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"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"One of the things I found interesting in listening to mister Friedman talk about the rag is the sheets are all the variables that they take into account. One of the things that always has been difficult for me to handicap, especially with a force like white line that's either stretching out or a horse like Jackie's warrior that shortening up as how do you especially more with the horse actually stretching out. How do you account for that? How they're going to perform. Obviously, by breeding you can say, hey, it's a lot more predictable how horse is going to do stretching out. But in that, in that aspect of looking at a horse shortening up, can you kind of just give me some of your thoughts about it? Because I really do respect you as a handicapper, how to look at that. You know, maybe even more on turf than on dirt. Now, just take the call off the air and listen, but thank you for the show. Well, wait a minute. Before you go, the question is, how to figure out how horses are going to do shortening up or lengthening out as far as the distances go? More or less shortening, this kind of lawyer did, you know, they had him on the Derby trail and, you know, they tried him at oak on around two turns and he would work out and the barn said, hey, he's with sprinter. And I'll be the first one to tell you I thought all that's just an excuse. There's something something not right with that horse or he just isn't as talented or maybe he peaked as a two year old. And just what kind of clues do you look for and how a horse is going to do, you know, maybe shortening up. Obviously, you know, there's more clues to it when they stretch out, but a horse that was going two turns and you know what? And maybe it's a three year old that we're taking off the Derby trail in March and we're going to shorten him back up and make the sprinter out of it. You know, because a couple of years, the past year is they've heard that out of different Derby horses and I've always thought oh, that's just a cap at the beginning on the Derby trail. And he couldn't win and I was wrong. To some extent, I believe it was hard spun when he shortened up and won that big sprint. That big sprint and Saratoga and things like that. I just fallen for that as a handicapper and made that air several times. And I'm just trying to rectify and be a better handicapper. All right, well, I appreciate the call, Tom. So let's take Jackie's warrior as an example of this. So Jackie's warrior was a tremendous two year old. At one point, he was regarded as the best two year old in the country. Now, as it turned out, he was one of the best two year olds in the country. But when it came to longer distances, he couldn't compete with a horse named essential quality. He was undefeated going into the breeders cup juvenile in 2020. I believe he won the Saratoga special and he won the hopeful and I think he won the champagne, which of course, even though it's a mile, is a one turn mile at Belmont park. So he tried two turns for the first time in the breeders cup juvenile and he showed speed and he ended up finishing fourth in the race, came back two turns in the southwest stakes for his three year old debut and ran third, although it wasn't the most impressive third in the world. And I think after that, they just said, listen, maybe we just bite the bullet and this horse is a mile or at most and he's a sprinter miler. He's not a two turn horse. When it's the younger horses, I think sometimes the trainers and the owners are both hamstrung and have delusions of grandeur. And I'm not saying that that happened with Steve asim and the connections of Jackie's worry, but just think about it. Horses four for four. He's going to be favored in the breeders cup juvenile. He's never run around two turns. We don't know if he can run around two turns. He certainly looked good going one turn in the mile in the champagne in the champagne. But we don't know until we try him around two turns. As it turns out, whether it's the actual two turn thing or it's the distance of over a mile, Jackie's warrior just simply wasn't of this effective. So they kind of figured it out for us that he was going to be a one turn horse and not a two turn horse. As far as handicapping horses switching from long to short or short to long, it's hard to figure. I look a lot at what the patient scenario is in the race and I look a lot at what the breeding of the horses, if they're trying something for the first time, especially horse going from short to long. I want to see who the sire is. I want to see who the damn sire is. If I see nothing but sprint breeding there, I'm going to be a little bit more gun shy than I am if I see long distance breeding on both sides. If this horse has been on or near the lead going short and is stretching out to long and I see other speed in the field, I may not like him as much as if I think, hey, this horse is going to clear this field. And he's not going to have to work that hard to get the lead. And he may only have to really run for the last three eighths of the race. That's a little bit different. I maybe look at that. So there's a lot of factors. There's nothing that's hard and fast, you know, a guaranteed profit maker, yes or no, it's a case by case basis. But what these young horses and especially with those visions of The Kentucky Derby out in the distance, you'll see a lot of two year olds that maybe are destined to be sprinters that they're trying to make into route horses just to see just to see what's up..
"derby trail" Discussed on The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast
"The shap cap, we'll talk some Derby trail oaks, trails, a little bit about the masters, a little bit about what's been going on with shaft. We don't get to catch up with shap as often. And like I said, I think I'll what I'll try to do with those guys and the jury that's kind of no longer a jury. You know, bring Scott and James in on a semi regular basis, you know, every couple of months or something like that because it is good to check in with those guys and they're part of the home team. And I like to talk with them as we as we do. I just not that long ago got some bad news about the grants passed downs is not going to be opening this year. So I am sitting here in my apartment sad about that. It's a bummer. There had been a chance that they were not going to, so what happened? The real real long story short of this is instant racing historical horse race whenever you want to call it is legal in Oregon. It was passed back and I think 2013 or 2014. It was right around when I left Portland Meadows. And Portland Meadows had it, but they never really advertised it was weird. Thought that things were. But whatever, it was legalized. And in Oregon, you can't have non tribal casinos, but the HHR were enough like para mutual games, and they were para mutual, which is how, you know, that's the reason they have them in a lot of states is because they are para mutual. So when grant's pass became the commercial meat Travis boursin, who we've had on this program before, the founder and president of Dutch Bros coffee and president owner guy of TMB racing, which was grant's pass downs. He built this very nice lavish gaming Emporium restaurant called the flying lark named after flying lark who was one of the most famous horses in Oregon. And Oregon history. Everything was kind of ready to go. Obviously the machines were going to kind of subsidize racing and the purses were going to grow and everything was going to grow. And the governor of Oregon basically, the fact I'm trying to think if I still have the title of the article because it was a doozy. Here's the here's the title of the oregonian article. Oregon racing commission, under pressure from governor moves to block grant's pass gambling center. The commission members made their vote under the threat of removal from their position by governor Kate Brown. And so I do not want to get political on this show and I won't. But governor brown's decision in that matter. And obviously there's things at play and there's other groups at play and all that kind of stuff. But essentially, she said she wanted to side with the objectors that were saying that these new machines were not para mutual or were not, they were too indicative of a slot machine or whatever. And so that kind of killed the flying lark. Travis had said that he was going to individually personally finance this year's meat in order to keep things going while they appeal. But with the uncertainty of that and obviously the long-term uncertainty being massively uncertain, they were just not getting the stall applications that they would need. I think they said they had a 120 horses show up here and obviously the meat starts in less than a month and even though a lot of people had said they were going to come, they just, it wasn't going to happen and so they were not going to have enough horses and I think at some point it just became untenable for Travis to continue to pour money into the thing when the meat was not going to be very good and happened because of the uncertainty. Obviously if the machines were there and the purses were there, the entries would have been fine. Entries were good last year. I mean, I feel like we offer decent sized fields. And so talk to my boss a little bit a little while ago and he gave me the bad news and I'm bummed about it. I was there for two seasons. 2020 and 2021, the four seasons, like four meats, but two years. And my contract was for three years. And so this would have been my last year under contract. Now whether or not I would have gone back or not, who knows, but it was really a fun place for me to go. My ex-girlfriend Victoria, who lives down in that area, I stayed with her every season. We broke up on good terms. It was just because I was moving and leaving the northwest all the time. But it was so great to get to spend time with her every spring and fall, you know, we'd cook dinner, she had this great garden. It was just very nice. Take walks and just live a good clean life down there. And close to my mom up there so I could go home a couple of times during the spring and the fall. And the racing was fun. It was a challenge to call because it's different. It's a bowl ring and I just know so many of those horsemen for my years of Portland Meadows and I feel really bad for them. Obviously, you know, finding a new place to compete. There are, I would think a lot of them will go to emerald downs. I would think some will go to the California fairs. I think some will go to Arizona downs and I think some will close up shop. Every time we lose a track, there's going to be some people that close up shop, because moving is moving your life and your business is not for everybody. And it's not tenable for a lot of people. And yeah, I think I saw some potential in Grants Pass downs if everything kind of would have gone right that it was going to really kind of find its place as a good small nighttime circuit. And I think we did that. We had to handle growth tremendously. Not anything huge, but sizable differences the last couple of years and worked with some great people there. My buddy tag, who was the marketing guy, just a great guy, Randy, my boss was awesome, rod, who was the guy that hired.
"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"Way it sounded last Saturday at Gulfstream park in Helen L beach, Florida. PDL with the call of white a barrio. Winning the Florida Derby, running his record to four for 5 lifetime and the son of race day has been really, really good. His only defeat coming in the Kentucky jockey club stakes at Churchill last November and wondering if that might be a little bit of concern for way to barrio, has done great at Gulfstream, four for four, but over one outside of the sunshine state, expected to be joined by his trainer safi Joseph junior, however, just got a text from safi that he is not able to make it here this morning. So we'll go ahead and give him a pass. You know, he's big league now. I remember sappy Joseph junior when he was training in Barbados and nobody knew who safi Joseph junior was, except for my good friend, the pontiff of the pick for Jude feld, then he introduced me to him and now all of a sudden he's on the Derby trail and he's got one of the favorites and he's big time. So now just giving him a hard time. He is, he's tied up at the moment, won't be able to join us here this morning, but it's okay. 'cause it gives us a chance to talk about what we saw from white of barrio and what we saw from that race last week. And I started the show by kind of recapping the poll question from last week, where I asked you which of the three races the Arkansas Derby, the Florida Derby or the Jim beam stakes appeared to be the deepest field. And it was a runaway. So many of you said it was the Florida Derby. And if that's the case, does that mean that the winner of the Florida Derby way to barrio? Since he beat the deepest field, is now the horse to beat in The Kentucky Derby. Do we look at it that way? I don't think you can. But you could make that case. He won what many of you, at least last weekend, thought was the deepest prep race. He won it, going away. Good effort too in that race. Let's not overlook what happened with charge it. Didn't have the best beginnings. Got himself into position under Louis syes, who, look, I mean, you're going to put a jockey on a horse now. There are some great ones out there. Johnny V, Joel. Mike Smith. Erotic Ortiz, Jose or there are some fantastic jockeys out there. But Louis zayas as good as it gets. And he got that horse into a great position, the horse ran big. To punch his ticket to The Kentucky Derby if they do decide to go that direction. But why the barrio? He looks like the real deal. Now, people will knock him because of the fact that he has only won at Gulfstream park. But I think he's matured. I think sappy has him where he wants him to be. He'll be making his third start of 2022. Which, you know, in a horse's form cycle, we hear that all the time in handicapping, the third start is typically one of their better starts, maybe their best start, he'll have him ready to peak. Four weeks from today on Derby day. And as I told you, many times we talked about this last week, the Florida Derby has produced more Kentucky Derby winners than any prep race in the history of The Kentucky Derby. And the longest drought that we have seen from the Florida Derby in terms of producing a Kentucky Derby winner. Has been 5 years. Think about that. And how consistent that race has actually been. The longest drought in the Florida Derby. Has been 5 years. If you go back to the 1990s. 2017 was the last horse to come out of the Florida Derby and win The Kentucky Derby, always dreaming that was 5 years ago. You had 5 years from big Brown in 2008 to orb in 2013, you had 5 years from monarchos in 2001 to barbaro in 2006. So if you go back to 2001 21 years of history, the longest gap has been 5 years. We are due for a horse to come from. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean it's the horse that wins. The Florida Derby, but that has been the case and all the scenarios I just mentioned. It could be a horse, it could be a horse that was second could be a horse that was third. It could be simplification. He's going to the Derby. He didn't have the best of trips in the Florida Derby. Maybe simplification is the horse. You want to go back even further. Thunder gulch in 1995 to monarchos in 2001, that's a 6 year gap. You don't see it often in the Florida Derby. Makes you think this is the year. Poll question today. I asked you if you could only watch one of the three Derby prep races. Coming up this afternoon. The wood memorial, the bluegrass takes of the Santa Anita Derby, which one are you going to choose? You can only watch one. It's the bluegrass stakes it's a runaway winner right now. 52% of the vote saying it's the bluegrass stakes. Now 53%, 27% for the Santa Anita Derby, 20% for the wood memorial. And speaking of the San Anita Derby. You're going to hear from Joe Moran, who is the racing man drew in my racehorse, the California racing manager. Forbidden kingdom, messier, in a fantastic showdown. Later today, in Arcadia, California. And forbidden kingdom, a horse that a lot of people have very high on their list. They have him circled..
