tackles loss g seven hoffer loss full sacks wanted deception. That's his best production through ten games and you know he played thirteen games in two thousand nine hundred which was sort of kuwait. Deploy unlocking those numbers. You know this this some decent numbers outta ten games as well sorry Let's say. I think jeffrey Verkuil later that was one of the big things coming out in terms of what he did. I mean if you've got someone into ladle at a k. position like that in a defense But we've had through covert unit from a decent school like texas and am. Let's read between the lines. He this might be more positive than what we think in know still probably many fans out there just like i am going. Excuse my favorite sitting on the board. Tried out dried up jeffrey with this. Of course now we know the steelers. They went inside linebacker. There next pick isn't until the sixth round. A six rounder is not going to be your primary backup outside linebacker. it's not gonna be. You're starting nickel i to me. James bearn camp center both still outside guys jeffrey. Do you expect these pittsburgh fuse to go out and try to sign a couple of players. And how how those spots filled from outside the organization not from the draft. I don't think so. I think we're looking at a situation. Where when we go nickel. You're gonna see. James p outside and cameron sutton inside. I think you're gonna see that. I think that that works with adding more speed at linebacker is say okay. We're going to lose some of our run defense. Were going to lose some of our blitzing at the at the slot. And i mean this is this is thinking. J. speier doesn't play. Slot pierre plays the slot. He can fill that role. He's not a blitzer as much as we haven't seen that from him but he's a really good run defender so he could be the slot they could be sitting there saying jeez can place light and we're going to plug him in there I think one of the interesting things right. Like a little conspiracy theory on this The steelers now are four deep inside linebacker there three deep outside linebacker and they are deep at defensive end and defensive tackle. We saw the steelers last year. Run their three. You know they're seven man front out there only the lineup in a four three. Look with cam heyward as a defensive end and either. Tj watt bud. Dupree rowlett's highsmith. Playing as an off ball linebacker. We could be looking at a team that says. Hey why not just roll out another inside linebacker there. We have robber. We have vince williams. We have this new kid. Doesn't bush is a perfect for three middle linebacker. He's that might that you want in that defense. We could be looking dealers to say okay. You know if we're gonna if we're going to kind of give. Tj watt and alex smith. Some some breathing room. We can do it by not putting one of them out there we can. We can just leave catches marsh on the bench and not rotated in and just go four three for while you know those snaps not have to worry about edge being out there so there's potential there's potential ways they can do this and that is something they were doing last season they just and they were doing it in two thousand nine hundred ninety where you'd have plays where vince williams w bush and mark barron were all on the field at the same time is a. We could see that coming back. We obviously didn't see it last year. With w bush being injured but we could see it. We could see that this year. So jeffrey says no to free agents. Mattie what do you think in. Could we see casey hayward or a richard sherman old man. Sherman try to come down and play slot. Or is this Is this going to be handled inside the organization. Yeah that's right. that's a great question. I think also. I mean necessarily flea bitten slot debit. Brian poole sitting out there in free agency is well. I great example. What you said that. Jeffrey and when you guys draw profile as well that's literally what they were saying. He has that three or four on that full through fit. So there's versatility here in perhaps that's up that board for the pittsburgh steelers on a slow corner. I mean by the man shown white still sitting that you know we're talking about a cornerbacks out of the ohio state. You're get a get him like when you go back to what we could handle within the. I think they're still going to have to bring in someone outside for me. I just i just think where the free agency or an undrafted guy. I mean jeffrey Type when i know that you talked. He was in the code and call this way to draw crush that went on draft that you had projected on drafted as he was pink out of pittsburgh you know his hey guy that we could fill in there at the slow corner i should. He could be that dude he. He is an interesting prospect just to rattle off some stats for buddy johnson. Here i know mattie got some of it but he had four sacks two forced fumbles a pick four pass breakups last season to go along with those six tackles. He mentioned ran of a four five seven Looking at some the his testing numbers and percentiles that he popped up when he was in like the ninety fifth or above percent. Telindus broad jump vertical jump and forty so he's a freak athlete. This guy is all over the field type of linebacker so that is definitely interesting. Unlike jeffrey mentioned before a leader on the locker room to me when you look at the steelers roster right now. I don't think devon bush's too much of that raw guy i know. He's the guy that gets hyped up. And he shreds michigan state's logo and he's mad and in college. I know cam heyward still the vocal guy. But he's not gonna gonna be around forever Do you think leadership office to jeffrey. I you think those leadership qualities put somewhat higher on the steelers draft board considering that really have as many kind of influential voices in the locker room. Yeah yeah i think so. I think we have seen a concerted effort Not just to have leadership at the top. Not just with bush you know not just not just with a nausea harris who those guys are both considered incredible leaders in their last two first round draft picks. We've taken but also as you go down the roster you're seeing guys who are consistently lauded as being team leaders and good guys and that makes sense because we just saw an antonio brown who has a six round pick your. He's not a future leader on the team. It doesn't matter. He's got character shirts. Okay but he can return punt for a touchdown so let's grab him and play him on special teams and he can be our number five wide receiver and then he turns into your number one ride receiver and all of a sudden. His leadership becomes an issue. And all of a sudden the you know. That's that's now an issue So to me it makes sense across the board. Just have guys who are good character guys. Who are these guys. So that when you do have someone upfront leading. You've got these guys behind him. That aren't just following but our leaders themselves are able to lead themselves and can keep it going. So i i really think it is a focus and yeah rightfully is moving people up the steelers draft board. Say what you want about already. Burned back in two thousand sixteen. But i would say that was the first draft when the steelers definitely kind of a transition into taking guys that were more likely to be good locker room guys. Good guys off the field since then basically all these draft picks one of the things you hear about all these guys a ton of is dare great off the field and in this draft class. Like we're seeing you hear that about all. These guys. Najji harasses as good as he is on the field. He's ten times that off the field for the community putting in work for people in need and just being a good dude funny dude in the locker and we've heard some of his interviews of course not that interview with the with the media yesterday which was a bit of a disaster but won't spend too much time on that as we do. Welcome in dave scofield into the conversation but it is it is something to kind of to kind of look at when it comes to the steelers tropics that they're taking good dudes i. I think that matters a lot to them. And i think you'll continue to see that as the rest of the draft unfolds but before we get to anything else don't ask. Btc co editor. Dave scofield his initial reactions on both thought. A both of the draft picks rather of dan moore and now buddy johnson. I have to say. I'm extremely disappointed. That i didn't get to catch this show from the beginning because i was having to do the audio podcasts. And everything else. 'cause i really wanted to hear matt ep. His reaction to the But buddy johnson right even getting get the name right. The right in the three hundred 's going to the steelers around fours of just wondered how that you guys. I just wanted to pop in and say this goes to show some people say it's important. Some people say it's not and i talk about this or not when you have a big gap in picks a draft because when you have that. Enormous gap of sixty plus picks. You get a player that you're like i don't know if he's going to be around the you know we really want him and we have such a long time to wait. Maybe this better be the place to get him. And i mean they have. What a dozen other linebackers other experts thought were better that they could have chosen and they went with this one so that does tell you that they really like him. They must really like him to take him out high. But it might have been one of those cases where he might have been more of their fifth round selection but they didn't have once they had to take him out. Yeah i can definitely see that like manny was saying earlier. He thinks the steelers might be wise for them to move back up into the fifth round here because of how much talent is still available. You agree with that. Dave i mean i mean what are you. Give up for it. Are you giving up your your six and you know and one of the seventh you. It might take. Everything laughed or something from next year to get into the fifth round. Pick left you know. That's the that's it question or they better off just saying. Hey we want three more players. There is the talent there i mean. This is the point of the draft. Where people won't sometimes have to say. Who because i mean especially with buddy johnson who had buddy johnson their radar. Anybody did you know anything about an at seven. I didn't like navy in his seventh. I mean so the billion mark drops and even then like if we didn't get growing in. I didn't necessarily see the fit. The way steals did sire on shock. I knew you would be sucked daddy. And that's like man. I wish i could catch that. I'll go back to make sure i watch it. But yeah that's that's the i didn't get. I didn't talk about the offensive. That's the typical pick in the typical spot for the steelers. When they have two guys that they believe are their starters that he's a guy that could be the next guy with some work. And i do like that. He was one of the few tackles in the in the draft that actually had long arms and it was also said that this wasn't such deep tap tackle class. He could have even gone in the second. I'm gonna kick this over to jeffrey benedict for the next question here. Just as a whole what do you feel. How do you feel about this. Entire draft class up to this point five guys now four straight offensive players and then johnson that i think we're all in agreement is a bit of a reach but someone steelers definitely had their eye on. Well i thought about the offense the offense it just makes sense to me as it's showing that they are. They're moving to matt canada's offense this is it's going to be interesting to me with this draft what we're seeing is. How does ben fit like. Is this situation where they're gonna build a roster for next year for for matt candidate in twenty twenty two and then twenty twenty one. Just be like. Yeah whatever. Whatever works with bands together for a year or is this team is going to be like. We're all in with canada. And ben you're gonna have to fit yourself to that It's very interesting because this is not. We are not drafting a team. That fits what ben rothlisberger wants to do. This is not a team. That's going to be running eleven personnel. You've got eric. Ebron iran an pat fire booth like. You're not running eleven personnel eighty five percent of the time. That's not going to work. You need to play those guys you know. You want both of them on the field. That's when you're gonna get the most value out of them so for me like i look at it saying that. That's what it says to me right now. Is the matt canada's in charge of this offense that's number one and number two. We're seeing some typical steeler trends leadership. We're seeing i mean. We just saw two guys from the same school and we're seeing a lot of athletes. we're seeing athleticism. Be a major focus. Obviously outside of offensive line tech's but we're seeing that a athletic linebacker lots of leadership. You know it's it's steelers. Big dave can. I jump in with just one thing he said about tight end. It's where he's right but it's we got something wrong in our minds and that is eric rose. That really tight end. I mean think about it last year when the steeler fan five wide they didn't do five wide receivers. It was four wide receivers. And eric hebron so this so although i do completely agree with jeffrey that they're going to runs more too tight end looks. I don't know that it's going to be broad necessarily as the typical tight end or is it going to allow them to try to get a different because the tight end. Get a different defensive package on the field that they could either. That attack the ron. If they're gonna go small thinking they're going to pass or attack with the pass if they go big And then they can get the mismatch is so it's he's exactly right. But you gotta also think of hebron is is tight end is your wide receiver and use it. To your advantage. Not your disadvantage. Yes even add on to that. I'd say eric ebron was really only brought in because the smoking deal. The steelers got on a year ago for just three million bucks for last season. I think i think that a huge reason obviously why they sign him. But i think from the beginning he was kind of a questionable fit Matt we've crossed over to four. Am there where you're at in australia. First of all how you holding up and what do you think about this draft all good. This is what banking's national steel fannies bank pumped up You know we're good and it's my turn. How many of you had to stay up over the last few days right. You know where attained we all together right. So you know we've practiced what about. What sort of the attitude is we want for the steelers. Were waiting to take it ourselves here at bay. Tsa so yeah. i'm good. I just i so much. Talent left on the board. I i just i us to just too much of a gap year for me. There's too much of a gap so to get back to to buddy johnson here for a minute. Geoffrey i'll ask you this i He's kind of cut from the same cloth as devin bush and like to me. I know our conversations on our wednesday night show We've talked a lot about how the steelers like the pair. Someone off like a kind of a different type of linebacker next to devin bush. Is she more of a devon bush backup or are they going to try to change their philosophy at inside linebacker. I think he them a player that can do a little bit of what devin bush does I would hesitate to call him the same. They're sizing athletic profile is similar But he's this guy. I don't see him as a coverage guy. A debit bush is going to be that dude buddy. Johnson's gonna be tasked with just attacking people He he's not the best at slipping blocks right now. But that's ham stuff. You can work on hand by you. Could work on that you can work pass. Rush moves But he's great taking people on and so. Hey that's that's where you fit. That's what you do like go. do it man go. hit people I like him there. And i think really. It's a case where he small for what he does right. He's a small athlete. So you think he's devon bush but you watch it when you you see what he does on the field in your like nice of williams. But he's not. The size is the size to be that guy. So he's kinda that twitter and i can work as long as the defensive line in front of him still kicking butt and taking names he's gonna be he's gonna be fine. Dave you talked a lot about in this offseason. How draft picks at a certain point in the draft. They don't really play as much get significant snaps here in the fourth round and considering steelers holes you think both dan moore and Buddy johnson could come in at any certain time of the season and takes him significant snaps. Or are we still looking at that philosophy. Where that you probably don't see them until you're too. I see them compete as they might not. They could be adjusted lane. They might not get a single snap based on how everything plays out. They're not going to have to play but if they're ready to play they could. That's kind of how i see. Both of these picks. I think it's wise. That's if you're gonna take these positions. I'm glad they took them here. Rather than than if that's the go to the philosophy anyway i could see a probably see johnson unless unless it was that. Why can't remember the more ends up being the jumbo tight end if you know what i mean. That's that's the only thing jerk one of the things. I've just seen as like two cohen graham goto a texas. Go to the falcons right. And i'm starting to say some of the different guys. You had like luke pharaoh early to the jacksonville. Jaguars brevin jordan's go into to buffalo. You'll starting to say a few of the To buffalo texas my bad. what is these but what. I'm starting to say as well that way. Now getting to that stage where different teams allowing different players based on how much tight they soar. They didn't say anything dive. You brought up a really good point earlier. In terms of the gap that exists the steelers and going up and getting that guy. But i think now we're going to look into that territory way when we look forward seeks twelve twenty four months time. This is where it's going to be like. That same is really high. They they made a mistake. People are gonna start taking Him down under him where people are going to be placed. So you're gonna start to say there. I think from the rest of the rounds. We're going to have a different place. We have those drop crushes on. But it's gonna come down to who's gonna who's gonna really fit and based on what people white Individuals teams really like on type. That might be very different to what the team next to the market thinking so we had a super chat here. I'll steamatic i know. You're the the prospect guber here. One guar- puts two dollars in the tip jar and says any chance of teams high. And ahmed brooks to me only brooks i can think of is what the former forty niner. That's like forty years old at this point. Is this the right name. Is this someone that this deals interested in is not on my right. All but on the pittsburgh steelers not none of my right off. So i if anyone can find that we'd love to answer that for you want or if If you meant another name to throw it in the chat will try to get up for you beyond that as we're kind of rounding out the show here a couple minutes left jeffrey. I guess i'll throw this to you. I are you happy with what the schools have done on this offseason. As a whole this draft in general we know the next couple picks sixth and seventh round often have a hard time of making the roster. So right now. I think we know the meat of the team. Are you happy with what they've done. I have we've addressed. Our major needs Quarterbacks the only one left really outside linebacker but those are backups. Those aren't we don't need someone to to come in and really compete right away. So i'm all right with that. I i wanna see how we address those those two spots left but for what they've gotten in this draft. I'm a fan deba. The same question to you or are you happy with the direction his team have they done enough to repeat as champions. Yeah i really liked what they've done and i've liked what they've done as we've gone on because i've actually liked the earlier picks more when you see what they've done with the ones later i was. You know you mentioned before. The whole acclamation issue. I was kind of buying into my own numbers too much. Oh man if they wait until the third round they're gonna you know they might have a guy that they can't relieve in us the first year and but what the steelers made that third round pick it just made me appreciate the first two pick so much more that they took them in that spot because they they had a guy they wanted. They knew where they needed to take them in order to get him and that's what they did so it was really. I really cow shaping. Up but jeffries right. They've got to me. You gotta adjust corner. I don't know that they will. I mean i think they should but if they don't. I think the bigger mistake would be to not address edge because you are still looking at a player. That's gonna come in and need to take some snaps off the guys that are out there so if you're talking about a sixth round bedrest them play possibly getting more playing time. The two guys they'd just took in the fourth round so the bengals just made the most bungles move the draft. They went kicker. Evan mcpherson to the cincinnati bengals. We'll see your any book is fine for them but mattia will ask for your thoughts. Your are you happy with this steelers kind of offseason so far or do you still want a little bit more to be done. Yeah i agree with you right there. We could be worse. Could be the bungles. Picking a kicker sorry That's just the fourth of the start of the fifth started events okay. He's making sure the i'm really happy. I mean i get back to the day one and day two that we had we got instantly the best running back in this draft consensus on our finish this in the poor said but we got the best taught in that was remotely going to be an off field of draw in know in a you. Wet pat framers Bane the best tight end in that draft whether round one would be wary would sit in that hypothetical draft who knows but and we've got a guy like kendrick grain here which as we all watch more type on black alex seismic white kevin dotson loss g. We will sit there and we get a little bit. this small gets bureau. Nature faces so unhappy. So you look at dan more necessarily i mean the thing is if you don't pick a guy in round one in dave's top this loss few weeks as well. They're not starting in wake one. You know the likelihood of them studying these soya boy. So there's nothing to lose their if they've got to god they think he's the biggest improve roll. The most coach -able automatically an advantage. And then you get a guy. Like buddy johnson who you know. Is jeffrey towards back into a bunch on special teams. He can do a bunch in three full three. You know we get visibility. There is dave said we've gone and get him gone and got him now because we don't wanna missing wider on really still bay there for ron inside. Linebackers happens when doing what we need to do. And then i go back to what a couple of you have said as well like we've got good people in that room we've got people but main business that are not heated created tikey attentional. The number one goal nets getting seven phone body. So yeah. I think we've gotten better and unhappy. Who we've gotten better with okay so closing thoughts time on buddy johnson. Jeff real start with you on this one. What are your thoughts on this pick. I like him. I like him. He's he reminds. Me of the steelers makes me. Think of a steelers linebacker. He's an athlete. he's a hard hitter. He's a leader. He's been on special teams and he's gonna find a role in the defence I liked to pick dave same question you i. It's so hard to get information on him. I just can't wait to see the film breakdown from jeffrey benedict coming up. That's really going to sway me more than anything to me at the biggest question i have to i have to ask is what would he have been there around six or seven other than that but if all it takes is one team and when you're rubbing elbows six feet apart you know i'm saying that now for this year with guys at pro days all it takes us. Oh wow the panthers really liked this guy. They think they might get him in the fifth if we want better get him in the fourth so they have a much better idea that so i'm not going to doubt where they had to take him in order to get him and really look forward to find out more about all right. Mattie i guess You can end us off here buddy. Johnson what do you think. I think we'll get. We'll walk him a lot. More is the wakes lowest. Oh by the analysis comes very We're just have to back the steals on this one. There's a bunch of town still on the board. Let's the nicer. That may they made the right pick and as for myself i think the steelers have built an outstanding special teams core. This offseason which is something. I think you're gonna hear lot talked about. But they've added a lot of bodies their their coverage team is going to be really good and who knows maybe they do at a big pun and they need some guys to fly down the field i know. Bts's co editor jeff hartmann. If he's listening even fired up for a punter pick especially in the six around annoyed loved that he might love a long snapper more But as we get to the top of the clock here. I want to thank you for tuning in for jeffrey benedict. Dave scofield and matt pepper. My name is michael back. 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The Curtain Call, Part 2: Steelers free agents, Should I Stay or Should I Go?

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The Curtain Call, Part 2: Steelers free agents, Should I Stay or Should I Go?

"Pittsburgh steeler france. We are back talking about who's coming. Who's coming back to the steelers next. Go back still. Current dot com joined is always the fabulous. Jeffrey benedict. Defense is all about compliments. Now we've got to build each other up after that the terrible playoff performance. That's what it comes down to but defensive side before even talk about any players should the steelers invest even like a single draft. Pick in the end of this defense. They're full of draft fixes. It is should the steel like is it time for them to focus completely a on offense when it comes to drafting guys. I don't think you see a first round pick unless unless all the offensive linemen are gone. Then i could see it. Probably a few. You're gonna have some defensive backs you got to replace you know this year at least one next year. Some more they're pretty. they're pretty good shape. You probably need another outside linebacker just for your number three but other than that mostly offense but i think you'll see you'll see more balanced than a lot of people would like i know we all. We all tend to do that. Like the offense. These works so just draft ten players on offense and trade back and get all the and maybe some of them are good But that's how the steelers ever work the no matter how much we want them to like. So they'll they'll get a good but there's not a lot of there's not a lot of holes on defense speaking of big holes but depre- that's that's a massive one to try to fill if he goes but of course coming off the acl Be worth a little bit more or a little bit less which might benefit the steelers. He someone you look at a sack totals in the house developed in you. Watch the film and how you rexha game. How is a game changer. It would really suck if the steelers lost this guy. Is there any world where he is back in the black and gold next year. I don't think there is and this is the sad thing. This is the sad thing you know this. A huge duprey fan. Anyone who knows me from behind the steel curtain. I have been a bud. Dupree apologised when he was considered a bust. I have been like no. He's actually better than you think. It just doesn't show up in stats. let me. Just let me just in honor a budgie pre. Let me give you some numbers here all right weeks. One through twelve weeks bud dupree played. Are you ready for this steals at forty one sacks almost four game they average almost four game three point seven three a game seven of their first eleven games were under a hundred yards rushing allowed as over sixty percent of the games. Sixteen percent Interceptions in eleven games as one point four or five interceptions per game and they had a seventy one point five passer rating against sense bud pre was injured and was no longer on the field. And i'm alex smith fan. I think he's good. You can get into him But they had fifteen sacks those games that's two point five per game over a sack per game lost once bud dupree one out. They had one of six with under one hundred yards rushing allowed. They arrived rush. One hundred rushing over eighty percent of their games before it was thirty five percent of their games. they had two interceptions in six games. That's one interception. Every three games instead of one and a half as interceptions per game average and they had a ninety two point nine passer rating against but do pre makes a huge difference on the field. Much bigger than just his stats. He is a phenomenal player. He is the guy who buys into team i stat. Second e. is that guy and whoever signs him granted it needs to be a team that runs a three four and ideally has a pass rusher at the other spot. A young stud pass rusher at the other spots that you're just like we want to turn that guy loose and we need the other side to be held down. Really well bud dupree dude. Before he was getting sacks he was keeping quarterbacks in the pocket he was limiting rushing yards. He was limiting passing short screen passes on his side. The dude is an absolute game wrecker. Who in the last two years has learned how to turn just being from a guy who creates havoc to a guy who can finish a play so for me. Bud dupree is my favorite steeler and this is it that was like week. That awful game against the ravens was the last that awful win against the ravens was his last time in a steelers jersey and that breaks my heart and I love you bud dupree and you're gonna terribly wherever he goes he's going to do it and i'm glad he's gone. I'm like it's depressing. That's the most depressing about this season. So yeah go say what you say. I'm a minute i thought that. Make you smile with that. Too new stocky comment but You know what. Bud dupree meant so much when he got hurt the locker room. After that rams game everyone was like down l. mansions over that. That's really how it felt. And that's what happened the interview. Like how could this deal's not bring this guy back like they not eat to find the money to bring him back. He means too much to this team in october. They bring him back. I'm gonna be like freaking out. Like i'm going to be drunk for a week. I don't even know like it's gonna be crazy for me if they don't see. I'm getting my hopes up right now. I'm getting excited. No he's gone. He hits he's just gone people. If he comes back we would have the best theory. We'd have the best We'd be so good with alex. Smith outside legit. Let's let's move down. Smith exercise with really quick. This is why bud dupree has got the reason. Bud dupree has gone is because alex highsmith is legit. Alex highsmith is legit. He was a rookie this year. There was a lot of drop off. He did not work. Well with cameron heyward when they moved into the other side. He'd work was the steph onto it. He just doesn't have experience with those guys but by himself is individual talent. He is a really good player. He can do the things bud dupree gave them. He's just not at bud dupree level especially right now. He's not quite the athlete. Bud dupree is. He doesn't give you that Quarterbacks are gonna escape the pocket more. We're going to deal with that again. You know with bud. Dupree came in the steelers. Stopped giving up yards to quarterback scrambling. It just stopped happening That play against miami and the playoffs will continue to be when favorite place ever or their quarterbacks. Like i can just run out of the pocket. Bud dupree no. Oh you out of the pocket. I'm going to run you out of the game. And it's like it's like quarterbacks you see it like they just don't leave the pocket because bud dupree is there and he's like come on. Come on out here. Come on guys come out. And they're just like no it's okay cam heyward can fall on me. That's fine. i'm not leaving this pocket and having bud dupree like send me into next week. And that's Was a steeler fan. You gotta love that. You've gotta just love that. So but alex is the real deal. You have to let bud dupree go simply for the fact that where the snaps like. You can't play these guy sixty percent of the snaps you can't. Tj watt sixty percent. You can't play bud dupree sixty percent and you can't play alex smith sixty percent. You can't do it. They're all too good bud. Dupree has to go and that's awful. It's sad but that's what happens when drafting alex highsmith. You let. that's why you drafted outside. Smith he has lived up to expectations. More bud dupree gone. Let's move on from no one one more question. I'm sorry ono. In hindsight in hindsight would you have given the cam. Heyward deal to cam heyward before the season started. Or would you let cam lock this offseason in order to keep a depre- in the black and gold see. Now you're gonna cam still can't hayward cameron heyward is. He is the heart and soul of that defense. You look at him after that playoff loss when he came out and talked about how the defense failed. That man is a steeler. You know what i'm saying. That may and gets it. And he is the exact guy you want leading this locker room. My favorite the best interview show on in the world is bud. Dupree show bud buddy interview with cam heyward. It's phenomenal how he ribs cam. I love that video. I watched that periodically. It's the best you know what. Yeah you gotta go cam heyward. But wherever bud dupree goes i salute you. You're still my favorite steeler until you the day you leave your my favorite steeler. You're going to be one of my favorites steelers of all time and wherever you go. Tear the league up please. Don't go in the afc north speaking speaking that cam heyward being huge leader thing. The that's what the offense needs a out of one of its skill players. You know what i if anyone could be that like. That's a rookie. I've watched not nausea harris. Speak a lot in press conferences. He is a good dude. He seems like he's a passionate dude. And if he if he can be what hayward is to the defense as a leader. Then i'd be all for drafting him in the first round who you know who was cameron heyward on offense jerome bettas. Absolutely the man and the team just rally behind him. That was it was crazy how much he was loved. If you could find that that's worth the first round pick of it's a running back that's worth lately. Harris if you if the if the steelers that dude no-brainer. Yeah twenty four. I don't think it's the combine that would get him picked. It's what he does interviews with the team is. It's what would make him pick by the steelers at twenty four If he's that good of a leader who knows if even last twenty four it's going to be one of one of the things to watch and see us as non insider types. Obviously we know a ton about this team but not the day to day operations. No one's ever really gonna know until years later when guys are retired and write their own books sort of thing. I don't get good film on isaiah. A harris broadcast angles are terrible for evaluating people. I don't get The all twenty two. I don't get that With college guy so. I can't really break down. But if he's a nick chop if he's a nick chubb for me. That's a no-brainer. Take him in the first round. Because nick chubb would have had over a thousand yards on this steelers team and the offense would have been substantially this year. This dealer team with the injuries the offense they ran nick chubb with a gain. Two thousand yards on this team. That's just. He has that level of vision connor and sell just beyond what connor and snell can do. He's just that much better. If he's a nick chubb talent wise and he kind of interviews. Yeah go for it. And he's he is division guy. So i can definitely see that. He's the big time sees the whole but moving back to the defense back the. Yeah the like. It's so much fun to talk about. The offense though. Middle linebacker is gonna be really interesting. Of course roberts planes in our fay. I think we can both just guarantee he's coming back at the steelers won one hundred percent if they are. They somehow did that. You'd be like who has taken charge of the steelers wired vita they love the cleveland browns now on on the same note though of course devin bush is going to be going to be coming back. Changed the defense completely way. Better instantly with him back on the field. There's two guys that are really interesting vince. Williams who's under contract. He could be a guy that could earn the steelers some money back by cutting him. He's definitely like a heart and soul type but is he the linebacker for the modern. Nfl aleve that hugh. But the other guy. Avery williamson who they traded for. He's still the the bulk tackler. He's the guy that just gets guys. Down i think the pairing between every williamson devin bush would be one of the premier inside duos in the league. So i'm curious. Your thoughts i if it came down to being able to bring williamson back and if that meant cutting vince williams and say that saved you million bucks would you do that. Is that something you'd be interested in or is this vince. Vince williams linebacking group. No matter what yeah. i'm going vince. I'm events fan Let me let me get you some stats on devon bush here because people people think about about vince williams From what they've most recently saw which was him getting exposed and coverage a lot. But let me get you. Some numbers here vince. Williams in the first six weeks five games played right two sacks ten tackles for loss and three. qb hits in five games. that's on pace for like six and a half sacks thirty tackles for loss like are you kidding me. He was like at the front of the league at that point after devon bush left right after he was gone. Vince williams had one sack four tackles for loss and one. Qb hit in ten games ten games. That's the different Difference devon bush makes this defense early in the season people were like devin bush. He keeps getting beaten coverage. He's an all these crazy assignments. What are the steelers doing with him. And by the way. Vince williams the best linebacker in the nfl and devin. Bush is gone. Vince williams have actually play like in coverage and things and they're like ooh vents out devin. Bush is going to be back. And if he plays a full season vince. Williams is as much is like you. You say avery williamson would really let avery williamson would let devon bush. He's a playmaker. Devon bush was as a rookie devon bush who he is now who he was in. His second season is better than that. Guy better than. He wasn't his rookie season. And he let vince williams be that playmaker his speed to the ball. His ability coverage is ridiculous. The stuff they were doing with and we talk about like the defense ended up getting pretty boring and vanilla and predictable at the end and teams are able to solve it. What they were doing in the first five weeks like people didn't understand what they were doing. What are they doing with with devon bush and when you look at it. They're really like he like my tallinn's drawing like derrick brooks type of stuff from tampa bay. He's doing that kind of stuff. Devin bush was playing like derrick brooks level. Nfl football as a second year player in the nfl. And vince williams. Animals gonna add in. Mike hilton also had phenomenal early stats. He obviously was injured. Came back from injury. Didn't do the same thing but he was also phenomenal while devin bush was there. Devon bush is going to be in coverage. She's gonna be that dude. You're going to see vince. Go off again. If devon bush is healthy and back in and who he was in his second year. So i'm going vince. Williams absolutely want percent. Okay now before we get to any of the backups. On any linebackers we got. We got some other positions. We should burn through. I most notably the two corner spots the to starting corner spots. Those are the guys that the steelers could potentially cut and save a decent chunk of money. If that's the road they go. But on the flip side. I think the steelers the steelers fans no steelers fans at least now. The steelers cannot draft a corner worth crap. They cannot do it for whatever reason. I think the best corner. They've ever drafted. Taylor was ike taylor like this amazing elephant corner. No i don't know if you've ever made a pro bowl actually like it's one of the things like this team. The way they built their cornerback room right now was smart by just doing it through free agency. Could this deal is be bold enough to cut either. These corners like are both heynen nelson coming back for sure next year because of their inability to find other guys with as. We talked about drafting quarterbacks. I'm going to bring up one of my favorite little tidbits of information. Sorry to hijack the show for the time But the steelers defensive backdraughts were went. Dick lebeau was gone. This is the craziest thing. Dick lebeau left the steelers to go be the head coach of the bengals. Right he left. He came back in two thousand four. He left in nineteen ninety six in that span of time. The steelers drafted ike taylor toy paula. Malu chris hope and chad scott the best defensive back. They've drafted since then. Ready for this william gay. That's it like in in a short span of time. They have all these guys and then boom. They couldn't draft again while dick lebeau was here the first time their best d. while he was defensive backs coach or defensive coordinator the first time their best defensive back they picked was willie williams undersized guy drafted in the fifth round their best sense william gay fifth round draft. Pick undersized guy. that's that short. Little gap in between they were very good. Steelers should never draft a cornerback. Again look at justin lane. I know i know he's got a thing with us already but justin lane. I'm sorry ain't that dude you're just not that dude james pierre took your job So yeah don't draft anybody. Don't sign them free agents For me nelson and hayden when they're gone this defense socks like when they are both gone. This defense is terrible. one of them has gone. It's not as good hayden nelson. Last people i would. I would cut everyone on offense. I cut vince williams. I would cut cam. No not cam heyward. I've got to it before. I would cut hayden or nelson find a way to make it up. Don't get those two guys gone and frankly a lot of arguments you see where you would let one of those guys go. You're saving that money already to spend it to sign sutton or hilton. Who are not at that level. They are not a hayden they're not a nelson and joe haden look. He's not who he wasn't when he was younger but he every game he's gone. This team just gets exposed on the right side in pass coverage absolutely gets exposed every single game hayden is out. Hayden is still that dude so for me. Those who have to stay. Do you think either of those two could be getting an extension. Because i believe they're bolstering the deal to gay just as money. I'd extent hating. I extend him a couple of years. Nelson more questionable. It depends on if you can replace him Hayden his in. This defense is perfect. Like when i when. I broke down film on how this defense evolved last season. They put so much on. Joe haden with with one qualification. Joe haden has one qualification to his game and that is he's deep or he covers short and that's it that's the only qualification you have if you give him that. Like joe haden your job on this. One is to cover deep. He's phenomenal. if you're joe haden your job on this time is to cover the short area. He's incredible if you're joe. Haden lockdown this guy. No matter what route he runs he can be because he's just his speed. Isn't there right. He's not as fast as he was when younger. And that's it. If you give him that one thing he is phenomenal. If you give him just part of the field to cover locks it down love. Joe haden is a playmaker gotta stay. Yeah i agree. I completely if they cut him. I'd be pretty upset by that. That would be a sad day. In my household i will not lie. But we're going to more corners here. Mike kam-sun a really feels like they're gonna come down to one of those guys and going back to that jerry dulack report that i've been talking about a little bit today. He said between the two he said it's not hilton. Who'd become back which was a little surprising to me. But that's the steelers insider guy. I'm curious to know your thoughts between those two. Who would you bring back. would you bring back either. Would you bring back both like w- what do you think in there. That is interesting that he said sutton over hilton because like mike hilton. Mike tomlin football. Mike helton plays mike tomlin football. He is exactly mike tomlin. Do like that is mike tomlin's definition of a defensive back. I'm a big fan if they lose my hilton. Who's taken that role who's blitzen. They don't have another defensive back who can blitz trail edmonds. can't blitz like my hilton. Ken i might kill them was a beast early in the season before his injury. And there's your qualification. One hundred percent if they're looking at him after that injury and be like mike helton's not mike helton anymore. He's not gonna be that dude he's going to be a bit slower he's going to be a bit less and it's just not going to work out then you gotta go sutton For me mike helton in that slot blitzer role which has become a very valuable commodity in the current nfl. Especially with a lot of the motion. We use a lot of the outside. Plays jet jet sweet stuff like that. A guy like mike hilton is a really important piece to have on your team. I don't know if maybe that maybe the idea is he's going to fetch too much and there's no way we can pay him and cameron sutton is going to be cheap. Because who's gonna cameras wanting to be a starter. They're not you know. He's not that dude he's not a starter he's a great backup he's a great rotational guy. i'd love to have them both back last year. I said there are the top we have the best top for. James spear makes one expendable and to me. That could be either of them. That could be either of them But i will warn you if it's sutton sutton it comes back. He is not going to overtake mike. Hilton's role in the nickel. They're have to redesign the nickel defense if they do that. If you're number three corner your nickel defense isn't what it was and it's not going to be as good because sutton cannot blitz. He's terrible at it. he's absolutely terrible at it in run support. He's not good. He's passable. he's not good. He can make tackles. Yeah you can do stuff at times. But he's no mike helton. He doesn't read the run lanes he doesn't read it like mike helton does he does. He just doesn't cameron site and cannot be that dude he's a great coverage guy. He's kind of that. That jack of all trades master of none And if he does have the strength it is just straight following guys deep even even like if he replaces if he replied to me he he is the guy that would let you let nelson go because he can be that guy he can be steven nelson. He can't be joe haden. When nelson's out cameras sutton can fill that role. When joe hayden's out and camera something goes in the right side of that past events exposed. Because he can't do it hating us So for me. I guess. I'm backtracking a bit. I'm saying you could see sutton brought back in nelson like oh that would be an option for the steelers will happen Whoever they keep going to change things. 'cause you losing hilton hurts the sutton hurts to. I don't know that's that's a hard one for me. I go back and forth on it constantly. Yes that's going to be one of the things. I don't think anyone blitz is in the. Nfl michael does. I think he said who's the best blitzing defensive back like hell. Yeah the two thousand nine hundred. Logan ryan was close to that and he wasn't this anymore they use them differently so moving on. We got a little bit of time left. So let's hit up a couple other backups before we look at a little bit of special teams but when it comes to outside linebacker spots like it could be the four spot could be the fifth spot tomei Denny or cassius marsh com ogden. E- e okay. I learned how to say his name. So i say get denny dang yeah olasunkanmi adeniyi. The only is i cake on. This is off any was number. Two in special teams snaps number two on the team behind only jordan dangerfield who by the way is also a free agent So it's another year where your top special teams guys are. Free agents like last season i could see olah brought back. Because of that. If he's cheap but he was nothing on defence like he played a lot of snaps and he did nothing. Great dude like he gives good effort he just. He's not that guy. He's a college defensive end. He is not an outside linebacker. But he's he's reliable on special teams cassius marsh. I like him better on the field than than i like him. Better on the field So for me. I would bring back marsh of those two which which again leaves you another lurch with special teams 'cause There and g. Ron elliott right. He's he's gone again. But i mean you assume you won't be back but then last year he was back and like who knows he's he's that guy that the can just be like. Hey jay ron. You're you're playing. You won't play football again. He's like sure yeah he he's just going to the person you call and there's no one else left to play for you but it of feels like but just flipping over the special teams as we round out our podcast here chris. Boswell someone steals could restructure even save a million bucks in the cap jordan berry. He had probably the best year of his career in two thousand twenty are both those guys destiny comeback jordan berries back. I you know. I like having a salient on the. I like that It just kind of nice kind of we could find another one steelers. When was the last time. The steelers had a good partner. I mean for goodness as we drafted daniel sepulveda's uneaten workout. Yeah that do do draft crush the steelers grabbing. He had these incredible hang times and then he just gets hurt and can't do it ever again. It was ridiculous. But yeah. I think thornberry's upon her. I don't care if he comes back. I tell you what there's another opponent that could be drafted crazy high. The kid from miami. I can't remember his name but could be a partner that goes in like the first three rounds again. Then that'd be great. I hope. I mean if you're not really bad maybe he brings you value. I suppose i suppose but looks like we're at top of the clock jeffrey. So i think it's time to sign up but we got we got. We got when we got. We got cover. Who's that when we didn't get to the defensive line. Oh who i miss. Tyson allow guy. Cover him real quick. Go for tyson alu alu. I think he's gone. But i would love to be back. I mean like he's that guy he's he has been so good in that role he's not going to give you a ton of snaps when he has played on east apps he's not that great But when you limited snaps noise to come in and just brek people's face he's comes in erects people's face And i love that. I love that about him. So i hope i'd love to see him. Come back but you also move on with him. Though one of the things like it bugged me. I if if i was in nfl player. He's one tackle away from four hundred his career just bog me. Three ninety nine go. yeah i'm done. Whatever that means nothing to me bringing back that would bug me substantially. It'd be like no. I'm going to come back the second oldest player on the team behind. Ben exactly that like go with her one you one more year for tyson al. I guess we'll have to wait and see but as as we get to the end of our show. 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Steelers Burning Question: What would be the most shocking move by the Steelers in the 2020 draft?

