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"Feel like he's just not focused what he puts it all together at the right time. He's gotta be like thirty forty two one or maybe it may be twenty but probably more thirty forty if he puts together on derby day. We know he can get the distance. He's got great You know he's got a great pedigree he's got a decent running style. Maybe he's going to be a long shot up center there some. That's my mouth. Sorry senior brusca door. You're gone for now. Come back lease less. You know stadium set for a while you know that's why i ultimately couldn't pick him in in the Risen star because he's been like yeah you know he's just kinda immature you know like he's just figuring things out still obviously Y- breeding would suggest that il that's why But you know listen. I think he is. I think it's i don't think it's a bad ached like you. You wanna horse. it's can be around. the end. feels like he is going to be around at the end of the race. Just a matter of If you can get it done one one that you you brought up your boy. Good magic in. What course she was and I think it's important to remember just because like you said he came back obviously innocent to follow cintra quality kind of conversation. You know their ears. Here's your readers. Cup winter comes back. Like you say doesn't look great in the fountain of youth kind of wondering what he is goes to bluegrass. It goes that route as well and wins and obviously if it were justify He'll he he. He ran a huge race and was very highly regarded so to your point even if this the schedule is all messed up with with essential quality and he comes back and he runs a little flatter. Whatever don't i mean. I don't think you have any doubt the at least given you know if it goes wins bluegrass. It wouldn't be shocking whatsoever. that is going to be the most important race for such a quality. Not this comeback race. Yeah everybody imagine shaking your head to yeah. You're right you're right because it gets all messed up then that second race. There's really no excuses right. Listen he may not get one. Anyway he may just go up and win Our guys I i think that's a pretty good rap. I think we really covered a lot year. I appreciate both coming on You know maybe it was just maybe aboard the causes to happen but up listen to the greatest thing about the pandemic is a goddess onstream yard in. It's got us do a lot more shows like this and there are a lot of fun even the rocket hours fun. So i'm imagining. I know you guys Magic mike shell will be Later on today we'll be recording. If you live and then be up for podcast this will also be podcast. Under the lakers off a platform will also have leakers off a magic mike on thursday as well. We've at the rocket our wednesday thursday friday. I was planning a live show from south last. Obviously that's not.
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"At belco and a spine tingling spectacle at the right place both doro mckinsey. They hit the mckinsey. Both orion a photo six clear of kentucky piece and then i occur if only fun but let's let's watch a ride in the background. You didn't kiss paul or something. Yes yeah just tossed. Mackenzie got cute. So we had a big win ticket on mckinsey. So we're pompton me wasn't big enough to kiss another man but it was big and yeah he was obviously very excited but man that stretch run it was just twenty. You hope to see in any kind of any race really wants to jerry with you top contenders you you just you. They they re a throw it down and you dislike any literally knows the back and forth. gosh out. Forget what magic you know where we all At dinner that night at at with with john wiedeman at matt dini's and ninety years talking about in nyc ultra and said. It was fun because usually when we're all together in a stance needed breeders cup. And it's like the end of the air kind of catching your breath whereas it was just getting started. And you're like holy shit like is just getting started and i'll never forget. We have the conversation. Like i dunno. Know it's just can justify really you know beat these horses because he ran his allowance race the day after that Of course that a lot of questions. I think but Yeah i mean that was that was kinda kinda like before the dea the their mind. I was gonna say the bj the before justified. While i remember. I remember Yeah exactly we said that. We were on such a high after seeing that. And then i think jared get ready to. We're on the plane and we're getting ready to take off and we have the justify race on we watched the race said while we didn't see the derby winner when we were there. We should have waited because that is going to win the derby. Look so good Nick causes says. Hey guys show silje entertaining and informative. Thank you very much for that chris. Spurling big hide. Oh great show thank you for chiming in with a hat One other thing What does the breeding line samba. This year's contenders read blondes. Weekly article he's gonna take every contender and break that down Mandolin is this week's article. You can check it on the site right now and throughout the whole process before we get to the derby. He'll break down every single one of them for you and answer those questions. He does a fantastic job. I think we're all vinnie fans on this show. So if you're not a fan just jusqu'a fall on us because if you're not if anything you're not a very good guy that's what i say about that there you go there's vinny In his article right there on mandolin so great article. He does a great job Our guys i asked this every time. We're going to end the show right now. I've asked every time we've been together We usually are fantasy shakes. When we do this. Jaren who is your conduct. Duck your pick at this moment in. Who's your lunch. I was hoping you I was actually in the ass. So i'm glad that you you know you're not host To continue to Listen gosh i think right. Now i don't know i can't remember who i've said in the past but i think my derby winner Is life is good at this point and that makes me sick like i does. Make me sick At this point it's hard to say in. its chalky obviously but longshot Gosh i mean. I guess at the easy answer gives his. We haven't seen him yet but any won't be a long shot if he if he runs back Comes back well. We talked about earlier motivated. I mean right now. He's a forty. Two one i think on the last feature wager It you know At i'm with you i hate the future wager but if you like him forty two juan is he's going to be a horse is to have such a despair as like from forty to want if he comes back and wins the gotham in say he. I mean best case scenarios went. Gotham wins bluegrass. He's he's like four to one or something derby's so forty. Two one looks like a gift. So if you think he's gonna come back to that that that's a pretty good bet from from based off those odds think highly motivated is offers the most values longshot. Now i think that's two very logical picks magic I can't remember if i've i've stuck with essential quality every time you've asked me or not. I probably wait waffle. Delight is good a little bit mystic with the central quality even though the southwest being moved round is kind of screwing his return In twenty eighteen. Jared brought up justify my favorite horse. That's ever run on the kentucky derby trail. Good magic return in the fountain of youth. Didn't look that great and then went to the bluegrass one. It and then put in a really great second in the kentucky derby i think that essential qualities on a similar path the southwest with being delayed a little bit. You might not see him win. You might not see his absolute best effort but then he goes to the bluegrass after that. He's shown more than once that he loves keeneland. And then you go to the kentucky derby and the derby is going to be the third starter that forum cycle for him. And i think that that's key as well again aaron. That's why i love that. You laid out that path because cox is gonna look at that and say that's the third start second start i start. Let's get him trying and ready to go. So that's going to be where i stick on top if you wanna longshot. Couple ones that. I like a hot rod charlie by ox bow. Who knows all about me farm. He's going to louisiana derby next. So o'neill really is already identifying distance with this horse. So i don't. He's not the fastest horse out of the gate. And he's not the fastest when the are running just normal cruising speed. But he's a good long shot possibility. Doug o'neill knows how to win the kentucky derby. I wanted to say midnight bourbon. Because he's got a really good front running style. But i i need to see more from him in the louisiana derby before i wanna put him as a longshot to so right now hot rod. Charlie is a long shot essential qualities my top pick. Yeah that's the stigma sixty quality. And i like that all right so my pick for both senior brusca nor when we've done it's not anymore Come on now. He's definitely a show definitely locked. I'm pivot all right guys magic. You're going to baby fall out of your chair with this. I'm starting injured too. Because i've kind of been critical. I don't know if the source is gonna come back as good as he was. I'm kinda snarled. Lima on that essential quality bandwagon. A little bit. Here's what i'm going to say. I think brad cox is going to win the kentucky derby with one of these three essential quality cattle river or mandolin if essential quality comes back in and looks as good as we. You guys at least kind of think he's gonna look. He's got to be my pick if not i'm gonna. I'm gonna lean towards mandolin or river One thing if he legit goes southwest bluegrass to the big one. It's just like montgomery girl rachel. Alexandra you know ashland kentucky oaks. So it's like yeah. He knows what he's doing so if he if the central quality comes back around really well he's going to be like pick believe it or not on. It could just be. Because i hate tuck bob so much. I'm just trying to find anybody so central quality Caddo river mandolin. I think one of those three win. It guys are made me laugh. I kind of think proxy is a decent shot. And here's why he's proven he can go on. He's proven he can run with pretty good horses. I think those fairground horses are pretty good in. He's that something that really kind of stuck out to me yesterday on the rock and our magic when you said this is just kinda goofy in india..
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"Is goodwill. He's street than his grip on the number one overall ranking or is he right for an upset in the spot. Well it's the first part you're saying is true. I think that what we saw in the robert. B lewis with those Hot rod charlie medina spirit roman centurion. They all deserve a shot in fifty point race. I think they all make gave good account of himself Two of those horses you can say. They got a lot of improvements. Still do as well as far as life is good. God i hate saying that. I think is gonna win but his his training since the shan has just been lights out they changed a little bit of a bit To give them a little bit more control the rider more control in the mornings and he seems to have responded really well he just seems to be. I just maturing an incoming around at the right time for baffert and it's you hate to see it. You really hate to see it but this this horses really looks good up there on the track in the morning. Now i'll say my opinions for the last year. Same same questions for you. True or false. It's it's going to be the best prep yet and then Life is good. What do you think of him. Yeah yes to both know. Listen it's it's. I mean this race is it's time and time again is just such a quality race authentic both euro both the poll douro race year. We were there for which was surreal. I mean You know they didn't even run into nineteen so that time like ab. We saw last running of the same fleet but no bolt the bolt That stretch rose bowl too euro. And and what was his name. The other baffert. Mackenzie was just unbelievable. Mastery course was injured after that. But gosh he looked like derby winner Dortmund knob you know that year with the dortmund versus ap california chrome. You know like he goes on and on. This is just a big time race and yeah. Life is good his workouts. He looks like i mean. He looks like everything you'd want in a horse. And he he runs fast he wants is his dry looks good. He looks like a pro doing it. He's on I really think the sources unfortunately is going to be awful tough to beat and he's probably deserving to be the number one three year old even Over essential quality. Yeah i couldn't echo more a lot of the things where you said. I'll never forget the two thousand nineteen as sampling bay when we were there. Here's the deal when we go to santa anita. It was always for the breeders cup and while that is just off the hook fun and it's also a lot of work for us right. You can't fully enjoy soon. Anita iguana It's like i fully enjoyed soon. Anita and aunt surroundings for the first time. That was one of my favorite trips Ever that stretch. Ron was truly amazing. And the phantom disqualification so much fun. I also agree with what you guys are saying. Life is good. I'm not gonna get him until he loses. I do think there is one horse. And i think you guys both me. I'm going to say. I think the green one. I'm telling you guys i think they will neal's guiding figured out. I think he can beat him. I hate to root for doug. Neil just like a hatred for bob so it's kinda like watching for me like duke. North carolina play or oklahoma state texas. Play right. it's just like can hope. They both lose. And maybe that will happen but i doubt it. I think those are the two to look for real quick. We did have some breaking news. We need to get to a j. prevalent on twitter about forty five minutes confirmed concert tour to the rebel. I i think that is significant. News he is following that same path as the dull Nidal broke the maiden won the san francisco bay onto the rebel concert. You're gonna do the same thing so Journal you just real quick thoughts on concert to reverse kennel river. That's basically who we know right. Now in the replica. Change but as of right now you take him between those two. Oh boy i. I think it's concert to her. Hey i mean Bob hits bob baffert derby the bob baffert rebel. The bob baffert classic. I mean he owns Oaklawn in march and april So it's like if he brings in a horse. Yeah i mean it's it's pretty good shot to win so I think it'll be close though. I really do i i do. I do like had a river. And i think that's gonna be a fun race. Talk about the. The rebels always very productive race So i think this will be just Gosh tough luck bob. I mean another orse bringing into dino. Women's life is good and that goes rebel on winds concert. You're gonna be. It's gonna be tough on them. Yeah template. bob wins outlook on unless he gets disqualified right so very well could happen magic. Are you high on concert tour. I'm not super high on him I think he's good. But i'm not. I'm not convinced that he's an elite. Bob baffert prospect. I think he's really good. Like b to b plus range. That if if you owned this horse you'd be fucking ecstatic because this is to be plus but listen you compared him the doll the maiden the into the Listen i i'd be happy. If he continues the nodal trendy wins. The rebel gets hurt. Not enough to where he's going to have to be put down but worries hurting. It goes away and disappears. Talk about him again. And that's one less for bob baffert derby starting gate so yes. Please continue them at all the an adult path. I would love that please. Little positive message there from magic as we get ready to wrap up the show odd couple things. While i'm try- i cut you off. You guys continue on trying to upload my video. I shot from the san felipe off of that. Stretch run and i just didn't want it to like cut you guys off Video never mind. I don't know what i'm doing so hang on a on hanging on. Probably do this let you work for a second. And then i'll just say a few batman's the i keep going because i've got a couple of comments i'll get to quit. I don't know if life was good. The distance i think that is the question will find out living up to its billing sixteenth. Left ago mckinsey on the inside at belco and a spine tingling spectacle at the right place both doro mckinsey. They hit the mckinsey. Both orion a photo six clear.