"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"Like I said, we didn't go and see her, I was a little surprised when we saw her. She's a slight and, you know, maybe 15 three if that's being generous. But you know, she was hard knocking, retired sound, and she was definitely a greedy marriage. I think that definitely passed through to most of her foals. Nick's go is now standing at TaylorMade farm here in Lexington or just outside of Lexington and Nicholas feel I guess. Will you make it a point to get down here and go visit him? Yeah, of course I can't wait. I got I think about 16 more mayors left to fall and I'll be on my way. So that quickly. Yeah, yeah well hopefully so I got I'm going to be wrapped up here pretty soon and I want to try to make it to the Derby if I can. I've never been done this early folding ever. So I'm going to try to do that, go down and see next go. I had a mirror that I took to him that I'm waiting on a Craig check so we'll see hopefully I'll have one of my own next year. But yeah, I'd love to go see him and for money here he's really enjoying his new job. So he's doing well. Well this segment unsung heroes really is designed to recognize people in the sport that do wonderful things. Don't always find themselves in the headlines. You certainly have when you breed a horse of the year, you end up in the headlines and you do interviews all over the place. And that's pretty cool. But you're still getting up every day. You're talking about the folding. You're talking about having mayors that you're taking to stallions. And you're looking to breathe the next good one. Tell me about the operation and the challenges that you face day in and day out. It's not all glory every single day. No, it's not. And actually, be honest with you, I had a pretty rough night last night with a Marina full and you know, I think I might have went to bed at 6. So I'm running on a few hours of sleep, but we're supposed to see for an operation like mine and many, it's small. And especially now more than ever, it helps hard to find the prices of things are going up. It's making it harder and harder to have these smaller farms for sure. But you're just doing a lot of the grunt work by yourself and but you know, it takes an army to run these farms and do what we do and like you said, just trying to find the people and pay them appropriately and keep your business running as probably the hardest part. You know, the horses are the easy part. You know, we all do it because we love the horses. But the logistics of running the business itself is really tough. Yeah, yeah, it's a challenge day in and day out and you're always looking for the next big horse. What do you do for an encore here, Sabrina? I don't know. Brad's got another one of my billies that I've read was actually kind of a funny story because she was with Linda rice at first and I remember I went up to Saratoga for a random weekend and were like, on the rail, we're kind of looking for the neon shirts at limo always has and we go back to the barn because you need to go and one of the boys is like, hey, guess who we have? And it was a Philly. So I talked to Brad the awards and he said that she should come back in the summer and hopefully have a fun year with her. So that'll be nice. Her name's amendment 19. So that'll be great. And then other than that, I got Nick goes, his half sister, she's about to have a more than ready here in a little bit. I've got a mayor that just pulled to improbable and then kicking on the sails and seeing where we go from there. The work continues. It never ends, but hope springs eternal for breeder Sabrina more and her family. Sabrina listened really appreciate the visit this morning. Congratulations on nicks go. Congratulations on being an unsung hero and keep up the wonderful work. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. All right, Sabrina Moore, boy, what a story. And this sport filled with unsung heroes. If you know somebody, you feel deserves to be recognized as an unsung hero, simply email their story to me. Mike at horse racing radio dot net. And I will do my best to reach out to them and schedule them in the weeks and the months ahead. And we will recognize them as a true unsung hero in thoroughbred racing. All right, when I come back, we turn our attention back to the oaks and Derby trail. I do that with Byron king from bloodhorse. This is the equine form, presented by twin spires on H, RN. Make woodbine the place to train and race your thoroughbred in 2022. Take advantage of competitive per structures with huge bonuses for Ontario breads and a woodbine backstretch equipped.
"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"Like I said, we didn't go and see her, I was a little surprised when we saw her. She's a slight and, you know, maybe 15 three if that's being generous. But you know, she was hard knocking, retired sound, and she was definitely a Gritty mirror and I think that definitely passed through to most of her foals. Next go is now standing at TaylorMade farm here in Lexington or just outside of Lexington and Nicholas feel I guess. Will you make it a point to get down here and go visit him? Yeah, of course I can't wait. I got I think about 16 more mayors left to fall and I'll be on my way. So that quickly. Yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully, so I got I'm going to be wrapped up here pretty soon and I want to try to make it to the Derby if I can. I've never been done this early folding ever. So I'm going to try to do that, go down and see next go. I had a mirror that I took to him that I'm waiting on a prank check. So we'll see hopefully I'll have one of my own next year. But yeah, I'd love to go see him. And for money here, he's really enjoying his new job. So he's doing well. Well, this segment unsung heroes really is designed to recognize people in the sport that do wonderful things. Don't always find themselves in the headlines. You certainly have when you breed horse of the year, you end up in the headlines and you do interviews all over the place. And that's pretty cool. But you're still getting up every day. You're talking about the folding. You're talking about having mayors that you're taking to stallions. And you're looking to breathe the next good one. Tell me about the operation and the challenges that you face day in and day out. It's not all glory every single day. No, it's not. And actually be honest with you, I had a pretty rough night last night with a Marina full and you know, I think I might have went to bed at 6. So I'm running on a few hours of sleep, but you know, for especially for an operation like mine and many, it's small. And especially now more than ever, it helps hard to find the prices of things are going up. It's making it harder and harder to have these smaller farms, for sure. But you're just doing a lot of the grunt work by yourself and but you know, it takes an army to run these farms and do what we do and like you said, just trying to find the people and pay them appropriately and keep your business running as probably the hardest part. You know, the horses are the easy part. You know, we all do it because we love the horses. But the logistics of running the business itself is really tough. Yeah, yeah, it's a challenge day in and day out and you're always looking for the next big horse. What do you do for an encore? Here's Sabrina. I don't know. Brad's got another one of my billies that I've read was actually kind of a funny story because she was with Linda rice at first and I remember I went up to Saratoga for a random weekend and we're like on the rail, we're kind of looking for the neon shirts at limo always has and we go back to the barn because you need to go and one of the boys is like, hey, guess who we have? And it was a Philly. So I talked to Brad the awards and he said that she should come back in the summer and hopefully have a fun year with her. So that'll be nice. Her name's amendment 19. So that'll be great. And then other than that, I got Nick goes, his half sister, she's about to have a more than ready here and a little bit. I've got a mayor that just sold to improbable and then kicking on the sale and seeing where we go from there. Now, the work continues. It never ends, but hope springs eternal for breeder Sabrina war and her family. Sabrina, listen, really appreciate the visit this morning. Congratulations on Nick's go. Congratulations on being an unsung hero and keep up the wonderful work. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. All right, Sabrina more boy, what a story. And this sport filled with unsung heroes. If you know somebody, you feel deserves to be recognized as an unsung hero, simply email their story to me. Mike at horse racing radio dot net. And I will do my best to reach out to them and schedule them in the weeks and the months ahead. And we will recognize them as a true unsung hero in thoroughbred racing. All right, when I come back, we turn our attention back to the oaks and Derby trail. I do that with Byron king from bloodhorse. This is the equine form, presented by twin spires on H, RN. Make woodbine the place to train and race your thoroughbred in 2022. 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"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"Out this podcast after we finish up in just a few hours. We are officially inside of 80 days to the run for the roses. Can you believe it? As a matter of fact, we are exactly 77 days, 9 hours, 43 minutes and one second, away from the first Saturday in May. And trust me, it'll be here before we know it. As a matter of fact, too, we're 258 days away from the breeders cup, returning to Keenan and I bring that up because we have a win in your in for the breeders cup classic later today in Japan, the February stakes where cafe farrow you just heard him winning last year's race. Cafe farrow is looking to defend his title in that one. And we'll see if he accepts that invitation if indeed he does win that race later today. I believe post time is somewhere after 10 o'clock Pacific time tonight and that'll be on TV. Things are really going to another level at the fairgrounds later today when it comes to the Derby trail. It is the start of the championship series with the grade two risen star stakes. What does that mean? Well, it's essentially a winning you're in with 50 points being awarded to the winner. Last year, 50 points put you smack dab in the middle of the 20 horse field. So when today, you're in great shape. As a matter of fact, if you go by last year, any horse currently sitting with ten points could be in position to find themselves in the starting gate on the first Saturday in May. Sounds crazy, right? Last year, after defections, Brooklyn strong was the final horst into the field, and he had only earned ten points. So you're saying there's a chance. Yeah, I'm saying there's a chance. But you sure the heck don't want to leave it up to chance if you have a horse that you think is Derby caliber. You want to go out and get those points later today. And today's risen star, that field, that field appears to be extremely strong. Now, time is going to tell if that's actually the case. But on paper, based upon what we've seen from these horses so far, this looks like a very good group. Mark Cassie's papa cap who had been the leader in the point standings before being supplanted at the top by classic causeway is now ranked number two. And among those who really should be favored in the risen star today. I think he's going to take a lot of money. And by the way, don't sleep on classic causeway. Winner of the CMF Davis last weekend. You heard from his owners here on the show. He has a pedigree, which absolutely is tailor made for classic distances. And he has plenty of speed to be placed anywhere he needs to be, which will keep him out of trouble if he does get to the Derby in a big 20 horse field. And he's in the very capable hands of trainer Brian lynch. He is very, very dangerous. And I think sometimes horses that come from the CMF Davis and take that Tampa Bay Derby root. Don't always get the respect that they deserve. And let's face it. A lot of Derby winners to come through there. Street cents comes to mind. But there are horses like classic causeway that just look like a Derby contender. And he has that look right now. Epicenter from the barn of two time risen star winning trainer Steve asmussen is currently ranked number three on the points list. He's in the risen star today. Can make peaks smile happy who has become a buzz horse on the road to The Kentucky Derby. He closed it 8 to one that's second betting choice behind only the field, so he was the top betting choice in the individual entries in last weekend's third Derby futures pool at Churchill downs. He is currently ranked number 9 and Doug O'Neill's Los alamitos futurity when they're slow down Andy is in tenth. So four of the current top ten Derby contenders meet in that ten horse risen star stakes later today. I think that qualifies for a strong prep race. And think about this. If that's not enough, I haven't even mentioned the horses trained, well, the two horses trained by back to back champion trainer Brad Cox. Who has won this race, each of the past two years, I haven't mentioned pioneer of Medina trained by the always dangerous Hall of Famer, Todd pletcher. Who currently sits in a tie with his mentor Dwayne Lucas and trainer Neil Howard for most wins in the risen star all time with three. A win today in Todd will stand alone atop that list. And I haven't mentioned Chad Brown. Who sends out the talented son of upstart, zanden, who was a nose away from being a grade two winner as a juvenile. I can not wait for this race later today. It is rock solid. Fairgrounds handicapper, Joe Christopher will be here at 8 35 eastern to walk through all of today's big steaks on Louisiana Derby preview day at the fairgrounds. I'm also going to be joined by jockey Corey Landry at 9 40 to discuss the aforementioned smile happy who will most likely be favored in that risen star, Cory getting the leg up from Kenny mcpeek once again. In this afternoon's race, it's also a really big day at Laurel. 6 stakes races part of their ten race card. That includes a pair of grade three events, the Barbara fritchie and the general George. Analyst Naomi Tucker joins me in just a few minutes at 8 15 eastern after our first break to preview those races. Sam Houston plays host to 5 state traces on their Texas preview night, first post this evening 6 55 central. So 7 55 here on the east coast. Announcer Nick tamaro will join me to talk about those races at 9 o'clock eastern. This is also an unsung heroes week and I love those segments. The segments brought to you every week by our friends at entertainment. I'm going to welcome longtime Joe sharp assistant..
