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"detective smith" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

07:33 min | Last month

"detective smith" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"And it follows the audio diaries of a veteran detective Lou Smit, who died about 10 years ago. 11 years ago, he kept very specific diaries of his investigation recordings of himself talking about the investigation. And one of the things that that he talked about. At the time was the DNI, a evidence that police had found at the crime scene. It was found under JonBenet's fingernails. It was in her underwear. And he said Detective Smith said that this evidence was not something that was made public. Quite a long time and analysis found that it did not match anyone in the Ramsey family. Their first formal interrogation was the spring of 1997. This was four months after the death. After that it would take nearly two years for them to sit down with police for another interrogation. And this is the This is what happens. I think when you have money, which obviously the Ramseys did they could afford the best defense attorneys and those defense attorneys were saying you are suspected of doing this the You know, there are people who believe if it's not if it's public. It's one thing, but there are law enforcement. Agencies that believe you did this, So we have to be careful. That's why it would take months before they would negotiate a deal to sit down for an interrogation. The interrogation ultimately took place at a different police departments and Boulder investigators who initially botched this whole thing up were forced to watch from a separate building. Tom Haney, a detective with the Denver PD. Interrogated Patsy. Well, Smit interrogated the dad. John Yeah, and the detective from Denver. Tom, Haiti. He said there there could be trace evidence that might link Patsy Ramsey to the murder. But She said. That's absolutely impossible. There's nothing that would link me to it. There's no physical evidence, and Lou Smit was one of those guys who also said the family had nothing to do with this. Investigators found nothing incriminating about the Ramseys interrogation. And Smith's daughter, Cindy, said the interviews firmed up his belief for downs belief that the Ramsey had nothing to do. Smith said in his tapes. I'm not saying parents don't kill their kids. Parents do kill their Children. But the police are trying to say Patsy did it their actions before, during and after the death of all consistent with innocents, people they didn't do it. On blue Smith stood by till his dying day. His theory that there was an intruder that was involved that there was an open window in the basement. When John found his daughter and yes, there were cobwebs that were there. There were questions about whether it adult male he assumed perpetrator in this case would have been able to fit through the window. So Lou Smit house, hoist himself up and fits through the window to prove his point. Even though he stepped away from his official role in the case. Lou Smit was a guy who constantly advocated for justice while standing beside the Ramseys. In all of this, he continued to look for information, even though like you said he stepped away. He continued to look for information. He had compiled it all into a database. He believed the answer to the identity of the killer lay in that'd Nef ound underneath her fingernails and end the underwear. And by 2008 nude nanotechnology had been developed called Touch DNI allowed forensic experts to test the dead skin cells left behind on objects at crime scenes. Mary Lacy, who is the D A of Boulder at the time, decided to use the new test on JonBenet's leggings, and the results came back positive for at least one unknown male's Dnepr, possibly even two. Now again, I've feel like this is one of those stories that when we when the technology catches up with whoever did that this is one of these big cases that's going to be solved through this. Because we do have some evidence. It's not a lot. I mean physically. It's not a lot of evidence. But there's enough there that we could sort of reverse engineer it that that family tree like we've seen in so many cases recently, based on the DNA's that we do have he did create a database to narrow down suspects. Smith did. Among the names on the list were Gary Lleva, a homeless man who frequented a church. Listen two blocks from the Ramsey home and told a friend during a phone call right after somebody was killed that he had just killed a little girl. Already is ultimately cleared a leva because they were unable to connect him to the crime scene. There was Bill McReynolds, who appeared in the database a man who dressed up as Santa for Christmas parties at the home for three years. His DNA's did not match. It was another guy Michael Helge off, owned a pair of high tech boots. They found a similar shoe print next to her body and a stun gun. He actually died by suicide shortly after JonBenet's murder, But he was cleared because they found his DNA's didn't match the DNA's the crime scene. They've got about 20 people in the database, and Smith's daughter says. We're just trying to eliminate people from the list were trying to keep at it, and we'll just whittle it down to the one person remaining on The list. This. The end of this is that we know the grand jury ended up accusing both John and Patsy Ramsey of unlawfully knowingly recklessly and feloniously permitted a child to be reasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury. That child's life or health as well as Rendering assistance. The problem that the grand jury had was. They couldn't tell you which one killed her and which one helped. That was their problem. That's what the grand jury said. I also mentioned that one guy that came out of the woodwork one time to claim that he was the one who killed JonBenet Ramsey. His name was John Mark Karr. He was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand, when he falsely confessed to murdering her. It turns out all he was saying about the murder was stuff that would have been publicly known any way that he could have gotten just from news reports or even reading books about the case at the time. He eventually changed his name and is apparently intending to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Those somebody close to him, said the only reason he wanted to do that was so that he could get close to young girls in a sex cult that he was gonna now That's got something for everyone, doesn't it? Yeah, So anyway, the name of this show one Discovery Plus based on loose mitts. Auto Audio Diaries is called JonBenet Ramsey. What really happened? I always thought it was the brother because he came across so bizarre a side note. Also a little footnote. All of this when the Ramseys were accused publicly in the tabloids, and this and the brother Linwood defended them. Linwood, one of the lawyers that was going after the election irregularities for Donald Trump, so funny. It's weird, You know, Funny is the right word, But I mean, I'm funny, funny. Ha ha. Interesting. Interesting is my mother would say she would add, and she would have a syllable though I always thought it was the brother that did it. And then the parents tried to cover it up and the injuries were all just so weird and all over the place. You know, almost like a child did that. You know, I don't know this bizarre. Uh, when we come back tasty Tuesday, Neil surveyed was going to join us, Gary in Chan, and we'll be right back after Layla Muhammed gives us an update on the new lawyers say.

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"detective smith" Discussed on WGN Radio

