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RHOBH: Theres No Place Like Rome With Taste Of Realitys Imani Craig
"China over place. This is Ashley Hoover Baker from the honesty entertainment podcast. Thank you for joining me for a another real housewives of Beverly Hills Bonus, episode featuring my colleague and new friend Imani Craig we worked together on the taste of reality team. We chat all the time online, but this was our first time sort of face to face via zoom. So this was Super Fun. We discuss would a terrible friend Lisa Rin is we fantasize about going to doce Gabon. Ferrari driving and going to a winery. And, of course, give our did they or didn't they regarding Brandi Glanville and Denise Richards? So without any further ado. Oh my God Hi Mommy I. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I feel like I've known you forever, and this is our first time like face to face. I feel the same way you're like missile sister new total kindred spirits. I'm so glad that even in this time of quarantine that thank goodness for technology at least. I know seriously. I'm so glad you're joining me for a Beverly Hills breakdown. Me To this is my first ever so on. So excited. Go Mommy I didn't know well welcome. It's just a key key and we're just talking about our girls from Beverly Hills? Yes. The best. Oh Gosh they're so good. So, this episode was there's no place like Rome and I love him the title perfect title for the episode. I agree. So it they started off with title car that said thirty minutes after dinner and that's all I need. I'm hub. If you give me a card telling me what time it is I'm invested. Yet anytime. They do like a montage. It's you are you know it's GonNa be good like there's going to be do. So it's going to be t and I'm here for it. It was it's delicious and we're finally getting what we've been waiting for all year all season. We see them after dinner after this. Horrible. Horrible accusation, the way it was brought up was horrible tatty. Just. Going to say. I've never liked teddy I just think she's like boring and not interesting and whatnot. But what she did last week to Denise Shitty it was it was I have so many strong feelings about it. I feel like she is stirring the pot so like Oh, I can't stand her I cannot stand her at all in the the worst part is it's like lease arena, of course, owns it but like she knows she stirring the pot and she doesn't like she's doing anything other than what she's doing. Teddy's intending to be this lake innocent person in like this victim link make feelings were hurt. Your feelings were hurt that doesn't give you the right to go ahead and make this accusation that if you're going to bring it up to denise, you should have pulled her aside done privately laboring the table that was disgusting. But I mean stunned setted basheer are you more? What are you upset about? Are you upset that denise doesn't like you or like what was your? What was your reasoning behind bringing this to the table and I think she was spot on with that I think she said it because she knew was going to get the group all riled up. So that's why she said it because she's offended because people don't like her because she's boring like Colorado spayed teddy. Exactly and I don't believe in I. Don't even think like in a right mind you know Teddy's pregnant and I've never been pregnant I don't know the hormone ask stuff she could have just been very emotional, but it doesn't make sense for somebody like Denise Richards who's publicly protected her children so much over the years for her to go and say something shitty about like Oh. But you've been living in your dad's footsteps the life that Denise has lived. I don't see her ever saying anything like that. That's a good point. 'cause denise has grown up sort of like in the public eye in obviously her kids have very public father and mother. So like I don't imagine you're right I don't I don't think she'd ever say that it just doesn't make sense and I think if teddy we're thinking clearly. I might be giving too much credit like claimed. Placing blame on pregnancy but I. I don't think she was in her right mind I think most of us would like, Hey, let's try to empathy is let's. Like a Brandi. Glanville slam more so than denise because I haven't really heard denise be via but like we all know brandy is known for like hitting you in the jugular like hurting you and that's something she'd probably would know teddy would be hurt by. So that's why she said it exactly brandy it. I'll never get over what she said about Joanna crew. Like. Why do I not know what she said? Okay. Apparently. I think it was Mohamed is in. Uganda. Had Deeds. Husbands with Bella and And You GD Dad. I'm pretty sure might not have been him but somebody told Brandy that Johanna KROUPA. Yes. Nine. Set It on TV. My Gosh that's petrifying like that's the worst. Good you can't go around. Me Who you are. You don't go around saying that even if it's now. The lowest of the low blows. Brandy Glanville. That's. You're right. You know what? If next season she spends around with the diamond like there's no low blow too low for me or something to that effect like she needs to play on that she does and then run a check for helping her come up with that. Exactly. What are your feelings on Sutton Her I. Think. She's a good voice. Of reason I wish we could have seen more of her be I know that like she was initially supposed to be a house within like when her ex husband was uncomfortable with showing her family which I guess I could respect but I think I like her I think I do what about you? I'm obsessed I've loved her since day one and a Lotta people ask taken awhile for grow on them but I just think she's perfect for Beverly Hills she's Not. In touch in a very amazing way to watch on television. Like just going to a dull chain `Gabon as you know the guy I don't even know his name to show that I'm so outta touch just going to his house I'm like can't relate can about even a little like these people are in her phone I'm like, yeah, I have she has multiple tr's for j `Gabon next like a yearly thing like. This is Beverly Hills is all about I. Agree like when I think of Beverly Hills, I wanna see like the Leeson banner pumps like these outrageous house lake who has a swan at their house these banner pump that's what I wanna see how amazing wasn't that Sutton brought. Boots. For every woman on the trip liquid you die. If you those boots I would die. I love good Love language. But like how like I feel I don't ever gets outside of like my birthday and that once someone does something I'd be like Oh my God and I was like I guess you're buying your friendship. That's fine. I love a good gift. Exactly and I just thought that was Kinda Shitty of debris that came out shady to me because I love the ease, the term love language because that's like Blake Sheena there are people that that's how they show their love and affection in at all in your love. That's your way of showing and I feel a deep was very intimidated by that boss. How're move made by? Tony's minute are threatened and I love I love that they're all just like so like jealous of Stockton's money in it just it's delicious. Were you do you think it was rude of Oursel- to ask sat in like point blank like how do get your money? I think it would be more rude to talk about it behind their back. I don't mind and I'd rather be asked, say I'm not going to answer that. People have the conversation behind my back in honestly I have the same question to because like again like I don't feel Bravo great job introducing her into like the group like I still have so many questions as to who sutton is you know? I feel the same way and a shame on Bravo for that because she doesn't have care the diamond for us to really have an understanding of who she is. Like leads on New York like love her she adds so much but it's like I am still so mystified as to who release is it doesn't make sense I. Don't get it. She's such a good addition like she really ruffles Ramona's by there. Isn't I just love to see it? Got More Ramona rough laying because she needs to get off that high war she's on she. Yeah hundred percent were you having like such a moment of jealousy when you realize that sutton pacts, those boots so she would have all that extra space going back to bring back all of her clothes from Italy. Honestly she's smart and we love we love it. Exactly, how her mind works my mind is always like how am I gonNa get this bitch under fifty pounds like I'm putting my letters on. I know that's why I try to fly southwest everywhere and if I can't I'm just like a Two bags makes a big difference. Huge difference down this is not easy to maintain and I'm going to need some stuff. You know what speaking of like maintaining think like I love to read for always bringing her Glam like I know sometimes she's like so extra and like over the top like I appreciate a moment like a fashion moment because that's not me. So I'm like. Good job during Eric could steal. A lie which think of Theresa I call it the Dogcatcher Chanel look. Don't hang loves. What did you think that tire? If I wore that. Oh. My Gosh. I would be committed I didn't bat an eyelash because I'm like street like right. Passion for making a statement I didn't care for that statement, but she's always just. So picturesquely, she really is just like the most aesthetically pleasing person she is she she's very contrived, but I like it. Exactly so what's what's your opinion? Do you think denise and Brandy hooked up like do you think that there's truth to the rumor? I am so conflicted on this like I was really trying to study denise's body language at the dinner table when Teddy I brought it up because she is an actress delight I was going to play that into inside. Are you acting right now or are you seriously bewildered? I. Think there some truth to it maybe I don't think it's inconceivable especially because denise seems to be very like sexually liberal if you will. and. We know brandy is so. and. I feel like errands kind of like with with life. So why he doesn't strike me as somebody well, maybe I don't know because he kind of has temper I. Don't know I maybe there's some validity to it but I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't at the same time Lavar you. Will Brandie Brandy showed that receipt a couple of weeks ago that blurry picture of Diaz like kissing early Kinda on the cheek was like the receipt that you've been like teasing us with. This is all you've got screw. You brought Brandi Glanville for making this fake story line a thing. Yeah, I. Agree. I think Brandy did it or I'm sorry I. Think if Denise didn't do it if she had nothing to hide I, think she would just be like, okay whatever say what you want like dig it up because there's nothing to find. That makes me think like either there's definitely something just tell the truth I don't think anybody cares that she would bring everybody cares like it. You're you're both grown adults obviously you both consent while I'm assuming they both would into. I, think Lisa Renna pegged it. I think you know obviously everybody knows Charlie Sheen is like super. I don't even need to handle it. Get. To be so bold Lami stigma scandalous in we know denise's kind of as well. Why scandalous? Very free and open, which is totally fine. I respected in first season. She was like Super Open honest and Mike talked about whatever and I think Lisa as kind of right in the fact that like she was like, Whoa like I'm coming off lake maybe not exactly High WanNa be portrayed resume needs that maybe there is some truth to it but. She doesn't want America like think of her as a quote unquote like bad mom lake. You do this with your kids around or something exactly. It was in. It's funny because they didn't focus on this on this episode and they haven't really brought it up since too much. But early early on in the season, there was a short little scene about. There being some sort of a legal issue that Charlie had brought upon denise. Mina will obviously now she's in a legal issue probably has to do with their children's says, she wants to be Super Conservative, this that and the. And, I feel for them and I think she's a great mom and I really admire that about her but you know like you have to think like he did sign onto be on a reality show being paid to do a job you can't just run out of parties every time you get uncomfortable. That's my problem with most of the housewives right now is like Nina left. So many times denise leads like I feel like there needs to be some sort of contract lake I mean obviously they're human being. So I can't even imagine like the stress in like my intimate details of my life coming out but I feel like there should be something like you can't. You cannot leave filming. This is your job literally signed up for this so you have to. Know. Bravo Bravo. Athlete meany closing that laptop. Out Reunion. I was just like enough Anini enough flay get over yourself. She's playing out at this point she needs to go and I logged for so long but she's just she just to mean I can't handle it. So we saw Lisa and denise have a one on one conversation. And Denise was pissed at Reina her friend of twenty years. Yelich. You knew this information for twenty four hours. Why didn't you tell way? Where do you stand? Are you team denise on that one or are you on team Lisa? Lisa's absolutely being a bad friend one, hundred percent I also don't know how it works with like filming and Bravo. So I don't know if like like because like I've ended a day like I have to stop and think like, okay, this is a TV show. So there needs to be some sort of drama can't you know can't be so blase blase. So I understand why we didn't may be for like the drama factor like if I tell you, you might not have those big of a reaction or something but I also think the fact that denise came in as Lisa's friend like she should have her back regardless in an address behind closed doors because me I'm the kind of friend that like. Even. If I WANNA, make sure like my friend is good or like everyone in the group is good and like it's it's comfortable because not being comfortable when you don't know people as the worst. I feel like she should have went to bat fridge knees in like been lagging know what? Denise's my friend I believe her, and then even if you have reservations talk about behind closed doors or just don't talk about it right and she could have I feel like there was like a middle point that leasing didn't take. She could have on camera texted denise or like put like a voice message like denise, you're talking about this. I wanted give you the heads up. We'd be somebody might mention it later in like still had it on TV but at least bring her that information privately to give her a little time to. Be Ready in. Not. React the way that she