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Chinese hackers try to steal COVID-19 vaccine research

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03:17 min | 7 months ago

Chinese hackers try to steal COVID-19 vaccine research

"The president talking about the Chinese the trump administration plans to issue a warning that cyber actors linked to the Chinese government are trying to get. Us research on Corona Virus Treatments and vaccines and this. I broke the story in the New York Times. I remember reading little bits and pieces about it. So it's being issued by the FBI Department of Homeland Security both agencies monitoring the of course all of the foreign government hackers during the pandemic and they're warning universities and research research facilities and healthcare institutions. That of course you've got risks now more than ever cybersecurity should be number one on everybody's list not that we didn't know this and certainly in this show we have delved into it and talk to. Un's of different people about things that you can do but and always trying to stay on top of it. You're never fast enough. We just had somebody called snow on from. Ibm and what they were doing to prevent hacking to look at what hackers were doing and what links they would go to. And now here. You have a this and it's not a surprise that we would see this but how do you shut it down to the FBI? Deputy Assistant Director for the Cyber Division said just last month that they've seen intrusions in the institutions. I mentioned to universities and the research spots and the healthcare facilities and institutions and there are people that have publicly identified themselves as working on Kovic related research and sometimes get them find their way in there so there are lots of warnings being issued in private cyber security firms in US government. Agencies of course are also noticing that Russia China Ron North Korea. They're escalating cyber activity and disinformation related to the corona virus. A and you know the what. They're calling nontraditional collectors to as well researchers who they enlist to steal scientific data and whatever the proprietary technologies are and they're trying to really crack down on this obviously as much as they can if we go back and look at what's happened in the past. China's theft of intellectual property is over four hundred billion dollars annually. That's not the total that's annually. What we're talking about and this is again nothing new. But it's something that is so significant in the middle of this pandemic and one more thing to be concerned about with the hacking of the The vaccine data and again and again and again and again. We're seeing this. Come up and especially now very very tricky. Like I mentioned during the pandemic couldn't couldn't be a worse time for that.

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John Pistole: Full Circle

The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

1:09:28 hr | 1 year ago

John Pistole: Full Circle

"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign asking that I will bear to faith and allegiance to the scene that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion. And that I will well and faithfully. We discharge the duties of the office which I am about to enter so help God help me God so God welcome to the oath. I'm Chuck Rosenberg and I'm honored to be your host for another compelling conversation with a fascinating guests from the world of public service. This week I sit down on with John Pistol. The former head of the transportation security administration every person who has ever passed through airport knows of TSA but not many folks know much about Tsa. How big it is? How many airports does it cover and how does? Tsa Incorporate Intelligence into its mission. John Pistol came up through the ranks of the FBI as a special agent all the way to the number two spot before President Obama asked him to run the TSA. John's life has come full circle since his time at the FBI and the TSA. He grew up on the campus of Anderson University. In Anderson Indiana graduated from Matterson and today serves as its president and we are with John on a Beautiful Fall Day in Central Indiana in the president's office his office John Pistol Welcome to the oath. Thanks great to be with you. We are in your office at Anderson University in Anderson. Indiana where you are president. John Pistol Yes yes which is somewhat surreal since I was a student John Postal decades ago. And so it's been a full journey coming back home. In a sense you grew up in and around campus a block and a half away from here and my dad was a professor here at the school theology as seminary were faith based school. Two older sisters and an older brother all who went into education and my dad has a college professor and then my mom is a high school teacher so five out of the six of us were in education and then I broke bad. Wanted to be a lawyer and so I did that for a couple of years. Black Sheep of the family so to speak. Yes now. Your father taught theology here. Your sister also taught hair. She taught freshman English and some other classes had just had a great career and just seen helping young people figure out what they wanna do in life and then my other sister taught grade schools and then my brother Taught as a college professor in University of Pennsylvania an hour east of Pittsburgh and then my mom taught psychology at High School here and it was interesting because she would come home and do experiments on us kids before she do with the class. So if I'm acting strange in that I disappointed on that upbringing John. Why Law School? So I grew up in joining analyzing things and debating issues and some people might say arguing but all of positive Osita way as I was going through school high school and then clearly college I had people encouragement say boy. You might want to consider being a lawyer and so I thought okay well I might pursue that and if I get into law school and get through then I'll give that a shot and and so it worked out but after a year ear practicing. I just thought Oh boy. Did I make a mistake here. What did you think you made a mistake? Well part of it was both the firm. I was in which was here in Anderson Small firm doing mostly civil a little bit a criminal defense work but part of it was just saying attorneys. Who'd been been doing it for literally? Thirty forty years doing the same things divorces bankruptcies wills all good things services people needed but I just thought ought boys or something else so I grew up in a faith-based home and just a sense of God has a plan for you in how they pursue that how do you discern that and so a lot of praying and talking to folks and turned up. Two of my family's friends had been attorneys enjoying the FBI as special agents agents special agents. And so I talked to both of them. They they both said well we enjoyed practicing some. But if you're looking for a real change then then courage you to pursue the FBI. So I did and you applied I applied and a year later I was finally accepted After uh about eight months I got a call from ABC. In recruiter he calls. Hey congratulations you're gonna be in the next new agents class at Quantico Mantra now so wonderful so I let the managing partner at the firm no and his older brother was an FBI agent. so He'd new some was and I saw. I resigned from the firm. Berm put our house on the market and sold in day. Took a week's vacation in came back and and there's nothing in the mail I thought well shouldn't there be something and so. I called the African recruiter. The agent and he said Oh yeah boy. I'm glad you call. Well no turns out. We're not GONNA be able to hire you after all I said. Excuse me Oh no. Something came up and turns out your when did your physical at the Va Hospital. The doctor didn't check the box at the end of the form that says applicant is capable of engaging in strenuous physical activity. So we can't hire you and and we saw on your application that you'd had broken neck and so sorry about that ask car. Accident is a senior in high school. two broken vertebrae but They did spinal fusion. I had a complete recovery. I've played four years of college basketball and tennis after that and I'm actually in decent shape should oh well okay. Well maybe we'll send you back to have another physical. I said okay. Could the other doctor please. So it worked out so a couple of months later after having the new physical and the doctor checking the box I checked in with the APP can recruiter. He said what yeah. I'm glad you checked in again because now turns out. We were not going to hire you after all. I said well what happened. He said well turns out your mother-in-law we found out she was born in Egypt which put down on the application. They sounded out because you told them yes. Ten months ago and they said So yet turns out. We can't do a neighborhood investigation and by the way. What was your mother-in-law doing in Egypt? When she was born and I so so much wanted to say that she wanted to be close to her mom when she was born by thought? Now that'd be a snappy answer to a stupid question and this potential employer so let's not do that so I said had figuring out what they're concerned about I said well her parents were. US citizens air missionaries for the church. were part of and they were just there for four years and that's when my mother in law has more on the came back and she's a US citizen. Oh okay well okay. We can probably get that figured out so then two months later they told me. Congratulations Asia. Were hiring you let her. They said yes so. I got the letter so I've been off work for about four months moved into an apartment apartment. I got in really good shape so my lesson learned for that for people who are interested in government work or something is be patient but be persistent. The patience and perseverance perseverance right. Sometimes you just need to do that in. Don't take no for the answer unless that's what you're satisfied with finally made it to Quantico Virginia as brand new special agent trainee yes. Did you like it there. No well the first night I felt like I'd stepped into the movie Animal House because it was all these people including my roommate which I'd been married for several years that I don't need a new roommate mate but okay so I've got one and he was Chicago Vice Cop had been for the last seven years before he came to Quantico and he sat in bars looking for underage rage drinkers and things well? He was drinking for part of his cover. Well turned out. He was now and he got drunk the first night. They're so came back to the room and was singing and throwing up and yeah just a mess I thought wow this is what the FBI VI. I thought would be like and so really had some second thoughts about what is it. Do you think about leaving I did what kept you there. Well the sense that attack God did have a hand in this that worked out even with the two times when they told me and that I needed to persevere and to get through it and and that I would do that and then see what would happen was training. Mentally tough was physically tough so because I'd had time to get ready physically and I stayed in shape from my college athlete days. That was easy part in fact I was fortunate enough to eventually Max out the physical fitness fitness exam So five different Vince. Ten points each. What about the academic part of it given my legal background and training? I felt like I was well prepared to that. In a good portion of the overall academic training is legally base or whether it's criminal procedure little bit civil procedure but but rules of evidence and things like that and I've had a couple of jury trials as an attorney and had a perfect record for. FBI training both. My clients were convicted of the crimes they're charged with. And so I felt like I knew a little bit about that. Despite you know probably because of me now they knew they are guilty. The police snoop every the judged guilty and yet they invoked their right to go to trial. which is the right? Is there right and so we went to trial and and they were appropriately convicted. It and I just thought I think I'd rather be on the other side of this rather than vending people who everybody knows is guilty johnny. FBI has fifty six field offices in the United States. Cacao go in Los Angeles Dallas Boston as a new agent. You're invited to list which office you'd like to go to And then it's up to the FBI to send send you to one needs at the bureau as the expression that they teach you on the first day of Guanaco so I listed the fifty six offices in the first ten were ones thought. Okay Roy you like to go to them and the bottom not really and then the others has kind of filled in and so in the Twelfth Week of your training out of the four to Five Months Training Pinocchio. What you're doing class counselor gets up has a transfer letter and envelope and opens it up and says special agent trainee pistol? Where do you WANNA go? And you're able to say that. Where did you want to go? Well I thought I was going to go to little rock for some reason not because I wanted to. I had a sense. I'm going to little rock. What did you lists I so I listed Lanta I that was where my wife was from and it was not a small office but not a huge office? And so the counselor says you are incur- by transferred to Minneapolis. Minnesota thought many hapless. And I looked at my list in it was third from the bottom so I mentioned in that and counselor said Oh. Just turn your list upside down. You've got number three on your list. Okay that's how the bureaucracy works and turned out to be a fabulous assignment great people to work with challenging work. I learned a lot more made some great friends and some of whom were still friends with thirty five years. Here's an so. What did you work on in? Minneapolis brand new ST agent. Well I had a variety of assignments that included things like drug trafficking investigating. Hells hells angels things like that. But one of the most moving challenging assignments was investigating human trafficking and it primarily involves individuals who were being put to work as prostitutes who are underage so pence would recruit underage girls girls typically and put them to work either minneapolis twin cities or taken to Chicago or New York and that was difficult. Challenging being must have been heartbreaking the human side of things to see how some people have been mistreated and abused at home own by loved ones supposedly. So they're running away for example one of the individuals that I dealt with as a victim and was is literally a thirteen year old girl from Minneapolis suburb and she had been abused at home by her dad and her uncle and by the time I was able to locate her and interviewer she was just a hardened tough person who would obsolete been through a lot. She'd been stabbed working the streets of Minneapolis on her own as prostitute and so she decided to get a guy to protector surro- pimp and of course then he was exploiting her how to do eventually finder. Where did you find her? So it took quite a while as part of Task Force with the the Minneapolis. PD and just trying to find witnesses. Who would be able and willing to testify against these two prominent pumps and so eventually located her in come like a halfway house but a protective custody if you will and so eventually met with her and she didn't want to talk at first very resistant? She eventually did and agreed to testify. How did you break through another? How did you reach her? The first time another agent I of female agent went to meet with her. She was in this room and than sitting on one of these little beanbag things on the floor and here I was a FBI agent in my suit. And all that. And I thought now this is not good. And I just felt like I should just so took off my jacket and just sat on the floor and the other agent sat in a chair nearby and just aster about her her life and her story so she eventually started opening up in terms of will. Here's why I got in the business All this and and eventually not then but eventually again. She grew to testify and so the two subjects of the investigation. The to bounce ended up. Uh pleading guilty without having to go to trial and that was one thing she didn't WanNa face him in a courtroom which isn't unusual be revictimizes innocence now. I Know Minneapolis. Bliss was fifty fourth unrealistic fifty six cities at Quantico. Where was New York A? It was fifty five or six. I don't remember whether it was out of San Juan or la but yeah now and in WanNa go to a big city Because primarily the cost and just the traffic and all those things great work often that it's surreal trade off and you're from wonderful small community in the middle of Indiana. That's right not bad news. Not Bad traffic when I got transfer orders from Minneapolis. To New York works city. There is no pay differential between a small city like Indiana and New York City so for example I had just received a call caller within grade raise making twenty eight thousand five hundred dollars I've been in the FBI for two and a half years and got transferred to New York. City is up to me where to live so I learned pretty quickly. They couldn't afford much for on that kind of salary. So twenty. Eight thousand. Five hundred in Minneapolis is not the same as twenty eight thousand and five hundred in Manhattan No a little bit different. So so that One Hundred Fifty Square foot closet in New York was still cost prohibitive to me so yeah and it was interesting talking to perspective realtor about licking share for that kind of money as they can they did so. Can you help me. So did you like working in New York. I loved it. It was fabulous people end. Just a great sense of mission so I was very fortunate was assigned to a joint organized crime task force between the FBI IN NYPD and so we had ten detective lieutenant and Sergeant in the FBI office embedded with us at that time five Mafia Cosa Nostra families very well or get high. That's why they called organized crime but just into everything were we call a target rich environment because the Rico Statute Racketeering Influence Corrupt Organizations Act was designed with the mafia in mind. So you could take different things like gambling loansharking which is high interest loans arson murder. All these different things and combine them with with the prosecutors in the turns office in the Southern District Manhattan Eastern District in Brooklyn and make a racketeering case based on these somewhat disparate acts if you will and so it was such a target rich environment that you could almost take a board put all the mob guys faces names ends up there and throw a dart and say okay. Let's go after Jimmy or vincent or Ralphie or whomever. It was and so spent like senior. Like five years is doing really really interesting meaningful. Work One of the highlights was I got to arrest the boss of the largest family of the genovise family. A guy named Vincent Chin Gigante in most mob guys had nicknames and and this guy had been boxers a young guy he feigned insanity by walking around around Greenwich Village where he had an apartment his mom's harmon berry lived in purple bathrobe and little show cap and and mumbling to himself unshaved unshaved and days and start urinating and then he also checked himself into a psychiatric hospital for two weeks every year. He's been doing that for twenty years to build insanity defense all of it was a ruse in case the FBI came along right and they did. It did and it wasn't mine. VESTA Gatien a great squad out in what we call. Bq Burkan in Queens Resin Agency they had done on some extortion of construction contracts and windows and things like that but because he was living in Manhattan Hatton they had the Manhattan squad for Genevieve's family. So I got the lead that arrest team and we got to use the referred to as master key a thirty pound onto person sledgehammer to open door so the work in New York was fascinating and important and you loved it. Why did you end up leaving? We had our first child old while we were living there and my in-laws lived in the DC area and there's an opportunity to apply for promotion to become somehow supervisor. Deputy headquarters I did that and eventually will received a promotion to the Orange Crime Section of FBI headquarters but the the main reason it was so we could be around our grandparents our our young daughter and my wife could be back home because she grew up in DC area explain for those who didn't grow up the FBI culture. The Headquarters Field Office distinction important work is done in the field and headquarters but there's often a okay Wedge I think most field agents see headquarters personnel as a necessary evil that if you need resources sources meaning additional money or authorities like for example to do a wiretap you have to go through headquarters so it. There's a role to be played but basically basically kept each other's at arm's length. There was a a group of scored a unit that was handled things in special circumstances. Sa's for high profile or special circumstance individuals so to get a wiretap did have a special circumstance Informative cooperating witness headquarters of course had to prove those things because that's part of the oversight rule to make sure that agencies including the FBI are just out running amok on their own that there's process process and had oversight role that process is critical to the operation of the FBI but also sometimes from the perspective of field agent slows. Them gets in the away right. What did you do from there? Jen partly career. Progression is to not stay headquarters forever and to go out into the fifty six field offices as as a field supervisor and I was interested in going back to New York City because they had such a great job there and there were nine different organized. Crime squads odds so nine supervisors so I spent about a year after the time. You have at least two years at headquarters. I waited a year for one of those supervisors to retire or move on and they were hacked and it didn't look like they're going to and ironically then one of the offices as you thought you would never want to go to became an office. He wanted to go back to New York exactly. I had such a rich experience there in terms of quality the of work and relationships I met some great prosecutors in the southern district and Eastern District and just some great friends and and it was just the best work in the bureau but a position New York did not open did not open and so I've been headquarters three years now and we had our second child and I I thought you know what this might be an opportunity to be with my side of the family if something opens up in Indiana and my folks were coming elderly and thought this might be the such a time for this and so a white collar civil rights in a new emerging area computer crimes. Supervisor Desk Came Open Urban Indianapolis I applied for and eventually got it and so we moved Indianapolis and you've got to spend over five years of Quality living around my parents and I have two sisters still in the area. Your housing dollar went further. Housing went a lot further and I was a little bit more so it was a good experience. The work was not nearly as satisfying in the sense of high impact. High notoriety. Things like that but it was important work and that's one of the neat things about the FBI that each office is at least at that time prior to nine eleven Able to determine their own priorities in concert with the US journeys office and so it was a good work just very different. What is the relationship between a field? The Office of the FBI in Minneapolis or Boston or Indianapolis and the local US Attorney's office. Well of course the. US Attorney's Office is. Is that the prosecutors who who actually take. FBI Investigations and charge individuals with crimes prosecute. Go to trial whatever it may be and so it's a dynamic tension all say because every FBI agent with the investigation signed to them believes that their case should be prosecuted after the US Attorney's office doesn't have the resources to prosecute every case. And there's what's called as you very well know prosecutive guidelines in terms of threshold and turns friends a dollar losses or economic impact or all these different things and so is that dynamic tension of trying to get the prosecutor the assistant. US Attorney To prosecute a case that may or may not be a priority for their office to the. US Attorney's office says lots of different agencies that they're dealing dealing with in terms of trying to bring whether it's drug cases. DEA ATF E in terms of their type of cases or any of the other investigative agencies in terms of Homeland Security Investigation. Secret Service is all these different agencies that have responsibility to investigate and pursue investigations of Federal Criminal Law Thai League Team Typical Your Trial Twenty one of the United States Code. How does a case get prosecuted? How does an FBI agent bring her case case to an assistant? US Attorney and get it prosecuted so it's interesting because it frankly depends on which F. B. I. Office city you're in and which which your strenuous office is handling that investigation. So for example when I was street agent as its referred to a New York worked very closely with the EOS as assistant. US US Attorney in both Manhattan Brooklyn all the way through the investigation because they were so much involved in terms of evidence and intelligence collection that it was important important other areas of the country. It's much more. The FBI does investigation and actually prepares a prosecutive report. That is in turned over to the US Attorney's Office for their review and might be the first time they've even heard about something which is crazy for what it's worth John. Iowa's preferred the first panel where I was working closely with the agents. Sure from the outset. Absolute developing the case putting witnesses in front of the grand jury and discussing both in investigative gate and prosecutive strategy. Exactly and that's there's the FBI in the old days. I'll say used to have an approach of the autonomy the ASA's would not be involved other than for process. You need a subpoena UNITA wiretap court order whatever it might be you have to go. The stern's office to do that. But that paradigm really shifted after nine eleven in a significant end national way and I think the best prosecutors and the best agents embrace that collaborative Robert Right now. That's that is clearly the preferred route. And because you get the best outcomes eventually become an assistant special agent in charge coach That is sort of upper mid management right of the SORTA gone. Yeah in a sack in Boston in Boston right. The challenge was it was in a time after a agent who was later found to be corrupt. John Townley had was being investigated gone. Connie was a Boston F. B. I.. Agent who was a mixed up with Whitey bulger in the Winter Hill gang right the Irish mob. There's been lots written about Whitey bulger's I got out there. After he had fled. You'd been tipped off by somebody but I learned for on the Mass State Police and DA and some other people. I became friends with working on other things. About what a huge breach of trust and just the lack of collaboration that caused to have have an agent who selling them out. There's black mass other. Lots of movies books written about the corruption that Whitey Bolger engaging Gagen where. Da Investigations and mass state police investigations particular were compromised and actually people were wrongfully convicted because of FBI's efforts to one individual perhaps others. But but one John Conley's efforts I to protect his source of information in his mind as I understand it. His tasking was to investigate the Italian mob. So the Irish mob. That Whitey Bolger headed was in competition with the Italian Ma of the Mafia and so John Calmly and his distorted way thinking he said if I can get the Irish mob to rat out or get information about the Italian mob. And I'm doing my a job for John Connolly to get the Irish mob to rat out the Italian mob. He extensively how to protect the Irish mob. Exactly and that's exactly what he did including tipping capping off Bolger when he had been indicted but not arrested in nineteen ninety five so he fled and was a fugitive for seventeen years before he he was eventually found. Whatever happened to John Connolly so he was eventually charged and convicted on several different counts including a murder charge out a Florida where he had tipped off the Irish mob to the location of a guy in Florida? Boo who was murdered and so he was basically a state charge of like accessory after the fact aiding bedding and a murder. He's been in prison for ears now. I mentioned the Boston. Office was reeling From that matter the I mean that's a vast understatement and it came down to question trust if you can't can't trust people in the FBI. Then what does that do to our psyche about The rule of law and the FBI historically been one of the most respected organizations in the government and terms reputation and that but not in Boston. Just a huge a huge mark and rightfully so so it's taken a long time and there's lots of stories how that breach cause some irreparable will harm for years. It's almost a generational thing that is taken. So twenty five years almost since Conley tipped off Bolger and he fled and and so. It's a new generation coming up but it takes a long time to build that credibility in that trust to earn that reputation. And as the connelly matter illustrates you you can lose it in an instant and in this case not only was it an instant but it was pervasive and systemic ongoing unfortunately Hey It's Chris Hayes you know. Sometimes it's good to take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news us and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be to the twenty th century what maternity west of the nineteenth century. It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday Newsday. Wherever you get your podcasts so where were you on nine eleven John Syracuse New York on the inspection division and had just met with some people in the local? TV business when they said. Hey there's something going on in New York City and my next interview was with the the chief. Federal Judge for the Western district of of New York so I got to his office and people standing around watching TV. Sei there's something going on New York the F. B. I.. Office was in the same federal courthouse. And so I said well I stood that watch for a few minutes and something's not right here here and so I went to the F. B. I.. Office upstairs and watched there was an IM- was watching along with most of America as the the second plane hit the second tower to that point. You at work so many different areas for the FBI. WHITE-COLLAR CYBERCRIME public corruption option civil rights violations. But you really had not worked counter-terrorism. I don't have counters background and I think good leaders. Somebody who does three things knows away away shows away in goes the way is able to lead. I said I don't feel like I could do that. And they said well your names coming up as being a good candidate for the number two position. Deputy Assistant Director in this newly expanded division. And by the way this newly expanded division is now under the leadership of one Robert Mueller the director of the FBI. That's right Robert. Mueller was appointed and started as the FBI director one week before nine. Eleven of September fourth of a one. So he he was new to counterterrorism new to the bureau and eventually he called me to say John. I don't know you you've got a good reputation. We've been recommended for this this position and I'd like you to accept it. Well the director calls. John What are you do you say yes or you resign I. I wasn't eligible to retire so I decided added to accept and I said which appreciation sir. So yeah are reported to counters division certainly post nine eleven John Counterterrorism her terrorism division at the FBI took on preeminent role and you are going to headquarters to be a part of that ride. You move pretty quickly through the ranks of the Counterterrorism Division as has Deputy Assistant Director Assistant Director and then executive assistant director and then after that you became the longest serving deputy director the number two spot the FBI in the history of the FBI. Yes so the hit bureau. Starting one thousand eight and Director J. Hoover had a somebody who might be considered deputy director but didn't have that title Clyde Tolson for many many years but as far as deputy director position. Yeah I've served almost six years. The nets still new indoor record. So so what's the job of deputy director. The deputy is of course the number two person in the FBI the chief operating officer her the overseer of all investigations counterterrorism white collar all the different things essentially the entire F. B. I. Reports ultimately to the deputy director and rides. There's one funnel if you will up director deputy director and then everything branches out from that it certainly one of the two hardest jobs in the FBI. It's very challenging demanding job because of the dynamic nature of not only the proactive worked at the FBI. I have to do in terms of post nine eleven of preventing terrorist attacks happening in the US US interests overseas working with other partners of course but then simply on the day to day activities and the reactive so bad things still happen. House Bureau poised poised to respond and do things in partnership which we frankly didn't do as well as we could have prior to nine eleven so nine eleven was a forcing mechanism not not only with the thousands of state and local departments. Police Departments sheriffs offices within the federal government and the US intelligence community in particular. So the improvements that I saw between for example. FBI CIA during my time and in essay and other US intelligence community agency's was was remarkable very positive after nine eleven there was a push in the United States government to break the FBI apart the the split it into two pieces along the lines of five and six in Britain. Right what is what is my sex. And what was the push in the United States about the FBI. Yes M I five the British security services like the FBI and then in my six the British secret intelligence services like the CIA and so they fat a bifurcated system for decades. And it's worked fairly well. After nine on eleven there was a strong push by some in positions of leadership that we should model our approach to who law enforcement and counterterrorism on the British model. And so there are different commissions that were appointed in one of them was supposedly focused on WMD WMD in Iraq You mean weapons of mass destruction right and so they called in a number of witnesses from around the country they talked to you want and lots of FBI folks including me and reviewed files and all these things they also called in the head of my five and then my six. I met with the head of my five at the time Liza manningham-buller a onetime director Muller was out and we were talking about tall different challenges and pros and cons. Frankly of having this bifurcated service or a unified service like we had and what was her view. Her view was that we were fortunate to have a unified service that it made it more challenging to have the the bifurcated approach that they had and she was wishing that that's what they had that they have the I.. Model in Great Britain in Great Britain. In fact a couple of weeks later I got a note from her. Handwritten note on one side on on the once I was printed message and it went something like the government was faced with a crisis and so responded by reorganizing. And you and then you turn the guard over and she had signed with a little smile smiley face and her point when she was in my office. Says you anything you can. To resist. Don't agree agree to that. And because of Bob Mahler as director he was so passionate and persuasive. I'll say about the need to maintain name the FBI as a single entity not create a new domestic intelligence service is what basically some were recommending president. Bush did not order that Congress didn't order that and and we were able to stay as a unified agency. John why would it have been more difficult for the FBI to do. Its work if it had been broken into two pieces along the M I five six model so there's a couple of issues one are DISA- legal authorities in terms of what process needs be followed and then just a bureaucratic when you have two agencies. He's trying to work together to accomplish the same mission to some hoops to jump through. Without a single point of authority and leadership so that was part heart of it and then just to when it came down to the operational so if you are relying on another agencies information or intelligence to do a search warrant or arrest or something. How does that complicate things? So if one of the criticisms pre-nine eleven was that there were too many walls too many stovepipes the notion of creating another wall or an additional stovepipes. Didn't make sense. Why would we do that if the whole purpose of the US government in the national security world is to prevent the next nine eleven exactly? I don't know that a lot of people appreciate that among the many things that Bob Muller did. I'm a huge fan and considered a great privilege alleged to have worked for him he by sort of sheer force of personality held the FBI together. He really did because he was seen. Not only is nonpartisan which was a key ingredient in the post nine eleven days. He did not have a political agenda. Political Bonins bodies fill dozen. I don't I don't believe so fortunate to have had him here on campus vanishing university about six weeks before his name special counsel I mean. He's a true patriot. And True Hero. In my mind and and because of one his his brilliance and his perseverance and his nonpartisan approach to doing. What's right for the country? Then People Bulgakov Him and the bureau the benefit of the doubt. And we've been very fortunate since that time and obsolete congress spotted after he'd served as ten years the mandatory story of maximum. If you will the Congress passed the law said we'd like you to serve another two years so served twelve years and just provided a great continuity in a in a time of dynamic change and challenge. Did you enjoy working for Bob more over much though but is also very challenging because says he's very demanding boss. He's got very high expectations and so part of it was just trying to figure out how to Best Mesh with his leadership style which was not a social nicety. Style is what's needed to be done. And how are we going to do it. And then the follow up. He was really good in terms of. He kept a yellow legal pad with a checklist of things. And saying okay. Where are we on such and such the list the list yes? You're very familiar with the list. It was effective challenging demanding but very rewarding also I remember a number of stand up. Meetings is in his office. Yes why is it down if if you can just good thing. Care of standing is more efficient. Yeah I always described him and I loved working for him as is tough but never unfair. Yeah I think that's right and part of it was just for the alcohol. The old timer so I've been in the FBI. Eighteen years for eleven happened. I didn't consider myself an old timer but many did who had been in longer and they were used to Louis Freeh for example very different style very effective in his own way but just a very different style and then Jim Komi later very different style and Chris rate so each director Ozzy has her own style. So for me me. It was the challenge and the opportunity to learn his style and adjust to it and then use history history books in my strings way that would mesh. That would help the bureau. One of the things I noticed about. Bob's leadership style is that he never asked anyone to work harder harder than he was willing to work right now. He was a big believer in leadership by example and that no the way show the way go the way. And so he even if he did know I know about how do certain things particularly and the national security side things because that was all new to him and knew too many in the bureau he put the time into learn and trying to move the FBI from the Premier Law. I ain't saying the world to the Premier Counterterrorism Agency which was much different paradigms and not what a lot of people signed up for and so it was that not only the legal process procedure shift but whole mentality the the ethos if you will in terms of how does this agency move from point. A. TO POINT B. While we're flying at thirty thousand feet engines is rolling roll along here. He was a voracious reader. He asked tons of questions. I imagine you saw this John that people had to be well prepared if they were going to brief him his attention attention to detail I think is what people appreciate it. I know the first time I went with him to the Oval Office to brief so in the first administration industry of George George Bush after nine. Eleven We were going every day Monday through Friday he would go to brief the president on the FBI up dates on counterterrorism activities. One time he was going to be out the following week traveling internationally so he asked me to to go and brief for him and that attention to detail was really important but he made a really important point before we went and introduced me to President Bush vice president others. He said if you if you ask a question in its by the presence say yes Mitch President and give the answer but don't elaborate and never or never make up something because he said the tendency of many people. When they're with President the Oval Office is they don't want to say I don't know and so that was instructive for me and actually came into play the following week on the third day in the Oval Office? What happened well? So I'd briefed the first two days. Everything went fine. I knew all the answers. I feel pretty confident. I wouldn't say cocky. Don't feel pretty good for this kid from Indiana here. I am the Oval Office with President vice-president Turning General National Security Adviser and all this C- director at the time and so I'd answered one of the questions and then President Bush had a follow up question And I knew the first part of it and so I I think enjoying hearing myself speak and so I gave the answer the first part and then I caught myself as I. I was thinking what is going to say which was speculation. I didn't know and I remember what Bob Mollard said are weak and I said but that second apartment apartment spread. I'm not sure of let me get the answer. That and I'll get back with your staff. He said okay. No problem and what. I realized that that your credibility and your reputation Asian is one of the coin of the realm in Washington. That if you have a sense if people have since they can trust you rely on you. That is invaluable. Just as if they don't know whether they can trust. You is just devastating. It's interesting John I never went with the director took the Oval Office but I saw many many people brief him and you could tell that people were struggling to give him answers two questions. He asked when they didn't actually know the aunts and ride. I think that's just human nature. oftentimes that yet we want to be. We seen as knowledgeable and informed. And we've and the bottom line is if you're there to brief the president you can always say so many times. I don't know get back within in. Your job is to be informed. And that's what director Mueller did in terms of the prep. The you help them with while you will you were there and then I helped him with when I was there here to get him ready to inform president. But if you don't know and the honest answer is I don't know don't know that's appropriate that's appropriate and I'll follow. Oh Up and get back when I was impressed one time. It was the following week. When I was breaching President Bush directors out one particular? Give Day and he asked a follow up question to something. We'd talk about the week. Before Nam. Assuming that one of his key at national security staff folks had had jotted down a note or something. Follow up on this but I didn't seem refer to a note and he asked a follow up question. I think. Wow okay. That's that's impressive. So something had stuck in his mind or he deemed appropriate and fortunately I knew the answer to that one so I didn't have to say no so important for leaders to be able to listen. Listen and demonstrate humility. That there are things they don't know and they need to turn to experts like John Pistol to answer hard questions. Well John Postal would turn to the experts the analysts agents. Who would be at? Oh Dr countered every morning to help get the director and myself prepared for the day's activities. He's weather briefing at the White House or testifying or doing a press conference or a speech the machine if you will of the FBI really really pulled together. In a way after nine eleven I think was unprecedented in many ways. We talked about Bob Muller being tough and persistent and determined and demanding branding and demanding but he's also a remarkably compassionate man. Not something that you might see publicly. Yeah very infrequently publicly. But I saw him on a number of Cajun's where for example he would meet with the family of a victim of crime nine for example without going into detail or particularly with the family of an FBI agent who had been killed in line of duty pretty during his tenure in fact in his in his office at FBI headquarters he had the photograph name of each agent who been killed during his tenures FBI director so very compassionate very caring he would follow up with with notes and calls on anniversaries and things the one occasion I went with him to a local area hospital in DC to see an agent who had been in seriously injured and the eventually died and just meeting with the family and expressing remorse nother agent Who went to his house in DC? He had committed suicide and went to meet with the now the widow and family members and just a yeah just his sense of of compassion which you rarely saw in his normal work mode but it was genuine l.. Clearly no we had some very poignant com private conversations Where yeah he would you? Yeah literally Started here up. Just thinking about the survivors and the loss and things so yeah John. You didn't serve quite six years as deputy director. You got a call one Sunday. I'm asking you if you would consider leaving your beloved FBI and taking another very important job in the United States government. I was enjoying okay. My time is the. FBI Director was eligible retire and had some some overtures From some folks in private sector about doing that but I got a call one day from the Secretary of Homeland Security time. Genta Paul Tanno. Who asked me whether I'd be willing to consider serving as the head of the transportation skirt administration creation? Tsa So when. I got the call. My first response was while there's a thankless job and who'd WanNa do that take take on that responsibility especially leaving an agency that was so well thought of as the FBI. And as I learned later a little bit of research after I I said Yes to having my name floated that TSA was ranked in the bottom five out of two hundred and thirty four agencies. Best places to were tough job. Did you like it I loved it From a whole different perspective and I felt like the training that I've had my almost twenty seven years the FBI and particularly Klay. Working for Bob Muller and and others working with I learned so much that course. TSA was created after nine eleven was actually really assigned to the department transportation. There was no homeland security department at the time and so it was still in two thousand ten a pretty new agency agency and yet I was fifth administrator. You know in the it's eight to nine year history because just haddon much got not for for various reasons. So I I felt like is able to bring some things in terms of process and procedures and organizational construct. That would help talk a little bit about the structure sure and organization of the. Tsa How they are and how many different airports they're located yes and there's about sixty three thousand employees versus thirty five to thirty seven thousand John of the FBI and they're in about four hundred and fifty airports around the country and then about twenty five four and a liaison positions that interact with the nearly two hundred seventy five airports around the world that have nonstop passenger service to the US every day and then about three eight hundred four and airports that have not stopped cargo service so tsa has responsibility for passenger and cargo safety particularly in the air but also on surface transportation trains buses things that most people never think of and frankly the TSA has a very small footprint reprinting those surface transportation aries it's primarily airports and air. Traffic Ninety seven percent of the budget and resources are allocated to air traffic traffic. So what were the immediate challenges in two thousand and ten when you took over that job. Well it's just for some context. Some of your listeners may remember listening as a Christmas Day bomber. That was from Christmas Day. Two thousand nine the underwear bomber the underwear bomber twenty four year old Nigerian whom are Rugabo Matala who was radicalized is went to Yemen and the master bombmaker Ibrahim. Al Serey had devise. What's known as a a non metallic E D so a bomb with no metal in Senate which means you walk the walk through metal detector at most airports around the world ten times? A hundred thousand times never set off anything and yet what Ogden Matala did on. Christmas Day flew from amsterdam-schiphol Airport Detroit on northwest. Two fifty. Three and his instructions were more from Al Qaeda. Arabian Peninsula INS instructions. Were to blow the plane up as he was coming in on approach to the US. So that's what he tried to do. He injected chemical into this composition in a pouch in his underwear and it burned but didn't explode as a head when they tested it several weeks earlier similar similar construct and so it became a significant issue. And what I learned when I got the TSA in July eight months later was that there had been no changes in TSA procedures because they'd had an acting administrator for year a year and so they are waiting for confirmed administrative command and make changes which include things like we need to do more thorough pat down so we can find an underwear bomb. Well that's that's kind of a controversial invasive process and yet that's what we needed to do to give the American can people the highest level of confidence that they were not sitting next to the underwear bomber part two or shoebomber shoebomber liquids the plot. I mean there's so many types of persistent threats. The bag is a terrorist. Our ingenious in terms of coming up with new ways to defeat Standard Security Protocols significant challenge for TSA so one inherited herded problem was at the TSA was not reacting to the newest threat. Right and so my job was to implement new protocols that if there was not probable cause or reasonable suspicion but if there was reason to believe for some reason that somebody needed to more thorough pat down because they might have an explosive in their underwear and for example. There'd been two Russian women who had blown up Russian airliners out of Moscow. How about ninety minutes apart The following year with explosives in their bras is the best will Russians never gave us actual access else to the crime scene if you will and so any concealment technique the drug traffickers of us for decades. Terrorists have also tried to use or considered consider using so. How do you detect whether somebody is concealing explosives just as drug traffickers have concealed inky including body? Cavities so how do you do that. In a way that buys down risk in yet doesn't invade privacy unreasonably so that's a a dynamic tension if you will of. How do I go into agency? That had what I refer to one-size-fits-all approach to nearly two million million passengers a day. Anybody could be a terrorist which is technically true but why was it Mike Question to leadership. Tsa Wise. I've been allowed to get on a plane for almost twenty seven years in an FBI agent with a deadly weapon. Any federal law enforcement officer can bring his Zahur weapon on board a plane. It happens every single day right and it's because we have determined that you're not a risk right. There's a special provision in particular for federal law enforcement to allow that and then for some state and local law enforcement with appropriate Clearance protocols if you will so would I- asset asset question with TSA leadership. They said well. That's that's different because you're napping I obviously I said well. Can't we apply that same principle of mitigating risk risk but doing it in an informed way using information intelligence so we don't treat everybody as a terrorist. The one size fits all solution. Doesn't doesn't make sense. It didn't make sense to me and so I had a leadership summit in October of two thousand ten with the one hundred twenty at that time time with Jones Federal Security directors in charge of the four hundred fifty airports and then the headquarters eighteen or so assistant administrators and executives and said. I think we need to move. Tsa in a new direction to go from one-size-fits-all to what will call risk based security recognizing that there's risking herited everything we do. We got up this morning and you got a bed. You take on some risk you drive to work well clearly if you drive to work but even just getting up and getting a cup of coffee awesome. There's life has risks inherent throughout. So can we apply some meaningful standards and criteria EM- protocols that buys down or mitigates risk without trying to eliminate risk because when you try to eliminate risk you shut things down the only way eliminate it in air. Traffic is nobody flies. What was the reaction in the room? There was a general sense of okay. This might help us. But it's also a sense of concern so what I I told them and for those of your listeners who do leadership studies and things like that I said look I need you as leadership. TSA The sixty three thousand person organization to buy into this. And if you personally don't agree with I understand that but I need you to tell me now and I will help you find working another agency or different position but not in leadership. But I can't have any of this passive aggressive Yobbo Bossy. We've got it in all four. That and to their credit three of the executive came up after the conference and said appreciate what you're doing all that want to support you but I that's not what I signed up for. I don't believe it I don't believe it because I'm concerned one of the expressions of TSA is not on my watch. They're not going to be another nine eleven on my watch and so they take that very seriously and so for these three. The sense was that exposes us to too much risk. And so I don't want to take that on. And so I have to find jobs in other agencies. They were uncomfortable. Moving from a one-size-fits-all approach to risk based strategy. That's right they were not now what I found out several months later with their to others in the room who swore allegiance but said the yeah. Yeah we're with you boss. who were not actually and so when I learned about that I did remove them and didn't help them find other work. And so yeah people bought into it because because TSA reputation was so bad at the time. That I think people are looking for a change and somebody willing to take on the risk of perhaps losing their job job so what does a risk based strategy mean. What does it look like? Yeah so it's probably the most known aspect of the Migration Gratien from one-size-fits-all due to risk based security as TSA pre check. So it's a known trusted traveler program in partnership with the what's called global injury which is a Customs Border Protection Program for re entry to the US and so two TSA pre check is people who sign up with with the government and provide some really basic background information some biometric information fingerprints and they go through a vetting process us. And then if they're approved then in all likelihood they will be able to go through expedited screening. Don't have to take your shoes off. Don't take jacket off because we know something about them so we can make an informed judgment or decision that they are lower risk than the general population. You have high risk no fly you have general risk or general population and you have low risk pre check. Yes so can we take that a step further yes and TSA continues to assess those opportunities indies on an ongoing basis. So for example I was there we looked at. Could we allow people to bring a bottle of water not just three ounces. If you will hundred milliliters here's but could they take a whole bottle of water because there is equipment that can scan it a bottle of water determine whether it's water or is it liquid explosives but it's time consuming and costly because it just is not an efficient process so one of the questions I asked once we got. Tsa Pre check checkup and running will. We've already assessed them as lower risk. What if we allow them to take a bottle of water on and by that time I was is leaving? Tsa so that didn't happen. There's pros and cons of all these policies decisions but for example going back to risk based security the over on Rela policy that that we put in place and TSA pre check. Being the most notable that was only one of twenty five different changes that we made to to help by down risk. Because we're able to spend more time on higher risk individuals and cargo and things like that and expedite those sewer assessment being lower risk. John has preached worked. Oh I think it has a it's Included people who are assessed at lower risk and able to excite them which actually cuts down the lines and the regular lanes for the standard screening. And so it's been a win win in that regard and TSA is continually assessing how to improve the system. So the I think that's it has been a good outcome and if people like it I'll take full credit for it is. There's anything anything they don't like about. TSA and giving name my successor. Two Times would move now. Did you hear from the public a lot in that role. Oh every once in a while so my first Fall at design two thousand ten when we are now implementing this new enhanced pat down to look for under bombs and things like that I Actually did forty four media interviews in the week before Thanksgiving because there were people protested. Airports was signs and saying Um you boycott TSA and this one guy in San Diego. Don't touch my John. Connect caught a bunch of attention and all that and so I was being interviewed by everybody. and in that time frame so what are you GONNA do for example Mr Administrator when these protests show up airports I say we'll we'll work through it allow people who are traveling. But I wouldn't want to be somebody's protesting who causes person going home Thanksgiving to miss their flight because they've blocked lanes and things. That's not a good outcome for anybody. And Moreover John There is a threat there is a threat out there. Yeah and especially that was again again less than a year from the underwear bomber so not only. Was it a threat. It was real. It was manifest because we had intelligence at the time that al Qaeda and remains peninsula was working on a second generation which they actually deployed the following year but fortunately great intelligence out the Middle East identified the person and was able to detain that person that person overseas before he ever got on a plane nine and even if travelers are occasionally frustrated and I am an occasionally frustrated traveler. TSA has intercepted lots of prohibited items at airports around around the country. And they do that routinely. Oh yeah absolutely in fact every airport in say headquarters in the DC area has showcases of the crazy things things that people try to bring deadly weapons there was one guy In a western state one time is administrator who goes GSA. Checkpoint puts his carry on bag on on the conveyor to go through X. Ray takes his jacket off to walk through the metal detector and he's got shoulder holster with the same God in the shoulder. Older they said said Sir. Excuse me you get like. Oh Wow and a record. Number of handguns have been found this year. And and it's like people just forget and depending on where you are You the gun may be sees. You may be fine. TSA confined to eleven thousand dollars. If you're carrying a a weapon on the plane so people just need to be mindful of that. When did you leave? Tsa John in the end of two thousand fourteen. When I was I'd been asked to you? Consider serving as the fifth president of Interesting University my Alma Mater and I thought wow there's a crazy idea I notice a dry campus Of Fate Bay school. But what what are they. Smoking out there in Indiana and once I worked through the shock of that and yeah. The trustees eventually elected me and so I've been at university since in the spring of two thousand fifteen. I have visited you twice here. I can't test to the fact that you are enormously popular on campus. Because I've walked around with you. Well I think it's some concern again that I might put somebody on the no fly list or something so they give me nicer treatment here and everything nights great campus invite any your listeners. Come visit visit with A. Yeah they WANNA find out about what's going on in Christian Higher Ed Great Place and do a cybersecurity national security all these programs we have in fact they referred to affectionately here as PJ P. President. John Pasquarelli do and when I asked me bout it which I appreciate them asking. I thought well that's Kinda Weird. I've been called a lot of things that I thought as some some of the names I've been called and two guys had tears I thought. PGP Yeah I'll go with that you've been called worse. I had been called much worse. Yes while we're sitting sitting in your office on the campus of Anderson University in Anderson. Indiana will you are the president and I am enormously grateful to John Not just for the opportunity to sit down with you today today but for remarkable legacy of service to the FBI and the TSA and tore nation. Thank you chuck and I wanted to congratulate you on your enormously popular. I'll be there podcast. I just think he goes to show what people are really acid desperate to hear about civility and public service. And some things that are so important to us as a democracy and just this great country so thank you for what you've been doing if we have succeeded Janis because we guessed like you thank you. It's been honored beyond appreciate thanks to John. Pistol his terrific assistant. Rhonda Reimer and the Wonderful Ungracious folks at Anderson University in Anderson Indiana for hosting our podcast. We spent a great day with John. Anderson campus visited several all classes and met with dozens of bright and engage students. As we walked around Anderson with the man affectionately known in these parts is PJ P. That's president in John Pistol. You can see. His life has indeed come full circle in and around this college and this town from Anderson to the FBI to the TSA and back to Anderson PJ. P. is right where he belongs. If you like this episode please let us know by leaving us a five star rating on whatever APP US to listen and if you have any

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Content farmers and disinformation tactics. PhantomLance: quiet, selective, and apparently effective. Lawful intercept and contact-tracing apps. A look at the black market.

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Content farmers and disinformation tactics. PhantomLance: quiet, selective, and apparently effective. Lawful intercept and contact-tracing apps. A look at the black market.

"Researchers see a coming shift in tactics used by Chinese content. Farmers amplifying disinformation through influencers and other agents of influence. Phantom Lance is a quiet and selective Vietnamese cyber espionage campaign lawful intercept and contact tracing APPs. Joe Kerrigan from Johns Hopkins Cheating in online games. Our guest is Tanya ubereats from the FBI on their engagement with both the public and private sector during cove. Nineteen and the black market for malware is surprisingly open sheep and attentive to its customers. It's time to take a moment to tell you about our sponsor recorded future if you haven't already done so take a look at recorded futures cyber daily we look at it. 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Wire podcast is made possible in part by McAfee security built natively in the cloud for the cloud to protect the latest containers to empower your change makers like developers and to enable business accelerators like your team's cloud security that accelerates business. It's about time go to McAfee dot com slash time from the cyber wire studios at data tribe. I'm Dave Bittner with your cyber wires summary for Wednesday April twenty ninth twenty twenty a cyber espionage campaign. Kaspersky calls Phantom Lance has been able to infiltrate Google play an appears to be the work of Vietnam Ocean Lotus Group Phantom Lance who's masters appear interested in collecting both domestic and foreign influence is relatively quiet. It Taylor's itself to its targets. The better to avoid overloading them with noisy unneeded functionality. It's also relatively selective in its choice of targets since two thousand sixteen. Roughly three hundred attempts have been observed with most of the targets in India Vietnam Bangladesh and Indonesia Algeria Iran South Africa Nepal Myanmar and Malaysia. Also figured on the list recorded futures insect group reports that while Chinese influence operations have tended to present a benign well intentioned face to the larger world. Beijing's elbows are a great deal sharper when it comes to dealing with Hong Kong and Taiwan Taiwan's relatively successful attempts to prevent mainland disinformation from having any significant effect on the country's elections can be expected to lead China's content farmers to look for more effective tactics. These are likely to include an increased emphasis on cultivating local influencers who could lend amplification credibility to Beijing's line that sort of amplification may be seen as well in Chinese disinformation efforts related to the cove in nineteen pandemic. We've mentioned that. Cnn reported earlier this week that a US Army reservist who participated in last October's World Military Games in Wuhan has been falsely identified as the source of infection. The story began as Chinese Government. Disinformation but was subsequently picked up and distributed by a gaggle of youtubers fascinated by bogus conspiracy theories the. Us Army is providing the reservist with support against the attention. Colonel Sunset told the army times quote. The army is providing support to help Sergeant First Class Benassi with the public attention as a matter of policy. The army would neither confirm nor deny any safety or security measures taken on behalf of an individual however as we would with any soldier the army will work with the appropriate authorities to ensure that she and her family are properly protected and quote vendors of lawful intercept tools spyware and popular jargon and when misused are offering their products to government says a quick approach to scaling. Cova nineteen contact. Tracing Israel based celebrate has according to Reuters offered its products to police India as an aide to tracking people who may have been exposed to infection. Celebrate is best known for a tool that law enforcement agencies have used to gain access to iphones in the course of criminal investigations. Celebrate points out that it's long offered its product to law and that it recommends that participation in such contact tracing should be voluntary the Israeli government is said to be working with. Nso Group whose Pegasus intercept tool has gained notoriety to develop similar capabilities cyprus-based intellect saga and new york-based variant have also offered their products government's in contact tracing observers. Suggest that surveillance tools of this kind are too imprecise. For contact tracing purposes for that to be done effectively it would need to be able to determine proximity within ten meters or less and ideally within two meters Bluetooth based APPS may be able to do that but the GEO location provided by surveillance tools are generally thought by critics to be too coarse for such purposes. The FBI has been playing an active role in the global response to cove nineteen inspired cybercrime through outreach and coordination with both the public and private sectors Tonia UBEREATS is deputy assistant director in the FBI's Cyber Division. You look historically the perception of the FBI There's a sense that we're slowly methodically collecting evidence to hold in a vault until Sunday when we could put handcuffs on someone that's certainly always a goal to bring someone to that kind of Judicial outcome but it's not the only goal really. Our primary objective is to impose risks and consequences on their cyber adversaries. And we do that in a number ways and what we're doing during the the Kovin pandemic is one example. A lot of what you all are up to. These days involves partnering with organizations in both the private sector and government is well Can you give insights? As to the activities? They're sure so if you look at the array of departments and agencies as well as organizations in the private sector that work against cyber threats the FBI is really in a unique position kind of in the centre of that ecosystem that's in part because of our unique authorities focusing on not only criminal threats with cybercrime but also National security threats that typically emanate from overseas as well with the private sector. You have to be is really unique in that. We are a dispersed organization We have a headquarters element of course but our strength is really in our field offices which are Fifty six scattered throughout the country as well as hundreds of satellite offices and the personnel in those offices are part of communities. So don't think about it. Typical image of the FBI agent showing up in a raid jacket. Think about the person standing next to you on the sidelines of a soccer game who you have relationships with Ideally before something bad happens and that's really the focus of our engagement building those relationships before you need to call us in a crisis it really strikes me This effort on on behalf of The F. B. I. At outreach really Engaging a really a a recognition embracing that To fight these things We only do work together. It's absolutely critical to what we do. And it's not just in the Cyber Program. I mean the the FBI is built on those relationships in communities so the targets that were most concerned about protecting the US government are under the control of the US government and to with the growth and emergence of an increasingly sophisticated commercial cybersecurity industry. Us government doesn't have the monopoly on information that can help us. Illuminate cyber threats. So it's critically important that we work with Internet service providers commercials cyber security companies as well as the owners and operators of critical infrastructure. We each have pieces of this puzzle and we really need to work together to most effectively. Support these attacks. That's Tony Ubereats. She's deputy assistant director in the FBI's Cyber Division. Some of the contact tracing APPs seem to work as intended but voluntary participation remains. Well below would epidemiologists believe necessary. Many of the Bluetooth based contact tracing apps like those under development by apple and Google are both voluntarily installed and decentralized treating mobile devices as proxies for persons of course imperfect not everyone has a device and not everyone who does carries it around with them but the simplifying assumption that the presence of a phone more or less equals the presence of a person should still have considerable utility a study conducted at Oxford University. Estimated that to stop an epidemic of population would have participated rates of about sixty percent although even lower levels of participation could be expected to have a positive effect the Oxford researchers offer survey data. They regard as encouraging they've collected feedback from over six thousand potential abusers in five countries which suggests that eighty four point three percent of users would definitely or probably install a contact tracing APP for Corona virus in the UK after lockdown and between sixty seven point. Five and five point five percent in France Germany Italy and the USA. But that seems now to be over optimistic. Even the success stories fall below half the population and in most cases they're lower than the forty percent participation rate. The conversation says authorities in Australia to take one example would be happy with the Washington Post reports that most Americans are either unwilling or unable to use even the relatively non intrusive voluntary and decentralized contact tracing APPs Washington Post University of Maryland poll finds widespread reluctance among Americans to install such an APP and concludes that skepticism about big Tex reliability as a steward of personal data forms. The principal basis of that reluctance. Finally Cyber News has taken a look at the malware for sale in dark web markets and concludes that it's surprisingly affordable and accessible. They looked at ten such markets and evaluated them for malware availability cost of the tools being sold and availability of customer support. They found fairly capable tools selling for as little as fifty bucks complete with updates and troubleshooting still buyer. 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Podcast JOE great to have you back Dave I WanNa talk today about online gaming and I know this is something that you spend some time doing. I do yes And of course. Nobody likes a cheater. No I despise despise people who are so good. They might be cheating right. I think they're either is where you cannot tell the difference. There's are such yes yes. The problem is my skills are so low that a of really skilled player might look to me like a cheater. I don't know well. This is a real problem for the folks who run these online games because eaters. They take advantage of the systems. And it's not fair to the other people who are playing the Games and and some of these games have Things that are that can be traded for having real value so we actually have a couple of stories today that Have to do with cheating. Why don't you walk us through these? So the first one actually comes from ars Technica and it's from a company called riot games and they have a game coming out called Valerien via L. O. R. A. N. T. and they are putting in a kernel level driver that is designed to be an anti cheating system now traditionally these games operating on the user level the computer which is higher up from the colonel level. You can think of the user level is the highest level right where the least amount of damage can happen and the colonel level as the lowest level where the most amount of damage can happen. Okay and that's that's really the concern. Here is that They are writing something that hooks into the colonel and if something is wrong with this piece of software than a bug in this software that causes a failure could very well crashed the machine. Give you a blue screen of death as opposed to just crashing an application at the user level right. Which is we see bugs in software all the time particularly on windows which has a much broader ecosystem of APP developers. Microsoft doesn't enforce like apple does Requirements and approval. So anybody can write an APP for a program for For windows and if that windows APP is buggy than it will crash but fortunately it doesn't touch the colonel so it's fine. The the operating system keeps right on chugging and the user experiences a minor inconvenience that is caused solely by the application and that inconvenience impacts only that application right. Now you're talking about putting something into the kernel which would not be so innocuous if something here fails then the entire kernel could very well fail which means you'll get that blue screen of death. Additionally if there is discovered in this device or in this in this kernel driver a buffer overflow exploit it could let an attacker install their own militias code at a very level of the operating system essentially with you no administrator privileges so the security concern here. Is that a user installing? This opens up that surface area at at the very lowest levels of their system. That's right angles security issues. That's right now on the other side of the argument. There is a valid reason for doing this right cheaters. Ruin the game experience for other players. And they devalue the game for the company right 'cause if I get on there on a game and there's just a bunch of cheaters on their play in that game that's that's no fun and cheat. Cheating is something that has been going on in these video games for years and video game companies. Try to try to handle these cheaters. And and of course they give them something called the ban hammer which is where they They kick them out and they don't let him back in because once a cheater always cheater. They'd say I don't know how effective that is because it's very easy just to create another account and get back on their unless you're in something like steam where I have most of my assets for gaming are on steam if I got banned I couldn't I would have to go out and buy the game again right now. Do the do the folks who are cheating or are they generally running At the root level a lot of times they are they're running in the colonel level they're using cheat modes or cheat software that runs in the kernel space so that the game software that detects cheating at the user space can't really determine that it's cheating that's why they're going into into the lower level here. This is not something new or unique fortnight. Does this arc. Survival evolved has a fully proactive colonel based protection system. As they call it but everybody remembers the old Sony. Drm debacle from two thousand five were Sony essentially installed a root kit on everybody her for digital rights management for you. Yeah I think this is significantly different number. One they're telling you they're doing this. Sony didn't tell you they were doing this writing number two. They're they're doing this because they're trying to protect the playing experience for the vast majority of the users not because they're trying to protect their intellectual property. I don't I don't think that's what's going on here. I think this is really the mission here is really to protect. The user experience riot is working with application security teams. They've had had this Thing evaluated by Three different security evaluators and they also have a bug bounty program so hopefully if there is a bug that's found they'll quickly know about it and then they can handle it. Well let's move onto the second story here. Which is a little more lighthearted and I have to say I I got A. I got a kick out of Another way that some of these Game providers are dealing with cheaters. Right now this is from Infinity Ward and activision. Who are the makers of call of duty modern warfare and work zone? And what they're doing is they also have a what they probably proclaim is zero tolerance policy towards cheating and they have banned fifty thousand cheaters in a month. Which is a lot of cheaters? One of the things we're doing now is they're finding people who they suspect of cheating and they're putting them all in the same game with each other they're taking these guys and they're removing them from my game and putting them all into the room game which will frustrate them to no end as well so it benefits me and it frustrates them which is great. I kind of quarantine them all together. Give them their own. Let them shoot at each other all day. Long right executive cheats. Yeah yeah all right well. interesting Cat and mouse game for sure Joe Kerrigan thanks for joining us. My pleasure and that's the cyber wire for links to all today's stories. Check out our daily briefing at the cyber wire dot com and for professionals and cyber security leaders. Who WANT TO STAY. Abreast of this rapidly evolving field. Sign up for cyber wire pro. It will save you time and keep you informed. Listen for US on your Alexa. Smart Speaker to thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber possible especially are supporting sponsor observed approved point company and the leading insider Threat Management Platform. Learn more at observe DOT com. The cyber wire podcast is proudly produced in Maryland out of the startup studios of data tribe with their co building. The next generation of cybersecurity teams and technologies are amazing. Cyber wire team is Elliott Peltzman Peru. Precaut- Stefan healthy bond. Tim No Dr Joe. Kerrigan errol -Tario Ben Yellen. Nick Valenki Jeanne. 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The Cyberspace Solarium reports. Coronavirus scams and coronavirus realities. Notes on Marchs Patch Tuesday.

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The Cyberspace Solarium reports. Coronavirus scams and coronavirus realities. Notes on Marchs Patch Tuesday.

"The Cyberspace Alarium has released. Its report as promised and they wish to make your flesh. Creep Corona virus scams and fish bait amount to what some are calling an Info Democ some notes on patch Tuesday and finally some words on the actual corona virus epidemic and now a word from our sponsor observe it approved point company the greatest threat to businesses. Today isn't the outsider trying to get in. It's the people you trust the ones who already have the keys. Your employees contractors and privileged users sixty percent of online attacks are carried out by insiders. Stop these insider threats. You need to see what users are doing. Before an incident occurs observe it enables security teams to detect risky user activity investigate incidents in minutes and effectively respond with observed. You'll know the whole story get your free trial at observed dot com slash cyber wire. That's absurd dot com slash cyber wire and we thank observant for sponsoring our show funding for this cyber wire. Podcast is made possible in part by McAfee security built natively in the cloud for the cloud to protect the latest like containers to empower your change makers like developers and to enable business accelerators like your team's filed security. That accelerates business. It's about time Goto McAfee dot com slash time from the cyber wire studios data tribe. I'm Dave Bittner with your cyber wire summary for Wednesday March Eleventh Two Thousand Twenty the US Cyberspace Solarium released. Its report today. Which includes as foreseen seventy five recommendations grouped under six headings first reform the US government structure and organized for Cyberspace second strengthened norms and non military tools third promote national resilience fourth reshape the cyber ecosystem fifth operationalized cybersecurity collaboration with the private sector and finally preserve an employee the military instruments of national power. The recommendations are framed against the background of national vulnerability to a sudden disabling cyber-campaign that possibility is established imaginatively within the report by an introductory piece of fiction. A warning from tomorrow in which legislative staffers working from a Roslyn Virginia high-rise survey the cyber induced devastation across the Potomac with a sense of despair and futility the river itself is discolored. Read with the release of the wrong chemicals from upstream treatment plants. The city's low-lying areas were flooded from reservoirs drained when their sensors were hacked drone wreckage. Litters the mall and so on the story speaks of Capitol Hill and of course Roslin is across the Potomac from the actual Capitol Hill but clearly the writers are dealing with the geography of the spirit. Not Prosaic Real Estate Cyberspace is this Alarium sees. It is an incipient dystopia. We quote while America Looks Forward To the potential of cyberspace and associated technologies to improve the quality of human life. Threats continue to grow at an accelerating pace. America is facing adversary nation states extremists and criminals that are leveraging emerging technologies to an unprecedented degree authoritarian states seek to control every aspect of life in their societies and export this style of government in which surveillance trump's liberty to the rest of the world. There is no public square. Only black boxes proliferating propaganda and organizing economic activity to benefit the few at the expense of the many rogue states extremists and criminals thrive in the dark web taking advantage of insecure network connections and market for Malware to prey on victims and quote. There's no mystery as to the identity of the principal nation state adversaries this time around either. They're the familiar for Russia. China Iran and North Korea the non-state actors the report. Cites are also familiar criminal gangs half Davis Organizations Lone wolves like the report of the original Cold War solarium which considered Nuclear Strategy The Cyberspace. Alarium used three teams to come up with competing approaches to the challenge. It was set also like the original the new scenarios recommendations. Concentrate heavily on deterrence and resilience. The commissioner's offer some big ideas to get the conversation started. These include the conviction that deterrents in cyberspace is possible that such deterrence relies on a resilient economy and will require government reform that the private sector must up its own security game and that election security must be given high priority deterrence would involve defending forward would be layered. The report says designed to shape behavior deny benefits and impose costs thus prospective attackers who worked the calculus of cyber conflict would be dissuaded I by international entanglement and international norms the low probability of deriving any benefit from an attack would further persuade them that offensive action would be largely futile and finally in the third level. The shore prospect of retaliation punishment. The imposition of costs would convince them that it wasn't in their interest to attack the logic of deterrence the report says hasn't substantially changed in more than half a century. Josh Mayfield is from security firm. Risk I Q and he joins us with insights on what he describes. As the coming age of conquest and information control one of the things. That's probably under emphasized is the motivating imperative that has hackers feel. It really drives a lot of their behavior. I mean these are believed generating goal seeking animals that all humans are and so one of the things that's necessary is to understand what those are and one of the things that I'd mentioned that got this conversation. Going was that rewind the clock twenty years ago or so and the the main driver. The name motiveless notoriety. Within someone's own Social Creek Right The notoriety in the esteem I would get among my peers. And that motive is Dave. Way to a more financially driven motive primarily snatch and grab so let me break in steal and then go pawn it off somewhere else and now we see another way another epoch that I see that we see risk Q. Is At its mood into conquest. And so now No I don't just want to break in steal and take away and sell the someone else who might want this this piece of digital material whether it's again social security number or a resource itself we're seeing a mindset shift. Where instead of trespassing like it used to be. You know notoriety among your group. Oh you snuck in. Oh you've found the weaknesses. Who aren't you extraordinary to financial gain And now all the way to direct conquest well. Let's explore that a bit. I mean given what you're saying here that That we've we've we've reached this point of professionalism and the way that the bad guys are coming at us. What is the appropriate response? These days then how organizations best prepare themselves for defense the best way to prepare yourself. Defense especially in an age where there's the baseline of savvy is much higher. The people that are going into the cyber criminal profession are people that are coming in with a a higher baseline and so you have that sophistication and skill set. It's already being developed. And when you add to it the opportunity and the motive that drives all of us the opportunity because the flanks and it's a short hop skip a jump for someone to enter that criminal behavior and so when you have just more of them that have more skills and they have more opportunity to to take advantage of a weakness because there are more weaknesses that are going unnoticed. That's the part that organizations can control. We can't change the motives in the drives the attacker. We can't even change what their skill sets happened to be. We can do. We can reduce their opportunity. We can neutralize that tendency to go from esteem to theft to conquest we can be a very inhospitable environment for them to try to tip toe into because we have is everywhere and we can see all of that. Risk and threat. Work is a game of probabilities. What we can focus on what we kantar. Attention on is lowering the probability of exploit and the best way to do that is by seeing all those places where could happen and mitigate any of the risks and exposures before they actually are hit and I would just say that. That's one of the things to really focus on. We can do a lot of work trying to interpret and understand an. At we can look into nation states and we can't imagine worst-case scenarios but in reality what what ends up getting hit is the exposure. You didn't see coming that was just opportunistically available for an attacker at the right time. That's Josh Mayfield from risk. Iq Take the corona virus seriously but stay alert to cove in nineteen themes scams no before risk IQ and others share warnings about this trend. It's the usual sad all too often sadly persuasive stuff by this cure by this product. Donate to this charity and all will be well. Yesterday was patched Tuesday and Microsoft addressed. A total of one hundred fifteen vulnerabilities twenty-six of which are rated critical. Eighty eight are considered important and one is held to be moderately severe. The good news is that none of them. Appear to be currently exploited in the wild Mozilla also released updates for Fire Fox Fire Fox. Es are yesterday their patches. Resolved twelve distinct vulnerabilities. The Most Serious Fire Fox vulnerability addressed exposes patched systems to Arbitrary Code execution. We heard from security firm. Avantis on marches round patches. Their recommendation is to give priority to windows. Os Microsoft Office and Browser Patches. This month adobe did not issue its usual. Round Patches Health net security reports. It's not immediately known whether adobe will push fixes in the near term or not and finally at least two of our industry's own have come down with Cova. Nineteen the corona virus strain. That's been the source of so much concern. Xm says the two of its people have come down with Cova nineteen and we wish them a swift and complete recovery. It's not clear when they contracted the virus but both of them were at exit beams booth in the Mosconi Center last month symptoms appeared after their return from the conference if you're at RSA see Xm urges that you take whatever steps you find prudent to ensure you're not affected for their part are SAC says they've been monitoring the outbreak but haven't yet found any clear link to the conference nonetheless. The conference organizers urge anyone who attended to refer to CDC recommendations concerning testing treatment and prevention of cove in nineteen the CDC emphasizes that the best prevention is to avoid infection and the measures. They recommend are familiar from advice given during flu season. Wash your hands frequently. Avoid places where you might be exposed and so on. Vox has a summary of advice from public. Health experts on what individuals and organizations can do to slow the rate at which the virus spreads their headline sums it up canceled events and self quarantines save lives the cases of exhibitions. People aren't trivial. One of those affected is hospitalized in guarded condition. Crn reports spare a thought or a prayer for two of our colleagues in their families and stay safe. It's time to take a moment to tell you about our sponsor recorded future. They help security teams. Make more confident. Decisions Faster. Recorded Futures. Technology automates broad collection and analysis of cyberthreat data and delivers the rich external context. You need to understand. Alerts emerging threats with real time threat intelligence from recorded future security teams respond to threats sixty three percent faster and find undetected threats? Ten Times quicker recorded future integrates with the security products. You already use making the intelligence you need accessible and relevant use it to improve your security operations incident response vulnerability management and more if you're facing challenges like the cybersecurity skills shortage or more alert than your team can handle consider recorded future threat intelligence goto recorded future dot com slash cyber wire who subscribe for free threat intelligence updates from recorded future. It's timely it's solid and it's on the money and we thank recorded future for sponsoring our show And joining me once again Joe Kerrigan. He's from the Johns Hopkins University Information Security Institute also my co host on the hacking humans. Podcast Joe Great to have you back by Dave Interesting story share this week. this is Some good stuff coming out of the FBI. It's a mixed bag of stuff. It's interesting as good. I I don't mean to To despair as the FBI here. I think what they're doing here is great. Yeah but they. The headline this is from Cyber Scoop. It says an F. B. I. Unit recovered three hundred million dollars of reported cybercrime from losses last year. But that's out of three point. Five billion dollars in lost so it's less than ten percent of the money that was lost. They've recovered however a three hundred million dollars is nothing to sneeze at. No no not at all and off. They've spoken with Tonya Ubereats who is a deputy assistant director from the Cyber Division as she was talking about the The Internet Crime Complaint Center the I C. Three that responded to more than four hundred and sixty seven thousand complaints in two thousand nineteen. Now there were three hundred fifty one thousand complaints in two thousand eighteen so that is a huge increase and something I find amazing about. This is every one of these complaints gets analyzed by a person. That's amazing that is amazing. I mean that you can get more than a close to half a million complaints and every one of them gets examined by person at some point. I just imagine the staffing that requires. Yeah it's huge Some interesting statistics in this of the three point five billion. That was stolen last year. One point seven of that one point. Seven billion of that was taken from business. Email compromise camps these very sophisticated scams where people are in your email. We've talked about him on hacking humans. We talked about him here. They're watching the conversation and when when the time is right they inject a message into the into the conversation. That says oh by the way. We're changing our banking details. And here's the new banking information. And then the money gets sent to the scammers or to the to the to the criminals and off it goes and that is very difficult to recoup recoup that loss. Or if you're doing a wire transfer yeah they they talk about a particular case here where someone Transferred seven hundred eighty five thousand dollars. Yeah this is a case out of New Jersey. Someone who is buying a home believe they were transferring. Almost eight hundred thousand dollars to a lender but was actually sending it to an impostor masquerading bank when this happens. It's absolutely devastating because that transaction is not happening again. Because if you can't get that money back then you don't have another eight hundred thousand dollars lying around to buy a home right right. I imagine this was a down payment on on a large property. Yeah but you don't. You're not GONNA have that money laying around again. This happens at at smaller scales to. We've seen this happen where people lose down payments of twenty thousand dollars that they're putting down on a house to cost one hundred fifty thousand dollars sure and these are people who have worked for years to save up that twenty thousand dollars. Yeah and now. It's gone and now they can't buy a house which is one of the one of the great things that we like to do. Here in America's We'd like to have home ownership. Yeah right they say In this article that In this case recovery asset team was able to get six hundred sixty five thousand dollars of the money back right which is a great ratio for them and And evidently they there was also an insurance policy. That'll help Make up the difference. It is good news unfortunately very unusual. I think it is. It is This this person transferring eight hundred thousand dollars probably is is aware of the risk in doing this. They probably have insurance for this purpose. Good for them but again like I said when this happens to someone smaller some first time home buyer who might be twenty five years old doesn't have a lot of money it's devastating yeah well a good reminder that folks like these teams at the FBI are out there fighting the good fight and they are able to claw back some of this money but Not as much as you'd hope not as much as you'd hope but they're I think they're getting better at it. I think there's ways to make this better with policy and And checks and balances in the system as well as criminal prosecution. And we're going to start seeing a lot more of that over time. All right well Interesting Story Joe Kerrigan. Thanks for joining US budget. And that's the cyber wire you may note. I am not particularly good voice today. That is just seasonal allergies so no fever no worries not yet links to all of today's stories check out our daily briefing at the Cyber Warrior Dot Com and for professionals and cybersecurity leaders. Who WANT TO STAY. Abreast of this rapidly evolving field. Sign up for cyber wire pro. It will save you time and keep you informed. Listen for US on your Alexa. Smart Speaker to thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire possible especially are supporting sponsor observed approved point company and the leaving Insider Threat Management Platform. Learn more at observe. It DOT com. The cyber wire podcast is proudly produced in Maryland out of the startup studios of data tribe. Where they're co- building the next generation of cybersecurity teams and technologies are amazing. Cyber wire team is Elliott Peltzman Peru. Precaut- Stefan vizier. Kelsey bond. Tim No Dr Joe Kerrigan Herald -Tario than Yellen. Nick Valenki Gina Johnson. Bennett Mo- Chris Russell. John Patrick Jennifer Ibon Rick Howard Heater Kilby. And I'm Dave Bittner. Thanks for listening. We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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A Parliamentary report alleges active Huawei cooperation with Chinese intelligence. Coordinated inauthenticity, mostly focused on domestic opinion. Guilty pleas from former eBayers.

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20:17 min | 2 months ago

A Parliamentary report alleges active Huawei cooperation with Chinese intelligence. Coordinated inauthenticity, mostly focused on domestic opinion. Guilty pleas from former eBayers.