WGN Radio

05:56 min | 7 months ago

"detective smith" Discussed on WGN Radio

"Dot com slash sports book for details. If you're someone you know, has a gambling problem, Crisis counseling and referral services could be access by calling 1 800 gambler. It is 6 51. It's our Friday food feature with Lieutenant David Hands of the Chicago Police Department and let's get to this week's big restaurant review. Although Dave didn't report that I shot of best ever 15 over party is today. We'll put that on the next sports report. Don't worry. Well, Okay. So this week I finally got some days off, but we had some really nice weather. Nice motorcycle weather, So I Ah I was able to go out. Get on a ride and go out to spring Grove, Illinois. So I my wife and I stopped there. Casey's cabin. Ah, my wife, Annie. And I should mention there. You Yeah, You know, I always always give your wife a shoutout spring growth. Spring Grove, 309, Illinois route 73 Spring Grove and it's right by Chain of Lake State Park, so camped overnight, and it's also close the Willman Mountain as we get close to this skiing season, But Casey's cabin has this great. It was first of all is recommended by Detective Bob Smith of the Carjacking Task Force. He's been busy lately and sure. Yeah, especially today on there's this a place that you Ah, heard about knew about before the Detective Smith told you. Well, it's Yeah, it's one of those places. I I actually I go camping a lot at China Lake State Park, and I Go riding out in that area used have a friend that lived in any act for a died. And so I used to go by it all the time. I don't remember ever being there before this poor this past week because I want to remember the outdoor They have this beautiful outdoor place. And when you when you drive by the front of it, it looks like like a typical, You know, vacation when you're in Wisconsin kind of bar restaurant would see. Yeah, but when you go in and you go into the back, it's his beautiful back area. They got huge stage out back. I was there one night. There live music. They haven't very much like music this this year, but they do have October fest coming up in a couple weeks like a great hang out. It's a great hangout, and they have Ah volleyball court. You know, for a little sand thing for the kids to play in. And big, huge picnic tables, and it was quite a few people there a lot of bikes, so it's a It's a big biker place. How's the food? The food was great. And now they have, like, okay, they have three different types of food. They have your regular bar, food, all your fried stuff. All your fried stuff They have there, of course, and they have great burgers, including. Ah, the Widowmaker, which ah, it's got ah, a hamburger cheeseburger with an egg and bacon on it. It's got everything that you need to just raise up that heart rate, you know, after you after a long day of writing all your sustenance, all your food groups. And they also have the hamster. Which is a It does not have a hamster outed as ham Andi with, you know, real good hands, you know free. I'm trying to get off the bone and off the ice on the burger. They also have Ah, pub pizza, which is, you know, you get a lot of these bars. And on Friday nights they have a fish special were. Of course we're getting to the Friday night. You know, I hope we're gonna have him this year where you go with me and my wife. Dr up those constant try to find a Friday night fish fries all the time and Ah, and the Ah have a Saturday rib special, too, And all the food is really good. They also have breakfast if you're there If you're camping out there and have brunch on Sunday mornings, they have music along with your brunch. And so ah! It's It's a great family place. Great place to go. If you just want to get out of the city because we've been stuck inside all year long. You get a nice day. You want to take a ride right up. It's like maybe an hour away if you don't take the expressway. So it was a nice drive out there and, you know, and plenty of room to meet outside. Plenty of room need outside plenty of room to be socially distant. You get no play volleyball. Few. I don't but you could Casey's Gabin and it's on route 1 73. In spring Grove, Illinois. Yeah, Alright, good. We'll check that out. Get the news here from the North Western Medicine newsroom coming up at seven. Here's the restaurant news, and I hope you have more openings and closings. That's what's going on. Well, how about we do the closings? First causes some bad bad news. We just talked about well street market reopening and other closing down. Um, there they still have a little hope that they might reopen. We know it all depends on what's going on with the covert. I think in the next couple of months we're going to start singing really? Bad things. But ah, But yeah, the well street market closed down and also another place We've talked about that we reviewed Monty's a Philly cheese steak place up on tall men and lords had a fire on Tuesday. And many of the best Said. The best Philly cheesesteaks. First of all second of all the owners, that type of guy, they flew their bread in from Philadelphia because they wanted to be authentic. That's the place on Talmon Talmon, they can open again. I hope the statement that guy said was it kind of depends on insurance. It didn't destroy the building, so if they can come up with a way in You know, But who knows? I mean with the business the way it is, nowadays is they're probably gonna have to do some cost benefit analysis and see if it's working out. Time for one other tidbit of restaurant news. Well, Cat to Sando eyes opening up 30 to 20 West grand in there. They're capitalizing on these Japanese sandwiches. He's little Sando sandwiches. And they are they have a very eclectic for you, isn't it? Yeah, well, you know, it's just It's getting to be a big thing. You know, they have this 11 sandwich. Can't wait. Try called green AIDS and span 30 years ago when I was in Korea and Okinawa, I couldn't believe how.

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"detective smith" Discussed on NewsRadio WIOD

NewsRadio WIOD

02:37 min | 10 months ago

"detective smith" Discussed on NewsRadio WIOD

"I. O. D. at six oh four in the corona viruses now at the UCF football team the university of central Florida counting three unidentified players have come down with covered nineteen that they are under quarantine the players are among sixty who returned to campus for voluntary workouts that started last week and the school says the players will not be able to rejoin the team until they test negative for the virus I think so for the fed expected to release its updated economic projections during a virtual press conference this afternoon Bankrate's Greg McBride says interest rates are as low as they can go and will remain there for some time the fed's language in their updated economic projections are really gonna illustrate the fact that they're not in any hurry to raise interest rates even if the economic recovery ends up being a little bit stronger than we were expecting just a few weeks ago he says the latest unemployment report shows hope that the economy is expected to be hit by a double whammy at the end of the second quarter as millions of Americans continue filing unemployment claims at the same time the stimulus runs out economists say the US entered a recession February ending the longest expansion on record lord center Marco Rubio gets a chance this morning to question treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin about the paycheck protection program and the economic injury disaster loan program the chair of the Senate committee on small business and entrepreneurship is convening a hearing on the implementation of title one of the cures act revealed last week credited the PPP for helping small business owners rehire workers leading to the unemployment rate falling to thirteen point three percent in may six of five a man caught in a car chase and Broward may be responsible for a double murder fort Lauderdale police say two people were found stabbed to death yesterday morning on Lauderdale beach right along north ocean Boulevard three hours later we reported that police chase that ensued a search for the saps I suspect led to that chase that ended on I ninety five north in Deerfield beach now investigators are looking to see if the driver of that jeep that they have in custody may be responsible for the two killings the victim of a hit and run in Miami Dade maybe a step closer to justice police arresting of interest Lisa Smith for hitting a pedestrian and fling the scene last month on Miami beach right by the fountain bleu the victim survived but required several surgeries police say Smith's attorney told detectives Smith had a green light when the pedestrian crossed Collins Avenue the players and owners maybe at the stalemate about starting a new baseball season but the league is still looking ahead to the future it's draft day for the Miami Marlins that means the third overall pick and six overall two thousand twenty class is really strong it's much much deeper two thousand nineteen class Marlins amateur scouting director DJ.

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Police arrest woman allegedly connected to Miami Beach hit-and-run

South Florida's First News with Jimmy Cefalo

00:19 sec | 10 months ago

Police arrest woman allegedly connected to Miami Beach hit-and-run

"The victim of a hit and run in Miami Dade maybe a step closer to justice police arresting of interest Lisa Smith for hitting a pedestrian and fling the scene last month on Miami beach right by the fountain bleu the victim survived but required several surgeries police say Smith's attorney told detectives Smith had a green light when the pedestrian crossed Collins Avenue