"derby trail" Discussed on The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast
"Inspires a funny enough during the commercial break during the ten minutes that I took off during the commercial break to stretch and rest my voice too. That's another thing I got to do more of. My buddy Ryan Thompson, who's the incredibly good photographer. I should say one of the incredibly good photographers down at Gulfstream park. And in racing in general, we have some really wonderful track photographers at a lot of the tracks and I let Ryan just seems to, for me, he captures the sport a little differently than everybody else. And he goes for some cool angles and he has he took a photo and I just retweeted it of the overhead camera that he puts in for the start and it happened to be right above simplifications gate and you know I know that a photograph can make distance and layers and stuff look a little different, but it certainly noticeable that at least those first couple jumps, like he's already a length behind, like his high end is not even out of the gate yet. So kind of interesting. And mode on a go, you kind of see that he's a shade behind the one and the three, as they leave. Really cool shots. We got some awesome photogs in this wonderful world of horse racing. So anyways, we can recap special. This is special, by the way. I was talking about this. The Swedish chain, let's go through this Gulfstream card kind of quick because I do want to get to the withers what was an interesting race and aqueduct there. Three year old Phillies in the Swedish chant, it was openly who came from off the pace. They went and set a pretty honest clip. You had to long shot my favorite daughter. And this happens in these turf routes, right? Sometimes you just get the odd long shadow once in a while their favorite, but it seems like they're often a long shot. Go out and open up and kind of run this wasn't an insane pace. It was just quick. And I couldn't quite maintain it, but I don't believe in Louisiana. Louis had a big day too on Saturday coming from off the pace to win that one. The forward gal always one of my favorite early three year old Philly preps, just always seems like there's been a lot of good runners in here over the years. Well, as Brad Cox with a girl with a dream now, radio days was bent down a pretty heavy favoritism in this spot and came away last little ways behind and you know that's kind of her style, but the way the race shaped up girl with a dream just kind of went to the front and was, you know, just clicking off pretty, pretty easily. Now radio days did make up ground and did finish way ahead of everybody else. And was inching closer to girl with a dream. You know, whether or not radio days wants to go longer because I think there's a, especially amongst beginning handicappers, I think you learn this as you watch more races, but it's a real easy thing to confuse. I'll never forget the horse that taught me this lesson, a horse named siriano at emerald downs. Go look up siriano from 2004. She won a stake going 6 and a half and she rallied from off the pace. Now I know a lot, a lot of our more experienced listeners are gonna, you know, they already know this. But I know a lot of our listeners are new too. So I do want to once in a while I'll talk about this stuff. But siriano comes and she just from way out rolls by them all and wins. And the next race in that series stretched out to a mile and I remember betting siriano because she was just going to mow him down again and didn't quite have that same kick and didn't get there and I think it's for a lot of new players. You know, they think like, oh, more ground equals, you know, more chance to make up ground. What a really equals is more chance for the leaders not to go as fast. More chance or you have to close into a slower pace, and you have to make your move while you've already expanded more energy because you've just ran further. You're trying to make that same move 5 for longs into a race instead of in the sprint race where you made it three for longs into the race and you know obviously their exceptions to it, sure. Absolutely. But yeah, I think that's a good little reminder thing to have. You know, radio days just because she was closing in nicely and has done so so far. You know, this was this was her, you know, she was kind of at the same time for a long time. She was last time and she blew their doors off, but this was against better. And I was trying to chase a loose on the lead horse was coming off a nice steaks win last time out and it had a little bit of an experience edge too, frankly. I mean, girl with a dream has, you know, that was career start number 6 and she's now four for 6. And you got 5 to one. God, the hammered radio days in that race. That was crazy. Grand sonata victorious in the kitten's joy stakes around from off the pace made a real kind of late move between horses on kind of an exciting finish getting up over royal spirit and a Paco Lopez in the kitten's joy. The cleburne farm swale. I think chuck Simon called it the AI used to be on The Kentucky Derby trail stakes. I thought that was pretty funny. You know, for horses that just aren't, you know, they're going to the 7 furlongs is probably better and more part of their world than going on my own a 16th. But my prankster Louis science coming from off the pace. Looping up wide and blowing by him to win as the favorite day of Saturday at Gulfstream park, the holy bull card in the books. Let's go over to aqueduct where, you know, the track has been funny there. And I said recently, I have not been able to watch a ton of aqueduct because during the race, we obviously run a lot of the same days as them, and then during the race as a Tampa, we often run pretty opposite of Gulfstream and so that's the one that I have time to really watch. And you know, this time of year Gulf Stream is running a lot of very good races, but it seemed as though aqueduct was there was a huge huge rail bias couple weeks ago and then there was a the exact opposite. I think in the last week or early this week and you almost couldn't win down on the rail. And that was kind of carrying into Saturday a little bit as you got to the wither stakes, which was, you know, big full field of 11 going to mile an 8th and as I said Friday, like this is I didn't love the Jerome that was kind of the race that I was against of sorts. I just didn't think it was a great prep. But what were some of the other alternatives? Well, according to the better, is the alternatives were early voting who was bet all the way down to 6 to 5 favoritism coming off of a very good day when in her last start or his last start rather. And did it up on the front end going a mile at aqueduct and now obviously stretching out a little bit to my own, a big ask, but the horse took a ton of money. Let's take a listen back to John and brielle's call of the withers..
"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"The poll question today, and you can go to HR N on Twitter, horse racing radio network. On Facebook to weigh in, which of this weekend's Kentucky Derby points races has the strongest field. You know, we debated and I asked the answer a couple of weeks ago with Dale and Tim, I asked them which region of the country at this point looks strongest in terms of the Derby contenders or Derby hopefuls that are in that region. And the region that they both felt was the weakest region right now is the northeast. So horses in the Atlantic horses racing at aqueduct, and I think that when you look at the three prep races today, it kind of falls in line with the opinion that down and Tim had. I think the withers of those three is the least strongest field among them. The Robert B Lewis and the holy bull, I think it's close. And I think that those two with this particular pole this morning are going to battle down to the wire. Whenever you have. Top prospects, trained by Bob Baffert on the Derby trail, it's going to get attention. And that's what we have in the Robert B Lewis. And in the holy bull, Dale is there. Todd is there. With a couple of horses that, of course, mow down a gall with Todd giant game with Dale, third in the breeders cup, juvenile, when we last saw him, behind corniche, who was going to be champion two year old. A giant game ran a massive race that day. Huge. And they're back. So they're in the holy bowl in Florida. The Robert B Lewis is stacked, I'm going to be really curious to see what you think about this one, HR and nation, which of this weekend's Kentucky Derby points races has the strongest field. The holy bowl, the withers, the Robert B Lewis, go to at HR N on Twitter, horse racing radio network on Facebook, or you can email the show with your opinion. Let me know. Mike get horse racing radio dot net. All right, a lot of things to get to. It is a very, very busy show. Jam packed. Every segment is full. I kick it off with trainer ray handle. Next, this is the equine forum. Presented by twins buyers on HR N.
"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"Calling show here on the horse racing radio network your hour hr and nation Bobby Newman James Scully on Thursday, December 16th. Just before the final holiday edition comes up and then things really get cranking once again with opening day at Santa Anita and before you know it, we're on the Derby trail, James. Welcome back to another edition, my friend. Thank you, bob. Good evening to you. And yeah, it's getting close to getting close to the end of the year, holidays, and like he said, yeah, it's everything really starts getting cranked up that day after Christmas. Before you know it will be into those Derby, perhaps we're really already have had some the Derby trail in the oaks trail start so early these days points races begin back in September with the Iroquois over at Churchill downs. Of course, we just had another points race on the road to The Kentucky Derby in the low south utility where slowdown Andy got the wind. We'll discuss his win going on. And before you know it, fairgrounds is going to have their road to the Derby kick-off on December 26th, Oakland park is going to get into the swing of things on New Year's Day, so is aqueduct with the Jerome Santa Anita with the sham. So we're right there where it's just such a quick turnaround from the road to the breeders cup to the road to The Kentucky Derby and we're looking forward. It's always fun to look down the road. We're happy on either of these roads. A lot of there are some people that prefer the road to the breeders cup because you have so many more races. There are some people that prefer the road to the Derby and the oaks because you really get to focus on two big races. They're the first Friday and Saturday at well first Saturday in May for sure. Sometimes it could be the last Friday in April, I guess, for the oaks, but a lot coming up in the next coming months and certainly a lot to discuss. Phone lines open. In fact, we're going to go to the phones right now. Vance in Kentucky. Welcome to the brisk net dot com call in show. Good evening, guys. How are you? Hey, man. How are you today? Good. Thanks. I'm good. This is Vance Hanson from Bristol and twin spires on my colleague of James sculley. So I just wanted to say admire your work for a long time and you do a great job on this show. I appreciate it and I'm especially glad you didn't start out by saying how great James is. Well, it depends on what he has. His answer here and my question for him, but I'm going to throw a little curveball here. James and I both have a clip sort ballots coming up in the next couple of weeks. They'll be mailed to us and wanted to get James's take. I don't think we've talked about this between the two of us since the breeders cup, but I was curious if James has a way he's leaning in the three year old male eclipse award division race. Well, I mean, I think we talked about that a little bit last week, Bobby just talking about central quality, how he never finished in front of Medina Spirit in both races, but I'm going to vote for a central quality. I thought he had the best overall campaign. Was the best three year old, I thought his race in The Kentucky Derby. He was, you know, his trip conspired against him had a troubled trip and you know it really just caught a speed attract that you looked at the breeders cup classic results. They sort of ran around their track one two that day. I'm not going to count that race at the end of the year. I thought his efforts and races like the Belmont stakes and Travers and he just had the better campaign from the start of the year to the end of the year. What do you think, Bobby? Well, I have a question for both of you for our listeners that don't know when it comes to the eclipse balloting. Is this something where you are given a choice of three or four or are you able to write in whoever you would like? You can put in whoever you like. Yeah, basically have the freedom of whoever we like and obviously it doesn't pay to deviate too far off the mainstream. No, I would assume that the three that are listed are the likely three candidates in any division. But this is a weird year because on one hand you have a central quality who's done very little wrong. You ran a great race every time he went to the post. He was not able to beat Medina Spirit in The Kentucky Derby finished fourth that day. He was not able to beat Medina Spirit in the breeders cup classic, the two times they faced off. When you go to Medina Spirit, well, technically he's still the winner of The Kentucky Derby and he won the awesome again and things like that. Where does a horse like mandoon figure into this? Because theoretically, mandolin could be placed he could be The Kentucky Derby winner, and he was also placed first in the Haskell. And for a horse that isn't winning as many races as the others. If you're The Kentucky Derby winner and the Haskell winner, don't you have to get some sort of possible votes for three year old champion? I mean, I think he would get some votes for the also ran. It's like for second or third. But I don't think he would get votes for champion. I mean, one thing about it was that the Haskell was the last race of the year. It was in July. He only ran the first half of the season. And yeah, I mean, it's pretty I mean, that's pretty solid when a Derby. Anyone there isn't star as well. But no, I'm not going to I think you may have lost. He didn't finish first in as many races as he started. He did get a big get upset a couple of times and I just don't think he did enough. I'll tell you one race though that I do find compelling is the three year old silly race. Now there's a race where when they release those eclipse awards, the ballots, they show all others getting votes. So like the 30 year old male you'll have a few others besides the ones we've already mentioned in hot rod Charlie. But like three year old Philly, I mean, you could have a list that could be 1215 deep. And that's going to include horses that are getting votes for second and third perhaps too. But I mean, you're going to give a lot a lot of options in there. I have one more for both of you guys, Vance and James. First of all, when are the ballots do in January? Could theoretically? I think it's usually just like a day or two after the turn of the year. Okay, so could theoretically if flight line destroys the field and the Malibu, people vote for him to be three year old champion? Absolutely. No, no. I mean, wow. How about that for a complete opposite? No, no, people could vote for him. He would have no chance of winning, but.
