20 Episode results for "Demille"
Aaron Copland 3: Agnes de Mille
"Welcome to classics for kids. I'm naomi lewin. Agnes de mille the woman for whom aaron copland composed the ballet rodeo came from a very important theatrical family cecil b demille a mill. One of the greatest movie directors who ever lived was agnes de mille's uncle her father wrote plays and screenplays a screenplay tells the actor's words to say and gives a description of how a movie will be put together but her showbiz relatives did nothing to help. Agnes de mille become a dancer because they i didn't think dancing was a decent profession for a smart woman <music> you from the time she was little agnes loved to dance but after she saw the famous ballerina anna pavlova perform she really got hooked. Finally her parents let her studied ballet and she realized is that her family background helped her understand how to tell stories in dance. Agnes de mille performed all over america and europe for years but she never never managed to hit it big until rodeo when she was thirty thirty seven pretty old for dancer the ballet russe a russian ballet company with a french name asked agnes demille to create a cowboy ballet for them. She said yes but only if she got to dance the lead. Agnes demille was never shy about telling people what she wanted. She got aaron copeland to write great music. Music taught the russian dancers had move like american cowboys and rodeo was a huge success. <hes> <hes> you finally agnes demille was a star and everyone wanted to work with her especially people. The musical theater richard rodgers and oscar hammerstein got their first at that point rodgers and hammerstein were in new musical theater team working on a show set on ranch out west a lot like rodeo. So of course they thought of agnes demille to do the choreography the dances by the time the show got to broadway the state where he took place was also the name of the musical along with oklahoma rogers and hammerstein and agnes demille changed the way musical theater worked up till then the story musical was told only with speaking and singing dances were dropped in just for entertainment taint. Oklahoma was the first show that used dance to tell the story to for instance the dream ballet in oklahoma. Lets you know exactly what's going on. In the heroine lorries mind after oklahoma agnes demille went on to choreograph other great shows needs including brigadier by lerner and low it and another rogers and hammerstein show carousel that has one of the most beautiful waltzes ever written <music> <music> agnes. Mr mill was also the first woman to direct a broadway show when she wasn't busy in the theater. She found time to write about a dozen books including some about her life. You can probably find some of agnes meals books in the library next time on classics for kids rodeo. The ballet that agnes de mille got aaron copeland two right eight. I'm mayo me lewin. Please join me again for classics for kids.
Russ Tamblyn, from DeMille to David Lynch
"This is Alec Baldwin. And you're listening to. Here's the thing. My guest. Today is Russ Tamblyn in a long and varied career. He's been a child actor and Acrobat. Mgm Studios Star who ditched the whole scene to become a painter after that he was a successful choreographer and then one of the stars of twin peaks. But you probably know him as riff hard-bitten hard-bitten vulnerable and leader of the jets. When your again your agenda all the way from your first thing rent to your last night the west side stories riff in one thousand nine hundred? Sixty one was the culmination of a long string of classic team roles. He was Elizabeth. Taylor's little brother and father of the bride and the younger version of King Saul in Cecil B de Mills Samson and Delilah his breakthrough role for. MGM was the youngest of the namesake brothers in seven brides for seven brothers directed by the legendary Stanley. Dominant fresh off singing in rain. Then you can't recount Russ Tamblyn career without mentioning the long string of young toughs before riff. The young gunslingers the future criminals and the good for nothing. Tony Baker who's really an undercover cop in the now classic anti-marijuana B. Movie The highschool confidential torturing up. Look don't be a kitten. We don't WanNa get caught with a reefer again at enough of poke and all of that jazz. I get my kicks out of these days. However he keeps it? Classy you got your Martini. Sold Hollywood to my podcast podcast. He's in there. He's having a Martini. Yeah Mike that'll help me. The yacky Yacky. Little Tamblyn spent his his earliest years in the middle class. Inglewood neighborhood of Los Angeles son of a chorus girl. And what he calls a Broadway song and dance man who came in west to seek fame and fortune. The family arrived just in time for the depression. Eddie Tamblyn made a few movies though a good good thing for his son's future and for American cinema. That's where I really got turned on. I think when I was living in Inglewood one of his old movies was playing a theater there so I went to see him and I saw him up on the screen and he was just like huge. You know the Oh my God I want to be there and my father said no no. Oh my father did not want me to be in showbusiness. So what did he want you to do away. He didn't care us not doing that. Well at that point it was in the the thirty. He didn't want it to end up like him. He had a hot dog stand. He sold hot dog. We had dinner that we should go and eat hotdogs at his hot dogs. No and why. Why didn't you stay away? Meaning when he said. I don't want you to do this. Why did you persist? There was a theater in Inglewood. I was about ten years old and I used to Saturday morning. Matinees with all the other little kids and it was filled with kids yelling and screaming because of seeing my father I we get so excited right up on the stage and I would just like jump around and go into and I was really dancing but I would jump around and make all the the kids laugh and they were roaring and I'd see the the owner of the theatre come running down the aisle and I leap off the theater and it was very very fast so I could crawl under the seats and disappear and he couldn't find me in came again. It was maybe like the second or third time Saturday morning. He was waiting for me backstage. I got up on the state. He came out and he grabbed me by the arm. Took me back in his office and call my mother and my mother knew that That my father did not want me to be in showbusiness so she secretly started being tap dancing lessons. At how old were you. I was about nine year. Old a little kid nine or ten was it about your mom was your mom and the Biz. Oh yeah she was a showgirl. That's where my mother and father on Broadway. The road show one of the shows. Jose she was in the line and she She was only like sixteen or seventeen. She lied to she wanted to be in the show. I think my mother there had my older brother when she was seventeen and had me when she was eighteen. How many kids in your family two brothers? An older brother who passed away in a younger brother who who has a group called the stand Dell's and roll group and he still around instill doing concerts and he jeff now but he doesn't many he yells all over. But when you come and you start making films your first film as the boy with green in hair. Isn't that Dean Stockwell. Yeah that was dean. We became friends. And I think that's that's when I was like nine or nine or ten. How did they find you then to be film Ho I did a play at the corner theatre? The first thing I did was a play directed by Lloyd. Bridges called the stone jungle and I had a great part in it and you end up getting killed in it and and it was Killing nine year old. Oh boy in this play. Oh yeah kids who go to a rock quarry and there were good actors in it. A talent scout came and then he brought me over to audition audition for a couple of parts in the boy with green hair chose of locie. I think directed it and introduce me to him and I tried out for a couple of parts and didn't didn't get anything and finally they said. Would you like to be one of the kids in it so I said Yeah and so I became one of the background and kids in it and that was my first first movie. You always think of young people working in films and we have all kinds of protections now we have all kinds of laws and rules with the Union to protect young people in tutors orders and how many hours they can work the when you were a kid. What was that like? How did they treat you? Were they affectionate. And well okay except for I will be the middle of working working for Samson and Delilah yet how old are you them but ten I think it was ten years old I played a King Saul is a boy who did four movies in this. You do boy with green hair reign of terror kid from Cleveland. Your fourth movie is Samson and Delilah. I mean I'm a sap for those epic movies and it's Demille obviously so you see the other directors they might have been a little more coddling and a little warmer to you. What was the mill like? Demille was like like you would expect. He wore short short pants. I guess with high socks he had a stick. The Voice of God no Samson Delilah was Demille yes so that was That in general yeah and when I went into the audition I auditioned with a paramount actor and it was this room I remember it was a room. There was like a big window a one way mirror and when I finished the scene the doors came bursting. Open out came to mill with his entourage. And he said you you got the part my boy and that was That was a big one for him. And you get to spend any time with victim matured you get to meet the adult. Yes what was he like is funnier than hell was he really. Oh my God he was wild. People have told me some pretty win even repeat the stories. I've been told about him I. It's pretty came in with a black guy one time and and they had to put makeup on his and I asked him. I said she's the hell did you get that. He says I went home last night. And my wife punched me and and I said what's that forty so that's what you're GONNA do. He was very mischievous. He moved signs so that people would drive the wrong way so you know he was crazy. Oh Yeah and then one of the thing was Was Heady Lamar and I thought she was gorgeous. And Delilah and I remember sitting in addressing your one time and mature. I never forget. This dog was with him. The dog came into the dressing room and he went over and started to lick hetty Lamar's his legs said he says get away from their can't do that nuclear hetty Lamar. Oh my God. It took me lunch one time at on a lot here. We'd like to go to lunch unit so I went to lunch with heavy and she said Oh. Let's stop by this stage. You don't want to see something you'll you'll like so we go into the stage and it was Dean Martin and Jerry. Lewis is first movie Mike Friend Dermot and everybody. It was just in hysterics Jerry. was smoking a cigarette in you. got a bunch of ashes. The end of the cigarette and at one moment he reached down and UNZIP Dean Hansen. Kim cracking up. He was like that constant. I'm GonNa Steal that Goodman now. You know you know these movies boy. The Green Hair Samson to live these straight dramas. But then you get to do seven brides and had you done much Into your mother wanted you to learn how to tap hap- dance had you done much huffing and you were much into the musical world on stage. Let me explain to you how it got it to tell me okay. I did a movie. At Warner Brothers called retreat hell Joseph H Lewis directed it and I played a young marine in it and I had worked for him before in a one one of his classic film. The Wall movies it was a clown crazy gun crazy. I'm thinking what a game show here. Yeah and it was. It had one of the classic bank robbery scenes in it. I don't know if you ever saw it but it was. It was the best the king brothers came and said. Hey I'm sorry joe you gotta shoot this and like a couple of hours. We don't have the time we have. The money broke so he didn't know what to do so he's just stuck. Tuck a camera in the backseat of the car. And shot over the back of their heads and they actually drove to the bank. All in one take any parked the car that kept Cameron there and showed him going in and then finally he came out and there was like a policeman kept roaming in the car and they drove all one shot and they said that was one of the best the bank robbery ever anyways. It was by accident so he took the film that I did a retreat. Hell which was a a Korean War film him and he showed it to MGM. And I guess. MGM was looking for actress to sign at the time so they signed me under contract and the first movie I did there take the high ground I play the guy comedy character in it and it was a basic training movie where Richard Would Mark Teaches. US All how to and Karl Mullen teach us how to become good soldiers which was great and seven brides came up. It was like the next film there and Michael Kid told the studio that he wanted all the six brothers to be great dancers in the studio said. Wait a minute we have actors under contract here so tell you what you can have four great dancers and two actors that are under contract and I was one of the actors that was under contract and the other actor was Jeff Richards. Who is a baseball player Eric? Before he became an actor who hated dancers. He's one of the brothers. I said let's go visit our brothers the rehearsing and he says oh Jesus do I have to over there and talked to all those fags. That's how he felt so they talked. Yeah so we go over there and Michael Kid came up to me and he said. Somebody told me Your Tumbler that you're or an acrobat. I did a backflip for him. Right on the spot he says Oh my God will use it in the number and I said wait a minute. I'm not dancing with Jacques. Them loss from New York City City Ballet and mathematics and Marc Platt. And I'd never had any dance training except for the tap dancing right. I said I can't say his look. This is just square dancing. All you gotTa we do is lift your legs so we do this number called Gone Courtney. Jenny Powell trying to make gentlemen out of the meeting mantelet yes. It came into teaching everybody how to dance and to get a really professional dancer to look. Awkward is hard to do because they automatically stand up into fifth position. So Michael Kit had had the choice of either putting me way. In back of these great dancers. I ended up in front of all the dancers looking awkward. Just going crazy jumping around and and then flipping up and falling down on the floor in Cape you're dancing and that was the end of the number. That number was just made for me because I was learning how to courtroom you go and Kortan was The number and then of course the other big number was the barn dance numbers we were dancing planks and stuff like that. That was up my alley because I could do flips. I was get the impression that those films it was a lot of work. Yes it was all all one take there were no cuts in it. How was donning? I'm a big admire of his film. You are I thought he was overrated but a Oh really yeah well we had to shoot a bunch of stuff over again that he did in that they put snow on everybody's faces and it just looked like they forgot to put makeup on in certain places I know he's done some good films but it was really Michael Film other people. You think made him look good. Yeah other people made him again. Dan Gene Kelly. You know he was a friend. Friend of Gene Kelly's when we'd finished the barn dance number and it was pretty well choreographed in everything. We came back from lunch and Stanley came on the stage with gene. Kelly and I want you all to run through the whole number from top to bottom for gene so we did eighty was wonderful. He said Hey guys all I can tell you is. There's nothing else for you to do. But cut yourself in bleed but let me just say this beyond the music beyond Bernstein who I worship when I think of West side story I think of a young Natalie Wood and the other thing I remember is you're not the male lead lead in the show and yet I guess. Can you dance you pop off that screen man like ten million dollars end to end. Thank you air. Kinda Sergeant Kripke yet got an Understan- it's just are bringing up. That gets US OUTTA hand. Our mothers Lalla Chunkys. Our fathers drunks. Golly not talks. Gee Officer you got all the swagger you become come. One of the stars of the film. Was that Robert Wise's intention or did that just happen in the cut of the film is good it. It was weird. I was in the army when An on tour for Tom Thumb when I went to New York and I saw west side story and I said Oh. Oh my God I want to do this. I bought the album. took it back to To Oklahoma where I was at Fort Sill. How long are you in the army for two years? You didn't have to go overseas Oklahoma the the whole time I fucked what. That's a good question. Yeah shooting blanks at assigned line. Said I am the enemy you know I mean at the last thirty days I took leave. Did Cimarron in Arizona with Glenn Ford and then I had to go back to the army. Finish it up and I drove back and do what happened was is. I went over to united artists where they were shooting. And I I audit as Tony and I even auditioned with with Mickey Callan. Who played riff on Broadway played by part on Broadway I audition mission with several girls? Annemarie Alba Getty with several actresses. That were that were up for the part of Maria and I had the same same agent is as Robert Wise so I had a really close connection and I kept checking. How's it going? They picked Tony is not yet Baba's ensure what he he's not sure yet but finally he called me and he said well. I'm sorry but They picked Richard. Mamer are to play the part of Tony. But Richard. Yeah I had no idea who he was and they said but they've offered you the role they've offered you the role of riff furnish riff. I said no no no he said you don't WanNa do it and I said yes I do want to do it. You know like really really quick. I really WANNA be in this this film but I said I don't think I can handle the dancing is like incredibly Difficult for riff. But my Glenn. I didn't do it. I mean it's not a good part hard Tony but when they offered me the part of riff they wanted to see me. Both Bob and Jerry Robbins so I go to the studio and I go into see them. And they're both sitting sitting there and the first thing that Jerry Sesame says now Russ he says. I've senior musical seven brides and the fastest gonNA live. Where your dance on shovels? And he says on all your films even comedies you do tumbling but I kept it. Tell you right now. There'll be no tumbling this movie and he said you're GONNA have to do straight dancing. That's the way the party is horrific and I said all right I'll shit that's what he told me and I was so drum. Robbins was fired heard because he was taken too long. We were doing shots in New York going like dancing down two blocks you know of the west side highway away. Then he would come back and get this he would say that was fine jewelry rubber wisest he would say. That was terrific that was great printed world and Jerry said no no no. I'd like you do one more. But I would like all the dancers to do it on the other foot. So jury suit Robbins was the choreographer director Robbins. WILL THEY CO director. But at the Potanin agreement that Bob is would would do the dramatic scenes and and Robinson's physical numbers. So do it on the the foot now. You may not know what that means that means instead of stepping on the left and kicking to the right you gotta step in the right kick to the left you gotta do it the other way and so every all these dancers are walking around crazy so we were there in New York for. Oh my God. We're there for a month late and by the time we got back to La. They closed the production down. They said that's it. He had it in his option. That if it didn't work out for a certain amount of time that he could be let go he was just gone by the time we came back to work mark. He was gone all dancers. Were like a depressed. They've been complaining the whole time complaining about how all the rather have Jerry Robbins and complain the not having been yeah. It's not like calling them names or anything. There was a book written. His biography is dancing with the devil. You know so I mean he just was a prick until after he was fired. That the one of his assistants Tony Gordon Day. Mary Rivera. Tony and Tony took over so Tony said let's put some tumbling back in the in the in the film. Let's put some DANTEC. So that's when I end the DANCEHALL number right. Did their own back with a full twist kept dancing and everything and so later on Jerry Robinson a show called Jerome robins Broadway and the kid that was playing. RIFF did a flip on the stage. And I saw that and I was had a heart attack I turned to buy. Did you see that. So I couldn't wait to get back stage. You know what I met him and he was so happy to meet me and I said now I gotta ask you. How were you able to do a flip on the stage? He says that was part of the audition. I give myself Chattan the back right at. You're ever seriously injured doing the work. You've done only once in a wonderful world of the brothers Grimm which was in center so it was hard to do and I had to roll down a hill. Gordon jump over the camera and I think I hit the top of the camera and cut my new like Tom. Cruise in mission impossible. Yeah did you know when you were doing the movie what the movie it was GonNa be. Did you know I knew I was doing a classic movie but I didn't know that it was going to end up history as history and as big as it was an epic film. And there's a lot of big stars like Glenn Ford does tons of them that are big stars. That have never really had an epic film. Oh you know that they could hang their shirt on a big move. You Take George curious. What else has he done? West side story is his premier Arkansas' calling because of that. We got to go to governments Chinese and get our hands and feet as it should cement. You know which was pretty pretty much of a trip. Yeah actor dancer West Side Story Star. Ross Tamblyn another. Here's the thing guest who came up through the old Hollywood studio. Oh system is Robert Osborne. Who before he was the host of Turner? Classic movies was a member of Lucille. Ball's stable of actors at Desi Lu Studios in in the nineteen fifties didn't pay much money at all but it was like a masterclass for me because Lucy took us under her wing. Now Desi at this point was womanizing. He wasn't around much so she would show us. I Love Lucy show she done bad ones and show us why they didn't work then chose a good one and why it did worse share with the rest of my interview with Robert. Osborne is in our archives. At here's here's the thing dot org Tamblyn talks life after riff coming up. This is Alec Baldwin. You're listening to here's the thing and we're back with my guest Russ Tamblyn West side story director. Robert wise made a surprising choice to follow up his musical mega hit. It was his younger film. Co starring Julie Harris and Claire Bloom a supernatural horror project called the haunting tamblyn decided to join the cast but it took some convincing. I don't even think I wanted to do it at the beginning because I was the one person in the haunting that that wasn't one of the strange people it had some sort of psychological damage damage. You know I was just a guy that was going to inherit. The House turned it down at first to tell you the truth but MGM said You know. Bob Really want you and unfortunately we're going to have to put you on. What is it where they were? You don't get paid for a bunch of months you know and so I said well furred urge salary. Maybe I'll re descript again so I decided to do it and I. I was in the south of France. Then doing some other movie when he offered to me so I flew back to England and And that's who are we did the haunting and we did it just in this amazing place which was in an stratford-upon-avon and they found this house it had been was actually like a big manner that had been haunted for hundreds of years and it was all run down and there were weeds growing everywhere and it was an incredible the place so it was It was quite amazing. So what was the set of that. Lie on the haunting. Yeah it was incredible. I mean a lot of shot L. Street the The interior of the house was shouted L. Street where they could really really work it out better. Would we mainly use the outside of the hotel For for shooting the openings and everything but I had this experience one night and we were staying near the night we only stayed there one night and my bedroom was right above where they were shooting where the entrance was so there were arc lights and they were shooting out front and I wasn't working working then and these lights kept coming on. I could hear the noise. Shit I'm GonNa go just take a walk in the back and see there was supposed to have been a ghost in the back back and There was like a path that went up and there was a little graveyard up there and there was like a eight year old that was murdered and and so I I decided I'd walk up there and they say that's where you were the ghost. Is You know so I would say I'd love to see a ghost. I thought that would be really really cool so I go go out the back and it was pitch dark. I couldn't see a thing so I had to walk backwards because the arc lights from the other side of the building where leading up the the stone path so I could walk backwards and see where I was where I was going. I got up to a certain point and all of a sudden I felt like somebody put a brick of ice ice on the back of my neck I swear gone. I never told anybody that's never told any of the cast in the exclusive. I said you know what if I turn around own right now. I'm going to see a ghost. I felt that really strongly because of that it was like freezing right in the back of my neck so instead I just high tilted back and went to bed and I thought I do really run back. I can't I can't tell anybody about this Ever and I didn't didn't tell I was in my house on Long Island. Someone told me that my house had ghosts and one night I'm laying in bed and I hear these voices in my house. I swear to God I heard people talking a woman raising her voice and I I I listened to it and I listened to it and two in the morning. It's three in the morning and I'm INSOMNIAC. I have bad insomnia and I jumped out of bed. I swear to God I jumped out of my bet. I started screaming. I started screaming at the top of my lungs. You WanNa fuck when I shall yourself. Don't you fuck it I for me come on out and show me your face. I go nuts in my bedroom of my house on. Is that twenty years ago anyway. Very soon. In the timeline of the business Paint your wagon as a flop up Finian's rainbow as a flop and in that seem easy. Rider comes up and it's the death of the musical as we know it from Hollywood. How did you feel during that period where you get to the late sixties and everything becomes the counter cultural thing in Nicholson and five easy pieces and all everything becomes a little more? I dropped out. I actually dropped out a show business. moved into Panga and got into fine art as opposed to Komo. Did you do that. Oh boy was out for years for several years. I did nothing The last movie I did I think was the long ships movie with Sidney Poitier and would mark and and then I dropped out and I went. I went up to two Panga and got into who I met. An artist was Berman. I got involved with Like Allen Ginsberg and Michael McClure. The poet and I got involved with a lot of those people and I got turned onto fine art as opposed to the performing. Now you've got quite a few credits after yeah Yeah but there be movies. I did them just for some money so I can support myself. Could I didn't give a fuck what I did. I just did them in there and made up my own line of work and a lot of that are happy to have you. Yeah they were thrilled to have me. Then I did well in the fine art shows and I. Did you still doing this solar well when I get a chance. I've been writing my book for the last twenty years by the way it's called dance on the edge. When's he coming out early next year? We finished it and Bonnie is his putting in all of photos. Now we've got tons of photos that were putting I hope so tell. Are you one of the stories about west side story when We finished in and I was friends with Natalie in an RJ and they it came out to the Beach House. One Time Tab dinner we had dinner and we were we were drinking and And Tony were Dante was came came to he was a friend of Natalie's and so we're all sitting around. Were having a few drinks and I got this crazy idea. It was just 'cause I one time at Anthony Quinn's house up in Oxnard he had a big ranch and I went there and we were out in the back that he was barbecuing and and he says let's play you. Ask somebody a question and you have to tell the truth. So I said this play that so we started doing it with Natalie and and RJ. We went around the room and I thought well I'm going to live in up so I thought for sure that I knew knew the answer to this. So I said could Natalie I said Natalie in that if you had your choice of getting an Academy Award for West Side Story Story get an academy award. But in order to get the Academy award you would have to divorce. Rj You know or would you rather stay with RJ RJ. You know and and so she says she thought about it for a second. She said I'll take the cat. That's a true story. A lot of women the shiny ball I was so surprised. I thought sure at RJ nod knowingly. He pounded the table. He practically ethically broke a bottle again. He rang the and I was living at the beach at a beach and he ran down to the beach and Tony went to help him and I was sitting there with Naveh said. Why didn't you say that why she said well? I thought about it. And I thought you know it may be my only chance to get an academy and we're not gonNA MARRY RJ again. Dan came back up and I thought about that story. When you know? Would that big deal that they had on the yacht where she drowned and they had a big fight and all. Oh Yeah yeah very much in love with her. You could tell he was little. Oh yeah he was he. He was really possessed by dinner with people in New York. And I know she's to play a game and I'd say AH my friends back. Then this is ten fifteen years ago they were all ten years older than me. Some fifty they're sixty or seventy and I'd have like I went with a friend of mine and and his wife and two couples that were friends women's table. There's eight of us. I'm the youngest one that everybody's in their seventies and I turned to this woman who was Anne Bancroft kind of Salty Savvy v New York Dame And I said to her I said Love Anne and the game I played was. Do you want to know your husband your wife Your partner. You're married to in the next life life when you die. Will you see them again. And the first person I turned to with this woman who was like this Anne Bancroft type you Julia. You and Irving here I nations and before I even opened my mother because she was Oh God no God forty years with him is enough. You think I'm going to see him on the other side side for eternity. Oh Christ at one of honest thing to San Front of your husband. Than when you're dead I always obsess about the league. Will I know my wife and my kids is on the other side. While I see my dad blah blah real quickly How do you get dialed into David Lynch twin peaks? How'd you get pulled into that? I was living with Dean in Stockwell and deny were lit up Laurel Canyon. I'd just divorced My second wife and moved in with Dean Him and the two of us were living there. And then I went to do a play and dean and Dennis Hopper did blue velvet and so Dennis said he. He's GonNa have a birthday party for David Lynch and so I went within two Dennis's place and And Lynch was getting cards and gifts and stuff and and he opened up this one card and it was a guy standing in the centre with these naked women around him you know with all these naked women and he sort of laughed and everybody laughed and it was like the funny thing you know and I was standing next to me. Wouldn't you love to be. This guy is funny like that and it was an opportunity and I said to him. I said what I would really love. David is to work with you sometime. And he looked at me and he said the next project I do the next project and it was like a year later that I got a call. All from agency remembered. David Lynch wants to see you and so I went in. He remembered him and He said the part that I and I'll never forget what he said head was and I went home and told Bonnie later he what he said to me. Not the part I want you to. I'm thinking of you for the part I want you to do in. His film is eccentric. trich character called Doctor Jacoby when she had to do that in the film so I went home and I kept thinking about it all the way home in. What he said? Didn't say want you to additional Jenner Tryout. or I'm thinking of you the part I want you to do and I went home and I told Bonnie that's what he said so My agent called and said yes he wants you. They just don't have a part yet written for Doctor Jacoby but They wrote a scene for the pilot and I decided to do something nuts dean told McCain had worked with him he said David loves something. That's out there you know so I decided to I put it here plugs in my ears. I figured as you psychiatrist so when I get off the elevator and the wind scene and Asian Cooper says to me agent Cooper Gary Cooper and that was about the only seen I had but after the pilot Lynch loved it and so they picked it up and I'm GONNA shoot it a year later and that's what I went to Venice and I wanted to find some crazy glasses. So I- narrow down to a blue pair a red pair and then finally I stopped. I was looking in the mirror and I said Oh my God. That's it so I had a pair of glasses made with one redlands and one Blue Lens and that was my Jacoby. Major showed him to Lynch. I said the Blue Lens affects affects the creative side of the eye and the logical side of the was a red list. Give it some light so explain all he says I love it but let's did not tell anybody why you're wearing those glasses. Let's keep it a secret. He loves secrets. Let me just say this here. Here's my last question. Do everybody knows Because you have a you have a multi generational show business family Your Tamblyn Dad. Ever give her any advice about the Biz chipper wanting advice. Me About this She did she said a soap opera general hospital that she was on. I wasn't working so I used to take her. My mother was was taking her for well. Passed away then. I took her and I used to stand next to the camera and when she would finish his scene you know in soap opera directors not their directors in a booth breath. Yeah and I used to stand next to the camera and when she would finish his seen the one piece of advice I gave her is whatever you do. Don't get caught acting. That's the main thing. Don't get caught acting. That should be the name of your book. Don't get caught acting Russ Tamblyn. Thank you from the bottom thank you. It's such an honor to be interviewed. Thank you bye Russ Tamblyn on a rich exciting life in the movies. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the thing is a production action of WNYC studios pro.