did. So again, team denise but also like team I'm here to watch a TV show and yeah yeah we will. Disappointed me she's a shitty friend. She's a she's a really bad friend except unless you're Kyle I. Guess we can. Okay. So I'm so conflicted I like Kyle. Richards I just. I, which is a mean girl and I feel like she's Queen Bee but I like her as a person like I feel like I would be friends with her like outside of Bravo just because like. She's A. Quote Unquote Girls Girl nominee TV maybe, but like she seems like a good person, but I feel like on Bravo, she's just like very mean girl and I do not like her and teddy together. Teddy should not be on the show why Teddy is her side kick in not her amazingly perfect sister Kim Richards I. Have. No idea. I love birds on her own. I could care less about Kyle Richards. In the mix and I am invested one hundred percent kyle is crazy with her sister Oh. Yeah. They're they're really good together. That's what the shows missy and honestly this whole drama doesn't make sense. The fact that is in the situation this entire thing should be Kim. Teddy Teddy's should not even be on this show. But my question are you meaning like? In terms of them, being like sidekicks and stuff. I think like I don't think said Teddy's good cast member in the first place but. Kentucky's get. Kyle's going to have a side kick. I'd rather be her sister especially since her sister is the one that is privy to this information. Exactly. Yeah. But then to going circling back to whether or not like there's any validity to the denise embrace anything I mean Kim was like really going to bat for for Brandy but at the same time, like that's our girl. So obviously she would but I don't I just don't know what to believe I. Really don't. But I, still feel like the drama right now is still surrounding whether or not they hooked up or not and not what she said about the ladies. Exactly exactly because really what does it matter what she said about the ladies like they all talk about each other behind their crackly it doesn't add. With. As a married woman. Yeah. I feel like that's what the drama is. They're like saying it's not because they WANNA BE PC, but it's like. What's the problem like? What is the problem here? Who Cares if they or didn't why does it affect you? And that's my thing with the show like they're so invested in these things it's like. Really, really. It's more about the gossip of the hookup rather than the actual hookup. If anything like Oh, my God is she going to get a divorce has been going to be pissed is he a? Or is this good? Affect the lawsuit with Charlie Sheen? Those are the things I want to kind of focus on and they kinda just in and out of those type of things. I Love This I. Love the next day when they have the choice of what activity they're gonNA. They're GONNA go to the to ride the ride like a merry go round. Drive the Ferraris and then go to the wine tasting or do the private shopping at Dolgin. Grandma you money. If you were presented those two options while you were visiting Rome what would you do? Well I don't think I've ever even seen him Ferrari in person maybe I, have I don't know I'm not a car person but I think I would have done. The. Winery in Ferrari just because like I can go inside of any high end store especially since I don't have the choline leg by I've just be sitting there but I love me some white wine so I would probably do that. That seems so much more fun than my questions. Similar related. They were two groups of women obviously would you rather hang out with Carcelle Erica Denise Lisa or would you rather hang out with Kyle Sutton and? Tariq's. That's not a question. Okay. So I'm also conflicted on Erica this season because I feel like she's kind of being mean as well. But I really like, Erica, like I really like her I think so I, I would want to hang out with her in general because she's seem so cool to me. I stand Erica Jane I just think she seems so awesome. Did you read her book by Chance I finished it? Yeah I did it made me Laker even more. Me Too. I really. Like her story her son is so high and I know he's single. Her son cat it lakes. I'm putting it out there. He's hot. So powers that be. Oh yes. Piece demanding in uniform sign me up could you imagine having Erica Jane as Your mother-in-law in? That's the other layer to it. I would absolutely love it. Imagine how much she would elevate you. Just imagine it. Oh, dislike can I just hang out with you and Mikey and you're Glam team correctly can you show me how to pat the plus like I wanna learn it all him. I like your outfit well a bit like can I look at your snout in Split like back so cool to me in like I was more confident with your son I'm sure. I just love and I enjoyed her this season like seeing her at shakers at the very beginning of the season layer hearing that side of her and seeing how she got her start like I. Really appreciated that about her. And like she's more relatable than Duri 'cause like I don't did to read come for money I don't remember I don't understand I. Don't know if she even has money. Now I, understand at all lake. Her I don't I don't get it, but it's interesting. Everything about her is interesting but does it make sense? We're we're living money. I live in Florida Oh, you do. Okay. So you're an east coaster Iran. So do you guys have Buca Di Beppo in? Florida. We don't at least not where I live. Have you been to book about bowery familiar with the style of restaurant? I, not is it kind of like Olive Garden? I would say it's all of Garden but family styles though instead of like own dish you order like if we had a table of like five people, we would order like maybe two or three things. These coarser or which share The hilarity of a chain restaurant to reap buying one room of one restaurant of a chain like the whole thing is so bizarre and just believing. It's just more mystery of Derek for me. Yeah I don't get it. PK peak high is terrible. Peak having I'm sorry I. We shouldn't judge people by their partners, but like she chose him and picked him and lives with him and loves him like ill, what do you love about it here I know it's so can the whole thing is confusing I think Erica jeans I was like, I'm riddle in A. What was her tagline like I'm a Moment. Riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in cash. That's. Like I don't get it like. I was so intrigued by and she's interesting Jan.. frigging son. I shouldn't say freaking sunny soak use. Her kids are adorable. No there. So freaking in, you know what? They all have really attractive kids. I will say that Lisa's Lisa Reynoso daughters annoy me but they're obviously gorgeous and Kyle's daughters are stunning. Oh my gosh. Win The one. I think it was Alexia who went to lease arenas house of you on the. So to go to help down, one of her daughters are mixed up all the time really apartment a meal nearly I think I would look at her this boss. Did she oh, she knowingly gather she's smart she was talking. Shit. Yeah. Kyle did a good job with her girl that will say, absolutely yeah. No matter how you feel about Kyle. I feel like she's a great mom and. Like, you can tell there's a lot of love. Do you know anything like have you heard about this rumors that Marie CEOS been cheating? I I only heard about it on the show I hadn't heard about it like like just like in tabloids or anything like not I the thing is I I wouldn't put it past mercy alike to me he's been. I have different view of him in the later seasons like he just seems. Very Cardi Guy. Guy and he's I don't know he just. He's been rubbing me the wrong way lately. I. I was so turned on by him the other day a few weeks ago when he fixed pool thing like the fact that active and can fix things is very sexy to me I was like Oh. Murray You our hot. He sees unbelievably hot. Yeah I. Go back and forth with them I like that he's been getting high all season in seeing like sitting around and just like eating and being baked is pretty funny. But now I'm just over Kyle. Honestly Goodbye Kyle that's just kind of wary you went on a gun. Because it looks like my guess is that with is it Kendra? Wilkinson the girl who was on a the playboy bunny show yeah. Yeah. Kendra Wilkinson She was just hired by Murray CEOS the agency as their new real estate agent and I'm scared that this is going to be a story line for next year like Oh rob. Andrew around now main highest threatened because it's beautiful blonde, very threatening and intimidating. Yet I'm Kinda scared that that's where this is going but I hope not I really do. I don't need that being a main storyline. There's so many other things I'd rather watch like let me just watch parceled ball put cameras on our cell. We Watch that Yeah Garcia was a good addition to it and I like the diversity they're trying to. I'm I'm easier. Lebron ever I. Now that's a whole other conversation. Really is I mean honestly the shows on ten years and it's like there are black people in Beverly. Hills just say bigger not I mean kids just ridiculous. it. When we saw this was funny to me when the girls were shopping, it was sutton degree in Kyle and they said. We have a section of a selection for Sautin. Were you just dying seeing how Jealous Kyle and Derek were? They were green. It was delicious. I. Love Now. That I think in who they want to be. Exactly. Like one hundred percent like she just exudes class. In Wealth and not necessarily even in the money but like they're just such an air about her that like you can't buy, you just have to kind of have it in they don't she has a different level of class even though she can be tacky at times that we do not mention that at the dinner table Yes she got all kinds of lakes southern on that and I was just like, yes, girl. And I think that is such a I think maybe it is the fact that she did grow up in the south versus being a West coaster maybe. I don't know I. Agree I definitely think that's part of it. What about sons panic attack in the fitting room relatable. That's me every morning. We have been. This is. Why I love Sutton the fact that she's weeping in a private manning room with only the staff in her personal friends because she's not `Gabon a weeping because she doesn't want to. She doesn't feel good and she doesn't want to show her clothes off like I just do not comfortable and I just love her so much for it at. Yeah. She's great and I loved her at the table and she was like. Pounds Lake. And I'm like, that's something I would say like I get her exactly and then she will raise your hand if you. Raise your hand if you like feeling uncomfortable in your clothes. Yeah I thought. So like she called them again, nobody wants to feel that way. The wine tasting. Denise and I love Denise. But this woman's Palette makes me insane like I got anything. In like garlic if I could like I usually garlic in every single thing I make I'm not exaggerating I genuinely use garlic in every single thing I make it's just a great addition to a food. It really adds just something special I think I don't get it. Well, done, salmon are you kidding me what does that mean? league salmon supposed to be like, say like one, hundred, twenty degrees thereby cooking like two hundred where it's like leather like almost like salmon jerky like it's. That's very bizarre to order a fish well, done is very bizarre. I've never in my life that four. God carcelle the perfect addition there add the wine tasting and Garcia brings up. You know like, wow, last night was shocking. I wasn't expecting that all the women start talking the gossip starts the drama starts and then Garcia takes a sip of wine says. That's delicious. So the Women Are Gossiping and she just says that's delicious on my girl. Yes. I. Feel You. I now. I feel like if I were to be on the house while is kind of be guard sal like I really feel like I would. I she's just nice. The Nice person an honest and she's a good friend she she knows I don't know of her denise have. A strong background as friends but I love that she has her back in it might be because they're both newbies if you will. But I really appreciate that she liked has denise's back in someone's advocating for her because she needs it. I just I'm not about that whole culture of Beverly Hills where they lake target person in like literally kick them while they're down there's always somebody out of the group in eight that. I know I. It's. It's always everybody against one without a doubt. So going back to last season just because what do you? What do you think of puppy gate? I knew everyone so over it but like what do you think? What do you think actually happened? Really, totally honest with you. This has never happened to me I quit Beverly Hills in the middle of last season. Maybe, not that but I that's how that's the only way I know how to protest the shows like a to not give them my view worship and it was just so bad in a hated that storyline so much from what I saw the whole problem was to reach should have just given the damn dog back where she got it instead. Friend in if she would have just gone by the protocol none of it been. Yeah Yeah I don't know I mean the whole thing of like who hired somebody ragged story was Lisa was at least percent at least tell the person to put the story out in all of this that and the other, and I'm just like really this lasted the entire season. It was terrible. It was a it was honestly I think the worst housewives season of all time. Yeah that's fair and I can't believe like Kyle and Lisa, stopped being friends over it. There's been some friendship breakup on the housewives over the years that was very upsetting to me, carolee. I don't think I'll ever get over that French. Yeah I. Just I can't handle some of these friendship breakups in Kyle in this was really ugly. Yeah in they had they had so much history and like I know that Lisa is like a a massive manipulator in I. Don't discount that she probably told brandy what to do when to say, and maybe kyle was under her influence at times a couple times in Kyle got over it by that was really hard I. I hated that they went through that I hope they can find their way back to each other at some point I do too I do too and even though I, don't think Lisa's needed on beverly. Hills is Jerry fine without her she definitely brought something and. I do miss her but I don't think this show needs her to be good I agree with that I agree. Where do you stand on the air and issue Denise bringing air at around? He's had issues with all of the ladies. Have your. Have you changed your opinion on Erin from last season two this season at all. To be honest I never really pay the husband's any mind unless he's like Apollo he's like in the story line break. That was a ride with Apollo and I think Aaron is weird like he genuinely freaks me out lake. He's weird like when when he gave Kyle that stacked upon her under her