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"CBS News special report now at 80 the death toll from hurricane keeps rising in Florida, as does the need for help, both short term and long. We have done over 800 rescues. We have 42 casualties related to this storm. That is sheriff carmine marceno, a very hard hit Lee county. Photographer chuck Larson lives on devastated sanibel island. The destruction was water and wind inside. There are 30 units in our complex 22 suffered the same fate. A bigger picture from the Florida governor Ron DeSantis. Such a big storm brought so much water that you're having basically what's been a 500 year flood event here in DeSoto county and in some of the neighboring counties. And as the cleanup proceeds affected residents are now being urged to clean up tree limbs and debris first. Jacksonville resident Michael Brunswick. Just make sure that you keep it in a pile and keep it kind of tight because if another gust of wind or something goes, I've seen it where it goes flying again. CBS News special report, I'm Tom footy. Ten 33. The U.S. Supreme Court opens its 9 month term tomorrow. It's a term packed with major environmental and race related cases. The court has a 6 to three conservative majority, and some of the cases that will be argued present that majority with opportunities to show its strength, important cases will come up early in the term. For the first time in its history, the court will have a black woman justice, President Biden's appointee Ketanji Brown Jackson. She was confirmed by the Senate in April to succeed justice Stephen Breyer. That CBS News reporter Christopher Cruise Russian president Vladimir Putin made some veiled nuclear threats during a recent speech, in which he declared Russia would use all available means to defend its territories. He claimed the territories include what the west considers illegally annexed provinces in eastern Ukraine. Global affairs expert and former Pentagon official Mario mancuso tells WTO, this is a scare tactic. I actually view them primarily as directed towards his domestic audience. Remember, I mean, we see images of young men fleeing from Russia to try to evade the mobilization that's clearly an element of public opinion in Russia. On the other hand, if you're Putin, you're ruling elite is largely nationalist. And when I see the threats and when I hear the threats, I think those threats are largely directed of Putin trying to grasp and hold on to power inside of his elite. You can only be a strong man if you're actually strong. What recent events have shown in Ukraine is that Putin is not as strong as people thought he was. And he knows that they know that now. So I think the threats among his other statements to my mind have to be viewed in that context as well. And that is global affairs expert and former Pentagon official Mario mancuso. And with both sides accusing the other of sabotage, the largest pipeline transporting natural gas between Russia and Europe has stopped leaking in a tweet the Danish energy agency said this indicates the blowout of gas from the last two leaks has been completed. More on the global repercussions of the pipeline leaks from WTO's Liz Anderson. Meredith Wilson with emergent risk international says, even though Nord stream one was a major source of revenue for Russia right now. The revenue itself is actually not as big of a consideration for Russia as the political gains. Wilson says that's due to Russia making more from energy last year because of increased gas prices and energy sales to countries like China and India. Meanwhile, Wilson also says if Russia did sabotage the lines. The concern that it could lead to attacks on other oil and gas supplies, communication cables, all of these undersea, critical infrastructure. This sends a message that Russia is still capable of creating major problems for Europe despite their overall sort of weakened position in Ukraine. There was tragedy in the stands of a soccer stadium in Indonesia, police fired tear gas into a crowd of angry fans after an Indonesian Premier League game in east Java province. Sparking a deadly stampede, the BBC's Jonathan head has more. Hospitals are reporting people being asphyxiated and people who are at the stadium describe terrible crowd crushes at the narrow
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". Working with fema working with The White House and making sure that assets are pre positioned in an order. So then when the storm fully passes, we're going to be able to get aid in assets of the people of southwest Florida. In the storm is moving at a snail's pace, isn't it? It's very slow. Yeah. And so when this storm passed Cuba, it just slowed down. And it's really took its time and that was our concern. Because we had actually record rainfall in September already. And so the concern was if this storm takes its sweet time, it's just going to dump a lot of water and move a lot of water into our area and there was really nowhere for it to go. And that appears to exactly be what has happened. And even now, the last report I just saw about ten minutes ago, wind gusts were still a 115 miles an hour. And the storm has already made landfall. So it's moving basically through Charlotte county DeSoto county and it's still packing hundred mile an hour wind gusts. I mean, this storm is, I think they have to have it now as the fourth of the 5th strongest storm to make landfall in the United States. And it's so big, it's not only powerful, which is bad. It is so wide, right? Right, it's basically going to take over the complete central part of Florida. I think my area we're coming out of some of the heavy rain bands and wind bands. We're just coming out of that now. But this thing is pretty much the front of it's already out of Orlando. It's supposed to slow down even more and drop a ton of rain over basically the central part of the state is far north as Jackson. Talking about potentially 20 to 24 inches of rain. I've never heard of such a thing. That's unbelievable. Yes, sir. Absolutely. That's what we're anticipating. And the biggest thing we want to make sure is that the water infrastructure in Florida
CounterClock
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"Recall, I don't think there are any testing was necessary. Okay, and if I were to tell you that the recall that you claim an indicating your report was on John's gun is in fact a recall for a completely different model year gun, what would you say to that? I'd say I don't agree. You don't agree that you might be wrong or you don't agree that a recall for John's gun never existed. No, recalls for John's gun did exist. Would you be willing to submit that perhaps the recall that you found was for a different gun? I don't agree. Okay, so your double down on that. Who is a 22 that went through the corner of his eye? Well, it actually wasn't a 22, it was a 17 caliber ammunition shot out of a 22. Yeah. It pretty much came up. Just a little more kick to it. Well, I mean, you can say pretty much the same, but I mean, there was 17 caliber ammunition loaded in another firearm of the same caliber on that property. Were you aware of a second 22 revolver on that property? No? Her first I'm hearing about that. In your investigation in 2016 and 2017, did you ever investigate the presence of a possible identical revolver that was on the property that day? No. That could have been something that was never told, it was never put in the notes. In the case file from back in 2003, both for DeSoto county as well as FDLE, it stated that a second 22 6 shot revolver from Ruger was on the property the day that John died and would have been loaded with 17 caliber ammunition, the same as John's gun was loaded. So it is in the reports in the case file that you would have reviewed. Do you think it's possible you just missed that? Probably just don't remember it to be honest with you. So I think it's safe to say, James never explored investigating Mel's seniors identical revolver, which is really a shame. I moved on from that, though, because there was another pressing matter to address. You stated that in 2016, you re interviewed Patrick skinner. When I spoke with Patrick skinner, he did not recollect ever being interviewed by you. He was. Okay, so you interviewed him in 2016. What do you remember about your interview with him where was it? Was it over the phone? No, it's a person at my office. So what did you and Patrick talk about