Aaron Copland 4: Rodeo
"Hello welcome to classics for kids. Do you know what the whole down in. How about a rodeo or rodeo rodeo is the original spanish for rodeo it it comes from a word that means to surround or round up and that's what a rodeo started out as a cattle roundup by now a rodeo has turned into an event cowboy competition with bronco busting and cattle roping and stuff like that. The ballet rodeo takes place on a ranch. The cowboys are getting together at the end of a long work week to have a good time and show off what they can do so aaron copland called the opening movement or section of rodeo buck aroo holiday. The main folk tune copeland used in buckle holiday is if he'd be a buck aroo you by his trade. The trombone has an especially good time with it <music> since it's the ballet rodeo starred agnes demille. It's actually about a cow girl. She's in love with one of the cowboys but she can't get him to notice her. She dresses like cowboy and tries to show them how good she is at all the rodeo activities but when the cowgirl gets thrown from a horse the cowboys and the city girls who've shown up dressed just for the dance that evening all laugh at her. The next part of rodeo is called corral nocturne a nocturnal. The animal is one. That's active at night. Nocturnal is a piece of music that has to do with nighttime in this section of the ballet. Copeland was trying to show how lonely among the cowgirl felt <music> <music> <music> <music> after that the fiddlers tuneup <music> and it's time for the saturday night dance there dancing a waltz <music> <music> the cowgirl arrives. The dance still dressed in her work clothes. She's unhappy because the cowboy she's interested in keeps dancing with one of the city girls. They're all wearing pretty skirts. The the cowgirl rushes home to change and the music changes to into the hoedown. Ah a hoedown can be several things a lively dance the music for that dance or the party at which the music is played and the dances is danced for his hoedown aaron copeland borrowed to really old fiddle tunes a little bit of one called mcleod's reel and a whole lot of one whole all boney park you aw aw meanwhile back at the ranch i couldn't resist the cowgirl would turns to dance wearing a beautiful dress all all of a sudden. She's the center of attention and finally the cowboy. She was interested in asks her to dance well. She says thanks but no thanks and goes off with the one cowboy who'd been nice to her all along. I'm sure the hoedown from rodeo sounds familiar failure to you next week. I'll tell you about more pieces of classical music. You might have heard on t._v. Commercials i'm naomi lewin. Please join me again for classics for kids yeah.
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Jameela Jamil - Playing Games: Season 2
"Hey listeners there's a new season of with special guest. Lauren lap, laptops out now on Stitcher premium. The only podcast where the guest is the host take a seat with Lauren as she passes off her hosting duties to a new funny friend every week. Lauren is always the guest and only the host who determines the concept of that week's episode knows who she's playing until they begin it's entirely improvised. And you never know who will show up. It's the hosts show Lawrence just along for the ride. You can listen to with special guests Lauren laptops, now and completely ad free. Only on Stitcher premium for a free month of Stitcher, premium go to Stitcher, premium dot com and use the promo code Pardo. Playing games. She plays to Honey on that hit NBC sitcom, the good place. But when it comes to pop culture trivia guest co host Jamila demille will put you in your place from the never not funny studios in Hollywood, California. It's playing games with Jimmy Pardo. Here's your host, Jimmy Pardo. Hello, everybody. DDS? Welcome to playing games game show. The covers pop culture of the seventies eighties nineties and today is studio with me as always as our announcer met Belknap. Hello Matthew, Jimmy, and our bandleader. I Mr. Mike Henry Ella. Mike. Mike on the base this week. He's a Madame multi instrument talents that a sentence at all. Yeah. I see him down on the the promenade. He's he's the one man band down there. Got the symbols recruit, his knees. BS my co host this week plays Hani on the hit NBC show. The good place say Hello to Jamila demille. How old you Maala? Hi, good to see you. If you had me back. I was so disgusting last time. Enjoy. It was outrageous. You were you're, of course alluded. You're appearance on the award winning podcast. Never not funny. And I said, you know, what she was such a joyless bring over to the game show 'cause they're nice and her you are I'm here. Now, you were at some big party last night, though, where do you joy that you like the red carpet treatment? No, it's normally awful pretty stressful. But it was an event unlike any I've ever gone to before it was the elmich Zine women Hollywood. And it just felt like a very different vibe where everyone wants to staff for each other. This has been a traditionally spent a bitchy industry now, I think that's it a truth university alleged that it's not safe place for women. Not only from other men bills from women to each other. It's very competitive and bitchy, and that seems to have gone in the last year. And now, I think we've all realized that everyone's been through some shit. We do a lot to protect each other. So it was really fun easy night that was minimal press. No publicists loud. And it was just like a hundred people in a room, celebrating the most amazing women, and they I was so creepy out of a so creepy my NFL teen year old high five to my soul because I couldn't believe I was in a room with people like jaylo, Sandra. Bullock shoddiest there on lady Gaga. Yeah. I've shown to Chit chat with all these school gates. I woke up to almost every single one of the magician. Uncle fight to grow for the need to hill. Whoa. Varo was. Ronan Farrow, the mine who has made Hollywood a safer place. Me up. Very briefly Quincy Jones was there. Yells me if I had a sister, but not one that's eighty two. He's amazing. Man. I saw that picture of you with him. Well, you look like you guys were dancing. We kind of dancing, really fun. He's ready likes. He's still full of beans. Can't she is now eighty five full of energy and just like getting up in his fate will ground. I should tell you that here in the states beans yet you're full of shit. All right for a minute. I thought you were gonna say, geez. No. I use it. That's weird. I say, that's my kids all the time. When they're when they're excited when they're bouncing off the walls. I say you're being beams. I thought you were going to say it was like a flatulence thing. But I know you would go that route to a we're not that long not into my Email. But we do it again on that pass. Past. No. But it was this amazing and everyone made these incredible speeches, and I felt great. I feel very strong. Did you get up and I did not speak. I can't believe I was invited. I'm not even sure if I was invited or if they thought I was Priyanka shop run. Which I'm still fine with a mood like happily put on her accent be able to get ahead in this industry. I was allowed Paul security somehow and just thought this staring everyone. I had to be asked to literally be asked by my publicist to stop staring, and she was like pleased. Don't pointing. So I think I still need to learn some basic manners. One of those again, that's crazy because you were telling us off the air that I mean, you you were an interviewer or a presenter in in England before you started acting, and you interviewed some really famous people. Right. But it's a different feeling let you all have definitely made to feel more like the enemy not meant to you know, like I see you guys right now is the end of my enemy. It's you don't get too often go to things like that. And you're not being in until you find yourself privy to like a circle of trust as a journalist. You are you are lumped in with a lot shitty bad journalists people just on God around you see on allowed to go to things like that often. You get to be on the red carpet in the wind and the rain outside and they taught you for about two minutes. And then you know, they get taken away. No, no, no. I'm not ready. I'm not star struck just by any celebrity. I've been interviewing the most famous people in the world for like ten years. You know, I won't interviewed Aerosmith, and I don't think I've said this on before. But when I was interviewing them, they insisted on having a mirror up next to me. So that they could watch themselves be into. They can show. This is the craziest thing ever. Looks like a lady came from me. But it was pre-. I've had some wild into this. Yeah. I know. PD was blind drunk during an interview wants to admit it to me that his y'all call a million a day on one. Yeah. So p did he's going to be homeless soon homeless. Yeah. I didn't feel I just feel saw struck by incredibly incredible people. So any he'll run in Farah shawl Easter on people who've really done something that moved me that I could never contemplate those the people that movement. But yeah, I was creepy. I was wet. I got fan photos of people, and I'm fairly certain. I'm not being invited. I really did. My Instagram stories is almost like a documentary blouse nights. But that to good places and season three where into season three people. Don't hate it than running off through joy. And we have some amazing guests coming soon. So I'm glad that you're watching watching my son after he had met you on this program of has fallen in love. I'm going to say it with you know, and then also the program. Well, I love your son. I was telling you off at Elliott that you'll son is the first child I've met that made me contemplate parenthood. So if I could just have him. Because that was what the Scheldt though, isn't it? Your role play win. Maybe he's sick of him. Maybe he's like ready to pass it on dad wanted me. You take them right year, those guys, and then you shouldn't be a father. Winning Jimmy we need concessions. Don't they look at that center? She comes from the presenting world play this game without contestants. Jimmy, let let's go to the phones. That's right. Anybody that follows never funny on Twitter as a chance to play the game. Just look for the tweet telling you to call in and that we take the calls weed out the dead weight and find our players Matt Belknap, I'll say it again. Let's hit the phones. Let's say Hello to Mary. Mary Mary Mary coming in hot Marion's Mary now where are you calling from? From what part of the country hill, North Carolina, North Carolina. Did you guys hit with some some water there? And in terms of sweetness. I understand the thumb water wise, we're looking at the wettest or gain ever. Yeah. What did you get water? Do you get part of the hurricane? Everyone's struggling with time. Oh, that's Jamila Djamil, by the way, really lucky. What are you married there? Dude. You bunker down when the hurricane comes. Gimme a answers to both those in that order. I am married, and I actually went to work the day of the hurricane cleanup crew. Where did you click watering buckets? Why were you? Bakery a bakery. People need bread in times of crisis. I want to eat you saw the lines in Russia. They get you a tough time. They still want their bread. What is it a bakery that you own or do you work for a nother Baker? I manage it for someone else. All right. Are you comfortable saying the name of the bakery in case they wanna get with it's called loaf? Okay. Okay. Everybody happy with that answer. I mean, it's very straightforward. It tells you what you've got there. A sexy name take plan. It is given to enter if I don't know if I'm gonna go to loaf. You want to go to loaf today whenever come in looking for Meatloaf, and then to get disappointed. Okay. Good. All right. Mary. Hang tight. We're going to. Let's austin. Hello austin? I gimme how are you? I'm good. How are you? Good also into where you calling us from I am from southern California right outside of LA. Well, we're rich out of LA outside of LA. I said right side of LA. I'm in LA mirada Lama rata now for those of us that aren't from the area. And that's a lot of people. Where's that at? It's right on the border of L A and Orange County. I'm a pretty close to like knots berry farm land. But I'm still just in a little bit of LA county. Do you have season passes for either of those places? I currently have a season pass for Disneyland. What about the the not scary firm you ever do that you ever go to those? They call amazes. I guess not a fan of not. But I did go to universal horror nights this year and son scary. I enjoy it. I fun. Get your adrenaline going. Not really scary as much as just exciting. Right. And you and you mention a daughter how old's your daughter, fourteen fourteen new bring her as well to the Hollywood horror nights. No, she talked to big game. But I know she chicken out once we got there. So and that's a lot of bullshit, right? Yeah. Something like that. All right, and how long have you been married, sir? I'm going to be based on your daughter's age. I'm going to say thirteen years. Exactly. No nineteen years nineteen years, Paul Hardcastle, and what's your wife's name. No you screwed up. Didn't you? Blew it. What's your wife's name, Austin, Vivienne, Vivian and Austin, great names like it? I love the name, Vivian. Yeah. Jamila your thoughts in the name of Vivian. I'm into Vivienne. Vivian is a vixen name you call her give would you go. Say money. Screw it up again Austin zero for two baby. I know. I know. And also, what do you do for a living? I will say good good. I'm sorry. Real quick my door. Jim, you're. So much. I take back everything I said about the what? Children love Jamila. We're finding this out to that. Yeah. And Quincy Jones. I saw the photograph. I saw the photograph those sweet he gives everyone. He meets his business called those you really. Yeah. It's lovely. That's that's so old school. So school classic. Yeah. So kids in Quincy Jones my fan club. Let's say a little Brian. Hello, brian. Hey, sara. How are you today? I'm doing okay, Brian. Where are you calling from? I'm calling from just outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania that they call that the city of Laura brotherly love, I some call that. All that. I just had a stroke. I don't know what happened there a lot of ours and ELS for my done accident, bro low that. Yeah. That good anyway, Brian. What do you do in that area, sir? I work at a bar in the kitchen. So not that interesting confirmed many deep fried foods. I right, yes. At dawn believably amount. I dated a pub Sheth ones. Yes. We gained about thirty pounds. How do you? Not. Right. You not there. It is. Yeah. Dr less role was rock and roll. It didn't even come up with a number on said Ruffin role. Are you married Brian? I am I am married. I have a lovely wife riana and two lovely children. How long have you been married to this RIA on? I think that was the phones fall phones. The phone of before that definitely was the phones fault. I know my wife. You sound a little defensive, sir. Go ahead. Sure. How long? Five years five years. But I have a decade. It's not like, congratulations. Is this this riana? Amazing believe he's married to the. Well, the exclusive it's amazing. We got it. We got on this very point still work in a kitchen. Well, you gotta keep it real tortuously, very cheap. And do we have kids Brian? Yes. I have two children, son and daughter. It sounds like well, that's great. And how old are the kids? Brian one is seventeen and one is fourteen can on that math doesn't work for me. You've only been married. The five years what's going on Brian horse place happening there in the city of brotherly love. We got married for my mom's sake she wanted to wedding. We didn't really care. Love is in the end. So you were together for you've been together a long time and just decided to get. Yeah. We've been together for a while. All right. Well, listen, you guys all sound like great people. But it's time to play the game. Who's ready to start playing games? All right. Got our players. You guys are going to be playing for a year subscription to Stitcher premium. First up is headlines. Regionally question that relates to a certain decade the first one to buzzing correctly gets the point Matt let's hit the randomized. And find out what decade we're gonna be playing from. We are playing from today from today don't draw attention to it to me that is very high tech system that we have here. These are questions from two thousand two thousand eighteen you guys get a little bigger span of time here for these questions will come from. There will be five questions. Whatever two players have the most points after these five will move onto the next round. You guys will use your voice to buzz in please wait until I'm done reading the question before you buzz in our we all clear. All right here. We go. Two thousand sixteen Texas mom, Candace pain, went viral after posting video of herself wearing a mask of which fictional character. Often very Boston. Go. Do you Baucau? Correct answer. Remember to buckle? Mom jamila. Yes. I do you think of that? I was fine with it. Really? You're taking positive energy away from it was faint praise though. She was fine with it. It's fine with it. I was it didn't change my life. It didn't work my wealth. I think that's the correct response. This sitcom this sitcom, which premiered has buzzers this sitcom, which premiered in two thousand seventeen is a prequel of the hit CBS comedy, the big bang theory. Ryan often Brian go young shell Sheldon's. Correct. Answer met Belknap, please after two questions. Give me a scoring update. Brian's got one Austin's got one Mary's got zero. Okay. Come on Mary. Don't let down she's very big on women's empowerment, we cannot. Doing this all women, everyone know too much. Now, you went the wrong way. In two thousand five this. Australian actor was arrested for striking a hotel desk clerk with a telephone. Brian often. Brian Russell grow grow, correct answer. I didn't even know that story and I already just presumed. It was running. It's interviewed him before. He was an yeah. Swearing during the interview and being really rude for no reason that lead singer foot of grunt invite to women in Hollywood LA site, Diddy. Yeah. Yeah. His tude. How do you hit? Would you? Does. He pick it up and just hit somebody like in a movie on the side of the head forget if it was a cell phone because I mix out story with the Naomi Campbell cellphone throw, those two are you have commingled in my mind. But yeah, it might have been a old school. Check your f- in mileage smash. I think it might have been God damnit Brian Austin, married. You guys know the full story. It's cool that he still works is it cool. I know. Hold on. Mary's got the story Mary go. It was a handset kind of phone any. He hit the guy with the the part that comes off the base. And then he bowed like it was a karate fight. I'm going to get married point for that. Now, we understand why at this down. That's fantastic. All right. Always performing. Next question. This aerobic novel by e l James topped the New York Times bestseller list for six straight months in two thousand twelve Brian author day, Brian. Greg Greg correct answer map, please give me a scoring update after four questions Brian's got three Austin's got one. Brian Austin green is not playing today. Just throw that at there. Mary I gave her one. I don't know if you approved of that. I did not approve of that while I think she should have one. She does not have one I during hands on buzzers now during a Hurricane Katrina relief fundraiser in two thousand five this comedic actor was standing next to Connie west when Khania declared the George Bush doesn't care about black people Mary. Yes. Mary Mike Myers Myers, Greg dancer. Yes. All right. So that means that every five Brian has three Austin has one Mary has one. So we have to go to a tiebreaker for just Mary and Austin. Yeah. All right. So here's what's going to happen. You guys. I'm gonna read one question you buzzing to get it. Right. You move on to the next round you buzzing to get it wrong. Your opponent goes on to the next round. Okay. Here we go this just for Austin, and Mary this British actor who passed away in two thousand thirteen held the record for most Oscar nominations without a win. Often. Yes. Austin opted. Yeah. Peter o'toole. Correct answer, that's dancer. Obscure? In fact, I I I'm so impressed because I wasn't even supposed to read that question. That was one that we have a little surprising me read it. I was not going to be used as we we. That's stumped the room when we were working on these questions. I'm very impressed that he got that good for you. But Stanley that means we have to say goodbye to marry Mary by the way, marry I feel like he incredibly cute clued up does not Faust enough. But you're an impressive woman. Oh, I love you too. Goodbye. Bye bye. Mary you're going to get somebody from the air wolf prize closet. We thank you for playing with us today. That means that Austin, and Brian we'll go onto the next round of fun of who will go head to head in the finals against Jamila. Right after this. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to playing games. My co host this week is jamilla Jameel from the hit TV show, the good place high Jamila. Hello. Info so far. I'm having a great time. That's all I wrote it, but I'm fine who you are not below too bloated. What did you have last night at this party? That is made you feel more. I just hate breakfast Huddah bugah. It was a mistake tight. Peyton Scott's very hot outside night, a bug if a breakfast. And now, I'm regretting it who was something you made it home or was it dinning wrestle. Embarrassing questions. Use of of when you I wanted to new said you had put you call a Peyton to skirt. I don't know what that visit patent leather is out that means that Peyton Toco Putin's. I like that. Okay. I'm going to try to work that into well, how could I work that in a conversation? I think is wrong. Really even is not even about. I'm not also not British. So it'd be weird to wish. Oh, yeah. All right. I'll stay away from it. I want to go back to what you had for breakfast. Where did you go guys? Very good. But you chose to get the the burger he has bucking at what time in the morning. It's about eleven am. Let's find that's lunch, dick. Wow. Hey, Austin and Brian ready for round two. Yes, sir. All right. Do it. Whoever's in the league at the end of this round will win a pod swag gift card and go on to play against Jamila in the finals for that year subscription to Stitcher premium here around two we're gonna be playing TV haiku puts to Mula just growled for some reason. He's not looking forward around three. Okay. We'll give you playing TV haiku Jamila will describe TV shows using the ancient art of haiku the haiku the Japanese verse seventeen syllables three lines five seven five. Again, you have to tell me what TV show she is describing by the haiku that she reads what decade let's hit the randomized. What decade we're gonna be playing from? Okay eighties. These are going to be eighties TV shows seven questions in the category. Whoever has the most at the end of this round will go on to play in the next round against Jamila. So here we go, and please do not buzzing until Jamila finishes the haiku. Here we go. She the police read the first TV haiku from the eighties on some German fans. All you have to do is drive. A token transam. Brian go. By rider. I riders Greg cancer. That's a correct answer. Matt, please. After one game you scoring. Well, Brian's got one Austin's got zero. Okay. Thank you Jamila and the next one police because of this show when I look back on my life. I hit Danielson. Brian brian. Go wonder years when are yours. Correct. Answer to to nothing. God the next one please do me. The in the sweaters, the two brothers named Darrell. It was only dream. Often, Brian the Newhart show judges Bob Newhart show judges. I'm sorry. We are not accepting it. We are not accepting it just looking for Justin. Yes. Austin? Newhart? Yes. That's correct. That's correct answer. Theri anal brother Jamila, I'm going to be honest. I would've taken it the two judges told me do not accept well because there's different Newhart shows. One is called Newhart and one was called the bubble NAR chats. My anal statement. I would have accepted though, because these new being supposed to Matt and Mike I'm trying to get Austin back in this game. Pummeled over here embarrassing. I don't disagree. But I want you to like me. So I'm sitting with her. With her. All right, please read the next TV haiku from the eighties. Someone doesn't love when a plan comes together. I pity the fool. Brian Austin, Bryan eighteen day teams. Correct. What are we looking at three to one Bryant got three got one? All right here, we go come on Austin shit together Allston boy Jamila meaning is talking to quick. What you did on the? Oh, I'm thinking I might be getting muted speaking into early. There's nothing wrong with it. Just better than you. All right, next one. Please jamila. Tony Angela stop guessing. This show's title was rhetorical. Often. Go ahead, Bryan. Who's the boss? That's correct answer. All right. I guess we'll continue doing these because they're fun to hear Jimmy read next. One Jamila to me heaven is four old women cracking wise out on the line. I. Brian Austin guys still there. I think what what? The play one new and that's key realizes he's already won. So he was being nice Austin. You gotta guess, I don't know. All right, Brian you want to add another point here. And just rub it in space. Ordering girl. Yeah. That's he wasn't even listening, right? All right read the last one there. I it looks like to on your pages. Humility just really just one left read the last one here because I like it. Here's the takeaway BAAs when no one knows your name, a wicked lame. No. Austin? Go ahead. Austin? Cheers. Cheers. Cheers to you. For getting a point. There we go. What is the final score that I guess Brian at four and Austin had to. But I don't think that counts the golden girls once I think maybe Bryant even at five. Yeah. Bryan. Bryan destroys you Austin in a way that can only be described as embarrassing. Yeah. You're kind fan. All right Austin. We thank you for playing though cabal stint. It was very nice to meet. You goodbye goodbye. Jimmy goodbye. Matt ryan. Loves nice little bit of sportsmanship. Yes. Awesome. Good guy wishes. Brian look into the final. That's right. We have to about Austin. But that means that Brian. You have won a pod swag gift card and the next round. You will go head to head in the finals against Jamila to try to win a Stitcher premium subscription, and we'll find out if you do that right after this. Everybody. Welcome back to playing games. Now. Brian has already won a pods wed gift carbon. Now, it's time to go head to head with Jamila the see if he can win a year subscription to Stitcher premium. I will ask you both a series of questions in the round. The we call decades if Brian can answer more correct than Jamila he will win the questions can be about anything. But there is one question from each of the last five decades Jamila, I will ask you first. So that means we're gonna put Brian in the isolation booth, which of course, is everybody knows is just putting it on hold so Brian hang tight. We'll get right to you. All right here, we go Jimmy Lai. Do you have your thinking cab on never? Okay. So the answer a as quickly as you like to take your time. It's your choice. Here. We go. Name one of the two artists who had posthumous number one hits in the nineteen seventies. Number one hit after they died posthumous. But it was in the nineteen seventies. They would have had to be dead Elvis in the nineteen Eighty-three film, risky business. What kind of car accidentally ends up submerged in Lake Michigan. Harari in nineteen Ninety-two president George H W Bush vomited on the prime minister of which country. In two thousand four do you wanna take a guess at any country? Israel in two thousand four. This iconic painting by Edward munch was stolen from a museum in Norway. True will false is that the question does not know we're looking the fainting. The Mona Lisa. As well. This film became the first silent movie to win the Academy Award for best picture since nineteen twenty seven. All right. We've got you me LA's answers. Now, let's take gets get Brian out of the 'isolation booth. Around. So. Sure. Okay. Here we go on mute. No commenting. Okay. Brian. Are you ready? Yes, sir. All right. If you can get more correct than Jimmy you will win that year subscription to Stitcher premium. Here we go name one of the two artists who had posthumous number one hits in the nineteen seventy s. Looking for Janice Joplin or Jim crow Chee in the nineteen Eighty-three film, risky business. What kind of car accidentally ends up submerged in Lake Michigan. Or horses? The correct answer in nineteen Ninety-two president, George H W Bush vomited on the prime minister of which country. China looking for Japan looking for Japan, it two thousand four this iconic painting by Edward munch was stolen from a museum in Norway. The scream screams. The correct answer. It two thousand twelve this film became the first silent movie to win the Academy Award for best picture since nineteen twenty seven. The artists yard is a correct answer and met Bonet. Please reveal how many they each got. Correct. We'll Brian just got three writes a meal got one. That means Brian wins in well, congratulations. Brian us deliberate. I knew all the charity. Brian, congratulations. You want a year subscription to Stitcher premium more poorly. You got to Chit chat with Jamila Jimmy hill. Awesome. Very cool. Thank you very much Jamila. Hi. This went very well for both of us nicely. You just you actually Brian. Thank you for playing. Can I plug something? Sure. My god. I do a lot of charity work for animal rescue blackjack rescue dot org. Just go to the site. And check it out. We'd appreciate any is. We can get. Okay. That's black Jack sitting in police blackjack dot org. Blackjack rescue dot org. Blackjack rescue dot ORG. Yeah. You got it. No, no problem. I'm glad that you do that. Thank you for all your great work with the animals. Thanks, meet you guys some shirts, but I've been very lazy sending them out. So. We'll find your office. All right, Brian. Well, thank you. Congratulations on winning today. Pel? All right. Thanks, jimmy. I'll talk to you. All right. Thanks for playing Brian. And we gotta think Jim eulogy meal for being here. Thank you so much having me guys. Again, we loved having. You know, I'm having the announcement bell net the bandleader Mike Henry, Jimmy Pardo. Thank you guys for listening. Come back. We are once again ready to start playing games Bye-bye robotic. Playing games. With Jimmy Pardo is never not funny. Production produced by Jimmy Pardo. Matt Belknap and Mike Henry distributed by Stitcher premium and ear wolf media music by Mike Henry, Mr. Partos wardrobe provided by botany five hundred for more Jimmy, Pardo checkout. Never not funny in Stitcher apple podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. And be sure to visit never not funny dot com for a chance to play games with Jimmy followed. Never not funny on Twitter. Portions of this program, not affecting me outcome. Competition have been edited. Everybody Chris gathered here dungeons and dragons week beautiful. Anonymous, not really we just randomly had two phone calls involve dungeons and dragons so putting them out in the same week. And that makes it dungeons and dragons week if you don't know beautiful anonymous, I do take phone calls. I take our long phone calls with a non stranger each week. And one of the episodes coming out this Friday, a skilled and experienced dungeon master happened to call in got through online and they'd me on an hour. Long quest that episode. Jeff's Friday may tenth Swede, dick Yetlis. Very silly. I love it. I will murder everyone in this village until I speak to the council. Most of the. Of the bear this time and start killing people until this council. Lets me talk say my piece. You you send your giant grizzly bear companion are watering people in the street. I guess yes. Tuesday's episode though episode one sixty two titled a hero's journey. It's really special out of very powerful conversation with somebody who had not slept in days. I've been occurred like nearly two days now, I just got back this morning from like eight hour drive to go. Check on a friend of mine who is a Seidel last night. That's bad. I'm sorry. She like somebody. We played dungeons and dragons with last night was so first time I actually met her. Thinking about this conversation for weeks, so happy I finally get to share it with you. Her story really represents what I love about this podcast and the community that surrounds it. I hope you check it out subscribed to beautiful stories from anonymous people wherever you listen to podcasts.
Medical Device Design and Development Insights with Dr. Andrew DiMeo, Innovation & Design Coach at Trig
"Hey Outcomes rocket friends thanks for tuning in to the PODCAST. Once again as a leader in healthcare you have big ideas great products a story to tell and are looking confer ways to improve your reach and scale your business. However there's one tiny problem healthcare's tough to navigate and the typical sale cycle is slow low? That's why you should consider starting your own podcast as part of your sales and marketing strategy at the outcomes rocket I've been able to reach thousands of people every single month that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to reach if I not started my podcasts. Having this organic reach enables me to get the feedback necessary to create podcasts at delivers value. That you are looking for and the same thing goes if you start a podcast for what you learn from your customers. The best thing about podcasting being in healthcare is that we're currently at the ground level. meaning that the number of people in healthcare listening to podcasts. Small but growing rapidly I put together. Gather a free checklist for you to check out the steps on what it takes to create your own podcast. You could find that at outcomes rocket dot health slash podcast. Check it out today today and find a new way to leverage the sales marketing and outcomes of Your Business. That's outcomes rocket dot health slash podcast Welcome back once again to the outcomes rocket podcast we chat with today's most successful and inspiring in healthcare leaders. I really thank you for tuning in today. We have an outstanding guest is name is Andrew. Demille Andrew is an innovation and design coach at trig industrial design firm specializing in consumer insights design and branding for medical whole durable and consumer products with a background in NYC Motion Pictures Andrews last twenty years are in medical innovation including being twelve on faculty at UNC and NC State North Carolina. His students coursework led to multiple startups including four hundred and ten medical an emmy. DIC and winning national competitions from NC ES and the NIH founded the North Carolina Medical Device Organization and Co founded EEG Guerrero worked for a Laris medical systems as a design engineer served as a business advisor and speaker for the Wallace H Coulter Foundation and advisor to the NIH c three. I programme director of Duke Neuro Innovations and on the planning team. I'm for B. M. E. Idea healed a BS in physics English literature and Secondary Education from UNC Charlotte and an m. s. n. can be M. E. Biomedical Engineering from UNC Chapel Hill and also a PhD from UNC. Biomedical Engineering Department. You've got a glimpse into this upstanding man and his contributions as well as his very interesting background. But what I WANNA do now is open up the Mike the Andrew himself to round control. Anything that I missed Andrew so excited to have you on the podcast where all know that was a mouthful and very very very kind Ah So thank you so much nothing to add. I really appreciate you have beyond hair today. Hey It's a pleasure Andrew and you know you've you've been so focused August and you've done so many interesting things in the space. What is it that got you into the medical sector to begin with while you know? I think I've always been service service oriented so you know my earliest memories of being in college. I was a tutor tutor at risk kids and high schools than than I was. Just loved teaching mentoring tutoring. I don't know I've always been really interested. In impacting people's lives to be healthy unhappy. And I think I just found that being involved upstream at the innovation. Stage of of medical device design and development is where I found they can have the biggest impact. That's pretty awesome. It's it's your core and you've just found this this area where you could deliver on that core in a big way. You've obviously made in a big splash in the industry work with very influential organizations and companies out of all the things that you've seen Andrew just kind of thinking of today. What would you say the hot topic that needs to be every medical leaders agenda? And how are you guys tackling that it trig. Oh man so what I look at is the question. That's being asked during and do diligence over the past decade. Whether that's a big company looking at their Biz DEV team on due diligence or you know. Investors looking to make an investment in a start up and over the past decade. What I've observed is the question primarily going from you know what's your regulatory pathway to approval? That's what he I used to hear. And then it Kinda change too you know. Is there an existing reimbursement two for this but today today I feel like I hear over and over again how will this change clinical practice and when I hear that question I feel like the bottom line. Is that the change from a fee for service to value based healthcare. Oh care system. Shifts focus to improving outcomes or using cost and and really improving Google clinical experience. So how'd Outta you intact that. How is that address? And our approaches to be part of the product development process early enough to truly understand all the stakeholders and to design a form and function into products to maximize the human experience. So that's the thing I would be paying attention to today. Is this really thinking about improving that that experience for everyone involved and and who's using being impacted by the products that we're making and that's a really interesting call out because when we you are not at the initiation phase of that design process. I think we could lose a lot. So what you and your colleagues at Trig are are doing is really sort of enabling this value based care through the design itself. Can you share with the listeners. An example of how you guys are creating creating results by doing things differently. It's about sort of a non dualistic approach or a holistic approach. I'm GONNA take a step back and say hey you know last last twelve years. I've actually been on faculty at NC State Teaching Design and innovation and what it really came down to is multiple mindsets sets and collaboration. And what I mean by that. Is You know. We need to be innovative outside. The box thinkers while at the same time being comfortable in a highly regulated the environment. And that's not so easy to do. Both of those things simultaneously me need to embrace all of the different mindsets that we ourselves can deploy or those that are on our team have so so things like exploring with a scientific mindset solving problems with an engineering mindset ah understanding user's needs generating solutions with designers minds considering the business case the economics the legal aspects of found around that when this is done well this type of multiple mindset approach and collaborative approach and we have a real shot at developing iconic solutions lucians. It's that wing to wing approach right having those different hats on to be able to to get the result that you're looking for yeah it's not compromising into. It's kind of interesting that oftentimes you'll hear sort of a non dualistic approach to be. Be a compromise. You know like like You gotta be confident but Unbel- and you might say that in sports or something and I'm like no. You don't need to be confident but I'm going to be counted and tumble works about him all the way. All in all in outside the box and all in Following the regulations right. You know it's really interesting when you can bring it together at a holistic it really is. It really isn't an so you've taken this career and sort of you've been in and out out of industry as well as academia which I think provides for a really cool mix of those two Spaces what would you say. Say something that has happened or that. You learned a setback in one of those areas that you learn from that made you a better designer minor or better contributor. Yeah you know if I told the all the failures you'd probably have to start a whole new. Your podcast failure failure rocket failure rocket. Nobody wants to be on that honors. All kidding aside the name of course failed many times and learning from this sale years. It's really really important. And then and the one that jumps out to me when when asked this question is going back back to My earliest days as a design engineer at layer medical systems now as young as I was fresh I didn't have any experience at all all and and I was put on a project to lead a develop a new becky chain. You know vacuum the vacuum still container to draw blood. Yes and the whole idea was say you know. Make this more user friendly for the PLA botanist. They get more comfortable for the patient. You know you make it you know so it could be done on one hand you know Cetera et Cetera and I went back and forth between patient who bottomless patients for about an issue. Trying to understand how the product was going to be. I used and I got got it really far along through the the product development process. I mean we were. We were making soft tools. You know building you know. Production like products to get into the hands of the users and get some some really good feedback. And when you're that far in it's pretty expensive to to the company and as we got deep into the product validation verification testing there was a hiccup and it was it did not they fit in the centrifuge at the lab and it it totally killed the project and it was just horribly embarrassing. The young design engineer. Tom it was and it opened my eyes early to this whole Dea of really understanding all of the people that were going to be impacted by the product that you were developing and all the way down to this decided that that there's like real humans inside clean rooms assembling product all day long and you know what impact are you having on their lives. You know like are. Are you causing these types to have arthritis because you're designed something that is just a pain to put together. We were the people working in the labs that are processing samples. They're coming through. You know I it just really opened my eyes to have a have a full appreciation from you know initial sourcing bringing materials to disposal you know what impact is this product and have on people's lives so yeah. The lesson like the journeyman following the patients the payers the providers and all the impact of stakeholders and and considering every piece of this was a big big eye opener for me. That's such an interesting lesson. Andrew appreciate you You sharing that while and I'm sure you've been able to pull from that experience to help all the designers that you've trained in your in in your years as as a professor there and now backing industry I think the same problem applies listeners. You can apply this not only to design but also a patient going through the care continuum you know whether it be an episode of care or just taking a look at them if you're a pair or an insurance provider really in like hey where are they going long-term care where were they before and it's the same process that we've got to keep in mind like Andrews is reminding us it step big picture and understanding how to impact whether it be a design or patient really great share Andrew. Thank you for that. Yeah thank you so you hit that big bump the product did it end up not launching because of that. Yeah it was a complete failure. We can't pull the product product. Damn you couldn't you couldn't have changed the size a little bit and saved it just. Yeah it wasn't that easy. And and as far whereas like a new product development team was considered before you knew it I was pulled onto a sustaining project. And you only get to cut your teeth so many times Able to grave product talked about men project I got to work on different projects at their Laris. Consigned Hatton on a viol- adapter. You know worked on some really cool. Oh projects at that particular. One was just. It's just a net. Yeah Hey I totally get it and now you're better for it you know we learn more from Mr setbacks than our successes. But let's talk about success. You've had a lot of those successes in your life in this medical field. Can you share with the listeners. Is One that you're most proud of. I guess coming into this especially over the past twelve years. My proudest moments have been when when the students have achieved some some success. You know once a national design competition but the one that stands out to me. It's four ten medical and this is there's a story that exemplifies what happens happens when students and faculty make it real non-academic exercise what happens when hospitals and caregivers opened up their doors to collaboration. What happens happens when an entire ecosystem of academic and professional resources come together to move ideas from the bedside to the bench and back to the bedside so fourteen medical has a rapid infusion device four circulatory shock rapidly abused sailing through a hand pump So this project started out in the classroom in my classroom. Many years ago with students doing observations at a local hospital ask little and it turned into an international design. Excellence Award for trig the company. I'm working with now and how that made it from students observing doctor to start up company to raising money even just all the pieces coming together for the story including leading the local universities down here have angel networks. So there's Duke Angel Network Carolina Angel Network Wolf. Pack investor network is all LUM's associated and folks of the local university system. Who who have you know a network to to finance startups that are associated with the various academic institutions around here and in this particular case in four ten medical all three angel networks came together and invested in the product? Nice trig industrial design came in in and took it to the finish line we've got you know local manufacturing ear North Carolina a rambling medical one of the best contract manufacturers and in the country. Right right here. In North Carolina and they're manufacturing it you know so from from final manufacturing packaging distribution all the way back to the day that it was conceived into the financing. They got it there. It just took an entire village the villagers the RTP region to get this thing to market. And it's saving being little kids lives and to think that what started off as a student project is saving saving little children's lives now. It's just awesome. It's awesome crease. Story and for ten medical is that still the company's name Andrew. Yeah Yeah for ten medical you look it up. You could probably find it right like I think I think it's for ten medical dot com four one zero medical dot com. Love that folks if you're curious about for ten. Medical one of Andrew's proudest accomplishments got pretty cool website for ten the numbers for ten and then medical dot com saving children. Pretty amazing feat that that you've done there with the collaboration of your students