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"I wanted to like about when to me and maybe i don't know when baffled it's to me when he sends a worse out here it's like it's like almost looks like well i know he can't get A mile oregon run at like legit jerry. Prep so we'll just try saving. Still one there know. Get them into the derby like give me another horse into the derby. Because if he wins he's in the derby and he looks good. So it's like i to me. It's not about like all. He's a good worse No a miles best. He's gonna get like as far as debbie. Prep goes which i agree. Trust me if anybody listens to me like. I think it's hilarious that you run amounts race and then it's like what. What logic does that make it. All it makes But yet so baffled gonna take advantage of the system and and try to instill one. So i don't necessarily look at it as like about it. His best or they can run this distance. And hopefully you can still derby prep so the big sell at churchill. Downs gave to us when they when they come up with the point system. And they took away the importance of the kentucky derby for races like the whole pool in the summer at saratoga. Was we want. We want to bring in to turn horses running their best races in march and april and we have a one turn race worth fifty points now at akron. So it's really quite ridiculous when you think of it by that logic. Anyway we'll go on tampa bay derby talk about another spot that i'm not gonna call it easy but it could be a place for you ship a horse and win Base op. The syrup davis results. Not the candyman rocket over rags. Were bad just they were okay. You couldn't really say they jump off the page. Jerry will kick to you tampa bay derby. It's always i love the day. I love the race. I love a big races or smaller tracks. It's just fun for me but tampa bay derby winner. I wanna know. Who do you think's going to win or not. Because who knows who's even awhile will the tampa bay. Everyone wonder this year. Have any say whatsoever in kentucky. Derby no no i mean i find that highly unlikely I mean listen you just go off of of past history right. I mean it's not a you know destined tap Quip tacitus gear mo. I mean horses. Yesterday i i mean that might make some sort of say in the derby by there in the field. But i just don't necessarily believe that this is a race. I do think like this this this year. It's ripe for a a pletcher horse. That's kind of unregarded right now to Ship in enron a best best race that day and possibly get in like i. I don't know who will be but it seems like it's ripe for a a new shooter so to speak to kind of come in and get winston you gotta remember. This is a big race right. It's the tampa bay derbys. So you get in your you know if you win. You're in so yeah to me. I think it's ripe for a new shooter to win and get in. That doesn't already have points. I agree with you on this on. The common widened predict a winner. Because i don't know who is going to be. I just do feel like somebody's going to of come out of nowhere almost like the sam sam. F davis where candyman rocket. I remember his maiden went obviously gulfstream. But i didn't really consider that that's where he would go next and he comes in any wins You did mentioned tacitus. Who did he such a dumb ass but he did run decent triple crown races. So you would say that. He made an impact as a as a tampa bay. Derby winner Candyman rocket is trained by bill mott and so is no ragztop to finish his davis. If one of those two wins the tampa bay derby magic kick it to you. You think maybe they could make an impact your maybe bill maher can progress them to where they have a shot shot in the kentucky derby shot. As far as kidding the board. F- i'll give him a shot because it's bill maher but i'm not giving them a big shot a i don't know they look decent but this is one of those races in the short time. I've been following horse racing. My understanding is who is todd. Pletcher bringing touches won this race five times more than any other trainer. He wanted three straight years. Fifteen sixteen seventeen including with tablet also with everybody's favorite team so listen as far as the tampa bay derby goes plus pletcher sending. That's probably who. I wanna bet to win. Yeah well jerry. Clemens who really. Good point tapper did win the belmont newsweek. Running in the beaumont but it doesn't matter he didn't win it so destined about one or two probably should have won. It wasn't for my boy creator. Sober saying iraq. If you win stampede derby's gonna win the beaumont right at the belmont belmont. Prep i think at this point. It seems that way. No i'm my is are on Obviously like i don't think it's i mean my horse like i i have to on my team gazali. There's no way he runs here. Obviously donegal bay was almost so bad last out. The you think something happened. So like if he shows up in another prep. It wouldn't be surprising. I don't steal don't know if he's gonna show up here But it does seem like there's a pleasure that is kind of Unregarded so so to speak That could show appear a obviously known agenda. Showed i i don't know if he's good enough to win at Try that again. But i feel like there would be one If if pletcher sins one in here you definitely have to take account that. Hopefully don't look at the morning lines. Whoever requires making those you just throw those gutting. That's when you really need fixed odds betting that's right no shit like todd. Pletcher brings in or is won by ten last time out and he said ten to one morning line like yeah that makes sense. That's what's gonna happen. That's so right. Aren't let's transition. I think might be the best perhap- yet The sample ebay at santa anita magic. We're going to start with you to join the california guy a true or false no to two questions true falls this will be the strongest prep yet and then question number. 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"I starting to get to the point that the second round of preps the fifty pointers. These are starting to come my favorite. Because now you're starting to see the horses that were in that first round of perhaps did they take steps forward horses. That are coming back from bricks horses. They're stepping up from the maiden race from the allowance. Rinks that are testing and so it's exciting because now you're really meeting a bunch of horses that are trying to peek. And some that are coming down and you're trying to make handicapping move. It can the hell out of you but it's a lot of fun to sit here and talk about and guess who's going to take that step forward so probably of the two. That are this a that weekend. The when i'm looking forward to yes to fill the man fifteen is getting the amount on fire at will So that's a. He's coming back to ride that horse Who obviously he wrote a breeders cup in that win One thing i wanted to mention about prevalence Sources obviously that. We share. But someone that i talked to. Who knows brendan well. The back is magic. The background my computer yesterday. It was max field. I am the biggest max. Field fan In the world and brennan's like this were better at 'field that's prevalence. He's talking about so that's straight from the horse's mouth so to speak so listen. I love max bill. But if he says that he didn't he makes the move to the balance of us they can around. I'm just saying that's That's big time. Talk right there. And i think it's interesting that you know. Everybody was all about praying factor coming in to the to the holy bull. Greatest honor wins. Now everybody's all about you know all about Prevalence greatest honors sitting right there. So we'll see. I only bullet greatest hunters grade measuring. Stick for these sources So now we'll see. Problems can pass at greatest honor tests so to speak and by the way should mcgahey every race has a has greatest honor getting better off Good luck prevalence. I think it's going to be tough race but listen. I was definitely amazing. In that earned the says maiden special weight that we're talking about Found of utah. I think we did get on. That is let's go to the three biggies march sixth hour. We're kind of looking at a three week window here. And these are three derby shaping races as well. We'll start with the gotham at acqueduct. And we'll kick into jared because his fantasy league hopes highly motivated will be in this race. You'll make two thousand twenty one debut. We also heard freedom. Fighter has come to this race manny. Franco's going to ride initial thoughts of the gotham for you. Jared before i do that i gotta bring in. I see down there waiting patiently. I don't know can't lingering. Insomuch not so i was going to text in. Do you want in insomuch. yes or no. If you want an will bring you in okay. Sorry i just wanted to make sure. I didn't want to be like a big like he's sitting there waiting for someone to put in. He's sitting there so okay so you can come in later if you want about highly motivated. Obviously the key my team right Fantasy squad first round pick hasn't been seen since last year but again another source i have is basically jad taking time off. The horse looks good down in florida. They say this horse Ready to roll so The i mean i. It's a perfect race because for him to kick off he didn't want you know chad say didn't want to start a race Going around nate's so to speak or mount sixteen off of the offices the worst. It's been sprinting Should be able to get the distance but again you just never know so. It's like go right to a mile. It's kind of a key thing because it's a race it's worth a bunch of points rights. It's gotham so you win. And you're an essentially But it's only a mile so he can get that kind of first race onto your belt Only going mile. And then wait to stretch out you and i both said it seems like keeneland would be. Yeah obviously he's wanted keelan The that would be a good spot for him. You know the bluegrass Being the big mile eight tests. So yeah i think the perfect five. Obviously when i got the news yesterday. Freedom coming in for baffles like son of a bitch. You know like i bob beverage. Go as i said needles way in to the derby picture with freedom fighter because listen. He'll be tough on the lead. You wanna mile. It's perfect racer him. i definitely think how motivated is is better horse freedom-fighter but again he's never know how these horses are gonna come back as three year olds after two. I mean to me what we've seen his back class highly motivated the being like he. He's a top level or like he should be. I mean because we've seen it all is bad. Class is coming back to run well in. I think he showed that he's really really good. It's just a matter of one. Can he be a three year old. That same or improved and to to turns. What is he going to be like. So obviously i think he's gonna run well but yeah i mean that's it's going to be a test against the your freedom fighter the bachelor's yeah that's the big thing. So the west coast correspondent matt ask correspondent magic freedom fighter coming over for the gotham We see tough luck robbie a lot but we have in. The past isn't the first time ever. What do you think of freedom fighters chances in the gotham. I like them much better than baffert. Only other time coming to the gotham in twenty nineteen with much better who got fourth in the gotham baffert. I think of new york. And i think of belmont i think is saratoga. But he has won the wood memorial twice as well. I think two thousand six was the last time he did that. So it's it's an interesting move because this seems like new york specifically acqueduct is the last place. Bob wants to ship. But he's going to do it here with with freedom fighters. So i don't know it's interesting. He'd also had talked about spielberg concert tour. Possibly going there he just doesn't want to give up on spielberg owners. Don't give up on spielberg. I think that they want their million dollars back but Right i like that mark a comment here. I've had this same issue. Equa ducts goes a mile one. Turn out for the right. I go to turn mile and eight. The weather's for the second race and then now we go back to a one turn mile which is going to offer more points if you wanted to come back and offer less points than the nathan did it. But this isn't your your essentially kind of rewarding sprinters to get into the kentucky derby here and i. I don't understand this. I know what happened because they got rid of their inner dirt track and made it turf. But i just don't understand that exact magic you hit around the head. Why this happened is because they got rid of the inner dirt track but and then they instead of adjusting the schedule like if the gotham was first and then you went the series got longer and longer it's like i don't like a a one turn When it's only worth ten points if it's first but you make it worth fifteen. You don't adjust your schedule as stupid you just need to adjust the scheduling all makes sense. So i totally with mark and you guys. I know you guys agree as well Real quick before we move on to the derby. This'll be a good segue that tampa bay derby Dennis says if you had a good worse at you try to get guaranteed derby points. Basically where would you go. And then later. Said i would go to akron luck or tampa. That's my quick answer. I think those are the two weakest situations gonna go. Quads going gonna be strong I know golfing is going to be. And i don't wanna mess with luck bob on it soon anita snow. I think those are the only left right anyway. Hey one thing..