"A parliamentary committee issues a scathing report on always connection to the Chinese government and the Communist Party of China facebook takes down coordinated inauthentic. Domestic focus in four countries twitter goes after influence operators in four countries, Betsy Carmelite, addresses, threats to telehealth platforms. Our guests are the FBI's herb stapleton and the US Secret Services Greg McAleer on their new multi-agency mission center, which is hoping to tackle the highest priority cybercriminals threats facing the US and two of the former ebay charged in a cyber stalking case have taken their expected guilty pleas. From cyber wire studios data try I'm Dave Bittner with your cyber wire summary for Friday October. Ninth. Two Thousand Twenty. The BBC reports that a British parliamentary committee yesterday released a report that concluded there was clear evidence of collusion between Weiwei and the Chinese Communist Party. While tut-tutting a bit to inoculate itself against charges of ill informed anti-china hysteria. The House of Commons Defense Committee supported its conclusions by noting the subsidies. The company has received from the Chinese government some seventy, five, billion dollars over the last three years that subsidy enabled wile away. The report said to low ball, its competition and secure great market share by selling its equipment at a ridiculously low price point. The report also cites research that alleges that the Shenzhen hardware giant has engaged in a variety of intelligence security and intellectual property activities in some. The parliamentary study concludes it is clear that wall way is strongly linked to the Chinese. State and the Chinese Communist Party despite its statements to the contrary this is evidenced by its ownership model and the subsidies it has received. The report is expected to have the effect of advancing the replacement of Wa way equipment in the UK's telecommunications infrastructure for its part. While way expressed its confidence that people will see through these accusations of collusion and remembered instead what while way has delivered for Britain over the past twenty years Fortune sees the report is harsher than any official statements other critics of wow way including the US and Australian government have so far offered. It represents direct official accusation that wall way is actively working for the Chinese government. Previous warnings have concentrated on the company's susceptibility to Beijing's influence and this report goes beyond that. Yesterday both facebook and twitter disclosed the discovery and suspension of politically motivated or state connected networks of inauthentic. Accounts. Books, take downs involved coordinated authenticity that sought to engage mostly domestic audiences. A US based network of thinly-veiled. Associated with the rally forge marketing firm, which appears to have been working on behalf of turning point USA and another conservative political organization that favored the reelection of president trump. The networks audience was primarily US domestic one with secondary audiences in Botswana and Kenya. Those distinctly secondary audiences were delivered content that. Favored big game hunting a topic perhaps of concern to factions in those two countries. They spoke also dismantled network in Myanmar that consisted of seventeen pages fifty facebook accounts in six instagram accounts. Their line was critical of the national, League for Democracy and political leader Aung Sang Suu key. There was also some anti Rohingya content. The network was linked to members of Myanmar's military. The social network removed five, hundred, eighty, nine, facebook accounts seven, thousand, nine, hundred, six pages, and four thousand forty, seven accounts on instagram based. In Asia by John these were engaged in praise of president ill, Ham Aleve, and the New Azerbaijan party criticism of the opposition with accusations of treason and denials that human rights were being abused in. Azerbaijan. They also included patriotic content about the ongoing fighting with Armenia over Nagorno Karabakh. Finally, in Nigeria seventy-nine facebook accounts, forty-seven pages, ninety three groups and forty eight instagram accounts were suppressed. The networks supported Ibraham Knock Zaki and Nigeria's Islamic movement they were critical of the government. Twitter's cancellations showed little overlap with facebook's most recent round although some of them did coincide with facebook's set enforcement round. quitter canceled inauthentic Iranian accounts that aimed principally deepening us social fissures during the election season. The company also removed more than five hundred Cuban accounts. It also canceled Saudi accounts that operated principally against regional rival Qatar. The most interesting take downs were a network of accounts associated with the Royal Thai Army that amplified pro government and anti opposition content Stanford's Internet. Story called the army's operation, low impact and cheerleading without fans. The Bangkok Post reports that the Royal Thai Army has denied any involvement in disinformation. And finally to former Ebay employees sometime members of the online auction services. Global Intelligence team have entered their guilty pleas in a Massachusetts case of cyber stalking. The harassment was directed against a mom and pop newsletter that somehow attracted would appears retrospectively to be the disproportionate ire of some e bay managers on of whom remain employed by the company. Reuters, reports the three other global intelligence team alumni are expected to enter their own guilty pleas later this month. Total of seven former E. bears have been charged in the case. The FBI the US Secret Service and other federal agencies are partnering in a Unique Mission Center environment to tackle the highest priorities cybercriminals threats against the United States including ransomware the new mission center based at the National Cyber. Joint Task Force will integrate operations and intelligence across agency lines to more effectively impose risks and consequences on cyber adversaries. Joining us to discuss the new initiative are FBI. Cyber Division section chief over CYBERCRIME HERB STAPLETON AND US Secret Service Executive Deputy Assistant Director Greg McAleer. We hear from Greg. I leave interesting thing about the secret service's equities in. Enforcing an investigating cybercrimes is we share many of the same equities as the FBI and a we have historically worked very well together I think what we figured out now is that this mission said is is just so big that everybody has to participate and we have to combine forces in order to combat the threat The Secret Service has the in ten thirty the difference I think with the Secret Service in FBI. Is, we do not have a necessarily a national security armed. We investigate only crimes with entitled eighteen now since cyber is such a ubiquitous. Operation we frequently wind up with national security. Touch points within our investigations and there was a natural connection for us to share that information with the FBI and furthering that is the NCI where now the secret service, the FBI and all our partners work together with all of erect at the table. So herb can you give us some insights here? What do you hope to come out of this partnership by by formalizing this would or some of the benefits that you hope to achieve? Well you know one of the ways that we look at the cybercrime problem is sort of like an enormous puzzle in. So one thing that we know is that we don't, we don't hold all the pieces to that puzzle here in the FBI. US Some of those pieces are held by the Secret Service, some of them by our private sector partners. So I think really bringing all that talent. Together from the Secret Service from the FBI other agencies who are willing to work together with us on the cybercrime problem bring that town together in one place and try to attack the problem as a whole of government as one US government. Instead of each individual agency on its own I think are really will lead to better outcomes for the American people by making sure that we have a priority. issue. That needs to be solved We're bringing all the resources of the US government to bear on that particular problem. Greg, can you give us some examples of of the kinds of things that you're hoping to tackle together? Are there certain types of of cybercrime that this will lend itself to? Well Dave the. Creation of their criminal mission center is a very it's. A very forward leaning. Idea that eighty Goram at share with my assistant director and I'm sure many of the other executives. In the other agencies. Traditionally within the FBI and within the NCI JT ATF was there were lines of effort. That had a a national security. Focus, and then there was criminality within those mission centers. So I think what the if if we were to look at the the I J t.f that way those are the kind of the bones and the colonel mission center is going to be the muscles in the ligaments that are GonNa Kinda move this this whole organization from forward. So we will roll up and interact with all the different centers. and. Then also explore the criminal elements within these these larger campaigns and I think that that's really what's going to drive this forward. This is a first time ever. By all the agencies to coalesce around the national security issues, and then the criminal issues which to herbs point were not always shared as seamlessly and as effectively as in the past. Greg is this sort of be putting the bad guys on notice around the world that that this is something that continues to be of growing importance to the US government. Oh absolutely, and I am happy and looking forward to putting as many of the bad guys says, you say on notice and I think that the NCAA JT F is the perfect vehicle for doing that. Herb, you know looking at the long term picture here. What do you hope comes out of this is this can you see other other parts of the government joining in? Is this the first step perhaps a many? Will certainly the secret service and the FBI aren't the only participants here at the NCI ATF so we certainly see those who are already Those agencies are already on board at the JT of being a big are the criminal mission center even if that's not their primary focus and we would also just being encouraged. An open door for working within the government in the in the cyberspace to come and take advantage of this collaboration opportunity I think over the long term you know certainly, we hope to achieve outcomes that are consistent with our mission. Putting bag is in jail disrupting the operations of cybercriminals all over the world having. Imposing risk in consequence on that cybercriminals ecosystem that makes all these things possible. But as we go along and do that I, hope that we also send a message to the American public in the people who count on us that that the FBI, the secret service and our other partners at the NCI JT F, we aren't working against each other to try to combat this cyber probable working together to try to make sure that of that this country can stay secure from cyber threats as possible. That's the FBI's Herbs Stapleton and the US Secret Services Greg McAleer There's more to this interview. You can check it out over on our website, the cyber wire dot com in the cyber wire pro section. and. Joining me once again is Betsy Carmelite she is a senior associate at Booz Allen Hamilton. Betsy, it's always great to have you back You know as we've been going through this covid nineteen pandemic there has been an explosion in the use of telehealth and I know that something that you and your team have been keeping an eye on and working with your customers with can you give some insights? What are some of the things that you're watching? Sure also say that this is something that's I've personally used and adopted. So I've been watching it as well from a personal perspective, but we've seen these telehealth services basically be an essential lifeline between patients and providers and are socially distance world right now during the covid nineteen pandemic but it's really important to remember that that these telehealth platforms really expand ones attack surface in could be a potential avenue for cyber attacks. So we're seeing private insurers in the the US government rapidly extend. Access to these medical services for for just millions of patients and doctors These platforms are also creating a digital footprint for cybercriminals to target. What sort of specific concerns are out there is folks for using these things. What are what are we worried about? Sure again, as a balance against, you know the benefits of using telehealth, these hidden security challenges could result in risks that outweigh the rewards. So we sansom software regulations around security and Oversight Protections which is very concerning. So government organizations have stated openly that they may not enforce rules designed to protect patient data or conduct audits for new patient billing. So some the hip waivers do raise the possibility of patient protection patient data protection being at risk. Me made things a little bit more nebulous around what is covered. And what's going to be regulated, but it's again striking the balance between accessible healthcare during this time and protecting the privacy infrastructure, and that's just a really difficult prospect right now. You the the easing of the HIP requirements is fascinating to me because on the one hand I a lot of people I've talked to including members of my own family have said I'm not going back. You know this? This. is is is convenient and like it and you know it just takes less than my time and I'm on board with this So I can't help wondering is organizations are adopting it I. Suppose they shouldn't assume that these these hippo waivers are going to be permanent. I suppose they should be working towards the possibility that things may tighten up in the future. Absolutely, because as you just pointed out, we'll probably see the persistence of the need for telehealth It's it's something where you know it's it's accelerated the adoption of these platforms. But now we've become accustomed to them and they've made life easier again, if health organizations in government regulators aren't making telehealth a security priority now maybe reevaluating hip waivers with that persistent use of of these platforms will likely see the exploitation only grow cybercriminals already profiting from from these security vulnerabilities. Until a health, you know they could possibly have cloud based services were patient Tata's toward oven that's potentially covid nineteen health related data. And Federal State local health departments all need quicker and greater access to that information. So we're linking to see greater use of the cloud storage. And and cybercriminals exploiting the vulnerabilities those. You know it's really fascinating how this whole experience has really been kind of a catalyst for moving things forward for forcing change I guess a much faster rate than anyone had expected. That's right. That's right. and you know we saw for one the these healthcare organizations needing to store and process far more data. Because of of the pandemic, it's likely that also any quick way expanded their digital infrastructure tool adoption and the need to secure that technology, but it probably has not kept pace. With the with the tool adoption. Alright, well, betsy. Carmelite. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. 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2011 - MAGA Teens, Studies Show What 'Build The Wall' Is Really About

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2011 - MAGA Teens, Studies Show What 'Build The Wall' Is Really About

"You are listening to a free Berge of majority report with Sam cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes daily program. Goodridge already dot S M, please. Giardi rapport with Sam cedar. It is Tuesday. January twenty second two thousand nineteen. My name is Sam cedar. This of the five time award winning majority report, we are rod casting live steps from the industrially ravage Ghana's canal in the heartland of America downtown Brooklyn USA. On the program today. Government still shut down Trump over the weekend. Offers warmed over Jared pablum. Really to be fair. I guess Stephen Miller pablum. Hey, while p p p polling suggests Martin O'Malley could win in twenty twenty. And as the supreme court begins its assault on gun control. Study shows you suicide rates correlate with states rates of gun ownership. And at the supreme court. Five four majority revives the band on transgender people serving in the military. Meanwhile, on the west coast L a teachers strike in day five is Denver Colorado next. Over the weekend. Kamala Harris, Kristen gillibrand entered the race. Twenty-six people own the same amount of wealth as three point eight billion people on this planet. I roll repeat twenty-six people own the same amount of wealth as three point eight billion people best of all possible worlds. We all want to be successful. Exactly. Four volunteers convicted for leaving water for migrants or immigrants in the desert. The existence of local papers is on the line as Volterra capitalists circle. And Trump tried to withhold disaster relief from Puerto Rico because he's not racist. And speaking of which if you think the border wall is some sort of totem for racists the numbers. So you are correct. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome back. I hope folks had a. A good MLK day. I imagine many did of course from in terms of national story was dominated by some Jag offs. Being Jag offs fifteen-year-old Jaguars being Jag offs. We will get to that briefly. I should say in a moment. But also some things happened on Friday before we. We or I should say after we ended the show and. We'll get to that as well. The Digby, and I talked about the story that had dropped from BuzzFeed about. What Donald Trump had told his lawyer? Michael Cohen, and in terms of what kind of testimony to give to congress. There was a statement by Muller. Well, what what we'll talk about that in moment. We'll get to all that and more folks. But welcome to the program. Thanks for joining us, as you know, we are a listener supported program, you can engage in that in that activity of supporting this program by going to join the majority report dot com. We also have that we'll get to that in a moment. But before we do this was super curious. I mean, there's there there. There's so many different cross-currents going on right down the news that it's almost I mean, honestly, like the past we we took one day off. And it feels like the last time we were on was six months ago. I felt like Saint happy new year when I came back, honestly, the amount of you know, we had to at least two democratic candidates announce over the weekend. We had all sorts of actively on the Muller investigation. We have this continuing narrative of of AO, see and the. The the messaging that she is basically doing on a whole host of issues that seemed impenetrable well, certainly three years ago, Bernie broke down some of the those walls in terms of a discussion. But but really I mean impenetrable up until like, I don't know six weeks ago. I don't know I I've been walking around with a card in my wallet and longtime listeners will know this of the. Of the the tax rates through the fifties. And sixties to tell people as a party trick just to freak people out. And I have never heard anyone on television explicitly say. What the tax rates were in the fifties and sixties like explicitly and now, it seems to be repeating constantly basically because of AFC and. It's not going to take long before it becomes, you know, just sort of like a nother fact that is known like we have Medicare. So it's incredible. And what's amazing to is to watch. What? The right try and react to this stuff. Because it's not just that. They do they have a classic crappy retort to this. It's that they are. It's making them fumble and bumble. So here is here is Tucker Carlson, who is you know, as we've talked about over the past couple of weeks a. A I guess a an enlightened critic of market capitalism. And or is is is is trying to play one on television. And he invites on an FBI guy to talk about the Muller investigation. But he can't help himself to just take a pause before we get there. And it's fascinating to see. What follows both the FBI the former FBI in his the former what it was he the the former he was high placed this is not just an agent, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He's he's he was a former league. It's just director. That's not, you know, this is this is not like, oh, the third guy in the Duluth office for six months and. So he has them onto that because you know, talkers trying to sort of like. Thread this needle with his market capitalism. Critique but also trying to sidestep I guess like the sort of the burgeoning movement on the left that is founded on a capitalist a market critique and both he and the FBI guy step in it. Big time. In the meantime, Terry church was deputy assistant director of the kind of terrorism division of the FBI, and he joins us tonight. Tear we originally asked you to come on tonight to talk about border security. But before we do I want to ask you your response to this back and forth between BuzzFeed in a special counsel's office. What's your take? Sure. Tucker. Well, I'm on the skeptic because of being in law enforcement. But I think it's kind of pretty simple when you take the election, and you take the house, then you now convert all the committees that you have to investigating various aspects for once. I just I'm not sure exactly he says, he's a skeptic. He's skeptical of I'm not sure exactly what here, but law enforcement guys. Usually when they were skeptical would just tend to believe like LAN the existence of an investigation was almost enough that was waiting for TC of Collins help of. And then you take the house, then you now convert all the committees that you have to investigating various aspects of the president United States. Then your lifeblood has to be the react to stories. So you're going to see more stories planet. So that all these committees can have a lot of work to do. And I think this is just more of the same. And I think we can expect more of this. Because quite honestly, the electorate in some places is putting more and more progressives than self-described socialist in positions and ironically years ago, when I first got into the FBI one of the missions of the FBI in its counterintelligence efforts was to try and keep these people out of government why because we would end up with massive dysfunction and massive disinformation and massive misinformation. Now, that's not supposedly what the mission of the F B I is I'm not hope I'm not breaking any news here that that is that was that was when they ran amok. And they got out of their lane. We were told, but the idea that the former deputy assistant director of the FBI is now publicly admitting that one of their agendas was to keep. Progressive. Social Democrats out of office. I mean this guy. I don't know how old he was when he you know, how many years ago we're talking about. But this isn't like nineteen fifty two right? Like this. He's he's talking about the seventies or the eighties or the nineties where he the FBI is supposed to be keeping progressives and socialists out. Now, first off to say that the reason why you would do that is because there's too much incompetence while you are defending the Trump administration that is actually ironic the idea that the FBI tried to keep people out of that. That's just a coincidence or it's a failure of their abilities to do. So. So here's this guy both claiming that somehow has control over all of the Democrats in the party to who are forcing these investigations. And it's it's called oversight which apparently there needed to be more of the FBI during that time. And he's also saying that they bring about incompetence in government, which is a hoot. But here is where the civil libertarian Tucker Carlson. This is where he really pounces one of the missions of the FBI in its counterintelligence efforts was to try and keep these people out of government why because we would end up with massive dysfunction and massive disinformation and massive misinformation. And it seems to me that's where we're out today. I'm glad I don't live in DC. I don't know how you start to separate this and make make head or tails from it. But it's a mess. I mean, look if you believe in socialism, if you've got some program, you want to impose in the country, tell us what it is explaining how you think it works make the case for it. But these people are so stupid, and so emotional so overwrought that they think that the key to run the country is an endless series of Gotcha stories criminalising political disagreement. I mean, it's it's it's the lease straightforward way to run and government. I would I would say, okay. So I guess it turns out that his civil libertarian radar was not triggered there. But the it's quite clear that the so-called socialists in the our government to the extent that there are any are explicitly laying out an agenda. Of what should be done? In fact, it's almost all that they get criticism for on the other parts of your channel Tucker and the idea that in some fashion. Holding oversight hearings on a president who's. Whose entire campaign apparatus is rife with already with convictions and guilty pleas. Seems you know at best but the the Spurs so. Both these guys messed up just in talking about the soon as they start to to bring it to this notion of of actual politics. I mean, and I think. In one instance, one guy has to reveal that the FBI was incredibly corrupt in his mid lamenting those days and Tucker has to create a straw, man. That somehow this is about S J W triggered snowflakes. Exactly. Yeah. Remember the other day when he sounded like Elizabeth Warren with his critique of free-market capitalism. There were moments in that speech where he sounded like Elizabeth Warren, and then there were other moments where he sounded like just like every other etc. There will home in a certain period. It makes you wonder what his real differences are with these folks are they needed after there was an actual like, even by Faulk standards. You're not supposed to go on and show the script like that. So he needed to just pivot. I amazed though, that there isn't been more talked about the fact that the former assistant director of the FBI has publicly stated that it was their job as part of counter intelligence is at one of those things. I mean, that's just it's those things that has gone from. This is super like, how dare you the F B I, so blah, blah, blah. And now, everybody's all. Yeah. I saw the movie we all know this. This is old news. I think it's partly that or partly like they don't want to. They don't want to criticize the FBI at this point. 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Apparently, one of the things that the the folks who want to tell women what to do with their bodies do. And look, you know, that's what this comes down to. There is no there is no middle ground here. And I understand that for some people. The idea of abortion is itchy frankly. The idea of any medical procedure, high find Dickie, okay? Well, I just the idea of anything that involves almost the human body. I think I find difficult, but aside from that. But the reality is this you are either placing the creating rights for a fetus that necessarily infringe upon the freedom of the rights of women or you're not. That's it. There's no other equation, and you have to make that choice. So one of the things that these antiabortionist do is they send down and I don't wanna play this one. I don't wanna play this. When I what they do is they send busloads of kids from Catholic schools to juice their numbers. And I'm sure that the majority of them are are happy to restrict a woman's right to have sovereignty over her own body. That's what they are told in their parochial schools. Do I have a problem with religious schools? Not. Not necessarily. Although I think look when we talk about all the problems of religion a lot of it is because they are it comes from fundamentalists of all stripes who are who are educated in. No, I want to see the other one I the educated in these schools, whether it's you know, Madris's or Shiva's or these Catholic parochial schools. These aware the fundamentals of versions of religion are taught and a lot of secular ideas or excluded now. So apparently. And I've watched the entire two our video I skip through. I went every fifteen seconds to get to the parts where there was confrontations. But basically what happened is this on the at the Lincoln Memorial. There's these guys call the black Israelites, and they basically get on a soapbox. And I imagine they do this every Sunday. They do this all over. They do it here on right here in Fulton. They do it. I remember twenty-five years ago seeing them in central square Cambridge. They have been doing this for long time, and they dress in sort of. A combination of like there's there's a little bit of Holly Selassie involved, and there's they consider themselves the real jus. And or Hebrews her Israelite, Israel lots and it's coming to say, they they often carry a big staff gotta right by that. I mean, a stick and they suit look and brothers. I don't know if they still do it this way. But it used to be one guy would read scripture, and then the other guy would repeat the scripture, and then give commentary, and it is the gist of what they have to say is that they are the true is a lights white people are bad, and but they are largely harmless. Now, I imagine if you have never seen them before you might be somewhat intimidated. There were four of these guys. I would also imagine though, if you're with a hundred other guys, even if they're younger. The intimidation is less. Oh, so what happened is these these black Israelites were doing their thing? For like an hour because the video I saw was actually shot by one of them. They always used to shoot videotape of themselves. And then these kids started to amass, and they started to trade barbs and at one point. Also at the Lincoln Memorial were these. Indigenous Americans who were. Who were basically doing a ceremony, and they tried to intercede by walking inbetween was about twenty feet thirty feet. The kids were on the on the steps and the. The black Israelites. And they would try to intercede by simply going through and continuing to play their drums. And prior to this the kids had already started do like some of their. I would imagine where there sports cheers at their sports games, which are all about them being hull cash. One guy took his shirt off and led the all of them. I mean, it's it's a little bit scary to see. You know, a hundred because I think there's about one hundred students they're right at least all guys cheering in unison as if there's some type of paramilitary. Yeah. No kidding. But and so the the native elders came through start playing their drums and the kids who apparently were not so brave and boisterous that they would get up in the face of the black Israelites had no problem doing this with an elderly Vietnam war vet native, and here is here's clips now the one that everybody's seen is the one with the guy who's got the smirk on his face staring at the, but this is this is a little bit more telling about what went on there based upon my going through those two hours of video. So basically like literally a hundred kids standing right in front of these guys admonishing each other not to touch mocking them and look. Fifteen year old boys in any context can be huge holes. And what they're doing is despicable there. I don't believe I've even heard an interpretation that they were somehow trying to join in and thought that they were involved in this. You know in what the elders were doing? It's despicable. But what's really despicable is that see radically? They have chaperones around there. Who are allowing this to happen? They have come from a culture where even their teachers at the school have no problem with them sitting there mocking this guide. No problem with it. What so ever? And that's that's the issue here. I've seen fifteen year old boys do all sorts of things. But when you've got a hundred of them there who were on a school trip. And this behavior, incidentally, was not confined to this moment. Here is apparently this is before somebody on Twitter. The Covington Catholic boys, harass my friends and before the incident with Nathan village even happen. I'm tired of reading things thing. They were provoked by anyone else other than their own egos and incident, there's just about twenty seconds of video it is three girls walking by. And like a dozen of these guys yelling at them. I'm so tired. Yeah. They're yelling Maga and build the wall at the right to life thing. Now, look, I would imagine. If you're going to bring your students down. That is to a protest based on your religious principles that maybe maybe if this was sort of a legit exercise in any way, you'd say gotta be respectful guys into Ellie don't Lear in harass women walking by and don't mock natives elderly people who are engaging in a. A drum session. I mean, the idea that these guys were either allowed to just wander around without chaperones, which I doubt is the case that the chaperone just sat back and watch this. And you and anybody wants to make an argument that they don't come from a sick culture. It's one thing for kids to do this. But this is what happens when kids do this. They get punished or reprimanded by their teachers or by their parents. And that's how they learn not to do this rights where were the fathers? Well, I mean, honestly, let's just magin that this was a Catholic priest an elderly Catholic priest who was there, you know, saying Jesus says to Dada Dada and a hundred. Black kids or Latino kids from a local school were sitting there going jeez. Dancing around imitate, go, gee, but at that, can you imagine first of all the cops would be there in about thirty seconds. Thirty seconds. And right now, every news media outlet in the country would be interviewing the parents of all those kids. How could you let this happen, and I can assure you that none of those parents would have the funds to get a high price PR firm to justify what their kids were doing. So I think it's wrong to go out and single out these kids because the ir should not be on the kids. It should be on the context, the parents and the school that encourages this behavior by never reprimanding them for it. And by not putting the idea that you allow these fifteen year old kids to go out. And do this suggests that this is nothing new in terms of like the hands off nature of the chaperones. Will they're wearing literal symbols of misogyny and white supremacy. I mean from their perspective, it's not. But I mean, I didn't really I understand. But from their perspective, it's not but from their perspective. There's no way they can justify that behavior. Like they can justify we have a right to wear make America. Great hats, and they do, but there's no way they can justify the behavior their actions, and it's I would suggest it's not a coincidence that they wearing those things, and it certainly makes the argument, and it strengthens the argument that those things stand for racism and stand for misogyny, but from their perspective, they have no defense. They have no defense. It also implicates the type of person may be who. Right to lifers, two, definitely. Yeah. When you show build a wall at a native American it really lays bare the real meaning of that free. I don't know that the yelled that to the I didn't I haven't seen evidence of that. I saw evidence of them yelling it at a those girls. Young women who were walking by. And I don't know if that means maybe they showed more restraint. I listen. I'm just saying in terms of evidence of what I've seen. I've watched two hours a tape. And but what they were clearly doing mocking these guys doing Tomahawk. Yeah. Exactly. This is one where you don't need to add extra like, we've got it. Right. Choppers. Sufficient. I mean, it's just simply, you know. You know, it's appalling in this day and age that you don't have teachers out there. There's no video of the teachers going guys get back over there. Beck on the bus get back on the bus walk over there. Walkaway? There's none of that. How could that possibly be? How could that possibly be? And then you have to backfill that answer. Here is a clip of Phillips Nathan Phillips speaking about his experience there it's conceivable I guess, no. It's not conceivable after you hear the guys speak or you see the guy, but the idea that he and two other guys. His age were attacking and challenging these. They were there to raise awareness for missing and murdered indigenous women, I think it's what the protests specifically about. So they weren't there to like even really protests there to just raise it word as issue. But the idea that their intent was in some way, challenging look the boys to the extent that they were challenged by anybody whereby those black Israelites and their bullying nature comes out when it's clear that they don't start getting aggressive in anybody's face until the the elderly man comes up. I had put myself in really dangerous situation. You know, there's like here's a group of people who were angry at somebody else. And I put myself in front of that. And all of a sudden, I'm the one who's all that anger and all that wanting to have the freedom to just rip me apart. You know, that la- scary that and. I'm a Vietnam times veteran, and and I know that mentality of there's enough of us. We can do this. Then Phillips describes the tense moments now being replayed over and over again online when a young man got right in his face watch. When I started going forward in that massive groups of people started separating and separating and moving aside to allow me to move out of the way our proceed this young feller put himself in front of me and wouldn't move. And so I if I took another step, I would be putting my my person to his presence into his space, and I would have touched him and that would have been. The thing that the group of people would it needed to bring on me. I'm in. You know, the the idea that there is even you know, it's what's. Which weird is that you don't even hear any of these people's like teachers or parents or what about saying like our kids acted poorly, and we're going to punish them and explain to them exactly what they did. Right. Like, that's all it would've taken. That's all it would've taken. But. Yeah. This is this those Wisconsin school kids who who were were given the Zeke Heil, and I don't know people are digging up stuff on these other kids about the practices at the school. You don't need to. There's no way these kids show up in that situation act that way and all you need to do a see their parents reaction. All you need to do is. No, the fact that there was no teachers or chaperones they're told them not to do this. You don't need to see anything else because that they don't they don't pop out of the womb like that. They get grown. They get raised like that. And again, if these fifteen year old kids were black or Brown the entire country right now would be having a moment. Like what's wrong with the culture of black and Brown people that their parents don't care about the way these kids act? I mean, that's what we would be hearing. No, I see a hundred little break Kavanagh's when I look at them and it's horrifying. That's that was one of the things breath cabinet was just like I'm allowed to get away with that at that age. That's how you raise, rapists. Seriously. Someone just sent me another video clip. I don't know if you wanna play it. Yeah. I mean, I haven't seen boats. Let's. I mean, I I it to you know, what's in it. It says newest I mean, this is a tweet we can watch the video, but it says newest video to surface of the Covington kids shows one of them yelling to group of girls. It's not rape. If you enjoy it. Oh, yeah. No. That was they weren't name it. They weren't yelling added to the girls. They were yelling that to the black Israelites. And I think it was in the context of of not sure exactly what was context of. But we can play it if you want. But I mean, look it. It's clear that. We don't need. I mean, we've seen it. This is one they were confronting the when they were confronting the black Israelites. There's more to that. They said they were going to. There's something were being like flipping back in that. I suspect they were talking about. Historical or whatnot. It is. I think that that's taken out of context. But nevertheless, there's enough context there that still it's damage stuff. Now, they're wrong about how they read scripture. But the right about the double. Exactly. All right. Let's just briefly the Stephen Miller, and Jared Kushner and Donald Trump got together and put together a. A plan. To I guess new proposal. They called it to to get the government to open up. The idea was a three year extension of Dhaka for dreamers and. Now, this is a hollow promise in many respects first off. Right now, essentially till the fifteenth February, and we may hear something different. There's a good chance to go snuck take the case. So doc is already affect for at least a year. Nevertheless, still a horrible situation for them. But two three years does not solve the problem at all. There's also a TPS fix. No, I'm sorry. The Bill would not extend TPS status for three hundred thousand or is they didn't even know. It also. Limits asylum. For Central American minors. They will be ineligible for asylum. If they don't apply to processing center to be stabbing Central America. Now, what is problematic about this? Why do you seek asylum? You seek asylum. If your child because your parents are afraid that you're going to get killed or recruited into a drug gang in this part of the country or or raped. Canetti see the problem with sticking around and filing your application. They're like who's going to be standing out in front of the door watching who's trying to get away. That's going to be someone's paid job. You're the guy who stands in front of the door and finds out who where Tim datings trying to get away. And then we kill that person. This is not a situation where people like, oh, I'm going to spend the next three months, and I'm going to plan my trip to the United States. And then I'm going to go. It's oh I got threatened today. I'm leaving tomorrow. That's why asylum is all about getting to the country. And then applying. Because the radically these people need to get away from their situation. And only fifty thousand Central American minors would be allowed to apply for a silent. Each year. Only fifteen thousand asylum. Applications can be granted. Well, this just absurd right? Just absurd. So the Bill was dead on arrival. They knew it was a the same type of publicity stunt that Jared was pushing the week before and the whole thing is geared towards getting people to say, look, this is the fault of both sides. This is the fault of Bo sites. I were mind you that we are still that three weeks ago. The Republicans were control of everything. And that a year ago, the Democrats had offered five times the amount of funding for a deal. And that in between those two times Pence tried to make a deal and Trump reneged. There had been a deal made and Trump reneged. Don't negotiate with anybody. So what kind of stooge would go on and say, this is both sides. Well, Jake tapper, but who's he interviewing? I don't know the long as both sides are not willing to come together and have a real conversation and hash out the differences and come up with something that works best for the American people. It's interesting though, because you sound like you're not just blaming President Trump on this. You're also blaming democratic leaders in congress gets art both sides have completely hardened their positions and are unwilling to come together and work out the differences. And that's the problem. Here is the problem that we see with a lot of issues that come before us in Washington is an unwillingness to just say, hey, here's my position. Here's yours. Let's figure out how we can work out the differences that we can putting forward the best solution for the American people are federal employees and contractors and their families have gone on for far too long suffering as a result of this intransigence where people are putting politics before the well being of the American people and our country, even my most generous moments. I would say, oh, yeah. The pa. Politics. Are when Pelosi says, you can't come to give the state of the union address that is, you know, politics. She's trying to highlight the fact that the government is shut down. And when Trump endangers the lives of congress people by saying, oh, you're going on commercial flight who have gas, then that's politics. But there is a real difference of opinion here. I don't know what Tulsi Gabbard. What hurt what she's offering what she thinks the solution should be by would be curious to know. What that is. Maybe it's a non fucking sell out solution like slats. Yeah. Maybe something like slats. I mean, she's a reasonable bipartisan. Okay. If the Republicans wanna look all the kids in cages, and the Democrats wanna lock none of the kids in cages the moderate respectable. Reasonable solution is select some kids in cages I wanna see what. I wanna see what exactly what her what she's putting on the table. What's her solution to this? What's the solution? That's going to bring everybody together without politics. I think what's I think what's particularly funny about this is I I mean, we've already talked about all of the really serious policy areas where she's got you know, brothers major problems with her. But like a record on. This is not particularly even her previous record on. This is not rhetoric is not particularly bad at all. So in this is also just like if you're in for pressure, political malpractice like this is somebody like if you're interested in her and you want her to cut Elaine for herself in this primary. This is like opposite of proof of concept. Like, this isn't speaking to anybody in this democratic primary from the most conservative to the most left there is no constituency there for this kind of comment. I'm it's it's actually quite. Bizarre. I I don't know what like all of the people who have records like this. And if talked like this in the past have been like been like cut, it's almost like, you know, those old like those like cartoons like the road runner. Like, they're they have like like smoked traces to get away from this kind of rhetoric people at Cory Booker, and and she's just like stepping right into it. As if we're in two thousand eight maybe she's still confidence. She's are looking ahead to the general or or exactly. It'll be interesting to straight to the General John casick Tulsi Gabbard on third party bid, John casick, and I'll see kaffir. I'll tell you what tolsey tolsey sheet, she surfs, and I see a lot of people out here in Ohio that are upset a toll seat surfboards work. I'm in her campaign events, he lectures, on the history taking those I don't know what that would be the ticket. Not only do I think that both side ISM is hollow gratuitous B s right? If you think that's the case, then you should lay out where you think the two sides can meet if you're so convinced that it's just Paulo vibe to there could be so, but by the Renton Mody, it is also super super bad political instincts, unless you're already running to get a, you know, a VP ticket not on the labels rerun relaunch, or I don't know. I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's it's bizarre. It's bizarre. Totally bizarre. What it's worth even in that sort of like lane, you're talking about like, the kind of no labels garbage that rhetoric built for like her record is not in some ways in some very good ways. It's not an alignment with that. And in some like, those Buchanan, I mean, I don't know that it would be passed began. But who knows a whole who knows? All right. Let's talk a little bit about the the Boise, you pose fucking war. This is sort of a fascinating breakdown. And then we're going to head into the fund half. This is important. I think in terms of of knowing the the the wall they research done. Took pulling data from the public religion research. Institute's annual American values survey. And. The. The research. Cross-referenced support for the wall. Wall supporters express vastly more hostile views than while opponents about the impact of not only undocumented, but also legal immigration, that's fairly obvious. Right. I mean, if you're a supporter of the wall, you got a problem with undocument-, undocumented immigration, and frankly, all the data suggests there's not a huge quotient of people out there who are okay with undocumented immigrants, but have an issue with documented immigrants. So obviously if you have a problem with undocumented immigrants, the the chances are it from your pool that has a problem with immigrants period, and there's quite a bit of correlation there, I know a lot of people like to suggest that somehow this is only about undocumented immigration. Although for some reason, the Trump administration won't extend TPS protections to people, which is legal document legal immigration. But putting that aside for a moment, what this poll does show is that there's also correlation oddly enough between the wall and some perspectives on folks is perspective on their fellow Americans. This is going to be very very surprising people. House. My sarcasm, boys. Pretty good three fourths of wall. Supporters said the recent police killings of African Americans were isolated incidents rather than part of a broader pattern of how police treat blacks in this country. The opposite of wall. Opponents saw a broader pattern. Three fourths of wall. Supporters rejected the idea that seventy five percent of wall. Supporters rejected the idea that generations of slavery and discrimination. Have created conditions that make it difficult for blacks to work their way out of the lower class, nearly two-thirds of wall opponents agreed with that statement. See a difference here folks, just odd this correlation wonder what that would be almost two-thirds of wall. Supporters said discrimination against whites is now as big a problem as discrimination against minorities. It's up there. Oh, my that is really surprising super pick three fourths of wall. Ponant rejected that view. And in a nod to my theory that racists and misogynists do not see their racism and misogyny as distinct, but rather just like, hey, what they're not like me nearly two thirds of wall. Opponents say the feminist movement accurately reflects the views of most women nearly two-thirds wall. Supporters say it doesn't. One in three wall. Supporters say the movement the metoo movement has led to the unfair treatment of men. Only one in eleven while opponents agree. Twenty-five percent of wall. Opponents believe discrimination against men is now a big problem discrimination against women. So that's one out of four wall. Opponents think that men are discriminated equally as women. But fifty four percent of wall supporters. Save men do face as much discrimination as women. That's pretty stunning. Like, how do you go through your life and experience how to fifty four percent over half of any cohort go through life thinking? That that men are as discriminated as women. Like what context like there's women's night at the bowling alley? Three nights a week. We only get to like what like honestly like where? It's crazy. I mean, but it's not crazy. The Donald Trump has known exactly what he's doing. And he appeals to races. Probably because he's racist defenseless against that kind of female insanity. Yeah. There you've got that's part of the problem. There you go. All right. We're gonna take quick break the fun half. One more one more study. This is worth talking about. Youth. Suicide rates are higher in states with high gun ownership rates. This is according to a team at a Boston University school of public health. Household gun ownership was the single biggest predictor of youth suicide rate in a state. The single biggest predictor. And I think the response that I mean, I'm just trying to maj. The response that people on the right or giving to something like this. Well, that's just because guns are more effective. It might be good idea to get rid of the gun. It's weird because people kill people guns. Don't kill people yet. This correlates. It is well known that people with access to gun are far more likely to complete suicide. Some data had suggested the gun ownership in general was associated with higher suicide rates. The research looked some questions isn't a possible that gun households are systemically different from non-gun households. Right. So that just a total coincidence. That there's something about the desire to have guns that leads everybody in the house to be depressed, and that the guns don't cause the increase in suicide rates just happens that people who are suicidal tend to have more guns, which is also not such rates that that's not enough. But. And and the the researchers looked at the question is it possible that are just higher rates of depression and suicide idealization in a gun household, even if that was the case that would be a pretty compelling argument to limit gun ownership the you think of killing yourself. Well, no that. There are certain percentage of people out there who want to commit suicide. The maybe we should just prevent them from having guns. So they're not so successful that to me seems like it. But I wanna see how they vote I they. They didn't. That turned out to be not to the case for each ten percentage point increase in household gun ownership that you suicide rate increased by twenty seven percent. Says in the American journal of preventative medicine, the only other factors that were associated with overall youth. Suicide rates were suicide attempt rate and the percentage of youth who are native American. So for example, in Alaska the suit youth suicide rate is fifteen her so suicides per hundred thousand people is under age of nineteen. And just about sixty percent of households have guns in South Dakota. Suicide rate is fourteen point nine per one hundred thousand yen just under sixty percent have homes of homes had guns in two thousand four in New York and New Jersey suicide rate is two point six or so per one hundred thousand and you have rates of twenty percent have households have guns and a New Jersey eleven point four percent. I mean, I suppose you could look at this in and say, well, let me look at what upstate New York is because that's maybe more like it is in in a place, like South Dakota on some level. Right. Maybe it's just depressing to be in a place where it's so rural. And but. That's a fact. The availability of firearms is a contributing to an increase in the actual number of suicides. Not just a leading youth to substitute other means of suicide for guns. So there you have it. Meanwhile, the supreme court is reviewing a case. And we'll talk more about this on. The second amendment. The case it self is narrow in its scope in terms of New York City in particular handgun regulation, but the principles that may come out of it may essentially wipe out the ability for any gun control possible period end of story. So on that happy note, let's go to the fun half. Tonight at seven o'clock. See then that'll be fun. Oh nights, Tuesday, Michael brook show. Daniel BUSTER and kauri pine get your tickets to there's only a couple of dozen left. Did a live show Friday February first we had like a three hour brainstorm yesterday. It's gonna be really fun. Oh, you play it out oak. Yeah. We decided to take a little bit of a different track on this one swim. Yeah. Pitcher unaccomplished he NBS get the whole thing. This Sunday our second candidate guide we're talking about tolsey Gabbard candidacy, but it's really going to also serve as kind of an informal or illicit history of the RSS the Indian paramilitary organization that backs the BJP government as soon as you said that I was immediately. Like, oh, I know that guy is our S. Yeah. The guy who made the real simple syndication software. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Show. Jamie pant. So this week on the anti Fatah. You can still listen to our episode from last week where we talk about the insane Russian Netflix series about the life at times of Leon Trotsky. We also have a bonus wherein. I explain a stupid inside joke that I got h Jon Benjamin to say for my idiot, friends the other day at the live show. And also tomorrow we are dropping a brand new history as a weapon. It's been a long time coming. I think the last one was about six months ago, and Sean wants me to tease who the guest is not say it so in respect his wishes. I will just say he's a very intelligent chap who likes to get angry about stuff, and they're going to be talking about why the US never had a real labor party or a socialist party. Matt brand new litter hangover drp this weekend, the host of the seven Gables by Nathaniel Hawthorne. It's really good episode folks, such oh, we dunk on Ben Shapiro in. It we bring up the his old sell your house's if you live in the path of climate change. So right to the dumbest people does you flip the house burning obvious? Property in that sort of an inheritance. So you're underwater what you do is. You would sell it. The level of stupidity of that comment is so stunning like, and you can you can it's it's stunning. Just from a common sense perspective like. Somehow the market's not going to be aware of what's going to happen to that house. But you are right. Like somehow like other buyers are just going to be completely clueless. That's capitol. Also from a like, a morality perspective like if you can find a sucker who will buy your lemon, but you sell it to him. But then there's also a fundamental misunderstanding of policy houses who are on the coast. Are able to sell for one reason because the government subsidizes insurance coastal flood insurance period and of story insurance companies will not insure these things maybe you wanna live in giant endure slimming pool take care of it unless the government decides not to subsidize the only reason why people can afford to buy those houses, you cannot get insurance for the bids weren't maybe is the Moore about ideas. Ideas, you thought. But what is just pitted? At weren't. So incidentally, right. He's the leading intellectual on the right? Is that right? Yeah. So if you follow him and he tries to challenge to debate, which he does basically weekly just get in his replies and say he should debate Sam seat. There we go. He's great. Also at that AFC stuff that like, nobody cares. 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Press Has Picked its Side

In the News with Mike Dakkak

24:29 min | 2 months ago

Press Has Picked its Side

"Common Sense commentary on politics culture and current events if it's on your mind. It's in the news and now in the news off your host might affect. You know when things get really bad. I always remember the old expression. It's always darkest just before the sunrise and that's kind of how how you have to look at things these days. I mean the Press is really kind of doing a number on us these days but what should encourage you is the fact that we are on this kind of process towards waking up and getting wise to the crimes that they're committing against us and against this country home and it was really made obvious by this week's performance of the presidential debate both in the debate and the commentary surrounding, you know, I personally I didn't believe them for even going to happen. You know, Biden has lost a step and I don't like to talk about that a lot because look he's just and he's he's an older guy and if if we're lucky enough to make it into a month old age were all going to lose a step 2. And if there's one thing elections shouldn't be about it's it's aged in my opinion. It should be about policy and it should be about vision and it should be about the kind of people that we want in office and the kind of direction. We want the country to take and then the people that we feel that our best to take us in that direction. And so I try not to talk about or harp on the fact that Biden is not you know, the person he was even just a short number of years ago. He's had to endure some hardships in life. And so whatever else he kind of have to respect that and I don't know, Biden belongs and that maybe he does I don't know but I don't know if he belongs in that same category as a doctor falchi, you know, or as a as a Bill Gates or as a Mark Zuckerberg, those people are globalists through and through I wouldn't trust them any further than I can throw them. There was something I don't support by then. I'm not going to vote for him. But there are some people who are truly dangerous. There are some people who are the ringleaders some people are the Puppet Masters and others most others are the people dancing on the strings. And I never know which one of those categories to put Joe Biden in. But nevertheless I just didn't think they were going to be any the base because I didn't think he would be up for it. Well to combat that the president of the press couldn't have they couldn't March their candidate now whether or not whether you was a puppet master or one of the puppets on the strings, they couldn't March him out have him embarrass himself and fall on his face during these debates. So there was a report that Joe Biden was given the debate questions in advance by Fox News is Chris Wallace. This is according to an allegation made by author and political commentator. Dr. Jerome corsi. Now, if True North people dismissed that Outta how there's no way that could have happened but it would not be the first time a Democratic candidate has been given Advanced knowledge of presidential debate topics. You'll recall in 2016 Democratic operative Donna brazile. Shared CNN she admitted to this by the way shared CNN Town Hall topics with the Hillary Clinton campaign. She gave Hillary Clinton the topics that were going to be covered in this CNN Town Hall that she set to participate in Brazil was a CNN commentator at the time and oh, by the way, she was also the vice-chair of the Democratic National Committee. So it looks like they were giving the questions in advance. It was also of course reported that the Biden campaign did not agree to a request from the Trump campaign the check for ear pieces in the candidates before they went on stage campaign. Wanted to ensure that Biden wasn't being fed Lines by staff members Now The Binding campaign did request a change to the usual ninety-minute debate format. They wanted breaks every 30 minutes after the debate format is set by the commission on presidential debates. It's not they're not set by the campaigns themselves. And so Biden in a kind of Telltale sign wanted it breaks every 30 minutes that Trump campaign denied that request. But even with the questions that Biden had he was a step behind he was constantly asking a few caught this but he was constantly asking Wallace to to interfere and for help, you know the last time you also by the way, you know, I didn't see anybody talking about this least not in the mainstream media, but he kept telling Trump to shut up. Kept calling him a clown. He's the president of the United States you can you can disrespect the man all you want but you can't disrespect the office. You can call Donald Trump. You can't call the president of the United States a clown. You just can't and especially if you're running for that job. I mean it was it was it was undignified. But aside from that he comes kept constantly asking Chris Wallace for helping to kept pointing so that you know, the last time I saw that was with George W bush bush 45 life, right and he can't I don't know if I don't remember if it was two thousand or two thousand and four but during the debates that year he kept looking at the moderator whoever it was at our member and kept pointing to his opponent. Like are you going you're going to step in and stop this or what? He's gone over his time and and that was a huge indication that the person wasn't up to the task. They weren't up to the job and and George W bush. It was proven wasn't up to the job. But in addition to Wallace giving him the questions directly the commission itself for presidential debates released the topics for the the first debate a full week in advance something they don't do and on the list of those topics to be covered. They had the Trump Biden records They had the Supreme Court covid-19. Of course the economy race and violence in our cities and the Integrity of the election. This was a full week before the debate and many wondered if the unusual step wasn't taken to kind of implicitly help Joe Biden along even more curious though. In this kind of served as kind of a giveaway that Biden had Advance knowledge of if not the specific questions then when and and and how things were going to be brought up A Step Above just having the topics be released in advance. Because moderator Chris Wallace. He included the subject of climate change in the debate when it was not on that previously released list and Biden seemed prepared for it. It was also kind of curious timing of Wallace's introduction of that President Trump had raised the subject of former Vice President Biden's son Hunter Hunter Biden and Biden reportedly received a mysterious nice 3 and 1/2 million dollar payment from the mayor of Moscow Russia. This is back in February 2014 for quote unquote consultancy work now folks. This is not Alex Jones over at 5 for Wars reporting this this is not the Gateway pundit. This is not the Daily Caller. This is not Mike. This is the US Senate. This is a report prepared and released by the US Senate this week that found that Hunter Biden received 3 and 1/2 million dollar payment from the mayor of Moscow. Excuse me, they released it last week. But immediately after President Trump raised that question Vice President Biden appeared to become a little bit agitated at the question too began to lose his temper. Now, here's what I don't understand whenever the subject of Hunter Biden comes up Joe Biden's appears to lose his composure and let me be clear about what I'm saying and what I'm not saying, I'm one of those people that believes that wives and children should be left out of the debate. This is the person that's running for this office. Their children are not their lives are not of course, they have to play some kind of role because that's just the world we live in But if you can you should try and leave them out of the debate what I don't understand. Is why would everything that's that that's happened surrounding Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden and all of the stories in all the Mysteries surrounding his behavior when it comes to Russia when he comes to China when it comes to other things he seems wildly unprepared for that topic whenever it comes up and that's what raises my eyebrows more than anything else while the president brings up the question and Biden gets agitated. He's about to lose his temper. You can see it on his face. He's about to kind of lose it on President Trump and while as quickly interrupted his thoughts. I want to talk about climate change and without skipping a beat as if he knew it was coming Biden response. So would I And the subject is shut down and they they they pivot climate change which was not on the list again. Now now before we leave the subject the the report released by the US Senate. It finds that Hunter Biden also, by the way, allegedly sent thousands of dollars to people who may have been involved in Eastern European prostitution and sex-trafficking Rings. Now, of course he's talking about this either again this the US Senate that is prepared this report. The report cites records that show Biden has sent funds to non-resident. Alien women in the United States who are citizens of Russia. In other words, not US citizens citizens of Russia and Ukraine who happened to be in the United States Hunter Biden transferred funds to them wired them money back and those women apparently then turned around and wire that money that Hunter Biden wired to them. They then wired it to individuals and Russia and Ukraine Ami talk about Russian collusion. Now the record is say that some of these transactions are linked to what appears to be an Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring is I heard someone put it the other day. Whenever you see human trafficking that usually means children, you know, if it were adults they would say prostitution and here they say Eastern European prostitution and then they say or human trafficking ring. And so whenever you see human trafficking, it usually not always but it usually means individuals who are underage children, it means children and yet nobody is talking and then of course you have the 3-month a half million dollar wire payment from Elena baturina who's a Russian billionaire and the Widow of former Moscow mayor Yuri, luzhkov, an 2010 the Russia's president at the time, they fired laskoff as mayor over corruption allegations and yet you can't ask about that though, right? Because the mainstream press is trying to show a significant probe and they're rather succeeding in my boss you a pro Biden biased, you know, Chris Wallace, you know r i p. Chris Wallace's career because he's he's really I don't think anyone's going to look at him the same way again. He's completely off. Lost some credibility here and he's being pilloried for the way that he conducted himself during this debate and for showing that significant Pro Joe Biden biased the Federalist. Kylie's and Powell all that the most embarrassing moderator performance in history. She said Wallace who was a registered Democrat failed to maintain any control over the debate team and you know, she said media moderators playing favorites with presidential contenders is nothing new but Wallace is persistent partisanship reached a new low. He interrupted trumpet didn't interrupt Biden off a block Trump before he could correct lies that Biden was making and and and false accusations that he was making against Trump and he lopped softball questions or no questions at all, which is the the part that I found myself focusing on so the former vice president. He was called a code debater by the Gateway pundit. Chris Wallace is making very clear that his goal tonight is to run interference for Joe Biden said if if you wants to be a deranged never Trumper that's his provocative, but Wireless is doing everything in his power to tilt the election toward his preferred candidate. That's from Sean Davis at the also at the Federalist. The mask is slipping Chris Jessica O'Donnell of the blaze wrote. This Wallis is actually coming off worse than either candidate that's from Jeremy boring at the real real daily wire Chris Wallace over the course of the night has moved from moderator to De Bater DED. That's from Ben Shapiro who is not a trump person. Make a commentator and one of the articles that I was reading wrote, you know, does Wallace have to drive by it in home to now the debates over or is he is he is actually off the clock. What got me about the debate and the post-debate commentary. What was no sooner had the debate ended between President Trump and Joe Biden then the mainstream media. And when you see the same words in the same point with the same, you know, narrative kind of take hold across channels and across media Outlets. That's when you know, something's afoot I've mentioned that before took no seen her no sooner had the debate between Trump and Biden ended in the mainstream media began pushing this coordinated narrative. This should be the last debate between the two candidates this campaign cycle, right you had pundits you had anchors both print and television mainstream media and they were calling almost in unison for the cancellation of the next to there should be no more debates that song Crystal Road conservative quote unquote commentator Bill kristol published an article after midnight Wednesday morning just hours after the debate ended. He called the debate a quote National humiliation. He was not alone. As I said earlier tonight. There is no need for any further National humiliation. This was the first and should be the last presidential debate. This is Josh from former Republican National committee chair and and turned never Trumper on globalist Michael Steele cancel the next to Bates the next two debates my column. This is Margaret Sullivan from The Washington Post wage. No more debates no more opportunities for Trump to debase American democracy Mika Brzezinski Jake Tapper on CNN less than an hour after the debate ended said there shouldn't be any birth dates Wolf Blitzer like ten minutes after the debate ended I wouldn't be surprised. If this is the last debate if they believed all of these people of the aforementioned pundits and experts. If they believed Biden was doing well and was capable of doing well in the future debates. Would they cancel any other opportunities to Showcase that Talent or even talk about it any and all changes proposed and or implemented are designed to the one goal in mind to keep Joe Biden from appearing over mashed which he was now people are blaming the Press, but the Press folks home. Just to kind of underscore. It is not on our side. They have their own agenda and their agenda is not our adjacent Whitlock the longtime sports writer TJ radio personalities. Also, by the way in African-American that shouldn't need to be mentioned. But unfortunately in our day and age it does need to be mentioned. He completely attacked Wallace's lack of questions. About the violence perpetrated by black lives matter and antifa. Again Whitlock is African-American over the last several months. He said our country's burning Whitlock rights, the global operations holding the mainstream media's purse strings have instructed these beneficiaries of theirs to distract the public while America Burns To The Ground he writes last night. Joe Biden said that he is the Democratic party. Why didn't Chris Wallace asked Biden to disavow antifa and black lives matter? Biden called antifa an idea not an organization. He said our ideas are breaking Windows ideas or breaking windows and burning buildings in Portland how much more violence and racism issue? We have to see from these groups before the American Media acknowledges their week their their wickedness, excuse me, black lives matter and antifa have destroyed lives and livelihoods all across this country wage. They've created a climate of fear and racial animosity. They're trying to reduce America to Rubble while falsely claiming they want to promote racial Harmony. The American Media are as complicit in this country is fall as Nero was to Rome's Whitlock Road. That's what the American Press is doing. But you see now that we've taken that step we have to take the next step and this is where the encouragement comes in and realize that the Press is not crazy and they're not it's all deliberate Nero fiddled because he was unable to deal with the crisis or he was in denial about it. By the way. Most historians will tell you that he didn't actually fiddle wage just an embellishment will stick with it for a moment while while Rome burned the difference here is that the Press is not fiddling. Actually, they're starting the fires or at the very least protect young people starting. I mean folks there are literally people being arrested on the west coast in California in Washington and Oregon for literally starting fires. And so that the Press is starting the fires at the very least protecting the people starting the fires and then Fanning the flames on top of it. That's completely different. Joe Biden said during Tuesday's debate. He doesn't support the far-left, you know that radical Green New Deal thing the environmental plan where they get rid of planes and cars and cows and cheeseburgers. I think on what's going on there. The green New Deal is going to pay for itself as we move forward Biden said and so Wireless asks and what what do you support the green new deal? It was actually the the the one and only time during a date when he put a point-blank question to Joe Biden the type of question you and I probably would have asked if we were in that chair know by Dan answers. I don't support the green new deal, but by his own campaign website says he does Biden believes the green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. That's Joe Biden's website even more Awkward. Is the fact that Biden's running me and soon-to-be president of the United States if Biden wins, if you can kind of read the tea leaves here, Senator, Kamala Harris is a co-sponsor of the green New Deal legislation in Congress. We need a green New Deal based in climate and environmental justice which means building a clean economy and not on and on she wrote in a statement when she came bouncing her support for the Preposterous trillion dollar package so which is it not hearing any questions about that from the mainstream, press why don't they harp on that for two going on three or four days? Like they've been harping on this proud boys nonsense proud Boys by the way are not all white a significant number of them are Latino and African-American. They're decried as a white supremacist group. And in 2016, this is kind of the story of the week or the non story as the mainstream media would have you believe? In 2016, the CIA asked under this is the CIA folks again. It's not some right-wing website or news outlet with an agenda that the left says, you know has has an agenda. This is the CIA the same intelligence community that they asked us to trust all the time. Well in 2016, the CIA asked the FBI. To investigate whether the Hillary Clinton campaign came up with a plan to frame Donald Trump with this whole Russian election interference nonsense in order to distract from the email Scandal that she was that that was engulfing her campaign at the time. This is the CIA asking the FBI to investigate. The story with that Revelation was made by the Director of National Intelligence. John Radcliffe who was sent a letter to Senator Lindsey Graham. Who's the Senate Judiciary chairman? And in that letter he explains that a referral it wasn't just Hey, listen, you know, you're you're not going to believe this, you know over drinks one night. It was an official investigation referral from a CIA to the FBI asking for an investigation that official referral went to FBI director at the time James Comey and Deputy assistant director of counterintelligence at the time Peter struck. Peter struck is the fellow who was having the extramarital affair with the FBI lawyer at the time Lisa Page and they're the the two that were texting each other back 2016. Oh my God Trump is going to win. What are we going to do? We need an insurance policy. Oh my God, Hillary Clinton should win by Twenty million votes or whatever love letters. They were attending to each other. The official referral went to them and that referral was based on information the US intelligence Community again the same us intelligence Community. They're asking us to trust which by the way for the most part do it was based on information the US intelligence Community intercepted from Russian intelligence services. And that intelligence that information basically said that Clinton had approved a plan to start up a scandal against Donald Trump by tying him to Pune and the Russians hacking of the Democratic National Committee now, it could be that that wasn't a people, you know, the FBI just didn't think it was credible. But here's here's the key here's how you know that there is more to it and then just a nasty rumor according to handwritten notes former CIA director. John Brennan who is not a fan of Donald Trump to you know, in the understatement of the Year briefed then President Barack Obama and other senior National Security officials on the intelligence. Now if it was if there was nothing to this and it was not credible and it was completely unserious. Why did it make to why did it make it to the president's desk? Why did they make it into the Oval Office? As as as Senator Lindsey Graham put it the other day, whether these allegations are accurate. That's not the question. The question is did the FBI investigate the allegations against Clinton like they fought against Trump. They've been investigating Trump for three or four years. If not, why haven't they done that? There's there's a story here folks and and and you're hearing this from a person who took the longest time did not believe that there was a story here didn't believe that the anti Trump sentiment went all the way to the top to Brennan. It's a comeon to Barack Obama. But the point here the point of what we've learned this week is that we can no longer wait for the press to bail us out and and we can no longer be surprised when they don't we've got to do our own work. You should do your own work and forming yourself now because the Press has picked their sides and it's not ours. Well, that's our show for today open Joy. Do you have any comments on any of the issues we discussed drop me a line. 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"Wake Up. It's time for mornings with GAIL ON THIRTEEN TEN KFI Soundtrack of many of our lifetime sadness this morning as the exuberant Eddie Van, Halen the Guitar Virtuoso who's blinding speed control in innovation propelled his Bam Bam Halen, in to one of hard rock's biggest groups, and in case you forgot or did not know this it was Eddie Van Halen that pule that unmistakably fiery solo in Michael Jackson's hit beat it. He died Tuesday after a long battle with Cancer Eddie Van Halen was sixty five years of age six, Oh eight now thirteen ten KFI K. Thirteen, ten KFI K. A. dot com northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail live and local auto collision a specialist studios, Van Halen Son Wath who by the way. Was Tap, to play bass in Van, Halen after well was some tumultuous times to be had in the band but Wolfgang was actually tap to play bass in the band in two thousand, seven at the tender age of seventeen. Well, he confirmed the news on Tuesday riding on twitter I can't believe I'm having to write this but my father Andy Van Halen. And arduous battle with cancer this morning he was the best father. I could ever ask for every moment I've shared with him onstage and offstage was indeed a gift now with his distinct. Solos Eddie Van halen fueled the ultimate California. Party band and help knocked disco off the charts starting in the late nineteen seventies with his band self titled Debut Album and then with the blockbuster record one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, which contains. The classics Jump Panama and Hot for Teachers Now van Halen is among the top twenty best selling artists of all time and the band was inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame in Two Thousand Seven Rolling Stone magazine put Eddie Van Halen at number eight in its list of the one hundred greatest guitarists and in Twenty Twelve Guitar World Magazine Ranked Number One of its list of the one hundred greatest guitar of. Time this says Eddie Van Halen loses his long battle with cancer at the age of sixty five now in addition to his son, Wolfgang and his brother and Van Halen is survived by his wife. Jany van Halen whom he married in two thousand nine. Point can kind of reminds us all. Of our own mortality. Then came across this piece this morning out of the USA today singer and composer Johnny. Nash? That's known for his nineteen seventy-two comeback hit I can see clearly now also died on Tuesday he was eighty Nash who had been in declining health died of natural causes at his home in Houston the city of his birth this according to his son Johnny Nash Junior. Nash's biggest hits where the early reggae tunes hold me tight. This was a number five hit in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight, and nineteen, seventy, two's. Written by Bob, Marley but Nash was best known for the Enduring Regi employee reggae influenced hit I. can see clearly now you know he was one of the first non Jamaican singers to record reggae music and Kingston Jamaica where he traveled Tom Well, he actually performed there in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight, the single. I can see clearly now sold over one million copies reached number one on the billboard hot one, hundred November nineteen, seventy, two remaining at the top of the charts for four weeks. The ultimately optimistic song has been used in a Cornucopia. Broad variety of films TV and commercials. It's been covered by Ray Charles Willie. Nelson Jimmy Cliff. By the way for the nineteen, ninety, three film cool runnings Mamas and Papas Sonny and Cher. Kermit Ruffians, and Donny Osmond as well. Nash covered Sam Cooks Wonderful World in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, and let's go dancing and nineteen seventy-nine intensely privates. He gradually withdrew from a public performance but release the album here again in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six Nash is survived by his wife Carly and his son yet credence to the fact a credence to the fact that if indeed, there is a rock and roll heaven. They certainly have a hell of a band six, twelve now thirteen ten, Kfi, thirteen, ten KFI. Dot Com mornings with Gail from the auto collision specialist studios. All right. So where do we begin this morning? I mean this is like It's not drinking from a fire hose. As the October, surprises just I mean th, they're coming fast and furious and it's tough to keep up with it all. So. Where do we begin Well, we've got vice presidential debate tonight. Do you know and and this is not a a rhetorical question whatsoever. I'm really curious about this because I come across staff that said there's a three to five percent of Americans that are undecided in the twenty twenty election. I mean it begs credulity. How could you be undecided in this election? Do you know of anyone who is undecided nine seven and I'm I'm? Asking this a serious question, and if you indeed are undecided I, would love to hear from you this morning because for the life of me just with all of the caterwauling and all the rancor and and just everything leading up to this election. What we're twenty seven days out at this point in time I don't know how anyone could be sitting there going I. Don't know. Who To vote for I'm kind of confused although I'll concede the point that after the debates was more of a rock, them sock them wwe eat smackdown after the debate there were some interviews with undecided voters who said they as a result of that first presidential debate. They were just totally confused about who cast their ballot for are you among them? Nine, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, dropped me a text on our thirteen, ten KFI text line at three, one, nine, nine, six but once again. The October surprises. Keep stacking up this as a president trump yesterday ordered a halt to the stimulus negotiations or wait. Did he did he reverse himself later in the afternoon Oh and then we have the bomb Selah report soccer. That? Hillary Clinton? Indeed cooked up the Russell Russell Rosa Scandal. In order to distract. From a scandal of her own. Sometimes. There's just not enough elite bit. We'll get into that in just a few you're gonNA watch vice presidential debate does night typically vice presidential debates well, they don't really factor into the mix all that much this time around things might be different six, fifteen now thirteen ten, Kfi a thirteen, ten K. F. A. Dot com this time check sponsored by candlelight dinner playhouse where an absolutely incredible production of camelot takes center stage through October twenty fifth can't like dinner playhouse. Broadway in your backyard visit Colorado candlelight dot com for more information. Party northern Colorado's for. Thirteen ten KFI K. The block party Wednesdays from ten. PM Tune into the hall show at noon and no Co. now at four back to mornings with Gail Northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI K. Well so rise fries try. Twenty three now thirteenth Kf gay then gay of K., A. DOT COM northern Colorado's voice Maurice Gail from the auto collision specialists. Studios. Now, whoever saw this coming? Did you ever think we would see the day this as well those October surprises are just once again, it's not like drinking from hose. It's kind of like drinking from Niagara Falls trying to keep up with all this twenty seven days out from the election. But who knew this has we've got documents that have been declassified that claim. Hillary Clinton cooked up that Russia Russia Russia scandal. sitcoms surprise to you nine, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten texts at three one, nine, nine, six, infirm piece out of the New York Post by Steven Nelson. You had national intelligence director John Ratcliffe yesterday declassifying documents that claim Hillary Clinton. Ordered a campaign plan to stir up a scandal. By linking president trump. To Russia. In Two thousand sixteen and and President Barack Obama knew about her possible ro role how long have we asked how far up did this Russian collusion delusion narrative go and oh Who is vice president at that time? Let me think Oh. Oh well, it's the morally correct ever. So honest for Vice President Joe Biden out running for president. Now. Live. Provided an undated, a set of notes this originally to Fox. News but. They've since made the rounds from then a CIA director John Brennan, this about a briefing for Obama that touched on the allegation and an investigative referral from the CIA to the. FBI, describing the claim. Rap Ratcliffe said today at the direction of president trump. I. Declassified additional documents relevant to ongoing congressional oversight and investigative activities. Now, much of the unredacted contents and if you've seen these memos, you can just fire up the Google you can find him. A lot of them are real and Redacted but much of the unredacted content and the documents was released by Ratcliffe last week though minor details cast doubt on former FBI James. Comey's declaration last week well, he just I can't remember I don't remember that claim I I wasn't in charge of anything that had anything to how convenient there Mr Komi author of a higher loyalty which begs the question a higher loyalty to whom exactly but no. James Comey's memory just a little spotty on that particular matter just can't come up with any of the details. Now Of. Course Clinton allies deny all this as baseless potential Russian disinformation. So the newly released notes from Brennan. Who as you're well, aware is now a fiery anti trump. Indicate that Brennan briefed President Barack Obama on quote alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July twenty eighth of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up scandal claiming interference by Russian security services. Now, reckless initial disclosure said that according to Brennan's notes Clinton allegedly approved the scheme on July twenty six. The minor inaccuracy shortens the window of time between Clinton's alleged approval of the plot and the at the eye opening it's phony Baloney investigation of possible trump Russia collusion this on July thirty first twenty sixteen. Now, a previously undisclosed annotation and Brennan's notes appears to attribute to Obama an interest in quotes any evidence of collaboration between trump campaign and Russia the initials J. C. J. C. are on the briefing notes implying. That then FBI Director James Comey attended the meeting where Brennan discussed the theory with Obama. Oh and in the margins, there's also references to Dennis and Susan which could quite possibly refer to former national security adviser Susan Rice remember being rice, Dover Benghazi and Obama Chief of Staff Denis McDonough. Much of the document was redacted of course, by reckless office, making it impossible to understand the full context of the meeting or when exactly it occurred. The investigative referral from the CIA to the FBI meanwhile contains the previously disclosed passage noting an allegation about quote, Clinton's approval of a plan concerning US presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hacking hampering US elections as a mean of as a means of distancing the public from use Ding Ding Ding. Taking cover from her email scandal of a private mail server a lovely distraction. Actual. Referrals mostly redacted but additionally states document was sent per FBI verbal requests. It was addressed to me but also to the attention of then FBI deputy, Assistant Director of counterintelligence Oh Peter Struck who notoriously trade anti-trump text messages on work bones with his mistress FBI LARA Lawyer. Lisa page. So in his initial disclosure last week Ratcliffe said the claim against Clinton was unproven and well. Be An exaggeration or fabrication Clinton spokesperson. Basically said, well, it's baseless BS. But. Trump. Campaign. No surprise. took a different tack. It's imperative that the American people now learn what then vice, President Joe Biden knew about this conspiracy and when he knew it. Your thoughts sworn at nine, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten as I'll drop taxes on our thirteen ten KFI K. text line at a three one, nine, six, six, thirty now thirteen ten KFI K. A.. Dan Patrick the whole show and Colin Coward or a northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten Kfi K.. You want football sicher dialed KFI, K. here. NFL Games all season long northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten Kfi K.. I don't know about the love, but we're sure being turned upside down by a variety of mixed messages. Coming out of wealth that's which is masquerading for a political season. Is it pleasant six, thirty, eight now thirteen ten, JFK thirteen ten, Kfi a dot com northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail from the auto. Collision Specialists Studios Twenty seven days all we have to do is hang on for twenty seven days. Do you know that four million Americans give or take have already cast their ballots but speaking of mixed messages you had president trump just yesterday pulling the plug on ongoing bipartisan corona virus relief talks in a pretty abrupt move that well, let's just say got Wall Street's attention and surprised lawmakers on both sides of. The aisle but hours later seemingly reverse that position calling on Congress to approve a bill providing another direct check too many Americans by the way the market did take a very sharp drop on the heels of this news and then well did an equally sharp turnaround and we'll check in with Keith wineman presidential wealth management take a deep dive into well, the MAC nations of the market when he joins us this morning at seven, thirty five but president trump writing Tuesday on twitter I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when immediately after I win, we will pass a major stimulus bill. Now that tweets appeared to end the long running. Kabuki theatre. All right. We'll call it the effort between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to negotiate an agreement on another trillion dollar plus corona virus relief deal. But late Tuesday president trump appeared to backtrack calling congress to approve additional assistance for airlines and a small business aid program. He also tweeted that Congress should pass a bill providing another direct check too many Americans. Well, Democrats have largely resisted passing those piecemeal bills pushing instead for an overall agreement. Yeah. Basically, they want to bail out those Democrats led cities that are struggling as a result of. Broken promises and equal equally broken policies say had stocks turning lower Tuesday on president trump's tweets regarding the talks. Now, the S. and P. Five hundred ended the session down one point four percent Bot stock futures rose early this morning as investors digested the president's call for Congress to pass a bill. Now, the call to end talks came hours and we talked about this yesterday not only with Keith Wineman, presidential wealth management, but also with Tracy accident. FM S. Bank this after Federal Reserve Chairman J PAL warned of dire economic consequences if Congress and the white. House, didn't provide additional support to households and businesses that too well to say they've been disrupted. By the impacts of the pandemic would make me the mistress of understatement. Turned everything upside. down. Ms Pelosi of course said of trump's decision to end the talks walking away from the coronavirus talks demonstrates that president trump is unwilling to crush. The virus. Well. I'll concede this point. From a political perspective. Could be argued that this is A. Pretty. Risky move. For the president. But Betsy mccaw. mccaw excuse me writing in The New York Post headline kind of says it all Nancy Pelosi is covered relief bills mainly, just a left wing wish-lists says betsy mccaw. On Tuesday president trump postponing negotiations on a stimulus bill until after election day move once again is a bit risky for the president delays much-needed assistance to struggling Americans but says betsy MCI. The ultimate blame belongs to Nancy Pelosi. Why Well the House Speaker has been badgering gop to pass her two point two, trillion dollar Kona Parana virus relief bell to quote crush the virus so that we can reopen the economy and our schools safely according to Speaker Pelosi. Yet. If you take a look at that, Bill? You discover something. Very interesting. Because the bill would do all most nothing. Zip Zero Nada Zilch. To achieve those goals. Instead. Though Nancy Pelosi never mentioned sit well, her bill would rewrite election law for twenty twenty. Barring voter ID requirements for states to count absentee ballots that arrive as late as ten days after election day and imposing same day voter registration everywhere. Though. Currently only twenty one states allow it. You tell me to those changes. Belong in stimulus bill. Now. There's almost no disagreement. Here's the irony of the situation. There's almost no disagreement between Republicans and Democrats over sending every American dull a twelve hundred dollar check. But. That's almost an after thought that's that's a teeny tiny part of the total bill. Pelosi's version her my way or the highway version of the bill would fritter away hundreds of billions of dollars. Closing state and city budget gaps with nothing absolutely nothing long-term to show for it. Policies, Bell promises, school, District's two hundred and twenty, five, billion dollars. But only five billion dollars or two percent would go to making schools safer by Improving Air Quality or installing sinks and other hygiene upgrades. Oh. The rest is the Teacher's Union protection plan astonishingly school districts that economize and reduce per pupil spending or changed labor contracts are automatically ineligible. For stimulus funding. Hope. It we're not done yet. The bill allocates four, hundred, seventeen billion to state and local governments with no strings attached. It's pretty much a lost opportunity to rescue cities that are turning into ghost towns because employees fear the virus and are working remotely. When Office Buildings Convention Centers? Railroad terminals other workplaces are empty though. The businesses around them fall. Like dominoes. Retailers shoes shoe signs food trucks, restaurants. They're struggling. To rebuild, their customer. Base. Manhattan Saint Paul Minneapolis only about ten percent of office workers are back on site worse than anywhere else in the entire country. Wouldn't it make sense? If Miss Pelosi was being honest and transparent and really wanted to solve the problem. Wouldn't it makes sense that a sizeable portion of stimulus money should go to environmental improvements. I duNno air cleaning systems. Anti Microbial Coatings Anti. Microbial coatings on death's keyboards. And other anti-viral technologies that actually improve workplace safety. Instead. In Pelosi's bill the six, hundred billion plus allocated the city states and school districts a staggering amount equivalent to the nation's entire defense budget. would be consumed plugging budget holes and almost certainly would be gone by the end of the year. Concludes Betsy McCarthy. Former Lieutenant Governor of New York by the way. Plus needs to play it straight. Using this pandemic to slip in controversy over voting changes for twenty twenty. It doesn't pass smell test. And does it do anything whatsoever? To help Americans who are struggling as a result of covid nineteen. Nine seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, drop, knee attacks center thirteen ten, Kfi text line at three, one, nine, nine, six, six, forty, eight, now thirteen, ten KFI. Rogue Code. Now? Weekdays at for northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten. KFI K.. Catch inside the bear's den presented by Christmas Agency allstate insurance Tuesday nights northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI K. A bit of a stomach churning cautionary tale as those bull elk while they're feeling Kinda frisky this time of year as it is mating season after all sixty three now thirteen ten, kfi thirteen ten KFI K. A. dot com northern Colorado's voice mornings gail from the auto collision as Specialists Studios. It's so you have been forewarned to hear the story about this guy that was he was just out enjoying a pleasant round of golf with his three Powell's well, he ended up. In the hospital after a nasty encounter with a large bull elk, which ripped his kidney into three pieces I kid you not Zach Bornhoft forty-one, his friends they were playing the Evergreen Golf course this past Saturday they were met by dozens of elk just roaming around the course it's not an uncommon sight. So born hop said the Gulf went pretty good and speaking to CNN golfing went pretty good throughout the day until we got to the back nine and saw those elk. Bul It's just dying us, don't you be eyeball eyeballing me? We were slowly going forward and the Buhl out started charging at US and he missed. So Zach? Buddy gas the car to get away and well didn't get away fast enough as the elk gaurd him on his right side. Yeah. The animals antler punctured born Hans Body and penetrated his left kidney pretty much ripping it apart. It was unbelievable. He told CNN the was just freaked out and there was nothing we could do for hop also recounted his ordeal on facebook where he insisted that he and his friends definitely were not playing with the elk important safety tip give them plenty of distance. He said on facebook. There was absolutely nothing I could do in my situation. It's unbelievable how fast and wide news travel. So here's the real story. The Elk owned the property and he didn't want US I. Didn't he wrote Napoles titled Zach Versus The elk going on to say I didn't do anything wrong. I took pictures from a distance and zoomed in on the photos driver. My Card is devastated, but there really wasn't anything that we could do. We were just trying to get away born housewife. Meghan also recounted his ordeal on facebook where she said after a long night half day of waiting, we are relieved to say that the urologist thinks the kidney will be able to repair itself. She added the trauma team put Zach under last night to flushes wound. Ouch Yikes, they were able to clean them up. But well, they couldn't safely go further at that point he continues to be in a tremendous amount of, but is handling it with true intrude Zach fashion with his dry sense of humor. Spokesperson for Denver Parks and REC said that the incident was the first time in at least fifteen years that Golfer has been gored. They're just all over the course shoot him in West loveland but people can play through and I would suggest if well, he hits an errant tee shots and plops down among a herd of elk. You just take drop and. Go on with your life. So you don't end up like Zach. Cindy Kovar ski of Denver Parks and Recreation says they're all over the course but people can play through their signs posted around the course to warn golfers to stay away from the elk. I think that is advice. We should all heed sixty-seven seven out thirteen ten K. F. Kfi. Only. Sixty nine now thirteen ten K of K, a thirteen, ten K.. A. Dot com ones with Gail from the Auto Collision Specialists Studios. All right. We're GONNA get all caught up an everything that you need to now with ABC News and local news just right around the corner, and then we're going to jump right into our local news. Up this as the cameron peak fire makes run, but the crews hold their lines some good news there, thirteen ten K., A. 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132 - Post Debate Recap - Russian Collusion News