and Local industry and now. You're you're trig which is Kinda cool. Tell us about An exciting project that you're focused on at Drake. Yeah you know so something that I'm that I'm really excited about working with Some of the most amazing industrial she'll designers and in the world here. These guys are just unbelievable. But I've been tossing around this idea. I call it the diligence dashboard. I don't know if you're familiar. The business model canvas no for those that might have might have heard of business model canvas. It's it's like visual aid to go through a business modeling exercise and really really useful tools these visual tools. So I've been dreaming up this dashboard. That takes use design thinking and put together diligence. Factors that you would for medical device development like regulatory reimbursement intellectual the property market and technical risks. And what I say about this. Dashboard is that industrial design. Plus the dashboard. Allow you to put it into flight simulation before you ever take off also and so if you think about this if you can really define a really well unmet medical need and start to conceive of solutions for or that need industrial designers. Just brilliant at first of all understanding defining that need and then coming up with realistic renderings of what a solution might look before you ever spend a minute besting real hard designed development resources into you can start to map out these areas. It was a risk and get a good visual understanding of what the journey is GonNa look like and so you can do the flight simulation mode on on multiple all triple options. See if you've got an opportunity to take off on one and then keep your eye an dashboard while you're in flight to 'cause you're gonNA usually typically have to make some the course corrections along the way so that tool is something that I've been conceiving of for a long time but it's really taking the expertise ace of what's under the Hood Trig and putting it together with the heat medical device product development experienced develops new new tools post to help get products to market. That's pretty cool Andrew. Now if you're a an individual Leader at a device company company or some sort of medical device firm. This may be something of interest to you GO TO TRIG DOT COM. You'll see the what the folks over there are up to. And and this project that Andrew is taken up is Fascinating and you guys know Andrew with his background and an experience. Great things are GonNa Happen. Sandra this is exciting. And what's your roadmap like. When are you looking to have this done by? Were implementing immediately you know. It's it's minimum viable product. Time Rice that we've got a version of the dashboard. That's awesome but took US weeks. Students joined amazing joined. trig we started on packing tacking it right away and continuous continuous improvement mode. So we're only going to be adding to sure I think that's so awesome man and folks folks when you when you have a product like this that can help you de risk any of your investment. This is a worthwhile pursuit. Andrew this interviews. Just just been a ton of fun man in the time lies. Let's pretend you and I are building a leadership course on design what it takes to be successful in MED MED device design. The one one of Dr Demeo speaking my language we're going to ride out a syllabus. My man and we've got got a lightning round with four questions followed by a book or two that you recommend to the listeners. You ready sure awesome. What's the best way to improve? The design in Med device specialization and collaboration. It's that end right so when you can be deeply specialized housed in collaborate us the best way to go about it. What's the biggest mistake or pitfall to avoid kind of the opposite of that all in one all in on specialization solicitation or compromising need in the middle I think compromise is the wrong way to go getting too deep into any one? Specialty areas is also a big mistake. I love it. How do you stay relevant despite all the change? I'M GONNA go back to the diligence dashboard. Keep your eye on the importance of the indicators change over time you know. We talked about how we went from pathway to approval to their reimbursement of you know. Now we're really focused on the clinical experience. It's GonNa keep on changing and in and what's important on the Dashboard GonNa Change and so he's gotTa keep our eye on it. Keep adjusting it and never get comfortable with happiness. Such a great call out in as healthcare leaders leaders. We've got to understand the dynamic of these changes Andrew. I really love what you've highlighted here for us in this dashboard right whether it be a dashboard that when you're working on as an organization you always gotTa keep it relevant. What scenario focused session drive? Everything in MED device design values. I think core value uses the most important thing at the end of the day where we're trying to improve improve life. Extend Life Not Happiness health if we can stick to those his core values and do good then everyone will benefit club that. What book or books would you recommend on this syllabus? Definitely van artem motorcycle maintenance. You like you know I do and I haven't in a long time but I love to ride motorcycles. But really you know the book is is really about its dot classical thought processes in romantic thought processes as one thing that they're not the cannot be separated and form and function. This is sort of this. Whole design? Thinking Mindset Forum can exist function and function doesn't exist without form and it's not some kind of compromise is not making something functional and making it look good later. It's not about having something that's beautiful. It doesn't function. Well it's one thing it's one device that is gonna be have both both. This book is a really interesting exploration of what is good and what is quality from both a classical and romantic perspective good. I think it's a key read for anyone. That's interested in innovation and entrepreneurship. There you have it folks take note of that and Ah again you don't have to memorize what we just said. Just go to outcomes rocket dot health slash trig. That's T. R. I G. YOU'RE GONNA find all of the show notes. A transcript of our discussion and all the insights that Dr Demio here is sharing with us. Andrew this is This has been a true pleasure if you can't I'd love if you could just leave us with a closing thought and then the best place where the listeners get in touch with you okay great closing. I thought I'M GONNA say this if you're an engineer. Don't look for a doctor to find the problem to solve. And if you're a doctor you don't look for an engineer to to solve love your problem for you work together work together to solve an unmet. Medical need for a patient needs. And whether you're a doctor an engineer designer honor a business person or scientists whatever you do for a living work together to solve real unmet medical needs for the for the people that need those. His Komo solved love that the strong message very consistent with the theme of the podcast today and Andrew it's the best place for people people to reach out collaborate or connect with you so Feel free to email me. Andrew Demeo at TRIG DOT com you can go to the trick dot com website so we can finally their outstanding and listeners will include that e mail as well as a link to Trig but just to clarify Andrew Demeo it's diy. Hi Emmy Oh you. This has been a ton of fun again. Thank you for spending time with us to talk about design in Med device and being impactful mcfaul. It's been a really insightful discussion. It's my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Hey comes rocket friends. Thanks for tuning in to the PODCAST. Once again as a leader in healthcare you have big ideas great products stored. It's Al and are looking for ways to improve your reach and scale your business. However there's there's one tiny problem healthcare's tough to navigate and the typical sale cycle is slow? That's why you should consider starting your own podcast as part of your sales and marketing strategy at the outcomes rocket I've been able to reach thousands of people every single month that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to reach if I not. I started my podcast. Having this organic reach enables me to get the feedback necessary to create a podcast at delivers value. That you are looking for and the same anything goes if you start a podcast for what you could learn from your customers. The best thing about podcasting in healthcare is that we're currently at the ground level meaning saying that. The number of people in healthcare listening to podcasts a small but growing rapidly. I put together a free checklist for you to check out the steps on what it takes to create your around podcast. You could find that at outcomes rocket dot health slash podcast. Check it out today and find a new way to leverage the sales marketing Outcomes of Your Business That's outcomes rocket dot health slash podcast
Thu. 2/13 - Jennifer Aniston had a Birthday Party and Two More Celebs Got Face Tattoos
"Welcome to these celebrity news ride home for Thursday February thirteenth twenty twenty. I'm your host Kate Raft. Oh my God. Yesterday was such a crazy day so many of you reach out to me about the Jimmy Demille thing. I personally can't stop thinking about how she got in two different car accidents that were caused by her trying to outrun two different swarms of bees. Like it's broken my brain. I can't stop thinking about how swarms of bees apparently follow Jimmy login meal everywhere. She goes it. It's it's too much. It's it's stressing me out I. It's like my brain. Just get songs stuck in your head. My brain just has that sentence stuck in. It's a it's just like Jimmy Meal Outran. Two different swarms of bees and got into different car accidents because of it thirteen years apart in. It's just like that on. Repeat some updates about the Jamila meal thing. Apparently she's been deming with the writer. Who came up with the Munchhausen's conspiracy theory? Her name is Tracy Eakin Morrissey by the way tracy about it on her instagram stories. Saying quote she was damning me for seven hours last night long. After I stopped responding I never reached out to her. She reached out to me. Who's Zoom in who? She also revealed that she's going to release stimulus dams in a patriotic. Only podcast episode. Today Oh my God. This whole thing is wild why is Jamilla deeming this person why is Jamilla getting involved in this at all like she could have said nothing? And then none of this would have gotten picked up. And we wouldn't even know about it also just a sidebar if you of you also deemed me to tell me that none of Jamila Jim Meals. Good Place. Cast members follow her on twitter or instagram and to make things even juicier her classmate. Darcy Carton does not follow Jamila but does follow tracey. Morrison the founder of this Jamila Djamil conspiracy theory. I mean that that he scalding to be honest with you like my hands are burnt from getting all this tease deliver it all. Oh my God. It's too much it's too much anyway. My DM's are always open. If you WanNa talk to me about any of the topics I love when my listeners. Educate me listen. I'm not here to teach you about celebs. I'm heard also listen and be taught okay. We're all students in this classroom. Called hully weird. Today's topic's Jennifer. Aniston had a fifty first birthday party and Olivia Jade and her sister. Bella almost crashed it. Lionel. Richie wants his daughter. Sophia to fail to more celebrities got face tattoos. Doug Hutchison is alleging that courtney starred in faked her pregnancy and miscarriage for money corey. Feldman is about to reveal Hollywood's high profile pedophiles and released a trailer for his paper view. Special about it and finally according Kardashian is officially stepping back and won't be filming as much for keeping up with the Kardashians this next season for the sake of her kids. Here's what you missed today in the world of Celebrity News. Well it looks like a Livia Jada and her sister. Bela who I like to call at Bella because her name is at Bella on instagram anyway. Oj And at Bella tried to scam their way into a hallowed Los Angeles institution on Tuesday night and now. I'm not talking about USC. I'm talking about Jennifer Aniston's birthday party at the Sunset Tower Hotel. I mean I'm joking. Of course they like didn't try to scam their way into John's birthday party but they did have dinner at the same time as that party and it was the same hotel and like the Sunset Tower Hotel is pretty small like you have to wonder if they saw each other. Maybe said hi I mean. Oj's mom is in ninety Sitcom Star and so as Jennifer Aniston. Maybe they've met. I don't know I also. I don't WanNa be shady but I kind of wonder if they chose to eat dinner there because they knew that Jen's birthday party was happening and they were hoping to get pap or something might becoming a celebrity conspiracy theorist maybe probably a well. That's fine that was inevitable anyway. Jen Her birthday party. She turned fifty one. She loves the Sunset Tower Hotel. It's like her central perk T B. H. It's one of my favorite spots in La. If you're ever looking to spend like twenty dollars on a Martini. I highly recommend the Sunset Tower Hotel. I'm sure the guest list was superstar studied but the only people we know for sure that were there were the people who exited like the normal way and not through the underground like back door whatever. Tmz wrote about this saying quote. Her pals were slow to trickle out just a small handful of those in attendance her. Bff and former friends co star Courtney Cox Jewelry Designer Jennifer Meyer Kevin nealon and Chase Crawford. We're sure there were way more guests than might have left through. Other exits Jen's pretty popular in Hollywood. If you haven't heard and quote cheese Crawford was there well it looks like Lionel. Richie is actively rooting for his daughter. Sophia Richie to fail in her newfound career path as an actress I mean not really but he did give quote. That's been super taken out of context and now there's like a million headlines about how lionel want Sophia to fail you know you gotTa Love Classic Celebrity News Cycle you know quote out of context moment the actual quote was about how he wants to fail while she's young so that it builds character he talked to reporter while doing a red carpet at an American idol event and said quote. I told her I wish you. Lots of failure young. We're in a business where it's how you recover. And Yes yes. Yes does not feel terrible so you have to get smacked in the face. I said you're going to have a little bit more of a different time. Because you're coming from a family where they expect a little bit more and quote. So hey you know. Don't project your daddy issues onto Lionel Richie. He doesn't actually want his ardor to fail fail. He just wants her to fail a little bit like just a tiny bit like acute amount of failure. That's fine if you're a celebrity and you haven't gotten a face tattoo this week you need to see here. You reevaluate your priorities okay. Because this is the week were celebrities are getting face tattoos. Okay like did you get the memo? What's going on this week? Started WITH PRESLEY GERBER. Getting the word misunderstood tattooed on his cheek. Then amber rose got her kids names tattooed on her forehead really really a big now. We've got Chris Brown. He's revealing that. He got an Air Jordan three sneaker tattooed on the side of his face. Oh Wow I hope. He got some money from Nike. At least like he's literally wearing like a a shoe on his cheek. It's bizarre but you know to each their own. No judgment rapper. The game also got a face tattoo. His is on his forehead above his eyebrow. And it's a tribute to the late. Kobe Bryant. Tmz described it as quote a sideways. Eight and Kobe's autograph above his right eyebrow which symbolizes Kobe. Forever end quote. I know I'm not technically a celebrity but I feel like I need to get a face tattoo. I think it will boost my fame. I need to get a face. Tattoo you for the cloud. I think I'm going to get the following sentence tattooed on my cheek like in all capital letters. Okay it's GONNA say Jamila. Jimmy got into different car accidents while trying to outrun two different swarms of bees. Thirteen years apart there is so important. It's like such a necessity in my life. I'm so grateful that I have a therapist that I love and I just hope that everyone can find a therapy routine. That works for them. That's why I am so happy. That better help exists. It's not a crisis line. It's not self help. 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You've been waiting for head to Rossi's dot com slash celeb- news today. Okay so this next story is dark as hell but we have to talk about it. Apparently Doug Hutchison the kind of washed up character actor who got headlines in two thousand eleven for marrying sixteen year old child named Courtney start in. He's apparently writing a memoir. It's called flushing Hollywood colon. Fake News fake boobs. He's alleging in that memoir that Courtney and him decided to fake a pregnancy and fake a subsequent miscarriage so that they could get some cash he saying that his now ex wife Courtney who publicly appeared to suffer traumatic miscarriage in two thousand sixteen came up with the whole plant. Fake it for money. He told Fox News quote. So Courtney came up with a strategy. I'm not trying to blame her but it was her idea. She wanted to convince the public that she was pregnant. So we can get paid for interviews and possibly a reality show. He later added quote. It was all about survival. It was all about a way to make rent to pay the bills. It was desperation. I was an accomplice I felt at the time. There was no other choice in order to survive. We didn't think about the consequences. The future unquote delisted. Covered this writing quote since that miscarriage scheme backfired. And they didn't make all the money they thought they would courtney and doug broke up and filed for divorce a year later and quote. Jeez his career iced if this is true and they made up a pregnancy and miscarriage. Like that Sir. Oh so wrong on so many levels but also I don't know if I trust Doug Hutchison at all like I mean. The Guy Married a sixteen year old when he was fifty lake. Not The most trustworthy guy but also why would he lie about faking a miscarriage? Like the whole thing just makes him look even worse than he already did like. I don't know the last thing I want to do is give money to Doug Hutchison but also like I need to read this memoir. I have to read it. I'm obsessed with Courtney started and this whole story. I got dammit the best or maybe worst part of all of this is that Doug released like a weird trailer to go along with his book. And it's so funny. I keep laughing at this one part at the beginning of the trailer. I think it's I wish I could make this into like the theme song for Celeb- news ride home. Just listen to this racism. Sexism betrayal addiction bipolar EGO INFIDELITY DISHONESTY SEDUCTION SEX. Lies Deception revenge greed heartache loss? Welcome to this toilet called. Tinseltown folks my God. Can someone please like remix that for me and like make it into an idiom song or something? I just want something that says. Welcome to this toilet called Tinseltown so funny. It's so funny who okay. Okay okay did I just email? Doug's publisher and shamelessly ask for a free copy of this book. Who maybe maybe just a heads up this next topic about sexual assaults Corey Feldman is about to start naming names of the abusers that allegedly raped him as well as his friend. The late Corey Ham. He announced a paper view. Special via a teaser trailer. It's called my truth calling the rape of two coreys. Oh no they didn't described it as quote a one time pay per view live event streaming march ninth. That stream will be the only time. The documentary will be available for viewing. There will be no repeats nor it'll be available later on streaming platforms and quote. Apparently Corey Haim died. Cory Feldman promised him that he would name names and go public about. Who abused them? I'm assuming this. Is You know what that promise ended up being owner. They didn't explain to the bizarre released strategies saying it's illegal thing they wrote quote. He's attempted to do so for more than ten years but ran into legal issues with identifying their attackers that includes a memoir released in two thousand thirteen in which lawyers forced feldman to change the names to protect his abusers. That's why the documentary has such an unusual distribution strategy since it may stem from legal issues surrounding its content and quote. Well it looks like Courtney Kardashians. Dreams are finally coming true. She's revealing that. She's taking a step back from filming keeping up with the Kardashians after the show spent like two whole seasons. Filled with plotlines. About how courtney doesn't like to work and to film a source told people quote. She is happy to be filming less for both herself. And the kids the source later added quote. As Courtney and Scott's kids get older especially courtney feels that public exposure is not really beneficial for the kids. There are already trolls. That post nasty comments about the kids. They are too young to read about it yet. But Courtney would hate for them to read it as they get older. She feels more and more protective of the kids. End Quote who listen. I'm not a Kardashian Stan. At all I personally think the Kardashian industrial complex is like one of the greatest evils of our time. But am I fully addicted to the Kardashians? Yes should I go to jail for having seen every single episode of keeping up with the Kardashians? Yes that being said. I I support Courtney taking a step back. She gave that show so much of her life. All of her drama with Scott. Disick the disillusion of her like nuclear family. I mean how. The woman gave birth on camera and we saw her poll a baby out of her vagina. Courtney Kardashians spine is broken from carrying that show on her back for all of these years to Kim. Like ever shows anything really raw and real about her personal life. No not really not really. It's mostly just shots of her like doing lawyer stuff. Also I'm sick of watching the same scene over and over again. Where Kim just yells at Courtney for not showing up for filming. It's like it's like watching a boss. Be Rate Their employees for showing up to work five minutes late and frankly it's not good. Tv So I think this next season will be better off without courtney and I think courtney will be better off filming less. I mean it's it's a win win for all of us except for maybe Courtney's royalty shack. Well that's it. That's it for today's episode. Thank you so much for tuning in to Celeb- news ride home. I've bender host Kate Raft. You can follow him at Kate. Raft on everything but please also follow the show at Celeb- ride home on instagram and twitter and please feel free to. Dm Me on the show account as often as you want. I replied like pretty much. Everybody and I love talking with all of you guys about just your feelings in your thoughts and mostly about meal. I have so many so many feelings. It's all very very interesting anyway. some of you have deemed me saying. I need to start a feud with a celebrity so that I can get some clout and I fully agree so start commenting. Deeming me at Celeb- ride home with which celebrities you think. I need to start a feud with David. Lipsky said it needs to be Jennifer Garner and I do not know if I'm ready for that. I love Jennifer Garner. Who would I might have to stab her in the back. If it can get more clout you know what I'm saying. So hit me up with your suggestions. About which celebrity I got a feud with so I can get more listeners. All right Thanks to ride home media into my co producer and engineer Jack. Allison leave us a review on Apple podcasts? And Hey I'll see you tomorrow and love you get back.