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"Either during your show during your podcast or that certainly were questions that I think came to us as we listen to the information that you relate to your listeners. So I think it's fair to say that we had a very good conversation with the sheriff. I think sheriff Potter was very open minded about the things that we talked to him about and some of the avenues that we thought could be pursued. Obviously, I don't feel comfortable and I don't think I can talk about which avenues we're talking about, certainly we wouldn't want to do anything that we're jeopardized if any further investigative efforts if that was going to happen. There are ultimately it's going to be his decision if he's willing to reopen and kind of take a second look at now this would be a third look, I think into this case that the conclusion of our meeting the sheriff said that he would take our thoughts and our consideration the things that we talked about into consideration and under consideration and that he would be making a decision. So I guess we'll see what your Potter's used to do. The Delia, this is incredible. I mean, I got your reaction, right? Like you're like, I can't even work. This is so amazing. But this is truly because of the show. He listened to the show, listen to the work of a county that's like already in his jurisdiction a case you would hope he already knew but he didn't. And the fact that he sometimes, I feel like we're in a bubble a little bit, right? Because I almost feel like sometimes I'm like, is it us? Are we losing our minds? Because to me, it seems so obvious and it's such a nice like justification to hear like, no, someone else in a position of power can hear all of these things too, and they too can be like WTF. Like something is not right here. Yeah, and so there's something that happened with Ed, which is actually really similar to what happened with counterclock season one with Denise Johnson, which was when I talked to Andy womble, who was the DA in that case, is it was getting them aware of the case, getting them up to speed because, you know, they weren't there when this happened. So one, you have to get it on their radar, but then once it's on their radar, then they can hear for themselves like what needs to be done, and they're the ones that hold the power, so yeah, so it's just incredible that he was able to listen. He's trying to be proactive and he's making all these moves with the right people. They share his office being one of them. So this is where I want to emphasize to the listeners, like I did in the finale episode, for those of you who want to be active in this true crime community in this counterclock case that I've been talking about. If you care about what comes next for John wells, and if you're a believer in justice, you need to contact the DeSoto county sheriff's office. You need to make it known that it's not going away and that we won't accept anything less than a reinvestigation into John's death. You need to make it known that the state attorney's office needs to get involved in clearly he's willing because Ed broski is gonna do something if he can. He just needs these other agencies that are responsible for investigating the crime to do their jobs. And that is actually a question that I had so, again, you have the DA the state's attorney, whatever, saying like, okay, from what I know about this case, we should be prosecuting this, but he literally can't? Unless the sheriff's office complies, is that what I'm understanding? Yeah, so it's kind of interesting when I initially made my contact with the state attorney's office, they were like, hey, we have no file on the John wells case. They thought I was calling to ask about their open case file. And they're like, we've never opened technically a case on this because when law enforcement brought it to us way back in the day when there was again a different state's attorney, it never went anywhere. So there's never been a case open with the state attorney's office. So really, they need that peace from a law enforcement agency, ideally the initial investigating agency to then come to the state attorney's office, which isn't an investigating agency, but does have an investigative arm somewhat to all of them get on the same page and then begin to pursue hopefully a prosecution. So yeah, he's kind of stuck in this. Like he can't just go out there charging people with no case, but I think DeSoto county coming to them with the right stuff, or at least inviting another agency and to get the right stuff is going to be where Ed can actually do something with the case. So that's kind of how it works. The contact information for the two agencies I'm talking about, the DeSoto county sheriff's office and the 12th judicial district in Florida. That's all in the show notes and on the website, and with that awesome update said, Ashley, I feel like we needed to present that first. I know I almost thought you were going to make people wait till the end to hear that. And I was like, you got to just give it a job. Oh, I know, I did. It's time to roll right into some of these listener questions. Because a lot of them actually have to do with the evidence in John's case, and specifically what the sheriff's office did or didn't do with some of that stuff and why. And maybe what they could do now if we can get this ball rolling again. So Ashley, something I was unable to really get my hands on for a long time during this investigation were photos of John's actual 22 revolver, the gun authorities presumed to be the murder weapon used to shoot Joe. This was something that I wanted to give that firearm directly to Aaron brunel, our expert, but I just was never able to kind of get any sort of visualization of those. And Helen Hough, John's mom says that the gun itself was never returned to the family, which I actually have a question about because again, coming back to the idea that this was ruled an accident, would they keep evidence in an accident or should that have been returned to the family? It's so murky. So when they decided to change the manner of death in call it a undetermined, that should have triggered the release because the case in DeSoto county's office files says case closed, you know, end of story. So I would imagine that stuff should have gone back to next of kin, which legally was Helen Hoff and Mack wells, but that didn't happen. So I'm assuming that, you know, the undetermined label because it leaves the window open for so much, maybe they didn't. Maybe they just kept it all I know from speaking to the family members is that it's never been seen or given to them again. So I also, I mean, we've been doing this long enough that I would not be shocked at all. Should the case get reopened if all of a sudden the evidence wasn't there? Yeah, I mean, and that's such a big question is because there's no documentation of an a reevaluation of that evidence in 2016 or 2017, which is something you think would have happened when James curdy looked at the case, but there's no, there's no inventory of that in any of his findings. So that's something that's, again, it's concerning, but again, we can only see what happens if we get it to a point of reevaluation. Right. So we don't have the gun. She's never gotten the gun back. And again, you didn't have pictures. Right, and I also didn't have images of John's holster, the belts, any of the other stuff that Patrick skip and pat stated they picked up at the original crime scene and then took home, you know, all that stuff was something. Yes. But I now have pictures of all that stuff, and it's kind of a wild story of how I got a hold of them, and I kind of put it in this category of counterclock esque. Like just the way I came to get them, it's just very, very up counter clocks alley. So Helen was recently going through a bunch of old boxes in her house because she's in the process of potentially having to move, and she found a bunch of like CD rom discs that the sheriff's office gave her after they closed John's case or some time in between 2003 and 2016, like, I don't even know when she got some stuff since it was tucked away, who only knows, but she could not get her computer to open the files on the disk, so she gave them to me, and I was able to view what was on them. And in a folder with a bunch of other copies of police reports and stuff that I already had as my own public records request,.