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"I'm with you. And i think it's inexperienced No matter of things would went perfect weather. Wise was a problem. And then you had this end and it could be a real disaster. A denison as asks a good point. I asked you imagine talking to jared. I could keep me in mind. Would what would he done if he would have been to. The would have random. The wasn't risen starwood. He'd been right there with those three top horses You know about that race. I really think those three top three our top quality horses. I i mean mandolin. obviously mandolin. definitely showcased. I think his ability. I think he's a he's definitely stuff to be. Brad cox right. I mean he's got three really. Good horses You know. I think proxy is just getting better midnight. Bourbon can runs. I think he's a solid worse to. I think that's a top level Prep especially what we've seen so far. So yeah i mean honestly i think he finishes fourth in that race. I you know i don't There's nothing about him is like. I think that he would have changed much of that race. In terms of the final results. listen keep me in mind. Is the his ease the same worse than i thought he. I think he's just like the max player you just going to pick up points underneath and unfortunately like we're saying it's you're running out of time in terms of the way getting pushed back To kind of pick up points when you're talking about baking points underneath you know so. He's like one that you could see making. Maybe you'll run in the belmont or something that to me like. Maybe that's where he fits. But i just think like magic said like it's becoming dimmer for him As far as like especially being a top level derby contender on after. I don't think his top three probably four magic. You're shaking your head. You think four through him in that race. Yeah the top. Three were in america. Ron finish but both in the lecompte star. So yeah yeah. I guess the biggest point maybe. You're trying to make magic though he would be in a better position as far as you'd have a race under his mel you kinda got arrested worse after big race anyway so he could go back oaklawn where it smell and rest instead of trying to work out. You know workouts for the next big race. I here's a question you think the change in scheduling for oaklawn causing wanted. Look all stream or tampa. i don't think all streamer tampa. I do think maybe fairgrounds Maybe go out to the sunland derby. Maybe even try your luck on the synthetic turf way if you're kind of questionable I don't think they'll go all the way to florida. But i do think that is definitely a possibility that they will look elsewhere. That's because oklahoma is the only thing we want to talk about today. let's let's go just real quick to the fountain of youth so we're gonna talk a little bit about the fountain of youth that's going to be ran on the same day. Now is the southwest but fifty twenty ten and five. That's the points that will be awarded for this so huge race. A huge south florida Jared star with you. What are you looking for here. Early on with the probables received in the fountain of youth. This is one of my favorite preps every year. I think just because it has you know it's not the florida derby obviously final. Prep for that You know obviously oaklawn a big race or big track for producing contenders. But i feel like you really start to get a solid horses year in the fountain of youth in. Yeah i mean. I think is shaping up that way. Listen where it is that the brennan walls might be pointing. Prevalence that the horse. That had the was a nine way. Shake that horse the league pointing him straight to this race off of that impressive win. Listen if he goes if he does a bold new for trainer like brennan walsh. If he does that at basically telling me he thinks he's gonna win Obviously a great honor or looked amazing last time for should fire will the breeders cup often. You have rediscovered winner kind of being forgotten. I mean yeah. I was on the terms. That's the key right Coming into the race. Obviously you know to to to magic's puncture prime factor of shirley. Ican run better. This time. Right i. I don't know how i can run worse Hopefully he runs better. But listen. i think it's shaping up like prime factor can win like it it i. He had that hype. Obviously going into the is last. So listen. i think it's shaping prevalence to me is the one. I've got my island. Because if britain makes that move he was pretty adamant and that's kind of his goto is going to run a mini prep armies allowance and then florida derby. That's what you're assuming and then if he goes straits with found views he's not messing around in my opinion the i thought it was very interesting. That he he kind of made that comment straight to the fountain of youth is kinda likely now where they're going. Where at first. It mostly sounded like an allowance. Magic this race can be your fantasy team because of prime factor. I guess i'll start with the prime factor question What do you think is this is going to bounce back. It seems to me. It's a tough spot. But he should run better. Is that kind of how you look at it. I don't after that that Twenty twenty one day was first time routing. I'm not going to be looking to play him with a big win. Bet through this field of shipping shaping. But i for this one. I'd love to see just some improvement. You know the first time rowling got pretty in the stretch into have anything left. And there was a second start kind of on the prevalence notion. Jerry was going a little bit. Not pletcher had said on steve vic show going into that week that he really tried to get him into an allowance. Race prime factor that is and he just couldn't get anything to to fill Kind of initiative. Bob baffert has had sometimes california shown usually hear about that out in florida. So i'll be curious to see. Were problems goes as well for prime factor. He needs to step up. This is kind of a maker break for him. I think you can be pretty forgiving with a lot of these. Especially when they're young when they try routing for the first time doesn't matter how good they looked. His wind came sprinting. So he really needs to show that he can continue to progress but jurors said this is one of his favourite preps. I starting to get to the point that the second round of preps the fifty pointers. These are starting to come my favorite. Because now you're starting to see the horses that were in that first round of perhaps did they take steps forward horses..
"derby trail" Discussed on Blinkers Off
"Once a year to have this problem and every year you can count on twitter to gloom and doom. And it's over and what are they gonna do and it's a big problem So we'll address it. I because it never really is a big of a problem. We'll get to it right now because do think the oaklawn problem that we are facing right now is kind of interesting We had basically keep me in mind. Essential quality jackie's were the three heavy hitters were appointed for the south west while the southwest was supposed to be yesterday president's day. It didn't happen then. It was supposed to be this coming sunday. Not gonna happen now. We're looking at next weekend. Probably the twenty seventh when they're going to have that race jared initial reactions to the move of the race in. We're what what do you think it means for those three big horses while to your point. Yeah it's funny. How every We've we've been going on forever and that's where we started is always you know. We have store all kinds of stories. We were snowed in one year at the after the south west in and it seems like yeah like kind of goes hand in hand like what happens when you run a track used to be earlier in the year even january february In in in arkansas. It's going to happen and it's funny how you say everyone freaks out and it's like every year they come up with something the where it everyone after the back like. Wow that was great. They really did it. Hits like yeah. They did because it's not hard. It's a good track. They've good person guys will come to bring their horses to run there so this year though it is a little interesting just considering you have essential quality who's obviously a lot of people at least the top two maybe top top three year old. We have and we're still waiting to see his debut in. And i'm sure his connections and trainer are waiting to see his debut because he's he's been ready In so you know anybody that's doesn't quite understand. You know these horses are they literally are ready to explode. When when these trainers are getting them ready for a big race. I mean they are wound so tight end in the ideas to get into the track and you know boom they. They run a big race. And so you have a situation that you have these tracks or these races getting pushed back. It creates a lot of ripple effects down the road. Because it's like okay. Now how do i keep my horse at that top level but also pushing it back and not really knowing win that race is going to be held so it's tricky But at the same time what what options do they have the. You can't really go take him out of town. And and obviously brad cox has several horses that are are top contenders River is going to be running the rebels. It's like you can't be like run into the rebel in me Need the points per se. I mean he does but he needs more more racing than anything in so. You just need to get him somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see huge effort out of him at in southwest is because this is kind of messed up. It's never ideal when this happens for the first start back after a delay you know I can't remember when baffert was going to send improbable a game winner at the san diego then it got cancelled and that he was a week later getting umbrella and they went to the rebel. Those were scheduled for just kinda screwed up ever since Are are you know ever since that happened so i could see something similar magic. I'm gonna kinda lay out a path that i think each of these big three are going to go and then i'll kick it to use if you agree disagree. What maybe you would do different. Okay to me with brad cox essential quality. I still think southwest to the bluegrass makes the most sense. I think he was going to do that anyway. Because he's got caddo river. Who who's on the rebel arkansas schedule. And then you kick it down to the louisiana circuit and obviously mandolins gonna go louisiana. Derby already at the other. Two louisiana race was so i thought that made the most sense jackie's wear. I think it's a little bit more of a question mart. Aren't thinking southwest arkansas derby. Because i don't see another asmussen really pointed to the arkansas derby. Keep me in mind is interesting to me. He is based on oaklawn. While these other two are not there at the fairgrounds. Why is that important. Oakland is not going to have training for a couple of weeks. Either during this akeem is not going to get the track for a couple of weeks. I think he waits for the rubble now. Because i don't think he's gonna be thick for the south west so i think he really screwed. I think he has one option. Were the other two have a couple of options. I keep him find his rebel. Arkansas diary. i don't see any other way. Magic kind of what's your take on where these three are gonna end up. Well i think that Those are first of all some great paths. That was running down to so i could keep track. I love hearing how you think about these things that you guys did on blinkers off. Last week that i really loved plotting out the potential path for these horses and with keeping in mind specifically you remember diodoros entered in both the risen star which was a weaker took entries a week earlier and then the south west. And he's like well i. He sounded like the south west small field. I don't want him chasing. No pace the risen star should have probably been where he ended up going because the southwest push getting pushed again. And i think keep me in mind is going to suffer the most out of the five horses that you named and part of it is because of who's managing his campaign. This isn't a. I'm not trying to take a shot at the door. But you have someone like bread cox who showed last year how every it didn't matter. What horse what. Service would distance. He figured out the plan to get those horses to prime on the big day so mix go central quality Girl aunt pearl. He looks at. Okay here's the end goals the kentucky. Derby work backwards. I feel idea. Doro has just been looking forward in plotting things out in something ryan still taught me a long time ago is that you have trainers who do at the adores looking which is just the next race the next race horsemen who were looking. Here's the end goal. How do i get there six months. And they plot the way to get there. So i just think dora's inexperienced with a derby trail horse horse of this caliber is ultimately be wha- what stops. Keep me in mind from really being fully successful this spring. I'm with you. And i think it's inexperienced No matter of things would went perfect weather. Wise was a problem. And then you had this end and it could be a real disaster..
"derby trail" Discussed on Blinkers Off
"What is up everybody and welcome to a special edition of blinkers off on a sleepy tuesday of racing. Only three tracks running today I had this idea i thought. Hey let's get on. Let's bring on. Jared was bringing magic. And let's talk about where the kentucky derby stands at this time. Why because we of have a breather guys like this weekend. Not much going on and then it's a sprint to the finish. Basically bring jared jared. You're up your way. It's tuesday looking bleaker off. Yeah you can make an a midweek appearance on. The livestream has always a good a good sign. I'm still kicking. We've got a bunch of snow out over here missouri More snow coming seems like we're it's like freaking minus thirty degrees out literally So it's it's it's nice to be here In yeah you messaged me like. I don't think he got done type. Yes amend yes. Let's please. I need to talk to people I need to talk to other adults about something. I enjoy other than you know. Get stuff so listen. I think it's a good time. Obviously the southwest keeps getting pushed back further and further. At this point we might have a Southwest in rebel on the same day. It seems that way. But i mean it's a good time because we are like you say it's a break and then once southwest which is technically the last Minor prep It's like all hands on deck and we're going to get really into the derby means march almost and it's i mean march is when you kind of start to separate The legit contenders from the pretenders. Right that's absolutely right in magic as you very well know. I'm assimilated jared. I've been writing about the derby all morning. You can editing posts are maybe they're there for you to edit. You haven't yet. But you know. And i felt the same way i was like. I gotta talks about this because ogden is right at magic. Bring you in now. Hey known rough weather there in california rate no. No it's gorgeous. I think sixty yesterday a sixty two and sunny today. It's about sixty five and sunny so really great here. The sun is always shining in california. Can't say the same for oakland. But i did see a really beautiful video that rick namely posted where he was just up in the press box and just an aerial shot of the track. Very slow pan at oakland Looks like a beautiful winter wonderland there so it's nice to be in california looking at it on the telephone or on a phone screen like that but yeah pretty weather here. Yeah you can count on oaklawn once a year to have this problem and every year you can count on twitter to gloom and doom. And it's over and what are they gonna do and it's a big problem So we'll address it. I because it never.
"derby trail" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW
"Had Senator Damon's fair. I'm I'm like my show about a week or so ago and he's really feeling positive about this type of thing went back. I think they rewrote the legislation. So the family foundation can't say. See, that's not their mutual way. Drink. The casinos were keeping all that money. No, that's not what they want to do. They want to just prove yes, it's para mutual. You think you're betting against the guy sitting next year, and we're not gobbling up the money. And so I just from talking to Senator Fair, He seemed to me very positive that and the main thing is is Governor. Bashir was not in favor of this a year ago. How he is because he sees the impact that let's just say Colvin has left his coffers with unemployment and business is shutting down. He's like he's looking around the state going Oh, my revenue sources are drying up. Where can I go? Oh, I'll support the horse racing industry. I'll help people on fire, Miss people in the race track all the goods and services. Uh, makes sense to me, you know, so so now they got the sheer on the side of it, and I got a feeling when the governors back in it, it's got to give it a little push in the right direction. All right, John. Always a pleasure, buddy. Any time guys were around the Derby trail. Don't forget me around the first Saturday in May, All right, love running into you at the track. John Engelhard. He's got to me took the one of my favorite pictures of me and my sons and Deb at Keeneland. It's a beautiful day. And of course, we had our kids the racetrack with they try not dead and eight big hats on stuff. Nah, but for a change. I was I wasn't dressed up, but at least I didn't look like I do right now. I've ever seen.