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Steelers Burning Question: What would be the most shocking move by the Steelers in the 2020 draft?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of the steelers burning question. This is behind this curtain. Deputy editor Dave scofield coming at you this week since we do this. Show on a rotating basis. I know you've had Jeff Hartmann last week I think the week before might have been Lance Williams think you might have Brian Davis next week unless I got the order mixed up but either way it Saturday afternoon I know some of you all might be wondering when the show goes off on a Saturday. Frankly it depends on who's up who's hosting and WHO's ready to do it. And when they're ready to do it. I guess I should say and my kids went to watch a movie tonight so therefore Mike you know. Let's go ahead and knock this out of the park right now in the afternoon so that people have stuff going on so we're going to be here to answer this question. If you're watching live on youtube or later on Youtube you might see that. There's a little bit more of a glow to me. That's because in in the office here. We have a lot of natural lighting. And because it's the daytime I've got a lot of light coming in here so hopefully The reflections not too bad off my glasses. But I'm glad you are here and ready to go. So hopefully the notification went out so. I'm going to jump into this question. I see some people coming in and saying hello in the live chat. I will get to you all here after I do the little spiel and hopefully we get some great dialogue going on but I was. I was thinking about what would be a good question and I know the NFL draft up two weeks from today. We'll be looking right now and being like all right. What are the steelers got because this will be the final day of the draft the NFL saying that they are moving forward? Go forward move ahead. Sorry we don't need to whip it right now They're going forward with draft with although some teams. They're going to have problems with how many people can have at the facility and things like that There might be doing a lot of you know online meetings as to you know through zoom or whatnot in order to discuss what they're doing with the draft under I. I heard a report that the steelers plans are Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert and Art Rooney. The second and maybe one other person will be at the facility and everyone else will be contacting remotely. So that's the draft. That's the way it's going to be this year and as far as we know the NFL. Keep saying it's going to happen. There would have to be something pretty big to change that so the thing is other than that draft being canceled at the last minute or something like that. What would be the most shocking move? The steelers could make in the two thousand twenty NFL draft. I actually actually have a top five so I'm GONNA throw out five and I'm GonNa Kinda of throw them out a little bit of a random order. I'M GONNA I'm GONNA be Weird. I'm going to start with number two. I want to start with what I think is the second most because it could lead into the most and then we'll go from there. I would be the most shocks the second most shocked if the Pittsburgh steelers in the two thousand twenty. Nfl draft traded back into the first round. They've made big moves in the past. They moved up last. You Take Devin Bush. Therefore they don't have their regular third round pick this year a they traded from. If it's Patrick. They don't have their first round. Pick this year to take to to make that move to move back up into the first round would completely shocked me. It's not just so you know all these things that I'm going to bring up aren't things that are so shocking there beyond the realm of possibility. I mean I'm not I'm not gonNA say that. The steelers traded away every draft. Pick to have a higher pick next year among going to say something like that. These are realistic. Legitimate things steelers could do so number. Two for me is for them. Training all the way back up into the first round now could they trade up in the second round to get a higher pick someone has been falling and they think hey if I move up four or five spots. We're GONNA get someone that we never would have imagined. I could see that happening. I could see that having but to move all the way back up into the first round to whether drafting on that first day that would really surprise me but the thing that would surprise me even more. My number one is if they traded back. Because when you don't get a pick until pick forty nine. I would be absolutely shocked if they said Nope. We don't even need forty nine. We're going to move back from that and get another. Pick up another pick later. The only way I could see that realistically happening is if there's four or five guys at the steelers are like man. We are ready to take any of these guys at this position. And someone's like hey. We need to move four spots and is going to throw in another pick like what's another fourth-round picker or something. Depending on how far up they'd be moving at half the drawback I could see that happening but it would have to play out so perfectly that the steelers would know that they would still have basically one of several options that they would have at forty nine in order to move back out of that and other times I could see maybe they trade back but with that being your top pick in the draft. I just don't see them trading back out of that one so those are my two biggest things is seeing that forty ninth pick being traded either to where they go up into the first round or they trade back with it. I could see I could maybe see a slight move up but I would say more but if I had to put money on it I'm sure the odds would be terrible to put money on it. I say that the steelers stand pat and take the best player available at forty nine. So that's the first two things that I think of now. The next thing I would have to say would be. I would be shocked if the steelers did. Not draft an offensive lineman after the draft is all said and done. I would be very surprised if they went this whole draft and did not at least try to get some sort of depth piece in order to get younger at position moving forward because they've got so many guys whose age starts with three and that means that you've gotta have other guys coming in if you WANNA if you wanna stay with that so I won't be surprised. I would be shocked if they did not draft any kind of offensive line. Actually I thinking they're gonNA draft too. I think that they'll they'll draft. There's a better possibility. Drafting to offensive lineman than zero offensive lineman. So people really think. Because it's me I'm GonNa say something about running back now. I wouldn't be shocked about anything with running back. I wouldn't be shocked if they took a running back with their top pick. I don't know that they need to but that's not shocking to me so some people think oh well. David is running backs now. Not like that. So that's though so far I would also be shocked if the steelers did not draft a linebacker of some sort particularly I think they need an inside linebacker just to have more depth there at all. I believe they'll probably address both positions at some point in the draft but if they address neither of them that would be shocking to me to draft no offensive lineman or no linebackers of any sort. That's something that I that I think would would be shocking and to round out my top five. I WANNA say I would be shocked because they do it every year. If the steelers didn't didn't take a wide receiver at some point. You know anywhere anywhere across the board because that's just one of those positions that they are constantly bringing in whether with the High Piccolo pick or something like that Honorable Mention was something that I that I think I saw at some point in the live chat. Although I'm not really looking at it that it just flashed up there is quarterback I would be shocked if the steelers I out. This one would have ranked pretty high. If I think about it this way man I might have to change my list because I would be shocked if the steelers took a quarterback in the fourth round or later because basically what's the point. What's the point? I mean if the right guy fell to you in the third round you really wanted to take a flyer. I understand if the right guy fell to you in the second round. And you're like you know what we weren't wanting our our top overall pick to have to step on the field all this year anyway so we're going to invest in the future. I mean I would rather not do that but if they did it I could. I could see that happening but really. I don't take a quarterback in the fourth round her later I would really say what's the point. What's the point? Because you're really gonNA upgrade over what you had at that point in the draft. I mean it would have to be someone I mean doesn't mean it's beyond the possibility I mean. We want to out there Tom Brady. He was drafted in the sixth round. Yes he was there. You Go But as we know Tom Brady is the exception. Not The rule. So you can't just say. Oh we're gonNA wait till later. We're going to find one of the best. Quarterbacks never played again no no no no no. I mean honestly. It's really hard to find a second round quarterback that's that game changing so let alone further down so I think that's duchess me. That's how I think. All of those moves would be shocking. I don't know what you all think would be the most shocking. I don't know there's something else that you think is pretty shocking so I have not been looking at the live chat so far so I'm going to type something in there right now to ask you all what you think and from that point on is when I'm GonNa Start Reading your comments so if you said something that was really good before this time and you want to keep it over and put it in there or whatever you have to do that was when I will see it. In order to address it on the show you could also if you really want to fire off another question that kind of involved with this question. I'm all right with that as well if you want your question to definitely be answered or or if you want your answer to this question definitely brought up. You can use the super chat feature. Which is you type in what you want to say? Then you hit that dollar sign you donate any amount you want to the show and I will guarantee that I bring it up. Don't feel like you have to use it. I'm going to get as many as I can. I just can't guarantee it otherwise because I don't want to lose focus too much on the actual podcast but if that comes up I will definitely definitely do it. So that your options. So let's see what we have here. Here we go explore your world. He says other than safety. I don't see a single pressing defensive. Need after free agency depends on. If you're talking about I mean I don. I wouldn't even put safety on the top of the list of needs for defense. It would be my top three but all of these needs would be depth. Needs like I could see the steelers needing more depth at outside linebacker. They definitely need more depth at inside linebacker. That could use quality safety depth of someone who could even come on in sub package and dime package but honestly special the defensive side of the Ball Trafton. Someone high really tough to crack the starting lineup. The the only position I could really see that would be the easiest shot at cracking the starting lineup where draft would be as they drafted a nose tackle at that point and I don't think this draft is set up definitely to do that. I don't believe they'll do that but that could be shocking. But that's how they stay on the defense. Okay so lance is doing his thank you very much landslides. Jump on it if you want to come on the show. If you want to right now you gotta do. Is You know the website you have the password. Come on and join the program if you want. Because he said The forty nine pick is worth four hundred ten points this is using the trade calculator which sometimes undervalue some stuff I think they overvalue late in the draft. Sometimes undervalue what teams really want. When you're wanting to go up and like the first half of the first round but it depends on the calculator he said to get into the first minimum value is five hundred ninety so they would need a hundred eighty points to get up there. It would be the second and multiple picks yet. That's why I think trading up into the first round. That would shock me. I just don't think they do it. I don't think it's worth it With everything so let's see what would it too? And that's this was the question and Lance answer before even came up from captain underpants of what it would take to trade into the first round so it would take like land said it would take multiple picks unless you're also willing to trade a pick for next year like would you trade this year second and next year second to go up into the bottom couple picks the first round. I don't know that's that's that would be more kicking the can down the road and the way the steelers are set up with how many players they have on their roster in years to come those few drafts particularly next year and beyond could be important depending on how they work their extensions and everything else so do skipped ahead on me. I'm really sorry everyone. I've got a jump back to try to. Sometimes the live chat. Does that so do do here. We go. I found the question I was looking for Said thoughts on drafting. Tanner muses a hybrid linebacker safety depth. When it comes to specific players couldn't tell you that is not a position that I've dived into yet dove into yet In order to see what's available in the steelers could be picking you know I've I've looked at. I've looked edge. I've looked at quarterback I've looked at running back just because those are the high profile positions. I've looked at line. I look at other things I haven't really dove into safety so To put specific name if the steelers I mean if you're talking about a line a hybrid linebacker safety. I think that's a position that they very well could draft in the right persons there. I am all for them. Poor nutrition on that position. Okay here's feels. He said I would feel. I would be shocked. If they don't take Dobbins Taylor Swift if they are there you want to know the truth depends on who you look at because according to some draft places like CBS. Sports wheels others the steelers. If they took Dobbins at forty nine that would be considered a reach. He is in the fifties and sixties many drafts. So I don't want them reaching at that point. I'm not saying that they're correct. But that's just where the places have them. I have a feeling if if now I guess Taylor. I think he's the one that's only projected in the first round but other than that. I'm not exactly sure so came. So let's see what else we have. I don't know if Lance is asking for my twitter handle or somebody else's the explorer World Two thousand nineteen. This has to go back. I think what he was saying before the defense is third safety and that the whole draft could be offensive. Yeah I think they could use that that safety position but at the same time as I think a bigger need is look. How often the steelers? The steelers did didn't play two inside linebackers. All season last year. Mark Barron played more snaps than Vince. Williams. Do you want Vince Williams on the field all the time if not then you need another linebacker or that. Linebacker safety hybrid. So could it be? Ulysses Gilbert the third. I would love for it to be I. I was really intrigued by him. Last year I like His contributions on special teams. I Really WanNa see what he's capable of doing but if he's not the answer then you don't really have anything else there. That's why I think they could add depth peace there and frankly I've constantly said I'm still not shocked at the steelers. Go Edge rusher with their top. Pick because if you're if but beaupre is not signed. Long-term they'd be in a much better boat to have an edge rusher. Who is that guy like? Anthony Gigolo was last year when he's healthy who comes in when the other guys need to step out who's that that third outside linebacker to come in and play those snaps and then could be available to be the guy next year if if there is nobody pre beyond two thousand twenty so the that to me is the biggest we talked about it. Some of the preview. I think cornerback would be would be someone completely buried on the depth chart because of the guys they have. And even the backups that they have so captain underpants ask what a tagging trade surprise you. Yes it would. I just don't think that's the steelers. Don't use the tag in order to get more value out of someone that would surprise me if they if they traded do pre like. Here's here's a shocking draft thing for you. This was my. I didn't do this one because this is something I thought about before and I'm GonNa leave the question there. I thought about this in the past that that would be absolutely crazy. This would be my my wildest scenario of the NFL draft the steelers. Get AN ED. Rusher that they really like in the first round. Let's say someone like Like a terror Lewis from Alabama. That's one name that I know. It's out there that that would be. He's projected in the early forties. So that would be someone. Got Forty Nine would would be a logical pick. Let's say the second round comes around and the player the best player out there by far is another edge rusher. What's I'd be like okay. Go Edge rusher rusher and rescinded the tag and have some money to do some other things and hope that one of those two got could start. That would be crazy. I don't think they should do it. It would have to line up perfectly but in in one of those. What's the wildest thing you could? You could dream up More completely different than than Tony. Depth article that came out on Wednesday about the steelers trading back into the first round five times and trading away. I think Bundy pre and Steven Nelson and all their draft picks in order to do it. Like other draft picks for the next couple of drafts That would be crazy. I have to admit but that'll thing I said you know load up on edge rushers and then save yourself for money by presenting the tag on Debris Ryan Kellerman with the question of saying who do you think the like enough to trade back up into the first. That's the thing I don't know. And this is part of us because a steeler fans were looking at the steelers can do like last year we were looking at who would be available at twenty versus do you trade up to get one of the Devon's this your worship focused on what's available at forty nine. It's really easy to fall in love. With what could be their forty-nine so much so that you don't think that you need something in the twenty s I don't know of anyone that would be worth that. They would have to be something that the steelers were do. Kevin Colbert himself said. It doesn't look like that's in the cards for them this year while which would also that would be. What would also make shocking. Holly says the biggest shock would be signing Brian. Anthony Davis to replace. Bj Finney Sense. He already owns the pants. GotTa love that one. So here we go. Some people are having conversations about Ben Rothlisberger. That's great keep on with those while. Anything good comes out of those. I'll bring him up. So Michael Malley I think this is his wishlist for the draft safety running back linebacker and a big body fast wide receiver I don't know if he's talking about that being for the whole draft or if that's what you took at the top of the draft. I could see that either like I said. I really safety's position. I really looked into yet with this draft. That's something I'm going to do that when the show's over. Because that's that's pretty intriguing. City boys says I could see them getting an inside linebacker. Yeah if I'm not sure that the right inside linebacker is going to be there at forty nine. That's the biggest thing that I'm not sure about or else I'd be more confident with inside linebacker. I do think the right outside linebacker edge rusher could be there. But that's one of several positions that could be be there became you guys know. Feel about this where everyone says we need an rb at forty nine. I say no. No no no no. No no because as soon as you think you're going to need a running back that's when you're going to pull an already burns reach on a running back and the last thing. I want everyone locked into thinking fast. Running back the only way you take a running back at one that you have at forty nine is he. Someone that you feel is going to be a game changer. And frankly I'd as I talked about on Stack Meek. I mean name running back that the steelers could draft that would be any that would actually be any higher than third come week. One doesn't mean he doesn't move up before then but you know the steelers are going to have James Connors rb one in week one unless he gets healthy or sorry unless he isn't healthy that's just what they're gonNa do and for those. I know I don't want to get off the running back for those of you Donald Bench. Now I'M GONNA go back and say once again. Watch the all twenty two of week. Seventeen against the ravens are no steeler. Fans don't WanNa Watch that game again because of how it ended up and was along the way but seriously go back and watch him run in there and say you know what he's looking like an NFL running back. That's just me game so let's see what else we have. Some people not liking what some people saying about our one franchise quarterback but here we go USA. I can't even say the name. I'm sorry I'm GonNa mess it up. We'll say Mussab. I'll say that would jalen hurts. Be a good pick. I would say not at forty nine. Not Forty nine. I could see them if they really wanted him. He could very well be available in their third round. Pick one or two unless I just don't. If they took him a forty nine I would feel like they took a major reach so I don't think the steelers going to do anything with quarterback on Orleans Williams and I disagree with this. I put it out there to say the reason. The steelers didn't sign a free agent. Backup quarterback is that is that the only reason to sign one if you think ones available who could win the Super Bowl with this team? And if he's not then don't spend the money because the steelers believe they can they can win the super bowl with Ben Rothlisberger. So if you don't think any other why spend a bunch of money on a player that you think is only going to get you part of the way if if we had a repeat of two thousand nineteen? You're better off just trying to make the team overall better and then it does. You're not gonNA have to rely on the quarterback but that's just my own personal opinion based on the way the steelers addressed the position or didn't address the position this year. As to why? I'm not saying it was the right decision. I'm saying that that is why so explore that said. Thank you for addressing comments. Welcome you bring up good questions that are going to be brought up except you guys are probably give bringing up great questions further down that. I'm nowhere close to yet so apparently. There's someone in here trolling. If I come across it then I'll just issue a timeout. Haven't been noticing it that much so but I'll bring up explore your world again because you bring up good stuff. I'm not opposed to getting a good third safety. Pick forty nine and then the entire rest of the draft being offensive players. I I don't think it has to be offensive players. I think they should. They should get their best players available. I love what the steelers didn't free agency this year because what they did last year they they addressed glaring needs in free agency so they had more freedom in the draft. They didn't do it. Two years ago with outside linebacker sought outside linebacker with inside linebacker and then the draft did not go their way and they didn't get one there either and then they were in trouble. And that's why we had Vince Williams Jon Bostick and they try to get Eljay Ford in just on passing plays and then they were guessing wrong. And that's when you have John Boston Garden Keenan Allen on a on a third and five or whatever was to for for the chargers to win the game. And that's up the steelers season. So you don't kind of want those kind of things. How land said he was working. I finally got to that Sierra Fan. Oh what's wanted because that had something that I want to but it skipped on me. Let's see if I can bring that back up. Here I was going to Steeler steeler fan seventy four Duty to do so but we got a lot of. I gotta remember what it was I got. I got thrown off guard. So who's bad pants? Yes Lanza love it. So here's west. Brought up something that I'm heading back up to try to find Sierra Fan. Seventy four is come and he said I wouldn't mind trading a V for wide receiver John Brown of the bills. I don't know what he'd be available with the V are. Yeah I do that if they would do it so here. We go. I'm still looking. There was the tag trade on. I'm so sorry about the about the the the jump on the live chat. That happens too sometimes and then. I don't WanNa miss stuff to go a tooth. I'm stars sorry. Steeler fan seventy four. I lost her comment but we will find some other ones. It was a good one now. I can't remember what it was. I think it was just listening for listing some various positions game so various brought up. Something he said. Edmonds is the weakest link on the defensive. Safety with the with the intent to start would be nice comma in there are periods that means the weakest link on the defense. I can't say that he's not but you also gotta look at who those other defenders are. That are all pretty nice so did a Brian. Anthony Davis you know thing I mean. Okay we'll do it this way. Okay so I'm not going to get down. That are still WanNa see what he does this year. I want to see progress. If he doesn't then I think we know he's not the answer I think he could and and he they mesh and that would be great but For All we yes. He could be the weakest link in the secondary but he could also be no offense he could be the he could be the the ugliest supermodel at the fashion show. If you know what I mean meaning I still made the argument. That bundy pre last year was the weakest link on the Defensive Front. And that's because the entire the the steelers defensive line had four defensive linemen included steph onto it ranked in the top eleven on pro football focus. And I've said before I think pro. Football focus rankings are more accurate for players. That instantly engage. In the line of scrimmage with contact. 'cause it's easier to grade but they're supposed to do when you're talking defensive secondary you'd have to know the play call which makes it harder so with all that and of course. T. J. Watt TJ. What I would say but depre- could be the week was probably the weakest link on the defensive front but that doesn't mean he was a bad player just means they had a great defensive front and that could be end up being the case with trout. Edmonds as well. I'm not gonNA argue that. He's the weakest link there but I don't know that they're ready to upgrade. But if you take the forty-ninth picking the right safety is there and you could play them in some package football and you find out that that's a better option Later in the season or next season then there you go then you go with it so it is what is. Ezra wants to know if Clay Matthews is still out there and affordable from what I understand. He is still out there. There was a reports of worry was going and then I didn't hear anything finalized. I don't know if he's affordable the steelers. Anything else could could say. Hey let's bring him in at a decent price because if nothing else could at least replace the hair of Anthony Chick. So that's that's pretty good. A lot of people like snowman says Chase Klay Pool at pick forty nine. I've heard several people throw that name out there If the steelers that's the right move I'm not opposed to it and it's funny that I keep saying if the steelers think it's the right move. We have to admit we could talk about what we want. I'm sorry I'm get away from the live chat for a moment for this. We've the biggest thing we know about. Sierra fans is is that we can trust our front office to no more than we do all the other fans of the NFL can say that because they they make some. I mean I think I could rather Cleveland Front office better than the people that they've had their past. But that's just me but I trust the steelers evaluation and if they think Chase Klay Pool is a great pick. It forty nine. Take him if if there's something about they don't like anything someone else's better take that person that's better I'm all for it okay. This is how I feel as well explore man. I brought up a lot of your stuff today when connors healthy he's a top fifteen running back in the league and he's in the last year of his contract. So there's every reason from the ball out that's the other thing remember. We got a big boost in production from buddy PRI when he was in the last year his deal actually. There's more to that than I. That's an article that I'm going to have coming soon. About Tesla with with Bundy pre how he's got the sweetest deal of any edge defender in the NFL when you're going when you've got the best one in the league opposite of you and the Second Best Defensive. Interior Defensive Line Plant Lineman playing right next to you. Nobody's had that for a long time. And that's the deal that he's got so not only is he not getting chipped. He's also rarely getting double team so all we have to win a one on one match up and he can have a great great play. So I'm GONNA keep going. I know him real far behind. You guys aren't going to skip over a little bit especially if it skips ahead on me. So with the with things about wide receivers. I'm not gonNA bring up several different comments So what said if he were there and one of the fourth round picks? I've had a hard time passing on hurts to be honest. If he's there were the fourth round. I know I said. Don't take a quarterback in the fourth round or later but to me that's a that's a that's a guy that I would have pegged more for the third round so if he's there in the fourth I could understand that because I would feel like they're getting a third round talented the fourth so some some good stuff. Nice to see you back. West blesses out there working hard for while the rest of isn't he's out there driving truck the making sure goods are getting other places Getting the places they need to go so things can go on with us with life as much as they can. I know some of you other people in the in the in the live chat probably in the same boat and some of you might be on the opposite end of the spectrum but honor that specifically from west and I know I missed you on stat geek Tuesday night wes. 'cause I know you're probably out there working hard and we just. I'm just glad you could join US Saturday. Sorry I just felt like I needed to say that. So due to what Dallas says the move we've made should make us contenders plus still have the draft so we should be set. Yeah I mean I think the steelers are a great place to not screw this draft up just take. You don't have to go at once Pacific position and that's why I've been so anti running back is a is that I don't want the steelers to feel like they have to take any position. I don't think they need to go out there. Take what's best where you are and let the chips fall where they are. You're probably GONNA pick up you know. Of course they're going to look at some of these other positions that they need a little bit deeper. Of course they're gonNA look deep wide receiver because they always draft one game so it is just how it is so here we go can we. Frank web lives wants to know. Can we get to pick for BADS USED FINNEY PANTS? So I maybe I should talk bad into using the Finney pants for for a giveaway for the website. So it is what it is okay It's funny 'cause Dallas says. He likes moving lane to safety. I don't know that he's got the speed. I've got people that. Keep telling me that I people should the season's over telling me that we needed to move Devon Bush to safety. I'm like they didn't drop move after the tenth round. Pick to take a linebacker playing linebacker for season. Move to safety. That's not what they did. That's one two then. Who Else is playing linebacker? That's another good question but still we don't need to go into that right now. So my live chat. Just jump the bunch. So I'm GonNa see if I can catch up with you guys In these last five minutes here so I'm glad because you said not being political. This was some news this afternoon. I didn't know how much we want to go to it but said but the not being political but the president said he would like for the NFL season to start on time. So I put an article out about that like changing it now. Is it worthwhile? You should make your schedule one? Press on with your schedule and if something happens later on that makes you have to change it. Then change it when it has to be changed. You don't want to not move forward now and not be ready when if everything's fine at some point it's kind of like my summer vacation and I can't say I mean granted all supposed to go on a cruise in. May but we cancel that forever ago but just my summer beach vacation. My family goes on July. I'm not canceling my vacation. I'm hopeful to go Monday -cation but I understand that I might not be going on my vacation. That's kind of the mentality. I like with with the NFL. Moving forward Governing explore again. He's talking about Gilbert the third Olot and to czar skipper. That your depth pieces. Yes they are but are we confident in them as depth pieces. What happens if they're not I? Don't that's why I don't mind adding more depth. So we'll see I mean on sometimes positions. The steelers don't draft in the draft. And that they don't address in Free Agency tells us more about their confidence in players that we might not necessarily have so. We'll we'll see what happens. So this was where steeler fan seventy Ford said it. He said that he wanted the edge or interior offensive line at another. Whichever weapon is what he would like in the draft. I'm probably not even just that specifically the top spot which I could agree. Land says what does that look like if you reach ceiling. That's a great question. I don't know I mean he's a physical freak so you would think that he could have a very high ceiling. I just don't know that whoever played it at ceiling. I'm just saying based on his physical attributes. So it's interesting. Here's someone someone else brought this up before about the steelers trading for Jj Watt to have all of them on the same team. I I don't think that something that's realistic at this point. But I'll be honest with you. It could be something as he's getting a little bit older and and maybe not expecting such high contract that if he ever says hey when it'd be fun to go to be a free agent or something and go join the steelers and a couple of years just so we could all be on the same team go for it. I just don't think it can be in the cards right now. So so that's go. I'll see if I can bring up just a couple of Moore's I try to catch up to do so and it's so funny. Some people loved Mark Barron Mule Mule. Skinner said he's like I was never a barren guy. For one year lease some people liked lights Barron. Some of them don't This was George saying go trying to make an RB lover. I'm like I own rb lover I do. I love running back. I like the ones we have on I. That's that's just me? I think I actually got more from Benny Snow watching his film from last year. What I thought going into it is one of the big things and I just. I'm not we have them for one more year. Why not ride James Connor bus as long as you can if you can give us the time and remember people remember? I've said it so many times. Thirty two teams the NFL LAST SEASON. Only twelve of those thirty two teams had their starting running back playing all sixteen games. Twenty of them did not. It's what happens with the position. You're going to have guys out so West said something that we actually brought up on staff Geek. A Little Betty says feel strongly that we should draft another safety move edmonds to the dime backer role while we talk bounce. Tacky is if you want to draft the safety that you're not ready to throw in the starting lineup. You keep edmonds out there as your strong safety. Then when you go into some package then move move edmonds up into that time backer role and have the other safety come on in playing playing the other safety position to get them on the field. And then see what you have. So that's just one of those things. Okay so it's very interesting so the steelers could do some things it's funny. What would shock me? Might not shock you and what might shock. You might be like. Oh I wouldn't surprise me. One bit at the steelers did that. I'm my thing is and this is what probably it's funny. Because I'm I don't WANNA I don't WanNa get tied to a position and I definitely don't want to get tied to a name for the steelers at forty nine because when you do and it doesn't work out your left own. What are they going to do? I'm not doing that. It's crazy 'cause last year so many people got got tied on the name of Devon Bush and it actually came true. Which usually doesn't every other time I try to. I try to pinpoint a name of what I think. The steelers are going to do with the first pick they have. It hasn't happened. It hasn't happened so other than last year with the name being Devon Bush and what it took actually get because there was no way they were going to get Bush where they were and some draft. Mock drafts Adam. Even going there which would have been crazy so I think everything that the steelers added right now they don't they don't have to infuse a starter and that's a really good place to be. I know it doesn't mean that these guys they draft wouldn't have a chance to start but I don't I don't see that they have to start anywhere and that's a really good thing thing to be because some people were even saying. Hey what about you know? Couldn't an offensive lineman. Wouldn't you WANNA guard out? Guess what they could start. They don't have to. You've got was new ski. You've got filer. Could BUMP BUMP BUMP DOWN. If one of the tackles is playing. Well you've got other options there. You could say wide receiver. I don't know that they would start unless they come out and absolutely would have to. You know if you're going into this draft and every player that you draft is someone who doesn't have to start but if they come out and show that they're better than what you have. That just made the steelers a better football team. That's what happens and I think that's the situation. The steelers are in and that's exciting. That's really excited setting to think about it game Here's Wess. He says. Dave thank you you guys keep me saying. That's what I hope for a lot of you. All I love doing the podcasts. I look forward to him. I hope you look forward to them. You probably looks more forward to different. 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The Homer and Hater Show: Devin Bush's upside is something to get excited about

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The Homer and Hater Show: Devin Bush's upside is something to get excited about

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But when it's the two of us to homer and hater show Severi first episode Lance House a gun. What's up home or how are you? I'm fine I'm great. I mean it's going to be a fun show based on the headline because I just know that even in our text message discussions prior to the show. And Hey we're GONNA talk about. We already kind of getting into a little bit of back for Mike. Well let's just saving for this show because Joe what we're GonNa do this shows. We're going to have steeler topics as most shows We're GONNA do a rundown of the week that was in our podcast platform so that basically something that maybe he missed a show you want to go back and check it out and I have an interesting ending here for lands that I told them about and we'll talk about that the very end of the show so stay tuned but the headline of this episode is all about Devin Bush. You know it's funny. Everyone talks about Mingka's Patrick. You know everyone talks about making fitzpatrick rightfully so TJ walk. It's a lot of publicity as he should but I was writing an article for behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com and I was reading about the two thousand nineteen draft class and NFL DOT COM writer at the four AFC. North teams said. The steelers had the best two thousand nineteen draft class amongst all four teams. They were giving bleak B plus grade while the Ravens browns both got bees and the bengals got a C plus. We're not here to talk about the grades itself because as Lanson is said to each other before we went on the air. It is so subjective. And they've had so little time in the NFL. For instance. I was looking Guy Justin Lane. The sealer spent a third round. Pick on cornerback from Michigan State. Who did nothing but play special teams? So how are we supposed to greet him as a cornerback? When he saw absolutely zero snaps their So you just don't know but this deal you know like I told lands. It's the slow season when it comes to content so until March eighteen around the new league year gets here. They talked a lot about Devin Bush. The steelers number one pick and I sent lands. It's actually I think we should talk about his upside and land said what I have. No idea what upside is. And that's like the hater part of me because I know upside is so amorphous. Like what is that like? Does that mean I just have no idea when guys say upside? I mean because the assumption is never that guys it actually most players typically Cata stay the same or actually get worse in reasonable. Why say that is because you know part of the NFL is that guys? Don't play law. A lot of that is due to injury and so forth but guys get recycled because they aren't good players and so a lot of times guys 'd have no upside and I guess we're assuming upside. Is they continue to get better. That when you have upside your ceiling is fairly high. I guess with a Devon Bush when you talk about upside you're talking about. Does he have the potential to be the best inside? Linebacker national football league given the fact that he was a first round draft pick. I think he was what the second inside linebacker drafted last year after. Yeah after the The Tampa in Tampa Bay. So I guess we say upside I mean I guess that means Pro Bowler let all define it. Let me tell you what. Let me tell you. What my upside is you. We've seen it I I think with Brookies. Even if you're talking about potential upsides I look head if you can't have this discussion before. They've stepped on the field. A lot of people try to a lot of people. WanNa talk about projections for rookies when they've never even played a professional game in their entire career. I'm saying the fact that Devon Bush's played sixteen games in his NFL career which is not a lot we have seen flashes whether it is plays like I think about the interception in coverage against the Baltimore. Ravens a he is covering Mark Andrews. That was a very good play. The guy that made me say wow. That's upside for me. That's potential there are. Sometimes you see rookies. That don't even have those flashes for instance. Benny Snow Junior did he have those flashes that made you say wow any of them at all strike in two thousand nineteen now of course. Oh that's one of the things So for me. It's one of those situations where Devon Bush when I think about like upside. I'm not even thinking about long-term projections of pro bowl or all pro or the best inside linebacker. It's the steelers made an aggressive move. This is what I wanted to talk about. The steelers made an aggressive move from twenty ten last year's draft. They traded away a Lotta draft stock. In what are they? What are they getting for that? That's a good question there. Mr T. steeler fan. Says upside will be better than shazier before he got her comparing each rookie season. That's interesting lance. What do you think about that? I think so? I think so. I think it and I'm going to get killed for this when I say this in Indus- I I don't I don't feel like I'm forced to be the hater but I feel like naturally leftist. I say we'll be as being a hater. I always died that Ryan Shazier. It was overrated. I thought Ryan Sheer was a physical specimen. I thought Ryan Shazier physical skill. Set is what the position was going to morph into in a national football league. Being a lighter guy in the box with the ability to cover tied in to sort of be a will backer that will backer. That was a little more dynamic thing your typical wheel backer because of coverage ability but I thought that Ryan Shazia was off injured unfortunately got injured in a way that may derail his career forever. I thought he was an inconsistent tackler. But I think at his physical best his upside if we're defining it like you were saying Jeff was through the roof however on a play by play basis. I thought there was a level of inconsistency to his play that I did not see demonstrated by Devin Bush. I think when I look at the two in their rookie seasons there were things that Chaisiri did that. Were just like wow. Did you see him do that? There was some things like that for Bush. But not to the extent to me as Zere but on a play by play basis. When you're talking about being in the right places being more of a short tackler and just being more consistent I think Devin Bush will be the better player thus maybe he will have more upside. I agree with you. One hundred percent and I guess here's a question for you. This might put me on the spot here and it's not an easy question to answer if you were to say. Hey here's a that. I could see Devon Bush developing into I saw that comment by Elliott. Who's a player that's currently in the NFL? That the season veteran there. You say you know what we could actually see Devin Bush potentially turn into this type of inside linebackers or anyone that you think of or comes to mind that you're like if I'm trying to give you a visual of what I expect. Evan Bush if everything goes as planned if everything you're in terms of his overall preparedness in his development and all that stuff the naturalization process. Who's that cop actually as you ask that? It's not anybody currently in the league but it's a former gold jacket guy. A recent gold jacket guy. And that's Brian Urlacher. You know when I when I when I look at Bush. His physical his physical ability epic in stature there around the same size. I don't think urlacher was too much bigger than Devon Bush. Maybe about ten pounds different. Maybe urlacher was around to fortyish to forty five ish Bush's probably around two thirty five. You know in a to forty range. But their ability to play side to side sideline to sideline also their ability to cover. I think urlacher was probably maybe a bigger hitter but I but I think if erlanger put on the spot I think urlacher. I don't WanNa put the pressure on him to be brighter lacquer but I think he has the physical upside since we're talking about upside to be a dynamic player like in early lacquer. Hopefully he won't be as injured as Urlacher but I think the the physical skill set and using your definition in terms of upside is there. I think physically depending on all the other intangibles if he stays healthy if he continues to work if he continues to grow in the defense in if he's continuing to be put into positions where his physical capabilities can be utilized to their utmost. Then I I'm thinking Erlich see I don't. I don't see that calmed personally in. Everyone's entitled to opinion. I see more of a Lou keithly type because he's I think he's more athletic than or lacquer or lacquer. Was that old school. He reminded me of like the. You know the neck roll on that. He didn't have it. But you know the these the neck pad back in the nineties and stuff. He's used to have the neck pad. And all the big collared downhill does. Go and get you. I guess I expect and this is tough because expectations are different for everyone. I Expect Evan Bush. To be more dynamic was a great linebacker. He was a hitter. I don't remember him as much of a coverage DAK backer and unexpecting Bush to be more of that I guess. Is He struggled? There's a rookie. Not Going to say that but I look equally was more of an all around back a linebacker. I Guess I expect Evan Bush to be more of that ilk than it is a bryner lack reality. I understand what you're saying though. So we'll we'll see if he's either one of those guys. It's a good thing it notice we're about an IRC urlacher right. We're we're talking about. Yeah great inside linebackers. We're not talking about average guys. I mean we're talking about great guys why I would say another guy he might remind you of is Vander Esch you know he might remind ender ash in the two inside backers for Dallas who are two very dynamic physical. Guys that run sideline sideline. Is that Jalen Smith. If I'M NOT CORRECT. Who's the other inside the van your story now? I think he's in that mold to vander ash. I Love Your I love your compares into that's that's lacquer but to the out starting inside linebacker for Carolina. I love that Comparison a little bit better than in mind Unfortunately he retired. I think a little premature. But maybe not premature for him since he made a decision but Yeah I mean that that but that's what inside linebacker is starting to look like so you know with comparisons like if you've ever bought a house in real estate it's cops right. It's just common three Bagpipe. Math this four hundred twenty five grand so I could see where people are looking at his physical capabilities and trying to see what that matches up from a comparison upside potential with different players. One thing about keithly and the same thing that said about Bush keithly very cerebral as well and the funny thing about Bush. Bush might be better athletically than keithly. So Sky's the limit for. Let's talk. I have one more question about the inside linebacker. Since we're talking about Devon Bush. I just feel like it's appropriate. Mike Tomlin openly said multiple times during two thousand nineteen in his press conferences. How with rookies like Deontay? Johnson and Devon Bush primarily the need to kind of rein them back a little bit. It's a long season much longer than a college football season. And that you later. In the season Devon Bush was wasn't the full-time linebacker. He was kind of in their in certain spots. Let's assume they keep Mark Baron and they don't cut him for cap space. Let's just make that assumption right now. How would you see Devon Bush's role from year one to year two? You see him being in every down linebacker and if so who's playing next to me has to play every now we're talking about upside if you can't be at every down linebacker then There's issue right. There's an absolute issue so my assumption is if you take him. That high in. He played as well as he did in his rookie season. You hope that he grows in terms of what's between his ears and his understanding of the defense that he can stay on the field for three plays you know that. He's an every down linebacker In terms of WHO's going to be next to him I would guess it's going to be Itchy I would guess that is GONNA be Vince. Williams given where the steelers are from a CAP perspective. I think that Mark Barron is a player that could be a cap casualty. Were replete with Devin Bush. This year's rookie. Did you expect more kind of neutral on it kind of neutral? I mean I'm a guy that likes to give rookies times to grow. I'm sort of a check that with me after three seasons and we can give. There's a lot more female WANNA player. You can give a better accurate Breakdown of what the play areas and what is potentially could be I think is pretty tough after a year. Because I think it's actually especially tough for players in their rookie season at bust out in a really good in their rookie season. It's like where do they go from here? You know. How do you add to your game? If you had that dominant rookie season you know how do you? How do you add those different layers dimensions to keep you at that level? Freezing up a little bit lanes I think lands is first areas all right. We're having some technical difficulties with Lance. Let's get him out of the Stream real quick glance. You're kind of breaking up there a little bit. I'm not sure if that's just on my end or if that's in general will make sure he is all squared away. Fryer to bring him back in The next topic that we're GONNA discuss. And if you're in the live chat right now you can certainly talk about it. I'll go ahead in. Bryn bent. Says he's technically difficult. He's difficult on more than one way. All right let's see if lands lands you. There we go on are you there. You're muted there buddy. Get your On major microphone on the screen. They're lands believe or not I. This is our first episode. But it's not as first time using the software. I'm yes it's the word in the corner. That says on Mute. Shocker all right so now we have the next topic. Which is we're going to switch from Devon Bush and we're GONNA go to Kevin Colbert. Kevin Colbert spoke with the media this week and he talked about a lot of stuff He talked about everything from Ben. Rothlisberger his recovery. He did that so far so good everything that he's heard everything that he is. You know gotten from coach Tomlin as well as the medical staff is that everything is good right now. Now is next appointments. Five days from now this is being recorded on the sixteenth. That's the twenty first of February That is when you have a the next step for Ben Rothlisberger. He talked about how everything's good there he talked about how for instance he is happy doing year by year with the Pittsburgh steelers and he stated even that along as the steelers will want him to be there he will be there because there was some speculation that when he went to that year by year contract that you know maybe he was kind of coming to the end of his rope that he didn't really do that anymore and I think people understood that he's been the general manager for a long time dating back to our time in Pittsburgh that he was extremely excited more so excited this year for this upcoming season and last season. That's not that we talked about on the preview. Lance want to get your thoughts on his comments. He is more excited for twenty twenty and he is then he was for twenty nineteen. What are your thoughts on that? Don't those are weird for first of all his contract situation feels weird to me he'd Air Lance Yom there. Can you hear me okay? Garrett accentuation feels weird to me. Why don't you just signed a long term deal? It's not like if you fire the guy it's GonNa be a capulet. It's not like it's GonNa be dead money against the cap so that that seems weird in terms of him doing it year to year. It's I mean it feels weird. So that's my comment about in terms of him being excited. That feels weird to but I but I can understand it because they have to do a lot of work to get this team ready to to compete for championship and I can understand the excitement. There from the offensive side of football like there are some serious questions. You don't know about your quarterback. I think from a talent perspective at the skill position. There some work to be needed to be done. I think at the offensive line. This is a lot of trench it there. At a rare transitional spot to me on the offensive side of football. So if you're a competitor understand why he's excited to build this to try to build this and try to get back to where he feels. Steelers should be in that's competing for championships. I loved it. I loved that he's excited. I think as a fan base. We wouldn't wanNA hear him not be excited because you better be excited If you haven't made the playoffs the last two seasons I mean you'd better be chomping at the bit to figure out whatever you have to do and I think for him. Less is more for him possibly. He has to do a lot more with a lot less this year so I think he's probably in a weird way excited about that. Like how can I get the most out of this? Draft with limited amount of draft picks. No first rounders. I'm excited to really show the league. That really good at evaluating talent and I'M GONNA make this draft one of the best even though I don't have a first round pick so I get where he's coming from. Yeah no I totally understand it to me when he talks about being excited for twenty twenty. Yeah more so than twenty thinking about what happened in Twenty Nineteen Antonio Brown Richard. Gummy gummy richards gone. Mr Thirty Fifth Gone But Negative Rob Latium Bell gone and so already on offense. You're losing two of your biggest playmakers and so you're still thinking okay. We're GONNA have a younger wide receiving corps. We still have that offensive line. Ben Rothlisberger GonNa be there and it's one of those things where you look at the the steelers now on twenty twenty and you have albeit a couple more proven commodities. James Washington showed a little bit and see doesn't nineteen. I think that obviously deontay Johnson showed a lot. If Ben Rothlisberger can come back and be healthy but especially the defense in twenty nine hundred nineteen. The defense was not what it was Oh I should say going into twenty nineteen. It was not what everyone thought it was going to be until we talked about the MINKA effect. And when they got Mak- Fitzpatrick everyone. Things seem to think that you know. It's IT'S INCREDIBLE. How one person can change defense but the stats. Don't lie so I'm kind of interested to see how this draft will pay play out A. We've talked off off air before about how we're kind of can we've convinced ourselves. Day should be going offensive. Line that second pick and the oftens line is where they could kind of transform this offense you want to speak on that a little bit. I if you guys have listened to my yeah I said it's over the last couple of weeks and I think this goes to what daddy is. Kennedy is saying about Dynamic Offensive Weapons and we've talked a lot about how it it's key to score close to twenty eight points per game and sort of have a point differential of about eight to ten points in how the passing game is where you win. I think in the National Football League. Now yes but all of that starts on your offensive line. If you're offensive line is good. You can be anything offensively. If you have a quarterback you can be a pound out team. You could be a passing team. You could be a play action offense you can be any type of offense you want but it all starts up front and I think there's a point where they have to make this offensive line as good as it can be because I think we saw you know an passed several years when he offense of line was very good. And of course it helped to have Mr but naked and Rob Mr Third and Fifth Aka Mr Comey Richards in all the other cast of characters but that offensive line was much better as well and so. I think they've got to get that offense of my back to humming top five in the National Football League status and then we can see where it goes on the offense aside football. I agree one hundred percent. So let's see how that plays out. Now let's go to our rundown and looking at the episodes podcast in the past week and like I said you might want to go back and check out if you missed. It gives you a little bit of our glimpse into those as well as our takes on the topics discussed in the headline of their shows. We'll start off at the steelers hangover. The ED show is going to be transitioning to the STEELERS Q. And A. Brian. Anthony Davis antennae diffused. Said they would like more of a free flowing free for all style show and so they'll still be a topic that they're going to discuss right off the bat and after that it's kind of your show they're going to get to it. Live chat and Brian. It might be a little little for talking about bad he he might actually be Hanover from the weekend. He might we don out. But anyways on this episode of the hangover they talked about how they believe and lands. I'll get your take on this that the positive strongly outweigh the negatives for the steelers. Heading into twenty twenty. This is looking at the entire team. Events offense everything he combined. Do you think the steelers positives outweigh the negatives heading into twenty twenty. Did they what what particular positives did they did? They name defense was strong obviously David went to special teams. Chris Boswell's playing kicking back in the two thousand seventeen form compared to eighteen Jordan Berry Sucks We know that They just talked about the offense though and in how you know you have a wide receiver like deonte Johnson. James Wash and you hope. Juju Smith Schuster comes back healthy And then obviously Ben Rothlisberger another are some negatives. The offensive line didn't play as well. James Connor gets hurt every season They couldn't run the ball. They didn't score even twenty eight points in the entire season so they weren't all positive they just said today today feels that the positives about this team outweigh the negatives heading into next season. Well in in light of the name of our show the homer in hater. I'm going to disagree. I I don't think there's not the out on. The defensive. Highlights are bright enough in positive enough to hide the fact that there are offense in transition. I don't think they have in the running game. I I think. All the backs are average The offensive line is aging. You have a quarterback going into his seventeenth year with A. I'm not even GONNA say Tommy. John I'm GONNA say Ah Bob Jackson arm injury which is coin it with some name because they won't say. Tommy John You you have a team. That has some cap issues because said quarterback count seventeen percent against the CAP. And your backup quarterbacks are they don't give me warm fuzzies whatsoever so I would disagree with those guys I think at best. It's probably even. I would agree with them if we knew. The status of where Bin was from a health perspective but I think not knowing where bin from a health perspective. I don't think the positives outweigh the negatives. Because if he's not healthy. It's a wrap your right and we've talked about that before. I do think that the positives mainly on defense. Because I just don't see a lot of weak links on the defense. We know that can make up a lot like you said it all comes down to Ben Rothlisberger Health. And that's going to be the ultimate in my opinion that's going to be what's going to sway in one way or the other from contender to pretender is going to have been on one person. Then you will see In the twenty first is what about three days away now? Twenty first next Friday next Friday. Yes scary so check back with us on. Yeah I said it yes. I said it You know I WANNA see. Beng throwing peanuts considering. He can't any foot barring any row. It hit throw anything. Except people under drove IGA. Throw Beerbaum balls. He could be throwing cornhole bags. I don't care. Just let them throw something so we can get a gauge as to. What's going to happen? Twenty twenty so all right so then the Tuesday show. Disco Field was joined by a special guest. Kevin Smith who is also known as Cliff Harris is still a punk. Who's a writer for behind the curtain? Dot Com very educated does a lot of film room breakdowns for us. He's very very good at what he does. He writes one Article Week. Typically runs Tuesday or Wednesday may talked all about the running backs and the question on hand and Lance will ask you. This question is should the steelers. Look for one stud running back or should they take the running back by committee. Approach something that I don't think they've ever done in my Tomlin's tenure. Although Smith MR SNER DID DISAGREE WITH THAT. He said that the year they went with. Isaac Redman. Jonathan Dwyer and Chris Rainey was the closest thing that they had and they were running back by committee approach and it was bad. It was not good but that was so your thoughts. Do they need to go out? And get a star running back. This is assuming that you don't think the James Connor is that start running back or is it running back by committee in two thousand twenty. What's the famous you know? I'm the cliche killer if you guys don't know but what's the Cliche jet when you talk about? When you have two quarterbacks if you have to quarterback you don't have one what is that cliche. Yeah when you have to. You really don't have one. Well okay well if you have three. Let's just extended to running backs. I mean at some point I mean I hear running back by committee but I think the talent has to be better. Like like you're GONNA do running back by committee. I I think the assumption is you do that because you don't have as the back but how about having a couple of good backs if you're going to do running back by committee have better ones than the steelers I mean. I just don't have. I don't have confidence in any of the back so I think the easier approach is to have a stud in impacts that complement. The Stud a third down back you know. Sorta win. I just just you know a good lead back a good backup in a good situational back pretty easy how you find that. Guy. I don't know but no I don't have confidence in the back so I would rather have a very good back into situational backs a back to catch it out of the backfield so on and so forth I really I mean they were much better. I mean when they had Mr Buck Naked Rob. I like that approach. I don't think they're going to add to the running back depth chart at all this season. Here's the way I'm picturing it. You can agree or disagree. Let Me Know James. Connor is going to be the guy as long as he's healthy. He's the Guy 'cause that's Mike. Tomlin does whether you like it or not Tom. Legs have is one guy nats guy. He's a run the wheels off and we talked about that Ad. Nauseam on these episodes now second is the backup is going to be Benny Snell Junior. He will be the guy that comes in and spells connor. And it's going to be. Maybe that that depends on the you know how much how they decipher the Labor there. That's going to be up to the situation and the health of the players all that stuff. I think you're GONNA see here's Jalen Samuels and if Cara White makes the team they're going to be used in specific settings and situations they're not gonna be any in any type of running back by committee where it's their series go in. I don't see that happening. And that also to me makes both of those players expendable meaning if they do get a free Asia running back even if it's a guy on the cheap or if they do go out and draft a player one of those players is deemed expendable because they were not going to be in the plans as well. So that's just the way I see the running backs shaking out this year. I don't think they're gonNA go running back by committee. James Connors their guy until he gets hurt again and sadly unexpected. Let me ask you this. The way this is sounding the only the only prominent free agent or not free agent the only prominent addition to the offense as it stands right now before the draft would be the return of Ben Rothlisberger right probably. Yeah if that's the case is the return of Ben Rothlisberger alone enough to get them back to The year that the year before he got hurt. Twenty seven points per game so they would have they would have to add they would have to average not basically nine more points per game to get the twenty seven is his mirror addition enough to get them to that point or. Let me ask you this. How many points is been worth to that offense per game? I'd say lease a touchdown so touchdown get him to twenty times to touchdown. Okay now it'd be right about where are expected to be anywhere from twenty three to twenty five game in the if you look at the defense if they can keep off twenty you win. Games is going to be close. Yeah that's the steelers at this point. Yeah unless you're playing natty they're not gonNA blow anybody out. You know what? I'm hoping that it's twenty six more sodium twenty three That that field goal differences big in terms of how many close games at play? You know that gets you possibly to possession leads late as opposed to one whereas we've talked about it in the past the way the Pi is called it a national football league. You put yourself in position to lose every game when the rest make bad call. So we'll see so it's interesting that you say Ben is worth seven points. I hope so I hope so. Ca Seven points to get them close to twenty six. I could. I could see that that. That doesn't seem farfetched to me. When you say that were the reason I say. Seven points and a touchdown is based on the fact that I watched last season. And how many times were the drives just completely stalled in the red zone or turnovers in the reds? And I'm not saying that Ross burgers and prone to turning the ball over. We know he can be. He's also smarter in the Red Zone when the field gets short and can make plays and there were times where Rudolph and Lord Dot Com which is literally knew that they weren't going to solve the equation and they were going to have to settle for fuel and that that was the offense and twenty nineteen having rothlisberger brings a different different element to the offense. So I think it's worth a touchdown I really do so. We'll see if that plays out moving along. The Standard is a standard. Go check out our show from Wednesday. We're not going to rehash the mink of his Patrick. Talk about does he need to do more. Now is hinting at his comments. Made at the Super Bowl about how he wants to be. More of a Swiss army knife moved around the defense more so go up. Check that out. We talked about on that same episode weather fans appreciate Ben Rothlisberger in on the steelers preview. We tackled that topic a lot and it was probably the majority of our F first episode was based on that and I know you watched it and call it the Dan Le Fast and I get it. I understand that you don't like that. I Love Ben Rothlisberger. Yeah yeah that's true. You hate him. You can't stand him so that's fine the time we don't need to talk about that we don't need to talk about it again but the one thing I do as he was. I don't hate one of the after party. Tavist I WANNA ask you an after party that we discussed and this is a the after party is a second podcast that we run. After the preview that starts talking football and then we kind of just go wherever it goes that led us to talking about old school. Wwf wrestling this past week. You'd never listened to that. You like crazy off the wall stuff. We've talked about. How LANAI TAG team against Bryan and Dave would be a very entertaining match in Lance? You mentioned it on your show. How you're going to be thrown. What did they call the? What do you call bricks alley biscuits I learned when I was living in Atlanta? They used to call bricks alley biscuits. So yes I would have alley biscuits stuff to throw in. There is The razor in my trunks. I'd have all that stuff to brass knuckles. I would not fight fair because I think as big as Dave is. You might have to hit day with a bat to trash. Cans BRASS KNUCKLES. Yup Any re- thing. I told him I said if we're doing this match. It's an old school match but the the skirt on the rain where you can go into the ring and get chairs and all that stuff. Those are always fun. Doesn't match all you WANNA do a hell of a sale or we just talk about old school. Helen sell roles cage where remember the the cage was just around the ring and it was an open top? Which when he talking about open-top? That's old school right there. You can jump on Top. Yes you can do the snooker leap from the top of the cage. I saw him. I think hit by back with that. And I've been Bob back out no way so well. I want to ask you about the after party. The the question we started the after Party with and Daddy says he should join the after party. One time. That'd be great The after party question was is there been a player in the NFL. The you've ever watched alley. Apples preserving employer the watched in the national football league. He said Man I would love. That guy was a member of the steelers. So never played a snapper Pittsburgh but just always had that steeler field to him. Is there any player that comes to mind? Yeah Yeah there's a player that comes to mind. Nothing you know still fans might be upset when I say it But a player that comes to mind for me was a guy in the division. And that's Mr Deer. Antler themselves Rayleigh Man Ray Lewis just he imagined Ray Lewis as that Ray Lewis plan for the steelers man. He had been deified in Pittsburgh statues everywhere and he'd have just been in the long line of steeler. Great Linebackers Lambert Lois Ham. I mean he'd have been great as a stealer even awesome. Imagine a defense with him and Troy Paula. Malo in the same defense and have been crazy. That have been crazy watching him. Just go nuts and kill people. Oh my goodness well. Let's let let's not. That does. Excuse me loops me. Let's not get into the The Atlanta situation with the white the white suit. And all that stuff but yeah. It's funny you say. There was a division rival actually went in division two. I know that day said Michael Stopped. The fullback was always a favourite is odd Stanford and Anthony Davis said Brian. Anthony Davis said ROB Gronkowski. He's put that right in on his team. I want to see what that would look like and that's dangerous. I said I went with the fun route. Because if I'm writing articles about the team and I want someone that's interesting but fun and I love the way I love this guy. I really did I Love Shadow. -Ture Cinco Man. Chad Johnson was Jericho to me. I you know what he was playing dangles. I thought he was so he actually made the game. He brought some some. He just made it lighter. You know it wasn't so serious for him he sent i Taylor Pepe Abysmal before the game. You know and I asked the guys on the show I said. Who's the last player that you can remember the national football league that just joked around with the media? You know the just had fun playing a game and they could think of anyone. They couldn't think of anyone because it's gotten so serious and so crazy with the business and the money they're making. I get all that I said. GimMe Chad Johnson. He'd be great for the website he'd be great for the PODCAST. I love to have on the steelers if we could go around again every troy palmolive on the same defense get at tandem. Ever how about this one? I guess it's the one well you know me. And clicking how about this guy for the steelers derail and he's from Pittsburgh whip these aliquippa so that that have been nuts so to sizzle would have been not for the steelers to sizzle. Would've been nuts on the field as well out. I would've loved to have sizzle. Plus been might not be hurt right now with sizzle hadn't hit him so many times So sizzle would have been great on. The steelers consider was funny to like sizzle fully embraced the whole rivalry in sizzle. Brought it. I mean since O'Brien every time out when he played the steelers and steeler fans could appreciate Lewis and sizzle because they play the game physical fashion. They gave their all. And you know just hearing Ray Lewis say the steelers were overrated after been threw six touchdowns against them. It was just hilarious. I'm like dude. He threw sixty S on your head. How are they overrated? It's fun to talk about that type of stuff now. The last thing on talk about because the other shows Lance did he. Yeah I said it and he talked about. What was your topic this week man? I'm not sure that was Friday. I had a lot of proper number twelve this weekend. L. is now those. Actually those actually Thursday you recorded on Thursdays. We have a little bit more time. Go back and check his. He is said it'd be still burning questions. If talked about Antonio Brown on this show but I the last question I have actually doesn't involve football your sports guy. You're a baseball guy. I want to get your thoughts on the Houston. Astros cheating scandal thoughts that being a former baseball player. I played baseball probably from about seven to about eighteen American Legion pony ball all that stuff trying to walk on in college. All that stuff played tons of baseball. They really cheated. I mean we stole signals in high school and we had ways in which we can relay signals but it was during a game when didn't have a dad regal at an auto on illegal but we didn't have code breaker and all this stuff. What impressed me the most about? The Astros was that they were laying signals on the road. Like how do you still guys signals on the road? They were beating trash cans like war. Drums I mean it's really bad and I'm old school. Baseball Dude It's Chin music. All Year specially. If I'M A divisional team I'll is. Tim Uses Sweet Chin Music every game all the time. If I was an onerous say look man. We'll pay all your fines. All your eyes will go to charity. Hopefully that's how baseball does it. But don't worry it won't come out of your pocket is Sweet Chin Music all season and I'm not one for taking championships but man. This is about as close as it gets and hearing Korea. Defend out to vase said out to. They didn't cheat he didn't really want like look out of here. What all that your word is trash and I feel like manage should just be a trail of tears for him for the entire season. That guy should be getting pumped every game every series all season. Like you. Just gotTa take it for this year and you know. Hey you want to cheat you gotta deal with the repercussions and I'm old school. I'll be thrown at them guys all the time especially Al too. Vague Korea in some of those guys are man every day with get it they get one behind the head ears bouncing up a man it would just be. It would be really bad. We would go after those guys every series every game at least the first quarter to seize. Yeah absolutely no doubt man. I look I played as long as you did I was a catcher all through my from the moment the kids started to pitch icons I graduated and I got a couple Couple colleges looked at me. He didn't have the major. I was looking forward so I decided I didn't play. I played Lacrosse in college still I played baseball until college. And as a catcher you understand that science stealing signs is not illegal. Good teams do that. They steal the third base coach signs. They find out what the indicator is on their signs and they can tip off players for they might become in or they're going to do a hit and run or they might be trying to steal here and you you call it pitch out as it's a chess matches the inside game baseball. That's why people say that they don't like baseball is because they don't get it. They don't understand the thought process of you know run around. I to to count. What is the pitcher thinking? What are they GONNA do here? They're going to run a fastball. High and inside to try to get him swaying. Are They GonNa go away as a catcher like because you have to be that type of player? That's thinker. That is the reason why when a catcher knows runner on second you go to whatever indicator you want it could be I nine third fourth put down of as many as you want and that says they can't steal the sign because there were teams that we play even in high school and we were very good team that they would tip the cap process. Jersey tells you what pitch is coming. That's not illegal man the stuff they were doing. How do they absolve the players? But I'm saying Redick I don't get that at all it's we did. You Got Guy Mad at us on you. Got Managers Getting fired losing jobs the players are just like just another start of a new season is just absolutely ridiculous. You know what my indicator would be when I played the astros if I was the opposite team it be boof on Google. That would be my indicator that would be my indicator. My indicator might be my middle finger. Like you know what's coming. Let me indicate this you better duck because guess what I'm going to bring somebody in that. We can get suspended because they're like the twenty eighth picture that we don't care in. His job is going to be to throw at certain guys just flat out like like absolutely it would be all school retribution it. There's limits to cheating. You know famously. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying that mean there's this difference than than than having vastly on the bid so you can get extra snap and spin on your breaking ball. That's different than what the Astros were doing. I was as I've learned more about it. I was like wow. These results aren't legitimate. These are not legitimate hitter at the skill of out to day. If he knows everything. That's coming you're going to get him out still 'cause it's baseball but it's going to be a lot harder it it's GonNa be a lot harder. He's probably going to hit above three hundred against you easily. If he knows what's coming I don't care who you are. He's he's going to beat you. Yeah look at the splits. These astros players had home versus on the road. Now you said they were stealing signs on the road as well but it weren't as concocted is a word home and that little that little tiny ballpark that they have there in Houston with that Short Porch in left field. But it's one of the situations was like holy cow. They're hitting four hundred at home and they're hitting one thirty on the road when they get to the play offs. Oh my God. This is so blatant. All right. Do what it says. Come on lands. They'll be letting that hate. Lee Hit to hurt guys now. See Baseball can baseball football. You take care of stuff yourself. You know it's one of the situations where you say you know. What a an even in high school if I was if I was catching and I put the middle finger down. We're brushing the guy back or hidden and that was the school. Because that's the way you did it. If if they're going to run if they're going to take our best buy for. We played a lot of rivalry games in high school. And there were times where they would brushback our best player. Well guess what we'RE GONNA do to. Your best player. Better be he better be ready. Just yeah I mean they have to deal with it. I mean sorry. I'm not as sophisticated as some of the listeners. On the live chat. I am for Manchester. You know I am from the north side so we just have to deal with it that way. I mean. I'm a guy when I was managing in high school. I was a high school coach. I mean I got into an argument with the guy because I because I thought his team was cheating was that were is yelling. And he's his parents yelling and he's doing side and he's doing signing away where you could tell he's pissed and I'm yelling at him and he can't hear me and I can't understand sign language. It was absolutely hilarious because we both could understand each other. In Umpire's light look man. It's about six o'clock. I got hot dinner on the stove. we need to get this done so it was pretty bad. I mean I I will admit I had. They were stealing base. They were up like maybe seventeen or nothing and they were squeezed bonking stealing and stuff like that and I was just livid and so yeah I told my guys start brushing dudes back start bouncing breaking balls trying to hit guys throw Behi- heads all types of stuff step off. Never Pitch Oil was bad. It got really bad. That's my shining moment. As a baseball coach. High School was that I had an argument with the death guy. Great Allie was awesome. So deal with it if you hear that story. You know I'd be saying point guys if I were the dogs and I don't like the dodgers. I'm a giant fan and a pirate fan but I hate the dodgers. I hate dodger blue. All that corny stuff dodger stuff is terrible. If I were to dodgers would be a plunk fast it will be applying fast fast wants hysterical dusty Baker. The manager is saying that he wants to Major League. Baseball sent out a memo to all teams that they shouldn't be hitting the astros players. This season you know what dusty. You weren't a part of that number one number two you're in charge of hitting Andrew mccutchen repeatedly when you were the manager of the reds though shut up about don't be hitting my guys when you went out there and hit the pirates best player for years for years go get Outta here. Dusty Baker now lead was. Brian O'Toole say Lance probably also causes little ladies to church. Yeah I'm competitive. I'm probably probably cheating. I mean you know I mean hey hey look I mean I cheated in cards. I've cheated monopoly appeared in most games. You know because I was always trying to win. I you know most things. I've cheated in But that is beyond just cheating. That's beyond the typical cheating. Ain't trying limits in baseball. You understand in baseball. Like that's part of the game cheating is part of game of baseball. What they were doing. It doesn't even do the word cheating justice I mean. They absolutely altered their results. I mean they really how we can get into a whole. We could do a whole hour on this. Probably because I don't really feel I signed stealing in. Its natural form is cheating. You're you're you're using the knowledge that they're providing you're using the yourself. It's the same as when I was a you know I've always had good speed. I stole a basis. I would sit on the bench when we were a bad and I wasn't up and I would watch the pitchers feet and you just watch his feet over and over again and when he is going to go to first days or if he's GonNa commit to home you knew the tells and you were able to get a jump. That's how you say you're a good baseball. I watch Ricky Henderson. He did it and so that's says I'm taking information that they're providing and I'm it to help myself and my team. I don't think that's bad. You know what to kind of wrap this up. Snowman brings it full circle back to the steelers. He's he's enough of the baseball dog. He puts five dollars in the artist. Who's the front runner for the wide? Receivers coach look. I only have gone off of reports. That are out there publicly We know that last Sunday we thought it was going to be Brian. Mcclendon of South Carolina. Then jury Dulack of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette says hold on. There's other players better than other places. Other people being interviewed one of them being Jericho Co Autry. We talked about that on Wednesday now a week later. Brian. Mcclendon comes out and says he's GonNa stay at South Carolina so everyone assumes that if it's just between two players which is Jerry do like also said that keep saying players two coaches people then you would think it's Jericho contres job. I don't know we'll see that's all we know right now so there. You hear the word Jericho. I just think of walls of Jericho. Jericho and I'll we'll enter. This thaddeus couldn't agree more pirates apart. Great ballpark any ballpark. That you can get a fish. Sandwich Perot Geese in the same nine innings is great. I played infield. I played all infield positions except for first base. I played second or short dead. People Bring Barry Bonds Time Pittsburgh then. That was a long time ago. That was a long time. I mean I'm actually probably one probably maybe actually saw barry a ton In three rivers. I saw him play more than more than once. The through. Movers that ninety-one ninety-two team was still my favorite team. Ever see then. You started liking him when he started using as well so that you're out and he's just out of his mind chomping juice yes. He was so big I remember sitting in and I remember it. Well there's a funny story. I have these stories not as funny as Brian. Mr To him bad But I have a funny story about when they lost to the braves To go to the world series me and my brother out at a club drinking and when the game was over we thought it was still too outs. And we're telling everybody. Why are you guys leaving his only two outs? And everybody's saying how drunk are you to game is over? We were like really. I was so smashed like I just. I didn't even know the game was over but watching Barry in left field. He was so big he couldn't even cross his arms like he just looked like a tank and he was he looked so inflexible as as a as a leftfielder. He didn't look like he can at least throw but he used a mash in San Francisco in mccovey cove. Hey dakotas to hinder for never going to Al Team and being a designated hitter. He did Guan's Zand. He did go on yield which I think qualifies you as an actual baseball player. Sell Mr T. and so Mr T. Steeler Fan one twenty. Two Heinz Field is where three rivers used to be. The pirates. Baseball stadium is Kinda like directly your parking lot. The parking lot share that that PNC park in Heinz field share is where everybody needs to be in Heinz next to PNC on the other side. Yeah but it's like yeah it's real close you can walk My Gosh look at the list name Orlando merced. Said that's pirate get at ear. Sweet Oakley glasses though. Here's my favorite. Ezra Wounded Andy Van Slyke my all time. Pops was my favorite pirate as before my time before pops lands anything else to save recall the show. No I don't another good one jeff. Another one in the books. Yeah absolutely started for the technical difficulties earlier. Hopefully stuck with us seem to be rectified. Now macy's check out Brian. Anthony Davis and Tony desio tomorrow. Monday for the steelers. Qa that's right. He's a no. I changed it. He's GonNa find out soon. I gotTA call it so check him out. It'll be a crazy free for all with him as it is what Jeff Guess. I'm a teed up for those guys tomorrow if you have since it's a it's a QNA. If ASK BRIAN ANY RANDOM STEELER FACTOID. Or ask him any random steeler questions and I guarantee you. He will know at least eight out of ten. I'm telling you like pull stuff from all over in just quiz him on the show and you guys will be freaked out. That he probably will know all. He's he's pretty good. He's pretty good absolutely so but yeah as trivia ask them questions. It'll be fun so check that out. Lan send us off and as always listeners tune in tell a friend and subscribe Amen. We'll see you next Sunday for another episode of the homer in here show.