"derby trail" Discussed on The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast
"I'll get another one in, but looking forward to it and yes, looking forward to pretty solid weekend there as well at least a Saturday card looks good. It was funny on yesterday's show. And obviously the race will be over, by the time we publish it, but the Thursday kind of quote unquote feature. There's I think it's like Dennis's moment, bourbon war, hozier. It's kind of a lot of like Derby trail. Also, from, I mean, hosers this year, but the other ones are all from years past. It's so funny how those names, you know, I always talk about the idea of a lot of times horses on the Derby trail or after the get over bet just because everybody knows them. And they think because they were there they must be really good. Like Dennis's moment takes money still to this day every start. He hasn't done a thing since the Iroquois. Yeah, I was actually quoted as saying quite the race when I saw this. But it's just so interesting courses that a lot of them that were expected to be really good. Obviously, Dennis's moment was really good, beginning of his first career, but yeah and then you have even shoplifted a highly regarded order that hasn't won in some time and you mentioned hosier bourbon wore it. It's quite an interesting race. I'm hoping to maybe catch a price in there as I don't trust either of the favorites, but time will tell in those that listen to this will know how it went for me. I know that is the one weird thing about talking about like the Thursday the Thursday things for our Friday show. I mean, obviously, you know, I always say there's so many advantages of podcasts, right? Like I could call you and you'd be like, hey, what time do you want to drink? Hey, I'm about to get out keen. Let's do it right now. You know, so we can we can do it whenever, but the negative, of course, is there's that little bit of delay between the taping and publishing. And that's why I always do the kind of the wrap up later in the day, as I'm about to publish because just in case something else comes out, you know, like yesterday, I finished taping. I start editing and halfway through the edit I see Mario Pinot wins of 7000th race and it's like not one of those things I would do with the show over for, but like, you know, you'd like to give it a mention and it was probably the biggest news thing yesterday. I mean, you know, I feel like jockey achievements sometimes they get a little overlooked, but I mean, him and Paris utes and those guys are still plugging away with 7000 wins. That's crazy. I did the math on that one time. You would have to win a race every day every day for 20 years to win 7000 races like it's nuts. It's crazy these guys. I mean, as if they the job as a jockey on a third red resource is tough enough at 20s and into your 30s, but do it at their age. I see John court ride here very similar doesn't quite have as many victories, but road here at Churchill and it may be a little bit of higher level than those guys. But all of it is just so amazing that these guys are still doing it. I mean, the amount of strength it takes, the hand, I just, you know, I'm not close to the range yet and semi close. But not close, but and I can't even imagine doing it at my age. It's amazing. Can I tell you my favorite John court story ship? Sure. I had a buddy that was a jockey agent. He had always been kind of friendly with John court and John said, hey, can I stop by your house tonight? I want to talk to you about something. And my buddy text me is like Jon quartz coming over at 7 o'clock. He's like, because he's always had kind of meddling, you know, middle of the road riders. And, you know, and at courts, you know, well, this is several years ago, but he's still well established contemporary guy, you know. So he's already dressed as nice and he's gonna come over and ask me to take his book and gets over there and court was selling some kind of product that he got into with Ramon Dominguez. He was trying to sell. He said he sit there listening to the sales pitch just like cursing himself inside. Like, why did I why did I ever? It was exactly that kind of thing. He was a pyramid. He was just distraught. He's like, no, I thought. I thought this was my big break. It's funny, 'cause I once got a call from a potential hiring person and it was like they called during the job search part of things to talk about something totally unrelated to it. I've never been like, wait, what? No, you can't do that to me. I thought this was I thought this was the call. But I know they're not thinking that way. No. Yeah. I always get every time I every time I hear yeah, every time yeah, I'll put my buddy is totally George Costanza in that moment. You know, they're gonna come up with a good offer. I mean, the Yankees general manager job and then Steinbrenner comes over. He's like, you know, judge, I really want you to be in charge of peanut sales. You know? Something to that off. Yes, exactly. Oh, man. What's coming up on the weekend of a sports? I know, I know Kentucky I talked to James A. little bit about it, but I know the a little bit of a let down for them. It seemed like the whole state was kind of riding high on UK, which is weird for it not to be basketball. Yeah, I'm happy with it being football. Not a UK hater in general, but not a fan of that program in terms of basketball. So yeah, I was pulling for them and I don't think it's any disgrace losing too. I don't follow college football quite as much as I used to or close to it, but my feel from asking people that I trust is Georgia's a legitimate top team in the country, a major contender. They went in there and I think they watched the game. I think they're a little bit deficient on offense, but to get to this point, the coaching staff and the program have a lot to be proud of and hopefully they can continue out the year and have great success. I think going on defeated or anything like that was a little bit wishful. Thinking, but yeah, people seem excited, which is always cool to be around. We're getting close to the, of course, the end of keenland and the start of the November Churchill meat and obviously it was announced maxfield going to the Clark kind of I suppose a good deal for you guys to have kind of a marquee name for the grade one. I mean, is it kind of the last older horse grade one of the year I'm trying to think of what I mean, I think of the Malibu but that's not an older horse race. Yeah, I think.
"derby trail" Discussed on At The Races With Steve Byk
"She had either the best in show at westminster a decade ago or so or at least the best group. And so we've hit on. We've had on this before. This is not a departure. I'm good. I'm good with it then. Well that's been breed. This is the for this. Yeah finding from this time. Yeah this this is. This is as big. We talk about westminster. Because i'm very frequently aghast and frustrated with with What seems like preferential judging Toward a certain set of breeds. And i'm i'm I'm a big visa guy and the visas Never get you never get the attention. They deserve. Well that's interesting because going into this. I'd never watched the show in my life but because it was misstatements. Dog i watch it and i. It was It seemed long to me. But i was gonna. Commentators would be like little andy to you know preview in the dogs and nobody was mentioning sabi. Shopping for abetting race was would have been thirty. Two one so not only. Did she win. She wanted a price I i had i had seen. I knew that i knew that was obvi- was heading into the you know into the finals but Into the into the best in show round but we fell asleep if we watch it a watched it. I've consistently for years. It used to be it used to be a huge thing on my website at derby trail. There was a a number of of fads that there was like ongoing commentary the two nights of of westminster. And it's something. I'd love to see when it when it gets back to the garden this year. It was up at a. It was up at a State up on in westchester. Exactly exactly but normally at the garden. Yes yes well like the you know. Like the horse show was at the garden for years and So the the what. Sorry that i did not get to to swing by the the box and nc but that was a very nice Nice addition to the saratoga atmosphere. When you're the only one in the box that doesn't have a picture with Rights i guess to flooding all right bell. This was great and Safe trips for everybody today In the first. Jonathan sheppard and the The eighth overall the second of the great ones. It's been it's already been a nice season for the jumpers at the the spa and colonial the running parallel as well as we head toward the fall and everything that leads towards Far hills and we'll start to look forward After these next couple of weeks thanks things coming. Have a safe trip. The appreciate bill. Gallo and The the shepherd today about you know you look at this and Just realized they just got a tax from Capital oh tv. Let me open up the What do you call it. The what is that thing the The zoom we open up Let me open up the zoom and give everybody the today's play of the day and Here we go zoom meeting all right And we're a little bit you know it's a little bit of a difficult Situation because of the The off the turf Got three things going on at once. clancy's tech to texting may and let me let brian.
"derby trail" Discussed on At The Races With Steve Byk
"Did derby trail become a thing. Well i started it. I started it Essentially during two thousand and two on. Yahoo i think was the i think i might have established it in like november They've they've taken down those clubs. Yahoo has so it's gone But i suppose i suppose the the the archival side of of the internet i i sit could probably help with us. but i spent. Let's see two thousand and three was really when it started a role and then I started the.
"derby trail" Discussed on At The Races With Steve Byk
"That craig. Craig little little media shy. Not everybody not. Everybody wants the microphone shoved in their face. I understand that. And dave work david work tomorrow and dave dave is going to not only give us almo- almost halfway were were will be virtually at halfway on sunday. We'll be through nineteen days of of the forty day mate and the Upcoming jockey club. Roundtable dave has got a featured segment and an presentation and essentially. He's he's going to do a jockey club round table for for all of us for the other half for the rest for the rest of us. You know those of us that actually play the game and involved the way we are the money through the windows and breeding and buying and selling and owning and retraining after their everybody else. So dave Dave got a couple of focuses. I think That i think you'll find interesting and part of it part of his presentation. Big part of it is going to be about in of the wagering landscapes future which should be which should be interesting and a kind of a peek behind the curtain. Kind of conversation and then dave invites everybody's questions if you want to You could. you can email me questions. If you've got anything you to ask. Dave on. I mean any. He'll take questions on any topic. And i'll put this up on twitter. Actually we'll do this like two or three different ways Put it up on twitter and you can send questions you can email them. Take the easy address. Steve vic one five seven at g mail and that's probably the easiest the back one five seven at g mail. Anything like Dave o'rourke to address. And dave did they by you. Know specifically is going to be focused on the gaming side of things but he's open to any question and One of the real qualities that they've award is brought to the the association is it'll kind of a a an open book More or less immediately. He's not a he's not a ceo type. You know that that's You know hardy. Or or above the fray. I mean and then you know just kind of hands on. He's he's you know he's like any he really is like any manager. You work with either. The comes from the finance department. Just a just a kind of a kind of a down to earth guy that Ended up being thrust in then was the was the absolute logical replacement When chris gabe was let go dismissed and he's brought a kind of real this kind of a placid as opposed to the. You know the mayhem Scenarios that that have gone on times got a very. He's got a very soft touch on the on the wheel so Anything you want anything. You're curious about for irish future. And and and for the particularly the gambling landscape sports betting and nyerere's role in it Anything all right steve. Bitcoin fifty seven You could be subject to a question questions for questions for dave there. You go questions for dave right. Send him on twitter. However you want all right. I would i would. I would say case. I i i was gonna give the eight hundred number But the problem with that. Is it rings in the studio. There's no way for casey to know if it's somebody wanting to record a question or if it's somebody calling to you know to book studio space so i don't wanna obligate casey with that all right. Yeah i suppose. I suppose you know after midnight. Maybe between between midnight and six. Am i guess you could leave him. I don't know they do get delivered. I they do the voicemails. It's it's pretty cool. Voicemails get sorted delivered right to the inbox my inbox. It's pretty amazing. it's funny. There's there's things that have gotten way more expensive in the world and and in life one thing that hasn't is is eight hundred service when we started it literally. What whatever it is. Fifteen years ago the eight hundred service was like a hundred a hundred and something dollars a month Some months it might have been one hundred and fifty dollars and depending on usage and all that now it's like twenty nine ninety five a month and it's you know unlimited. There's no the people in them. That doesn't matter how many people call those matter. How and the don't a machine does digitally it delivers them. It's crazy one thing that's improved. You know it hasn't improved. I say this year this for me. This here's my annual message. Everything in life has gotten better and the quality's increased except for staplers that that's my stapler. Yeah casey said phone lines going digital lowered. The cost exactly. That's all right. I i'm show is going to start here any minute. I i promise. See this this is where this is where having like two or three other people having like a morning zoo Atmosphere my might health. I don't know if it would help or hurt Well we're going to hear from bill gallo to Want bill to bill. Recap i want to. I haven't talked to bill about the the kaiser the other day. We'll get his Impressions but the two races at colonial get a recap of that and of course today card starts today with a second level allowance going to the two miles on the sixteenth over the national fences. They will see what we'll see what What bills thoughts are lice. Mix keri got a pair in here and you've got a five to two favourite ritzy. Ap for neil morse and jack fischer tonight's I haven't i will be you know what i will put up Our man tom hermit. Tom does it right up for us at at derby trail. And i'll be sure to put that over on. I'll put it on our website as well ritzy. Ap in it's funny the ritzy ap you'll remember the and You know now has had the two races over the jumps and was one of the maiden winters at colonial going back to opening weekend opening day there so gets to try second level and it only took them two tries to break and he was second actually in his first ride so the jackson had a hand in that then that one he He was nice enough horse. He was a he was a state brunner during his career. He's now seven source sean. Clancy's got the that lemonade thursday. I mentioned jack. Fischer there's River dis entrant is an interesting group. Tot wyatt without destination who was a winner. First time north. America leslie young. Who's having a a good summer. She's got a perfect cappuccino perfect soul seven-year-old the mississippi bread and was also a came to the. Us was a the state runner so nice field. Very nice field. I'm anxious to talk to bill. I told you that pete's going to join us. We'll get to said in our to sire. Watch pettit refocused brought to you by hill. and dale. and we'll talk to sid particularly about bernardini's legacy. I want said riff on some of the things we we touched on with with charlie boden on monday fan i reached out to. I should extend double Sympathies to time albatros newtown really. Tom begged off of visit Es es if maybe next week Forget a chance to talk to him. And i understand You know in addition to hearing the news of a bernardini The barn lost via over last weekend as well so i i can understand. Tom just was not was not up to a disguised. I don't blame them. I completely understand. So we'll we'll catch up with tom though and will be regaled by the exploits it because he he took a lot of bride and a lot of pleasure in the success of bernardini without a doubt we enjoyed at the time we'd we had found conversations about so. Yeah we got seth that we got buildouts. And oh Brad cox brad cox this morning too. I wanna i wanna get Some brad cox thoughts about his nice wins over the weekend. So there's your. There's your lineup. Right i i'm going to. I'm going to start to rely on on the on the on the lineup to To.
