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"dennis spooner" Discussed on Something Who
"It's pouring. Ami sorry, yes. Okay. Yeah. Hello. And meanwhile also joining us is the star of national radio and acclaimed author of a history of the universe in 21 stars and three imposters. Hello Giles. Hello. Yeah, I'm Franklin from not to be introduced person who's watching video stag this time. But my daughter was at the dentist the other day and she said to me, you know, that that guy to the podcast with his he called Giles Sparrow I said, yeah. She said well I heard him in a wise in a dentist chair talking about his new book. So they go e framing date payment levels Pennsylvania actually thought you'd made him up before then didn't change anything specific but I guess radio for must have been the absolute Zenith. Yes. Yes, it probably yeah. No Steve, right absolutely crazy Gideon to be my state but I've gotta be going to be a little and in the afternoon. Yes, at least they didn't have to yes fend off too many questions about nature and Seasons, which is a bit awful careful. I got thrown but these things happen lucky. I've done some homework. Excellent. Well, I think before I feel like one of your imposters in in in the company of you too, I think we should probably Move on and I guess we should we should start with power of the Daleks. So it's a third story in season four written by David Whitaker with with help from Dennis Spooner..
"dennis spooner" Discussed on Something Who
"And you could see you a little bits of business the speed up within sunny to the to the first exercise, the other the business where. Trends. Approaching the Mercury swamp reading his book is not looking down where he's going. Suddenly he stops turns a page read something in a steps to faces to the left, and then cake perfectly capably walks around the lake all the. Until the episode gums about you never ever going to see but it's good that the you can see that was done to ready delivery stopped forge. A new role in new personality for the doctor and in the way. Again. Further build on what had been done with the doctor. And introduce that into the second daughter was then the sets that sort of rule sad to say well, when you change doctor them, of course, you can do this whole personality shift and that's another one of the great tropes adopted who that's going on. Let's achieve this huge Jovi that the enjoys. olivet worlwide groundwork was done by people like they with a grin and Dennis spooner who who just under not any understood what made good drama Doctor WHO and good knowledge BBC but also how it could it could have a future it wouldn't get to the point where is thinking Oh, it's it's running out of steam. In. The ideas. And I think he was only when probably the end of the sixties when there was a problem with scripts and the the scripts weren't coming in. Obviously there gate dating very professionally. Good professional writers but those writers didn't understand doctor WHO and so. I went been the scripts were coming in you thinking has some good ideas that but it's just not gelling things going back in and being rewritten, get to the point where they would no longer even becoming workable. At you think. Okay. So if you haven't got that great strength of of script writing which to build from then then you script head is is really gonNA struggle to be able to look at it devote the time. To Take it to tint to the planes of people are ten sticks. Homes did when Belay added that's who major contributions to who in the in the seventy S. The table it to sell save fresh to say lively and but it was stupid still say constant to what originally being established back in the in the sixties so. Again huge debts I think we owe to people who probably don't. These days now because you don't hear from them, you never will produce. Don't get the recognition that I think that is A. Sure Yeah. Interesting. I was just thinking about the the Crusades me we talked about Eric it was. Canfield directed it, but it also I suppose the. Obvious collaboration between with current. spooner. And in the crusade, the doctor becomes almost the calming relief for a couple of episodes you. So I wonder thatt's spoon is influence on on curl whether it's it's a reworking the script out who is but yeah you. For the first time. Well. As you're saying this this this the Romans, of course, you've got that you know a real sense of the doctor finding the funding the situation as. As well as the the strangeness spoke. Then, it's been a script Tennessee of he he was always. Saying how they're gonNA Butler sculpture in front. He was always one that would go to the ball with the activism if he could. Tuncay. He very often be popping in there for reneging. From the little tight personally nine day a guy I think he was a little bit more distant. It was interesting talking to his. June, it was his first live could be wrong. But she said they had David was very much a little bit. A man in the wrong time, he was very formal tended to be very precise in Ami dressed and. was very much. slutty out of kilter with with the modern world, he could probably play the judge minister or something. But he will. He wasn't. He didn't think he was the great sort of social animal that Dennis spooner Terry? Definitely. Walkers. And I think. They would have working out polio being. Gone from a long walk thought about its, she did say that said because David wrapped around bounce call and that's why. So prominently in the past when the he's adapting the start of a started up to. An audience, it wasn't able to to see a a novel of the of the Kagan story. So you thinking yes. You can see that the president has the moral imperative. Then the woman comes off and then fleshes it will happen gives it A. Great World. Yes it's You lucky to have them in the succession that that did. Think he'd you I. Think you need with go first to give it instructor framework and? Purpose, but it took sweetness silo. We can't just do this story trying to get him back open every week they go to get locked out all these reporter starts taking it off in a in a wider direction moving along worried so much about the. Get back to the ship in all of the time. That's a nice way to see changing very positive way. Sure. Okay well, thanks Jeremy. Fantastic again, a very, very fun hour talking with you about your memories and to. ME, more isn't it. If you're still wake out there. A While now I'm sure like like me the listeners hope he will be wrapped with that lovely glimpse into into a time that. was just just just before. I was around but I was so lucky just to have those first two seasons. Yeah. I think in the occupied was a big absence, but you do think the rest it just paints such a wonderful. Picture whites has longevity thousand. You can see occasionally little weak point the sense rights web. Much, more which in the lateran episodes and I the only ones and the fact that we got to enjoy now hopefully forever. Yes. Get pilot right one on God. Would mean a slow that happens. Well, we keep we keep hearing stories that we. would be fantastic to see it if eventually come back. How is how the month in the Valley Way and get at least one store? Okay. We'll look thanks ever so much for joining us again Jeremiah and. For sharing those sorts with us and you'll always be welcome on this podcast if you have anything else to tell us in future but. Also zero phase. Is You know when you're going to have one. which has been a great pleasure as always..