better whatever I be like, where do you want me to do with this? What is this? It's very bizarre like Winnie. He had denise's hand in some like heater that was going to like kill diseases or something I was just like. He i. Yeah that mindset that weird like health thing like. Alien It's confusing in Ben I didn't appreciate how he was like I'm GonNa Crush your hand to denise like that seemed extremely misplaced his anger I, think as a wife if I was denise I one hundred percent stop talking just stop Mike Stop. You're already hated letty grow might get where he was coming from relate he was very aggressive and I definitely you know that that was a little uncomfortable right but she just had on bringing him around and I'm like, what do you expect to happen like if you keep on bringing them to these functions like what end result do you think you're gonNA get. Yeah I mean, that's there. But maybe she was just doing it for like one person to have her back and that I totally get like I wouldn't want to go in there. But like and that makes me think like does she not have any other girlfriends lake was they're not like a friend she could said like or Yeah, like I would've rather than bringing my husband I would call one of my friends and then like a nice dream with partly please Lord come with me Yeah I don't fault her from wanting backup, but you're right. It does get messy when the husbands get involved. Let's Circle Tactic Emily Simpson her husband in breaking Kelly Oh God what there's so many the in he is a work he is I don't like him at all. Emily is way too good for him to way good and she passed the bar and he didn't. So exactly exactly. So I think ourselves such queen she's gorgeous. Obviously I've just obsessed over every look that she served this season Oh. So good her outfits. This episode were in my opinion were just misses like I hated the one the pink hats suits are hated that you reminded me of every miss you know that movie, a Christmas story. Win The kid gets the pink bunny sue in yet come downstairs in his Dagley now go take. It reminded me of the pink bunny suit. Yeah. I didn't like it and I also didn't like her hair this episode like I just didn't I just didn't like her whole vibe. Yeah, and then for the dinner, honestly she looked like the housekeepers on the Las Vegas Strip like the housekeepers have like a very. Generally? Similar? Unit? Uniform. Outfit. Look like a hotel like housekeeper staff with like a big bow on it. I don't know what the hell her Italian fashion is, but it is amiss. Maybe she was really working at I don't know. And you know why she's one of those people like shields degree she mazing. But it was like girl like any shows Carcelle, is truly a diva icon goddess. Could make anything work. But yeah, those were some questionable choices I wouldn't I wouldn't know but. No no no. No. So the group gathers for dinner and Denise War address. Just. So Beautiful Lake mcmuffin chic. Oh my gosh, I think Denise Richards is one of the prettiest people I think she has such a unique look about her. I can't put my finger on it but I think she's gorgeous I love that she looks exactly like Denise Richards just a little older like she doesn't get to have a ton of work done like maybe something but. Hasn't changed her look. Her now it's like Oh look it's Denise Richards. That's the girl from wild things. That's the girl from. XYZ. Yeah Looks extremely different Duri different person drinks a different person from earlier in the season. Here not wrong. No. The only person with four faces Khloe Kardashian oh. My goodness, Khloe. That's So. Many. So many thoughts. Oh my gosh I am not a big her dashing person. I don't follow them that much. But every time I see chloe I'm that's not Khloe that's not Khloe. It can't be how is that? The same person I used to be I think Kardashians was my gateway into reality TV your gateway. Yeah I, wouldn't say that was like the first reality that ever watched and I remember the day. I. Discovered it nothing groundbreaking happened that day I just remember the first day that I was like flipping through the TV and I just. Watched it I haven't watched a while 'cause. I'm kind of over the Kardashians. I don't know if it's just me but I feel like the the world's kind of is to just celebrity pop culture in general like. Quarantine has been showing. You know people's true colors like the like influence for life and whatnot I don't now I feel the same way, and then of course, the resurgence of black lives matter and. I think just mentally where we all are implants just There's so much freaking fighting in this world. Last thing I want to do is watch fighting on. TV screen whereas the have always watched four. But now rather than watching Lisa Renchik picket denise, Richards Mind mentality now, I'd rather watch ourselves stick up for her fred. Yeah I agree with you bear at a certain point. It's just like, okay enough is enough with whatever petty finger fighting over just have a good time, but I guess that'd be boring. Unfortunately but that's the thing it's like reality TV and I mean I know like we both worked for taste of reality DOT COM lake. Part of our livelihood is reality TV in our reflecting audit like. Really. Problematic aspect of society I it is like I was really thinking about that too the other day actually. I don't know what their resolve this point though because it's Almost like you can't have one without the other. I think we're going to start seeing more well-behaved, nicer more respectful housewives and we'll get drama from different sources like I don't know what's GonNa look like but I think just them picking at each other over ridiculous things like I think that's going to be a thing of the past moving forward. Yeah. I hope kyle getting upset because Denise hasn't ice sculpture seriously or showing up late Glam. What does it matter like I feel it kyle picking on stupid stuff like what does it matter? It doesn't it doesn't all those things. It's just like in especially just in the world right now people are getting laid off the homeless. High. And we're talking about a damn ice sculpture at a birthday are like get him niece wears thick black boots doesn't mean she can't have an ice sculpture. Exactly. Off Dot it's. But that that's the. Very this is just a beverly hills thing. So focused on appearances. The everything is about like the outside layer shell and that's what they judge on not so much what's inside, but it's a study life in. Beverly Hills in that's. Yeah I mean, you're Meka. Because I think the only time they really talk about the outside appearance was when Barbara was around Ramona hated her outfits, which will God okay. Fair and Llewellyn were addressed that Bethany was like looks like you got that at Ross which I didn't like the dressier. But other than that. They don't focus on like what you wear break. Exactly. I was just leave Ross out of it I like to dress for less than you stop your nonsense Yeah. I have many good dress from Ross. Not Ron. Ross is like my favorite place like Senator Rosza marshals any day McGraw whether or not I need anything like I could literally spend three hours in those stores. Every day of my life is locking up and down it's my happy place next to target God I love target I. Know There's something to be said about waking up going to get like a starbucks coffee and just like being in target they save Disneyworld Blake spray something in the air to make you feel comfortable I feel like I really feel like target does the same thing. is so comforting Gosh it really is I didn't know they sprayed something at Disneyland, but that makes total sense. It's a myth they say like when you walk into magic kingdom on like mainstreamed or whatever it's called daily have something in the air that makes you feel very comfortable in they spray food aroma in the air as well. I don't know if it's true. I'm a like a little conspiracy theorist so I don't know, but it makes sense who will have to mention this since we're talking about Beverly Hills and anytime I have the opportunity to mention do you know about lowest renna lease arenas mom? Now. Oh. My God. I am so lucky that I get to share this with you. I believe Nineteen sixty-nine, her car broke down. This is like right out of a horror movie. Or she saw somebody I, forget exactly how it went. But she saw somebody on the side of the road and she worked with the guy says, she got in the car with a hammer. He got in the car with her whatever the case may be. He took her out and was going to murder her he's known and she knows he was a colleague of hers. He is known as long the trail, the trail hunter trailblazer killer something like that. He's multiple people if he tried to kill. Her tried to rape her he had a knife tried to rape lowest Renna tried to kill her and she actually escaped in because of her Higa Earth. Yeah. Because of her he got arrested, he ended up getting caught that night. Okay. So many questions number one did she know he was a murderer before she got in the car she just known as guy from work like they hang together. So she had no problem getting in the car with unlike Allah, the Guy Works with me it's all good. Okay. So she okay. how did you hear about this I'm like generally shocked it. It's been like kind low key in the news here and there, but I'm like pretty involved in the crime community. Is a legend Ben She's a legend she got from a murderer. That's that's my biggest fear that frightens me. What did you think Doritos late of core she's thinking everybody worried wait for her Glam. Yeah. I always pissed what did you think of Doritos look? Was it worth the wait? No I don't like it i. mean it was it wasn't. It wasn't my favorite I think our cell even said, it was not worth the wait I agree, I think it was all that great and I think I think she serves in I. Love Her looks. But this one was a disappointment I was I was disappointed I wasn't really feeling it and I also wasn't feeling Erica's either it was kind of similar but not as intricate but I wasn't feeling it I thought Erika's boobs look so good in that dress they pillows like wanted to rest. We take a Ma'am Nice nap on those breasts I just wanted to touch them I just wanted to like I agree with you. They look so soft review. The company did so pretty in that dress like her boobs were beautiful. Erica is gorgeous like add the fact that she's in her forties insane. It's ridiculous insane. She's so pretty. In I actually just finished it like like. Last month because I had just gotten it. In a in her pictures like the insert in the book she so naturally pretty. Even when she was like in her twenties and stuff, I'm just looking at these pictures and I'm like, oh my gosh, like she's like beautiful from the beginning love her yeah. She's the whole package. She really is one hundred percent. Let's talk about we were talking about lowest rate just a second ago. At this point. Lisa's talking about her mom and she talks about how she She talks about her instagram dancing videos and how she Get in her Bra and underwear dance in front of the instagram followers and then she says, her mom did a dancing video was like, can you believe my mom got five hundred thousand lights? Cut to a confessional of Gar Sal. Garcia. I love her videos I love that shares a confidence. But if I had a daughter with body issues, I would probably not do that. How did you react to Dr Sell? That took me by surprise because I didn't even have that I don't feel that way about her watching videos It's hard because I wasn't raised in Beverly Hills Mindset Lake if I'm putting on like a lot of weight like my mom be like okay Mani. League we're going to start exercising together. You know she'll come at it like that. So I was In the mindset of lake vanity like being super skinny and like a model that's my career. So I didn't I don't like if my mom would let lisa run I wouldn't feel like. You wouldn't feel some type of way about it, but I wasn't raised in. California where like being skinny like bats, the standard of beauty I'm so but I was still taking a bag ourselves comment because my mind didn't even think about it in that way. So in also fell I feel like it's going to have an issue with that when it comes time for their union like I feel like she'll definitely don't talk about my kids. Then I'm GONNA be like but Jolla hypocrites because you're talked about can we talk about Erica was like come on I'm sure your daughters already having threesomes come on. I Love Erica but that was too far. Was a low I just get so annoyed in like it really triggers me because I'm like. Just, because denise is a wild child, if you will does not mean she is like that with children because by that comparison mercy was high twenty, four seven is he smoking with Porsche No? So, then why are why are we not holding that same standard? She can be she can walk around naked twenty, four seven in the with the ripple ladies and that's fine. But that doesn't mean she's like that with her kids. So I don't understand why the their dad's Charlie Sheen. So we can be we can talk about whatever we want in front of them. No, that's not cool there. It does not they do not intersect. Like what child wants to hear about their parents sex life nobody it's disgusting it's gross. It's it's IT'S I don't like to yeah I don't WanNa hear about cheaper in. An added layer to that is like okay. So even if denise was very open with her children, they talked about whatever when. They have their friends around. That's completely different like everyone put on their best behavior when they have like their kids friend around because like you know you don't want them not to be coming around you or whatever. Exactly like how horrifying would it be if lake? Fran goes home and tells their parent like Oh and I was you know my friend Sammy's house her mom was talking about threesomes with their friends and now the parents are talking about that. Now, you're the talk of all your kids. Parents like you're. The hub of all their it's terrible in the fact that none of those women were like. Recognizing that is ridiculous. They just kept holding onto the pitcher Denise Richards. You don't care about anything their DAD's Charlie Sheen in the he had prostitutes around okay and what does that have to do with her children being around? Exactly, did you see in the news this week it was released that Denise Richards signed four year contract and got four million dollars. For Housewives. Sorry. Oh Which makes me think all this. Once I heard that it was like this is why they're all targeting Denise 'cause they're jealous 'cause she's the one that was also in the article that she gets paid more than any other housewives of any franchise ever more than Bethany more. Get more than anybody. So I'm like this is why they're hating on her because she makes more than them and she's