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

09:04 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"Hey we're Henry Marcus. Host of the last podcast on the left are shows dedicated to uncovering hilariously horrifying stuff. Like alleged ILLUMINE CONSPIRACIES SATANIC DOOMSDAY CULTS. And of course unfounded claims alien contact and now the last podcast and the left is exclusively on spotify. And we want you to join us. That is if you want to. Obviously we'd never force anyone to just blindly joining no way just because we're super into urban legends and colts who do creepy things like. Chan that mean we are creepy coal and matching linens. Fashionably running around trying to get innocent people to absolutely knock. That'd be crazy but if you like stories about doomsday cults that do exactly that and more than pleased on spotify visit spotify dot com slash. Last podcast to listen free in Colorado. Doug Leanne Guinea and John. Andrew Ramsay are preparing to make their first call at the boulder home of Clay Henderson. So we are about to go visit the son of a person who used to work for John. Ramsey's company here in boulder access graphics back in the nineties and I'm with John Andrew Ramsay and we're going to see if this person would give us a DNA sample. We have the supplies. We HAVE THE SWABS. We have the sanitary gloves. And this fellow has Two addresses that we know of one here in Boulder And one in a suburb north of here. And we're going to give it a try and John said he'd come along absolutely. What's your expectations today? Well you know this is the one we've talked about for years and it's time that we just in the speculation right and my hope is is we are going to click the DNA and rule this guy out to ruin the next week but my expectation is we're able to Dna without a lot of fanfare and and the next one and we've heard that which is true. We've heard that his DNA was collected several years ago. Kind of on the sly but it was mixed with other. Dna and the results came back inconclusive. So we still don't know and that's why we're going to give it a try today and then we have other people on our list today and we'll see how many we get to but we're going to head off now and try this man. Klay Henderson is not only at home. He agrees to talk to Doug and John Andrew with tape rolling. No one's ever come talk to me about this really ever no way. Why do you laugh about it? I well no I I mean I wouldn't even how they're drying from here to to where I'm at seems some remote. I think laughing because because there are people who you know you would think not necessarily you. I'm not trying to point finger here but a pretty like circumspect. I'm not sure that's the word. They were limited and who. They kind of talked to you because they were folks. Dave being the Boulder Police Department at the time. We're pretty focused on on the family right so like so the fact I think it just strikes me that well of course they wouldn't come talk to you because they didn't talk to probably a lot of people I don't want to be totally unfair to them is. This has been a long time. I don't know all of who they've talked to. But certainly the impression and the impression I think Lewis Smith. God was Fairmont blinders on when it came to the police department. There were not the same number of blinders on when it came to the District Attorney's office and so I don't mean if I am offended you I apologize but it's just like it does didn't quite surprised me but nobody would ever think surprise me a little bit but I'm not first person to knock on your door. Same would be true for your brother. Nobody ever came talked to him. No nineteen ninety five ninety six. Maybe six he would have been here in College at Montana. State to my knowledge. Yeah and he would have been there over the Christmas holidays. Six possibly nineteen ninety-six. I was living gun barrel just North Boulder. I mean no one's talked to me about it. I mean my dad. Here's what I know. Here's what I know logically. I would assume they would to Sandra up. Because she was terminated from access. She was in a halfway house she'd been divorced for. My Dad had a not so great divorce. She fingered she fingered my dad. My Dad you know acts inside edition and all those news magazine TV news magazines. That they came to his house knocked on his door. Dad gave hair and blood samples to them. They ruled him out immediately. Any deeper than that. I don't see where you could go with us as a field. That's all Klay. Henderson is not only willing to talk to Doug and John Andrew. He seems genuinely mystified that he or his brother should be on detective. Smith list of suspects at all was on Smith's list like that. We're has gone near. That's what I'm wondering. How did you get my news from Rubicam killer? Reno's eighteen thirty instead. That's kind of. It's not okay. So bar fell within that range by my dad. And he he was I but profiles light. Go ahead sure I'm well I'm just saying I mean that I understand. I understand those kinds of statistics but Clay the the list has been held closely by Cindy and their group. We do not like I couldn't go to my computer or to you know notebook and tell you I can see the list I cannot. I don't have access to. We asked go through like he had some priorities. I'm not even saying your priority. Get some priorities. We ask him for the priorities to check off. And that's why we're sure you have to think I know. It seems sort of seems insulting and challenging. But it's but it also is. It's just like I'll just check it out and I'm not insulting and and you do the right the little inappropriate to come to a home and say you know like they're you know it. I mean I understand a cold-case twenty twenty plus years in the making. I understand Matt just like any any person who is interested in the time you know we all watched it on TV. We've seen a bunch of expose shows on it. You've been intrigued and had our theories but it's I think even more so now that you've shown up at my house just goes to show you I mean how even remotely I mean how remote they are from an finding any because I mean I'm such a stretch to that point I mean I can't even fathom cash. I mean it's great that you show enough and I wish you the best your podcast because those are cool. But I'm just is intrigued as anybody to find out what actually happened but but I mean to to get you to you even get from. My stepmother was not my stepmother at the time anymore but Berenson might have been divorced and even further reach was that she fingered my dad. But that's understandable because she received you know in a halfway house and had nothing to loops.

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

05:12 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"Dna was found on the scene was salaried her panties and under fingernails. The de Mayo. That was found in her panties and under her fingernails to this day is still not identified when you look at the DNA this which you cannot say his others innocent explanation for why you would have four Indian name on her long Johns on her underwear and under her fingernails of which all the same source. I would tell you in my experience of almost two decades of law enforcement experience that if there was a suspect who's DNA matched the victims underwear long johns and under her fingernails. That person would rise to the top as being a suspect but I think this case assault yes through genetic DNA that it has to be actively and vigorously sued by the Boulder Police Department in terms of trying to track that fear me and I don't know if they're doing it. Welcome to episode eight of the killing of Jon. Benet the final suspects. I'm your host Danielle Robea. We have been following up the work of detective Lou. Smit who went to his grave convinced. That jonbenet's killer was one of the names. On an exhaustive spreadsheet of suspects. He had spent nearly fifteen years compiling detective. Smith's daughters Cindy Mara. Who is working with our team details? Just how much work he put into it. He talked to anybody who wanted to talk to him. Anybody who had a tip anybody who wanted to give their support to him. He would always talk to them but I think you know the majority of it. He spent hundreds and hundreds of hours putting together that spreadsheet and putting together the case files going through those case files just organizing at all figuring out what was their cross-referencing Having my brother his son Come up with the program. You know CODA program so that he could keep track of all of the information cross reference it. That's what he spent his time doing as we learned in previous episode one of the most compelling names on that spreadsheet concern the Henderson family. As jonbenet's father John Ramsey explains well one of the untold important things to look for a motive in any killing and this one person had a potential motive in that The mother who worked for my company was caught embezzling fair amount of money and we terminated her. She eventually my understanding was was onto another company yet the same thing and then was put prison so we thought well. There's a motive for a relative husband angry. Whoever got her put in prison so there was some interest in siblings. The Embezzler John. Ramsey had parted ways with with Sandra Henderson and those two siblings were her. Stepson's clay and Cameron Henderson and detective Lou. Smit wanted more information from them before he died and yet after an initial inquiry the boulder. Pd seemed content to strike the Hendersons from their investigation. Here's local reporter. Paula Woodward I have tried to find out whether or not the boulder police department is actively pursuing genetic in a and. I haven't been able to get an answer so I don't know I find it strange. That they wouldn't say they were if they were but then a lot of what they have done has been strange including. Are you looking at genetic? Dna to try to track who the killer might be. And then not getting an answer to me. That's very basic but now our team led by investigative reporters. Doug Long Jeanie and Dylan Howard. Along with Jon Benet expert Jamison and loose daughters Cindy Mara had decided the Hendersons might be worth finding and long Guinea. Has Some News Center? Henderson had children and given its. He had a grudge or could have had a grudge against John Ramsey and access graphics. She herself was in a halfway house on Christmas evening. But where were kids and could hurt bad feelings against excess graphics against John Ramsey himself? Could that have spurred on her children to do something horrible? The satisfy their other step. Ma I mean that's a question. We don't know the answer to that and listen. It wanted to talk to her kids. I found that a number of Sandra Henderson's Kit. Its live in the boulder area in the Denver area. And I'm going to go out and see if I can talk equipped with portable recording equipment. We joined dug.

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

02:26 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"It was it for you personally. Attention or your hair. Nothing in particular but I just was starting. We were starting to be more visible and Every time we listen I go get sued. You're becoming a bigger target. For whoever wanted they charge unless midst final list of ten suspects. There are two names that stand out. As having business related grudges against John Ramsey. One of those people is a man who's own computer software company had gone under due to the competition from access graphics. He also had some very disturbing accusations made against him him in the years following. Jon Benet Murder Doug Long Jeanie and Jameson sat down with John Ramsey and detective Smith case file to discuss his possible motives. Unfortunately one of the suspects discussed has never been publicly named the Jon Benet murder case and for legal reasons we have had to remove his name from the episode episode. One of the guys that is guiding says here now just had a known grudge against the ramseys due to being put out of business by John Ramsey K. He then working for a software company. Maybe even in win your business came into town plus That would be the motive. I could not see in loose files that anything had been done as far as handwriting fingerprints. Or anything like that. We need to explain the loose spreadsheet has names and then has kyle's a rose for alibi what would it be tested. Nothing was done on this man Deaths the reason why he's on my list because he was he just looks like a person they had the background in every from tippy it was a quote competitor at the very least we need to try and talk to the suspect who appeared on loose mitts original possible suspects list. Monteiro has a lead on his whereabouts and tries to call him. We've disguised the voice in the call for legal reasons.