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Steelers Preview: Is Diontae Johnson walking into a lose-lose situation with the Steelers?

"The Pittsburgh Steeler fans. Welcome back to another episode of the Steelers preview. I am Jeff Harbin editor of behind the steel curtain dot com with me as always the I guess we can call them the riffing do. Oh, I don't know. That's not doesn't really rioted. They're angry at each other. They got into an argument before we went on the air. It's it got ugly. I mean, there is name calling. Threats were given I was trying to the entire situation. But I bring him Brian Anthony Davis BAD, we know what that stands for so Brian. How's it going? Hey, really good. I love how the the the mohel just become a mountain. Jeff reports. Just fishy. Got with this. That's true. It was in joining him is, you know, the his I guess you say villain since you guys are big comic book people. That's the president and charter member of the Deontay Johnson fan club days. Go 'field. How's it going? Dave. Why do I put myself through this on Thursday nights? You once labeled? This is your one of the favourite one of your favorite parts of the week. And yes, you guys started behaving in. I'm not even gonna say. Gracious come on doing quite well. Heart. I went to my children's recital tonight because there wasn't a good movie on. So I very I'm feeling very good lease a little bit. All right. Come on. All right now, I doing still we have some needs to talk about not a lot of news. And then we're going to get right into this Dion Johnson talk because not only is Dave super pump to talk about him. But also because that's who were previewing tonight. We we're going to go through each week where preview one of the brookies. We might get sick and tired of it. And just lump the last day three guys together either. No. But these I you picks I believe they deserve a full episode. And then we're going to do something. We haven't done after the stack eeks egg -ment, we're going to open it up to questions a lot of times people I've gotten emails have gotten YouTube comments about hey, I wish he has a do QNA's in other shows. Besides my burning question, which aired last night, you check it out if you haven't. And we're going to do that we're going to obviously allow you guys to ask us questions. We'll debate those will answer those for you. And that's before either or segment, which is wildly popular. That's what I hear says began. Let's get into the news. The Steelers did make some news recently. They've signed seven of their nine draft. Picks whip d do the only two that remain unsigned our number one draft pick Devin Bush, and I believe creek me Dave helped me out here. And you know, who is who else is missing its Brian's guy. Lane. Oh, yeah. Justin lane lane. What's up? What's up sign? The contract. You know, signed on that dotted line. I think they're trying to get them all done by rookie minicamp, which is here. And we'll talk about that briefly. But other news Dave was very upset. And he was texting feverishly couple days ago about this discrepancy on the Steelers roster how they're ninety man offseason roster was inflated. I mean, they had so many more people and they had to make cuts and he's asked my Ryan she's year in the reserve list and the pup list, they finally appeased Dave Scofield and release two players today. One of them. I was kinda surprised that mccranie was the kicker that came in last week last year he kicked for the team in two thousand the week seven teen of two thousand eighteen kicked the game winning field goal. Everyone thought. Hey, this kid might actually be competition for Boswell. Yes. No, not going to happen. Brian Davis ask you this. I what were your thoughts. Did you think macrame was actually? Gonna get a competition or what I didn't realize you still on the roster that be on. Well, you know, what I actually they did they didn't sign him like rightly January fourth or third or something like that. But it was nobody was paying attention to it. Because that's when they Antonio Brown hubba allu- came out. But yeah, I'm kind of surprised because they said they were gonna give him competition art Rooney to just came out the last couple of days in made a comment about the kicking game being under-par, and so many levels. So he kinda thought that they would bring a guy with experience in and a guy that kicked really well against Cincinnati in the on December thirtieth in the season finale, but you know, they have to make room for guys. And I am just two guys or safe. Jeff you're going to be glad to hear this. Ralph Webb stave Brogan Robak is safe. What about Frank web is brother? He's on the team. Right. Frank. Frank tank way back to dragnet, Jack Webb. Hey, that's a good Frank. Dave your thoughts on finally getting the roster to ninety that's ninety one. Jeff you've been saying ninety man roster forever. They have an extra guy because they get to carry the gone counting scholar Williams and he's from England. I got the wrong his his last name's our country, and you're from a different country. It's confusing. But anyway, now this another down to ninety one they weren't ninety three. I knew that. There was people that must not have come across the transaction stuff. And I thought you actually cared about these things kind of thing. So I learned my lesson there. Mentioned. I I wanted to say about Matt McCain a not surprised that he was cut. That's who. I thought would be cut. I don't think that he had the leg strength, especially to kick in tougher conditions in the AFC north what I think this tells us is that they're undrafted rookie free agent that they signed they are happy with. He's a rocket scientist at. So him in. Josh Dobbs should actually has some good stuff to talk about. And. Yeah, he's he's one of these really really smart guys had a really great career there UCF. So there's your competition. So in other words, that's that. Two. Matt mccranie, like five foot six feet tall to give back to him. I don't think his physically would be at a kick the ball that far. He did the job in week seventeen. But there you go. Now, the other news is Brian. Brought this up in Brian go ahead and tell our Rooney the second spoke, and what did he save up in Rothlisberger? You know, he, and this is something that we've all expected, but he said that Ben came to him and said that he wants to play another three years, and so that's pretty much the reason the contract with shape that way. So that's the goal, and that's the window. Now, we know for sure on on for sure, but we believe for sure. Yeah. You told me that on the air as well cited to your extension. He's got three years left. I was soon he'll fill out he'll play the rest of that contract. But I always ask myself if let's say one of two things happen. We'll ask you guys a US thing. If one of things happens if he has a an injury that is considered more on the serious side or he wins the Super Bowl does been still fulfill the three years or does he hang it up? Dave will go with you. I would he all continue to fulfil his three-year agreement or would he just walk away from the game? That's for Ben to no ending ya'll's. Asking your opinion on it really depends on how the Steelers do over the next two seasons. If I think if they win a Super Bowl in the next two years. Or if he does have any kind of significant injury or if he struggles with any kind of head injuries, even if he doesn't miss much if any time that's going to be something for him to consider where he might not live it out. Let's simplify the question if they win a Super Bowl this year. That's the tough one is Ben come back. That's that's. Yeah. He does. You know, why? I'll tell you why tweaking it to four he wants Bradshaw. Yeah. They hate each other Tate each other. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. So there's a little bit news there. And there's gonna be more news coming up as rookie minicamp in OTA start soon. The veterans will be showing up. I saw really good headline at didn't get to read the article by Marco Bali, the ethnic basically, saying don't trust anything you read from rookie minicamp because it's just the rookies out there. There's no veterans the coaches are just really molding pieces of clay, so to speak with the the rookies, and he referenced dri Archer who I remember was like a polarizing lightning rod in rookie minicamp because his speed, and he was just so allusive. Well, the they're not hitting and they're all rookies. And then once the veterans showed up, you know, what happened there. So the rookie minicamp is about to get under way. Brian what you think? Don't give up on your. He'll he's gonna be good. I'm telling you. We are still waiting for show up in New York. I think for the jets. All right. Speaking of quick little wide receivers. We'll talk about one from Toledo who was drafted in the third round with the Steelers so action, and this is all comes down to the headline of this episode. They used their pick that they got in the third round from the Oakland Raiders Antonio Brown, and they selected Deontay Johnson with that I served round pick. And he is automated in probably not fairly going to be compared to intending Brown in every single aspect. They both can't come from MAC schools. Similar size. Similar skill set. Similar speed not a lot of hype surrounding them coming out of college yet you see ton of potential, and so Dave you have some statistics from college. You wanna compare Johnson and Antonio Brown when he was at central Michigan. Go ahead and spit those out just. Yeah. I felt that making a comparison tanto Brown was fair because they were both coming from the same conference. Although, you know, you are looking at it being nine years later, but it's important to realize that Deontay Johnson did not have nearly as good of of a senior meaning his last year his junior year there as he did as a sophomore as a sophomore. He had seventy four receptions, twelve hundred seventy eight yards and thirteen touchdowns. But his junior year you only had forty nine receptions seven hundred sixty one yards and eight touchdowns. But the biggest factor behind that was the quarterback. He had when he was a sophomore was Logan. Woodside who was drafted in the NFL by the Bengals, but he ended in the seventh round. But he ended up being who they say could possibly been MVP of the af if they wouldn't have folded under. That that he actually had a pretty decent quarterback. His his last year. There's junior year he had two different quarterbacks. I'm I I'm not sure Jack Lew if it was due to injury or do the performance or what? But he did not have the same people throwing him the ball. But what I did lose a highlight it they're the biggest profile gain that that both players had. When they were playing in the MAC and that was for Toledo played Miami. Both years I looked at their in two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen and that's Wendy Johnson, really really really shined in two games. Four touchdowns. We touchdowns when in a senior he had six or sections one hundred nineteen yards in two touchdowns. So against the better competition, supposedly he really stepped it up. There's a good numbers in pretty interesting stuff. Brian. We've had some time. Now, I think two weeks to this pick marinate, what are your thoughts about the anti Johnson. If there's any statistics you wanna throw out there. What exact you know, where do you? See this kid fitting in. You know, what I agree with Dave that it's a lot of pressure to put on him when you're comparing him into an Antonio Brown because of where he was picked because he came from a MAC school because of his size, but the bottom line of the whole thing is the Steelers were not looking for six three guy. They were looking for a guy that fit their system. Even if the Seahawks hadn't traded up and David I've talked about this offline before I still don't think to picks before when Metcalf when off the board from old miss. I still think Steeler nation would have gone crazy when they still would have picked you onto Johnson over decay Metcalf with that pick this guy kind of fits what they want Darryl Drake the wide receiver. Coach knew exactly who this guy was knew what was going on with how much Tampa Bay loved them. And they scouted him. He came in for a visit. They he's everything. That this team in their scheme wanted and thought was perfect. So I that's why it didn't take me long to turn around on the pick. And I know we give we give Dave a little for it. But he's turned around on the pick to it was just instant reaction. We want everybody wanted the sexy pick. Everyone wanted blonde hair chase win of each from the Pittsburgh area. 'cause they knew his name. They knew who he was they wanted Metcalf. They wanted guys that they know who they are. When you hear an anonymous guy, you're in there's other names out there immediately. You're like I wanted that. And one of that guy. Why are we getting this guy have never heard of? And that's the problem. Sometimes you do really well when you're thirsty with giant eagle brand Kula instead of coke sometimes. I mean, gosh, no. I mean, this is blasphemy. But sometimes you do okay with hunts over Hinds to you know, you don't have to all. Always have that brand name. This guy's not a brand name. But I guess what he will be in so many of you two years ago, Jeff at I not included because we talked about this right away. We loved it. You guys were pissed Steeler nation was pissed when juju Smith Schuster came off the board to Pittsburgh. They didn't want the guy. But it's just like what stock like, you know, how like only one hundred thousand people went to Woodstock. But a million people say that they went to max yeahs form fifty years ago in nineteen sixty nine all these people like a million people or said, oh, I love the pick. When they said jujubes name, we won that guy. You didn't hear of the only way you possibly heard the guys if you watch the Rosebowl watch some torch Penn State, that's how you knew who this guy was. But if you follow it in the if you follow the draft like we do a lot of you and Steeler nation. A lot of our our our readers and the people that listen to podcast they follow the draft. And they know who. These guys are. So that's the reason this pick was somewhat controversial because they wanted that name. But I tell you what. The way he looks on film. He fits fits that profile. Perfect. And Dave said something huge his second season. All those numbers. Logan, woodside. That's fantastic. They have to lesser quarterbacks in there that weren't getting these guys the ball. And there were other talents receivers on that team. And it just didn't shake up as well. But this guy was the best on the Toledo team as far as wide receiver, and he's going to really opened things up for this offense. So I love this pick once again. Yeah. Yeah. You watch the film, and I agree. A hundred percent he does fit the system and my question. My next question for you, all is where does he fit in this offense in what are the expectations that you have in your mind for him? Because we're we're Phaetons we want we do podcast very articles and were considered probably part of the journalistic or media community. But at the same time, we're fans, and we can openly state that we won't have to hide our fan hood, Dave will go with you first. What are your expectations for Deontay Johnson as a rookie? How do you see him fitting in it? He plays playing over. Go ahead. All right. Well, I was going to do. Little melt. That. You gotta remember no Steeler rule. Rookie wide receiver as ever hit a thousand yards ever jalousie would get suspended drop ably. And he was suspended against the made a mistake about that. Because he had the ninety seven yard against live in the lines. It was the game after the Bengals did play the lines right after the Bengals. That was the first time they played the bad guys. A second time they played the Bengals play the ravens next from us. But you actually does hold the record for the most yards by rookie. Do you know who has the most touchdowns as wide receiver by rookie this? I was going to do this and sad. Geek, I'm just asking. Now. Look, what's that Brian? You gotta slips. Yes, he had nine gifts. But you, but you've got to remember. Yeah. That that doesn't mean anything who was the highest drafted Steeler in the last twenty five years of out of everyone was plexus bursts. How many touchdowns did he have as a rookie say one zero gonna zeros he doesn't just a rookie only two hundred some yards receiving a rookie. So we've got a remember even even that. I think the Johnsons going to do better than that. So, but we have to remember that. Oh, wow. If he only has two touchdowns in the first half of the season. Oh what? No. He's not a bust. He's not oh, he's only got five hundred yards. No, he's doing great. Don't set the expectations too high. I think he's gonna do great. I don't know hit the ground running the way juju did will just have to see. But I I also don't think we need to pigeonhole him into the slot. I think he's going to be an outside guy. I think he's the extra Seaver for the Steelers. Okay. So you're hold on. I know Brian USA's on the let me ask David good question. You're saying that he's going to start over Dante Moncrieff, and or James Washington, assuming that you issues jury is going to be on the outside and not in the slot. The meaning that's that's the position he is going to eventually end up in doesn't mean he's going dark this year. But so many people are like oh the Steelers are so crowded at the slot because juju can play the slot. And you got Switzerland. You got Rodgers. He was not they didn't draft him to stick him in the slot. He can play good. He actually why not have as many versatile receivers as you can that could play anywhere. I think juju is going to be your y. And I think eventually he devante Johnson. He's going to be the Antonio Brown. It's going to be the X. Okay, brian. And even sitting there you run as on the head. You know me. Well, you know, here's here's another thing. When she who was a rookie. There were different circumstances. He had to come in and play you had it before that lions game. Martavis Bryant spouted off like crazy 'cause he didn't like what happened in Cincinnati game. And he got suspended because he didn't show up to work. I don't know if you remember that. But it was on that Monday or Tuesday after that lions get after the Bengals game. He didn't show up because he was pounding actually had his girlfriend call in. And then his girlfriend was spouting off on Twitter. There was so much drama. And then it took him a while to you carb's way out of the doghouse. So there was not as much depth at that time with that wide receivers stable, so he had to come in juju have come in and play. They had no choice to throw him into the mix. They don't have to throw Deontay Johnson into the mix that quick they let him marinate. They let him learn the system they have other players that could play it's gonna be a neat battle to watch him against James, Washington and see who fits that system better. That's we're going to find that out. We might find out that they like Johnson over Washington or or the opposite of that. But they don't have to push him in. So you can't compare. For him to juju Smith is rookie year because it's completely different circumstances. And hopefully, they don't need him. Right. Exactly. And a quick sidebar is Jeremy foul reported today that James Washington is entering his second year with the team just like so many other players before him. The Steelers got to him in the Aussies and said, look you need to lose some weight. It's not always about bigger and bigger stronger in the NFL, it's about being well conditioned, supposedly he's lost about ten pounds. He slimmer. He's faster. That's import James Connor went through that lady on bell went through that. There's others have done that as well. So keep that in the back of your mind. But my last question here before we go to stack easy about the onto Johnson is the headline of this episode. And that is do you feel that Lisa's rookie year in terms of fan reaction? He's entering a lose lose situation. It's really simple, Brian. We'll go with you. I is he going to be a lose lose because of the comparisons Brown because of the. Because the pick that was used is he in that type of situation. Go ahead. Yeah. Yes. But he could he could borough was way out of it. But I think he is I think there's too much on him right now. But we'll see what kind of what kind of character he has. And I think they studied this guy. I think he'll pull out of it. But there's going to be some warming up time because we are fickle fans. Absolutely. What about you, David? He think. I'm going to give my answer. Like what Brian said last week to me with the whole thing of Devon Bush being able to live up to the hype is that we've over hyped him. I think our expectations are too much. And it's our job to remind everyone. Throughout those those Plaxico Burress touchdown numbers. The fact that no Steelers rookie has ever had a thousand yards receiving. I I don't think he's gonna lose lose. In the Steelers is I think just there might be too much in the fans eyes. And maybe when they get a bit of a reality check that. I mean, Brian some that are perfect with the whole situation that juju was put in. But does every fan realize that that's the thing that just going to want to come in and say, hey, I want another ju whereas he that's what happened to James Washington last year. I think a lot of people had those expectations and James Washington. He's he's such a nice said king of Colbert. But he he really is just just a good guy and easy to root for. So they've got I I'm excited about the receiving core. I would just like to see any of them step up. But I don't think he's in a lose lose. Because I think Brian right? They're not he's not going to have to be called on to be a superstar this year on the funny thing is I guaranteed. He went up to random Steeler fan on the street who's wearing the garb. And he said, hey, what do you think about that? Onta- Johnson pick a a lot of them. Probably would know thing about him be a lot of people probably think that he's a second round draft pick. Because he was the Steelers second pick a lot of people probably think that he's a second round pick. He's not he's a third round draft pick. And there's a reason he's a third round draft pick. And it's because he went to smaller school, and because of the competition he played into me. There's a drastic difference between a second and third round pick either that their ground take essentially 'cause it was so early from Oakland is essentially the late second still. Like, you said started to remind everyone. So I thought the word that will very good job. So here we go. Date realized I did really actually give the comparison Tony Brown college. And I give you the Johnsons. I'll be honest with you aby had more catches his last two years of college. He just didn't have as many yards as the Johnson. And in his big games. He had a game his sophomore year against Georgia at his junior year against Michigan state. He had one total touchdown in those and those two big games and never cracked a hundred yards. But he didn't have he did have ten catches for seventy one yards a touchdown against Michigan state in a game that central Michigan one back in two thousand nine but that was that your Michigan state was. In the thing is too. Sorry. They got. Yeah. That that. Their numbers are somewhat are somewhat comparable. But like I said aby probably had more receptions in all. But when but. They Johnson had more yards per section. The thing about what can I go? Yeah. Go. I'm sorry. You know, he was in the anti Johnson was in a trio. There was a talented trio of wide receivers. They're I don't know what kind of teammates Antonio Brown had around him. So they were distributing the ball a lot more to other guys that had decent numbers. I believe Deontay Johnson had the best numbers of a mall. But that's something that you know, that he have to look at their too. Because maybe you had a superstar Antonio Brown at central Michigan and three guys calling for the ball here. Toledo for me Yuna MAC play. And Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin. We're both just glowing about knack football. Well, because they took so many of them, and they have in the past the quarterback play is where I put the big delineation between prospects. Because when you're having let's say Ohio State receiver in half. Is the quarterback a Haskins was the first round draft pick, regardless of where he went he is at least going to be more skilled than who's throwing the football. Antonio Brown news at central Michigan or to Dion Johnson when he was Toledo and when you put them on an NFL roster. And now is the hall of fame quarterback. Ben Rothlisberger thrown in passes. My gosh. I it's I I would think that it would be easier. There's going to be a higher level of expectation, but you're gonna turn on those routes, and it's going to be the ball's gonna be right there waiting for you. And you just gotta make the play. And so it would be really interesting to see how that pans out. So one one last quick thing, do you. Remember who in Tonio Browns quarterback was his last two years at central Michigan. The hint is he was drafted fourteen picks a head of AB in the same draft. Who is he drafted by? He was. Oh, I didn't write that down. I can't remember. I don't know. Who was it? I can never say his name, right? Dan lefay ever. The fever. Yeah. Yeah. It's all it's all French spelling. But yeah, that was that was ABC's quarterback both his sophomore junior year. So he had a quarterback to withdraw higher than he was. So he had probably what would be deemed better quarterback play at central Michigan than what deonte Johnson had it. Toledo. 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I do real quick over under these aren't Vegas numbers. I made these up, but I'm gonna keep track of these. And we'll come back and see how they are. They paying out in the future. It's gonna be I only have a few of them. All right. I the number is two point five number of touchdowns by the Johnson and his rookie year over or under. Four so your Bryant Brian going over I over as well you're saying over, you know, what I'm going over as well. From say three. Yeah. Which would make it over. I'm not I'm not gonna make you stick to a number. I just going to give you the over the under-. All right. So we all have him going over having three or more touchdowns. All right. Let's let's do this. Let's look at Devon Bush eight as the number of games started his rookie year. Right. You know? It's it's it's funny. We did this on the Tony night did this and we. Listen to your thing. I I'm not I'm not accusing him. But we put the number ten, and we actually we predicted ten so I'm going to say the over over. I'm gonna say over say sixteen. I think he starts from day one. I think Brian Tonia right on with ten because the Steelers have six games before their by week that if I had to bet I would say I that would be the most likely narrow, but I would be shocked off these starting week one. The discipline sidebar here think back to TJ watt TJ while it was drafted the end of the first round, I know years, the pedigree, and he's got the motor, blah, blah, blah this draft, Nick terms, and he started over James Harrison from day one over James Harrison, Devin Bush, they traded up ten pigs gave away a lot of draft capital. And they have basically vacancy at the position talk about Mark Baranov, you want the guy's gonna start from week one. I just don't believe that they're going to not start this guy. I will be stunned if he doesn't start for week one. I think he'll play a lot. But the question is will they specifically not start him because he's a rookie. I think that's more likely there. That turning away from that. They look at tro Edmonds last. Was out in the city Edmonds was out of necessity. They did not want to start wasn't TJ show. But that's the exception. Not the rule shave here. Shay's penciled him in the starter that moment they drafted. And they and they actually than said later that they felt that that was a mistake. Well, so. So, but they're they're they're going to they're going to pull it back more than what the fans want them to. That's just my opinion. But I think a lot I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. Okay. All right. Let's let's look here at rookie minicamp where they're actually going to get on the field tomorrow. The number is point five, you know, like this number of rookies that aren't under contract that have tryouts right now that get a contract after aqui minicamp. No words is going to be any rookies. It's basically think they're going to be any or none rookies that are that are tried out. Now that aren't under stricter free agents that are just try players. Do you think they will have any that? They then bring to camp. Under. I'll take the under Zia don't think they're going to have any. Okay. What do you think? Brian. I'll go the over you'll get over. I think I am too because they tend they've usually done right. You know, what's usually been? There's been remember what time it was too. But I don't like RJ prince last year was a tryout player that then made it everyone knows the story of the other guy from West Virginia. Garvan? He was a guy that was not he wasn't even under strict your agent. He was rookie. He was a mini camp tryout guy that then made the team. So so we'll see what happens with that. That's fun to watch a right here, we go. I don't know if Brian checked out, Jeff Jeff, and I had a joint article came out Monday where we projected the fifty three man roster. I have a number of one point five the number of players that that either one of us projected to be on the fifty three that end up on the I R before we go on. Did you catch me? What was the over? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One point five players projected on the fifty three man roster that will end up on the I R before the season starts. I'm gonna say under over over big last year. They had to not as Gerald Hawkins in. What was it McGee? Jake McGee wasn't that tight end mckee's was questionable. Whether or not they thought maybe he could knock off grim, but they weren't sure. But then he didn't even get the chance to knows this not as before training camp z. I'm gonna say over hope under. I hope I'm wrong. I'm. I'll get over you. I know I will pretend the ships not sinking. Because I am the king of wishful thinking that I'm gonna say under. Sorry. Yep last, but not least Jessica this. This is going to just go to be a little bit of. Why did I come up with this number? I'm gonna put the number fifty count number of fifty s the number of defense of not special teams defensive snaps by Artie burns in two thousand nineteen. Oh my gosh. If it's not under there in some serious trouble. They are some serious if there's injuries ahead of him, and he has to play more than fifty snaps. God help us all I'm gonna say I'm hoping praying under Brian. I'm going under. I'm gonna go under as well. Now, the reason I picked fifty is because something happens where he plays an entire game on defense. He's got it that would that would give him more than fifty snaps. So in other words, we're all say we're hoping that Artie burns does not have to play a full game on defense. Just think about all. It would take is about four snaps the game on defense for him to get there. Going record dated already. Hardly any. I don't think it's going to be on the team. That's another question. If he's even going to be on the team. I don't think it gets cut. I could see maybe getting trade trade. But we'll see what happens. So I'm gonna keep track of these have other ones, but I'm saving for another time. I don't know we're gonna do this every week. But we're gonna do this every once in a while. And we'll keep track of are over unders and then see how they pan out. So like, we'll know about the rookie one by if not next week to week after they signed any of those guys. So there we go. Okay, brian. I have a question for you. And for you, Dave, and I'm asking Brian. I if at team approaches, you know, let's Arizona because they seem to poach as many as they can from Pittsburgh. If says we want to give you a six round draft pick for Artie burns. It's training camp. He's not doing horrible. But he's not gonna play that much you pull the trigger on the DOD keeping. You don't only pull the trigger. You say. Yes. And hang up the phone. So they don't have a chance to change their mind say, you're saving you'll take a six rounder for a first rounder, technically. I'll take a seventh rounder and a case of a case of Bush, light go rolling rock, and you got yourself a deal. Now, I know. Dave, what do you think fix rounder forty Burs? Go problem is the the way that a lot of Steeler nation is viewing burns right now. They feel that they would have to give up a six rounder in order to have another team take him from them. So if you were to get one back sixes tough, I would take six they probably like a five I think a lot of depends on their health Kamata camp. You know, they're all healthy, then they should move them. If they even get one juror, then you probably want to keep them around just in case. Yeah. Okay. This is something we're going to do now that we haven't done on this show before. That's we're gonna open up the live chat to question answer session. If you have good questions, we obviously. We'll address them. But I do want to mention that. If you knew this show, they do this on my show if you wanna use the super chat feature you can. And what that is when on your device, whether it's a laptop or whether it's a phone go to the chat little the bar where you can send in a message and users a little dollar sign. You can put any amount of money in a highlight your question, we will guaranteed to answer it, and that money goes the show. So you don't have to use it. But at the same time, if you really want your question answered there's a lot of people asking questions, you can do that even just for like a dollar, and it will highlight it, and you'll know your questions get answers, so right away night wolf who's been in the chat the entire show. He wants to know Bryant first because he wrote this article for the website. And that is he wants to talk about the draft of the Baltimore Ravens, especially he wants to know. Thy enemy is how he saying it, we'll go real quick Brian. What are your thoughts on just just gloss over the rest of the division in, you know, think about Ed good? Draft bad draft indifferent. Whatever. You know, what I thought Baltimore had a very good draft for what they needed. I was surprised that some pundits went ahead and put them lower than what I rated. I rated them having a pretty good draft. I love marquees Hollywood Brown what he can possibly do for that team. He's going to be absolutely electric on that team. They had some other very solid picks in the fourth round. They got the running back from Oklahoma state that was possibly looking at. They were they were mentioned in the same breath is this guy, but they went with Benny snow junior as well. So I they were fine there. But I really like what Baltimore did. I thought it was a decent draft. Cincinnati. I thought it was a tire fire. I thought that was one of the worst drafts I've seen a while. I don't like anything that. They did they reached for a tight end in the second round, which really they pull. Him. He was predicted a lot lower. But I mean in the week it'd be accused of doing that as well for different players, especially in the third around us that we will accused us reaching. I just hated Cincinnati's draft. Schorr? They got an offense of linemen highly rated lineman in the first round. But really just not a great raft for that. Team the Cleveland Browns, they didn't have a lot of draft capital early. They did I feel like they gotta steal with getting greedy Williams where they did. Because I rated greedy Williams pretty high. They got him with their first pick in the second round. And they also got another guy that fell they got a guy that could start right away for them at inside linebacker and Mak Wilson. So I thought Cleveland's draft was pretty good. I think John Dorsey is one of the smartest guys in the equation. When we're talking about general managers right now he came from the chiefs you saw what he did there. And I like what he's doing in Cleveland. So I would say that the three teams the north did very well except for Cincinnati. Okay. I love Baltimore's picks thinking they have a quarterback. They can throw the football. Personally, they run the ball every time, and you're gonna draft all these receivers and hope and pray that the quarterback and make the throw, but I like the picks and Joe, Dave what are your thoughts? Quickly before we get some more quests. Yeah. Super-quick the biggest thing with Baltimore's. I felt like they didn't do enough to address all their losses on defense. He fends very they drafted good players. But they also did not get as much of what they needed. Otherwise. I felt that the Steelers did pretty well with that. Although they, you know, a lot of people like to safety I like this undrafted free agent safety that they picked up out of Texas. Cincinnati. At a lot of stuff that didn't quite work. You do realize that the tight end they took was what would have been the Steelers pick in the second round that they traded to Denver that then Denver traded Cincinnati. And and Cleveland said didn't have many high picks. But I think they filled in some things nicely as well. So other than when it comes to addressing with needed. I think Baltimore came up lacking with their. But what they got was pretty good. Yeah. Super Felicia says it didn't have a question just wants to support the show. We appreciate that. They using that feature Isaac says Jeff explain again why you don't take calls anymore. Look, there's a long story. But Brian was on the show back when we were on the blog talk radio side of things and be take phone calls, and we would have a couple of people that decided to have a little fun, and they would call in. And it was really the same guy. He would even use like a block number, and he would make a lead very legitimate star to his statement common question, whatever. And then all of a sudden just derail and it would torn turn very strange and graphic in not in a suit of not in a safe for work, man. We'll put it that way. He called him Brian here. Call on with our show. Yeah. He he did in. It was actually it was actually racially inappropriate. He was just sexual. No, it was it was you. And I. We're on it. And it was. Yeah. We he was cut off really quick as you anticipated. What was going on? So it didn't come over to bad. But he was cut off right away on the hang or Tony. And I we still take all's everyone's in the season, we take all. We it's still a chance for you to call an interact with us, and we have some great callers that. You know veto again. Good evening, gentlemen. Well, legendary. We've got Ken from jersey. We we we what do show in jersey with so many fans in jersey, and you know, we've got Nick in Marietta, Georgia. So we've got some great colors, and we'll we'll take calls on blog talk as well. So yeah, I mean, we look into I had a producer. They would actually at a screen the phone calls prior to that would be different. But as of right now, the live chat is a perfect way for you ought to communicate with us, and we appreciate that vodka drinker. He's a regular on her show him. Get ahead kids. F you've got five kids. Do it. They should be asleep. He drinker use the super chat feature says I love the Browns hype. It'll be that much better. When it collapses. I don't know. I Joe Thomas in Simon wrote this article came out and said that he thinks they're going to go five and one and the division this year. Splitting with Pittsburgh. I'm gonna say three in three because I think this team is as vodka drinker puts it on the verge of collapsing. They've rookie head coach. They've got Baker Mayfield who I'm still not sold on. They've got OBI Jay. And they've got Landry in those two guys are best buds. But when they're taking the footballs away from each other, that's a different story altogether. Looks good running game. Their offensive line's still has awful. And so I don't know how is gonna throw the ball from his back, especially with how many times a Steelers sack the Browns. What was that number? Dave something like what is it? They average eight AXA game like last three seasons or something every time they play them. You should know that all the exact member close to that. It's it's something crazy like that. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I think I'm trying to catch up here with this is why you use the super Chad feature. If you're in the live chat because I guarantee wins the questions I'm trying to catch up. Okay. Someone asked Freeman about the backup run. Backs. What are thoughts on that would be Jalen Samuels and Benny snow junior question for you Brian expand on a little bit. Do you see this being running back by committee, or do you see this being just a you're gonna go one James Connor needs. Spelled. Exactly James or is the guy. Look he he did better than all of the rookie running backs in total yards last season. The problem was he lost about four games at the end. He would have been a thousand yard rusher. I'm glad he was recognized as a pro bowler last year. He still is the guy, but they're gonna spell him more. I just don't think they're gonna let the wheels runoff them. Like they did before. But you're gonna give these guys and opportunity, especially when you have a guy like any snow junior that could be your short yardage running back in in those situations that you might see him get a few more calls and let let Connor get arrest. Dave. I think Brian's pretty much right there that it's it's not going to be strictly by committee. But I think they're going to use all three and they're not just going to. You're not going to have what you've seen in years past where when you look at the stat line, and and you look under rushing there's one name. I don't think that I've I think that time needs to be done. And I don't think they have to do it by Dr I just think that every once in a while you can give give Connor a playoff. But I still think he's going to go over fifty percent of the carries. Okay. That's interesting. So some really the questions I didn't want to spend a lot of time on this because we're trying to shorten the show a little bit streamline things so to speak and so. As a good show. I thought and so this is the time in the show where we we kind of detour away from the footballs. I if we choose immigrant are either segment or either segment is basically, we talk about anything we want. We've talked about music. We talked about the inner believe it or not we talked about movies. And obviously we have talked about football's. Well, now, Dave you said that you had a great one this week. And you said that I don't even have to do on this week. And that's fine by me. I don't have to so Dave go ahead with your award against started. Hey, I'm Spencer hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan nanny. I'm Jason Kirk. And we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script onto riff on what that means. And basically what I mean is. Every tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. I did this Jeff Hartmann style with the candy. I had to go bracket because I just could not. But I'm combining two great things. I'm combining music and television. We are doing the bracket of best. Tv theme shows are sorry best TV theme songs there. Dave. You're back in good Pacers. Yep. Here's the deal. It's there was a couple of criteria because there was just so many couple of criteria that I did the break it down it had to had lakes. So I cut out all the instrument ones that could be for another time. I also made it that it had to premiere at least ten years ago. It could still be on actually two of these are still on. It will be nice to see if you guys can figure out which ones they are. But I got Jeff bracket and Brian bracket. I split them up. I actually seated them, but I'm not gonna tell you the seeds unless you really wanna know him. And I have a couple of play in games because I had to fit them in. This also includes cartoons. So I'm gonna start with Jeff I'm going to give him the crappiest. Once. I ready you go. Anna maniacs versus saved by the bell. I still can say the animated songs, I'm gonna go. The enemy. Okay. The Jetsons versus Dawson's creek the Jetsons. Okay. That you're. Yeah. That's your that's your to play in games. Brian to play in games. The monkeys versus the wonder years. Wonder years Joe cocker? Love the. Okay. Here's your other one W K R P versus the big bang theory. Well, you know, what that that's pretty tough. You've got the bare naked ladies. And then Steve Carlisle who took the WPA theme to number sixty one not a lot of people know that. But I am a huge care p fan. I'm actually I care p page, and I've gotta go care p. All right here. We go here. Jeff. Here comes your bracket. We've got animated axe Gilligan's island. Really? Upset. Okay. The jeffersons versus duck tales. The Jefferson Jeff you say Jefferson's or jets Jefferson's moving on up the jeffersons. No k. Mr. Rogers versus the Addams family, Mr. Rogers, k and dukes of hazzard versus love boat. Just the good old boys. Choice. Yes. That's okay. There's one region. Here's your next region. Jeff. Oh, yeah. The Jetsons versus the fresh prince of Bel-Air fresh principal air every word. Yup. What about the part that wasn't on air that was actually part of the song? Not familiar. Gotta go Google the whole song. You don't know. Okay. I don't see. Here you go family ties versus the Flintstones. Good the Flintstones. Really? Oh. Match up. So I can I I'm okay with that one. K thank you for being a friend, golden girls versus Laverne, and Shirley Lavergne, surely mainly because of Wayne's world when they did the scene from. And then we saw. Okay. Full house versus different strokes. Full house. Yeah. Suck heart. You know? Hey, hey, we will. Full house was the two different shows was the seven. I tell you what I'm a huge. I love that theme song. I could sing it. All right now, I'm not going to. But I had a buddy. We we would. Hey. Move. But anyways, we would doing game playoff games. And they would score every time we sang that song. Well. All right. He wonder years versus cheers. Oh, gosh. As as much as I love wonder years. I'm a huge tears guy. Gary porty sang and wrote up song. Yep. That that that that was the one seed just, you know, Greenacres versus who's the boss? Oh, gosh. After Greenacres ready. Growing pains family matters. As long as we got each other EJ Thomas beds. All right. And here we go. I'm going to be interesting to see how you go with this one because my wife, and I see this differently friends versus welcome back kotter. Okay. Both of them went to number one. Twenty years apart as much as I love the Rembrandts. And I love friends. It's it's a great theme. But welcome back kotter. Perfect. Hang on. Exactly. I mean, it's set up the show perfectly. Yep. Hey, you're trains will your ticket out. Dave. All right here. Here you go your eye. You have some tough ones. Here's your w k r p versus three's company. Oh, come and knock on our door. Come on what? Now, the guy who performed and wrote that song was the guy who wrote all of your favorite Sesame Street songs jewelry Pozo. Lovech AARP, but I've gotta go three's company. Founder stand. So here we go all in the family versus Brady bunch. Wow. That's a toughie. I gotta go with on the family. Yeah. All right. This already mentioned this one sesame street's versus bosom buddies. Oh, gosh. You've got Billy Joel in the mix. My life was buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your best ever. Actually, I I gotta go me. And I want to go Billy, Joel. But it's too conic Sesame Street is to iconic ad meant to not just my generation. But my kids. Yep. And Sesame Street and the big bang theory were the two shows on this that are still in production of the big bang theory. Only has two more episodes after tonight. All right and your last one Beverly hillbillies versus perfect strangers. Beverly hillbillies. Yeah. That's conic. So all right. Let's go back to let's go back to Jeff and we'll zip through through these get your champions animated. Say I'm disappointed step-by-step on here somewhere. The time. I knew I was leaving out something at times. I had some other good ones. Go ahead. Sorry, like the facts life wasn't here either. I do that. But anyway, animated acts versus the jeffersons. Maniacs. Wow. You really like I just love it. As I was was that again, Mr. Rogers versus dukes of hazzard digs hazard. Okay. Let's go ahead and finish out this region animated experts dukes hazard digs hazard. Yeah. You gotta go with that one. Almost you almost had the nine seed coming out of that region. Here we go fresh prince verse Flintstones, fresh prints. Okay. Laverne surely versus full house. I'll go Laverne and Shirley, okay? And fresh prince versus fresh prints Vernon hold on. I was frozen for second. What did you say fresh prince of Bel-Air? Okay. Now, do you wanna do you wanna go ahead and go to your championship? Do you wanna do your dukes of hazzard versus I prince or do you wanna take him out? It's gonna be fresh prince. It's got it's gotta be fresh prince. Okay. Hey, you go. Hey, brian. We've got tears versus Greenacres. Chairs. Thought so growing pains versus welcome back kotter. Welcome back. Kotter k three's company is all in the family. Three's company. Sesame Street versus Beverly hillbillies. Sesame street. All right. So we got cheers versus welcome back. Kotter? Gosh. This is going to keep me up at night. Your name. I'm gonna world and I'm gonna shock my wife family. What? Horrible. No, it's not we got three's company versus Sesame Street. Three's company and then to go to the final. Welcome back kotter versus three's company. Welcome back. Welcome back. Kotter? Welcome back kotter. Even comes close to fresh principle. When it comes to being theme song and the catchiness of it. And how everyone knows every single word. Jeff. I agree with you on this one. We all get vote for the championship with fresh versus welcome back kotter. The Jeff's gone, I prince Brian's go in. Jeff's, right. But screw screw that. Just right as much as I love. Welcome back. Looks like our champion is going to be the fresh prince of Bel-Air. There we go guys. I I know problem with that. But. That was good. What have you done? What's here? What have you done? What year? Years years. Sprint would have been in the final. Yeah. And that would have been close closer than welcome back kotter. Cheers. Maybe it's just me. But I love them both. I mean, that's like trying to pick which of my kids. Cheer for me. That was the only one that I would have considered ever fresh prints out of Brian side. That's good. Dave. Little. I mentioned to you mentioned two themes there, you mentioned two theme songs. Different strokes in facts of life written by the same husband wife duo at the time. What's funny is you mentioned the show that this man starred in zone. Alan thicke. Wrote and performed fact of life. Well, he wasn't the woman's voice. But he was in the background, and he also wrote different strokes and performed it. Piece. Yes. All right, Brian. Do you have one or are we just orient? Yeah. Actually, we do. And just this is a quick one. We have kids, and you know, they leave stuff around the house and one of the worst things to step in. Would be LEGO. Yes. But a lot of us have pets. So in the middle of the night. You're you have to get up for something you're walking out. What would you rather step in? Would you rather step in dog poop or would you rather step on a LEGO appointee? Lego. I'll step on I step on the LEGO. Instead, I just think that's the pain is temporary. But that dog poop would be you have to clean it off your foot to clean it off the carpet carpet. The car I'll view a little bit of pain for a little bit. And. What about you? Dave. I think you answer that about perfectly because as much as a LEGO what hurt the pain is temporary. The smell is not forever. So I would I would much rather be not having to clean up everything else that goes along with stepping in that and plus that'd be scared to death because I don't have a dog. All right, Brian. You know what? I mean. I usually like disagree with you guys. Just disagree. I can't hear. No, I step on the LEGO the pain go away, but I will bring up three times breakfast just to make the kids feel bad. So I'll tell you what that was a great eater or segment is different. If you stayed up. We'll listen in watched all this. God bless her soul. We appreciate it. As always we appreciate all the people that support the show, whether it's just in the live chat with us the super chat feature or whether you just share it. If you tell your friends about it like, we really do appreciate it. May she falls on YouTube? Gotta be TSE sealers radio. Subscribe like share? We appreciate all of that as well. As on all of our audio platform. 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Steelers Stat Geek: Plenty of challenges await the Steelers in Preseason Week 2

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Steelers Stat Geek: Plenty of challenges await the Steelers in Preseason Week 2