"derby trail" Discussed on The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast
"Soya year points in my book for that one. Welcome to the show. Paul how are you. I'm doing great jason. thanks for having. You're you're you're a spokane guy right. I i lived in spokane for all of six months. Yeah basically All my formative years basically from first grade on Within the spokane area dad's military so station fairchild moved in spokane and was there most of my life until about six years ago. So were you. Obviously you moved down to las. Vegas was vegas like always kind of a dream for you. Move or to kind of stumble into it. No it was definitely a a dream to get your at some point. I i part of my adult life After college was working at team sports and Minor league baseball junior hockey Eventually led me to a year at churchill downs and then also year in fresno california But with always travels. I was made no way back to spoke in and it was kinda just ready to tackle on tackle something new and biggest kinda clean canvas. You know if you're flexible. I remember. I stayed down there for for a winter one year. I remember everybody i met. That was not from there. Like oh what made you move to vegas. It was almost without fail. Kinda wanted to start over like it seems like everybody had that same answer. It's a place that has you know nobody knows anybody. So you almost not that. I was hiding for many of my friends or family and spokane but it is truly a clean slate and it's chance to It's unique job market. And if you will in to step outside of the traditional eight to five monday through friday gig. There's a lot of options here. So you mentioned churchill downs. I kinda wanted to start with your your past horse racing and kind of how you got into becoming a fan or horse player. Yeah you know. I started in the early two thousand Two thousand four years. Smarty jones is run I was always intrigued by by. Daddy started sports betting a few years before that. I was still in college and you know. I didn't know anything about horse racing at that time. And then just the game. I gravitated to it. I love the aspects of several different tracks running on you know multiple days throughout the week. And i just kind of dove into it. I started hanging out on. Message boards Watching at the time. Tv hr tv As much as i could Try to you know. I made all the mistakes that are novice better made tried to listen to those that seem to be winners and Really kind of wanted to jump into the community. And it's it's been strong ever since i met a ton of great people you even from those days on the message boards. You know you're in another city. And i am here to you. Go have a coffee or a meal and it's You know it's it's been a passion. Ever since you know i i. I've talked about the message boards in the past those. Were you know three or four zero five or six zero seven in there. It was like track champion. Pace advantage of pace evangi think is still going but Derby trail one thoroughbred champions was one man. I i swear. I was on all the del mar. One used to be the dumber when used to have the craziest stuff like people would go off on there. That was that was the one. That got me hooked. I can still picture myself funny story and i hope he's okay with me. Tell gretz The the first time i met Churchill downs track announcer travis stone. Two thousand eight I had just moved to churchill to take a job in the group sales department. And i was. They put me up at a hotel just not far from the track and My laptop was Actually i don't even know if i had a laptop in but i had some time to kill so i went down to the business center at the Hotel and i was checking some things on the computer. And i walked onto the del mar fan forum for like a brief ten minutes. And there's this gentleman behind me and he said is that. Is that the bill. Maher fan for next radio app travis stone. He was in town If you remember that audition on yet is the audition. Each guest track announcer had one week of in his week. And so we we met then. kinda communicated throughout the week and then on sunday. The last day of that week went out to dinner With him and then a couple of other people from the Fan forum and I haven't seen him since but it was. It was amazing. How a little horse rates message board led to that meeting. And i felt kind of funny that i went down to business centered to see what's going on on the chat room. I think three of the five guys. That auditioned eventually became the announcer churchill. Downs because mark johnson wanted larry got the job five years later and there was only for year then travis scott and so so ronin. Bobby newman still got a stake. Their claim my favorite memory from that was Besides me travis with the the week. That michael ronan did. He was a wednesday or thursday cart. Julian may peru one. Senator seven races and Mental rhonda's call was something to the effect of. Is this the only name i'm gonna happen. Learn this week kind of remember where i standing. I heard that college is classic. The other thing is the thing i remember about. That too is rona got real sick. I i think one on one of the days. I'm almost positive that was the case. I think he was really ill. And his his voice was giving him grief but he kinda of battled through it and then they think if the chapter mark johnson so actually i thought after that and the seven wind day and everything i thought i thought i thought it was going be rounded to get it but Not so much how much you know..
"derby trail" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network
"Or blood. Second occur at work their consultants She just did a post on helium. Tha excellent one. And if you go to a twitter account at trier watch You'll keep posted over there but Very big win Dealing with his sired. I stakes winner last year to that was on the all weather in canada. I think it was the display But now he's obviously you know. Transferred to dirt and francis talks about the stallion because he was primarily a turf runner. But you know once again it. Just shows you that you're kind of distorted obviously. Apn standard kleber. He's one of their morning expensive stallions canal from his first crop. And there's that first crossing again right He has a A great to tampa bay everywhere and horse you know. I'm the derby trail for Dj stable the greens. So that's You know it's a nice Feather in the cap of ironic. You know we talked to sug- Last week and after obviously after The greatest honor win and as it happened. I mean we didn't get into this but We just happened. That you know the point of entry Data link Ironic is the you know the the the string of Of late career older horses mature horses that made their made their bones as it with show again and went onto went onto stallion careers. And it you know. Obviously when they come out of that you know out of out of the shook factory They come with a you. Know with a certain pedigree advantages talk a little bit about about his his pedigree in general. I mean he's got it outstanding pedigree. He's one.
"derby trail" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW
"Had Senator Damon's fair. I'm I'm like my show about a week or so ago and he's really feeling positive about this type of thing went back. I think they rewrote the legislation. So the family foundation can't say. See, that's not their mutual way. Drink. The casinos were keeping all that money. No, that's not what they want to do. They want to just prove yes, it's para mutual. You think you're betting against the guy sitting next year, and we're not gobbling up the money. And so I just from talking to Senator Fair, He seemed to me very positive that and the main thing is is Governor. Bashir was not in favor of this a year ago. How he is because he sees the impact that let's just say Colvin has left his coffers with unemployment and business is shutting down. He's like he's looking around the state going Oh, my revenue sources are drying up. Where can I go? Oh, I'll support the horse racing industry. I'll help people on fire, Miss people in the race track all the goods and services. Uh, makes sense to me, you know, so so now they got the sheer on the side of it, and I got a feeling when the governors back in it, it's got to give it a little push in the right direction. All right, John. Always a pleasure, buddy. Any time guys were around the Derby trail. Don't forget me around the first Saturday in May, All right, love running into you at the track. John Engelhard. He's got to me took the one of my favorite pictures of me and my sons and Deb at Keeneland. It's a beautiful day. And of course, we had our kids the racetrack with they try not dead and eight big hats on stuff. Nah, but for a change. I was I wasn't dressed up, but at least I didn't look like I do right now. I've ever seen.
"derby trail" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN
"Paul's mentioning this this movie. The Devil wears Prada that it was out right around the time The story is going on, and we bought a horse. Who was sired by al Prato, who is a very well known stallion. Product was the son of Sadler's Wells. And the mayor. Was the daughter of horse from the nineties of the zeroes named Devil is due. So the horse it was Al Prato was the stallion and The damn sire. In other words, the grandfather on the mother's side was devil. His due and head came up with this name for the horse. Devil wears Prada. Oh, I just saw that is the greatest they've ever because that movie Devil wears Prada was coming out and they're in both the mother and the fight. I just thought it was the greatest name. Horse. As I recall, the horse turned out to be a nothing and did Zero. It's as I say that maybe that's what I'm gonna do on Lee boring stories all day. Did you think that story was interesting? What Course, Davis for three hours. A lot of the horses that we buy have already runs. You can change the name. I mean. And there have been some that are just stupid. If I just get one that isn't a terrible if we already bought the horse. I'm happy if it's just above the level of terrible like Governor Morris, our three year old from last year, who is now retired. That was the horse we had in the Derby trail. Didn't quite get there, but had a very good two year old campaign was a real good horse, but a perfect name for this particular year Because Governor Morris was the guy that drafted the preamble of the Constitution. Most people don't know that. But he Wasit and see his Cyrus Constitution in one of our partners had come up with this name so that when you had to explain, but at least in explaining it, it's kind of Cool and rather clever. Should I get on with the program now, or should I just continue to prattle here?.
Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets
"I don't know how much derby influence this feels can have. But I'll tell you what I think. There are some really nice horses in here. That WanNa do this one turn mile and see if maybe one of them can Can Get the job done and move forward on that Derby trailing. Yeah Yeah I think it's a pretty nice field You know may not be an contain any derby contenders like you said but you know. I certainly think they're handful in here. Who are going to make this an entertaining an interesting race. The one I could see four or five of them winning. It's one where he'd probably end up having a spread but there were of them that I was kind of interested in You know what a horse that. I'm pretty fond of the Montauk traffic. I like young horses. Who are able to overcome adversity. And that's exactly what. This horse did First Time that was just Don't know what happened. She dwelt early and he did. And that was the end of it from the rail in the slop at Laurel you toss that race and and I mean he did exactly what you want a prospect to stretching out prospect to do he was able to sit able to make a run and pass runners and he was impressive in both of his next two wins the maiden when Downstairs in the and the Wingfield win. Also at seven eighths Settled inside didn't have a problem kicked out and And was able to run away from his competition. So I I don't think a mile Distance will be much of a problem for him. I just don't know how much upside he really has. You know. He's a gritty horse and He's one that I wanNA use but the one who I'M GONNA put on top of the three wars stop or I love the way that he improved. First Time in Blaker is just second time on dirt last time here at the The Mile trip here and act when I turned in a big beyer speed figure went right to the front And just kept on going. I think he is one that I want to keep an eye on moving forward. I think he'll be a decent prospect stretching out to to turn on the on the dirt and I'm GONNA give shops go right from his maiden win to Earning grade three status here in the In the Gotha. Yeah. I'm definitely. He's my topic as well. I'm a big fan of wall stopper. I liked what I saw from him. First Time Out Less time out rather when he got the meeting win. First Time blinkers. I should say now. That was a big effort. Thought Mischievous Alex might have some distance limitations. But it's hard to argue. How good he's been in his last two starts. Since his trainer John Service added the blinkers to his repertoire. I don't think six does without a chance from an ever Keough. Sauna current one turn mile. Got The goose ca pedigree on the bottom. I don't know how far this was gonna WanNa go with the one turn. Mile shouldn't be a problem and Necker island Friday he won going a mile in the slop. At Churchill downs just stopped got out running swell last time. The miles should be more to his Liking as he's already won distance and we'll see him. I under neath. I think it's wide open. I think war stopper shows up. They're all running the second money. I'm a big fan of his An of all these sources. I think him He's probably the one most likely to move on the Derby Trail. Regardless of what happens tomorrow. He can get beat tomorrow and maybe still move forward. I'd like to see him win But if he got beat I'd still think he can be contender. Might be the only one more stop for both of us in the grade. Three three hundred thousand dollar.