Republic Keeper - with Brian O'Kelly

46:04 min | 2 months ago

132 - Post Debate Recap - Russian Collusion News

"A. Republican podcast. Thanks for joining. My name is Brian Kelly. I will be your host for today's adventure. Broadcasting from the forest in cottage link. Washington. Just outside of Seattle on my russian-made table, impede to nine hundred. PODCAST number one Bernie. Up On twitter facebook whatever your choices. and Brian your bro and Parlor et Cetera. And at the Republic Dot Com website for the social media connections and more and thanks again for joining we will start the broadcast day like every other day I thanking God for good. Health. And the ability to be here sharing with you, and while I'm not even sure how to describe what we saw last night in the debate. It was. It was kind of a knock down drag out wasn't. I don't know what else to call it. Those guys were It was bare knuckles and and brass knuckles and barroom kind of kind of deal. In fact, this I think typifies how it sounded. Let me see if this works. spoke. About how felt to me the whole time? I. Don't know about you guys. While those guys were talking over each other and. You know I'll tell you what I think. I think trump was right to do that. and. I'll. Sort of Biden been right to do that. either. One I think it would have been right to do that and. The reality is that. Well let's see. Now I'm looking at the deal here microphone going out it is okay. The reality is that that part of the idea here is people are listening to what you say. But they're also watching how you behave. And the idea of being the Alpha Dog is part of what we're hiring. We're hiring supposedly the man or the woman who is the one that more Americans want to follow than any other. That's the idea and so. Part of that is demonstrating that you can lead, which means when it comes to a situation like that, and there's a situation who's GonNa take charge who's going to take control. If you're the one who takes control the situation you become the defacto leader in that situation and Joe Biden would have served himself well to have demonstrated some ability to dominate Donald Trump I mean the reality is that that the forces that are arrayed against our nation? They are much more difficult to deal with the Donald Trump. If. You can't deal donald trump on the debate stage. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to deal with with. The Chinese. It's that simple and donald trump understands that that he had to communicate he couldn't deal with with Joe Biden on the debate stage. Then, he didn't have anything that he could do now the the big controversy. erupted out of this is that trump apparently is now a supporter of the proud boys because he said to stand back and stand down. So we are going to get into that and we're GONNA get into it later in. The program today. So I, don't want to think I know what you think a glossing over or ignoring that for convenience I. think it was a clumsy moment. We'll talk about it more later. But there were a lot of clumsy moments and. What are the questions that I wanted to? have. them ask Joe Biden. Yesterday, I said was if you had been in charge of the covid response. What would you have done differently when how and what would the total of the death toll have ben now, my understanding was there was a pre debate agreement that they weren't gonNA use the figure two, hundred K. anywhere in the in agreement Chris. Wallace wasn't gonNA use it in the questions at least and but Joe Biden used it here and you know when asked about The Response Donald. Trump. said it is what it is and so here is Joe Biden's response to that. Man. It's walls. By Easter this had begun away by the warm weather. It'd be gone miraculous like a miracle and by the way, maybe inject some bleach in your arm and that would take care of it. This is associated sarcastic. Thousand people a day are contracting covert in addition to that about between seven fifteen thousand people there dying when was presented with that number he said it is what it is or is what it is because you or who you are. He knew all the way back in February how serious crisis was he knew it was a deadly disease. What did he do is on tape is acknowledging you knew it he said, he didn't tell us or give people a warning of it because he didn't want to panic the American people you don't panic. He panicked. And so those were I. Think Joe's best two lines of the whole night. Where he said it is what it is because you are who you are. And you don't panic. He panicked. And I don't think he delivered either of them very well. But they were the best lines of the night for him I thought. Now, this kind of went back and forth and went all over the map, and let's get into some reaction I because I think the reaction. Is. We'll do the reactions and then we'll do the actual debate content because I think the reaction. Coming I will help you get a sense of. How they're? How they're handling this. So first, let's go to Claire mccaskill and senator. Claire. mccaskill and here's what she had to say senator. Let me begin with you same same question I asked. Your former Senate colleague Comma Harris. What just happened in your view. Well. I'm eighty percent sad and twenty percent mad as hell. It was a terrible thing to happen in our democracy. And I am really like had it up to here with anybody saying that there's some kind of false equivalency between these two debate participants I thought Joe Biden by and large showed the kind of self control that we used to define as presidential. I thought. Donald. Trump showed exactly who he is a bully who is on moored who is chaotic? Who has no answers who really exposed how badly he has been impacted by having the power he's had and I don't think it will hurt him with his supporters, but it's not gonNA help him anywhere that he is bleeding votes right now particularly among women particularly in the suburbs and particularly with older Americans that no, this isn't the way we do this in our country. And so apparently, his power has been the problem that Donald Trump has been in office, and that is the thing that has corrupted him in the mind of Claire mccaskill course. Now she didn't like him before he ran for office, and so I'm not sure that that really is any difference now. Joy, Reed. was just actually do Nicole Wallace first and Koalas over on. MSNBC this is the woman who I said yesterday I got to find out this woman's name and I guess I knew it but I had forgotten and would like to This was supposedly a news anchor here she is I just want to give voice to is probably an elephant in the room for those of you who have moderated debates Chris Wallace, did not act as a moderator Donald Trump did not act as a debater donald trump was the abuser and Chris Wallace was among the abused also among the abused his opponent who had debate. Challenger who was cheating mean those were not the rules I participated in debate negotiations. There are rules, Donald Trump didn't follow them and the debate moderator didn't hold his feet to the fire and everyone who was suggesting there was nothing he could do try driving down the freeway in a rainstorm with an eight year old in the back screaming. There's always something you can do you take the IPAD and you throw it out the window. There's always something you can deprive misbehave child of in this case, it was donald trump's desperate need for the oxygen of airtime and I wonder very seriously whether conversations are being had among the subsequent. Moderators about what to do with an abusive participant Donald Trump abused the process he abused the debate moderator. He sought to abuse his opponent now, men and women I think will react to this very differently. I think in the face of abuse, there's just a human instinct to defend, and so I think men might feel like Joe Biden missed opportunities to punch back I think women might have appreciated that this didn't descend into pure violence this felt like an assault. That's enough of that so was in fact, Chris Wallace. Being abused by Donald Trump is that accurate? Is Donald Trump abuser. Is He to be treated like an eight year. Old Child Who's IPAD is to be thrown out the window is that accurate? Is that fair. I think think. I don't know we'll see if she had any criticism. Back, we don't have to see. I know that she didn't have any criticism for the misbehavior of Joe Biden and which will talk about probably later in the broadcast Joe Biden was just out of bounds on some of the things that he had to say. About the president or more more accurately to the president. Let's get one more from joy Reid, and then I think we'll grab a quick break and come back. Here is joy reid. As I was watching it first of all for the first. Fifteen minutes I couldn't understand what was saying because as you said, you know I've seen the Newt Gingrich debate strategy when he would attack the moderator there is the attack the moderators strategy. And Try to litigate the moderator this. This question was unfair. Why are you asking that right? I've seen the strategy of tried to belittle, throw your off and get them to make a mistake trump used that in two thousand, Sixteen Against Hillary Clinton. He would mock her and to jump in and pivot into try to get her to throw her off her game. There's all sorts of two strategies. This was not if it was a debate strategy. I'd be surprised. Maybe it was. It just seemed like a man who was out of control. That Donald Trump physically could not stand to hear truths about himself I started. Couldn't stand the truth about himself is that what it is or is it that he couldn't stand to hear the lies about him biting down trying to take? No. Thank you. I like. Hundred. million. Existing conditions. Sarcasm right exactly and he when Joe, Biden and I thought his best moment was when he started talking about his son said, my son served his country. He was not a loser and he was not a sucker this a pretty moving moment when when it was a chance for the country to take a step back and listen to what he was saying about his son Donald Trump physically couldn't let him get to the end of the sentence and he answered jacket who? EXCEPT THAT He thought Oh. This is my chance to go after hunter. Bida, he wasn't talking about Hunter Biden talking about Bo by right and it was his chance to after hundred Biden and I kind of agree that it was a little bit of A. I don't know it was it was a it was uncomfortable and. Trump had to find a way to get that Hunter Biden stuff in there. At some point and? Joe Bringing Up Beau. Biden. If that was the right way or the best way to do that but I will say this that. When. He said when Joe Biden said, you call them suckers losers that's also ally. Right. So if you're a slander if donald trump you you come at me with that slander that I knew saying that I said our troops are suckers losers when I never said it. I'm probably GonNa Punch back, pretty hard, which is what the president did and we will get to that right after. The break and show. Them how the President Punch back on this Issue Joe Biden's son. So. Welcome back. podcast broadcast webcast columnist, they know. Your time and attention thanks for listening in for those. Testing. Three things I asked the listeners and viewers to do I need people pray for me. you can imagine doing this guy needs insight, wisdom, balance stuff right and then. Put Energy. Sweep. Another thing that I ask people to do to whatever device you're listening on right now has a subscribe button and a share button. So if you subscribe to the channel whether that's on Youtube or like the page on facebook like in follow, you get the updates or twitter if you want to follow me on twitter at brand your bro then you'll get the live broadcasts notifications when the show comes up. Monday through Friday six am, and then the last thing is ask people if you think this valuable useful worthwhile couldn't support the show and you can visit patron dot com slash republic keeper and you'll find the way to do that. So pretty straightforward. So Now Before the break we were talking about. Oriented Jewelry on about that she thought Joe Biden strongest moment was when he mentioned his son and the trump pivoted. Right two hundred. Biden. Here's what that moment. I son was in Iraq he spent a year there. He got. He got the bronze star you got conspicuous service medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot and the people left behind. There were heroes really and I resent. Okay. You took. My son Beau Biden your. Own Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out dishonorably discharged. That's not true. Genius, and he didn't have a job. Now, I'm GONNA stop this right here because Joe? Biden says that's not true. He was not dishonorably discharged. It absolutely is true Hunter Biden was dishonorably discharged. For cocaine use. Or potentially who knows maybe he wasn't dishonorably. Maybe his dad got the paperwork fixed. Maybe. It was an honorable discharge. But he did nine months in the navy and there are no nine months contracts and the reason for his discharge was that he failed a drug test did you became vice president? Would you not of that? He made a fortune in Ukraine in China and Mazda separate areas of the players. He my son which in July son and he didn't have jess son like a lot of people like a lot of people you know at home had a drug problem. He's overtaken it. He's. He's he's fixed it. He's worked on it and I'm proud of but why? He's worked on. He's done it so much that. Who knows if he's caused drug problems? I, don't know. We do know this that not only was he traveling around the world making big money because of his last name and his dad's connections but you know in trump brought up in the debate here that the Senate report said the hundred to three and a half million dollar payment from the. Wife of the mayor of Moscow. Now, I don't know what that's about and I don't know that it really relates to the. Presidential debate either accept the Joe Biden tried to smear trump with an untruth and trump appears to have responded with something. True. I don't know now one of the questions that's come up quite a bit on this and I saw a lot of this on. post-debate reaction last night when the guys kept interrupting each other was why in the world don't they shut off the microphones Lawrence O'Donnell kind of answered that pretty well, the presidential debate commission is always a decidedly behind the times a May. I'm sure we'll stick. To their of catechism on this, which absolutely does not work. The twitter was filled with suggestions that the next moderator is going to have to be able to turn off the microphone for two minutes of the speaker whose turn it is to listen because it's the only way for that to happen, and of course, all trump being the biggest violator of that. Now, these rules have all been agreed to by both parties. As we all know there's a very intense negotiation about the rules and so turning off the microphones is something. The presidential debate commission is not allowed to do without the agreement of both parties The trump side will never agree to that because that's his entire debate strategy is to speak while Joe Biden speaking there is no other debate strategy if we can call it a debate strategy. Well now, and that's partially right. I mean first of all, it's important. Understand that the network Fox in this case that was doing the broadcasting news Chris Wallace was there the network doesn't have control over the microphones that's the presidential debate commission that sets the rules and all that kind of stuff and even camera angles. All that is all done by the presidential debate commission not by the networks. And so they don't have control over it in the end but O'Donnell's also right. That is trump's debate strategy is to. Interrupt, and talk over Joe Biden, and the reason that that's necessary is get like explained before number one, he's demonstrating alphabet Alva- dogs status. He's demonstrating who's in charge of the room and that it's not Joe Biden which is what you're trying to establish that Joe Biden is not the guy who could be in charge of the room. So Healed one more thing and then we're gonNA, take a break and see if there are anybody wants to call in and react that way also your chats coming in. So the last thing you WanNa talk about is this this race issue that was brought up so the Question was asked directly of Donald Trump. Will you deal with a? Will you renounce white supremacy? and. So this is Lawrence O'Donnell's of kind of reaction that, and then we'll get into what actually happened at the debate. Here is Lawrence O'Donnell i. do think Brian that going forward tomorrow night and and. Not just through this week, but through history, probably the biggest headline that will live through history of this debate is the president of the United States refusing refusing repeatedly to take a stand against white supremacists each moderator must must ask that question again, an ask that question more than once in each one of these debates of Donald trump it can't be allowed to end away at ended tonight and if Donald Trump was going to go through everyone these debate refuse. To take a stand against. I'm GonNa play this again, he said refusing repeatedly let's see if I can get it here. The biggest headline that will live through history of this debate is the president of the United States refusing refusing repeatedly violating. Refusing, repeatedly to take a stand now. If that's what happened that would be a big problem wouldn't. Here is what happened exactly? Are you willing tonight to condemn whites of promise and militia groups and? Say Sure. He said sure to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence and a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland. Nodding his head sure I'm willing to do that. So now I just heard that he refused repeatedly. And he said sure and he said sure I'm willing to do that. Do IT I I would say almost everything I. See is from the left wing not from the right. Now what are you? What do you want? To. Say. You want to call them. What do you want to call them give me a name. Give me a price doesn't. This stand. So now, Chris Wallace is saying white supremacist militias and the president's saying sure Joses the proud boys and here's the president can stand by, but I'll tell you what I'll tell you what? Route Boris. Stand Black and stand by but I'll tell you what I'll tell you what somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem is VIP direct. Guy. Are you willing, right? So this is a left-wing problem. And he says stand back and standby to the proud boys now the proud boys. I'll tell you. I know some guys in the proud boys. They're not my friends if they were I wouldn't be embarrassed just not. The men that I've met in the proud boys I have met out at some of the back the blue rallies. Okay. Now, here's the interesting thing for those who've been following the podcast for any length of time. Back, win the Chop Chaz zone happened in Seattle, and you can look at the Youtube Agency, the video of this or on the facebook pages there. There was a man who's become my friend Max Rogers who was black man who is there to carry a flag through the occupied zone in Seattle the anarchists zone, and I was down there just filming that day and I didn't know Max he was walking up to the the entrance of Chaz or chop. With an American flag and I thought this guy's going to get killed and I went up and introduce myself and sin he said, well, we're going through here and I said, well, I guess I'm with you and walked through with them and ended up getting assaulted in the process and so on. Well Max. Max The black man who was carrying his flag through shop that I was helping. Max. Is The guy who introduced me some guys in the proud boys. So I haven't been to a proud boys meaning or anything like AMAC's introduced me to some guys that are in that group at back the blue event I went to I went to the event down in Seattle, and again you can see this on the on the youtube page. Also, there's video from the Seattle police support the Seattle Police guild thing that was there and I went down there to see that and I was introduced by Max to some guys that are in the proud boys. Now. The guys that I met? I don't know if they're racists. I have no idea. I know this they were friendly and on good terms with my friend Max who is black That's all I know. Okay and a little more a little more. Let me just tell you a little bit more than I know about the proud boys and this is just what I know. Gavin McGinnis who was a founder over vice? Media. Is founder of the proud boys and What Gallon McGuinness was responding to Is. If you go to go to any college today, you can go to the college and sign up and they will have a a black students group or a Latino students group, or there might be a You know whatever an Asian. Students group or there'll. Be An LGBTQ. MSNBC DNC whatever alphabet soup group every group in the world there is, but there won't be a white students group and I'm not saying there should be. Okay and there won't be a straight group students group and I'm not saying there should be. But what Gavin McGinnis did is said if everybody else is proud to be black and gay or Asian and gay or or Chinese, and bisexual or Indonesian. And Trans why. Is it wrong for me to be proud to be white and straight? Seems like a reasonable question. I'm not embarrassed that I'm white. I'm not embarrassed I'm straight. Neither am I proud of either. Why would it be? Proud to be white. Or. Why would I BE PROUD TO BE BLACK Why would it be proud to be any race? Or embarrassed. It's not something I exercise any control over. And so all Gavin McInnes was doing is. You know starting this group that said we're not embarrassed to be. Men Not. Women. As. Men were not embarrassed to be men were not embarrassed to behave like manna. We're not embarrassed to protect the week or two to say women and children I that doesn't embarrass us. That's what the proud boys was started as now I believe that some of the chapters of the proud boys have probably morphed into something beyond that that maybe is a racist organization and I'm certain that there are racists who have joined the proud boys. I'm also certain that there are racists who have joined black lives matter. And I'm certain that there are people in black lives matter who want to peacefully push racial racial justice and there are people who want to violently push overthrow. and. So the idea that these are. The same is foolishness. Regardless Kamala Harris. Had to say that it was a dog whistle. I here's what she had to say here's my question. Did we witness dog whistle in real time when he said the following quote if you were a certain person, you have no status in life it was sort of a reversal. Brian what we saw was a dog whistle through a bullhorn donald trump has not pretending to be. Anything other than what he is someone who will not condemn white supremacists someone who cannot say the phrase black lives matter someone who is is getting rid of training. Of Federal employees around the issue of race and the need to be aware of implicit bias. S on a dog whistle. Literally he's talking through a bullhorn. And so the dog whistle idea right is that only dogs can hear certain frequencies right and so by speaking in code, only the racists in the audience will hear it and everybody else won't hear it. That's the idea it's a, it's a it's a dog whistle to alert people to that. This is this is code you need to be a racist and obviously that's not a position that I'm going to. Support or agree with one more, Kamala Harris and he's just she had to say. America was presented with a very clear choice on the one hand you have Joe Biden. has experienced who has poise who has grace who speaks with intelligence who speaks directly in the camera to the American people about their situation, and then on the other hand do you have an angry defensive donald trump who spent fulltime interrupting attempting to bully the process including the moderator? When I watched the debate I'll have to tell you brian couldn't help but think about the people around the world who are watching the debate and. And people have mentioned it on this network just minutes ago. But but what it has done in terms of what Donald Trump has done continuously since he's been in office including tonight to debase the office of the president of the United States and that is our office thought his office. That's the People's office and I think that the American people a during this debate had clear contrast in terms of what they they've got and what is possible and what they can have if they vote. What they can have if they vote and I guess what they can have a vote is a guy who you know it's interesting I keep hearing how? Donald Trump is disrespectful. That's what I. Keep hearing how trump is the guy who who doesn't have any respect for people and can't be polite and so on and I don't know. Here's what I heard who Under oath. So let me ask you this. Mr I'm listening to you. Wait a minute the final word it's hard to get anywhere with this clown. With this clown so We got a guy who calls the president of the United States. onstage. onstage. He called the President United States a clown. Now. I don't know man maybe maybe I'm just old school but for me, that's impolite. And it's impolite to do it in public to anyone it's definitely employed to do it to the President United States. One more. The fact is that I've gone head to head with Putin and made it clear to him. We're not gonNA take any of his stuff he's. Now that cracks me up. He's made it clear to him or not GonNa take any of his stuff. So while Joe and Barack Obama were in office is when Putin supposedly was doing all this bad stuff. And Joe made it clear to him and that's why they what kept doing it. Trying to figure that out anyway, go ahead, Joan, puppy he still refuses to even say anything to Putin about Putin and made it clear to him. We're not gonNA, take any of his stuff. He's Putin's puppy he still refuses the East. To Putin about the bounty on the heads American soldier are at the bounty on the heads of American soldiers. Now, that's another lie. So you know apparently Joe can just come on and say whatever he wants. The. Bounty on the heads. American. Soldiers not true. The statements about that trump said about. Our troops are losers in sucker's not true or at least not proven to be true and yet and come on and say whatever he wants and the moderator didn't stop him one bit. Of One more thing we come back I will be opening the phones GonNa, take a quick break and if you want to call in and share your thoughts or text in on what you thought was the most important thing especially if I haven't covered if I missed it, love to hear your thoughts on what you thought was the biggest and most important point out of last night. So be right back in. Just. And we'll go from there. Thanks. PODCAST. In, thanks for your time and attention. So One more thing from debate and then. He really what is I think much bigger story to happen yesterday. With the release of this information about Hillary Clinton's campaign and the intelligence referral et Cetera way. Back. In Two thousand sixteen and this is really kind of a big story so. We'll one more thing on the debate I. Think we'll get into this. What I think is cash bigger story and you know there's been a lot made of trump's says saying that there may not be a peaceful transfer of power. And, you know, obviously, that's a huge concern. If there's not going to be a peaceful transfer of power, we've always had a peaceful transfer of power and the biggest way to make sure that that's not an issue of course, is to have an absolutely overwhelming victory on the part of either one of these candidates that would. Solve the disputes potentially in the courts. Regardless. Trump, was asked last night about that. In the context of mail fraud here's what he had to say about putting my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen I. AM urging them to do it but I hope it's going to be fair election affair election and what I am a hundred percent on board. But of see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can't go along with that. And that that's right. If he's he's tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, he can't go along with that. Now this raises a very interesting question for any sitting president not just Donald Trump let's say biden's elected and four years from now we get the the election goes through and we find out that that the Republicans have managed to hack the voting machines. Should Joe Biden just step down? I mean, we've there's gotta be a way that a what if there was a real hack scenario in the election was bad. I don't know that we have a remedy for that. That is. One that everybody would find acceptable. But that's obviously a real possibility that's that's on the horizon. Now, the thing I wanted to talk about today in addition to the debate and I'm kind of glad that. The debate was uneventful in term for the most part except for these things now, trump didn't make one personal attack on Biden. Let's see if I got it here, I don't know if I do. Let's see. I've got a handy so we can play it because I think that we should. Yeah let me just be fair because I played the things that that Biden said that we're kind of out of school if you will You know in terms of calling trump a clown and so on. So let's let's just real quick. Grab this. Joe. Biden. Also said by the way that the trump doesn't know how to keep his word. Last That's the wrong button. So hold on. Wolves. All right. So here we go. This is what I wanted. I think Listen did you use the WORD SMART? You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class don't ever use the word smart with me don't ever use that word. and. So that was that was trump's pushing back not only the insult against the some but don't ever use the word. SMART. Now, the thing I wanted to share with you is. I'll just read this directly I. think it makes more sense. The headline says. US Intel. Referred the Clinton. Campaign to the F.. Alleging it concocted a Russian. Spy Story. That's what it says. So, let's see if Let's see if I can get this on the screen here. And I don't know if I can. And Window capture. Let's see if I can make that work. nope. Not Working doesn't matter on. Let me just get back to the story here so The story says, US intelligence developed, evidence from Russia. In. Summer of two thousand sixteen. Km prior to the election. That Hillary Clinton had personally approved a plan. To Concoct the Russia collusion narrative. In an effort to harm donald trump and distract from her email scandal. According to an explosive document made public Tuesday by the director of. National. Intelligence John Ratcliffe. US. Officials be saying came. So concerned by the Clinton campaign's conduct that they referred the matter to the FBI investigation. Well before the election. and. The bureau pursued the concocted story. For getting FISO warrants targeting trump campaign advisor Carter page. According to the letter from Deny Ratcliffe. It says. In late July two, thousand sixteen US intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that US presidential candidate Hillary. Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up scandal against us, President Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians hacking of the D. N. C.. ratcliffe wrote in a letter to Senate. Judiciary Committee Lindsay Graham. The intelligence community does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis mayor reflect exaggeration or fabrication. So back in the day, the came to them that that the Hillary Clinton camp who is planning to smear Donald Trump by saying he was associated with bladder Putin that was in their plans and the plans were in the FBI's hands. And they knew about them. Before, they ever opened the investigations. Gets worse. Ready. Radcliffe told the senator that's Lindsey Graham that the former CIA director, John, Brennan created. Handwritten notes showing he quote subsequently briefed President Obama and other national security officials on the intelligence including the alleged approval. By Hillary, Clinton on July twenty six, two, thousand, sixteen. Of a proposal from one of our foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald. Trump by stirring up a scandal. Claiming interference. So July twenty sixth. Hillary Clinton they knew Barack Obama New John. Brennan told him. That the Clinton camp was putting together a A. Smear. As a distraction from her email server. That was the purpose of the smear. K Now Bhai. Labor Day? US intelligence had escalated the concerns to the FBI on September seventh two thousand sixteen. So. Just think about the time we're in right now. Right? It's what September thirtieth. Jim Komi testifies today, which is why this is relevant I can't wait to that and The. You know we're about to go to the election. So this was like three weeks ago now same timeframe right September two, thousand, sixteen, th US intelligence, Officials Ford and investigative referral to FBI Director Jim Call Me. And Deputy Assistant Director of counterintelligence Peter Struck regarding US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval. Of, a plan concerning US presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering US elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server. So they sent an investigative referral. To call me an struck. Saying you better look into this because she's trying to smear this other candidate. This has all been in the FBI's possession. The entire time. They just plain and simply didn't wanNA bring it out. So Jim Komi is on the hot seat today. In front of. The Congress right in front of Lindsey. Graham's committee. So, here's what I want to hear. From Jim Komi today here are some questions. Jim Thome, you testified in two thousand, seventeen that the steele dossier was salacious unverified. And yet you signed FIS orange marked verified that relied on deeply flawed evidence from the dossier. Why did you do that? When did you first learn the seal dossier was funded by Hillary's campaign and the DNC, and why didn't you tell the judges who were signing off on the warrants? Mr Combe evidence in the client Smith. Prosecution shows the FBI news early as August two thousand sixteen that Carter page was a CIA asset and not a Russian agent influence. When did you first learn that information? Why wasn't the Pfizer Court informed of this critical info. Mr Comb. If you knew what you know today, would you have signed any of the FISA warrants or advocated for a special counsel? Newly declassified evidence shows the FBI knew that the primary source for steel had been previously suspected of being a Russian spy and disavowed key facts attributed him in the dossier when interview by your agents when did you learn of that and why wasn't the Pfizer Court? Informed. If you didn't know about the primary source who did because it was known inside the FBI who should have known where was the break down? Who Do we hold accountable for it and why should we hold you accountable? Pretty good questions, right. FBI appears to warn almost immediately. That the dossier contained Russian disinformation. Should the FBI have relied on at all? And why was that information kept from the courts from the Congress and the country for years? How involved was President Obama and directing FBI investigation such as the Russian probe. In what statements actions are recommendations? Did he make in connection with the probes into trump page and Michael Flynn? How involved vice president, Biden directing or advising FBI investigations. What statements actions recommendations did he make? Did the vice president suggests using the Logan Act in any way. To pursue general. Flynn. What if any evidence? Do you know about suggesting that Russia may have been trying to hurt trump's election chances are help Hillary Clinton. You still support the intelligence community assessment that Russians intent was solely to help trump win. I don't think so I don't think they wanted trump to win. Let's see. Information containing the DOJ inspector general's report suggests another confidential human source in the Russian probes. Stefan Helper may have been previously dropped as a source before the Russian case. What did you know about that? Should he have been used in the case pretty question. In The Washington Post Mr accused Joseph miffed suit of being a Russian agent. Do you have any evidence to support that claim. And if he posts such danger, why was he arrested by the FBI? When he set foot in America in two thousand seventeen. How. Would you rate the performance of Peter. Struck and Lisa, page on the Russia case. How would you grade Andrew? McCabe is performance. Did you approve of the use of DOJ lawyer Bruce or as a back channel to steal after the informative in terminated. What do you think about that decision now? And the FBI agent and supervised, Flynn. Recommend closing down twice once in November two, thousand sixteen, and again in January two, thousand seventeen because a lack of evidence of wrongdoing. But the seventh floor management was told to keep it open. Anyway why was it? The probe closed down like the lead ages suggested what do you think that agent claim that the probe suffered from bias to get trump? Those are the questions I'd be asking Jim me today. I'd also be asking him. If he was intending to circumvent the. Though one thousand, one form. Or the one thousand, one notice the notice that these things could be used against you the equivalent of a Maranda. Thing when he sent the agents over what he's been struck in yes. This Guy Barnett over. was intending to get around that. Did he was he trying to get Flynn when he was disarmed he's basically said so on cameras so I'd be I'd be asking him. Those questions pretty quickly. So it seems like. The Komi thing today is going to be informative Lindsey Graham does his job and candidly I'm not as optimistic about Lindsey Graham doing his job as I'd like to be I wish that I was. Convinced that he was the guy who's committed to writing the wrongs but I haven't seen that in the way I'd like to from From the good center. So it is what it is and we'll go from there. Thanks again for joining the broadcast today. I'M GONNA tug on here and we will pick up tomorrow with probably a review of the James Comey testimony. To the extent that it's public and probably some more debate reactions tomorrow. When we get back in. Thanks for joining on the Republic, keep broadcast. Again, my name is Brian Kelly missed the Republic Uber Dot Com website to support the show. Thanks again. Appreciate it. Have a great. Day.

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Full Episode: Friday, October 26, 2018

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Full Episode: Friday, October 26, 2018

"Burning mansion in the flames a terrible secret. The fire appears to be intentionally set is that community to the court, especially when those horrific details started to come out about what happened inside that house. A mother father ten year old son and the family housekeeper all held hostage for almost twenty terrifying hours. Finally a ransom in cash, but it doesn't save the helpless. Captives only the smoke escaping out a window this in a wealthy Washington on Clave, the vice president's neighborhood this could happen there. What about the rest of us ordinary Joes what chance to we have? Tonight. Twenty twenty takes you inside the court case that just wrapped new details. New voices. My guess is. They used the ten year old to get whatever they wanted out of the adults. I can't stop thinking about that day. We'll hear from the surviving housekeeper about life. At the mansion was there anything in the Savalas his life that suggested they had enemies room by room clue by clue the burning force the shadowy figure caught on surveillance cameras, the bizarre late night pizza delivery is burn the house down. But guess what doesn't burn the pizza with his saliva on it? But they get a hit. We've got a name. We've got a face police have their target. Thus begins an intense, forty eight hour, nationwide Mannheim. Really had a lot of vacation catch this. The high stakes capture of suspect Aaron win the eyes of the US Marshall who stopped him up and down the east coast. So this is where it happened at the red light. That's where we made our move. So you had to block him in from all four sides somewhat. That's right tonight. The loan awaited verdict in the case that outraged to country in can't take your eyes off this case because it's just that horribly. Incredible. Good evening. I'm Amy robot David Muir, and this is twenty twenty reporting tonight Ryan Smith with the breaking verdict in the story. He's been covering now since it began some three years ago. What is your emergency? Either house fire thirty two one woodland drives. And we begin with that breaking news right now out of DC four people infirm, dead house fire when firefighters arrived. It was engulfed in flames destination continues as we have firefighters. We have DC police. Lease hit a call came in Thursday at one thirty in the afternoon, this journey looks like initially that room, but it's going sweeper your cost the whole overhang on the front of the house. Sure. And there's a long ago off inside trim quick. We're out on a story. Something else. They said, hey, there's a fire on woodland drive. Get over there right away got their big fire. And then moments later the realization something's going on here. Something really bad is going a three point five million dollar mansion engulfed in flames. Sicko Florida's completely. Where there is no unusual intensity. Firefighters police combing through the scene on the street sheer panic says WJLA reporter, Steven Shida. Investigators do believe this fire was deliberately set arson. Ever happened. That's really kind of just rattling this woman comes up and she's distraught. And she's like, I so afraid you know, I was supposed to be there. They they texted me. They told me not to come. And I work here. I know this family, and she's she's frantic and hysterical. That woman is Nellie Gutierrez for the past two decades. She's worked for the homeowners. Amiens of us of oppa Lewis. What were they like together for laugh retu-? She says the populaces were the picture perfect couple on my nineteen twenty year working for the family. They never fight. It was so good to better. He will love and valley and the same way, you know. You know? Two other sound way. We're firefighters arrived at this house. They thought it which is a buyer. They were crawling around their hands because this is their training. He's feeling around the room, and he feels that share. And he feels the chairs waited, and then he feels for a head and he feels the head and he tries to pick the person up and they slip right through his grasp. He's radioing in. We've now got a crime scene here. Crime. Jim. These photos giving us a look inside the house inside the carnage could see the blood covering floor. You could see one of the chairs that they have been restrained. And you could see it was just covered in blood. It's tossed over on the side, then the room where Philip was just charred his bed charred. Had sunk in it had collapsed burned all the way through to the floor below just it was awful. Fire is is definitely suspicious nature. We have three adults, and what appears to be possibly a child deceased inside of the home Amiens of us of olice their posh home. Now pulled it up. Newly surrounded by a locked chain link fence starkly out of place in this quiet, leafy DC, neighborhood and abrupt ending to a love story that seemed destined to play out as heavily ever after. They both attend the university of Maryland Tomasz had a crush on her for all four years and pursued her and pursued her and pursued her and she would never say, yes. Until the very end. She finally agreed to go date, and they seemed like a perfect match for each other. After college. The couple has a large Greek Orthodox wedding pictured here on Instagram tribute page Sava known for a strong work ethic and gentle manner succeeds. His father is CEO of American Iron works. As a young wealthy Washington couple. They settle in this red brick home with its own library and music room surrounded by manicured, lawns, hedges and gates helping maintain the inside of the home Veda Figueroa, a mother of two supporting her family back in El Salvador. She wouldn't make it out alive. So tell me about VERA she like van lights, I would like to work her and to us, very happy. Lazy? The couple have three children Abigail Katharina and Philip. The two girls away at boarding school during the fire. Philip unfortunately, losing his life in the flames. What about Philip though, he's ten was very very make sure like he was very funny. You know, like when I talked to him and fun. He could swing site. But then when I talked to him a little bit more anything. No, no, no, no, even understand. Ten year old. Philip notice flip is a fan of Harry Potter and has an atypical hobby. Go kart racing. This is not your normal. Ten year old gets to Philip had a coach any had a top of the line go-cart and Amy made her son do his homework between races. And it's one of these go cart tracks, but Sebastian Bach. Bolus meets this man. Fellow racing enthusiast. Twenty eight year old Jordan Wallace, while is creating a website with videos of the extreme sport is awesome. I have nothing to complain about their friendship would lead to a job as personal assistant. Wallace will later end up playing a pivotal role. In those final hours that assistant says he got a call from Vaas apples to bring forty thousand dollars cast to the house was it an armed robbery gone wrong or calculated murder-for-hire questions that would could found police and this once peaceful neighborhood, I talked with several neighbors who said that they saw Philip playing in the driveway. They see Amy walking around the neighborhood exercising now passed by that house is an eerie feeling for these neighbors one that will never go away. So this had to shake into the core. It's that community to the courtship the city to the court next a fairly held hostage for nearly twenty. Desperate hours the calls. They were forced to make during those hours. Eight jordan. A fast Mars. I've got a package that I'm doing you to bring down to me. It's Wednesday may thirteenth around six PM as Washington DC is closing for the night. And people are sitting in traffic, the survivalist family with teenage girls away at boarding school are trying to survive the most desperate night of their lives. It begins with a terrifying. Home invasion, also inside the mention the family's housekeeper. Vera figueroa. She had been with the savant pelouses since her friend in the families other housekeeper Nelly Gutierrez got her the job you help to work with us about his family. Right. Yes. And I took her over there. And they was like almost five years ago forties now believe that housekeeper is the first person to encounter the intruder since Astra trying to fight him off. And he used the back because her DNA was found on the handle of one of the baseball, bats longtime crime reporter, Jennifer Donnellan, covered the story. This started out as a story about five. Right. We're trying to figure out. It's something more sinister happen before the fire that evening, one of the captives Savasta. Operas leaves a voicemail telling hair is not to come in the next day. This message eight years in bed tonight and she's afternoon. All. She's gonna stay the night here. But Gutierrez doesn't get the message until the next day. When I got that messin Thursday. I what thinking and I thought calling them. So I go her my say hi Beira was going on. No. No one. Veras husband Bernardo, El Faro, telling reporter John Gonzalez from ABC Washington station, WJLA he begins to worry at five o'clock Wednesday afternoon. He goes home starts calling her nonstop on her cellphone intil the cellphone really stops ringing. But at about nine pm, the strangest call by far a call for a food delivery. We can confirm that we made a delivery to the house police say it's Amy Sabas calling Domino's pizza. She orders to pies gives a credit card number and special instructions. Ring the doorbell caring for a sick child. Just leave it on the front door. The Domino's driver needs the pizza rings, the bell and drives away taking with him an opportunity to end the ordeal for the terrified people just inside. There are things that happen that of course, now we can look back on and say what this Domino's pizza box later found inside the burned home seemingly innocuous evidence. Of a horrifying night. Thank that. The killer actually ordered an eight a pizza during the middle of all this. I couldn't even eat after I heard about it. This guy's eating pizza in the middle of that night. Savant of operas calls his assistant Jordan Wallace. The man the family met at that go kart track. Jordan, Savas leaves a voice message really upbeat message saying can you stop by the office and get us a package? You go straight to the high Saloth weight of got a happy that I'm being being you to bring down to me police say that Wallace responded by text got your message. I'll call once I get the package the longest night passes on woodland drive as Thursday dawn's housekeeper. Vera, Figueroa's husband after working overnight shift finds his wife, still not home. He goes to the mansion looking for knocks on the door rings the doorbell nothing. But it's interesting. He says it felt to me like someone was inside could hear them. He just says he heard like noses lake someone shuffling inside. Just then his phone rings. It's Savasta Bobelis inside the house there just a few feet apart. He says lethal, I'm sorry. I didn't call you last night. Vera stayed the night with us any he said that he was apologizing profusely so. The husband a little more satisfied with that the fact that he's heard from someone he goes home that morning. The next phase of the plan becomes apparent Jordan. Wallace meets another employee at a Bank near some operas company. American Iron works. Couple hours later. We see surveillance video of Jordan Wallace and another colleague of his taking out forty thousand dollars from Bank of America and Jordan later testifies that I'd never seen that much money in my entire life. Savasta vodkas tells us assistant to bring the cash to his house come into the garage the cars unlocked, not to give it to him. But to put it in a car, which you would think what set off alarm bells. And then you wonder why didn't that person? Call police at ten twenty six AM Wallace since this text message to his boss package, delivering the cash is dropped. But for some reason that doesn't stop the crime police say the killing begins. We were getting source information that there was blunt force trauma to the bodies. That there were stab wounds to the bodies that the bodies also had been tied up thirties will later piece together, the family's terrifying. Final moments alive. The three adults savant. Amy savalas. Vera Figuroa are held in an upstairs bedroom, the little boy Philip separated from the grownups in another bedroom. The cider is where it appears according to court documents as where they set that fire with the house on fire. The killer flees to think that a human would torture and murder a ten year old little boy while his mother and father sit in the next room hearing him scream an order to get money. It's hannes. Before the fire can spread to where the adults are the fire department. Get the alarm it's one thirty pm on Thursday. The story blows up a case that is shaking the neighborhood to its core. Tonight, the Bedia descends on the neighborhood. I'm seeing investigators have been here all day long early that afternoon. Someone notices Amy sedaris is blue Porsche is missing from the house. Police asked the public for help. But it wasn't hard to find just follow the smoke the Porsche towards church parking lot in Maryland back at the mansion authorities or already sifting through the grisly scene, I'm toward difficult as it for them to try to figure this out with that house being burned so badly. Their whole reason why you set something on fire in a case like that is to get rid of evidence. When we come back a microscopic clue in the strangest place and the during late night, man hunt and take down US marshals tell us. They're forced to do something. They never tried before. I said move go go go. Stay with us. So you just woke up your phone is lighting up with headlines and push notifications. And text from your mom saying, how do I click this? Okay. Maybe that's just me. But if you wanna get up to speed, check out the new podcast from ABC news start here. Literally the ground was shaking. I'm Brad milkey. And every morning, we're going to take you to the stories that matter with fast, fresh, insight, low rubber mower. Michael Cohen calling only twenty minutes start here. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. Police are on the scene of a deadly house. Fire people were found dead inside. It is the case that is shaking neighborhood to its core. The fire at thirty two one woodland drive in Washington DC had burned faster if the Washington DC firefighters had responded, a little slow key evidence in the case might have been destroyed, but the location of the crime the nation's capital gives a thirties a special advantage. This is Washington DC were unique in that sense. Are. Trapattoni police department and our DC fire department is backed up by federal agencies, the arson task force at the mansion includes the ATF which boasts perhaps the one lab in the country best equipped to extract DNA from fire damaged evidence. Greg's Arnaud piss is the deputy assistant director who runs the lab typically we're looking at Bree from a fire seeing this is where that's strange delivery, the Domino's pizza and those discarded pieces of crust comes back to bite the mansion home invader. A slice of pizza crust broke this case wide open crime scene specialist recover, the leftover crusts nothing more than household garbage to you and me, but for them the perfect serving of prime evidence. They rushed across to the ATF lab. Working around the clock looking at food when someone takes a bite of it. We could see if there's any DNA present. Todd Bill ATF analyst lifted the DNA profile off that pizza crust. There's something like this situation where there's a violent offender we can. Call the FBI, and they will do a a media search for that profile. I have never seen a DNA hit turned around that quick. Never Tuesday may nineteenth only five days after the fire in the murders a breakthrough but they get a hit. We've got a name we've got a face deer and went thirty four years old because of that lengthy criminal record his DNA was on file. And now, we knew at least one person who was allegedly inside that house now all they have to do is find him. Thus begins an intense, forty eight hour nationwide Manheim from what I understand the cars were right over here. Robert Fernandez with the US Marshall service is part of the task force now hunting for Wint, we try and draw picture of. Relatives locations where he's lived friends patterns of life, then Wednesday night exactly one week after the family had been taken captive in their mansion thorns get a line on Wint able to determine that he had fled the DC area two days after he commits these earners Daron Wint takes a road trip. And he goes to New York of all places gets on a bus and goes to his fiancee's apartment spoke won't shopping sprees paid off credit card all the while paying with hundred dollar bills always hundred dollar bills while decent police are looking for the killer of these three adults child. Darren went is living it up in New York City identified the suspect accused of killing four people, and they think he is in our area. They're sitting in bed together in there in her New York heart and see his face come on the news. He saw himself on the news from what we understand and fled the area, and you just miss catching. That's right. Eventually, he takes a taxi nine hundred dollar taxi. From New York City to DC back to his father's house. And that's where he and his brother. Concoct a plan. They're going to get a lawyer. And they're gonna turn him in wins brother and cousin say they had nothing to do with the crime begin plotting to deliver Darren to the police immediately. But that point the plan changes and Darren isn't aware that the plant changes Thursday night out week after the murders. US marshals trek winds to this Howard Johnson's in the suburbs here going and ready for anything. That's right and immediately a surprise the US marshals advanced team notices went leaving the hotel, but he isn't alone that advance team radio to us. They had a suspicion that he was in one of two vehicles that were right over here in one of those vehicles wind in three women in the other wins younger brother, derail and their cousin at that moment. Both of those vehicles left and turn northbound didn't see that company. Not at all. But we're ready to roll with air. Support is called in from prince, George. County PD. Authorities tail the group now traveling in two vehicle caravan a box truck with North Carolina tags followed by a white shitty crew. How many cars are foaming in this all together could have been twenty five navy thirty vehicle moments later authorities spring. The Trump employing a daring maneuver to stop the cars cold. It's called a vehicle pin blocking maneuver the marshalls car surround the white Chevy in the bunch truck on all sides and on the commanders go the front carbon versus the rear car speeds forward and four more cars, surround the target vehicles on all sides, basically, pending the car at four points immobile they're looking at mirrors. They saw the lights media completely totally startled. So this is where it happened. Yeah. Right here in the rear passenger seat of the white Chevy. Daron Wint tracked. He followed commands. He cut out a crawl to got on the ground. He was hand. Handcuff brought over to. And he didn't say it was the end of a painstaking forty eight hour manhunt. No sleep the nation has quite frankly, watched the search go from DC to New York now back here to the DC area. And now he is in custody in the car. Went was driving in police report finding clothing an ipad two knives cash and thousands of dollars in money orders. What did you see in the truck? I saw in the hand the side compartment of the passenger door big wad of cash, and it was one hundred dollar bills. You could tell hundreds, but the strangest find in the truck with wins brother and cousin a crumpled piece of paper scribble on it three hundred Indiana avenue, which is the address for the headquarters of the DC police that maybe another piece of information that would suggest the relatives are working with the marshalls. And we're going to ultimately drive him up to the front door possibly of the DC. Police went appears in superior court. The next day charged with. I agree. Murder while armed the community wanted to see everybody who was responsible locked up at once case closed with this case is not closed. Not by a long shot. Vexing criminal case four people murder. The house apparently towards the display any clues. But some evidence seems to have survived the air DNA and fingerprints will remove from the scene and yet only one suspect in custody. Thirty four year old Daron Wint linked to the case by the DNA evidence found on that Domino's pizza crust wits family and friends have duct the cameras put out of the blue a nuclear emerges. His former attorney Robin Flickr takes the national stage to go out on a limb for went without landed up survey Sion, he never eats pizza. He doesn't like pizza the Bumba stick thicker make sweeping statements about the innocence of a man, he defended on a handful of traffic tickets. I know him to be a kind gentle non-aggressive person, someone you wouldn't mind your grandmother going to lunch with Mr. thicker says that was really a gentle giant. That you'd wanna sit down have tea with your grandmother will not my grandmother, clearly thicker hasn't done his homework, but he's got a fairly impressive number of rests that involve assault there. Some I believe domestic violence charges and more importantly, there is the use of a knife. Get would win emigrated from the South American country Kiana to the US. His future seemed bright years before the Manson murders. He landed a well paying job as a welder at American ironworks, the company owned by savant polis, but for reasons unknown with left the company after only two years, and that's when things went south for him. While living in suburban Maryland wins own father shown here on his Facebook page feared living with him getting a protective order after he says win threatened to shoot him. A relative who didn't want to be named said with was known for his hair trigger temper. He very. I resent everywhere. Bader. Everybody by two thousand six went picked up stakes and moved here to the quiet. Upstate New York. Town of us we go living in this apartment building. It's in this port city nestled along Lake Ontario. Where Michael Babcock is about to see winced. Temper up close. We brought him back to the scene of his cousin's house where Babcock was trying to get went to leave after his cousin complained after an altercation. Went suddenly attacked there. In had come out one Mellon with the Nive and one of that in blocks his way stemming the wrist with was arrested in order to stay away from Babcock while waiting for trial. He suddenly ambushed Babcock a second time on this bridge Babcock was rushed to the emergency room where he was told he was lucky to be alive. When during seventy the next who would have been lewd lors doctors told me that would have died before I made it to the first house. He was convicted and jailed briefly only to assault again, another man in oswego and a girlfriend back in Maryland has a rap sheet as long as my arm, and that gives a perfect example to the claim of revolving door Justice Wint dates another woman, but the script is the same. He's arrested after threatening to kill her her daughter and her friends telling her he's good with a knife and could kill them easily. But despite that graphic threat wind is convicted only for smashing the windows of his girlfriend's car. And as the years pass went apparently had not forgotten his former employer in two thousand ten he made a bizarre menacing return to American ironworks, the company had left five years earlier found outside the American Iron works with a machete a BB gun and a can of beer. So there's this weird ins. Incident that occurred outside of the very place where Savas of was president and CEO although charged with concealing deadly weapon was allowed to simply plead guilty to having an open container of alcohol and find nine hundred nineteen dollars. I want to what prosecutors are thinking. Now. I let that guy go on a lesser offense. Win was able to avoid the courts for the next five years. But along the way his own siblings kickabout searching for shelter. He is increasingly desperate the suspect in that. Brutal murder to Washington DC mansion arrested. He was on the run tweet the next time. He surfaced was when he made national news as the prime suspect in the Savalas police murder case for him to then take that a step further and get involved in potentially killing for people with a knife is really not a stretch based on his background. Three years after he walked into this posh mansion Darren win funds himself in another unfamiliar house. A D C courthouse. Darren's defense strategy a curious one pointing the finger at his own brothers. The defense's argument was just that that they're in went was duped by his brothers, Stefan. And Durrell went into coming to the house into voting his mini band to be part of this whole prime that they're went have nothing to do with it. It will be an uphill battle for wind as his friends and family come to testify not for him. But against Darren step mom, testified against him saying that, you know, I don't know where he was for the entire day of may thirteenth and most of the day on may fourteen. Where was this man that entire time that this crime was taking place? There was the ex-pm say who testified under immunity that was routine test one. Because again, she testified that he's been all his money when our. Austin? She didn't want to be she's still obviously very much cares for during win. Also, the first time that we saw emotion from during went there will begin crying when she began crying. The notion of brotherly love is put to the test as wins own siblings. Take the stand the ball and Durrell these two individuals are key to the story because there went on the first day of trial. He implicated both of his brothers as being actually ones involved in this and not himself. Stefan, win testifies first Stefan credible answered the questions forthright has a job works really hard presented his employment records, which showed he was at work on the thirteenth. He was at work on the fourteenth was interesting win. Is that the defense attorney said he was the one who was in that bedroom whose hair was found in the bedroom where the adult visor pound, and that's key because siblings who have the same mother. Also have the same part of DNA. Next up was Durrell went the defendants half brother who initially appeared half asleep. During the raid was a seventy five minute lunch break, and he was outside the courtroom taking an app, but eventually his testimony heats up. Did he said, you know, there went that's my big brother? Then you put me in this situation. You're you're throwing me another bus. He really looked at Darren. And just said, I can't believe you're doing this to me, whether you believe Daron or whether you believe Durell you saw this sort of brotherly fallout playing out in front of everybody. The defense strategy. Also includes polar alternative suspects on the first trial. Now only the implicate with brothers the implicated Jordan Wallace Jordan Wallace. You'll remember is the young man who dropped off the forty thousand dollars at the house Jordan Wallace. I believe was simply an innocent person who roped into this scene on video getting the forty thousand dollars deriving there the day they were being held hostage seen on video shopping for Sava the day, they were murdered. But on the stand. He was credible. He was emotional. He was believable. Prosecutors insist Daron Wint acted alone. But as the alternative suspect strategy begins to implode. The defense throws a hail Mary. The defensive we're going to call one witness and then Mr. win. People like what did she say? Very rare to see defendant charged in a murder case unless they're claiming self defense take the witness stand. They're opening themselves up for a lot of potential questioning which could implicate and he just decided he's sharp off shrewd enough. He could take out of that prosecutor for about five hours. There went talked about his role in all of this. He was very calm. Very yes, ma'am. No, ma'am. You know, prosecutors coming out on drilling throwing questions that have left to right throw left to right by most accounts. Daron Wint was a cool customer on the stand perfectly prepped to explain it all the way is testimony was so precisely crafted to counter every single prosecution piece of evidence. Oh, yeah. That was me. I walked into the house. But that was because my brother brought me over there. And I didn't even know, you know, what was going on in that house. Tries. He might Daron Wint. Cannot fully explain that slice of pizza. The slice could not finish the slice that may finish him. Right now. Daryn wins fate in the hands of jury that after impassioned and emotional closing arguments from attorneys on both sides in dimension murders. Case jury deliberating right now it could continue to deliberate through tomorrow perhaps for several days. That prediction was accurate. Days later. The verdict was in verdict in the mansion murders trial just moments ago, one word echo through the court courtroom that word guilty guilty. Kilty all twenty counts guilty and on the first guilty delivery Savas of his father is shoulder. Just start to shake, and you can tell he's thing. And I looked over to Daron Wint. He just drops his head, and it just stayed there. The entire time prosecutors recommending sentence of life without parole. We crying say well now bettas gonna recent peace and the horrifyingly providing some measure of comfort for the woman who still holds onto the house keys to that mansion long after it was demolished. I worked for them for so many years. I miss them. So much. Why? Why bad things happen to people because they were such good fun. At long last Justice for those two surviving daughters in that family. We're gonna shift here from one family to another tonight and another family victory. We're celebrating. Yes. David my own family. We're talking about why ten of us decided to climb mount Kilimanjaro together. It was not easy. But it was for a very good reason. This is unbelievable wanna share with you something about my friend, Amy who has just marked a very poignant anniversary. And in a way that is not for the faint of heartless to say, Amy and her family decided that they would attempt which so many attempted and simply have not been able to do it you climb the fourth highest peak in the world. That's right. David. I actually did it to honor my cancer verse remarking five years since I was diagnosed with breast cancer. And I wanted to acknowledge that with my family and my loved ones by doing something I've always dreamed about climbing mount Kilimanjaro and Africa ten of us from my twelve year old daughter too. To my sixty five year old dad strapped on our boots. We used our cell phones to capture this incredible journey, and we all dug deeper and went higher than we ever have before to show that by facing your fears. You can do anything. Every year thirty five thousand tourists climb mount Kilimanjaro in every year only half of them make it to the top. So we've got ten who here's making it to the top. All right. Let's get. One of the things about climbing Kilimanjaro is that you go through five different time zones. We're in the I know the rainforest. We are walking into the Moreland, and we are out of the rainforest. Is that Kilimanjaro? Great. Ars wrecking campsite. But here the first signs of altitude sickness hit our group. It was so bad. I felt so sick. I can't go down because I'm going to do that some day. They had another mountain that I had to five years ago. I had breast cancer. And then live with a lifetime the fear fear of recurrence fear of it. Coming back and instead of living in fear. I decide to live define fear. Everyone certain fatigue the pep in our step is. Gone. Still walking. Our next day starts at midnight. And it's by far the most challenging feeling. Kind of just focus in how incredible it is to be live to be healthy enough to do this and view the comply love. From midnight till dawn Mitac steepest part of the Klein that to finally reaching Gilman's point six hours. Unbelievable. 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Interview with Gregg Jarrett (Ep 1129)

The Dan Bongino Show

35:06 min | 1 year ago

Interview with Gregg Jarrett (Ep 1129)

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino on Gino. Dan Bongino show our interview show. I'm really really stoked about today's interview. A good friend here. He's a good friend. Greg Jarrett Eric from Fox News. Many of you have seen on Hannity. You probably read his first book which was a huge hit. The Russia folks. We're GONNA be talking about his second book the Follow Up to that witch-hunt folks are record. The intro is when they're over because I wanted I've already done the interview. I want to tell you it's in this. It's going to blow you away. There's so many so much much great information. Here's so many nuggets. The all of the things that went on behind the scenes would Rosenstein and Muller and president. Trump's lawyer Greg Jarrett has unique insight. Stay and we're going to get right to with today's show is brought to you. By the trump make America. Great Again Committee. 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Trump twenty four to eight eight zero two due to this was paid for by the trump make America great again committee a joint fundraising committee authorized by and composed of Donald J trump for President Inc and the Republican National National Committee that is dedicated to making America. Great Again Ladies and gentlemen without further ado one of my favorite interviews us for Fox News contributor the author of which. I'm Greg Jarrett all right. I'm really excited to have this guest a guy who's probably forgotten more about spy gate the Russia hoax the witch hunt that most of us even know a Gregg Jarrett Gregg. Welcome to the Dan. Bongino show I really appreciate you being here today Dan. It's my pleasure to be with you. Thanks for having me. Well Greg Your first book. The Russia hoax was a monster hit one of the biggest books of the year. It's a manifesto on dismantling everything that happened in the spy gate case I loved it. You have now written a follow up which I have right here here. Check it out folks witch hunt by Greg. Jarrett another adjust. Knock him out of the park book. This just lays it out. It is the Bible of the Muller Disaster Astor. I want to get to the book Greg. I just had a couple of questions for you before we started because my listeners. They really love your coverage on this. You have been one of the key guys in dismantling canceling what I believe. And I'm sure you agree. The biggest political scandal in modern hives. So we're here you when I've covered this. We know what happened. We have this. I report coming out on Monday. And I'm sure you saw some of the New York Times piece where it seems like they're trying to take the edge off this greg but what are the things in the time story I found found interesting is. They're trying to claim again again. What your first book? The Russia hopes completely dismantles that this thing was adequate adequately predicated. Now I know you hit on witch hunt this well this. FBI case there is nothing. Greg there was nothing there. This was predicated on nonsense. Am I wrong. You're absolutely right and in fact as I pointed my book Jeans Comey in private testimony. Admitted that they had no credible bull evidence when they launched the formal investigation July thirty first of two thousand sixteen against Donald Trump and that was corroborated by Andrew McCabe as well as Lisa page in their private testimony. You know under the FBI DOJ regulations. You have to have two things. A reasonable reasonable basis to believe that a crime was committed and second specific articulate facts in support of that crime. They had neither. What did they have? They had a a dossier that was unverified. So that's not enough. They had popadopoulos. who heard a rumor that Russia had Clinton Clinton emails? Well it's not crime to hear a rumor so neither of the products for a formal investigation. Were met so it'll be interesting between you. See what Horowitz has to say about that but there's also reporting by the Washington Post that the Attorney General Bill Bar doesn't I believe there was a sufficient product to launch the investigation. Now Greg I know again I'll show it again new book which Terrific Book folks can't recommend it highly enough by Greg Greg. Jarrett see the cover right there. I know a portion of your book. You go into a theory. I've had as well which I don't believe the theory any more. I believe the evidence is overwhelming. You go go into your book. How knows almost immediately that this case is garbage you actually give specific dates and you go over it and pretty deep detail? How Muller how to know Oh? This case was garbage and at one point. You say that John Dowd. The president's attorney at the time no longer but the president's attorney at the time the legal team was starting to question. You Know Muller did he have a grasp of what was going on that. This may have been driven completely by Weisman explained. How that when your book how you go into that well? Within months of the appointment muller knew there was no Russian collusion conspiracy. There was a pivotal meeting March. Fifth two thousand eighteen. That's a year but for the Miller report comes out. The meeting was with trump's lawyers and in the meeting Muller admits there's no collusion evidence silence but he refuses to drop the case he wants to question trump under oath about obstruction which had no application under the law. AW SO MULLER THREATENS TO GO to court in this shouting match ensues in which trump's lawyer John Dowd gets up out of his chair pounds his his fist on a table gets in the face of Bob Muller and yells. You've got nothing go ahead. I can't wait for you to try. You've got no leg to stand standoff. It was quite a scene And I- recounted all in my book but at that moment trump lawyers began to realize is that there was something wrong with Bob Muller. They were disturbed by his mental state. long before he testified in July of this year during during meetings he seemed lost and confused. Disoriented didn't understand basic questions they said or or fundamental law he was nothing in their judgment but a figurehead and it was the highly partisan pro. Hillary Clinton Andrew Weisman who was really running the show behind the scenes and refusing to give up on what had clearly become a hoax in a witch hunt. Eventually you know like the wizard of Oz. Muller was exposed during the hearing in front of Jerry Nadler and his judiciary committee. He he was not what his vaunted reputation promised promised. Well the details in your book which onto riveting about that meeting there were details. I hadn't heard before candidly I'd love to get your take on this. I agree with you. This was obviously a run by Weisman and Greg as you and I both know Weisman had every interest in the world. Because he's already a tainted figure upon appointment Weisman has every reason in the world to make this thing. Go Away for the Justice Department to keep extended heat on Donald Trump because Weisman knows in twenty sixteen in the political providence of the dossier. He's briefed in on it. So I agree with you wholeheartedly. That weisman knows along with Mahler. This is all all a big hoax. A witch on your book is aptly titled and they're keeping this going to keep the attention on Donald trump with the hope. They'll find something my aunt. There's something there already think I'm off basic. They'll dig something up eventually. An obstruction was there. They're kind of like they're they're backstop their strike after strike one. Yeah you're absolutely right In the summer of two thousand sixteen before the election Right after Peter Struck signed the papers to investigate trump on July thirty first two thousand sixteen Bruce or whose wife was working on the Dossiers Department of Justice number four official. He meets Not Chest with Peter Struck and FBI officials. He also meets with a group of lawyers. At the Department of Justice including Andrew Andrew Weissmann and he gives them the contents of the dossier and warns Weisman. That did this thing is incredibly dubious. You can't rely on it you gotTA check it out the FBI. I'll have to try to verify this thing. So weisman was in on it really on before the election. He should have recused himself from the Muller probe and had nothing to do with it. He should also disqualified himself off because he was an ardent anti-trump or in pro. Hillary Clinton advocate. You know he was there. The night of what was supposed to be Clinton's lunging victory party that turned into more of a of a funeral. Mass you know so. So weisman was the absolute wrong. Got To pick for Muller's investigation but it was worse than that because Muller gave Weisman Carte Blanche to pick the staff asu naturally he stacked the deck. Let me ask you this great because your book goes into an angle. My two books I've not I didn't stay away from but I I had sources on different sources. Were really locked in on kind of the behind the scenes mechanics and one of the things you nail in the book. Is this Rosenstein Stein motivation. Now I WANNA throw a couple of things out there just kind of moving moving from Weizmann of this because they're related. There's some theories out there by some that Rosenstein was a good guy title White Knight. And this I don't believe any of that. I agree with you and in the book you mentioned that the appointment of Muller is an active almost vengeance by Rosenstein Stein here and I only bring that up get your take on that how you write it up in the book in a moment but I only bring it up because the appointment of Weisman makes no sense your your great legal mind. I'm with you on panels a lot. What kind of a of a sound lawyer like Bob Muller Former Prosecutor and head of the FBI a points a guy like Weisman with known conflicts? Do you think Rosenstein who clearly appoint smaller in an active vengeance to get back at trump for this but you think excuse me Rosenstein Stein had a role in the appointment of Weisman to knowing weisman would do what he did to kind of target trump later. Oh absolutely. They're all thickest thieves you know they'd all work together Komi and Muller you know we're BFF Rosenstein had worked with them. Weisman had worked with them. You know it was actually leave very close. Knit Ball FBI IN D. O.. J. So you know Rosenstein Points Muller who first thing he does is hall in Weisman and of course James Comey was involved in the machinations of Muller by you know leak stealing government documents or presidential memos leaking them To the media to trigger the appointment but the the most insidious part of it is that Rosenstein appointed Muller in an act of pure vengeance against trump. Not because the evidence into the law merited a special counsel because it didn't go me admitted they had no evidence at that point but Wildenstein had authored. The memory volunteered to write the memo recommending. The firing of Komi he had to the walls were closing in on Comey. So Rosenstein Steinfeldt well. I'll be a hero because everything he does. Is You know. Out of self interest in self-preservation he expected he would be lauded For writing the memo instead the opposite happened he was harshly criticized by Democrats for engineering the firing of Comey so Rosenstein just gets pointing mad. And I recount the meetings between him and and McCabe in which wasn't Stein's fuming over or at any blames trump for his woes so he retaliates against trump by naming a special counsel to investigate the president and on the day of the announcement went confronted over his abusive power ignoring regulations. Rosenstein literally cowers hours behind his desk and bloggers. Am I gonNA get fired. In the meantime Komi would stole in the government documents leaked into the media media. Gloated about at all. And we're talking to Greg. Jarrett here author the great new book again. which on terrific highly recommended folks? Please go pick it up so greg you know Rosenstein obviously is not a portrait and courage in this and again. I've always been baffled by and I respect. I know a lot of different people have different opinions on this case. I'm not trying to insult anybody but I follow the case pretty cozy and yeah for some reason. Some people believe he was behind the scenes trying to help trump. I see no evidence of that based on what you just said and a follow up on that what do you think was the genesis of these expanded scope. Memos I mean we know is initial scope memo. We've seen the declassified portions the mother Sculpture Muller's investigation. Obviously but we have the August second expansion. Do you think this and for the audience. If you don't know what I'm talking about the Rosenstein Basically Charges Muller with investigate this this and this this in what's called the scope memo and he goes back to the table a couple times and expands his portfolio of things. We should be looking at. What do you think's behind that? Is it as simple. Muller wasn't finding anything and he kept giving them more power in the Vale the hope that they dig up something trump eventually yes. I think that's true. I think think he kept Expanding it With an additional scope memo that was hidden from the public For for the reason you stay but also because he realized that the original memo authorizing the appointment of Bob Muller was legally insufficient under the Department of Justice Regulations. You have to state a crime. No crime has stated if you look at the Original memo so we tried to Cya. Hey Belatedly By writing and additional memo that you know goes out of its way to identify a potential crime and and you know it was upon that basis that he went after a Paul manafort not for collusion You know but for for tax evasion and other financial improprieties Friday's utterly unrelated to Donald Trump or his campaign. The interestingly enough manafort a similar case had been closed by the FBI earlier. And listen. As I said my books books do I'm not I don't know Manafort. I've never met him. I have no relationship with a man whatsoever. I'm not a fan or a non fan. I'm agnostic on him. I'm just saying I have little doubt. manafort would be a free man that if he hadn't worked for Donald Trump. I mean it just seems bizarre. All the attention paid to this guy for things like was it. Nine fifty one violations and potential angel fairest stuff. It just seems incredible. I want to get to a couple things. Your book just eviscerates the media and I want to get to that in a minute. It really does a great job laying out how the media were really malfeasance than it wasn't misfeasance. It was active mouse. But before he gets that I wanted to go back to where we were in the beginning. I forgot a question we talked. We were on a great track. Thank you so you brought up something. I think a key point right now. You and I've been astute observers this case that bar bill bar. The Attorney General Right now disagrees with the leaks and again these are leaks. We don't know we haven't seen it yet by the time this interview wears we'll have a little bit more information. Maybe we'll have to interview to about the book but the billboard part disagrees that apparently the case was wasn't predicate in other words the FBI opened investigation would fault the information. I have a theory I was. I've been dying to get your take on that. The reason bar may know that that the FBI case was based on faulty. Intel but Horowitz. The inspector general may not is because Horowitz. He's not a US attorney. He's an investigator. He doesn't have subpoena power and he's the inspector general for the DOJ not the Intel community. I ever theory. Greg did Brendan in and and the Intel folks were the ones who kind of pushed through Harry Reid and their sources the FBI to open this case and that Barr sees that big league menagerie that bigger picture about how the FBI and not that they were fooled. I think you and I both know the. FBI played along after a while. But they were kind of duped into opening this case up in the beginning by faulty Intel. The what do you think of that. One hundred percent agree with that I write about it in my book. I recall John. Brennan the CIA director under Obama the instigator of the Russia hoax while James Clapper the director of national intelligence to his buddy was the prodigious leaker And you're right it we you know. The whole thing was sort of a setup Brennan goes to then majority leader In in the Senate Harry Reid and and you know they concoct a scheme So you you know read You know we've got this dossier but the media doesn't know it. So what I want you to do is to write a letter. Tacoma Komi demanding an investigation. Even though Comey's already opened the investigation with the media doesn't know that and then leaked the letter to the media and the one with their hair. You're on fire Talking about this investigation of trump Skiing only worked in a minor way. A couple of news organizations picked picked up on it so he did it again. Like a month later Right before the election and again nobody in the media you know really went crazy easy with a couple of news organizations. That's when the collusion term was I used And the media didn't grab onto would largely because they assume trump wasn't gonNA win it. Hillary Clinton was going to win. So what you know. What's the big deal? Why Report on this? It was only after trump trump won unexpectedly to the shock And chagrin of the media that they then began to embrace this full throated fallacy of trump Russia collusion. And then of course call me clapper and Brennan Scheme to leaked dossier to you buzzfeed and CNN of course clapper now you know works for CNN You know there were so many schemes. It's really hard to keep track of it. Which is why am I book at the end? I put in a time line as well as a cast of characters so people can flip back and take a look into that happened then. That's what this guy did and so forth. That's a great idea. Reads kind of like a police file. That's a terrific idea. Let me ask you this Brennan and I. I don't think Brennan Coma Friends with this. Now we know clapper in coma your buddies they go back. They love each other these two that we can we agree. Hey there like a big Mac and fries but but Brennan and and call me big Mac and the whopper these to our competitors and the reason I say say that his Bredon has been insisting in public media appearances for the past two and a half plus years now greg that he did not see the dossier until December of two thousand sixteen gene. Now you and I both know that's categorically false. You just laid out how Brennan briefs Harry Reid Harry Reid August of two thousand sixteen obviously before December where Brennan says he sees the dossier. He breached him in August. And Harry. Reid writes this letter to the FBI with information in the letter. That was only in the dossier so I guess my question here is. Are these two about to throw each other under the bus. I mean Komi could turn around and say hey listen you guys duped us into opening this dopey investigation we. I'm not suggesting this. I'm just saying this may be as defense we did it. Brennan told us this information he had was terrific. It was verified it. It wasn't we went out. We tried to verify it and my bad so sad we turned out. The information was false whereas Brennan can turn around and say hey. Listen I'm not an investigator investigate or I'm an Intel guy. No law enforcement powers. I did what I was supposed to do. I got this information and pass it off to call me. It's not my fault. They screwed up the investigate. You see that friction coming ahead. Oh I do and it's already happened to some extent. You know when rats get trapped in a cage the beginning knaw knaw at each other. And that's what Clapper and Brennan and comb. You're all doing even Komen McCabe you know pointing the fingers of Bland. They did it With the intelligence community assessment report Clapper was blaming Brennan. For Phony Information Information Brennan was cleaning. Clap for for the same thing Komi is gone after McCabe for Lime McKay said no you knew about the information nation that I lied about So it's not a lie so you know all of the rats are turning on each other and nine and I think it'll happen even more so after the inspector general report comes out and certainly after. Durham concludes his criminal investigation. We're talking to Greg Jarrett again. Author terrific new book which on check it out folks Amazon Barnes and noble bookstores near you. Please pick it up. It's a great book Greg. I get this question a lot a lot of people when I go out book. Signings things in public appearances. They'll say well. What do you think? Do you think anybody's GonNa wind up in handcuffs or bracelets here any they're going to be any law enforcement action against the perpetrators of this massive political spying scandal. Your thoughts on that. Well we've already had four criminal referrals. one against benched Komi for stealing and leaking the presidential memos which the DOJ declined to act on. That's a disappointment a criminal referral against Andrew McCabe. WHO's deputy director and briefly acting director of the FBI for line? Not just once but four times that still pending there was another case against an unidentified Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI will eventually find out who who it is. A criminal referral against him not acted on And now we have the latest Referral by Horowitz the Inspector General against an FBI lawyer whose primary in the trump Russia investigation Who you know? It's unclear if he was if he quit under pressure. Pressure was fired. Shown the door But he allegedly doctored Some of the emails that were used in and support to obtain a Feis warrant to spy on the trump campaign And so that is still pending as well. Should there be more absolutely we. Will there be more wait and see. Yeah I kind of take the same cautious approach on that that you do a couple more questions. I know you're busy. Is He. Talking to Greg Jarrett author of the Great New Book which police pick it up the White House involvement in this. I think it's implausible as a former federal investigator that the White House House from the top down was unaware completely of what was going on but the evidence is overwhelming. Whether it's the Peter Stroke tax the White House wants to know what we're doing You know now the White House running this post wants to know everything. We're doing an acronym for President United States of course but there's others I mean there's John Brennan testifying up on Capitol Hill saying that he's giving this statement in conjunction with the White House. There's an Andy. McCabe Lisa page email exchange. Where they're talking about the number two with the CIA David Cohen and they say listen some? We're going over the White House to brief on this. We need to speak with one voice. The evidence is overwhelming. But there's one more piece. I just uncovered. Recently it was. It's an older piece by Lee Smith. Who's done great great work this when he was writing a tablet meg and he writes about this June? Twenty Third Twenty Two Thousand Sixteen envelope that arrives at the White House and in this envelope. It's believed by many was the dossier it's apparently says for Obama's is only and maybe two or three more principles but that's it and apparently Brennan's involved volved in this and again lease been kind of wired from the start so to sum all that up I mean is it in any way plausible at this point. That Obama did not know what was going on with the spying scandal on the trump team he had to have known because it was a counterintelligence investigation. In truth it was a secret criminal investigation of trump masquerading as a counterintelligence pro but because they named it a counter intel pro. It has to have the president's approval. Why because 'cause counterintelligence probes or for the benefit of the United States the information goes directly to him about foreign activities It's very different than a criminal investigation. And you're right. There is some pretty strong circumstantial evidence not the least of which is a text message from Lisa page to Peter Struck the White House. Wants to know everything we're doing on this and this was you know the probe of trump and it was the only thing that pages truck we're working on at the time they sent the text message Wjr and of course remember that Brennan was a briefing trump about everything On an almost daily basis. I mean mattis jobs. CIA Director Debrief P brief the president almost every day. You either do it in a memo. You do it in person in in the log to the White House show. Brennan was there constantly gently. So of course Obama not only knew about it but either expressly or tacitly approved What was going on? I mean think about this. The United States spying and investigating a president presidential candidate from the opposing party. Never in the history of the United States is something that agreed to stay in place and as you know. I interviewed trump for my book A- and you know is he said. This should never happen to a presidential candidate. It should never happen to another president in the United States. I agree met a libertarian. Streak for a long time. I was against the Patriot. Act when it was George W Bush proposed it and as a former federal federal agent. This really disturbs me the soul. It's a terrible case. Let me ask you about this. The official FBI story about the genesis of this case. I think is nonsense. Probably I said this tip from Alexander. Downer story is just absurd it seems utterly outrageous. Is that just a cover story. I mean I I believe as we kind of got got to in the question prior to the last one that this was obviously a tip from brandon at the CIA. That went awry. And the whole Alexander Downer this Australian diplomat who met with Popadopoulos Dopoulos and this drunken store which is total garbage. I just believe that was kind of an ex post facto cover story. What are your thoughts on that? I agree and I write that it is in my book. Look it makes no sense First of all sequentially On the day that Comey student in front of cameras and cleared Hillary Clinton his FBI. I was meeting for the first time With Christopher Steele armed with his dossier it's July fifth two thousand and Sixteen and so on the very day that Comey's clearing Clinton The investigation of trump begins in earnest when steel hands the dossier over to his FBI handler the handler. Says my God. I've gotta were LERT headquarters immediately There was an surgency to it and of course It was was given to the FBI on that very day and then later Within in a ten day period of time or two weeks disseminated all the way through to The White House I suspect So this whole Popadopoulos coolest bar talk. is utter nonsense. It was pedal to the New York Times probably by somebody in the FBI To to cover the real reason for the investigation which was the phony dossier pay for by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee it because it makes no sense first of all you know hearing a rumor that Russians have Hillary Clinton's emails. So what I mean. That's crime hearing a rumor a basis. That crime has been committed. Hearing a rumor is not a crime it makes no sense. Maybe you would launch an investigation of Russia to see if it's true but you don't investigate Junior unpaid hated adviser. who here's the room? You don't investigate his campaign presidential candidate over that that never it's totally unreasonable. Unreasonable and illogical but of course the New York Times Gobble Book and the media should have done their jobs on that obviously they abandoned any any journalistic standards are integrity at all your book which on eviscerates at my final question for you. This is another big topic with my audience. Obviously the dossier starts. FBI The investigation. Obviously Popadopoulos at this point. That story is just nonsense. Do you believe Steele wrote the dossier I don't I think mostly the dossier. Hey based on the Wall Street Journal Work of Glenn Simpson Back in two thousand seven I believe based on potentially some of the work of helper and how cited cited sources off and others remember steel at one point tells the State Department his sources are this Guy Trubnikov the former head rush intel. But nick off has a relationship with how per we don't know much about his relationship with steel so it appears the actual steele dossier that steel himself might be the fall guy on this S. and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. He may have had some input to it but I don't think it was all him. Well I think you're right and we may find out more about that in horror pitches report by the way I think Horowitz is probably bought into the whole popadopoulos thing is the trigger for the Best Gatien. which is it scares? There's me but but you know I think that The dossier was a collection of a great many things. And you wrote terrifically Klay about it in your book and hats off to you for really digging into that in revealing some amazing information but you know first of of all. There was Russian disinformation And they had to be laughing. Over the Kremlin is is Dan. He'll knuckleheads right. You know the thing about the timing of this whole thing within a course of being within two two weeks of being hired steel comes up with the first memo in his dossier that's impossible. Read the first memo the information in it. You can't get get that kind of information without working. You know on the ground human sources for months and yet like magic. He conjures it up out of thin air in the course of a couple of weeks so he had to be fed. A bunch of disinformation By people people and he either knew was disinformation or He's the most you know Gullible Inspector or Oh spy inspector clues oh You know and I think Glenn Simpson contributed to. Because you and I've talked about before. Read read some of Glen Simpson's old columns bearing a striking resemblance to the gay. It's unbelie Christopher Steele was a convenient face for it because as you documented your books he had worked with the FBI before it had some credible work history they could sell to judge. Look this documented minute source so I agree with you. I think your announced this is great. We've been talking to Greg. Jarrett author really a wonderful. Can't recommend it highly enough book. Check it out right here folks witch-hunt look at that a lot of material in here worth your time. Check out his first book as well. One of the biggest selling books the last year the Russia Hoax Greg. You a been invaluable on this. My audience loves. Do you want Fox. They love your books. I really appreciate your time. I hope to talk to you again soon. Maybe if you do third book who knows we'll have you back. Thanks Dan thank you. I enjoy working keenum mentally with you. You're one of the smartest guys I know. And your books have been absolutely terrific and a great help to me as well. So thank you for having me on to talk about it. You got it buddy take care. We'll talk soon. Take it easy. BYE-BYE I hope you like that interview I know I did. I had a blast as you know. I've written two books myself on this topic. This spy gates scandal is the biggest political scandal of our time and few people know more about it than Greg Jarrett. He's a terrific legal. Mind really hope you enjoyed that folks. Stay tuned for more great interviews news coming up. We have canvas owens. 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Shady Schiffs Show Trial is Collapsing (Ep 1108)