"derby trail" Discussed on The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast
"Listed stakes level Should be a major major player. And i think probably going to be one that a lot of folks might might single and And might try to get through there on the friday feature Oh saturday aquidneck. The discovery my small field. So it's a great three but we see the return of shared sense. Who is the brad cox horse bradshaw. I think brad even sent went out to delmar. We'll talk about del mar in the second half of the show but you know he. He's obviously very comfortable at this kentucky base but He'll he'll ship out every so often in new york is he's not a stranger there but shared sense one of those horses who you know is is. It was a good three year old. They tried the the smarty jones bat you know. They started to maybe dip a toe into the derby trail. But it didn't go very well. They backed off the horse and then subsequently now has kind of became every year. We have you know all these kind of state derbies. I know that the way the kentucky derby trail was this year it kind of was a little wacky but you get the horses that find these state derbies and of take advantage of nice purses grade three kind of structure and shared census. Kind of been that Going to new york obviously a little bit of a different thing. Here and taking on. I think kind of a good field monday morning. Qb the maryland. millions champ. Force the oro. The three for bill. Mott i know bill off to a very chilly. start here and maybe that's You know you can always look at that as one of two ways right like. He's a good trainer. He's going to get back on track. Or hey maybe now's a good time to go against him because he's still belmont his name still going to carry some weight at the wagering windows and you know junior off pretty slow start but they team up quite a lot and so it's bound that those two were going to kind of go hand in hand but this one is coming off a win got crushed in the rimsson again at a short price. I think maybe a little bit of a go against and then attachment rate for dale. Romans comes off that big win if you remember. That was a sloppy track race in a very small field and this kind of went out to lead and did dispose of rivals. But that was a big drop from where this horse had been running. Obviously the kentucky. Derby is pretty tough but you know had been running in the blue grass. Park derby against very good horses Certainly a contender in here I tried to. I mean i know. Dale goes over to new york every so often. But i'm trying to remember kind of some of the success or lack of success. He's had with Those horses but Yeah attachment rate of virginia bread. Maybe we'll see him Colonial next year for a little steak. But yeah just a little field of five in there. And i think an interesting group. I'm real excited to see if monday morning. Qb can kind of make that That step up was very good against the maryland-breds but obviously Deeper waters in in this particular spot. Nice maiden special weight on saturday ecuador in race. Six for the two year old sprinters You know some some well bred in high price types rugged union for todd pletcher and the gop stable folks. Who shows up in there for the debut. Jonathan thomas has a nine hundred thousand dollar debut reddening almo- for lapente and and some of that group so kind of a fun event there subsidizes. You know kind of a classic chad brown. Of course that's been third second bet both times but hasn't quite got there I'm just you know the fact. This one debuted at monmouth again. I always think know monmouth chad. Kind of sends his second-string down there and so I'm just always going to be a little. I mean i'm always gonna be shied away from his. That are short prices anyways with other alternatives. But this one in particular. I think the doesn't show a ton of confidence that he started this one over there. The seventh race on saturday program central park stakes for two year olds at a mile and a sixteenth on the turf course. These are my worst races. I'm telling you. I'm so bad at these. You're trying to predict. The surface changed for a lot of horses. If you're breeding player if you're someone who likes to project whether horses will stretch out whether they'll make switch on surfaces This is a fun race for you. It's just not in my wheelhouse. And so i just didn't have a whole hell of a lot of thought about this particular one the aquit of turf sprint championship though definitely excited to see Site off i thought was an interesting entry in here. You know we know. This horse has been a good turf sprinter but no longer with the chad. Brown bar goes to todd pletcher This horse went on. Its game is very speedy early in very dangerous you know has been in the exact. A seven out of twelve in. The career should be a short price on saturday. L. tormenta the woodbine mile winner of twenty nineteen shows up in here. We haven't seen this horse since. May after that would by maya win they. They tried to breeders cup. Mile horse ran fine. I mean six four in this nothing you know horrible or anything but the field but really came back somewhat dull in those next couple of starts at gulfstream park. I don't know if the horse just didn't like gulfstream if it wants to get back to woodbine which obviously it's not going to this year. I know they're still fighting. That would bind so keep an ear out on the on the news in terms of the future of woodbine racecourse for this season. It sounds like they're supposed to know something Later on the night and thanksgiving so hopefully we'll know something.
"derby trail" Discussed on Racing Rundown: A Horse Racing Podcast
"So I think right now. This is lacking That could be mind controlling. I was skeptical. Top of the lane. Ec McHugh is just not finding that second third fourth year that he seems to find when he comes down the stretch and most races but he really founded a late eight modem down Ian. I mean the ride. There is pretty comical the jockey but it wasn't even passed a happy formerly part of and he just stood up in their newsletters. Tosa Ma. He's a powerful horse. I do question his His ability to compete at a top level at six furlongs but is legit met mile contender when we get there. So it is. He's in pretty time career. Greg Soko is doing a really good job. Managing this horse of twitter. You know taking it one at a time not being over ambitious. We've seen that throughout his career He's an exciting horse. Definitely one a lot of people and I do want to correct myself. Air said the Toboggan that was I wanted to In January it was a tomfoolery. Said he won. But so ju just clear that up. They're also standing at aquit all the the great great three. Gotham Mile. Preparatory talks about how it doesn't really make sense on the Kentucky Derby Trail but mischievous Alex did win it and you want fairly fairly solid and he you know Eric is in his mind. He would love to think that that horses GonNa go onto to the met mile regardless of where they go with him props props horse for the win. It was a nice win by him. You know whether whether the Kentucky Derby is next whether they look what are they. Sh- rest right for the Kentucky Derby or whether they go to the wood memorial or whether they stick around for a race like the woody Stevens that remains to be seen but credit to the horse there. He's not the highest on my Derby List. But he did have a nice win so Recognize him there. This is not going to produce any heading into legit derby contenders. Any horse have Unless they put in a monster's performance in a one hundred point probably not I we counted in the Derby and we really don't know yet. I mean the connections. I mean there've been. The trainer said the trainer. John Service said that they're using training trip to the Derby. The owner said they really want to try the woods so we don't we don't know where he's going either way he's in the. Derby maybe stay healthy. I imagine that's where they're going to point him. It's going to be very interesting of the big. The big thing about the point system ever since introduced. I think assisted. Sedentary Year introduced twenty thirteen and when he was introduced in as comes on. It's Kinda then recognize that to the point system has.
Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets
"I don't know how much derby influence this feels can have. But I'll tell you what I think. There are some really nice horses in here. That WanNa do this one turn mile and see if maybe one of them can Can Get the job done and move forward on that Derby trailing. Yeah Yeah I think it's a pretty nice field You know may not be an contain any derby contenders like you said but you know. I certainly think they're handful in here. Who are going to make this an entertaining an interesting race. The one I could see four or five of them winning. It's one where he'd probably end up having a spread but there were of them that I was kind of interested in You know what a horse that. I'm pretty fond of the Montauk traffic. I like young horses. Who are able to overcome adversity. And that's exactly what. This horse did First Time that was just Don't know what happened. She dwelt early and he did. And that was the end of it from the rail in the slop at Laurel you toss that race and and I mean he did exactly what you want a prospect to stretching out prospect to do he was able to sit able to make a run and pass runners and he was impressive in both of his next two wins the maiden when Downstairs in the and the Wingfield win. Also at seven eighths Settled inside didn't have a problem kicked out and And was able to run away from his competition. So I I don't think a mile Distance will be much of a problem for him. I just don't know how much upside he really has. You know. He's a gritty horse and He's one that I wanNA use but the one who I'M GONNA put on top of the three wars stop or I love the way that he improved. First Time in Blaker is just second time on dirt last time here at the The Mile trip here and act when I turned in a big beyer speed figure went right to the front And just kept on going. I think he is one that I want to keep an eye on moving forward. I think he'll be a decent prospect stretching out to to turn on the on the dirt and I'm GONNA give shops go right from his maiden win to Earning grade three status here in the In the Gotha. Yeah. I'm definitely. He's my topic as well. I'm a big fan of wall stopper. I liked what I saw from him. First Time Out Less time out rather when he got the meeting win. First Time blinkers. I should say now. That was a big effort. Thought Mischievous Alex might have some distance limitations. But it's hard to argue. How good he's been in his last two starts. Since his trainer John Service added the blinkers to his repertoire. I don't think six does without a chance from an ever Keough. Sauna current one turn mile. Got The goose ca pedigree on the bottom. I don't know how far this was gonna WanNa go with the one turn. Mile shouldn't be a problem and Necker island Friday he won going a mile in the slop. At Churchill downs just stopped got out running swell last time. The miles should be more to his Liking as he's already won distance and we'll see him. I under neath. I think it's wide open. I think war stopper shows up. They're all running the second money. I'm a big fan of his An of all these sources. I think him He's probably the one most likely to move on the Derby Trail. Regardless of what happens tomorrow. He can get beat tomorrow and maybe still move forward. I'd like to see him win But if he got beat I'd still think he can be contender. Might be the only one more stop for both of us in the grade. Three three hundred thousand dollar.