"dennis spooner" Discussed on Next Stop Everywhere: The Doctor Who Podcast
"I. Think this is up to anything that you WANNA put anything in West Wing You WanNa put you know the Sopranos this is just beautiful storytelling. So I'M GONNA give it ten out of ten. Wedding dances very nice. Very nice. Right Zan. How about you? This one nine out of ten stolen sodas I love this episode Took my rating? What are the odds of twenty five percent chance of giving my own? So what was the? Point for I knocked off points just because there's other better stories or no it's not. It's not that it's it's more. I knocked off I knocked I can't really articulate why. To just I was just curious. I think I think just knocked it off because there there are some. Not Perfect moments in their. From a from a storytelling perspective and I don't know I just it. It's so close to perfect but it's not quite there which almost makes it even more perfect. That's okay. We love you fans rating doesn't count she can't back it up. Oh. It's a it's a gut radio. You're you're reading counts Charles Schwab only ever given a ten ten to one thing and you know what that is I know I know I'll just leave it there and then yeah. You say Vincent no episode eight of twin peaks the return. In my opinion. So the greatest. Greatness hour of television that has ever been completely different. So. That is just my way. That's all right. That's good standards. That's all right. So Nick how about you? What's your rating? I'm going to give this eight, hundred ten hello sweeties Oh low score from nick on this one. I know somebody get on him. Everybody else that's that's why apologized is giving a ten for ten I feel like I'm being the. Yeah I'm being the overly optimistic a your. Void Nick. I'm kind Kinda surprised at you with that one because I will back it up by saying it's not my favorite doctor who finale that's why Oh. Okay. All right. So you you've. It better is in European. Yes. I mean I appreciate this but like I said Dr who has done better finale wise compared to this. All right. That's fair. That's fair. John Everybody is like you only get one spot on the list and instead of like this is How good it was it's getting weird. Now you're talking about me mentioning rating system I think it's changing again. Well, it's we're very rating fluid here next up everywhere just saying I can't keep up. Pretty simple for solid state. All. Right. So we'll get to. Christine's rating here. Minute but John What about you? For me I, this is probably one of the more. I WANNA say solid to ours. Yeah. Generally we get when we get a two parter, the first part is amazing and then the second one. Just putters away but this one was pretty solid for both parts I didn't like I said earlier I wasn't really into the whole alliance thing just because many reasons of my own So I'm GonNa give him give this one eight, ten plastic Romans who John John Siding with Nick on this one interesting Christine I know going to ratings as always interesting when when you're on so go ahead and give us your rating. If you would please I'm definitely not the Russian judge tonight I didn't say you were. You've said it in the past, but not now we'll see I love when the main storyline is spread out across the whole series to be wrapped up with such a big finale in the end of the series tied up with pretty bow tie and a few loose ends to curious. Yes they're very cool and. I've as much as I like Jodie Whittaker I've been missing that storytelling style where there's a little bit of it in each episode that you go that mystery with the bread crumbs, they haven't really done that with whitaker. So this is what I like what I got used to with doctor who is this type of storyline and look the big awesome finale tight altogether however, I am finding myself tired of bootstrap bootstrap paradoxes especially after my billon marathon go watch face the music it is weird. But I will be talking at his smidge for that. I will give it. I was going to use time traveling sodas but that was taken nine and a half blast or shot. fezzes. Nice. Very cool as for me. I really like this one I know it's got its plot holes I know. You know some of the things could have been done a little better or differently or a little clear and a lot of ways but I love the effort that Moffitt really put in descript. This was the first I mean this is one of the first real intricate probably since the the eleventh hour scripts from from off it. In his era and I really love it and I appreciate the fact that he tried to incorporate the entire season into this finale interwoven with previous events and making that all you know lineup for the most part in the dialogue is great. In this one big ideas. I love a big idea story and I love the fact that wraps up this. Magical fairy tale ending and gives you this great or fuzzy feeling is it sends you off waiting for the Christmas special. So I give this one tenant of ten drunken giraffe dancing doctors. Very nice. I'm with Jesse. Dance move is called. Yeah. Well, especially they've kind of made fun of Matt Smith at the way he was dancing and that he looked like a drunken giraffe I think that's one of the things that. Rang a Tang Mafa put him the script or something that the doctor can look like a drunken giraffe. So the so that's what I'm going with. All. Right. REVERSE THE CLARITY obviously we're running along. So I'm just GONNA re just simply state that if you enjoy this story, GonNa recommend something that John Tackes was kind enough to mention very briefly. a story from way back in nineteen, sixty, five, sixty, six, the daleks master plan the third zero season three written by Terry Nation Dennis spooner because this story had.