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Shady Schiffs Show Trial is Collapsing (Ep 1108)

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino Casino. This is the same. Bs over and over and over again. You know I heard limbaugh yesterday rush limbaugh. The clip was played on the Hannity. Show this is the Cavanaugh Supreme Court hearing over again this impeachment forest. It's the exact same thing trot out witness after witness saying the same debunked discredited conspiracy. I see theories like they did against cavenaugh. Pretend you have new information. What an absolute farce? I've got a ton of information for you today about that and exciting announcement. I WanNa make on the show one of to this week and a whole lot more. Don't go anywhere. Welcome to the Dan. Bongino show producer. Joseph Armacost. How are you today find Mr Bongino doing well? Good good to be here as always and we do. We have some surprises for. y'All talking about in kind of heads so don't go anywhere. Let's get right to it. 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I'm always lost when I when when Joe Give Joe at Joe's not here I'm lost without his commentary but without the ballot doesn't found me where where I need to go. I have to ring my bell. They can dig like Apollo in rocky doing did all right. So limbaugh had some great commentary yesterday. Hat tip to to him about how this impeachment farce fiasco lie hoax hoax number three remember hoax number three hoax number one collusion hoax number. Two Muller was investigating a crime. He he wasn't he was covering up. A crime by the Democrats third hoax is going to be the impeachment Ukraine deal. That didn't happen. You're all familiar with folks like the bread. Cavanaugh Supreme Court hearings series where they try to. One debunk discredited witness. After another out in front of the nation to tell you Brett cavenaugh with some kind of serial rapist snare which was utterly absurd and ridiculous. Limbaugh made the comment. That is this impeachment. Farce reminds him of that and I thought it was brilliant. He's is absolutely correct. Folks this is going to be a basically broken record. Every day of people coming out in front of these committees eighty says. He's impeachment hearings start tomorrow and Wednesday saying that they heard from someone who heard from someone who heard from someone else that there may have been this illicit deal. We have the transcript of the phone call between President trump in Ukrainian prime minister where this so called illicit deal never happen. The rest arrested judge. Janine said this weekend on the show with me when I was doing. My interview is white noise. It's all noise it is noise. It doesn't matter we have the transcript now again I want to set up for you. What the because the media by the way? This is going to be a devastating show for the media devastating. Wait to get to the end. The Bevan Matt Bevin Kentucky they. I've got some. Don't go anywhere this show is gonNA be nuclear for the media. The Media Joe is in on on this just like they were in the cabinet. Deal networks airing that interview with that lady. We think he's fight the punch. We think he's what are you talking about. Just made that up. The media's in on this there was testimony yesterday from another insider in this whole. NFC operation the National Security Council operation to take down trump. Because that's what it is name Laura Cooper. She gave some testimony about the deal in the phone. Call that it never happened because we have the transcript. And here's how. CNN frame did again in apocalyptic terms check this out transcripts from three more witnesses just best Within the last hour or so have been released including the first witness from the Pentagon Laura Cooper testify that the Pentagon's position was that money to Ukraine should good flow inappropriate or authorized by the House and the Senate signed into law by the president but she was told all of a sudden in late August. That Ukraine might have to commit into investigating the president investigating on the president's behalf in order to get that money. So what's your reaction to that. And I I read as quickly as I could Some of the the Synopsis of Her testimony. And what's damning about it is It says that the president she testifies that the president directed through the Office Office of Management and budget the withholding of the three hundred ninety one million dollars worth of military aid to Ukraine. Aw Oh here we go again joe witness number six thousand seven hundred and twenty-two suggesting that the transcript we we have a call where they're elicit we're holding up money to Ukraine if you don't give us information on Biden information isn't there okay. It's not there there is no deal in the transcript but again it doesn't matter to CNN. This is not a news if you think this is a news network. I genuinely feel sorry for you. Because you're living a life that's a lie you're being propagandize propagandize. Gasoline lied to every day. And you're under the fake you're under the guise of your fooling yourself that you're listening to actual facts data points it's a new so CNN's perspective Wolf Blitzer. Their perspective is that this is devastating. Because it's another witness Suggesting a deal. That was never a deal. That's not in the transcript exists. So what if the witness Laura Cooper from the Pentagon actually say well again unlike. CNN which we're this is an opinion show that ironically does more news and CNN. We're GONNA show you the actual transcript of what Laura Cooper set supposedly. Let's see she has evidence of this deal. Quid pro quo quid pro nil. Thank you to everyone who sent me the Latin for nothing. Now I guess. The root of nihilistic a quid pro WPRO near here is take away number. One from Laura Cooper's testimony again we're actually producing the transcript. The real transcript. So she's question Miss Cooper. You've never had any communications with the president about this issue. where he keep that? So the Laura Cooper has direct knowledge here of this deal. CNN is like they're sold on it so they ask her if you ever communicated with the President about this. No I've never ever had any communications with the president period. What about acting chief-of-staff Mick? Mulvaney no sir. All righty so you know about a deal. The president made have you had any communication with the president of the deal you heard about third and fourth in. No Oh none well. What about the cheapest step no not with him either? Okay that's That's some opening shelvin. Nice work this okay. Here's testimony immonen takeaway members to better. So she's never talked to the president or the chief of staff about this at all but she sure they ask her. Did you get any readout at any point of what happened on the on the on the July twenty fifth call. I never got a readout. I don't think I know anyone dod. You gotta read out on the call. Okay okay hold on. So you're telling me you haven't even seen the transcript but you already know about a deal in the transcript that you haven't seen they go on. They say okay so the first time you learned about at the developments on that call was when it became public in September. Yes that's correct when it was released to the public. That was the first time I had seen that content. This gets. It's better. Have you seen the July twenty fifth transcripts involving president trump or president Celeski. I saw that when they were publicly. Released in other words perks folks. Do you have as as much information as Laura Cooper. Does they asked me again. They say okay. Do you now have any understanding of what the president's concerns were with regard to corruption on July twenty six the day after his 'cause Alinsky I think this is great this is classic. I think I have the same interpretation of anyone reading it for the first time time. I don't have any direct knowledge beyond what's actually in that. Transcript and what he states himself next question. Why are are you here? We go to the cricket plea. Let's go does it. Cricket Man Dave Oh Gosh So. She's never spoken with the president. Well he's never even spoke with the chief of staff. She has no direct knowledge of the transcript. She had never seen the transcript until you all at home had seen it was released to the public. We now have the transcript. And what see suggesting is in the transcript. Isn't there you're right. CNN This is an open. What did your Joe is laughing before the show show Chapter Seven of the book? Got Him now. This chapter twenty you too with a we got him now manual you really. You're right folks you've got them in a quarter you've really locked up now. My client client my icy Ma is. This is unbelievable how people fall for this stupidity. This is incredible now. One More to show you how awful this witness's testimony was for the Democrats not for trump final takeaway. We're going to go through the whole thing. But she says when when asked about if she heard about the deal from Volcker and Taylor. She's I know they knew about it. Based on what obbassador Volker in an ambassador Taylor told me not that those two were the sources so again information is secondhand can hand from Taylor. Joe whose information is fourth fan so in an exponential four gets at four Dan by. I mean this is like is this. This geometric or arithmetic expansion of the hands. It's passed through before you actually got it so now again. It's such a second hand. She's hearing from Taylor who's got at four and after she. I heard it secondhand. There's more she says so she says but I don't even know what the source of that information was Congressman Zeldin asser. Do you recall the first time I'm that either of them. Talking about Taylor. Invoquer told you that there is a hold on the Ukraine Cooper. I don't recall specifically when I mean I know when I met with Volker in August on or about August twentieth. So that's a specific. I didn't talk to him. You know routinely about this throughout the summer seldom says then you stated Ambassador Volker ochre mentioned something about a statement correct. Yes but did he say anything about the time about Ukraine. Knowing there was a hold on aid he goes she goes. I don't recall if he said anything specifically about that folks again. This is all a big scam. You understand you're getting worked you BETTA BURKE DOC this is like Rupaul time you you got folks. You're getting work you're being treated like total idiots as if you can't read the transcripts in front of your very. He is in candidly. CNN is expecting you not to read them and CNN is expecting people like me not to go into the details about. What's actually the in these transcripts? Yes so just to sum up block one of the show. You have another witness who doesn't even have secondhand information she has secondhand information from someone who's got fourth hand Taylor. She's not sure. She even specifically talked about the Ukrainian aid the Ukrainians had no idea. The aid was on hold. All the Ukrainians felt no pressure over the aid. She hadn't seen the transcript this witness until you saw it in the public. She can't point to any demand for Ukrainian information based on eight and the Triscuit has no no direct knowledge of this deal at all. 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So we're going to take a hard pass on on this. We're not allowed to question anybody in the military stuff for good. I respect and honor our military personnel and always have but that has candidly very little relation. To the the fact of. What's in this transcript or not? We're talking about impeaching the president over the contents of a phone call. We've all seen where the information. You're claiming there is not there so Byron York has has a knockout piece in the show notes. By the way you really gonNA WANNA subscribe to show notes so many get to this later with an announcement we have go to Bongino DOT COM slash newsletter. The letter mentioned that again later. Subscribe to my show. I'll get these articles to you in your email box every day. This one's terrific by Byron York and it's definitely worth your time Washington examiner analysis. The Democrats have Colonel Edmund problem and it's a big one so Byron York like myself and others actually went through the transcripts grips again of what Colonel Vim the Democrats star witness suggesting again. Joe For the trump team time that deal exists between trump and the Ukrainians that is not not in any transcript and no one seems to know what the deal is except the heard it six hand. Do someone who heard at ten PM Vin. Men's their star guy because vitamin does have an impressive military career. And there's no it doesn't take away from that at all. But it doesn't impact vins recollection of what he says he knows if it's not accurate now going through the points Byron York excellent piece create. He has four points four takeaways. About why Vinson is going to pose big problems for the Democrats. That's even though they claim he's their star witness right big takeaway number one then. Men had nothing new offer except his opinion. Byron York says well vitamin seem to be an important fact witness the first who'd actually been on the call. Joe Finally Joe finally a guy who's actually heard the call on July twenty fifth right but the problem. Joe Is what the White House already released the transcript of the call and nothing been men testified to nothing is it's new. It's in the call. We have the transcript so vitamin had an opinion about the call Joe and questioned on his opinion about the call. Oh by John Ratcliffe and others. Excellent Excellent Congressman from Texas. Who's done an amazing job in both spy? Gate Miss Vin men. Alvin could admit you was that. He had policy differences with the president that he could detect. No we legality in the call the verdict ladies and gentlemen they have inman in probe. If you're joe simple question you know you're not attorney either my correct but this is going to be kind of a common sense every day man's analysis now because some lawyers there's some of the worst legal analysts ironically ever seen some of you know what I'm talking about if you're going to trial joe on on a case right a bank robbery case. Yeah and your star witness lawyer Joe in the case that you're putting on the stand to finger this guy. Joey begging donuts who robbed the bank gets up there and says Joey Peg it owns didn't rob a bank. Do you think that creates a small problem for your Joe. I I would be concerned earned Dan I would be concerned. Verdicts in Joe is very smart. Brilliant of course putting on another yes that would create a problem. If you're star witness nece when question has no new facts number one and the facts he does add to. The case are not facts but his opinions and even his opinion is that the president broke no laws in this call. Kind of a big deal when you're teaching him. That's just a crime but a high crime or misdemeanor high crimes and misdemeanors try treason or bribery. Three and your star witness can point to none of that. Did he commit a crime. No but we're impeaching him for a crime. I don't think he committed one now. Vigne one on and on about how he disagreed with the president's policy great. Thank you for your service Sir. I mean when you're done with the military and you're done stomach service to the country. I mean this go run for office like I did. It's really hard. We lost. We knocked on tens of thousands of doors ores. We sat there at Strawberry Festival shaking hands till I got arthritis in my thoughts right Joe. That's how I met producer Joe. It's really really hard but Joe. That's how people change political policy. They run for politics. Wchs correct in you are a military officer. Thank you for your service in the military. Your function is to protect the nation which I believe early by your service. You've done thank you. You are not a politician. If you don't like the policy and you can point to no legal eagle issue with the call then run for office man maybe the public alike you maybe they won't. Maybe you win. You can impact policy all you want but I'll take a hard pass on colonel vitamin dictating. What our policy to Ukraine is? I'll stick with the president of the United States and the Constitution. Thank you very much. I'm holding back a little bit here. Is Paul experienced before the show today. take away number two the Byron York piece definitely worth your time. Oh when are we find out. Colonel Linneman the star witness withheld important information from the investigators ended his opening statement in a standard way by suggesting well. Now I'd be happy to answer your questions. Byron York says but as it turned out the answering questions cooperation did not extend the both parties. What does he mean by that? Well if you actually read the transcripts of Vince testimony you'll find out. He was very cooperative with the Democrats but when the Republicans had basic questions like who've inman may have shared some of this information with sensitive information about the president's phone call his lawyer a man named Volkov jumped right in. We're not willing to share that. Oh you're not a guy in the National Security Council a military officer who's not willing to say who he may have shared very sensitive information with yet. You WANNA use it to impeach the president. Despite the fact could the information vitamin has already stated is his opinion and information has in fact. The fact is nothing that happened was illegal. Was Vin men. What's his relationship with the whistle blower? Is there one. Did he know the whistleblower was talking. Adam Schiff folks. This is all important because I believe this is all an effort to hide the real scandal. which is the Democrats collusion with Ukraine but vitamin doesn't seem you want to talk to the Republicans will answer questions for the Democrats? His lawyer John by the way if you read the Byron York piece there's an exchange with Lee Zeldin where this lawyer cannot be more obnoxious Zeldin even says at one point. Good Republican Congressman New York. One Hey you know this is going to become public at one point in other words like this is ridiculous where you go and you're going to be embarrassed later he's like I don't care reading takeaway number Three Vin men who by the way celebrated himself at this hearing as the key Ukrainian expert. He's the Guy Joe. On Ukraine he guy The man well Byron York says they were notable gaps and vitamins knowledge quote women portrayed himself as the man into see on. NFC policy when it came the issues involving Ukraine quote from the director for Ukraine. I'm responsible for you. Create this is an actual quote. I'm the most knowledgeable. This is a real quote folks. I'm the authority for Ukraine for the National Security Council and the White House. I get a time show. There were striking gaps investments knowledge of the subject matter he seemed for instance distinctly and curious about the corruption issues in Ukraine. That touchdown Sean Joe Biden. Wow that's fascinating joe. He's the man his words he's the most knowledgeable he's in charge the quotes and he's the the author he's in charge of a charter. Cheers the authority. He's the most knowledgeable yet when they asked him about sort chef. Ski Who they're a credible corruption charges against who runs a company charisma and Natural Gas Ukraine company. Big issue internationally. That then hire Joe Abidance kid man no never heard of that one Sucks Dave machine here Davigo. I won't be as his cricket band. Dave sound issues but he didn't know much about that Joe. Well he's the Guy I he's the guy the guy he said he knows all about it except when it comes to information that reflects poorly on Democrats after he only answers questions since basically by Democrats crazy how that keeps happening. It's a pie partisan impeachment. Here yeah yeah okay sure it is. You're an idiot big time. If you believe. Leave that you have that again. If you believe that you are in your an idiot yes thank you. Ren It's Oh my gosh people getting so suckered. I can't believe this these media people fall into the trap as if on cue all right four takeaway. Listen this. This vitamin is is worked as part of the swamp. Okay Yeah let's just be honest about this. Workers has been eager to take down. Donald trump from the start as Byron in New York indicates this piece of Inman was a creature bureaucracy to soften oppose trump. Listen of a quote from talking about the layers of the swamp. How he you know? He's the Guy Interagency Cooperation and his perspective is numbing bureaucrat. He said so I hold on my level. PCC's deputy assistant director levels PCC's and my boss senior director with Assistant Secretary the deputy national security with his direct counterparts within interagency. What does that mean folks quote from York then? Men believed that the interagency has set a clear. US policy toward Ukraine. You know who sets the policy towards Ukraine Colonel Vinson President of the United States cradle the constitution. We don't care about your DC to AC director sixty two deputy assistant director of the PC I see UC enrage eighty CIC dough care. Nice thank you for your service. Great you guys are awesome. I worked in the government bureaucracy to you. You have a very important job. So did I at one point you don't dictate foreign policy. The President United States. Does you know like it asked to be removed. Go Run for office yourself by. We have this thing called elections that determine the direction of the country by the citizens of the country. It's our country. It's not yours swamp. Rats thank you. It's our country. Thank you move along. You don't like our choice for president. Go Run for President Yourself so oh frustrating man. An immediate it's all by this would be described as a coup every single day. If Obama was the president sure every day people would be outed. Whistleblowers would be out at everything you know inch. Oh yes I do. But that is trump. It's patriotic so I'll get to that in a minute to swallows today also much about but he's at Bravo Company Manufacturing Ladies and gentlemen if you're in the market for a rifle or pistol and you're not checking out bravo a company manufacturing. You're making an enormous mistake. This is a terrific company. I have two of their rifles precision. Let me again. 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I think I need to ground this a little bit because I've been getting a lot of emails else from people who were like. What's the what's going on? I don't like this whole impeachment. I'm getting confused. Ladies and gentlemen. It's the same farce the same hoax. And you have to remember as I said in his speech couple of weeks ago up in Volusia county whatever the Democrats accuse you of with their media allies because that's what they are they are doing it for a a tactical reason. It's because they're covering up the exact same thing they did themselves. The Democrats were accused. Trump of felonious loneliest in the th degree because the Democrats committed felonious mopey. You're in the teeth degree. It's a tried and true tactic of the Democrats. And why do they get away with it because the media are are Democrats there fulltime Liberal Act Journalism in the United States is dead. It's buried. I hope he takes. MSNBC The Washington Post and New York Times seriously like these are collusion. hoaxers documented liars and conspiracy theorist. I'm sorry I have to tell you that but it's true. Now what are they covering up. I I WANNA play. play this cut of swallow. Eric Swale well another just. I mean out of left field complete conspiracy theorists hoaxer. Who just self owns owns himself on twitter? All the this is the guy was going to nuke. The guy on twitter. Talking about the government is new. Sustain your clown. He ran for president. He got negative forty six percent of the vote. If it was even possible dropped out immediately be clowned himself completely. This is video audio of Eric. Swallow kind of describing what they think they have on the president again. Dan and again trying the same tried and true tactic of saying folks. No no we have evidence. They've yet to produce keep in mind just like remember the collusion cokes. Adam Schiff and swallow. We have evidence they've ever produced here he goes again with the same line of BS. Check this out. It's important that the president has due process and evidence is not not a conclusion. We have enough from the depositions that we've done to warrant bringing this forward evidence of an extortion scheme using taxpayer dollars to ask a foreign government to investigate gate the president's opponent but it's important that these witnesses raised the right hands and take questions from both Republicans and Democrats. The president is going to get that. It's important that the Republicans be be afforded the opportunity to suggest witnesses that we should call in that we determine whether that is relevant that that you know the facts are just as important as the process behind the the facts as far as what if anything goes over the anything new from these testimony source is going to be arrested what we can read these depositions already. These witnesses have been unfairly consistent and for the most part they've not been coordinating or talking to each other but again this is America and we don't just have you know railroading of justice. These these witnesses should come public and the American people should judge for themselves as well as we will as to what happened. Suck come on now. We're debt suck addict. The right yeah. Exactly Yeah Pete that dead horsemen eventually again drink some more water. Beat that dead horse. The beatings will continue until morale. Ah Bruce Folks there there is evidence. There's no evidence of a deal in transcript. We've all read. Nobody is put forth that evidence. That's the only evidence we have is six times removed hearsay from someone who heard from someone who heard from someone who presumed there was a deal. That didn't HAP. That's all there is no evidence but swells try to convince America and suckers the media again after being the number two collusion hoax or after ship. That the no this this time they really have a let me show you however and by the way that we're going to dig into this media because this is going to get really good in a second let me show you what evidence we do have this is actual evidence. Okay politico a piece. I've showed many times by Ken. Vogel keep this in mind. Ukrainian efforts to sabotage trump backfire. Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost boost Clinton Ken Vogel Davidson Political. left-wing politico which published in January of twenty seventeen and exhaustively research well sourced article indicating that the Ukrainians colluded to help Clinton and her trump we have actual evidence of that real evidence being completely ignored by the media. And the left. That doesn't they're not just ignoring this piece in political that talks about the Ukrainian collusion impact trump. I'll get to in a second even worse. It's interesting during Joe. I haven't even thought it gets better. And let's show you what else we have evidence which again swallows accusing the other side of what his party did foreign collusion now. We have evidence to the Ukrainian collusion. Here's a CNN still yet to be retracted by the way folks. We put this up many times. You older listen this episode. Six Twenty eight British intelligence pass trump associates communications education with Russians onto the US counterparts. Really U K intelligence was spying on the truck to. You're passing it onto the Obama Administration. That kinda sounds like collusion crazy. Easy isn't it But no let's keep talking about trump colluding to make a deal that no one can seem to find the deal and the transcript where they said the deal was even worse. It's not just that. The media's ignoring the overwhelming evidence of foreign collusion with the Obama Administration the Democrat Party too deeply impact trump and help Clinton now that that political article is making its way around conservative websites. I said are interested in the facts and places like Fox News. All look who creeps up again. The conspiracy theory lunatics at Buzzfeed who've been wrong on just asked about every issue on the collusion oaks. Look at this tweet Joe. How a viral article? They're talking about the political piece. Joe Not any peace on my website talking about the political piece okay. How a viral article? On facebook convinced trump's inner circle they had found their very own Ukrainian whistleblower the conspiracy theorists liberal activists at buzzfeed which are all in on the national cover up about the Democrats collusion with Ukrainians are are now trying to discredit a left-wing website political for exposing the actual collusion hoax swallow allies evidence. That's yet to appear. Just like he had evidence of collusion oaks. It's still hasn't appeared. But when actual evidence services the the full time cover up left wing conspiracy theory media this credits. The actual evidence a well resourced article this credit from left-wing wing websites. Ladies and gentlemen we are living and I got story on this coming up. You're GonNa About Matt Bevin in Kentucky Versus Stacey Gabor's in Georgia we the media is it's done journalism is dead. Bury it. It's over completely. Holy Holy done finished stick of working it folks now I just want to show you what else they're hiding. And why the second can part of that swallow interview where he says. We're going to give the president chance to defend himself. You're not Adam. Schiff thirty denied most of the witnesses. This is the only trial in the world where witnesses witnesses in defense of trump aren't allowed but yeah let's not call Soviet style it is Soviet style. It's a propaganda effort. Here's the catch. Even the witnesses. They're bringing up. Laura Cooper vitamin are all deeply deeply. I believe flawed as it relates to the case they have no knowledge vitamin says contradictory things. But here's what's crazy. They brought up Fiona Hill. Who was again supposed to be a star witness for the Democrats about the deal? No deal that. No one can seem to find in the transcript so chuck Chuck Ross. wrote a great piece will be in the show today. Bongino DOT COM. He wrote a fantastic piece. About how Fiona Hill who was supposed to be a ringer for the Democrats. Real Ringer had a bombshell. But it had nothing to do with a Democrat talking point headline line impeachment witness undercut the steele dossier in bombshell testimony. So Russell daily caller. Is this going to wait till these impeachment hearings tomorrow. You are not GonNa WanNa Miss My show. We are going to sum up everything for you. We are going to give you the takeaways. The highs the lows. This is going to be the place to be. I expect this showed explode in the next few weeks because we've got some great sources from shock. Ross's piece Fiona Hill remember. We're supposed to be a witness about the Ukrainian deal. All of a sudden had veered off into a different. Kinda testimony. Didn't work out that well. For the DEM's quote Fiona Hill who served as the White House is top advisor on Russia affairs until July. To- lawmakers automakers. She was quote shocked to find out that Christopher Steele alleged author of the hoax dossier a former. Mit Six officer was the author of the dossier. She says. That's in large part. Because when she met steel in the years leading up to is he was quote constantly trying to drum up business. It's working out great for you. Guys Democrat shift. You're really not going to that. It apart witnesses don't know anything. Everything is fifth and sixth hand. They no one can point to any demand enter transcript. You can't find a Ukrainian things they were pressured. You can't find the delay that the Ukrainians actually knew about the delay they did. They know about is largely about corruption in Ukraine which is a a good thing and then you have a guy colonel who wants to run. US foreign policy despite that not being his job at all never being elected. And then you have a witness on the hill comes is up there and says hey. Christopher Steele the author of the dossier was kind of shocked. Well that guy was trying to do is drum up. Business seems weird a little bit weird ear open by the way a lot of you notice you regulators to my show I kinda slip that in on Fox they weird a little bit. Yeah thank you for the email melt you call it that joke. Isn't it weird a little bit. Now what are they really protecting you folks as I've told you in prior shows and I'll repeat you again. Democrats are are trying to protect their collusion with Ukraine trying to protect their collusion with UK intelligence to her trump. They're trying to make all those stories go away by counter accusing trump. But what they opened on the door and yesterday's they're really in trouble with Christopher Steele. Because there's only two pathways now as I said to you before either. They're right about how Christopher Steele that Christopher Steele colluded with Russians you have that Trubnikov that Christopher Steele colluded with Russians and is information and the dossier hey was from Russians. Even though it's all false you can see Christopher Steele and his own interview notes when he was talking to the State Department and Kathleen Catholic is already indicated that his sources as you can see from this where Trubnikov Surkov quotes sources nick off Circle Treblinka former head of Russian Intel. One of their heads and Surkov is known as Putin's architect so if the keep in mind what the Democrats Democrats say no way out of this. Now either their source for the dossier wrote it himself and his sources were rushing in other words. The Democrats paid a guy I to collude with Russians. He admitted or number two which. I'm reasonably confident. It is more accurate. Still didn't write the dossier Simpson may have had a role in it. Now your someone else. I've got more on that coming into future. Eighty here this one and it still was just really a bit player in the dossier meaning. The Democrats have been lying. The whole time even Fiona Hill seem skeptical scholars. Just trying Detroit business. So your options. Are this steals telling the truth. And he colluded with Russians to hurt. Donald trump more steals lying and the Democrats. They've been calling the steele dossier. The the whole time is this. The dossier at all is written by someone else. 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We go she wanted me to make sure Bongino dot com slash newsletter and. I always forget the details. I'm like the worst promoter my own stuff ever and I'm serious. This gives me no joy in doing that at all I have six thousand different business ventures going on. It's not a money thing for me. It's actually costing me more money a lot more right now if it makes money later great. It's not it really just. We need an alternative. I'm sorry we can't have this anymore. We just can't have it so coming soon. Bongino report all right now. I said I was going to dismantle the median there nonsense today this is NPR. We are let me just show you how these left-wing media outlets are total complete fraudulent media. Forgetting journalism is dead and buried. They have zero interest in principals at all. Just give me a little background before we put these up these are going to be two tweets by NPR by the way hat tip. HASHTAG IS AT RED Steve's on twitter it's a guy named Steve Forget his last name. Sorry these Miller they have a podcast. It's it's I haven't listened to it but I'm sure it's pretty good. But he found these so it's not mine but I saw them and I'd like to put them out to. He's got a hat. Tip the right people before it gets a little background. So Matt Bevin was the governor of Kentucky He's yet to concede is losing a ridiculously tight racing. Kentucky Matt Bevin is a Republican now. Bevan's some credible evidence of some possible voter fraud. I can't say that the left wing we media when you were a republican but you know someone else on the other side of the political aisle still hasn't conceded race in Georgia is making false claims voter fraud. She has no evidence of it all and she was per trade as a hero. Like someone out of the avengers let's go to NPR. tweet number one about seven and I want you to watch the framing. Because if you don't understand that the left wing media works you'll missiles here's left-wing swing. MPR WITHOUT EVIDENCE JOE EVANS NPR NPR being an NPR claiming their news network without evidence. That's how I should preface and yeah without Evidence Governor Matt Bevin questioned the election's legitimacy and he isn't the first politician to do so election specialist. Worry that unsubstantiated intiated claims about voter fraud erode confidence in democracy. Okay before we get to the next week. So let's pretend in for a minute. NPR's principle but let's just pretend so their principles that NPR. We should not rush sweetener. tweet right Joe. Do not make unsubstantiated claims about the legitimacy of elections. It's dangerous. Don't do it without evidence. It's not the same way free. Same exact situation when it came to Stacey Abrams Liberal Democrat. Who Lost Fair and square the election in Georgia and by the way still hasn't conceded this is how they frame this doozy in a fiery speech without evidence? No don't don't just kidding. They're in a fiery speech stacey. Abrams insisted this was no normal concession. Decrying what she called deliberate and intentional. Voter voter suppression by Brian. Kemp the Republican that she believes led to this result in. The Georges Governor's Race Ladies and gentlemen. Are you fallen for this crap. You you see the framing. You see how they do this Bevan as actual evidence of potential voter fraud. I'm not suggesting it's going to overturn the results of the election. By the way. So did I in my congressional which we can see it in because we didn't have the time or the money for the lawsuit. I would say graciously by the way I know. self-praise thinks thanks but I wrote a nice letter John Delaney we even though I thought there were serious irregularities beverages actual evidence. You can't do that. We don't question elections yet when Stacey Abrams. The Democrat doesn't enough hiree speech I mean are you this is your I know. You're not being suckered by this. You get it right like how the zoar media frames this whole thing. How they frame Vin men? As a hero was speaking out against Obama. He'd be a traitor. They they called Mike. Flynn at trader. Yeah Yeah like that. Exactly like that. Laura Cooper testimony was devastating. Really she didn't know anything. I it just shows you. The testimony shouldn't even know anything. She knew she heard from a guy who heard from four other people totally. If that was against Obama Laura Cooper would be a discredited conspiracy theories right buzzfeed and alleged media by the way. CNN's bad if you're trusting buzzfeed please. Police seek a mental health. Professional out immediately buzzfeed like has been on the wrong side of nearly every single major story about trump buzzfeed this political story. It's a conspiracy. Theory it's political you imbeciles all right. I've got some important news but we're going to wrap up the show and I knew I had one more so tomorrow. There is an important case on immigration. There's always a lot going on. I try to stack is. What did you all the information you need in our way? So we're trying our best here so much going on. It's like drinking from a fire hose. There there is a very very important immigration case. Look at me being teased on Fox. Check that out very nice talks. I think Dan Bongino coming up. Tonight on Hannity Went Harada US up teasing Hannity on my show watching a tease of Hannity on the other shows there is a very important immigration case being heard in the Supreme Court it is on dock. DOC and of course. That's the deferred amnesty childhood arrivals and their parents. Basically the amnesty program by Obama. Now you may say what they had a problem with the law. No no it wasn't a law DACA and up or were not laws. were basically Barack Obama edicts. They were not loss okay. Nobody's challenging the doctor is no DACA law. There was President Obama's opinion on who we should prosecute you do not which is by the way broad-based discretion by the president. I question this from the start. The president as Chief Executive -secutive can dictate what we dedicate our assets to don't what the president should not be doing is making a crime not a crime by the differences. I use this analogy a lot. When you're a police officer you're given wide discretion? Say on traffic tickets to give a ticket or you are under no legal obligation or employment contract. Joe is a cop to ticket. Everyone you pull over you understand that right now. You've probably been probably been pulled over and AQAP probably some of them a a lot of a really nice. They say I'm GonNa give you a warning. Yeah Yeah I get worn. I got a few warnings. Maybe after you've tickets to yeah exactly I've got a few of those two but there are under no obligation to give you a ticket right. However if a police aren't they have discretion if police officer shows up at row causes I am not going to enforce? There's traffic laws at all anymore for this class of people and I'm going to give them a special lane on the highway. You'd be fired immediately. That's the difference. Obama didn't say we're not going to prosecute this case in that case in this case as the chief executive of the country law enforcement is on falls under the executive branch. It's not what he said. He said that if you came into the country illegally and meet this criteria not only. We're not going to prosecute you we're going to give you work permits to or special. Privileges totally unconstitutional. Now this case about Daca Indaba and the legality of it is now working its way to Supreme Court. Let me put up. Screen shot at number one. Because I warned you about this ladies and gentlemen a lot of trouble with John Roberts. This is going to be confusing the case by the way the Wall Street Journal it's called the court and the dreamer ponds us by their editor. But they're very very kind of to the left. The Wall Street Journal and Immigration Stuff on economics. Having said that though even they understand. There's a real problem with this case. We are going to have have a John Roberts problem here. I'm going to read. This is going to be a little complicated but I'm explaining to you. Don't worry I'M NOT GONNA leave out there in the cold quote place also cite the courts five four ruling last term in commerce versus New York Department of Commerce to argue. DHS stated reason for ascending. DACA was pretextual pay attention to that and the president was is using it as a bargaining chip to get more money for his border wall. Here's the key takeaway which I'll explain. We warn the census citizenship ruling would invite challenges to lawful abuses of executive power. And here we go. What are they saying? I always a little complicated remember. Citizenship Question President Trump wanted to include citizenship listen ship question. On the census perfectly within his executive authority to do so folks John Roberts who is not a conservative. Who has sold us out? Many Times. Justice John Roberts on the Supreme Court said in his in his swing vote ruling on this that no the president can include that question because he doesn't have the power to do it but because his reason was no good. That's not the Supreme Court's job in other words. It's Joe text for the presence so now John Robertson the president's head Okay John Roberts's Karnak from the Johnny Carson show. Gotcha and I remember this show. I know you remember this. Show along with many others on the conservative side. Who Do punditry here said? Wow now we're in a David Cross. The event horizon now now. John Roberts is not voting on if the president has the power to do something. He's voting on what he thinks. The president's motivations are how does he know one. And secondly where's that the Constitution Supreme Court you will determine if the president's it's motivations were pure or impure where's that where's that one so now in the dock ace notice what's happening here. Of course it's the left caught onto that great. Now we can get in the president's head and talk about motive in pretextual evidence. So what are they saying about the Haka. The left is suing of of course to stop president trump from throwing doc out. And they're saying it's not the power Joe. What was the real motivation in the pretext for doing it? Hey Johnny Roberts yeah you were with us before that one. Let's do it again. If you dig and now there are some other leftist groups who were saying well. The president's reason isn't good enough often. He can't do this he can't that's crazy because President Obama could that we had a second class presidency now from the journal Fay's fascinating fascinating argument here quote University of California. They're the ones suing to keep Dhaka and other plaintiffs argued that Dhaka was valid use of the enforcement discretion Granted by Congress to the president. That's Obama but then they argue that the trump administration abused its discretion by reversing the same policy. This is one of the many contradictions by the point. Is Okay so just to be clear. You're arguing on one hand that the President United States. When when it was brought Barack Obama had the full discretion to do what I told you we couldn't do but then when president trump comes in in the exact same office different person? He doesn't have the discretion question to undo what the president had the discretion to do even though he did it and had no constitutional power to do it. I don't even know the left can't even gets installed. He didn't have the discretion to do what Obama President President trump is right in two ways. 'cause the last president did something he wasn't authorized to do. This president is rightfully undoing. But even the less argument that no no no. He did up the authority to do what he shouldn't do. Because he's the president doesn't work because trump's the president now therefore he cannot do it and so guys another episode of we got him now chapters six hundred twenty two. aww Man Dude. Gosh I can't if you really if you're not watching the show I'm sorry but you're missing out on all of the key stories stories are you. Are you machinery if you're watching the news thinking you're getting the real skinny. You're not all right. I got a lot of stuff tomorrow. We'll talk about the thing. I still have this story about San Francisco and whereas horrible story in Venezuela but folks please Gino Dot com slash newsletter. 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We have part two of Project Veritas. Now, it directly implicating congresswoman Omar there is an investigation in Minnesota on going into the. Ballot. Issued that project Veritas brought to our attention yesterday. All of this happening today. On top of all of this, all the media tonight is going to be about as Donald Trump's taxes. I am going to break this down exactly what this should be about you. WanNa talk about money game on I wanNA talk about the Biden. Family Corruption or crime family even depending on how you may view it. So we'll get to all of that. You know some of the weirdest things that. That have been happening in the lead up to this debate the Biden campaign apparently so worried that old joe won't be able to go the distance and ninety minutes tonight they have tried now to have to debate rest periods I've never heard of a rest period I wouldn't mean a arrest period. Oh, I'm sorry I'm going to take after every hour of the Sean Hannity Radio Show got take a rest. I can barely get up and go to the bathroom in the middle of the show. Let's put it that way. It's rest we get in the middle of the show. We don't get rest I. GotTa take a half hour break in the middle of Hannity Tonight Right after the debate we'll take a little break. You know maybe just sit down pull out the old Joel, get a little nicotine in your system maybe drink a coke. or read ball or monster whatever you like you know whatever your drink choices what is this rest period? Over the last several weeks, we now have discovered that that Biden's campaign they wanted to breaks in tonight's debate one every thirty minutes. To break up the ninety minute commercial free program. Well that request has been denied why we've never done that before what Joe's tired needs a little hot cocoa and a nappy what is this? the mob and the media you know one of the more fascinating things to me is they can't say that Donald Trump. Broke any laws with in terms of whatever taxes paid or didn't pay. And they don't have all of the tax records. So you're getting an incomplete picture. It is amazingly similar as I pointed out yesterday that the same. New. York Times and just eight days before the second debate and twenty sixteen election cycle that they had basically written the same story about trump taxes clearly, they've got their agenda not really that much difference if you care about people's taxes and you care about. Their finances well, then I think the biggest story that should be debated tonight is you're not getting a billion until you fire the Ukraine prosecute. Why would a vice president of the United States ever want to do that? WHO's investigating my zero experience son Hunter who's being paid millions when he admittedly I'll play it later on good morning America said he had no experience and oil and gas energy or Ukraine. You're GONNA fire them. You've got six hours or you're not getting a billion dollars son of a B. They fired him. Well that's he's the vice president of the United. States. Now what did we learn? We learned that the Biden's had other financial dealings with Ukraine and Ukrainian all ARCS and the First Lady of Moscow. The the wife of the mayor of Moscow that's what they call the first lady of. Moscow. That was that was her nickname and why you're transfers, it's huge sums of money. Exchanging hands and money ties to Russian nationals, Ukraine. National. KAZIC nationals. Chinese nationals this runs why this runs deep. This is bigger than the one point five, billion that zero experience hunter got with the Bank of China which you would think might go to like, oh, maybe UBS or Deutsche Bank or Goldman Sachs or you know JP Morgan or whatever the name of the company I don't know crap about Wall Street to be honest. A lot of friends that work there they try and explain it to me on my hook. Hey can we talk football wanNA talk politics anything else besides this. All right. So they wanted that now we wanNA talk about taxes. All right. Well, let's Talk Joe. Biden I'm releasing my taxes today well, number one. The first thing you learn is a cheapskate. I mean I for all this. Now the president has been donating his entire salary, which I think is close to five hundred thousand dollars a year things four, fifty a year. But Joe Biden the headline, September twelve, two, thousand, eight, USA Today, Joe Biden and his wife gave an average of three hundred, sixty, nine dollars a year to charity in the past decade that was a point in his live I guess he wasn't thinking about running for president anymore. And you know I don't care if it's funding. Charitable. Causes Donald. Trump has a well documented history of generosity and one other thing. Now, if he broke the laws and the IRS is cutting Donald Trump at a tax rebate check and he's taken the legal deductions. Jones been in the swamp forty seven years and it was vice president for eight years. So the swamp rules that they set up that they built the laws that they pass the laws that they signed or the laws that Donald trump used. There's no allegation of impropriety except for you know these fake News, CNN, an MS DNC and New York Toilet Paper Times folks he's going to jail. No, he's not. You're not going to jail not not even being investigated except what? We WanNA see his taxes who we can. We can blood I don't think there's I. Don't think there's a billionaire in the world if you're going to look at their tax return now remember we want billionaires I never got a job from a poor person never did my whole life when I was working in a restaurant delivering newspapers you have to have some income to buy a newspaper every day right? Okay. I. Never got a job from a poor person what do We want rich people to do to build restaurants you build the restaurant I went through the whole mass yesterday by a property, ran a property, build out the property, build the bar, build the kitchen, build the tables, buy all the silverware, get the glasses. Now you gotTa hire the staff, the chef, the dishwashers, the busboys, waiters, the waitresses, the bartenders then you put the lights on then you got to buy the food then you gotTa, how much can you charge for hamburger? Until you start making a profit. So the businesses do what they take a loss. What is the loss mean? Oh, they get to lower their income tax liability as they're now trying to build a business that creates jobs for other people. That's what businesses do. Otherwise you're not gonNA have any commerce well, that's not fair. Millionaires pay. Okay. But if you don't if they don't have any incentive if they've got to lay out the money, put that restaurant, they're not building it. And pay taxes on money they're not making. They're not going to build the restaurant if they don't get the deduction. Hello. If you own a house to get mortgage deduction if you have kids get a child deduction that's the Joe in an Obama. Able that system than anything donald trump ever built that because those are the years that they're talking about. Anyway, Joe Biden on the other hand though the president donates four hundred thousand dollars a year's annual salary gives away Joe Biden well, kind of well known as somebody that's a cheapskate and you would think you know the tens of millions of dollars that zero experience hunter made over the years. You WanNa talk about taxes WanNa talk about Hunter I wanNA talk about hunter and Russian oligarchs and Ukrainian allegoric and Kazic allegoric and Chinese nationals and Russian nationals and Ukrainian nationals and I. WanNa talk about the quid pro quo and I wanNA know why a vice president could leverage a billion taxpayer dollars to fire a prosecutor that it's investigating zero experienced son. So he can go on making millions when he has no knowledge whatsoever by his own. I WanNa know how he got a billion dollar deal with the Bank of China after Joe took him on Air Force to Vice. President to China I WANNA know why you got another Half a billion dollars at one point five, billion dollars. Sorry I saw the Good Morning America interview for forty nine year. Old Man he seemed like the human being on the planet. Didn't exactly seem like the sharpest knife in the toolbox. Not Somebody I'd hired to do anything if you WANNA BE FRANK Did. You have any experience oil do experiencing gas do any experience in the energy? No. Any experience in Ukraine? No No. Why do you think you got all this money? I, don't know. I don't know dea thing baby is caused. Your father was the vice president in charge. Ukrainian policy and money's going to Ukraine. Yeah. Probably, probably that's it Ding. Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding light went on. Yeah. Let's talk about that corruption. Unbelievable Course the mob and the media what do they do? They just run defense on all of this by the way If, we're going to talk about releasing tax returns. Let's release I would like to release something called Joes, medical records. Joe Looks, week to me. He looks frail to me looks like it could use a cheeseburger or to a little bit of energy little bit of Red Bull Bit of coca-cola. Coffee. Tonight you know what? Let's release those let's release hunters tax returns. I'd rather see hunters I'm more interested in zero experience hunter. How did that don't make all those millions of dollars? How did he get all the oligarchy? I don't even know what are is for crying out loud I. Know is every time I hear Sunday about Ukraine or oligarchs hear about corruption in my head it's unbelievable anyway and then it's got Joe. Biden a cheapskate. I. Read to You September Twelfth Two Thousand Eight USA Today Joe and his wife gave a whopping three hundred, sixty, nine dollars a year to charity. Boy Now the Obama campaign they released ten years of tax returns and all you gotTa give him credit and you know. At that point community organizer whatever the Biden's reported earning three hundred nineteen thousand dollars last year according to that USA Today Article Seventy one thousand and royalties from his memoir. Oh, good grief. Put Me to sleep. The Biden's reported nine, hundred, ninety, five dollars in charitable donations last year. Unbelievable. Now, you got a tax trump's tax returns. Why are Biden Senate records still hidden from the public view by the way Tara. Reid wanted them at the time Judicial Watch filed a foia request. It's unbelievable by the way a new poll out today. At about ten percent of voters have not yet made up their minds going into tonight's debate. That's pretty interesting. Cleveland where we are today broadcasting hidden broadcast location and I'm not telling you where. We'll be doing Hannity helicopters by the way flying over everything. Now, just warning you just trying to paint the picture of Cleveland and brought probably half of them are Geraldo because this is now as new home city anyway Cleveland Mayor. Frank Jackson not enthusiastic about hosting the debate as requested support from the National Guard and Ohio highway patrol. As they are expecting possible post-debate riots. That's a little scary. Joe Biden now apparent I mean, this is another weird thing. Joe Biden apparently according to some reports I didn't even I didn't take the series I didn't even believe this is true. But is it really true that he reversed course and declined to have his ears inspected? You can't make this up. Yes. Sunshine I think you should give the traffic report since you've got the helicopter on the background I mean you know do it like it was like a real real reporter. Yeah. There's a lot of traffic. It's cloudy. It's Hazy Hot Humid in downtown Cleveland Right now. We have traffic reports over our every. Hour every half hour on the hour right here on W. www. Looks like the I four corridor is packed with cars people now trying to make their way all eighty people that will be attending. TONIGHT'S CLEVELAND IS LANA Cleveland is absolutely anyway you hazy on it's GonNa be great clouds late afternoon thunderstorms. Now, possibility we'll have the latest all coming up with our weather forecast wwe wwf dare you do your live read like that? Where's my life? 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Zena phobic hysteria and fear mongering we would have listened to you how many more Americans would have dropped dead and contracted the disease you know now we won't answer a question about. Do you support stacking the supreme? Court. Do you support ending the Electoral College? Do you support an end to the legislative filibuster? Do you agree with Nancy? We should be able to impeach the president any day of the week for any reason. And by the way, what did you know Joe what happened on July fifth meeting I'd like to know why didn't you do criminal justice reform Joe yet eight year why didn't she was after Ferguson I have to Baltimore after Eric. Gardner. Why didn't you help out historically black colleges why do you lie about going to historically black colleges and being endorsed by the N.? Double. ACP. Why do you? Why do you plagiarized Joe? Lot of questions for Jota Verizon A T and T T mobile. 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We have part two today project. Veritas James O'Keefe. We we exposed yesterday on this program they're undercover video showing ballot harvesting. My whole car is full of ballots or you get paid your money. As soon as you sign the ballot you get paid. Then now we have a on camera and it's just releasing it. It's up on project, VERITAS HANNITY DOT COM, well, a link to this, and now apparently congresswoman Omar is implicated in this on these undercover videotapes and that she part of the squad Omar the one that came up with all of this the pay for vote the community quote she is the one. Goes on says the money comes from the candidates running for office in other words to pay for the ballots buying? Over, a thousand convictions, but you're not hearing about it from anywhere else it's getting scary. By the way Minneapolis police are now investigating the ballot harvesting claims caught on undercover video. We'll get into that later in the program today you got video of all of it. I would assume the Attorney General Bill Bar will want to do it notice in every swing state. Now we see issues that are arising and Pennsylvania a judge. There has stopped the United States postal service cuts. Ahead of the two thousand election Ohio just had a ruling that requires a ballots signatures to be verified. That's been upheld by a federal judge noting that changes to procedure at this stage could be particularly damaging to the electoral process. There's a victory for Republicans as Wisconsin judge is now stopped a six day extension for counting absentee ballots after the election. And Trump's campaign now has to go into North Carolina and sue there to stop their mail in voting changes. Last minute that Democrats are putting in place once again, WanNa know why the courts matter because that's where Democrats go to hopefully find judicial activism and their allies on the bench that would be pretty much legislating new laws. That favors Democrats in these swing states a little scary the whole thing and now Byron York. Now Republicans of finally understanding that Hillary meant it when she said under no circumstances should Joe Biden concede the election and also the six hundred lawyers that are in all of these swing states that Joe Biden is bragging about Pennsylvania Republicans are now asking the Supreme Court to stop the mail voting extension New York City voters by the way there's a report out wrongly receiving Mellon ballots labeled pramilitary use I mean does any of this surprise? You doesn't surprise me at all but this project veritas now the videos. I've caught the attention of law enforcement. Let's see what happens with all of that. And you gotta give a tip of the hat. James O'Keefe will join us later in the program. Today is the Minneapolis police investigate that ballot harvesting scam. A judge is now requiring Georgia maintained paper poll books with a list of eligible voters. Texas is now. Texas appeals blocked a lower court decision allowing straight ticket voting for the twenty twenty elections. Not sure what that case is about Then we've got predictions everywhere of Bush v Gordon Nightmare post-election. Scenario Pelosi is warning Democrats of a possible stolen presidential election and climbing that Congress, and she could ultimately decide the outcome. Wow. This is getting scary and Joe Biden does want to tell us if he wants to pack the Supreme Court he won't answer that question that's distracting question. No, it's not. That's an issue in the campaign Joe Kamala Harris now supporting the stupidity. And then he won't answer the question about the abolishing the electoral college and he's not going to answer a question about pretty much anything. Interesting to see which Joe Biden shows up tonight. unbelievable time we're living in. It is. I will tell you it is scary. But what I'm reading everyday what I'm seeing every day. It is these are these are uncharted waters for this country I can tell you that and we better get this right because everything is hanging in the balance here Pelosi, urging colleagues to prepare for twenty twenty presidential election reaching Congress we must achieve that majority of delegations or keep the Republicans from doing so. Unbelievable. And and they think they're right I. Honestly, what we're learning is just so off at a so out of the realm, think of what we learned in the deep state, we learned that the dirty dossier, the Hillary bought and paid for that Christopher Steele used somebody known to the FBI to be a Russian agent we learned that just recently we learned. All. The how is it possible that they allowed a Russian agent to impact our elections and when you think it can't get worse than that. It just got worse. This letter came from the Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe just today I just got a hold of it Lindsey. Graham will join us later and talk about it. Listen to this letter listened to what this is about. In response to your request for intelligence community I, see we call it information related to the FBI's crossfire hurricane investigation. I've declassified the following now pay very close attention and you're not hearing me wrong here I'm reading verbatim in late July twenty, sixteen US intelligence agencies obtained insight that would be intelligence into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that US presidential candidate, Hillary? Clinton. Had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against US presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying. Donald. Trump to Putin and the Russians Apparent. They had and picked up this intelligence it goes on and that means to to type trump to Putin and the Russians hacking the. DNC Wow. Now, the intelligence community does not know the accuracy of the allegation the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration fabrication. Then it goes on and according to handwritten notes former CIA director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other national security officials on the intelligence including quote the alleged approval by Hillary. Clinton on. July Twenty Six twenty sixteen of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming in appearance by Russian security services. The very thing that they accused trump of. Their apparently is intelligence that shows they did. It goes on on September seventh twenty, sixteen US intelligence officials. It sounds like Brennan might not have been the awful human being I thought he was the whole time because he's telling them guys you don't WanNa put you don't WanNa use the dossier in the FIS application it's not verified, and now it says anyway US intelligence officials forwarded and investigative referral to James Comey the FBI director, and the Deputy Assistant Director of counterintelligence Peter Struck regarding quote US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning. US. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering US elections as a means the distracting the public from her use of private mail server. They knew in September they knew in July of two thousand sixteen. and. Everything that we now know that happened afterwards now begins to make sense because a lot of it didn't make sense. It's the exact opposite, and now we know that the source for the Steele Dossier Remember Hillary paid for it with funneled money through. A law firm Perkins cohee hiring fusion GPS OP research firm that hired Christopher Steele. Christopher Steele uses a guy that they've known to be a Russian source of Russian intelligence operative for ten years. The FBI knew that all the way back you know ten years prior. And they still allowed that to happen. Anyways, reference September twenty, four, twenty, twenty your letter to the committee and Attorney General Bars. Advise me the disclosure. This information will not interfere with the ongoing department of Justice Investigations, additional declassification, and public disclosure related intelligence. Wow. All happened all of it. We were more right than we ever knew. More. Right than ever. But look, that's not going to be what this debate is about tonight. I would assume that Biden now they've reset Biden's clock. So is peak cognitive. Our is nine PM. That's my guess I would assume that Joe, who's you know half the month of September is called the lid on the day at nine thirty in the morning. Okay is he going to be a part time president? So Joe is going to show up. He's going to have a minimum. He's had a lot of red bull's is my guest going to have a lot of red bull or monster rockstar whatever whatever you happen alike I drink them. All I like them all. A lot of coca-cola's today. A lot of coffee today gotta keep them awake and he's not getting this little. He's not getting his hot cocoa and Nappy, and so it's going to be might be cranky tonight who knows You know but. This is now the biggest choice elect in the biggest question is Joe's been talking for forty seven years. What is done? You know what would you have done differently uncovered with he wouldn't have put the travel ban affecting the quarantine. And he he was still holding rallies. He didn't talk about social distancing. He didn't put in place. Operation. Warp Speed Donald Trump did all of that he built out he was the one that was being praised by Gavin newsom and even at the time being praised by Governor Cuomo because without trump none of their p. p. e. would have existed. Unbelievable. Yeah. So the trump, the president absolutely I'll play ten days after the first identified case of. Corona. Yeah. He played the virus in his actions but in a scare the crap out of the American people in downplayed, that is not inconsistent by the way. In at least from my point. You know by the way, Joe He's going to support stacking the Supreme Court. Yes or not support ending the Electoral College. Yes or not support ending the legislative filibuster. Yes or no? Do you think a speaker of the house can impeach president every day of the week for any reason like Nancy Pelosi said Did you bring up the Logan Act on January fifth twenty, seventeen and Barack. Obama's Oval Office. Why didn't you do criminal justice reform in forty-seven years? Why did you not do police reform and then show colts in forty seven years after Eric Gardner Ferguson Baltimore why didn't you support historically black colleges? Why do you lie about going to one when you didn't why do you lie about saying the end the blaze EP endorsed you when they didn't want to do opportunities zones why didn't you and Barack in eight years create record low unemployment for African Americans. Hispanic Americans Asian Americans. Women in the Workplace Youth Unemployment, African American youth unemployment. Why did you do that? Dumb Iranian deal given one hundred and fifty billion to mullen ran the chant death to America why did you lie to America on Obama Biden care when we now know millions lost their doctors, millions lost their plans and we're paying on average two, hundred percent more and forty percent of the country as one exchange option. Why didn't you lift a finger? When four thousand people were murdered in Chicago while you Vice President Obama's hometown another twenty thousand shot. Why did you say police with the Enemy Joe? Why did you say you'd redirect funds away from the Police Joe why did you? You're running mate praise the L., a. p., D. One, hundred, and fifty million in cuts. Why didn't you mention the unrest in the country wants during your convention Joe. You know, why did why did your running mate raise money for anarchists to get out of jail? So they can go commit more crimes. Why did you adopt a hundred and ten page manifesto with Bernie Sanders the radical socialist? Why do you support open borders and Amnesty in the United? Sanctuary states of America and free health care for illegals. Why did you pick a running mate more to the left and? Bolshevik Bernie in the new green deal that she sponsored a Medicare for all that she sponsored. Why did you support and praise the former Klansman? Robert Byrd. Why did you partner with bird the Guy? The filibuster the Civil Rights Act was against the Voting Rights Act and you worked with him to end the integration of public schools because you don't want your kids go to public schools that were racial jungles. Joe Good grief. And what? I, mean, there's just so much material here. He's got to answer questions tonight going to be I don't know. I don't know I think it's GonNa be interesting. Going to be. Interesting. Malloy full coverage tonight right. After the debate on Hannity I'm ready. I wish I was debating I WANNA go debate. Maybe. You guys can throw an earpiece in my ear. I'm kidding I'm not believing the conspiracy theories about pieces where does it people come up with us? He did say he was GonNa get a check and then he said, no. I guess maybe that's kind of fuels the fire. All right eight hundred, nine, four, one, Sean you want to be a part of the program support for this podcast comes from beam. Oh. 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He did not have the the strength and the stamina to go out and run a regular campaign. So they've been basically running stealth hiding in the basement, and they now have put all of their efforts into preparing Joe Day in and day out for moments like tonight these three debates that they put all their eggs in the debate basket. And my guess is is that Joe is going to have a lot of red bull today, a lot of monster Rockstar, energy drinks, probably Coca Cola or two probably some coffee and he survived the primary debates and my guess is that his team has been working day and night to get him to memorize three or four points on every topic that is likely to come up during this debate. And that he has those topics studies memorized and those points memories, and then probably to attack lines per topic as well to go at Donald Trump. Anyway Newt Gingrich's with US former speaker of the House is book has been a huge bestseller as well. Mr Speaker. Glad you're with us. It's debate night in. America your thoughts are. Well I think I did a newsletter last week on you know which Joe Biden is going to show up. You Know Biden when he debated Paul Ryan in two, thousand, twelve was very impressive. and he was pretty impressive when he debated. Oh, I would say. In the spring of this year there was a general sense. It's. Done very very well towards the end of the crime recycle So that's that's one by the other Biden. Is this guy we see who comes out who can't read a teleprompter? Can't remember what he's talking about. How can say the pledge of allegiance announces that he's running for the Senate and so just a two hundred million Americans have died and you don't know quite yet. I know I forgot one have got that he what if we got that he's been in the Senate and one hundred and eighty years, but go ahead I digress. No, that's that's another great example. The only point being you know I really. I. Think what they have done is they decided this entire campaign comes down to three debates. Four if you count. Become Harris the baker vice president pence and that therefore you didn't have to go campaign he's up to take any risks what he had to wait and if he is between he and Chris. Wallison. Natural. Bias to to ask tougher questions trump any will of vitamin C. Can come out of tonight you're looking good enough. To be a serious potential president and I think that's what he's gotTa do on the other hand trump whose whose basic debate practice just just wander around the country take every possible question but people come at him all day. Long you know if trump goes in there and is aggressive and decisive and Factual My guess is my hunch is trump will win but a handsome confess I wanNA watch with great interest because I think this is a a very dynamic environment and I don't think we know enough to be sure which of these two guys is GonNa come out on top. How does Joe get away with? What is his latest strategy which is I'm not GonNa give you an answer on whether or not I'll stack or pack this Supreme Court with Moore justices or end the electoral college or court ending the legislative filibuster or agreeing with Nancy Pelosi. She can impeach the president every day of the week for any reason, ask how does Joe get away with not answering those questions but of course, of course, he does ninety three percent of the news media. Deeply, anti trump. Or? You're dead wrong. It's ninety nine percent. Okay, Ninety nine percent. So they they get up every morning and they have two jobs, attack Donald, trump, and protect joe. Biden. Is like being on a football field where every single rough is on the other team? you know and I think that's part of what comes up. I mean I. I just saw this shore today. That Biden line his senior staff people said he he's opposed to anybody who is Muslim Orthodox Jewish? Or Christian serving on the US courts because he believes that all of them are profoundly wrong and he would like to see all of them kicked off now. I I did a tweet to seven. Somebody should challenge but in fact. The states not sound in the fire this guy. I mean, this is such a bigoted anti religious caller. Don't have to put up with this stuff. And I think it's important for us to be clear Camel Harris is the most anti-catholic biggest nominated. Late. Nineteenth. Century. we just have to hold Biden accountable for who they really are they really up to, but we should not expect the media ever ever ever USA breaking news entire election. What is Joe done that you can think of he's been in the swamp forty seven years example I can't get over the fact that he barely mentioned the unrest in American cities that we've been watching all summer long. Or. That he referred to the police saying they become the enemy and reallocating funds and he's running mate his to the left Bolshevik Bernie and she cosponsored the new green deal and cosponsored Medicare for all and supported defunding the the LAPD and and she won't give an answer either about whether or not she supports stacking the Supreme Court. But what is Joe Biden forty seven years ever done to improve the lives of the American people I can't think of a thing. Probably Biden his the classics American politician. you won a Senate seat in verse small-state Nearly Point of his life service and writing back and forth an Amtrak From Wilmington He basically placated whoever was in power. So at one point, he's Co sponsoring a bill to stop forced to bussing with Jesse Helms, which I think nowadays is on infancy why itself should have knocked him out of the race, but his basic strategy has been moped Oh. Yeah, he's the guy standing. which actually was also Bill Clinton's ethnic. I'm suppose any. So that means it's really donald trump offering. Donald trump shop to bring the case. The Joe Biden tonight then is what you're saying. I think of it as as like a jury trial trump's basic assignment. Look you have. An enormous choice share. I believe in creating jobs. So eight years of Joe Biden helping. I believe in defending. Aren't that Eight years of Joe. Biden minded going to China Biden. Can't even tell you the truth about Hunter If you read the eighty five page report which I recommend to everybody does the senator released last week it's you know it's clear that Biden's just plain lying about it some. Someone's making millions and millions of dollars out of the Chinese Ukrainians and the Russians. and a little bit out of the Romanians. All this stuff's been covered up by the New York Times and the Washington Post the other. Because they are so desperate to trump from is to rip back the bandages. Let's see. The Real Joe Biden let us see the corruption, the dishonesty and. Then add with that come on. Harris is the most radical vice presidential nominee this. and make sure we understand you vote for these two. This is what you're GonNa? Get. Picture. Let's assume right and he's been practicing all summer as he calls a lid on his campaign throw in the month of September. It was nearly every other day I mean we're done. It's nine thirty in the morning and to me, they're probably have changed his clock. So he's adjusted that as his strongest cognitive our would be nine PM although they did request that they have to breaks after each half hour which I've never heard of before. I mean there's he seems weak frail and struggling cognitively A question of it a good day for Joe or not a good day for Joe I mean you just don't know. Wonder. Some somebody who I trust a lot set to be. The head, the hunch that when you start getting into. Fifty percent. Of your days. Are you know you don't doing anything literally of seven fourteen days. And somebody said to me hunch was if you've got up in the morning, you couldn't function. They just closed down. Now, the other options to say, no, they've been very clever. Nothing should these bates? He's he's on the edge of his game as I said earlier and I run a newsletter about this if. You look at what he did to Paul Ryan and Paul Mine's a very smart guy that's eight years ago. Very smart. Good. Okay. But that's eight years ago he's not the same guy. I don't disagree also. Debated March against Bernie Sanders. Very. Good debate. Some somebody says the best of with. So I think he's GonNa come out like he did in the. As. He did the joint press conference with Anderson Cooper that they call the town hall. You know I think he will come out animated I think he will feign anger. I. Think that makes them appear more energetic than a really is and and I think. He will probably have memorized as lines. Now if you're donald trump and your counterpuncher, how do you counter that? First of all, you just make fun of it, but there's a deeper point here, which is you know I'm I'm thinking confident Biden lasted for thirty minutes. I'm not at all competent last night. And I. Think if I mean my advice to the president would be you know an inch every time he lies hidden. You know every time he's confused hitting. Don't back off one inch. Trump has a great record. He's done great things. And I said this the other day very clearly in British on what? You have to assume vital just playing a lot. And therefore comes to be prepared to deal directly head on wines. Who's what Reagan did so brilliantly, Jimmy car. going. Yeah that's right and destroyed Carter and Reagan went from a very close race to Iran site in one evening. And trump's gonNA compared to say you know you're lying about the virus you're lying about your record in the Senate you're lying about your record is vice-president. Actually made me all based on lives and he's just has straight at him and then the country's gotta decide. Where do you see the race now? Especially, when you look at polls polling was atrocious in twenty sixteen where do you see this race from your perspective? Oh, I think trump wins. I think he'd probably wins by surprising margin. All of everyone in the audience a little a little secret. A poll out today, I think from from Harvard and Harris. Says that that Biden is ahead I think by four points, but among likely voters like to. Now, we have an electoral college the great shock to the Clinton people we have an Electoral College Biden is coming out of California new. York and Illinois. But US margins when she is. That means if he's only up to nationally. When you get outside those three states, he's losing everywhere and that's what happened from people. Forget trump carried forty nine states by million three, hundred, thousand votes were lost California by such a big margin. Set that. But the fact is under the Electoral College Kelly it didn't matter. You, know you add an extra. California is still the same number of Electro College votes. So I would say as of today that the. TRUMP, axes have. Pretty decent shape. But it also comes down to these debates. Can do their job. They'RE GONNA wind probably in a landslide if they can't do their job then they don't have a really tough a couple of weeks. stay right there we'll continue. Well, I, actually going to have to let EGOS SPEAK MR speaker. Well, the good news is that this debate will start in about four hours and forty minutes from now and We're in Cleveland covering the debate and we're looking forward to it and Mr Speaker This is one of three and we'll be on right after on Hannity on the Fox News Channel and certainly is going to be history in the making and probably much bigger than a super bowl audience tonight. Sir thanks for being with us. Greg, talking to you. Also have that breaking news huge news as it relates to Hillary Clinton, plotting planning and scheming, and they knew the whole time that this was her plan as relates the trump Russia collusion and they didn't stop it. Pay Its box. Here we are in the height of an election season that will determine the future of the country who are you going to listen to? Who can you trust join me in the freedom hot the one place where you know you'll get the straight story from a conservative perspective Joe. Biden somebody who's been a machine politician, the Democrat Party from Delaware for longer than I've been alive and nobody thought he was impressive. No. One thought, he had great leadership until about five minutes ago they're trying to fool you. They're trying to pull off con of fraud against America and Joe Biden is the conman cheap the biggest names and the heaviest hitters in politics trust me. So we've done a lot buck and we have some great support. Your viewpoint is very important to me very, very important niche how we got to know each other fuck sexton formerly of the CIA. Be Back on the buck sexton show iheartradio is number one for podcasts and it's easy to see why listen to the buck sexton show on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast. Suit Up. Thirty five days you are the ultimate jury we are in Cleveland for tonight's first presidential debate, Joe Biden, and Donald Trump, and it is a mere what four, well, four hours and twenty three minutes from right now now, that will be watching eight, hundred, nine, four, one Sean if you WANNA be a part of the program what have we learned in the last and we'll get to learn more this afternoon about deep state corruption abuse of power. When Lindsey Graham joins US WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? We learned that Oh that Ukraine and Joe Biden on tape saying you're not getting a billion dollars unless. You fire the prosecutor in Ukraine that is investigating my zero experience on hunter who went on Good Morning America you know play the tape the tape of him do you have any experience an oil? No any experience in gas no any experience in Ukraine no any experience energy no. Why do you think you gotTa pick why did you make all these millions of dollars? Do you think maybe because your brother Your father was in charge Ukrainian policy for the Obama Administration was the vice president yeah probably. Yeah probably that's probably why okay. Now it's bigger than that. Now it's Chinese National Kazic nationals, Russian nationals, Ukrainian nationals. Furs and millions and millions of dollars more. We already knew about the Bank of China deal no experience there either that we can find any anyway just don't start in the beginning. Let's start with Joe Bragging on tape and then zero experience hunter forty, nine year old given the worst interview an adult ever on television except for maybe Humpty. Dumpty. We're not going to give you the million dollars. They said you have no authority you're not the president the president said I should call them. I said I'm telling you not getting a billion dollars I said, you're not getting a billion I'm we'd be leaving here. I think it was what six hours. leaving. Six hours and the prosecutors not fired. You're not getting the money. Host Sean of. Fire. When he said I hope you know what you're doing. What did he think you were doing? Well, he read the press reports that I joined the board of reasonable, which was Ukrainian Natural Gas Company and there's been a lot of misinformation about me not about my dad nobody buys at but advises idea that was unqualified to be on the board what were your qualifications to be on the border breweries? I was sharing the board of Amtrak, for five years. I was chairman of the UN. Program I was a lawyer for boies Schiller, flexner one of the most prestigious law firms in the world you didn't have any extensive knowledge about natural gas or Ukraine itself though. No. But I think that I had as much knowledge as anybody else that was on the board. If not more in the list you gave me the reasons why you're on that board. You did not list the fact that you are the son of course A. Play. I think that it is impossible for me to be on any of the boards that are just mentioned without saying on the son of the vice president of the United States you're paid fifty thousand dollars a month for your position Privacy Justin one thing that I don't have to do sit here and open mic Komo no as it relates to how much I make or make did or didn't but it's all been reported if your last name wasn't Biden do think he would have been asked to be on the board of BEREA SMA. I don't know probably not I don't think that there's a lot of things that would have happened in my life that that if my last name wasn't finding now it's more extensive than anybody new far more extensive. Now, it's oligarchs the the First Lady of Moscow the wife of the mayor of Moscow we got wire transfers you know going back and forth with all of these countries all while Joe is vice pre want to talk about taxes how About, we talk about the millions that zero experience hunter made cashing in while his dad was vice president and his dad was was stopping investigations into him, and then we now find out that it's even worse than that, and we have a new article out our friend. Joel policy is with With Breitbart, he's the editor at large in house counsel for Breitbart. Dot Com. Here's a piece out today the hundred Biden's business partners invested in a failed. Business fisker automotive. Now, why does that matter? Well, the company received over five hundred, million dollars in loan guarantees from the federal government before failing Ohio, how did he get access to that? Pretty Unbelievable Gregg Jarrett is with us as well, and by the way, JOL has a new book out. It's called the Trumpian virtues, the lessons in the Legacy Donald Trump's presidency Gregg Jarrett has an incredible podcast out a Greg Jarrett dot com. How these new documents show that the Russia hoax is far worse than we ever thought. You know what these new Lindsey Graham developments today that will be learning about A. Little Bit I he's right on every level. Welcome both back to the program. Let's talk about this other money with this auto group automotive group that is more taxpayer money wasted Joe Pollick. Hi Sean Yes back in two thousand nine. There was a company called Fisher automotive that got a five, hundred, million plus loan guarantee from the Federal Government Department of Energy and Joe Biden got involved. He made sure that the money was invested in Delaware old home state. So he went around boasting that this was going to create billions and billions and billions of dollars in new jobs. That's what he told people. When he was talking about the investment in Delaware and fisker. But what happened was the company never produced cars in the United States. It produced cars in Finland. These were supposed to be electric hybrid vehicles they were produced in Finland and the company went bankrupt in two thousand thirteen. The US tax payer lost one, hundred, thirty, nine, million dollars out of that deal and Joe. Biden. Never set as much as sorry to the American taxpayer no jobs created in the United State hundred and thirty nine million dollars lost. The interesting thing is that Hunter Biden's business partners Devon. Archer Christopher Hind were investors in fisker through various funds that they control through Rosemont capital and although Hunter Biden's name is not on those funds. He was their business partner in Rosemont Seneca which Rosemont capital own half of on the Rosemont Seneca website at the time Devon Archer boasted. Of His investments in fisker and his bio was right above hundred Biden's. So this was all in the same circle and that is one of the more spectacular failures of the stimulus that Joe Biden was supposed to be overseeing. He promised billions of dollars a new jobs we've got no new jobs but hundreds of millions of dollars in losses to the American. Taxpayer Wild Hunter Biden's business partners we're investing in the company. So it's right up there with Salim Intro, and again we're on the hook for you know all of these hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. And no jobs were created and Joe Biden now wants to take the new green deal even further. You add that to the discovery number one I didn't even mention this Park Greg Jarrett that the FBI knew that Christopher Steele the source of the dirty Russian disinformation dossier they knew for a decade that this guy was connected to Russia that it was never verifiable. You'd been one of the most outspoken people on that from day one and laughed at the dirty dossier went after having. Read it a number of times and and secondly now we know that this is the hunter scandal even goes out further. They knew steel was you know th they kept going for the FIS applications then on the Joe Biden side now you got Russian oligarch cranium nationals. Chinese. Nationals, Kazic nationals you know all these wire transfers I mean on every level we're dealing with the worst corruption. Of what the country was told for. Over almost four years, the opposite was true. You know hundred Biden is spent his entire life accomplishing nothing on his own, instead leveraging his father's public position funded by taxpayers and and profiteering it smacks of influence peddling and corruption so much. So we found out of the recent center report the US government flagged the Biden deals as quote. Ten, she'll criminal activity I mean think about it hundred Biden gets a three point five million dollars wire transfer dirty money from a Russian oligarch that money derived from embezzlement fraud money laundering and human trafficking, and it's crickets from the media. They didn't report any of it. ABC NBC CBS CNN completely ignored the story MSNBC mentioned it briefly but downplayed it saying, let's move on nothing to see here. Imagine. If it was trump not biden, there'd be nonstop coverage in the media would be demanding trump's resumed nation and criminal prosecution. The outrage would be deafening but since it's Biden e here, not a word and you know the media research center just came out with their study of Network News and discovered that ninety percent of the coverage on ABC NBC CBS is negative toward trump majority of. The coverage toward Biden is positive. So it's clear that the media no longer neutral and objective they are advocates and protectors of Joe Biden. So when they bring up the issue of the president's taxes tonight I would assume that the perfect pivot is going to be how many millions tens of millions, hundreds of millions did your family make Joe, how much did they make on all of this with? Russia and nationals from China and and Ukraine. I mean Joel how much they make and at what point you know does the president turned to Joe and say Joe you're the one that's lived in the swamp of forty seven years and you're the one that is designed all these crazy tax loopholes where you can't get three accountants to agree on any person's taxes and that's for the average you know. Joe Blow that is out there busting his ass everyday never mind if you have a lot of money and a lot of complicated business deals and Joe Biden actually released some tax returns today along with Comma Harish and it looks like the Biden's game is medical records what what medicines might be on right? We don't know about that and we would like to know but he only gave one. Point five percent of his income to charity. Last year Donald Trump gave his entire salary to the government. Comma Harris gave even less. She gave one point one percent of her salary of her income to the charity last year. So if the issue is who contributes more, you know if you look at trump giving away millions, you can look at him donating his entire salary to the government. The Biden's gave a little more in two thousand, seventeen in two, thousand, eighteen a lot more in fact. But over many years, they didn't have very much at all. So the question is who's contributing more I think trump's got a very good argument there. Well, I think it's bigger than to you know how much you're actually giving because liberals will always generous with other people's money right? I mean Margaret. Thatcher, famously making that quote it. So now I guess the question is well I got I, tell you what let me take a quick break. We'll come back on the other side We also have Lindsey Graham is GonNa join US James O'Keefe. We'll be checking today his latest installment of the ballot harvesting scandal in Minnesota as we continue from Cleveland today, the site of this the first presidential debate. Just, not out Cardi being imposed the biggest hole yet and the stranglehold entertainment immediate have on the minds of black voters in this country I'm Rob Smith on the next episode of Rob Smith is problematic we're going to break down why the left uses idiots to each black America it how Candice Owens just put them all on notice that they cannot do it anymore listened to Rob Smith is problematic on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts and wherever you get your podcasts. We continue with Joe Pollick and for Breitbart and Greg Jarrett. Right. So let's look at this in the context of the tax story of the new. York Times. Joe Pollick and Greg Charity of about thirty seconds each and how the president should use this to his advantage. Tonight. Pick this up before in two, thousand, sixteen and trump said. Quite honestly that he had used depreciation and other tax laws to reduce his taxable income and those are laws that Obama Biden in many cases passed. So that's the system we have. I think you can look at the jobs he's created and the opportunities created for other people that will really be the difference between the two economic policies. Biden wants to raise taxes on other people which will hurt the economy i. think that's really what Americans. Care about what's happening going forward. That's what trump has a better argument. On the Fed is now in Atlanta predicting a thirty two percent third quarter growth and GDP Greg Jarrett which would be by far historic in proportion. Most Americans Trust Donald trump to rebuild the economy after the pandemic based on the record of building the greatest economy. In modern American history the creation of millions of jobs increased wages you know economic growth that no one ever predicted except for trump. That's what's important to Americans what the money in their wallets and I think if the president focuses directly on that you know I think he'll gain ground over Joe Biden. All Right Gregg Jarrett. Thank you don't forget as new podcast Greg Jarrett. Dot Com. Joe Pollick that Trumpian virtues, the lessons and legacy of Donald. Trump's presidency on Amazon dot COM HANNITY DOT COM. Now, today's bookstores everywhere. All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back Lindsey Graham James O'Keefe next hour on the Sean Hannity show as we continue, it is debate day debate night in America Eight, hundred, nine, four, one, Sean is our toll free number. You WanNa be a part of the program So we have this big blockbuster, which is, of course, known as Project Veritas, and they came out with these tapes yesterday, and literally what you have is video undercover video of ballot harvesting Mother Compact car is full while you get paid as soon as you you fill out the ballots they. Pay You anywhere between two and eight hundred dollars. We have new tape out today where a source as saying the congresswoman Omar came up with the paid of votes scheme. We also know that investigators now in Minnesota are looking into the project Veritas tape and I've got to believe the attorney general. Bill Bar will be doing the same let's first before we get to the new tape just released today let's go to yesterday's tape on covering the ballot harvesting fraud and we've been talking so much about yeah we better pay close attention this is real voter fraud I'll update you on what's happening in a second but this is from yesterday and then we'll play today's money's everything money's the team is world Got Money can. Be here period. His guests plea. Wooden, Pallet okay. All Seniors and day to balance rebel. Salah. Balance a knock on the door ballots. To. Get leading. How much good one she's the one who came up with all this. So she did she started this whole thing with. The pay? The vote? To the people that work for hand are actually counting the ballots. Counting the vote and they become manager of the person to. Walk. To the booth and enable I'll hold this goal. Even if you speak. James O'Keefe joins us again James Let's go over what we learned yesterday. What we know today now, the investigation moves forward at least in Minnesota and I would assume now this is going to move nationally. Sean. Thanks so much for putting on TV last night and covering the police reaction and the. Reactions, but this latest installment, this morning released actually shows an actual transaction of cash for the ballot. You can see visibly on the screen the Ballot Harvester gives the two hundred dollars cash in exchange for the voter registration application in the ballot and the ballot. Harvester says quote Omar who came up with this one of the guys actually we don't care that it's illegal. So it's just so outrageous. These guys are operating in the public they know that no one's GonNa hold them accountable. I think that that video that visual the president embedded in his twitter. Very late last night I think that's GONNA force bar to to do something I would think that that would would I think that would happen today or tomorrow. All right. So Minnesota police are investigating as a result of your your investigation. It's all on tape I. Don't know how you counter what we're watching with our own eyes and on radio obviously what we're listening to. But it's it's not just what we're talking about. Now Republicans have to fight in every state. As Democrats at on the last minute, they try to extend the deadline when they'll be counting ballots. A judge's requiring Georgia maintained paper poll books with the list of eligible voters that's going on today Texas Appeals Court at blocked lower court decisions allowing straight ticket voting for the twenty twenty elections that that's a battle that's being fought. You have more and more people talking about Bush v Gore. Scenario that is unfolding. Where Republican election attorney is warning of a contest at two thousand, Twenty Race Pelosi sending out letters now Democrats of possible stolen presidential election and Congress could decide the outcome in all of this. which is beyond any comprehension I have and it goes further than that. You know it's happening now and every single state almost every swing state in particularly well, Sean I mean I think the critical thing here is is, is we have to get the visual people don't believe what they hear the media, the left, the the powers that be the director of the FBI, whoever it is, they don't accept the reality of this unless you can see incontrovertible evidence of it and I think that's why these two videos are so powerful, they've each of them has received five six million Jews alone each one of these videos it's bigger than the Bob Kramer story that we saw in two, thousand, sixteen where Bob Kramer was inciting violence at trump rallies. Operatives talking about bussing people. But in those videos, it was just people bragging about what they might do or have done whereas this videotape you actually see the transaction you see the guy in the car three, hundred absentee ballots you see him at two in the morning holding a handful of absentee ballots saying I'm hustling with all these ballots that empty. So what makes this? Special and unique moment I think is a catalyst for many other whistle blowers to come out out there and work with their is that you actually see the deed being done. So the feds don't have any excuse systemic. Let me just give a picture Mogi pack to your tape in a second. A Pennsylvania judge now has had to weigh in stopping the United States postal. And cuts ahead of the twenty twenty election amid Mellon voting worries. Their own. Ohio. Federal judge requiring and that the ruling that requires ballots signatures be verified has been upheld by this federal judge. Then again, another swing state Wisconsin a judge had to halt six extensions for counting absentee ballots after the election. The trump campaign is now in the RNC is now suing North Carolina. To Stop. Their. Late Minute Mellon voting changes. Some top Republicans are now sounding the alarm. Joe, Biden's bragging about six hundred lawyers and all of these swing states. Clinton is saying she shouldn't concede under any circumstances. The Pennsylvania Republicans have been asking the Supreme Court to stop the mail voting extension. New York City voters have wrongly received mail-in ballots. which is unbelievable I. Mean this is happening everywhere and now you have on tape. Who is this person that is quoting she congresswoman Omar's the one who came up with all this paper vote scheme in the community she's the one and then quote the money comes from the candidates running for office. That directly implicates congresswoman Omar who is that person theater? These are the ballot Harvesters Sean this is this is this is the guy that you see in the tape doing the transaction. That's the same person that said that. This is he's speaking in Somali. It's translated there on the screen the guy who's actually giving giving the cash is the one who says quote Ilhan is the one who came up with this. She's the one the money comes from the candidates and again, this is this is as I said to you on TV last night they actually if they can't and this is our sources on the ground saying this to us on. They go to the apartment houses they take the ballots from the ultimate that's what they said and they take them from the elders they forced them and if they can't coerce them, they make them pay and they might lose their citizenship if that doesn't work, they go into the poll locations and actually sold out for them. That's what these people do. It's an open secret there your point about all across the country yes, this is happening I i. You know me I I want to get it on videotape. A lot of people were very afraid. These people are afraid for their lives in Minneapolis to expose this they're they're fearing for their lives we put up no tell rooms protect them with security They've done this because they're patriots and they want people to see what's going on in there. But this is happening everywhere. There's going to be tens of millions of male unbalanced laying around. There's going to be more videos like this one and I think what what needs to happen now is someone has to be arrested. Someone has to there has to be some consequence and showing one more thing in Minneapolis Minnesota I went to the county prosecutor and said, this is legally said, yes, it is. What are you going to do about it? He's like well, you should call the sheriff's office call the sheriff's office they to the next person in almost seems like nobody's willing to actually enforce the law. So you have is this guy on tape now bragging that he can get away with it he's like I'm famous. It's more than that. They're actually talking about eight hundred bucks for a vote. Now I guess some people pay two hundred or at least they're saying they're pay two hundred others have paid eight hundred and they're paid once they signed the ballot. So it's there is a quid pro quo involved in all of this. Illegal and their. Targeting the elderly community, all of it illegal, and it's the and one of these people told me it the. Victims here right. These are these are victims. Now, you always here there's no systemic voter fraud anecdotal one. To stomach is again strong. By the way we have a little bit of a helicopter problem hovering above our secret broadcast headquarters here in Cleveland. Okay. So the next step now we reached out to congresswoman Omar's office last night prior to you being on the show and her office, they didn't have any comment on this. They're not I suspect they're going to be getting back to us have you tried to reach out to the Adler. Interesting about that. Is that Yes I have I spoke to allegheny I spoke to me was was said he was going to get back to me. This is the chairman, the deputy director of the campaign who is the person behind all of this and according to six different sources there. was the one who's doing the money transfer You know what's funny is that yesterday after? The first video they were thinking visit show they were thinking, but it's a cartoon now they're not responding at all. So they feel the pressure, they feel the heat I know law enforcement is looking very closely at this and they can. They can laugh at it all they want they can dismiss it. They can. They can attack my integrity, which is what the journalists the journalists on twitter are attacking saying Oh Keith did this to change the subject from the tax return story, which is a nothing Burger Tax Returns, how about we look at Hunter Biden and the wire transfers with the First Lady of Moscow, which is the former mayor of Moscow 's wife or the Russian oligarch Ukrainian oligarchs the Kazak oligarchs and China you know one hundred, thousand dollar shopping spree at one point five, billion dollar deal with the Bank of China and of course, the quid pro quo you're not getting a Billion Lucia fire the prosecutor. So my zero experienced sun makes millions you WanNa talk about a corrupt system how about we go there and that's true. Sean the greater issue is that this story did supplant it did replace the tax return story no one cares about the tax returns except the new. York Times, which is losing its legitimacy ten. They wrote the same story October Twenty Sixteen Gee, I. Wonder if the eight days before the second debate with Hillary Clinton Gee. I wonder if there's a pattern going on here with the New York toilet paper times cheese there sean, they're angry at because this story is so successful and I can't emphasize enough these people out there in Texas in Pennsylvania for the election judges you see this stuff someone sent me a photograph of a car filled with post office ballots I mean these sorts of citizens out there who are seeing these mail in ballots being trafficked, harvested stolen. We've got to get the visual evidence and Omar is really in trouble We Veritas has so many whistleblowers right now, we've got to have the citizens of this country. You cannot rely upon the FBI I wanNA talk about this on the other side because you usually do things and two three four installments, and there are people in every swing state. Now, that could be working for you to helping expose all of this, which would be great stay right there James. O'Keefe. CEO Founder of Project Veritas be fascinating to see where this ends up. I don't have to tell you I mean we are just a mere thirty four days away from what is thirty five days away from the defining election in our lives. It's a fight for the soul of America I called the tipping point, a election of our lifetime. As. We continue final moments, James O'Keefe, CEO and president and founder of Project Veritas. All right. So these tapes are out there. Today you released phase two is there more coming and you are building an army of people in all of these swing states to actually go in with their cameras or undercover and and discover if there's any more any more of this illegal activity going on I mean this like kind of a whip sawing effect ricochet where we release these tapes more insiders come out we're reporting all the time this videotape, we this morning showing the cast exchange we got that on Sunday, but right before we launched. This one. So we're we're getting more recordings and this is blowing up and and my call to action out. There is two fold for your audience. If you're a citizen, a patriotic citizen who has firsthand close proximity to the fraud, we will give you one of these cameras we will protect you, and that email is veritas tips at Proton, mail dot COM also Sean we do have more coming. We want you guys to put pressure on on the Department of Justice send this to the DOJ. Send. You gotTA. Guy Committing Felony on Cape. It's. It's. It's a very, very clear the crimes committing but I'm not a law enforcement agency. The citizens have to put pressure on these people using videos to get action and we're also asking for Omar to resign I mean I don't know why she's still a congresswoman when you're when you're responsible for all this fraud she has to comment on this Sean and she will James O'Keefe Project Veritas. Get in touch with your organization it's It's project VERITAS DOT com slash brave they can sign up, joined, donate or submitted tip. Let me tell you the resistance is going to go there and try and infiltrate your group as my prediction. Anyway. Thank you James O'Keefe eight, hundred, nine, four, one, Sean toll-free telephone number. We are now counting down mile just a little over four hours from now the President Joe Biden will be debating when we come back a special investigative report huge released today as it relates to the deep state at a double standard that implicates, Hillary, Clinton and her campaign actually colluding with Russia. We'll explain Lindsey Graham next plateau with us eight, hundred, nine, four, one, Sean toll-free telephone number twenty, five now til the top of the hour. We now have some breaking news we've been told this is coming all day, and now it is out now senator Lindsey Graham Great State of South Carolina made a request. To the Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, and he has now responded. Let me read from this letter. It says Chairman Graham in response to your request for intelligence community I see information related to the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation I've declassified the following in late July twenty sixteen US intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved campaign plan to stir up a scandal against US presidential candidate, Donald Trump, I trying put Putin and the. Russians hacking of the DNC committee, the IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation the extent which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration of fabrication but according to his handwritten notes, former CIA director Brennan. Subsequently briefed President Obama an other national security officials on the intelligence including the alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July Twenty, six, twenty sixteen of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilified Donald Trump by stirring up scandal claiming interference by Russian security services. On September seven 2016 US intelligence officials they forwarded investigative referral to the FBI Director Komi and the deputy assistant director of counterintelligence. Peter Struck regarding quote US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning US presidential candidate, Donald Trump, and Russian hackers hampering US elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private e mail server as referenced in his September Twenty Four Twenty, twenty letter. To the Committee Attorney General Bar has advised that the disclosure of this information will not interfere with the ongoing department of Justice investigations additional classification in public disclosure related intelligence now remains under consideration however, while the icy now welcomes the opportunity to provide a classified briefing with further detail at your convenience. Senator Lindsey Graham joins us now to discuss the senator. Wow. So in other words, the vom reading this right. I'm hearing that Hillary Clinton as a means of distraction was picked up by our own intelligence agencies as colluding with the Russians to create a phony trump Russia collusion scandal, my reading that right Yeah. So what I get from this is an NGO. Picked up. A. Russian intelligence analysis. That Clinton was going to create a storyline about trump Russia. Was Serious enough for the briefed President Obama. But the real important point of this letter is an September twenty sixteen. They sent over to the FBI request from the intelligence community to investigate. Eight concern about Clinton creating trump Russia problem to divert from the server scandal. So here's the question. I don't know if it's true or not. But what did the FBI do with a request from the intelligence community to investigate the Clinton rusher connection? What do we do know that Christopher? Michael. Excuse me Christopher Steele. was on the payroll the Democratic Party. That he was a foreign agent that he hired a Russian suspect, it's by they dig up dirt on trump the dossier proved to be unreliable and a bunch of BS. If. They were willing to do that. Is it possible? They did more and here's the question. What did the FBI due to run this down if anything? Okay. So now this is the point i. let go to no evidence of trump Russia collusion no evidence no evidence with the montage that we have, and now want to follow up with the steele dossier that was made up and how Democrats created it, and I don't WanNa throw the Hillary. Of course there's a difference between my collusion, Donald Trump's collusion in light of today's developments. But Mr Clapper then went on to say that to his knowledge there was no evidence of collusion between members of the trump campaign and the Russians we did not include any evidence in our report and when I say our report that is the NSA FBI and CIA Dianne Feinstein has said there's no evidence of collusion. So collusion between whom can you tell us that I'm not prepared? To say that there's proof you could take to a jury, but I can't say that there is enough that we ought to be investigating at the time you separated from service in January twentieth seventeen had you seen any evidence that donald trump or any member of his campaign colluded conspired a coordinated with the Russians or anyone else to infiltrate or impact our voter infrastructure. Not, beyond. what has been out there open source and not beyond anything that I'm sure this committee is already seen and heard before directly from the intelligence community, this fake dossier was made up. had. I understand they paid a tremendous amount of money. And Hillary Clinton always denied it. The Democrats always denied it. And now all because it's going to come out in a court case they said, yes, they did it. They admitted it and there were embarrassed by but I think it's a disgrace. It's very sad. It's very sad commentary on politics of this. Hillary is the difference between your team paying for this opposition research and Donald. Trump's people working with the Russians to influence the election. Is there a different of course series and you know I think most serious people understand that this was research started by a Republican donor during the Republican primary, and then when trump got the nomination for the Republican Party the people doing it came. To my campaign lawyer and said, you know, would you like us to continue it and he said, yes, he's an experienced lawyer. He knows what the law is. He knows what opposition research is and from my perspective, it didn't come out before the election as we all know and would also didn't come out which I think is an even bigger problem as I write in the book is that The American people didn't even know that the FBI was investigating the trump campaign because of connections with Russia starting in the summer of two thousand sixteen. So I know that voters should have had that information that something that may have influenced some people and it's part of what happens in a campaign where you get information that may or may not be useful and you try to make sure anything. You put out into the public arena is accurate, and so this thing didn't come out until after the election and it's still being evaluated but the fact of the FBI investigation into the trump campaign and Russia should have come out I mean, could this be any more backwards than what the American people have been fed by the media by the Democratic Party and all their alleged concern about Russian interference? Radcliffe is saying here that our intelligence agencies obtained insight into. Analysis that Hillary Clinton and her campaign had approved a plan to stir up or initiate a scandal against Donald. Trump by trying by tying him purposely they're lying to Putin and the Russian. So in other words, she's trying to get the Russians to partner with her in terms of interfering in our elections and claim that Donald Trump urged the Russians to hack the DNC emails and it's all designed to get attention away from the thirty three thousand deleted emails that had been subpoenaed and then destroyed with bleach bit, and then the hammers, the devices, and there are a handwritten notes from director Brennan of the CIA that he briefed Obama and other senior national security officials. On the intelligence in other words that Hillary had done this and the allegation. And the alleged approval of Hillary Clinton. Of this proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers all designed to work with the Russians to vilify donald trump and create a phony scandal at Miami. Can it be any more clear? That's what it says. Well, that's what. But. What do we know? We know that the Democratic Party and really quick scoping. Hard goosing TPS who how Christopher Steele that Christopher Steele used as suspected Russian saw this up source. The creative document, call the dossier that alleges things that trump had in Russia this a bunch of. Is, all bar talk and they got a wart. Question is what they do more. Did they do more the real issue here is the Muller. Investigative With years. Twenty five million dollars sixty FBI agents run every allegation now against trump regarding trump and Russia. What did we learn today that they were numerous alligators bobbing Clo- Russia nobody apparently did a damn thing who look at it. If that's down double standard I. Don't know what is when they found exculpatory information regarding trump they hit it the court. So. We're Sean. That we see a part of falsifying information to the court to keep the investigation going against trump. We see a pattern not reporting to the record information about the reliability dossier to keep the weren't going against Carter. Page. We see a pattern of giving Clinton a pass when it comes to the email server deal. Now, we find on top of all this that the seat, the intelligence community suspected as early July twenty. Sixteen. They concerted effort by Clinton to create a Russia trump problem and apparently the FBI has not done a damn thing about it. So and that means that also implicates James Comey here because he was told by Brennan that actually implicates Peter Struck, because he was told by Brennan, it actually means that Obama was told by Brennan and that they were briefed about it. Now, when you look at all of the FIS application warrants and what else what we learned in just the last number of weeks, we learned that the sub source that they knew was a Russian agent, but they still went applying for these visor applications knowing it was fraudulent and unverified and unverifiable. Maybe. Now, the reason why Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein both said to you knowing what they know now they never would assign those FIS applications. This is just the tip of the iceberg and you got James me in your committee when tomorrow morning and the first thing I want to ask Komi is do you remember getting a request from the intelligence community? In. September twenty sixteen to investigate. A claim that Clinton was. Trying to attach Russia and trump to divert from the server problem that that she was coming up with a plan to use trump of being involved in the hacking. So they would not look at the server problem she had now the question for me is what did you do? You know what Muller did regarding trump? What did the FBI do to look at this allegation if they investigate if so how many agents? How long did it last? What did you find? Any did look at it all why Unbelievable who else do you have planning? You're bringing into your committee Astra Struck and we're working with him I've got McCabe coming. So here's the point the to see and the intelligence community is finding information important enough to to brief President Obama about the Clinton campaign and Russia. What did they do to run it down and look at it we know that they turned every stone upside down to look at trump we know that the Democrats hired a foreign agent to use. A Russian spy to the documents, all the dossier could they have done more? Here's what the steal information that would make you suspicious about the Democratic Party regarding trump and Russia. Did they spend any time and effort that they do anything like they did regarding trump if not why? Not? Why did Clinton get a break at every turn? Why was it that they ignored all the stop signs when it came to be Carter page? Why did they withhold from the or information about Popadopoulos why? You raise senator. 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Attorney General William Barr's Unwavering Support Of Trump, Explained