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

04:52 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"This is John Ramsey well. I subscribed John Douglas's theory John. Douglas it is the fellow that set up the FBI. Crime profiling program is probably the world's expert in that field. He looked at our case and came back and said this was not about Jon. Benet this was against you John. Some of these either really ambridge you were Joseph. You in wanted hurt. You welcome to episode six of the killing of Jon. Benet the final suspects. I'm your host. I Danielle Robea. We've put together a new team of investigators led by season reporter. Doug Lunn Jeanie and Jon benet expert Jameson to track down. A list of ten suspects led by Detective Smith before he died and possibly finally solve a murder that has baffled the world since one thousand nine hundred sex in this episode. We're on the trail of two men. Both with professional grudges against John Ramsey. I can imagine I read anybody money. That angry I mean it's unbelievable. He saw you may not even known. They made his to be observed you've from afar. We were in the paper. The couple of weeks before Christmas Our company's name was achieving sales. School that we were proud of you know they had my. I don't picture with Ed. My Name's early in Edo so it was so boring for me to to think that this was because of something I'd done or said or how I treated someone. But he said you may not even know higgins competitor. That is Su- survive. 'cause we did well that's that's possible I don't know that would have been Jon. Benet was found dead in the cellar of the Ramsey home on the day after Christmas. Nineteen Ninety six. Initially John and Patsy Ramsey believe their daughter had been kidnapped after patsy woke to find a long ransom note on the staircase. The note had a very specific demand for money. Here's Doug Lumbini. You Know Jameson. The ransom note says quote. You will withdraw hundred eighteen thousand dollars from your account. Then it goes on to describe the what types of bills the hundred and eighteen thousand is but one hundred and eighteen. Thousand is a pretty odd number and I understand it. John Ramsey during nineteen ninety six earlier nineteen ninety-six had gotten roughly that amount as a a bonus for his work that excess graphics through Laki. That had a seem pretty suspicious to the police. I I really don't understand. And why because if I had just had a party and advertised world had new story saying business had passed a billion with a B. A billion dollars in sales that year are people in my community. Knew I was rich and he was. He had over seven million dollars. I would not pick a silly amount. Like one hundred and eight hundred thousand dollars for ransom. I would wanNA tell the world. My daughters were a million or a true. I thought that the amount being one hundred in eighteen thousand made it look like a bogus ransom knelt and his fire is that amount is concerned to begin with. We don't know for sure sure that that's where the hundred thousand on from. Maybe it's a guy's house number or is electric building a month. We don't know for sure what it was but Hello John Ramsey bonus in February. I leave in eighteen nineties. One hundred and eight hundred thousand one hundred seventeen dollars and fifty cents. It was listed on every pay stub for me up until the time of the murder and John Ramsey. Their house was kind of cluttered. Anybody wanted creepy. Be Crawling in that house and go look around information on the RAMSEYS spending it. I think most people would look at amount for a bonus as being almost insulting. People are struggling to get by and he bonus of that and I think our person saw and was angered by it and when he wrote this August note because the head waste time before they got home. Instead of did I think that when he picked reince momentum. It was a stab at John Ramsey. As John Ramsey you could not even stay here daughters length but the cost of board bonus I think it was a slap in the face never to intended via ransom but just slap in takes.

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

06:30 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"You police by nature our fraternity right. It's a brotherhood and and as I see it with these guys did a circle the wagons and they protected their own and they fought viciously to protect their their own. The reputation and I don't agree with that. I would like to think if I was in their shoes I would have realized that I was outgunned. And you didn't have the experience to dissolve this and the reach out for help in nineteen ninety seven with their case floundering older PD brought in legendary retired. Detective Lou Smit who with hundreds of successful homicide investigations under his belt was seen as is the man to finally cracked the case. A year later he was forced to resign again. After presenting to the Department is absolute conviction that an intruder intruder was responsible for jonbenet's murder undeterred. He continued to work the case on his own steam until his death nine years ago. Did you ever get to meet loose-knit I did a couple times. The first time I met loose-knit they brought me in or asked to talk it to me about what you said. What do you know about stun-guns? I don't know anything about stun guns. You know and I to be frank at the time time. I was pretty distrustful and editor towards the police account lump Lou into that collective but yeah over time it learning of his reputation and it just seems work. You know that a man of integrity would just follow the truth. I mean that's hard to do in that environment where there's a lot out of public pressure. Everything was being leaked to the media. The world over day. Kinda stand on your principles. Hard to ease to tell me I'm GonNa get this going. You want to get him and he'd gotten a lot of criminals in his career. It's his reputation was founded on salt or hundred coal cases smets and detective. Smith did not work alone. Who was Ali Gray? All Gray was a retired tired homicide detective from California or also judge number years quite a career in law enforcement was retired in Colorado Springs and got interested in this case Early on and did quite a bit of work on the elude worked pretty closely together. We both lived in Colorado Springs all knew a lot about the case. Say Both Allure Long Time homicide detectives and and have lots of experience got a real life. Colombo's basically how did you first get involved with Janus. We became aware IRV Jameson. She was reported to have a very detailed timeline of information online about on our case and it was very accurate berry non biased. One way or the other wasn't trying to convince people were guilty or innocent. It was just the facts. She had a good reputation for website of being very accurate in this data less started fairly early on on and she has maintained it over the years. She very careful about making sure. It was accurate in correct. She put it on her site at that point wait. I was pretty well known as being a supporter of the intruder theory. I had made some enemies. The ramseys were aware of my existence. Assistance I became worried that somebody might pretend to be me to gain their trust and I thought I had to stop snap that so I met with them and when I came out here to again I came out here several times. Then and each time I would meet with those Smith. Just a wonderful guy and he introduced me to Ollie Gray and he introduced me do several other people they were working on the case. After Lewis Smith's death he left his case files to his daughter Cindy Mara as well as his master spreadsheet detailing every suspect for the murder of Jon Benet he developed this database of people have interest. In our case I'd come in his tips and each each name had a columnist. What had been done if anything on this tip was followed up on his DNA take three perch taken in intellect coughing very extensive database very thorough? And when he died he left that as legacy and and Cindy Mara his daughter is taken up that database and move forward on doing what Lou would have done had lived. So yeah. Yeah it's it's really a gift he left because you know as a family here we have. We have nothing else you know. The police haven't shared any really not any information with us. So the work that we did is what we've got it. Is this spreadsheet and a final shortlist list of ten suspects that is now forming the basis of our new investigation. Douglas Genie Jason and their team along with John and John John Andrew Ramsay are determined to finally finish with Detective Smith started and they formed his team if kept very low profile but they are basically taking lose extensive database of information on this case and methodically going through each dame each lead and either eliminated eminating or resilient and they're eliminating it based on Giddy. Dna We have foreign mail. DNA always voice have had in this case in lieu fell was going to be solved by fighting DNA mash. So they're going through and get Indian each of these people I I either take him off. The list is debated match. Or there's some connection than pursuing it for. They're going from the top down but they do you believe that the name of the killers.