"The pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode. The steelers stat geek. This is dave scofield from behind the steel curtain coming at you to talk about all these wonderful steeler things we have going on and and some not so wonderful steeler things we have going on is great. We have football to talk about. We've actually had a game on the field and numbers to discuss but it just wouldn't be right to start the show and not mention the passing of coach drake. It was a shock to the team. It was a shock to the steelers community. A lot of people still don't know how they're going to continue on and how they're going to handle everything with with loss of such a great man. I've i've heard so much about his character. Even before the he was lost to us on saturday night or sunday morning <hes> it's it's just a sad time. It's just it really is but the team was back out for a short practise today because it was shortened by arraign and <hes> it was probably better that it worked out that way because it was tough for them to get back to it. They cancelled practiced sunday. They move of monday's practice today tuesday when this is being filmed but coach drake is going to be missed with coach tomlin's press conference today. He said he didn't even want to discuss about what they're going to do to replace him. It just doesn't seem to be appropriate right now there some reports with some various things that are out but that's just not what they're going to talk about now so coach drake we love you. We miss you all steeler nation does and hopefully hopefully the team can go out there and put up some wins for you this year so let's just move on to some football because <hes> that's just kinda how things go that sometimes we just have have to have to keep moving and those of you that are here and if you watch last week show that we talked about some numbers going into the game against tampa uh-huh. I want to make a disclaimer you will not have this very often where i picked the number that that i wanted and that's exactly what happened last week. I said that i wanted thirty points from the steelers in week one because that was their average average from the year before i just thought it was a good goal as i was watching the game. During the second half i was able to watch the game with the b._t._c. Contest contest winner derek chadwick who came down from windsor ontario to watch the game. I was able to watch it with him and his wife melanie and my daughter we were all there. Watching together in deir are kept saying what are they going to get your thirty. Are they going to get your thirty at didn't it didn't look like they were at halftime but as time went on we kept talking hey i think they can get get this all. They're gonna get it now. What do you know i wanted more than thirty but i was happy with thirty points that that they put up so <hes> that was a lot of fun. There was some mother numbers that i outlined in my crunching the numbers article that that i do for the website there'll be another one this week heading into this game <hes> i wanted to see the at least nineteen first downs because average last year they got exactly nineteen. <hes> wanted to see <hes> only one turnover the other one got overturned on the penalty. We got one turnover really wanted to see a plus one and turnovers we got a zero steelers had zero turnover margin but that's only because the interception on the two point conversion does not officially count statistics wise as an interception and the plus minus or in in the anything else when it comes to a two point conversion play the statistics that count there are point scored. If if someone catches a two point conversion counts as two points scored a quarterback throws thursday conversion a counts as two points running back to council points. They don't get credit for yards. Large carries catches incompletions interceptions while i was gonna say safeties but they can't really have i guess technically you could run backwards a hundred yards and have a two point safety safety but that's just kind of silly. None of those other stats count on that convergence. If it wasn't for that the steelers would have had a plus one turnover margin arjun. There was a lot of good numbers from this game. <hes> if we're going to go ahead and start talking about the numbers from this week people in the live chat go ahead and start start throwing out there what numbers you liked that you saw from the game friday night oh before throwing my numbers for those of you watching on youtube over my right shoulder. There's the mask the kylo ren steelers mask if you were watching on n._f._l. Network here's your number exactly at the end of the first quarter when they cut the commercial there was a shot of me wearing the mask <hes> lance williams mm sent me a text right away said i just saw on t._v. Jeff thought he was crazy. Because jeff was so busy doing other stuff he doesn't watch those those little sendoff parts of the game <hes> f anyone in the live chat saw. Let me know <hes> but there. I was wore the mask good bit during the game. I don't know it was during the game mm-hmm but i was also trying to do everything i could to get a shot to get noticed to get my daughter on the jumbotron which we did eventually do that during the game so let's talk numbers. Let's numbers of the big number. I'm sure everyone's gonna wanna shout out here. So i'll start with is we're gonna go with ten. We're going to go with ten tackles of devin bush in his in his debut that was you know pretty big big deal now. Some people might say well some of those tackles downfield true. Some of those tackles were downfield not all of them for a loss he had a great tackle for a loss on fourth down now with him and ola making that stop and that's right after he made a great stop on third down no one where the sticks was with crossing route on a tight end and kept him and drove him back and did not let him get that first down so those were some really good heads up plays by devin bush that the the key is he was all over the place he was after the ball so whether the ball was downfield or whatnot they were plays where he what it wasn't even towards him and he still was able to go in and and and get ten tackles which was really nice i there were some concerning numbers from the game this past week. I'm going to throw out the number thirty. One as a negative steelers gave up thirty one first downs. I know getting i down as we've talked about how that's not always the best judge of things because you can have a one play drive with a touchdown and technically touchdown counts as a first down so one first down or you could go out there for a long methodical drive an have first downs. I like that number to be high for the steelers even though they're scoring quick because i want them to show that they can keep drives sustained and really keeping going if anyone the live chat can help out. I do not think that the steelers it had a three and out all game. I'm pretty sure that they at least achieved one first down. That's not true. I was gonna say not one first down on every drive but i know they did not get a first down at the end of the first half when they got the turnover. They didn't get a first down but they were able to get a field goal so <hes>. Let's see what we got here just to mention if you're in the live chat now we do have what we call the super chat feature <hes>. I'm not asking to use it. I'm not saying you you have to use it but if you want to type a comment or ask a question you can type it in hit that dollar sign donate any amount that you want to the show and we'll get your your question or comment bumped to the top of the queue so that will definitely get mentioned so if we start looking through here here. We got some people that says that. They saw me here we go. Oh my goodness that will elaine john charles <hes> was one that says they saw me matt thomas saw me. I know some other people that said they'd seen me in a different live chat going on. The people saw the mask at the game. That's great getting with bo didn't realize that <hes> <hes> different bush had ten tackles well if you've been to the site at all you've it's been all over the place yeah matt thomas. Go i jumped out of my chaired said that's dave and his kids thought he was nuts. That's that's pretty funny so <hes> it's nice to know that that people recognize the mask so <hes> rhino toll all said bush did more than devon white that is true but devon white did not did not play as much as devon bush bush played the first half you did not play in the second half <hes> so that's that's one also interesting article coming out tomorrow morning that i wrote about how devon bush now after the first week how that first week the preseason in how that shapes up where they were currently stands in the defensive rookie of the year conversation i know the regular season hasn't started but if but if you're talking about vegas i guess odds now's the time that they're going to fluctuate those things with especially with those rookies here we go andrew be says here's a number that he liked about one hundred jordan forty one point. One people don't know what that was. I'm pretty sure that that is that was mason rudolph quarterback rating because he came man and had himself a pretty solid game. All three quarterbacks played pretty well. <hes> i root off. I'm pretty sure had the highest tested. Was that rudolph's or was that hodges rudolph's. We'll find out here. Someone'll tell me in the live chat as i scroll down through josh dobbs got two series eary's he did flip the field before they had to punt when he started at the seven yard line and that was on the long past james washington if he could have got a little bit more the air and it could have been seven. Maybe but you know it's still a pretty nice completion in the first place and then dobbs did did lead a a drive that started at their own seventeen did get a field goal. Rudolph got four drives so out of his four drives. He had two touchdowns in a field goal so that's pretty good and then hodges had four drives. I'm pretty sure his was a field goal at touchdown and to punch. I don't count a drive arrive at the only plays are kneel downs. I don't count that as a drive so that was pretty good <hes>. Someone said they missed me. Brad missed me. That's all right. <hes> <hes> devon white only had one tackle so <hes> daredevil said that he saw me at the game <hes> someone wants to thomas white. Did i use my kylo ren powers to influence the outcome. I'll be honest with you the other part. I don't have it with me. Is i actually found a yellow lightsaber that you just flick it out and it extends. I don't even remember that. I had until halftime so <hes>. I didn't even use the lightsaber power for that one <hes> hey. I'm spencer hall. I'm in holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. I'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what i mean is it's all spoiled every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too fashionable pants worn middle school we also do you talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app someone said about <hes> <hes> they watch the all twenty two that was brad the strength to push pack tight ends and interior linemen wasn't there is is what he was saying. I'll be honest with you. There were times. I felt that devin bush was blocked where he did get blocked so he didn't he wasn't he didn't get to fight right up to get that <hes> to get the tackle on a shorter gain is what you would like but you have to remember. It was his first game and those guys on the other side. They're making money to try to block him so you can't ask them to make every play. It's their job to so that's that's. That's just kinda how it is sometimes so all in all to just to say that he was is caught up in the crowd and he was he was constantly getting to the ball. <hes> there's still things work at is a little small. Perhaps we'll see we'll see how that can how that can can progress. Crickets did throw out the number sixty two which is too young to pass. We've talked about that already and i wholeheartedly agree then here we go hodges would have had better ratings of if his receivers hadn't dropped the ball that is true. There were some drops <hes> <hes> someone bringing up <hes> gotta make sure i get it right unlike coach tomlin today. It's ulysses gilbert a third. He did call him. Ulysses grant today was pretty funny. He laughed it off pretty good. He had one and a half sacks. I do believe and did pretty well. One thing that was brought up about him. He was playing playing later on in the game. You wanna see something for this week. See where they have. When they have gilbert take the field. You might see him out. There may be with the first group or very shortly after to get a better look against some better competition 'cause <hes> he definitely did turned <hes> turn some heads. <hes> have a question about this past week will what about gentry. I'll be honest with you. I tried to rewatch the game on tv after being there. I was also trying to write some articles at the time so i didn't get to look at the blocking as much as i have to. I don't know how gentry did as a blocker and in order for him. I'm to be a equality tight end the steelers. That's something that's going to be important but <hes> big target in the end zone rudolph found in pretty easy. You know anyone any shorter wouldn't be open so <hes> you gotta like that possibility but if he can't come out there and sustain a block that's going to be the key to. I'm getting playing time in the regular season <hes> felicia. Let's talk that vegas baby k point spread to bet on <hes> there. No she's talking about this game coming up or just throughout the season. <hes> we talk an awful lot about point spreads <hes> for the week when it comes to the steelers preview only get into especially in the regular season that we do like to talk about point spreads there. I'll mention them on this show some because of the numbers of it for this week coming up. It's a pick em game saw. The money's moved it a little bit where i saw at one point. It did go to one point the steelers i favor but it's basically a pick him game and the over under is at forty six the last i saw i would definitely felicia you want something to bet on. Take the over in this game on saturday with the steelers and the chiefs. I think they're i think they're going to a mean forty-six forty-six. That's only if it's twenty three to twenty four. You're over and i think both both teams will be there. I would go way over on that over under what i came to the steelers. That's my safe bet for this weekend so here we go. I'm going to have to kind of skip through these in order to to get onto this coming week <hes> so so here we go yeah. Someone did say that white played two series was how long he was in the game so so there we go so where he has some stuff <hes> anywhere on the andre johnson he apparently was practicing today in the breda practice. They were not in pads. <hes> the only only people that were not out there. Today was <hes> because this is a one more number. We want to talk about this past week still know joe haden. He's has an ankle contusion for those. They don't know what that is. That's a bruce markey's pouncey and dave decastro to castro's dealing with some just general soreness and <hes> general soreness sorry i couldn't help it and into cash and county is a no one's really sure what his injuries they asked <hes> coach trauma today and he would not disclose what it was so but everyone else is back on the field today. Sean davis is out there. <hes> data john's was out there so hopefully we can see the one of the person that wasn't there was the the one injury from this week which was christian scotland. Williamson has like a soft soft tissue tara. I'm getting a message from from jeff hartmann. He has a soft tissue injury so <hes> when i mentioned david a cashier i want everyone to know that we have our our contest going on <hes> we hit one hundred people in our survivor survivor league. I've got to check the settings to see if we're allowed to have more than one hundred. If we don't have more than if we're not allowed to have more than hundred we will set up another one so <hes> if you're not sure we're talking about. It's it's it's a survivor league three. I who it's right now it's the top article what behind the steel curtain because we just updated it and and we'll see what we can do all right here we go before we move onto this week. We've got some super chat going on first of all <hes>. <hes> felicia has just throws out a a good job sticker off. There's five dollars tip jar. Thank you felicia and then for <hes> here we go six forty nine six dollars and forty nine cents rhino. Tool rumor has it. You threatened to retire for t._s._e. If you aren't allowed to wear the kylo hell the kylo ren helmet during chats. It's obviously i tried it again tonight. I've i can't do the headset and the helmet helmet in order to the show. I was going to try to do it just for second and it just doesn't work so <hes> so that's what's going on with the helmet comet so let's let's transition now into this coming week. The steelers play saturday night at seven thirty. It'll be on n._f._l. Network they play the kansas city chiefs piece. That's going to be really really interesting for this one once again. I've already said if it's if it's forty six points take take the over in this game because the number. I'm gonna throw out there to you all for this week. I wanna make sure i go with the one that i say the last week. Number was thirty one or one of the steelers scored thirty points this this week i think the steelers are gonna have a super successful game with the number of twenty four if they can hold the kansas city chiefs to twenty four points or less. I think that's a really really big statement of their defense. Going into the season. Mahomes did play a series week one of the preseason so i'm assuming that he's also going to be playing some this week. This some more steeler starters and their more regular players bears will probably play for a couple for series or maybe two in this game. I don't look to see i don't look for ben rothlisberger play at all he would be one for sure <hes> <hes> and then possibly market pouncey depending on him other than that. You might see everybody at least get a series so it's a little bit more of the of the bigger competition titian kansas city so far for the preseason is leading the league in points. They put up thirty eight points last week against the cincinnati bengals angles so it's gonna be really interesting to see how they go this week. If the steelers can can hold them twenty four points on defense that's a big win and that's a big statement <hes> from their last year in week to the steelers gave up fifty one points to the green bay packers in their only lost as the preseason <hes> but the but the but then the year before the only gave up thirteen points and won the game seventeen to thirteen. I can't remember that was against and in the two thousand sixteen was when they stuck it up against the philadelphia eagles and lost seventeen to nothing in the preseason so i wanna see that week too. I wanna see that offense begin to flow more <hes>. I think you're gonna see switch up with quarterbacks in the order that they come out <hes> there was some some questions about who was really ahead dobbs rude off what really had to be dobbs. I'm telling you josh dobbs started that game because he was the backup quarterback last year unless he was injured or ben was going to play he was going to get the first crack at it now. Even of josh dobbs played lights out and mason rudolph came out there and devon hodges and just played terrible. You were going to see one of those other. Two guys start the second could week. That's the rotation that they want. They want to see how are people going to do. <hes> that terrible. I don't know if they would have done it but because all three played well. I'd i'd put my money on mason rudolph starting this game on saturday nights against the chiefs so i thought all the quarterbacks look good. I thought some receivers levers really showed some stuff. I'm going to once again highlight my sleeper pick to make the roster that i've talked about for awhile and that is one johnny holton. I believe he fills that special teams void that the team lost dairies hayward bay and he's capable to be a fifth wide receiver <hes> i could see him if one of the other receivers gets bumped off the roster like possibly a rogers or switzer her that i know some people are really high on some of these other dante spencer kevin jones pretty game but johnny holden keep your eye out on him especially with these guys plan special teams really love to see all it any get getting some tackles on kickoff benny smell junior getting tackles tackles scott the first tackle the game on the on the opening kickoff it some really good stuff so <hes> let's go ahead and see what kind of numbers we got coming into. The live chat. I just saw something something. <hes> that's people talking about injury reports and here we go sixty three total points is what we want from create gets what that may total points because i don't want to save you to have as many points if <hes> if kansas city scores twenty four and the steelers win the game they they just hit their over so there you go felicia. That's why i'm going with that one. <hes> would like to see some progression from lane. It's now <hes> justin. Lane did struggle struggle at the beginning when he was gonna get higher competition. He did get better as the game went on. He did miss two tackles that resulted in touchdowns. The first one looked worse than the second. They kinda happened right in front of me at the game so i was able to see them but <hes> he he did not he had a learning curve he he got a better game on him but he he's got about back and learn from that and then <hes> benny snell. I think he's just got to got improved on that stiff arm. I'm kind of whiffed on one. They're a little bit. I also wouldn't mind him just saying hey. I'm gonna it's better to fall forward and get two or three yards than it is to try to try to busted. I it for eight so here we go if we got any kind of numbers or any kind of questions coming in <hes> go ahead and put them in the live chat now <hes> <hes> <hes> houghton is good competition rogers and switzers. That's right daredevil. I believe that's what i'm saying. <hes> tevin jones kevin smith. I'm not sure zach what i noticed estaban. I might have got that wrong there so <hes> thanks brad. I appreciate that for letting me know that one so i don't know which person person it is every any any other specific numbers that you wanna see this week. What about sacks. What kind of snacks would you like to see. The steelers had or orlando. It'd be nice to see them. Raise that number a little bit so yeah we're right. It is seven jones. Hey i i did. I didn't know what i was talking about so <hes>. Here's someone that was brought up. <hes> marcus allen was kind of caught up in the crowd didn't see an awful lot from him. <hes> i know some. Some people are really high on him. He he's got some skill could really help the steelers but we've gotta. We've gotta see him. Come out on the field and i know last last preseason he struggled with injury but he really came on in week three to earn that spot on the fifty three is when he really really made a big push so i'd like to you see that coming from him because right now he's getting. He's kind of the forgotten safety going on right now. <hes> here we go. We've got another super jat question. From thomas white. <hes> safe to show was it would he recommend going to the the steelers chiefs game without a ticket meaning. Could you get when there i'll be honest with you. If you wait to the last minute and hop on. I suggest ticketmaster because that's the official official site of from n._f._l. Tickets i know you can get stuff through stubhub or whatnot put as a as a season ticket holder if i wished to sell my tickets i can. I have an easy way to just put them out right on ticketmaster. It's our official selling resale tickets for n._f._l. N._f._l. tickets you know they're legit from ticketmaster. If you show up to that game i'm sure you can you can get some get some tickets a good price. You can get ticketmaster now. Alan get some tickets for a pretty good price. <hes> i've got several different family members that <hes> that are headed up to the game saturday because it's just a and they're both doing what i was trying to suggest to do with jeff hartmann ryan anthony davis and get lance williams coming in from the west coast but he says it's too hot in august to be in pittsburgh. You can go to a game but the pirates played afternoon game. They played the cubs at one thirty and then the steelers played seven thirty. If if you live outside the pittsburgh area and want to catch some some some good pittsburgh sports go hit up the pirates and then grab yourself something to eat and then head on over to heinz field to check the steelers so <hes> and ali irregular these chats a lot of you. Already are in these chats. I should say <hes> he'd like to see to pick my already burns. That would be that'd be nice. I would rather see already burnt actually get on the field because he did not do that this past game so if he's gonna show that he can do anything versus i he's got to get on the field <hes> hi daniel hi amanda we get to tell everyone about the new pod <unk> jess digest that is right are brand. New podcast is available now. It's everything you need to know about the world of food every week with a little will help from the biggest names in the industry and journalists from the eater newsroom. We're gonna talk about everything from the worst things that diners do in restaurants too fake meat. We're gonna talk about delivery free tack. We are going to argue a lot about how to behave in restaurants. Oh yeah big time so many things. I mean politics politics. Yes it comes up. It might make you laugh. It might make you think it might even make you hungry daniel. I'm so subscribed to digest for free today on apple podcasts or in your favorite i tasked so here we go <hes> and then the people agreeing that marcus allen is kind of getting passed up okay okay. How much do tickets usually cost to watch a game at heinz field. That's from darren dalton. It's very simple depends on the game. You're it depends on what you want to sit. <hes> my my seats are in the lower deck in the end zone and closed down to the stadium so i have a great view of the the jumbotron and the field at the same time and those tickets depending on the game or a couple of hundred dollars each if you want to those saint tickets for a preseason preseason game you're probably looking about after fees and everything about maybe probably no more than six dollars a piece for a preseason game. If you don't care where you sit and you wanna get in the stadium you can probably get them for bare bones minimum. You'd be surprised. I know some people that they just give away. Their pre. Season isn't tickets because i understand. You've got to be selective with your games when when it comes to things like that that you don't wanna you know be be wise with your hard earned money. <hes> i'll be honest with you. I probably have enough money in the live chat right right now for someone to go to the game <hes> while i mean i don't know for not me personally slate but there's been enough donated for someone to go to the game checkout ticketmaster and look for the little for preseason games a lot of times. It's the only time this never happens. You're going to get a better price from resale tickets than you are tickets from from the actual <hes> steelers. Those are the blue seats. If you get on the website i check it out so <hes> here we go. Someone would like to see brad. Budde do pre with a sack which would be great so that pretty much much something up. I think we've pretty much dried up with any kind of number stuff in the live chat so <hes> like i said don't think that many big great greg guru because i called a few of the numbers i from this past week. I was basically going off of averages so <hes> the thirty points was a good thing to go with and they nailed it this week. I'm i'd like to see see the defense. Only give up twenty four points like i said last year the averaged twenty three point seven five so around that up to twenty four twenty four or under for i'm gonna go up against the chiefs would be a great total another number that i really like from this past. Week is the number one and that the steelers at least have one preseason victory because it's it's not very often the team that goes oh and four in the preseason makes the playoffs make the super bowl or anything like that so even though the preseason doesn't really matter when it comes to windsor lawson's that that's one. You'd like to at least get one. <hes> jefferson talked about that last week on pretty sure on the steelers preview so so so here we go. I got some people one person did say that they bought five tickets in the corner end zone for the home opener home. Opener is expensive. The home opener is an expensive game. You're gonna look. I mean that's actually what you pay. Their reginald is not not bad for the home opener because because i know <hes> ali in taxes xs asking about watching the games free online. I'm gonna say this 'cause it's on n._f._l. Network if you don't get n._f._l. Network the n._f._l. Mobile the app n._f._l. Network app could possibly show the game. You may have to log in as the only problem with that one so there are some other streams that people have have you can go in and type those. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be off at you be very careful. I have a laptop from a few years ago that i don't even use anymore because it's got to viruses because i used to stream steelers games so you have to be very careful with with what you're gonna. Put out there. I know sometimes people like to like to put things in the threads of our articles to say where you can watch the games a lot of times. We'll have to hide those comments because we the last thing we want to someone someone to come in and click on a website from our our one of our articles that then gives them a virus so <hes> lots of opportunities. I used to watch the games. They have also on replay on on n._f._l. Network the other big suggestion that i have is if not you you can lease listen to him. On the radio. I paid a dollar for an app on my phone years ago that that lists out all the radio stations that stream a game both home and away so you'd have a kansas city you even have the kansas city teams radio stations not all of them work but there's always at least one or the two that works and if nothing else you can catch it on the radio some wanna thank you all for joining in tonight we had <hes> we had over sixty people here in in a live chat and everything going on and had some some good numbers <hes> unexcited about more steelers football week to should tell us a little bit more about how things things are gonna go. I'd like to see those only twenty four points at another thing. Let's drop those number first downs down l. Let's let's try to keep them under thirty so <hes> thank you for joining us tonight and to send you off. Lance william style tune-in can tell a friend and subscribe. 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OITNB Episode 23: "Win-Win"

Cincy Jungle

32:48 min | 1 year ago

OITNB Episode 23: "Win-Win"

"This is Sean Rama's firm the host of Boxes Daily News. podcast today explained you know since late September. We've done probably close to a dozen shows on this impeachment inquiry from the early rumors of a whistle blower complaints to Nancy Pelosi launching the formal impeachment inquiry to the whistleblower complaint coming out wrote the so-called transcript coming out to the Republican counter narrative to the White House stone. We've done it. All all felt like it was leading up to this moment of of televised impeachment hearings and the event of that event was the testimony of Gordon Sunland and we wanted to make sure. Are we made an episode that properly showcased and explained the significance the historic significance of that testimony. And we did it and we want you to hear it. It's available in our feeds right now today. Explained episode is titled Impeachment TV. Mr Sunland goes to Washington. Ten Hits a must-listen. I wouldn't say so if it weren't go. Check it out and enjoy. Thanks Welcome to the orange. Is the new black podcast. I'm your host as Boogie. I'm joined by my co host them who they say what's up. What's that man? I don't a day. It's a day we can going up against the Pittsburgh steelers dealers wheelers squealers. We wheelers remember today as well. What's your up to man? It's been a laugh personally but I'm feeling good man this The start of the end of a great week always Not Too bad when it's a Friday Sorry guys I had some personal the things that I had to handle in the middle of the week loss relative. But we'RE WE'RE GONNA keep the spirits high and we're heading in the steelers week and for me. I'm feeling good. Hey Bro feeling good. How about yourself doing okay? Let me start off by. Were a question. You'll work to win the man man. Yeah that's A. That's a very we mow. Are we going against arch-rivals that we could ruin their playoff hopes. What is five and five? We can pretty pretty much. I want to say for the nail in the coffin but we can get the very very close to the man. I'm going they don't have it. Don't have a first round on draft pick we can basically. I don't know if you guys follow me on twitter but if you do you probably already know that answer to this question so one thing that I post it was was like me when the steelers expect for us to show him mercy when they come in wounded next week. And it's like move foster throwing scar off our scarsdale or move off or whatever so I think I think this is one of the few times. This is probably the only game. Yeah this is the only game. Let me let me make that clear. This is the only game that I WANNA win. Okay like if I had to win a game I think within this last Russia games this would be the only one now. I don't know if that means that we tie with the risk ends for the very first pick I would have risk is had this on the tiebreaker. That sounds very scared about that. man raised its on the side Brechin and looking at their schedule. I don't really see the winning. But maybe one day the same way that we played the dolphins they played the giants. And that's a very big we. Gotcha Gotcha Yeah. I'm very your so your or your pro bengals Sunday. Cheer for the BAGELS. The win correct. I cheer for them to win. I wouldn't mind if they lost it but like if there was a game. I guess it's a win win for me like either way either way it goes. It's a win win for me. I want them to to win this game if they can if they don't then there's you know there's no pressure but looking at risk and schedule I'm like Oh man I don't want him to win. Scared of them Dan because they they don't necessarily have to this pretty good right or decent enough. They don't have the door early on quarterback in the dolphins will be sitting there with the ammunition trade. I'm not really worried about them as much quarterback I'm also worried about the trade in the dolphins could come to Mike Brown with the whole family of first round pick this year and whereas stingy still probably wouldn't even due to do if he didn't do ever do you probably ain't GonNa do that right But he but the risk is absolutely need a lotta positions. Just like we do I. I wouldn't. That's the other question I have for you that we went through last week. Is that what you has. Has Your thoughts on that change at all. Do you feel as though if dolphins came all of their first round. Take this year and then next year would you go. Would you pull that trigger. I think I would still I think I would. It's hard to say because because I was team I will smart thing Puerta trigger and I know we don't really like harbor like that but I have a feeling that Herbert is going to be the second Guy Martin will move back up and still get Herbert or whatever the hell they got the resources and they're not gonNA they're not gonna they gotta go get hurt or something later on there like right for a default or whatever you know their Dr- like Carson hit the nail on the head like the bengals really low key. Just try to get lucky like they just hope that somebody's GonNa like false alarm instead of being aggressive it's like and then like if they don't follow their then they go they. They just switched their draft plan to whatever option B. was and it's like we saw that last year when it came to Devin Bush and also in the second round when it came to WanNa John Taylor We've seen it when it came to Michael Thomas even though they still ended up with a good player and tyler boy. It was said that they really wanted Michael Thomas but wouldn't trade up to get him home with him being there and my role as a green man. Wow right pat him home all right so let me successfully speaking to Devin Bush upcoming week. You have any thoughts on what we should expect from the bengals versus. I've been looking at a lot of different things I didn't say why absolutely wrecking the NFL. Right now and I was one of the guys that haven't been as they go in. I think a lot of it's a lot of media but the numbers are there. Devon Bush's numbers are slowly going down a little bit but the impact is. Yeah I watched a couple of plays for him last week against the browns where he's tracking the football like all the way across the field like making the plays that I mean. Just that one guy would have that. That is an instance where I'm like okay. I can see how patient the impact the game so heavily that that that would probably equate a winner to this year versus a whole quarterback Argument because Bush made some unreal place that I saw last week. They still lost game but just he's are not allowed to go across the middle field anymore. He said why is leading Lee and quarterback hits he's like second in sacks. I think he's got like point five. He's got five four fumbles. I mean. He's absolutely recognized here The bengals don't have any weapons active. Besides tyler boy that that I can see that would probably make any good of an event because the defense a friend the steelers is Absolutely still awfully intact. They're gonNA cry in their injury and they've got these guys that we never heard of record sales of the world is it all often. They're underrepresented. Yeah I mean I think it's funny because the last time we had at our first episode and we had Tony Sereno from the locked on steelers. podcast one thing that I said like even before that game was that their a defence looked better and I was saying on that show like the steelers defense is legit like it's really improved with the trade for Minka fit. Patrick which has the time. I still thought that that wasn't a good trey for them. Just from what they gave up in terms of value right But obviously that's kind of turned around because they've started to win and that draft picks starts to move up. I think right now it's like the number sixteen position when we were talking last week But that defense man. I mean that's one thing that will give them credit for it and you kind of talk talk about Devin Bush but the end in search of Devon Bush as well let's make fitzpatrick have totally. You Know Chances Defense and they are very tough defense and they can literally win this game. based off of that defense. So that's one thing that I think that we have to worry about. I think like you said yes. There were key injuries that they've had On offense but to me the steelers have in a sense return to what their original identity was. At least when I became a fan which was having list very strong defense and trying to establish a running game. They were more of a defensive team. And it seems like they're morphing back into that and especially with these losses than the off side of the ball I think we'll see that right. And I think that that bodes very Bad for a young quarterback and Ryan Finley you know. He's going through a lot of defenses obviously with the Ravens other week The raiders weren't as bad but still gave up about four sacks as you said TJ why is probably licking his chops there. They also have a strong defensive line. strong secondary so. I just have for some reason. I despaired that there's going going to be like a makeup fitzpatrick interception involved here. We're wind feeling he's GonNa go deep and make us just GonNa pick them off. But I think that defense is what we really need to be. Worried worried about From an offensive standpoint. If this defense I think our defense is really going to Set the tone once again like they did against the raiders. Right so so. I think that that will be very important. I think James Connor probably misses this game. I know he has a shoulder. Injury and Ju- I think is going to be out of. Yeah but I still feel like there's a guy like McDonald's that they could use in in Their role and like you said Burnett. I think that they try to attack the middle of the field that way. I honestly think Mason Rudolph is going to help us out. Because he's shown that he has the ability to turn the ball over. I honestly think that they would actually low key have a better chance if they played the guy behind. Mason Rudolph against US So I think that that boats for making this a tight game now if they blow us out. I'm really going to look at myself like we are the worst team in the league. Light like this team from a offense or standpoint they're super depleted and if they blow us out from putting up points. That would be ridiculous but I really don't see that with our defense kinda bouncing back last week. But what are your thoughts on My whole perdition. Eighteen is that they're gonNA come with tricks. I honestly think that when you're in desperation like that you're going to see it it's GonNa be. I wouldn't even equate. I wouldn't even say last time that we played them restrict plays but you see a lot of like high school like several passes in different educated like different than credit and credit. You know to their coronated forgetting. We're getting that right and then flew in ru in having the resources they're really doing anything about it but it's in the middle of the defense attacking them with these little short passes because because like I still people a couple of other we a couple of weeks ago whatever mason. Rudolph reminds me of eighty dollars a lot of different ways. Now he doesn't have the ability lady to throw Downfield as well but his his finicky shaky like feet and just the one read. Take Off Austin gave that type of things. I thought that all of that brand thing and I'm going to What's the Guy Villanueva or something like that the the line of the steelers whatever. Hey worth game of his career Games myles Garrett and. That's the thing that I was saying last week that I was so upset about is like this. Episode is sponsored by Stash. Ask a smarter simpler way to start. Investing with Sash you can begin. 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And unfashionable. Pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast APP. Everybody's focused on the end of the game and and I didn't even watch the last thirty seconds. I only saw highlights Connecticut like over. They weren't burly like manhandled. Like in the trenches in that normally don't see for now still and I'm GonNa Tell You last week Andrew Billions and adjust. Hoopoe had their way. So I don't see any difference with that I think that's GonNa be the biggest difference that game versus the last term. But I do look for the steelers in desperation will to crank up like some shirt plays. You might even see like a reversal. I WanNa Return. Remember this member. John is like they have to resort that X.. Because you also that the bengals offense was bad this offense is probably just as is bad or not. They they were. They were worse with Geez. You Andy Andre Johnson and all these guys. They're so imagine them without it. I don't even know what would they can. Come out there with I don't feel like they're going to be able to run the ball that way. I just think they're going to have to resort to that type of stuff from the other side of things. This is a nightmare nightmare. Matchup for Ryan Finley. Not only is it very very one thing that I've noticed When I went back and watch the tape from last week Game Ryan a family? Absolutely probably doesn't even have an NFL arm and I was very very Big on him like in Clutch. When was the thirty nineteen play a scrambling on a couple of different jobs? I really really liked what he did. Because it showed the class. She gives you a glimpse of what happened if she's got a semi mobile quarterback or quarterback the winners. But they're throwing he can after so the outside Hashes teams are GonNa zero in on that when you couple that with the fact that you're number one target in the last couple of weeks who has been automate isn't GonNa play you. Now Have Tyler Board. And it's going to get blanketed double coverage who is he going to. So then I'm thinking like Ok even even even if they were down by two touchdowns they gotta just start running a ball. 'cause there's no way even and people will say well according plays in I don't even accordingly has played the whole overtired season to have him come in there and think that he's GonNa hold his own. That's a tall taste better than John Kerry. Perhaps but this has come into coming to town. There's probably top during NFL so that coupled with the fact that he can't throw a deep anyway he can't go outside Hash is it's it's a formula like third down last week. I mean teams. The they were the raiders. Were just dialing it up. Crosby didn't hesitate from one second when when she's he's not gonNA run. They go insane on this line. Bobby Hart I'm told billy pricing is probably going to business week. It is worth them to see as we according according to So there some authors alliance standpoint. Is that once ranfurly to walk out in which he probably has the play forty Like me I don't think that that's a tall task for a guy. And that is the formula for success to win that game will have to be through. Special Teams Defensive. Play Field Position Boswell I cannot stand that guy he hits everything I don't think he's ever missed a field. Go when it's play the bengals ever ever. He's under missed to fill those year but he makes it really won't last week but if it's a close game and it's a full day like Boswell. He's running now he's GonNa hit. He's going to win. That guy gives me nightmares. I can't stand him aside from that I I just think like bengals have to just play the field position game. Both officers will look terrible. Gimmicky plays coming from the steelers. Silver Still Win I'm thinking of fourteen and like nine something like that. Something weird like a fourteen nine might get three bullet. Fill those Kirker something like that but today if we do that is a win right. Exactly exactly Just just shift gears ears. I got two topics that One announcement and then a second thing that I want to talk about just to piggyback off of that But Per James Kripa bingles does do Cobham was in Oregon last week to see Herbert throw. three hundred thirty three yards and four touchdowns against Arizona. This is why we tell you people I know we all personally. I'm on the World Trade as well but you have to keep your mind open that the bengals could be looking at just a herber. I honestly believe I think this is the second game name. This College season that do Kelvin has attended two of Herbert's games this season. So just keep that in mind. He only he only went to one for too. So you guys normally guy so. I'm not saying that just to say but he didn't go to any US who was games until they played Lsu so he could have been there for also Joe Borough and not brought to us so just throwing that out there so just keep that in the back of your minds before you think of any other possibilities or before you right. Just Herbert off. The second thing that I wanNA mistake is them. Let me ask you this question anyway. Ryan Finley goes out there and struggles. Let's just say hypothetically Ryan friendly goes out and throws three interceptions in the first half. Would you put jake down gala in the game you think. He deserves to at least get three the three games to see because I think I think I think after if Ryan Finley comes out this game right and he struggles why not go and put in Jake Delgada Because all right so two part question The first part is no because Jay Lagat has no reps with the you know with the cursing seen. He's not been involved with the game plan on the basis. Now when you see it teeming You say okay. We're full practice all week. And that's how we determine if they're they're gonNA play like eight hundred green if he were to practice on Wednesday Thursday Friday or you know a lot of stuff being said okay. Yeah they're on. They're in the on the the game plays. They've got the rest of the first thing different things like that. Hey DOLLAH golic. Currently right now has no reps so the action the coming in an injured like say Ryan definitely gets injured or those interceptions. He's not ready. He doesn't have the game plan. Now if those three interceptions and then the game is over he makes it through the game and then they come out and say yeah. We're GONNA VIZ Ryan family. You could save a week to prepare. I liked that but having the rest into the lineup up. No I think if you go down in anything like that is absolutely Andy Dalton. That goes back into the game. They don't was the one that was warming up last week. Yeah I think you're definitely right about that. was that was that warming up right and Dick Guy just for those paying attention and listen. He was actually the inactive last week. So I think that kind of gave us a clue to where their mindset was in terms of him But man just seeing that flat arm which we like we said man. We've already. This is why we tell you guys that Ryan friendly isn't the answer it's not because we're trying to stubborn and you know stick our hills in the ground on Just is wondering quarterback. We don't just want any quarterback right. We're going to give you a realistic evaluation of these guys From top to bottom. We're not just GONNA push our own agendas or our own narratives on that. So we told you guys weeks ago before Ryan Finley even tickets for under center. And he was the guy gave you the concrete reasons on why he wasn't the guy it all checks out. And that's why you tune in here to the orange is the new black podcasts. Because we're fans just like but we're going to also give you that perspective that in that realism that you need to see and hear And I even have friends of mine. Follow our podcast. That aren't even bingles fans period and they say that it's refreshing rushing to hear a realistic perspective from Zim myself when it comes to the these issues because we don't give you biased opinions or over inflate inflate ah players and their values and things of that nature. We're going to give you some real hot when it comes to the Bengals You guys and if you guys don't follow as please make so he check him out on new city on twitter and instagram. I'm Zimmer underscore who they instagram. I do have one quick thought though. I just wanted to tell you what with just a herber these are. These are my three quick assessments with these quarterbacks the to the borough and In just a herber now Berle is my guy that I'm rooting more. So far is because from a cultural standpoint an attitude standpoint and awareness standpoint and what I call scrambling from the front office. He has all of those tangible. That is very very key. Aaron Rodgers at the King of scrambling from the Front Office office. They won't do anything. That's GonNa make them a mega team or anything like that. But he scrambled from the front office. Every week. He calls his shots. Baker Mayfield will one day be in in that position as well as to where the organization was stupid. If they don't pay them exactly what he says. You get a blank check. And as a result the quarterback takes control of the teen That's how you scramble from the Front Office. That is the main hope that I want from Joe Borough and it's more so in along with his field play so so people have to take a look at that just a herber. Right is a systematic quarterback. That's going to be. I'M NOT GONNA say he's Andy because his arm strength the upside on just after her birth is probably hired in burrow into it. But the mom that I had with Herbert is that he's the the personality characteristics of what he does and what he plays the is always gonna be that. He's going to be a more quiet. Acquired is more soft-spoken he's always going to believe towards like what the eighty dollar thing is. He's I'M NOT GONNA demand anything Joe Berle is like so named for if you're older listening right now. Joe Borough is Joe Vamos two thousand nineteen. He's riding around with the I mean. Who Do you know? Got Into the office. Alarm it carrying hoisting up after game. That's not a national championship. He's calling the shots he's wearing shades. And a Lotta people weren't from that type of stuff but he backs it up with his play that attitude that bravado is what could carry the culture for your free this take all these different things so smart enough people you have to think about our situation versus somebody else. Just Herber Gore to the Patriots to be the heir apparent for Tom. Brady will be super bowls but Jeff Herber for the Bengals to me. Doesn't quite today. He needs to have offers a line in place. Everything needs to be placed all though he is somewhat more mobile than I thought he was. The mentality in the ATTITU- won't change the culture to I. Don't trust the Bengals I don't chest medical staff to do a proper assessment on to even see if the hip correct so he falls down to three or four where the and they go pick two or whatever. I don't even trusted trusted medical staff to go get him at this point. And that's that's where I drew the line with two for me all the time. It could have been so well or bore or borough but if the bengals worth two and it was easy I would say yup. Something's wrong with him because every now and then we go get somebody like Joan or something Somebody feels like they fall until I left type of deal with the exception. Like William Jackson unlike tyler hyper. He always ends up in Israel because because other things that don't a a correct medical and it's so rare to get like three or four and that's where we're at and we got it to I would like to but I just don't see like I don't trust trust their medical. I don't trust their front office. Joe Borough just if you're a fan of Ocho Cinco like I am or whatever. Joe Borough is the quarterback Ocho Cinco. Now now maybe not an animator. Whatever but it's a cultural thing in and it's backed up by game play so if you're listening to this don't just look at just the feel we'll play in? Don't in a lot of people that follow college students. That like their everything. Whatever like a guy who sent me today like what about just from my? He's a bump. But I'm I'm just saying no. Don't let your college combined gig collegiate bias. Scientists this with me as I don't watch I don't Watch Watch College Football Less is dealing with quarterback play or just looking at guys before the draft also. Hey we need to go to the dress. I'm doing this level. Yeah never acted. Excuse me we gotta go to draft. I'm Joe Borough Jersey. We're GONNA talk about that off air. Do you have any thoughts. Just say. Yeah yeah I I I WANNA touch on a couple of things in closer hair so number one definitely want to try to make that happen for us to do something drafts. If you guys have any ideas or anything that you guys have for us please let us know when it comes to that That goes high rate is is GonNa be the dice is going to be lit. Ah the ones that I want to touch on to kind of talk about. Who is injury If you guys haven't checked him out last Hosts that are our last guest that we had on one last podcast. Wraps he actually released a video about to health concerns and his injury and The real possibilities of where this injury Korea so Just for those who haven't had a chance to check that out. Basically what he's saying is is as of now even though to has had the surgery There still isn't a guarantee that he's going to recover from it because they have to see if the blood is actually going to flow to the hip which is If you remember about Jackson right in the curse of the the Bengals He had a hip injury. That was exactly the same one that too has now and he was not able to get that blood flow black to the hip area. So as you guys the end of his career and now medical Medicine and things of that nature have advanced obviously From the nineties until now. But that's still something to keep in mind so I think if you do take to your redshirt him that first year. It's almost like he's not going to play In my opinion you probably shouldn't play them at. Oh Next season because you have to remember. There's some overlapping Phlegm. Also talked about the fact that you know. That's a one year injury like I one year from when it happened right. So we're talking about that happened last week. So you're talking about. We could be into week eleven next year and the NFL season. That's a flush she's like like let's basically he's not playing from from my understanding of Research that he's founded and everything like that so that is one way to kind of look at it. Because I've heard a lot of bengals fans say. Hey why don't we just you know take to And you guys know. I'm the biggest fan. I wouldn't be opposed to take him instead for year. I WANNA be better next year at least like eight eight seven nine something like that some progress. So I'm not sure if to Would would help align with what we want now. If we're willing to be patient wait then maybe right but I I think just off of these past seasons and this season. I don't think that we want WanNa go into a fourth losing season again right But that's all I wanted to say about that But in closing here then was there anything that you I wanted to say before we get out of here no I really. Don't I hope everybody's having a great week we're going to have a good game regardless. I think this is the best I probably still. Oh going into Pittsburgh game in a long time because no matter what I feel like I'm a winner I'm GonNa win. I'M A win with this pick or I'm beat them so either way. This is going to be a good week for us. Everybody keep on a risk and every week those that are. That's the number one thing that we'd be living because if Haskins looks terrible we are in trouble. I feel like I own a tiebreaker. If anybody thinks that that is incorrect. Because I've actually people that that I really trek. 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Steelers Preview: Predicting the Steelers 1st round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Steelers Preview: Predicting the Steelers 1st round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

"Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What is going on? This is Jeff Harbin editor of behind his steel curtain dot com. With Dax to back episodes of the Steelers pre. Yes. The three of us were here last night talking about the NFL schedule released. We went over in great depth. The pittsburgh. Steelers two dozen nineteen slate of games if you wanna listen to that check out that show that was unusual as well as on all of our audio platforms. But here we are again, Thursday night regular time regular place live on YouTube. That's Brian Davis. Dave Scofield, Brian. How are you this evening? You know, I see you two people more than I see my own kids, and you aren't as pretty as them. I'm just going to say that right now. Well, I know your kids that's not necessarily a bad thing. They would've had GRE did I am bright eyed and bushy tailed that's a shoutout to Lance Williams. Too cliche killer that was the right way to say it the cliche killer. Yes. He is. He does two things. Very well. He kills cliches, and he butchers names. He's he called Martavis Bryant Martavis Bryant for his entire tenure in Pittsburgh. Even though I have corrected him every single time. Anyways. Look, let's get rid off to the dad those that have been following the show have been should know say should lease that term loosely. The we are giving away two tickets to the upcoming Steelers draft party Saturday the twenty seventh that is the final day of the NFL draft. There's rounds four through seven will actually be announced at the party. We are giving them away for free. And if you're just now hearing this here's what you have to do you have to backtrack all the way back to last. Night show. The Steelers preview with the schedule you have to go back to the standard is a standard on Sunday. And then you have to go back to last week Steelers preview to get all of the previous questions because you have to do two things. What were one you have to subscribe to our YouTube channel number two? You have to get all of the questions. Correct. And you're gonna Email Mr. Scofield here the answers, so you can go you can send them on one Email someone actually sent me an Email asking me that. And I said, that's fine. So here's the Email address before we get you the fourth and final question. His Email is Steeler. S? T L are again S T L are super fan dad at g meal dot com. Again, that's S. T L are superfan. Dad at g mail dot com. That's all one word. There's no underscores. There's nothing else. No periods Steeler superfan. Dad? This is the fourth and final question. We will pick the winner for the contest. This Saturday at midnight. He will pick the winter. I'm not picking the winner to date as picking the winner. And Dave is also going to provide us the question. So Dave the fourth and final question. I know it's going to be a doozy. Why don't you? Go ahead. Take over and let the listeners know what the final trivia question is. All right listeners. It's all been leading to this. I do want to remind you that when you send in the Email. You will get a reply if you do not get the reply there was something wrong with the Email. It didn't send properly if you have to go on the website. Look me up. My Email should be there. Under my profile to make sure you got it. Right. It'll be in in the description of all of these podcasts. So if you don't get a reply than it hasn't come through. So here's the final question. It kind of goes piggybacks a little bit with the question we had last night since two thousand when Kevin Colbert took over as the GM of the Steelers they have made one hundred and fifty two draft picks out of all of those picks. How many of those players have not or did not play a single regular season game for the Steelers? How? Many players have zero games for the Steelers drafted in the cutting kobylt era that includes players that only played on the practice squad. That includes players that were even drafted recently and just haven't actually registered as a game. This includes players that were cut, and we're never with the team players that could have been traded or signed somewhere else in played a bunch. But never played for the Steelers. Whoever gets the exact number, right? Will be entered into the drawing if no one gets it. Exactly. Right. We will go with the closest answer prices. Right. Rules closes Doug over just who's closest. All right today. You have it folks. That's your fourth and final question. That's a tough one. It's a busy. That is a doozy. I think if you go back, I mean desert some some questions were easier than others. I thought the first one was rather simple going back to the West Virginia university. Go back and listen to that. If you have to still check that we'll give away to tickets for free, folks, if you can make it awesome Topi get all the questions, right? And all I just hope that whoever doesn't have going take some photos, send him to myself or Dave I love to put him out on social media's I k- here. The people that we we sent to the sealers draft party be pretty cool as as you represent behind the steel curtain dot com in all of our podcast, which we take a lot of pride in. So if you didn't know 'cause I did see you have to subscribe to our YouTube channel. If you're listening on audio form, go to YouTube, search BT SE Steelers radio, and you can find it there. So all right. Let's get to some news. There's really not a lot of news. The Steelers started their phase one of their off-season. Workout program. What this means is that the players conditioning coaches. That's really it. There's no other coaches that are permitted to be there during phase one. They are allowed to have footballs and throw the ball around. But there's no pads no hitting nothing like that. But there were some media availability, especially for the Steelers official website in the Steelers talk to one Danja in rothlisburger, and he said all the right things. But Brian Brian Davis. I know that you've you've read the comments, and you probably read the article that I wrote for the website, Ben said all the right seventy think he was also saying a little bit more than just what's on the surface. Oh, yeah. You know to me that was a big screw Utah couple people. And it the reason I think that is just he's going back to ten years ago with the band of brothers, which I always liked when he did that. But he it means a whole lot more to him right now. Just saying, hey, look, we are not selfish players. We are here. We are not the selfish player that you think that we all are you could group us in with two malcontents. Don't do it because we are here for each other. We wanna be here where celebrating each other. And we're going to do it without them. And we're going to do it. Right. And we're going to go a lot farther than you think. We don't need them. We're here for you. And we're here for us. Yeah. Nothing more. That's about. I mean, I thought it was some strong words and a wasn't. It was kind of like what Mike Tomlin says he says everything while saying nothing, and I felt that was true. Dave, you agree with that? Or you disagree? No. I agree with that. He I liked the whole way of he says everything must say nothing. That's that's a great way to put it. But every little thing that Ben says right now is going to be scrutinized is he taking a shot at regardless of what he's saying. That's why it was so wise that he didn't speak for so long. It didn't say anything about all of this. Because no matter. What he said it was going to be taken the worst possible way. I'm happy with what he did. I'm happy with the whole idea of this is us forget anybody else. Who's on the outside except for those guys that will be coming along in a week now, which we can't wait for they'll be brought in and welcomed, which is really exciting. But this is great just keep it keep everything in house. Br United a team. That's when you're going to get your best football people. Do not understand how much team means to this game. It's so important. You can have the all the talent in the world people keep talking about the Steelers squandering their talent. It doesn't matter. If you have talent if you don't have team this is a team game. You've got to have the team let's build that team right now. And I'm not sure correct me if I'm wrong, I don't feel like rothlisburger spin it phase one of off season workouts very much in the past seasons. I don't remember. For him being there. They had a very large veteran contingent at this workout, we're talking pounds. He was there a lot. I think goes a whole offense of line Villanueva. They were they were there. And they were making a strong statement by being there. I think and here's my last question before we move on to both you Brian. We'll start with you. If you were giving Ben Rothlisberger advice. You ever see a time where you say, you know, what let's sit down with someone of your choice. Maybe it Sal paolantonio. Maybe it's Chris Berman, and you can share your side of the story. Do you ever have him do that? Or did you just say, no, stay, quiet. There's no use. Let's move on. No. Because it's going to be. It's been done bell. Did it browned in it? He doesn't need to do it because he's a different guy. He doesn't have to have that one on one. He just has to lead. And he started leading again, he's always been a leader. But he's been doing stuff without saying it to be a leader right off the bat when Dante Moncrieff get signed. What does he do? He calls him up says we're gonna we can get together in the off season welcomes aboard you're going to be needed here. And that is something that's huge. It doesn't have to go through a puff piece that everybody could just rip apart. All he has to do is be the team leader that he is. And just get every buddy together and say, you know, what we've been pointed at we've been had our leadership question, we have everyone thinks we're going to go six and ten and we're going to be dead without those guys were banding together. And we're showing them, and that's all he has to do. Jeff. Dave. I completely agree. We do not want to deal with one of those interviews because they never go. Right. They never go. Well, and no matter what you say, you could just go out and say puppies are cute and half. The people are going to be furious about what you say. Because it doesn't matter. I seem to remember a couple years ago about three years ago in an interview some people are upset with coach Tom when when someone brought up the notion of the patriots in the playoffs. Hey, we're only dealing about this week for weak people. Like, oh, well, you know, that's out there. Then the next season. He's in an interview they mentioned the patriots. And he's talking about, you know, of course, with them coming up later on which they never got to and people roasted him for that. You're not happy. If he does say, you're not happy doesn't say it. So it doesn't matter. Those those sit down things they don't they they they never come out. You never come out on top. There's never a winner. There's never a loser. Because everything's always just going to be over critiqued and half. The people are going to like it and half. Art. So it's really not worth the time. I agree hundred percent. So let's go ahead and switch gears. It really wasn't a lot of news this week. Everything was about the schedule. We talked about that at length again, you can go back and check out an entire podcast that we did in lieu of the burning question. My my normal show about we predicted. You all predicted eleven and five I've believed in I predicted twelve and four if you want to hear the details on did you not pick eleven and five you pick thirteen in three. You didn't even have up on your own. Well, thirteen and three I like it. And you know, who will you know, who agrees with me is actually skip Bayless. So that you know, that's gonna come to fruition now. Oh, yes. Because all Mehlis. Mehlis senate. Yes. So if you wanna hear that go ahead and listen to that on your own time. But let's go into the stack eek segment this week. I don't know what we're going to get Brian Dave is been in his lab cooking up something, and we're just talking about the NFL draft. So I'm assuming they still draft questions. So go where we're real quick just like the schedule leak yesterday. One of Dave's question leaked, and I'm gonna spoil it right here. It's a draft question. How much we did more Brian smoke undrafted? So I it's already been leaked. I looked it up. So I'm gonna exclude myself, so Jeff you could guess who was who was the guy. Was it Lambie Tunsil? What was? Yeah. You must've done somebody so wrong for them to hold onto that photo. And then release the day in the NFL. It was. That wasn't current. That was like from a to. Yeah. It was released I two hours before the draft or maybe or Randy Gregory who you're going to the NFL combine and they're going to test you and you fail your drug test. Come on. I I don't get same. That was a good lead question, by the way. Dave, I'm sure you have certain more drug induced questions fire. There's away. I got some questions. I'll be honest with you. I was really laboring on the questions for the contest. So these we'll see how we do. You're going to get a repeat category. Again. We've got let's see Bri one speaks. Jeff gets the start this week of your of your three your three categories are roundabout hodgepodge or last week's it. Can you take me higher? Let's go with Hodge podge. Okay. Would you like run over my creed? Phase. Would you back? Then would you like a or b take the take the odds projects because just in order to find enough questions? These were just two random questions I couldn't come up with a category for so I don't know if this one is more difficult or not. But here's a okay when it comes to Steelers draft. What is the furthest back? You can go. In other words, the most distance back. You can go of a Steelers draft that has more than one player still on the roster that was drafted in that year. So what year would it be going backwards where you have multiple players still on the team? I'm sure Brian is of so I let me let me clarify to go chronologically in terms of year in terms of NFL draft. How far back can I go where I can think of multiple players that are still on the Steelers roster. Exactly. Okay. I'm still confused. None other words like for example in two thousand eighteen draft. There are multiple players that the Steelers drafted that are still on the team. How far back can you go where there's more than one player on the team any example, Illinois, and I get the two thousand four. Yeah. If max Starks was still on the team, you could say oh four is as far back as I go. Yes. But he's not. So so what are we got there? Jeff. Give him some jeopardy music. So we don't have a big while thousand fourteen. Because you still count Shays years on the team. Whether or not you count shave here too. Then that's my answer. I don't know Brian fourteen. Yeah. That's not. You are correct. Really? You are correct. I got fourteen because whether or not shades here was still counted, which I would count him. Yeah. There's still two more stuff on it. And Daniel shade tree mccullers seventh-round. Right. Was he six or seven? He was late. This. This is aged recently because it would have been two thousand ten but we made a trade to Oakland, then it would have been two thousand eleven but we also we just traded Gilbert. So therefore that bumps at all the way to two thousand fourteen so. Doesn't fourteen. It was a that was a great guest. Chef you deductive reason. So here we go Brian you get question be, which probably is the more difficult questions. You're you're you're welcome. Okay. Last season Tyrrell Edmonds played in every game appeared in every game. So he's appeared in every game as a Steeler since he's been drafted who's the only other player on the roster that has appeared in every game since they were drafted other than Terrell Edmonds. And here's your hint, Brian. It's not from last year's drafts. I am just going to throw out a guest, and this is probably wrong. He's probably been hurt in one of those games. But David decastro. He was hurt. His rookie. David decastro, Mr. buttons, Ricky or any team is two games last year. BJ finish starting been Greg king. Jeff, do you have. Jeffer- steel trying to think here since they were. They've appeared in every game. This was a good question. Wasn't. It was a good question. I'm trying to run through all the players on the roster and who hasn't been her. It wasn't from last year's draft. Because Edmonds was the only one from last year's draft that appeared never game, right? Team and TJ wad Vesey game last year. That would have been my guess with TJ Watson. I know that's wrong. So what's the answer? You answer would be one. Artie burns. Your special teams. He he's he he's played in every game. He's played in every game really is credited for being in. He said. At least one snap on any form and game. Because that's what with. That's what they go by. That's not a trick question. When they go by NFL snacks. Okay. When they go by NFL stats, whether or not you're credited with a game played that's a big deal whenever it comes to contract issues and retirement all kinds of things like that whether or not you're credited with being played in a game or not already burns is the only other player on the Steelers that has played in every game since he was drafted. How many scoops of Gatorade powder? Do. They put in that wasn't wasn't it. Yes. Come on. He hasn't been hurt a couple. Gimme your category there. Bryan, you want roundabouts or can you take me higher than Merrill, hud's podcast anymore them? When sucked. Let's get. I I went hire. You what can you take me hired you want a or b? Give me a if upper one I wanna hey, well, this is just like last week. I'm gonna give you three players at the same position. Tell me which one was drafted high higher. In two thousand this is offense lineman specifically offensive tackles two thousand four max Starks. Two thousand eleven Marcus Gilbert or two thousand twelve Mike Adams. Okay. They were well Nicki all second round. Yeah. There's those are second. Well, Starks was. Stark's wasn't a second. Rounders Coakley was second rounder. So it would eliminate Starks right away that wrong we've into Jeff we we've got what's that? Instead, if you get it wrong, basically giving it to Jeff then. Yeah. So I'm gonna get this who's Mike Adams, and who was Mike Adams in two thousand twelve or Marcus Gilbert in two thousand eleven okay. Well, it's it's without a doubt. Because where they drafted. It's Mike Adams that would be correct. Very good. Mike Adams was taken with the fifty six pick which was the second round. Gilbert was sixty thirds. It was way different yet. They run a Super Bowl runners-up. Exactly, exactly. That's what you needed to know in order to do it. And that starts was in the third round. Because a lot of times people forget that starts was the third around. So here we go. Jeff question be you are going with wide receivers which one was drafted higher two thousand two Antwan Randle El two thousand eight to Lima Swede or two thousand thirteen Markus Wheaton. Linux sweet. You just pulled that out of nowhere. Did you? That is correct. As a second round pick. I remember uh so was rained. Well, really that. That then that was lucky guess, I knew that. We'd was the second rounder. And when we was the third rounder, right man, you're I'm you Brian. God bless America. Experts say exercising my gums. Okay. Here's here's roundabout a Jeff air be. A? Okay. Since two thousand both of these are going to be for since since two thousand what is the only round round one two three four five six seven that. The Steelers did not draft the wide receiver. What? Seven rounds since Kevin Colbert, what's the only do? They did not draft the wide receiver. Since two thousand. Senate ryan's. I can see Brian already process of eliminate. Hi, my answer, the seventh seventh Brian for the steel. You're muted cheese amateur. Give me a sign. Twenty nine at night in the fourth round. You're going with the fourth round. It would be the fifth round. It would be the fifth round. Because I have let's see I had it written. I had it down here. Exactly who it was in the fourth round. I'm trying to remember. But. There was there was a fourth round pick. That was. Yeah, I can tell you who it was. Vip Sohn Fred Gibson from. Try Martavis Bryant. Okay. Yeah. Martavis, but Fred Gibson was awesome round. Fred Gibson us from Georgia tall guy. Yup. Before he was a well. All right. So broad and you put get Brian since like, we all get they put together. Yeah. Very similar question. What's the only round since two thousand where the Steelers did not draft a running back? Since two thousand. So you're thinking of well, I know there was a seventh round because it's barren batch. Of course, there was a first rounder. Of course, there was a third rounder. James connor. Second around or gosh. I mean, I'm sure there was a second rounder in there. Wow. That's I mean, Jay, Jalen, Samuels counts. And he was a fifth rounder. I you know, I'm going to go six. Jeff steel, I think it's second. I think he's in. I'm sure there's a second. I don't think there was I'm gonna say. Is in the second. Round. Name anymore. Yeah. And in the sixth round that was the tough one. It was it was Jonathan Dwyer was in the sixth round. So that was a tough one. That was Brian from Jonathan Dwyer from tech, very good. So all right. Let's let's let's give Jeff chance here to start off with the bonus question for the three points. Here's your two categories. Do you want kicking it old school or kicking it old school? Frigging question. One thing kicking it old school or kicking it old school? We don't have game show game show. Allen scouts on this day. The first one whatever the hell, okay. Here you go. I love this for you. Okay. This is since the merger Jaffrey your cloak. Get the question who was the highest drafted punter in Steelers history. I'm thinking Daniel sepulveda's, but I'm sure that's wrong. But that's my answer. That is a great guests. He was the second highest Brian. Do we have a steel? Yeah. Let's go. Let's go Craig colquitt that would be two more points for Brian with the steel that was tried colquitt was actually in the third round. She was nineteen seventy eight the year of my birth. But that was I was negative five. So what are you? So. Okay. So Tennessee, oh, I had that. And I don't remember. This is my question weeks ago that you guys kept skipping so go Brian this for the win for the win. This is the kicking it old school. Who was the oldest first round pick at the time. They were drafted in a Kevin Colbert era by the Steelers of all the Steelers first round picks who was the oldest at the time. They were drafted. Good gravy. Good question. 'cause you know how much the Steelers like underclassmen. Yeah. This has been tipped before another question. No. Because there's there's still multiple people that you could be. So this is kicking. So has nothing. His old school. Yes. How old was? I I'm just I'm just throw out there. Kendall stimulants. Jeff. Can we get a steal island against bud depre- because I know he was a senior. Okay. I understand why you guys went with who you went with those were both seniors. But there was one senior who actually had a had a medical redshirt probably. Jarvis. And so therefore they were already twenty four years old when they were drafted and that would be one big snack. Casey hint. He was the oldest. I have taken a long time. He was twenty four twenty four when he was drafted. So that's I mean, that's kinda forgo that because guess what this the last time. We'll do this next week. We'll be doing draft stuff. 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We're going to be talking about who distillers tech, and that's going to be just going to drive home everything. So it will be a different show. It'll be a lot more like last night show with the Steelers scheduled release where we're just talking about the news it happened. And what we think about it and stuff like that. So let's get right into or NFL draft talk. And that was the the headline I guess you'd say of the article or the show on YouTube is predicting the Steelers first round draft pick. And there's a lot that goes into this now, Dave Scofield being the genius. He is thought that it would be cool for us to develop a five player big board. And we can talk about our five player big boards. See who would be worth trading up for as well as who maybe is not probably going to be there that they might not try to four. We'll see our our big words are the same if they're different or maybe. If they're incomplete I dunno. So Brian you can go ahead and go first with your dad. What Dave you're the? You're the Boy Genius with this idea of how do you wanna do this? You wanna just do like everyone say their first you as do all five. What are you just everyone give out there? I that. Hey, if this guy was there, this is what the Steelers should do not only if he's there. This is someone that's so on the top of your board that you'd even be willing to trade up for so we can go I will go see because that's important whose everyone's number one. The one person that if you can get him is going to be the top of your board. All right day. Brian go ahead. Well, I mean, I think this one's a no brainer. Devon white. Junior LSU Jeff did. Oh, and that is also the same for me. He is the one who I if they're trading up the higher. They trade. It's going to be for him in my opinion item, sell the farm. Yes. That's so that's pretty much our consensus number one on the board. And I bet you anything we probably pretty much agree on number two as well. What do you got Brian? We don't know you guys are. I'm going to shock a lot of people here. Florida state Brian burns outside linebacker. Really interesting. He's on my board. But he's on board too. Yeah. I I think that. This is fairly new for me. But I'm thinking that this guy is the perfect three four linebacker for them. And he's had an shoulders above the last few oil LB's, including TJ, I think this guy could be a a rarity made All-Pro. And I mean, not that you really desire that position with. I mean, I I've sure what love to see what a minute. What's that? We can talk about that position in a minute. Yeah. I mean, I'd love to see what what the comments section is saying right now. But I just I really think that he could be transcend transcendent player. So I'm going with burns. Jan. I steps with the other Devon and said Devin Bush, I did get a chance to study him a little bit more. I just think that the Steelers need is there, and I would still be willing to trade up for him. Not as high as white. I would trade into the top ten whereas I I would trade it into the top five for for white, but Bush at he's at he's he says so athletic and he's three down guy. And I think that he would fit the scheme. Very well. So that's who I have on my second on my big board as do I. And that's also because this is my cut off point of the board of where I'm really willing to actually trade up unless there's a massive run on all the players on my board. Because of course, we have people that aren't on our on our board. Like, for example. I I'm not I'm knocked off people like like Bosa. He's not going to be there twenty nine. Yeah. Quarterbacks and stuff like that. This whites are big word, so two of us have white and and and Brian went with burns. So now, it's probably where we're really start to differ. Yes. So for the third what do you got there? Brian. This is where I go Bush, okay? I love me. I love me. I really think that this guy is I mean, you could go deep with this guy. I'm sorry. I'm really. Okay. Fine. All right. That's okay professionalism. Let's try that I'm gonna go a little bit different. I'm going to bring in the cornerback position. And I'm gonna say Byron Murphy cornerback from Washington. A lot of people will think greedy Williams, a lot of people are going to say maybe Baker from Georgia. I like Byron Murphy, I think that he's a guy that is able to step in and play right away. He can play multiple positions multiple styles. He has good ball skills can tackle. I think he's probably the most well rounded quarterback he might not be the most physically gifted. But this we're gonna talk about this little bit later with are either were, but I I like him. So I have him third on my board believe it or not David value. Here's where I go off from what people might think. And I'm kind of going along the same lines with Brian. I'm gonna tell you right now. This is my Super Bowl, prediction, Steeler fans, or your jerseys. This is who I think the Steelers take if they stay where they are. I think he could fall to them. Although some people thinks he might not I'm going with one Clemson feral outside linebacker. Lampson? Wow. You go back and look they sent everybody to clemson's pro day. Okay. It was it was Tomlin. It was Colbert. It was Butler. It was of south ski. There was who else? Did they have their some other defensive guys? But people think oh, we're going to go corner. If we'd have don't get one of the inside linebackers. I don't think so I think you need someone who can get lots of playing time in your one doesn't have to start but can get lots of playing time. I think outside linebacker is a bigger position for them to draft high than what people realize because even though he doesn't have to start week one. You're going to get a great rotation going on with Duprey and watt pre going into the fifth year option if you if you get the next guy, then you know, that you can just kind of cut ties with depre- after the season. And then you're set I think this is a great position for the Steelers to take high. Because that way they can they can don't have to worry about someone being buried on the depth chart, but yet they don't have to have them necessarily start right away. And I think this guy's a great fit for them at six four to sixty four. Okay. Now if they do take an edge. I mean, good good Lord. How many how many I I'm picks they gonna spend on the physician before he gets on the sticks. But anyways, let's go we on four right now. Dave. Yes. We would be going for our fourth on the board. So Brian you want to kick us off air in. I'm going to get a little crazy here. Not too grazie. But it's a TJ Hopkinson. He already looks good and black and gold. He's worn it this guy to me. This guy is so gronk like his his stock is rising like crazy. I don't know if you necessarily trade up to get him. But if he's there twenty and the other guys aren't this? This is the guy you want because they're talking about you're talking about getting a wide receiver. But you're gonna get a lot of production out of a guy. Like this. You pair him with McDonald? This this guy easily could get you six eight touchdowns the first year. Okay. I I'm not gonna complain. I he's well, I have I'm gonna go with what Brian said with burns as my number four. I think he is extremely talented. Extremely versatile streaming athletic that kind of describes steals wanna go on defense. So that's why the Florida state linebacker burns. David Obey your number four. I actually burns there's well. Because once again, I know some people have chatter disagreeing. But I you never know. The Steelers have been very hush hush about outside linebacker. That's why I think that's that's what it could go. If the other stuff doesn't fall into place for them. So this this is the next one I have even most people have higher on their board than feral. I just think that the Steelers like feral better. But they would also take burns if he was there as well. Okay. Last one Brian. Let's get greedy. I'm gonna go with two Brian to talk about. Tight in Isla TJ. I think he'd be a great addition to the team tight end position of need. What else is there to say? What about you? Dave. I have the same pick that I it's it's Hopkinson from Iowa. I don't think he's going to last that long. I think he will go before the Steelers pick. But I don't I have him down from the other guys because I don't think you need to trade up to get him. I and then 'cause notice I didn't have any corners online. I had all the other stuff. I would go corner after that. But if you look at that with all the names that we've mentioned. There at least one of them should be around there when the Steelers twos at twenty if they choose to take the pick. They're not trade back. Call me crazy. But is anyone else feel that when the event actually happens, they're not gonna draft anyone that we just says, you know, I saw mock draft, and I don't know this guy. I know he's a junior. But it was like a cornerback at Kentucky. And I'm like who is this. I've never heard of the guy this is a mock draft from a couple days ago a corner from Kentucky they had going number one. And I looked the date was not, April Fools. It was in April first. So I I mean, we we did the same thing last year with Terrell admins. I mean, no one I mean, he picked up some steam maybe about Wednesday draft week last year. But no one the only Edmonds that was on their mind was Tremaine. Inside linebacker. They knew they weren't going to get them. But I mean that that was just. I hope not. I mean, this is there are so many options for them at number twenty. I think they are going to get a good player at number twenty. And and really not be disappointed. I will throw this out out here though. I would not be surprised if the guys that they want aren't there that if they don't trade down? I could see trading down as a possibility for this team. Well, let's talk actual scenarios. Let's talk about how if you were to. Put the first round into your mind. You're thinking about how things go players that are going to be gone players. That are available where do you see this going and Humait be a prospect that you say, you know, what I can really see them taking this guide take with you. You mean at twenty or just to move around that they're staying at twenty for this scenario? I I liked it. I mean think the Steelers haven't picked as high as twenty how many years have been since they've picked that high. I should've looked that up beforehand. But. Yeah. And then she was fifteen was it do pre like seventeen. I think you're right. He didn't were twenty. And no one expected him to be there. He was not on the Steelers radar of who they thought that. He was going to be drafting that year. I thought they were gonna have someone else. And I remember watching on TV and turned to my wife, of course, didn't know anything about I was talking about. But you know, it was listening because that was the polite thing to do and say, and I think they gotta take pre. But. I never expected to be there. Things are going to happen that we just don't expect. There's going to be a run on a position. I'm hoping that the run on the position is one that doesn't affect the Steelers. Wouldn't it be great? If there was a run on quarterbacks. They're often is or run on offense lineman. That would be great for the Steelers. So, you know, for I was going to mention that Dave for me, the key to this draft is I would say the giants at number six because if the giants get things started with Haskins, you might start seeing a number ten Denver getting involved and number eleven Cincinnati getting involved with quarterbacks and those those two teams Denver in Cincinnati are teams that could go ahead and take white and Bush. They could take it inside linebacker. I've I've seen them in that mix. So the lower that the the lower the lower the Devon white goes. Is we're gonna push Bush down. So you could you could conceivably see Bush go about I'd say about eight picks after Devon white. But no more. That's a good question. Brian, do you think the Steelers have really put much consideration into white and are focused more on if they could get Bush and the think they're going to wait to see about making any move until white has gone because that's going to give them a better indication where Bush would go like there's no reason to try to try to sit back and say, let's not even worry about it. And we'll wait for we'll wait for Devon white to come off the board. And then we know because we know he's gonna come off before Devin Bush, wouldn't it Chuck everyone of Devon Bush goes off I, but the fact that there's two linebackers it almost wait until saying all right as long as they're both there. There's no reason for us to start jumping up and making all these calls. But as soon as gone, we might wanna think about moving up. Well, here's the thing. If you're. If you're ten and Devon white. Is there you're picking up the phone think about it this way? And I was I I've known the story I actually stayed home for this draft. I had a migraine in high school and in nineteen eighty seven, and I didn't go to school, and I stayed home. And I watched the draft. Oh, yeah. The traps on so I turned it on. And there was no way that they were gonna get Rod Woodson. In fact, I think I mentioned this last week. Tony Dungy told Chuck Noll told scouting department. Don't even waste your time. Looking at Woodson. He's not gonna be there. Then crazy things happened. The cardinals at number seven went. Went Kelly Stouffer, then Mike Junkin went to the went to the Browns. And then all of a sudden, here's the golden goose just like waiting there, and they had them. So if you get a guy like like, white, the starts tumbling towards about number ten that's when you pick up the phone and say, hey, this is what we're offering. We have a number. We have an extra number three. We could give you a five. We what do you want at that point? What do you want first to get white, and I could see that happening? So that's when you start. To me. I guess the one thing that scares me the most about potential scenarios in this draft is let's say they don't trade up to get either. Devon. And let's say that even some quarterbacks are gone, and it a tight end like TJ has from Iowa gone. I just find myself asking my thinking who would they go to? I would trade I would trade out of the first round. And that's exactly what I would do because I don't wanna see them. I would rather get if someone's able to give them a second second round pick, and maybe another third to get back into twenty that would be an or even another fourth say, we'll give your second round pick. And we'll give you a fourth because there's so much good talent in the second round this year. I feel but I just don't want them to just reach. You know, I don't want them to reach on an already burns or reach on a Terrell Edmunds. I want I just don't see that back end talented Davey disagree. I actually do disagree with this one. I think there's no reason to trade down this year more than any because they already have a ton of picks. You're not going to draft. Ten guys are all going to stick. Do you really need to pick up an extra picker to trade? I understand, but to then trade around with later if you trade back it's going to be to make other move. To to to come back and get more. I don't I don't need all the picks that we have at the end we if we use those picks to package together to get up and do other things that would be great. If you need to train on. I be honest with you like I said, I have five guys here that I would really that. I like, and that's also taking about another five to ten that are people that are going to be gone off my board because I don't I think they're going to be gone before the Steelers pick, and they're not even at a position that they would need like quarterback like they don't need another. I first offense Wyman just wrote those off and I didn't even list corners. So I'm thinking that they're seven or eight good players that they could take at twenty that. You've got to be thinking there's got to be one of them left. If not two or three, you know what I'm with Jeff here. And I'll tell you why. If you say you could get a top five pick in the second round and a top five. Pick in the third round. You get somebody that up that high that wants to move into number twenty. And so now you've got an extra second round pick, which you're picking early and then a another pick where already picking number four in the third round. But maybe you have another one right there in that mix. You get a two and three for your number one at twenty man, I'm jumping on that. Because you're getting talent. I completely understand what you guys are saying because you're right. I don't want to repeat specifically Artie burns you could. And I would even say Terrell Edmonds. I think that they took players that they could traded down and still gotten where they traded down. First of all you've got to have a team that wants to train up. I think they'll be there. But the Steelers I honestly, I don't think they move. I think they make the picket twenty I would love to see a move up and take I don't think they're going to move. I think I think they're just going to make their moves at other places in the draft. And they're just gonna and they're gonna take the best player on the board at twenty. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But that's just that's just what I think right now. All right. Predation time, Dave the Pittsburgh Steelers in the first round of the thousand nine thousand nine hundred draft will select. Clelland feral. All right, Brian. The first overall pick the Pittsburgh Steelers. Take. I'm out on. I know Byron Murphy. Stay. That's who I was gonna say Byron Murphy guy picked ESP nation editors mock draft. I'll stick with my pick there, and I'm sure I'll be wrong of watch. You know, you think back to last year you had players like some of the safeties read was one of them, and everyone he was there, and they didn't take him. So. All right question. One question with the picks that we just made. Are there other people that you know, of right now that would make you more happy if the Steelers got them instead? Again, you don't even have to say who they would be like I made my pick. But I would. But if I'm like, oh, I don't care if I'm right? I'd much rather them. See Devon and get one of the Devon's than be right about my picture. Yeah. So no, I want Devin Bush. That's that's the guy that I'm dreaming about. I'm just don't think we're going to get him. Right. Yes. Jeff. I saw this. I'm dreaming about push. So. This guy won. I think he would be perfect of I think he can he could possibly slip. But I just don't envision it. I just don't want to go just back to Jeff's point. I don't want. No a Fant at twenty. I mean, you can get him. You could trade down to twenty seven and get them. You know what I mean? I don't want the Andre Baker. You know, you can get him later in the first. I think those guys are reaches. I don't want to reach twenty. I want someone that is a legitimate number twenty pick. Okay. I agree. And I think out of all the guys that we listed in our top five. If any of them are available twenty I think those are legitimate twenty picks, right? All right. It's the next week. But the Steelers previews on again, we will actually be talking about the Steelers for Trump pick or maybe the pick that never happened. Maybe they trade. It'll be exciting than the less. I love the first round the NFL draft. I love the entire NFL draft. But especially one day to those are the players that you're expecting to have an immediate impact in some way, shape or form. And so it's always fun to see how that unfolds, but for those that have been longtime listeners this show. This is the point of the show where we go into our either-or segment where we ask ourselves. It can be football related. It can be Steelers related. It could be anything where we're just asking ourselves. You have to pick between one of the other. I'm gonna go first because mine is actually football related. I decided that let's keep it with the Steelers. Let's keep with football in this is kind of a chicken and egg question in its if you had to choose between one or the other and that is a dominating pass rush or a blanketing secondary. What would you which would you pick? Because if you're giving your picking one, you're not gonna have the best of the other. Okay. So if you're taking take the secondary, we gonna have good pass rush. So if you had to pick pass rush or secondary. What are you taking Dave will go first? I say give me the pass rush. Because. This seems more like the Steelers have been lately anyway. But the reason I say that is less time the corner or the quarterback has because someone's rushing them as well can help cover up for not as good of a blanketing secondary. One's going to build to the other. So you're right. It is called cause-effect. But I'll say if if you can get to the quarterback faster than everybody else than it. It's going to cover up for having a week or secondary. Let me Brian. You know, what I've I'm going to echo, Dave. I figure that you mask a secondary with dominant pass rush. And I I mean, I love the days of quiver and quake a love the days of Harrison on one side. And you know, guys like guy like Joey porter on the other side. I mean talking about quivering quake green and Kirkland. I'm not Kirkland green and Lloyd guys like that. And today's National Football League. You can't even touch a receiver defensive back. It's not like that. When Mel blunt was mauling people and was able to get away with it. And so, yeah, I think we all would probably say pass rushes where that was my were for this week when I because this football related what about you? Dave. What's your either for this week? Okay. I'm gonna take a little bit of liberty. I try to come up with with the good choices. And I realize I'm gonna leave this one open ended. I'm gonna let you choose for yourself. Didn't really want to go into this that much didn't even really wanna mention it. But we started late tonight. Because today is my birthday. And if we were not doing this podcast if the three of us decided to go out and celebrate and we're going to head out to a Curio key establishments. My question. What's your solo song? And what your group song? Oh. Go ahead, Brian your radio. So at both my wedding's I had I had carry kid my wedding and nothing stretches out a wedding. And makes it even more fun than karaoke. By the way. That's a great idea. I wish that it was awesome. So I had my own suit jacket. I had my own tuxedo jacket for my the wedding. That stock the one one here in Maryland. So I also ended up in a in a cast because of my karaoke performance. I I tore some tore some muscles and my foot because I was ironically the song I was doing and the song. I always do. I is from nineteen eighty two hurts so good John. All right. So what's your? Got to go up and do. I don't know mine. I. Go ahead Jeff with Greg. Give me my cell is on first down a lot of people that know me now, I'm a huge parrot head like I love Jimmy Buffett. But you want a song it's gonna get crowding gauged. My cell assault would actually be in Bryan. You've gotta tell me who the original artists is I like Jack Johnson's version the better, and that is the PINA colada song if you like being collide, his everyone loves that song everyone sing that song in their head when they hear it. So you would say that's on who's saying it Rupert Holmes. There you go. It was the very last number one song of the nineteen seventies. There you go. Radically. It also hit number one in nineteen eighty for the first time because it got knocked out came back in the next week. So that's so hit number one in both decades between the PINA colada song or or then my group song, I'm torn between two. Friends in low places. Oh, classic or journey. Don't stop leave it. You know what? I mean. I would I would agree with all of those. I've got one that one that I've figured out. But I love him. I love all your picks. I want to go to a karaoke bar and not just karaoke bar at one of my many bachelor parties that have had in my life. I was in Vegas and not just even better than karaoke is a piano bar. PNO bars. Aw, that's heaven. I'm gonna go with centerfold. So I'm going back to nineteen eighty two for both of these choice. 'cause you need help you need to be able to breathe the non non non non and is at the end. So you need help with that. But then it's a really cool song to go ahead and get the whole gang, but I'm really loving your friends in low places here. Hey, dave. All right for the solo song. I'm gonna have you guys rolling. I'm gonna have you guys. Rick rolan. We are never going to give you up. We're never gonna let you. All right. So that's. Not only that what we've gone -cation. I've almost had where my where my daughter who's ten wants to come and sing that with me. Just to seeing the course with me. I. Okay. Two years ago. April of two thousand seventeen I was in England, and I went to the Royal Albert Hall and I saw Rick Ashley performed that song. And it was he he was an English God over there. And it was just absolutely amazing to watch this. But it was the day in the middle of the concert. I got a text from this man in the middle of this concert telling me that Dan Rooney passed away. Yeah. And so I I will never forget the the the exhilaration of Rick Ashley, and then just the the fears coming true with DM are the bear of bad news. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to. Song? Okay. We got to be right for that one. 'cause we're going to need hands. And touching hands. Touching me. Keira? I love you over saying. Dogs one of my one of my daughters. We named her Caroline. And so when she was in utero. I mean, we everyone's name. That's all she hates. That's all. I mean despises that song. And if I just wanna get her go get her fired up. I'll just say sweet Caroline. And then one of other kids will go bump bump stopping that song. I hate that song. So I'll sing it with you guys. But my daughter will hate it. So my daughter has a karaoke machine. It's actually sitting right over here. Next to me that we can. With YouTube and everything they have on there. Now, we can get anything we want. Now when we have the BT SE picnic. This summer will definitely be cracking open the karaoke machine. There we go. All right. Brian finished it out. Okay. Not that this would ever happen. But save one of you guys were anybody at the SE wrote an article that really route up the comments section. This everybody off. Perhaps we never gonna happen. But say it does in you got to choose somebody from the two thousand nineteen Steelers to walk you to the car from the game. Who would it be? Would it be big Al hundred Villanueva? Or would you go with stuff onto it? Hm? So they're they're security. They're they're your protection. Yeah. I mean to me those guys I mean, I might be missing somebody. But to me those guys are like the pit ame- of toughness. I'll go first, and it's to me it's villain away. Because not only does he have the size advantage onto it. But he also has the army ranger background until I'm sure there are some superior fighting skills involved there. He could probably handle himself just fine, especially if it's just because of commenters trying to kill me. So that's what I'd go. Dave. I would also go with big Al because I don't know that too. It's bigger than me. So. No hours definitely taller than me. So I don't think anyone would be messing with you about us. You know, I met to it. I got my picture taken next to it. And he was sitting down, and he still was huge to me. He still looked. I was leaning and he was still taller than me sitting down. And he's deceiving. Very big. But his arms are like tree trunks. And I I was just looking at him going. That's this incredible. This man is just like a statue. And I would I don't think anybody would mess with either one of them. So you're safe with either pick, but I'm gonna go with number ninety one. Good questions guys. I gotta be honest our best either wars hadn't a while. So we had a little bit everything a little bit of music little bit football. Couple football questions are very good. So if you're listening to this live, or maybe you're just tuning into our YouTube show. It you missed the question for the giveaway. You gotta go all the way back to the beginning. We did it right off the start. So it's not gonna be tough to find the Email address that would be in the description that Email address will also be in the article behind the occurred dot com makes you follow us on you to be TSE Steelers radio as well. As all our audio platforms. Wherever you find your your podcast. And lastly makes you check it out behind the curtain dot com. As we get ready for the NFL draft. 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Yeah, I Said It: Why I cannot stand the NFL Draft

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Yeah, I Said It: Why I cannot stand the NFL Draft

"Welcome back listeners. To another episode of Year. I said you're checking out the program on Friday may eighth twenty twenty is always the show is hosted by yours truly Lance Williams before jumping to the program. I want to give a big shout to my co host of the homer the haters show and the standard is the standard and the editor behind is still curtain dot com. Big Up to Jeff Hartmann also WANNA give a big shout. The deputy Dave also known as the Oracle of the website. Dave Scofield want to give a big shout out as well to bid BRASCO into the WHO spin bad boy of the network also last but not least big. Shout out to Tony Death. You'll make sure you guys check out Brunch with Tony Tomorrow. And we were teasing What should tony eat tomorrow while he's doing brunch with Tony? I'm going with some pancakes. Maybe some French toast or something. Like that You know maybe some French toast with some Brioche bread. Something like really sweet in decadent so in. Tony brings the show to you. 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If you're in a show you've seen the title of the program. It's called year. I said it I hate the NFL draft. Let me say that again year I said it. I hate the NFL draft coverage. I don't hate the draft per se I hate. Nfl draft coverage at absolutely despise NFL draft coverage. It is absolutely the worst and I'm even knocking us at bt SC. I had a great time doing it. I had fun with all the guys going through the draft. Hate draft coverage. It's absolutely the worst. Let me give you the four reasons why. I hate the draft one rampant speculation. There's rampant speculation in people trying to be no strong dominance about every draft prospect or every nuance about the draft number. Two the attention given to players. That ain't done shit ain't done shit not at all nothing. At all and yes snowman. Captain Cranky is back. I was tired of being nice so I gotta be back. Captain Cranky is back. I've been in the house but like I'm not even going to say because everybody's been in the house but I am. Captain Cranky. Big Up to all the first responders in everybody that treating Kovic nineteen patients and and putting their health and wellbeing on the line number three the third reason. Why draft coverage mock drafts? Absolutely hate MOCK DRAFTS. Mock drafts were the worst there. Absolutely the worst yet. I am dropping. Bombs. It is Friday about the start drinking after I do this show yes. I hate draft mock drafts. They're full of Shit. They're horrible. They suck everywhere. Data the s bom suck mock draft suck and last but not least the reason why he draft coverage draft grades that come out two days after the draft and like John McCain said draft. Grades are worse than mock drafts. I just hated man. Like can't we just wait? Can we have some patients? How can a guy be a hall of Famer on Monday when he got drafted on Thursday? Come on man. Come on there and Brian to Brian Herring to be safe. You hate the draft and all that surrounded the urine. Wrong business bro. No I'm not. I just don't like the way to his covered. I love the steelers. I Love Brian in giving my opinions and thoughts to you. I'm in the right business clearly because you like me and like Bill Davis said nobody knows shit when it comes to the draft so I did not in the minority. I'm sure I'm not I? I know that I'm not. I just hate the way it's covered. I love the draft stories. How these young men get an opportunity to change their lives. Change their families live. I love that they are rewarded. After all that hard work with the opportunity to chase their dreams love all that that is great. I love all of that stuff but I hate the rest of the stuff. Embiid UP MELVIN AGAIN MEMBER OF A SCI-FI Q. Dog Big up to you again on your birthday. Hopefully you're drinking some oil having some ribs and right now get your atomic dog on right now in your living room. So I know Melvin right now just turned on atomic dog. And he's hopping in his liver room do earner new to do do do do bow out. Wow Yippie yo you be a big up to you and I had to give you the extra super shot out my son in law's Q. My Godfather's a Q. I got a bunch of cues in my family. I am not a cute but big up to all the cues to mega sci FI. Big Up to all y'all so let me just say this. Let me get back to the point. Rampant speculation what people cover the draft. They cover every frigging angle possible every. Forget angle possible okay. So everybody knew that Joe Borough was going to the Cincinnati bengals. How many times did you hear teased that? Mr Little hands was not going to ingles while maybe the bengals will. They'll trade the number one draft. Pick to get extra picks. Maybe the word may be overused when it comes to the draft. Will maybe tour. If it's hip wasn't as good as it was last year he would supplant Joe Borough as the number one pick but that hit was like it was this year it would be like. I just can't take I mean I just can't take the rampant speculation that just goes on on and on and on and on when it goes with the comes in goes with the draft. Are they going to move up or do you think Dell trade back will they trained laterally with a tray diagonally will they trade perpendicularly? Will they trade? Look I I I just can't take it. I just can't take it. I can't take the rampant speculation. And then what they do is they. They do this. They go well a source said okay. I have a source too. I have. I have a source to an my source says that draft speculation is full of Shit. That's what my sources you know. Even all the speculation even at BTC like speculation and we did. All we think still is going to trade up in the trap. They're going to do this. They picked every single pick. The rampant speculation is just off the charts. I can't take it if I want to speculate on some other stuff. How speculate that the stock market is GONNA go up? I picked a good stock that I make a whole bunch of money. I can speculate on some other stuff. That's worth something I mean it's just it's just arable. I hate the rapid speculation. And I'm probably hitting the network that you guys. No hidden is the foreign letter network. Espn which is the worst. Espn is absolutely the worst. That's why you guys should come to be. Tse were more entertaining. We give you more information and we break it down better. Espn sucks they. Just come up with speculation on top speculation. I call it. The speculation layer cake. Were ONCE SPECULATION. Leads to another speculation which layers on top of another speculation. Then you come with speculation icing. That's why I hate draft coverage. Let me just say that. That's why I hate draft coverage. Hey everyone this is. 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Every Tuesday and Friday. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. At wherever you listen to podcasts. Let me go to my second point. Attention given to players that have been proven shit now the only people that should get a ton of attention for not doing anything. Our babies babies are the only entities in the world. That should get a ton of attention for not doing anything. All babies do our look cute. They just look you smell fresh look cute they make sounds they got those big doe. Is You look at them and you just fall in love with them. Babies are the only type of people that should get attention for not doing shit because babies are fresh. They're new they're just potential potential. You love babies in your potential. You look baby you can see their future in your eyes you look at yourself. It makes you feel good. It makes you say I'm going to be a better person. I'm going to be a better man because I want and I see and I want this baby to be the best of the baby can be and I can see the potential of the young child when I look into. The child's is our whole child up in the air like it was roots and I say a prayer to the ancestors just looking at the baby for the potential. What DEBATE IS GONNA be last time? I checked JOE BOROUGHS MR little hands. He ain't a baby he's a guy that got beat out by the Wayne Haskins in had to transfer to Lsu. He did put up stupid numbers. But we don't know what these guys are going to be. We don't know what these guys are going to be. These guys have played one single snap. And let me give you an example of why the coverage of these guys that hasn't done anything and just have potential is distorted we on this network bt TSE talk ad nauseam about Devin Bush steeler nation. Top at Naseem about Devin Bush. Espn TALK AD. Nauseam Devin Bush before he was drafted before he played a snap Devin. Bush was the flavor of the month. All I think Devon Bush can be the next Ryan Shay Zere. I think he's a combination of Ryan ear. Lambert Ham Kirkland. He could be the greatest linebacker ever. He could also not be giving you my example. Anybody mentioned Devin Bush. Has Anybody said anything about Devin Bush after he actually played football? Like if you WanNa talk about a player actually have something to talk about than potential the only people. You should just massively speculating. Talk about the potential. Our babies not football players. If a guy doesn't have any game snap or game tape to evaluate. They should not get that much attention now. The attention should be on Devon Bush. We should be breaking and Bush down breaking down as snaps. How was he in coverage? Is He a good sackler? Did he live up to all of the mass speculation that we had about Devon Bush last year? So that's why hate draft coverage attention that's given to players that ain't done shit or Diddley or nothing or could buds are not unknown. Or whatever you WANNA call it. That's why this coverage is distorted. This would be a great time to break down seven Bush's rookie campaign breakdown. His weaknesses his positives things that you'd think he could improve on but guess what that requires that requires actually watching film knowing something about football not just pull it out S So I'm saying that's why I hate draft coverage so that's my first two points. My next point is draft. Mocks or mock drafts. Absolutely hate my dress so I hate my draft so much in the rampant speculation when it comes to mock drafts. I could look at four guys that are known for mop drafts Mel Kiper. Espn ethic Daniel Jeremiah's at the NFL. Network Peter King. Cnn Sa it's mcshea at ESPN. I'm just GONNA look at the percentages as the number of picks that they got right in the first round and given how bad they are with their mock drafts. Why in the hell do we pay attention now? Big Up to Melvin. He doesn't pay attention to mock drafts. Melvin smart but many people listen to mock drafts and they're just dumb. They're stupid let me let me give you make Shay type. Mcshea got six of thirty two right. Eighteen point seven percent. Peter King got of thirty two right twenty eight percent Ed Daniel Jeremiah. Eight of thirty to twenty five percent and Mel kiper junior of ESPN six thirty to eighteen point seven percent. So if you add the two espn talking heads. They have earth's brown right they suck. Here's the thing. Here's the nugget that I wanNA point out what I when I say these four names who did the best of the four names the guy that actually does not watch an iota of film. It was Peter King. Peter King was better than the guys that actually make a bit of doing it. That's helps you. This is bad. Mock drabs are terrible in. This is why I don't like draft coverage draft coverage that the guy who isn't a draft analyst. Get of thirty two windy so called quote on quote on quote unquote in cocoa cocoa quote quote unquote experts gas. Six thirty to hell. I could get my youngest daughter downstairs. Shore a list of people in have her point at names and she'll get four but with football fans we're like Sheikh being herded to the slaughter. We go to website after website after website after website after a website. Mock draft one my draft to mock draft three four five six mock draft seven eight nine ten eleven twelve. Thirteen mock drafts are terrible. Hey Big Rush. Not at thirteen a bad. It ain't bad it ain't good. If you were not at thirty two on tests you'd be you'd be a dummy you graduated. You would have no degree. You'd still be a continuation school. All they do is throw this shit up. Hope it sticks on the wall and they just say anything for views likes whatever. They are apt soon. Louis stupid so when you had rampant speculation attention given to players that haven't proven shit potentials only use for babies. That's IT and draft marks. You can understand why I absolutely despise and hate draft coverage. Now let me just put the icing on the cake and this last piece might be the piece that I hate. The most is draft grades draft draft grades of the worst You know draft grades like going out with a young lady. You'd think she's cute. You have a first good first date and get try to just pick out your future and see if you'll be a couple of fifty years from now. Hell you don't know and Roberts Acetates I have not even gotten or hitting gotten excuse me I not even had a SIPA COGNAC yet. Jeff knows I hate the draft. Jeff hates the draft as well he he as the draft as well drive. I don't know what he's do. Have these do suck. That's the other thing about it is most of these dudes are average. Not Not even say average. Only a few are average. Only even fewer become superstars and most suck most of these is. You've never heard of in. Won't you won't hear outed you'll hear about these dudes. I challenge any of you guys. Go get a street and Smith go get an. Espn go any get any fish. Wrap or website that you look at and look at some old draft coverage have to do our in our in the League anymore. And most of the guys sucked. I mean you know like Eddie. Xp He said he drafted his wife but a six row big up. Any you know hopefully traded a couple of picks to move up into round and get her off the top of the six brow hopefully but last not least man draft grades. How can you great a draft? When a guy hasn't played a snap. How how can you do that? I mean how? How can you do that? Let me just give you guys a nugget in. Brian sank you. I'm almost done with my rant. This is my topic for the day Mr Harrington are you joey you joey's cousin? Hopefully you're not joey's cousin because you're not joyous cousin you can't complete passes consistently. I had to knock you like that. I'm a CAL fan. I'm McCallum after Knock Oregon fans. Hopefully you're not related to Joey Harrington if you are to get gang yes big up to Felicia thank you for the five or chat lands after hearing you rant please relaxing get yourself drinking. Chill hater plus points. Hey Man I had to. I had to go with. I was losing my mo Jo. Well let me just say this and I want to give a big shout out. Jim Wechsel a steel city insider dot com. Jim does a fantastic job of covering steelers longtime friend of my programs. Jeff is fantastic. Big Up to snowman as well snowman as Snowman's question before I jump into Jim's point. What game are you looking forward to watching this season October? Eighteenth versus the Cleveland Browns in the Burgh. Now I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DALLAS GAME. Always like to see the classic. The classic matchup I'm a seventies baby. I'm turning fifty in June. So the cowboys steeler matchup is always classic to me that that is a match up. I like to see and also I want you to Ravens game on Thanksgiving. I think that's great their Turkeys Turkey and they'll get stuff like stuffing you'd get the unusual not to touch but my friend. Jim Wexler said he put it the best way. The only way you evaluate anything in the national football league and this goes to draft grades is wins and losses. That's it that's it. That is the only way you can great draft or great anything. It's wins and losses right. Who cares if you go out and draft or pro bowlers? If you're if you suck you don't make it to the play offs. Who Cares if myles Garrett is a hell of a player the Brown stink? It's all about wins and losses at the end of the day. If your team is winning you I give him give a rat's about who drafted you're gonNA worry about if you're winning or losing that's it now drafting well may help you. Sustain that or sustain waiting but bottom line everything is framed about winning Devin. Bush was a great rookie. Is anybody like ecstatic about it? Because the steelers missed the playoffs. I mean everything is within the frame in the context of winning. That's it no more no less that's it. It's just winning football games so if you drive good players put you suck. You're drafting F. You can't have a draft but lose a bunch of games that's it. And if that's Ruben here with a live chat. I think that's my little cousin. Big Little 'cause thank you for jumping on the program and showing you some love and support. Stay safe out there. Baby boy this is about winning losing. That's facts hashtag facts. I don't care if it's dealers have no draft picks if you win a super bowl who cares hashtag. Facts cares about the draft if you suck. That's it that's it. It's about winning or losing when I had this conversation with and this was after we either view Jim for show I'm going on about. How do you great drafts? And how do you do this already? Baba Blah Jim said look man. It's about winning and losing. That's about it and I had. I was like Oh shit. Hey everyone it's Jimmy model on the of Vedran run a new show on qube produced by the team at Polygon. Speed run gives you your daily dose of the biggest gaming and entertainment news. Every weekday will give analysis of the latest video games and highlight. Some of the best of the gaming community will cover everything from the twenty year. Evolution of action role playing games to the breakout success of riots. New valent for stories like this and much more Donald Kirby APP to watch new episodes of run every weekday this complex. All of you draft somebody rounded. It's about winning and losing hash. Tag Facts those are the facts if you win. You had a good draft if you lose your draft. Something that's it. Let me jump into some of the questions. Big Russia's question big Russia. Can we talk about how I hope the steelers don't sign bud debris to a long term deal? I'm with you I'm with you. I don't think from a salary CAP perspective. And it's GonNa be interesting moving into twenty twenty one. I know you guys are tired of hearing news about covert nineteen. I think I am as well. I think we all know where it is and house impacting. Everyone's live in. It's impacting everybody's Li- significantly but if there aren't fans in the stands local revenue which is part of the equation into the salary cap is GonNa get severely hit so there are estimates that each team salary cap or the salary cap in general the top number for the salary cap could decrease by forty million dollars thirty to forty one million dollars. So what that means is unlike Melvin. Said is if you're a thirty nine year old quarterback with the forty one million dollar cap it next season you might be in trouble it also says. How can you allocate if your salary Cap Gibson? The campus I would say that's about two hundred million. I think it's a hundred ninety eight. Let's say two hundred million if you're cap is reduced to a hundred sixty million. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to afford to outside linebackers 'cause TJ is going to be the highest paid defensive player in the National Football League. You're not going to be able to afford to outside linebackers with the salary. Cap Number combined north of forty million and have a forty one million dollar cap allocation for quarterback. That can't happen. That will not happen. Don't agree entirely. That duprey is a product of T. J. Watt but I will say this head. He produced like Over the course of his force for five years. There'd be no question you keep those booking guys together but they draft outside linebacker to get after the quarterback in niche draft for. He's a replace meant. He is a replacement so I just don't think with no fans and there aren't going to be fans I am going to look into my crystal ball and tell you that I work in this industry. There aren't going to be any fans. I'm going to tell you that there will be no fans so I think that at the salary cap is going to shrink and it is going to be interesting and near Jeff my talk about a little bit on Sunday but I do think it make sure you hit the light but been rothlisberger could be a cab casualty because of it. I mean he could be a cap casualty because of it before I get out of here and go have my cognac and I urge you guys to not do like me because I'm bad like that. Who's Mr Two am again? I hate the draft coverage. Yeah I said it. I hate draft coverage. The reasons are simple. The rapid speculation the attention given to players that haven't proven shit draft mocks or mock drafts in draft grades. Let me jump into this last question from big rush. Thank you for contributing for ninety nine to the program. It's also time to move on from Cam as much as I love him. He's getting older and we pay our own too much they fall. Sometimes I will disagree with one hundred percent cameras. Play the best ball of his career in the last. Three Seasons and defensive line is a position where you can age. Well they need to resigned. Cam because this defense moving forward because Ben won't be here for the foreseeable future I mean been at most is GonNa play two years built around this defense but continue to dig into the draft to try to get their replacements and get a little bit younger at the position. But I love Cam. Hey He packs and lunch Pail And he brings it everyday before I get off the show. If Ruben this must be my cousin Ruben Hill in the live chat. 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Yeah I Said It: Why chemistry is overrated for the Steelers