"dennis spooner" Discussed on Fusion Patrol
"Rich pharmaceutical company. And no-one loses help the insurers and I'm not saying give money give them money to charity into old widows and orphans and things yeah well or is this case to to challenge Happens to be an educational institution which lost people would recognize as being a worthy cause mentioned in program that receives donations. Yup Yup Yup. It's it's I would still argue that you know. It is an indefensible position morally. I I don't I don't agree that you can argue. Well we're just stealing from an insurance company. We're giving it to to these old ladies and puppies or whatever I'm no know I didn't say I didn't say it was right. What I'm what I'm what I'm suggesting. Sympathetic yeah and and and these kids have misguided rather than doing something that is very obviously completely. I mean what what we would be. What would be looking at is something that is completely amoral. Would we be different if they were thirty years old? They're adults or giving because their children. I think I think we all giving them a slight past because June. I mean I also think we we've watching in entertaining heist so we with we're falling into that same trap then. I think the problem with the because I must say I did find the accident. Tiny I I tend to like Dennis spooner stuff. You know he Owner new as he some avengers stuff. You'll know he. He did a number doctor. Who's and created Ronald Hawker He? He's an entertaining writer and he's given us what is basically a heist an gotland classic kind of Punchline to the opening where you have been planning the heist but you can't see them and then needs discovered that kids. That's so like it could have been an avengers episode K. I knew they were kids from their voices. Sound like kids. I I wasn't. I wasn't clear that they were going to be in a school dormitory in their pajamas. Sarah I they sounded useful and I and I genuinely think that was. That was the intended reveal and it reminded me a little bit of like the competent vengeance that were in schools but accompanying universities typically taste of history From season full. But I think the point as what spooner had to do with this was cram it into the doom watch format said the had to be some doom us Gulch and that was going to be kind of the the Educational. Tara live having kids educated by computers. So that had to be a certain amount to do you. Not think that's interesting that you phrase it that way because I feel like these episodes driven the other direction and that instead of cramming the doom into it they. This is a well done crafted way of turning something. That's pretty esoteric into a good story. Not exactly saying you're cramming a heist into a story about the warnings of of logic. But I just feel like it worked the other direction that they came from an angle instead of. I've got this great high story now. How do I make them watch? I know I'll add a lab. I made that logic but he may have come from the other direction but I think I think there's a mismatch in the sense that he doesn't organically fit together. What we've got the the Dumont players happening again to be in the place where something different is occurring from what it is that they were there for so they were investigating one thing and then John Ridge starts playing detective. And that's how they get involved in solving a crime and quiz goes off and does his interviewing the the new headmistress and the kind of sat putting his head in his hands and you know what. What's the world coming to? I must ring the police in and show police and resourceful young students now quick question before he drifts too far from it with regards to the morality of the issue if Portland's company hadn't paid what would the kids have done because we're saying there painting them as relatively sympathetic. Because here is almost victimless crime. Like the insurance company but if they had failed to get the money would they have carried through on their threat to turn it over to a competitor? I mean that's that's a less sympathetic I did. I did wonder it I did want to and in a way the thing that points towards the possibility that they would do that is that they will ruthless enough or at least Was routed enough to frame his dad which it makes you think that he at least is somewhat morally deficient by don't know his dad is from an logical point of view whether they would actually be any gain in sending even if they could get him out which they were having trouble with with be any guidance ending his. I do think that the part of framing print is absolutely not spur of the moment is part of the overall arching plan. Oh Yeah Yeah. No doubt no doubt about because they had a bug detector. Tickle that they that they had somebody to place that on and go so now Another question is because obviously this is a school that is very different from schools that we would recognize largely here in the United States is part of the deficiency here the fact that it's a boarding school and we have boarding schools. I don't think there is common. Perhaps here and and so. These children are being raised without the benefit of their families being raised in institution as opposed to end and we know institutionalized kids have more problems and am I say institutionalized types of I think and I think you got to have a good case there I you know there was a very much. You are providing the school you are not providing their ethical and moral grounding and they they made a point of referring to it as liberal arts and I and I'm wondering you know. Is this an argument for Liberal Arts over targeted specific education know? When I went to school I had no interest in going to liberal arts at all my interest was to go into engineering and as time has gone on as I've gotten older and I've gone to appreciated. I think I might have gone to liberal arts. I for that sort of thing. Not What to do attitude that they have so. I don't know I just obviously. I think there's some Dennis spooners preconceptions playing in this episode strongly. Maybe I'm wondering whether Dennis spooner went to school now but I mean the Gorse. He think about detainees in society. I think there is. I don't I don't know whether people who go to boarding