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Attorney General William Barr's Unwavering Support Of Trump, Explained

"From whyy in Philadelphia. This is fresh air. I'm Dave Davies in for Terry Gross. Today a look at president trump's controversial attorney general. William Bar veteran journalist. David Road says bar is trump's most feared criticized and effective cabinet member in a piece in the New Yorker Road explores bars long held conservative Riveta values and is longstanding commitment to expanding presidential power a principal now being tested as the impeachment trial unfolds in the Senate yet again. We're having this great debate. About how much power should the president have. How much power should congress have to investigate? The president's conduct and bar isn't directly involved in the trial but his is broad support. His philosophical support for a stronger presidency is clearly helping trump also TV critic. David Bean Cooley reviews star. Trek Picard. Starring Sir Patrick Stewart it premieres tonight on CBS. All access support for this podcast comes from the Neubauer family foundation supporting. WHYY's wise fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation. President trump fired his first attorney. General Jeff sessions after complaining. Planning sessions had failed to protect him from a special council investigation in his replacement current attorney. General William Bar. Trump has a fierce advocate an article for the New Yorker magazine. Our guest veteran journalist. David Road says bar has acted as trump's political sword and shield presenting sanitized. Summary of special counsel Robert Muller's findings to the public and launching his own investigation into the FBI's probe of the trump campaign's possible ties to Russia. And the the intelligence community assessment that Russia intervened and the two thousand sixteen election in his Article Road Explores the roots of bars conservative values and his longstanding longstanding commitment to expanding the powers of the Presidency David wrote is a longtime investigative journalist. He's now executive editor for news at New Yorker worker DOT com. He's written a book in deep the FBI the CIA and the truth about America's deep state which will be published in April his his article about William Bar Appears in the January twentieth edition of the magazine and is available on New Yorker Dot Com. Well David Road welcome back to fresh air. You say in this piece. That William Bar is the most feared criticized at effective member of trump's cabinet. But it's clear from your piece that his fervent advocacy on a lot of these issues isn't new that he has firm convictions about law and politics that date back decades you write about an address he gave at Notre Dame last fall which you say was a case for ideological warfare What was his message his message as you know there are various ones but the key one was that he felt that organized religion in the United States was under assault? And I think you know there are many Americans Who are our religious that feel this way he talked about sort of the? There's a combination of the Hollywood elite In the mass media Sort of attacking jacking people. That are of faith I you know many Americans would disagree with that and say that that point was exaggerated. But it's a it was a sort of a of a A theme Trumpian theme of kind of being under siege That conservatives are under siege and under assault and a theme of also so of Grievance so it was more a decorous than you know frankly. President trump speaks but he was sort of hitting the same The same points and pushing the same buttons. It's clear that bars convictions. Our long-held they go way back tell us a bit about his family life. So bar grew up on the upper west side of Manhattan Hatton. Both of his parents taught at Columbia different points in their career His mom was also an editor at redbook magazine and his father was a headmaster of Dalton. Sort of an elite private school school He went to Horace Mann which was a an elite private school as well in New York and this was in the middle of the Vietnam era and he was then at that point is life absolutely convinced in one thing and that is at the present. United States should have total authority to respond to threats to the United States and he debated I talked it to some of his high school classmates. The balance of power you know Congress versus the president and their dishes airy and even at that point as a teenager bill bar was like the president needs the authority to act unilaterally and foreign affairs he supported the war in Vietnam and he believed that passionately then and to this day. He is a an aggressive arrested supporter of presidential power. He went to a parochial school as a kid the family were were were deeply committed Catholics. Right they were and he's an observant Catholic today and I you know. I don't think that's a major issue that sets his personal life and it's fine but he was very political even In in the parochial school. you know He. He told none That he wanted to vote for Richard Nixon when he was in elementary school and The non replied. You know I'll Apprai- for you then But that to his credit is the kind of courage of his convictions. He's always been willing to sort of speak out You know stand up for what he believes then. And he's been very very consistent throughout his life about what he's fighting for. He Goes College at Columbia. which must have been at the height of the student? Protest Movement did did his thinking drift left at all from that experience. I know from again. We heard his. He was sort of repulsed by this according to folks in him at the time time when Columbia students that have famously took over the main administration building He saw this as sort of chaotic and so while you know everyone else of his generation or many of the people of his generation are protesting the war he actually did internships at the CIA his father had served in the precursor to the CIA in World War. Two and you know young Bill Barr of graduates from Columbia. Doesn't internship at the CIA to Graduate School at Columbia as well in you know does is Chinese studies but his first job out of graduate school is actually at the CIA as an analyst about China so he becomes an analyst at the CIA. Okay then goes to law school and then find himself at the CIA as office of Legal Counsel and this is when George Herbert Walker Bush was director of the CIA. What kind kind of issues was the CIA confronting at that time? So they were. You know watching an classic power struggle on full between Congress and the President This is after Watergate of but there had been a congressional investigation of famous Senate Committee called Church Committee that had found decades of abuses by the CIA and the FBI. I where both organizations had spied on Americans they spied on Martin Luther King You know the FBI sent king false letters of the C. I. A. Spied Spied on John Lennon so there was an effort by Congress to enact all these laws restrict what the CIA was doing and they're sort of a great anecdote Where George TURBOT Walker Bush then the CIA director is testifying before Congress to congresswoman from New York famous one Bella Abzug Her male had been opened by the CIA for decades Geico because she had represented various people. Accuse them McCarthyism and so there was a law that Congress wanted to enact whereas would apologized. Every American who's letter had been an open by the agency. Bush testified against that at one point in the hearing he turns around and ask Bar this sort of young age in his late twenties for advice. How to answer a question question Bush takes bars advice. You know delivers the answer bar. Recommends and bars really struck by George H W Bush and impressed by him right he he. He then moves into the government in the Reagan White House. Reagan is elected Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty. He becomes a White House. Deputy Assistant Director for Legal Policy Z.. And over the course of the Reagan administration the there were big issues about independent counsel investigations into government misconduct in-duct in part because of this huge scandal the Iran Contra scandal. You WanNa remind us what that was about and bars view of these issues Yeah it's the mid nineteen eighties the continuation of this same debate from the seventies about the balance of power between Congress and the President Congress had passed a law specifically banning the Reagan administration from aiding anti-communist rebels the contras in Nicaragua and the White House. began a secret effort to funnel money to those was guerrilla groups in Central America. They sold weapons to Iran. Partly in a way to try to get some American hostages free that were being held in Lebanon and then they use is the proceeds from the arm sales to fund the contras that became the Iran. Contra scandal it was completely illegal You know William Casey the CIA. I director ran this. He violated again. A law passed by Congress. Barring this aid there's a huge inquiry There's a you know a joint congressional committee that looks into it and there's these famous scenes of Oliver North Testifying he had you know. Run this this secret program that was illegal and north defiantly finally said the president and myself as his aid. We have to act unilaterally to defend the country and it's the same argument went over and over again after the Reagan administration. William Bar is actually appointed attorney general by George Herbert Walker Bush who wins the nineteen eighty eight election and this issue of special counsel investigations into this scandal. The secret arms sales the Iran Contra scandal affected a lot of people's lives What role did did borough play? What happened so near the end of the Bush administration and there was a lot of complaints that the special counsel who've been appointed to investigate iran-contra Lawrence Walsh was was overzealous and about a half dozen? People have been convicted acted or were awaiting trial and after Bush lost the nineteen ninety-two election to bill. Clinton Bush personally sort of blamed the special counsel and the Continuing Shadow Veron on Contra for hurting his re-election effort and Bush then pardoned about a half dozen of these former administration officials who've been convicted or awaiting trial under the Iran Contre Special Prosecutor bill very much supported that Ignoring special counsels fit his philosophy of executive power. He felt that the creation of a special process which came out of Watergate was dilution and a weakening of presidential power. He felt that inspectors general which are also these independent and Investigators that look for waste fraud and abuse created by Congress. They you know are as well. So bar supported these pardons But they are very controversial. It was seen as the major blow to Congress's power in essence these half dozen officials could violate a law Lied to Congress and get pardoned for it and and if there's going to be a sort of balance of power you know it's good for administration officials to fear lying to Congress into fear breaking laws. Yeah this this is. This is an interesting dispute here. And before he was attorney. General for President Bush. He headed the justice. Department's Office of Legal Counsel. You mentioned that he wrote a memo Komo on executive in congressional power that gives us a sense of what his logic here was. I mean doesn't the executive need some check on on its actions in speeches over the years. He's talked about the executive branches the most effective branch of the government and that when the United States has has faced you know major threats even existential threats from the civil war to the Great Depression. Two World War Two. He feels that the executive branch is what has responded most cost-effectively and and really saved The United States Many people disagree with that view. But you know he he feels that you need a decisive Individual with a democratic mandate you know elected by the people the United States that can act decisively that the legislative branch is sort of two divided and judicial additional branches to to slow To kind of respond in a decisive ways that are needed to defend the country right. That's an argument for efficacy. Is there a constitutional institutional argument as well. I mean is this what the founders intended. Well this is this great debate and we'll talk about what's happening today but many people say no You know Donald IRA who was a you know a deputy attorney general Also in the Bush administration you know told me that Bars views on presidential power are chilling and deeply really disturbing Laurence tribe a Harvard professor. Some would say left leaning. You know he said that if bars views of executive power you know take hold old will have a chief executive who is more powerful than king billboard grew up Catholic. He's remained a committed Catholic all his life. A man of faith. Is there evidence that this has affected his judgements or justice department policies or his religious convictions reflected in policy moves made made by the department. I think it's very important that you know to let his faith private and and it's hard for me to say it's impossible to say you know whether it's impacts impacts His thinking he does Support and the Justice Department filed briefs pushing for government tuition reimbursements to go to religious schools. There's a couple of states those have been filed and He supports that in his speech at Notre Dame he talked about religious education being a really important in cure for social ills. He felt that religion was more effective at ending though social ills than government intervention and. You know there's divides in the Catholic Church. You know there are liberal Catholics. WHO disagree with that they're conservative Catholics? Who supported and so? It's hard to say but he does back taxpayer funding being of of religious schools. And he's a very strong opponent of abortion. Rights see supports the overturning Roe V. Wade you also noted that when he was attorney any general under George Herbert Walker Bush that he had some strong views on the nature of crime and the criminal justice system and there was a religious element to that too wasn't wasn't there Bartok's publicly about morality and the need for religion is in his speech at Notre Dame he said that for democracy to survive many he people needed to be Observant that religion would cause people to follow a moral order and the law and act properly and uphold democracy. Many eight people were offended by that. They said that you know the founding fathers talked about separation in charge that you don't need to be religious to participate in democracy you you can be an atheist and then there was a separate Statement he gave a nineteen ninety-five symposium where he spoke about violent crime and he argued that the root cause of crime was not poverty but immorality morality He said violent crimes caused not by physical factors such as not enough food stamps in stamp program but ultimately by moral factors and again and liberals sort of find this offensive they find it sort of preaching and worries them that there's this sort of message. They contend that you have to be religious to sort of be a you know properly functioning member of society or that that there's sort of a a a message being sent That violates the bedrock doc American separation of church and state. The you should be free to follow any religion you wish and free to follow no religion. bars ars defenders. Say He's he's just expressing. His views and liberals are overreacting to what he has said. We're GONNA bar came into the trump administration After the president fired jeff sessions but before he was appointed. He sent this pretty. Well publicized. Now Nineteen Page legal memo to Rod Rosenstein Rosenstein the Deputy Attorney General about the Muller Investigation. What did it say it said that the president can only be guilty of obstructing directing justice if he does a handful of a very severe things such as destroying evidence or clearly and openly pressuring a witness to lie and many people feel that the message of the memo which he submitted before he was nominated was that he would defend trump and trump was furious? Jeff sessions because because he felt he wasn't kind of reining in the Mueller investigation and trump famously. Said where is my Roy. Cohn I want my Roy Cohn and that's a reference to this very famous Amos New York lawyer who was in a senator McCarthy during McCarthyism in the sixties when many people were questioned unfairly about being communists. But it's this kind of no olds bar You know fight for your client attack your opponent's approach that law that Roy Cohn embodied that trump was sort of looking for he wants an attorney general who functions as his fighter his advocate. And you know the story says you know he wants an attorney general. That's going to be his his sword and shield right. Did trump have much of a relationship relationship with Barbie for this was the bar supporter or contributor to trump He wasn't he actually barmaid. Many donations to mainstream Republicans bar back act Jeb Bush in the primaries but he quickly turned around on trump. He you know bar felt that the media was critical of trump. that the left sort of overreacted to trump's chiefs win and so there's a sense that bar kind of Goes into this job. Because he sees the presidency being weakened he sees the Mueller investigation in as like deluding presidential power and again he believes it's critical for the country to have a strong president He also believes the Justice Department is sort of Being weak and so so I I got the sense from people close to bar that he's you know more loyal to the presidency And these beliefs he has and I think he's a clear supporter president trump. But but he is. He's working for his view of of what the constitutional system should be rather than you know solely out of personal loyalty to Donald Trump. I was Gonna ask what you heard from people who know bar about this memo. I mean it's no small thing to write this nineteen page memo that. Nobody asked for did people's see this as I dunno driven by ambition or is it his principal belief that things were going the wrong direction so his friends said it was his principal belief that things are going in the wrong direction and he had to you know step in and he was at the end of his career and he could. Do you know what he felt was right. And and then there's others it said it was. He wanted to get back in the game that it was a clear signal to the president and the trump administration That he would defend the president from anything Muller IT WAS GONNA do trump points William bar think. He says he was my top choice from day. One or words to that effect When Bart takes over the Justice Department you write that morale was low in part because president trump had required the justice department to defend contorted legal positions like what the trump legal agenda is farther right than the Reagan administration are sort of any Or the George W Bush administration has taken and One of the striking things is that the Justice Department under president trump and under bar There was several automakers that made an agreement to to reduce their emissions with the state of California. The trump bar justice department immediately announced an antitrust investigation against those automakers because because privately White House officials saw this agreement as a PR stunt that was you know out to embarrass the administration. And that's just one example of this extraordinary use of the justice this department to sort of attack companies corporations that are seen as enemies by the White House and this is very different from a private sector that the Reagan administration you know believed in unfettered capitalism. You you wouldn't create an antitrust investigation to attack company. You know you let it do its business yes And that's what's so different about the trump era David Road story about William Bars in the January twentieth edition of The New Yorker and at New Yorker Kerr Dot com after a break. He'll talk about bars. Handling of the mother. Report and the whistleblower complaint about President Trump's phone call to the president of Ukraine also so TV critic David B. and Cooley Reviews Star Trek Picard starring. Sir Patrick Stewart I'm Dave Davies and this is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message come from University of Maryland Global Campus Make Twenty twenty the year. 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Historically Justice Department lawyers have tried to help resolve disputes. Kind of mediate them. Come to an understanding standing. How did the Bar Justice Department handled decision? One of the changes we heard about was that you know instead of Trying to kind of mitigate negate gives some information or Congress to get a middle ground. Is that the Justice Department under bar is no longer doing that. They simply are asserting executive privilege in multiple all cases saying that the president you know does not have to turn over information to Congress. There's an amicus brief that Bars just pharmacist filed saying that the president's it's tax returns and financial documents should not go to the Manhattan District Attorney who's investigating whether he engaged in tax fraud or potentially this illegal campaign payment to keep quiet women with allegations against the president on impeachment bar very much supports the effort by the White House to block the handing handing over of all documents related to the impeachment investigation in blocking the testimony of any White House aides in the impeachment investigation and this is just just extraordinary. Impeachment is Congress's ultimate power It's it's some say it's being used to aggressively now but to have the president of the United States. Say say none of my aides. No documents nothing to a theoretically coequal branch of government has never happened before in American history. I'm I'm not a lawyer but I mean it seems to be that for this blanket. Refusal to provide information to Congress to be institutionalized going and forward it would kind of have to be ratified by the courts. Wouldn't have these issues. been tested in in the legal system are are members of Congress. Reluctant to go either to establish a precedent. Many questions have not been resolved by the courts yet. The courts tend to be a slow you know. Various cases are winding their way to the Supreme Court. And in the end you know the Supreme Court ruling on all these key issues could redefine the balance of power between the different branches of government. This is a historic time and a historic moment. And there's a chance you know with two justices appointed by Trump that are supporters of executive active power that the court could support a more powerful presidency than we've ever had in American history. The swing vote and all this is chief justice. John John Roberts who Americans can you know watch now overseeing the Senate trial it's really in his hands Whether you know there's a redefinition of the balance of the power between Congress and the president Some critics of Democrats in Congress. They've rushed the impeachment that they should have gone to court I to try to get certain key. Witnesses assist to testify but the Democrats say they don't have time for that. They're trying to push through the impeachment quickly but all of this. I just can't emphasize enough is extraordinary. Mary the scope of changes the aggressiveness of bars legal theories and tactics The precedence that the trump administration is creating creating for future occupants of the Oval Office. It's monumental what is unfolding today. Well a lot has happened. Surrounding William Bar Muller investigation including his handling of the Mullahs report when it was released and he received it and issued a statement which became the public face of the report for weeks until redacted version of it could be published. Remind us what happened and how Muller reacted so. The report is handed over Vert Bar. He's only been in office for for several weeks and Muller had prepared summaries of the report that had been re redacted of Intelligence information or sensitive information and instead of releasing that bar produces own four page summary that included to be fair some the basic inclusion Asian In the report that that the more investigation and not found collusion between the trump campaign and Russia but the summary Did minimize the extent the the number of examples that had been found of trump trying to obstruct the investigation and all there were ten examples of possible obstruction of justice. That Muller found so this four page summary it was seen essentially according to critics like backed the president's messaging that he had been exonerated and so for weeks. You know that message was out there. And then the full report comes out and there's all kinds of questionable actions by the president some say obstruction of justice and this is is where the criticism of bars that he's acting political agent of the president and since Watergate attorneys general are supposed to be independent to not be overly the political But this was an early sign of what bar was going to be like during his tenure. As Attorney General you know that is remarkable. Because I don't want when you write about how you know. Bar is in lockstep with his with the president on a lot of controversial issues like immigration policy the citizenship question on the census. I mean I think a lot of people would say well. Isn't that what every attorney general does for the person appointed them. So this is a big debate. And you know there's there's a sense that some attorneys general have been More Political Bobby Kennedy was seen his. You know supportive of his brother Ed meese with the Reagan administration went around. You know they were unhappy with Supreme Court decisions. and Ed meese gave speeches telling Americans you don't have to see Supreme Court rulings as the law of the land you know you can have subsequent legal interpretations which was an extraordinary statement and then the most infamous attorney general general Would Be John Mitchell. He served as attorney general under Richard Nixon and while serving as attorney general he oversaw a campaign slush fund that was used is to smear enemies of the president. It was an illegal activity. After Being Attorney General Mitchell becomes the chairman of Nixon's campaign and then Watergate is carried out. John Mitchell four crime he committed after being attorney. General is sent to prison is tried and convicted. He's the only attorney general to have gone to prison awesome so there is a post Watergate norm Edward Levy a conservative From the universe ICAGO becomes attorney general after Watergate and he sets a strict standard of independence that that for people to believe that the courts are fair that everyone gets a fair trial that you're not prosecuted included. You know differently because of your political party. It's critical for the Attorney General the Justice Department to administer the law independently in an apolitical way. And you know there's been ups and downs in different attorneys generals have been you know political conservatives would say that Eric holder protected Barack Obama but it has reached a new level with bar. Dr where he's giving these sort of very political speeches where he attacks liberals ends and again sort of helps push the president's message. David David Road is a veteran journalist and the executive editor for news of New Yorker Dot Com historian William Bar Trump's sword and shield appears on the January twentieth edition. Asian of the magazine also available on New Yorker Dot Com. We'll talk more after a short break. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message come from the Walton Family Foundation where opportunity takes root more information is available at Walton Family Foundation Dot Org who was custom Soleil money and what exactly was his role in Iran this week on through line of the assassinated Iranian general and the organization he represented have shaped the relationship between the US and Iran for decades. That's this week on through line from NPR. podcast where we go back in time to understand the present. We're speaking with David David Road and executive editor of The New Yorker Dot Com. He has a story in the January twentieth edition of the magazine profiling the US. Attorney General called William Bar Dr Trump's sword and shield it's also available on New Yorker Dot com one of the things that bar did was to support trump's criticisms of the muller investigation allegation including trump's assertion that his campaign was spied on Bar said in a hearing. I think last April that he thought spying did occur. What steps has attorney? Ernie General Bar taken to pursue these complaints so one of the president's biggest. You know complaints and messages has been that. He's a victim of a sort of deep deep state cu that there was an effort by the FBI and the CIA. And it's it's not clear. What the you know? Details are to undermine him from day one to leak negative stories to the press and then He. He claims that this the entire Muller investigation was unnecessary I spoke at length. FBI officials that were part of that investigation. They felt they had to investigate. The President Rosen. And he you know they're in the middle of Twenty Sixteen You know DNC emails have been stolen. They're being released and trump publicly calls for the Russians to find Hillary's stories remaining emails. As you know that's usually contentious issue but what's been unusual out bar is that he did. He use his term as you said that the F. B. I. Spied on trump's campaign and when there was an exhaustive investigation at is announced recently by The Inspector General for the Justice Department you know. They came to the conclusion that the the basis for launching the investigation was was legal and factual there were grounds to look at what was happening in that. The summer of two thousand sixteen there were major ager mistakes in the Surveillance of one former trump campaign at an aide. But there was no spying on you know the campaign and You know or or trump tower or some of the allegations that that the president is made and even when that report came out bar so too quickly issued a statement saying that his own investigation of what had happened was Gonna continue and he questioned the Inspector General's findings you. You know what bars down here is not simply to express opinions. But to use the power of his office to launch an investigation into the origins of the Mueller. A probe. What exactly is he doing? WHO's leading So it's this extraordinary power. He has been given by President Trump We're the attorney. General is GonNa Review the work of the FBI which is fine. FBI's under the Justice Department of the Attorney General but he's also reviewing the work of the CIA and the intelligence community in introducing the assessment that said that Russia had intervened in the two thousand sixteen election to help trump's effort. And what's unusual is that we've had had you know tremendous mistakes failures by the intelligence community. You know the I missed the nine. Eleven attacks You know Iraq. WMD You know the assumption there were weapons there for the invasion that prove to be wrong. And what's happened in most cases there are congressional investigations or these independent commissions the nine eleven commission's which are nonpartisan. You know to to sort of get to a you. Know a common history for what happened and then proposed reforms Bar has had. He's appointed a federal prosecutor. John Durham of Connecticut advocate to investigate both the FBI and the CIA. And how did they investigate the trump campaign and what happened and this is very unusual. Because you you don't normally they have a federal prosecutor looking at you know an intelligence assessment and many Intelligence officials I talked about said this is a piece of analysis. This was you you know what people believed to be true and that having a criminal investigation is sort of overkill and it could have a chilling effect where the FBI might be hesitant resident to look into corruption involving you know members of the trump administration because they'll be in an investigation of their work or an intelligence analyst may be nervous about contradicting the president about the likelihood of North Korea agreeing to a nuclear arms deal because they could be investigated themselves for their conduct so Barr says it's necessary that there are still suspicions. you know among some Republicans about Komi and the FBI's actions but there is a fear that again this is kind of it will silence people that they'll be a chilling effect. If you investigate this president you yourself will be investigated. Does the bar investigation extend to trump's suspicion that Ukraine actually was involved in leaking the DNC emails and was Ukraine that interfered in the twenty Augustine election. It's not clear. I mean one of the unusual things about having a federal prosecutor do. This is that it's all very secret. It's not you know they're not willing series series of congressional hearings or or nine eleven style hearings to understand what happened in twenty sixteen instead. We don't know exactly what he's looking at and so so You Know I. I don't know one thing I wanNA clarify. Is that in the kind of you know now. Famous transcript of president. Trump's conversation with the president of Ukraine Trump famously says to the president Ukraine. You GotTa talk to my personal lawyer. Rudy Giuliani and you should talk to Attorney General Bill Bar bars Spokespeople folks people have emphatically denied. That bar has ever spoken to the president of Ukraine or any Ukrainian officials about that and they've also said that bar never Spoke to Giuliani. Left Parnis Who was Guiliani associate? That's been indicted by federal prosecutors. He sort of has said bar was on the team. But but there's there's no evidence that bar was involved in this scheme to you. Know as Democrats contend withhold aid from Ukraine and exchange for Biden investigation negation but It again just shows how unusual this is that bars carrying out this kind of investigation and he sort of. He's sort of in this position. You know when the phone call between president trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelinski occurred that prompted this complaint by a whistle blower from the intelligence community and bars. Justice Department certainly had a role in handling that complain. What happened so this again was sort of a fascinating example? All of the power of the presidency versus Congress underlaw you know whistleblower. Complaints are supposed to go I of the Inspector General which is again an independent body? Set up by Congress after Watergate to you know act as a check on abuse and waste the executive branch and then the inspector general normally if it's an urgent and credible whistleblower complaint would send that to the relevant committees of Congress. In this case the key body would have been the Democrat controlled the House Intelligence Committee There was debate about whether it should be handed over. The question was sent to the Justice Department and bars. Justice Department said no that that it should not be handed over. It wasn't urgent. Legally there was a question about. Should it be a criminal. Investigation was the president soliciting campaign assistance. It's and there was a finding by the Justice Department under bar that there was no way to create a quantifiable value for the announcement by Ukraine Crane of an investigation into the Biden's and therefore it couldn't be investigated Many legal scholars laughed at that rationale. Of course there's a huge value to having an an an announcement of an investigation by the Biden's from Ukraine But Bars Justice Department did move the complaint and it moved because of you know journalism Great reporting by The Washington Post. you know made the complaint public and then it was eventually under pressure turned over to the House Intelligence Committee and eventually due to public pressure and more and more reporting the White House released the call transcript So there's questions again about why I it seems that Barsha Department blocked the release of the whistleblower complain so now that the impeachment trial is unfolding. What role is his bar playing? And what role might he play as the as this all unfolds as president trump's impeachment trial unfolds yet again. We're having this great debate about you. Know How much power should the president have. How much power should congress have to investigate? The president's conduct and bar are isn't directly involved in the trial he's not you know defending president trump in the Senate but his broad you know support his philosophical support for for a stronger. Presidency is clearly helping trump He gave a speech in the middle of the impeachment investigation the hearings that the house was sending at the Federalist Society. Any New York any sort of mock the left he said. The left was destroying norms and radicalizing and endangering kind of you know the constitutional system in their opposition to trump trump. And it was a sort of you know you know the tenor of shocked people and it was seen again as a partisan speech that kind of rally the Republican base. He talked about trump the air to Reagan. He praised his. You know for nominating conservative judges and it was right at a time when trump was under you know a lot of criticism and there was damaging testimony coming before these House committees from State Department officials and others. So you could see him. I don't know You know making taking more speeches like that Backing up the need for powerful president and sort of dismissing Investigations by Democrats and Congress's partisan as is a relevant. Well David thanks so much for speaking with US thank you. David Rhodes Story About William Bars in the January twentieth edition of The New Yorker and and at New Yorker Dot com coming up TV critic David B. and Cooley Review Star Trek Picard starring. Sir Patrick Stewart which premieres tonight on CBS. It's all access this is fresh air support for NPR comes from whyy presenting the podcast. Eleanor amplified an adventure series. Kids I love here reporter. 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Trek Picard and features the actor and character at the center of the Next Generation Patrick Stewart as Captain Shaun Luc Picard Our TV critic. David Cooley has this review Lou and that me bud blue The music you just heard opens the Premiere episode of Star Trek Picard a hardcore tricky. I know tells me that the same song also so figured prominently in one of the Star Trek movies at a wedding or something. But I'll take his word for it. I've seen and remembered enough from the Star Trek Canon to recognize a Romulo formula when I see one but a lot of the quick and often playful namedrop references in this new series or lost on me. But that doesn't bother me or even madder sadder because what counts is Patrick Stewart as Picard and catching up with him is what makes this newest star trek franchise entry so intriguing. The franchise is is by now a huge one the original NBC series began in Nineteen Sixty six and was cancelled after three seasons. Never once ranking King even in the top twenty five for any of those seasons star trek seemed faded back then to vanish into the TV universe and become a mostly forgotten sixties. Sixties sci fi genre trivia. Answer like land of the giants or the time tunnel except the original star. Trek episodes began being televised heavily. Alien Syndication and Saturday night live demonstrated the shows ongoing appeal with a brilliant star. Trek spoof featuring John Belushi as Captain Kirk and Chevy. You Chase as Mr Spock. A theatrical movie was released in Nineteen seventy nine then two more in the eighties in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven a sequel Gualtieri series was produced star trek the next generation featuring a new crew headed by Stewart's Captain Jean Luc Picard. That lasted seven in years and gave momentum to all the series and movies that have come since including the recent theatrical reboots and such small screen spin offs is deep space nine. Voyager ager enterprise and discovering and now they're star Trek Picard which begins on Earth in the year twenty three ninety nine picard is living the good life long retired and tending to his European vineyard when the anniversary of the tragedy that led to his retirement. Prompts him to revisit that issue on live television television he had tried to show compassion for some galactic refugees seeking asylum an unpopular decision at the time and since the wrongdoings food asked for our help believed we had a profound obligation to give. It felt. There were better uses for our resources. Aiding Federations Oldest Enemy Federation Federation chose to support the rescue efforts. Yes initially I have been known to be persuasive. But the federation ration- undestood. There were millions of lives at stake Romulo unless you laughed the enterprise to command the rescue screw Armata. Ten thousand warp capable fairies a mission to relocate nine hundred million Romulus citizens two worlds outside the blast of a supernova a logistical logistical feat. More ambitious than the Pyramids the pyramids were symbol of colossal vanity. If you want to look for historical analogy dunkirk as the plot thickens in this new series. We learn that all so-called synthetics the type of humanoid hybrid represented by data in Star Trek. The next generation have been taken off line. There's all sorts of intrigue on Earth and beyond which eventually prompts picard to leave his vineyard and leave behind his sour grapes to seek answers from a scientist WHO's a specialist in synthetics she's played by Alison Pill who portrayed. Zelda Fitzgerald in Woody Allen's midnight midnight in Paris and Maggie Jordan Aaron Sorkin. Hbo Series The newsroom. I'm real picard. It's an honor drew. Thank you for giving me the time of. Agnes how can I help you. You can tell me if it is possible to make ascension android out of flesh and blood. No really how can I. Is that why you've come here. Even before the ban that was will well a flash flood ANDROID ANDROID was in our sights but essentially one now for a thousand years. That makes it even more curious that recently I had tea with there there are plenty of other new characters and subplots in Star Trek Picard. There's a deep state conspiracy inside the federation and a mystery to solve and someone to to find and rescue all of which takes a few episodes to establish at some point picard takes to the bridge and says engage and we're off into outer space again but by then because we care so much about picard and about reuniting with him a third of a century after next generation first appeared on TV. We're engaged aged already. They've been coolly is editor of the website TV worth watching and a professor of television history at Rohan University. Fresh Air's executive producer. 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Ep. #541: Peter Strzok, Ewan McGregor

"Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Layton Series Real Time With Bill Maher. And Thank you very much. Wow. Shot of this, going on the. Actual people. Back. I. Have Been Cone Okay. People I, live audience. So we making history and we the first one. During during. Very safely here everybody has been tested socially distance and compensated for their time. Like, like the women at the bar at Nobuko. This is interesting. You can hear people laugh individually at this. I see that guy like that and. Clap Lady didn't. Interesting. Experiment Anyway. I'm so thankful you're here. I'd say you're very brave, but there's no fucking chance you could get it. Look legit a mild. Tested your master spread way apart what we in the distance call ideal for comedy. At least hey, this. Baseball and boy I picked a good good week. To get back to the studio with people because the forecast on my phone today I'm not joking it said smoke. Tomorrow's forecast bladerunner. The. Are you from Los Angeles You're all local right of course. Okay. All right. Well, I mean Jesus Christ the Aaron Los Angeles it was like a cross between Shanghai and my dressing room. Saying was a lot of. The firm sniffly it's because it's shit out there I went I went for a checkup yesterday my doctor, he grabbed my balls and said. Turn your head and stop coughing. Mars out there. Elon Musk the window and said finally I'm home. You. Know there is so much smoke in. Oregon. Right now, you can barely see the tear gas from the riots. Rainsy out there. The ashes falling is seen this. It's like it's snowing ashish. It's like the eighties all over again, my nose is running and there's white powder in my car. And This pissed me off. Did you to write one of the fires is. So this was because somebody parents having a gender reveal party. In, the park and the parents set off a smoke bomb. That we would see if it would turn tank of it, was a girl and blue if it was boy. Proving once again something I've always said the wrong people are reproducing. Electrity we have rolling blackouts out here. In La in California I mean yesterday Nancy Pelosi had to get her hair done by candlelight. And and president trump has been monitoring the fires very closely. He said his heart goes out to the insurance companies. Oh. He's. This guy I tell you it was it's not. It's nine eleven anniversary today. And trump said, he will never forget the moment. When he learned that he had the tallest building in Manhattan. Trump said that. His asshole with area. Sometimes you have to think twice on the fact. That they. Don't get into. But I, tell you two thousand and one were you even alive so many people for that or you were kids I'll tell you it's such a different time I mean back then trump was a punchline with no interest in governing. Yeah. No I mean nineteen years everything is just so different I mean back then if you eight on the sidewalk, you're either homeless or French. and. If you stayed six feet away from someone because they smelled axe body spray that's. because. The virus is. The viruses is apparently not go to a doctor FAO. She said, we're going to have to hunker down because the fall is coming and it could get even worse and La County took him to heart boy today they announced La County did canceled Halloween. They have. No trick or treating no party shit. I had a great costume this year slutty Dr Deborah burks chief is. Now. Get to wear it now. So, they're doctor is in Bob Woodward's new book use got a new book about trump called rage and apparently doctor said trump's attention span is quote like a minus number. And when trump heard that he was furious for about a second. Somebody I don't bag of. Forgotten. All about it. But trump yesterday he held one of his super spreader rallies. He's the president he has super spreader rallies they're in Michigan and he compared his handling of the virus to FDR. The only thing he has in common with FDR's they both had difficulty walking. We've got a great show. Back Peter Hamby and Jessica Yellen are here in person we have real people here to actually. Let. We'll be speaking with the very talented you and McGregor. McGregor's here. Movie Star this show at first up. He is the former FBI deputy assistant director of Counterintelligence Mile Job an author of the new book. Compromise counter intelligence, and the threat of Donald J trump Peter Struck leaders struck. You so much. Okay. Peter are you there on my zoom? I. Am Bill. It's great to be here. Thank you. Let me let's Hope the zoom holds up sometimes it doesn't the first thing I want to ask you is as you know you're a man, your whole life and they're known to be a political. Does it amuse you does it infuriate you what is it do to you that it used to be only a few years ago that it was the the liberals who were suspicious of law enforcement and now that's completely switched. Good guy went to liberals and it's the Republicans. Who who are who think about, what what does that do to you? Know it's crazy and it's hard to imagine how fast that happened and it makes. You wonder how long it's GonNa last and so that you can expand that you know the people cozying up with the Russians are not Pinko Communists liberals anymore you've got turned upside down. So the question is in this topsy turvy world how long is it going to take back revert and whether or not? That happens at all or some bizarre new world of. Domestic political alliances and beliefs, right? Well. Obviously trump put you in a completely impossible position. Say You guys in the FBI you certainly were high up there at the time because he was outrageous behavior he was saying things publicly like Russia if you're listening you know hack. It was ridiculous. You had to look into him. That's my view that you know this crossfire hurricane which was. Looking into whether trump was mentoring you had to do it but it's interesting that once it was done. You know we have to be open minded here. It seems to me your view was that there was not something that happened. Now you said in a private taxed. So we know it was real. You said my gut sense. And concern is that there's no big there there. You said we have not seen. The New York Times had a big story in two thousand seventeen right after trump was inaugurated. Trump campaign aides had reported contacts with Russian intelligence was the headline and you said we have not seen evidence of any of that. He said we are unaware of any trump advisors engaging in conversations with Russian intelligence. Officials that. ME. The Don Jr. Mac and understand the Manafort we've found out was giving polling data to this constant Dean Colombo who has been called a Russian agent why did you say there was no there there We'll see you have to read that last document like a legal document. We were trying to figure out when that New York Times article came out who the hell was talking to the Times because they got a lot of things wrong. But some of the things were accurate and so we were trying to figure out okay. Those sources and when you see when I say no intelligence officers, you've got to think about that like a counterintelligence person and I spent twenty years chasing spies in recruiting people and when I say that I'm talking about a full-fledged foreign intelligence officer. Not Somebody who might be working with them, and that's the kind of person we saw all over the trump campaign, we had them in contact with a foreign policy adviser we had them in contact with the incoming attorney general we had them in contact with the incoming national security adviser and person after person after person, the trump campaign had these undisclosed contact with the Russians that they started and continued not telling the truth about. So when I sit there and look at it, the worst thing could be some big conspiracy kind of run from the top by the president. But it doesn't have to be that to be really bad. It's Kinda like if you walk outside and the entire block has RICCAR has its windows knocked out, you could say, well, we don't think one person did this while every window still knocked out it's still bad and so when I looked at that when I made that comment, I was simply saying, I, don't think trump is sitting like a mastermind on top of all these contacts controlling coordinating what's going on what I thought was a bunch gifters opportunists people trying to make money all sorts of individually pursuing their agendas in a way that made them vulnerable to the Russian intelligence. I think you're right. He's definitely not a mastermind. Honestly. Finally it sounds like a full crowd when. I. I mean I constantly think people give tumors credit for that and I think you're right. It wasn't like that I think it's just the way you described it in fact, Dan Coats who was director of national intelligence while he said, he thinks Putin, has something on trump. Well, that may be true but I think what he has on trump is the knowledge that trump is a giant narcissist or at least that's what I have on drugs. I don't think you need to have something on trump. I learned this couple of weeks ago when Cunanan you know the the total nutcases who think that the world is run by a secret cabal of. Pizza eating pedophile 's. Who eat babies you know I mean they're really out there and trump. was asked about him I i. think they're good people and I take this support whoever says they like him he likes them if it's white supremacist and they say, they like them Them it's Vladimir Putin and he says I think trump is brilliant. Trump is like a love this guy. I don't think it's much more complicated than that right? It's about the narcissism. I think that's one thing. Look if you're if you're trying to deal with somebody that my ip enough but put yourself in the shoes of the SVR or any Russian intelligence service just because something works, you're not gonNA stop with that. So sure Putin he's got a team of psychologists who have looked at trump. They probably know him better than most Americans do they know how to pushes buttons and play him but that's not going to stop them from finding. Other things to hold these leverage over some of that's coming on the public like we had to the mullahs report. The example of trump is on the campaign trail in two thousand sixteen and he tells a crowd I think down in North Carolina I have no financial dealings in Russia whatsoever not the exact same Michael Cohen and others are trying to get a deal at trump tower in Moscow. Well trump knows he didn't tell the truth he know he lied. Putin knows loud and so to maintain that because Putin turns around and says, Hey, look I'm going to tell them the truth in your of your campaign. The people at that rally are GonNa know you lied that gives them leverage. So if you're an intelligence service, you don't stop just because you have one avenue in you keep looking for all these different ways to impact somebody's Acre right. All right. Listen I've heard. You say there are things right now I and others know. From twenty. Sixteen that would damage his candidacy today. What are they? Next week I want you to get the attorney general and the Director of National Intelligence on your show and ask them that and when they say well, we're not going to say ask them why they declassified so much information, which shockingly all seems to support the line and trump that they're putting forward. I can't tell you because it's classified or it relates ongoing investigations or maybe even some stuffed panda in mean anything. What that question is something that ought to be asked if the administration particularly given the way they're just releasing things Willy Nilly that are really really damaging our national security when they do it. So you're you're out of the I know you'd love to have bill bar on your show. Yeah that's going to happen. I've never seen this. So, so you're out of the FBI no. Right yes. Can can you still talk to the old gang? I do I do. And this is what they're telling you now. You can't tell me. No Look I can't you know in terms of what those things a the stuff that's gone on after they don't talk about because I don't have a need to know that unlike the bureau is really really good at keeping secrets. I mean things that should be talked about don't get talked about outside. So again, that goes into the whole area of like you know, I'm GonNA, maintain my security, the things I obligated not to disclose because my clearance and they do the same thing with me. So now I can't I'm not sure what happened after I left all right I wanna ask you one last question is about Hillary Somebody said to you during the campaign because it's it's always interesting to me that you know the FBI goes back and forth now between the champion of liberals are they a champion that conservatives when really I mean it was the FBI in Komi who kind of tip the election to Donald Trump. which is weird because I heard during the campaign I was worried that trump is going to win and then the FBI which they were calling trump landy a- and I think of law enforcement as pretty Republican to begin with I thought Oh as this guy wins I'm in Guantanamo. Bay. Really. I thought Giuliani was going to be headed the FBI what? You still have time. Thanks Pete. Who Was it? WHO said do about Hillary Pete? You've got to get that bitch. So that was somebody who had retired at the time and look your your. Bureau is a conservative place I was born and raised a Republican. Most agents are law and order strong national defense type right. But having said that I'm telling you day in day out for twenty years I never saw an instance where somebody said, hey, we got gotta we have to do this investigative thing either ignore this fact our make this up or leave that out of the right up just didn't happen. That's not the way the FBI works so. Agent has an opinion personal opinion but it doesn't truly. It doesn't hit the. You know what? You don't have to convince me I have no seriously I mean I'm known as a liberal but I've always been a fan of the people who defend our country. I like squared. The anniversary of nine eleven so I'm sure you are involved in that and I thank you for your service and thank you for everything. Okay. Peter Struck. Panel in person. Wow. We're actually people. Valley. All right. You can find here on Instagram at Jessica Yellen where she's the founder of news, not noise from Faraway Jessica Yellen but closer than. I've had in a long time. and. He's the host of snapshots political show. Good luck. American. Contributing writer for Vanity Fair closer to me than other guests have been Peter Hamby. Okay I, WanNa follow up on something we were talking about there I was GonNa talk to Peter About this, but I'll ask you about this. I think they're playing to different rules because. When. George Stephanopoulos asked trump I'm one was that about a year ago? He was in the Oval Office I remember he was like if you've got information from a foreign government. Would you use it? No other president would have ever have said yes. Sharon trump said look at. The rules have changed. The Ukraine impeachment went nowhere. It's like when they put the designated hitter rule in baseball, they changed the rules. Nobody did anything about Ukraine nobody said anything after he told that to stephanopolous. Foreign help is now okay in elections. If Democrats don't get that. The deck is already stacked up against them. They're going to keep losing elections. True. Maybe. But maybe not this election I do think this election is probably a little more baked than people are willing to acknowledge what? I think I think baked baked in favor by this. Big. Set Don Closer to done I. Think the fundamentals of this election strongly favoured Joe Biden, a lot of people regardless of interference in the election. I will say to your point I was talking to a friend today about these very things that trump just continues to push the boundaries and he said he reminds me of a little kid testings parents to see what he can get away with. An he's finding he can get away pretty much anything and what's scary about that is imagine if you have someone with a brain larger than Donald Trump's who comes into office later, right they're going to run stand they can get away with whatever they want and he's he's kind of an innocent and he didn't understand that you can't take. Help from a foreign country. We'd never did that but that's what you would do in business. So he just did it and nobody stopped him at I'm telling you now that's the rule, and if you don't get that, you're just going to be a loser actually think it'll change when you have a different kind of personality in that office, the media and the public will adjust to their behavior. I think trump gets away with this because he is so shameless about it because he is a unconvicted, isn't he the Republican Party? Now he is. Him Not to the party? I. Do think that they're going to revert the Republican Party's heard back to new. Let's see what happens in this election. Let's see how much swath they suffer from. Okay. So it's seven weeks from the election. I WANNA I wanNA talk about what nate silver said this week is he's the guy who cracks the numbers we think better than anybody. Now we know the Republicans have an advantage in the electoral college bite what trump says this is really frightening to me. nate silver says if Joe Biden wins the popular vote by less than one percent wins. Wins the election that's winning the election you only have to win by one vote. But if he wins by less than one percent of the popular vote, he only has a six percent chance. Of become president if he wins by one to two percent. He's got a twenty two percent chance. Of being president wins by two to three, percent, forty, six percent, so we could win by three percent. and. He still has less than half a chance of winning the election. You gotta get up to five to six percent. Four years and ninety eight percent chance of winning the election. That's fucked up country our system is. The Electoral College is bizarre and there is a good argument to change it. I will say though that there's a lot of panic in among democratic supporters that this is a danger zone. If you look at the numbers, Biden's numbers have been unbelievably steady since March he is up consistently six point trump and so a lot of the panic is this worst case scenario catastrophes in given what happened in twenty sixteen but the numbers don't really bear it out right now if you subtracted trump and Biden's name from the top line, Horse race polls and even. Under the hood, we would all be saying there's no way Donald Trump can win. He's losing independence by twenty points. He's losing women which make up half the country by over twenty points like the chances of these fundamental shifting in the next two months would take something overwhelmingly dramatic and the whole. What about? Two Thousand, sixteen thing? It's just not twenty sixteen people have had for years Donald trump a verdict has more or less been rendered since he took office given his approval ratings and Joe. Biden is just not Hillary Clinton he's not I know but what? What they'd silver seeing it doesn't matter because if he doesn't I mean. Five to six percent is a lot. But in this country, that's a big big big victory and if he doesn't get that and racist Titan at the end, you sound like the panels I used to have on right before the. Election I was like. You guys are you guys are whistling past the graveyard? It's very hard to see the case that trump is gonna make between now, and then that is going to swing all the undecideds into his corner if you take for example, this argument. Lawn go ahead you go. He's GonNa. This argument he has around law and Order Democrats are most afraid that that's his winning hand. That actually is not a net plus for him. It's not if you. Will if you now using, it's GonNa show it could I mean do you think could happen I? Mean these are crazy times. Yes but people generally don't like violence in the streets I mean, yes. You're right. When he says I'm the one who's going to protect you. They're not getting that they're not buying that what they're saying is Joe Biden as a healer and we need healing now this is. But. But there's also a lot of craziness out there you know there's a book out there called in Defensive Ludik, which is being taken seriously. There's a Lotta articles in the breast there's a fringe and you understand you know we live in these binary times. So anything anybody on the right does trump pastor on anything anybody does on the left be we're this is the country of your the party of you know you're the candidate whatever the crazy on the left does and I think looting crazy and defending it as some sort of justifiable protest is crazy but biden has to wear that on his back into the election. He's I. Think he's done a pretty good job of not putting on his back for example, when the protests George Floyd for started. It. Was Popular on twitter and in certain corners of left actually defend looting to support defend the police, both of which are actually strongly minority opinions. But there's a lot of pressure from the left on the Democratic nominee. Biden immediately came out give the guy. Credit, he trusts his judgment and has a North Star. He was just like I don't want to defend the police. He's done a pretty good job of not stuff off and the chaos problem actually doesn't it hurts Donald Trump. If, you look at this law and order message in his claims on this it actually consolidate support for him among Non College Republicans his base because it's a message about white grievance. But if you hear what it's doing with Non College Republicans, it's driving away swing voters because swing voters who are who are college educated Republicans think Donald Trump is fostering the chaos. They see him as both the arsonist and the firefighter, and they're not buying, and there's also I think the media has also. After the Republican, Convention, I think the media for a week or two around Kenosha ran with the idea that this was going to help trump when there was actually no polling data to bear that out at all even ABC News. How to pull last week thirteen percent of non college whites like that is the purest distillation of trump's base thought trump would do thinks he's helping the protests like he's like Republicans. The property job on the property discretion destruction issue because there's a lot of talk now, I thought in the news today Lululemon? Had a workshop where they said resist capitalism. Why they sell a one hundred and fifty dollar leggings. Lululemon is saying is this capitalism and there's a book called indefensible and you know and then we had a primary where there was a candidate Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. We're talking a lot about you know a wealth tax and a lot of wealth confiscation and there's just there's just a feeling out there. Now again, it's on the far left, but things tend to migrate what property. It's different than life and it is different than life you know you were. Kind of like compare them like the like they're comparable like well, you know if you take somebody's life that's permanent. But if if you if you wreck their business that can be replaced and this is a a sort of a justifiable way of protesting and it's a form of reparations and you taking I'm not down with this properties on the table. As something we can just take because things are not right. That's to me. That's not the way to redress our problems by throwing a brick through the window. Where's this mass destruction of property happening right now if you look at PORTLAND, it's two square blocks the cameras this. Kenosha. You're a moment it. How we've had we had it here in L. A.. Their stories I've been to that I saw on the news wiped out, and those were moments of protest because we have throughout our history and we don't know who is involved in the protest. You know the people who are activating for racial justice change necessarily the people who are breaking windows and causing there is a there is a. Most of them are not. But there is a there is a view and it's in the media. Please I. Know You've seen it. Don't look at me like I'm making this up. That somehow, this is a justifiable approach. Well, is it part of protest I mean, how isn't that what? You believe. I'm asking I believe that because I think if you're a regular guy, there was this guy you of Papa John's franchise and he was yelling through his broken glass, you're going to elect trump and I'm just trying to feed my family I don't think his view was just like Salah v property. Do you think you're right that there's been a drift of the sort of goes back to like two thousand fourteen when there were protests that ms right after their protest at the University of Missouri like. That sort of campus thinking has drifted into the national press. It has drifted into democratic politics where you have these very academic debates about. Trump sort of ridicules them as critical race theory that stuff percolates on the Internet absolutely and certain Democratic candidates in the primary ran with it. But again, that's fluff Joe Biden again but the guy has his has his northstar. Is that regular guy and row scranton or Rochester? He understands I think that. America's political values are not derived from the Internet. They are. He is. He just doesn't live in what wire so many columnists than saying he needs to have a sister souljah moment. You know sister soldier was the one I, I. I don't think you deserved the you know getting the reputation and that that gets for the same reasons that that journalists ran with the idea that Kenosha would help trump just because we in the press always think there needs to be something new some event that changes things. What's next this week? What's happening the week after that and just kind of just been saying I think the racist fairly steady this whole time and like that's kind of boring Ori-. Okay. Yeah. The protests be made more complex because there is a piece of the protests that are the people who are actually asking for policy changes and that piece of this discussion gets ignored. Don't talk enough about. We end up having this conversation about looting about windows being broken just like the media puts the camera on that but there is another piece of this conversation to. Pursue being an. Only really I don't do you under do people understand what de-fund the police means broadly people. So confused about what that could be but I can you know the people who you're talking about very often are data free I mean, i. saw the me screaming last week at Rand Paul, not my favorite politician but saying, say her name and Rand Paul had written a bill with Brianna Taylor's name in it Rand Paul. He's the one guy you shouldn't be screaming about this for because he's Mr Libertarian he was always for things like let's not have these. No knock police. And, there Will be justice for Briana. Taylor bill that he introduced and they're screaming at him say Burnett and there was learned something before you do that there was another video. With a big hand for learning. Learning. burning. And other video. That went viral last week in Washington DC. A woman was sitting outside at a restaurant in a herd of white protesters and told her razor fist turned out. She marched and giving money to a variety of bill causes a Democrat that I know you sort for Obama works in and she just wanted to finish your dinner cracked by the way if you're even if she hadn't done that, you're allowed to eat dinner. I don't have to do it twenty, four seven because you do. Dinner and still be down with the call. And she she made the point in a follow-up bed in Washington Post saying. This is not how persuasion works and politics was pretty smart but a Democrat who works in Democratic Tech circles text me last week. About a video in Pittsburgh going viral showing similar. Yeah and he was pulling his hair out because these things get so much attention on the Internet and he says, he was suggesting that this is the perfect Chom for Russian trolls and Chinese people Chinese trolls on the Internet they're not making a fake news anymore. Really. I think this is what the twitter Audie obsesses over. The twitter Audie is the media but I spent day you. Just, shouldn't read but it is. I talked to swing women voters all day. Long I talked to swing women voters all day long. INSTAGRAM. And they do not bring this up. This does not register on their transom with care about is when The lululemon you. Say the same thing I think the media and the twitter elites and people on the Acela quarter talk about these things and the folks you're talking to a to don't. I think we both agree on that. Let me. Let me interrupt here because Breaking News. Jessica crew is in the news. He I didn't know who the fuck that was either. Jessica crew. Respected, black activist author in history Professor George Washington University who turns A white Jewish girl. She admitted this week in a bomb show. Essay that she has not been black after all all along. She's white and Jewish remember Rachel Dollas all here we're having it again so. We found out that there's some things about Jessica. Crew that we're really telltale signs that she was actually. White and. Would you like to hear some them? Example. She liked tweets the crown. Right there. I. Mean. She can tell the property brothers apart. Okay this. She's Mindy Utah on purpose. I'm seeing the pattern here. Her favorite rappers, William Shatner. Without a rap record is that. Okay. she celebrates her birthday for six weeks. White girls who do that She follows Jul on instagram. Her purse is full of tiny dog. She can tell the difference between country songs. and. She sings along with the music in the supermarket. Okay. So Let me ask you this question about Jessica crew. This. I'm a white person, but I get to say on black. That Rachel Dulles, all pioneered first of all I. think There's GonNa be more of this. Now, why? Because I think it's hip or. Tipped to be black. I mean. I I know it's like the worst thing in the world to to to to mark that we've made a lot of progress which is stupid because you can say, yes, we still have a lot of work to do which we do to vital issue racism but we have made a lot of progress fifty years ago. Would any white person like want to say, Oh, I'm a black person. That wouldn't happen in nineteen twenty or nineteen thirty or even nine, hundred and sixty probably, but my question is. Like you can say you're a different gender. Why is that? Okay but you can't just say, well, I identifies a different race. I do think she is the worst like embodiment of the performance of white liberal. Just Crew Jessica crew like she is she is Labor again. The one I just heard about two hours ago. She's like the Sasha Baron Cohen Caricature of Bill. AOL Apologize. Quite. Come to life, right? But I don't know I do think you. You have a point that it is cool to perform your virtue on the Internet in an era where identity politics is a currency for better or worse on the Internet. and. This happened five years after Rachel. Dole's also like Rachel Dole's happen. She saw it and she was like I'm going to double down. Five years. Man I. Really Hope we don't see more of this though that would be and what should what should the attitude of of right thinking people be about Roy like this is. Ridiculous people make choices in life. This is a bad choice. Like a mental health problem which. She wrote about this version of. It is I agree but isn't it? Partly, a mental problem health problem with a lot of white people who have like this ridiculous level of white loading about themselves. I don't share stories like this really that you haven't seen the video of people washing black people's feet. Now. I do think that there's a lot of that now. But there is like you know we're holier than you and watch my feet not to pivot back to keeping back the presidential race. But throughout the Democratic primaries White College educated. Liberals like voted for you know. Was with Warren Bernie. Sanders. But like black folks voted for Joe Biden. Black. Folks poll after poll oppose defunding the police sort of oppose. These current. Political issues that surface on twitter and favor moderate Democratic candidates I. Mean I do think that a lot of these opinions seem like they're mainstream because they're on the Internet when in reality they're not. No I don't think they're mainstream I. Mean I don't think they're a lot of this stuff I. think There's a black silent majority. That has been throughout throughout this year. This is so boring. Thank two kinds of swing voters most important voters through this whole election have been over forty black people and over forty suburban white people who wear khaki pants or not sexy people to. The. Press not young Ernie types not. Entertaining, but they are the ones turning out section after those black people want more policing or at least amount of they have I mean. The the Democrats. Oh good. You know the the radicals were like we have. We have a primary with all these radical candidates and the black folks were like, no let's let's go with Joe. Biden practical or the governor of Virginia. Member that. Let's get rid of the Government Virginia and the black folks were like, no, you know what? He made a mistake. We got it. He's a good guy. He's going to help us and he did he won reelection and he got all the progressive things that everybody wanted passed and they're extraordinarily motivated to get rid of Donald Trump and that's why this race has been. So steady from US unlike the Hillary trump back and forth remember at this time then everyone's. Talking about how we have two candidates. When likes we can't stand our choices Europe hear that conversation this time like the Democrats aren't complaining they are focused and it's because the majority of the party especially, the black community is single minded about doing what they can't get rid of Donald Trump and all of this conversation is the equivalent of focusing on looting like it's the side show where the momentum is about focusing on November third and getting rid of trump. Any. It'd be a sideshow unless you your business that got. Wiped out you know I mean if it's your business, then it's not a site joke focus groups have born this out academic research is born this out black voters are skeptical of big promises are skeptical of ideologues they're skeptical of. Radical change they have been fucked over for so long that they just want. They wanted to trust somebody who can just make government work from that make. Right Throwers Barack Obama. Government nerds who know how to actually make change their the people who improve people's lives. Incremental Change. Government makes me and my family every day. And by the way, all the all the people who were chanting at that lady at the there were all white. All the people that were surrounded. We're going to run out of time nine eleven anniversary we have a minute any thoughts it's been nineteen years I saw a picture today of Joe Biden going up to Mike, Pence and today and doing the little elbow. And off to the side you saw like Jerry Nadler and Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand of new. York. Luminaries. Again, a picture doesn't tell the whole story, but there were kind of looking this way to me that sort of. Embedded a little bit of Joe, Biden and his. Realistic or not but like he's okay, right trying to like talk to somebody from the you have to even if the Democrats win the election, half the country and all the Republicans are not going to self deport. Have to work together. All right. He has the Golden Globe Brigham out well, zone the Golden Globe winning actor whose latest motorcycle Docu series long way up premiere September eighteenth on Apple TV plus your McGregor's with us. Sir. Okay you I must tell you I've been watching you in the movies and enjoying you greatly for so many years and I realized this week as I was doing all the research I know nothing about you. We never met and yet I feel like I hardly know you. I learned so much had no idea. You were such an adventure you're like the European Sean Penn.. List of countries where you've gone and done heroic work Congo in Iraq, and endurance for HIV and land mines in child poverty and malnutrition. These. Are What the president calls the Shithole countries. You must have a high do you have a high threshold for danger? No really big appetite for adventure I think is the difference you know I I love going out into the world and find myself in places that you wouldn't normally travel and I've done that. Was My Charlie on motorcycles since two, thousand, four, two, thousand, four, we rode from. London to New York. So we went east across Europe. Into Crane Russia. Kazakhstan Russia Mongolia Far Eastern Russia, and then we flew to Alaska all the way around to New York, and then in two thousand seven, we wrote done through the African continent's we left the top Scotland and we rewrote to Capetown an M.. We just did them for you. Know we did them for I of a sense of adventure Charlie. I have done. We met twenty five years ago we've been best May. So we've always loved motorcycles. We just wanted to go for an adventure. We decided to shoot them as documentaries called long way so long long. Long Way up and this one you go from the tip of South America and you come up back here to L. A. and I just ended these bikes you're on this time was electric. Now don't you need charging station they're charging stations when you going through rural South America. No the aren't there. Are. Places where electricity exists you know and occasionally we would have to. You know we plug in people's houses or we plug in and Hostile or hotel or a bar or restaurant or wherever we wear. We just ask people if they minded if we plugged into bike sin an across the board everyone was happy to do it and then and then occasionally we went not we would we would get stuck and then we would have to find somewhere that generator. That's how people make their electricity down there anyway. But it was pretty pretty daunting. Through Parts Gone Africa desert and things that will have to climb to very high altitudes and. We had to learn a lot of time Harley. Davidson made this electric bike called the livewire, which is a beautiful cycle, but it wasn't. It wasn't for sale yet when we did the trophy left last September Mirage just before Christmas and. We asked them to make a version of their lives that more of an adventure bike and. It was it was just an amazing. It was an amazing experience to do electric. It was if it was a different a different experience from doing another two trips for sure. Wow I have a tesla which is. where it's got a three hundred mile range, I won't go to coin. But that's you know I'm not. Somewhere. Rage. To charge on the way somewhere or no For my car. Driver Yeah I mean I charge it in my garage and I never? Go anywhere. I mean we're locked down. You know where the fuck am I gonna go but. But so you're in these out of the way places. Shall we say? Is Part of the attraction there because. No one knows who you are or did they were there indigenous peoples in the Andes who knew who you were? No No. There was people in the cities in new who was, and then you generally speaking when we're out in the cuts in the middle of the countryside. No, but it's not a reason to do it. I. Don't people ask is a reason is that the reason why you do it's it's not I don't have a life that I feel like have to escape from. A toll so It's just the adventure of it really but it is nice. Isn't that nice to travel at that anonymously for sure. So I know about you have known forever I can hear it in your voice your Scottish. Where are you on Scottish independence because I don't know if people even know the history I think people have a feeling. You know if they even know that the United Kingdom is really an empire, there's England at the center of it, but but my people, the Irish people Scottish people are conquered peoples were Celtic. Anglo saxons which are really Germans. Were Celtic people I mean the the people in Ireland didn't even speak English when the when the English conquered them. So but the but the Scottish, your voted against their own independence in the past where are you on that? Well I never I never I I was always Keeping the union I I it worked it works. And then after the Brexit vote I, think for sure I've changed my tune about it I think I think Scotland have been voting for government that they haven't been given for years we've very Left Voting Country Scotland, and we've been under conservative rule all through my childhood. and. So I think probably enough's enough and I think after the Brexit vote when you know the shooting in Scotland, losing this follow on film to trainspotting nights of the Brexit vote. and. The next day, they showed the people that voted for to stay in Europe where on the map in yellow and the people have voted to leave or blue on the map was split in half Scotland's yellow and England's blew part from a little bit run London And I just thought that set. Again we're not the people want to stay in Europe in the European Union and the English don't just think we're living in different. We're going in different directions so. I think probably it's time I. Just think probably it's time I think once Boris became prime? minister. Scotland was light right I said we're fucking here. To me I know. I took my mother to see the movie down with love. Remember that when you in. A I fucking. Loved it. I don't know people at the time remembered rock Hudson and Doris Day. But. It's one of my favorites and you detained me a lot and I thank you for coming on. Thank you McGregor. All right time for a new rules everybody. Pure, all the only thing gender reveal parties reveal is that the baby's parents are morons. and. If you start a massive wildfire with your gender reveal party, you have to go live someplace it's not hot and dry. Have all the babies you want in Saskatoon but quit burning down California. Off you've heard but babies earn born here with a gender anyway. New Rule. Now that Canada's top doctor is advising people hooking up for the first time to avoid kissing and face to face contact to wear a mask during sex. Porn. Hub has to introduce new category step. Mom does it know she's fucking stepson. I've heard how was it for you? After sex I've never heard sorry I thought you were someone else. Neuro the veterinarians at a Polish Zoo who say they've been conducting a study of the stress relieving effects of marijuana on elephants have to admit what really happened. You're high. And someone said, let's get the elephants stoned. And you did. and. By the way we just makes elephants paranoid. They spend the whole night. They did I leave my trunk open. Before the NFL season starts for real doctor. Faucher has to tell us if it's safe for brose to chest bump each other after a touchdown while screaming that's what I'm fucking talking about. Just. New Orleans okay. To have coffee mugs that say things like caution I haven't had my coffee yet. Then addicts of other drugs can have the same. Like the cocaine vial that says I'll start working when my cocaine does. I arrange that says we after my Herald Okay and finally new role someone must tell all the parents who now say that the recent homeschooling has left them with the new appreciation for teachers. It's about time. This week parents across America face the harsh reality that after spring with the kids home all the time in a summer with the kids home all the time. We may have a fall and winter with the kids home all the time. which is not only nerve wracking. It's destroying mom's relationship with the Gardner. Yeah summer is ending, but for parents summer was never the vacation when the kids go back to school. That's vacation. Why do you think summer camp was invented? It wasn't teach you survival skills to get you the house. They're calling online classrooms distance learning. Distance for. The kids are right there at the kitchen table. All Damn Day. Distance Schools were for. To provide a five day a week break from having to deal with those little shits on Christmas, Card. No wonder sixty, nine percent of parents now say that being teacher is a harder job than their own. And eighty percent say they have a newfound respect for teachers? Great. Okay but how about we go beyond giving teachers newfound respect how about we also give them the benefit of the doubt. Ask. Any teacher what their number one complaint is and it's helicopter parents sticking their noses in. Doing their kids work for them, trying to adjust grades and undermining discipline. You have two kids and you WANNA strangle them. Can you imagine having to do with an entire classroom full of tiny sticky strangers? It used to be the teacher would send home a report card about the behavior of the child. Now, it's behavior of the teacher that gets judged. I've heard it from teachers, many times, parents saying things like, but my daughter's studied really hard for this test. Yeah but she got all the answers wrong. That's what matters in life results not just trying not just participating. When everybody gets a trophy, the only people who win are the people who make trophies. If children don't learn that life can be full of disappointments. They won't be ready for marriage or Democrat primaries. If your kid gets a D don't blame the teacher tell your child you should have worked harder. You should've buckled down more now go to your room and do whatever it is. You do there on your Webcam. And the next time. There is a classroom disagreement where teacher says one thing and your kid says another. Side with the teacher. I'm mark the onset of American declined to the moment parents started siding with their children instead of with the teachers. Seriously Kids may be cute but they're also relentlessly manipulative little weasels. Who can only be contained with a united front mom. Dad, and the teacher used to form an iron triangle tight threesome like Jerry Falwell his wife in the old boy. Kids couldn't get away with Shit and they were so much healthier for it. Helicopter parenting or bulldozer parenting whatever you WANNA, call it. It isn't good for anybody not the teachers not the parents not the kids. and. The idea that kids have two little self esteem it's antiquated. Damned equated, they have too much now and it's turning them into angry screaming grievance collectors and all of that childhood tolerance Israel resulting in up tyrants. It's no wonder by the time they get to college just having to listen to an opinion they don't agree with is considered an active violence. Oh Yeah doesn't even end when the kids leave the house parents go on job interviews with their kids now. A study a few years ago found that thirty percent of employers had gotten resumes written by the applicants parents. Fifteen percent reported fielding complaints from apparent. When they didn't hire the kid. And yet, somehow our economy's falling behind China's weird If. In the future, a teacher takes your kids phone. Just, tell that teacher. Thank you. Thank you for doing something I, locked the balls to do years ago. All right. Let's go back here. Thank you so much. Thank you. WanNa, Thank Jessica Yellen, Peter Hamby word McGregor, and Peter Struck. We'll be back next week from the studio I hope. Thank you very much. You. Real, time with Bill Maher every Friday night at ten or watch him anytime on each be on demand for more information log on HBO DOT Com.