Behind the Steel Curtain

46:57 min | 1 year ago

Yeah I Said It: Why chemistry is overrated for the Steelers

"Good morning steeler fans and welcome to another episode of year. I set it slow bit early. On the west coast little bright eyed and bushy tailed hope you guys enjoy that scintillating performance by the pittsburgh steelers dealers last night before i jump into this latest episode of yeah i said it wanna give a big shoutout to jeff hartman to editor of behind steel curtain dot com and maiko host on the standards of standard. Wanna give a big shout out to dave scofield. Who's actually at the game and if you were watching the game there there was a big guy with the kylo ren star wars mask on and if you see that fellow that was jeff. Excuse me that was dave. You've and you get a picture or screen shot. Make sure you you share it with the website behind still curtain dot com and and <hes> because you know he wants to see the picture of course everybody wants to see themselves on t._v. Ambig- up to jair devil who said he saw the helmet so <hes> you know date is a superstar and that might be a requirement for day to wear on the program every single time so dave. I'm throwing on it out there. I used to wear the mask last year after steeler victories so you might want to wear the helmet actually draft steeler victories last year i might pass on the mask and i don't know if <hes> you guys out there are aware i used to air a meal massacre. Grass <hes> a libra a libra daughter s steelers mass that i used to wear last year on the program so i think i might pass that honor over to dave dave might have to wear the mask or kylo ren helmet on the stat geek. Show oh and make sure you check it out to stack show. We've got a ton of podcast that we're bringing you guys so i hope you enjoy all the content. If you wanna hear our thoughts on the game check out the post game show that ran. I believe early this morning. We did it last night. Make sure you check out that <hes> also one thing. I'm i'm gonna do on these shows on the live show because it's gone saturday may fluctuate between like friday and saturday like next week. We're going to do it on friday because a preseason games on saturday. Eh i wanna. I want to divide the content of i don't wanna always talk about a breaking down sunday's game or something like that because it might be it might make it to time sensitive where there's no reason for you. Listen to the program. If you're not after the game was played so we're going to try to keep a bit <hes> keep split up where i get into my taking and we can talk about the game but definitely you're. If you're in a live chat you know hit me with some questions and we we can absolutely talk about what you thought last night <hes> a big up to dave dave time then <hes> that he can't wear the helmet and the headset. He's tried but dave as the oracle. I know you will find a way 'cause you are strong with the force <hes> writing articles as late in the morning whereas early in the morning as you did <hes> you definitely have the four so <hes> you know we'll we'll think about it. You know what we're trying to get that done but on this episode of yeah i said it it's entitled chemistry is overrated and i say that because when you look at training camp stuff and you start reading all the articles <hes> there are narratives i think exactly try that are spun and that are pushed by a variety of media sources. His shana yvette said the helmet can't fit his ego. Dave a shamas know something something. I don't know but there are narratives that are that are spun by the media and this chemistry narrative is one that's being sung or or spun right now and it's going to grow more and more and it's going to be louder and louder because of mr third and fifth recent recent antics in oakland you guys want to me a couple of questions about that for me a day or excuse me jeff or definitely going to get into that and tomorrow's the standards others standard show so i touch a few questions but i'll leave my thoughts on that <hes> later for for tomorrow and the reason i say chemistry is overrated is caused chemistry. Don't win you shit. All chemistry wins zhu. Is you're a nice guy or you're a nice team. They get along. I root for the steelers because i'm from pittsburgh. It's in my d._n._a. Khanates in my blood one five to three manchester to the day i that's why i root for the steelers when lows whatever but look we ain't happy when they lose and guess what teams that are high in chemistry are typically teams that changed uniform colors colors in the off season like the jets teams that changed coaches all the time like the jets in cardinals and teams means that rely on fan promotions for fans to like the team. This is pittsburgh and the one thing i want to say is yes we in the win now to austin calls point chemistry is vital in their offense of line. There's never been a question about chemistry mystery. In terms of the offensive line there locked in but you're not what's more important than chemistry is talent. Tell is more important than chemistry but let me read some of the quotes that some of the players have said and this is on steelers dot com and that's one thing. I'm gonna do if i quote something. I'm gonna give you the source <hes> because sometimes guys trying to create their own narratives online and stuff as well and i'm not going to be that guy and i'm gonna give you the source. I'm always be honest on this program and i'm gonna give you the source. The sweat receiver james washington said i would say the team aspect has improved offense and defense. We're a lot closer these years you can see a chatting it up between periods offense and defense messing passing around with each other. We had it last year but i- seeing a lot more this year that makes you wanna be here with those guys joke around all the the time even sitting around after snack everybody talking sharing stories. That's great. That's that's awesome but you know what if those guys are missing tackles. You know we're gonna say instead of sharing stories one. Why don't you kitchen and watch some film at getting your playbook and make some tackles or makes catches and speaking of james washington what i'm gonna let him say whatever he says because if he balls like he did last night sony cracking my collars on popping baby. It's only happen if he plays like that. He showed out. Let me let me jump into something honest. Stefan hewitt said everybody worked out hard before they got here and everybody came to work. You can see it. You can see see us meshing on the field center marquees penalty. It's the chemistry. Everyone seems like they are enjoying football. Now the daily grind kissed to you sometimes but whenever you're having fun with the guys it's always good josh dobbs i think as a team it's the camaraderie robbery. The competitiveness guys are working together whether as defensive backs and receivers. They're competing talking about how people can get better. So what did they do last year. I mean when i hear stuff like that. What the hell did they do last year. What did they do the year before so so the way we're supposed to believe it as fans on the outside watching the game is whenever they win. The karate is great whenever they lose is bad and i'm gonna tell you that's all bull kakai death not real. You know that's that's not real to duane dunk. <hes> i'm terrible with names so dewayne. I apologize to duane. Dunkin tells point more of a family atmosphere the team which plays to chemistry at that's fine that's fine but guess what your more jobs y'all got like each other to perform to your highest capability and standards and guess what motivates you at your job and it's a safety net should motivate them him at their job. You wanna eat steak. You wanna eat steak when your kid wants them jays like they want. Ajay's you wanna be able to get your kid. Jay's you want to not eat top. Ramen scrambled eggs and saracho. You don't wanna eat that so that's what motivates you and that's the same thing. That should be motivating them. They you don't want to bag groceries at whole foods piggly-wiggly. That's for my southern listeners public's for my southern listeners kroger's giant eagle down wanna bag groceries. They don't get <hes> produce and big up to logan dealer. Renzo saratoga is fired. Oh you can't put saracho everything and i did have some saracho wins last night. That was straight up fire. You know big up to order saracho lovers. I should wear a saracho shirt on the show but to my promise last week before i digress just a bit new new lead <hes>. This is the throat acklin not really the throwback lid. <hes> you know just a little something here. You know i'm going to be rocking new leads every every week but look that's right. John eagles yeah. That's tiny logan to lorenzo again john eagles. That's the market. I grew up. They didn't have a a <hes> what are yeah they. They had more giant eagles in the north side did kroger's but that's the market that definitely <hes> <hes> oh and pick up through the wayne. Yes thank you <hes> <hes> now dwayne. I won't get your name right twice. So i'm gonna start calling you d- d- you going to be double d on the show for now when you chiming because since i got it right i got a hole in one on your last name so i'm not going to try to get so big up the d._v._d. What's up pop vodka drinker so again. Chemistry is just chemistry. That's just you know they're just spinning their and that's not to say that going to work in a bad environment may not affect your performance or your morale but the standard if the standard is the standard and we're holding them to act act standard as fans then the standard is to perform employees at your best regardless of the situation chemistry and great chemistry is just icing on the cake if there is there but the requirement is to win and and that's the problem i think with the current media and what we talk about ending media and yes for a second. I'm going to play old middle aged guy and talk about nostalgia stuff. So if you're let's say thirty and below i i apologize <hes> for doing this but back in the day we never heard about chemistry that just wasn't talked about that was behind the ropes material for all my golfers big up to jeff outstanding handy golfer himself that was behind the ropes that wasn't necessarily out there for public consumption but as the n._f._l. Now has become come into a three sixty five twenty four seven sports. That's covered a lot of the filler has to be has to be field in stories about chemistry and stuff that may not directly impact the performance and the outcome that you you see every sunday so that's where that comes about like we didn't know like we don't know about the personal relationships between players to a large extent on the steel curtain teams teams. We just know that one and they kicked folks arses and that's why apart of reason why we love the black ago. That's what we know about. That's what we care about when you're looking back in the history books animals u._s._a. Dang man that that's awesome. The chemistry was great him but they were foreign twelve that that's not what it is when you look back at the great teams all the championship teams you. You ain't looking at them going. Oh man that chemistry camaraderie was great when you look at the highlights and the videos they're not on the chemistry commodity was great. Yes but you're watching watching you're watching clips of them making hits and great plays and what does it take to do that to make great catches great eight touchdown passes hits wink. It takes talent talent. Trump's chemistry chemistry is over rated. Hey spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nannying. I'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college college football podcast it says here in the script to riff on what that means and basically what i mean is it's all orange spoiled every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling the unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants. What's that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast. I have not who was running around last night making off these hits. What was he doing. What is he. He is talented. Did you listen gilbert. Running around cracking folks talented mark barron aaron talented juju talented james washington during his thug. This'll last night making that step that we want to see from in year one year two. What is that that's talent. Justin lane getting beat every play looking like he has not. I'm not challenge but you might read that. He's a nice guy and a bit. You won't care guys stops looking like he has no hotel it but the chemistry is great so again. Chemistry is app -solutely over over rated. Don't fall in it. Don't fall for it and like one of the guys on or big up to logan logan said all of this and logan question was do you think all the chemistry talk is just taking shots the third and fourth absolutely and i don't know if you guys listen to one earlier episodes of yeah i said it and i i was trying to teach you guys away of how to rip agai passively aggressively and not take the hit yourself itself so every time they talk about chemistry there following a rule that i detail about how to do it what you do do is. If you want to rip a guy to logan's point. Try this at your job low just little jabs. If you wanna rip a guy not say their name a guy or woman job never say their name and your critique just talk about the events that they were associated with instead of naming their name when you say so don't say man that jeff. I really don't like like that guy. You know. He's really happy all the time when we do the podcast i wish he would criticize the steelers more instead you do it like this. This you know when analysts are always happy about the pittsburgh steelers. I don't think it's an honest approach. In terms of we're trying to give to the fans. The fans require honest analysis analysis and sometimes that means you have to be a little little bit negative. You see how that sounded. I love jeff but usually high just ripped jeff. I ripped jeff. It didn't say jeffs name so to your point logan. Yes all of it is a big. All of it is a big every little bit of it. It is absolutely flutie to mr third and fifth mister skin flap. Mr i went into a crowd chamber with no socks mr mr helmet it do head case with the head case. Let me just not get it to. We're going to talk more about their fifth on sunday. Show absolutely we're going to talk about it on sunday show but if you guys have any questions in the live chat about the game or anything you start you know this kind of be we could take this last half of the program to the our post post post post game show but definitely you guys got to absolutely <hes> check out our post game that we put last night so let me look through the group chat and also wanna say we have the super chat feature so if you have a question of me about this whole thing about chemistry is overrated and talent trump's at all the on ask me a question uses super chat feature. That'll bump your question up to the top. You know small contribution to the program you do that. <hes> you know you can get your question as i pump it to. The top of the line will jump into the questions if you don't do it that way we have to kinda sort through it and as i see it i jump into the questions so if you wanna use the super cathy <hes> go ahead and do it. We encourage you to do that so let me jump into some of the questions <hes> cre- become to create eckes increases or made the statement. It's time for the steelers just to concentrate on playing their best football. Quit playing to the level of other teams. I agree and and to that point. I'm going to expand it. It's time for them to get away from any passive aggressive mentions of mr thirty fifth chemistry talk any of that it is time for them to play football and just focus in and focus in to the task at hand. I think he's absolutely right and to the show to a just a take back into the show that i did last week about why you shouldn't believe with any of the narrative that you see spun about guys and camp and why training camp stuff just doesn't matter and you need to just watch the football walk games. Did you guys see any snail junior. Think about all of the stuff that you've heard about any snell junior benny snail junior football. Let's just say this. If there was a picture of lateral quickness in the dictionary benny snail junior his picture would not be in it. I thought benny snail junior. I wanna kill the kid. It was his first game. I thought he looked here. I thought everything that i i read about any snow. Junior did not show up on film in the game. No burst no lateral quickness slow to the whole a bit indecisive. I thought he was better on special teams. So so that's why you gotta watch the games and so big up to jazzy prince three three she asked the question. How do you define chemistry. She said chemistry to to me means how teammates play together and how much the teammates know each other's game so they can be on the same page. I would agree now. That's important but that's not the chemistry that they're talking about. Jazz ep jazzy fizzles. That's not the chemistry that they're talking about 'bout. They're talking about how you like each other off the field. So of chemistry is tied into the performance on the field. I'm i'm all for it. Matters and chemistry does trump talent in that case but not the stuff that they're talking about. They're talking about off. The field stuff in chemistry. You're talking about is talking about what someone on. The live chat talked about earlier about the offense the line it's chemistry but they're talking about for industry. Yeah i just invented that were marked arctic tape friend distri friend history. That's what they're talking about not on field chemistry hammet street so let me jump through a couple of things here. Let me grab someone that i have talked about early on a live chat. Grayson brown said mason rudolph all changed my mind last night. They are great draft picks. Mason made offense different olah may deep aggressive ola l. look fantastic olas living definition of quick twitch like if you want like beanie still junior is the opposite of explosive <hes> opposite of lateral quickness. All law is all of those he has been given physical gives on loan from a quick twitch. Monster olot is going <music> after at polish to his game if he wants to be an every down backer in the future is going to be able to drop in coverage. He's going to have to be a little bit smarter situationally. He can't allow himself at a couple of plays get hooked where he took himself out of the running game but in terms of potential is dripping off ola and mason rudolph it off look fantastic. The offense was happening. It was sizzling. It was cracking you saw a different energy with the offense when he came in his movement in the pocket occupied awareness gaining those little extra time to throw keeping his head up the little movement to gain space in the pocket and still get his head up and click. The pets down past was excellent. He looks like he's been the lab. He's been messing with the bronson burns his chemistry and adna stop here and a little twinkle this here a to to make the solution seem a little bit better. He's been in the lab but gin chemistry or friend. History is over rated overrated absolutely overrated. Let me jump back in here. <hes> vodka-drinking vodka-drinking said about justin lane lane needs to lose the college cushion that acre work in the a._f._c. north. You know why lane had to college cushion. He didn't wanna get run past. He didn't wanna keep beat on top of them a ball complete over his head. He was planning tentative pretty scared but you know i'm. I'm gonna give you an ambulance now. Junior hopefully benefit of the doubt in their first game and justin lane play. I think the entire game and that means they really wanna get along heart. Look adjusting lane and so i i think he will improve. I think to shanna vets. He has a long long long way to go <hes> sheni that also talked about devin bush ten tackles seven solo. She said he's going to be a pro. Let me ask you guys. What did you who who were who were the most impressive people that you saw in the game. Last night. I wrote on the show. I wrote some notes on a show that we did yesterday. I thought my positives number one chris boswell then i wrote james washington tonight wrote mason rudolph devin bush and i thought you list gilbert also look fantastic. I think those guys were great. So who do you think are you're. You're most positive guys boswell to me. His performance in last night's game was the most important as well as bush. I looked bush doesn't score points. You know boswell score points and a lotta times on your team. Your place kicker is going to be the guy that scores. The most points boswell has the potential to put three or one on the board in every single game and we saw the inconsistency with the game last year. If you wanna point just one thing steelers demise last year and they're really not to make the playoffs you know a lot of it can be largely pointed to chris boswell to boswell kicks better. They play better they. They win more games and they get in the playoffs. <hes> let me look through the live chat again rhino tool washington and i also so like gentry. I agree with you there. <hes> i mean trump it to some other people in here <hes> michael too well or not not well. He's had a great game for this round pick. He had a great game for being a any round. Pick and that's what i'm talking about that. That's what talent trump's chemistry disguises six round pick. Did you guys see how electric his body was. Did you see how electric his body was us just how he was flying around just how quick twitch he was. I mean that's talent that that's you guys. You have a roster. When you have a guy that has the physical gifts of ulysses gilbert and he's on the bubble to make your squad you gotta squad you you gotta talented squad and that will show up on the field. Let me jump through dave snowden. I think james washington took the number two receiver spots doc. I said that last night is well. I think the way he'd look the confidence. He looked now. The back shoulder touchdown pass for mason rudolph. Yes estate were teammates but you want a guy that you drafted high to dominate bombs. If you're a second round draft pick at at at a receiver as -ccomplish as he was in college you want him to dominate bums and he absolutely dominated bombs. Is he confident to rally chris. The amount of separation the way he caught the football the tommy comey told tap that he tried to do which i thought was a touchdown that boy that boy in the lab him and rudolph have both been in the lab app tinkering trying to get the formula right at little adds a little base to try to get it all right. Excuse me he's absolutely bid at the lab. He's been doing instead trump into a few more questions. Double d said hodges looks interesting to me. I think hodges does look interesting. He does i mean. I don't know if he's going to get that last quarterback spot. I don't know if he will but but definitely he does look interesting. I mean i think maybe he's a practice squad guy for sure. Let me jump into some of the comments as well as i scroll up in the live chat hi hi daniel hi amanda we get to tell everyone about the new pod eaters digest eaters digest that is right are brand. New podcast is available now. 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Look it up about how he got robbed by the to garden hose and you know mr button naked gay rob. <hes> let me jump back through it. <hes> michael also said there were no holes for him <hes>. I don't know who he was talking talking about when he said him shannon. Yvette mason had a nice army patience. I think you're correct. I think he's looked solid. They're <hes> grace and laughed at mr button. Nick it rob. <hes> michael chimed in devon white only had one tackle <hes> and there was this whole battle in the off season there there was this debate about the devon's. Look devin bush look dynamic. He was all over the place in one thing. I've really liked about devin bush. He was finisher finisher. He was a finisher. <hes> snowman chimed in big up the snowman. Pick up to you for the super chat who surprised you and who didn't i. I think you're listening to gilbert surprise me. I think he absolutely surprised me devin bush to a certain extent. I was expecting that that that was my expectation about that. <hes> james washington surprise me but i think this is gilbert. Surprise me he surprised me that that a guy as athletic and as fast this is him all over the field like him <hes> that he's a guy that they got in a sixth round who didn't surprising he didn't surprise. I guess so i guess bush didn't surprised is be. I was expecting that giving his immeasurable. 's and what a- what i saw from here at michigan and his ability to play sideline to sideline sideline <hes> you know i did see that i did expect that and that did not surprise me one issue that stood out to me for devon bush was there was a past completed over him into tied in writing for fifteen yard game where he had adept but because of his stature being five eleven. The ball was complete over his head. Now i've had people on my facebook page. Pick up the christian. You mentioned that as an issue and i cautioned him to watch the game but it it did show up so i think the issue is valid. I think there are gonna be times win. Tight ends may have to be able to high point a ball over devin bush because he's five eleven. I think what he'll have to do. Is he'll have to get closer in coverage so he can be more hip to hip or back act chest to combat those balls and he'll have to get more depth in his drop to try to squeeze that passing angle so the quarterback may look another direction and not pass that guy the ball <hes>. Let me jump into another question <hes> crease it. Is it true that no player in the steelers as ever had ten tackles in one half until last night. That's a question for dave scofield dave if you're listening to the program. Is that true i. I don't believe that's true you know i. I don't believe that's true to have had a tremendous amount of great players. I i would doubt if that's true you if it hasn't some of that is a little distorted 'cause the get ten tackles in the first half. Your defense has got to be on the field a long long time and that might not be a good thing now. Tampa bay did start out <hes> and have a lot of long drives and did have some success so i i would take that with a grain of salt. I wouldn't necessarily think of that as absolutely positive. It's just a thing an anomaly of the fact that tampa they had the ball a lot and you may not have seen that in the past <hes> because a some better offensive performances by the steelers dealers often it's in keeping teams off the field and getting teams off the field on your defenses well flying high p. a. s. how tall james washington i think james washington's five eleven but i think his wingspan is equivalent to a guy like six six. I mean the guy has super arms and it goes back to a basketball thing and it goes back to bush i. I'm not sure how long devin bush measures because in basketball height is important but length is more important so so i say that and i simply mean you could be a five eleven do but you have the wingspan of <hes> six eight so in those cases when you both jumped if you have forty forty inch vertical khalifa the guy with the longer arms is going to win out so lanes trump's height so if you have a combination of high end leith then you're absolutely outstanding but i think he is. I five eleven devon ask. Can you please explain the reason why tampa bay's tight ends. We're getting open whenever they want it. It's hard to see it. It's hard to explain it not seeing game film. <hes> i think they were just running seems really exploiting some of the gaps and probably a lack of chemistry on field chemistry between and guys and trying to squeeze those throws. I don't think it's something to be concerned with to logan's point. It is a soft song. They're playing really salzone. They're not really contesting challenging throws in the zone also sometimes it's situational where you know. They're just not trying to get beat behind them but they're trying trying to keep everything front in front and tackle run the clock so i wouldn't be too concerned about the soft zone that was played but again chemistry is overrated or friend. Distri is overrated. It is absolutely over rated <hes> mister first name last name all i love that handle that might be the best handle that iran a long-time props to you mr their first name last name love that simplicity always wins that simple and effective and it's awesome. He said just joined join so sorry if this was covered already but was thoughts on switzer. Nobody had any thoughts on switzer so you're not late to the party ryan's which is what he is um and one thing i do is. I hope somebody could take his spot in kickoff. Impart returns i. I you know part returns especially <hes> you know he's the guy whose feet move really fast but he doesn't move anywhere just think of a hamster wheel is feet around be but he's on winning. <hes> thomas right said devon bush's wingspan is forty four inches. James washington's wingspan is sixty six inches good lower. They should call washington the albatross <hes> so yeah correct. He says sixty eight good lower sentate take wingspan so to thomas was point so what does that so i if you were to convert wings or wing span of sixty eight inches to thomas what i'm asking a question what would that convert to in height so a person with a sixty inch wingspan. How tall typically would they be so after that in the live chat. I would love to get your answer on that. <hes> spencer look good. I agree way johnson one chimed in what are your thoughts on the edmund brothers. I thought edmonds looked really good. I thought the safety f. mean safety edwards running back aetna's. I thought safety edmonds look good with the pass rate up in the end zone. I think he's playing fast. He looked faster and he looked more certain that that was a play he might not make last year running back admins. I thought he looked better than benny hill. I think the problem with him is that he was not drafted. He's not the original draft property of the pittsburgh steelers so i think that's his problem and that will always way into the evaluation between him him and beating snail. You're always talk about the three piece performance pedigree. That's one of them. You know you know. Pedigree is one of them. <hes> so <hes> you know the pedigree he'd loses in the pedigree of the three ps and no i didn't say to therapy because they got kinda sorta for guide but anyway it is three piece <hes> and so he loses out in the pedigree. I mean pay pay as the thirsty performance pay pedigree <hes>. They're both cheap players so that it doesn't matter it's the pedigree thing and i think that's why he'll lose out. I think in terms of a roster spot. I think he's much more athletic bigger more bursts more lateral quickness in a much better athlete than benny stale and more decisive one cut runner from what i saw last night <hes> austin hall thoughts on under one forms orange by dante spencer no not much you know not not much. I think you know all these guys have to grow. <hes> mister first name last name said sixty eight is five feet eight eight really that that's interesting that his wingspan so what does the wingspan of a guy forty four inches is act like four foot two. That's interesting that mr first name last name says that a sixty eight inch we span translates to five feet eight. I would thought it would have been taller taller because i mean his arms look disproportionately long for a five foot eleven guy somebody check mr first name last names james calculations and math on that <hes> yeah he's okay. Thank you mr first name last name just said oh sorry my bad. I was just convert verdy. Absolutely that couldn't be right. Logan laughed look. It also said this can't be right <hes> to michael tools point holton did look pretty good. Look really fast when i fifty yarder <hes> gather finish that gather getting the end zone <hes> mike is right bidding didn't have have <hes> he didn't have a lot of halls but i just wanted to see more burst especially more balance <hes> especially on that play when he tried brought to bounce it outside and try to stiff arm to corner you know if you have really good lateral quickness you see you can give that corner dad lake and take that bounce it outside <hes> come on the first day last day. You can't try to do the conversion to blame the fact that you studied history not math so we have a mathematician out there. What is sixty eight inch wingspan convert to <hes>. It's gotta be long <hes> creole creole. Who's your camp phenom. I don't believe he can't feed. I told you don't believe most of what you read and half of what you do. The you know the edgar allan poe theory. You know don't believe any of that stuff even stuff that i tell you or that. We tell you believe some of it. It's all in context of the game you take what you hear with a grain of salt in its context context in the game. Watch how it performs in the game so balance out what you read because i definitely want you to consume our stuff. We're trying to give it to you honest but we don't know in particular especially with the young guys because we have to see it on the field. It has to manifest itself on the field in a performance <hes> lee willis chime. You're absolutely right bidding snail look like he the s shoes a li. You must be old school. I love that reference to st niche shoes. That's an old school reference big up to you because he did look like he has seen issues issues. Maybe he had ted camp lakes. <hes> you know maybe here at their camp legs. I don't know he he did look dead. <hes> tidings it didn't do anything. I'm not confident third tight end position. You know they didn't do anything. <hes> create chimed in you. Guys is a great love the honesty everybody is still killing mr first name last name about his bad conversion mr first name come on a hey mr first name last come on northside standup. That's right. That's right baby one five two three three columbus avenue pennsylvania avenue new manchester baby. You know how we get down. We keep it thorough. We keep it real one five two three three pepsi's and shamrock western asked. Let's get it chimed in. What would you be looking forward to in the next game. I'm looking forward to improvement. I'm looking for the young players especially to play with a little bit more confidence and i. I'm looking hopefully to no injuries and i i just wanna see how they take that small step that baby step that forward next week after they've got a taste of this if they can play with more confidence and see what they do <hes> big up to johnny blaze he's. I don't know what he meant by minorities killing the game. I guess <hes> grayson brown benny snail looked a bit scared like he has some <music> game. Jitters mason was general. He looked like he has seaman show. Who's where he looked like. He looked like he was slow. Definitely look like lucky had <hes> cement shoes <hes> so anyway. This has been fantastic. I think <hes> if you got a few more questions before we conclude ask anything adding <hes>. I have no idea <hes> you know how long we're going to keep this going but if you give me some good questions will keep jumping into them. Maybe we'll keep it going for a couple of a few more minutes. <hes> <hes> nick mark <hes> you gotta love the two syllable names nick mark i mean he just comes out real quick <hes> snail l. heady good screen pass that are really good pass blocking. That's why they were so high on him well. After he was running <hes> they might not be as high on him because again. I i just do not see it but it was glad to steelers win. I mean most disturbing thing about the game overall to me was the fact that it just went so long. I mean the challenges. The funny thing was challenged. Was tomlin lost a challenge again. I'm going to guess and this narrative is gonna respond. During the year to tear austin didn't tell him to the challenge. That was the day for the first draft cuts. I think the cuts coming two weeks. I think he'd come into and i think they cut it down to. I don't think i think there's a seventy seventy five man cut anymore. I think it's just one cut so i think it's in the next two weeks. They go from this roster and i think they take auto way down to the fifty four fifty three man roster. I think it's just one cut now and i think they keep the roster size larger in general now i think they made that change changed in the last couple of years. <hes> i think <hes> jeff one cut the fifty three after week four yeah that's right. It's one cut now used to be cut to seventy five but they got rid of that. Thank you jeff for chiming in <hes> flying high p._a. We're gonna get out of here. <hes> maybe the old line help still backed act <hes> we'll have to wait and see we will have to wait and see <hes> you know. We can be a little bit patient with these guys <hes> so so now. Let's just wait and see. I think the first game was exciting. Man we got steeler football steeler football back steeler fans rabbit steeler fans die hard steeler fans. That's what we want. Steeler football is back. Maybe the hard hits to get in town. Get busy watching the excitement. 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Standard is the Standard: When will the Pittsburgh Steelers' drama end?

Behind the Steel Curtain

42:33 min | 2 years ago

Standard is the Standard: When will the Pittsburgh Steelers' drama end?

"What's going on? Pittsburgh Steeler fans. Welcome back to another episode of the standard. The standard. I'm Jeff hardman editor of behind the curtain dot com. If you've noticed you're watching live on YouTube on the only fac- and that's because my partner in crime my co-host Lance Williams on the west coast, which couldn't get it together this weekend. We tried to have the show without Saturday that didn't work. We tried Sunday. I was golfing, most of the day, we wanted to schedule then for Monday Memorial Day, and he had stuff going on that the time difference. It just didn't work outs this week. You're stuck with just me, but we're still going to deliver the Steelers goods, or I should say, I'm going to deliver the Steelers goods for you. And we're gonna talk about all the stuff that happened this past week. And the one thing they kind of resonates with me. And it's the reason why titled this episode what I did in that was when is the Pittsburgh Steelers drama going to end. I want to preface this with the fact that I don't think the drama that they're experiencing. Now is his dad is what it was last season. But everything is just so magnified with this team. Tyrrell Edmonds is liking Antonio Brown's tweet in that's causing drama Joey porter. We're gonna talk about him a lot today on the show goes onto the NFL network, and hey, he can't. He's not employed by the Steelers anymore. He was not his contract was not renewed aka he was fired. And he's talks very candidly about Ben Rothlisberger. And also about Devin Bush said, we'll talk about that in a second. When will the drum end? That's what we're going to get to a lot in this specific episode before I go going further. And before I forget that's the key for forget, and plus days goofy will kill me, it is, you're still have time to enter our win a free juju Smith. Schuster jersey contests? We've had several videos entered and to be honest with you. It's store progressive soaks planning symbols to grabs. 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So I mentioned this earlier when I was talking about the, the show and the drama and the drama and just seems like there's so much when will it ever end? Well, Joey porter he goes out on NFL network, and he chimes in about how he then office burger selfish. And the way that he handles teammates and certain situations and. And he wasn't alone when he criticized this burger and his apology to Antonio Brown. He said that he thought it was too late. You know, evil, he's got earlier. I don't know. It's tough to be to take an outsider's perspective on the situation because I'm a Steeler fan. I hated the way the internet around left a hated the way that he handled himself when he left, NFL Ben Rothlisberger. I pray would've done the same thing. What is that just to shut up just to sit down and say, look? I'm not even saying word because this guys bashing me up and down every day of the week twice on Sunday. I'm not saying word, and I love people view that in a negative connotation, they need that as he's just waiting for the perfect time. And for TA's ready for the media would be right back in his face with the cameras. He wanted to get ahead of that. And I'm sure that had a lot to do with it then Rothlisberger in the Steelers the PR department are not dumb. They're not idiots. They know how to handle the media. And so don't think that the one hundred Katie with Katie k with Bob poppy. Any wasn't strategically placed to be aired? The day before the sealers reported for organized team activities. They did it on purpose. They did that Rothlisberger say look I talked about last night. He answered the questions of the next day, and the rate is turn the page. He did that on purpose. So I think the jury pores comments, hey, he can say what he wants period he. He wants. But this is all tied together. It's all tied together, and we'll get to that in a second. Okay. Then Joey porter went on same interview. He talks about Devin Bush, and he talks about how when he was at the team, they were having to devote them to sometimes three players to do Brian cheesier. Typically did on the football field which is a mazing in itself, and that he feels a demo Bush will be able to do drying cheesier did in the Steelers defense, therefore can be more balanced in terms of people just playing their natural positions. Not having to go out of their way to try to cover up let a mistake, but cover of someone's weakness to speak about a galley John Boston. He played last year. He definitely has limitations for athleticism standpoint. And so if you go out there and you have a Devon Bush, you don't have to have a Sean Davis trail, Edmonds, or Morgan Burnett, who was there last year covering for Boston, and what he was supposed to inside linebacker position now at seven Bush's fast enough enough sidelined. Sideline speed. He kinda do what he's supposed to do. And everyone else can kind of do just there too. So that was important that was key for Joey porter was on the news and he was saying about yourself and I mentioned trail Edmonds in his Twitter like round the world, I said this on the Steelers preview last week, I read article that on Sunday in my letter from the editor, and that is my goodness. It when is when is this gonna just stop? I mean, for crying out loud, that means that somebody went on their Twitter time line. And they saw the Tyrrell Edmonds light Antonia rounds to face using air quotes there for those listing audio form his to face a tweet. First and foremost. I don't care. He can like whatever he wants and I use the example that I have a relative, and she would like anything that is posted from failing members, it could be a bible, quote. It could be an antiviral quote. It could be a video of grasp, right. It could be video of paint trying it could be someone I don't know letting their fart on fire. I saw it or someone every simply. That comes to mind, but she would like it. She, like everything. She's just like like like like like that's maybe Trump is like that. He said he likes a lot of stuff on Twitter. Maybe that's what happened. I really don't care. Here's, let's, let's bring it all back to that opening headline that title of the episode one is drama gonna end. There's no foreseeable drama ending, as long as the Steelers are driving. The needle the you can throw in bud depre-, calling Marco Bowie of the app, fat boy, on Twitter as another example of drama, the Steelers can go about their business, a little bit better trowel, Edmonds could think about what he's doing with for he hits the like re tweet flow, tweet stuff. Bud depre- certainly call out of media member without having to call them fatboy and talking about his weight, and that's the stuff that they can control. The Joey porter stuff they can't. Control because as long as they drive, the needle, and I'm talking about when Joey Porter's on the TV and he's a former coach and he's a former player and he's one of Super Bowl, and he's giving an insider's view of what's going on the locker room, people are gonna watch sites. Ours are going to recover it the Tribune review covered it, we weren't as was just like blogs team. A lot of people cover the story in the NFL network says to thumbs of we did our job. We got viewers got people talking. And that's what they want to as long as, as long as this. Team, whether it turn around lady on bell or still under not as long as they're still a team that is popular, which is always going to be the case as long as a teen. People feel are there, people got talk about which will always be case they're going to get they're gonna put these these stories out. They're gonna give these people to talk. They're going to have situations in place, where they know that what they're saying, might not be true. They know that they're going to be controversial, and they don't care because all they care about his use clicks, and all that good stuff. So when will the drama and the Steelers can do a better job of handling their own business, but at the same time their side, their team that is always going to be attention getting, and I don't mean from themselves wanting the attention. I mean the fan base is so huge that any bit of Steelers news people want to grab onto it. They wanna cling to, they wanna dissect it and. That's one of the reasons why our site is big. It's also one of the reasons why the Steelers are always seemingly surrounded by drama because let's be honest, like I said, let's say bud depre- doesn't call Marqaba, only fatboy, let's say the trill Edmonds doesn't like Antonio Brown's tweet. No one is stopping Joey porter from going on the national media in saying what he said, no one. He had no preach of contract. They're paying him to say that they want him to say that the Steelers can control that. So when I think of drama, I think it's internal, so you think about, like Antonio Brown's Facebook live, that's trauma. You think about some of the situations that they've been in with Antonio around lady on bell. You know, those foods Lee missing a walk-through for the playoff game. Seventeen it gets Jaguars. That's drama that said that they can control to not how they raided Levy on bills locker last year. It was bad. Look how they talked about him when he didn't show up for week one that's trauma, in my opinion, because they can't control. Chris carter. They can't control some of the radio guys of wing go and Trey wingo and Mike Golic. They can't control Colin cowherd, all these people that have these. Horrid views and opinions of their team. The can't control it to me. That's drama. That's just people trying their hand at journalism most the time failing. But ultimately, that's not drama. The drama they can handle is is to be smarter but depre- smarter define. I think we've I really do. I don't think this is going to be as bad, but that the drama will not end until that starts to take place. Keep that in the bag your mind or a couple more questions questions. Lanston. I went over some key points. We want to cover in the show before I get your questions in was is that, well, the Steelers are the Steelers Florida with two back sets and that's it. Would they have James garner, Jalen Daniels, or Jalen tangles and bettys don't junior in the backfield together? This is a tough one. I thought about it. And if my first immediate reaction is no because they're not gonna wanna take a wide receiver off the field. But if it's Jalen Samuels I can see them using him as a flex option where maybe if they're in the shotgun. Maybe they're not. And they're just like the old school pro formation but two running backs behind a quarterback under center, they maybe Jalen Samuels could then motion out out wide, he's receiver then that's going to definitely get some mismatches going. Get the defense moving. So that's an option. I don't see them running out of that too much. I just don't. Oh, I don't know say what she want. I just don't think that the NFL suited for that type of style. I can't think of any NFL team that runs out on the regular, but at the same time, maybe this will try to be trendsetters. We'll see the last thing before I get to your questions tease, fichus ter- during the first week of as was talking with the media. And he said that, you know, hey, just told the guys of after the media session. Like, look, I just want to know I'm gonna be around. I'm gonna be available. It's not just going to be once a week, which is what I intend rounded, and then they're like, okay, that's cool. Thanks. You know, he said, look, I'm not going to be in a hole. And so the question that lands, pose to me is was youth throwing shaded into around. He said he wasn't going to be in a whole. I think, yes, yes, I think that he probably saw firsthand how your brunt handled the media, especially last year last year was weird. This is a guy that called himself Ronald ocean one year. It was weird last year though, we're than that the way that he, he just didn't wanna talk to the media at all. He was only available every Friday, and those for a very short amount of time, I think Judy saw this look, guys. I I'm not gonna treat you that same way. I'm not an eight. Oh, that's just not how I'm going to do business. So was he throwing shade? I think he was was it like something that is going to cause Antonio Brown to respond on Twitter, probably. But ultimately, Judy saying, like he did his thing, his, he did his thing, and he did it his way. And there's some sub he's going to glean from that his work ethic the way he approaches teaching others 'cause everything you heard about Antonio Brown as a player was, he's the hardest worker and he looked out for his wide receiver room. I think gee says I see that, but also see some of the things that I did he didn't, like, maybe handling the handling of the media was one of those things I can't speak for him. So that's just my guess my personal opinion. But ultimately, he can take that hard work and that dedication, they'd internee around showed. But at the same time you could also say you know what if I can a little bit more friendly to the media. It's gonna help me off the field too. It's not going to have them. Be. The Pittsburgh media can be very fickle. They can be very angry and they can they can definitely take it out on players. So there you have that I think he was shave for short. That's just me. All right. Let's get into some questions. If you're in the live chat right now. And if you're listening, you're just gonna listen to the questions that I read them. If you're in the live chat right now and you have a question good and fire away. If you didn't know we do the super Chad feature. Sometimes like right now, we have a little over sixty seventy people in the live Shad, a lot of people that, you know, they want their question answer, but there's just so many people asking if you use the super Chad that's worth says, Chad publicly at DSP TSE Steelers radio, there's a little money next to you can do any amount of money it straight to the show. We really appreciate it. And highlight your question, I've always said, the my policy is, I guarantee we will answer any super Shad question, so you don't have to use it, but it's air for you. If you want Windsor few these in, then we'll get out of here, and we'll be back on a regular schedule after this. I guarantee it. How many games let's hear. Okay. See, so ask, how many games been authors i-it-it's cost the team, I think it's a tossup between interceptions and Chris Boswell field goal. Mrs or point after MRs. I always say when I wanna Kager misses an extra point it puts a team behind the chains. And I'm not speaking figuratively in terms of third and ten those chains. I'm talking about it puts them chasing a score rather than being up seven to nothing. They're up. Six nothing or rather fourteen nothing thirteen nothing. Now, they're having to ask themselves, they score another touchdown should we go for two or should we just trail a point and kicking other field goal. Or extra point it is crazy Benz interceptions in help, he had some crucial interceptions. It some really bad times. But in my opinion, I say, the boswell's kicks were bigger issue ass year than Benz interceptions. But that's just me. Question Jeff what position did you play in high school football? Who's your favorite NFL player? Little known fact. I did not play high school football is one of the biggest regrets that I have in life. I wish I would have I went to a private school and willing we like several Catholic that very good football team. And I came from public school. And so I didn't know lotta people is intimidated by the program and didn't play ended up paying golf. And I know that's quite a stark contrast, one state championship golf. I play baseball's a big baseball player, but I will say the growing up when I was in high school. One of the, the first player that I remember really liking the Steelers berry foster. I, I don't know what it wasn't. You didn't play the team that long case you're young listener viewer twenty nine, the man was he fun to watch. But the MS electrifying player that I've seen in. I don't know if I've ever seen any of another player like him was Cordell Stewart when he was slashed not Kordell Stewart's quarterback. And we know the Cordell absolutely had his head his words as thrower think acted is ninety four ninety five seasons, especially ninety five I think his rookie year and ninety six when he was still that guy that came in as a wide receiver he could throw the ball and he could run the ball. Mike kidneys was he fun to watch. Absolutely was fun to watch. And I think that it's one of those situations where. I. I just can't think, and if you're in the live chat, I'd love to get your opinion as if you can think of a player that was as electrifying as slash. I knew people that name their dog slash period. They named their dog slash because that's how awesome this guy was when he first came into the league. But. I just don't understand. Lands joins the show shortly. He's, he's chime in. I just think that it's a Troy, he was dynamic, but he never he didn't have the ball in his hands as much. That's a good one, though. Those are Ryan. He said, the Troy was as electrifying quotas to resolve them when he first came to league he was absolutely awesome. So let's keep the questions coming in his landscapes in here. We'll, we'll get his take on some of the stuff. We've already talked about. All right. Ron asked you. I do I think that the issues will go back a lot with washing outside statistics show. Now granted this is with Antoni around the outside statistics show that juju Smith. Schuster, does his best damage from the slot in not out wide. So I think that they are going to be able to move juju Smith Schuster around similar to how they used to be Antonio Brown around to get the match that they wanted now in the latter portion of interior runs career heated not move to this lot as much. He was always on the field. But typically he was out wide, even on single wide receiver sets. He would be out wide. They didn't put him in the bunch formation as much and I get it. You don't always want the best player on your team to be running across the middle. The possibly be decapitated by inside linebacker. They definitely did take him out of the middle towards these latter portions latter years of the tenure with. The Steelers but I think Judy species built more from the slot. And so you hope fingers crossed that Dante Moncrieff, Ingende Jane's, Washington pan out that way, you can move issues around. He can play both the slot and outside said that it'd be interesting to see how that takes place. I'm Todd Vander the host of prime time a new show from box dot com this season we're tackling the American presidency on TV stories that capture the way television effects, and reflects politics and culture. We'll take a look at fictional presidents who've changed the way we think about the real Oval Office, that isn't gentlemen. The president of the United States. Warning, PLEASE take your seats and how real presidents US TV to further their own goals. 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We're gonna run a fake. And so he's there. And he's lined up there on the, the correct hash there. Correct distance. He's ready for it. He looks Viteri calls it. And as he turns around Troy, palm all over forty three moves over into that hole, where he's going to be writing, and immediately his heart stops, and he realizes I've got a I've got to kill the play. I've got to kill the play and they end up just kicking field goal. And he talks openly about how he blames Troy Paula Malo for killing his dreams score. A touchdown. He's a dream killer because. Because he had everything perfect until Paula Malai Lateran those films, he, he just moved over into whole and he wasn't able to run the play. But with that I, I Brian Lance Williams and Lance what's going on? What's happening Jeff? We are team gray shirt today. Yeah. Happening now much I was. Reminiscent about slash. I think that's when you to into this show now. Interesting story about that nickname. Okay. Go for it. So as you most of you guys on the site and listened to the show. You guys know that I'm from Manchester from the north side community. Maybe about seven minutes. Eight minutes, ten minutes tops from Heinz field, the nickname slash actually comes from my uncle. And because my uncle. Did a whole bunch of different things very well. So he could cut hair train dogs. Do this. It was like slash this slash this last that slash this. And so somehow that nickname from him to court L, they start calling Cordell slash on the north side, 'cause he can do a whole bunch of different things, and somehow it stuck. Well, so that's my uncle's nickname. Mongol to bass last couldn't pass but when he was slash he was fun to watch. That guy was an EMMY. Yeah, you'll slashes personally responsible for giving me a migraine headache. When they lost to the patriots AFC championship game. Yes when they scored one offense. Touchdown won the game because slash was. You know what roms was slash? Yes, we. Yeah. He was ever remember past that he overthrew by ice. Whereas ten yards. Aka, Mr. Shenley park. Not going to get there. So let's, let's go back. I talked earlier on the show about the drama and the Steelers and Joey pours comments will be yours what were your what was your takeaway on, Joey Porter's start with what he said about that? I'm so numb to it all. But you know the one thing about it is, you know, he's been in that locker room he's still with bin as a player in dealt with been as a coach. Now, you know, if you wanna hear a voice that could be true could be not, but a person at least is qualified to talk about. The matter is Joey porter whether you believe Joey or not, that's up to you. But it's not as if it's a guy outside the locker room myself yourself any other podcast that hasn't been in the locker room that isn't privy to. That's making the comments a person that was privy to it. And so, you know, this is Joe is opinion, you either believe it or you don't. Right. But what he said, should not come as a shock anyone. Right. I mean he said then was selfish. Okay. I am too. I am too. I'm selfish with my time. So I am too. You can't do that. Good. If you aren't selfish to a certain extent. I mean, you've got to protect your time guard time prepare just be a selfish guy. I mean ended the day, your responsibilities to win not be unselfish. Yeah. That was I didn't like that segment. I mean just seemed kind of forced it kind of seemed like didn't wanna really talk about it all that much. But they were asking questions and he's probably little bit bitter as well. I would imagine because he probably feels that he should still be coaching there. But what he said about Devin Bush was a little bit different. And this is where he said that the defense typically had to allocate two possibly three players to fill in for what Ryan shazier did, and he thinks Devon Bush will be able to basically go in there, and they won't have to do as much around him to cover for that position. Lance, you hear that? What are your thoughts? He didn't really do. He didn't scout haven't Bush he's not an inside linebacker coach. What are your thoughts that coming from him? I mean it's like asking Picasso to pay with a spray can. I mean you know you think of the defensive coordinator he thinks the defensive staff that now that they've got all of the pieces in play. We could actually go out there and paint we can paint. We create we can actually run the defense as we see fit in actually call it the way we've schemed it in designed it because we don't have to make this, you know, we don't have to create a work of art with spray paint. Or the Mona Lisa would spray pain that we have all the resources that we need to create do this defense like we want. So we could actually go out there and scheme and play. So it'll be exciting to see what the defense looks from that perspective. I agree. I think that it's, you know, at least he does have the tangible 's the lettuces in the measurable 's to you'd think to do what Ryan shazier did. In terms of silent sideline covering tight ends. There are some question marks will have to be answered. But at the same time on paper, I could see that now the one the one thing I really go ahead. Lance jobs, they joke. We should we should just instead of like measurable intangibly should say the bulls. He has a bolt. Oh bold. Let's just go to sure he has the Ables, so it's tangible 's intangibles measurable 's whatever Ables, he's has the bulls, so their balls in the middle of the defense. Hey, let's see what happens true. Now, the one thing I did want to make sure that. You I want to hear your thoughts were Jiji's species comments. I talked about it was he throwing shaded Antonio Brown when he said to the media that, hey look, I'm going to be around going to be available. I'm not going to be a whole course he was. He followed my if you guys listen to my last my last podcast or year I said it now been Rothlisberger should take the middle road. I gave a little, you know couple in structures on how you take the middle road in the middle road is simply, you know how can you throw shade in a way that does not call attention to the person that you're throwing shade? Any did it perfectly? He used pronouns. He didn't say a name he left it up to interpretation from anybody that listened to it. So he was vague enough. He got his point across. So if the person who heard it listen to it, they might think he was talking about it, somebody else, they might not think it was the perfect answer. Again, juju gets it. Yeah. I think that and I said this earlier, I think that ultimately he you'd be foolish to think that Judy didn't learn something from around his work ethic his ability to be a transcendent player. But at the same time, there's a lot that he could learn from Tony Brown. Terms of how not to do things in the media hated. The fact that this guy he went from this awesome character in the locker. I mean when he was in Tonio Brown. Everyone loved him. He did. They what was the show. Steelers dot com. A little five minute video that they will do once a week and Antony round would walk around the interview other players and stuff. And that was what everyone saw and it was awesome. And it was funny. If you're in the live chat go, I I'm trying to think of that any of that he ended up passing the baton to juju. He didn't wanna do any more and he would only enter get interviewed on Fridays. What it is. There it is. Thank you mad, what it is named the was the name of the show, and he didn't wanna do anymore. He was then he told the media's only going to be answering questions on Fridays sort of calling itself, Ronald ocean, and Mr. big gest, and that was Mr. big chess was after, but I guarantee of JJ species from looking at this guy, what in the world is going on. You know, intil he's like, okay I'm not going to be in a whole you guys. I'll be around. I'm not gonna just take questions on one day a week. And so, like you said he gets a man he knows how to play the cards and then guess what? The media now. Have you him at a positive light? They're going to be more understanding when a he has a mistake. They're not gonna rip him as much. He gets it. What was the nickname after you said, after Mr. big chest eating when he caught himself Ronald ocean now Ronald ocean? Okay. Oh, maybe that was Frank ocean's. Cousin wasn't was it Franken? I always thought it was Ronald freak oceans to singer jelly nation. Joey ocean. He wasn't Ron Mexico year. Wasn't Billy, Billy ocean. Was Billy ocean? Yes. Carribean can't clean. Yeah. Karaoke delights. Hidden. That's a new milestone for the plague ship podcasts when you mention Billy ocean care being clean on a show. Some out is the Steelers. I feel like you've been doing it long enough. We've reached the Billy ocean mile sent you. Don't rush Morrish? Yes. Caribbean. Queen. A heartbeat is one, no more love on the run. So, you know. Yeah, that's true. That's a great. My dad listened to him Kern up for anyone. So liens real quick. OT as week one. What do you draw from that? If anything we got a lot of quotes, we video of players being interviewed not a lot of news in terms of on field performance, but you're not going to get that 'cause it's as my Thomas calls and football shorts. So what were your thoughts on T as week once I'm gonna be honest? You have, you know me when it comes to. Here's my thoughts are your thoughts. Let's, let's be let's call us feta's video, you don't have to say is not as you could just say, Jeff, the only thing that I ever follow is the regular season. Pretty much like training camp like free season. I'm watching about in. Actually, like pre-season will actually I don't, but I say that I do because I feel like I need to say actually, don't. You're, you're probably right. Jeff. I just looked for injuries man. Like Reuben foster tours ACL. Like I know that because that was a big injury. Montly thing is looks long guys are injured. And you know they're not on a police blotter. Hey, it's a winning day for the Steelers. And I think that. At least you're honest Shaw's about it. I mean, I have to follow this stuff. I mean, I'm the one of the rights UTA recap after every frigging that's gotta be tough. Not so much, because I'm not there. If I was for the writers there, I'm sure that, you know, you're taking audio and your transcribing, and that's gotta be long by for me, as a second hand news source were taken taking videos of people putting on Twitter. I'm giving some Asians of it just kind of putting it into a nice little box for people that don't want to spend. Two hours, reading six articles, Beto TA's will here's a good thirty minutes. You can win watch videos, watch them interviews. That's just the way I do it. So there you have it. But I don't know. Oh my gosh. Days skill feels in the live chat quoting deletion get outta my dream get outta my dreams and into my car. That's another song. Yes. And Billy ocean had a Jerry curl. So that tells you how long ago that was while. Yeah. That was a long time ago. So he requested from heath. He said, well, jeez. You become Pittsburgh Zoll timely receiver during his career. He says, no because he'd likely have to go through a quarterback transition, what are your thoughts on that lands? I agree. You know, he's playing with a franchise quarterback now hall of Famer he won't be after what was it twenty twenty one. It's down here. Yeah. Uh-huh. After that, he's, so you'd better put up mosh numbers until did because after that it could be like Larry FitzGerald. He, he better pray that he puts a monster. Numbers in he better pray that. Mason Rudolph for Joshua Dobbs, turn out to be something special because. Very. Could it be special leaving my personal opinions on this aside? This is just we're just trying to stay neutral. You know, you've been you've been people have been attacking you. People have been attacking you on behind the curtain dot com and Bo. The guy that called you the I key guy, he said you're negative Nellie. He was going off in the live chat, not too long ago. That's right. I had to do a show coming up addressing that. Yes, that'll be that'll be coming up in a couple of days where you actually are you clapping back a little bit? You know, not not a real clapback. I mean, there's a difference between a hater in a critic like there's a different. So I needed to point that out on the show next week or coming up this week Dave, I'm so often with holidays, he actually today Sunday and it's not it's Monday. And yeah, yeah. Way off. So you know that didn't want to be long show that wasn't a ton of talk about. We're getting ready to start at TA's second week, will start tomorrow, which is Tuesday, which is most of you'll be hearing this episode in then we'll be back next weekend. Hopefully back to our normal day Sunday and get that scheduled out and back to normal swing and things Atlanta's or anything you want to say to the Steeler, faithful out there 'cause you missed the first portion of the show, which was planned by the way, I want people thinking to answer just like late. I was late. I was I was sorta late. Like I say Steeler fan be patient, too bad that the season isn't like vendors in game where we could do a time skipping get to September, but, you know, these are the dog days that are necessary in building a championship unit. You build characters team during TA's during training camp and door this time. This is where a lot of the heavy lifting is done in a foundational pieces are put in place where they started stalling offense, installing defense. This is this is the we see the fruit of this labor in September. But you know this stuff has to happen for you to see quality football in September. It's just takes a long time to get to September. Yeah. Now you're right. And as I say that we have a super Chad Felicia gives five bucks. We appreciate it. She's she's giving. She's giving us a lot of a little bit each show. We appreciate our team has always been the AFC team to beat the patriots just won their sixty win lose tie where the click bait for the news that's regarding the headline of this episode, which is when will the drama size because the Steelers moved the needle period. So I wanna finish this show up by not only thanking everyone watches in comments on Memorial Day. Hopefully, everyone that lives in the continental United States. Merica takes a moment to just think about those of serve the country dad, whether it's passed obviously moral day, we will moralize those that lost their lives, while serving and active duty. I know that my grandfather served in the army and the Korean war was wounded. But thankfully was not a kill. Old. I had some other veterans the family, I've gotten to know I know there's one gentleman that he works out at the gym where I work out, and he's a Vietnam veteran and this is a great guy. He talked about doing two tours of yet, nam, because he wanted to get his college education. They told him they went back right away that he would get his education faster and he'd be done, and the stories he tells about the man that did make it back. Absolutely frightening. Absolutely frightening. And so, I urge you to do anything if you're listening to this, if you see someone that is openly, wearing a, you know, Vietnam veteran hat, or if you're lucky enough. See a World War veteran makes you just go up and say, thank you. They do appreciate it. They might not wanna talk in depth like my buddy at the Jim does. But ultimately, I'm thankful. And I knew Lancer thankful to for all this people that serve our country overseas in here at home. It's, it's. Not overlooked, at least on my parlance. I'm sure you would echo that correct second. That my Granddad was a World War, Two vet my father in law like your friend at the gym did. Two tours Vietnam. And so. So definitely I have a ton of entrance in my family. So definitely I, I share that Senate. Absolutely. And so, when you think about it that way, talking about the Steelers is just really not that important. Talking to the game. Again, it's sometimes it's good to think that way because I think sometimes people take it so serious. And they even forget that, you know, I have no control over the outcome of this game. We're just fans we're just watching this, and, and we're trying to enjoy it and stuff. And so it's just one of those things where, you know, a little bit of brevity to the situation and, you know, understanding that it's important to us because we love it. But at the same time, it's not that especially OT as week, one is not important. So go ahead and sign is out Lanston the show. It is always to tell a friend and subscribe, how I will see you next week for another upset of the standard is the standard.