school have any more issues. I did. Don't know whether that street because you get. He's still get to an upbringing. It's not like every parent who sends their kid to a day. School is an excellent mobile guardian and many schools So I'll absolutely agree Absolutely I you saying that makes me want to clarify that. I do not I absolutely am not of the camp that says every family is the most qualified to teach their children the way they should grow up that is that is absolutely not true because there is no correlation between the quality of you as a person in society and the ability to procreate and they are they are different things so just because they're at home does not mean that they get a moral upbringing. I didn't did not mean to imply that it's just that you have got. You don't have second checkpoint. They're not going home at night and talking about what they did at school and somebody sitting around going That sounds like a bunch of amoral computer programming in my child. Perhaps I should be concerned about this. You'll get that because they're all cloistered together in that school and they're all on the same track and all. The teachers are on board on that and all the so by being isolated and locked away it provides an environment that would allow something to fester quicker if if it happens whether that's institutional racism or snobbery or Logistics Logistics System. Whatever the word would be for that it. It just seemed like a kind of a place where that could take off faster. If that makes it's a it's plausible hypotheses whether it's more likely I don't know I think in some ways some of the things you're talking about all what schools would say is the advantage in the sense that it's tapes the students in a particular culture in a particular value system which there are those who would say is morally beneficial. Now whether you agree with that probably depends on your own worldview and the particular type of education that any given school is offering my my impression of English in a private public. Those are private schools right or less public's that's public privates well but I think public schools were private public school surprise. Yes and then you have private schools which are also private. Is that correct? What we know about this is a private school. We don't know whether it is a public school. Which is a toxic private school. Okay that is just too confusing but what I know of. That is what we get from television so my understanding is that it largely involves having younger students having hot buttered. English MUFFINS JAMMED BETWEEN THEIR BUTT CHEEKS. As part of their culture. So yeah what. It's the type of private school. So so what is a not private not public school? What's left if it's public or priorities funded by stakes state school state school? Okay see public and private us in the United States are the two mutually exclusive opposites. That's what there are. There are public and private public being state-funded to okay and that's why that gets so confusing because his words just mean something totally different. I far more questions about public and private schools. But I'm not gonNA ask him chest. Catch that off Awwa. Basically if you've public schools a judge has eaten Harry. Rugby shows we Westminster Winchester particularly long established private schools. This is not public school because we didn't get the impression that is it said it's multiple recently established on the fifth. They said Yeah and and so but we do know that it is privately. Funded his very explicitly state now. Interminable of will I think spooners trying to say it may be? It may be a comment private schools. I just checked and according to a piece right. He left school at fourteen and became a telegram. Boy for the post offices doesn't sound like the career of a typical public school. Private school boy correct. That would also be nice. Thing went on Platelets Norton. But that's another story. The comment that Ridge makes in this story about why he thinks that there is something wrong with these particular kids who are being educated with these computers. Is he says. There's a sean about the mental arrogant. And I'm.
"dennis spooner" Discussed on Next Stop Everywhere: The Doctor Who Podcast
"Are and the deepest part of winter at the exact midpoint one stops and turns and hugs as if to say well done. Well done everyone. Were halfway out of the dark back on earth. We call this Christmas or the winter solstice. I can't tell yes on this world. The first settlers called it the crystal feast. You know what I call it. I call it expecting something for nothing beautiful and then he pulls it down. It's what happens when Catherine does the narration. The doctor pointing to Fo- frozen Abigail Pettigrew. Dan goes who she catherine says. Okay as Ryan says nobody important. The doctor says nobody important blimey. That's amazing you know that nine hundred hundred years of time and space. I've never met anybody who wasn't important before. Yeah one of the classic doctor who lines that I had forgotten was as part of this. That's very good my last one and I think this this gives so much back story and so much of other doctor when Catherine says I've never kissed anyone before what do I do and the doctor says we'll try and beyond nervous and rubbish and a bit shaky aspirin says why the the doctor. Because you're going to be like that anyway you might as well make it part of the plan. Then we'll feel on purpose off you go then now I kiss her now and the doctor in this says is about the doctor Cazar and trust me. It's this or go to your room and design a new kind of screwdriver. Don't make my mistakes now. Go Oh that's fine it was. I love that that was great and I also like this line from Catherine and this is my last quote Abigail. The goal was ill when she went to the ice to the point of death. I suppose the rest of the rest in the ice helped her but she's used up her time all this Christmas Christmas ease with me. I can release her anytime I want and she would live a single day. So tell me goes to Christmas present. How do I choose which day yes? It's so poignant absolutely are I'm let you go first to what's your rating my rating. Obviously I'M GONNA get this one ten out of ten flying sharks. I