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"Hey counterclock listeners, so I know a lot of you are die hard counterclock fans. You love investigative journalism in the work that I'm doing on these cases, but some of you have also discovered my other podcasts that I do for audio chuck called park predators. Park predators is a different kind of show. It's a research based podcast where every episode is focusing on a different story or tale of a suspicious death or a missing person's case or even a homicide that happened within the boundaries of national parks, forest lands, or even sometimes state parks. If you haven't listened yet, you should check it out. And if you do listen, I thank you. New episodes of park predators drop weekly all summer long on Tuesdays. You can listen now to season three wherever you get your podcasts. High counter clock listeners, welcome to the bonus Q&A episode of season four. There is so much to cover in this episode. We have new evidence photos, a few new theories, some follow up interviews, and a huge update that could change so much in this case. It's all going down in this episode. The team at audio check went through hundreds of emails in the weeks since season four released and just like me, many of you still have so many questions about this case and to help us trudge through the aftermath is a voice many of you already know executive producer Ashley flowers. Hi, everybody. Welcome, Ashley. Ashley, I think a good way to kick off this episode is to go back for a minute and tell the listeners about the first conversation you and I had about this case, which was over a year ago when I think I first said, hey, Ashley, I have another counterclock season brewing. Do you remember the beginnings of that conversation? Oh, I remember the conversation because you were either fresh off of season three or I'm not even sure if season three had even released yet, honestly. But I remember it because you were telling me before that you're like, I am going to take a break. I just mentally season three, the pelle case was just so big, weighed so heavily on you that you're like, I just need a mental break. I need like a reset, but that lasted like a day before, again, I got this call that is stop everything, something is happening to teenage boys in Arcadia, Florida. And I literally remember you're like, again, these cases just like come to you because you were hanging out with friends. And they were like, oh, have you heard this? So yeah, when you called me, you brought up how you had been digging into John wells story, and Joseph kenville the third's murder in 1999. For those of you who don't know, crime junkie actually did a full length episode on Joseph's unsolved murder on the crime junkie fee just a few weeks ago. I highly recommend you go listen. I'm truly that case could have been a counter clock season all on its own, but we decided to tell it in the crime junkie episode format I didn't want people to wait, you had talked to his mom, people needed to hear that story as well. Yeah, for sure. And even though I quickly found out that John and Joseph's cases aren't connected, we still knew we had to get both of their stories out there because it was too wild to me that we had two cases of two teenage boys whose deaths were investigated by DeSoto county sheriff's office and both of them still have like a ton of murky questions surrounding them. Questions that I think could be answered if people in Arcadia just came forward with information or an outside agency, maybe took a second look. For sure, I mean that town I swear has some secrets and I really think people there know a lot more than they're saying about both cases. Yeah, you and I we go back. We talk about how we grew up in close knit, small communities. I mean, I grew up on an island. So I think we know a thing or two about small towns and the secrets they hide. And Arcadia really, as you listen to both of those stories you understand that it's no exception to something like that. While going through the listener submitted emails that came in, I read messages from a lot of people who either live in now or grew up in Arcadia and then moved away and they all lived there like in the early 2000s and they say how the John wells case was handled was not surprising and the fact that to this day de Soto county sheriff's office investigators are still unwilling to comment for this podcast or really anyone about John's case is just not surprising to the people who are from there. Yeah, and like, I mean, a community not wanting to talk, maybe I can see, but the sheriff's office, not even getting back to you ever. I mean, before the reporting came out during the time of the poor, he came out, or even after, it blows my mind. Mostly because if they have closed the book on John's case, again, saying it's an accent. It is not a murder anymore. Why aren't they even willing to discuss it? If they have solved it in their minds, what is this wall of silence? Yeah, and I've always thought that same thing, like throughout all the time I've been working on the case and really even now. And look, in the end, DCO, they don't have to talk to me. But the sheriff sheriff James Potter and Kim Lewis, who still works there, by the way, they absolutely have to address the public's growing interest in this case. I mean, the sheriff's position is an elected position, so they owe it to the public. What happened to John wells is bigger than sheriff Potter, it's bigger than Kim and it's bigger than DCO. And thanks to this show and all the hard work that we've done, DCS O is having to answer to another extremely interested state agency. The Florida state attorney's office over DeSoto county. Which is basically just to clarify this, state attorney is basically just another way to say the district attorney, right? Right, yeah. So in Florida, they call them state's attorneys or state attorney, and each state attorney has deputy prosecutors, which are pretty much synonymous with the more commonly heard term assistant district attorney or ADA. So Delia, when you sent me this text message after the series had come out, I about died. And this is where, again, if you guys don't follow us on social at counterclock, Delia took screenshots and a little teaser of what was coming because it was a jaw dropping moment, I think. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the state attorney is someone who oversees de Soto county. And his name is Ed brodsky. He's really nice. I've talked to him a bunch. And he's been the elected state attorney over the three counties, Sarasota, manatee, and DeSoto county since 2013, and he's been a prosecutor for like 30 years. So this guy knows his stuff. Seasoned seasoned as well. For sure. After the podcast came out, I made sure to contact him and his office and literally the next day he got back to me with like pretty amazing news. I listened to your entire podcast as did my supervising attorney in Arcadia and my chief assistant at overseas, those two counties manatee and de Soto counties. So we've all listened to it. You were very thorough in your review of all of the evidence. So we were very impressed with the work that you did in your podcast. I reached out to sheriff Potter, you know, the Soto county sheriff and made him aware of your inquiry and your desire to see that the case be reopened. One week after that, Ed traveled from Sarasota to Arcadia to meet with sheriff Potter in person. Criminal investigations that result in either an arrest or a referral to us by the DeSoto county sheriff's office is reviewed by my office for prosecution. And so because this case, John Wallace case fell within county, it certainly falls within our jurisdiction and our ability to investigate and to prosecute any criminal offenses stemming from that incident. I'm met with sheriff Potter this past week. I think we probably spent an hour with him talking about the case and going over the details of the case and certainly a lot of the questions and the issues that appear to be raised.
CounterClock
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"2016 to 17 election? Helen raised an interesting point. The change to John's manner of death and ultimate end to law enforcement's investigation did happen right as James Potter was running for his first term in office. Election records show that James Potter won his seat in November 2016, and within just a few months, John's case was considered a cleared homicide in his department's eyes. When Potter ran for office again in 2020, he won a second term. But to me, the suggestion that somehow John's case was changed just as a means for Potter to earn favor with constituents, seems hard to buy. I mean, it's not like pot or touted the closure of John's case as a win for his campaign or anything. He didn't make a promise to voters that he'd be the sheriff who would get to the bottom of the mystery. In fact, despite having an extremely active Facebook page and presence in Arcadia, DeSoto county sheriff's office has never released a statement or capitalized on a public relations announcement, promoting the fact that they no longer consider John's case to be a murder. They haven't made a big deal about it at all. And if you go and take a look at how much this agency posts on social media, you'll get what I mean when I say them not taking credit for what James curtie accomplished in 2017 is kind of mystifying. If I wasn't doing this podcast, I honestly doubt anyone in Southwest Florida would even know the department considers John's death as undetermined and isn't investigating it anymore. Everyone that I've spoken with in Arcadia, even people totally unrelated to the case, still think John was murdered. Which if you think about that for a second, if you're a member of law enforcement, that's kind of messed up to just leave hanging out there for people to think. But regardless of what de Soto county authorities have determined behind closed doors, the fact remains that none of John's close friends or family think for a second that his death was a result of an accident. Mack wells in particular thinks the reason for so much secrecy around his son's case since 2016 is because things were not done on the up and up..