San Felipe, Santa Anita Handicap
"All right here we go. We're back on racing down today. Episode Number Fifty. We got a lot of stuff to get to today. Three fifty three fifty point preparations on the docket for this week. In one hundred Fifty Kentucky Derby points up for grabs three more horses will be on their way to Churchill. Downs weekend. There's also a bunch of other stakes around the country this weekend most notably the grade. Santa Anita Handicap. So we'll get to all those book. I we gotta get to the action from this past weekend in Saudi Arabia and the conversation is coming up at. I've seen it come up in multiple different areas is about the winner of the Saudi. Maximum Security You know that is probably the most the Kentucky Derby incident and you know. I'M NOT GONNA come on here and you know say that the Saudi Cup has anything to do with the decision that was made at Churchill. Downs or anything like that or argue that the disqualification now because he's one twenty million dollars. Saudi Cup shouldn't happen I I am not gonNA come on here. Make that argument I just off you know really looking at it. It's unfortunate that happened because maximum security is really just such a tough horse. And you know there's not enough good things you can say about maximum security and you know that raise really showed that maximum security is one of the best horses in the world and obviously right now. The leader of the pack in the United States for older horse. Right now and be really cool to see this horse competing for your old year and you know depending on where he goes from here. Obviously you know. They already mentioned that. He's not going to Dubai. But just where MAC security goes from. Here I'm excited to see that. And what he has in store you know. I'm sure Eric will have some of his things. Say about maximum security. But that's something not lost museum. Fortunate -ness of the disqualification at the Kentucky Derby. Because you know this is a really really fantastic horse for sure. I mean he's slowly and steadily starting to shed that tag of being the Horse Sector disqualified from the Kentucky Derby even though it will always remember that way. If you were to continue what you did last weekend easily going to be more remembered as one of the better horses heading into this decade in this early part of the century the obviously he's now ten million dollars in earnings in at this stage career. It's only getting go go higher. It'll be interesting to see where he gets brought back. I met in. Saratoga is kind of the midseason point. Four the connections there But honestly I think he's already cemented. His legacy added great horse. Just you know like cigar did way back when of when he won the inaugural Dubai World Cup. Maximum security is going to be able to say the same thing for the Saudi Cup where he'd be a really good group of Horses. I might add Definitely was not lighten any sense I think every horse for the most part Ranta form in the Saudi Cub ibew. Probably the biggest surprise people contend but definitely not be By a quarter of a lengthy Iran. Huge She's also in so many other horses from the race but maximum security Kind of a rough trip was definitely a target especially for teas on Mutual Gustavo. Louisa has had to get created down the stretch. But you work down in that. Horses has tons and tons of heart. I don't really know I've seen a horse. Who Does Not WanNa let him worse by like maximum security does. It's quite impressive. How this works bears down to every time he races and I just think I I I think we all know. He's in pre twenty twenty if he stays healthy yeah. That was another thing that I didn't quite get that opening. Bid Is the fact that you know. Maximum security did all that won the race while Iran Ortiz was basically writing interference. I made the comment to Eric Baxter. Excuse jokers still out there kind of looked like a NASCAR and now you can say all you want about. How you know. Probably wasn't the best rider. You didn't have good character of Iraqis. I thought it was a good strategy on his part to do what he could to be. Maximum security obviously probably definitely in this country If he would probably would have been disqualified but I thought it was good on his part to do his best to win. Win The race. And try to keep maximum-security away because I don't think I if you run that race normally maximum-security just goes by with the rules over there. They run category One rules which unlike in America the disqualification rules are if you preventing a worse from running their best race. You get disqualified. There is. That's worse when when you run interference or not so if mutual Gustavo Iraqis does dat but the horse wins by Lincoln half. It's not a problem. Give what was within the rules so it was a good ride? Bhai Iran It was definitely a little malicious. I certainly Jason Service not lease with IRA. Teaser was on the first things. He made a comment about after the race. In the in an interview shortly after On national television I might add But at the same time that's I mean the races aren't one you know like a track meet where you can necessarily go between the lane. This horse racing and that kind of stuff can fly to an extent maybe a little over the edge. I think especially when acting security job inside. I really started to hurt an inside but I was happy that I read never intentionally drew contact although he was doing some blocking like you said NASCAR ask He never intended to make contact which I think was probably the safest thing and when he when he knew the horses about to go by he kind of backed off on trying to get through so are running more interference so while maybe was maybe a little militias It definitely was good race riding on his part all right so that. That's it for this stuff with the Saudi Cup Stripping back over Cross sees out before we get to the Kentucky Derby and Kentucky Oaks preparations that you want to highlight a Horse Zulu al folk who is turning into his own. You know I will highlight at about this point last year. This is were bricks and more bricks and mortar was not not saying that Zulu Alpha is going to be the next bricks mortar. Or anything like that. But you know he could do similar things to where it's very likely he's going to do similar things to what bricks and mortar didn't very likely that this is probably the top tier force in the United States. This year. You know at this point last year. Bricks and mortar was a great one Winnipeg World Cup turf and and then he had a great to race. I believe it was either at fairgrounds are one of the tracks Louisiana so to this point Zulu Alpha grade one winner Pegasus World Cup turf now. He's agreed to winner The Mac Ramadan down at Gulfstream. This past weekend. I think Zulu Alpha's in for a really strong really really strong two thousand twenty Keep your eye on him. Come for race like the turf classic the Kentucky Derby Undercard. That's where I would him go but not saying Zulu Alpha is an expert in order. But I'm not saying that he isn't either into Rena. Bricks and mortar was able to have consistent success last year is because all the worst is behind him weren't consistent. I mentioned on the show last week. That Group of forces that Zulu Alpa was facing. He actually used to be a part of that group they never were able to consistently put together strong back. That rates it's bricks. Mortar took it to a new level. Easily able to string together back Multiple consecutive good races in a row. And that's what God in his horse of the year title. And if these keep going the weather going is do. The wealth is going to be able to do the same thing last year Even though I was Kinda surprised after neier introduced the Turks Trinity Series that no horse really emerged from that as premier career force and to be chair. I mean we see that with Dirt horses as well on the on the Derby trail. They don't always shape out after the triple crown trail to be good and that kind of creates inconsistencies in the handicapped division like we saw maybe back Towards the end of maybe before the end of two thousand seventeen that you're got stronger as it went on but nevertheless China look into Alpa. Maybe like an expert in order. I wouldn't be surprised because once again the turf division isn't strong and If I'm going to throw one out there vitality is probably the best grass three year old male out there And I know. The connections are keen. Distract him out so he could be wanted content we know. He has loads talent. So at this point Zulu Alpha is primed at least stay home maleter force because so far. There are no challengers within a mile oven.
Racing Without Gambling
"I'm guessing you've heard of the Kentucky Derby Abi to this race that's run usually early in May we haven't yet talked about the Kentucky Derby this year but that's about to change as we're finally starting to get into rounds of prep races that will winnow the field down to twenty for the run for the roses on May the second so to help us do that. We bring in voice. We haven't heard on this show for too long and and that's Jonathan Listener who writes for horse racing nation. Welcome back Jonathan. So before we get into a few specific horses. WHO's impressed you the most so far on the triple triple crown trail? I think Dennis moment to start the list. Dentists moment strikes to lead right at the top of the stretch at Delta. Two lanes lead our three lately for the final final furlong. Dennis this moment with five length lead scabbard with clear sailing up the second but Dennis moment kicks off the road at the Kentucky Derby in a big way. He barely moved a muscle. That we we have it. RESTRAINING NATION DOT COM user generated Kentucky Derby contender rankings and despite his trouble that experience career dentist moment has not left that number. One spot. You talking about a grade three winner. Who was going to be the favourite the Breeders Cup Juvenile L. Stumbles out of the gate? You know he could be undefeated if you look back at his debut he lost his jockey was really no fault zone so he has the two losses and between between them. He's sandwich to really really nice. Looking victories including his debut at Ellis Park they won by like nineteen and a quarter lengths. I think it was so there's a lot of potential there and he's one that I feel like every once in a while you hear about a derby prospect before they make their debut and then we kind of latch onto them I wanna say it was probably roadster roadster last year because Baffert said he could be his next justify American Farrow and obviously it didn't work out there but they'll Romans has talked up Dennis's moment since before he he ran a race. And so we're we're kind of going to the same thing here As far as a couple of other runners eight rings also out of the Breeder's cup juvenile. He's a really interesting. One didn't really run his race. You know the last time we saw him but I think the way he's going to be handled this season. You have to keep paying attention trained by Bob Baffert. He's he's GonNa run him in the rebel at Oaklawn. And then the Arkansas Derby potentially there as well and then another one that you know kind of on the fence about that you know. He's got a lot of towns. Is Max `field scratched from the Breeders Cup Juvenile. He had a little bit of an issue. There it turns out we found out a couple of weeks after that that he had had a minor surgery for a bone chip. But he's not even in serious training now. Well he's he's he's apparently galloping No works yet and so I think they'll have to do the to A. Ah kind of schedule where you hope to get race out of them and then you have a more serious race which I would expect to be something like the blue grass stakes if everything works out well and he's undeniable town. I'm and I think he's GonNa win a major race somewhere down the road. I don't know if it's going to be the Kentucky Derby and then the other one I feel like it's gotten all the conversation is independence hall at at Independence Hall now makes his move. Independence Hall is the leader getting away to lead by two prints of Pharaohs has moved up on the outside. It's Bourbon Bay Independence All L. linked and a half as they come for the quarto prints of Pharaohs on the outside Bourbon Bay. It is independence hall with the lead and now a furlong to the finish Jose Ortiz showing them the whip now goes to work on independence hall. WHO has a three likely? Just a sixteen to the finish at. It's the constitution called Independence Hall. Tailwind Jerome by four Knights won the national stakes by open links came back and won the jerome. It was a little more workmanlike. But he's going to go. Oh into the new year here as another one of the favorites and if I could talk about one more that has sort of attracted my attention a little bit. It's this ancient warrior horse. I don't know what his path is going to look like. He's Jerry Hall android or for trainee. And if you follow racing at all the last year or so. You'll know that. He's SORTA become embattled. Dan from the strike. Group's tracks out in California But I of all these horses that have won maiden races and we'll be going to the stakes. I want to watch that one closely. He's moved him over to Oakland Park. We should see him in an allowance. Race coming up at the beginning of February and then from then on he should be on the Derby trail else. That's one that that I definitely want to see more of well. You mentioned Bob Baffert. And it's tough to talk about the Kentucky Derby Trail Without Bob Baffert and he has a lot more than the one you mentioned. There's thousand words who ran a big race in the low sal futurity. I'm a Roger Federer Fan but you have to give it up for an doll who is also ambassador trainee. Who looked really really good? So I mean you know Bob Baffert certainly knows how to get horses to the Derby mean how many of these prospects aspects of pan out. I see a path for all of them. To be honest. You know and we also have mentioned authentic. It's still authentic coming to the three the eight ball. He's been in control throughout leads by a length and a half to uncaptured hero. It's all authentic as they pass the quarter pole and turned for home authentic and complete Khaliq Command turning it on. He's in front by sex with a furlong left to go. Zimba Warrior and Assault Coast as authentic is putting on a show. Here is a little green gene shifting about but long gone authentic strolls home in the sham. He'll win by about eight lakes green. It's Grafton stretch and just kept going there and another extremely impressive Horse Nidal I. I wonder about him a little bit. You know we've only seen him one time on Sunday and that six and a half for a long race he he looks like Dortmund Ortmann if you go back to two thousand fifteen big horse. That wasn't extremely fast out of the gate but once he got into stride he went straight to the pace and never really let up there. Yeah it's not not really the kind of horse you want to win the Derby but I think you could get to the Derby and then thousand words certainly has every reason to move forward his last race. I think they had probably a little bit the too much blinker on him and he ended up going head to head with that no door that ran in the Breeders Cup juvenile second. I think it's SORTA legitimize both of those horses that they ran so closely in the future. But I think thousand words is probably at least a couple of lengths better then a no door. He just probably didn't see him in the stretch until Flavian Kinda guided him out and it's like Oh with the blinker. The horse realized he had something to run against a win on. So I guess when you talk about horses that I'm looking at in the new year. Thousand Words is definitely on that shortlist list to Jonathan Listener of racing. Nation is with us here on the gate. We've talked a little bit about the Breeders Cup juvenile which was a topsy turvy race. You had three big horses that we've mentioned into all had their problems that day. We haven't talked about the horse. Who Wanted Storm the court for trainer Peter Martin and that would be a very popular win in the racing business? As you know what chance do you give storm the court to back up what he did in the juvenile. Oh probably not much not a lot of black type in the family. I'm not sure if there's any black type from Stanley I'd agree wise. And then you know he was obviously the beneficiary of other horses stumbles in that race You Know He. He goes gate to wire was not really pressed a whole lot and at the same time. I think they took the blinker. They put their blinkers on. I'm sorry and I have not a fan of lemon. That put blinkers was on a horse at that point in their career. I feel like you should be taken them off so that they can relax. Prepare to go a little bit longer. I think that race and the circumstances just all all came together for storm the court and allowed him to upset that race. It's forty five to one. Whatever he ended up that day I'm sort of in agreement? I think with everybody else that the the the better Derby Derby prospect was no door and second in that race going forward. I want to mention because these races have just happened. Enforceable label for Mark Cassie. Who is not missed? A beat after a son norm went out on his own. He had been his father's chief assistant and enforceable. Really good winning the Lecomte. But we haven't seen too many Lecompte winners. Go on to run well in the Kentucky Derby. Where do you put me as a tap it colt out of a dixie union in marriage? The breeding is good. I put him a really high on my list. As far as forces will be in the Derby but I would not put him on my list of forces that I think can win the Derby and I say that because of his running style you know if we go back to almost every year that the point system has been effect and obviously gets rid of those pure your sprinters. It's the horses that can put themselves near the front at the beginning of the race and keep that pace up and never be caught by closers that tend to win the Derby enforceable enforceable is one of those closers. It's inevitable that he's GONNA run into traffic problem you know. I almost hope he sneaks into the Derby and everybody overlooks. Because I feel like he's the kind of horse could come into the super factor. That's probably going to be a really common line of thought. Though I mean I'm thinking a few months out but the soup perfect You know in the era of a favorites winning the Derby is as remain because it's pretty high minimum of really profitable wager for people nonetheless so yeah for me. He's a super effective player. I I I think he's GonNa be okay as the distance is longer obviously is a full brother Mohammed and a half years day. There's a lot there in the pedigree just really impressive on paper and it was good to see him run as well as he did you know He. He broke his maiden at nine furlongs last summer at Saratoga and it looks like okay. Here's a real two year old and I you know he ran into you. Go into a little bit shorter and the breeder security at keeneland and Max field because two things came together and got him beat but he's definitely better horse than he showed that day and it was good to see him back it up the trump
Derby season breaks fast
"Many of the horses that are Derby hopefuls are getting ready to embark upon that road to Churchill downs. Chance at doing. Just that later today in the Macho Macho showman for our good friend. That's trainer Saffy. Joseph Junior who is with me now here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Saffy. Good morning it might Good how about that call chance it big big win. Last time out he was that was the first time going to turns. And obviously the right way the way you want to do it and hopefully they can have a repeat performance about today. Yeah what makes him so impressive to you saffy. If he just carries himself watch him breezing work and he just he has a different going. I don't know that this guy just almost like he votes oats and doesn't seem very rarely. Do we begin to blow even worked some quick times and you never really young to blow. It is a good thing means that uh normally you. You've got a lot more stuff. What of the past couple of months been like for him? He hasn't been out since that win. On September twenty eighth. So what did they been like for him. Yeah initially ever had decided to skip the British back off them. Then we're we had thought about going to the Jockey Club and he got AH virus. I missed it a long time so it changed I mean we wrote it to the race. Remedying the springboard mile but they had to quarantine and we wrong to that race with two Corinthian run homerun allowed to go. 'cause we wouldn't be able to come go stream so then. The next plan was the Moocher match marriage right now. Eastern forty cents seems to be in good form orm looks well and obviously coming off layoffs. I'm facing there's some there's some quality and also that's never know how tight you have them. What we think we got him? Yeah every year when we start seeing the newly turn three year olds make their their first start of the new season we hear that the adage that you know those couple of months from say September October to January can be huge in terms of the physical and the mental all development for these young horses. So compare what you see from chance it today on January fourth compared to what you saw back at the end of September definitely much more relaxed and his works before he wanted to go go now we. We've been giving them targets and he'll he'll sit back and he'll wait for the Q.. And you'll go times go. That's an attribute that he needs to. You'll need to how as a racist got software needs to relaxing and listening to the right around the right asking for that Cinco. Fleeing the writer wants to go so I think that's the biggest developmentally show before early in his career. He playful you'll go on and on but he's all business on the Tran. I think he's mature and more money to lead the biggest aspect in that sense learning to do things the right way and he's always been impressive. He's always he has not laterally talent raw. Tyler there's a lot of calendar he's learned to control yen. He's always been forwardly. Placed in in all of his career starts yes. I don't think he's been worse than third. And that was in his debut when he was Kinda shuffled back a little bit that day He likes to be up close to the pace. Is that what you expect from them again. Today today yeah I think just you just have the naturally high cruising speed that he doesn't need to be on the leader but he just he just naturally five he puts himself a good spot on today. Hopefully gets whoever in their cleanly and liquor is going putting needs to be post time for the Macho Macho Jomon Gulfstream four thirty eastern. It will no doubt go a little bit later than that. Probably low closer to five o'clock by the time they run it but Yeah a big big moment moment for chance. It and we'll see if he can maybe put himself on that Derby trail. Do you look at him right now. Saffy as a horse that is that is a legit Derby Derby contender or do you still have things that that you need to see from him. y'All ability I think he's one of the Best Ryozo there but it's easier. US hasn't done and he's going to have to prove each so for me. I always wanted to prove it before you could speculate but definitely derby driven at the moment. He has a tolerant. We think I think that's essentially a seems like there's no Allenton so I definitely think we're definitely Dermot dreaming but one step at a time and today they will give us a good indication of Iraq.