love the very nice. Yes I do I do too. I'M GONNA give it ten out of ten honeymoon dress ups Yeah I just there is It is just a a perfect Christmas And like I said because this was my first Real time Christmas special for it has a special place in my heart. It delivers Matt Smith being his Matt Smith is with the theme it. Just it's it's beautiful. I love that so fantastic job. Well done everyone. Yes so Jesse you have a reverse polarity I do have a reverse the planning yea you might not think I may have one because you know back in the day back can the classic era. Of course we didn't do dr who Christmas specials and that's something that kind of the modern era came up with they would show repeat sometimes they would pick a happy very popular story air that on Christmas or whatever but they never actually did anything original for Christmas so Doing without him. I though I'm GONNA choose. I want to take the Tartus all the way back to one thousand nine hundred sixty five nineteen sixty six four dollars master plan can. This was the third year on season three written by Terry Nation. The creator of the Alex and Dennis spooner now. The General Gist of the story is In the year four thousand dollars WANNA conquer the solar system and Only the first doctor and his friend Steven Taylor. Sara Kingdom and Katharina can't prevent catastrophe although there's no guarantee they'll escape with their lives but in one episode called the Feast of Stephen. It was the seventh episode of episode. Twelve are this twelve part. This is twelve episodes okay. This is a huge so you may think that okay okay. Like four partners are hard to get through being an hour and a half. This is a twelve episode saga. Wow and so So with the Feast of Stephen Even We have the first doctor essentially taking a little break from the action from the main story. So it's kind of like a site a little a little little pause in the action and he's going outside to fix this Tartu scanner while his companions at the time Sara Kingdom and Steven Taylor remain inside ride the hardest land this polluted area of nineteen sixties England outside a police station where the tarsus being watched by a bunch of policemen and to make a long story short for the sake of time. You know. There's there's a lot of confusion the allow the like the doctor gets arrested By the COPS brought into the station he starts confessing like in this interrogation room that. Oh Hey I travel in time and space and they think he's nuts and they're on their way to lock came up in the Looney bin when Stephen who gets a hold of a police uniform comes in. Says he's like a member of this like new recruit from g division. And and he'll take care of the doctor so he gets back in the tar. Sarah meanwhile while in the process of trying to repair the scanner outside also is in the process of getting arrested. When the doctor and Steven Return but they get away they get back in the Tartus and In the you know the the end up traveling to this film set where the Doctor Encounters Charlie Chaplin and Bing Crosby and Dan of them materialize away from that and at the end of the episode. And this is where it gets the real Christmas connection here the doctrine companions have toast to Christmas. And it's here. That William Hartnell breaks character breaks the fourth wall and addresses the audience directly going wishing you know a merry Christmas to everyone at home all nice so so essentially. Yeah this is the closest thing we kind of get to the classic Era Christmas special. Say so it's very cool very cool moment that that's I believe is on online on Youtube. I think that little clip is that little seconds if you need the actual episode doesn't survive but I think that clip has not mistaken if nothing else they audio's definitely out there but but it's very cool and It's kind of Nice to see that little breaking the fourth wall because he denies you don't see that very often in doctor who luke. Tom Baker was fond of that doing that. Every so often but primarily doctor who doesn't do that so it's very cool very nice so check out the The the Feast Stephen The seventh episode of the DALEKS Master Plan. That's my recommendation. Nice very nice all right so we do have some feedback. Oh very very good Some a lot of feedback. We've got three people writing in this time. Nice so all right so I'm gonNA give this a shot because my voice voices cracking here as you can probably tell all right so first off. We have David Kay proctor writing in. Thank you David once again. Always great to hear from David David in writing and of course about a Christmas. Carol says I'll tell you what I am not really sure what to say about this show. This episode is very entertaining retaining and has just about everything. I like an doctor who but also throws the rules right out the window. I know Christmas specials are supposed to be like that and seems he was like fiction inside fiction so I guess this fits the bill perfectly. Well it is very entertaining and I do like it. I'll go ahead and give my rating as nine and a half out of ten Dan. Freezer pop girlfriends. Nice when I want to know what the the half point deduction is for yes since I'm watching the show out of order and just recently watched the husbands of river song. It's another Christmas special from the capacity era. I can't help it Entertain the questions. That are asked such as could you do it. The doctor has done it and we'll do it again. He's lost everyone. He cares about including his own entire species although of course we know that he finds them again but that doesn't mean he didn't suffer through the laws right so I'm guessing he's talking about Dr Falling in Love Katherine that Katherine is his loss. Would he loved God. Could he could give sacrifice that love. Yes absolutely I get it now. Okay so Since the doctor is also met Charles Dickens. It's okay you borrowed this idea. I would say so. Like I said they're time Bros.. Right exact they all can't be original but like that original work. The best part of the show is that it makes you reflect on. What kind of person are you and what person you have you been and what do you want to be? Yeah we cannot go back in time and fix ourselves obviously but we can live our futures as the best people we can be..