CounterClock
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"Interview that John's cleanliness with his gun was excessive. I really really bad got it for him. Surgery that name didn't I once took a dirt on it. He was going clean it for like hours. He loved it. He never put it down on the dirt or anything like that. So if John was always cleaning and polishing his revolver, maybe that's why it was clean as a whistle when Patrick picked it up by the four Wheeler. Maybe on July 8th, it had been sitting in John's room the entire day. But at some point was planted at the crime scene before Patrick showed up and touched it. That could explain why only Patrick's fingerprint was on it, and why it was fully loaded with 6 unfired bullets. The only thing that doesn't add up to me with that scenario is the fact that FDLE found traces of John's blood on his revolver. Like a tiny, tiny amount right on the end of the barrel. So, if John's revolver was a plant and was never present during his actual death, like I just suggested. Then his blood being on it, even in the tiniest amount, doesn't support it was planted evidence. Its contradictory and actually points more to John's gun, being the one that fired the bullet that killed him. This kind of process thinking and working through what the evidence supports and what it does it is something authorities should have done and should still be doing in this case. But now with John's manner of death being labeled undetermined, they don't have to. What I can't figure out is why no one in DeSoto county law enforcement or at FDLE or the 12th district medical examiner's office wants to figure out what really happened to John. Why don't they even want to look at the facts again? How many other cases like this are out there that are now stuck in the same frustrating limbo? Well, I think I found the answers to some of those questions. And they're buried in hundreds of pages of data from the medical examiner's office that only the counterclock.
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"Of the hundreds of statements uttered in this case, there are two that have caused me to rack my brain every time I think about them. And both came from 16 year old Patrick skinner during the first 48 hours of the investigation. On July 9th, less than a day after John was found. Patrick told detectives that when he picked up John's revolver at the crime scene, he unloaded it and saw that there were 6 unfired rounds inside of the cylinder. This gave him a little bit of comfort because he knew that the absence of an empty casing meant it hadn't been shot. Here's Patrick reiterating that in our recent interview. I pick it up and as a little 22 revolver. I remember pulling up in the wholesaler falling out of it and putting it back together. Did bullets come out? They did. And that's part of my memory that I I didn't think at the time it had been fired based on what fell out in my hand. I still don't know that I ever heard from the detectives whether or not that was, it was fired because I could just had not been fired. So it was a 6 shot, so 6 unfired bullets should have fallen out if it wasn't fired. 5 full bullets. One casing. Should have fallen out if it was fired. Right. And I don't remember seeing an empty casing. It was only after Patrick found out that John had been shot that he realized 6 live rounds being in John's gun didn't make sense. But still, he was sure of what he saw. When pat straighter was interviewed immediately following investigators chat with Patrick, she also remarked that when her and Patrick found John's gun at the scene, they determined based on the rounds inside of it that it had not been fired. Which was one of her reasons for taking it from the scene because she thought the fact that it was still fully loaded meant it likely wasn't involved in John's death. Here's pat during her July 9th, 2003 interview with detective Kim Lewis. I asked him to check to see if there's any if he could tell if there was a what would you say if there's an if there's any empty casings in the gun as if it had been fired? Yes. Yes. Because that was my concern. Yes. And what happened? He had to work with it to get it where he could. And he told me none had been fired. The second statement Patrick made that has always puzzled me, came out during his second interview with investigators. He told detectives that there may have been more than one gun like John's around. It was a short remark but a statement that clearly suggested Patrick knew there was another 22 revolver at the southeast hansel property that looked a lot like John's. For some reason, though, investigators never asked Patrick to elaborate on what he meant by the remark. But I've looked into what he might have been referring to and what I found is pretty jaw dropping. Thanks to a crop of public records that the Florida department of law enforcement took 7 months to turn around for me. I can say with certainty that there were two identical Ruger 6 shot single action revolvers present on the straighter property on the day John died. One was John's and one belonged to his step grandfather, Mel senior, who died of a heart attack in June 2003. For a long time in my investigation, I was forced to read between the lines of documents from DeSoto county sheriff's office that were heavily redacted. I'd seen several references made about a 22 revolver, but because there were so many chunks of text missing, it was hard to know who was talking about this gun. If they were saying it was John's or another firearm or what? So many black lines on the pages made the information muddy and difficult to decipher. But then, FDLE fulfilled my request for special agent Jonathan smith's reports from 2003, and bingo. Everything I needed to see was spelled out clear as crystal in those documents because they were unredacted. What I learned is that there were more than a dozen guns in storage inside the straighter home on July 8th. One of which was a Ruger 22 6 shot revolver that had belonged to Mel senior. There were also roughly ten to 12 rifles and two or three shotguns in the house. According to a statement from skip, all of those guns were kept in a safe in a hallway closet that John did not have access to. Matt, John's older brother had a key to at least 6 locks that secured that safe and skip indicated he had a way in as well. During his two interviews with law enforcement on July 18th and September 5th of 2003, Matt explained more about this safe and went into detail about Mel senior's revolver. A report that details Matt's statements says, quote, the 22 Ruger that John owned was identical to their grandfather Melvin Eugene straighter seniors revolver, which was usually kept on top of the refrigerator as a vermin gun before Melvin strader's senior's death. Matt went on to explain to police that Mel's seniors Ruger was an older model than Johns, and sometime in the four weeks between when Mel senior died, but before John was killed, Matt had taken it upon himself to remove their grandfather's revolver from the top of the refrigerator and put it in the hallway safe. While transferring the gun, Matt said he checked the cylinder and found 6 unfired 17 caliber red tipped Hornaday bullets in it. He told investigators he'd never seen those brand of bullets before, and as a precaution took them out of the gun and put them in a drawer in a safe. But just let me stop right there for a second because when I compared the two statements, Matt gave to police. I found a pretty big contradiction. When Matt first spoke with FDLE and DeSoto county sheriff's office in July of O three, he stated that he knew his grandfather kept a box of 17 caliber red tipped Hornaday ammunition. He specifically told investigators that those bullets had traditionally been stored in a glove box of the diesel truck that Mel drove when he was alive. But in Matt's second statement, taken two months later, Matt stated he'd never seen those kinds of bullets before. So why did he go from admitting he knew about them and where they were stored to denying their existence altogether? The origin of where the 17 caliber undersized ammunition came from is something I wanted to pin down because Matt going back and forth about that specific detail seems odd. I don't know for sure when those bullets came into the picture for all I know, Mel senior could have bought them months before he died, but what I do know is that Matt saying he never knew about them during his second interview with police, is just not true. Mack wells knew his sons knew about those bullets..
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"It around like he knew what to do with it. When Beth spoke to DeSoto county investigators on record in July 2003, she told them in crystal clear detail, how John carried his gun on the four Wheeler. And what she said, contradicts.