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

06:30 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"You police by nature our fraternity right. It's a brotherhood and and as I see it with these guys did a circle the wagons and they protected their own and they fought viciously to protect their their own. The reputation and I don't agree with that. I would like to think if I was in their shoes I would have realized that I was outgunned. And you didn't have the experience to dissolve this and the reach out for help in nineteen ninety seven with their case floundering older PD brought in legendary retired. Detective Lou Smit who with hundreds of successful homicide investigations under his belt was seen as is the man to finally cracked the case. A year later he was forced to resign again. After presenting to the Department is absolute conviction that an intruder intruder was responsible for jonbenet's murder undeterred. He continued to work the case on his own steam until his death nine years ago. Did you ever get to meet loose-knit I did a couple times. The first time I met loose-knit they brought me in or asked to talk it to me about what you said. What do you know about stun-guns? I don't know anything about stun guns. You know and I to be frank at the time time. I was pretty distrustful and editor towards the police account lump Lou into that collective but yeah over time it learning of his reputation and it just seems work. You know that a man of integrity would just follow the truth. I mean that's hard to do in that environment where there's a lot out of public pressure. Everything was being leaked to the media. The world over day. Kinda stand on your principles. Hard to ease to tell me I'm GonNa get this going. You want to get him and he'd gotten a lot of criminals in his career. It's his reputation was founded on salt or hundred coal cases smets and detective. Smith did not work alone. Who was Ali Gray? All Gray was a retired tired homicide detective from California or also judge number years quite a career in law enforcement was retired in Colorado Springs and got interested in this case Early on and did quite a bit of work on the elude worked pretty closely together. We both lived in Colorado Springs all knew a lot about the case. Say Both Allure Long Time homicide detectives and and have lots of experience got a real life. Colombo's basically how did you first get involved with Janus. We became aware IRV Jameson. She was reported to have a very detailed timeline of information online about on our case and it was very accurate berry non biased. One way or the other wasn't trying to convince people were guilty or innocent. It was just the facts. She had a good reputation for website of being very accurate in this data less started fairly early on on and she has maintained it over the years. She very careful about making sure. It was accurate in correct. She put it on her site at that point wait. I was pretty well known as being a supporter of the intruder theory. I had made some enemies. The ramseys were aware of my existence. Assistance I became worried that somebody might pretend to be me to gain their trust and I thought I had to stop snap that so I met with them and when I came out here to again I came out here several times. Then and each time I would meet with those Smith. Just a wonderful guy and he introduced me to Ollie Gray and he introduced me do several other people they were working on the case. After Lewis Smith's death he left his case files to his daughter Cindy Mara as well as his master spreadsheet detailing every suspect for the murder of Jon Benet he developed this database of people have interest. In our case I'd come in his tips and each each name had a columnist. What had been done if anything on this tip was followed up on his DNA take three perch taken in intellect coughing very extensive database very thorough? And when he died he left that as legacy and and Cindy Mara his daughter is taken up that database and move forward on doing what Lou would have done had lived. So yeah. Yeah it's it's really a gift he left because you know as a family here we have. We have nothing else you know. The police haven't shared any really not any information with us. So the work that we did is what we've got it. Is this spreadsheet and a final shortlist list of ten suspects that is now forming the basis of our new investigation. Douglas Genie Jason and their team along with John and John John Andrew Ramsay are determined to finally finish with Detective Smith started and they formed his team if kept very low profile but they are basically taking lose extensive database of information on this case and methodically going through each dame each lead and either eliminated eminating or resilient and they're eliminating it based on Giddy. Dna We have foreign mail. DNA always voice have had in this case in lieu fell was going to be solved by fighting DNA mash. So they're going through and get Indian each of these people I I either take him off. The list is debated match. Or there's some connection than pursuing it for. They're going from the top down but they do you believe that the name of the killers.

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

06:30 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"You police by nature our fraternity right. It's a brotherhood and and as I see it with these guys did a circle the wagons and they protected their own and they fought viciously to protect their their own. The reputation and I don't agree with that. I would like to think if I was in their shoes I would have realized that I was outgunned. And you didn't have the experience to dissolve this and the reach out for help in nineteen ninety seven with their case floundering older PD brought in legendary retired. Detective Lou Smit who with hundreds of successful homicide investigations under his belt was seen as is the man to finally cracked the case. A year later he was forced to resign again. After presenting to the Department is absolute conviction that an intruder intruder was responsible for jonbenet's murder undeterred. He continued to work the case on his own steam until his death nine years ago. Did you ever get to meet loose-knit I did a couple times. The first time I met loose-knit they brought me in or asked to talk it to me about what you said. What do you know about stun-guns? I don't know anything about stun guns. You know and I to be frank at the time time. I was pretty distrustful and editor towards the police account lump Lou into that collective but yeah over time it learning of his reputation and it just seems work. You know that a man of integrity would just follow the truth. I mean that's hard to do in that environment where there's a lot out of public pressure. Everything was being leaked to the media. The world over day. Kinda stand on your principles. Hard to ease to tell me I'm GonNa get this going. You want to get him and he'd gotten a lot of criminals in his career. It's his reputation was founded on salt or hundred coal cases smets and detective. Smith did not work alone. Who was Ali Gray? All Gray was a retired tired homicide detective from California or also judge number years quite a career in law enforcement was retired in Colorado Springs and got interested in this case Early on and did quite a bit of work on the elude worked pretty closely together. We both lived in Colorado Springs all knew a lot about the case. Say Both Allure Long Time homicide detectives and and have lots of experience got a real life. Colombo's basically how did you first get involved with Janus. We became aware IRV Jameson. She was reported to have a very detailed timeline of information online about on our case and it was very accurate berry non biased. One way or the other wasn't trying to convince people were guilty or innocent. It was just the facts. She had a good reputation for website of being very accurate in this data less started fairly early on on and she has maintained it over the years. She very careful about making sure. It was accurate in correct. She put it on her site at that point wait. I was pretty well known as being a supporter of the intruder theory. I had made some enemies. The ramseys were aware of my existence. Assistance I became worried that somebody might pretend to be me to gain their trust and I thought I had to stop snap that so I met with them and when I came out here to again I came out here several times. Then and each time I would meet with those Smith. Just a wonderful guy and he introduced me to Ollie Gray and he introduced me do several other people they were working on the case. After Lewis Smith's death he left his case files to his daughter Cindy Mara as well as his master spreadsheet detailing every suspect for the murder of Jon Benet he developed this database of people have interest. In our case I'd come in his tips and each each name had a columnist. What had been done if anything on this tip was followed up on his DNA take three perch taken in intellect coughing very extensive database very thorough? And when he died he left that as legacy and and Cindy Mara his daughter is taken up that database and move forward on doing what Lou would have done had lived. So yeah. Yeah it's it's really a gift he left because you know as a family here we have. We have nothing else you know. The police haven't shared any really not any information with us. So the work that we did is what we've got it. Is this spreadsheet and a final shortlist list of ten suspects that is now forming the basis of our new investigation. Douglas Genie Jason and their team along with John and John John Andrew Ramsay are determined to finally finish with Detective Smith started and they formed his team if kept very low profile but they are basically taking lose extensive database of information on this case and methodically going through each dame each lead and either eliminated eminating or resilient and they're eliminating it based on Giddy. Dna We have foreign mail. DNA always voice have had in this case in lieu fell was going to be solved by fighting DNA mash. So they're going through and get Indian each of these people I I either take him off. The list is debated match. Or there's some connection than pursuing it for. They're going from the top down but they do you believe that the name of the killers.

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"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