leaving early all the time this that link registered exactly. What it did I think you I think you nailed it but why does she get so much more? Is it because she's more established I guess and maybe just because she is a tabloid queen like I, mean everything that they goes on this show is what she's been her entire life since she was like early twenties like I feel like she's like exactly what they want a housewife to be. Griselle is just as. Famous I would say is maybe not quite as mainstream famous as denise but she's right up there now. I mean I she's famous to me because like I grew up in like an African American household. So it's like she's been in a lot of things that like I grew up watching still at Garcia was very identifiable for me but like everybody knows Denise Richards is Her name like. Maybe most Americans would now who she is absolutely absolutely happy. She's everything so. The end of the episode was this last segment really again, as Denise Stan is somebody who's been like denise cheerleader all season. Tough. This last scene is last like five minutes. This is denise drops. The bombshell will I did talk to brandy which counteracts her story from earlier and she's thinking she says, she sleeps with every. She slept with every woman. She's adver met like she comes out with this hyperbole she slept with you every woman she's met her entire life and then says, she's even said she slept with some of you. Was In the midst of thing you've ever seen. I know. It was. It was I think she was just staying that to prove a point like you can't believe what she says but like she completely missed the mark like. Now. Her is totally not made. I think I mean I think she hundred percent did talk crap I think. When she did the podcast with Brandy I'm sure the ladies came up and I'm sure Kim Richards probably tells brainy lot alive stuff through kyle. So I'm sure that part is true like Brandon Jessup about you guys I felt comfortable saying back. but. That grab at the end it was really sad like A. Girl you're really working here. We're we're seeing new try stop triumphal hard honestly. I thought this affair was been a real thing like I don't doubt the affair happened. But that that reaction just proved I was like if the facial reaction when it was brought up like all the signs and I'm like, yeah, I think. So yeah, I think. So now like it happened had here because otherwise she would have never came out with that. Do you. Think it's an affair though. I. Don't feel like Aaron would be mad. I don't know if he wasn't there may be like, maybe I don't know if they have an arrangement or something but like. Maybe, if it was something that he was involved in, he'd be happy. Like effect that it happened without him I make upset. I don't know. Hot So. Weird Oh. Gosh. Hollywood problems. I'm like I am so boring like I am so boring and Vanilla. They I really am like I'm dislike. If I was on the show Curate some drama, which is what they do. 'cause oh my I have nothing exciting. I would be scared that I'd be like teddy that I'd just be like so pathetically out of my league because I really don't drama like I like on my tv but that's it like I'm scared I'd like end up like teddy whose is like so boring and then once like like I get the fire under my buddy like I'm GonNa do something that just backfire and be so bad Here in I would cry in I'm like extremely sensitive will number one, I hate confrontation and number two I think everyone hates me all the time. So that would not gold. Welford me. Your loveliest person and so sweet and kind in it makes me sad that your mind goes there Omega my Gosh. I'm going to record that in plate every night before I go to bed please do lake duly yourself that mantra write it down do we need to do but mine sat switch I'm so I'm so sensitive am I would actually kind of put it on anxiety I have been dieties spoiler alert I wonder how I would be like a reality show or a situation like that. 'cause like I don't like confrontation but I also like I can't stand bs either. So like at the dinner table I would have a hundred percent like spoken up and I I just sit there and eat and I'm like are you kidding me like I'm over here on my bed just like piss fuming. Shaking and rocking. I like my I just want to go to reunion when like they're bringing stuff up I wanna be like in energy sector like I just want to say things when they're being asked yeah. I think we only have two more episodes of Beverly Hills laughed. Really season as all most over where do you see the rest of the season going Nowhere. I. Feel like we're still going to dance around it I don't think there's to be any resolve. I don't think. So we don't think we're ever going to know like I. Don't think we're ever going to have like this happened with Brandon Denise or it didn't happen I think it's just gonNa be like kind of one of those things up in the air that we just always wonder about. I saw something posted on instagram today it was talking about the reunion like one of those like insiders about like the drama that goes on in apparently denise is like rained-out by Lisa arena and Erica Girardi. Yeah they're saying like Lisa arena was like attacking denise in Erica have like her moment to go at her in cell was also like under fire. Why, wow yeah that's what I read. So who knows his true but hinder staying We'll yeah, it's. It's funny when you can never trust the edit when that first episode I did not play on covering Beverly Hills this season especially since last season I quit mid season like I was definitely not. The first episode was so good and then the second episode was so good. I'm GONNA WANNA. Talk about this. I'm going to start covering and here we are just a few episodes left in. There's been some great high points but overall it's been another lackluster season for me. It's been it was better than last but it's not. The Brandy drama what? What is there? There was nothing there was nothing nothing. There was no drama like there was nothing going on this season except for that and parties, but it was cool to see like the former housewives come back for Kyle's party that was Kinda. Cool to see them all in one space. But even that was anticlimactic like it was a nice reunion and I love seeing them but it was like I even feel like there was any good setup from that episode like moving on and it was just like, okay this was an episode. It could have just been an episode it didn't drive any storyline didn't wrapping your forgive me things started but I wasn't mad at Lake. I'm always excited I lean Davidson like bring her back I Miss Eileen. Lean I like Camille I do. That's a bold statement. I don't dislike Camille. I think she makes great television but she's such a mess that that's why we love her. Yeah in when I say like communal I, mean I like Toronto because she riles everybody up to and I really appreciate that right It's so boring but then like to the point earlier than like they're all they all hate Camille. So it's all a ganging up on person exactly alliance like normal housewives like can they can there be teams pleased that cannot be everybody against one. It's not fun. I feel the same way like we need at least a couple of people on everybody's team because this isn't fair like I don't like seeing that that's aggressive in unwelcomed. HITS BEING PEOPLE PILOT I don't pry on the housewives. Usually, I think surrounding like real our New Jersey I cried a couple of times like in regards to like Theresa's. Because like her children crying was so sad omega. I'll cry like when on Orange County last even when day didn't like Bronwyn for a second in, they were all going out on top of that bus in La although. He went in walked a couple of seats in front of them and started bawling. I was like that's so sad. For her I know saying because you're the new person on the block, it's so intimidating all these people have been on for so long and they're all coming at you I can't even imagine like the mental of that. I. Couldn't I couldn't. I would not be able to deal with that absolutely not and then being trapped or on a bus on a high top buzz like what are you gonNA. Deal like in. A few seats up. And still don't have privacy. Exactly like my heart broke for her but at least in Orange County like there's like. Teams if you will to sound like like survivor or something, but it's true though. Honestly yeah, it is survivor. You're absolutely right. Oh, wow. That's kind of funny to think about it that way while they should live survivor and put like a housewife from each franchise on an island together and see what the hell happens. I. Think they could do something fun with it like did you ever watch girls club back in the day on oxygen? No. Okay. You're you're smart for that. But they would they would do like different spinoffs with like the people in the house. So like I think in Bravo if you do this, include me in some capacity, they need to do like a big brother with the housewives. They can do spin like that with some Austar housewives from like each franchise like two from each franchise that would be everything. I would love that so much like I feel like isn't especially in these days of quarantine when we're having to like reconsider content and just be inventive and think of like, okay we can't go out and do this like we used to like. Let's figure out at like if you took like. A handful of housewives a couple from each franchise giving me Jacobin test put them in a house together for a month and see what happens lake barrel. It'll be you can do like I. Don't know anything I tournament on an island or something like competition I don't know but like just do like housewives stars disfigured out that would be such good TV oh. My God housewife stars that needs to happen like you need to sell that idea to Bravo. Me Get on the Horn Andy, we've got an idea for you. I know seriously from your mouth to Bravo. Daddy's Andy Cohen's ears. I think it should happen. Well money is there anything else about Beverly Hills that you'd like to chat about that? We missed out on. I know I think you pretty much covered it i. think the ladies are annoying for bashing denise on how she chooses to live her fun life. Can't stand teddy. She's boring Love Erica Jane. Yes. Yes. Yes. tell everybody where they can find you unsocial. Okay. So my personal is at Kamani Taylor. On instagram and I'm also on piece of reality on social. So those of you who follow me on on the sentiment payment, of course, I am a part of the taste of reality team and Imani is one of our amazing writers you helps us with US Social Media and girl Dude I love taste of reality instagram page. It's always so good. You have lake you really played a lot of work into it really shows. Thank you and it's it's intimidating because there are so many amazing Bravo just reality TV instagram's and like social media sound dislike. But it's so much fun because like not many people might personal life are into reality. TV. So it's like this great space kind of just like fan girl about Bravo. So great I love it I feel the same way you know it's funny had that I live with Air Martin yesterday. Yeah and it was telling her I don't have anybody to talk to you about this stuff with. None of my real life friends watch these shows or not invested like I. So I can't have these conversations with my real life friends. So the Internet is an amazing thing I- hundred degree known in my personal life. We talk about like Friday night lights or like one tree hill about when I'm watching and like we talked about that. But like reality TV talking not just to myself here. Always got me. I'm always down at a reality show key K I was watching you and Erin. On the Edgy live and I was watching you and. You guys are so funny. You're so sweet. Yeah. My is dying. On a both of those women just absolutely kill me owner so good both of them so good. Oh. Oh. My Gosh. Ceiling people are always like. I saw Countess Louis on like one of the post he made on taste of reality the other day I'm like Oh my God I would die I would die in. The day that I died was I was posting. A reaction or like side by side of Khloe crashing did entire Denim look in it was very odd Brittany in jt. Yes yeah. In so I was like. Who did a better inside put it side by side I, put my phone down I picked it up I saw Kardashian like your tweet arming your your picture and I'm always like fake people like. Really. So I Lake Lake in it was actually Khloe in like I'm not a massive Kardashian fan but like they're so inundated on social media in like Bay are social media and away from like. What could we ask you? Are you kidding me? My Gosh. That's like the hierarchy of reality TV that is high fat. Yeah. So I was pretty dead in. It's so cool because like whenever you do get interactions from people, you watch on TV it's like this is so cool. Why am I freaking out about this but I am so true. It's so true. I just Dale lease mom like something that I posted not too long ago and I'm like, I'm freaking out over Tinsley mom liking my post but. People. Are So important and I'm like, why do love Timmy's mom I mean Dale is an icon in her own right? Well. Thank you so much for joining me. 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Mishmash Mashup (ep. 69)