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"That it is such a large state. I would say probably the larger the state, the more amount of companies. In the end, because I'm not a relative and I'm not a beneficiary. I can't take my search any further. Law enforcement could, though. However, I can't find any documentation that detectives working John's case ever conducted a search for life insurance money. Nowhere in their reports does it state they contacted NAIC or subpoenaed an insurance agency for records. My best guess is that John just didn't have life insurance taken out on him, or if he did, no one knew about it. I know from talking with his mother, Helen, she doesn't think pat had a policy for John, and Helen and max certainly didn't. And even if someone did have a policy for John, it's not like they would have been able to cash in on it immediately following his death. He was murdered, and it was unsolved, so it's doubtful any insurance agency would have paid out a policy for homicide victim. After my life insurance quest bust, I went back to square one and poured over documents on this case, looking for anything that stuck out as potential motive for someone to watch John gone. And that's when I realized there was something significant. Several of John's friends who police interviewed at random in 2003 and 2004 had subtly alluded to it. John and skip fought a lot and had problems and argued over the song. Trying to fill Mel senior shoes, and that caused friction between giants. Thought it was odd that Mel senior had not left a will for skip to inherit the north Fort Myers. Four days before he died and he told me he was looking forward to the future. He said that Mel senior left him the sawmill. Those were voice actors reading witness statements I found in police transcripts. The real identities of these witnesses are redacted, so I don't know who they are, but what they all say in one way or the other is that they were faintly aware of something tethering Mel seniors estate to John. To remind you, Mel senior is John's step grandfather by marriage. Pat's second husband and skips actual father. According to probate records, when Mel's senior died in June 2003, just mere weeks before John, no one could find a will for him. That document would have designated who Mel's seniors sawmill business was going to go to, and who would inherit his 45 acres in north Fort Myers on bay shore road. At the time, that land, the old farmhouse, and the cattle living on it was worth tens of thousands of dollars. Deed records show that Mel's senior and his first wife skip's mother purchased the land for next to nothing in 1973. The sawmill in Arcadia was also a fairly lucrative business. Today, the north Fort Myers land is a coveted piece of property in your state road 31. It's developing into a busy commercial and residential corridor. So needless to say, what belonged to Mel senior back in O three was worth fighting for. According to Carey, skips girlfriend, who you heard from last episode. Pat and skip got into a bitter dispute over Mel senior's estate in the fall of 2003, about four or 5 months after John died. Because no one could find Mel senior's will, the question of who got what became a heated debate. She didn't want skip to have anything, we had to hire an attorney, real estate attorney because we were fighting the will that never was and skip wanted his homestead. So that cost us a fortune. They didn't get along. She was kicking him out of the house. Because there was no will. She wanted it all. Now, naturally, one would think that skip would inherit at least some of his father's property, and some of it would also go to pat his second wife. But without a will, no one knew for sure. And it wasn't like Mel senior was around anymore to clear up the issue. What's interesting to me is that according to several people who knew John, including his mom, Helen, his ex-girlfriend, Beth flowers, and his aunt Laura wells. Mel senior had promised John that he would be a beneficiary of his estate. His mom actually mentioned this during an interview she had with DeSoto county sheriff's office back in July of 2003. Maybe John was in that will. I'm okay. That is a big question that somebody's find out. Was there a will? I'm telling you my gut telling me there's something to do with the probate of mail and is there is there not a will. That can answer a lot to stuff. During Helen's interview, the detectives blew past these statements. They focused more on questioning her about her alibi and learning the ins and outs of her bumpy relationship with pad. Helen's suspicion that her son might have stood a lot to gain in the wake of Mel senior's death, wasn't just her belief, though. John's aunt Laura also remembers hearing something similar. He and skip were having a little bit of a set too about who, after the grandfather died, who was going to take over the sawmill because the grandfather evidently had promised it to dawn. And then skip said that, you know, it was his. I interviewed one of John's friends from high school, a woman named Lacey backert, who said she also heard from people in the community that shortly before he was killed, John had told people he was expecting to inherit some, if not all of Mel senior's assets. When I was a little girl, my family used to go out there and we used to buy wood from his grandpa. There was a wood mill out there. So we used to go by wood and I guess it was still sitting there and I guess he was going to win his grandpa passed away. It was, I don't know if it's true or not, but I was hearing it that he was going to hand that down to him and he was going to start it back up. You distinctly remember hearing from people in the community that knew a lot of the family members in new John that there had been some expectation from John that he would inherit Mel senior sawmill. That's what I think of if I can remember correct. I know it's been a while but I'm thinking that's what someone had told me and I don't remember where I heard it. Our hearts somewhere. So working through the logic here, if it's true, Mel senior modified or drafted a new will, leading up to the summer of 2003, which named John as a significant beneficiary. That would mean after Mel senior died in June, John would have been set to inherit a lot once he turned 18. If skip and pat didn't want that to happen, that might point to a possible motive for them to want John gone sooner rather than later. However, my question is, did Mel senior ever draft a will at all? Did it ever exist to even go missing? Did someone intend for it to go missing, so John could be swindled out of his potential inheritance. Did someone take the document out of the equation and then take John out of the equation? The only place to turn to for answers is public record..
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"Plus. This is episode 11, switch. In November 2007, four and a half years after John wells was killed. The Florida department of law enforcement crime lab, packaged up all of the evidence related to the case and sent it back to DeSoto county sheriff's office for storage. The stuff in the box is in bags included John's Ruger revolver, DNA extracts from previous testing done in 2004. The unfired 17 caliber bullets, the wood spent shell casing, the holster, the belts, and all the other stuff that investigators had taken or swabbed from the crime scene or suspects. Around that same time, the wrongful death lawsuit Helen had filed against pat and skip was in full swing. With the exception that skip was no longer named in it because he died of a heart attack shortly after it was filed. So that left pat and Helen to duke it out in court. Over $15,000 in damages that Helen wanted. That legal fight would still be a few years from resolution, which meant DCS O detective Kurt maize still couldn't get access to pad, a suspect who had never fallen off his radar. Kurt was left with really only one option to continue submitting case evidence to forensic labs hoping new advances in technology would provide him with more clues. And because FDLE had sent everything back to DeSoto county, Kirk could easily get items of evidence to labs for further testing. But he didn't do that right away. Instead, he waited two more years. In December 2009, Kurt sent John's revolver to DNA labs international, a private forensics lab in Deerfield Beach, Florida, about a three hour drive from Arcadia. The lab was asked to perform touch DNA extraction from the grip of John's gun, and the cylinder. Areas that a person holding it would have had to press their skin close to if they fired it. Those little nooks and crannies could have held traces of DNA that prior tests had been unable to pick up. People say touch DNA and air quotes, a lot of times, like it's not real, but it is real. We've been testing it. We've been getting touch DNA