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Let's Ride: The Steelers versatility makes them a very dangerous team

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Let's Ride: The Steelers versatility makes them a very dangerous team

"This is. Sam. I'm an assistant managing editor at The New York Times. Our newsroom has been empty since March a we've been busier than ever before the pandemic has changed how we work, but it hasn't changed what we do. This is why we became journalists to bring to light real verified information when the stakes couldn't be higher. We can't do this work with our subscribers. If you'd like to subscribe, please go to NY TIMES DOT com slash subscribe, and thanks. steeler. Fans. What is going on? This is Jeff Hartman. Co Editor of behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com with you for your Monday Wednesday. Friday let's ride podcast Mondays podcast I always say m technically pm we run this at noon because we want the post game show to get enough a chance to breathe a little bit in the morning in. It's another victory Monday that is right. The steelers are perfect. Still Fido they shellac they beat down they dismantle whatever adjective you WANNA use to describe the steelers thirty, eight seven win over the Cleveland. Browns have at it because on this Monday, every single person that's ever been on twitter facebook instagram that said the steelers haven't. Played anybody the steelers have look at the record of the teams they've eaten more. You know what you can say that now you can't say that now, can you steelers beat the full formerly four and one Cleveland Browns eight, one, four games in a row they lose in week one Baltimore they rattled off four straight wins and then they go and face the buzzsaw that is the Pittsburgh steelers boy do we have a lot to talk about today? We're GONNA talk about the steelers versatility. We're GONNA talk about Devon Bush with the steelers are going to do with that position now that his season is over and then in the second half we're GonNa get into winners and losers. Or winners and losers this week I'll tell you that the tease a little bit but you know the funny thing is is. Let's start off with the versatility. I grow up. I don't know why I think my grandmother maybe someone else would always tell me that there's many ways to skin a cat and look the you're a person out there I'm not talking about actually getting a cat it's it's it's a phrase it's a euphemism There's many ways it's GonNa cat in I think that in the NFL. In the National Football League, my Gosh, if you can. Somehow Some way be a team that is ridiculously versatile. In, they can beat you in multiple ways. You are on the fast track to, success period. This Pittsburgh steelers team. Is that type of team. Period. If you think about the way, this dealers have one game so far this year it's almost been a different story every single time week one, Ben Rothlisberger comes back. He's rusty. The offense makes just enough plays the defense step supplements. Do you think about cam hayward's really awkward interception in the end zone on off a Daniel? Johns week to. You know everyone's thinking. It's going to be a blow out, but it's not the steelers offense does enough to win the Broncos came back. They find a way to win week three, HOUSTON. The steelers look pretty bad in the first half defensively they come into pitch a shutout in the second half dominant performance in the second half, they win the game. Obviously against the Eagles was the offense had to lead the way in Poi- I'll tell you what? I don't know I'm trying to think to myself the last time the steelers had a complete performance like they had on Sunday at Heinz field against the Cleveland browns meaning. The steelers could do whatever they wanted. They literally do whatever they wanted. They wanted to run it they can run it. They wanted to throw it. They could throw it on the flip side of that the browns could do nothing. They could do nothing they were struggling to just run the football. They didn't do that. Kareem hunt finishes with forty yards rushing thirteen carries. Now yes dontrelle Hilliard he chimed in for twenty nine yards. A lot of that was in garbage time. They're their total of seventy five yards. That's a little generous in my opinion. I think that it's not generous. It's number you can't. You can't debate a number but. That was not indicative of them. Actually rushing for seventy five yards not even close the forty yards hunt. Yeah. That's a little bit more indicative of what that dominance was look looking like. The one thing though I, I hate to just kind of narrow it because the defense played so well, and I'm going to talk about the defense shore but. I'm looking at this team from an offensive standpoint. From an offensive standpoint. Just. Go back to last week. Just go back to last Sunday Philadelphia Eagles coming into Pittsburgh Okay and you had chased labels coming out party and we all know the stat line hundred and ten yards receiving three receiving touchdowns one rushing touchdown. It was an aerial attack. There was an aerial attack it was it was fun to watch fun to watch they put up thirty eight points last week. This week was a different story. They. Still put up thirty eight points, but they didn't necessarily do it by just throwing the ball I crazy. Now granted they did have seven points defensively. Klay Pool and James. Watson led the steelers with seventy four, sixty, eight yards receiving respectively. It was James Connor and the running game that did it this this time I said this on twitter. And I Ben Rothlisberger Sedatives Post game show. So I said it during the game especially that lasted were really long drive in the fourth quarter really Kinda seal the deal. Iraqi's were said I can't remember the last time I had to. I got pulled with eight minutes left in as a good thing. They got Mason Rudolph in there. It gives them a break, but I this is an old school bill. Callard Room. That is Dr. Check the tape I check my twitter feed you can follow me at j Hartman underscore not as it. This is an old school drive. There's no passing unless you have to throw it. It is Louie hand the ball off three yards hand off four yards, hand the ball off I down. I think the only through the ball once or twice in that entire drive and it was capped off with a touchdown run. By Bennie Snell it was a great thing to watch. It just goes to show you that I think that this steelers offense in particular. And we'll get the second, but this offense in particular is so ridiculously versatile. Matatus fantasy football of. I play Fan. If you listen to my show, you listen to our other shows with that I'm on especially the steelers preview I always talk about Vandal I like daily fantasy football, not a traditional guy anymore because I don't like how I like the sporadic I wanna play this guy this week not next week. So anyways, I used to always in guys would always make fun of me. I would play a ton of steelers on my lineup because I would I know the team well enough and have these hunches man this guy's GonNa do really really well, this guys matchup is really I think he could really explode this week I, do that all the time. I can't do that this year at least not yet. Because outside of Ben Rothlisberger who didn't really have a huge stat line this week. The steelers did it in a way they hadn't done it yet James Caan rushes for one. Oh, one and a touchdown on twenty carries hit a five point. One Yard average has a really good average for twenty carries. You look at the receiving threats Keizo I actually started Juju Smith Schuster this week. I think it. Okay. Clay will he had a great game last week? They're going to be really focusing on him. They WANNA. Take him away. Juju is going to be the ones going the no, it was James Washington. James Washington was single covered and that's why early in the game they were going to him often Juju. Smith Schuster ended with two catches for six yards I'm not mad I don't even think Jujubes Mad I'm just frustrated with the fact that from a fantasy football perspective I can't lean on my old Goto of just playing steelers because I knew what was coming I no one knows what's coming. That includes the opposition in. That's what makes this offense dynamic you WanNa know what still really scary I mean really scary. They're not even close to a finished product yet. Not even close this steelers football team. This steelers offense is. Still a work in progress. They're averaging over thirty points already. They scored thirty eight in the last two weeks and they're just starting to get humming. And couldn't have come at a better time not just with the Browns coming to Pittsburgh in their first AFC north game. But also the fact that the slate that's coming up is tough. And you're playing defense is like the Tennessee Titans in the Baltimore Ravens in back to back weeks on the road. Where you're going to have to win games in different fashion. I think back to the teams that have won super bowls in the Ben Rothlisberger. Era. I think this is the most diverse offense of that era. Meeting. In two thousand and five they kind of one despite Ross Spur Rhino he had that great playoff run the super bowl of just awful for him. They still found a way to win, but they were run heavy team. They're run heavy team. They love the gadget play run heavy teams, and you think bags like doesn't eight nine. That's season. It was it was never like this. Yeah. You had hines ward. You had San Antonio Homes Willie Parker but at the same time it was The offensive line wasn't this good. This is the most complete offense I think. In the Ben Rothlisberger era. In. They're still getting better now a lot of people will look at Ben Rothlisberger that went off about this Wednesday that there's all there's deficiencies. There's always deficiencies with the player think back to I don't care if Peyton Manning Tom Brady in their prime. There were still areas of their game that were not the best. Now those deficiencies can be glaring those deficiencies can just via just something that you talk about. But at the same time, every player hazard efficiencies, but you know what? I hope that if you're a steelers fan waking up on Monday and he just got that yet feel-good feeling down your gut because your favorite team just went out and beat the living daylights out of a rival. I hope you also realize that this defense. Is Truly something special. And I give my Tomlin, a ton of credit. He was the one that said in his Tuesday press conferences. Last last week he was asked about the secondary he's Mike coach. What do you think about your secondary? They've been given up a third downs been given up big plays. He said look it's it's still too early to draw major conclusions. This is a group that if you said the same thing in two, if you look back in two thousand, nineteen year probably saying the same thing. Well, in their fifth game, they sure looked like they got it back in what they got back was the versatility. The Mo jail they got it back. And it all started third and seven. The browns first offensive possession. MINKA fitzpatrick pick six. It is amazing. What a dynamic Minka fitzpatrick brings to the steelers defense I fact trust over words. I've been the one that's critical of him. I have been critical of him the last three weeks saying, where's Minka because when the secondary's getting torched? Where's the guide is supposed to be the field general in the back end? Where's the guy that? When he traded a first round pick everyone said man when he got in the communication was great we were all. Great is everything was great. Where where was that guy? Well, he was back. And he made a statement right away. Right away. I have yet to see I seen replays of that play. I'm really anxious to see if our Jeffrey Benedict will highlight navy mink of his badge in the secondary love to see a breakdown how exactly the steelers are changing things up. But as I just talked about the versatility on offense. Holy. Cow Versatility on defense. Now. The injury Devin Bush is gonNA throw rankled and I'll get to that in a second. But when you look at this defense from front seven to deep safety. Holy, cow. Not a Lotta weaknesses. I'm just GONNA put it that way not a lot of weaknesses. Okay to takeaways on Sunday Yet Mega. Mega Fitzpatrick's six. And then you had Cameron Sutton coming down with the zone interception. Joe. Haden could had his own interception yet. He got called for defensive contact was not defensive holding maybe it was not pass interference, but still the penalty negated the interception. But. This steelers defense if they can get their secondary just. where it was on Sunday. On a consistent level. A we're having to look back in point out like two or three, legitimately two or three plays. Out of all of the plays at the Cleveland Browns Ran, they threw it twenty eight times. They ran a twenty two out of all of those plays. If we are trying to nitpick one or two where I duNno Baker Mayfield Finds Austin Hooper open and he scrambles Gigi. Rumbles down the field for twenty plus or touchdown the lone touchdown. To hours his name Higgins Rashard Higgins. If that's what we're going to. If that's all we're GONNA. Be Able to complain about Data Great Day if the steelers can find is a little bit of consistency with secondary in it matches up with that pass rush. Watch out. Watch out. Because you talk about versatility, they could beat you in a myriad of ways they could blitz you to death. To the point where your quarterback like Baker Mayfield on Sunday visibly didn't want to be there anymore. You could tell it in his eyes he was hurt. In. It was that hit by. Kim Hayward at the end of the first half bud debris at his legs cam came from behind him next. You know he's looking up through his chinstrap and he got up slow. You knew I don't care if he's going to be quoted by saying Mama didn't raise no WUSS I don't care if he's Does come back in the third quarter. You knew that deep down inside the little voice in Baker's had was saying, please don't put me out there again. That's what this defense can do. That's what this defense can do. But you know the defense did take a huge hit. A huge hit losing Devon Bush on the inside is a huge hit to this defense. Not only is he a tackling? He's the communicator on the defense he's. Boise come into his own this year and it didn't really pop off the screen a lot of fans and I haven't really noticed. Devon Bush. Well a Lotta Times. It's because he's doing his job. I mean he has gotten some taxi had half sack in the game on Sunday before he got injured. But no, he hasn't had the splash plays. He had as a rookie you think about. The interception he had in la against the chargers on Sunday night football. Last year, you think about the fumble recoveries, he had some of those plays just. They just fall into your lap and he's made those plays. But at the same time, they're gonNA miss him coverage his athleticism, his speed. I'm not sure what the steelers are. GonNa. Do I have got a lot of text messages? A lot of mentions in questions on twitter and social media that Hey, Jeff, what do you think they're gonNA do are they gonna go out and sign someone? ARE THEY GONNA? What's The steelers plan first off I don't know. I don't know whether plan is I wish I did of the interesting to hear some of their conversations. I think they're definitely going to look. And see WHO's available. Now that they would bring them into start but just to bring them into the fold, maybe it's someone office someone's practice squad. Think back to win the steelers went out and got you know a couple of practice squad players last year. did they picked up the running back? From. Chicago I believe they got Cain wide receiver from Indianapolis. So they they are. Doing that maybe that's what they do. Maybe they try to find someone on a practice squads, not gonNA cost a ton of money they're active they've been in a training camp they've been in practices maybe they do that. But I think that ultimately they're gonNA roll with who they have. A Roberts. Lane I talked about this in the post game podcast. Even listen to go check it out. There's two parts part one and part to check them out both. We talk about the offense one defense in the other. So you don't want to hear what the other. Bravo explains thumper. He's an old school downhill thumper not a huge guy. He's not overly athletic either and so him him next Vince Williams you have a great run stopping duo their coverage not so much now, what's the deal with you list Gilbert the third? That's the question. Everybody wants to know in no one, an answer no one has an answer. No one knows no one knows what is going on with you g three the guy that was. Claiming headlines not just behind the steel curtain dot com but for the Tribune review, the Post Gazette. They were all talking about Ugg three ulysses. Gilbert two thirds going to be there answer for replacing Mark Bear and those are the headlines. The kid can't even get a helmet on Game Day. And then Marcus Allen. Safety they moved him down to linebacker a little bit. A Mike Tomlin after the game on Sundays, it's going to be a community approach kind of. They're gonNA need everyone to help. It's not it might. It might be a position where it's not just the lane. He might get the brunt of the wraps that they're going to need to lean on ugg three and maybe Marcus Allen on. To try and help fill that gap because those are some big big shoes to fill. I feel horrible for Devon, Bush. If there's any silver lining in this cloud. It is the fact that. The injury happened in week five, I'm sorry week six. And Not in week sixteen. So devin Bush will rehab he will be ready to go for twenty, twenty one. That's the only silver lining here. Other than that. You feel absolutely sick for the young man. He was having a great year I. Know Bounce Back You know Ho- bounce back. But the steelers have got to keep moving might donald says got someone's GonNa jump on a moving train we'll see that is when a Tomlin meets with the media on Tuesday? In the meantime we are some winners and losers to discuss here too. Winners. Losers. Stadium. This is Mark Lacey National Editor at The New York Times as we head into a pivotal election, it's our mission to find answers to the questions you have that means analyzing what the candidates are saying, but it also means looking deeply at the issues from an economy under stress to a national reckoning on racism every day we do the research. So we can help you make an informed decision. None of this work would be possible without our subscribers if you'd like to subscribe to times go to ny times. Dot. com slash subscribe. All Right Pittsburgh steeler fans. Jeff Harvard here for the second part of this. Let's ride Monday. PODCAST is a victory. Monday that is right. Boy feels good to wake up on your favorite football team is five in. The Green Bay packers lost yesterday. So that means there's another one down. Three. Unbeaten teams left. The Seattle seahawks were on a by this past Sunday the Tennessee titans who barely came back and beat the Houston Texans in overtime and your Pittsburgh steelers. So. Titans and steelers play next week that one of them's GonNa lose one on Canalis. But in the meantime, let's talk about some winners and losers I forgot to do this last week Diaz for the kind of fired up after that games. Here we have some winners and losers after week six. Let's talk about the winners I. I gotta give it to me Fitzpatrick, my first winter. Not really any order if you fall in the winters less, you're a winner. Okay. Fitzpatrick only had one tackle, but he had a pass defense and interception, and he scored a flipping touchdown. It was that moment I was so close to going on twitter because I tweet during the Games because it just way for me to get my thoughts out in saying ballgame. Literally, Ballgame. I watched the offense drive. Down the field the ended end, they end up with a Chris Boswell field goal but they will good in that Dr that opening drives, they had a good feeling from that and then make a pick pick six. I was so close Zane game over ballgame. Thanks for playing Brown's hit the hit the turnpike that's what I wanted to say. But I. DIDN'T I restrained. But basically was when you look in hindsight that was the turning point that was the turning point game. The game wasn't the same after that you're down to scores and you haven't even had the ball a second time and all of a sudden next thing you know the blink of an either down twenty four nothing. Down Twenty four nothing next Odell Beckham Junior's taking his shoes off. Jarvis Landry is crying on the sideline Baker Mayfield's getting popped every single time he drops back. A good day mega fitzpatrick started all of that. Some people will complain say that I'm a homer which I am in some people will say de apologised which I am I'm not apologizing for Ben Rothlisberger being on the winners list this week. Yeah. I have in there he finished fourteen of twenty two for one, hundred, sixty, two yards he threw a touchdown he had a one. Oh, one rating. No interceptions. Can we as it throwing his earn eleven touchdowns One interception. This season The gunslinger that we all have shown frustrations within our time. steeler fans. He seems to be playing more conservative brand football he didn't need to relieve. Stress the field too many times he took with the defense gave them and honestly. What they gave him was pretty much. I'll take a at twenty two throws it. Fourteen to twenty two, it's over fifty percent obviously, but I love the fact that Rothlisberger played well enough. The offense played well enough that they were able to get Mason Rudolph in and get him some games because honestly. Other ben managed the game. Well, he didn't. He made the deters he checked a lot of boxes for me in this game he really did checked a lot of boxes. He had a really nice deep throw to James Washington D. through to chase. Klay Pool another great outrivalled beautiful throw Washington did not bring it in but that was a good throw Ben Rothlisberger is getting those intermediate passes back folks. That's a really good sign. Next winter is James Connor. How do you not put James Connor. Twenty carries one hundred and one yards, one touchdown and a five point one yards per carry. This was maybe the best game I've seen from James Connor going back to his pro bowl year. because. That was in two thousand, Eighteen James Caan ran hard but he ran smart. He took the way took what was given he didn't. He didn't rush there a couple of times I, wish he would follow his blockers a little bit better, James Connor definitely a winner, the offensive line the steelers rushed for over one hundred twenty yards total. We talked about Connors One oh, one, they only gave up two sacks. The only gave up two sacks. That's big. myles Garrett was basically a no show. He did come down with one of those sacks and that was not on the offensive line. They did a great job blocking Garrett in Dan is held onto the ball little too long. Those two sacks I wouldn't put on the offensive line, the other sack, the browns just they brought to many for the steelers to block. In because of that. They didn't have the right play doubt up I'm shocked Rothlisberger didn't call timeout, but still only given up two sacks. This offensive line is really starting to come to form in member Galvez Kevin. Dotson that's still shoe core for. So a lot of people were concerned about the steelers offensive Lineman David Decastro was hurt album is all of training camp. They were not sure what to do in Zach banner went down. All is quiet on the. Home. Front will put it that way next winner the rush defense they gave up seventy five total yards rushing and held kareem hunt to forty yards. This was a statement game for this rush defense why it was the number one rushing offense in the NFL coming to town and we all said Dave Scofield's We all started on the preview it strength versus strength who's going to lead. The steelers that's WHO's GonNa win seventy five total yards, and again a lot thirty yard yardage came in garbage time when case keenum was in but still seventy five yards Qaeda's to the rush defense. Let's go to the pass rush. The pass rush these numbers in in in and of itself are not really indicative of how good this front seven blade. Force acts. That's great. Little off their pace of FIFA game before sacks. Seven quarterback hits okay. They hit Mayfield seven times I. It goes more than that I'm sure he would agree with me that he felt it was more than that. It had six tackles for losses that was a tremendous effort by the past are slashed the front seven great game dominated dominating performance. But let's not forget the defensive backs. They also found their way on the winners list two interceptions they scored a touchdown in the only gave up one hundred and sixty five yards through the air that is a huge step forward for a secondary that was. Questioned a lot. The last few weeks about Shawn Watson really lighting them up in the first half Carson Wentz had his way with Tyler fulcrum in week five, the steelers responded in it's not like the browns don't have weapons they do. They have the joke who they have hooper. They have Odell Beckham. They have Jarvis, Landry Rashard Higgins one hundred and sixty five yards. They allowed Cuba's to the defensive backs gotTa push as Klay there. Again I didn't think it was going to happen I didn't think he was going to have a game like he did last week it wasn't as dynamic as he only scored one touchdown but. He comes out with four sections seventy four yards receiving four targets. He's caught every single ball thrown his way. He gets a rushing touchdown in eighteen and a half yard average chase Klay pool is becoming a stud right in front of our very eyes. No buyer's remorse here. Jk Dobbins can have fun of Baltimore James Washington. He's my last winter I. thought that he he was the guy. We talked about the versatility, pick your poison of the steelers offense. Okay. WHO's it going to be this week? What's tough to pick but whoever it is this week The steelers. Player in this case, James Washington has to actually perform and make those catches and performing win that battle. The steelers offense is built around mismatches finding a way to get a good matchup in then exploiting. If you don't have the player to exploit it. It doesn't matter James Washing was at guy finished with four receptions sixty eight yards. He had a touchdown on seven targets with a seventeen yard average a great game by James Washington it was great to see him. Over to the loser side. Honestly. There's only one loser and it really wasn't even a player is a bunch of players. It's not that they played poorly, it's got hurt the loser was injuries, injuries, injuries, injuries, Devin Bush talked about him in the first segment losing him doing a C.. L. Heartbreaking. But also Marquees pouncey. Has it he left foot again I'm not sure if that's a re injury if they just resting it. Did get mentioned by Tomlin in the Post game press conference. We'll see how that goes. You can't. You'd hate to see Markey's pouncey loss for any significant amount of time because he has played in my opinion at a pro bowl level so far this season and then even Mike Hilton the very versatile defensive back he left the game with a shoulder injury again, because the game was out of hand, could he have gone back in I? Don't know was this. Like a a shoulder injury. TJ Watt had last week where he missed time went back in. He didn't miss any games. We'll see Tomlin recap that. But without. Hilton. In the lineup, they actually is pretty incredible. They just lane out wide in the move Steven Nelson inside on the slot. Not sure if that was just an in game adjustment or if that's something, they would do down the road if my Hilton was unable to play for a game or two. Those injuries are awful. I hate injuries because you WanNa see teams, and this is on the opponents. I do you WanNa see teams at full strength because you WANNA see who actually is the best team That's what I WANNA see. 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REShow: Devin Bush. Hour 1 (03-14-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Devin Bush. Hour 1 (03-14-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. I'm ready to take the next step. I'm ready for university. That will help me advance in my education and career university. That will make me feel supported an connected and ready for ODU online. Click set or go to online dot EDU today. Everybody. Welcome to this Thursday. Dish of the rich Eisen show live from the AT and T studios community in Los Angeles, California. I'm pleased that you are joining us here for this three hour frolic. Chris Brockman, good to see you. I'm doing. Well. Thank you. I I got through the day yesterday. Three hours hours at the NFL had the most viral moments. Let's put it that way. Yeah, we'll get. We'll get to that later on that was apparently on Ohio call us for four to four ritual. We'll discuss all statues going up right now. I think bakers adele's. Go up, Freddie. Your your fourth or LeBron's? If six well-done vers, okay, lots going on in this world. So I should I should I should learn to stick with my October thirtieth self what do I mean by that not just that? I'm getting ready for my for my my Halloween, costume, get ready to trick or treat but his on that day. I did get that day. Correct. October thirtieth two thousand eighteen correct. I handed out the Larry Francis O'Brien trophy to the Golden State Warriors. And the rest of the regular season had some ups and downs. They lost seven games in November, including the moment here in Los Angeles. Where Durant and and drain on went at it. And and they barked at each other and drain on gotta a one game team suspension, and that was born out of in a way barking at Durant about the impending July first free agency. And and then they get boogie cousins back healthy and they start dominating again. But then came this last week, the Celtics and the warriors their worst home loss of the Steve Kerr era, and then the Suns beat them the Suns beat them, and in that process boogie cousins was being the word liability was being thrown around. I guess the word liability has been attached to both Gordon Hayward and DeMarcus. As both of them are still trying to get off of catastrophic leg related injuries to get back to their previous all star selves get their conditioning their game worthiness. Ready? Back to back to normal. And so we're all wondering how in the world. They're going go in Houston, which is lost. Only once in the second half of the season year in Los Angeles to the Lakers game where they blew it. And we all remember Chris Paul talking about how there's I don't know if Scott foster done at other rockets game since then it'll be interesting to look into that the referee who the rockets accused of being biased. And they've they've lost since that one day nine straight Durant. Her last night did not play warriors come up with a win. Whereas the w. Durant hurt. Boogie cousins his best game as a warrior twenty seven point season, high seven assists season-high couple of steals as well. Crucial block shot early on in the game Klay ads thirty Steph curry twenty four even though he was three for nine from three point range. There you have there. You have come out with the one possession win last night. One of six one zero four and here comes Goldstein again. Now Denver's right behind him game and half. I understand. And what do we learn from this? What do we learn from this because it's the only warriors win against the rockets this year and all four games that they play against each other this year. The teams none of the teams were at full strength. Let's put it this way. There was there wasn't one game in which both teams were full strength game. One rockets. Drop warriors. No curry game too. Rockets beat warriors. No, Chris Paul game. Three was after the game here in Los Angeles to open the second game of the season in which again, second half the season in which the rockets lost and all of a sudden heart had what that that that injury that we didn't see him have in Los Angeles. He sat that one out rockets win that one. Then the warriors go to Houston after losing to the sons. Fingers being pointed with Klay Thompson at the fans, and maybe everybody else in and we all know that Steve Kerr had problems with Draymond approach in that game. Right. Then they then they go to Houston, minus Durant. So Houston wins the season series three ring one but game one no curry game to know, Paul game three no hardened game for Durant. So you give the edge to who knows. Pardon me. I should say that Golden State. I'm speaking to my inner October thirtieth self. Whatever is tearing this team asunder apart looking at each other in the face speaking behind each other's backs with who knows what's going on up there. But it's definitely not quiet. Steve Kerr's got that. I don't know. I. I'll say it even though it's maybe not apples to apples. Kurds got that. Mike Tomlin iceberg. We're seeing the tip. Once going on the surface. I think you're right on that. What's going on beneath the surface last year? They won the championship their drying champagne out of their eyes. And we find out that something was going on all your long. That was the worst thing they've ever dealt with. Right. Remember that? I do. Who's that west who said that they west David west said that here we deal with some all your long thing we ever dealt with. We never found out. What that was. All right. Steve Kerr man that was incredible last night. Just watching it was a fun game fun game. And congrats to down Morio, a friend of the program. He had a five year contract extension yesterday. He's vying. So I should just listen to my interactive over thirty itself and not get too crazy. Oklahoma City one last night as well. They're forty two and twenty six that's impressive the pistons of cooled off a little bit as the heat looks like that they have got a couple a couple of game cushion to try and make the playoffs as the eight c to try and slay Jaanus as the bucks a three game lead. I mean, there's not much drama going on right now. There's no race for the eighth and final playoff spot in the west the clippers four and a half game lead is we're entering mid-march. Not much drama right now, the only drama, I guess is will the Celtics get a home playoff spot the the Pacers keep treading water. Well, enough to stay in front of the Celtics. Home playoff spot. There's going to be a appears to be in the Western Conference right now a game of musical chairs. Thunder rockets blazers one of those will be left without a home court advantage seat in the first round. Utah and the clippers and the Spurs that seems to be a game abuse ical chairs to avoid being the eight seat because you don't wanna play the wars unless they get knocked out of the top spot that's going on in the NBA world and the difference between major league baseball world and the NFL world and free agency could not be more stark as still still Dallas kaikal on sign crazy. Crazy. How good this picture is from the left side. How many people can use that lefty starter? How the hell is this single to not sign right now? On Thursday March fourteenth. We are damn near at the odds of this month, and he is not signed. And in the National Football League. You take a look at NFL dot com. Top fifty free agents top five free agents. We are not yet even twenty four hours into the new league year in the NFL all the deals that we heard that were being struck in the last two days prior to free agency becoming official yesterday and more deals coming Tevin Coleman forty Niners, which I liked a hell of a lot Earl Thomas and Mark Ingram to the ravens, which I like a hell of a lot. If you think of two guys when Earl Thomas and Mark Ingram assigned by the ravens on my. Okay. I get that. I get that Ingram is going to get that ball all lot. And all that stuff that he was running with taste some of this. Here comes. Lamar Jackson and him together. I like that maneuver certainly with Alex Collins no longer with the team, and he was their most productive runner last year and then old Thomas. So there everyone in in in Baltimore's like, oh, we lose Wetzel in the back end. We lose Moseley in the middle part. And we lose suggs in the front four. Now, you've got one of the best ball hawks ever. That's a hall of Famer that they put back there. And Earl Thomas love that maneuver. Here's the difference again with baseball and football. So many free agents of note are still available in major league baseball and first pitch of of the season is just a couple of weeks away. The NFL not even twenty four hours into free agency of the top fifty top free agents listed on NFL dot com. Thirty nine or signed. Already. Movin and shakin. That's what we call a frenzy. That's what we call a friends and gotta get in. While the money's being being handed out you sound Catherine Zied being on the set yesterday in the mic. You know, what the biggest frenzy was Tuesday. When Beckham goes from Cleveland from the giants to Cleveland, and we're all waiting for Lebanon. Bell mix tape drops midnight eastern. Find out. The jets have signed him album brewers coming up in our number three parsing the numbers and Steelers fans that were hoping that Levy on bell would not get the money back that he left on the table last year. It does not look like he's getting the money back right now. And is Adrian Peterson signed a two year eight million dollar deal at his advanced age with Washington, assuming he makes all that money. This is the type of deal again that Levy on bell should expect at that age. One would think when he reaches there? He may not get it in this contract. But he. Thinks he's got the tire treads still left on him to get it later on down the road that when it's all said and done when he hangs up that fourteen and a half million that he left on the table. We'll come back in his pocket and one thing for sure L look in the face. And it'll tell you at least he stood his ground the way he thought he should. Unless it kept a lot of teams away from signing him because they thought we're going to we're going to have done to. Oss what he did to Pittsburgh. And when we come back, I'll tell you something that I heard from some, you know, people who are close to the situation with the giants have said they're concerned about Dell Beckham. Poll question, Chris is we take a break here on the rich Eisen show. We talked about it yesterday. What's hit on today? We're gonna fantasy fantasy football purposes right now who do you take highest and fantasy this coming season the four big names Odell Antonio Brown, levian bell saquon, Barkley K highest and again, three of those four names you're going to hear when I talk about. Next what in the next segment about what I heard about Dell. Obviously Dell's one of them. About what the giants concern of Odell was moving forward. And why he's Cleveland Brown right now. And I've got four downs. A free agency dish into four down coming up next. My thoughts on the giants who I think has won the day already. There's one individual who doesn't even play. Why think is one the free agency day already and not one but two hot takes. Two takes with hot take plank coming up. So you you're not allowed to do. Look. You're not allowed to do Brown's won't pick in the top five. Can't go back to that. We can't go back to the trial. It's over there's nothing to do with the Browns here. They all six best odds. There's nothing to do with the Browns here. Okay. But the takes a red hot seriously you need kevlar. I think Devon Bush from the university of Michigan. It's Michigan's pro day tomorrow. It's clemson's today. It was Oklahoma's yesterday. We'll talk about all that with Albert bell with Albert breer, but Devin Bush, Michigan prospect linebacker who is involved with at home issue. Michigan state thing. I can't wait to ask him about that. That's coming up in this hour and then Steph Davis next hours ions back tonight for Duke. Okay. So all of that stuff. Should he play Willie play willing? Not play. Sure enough. Your is ACC tournament cleared to play. I think he's gonna play a lot. Why not if he's got him out there and these kids these young kids, they certainly can rebound fast. So glad I'm glad to see that. He'll be out there tonight. Seth Davis, Devon Bush and Albert and we come back. What I heard about Odell that you know, we'll see if you take it or not or you like it or not. But this is what I'm being told about his situation in New York with the giants were concerned about that's coming up next year and the rich Eisen show. Okay. This is the thirty second commercial. And I'm gonna throw a lot of numbers that you. But please stay with me. And just fifteen minutes, you could say fifteen percent or more on car insurance. This company's been offering great rates and great service for over seventy five years in anytime, you need help you could speak to one of their train specialists. 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Welcome back to the rich Eisen show. Eight four four zero four rich is the number to dial about four downs segment right here on the show based on on free agency. Here patriots just are keeping on keeping on Chris. Their their word is maybe golden Tate. Yeah. They started started talking to him. They resigned Philip door set. So they they're doing the, right. Standing horse stand that ever Super Bowl team. Trae flowers is a big departure as his Trent Brown. Again. It's going to be those spots they fill look last year wringing your hands over eight solar Trent Brown. So don't think anyone envision. Wind him turning into the type of player he turned into. But it was awesome. When he became stood. So you can't sit here and say, well, this is a major void that can't be filled with the guy that everybody thought was the guy. It went Matt light Nate solar and now Trent Brown. And now the last thing you do want to have is a revolving door at the position to protect your now. Forty two year old would be nice to have a guy. You know, you're gonna have for right five. And then we will. What's what other what holes? Do they have if they wide receiver for sure? Well, they did you see that. They put some form of a tender on. Josh, gordon. The doors open think he might be back next year. Well, or they're just projecting. Just right and keeping them on their radar screen. The right now, the only wide receivers under contract are Philip door set and joined element. Matthew Slater is primarily a special teams. And so again, this is this is the conversation that we have here in front of us with Antonio Brown being paid what he's being paid. And what Dell Beckham is being paid and Albert is on an hour. Number three tweeted out a list of the top receivers on the last ten Super Bowl winners. And none of them are guys who make twenty million dollars a year and the patriots view that position and the running back position as totally fungible. The tight end position as one that. They were the first one let's get to let you know. I know we don't talk about Aaron Hernandez and football terms for great reasons. But it was Aaron Hernandez was a great player and gronk. And so everyone's like, okay, two tight ends. Now. We're seeing that's everywhere. Now in this copycat league. The patriots seem to be a year or two ahead of these major trends helps to have the goat back. They're not. Everyone's got it. Okay. And the saints have won and they just restructured. Drew Brees is contract to allow for more cap space in the idea would be for who could it be to keep Bridgewater in the fold? Because teddy Bridgewater you set a meeting with Miami last night. Yes. So there's all of that. That's the way New England goes about their business. They'll just find the trae flowers will draft another one or they'll figure something out and as long as there's the hoodie, and as long as there's TB twelve it's great to be in that neighborhood, which is why I guess bill's going swimming. Looks like coming out of the ocean going swimming getting ready for the free agents friends. There was no frenzy. They're not. Just lounging on this boat. I'll tell you, whereas if there's a frenzy, and it's a New York City about giants fans who are for Rican out right now. And that's part of my four downs here on the rich Eisen show. Downs with rich. Why did you? Okay. Gary is on it. There's del tufo Zain Dallas doing that that boxing match with those guys know Anya Gerry's in del tufo sees got it working. There you go. That's a great drop. Right. Their way to coke Gary. Okay. I down right here. I'm biased. I'm totally biased because I'm rooting for him. But you have to an end. I would I would criticise when it's critical when it's reasonably critical, and he would totally expect it, but I'm gonna praise it when it's deserved the first two months for Mike Mayock as general manager for the Oakland Raiders is just going fantastically. Well, what do I mean by that look Antonio Brown? Now, a lot of people thinking that it's great negotiator. You gave him thirty million guaranteed when he had zero and you give him twenty million dollars in a way that you know, other teams than have to and you gave up with just gave up a three and a five Rancho Brown, and he had the money he had the cap space, and if you're bringing Tonio Browning your team, and you want to keep them happy, which is the best way to do it. Do you think the Steelers would love to keep having him on these on ener team happy, of course? And the only way you're going to keep him. Happy is to give them the money, then he wants because the money in his mind equals respect as it doesn't anybody's mind in anybody's business. He had the ability to do that. And he did it. And then he got Trent Brown to protect his quarterback by trading way, assembly. And he is made some numerous too. I love the tyro William signing love it. You take him from your team in division for the chargers. And now it's going to be Brown at Williams can be his juju Smith Schuster lack of a better phrase, but you've got to why receiver punch you traded in one thirty year overseer and Jordy Nelson for Antonio Brown. Entira Williams is this is terrific joiner in Harris or two interesting signings for your your secondary. And if you lower the music a little bit, Gary I want to play for you the way mayo started the press conference, not many general managers have a broadcasting history. But listen look at the mayo started the press conference yesterday in Oakland. We had him on the NFL. Now, we're just in time for him to come on. And listen to the way he star. Got it. And the things he said in the direction of Antonio Brown sitting next to him. They're perfect go for. I am so excited to sit next to an Tonio Brown and his entire family. Watching these kids run around up stairs makes me feel good. I'm the oldest seven I get a chance to to get some life in this building. And I mean that literal literally and figuratively. These young kids running around breathing some life in this building. And that's what Antonio is going to do for this football team. And I can tell you over the years. I've watched in practice at least ten to fifteen times in my duties as a broadcaster in Latrobe, Pennsylvania in the heat. I watch this guy practice. He's as good of a practice football player at works as hard as any football player. I've ever seen in my life. And when we came here, John, and I talked about finding passionate football players. Love the game that practice hard and play hard and almost to tell you is raider nation gal, we got a little better today. And it's all because of the way this guy plays football. Antonio brown. Thank you. All right now, he did talk like a coach which make Antonio call him coach. He did look at Gruden when he said that. But look he hit on the fact that Antonio's a family man that they welcome his family into their family. He hits on the factors to how hard he works. But not just how hard he works in practice. We all know what may have happened in week. Seventeen was a practice setting all the things that have been said about Antonio Brown in recent days being a cancerous locker room practice presence. He don't all of it right off the bat and nailed it. That sort of stuff is heard by other players in the league and union say we got a lot better. We got a little better. 'cause it's a team talked about his passion for football. That is a touch them. All homerun Allitt second down. Please down giants fans. I know you're freaking out. I know you're absolutely freaking out. He ever reason to okay. Oh gel Beckham. From what we all know. What's the worst thing? He did propose to kick in net. He lifted his leg, and he peed on a fire hydrant as a brutal. Okay. Classless touchdown celebration. There are a lot of times on the sideline. He's screaming and yelling. And we have no idea what it might have gone on off the field. But it certainly wasn't anything to merit the attention of the league office Cates. Not that bad. So yes, shouldn't coaching and ownership be able to get together and figure out how to crack the code of somebody who's so supremely talented and beloved in the locker room as well Kim Jones's of personal nominally about her relationship as a reporter to a somebody. She's covering an athlete or she's coming in del Beckham, and how their personal relationship centered around his well wishes for her in her most recent health scare. You've got to check it out. I tweeted it out. This is a true human being with some flaws and the giants. Yes, you should figure out how to keep somebody there. But I was told by somebody close the situation that the giants were concerned that if things didn't go all hunky Dory. This year Odell was gonna pull an Instagram Twitter departure akin to what Antonio Brown just did. Now, you could say deal with it figure out how to avoid it. They just didn't. And I think ownership. Was sick and tired. And clearly Dade get them on this or get them and had something with I cannot put my finger on as to why. But the giants fandey gotta stay patient. You've got two first round selections coming. You have no idea of Josh Rosen's going to be available. We have no idea what the next five weeks are going to hold. We have no idea how they're going to somehow support. What ally? Manning can do if manning can be kept up, right? And you've got shepherd you've got Ingram. You've got that beast in saquon Barkley back there. Let's see what can happen right now. There's going to be eight in the box. You should be concerned about that. But it's all part of a piece of the puzzle. And it does stink giants fans that Levy on Belus grabbing headlines for the jets who look like they're going in a much better direction because they have their young quarterback already gone. But you they don't have somebody like saquon, and I'm saying that even with Lebanon bell. And that brings me to third down. I'm going to grab the heartache. A third down hot tape. Never in the history of four downs. Have we had a third down hot while we've never had a a free agency frenzy. Four doubt second. Here. We go. It's always tough. It's always tough to go to spot. It's always tough to go. New place players are creatures of habit. You're going to new spot Newtown new situation new setup new distractions knew everything so then I will say this. My prediction is third down hot. Take prediction juju and James Connor. We'll have more touchdowns in two thousand nineteen combined than Brown and bell in their new situations. That is hot. That's a red hot take. Oh, wow. Ben is used to Connor Ben is used to ju it's a new situation for juju. But they also have that figurative juju of nobody believes us the believes in us in the locker room. Nobody's expecting it. No, one will see it coming, and they're gonna hit you and they're gonna hit you hard. And maybe that's my jet fan in me saying that it's not gonna work out as well. With Levy on bell. And you're one that's my that's my third down. Hot take fourth thousand heartache hit it hit it. He's being introduced today. He Saint Nick from Philadelphia. Oh, he Saint Nick from Philadelphia guarantees going to get the money and he's going to come down. And he's going to take the pressure off of Leonard net, and they're going to figure this is a team that was wants to fund Gilmore pass broken up away from going to the Super Bowl two years ago. The kids on defense or still the kids on defense. They're still dogs. You still got Jalen Ramsey back. There you still got the whole team intact on defense. Essential. Well, hold on. They give up for this. Let me make sure I got you don't have the whole team intact on defense. I get it. You know, obviously Melik Jackson being gone a pretty big thing and take Shawn Gibson. But. Hear me. Nick foles is going to take the Jacksonville Jaguars to the AFC south championship. They're going to win that division. Even though even though two teams that division made the playoffs last year. Even though the titans almost made the playoffs and one game against the AFC south champion. The Jaguars are winning this division Saint next coming from Philadelphia. And he is going to leave the present underneath the tree for the folks Duval county. Why put down the hot take plank? I need some because that just left my hand all singed used the word on the air, which to me is check checkmark. That's my four down. So let's take a break. Eight four four two four riches the number two dollar when we come back. We'll chat with Devin Bush, one of the top linebackers and all the land in this in this year's draft. It's him and and Devon white. So it's good stuff. That's next with the university of Michigan linebacker, Devon Bush. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors. And all of you. Great listeners for supporting this podcast. Certainly couldn't do this show without either of you. And I wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast one dot com. Clicking on the support this podcast button. And there you'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that helped make this show possible. So thank you for downloading subscribing. And of course, supporting now back to the show. March madness. It's upon us. And it's time to police your beds. All right. Let's get to join RJ bell on RJ bells. Green preview as he helps you fill out your bracket with his expert betting device. Smaller conference action Friday night playing should be. Get the winning advantage dominates the brackets by downloading RJ bells dream preview every week on Todd cast one. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of eight me news headlines right after this podcast. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show has promised. He's one of the top linebackers available in this year's draft. And I like I told chase win of when he was here in studio last week right last week that man I love watching him play sideline sideline a thumper and a leader a captain of the university of Michigan team. He is Devon Bush. How are you? Devon. Good. How you doing? Where where are you calling in from what we're are? You are you in Michigan right now for the pro day. And I'll be right now. I'm up sages, you know, taking just kicking it getting ready for the pro day on Friday. How does how do you prepare for a pro day? Devon, walk me through what you've done. Yeah. You just kinda just stanchly thing standing shape, and you know, you've got off a vigorous training for the combine. And you know, depend on when you're pro day is luckily, my was so fast. So, you know, you just get ready to go out there and do some Jews doing anything that you feel like you needed improve on and work at those things the time you get into. Okay. So is this going to be like your last couple of days on campus before you go? Elsewhere and get ready or you sticking around. I'm sticking around. I'm just going to base myself out of out of anger in you know, just have last minute college ban. You know, guys stuff and just let because to enough, you know, I'll be somewhere else tummy favorite Harbaugh story. Devon, gimme your favorite miss Jim Harbaugh that you got. Time before game the night before he was preaching toughness mental toughness, and you know, he brought story about how the heat and had me money and his friend parents came and picked him up and his for non a car. And you know, they drive off, you know, parents give suggesting let's go for is scream. No push like by like ice cream at a look ice cream, but I'd have any money. So they pulled up to the dies cream place. No, everybody is getting ice cream ordered ice cream. And you know, Jim, do you want is being Bhagat? You have money's like, you know, right? There be tough. You know, I went through so bad. And I didn't have any money had to resist it, you know. So he said he told no, I'm good. I won the ice cream. You know? I assume for wince I mean for the little kids, and I'm good suffering. To beat the odds and stay strong and not take the ice cream. So you know, he said he was sitting there watching them use ours screaming he's staring at is cream trip in down the cone. And you know, he's probably because he didn't give in to get an ice cream. And the point of that is what your ice Devon. Oh, no. It was I guess it was the toughest thing and he is preaching mentally tough. You're that day, and you know, you wanna related mess. Okay. Devin Bush, Michigan prospect at consensus all American twenty eighteen here on the rich Eisen show, where does that ice cream speech relate to the speech? You heard in two thousand sixteen prior to the central Florida game. When a specific member of the Michigan alumni base came back and spoke to your team, Devon. It was it was completely different. You know, when we're in Brady walks to them, you know, he was just like, you know, everybody watches, everyone, watches, Missy and everybody that came through here. They MSCI they cut a Michigan and they follow Michigan forever. So you not only plan for today. Your plan for the guys in the past the guys in the suture. Well, Devon, I do deserve this. I don't blame you for bringing up Brady's name. But I was the one who spoke the week before. Brady Devon to your team. You did definitely. No, we all are. Understandable. It's totally understandable should've brought my name up. I deserve that. Yeah. You. No, you don't come on. Now. It's okay. If outside outside, that's right. Came. We were probably on the twenty yard line on on the on the closest to that the grass field. It's also my fault for being sandwiched between jeeter and Charles Woodson. And and Brady. Jevon timing everything in live. Oh my gosh. I walked right into that one. What what happened at Michigan state this year? Devon, walk me through everything that led to you stop in on the on the Spartan logo on the field. What in the world happened in east Lansing? It was just like obviously for me. It was already kind of a lot of tension there in you know, ages came in and they locked arm to cross the whole field. And you know, I'm out there. One up in a couple of the guys out that women up. We gotta headphones on not not really aware what's going on. But no soon enough. We find me look back in you know, the whole Michigan state team. They're walking three-hole field. What their arms lot? And you know, was like the matter of disrespect to to the team. You know, they try to walk through a whole warm-up. You know, the whole. Walk through the whole field and and keep their arms. They never made a way for us to get through their little line, whatever they do. So I mean, that's kinda would take everything off. And then they came. They went to the far side deal down the huddle came back rank through. I want began you know, bumping and talking. So that's what that whole being came up. So it was a dishes speckled thing and got like, so you know, I wasn't trying to go out there and fight before the game. Because that's you know, I wouldn't be able to pay probably been suspended or whatever. So the next thing in my is expensive and logo. I mean, you did scratch it up. They had a spray painted and everything. And you know, we're watching right now you need to be held back. And all that did you see was was the coach of Michigan state was was dantonio smiling. Mike for like XP moment. And then after that you kinda like been, but I did the data. AM I say, I don't want to relitigate. Well, actually, I do want to relitigate this. I do you know, I wouldn't mind, but my doing all of that what you asked about this at the combine that moment at all was brought up to you. Probably probably four times. And what do you think they were trying to determine from you? If you were hot head or something like that. What do you say I everybody, really? Nobody really wants. I think that's when it really was like, yeah. Maybe we don't see these high story behind you. Because I mean, we there's anything like that before. I guess they wanna just to figure out what really happened in my. So you just went through. Did we just recreate the combine right there? What what did you tell people? Gave up. Okay. Who did you speak to the Combi walk me through that? Acquired a number of people. I probably I can't like rip above my head. But I probably would say most of them. I probably like four or five teams. Okay. Maybe do you wanna give me names drop names? It's okay. I didn't meet with. I'm trying to think I didn't need with. Cowboys. I didn't mean what these teams you did not meet with. Yeah. Team. I did with. So all the other teams I've met with. Okay. I really did me with a whole bunch of teams. Yeah. As well. Maybe to meet with Tennessee because variables in Ohio State guy debt. And maybe that's what that is. I don't. So what's the strangest question you've got ask the combine? I walk into a room in the. There's like, oh, his he's sports that you request. Guys. I guess look at me the whole time like all right? I will evacuate questions. Just simple questions. You can go to probably like a fifth question. He's like so. How long can you hold your eyes open my eyes again, like, I don't know. I never really come. I doing that. So he's like. You don't wanna do it? Right. I never showed that. But I wanna try it. He brought out his phone like ready ready. So he's ready said go, so I keep my eyes looking the whole time. I'm thinking, I'm like, why am I who am I in in football? Meaning like, we're going to be looking at football over here staring at me, keeping my eyes. So I'm like, all right. So I kinda like let it go out and go out and blink. And then my gosh, dang, I tried. He was like, oh that wasn't so good. I'm like, oh, how long does he like think? I'm like he's like well you wanna try again. I'm like, Nah, I don't. He's like a okay why not like my eyes are burning. I'm gonna go any longer than that. He was like, okay. Like something down this board. So you you had a staring contest to we heard about that somebody will staring contests the Seattle did that was Seattle that did this with you. Oh. Okay. We'll see. We'll see if if you know Seattle's on the clock. And you know, if if Seattle's on the clock, they'll take you. We'll see how that goes if if they're twenty first overall, but all the mock drafts, I see your top twenty. What are you hearing? I'm I'm hearing Louis as I'm in top twenty top teen top ten late first round. So I'm hearing type of thing. And when baseball for like, the free agency, you know stuff to have these past couple of days, you know, I like the jazz leaving Suva interesting to see I think is going to be a lot, you know, a lot of wild like hand turns and a lot of questions that I I'm ready to see how the draft gonna play out because I think is going to be as this year with being a lot of these players too. So it to be real cool to agree last one for you. Your dad won the Super Bowl for the Rams Super Bowl thirty four with a lot of good friends of mine Warner and and Marshall Faulk have you met any of the greatest show on turf wars three dad or contact with them. He came in contact with the story about him. He's with him. Guys. I do like that. You know, I, you know, eighteen feet tone a lot on the question indoors. Speak to their Bush's. That's my godfather. What are you talk to Ray Lewis about? I mean, he is he must really download you. With a lot of stuff may looked like you were doing the rate Lewis dance on the Michigan state logo. I'll be very honest with Devon. But Ray that must be that must be cool. Yeah. Like with with just make you say, you got seen license, you know, any questions or concerns? I got or just want to have a nice little conversation. No, they they chop it up when. Okay. Devon, look. This has been a blast chat with you. Good luck to you say hi to everybody there in Ann Arbor. I appreciate you eventually remembering my speech to the team couple years ago. It's on YouTube. If you haven't seen it so check it out. Take care. Devon, go. Blue. Devin Bush calling in from Ann Arbor prior to his pro day right here in the rich Eisen show. Lonnie Johnson was the kid who had the staring contest. That was a little bit of an ego. Check from me. But I'm okay. Wounds the commercial break the news Seth Davis talk in March madness Zion. Our to coming up March madness is upon us. And Dan, Patrick has you covered. 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2019 NFL Draft: Steelers trade up to take ILB Devin Bush in the 1st round