"dennis spooner" Discussed on Next Stop Everywhere: The Doctor Who Podcast
"I think yeah I think it's also a credit to the ride right has who developed the character they gave him depth and another car to to evolve as you mentioned the NFC child he's not the same same time. He wasn't enough child going up here and it's only been this is I believe as we're seeing the end of the second season so the has been time for oh the doctor to grow and I think it's indefinite is a credit to the writers they gave a flesh him out so much and I think it might have been boring if he'd always been so oh so confrontation with everybody and it gives him humanizes him more and I think we ended up it makes him more endearing to view as I think too I agree I agree agree totally and I think part of that also is because maybe initially Susan was around so he felt more protective of her and so he wasn't his trusting two other a to anyone else that might be around her but with her gone in the Dalek invasion of earth maybe he's not as protective of Vicky and so he accepts Stephen Moore easily props and if you kind of get where I'm going with that it is kind of like the protective like you own the date. My daughter got all right anything else more about the first doctor before we move on now I think I think we're pretty much we pretty much covered with the grounded. The baby needs to have it okay so while the subject of new companions. Let's talk in our second topic. Let's Talk Steven and Vicki Vicky who we haven't really talked much about here on next. Stop everywhere. We haven't really gotten a much of a chance obviously she was brought in as a replacement for Susan much more young I wanna say someone impressionable girl but very eager for adventure and very protective of the doctor and but obviously with the departure departure Ian and Barbara they needed somebody to kind of for for Vicki to play off on when the doctor wasn't around so they brought in Stephen Peter Purvis and you know the the these two seem to have in a pretty decent amount of chemistry right off the bat or or is that just me reading too much into that. It's definitely not just you Charles. I think that the BIC in this I think is a trio. They really eighty work together and I absolutely love how much Vicky of believes in the doctrine how supportive she is of him because as soon as Stephen even tries to kind of knock him down if you she's immediately rushing to his rescues no. It's not like that and you know you've got to believe this guy and I really appreciate. I was kind of all it was really as you said it could be. The fact that she's young impressionable inch maybe go to the doctor as a father figure right so she's rushing to two dad's rescue as it were but some the costing was was brilliant because there's just three of them. Just make such a great team regardless of Ah you know you of course you have Stephen Moore confrontational when at first but they do end up new jenning well together and I think it's definitely a recipe for success these three August yeah it. It does make a very good dynamic obviously I think it helps also that the fact that kind of path back from having four are characters in the hardest to just three and so we kind of get to we get to see Stephen do quite a bit in this story is very for a story full story three and as opposed to you know when it was made his debut in the chase and I think it's I I think I think it it was a smart idea to kind of have him paired off with Vicky at first because Vicki is the one because she's a companion just like him and can give kind of be the the one who convinces him and get him past his initial skepticism that he was in a time machine and so what did you now they they kind of play up a little bit off of that they have steven being skipped very skeptical that he actually travelled in time and it doesn't help that when he comes across some saxons that attack him that one of them is wearing a wristwatch watch given by the monk and so steven takes that watch but his his whole impression as as well. We can't be back in Viking Times because this guy has a wristwatch and as a river you know obviously we find out there's a reason for that but you can kind of understand where Steven's Steven's coming from going well you know. How am I supposed to trust you because this doesn't seem exactly very authentic now does it? This is very true. There is the one thing that I was wondering speaking of Stephen is what's with the with the pounded anywhere yeah the mascot yeah that was that was a if you watch the chase that was this thing I think it's because Stephen was because it came from the far future and you know and he was very isolated so so we like they had this he had this stuffed animal the the stuffed panda and he'd called it the mascot and so it's kind of like if he ever saw them the Tom. Tom Hanks movie castaway where Tom Hanks you know he's he's isolated on an island stranded red and Maroon and all he has is this volleyball to kind of keep him company so we Kinda personalizes it and starts calling it Wilson Listen and he starts talking to it so my my guess is that the mascot was essentially the only the the only quote unquote person that Stephen had to talk to so he was very attached to it one glad they got rid of it to be it wasn't a jar and sometimes cenovate manual can around with his hand the bath as much as you know we we love. We love stuffed animals. Don't get me wrong and he stuff down the most we w guys it wasn't exactly was just kind of a little bit weird but outside of that's not there I think you you you made a good point there about the fact that first letting Steven dickey pair off so that some against also it's good because Vicki kind of almost us because she we we have traveled with Doctor Light Vicki and Steven is the new guy in so it's it's almost expect us. Looking through Vicki's is at at this new guy we believe because we've seen certain things happened and he's you know I'm very vocal in when I'm watching Dr Sun's Kinda yelling at the TV at someone's we're being stopped being such believe for God's sake. What's what's what's your problem and you're GonNa like you? Can you can buy a machine. That's bigger bigger on the inside than it is outside. You can't handle time travel exactly I was being such a toll yeah but obviously it comes around eventually. There's this great moment in episode three where he finally admits to Vicky okay. Now I kind of believe that we're time time traveled and she's like finally finally with your audience everything but but he does have so you know some funny moments. you know she's you you you mentioned in and actually it's pretty pretty observant away that He Vicki is essentially because of Stephen Vicky is the one who gets to explain the Tartus gets the explained the show and as a result. She's the John who kind of speaking to new viewers that may be