results for the past 16 years. That's Allison noons, chief operating officer of DNA labs international. What I called to ask if she'd be willing to talk about her company's work on the John wells case. She agreed, with the exception that we talk in generalities, not case specific details. She also invited her director of research and quality assurance, Rachel a fly to join us. The lab has a policy of not disclosing information about specific cases they've worked on. Unless the investigation into those crimes has been resolved in the courts. From reading through the case file, I knew that by early 2010, DNA labs international had been unsuccessful in retrieving DNA from John's revolver, despite their best efforts. According to a report submitted to dcso on January 12th, 2010, lab techs with DNA labs international said they didn't find any DNA profile on the gun or the cylinder after running multiple tests. Allison and Rachel told me that back then, most touch DNA requests that came in were worked as thoroughly as they could be. However, due to technology limitations at the time, DNA extraction was harder to do on a piece of evidence like a firearm that had already gone through fingerprinting several prior rounds of DNA testing by another lab, and then sat in storage for years. Sometimes there's mistakes that are made that could contaminate the evidence so that you can not use it. Sometimes depending on someone might have, they might have lost a chain of custody. At some point, which is detrimental to the case, if you're ever going to go to court. So there's this various challenges when it goes from lab to lab, but there's so many things we can do now that it's common to see that. I'll get into those things that Allison just mentioned they can do now in a future episode. But for the time being, back in 2010, DNA labs international being unable to find any genetic profiles on the grip or cylinder of John's revolver, left Kurt Mays with yet another dead end. He'd taken his shot in the dark and got nothing in return. To add insult to injury, Kurt spent months spinning his wheels investigating a tip from a prison inmate in the Florida Panhandle named Richard estes. Richard claimed to have knowledge about John's murder. Richard's story was that he'd been at a party in a motel in Arcadia in 2007, and overheard a person talking about the murder. But he refused to provide authorities with the name of the alleged killer until he got a reduced sentence. Kurt eventually determined Richard's story wasn't credible. In early 2010, pat and Helen's wrongful death lawsuit came to a close, and the judge did not side with Helen. For the rest of 2010 and most of 2011, Kurt tried to talk to pat a few times, but got nowhere. Then he moved on and conducted a few more interviews with John's friends, and even drove to re interview Ralph strader. Pat's brother in law, who law enforcement news skip had called the day John died. According to transcripts from that interview, Ralph told Kurt that he couldn't recall any more, whether or not skip had specifically told him on July 8th that John had been shot. Ralph said, it might have been the day after, or even a few days after, when word got out that the ME had found a bullet in John's head. Ralph told Kurt that his fading memory just wasn't strong enough. And he ended the interview saying, regardless of what he remembered or didn't remember, he felt confident that Patton skip were not involved. After that interview, nothing really happened in the case. Until May of 2011, that's when DeSoto county sheriff's office sent John's right boot back to the FDLE lab to have touched DNA extraction done on the heel. If you remember, John's right boot heel had been the only thing not submerged in water when he was found. Law enforcement's theory was that John had been dragged to the water, possibly by his feet with his shoes still on. But unfortunately, no DNA was found on the boot heel. For the next 5 years, nothing happened with the case. It stayed dormant until 2016, when Kurt May's retired, and the investigation got reassigned to a new detective, James curdy, a newcomer to the de Soto county sheriff's office, who'd previously worked for other law enforcement agencies in Southwest Florida. Within a matter of months, James made up his mind as to what he believed really happened to John. According to what he wrote in his reports, James spent the first 6 months of 2016 reviewing the case evidence and re interviewing key witnesses. By the end of his evaluation, James determined that John was responsible for his own death. In a 6 page summary of his findings, James explained that he believed John was carelessly playing with his revolver cocked, while at the trash pile, and it fell out of his hands or out of his holster, which caused it to accidentally discharge several feet from his body. In his opinion, James felt certain that after John's gun went off, the teen didn't realize he'd been shot, and in a disoriented panic from the burning sensation flooding his eye socket, John stumbled off the ATV and crawled roughly 40 feet.
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"Somewhere back in time, a life was taken. From 2006 until 2009, the name John wells faded from people's memories, just like his picture faded from the yellow flyers, Helen, his mom spent hours nailing to telephone poles all around Arcadia. Based on everything I've read in police reports, law enforcement's investigation into what happened to the 17 year old, slowed to a standstill during these four years. It was complete radio silence. One thing I can confirm happened was that Kurt May's interviewed Kevin Callahan in jail. But that got the investigation nowhere. In the public space, local newspapers stopped running articles for the anniversary of John's death, and his high school friends graduated, grew up and moved away. During that time, former de Soto son newspaper reporter Steve Blanchard also left Arcadia and with his departure went the last journalist who ever showed interest in the case. When I tracked him down all these years later, he hadn't heard the name John wells in over a decade. What was your reaction when you saw my message and you saw, I was saying, John wells, 2003, what was your thoughts? It was surprising because I'm not even a journalist anymore. And when you're in a small town like that, you really see your audience as the people in that bubble, and nobody beyond. So when I left that bubble, I kind of left all that there. I had to reread your email a couple of times because I'm like, is she serious? Who is this? How did she find me? But it was also exciting because it's a part of my life. I had thought about it a long time. So going back to what I brought up and during our interview I showed Steve clippings of articles he wrote in 2003, and after going down memory lane, he made an interesting comment that I think lies at the core of this case and should be something everyone should think about. If it was a murder, which was determined to be that at the beginning, you know, that means somebody committed a crime and then get caught for it and therefore they're still out there and what kind of danger is that to anybody else. I mean, if I was still living there, that would be my concern. Is there an actual murderer on the loose? God, I hope not. But if there is, that's a lot to worry about. Steve went on to say that time passing by slowly isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sure, there are obvious downsides to a stalled investigation, but the same days and years that frustrate law enforcement are the same days and years that weigh heavily on whoever killed John. Things have changed so much in the past ten, 15, 20 years, that there's more resources available to get more information. Was John accidentally shot by a friend who fled and never told anybody and is freaked out and was that person protected because it was accidental. You know, there's so many questions you just don't know. But I think things like a podcast that deals with true crime, broadens the scope of people who may know something or may have heard something who can say, you know what? Now that I think about it that day, I remember whatever it might be, and that could be the key that opens things up. A question I've found myself asking a lot throughout various points in this investigation is did DeSoto county sheriff's office use time to their advantage? Did they do anything from 2006 to 2009 to shake answers from pat Schrader or dig up new clues? Did they try to find more corroborating information to support any of their circumstantial or even limited physical evidence? The answers to those questions are no, no and no. I know this because I've spoken with critical witnesses who were never contacted by law enforcement. Witnesses who were easy to find and who know very valuable information. Hello. Hi..