07:55 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

"Israeli I wanNA tell you that this air here are your video recorded of volunteered statement. You're free to go over to stop this interview any time to wherever you hearing growing by now. That was a clip from patsy. Ramsey's please interview in the late. Ninety s this is John Ramsey. Today we were told us later by the district attorney was to release a lot of information to the media that was was suspicious. Made US look guilty. Tension guilty and the media would bring intense pressure on passing. I one of us at crack back during the confess as to be solved that was their whole strategy that was the only strategy yet and so the media of course ran with it. Big Time and convinced convinced seventy percent of the world that we were guilty of Maria child then the police recalling. Oh we can't bring a case because we don't have any evidence so so they kind of got back into core like Dang you know we. We thought one of them was going to confess that we solve the crime. We could've gone on TV and Indianapolis Welcome to part two of the killing of Jon. Benet Ramsey the final suspects. I'm your host Danielle Robea We do have a group here now on the ground knocking on doors and talking to people who know what happened. who were there? Were involved to have records. This is Jon Benet Ramsey expert Jamison in. Hopefully we can do something to get this investigation. Gatien advanced no matter how it takes if we have to do. If we can get the COPS to help us. That would be wonderful if we could convince somebody to step in. Take the case away from the police department. Give it to a cold-case group or the District Attorney's office again. That would be wonderful but we're determined to every effort we can get in this advanced before they can begin to work on formerly detective. Smith suspect list. We need to address the elephant in the room. From the moment John Ramsay discovered the body of his daughter in the cellar of their family. Home he and wife Patsy had become prime mm-hmm suspects in her murder. As far as the boulder police were concerned one or both of them did it period and thanks to increasingly rabid media interest crest and a million online conspiracy theorists that view became shared around the world. was there ever any evidence to back up this theory in this episode. We're going to discuss the case against the RAMSEYS. This is detective. Robert Whitson talking about the Boulder Police Department. There's something called confirmation bias and when you have that you don't want to hear anything that's contrary to year theory once you've made up to your mind you don't want to hear anything that would be contrary to that so I think that's what was occurring now of course they'll deny that according to figures from the US Department of Justice seventy four percent of all murder victims in America. No they're killer and over over one in five victims are killed by a member of their own family for the boulder. PD The initial. Focus of their investigation was naturally jonbenet's parents John and patsy eighty former sheriff's investigator. John San Augustine explains from the onset of this investigation. The Boulder Police Department has focus the Ramsey family. So you know what we're dealing with right now. Even twenty years later is a situation where because of their lack of objectiveness really in this case lack of really pursuing the the the truth and only focusing on the family they have not allow themselves to look at other potential suspects local news reporter Paulo Woodward also remembers cops refusing to keep an open mind on the case stars I know will the only suspects they really pursued or John and Patsy Ramsey. They have said that they pursued others. Looks at others from the information that I have an examining that investigation. They were locked onto the family by the first day and they didn't change their focus. Still they are suspects of the Boulder Police Department at Saint. John's DNA did not match patsy in John's handwriting did not match to the ransom note yet. They still were suspects of the Boulder Police Department. Those are two pretty definitive pieces of evidence that exclude the family. They were not excluded older. PD may have wanted to believe. The ramseys were guilty but they had no actual proof John or patsy were involved loved and his days to weeks and with the public demanding justice many close to the case say. The police began to manipulate the huge media interest to try to further their own cause errors of the case that initially happened at the crime scene or compounded rounded boulder police leaky misinformation on purpose and being picked up by rookie media reporters and run the first wake the leaks. Were Bing's just outright untruths like patsy. Ramsey wouldn't take a DNA test while she had that came from Boulder. Hold it please from police spokesperson. It was again very wrong a travesty. I just don't know why it will decrease that Robert Woodson was the on call detective supervisor in Boulder in nineteen ninety six and one of the first officers on the scene. He was a part the case from the start. There started to be news leaks within the media so obviously somebody it one or more people were giving the news media information up. Some of it was accurate. Some of it was inaccurate. And we didn't know who was doing doing that. So based on that police department decided to really limit access as far as you know who could have any access to the information information which I clearly understand why that was done unfortunately that then enders an investigation. Because sometimes the APP somebody one detected may have a piece of information that fits with a piece of information that another person has and if you don't on have that communication if it gets basically locked down then it may fall through the cracks in the system. So what happened at that. Point is just a few people became the what I would call the ongoing investigative team and they were the people that had had access to the information for the first four years. After this murder occurred. I was told by detectives that were working at who you did not give any specifics. They just told me the ramseys definitely were involved. That was definitely their focus with the ramseys were involved. And that's what I believe leap for the first four years I think they had group think going on and it was almost like tunnel vision. They were focused on on Patsy Ramsey that became the focus of this investigation..

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"detective smith" Discussed on Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

08:36 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on Dateline NBC

"It is soon to be father. Would i asked how she was feeling. So why did you ask that. I know before she went to texas. She was having morning sickness. Derek made sure to let jurors know that he liked. Christmas family marked time <music>. I'm in relation to her death. How long did you work at banning. <hes> i was well until about two weeks. After we lost crystal i heard that and see it bothered me so much to hear him say that because he never called he never cared he doesn't care as for the prosecution theory that he hatched a plot on the basketball court with schuyler more aka see styles to kill crystal daler impossible possible said derek for two reasons. I did you ever play basketball at this park also but more important to this case. Have you ever seen scouting donald more before and your life they also. They're also had an explanation for why he showed up on security video at a seven eleven near both moore's and crystals homes. They said he stopped for cash. After being at his aunt's house nearby. My mother asked me to run an errand for her to take my aunt a cooking device. It was something around. It was either a crock doc pot or a <hes> a pressure cooker. Derek forcefully denied any involvement in crystals murder. Did you have anything to do with the death of crystal taylor. No i did not so you have. Her killed ninety nine. Did you ever shot in the head so that she can give birth to your baby ninety nine. Nothing but derek was not done on the stand now came the risky part cross examination by the prosecutor determined to show the other side of derek's meyer jasko to get a paternity cardi tests because i was being responsible man i see well what response will be put on a condom sir irrelevant your jackson in the prosecutor forced derek to admit he had tried to convince crystal to terminate her residency. Did you tell her are to get an abortion. Not directly ma'am no so indirectly you told get an abortion yes man and for all his talk about losing crystal. The prosecutor pointed out. He never once tried to console her family. Did you sell lowers to the family when she died. No ma'am now you said the family a car a sympathy card when she was murdered now all of it was an attempt to show the jury that the comb softspoken derek meyer on the stand was a con real. Derek was an unrepentant criminal amused by his failed attempt at bank fraud. I didn't get my cut and you think that's funny. They'll on very embarrassed about it. Which is why i paused. I was very hesitant to say that but i wanted to tell the truth. Let that smile on your face. I think mr smith would you agree set it all as for derek story about going to his aunts the night before the murder to deliver a crock pot the prosecution fusion let derek and the jury now. They thought it was a crock of something else. You didn't tell detective smith about a trip to your off. What did you know maybe he was confident. Maybe he was smug and maybe he was a little too familiar with the rules of criminal law mr smart. Oh you didn't want another child. If crystal taylor had that baby you would have had a support two kids in two thousand and one. I'm sorry i believe best compound around. I don't know which ones would you try to the jury over with. You know like he just knew. The law was so impressed with him so he was very impressed with himself event. That eric has tried to you lyn once once again. Derek's fate was in the hands of the jury which derek would they believe was the real one this time crystals family didn't have to wait in yearly as long for a decision deliberations took barely more than a day. They did your in house there at look alex cockayne gain arrogant like he. He believes he's gonna get a not guilty. Verdict we the jury of entitled action find the defendant derek pulse meyer guilty of the crime murder. I gotta run out of there because now i can't even hold any motion. I wanted to green by the end like i was so happy i was so happy i was more than i ever been in my life closely. I'll a different emotion. They read that guilty verdict and a site time froze. I was in shock. How does this happen outside. The courtroom. A gesture from the opposing saad awed danielle off guard michelle came up to me in that hallway. I didn't shed any tears because trying to contain my emotion and she hugged me and she said she was sorry. <hes> bursted in tears bursted in tears because that to me is a true example of humanity regardless of what we've gone through and our families have both gone through a lot act lost a lot continue to grieve but but i appreciate it the humanity that she show their smile was sentenced to life in prison. See styles was also convicted convicted in crystals murder. Crystal son devante has reconnected with his dad but still hurts from the loss of his mom. I'm always going to miss her <hes> but i don't think she wanted to linger to like just let it hold me back. Everything that's happened. Cuban want you to be miserable. Yes is easier said than done. Sometimes it's at a lot of people to help me good family. Good friends crystals family one splintered now feel. They're coming together again. It's not the same they say as when crystal was with them but it's slowly getting better and they have a plea for other potential crystal taylor's out there. Nothing can bring back. This won't save her. This won't change anything for us but somebody knows knows they're in a relationship like this. Tell somebody every could happen to chrissy. It can happen anybody if you're with somebody who makes you feel threatened. Tell someone loudly housley and now if you hear someone else speak up. Don't let a cry for help. Go by good.