just checking out the show for the first time so everything was you couldn't can you do have. VCR's and you can watch the old episodes so good point. It could be like a recap of what happened before you probably still had people just starting to check out you know like they they knew that their friends were into it watching the show because of the dialects or what have you and so maybe they heard about it but didn't jump on board right away but eventually they checked out the show so someone had to bring the new viewers up to speed and and Vicky explaining that to Stephen was a a great way to do that. Oh yes I think I think that was probably also function up certain scenes that we saw with Steven wants to bring people up to speed guest McCormick's when you end up halfway through a run and you haven't had a chance to check out the previous issues and like throwbacks to happen before back see issue fifty five or whatever they might repeat things to other people have ranted at the beginning of a particular conic run for example exactly exactly and and you know and like with like with comics you know Dr who any story is someone's first doctor who story so so It's always good especially for writers to kind of keep in mind that hey maybe someone watching the show may not be completely up on the past past what is it you know now sixty six years of doctor who or any army fifty six years gives me non jumping ahead fifty six years of doctor who and so yeah they may not know everything so maybe you kind of need to explain himself some things once in a while and I kind of like you know Stephen. There's they make good use of that like when Vicki's explained the Tartus and then there's this great moment where Stephen Kinda rush shoots back in with you know she you know she explains you know t a R D I s timing relative dimensions in space and he shoots back with I I hi de be i. I don't believe it that was clever. Band was the writers was definitely on a a game in this particular opposite Yeah Dennis spooner is actually probably from the heart area is one of my favorite writers from the Hartnell Era he writes some very clever dialogue and he annoying economy put he brings a lot of characterization and if you notice the monk has some very funny lines in this story and with the doctor and then you know the the doctor obviously gets great lines and we'll talk about some of those later obviously but but it it helped to kind of introduce Stephen to doctor doctor who fans and by make him by giving them that personality right off the bat and probably helped people accept him because does of Vicky learning and the doctor lending to accept him as well. I agree but also of course why it's great writing into of of course you have to have the right actors to certain lines don't full flats and you mentioned of course Mr Butterworth and he didn't credible job of what he was given so so it's all coming together great skills of the rights on one side and the actors interpreting it in the right way to where you went like Oh yeah that's some fun you tool so certainly question that to you. I think you just gave me a nice perfect segue into our third topic so let's talk about the monk finally and let's talk about the Vikings as well because we find the monk has a plan. It's not the best plan but it's a plan and his plan as we find out is essentially to lure the vikings kings to the coast to destroy the Viking fleet and the.
"dennis spooner" Discussed on Next Stop Everywhere: The Doctor Who Podcast
"Charles Skaggs when your co hosts here today back in the Tartus ready to talk some very very very very classic doctor who with the time meddler here at episode one fifty three and joining me once again as special guests companion is Italy's finest. Dj One of our favorite special guest companions here next up everywhere. You know him you love him. You can't live without him. Dj Nick Welcome back to next up everywhere. Hey Chelsea. Thank you for that one. I told you you you keep flattering me more and more as timers on the air. Now we gave me a big had happened. You blushing and thanks so much for having me back on. I'm really happy to the F. Obviously you're always welcome to join us here. we we appreciate you having having you here because you bring so much life and energy to the show so and give us a much more cosmopolitan feel which I kind of like who we do our best exactly. It's not yeah exactly and you know you make us fill more worldly. That's good and well traveled so everybody obviously the if you listen to the next stop everywhere you know Knicks Fine Work here as we've talked about the enemy of the world in revelation the dialects and others obviously nick was a big part of our Episode One Hundred Fiftieth episode where we talked the stolen Earth Journey's end in that big two and a half hour extravaganza and he's back here. Obviously we're going to talk the time meddler from the William Hartnell era and this was a story that nick suggested so kind of curious before we get started. What was it that kind of intrigued you about talking about this story as you know as I've said before Charles have worked in a huge fan of classic who era having you have mentioned that first famous marathon we went I went through and this was one of the episodes that really he hit me? I think it's kind of like the enemy of the world's full run from Trautmann because it really stands out I think also it was the very first time that we got another time goes milestone episodes for for that reason to and I just love the the episode as a whole and just how the monk and interacts with the doctor and what had gone on he's not as menacing of courses the Mazda we get later on but I think it's a nice introduction to the doctor you you know that there are other time lords out there yeah. He seems like a almost a prototype master. Obviously is not nearly as menacing but it is the first first time we actually get to meet someone from the doctor's own race that wasn't Susan and it does finally expand his mythos a little bit that there are other time Lords. There are other tortoises. It's not just his and you know there was obviously when they would show for started. There was implication location that well he created this. He created the Tartus and obviously as the show progressed kinda learn now. He didn't create it. He just stole it and went into exile from his own people as a result and this is the first time he comes across. We'll someone from gala Frei presumably and it's kind of interesting to see the doctor playing off another another time traveler in the story and obviously they're two completely different mindsets. The doctor you know is is obviously very old old stodgy in his thinking you know has his his own set of ethical style you know standards and then the monk thank meanwhile obviously has very little. He's very shady. He's very unscrupulous and he