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Ruger No. 1 Rifles, Surprise Carry Permit: Gun Talk Radio|11.17.19 C

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Ruger No. 1 Rifles, Surprise Carry Permit: Gun Talk Radio|11.17.19 C

"Crimson trace now offers a complete line of electronics sites ranging from fixed magnification battle site to reflect sites with the latest power management features purpose is built in versatile find yours at Crimson trace dot com. Welcome Tom Gresham's gun talk. Tom where a right is always right not a privilege. Don't I'll write back to gun talk. Tom Rushmere if you'd like to join us. It's easy. Just give me a call. Tom Talk Gun. It doesn't get an easier net phone. Call US Tom. Talk Gun if you you've been thinking about buying a gun but you need permission man. That's what I'm here for our give permission to buy a new gun every single time I am the great enabler give me a Holler. We'll help you out there. I actually have been doing. I guess a bit of self enabling recently I got a couple of of new guns actually wanted to new guns because I've got three. I've laid out her ruger number ones. That talked about here. You know what out hunting in Idaho. It took the two fifty seven Roberts which I've had for some time. Got That from the good folks over Lipsey say are the pretty much exclusive distributor for number ones now and then I picked up a two fifty seven to wetherby from them. Recently in a stunning piece would just gorgeous. Jason gave me hollered said. Hey AAC come take a look at this thing and just like Oh yeah. I don't need a to fifty seven whether it be but oh my gosh look at that would so. It's there and in the process. I get to talk with Jason Klaus Rover. It Lipsey said well you know the guru of number ones is the guy you need to talk to Lee Newton over classic sporting arms. So that's what we're going to do right now. We're joined right now by the Guru of Number Ones Newton. Haley how are you. I'm here I'm good. How did you get started on the number one kick? Oh that's a long story too long for this. But basically I met Joe Clayton. Who wrote the book on Number Ones Back in nineteen eighty three and I'd met Joanne in nineteen seventy seven and he got me hooked on collecting number one? I was actually hunting with one at the time. So it's kind of been a forty plus year affair with the shooting hunting and collecting number ones. And actually since I'M GONNA fail ideal exclusively right and your website. I'll people take a look at it. It's Sir Classic. Sporting arms dot com. What is it for backup? There are people out there who don't know what we're talking about Ruger number one is a a single shot rifle it holds one cartridge. There's no magazine there's no repeating action. It's a falling block by guests based on the Far Clarkson Design Right That's generally resembles that from the standpoint of the lever but I think the sharps also implants the designers okay fair resembles the Far Carson. Right all right so it is an exceptionally strong action. Is it not it is if you re Joe's Book Lynn Brownell. Who was in on their development said we tried to blow him up never could so yes? It's a very and it's been chambered in just an amazing amazing number of caliber. Short runs but I mean everything from twenty two hornet two four five eight winchester and maybe even lot auto or maybe bigger staff who knows. Actually there's a four fifty eight lot in the really biggest one is the four fifty nitro express three and a quarter was done in the Craig Boddington elephant accent and I should have smallest ones the two for rigor. Oh that's true twenty Galarraga thought of that. That's right. Yeah twenty caliber. Yeah two four. which is there's there's about there's about sixty five chambers right now that our factory production raffles? So let's that's quite an right now. For a long time rigor he would have a whole list list of number ones out there and you could get all these different calibers. And then some years ago they cut back and they were doing just a very few cal towards the situation with them. Now well they go back to what you mentioned. In two thousand and thirteen when lychees became the exclusive distributor. They're gonNA offer one configuration and one caliber and it Kinda resulted in the fact that their production is only about three thousand number. One's a year right now and that goes back if you look at my website. There's some years they actually produced thirty thousand. Oh Wow that His you just can't make you know with only thirty thousand a year. You can't make that many different varieties right so all right so I see I want to hear about your to fifty seven weather but then following that thread that you know I mean Okay there's nothing about this makes any sense all right. We'll start off with that right so but the good news is is when it comes to guns. It doesn't have to make sense. We just fall in love with stuff. That's absolute this was one of those drop dead gorgeous. I'd actually sent a note to Jason. Said look if you do you have a six point. Five create more in really really nice piece of wood and for those who don't know we're talking about Jason Closer over at Lips. He's kind of their Lipsey. He is the Guy Start Product Development manager and he's been the driving force behind all of these various Lipsius exclusive number one since about nineteen ninety nine. Yeah he's he's a real gun guy so he sends me no bag says I don't he says but I did find this and he sends me a picture and it's kind of like. Oh my gosh look look at the on that thing. Some of those. There's weatherbys of the last runs. Were just unreal. It is it is and a forearm is gorgeous as the bloodstock which is amazing. Yeah it's like like okay if you're really looking for a really nice would Six five more got one. Tell me that no. I'll tell you the one you have. That has my attention. I'm sitting. I've been drooling over. It is you've got this joke Layton model in two eighty uh-huh tell me about the ackley improved. Oh Lord that's another long story about a year ago. Joe had made an American Bolt Bolt action up into the game proved he was really impressed with it and he came on this leak. Why don't we see if we can get rid of them? I guess and number one and two eighty phrase joe no way. They're undo that but in a little research it. Is Sammy SPEC. So you know that is they would do that. They said well. We don't have a caliber to Pam role mark and we don't have the chamber rumors and that's well that's not a problem album but it rocked on Iraq down. Golly bet in August they sentencing. We're GONNA do it. Mike Hundred Twenty five of them. The servers started off with a J. D. Dash Zero Zero one three J. D. C. dish. One twenty five and Joe got numbers one two and three and the other thing about him as they all just had near outstanding ending. Would like your weather. Yeah just it's unreal. That would that's an so. Are we really enjoyed with Joe. Joe Shot a good white till book. Already I shot really nice access with mine and Have have a pretty big white tail planned for this weekend. GonNa use it again for those who may not be aware the to the ackley improved improved. Peo- -actly that's the acronym prove you can shoot factory AMMO. It will just fire for them out to become you. You can't and you can't shoot to eighty remington back grandma in it right and then you heard the dishes are people shooting it and got really good accuracy but back improvements basics puts a forty degree shoulder on the case right and straightens the walls out just a little bit you know you get a real improvement and if you studied the two eighty you know a Near approaches Similar remake ballistics with a lot less powder. And I've had one for a long time there's actually made by Kenny Garrett for my dad Way Back big proponent of that way back he would load now he would vote 'em hot he said. Look we're going to be pushing right at seven meg velocities. But you don't have to go quite that much but it's now you're also what's the twist rate on this. I'm not oh sure I know I. I've always trusted the factory to get the right. Twist right in my just shoot okay Now the question I have for you is the ones you have there. You have some already. Have Really Gorgeous would have they've all got Garza's with a member a little more gorgeous than others. Yeah there's just oh yeah and it also has twenty five inch barrel. It's the one which the lighter weight version which is what my problem with my twenty to fifty seven wetherby is it's the one B and it's heavier a a lot to carry up and down those mountains but this one you have. It's it's not a mountain rivaling day that it's a good uh main field or or blind rifle where you don't have to carry it far. They won't be but The one with the twenty eight inch barrel. Yes but you're like a dream this letter. I'm Tom they've letter to pick pick me out of Nice and put it in the corner simply his special number. You'd like if it's still available. I don't know give me some I ah I don't I'm not gonNa tell you on the radio somebody else jump in there. Okay but yeah. You're a little earlier. I I've got to ask you about is is a bigger red label over and under shotgun serial number. I think one fifty something and it won't but He acts all at the five. Actually it's Oh really neat shotguns. Yes they are Ruger really gorgeous so family then you know what we actually sold. Most of those after dad died okay. So there's some rigor collectors out there that have some of those scattered around. I'm in that category okay. But I don't have well I appreciate it. I mean when you tell somebody somebody says. What is the deal about the number one? Why do you love so much how you had to explain it? Well it happened. Explain it by that When I used a bolt action rifle shot it there I use? I never never even reloaded. I always children with one shot and I want I need more then and then I had a chance to handle a room number one in about nineteen seventy two and I just kind of fell in the way they feel You know they're shorter their overall shorter by four and a half inches than regular bolt action with the same Maryland. Because they don't ever so they don't have that they don't have the action actions much shorter. They just carry well. They balanced well when you carry them. They balanced where they're supposed to Porto PORTA. Fat You're blind and sit there and just admire you. Listen I have pictures of my rifle at various places the hunt just put it out and take pictures of it out in the country. Just because it's just that gorgeous now I do want to go back to the idea that there's no repeating action here because if you have a twenty five inch barrel which you have on the special. It is the same link as a bolt actually has a twenty one inch barrel if you have a twenty two inch barrel number one. It is short short. I mean we're talking short eighteen inch barrel other rifle so you know we're all linked US rivals only forty one and a quarter inches. They're a sweet. Oh It's short and say we can do this a long time talking about this. But I'm just GONNA say a different way. We're going to do this because we're going to get together at some point whether it's hot or just looking at guns. They're doing something because I want to get together with you. Talk about this some more. Okay Oh we can do it all right so maybe I can run into your show or then or next year I used to try to make those Hanson. I will be there if you're going to be shot Joe. Happy that we're making a appoint to get together. I want to direct people to your website. Classic Sporting Arms Dot Com. If you want to know more about Ruger number one by one or especially when to Joe has take a look that Joe thank you so so much all right you take care. I do love those rifles. If you haven't looked at one go take a look at it if you don't if you if you you see it I'm Lee Newton. I'm sorry say jars looking at the Joe Clayton Lee Newton there. I appreciate Yeah Li Newton and it's the Joe. Oh Clayton classic. Is the the rifle itself so there you go look at it drooling over this rival Joe Clayton Classic is put together by Lee Lee Newton at classic sporting arms. There you go all right right back after these important messages Brownell dot com is your home for all things firearms looking for retro rifle. How about the FBI? One eighty or one eighty s named one of shot chose best products of two thousand nine hundred nineteen visit Brownell dot com for guns ammo reloading equipment mentor. 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Thanks to blink home security just got easier visit blinkprotect dot com slash gun talk blinkprotect dot com slash slash gun. Talk is also available at Amazon and at best buy blink is an Amazon Company and it works with Alexa number. Eight six six talk gun. Lucas called in the state of New York. Hello Luke what's on your mind sir. GRESHAM I. I have a field report Yesterday was opening day and upstate New York well the southern zone but it's upstate And I was hunting with my uncle and another gentleman named Stephen Stephen and we just got into our positions in my uncle was going to go up and see if he could move some deer and no more out of sight than did he get ed than I see a deer come out. I thought it was a doe and then I see this face on the ground just chasing the doe and my uncle said if they get to the other side of the ravine you can't shoot him said okay so you're moving fast. By the time I got a shot on him he was in the room and I kinda hit him in the front brisket area. Because that was the best shot that I could take I was using my dad's old Mossberg five hundred hundred with a Romeo five red dot courtesy of one Ryan Russian. Thanks for that and You know he crashed into the ravine and he kinda crashed again and got up and got out and lay down and got up and he started to walk. Walk away and walk away and then the neighbor shot and the neighbor shot a couple more times only dropped man so and he was probably about a hundred yards away from me so I waited a few minutes and then I got down and I went onto the other side of Wien and I see a blood test everywhere you know and I'm dragging it and I knew the neighbor was there and I see him in his dance. So I walk over to a macy's me comment and we way we did the introductions. His name was Brian and I said I said you shooting at that bucket. He goes yeah I said well. Let's let's see if we can find it so we went didn't we looked for it and and We found it and we both looked at over and he goes boy. I don't think I hit this year so I'm starting my little. Oh happy dance. You know 'cause when my uncle for fifteen years and then we're going to have you told him that you shot the near. Oh Yeah Yeah. He knew he knew why. shot the deer slug. Yeah I use a slug huge. And he was using a rifle three away all right so my uncle had come over you know. We're on the radio communicating the whole time and everything and then He looks at here over any asked Brian Brian would he was using and he goes on a three eight and he goes okay. Well there's a whole right there. That's not a twelve gauge. I'm like Oh man he goes. Let's see what kind of damage was done in here. So we start to dress it out and everything he's in in. My shot went through the brisket and went out the left side behind the left leg and I've literate along. But he was still moving on one that didn't hit the heart or anything like that. I need to speed it up. I'm run out of time here. So what happens you will. We determine happened was it was Bryant. Shot that dropped the deer. It was his dear and it pains me to say that but I think that was the right call then You know we didn't fight about it. It's just a deer. It's not worth fighting over. We had a beer later that night and it was a great experience. Thirteen point monster. Though he can so let me ask you a question you hit this dear somebody else anchor that he got it use it. Okay your deer. How do you feel about it now? You know I feel fine about. Ah I'm broken up because it was a big deer you know. It was a nice wall hanger but I still feel that it's the right decision. It was the bright call. He was he he was great about it. He was willing to say yeah. I miss that deer when he looked at over and he didn't find that whole. My uncle could allied for me and said he didn't worry any kind of people were very ethical various possible now. Here's the real question for you. Did you. At least get your picture taken with the deer I did and I got my picture taken with him and I gave him my my. Shell shocked the deer with and this morning I I shot a nice little eight point which is still a dear. I've been able to take home It's GONNA be one of those hunting stories and my family's Oh he's Never GonNa let me live it down to the next year it's going to be. That was thirty point. State hung that thing up in his barn fifteen feet up every every year. A deer camp. This is GonNa be the same story is going to be a toddler. And deers GONNA get bigger and bigger than shots. Going to get longer. Congratulations to you on your eight point. Congratulations on the way you you guys handled this situation. It could have gotten ugly in the past. Has You guys hand but like gentlemen. I'm glad you got your picture taking with the buck though. That's very cool. That is great. Great if you have a range report or in this case a field report out doing some shooting or some honey give me a holler. Eight six six talk gun. I'm Tom Gresham. We'll be right right back with more gun. Talk New Milo Lard. Bottom junior under assistant deputy assistant director deputy affairs for the Parliament of Homeland Security with a special message for listeners of Tom. GRESHAM's gun talk. We know L.. Who you are we know where you are there right by your radio? We have special cameras. That didn't seem to your radio by a special monitor built into my aluminum foil helmet. We are watching you. Don't try anything. Funny Buster sometimes comes a story that the temptation is great to mock it to have fun with it to go. Well Yeah and the other hand. You're thinking yeah but but the good thing so do you really want to market okay. The interest yes. Of course I do. Of course I do. Justice Department has ruled rolled out a new program to COM combat gun violence. They're going to combat gun violence attorney. General William Bar announced a new initiative Wednesday that would better enforce the US gun background check system coordinates state and federal gun cases and ensure that prosecutors quick they update databases to show when a defended can't possess a firearm because of mental health issues. The push is known as project Guardian. It was unveiled at a news conference in Memphis Tennessee alongside officials from because e on the same day Publican peach hearings against president. Donald trump began. So there's no media coverage of it of course as part of the program Ram. US prosecutors. Were coordinate with state and local enforcement officers to consider potential federal charges when a suspect is arrested for weapons weapons. Possession is in persons believed to be used a gun to commit a violent federal crime. Okay for oh I don't know twenty twenty five years I've been saying on the radio here here. Yeah No. We already have a way to do something about this. We have convicted felon so use guns in violent crime and we cannot get the federal government to prosecute him. It's a federal crime. It's against the law. You cannot get a US attorney to take the case. It's extremely rare and I always say look we have them. We have them arrested. We have them in state or local custody. They're being charged with crimes if we can send them to club Fed we're federal. Time is real time at the very least we get them off the street for that period of time and even better perhaps it becomes somewhat of a deterrent in other words. How many times have all of us said we All ready have the laws on the books. There's no need to pass pass additional gun restrictions because that's all it is it's restrictions on gun owners if you would just enforce the current laws. You could make a huge dent in this as well as I read this project. Guardian is exactly that enforce the current laws get the feds to work together with the state and local local law enforcement authorities understand. I'm glad they're doing it. It's just one of those things you go in my heavens. We have been saying this this for quite literally for decades. I mean I'm glad you're there okay. And you're right. The first they do on these a lot of these cases they plead away. The gun charge arch plead guilty to the breaking and entering or for the assault. We'll give you the gun charge in this case should go down. I don't know how we're going to send you away because it's okay. Could we can give you ten years we can give you ten years for felon in possession of a gun commission. Violent crime is going to make an impact on other criminals. I don't know but I know that person that person will not be committing crimes. At least not on us out here so it's a good thing. Let me just say this Real Ram Pat Myself on the back and PAT everybody else on the back. This comes out of the firearms industry. Gun makers are the ones who put this together and worked with the Department of Justice worked with attorney general bar the gun makers defy arms. Industries Industry's the one that did the fix knicks program. Where they said okay? We know there are a lot of people should be on the database that are not prohibited people and so when and you do a background check they don't show up. I mean we. We had the famous case in Sutherland Springs Texas where the guy should have been on the list because of what happened with him in the Air Force wasn't passed the background check. So we have a better. You know if you're going to have a background check. You need a good accurate database. I don't think he gave us wants somebody who is dangerous to have access to a gun. I think we're all on the same page on that if someone is a convicted felon or someone has been adjudicated as middle incompetent. That person is prohibited by law from owning a gun for buying a gun. How you GONNA do well? They have to be on the list. They have to the database. So what fixed Knicks was. And you know this is where I got a problem with Gio and you know I always have a problem that Gio because frankly weekly in all the years of appearing in front of the legislature. Good friend of mine who appears for the legislature on all of the guns you says the. NRA is always there with their lobbyists with their feel rips in twenty years. He says I've never seen anybody from gun. Owners of America. They're all say where the no compromise group send US money. We're the no compromise group when when you're actually done anything but send US money because we're pure and once again they said well. You Fixed Knicks. That's bad no it's not no it's not just because it comes from a different group you know it just doesn't okay. I tell you what take a quick break Brad where we come back. 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Oh Yeah I'm I'm shopping again with my Class yesterday ended up being a private tutorial. We shot a lot. I was tired at the end of the day. Man Shot well they disagree five hundred rounds for your handgun and five hundred rants for your A. R.. That gives you an idea. That's a Lotta shooting in. The Bay worked on a lot of different things. It was very interesting transition drills malfunction drills with guns and with a ours learned a lot got some ideas about gear things. I WANNA change up and in my next innovation is next iteration on handguns carrying guns is going to have read on shot one of the instructors. The SWAT team he's swatting guy. They are issued handguns with robots. Why would that be well because it works better particularly you need? Make a careful shot on someone who is a little bit further away. You need to make a headshot and dot works get one with a good trigger rigger on it rock and roll so yeah. I'm shopping again. I'll let you know what we ended up with here. Eight six six talk gun Brad Without Utah Line Four. Hey Brad thank you for your patience. It's I understand that you've got a big surprise. I did. My wife goes out to the mailbox comes in with a letter from the State of Utah. Envelopes elopes tears. It open as a brand new shiny new concealed weapons permit so I decided since she did did that and by the way I will not play poker. US Air because she had a good poker face time about. I hadn't. She took the class that she did the whole. They were told you. She was getting her concealed. Carry Permit nope not a pete sheets. He kept surprise. Is that you could ever figure so. I decided to take her out gun shopping Saturday and it was her birthday. Says Alright Birthday I'm GonNa buy you a gun okay. What we end up with? So she decided on the Smith and Wesson as thirty eight bodyguard revolver volver interesting. Had she shot a revolver. She shot my Little two inch five five shots snub. Okay and she was pretty happy with that. I think that's why settled on that. There's no no worries there. I think it's fine as long as she shot a snub nose of two inch barrel revolver and knows what to expect then works just fine. It's a good choice and it's actually. I think it's one of the better choices if she's Gonna I carry absolutely and that's exactly what she's going to do and I bought her a holster for it and So Mammal so to ability and I found that some I've never seen this before the critical defense From the light it's ninety grain. Thirty thirty eight special round. Yeah it's interesting all right. Let me share with you. Something else about all these things. I learned yesterday instructor. I said Yeah. Let me tell you about the different critical defense from hardy and critical duty. AMMO from Horny. I said okay. He's critical. Defense is designed to have a little bit less recoil oil hence the lighter weight bullets and it is not designed to shoot through barriers. Like critical duty is in other words. It doesn't pass. The FBI is a protocol handgun ammo protocol. While I'd alike the critical defense. I if they were me I'm GonNa go with critical duty it. Here's a tell you here's a thought. I never one of those moments where you go. I never thought of that right. And this is the competency this. He says all right horn if you need to shoot through a car door. I'm going okay. I don't understand because I've shot car doors outside his car. Shoot into her car just as an exercise he says. What if you're inside the car in someone don't WanNA outside the car holding a gun on you if you bring your gun up where he can see you now? We have a problem. He said shooting through the door. Never the thought of that. We would never have occurred to me. That's where you need good ammo that has passed the FBI protocol when while son of a gun. God this is the the critical defense will pass through a barrier. No the critical duty from Hornets will. The critical defense is not designed to do that. Okay I got it just it just look it may be right for a lot of things out there. It was just one of those data points when he said you know shooting do a door. And I'm thinking why would I do that. And then he describes basically a carjacking guy's got a gun pointed at you. You've got your gun in your hand but you don't pull it up where you can see it is. Let's go through car doors really well his just shooting through the door. How well first of all congratulations to you and your wife Hyphen getting this cool new gun? I congratulate all of you. That is just terrific Puerto wonderful deal now. You know the deal you guys got to get out and shoot a lot and go ahead and start putting her through other classes. The two of you need to take classes together because the concealed carry permit by itself does not train you to all the stuff you need to know things like I just did yesterday. It's like I've I've been through all these schools at all day long learning new things every time I go to class somewhere particularly with new instructors. I learned something new. It's really worth while and frankly for me. It's a lot of fun all right the call appreciate that. Let's see I think we've got time for bill online too out of Washington state. Where are you looking for bill? I Five W sm who. Yeah that would kind of came and went. Didn't it didn't into ammos just bad just hard to find. Men Do have a rifle for the twenty-five w what do you have rifle chambered for that. No that's when I go back Home Virginia to hunt. Oh that's what I hunt with my friend brand out there. I don writers got one. And that's what I want but you can't find one for AMMO. You might be able to find damn online. I'm sure you can a lot of places where you find interesting ammo if it were me. However I would be buying a rifle for that for the reason that you're describing I ammo is gonna be a little bit hard to find? I would be buying a twenty five six or a two fifty seven whether it be if I wanted to twenty five caliber and honestly a good twenty five off. All six is an amazing rifle. They're overlooked but it is good for deer sheep antelope in the right hands. If you're patient you got good boards. Maybe the ELK and other people say that but if you do it right you have the right year. Bright bullet of work. I do love the twenty five six but then again there's always the teacher seven Webby Talk with Anthony. He's Allying worn out of Atlanta Georgia's talk about shooting. US PSA steel matches. Which is Anthony? What'd you got here Anthony? They're not okay. Where does lose by by Anthony? He's asking what nine millimeter would be the best for recording performance. It's interesting question because you're you're working against Power factors yes and I think in a start off I don't shoot. US PSA. I watch it occasionally but but I think maybe the thirty eight super is is a big deal there and some nine millimeter loge work. And it's always factoring you know. Can you make power factor and and still be shooting the lowest recoil etc etc.. So I guess I don't know what I would do if you are shooting. US PSA are or actually you know what if you're shooting any kind of competition and you have a question about what would work best ask other competitors. It's it's not like a lot of other sports and that's one of the things that's interesting in shooting your fellow competitors editors will help you say you could say look. I'm new at this and say look. You WanNA use this load. Can you can buy that here or if your hand loading this which you want to do. What about holsters all let me show you? I mean you could i. I've said this before and I'm sure they think I'm making it up but it's absolutely true. You could go to a match somewhere and and just tell people look. I'm not a big match but a local match and say look. I've never shot before. I've never shot this kind of competition before I'm thinking about doing it and and before you know it people will be loaning you a belt rig a holster gun and AMMO and they will be showing you how to get going on this thing and welcome you into it. So if you're shooting particular kind of competition and your questions about the gear or a technique or are would ever it is ask other people you can go up to somebody like amax Michelle or a raw blame them or a doug caning or anybody assuming they're not in the middle of their shoots. Don't mess with them when they're about to go shoot okay because the guy head right but any other time. They're gonNA talk to you so we are. Let me show you this. It's it's surprising and yet once you get into the culture of it it's not surprising uprising. Because you've got people who love what they do. They welcome other people in they want to share it. It's just vital important part of their life and it's like I'm sure it's not one hundred percent but it's pretty close to that people who are just good warm responsible. People they're safe. You feel good being around him. I mean I know people who've been trapped shooting and that becomes their their summer vacation is going to the Grand American American trap shoot and they go in our visa and they stay there for a week or two and it's kind of like summer camp you know the same people and you're going back and visiting with them every year and you keep about them now on facebook and instagram and everything else but it is your gun culture it is your extended family it becomes we call you know gun culture culture two point Oh when you start sharing all the stuff online and all the rest of it so if you have a question if you're involved in any kind of shooting go find people who are already doing that kind of shooting if you don't know where to find them go to a local store go to a local shooting range say look who shoots this where can I i. I've heard about long range shooting. We're we're going to do that. What here's who you ought to talk to? The store will tell you the rains will tell you you go out to such and such a call. This person it's a wonderful feeling today. Hey what we're about to launch into the after show and we need you to give me a call right now because we have some stories we wanted to tell. And you're going to hear if you get on with us but also if you have storage tail and this is where we can share stories that are not allowed to be broadcast the FCC say some of the stuff on the air you need to be a part of this. I say we need your stories there so if you ever shot a deer like our caller did had somebody wanted to take it from you. Wow eight six six talk gun I get get out there. Do Some shitty get some training. Get serious about this. It's all your life.

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So you'll definitely want to sign up for that and like I said, we have a couple of free. Of those donated one year premium memberships just had daily beans DOT COM so We have so much news so much bad news for trump today I'm I can hardly wait to get started. So let's the notes. Hot Notes. So in the race for which story is the lead story today You know trying to figure out you know ww w md what would Matt Oh do? I have decided to go with the breaking news from the Associated Press. They say quote an official, the Department of Homeland Security said in a whistle blower complaint released Wednesday that he was pressured by agency leadership to suppress details in his intelligence reports that President Donald Trump might find objectionable including intelligence on Russian interference in the election and the threat posed by white supremacists. AP continues Brian Murphy says whistleblower complaint filed with the agency's Inspector General that he was demoted for refusing to alter his intelligence reports in an illegal and improper manner? The former FBI agent and Marine Corps veteran. Served as principal deputy undersecretary and the official or in the office of Intelligence and analysis in August, he was to assistant to the deputy undersecretary for dhs management. Quote. Mr Murphy is put simply a dedicated public servant who has a lot of career prior to the recent events that have led to the submission of this package to the office of the Inspector General. Prior. To his current circumstances, he had never had so much as a negative fitness report in his professional career with the US government unquote in his complaint, he alleges that former secretary to Nielsen and current Acting Secretary Chad Wolf and deputy Ken Cuccia Anneli repeatedly pressed him to change intelligence assessments in ways that would support administration policies or avoid offending the president. In one example, he said Nielsen in her deputies, pressed him to exaggerate the number of migrants with links to terrorism who have been detained at the border. Murphy said she falsely used a high figure in testimony to Congress what I am? To any minute now, a letter to come from house oversight or or how house in Talbot. Probably. House oversight. To, the Department of Justice for a criminal referral. For US Code Eighteen section one thousand one if Kirsten Nielsen. Lied to Congress. Going on here the complaint says that Wolf Chad Wolf who has been nominated to be secretary by trump. He's only been nominated. He's been in an acting position. He's been there illegally by the way along with Ken Kitchen. Ellie. As the Government Accountability Office has told us. But. Wolf directed Murphy to cease providing intelligence assessments on the threat of Russian interference to the United States because it quote made the President Look Bad. Murphy said he declined because it would be a violation of his duties, not do it. Murphy said Coochie Anneli that's deputy also like I said illegally appointed as acting deputy secretary. Coup Chanel directed him to modify a section of a report on white supremacy to make the threat appear less severe. ADD information left-wing groups to echo administration talking points. Around civil unrest falling the protests over the murder of George Floyd now. Let's talk about. This thing blown up on the right wing about Carter page and his is a warrant and how. One of the Lawyers Klein Smith had written or added amended an email saying that Carter page was not. An informant for the CIA. something that by the way would not have changed the outcome. Of the granting of the Faisal Warrant Renewal. Or application. And what a big deal they're making about that now here, we have somebody asking to being asked pressured by this administration to remove intelligence from report and add add. Bullshit to a report inflate numbers as far as Kirsten. Nielsen is concerned and Coochie Kelly wanting to add an information left-wing groups to echo administration talking point talking points. At intelligence that doesn't exist. Shift. has asked Murphy to testify before the House. Intelligence Committee. Regarding this and I say they bring Krista Nielsen back in ask her if she would like to amend her. Bullshit statement. About the number of migrants. That have criminal ties. That she pressured this person into inflating which he refused to do because he's a fucking. Patriot. But she lied to Congress about. And coming in. At a close second place for the lead story today Lordy there are tapes, and so what was president she saying yesterday talking mostly about the Virus and I think he's GonNa have it in good shape but you know it's a very tricky situation. It's deed goes it goes through Arab. That's always tougher than the touch in touch. You don't have to touch things right but the air you just breathe the air that's how it's. passed. And so that's a very tricky one that's very delicate. One It's also more deadly than your. You Know Your, even your strenuous. Lose you know people don't realize we lose twenty, five, thousand, thirty, thousand people a year here who would ever think that right? I know It's pretty. And then I say well the same thing for more deadly. This is five per you know this is five percent versus percent less than one percent you know. So this is deadly stuff. Yeah. That was February seventh. And White House press secretary. Kelly mcenaney said today trump never lied to the American public twenty downplayed the corona virus but then trump got up and admitted that he lied he said he he he did those things. He made those statements to keep calm. Keep the calm to prevent panic. So he admitted that he lied to the American people about. The severity of coronavirus on February seventh Joe Biden responded on twitter saying he would never lie to the American public regardless of the political cost. And now we can look back at that story about Kushner who shouldn't have security clearance. Deciding not to send aid to democratic cities hit hard by corona virus. And then let's think about that in light of today's revelation along with. Some other things I mean that clip like I said that lose interview with Woodward we just heard it took place February seventh. That is just two weeks after Congress was briefed and Laughlin birth sold off their stock. Republican senators voted to acquit just two days before that interview. In that tape in the clip which just heard. We know trump has said he's been downplaying the series of seriousness of Cova because he didn't want to tank the economy in an election year he fired the health and Human Services. Doctor, that gave us the dire warning about Kobe dot month member. He got that information on. Air. Force One fighter. Didn't want people to. Didn't the market to drop? He also got the Russian bounty Intel in February and tried to tell us he was never briefed and then pivoted to saying that the Intel was not credible because different intelligence agencies varied in their confidence levels even though he doesn't really understand that some agencies do human intelligence and some do cyber intelligence is some do communications intelligence. So. I mean if if you`re If Your Assessment on the intelligence of the rush bounty situation is based on ground on like boots on the ground operations offs human intelligence. You'RE GONNA get high confidence from the human. Right. But maybe not from the comms in like it's. He. Did the same thing when the when the assessment came out from the. From the intelligence community about Russian interference in January two, thousand, seventeen, well NSA. FBI says it's moderate confidence in the says high confidence. So clearly, the whole thing is bullshit. Just. It. Blows my mind. and. I mean, how can anyone believe anything that he says now? Not that we couldn't before but now we have tapes. And we don't have a robust testing and tracing plan because trump told us. He wanted to keep the numbers low. He tells us what he's doing. And now nearly two hundred, thousand Americans are dead. And the senators that voted to acquit him two days before this tape was made, they knew about it too. They were briefed in January, January twenty fourth they all need to be fired and trump should be tried fucking Hague for crimes against humanity it this is. This is murder. His negligent homicide if previous me Kushner to they should be in prison. The TASK FORCE NEW PENCE NEW Republican senators knew when they voted to acquit and Adam Schiff said if you vote to acquit your name will be tied to his and with accord of steel for all of history. And Susan Collins Furrowed Brow. Trump also told us today if he wins the election, November that he would nominate Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz to the supreme. Court. Moments after trump made that announcement tom cotton tweeted row V, Wade must go. Now I. Don't have to tell y'all who to vote for. But if you know anybody. WHO's on the fence for some weird reason or thinking about voting third party? Let. Them know. Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton could end up on the supreme. Court. And if nothing else. That's a reason enough to vote for for Biden Harris. Next up from law and Crime White. House. Chief of Staff Mark Meadows appeared to claim that he's seen documents relevant to US Attorney John Durham's probe of the oranges of the Russia. Investigation and he says they implicate several trump and Obama administration officials and potentially illegal conduct. While meadows did not provide any specifics to substantiate his assertion legal experts specializing in government affairs immediately wondered and worried of the President's chief of staff at somehow become privy to details of Durham's mostly hidden from the public investigation. He appeared on Fox business network Tuesday morning he told host Maria Bartiromo I. think that's how you say it. I don't know while he wasn't able to provide an update on the progress of Derby Durham's investigation. He could confirm that he seen additional documents that at worst. Several individuals had engaged still unspecified illegal activities for which they should go to jail. Quote additional documents that I've been able to reviews that a number of the players, the Peter Struck the Andy McCabe, the James. commes. And even others in the administration previously or in real trouble because of their willingness to participate in an unlawful act and I use the word unlawful. As best it broke all kinds of pro at best it broke all kinds of protocols and at worst people should go to jail. A grand jury. Refused to indict Andy McCabe. For the one thing you thought you had him on. Oh. And by the way, why are you talking about an open and ongoing investigation in public? That's Weird Next up from Bloomberg. News. Deutsche Bank AG. WHOSE DIME? No relation WHO's global operations is under the microscope of US lawmakers and criminal investigators has enlisted old friend of US Attorney General. Bill Bar to help the bank navigate the political waters in Washington. The decision came from Frankfurt or the bank's supervisory, board chairman Paul Off Lightner. Has retained. Robert Kim it to people familiar with the matter Kim at seventy two is a lawyer and former US ambassador to Germany friendship bar dates back to the eighties. Kim precise role isn't clear even too many executives within the bank, the view from Frankfurt, and some of the people said that the bank senior leadership brought him on earlier this year to bolster its presence in the United States capitol where in addition to the criminal inquiries, Democratic lawmakers are scrutinizing the bank's relationship with one of its highest profile clients. Donald J trump. And? We all know. About the joy campaign finance scandal, right? but there's a lot of, Republicans tied to it and today from the Charlotte Observer and North Carolina they have to say this quote weekend reports in Washington Post in New York Times say that for more than a decade to joy pressured employees is former North Carolina Company to donate to Republican candidates, reimburse them through bonuses. The reports detailed how much how multiple employees at high point based new breed would donate to the same candidate. On the same day sometimes writing checks for identical amounts of money quote, we gave him the money and then he reciprocated by giving big bonuses that's according to Hr Department couples, employees they're one of the big beneficiaries of this questionable fundraising thom. Tillis now running for re election in the US Senate according to The Times twenty mid level and senior officials in new breed donated a total of thirty seven, thousand, six, hundred dollars to Thom Tillis on. The same day in October two, thousand, fourteen, each official wrote check for either twenty, six, hundred dollars, the maximum allowable donation or a thousand dollars. The Post reports till his campaign committees collected nearly three hundred thousand dollars from people at that company in twenty fourteen alone when Tillis ran to unseat Democrat Kay Hagan perhaps more concerning is the senators apparent reluctance to criticize his benefactor for postal delays. Tillis is not raised questions about joys troubling. House testimony, he said under oath that he hasn't cut overtime, which is a lie. Certainly undeserved appointments are not a Republican phenomenon and neither is money outsized influence on politics. But while the potential exploitation of the system is not surprising, it may be illegal. It is in north. Carolina both Democrats and Republicans including Thom Tillis should call for joy to explain the troubling contributions and if he's unable to do so he should resign and we need to. I mean Thom Tillis we gotta we gotta get on him. He needs to be removed he needs to step down. 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I'm loving care of you guys check it out for fifty percents off your I care order to take care of dot com slash daily beans fifty and enter Promo Code daily fifty that is fifty percent off at take care of dot com slash daily beans fifty and enter code daily beans fifty. Hey everybody. Welcome back joining me today is twenty two year FBI veteran lead agent on operation. Ghost stories operation mid-year exam and he led Operation Crossfire. Hurricane is a deputy assistant director for counterintelligence. He's also the author of the new book compromised counter intelligence and the threat of Donald J trump please welcome Peter Struck to the show. Peter Thank you for speaking with me today. Thanks so much for having me and I have to say it's an. Honor to talk to you both professionally and personally My family has a history of Russian counter-intelligence stuff and we've been covering you as part of the Muller Investigation and the Muller. She wrote podcast for nearly three years in your book is incredible and I wanted to start with you open it but giving us a look into ghost stories. Can you remind us about that operation most I'm Garrett T. most of our listeners have seen the Americans? At so I was hoping you could tell us a little bit about your insights and your role in ghost stories. Absolutely. So go stories that name actually didn't get appended to the series of cases until love much later on but it what it refers to is a series of Russian illegal officers who are in the United States under deep cover. Collecting information about American society and essentially trying to make themselves look as American in normal as possible from which point they could engage in a variety of sort of passive intelligence collection, identifying government figures, perspective, future government figures, and secretly report back all of this information to Moscow in furtherance of the VR, the foreign intelligence services aims. So we were on it, you know the start date is classified the. If you think, you enjoy the story now in twenty, five, hundred, fifty years where the rest of it gets declassified, you're GONNA be just in trance because it was in the totality, a spectacular series of cases. So, hopefully, you know give or take a tenure series of investigations of a number of individuals who? We watched successive agents in analysts handing off to the next generation in just. Gathering information about how the Russians were working here in the united. States with these kind of exquisitely hidden officers and everything about him. The way they communicated the things they were targeting with requirements were the way they were handled just cataloging. In a very deep way some of the activities director it S, which is the the the group within the VR and the KGB before that that they fell under. Well yeah, and it's I. I. Really Recommend I know everybody wants to get to the counterintelligence crossfire stuff but everyone I really recommend you. You get this book whether on audio or or through conventional means I like I like the old hardbacks but it's just an incredible story and you're right I I hope I'm around to hear the declassification of some of of what happened during that investigates during that series of cases. So I'm assuming the series of cases has had different names for each one and then it became go stories because I was going to tell you go stories is the coolest op name I've heard in a long time. Yeah. Kudos whoever named it I didn't it was kind of a surprise because I had left Boston in the two thousand and three timeframe and then. Get back involved when we're starting to we, the bureau were starting to wrap it in the somebody who's talking about go stories unlike without that I hadn't heard. That term before but yeah, typically counterintelligence cases they're assigned. A name that isn't you know for you know investigating. John Smith. We don't want to call the case John Smith because if somebody sees hears it read, they're gonNA. Know we're investing John Smith so They could assign typically well as a two word Codeword and you know crossfire hurricane or mid year exam in usually there's a the way that's done is there's a computer that spits out a selection of a random to or combinations. Or you can choose your own that you don't want it relating to the case or something where somebody could guess what it might be but there have been some you know particularly profound or a good one since most of rather sillier stupid ones. But that is always the the little bit of a kind of creativity gets exercise as an agent naming cases. One of those things where there some latitude. So having said all that they're classified. So to sit there and from the start if you say John Smith is Sparkling water is an espionage case. You know that that combination of information together, it would be classified so. Even, though we now just the fact that we're talking about mid year exam. I. Had not in my book referred to Crossfire Hurricane at all I can say it because even though everybody in the world knew it. When I submitted it to the Bureau for Publication Review, it's still hasn't been released, and then you know a book came out with that is its title and. Put it in their report I'm like, Okay Great. Now, I can call I can say it was crossfire hurricane and I can talk about how I named it. So we're then able to incorporate that into the book, but you know a little bit of Manucher the hoops. Interesting Yeah we talked to Andrew McCabe. About his book he he, he was not able to use the term at that time but we all knew we all knew what it was. Speaking of, miniature exam. That's the next part of the book go into operation mid exam that's the investigation into hillary emails. Seemingly springing out of the Benghazi investigation and I think we all know how that turned out. But I have a couple questions for you. The first being that you spoke of your frustration about the resources being allocated to that probe. Did you feel other investigations maybe would have had priority at that point? In. The Best of all worlds yes, there is no way that they could have I mean you know it was one of those situations where I looked at it I think all of us were frustrated by it was. The. Shame of this is the team that looked at. All the agents in the analysts in the computer forensic experts I mean there were really really good. The best hint picked didn't extraordinary job I would take that. You know team to investigate the theft of the gates of Hell I. They were just that good and hard working aggressive and just competent, and the reality is after all this has done it became so politicized that. None of them really got their dude they deserved I think all of us looked and understood you know kind of started getting an understanding early on that there probably was not a prosecutable case but that didn't mean we could just stop and because of nature of the investigation and the profile of the subject to she wasn't the subject but the profile of WHO's involved you know we had to do that completely because we knew that Congress and others were going to tear it apart so. It was one of those. I understand and agree with giving it the resources that we did. But at the same time, all the external factors that made it so that we had to do that was you know there was absolutely a frustration there that we couldn't. Get any given time the scores of very significant cases that are going on that I would have loved to have put a quarter of the team on to investigate. And I have to ask I've been asking this for years now. But I don't know if you can answer this but I was hoping you could speak a little bit to the Rudy Giuliani the HALLSTROM digenova threats about leaks from the New York Field FBI field office, and that was regarding the Weiner laptop right the additional emails because it always seemed to me the you know this is the question four thousand dollar question is Comi your Homie It always seemed to me that Komi. Trying to get ahead. Of any leaks like that it, which is maybe why he reopened the investigation into the emails but that also might not be the case and I didn't know if you could shed shed any light on that because I know the Inspector General did an investigation into the New York FBI field office leaks but that report was due out over year ago and we haven't seen it. Yeah. That I mean he did investigate may still be investigating I'm not sure why it's not out I do note. Again, this is my personal perspective that there seemed to be these Igli rolled out and aggressively investigated. Matters which seem to universally please. House Senate Republicans. But those that might please the other side of the aisle seem neither be quiet or more bond, and I think in this particular case, you know Rudy made very clear statements that he was getting information about things that were going on and you know something in the works when people inside the F. b. i. r. were to that effect but not through the grapevine, not through retired agents but people. Who are in he walked back but clearly, there was concern and I think Komiya said publicly that in Edgy Lynch and I think it was in the IDC. Report is well that they both had discussed concern that had he not made the announcement that there was concerned that people in New York officer the FBI would if not directly but through again, the sort of you know two or third circle removed. 'CAUSE that information to come out, which would be you know bad from a from a number of perspectives I don't think that. Played a determinative role in other words. If you take that concerned out of the picture I, still think director Comey makes the announcement because the kind of underlying principles that he thought my understanding of them is his reasons for announcing it existed independently in a sufficient enough manner that would push him to make that announcement but they certainly were there. They certainly were present they certainly were considered. So you know the irony I've said, hey, look I never experienced anything anybody on any perspective or any political. Role on the belief in the political spectrum influence having that influence their actions officially, you know what they did or didn't do. But having said that the one thing that I can think of where such political belief impacted a decision was that one and it was certainly concerned about people who were against Clinton. Playing a role in the decision that the the bureau May. Yeah and of course, the hillary email. Investigation was widely publicly known. But what we're about to talk talk about next crossfire hurricane was not and so you know when people come and say, well, why didn't you announce that trump was under investigation well. That wouldn't hadn't gotten out and and you don't do that if you can help it right I mean that's sort of. The answer to that question, isn't it? Right? That's absolutely true I mean there was clearly a disparate impact of the way the cases were handled publicly, but it was necessary that we analyst publicly that way I mean the Clinton email investigation midyear was very public. Mom before we close the case director, Comey obviously made a speech. There was a tremendous congressional and foia requests for Information for documents that we began providing because director Comey wanted to be as transparent as so that was very much in the public domain. Closed Criminal Matter contrast that though with what we're doing initially. You know who in the trump campaign might have received the special offer of assistance. You know that's an ongoing investigation is both counterintelligence in criminal in nature it's classified and so for all those reasons appropriately, we didn't discuss it and so I get you know people look and say, wow, that you know these were these head wildly disparate. Public handling and very disparate impact. But that was necessary. So Obviously is it points to the fundamental fact what the FBI did in the summer of two thousand. Sixteen. Almost without exception, hurt Clinton and it helped trump and if that isn't the entirety of the evidence that you need to demonstrate the there was no deep state plot against trump I I don't know what it is. Yeah I. Mean we've talked about that before if you had wanted to wreck trump's chances there were plenty of opportunities to do that that that didn't occur. So but I do WanNa talk to you more about crossfire hurricane but I have to squeeze in a quick break. Would you mind sticking around this fun? All right. Great. Thanks everybody will be right back. Stay with us. Everybody g recently, I was looking to get my friend the perfect gift and I discovered painter life dot Com. You can have an original painting by a world class artists done by hand from photos or a photo. It is such a great idea. I know. 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Let's talk about the counterintelligence investigation into trump's financial ties to Russia because on one hand. You have others that have and. They have described a scenario where muller thought the FBI was doing the counterintelligence. FBI Thought Muller was doing counterintelligence investigation and no one was really doing it. So whereas the counterintelligence investigation, this very question I think when you look at the release of the Senate Intel Committee report recently in one thousand pages, which could also them for getting a bipartisan report out that all the Republican senators put their name on. It speaks to a huge counterintelligence picture my concern. You know when we went over and there's been a lot of discussion this when I set up the team, my understanding was that I leading the FBI team that was kind of seconded muller would be doing the counterintelligence work surrounding all of the cases both individual as well as the broader look about what Russia head done and. You know potentially was still doing vis-a-vis the trump, the individuals that we had cases on. and so we hadn't in Muller to my mind my recollection because we talked about I talked about this with him and the others senior leadership team. was very clear that his mandate special counsel regulations is appointment orders, kind of the way restructured the attorneys that all that was focused very much on violations of law and proving those up. into that, the expectation was that you know because see is squarely part of the FBI's mission that we would do that as a really hard task i. mean that's a massive task. If you WANNA, do that. Well, it's going to take an extraordinary amount of resources just looking at his financial enterprise, a massive undertaking at any given point in time, but if you. Want. To go back to understand the beginning of his interactions with kind of shady in the furious Russian money or organized crime money or an intelligence related money gotta go back a long way to understand that. So to do that was going to be really really hard and then of course I get removed having not solved come up with a way to do this. And that set in motion. I mean. There is just the explosion from trump and they increasing drumbeat and the attacks on both director. Muller's the FBI and then Andy gets fired and the new director comes in who doesn't know the background about this and my fear and I don't know this is true. I mean there may be a huge very well staffed very robust effort that is either ongoing or concluded at the FBI working with the USIG but my fear is that in the kind of shuffle of all that. Direct Muller. Special counsel staffer still on the attorney side, the Non Efi aside for moving ahead thinking the FBI has got this. You know we've got people who are pulling out leads and sending back to the FBI and yet nobody at the FBI may be is taking a holistic look beyond what Russia's doing in other words looking beyond the the ordinary scope of our Russian. Counterintelligence work to specifically look at all the individuals on. And around trump in in in IDA again, I could be wrong. I. Hope I'm wrong but my sense is. I don't think I am because I mean we know Rosenstein set the scope and the special counsel CEPA, the scope of what was looking into and in a series of memos as well, and but he's also the one who invited journalists to. Review your text messages with Lisa? Page. Isn't that isn't that kind of I mean I feel like? I feel like that was trying to get you removed from that position yeah, I can't I look I don't I'm sitting the right now. That they illegally for a number of things at the my firing, but also that they illegally released those texts. In some other issues. But you know they invited the press and in the middle of the night said, they could look at them and not attribute the having seen them to Doj all right in the in advance of Rosen signs appearance before the hill. So you know there are a number of ways they could have refused to do that Certainly, it's Kinda unprecedented in the middle of an investigation about those that ultimately concluded there was no inappropriate action taste taken on any improper motive. There are many reasons they could have said, no, we're not going to release it. So I can't I don't know the motives. They were clearly in my mind improper in illegal whether that was to you know save somebody's individual skin versus organizational skin verses the. Direction of the White House, you know I certainly think there was absolutely improper political influence that was brought to bear on that decision I. I also WanNa Talk to you about Andrew. Weisman who has come out saying that the Times reporting was incorrect and the FBI knew because there were dozens of agents embedded in Miller's office. You know because you lead them and the Mola report said, counterintelligence summaries were sent back to the bureau on a weekly basis. Did you receive those summaries from those imbedded CO located FBI agents? So that was something again, I can't speak to direct knowledge because I had that was not occurring when I was there. So I have seen the reporting and certainly I've Seen Muller's testimony that people were embedded and things were sent back but that's not I. Mean. That's a good answer but it's not an ideal answer and having said that I read the You know the Times reporting a I at Andrew had to say I don't think the necessarily in conflict with each other. But having said that look I never felt any restriction from anybody on the scope of what I wanted to do from counterintelligence perspective having said that it was really nascent and I can envision a point. Particularly if you know a month later had I stayed in late summer early fall had I gone and I said, look we need to get all these financial records for the scope of time for you know in a comprehensive way. because. Both that would require a huge ton of resources to analyze and investigate, and also that would be so provocative and so noisy necessary investigative. But I can see. An issue coming up there where it would have to get resolved at the highest levels of DJ in the FBI but I didn't feel at the time I was working special counsels office any restriction on what I could do Messiah Front. Andrews also right I mean there was there was nothing that was withheld from the FBI if in my experience and I don't know again what happened if I left but an FBI agent analysts wanted to see something that came back into subpoena return or a interview or a proffer session they had access to that. So Andrews right but I think there's A, there's a gap in the middle there. There's you know the deltas he can be right and it can be right that you know Rosenstein was going to stop us from doing any full blown investigation and it never became an issue just because it never matured to that stage and that you know people assume just because people were sending information to feedback to the FBI while that's great in an ideal circumstance, you then have the FBI coming back and you know is more much more of a sort of Intel Cycle Soda Way to think about this then all these kind of requirements and Trying to understand in pointing the investigative team to places to seek information not for criminal prosecution but to seek information from an intelligence perspective that looping back, that's what I worry. We missed our was missed in. That's one thing and then the other thing is somebody needs to sit there. You can't think of CI as. What is trump's and Manafort Flynn's and Cohen's and stones in you know assange. Particularly CI picture if you're doing, well, you've got to assemble that into a comprehensive picture. You have to sit there and step back out of the individual, put yourself as Russia and say what is Russia doing? What is the complete sort of horizon of everything they're doing and how all these things we're seeing relate to each other because that's what's going to inform you how Russia was acting were they doing this in a coordinated way? was there any centrally driven operation if so how if not why not that you can't do that if you aren't sitting side by side with the people in Muller's Team So you know who knows but will it's a worthy question and one hope that does get answered. Monday me too. But But let's step back a little bit and talk about what Russia was doing You know with the hacks to the DNC the triple C. But you talk in your book, you talk about Russia was pulling his punches They implying, Russia has way more than they've let on a we know from public reporting that they also hacked the R. N.. C. The fruit of which we have not seen So I'm wondering if you could tell me a little bit about a little bit about that absolutely, and you knows happy that in the pre publication processes able to. Say that you know just the fact that there were things we thought were coming to didn't I think some of that is a function of they were surprised as most every pollster that trump won and so if part of the goal is you're trying to undermine the the validity of Hillary Clinton's election. If she's not elected, you probably don't want undermine. Result anymore if you're if you're guy one so I think that explains some I think there's probably a lot of reasons that we can't yet explain, but there were things in the specifics I can't I'm not at liberty to talk about but I think what I can say is that you know they become Russia's become much more effective at Mis attributing the source of their actions in other words to make it harder to demonstrate that things are being directed her coming from Russia. Whether is posted any other place I think I know and I expect the full range of things that we saw sixteen or going on now social media manipulation seeking to kind of exacerbate existing societal tension points. Probing. Every last voting registration database and state voting infra, cyber infrastructure and hardware that is being used in. That's certainly all the traditional stuff of trying to insert agents in recruit people around each of the campaigns and you know hand administration that trump's case So they're doing that they're doing it with for years to have honed their techniques Certainly, we saw some of that two, thousand, eighteen, I think there was some use government response to that but I expected is not only going on now but it's going to continue and increase not only through the election. But what worries me the most is I think there's a very likely chance that we're going to have. A. Election decision that isn't clear until well after election day and that intervening period between the election day in the final electoral college result is going to be an absolutely fertile ground for Russian mischief disinformation. That's A. That's a good warning for us all to be prepared for and I mean speaking of the social media stuff i. mean you were talking you were saying in your book it was like it was huge like it was almost like people were taken aback by the the scope of it, and now you know now we've got it's not just Boston trolls, right? botnets, and trolls or the IRA. We've got actual American people, large massive followings who are being sort of turned. And putting out These Russian talking points and it's it's diabolical the to which they are infiltrating our our social media sphere yet, and it's hard right? Because we're in an age where you can solve selection news, you don't have to your options aren't Walter Cronkite are Peter Jennings. You can pick whatever flavor reinforces. We are sensibilities in which you wanNA believe and so the problem. Is when you know Russia takes advantage of that. If you try and come in and say, Hey, you know Russia is playing you while your natural response is like well, you know this is my opinion. This is my belief you're telling me that my belief isn't valid at its Russian propaganda and people get their you know they get their backup and they get worried because you try. Your team won and you're trying to tell me one of the one because you know somebody was paying off the rest I'm saying well, I don't care if they're paying off the rest my team was better than they would have won anyway. So people automatically start from an adversarial perspective if you're trying to warn them that any outside party is trying to advocate for whatever it is that they believe in. and. So some of the issue is trying to get to say this isn't this is value neutral. This morning isn't saying whether your belief is good or bad or right or wrong, and could really give a damn what I'm trying to make sure that you know that within this environment this chunk of what you're hearing isn't coming from an American or you know some some reporter in Des Moines, it's coming from. Just outside of Moscow and that's a really psychologically that's a really hard gap to bridge in this age where everybody is kind of naturally subconsciously or consciously gravitates to that stuff they wanna hear and I don't know how I don't know how we effectively combat that. But it's you know as permanent sixteen it's just gotten worse. We I I don't either and I've I've been I've seen a lot of of these types of. Messages on social media quite a bit and whenever you bring it up there is a common list of very commonly used Ideas and phrases like the. We're called Shit Lips or neo libs or blue non or we have worms in the brain I've seen that dozens and dozens of times. So that's a phrase somebody who has flipped now in his is promoting you know voter suppression or. A Green Party for Bernie or whatever they? They always say, well, it changed his mind over time. He had some personal growth i. hear you know Medicare for all his new Russian talking point that there's a Russian hoax or Blue Maga McCarthyism. I mean it's it's. I expect these phrases to turn up in a twenty twenty you know. Election Counterintelligence report at some point at they're just so commonly used and it's I I don't know how to combat it either it's impossible to talk about it without those kind of messages coming back at you right? That's true and we're such an open book was such an easy target and people are so I if if you're anybody abroad I mean you can do it. Now I mean as an American, you can sit there and catalog with all the hot button issues are and where the schisms aren't you can. Certainly, it doesn't take a lot of effort to Go in and figure out where if you had, you know a gallon of gasoline to find the you know the three or four areas where you could make the most mischief with that if you were choosing to port across the kind of national. In it's just I. We we have lost this ability to consider an reason with the opposition or things in conflict with our view in when you start getting polarized perspectives that way that's just so much more fertile environment for disinformation because it, it is absolutely just feeding what you WanNa hear and you're unwilling to consider anything else. Before I let graduates got one more quick question for you. These reports coming out now, these briefings from Evans effort example, they seem to equate the risk proposed or the risk involved with China, and Iran and that of Russia the risk. That we're that, we're facing with election interference and and we just found out breaking today. We have a whistle blower saying that they were told to stop briefing on Russian interference and report only on China and I want I was wondering if you think that these briefings, these press releases are effective. Are they reaching the audience they need to and are they correct because bar went on national television with Wolf Blitzer and said China was our number one election interference threat and what do you? What do you think about that? I know bill of worked with bill for a long time he knows he's a good agent I think he may have transitioned out of the bureau over into An CSC. Official role but he gets the eye and he's in a horrible spot because he has to both be honest broker to Congress in the American public. At the same time, he's got to like it other senior leader in the United States government walk on eggshells around a president who will fly into a rage at anything suggesting that a foreign power particularly Russia favors him over somebody else and so how you do that job in that environment I don't envy that that job at all but look having said that when you look at what rushes doing it as fundamentally different in scope and in. Affective nece in intrusiveness American domestic politics, anything anybody else's during the Chinese Iranians Cubans you name it. Russia's actively involving themselves in matters that not only relate to Russian interests but are seeking to divide America purely on internal American issues at events contrast that with the Chinese of course, the Chinese are playing games in information space. They care about how? Kobe is being presented to the international environment. They care about how what they're doing or not doing with the weaker is getting reported. They have any number of. Issues that are important to China about China and how that is portrayed in American media's very much something they're going to look at how any potential future president would look at that. They are absolutely interested in that Iran I. Again, they are certainly capable adversary, but it is nothing compared to what? Russia, and China bring to the table, and so when you look at that it is there is a fundamentally different set of concerns in threat that comes out of Russian actions in the cyber and sort of disinformation. Media manipulation arena in the elections compared to anybody else in the world, and so you know the easy argument is to make a false equivalency. Well, you know Russia likes maybe trump fine but you know China likes Biden in Iran likes Jill Stein I mean you can't. You can't. That's that's a horrible false equivalence. There is no question that the threat from Russia is far more sophisticated, more invasive and our internal political processes and that those actions by Russia are unequivocally designed to help trump. And we'll have to follow what this whistle blower saying and see where that ends up but I wanNA. Thank you so much for speaking with us today you are truly an American hero do you Do you have a legal defense fund by the way or any where people can help you out a no. So I mean people are extraordinarily. When I was fired, we had a gofundme site and raised a bunch of money that went to my attorney's to you know for any number of things for the lawsuit that I have right now for all the you know the G. Investigations in the Senate investigation. So people were extraordinarily generous in that. You know I can't think it's one of those heart warming things. When you see the, you know this groundswell of grassroots donations really was was remarkable and I'll I'll forever be thankful for that. Glad you're doing well and more importantly did I hear a cat in the background you do it's the it's the standard Kobe days. If not the cat you would have heard either the dog or the second cat but it's You know it's part of what keeps you know the the the neediness of animals are always present in the background. You have a dog and two cats I have a dog and two cats you worked in Russian counter-intelligence. My Dad worked in right? Do we have to? We have to talk more have to be friends tremendous synergy here right isn't that? Would I think that was like one of those people who were proposing the Musket wasn't it? We can achieve synergies there was something about. The whole is greater than the sum of its. It's Great to talk to you. It was great to talk to you too I. Really appreciate you giving us time. It's been an honor. Thank you so much. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back after this message with the good news block stay with us. 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There's a lot of good news that happened I mean it's awful terrible. The you know the shit that we're learning about but it's really bad for trump today. Yes and it's honestly as wretched as it is. It's good to finally hear it. You know we we do need to hear that we do need to know what is going on. and. So that is horrible as it is information is power. Well, it is and I'm so glad you're here today because we have some information submitted to us by our listeners are patrons and our listeners that what they do is they go to our website daily beans pod, dot com they cook on contact and they can send us either quarantine confessions or good. News stories and the good news stories are either personal or political, and we have all good news stories. Today. We didn't get any confessions yesterday and this sort of lets us end on an up note, and so I wanted to invite you on to help me read some of these listener submitted good news stories. So sound good sucks. Yes I'm so excited. I, I. Really haven't done this before. So I'm excited. Well thank you for joining me I'm going to go ahead and kick it off with our first good news story. It comes from Donna and Donna's pronouns are she and her and Donna says good news in a relatively bad scenario I have been approved for procedure to reduce belly fluid caused by Sarah's deliver. It's called a tips procedure and though it's not a cure I hope to gain some quality of life back. Dock says, I'm a good candidate but some of the side effects could make me loopy and disoriented like getting stoned on the cheap l. o. l. the good news I thought that was the good news, the good news. In. My favor is even if it fails I'm one step closer to a transplant for the first time in a while I feel hopeful and that in itself is worthy of good news for the curious I'm an eight-year Hep C. Survivor and probably got infected back in seventy five when I was hit by a car they didn't test back. Then I am newly sponsored member. So thank you all very much that is so great Donna and I know like there's a Lotta medical procedures the. You know to be on a transplant list or to get certain certain procedures done where you have to go through like other procedures. I so I really hope this improve your quality of life and like you said, if it doesn't Bam, you're step closer on that donor list you know what I mean yeah I just we're going to be thinking about you and thank you for sharing that. You know it's hard to share personal medical information and it actually makes such a difference for. It does yeah. Especially, if somebody else is going through I, know that right like dot always comforts me To to know I'm not alone and so thank you for sharing that. Yeah, All right. I'll be what's up next. Well, I, have went from Gilly or Jili she. says. I have. MS, and take a tablet which lowers my immune system and has caused me to have massively increased anxiety. Issues not a good time ag for anyone to be having that. She continues I had my neurology review recently and was told my blood levels are good I have no increased risk and an actual I tablets tablets take are being used in a trial and China for Cova Treatment Whoa. You've ever taken care of herself on many levels here. Double Bonus in this shit show of a year makes guys I love listening to the pod in a long-term fan from the beginning. Knows the kitchen. Days. I think are followed you today I think I followed you today because you know because it'll be i. was I got that massive attack yesterday I'm like look at all these people with Russian. Points and they all have low. They'll have low followers like low follower account and Gilly. was like Hey I only have twenty eight followers and I was like, Nope, twenty nine Bam followed her back and I'm like I just want to explain it's not just low followers that make you seem like you're a questionable. Account on twitter, the twitter handle the amount of people, your following the Avatar whether you have. A Russian sponsored hashtags in your bio that's been clean. Yeah. Coordinated semantics are a little bit giveaway just your little bit tiny tiny bit. Well, thank you again for that Gilly that's wonderful. I'm so glad. Yeah the news. Next up from a German army. Pronouns she and her that is my friend. My good news is that I finally completed my a New Year's resolution when I sent my vote from abroad ballot. Yesterday I live in Germany Oh a German army commander that's an American I. thought it was like friend no, she's islander she's Ex Pat. On January. First Twenty, twenty, I request my ballot I've been patiently waiting to do my part to get that lunatic. OUTTA office and. My two young adult children also voted in their very first presidential election this year. So that is three votes from MINNESOTA TO KEEP MINNESOTA BLUE I hope neither election will be as important as this one for the rest of our lives and that after four years of Biden eight years of Harris the US will be in good enough spot that nothing is remotely as dangerous to our country as a second version of trump will ever threaten our democracy again. Thanks for all you do choose choose bish paid Labor Day and Doncaster for voting as a Democrat abroad I appreciate that and the two kids to that's so great and the tickets to and. And just a little jealous because I still have. Time to vote yet. So I'm excited for everybody who's WHO's beaten us in there and getting in their early. Good. It must feel great again I know right like I every time I vote. I cry. I, do I have I have a wall of stickers I just put the I voted stickers on the wall. So it's exciting now okay. I have one from Andy G. No nope Ronin. In, mid-july, my wife of nearly twenty two years passed away. As, you can probably imagine this was a stunning loss for me and our three children. Ages nineteen with a little. Okay. Non a child, twelve and nine. I think nine hundred, still a child I'm sorry that's your kid. I have had an extremely difficult time coping but got an amazing support from her family. My wife was also incredibly active in the fiber arts community, and since her passing said fiber, Arts Community started a legacy fund for her that has raised nearly thirty thousand dollars for me and the kids. That's amazing at this cry. What did you probably into a g? Now? I'm GONNA try today. And we've gotten numerous gifts of food from since. I think he just says the folks in our area from the folks in our area which has restored my faith in humanity. Shift show of a year I think you mean shit show. But maybe he didn't swear so. I'm Andy. I'm so sorry to hear that and that you are. Putting something in for good news to share the goodness that's coming out of this a testament to. Who you are as well. So that's very moving and your resilience and And there's a little note on here at what you sent me about the fiber arts community what that refers to of this sort of arts made of natural synthetic fibre. Fabric, and yarn it is cool that my daughter does that. And it's about the materials in about the workmanship Texas. Yeah it's really cool and they it is a good community I mean they're just. You know loving people so well, thanks sandy for sharing the that's. That's profound profound. Next up I have a good news story from Judy Pronouns or she and her judy says. I just drove to town and back. she went to town everybody I saw a total of eight political science seven were supporting Democratic candidates. One was supporting voting. So that was democratic to I. Take that as a good omen I wanted to say sign I, was over my quota. I did see a lot of no trespassing no dumping and bunches of four sale signs more than any others whatever that means I have been listening to the podcast for so long I was a one dollars patron I look forward to listening every day I still listen to old downloads on weekends. Oh thank you so much judy I. WE OFFERED LV we had a one dollar patron level and then got a bunch of I got a bunch of shit from our listeners like they were mad because they said I was that the show was more valuable than that and we were undervaluing it, and so I watched Amanda fucking Palmer and Ted Talk, and I was like you're right we. Those dead dogs can get to yet. Yeah. That is funny I like a one dollar patron ethnic every wasn't a while. You gotta lower the bar so people could get in because it's we shouldn't always have those financial barriers in place I don't like. Well, you know what we did We have so many generous patrons. We've had hundreds of patrons by outright donate one year premium memberships thirty, six bucks. So. For people who can't swing at right now or or some of our frontline workers are healthcare workers, veterans you know people in need and and people who deserve them, and we got hundreds and hundreds from our super generous patrons and we we have a little bit of a surplus now. So you could sign up, go to DOT COM and sign up and get a free sponsorship for a year and love it I love that it's a brilliant idea by the way. Thanks I love it. Okay. I have from anonymous Pranati in her. Over the Labor Day holiday weekend I started writing postcards for postcards to voters by the way a g my dad does this never. Too much but he's it makes it feels him up he loves writing his postcards. It's a postcard writing campaign that encourages Democratic voters in swing states and states with key racist to vote by mail and encourage other voters in key races to vote for progressive candidates a h it really is something great for everybody to do if you feel like you can't do anything. Okay. That's that's an Albedo. Back, to anonymous, I was able to handwrite a male over a hundred postcards by the end of the weekend hat tip to my husband Pete for helping by writing a few of them and to my twelve year old daughter for helping to put stamps on each card. Most of the cars have set this far to Democratic voters in counties throughout Florida. A key state and the twenty twenty presidential election and to encourage Democrats into tacky to vote for a McGrath with the US. Senate who's running to unseat Turtle Dick Scout Mitch. McConnell. We gotta get rid of him. EIJI. We gotTA GET RID OF. She goes on to say turning the Senate blew is just as important as kicking trump out of the White House, we agree with you non and the S.. Hundred percent hotter percent. Join me doing a little activism from home riding postcards by visiting www dot postcards to voters dot com postcards to voters a plural on both of those words everybody. Thank you A. G. Jordan Ah Mandy for keeping me sane and laughing the less two or so years. The happy hour on Fridays have been a lifeline for me during the pandemic found people, they are the Lagoon Manati. I love that we have our own language, Turtle Dick Mitch and Likud. Manati, it's fucking essential I haven't heard. I've missed the Turtle Dick. Thanks. So I it's a bad image. I gotTA. Admit I don't quite want that image in my head but. You know whatever? Matthew fucking whitaker is big Dick Toilet wine or hot tub. Yeah. I know you guys up with goods this names on your podcast. Minor Very Salty Yeah, we did. You know it. So make it through I. Don't know how to make it through but calling these people out for fucking fuck it are as far agreed. Okay. Percent I concur next up from Sharon Gene San. Francisco. Sharon says my mother, my business partner and whole family who are all lifelong Republicans are all voting for Biden my business partner said while like some of his policies. No economy or tax benefit is worth four more years of trump. This is the most I've been able to talk to him about politics in four years since he voted for trump I have learned to patiently listen and then offer more food for thought or an article to read now that he is off the trump train, my next goal is to work on getting them to vote for Jamie Harrison because he lives in South Carolina, he has a strong network of friends and colleagues there. I. FIGURE IF I can get him to come around spread the word to all of his friends. Lb I love that. No economy or tax benefit is worth four more years of now. The economy is in shambles right now and we're all paying I'm paying more taxes but. That's a great line. You know for for Republicans on the fence or moderate Republicans on the fence Hayden was what nothing is worth. This right I mean if people can't reach a place right now they're like, okay we've had enough of this. Then, they're not reachable anyway. So it is nice to hear that there are you know. Our folks are Republicans are finally I think they probably may decision maybe a while back of sort of saying I'm GonNa vote if it's by no vote for Biden but now they're at least they're willing to talk about it share it. There's no shame in it You know just admitting that you made a mistake it's really really really hard to be conned. and. It's GonNa be really hard for the people who voted for trump who know they were conned to at that level of that. This is especially if they wore his merger, you know talked. About it publicly it it's a very as much says, people don't have any shame. It actually is a very shameful place spiritually for people to be in to go oh, my God I fell for that and. And to it and to get past it but once they can say, okay, enough nothing's worth it. I'm GonNa vote for Biden. Yup I promise you these people become dragons right? They become. Oh Yeah. Up here. It's like ex smokers are the biggest you know anti-smoker on the planet. Any any customer who has been learned as a customer service. Any customer WHO's been turned around inside their mind change is a street team member for sure. So yeah, thanks again for that Sharon in San Francisco I appreciate it who have next here L. Bianca on K. pronouns she her good news my seven year old uncle is a volunteer caretaker of the US force services animals stock. Okay. So let's horses mules used in maintaining the area. In the loss Padras National Force in California. Oh guys it's on fire. Okay. I have a feeling. I. Know What? This go say he lives in a cabin provided for him and has no vehicle. He is totally dependent on the outside world to bring him whatever else he needs. It's a very bare barebones situation, but he has found a purpose in this role that he desperately needed. The Dolan, fire was headed this way and I was desperately worried for him as I track fire online. He had been planning to try to shelter the animals in a pipe corral and try to let the fire burn by him but was afraid the animals would spook. I watched as the on God I'm getting nervous I watch the online trackers showed the fire go through the area where he lived waiting to hear from him. The next morning we finally heard that someone had gone in to go get the animals and later he got the go order and so much come out. Later. He found out that the building he lived in was encircled by fire but made it through however building all his equipment and tools did not he and the animals are safe though and in the shit show that is these days as I sit here with the sky, the most apocalyptic color orange that I have ever seen I'm going to see this as the best news I have heard long time as we keep telling him, he moans about the loss quote things are replaceable people are not. Yeah. It's it's hard. It's hard to be out here I'm so I'm so glad I wanna say an uncle I am so thrilled that your that your loved one made it through and the animals are okay. And you're right. It's really really really hard out in California right now. And I feel like because all the news is so focused on the east coast in terms of where people live that bring us the news regularly breath prenton cable. that. If they were out here. I feel like this would be twenty, four, seven I feel like this is all anybody would be talking about. and so we get missed you know. But that orange sky that darkness you know At eight o'clock in the morning, a friend of mine was driving and take pictures and it was dark as night and. It it's very apocalyptic here and Climate change is real and everybody needs to. Start thinking about how we're gonNA. Howard solve these problems. Michael. I. I'm. Glad, he's safe. I'm so glad he's safe. Good News. And, also, on my dams are open. If you need anything you minister, go fund me and need to do anything to replace the tools whatever you let me know. Next. And this is our final bit of good news and this is from Helen. And Helen says a special. Thank you to your Tech Person Kunai who was so patient and kind of walking me through the mysteries of getting connected to the premium feed such understanding, and so reassuring that I am not as big of a tech idiot as I feared I really am. But how generous to say otherwise you have some remarkable people working with you. So a big hug and a kiss to my new best friend Kunai. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Helen. Thank you so much and can I thank you so much we do have a really really incredible staff here and it's because of y'all it's because of patrons like you. That that we can. You know we pay them way above living wage and we give everybody healthcare and all sorts of stuff. So thank you so much to this is I. Think. This is a symbiotic relationship. All say you all say I can't make it without you. You bring me sanity I say the same thing to you and yeah, we we really support each other and I love this community LB. Thanks for joining me today. so much everybody talks about the narrative cast with Social Evan and LBJ and only our our friend Greg only are and Eric Garland is on that show as well. So check that out and lb do you have any final thoughts before we get out of here I? Don't I WANNA I wanna go to bed now it's been a long day of of. Of horrible this although I have to go I have to go help my daughter with I have to do high school Algebra because this is my life now. Ed so good news. We'll hopefully get as. I'm in high school again it's. All of our nightmares, all of our nightmare recurring dreams are actually coming. True. We're all back in. High School. Being tested. It's quite something. Anyway well. You know. Thoughts and prayers. Live near laugh. Thanks. Everybody thanks much. We'll see you tomorrow. Take care of yourself. Take care of each other take care of the planet and take care of your mental health. I've been G in them's the beans. The daily beans is executive produced and directed by AG Jordan Coburn and engineered edited by Mackenzie Mozelle and starbucks. Industries Are Marketing Manager Executive Assistant Production, and social media direction as Amanda Reader Fact Checking Research by AG, Jordan Coburn, and Amanda Reader. 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Ep. 1007 - Flynn Goes Free