Jon White, Jeremy Plonk
"The John White Theme Good Morning Good Morning Steve What that song reminds me that after the holiday week of racing insane the need the last two yesterday one of the things I have to do today is change order boxes so it we did have holiday raising I really haven't talked much about yesterday of course the colon for McLaughlin and the Knickerbocker I needed did not have steak action but on Saturday and the staff the CAL distaff just grazed me Nick Alexander there is again can't say no and Giovanni Franko for Phil D'Amato and then Likud won the Nokia on Sunday Peter Miller do but really I think honestly the most important performance of the weekend it's Anthony's gotta be honore p very impressed of wind and of course anytime I see on spring of Hollywood story I immediately think Hollywood story in the U. R. and looks like Hollywood story multiple grade one winner has produced a very nice two year old here orig- alling by honor code a grandson of Eight the and the and boy you know I was extremely impressed with that debuted run sprinting boy you could just really see the tip of the iceberg there and they took their time with him didn't rush him back off and stretched out which it looked like was is GonNa be something that he would really like and I was really impressed by the fact that in his debut he was so far back early this time he came out of that gate and came out very nicely very professionally really and it looked heading into that clubhouse turn Smith really would've preferred not to even beyond the lead but he couldn't help but that honor ap just wasn't like he was dragging in there or anything but Smith wasn't going to restrain them to take after lead and for him to come home as nicely as he did I mean he just drew off so beautifully in the lane and gets a ninety one so he goes from a seventy-seven debut to a ninety one Steve Anderson and the racing form does such a good job Reporting that I once did here in southern California for the D. R. F. He pointed out that that was the fastest time twelve racers at the meeting one mile on the main track so far as ours the Rod Time One thirty seven point ninety four so you had mentioned text immediately after the race you thought would the Los Alamos dirty make cents Steve Anderson also reported that that that is exactly a race that they are contemplating for honor AP and they did say no Breeders Cup for AP so they are thinking of the Los Alameda teary just seemed to fit wonderfully from a timing standpoint and they're racist really been so good through the years as a springboard into three year old campaign so it looks like really bright future here for trainer John Sheriff as one of the best trainers I've ever been around and it looks like he's going to be really primed on the Derby trail here with honor. AP Well we talked last week to John and I I've actually I'm kind of glad that we connected weeks after my initial I think it was in September at the end the Dell Mark I reached out to John a couple of times and we just didn't connect and and so then then that morning last week these he responded he said sorry okay all right if you insist and who is tremendous and he's he's you know it's funny there's there's there's so many of the horsemen visits that always seem to resonate and John's a on that front shug how about Barclay tag last week too me Barkley I thought was really informative and insightful ban that was just fantastic and another you know to me positive sign coming away from this Andre p performance you know that was pretty highly regarded race and terms of prospects there's magician finished second for Richard Mandella and you look at it and say well yeah he got his clock cleaned getting beat by a little over five lengths batismal suggestion was over ten lengths in front of the third place finisher night race and as I say it was not considered a week race going into it so it's just further evidence Inste- to me that what we very well are dealing with here with this honor Api just he he's he's the kind the two year old to me that it's just so exciting yeah now this is what this is what we're after a you know once the summer and they start to they start to parade through we get to this juncture and it starts to get you know starts to get interesting we from standpoint John I I one other thing I think I I'll slip any or as I look at yesterday's results the the natural the hat trick for Doug O.`Neil yesterday the fifth sixth and seventh race and for those that heard me last week I think on Friday I'll just keep reiterating that Doug O'Neil deserves the absolute two hundred percent support and appreciation of the industry a he more than any one individual from a from within the industry has been leading this you know these these proactive don't WanNa call them protests so much as considerations and rallies before big days at at del Mar and at Santa Anita and With the help of Oscar dilatory I I cannot congratulate and and voice enough support for what got is is doing and so for him to be rewarded On the Karma Front as as hammer famously refers uh-huh King and the Good Karma swinging around the Doug Right now also got a mention it looks like a step forward it a for a three year old Samantha Segel's Quality Road Philly that was bred by Martha Mohammed that's Road Ranger looking for sure in that race and you mentioned neil you know he's always been such a terrific ambassador for our game honestly you know you think of the controversy that was involved back in the day without having another in he handled all that I thought extremely well heading to the Belmont and Gee what a disappoint many and I really think I'll have another I had a fee after the Kentucky Derby I bet on him to win the Belmont stakes in a proposition in Vegas where they say will there be a triple crown winner yes or no and this was before the preakness but it was after the Derby and he was such a low lightly regarded horse he in fact he of course wasn't even the favourite in the preakness boaty meister was and then headed to the Belmont was the most lying favorite union rags who won the race but considering the final time and so forth I just really feel if I'll have another had had his chance if he would have won the Belmont but well never know that but like I say such a disappointment and both Doug O'Neill and already handled that with such class and You know I remember being up at Emerald downs in the early two thousands for the lawmakers Mile Pacific Northwest West major race and I was there to do the the Fox North West Telecast along with Joe with the and and others and I remember that Doug O'Neill was sending up a horse from southern California for the race by the name of Scott Hi Jack had actually he won the race broke the track record and Doug O'Neill actually gave me the two French shoes that skyjacked war in that race and but I remember the people at Emerald the in the publicity department especially saying do you know this Doug O'Neill from southern California said well yes of course I do they said what kind of guy is he I said believe me by the time he leaves here are you everyone here at Emerald will love this guy
At the Races With Nick Tammaro
"Churchill getting started would bind with they're the first really too big weekends they also course got the international later in the meet later in the fall and and that brings in some international shippers this woodbine mile just the mile either northern dancer the more you look at it. I thought was was was intriguing and there's plenty of other a lot of stars on the card including Holy Khaleda and pink Loyd. WHO's I I for a horse? That's one like twenty seven in a row. Nobody seems the talk about him or pay much attention to him. Bob Tillers streaking sprinter and here's a streaking sprinter victim Rio depends on where the sprint destination is. I think might Tapei at times but shop racing form a yes to the windows. Definitely Pink Floyd is is really sort of a marvel in terms of how he's performed well routinely I of course needed him to at least be third in this race last year in the contest and finished fifth so the pink floyd stop it will be nowhere near Wreck Stale Ontario and so his chances tomorrow we'll probably increase exponentially. He's in the early. They put the bold venture early on the card actually in fact when I went to the stakes together and put them up Derby Trail Oh. I didn't even look that that early on the card so I didn't even have to go back in fact I don't know if I did go back and put it up but there are a couple couple of very nice horses here including Carlin's honor the Jack Oxley Breezy York good old Yordan approaching half a million dollars for a chiefs would and Stewart Simon you know a lot of your a lot of your local players in the sprint scene but pink Cloyd is now twenty one twenty six and it really was late last year September October that he started to show some some frings signs of tiring and Kinda sputtered out at the end of the year could. Could he be beaten in here. I don't think so no it looks like he's he's back where he needs to be and I don't really know I guess other than Caroline's honor who's supposed to be particularly big threat to him in the spot so he he should get the job done. I mean it's always nice to see good. Horses do Well York than obviously was in much better form coming into this last year having run a good second pink Floyd Royd individual and and that was also during a period of time where pink floyd was having a really hard time getting out of the gate so he's a little ornery for a seven year old gelding and he had a little bit gate trouble really about four or five races in a row going into last year's bold venture he he's not he still not they really particularly the obedient or when it comes to getting out of the gate or being trained for it but he's definitely a little bit better spot with that right now so I think given that he's he's inform and should be sitting right off of the of the pace. If you worked in may be line to the front end. I think he should be okay before we talk about the Canadian the end the grade to which does start the cross country and will incorporate the pebbles and the nightcap at Belmont Nixon thoughts about last week at Belmont. We talked about this Jockey Club Derby and oaks and the Grand Prix. I talked to Andy on Tuesday. The Grand Prix was oddly contest than I thought but some some quick hits on opening the opening salvos at Belmont. I guess guess I'll try and keep it as charitable as possible. Given I took my shots at it last week but I think they played out largely. How we expected decide thought was a pretty impressive winner of the Jockey Club oaks overcoming? I think by all counsel was a pretty negative pace setup and winning is much the best running down Wonderman who I thought probably got a little bit more the run of the race and the American contingent as we expected in that race as well as the Jockey Club Derby were pretty much no shows and it could also be that the American continuing is pretty thin out by now. We'll talk about the pebbles and a little bit but the pebbles is going to be the ninth race for one hundred thousand dollars or more for three year olds fillies on turf going back to June sixth six and that's insane so the ranks of American horses that are ready to go a mile and three eighths early in September. We're really not very not very robust and and that proved out on the lady side and I thought Spanish mission I I actually thought he was totally out of position and thought that he was about to have a Jamie Spencer Special before he was able to overcome it and get the job done so a little bit. I know that the horse was capable of overcoming his writer. I I would imagine he he should be one of the better distant sources that we could potentially see over here next year given that he's going to be off now until the spring and there's just obviously connections that have problems shipping over the Grand Prix North American Jockey Club invitational brought to you by whatever most pretentious name of all time that was one of the most oddly run races I've ever seen first of all. I don't know how the hell everybody knew. Marconi was winning that race for fun and then to watch the riders of both realm and roaming union gather a hold of their horses so strongly almost as if they were waiting for Marconi to catch up and take the lead after he blew the break so that he could go one sixteen flat it was basically sort of the epitome of what we complain about left and right about American American dirt racing right now and you know in this day and age of sort of turf occasion of American racing where everybody points to turf races races are run like turf races. It's almost as if one horse makes the lead all the other guys say okay well. They're the pacesetter we're just GONNA go ahead and sit back and wait for them to come back to us and the majority of the time on the dirt that just doesn't happen even so shockingly Marconi was able to set a pedestrian pace and and went on with it and I I obviously would not have been a big fan of his at the price he went off often. We talked about how it looked like a bit more competitive race on paper the other todd pletcher trainee your to blame. I thought ran pretty well. He was able to stop the pace on the inside but you know I don't y horse like roaming union was in there if he wasn't GonNa GonNa contest the pace especially given that he's from connections like Michelle Navin who generally have a pretty decent idea how to win dirt racist so that was is a little bit of a head scratcher. you know look my personal opinion is that if there's any thought given to this turf triple. I really hope that same amount of money is committed to a dirt program and trying trying to incentivize horsemen to get there and run on dirt more frequently really try and build up the claiming ranks again because it's kind of embarrassing through the first three days of racing. I'm I'm sorry through the first three days of Racing Belmont there were seventy eight horses total entered to run on dirt and there are over seventy eight horses enter to run dirt in the first day at Churchill so I if the same number number of races and and that's that's not good. That's a big big problem that creates a big problem in the winter so that's my hope for it as it is. I guess we'll see probably a little bit better from Spanish mission in the Diese Lisa next year well we turn to Belmont today and into the weekend a couple of very good maiden races actually as part of that card and maybe we'll touch on them but