San Felipe, Santa Anita Handicap
"All right here we go. We're back on racing down today. Episode Number Fifty. We got a lot of stuff to get to today. Three fifty three fifty point preparations on the docket for this week. In one hundred Fifty Kentucky Derby points up for grabs three more horses will be on their way to Churchill. Downs weekend. There's also a bunch of other stakes around the country this weekend most notably the grade. Santa Anita Handicap. So we'll get to all those book. I we gotta get to the action from this past weekend in Saudi Arabia and the conversation is coming up at. I've seen it come up in multiple different areas is about the winner of the Saudi. Maximum Security You know that is probably the most the Kentucky Derby incident and you know. I'M NOT GONNA come on here and you know say that the Saudi Cup has anything to do with the decision that was made at Churchill. Downs or anything like that or argue that the disqualification now because he's one twenty million dollars. Saudi Cup shouldn't happen I I am not gonNA come on here. Make that argument I just off you know really looking at it. It's unfortunate that happened because maximum security is really just such a tough horse. And you know there's not enough good things you can say about maximum security and you know that raise really showed that maximum security is one of the best horses in the world and obviously right now. The leader of the pack in the United States for older horse. Right now and be really cool to see this horse competing for your old year and you know depending on where he goes from here. Obviously you know. They already mentioned that. He's not going to Dubai. But just where MAC security goes from. Here I'm excited to see that. And what he has in store you know. I'm sure Eric will have some of his things. Say about maximum security. But that's something not lost museum. Fortunate -ness of the disqualification at the Kentucky Derby. Because you know this is a really really fantastic horse for sure. I mean he's slowly and steadily starting to shed that tag of being the Horse Sector disqualified from the Kentucky Derby even though it will always remember that way. If you were to continue what you did last weekend easily going to be more remembered as one of the better horses heading into this decade in this early part of the century the obviously he's now ten million dollars in earnings in at this stage career. It's only getting go go higher. It'll be interesting to see where he gets brought back. I met in. Saratoga is kind of the midseason point. Four the connections there But honestly I think he's already cemented. His legacy added great horse. Just you know like cigar did way back when of when he won the inaugural Dubai World Cup. Maximum security is going to be able to say the same thing for the Saudi Cup where he'd be a really good group of Horses. I might add Definitely was not lighten any sense I think every horse for the most part Ranta form in the Saudi Cub ibew. Probably the biggest surprise people contend but definitely not be By a quarter of a lengthy Iran. Huge She's also in so many other horses from the race but maximum security Kind of a rough trip was definitely a target especially for teas on Mutual Gustavo. Louisa has had to get created down the stretch. But you work down in that. Horses has tons and tons of heart. I don't really know I've seen a horse. Who Does Not WanNa let him worse by like maximum security does. It's quite impressive. How this works bears down to every time he races and I just think I I I think we all know. He's in pre twenty twenty if he stays healthy yeah. That was another thing that I didn't quite get that opening. Bid Is the fact that you know. Maximum security did all that won the race while Iran Ortiz was basically writing interference. I made the comment to Eric Baxter. Excuse jokers still out there kind of looked like a NASCAR and now you can say all you want about. How you know. Probably wasn't the best rider. You didn't have good character of Iraqis. I thought it was a good strategy on his part to do what he could to be. Maximum security obviously probably definitely in this country If he would probably would have been disqualified but I thought it was good on his part to do his best to win. Win The race. And try to keep maximum-security away because I don't think I if you run that race normally maximum-security just goes by with the rules over there. They run category One rules which unlike in America the disqualification rules are if you preventing a worse from running their best race. You get disqualified. There is. That's worse when when you run interference or not so if mutual Gustavo Iraqis does dat but the horse wins by Lincoln half. It's not a problem. Give what was within the rules so it was a good ride? Bhai Iran It was definitely a little malicious. I certainly Jason Service not lease with IRA. Teaser was on the first things. He made a comment about after the race. In the in an interview shortly after On national television I might add But at the same time that's I mean the races aren't one you know like a track meet where you can necessarily go between the lane. This horse racing and that kind of stuff can fly to an extent maybe a little over the edge. I think especially when acting security job inside. I really started to hurt an inside but I was happy that I read never intentionally drew contact although he was doing some blocking like you said NASCAR ask He never intended to make contact which I think was probably the safest thing and when he when he knew the horses about to go by he kind of backed off on trying to get through so are running more interference so while maybe was maybe a little militias It definitely was good race riding on his part all right so that. That's it for this stuff with the Saudi Cup Stripping back over Cross sees out before we get to the Kentucky Derby and Kentucky Oaks preparations that you want to highlight a Horse Zulu al folk who is turning into his own. You know I will highlight at about this point last year. This is were bricks and more bricks and mortar was not not saying that Zulu Alpha is going to be the next bricks mortar. Or anything like that. But you know he could do similar things to where it's very likely he's going to do similar things to what bricks and mortar didn't very likely that this is probably the top tier force in the United States. This year. You know at this point last year. Bricks and mortar was a great one Winnipeg World Cup turf and and then he had a great to race. I believe it was either at fairgrounds are one of the tracks Louisiana so to this point Zulu Alpha grade one winner Pegasus World Cup turf now. He's agreed to winner The Mac Ramadan down at Gulfstream. This past weekend. I think Zulu Alpha's in for a really strong really really strong two thousand twenty Keep your eye on him. Come for race like the turf classic the Kentucky Derby Undercard. That's where I would him go but not saying Zulu Alpha is an expert in order. But I'm not saying that he isn't either into Rena. Bricks and mortar was able to have consistent success last year is because all the worst is behind him weren't consistent. I mentioned on the show last week. That Group of forces that Zulu Alpa was facing. He actually used to be a part of that group they never were able to consistently put together strong back. That rates it's bricks. Mortar took it to a new level. Easily able to string together back Multiple consecutive good races in a row. And that's what God in his horse of the year title. And if these keep going the weather going is do. The wealth is going to be able to do the same thing last year Even though I was Kinda surprised after neier introduced the Turks Trinity Series that no horse really emerged from that as premier career force and to be chair. I mean we see that with Dirt horses as well on the on the Derby trail. They don't always shape out after the triple crown trail to be good and that kind of creates inconsistencies in the handicapped division like we saw maybe back Towards the end of maybe before the end of two thousand seventeen that you're got stronger as it went on but nevertheless China look into Alpa. Maybe like an expert in order. I wouldn't be surprised because once again the turf division isn't strong and If I'm going to throw one out there vitality is probably the best grass three year old male out there And I know. The connections are keen. Distract him out so he could be wanted content we know. He has loads talent. So at this point Zulu Alpha is primed at least stay home maleter force because so far. There are no challengers within a mile oven.
Racing Without Gambling
"I'm guessing you've heard of the Kentucky Derby Abi to this race that's run usually early in May we haven't yet talked about the Kentucky Derby this year but that's about to change as we're finally starting to get into rounds of prep races that will winnow the field down to twenty for the run for the roses on May the second so to help us do that. We bring in voice. We haven't heard on this show for too long and and that's Jonathan Listener who writes for horse racing nation. Welcome back Jonathan. So before we get into a few specific horses. WHO's impressed you the most so far on the triple triple crown trail? I think Dennis moment to start the list. Dentists moment strikes to lead right at the top of the stretch at Delta. Two lanes lead our three lately for the final final furlong. Dennis this moment with five length lead scabbard with clear sailing up the second but Dennis moment kicks off the road at the Kentucky Derby in a big way. He barely moved a muscle. That we we have it. RESTRAINING NATION DOT COM user generated Kentucky Derby contender rankings and despite his trouble that experience career dentist moment has not left that number. One spot. You talking about a grade three winner. Who was going to be the favourite the Breeders Cup Juvenile L. Stumbles out of the gate? You know he could be undefeated if you look back at his debut he lost his jockey was really no fault zone so he has the two losses and between between them. He's sandwich to really really nice. Looking victories including his debut at Ellis Park they won by like nineteen and a quarter lengths. I think it was so there's a lot of potential there and he's one that I feel like every once in a while you hear about a derby prospect before they make their debut and then we kind of latch onto them I wanna say it was probably roadster roadster last year because Baffert said he could be his next justify American Farrow and obviously it didn't work out there but they'll Romans has talked up Dennis's moment since before he he ran a race. And so we're we're kind of going to the same thing here As far as a couple of other runners eight rings also out of the Breeder's cup juvenile. He's a really interesting. One didn't really run his race. You know the last time we saw him but I think the way he's going to be handled this season. You have to keep paying attention trained by Bob Baffert. He's he's GonNa run him in the rebel at Oaklawn. And then the Arkansas Derby potentially there as well and then another one that you know kind of on the fence about that you know. He's got a lot of towns. Is Max `field scratched from the Breeders Cup Juvenile. He had a little bit of an issue. There it turns out we found out a couple of weeks after that that he had had a minor surgery for a bone chip. But he's not even in serious training now. Well he's he's he's apparently galloping No works yet and so I think they'll have to do the to A. Ah kind of schedule where you hope to get race out of them and then you have a more serious race which I would expect to be something like the blue grass stakes if everything works out well and he's undeniable town. I'm and I think he's GonNa win a major race somewhere down the road. I don't know if it's going to be the Kentucky Derby and then the other one I feel like it's gotten all the conversation is independence hall at at Independence Hall now makes his move. Independence Hall is the leader getting away to lead by two prints of Pharaohs has moved up on the outside. It's Bourbon Bay Independence All L. linked and a half as they come for the quarto prints of Pharaohs on the outside Bourbon Bay. It is independence hall with the lead and now a furlong to the finish Jose Ortiz showing them the whip now goes to work on independence hall. WHO has a three likely? Just a sixteen to the finish at. It's the constitution called Independence Hall. Tailwind Jerome by four Knights won the national stakes by open links came back and won the jerome. It was a little more workmanlike. But he's going to go. Oh into the new year here as another one of the favorites and if I could talk about one more that has sort of attracted my attention a little bit. It's this ancient warrior horse. I don't know what his path is going to look like. He's Jerry Hall android or for trainee. And if you follow racing at all the last year or so. You'll know that. He's SORTA become embattled. Dan from the strike. Group's tracks out in California But I of all these horses that have won maiden races and we'll be going to the stakes. I want to watch that one closely. He's moved him over to Oakland Park. We should see him in an allowance. Race coming up at the beginning of February and then from then on he should be on the Derby trail else. That's one that that I definitely want to see more of well. You mentioned Bob Baffert. And it's tough to talk about the Kentucky Derby Trail Without Bob Baffert and he has a lot more than the one you mentioned. There's thousand words who ran a big race in the low sal futurity. I'm a Roger Federer Fan but you have to give it up for an doll who is also ambassador trainee. Who looked really really good? So I mean you know Bob Baffert certainly knows how to get horses to the Derby mean how many of these prospects aspects of pan out. I see a path for all of them. To be honest. You know and we also have mentioned authentic. It's still authentic coming to the three the eight ball. He's been in control throughout leads by a length and a half to uncaptured hero. It's all authentic as they pass the quarter pole and turned for home authentic and complete Khaliq Command turning it on. He's in front by sex with a furlong left to go. Zimba Warrior and Assault Coast as authentic is putting on a show. Here is a little green gene shifting about but long gone authentic strolls home in the sham. He'll win by about eight lakes green. It's Grafton stretch and just kept going there and another extremely impressive Horse Nidal I. I wonder about him a little bit. You know we've only seen him one time on Sunday and that six and a half for a long race he he looks like Dortmund Ortmann if you go back to two thousand fifteen big horse. That wasn't extremely fast out of the gate but once he got into stride he went straight to the pace and never really let up there. Yeah it's not not really the kind of horse you want to win the Derby but I think you could get to the Derby and then thousand words certainly has every reason to move forward his last race. I think they had probably a little bit the too much blinker on him and he ended up going head to head with that no door that ran in the Breeders Cup juvenile second. I think it's SORTA legitimize both of those horses that they ran so closely in the future. But I think thousand words is probably at least a couple of lengths better then a no door. He just probably didn't see him in the stretch until Flavian Kinda guided him out and it's like Oh with the blinker. The horse realized he had something to run against a win on. So I guess when you talk about horses that I'm looking at in the new year. Thousand Words is definitely on that shortlist list to Jonathan Listener of racing. Nation is with us here on the gate. We've talked a little bit about the Breeders Cup juvenile which was a topsy turvy race. You had three big horses that we've mentioned into all had their problems that day. We haven't talked about the horse. Who Wanted Storm the court for trainer Peter Martin and that would be a very popular win in the racing business? As you know what chance do you give storm the court to back up what he did in the juvenile. Oh probably not much not a lot of black type in the family. I'm not sure if there's any black type from Stanley I'd agree wise. And then you know he was obviously the beneficiary of other horses stumbles in that race You Know He. He goes gate to wire was not really pressed a whole lot and at the same time. I think they took the blinker. They put their blinkers on. I'm sorry and I have not a fan of lemon. That put blinkers was on a horse at that point in their career. I feel like you should be taken them off so that they can relax. Prepare to go a little bit longer. I think that race and the circumstances just all all came together for storm the court and allowed him to upset that race. It's forty five to one. Whatever he ended up that day I'm sort of in agreement? I think with everybody else that the the the better Derby Derby prospect was no door and second in that race going forward. I want to mention because these races have just happened. Enforceable label for Mark Cassie. Who is not missed? A beat after a son norm went out on his own. He had been his father's chief assistant and enforceable. Really good winning the Lecomte. But we haven't seen too many Lecompte winners. Go on to run well in the Kentucky Derby. Where do you put me as a tap it colt out of a dixie union in marriage? The breeding is good. I put him a really high on my list. As far as forces will be in the Derby but I would not put him on my list of forces that I think can win the Derby and I say that because of his running style you know if we go back to almost every year that the point system has been effect and obviously gets rid of those pure your sprinters. It's the horses that can put themselves near the front at the beginning of the race and keep that pace up and never be caught by closers that tend to win the Derby enforceable enforceable is one of those closers. It's inevitable that he's GONNA run into traffic problem you know. I almost hope he sneaks into the Derby and everybody overlooks. Because I feel like he's the kind of horse could come into the super factor. That's probably going to be a really common line of thought. Though I mean I'm thinking a few months out but the soup perfect You know in the era of a favorites winning the Derby is as remain because it's pretty high minimum of really profitable wager for people nonetheless so yeah for me. He's a super effective player. I I I think he's GonNa be okay as the distance is longer obviously is a full brother Mohammed and a half years day. There's a lot there in the pedigree just really impressive on paper and it was good to see him run as well as he did you know He. He broke his maiden at nine furlongs last summer at Saratoga and it looks like okay. Here's a real two year old and I you know he ran into you. Go into a little bit shorter and the breeder security at keeneland and Max field because two things came together and got him beat but he's definitely better horse than he showed that day and it was good to see him back it up the trump
"derby trail" Discussed on Blinkers Off
"Yeah surely didn't say drunk right knowing. Okay if he did this. My new favorite guy is county is anyway I'M GONNA go with Sorry okay I will do them. Yeah I'M GONNA go. Sorry that's lame one but I know yeah. I'm sorry yeah and I certainly have to thank you first of all the leaders of the horse and it's tongue and let's see. I'm confused bread now so that's weird. It needs to be a longer bleed. Yeah I was I. He's so confused. Didn't think you'd think but also kind of wondering we don't watch it obviously right. He's like why I don't. I don't really hard time. Having a hard time. With that have been drunk. He may have been drinking. Wish you would have said it all right if we ever winning eclipse for anything. Let's get really hammered before we go up there and of course. Okay all right. Let's go to the next. Winter is parameters race. Okay okay we know who that is this John. Not only trains are horses. He trained the horrendous family. How To be good owners and good stewards of this. Great Sport are joke at the racetrack. Is John doesn't tell me how to grow. I don't tell him how to train. Nurses.