"A content warning before we begin. Today's episode is not explicit but only just you might wanna listen to it first before you play it for the kids. In nineteen Eighty-four while preparing for a scheduled radio address from his vacation home in California, president Ronald Reagan announced by Bill American, I'm pleased to tell you the day that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing and five minutes. It didn't go out over the air, but someone had it on tape and slipped it out to the world. Even in the pre internet days, the Soviet Union heard it. And they responded. My name's moxy. And this is your brain on facts. We're staying slightly off format again this week, I'm still dealing with some health issues, though, the recent surgery, went textbook, apparently, and then the other day because I was feeling. Okay. I overdid it in the yard and re injured my back so to break up my workload into smaller pieces rather than doing one long deep dive into a single topic. We're going to get smaller topics, presenting what may or may not be the I know, sporadic series mishmash, mash up, and it's pronounced mishmash, because it's hit each like Groucho, Marx sternly told a congressman on the campaign trail when he was a guest on Groucho show. You bet your life. You'll never get the vote in the Bronx. If you go around saying, things like mishmash, so let's start this mental appetizer platter with great moments in forgetting, your mic was on arguably the best example, is Reagan's joking. Threat against are heavily armed Cold War adversaries, he was making a joke during a soundcheck. So the engineers could test the levels on his mic. None of the sources. I looked at identified the leaker. But five will get you ten it was one of those guys, the clip took about two months to make its way around the world. A coded message was sent out from the eastern Russian city of lead Vostok saying in part we now embark on military action against the US forces. A special command unit in new Serse went on high alert u s and Japanese intelligence intercepted, and cracked, the message almost immediately and Japanese forces raised their readiness status. Russian naval vessels in the Pacific that received the order were understandably, confused, and tried to confirm with, lavar stock, US intelligence urgently looked for signs of an incipient Soviet attack. Thankfully, they found none, the Soviet alert was canceled just thirty minutes after it was issued. The official report from the NSA later, said that one individual in the eastern Soviet command went rogue alerting, his countrymen that they were now officially at war with the US without having been ordered to do. So it was a tense half hour for those who knew about it. Many politicians should listen to my mother retired radio personality, Joe Christie who taught her daughters. The Mike is always on. Don't say anything within ten feet of a microphone that you wouldn't want going out to the whole world by the by because launching science with savannah age seven this past week and having my super secret project to do isn't enough. I'm going to be helping my mom make a podcast about her career and all the famous people and events that crossed with it. Look for rock history with Joe Christie, this summer after a campaign rally in two thousand George W Bush took some heat for leaning over to Dick Cheney, and saying, there's Adam klimer, major league a whole from the New York Times naturally, I'm cleaning up the language slightly Cheney also unaware, that their microphones were on agreed saying, oh, yeah, he is big time when pressed later for an answer about it worst repay. Applied. I regret that a private comment. I made to the vice presidential candidate made it to the public airwaves, which is not an apology. But it was honest. And let's face it, if you think someone's at a whole you think they're in a hole. When you consider the faux pas of Jesse Jackson, you have a few to choose from in two thousand eight he made a comment about Barack Obama. He would describe in his official apology as crude and hurtful that Barack he's talking down to black people. Telling an words how to behave and that he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off for it. It was apparently such a low class statement, even Fox News, refused to run the clip, or you might think back to nineteen eighty four when Jackson told a reporter, which is basically a microphone that you have to feed that Newark city was Hymie town Hymie being an anti-semitic slur. A storm of protests erupted Jackson at first denied the remarks, then he doubled down and accused the Jews of conspiring to defeat him Jackson ally nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan himself, an aggressive and vocal anti Semite. Made the situation worse by threatening that reporter on the radio and issuing a public threat to Jews if Jackson ever came to any kind of harm. Finally Jackson was able to smother the flames by making an emotional apology at a synagogue. President Obama himself raised a few eyebrows, with an off record comment prior to taping an interview with CNBC in two thousand nine the president and the reporter engaged in a bit of chitchat including Connie, west, interrupting Taylor swift at the recent MTV video music awards when someone asked why would he do that? Obama, frankly responded. Obama, followed his comment with the universal cut gesture across his throat to imply that he was saying this off record three ABC news. Employee's listening on a shared fiber optic line tweeted out Obama's comment, which took off like mad ABC news later apologized for the breach. This didn't really result in any kind of scandal, possibly because of the vast swaths of the population that agree that Connie west is demonstrably a jackass. You barely need to say anything at all. If what you're saying, contains salty language. The list of politicians, dropping f bombs on the Mike includes, but is not limited to bid. It will work Lindsey Graham, Joe Biden, John Kerry. Dick Cheney Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton. John McCain, Eliot Spitzer, that bastion of good taste and Lyndon Johnson, while not a hot mic story. There is an amaz-. Zing recorded phone call between then president Johnson and the CEO of the Hager pants company, asking for pants to be made to the exact specifications of his crotch region. I share it with you. Now. Have one blue and one black on about six pairs for around the evening when I come in from work. And I need to about a half age too tight in the waist. Now another thing that crutch down, or you note saying, there's always a little too tight, so you make them up. Give me a age that I let out there because they cut me like riding a wire fence. These are almost he's the best that I've had anywhere in the United States. But when I gain a little weight, they cut me onto their so lead me, you never do have much margin that, but she if you can't leave me about it age from the where the separate. And round under my back among whole showing read it out there. If I need to. Leaving the states while France and Great Britain, the way to the decision on which country would host the twenty twelve Olympics in two thousand five Francis. President Jacques Chirac thought he was having a private chat with flat Amir Putin, and German Chancellor, garage Schroeder in which he said, the only thing they've ever done for European agriculture is mad cow disease. You cannot trust people who have such bad cuisine, in the end London had the last laugh, no word on, if his comments played a role in the decision with the International Olympic Committee. There was a lot of coverage of Queen, Elizabeth calling Chinese delegation rude, which seems super mild after the rest of this list. But what's interesting is the reason the Mike, even picked up her sotto voce comment. It was because she was holding a plastic umbrella. It bounced the sound back to the Mike, if it had been a regular fabric kind of umbrella, her comment wouldn't have been recorded at all. Superfan and patriots supporter. Michael Kay sent us some lovely feedback about the first episode of science with savannah age seven, and we quickly went from talking about my cute. Little co host to TV tropes, involving siblings principally. What is known in scholarly circles, as Chuck Cunningham syndrome? The Cunningham family on happy days, originally had three children Marian, Richie, and Chuck. That was apparently too many children for the writers to make good use of Chuck had few lines and almost no character development. This only got worse as the fawns quickly became the focus of the show. Then one day, Chuck took his basketball upstairs, and was never seen again. The other characters said he went to college, which sounds a lot like saying, you're elderly dog went to live on a farm, a similar fate befell the youngest child on family matters in the show's fourth. Season the winslow's daughter. Judy is seen walking up stairs. But never comes back down, she's never even mentioned, again, cause of death Steve urkel, who was only supposed to appear in one episode, but soon became the main character of the show, bonus fact, both happy days and family matters were spin offs of love American style and perfect strangers respectively. In the fifth episode of that seventy show donnas sister, Tina is introduced, then promptly vanishes from the face of the earth later in the series donnas referred to as being an only child tina's disappearances addressed at the end of a season two episode when an overly dramatic narrator reads off a bunch of questions. Like, we'll Donna and Eric ever consummate their relationship. The last question is, and whatever happened to midges other daughter. Tina find out next time on that seventies show that was the last time Tina was ever mentioned. This approach is called lamp shading when writers acknowledged something's gone pear-shaped. And then immediately move on their way of saying, yeah, we just realized it too. But what you're gonna do. Speaking of the seventies, a character on mash was removed for spreading the comedy too thin and African American neurosurgeon called a kid. You not Dr Oliver spear chucker Jones, though, he appeared in the original, novel and the movie Jones was only in the first six episodes, before simply disappearing, though his empty cot was left in the tent affectionately known as the swamp for some time afterwards fans theorized his removal could have been because the network slowly realised having a character with a racial slur for a name even if he likes it and has back story to support it might not have been a good idea. Another theory is that the producers found out the US army, had no African American surgeons in the Korean conflict at least not in the mash units. This was corroborated in the mid nineties, when producer writer, Larry Gelbart took questions in the alt- dot TV. V dot mash newsgroup. On newsgroups when you finally graduated beyond your local BB s some of you have absolutely no idea. What I'm talking about. I accept that any, who's will Gelbart said extensive research indicated there were no black surgeons in mash units in Korea. We were not interested in empty tokenism. We also had to cut down on the number of characters in the series for budgetary reasons, as it turns out, the producers were mistaken, but it took a long time for the facts to emerge more. Recent research has shown there were at least two black surgeons in mash units in Korea for additional context, the Korean war started two years after the army was racially, integrated by order of president Harry Truman, I could give you bonus facts about mash for the rest of the episode without once having to go to Google. But I'll restrain myself to just one mash ran for. Eleven years, but the active part of the Korean war, only ran for three I say active part because the armistice only paused the conflict it didn't end it. Character. 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Break room, I post lots of factoid there that don't go onto the social media or are included in the show, and you are welcome to post any safe for work facts that you find I will probably do a dischord server later because, you know, a lot of us are trying to wean ourselves off of Facebook. I'm just not as familiar with the dischord you I right now. On the flip side from Chuck Cunningham. We have cousin Oliver a character added to a failing show to try to win the audience back. Sometimes it works like custody L on supernatural or Amien Bernadette on big bang theory other times, not so much the opponents Oliver was added to the Brady bunch in a desperate, last gasp attempt to keep the show going kids must be easier to work into the script because they're an absolute crutch. For failing shows family matters who got rid of an actual young person in season. Two brought on a cute orphan boy, called three j in season seven because the other young people on the cast had gotten older. If one kid is a draw to must be better reckons, the people behind full house, who tried to reclaim the Michelle magic by giving Jesse and aunt Becky twins. The Cosby show, added kids like they bought them on sale. When youngest daughter Rudy hit puberty. The writers had daughter, Denise get married, offscreen and come back with step daughter Olivia Livia cousin Oliver. I think they knew what they were doing. Bonus fact Bill Cosby, axed, the actress playing Denise Lisa Bonet, after she filmed, a nude sex scene in a movie, she would go on to marry Jason momoa. So on the balance Olivia wasn't enough. So eldest Cosby kids, Sandra gave birth to twins Winnie and Nelson even tried adding a teenager in the form of cousin Pam who I have no independent memory of growing pains had to Chrissy the youngest Seaver child, and then later, the homeless child played by Leonardo DiCaprio, the fresh prince of Bel-Air got a desperate, cuteness injection and season five with Will's cousin. Nikki all of these were too little too late. Not having learned from the Brady bunch is mistake, married with children, added an abandoned boy, named seven not only did it not help the show fans hated him so much that he was written out with even less explanation than when he was written in. If we were giving out awards here top honors would have to go to the TGIF era, Brady bunch, knockoff step by step. They had to Chuck Cunningham's, Brendan the youngest son of the husband was used less, and less in each episode and forgotten entirely. When the show changed networks, and Cody goofball cousin who lived in his van was written out, after the actor playing him was arrested for domestic assault. He was later cleared of all charges and made a guest appearance on one final episode, then the show pulled a cousin Oliver with the addition of baby lily, but they had to put their own special twist on it by having her age, five years between seasons five and six. This is known as Soroush soap opera aging syndrome where you just make the character, whatever age, you need them to be sometimes by sending them off screen for a while. But always while ignoring reality, and just not talk. About it. And finally, in our mishmash, mash up a sneak peek into what supporters at patriotair dot com slash your brain on facts receive twice a month in the form of the bonus many episodes. In addition to the cool swag, and early access to the regular episodes. So we present for you. Now, the surprisingly childish ideas, that were conceived of and even attempted to fight the Nazis during World War, Two please, forgive the slight drop in audio quality, I believe that this was the period of time, where I was overdoing it with some of the post production affects and ruining things rather than making them better. Graffiti is a common form of artistic expression and visual protests, arguably, going back to cave paintings, ten thousand years ago, it's usually quick to accomplish making it ideal for speaking out against the government and then beating a hasty retreat with that in mind, allied intelligence, airdropped, insulting stencils and paint behind enemy minds. There was at least one flaw in the plan paint is rarely truly permanent, the Germans simply removed, the graffiti, wherever they found it, so the British government channeled, huge resources into developing a substance or method that would be impossible to remove using an ammonium based paint that would ash glass. They disguised it