#115 Mark Samuel: The Power of Personal Accountability
"The world is changing at a rate like never before so why isn't education strayer university is revolutionizing higher education to help you finish your degree we make transferring credits simple create binge worthy course content that keep you engaged and design A._i.. Power tools to help you graduate welcome to the future of Education strayer university out with the old school spare university certified to operate by chef. Welcome everybody's time once again for the next chapter with Charlie hedges as he explores turning the page age on his life and yours. Hey Charlie Hey Paul. I have a feeling today is going to be a powerful show. My Guest Mark Samuel Is C._E._O.. Of Impact Consulting and has it's been recognized as one of today's leading thought leaders on the power of personal and corporate accountability our entire conversation today will be about the unparalleled advantages inches of taking accountability seriously now now hold on. I can guess what you're thinking accountability Yuck. I'm Outta here but <hes> but hang in because this conversation with Mark Samuel Demille will be extremely valuable. Mark and I go back <hes>. Can you believe this mark. We go back thirty years. Oh my God we we go back at it. May Be may be twenty eight or twenty nine but it's it's it's right there and we go back to my days of just as I began as a consultant and mark was my teacher mentor friend as I began my track as a corporate consultant Stanton. I've probably learned more for Mark Samuel than anybody else about how to manage corporate and personal relationships he taught me how to facilitate critical strategic planning sessions both with a high level executives and mid management groups. Mark is the author of several books but I WANNA highlight to I is the book will be talking about today and that's the the <hes> power of personal accountability ability and the other is as late as best selling book this titled The Beast Not the be state is called be state which offers an entirely new process of management and which accountability plays a major role and mark has mark has is made that he travels the world doing doing his consulting and just makes a tremendous difference and the productivity and relational national if I could say enjoyment but the but the pleasure of working together and and <hes> he is just we we are really lucky we have. We had the greatest guy on the show today so <hes> <hes> mark let me give big welcome to the next chapter with Charlie. Thank you Charlie and thanks you kind kind words and we do go back a long way and it is so mutual I you know so enjoy enjoy our friendship and our our association together. I mean you always represented excellence to me and whatever you do whether it's Coaching Baseball coaching teams and organizations organizations are individuals so it's <hes> it's just really a pleasure to be on this show and in congratulations on having this show yeah well. It's it's. It's I told you we were. We were together over the weekend and as I told you over the weekend is one of my favorite things to do is do the podcast <hes> I enjoy talking to people and my curiosity you know leads me right into this into this <hes> discipline so you you know mark. Let's <hes> let's jump right in and you know I don't I don't I don't do a lot of softball questions. You know I like to just kind of like get right into it <hes> and and I think accountability is a really miss understood topic. It's as I as I said at the top of the show you know that people may WanNa to now because they don't WanNa talk about accountability but why is it that accountability often take such negative <hes> feeling for success. I think the biggest factor in raising that misunderstanding is that we have treated accountability as the word for when you make mistakes you're gonna be punished for it. In other words we hear it all the time you know whoever's accountable is GONNA lose their job <hes> if you know if you make a mistake we're going to hold did you accountable and and just raises fear it raises this need that you know how am I gonna be that perfect all the time and if I make a mistake that then you're telling me not really being accountable which is so ridiculous ridiculous Charlie because as you know from being involved in sports <hes> you know a great batter gets out more times than he gets on base a lot a lot more time and if here my son it's a lot lot more well to see but but the whole issues that you know anyone can drop the ball. Anyone can miss a shot whether it's in basketball or it's in Golfer. It's in Oh you know or if it's missing the ball in baseball and that doesn't mean you're not being accountable. It really just means you're humanness showed up and we are GonNa have imperfections and that's to me the problem with accountability he is it's really took the humanness out of it out of the word and and just left you with this whole sense that oh I have to be perfect or I'm GONNA end up being blamed and what's ironic about it is the blame game <music> actually the opposite of accountability even though people use accountability as the Bl- you know as the weapon to blame people yeah. We're GONNA talk about that in a bit too because I'm I'm really interested in the blame game in the way you define it but that is that is true it is it is used as a negative word. I've not I've thought about that but but we're going to hold you accountable for this and this is your like your performance improvement program is always about accountability. You're going to be accountable to do this and accountable to do that in order to succeed on your performance improvement plan and and it's not used in the positive sense so why don't you explain to us how accountability is a positive attribute. It's actually one of the most core values for our family for us his parents for us as good being effective students or employees accountability is all about how can we can how we can be counted on by ourselves for the commitments we want want for the for the first for the dreams we we have and so the commitments we make towards that dream and how can we count on others and and really if it's a family or work environment it's working environment where we can count on on each other and it's all about family it's all about teamwork and and we count on each other without necessarily expecting perfection but if we dropped the ball than we let people know he dropped the ball. We don't keep them in the dark about it that accountability. It's it's not about being perfect but it is understanding. What what can we count on each other for you? Know let me let me let me give you an example of exactly what you're talking about. I had a <hes> a conversation with the C._E._O.. Of <hes> the charity that we work with and the C._O.. Wanted to move offices and the C._E._O.. Was Not not in favor of moving offices and I took it upon myself to call the C._E._o.. And Talk to him about that and then that was three or four days ago and then yesterday the C._e._o.. K._O._A. Been Outta town in yesterday's see you know C._e._o.. And I had a meeting and <hes> I realized that I heard by talking to him about office space. That's none of my my business. I'm a board member. You know I mean that's that's for the that's for the working people and that's for the the C._E._o.. And C._O._O.. And all of the all of the employees to decide so I I came to him and and said you know I oh you an apology and I want to ask forgiveness. I I got involved in something. That was absolutely none of my business and I just WanNa ask forgiveness for for and tell you that I'm really sorry sorry about doing that and you know he accepted that very graciously and then he called me today and he said Charlie because you are so magnanimous I went and looked at that other spot that the guy was recommending. I've decided to move uh-huh and to me that's so great because what you did and let's let's just peel this apart a little bit you actually made your accountability for your role and your relationship more important than your opinion exact doubts that to me is so critical so often we make our opinions more important written then our relationships more important than what's good for our business more important than what's good for our family and it's not about you being right. It's more about what's are greater purpose and that to me the the piece of accountability. That's also missing we a lot of times make accountability all about tasks or activity as opposed to purpose and outcome and the thing I had to learn over the years because it's not it's not always been the same for me. I've studied accountability. I tell everybody I'm a Stephen of accountability. I'm still learning it and the one big change that happened for me ten about ten years ago now is that it switched from just about achieving outcomes to what's my bigger purpose. How do I be of greater service to my family to my organization to my community to my customers? How how do I raise the game aims so that that is what I'm actually accountable for and yes? I'M GONNA have to have goals and outcomes that I wanted to achieve and yes that's going to translate into tasks and yes I wanna be accountable for all that and at the same time at times I may have to give up being accountable for a micro task when a greater purpose is at stake that makes a lot of sense and and and that's a that's certainly the way a two to run an organization. I know you're process. You use have process. I don't think you call it this few colored agreements for excellence anymore. We change it from that but that's still describes exactly what what the intent he oughta we agree mark had this process that he taught me and it was the first facilitative process that I used with groups and I used it hundreds of times problem. I don't know hundreds but dozens of times <hes> and we begin by saying what is our purpose. What are we all about what we try to accomplish and so we'll spend a couple hours on that and then we evaluate how well are we doing it it and then we take a look at the things that we're not doing well and we really instead of instead of going so much to the business end of why we're not doing it? We almost go to the relational end a why we're not accomplishing that is because this person is not getting along with this person. This person is not doing this this job or it becomes relational very quickly and that's where we do these agreements for excellence and we do these agreements to you agree to behave in X. manner and and the group the group comes together and decides what behaviors arrived for the group and and we work when we don't force anybody to take a position we if they disagree with that we asked him. What would it take for you to do this and they're able to express their opinion? The group will say yeah if you do that that a work but but it all is it's it's so wonderful. It's a wonderful system. You know that you know I if I was still doing facilitation today I would I would still use the same system but it begins with a purpose and that is the that that's that's the goal you're absolutely right. It's both the purpose and yet honoring each individual with our own diversity of differences. I mean that's what's so cool about creating. We now call it a team agreement and this agreement is not just something that we all collectively agree to it really takes in consideration that everybody has different sensitivities different wants desires constraints challenges and as we honor that with each each other it automatically creates its own level of trusting support because now we respect each other for who we are as long as it doesn't get in the way of us accomplishing our purpose and so it's really in my way of thinking about it the most diverse you know <hes> activity you can do with the group because it doesn't even classify people into races you know <hes> religions or <hes> of countries or cultures any of that it's literally by each individual separately each one saying hey here's what I'm challenged by well. Here's how we can support you in that well. Here's a way that I'm channels. Oh we can support report you in this way and everyone works this out all with the purpose in mind so that we optimized how we function together to make the plays. They're gonNA you know help us to achieve our goals are are are you know project success and ultimately our purpose. I I really liked that process. Because what what what results from it is a sense of accountability to the team or the group that you're working with but also to each individual and especially maybe certain individuals that you having difficulty with that you form a whole new agreement of accountability the that can help you get along better with that individuals so there's an individual accountability as well as a group or team accountability. Would you agree absolutely and and the first part of being accountable you in addition to knowing what your purposes is especially in a team or family environment is do we understand each other's expectations of each other like I have expectations of you based on my values based on my upbringing based on what I'm thinking you should be doing in your role but I'm not necessarily sharing that verbally so you have to be a mind reader to figure that out and you don't figure it out now we have conflict and if we don't resolve the conflict now we have a trust issue and you can see how the spirals in a negative way whereas when you create a team agreement what you're actually doing this sharing. What's normally in your head that you actually holding people accountable for but you never? Ever told them that yeah. It's it's. It's contracts that you never signed your health. You're held accountable for a contract that you never signed exactly and you decide you know even read. They signed exactly you know so it takes the mystery out in it makes everyone's humanness start to show up and and again to me. That's the part about being accountable. The first thing we're accountable. Channel Four is our humanness and our humanists includes making mistake not keeping every commitment not keeping every agreement but that's not to be punished really what we need to do then have a recovery plan and and how do we of course correct because that's that in that represents an important word that's part of being accountable and that's forgiveness and you use the word earlier in your story. There's no more important work worked to accountability then forgiveness because we've been sometimes do things that go counter to our intention or what we wanted in fact how many times this is always a great question. I I invite the audience to ask this question. How many times do you make a commitment to yourself and you break that? Oh my goodness on anyone think about that right well. What makes you think you'RE GONNA keep an agreement perfectly with some of someone else who you a a lot less about been yourself? You know this is <hes>. This is a new this is new for me from the Times you know we have a work together for a while but but you're <hes> the humanness part you know I think as a is is something that you that you've added to a component. You've added to your accountability model and I like that a lot and that we that I just I think I just think the corporate environment can way too often be just so tactically oriented so so functionally oriented that forgets we're human beings were people well when we walk in and we don't quit being people we don't we don't quit being human and I'd like I like that you've added the the humanity aspect to <hes> to this to this program well and it's a major issue today because people are getting more burned out on the job that ever there's articles on it. They're actually you know writing this up now. As <hes> as almost like a disease of burn out and part of that is because we're working people beyond what we should be working people but some of that burn out is simply because we don't have accountable agreements in place and so balls get dropped which means more time is taken more we work <hes> more failed efforts and even though I'm working so hard to be successful that doesn't mean I am successful. If we aren't coordinating well communicating well sharing information effectively making decisions that that include each other then it you know I'm working hard and still you know falling short of keeping commitments because we have worked out these accountable agreements with each other we don't even and understand what the constraints are some of the people we depend on and we're just running into each other with our you know conflicting priorities and conflicting challenges you know all over the place causing frustration causing hopelessness and causing us to work harder all at the same time Yeah I. I don't know why you're not doing this with every country. Every company in the country minute is just it is so not <unk> done yet so necessary to understand your purpose working together and then when you when you do have trouble working together you know you may put somebody on a performance improvement. You may hire them Emma coach if if there if that sometimes that's needed to do that but there's many times it's just a simple. Let's sit down and talk about it and make an agreement right and let's see here's the thing though in organizations we expect it all to work. Individually like everybody shows up individually does their part. It's GonNa work and that's not the game of organizations. It's a collective game. It's a collective execution game so this mode of just going to every individual and requiring them to be perfect or blaming them if they're not is is a ridiculous approach. The second part is by thinking it's GonNa go perfect. We never plan ran for mistakes therefore we're not prepared so when a mistake or win a breakdown occurs whether it's a mistake or not a mistake if a breakdown occurs the very first thing people do try to is is determined who to blame yeah. It didn't blame game comes in and the blame came comes in and and of course we don't want to call it blames so we say well. We wanted to find out who's accountable for that mistake right right. It's just jargon to hide the blame game but look at you know your son's tons of professional baseball player. Let me tell you I'm sure in baseball we never expected every play to be done perfectly so baseball teams practice recovery. They expect the balls to get fit it through the infield expect you know problems to show up and they have big cracked this recovery plan who's GonNa backed up for WHO and in how do we make sure to hit the cutoff man and all those things that we even switch roles in positions on the cover for each other right. We don't do that in organizations. We just expected to go perfectly. It's it's really kind of ridiculous you. You know what I WANNA do mark. It's time for us to take a break but you know what I want to do. Is <music> is is something I'm not even sure we can do on a podcast that this needs to be on TV but <hes> I I WanNa go through your you know we're talking about blame but you call it. Did you have this amazing amazing chart that defines of victim and accountability loop and and and do think we can describe that over the radio yeah we can do that really well. People will get it for Sir Okay so let's take a quick break. We're GONNA come back and do the victim accountability loop hi this is Charlie hitches in you're listening to the next chapter with Charlie and my very special guest C._e._o.. Author Inventor Whatever Mark Samuel he does it all will and he has <hes> he is probably he he may be the expert in the country on accountability. He's he's written three books on it and and talking about accountability ability as a very positive aspect and a very critically necessary aspect of especially of organizations but then as he's brought in its is true with families is true with profits this nonprofits anytime you've got a gathering of a group there is an assumed accountability in that group there's an assumed accountability of each brother and sister and mother and father and grandparent and and and we never really stated but that is that's real critical and you have Marquez this chart. I I so wish we were on T._v.. That I could show this chart. That's the victim accountability loop and it begins with an intention or an action or desire and you WanNa go through the victim loop. I Mark Yeah because it here's here's what happens. We all have goals that we want to achieve. We all have dreams we want to accomplish and and sometimes it's just a simple as the task we want to complete but then live shows up and that's why I called the situation and it usually doesn't the way we planned it and some breakdown occurs in life and unfortunately were usually so busy these days and so full of on our calendars with things other other things to do. It's very easy to ignore the breakdown. Ignore the problem and the the the challenge with ignoring a problem is it makes problems get bigger and it's knowledge. We don't have good thinking behind the ignore it. It's like I'm if is a problem. It's because I'm hoping someone else will take care of it or I'm hoping that goes away by itself the problem the challenges doesn't work that way and it just gets bigger but then what people do if they can't wants the problem they sometimes go into denial which sounds like it's not my job. I'm not supposed to do that. I was never told to do that and all these reasons why they should have to be the one that fixes it and and doubt even happens in the home you know sometimes the the the husband and the wife or the partners have certain agreements like you're going to take out the trash and I'm going to do the dishes. Well what happens if something happens were. I can't kick to the dishes well now. I ended up in a you know well. It's not my job well. That's ridiculous. It's like we're here to support each other and and be together on this so you know but there is but then the normal oh I would say the normal human reaction because this is the victim mode. Even though there are many of us at that are said that say we don't take the victim mentality the in this loop we do because it is so easy to ignore the problem and then once a can no longer be ignored. We Deny it's not my fault. I'm not to blame yeah and and your and then we moved to your next phase. We blaming somebody else for it yeah because if it's not our fault it means that somebody else's and that's the ultimate escape so I can play my spouse. Yes I can play my co worker. I Complain Management Management Complain the workers I mean as everyone's their plan I mean now obviously there's one group of people that's the root cause of of all of this and the wants to blame if you're gonNA blame me buddy. This is the group to blatant. You know who that is. Our parents explain to me well. If you're a teenager that need no explanation if anything goes wrong. It's your parents fault. Is someone today said God. Thank thank God I didn't didn't kill my teenager between the ages of sixteen and twenty one because now that they're twenty two you know I'm no longer a moron. You know so it's funny because because we've always got somebody to blamed. How often do we blame? Our parents are upbringing. Wasn't this and you know now. We're in therapy for years because of our parents you know our parents but then but then it is co workers so much that we blame coworkers czar or like you said in sports if if one player makes an error then we'll blame the loss on that player even though you know there are eight of the guys that didn't get hits or multi hits or whatever to into save the game tobacco because that's our job is a baseball team. It's to take care of one another. If if one guy makes a mistake the other guy say don't worry I've got your back. You know I'll come and I'll I'll take care of that and and that's the way that's the way championship baseball teams run championship athletic teams run that way that they are not into blend there each into taking taking accountability in two yeah in in two to working through that so okay so you go to blame. I'm looking at a chart right now because I'm gonNA. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA get a chart from you and hanging in my office just because because I need to remind myself because then you move into the ever so common rationalization I hate rationalization and it's and it's it's so appetizing especially for the analytics in the world because we're going to study the all the reasons why it's your fault not mine and we're going to come up with a lot of justification and you know finding evidence to prove that you don't know what you're talking about. Can I am brilliant. You know whatever never it is to make your case and unfortunately it's it's where a lot of people get stuck and we can over analyze the past and over analyze who spotted is and you never correcting the problem when you're doing that. You're <music> only making it worse well in the rationalization it is it's it's it's a direct refusal to take take you know accountability. I know use the word responsibility differently but I want to say it's it's a refusal of taking responsibility. That's right it is it is and and you've got to be responsible for before you can be accountable. If you're not responsible then there is no such thing as accountability because there's nothing that you're doing. What's the difference mark between responsibility and accountability? Yeah can oftentimes confused word confused language but responsibility is the ability to respond to things which is all about doing something so oh I need to feed my kids or they starve. You know that's what responsibility isn't as we've all seen it in the workplace where you give to people the same responsibilities in one person puts the heart and soul to get it done well the other person does it like a check office. Okay did that and they really don't care about it and they're not concerned about the quality of it. Don't people are meeting responsibilities but one of isn't being accountable for the result accountability. Accountability is <hes> Arvo these responsibilities about the doing of what we're to do as responsibility so I could be not starving me my kids but I could be feeding them pizza and candy and cake all the time in any time. They have an emotional upset. I feed them to come down. That's not helpful because I'm not being accountable for good parenting good nutrition good did life habits. I think that is you just I've never heard you say this before and I think that's a critical critical <hes> explanation and that is accountable for the outcome outcome not accountable for the action but accountable for the outcome right yes and that's the challenge that we haven't organizations because we're really making people accountable for activity and exactly rather rather than what's the result and then if they're not doing it the way I do it on micro manage them but I'm managing them based on activity. I'm not Michael managing them based on outcome if vicious cycle okay. Let's let's get through the let's get through the victim loop so we can get on the positive side so so after the rationalization there is a resistance explain that one to me yeah once once we look at so far in the victim. Loop we'd done everything except deal but the problem and now we can't you know we've we've tried to justify not doing it. The next place the goes just simply resist doing differently and this is where people end up with their close-mindedness IOS mindedness well. It's not the way we do things around here. We've always done at this other way and and I don't WanNa have to change and it's just such again a a challenge because the world is always changing engine so the resistance that we give relates to the struggle we have with change not to actually making the change. It's it's really quite ironic but people resist out of fear beer people resist out of one to stay in control people resist because they don't want to have to do something that they're not familiar with the might make a mistake you know and and that's why it's so important that we create data safe environment for people to make mistakes in a safe environment for people to change so that there there is less resistance but even with that some people are going to resist simply because they don't want to be told what to do and I and and and the opposite is it's not listed that word but in the accountability loop the opposite is instead of resistance sits acceptance. It's it's it's acceptance that I have have played a role in this and and that is requires me modifying my behavior U._k.. So absolutely right and by the way Charlie acceptance was actually in the very first original version of the account as probably. I think why I said that because I was I was part of I. I didn't help design it at all but I was part of when you were first using it. I think I think you started you created. I I read read in one thousand nine hundred ninety six and I was probably with you in nineteen ninety one yeah yeah so but in any case yeah so resistance and then when resistance doesn't work then we generally go into hiding and really hiding from people who are going to hold us accountable we hide by overwhelming ourselves with too much activity so then I hide because I'm so busy I don't have to deal with change. I don't have to deal with the problem. I'm I'm just too busy to do that. Sometimes one of the best ways that people hide these days because there is so much change is we hide by staying confused got us and support any change effort never have to do it. You know I don't get it one hundred percent but I don't get it until you can explain and of course you never can explain it to him better and then the professional victim you know it's not even explaining it to them better. It's can you show me how to do it. Maybe showed me a thousand times. I might be able to get it but by that time now your job not Mike it's really hiding is the you know the master victim skill vasa master victim skill listen the accountability on ability to loop and and and how probably I I want to remind the the listeners that each one of the accountability parts of the accountability loop oop relates directly to the victim loop. It's the opposite side of the victim loop so in the victim loop the first the first <hes> choice is to ignore the problem in the accountability loop the first choices to recognize to recognize what what's working and recognize what's not working and treat it neutrally not as a negative just as a what is your call. It's like sometimes we have to pay more at the gas pump. Well we can bitch and Moan and be you know angry about it or we can just say well. I guess prices just went up. It's more about recognizing what happened in now. How do we respond respond to it then getting frustrated upset because something changed so for me? It's all about recognizing yeah you can never you can never begin any kind of change unless you recognize. There is a need for change. That's right if you don't will recognize and admit that there is a need for change than no change will happen so the first thing we take a look at instead of instead of ignoring the problem we recognize admit the problem and say we've got an issue here now. Let's take a moment on this. Just I'll do this really quickly. Shares just think about in terms of people's health when we ignore that were gaining weight when we ignore that we're not feeling does start getting personal now here mark mill but then it gets worse you know now all of a sudden we now go to the doctor's office and now we've got you know diabetes so we've got some issue that takes a a lot more to to to change it <hes> because we were ignoring that rather than recognizing and responding so there's no shame in having problems it's only what we do with it and so I just want to emphasize that because it did affect so many of our lives today that we're ignoring things that aren't working hoping that they go away by themselves but instead they get worse when instead let's recognize what are yeah and and now I think the next step to me I mean they're they're all important steps but the next step is so ultra critical in the in the victim loop we go to denial we go from ignoring denial but in the accountability loop we go from. I'm recognizing to owning it. It is my responsibility. It's my accountability. I'm as accountable as anybody in the group. Somebody may be. That's their accountability position but since I'm a member of this group I'm accountable for the outcome of this group that means I must take some kind of responsibility or some kind of action and that does that is Jeff Fair and you're bringing up is the is the age-old challenge that we too often played the percentage game of ownership. If I only twenty five percent of the problem in you on seventy five percent of the problem then this is your problem to fix in a in a tree accountable environment. Whether it's a family or