Derby season breaks fast
"Many of the horses that are Derby hopefuls are getting ready to embark upon that road to Churchill downs. Chance at doing. Just that later today in the Macho Macho showman for our good friend. That's trainer Saffy. Joseph Junior who is with me now here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Saffy. Good morning it might Good how about that call chance it big big win. Last time out he was that was the first time going to turns. And obviously the right way the way you want to do it and hopefully they can have a repeat performance about today. Yeah what makes him so impressive to you saffy. If he just carries himself watch him breezing work and he just he has a different going. I don't know that this guy just almost like he votes oats and doesn't seem very rarely. Do we begin to blow even worked some quick times and you never really young to blow. It is a good thing means that uh normally you. You've got a lot more stuff. What of the past couple of months been like for him? He hasn't been out since that win. On September twenty eighth. So what did they been like for him. Yeah initially ever had decided to skip the British back off them. Then we're we had thought about going to the Jockey Club and he got AH virus. I missed it a long time so it changed I mean we wrote it to the race. Remedying the springboard mile but they had to quarantine and we wrong to that race with two Corinthian run homerun allowed to go. 'cause we wouldn't be able to come go stream so then. The next plan was the Moocher match marriage right now. Eastern forty cents seems to be in good form orm looks well and obviously coming off layoffs. I'm facing there's some there's some quality and also that's never know how tight you have them. What we think we got him? Yeah every year when we start seeing the newly turn three year olds make their their first start of the new season we hear that the adage that you know those couple of months from say September October to January can be huge in terms of the physical and the mental all development for these young horses. So compare what you see from chance it today on January fourth compared to what you saw back at the end of September definitely much more relaxed and his works before he wanted to go go now we. We've been giving them targets and he'll he'll sit back and he'll wait for the Q.. And you'll go times go. That's an attribute that he needs to. You'll need to how as a racist got software needs to relaxing and listening to the right around the right asking for that Cinco. Fleeing the writer wants to go so I think that's the biggest developmentally show before early in his career. He playful you'll go on and on but he's all business on the Tran. I think he's mature and more money to lead the biggest aspect in that sense learning to do things the right way and he's always been impressive. He's always he has not laterally talent raw. Tyler there's a lot of calendar he's learned to control yen. He's always been forwardly. Placed in in all of his career starts yes. I don't think he's been worse than third. And that was in his debut when he was Kinda shuffled back a little bit that day He likes to be up close to the pace. Is that what you expect from them again. Today today yeah I think just you just have the naturally high cruising speed that he doesn't need to be on the leader but he just he just naturally five he puts himself a good spot on today. Hopefully gets whoever in their cleanly and liquor is going putting needs to be post time for the Macho Macho Jomon Gulfstream four thirty eastern. It will no doubt go a little bit later than that. Probably low closer to five o'clock by the time they run it but Yeah a big big moment moment for chance. It and we'll see if he can maybe put himself on that Derby trail. Do you look at him right now. Saffy as a horse that is that is a legit Derby Derby contender or do you still have things that that you need to see from him. y'All ability I think he's one of the Best Ryozo there but it's easier. US hasn't done and he's going to have to prove each so for me. I always wanted to prove it before you could speculate but definitely derby driven at the moment. He has a tolerant. We think I think that's essentially a seems like there's no Allenton so I definitely think we're definitely Dermot dreaming but one step at a time and today they will give us a good indication of Iraq.
Jon White, Jeremy Plonk
"The John White Theme Good Morning Good Morning Steve What that song reminds me that after the holiday week of racing insane the need the last two yesterday one of the things I have to do today is change order boxes so it we did have holiday raising I really haven't talked much about yesterday of course the colon for McLaughlin and the Knickerbocker I needed did not have steak action but on Saturday and the staff the CAL distaff just grazed me Nick Alexander there is again can't say no and Giovanni Franko for Phil D'Amato and then Likud won the Nokia on Sunday Peter Miller do but really I think honestly the most important performance of the weekend it's Anthony's gotta be honore p very impressed of wind and of course anytime I see on spring of Hollywood story I immediately think Hollywood story in the U. R. and looks like Hollywood story multiple grade one winner has produced a very nice two year old here orig- alling by honor code a grandson of Eight the and the and boy you know I was extremely impressed with that debuted run sprinting boy you could just really see the tip of the iceberg there and they took their time with him didn't rush him back off and stretched out which it looked like was is GonNa be something that he would really like and I was really impressed by the fact that in his debut he was so far back early this time he came out of that gate and came out very nicely very professionally really and it looked heading into that clubhouse turn Smith really would've preferred not to even beyond the lead but he couldn't help but that honor ap just wasn't like he was dragging in there or anything but Smith wasn't going to restrain them to take after lead and for him to come home as nicely as he did I mean he just drew off so beautifully in the lane and gets a ninety one so he goes from a seventy-seven debut to a ninety one Steve Anderson and the racing form does such a good job Reporting that I once did here in southern California for the D. R. F. He pointed out that that was the fastest time twelve racers at the meeting one mile on the main track so far as ours the Rod Time One thirty seven point ninety four so you had mentioned text immediately after the race you thought would the Los Alamos dirty make cents Steve Anderson also reported that that that is exactly a race that they are contemplating for honor AP and they did say no Breeders Cup for AP so they are thinking of the Los Alameda teary just seemed to fit wonderfully from a timing standpoint and they're racist really been so good through the years as a springboard into three year old campaign so it looks like really bright future here for trainer John Sheriff as one of the best trainers I've ever been around and it looks like he's going to be really primed on the Derby trail here with honor. AP Well we talked last week to John and I I've actually I'm kind of glad that we connected weeks after my initial I think it was in September at the end the Dell Mark I reached out to John a couple of times and we just didn't connect and and so then then that morning last week these he responded he said sorry okay all right if you insist and who is tremendous and he's he's you know it's funny there's there's there's so many of the horsemen visits that always seem to resonate and John's a on that front shug how about Barclay tag last week too me Barkley I thought was really informative and insightful ban that was just fantastic and another you know to me positive sign coming away from this Andre p performance you know that was pretty highly regarded race and terms of prospects there's magician finished second for Richard Mandella and you look at it and say well yeah he got his clock cleaned getting beat by a little over five lengths batismal suggestion was over ten lengths in front of the third place finisher night race and as I say it was not considered a week race going into it so it's just further evidence Inste- to me that what we very well are dealing with here with this honor Api just he he's he's the kind the two year old to me that it's just so exciting yeah now this is what this is what we're after a you know once the summer and they start to they start to parade through we get to this juncture and it starts to get you know starts to get interesting we from standpoint John I I one other thing I think I I'll slip any or as I look at yesterday's results the the natural the hat trick for Doug O.`Neil yesterday the fifth sixth and seventh race and for those that heard me last week I think on Friday I'll just keep reiterating that Doug O'Neil deserves the absolute two hundred percent support and appreciation of the industry a he more than any one individual from a from within the industry has been leading this you know these these proactive don't WanNa call them protests so much as considerations and rallies before big days at at del Mar and at Santa Anita and With the help of Oscar dilatory I I cannot congratulate and and voice enough support for what got is is doing and so for him to be rewarded On the Karma Front as as hammer famously refers uh-huh King and the Good Karma swinging around the Doug Right now also got a mention it looks like a step forward it a for a three year old Samantha Segel's Quality Road Philly that was bred by Martha Mohammed that's Road Ranger looking for sure in that race and you mentioned neil you know he's always been such a terrific ambassador for our game honestly you know you think of the controversy that was involved back in the day without having another in he handled all that I thought extremely well heading to the Belmont and Gee what a disappoint many and I really think I'll have another I had a fee after the Kentucky Derby I bet on him to win the Belmont stakes in a proposition in Vegas where they say will there be a triple crown winner yes or no and this was before the preakness but it was after the Derby and he was such a low lightly regarded horse he in fact he of course wasn't even the favourite in the preakness boaty meister was and then headed to the Belmont was the most lying favorite union rags who won the race but considering the final time and so forth I just really feel if I'll have another had had his chance if he would have won the Belmont but well never know that but like I say such a disappointment and both Doug O'Neill and already handled that with such class and You know I remember being up at Emerald downs in the early two thousands for the lawmakers Mile Pacific Northwest West major race and I was there to do the the Fox North West Telecast along with Joe with the and and others and I remember that Doug O'Neill was sending up a horse from southern California for the race by the name of Scott Hi Jack had actually he won the race broke the track record and Doug O'Neill actually gave me the two French shoes that skyjacked war in that race and but I remember the people at Emerald the in the publicity department especially saying do you know this Doug O'Neill from southern California said well yes of course I do they said what kind of guy is he I said believe me by the time he leaves here are you everyone here at Emerald will love this guy
At the Races With Nick Tammaro
"Churchill getting started would bind with they're the first really too big weekends they also course got the international later in the meet later in the fall and and that brings in some international shippers this woodbine mile just the mile either northern dancer the more you look at it. I thought was was was intriguing and there's plenty of other a lot of stars on the card including Holy Khaleda and pink Loyd. WHO's I I for a horse? That's one like twenty seven in a row. Nobody seems the talk about him or pay much attention to him. Bob Tillers streaking sprinter and here's a streaking sprinter victim Rio depends on where the sprint destination is. I think might Tapei at times but shop racing form a yes to the windows. Definitely Pink Floyd is is really sort of a marvel in terms of how he's performed well routinely I of course needed him to at least be third in this race last year in the contest and finished fifth so the pink floyd stop it will be nowhere near Wreck Stale Ontario and so his chances tomorrow we'll probably increase exponentially. He's in the early. They put the bold venture early on the card actually in fact when I went to the stakes together and put them up Derby Trail Oh. I didn't even look that that early on the card so I didn't even have to go back in fact I don't know if I did go back and put it up but there are a couple couple of very nice horses here including Carlin's honor the Jack Oxley Breezy York good old Yordan approaching half a million dollars for a chiefs would and Stewart Simon you know a lot of your a lot of your local players in the sprint scene but pink Cloyd is now twenty one twenty six and it really was late last year September October that he started to show some some frings signs of tiring and Kinda sputtered out at the end of the year could. Could he be beaten in here. I don't think so no it looks like he's he's back where he needs to be and I don't really know I guess other than Caroline's honor who's supposed to be particularly big threat to him in the spot so he he should get the job done. I mean it's always nice to see good. Horses do Well York than obviously was in much better form coming into this last year having run a good second pink Floyd Royd individual and and that was also during a period of time where pink floyd was having a really hard time getting out of the gate so he's a little ornery for a seven year old gelding and he had a little bit gate trouble really about four or five races in a row going into last year's bold venture he he's not he still not they really particularly the obedient or when it comes to getting out of the gate or being trained for it but he's definitely a little bit better spot with that right now so I think given that he's he's inform and should be sitting right off of the of the pace. If you worked in may be line to the front end. I think he should be okay before we talk about the Canadian the end the grade to which does start the cross country and will incorporate the pebbles and the nightcap at Belmont Nixon thoughts about last week at Belmont. We talked about this Jockey Club Derby and oaks and the Grand Prix. I talked to Andy on Tuesday. The Grand Prix was oddly contest than I thought but some some quick hits on opening the opening salvos at Belmont. I guess guess I'll try and keep it as charitable as possible. Given I took my shots at it last week but I think they played out largely. How we expected decide thought was a pretty impressive winner of the Jockey Club oaks overcoming? I think by all counsel was a pretty negative pace setup and winning is much the best running down Wonderman who I thought probably got a little bit more the run of the race and the American contingent as we expected in that race as well as the Jockey Club Derby were pretty much no shows and it could also be that the American continuing is pretty thin out by now. We'll talk about the pebbles and a little bit but the pebbles is going to be the ninth race for one hundred thousand dollars or more for three year olds fillies on turf going back to June sixth six and that's insane