as tubes of toothpaste, and smuggled them into occupied Europe, where it was particularly popular for writing insults, on the windshields of German officers cars things were going swimmingly until one shipment was accidentally sent to North Africa. Where no one knew about the project and people mistook it for real toothpaste with a devastating effect on both teeth and morale, it's a staple of comic book ad pages, along with sea, monkeys and x Ray specs, but who would actually try to use itching powder as a weapon of war. The British special operations executive as it turns out the SOAP mass produced a powder, that was a powerful irritant to expose skin and smuggled it into occupied Europe, disguised as talcum powder, there, it was distributed to resistance numbers at laundries, and clothing factories, where it could be secretly sprinkled over German uniforms. This wasn't a small scale operation in October nineteen forty-three. The esa. We reported that twenty five thousand U boat crew uniforms had been contaminated with ching powder. This was apparently successful in getting at least one u boat to return to port as the crew had become convinced that they were suffering from some VERA. Disease, not content to stop there. The Stockholm office began filling envelopes with itching powder, and sending them into the German postal system. The resistance in Norway started putting the powder into condoms intended for German troops. The contaminated condoms, were shipped mainly to the Toronto area where local hospitals soon filled up with soldiers complaining about painfully rotation. There are few more classic or juvenile pranks than a stink. Bomb the British also spent large resources developing a stink bomb called the S capsule, that could be broken onto clothing like overcoats to create a horrible stench, the smell would cling on even after multiple cleanings and since winter clothing was in short supply in the German army the poor soldier would either have to freeze or walk around, wreaking, like garbage fire full of dead. Rats in roquefort cheese, not to be outdone the American office of strategic services launched. The hilariously named who me program. This eventually produced a spray bottle that could be used on a German officer to produce a strong fecal smell that would humiliate him in the eyes of his men depleting morale, unfortunately, it turned out to be so strong that it tended to cling to everyone in the area, particularly the poor guy. Trying to surreptitiously spray it on proving the military is not dissimilar enough from mean girls fake party invitations were another weapon of choice for the Esso. We in nineteen forty four the German embassy in Stockholm had arranged for the famous actor and comedian George Alexander to give a gala one night, only performance of his new comic play with tickets available only to an exclusive few the play would be a hilarious farce, but not in the way the embassy had hoped the SEO produced over three thousand fake invitations to the play and. The swanky reception to be held afterwards. These were sent out to known Nazi sympathizers around the country on the night of the gala thousands of Nazi loving Swedes turned up in black-tie, only to be told that their tickets were fake, and that they wouldn't be allowed in the performance was delayed for hours by the angry mob outside the foolish fascists became a laughing stock around Sweden. I take back, what I said earlier, about stink bombs, being the OG prank that honor has to go to laxatives the Atlantic coast of Norway has an economy based largely on fishing. So when Norway's Nazi controlled government announced that it was requisitioning the entire sardine catch people were understandably. Miffed, the resistance had a mold in local Nazi headquarters who revealed that the sardines were going to be used to feed German troops with the best of the catch to be canned and supplied to u boat, crews resistance sent an urgent message their contacts in British intelligence requesting a strong laxative, that would be undetectable in vegetable oil, the British sent back croton oil, an extremely powerful purgatory. The Norwegian snuck into the canning factories where the croton oil was added to the vegetable oil that the sardines were packed in the sardines were then sent off to you boat basis across the. Continent now painful diarrhea is bad at the best of times. But imagine having it while packed into a tiny submarine with several dozen other men, all suffering the same problem ritish intelligence was impressed enough by the success to start their own laxative based ham pain using a substance called, Carbajal, which supposedly caused diarrhea of epic, proportions among two hundred people with as little as one gram as luck would have it, though. The war ended before this could be put into action speaking of toilets when the OS s office in Rome, realized that the enemy was experiencing a severe toilet paper shortage. They jumped all over it the department began producing anti Nazi toilet paper, which would then be dropped into Germany or placed in the bathrooms of trains, travelling from neutral, Switzerland. Some of the rules were printed with anti-nazi text and others just had a picture of Hitler's face and the words this site. Up. Continuing with the apparent let's annoy Hitler into surrendering strategy, the OS s came up with a plan that was deranged even by their standards. They knew taking Hitler out would strike a devastating blow to the Nazis, but killing him ran the risk of turning him into a martyr. So instead, they decided to drive him crazy with porn, the agency's crack team of psychologists concluded that Hitler was pathologically prudish about sex. They argued that if Hitler was suddenly exposed to a huge quantity of hardcore pornography. He would be driven to a nervous breakdown. So the OS are indeed division nicknamed, the choirboys assembled a veritable mountain of German pornography. It's probably worth remembering at this point that there was an actual war, raging across the globe, with guns and bombs and these guys were collecting and assessing. Bavarian erotica, believe it or not the plan fell apart, almost as soon as they put it into action. The USS decided that the best way to get the porn to Hitler was to have a bomber drop it over his hunger. The thinking being that when the air raid sirens stopped, the Fuhrer would wander outside see the nudie MAGS littering the landscape and instantly driven to madness of puritanical of crafty, and proportions when the plan was explained to the air force Colonel, who was to be in charge of it. He was not on board. In fact, the Colonel supposedly left shouting that the entire agency was a bunch of maniacs. And the air force would not risk the life of any of their pilots on this team. And that's where we run out of ideas. At least for today, I fully anticipate having a regular run of the mill your brain on facts up next Tuesday. And I appreciate everyone's patience as I've been trying to cobble things together in my reduced state. Thanks for spending part of your day with me.
"Hey. This is Chris from the Criminal Perspective podcast on criminal perspective. I take eleven years of my experience bonding with notorious murderers and I bring it directly to you at times. I'll give you interviews directly with the most heinous murderers imaginable like Niko, Niccolo, the vampire of Paris I read I read that you found some cookies in his kitchen and you just sat there eating cookies watching them squirm around and die. Yeah, I wasn't factual cookies I figured. If. It was greg just Brad by something I just said, sat down on the corner which. Other Times, I'll bring you survivors of violent crime telling their harrowing tales themselves like Shasta Mcclain. WHO survived being abducted by serial killer. Joseph. Duncan. Campsite for like. Two. A week or two. He had asked me how I wanna today he said because I had to choose one or the other it could either be quick where it could. It could be the slow process. So he gave me the option of being strangled to death where he gave me the option of being shot. So please check out criminal perspective on apple spotify or anywhere podcasts or heard. Criminal. Perspective is across Bass Media Podcast. This podcast may contain content that is graphic and disturbing nature listener discretion is advised recently named one of Time's one hundred most influential people of two, thousand and nineteen. This woman is best known for her groundbreaking work in the Golden State killer case where people don't know however is that she also played an integral role in solving a thirty year old cold case. This episode twenty-six, the Barbara Rae venter story. Again I amy how are you excellent could see This is my first case in which I'm not covering an offender or victim. I know is pretty excited about it. The Kathleen Zellner case Meghan rate is the only one that we've covered so far that was a woman who works in the system. Yes, I'm. Yes I'm pretty sure I would love to hear from the listeners if they enjoy these type of cases because we can do more of them because there is no shortage of amazing women who are working in the system or whose work has impacted the criminal justice field in some way I agree I have a less right now and I have about three or four other women that I intend to cover. At some point, I have to say, took me a really long time to pick because I have a list as well, and there's a lot of good ones however did land on Barbara Ray Vendor and I think you will understand why she is incredible can't wait to hear this. So as always I WANNA, start off by talking a little bit about Barbara's background and what led her to her amazing career. As a genetic genealogists who help solve cold cases, which is why we're talking about her here. Okay. Barbara was born in New Zealand in nineteen, forty eight and around the age of twenty she moved to the US and she was at the University of California she studied psychology and Biochemistry Very Smart Lady and she got her PhD there as well. Blah. Blah. Clearly she is motivated she is smart she. Spent a few years in academia as a professor at the University of Texas. Then she enrolled in law school, she went to law school, and then somewhere around the mid eighties she began working as a patent lawyer she was working in the biotech space. She also taught at Stanford for a number of years where she conducted cancer research. Wow. So we can actually stop here and say, wow, what a career Nothing compared to what she would become. Somewhere around two thousand and twelve. She developed an interest in finding relatives new CEO, how a lot of people are interested in ancestry, DOT COM and. It was actually just a hobby for her nothing more than a hobby to remember back in the day when you meet your family tree. Yes yes. She actually joined the DNA family tree website. Got It and she came across a distant cousin who she started talking to her distant cousin express some interest in finding his birth parents. She thought it would be really fun to help him. So she found a website called DNA adoption dot org, and she actually enrolled in a class on how to. Use DNA matches develop family trees and use public records to find one's biological parents. I love that because I love people who are interested in like learning and doing as I am. So that's very cool. So not only did she want to help him she was going to get educated too. So I know after she completed the course she began teaching it. Yes. So she became really excited about what she considered this new hobby. But little did she know there was a growing field call genetic genealogy in addition to working on her own family tree she began working as a volunteer as a search angel have you ever heard that before? What do they do? So they help adopt these find their birth families I didn't know that. Okay sweet. So cool. Yeah. So she was working already love her I know. So she was working as a volunteer helping people find their birth parents and again doing this as a hobby because she was a successful patent lawyer at this time. Wow soon after she began doing this she. Started getting approach by law enforcement. No. Of course, because they want to be able to track DNA and they wanna be able to track you know family criminal history they're looking to locate offenders essentially using genealogy and using family tree, and as you know Megan possible for law enforcement to search a genealogy site twenty three and me without a court order I, did know that right and. We'll talk about this things. That this issue is gonNA come into play. Oh. Yeah. We have a lot of talk on that genealogists who solve adoption cases new that there was this workaround they could upload crime scene evidence to something called Jed batch. So Jed matches, an online service and what it does, it compare his DNA data files across different testing companies, ancestry, dot, com twenty three, and me those are all independent sites. Right jet match is a site where if you have upload to any one of those, you can voluntarily upload to that site and could connect you to people that use these other sites that makes perfect. So it's almost like A. Based on what you said it's almost like it's almost like tripadvisor or like Kayak. They're literally giving you a central data central database are pleased to look comparing all the different exactly and they have a at the time. They had a looser customer service agreement where they were sharing information with law enforcement and lots more on this later. Okay. Because you know some people feel that helping law enforcement navigate jed match really is exploiting a loophole and violating users trust but others think it's okay and to just kind of proceed quietly so that you don't drive other people off the site. And as I said, we'll dive deep into that Oh. Yeah. So her first criminal case involvement, it was in two thousand and fifteen, and she assisted a detective who is trying to figure out the identity of a woman named Lisa who had been kidnapped as a baby. It took more than twenty thousand hours and the assistance of over one hundred volunteers. But ultimately using Barbara's techniques they found and connected Lisa with her grandfather who was closest living relative who was interested in a connection. Okay. So Lisa finally. Knew her origins but the story of Lisa was just beginning Oh my goodness. In fact, it's hard to believe what followed after this. So it turns out that Lisa's birth name was actually done. Okay. So as child Don lives in an RV park? In California with who were led to believe her father, a handyman who went by the name of Gordon Jensen. Stop Me. If you've heard this, they get into it you're going to I think I maybe God there was an older couple who also lived in The RV Park and they started caring for