let's let's look at the cross country pick five and it is comprised of of the three three of the stakes would bind the Canadian the mile and the northern dancer that you know you the top of your head. You wouldn't have thought it the three of them were as complex as actually I think they are and then the pebbles and the turf sprint claiming nightcap the eleventh at Belmont so let's start with the Canadian you know this is an interesting field the and really they'll competition. Idea should probably go off a pretty solid favorite. I don't really see how tactically you could make a real stand with her and she's a horseshoe. Obviously needs to lay back and make one run and you know those types generally at the mercy of the pace and this race does not look like it's going to have really any pace speak of so so she's going to have to overcome that now. I will say that you'll Rosario getting back on board to me feels like a very good thing. It does seem like she's just a little bit better horse when he's John Her but now the flip side of that is that we know Joel style. He's GonNa take her back and let her make one run so I mean they're they're going to. There's going to have to be some pace in here that you can't really foresee and I guess the hope is that Dixie moon and or starship do believe maybe show a little bit more speed than they have before. That's if you're back competition of ideas with any great fervor because obviously what this is shaping up as a situation where Holy Helena has a big tactical advantage on the other favorite and and she's been effective at Woodbine in the past. You look good winning the dance smartly last time Jimmy was giving a little bit of time since and I think she's a horse that that will really get the run of the race and and that's GonNa make her toffee. This could be a situation where on your your pick five. You're really leaning on those two pretty heavily and maybe you could give a little bit of a nod holy Helena on one one more additional ticket. I did want to try and make a case for to Riga and my hope is the Tyler Galileo. Maybe a little bit more aggressive with her than Johnny. Velazquez was was last time he finished just length and a half behind the competition of ideas did get into a little bit of trouble amazingly. She got into trouble in the three-horse rates which it happens of course and with a little bit cleaner run maybe second off the off the layoff off the ship in we can see some improvement grim oceans been a little the little laid back with her she she ran on July twentieth didn't work until August thirty first but might be one of those horses that can stay fit without doing that. I I'm always very very in tune and was looking at his horses in these kind of scenarios as they they generally overperform relative to their odds so I'm GonNa go ahead and include Theresa's well the and will include could starship jubilee more than likely those two has backups because I think they each offers some appeal at what should be better prices than the two chalks should note that ah Jimmy Jerkins after sending Holy Elena opt for the dance smartly basically is as left her there and oh my Gosh the stronach trainer but my Woodbine what is yes thank you Mike Doyle. Mike Doyle has been handling and Jimmy is on TV with seth deny after after precision is one and he told the story about Jimmy said he got the notification is it is stable mail all that Holy Helena had worked Labor Day weekend and so gets the notice he opens it up and Airy Jerry Sees Holy Elena six longs one eleven and three Jimmy said got on the phone to this is Mike what's going on up there and he said I really don't worry though or she did it easy. Did it easy the track was the polly was slick. It was cold or whatever yeah what eleven at three and you know what I did. I brought up with Jimmy that great story that is his father told about Bo purple and going out to Hawthorn for the Hawthorne Gold Cup on Tuesday the race as was Saturday and on Tuesday he gets a call from a Chicago sportswriter and said Jerkins. I wanted to ask you for comment about outvote purples work and said what about it. He says well he he he went a mile in one thirty. Two and three Korea broke the track record or mile. I think he went to violent at eight and broke the track record. What what forty seven forty six shades or something and and and Jerkin said you know? I'm sure he'll be fine and sure enough. He went out and won the Gold Cup but that was funny. One one eleven and three
In The Gate #416 - Mining for a Gem
"Away. Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. Kelly. Rube is not the first person we've ever interviewed on this show who earned a master's degree but decided to train horses. Instead, she is however, the only one who gave up an academic career to hunt foxes now, she has a formidable Preakness contender always mining. We'll talk with Kelly rudely. Plus, it's time for a refresher on how stewards interpret the whole d Q rule. I'm guessing, you know, why? And we're going to do something. We've never done before on this show. We're going to go through some Twitter chatter. That's spewed out after the you know what? And what it means for the sport going forward? Stay in your lane or you'll be disqualified from listening to this show. The about to be IRAs. Off. This is in the gate ESPN's. Thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on Twitter at be Abrams boys or on Facebook at Barry Abrams, boys. You can also get us on our YouTube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can get us on soundcloud as well yet us at the. I tuned store or tune in dot com. You can get us on that little pink pod catcher app on your phone. You didn't even know you had. And now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN app for the full in the gate experience of scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN app. Welcome back your dreams where your ticket out. Those were the opening lines of the legendary nineteen seventies TV show. Welcome back kotter where the main character played by Gabe Kaplan returns to his New York City high school to become a teacher. Our next guest has done the reverse Kelley rube. We grew up loving horses and upstate New York grew up to become a middle school science teacher and then left. That stable career to return to the stables on TV, Mr. Qatar dealt with a group of teenage guys who seemed comically incapable of maturing into adults Kelly rudely now a thoroughbred trainer has an equine version of a teenager as three year olds in the spring, basically are, but this guy has done some growing up in the last few months, always mining. We'll have to make a three wide bid and he's willing to do. It always finding up to try for gold as Zinni off the scene now in position less than three alongs to go and always mining now in front from try for goal turning for home in Federica Teissier sakes, all ways mining set down and opens up a four length lead on try for goal always mining with a six now a seven Lang lead always mining robbing home past the Laura line and headed to the Preakness always mining comes into the Preakness on a six race winning streak albeit in races. Quite as rigorous as those on the Kentucky, Derby trail, none the less. The three year old gelding is answered the rhetorical question about dreams that you hear on welcome back kotter who'd have thought they lead you back here where we need you and buy back here. We mean to Maryland where Kelly ruble is based at fair hill with a chance to claim one of the American spring classics, and we welcome trainer Kelly ruby here too in the gate. This horse has made twelve starts already maximum security. Maybe you've heard of him has made five including that whole Kentucky Derby thing. The last nine of always mining starts have come in laurel in the last six of those have been wins, all enlisted or overnight stakes. What's been your philosophy on how to bring them along? He he was purchased by my current owners after his maiden win. So he's only been with me since he ran on the grass in Maryland last summer. So, you know, we've kind of just strategically followed the past the Maryland route tickets where we're at today. What mood the light bulb turn on forum last October when this winning streak started? I wish I could answer that. He's always been a very nice horse. I mean anyone is made nicely. I think the goal was always to stretch out. And they were very limited races for two year olds when we ran them on the grass. So after that we also have to just sit tight and wait till they had a route race for us. And obviously he relished the mile you grew up in central New York, which is not exactly horse country. I know I went to Syracuse. What made you even want to get involved with horses up in that perpetual league gray bleak part of the world. I don't know. I guess it was ever since I could walk or talk I'll ever wanted to do with the around horses. So it was just naturally in me. But yes, it was a little limited. I started writing at a quarter horse barn actually started competing on the quarter horse survey doing jumpers and hunters and from there, but an event horse and started shipping down to the Maryland, Pennsylvania area. And that's kind of how I ended up in the air. Area fair hill. But listen to your parents, you earn two master's degrees. Two masters degrees. It became a middle school science teacher. Now, first of all, they're possibly be a more draining job in the world. And being a middle school teacher. I actually really enjoyed that age the students are you know, there's just starting to develop themselves much like a young horse. So I thought they were a lot of fun. But yes, it's exhausting, and it wasn't necessarily something. I could see myself doing in the future. Which is why I went back and got my second masters for administration inside that for three years. And then decided you know, what horses are meant to be. We what happens you were wearing a suit as an administrator and everything and did you just have an piffle. Or was it a gradual thing it was gradual? You know, even when I was teaching. I went into the administration because the fact that I'd already voted so much of my time, and my education towards the education were also what could I do move up the ladder in that respect? So I tried the administrative row and decided that it was just for me it allowed more flexible hours than my current job. But it just wasn't something. I had a passion for jelly rudely. Rainer of Preakness contender always mining. Joining us here on the gate now before you get to fair hill, which you mentioned you leave teaching school for FOX hunting in Pennsylvania. Is that a thing that was just a job to kind of regroup and see what I was going to do with my life. But yes, I was managing harm, and we accented I we didn't really have an opportunity in where I grew up. I never FOX hunted in my life. So it was a unique experience in something that I greatly enjoy. But it also got me my start with Barclay tag here at their hill. How I started galloping for him here. He had a string at fair hill and my gal for him and then eventually moved up to become his assistant. How do you go from FOX hunting and Pennsylvania to fair hill and being an exercise rider? Well, I mean that job was just pretty much to move me to this area to figure out what I was going to do. And that's. When I met Parkway and became an exercise rider for them with the goal that I would eventually become an assistant and kind of learn the horse racing world from the ground up. What did your parents say about what you chosen to do? With those two masters degrees. They were not thrilled. They still think I'm a little nuts. And the fact that you know, I work seven days a week. And I haven't had a day off and many years, but we've had a little bit of success. They're starting to kind of be what my my goal was a long, and they're you know, they're coming around. But still it wasn't ideal in there is at the time. Well in light of that. How nervous will you when you finally decided to go out on your own? I wouldn't say I was nervous. You know? It was a goal, and I like I'm somewhat of a driven person. And so I had a goal. And I knew when I became an assistant as the idea was to learn as much as I could to have an eventual string of my own, and you know, it came around gradually and worked I way into it. And so it was just a natural flow. Really? I'm guessing you're hoping that the success of always mining will lead to more business how big a stable do you have? And how big would you like it to be? I have about forty horses in training right now. We've had more in the past. I'm a very hands on person. I checked every horse's legs every morning. So I don't know how we'd like to go. We'd like to continue to improve the stable and have a nice allowance level stable. So you know, it just depends on I don't know that there's a magic number to stop at. It's just when I feel like I can't stand up everything that I'm going to have to take a minute and relook at it. It is always morning still in control leads almost two legs. From is six furlongs twelve three sixty s lift to go with like the distances. No problem at all. For always finding always minding kept attest opening up a half dozen on Joey his second and tai-bo third. Always mining wants to run all day, always minding to win it by six or so we've talked on this show recently about the stickiness of the future of the Preakness. But considering that always mining. Is one six in a row with loyal race course and made nine of his twelve career starts there. I'm guessing you personally wouldn't be too opposed to running the Preakness there this year. This year. That'd be perfect. That's going to happen. I mean, how concerned are you that he can bring his race track with him? Even though it's still in the state of Maryland. Actually, I think the Tenneco course going to set him up nicely. It's got a nice long stretch. And he just has a very large scale thing stride. So I I I don't see this the track change to be a problem. We're going to have to do it. Eventually, then I'm guessing you don't mind seeing that just about all of the top derby contenders are going elsewhere now that plays well for us, absolutely more. We certainly wish you the best of luck here. Kelly ruby. Thank you so much for sharing a few minutes with us. Thank you. Thank you haven't. We're going to take our first break here on in agape when we come back. It's time to revisit that whole d Q rule and how it's interpreted on guessing, you know, why we need a refresher. So go