so the ranks of American horses that are ready to go a mile and three eighths early in September. We're really not very not very robust and and that proved out on the lady side and I thought Spanish mission I I actually thought he was totally out of position and thought that he was about to have a Jamie Spencer Special before he was able to overcome it and get the job done so a little bit. I know that the horse was capable of overcoming his writer. I I would imagine he he should be one of the better distant sources that we could potentially see over here next year given that he's going to be off now until the spring and there's just obviously connections that have problems shipping over the Grand Prix North American Jockey Club invitational brought to you by whatever most pretentious name of all time that was one of the most oddly run races I've ever seen first of all. I don't know how the hell everybody knew. Marconi was winning that race for fun and then to watch the riders of both realm and roaming union gather a hold of their horses so strongly almost as if they were waiting for Marconi to catch up and take the lead after he blew the break so that he could go one sixteen flat it was basically sort of the epitome of what we complain about left and right about American American dirt racing right now and you know in this day and age of sort of turf occasion of American racing where everybody points to turf races races are run like turf races. It's almost as if one horse makes the lead all the other guys say okay well. They're the pacesetter we're just GONNA go ahead and sit back and wait for them to come back to us and the majority of the time on the dirt that just doesn't happen even so shockingly Marconi was able to set a pedestrian pace and and went on with it and I I obviously would not have been a big fan of his at the price he went off often. We talked about how it looked like a bit more competitive race on paper the other todd pletcher trainee your to blame. I thought ran pretty well. He was able to stop the pace on the inside but you know I don't y horse like roaming union was in there if he wasn't GonNa GonNa contest the pace especially given that he's from connections like Michelle Navin who generally have a pretty decent idea how to win dirt racist so that was is a little bit of a head scratcher. you know look my personal opinion is that if there's any thought given to this turf triple. I really hope that same amount of money is committed to a dirt program and trying trying to incentivize horsemen to get there and run on dirt more frequently really try and build up the claiming ranks again because it's kind of embarrassing through the first three days of racing. I'm I'm sorry through the first three days of Racing Belmont there were seventy eight horses total entered to run on dirt and there are over seventy eight horses enter to run dirt in the first day at Churchill so I if the same number number of races and and that's that's not good. That's a big big problem that creates a big problem in the winter so that's my hope for it as it is. I guess we'll see probably a little bit better from Spanish mission in the Diese Lisa next year well we turn to Belmont today and into the weekend a couple of very good maiden races actually as part of that card and maybe we'll touch on them but let's let's look at the cross country pick five and it is comprised of of the three three of the stakes would bind the Canadian the mile and the northern dancer that you know you the top of your head. You wouldn't have thought it the three of them were as complex as actually I think they are and then the pebbles and the turf sprint claiming nightcap the eleventh at Belmont so let's start with the Canadian you know this is an interesting field the and really they'll competition. Idea should probably go off a pretty solid favorite. I don't really see how tactically you could make a real stand with her and she's a horseshoe. Obviously needs to lay back and make one run and you know those types generally at the mercy of the pace and this race does not look like it's going to have really any pace speak of so so she's going to have to overcome that now. I will say that you'll Rosario getting back on board to me feels like a very good thing. It does seem like she's just a little bit better horse when he's John Her but now the flip side of that is that we know Joel style. He's GonNa take her back and let her make one run so I mean they're they're going to. There's going to have to be some pace in here that you can't really foresee and I guess the hope is that Dixie moon and or starship do believe maybe show a little bit more speed than they have before. That's if you're back competition of ideas with any great fervor because obviously what this is shaping up as a situation where Holy Helena has a big tactical advantage on the other favorite and and she's been effective at Woodbine in the past. You look good winning the dance smartly last time Jimmy was giving a little bit of time since and I think she's a horse that that will really get the run of the race and and that's GonNa make her toffee. This could be a situation where on your your pick five. You're really leaning on those two pretty heavily and maybe you could give a little bit of a nod holy Helena on one one more additional ticket. I did want to try and make a case for to Riga and my hope is the Tyler Galileo. Maybe a little bit more aggressive with her than Johnny. Velazquez was was last time he finished just length and a half behind the competition of ideas did get into a little bit of trouble amazingly. She got into trouble in the three-horse rates which it happens of course and with a little bit cleaner run maybe second off the off the layoff off the ship in we can see some improvement grim oceans been a little the little laid back with her she she ran on July twentieth didn't work until August thirty first but might be one of those horses that can stay fit without doing that. I I'm always very very in tune and was looking at his horses in these kind of scenarios as they they generally overperform relative to their odds so I'm GonNa go ahead and include Theresa's well the and will include could starship jubilee more than likely those two has backups because I think they each offers some appeal at what should be better prices than the two chalks should note that ah Jimmy Jerkins after sending Holy Elena opt for the dance smartly basically is as left her there and oh my Gosh the stronach trainer but my Woodbine what is yes thank you Mike Doyle. Mike Doyle has been handling and Jimmy is on TV with seth deny after after precision is one and he told the story about Jimmy said he got the notification is it is stable mail all that Holy Helena had worked Labor Day weekend and so gets the notice he opens it up and Airy Jerry Sees Holy Elena six longs one eleven and three Jimmy said got on the phone to this is Mike what's going on up there and he said I really don't worry though or she did it easy. Did it easy the track was the polly was slick. It was cold or whatever yeah what eleven at three and you know what I did. I brought up with Jimmy that great story that is his father told about Bo purple and going out to Hawthorn for the Hawthorne Gold Cup on Tuesday the race as was Saturday and on Tuesday he gets a call from a Chicago sportswriter and said Jerkins. I wanted to ask you for comment about outvote purples work and said what about it. He says well he he he went a mile in one thirty. Two and three Korea broke the track record or mile. I think he went to violent at eight and broke the track record. What what forty seven forty six shades or something and and and Jerkin said you know? I'm sure he'll be fine and sure enough. He went out and won the Gold Cup but that was funny. One one eleven and three
In The Gate #416 - Mining for a Gem
"Away. Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. Kelly. Rube is not the first person we've ever interviewed on this show who earned a master's degree but decided to train horses. Instead, she is however, the only one who gave up an academic career to hunt foxes now, she has a formidable Preakness contender always mining. We'll talk with Kelly rudely. Plus, it's time for a refresher on how stewards interpret the whole d Q rule. I'm guessing, you know, why? And we're going to do something. We've never done before on this show. We're going to go through some Twitter chatter. That's spewed out after the you know what? And what it means for the sport going forward? Stay in your lane or you'll be disqualified from listening to this show. The about to be IRAs. Off. This is in the gate ESPN's. Thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on Twitter at be Abrams boys or on Facebook at Barry Abrams, boys. You can also get us on our YouTube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can get us on soundcloud as well yet us at the. I tuned store or tune in dot com. You can get us on that little pink pod catcher app on your phone. You didn't even know you had. And now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN app for the full in the gate experience of scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN app. Welcome back your dreams where your ticket out. Those were the opening lines of the legendary nineteen seventies TV show. Welcome back kotter where the main character played by Gabe Kaplan returns to his New York City high school to become a teacher. Our next guest has done the reverse Kelley rube. We grew up loving horses and upstate New York grew up to become a middle school science teacher and then left. That stable career to return to the stables on TV, Mr. Qatar dealt with a group of teenage guys who seemed comically incapable of maturing into adults Kelly rudely now a thoroughbred trainer has an equine version of a teenager as three year olds in the spring, basically are, but this guy has done some growing up in the last few months, always mining. We'll have to make a three wide bid and he's willing to do. It always finding up to try for gold as Zinni off the scene now in position less than three alongs to go and always mining now in front from try for goal turning for home in Federica Teissier sakes, all ways mining set down and opens up a four length lead on try for goal always mining with a six now a seven Lang lead always mining robbing home past the Laura line and headed to the Preakness always mining comes into the Preakness on a six race winning streak albeit in races. Quite as rigorous as those on the Kentucky, Derby trail, none the less. The three year old gelding is answered the rhetorical question about dreams that you hear on welcome back kotter who'd have thought they lead you back here where we need you and buy back here. We mean to Maryland where Kelly ruble is based at fair hill with a chance to claim one of the American spring classics, and we welcome trainer Kelly ruby here too in the gate. This horse has made twelve starts already maximum security. Maybe you've heard of him has made five including that whole Kentucky Derby thing. The last nine of always mining starts have come in laurel in the last six of those have been wins, all enlisted or overnight stakes. What's been your philosophy on how to bring them along? He he was purchased by my current owners after his maiden win. So he's only been with me since he ran on the grass in Maryland last summer. So, you know, we've kind of just strategically followed the past the Maryland route tickets where we're at today. What mood the light bulb turn on forum last October when this winning streak started? I wish I could answer that. He's always been a very nice horse. I mean anyone is made nicely. I think the goal was always to stretch out. And they were very limited races for two year olds when we ran them on the grass. So after that we also have to just sit tight and wait till they had a route race for us. And obviously he relished the mile you grew up in central New York, which is not exactly horse country. I know I went to Syracuse. What made you even want to get involved with horses up in that perpetual league gray bleak part of the world. I don't know. I guess it was ever since I could walk or talk I'll ever wanted to do with the around horses. So it was just naturally in me. But yes, it was a little limited. I started writing at a quarter horse barn actually started competing on the quarter horse survey doing jumpers and hunters and from there, but an event horse and started shipping down to the Maryland, Pennsylvania area. And that's kind of how I ended up in the air. Area fair hill. But listen to your parents, you earn two master's degrees. Two masters degrees. It became a middle school science teacher. Now, first of all, they're possibly be a more draining job in the world. And being a middle school teacher. I actually really enjoyed that age the students are you know, there's just starting to develop themselves much like a young horse. So I thought they were a lot of fun. But yes, it's exhausting, and it wasn't necessarily something. I could see myself doing in the future. Which is why I went back and got my second masters for administration inside that for three years. And then decided you know, what horses are meant to be. We what happens you were wearing a suit as an administrator and everything and did you just have an piffle. Or was it a gradual thing it was gradual? You know, even when I was teaching. I went into the administration because the fact that I'd already voted so much of my time, and my education towards the education were also what could I do move up the ladder in that respect? So I tried the administrative row and decided that it was just for me it allowed more flexible hours than my current job. But it just wasn't something. I had a passion for jelly rudely. Rainer of Preakness contender always mining. Joining us here on the gate now before you get to fair hill, which you mentioned you leave teaching school for FOX hunting in Pennsylvania. Is that a thing that was just a job to kind of regroup and see what I was going to do with my life. But yes, I was managing harm, and we accented I we didn't really have an opportunity in where I grew up. I never FOX hunted in my life. So it was a unique experience in something that I greatly enjoy. But it also got me my start with Barclay tag here at their hill. How I started galloping for him here. He had a string at fair hill and my gal for him and then eventually moved up to become his assistant. How do you go from FOX hunting and Pennsylvania to fair hill and being an exercise rider? Well, I mean that job was just pretty much to move me to this area to figure out what I was going to do. And that's. When I met Parkway and became an exercise rider for them with the goal that I would eventually become an assistant and kind of learn the horse racing world from the ground up. What did your parents say about what you chosen to do? With those two masters degrees. They were not thrilled. They still think I'm a little nuts. And the fact that you know, I work seven days a week. And I haven't had a day off and many years, but we've had a little bit of success. They're starting to kind of be what my my goal was a long, and they're you know, they're coming around. But still it wasn't ideal in there is at the time. Well in light of that. How nervous will you when you finally decided to go out on your own? I wouldn't say I was nervous. You know? It was a goal, and I like I'm somewhat of a driven person. And so I had a goal. And I knew when I became an assistant as the idea was to learn as much as I could to have an eventual string of my own, and you know, it came around gradually and worked I way into it. And so it was just a natural flow. Really? I'm guessing you're hoping that the success of always mining will lead to more business how big a stable do you have? And how big would you like it to be? I have about forty horses in training right now. We've had more in the past. I'm a very hands on person. I checked every horse's legs every morning. So I don't know how we'd like to go. We'd like to continue to improve the stable and have a nice allowance level stable. So you know, it just depends on I don't know that there's a magic number to stop at. It's just when I feel like I can't stand up everything that I'm going to have to take a minute and relook at it. It is always morning still in control leads almost two legs. From is six furlongs twelve three sixty s lift to go with like the distances. No problem at all. For always finding always minding kept attest opening up a half dozen on Joey his second and tai-bo third. Always mining wants to run all day, always minding to win it by six or so we've talked on this show recently about the stickiness of the future of the Preakness. But considering that always mining. Is one six in a row with loyal race course and made nine of his twelve career starts there. I'm guessing you personally wouldn't be too opposed to running the Preakness there this year. This year. That'd be perfect. That's going to happen. I mean, how concerned are you that he can bring his race track with him? Even though it's still in the state of Maryland. Actually, I think the Tenneco course going to set him up nicely. It's got a nice long stretch. And he just has a very large scale thing stride. So I I I don't see this the track change to be a problem. We're going to have to do it. Eventually, then I'm guessing you don't mind seeing that just about all of the top derby contenders are going elsewhere now that plays well for us, absolutely more. We certainly wish you the best of luck here. Kelly ruby. Thank you so much for sharing a few minutes with us. Thank you. Thank you haven't. We're going to take our first break here on in agape when we come back. It's time to revisit that whole d Q rule and how it's interpreted on guessing, you know, why we need a refresher. So go