Behind the Steel Curtain

41:22 min | 2 years ago

2019 NFL Draft: Steelers trade up to take ILB Devin Bush in the 1st round

"Uh-huh. Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What is going on? This is Jeff Harbin and ladies and gentlemen, the two thousand and nineteen NFL draft is underway. The first round they are on pick sixteen right now. And if you live under a rock didn't know the Pittsburgh Steelers have already made their pick. They traded with the Denver Broncos to move up to the tenth overall pick dislike Devin Bush inside linebacker of the ministry. Michigan wolverines there were not gonna talk about the trade compensation yet. I just wanna get everyone's reaction and guys if you're a fan of the show, the super show has commenced. We have lands Williams. We have Dave Scofield. We have Brian Anthony Davis. Everyone's here. The interconnections internet connection is good. So far. I'm I'm gonna guess Lance is going to go out. I so lands. I'm gonna go to you first. What's your opinion on the? Let's welcome to the show. What's your opinion of the trade where you happy where you kind of like, I don't know what to take. What was your thoughts? Well. Already on record as saying I wouldn't have reached for either. Devon with my last show. Yeah. I said it they shouldn't reach for either. Devon. So I don't think they should have reached for inside linebacker. I think you sit twenty and you draft the best player vailable. I'm just hoping that he plays better than his outfit because that was awful the air. Pretty now's southern Princeton wear. That was even bad for prints. I mean, come on man that was awful and the hairstyle was bad too. He had like a shed combined with dreadlocks. I didn't. I was I was mixed up. I was confused. Hope he plays better any dresses. That's all I can say that out. There was real quick before. I move onto Dave AU a eating. They did make the trade. And we'll talk about whether we thought they gave up too much in a second you aren't happy with the fact that they got a linebacker who is considered by some to be one of the best athletes in the entire draft. Let alone positionally. I mean, we'll see I I just think that like I said on the show the inside linebacker position is a sustaining visit should not a game changing position. And I think you can get value in lower rounds. Historically, we've seen that. And we've just seen championship teams win without having to have that dominant player in the inside. If he's a great player. You know, what I said, my podcast all goes away. Now, we've just got to see if the kid can play. Unfortunately, he can't dress harbor dasher should have been shot. But other than that has Arbor also should have been jot. But other than that, I hope he can play. All right. We'll get back to you in a second date. Go if you'd welcome to the show, what are your thoughts on the pig as you were scampering home from a movie to try to get back in time since the Steelers traded up. Yes, I promise no spoilers because I was checking out the earliest showing of the vendors premier. I thought I had plenty of time. Jeff, and I even talked about what time what time you think we did an over under of what time the pick was going to be a said unless they trade up, and I thought they might trade up. I didn't know they'd go that high, but. So I drove home quickly in the rain. And here I am. I did not get to see the outfit. But I deviated I can't wait to watch it on TV show. But I mean, if it was their biggest position of need, and they got one of the top guys. So you can't complain too much. You knew something crazy was going to happen. I knew Oakland was gonna do something. Crazy. I never thought they were gonna take my pick at twenty at number four. But that's things fell the way did for the Steelers able to make the move. And so they made the trade whether you like it or not Brian Anthony Davis. Welcome to the show. What are your thoughts on the whole everything? How it went down? You know, I'm forty seven years old. I've loved Bush most of my life. Whether it be whether it be the band Bush, whether it be the George Bush's, but I love Bush more than I ever have in my life right now. I am thrilled with Devon Bush. I've thrown with how much I could pass off conservative commenters on this site. We're just the name Bush. I am thrilled. Look, I'm watching this. I'm watching the TV and I'm trying to calculate. Okay. You know at olive IRS gone to the Bill. So maybe just maybe that both Denver in Cincinnati will go with quarterbacks. So. Excuse me. You guys can't put comments secret. Throw me off and make me laugh. The message is gonna kill me. Good stuff. But anyway, still I'm trying to figure it out then I look up and before they put the put the graphic on sing a deal was made. I could see in the background Steelers on the big draft board. And I started going crazy. What what what what what they made a trade in the became up went crazy through a few yeses out high five and my buddy. I mean, this is everything I've dreamed of I go to bed tonight feeling like a million bucks. This is the guy wanted this. I agree. I think he's the best athletic person in the draft. You can't put lands I on the same show. Here's the funny thing is I don't I don't mean to interrupt you. But I do an entire show lands, and he constantly sends these messages, and I have to keep it together. And Brian are going to have to show some professionalism here, you're gonna have to stuck it up, and you got to get now a lot of people the live chat on YouTube or wondering what did the what did the give up? So let me break this down. The sealers did not give up next year's first round. That was that was reported mistakenly early on in the process, what happened was the Steelers swapped first round picks. So they took the Denver Broncos tenth the Branca's took the twentieth. So as of right now the Steelers are done in the first John unless they decide to trade back in. I doubt that happens. They gave up their second round take of this year's draft. And they gave up their third round pick of the twenty twenty draft. Now for those that are freaking out about this and said they gave up too much. Here's what I have to say. First and foremost, you got your guy that you wanted in the first round Kevin Colbert's only done this to other times since he's. Been hired in two thousand. And let's talk about who he did it for Troy Paula Malu hall of Famer Santo home Super Bowl MVP. I trust their judgment when they really wanna get someone. They go out and do it. They did that today. I'm fine with that. I trust their judgment in that regard. Now the second round pick. They still have a lot of picks left. I will. I would bet I said I would bet my car that they're going to move into the second round tomorrow trading. Some of those later picks away that they don't need. So for me, I'm fine with him giving up a second pick as for the third round pick next year. They're going to get a third round compensatory pick for lady on bell leaving they'll be fine. They'll still have a third downtick. I thought this was a good trade, Lance good. A you next your thoughts on the compensation giving up in. Did it equal? Or was it a reach as you put it in your podcast for Devon Bush. I mean now it comes to the evaluation player we just have to wait and see if the player can play by the way. Jeff does drive a Pinto. I pre it's all right. Not a pin. Intel pre ac- I would start with the Hanes. So, you know, him giving his car, you know, isn't much Chinda bet man dreaming of Bush. I mean, hey, I mean it never it's better than that. But it gets to now whether to can play if he can play who cares who cares about the compensation if he comes solidifies your defense, and he elevates them to a top ten group. And hopefully, they win a championship. Who cares about the compensation now about can't he play? And that's how you gotta evaluate. Yeah. Absolutely. Dave. What about you? When you heard what the, you know, the the final details were of the trade. What were your thoughts? I'm okay with giving up the third next year. Because like I said like sorry what like you said. The Steelers should get another third round pick assuming that. Eleven on bell doesn't just completely aloft the map this year because that's still one factor that comes into it. If he gets injured early does blade all that could drop to a fourth. But. I would have much rather given up the first third round pick. But it's only fourteen it's only difference a fourteen picks, which isn't that that big. I do think that they could trade up into second round using that pick their first third round pick if they wanted to but. I don't know. It's not very often at the like, you say that the Steelers through up to do something like this. And when they do it's worked out great. So I'd say we could we could pick apart the problems with it or we could just be really happy that they figured out who they wanted. And they actually did what they need to do to get it on this dealers. I'm trying to hold onto that third round pick the raiders, and I would trade my given third round pick. And maybe a six round pick with it to get up into the second round that way you're gonna set around taking early around tick. I think you're still gonna get some quality their day. Brian will your thoughts on the trade in terms of the details. And what would you give up to move into the second round tomorrow? You know, what exactly what you're saying? You know, I wanna keep that that third round pick. Because that's basically that's very close to a second. You know? So I've no problem with that. I love the fact that they made this move when I. Paul that was third rounder in two thousand twenty regardless of the levian bell thing, I'm like that's not giving up too much. You know, you have ten overall picks. You have the opportunity to go ahead and move. So I think that they're going to move back into the second. They should be fine. And there's this is a deep deep draft. So you give up a that extra third. No problem that extra third that they had last year was was Chuka woma. And so basically if you wanna give up Chuka Wilma to go ahead and get into the the second round you can. So I mean giving up, but if you don't even move up all you look at the second round picks that they've made, you know, I know Judy was a great one. I know James washing could be a good one. But would you trade James Washington for a chance to get Devon Bush? You would've this year? If you could have couple of men, so I love the fact that they didn't give up way too much. Okay. So let's go through each everyone of you. I wanna get your knee jerk grades on the pick. Now, I Lance, and I talk about this all the time you cannot create a draft pick. I would say until year three or four unless you're Jarvis Jones. We knew right away with that guy. But still lands if you were to grade this based on a the position that was taken be what was given up to get him. How would you grade? You can grade the process or we can grade the prospect, would you give them Lance? It's Bush league to pick. I mean from a positional you'll kiss spot on. You know, it's tough for me to give grades. From a point of need. Absolutely. You know, you take John pasta Caufield we saw them get gouged in the middle of their defensive impasse rich all year. And we thought with this kill seeing knows type of dudes did to the Steeler defense. When you spread them out if he could fill that need that I'm going to say a beef or Bush. Keep my great there. Dave. What about you? What's your grade for the pick? I'm gonna give it just give it an A for effort. I like the effort that they were able to figure out what they wanted and Nabi afraid to move to get it. I'm going to trust. They know more about him than I do. I thought there was a couple red flags under with Devon Bush, but you can pick anybody apart when you've been looking at them for this long. I like that they made the move regardless of who they got or what they did. So a forever for me e Brian. I'm not giving grade. I'm just going to go ahead and give valedictorian. I love this. I love this. I'm telling you cap and gown put him up there graduating with honors Suma cum laude. In fact, I'll give a magnet commodity. I will give it a magnum PI. That's how good this is. I'm going to give it an A. I said from the start of the NFL draft season when you're talking about Mark dresses of they need to be aggressive, and even though Lance was extremely convincing in his argument in his last year. I said it show I'm fine with him being aggressive. You have ten traffic's you don't need ten players. We all said that on all of our different shows. So tradeable way, you know, who cares trade him away. So as I watch NFL fans freak out about drafting center, I chuckled at myself. Oh, speaking thing. That's the great thing about the draft watching. Like ourselves get excited about a sitter. And we're purple like he does. Nobody knows who this guy is like we come. We'll I'll be honest. I I'm going to also say if the most positive the other than watching Joe Greene state to pick and come out to introduce the draft. I seventy five on coke commercial classic my favorite all-time. Stealer. Big up to him. Joe? Greene mean Joe is hey, man. We don't have to wash the draft. If they don't get a second round pick till Saturday. That's the war or. So that's great. Lance. I I gotta jump in here. I love I love the Joe green thing. But in that commercial. He wore the white jersey just thought, let's you know. Yes. Yes. I they don't sell the white bean. Joe, I can get you. The white means call me he's hook up in Asia. I used to have that I used to have that up. But the US government took that website down. So I don't have that. Old BAD found a new one. Who's this? Okay. Let's let's get back on the rails here for a little bit. I my question for you all is Devon Bush. They traded to get him. You obviously, you know, he's a high priority for them in terms of the position in the skill level. How do you see this entering training camp Lee signed Mark Barron in the off season? I have my ideas to what they might. Do you think he started day one? Or do you think it's a Mark barons the starter? We're gonna kinda move you in easy into it. I guess I should say Brian to start with you this time, you know, Mark barons and interesting situation because he very well could be the where they had. Had a Morgan Burnett last year as that. As that so package line thicker, so there this could be a guy like Shays ear a few years ago where they just plug and play. This is a definite plug and play type player. I think though, they'll start off slow, but I mean, maybe by week three or four they're like, you know, what this is what we're gonna do. I mean, I think he's a starter. At least if not right away by week five. When are you Dave? It's interesting that you say said about Mark baron. 'cause I brought up today that he hasn't been assigned a number yet by the Steelers, and I think part of it is most seriously. They don't. But what I'm saying? He's the only he's the only player that didn't have a number before the draft. And that is because is he going to be a linebackers? You'll be safety. You know, he's always had a safety number before. But if they knew he wanted to be a linebacker. He probably would have been a linebacker number. I think it kinda had kind of depend on how things fell out with the draft. So because he's he's going to be the hybrid guy. He might be on the field all the time to start. It's they've got so many options out going into camp. And what's great is? They gotta I Trump layered that take spot as often he can grab, but they don't have to have and play their day one. What about you lands? I think they're going to ease them in like kill to those bows. Smoothie move. They're gonna move smoothly. I think with Bryant said is right on they're going to gradually move in. And they're going to give him more and more put more and more on his plate. See how he absorbs? It's see how he plays. How he died Justice system. I think Barron right now is probably a safety blanket. But I think they're going to gradually move him in to play that position. He's definitely going to be involved in some packages for sure. And I think probably I could see midseason he starting to pin it on how he plays in. How he develops in training camp? I think you're gonna see a lot of three linebackers on the field now for the Steelers, Barron Williams, and now Devin Bush based on the fact that I think Barron has a skill set today. Like, I think Bush they're going to deploy these guys like Dave said they have a ton of versatility. They're going to run a lot of stuff Packers. Like, they always do. I think that this pick is true. Tremendous of let's talk a little bit about tomorrow before we answer some questions from the people in the live chat. We have two hundred people in the live chat right now. I knew this show would be a big one tomorrow. Let's assume that they don't have a second round pick. Let's say they stick with. There's two third round picks. What positions are you targeting in the third round? We already talked to it. If you were laid to the show, we did talk about what we might give up to move back into the second. But Dave will start with you. What position? Now the Steelers target on day two of the NFL draft. I think that I said that I thought all along in their first four picks they were going to be looking at linebacker corner. I still think edge rusher something need to do if nothing else for depth saying they only stay started the season last year with three and I think all but one game last year, they went with three Outside Linebackers, and then of course, a receiver either a wide receiver or tight end. I think our top needs when it comes to moving up back into the second round. When I said about using that first third round pick. That's because I was assuming to move high into the second round if they're wanting to move lower in the second round, I think they could use their second round pick everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge in this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest in tech news reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor deeter bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode, I've been talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. We talked to Microsoft founder Bill Gates about his philanthropic efforts. You can design systems without having to reveal any individuals particular medical record journalists academics, Lena Khan who thinks that we should be doing way more to break up giant companies game on Facebook hindsight. Allowing casebook to buy up both what's up and Instagram proved have been the wrong call and we talked to tech CEO's videos Bill Baxter explained. Exactly, how smart TV manufacturers make their money. 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But they need some offense of play makers they need some juice at the wide receiver position go out and replace that production that guy we all love AB, bad Kurd. What about you, Brian? Well, originally, I was thinking they would go Aerosmith from nineteen Ninety-three and be living on the edge. But very will could go edge edge rusher. But what I'm thinking they're going to do is. I'm thinking they're looking at either wide receiver or corner that corner class core hasn't been picked yet. So these guys are dropping there's going to be guys available in the second round. I know they don't have a second round pick right now. But that means somebody could drop down to the third round early in the third round as well. If they stay put. So it's interesting. We'll see where chase win of edge goes if he if east if his stock really rose to be a a late first or second or if he's in the third, but you know, there's so many places they can go I love this draft this when my favorite drafts in years just for how deep it is. They can get a wide receiver in that third around. There's so many things, and and you think about the edge rushers. They're going to be available in the third as well. Yeah, I'm looking at the as I'm watching the television. We're watching this. You're watching live. You know, you're following the coverage and the Broncos are getting ready to pick a number twenty which is where the Steelers would have picked which is lot earlier that thought it's only ten twenty four eastern standard time all three Cornerbacks are still in the board. We're talking the big name guys. Byron Murphy, greedy Williams. Deandre Baker of guided. This is definitely shaking out different than a lot of people expected. So we'll see what things goes starting tomorrow. Would you have a few minutes left? If we call it a show, if you have questions I in the live chat by all means, go ahead and fire away. And remember you have since they're so many people in the live chat right now. If you really have a question that you want answered you can use the super chat feature the super chat feature is the little money symbol on the right? If you're looking at your phone. Or on a laptop and you can mute any amount of money dollar five dollars. Whatever in highlight. Your question will guarantee to answer it if you have questions for the show good and fire away. We'll get those answered before we call it a show in remember while we wait for some questions come through. There will be a show tomorrow night where we'll recap all or any of the picks that the Steelers have in the unday to and again on Saturday night where we do day three picks. I can't say that all four of us will be on the show. It might just be me at sometime that still it doesn't matter of. I definitely hope that everyone. That's in the live chat right now. If you are just finding the Shilla you just stumbled upon it, basically subscribe, we give a lot of good content on YouTube as well. They're audio platform. So here we go. This is the question. Dave, and Brian was there really were there any day two linebackers that you think are worthy of picking up? We'll go, Dave. I I assume they mean Outside Linebackers 'cause I would say outside. Linebacker anymore. Because if we didn't get the inside linebacker. I would have looked for Germain Pratt in the second round, but we got Bush. We don't need that now Outside Linebackers. I'll be honest with you, I focused on the first round with them. Of other than win of it. I'm gonna have to start doing some more research as soon as we're done here to see what else we we can get there on the board in the second round. Or even the beginning of third. What about you, Ryan Lee thing? I don't know if he's going to be round on day two because we still have twelve picks left. Montas sweat is still hanging out healthy. Yeah. He's healthy. She's right. He's been cleared doctors came out today and said that you know, the guy's heart is fine. But where I'm looking at is. I'm really looking at maybe going double wolverine and chase winner could be another guy that they look at. I mentioned him a little earlier on he is probably one of the top edge rushers for the beginning of day too. Okay. Just a lot of questions about trade possibilities prospects, Lance. What are your thoughts on them trading? Again. I mean, would you think they just need to get stay with the are you yoke comfortable with them? Giving up some pigs to keep moving up. Yeah. I think they should definitely give up some picks to get back into that second round is going to be a lot of football players left. Again. I keep harping on keep saying they need playmakers on offense to need a guy that constructs fueled. I like Moncrieff I like have been to they need some more ballplayers score points. Lotta points out of that lineup. You take the ninety points out. They go out at twenty one points per game bring in some playmakers. This offense needs to be dynamic. How do you win in this league? Now, you gotta score points. You need to score at minimum twenty seven to twenty eight points per game to win a Super Bowl. So they need to bring some ball players to make sure that they can do that gay kinda may see think about insertive tomorrow, you know, offense versus defense the the ratio in the pigs that they haven't around two and three or I guess just three right now, even though they haven't officially traded into the second round yet. I feel like you have Nelson. You have guy like Mike Hilton. You have Joe Haden. You have a couple of the corners. I just not sold the Cornerbacks dire. Need right now. I feel like wide receiver tight end, especially running back. I think tomorrow is going to be a very heavy offense day. And I think that's what they need to go. I think that it's what the team needs like land said in. We've all said they have to try to replace fifteen touchdowns. And that's not going to be just some easy thing to do. It's going to be tough, and they're gonna have to find some players to do. So and it's going to be in the second day rounds two and three and maybe early in the fourth that you're gonna find some those guys that can really, you know, make an impact early in their careers. That's what they need right now. So Brian, let's you have a chance to talk to the the vanities. I gotta be honest. I I've been covering the team as the editor for the behind the curtain dot com website since they drafted budget pre in the first round. This is the best reception. I've ever seen from the fan base in regards to the pick since I've been covering the team even bud depre- people said it was raw already burns. They hated it Terrell Edmonds. They hated it. Go ahead. And to say, you know, what your thoughts are on the pick the day that it was the way the draft panned out and anything else about the draft coming up. This is my favorite draft since nineteen eighty seven possibly say. I got to stay home and watch Rod Woodson get drafted where everybody said there was no way they were going to get him. Where did they get read? What's in that year, number ten? So very interesting. They got one of the great playmakers on defense at with the tenth pick. So they're picking ten again, they weren't originally there. But they made that trade made a really good deal. I am just ask absolutely elated. I was elated at the beginning of the night to go ahead and see Joe Greene come out looking like a pimp and a snug in that blue suit, I thought he was just absolutely amazing. I mean that guy he was picked fifty years ago today tight end just went off the board to Denver. But so I'm absolutely thrilled a correction on Dave Mark, Barron has a number number twenty six, but I also noticed when I was looking in there. This very interesting to you, Mr. Hartman Ralph Webb has a number. He's number forty two and herb waters is also number twenty six so Mark Barron's twenty-six might not be safe. But Ralph Webb I'm going to have your jersey to your soon. You could have your number forty two because he mail the has gone. It's web web web. Please don't waste your money. All right lay on your vision winning on Steelers dot com. He had no number that was the morning. All right. Well, I guess it's just one of those modern mysteries that will never know. And so there you have it. Let's go to you next. What are your thoughts? Overall on the day that was in what's coming up on the NFL draft Steelers got their guy. I mean, the fan base is happy. I know one thing if the pick isn't the right guy, they'll blame calmly. That that will happen. The other thing with Brian brought up A rod Woodson's, I did have dinner at rock Woodson's. He had wings back when he had the restaurant down in station square. But you know, it's a good day. But a Pittsburgh Steelers. They get their guy. They put a play maker in the middle of your defense. You know, you have to be strong up the middle. You know over the center in between the hashes your defensive backfield. Hopefully, the young man can play you know, I did a whole podcast on like moving up for inside linebackers. But as we've seen, you know, the league does not cut it these corners. These corners are dropping and then the passing league, you know, that's a red flag for these corners, east corners are dropping and away. It's looking now maybe these guys potentially drop out of the first round. So there looks like there's going to be a lot of quality players you move up to the second round. Stay aggressive Goget player that you target. And I. With Jeff do. I don't think you'll get a corner. Go get a dynamic wide receiver that can really bring some playmaking exposure to this offense. Because again, you gotta make those points in. Let's not forget the fact that they're awful at picking Cornerbacks and ZOA view avoid that and say, okay, we're gonna go in this season with Steven Nelson. And the guys that we have Joe Haden next year when Antony Brown's money's off the books, you could probably go out and free agency and get another decent cornerback to fill it out 'cause you obviously suck attracting them. So there you have that Dave go ahead. Dave Dave already went really as Brian stern. No, Brian went. I I'll go Gan. Now, we only hear. Shaking your head Brian. Rafting quarterbacks in the last quarter. Cornerbacks. Land happen here laying shit. They have not been in position to get a cornerback in the last few years lands land say something I did a whole show. You know, that's no excuse you. You can't. I mean, that's if you get opportunity draft him you need a hit on them. They have not been good at it. It's fine. They've been banned. Ed, you go through the list guys terrible. I mean, they have not been very good at it. And there were years where they kind of deemphasizes is the corner position anyway. And then they took they would never take corners early and Brown so on and so forth. There's been a lot of good corner. Selected in years covert, atomic have not done a good job at it. So I I love the fact that they went out and GATT one. It's interesting that they can't draft. It's weird that they can't do it like certain teams don't draft positions. Very well. Like that team up north that we all hate or I hate I'm sure you guys hate that team up north. They can't dry wide receiver. Vers, you know, we struggle with corner. So, you know, teams struggle with certain position groups, maybe it scheme. Maybe it's coaches, but I'm glad they went and got one in free agency. I mean, look Artie burns should be proof enough. Well, let's talk about their starting quarterback. Shall we? Brian. Let's go with it. Joe Haden was drafted by the Steelers. He was not Steven Nelson. He was not however might Ninette Mike Helton. No. He was not. There you go, man. Their top three Cornerbacks are not drafted players. Okay. Let me tell you something. Let's talk about already burns already burned out. Not ardy. Burns was not on their wishlist Ardi. William jackson. The third was on their wishlist Cincinnati took him right before they did. I don't even think they anticipated that Cincinnati was going to go ahead and take take that guy. He was a reactionary pick because a need pick that they need cornerback. What they should have done was taking. Best available at that point. They've been take best available that point they still went with a cornerback. Doesn't mean that they can't draft one. If they would have drafted William Jackson, the third. You guys would have been elated. We all would have been a late. They missed by one pick. That guy was the number one guy on their board at that lack of I agree. I I agree with you on that. I agree with you on that. But when they lost them, they panic doesn't mean they can't draft a corner they reached for corner and lost. Okay with that means they can't draft them. Oh. I'm sorry. You know, if if was a fifth, you know, we'd drunk. Hey. Hey, that's the one cliche can get. Right. So. My internet did not drop. I yes, I was about to say it's it's a modern day Murugan before we get to the end of the show. We did have a guy Sean who's a fan of the show. He dropped in a super chat. Comment wanna get to that? Because I was big it. We get a super check comment. We're going to get to it. He said just wanted to say what's up from Hawaii? Just like Brian his dreams came true zooming Suming. He's referring to the pick. He he's at how who are your top three to five receivers available and who would fit best in our scheme. Brian. You know, these players better than Lance, and I do three or five receivers available who do you think fits best? Go. Mceal Harry Akeem Butler AJ Brown. Okay. You're sees it AJ Brown say these came Butler was one of them came Butler in Nikial, Harry. And where's he from Arizona state? What about boykin from Notre Dame you fan now? I like boykin, but he's not in my top. He's not on my top ten. I if I had to add two more. I I'm adding ABC brother, and I'm also adding. I'm adamant not Moncrieff Metcalf. Okay. What about easy? You. Did you say Hollywood Brown? I didn't hear you. Yeah. I had Hollywood in there. Okay. So Dave, he's just rejoined the show. Thanks for coming back on. Three to five receivers that are still available who you think is the best fit for Pittsburgh. And who are some of those players. I mean, they're all there, aren't they? I did miss when coming off the board missing any come out the board. I'm just saying the question was asked. Yes, he joined three to five top-35 receivers available, and who is would best fit our scheme. Who's all available would be the the two Browns with decay Metcalf, and and kale that I'm sure has mentioned, but I think the best with the Steelers will do is they're going to wait until the third or fourth and take sills out of West Virginia. What would you do lands? If the Steelers picked Hollywood Brown somehow in the second round of this draft. I would love I mean, hey, I've told Jeff are you serious landmine knowing what you're doing. Oh, big up to finals for snapping. Dave came back. So big up to Donna. So big up to Donald Donald snapped. And Dave disappeared. It just only killed his internet for a second. But look since the patriots wonder six championship. I said that name. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that team up north since day one. They're six championship. Let's get good football players know me. I'm like, hey character is great. I like is the score touchdowns. And I want the Steelers to get seven Super Bowl before that team of north thus. Because if they get seven before me, and my brother gets to rip me every day about them having seven championships commands, go terrible, get Hollywood Brown. If you think he's the best football player. I know the boy can play he's dynamic. Hey, put him in there. I don't care. Let's go get seven championships and for those that are watching the draft unfold right now live. One safety. I really enjoyed watching Darnell savage from Maryland is off the board. He went to the Packers. They traded up of the Baltimore Ravens traded their pick with the eagles. And so things are getting interesting on the. How so savage is gone. The Packers took two in the first round. I say savage because he was someone. I thought maybe in the second round would still be there. He's not. So that'll be interesting is another player to cross off the list, if he was on your personal big board there so to speak. So all right. I tell you what guys it's it's a modern miracle, in my opinion that a land connection state solid the whole show that Brian sounded for crystal clear now Dave did get thrown off. But you came back. Didn't miss a beat. No, one knew it. I bet. So I told you we had a we have massive internet outages in my area right now it's been on and off all day. And I was hoping to get to the show before we had to reset everything in. But should be good for another twenty minutes for those for those that follow our shows regularly know that this is this is literally a modern miracle. It really. So I want you the squirrel squirrel is gone. A squirrel chewed waited at wire. 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Steelers Burning Question: Will Devin Bush live up to the hype?

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Steelers Burning Question: Will Devin Bush live up to the hype?

"Pittsburgh Steeler hands. What's going on? This is Jeff Harmon editor behind the steel curtain dot com. With another episode of the Steelers burning question, and I realize it's been a couple of weeks since we've had an episode of the burning question because we had things like the NFL schedule was released on Wednesday. We are priming up for the NFL draft the following week. And it's been awhile since it's just in me. And we're talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers. If you're a first time listener to the show understand this solo show that I do every Wednesday where I pick a topic. And I talk about that topic. And I definitely take some feedback from those that are in the live chat with us. And if you're not sure what the live chat is the live chat is a part of our YouTube family, our YouTube subscribers where you're gonna call them the people that really watch our videos and will live on YouTube every Sunday Wednesday and Thursday. And so you can check us out there. I go into YouTube and subscribed by searching BTS's Steelers radio. Now with that said, I also want to give some props outs in my man lanes. Williams co host on the standard is a standard. He put out an episode today Wednesday, but you can check it out on our audio platforms anywhere where you find your podcast to search behind the steel curtain or he concert Steelers. You'll find us either way. Yeah. I said it he talked about Ben Rothlisberger contract extension. Another phenomenal. Absent check it out. And it obviously makes sure that Tamara oh, you check out check out Steelers preview live here on YouTube probably around nine nine thirty. And that would be with myself Dave Scofield in Brian Davis. Oh, here we go Steelers burning question for this week. Of course, it's gonna be about the draft why because the draft just took place. It's what everyone wants to talk about you get nine fresh players now dawning, the black and gold and everyone wants to wonder who's going to be the impact player at any players that might get cut who's going to be the surprise of the draft. Is there anyone that is? Was considered a quote, unquote, reach all these questions, man. They are being thrown all all over the place. I wanted to focus on one player particular and one general question that I think is really really important yet. It won't be answered. Just yet the question being if he looks at the title of this episode is will Devon Bush live up to the hype. Say it again, we'll Devin Bush live up to the hype. And so the hype train has been rolling with this kid for a long time. He's been slotted to go to the Steelers now mock drafts for months the Steelers had a trait up ten spots and to me. My question is also kind of two sided the hype thing we won't really know until he plays in. I'm not even gonna give great on him even after his rookie season. Because it takes some time some rookies acclimate faster than others. But on the less his grading of of is he a good draft pick won't be known for a couple of years. But I looked at this pressure. Think about if you're in Devon Bush's shoes. Okay. You're sitting there on draft night. You know, you're going to go early talk top fifteen picks you're going to go in the top half of the draft. You don't know who you're going to. There's been some teams that have been in contact. There's some teams that need inside linebacker, Devon. In white goes off the board at Tampa Bay. And all of a sudden, you are the next guy in line inside linebacker. You're waiting Elvis. Sudden you get a phone call the Steelers trade at pretty decent hall ten spots from twenty to ten with the Denver Broncos to draft. You think about that? There's a pressure there. There's some pressure with a team. That's ed. Ye we think that you are worth our second round pick this year in a third round pick next year. I jump and a swap first round picks in jump all the way up ten spots to drive you. So there's some pressure. You throw in the fact that he's gonna be replacing a guy and Ryan shazier that he's become a beloved figure with Pittsburgh Steeler fans. I mean, if you see my shirt on YouTube more in the shave leave shirt right now, it it's definitely pressure there because everyone's wondering did they get the next? Ryan shazier is he as good. Has Ryan shazier is he is Atlantic. As Ryan shazier, you get where I'm going with this. That's pressure. People are slotting him to start from day. One. Even though Mark barons on the roster, and a lot of people feel that Mark barons going to be the one that is going to start at least not as in training camp at inside linebacker, and then we'll see how things fall into place. But again, I asked myself this question actually, put it on Twitter couple of weeks, it'd be Monday after the draft as it. What point do you think these players start to feel the pressure 'cause there is pressure here? A first draft pick that's pressuring an in and of itself. But you're also a player that the Steelers moved up ten spots together. I just talked about that that's pressure. Think about Devon Bush flying into Pittsburgh and getting off the plane. He had a terrible towel with him. And he's trolling this terrible towel that they're Steeler fans there they're waiting for him. And then he goes down to permit any brothers in their Steeler fans air and there. Channing? Here we go Steelers and all this stuff. I wonder what point in the back of their heads. Do they think holy crap? This is real this isn't a. A late at the end of the tunnel. So to speak of I'll get there someday anymore. And this isn't Michigan wolverines big ten football. You're the National Football League. Now, you're seeing these fans, and they'll say they hope the defense bet that steel curtain. You know, you hear he's probably hearing it everywhere he goes in the four one two area kid, there's pressure. There is pressure and you've seen it. We've all seen it players that have folded under the pressure. I'll give you a very good example first round draft pick in two thousand sixteen was none other than Mr. already burns. Artie burns headed decent rookie season. Second year was okay pressure was on him to be the next. Solid cornerback to go opposite of that's I'm Joe Haden in the wheel so off and the pressure was great on Artie burns. And it's not that he couldn't handle it. It's not that he was mature enough. Because I think he's mature beyond his years considering the situation he is in personally, but he didn't handle the pressure. Very well, and ultimately the pressure, and I'm not saying it was just the pressure. But I just don't get and I don't buy into this fact that Artie burns had all this potential. Artie burns was. Potentially going to be a good very good cornerback, especially in may press coverage to all of a sudden can't even guard anyone that when he steps on the football field. They target him. Immediately. That's pressure in some people handle it and some people don't I think the Devon Bush is going to have a significant amount of pressure at the same time. There's some rookies are fine at TJ watt. It's another example to have the seventeen first round draftee Wasser TJ wad comes in and not only does he play. He supplants a Steelers legend in James Harrison, James Harrison's, pissed rightfully so because they have a rookie starting ahead of him. He thinks he's gonna play and he doesn't and TJ watches roles with it. He he has the what name he has the pedigree hit a family in the NFL. He has all this stuff. Any handles it. And it's almost like he thrives off it. And so when I look at these cases, which are very very recent cases, which side is Devon Bush going to be on. I've listened to a lot of interviews with him both for Steelers com on other platforms with the NFL network. And I think this kid has a really good head on his shoulders. And I think that is dad playing in the National Football League does play a role in this. Because ultimately, I think that. His dad is going to be able to impart some wisdom to him about how the handle the National Football League. How to handle the media how to handle troubles and trials and tribulations that are going to happen? No matter what no one's perfect pink act. When Ryan shazier was a rookie people were labeling him a bust. He was running around the field like a missile that was just trying to a heat seeking missile that was constantly missing. He missed a lot of tackles. He was often injured. And so he was labeled as a bust soft and MRs too many tackles Dow, then he started to gradually get better. So let's go all the way back. Let's revert back to the initial question is is Devon Bush gonna live up to the hype. Will he live up to the hype in two thousand nineteen personally as I answered this question. I think is the s because the one thing that Devin Bush has is he has the athleticism net. Secetary play the position in civil. He has the lettuces him. And he has the experience at a very very good school at a big school. And this is not a a MAC player going in the first round hack. This isn't even Terrell Edmonds who went to Virginia Tech, which is as e school, which let's be honest. The ACC is not the best Football Conference, and they have Clemson in there. But they're not the best Football Conference. He's playing at Michigan. He's playing in big games. He's being on the bit. He's been on the big stage before he played for a former NFL coach in Harbaugh. I think that he is more than ready in more than willing to accept that pressure in the handle that pressure and to then perform on the football field. Not everyone can do it. And will there be bumps in the road? Absolutely. Because no one's perfect. But I think personally the Devon Bush is more than ready to step onto that football field and start making plays. Now, we. Could we could double down on the Steelers burning question as we can ask and I'll office to the live chat right now and say will bull Devon Bush start day one week one when they're preparing for Tom Brady and the New England Patriots on Sunday night football in Foxborough in week. One will be Devon Bush who's under behind j von Hargrave in the middle of the defense or will be marked Barron in Devon Bush coming in just in sub packages. It's a tough question. Because Mark Barron is not only experienced he's coming off a Super Bowl reface Tom Brady. He is at veteran leader that you might think solidify the position I think the inside linebacker position for all of the players on that depth chart is going to be very fluid. In other words, I could see a lot of playing time for both Barron and Bush on the field together at the same time. And that would mean the William snaps will get cut back significantly because he. I'm always gonna run support. And he's a pretty decent Blitzer. He can't cover and he's not the sideline to sideline player. He's not the ethnic freak that you see in Devon Bush who ran a I think it was a four four forty yard of forty at the combine that some sideline to sideline speed that. We haven't seen since Ryan shazier is hurting to those seventeen. So the question is, you know, will they start day one. I lot of people in the live chat right now are saying the, yeah, they think he is going to start on day one that he is going to start week one this dealers. Do not like to do that. They don't T J. Watt was not given the spot right away that he did start week one. But it OTA's may camp training camp. He had earned it any earnings pretty quick. But for the most part of a you could go all the way back to Android Paulo. Molly was a rookie. He did not start. He was a special teams guy. There's been a million other names of players at just had to wait. I'm not sure if Devon Bush falls. In that category. If I am predicting this I'm going to say that Devon Bush will be starting week one Foxborough against Tom Brady and the patriots, and that's just going to be one of the caveats necking, which is going to be absolutely amazing in my opinion. So for me will you live up to the hype. I think he will. I absolutely think he will. Beyond say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means how it's made. 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So right now is the time in the show where I kind of backpedal I opened up the live chat for anyone that has questions for those that are watching live on YouTube. You can use the super chat feature if you have a question, and you don't want it to get passed by because of answering the question all us, you go to the Chad. You put in the question you hit the little money sign you can put an any amount of money. And I'm not saying you have to do this is just an option for you if you'd like to do it. So if you're interested us alive chat of the super chat feature, and we'll make sure you get your question answered while I'm waiting for some questions to roll in. I will say that. There was some news today. I guess you wanna call it news is kind of obvious news, in my opinion, already burns, Jeremy fallow. VSBN reported this user, not planning on picking up already burns fifth year option that date that they have to decide. Yes. Or no is coming up. This Friday may third. I I don't know what to say if you thought that they were going to pick up already earns fifty option, I think you're nuts. I don't think he has. He's not even slated to have a spot on this team unless he really shows up and performs well on training camp in the preseason. And shows the coaches that they can trust him. I personally could see the team going out and signing Cody sense of all who still a free agent last. I checked and because he's he was the one that solidified that position last year now Stephen Nelson's there because he's sensible in my opinion is a good. He's a good insurance policy. You know, things breakdown players don't play well, Cody cents, a Bauza guy that you can put out there knows the defense. He's played for a lot of years. And he's a guy that can go out and actually perform well for you. And he did that last year. So let's see here. So Ryan says about the bud Duprey fifth year option, and I may doesn't well, you know, I know a lot of I know a lot of fans are upset that the Sears picked up budget breeze fifth year option. The couple questions with that though is number one who would be better within reason within the fact that this you don't have a ridiculous amount of salary cap space to go out and get someone. And if you look at the contracts amongst Outside Linebackers that are starters in the National Football League. That's not that much money. He may seem like a lot of money, but it's not a lot of money. You think about the fact that the quarterback physician, which I understand the most important position in all sports. Then Rothlisberger starting next year is going to average over thirty million dollars as a hit on the salary cap thing about that thirty million. That's not even a third of that for budgetary. So if budget, pre you know and Keith Butler spoke about debris as he was talking about some of the linebackers in this draft. And he said he really likes budget pre and he thinks depressed due for a breakout. So we'll see if it happens if it doesn't happen nonetheless. I don't think people should be home. Rush on the the Steelers for picking up that option. They haven't for one more year if he plays. Well, they can again if he doesn't they can cut ties with them and be done. So I think it was a pretty easy decision. Just like, I think already burns decision is very easy. You pick up Steven Nelson you draft Justin lane in the third round of the NFL draft from Michigan state, you kind of her setting yourself up for life without already burn. So there you have that. Let's see here Reza's Frank Clark who just signed. He was the one that was traded from Seattle to Kansas City's making twenty point eight million dollars years a pass rusher. So perspective is just some perspective. In terms of the nine million budget pres gonna make compared to some of the other starting Outside Linebackers. You look at what TJ watts going to get another going to pick up TJ watts fifth year option next year for the following season. When he has that as a as is available, but at the same time, I think a depre- it's kind of. A steel in my opinion, if he plays. Well, great if not like, I said, you cut ties you move on Jesse ass here. He says I was hoping Ben Rothlisberger wasn't going to want Russell Nelson money. But clearly, he did this is a great segue. Said at the beginning of this case you joined us late if you have not listened to Lance Williams. Yeah. I said at this week, please do he spends a lot of time breaking down saying essentially that if you thought that Rothlisberger was going to give this a hometown discount, your foolish, and he doesn't just say opinion. He goes into the numbers. He looks at other salaries why he was paid that much and to be honest with you again, I said this in so many different other shows if you're mad at you can't be mad at Rothlisberger for getting thirty million year towards the salary cap. Be mad at the Baltimore Ravens for when they gave Joe flacco that huge inflated deal. Be mad at the Minnesota. Vikings forgiving Kirk cousins as much as he makes. And it's all guaranteed all these contracts for his bad at Matthew Stafford for the Detroit, Lions and other one all these contracts that are so inflated. They changed the game. Completely changes the game. So when the minute that Kirk cousins got that guaranteed contract with the Minnesota Vikings. What did it do it 'cause the ripple effect and all these other players that were looking for contracts or saying he got all this guaranteed money? I want all this guaranteed money changes the landscape guy like Kirk cousins is making Liz a twenty six point eight million dollars a year a guy like Ben Rothlisberger is gonna say he's making twenty six point eight I've been to three Super Bowls in one two of them. He can barely win a playoff game. I want twenty six point eight plus up. And so this is his final contracts in the National Football League. Let's assume and he he wants to get paid one last time. It's stuff to argue against it. Yes fan, you want him to say, you know, I'll just take twenty two twenty three which is about his salary cap hit right now. I think he's up to twenty six this year because they deferred so much money back to the end of his contract. But still you could. Hey, I'm fine with twenty four twenty five or keeping the same twenty six eight went for thirty. And he got thirty next year when this really kicks in it went Antonio Brown's money comes off the books the Sears will provide they'll be fine. Trust me. It'll be fine. So. Ollie's Tom Brady gets it his salaries and underrated aspect of the New England success in his arms opinion here something that I did not know, but it has been reported on that has been swept under the rug is that everyone talks about how Tom Brady gives his team hometown discount. How about the New England Patriots pay Tom Brady threw his TB twelve program. This is true Simon Chester who is my deputy editor for violence, so curtain dot com actually was telling me about this. And sent me a link to some articles from like, the Boston Globe and things like that. Where the Tom Brady is getting paid. He is getting paid a lot of money. And there was an investigation, and it didn't last very long, and it's a National Football League. And he is the golden goose of the football. And so the investigation kind of went dry. He is getting paid folks. Don't let them fool you. He's getting paid. Okay. So let's see here. Go through here. Juice was all that Tyler Medicaid, which top of the cage is a player that could be without a job coming up with the signing of Ulysses. Gilbert what a name Ulysses Giller. I I must say it should be. I think I'm gonna just gonna call him you Liz grant to make it easier. But he's a really athlete inside linebacker from Akron, and Jerry Sandusky after he was drafted talked about how he has good football roots in Ohio is a football hot bed. Just like Pennsylvania's of football hotbed, just like Florida is a football hot bed, and that he really is going to be a very good player for a good special teams player. That's what's how Medicaid which is. He's nothing but a last ditch resort player on the inside. And on top of all that he is a guy that plays special teams. Well, but I'm not saying that that's going to be like, the he's the be all end all to the special teams unities. Replaceable. So all right. Ryan gave us to use the super Chad feature gave us ten bucks. Thank you Ryan appreciated. He's going to give this money to the go fund may descend internal Brown to English class, but he left so it's yours. Now. Love your Chad sayings, Ryan, thank you very much. We really appreciate that. And intern your Browns Oakland's problem now, he can tweet all he wants. But really they can enjoy him over there on the west coast. I'm not gonna miss him at all to be honest. I might MRs production on the football field. But that's about it. And here's a question. I'm just kind of stick bowling here. The end of the show does anyone else? Remember the play and trying to that Heinz field and Ben Rothlisberger. Scrambled in for a touchdown. If might have been the Cleveland game, I'm trying 'cause the Cleveland game was the game. They were their throwback uniforms. And if you watch this, and you were there or you remember this game. Brothers were scrambled end scored a touchdown. He's getting a be celebrating with his family failing. Basically sale is brotherhood the broad band of brothers. He celebrated his linemen that he scored a touchdown. And he turns and looks at Antonio Brown who said something to him. And he said in a in a edit this stop being a blanking baby. And I I remember seeing that thinking oh man that that's there's trouble in paradise when that's happening on the football field. And I wasn't alone. I got a text message from my dad at that time and said, he's a did you just see that what he said, I said absolutely Salvatti said, and that's all's me would interning Brown was there. It wasn't just a locker room thing. It was actually a on field thing too. So take that for what it's worth all. He says a Hibs Dana mccullers is gone. I don't think that. Well. He's his contract is such that, honestly, he could be cut at any time. And it's going to be a huge, you know, salary cap hit just like when John Boston was recently released at right after this dealer sign their undrafted free agents after the NFL draft finished up. They announced it they were terminated his contract. And the reason why is probably several reasons that they had to get there. They had to get off season roster to ninety players. And that's also why the day after Ryan shazier is put on the physically unable to perform reserve list us he won't play this year, and he won't count towards the roster spot. But also, I think they're doing him a solid Bostick by saying look we understand we're moving on. We have this draft. Pick Devin Bush traded up to get him me, obviously, he's a big players, but a big part of our future when it gives you a chance to go try to find a new home. So we're going to give you that this time in the offseason. Hey, if he goes up and get signed by team. I don't know say the Jacksonville Jaguars. He'll have time to go down. There will be there for their off-season. Workouts. I think they were doing masala there. But I think the Dana MacOS is a guy that could absolutely be in the same exact path that they look and say we really need this guy would just as Ahah bugs was just a drafted defensive end tackles. I've guy to really need him. He's going to have to earn his spot is what I'm saying. He's going to have to earn his spot. Holy crap. Someone just said I can't wait for the preseason. I think that might be a first people were excited for the preseason. I excited for the preseason for a lot of reasons. I like to see like the quarterbacks, you know. We've all seen Ben Rothlisberger played for fifteen years. But I wanna see how Joshua dog. How does Mason Rudolph? Look how does my Tomlin handle the quarterbacks? I wanna see some of these players get on the football field, and this sometimes it's the only chance you get to see big about Mason Rudolph last year. He played in a preseason those it hasn't played since. So they there's that someone getting bet with Bo which by the way, though. Before I forget got the photos. It looked like your parents who attended he he was the winner of our we give gave way those two tickets to Steelers draft party where they announced the draft picks. Everything it look like your parents had an awesome time, they met rocky Bleier had pictures taken advanced McDonald. I think exact banner was another one super pumped. We're gonna share those on our social media platforms probably tomorrow. So that was awesome. Glad they hope they had a really good time. We appreciate siennas fetters of. But he said he's hype for the Michigan state or back. That's just lane. There's everything I've read everything I've watched about him says it absolutely you should be excited about Justin laying he's he's long. He's a former wide receiver. So he has good ball skills. That's something that you haven't had a long time. And I think that he someone that can really learn in this rookie season ends up meeting. He's not gonna play. But he learn about the. This is some in learn galley Joe Haden who rubble being one of his players. You grew up in Cleveland was the Browns fan. So it's going to be really interesting how how that works out. So. Alley says Jeffers ready to see James Washington pres. I'm excited to see gene Washington, period. I'm executive read about his OTA work. How these doing there how he's doing in training camp? Because MandA they need this guy. They they need to hit on Jane's Washington. As a second year former second round pick. They need him to step up in a big way for a lot of reasons. Mainly that Antonio Brown's gonna juju Smith Schuster need some help on the outside tonight. I had well actually we're a little bit later tonight because I had a softball game. I play adult softball, and I was talking to another player of mind. And he said all you guys are going to be done. He's a ravens fan years are dominating. Tony brown. That's out think. So James Washington needs to play. Well for them to have a good passing. I think Moncrieff is going to be there. But if they can have to outside weapons, so the juju can move to the slide. It'd be versatile move around. They get match ups. That's when this offense will be really. Really dangerous. Okay. Last question. Here you ever is Bryan Switzer who gets at spot. I do think in some of the day's goof you'll pointed out after the draft when they took the Johnson. And we all thought there's not going to be space for them. I think they can keep both. I really think they can keep a I like Switzer a lot. He showed tremendous toughness last year going over the middle. He's a decent return guy. I think that they can keep both like allied Rogers as well. So we'll see how that goes that's going to be a camp battle for shore to keep an eye on. So with that said, I think everyone for watching if you communicated with me in the live chat. I really appreciate it. Because sometimes if I if I didn't get questions, it'd be a really short show. So the Steelers burning question will Devin Bush live up to the hype I want to know, what do you think? Good YouTube leave a comment like it. Subscribe to our channel if you haven't yet, and I'm curious to hear what you. Think about Devon Bush. Will he lit up to the hype into dozen nineteen if you're listening to this or watching this on behind so curtain dot com. Go to the comments action. Let us know what you think as well. It's a discussion piece for a lot of people, and it's good to talk about it. So with that said, I appreciate all the help in the live chat. I appreciate all. Your over listening makes you join us tomorrow night for now live episode of the Steelers preview will see next week. Another episode of the Steelers, Bernie, my name is Spencer hall by name is Jason Kirk. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown. Full stran- kick telling you novel from this forecast is technically a college football podcast. 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