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"detective smith" Discussed on Court Junkie

Court Junkie

09:43 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on Court Junkie

"Like the first day of trial we had. I think we had <hes> now. I don't remember all the details but i know that we had well on the on the first day of jury selection. We had something like a total of six out of eighty who where people of color and maybe two black potential soldiers on the second day we had you know forty something potential jurors and they were all white every single one of them and so we move you know we had <hes> we we did file a motion to strike the venar which is which is the mechanism saying essentially. We're not getting a fair cross section so you should dismiss this for nari. We should start all over. The judge denied it and he kind of. I guess he didn't deny it. He withheld decision. He didn't take action on it and ultimately we did see to new jersey color and it's complicated because i think it's it's not like it's not a question of you can't assume that every person of color will have the same view of evidence but and durrell perspective all of ours was we. We want people from all different backgrounds. You know it's not just about having racially diverse jury. It's about having a socio hugh economically diverse and a an you know gender diverse and <hes> age diverse in a life experience diverse jury <hes> and that was really hard to accomplish given the the jury pool that we had but it absolutely played a really powerful role throughout <hes> the case and i think we were for all sensitized to it given the history of this first trial with an all white jury and the evidence jury bias in the deliberations that we we're all thinking about. How can we take steps to not repeat history here. I asked what the jury knew about terrell's first trial we we actually wanted to be candid and we thought that it was better for the potential jurors to know that the judge ended up telling them that there had been prior proceeding and and so there were questions about whether they would make any assumptions one way or the other based on the fact that there had been a prior proceeding but you know i mean there was nothing normal about this trial so you know the jury selection process was really challenging. It took several days. There were a lot of very intense emotional moments in addition visteon to making sure they didn't have the same jurors issues before the defense also had additional hurdles to overcome in a rather surprising move the judge had ruled that instead of recalling some of the same eye witnesses to the stand the prosecution would be allowed to just read the transcripts of their testimony from the first the trial at first prosecutors had requested to do this because many witnesses such as the medical examiner one of the lead detectives and two eye-witnesses he's had since passed away but then there were three other eye witnesses who had since come forward and provided affidavits in support of daryl's new trial and the judge. It's ruled that those witnesses could be replaced with the transcripts from their initial trial testimony as well. Here's how that particular part went down. The the defense had filed a motion to suppress the prior trials testimony from three witnesses lisa pena terry lynn starks and edna levin all three witnesses testified at that pretrial hearing and all three either said that they were pressured into identifying drawl or that they could not remember lisa lisa pena said that she couldn't recall any of the details of the shooting not even which she had testified to at the original trial she also accused detective smith of having having badgered her into identifying durell from the photo lineup he had showed her terry. Lynn starks told the judge that she couldn't remember anything from that night either. She said she had been on drugs and was drunk that night. She also testified that she had been arrested an outstanding prostitution warrants after the murder and that she was held in jail without out bail so detectives could get her to identify a photo of durrell. Edna levine testified that detective smith had threatened her with jail time and and told her that he would take her son away from her if she didn't i._d. Durell a photo lineup. He showed her for the judge. In the case judge cornelius moriarty didn't i didn't think for the three witnesses were credible with what they were saying now and so he admonished them telling them that perjury and a murder case is a serious offence offense he then assigned each one a court appointed attorney and told them to speak with her attorneys about their future testimony in the end the three refused refused to testify at the new trial and so the judge ruled that there prior testimony from the first trial could be used by prosecutors instead lisa explains leans further three or four witnesses who had provided affidavits in support of his trial motion and really largely had just reinforced some of the very problematic tactics at the police had used to interact with them back at the time of the investigation but the judge held hearing and ultimately concluded that they had a fifth amendment privilege because of the possibility that they could be charged with perjury trefor have for testifying inconsistently in some respects with what they had said at the time of trial so the prosecutor was able to essentially kick them off the stand by finding that they were unavailable and then to use their prior testimony so in the end not a single eyewitness testified from the stand and and so the majority of the prosecution's witnesses in the retrial were actually people who were not witnesses but who were reading transcripts of what was decide in the first trial from the stand virtually the commonwealth entire case came in through reading the transcripts of the original trial witnesses so they had a whole bunch of employees of the d._a.'s office who came in and sat on the stand and and then they read the prosecutor get to read the question and the witness agree the answer this month that the defense wouldn't be able to cross examine any of them. Lisa said they refuse to participate in this that they declined to read the transcripts of the trial attorneys cross examination and so the prosecutor read it out loud instead. This was all over our objection. We contended. Why should he be stuck with the original terrible job that has try lawyer did why why are we just reenacting that original and fair trial <noise> and we actually filed a motion that said something like you know motion to prevent an unfair reenactment of the original <hes> the original conflict conflict trial title or something like that but it was you know our point was. Why are we doing this. Why are we why are we retrying him using transcript of what we all can agree with an unfair trial but that's exactly what happened. I asked lisa how they were able to defend awro if they couldn't even do cross examinations of the witnesses well it was interesting so you know several of the eye witnesses had testified at we we moved to suppress their out of court identification because you know you remember none of these eye witnesses came to court at trial back in the eighties and identified him from the stand none of them so the only ide- evidence evidence arguably was was whatever they had said to the police officers out of court and we had moved to suppress those because we said the way those procedures were handled was so so unreliable that that it shouldn't be admitted into evidence. We lost that motion but the witnesses the same ones who were found to have a fifth amendment privilege. They testified at the suppression hearing so we were able to offer some limited you know basically we said well. This is our version of have a cross examination. We want off. We wanna read into the record the things they said at that suppression hearing that we the didn't come out at the time of the original trial that we would consider to be the equivalent of cross examining them if they were here and so the judge did allow us to do a little bit of that and that was <hes> so that in to the extent that we participated at all in this sort of charade of reading witnesses it was to read in the evidence that had been brought oh by us at the suppression hearing by all accounts the way this retrial played out was abnormal and it wasn't just lisa and the rest of daryl's defense team that seemed seemed to have reservations about having this retrial at all one of the most striking moments in the whole experience was right after we finished picking the jury so the jury you know we were it was thursday afternoon and we were going to start the trial on friday and the judge called us over to sidebar and he basically said <hes> he turned to the prosecutor and you know on the one hand he was. He was going out of his way to say. I'm not telling trying to tell you how to do your job but you know in light of what we now know in light of the you know the tampered evidence and the conflict of interest and the changes in identification. Don't you think that it and the fact that he spent thirty two years in prison. Don't you think that it might not be in the interest of justice to dismiss the charges. Have you considered that and you know not surprisingly. She said you know no. That's not you know. We don't think that's what happened here. That's why we offered him. A pleaded manslaughter so that was their view of justice. Testimony.

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"detective smith" Discussed on Court Junkie