"Former national security adviser Michael. Flynn is exonerated. By the Justice Department. Democrats insist on continued lockdown with no alternative plan and tear reads out. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. This show is sponsored by expressive. Vpn Don't like the government spying on you visit expressive VPN Dot com slash Ben to stay anonymous okay so we will get to everything corona virus related because the new economic reports are just as stunning and shocking as people thought they would be. We now have great depression level unemployment. In this country we went over the course of six weeks from three point. Five percent unemployment to fourteen point seven percent unemployment which are levels not recorded since the Great Depression. Are we allowed to talk about ending this? We allowed to talk about it. Or you're just GONNA scream that we're killing grandma. If we even have discussions about how to responsibly reopen we will get to that but the big story of the day yesterday is that the Department of Justice dropped the case against Michael. Flynn President Trump's former national security advisor to recap what happened with Michael. Flynn basically Michael. Flynn had been put in place as national security adviser with the incoming national security advisor for president trump. There are fairly significant questions about whether that was a good pick. Considering the Michael. Flynn was very friendly with Russia. Today he was very friendly with the government of Turkey. There are questions about those sorts of associations but aside from that he had a call with Sergei Kislyak. Who was the Russian Ambassador? That was not illegal. He was the incoming trump national security advisor. Not Illegal for him to talk to Sergei Kislyak. Apparently he was talking with Kislyak about sanctions with regard to Israel or un UN sanctions with regard to Israel UN resolutions with regard to Israel that was happening simultaneous with the Obama administration attempting at the very last minute to basically pull the rug out from under Israel. So who's calling up Kislyak? And they were having a negotiation about all of this he was called in front of the FBI the FBI went and visited with him and when they visited with him. They said. Don't worry we're not investigating you or anybody close to you. We're just here for a friendly chat and the middle of that chat. They asked him whether he'd had conversation with Kislyak. This is in the middle of the entire. Trump is Russian catspaw. Obviously this this election only went the way it did because of Russian interference and they asked him if he had talked Kislyak and he said he had not talked with Kislyak. And the meantime by the way they'd been basically threatening him that if he had talked Kislyak he might have violated the Logan Act. The Logan Act is a century and a half old piece of legislation that is overwhelmingly believed to be legal scholars unconstitutional. It basically says that if you're an American citizen you can't carry out your own foreign policy. Not only is he an American citizen though he was the incoming national security advisor. There's nothing remotely legal about him talking with the Russian ambassador so he to the FBI right that is the part that is undisputed as he flipped to the FBI then comes out that they're all sorts of documents to make it look like the FBI is attempting to get him to fifth to the FBI simply so that they can then turn him against other members of the trump administration and maybe start moving up the food chain toward president trump in their quixotic quest to get trump on trump collusion. Well it turns out that after three years of this basically bankrupting Michael. Flynn after three years of him being in danger of having to go to jail for violation of fitting to the FBI. And I say fitting as opposed to lying because it's sort of a fit when you lie about something non material. It is alive when you when you lie about something material. There's an underlying crime. Did you do the drug? You'll like nope? The new the drug dealers translated the drug outright lying to the FBI in pursuit of a crime. If they ask you. Did you eat ice cream yesterday? And you're like nope didn't need ice cream yesterday. Eating ice cream was not a crime. That's why I'm using the term fitting as opposed to lying. I am deliberately downplaying. The extent of the why because. I do not think that this was a material and neither did the DOJ. According to National Review the Justice Department yesterday moved to withdraw. Its case against the former trump national security advisor setting newly discovered and disclosed information. According to a new court filing the was first reported by the Associated Press it came less than an hour after the top prosecutor on the case again in Brandon van Grech submitted his withdrawal from the case. It's pretty obvious. He knew what was coming down the pike and he decided he was going to withdraw as a sign of protest the decision so that the White House Interview Flynn gave to the FBI led to his guilty plea was conducted without any legitimate investigative basis. In other words even before the I went and talked with Flynn there've been recommendations to shut down any investigation of Flynn and then they reopened it specifically because they thought that perhaps they could sort of bully flynn into either line or into turning on people inside the trump administration. We'll get to more of this in just one second because this leading to accusations of politicization of the DOJ thing. I can say to that is. Have you heard Janet Reno Former Attorney General under Bill Clinton? Have you heard of Eric holder? Have you heard of Loretta Lynch? That's not what aboutism. It's just a point out that if jay is politicized which I think frankly Zeh less politicized DOJ than anything coming out of the Obama Administration. If you're talking about the dangers of politicized DOJ you might. WanNa start a little bit earlier than the last five minutes. Anyway we'll get to all that in just one second first. Let's talk about the fact that now with this level of economic uncertainty you need to be on top of your business. You just cannot afford to not approach your business in granular fashion particularly when it comes to your data you need to know everything there is to know about your business. 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That continued prosecution of this case of not serve the interest of justice materiality said the said the DOJ is an essential element of the offense materiality moreover requires more than mere relevance or relatedness to the matter being investigated requires probative. Wait whereby the statement is reasonably likely to influence the tribunal in making a determination required to be made. And they're saying that this is not something that happened. They say after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case including new discovery disclosed information appended to the defendants supplemental pleadings and basically only in the last couple of weeks that the government finally turned over to the defense all of these relevant documents. The government has concluded that the interview of Flynn was untethered to an unjustified by the FBI counter intelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn a no longer justifiably predicated at investigation that the FBI had in the bureau's own words prepared to close because because it had yielded an absence of any derogatory information or in early January the FBI had said we're going to close this thing. The government is not persuaded that the January twenty four th two thousand seventeen interview was conducted with legitimate investigative basis and therefore does not believe Mr Flint. Statements were material even if untrue moreover we we do not believe that the government can approve either the relevant false statements or their materiality beyond a reasonable doubt so here is the background as the J. lays it out the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into Flynn on August sixteenth. Two Thousand Sixteen as part of the larger crossfire hurricane umbrella investigation into the presidential campaign of president trump and its coordination with Russian officials. Code-named crossfire razor. The investigation stated goal was to determine whether Flynn was directed and controlled by end or coordinated activities with the Russian Federation in a manner which is a threat to national security or possible violation of the foreign agents registration act in addition to the predication for opening crossfire hurricane which didn't identify Flynn. The FBI predicated the counterintelligence investigation of unarticulated factual basis that considered three facts flint services foreign policy adviser to the trump campaign is publicly documented connections state affiliated Russian entities. And the fact that he traveled to Russia in December two thousand fifteen now after four months of investigation the FBI came up with nothing and they found. He was no longer a viable candidate. As part of the larger crossfire hurricane umbrella case they prepare to close at the investigation at some point prior to January two thousand seventeen the FBI even crafted a closing communication to affect the termination of the case. The document noted the specific goal and predication for the investigation it laid out the numerous searches of holdings and investigative steps the yielded no derogatory information on. Flynn stated that the investigation had failed to produce any information on which to predicate further investigative efforts in noted. No interview of Flynn was required as part of the case closing procedure and they said the F. B. I. Is closing the investigation before the intended case closing actually affect the FBI learned that Flynn had talked to Kislyak in December two thousand sixteen by this time. Of course Flynn had already been named by trump the incoming national security advisor the FBI had the transcripts with relevant calls believing counterintelligence have flynn was to be closed. The leadership determined to continue its investigation of Flynn on the basis of the calls and considered opening a new criminal investigation based solely on Logan Act. And this is where you get into complete. Bs has not been prosecuted successfully. One hundred years like really. It's never been prosecuted successfully not once on January for two thousand seventeen. Fbi Deputy Assistant Director. Peter Struck learned that the closure had not been timely executed. The counterintelligence investigation into Flynn was formerly still open. Struck immediately relayed the serendipitous Lee. Good news to LISA PAGE SPECIAL COUNSEL TO FBI Director Andrew. Mccabe remarking are utter incompetence? Actually helps us page reacted with surprise. Relief struck instructed agents to keep it open for now at the behest of the seventh floor struck indicated. There was a need to decide what to do with him. Other internal FBI messages from that afternoon. Reflect apparently related conversations about a potential interview as of January fourth. The FBI kept its counterintelligence investigation into Flynn based solely open they solely on his calls with Kislyak on January twelfth. The Washington Post reported communications. Seen Flynn and Kislyak the next day. Sean Spicer spokesperson for the trump transition clarified. The communications had involved only logistics. That seem to contradict the nature of the calls and then vp pens stated in a news interview that Flynn had suggested his conversation with. Kislyak did not relate to sanctions around that time. Fbi Director Comey advised DOJ leadership of its investigation into Flynn and senior officials at the FBI had concerns that the incumbent White House officials descriptions of Flynn's call Kislyak accurate combing took the position the FBI would not notify the incoming trump administration of the Flynn Kislyak Communications. Okay so now what we have. Is They think that Flynn lied. Members of the administration but they have the transcripts of the calls. They know they didn't do anything that actually violated the Logan actor the law. But they're seeing daylight between the trump administration and Flynn and this is when you get into one and get Flynn fired so that we can get him to testify against other members of the trump administration or do we want to catch him in a lie said he's consistent with what he is told other members of the trump administration and then we can catch them in a line. We can threaten him so that he'll turn on members the trump administration that seems to be the logic here deputy Attorney General Sally Gates and other DOJ officials believe the incoming administration should be notified but Qomi said no gates and another senior official became frustrated when combs justification for withholding the information from the trump administration repeatedly morphed vacillating from potential compromise counterintelligence investigation so the protection of purport purported criminal investigation the deputy attorney general deny director of Central Intelligence Agency all agreed the FDA should notified the incoming trump administration of what it actually been said on the calls. Me Refuse to brief the White House because Komi apparently was thoroughly convinced that the Russians were playing the trump administration and he didn't want to tip them off to the fact that investigation was going on. The Coleman should have been fired four. This is ridiculous. Stuff gyms coming who's busy posturing presumably in the woods right now. Matters came to a head twenty four to two thousand seventeen this all the letter morning. Yates contacted directly to man the FBI notify the White House of the communication. So Yates has been sort of dragged through the mud by the trump administration to a certain extent gates actually wanted the FBI notify the White House. Director Comey didn't return the call. When combing called her back later that day he advised her. Fbi agents were already on their way to the White House interview. Flynn Yates was flabbergasted and dumbfounded other senior. Doj officials hit the roof upon learning of that development saying an interview of Flint should have been coordinated with the DOJ in fact senior officials at the FBI had been engaged in discussions of how to approach Flynn and whom to notify January. Twenty thousand seventeen struck proposed to bill priest at the FBI counterintelligence chief that Flynn should be given a defensive briefing about an investigation under the crossfire. Hurricane umbrella or alternatively interview under light defensive briefing pretext struck noted that the G. O. J. might direct us to inform vice president or somebody else and they didn't want to do that and they wouldn't explain why they didn't want to tell the trump administration on January twenty seconds if an FBI attorney emailed struck and page that. If we usually tell the White House I think we ought to do what we normally do. Though the official noted that could be told not to debrief for interview. Flynn in advance of the interview. Komi determined they would go interview. Flynn the following day without notifying either the DOJ or the White House in a December two thousand eighteen interview. He said that this was something we probably wouldn't have done or gotten away with no more organized administration k then messages between struck and page indicated that precept had conducted several conversations. Danny McCabe because he wanted to know why we had to go aggressively doing these things openly on the morning of January twenty fourth follow. What MESSAGES BETWEEN STRUCK? In page indicated the precept brought it up again in front of Kami and McCabe was frustrated and cut him off any events. Mccabe called Flint. Who arranged the interview? He explained the recent media statements about his contacts with Kislyak Meriden to sit down and they said that they wanted to do this quickly. Quietly discreetly as possible. Flynn was unguarded in the interview. He viewed the agents allies when interviewing flint struck. The other agent didn't show him the transcripts of the calls nor did the agents give it any point warnings that making false statements would be a crime normally in these sorts of situations. You want to give the person fair warning thereabouts ally specifically because you already know that they have lied in the past. So you sort of want to put that out there. They didn't want to do that. The basic idea here was that they were going to essentially catch flynn out and then they were going to use him. According to the FBI agents recollections when act asked Lynn recalled any conversation in which he encouraged Kislyak not to escalate the situation in response to American sanctions. Flynn responded uncertainly stating not really. I don't remember it wasn't don't do anything. Flynn also stated although it was possible he didn't recall any conversation in which the ambassador stated that Russia would moderate. Its response to Flynn's request. Meanwhile when asked if you recall the asking countries to take certain actions on that UN vote on Israeli Settlements Flint explained the conversations. Were along the lines of where you stand. What's your position after the interview? The FBI agents expressed uncertainty as to whether Flint had actually lied. Fbi agents reported to their leadership that Flynn exhibited very sure demeanor and didn't give any indicators of deception both of the agents had the impression Flynn wasn't lying or didn't think he was lying when he was asked. Do you believe Flynn lied. Qomi said I don't know I think there's an argument humidity light. It's close one on November. Thirtieth two thousand seventeen. The special counsel's office filed a Criminal Information. Against Flynn charging him with that. Single counts of making false statements. Flynn pled guilty to the offense. He so the the question as to law is whether there is materiality here they say that it is not just that you have to tell why you have to show that there was materiality to the underlying investigation in the case of Mr. Flynn says the DOJ the evidence shows his statements were not material to any viable counterintelligence investigation or any investigation for that matter initiated by the FBI the FBI had recognized lacked sufficient basis to sustain is initial counter intelligence investigation. They found no derogatory information on. Flynn the communications in Flint and Kislyak did not warrant either continuing that existing counterintelligence investigation or opening a new criminal investigation. The calls were entirely appropriate on their face. Flynn never disputed. The calls were made indeed. Flynn is former director of Defense. Intelligence Agency would have readily expected the FBI had known of the calls in the words of one senior DOJ official. It seemed logical there. Maybe some communication between an incoming administration and their foreign partners and there was nothing said on the cost indicate anything inappropriate going on also the FBI knew the contents of the calls with no dispute as to what was said. There was no factual basis for the predication of a new counterintelligence investigation. And they didn't open a criminal investigation. Based on Flynn's calls with Kislyak predicated on the Logan Act in fact they never attempted to open a Logan Act. Investigation on these grounds Flynn's communications implicated. No crime is so they decided they were going to let this thing. Go and the reason they're gonNa let this go is because again. There was really no criminal activity here. This has set off an absolute firestorm. The here is that Flynn presumably. Should have been prosecuted because it's unusual for the DOJ after a guilty plea to actually just released the person we'll get to that in just one second. 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He originally originally pled guilty back in two thousand seventeen and now they're advocating basically they're just getting rid of the case. And so people are mad about Julia Sullivan. Former federal prosecutor who teaches criminal law says. I've been practicing for more time than I care to admit. I've never seen anything like this. The case against Flynn was originally brought by the office of the former special counsel. Robert Muller. It'd become a political cost for trump and his supporters bar. Instead short-circuited the case on Thursday Timothy Shay the Attorney in the District of Columbia. Told the judge overseeing the case the prosecutors were were throwing it. That's because the department could not prove to a jury that Flynn's admitted lies to the FBI or material the move essentially a racist Flynn's guilty plea because he was never sentenced and the government is not willing to pursue the matter further. The prosecution is virtually certain certain Dan although the judge could still decide whether to grant the department's request to dismiss it with prejudice could theoretically be repealed in the future if the judge decides differently a pardon would have been a lot more honest than Samuel Buell a former federal prosecutor who now teaches criminal at Duke University says the regarding what counts as material is extremely forgiving to the government. The idea is that law enforcement is permitted to pursue criminal theories of criminality and to interview people without having firmly established. There was a crime. I yeah but if you just like five seconds ago said dismissing the entire investigation against somebody and then you are just relieved that it's still technically open so you can try to you. I mean trubisky. They're trying to flip. Flynn against other people in the trump administration because they. Here's the bottom line it looks like there are people including Komi inside the DOJ and the FBI. At the time who are firmly convinced that trump Russia collusion had happened and that was just a matter of raising the evidence so as to trump. And so flynn was just a tool in that he was just a way of going after going after trump and or removing flynn from the process because as national security adviser he would be overseeing the investigation itself in some ways. It'd be able to protect trump again. Some of the investigation. That's the theory of Andrew McCarthy over at National Review so the DOJ saying listen. We're not going for this. Yes it's unusual for the Dod DOJ this you know what else is really unusual prosecuting. The National Security Adviser on the basis of a Logan Act. Fib Okay Logan. Acts is not a thing. It's not a thing. And the idea that the Logan Act was supposedly the predicate for going and getting him to lie so that you could go after him and get him out of the chain of command is really incredible. It doesn't undermined faith in the institution in the first place. I mean the the the fact that they went forward with something like this on the basis of your incoming national security adviser talked with the Russians and then didn't tell everything in the call to vice president pence material lion a criminal case. You'd good good luck with that in court number one beyond that the fact that this was being carried out by holdovers from the Obama Administration does not exactly create a level of trust and this is particularly true when we find out from Fox News that President Obama was aware of the details of the incoming national security adviser. Michael Flynn's intercepted December. Two Thousand Sixteen phone calls with Russian. Ambassador. Sergei Kislyak apparently surprising deputy attorney general. Sally Yates according to documents released on Thursday. Apparently Obama was an intimate knowledge of the details of Flynn's call. Obama personally had warned the trump administration against hiring. Flynn made clear he was not a fan. Obama had fired Flynn as head of the DIA in two thousand fourteen. Obama cited insubordination. Flynn said that he was pushed out. Because of his aggressive stance on combating Islamic extremism on January fifth two thousand seventeen years attended an Oval Office meeting with Komi and Biden and Brennan. I James Clapper. They were discussing Russian election interference after the briefing. Obama asked me to stay behind. He said he had learned the information about Flynn and his conversation with Russia's ambassador about sanctions. This would have been the day. After the request. To end the case right Obama specified. He did not want any additional information on manner but was seeking information on whether the White House should be treating flint any differently given the information so there are two ways of reading that one is should the White House be shutting Flintoff Information. Because you guys think he's a criminal and that's an honest question. The other is so. I've been hearing through the grapevine. Basically this case is coming to an end. I see that there's this call out. There may be. You shouldn't let this case come to an end. We don't exactly know what was said. Apparently Yates had no idea what the president was talking about. Apparently Yates was being gone. She's the deputy attorney general and they went directly around her. Yates recalled Komi mentioning. The Logan. Act CAn't recall. If he specified there is an investigation did not talk about prosecution in the meeting. I mean it's pretty amazing the FBI suggest by the way why exactly. Flynn was originally prosecute basically because was on trump's team because he had been in Russia today and because he went to Russia in December. Two Thousand Fifteen. That's like the whole thing. So the this whole case was Finley predicated in the very first place and all the objections that this would somehow somehow this is really a destruction of legitimacy of the DOJ to drop a case. That was those thin to begin with and that really was dedicated to removing all obstacles between the investigation and trump in a case that was poorly predicated itself. That's a mistake already coming up. We're GONNA get everything corona virus related. We'll get to that in just one second. I let's talk about your sleep quality so I will admit to you that this is a very stressful time for everybody and also when you are home with your kids that means that you're just are not getting enough hours late. May 'cause they're going to bed too late. 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Here's an actual chart showing the number of daily positives declining as a percentage of the actual test. That is the question the the if you take a look at the daily positives declining chart from gottlieb. That's what I want right. The daily positivity rate over is declining. So what you see here is that there was a sharp rise between basically March thirteenth and April Tenth. Or so which makes sense because those are the two weeks following lockdown so the infection is still running rampant. And you're starting to see the testing increases and you're starting to see people testing positive more often and now you're starting to see a fairly sharp decline to the point where we are now in terms of daily positively test rate. We're now down around ten percent. We're up about twenty percents so it's been have a pretty solid flattening of the curve. That has happened right there. And then. So so what? This raises the question of is. What exactly are we attempting to do now right we. We've we've locked down right. We had the lockdown. We've flatten the curve and flattening the curve. We completely flattened the economy. The economy is completely flat line. Layoffs have now topped thirty three million in the United States. Thirty three million. The unemployment rate in the United States is now fourteen point seven percent. These are great. Depression levels of unemployment J. P. Morgan is suggesting it will take ten years for the economy to recover the jobs that it lost just in the last month and a half long. Are we allowed to discuss? Risks and trade offs anymore. Are we allowed to do that now? Or are we going to continue to do this routine? Where if we talk about opening up at all then we are going to then. We're killing grandma. So up for the folks who are pushing lockdown it is obvious political ploy Andrew. Cuomo continues to play this game. The worth really. He's a terrible governor Andrew Cuomo. It's incredible man has an approval rating in the eighties. He has mishandled is worse than any government governor in America. Worse Than Gavin newsom worse than any of the Republicans who are brought under under scrutiny. Rhonda Santa's is writing in the mid fifties right now Rhonda Santa's handled this way better than anybody else okay. Rhonda Santa's basically said listen. We're only gonNA shut down when we feel the necessity to down. Every place else stays open. And yes. We'll do social distancing. I'm not going to treat the panhandle of Florida the same way that I'm going to treat Miami and South Beach yesterday. For example said listen. People should be outdoors. They should be on beaches as long as they're staying away from each other. There's no evidence of outdoor transmission. We have virtually no evidence of any outdoor transmissions leading to outbreaks via the beach. Be at a golf course. The fishing anything that Florida's known for the transmission is typically occurred in enclosed environments. When you have repeated contact with someone such as in the home and so our policy was never to try to drive people indoors. It does show the incredible power of the media that down in the Mid Fifty S. Well Governor Andrew Cuomo. Who's been awful awful? I mean the fact that he gets on TV and he tells you the bad news he only has luxury telling you the bad news because he can blame trump at the top of the government. But I mean when he says stuff like these such God he says stuff like every life is priceless again. Every life is priceless in terms of its moral worth when it comes to actually calculating public policy. Nobody suggests that we have to mitigate all risks down to zero and this seems to be the new fangled thought here is that we're going to mitigate down zero. He can't come out of your homes. You can start to go back to work with social distancing. We can't protect that. We're going to just stay. Walk down forever until the risks. Go back to zero. No abolish death right. Joe Biden tweeted out that it's not worth one. Life is not worth one life to raise the Dow Jones Industrial Average. One point okay. Well then I suppose that we should probably just all abandoned our jobs and then we can sit in our homes and we confirm dirt in our backyard. Sounds good can go back to pre civilization era when everybody's life expectancy was thirty five. I guess that's a good alternative if you're more on so yours. Andrew Cuomo suggesting yesterday we're not going to choose between the health health and the economy. We're just there's no choice. It's a false choice whenever people suggest in politics. That choice is a false choice. Typically they mean that it's just a choice they don't actually want to talk about. Here's Andrew Cuomo avoiding responsibility for making choices that he's going to have to make if it's about money we can. We'll figure it out but you have to have your health. That's why public health versus the economy. I don't see the trade off we have to have our health We should protect human life. I don't care if a person is old. I'm old by your definition. I still think I have a value right. My mother's old. She's the most precious person to me. So protect every life and I'm not going to trade off Public Health and we'll figure out the dollars and we'll figure out the economic impact. What a cheap and lazy political point of view I mean that is just cheap lazy demagoguery. Of course every life has value. Of course I've got parents. Who are in their sixties. You think I want them to plot. Nobody wants I've I've grandmothers are in their nineties. Do you think I want them to plots? Of course I don't want them to plots. Nobody wants anybody to die. The question is what are the risks that we as a society are willing to undertake to allow an economy to function. This is complete idiocy. The way this is being discussed complete idiocy and by the way. I don't want to hear from Andrew Cuomo about how dedicated he has to protect and the elderly when he wouldn't even protect the damn nursing homes. Show you some stats from these nursing homes. Because they're insane let me tell you some stats from the nursing. Homes so by country. Here are the percentage of cove in nineteen deaths taking place in nursing homes across world. Okay twenty five. Percents of all deaths in Australia were in nursing homes sixty two percent in Canada thirty three percent and Denmark fifty one percent in France thirty six percent Germany sixty percents in Ireland. Thirty two percents in Israel forty percents in Portugal. Forty five percents in Sweden K. And then if you look at the United States where you're going to see similar. Statistics in the United States by state fifty eight percent of deaths nursing homes Connecticut fifty five percent Delaware Sixty five percent Florida. Thirty eight percent Georgia forty eight percents Indiana. Thirty Five Percent Kentucky fifty seven percent Louisiana thirty seven percent. Minnesota eighty one percent Mississippi forty seven. Forty four percent New Hampshire seventy seven percent. Oklahoma forty-three Percent Rhode Island's seventy six percent Tennessee. Twenty Five Percent Wisconsin. Forty two percents. New Jersey is reporting that they're they're death. Share is actually now fifty percent. Pennsylvania is up to is up to sixty eight percent. Virginia is fifty nine percent nursing homes New York. We don't know because New York refuses to report these statistics. Why does New York refused to report the statistics because then Andrew Cuomo might be forced to recognize that his dumb ass policy of we are going to force nursing home to take back in people with cove in nineteen killed a lot of people? Here is Andrew Cuomo being asked about his state handling of the nursing homes and completely botching it. We knew the nursing homes. We're going to be a target. And whatever we do they will be a target. Are People doing everything they can do? We have the equipment. We have the staff doing everything they could do again. They're doing everything they can do. While they're doing everything they can do. In in in light of the fact that you're regulations are garbage. But here's the bottom line. Would you actually like to protect the people who are dying from cove? Nineteen protect the nursing homes. That is tasked number. One is protect nursing homes and then we need to trans people back into work and we need to do it. Forthwith and there's nothing more lazy than this idea that if you loosen locked down if you let people go back to work that it's going to be like nine eleven everyone's what Al Gore was saying. Al Gore is out there yesterday. Saying it'll be just like nine eleven. Every day provide me an alternative. I've not yet heard an alternative from any of you for many of you like what when the cases get zero. It ain't happening with eighty percent symptomatic transmission. What we're doing fifty million tests today when we have contact tracing for fifty million people in the United States. The hell are you talking about? Here's Al Gore being Dug when the University of Washington made these adjustments they said within a month. We're going to see three thousand deaths per day two hundred thousand new infections each day. That's a nine eleven every single day. A and a norm net thinking that somehow magically. That's not gonNA happen. This is a thatched reopen its botched reopening. We haven't even reopened yet. The hell are you talking about? And how do you know it's a battery when you haven't even seen the stats coming out of Georgia? My favorite thing is when the members of the media start citing increased testing statistics to cite the increased number of posits. Even doing this for to look at how many positives are coming out in Texas and flora. Yes because they're increasing their testing. They're their testing idiots. Came just a second. We're going to get to actually the measures that are now being taken. Because they're absurd absurd. I'm sorry they're just absurd and the attitude. That's being taken with regards relieving lockout. We have to discuss the fact that thirty three million Americans are out of jobs. And if you refuse to recognize this thing you're abandoning those thirty three million Americans and don't tell me can fill them with the government check. You can't there are people who are losing their livelihoods. They're losing their dreams. They're losing their ability to feed their children. And you're telling me you're the Compassionate One because you won't even condemned governor for refusing to protect the nursing homes. Go to hell seriously. It's ridiculous at this point we're GONNA get to how people don't even discuss the policy in just one second first. 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Also other bad ideas policing the Ice Cream. Man says the thing that happened yesterday. There is a local news affiliate that was broadcasting out the face of an ice cream truck driver who is not practicing social distancing who was driving around in his truck it was not wearing a mask and he was handing children the least vulnerable members of our population prepackaged frozen fruits. I mean unbelievable. The level of viciousness of this humane clearly should be featured on local media and we should make him an outlaw. Probably put him on the FBI. Ten most wanted because when I think of like severe dangerous heading people ice cream outside with you know distance between you. That's naturally created by being inside a truck and handling stuff to people outside. Clearly this guy is just what a terrible person here was the local. Cbs Chicago Report on this good idea to stay at home order cove in nineteen eventually. Are Greg got a bit closer? Tried to get an answer for Mr Free again. His name only selling children were sick. No I WANNA stay healthy. The village manager tells us if she that Ice Cream. Man Call Nine one one. Call Nine one one MR freeze. He's on the loose again. Meanwhile over in Texas Shelly Luther. Who's the salon owner who is engaged in social distancing responsibly? Opening her business like a few days early and a judge tried to throw her in jail for a week and find her seven thousand dollars. She walked out of jail too low to loud applause yesterday. Which is good. But here's the thing the pedal is going to. The rubber is going to be the road here. Okay there's just no way for you to to enforce these sorts of things without actual without actual police enforcement. Are you willing to do that? Are you willing? Are you willing to throw people in jail for not wearing a mask in public areas while providing cannabis to the homeless in San Francisco? This is the thing they're actually doing. Okay according to the San Francisco Chronicle San Francisco Health Department confirmed on Wednesday that the city was administering tobacco medical cannabis and other substances in an effort to prevent a handful of people quarantined or isolating in city lead hotels from going outside and get the substances themselves. So it's great. Now we have home delivery by the government of illegal medications to to homeless people who are living in hotels at the expense of the government. Great policy excellent excellent policy. I'm sorry this this is insanity especially if you were going to say that. Sure we have to. We have to be harsh on this because it's really it's flattening the curve. We are really making sure that we are stopping this thing if he got a plan. Then let's hear the plan but I haven't heard a plan yet. So yesterday I briefly discussed the fact that there is no actual plan here that we were told to go into lockdown and. Don't worry guys there would be a plan and then it turns out the plan doesn't exist and the reason the plan doesn't exist is because we don't actually know what's going to happen over the course of the next year where we have a series of models and they tell us what's GonNa Happen One month out but this is basically irrelevant. It's basically irrelevant. What's going to happen because we know that if people leave lock down there will be an additional number of infections? That is just the thing that is going to happen so yesterday. I actually put together in colorful fashion. The chart of what I'm talking about so you can see exactly to what I am referring. Okay so here is the. Here's the chart. The basic idea here. Is that there are three curves for folks who cannot see. There's a pink curve. There is a blue curve and there is a green curve. Okay the and then. There is a red line across the middle of the page that shows medical capacity. The three curves represent three different strategies of how to handle this thing. The pink curve was uncontrolled spread. The uncontrolled. Spread was basically. Just let everybody go about Willy. Nilly there's GonNa be a huge spike in cases and everybody's getting infected and then a lot of people are going to die because you're going to rise above the medical capacity right and you don't want that because all the people above the medical capacity might have been able to survive if you're not overwhelmed the medical capacity right. And that's what we did. We flatten the curve. So now arguing about which curve we want we want this blue curve or do we want the green curve. The blue curve rises faster and declines faster. It doesn't overwhelm medical capacity rises faster and it's clients faster and then there's the green curve which rises slower decline slower over time the number of infections and thus the number of deaths under both the blue curve and the green curve because they do not overall medical capacity number of infections and as a percentage of the infections. The number of deaths should be the same over time. So here's what the media are doing so that they can lie to you about lockdowns. The end of the world a lot are the only available solution. And if you don't lockdown want grandma what they're doing is they're showing you models that cut off in June twenty twenty. It is the vertical line that you see on the left. Hand side of the screen had vertical lines. June two thousand twenty. Now if you cut off the screen in June two thousand twenty. What you'd see is a huge number of cases and therefore deaths under the Blue Strategy Right which is make sure that people in nursing homes are taken care of. Make sure that elderly people stay home? Make sure that there is some form of social distancing specifically for people who are most vulnerable but everybody else you WanNa go to a ball game with a bunch of twenty year olds and then. There's some infections in all likelihood you will find because the odds of getting really sick really well right. That is pursuing herd immunity. Faster Fascists frontloading the herd immunity. So if you frontloaded her immunity your also frontloading the infections. So if you cut off the model at June two thousand eight hundred. What you see is that there'd be lot fewer people infected and a lot fewer people dead by the by the beginning of June. Two thousand eight hundred eighty under the heavy lockdown heavy social distancing model then under the controlled avalanche model but now move forward to June twenty twenty one forty year. And what do you see what you see? Is that the number of infections and the number of dead are basically the same in the blue model and green model. It's just that it was spread out longer over the green model right. The area under the two curves is the same meaning. The number of infections the number of dead is basically the same so long as you don't overwhelm the medical capacity. The difference between the Blue Model and the green model is the blue model involves reopening the the economy in heavier fashion right not destroying the entire world economy and the green model involves continuing to destroy the entire world economy. So here are your choices. Same number of people dead over the course of the next year you may save a few months for people but essentially same number of people infected and same number of people dead over the course of the next year but frontloaded to the pain is now versus. Spread out over time that instead of two thousand deaths today you get one thousand deaths today and then six months from now you're still getting one thousand today and then the other model you're now getting two hundred out today. Because went up. And then he went down right in one case. You didn't kill the economy and in one case you did kill the economy. These are the sorts of choices that have to be made right now. Not loves will say is that the blue curve does not actually exist right. That is only a choice between full. Walk down in full release and that is not true. It is just not true now. The other argument that I've seen here is that you'd have to that. It's very difficult to do anything like the sort of controlled avalanche strategy that. I'm talking about because you get what you call. Epidemic overshoot right. What that means is that. Let's say that her immunity happens sixty percent. But let's say that the thing spreads faster than you can actually control it so you may end up with eighty percent of the population infected when you only needed sixty percent of the population infected to achieve immunity right. So if you did it slowly. It gradually ease up to sixty percent. Her immunity would be achieved and then the other forty percent of people are protected. But if you allow people to go out Willy Nilly than you might achieve immunity but because the thing is spreading so fast you get people who are infected. Wouldn't have been infected if had done this slowly. That's true. But if you involve yourself in social distancing the way Tweeden has and you approach it more slowly then you're probably not going to get tremendous levels of debt. Overshoot right the key is. How do you get to her immunity without that? Tremendous epidemic. Now it is possible and this is sort of the the unspoken assumption that the green curve is better than the blue curve. If there's a therapeutic or vaccine developed now people are way too sanguine about the possibility of a very effective vaccine here even Bill Gates. He's been pushing vaccination. He says that the chances of developing like a super effective vaccine are not super over. The course of the next twelve months are not supremely high. The flu vaccine is used by about half of Americans. It's only forty five percent effective for those who use it even well known. Vaccines like protests. Vaccine those create a certain level of herd immunity and that's important but they're only about eighty percents effective for people who actually take the vaccine and they are not in an infected carol. So you're assuming that there will be a therapeutic treatment or that there will be a vaccine that fix everything. If you're not assuming that then you have to start thinking about what you can do to get past the the pain of the health situation in order to ensure that we have a functioning economy because guess what not only are you gonna get of despair. You're GONNA get enormous numbers of people in poverty. You're can have ruined lives in the tens of millions of not hundreds of millions within six weeks basically every small business in America will fail. You can't just keep signing checks for this sort of stuff forever. So what is the alternative? I keep hearing people like well. You're saying lockdown needs to end too early. Okay you tell me when. Do you think it's safer lockdown and nobody give you an answer instead. It's okay well when when we flattened the curve. We flatten the curve. Okay it'll be when there's a testing and tracing procedure in place that's capable of what of what testing tracing procedure capable of doing. What and nobody will explain that. Because the testing and tracing procedures are supposed to prevent the overwhelming of the Healthcare System. Which again was the presupposition of the blue curve? The chart that I just showed you. The presupposition of the blue curve is that it doesn't overwhelm medical medical capacity. So that's what you need testing in tracing for. You don't need it to get the right down to zero. There is no world in which we get down to zero. So how about this? How about we recognize the cost of what we are doing and sick of hearing there no cost what we are doing. They're clearly costs in reality. There's certain number of people who are deeply deeply comfortable with all of this. They're they're deeply comfortable and I'm talking about people like I on Presley apparently from Massachusetts she has a piece in USA Today called Congresswoman called inpose corona virus role. Politics has to change. She says the question. How will respond? Will we once again? Let fear and worry take over and drive US toward choices that take us backward or will we rise to the calling of this moment to man we replaced the principles that define our society today like inequality with the principles of humanity and justice. That will help us all succeed in other words if we continue down. Guess what there's going to be inordinate pressure for massive government interventionism universal basic income government subsidization of everybody at extraordinary levels. There are some people who are very comfortable lockdown because they actually liked the consequences of the full scale lockdown. That is not something that is acceptable. That is not acceptable to me. And I'm not going to stay in lockdown just that you can pursue your socialist utopia and guess what neither are most Americans. It's one thing to stay in lockdown based on expert advice as to how many lives is going to save over the course of the next year not over the next two weeks but I want to hear those estimates and I want to hear your plan for opening and responsible fashion because so far all I hear is people shrieking banshee every time somebody actually tries to make a calculation this hand with headlines like this from David Axelrod Donald Trump's cold hard political calculation. Weird because I don't hear any calculation from folks on the Democratic side. I just demagoguery. Our plan is that no one dies ever again in human history and all you have to do is give up all of your freedoms forever and we'll tell you when you can be free again. No I'm sorry. The answer is no nobody is offering a solution. Nobody it's just a bunch of demagogic nonsense already time for some things that I hate. We'll start with things I hate today. I've been advised by my producer. Colton that people like things better than they things. I like. We'll do things I hate today. I okay so things that I hate I I have to. I have to acknowledge that Joe Biden. His campaign is just. It's an awful campaign a truly awful campaign so yesterday Joe Biden had a virtual town hall. It was not good. It was not good townhall. Basically it failed. Technically on every single level involved Joe Biden trying to work a computer which is never a good idea. Here was Joe Biden trying to determine whether honoring virtual rally in Tampa Florida here. Here's Joe Biden. Being confused as to what computers are and why they didn't exist when he was a child. Please walk ICE president. Who By? That's okay guys. That is a that is not that those cutouts there. That's not our technical fault. That is his technical fault and the thing was glitch and he didn't know whether he was on and he somehow like sitting in the back of the room and then he sort of randomly approaches the camera. Yeah Good Luck right there. I will admit I did appreciate the squawking Myrddin trumping Biden and giving the most authoritative commentary of the day. Here's actually what it sounded like. Squawking bird just started sounding off in the middle of this should be designing economic response to avoid this desperate out. Trump's and not only desperate their effect people sober different ways so the funds can actually reach people in communities and small businesses in is supposed to be. Okay good good job by campaign other things that the Biden campaign is handling just topnotch Allegations did a sit down with Megan Kelly yesterday after the rest of the media basically said they wouldn't have her on for weeks and then finally they said they wanted to have ron and she was like you know what after rejected me for weeks. I'm going to go no on that and maybe I'll go over to somebody who At is going to be somewhat more sympathetic to allegations of sexual assault. So here is Teri yesterday calling for Joe Biden to drop out of the race. If he's watching this do you want to say to him? I WanNa say you and I were there. Joe Biden please. Step forward and be held accountable. You should not be running on character for the president of the United States. You want him to withdraw. He would but he won't but I wish he would. That's how I feel emotionally. Do you want an apology? I think it's a little late okay. And then Megan. Kelly asks if she'll take a polygraph and here is TERI dancer. She took a polygraph controlled by someone on her team. Is that something you WanNa do? I'm not a criminal. Joe Biden. Should take the polygraph. What kind of precedent does that set for? Survivors of violence. Does that mean were presumed guilty. And we all have to take polygraphs so I will take one Joe Biden takes one but I'm not a criminal. Okay so the reality is she should say sure. I'm happy to take a polygraph right. I have serious doubts as to terrorists credibility. Here I've been saying this for a while but I had serious doubts as to Christine blazinrewards credibility. Like I serious questions should be asked of anybody who alleges something as serious as a full on sexual assault. The DIFFERENCES DEMOCRATS. Don't feel the same way. There is certainly more contemporaneous evidence that territory actually even worked for Joe Biden and made complaints about Joe Biden. Then there was with Christine Lazy. Four according to the Mercedes' star taking this from the Taking this apparently from the Washington Post a court document from Nineteen ninety-six shows former Senate. Staffer territory told her husband. She was sexually harassed while working. For Joe Biden in Nineteen ninety-three the declaration. It was exclusively obtained by the Tribune in San Luis Obispo. California does not say that Biden committed the harassment. It doesn't mention reach more recent allegations of sexual assault but the divorce records do say that there was a problem. She was having at work regarding sexual harassment in us. Senator Joe Biden's office so obviously she was making allegations of something. Having happened in Joe. Biden's office way back when now. It's Hilarious is the reaction by Democrats. Twelve is totally hypocritical and absurd. Dianne Feinstein senator. Who Five seconds ago was saying the Brad. Kavanagh should withdraw his nomination because of questions from Christine. Blazey Ford now. She says that the situation is totally different. She says Cavanaugh is under the harshest inspection. We give people over a substantial period of time. What the what you mean. He's I mean one wants to be president. That seems like that might require an investigation shows. I don't know this person at all. Who's made these allegations? She came out of nowhere where she'd been all these years. He was vice president to attack him. This to me is utterly ridiculous. Unbelievable unbelievable from Dianne Feinstein remember during the cavenaugh hearings if you so much as mentioned that brick had been on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. They'd been a very prominent person in public life for a long time and these allegations were four decades old so where was Christine Blazey for all the time. Then you were considered not to be taking women seriously. Dianne Feinstein says the exact same stuff about Tara read and it's well she's taking women's seriously. Why didn't she say something you know when he was chairman of the Judiciary Committee or after that she said this is incomparable to cavenaugh. And then meanwhile Senator Amy Klobuchar was asked about this. She says about Biden. He's been forthright. He's answered the questions respectfully. I'm proud to support him asked if she believes reach said. I think he's answered all the questions. He's made clear he supports a rights. Come forward about criticism. Democrats to have a double standard club. Hr didn't answer and walked into an awaiting car. Which of course is exactly what you would expect from the Democratic Party. I mean just astonishing astonishing stuff so the Biden campaign has problems of its own. Which is why the Democrats are basically pinning their hopes on the notion that trump completely botched the handling of corona virus. They're hoping that the economy does not become using recover very fast. Do they have a? I'M NOT GONNA say. They hope for people to lose their jobs. Because I don't I don't think that all democrats want people to lose their jobs. What I will say is that they're in a very comfortable political situation. Where if the economy continues to tank they can just point to. Trump is very comfortable politically to be in a position where you can say if you release from lockdown than one life is lost. It's on you and also down his killing the economy that's trump's fault in the same exact people who are saying that this new great depression is brought on by trump are saying that if we relieve depression by letting people go back to war then trump will be killing people. They set up an absolute catch. Twenty two for anybody who actually wants to mitigate risk to life while also ensuring that the economy doesn't fall on die that's GonNa that's GonNa have to be the the tent. Pag upon which they build their entire superstructure here because Joe Biden does not have a campaign that is worthy of note. I mean it's just a terrible terrible campaign okay. Time for a quick thing that I like so today. There's a good book that I recommended on yesterday's radio show by Brad Meltzer. It's called the Lincoln conspiracy it's basically historical thriller about the secret plot to kill Abraham Lincoln. The first time he was. There's there's a pretty sophisticated plot to kill. President Lincoln right after he'd been elected I and not the one that's where he actually died. There is one way before that the book is really Brad. Meltzer is terrific. I've recommended a bunch of his books on the program before I really recommend this one. It's a great kind of interesting and uplifting read at a time that is neither interesting nor uplifting so go check out Brad Meltzer with Josh match the Lincoln conspiracy the Secret Plots Kill America's sixteenth president. And why it failed. Okay other things that I like today so it is good news that the to Georgia men who killed Akhmad are berry. I'll come out. I'm not trying to pronounce his name. Unfortunately amount are berry The they were arrested Thursday night on charges of murder those two months after the killing took place on February twenty third. They should have their day in court. Should see all the evidence the fact that for two months no arrest was made is an indictment of the criminal justice system in Georgia. Which seems to me. You know people are saying it's based on race. I think it's just quite as possible. It was based on on chumminess between the people who committed the shooting Gregory McMichael Travis McMichael and local law enforcement The the this of course has has generated all sorts of national Intensity should generate national intensity. And it's a good thing that this is to go before a grand jury. It should have gone before grand jury long ago already so we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content. Have yourself try to have a relaxing weekend? 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Listener Mail: Laura Answers Your Questions on the Markets, Velocity, Privacy and More! - Ep.88

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Listener Mail: Laura Answers Your Questions on the Markets, Velocity, Privacy and More! - Ep.88

"Hi, everyone. Welcome shade. You're no hyper source for all things crypto. I'm your host Lawrenson if you enjoying unchanged pop poppin twos, two top rating or review that helps other listeners find this show, and thank you to all the listeners who have given us ratings and reviews so far want to connect up to the bitcoin network, but are confused by the multitude of choices and intimidated by the complexity of getting started, come to lock demon dot com slash unchained and launch bitcoin. Note in mere moments will do all the heavy lifting for you. The future of lending his hair. Open-ended enables companies to leverage that bitcoin theory assets to borrow US dollars to learn more, go to lending dot com and use promo code unchained for all the details for an interest free month, crypto collateralized, lending dot com. Last week was an advanced pool week for me. I gave a talk in Francisco, and I will say. Not feeling the need to be humble about it. I think it went well, and I'm really proud of that because I am typically not being asked to speak. I get on stage and I ask questions and a lot of people said to me before the talk. Oh, you must be so used to this and no, I was not. I was super super nervous before I started and I had practice a lot, but based on some feedback also made some last minute changes that meant that even the morning of I was forgetting pieces of mytalk because I literally just change them in the thirty six hours before. So in the end, it all worked out just practice that we're giving me trouble in our before and did finally get it all down. So think you to tech San Francisco, and I will be sure to tweet out a link and maybe even tell you about on the podcast when the video comes out. The other thing I did last week was I started. The interviews for my book in case you missed the news. I got a book deal to write about events in crypto in recent history. And so I started on a number of interviews and it's going well, and it's really exciting and fun for those of you who remember back when my main thing was writing writing always was and always will be my first love. And so it was just so fun to be in reporting mode and to be imagining what I might make the material. Then the last eventful thing that happened was I. Got involved in it. Witter debate between neural Rubini and Vitol equator and not actually in the debate itself, but I saw that Norio in for those of you who don't know he is he's an economist in he had been featured in the Senate testimony on cryptocurrency on Thursday along with Peter van Valkenburgh of coin center who is a previous guest on the show from a couple years ago and actually SUNA Ahmaz of token Dylan. I discussed the hearing ever so briefly on unconfirmed last Friday and professor being you came up pretty strongly against crypto for various reasons and what it's telling SUNA was what I think is really fascinating is that when listened to him much of what he says actually is factual, sometimes he does get facts wrong, but by and large, he appears to understand crypto which is not always the case with other people from the traditional financial services world who. Talk about crypto. However, he takes the same facts and then conclude the technology will never advance beyond where it is now, which I think just is a strange conclusion to make. I was telling sooner that I feel like the whole story of human history is that we invent technologies and then improved them. This is not to say that Kripa will work out if it fails, which very well could I don't. I don't give that super high percentage, but I definitely know it is a distinct possibility obviously. Then I guess he will have been right. However, I find it really interesting that he is entirely convinced that that is what will happen. I feel like it's way too early to know for certain. But anyway, so I saw that he tweeted that he would gladly debate Vitelic Budarin in any public forum. And I, you know, because unchained as I'm pretty sure the most popular crypto podcast, I tho- the natural platform the for this and emailed him and tweeted at booth them about this and normal. Route me would quite possibly went into the munc- most I've ever got. We're, he called me a chill hack NPR person for the crypto industrym. He tweeted about me as well. It was a less hateful tweet. Someone asked me or you. Okay. I feel totally fine. Honestly, my main reaction upon receiving it was the, I just felt stupid. I hadn't predicted he would react that way because I realized in hindsight, should have been able to see it. But I think the last coming I wanna make about this is in some other forums. Someone sent me his appearance at the Milken institute. Last spring, I believe it was or maybe early summer and it made waves that, but I've never watched actually never watched the video at that time and I did watch it again. I did watch this weekend and again, like I said earlier, much of what he says is true. You know, he talks about how mining in crypto is pretty centralized. He criticizes it for like low throughput, which is what a big part of his testimony was about certain things like that. So he appears to studied up on this. And so in that sense, I actually think a lot of people in crypto can learn things from what he's saying. And frankly, I think a lot of his criticisms are not that different from the criticism. I hear from actual believers in crypto who. Who are also critics of the space. So I have had a couple of skeptics episodes. I've called them. There was one with Preston burn Angela Walsh that was in the spring link to in the show notes, and the other one was with melting d'humieres, Jill Carlson, and that was from the summer, I will also linked to them. So I think certainly there are a lot of points he makes. I did notice on Twitter. He also has been tweeting misleading facts and or they're not facts, but just things that are not true. But, but by and large, a lot of what he says actually is true, and I think there's a lot to learn from it. So without further ado, I will just say that floor this listener mail episode. I am doing this basically because I with everything going on the book and the headaches and everything. I really just did not have time this one week to do a traditional episode, but I will try to answer as many questions as possible today. Thank you to all of you who did some questions, and I apologize because I, I can't get to all of them a few other notes before we start, which is that nothing I see this episode is investment advice, legal advice, or any other kind of advice as always hopefully, you know, from my work and a from both my podcasts and my articles that you should always do your own research and I can have guests on here and they may say misleading. Things, and if I don't happen to catch it in the moment, then. It behooves you to not rely on things that are said or of rely solely on things that are said in the unchained or unconfirmed podcasts? Yeah. Other than that, I will go to the first question which is from no-name. This person says, can you disclose your longs and shorts? So for those of you closely watched me, you may know that when I worked at Forbes, I owned a bit of bitcoin ether. And when I quit in Forbes, has a policy that if you cover something that you own, you disclose it, I had a feeling when I quit that I would not be able to hold onto the bitcoins either for very long. And indeed I wrote a few freelance pieces for the New York Times as condition of reading them. I did agree to sell or give away my the coin. I did own. So now I'm a no coin are do hold a very tiny bit of bitcoin ether and some of the coins on the circle because I was testing that for when I did the circle interview. I can't remember if I if you like, I tested something else recently where I did buy something, but I'm blah. Taking on what that was. But anyway, so you know, the amount that I own is like probably I dunno, it's like two hundred dollars worth or something that's just for me as a reporter to still make sure that I understand what's going on how to use this technology. I love using it. It's probably still get a thrill out of using it. Okay. Next question is from Rebecca Jones. How are we to achieve broad adoption of bitcoin? What level of understanding education is needed on a global scale? This is a fem- that's come up a few times in recent episodes, particularly in some panel discussions, but also actually in some of the interviews I've done, I think frankly, I'm actually seeing this also in some of the medium posts and other blog posts and tweets, whatever that are going around online. I think a lot of people are thinking about usability. And I think that really is one of the biggest hurdles right now, and I think that will be unlocking that will. Be a huge step toward a gaining broader option in. This goes back to what I was saying about how neural had some really good points because he was, I think this was in the Milkin thing. He was talking about how when you use a pink, you can trust that they will keep your money safe for you, and that's their job, and they're better at it than you would be if you had to keep it on your in your house or on your person. And I think by large, we're seeing that in this early stage of crypto where so many people have lost their private keys. They've thrown them out the had them fished privacy's fish from them. They've had them stolen via the phone hijacking scams where the hacker will call a telecom and say, and pretend to be you and say, oh, I want to switch my phone from sprint to t mobile. And so then once all all your phone call. And text messages are going to their phone, then they will change all your passwords and maybe go into your coin base or your other other crypto accounts and move the crypto out to their wallet. And then you know there's no Bank of the coin that you can call to that transactions. So you're just out of that money. So there's been, you know, so many instances where we've seen that these basic usability issues are one reason that people are losing their coins, or they don't understand it, or you even had during the ICU phase. All these people trying to buy into issues from Aucoin base account, not understanding that then they wouldn't receive the tokens. So I think there's just a lot of, like I said, basic usability and understanding amongst the general population that needs to happen in order for you know, mass adoption to occur. The other thing is that for those of you who didn't see there was a really great. Post on the US v log where they talked about how everyone is saying that right now we need to invest in the infrastructure layer in that that is what is going to kind of build out all the infrastructure and then the apps will come later. However, they pointed to numerous examples throughout history where the AFC came first and the infrastructure was built to support that app. So one of the first examples they gave the light bulb and they talked about how the light bulb came first before the electric grid. And another example they gave was airplanes about how that came before the airports, air traffic control and all these things. So I think that we're over eighty maybe starting to see some of this interplay between absent infrastructure and it's a really great blog post because they have all these graphs on how it's sort of ping pong back and forth like you get this one break up. Causes this certain infrastructure to be built, and then that infrastructure Nabil's this kind of next level up which Spurs the next level of infrastructure and so on and so forth. And so perhaps an early probably the very first example of of this here, of course, is bitcoin. The currency is the up and well. Okay, so bitcoin the currency in bitcoin the network sort of grew at the same time. Although I guess you could say, like, you know, the growth in the network really happened because people were interested in the app of the digital currency, and maybe another kind of up that Asli took a well there. Couple one is maybe ICO's where there was a lot of demand to try to do these investments, and we saw we've seen we're seeing now that you know, my either wallet in my crypto are kind of. Trying out new ways of managing or new features for those systems that could help people trying to do those things. There's also crypto kitties which came out which was a popular app and for those of you who listen to the crypto kitties episode, we talked about a lot of the difficulty that people had buying the crypto kiddies. And when I asked the CEO how much bigger he thinks crypto kitties could be if it weren't for all the difficulty people had with, like, you know, buying on coin base and then using their mouths, and he was like, oh, one hundred times bigger. So he was saying that when they watch, people go through the flows like ninety, nine percent of people just couldn't even get all the way there. So the last example of this that I can think of is one I'm watching right now, which is there's this journals and platform called civil, which is trying to a blockchain journalism platform, and they're doing an ICO. And was interesting as they worked with token foundry, which I don't know for those of you who may be didn't haven't followed what took and foundries doing. But what's interesting to me is they've come up with these guidelines about how to structure token sales, and they're really trying to make it seem less like an investment and more like a product, which I think is super fascinating. And they really, you know, write these guidelines where they want you to have an understanding of what you're buying. However, I think that really has its intended effect, which is to deter the speculators. And so what's interesting is that civil had a minimum that it was targeting, which was eight million dollars, and they last I heard were not quite at two million. So in the closest this week, so they may not even hit their minimum target, which, you know, I, I've not sure what they'll do at that point of refund, everybody's money or what, but that just goes to show that you know, it really is difficult to participate in. And you know, during the icy okays because everybody wanted to get rich, there was a huge amount of motivation for people, but even despite that, it probably could have been a lot bigger if it weren't for these hurdles. So there's a lot more education that needs to happen. There needs to be a lot more ease of use. I think that's another huge issue. And in terms of how all that occurs, I really think it's just like going to be a lot of different efforts in a lot of different directions across the industry. The next question comes from Russell Lloyd. What's one thing in the crypto space? You've changed your mind about since you first started covering it and there's a related question from Caccia. How did your personal perception the space of since the first learned about blockchain into our bitcoin, every person goes through different teaches while diving into this rabbit hole, I'm what of what your journey looks like. And most importantly, where you are today compared to yourself seeing twenty seventeen in two thousand sixteen. Well, the easiest answer to this question is that I started reporting on. This in two thousand fifteen. When the mantra in the space was blockchain, not bitcoin, and I actually wrote the first large magazine story magazine feature with a cover line on blockchain being used in financial services. It was quite possibly the longest Email Email along as article that Forbes magazine has ever run. That's what my editors who had been there for thirty years where we're saying they didn't definitively prove that they thought it might be and the article featured chain the company and talked about how essentially you could use this technology to improve the back ends of a lot of existing financial services and that those companies could than also now offer new products that they were not able to offer before with existing technology. And the funny thing is that at that time also. So the way I got into this was I. Ported the Forbes fintech. Fifty list with another porter. She night divided it into categories and I took digital currencies, and so I was vetting all the companies for that category and when interviewed coin base, they were the kind of one holdout and I was asking him, oh, well, you know, how are you going to get adoption of bitcoin? And they were like, well, you know, it's cheaper than using a credit card, a credit cards, like three percent in this is much less so retailers could offer discounts of one percent for using bitcoin. I was just like, this is so. And I didn't put them on the list and. Which is funny because coin basis, truly the winner today, I think we could all safely say so. Anyway, clearly I was wrong about that. Although in my defense, this is just when I was learning about this like literally I was learning about it in that moment. So I think the other couple thing or will the other main thing maybe that I might mention about where I'm in my journey or what I've changed my mind about is something that interests me is if I'm going back and forth on ICO's a lot. And what I mean by that is that obviously there has been a lot of talk about the inequalities that we see in our system and you know, I mean, I have lived in places like New York in the bay area which talk about being confronted with wealth inequality on a daily basis. They're kind of like the prime environments where you will see both ends of the spectrum every day. So in some respect, I liked the fact that ISIS or sort of democratising. However, I covered personal finance for many years, and I also view ICO's as a way for people to easily scam people and for unwitting investors to lose a lot of money. And so in that regard, I really do think that there is a reason for all these regulatory protections and that there is a reason that all of this regulation has been built over the decades. At the same time. I do recognize that it does away perpetuate these inequalities especially with something as a blunt as the accredited investor rule, which essentially for those we don't know what that is. It says that you have to be to invest in investments. You need to the an accredited investor, which means that your income needs to be OC. I'm just forgetting it's two thousand two hundred fifty thousand annually or and then also or you can have net. A network of more than a million dollars. And I was just talking about this with berry silver after we wrapped the recent episode I did with him. And he was saying that he's always thought the credit investor rule wasn't wasn't very well built, which I definitely understand. And I've heard multiple people talk about it being sort of similar actually to the token foundries situation where it should be sort of knowledge based, which makes more sense to me. And that could perhaps be really good solution because that would then enable it to be more democratizing without while retaining sort of protectionist attitude, which I do think does serve a purpose. So anyway. Yeah, I think. And of course, there's another reason why I'm less bullish is which is that there's been so many scams and just really unsavory things going on with all that. So hopefully that will die down as we're starting to see the speculative mania pass. Little bit. The next question is from blockchain or at crypto creeper was to ours, or I guess four hours total on Twitter. I love your podcast and listen to all to them all just wondering, has your view theory of changed in the last three months? So I don't actually don't know why he he or she is asking about the last three months. I don't know if my view on it has changed per se. I think I maybe have more of an understanding of its pitfalls or what it cannot do simply because we are, of course, seeing these new smart contract platforms that are coming out to compete with it. And so when those projects talk with me about what they're building, very many of them will reference a theory and say, like, essentially we're solving for this problem on a theory. So in that regard, maybe I just have a more nuanced picture of of the pros and cons. However, by the same token, I would also say that I continue to be amazed by how many projects are building on a theory him for those of you who are regular listeners, you've probably noticed doing this sort of like discentralising finance series. I had zero x on Dharma Dwight x. trying to think of what are the other ones, but you know, all these projects are building theorem the most popular. Earlier sable coin maker. Dow actually say this. But the one with the most hype, probably at the moment because the most popular one is tether, which. Super super shady history or at least will not give a will not consent to a full audit. So there's a lot of questions around other, but I see a lot of buzz around many of the projects that are building on a theory. And so in my Ted talk, I talked about the parallel world of finance, I think, is being built. And frankly, a lot of those projects actually are building note theory, although I do know that many of them would probably switch something that are came along. So in that regard, I'm not certain that this will be. This first mover advantage will really amount to anything. Long run. I think there's a long way to go. There's a lot of. I mean, it's just such early days in the space, so. Okay. Next question. Jonathan Schell 2017 bull-run gave issues. How do you think twenty eighteen twenty nineteen bull run will manifest. Again, one I'm saying here is not investment advice. I cannot in any way, shape or form predict the future. However, I can't tell you a little bit more about what I was talking about with Barry silver. After we finish recording. He said something lake. So don't remember exactly what he said. But he sensually implied that he thought we were gonna see prices go up again in two thousand nineteen, and I was frankly surprised at well. Okay. So maybe he didn't. He must not have phrased it that way. He must have phrase it in some other way where I essentially took took his point to be that the whole space would sort of like legitimately grow into its valuation. Because when he said that, I said, oh, you know, I actually feel like a lot of the technological hurdles at Neva Bill are going to take a bit longer than the that these problems are ones that will probably take. I don't know more than a year really to solve and he said, oh, yeah, yeah. What I mean is I think we're gonna see Wall Street money, institutional money come in in a bigger way. And then I said, oh, okay. So maybe we're going to enter in that same kind of situation. We were in at the enter twenty seventeen where the valuations got ahead of the technology and some indications that we have about institutional money coming in have come out in the news recently where for those of you who might have seen the information, which is a great little booty publication focus exclusively on tech and have recently launched a crypto vertical. They reported that. Several university endowments. I should've looked this up, but I'm pretty sure it was like Yale Harvard and Stanford had all invested in crypto in some way, shape or form recently. And so that's the kind of vetting that that those institutions do that those endowments do, I think, says something about kind of where the space is that and obviously we have backed coming online in November. I'm not sure what that will have though, because for those of you who listen to my episode tour to miester, he was saying that that he thought that that would lead to the prices rising. I said, oh, well, you know, everyone said that about the futures, but obviously that isn't what happened. So how will this we different? He didn't really have a good answer. So this, if any Wall Street people listen to my podcast and can explain to me how that could have a different effect on the markets on the futures than I would be interested talking because I frankly, I don't understand Wall Street. For well, and I really am interested to know, will this be another situation where the hype did not manifest or really will it really be different? And if so, why? Like what is the mechanism by which we will actually see this have a positive effect on crypto prices? I don't know the answer to that, and I'm very curious to know. So, yeah, so berry, you know, at least things that we will see Wall Street money an actually to just. A little bit more there about Wall Street money coming in a couple of reasons for that are probably gonna be that were already starting to see that our custody solutions. Bick. Oh, has its custody solution? And they're what's called a qualified custodian, Mike bell. She discussed that on the podcast this year. It can also link to in the show notes and Aucoin base custody believe is also qualify custodian there few others. I'm just blanking. Honestly, the situation my brain. So I know this was happening. I'm sorry that I don't have the details for all of you, but because we know these products are coming online that probably is going to give institutions more comfort with the crypto space. And so in that regard, we could see more of them, oh, in the last thing I will say is that I was talking with another source who said that the type of institutional player that they're talking with is different from previous institutional money, which might have been like smaller before where it was like single family offices. And now it's more like multifamily offices or just mentioned endowments in this case. So who knows. I don't know what will happen, but those are some of the theories floating around. Next question, David Erickson, how do you think the coin will behave in a series for sessions lash, financial crisis? I mean, at some point years or maybe years from now, we will see another recession slash crisis item Agean ha ha. Yes. I agree with you on that point. So how will bitcoin behave in a serious recession or financial crisis? Well, this is one of those questions where in the absence of any other factor, it's basically impossible to predict because you know, is this going to happen like a year from now, or is it going to happen? Five years from now is going to help and tenure. So now you know, depending on your timeframe, it could happen at a time when we're in a similar phase infrastructure wise where there's a lot of basic usability issues around bitcoin that would prevent it from becoming a safe haven in a financial crisis. However, even if it were you from now maybe in some limited fashion, we might see some people turn to because obviously there are at least pretty decent consumer facing on ramps, like coin base. Frankly, it's just really the easiest place where you can just go straight. With your Bank account and and by a little bit of bitcoin ether in a few of the other cryptos. So who knows? I mean, if it were more like five or ten years from now than perhaps at that time, when the usability issues are more resolved, it could become even more popular. But then it's a question of, well, by that point, the space full have matured so much that will there be another crypto asset that will be a kind of more of a safe haven than bitcoin? I don't. I don't know. There's just really no way to know. I think the only things we can point to are the certainly in places where money doesn't work. Well, we have seen in limited fashion that some of those people's some of the people in those economies do turn to bitcoin or other crypto assets. And so perhaps at that time we might see the same thing. Next question from Chris Beaumont. What is one surprising thing you recently learnt? So. I literally could fairly anything, but I was really interested by this study that chain alyssa's released an unfortunate and article on that came out last week that showed that whales account for four point, six percent of all bitcoins and that they busted them if the wheels are kind of like negatively affecting the price and the said that they actually largely help stabilize the market as somebody who doesn't feel like super understand how these financial systems work or financial markets work. That was something that I found interesting. So I figured I would just point to that, okay. We're going to take a break to discuss the velocity problem and other issues. But I, I like to take a quick break for our fabulous sponsors, stall the completed and looking to leverage theory and for working capital, a minor looking to buy more rigs without having to sell bitcoin old lending can help out. Landing enables companies to leverage that bitcoin or. 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People, infrastructure providers go to block Damon dot com. Slash unchained start starter free thirty day trial today. I'm taking listener questions for today's episode. The next question is from Joshua visor. You seem to be skeptical of some claims by your guests. Are you willing to be more explicit about which parts of the industry you think will blossom in which you think are complete hypes or scams are complete hype or scams? Again, I'm not giving investment vice do your research. Some of the areas that I think could possibly blossom. I will just probably be obvious to anybody who listens to my show, but certainly the first is just, I think we're gonna see a money come out of crypto. We're already starting to see that in a limited way, but bitcoin as I mentioned earlier was really kind of the first app, and it really was the first thing that helped people understand the potential technology. So in that regard, I. Would be surprised if out of the signals we did not end up with something that was money, like and already there are a lot of contenders for this mantle in addition to bitcoin, there's bitcoin cash. There's like hone, there's dash. There's z. cash, there's minero. So I think we will certainly see some kind of money that comes out of this. You know whether or not that ends up competing in any significant way with Fiat currency. I have no idea, and because we are likely to seem digital Fiat currencies at some point, I really don't know also how that will affect these crypto currencies, how popular they can get. You know, there's just way too many factors to try to make any prediction there. But I would be surprised if we don't see some form of money in whether it's an unlimited fashion or a wider fashion that does take off using this technology. Another area that I think is probably going to thrive is going to be privacy. And when I say that, I mean in particular privacy coins and that is for a few reasons. So as we've seen with technologies over and over again, frankly, many of them take off because. They criminals find usually in them and that actually to go back to my little description of the app and infrastructure, I guess, play between them the interplay between them. Like one of the apps, frankly, was probably Silkroad for for bitcoin. So in that regard, a lot of those criminals found out the hard way that when you have a transparent money than your crimes will be more easily traced back to you. So if you listen to the very first episode of Katie Hawn who used to be federal prosecutor, she's now one of the general partners at entry some Horwitz and she leaves the sixteen the crypto fund with Chris Dickson who was on the podcasts this summer. You guys should check out that interview. But in her initial interview with me when she was a prosecutor, she talked about how she was able to solve a few crimes using the bitcoin blockchain. Where they realized that they were to federal agents that were stealing the coins from this'll code investigation. So I think certainly criminals are figuring out that maybe having a privacy coin is a good idea. However, those aren't the only people that are going to find such a thing useful z. cash is a privacy coin that it's technology is now being incorporated as far as I understand into j. p. Morgan chases blockchain Corum and that's because financial institutions also don't want to be broadcasting their transactions out to the world and for for competitive reasons. So I think we will probably see privacy coins or technology take off. And frankly, we actually, we're already seeing that the last area dot, I could probably pretty confidently say, we'll probably boss him is the smart contract area. And the reason that I say that is because a theory man already laws and has. Is a proven to attract a lot of interesting ideas to it, do take off rather quickly, for instance, the Dow, which those of you who aren't familiar with that, that was a venture fund that was labeled the DA, oh, centralized Thomas organization. It was meant to be it essentially venture fund that would invest in various projects that the token holders would vote upon. And it raised one hundred and fifty million dollars at a time when like barely anybody even understood crypto, let alone owned ether. I mean, it was just really incredible that all went bust. Unfortunately because there was a bug in the code. However, the whole ICO phenomenon also took place on a theorem in general. I find, as I mentioned before, a lot of people are building on a theory I'm and are looking to to build on smart contract platforms, and we're seeing a lot of competition export contracts base. I think probably. Because people know that this is going to be a big thing, and short theorem has the lead at the moment, but it's so early that a lot of people want to get in and compete because they know that this is this game is not over in terms of what areas are complete hype slash scams. I don't know if I can say anything is complete hype or scam, but I will tell you some of the areas that I'm listening went about, and I would say when thing that I've never fully understood is this concept of existing centralized companies doing coins. So like when the kick news kick launched a crypto currency called kin, and they were saying that they were trying to do this, like messaging ecosystem, I didn't. I just, I don't know. There's something about that. I just really either didn't get it or just really didn't think it was going to work. And I did not look closely at the telegram white paper, but that was. Another one. I was so busy at that time. I, I don't remember I didn't. I didn't read the white paper or anything like that, but I just remember from what I could glean from it, it just felt a little bit like a. I want to say immi to phenomenon, but now that has a very different meaning. What I mean is just, you know, they were kind of glomming onto this trend. And as far as I understand, they wrote their white paper extremely quickly. So you know it's different from some of the other projects that we saw earlier raising money is us like t's which had published its white paper in two thousand fourteen, I think telegrams came together in a in a few months similar to that. I don't understand the ripple as I think a great company doing great enterprise blockchain work. It's probably one of the most successful in that regard. I don't understand this kind of situation with extra p. that they're trying to do where you keep the middlemen like you keep the banks, but you also have a coin as far you know, I just feel like when I dive into these projects, a lot of times the ones that make them of sense to me are the ones. Where we remove the middleman, but the way that you coordinate these global activities to provide services in the same way that you would want as if this network were company is to have a coin that incentivizes those behaviors. So so I just fundamentally don't understand how you could keep the middlemen. But if they're all agreeing to do all these things with each other, I don't feel like you need the coin, so and frankly, you know, they have a full on admitted that their ex rapid solution doesn't need x. RPM it works without it. So so I think I would agree with me on that point. I'm also not a sink went on enterprise Blockchain's. As I mentioned before there, I did write an article about some work being done in that regard. So there I think is a joint venture of launched by Maersk and just blinking thing into IBM. And then we saw that news about WalMart tracking the providence of lettuce on. Unemployed chain. And I do think there are some other applicants where I'm not saying this won't work. I'm just saying, is it going to be revolutionary? I don't really think so. I think it's just a way for existing companies to provide their services better, which is great for all of us, but is going to change the way things are done. It. Not really. Next question is from films. Most people are surprised when I tell them that the NAR commode a white paper was published on years ago and Halloween. Many audiences Blanchet hearing this since they feel it must mean they are frit behind the times than they thought when they watch into room. So what would you say to this group? I imagine there would be potential listeners if they felt they weren't already late to the party. What I would say is the sector so new. There was a survey in March that said the only eight percent of Americans in crypto. And as I was mentioning earlier, I mean just fundamental questions about usability have not been resolved. So there's so much work to be done. If you are someone who's interested in this in. And kind of feeling you can vision some future where the signal, gee, would be used in some way. You know, if that's the case, then I think there's plenty of room where you could jump in and say, hey, I can help build something here. And the other thing I would say is in the cryptic kitties episode, we were joking about the experience of trying to buy a crypto kitty, and I was saying that what they were describing to me seems like a very pre AOL experience. And so in that regard, I think there's just a lot to be done. And the other thing I would say to that audience is it's not just coders that are needed from what I understand talking to the various groups. They're looking to hire people with non technical skills. I myself have been approached so many times by various teas wanting to work for them. And I'm like, no, no. However, that's only. To say that I do know people even like me who zero a technical knowledge can be useful, or at least these teams are looking for people with those kinds of skills. And I think in particular because especially with the situation with ICS where you become not exactly a public company, but I mean, yeah, essentially, you have this relationship now with your investors that there's a lot of kind of community management that needs to go on, which is very much more of a soft skills type of job. So so yes, I do think there's plenty to do if this interest you, there's a lot to learn. There's a lot of built. So there's room for a lot more people. And frankly, also when I talked to these companies, they're all like, oh my God, we're hiring. Do you know anyone. So you're interested I much and there's a lot of fraternity for you. Next question's from Adam Sadowski. He actually recorded this so I will play this tape Laura. My name is Adam. I listen to your podcast on a regular basis, and I enjoy it very much. So I was listening to one of your podcasts that featured Jimmy song and my interest was piqued by the short conversation on Oracle's and the concept of the oracle problem. I know that Jimmy has some firm and outspoken views on how he believes blockchain technology will evolve, but I felt that he was unfairly dismissive on this matter. In fact, I think that the vast majority of interesting and potentially world changing smart contract use cases requires them to be externally aware in interoperable with existing financial network infrastructure. So my question is this, why does the conversation about a solution to the oracle problem seemed to be so casually swept under the rug. I'd like to hear about some of the approaches to tackle the problem, and which approaches you feel like are most likely to succeed. Thanks so Oracle's, I don't know if I quite agree with part of what you said hearing your question where you said that sometimes the question about the oracle problem seems to be casually swept under the rug. Frankly, a lot of sources will talk to me about how hard it is to do such things into get even something as simple as like an accurate price for ether. I mean, so this is, you know here we're talking about a crypto crypto outset itself, and they're saying, wow to try to figure out an oracle for the price of ether as difficult because think about this, like, what are you gonna? Do you know, get every single exchange in the world? Plus I'm not sure what the what the equivalent of local bitcoins for either, but I'm sure there is one plus all the deaths, like how do you do that? And then if you have this situation like we had unsheathed axe shoot was in the summer of twenty seventeen. I think it was where there was a flash crash in Easter because some traitor placed a huge, huge order. A single huge order on one exchange and the price crash down to like ten cents per eath. Remember how much it was at the time. Let's say it was like three hundred bucks or more. I really don't know. I mean, then than what is that desire. Really contribute to the price of ether if you're using oracle. Like I mean, it's it's, it's a really naughty issue. It's not so aurthority issue. It's really something that takes a lot of thought and there there's a great little medium post that talks about the oracle problem. And I liked this one quote from it where it's at the oracle from is just a statement that at some point you need to trust them outside source to accurately give input as to what the state of reality is in the post by someone Alexander sank off, and I wrote my college thesis on each who will talk about this problem about like how there is no one objective reality. So I definitely fully agree that, yes, sometimes something that seems quite obvious. We like a so-called fact is sometimes just really hard to verify. That doesn't mean that there aren't solutions or being proposed out there. A one is that you can use. A centralized solution. Some kind of oracle dot comes that is a specific company that will ensure veracity of that data. Then of course, the question is, well, then it's a single point of failure. What if someone. Somebody could easily be motivated to commit fraud using on that company or within that company to manipulate the markets in some way to their benefit. So then how trustworthy is that? You know, that's a big question there than we have something like auger, which people vote on the truth. And so they're they actually, I think to kind of use a somewhat centralized oracle process, but because then people vote on it that kind of helps to ensure the accuracy and they have a whole mechanism by which you can raise disputes and for those of you who missed it, you should definitely check it my episode with Joey cougar, where we discussed this, but as you can hear from my questions to him, I could imagine, you know, as journalists in following this whole fake news thing, there are some people who are just so vested and their alternative. Acts, I guess you could call them. And for that reason, they, they just will defend that alternative universe to the death. And so- auger has the situation where like certain percentage all agree on on that, then they can like essentially split off. And there are so many instances where we've seen in our recent political history where you know you have these people that claim that like Obama wasn't born in the US or something like that, or that Hillary was running prostitution ring and pizza parlor, New York or in DC, and they really, really believe that like they really, I think they really believe that. So who knows when you start putting money to these things like will will we end up in a situation which we've seen happening with crypto assets where there are a lot of folks like I have no idea. I'm just trying to point out that. Yeah, this is one way of trying to resolve these issues of. Either oracle process, but is it going to work? I don't know. In some ways I could see it working in other ways. Maybe not another kind of solution that's being put out there is using a process where oracles have to stake money and their reputation and that they have skin in the game. And you know that that might work. I know that when I interviewed Danny on of trust oaken, they have some similar mechanism where essentially, they, they wanna be able to put real world assets on the blockchain, including, you know, I guess like token is real estate or something like that. And so I was saying, well, you're going to have people checking on all these apartments or buildings all over the world that are being put on this blockchain and he was like, oh, yeah, but you know, we have these local people and they can build it reputations by verifying this. And you know, I did point out. Okay. Well, then at any given mome. -ment that means that you will have some percentage of fraud on the network before before it gets caught. So there's at the moment. I don't really see any perfect solution to this oracle issue. I think it is really, really difficult. One super, super, super challenging. Whoever solves it, I probably will become one of the leading smart contract platforms at least until all the others adopted and then playing field again. All right. My next questions from Katie my questions about the velocity problem in theory. Can you explain it and is it true? All right. So the velocity problem. Crispness gay, explain this really well, my podcast from roughly a year ago, gosh, time flies. I remember when he came on the show to talk specifically about how to value assets. But I think we discussed velocity on that show and essentially velocity is how. How quickly money passes from one holder to the next and the more quickly passes the more of a sort of depressive influence. It has on that price because you don't have people holding onto it, and therefore kind of like artificially reducing supply in the sense that at least for the amount of buyers out there there, there isn't a lot that people are willing to sell. So in terms of whether or not this applies to Theam. I think the main thing at least at the moment to mention is a theorem is at some point going to move to a proof of stake system and mistaking system that means that the validates have to put up a certain amount of ether and lock it up in order to become delegators, which for those of you who have more of a bitcoin reference values essentially minor and that affect of or the that mechanism of lock. It up will have a should have a positive effect on the price in the sense that that reduces philosophy, right? Because sort of forces this mechanism of holding or holding that then reduces lawsuit. Sudi so whether or not applies to three in particular, I can't say simply because also, if you're him has a slightly different monetary policy that isn't necessarily fixed. They did recently vote to ratchet down the inflation. So the block reward was reduced from five ether to three in two thousand seventeen, and then more recently to two. And you know, reducing inflation is similar to the way that the bitcoin system has been having its block reward every four years right now, it's twelve point. Five bitcoins are released every ten minutes and at the next having in twenty twenty. It'll be six point two, five. And so in that regard, that's also I think another way of essentially keeping the philosophy from from being high because there's, like I said, less new ether being released into the system, thereby making. Making harder for those people who want to purchase ether. But like I said, I'm not sure if the velocity problem applies ether in particular. I definitely think it's actually probably worse with other coins. A related question comes from Dan j Haney plan pronouncing that right. This one came in actually super last minute, so I didn't get to Email him to ask him how to pronounce his name. But he says, Suming Easter doesn't become a store value and token velocity, sands its price down to the cost of a marginal transaction with a knock compromise the security of the network under a proof of state consensus. In other words, ether need to become a store value to ensure the security of the network under proof of stake. So I'm gonna fall on admit. I have been talking about proofs take a little bit, but I'm not a huge expert on it. However, as I just mentioned in responding to katie's question, I don't think velocity will sand. It's priced onto the cost of a marginal transaction as long as we do switch to as long as does which prove stake basically. Really, the main thing is that the price of ether just just needs to be high enough that the cost of staking more than fifty percent of the supply in order to CJ have to present attack needs to be expensive enough that it will deter people from doing that and not is basically how the network will be secured. So because staking is essentially kind of in in some ways easier than proof of work where you need hardware. There could be a lot of people that are that look to get into the sticking business. And so in that regard, I think we could see quite a large amount of ether staked. I really have no crystal ball there, but it's just something that I'm guessing. And then about your question about whether or not ether needs to become a store value to ensure the security of the network? I don't think it needs to become a store of value in order to keep the price high enough to prevent this fifty percent attack. As long as the price is just high enough to to deterred that attack. Then I think the network Woolsey secure. And as I mentioned because I think stinking is going to be a little bit easier to get into than than mining proof of work. We could maybe see quite a large amount staked, but I'm no expert and proof of stake. So again, take everything that I'm saying in this regard with a grain of salt. All right. Wookey twenty-five asks me one area that I hope he can talk about his privacy coins, including the different technologies how each -nology approaches, privacy and security. So he had to questions or she I, it's terrible. It's terrible. For some reason. I always assume these ones are are men, but they could very well be women. I should know. Number one, which is the most private coin. Okay. So I'm really only going to talk about the two most popular ones as cash and minero as far as I understand, I don't think this is really Napa out two apples comparison. I think there's just trade-offs. So minero is more popular than dark web and it's quote unquote private by default. But when you're exactly private and I haven't as longtime listeners, you may know. I have not done interview yet with Ricardo spongy, fluffy pony of minero. He's actually one of my favorite people in the space, and he's helped me alive in various ways of the years, but I still haven't done an episode with him. So I cannot claim to be an expert on narrow, but from what I can glean, it isn't exactly private, just associates information. So it will mix an individual's transactions with other people's. So it's not clear who owns which dress and then it'll high like balanced. His and and create one random one time addresses that can't be associated with a particular person publicly. So the funds aren't associated with the ritual address and and yet it, it basically enables this privacy at the protocol level because they think these are mechanisms that people could try using one time address. But I mean minero sort of automates. However, it's not an completely anonymous and there have been vulnerabilities that have been discovered. They've been patched since. But one of them did leave transactions that occurred before February twenty seventeen twenty identifiable. So in contrast z. cash, I guess, has stronger privacy technology because it actually does encrypt the data, but it's a much more taxing coin from a processing perspective. And for that reason a lot or or probably a number of reasons users. Very seldomly choose to make transactions private. Only thirteen percent of transactions are private and for those of you who listen to my episode with Zuko of of z cash meshing to him that I feel like when you choose to make a transaction private, it does kind of cast suspicion on you. And unfortunately, because of how few people choose this, it turns out on less than one percent of all z cash transactions involve both shielded center interests Heaver. So I was asking Zuko of this means that z cash can be solved like a pseudo coup which he denied, but. I think it remains to be seen because essentially, all the other transactions are pretty much just like bitcoins where you can figure stuff out. So one of the other issues was he cashes them. They have this thing called a trusted setup where they undergo this process in the beginning to create the network. But it relies on a small number of people and you as the user have to trust that those craters did not create counterfeit coins, and they when they go through this process, they do a lot of things to try to build that trust that that's not what they're doing. But I know some people take issue with cash for that reason. And then the last thing I just wanted to say was my comments about how it's pretty when you do choose a shield, a transaction, which is one of the where private transactions, it's pretty processing intensive. They are upgrading that technology. So perhaps in the future, we will see more transactions on. Z. cash being done in the shield at fashion. The second question is, what is the status governments tolerance of privacy coins? So this isn't something I've looked into super well, but I did some noodling around and found that the secret service did as congress earlier this year for help in tracking anonymity, enabled cryptocurrencies. There's a quote here from the deputy assistant director in the US secret service offices services office of investigations, Robert Novi. He said, we should consider additional legislative or regulatory actions to address potential challenges related to anonymity enhanced cryptocurrencies. And you know, he mentioned that these cryptocurrencies are clearly ripe for illicit use in an effort to subvert legitimate law enforcement inquiries. Although it is more difficult to trace the movement of Elissa proceeds using these newer anonymity and has cryptocurrencies. It has not impossible and apparently Japan. And a few other countries are putting pressure on exchanges to delist privacy coins. One thing I did notice was that in the Senate testimony that Peter van Valkenburgh of coin center did last week was that he didn't. He kind of talked about how a lot of these public Blockchain's our audits and have actions that are traceable he did not mention privacy coins. Which probably was a conscious decision on coin centers part. But you know, I think because both z. cash ameneiro do have this viewing he opts, which is what enables the user to selectively reveal their transactions to whoever whomever they choose. Perhaps we will see that there's some way in which even privacy coins will take off in some fashion that is not looked down upon by governments. All right. I'm going to try to do I have. I know that I'm running running over time, but I'll try to do a couple more questions. Mike mcglone has a question. How enduring is twenty eighteen trend and lower prices volatility and shifting focus to stable coins, notably, tether. Now, number eight on coin, Margaret cap seems this trend should be the future of cryptos that might actually be used for peer to peer transactions. So in general, I would say that I don't think any price trends we're going to see over the next like five to ten years. We'll really endure until the technology becomes fully mature. I know for those of you who follow my stuff, you'll know that I really liked this book by car Lada Peres, technological revolutions and financial capital. I think it's calls and in it, she describes these sort of boom, bust cycles where when a new technology comes in, will we see the sort of speculative fervor. And then during that time, when a lot of money sloshing around the technology kind of gets built and sort of proves it celsius certain point which then Spurs another wave of of speculative fervor and investment, which then I'm allows the technology to mature further and on and on the cycle goes until basically, it becomes really entrenched and the pitfalls of that technology become apparent. And that sort of like opens the door to the next wave of technology to come in and and take advantage of whatever the downsides are that technology. So it's it's super interesting but anyway, for that reason because the technology is so far from being anywhere near mature this moment, I don't think this quote unquote twenty eighteen trend that that you reference here with lower prices. I don't really think it's like a trend unless you just look at it from a longer term perspective and see that it's part of the trend that we've seen so far in cryptocurrency where there's a bull run huger in prices. Then there's a big crash which lasts for like a year or two years, and then there's another big run, which then leads to a crash which probably lasts for roughly the same time again. So you know the the two main ones that I'm talking about, which people will know may know are in the fall of twenty thirteen. I think China's started getting into this. And that's when we first saw the price of bitcoin exceed when those dollars. And then eventually, you know, right after that was the Mt. Cox hack and then the price Lolita client until January of two thousand fifteen when it like hit below two hundred dollars. It was like one seventy. Seven, I think was low. And then it just sort of kind of at sei ways and the two hundred dollar range for most twenty fifteen until towards the end of that year. And then 2016 you know, sort of gradually increased, but it was really twenty seventeen obviously where we saw a similar hype cycle to the end of twenty thirteen. And there was that mouse of bubble. And then again, I think this year we're sort of seeing this kind of like more sober view of them were right now. I think that's kind of just going to be part and parcel of the space for the next couple years. In terms of your comments here, stable coins? I would say that there's definitely significant mental building behind. Staple coins. Apparently, there's now like around one hundred stable coin projects that are either live or in the pipeline stage. And some of these that were recently announced like the Gemini US dollar and the Paxos if it stable coin, they had approval from the New York department of financial services, which is which is pretty deal. And one of the biggest pieces of news round table coins in the last month was that a sixteen see crypto did invest in maker Dow's MK are tokens. Those are not the actual stable coined. They're kind of like this other coin within the ecosystem that enables governance and I did episode with Rune Christiansen of maker Dow on unconfirmed that you guys should check out a few didn't listen to that, but certainly maker house a lot of women behind it. I've done other episodes with Danone of trust. Okay. Who I mentioned, they have stable coin culture, USD, and I think in general, you know, simply because we all live in this world where we're used to using the dollar as reference point. I do think stable coins will be key to helping the get more people into ecosystem and comfortable with trading and putting their money into into crypto. So in that regard, yeah, I do think the stable coin trend. If you wanna show trends is one that we will see more of in the future. And I'm so sorry guys, but this is like going on wave longer than I expected and I'm not getting to. 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172: Clint Watts | Surviving in a World of Fake News