he's. He's has an agenda to disrupt the flow of history which obviously goes against everything the doctor learned on gala fray and the doctor is obviously works very hard to try to prevent that I think could also must be Louis given his. What would the doctor be like if you went bad coffee decided not to be as shall we say ethical and what he does in his time travelling at least at least that the audience of the time mine it could've been an idea of this is what could happen if the doctors went to the dark side as it were yeah and it does provide contrast which is great because it kind of shows that the doctor is that good try time traveler who's trying to play by the rules of time? He's not trying to to affect history. He's just he just wants to explore it and he's not out to change anything. He just wants to see it so therefore when the monk comes along obviously they have kind of a an ethical clash as it words and it makes for some interesting wresting viewing especially had to be very interesting to people in nineteen sixty five when the story aired that it brought a brought something new to to the table for the series in in a series that was still already just just barely getting off the ground this is this is still only season two when the story aired this is the ninth and final serial season two written by Dennis spooner who wrote such stories as the reign gene of terror or the Romans or the Daleks master-plan which is the other story that the monk appears in after this one so yes he does is get out of that exile eventually and it was directed by Douglas Canfield one of the original classic directors of the originals William Hartnell era and obviously stars William Hartnell is the first doctor Maureen O'Brien Vicki and we get Peter Purvis service as Steven Taylor who had just joined at the very end of the previous story that Shays which saw the departure of of ihnen Barbara and so essentially we have this is where we finally get the F- The next generation Tartus team you know we from the originals of the first Dr Susan in Barbara Susan obviously had left in the delegation of earth. in Barbara just left the previous story so the doctor is kind of now without the original crew and from here so we kind of get us. This is probably a very pivotal time where audiences were probably left wondering if they should kind of stick around with the series or not true because I think people forget attached to to of course at Union Barbara and they might have bit bereft after off of is in in fact left in the they might have been so all the speculation is how is how shoulder to go on from here Ron's case you know Susan left way before then but these are two very important characters like how you're going to replace them how dynamics strengthened change within the targets and and just moving on it's going to be as good as it was right and I think the story proves that yes this is this the new Tartus Team I think it works six I think Steven and Vicki work and we'll talk about them shortly and one of our topics but it's definitely do night a new dynamic Stephen a little more confrontational than e n provides a little bit of a contrast and he's got some m`Interesse Fund moments that we'll talk about where at first he's not quite sold on the idea that he's in a time machine has to be convinced that he's very much doubting dentist but but the interesting thing is I says what is suppose they had to put in Nova character ally Ian because caused doctor being more frail right. Maybe somebody to do the heavy lifting yeah you need. It invades the younger stronger male mail to to kind of balance off against you know you have an older gentleman and a and a young girl so so obviously they'd probably felt they needed at leading man type character in the show and Stephen fulfils that nicely but but thankfully he's not just is there to be the the white male hero he's he's got personality to him and even just muscle yeah and he and he's willing indicate trade barbs with a doctor he doesn't just roll over for everything the doctor says and that makes him interesting to me and like I said we'll talk about him more but guest cast obviously we've got we have Peter Butterworth as the monk and who doesn't appear again in till a few stories later with the the dog's master plan and then we have Elliott Charlton or Carlton Probably Carlton as has edith the Saxon wife in the story she was actually in the very first doctor who story she played a character named her h you are. I see what you did there writers you know one of the the cave women in that story and we head Ronald Rich as governor the giants and he played a character named transis in the mission and mission to the unknown which was like a single episode Prequel or prelude to the dog and the dog's master plan and then he was also oh believe it or not in the James Bond movie you only live twice as Ernst Avro blow felt bodyguard so nice Dr who connection there again again to James Bond and we had Norman Hartley who played Olf when one of the Vikings he turns up later in the Patrick Troughton story the invasion when one of my personal favorite stories of from the Trout Nara he plays a character named Sergeant Peters in that one so quite a coughs offs ready but you know his name interesting this show Mary you know references to James Bond. I think it might even few the fan theory that James James Bond is a time Lord's going on. I think you Kinda perpetuated that theory the last time you were here. If I'm doing found uh-huh oh by the way before we get started nick I wanted. I hope I hope it wasn't out of place by rocking my cigarettes or whisky and cigarettes show not shown how so there'd be looks great really appreciate your honor. I thought I'd wear the official shirt sort of whisky and cigarettes. Thank you very very much going to be. We're going to put you on billboards in such a reckon okay I. I hope it's not hope it's not wanted poster child. We'll see John Means to be seen all right. I guess after watch myself I'll watch my PS and QS all right it a little bit of Trivia before we get started episodes one three and four were missing from the BBC archives as a lot of fans no classic fans no now because of the BBC's purge and edited recordings of all four episodes were returned to the BBC in from of all places Nigeria in nineteen eighty five so somehow the the time meddler wound up in Nigeria and but thankfully uh everything's return so we have a complete story without any animation that kind of fill in the gaps we had complete fleet copies of episodes one in three where returned in nineteen ninety two and they're still though there's twelve seconds seconds missing from episode four and that is because there was some footage removed by sensors that depicted to vikings running going through Sword Building Saxons so essentially we had some vikings killing some saxons and the BBC..