"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"Another twist of fate curious one you like that change with cost Alano to is cost one. We're gonna stay on him. Or if he does get into the gate on come may. Or what happens? I just think this just like you said the plan, and you weren't happy about the ride in the someone d'oeuvres even though we get come on home under under twelve seconds. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah. I mean, I I like the change. I, you know, they're they're here to get points. Like Anthony just said you need to use every tool in your arsenal. And I definitely don't think the other Jackie was was poor or you know, made a critical error by any means. But you know, it it's the derby, and, you know, not Castellanos one one of those and who knows where he ends up anyway because he was unbe comas. Well, so that you know, it's another case of a horse could win this weekend and be shopping for Jackie in in a couple of weeks. But you know that short stretch at Keeneland and snow in the other riders. I think it's the right move. When you're pulling out all the stops to get to the derby. And hopefully, the Jackie, you know, back home understand that too. Great guy will think I appreciate it. Thanks for calling. I'll say this when we let you go. But I'm sure you listen off the. Something would have to go terribly long on the Kentucky, Derby trail five-year castle. Wind up on this horse in the Kentucky Derby fence that his horse. But. Too much is open with Todd flushes open. You know, a possibility of bourbon war being opened depending on where rod lands. I don't know. Right. You like this was like the source. I don't like the source. I like him. I mean, my my concern for this week is going to be a super short priced. I mean, I don't know that I love him and the the Lexington, but I'm pretty much needs to win. If he doesn't it's hard to stay belongs in the Kentucky Derby. So it's probably sit sit and watch for me Saturday. You know, my man left a ruse open. I'd love to see him on this horse in the derby. Wow. Call the call in his shot. Yes. Love it it eight six six four seven seven six. He lives in. I don't know. How close we are to the break when we get back. I have a hot take need to get off my chest before we. Let's get the list break out of the way. And we'll have about thirteen minutes left, and we'll take more of your calls, and we'll get these hot take. I don't know if you had a fail. Ferre foul for me. That's kinda gone by the wayside. But we'll see. It's an opinion you could say spare file so beautiful. Well, we'll get to that. When we come back. Eight nine six six.
"derby trail" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast
"You will winning the cop stakes four Mark is on the derby trail now and looking to give Mark eight six starter in the Kentucky Derby, and hopefully his first victory and the first Saturday, but Markel along way to go before we get to that point. What what have you learned over the years from going down that road to the Kentucky Derby about getting a horse ready and getting a horse to peak on that that particular day at Churchill Downs. Interesting because I feel like, of course, we haven't had a lot of success yet in the Kentucky, Derby three or four of them. We ran you know, or were were, you know, real outsiders. I still till the day. I'd I will believe the classic empire was the best horse in the Kentucky Derby, he got wiped out. So I know you have to have a lot of luck. I think out of my six stars three of them have been wiped out in the first hundred yards. So. That's one thing. But I I'm proud. I'm proud of the way if you look going back derby week. If you listen to the Clockers and everything everybody's always said, you know that our horses are doing well. So I'm proud of that, you know, whether they always had the best chances or whether they were good enough. You know that that that was always a question. So what have I learned? I don't know. I I treat the derby one way. But I really don't treat it anyway different than if I'm trying to prepare for something else. I like in. And it's been well noted I like to run I like to get experience I like to get my horses into if if possible about a four week patter. And if we can do that, I just think that's the best way. I think they're healthier. They're fitter I prefer to run than you know, trying trying trying the keeps them interested to right. I think these big. Layup sometimes the horses get bored. Well, in so much, you know, unless you have a justify, or of course, like that. Especially in the Kentucky Derby, you got to have. A lot of experience, and I agree with you. You know, you they do get bored. And I don't know I just find it to be when I can get a horse in that type of pattern it worked for us. And so you'll see me doing, you know, somebody said after the race are you gonna running back in the risen star? And I said, well, of course, I'm you know, as long as he's happy and healthy. We're not we're not gonna we're not gonna be giving any long layoffs. We're not we're going to do it, and you know, even last week, Iran shamrock rose. And then it was said to me about oh, you're running are ready. Well, yeah, I'm going to render I'm gonna I wanna get her into some type of pattern, and the sooner I do that sooner than you know, it sets us up for the year. Mark about two minutes until we have to get to our our next commercial. Break here edging toward the top of the hour here on the client forum. Let's talk about the two horses that you have in the withers today..
"derby trail" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network
"Brought the by. National HP, a we'll have the game builder up at the website and also at derby trail, if you in the mornings, you know, before I post not onto the the at the racist website in the selections room at derby trail is where I'm formulating all the the right up. So you can always early in the morning, you can follow it as I you know, as I get that work done, Nick. I appreciate it. Well done last week. We will see you in Vegas on Wednesday night or Thursday. Sound great Steve safe travels? Good talking to you. Thanks for having me. And I'll see next week you bad have fun tonight with the young lovely and Nick Damrau everybody. Can't be. Let's take a break two hours. Whistle by as expected on this weekend preview with such good racing to discuss and Tom Quigley gonna join us next. And of course, Tom was along with eight newbie administering the Pegasus betting challenge at Gulfstream, but simultaneously they were playing at Santa Anita and unexpressed bet etcetera. So we'll get the quick hit on that. And then dive into opinions from Tom for the rainbow six four Sout at Santa needed tomorrow as well as the stakes and anything else that that the man they call q. Whatever else he's got back after this. And then we'll close out the busy morning with Scully and DeRosa and Mike Welsh stay with. At the rate with feedback on Sirius XM radio there are places where being who you are as a punishable offense. These places have many names, but the ones who flee have. Refugee, and it is in the name of the refugee the highest has dedicated itself for the last hundred and thirty years created in the name of the Jewish people for a half million rescued and resettled so far. Poor. You huddled masses yearning to breathe free. We were the ones at the docks helping them breathe free only. Now, it's a farm for shown from Syria a family from Ukraine. A child from Columbia Christian from Iran. The game from Uganda? Sixty five million soldiers who still under the earth in search sanctuary.
"derby trail" Discussed on Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network
"Com. Email is still active. I still seem to be getting emails on. They're not quite sure why. But if that's easier for you to remember try there but surprised if that one was back. Well, it's a point I curse to me. I don't know how cumbersome it is to change these these Twitter addresses. I know you can change your the moniker in front. It's point Jonathan's going to have to change it to UT, less hair. I know I know it's so it's so for a minute and a half there. He was letting it grow back out, and it all it all worked again. But it, oh, he I I wouldn't be surprised if he if he changes that branding at some point. Then again, it's it's kind of like in the Twitter world, it's kind of cool the disconnect almost works because it's like, oh, he's been on Twitter. A long time. The funny thing the funny thing about those kinds of. Whether it's forums. If you're an online forums that my my trail etcetera people people had these days early on and. Nobody really knew that they were gonna end up having to stick forever. You know? And so you ended up getting certain identities, and whether you started out anonymously, or whether you know, you made it a little bit more apparent and use part of your name. You know, one of my one of the things I've used forever is tied to my business. My my consulting, which is k- seven marketing and bilingual up in Montreal in French was set k seven, and so I I used Cossack ks EP, and that became you know, that that's been that's been kicking around for fifteen plus years more than that actually twenty years. All the mystery for me. About one hundred times that. That comes through. Is in the in the internet world, and these days who who chooses to continue to remain anonymous. I think definitely the cool the cool way to do it. The days is to be right there right there out in the open. But I remember those formed as there was nothing nothing troll ish back in the day and having a screen name. It's what you did. It was just like the culture. Exactly. And the it didn't know that it was going to it was going to stay with your other your your internet life. It's pretty funny. It's there's there's certain ones depending on what that would be actually very funny segment, which is reuniting or or recounting. Those the earliest days of horse racing message board the ones that went way back like there was list and their Cindy. Cindy, Pearson delay and. The old ESPN the origins of sight of derby trail came from the ESPN message board. And had been I'd been planning to to launch derby trail dot com because I started the derby trail. You know, kind of conversation group at Yahoo. And. This is two thousand two thousand one two thousand and two conversing on the ESPN message board a lot of started to get friendly both online. And then, you know, sometimes you go to certain places. Everybody knew they were going to be at Keeneland and at Oaklawn, and it's toga whatever Gulfstream Tampa. And so I started to put together the website when Barbara was stricken in the Preakness. And people from the SPN message board would remember this. There was an influx of sick trolling to the ESPN message board that destroyed it are it was very strange. I mean people coming and and ridiculing and somehow celebrating. It was it was taunting people about Barbara getting hurt. It was really weird and it completely destroyed. So I threw the switch on derby trail and two three hundred people moved over from the message board, and that was the start of therby trail. I remember the old DR f- message board. Moderated by Andy, Serwer, Ling and jets great. I'm still all these years later later grateful to him for defending Franks, Tony, and I from from trolls on their when our first book six secrets of successful bettors cave out that that was a place, and I.
"derby trail" Discussed on 710 WOR
"We'll keep you updated on the happenings in the yankees game scoreless game right now between the yanks and the os that game taking place in the bronx of course will react to today's met game and look ahead to the final two games of the series weather permitting in washington but a nice statement win today for the mets early on in the season ended not too big statement but a nice statement to spoil the nats home open right now we take a break from the baseball to welcome in naira ceo and president kris k and a lot of happenings going on with the belmont stakes obviously belmont raceway and chris us about this new sweepstakes you guys got going on sounds pretty fun for the fans here we're gonna get geared up for the you know the derby trail here as we begin the push to the kentucky derby tells about this new sweepstakes you have going on well thank you for having me sell and and you believe it's only sixty four days away from the hundred and fifty running of the belmont stakes no other race has gone a hundred and fifty years so we are privileged in that regard and we want to share that opportunity with all of our fans so this year we're going to give one lucky seeing the opportunity to pick a horse to win and if that horse win that lucky fan we'll get a bit of a lifetime one hundred and fifty thousand dollar win now explain that to me how how are you going to do this there's a pool going on how does one person pictures you need to pick the winner here here's what happens great question there are a number of ways you can enter this weep steak and the one every time you buy a ticket to the belmont stakes which incredible day of racing and entertainment you'll be entered into the sweepstake in addition if you wager on narrow pets or become a narrow customer this is someone who is this is our our internet wagering platform you will get five entries and if you don't want to.