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"No. As I read through hundreds of pages of reports for this case, I found something that might explain one reason this second autopsy was requested. A short line in Meghan's sim racks investigative report states that in late July, the DeSoto county sheriff Johnny fugate had heard a rumor that John may have been a victim of sexual abuse. She noted that the sheriff's concerns about that rumor were what prompted this unusual request. Doctor Anderson had checked for signs of sexual trauma during John's first autopsy, which is standard procedure, but he didn't find anything that indicated that had ever taken place. So why law enforcement wanted to be extra sure on that? Made no sense to doctor Anderson. I ran this information by Patrick skinner during one of our recent interviews, and he firmly said, John never spoke of being sexually abused. Did you ever know John to express that he had been a victim of sexual abuse or molestation or anything in his family history? No. The definitive no, nothing was ever expressed to me and none of anything that he ever confided in me ever led me to believe anything like that. Regardless of what law enforcement's motivation was in asking for a second autopsy, doctor Spitz conducted one. What he concluded was the same as doctor Anderson. John had not been a victim to any kind of sexual trauma, and without a doubt, his manner of death was homicide. In Spitz's report, he stated, quote. It is my opinion that mister John wells was shot in the head by another person. It is also apparent that following the shooting, mister wells body was dumped in a creek located a short distance from where the shooting occurred. It appears that mister wells was still alive at the time his body was dumped in the water. The day after this second autopsy, the Emmy's office and law enforcement released John's body to John's parents, Helen and Mack. In the weeks between July 8th, and July 25th, Helen had fought hard to have a de Soto county court, grant custody of John's remains to her anthrax husband. As a way of keeping pat from having last rites, and Helen won. John's funeral took place on July 26th at the only funeral home in downtown Arcadia. During the service, Helen's friends and supporters stood on one side of the funeral hall, and pat skip and their friends stood on the other. Also in the mix was Patrick and his mom, Beth flowers, and lots of John's other teenage friends. And last but not least, law enforcement was there. Needless to say, the scene was tense. Helen was watching her mother's every move. The casket was closed at the end of the funeral, but they said when pat came out and she got to that coffin that she broke down and started screaming and oh my God, oh my God, it was such a terrible terrible accident. And I've said this a thousand times. She has kept saying that from the day things hit the fan. It was a horrible, horrible accident. Helen distinctly remembers a conversation the funeral director had with her regarding things he'd seen on John's body. Fred Grady was a long time funeral director, funeral guy. He had his own business, but he was older and it was ponder case and Grady or whatever at some point in time. He knew all of our family members he worked on half of them in the plots and all that stuff. So he said something about that boy put up a fight and he says, what? He says, yeah, he put up a fight, something about marks on his fingers. I can't interview Fred Grady for myself because he passed away many years ago, but I think what he was talking to Helen about had to do with the scratches and abrasions that doctor Anderson had initially observed on John's body. Those marks alone couldn't definitively confirm foul play. But I guess they stood out enough to the mortician that he felt like he needed to mention something to Helen. By the end of July, John was in the ground and to settle county sheriff's office, had to accept that they had a true whodunnit murder on their hands. Two forensic pathologists had confirmed John died as a result of a homicide. But investigators had no way of proving how it had happened or who was responsible. At least not yet. Within a matter of weeks, forensic results from the FDLE lab started coming in, and what they revealed, nothing is what it seems. Is coming up on the next episode of counterclock. Did you find it odd that John fingerprints weren't on that gun? Absolutely. Listen to episode 7, sweetheart. Right now..
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"Well how come you told Ralph that he was already born and got killed by some shooting them? Way before we even knew about it, that's not fruit. That's exactly the truth because that's exactly what Ralph told them that you got to run in this cell and you told them that he said we shot him. Let me explain to us how you made a phone call to Ralph and told him that. I didn't fail Ralph said he had been shot. So how the route know he's been shot. He said, you told him. Unfortunately, I can't ask Ralph strater about his conversation with skip for myself because he's since died. But back in 2003, him telling authorities that skip knew John had been shot before anyone else knew that information. Made skip the prime suspect in the murder investigation. Skip's lack of ability to explain his actions only ratcheted up the pressure on him. Toward the end of his July 10th interview, agent John Smith from FDLE was relentless in trying to get skipped to crack. That boy is dead, yes, your honor. That boy got shot and he got killed by somebody that was there. Yes, that afternoon. I swear to God, I mean, you know something. I firmly believe it was you. And I think you feel a hell of a lot better. You get it off your chest and you just tell me what happens. I think that voice is you all. I think that boy got right in your face and you go right back in his face. It's quite clever. Why did you take his belt off? How did his belt get off of him? I have no idea. I think what had happened when he first went back there with that little you follow him back in there, you heard it confrontation. He never even got off that ATV, right? You had to pick his ass up and drag him over to that water and throw him into it. I do not own that more. But who is this? What do you mean you didn't harm him? Did he die immediately? He was still breathing when you put him in the water. He was renewed in the water. His lungs filled with water. Did you know that? I didn't do it. How close did you get to when you saw him? I did not do it, sir. That was the ask God. That's not a truth. This went on and on for over an hour. And every time skip was accused, he denied any involvement in the crime. And for the most part, investigators really had no hard evidence suggesting otherwise. All they had was circumstantial hunches. Sure, they had John's gun, but they were stuck waiting on initial lab results and fingerprinting to come back for that. Meanwhile, before they let Patrick and skip go on July 10th. They tested both of them for gunshot residue and accompanied them back to their houses to collect the clothing and shoes they'd been wearing on the day John died. Detectives didn't collect pats clothing, though. They only took a pair of white tennis shoes, she said she'd worn over to the trash pile. Within a few hours, the GSR results for skipping Patrick came back as clean. That proved that neither of them had shot a firearm recently, or at least there was no residue left on their arms and hands by the time they were swabbed on July 10th. After that, FDLE impounded skip's pickup truck, which, according to the registration, technically belonged to his late father, and also pat straighter. FDL hauled off to the crime lab in Fort Myers. While state agents sorted through the physical evidence and decided what to send off for blood, DNA, and fingerprint analysis. 5 days passed, and on Tuesday, July 15th, one week after John's death the DeSoto county sheriff's office decided to change up how they were going to keep questioning their prime suspects. You ready? Ready. We've come in the past. It's going to be. On a sweltering summer afternoon, armed with a video recorder. They took Patrick pat and skip out to the southeast hansel avenue crime scene at separate times and had them once again go through their stories. And what happened? That's on the next episode of counterclock, suspicions, listen, right now..
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"For that silt to settle. For almost two decades, Patrick has lived with a lot of internal guilt about the fact that he didn't do things differently 19 years ago. I felt actually guilty about not forcing myself down there to try to help him. But I think it's mainly the cops that made me feel guilty about that. I mean, if you're ever in the situation I was in. Sometimes it's hard to say what you would do until you're put in that situation. It did not sit right with DeSoto county detectives that neither Patrick pat or skip had attempted CPR on John when they first found him. It's something Kim pointed out during Patrick's interview and about a half hour later when she got a crack at pat. But because neither of their responses had been anything other than, well, we assumed he was dead because he'd been gone so long, Kim had to move on. The investigation had too much ground to cover to get hung up on that. Like you heard in the last episode, we know Kim interviewed pat on July 9th, around 1 o'clock. Shortly after speaking with Patrick. Investigators didn't clear her or Patrick as potential suspects after their initial interviews. But based on some of the things they said, authorities felt confident the last of the prime witnesses skip had to be questioned in quick succession as well. Everything in the case was rapidly evolving. And by the time de Soto county sheriff's office got skipped in the hot seat, at two 15 p.m. on July 9th, an FDLE special agent had joined the interrogation process. That agent, named John Smith, along with Kim Lewis, wanted to know how skip's version of events was going to stack up against Patrick and pat's stories. Based on what police had learned so far, skip was the last person to see John alive. Writing off into the Woods on the four Wheeler at 1230 on July 8th. Skip was the guy authorities had to pin down and pin down is exactly what they did. You lied to me. I'm sorry. You lied to me over a couple of things. Which causes me to really think you're up your eyeballs in this stuff. That's coming up in episode 5 skip. Listen, right now..