Court Junkie

04:30 min | 1 year ago

"detective smith" Discussed on Court Junkie

"We ended up amending motion to include a claim there had been racial bias in the jury deliberation and we were able to do that because there had been an important u._s. Supreme court case that came down while motionless pending so you know gave us sort of a new legal vehicle to to raise this issue and then the judge held a hearing and several of the jurors including ms or body came in and testified so not only did she give a statement on video for the reporters but ultimately she came mm-hmm and then testified under oath <hes> before the judge who was considering the motion and she just you know throughout. She was very clear that this is this is what had the happened. There was actually news coverage. At the time of the verdict indicating that one of the jurors a female was sobbing during the reading of the jury verdict and so she disclosed that that was her and she was the one who is so wrought at the time that the verdict was read because she was upset even at the time time so it was very powerful and moving to have her participate in this way <hes> i know it it was actually very intense for for durrell to sit there during her testimony and to you know to sort of fix this person who had been part of the verdicts that sent him the prison for thirty two years but who was there kind of sharing her truth about what had happened and how awful she felt about it ever since the fact that the judge allowed for a hearing being on that issue was definitely out of the norm in massachusetts where they typically don't allow attorneys to contact jurors or to revisit the deliberations <music>. I'd never been a part of post trial hearing where jurors will being called back and questioned about their deliberation process. It's normally forbidden and the jury deliberation process is viewed as sacrosanct and you just you don't you don't penetrate it. You don't question about we don't question it certainly not in court unless it comes out that there's evidence of of <hes> one of a very few kinds of misconduct racial bias being one of them as i said earlier the judge granted a series of of hearings relating to lisa and her teams motion for a new trial and in one of those hearings the issue of police tampering with evidence was argued. Remember remember that videotape of terry lynn stocks interview and remember. How a derails trial. Detective smith said that he had accidentally pushed record well l. now in this hearing. Detective smith was saying that he actually didn't know what had happened that he had only been giving his best guess when he testified about the error at durrell trial after the hearings were over in two thousand seventeen the judge had made his decision drills conviction would be vacated. Hey kid and he would be granted. A new trial according to the judge's ruling he cited with the defense and two of the six issues that detective detective smith provided false testimony about that videotape and that certain members of the jury were racially biased upon hearing the news lisa lisa and the two other attorneys on the team went to the prison. Were durrell was being held and met with him. They had been there many times before for many different meetings but this one was different. The whole thing was really surreal because the three of us have been there many times before to talk about the motion and to talk through strategy energy and we've had lots of long meeting some of them full of arguments and you know we'd had all of these intense prior meetings withdrawal and we were in the same name exact space the way that burnout ski visiting room is set up. It's a big large open room for for when they have <hes> visitors and then they have a series of small attorney rooms along one side of the room so we were in one of those attorney rooms waiting for him to come out and when he came in. I don't know what he thought i. I don't think he was expecting to hear one way or the other about the motion but we just sort of you know there was no it was just like the judge allowed the motion and he he kind kind of almost collapsed against the wall. He was so overcome and you know he's not someone who's who's frequently speechless. He's very we take it and you know forceful speaker but he was momentarily speechless because it was just such a powerful moment for him. Ooh.

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"detective smith" Discussed on Short and Curly

Short and Curly

05:04 min | 3 years ago

"detective smith" Discussed on Short and Curly

"It as soon as you put it in that tank and soon as you feed it the first feted sir if something went wrong with it it depends how much feel responsible like if you're feel like you did everything role with that fish and it makes you feel really bad then i suppose you could spend a bit of money to try to help that fish but if you reckon that it wasn't your fault then that's like a whole nother story i think it really depends on how much you care and love for that fish show how important is to you because if you've had it for like a day or so and it's getting really really sick then you're not gonna feel as much for it if as if you've had it since like for a year or two years so it really depends on how long and how connected and how much she loves that fish i feel like we're getting closer and closer to the truth detective daniels look on the wall behind you i've set up a super clever crime solving board impressive it's like a giant coke booed with photos maps time lines the names of suspects with question marks next to their names ooh just like in the movies nice work detective smith and you can see of us lots of colorful string to try and join all these clues together kind of like a detective version of join the dots the thing is you've got string going all over the place what have you discovered from this well as you can see mets to goldfish are at the center on the left you can see a few mermaids and on this right side one of the earliest photographs of nessie aka the loch ness monster from scotland all the string leads to this photo of the blob fish voted by many as the world's ugliest animal oh but it's kinda cute and unusual looking hate that would glee it's harsh perhaps but look closely detective daniels there are strings that travel for mets goldfish bucket and spade and wind their way to the picture of the blood fish amazing work now what does all this main detective daniels what what no i'm serious i'm asking you i have no idea how the blood fish would fit into all this so you just made a college hold on hold on hold on i gotta take this think it's my secret source works at the pit fish aquarium hello great thanks for calling me copy serious taking smith say calm breathe that's that's impossible it took i can protect you she hung up she's gone detective daniels she suspected someone at the aquarium was listening in on her phone call same bit spooked there buddy when's the last time you got any sleep i can tell she was scared this is big this is really big but is it really i'm starting to think that you just need a hot dinner and a good night's sleep sometimes fish just die maybe meant just had some really bad luck and maybe that aquarium woman was just missing with you know don't you see this goes right to the top call slow down government as yo satellites watching our every move don't you get it you've been watching too many crime shows it's possible that matt did the best he could but his fish just died well look i do have a confession to me see he's correct bucket and spade weren't totally did when i found them each of them was being really on well i would just lying in the bottom of the tank they couldn't swim and they looked like they were in a lot of pain so i researched the most pain free way to kill a goldfish to euthanize it which is to put them in a bit of water and put a few drops of clove oil in a basically puts them to sleep and then they die but i did it because i didn't want them to suffer anymore i thought the kindest most responsible thing to do was to end their pain i think that's what bucket and spade would've wanted i think this case might be too complex for the justice system in fact the only people who can solve it the kids listening to this shore what do you think did matt do the right thing or does he deserve to go to gold fish murderer jail for very long time caused now.

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"detective smith" Discussed on Short and Curly

Short and Curly

02:57 min | 3 years ago

"detective smith" Discussed on Short and Curly

"Poisoned got a family and tears inside no idea how to track down who is responsible for this mess looks like another long day call you bet mo okay let's take a look and officer could you take some witness statements talk to the navy just like some polic type stuff these bullies e type stuff the forensic team should be in soon to investigate let's go get a closer look at the same before they come in and wreck the place guys what are you doing why is there a fake police car outside my house and fake policemen and why he dressed up as tv show detectives matt because you asked us to help out you wanted help with solving the case right you've got to stop doing this almost said was two of my fish died and i wanted to investigate what happened for the show well all we heard was investigate two deaths we're gonna break up in this case and get to the bottom of this modem all the goldfish and we know how they died do we really yes really the real question that needs solving he is how far should we go to save pet fish we can get a counselor to help you deal with all this if you need look matt we know you hurting but we need your help here the first few hours of an investigation are the most crucial isn't shea smart thank you call seeing molly and carl on going to do it then i probably should today on shorten curly where looking at how far we should go to save a pet fish and wet and we're going to uncover the perpetrators of this terrible crime and whether it's okay to treat animals like my pet goldfish differently from other pit and also has a mystery conspiracy just waiting to be solved new today you're listening to short unkind curly charging girly an important part of any investigation is getting a clear head ain't that right detective daniels you'll rachi wa detective smith and a good way to do that is to step back and look at the big picture yeah and this is the point now show where we actually osc you to stop listening firm minute so you can have a moment to think about the first question we have today now i don't know whether you've got your armpit fish oil maybe been asking to get one i the way we'd like to know what do you think about having a fish as a pit would've fish via good pet to have yes on our and why it caused now.

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"detective smith" Discussed on KWAM 990 Talk Radio

KWAM 990 Talk Radio

01:51 min | 3 years ago

"detective smith" Discussed on KWAM 990 Talk Radio

"Lot more than i've ever seen her lose and she's always struggled with the body image issue and eventually hollywood takes its toll as much as she's like i don't care ali whenever i want to g she's not it's clear that she's putting a lot of work into this in this happens on both men and women i've heard stories were meg ryan gosling talk about how you know struggle it is the you know be stay fit and same and chris pratt i mean so it's not like guys are just all allowed to be fattened delhi you know for these roles they they still require you to be thin i mean joel eggers and then red sparrows very fit but i guarantee you in the next couple of years you're going to get a story that comes out the jennifer lawrence is going to be like oh yeah i had to go through all this crash dieting and it was unhealthy to get that body that i hadn't road red sparrow saved thing you saw after any movie where somebody like loses a lot of weight or really trims down for role somebody like i remember when jessica simpson did that daisy duke the whole thing is is supposed to be empowering but it's also i think making her do stuff that she doesn't necessarily need to do so it's it's is weird mix of misplaced feminism for the movie with who is not that good to begin with some is going to have to say that red sparrow kinda sucks it can the sat slated in her i know like daytona there you're listening to fat guys at the movies with kevin car the next movie i want to talk about is midnight offers after killing a pedestrian on the way home from a new year's eve party a married couple discovers is true intentions when they try to cover things up sousse our dress he was on his high here is there anything you've done that will make some will come after you i am detectives smith does your sister live with you she's of my husband sharp protect us in your strong enough there is.