Lisa because they were concerned about her well being things just didn't seem right. They were so concerned that they tried helping their own daughter adopt this little girl. So at the time, she was only four or five years old. Okay and this was okay with her quote Unquote Father Gordon. Jensen. So they brought Lisa to their own daughter in southern California very quickly they called the police because Lisa was saying things that seem to indicate that she had been abused. Gosh yes. Soon after they also discover that Gordon Jensen had fled the RV. Park. So in other words, this couple were taking on a trip and the second they took our he fled I think he thought people might be onto him. Police realize that Gordon Jensen was a false identity and fingerprint records from previous arrests matched him to Curtis Kimball. going. So he was captured and charged with child abandonment as Curtis. Kimball in March nineteen, eighty-nine two months. Later, he pled guilty to child abandonment and received three years in prison. He only served two years and he was paroled in October of nineteen ninety. He disappears again but he resurfaces in California as Larry Banner in the late ninety S. Gosh. Okay. So you with me here. There's three aliases. Got It. Got It. Okay. So he marries and later murders use on June. So in two thousand and to use on June was found buried in cat litter the at their home in California I'm sorry you said buried in cat litter. Yes. In their home. So when she disappeared so she disappeared in two thousand and two. Okay. So they were married for A. Couple of years she disappeared police questioned the man who said his name was Larry Banner but once they took his fingerprints, he was a match for Curtis Kimball. He was arrested and he pled no contest to the murder and dismemberment of use on June. All right. I remember she was dismembered. That was going to be my next question. I. Just do not recall this facts about the cat litter but okay, go ahead. So he ends up being sentenced fifteen years to life for this murder fig range fifteen years to life whenever I'm. Like wow, that could be you know as little as ten years or the rest of your life that's very wide range too wide for me but okay, I agree in two thousand and three California authorities now knew that Kimball vannatter Anne Jensen were all aliases for the same man but it would be another decade before they found out his real name what his real name terence known as Teri Rasmussen. Yes, also known as the cameleon killer, Okay Guy I knew that you were going to know this and one of my favorite podcasts they are air broke. Yeah. So how does this all come together now? 'cause remember we're talking about Lisa here. Okay. So let's how did this all come back to the identification of Lisa Authorities To link her kidnapper to a series of murders in New Hampshire known as the bear brook murders. So the bear brook murders for those of you who? Aren't aware. It was an adult female and a female child were found in a barrel and bear Brook State Park in Allentown new. Hampshire years. Later, two additional victims were found in barrels again and they contain two female children. All victims were found to have died of blunt force trauma to their heads sometime around nineteen, seventy, seven and nineteen eighty-one. It took decades to figure out their identities and it turned out that three of the four were biologically related I remember this but the. Fall of the revelations that was like shocked shocking. So it was mother and daughter unfortunately in the first barrel and then one additional daughter. Yes. So fourth victim was never I did. So now we have another alias while known as Bob Evans too many Teri. Rasmussen, dated. Lisa's mom, Denise Boden Lisa, and her mom denise disappeared from Manchester New Hampshire in Nineteen eighty-one this puts him in New Hampshire in the early to mid eighties and authorities believe that he killed denise somewhere her body. has never been found and then he left with Lisa caught it. Denise Lisa were not reported missing at the time because the family believe that she left town because she was having some financial issues and she was dating this guy who went by the name of Bob Evans. So they didn't even know that they were really missing in two thousand and sixteen however once the daughter Lisa once she resurfaces alive and well living in California and then there was publicity about the murders and. Vote in disappearance now they start thinking of something, sinister must have happened they contacted authorities. So this whole thing is coming together in two thousand and ten Teri Rasmussen died in prison, and after his death, they use DNA obtained from his autopsy and they were able to establish that he was the father of that fourth victim that was found in the barrel. Oh My Gosh I did not remember that. So Barbara Rae, venter all because she was helping this woman, find her biological family that started this domino effect and got us all the way here. All four victims were able to be identified now. Well, I'm sorry they weren't able to be identified because the fourth victim we still don't know who this little girl was we just. Know that biologically she is the daughter of Teri Rasmussen. So he killed his his daughter he did authorities say it's possible that there's many more victims of has that they just haven't been able to link. It was kind of interesting. He wasn't a when I teach. He wasn't a specific sites not site specific or place specific also local it's funny you bring that up. Because I was going to say since you teach on serial killers I wanNA know your thoughts on this because I think what distinguishes him from most serial killers is he targeted people with whom he had a relationship with absolutely distinguishes them what I understand most serial killers actually have very strong family bonds and they focus on complete strangers that correct most serial killers will. I mean some have strong bonds some do not but almost always they're victims are strangers or strangers to them. I mean one of the reasons to because they don't want to get caught and you know they're picking out like vulnerable targets but yeah, that makes him. That makes him unique. Almost all of his victims had some sort of familial or relationship connection. Yeah. That's unique. That was a big case for Barbara but that was nothing compared to what is to come. Barbara's next case I already love her. In two thousand and seventeen Paul Holes. Oh, where I'm going here right I do. We've we've had the opportunity to meet Paul Holes at Crime Khan and he is. He's a lovely person. He did. Yes. Done some amazing things in the field. He's cool. So Paul Halls learned about Barbara's worked on the case and he sought her out because what case was he working on for decades the golden's S So after a review of his previous cases, she says, yeah, you know what I think I'll work with him but only later was she told that he actually needed help on what turns out to be the Golden? State. Killer. So. She doesn't know what she's getting yourself into absolutely not. So why was she needed in this case while they had known DNA and they wanted to use this method call target testing at really just relies on analyzing data from individuals who consensually agree to do, with DNA, tests and upload their DNA to these sites and then match his DNA to see if we can find a really make a family tree and find some. Distant relatives, right. So they needed to find someone who could compare to autosomal DNA profiles and really understand the overlapping fragments and those overlapping fragments are hinting at. So you have to know which brands a treat a focus on. It's almost like putting together a puzzle like just because there's matches their certain. Got It. I understand the complexities of DNA here are so interesting and teaching this I'm GonNa Start Amazon my forensic at Clapham. Reunion going God. I really need to up my game on this too. It's so interesting because somebody who doesn't have experience in genetic genealogy having this information is really useless. A crucial step involves following cousins back until a common ancestor identified. Okay. So eventually, they began making progress and Barbara Zabel to develop a rough outline of some family trees, which would eventually be merged with other trees. So the way I understand it as they. were. Dozens of trees in which this unknown DNA samples overlapped with. So then she helped guide the team on how to fill out different branches, using birth records, newspaper clippings, social media, profiles, and family tree data. So it's really an investigative you know the family tree is one part of it but then to find the missing pieces, you're looking obituaries and all this other detective work, but it's like detective work to fill in the family. which interest really need I know? So after several months and hundreds of volunteers, a handful of men start emerging as candidates for further investigation because of both their ages and their histories and California. Okay. So once you get the overlapping DNA, then you start narrowing it down by other things at the police new. So now they're starting to use old school detective work to narrow the suspects. Down there are some men that emerged as a highly likely suspect, a lot of those men voluntarily gave up their DNA. So they were very easily able to take the DNA sample from these crime scenes. We're talking thirty years ago and compare it with these men and rule them out. Is it that they gave their DNA thirty years ago because they didn't think anything of it. L.. A. Today, they gave the NFL tonight. Okay. Yeah. A lot of these men, of course were not matches, but one of them was closely related to this unknown. DNA of the Golden State killer Oh. My goodness they also started using have you ever heard of an eye, there was like an eye color prediction tool that you could use on jed match that can predict based on DNA profiles. What color is in individual would have this sounds familiar in James told me about honest because. They also use information from another site that created a health risk analysis suggesting that the suspect would bald prematurely. Now they're working with a suspect that they know has blue eyes and likely balding. So again, everything they're getting just narrowing it down I didn't realize that that's really cool because this information they're looking at one man a man named Joseph James Diangelo. Amy I'm totally addicted to Acorn TV just. So you know metoo Meghan acorn TV is a commercial free streaming service that's rooted in British television. It's home to sophisticated and artful storytelling with top rated mysteries, addicting dramas, heartfelt comedies, and so much more. Oh my gosh. 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Oh so they started doing heavy surveillance on him because what did they WANNA get? Oh, they want to get his DNA. NASCENT WANNA see if he's going to throw out a cop or cigarette bud or anything that will give them a sample. Yes. Okay. So they want to be able to confirm a match. So they follow him around long enough to get a tissue yes, and they compare DNA and guess what? It's a man, the one hundred percent match. So at this point I think they narrowed it down to about six people but they start they start like. On these six, but they were just tissue and it's just a slam dunk, they were doing the same things. So right surveillance. I believe. So but I think that because of the Blue Eyes and the receding hairline was they had these other people in the mix because of course I guess there could be maybe someone shaves who knows there could have been some other reasons but how interesting? Joseph James. The Angela was living with his daughter and his granddaughter. Now in his mid seventies, they arrest him and make, and he just recently pled guilty. You saw this it was all over the papers June twenty twenty I did see the talking a couple of months ago it he's wearing the face shield because of cove it was which made it even crappier and his killing spree. Oh my mean this officer he could says, right he was but he was also a serial rapist and a serial killer what over for the seventies to the Nineties or so he he was interesting because he would have sleep periods which we often see hugh he started out just raping. If you require, he was know the East area rapist, right original night stalker he didn't start killing until I think some decades later he moved down south and that's when the killings started. So his rapes happen closer to believe Sacramento okay and then he went down south and start that's one his killing spree began but he had children a wife that's often why they have sleepy periods by the way people go they go. Often a time where they've like they've just married right so they're they're they're more bound or they have more social bonds and they don't have as much freedom or they just have a child so and then they say like you know I wanted to stop because you know I felt this you know I wanted to be connected I wanted to give it up but then there's a draw that most of them feel and if I remember correctly, they did see a lag after child he ended up having three girls, which is so ironic considering he was so brutal. Against Women, he ends up pleading guilty to thirteen counts of first degree murder and he also admitted his more than sixty uncharged offenses including brutal rapes that date all the way back to the seventies. He would plead guilty to thirteen counts of first degree murder, and again he admitted to the brutal rapes and the burglaries. But because of the statute of limitations, unfortunately, those victims are not going to get justice as far as the legal system goes unfortunate I the statute of limitations is one of those other things that go back and forth with all the you know I know. You know if you're able to identify someone, what should it matter time frame is It's a whole other episode Meghan I know. So going back to Barbara after this, she was quoted as saying I think the really big thing is that in almost all of the cases at least those that I have worked on the person that we ended up identifying was never on anybody's radar they were somebody that without any investigative genetic genealogy they would have. Gotten Away with it, and that is so clear in this case. I. Think that's crystal clear in this case and I've heard it in other calendar GonNa go over the other case again. You worry right now there's so much. This might be a two parter and get it done in one. Since he was now in his mid seventies, not surprisingly he he just about aged out. He hadn't killed anyone for decades. So as Barbara was saying, he could very easily gotten away with this. Had it not been for genetic genealogy probably thought he would probably thought he was way