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172: Clint Watts | Surviving in a World of Fake News

"Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan harbinger. As always I'm here with my producer Jason Filipo right now. More than ever we're hearing about fake news. What we're not necessarily hearing about though is how our own cognitive bias is at work, and what causes rifts in the American western populations. Our guest today Clinton watts. He chases terrorists online. We'll hear firsthand how the enemies such as ISIS uses social media for propaganda and recruiting. We'll learn why the government can't even with all its resources beat ragtag Somali Twitter users, and ISIS Schillt's also Clinton will show us how and why bias and what types creates social media bubbles. What those bubbles do and how we can fix this issue, or at least try to mitigate it for ourselves. So these rifts in differences in the way, we think and feel might not just be the result of using social media. But couldn't be the result of ace's stained attack on the way, we as Americans and westerners think in fact, we are likely being deliberately targeted. By state actors in order to weaken, our democracy and adversely affect our way of life. If you want to know how he managed to book all these amazing personalities on the show. I've got a network that goes for days, I use systems in tiny habits. And I would love to teach you how I do this for free. I've got a course called six minute networking over at Jordan. Harbinger dot com, slash course. Now enjoy this episode with Clinton watts. We're talking pre show about Jaron Lanier, and how essentially social media and online systems are often designed to sort of their optimized for control or almost like insidious persuasion. And I know that that layers over what you do at least to some extent. Can you tell us essentially, I would say you chase terrorists online. But there's more to it. Yeah. The idea of social media why it's such an efficient way for good people or bad people to regional audiences designed to give people what they want. And so, you know, I hear I hear the discussion around filter bubble. I I like in social media. I think it's expand. What I call preference bubbles, meaning is one part the algorithm, which is there ally. Pariser, you know, he did a excellent job responding spotting that way out in terms of search and how that does it. But it's really about your preferences, much in social media, you were choosing over and over and over things that you'd like when they the system is designed to give you more what you like. And you're blocking out that wish you don't like which them puts you in that alternative space, which I really enjoyed that. From that podcast was the discussion of how this puts you in alternative realities. So you have shared perception, but not shared reality. So that is what whether you're a terrorist or a Russian descent fo person or a mass manipulator like we'll see going into the twenty twenty election. You want to inculcate your audio? Once in a world that you control based on what they believe is their own choice. So I'd written a fiction conclusion to my book. And I I made an app in the story call, you know, you which as you make people believe that they're making their own choices. And then they take it on even more. Because like I I am liberated. I'm choosing on this. But you don't know behind the scenes whoever's paying for the advertising whoever's pushing the products who's ever changing the words who's ever delivering you the video that you need to see the specially edited or a deep fake, or whatever it might be is manipulating you in some way. Deep fake is when they changed the faces and voices or something. Yeah. Def- ache is falsified audio or video that is indistinguishable from real world. And so scary. Yeah. You know, we already have versions of it. You've even seen the White House. You know, speed up to make it was like Jim Acosta looked like he was pushing the the woman back, and it was tweeted, you know, out of the I think the press secretary's account or whatever. But that's already happening. It's. Going to be most stating in the third world more than like the modern world. Why is that because there is no filter? You're talking about populations that have gone from no news or very minimal news, our friends circles friends family circles to mobile enable social media where the source of information is not actually a source is their friend or family and they have trust based on communal relationships. That's why you see Myanmar Philippines, Cambodia those countries it wide spread so quickly is because trust is based on friends and family, and what is social media. It's trust based on your network, which is based on people that look like you and people that talk like you, right? So that that way instead of saying something on the news, and it gets generates outrage and people talk about it a little bit. And they're like all you gotta watch again tonight watch a different source, and it was different. There's an update it's just boom everyone gets it on their phone. It doesn't matter that it's a fake video from twenty years b role of something else. Vaguely remember. After September eleventh. There was something where they show there was like look at these people in the West Bank celebrating and it was like role from new year or something from like eight years prior to that had nothing to do with it. But some intern or or someone with militias intent actually just went and dug up photographs and images of them, dancing and celebrating and just went. Hey, let's just say this is from September eleventh. It'll be great story. And then people were like, oh, you know, what end aid to them and bomb them next or something? And it was like what these are random Palestinians that this has nothing to do with any in today's somebody even tweeted at me, go back to the Russia thing, they said, stop beating this drum. You know, you Jaron Lanier talking about oh, the Russians this Russians that it doesn't matter. The US does the same thing. Everyone does this moral equivalency? Do you agree with that? Because I don't think that that's the case. No, I look I worked on the US government or with them for decades. And I've never seen anything like what the Russians did. I've never seen Americans hack thousands of innocent Russians or any country spill their secrets out timed in order to win the election by advancing through bogus social media against at look like talk like Russian people for candidates that we have picked along with the propaganda outlet that is pumping information into their population. I'm not seeing that if there's evidence of it. I would be interested. Usually that comes from the American left. You'll hear that. Now, you hear it from the right a little bit. And they'll they'll say, well, the CIA and the nineteen seventies. So, you know, they throw some example. I'm like that is not what Russia on social media. And you know, the internet has been doing or they'll say, oh, but you know, surely, we have the ability to do it and anyone actually has the ability to do this. If they want to you know, with the Russias did that is different from everybody else's they dedicated an old playbook that they had which they call active measures from the Soviet era. But that same. Version playbook which used on their own people. I in in social media and exported it, and they know how to do that very very well and going forward, they won't even be the best at it because they're resource constrained in their tech constraint. They don't have is good attack as the rest of the world will have a going forward. It'll be political campaigns. They're already doing this to a degree. But it'll get you know, even worse public relations allegoric celebrities doing reputation laundering. They'll be the worst offenders in this. They just needed someone to break the playbook out in the Russians known understand that playbook. The AC could point maybe maybe in order to get some new listeners all have a Macedonian. Click farm, you know, build me up a couple. Yep. A million Sakic I call I call it trolling as a service, which is essentially that there's already a market for a someone who can advance your story across all media outlets who can write stripped out blogs who can change reality by using computational propaganda. Lots who can put out a troll army on your issue in advance that we've seen lots of countries do that. Now, some of them are more manual, so like in Myanmar Philippines. The literally just put hundred people in a room on Facebook to just trawl away. If you come to America, you know, or some sort of satellite company, they're going to do it in a much more automated way. So then the an Martin was actually people sitting in a room designing this. Yeah. So, you know in the in the less tech developed parts of the world, they just use manpower. They literally put them on as propaganda. It's like a boiler room say I want you to go after anyone that challenges the regime, and I want you to do it, you know, on these platforms, whatever the whatever the platform is in that country. You know that has the most traction, and there's nothing to stop them because there's no real free press to check them. You know, there's no organic activists army necessarily that can organize together because in the streets. They would be put down by cops or military, or you know, some sort of manipulation in physical form. That's so interesting. And this this is actually not even where I'd intended to start. It's just that literally today before the show people are like, hey, man, stop beating that drum. And so, of course, I guess I just wanted to hit a few more times. But I wanted to check on that. Because of course, wouldn't when someone says all will, you know, the US does all this stuff too. I just was like, well, I could fire back or I could actually ask somebody that knows what they're talking about. I mean, you can pick something out into a stupid that way us going after terrorists on social media, saying we're doing counter, proper propaganda or counter influence, we you could say that's the US dinner version, but it's not right because we were trying to advance. Hey, you should not kill people around the world. That's not propaganda. Like this really literally what we believe in making yourself falsely, Luke like and talk like a foreign audience, stealing the secretary of state NATO commander. Former secretary staying chairman of joint chiefs, Email I could go on that list is hundreds dumping it out through a third party. Within getting. Yeah. Wikileaks or DC leaks. Whatever cut out she make thing. Getting the media to talk about it. You know, and oh, by the way, sudden up all sorts of in-person meetings with lots of people to try to nudge them along like, hey, you should go look at this. Yeah. Not seeing that before. And I've never seen the US do that on scale. And I hope we don't and at the same point. We can't you know, as a democracy can't really do that. It undermines illegitimacy at everything that we do. And so I hear this a lot of the left. The other argument, you always hear out of sort of the laughed about the Russia stories all I've into Russia, and they're broke and incompetent, and they're they drink too much. That and I'm like, okay, by that logic. That would be like me saying, okay. I went to a supply base in the US military, and they were out of shape, and they didn't work very hard. And none of them seem very smart, and they all wanted to go to monster truck rallies, which would be true. And then say, and so there's no way we could pull off the bin Laden raid. And that's the the same argument if I put in the US context, so you know, Masha Gessen, I think it is New York. She advances this all just no way. It's just not that important. It's not it's not designed to get academe elites in the left of New York City to engage with that content. The tweet is stupid and a million people looked at it by the wedding. And they believe it, and you will see them refer to it in person, we had Americans go under the direction of Russian trolls and show, but a protest for and against Islam in Texas. You know, we had two people one dressed as Hillary Clinton climate a cage at a cheesecake factory in Florida under the direction. Of Russia's influence operator, so tamasha in this sort of argument is like it doesn't have to be any more sophisticated than whatever it takes to get people to do that. And and this is the part with social media misinformation. It's not designed for the highest most educated people it's designed for those that don't have a good balance on what is trusted information. That's interesting as well. Because you do see these things, and you go who the hell believes this? But then it's like five seconds later. I'll say God Twitter's full idiots, and then it's like, whoa, wait. I think I just answered my own question. Yeah. Right. I can give you a terrorism parallel. Please do which is al-qaeda's versus ISIS shirt main al-qaeda, if you look at what they did they design this incredible plot to take down the World Trade Center highly successful. You don't it's one Cajun at terrorized the United States committed us into wars. Then they sit around for a decade trying to pull off extremely elaborate plot, and it's a little bit of Dr evil from Austin powers, right? Where he would be like right, soothing super so complex. It'd be like we'll. Why don't you just kill us? It powers is like no don't, you know, it's like sarcasm have sharks with lasers on their look at ISIS, though. Isis stepped in and said, if we want to kill a hundred people, we don't have to create a hydrogen peroxide bombing cook it in whatever and do this and that and so guys who weren't very smart and didn't get too complex terrorized the entire world in ways L Qaeda. Never did. If you think back part of the reason, we miss Russia and disaffiliation was summer of two thousand sixteen they would do eight attacks eight days, you know, around the world using guns and radios and social media coordination. It's not sophisticated all so if you had thrown that out to a bunch of military planners. This is the Masha comparison they'd been like that. 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I know you're kind of terrorizing Expedia rising your terrorizing one of the guys at West Point. That's right. So when I was a kid outta west Wayne, it was pre internet. The internet was literally dawning that point. And we were some of the first people have Email and like nineteen Ninety-one wheel head intra Email. We have bulletin boards. That was very easy, you know, early and easy in that that phase. But we are also in a prison. We had no phones we had like one television for every who say your inner prison. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it looks like a prison. There's no bars, but you can't leave, and you know, you're sort of locked in there, and you just have time to kill a minimum security prison. Yeah. And so, you know, it becomes like any student sort of population. How can I rebel against the system which is trying to control me? And this is natural. I think it allows represented like, well, how can I think, you know, people around the academy in. So we had lucked out that we had one inner intra campus phone. And we will come back after lunch and usually had about thirty forty minutes in there before whatever you had to do next. And so we just got to prank calling, you know, people around the base because it was something fun to do. But then you start getting bored with that, you know, people just hang up on you. So it's like, well, what can we get people to do? And that's really the fundamental of social engineering, right? Which is under, you know, a false supposition or persona whatever it might be said the circumstances to create a behavior change. And that's what influence is really all about whether you're ISIS trying to recruit people around the world the Russians trying to convince people not to vote for Hillary Clinton. So, but ours was let's just see what kind of you know, reaction provocation. We can do. And so, yeah, I would just go down the phone book all the way, and I would put a little like your Mark, you know, where I was at the day before. And we just try, you know, different things, but we have picked up on one individuals the meat plant operator, and I noticed going up the staircase. That he had all of his phone numbers in all of his work shift laid out by phone number. And so I wrote it down, I shift leader second shift leader. And then that's reconnaissance right for social during like, okay, now, I can personally I know the order of the command. So how can I change that influence, and I would impersonate his first shift leader any fell for that a couple of times, you know, then we change the scenario up and we'd just go round. Then he doesn't answer any of his phone calls. So how do we get his attention? Well, we leave voice messages on an answering machine of a third party who then calls him interesting. But that is you know, that is social media manipulation every part of it. And that's why I like a couple of your podcasts. Listen to you can do whatever you want on the platform for controls in terms of service. They were he was doing the same thing. You know, the meat playing guys like I'm not going to answer the phone. But then we call his deputy and ask him to answer questions. Right because we're trying to influence his behavior. He's the target or we go to a third party and they unwittingly an agent or. We call useful idiot and the Russian context, you know, per- perpetrating an act on her behalf. And so it's like how can you get your target and sort of influence, and that is really the core too. I was learning at the time about Soviet espionage, espionage as part of our normal. You know, military course of instruction. What you know? What's the KGB? What's you know, these agencies and how to different countries do it? And so between that and the FBI, you know, I just naturally fell into this pattern where that became very useful training, which was you know, I was in an authoritarian system where they're trying to suppress me. You know, I'm the opposition. So you learn a little bit about insurgency just from your daily routine. Just how social media takes all that to a new level. And that didn't get you kicked out of West Point. I mean, you must have gotten I got trouble. Yeah. I I remember I got called once it was one of the officers came in. And it was like I heard you make interesting phone calls, and you know, that's the death sentence. You know, less what it was like I hear you're going to be making any more phone calls or something of that effect. It was like, yes, sir. You know lab clearly wanted to punish me. But he's also like, okay. These are silly phone calls and make it a in. This guy's career over you know. Yeah, that's fortunate. Right. Because it's it reminds me of a lot of the problem. I think that we're having with I don't want to pontificate too much on this. But I've got a buddy who is like the most upstanding, smart, dude, honest has a great family is sort of this blueblood Americanized related freaking Paul revere by, you know, six SLs removed or something like that. I mean, literally like house in Georgetown, and he works at Google. And he's like, you know, I think I'm going to work for the FBI. And I said that's great good from sure they would love to have you for he applies in there. Like have you ever smoked marijuana? And he's like, of course, and they were like see later. Yeah. And he goes, oh, really? And they're like, yeah. I I understand imagining the guy sitting there going go back to Google, buddy. And it's like, okay, guess I'll go back to making five times what I would have made here serving the country because I smoked pot and. College eleven years ago or fifteen years ago, and it's like you want people to chase criminals, but you want them to be altar boys that have never once thought about anything criminal related. Yeah. And they're the worst FBI CIA case officers to they've got to be because it's like, oh, I'm not gonna go. Do something immoral with this source. Well, he's got a a hound and he wants to hang out at the strip club and do cocaine while I'm not even going to do that. Okay. Be useless. And now we got to recruit somebody who recruit somebody who's gonna go hang out with your source because you don't want to go into the he don't wanna go touch that stuff. I unfortunately, can't go into too many details. But I had that having a couple of times where you're working with another FBI agent or federal employees, and you know, you want him to police violent crime. But they've never left a gate at community. It gets really awkward which is in a lot of television shows to varying degrees. But that does happen, which is how do you convince especially in terms, I think even more so for I understand the FBI's reasoning behind it more than. The CIA or others. You know, CIA's job is to collect foreign intelligence. There's a big difference with the FBI, which they're actually going to take a case to court, and you have to testify on a stand share. And so. We were both high on meth. But I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Yeah. I it was a regular drug user. Yeah. That is tough. That's why they have has higher standard. And and I feel like I was lucky because I was in the authoritarian system knows West Point in the army, you know, I was already under that rule structure my whole career. So that hurdle was much easier for me to get over. Then I mean nowadays, and I actually said that on the Senate floor to Kamala Harris once she said, why can't we recruit? And I said I brought that one up. I said we get upset if people who've smoked weed she actually gr- I got her snicker a little bit during testimony because she understands it to everyone fundamentally understands about gotta change the loss of FBI can't go. Okay. We'll take a guy who's done lots of drugs, and then we'll have them work. And then one day it shows tests ever break the law. Yes. Yeah. How'd you break? Well, I did a lot of drugs, you know, this and the other go, okay? So just like my client. This is where you know in front of a jury kind of falls apart share. So if you back that out though, you know. This is why legalization of marijuana standardized legalization marijuana, whatever is super important because then that opens the door for your friend who wants to go work at the FBI that standard just shifted. And we don't have to worry about him getting on a stand and saying all yeah. I I broke these same laws. This other guy did that. I just arrested. Yeah. I mean, it was definitely sort of career limiting for me as well. I won't go down this rabbit hole too far. But I used to work at the US embassy in Panama. I remember the hanging out with DA guys. And they were like, oh, what are you doing? You know, and I'm like, hey, I would love to work with you guys. You know, even though they had some colossal screw ups while I like letting someone walk out of the embassy and get into a taxi, and they went where is he said he walked past you guys in your Hawaiian shirts. You know, they were otherwise really cool. And I thought this is a pretty cool occupation like their interdicting all this stuff coming through South America. And there's there they're really adjacent to a lot of high impact stuff like they're in the bar with all these drug dealers and they're about to take him down. And then I just saw like a whole lot of a whole lot of. Well, you know, you just gotta make sure that you don't do any of this stuff. And I just thought, oh, I'm I'm already in trouble. And then like twenty. Your eliminated for life. Yeah. Which that's part of the social media of nominal, right? I think for younger people. Yeah. And why they are choosing the apps they choose whether or not on Facebook. They want to be able to get a job when they're thirty five. Yeah. They're doing something that might get them trouble. Or maybe they're doing something that doesn't seem that bad at the time. But when they're thirty five is going to eliminate them from whatever they're doing. How glad are you that the dumbest thing you did is not videotaped up on a circle. Yeah. For sure I mean, I don't have to think in that sort of conscious hair. And you don't really learn your lesson that way, then meaning that you're not experiencing where right and wrong is oftentimes. And so I I used to always say whenever they give you some. He's never made a mistake. I was like I'm not going with him. Because right, everyone makes a mistake. Ultimately, like, I would rather that person went forward until they fell flat. And then work with a after because I know they won't make that mistake. Probably again, I could point you want him to make mistakes before they. Get to you not after. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind like terrorist attacks people will be like all shy travel there now. And I'm like, yeah. It now they have more security before the terrorist attack. They probably didn't wish what had, you know, terrorist attack. Good point. I hadn't thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. After you see it in the news. It's probably a better time to go than before has right pending on the circumstances. So how do you go from West Point to tracking terrorists at act? I was in the army for seven years, I applied to the FBI in like August two thousand one because he used to take like two or three years and then September eleventh happened, and I was a company commander in the army, and we were getting ready for Afghanistan thinking, we're we're going to go to Afghantistan and then the hired a thousand agents at first year, it was like ten percent of the workforce, basically, and I got a call right away. I took the test. I was waiting to see if I was going to just stay in the army. I wasn't like dead set on. I didn't want to get out. It was like in a hurry of his something of his building options. And they were like you're in. And I was like six months later. They're like you've got a slight. When can you start? I was like, well, I'm commanding an infantry company of one hundred seventy people find out I'm not going to be there for a few months and the army was a curious Segler like Afghanistan was kind of just going into a hover and they were like, we're over strength. We don't need anybody. So we're we don't have any great jobs for you from here on out. So it's up to you. And I was like, well, I guess we'll go in agent dead. Yeah. And I hated the FBI really hated it. The first time I was said to periods there. The first time I went I was very lucky to work on counterterrorism and Portland Oregon really enjoyed the discipline. But the FBI was very much disarray. And I left inside the first year that time, and I went to grad school Monterey when you're talking about. I ended. Up going to the combating terrorism center at West Point. And when I was there, probably six months seven months in a deputy assistant director of the FBI walked in. And he was like we're looking for instructors on counterterrorism. And I did a briefing on a board and in there, and it was like if you did it like this, you could train them on all these things. He was like how the hell did you know that I was like, well, I was one of your FBI agents like two years ago. He didn't know I. And rather than you know, that's a great for me. He ended up organ form all the way until he retired again like a few months ago so over a decade. But that's a great moment. I thought where he he could have just throw me away. Like most people don't he was like, no, you're going to come work for me. And but you'll do it from here. So I started running training programs for the FBI then a year later. I just went straight back to FBI headquarters still at my clearances on they had this thing where you could just come back if you had a Clarence as a special advisor contract, special advisers mostly for retirees, and I was back at headquarters two thousand seven I worked either half the time there or was you a special operations command on counterterrorism from then until about two thousand twelve. Yeah. Are you at this time, are you fighting the influence to stop people from joining Al Qaeda ISIS like what what does that even look like what are you doing online? Help stop because there's so many you can't just be doing it kind of on your own was super lucky. I I worked half in law enforcement space. So that was the bureau source stuff. Which was how do we train people to be able to interact and investigate what resource do they need? How do we restructure intelligence? I was working on that stuff headquarters when I wasn't there. I was all projects around. How do we stop Al Qaeda's influence, which ultimately became ISIS their March to the internet? What are they doing on social media? So that was early projects were like al-qaeda's now using you to you know, like this was mid two thousands. And then after two thousand twelve I came here to work for that same guy after he retired at work to New York City doing cyber security consulting same sort of Intel process, but around cybersecurity, and I was tracking foreign fighters going into Syria rock with my own team with a couple of different teams as a consultant sometimes I'm fly. Two different places show up. Like, hey here fifty sixty guys on. Facebook that are all in Iraq there from your country or your location and some of them are probably gonna come back. You know, in in the message, then early days to dozen eleven twelve thirteen you know, I'm in the private sector. Then was that's okay. I'd rather they are there than here. And they're only there now on lot. I mean, tons of them got killed many didn't come back. But that was the ISIS wave you saw in fifteen and sixteen you know, those guys were coming back into Europe. The they were out there to eleven twelve thirteen of social media as themselves are very simple cover name, and part of the ISIS fame is that you can show that you're there, you know, and that you're fighting, and so you could see them very visibly think at one point we had logged three thousand four thousand maybe so I was doing those kinds of projects in evaluating like why they were being influenced, and I was through the think tank I work at. I was mostly looking at win ISIS would overtake al-qaeda which was not a very popular view. Amongst counterterrorism analysts just because Qaeda didn't eleven and that was very much like they will never overtake L kind. Now. It's sort of like everyone says that, but yeah, what is L Qaeda? What is ISIS in? How do you counter their influence in failing miserably that's a chapter from the book? Which is why the US really can't do this counter influence in in. Why we shouldn't be we shouldn't think we can do with the Russians did either, you know, we fail miserably against terrorists. At one point. You're in this food dialogue with this guy. Omar hamami. Yes. And you end up kind of discrediting him by showing different. You're pulling different levers, and I want to hear kind of the psychology behind this. Can you tell me what that's all about? Because of course, when people say, oh, you're counter acting influence. I'm my first thought is you're sitting somewhere with Twitter display, and you're just looking at your filtering for keywords. And then you're like, no, that's not true. Here's an article, but you can't be doing that. But if you had one hundred people, you can't be counteracting it there has to be some more. Matic things going on. But at some points, you're actively involved in a very public dialogue with these other public figures from the other side, and they're kind of they they know who you are. You're talking to you in vice versa. That's kind of it's weird. It's like to go back to our childhood your little older than me, but not by much. It's like the Cobra commander talking to the head of GI. Joe, right? Like, it's like that's weird in your on Twitter about food woes already happening. You know, no one was paying attention until it became a famous American. But you could watch these terrorists online. They were out there. That's how they were winning people over. And so I've been writing a blog I wrote a blog about this guy Hamami who's from Alabama. He was American foreign fighter he'd gone to shebab in Somalia. Very unique case he's then betrayed by his group. He was known. He was known around the world because he had wrapped on a YouTube video that was it was his big claim to fame. Okay. Which is the fear of all. American counter terrorism analysts, rap culture and popular culture converging with extremism making. It seem kind of like fund which is later did. He was really a precursor is is in many ways and making it seem very Americanized, right? And so he crosses up with the boss of shebab trying to give he thinks he's a really important. He's in his twenties. They think he's not that important, but a good propaganda tool. He shoots his mouth off. And now the boss wants him killed, you know, very, mafia style. So he goes on the run and his YouTube videos change to I've been betrayed by al-shabaab. I still believe in jihad. But hey, everybody helped me out and pay attention to me. And so me some bitcoin or something, right? Yeah. Back then there, he just didn't have it. But I mean, he's trying to survive, and that was my raising awareness, and I was documenting this at my blog, and I had heard that he read pretty much everything I wrote, and we had suspicions about this one. You know, many of us in the circle this is probably him. And the handle was Abu m American. So we we're like, okay. That's probably a, mommy. And you know, you just watch it over time. And right after New Year's twenty thirteen it was like, I'm not working for the government anymore. I'm just doing my blog, and I'm working at a think tank, and you know, consulting work. I can do whatever I want. No one can tell me not to talk to him. And he wanted to talk to me because he knew I would write about him. And so that gets into that social, how do you socially engage with somebody? And I think there's some learning points there, which are instructive of this. How do we count counter disentangle? You brought up a great point there. So fake infant. Let's talk Russia for fake info gets put out we get a bunch of counter. Trolls ago, that's a lie. That's a lie. Here's the truth. That's one way to do it. But as we know from social media is just bubbles clashing into each other. And if you're in that bubble you're gonna believe which want this was different though. This was let's create dialogue back then it was the Obama administration was all. Like, let's by the world coke. And so there was this big belief that we could counter violent extremists by just telling them how great tomography is. And you know, let's give them a hug and right, right? I never believed that in. I was like this is impossible. You're not gonna take a terrorist who's committed his life to terrorism as halfway around the world. And with a few tweets go. Oh, you're right, right. Totally turn my whole world viewer. Look, man. I know you wanna kill everybody starting with all the Jews, but we have XBox. Don't you wanna play? Right. And now that he's not gonna just doesn't work. And so I was like I'm just going to engage this guy. The best tool for countering extremism is just telling his story. He went and joined a terrorist group. He's in Somalia, which is one of the hardest place in the world, and he's been betrayed by his group. And they're trying to kill him. Just keep telling his story. Right. So in the FBI sort of language, you know, how do you gauge with people, and why do they talk what motivates them? And so when you're recruiting agent or whatever influence are a source for a newspaper, if you're journalists I use acronym crime, which is. Compromise revenge ideology money ego, and you line those up and you say, okay, what motivates this person to Omar's very, easy, right? He's compromised on the run, and he needs his story out. So he needs to talk to me. He's got a huge revenge response 'cause he's being killed by his own tears joined ideologically he wants to advance the cause money is not gonna work for him. You know, he's not motivated by that. Or we can go to smelly. And he's got a massive ego. Like, he only wants to talk to people that talk about him. Kind of like a president. You know, it's remarkable in some ways the social media phenomenon. So I was like I'm gonna focus in my compromise revenge in ego with them, and I'm not going to talk about money. I don't wanna say all look how great my life is in America and don't wanna ban banter with them about ideology. I'm not gonna convince him as ideas or bad on Twitter all a lot of people believe that at the time. But I'm I'm not going to change them. So I would just write up summaries of his stories, and I would hit on those things, you know. And I recognize okay, I'll stay in these lanes. And then I'll find common ground. What is common ground for me and him? Well, he's an American almond American. We both played soccer. We like the same kind of foods crispy cream donuts was a big win. And I'm going to hit him back and forth. And that's how those Twitter exchanges would start. He'd be like, oh, you know. Did you read this? And that the road. I'd be like, hey, man. I'm going to chill. He's right now. Would you order, you know, and I just now, and then we just have a discussion. And then at a certain point, you know, once you. You build some sort of report that you feel comfortable just like you. And I now thirty minutes later, the conversation is less awkward than when we started here. Same thing on Twitter like that once you engage fifty one hundred times now you can start talking about. Okay. Let's talk about really why do you wanna be a terrorism? What's going on without him? Immediately thinking, he's under attack and defend his position, which is basically all political conversations. We see now is just people on the attack back and forth. Oh, yeah. I I mean, that's I'm no stranger to this. It's scary to me because I think if I was seventeen and I was just really bored. And I was you know, part of a certain group that I thought was oppressed. There's a good chance I would have been like this is a great idea. I'm gonna go over there kicks him as and be really awesome. Take some photos, then come back and be this. Awesome guy who'd went into all this cool stuff. And I'll be able to talk about it. I'll have all these cool photos all made a bunch of friends and might even have like a girl when I come back. It's really. Repealing. Yep. Of course, the reality is now you're hiding in a jungle getting bit by snakes because all these guys who have first grade education. Now want to kill you thought you were friends with. Yeah. And you haven't eaten for a month other than like, you know, the gruel that your boiling yourself in the middle of nowhere. But what percentage of these guys are just kind of going in for it for the ego because they're young guys looking for glory versus guys that are really committed to this depends on where it's from. So in Europe, it's different. And it's about I would say it's fifty fifty community connections of bring them in and the other half's were internet, and they work together. It's not like there's two worlds, but they are joining because their friends did it's a pack of guys. They want adventure. Everything you were just talking about in. I'm a celebrity now in my community. Look what I've done. And then they go into the ideology is novices and sort of become more indoctrinated to go because they need to justify what they're doing. They're committing awful violent acts. I gotta Justice. Unwind that if you look at the US recruits oftentimes one offs in one offs from my experience are usually two categories one super devout ideologically. Like really believe this utopia vision of bin Laden's, global jihad and think they're going to build this perfect caliphate. According to the books, of course, they quickly. Learn that's not the case or become a suicide bomber because it's like you're two routes or their mental issues there like in that's based on the time devoted to the scripture. I would tell you if they're one offs like recruited from the internet. They're not in a group. They're socially awkward. They get to the group. They're socially awkward. You know, they're in a weird place. And so if you look the ones that are ideologically motivated probably been studying the religion devoutly for many years, and it moved to this. The only way I can do this is to pursue a Cal Vate. And we have to do that through violence for the ones that are. Our go from hey, I like soccer too. I join ISIS in like fourteen days that tends to be more like mental health. You know source stuff. That's just my crew assessment of it. So there's a combination of that as it goes in the experience of foreign fires. If they don't go in groups is very bad. If they do go in groups, it can be a mix meaning that sometimes entire neighborhoods will go into and fight. And it's part of their heritage just like, you know, the the number one recruiter of marine is a former marine or for mill sustain for foreign fighters and most of the world number-one recruit of of foreign fighters, a former foreign fighter that fought in Afghanistan or Iraq or somebody in their neighborhood or somebody in their family. That's like helping coach law the more you get into the Middle East the more physical recruitment, the more you get to North America. The more online that's kind of the spectrum of it. You're listening to the Jordan harbinger show with our guest Clinton watts. We'll be right back after this. This episode is sponsored in part by hostgator. Think you don't need a website for your business or brand do you figure? 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No. You know? Let me point the key point. You're canon three degrees at the left. You point your three degrees right now, you're aiming at each other. How does this outline this process because it's actually it's kind of rewarding. It's a little bit of a payoff in the book to read about this. Because of course, these guys are sitting here trolling convincing kids to go. Join their cause. And now you can get them kinda just punching each other in the face. Yeah. I would do that through the blog posts and then trying to get him. Engage the more. He talked about American things the more the crowd is trying to appeal to search. The question is a really for the Americans or is he for, you know, our global jihadi community that confused they love jihad, but I can't shut up a luxury yacht. AB back re you're not reading rainbow's one thing, you know, he would reference and so that confuses them. That's a culture thing. Like, why are you engaging on this cultural issue? The other part was always like what is right? What is wrong? And really what Omar was part of was this social media populism of jihad before we had Trump maga-. And now the resistance and everything here it had already happened. Isis is nothing more than a jihadi populous movement on social media that overtook the establishment, which was bin Laden and his crew. That's all it is. It's completely made up. But he's all young guys. Connect on social media. Just want to go kill people, and they put it under the banner of jihad. And if you watch the Al Qaeda leadership Zawar and bin Laden like who are these guys? I don't know who they are. That's not what we're gonna do. We're not that focused on killing. Shia at least not now, you know. There was a collision Omar was part of that. I'm on YouTube. I've got my own following. I'm doing ramps people think it's great. Here's my manifesto. Let's go. I'm gonna cheat it and you put you push those. It's. Really an establishment versus a populous movement inside. Jihad just happened years before an ISIS is sort of a first version one of the first versions of that Arab spring. It sorta rolled in there too. You know, we had that going on do you think these guys would have done something else? Had it not been for the Islamist thing. Like what he have joined a street gang and been a drug dealer. Yeah. No. He was smart. You know, when you look at his history in the US. He was smart. He was very charismatic. He was funny. You, and I would probably, you know, take jihad would probably talked to him and have fun and laugh about things he was not dumb. I don't think he would have drifted down one of the things. But he would have maybe been like an intense activists around something. Okay. So and there are parallels to that Adam good, Dan who became an on the American the propagandist. You know, was Zuara was killed by a drone strike in Okita before that he was environmental activists, and he also ran like a hub for death metal. So like, he had death metal tapes and. Ran him Agassi and everybody knew so you know, they move around. I think what's interesting about on is they're open to moral change and new ideas. But once it get on something, they're very very committed. So I, you know, even if you come back, let's say in reformed he would have been the most active. I want to be the number one activist against Al Qaeda. You know, our former okay, he would want it status. Like that was very ego driven. How do you get them to to to fight each other or slander each other to come to fracture? What sort of tactics are using? I think in the social engineering way is watched to see who they react to. And then I would ask very deliberate questions to be like. Wow, you really react strongly to you know, this other anonymous account, you must know him. Right. And then we yeah. I know him, and then they want to trash talk. Yeah. He's a punk. He just talks number take any action. Right. And the other guys like, oh, yeah. You know, what guys like whatever? And one of the things he said was you didn't write roll wraps, and I wrote a whole thing about Millie vanilla. And how Omar was. Vanilla or whatever then he's like trying to prove himself. So I'm just taking pieces of what each of them are saying and Maisky just repeat it back to the other one that false competition sort of thing. But you can always tell you know, there's a lot of social media signatures that are out there. Sure. People aware of which is there's technical ones like time zone. So you know, they actually are talking in roughly the same timeframe. But also if they rack really quickly to somebody makes them very upset or somebody actually know, and you can tell that the other one is like account shutdowns or super valuable. So if you shut down terrace account, and they start up another account the first people that follow the second account, usually actually know that person or in. Yeah. Now guide to find out that figure it out. So you can tell a lot about their network who they react to. Then the second wave is people that hate that person. So you know, they're the decks was that to the show up. So you could kind of clump people together and be like, okay. These are the lovers. These are the haters, and you know, focus on the issues and get them to talk between the two div of software. Where you're like. Okay. These fifty th these five hundred whatever accounts immediately, followed this guy that probably on an Email newsletter or something like that. Yeah. And then do you work with like ISP's to go? Hey, can you find wizar- anything that Senate Email to some large number of these five hundred accounts? I don't have that stuff. I just use. Excel you know, when I've done this with teams for the most part us some networking software. You know, that's out there note excel stuff like that just for visualizations. But for the most part, you don't need anything too sophisticated. If you have it. It's great. I couldn't afford, you know, most of it and the goal for me was not big data. It was the right data, which can you get to the right patches of people in in their banter back and forth. What about does Twitter? We're like are you able to call up somebody Jack Dorsey adjacent and say, hey, look, these guys are al-qaeda. Like we want to get in there. I've I've tried that route and people are not receptive Ailey. Yeah. I mean, this is in the early. This is pre twenty sixteen. So whether is the Russians. Or terrorist. They don't want to know for the most part, or it's complete NAR narcissistic ego. Oh, we are Texan God's you can't possibly figure this out from there. We have all the day that you can't tell us. I heard a lot of that on Russia's this info fifteen sixteen. Oh, you don't know. It doesn't matter. It was only point zero one percent of all conversations on the whole planet that day, but how many conversations in this part of the country, which is a swing state about this issue. You know, and visualizations and how many were real and who amplified it? They didn't really wanna know, you know. Yeah, they didn't believe that's that's too bad. Because it seems like you would we would as a consumer. I would love to think that you have a red phone somewhere in your office that calls up somebody who reports directly to Jack Dorsey or to you know, Zach and says look man, this is a private group that has all these accounts in it. We don't want you to surly shut them down. We wanna watch them. Here's a affidavit that says, here's a bunch of probable cause or whatever. And they're like, okay. We have sixteen new hires. That are dedicated at making sure that we weed out extremism on our network there more that way. Now, I mean, but not really they really don't wanna hear it from the public other than the flagging system for terrorists content, which Facebook did which was good YouTube. Did a version of that? I think is well, okay. That's good. There's not many people are tracking actors, you know, down to the individual level. And then they have to assess. But really what they want is the government to tell them because you know, one person's freedom fighters another terrorist. You know, one person's propagandists is another person's truth who's to say this person's bad or whatever they get. They have a tough time with free speech issues. I totally understand that. But there are a lot of people who could spot this sorta signal to them, and yeah, yeah. It's also got a bunch of data. You could say here's a six-week headstart on compiling enough date. To to prove that this guy is recruiting kids on your network to leave Austria, I still watch people that are terrorist as of two thousand ten eleven on Twitter that are still there that I still watch. That's unbelievable. I mean, another propagandists. But to their point they legally or trying to have someone validate that that is a terrorist or that is a December operator or whatever it might be which is fine until there's violence, and then it becomes a big issue. And then they do shutdowns or whatever. But my experience is, you know, Facebook despite all the criticism, I think has rallied a lot of resources and made a lot of gains. A couple years Twitter is finally starting to get there, you know, some stuff and I like what they're doing with the analyzing the community. I also see them though is trying to discredit anyone that criticizes them to degree. Yeah. And that's not going to be played their vantage long run. They have a different resource a question. And they see their platform is a town square share, which I think is Calera his because if it was really townsquare it would just be. Massacre of people revealing. Yeah. There would be people would get stabbed within seconds. It'd be it'd be all sorts of mayhem YouTube has a more complex scale problem like a whole bunch of different issues and their algorithm. They got a lot of work to do. But yeah, it's you know, they're worried about tide pods and the Russians in terrorist videos, and they get to work cutting people show nipples on their videos, you know, all sorts of crazy stuff YouTube. I have a little more sympathy for because you have to find something that can sort of watch video and decide whether or not it's either obscene insightful, the violence, free, speech, etc. Whereas in my mind, and my simple non tech brain looking at a bunch of tweets with a really powerful computer should be easier. Yup. But maybe it's not Twitter is stuck in some of their own design that they can't unravel like showing you how many retweets you got that totally seem like a good idea. I'm sure the time until you do it. You don't realize it, but that actually incentive. Is the people the right things that will get re tweets right, which could be false, right? Like that craze carry artists. Yeah. How do you do that? Well, if people didn't know how many retweets every now, they would lose their mind, you know, on Twitter, like, I don't know if I reached a lot of people are not all that metric stuff was seem like a great idea now encourages or incentivizes sometimes bad behavior that they can't really police who speech is free. Do we go by US rules? We go by international roles. People don't agree on this. I'm sympathetic in some ways. I would appreciate it. More of Twitter was less antagonistic to those that would probably just work with them. You know, if they will let them how does bias or how and why does does bias? And what types of is create these social media bubbles. You know, you mentioned earlier the filter bubble. We talked a little bit about Jaron Lanier. How do these bubbles actually get made? Because that's what we didn't really discuss. And I don't think a lot of people understand how we get separated. Like little little pills. You know, you see those videos of afar factory big pharma. That like scrapes the red ones the left and the pink ones that are. We don't really understand that. That's happening us. Yes. So the first verse one for I call it a preference bubble so get into your preference. Bubble means confirmation bias you click like like like Scher share re tweet re tweet. And now you are putting yourself in your reinforcing through your friends and family. This is the below. I wanna be in in the algorithm. Then pumps you more of what you like. That's just how it goes. The second one is implicit bias, which is people naturally like to get information from people that look like them talk like them that is your friends and family circle. That is not someone you don't know or don't trust. This is where Russia really understands implicit bias. Which is if I can. Create an account that looks like you talk like you, and I can get into your friends and family, circle or just in your community around a perception that you like, I'm a home run, right? Because the source of the information, then isn't far t- Sputnik or New York Times Washington Post. It's you you are now the source. So your crazy uncle that send you the weird Email is the source. You don't see the story is being from another source. They knew that very early on. So they they told a lot of their writers and producers create a persona as you on social media continued to share your our content through you people won't review you 'cause you're just saying, I'm a citizen journalist or reporter or whatever. But behind your actually deliver RT Sputnik or whatever or today what we would see is maybe a crazy conspiracy video right in the non Russia context. Hey, did you see this video that nine eleven is unreal or BAC scenes, you know, harm your kin? I didn't see that. Why would my friend lied to me about this? They send it to me. That's the second bias the third one. I I call social media nationalism, which is once tribalism sets in you get a status quo bias, which is you don't wanna break from the status quo of your group and the norm. And so you will just pull in only information that essentially agrees with the group, and you will personally be silent. Or not broadcast information, the challenges your own beliefs or that the group once you do that that really just hardens that an entire bubble and those three Biasi sorta layer on each other. So these bubbles ended up defining who we are. Because we kind of like congeals or freezes in place after awhile. Yeah. Your identity shaped around hashtags and avatars, and I am the following see people do that, you know on their bios. I'm following bump bump bump on bomas. As like when did everyone surfing, the resume, and you know, four hash tags on on it, or whatever the pictures. Are. I saw that. It's it was funny because it used to be like husband father writer occasional cow zone connoisseur. But now, it's like hash tag. Maga hashtag father, hashtag build the wall. Right bill. And that's that's that's a right example, right way. Or, you know, more rice example, but there's the new can resigned anyth- yet. You can go to the Cise resist. You know, Blue Wave no wall, no ban Bumba. And that's how people are define themselves. Now, they may exhibit. No actual real real qualities right of doing anything about any of those things. But they ident- they want that identity. And so that's the other part of this social media phenomenon you can pick your identity, whether you're really that or not, and it's not just about fake accounts versus real because like even as a real account. You mean actually do nothing for climate change or any of these issues bumper sticker, right? My kid got that at the library. It's on the car. Now. I call it hashtag hysteria. Which is like we really ramped up about these experts. Like, what do you what are you actually do Reino towards thanks? Yeah. My support begins and ends with putting a bumper sticker on my car. That says go green or something it's like, whatever I'm not going to buy any less plastic bags. No. But I have the bumper sticker that said that's made out of plastic. That says recycle and I'm going to have an eight seat for milestone car, you know, like, but I'm really worried, right? Yeah. Everybody else. Those should should ease up on a lesson. How does Russia then use the preference bubbles to create to turn a little crack into a huge chasm in a western population? So they're picking issues across usually four themes in this goes back to the old doctrine, which is I is calamitous messaging. If you incite fear into an audience space. They will then go to you as an information source because they wanna know am I safe. You know is true. Breaking news. For example. They love that sort of thing. But then right behind it. Whatever you deliver. Even if it's a falsehood. You're more likely to believe because you're scared. You know fear is a powerful weapon the second. The second one is like financial messaging which. I used to do more of a now is more acute, which is attacking the US company with a falsehood making you not believe in good. So one of the failed ones from the Twitter. Trolls was WalMart turkeys are injected with poison you know, and it didn't take off. But they tried it. You know, so as like a smear the big way, though as you infiltrate on Ince's on social issues, and this is kind of what you're asking about. Which is you pick any cleavage. That's ethnic religious, social second amendment gun rights police violence, anti or are four police, you know, stand with blue and you get into those audience by just sharing repeating stories with that audience and once they attract to it. Then you go in and you start just adding a little bit of flavor if you want to infiltrate on its you re tweet or repeat eighty percent of whether saying this is social engineering, right? And if your car salesman, you don't come in and try and pitch them on some you ask about them. I you. Save ladimir. Putin's awesome. You say, well, you know, isn't a terrible with the US government's doing. And you know, you can't really trust the voting machines. And man vaccines. That's crazy. Right. Do you think we can trust those doctors, Donald you're talking about those social issues than what you do all that? Then when it comes on election year, you move towards politics, and you start pushing people towards your preferred candidate in each of those spaces whether it's left or right. Those politicians they have the views it more aligned with the Kremlin are the ones that they're gonna endorse and they'll push those social issues that direction so on the right? It was very straightforward gun rights. Christianity. Where we stand with cops. You know, a stand Neil. Then you go the other way in they're doing menu better Neil, you know, can you believe about the injustice towards African Americans won't Dumbo? But you know, you stack those issues election rig voter fraud. Bernie Sanders got a raw deal, and that's how you pit people against each other without actually laying down any position, right? You're just just noodling people in different different groups in the nudging them against each other. And I want to reinforce 'cause I I'm people right now are already either sent or fixing to send that Email. That says like, oh, you're stupid Schill Jordan about you know, the reason Trump won is because of this this is in the left and the right. This is not they're already doing twenty twenty Democrats are starting right now. Yeah. And this is that Tulsi Gabbard sort of stuff that's come up. You know in the news just over the last week. What's I don't even know what that is? So just that Chelsea Gabbard if you go to RT or spending news, she's in dozens of art. Already as like she is a good candidate. Or she's being held down by the mainstream media or you don't like they're taking a position she has a pro Assad position on Syria soon as she's caught up in this storm, and they're now going to bring her out as man, we should support tolsey gabbert and win. Everybody pushes back on the site position will be like this is just the mainstream elite Democrats like Hillary Clinton trying to hold her down get this like I mean, it was even on air this morning. I watched some of this. And you're like who is for Assad stain in power really in either party. This was not an issue five years ago when I was watching trolls in Syria today, you will hear people on the right in particular advocate for and even people in the left that shows you the power of the system for Russia. I don't care about Tulsi Gabbard down Trump over five years, but they do care that Assad stays in power, and they keep the footprint and now they have that conversation in both sides of the political spectrum. So this is very deliberate. It's designed for a specific purpose? It's funny. You mentioned RT people don't maybe know what that is. Russia today is what is now is it just called RT in. It's essentially people will even send me things like Jordan. I know you must read RT. It's the only real news source that exists now. And I'm going you realize this is actually funded by the Kremlin. We're like it's one of the most unreal in that respect. And I actually got offered to do a show on there. And I went oh my God. I'm going to be on a real network. Let me look this up in a never mind. Cramp, you know? And then I thought I have if they ever heard anything I've done because. That might be why the one that you want. Maybe. Yeah. Because they went, oh, this guy's got a reputation for not being a bullshitter. So maybe get a non bullshit. I mean, it just there they pay. Well, I will say that. They there will they might get you in there. And then batter you about something else. Which means gets you talking about the Russia stuff. And then find something else to go at you about. Oh, well, you you had such such honor. What about when you were a kid? You never know what they're going to pull on you in terms of, you know, a stunt like that or you might be saying something that they do like in due to advance. We they offered me a gig there. That's what I'm saying. Well, yes, an appearance. So I thought like why don't you have an audience? That's why. Yeah. So look at election night coverage from RT. Do you know who the three host were? No, Larry King. Okay. Well, he's huge audience right older population. Ed Schultz, the former he just died, right? Former MSNBC commentator left and Jesse Ventura biggest conspiracy theorist that is election coverage. And that shows you sorta how they think about. I would like to bring in an older audience. I would like to bring in a left leaning on his conspiracy theorist, great, right? This is part of it. You can't trust anything. That's their motto question. More RT question. More hoods never says answer more just like, right doubt. You know? Can I believe anything? The government is terrible elected officials awful. And they've now branched out to they have a spin off, which is there sort of social media channel one called in case you missed it. I think I see. Yeah. That is a Russian front, but for younger people in this to, you know, blend together the social media, satellite television network. See I didn't even know that people send me things from them. All the time in case you missed it. Yeah. Oh, there you go. Yeah. And I'm always like 'cause look I'm got to double check. It could be another variant event or whatever. But if you go to Artie, you'll see this. This is our sub channel and social media younger woman doing very much like what what you would think, you know, for social media broadcast. You mentioned also the death of expertise. Can you talk about what this is? Because it does. Create these sort of we've all seen this these tribes of very smug. I get I see these every day where people go Jordan, you're an in. She'll for this. Like, I can't even listen to you anymore, and they get in this major emotional tantrum. And then I look at their profile, and it's like super non PC as real as it gets. And I'm just thinking you're so triggered right now. And yet your whole thing is I'm tough. I don't care zero zero c given given a lot of Ezra guy. Who's really laid back. You know? So it's the belief in these circles that anybody with an internet connection is a smart as anybody else, regardless of what their experience academic credentials, or or life achievements. Are right and Tom Nichols wrote the book death of expertise. But I mean, I saw it in the context of social media particular, which is go to any kid today in you're like, hey, how do you do this all I can do that? I could take hard out or I can start a car and you're like, yeah. But have you ever done? No. It's on YouTube or. It's on Google. You know, I I can figure it out and on the face. I love the idea that people some people can't can figure it out. I want to encourage kids to figure out and young people in general to figure out whatever they can. But at some point you have to be going. Okay. The downside to this is that this other person dies if I don't actually forget this year. And you don't listen to people who actually know things that are super important, right? So Kim Kardashian becomes an expert on prison reform, just because she has the largest audience, but how many activists have worth their entire life in prison reform that could never get an audience with the president. Right. It really screws up the balance. And so a lot of bad information can get pushed very very quickly with the celebrity stuff. It doesn't expertise. I think a great example is the basic I worked on crowd sourcing a lot and crowds are really good. When it's something they personally experienced whenever they have some sort of information knowledge about it. And when they have an actual opinion, but ask them about something else. Like, how should we pursue vaccine science? Suddenly, they have an opinion on it. Now, they've never made a vaccine they never studied medicine, but they read something on the internet that told them this or the Bilderberg group controls the entire world, or, you know, Donald or whatever they don't actually know, you know, how the where that becomes a dangerous phenomenon in this is beyond just like the Russians. This is like public safety stuff. We've got a measles outbreak right now. You know, an Oregon how the hell they have in those are really intelligent people on average. Right. I was a is Portland brilliant people. How the hell are we not vaccinating kids? We gotta measles outright. So I was gonna ask is that one of those stronghold of anti vaccine, Mike, it'll be fine. Yep. Type situation. Schooling is another one, you know, that's anti institution can't trust institutions. Sometimes I mean, they're Valerie's for home school chef. But yeah, you know, it's all of that Olympic test. Always in conspiracy circles is vaccines. And you would even see troll may be pushed that are disintegrate. I would float out a vaccine conspiracy. Or UFO's? And if somebody hit on that I would follow right up with a conspiracy about the US government interesting for social engineering because you're the person's already saying they're open to whether it's Omar Hamami or a US voted. They're open to moral change or position change. So how does then the Kremlin? You've got these sort of three prongs, and we can wrap with his other Kremlin muddies, the waters and insurers plausible deniability, which you know, this requires a sustained campaign. This is not like, I'll let's this isn't like screwing with people by publishing article on it goes viral like, wow. That worked my friend. Ryan holiday wrote a book called trust me. I'm lying where he would sort of bubble up little he'd sent after a little blog, and hey, you know, this author to this and the authors has client, and then that would bubble up to a local news source. And then a national news source would suddenly be like, this guy is doing all these crazy things. And here's a bunch of free PR for the book, and in the Kremlin kind of like maybe bought that and handed it out to everybody in their info wars center. And now, we've got these. Three sort of strategies alternative perceptions. Something called parsing, and then, you know, refuting facts wrote so refuting facts, let's start with the back one. Is I call it. Flood the zone, right? And this is sort of alternative conspiracies. If you watch whenever they want to refute two the scribble poisoning in the UK, the former KGB guy who got poisoned with some radioactive material is when they did that hits IO material, they then came out with I believe it was in the twenties alternative explanations for why they didn't do it. This makes it so the truth has only one voice, but you know, fiction has as many as you can create and then you have to try and go at each of these theories and tests, the mountain refute them, if you're an expert this becomes exhausted impossible, then when you get to the quick point they go see we must have been right. He didn't say it was wrong. And you're like, I just refuted twenty two before that like when does it stop or just it's it becomes? Well. You know, what you said? Is a PHD in X Y Z that that does make sense. But if that's really true, then how come there's so many other possible ways that this could have happened. And then of course, you're saying there aren't those are all bullshit. But then people go, well, I don't know it makes sense to me which sort of dips into your death of expertise bucket, and we're confirmation by confirmation bias, like I really don't like getting shots, or I, you know, I really just don't like Hillary Clinton or whatever it is that it started off with the parsing part. They do a fantastic way. Which is they take out information. They always include a kernel of truth. And if you watch the troll farm, I called troll farmers their entry level job with their good was the right stripped out blogs, which took facts from real articles and just wrote the facts. So then the social media persona can come in and grab on that fact, and then spin it in a different way. Can you give us an example? So one percent of people that get vaccines get sick. But say, okay, I want to take it out. Politics, then in the social media space. And you know, what happens those one percent of people at least ninety nine percent of that one percent gets autism. That's why we have an increased rate. Now, the article never talked about autism or anything just said one percent that that's not true. I'm just making that up. That's how you construct the parsing then it becomes. I don't I don't know that that's true or not where do I go to look for that. Then you go back to an expert to go the complainant trend, you know, after all out entire dossier. And explain it to you. Then you go. I don't know. You know, I have doubts. That's how you take parsing the breakout Parcells, you know, parcels of truth, you lay them in different places, then you redirect with opinion. So in the media ecosystem, it's RT writes, a maybe mostly fact, fact-based story alternative media adds another layer to it social media adds another layer to it RT writes, a second article which cites though social media counts servers one that was great where five of the Twitter accounts. Sighted, three of them were troll farm accounts. So they're reciting each other. You get to the circle of okay long ago. There was an element of truth to this. Seth rich did die and was murdered. But now, it's become eight different stories. Right share. He was the one for WikiLeaks. He was he was on the run from Hillary Clinton pizza gate is another version of that. That's how you sort of parson and break it out in in redirected away. So that's alternative perceptions parsing. And then refuting facts is refuting vacs is just outright refuting. And that's what you see Putin Laverov or any of their state sponsor media, do so well, and then it's even more damaging win Americans repeated or American elected leaders, I mean Helsinki is that we had nothing to do with with hacking the election, your Intel community is wrong, and they will never admit to it under any circumstance, they they keep that reputation down even when called blindly in the SCR. Ripple poisoning. No, we didn't do it. And you're like yes, you did. Legos cameras went. Nope. Nope. Kind enough identified the agents. They're definitely Russian the guy who invented the substances people died with is like, yeah. There's no way that said anything else, I designed it that way myself he lives in America or lives in the UK. And as soon as you offer that rebuttal the next day. They will flood the zone with alternative explanations for that video. So you almost wear yourself out with rebuttals, and no you didn't the emails. We know that you you stole them. No, Seth rich. Okay. Well, we know that you know, the following things happen with. Nope. Here's this look at this video. Maybe it's this. Maybe it's this maybe this that's the process, and that's very much moved into the US audience basis. Well, like you see American politicians doing this north rim. Right. Did it? I don't know. If that's me in the picture. It's on your page. I dunno fish more believable. If you didn't admit forty eight hours prior. Right now as it was like, facial recognition or something. And you're like it sounds like the Kremlin. You know when I hear that. It's pretty pretty Erie cap. What about something is innocent is dating apps? I mean, are we getting is this defecting? Even are dating lives is this is this going to be on. Okay. Cupid and run into this kind of thing. Or is this strictly social media sure for espionage or influence or infiltration or whatever dating apps are an amazing opportunity. And so I had an account with this using tender where I matched with somebody. And I even laugh to somebody the I was like, oh, this looks like, you know, red Sparrow, this is like a weird account or whatever. And I mashed with I didn't think anything of never spoke to it. And then while I was traveling overseas. I get a message while in there. It was like welcome to following country. And thanks for staying in such and such hotel. And we fluffed the pillows for you. Thanks for staying, you know, like as Tinder profile. Tender profile match with and so do I know who's behind it? No. Could it be anybody trying to social engineer me, you know, possibly? But it was rather ironic because I'm a guy writing about Russian descent fo-, you know, the seems to all make sense, I'm overseas. So now who am I going to report it to there is no technical signatures back in the US, you know, the contract down. But that tells you a lot about your bio, you know, what to do I think they were in my hotel room. Probably not did they fluffed the pillows. No. How would I ever? No. I have no idea, you know. But it's that is a way to sort of go at people, and there's all sorts of creepy or things, you know, you could do like you could find if you could tap into someone's social media dating apps. Let's say and look at all their swipes left to right, and all of the conversations, you can create a persona that they will get so suckered into that's actually going to die down to face symmetry, and pictures and all those sorts of things someone can just create your dream partner. Yeah. And then or a bunch of them match them with you. And then of course, you're. Going to get into compromising positions. You're gonna get totally carried away with them. Yeah. I talk about it. Actually, I wrote a fiction chapter which is the conclusion of the book, and I publish it at medium, which is how to win an election. 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