business we have shared ownership because nobody has a hundred percent ownership. We all have some part of it now. We can't be involved with everything everything and that's why we have to prioritize but still what we have is shared ownership in making organization successful because no organization or family can succeed on one person's effort ever. I love that I love that that shared that shared responsibility accountability that and and for successful family every family member must own their role and be willing to assist or cooperate with other people to help them in their role. Yes and I'm glad you use the word cooperate because to me. That's another team word like acceptance James Acceptance and cooperation for me keys of accountability now I like. I like the next one because you're going to have to explain this to me because in the victim loop it's blame but but you have in the accountability loop you have we go from recognizing to owning to forgive him. Yeah tell me about forgiving who are we forgiving. Well the the were forgiving each other and we're forgiving ourselves because even blaming ourselves and be rating ourselves for making a mistake only keeps us in the victimless longer. You'RE GONNA make mistakes mistakes and that doesn't mean you're bad wrong. It's going to happen and so the question is how do you treat yourself when you're humanness shows up and the more we treat ourselves kindly but still on purpose not as an excuse to give up not as a reason to you know let to to not still be on purpose or to commit to your agreements and outcomes. It's not an excuse news but it is an understanding that hey I it before you could in in effect Charlie and the example you gave where you're asking forgiveness to the other person for overstepping your role you had to also forgive yourself for overstepping. You're wrong so you know right that was off track otherwise if you never forgave yourself you have been going into a defensive posture and probably never even bring it up to the person you know you're you're right it. Does it does begin with with with self forgiveness yeah and and if you're not forgiving yourself then you can be much harder on other people because then you're using them reflection on you and that's what I've seen people people literally be abused in the workplace was shouting and screaming things like that because they had no they had to be perfect and if there are people that work for them made a mistake then they would torture them because because it makes them look bad and that that's like you know very low luxuria intelligence. We're all doing the best we can. We are GONNA make mistakes. Michael Jordan Miss Game winning basketball shots. You know the best hitters strike out like death doesn't mean they're not being accountable and you know the best musicians miss notes pray along with them like it happens they all talk about it but in the workplace we berate people for it and on. We've gotTA stop doing that. We've gotTa have forgiveness but that doesn't end the model we have to now keep going from a place of neutrality to fixing it but forget this forgiveness is is also a part of something. We talked about a bit ago. It's admitting your humanity because you are going to make mistakes. You are going to fail it. Something you're not going to be able to follow through. You're not going to be able to accomplish publish the task pitcher accountable for and that is that is part of being human you know if you're doing that on every every assignment and we're talking about an issue but but if it just if it just happens and we were going to it it's like it's like people don't know our radio show we had. We had electronic problems <hes> starting the show. There's nobody this nobody's fault. There's nobody to blame at that is it's just it's just part of the part of running a radio studio and and we fixed it in ten minutes and and nobody blamed anybody for anything and I think I think you have our producers users over here giving the sign of the Cross and that it worked and he brought together but but but you know he wasn't he wasn't in this. Oh woe is me you know denial mode sitting back in the back. I don't know what to do. He just took full responsibility and and my gaze my guess is he's not holding himself. Account are blamed for anything knowing. This is just this happens shit happens. You know that's right. That's right and and to me. This is such a critical piece because honestly I've looked at many different models on accountability and no one talks about forgiveness and and for me. This is the key part if you can't forgive then you really can't hold someone else accountable either and that is do you find that difficult incorporations in some in many cultures is yes in the U._S.. It can be very difficult because in fact one client they wouldn't even allow us to use the word forgets. You're kidding. No what would it you replace it with. They the the words they would accept was let go so you let go of the past so let go of your baggage and I can see how that works. It's not the same thing but I could see how that would at least continue the process process process right but it's amazing that corporation with literally have an objection to the word but that is amazing that that's crazy. People think of it as a religious word. It's not a religious <hes> that's right. They would think I could see. I could see people thinking it's it's an it's a religious word okay. Let's move because we're all you know. I've got a bunch more to talk to our running. We're running late on time so we move from forgiveness to WHO <hes> instead of the next side would be rationalized this when you say instead of rationalizing self examination talk to me about yeah. It's really about asking questions and every question should the framed around one thing. What can we do differently the next time so we're not asking questions to figure out the past? We're not asking questions to find blame. Were actually asking questions. About what are we GONNA do differently to improve our communication to improve customer service to improve our teamwork. What are we GONNA do differently to improve our quality to be more responsive to each other to surface a breakdown seen or like it's always about what are we gonNA do differently the next time and those ideas you know are then because with every question you ask an answer shows up? That's where your creativity is. That's where your innovation is but that's also gonNA keep you looking forward rather than backward because even recognizing a problem taking ownership for the problem and and forgiving yourself for making the mistake of of you know based on your humanness is all looking in the past. Now's the time to start looking in the future and that's what self-examination is. What can we do differently than next time? Okay so so the next the next step in the victim loop is we we moved a resistance and you're moving the exact from self examination from taking what did I do. What can I do what is kind of it's kind of a root cause analysis and from that naturally just naturally comes learning yes and really that's what accountability is accountability plus learning learning equals success accountability without learning more equal success learning without accountability won't equal success? Those are the two common combo words that need to be in play. I'm always being being accountable taking action consistent with my desired outcomes and on learning along the way to fine tune to get better to refine. That's the game and that's the game of every professional musician professional rational athlete. It's got to be the game of every professional in the workplace. I love that I love that I'm noticing new emphases you know from my thirty years ago working with you this and and see how you've been learning and incorporating your your learnings from yard hundreds of organizations that you work with and then we moved to the final step of where ready instead. Of hiding we're ready to do something about it. Take Action you call it. Yeah you gotta take action because ultimate learning doesn't happen with ideas. It happens when you gain the experience of how those ideas actually work in practice. Anybody can throw out good ideas. Everyone can have an opinion and everybody has advice but until you put it to action. We don't know what works and what doesn't work. We will certainly won't know how to refine China to get even better results so it's all in the doing it's all in the action. That's going to move forward in create momentum for positive results. That is <hes>. That's perfect this this chart I encouraged it's going to be in the it's going to be in the show notes <hes> but I encourage people to read this book that it's short book. It's an easy read. It's a very enjoyable read and fortunately <hes> mark is a good writer is titled the Power Power of Personal Accountability and and the chart is in there several times and in it's worth it just for that chart <hes> we have come out with a different version of the book. That's called called making yourself indispensable. Yeah I read that I love that concept making yourself indispensable and and the subtitle is the power personal accountability and that's the one that's he'll out in the marketplace so <hes> I would encourage readers to look for that one. Oh Yeah I I I love the idea of making yourself indispensable and it is by being accountable is not by being taking the I'm sorry but the coward's our way out and you know I don't want to be named calling. I'm really not a name caller but it but it is it is a form of well. It's fear let's call a cowardice it's fear fear and and it's and it's and it's been many times very legitimate fear because you have bosses that are caught into this loop and they're quick quick to blame quick to do you know who knows whatever that could be negative for you. <hes> <hes> I I still have a whole list of questions which which I i WanNa talk to you about <hes> <hes> and so. I'm going to go a little bit longer. Policy all is out okay with you. <hes> it keep us under an hour. We'll still be under an hour <hes> and and and I just think mark has such such brilliant insight into this you right you write about <hes> and and I I sort of worded it my way but you write about making your mark on the world in your life in. I like to call it your world because each of us have our own worlds. You know I I I'm not I'm not talking the globe although it could if it could fit the globe <hes> now one thing about this is this is we're moving in a whole different direction folks where we've taken a we've taken a sharp right <hes> and and I think the idea of making a mark requires intention and and how do you help people figure out their intention or I think is synonymous with life goals you know if you're talking about making mark you know what kind of Marquee WanNa make and and so many people people. I've talked about this on the podcast a lot and so many people are stuck in that mark about how can I make a difference. What what difference do I make? How can how can I make a mark on the world you know how might you know it's the the word that we use now also commonly as legacy you know? What kind of legacy do I leave? How how do you encourage people to figure out their intention or their life goals for the first the first <hes> advice I give people is to not think that you have to get it right because even your life purpose or your life intention or how you GonNa Leave your mark on the world is GonNa Change as you grow and evolve you know I I thought it was is gonna be by being a math teacher? You know I thought for sure that was what my lot in life was. I was going to be a high school. Math teacher had the whole thing planned out. I had dreams of <hes> you know House with the white picket fence with the dogs and the you know doing little league in the in the summer you know <hes> but things change and we grow up and we and we evolve and sometimes life has a bigger plan for us and so it again gets back acts that cooperation that we talked about earlier and and to me the importance is take the world's you got take the sphere of influence that you have and how can you make a mark on that and with that and it may be just with your family that you make a mark with and and what and there's nothing I mean that is a marvelous goal that that that's that's a tremendous tremendous. If you make a mark on your family you think of the think of the grandparents to the parents had made a difference in the in children's lives and their remembered for generations at least the couple yeah for sure and at least a couple and sometimes more than that but it's to me it's that's your legacy right there but it could but maybe if even sh maybe you're a steve. Maybe you're not maybe you're a teenager in school. Can you make you mark even in your school oh by being kind of others and not buying into some of the negative bully stuff that's going on these ride and and how people hurt each other it's no let's be a support to each other. Leave your like for me. One of the most recent recent changes I've made because I do a lot of traveling is one way that I want to make my mark is that can I make traveling a little easier for some of the people sitting next to me and maybe that's just picking their bag up and putting them in the overhead overhead bins because ride for me that it is for them or someone who has their hands full saying hey can. I offer the take this down the ramp with you and I'll give it to you. When you're you know <hes> when there's more space or whatever it's like like how do we make mark just with the people white neck and I make my mark by flying business class you? You know I do want to mention because I think it's I think it's important for the listeners to know that you know I've had I've had several different careers. I was <hes> I was a chemical worker. I worked in a carpet mill. I was a minister her. I I was a consultant but in my consultancy I I did three or four different very different types of consulting so you know I say I've had five six seven different careers and and all of them and and then I was a baseball coach which took a ton of my time <hes> and and each one of them. I felt like I had a purpose that I had to that. I didn't have to that I was I was fortunate to be able to contribute to the lives of other people but all of this mark I feel as come together and it came together in nineteen sixty seven and you know <hes> as most listeners know I'm. I'm I call myself seventy even on five years five months away <hes> but I call myself seventy and my work with wells of life with providing access to clean water for hundreds of thousands of people in Uganda. I feel like everything I have done has been in preparation of doing this like all of those all of the activities all the things I learned learned business skills that I learned that people skills that I learned the persuasion skills all of that they're all coming to play and we're saving the lives of forty to fifty thousand children under five and and providing clean water to over four hundred thousand people and you know <hes> can you can you say you're you know you're doing. I mean to me what could I be doing more important than that yeah but but let's make sure the listeners here this that you didn't have that that vision or even that sense of purpose at fifteen and no I didn't have until sixty seven right so all so it's always evolving ration- that's right. That's what I was trying to say so many kids today I call him kids but they're young adult. So many young adults today are caught up in. I don't know my purpose. You know your purpose. Go out there and live and create a purpose for whatever you're doing now in your spear and then allow yourself to grow and evolve and see how that purpose evolves to something greater and bigger as you develop up more and more skill and more life experience I like to look at it at twenty kids in there in their twenties and and early thirties as this is a season where they're casting seeds. You're just you're just cast these seats seen what will grow and brilliant and and hang under that tree that's growing and that is the best description I've heard I am now stealing that Charlie. Oh My oh goodness well. I'm honored I'm honored but curiously that's exactly the best description of it. You don't have to find you. Don't have to find the the the perfect plant when you're in your twenties. You're literally casting out seeds needs seeing how it grows and evolve. There is one more peace though I think to having your intention legacy and it's something that we don't talk about much in when when books talk about your purpose of your intention to your Alexi they don't talk about this much so I do WanNa mention it and I I had to discover this late in life but all of us will born with what I refer to as innate gifts I would even call them god-given ca I I agree I totally agree were D._N._A.. With Them D._N._A.. With them and and we didn't necessarily ask form but we were given it as a gift and and and that can be there could be a steeler yellow inability. It could be even a part of our nature like I think of peak. Some people are detail oriented and you can't turn it off the if you're detail oriented your detail oriented at work on vacation at home them with the team and for anybody who's not detailed. I'm married to my married to her right non detailed people. It's extremely annoying but depend on that absolutely absolutely that's the thing that if that was given to you my question is how are you sharing that as your purpose without expecting acting anything in return for it. It's just what you've been given yeah and you know and you can determine that by how much you enjoy it. How it how it impacts other people are there? Are other people impacted by it. What what is the frequency does that come up that you feel like you need to to exercise this ability? How easy is it for you to her big? That's great. That's autumn. Some people have is the easier it is the more they discount it and say oh that's not that's nothing unique. I just born this way I didn't have to I didn't have to work hard and struggle to get that ability you have that's the point yeah and and if you do work hard and struggle then you become brilliant at it. It's not like it's not like Elon. Musk was born <hes> and an engineer narrow nautical engineer. He taught himself because he's so so brilliant he taught himself aeronautical engineering and he works with the Engineering Department but but he could have just said I you know I I have this capability and just kind of looked at it instead. He practiced it. He worked Don and he he developed he nurtured it. Yes perfect per you know and and that's the thing that I want people young and old whatever's to really embrace. What are your natural gifts that you were born that you were given as a gift to you so that you can share it with others and let that be part of your legacy or purpose or intention just just sharing who you are? You know I want to <hes> I wanNA wrap up our time and I and I just WanNa take a <hes> quote from some headings in your in in your book that that I think would might help our listeners in what are the rewards of accountability. What what what's the upside and you listed for that I just I just said these four things that I absolutely want to be known for aren't to have in my life and you have trust achievement recognition and freedom see that's wonderful and freedom because accountability does give you freedom to do the gifts that you were just talking about yes and and so if we can recognize there's not only do we produce are or or achieve our outcomes we also get these personal personal personal rewards of trust achievement recognition and freedom yeah? That's wonderful Mark Mark you've done. You've done just a tremendous job and everything you've done. You make me you make take me and you make me WanNa be consulted again except I couldn't handle that <hes> just just to come in work with impact and be able to hang out with you and work with you and and get your creative ideas because I love chatting with you always have such such wonderful ideas <hes> and I wanNA thank you so much for joining me on the show today. Well thank you Charlie and thanks for all the additions that you gave I mean and you're welcome to come hang out with me anytime any time that was always such a pleasure in such spirit e bring such wisdom that you bring <hes> you know to our clients I it. Would you know I'm just that that is an open invitation so <hes> <hes> <hes> I thank you. That's very gracious view <hes>. I'm going to close out but I want you to hang on the line. Don't don't hang up <hes> <hes> I just want to thank all of our listeners for tuning into this fund show this is one of my fun is shows ever I think <hes> tuning into the next chapter with Charlie be sure to checks out at our website. That's the next chapter dot life and until next this is Charlie hedges signing off by for now now them at farmers insurance we know the sound of perfect hot air balloon landing and less than perfect one click for more aw underwritten by farmers insurance exchanges and affiliates products not available in every state here comes again lunch Lippi the same old same old or are you ready to take a vacation from the ordinary with the new Jamaican Jerk Turkey sub at firehouse subs freshly.
"The <music> Listen Nicholas has a very important food related question. We had food topics here. Don't we and this is what point does food go from being a your. Emil to being a leftover. When does that happen the same day. Does that spend time in the fridge. How long and what needs to happen to food to go from from food to leftovers? It's not what happens to the food. It's fatness to the eater. Okla it makes I like it already all right so you're eating the food you sit down and have a meal or whatever as soon as you are done done with that meal like I am done eating. I'm finished with the meal. Probably it coincides of do getting up from the table or leaving to go do something else but like you're considered the the eating time is over like obviously if you've never stop eating they'll never be such thing as leftovers constantly eating but presumably everybody eats at some point. They stop eating because they've finished their meal. If you come back to the same table any that exact same food it's leftovers because you finish that ATM meal. It doesn't matter where the food goes are what it does but if you were done with the meal it's different than if you just like get up to go. Get something and come back and sit back down didn't become leftovers while you're about 'cause you weren't done eating. You aren't done with the meal now. You're just resuming the same meal but it's the theater has to have completed the meal because then say it's two hours later and you're hungry and you're like well whatever we had for that meal. I'm going to have it again and you go out of the fridge or whatever it's leftovers. Now could be fifteen minutes then you have to decide that you're done with the meal and I probably a time limit because if you say I'm totally demos meal and you get up and walk into the room and you get three steps away from the table and you change. Your mind hasn't turning leftovers that blackout. You've been very indecisive. You need to clean break I want. I want to have some questions here. That might actually kind of make this clearer one of Adam is. I have occasionally done something where I'm like eating something and I'm starting to get full but my plate is still got stuff on. It and I thought you know what I'm just going to. You know I'm going to let this stay here and I'm going to get that. Maybe I'll get back to it in a little bit and it's like you're taking a little break but I feel like I'm raising a flag at that point in saying. I'm just going to pause this meal. That's on this plate and I'm not abandoning the meal so I think you're trying to pause the meal. How do you get up from the table that has happen. Sure yeah or or or you know we're we're sitting in front of the TV or something. I'll just put it down. Be Like because you think you might find more room in your stomach. Yes Yes yes absolutely absolutely that is that is the thing is this has been a lot but I might want more. I'm not sure I mean it's. It's clear that you're not clear that. You have not finished Demille like you've given me. I think that's right so my other thing that I wanted to mention that I think might solve your example that you just gave which is there's a concept of like the meal meal being ongoing but your part in it networks like you check out and then you check and I'm thinking of like <hes> <hes> a it could be like a party where there's like a buffet or something or it could be like on a Thanksgiving or something like that where you do you step away and the food is still kind of going in there still people sitting around and they're still sort of like partaking in the food is still out and then you return and say oh you know. Actually I do want another role or another piece of Turkey. I feel like that wouldn't count as a leftover because even though you checked out and check back in the meal didn't end and so you're sort of just just a coming back for more the buffet face situation. That type of thing seeds some control to the meal itself as opposed to you sitting down meeting a single serving thing for a meal. That's in front of you you but the buffet situation the buffet decides when the meal is over you can walk away and come back as many times as you want but as long as the buffet exists right but food out forever and eat buffet decides when the over at somebody's house like if the if the hosts put the put the Turkey in a in a box and put it in the Fridge Bridge and then you come back and say hey I actually wanted more Turkey. That's great but your argument would be that. It's leftovers. 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"Don't some headphones Amazon rich and yes yawn add listen to my show low people. Welcome to my show couple of. Jaipur until the Dow. Discussing a topic or goal beware yes. I do mean it and it is currently related to the situation prevailing about the Kobe nineteen. Pandemic and I think in this time, we all are kind of ready nobles and. Pike and the now moves and the. Positive Cases Emerging Day by day and. You know all the vaccinations treatment spear seriously waiting for that to see the light one fine day and when we are going to come out of this doc times and they're seriously very surprising casals also coming up people. If you just look around the news, I found one such keys very disturbing. Seriously you may be no as well. Now, this woman who I'm talking about she works in the mall in the Maharashtra, state Rowdy district and she happened to get hustle. Tested. For calling nineteen after an offer Khaliq, succumb to this pandemic and admitted. Due to the same over there and as a precautionary measure being primary contact to the Kobe nineteen patient she taught. She would get herself tested and when she overshadowed the lab, she found a made technician and as we know covid nineteen tests it. Requires Swab from your a nozzle. From your nose and Of that fact, and after her NASA's Fab was collected by the main technician of it was I mean? It like negative for her, and then later the meal technician he all that this first test of Corey nineteen, we really cannot allow to the infection. So you are supposed to go ahead for the second test does wealth. So what was the second test which landed does woman into all? Fall. In. This pandemic situation people are mind suddenly stop working in the right woman didn't observe. This is seriously I happened to observe a changes inside of me. I have act abruptly out Tucson situation emergency situation I completely go blank because somewhere in the subconscious might. Offer like haunted by this. Pandemic Kunal bit I will I get to this virus and all such things? So the same thing happened with this woman now Milan demean technician he told the lead that you have to undergo one more test for this and she was like she she sees Lee didn't get quite surprised because at that time she was very nervous because. She was a primary contact off Kobe patient so she wanted herself to. Be completely devoid of the infection and. She told why not you know let's go ahead with the other test and he took her to a Yoda room they're upstairs and. You know what he did. He collected ops from her private parts. Yes. You heard it. Right he collected the swab from vagina off the woman and. He are completely standard died. Oh. Yes. This is the Cohen. This is part of Kobe test. And the women, no, she blindly she. Allow demille technician. To get her swaps collected despite. Being. Reluctant she even asked, don't be have any female technicians to. Collect the vaginal Fab so and that. Technician was like, no, we don't have madam. You know. I mean you are in a critical condition because you're applying ready contact. So You shouldn't be waiting for a female employees to come in. So I'll be conducting the she went ahead and later when she came home. She she she was like completely You know she came back to her senses. I must say like the she came back to her centers and. She was like, what? What? What happened with me that was the time she realized what happened with her. Yes, the lady was addicted exploitation and the meal technician as booked under the charges of rape I, mean just the situation itself is. So Patty go to even narrated cicely I'm falling shy of words and this. But then how Jewish around those people be all our you know we just here towards positive and negative in this whole two, thousand, twenty year I. Think we are going to surpass it with the same things using the tool fraser's so we just only believed Kobe warriors yes, we. Don't discriminate between the male or female because at this point of time they are like a Goto us when we confidently trust them, I mean how come such devils Arab out of them it is like unbelievable. How can? You know such woman per words. Can't even take advantage of that situations where now when the woman was so much worried you know do. Gunman take the test and when you oh, you don't completely take bondage of her and. Ask her to take a swab test and we know. This is the time to just stop. Stop believing stop trusting people just like that. Just own-goal blind all the women out there have some knowledge about whatever the situation prevailing outside get a book handy about what exactly is co weird what other tests to be taken as we know The Kobe nineteen test, it does actually of two types the first test which goes with our CPR testing, which the sample connection You know sample collections from your nose. You know the nozzle partner is the news fouts collected from there, and then tested the samples tested positive negative, and the second test, which is a conflict Cheetahs to, which is called antibody testing that is your blood tumblers. Taken and. After forty eight hours, it takes forty eight hours and it checks for the antibodies against the coronavirus. If the antibodies are present if they're women there and the blood tumble, then your. Lakers conform to be a positive or negative. So these are the only two tests right now. So just on be blind violence going to hospital or any kind of lavender's. Stop and ask them some questions You know make sure what the cheek -ment. They are. You know catering and what kind of medicines you're taking have some knowledge destroyed Google the teams you know? I seriously feel I, mean how how come she wants to be frank because we live in a society where we really need to be very careful before even putting a step forward seriously woman mid really need to learn many things once we just come out of the four walls. So you know when the technician many the visuals Fab I mean. It was. So it was a mistake of the women too I mean, how can she just because everywhere we do here in the news and the newspapers or Internet everywhere it is there. You know there are only two tests available. That is RTC are the antibody testing. There was no where mentioned anywhere that there is a giant testing as well. So it is time to fill up your socks men just make sure you have complete knowledge of things which are going around on just get forward and If you buy, you know like final VR unlucky and you face any such kind of situation or even hesitate to just come up and just put up a you know a case into suppose because the people who take advantage of this critical and crucial situations i. see you just say they are not humans they don't belong to the humanity. And Guess. just beware be makes your of what all the tests you're being undertaken or the treatment what you're being availing it all. Correct and make sure you're equipped with the latest information as well. Ladies. Have a great great and good luck stay safe as in the next episode yours lovingly Ada.