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"He said he was coming back. What does that mean? There'll be more. I'm with you every moment. I'm with all of you. Shining girls. Now streaming on Apple TV plus. This is episode 6 suspicions. The hottest part of the day in South Florida in the middle of July is usually between 1 o'clock and 3 o'clock. It's oppressive. The sun's beating down and the sky is building with stifling hot air prepping to unleash into a massive afternoon thunderstorm. A mushy, mosquito filled pasture is the last place you want to be walking around. But on July 15th, 2003, one week after John wells was killed. That's where DeSoto county sheriff's office detectives took their three prime suspects. I say suspects because by this point in the investigation, all documentation I've read named Patrick pat and skip as actual suspects. You ready? Ready. At one 30 p.m. detective Kim Lewis started walking with John's grandma through her pasture in Woods and asked her to reconstruct what she remembered from the day John died. Another detective video recorded. In between embarrassed laughs from Kim as pat joked about knowing her daddy and Kim awkwardly digging around in the sand and grass with the toe or booed. Pat essentially took the lead as they trudged through the property. When they arrived at the trash pile in ditch where John's four Wheeler and body were found, they stopped. Almost all of the dialog audio in the VHS tape is unusable due to the camera operator standing at least ten feet from Kim and pat at all times. But to summarize, pat didn't change her story from what she'd told Kim days earlier on July 9th. For about 40 minutes, she went through all of the same info. She said she'd driven once on her own to look for John and didn't find him. Then she drove back there again with Patrick, and that's when her skip and Patrick found the gun, holster belt, and thigh straps strewn in a line. Pats demeanor throughout the video comes off normal.
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"Your trouble shooter 303713 talk 7138255, All right. I'm in the email contact with someone being pressured to do the vaccine at work, But that's the whole issue. I'm going to go to separately. Now I want Oh, I want to ask G wink a question then we have somebody wants to help. We have two people that want to help Shannon Shannon. Hang on G wing before we let you go, and we appreciate your patience. You've answered a lot of questions about exemptions. You've answered questions about preferential debt You may owe to friends or family and what you can do after a bankruptcy before bankruptcy. Somebody said they filed a Chapter seven. And I don't know if it's true over there just wanting answers. And they inherited money after that. Months from the day of filing. If it happens within six months of the day of filing the bankruptcy, you have to alert the trustee in the bankruptcy on DIT. It will come in to pay off your debt, and it doesn't matter if you've received the money within six months. It's whether you became entitled to an inheritance. Within six months of filing. Um, we've had this happen once, and we converted to a chapter 13 for that client so they could Pay off, You know, See who filed a claim. Pay it off over time, that kind of thing. So that's really your only wiggle room. There is maybe want to convert. Um you want to talk to an attorney about that? But if it's if it's 181 days You get to keep it. You don't have to alert anybody. So it's all a matter of numbers. Now, G wink, you have payment plans for people that need to give you a little at a time until they have money to file. Yes. What if they can't file after giving you money for some reason or another, or they come into money and don't want to file We only keep what we've earned, Tom. So we we keep the money in trust. And we only pull it out as we earn it for time spent on your case. So if something happened and you didn't need the file, we would refund what we had an earned, um and I will say this once. Years and years ago we had a client win the lottery, and so they didn't mean to file bankruptcy anymore, but we settled their debt for them and still save him some money. Good stuff wink like the wink wink and wink dot com, which is a hell of a name for think. Prosecutor Wink wink. I mean, it's weird, but you guys are straight. We need to meet a married couple of lawyers named Nudge It could be wink wink nudge nudge. That would be that would be classic anyway. Wink and wink dot com 303410. 17 20. They're on referral list, calm. Right now, Shannon. Let's do this. Shannon. Okay, So Shannon was homeless in December. Her kid can't she can't arrange visitation. She's been divorced. She's been trying to get her life together. She says she's had a struggle with drugs. She says she's currently sober now. When was the last time you use Shannon in November when that charge was filed? You know, the I'm sorry. When what you talking about what you were. You pled guilty to controlled substance over two years ago, I I would be in Let's see 2020 would be in 2000 of 18 march 29th of 2018. Okay? Because because I have 27 19 5 2027 2000. I'm sorry. 5 27 Year eight Right around that time you said five. Ok, good. OK, So I'm hoping you're telling the truth. But here's the thing. I'm not Shannon. I'm not sitting here in judgment of you, but what I'm going to say is this, I think Everyone deserves a chance. I don't know how many chance you've been given. But here we had a guy listening. We we found you a job. When can you start? Wait, hold that We found you a job in a place to live. And somebody wants to help you. Get on your feet. Now. Two separate people. When can you start working now? This second Okay. Now, Shannon, we're going to give you contact information for the job and then contact information for a place to stay. We're we're going to let them listen. We're going to let them make a decision and we if you can stick to a place to live and a job more than a month We're going to kick in some money for you to help you further. Get on your feet. You will not be disappointed at all. Shannon, We're going to check back with you. Because listen, we had someone else we've had for several people We've helped. Not many people have disappointed us. In fact, I don't know where our failure to launch kid is Patrick, We ought to check in on him. He hasn't really done stellar things. But at least At least about Shawna. He was self civilian. Oh, Shawn. Oh, it was a disappointment. But you know what? He was trying to fatten the house. I'm betting on Shannon Mark. I'm betting on Shannon. Okay. Shannon, You were right there with Patrick to know. I'm gonna bet on Shannon. I never bet on Patrick, but I'm betting on Shannon. Okay, Shannon, hold on. Suzanne will get you all of that information about the two year sent me out with where the postman was stealing their house. Oh, yes. Oh, Mark is bringing up all the times I tried. I trusted people and fell for stories. My God, one time. I'm just gonna tell you this on channel for Christmas Eve. This is the best years and years ago. Woman. Pregnant. Sorry story. And her husband, Christmas Eve. A snowy night I did a live shot. We got her a motel raised money gifts. Some guy calls me and says time you know that woman you had on the news. Well, they're partying like banshees and I said for New Year's, and I said What Yeah, and the guy from the hotel called, said he wants him out of there. So they said, Call you You're taking care of things. I said no. I gave him money. You gave him the place and you got a little discounted rather than if you make a long story short. I call her and asks about the baby because it was supposed to be born like a day or two after Christmas, and she said It was stillborn..