past getting caught. Yeah. I'd say. So this case really brought the use of investigative genetic genealogy into the spotlight. It wasn't the first some people incorrectly say that the golden killer case was the first to use genetic genealogy. It was the first high profile case right but it did highlight the power that the tool can have an cracking cases that have. been cold for decades in the immediate aftermath of the arrest Barbara chosen not to publicly identify because she was fearful of her personal safety. Yeah. I'll bet not surprised she played in want the whole world spotlight tension on her but several months after the arrest she allowed Paul wholesome identify her publicly I. Don't know if you recall this but Paul Holes named her in tweet back in August two, thousand eighteen thanking her for her structure and expertise in the case I. don't remember that she also says she felt safe coming forward because other women have been public about their work such as WHO's a famous genetic genealogist we always hear from. Seymour she also genetic genealogists known for her work starting on adoption cases just like Barbara but she also had recently announced breakthroughs in six murder cases and to sexual assault cases. Right and then there was yet another woman who all these women are just amazing. Colleen Fitzpatrick. She was a rocket scientist turned genetic genealogists and she came out publicly regarding her work on a dozen murder cases, and she now has an organization which we'll talk about later get women paving the way. Old and it's Patrick was quoted as saying that the Golden State killers case really the door to say that we can now go into homicides in genetic genealogy because it was a little unclear after her role golden killer case, she became well known and she was approached to assist in at least fifty unsolved cases, including homicides and unidentified victims. So in a moment, we're going to talk about where she is now, but I just want to highlight some other noteworthy. Because one is more shocking than the next Oh. Okay. Import Washington Wisconsin. She helped police solve the thirty five year old cold case of a murder of an eighteen year old tracy. Hamburg. who was sexually assaulted and murdered by a former classmate another case out of Wisconsin the identification of Peggy. Lynn. Johnson. She was Jane. Doe for over twenty years and help police identify the suspected killer and not only the victim's identity but like Hiller. And then in California a long time neighbor and grandfather was arrested as the suspect in to rape cases from the late nineteen ninety s, and she used again investigative genetic genealogy to help the police department identify him and just last month she was instrumental in solving a thirty two year old cold case. There was a newborn baby that was found in a bag in the bay area and the baby was never identified. Guess who It was revealed is responsible after thirty two years his mother. was charged with the murder. It turns out that she hid the pregnancy from family and friends, and then killed the baby and dumped him in the bay. It's really unfortunate, and then the last one I just WanNa highlight is have you ever heard of the case the boy in the box to then it sounds familiar it's very interesting because it dates back to nineteen fifty seven. So there is an unknown murder victim afford a six year old boy who's naked battered body was found in a bassinet. In the Fox Chase Section of Philadelphia Pennsylvania. He was also commonly referred to as America's unknown child his identity had never been discovered and the case remains open but probably not for long now that Barbara is working on it. Wow. I keep going I have listened lists of cases but for the sake of time I'll stop with the highlighting of cases there and just turned to the controversy with a feel like sorry I like this reminds me of one week did cover Kathleen Zollner I was like, let me go in every case. These are women that are. rockstars. So inspiring I I'm really glad we're featuring them in episodes. Okay. So you were going to stop there and go to the controversy although these methods help solve crimes it's not without controversy these cases have highlighted DNA samples that have been volunteered for one purpose in this case genealogy can be used for other reasons without the donors explicit consent there have been several ethical concerns brought up are sorry you're gonna go but isn't number one the invasion of privacy fourth amendment issues or no it is but there's work arounds which. In the case of the Golden State killer for example, Deangelis relatives submitted their DNA for the specific purpose of genealogy, which by definition requires the information to be shared and compared. However, it was used for something else without their consent right so they found they've ended up solving this case because a distant relative, the Angelo updated their DNA hoping to find family tree I understand that but then does don't they have an expectation of privacy is the issue here? That is the actual. That is the issue that's why law enforcement goes. To genealogists because law enforcement cannot do this themselves although there have been cases where law enforcement has been accused of creating fake profiles and uploading cold case DNA. So Jed match is what we talked about before and Jed match is the site that collects data from all the other side. They have since changed their policy because they face a lot of backlash So now they require people to opt into share their. DNA. With law enforcement. If you go on their website, it's a big banner but their total number of samples. Dropped from over a million before the Angelo to about two hundred and fifty thousand today, right. So for the most part, each site really has their own user agreement and many allow people to opt out of DNA sharing for law enforcement purposes but you have to actually read the fine print a lot of times. Yeah. But you'll see there being responsible and instead of making in the fine print like I said sites like family tree DNA they offer law enforcement services so that could increase the pool of potential matches but others like Twenty three and me an ancestry they do not allow law enforcement access. So some people feel that law enforcement navigating Jed match is an exploitation of a loophole that violates trust others feel like it's okay because it's solving these heinous crimes. The fact is actually because of these databases, some estimates say that over two hundred and fifty violent crimes have been solved just in the golden state killer. Yeah. question is, do you want to give up some of your rights for the greater good? Or not you know what? I mean this is very slope though this is a hard one for me I do are we gonna get to our opinions about this? We? Well, I'm almost done I'm sorry Meghan hang in there no I am I'm here inside you're always they're making always always. So what does the Department of Justice say about this? That's the Authority Yup in two, thousand, one, nineteen, they issued guidelines for federal investigations. We know that there's a difference between state and federal. The DOJ says that you could only use genetic genealogy to track down suspects in serious violent crimes and or though because it's confusing, there have been different ways to interpret this. It could also be used as a last resort I. that's so. Vague language. Now I know because like I said, it's such a slippery slope if it's not specified serious violent crime. So we're talking just murder and rape some people would. Probably have a category they say series violent I bet they're gonNA have a schedule of offensive that they consider there and it's going to be like your top you know the the FBI top eight including homicide. Rape the most serious. So now we're seeing states also developing some language about what can be done with these sites. So a couple of months ago there was a warrant by a Florida Law. Enforcement. Agency. Demanding access to all DNA profiles even those who did not opt in all. Yeah and they complied what? Yep. We're going to see a lot of movement on the state level because this is so new and it brings up. So many issues we're going to see people starting to press for loss to protect the privacy rights of all people and limit access to every once your network material. However, the other side of this is not only are we to to find unknown offenders were able to solve the cases of Jane does, and this is also helping in the wrongful conviction area as. Well someone else's implicated and urine prison for that crime that's going to help you too. So this has far reaching benefits there. Some talk about having genetic genealogy is leading to more white offenders being apprehended visit because black ones were falsely accused, and now the genealogy reveals the truth. That's an interesting theory that could be. But before this everyone was using quotas so code this is financial system where they have the DNA people that have been arrested or charged with crimes, and because does predominantly minority black males right For example the Golden State Killers DNA never met bit. Right. So they're saying that if you look at WHO's using these sites, I would bet you would find that it's people that are you know middle class you have to afford to have a computer afford to have the privilege to poke around on the Internet looking for relatives. So because of this, you're having more white people submitting their DNA right and so that's how we got someone like the Golden State killer and also Teri Rasmussen was a white man also. So interesting I wonder if it'll change research on it. Sorry. What low Oh, that's a good idea. It's a really good idea. What I'm thinking is I'm wondering if that will change what we know about the crime rates and how we attribute them. You know we talk about crime statistics and crime distribution will is actually change what we nothing but there's all other issues with quotas we could talk about of course, it's important to note that genetic genealogy is not enough to convict. A person is just one piece of the puzzle, but aren't is going to equate this with DNA with gold standard. What they're I mean this is going to be a powerful piece of evidence. A lot of these cases we find that people plead guilty such as the golden state killer. Hover there was a case that CC more work done. I don't know if you recall they were to victims that got killed in Washington they were Canadian citizens like eighteen year old and their killer was unknown. They found the killer and the case went to trial and this was the first time they used unedic genealogy to actually get a conviction. So she did not end up testifying however, the jury was presented the information of genetic genealogy and this all happened because see more help them figure out the profile. Okay. They were following the guy that fit from the profile he threw out a cup they used up to match him. So it's like the fruit of the poisonous tree do you that? Yeah. If you obtains. Violation of constitutional rights, it's tainted and campy. It doesn't matter what leads it with the lead to one hundred bodies. It can't be used, but as C. C. More was saying, this shows that. Up In the court of law and a jury was able to convict I think Barbara MCC more and a couple other females are amazing and I hope that they'll inspire you know future females to go into this field as well. Here are here's my thought on the genetic genealogy and I struggle with a lot of these issues when we were talking about law enforcement, the powers of law. Enforcement how far should they be allowed to go? When is it an invasion into our fourth amendment rights and other constitutional rights I? Think my feeling is this is such a powerful tool that can help to solve such substantial crimes that it has to be used. But I think they need is I think there should be strong oversight and limitations in a way that are able to still. Preserve our rights. So I think it should be used, but it has to be much I think it's got to be very highly regulated and I do think that there should be a special consideration given to how to not trample on our rights to privacy I, think we're GONNA see a lot of movement in the courts on this issue both at the state level and the federal. You know what it reminds me of after nine eleven all questions between what liberty and safety getting stopped in search in the subway people were complaining that if violated the right to privacy, but it was for the greater good because of what was going on right you're right I mean when I teach about the Patriot Act it was a total loosening fourth and Fifth Amendment Rights and it. Happened very quickly. Again, I would like to see as I teach in policy. I'd love to see long-term real planning for this if this is going to be a valuable tool. Great let's figure out the benefit of it, the the consequences of it, and then let's design a policy that actually works in balancing these two concerns. That's why this episode just branches off. Yeah. No, it's GRANDPA unintended. Family it it. Okay. Where is Barbara Today I was GONNA ask. So today she is the director of gene by jeans investigative genetic genealogy. She also consults on several cases. I read somewhere fifty, and then I read somewhere that she has almost sixty active cases. She also provides commentary on the ethics of using shared community data for law law enforcement purposes, and addresses ethical questions about the use. Of shared genetic data, the only other thing I wanna add is I wanNA plug the DNA doe project have you heard the DNA project have forgotten? Okay. So the DNA doe project was established in two thousand and seventeen going back to fitzgerald that we talked about before the start by to genealogists researchers who worked to identify unknown victims using Jed match it's volunteers that construct these family trees. Based on DNA. So instead of having those search angels or helping you find your adoptive parents, they have a group of people that are working to identify all of these unknown victims from over the years amy amazing episode. Thank you so much. Thank you. I think I WANNA go into genetic genealogy. Oh, I'm going with you. Imagine we found out we were like cousins or something. I really are. Anyway thank you so much to our listeners. Thanks Meghan. Women Crime is written and hosted by Megan sacks and Amy Schlossberg. Our producer and editor is James. Varga our music is composed by desert media. If you enjoy the show, even get access to add free episodes exclusive Ama's and other bonus content for small monkey contribution through Patriot to find out more visit patriotic dot com slash women inclined. ME. Sources for today's episode comes from The New York Times. GENEALOGY CONSULT DOT COM Barbara's website oxygen ABC News.