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How to Stay Motivated When Your World is Spinning
"Hi everyone this is Greg. Perry and it's early in April and the this point in time. I'm still lockdown during the Credit Boris pandemic period and hope that Everyone that's listening these Stein. Well and staying up and stay positive. Sorta thought I would focus on today in. Today's podcast is talking a little bit about motivation. Because somebody that we already need right now. How do we stay motivated at times when things keep feeling like they collide from all different directions a world spinning around us? It's hard to keep stable feet how to stay balanced But it's really important to stay up and stay motivated. The first thing I want to acknowledge is that motivation is not constant. It's not like a running tap that's constant all the time it's very natural research will show you and you even know from your own observations that it ebbs and flows. It comes in waves. Sometimes you feel incredibly motivated and nothing can stand in your way and other times you feel down and depressed and a bit sad or maybe things just slower in in particular times. So how do you stay motivated when you feel like there's a whole lot of obstacles and challenges around you photos worth exploring that topic given the situation that we're all facing around the world right now? I think the first thing to think about in terms of motivation is the goal of the thing that you want to do. Make it incredibly visual right down to the smallest minute detail. The think about the goal the plan that you have in the most realistic wise that you possibly can sophie sample if you were to close your eyes and picture that goal in your mind whether it's a thing or even a behavior or experience plan to have needs to be incredibly vivid zig ziglar used to sign up the reasons of big enough the facts. Don't count if something means so much to you. There's no obstacle that get in your road and motivation is really about that. It's about not giving into obstacles. Seen Way need to go and having no Barriers or an issue or anything. That's going to actually slow you down. You need to make sure that you you know your plan is is is concrete enough to go from where you out to that point in time And you're not that plane copy clear unless you know what that actual experience when you get those going to be like I mean. Have you ever cried? Demille so not set. You'll mathematics. She celebrates your body will actually make changes in response to your minds to what's happening in your mind. Your mind arguably doesn't quite night the difference. You might think about your favorite meal right now. Your favorite Dessert or something special to you and you will celebrate because your Bryant automatically triggers his physical response because it becomes a real in your mind so that visual plan needs to be so vivid in your mind that the rest of your body doesn't doesn't have any different that You become so motivated because that picture is incredibly clear. I mean. Think about the smell of new car certainly. When I was younger I went into a brand new car that that smell was incredibly vivid to me and I know now any time I get a brain you coward. Has that unique smell thinking about it right now? I can almost smell that that that bad experience. Maybe your goal is to signing you deal. Maybe it's to make a new agreement mean pitcher the handshake pitcher the the experience of the handshake. What it's GonNa feel like to shake that person's hand small one day face more importantly the small on your face. If that's incredibly vivid you will inspire other emotions in your body to become divided and to get over the inertia. You might be facing right now. You'd be surprised you'll hot right will increased your small easier The goal is easy to achieve if that planner experiences. Incredibly vivid. In your mind so right now during the pandemic period you might think well. It's really hard to to to critically pitch goals. Because they don't know what's going to happen next. You're you don't know what's going to happen next. You don't know it's going to be either tomorrow. Probably not or in several months. You can't plan for that but you can plan for the in goal you can plan for what it is you want. You might not be able to create the time periods yet but you can be incredibly vivid about what that goal might be the other thing you can do now to stay motivated as you can try to Cooley list. All the reasons you want to achieve the goal. You may know the what you want. Buddy you clear about the why I remember several years ago One of my coaches will mentos. My boss said to me. Where do you see yourself in ten years time and our member very quickly? The like the elevator speech. That people talk about quickly routed off the job position in the location the job toddle and the location and respect to me is but what is it about that position that you want. The next response wasn't as fast. What what is it about that physician that I want and I forbid associate and I realized that for me what I wanted was to be in charge of and responsible for large groups of people to be able to swipe an influence lodge groups of people who could then go out and make a difference in the world. I wanted to be influential. I wanted to be out of persuaded. Influence wanted to have impact across the world and not just in small groups of people. But you know on a large scale and that was really powerful to me because it realized that that job todd that I had previously used as my goal was self limiting at the time I wanted to be the principle of allowed school in my capital city will that was. I not necessarily the best golic giving us off because there were many other things that would help would would satisfy those same cravings or or that. I wanted for me. I want to build a legacy by developing capacity and other people. I wanted to build a legacy in the sense that other people within go on and do significant things because the positive influences I had. That's five more lofty. It's far more exciting. It's far more vivid and interesting to me. Damn what that Job Taught. A was which effectively was a title a desk and a chair in a location. So that's my example but think about what your goals are. And what is it about that? Goal that so important to you. I mean you want my money. You might want certain things but is the money you want what you can do with the money for me. Money gives me choices. I got excited about the choices that more money would bring me not the money so again tapping to think about what you want but then think further about why it is that you want that thing another important for motivation. When things are coming at us from all different directions is to break the goal. Danny Dema smaller pieces so for example. You might say that you want to be right later. Very intangible it's a very big picture. I mean big pitches important. But how do you break that down into a small smaller pieces? One of my Elliott. Podcast talked about how to make leadership behaviors unconscious habits. And what we need to do is we have to create mice. Swath of smaller behaviors around other habits credit swarm of of smaller habits around Lodger Habits. Say Look I want to want to become feta exercise more. Well maybe the first step is just the closed I put on in the morning. I put it on exercise clothes or my putting on work clothes from Steinem. Ib John I mean those small small steps may we laugh at but they're the smaller steps towards medium range targets need to think about the rewards that will give us along the way set rewards to me. I love coffee so to me. It might be setting a small habit or task and then then having a NAS coffee in response to achieve that. I want to get that job done. I mean behind closed doors might be a punch any air and a and a small in the mirror but you do need to reward yourself. Even in small ways about the small step she typed towards those goals but again have the big picture goal but break it down into what smoke pot so that you know. You're taking small steps towards that backward map scaffold. Break it down into the small steps between here and we will achieve you go. You need to have a really carefully planned strategy as well. You need to know what you need what you going to do between here and that follow place. It needs to be clearly planned out. And he's cheek and that will motivate you by having that clear plan. You know that you're going to go through step. One step two step three and eventually each steps will reach that final goal but then yes we know that there are things that have happened like right now the pandemic and and other smaller things that can happen. That can push us off out of her pathway so also in that. We need to have a flexible plan. It's easy to get demotivated. If the only one plan that we had stops completely needed consi another way rounded. Have to reframe that you need to have a mindset and know that the plan your city now change it might need to change and it could change for the better. You don't know this. Obstacle is good or bad yet shannon. My Wife's father often said you don't know if it's bad yet. Dumpy subset because this month actually put you in a better direction. They might be a much clearer. More exciting in foster plan. Because of this you might get to reflect on what's been happening in your current plans and find a better way so be planned. Have a clear strategy have a clear pathway from point A. Point B. but also having that plan and awareness that you might need to change things that could be a better a better way. The other thing you need to do is build a strong network around you and and help get help and and get access to all the people across the network that you know can support you. We often assume that leadership is about courage and determination and being single minded on our own almost and that's not true. There are a whole lot of people that have shaped behaviors and experiences in life. So far need to listen to lots of advice and have strong networks around us of people that know more than we do about certain things I know. I don't have a perfect profile on either some things that I'm really good at and other things that I need some support and encouragement or assistance with knowing that and pulling him that support when you need. It is very important strongly. Hanis the talents of people around the Branson said once that you have to have the courage to employ people that are better than you in certain areas of your work. That does take courage to that because we want. We have this traditional view that leadership leader knows everything but we need to have better people in Esso's around us if we would accelerate towards their goals we have a running joke in family between Shannon. Oi that we're both not allowed to be dead at the same time we have to tight and by accident. That's generally true what I'm saying though. Is that when one of us is? Dan The other person's role to lift the other up. We might not always get it right but if you take that same principal across your network might know that when you're a flat and when you're not sure what to do next and when you need a little bit motivation there's a good chance is someone in your network. It's feeling more positive than you are or that on that day. I'm not saying lean on them and pull them down. I'm just saying spend time with them. Dark dwell in the negativities or the or the way that says crush w but spend time with people that are more up than you are right now because it will rub off. The other thing we need to do is is plan ahead. Knowing that momentum does shift and change as I said it's like a momentum is local wave it ebbs and flows. Sometimes you really up and sometimes you're a bit flatter and sometimes you down you need to plan into. Vance know how to deal when that motivation is flagging when when when the momentum is changing. Think about the things that you might be able to do to remove those obstacles to get yourself back on track. I mean for some people. It's music For me it certainly exercise shadow often tells me. Hey you haven't tried for days you training tomorrow and that's a reminded to say you're off your but you need to find what's good for you That feeds your soul and feeds your motivation. I'm very aware about how social media and news can really affected US particularly in these. This time of this chronic pent crowd a pandemic. We know that the news is just keeps coming at US. All the time and there are positive positive news by a lot of its negative as well so maybe get the facts. Keep up the news but don't spend too much time in it. Certainly there were times for me particular when I'm home on my own where all choose to turn music on just random music. I'm not I wouldn't describe myself as music level like some people might but for me music. He's uplifting as well and turn up the music real loud but just loud enough to to to be clear that that's my number one focus so it might be something. I'm unmotivated to wash the dishes or unmotivated to do some email. Tosks Ormond motivated. I'm just not feeling great. By turning that music con- It shifts the whole atmosphere for a period of time at what size other things out. I'm also a big Fan of not fighting the negativity but moving in another direction. We have this internal dialogue all the time. We're always talking to ourselves. We're talking to ourselves in positive wise or negative wise. Just be much sincerely but I know that we have these internal arguments with ourselves now on we we. We argue with our different positive negative emotions and try to fight negative at times. I think it's far better to to maybe distract a move in another direction. If you recognize that you're not feeling particularly motivated. Just move into another space physically or mentally. Think about something different. Turn on some music go and do some exercise Do some things that fuel positive energy for you. Some people like to do positive self talk. Some people may maybe gonNA have a show. Maybe your clothes. There's been times when I've had Points where I was not motivated. Maybe I was working from home. This might be for you and other people laugh at. I dress up. I get up in the morning to work that I've got some really important things that need to be done. Even no one's going to see me. I get dressed not with a tie and a suit but I get dressed properly because that's going to change my mindset. I'm in business mode. I mean workman. I'll get some stuff to get done. It needs to be done with quality so for me. I'm triggering positive thoughts by changing my physical presence having a show making sure my has done properly making sure that I'm dressed correctly making sure that of credit. A positive workspace on ready. I'm on fire and I'M GONNA make a difference. The other thing we need to do is continually. Check him with a core reasons. Why we're moving forward why we're on this direction. As a child I remember wh- we believed as a family very strongly in setting goals. My family always encouraged US. My sister and to to set goals even small ones large ones and we would put images of those goals on the fridge and we will know that in most people's houses they have kitchens plus we spent a lot of time. We will pass a free. It's very often and I remember my. My parents had pitches of cod. They wanted to buy a house. I wanted to buy and even as a young teenager chart. I had pitched of things that I wanted as well. And it doesn't need to be materialistic things other. It could be an image to represent something that you could be an evening's it represents an experience you. Maybe maybe you want more freight and sought to pitcher of a of an all under a holiday caught like but it's freedom that you actually want the image will has to be meaningful for. You said the brains not clear about the talk about the difference between fact bill fiction. You'd be surprised what positive reactions can happen in your body when you see images that represent something really positive to you right now on my fine my screensaver on my phone has some key statements. That are remind is to me about what I where I WANNA SPEND. Much energy It because I spent a lot of time on my phone sadly but every time I pick up my mind. I say those three statements in my screensaver summer monitor. What's important there's been times I've had peaches of Of My wife's shadow on my phone. Sometimes pictures of my children sometimes pitches of a holiday all the things that are really valid but important too. Because that's what I see regularly and suggest that with any goal that you have equally when you've got some negative forces pushed on your right now is put in front of your face on a regular basis. What it is you want him watch really important again coming back to what I said earlier. Not just the watts but think about. Why is it that that will bring you satisfaction and make sure you put reminds you yourself there all the time? We'll send you to see the bigger picture the grain plan. We need to know where this is going. Because I mean this is life is about a marathon. It's not about just a short rice so thinking about what the long pitcher is think back on your loss so far what. You'll laugh experiences. I've certainly had some barriers and or conflicts of had. Some tragedies of had some things happen in my life for at the time I thought. Run some insurmountable. I thought that it was a total blockage of my plan. Forward a thought there was no way I can get through it. I couldn't see the end but we know that's the way law is if you've got an obstacle right now assembling its in the rob tickly based on the current global economic issues or whether it's it's more local family directly work related. You didn't know if it's good or bad and also you don't help. It's going to be Dave them up your reason that's put in front of you and there's a better way to get around this those small. Barry's dumb represent the full story that represent the full grand plan. I'm fifty years old when I look back on my law for fifty years. There's certainly been many obstacles along the way that that at the time of thought with huge but in hindsight another that would that would just small steps on a big puff. We need to stay focused on the bigger pitch of the Grand Vision. The mission that we have in terms of what this goal is you may get. There are many different ways as many different ways to achieve. It died a scene. That the plan that you originally set is the only plan to get the again. You don't know how close you are Fiji motivation. Keep walking forward. We know that you and your family and everyone around you rolling this together. That motivation is a mental thing. It's not a physical thing. It's a mental thing. You can overcome mental barriers through a range of different strategies getting support from people around you knowing the history of things in the past that you've got through that you didn't think we're achievable but more importantly really stay focused and clear about what that end goal. Is Mike Your appetite so strong that you'd not? There's nothing that could possibly get in the road when you want something bad enough. The facts don't count. It doesn't matter what obstacles are in the right. It doesn't matter what challenges you might think. You need to face if the reasons of big enough the facts and the obstacles not gonNa Count so stay motivated. 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The Value of Dads Episode 75
"Get ready for certified. Usda prime gun stuff on the Gun Guy TV test. Hi I'm Joel Persinger, the gun guy. Thank you very much for all of your help and support of Gun Guy TV and of the podcast I'm extremely grateful for everything you do, and I know I say that. Every time I started video or every time I started podcast, but it is important for to me least to thank you for the fact that you support me the way you do the fact. That Gun Guy TV's video youtube channel is growing the fact that even on other channels like bit shoot, and Demille and show on our subscriber base is growing. A little bit is incredible, and the fact that this podcast is growing in listenership is amazing to me. I'm just I'm touched by that I'm humbled by it and I'm super grateful, so that's why I want mentioned every time listen. This is probably going to be a little bit of a rambling podcast because I don't really have a plan for it except to express some things that I think need to be expressed in troubled times as a result I'm not gonNA. Talk about the troubled times. I think we talked about that enough, you know. My son was showing me a tick. Tock channel that a young man has done about. And I. Guess He's a landscaper. These doing this great channel about grass, because it's something kind of funny and cool, and he could talk about lawns, and he makes it really interesting, and it's something other than the violence and the hatred and the discord and the civil disobedience and the destruction of public property. That's going on right now in our world. I really appreciated that so I thought you know I gotTa talk about something else, so we're gonNA talk about. Some things that are near and dear to my heart and I think that are important, and fortunately, because it is the Gun Guy TV firearms podcast. We're GonNa talk about firearms related stuff now this podcast is going to be structured in the same way, as I normally do, which is I've got the first half hour of the PODCAST, which is publicly available on your favorite podcast player, and then we also attach thumbnail to it and make. Make a video version of it. There's no video just a thumbnail, but we posted also on Youtube and the other video distribution areas for you, because some people prefer to find it there, but you can also find it on iheartradio apple podcast, Google podcast, Stitcher Pod, bean, and places like that. If you want to download it on a regular basis, you'll find it there now. One way you can support this podcast if you'd like which costs. Costs you absolutely nothing is. You can use our. Amazon link when you purchase things on Amazon. Amazon is not by any means a gun friendly company, but still a lot of people use it. I know. I do just because of convenience and price and things like that, so if you have Amazon, prime, and it's convenient for you and you want to Amazon. This is a way for you to pick Amazon's pocket a little bit and helped. Helped Gun Guy TV fight through the K. Austin survival this mess. You can do that by going to our website at gun. Guy Dot TV gun guide dot. TV, and then on the upper part of the website. There's a little rectangular banner. That's a an Amazon shopping banner. It's not very big, but if you click on that, it'll take you to Amazon. And that page it takes you to. We'll have our link in the URL Once it takes you to Amazon. If you bookmark that page and then every time you shop Amazon. If you go back to that bookmarked page to shop Amazon you're starting off with our Amazon, link effectively in everything you buy on Amazon doesn't remember. It really doesn't matter if it's firearms related or not. We'll get credit for and we get some marketing credit for we get a little marketing feet doesn't sound like it will do a lot, but actually it's quite significant, and it helps out a lot with trying to keep this this podcast go. And keep the channel going because we don't make a ton of money doing this. It's not my primary source of income. My goal was just to keep it going so I can keep you informed as to what's going on in the world. All right having said that generally I. Tell You what I'm GonNa. Talk about in the second half of the PODCAST. That's going to be on Patriots only for patriotic subscribers, but at this moment I don't know what I'm. GonNa. Talk about the second part of the podcast like I said. This is kind of an unplanned podcast. Here have really given it. It a lot of thought, and perhaps along the way here as we go through the first part, something brilliant will pop into my my head, one of the three remaining working brain cells in there and come up with something I'm going to talk about in the second half and let you know what that is as we go. Yesterday was father's Day. So I'm a little bit late in getting this podcast on. That's primarily because we had kind of an important birthday in our family a couple of days ago and then we had father's Day. So you know you have the family events. And they tend to to push everything else aside, and that's what happened here and I think that the same time to i. personally needed a break from producing things for a couple of days, because the in order to produce the gun stuff. I have to keep an eye on current events because one of the things I try to do I'm I'm not as dedicated to it as I, have been in the past, just because time and space in place, but what I try to each day is post some stories that are gun related, or in some way affect our second amendment, one way or the other on our social media platforms on facebook and twitter now. Now, I don't have a personal facebook account or personal twitter account or any personal social media accounts. I don't WanNa look at it. It's too discouraging so I don't do it, but I do have the business ones for Gun Guy TV, and for practical defense systems, and I try to postings to keep you informed on their each day, and as a result I can sometimes get overwhelmed by the news of the day. The reality is when you look at the news. You just feel like the world is coming apart at the seams, but in reality for us in the person or household, it really has not affected our neighborhood or our town. There haven't been any riots in our town where we live. There haven't been any real prominent protests in our town where they live where we live now. They have happened in San Diego, but we don't live in San Diego. We live in a suburb of San. Diego on the outskirts. There haven't been any none of that has really occurred here. There's been no civil unrest here. You can still go for a walk in the neighborhood. You can go to the local store. You don't have to worry about bumping into any of. Of this stuff, show for US certainly the Chinese virus Kobe. Nineteen thing in California has been kind of tough because you got to wear a mask when you go in a in a business or whatever, and and there for a while we were sort of shut down, and a lot of businesses were shut down, so that part has been difficult, and then we, we haven't been able to go to church and actually go to church and so many of our. Most of them, I would say are people. We know in church after almost thirty years of attending the same church, so we don't get to see our friends. And that's kind of tough to, but other than that. We have not faced the violence or the hatred. Personally that you see in the news every day because we don't live in an area where that's occurring, we have neighbors of various different ethnic groups, but we know each other. We are friends. We like each other and we don't so. We don't have that kind of thing going on here in. In Our neighborhood people don't generally see race as the first part of someone, we judge that person if we judge them at all by their actions by their attitudes by their character as Martin Luther, King would say the content of their character rather than the color of their skin or the language that they speak, so we just don't think that way. As a result, it hasn't really affected us. So as a result I. Gets me last night. I woke up this morning about three o'clock this morning. I think and I could not go back to sleep. Primarily because woke me up as I had had nightmares about the violence now, not somebody being violent toward me, remember my family just violence the senselessness of it. That I have to look at in the news when I'm trying to post these things for you each day on facebook and twitter. It really disturbed me. I got up. just went ahead and got up came water. I work from home, so I went to my office. Shut down and charter, doing some things for work because I just couldn't sleep. You read my Bible or whatever and then I went back to bed, and I got some sleep to catch up a little bit for a few hours before I actually went back to work again. But that's the level to which it troubles me and I am grateful that sometimes people will produce content that has nothing to do. With any of that stuff. I'm extremely grateful for the guy with the rash. Yard, landscaping channel you know. I've been watching a lot of camping channels and that kind of stuff because I love to go. Camping loved to go hunting, and we bought a a new wall tent were waiting for it to show up at Kodiak Canvas wall tent, and a few other things, and as thing show up, we get more and more excited about the opportunity to go camping, hunting and Sean. Yesterday? I gave a lot of thought to my dad and to the father figures in my life and the things I learned from them. Now had a number of father figures in my life I had my father. And then my mother and Dad got divorced when I was a a small kid when it was not fashionable to do so in the very early sixties, and then she remarried to a gentleman who was a war veteran from the Korean War, and I think he had ptsd, but it was undiagnosed at the time, so he was a heavy drinker, and then when he got drunk, he was very mean. So he was a tough cookie. He ran the house like a like the staff sergeant. He was when he was in the military, but I did learn a lot from him. Not firearms-related, but I did learn a strong at work ethic from him. I learned a trade from him I came out of high school, knowing a trade and able to start working in the masonry, trade, brick and block trade, and I learned that from Wayne was his name so as As the years have gone by. He's long since passed away, so my dad, but as the years have gone by been able to to forgive the difficult times I, had with him the things that he did and look at the positive things, I've learned from him, and among them was a great work ethic and a trade that I would not have otherwise had the man was an. If there was anything lazy was not one of the things he was. Then my mother later married another gentleman. His name is Kerry. And he has a similar work ethic. The man is extremely hard worker, very dedicated, very faithful, and learned those things from him, but going back to my dad and my grandparents I'm sorry I probably should mention my mom's dad. His name was Bob. And he was a machinist by trade, and it was a great guy. One of the things I loved about my Grandpa Bob was he could make anything from nothing. Amazing things that guy could put together and discover out a make from absolutely nothing was amazing. It was a talent in that regard. But I also learned some other valuable things from him. One of the things he said to me was. Joel, find something you love to do for a living and do that because you're gonNA spend eight to ten to twelve hours a day doing it and if you're miserable. That's the majority of your life that you're miserable so even if you make less money at it, and maybe it's a little bit of struggle as a result, or you have to change the way in which you live because you don't make as much money. When you could be making more money and be miserable. Make less money and be happy your work. That was a big thing coming from my grandfather because he did enjoy his work, but as you can imagine as a machinist, he never was a rich man. He never made a fortune, but he did enjoy what he did for a living. I learned a lot from that. My Dad was a deputy sheriff. For part of his life and an avid outdoorsman, and it's from him that I learned to shoot in fact I learned to shoot when I was five. My mother was stunned, but my dad took me out and taught me how to shoot a twenty two rifle when I was five, and shortly thereafter a twenty two pistol and I'm going to tell you more about that in a minute. There are so many new gun owners out there that some of them probably don't know that if they use that firearm to defend themselves. There is a strong likelihood that they're going to face criminal prosecution, or at least a criminal investigation, and perhaps a lawsuit filed against them from the person that they shot or the family of the person that they shot. That's fairly common now. In some states, there are a lot of legal protections for people who defend themselves with firearms, but in many states aren't. California is one of them. There are some legal protections here in California, but they're fairly limited. That's why I have second call defense, and it's the company I use after having investigated them all. It's the one I felt the best about and for years I used them, and I referred them to my customers and students without any business relationship with them at all. then they came to me one day and said you know you really should be an affiliate, and I said what do you mean? and. That's when I became an affiliate with shack and call to fence. So I urge you. If you don't have concealed, carry or firearms, self-defense type of coverage that will help you get a lawyer. Get bailed out of jail and those things I urge you to checkout second call defense, and if it works for you as it does for me then, if you would be kind enough to use our link to second call defense, I'd really appreciate it. You'll find that on. On our website at gun guide dot TV, and if you're looking at or you're listening to this podcast in a place where there's actually description of podcast, I'll make sure the link is in there and that way cost you nothing. It's the same as the Amazon deal. Every time you pay your bill every month for second call defense then we get a little bit of a marketing fee because we're. An affiliate and that's kind of how that works now. If that doesn't work for you and there's another company that works for you better for sure, pick the one that's going to work the best, but if you choose second call, defense had really appreciate it. If you'd use our link, it will help us out a lot at gun guy, TV shooting straight and always right on target. This is the Gun Guy Teapot podcast. Now back to the discussion of learning to shoot at the age of five of course as you can imagine, my mother was not particularly thrilled about that idea, but my dad taught me anyway. My father had moved to Oregon which was a state that when he was alive. He's been dead quite some years now almost thirty years actually, but when he was around, he loved Oregon He loved Oregon for a few reasons, not least of which is that it's beautiful, and also that it had many opportunities for him to hunt and fish. He loved the woods. He loved the mountains. He just loved everything about the state. The people were incredibly friendly and at the. The Time Oregon was a very free state. It was not over-regulated. It was not the kind of thing that it is now. Oregon is sort of become like Washington. It's almost California North back. Then that was not the case. It was very common for me to go. Visit my dad and spend time with him to see people walking around carrying a gun openly. It wasn't a big deal or having a gun in their glove box. It wasn't a big deal or carrying a gun concealed. It wasn't a big deal. That was the norm they're hunting was the norm there? It was actually so normal that the right to do that and if was just assumed. Nobody was fighting for it because there was no sense in fighting for something that was so obviously correct. That was sort of the attitude in the state of Oregon at the time. Now we're talking about a time in the early sixties here. And you know late fifties early sixties, and then you know we get into the late sixties and things started to change, and now in the current time Oregon is a very liberal state, when and becoming more and more restricted as we go, but back then it wasn't and in fact my dad passed away in Oregon and he is buried their. Well one day, he said to me I'm GONNA teach you how to shoot. And he took me out in the back. They lived in Klatch Kaanai Oregon so if you live in class Oregon Hello Class I from my father Chuck Persinger he lived in. Oregon. He was a deputy sheriff there and a resident, defeating that little town, which is just a quaint, beautiful little town with the nicest people that ever walked the Earth Time I. Assume it's probably the same now. He took me out in the back of the property, and we put some tin cans up on logs back then they were tin cans, not aluminum cans, but we put up on logs, and he taught me how to align my sites how to mount the rifle how to get a good cheek well how to get a good grip and how to breathe. He taught me all of those things when I was five years old. The thing that was the most exciting thing for me that I remember was I actually hit the CAN. With my first shot! which was pretty cool, but then I had a lot of respect for my dad, and I knew he was an incredible shot, and even though I was a little kid, and you know little kids have got answering their pants and they want to go do what they WanNa do I know I've raised children and I was one. So that's kind of how that works even so for that, which was something I really wanted to do. I paid attention I listened even at the age of five, and I vividly remember that lesson. It was an incredible thing to spend that time with my father I didn't realize I. re I really didn't I mean now I? Look back and I realized how valuable how precious that was because I meet men, my age or younger men for that matter. Who never really had a father figure in their life, and they never got to experience. Something like that. and. That is incredibly sad when you think of it. So I'm very grateful that my dad spent that kind of time with me. He taught me how to shoot. He taught me how to hunt. He taught me forest type skills. He taught me how to which plant in the area where he lived were edible, and which ones were not now I gotta be honest I. Don't remember all of that, but it's interesting. I was just looking at books day. Online on edible plants I'm thinking about getting one because I would like to relearn that. You know you get older and you say well. I used to know how to do that. I WANNA learn how to do it again. In fact, just the other day. My wife stumbled on a a slide rule. And it's totally unrelated. I realize but like. This is a rambling podcast. She stumbled on a slide rule. We have no idea where this slide rule came from. It was buried under some other stuff on an table in our living room and she said I. Don't know where this came from, but it's been here for a long time. We can't figure out WHO's that was. It isn't mind, but I guess it is now. We can't figure out who was, but I used a slide rule in high school when I got into more advanced math I had to learn how to use a slide rule because there was no such thing as a calculator back then. So that's what we we used. When I started getting into more advanced math, particularly logarithms and that kind of stuff, it made things a little bit easier because a slide rule whether you know it or not. if I remember my slide rule stuff correctly is that actually use uses logs and anti logs to do the multiplication and division for you? But in any case I sat down the other day, and ahead to fiddle with it for a while, and I actually found an score video on youtube on how to use a slide rule in the CNBC scales and it was like. I remember how to do that. Well now I'm kind of wanting to go back and do the same thing with edible plants, because I learned all that stuff from my dad as a kid, and I remembered it into my twenties, but now I'm in my sixties and I've never had to use it during any of that time, and I've forgotten that, and it's just kind of a cool skill to have even though you may never actually use it, but we did. Did use it. We made STU camping on when we were in our hunters camp, and we would go and forage for things they teach me what to get and what it was gonNA taste like this might have a little bit of a nutty flavour, and this might have a little bit of a salty flavor, and we would add that to the stew, and he used to call that forrest STU now. It's not forrest gump. For a stew and I used to love for Stew with my dad. Now that I would go back to California, because that's where my mother lived and I'd live with my mom and I'd end up spending time with his dad. My Dad's Dad, my GRANDPA, his name was Charlie. I spend time with Charlie. They lived in Belmont. Shore which is part of Long Beach California? That's a very nice area. He was a real estate broker and a real estate investor, and so he's done very well in his life, he'd only graduated the grade. He grew up in Chandler Indiana and had to quit school right after the fifth grade because his dad, who was a coal miner, broke his back, and he had to go to work to support his brothers and sisters and families. We never got back to school, but managed to still be very successful in his life, and even in the environment of Belmont of Belmont shore, California where it's a beach community so. Small, you know and the houses are very expensive. He still found a way for he and I to shoot and I'm GonNa tell you exactly how he did it in just a minute as I mentioned at the beginning of this podcast. I don't make a living off. This podcast are off of Youtube. And if I did I'd be really really broke, but instead I make a living from a company. My wife and I started with some partners and we now having purchased a company the other. We bought out the partners. Basically, it's called practical defense systems and our main job at practical defense systems is to. To educate security officers in the state of California, so we provide the training, they need in order to get licensed, and then we provide their continuing education training, and at this point, it's pretty much online on demand. The courses we offer in California, all online and super easy to take if you're in the state of California, you're thinking about getting in the security business. Please check out practical defense systems. That's our company. You'll find a link in the description. It's the best security training you can find in California. At the lowest possible prices just check out PD. S. For Practical Defense Systems PDF. CLASSES DOT com. The opinions expressed by the. Always right unless they're all. My grandfather grappled Charlie was an outdoorsman. He had grown up in Indiana and Chandler Indiana. As a little kid kind of a bear, barefoot country kid of sorts, and so he loved to be out in the woods. He loved to go hunting. He loved to do those things, but he lived in a beach community. Because after many many years of being a welder in the shipyards, and then becoming a welding format in the shipyards, and in ending up working in the navy shipyards during World War Two, in fact, he was so angry because he'd gone down to sign up with his friends at the beginning of the war to sign up for the army. They wouldn't take him because they said they needed him. In the shipyards to train up a oddly enough to train women how to weld, so he ended up staying home, and many of his friends went to war. Unfortunately, some of them did not return, but he was very upset that he didn't get to go. In any case he was a welder and a welding for me was a tradesman. My family is basically the history of my family is. We're all tradesman of some sort or other. So we're blue collar, folks, we get our fingers dirty in our hands dirty, and we'll have calluses on her hands and oddly enough I still do even though I. don't work in trades anymore, but still do work around the House and my son helps me lift weights, so I can actually not get older than I have to. And as a result, my hands are kind of callous and I'm grateful for that. I I never WANNA. Be The guy that's got super soft hands. Somehow that bothers me not that there's anything wrong with it. But that's not the environment in I grew up, but then I once again as I said, it's not a planned podcast, so I'm beginning to digress. Let's get back to a GRANDPA Charlie and shooting. At my grandma's house, which if you ever want to drive by it, you can. It's at one. Oh, four Argonne in Belmont shore in long, beach now. We don't own it anymore. He sold it many many years ago, but in that house there's a house. There's a unit at the bottom. There's one at the top, and there's a little studio in the back and it's got three garages well. He kept two of the three garages for himself and had the other one that he rented out with the apartment above. In those two garages, he kept his car in one, and he made the other one into a shop because he loves to make things and build things and we'd like to do a lot of woodworking. He'd done so much welding in his life. The last thing he wanted to work on was metal anymore. Enjoy doing woodworking. One Day said to me Joel. We need to do some shooting. And I said Okay GRANDPA. What are we gonNa do we said well? Let's go grab a bicycle, so we went and got on some bicycles and we went writing down the alleyways of Belmont sure. In the process, we found an old wooden crate. We've found some old pieces of Dowell people were throwing away, and we found a guy that just took several days to do this, but over that time we found some ten, and we found a bunch of other little things like that. We brought that stuff back and out of that because he liked to make something out of nothing, you know my grandfathers were both very creative. Guys make anything out of anything. This is the this is the beauty of being a tradesman I think. We went into his shop and he taught me how to take that those little things and make a target out of them so essentially what we did was we stood up the wooden milk crate on its end, so that the open part of that crash was facing the shooter, and then we use the dowels to make Raj across the crate. And we took little pieces of ten and cut them into shapes, diamonds, squares, circles, and some rudimentary animals wants those were carved. They were maybe I don't know two inches tall, and you know two inches wide or something about that size, and we made sure that we left enough ten on the top that we could wrap that piece at ten on the top around the Dowell. So we wrap it around the Dell which by the way we took a long piece of Tin, and we, we tightened it wrapped it around the inside of the Dow and tighten it down real tight, so basically you had the wooden dowell with a ten covering, and then the little piece of Tin with the with the figure attached to that around the Dowell, and we scored the the underlying ten along the way so that they wouldn't move right to left. They would just spin. Will there were I? Think three rows of those from top to bottom. When you hit him, they would spin, so you knew you hit them. They'd spend over the top of come back down again. They were little reactive targets. We made out of absolutely nothing from there. We went down and bought a piece of big piece of plywood. He set the plywood up against the wall in his little tiny courtyard next to his house outside of his office, he set the plywood up against the wall and I would go outside with a co two BB pistol. And he would teach me how to better shoot a pistol in that backyard with this little co, two BB gun. Many many years later, he was in his eighties and he was. His health was not good. He was eighty seven I. Think and he said Joel. I've got something for you. I was visiting at that point. He'd sold that place and he was living in Sun City Arizona. He said I've got something for you. We went out in the garage and he handed me that BB pistol. Weeks right now. It's an old crossman pistol, but if I can ever find the little that goes in and I'm. GonNa. Fix It. Because that was the BB pistol that my grandfather taught me how to use as a little boy? It was largely my grandfather spending time with me with a little bb pistol in the backyard to make me a better pistol shot. That is the reason why I can shoot pistols as well as I can today. I'm not. A competitive shooter, certainly there are people in the world that shoot better than me, but when it comes to handguns, that's a fairly small number. I'm a better shot with handguns than the vast majority of people I have ever met. Now that not saying that to be to build myself up or Brag. It's just some things your faction. You have to stay them as facts. That's a fact and I will tell you that that's because of that practice I got continually. At my grandfather's house has he and I shot in the back and he helped me be a better pistol shot with a BB pistol. That's why sometimes you'll see me talking about training in your backyard. When I'm doing videos talking about doing that I learned to do that from my Grandpa Charlie, who is one of my father figures when I was a boy? Now then I would go visit my dad for the summer and spend my summer with my dad up in Oregon and he would remark at how much my shooting improved and WanNa, know what I had been doing that. My shooting had improved so much since the previous year when I saw him. And My grandfather would wink at me and he'd look at my dad needs say don't give away secrets. Sneaky cuts that when I wasn't around, he would tell my dad what he was, but it was something I really anticipated, and hoped for every year when I would go see my dad that he might remark about the improvement in my shooting. So I've worked pretty hard at it I really had a great time with my grandfather anyway, but it was one of the favorite things I did with my granddad other than we used to walk down to the beach and we go to the long. Beach pier at the Old Long Beach pier before it was torn down. There used to be a restaurant most almost all the way to the end that had the best New England clam chowder in the world to this day. I absolutely love New England plan chowder. What my point in all of this, it's important that we have father figures in our lives who take time to teach us these valuable skills. They're the things will remember later when they're gone. And maybe it's a dad. Maybe it's brother older brother. Maybe it's an uncle. Maybe it's a GRANDPA. When we don't have those or something missing in our childhood, it's a very valuable thing that's missing. Sometimes when I see young people now and their troubled, or they're struggling particularly young men. They're struggling with the idea of what it means to be a man. What it means to be a contributing member of society as a man, I'll talk with them and we'll talk for a while and I'll ask them some questions, and it doesn't take very long before discover that they had no meaningful father figure in their life. That is a tragedy. Having had outstanding father figures in my life. I can tell you that it's the way God designed it, and when it doesn't apply when we don't apply things in the way God designed them. They don't work the work well at all. Well with that run at a time I think in this section of the podcast. I told you that. By the time I got to the of the podcast, I would know when I was going to talk about in the next section. That's going to be on patriotic only well here. It is in this next section. I'm going to talk about what I did to pass these things along to my kids and how we? We did that and how my kids are doing with that today. We'll talk about that in the next section. If you're listening on Patriot I, want you to stick with me. If you're listening on your favorite podcast player I'm GonNa. Wrap it up here. So think about those father figures in your life, and if you're a man, be a father figure to someone else wherever you go, whatever you do, please be safe. You've been listening to the Gun Guy Td podcast.
A Skin-Whispering Acupuncturist/Herbalist on Changing Your Life, Your Skin, and Your Approach to Stress
"Hey Meghan hey you. You're looking different and VIBE and I'm getting like fun energy from you I I just spent two hours with anti demille. Oh my God here and it was a full on treatment treatment like I you know. I wasn't interviewing her talking. She was asking me how I was feeling and I mean I don't I can't tell you how many oils salves salves and bomb Mike. She did acupuncture all over my body. She energy work. She listened to me. She took my pulse roles many times to see how it was all working. What is the energy work that she like holds her hand over your knee because it hurts you know like no she sort of she says as you know? Is Anything happening with you. And you kind of say emotional and physical things and then you lie down on the table. Aw and she takes your pulse. That's like Berry in sort of an starts sort of saying what she's what she's getting that pulse and they're they're both physical well things and emotional things and then quits in the the needles. which doesn't hurt? Like I hate. Needles in Alabama. Yeah you're you're more experienced well. I hate like shots so different. A different thing. It very different like doesn't bother me me at Holland acupuncture needle and but it always amazed me that I that it doesn't but you donate Frady 'cause I hate a needle and then she comes back and and she does all. She has tuning forks. I thought I was like I thought that was like a mechanical thing that was like but it was actually these tuning forks intial. Put them on your feet at your heart center like all. Wow she's you know to remove hands and clearly getting energy from that and you're feeling stuff when she's doing. I'm kneeling things. Move through your body. Definitely I mean especially like I was. I was really noticing like when she put in one needle sort of near my knee and then below alot. Both my knees was like total energy. Felt so good like immediately. Maybe God who knows if it's psychosomatic. Whatever it is totally and you're smelling all these just incredible oils? This series of I think she's gauging what she feels like. You need. She's very she's so in the moment like I love this interview. Yeah just because she you know she she takes it all in and that that calm lake kind kind confident kind warm. Yeah fluid yeah. It's just yeah she this conversation. Was John a hug me and I'm just it's it's what her story is incredible like how she can't how she got there. You know like how she got to making clean beauty products. Yeah Yeah. Her products are are so energetic in nature. And it's it's fascinating to hear how they come about. Uh she said so many things that I wanNA get right on. Let's let's get into it. Got To hear this one something so an automobile. We are so excited to be speaking view today. And I've just got a treatment from you. I'm in like another world you're all glowing like radiating staife life. My just my spirit feeling in any you make products that we just live for at Google and then you also also treat people and you've got this incredible mixture of herbalism Chinese medicine. But we want to start at the beginning. You're originally from Australia Really A- and despite you're very French sounding name and you will one of the top. Three women triathletes in the country entry. Is that correct. Yes yes a very long time ago longtime ago. Yeah what was that like. I look at that time and and that I did that sort of stuff as very much a time to it was about building your mind and strength and all of that sort of thing. I think it's I don't know it so far. Ha I think more about how because I think I draw more on when I did. I always things that I save the world and you did didn't around the race. Wow around the same time or different phase of life literally had never ever been sailing before and then. The previous previous race came into Sydney Harbour and I was like oh that sounds like a good thing today so signed up to do this this race and I did it but along the way I met my husband. He was doing the same race from your decision but now that he's such a strength drawer for me in terms of you in this amazing amazing place so it sort of filtered through two things you know what we do in the business like the sustainability policy and even one of the products like the color of it was driven from like the Southern Ocean and the the ball yet. Oh because that is the most amazing place on Earth in that I remember statistic of when you sort of down south and you there and the closest person is something like the man in this space stations. Because you're so far from land. Wow the only thing like something happened. Or you've got this fleet of boats around you to save you but it just it's the most intense place and it's such a privilege late because so few people in there and the colors of the waves and the water like the Blues and the Greens. Just the most special place on the earth. Like you know the Albatross in Oh this white even a seventy two foot boat and you going up a wave and it's sometimes it's like in the really bad storms as one hundred feet at this water above you below you and it's just about survival and it teaches teaches you so much about survival and that's just intense and just amazing phones and ten also Mayans Wild. Yes yeah I traded futures and yeah I sort of have this thing where I just got. I think I'd like to do that. And then I just go and do it so those are incredible like to sail around the world. Financier how did how did it all how. What was your journey to wellness and clean beauty? It into a whole lot of things came together at once and they and the thing that sort of bought it all together was when I was going through treatment for cancer. Chemotherapy and things like that and the two things things that helped me through that time was acupuncture for the nausea. And things like that. And then I used to make my own creams and oils like from my skin because it was just in in such a state from from your radiation and stuff and that sort of begun the whole path and it's yeah how did you know what to make. How do I didn't and I guess that's like infiltrated a whole other thing? It was just about seeing. What was there and this was years ago? So you know the availability of now. There's organic things and everything's around and it's really easy to access stuff. Yeah Ah I just went. This funding stole one of those really odd hippie type shops and they had like a bunch of box until I bought the boxin but bits and pieces and just try to mix my tone and and that's where it all started. Oh Wow and how did acupuncture help with your treatment just through the nausea and vomiting in that constant sense of just exhaustion. And it's funny because the the boat race came into this. I used to having each of the boat above the toilet when I was sick. Going on practicing for the Southern Ocean. Well it sounds this in that in those stories that you've just told out there so much strength and I I think of you as a strong president also so sort of open like sort of more feminine side I I think of financing and triathlete and conquering cancer. Seattle like funny gut definitely some different different sides to who you are and I think it's it's just that thing of just getting on doing something or it's a talent until I just go and just make it happen And that's just what I that's what life is because you don't know what's round the corner and you knew there. It was a long time ago now but there was a point where I was given six months to live and you knew that was I was like who we might say. The exact word I along the lines of you. Who are you to tell me that I've got this much time to live and so it it was all about how do i? How do I beat this? How do I survive this and also blessed to have so many amazing people around me and I went to a clinic in Mexico we win onto lots of clinical trials and things like that but I had found a doctor who really believed in what I was trying to do? Wow did you have a beat of feeling. Sorry sorry for yourself or feeling you know do you know. I can't remember it but it must've because it's things yeah but I didn't if an accident WanNa hear statistics want to know which was played in A. You just can't tell me those things because it's it's a number and it's a statistic but and for me it was all about how do I change. What am I doing what do I need to do differently in order to to survive and I did that and you know? Initially the race was very much a part of that for me. It gave me a goal in order to survive and it was like I'm I'm I'm going to sail into Sydney Harbour My ultimate thing and as part of the race in winter we got into Argentina. Lena was a hurricane on the trip down from Boston. BRUINS ARIES and I should've gone overboard attached to the boat but at broke my hand the on this one it hadn't healed properly and so at that point we knew that the well I knew that the sort of had cancer would come back but my whole goal from the beginning. I'm not going to fly into Sydney harbour. I need to sail into this so I went went back to London. Had some treatment had some chemo and all of that sort of thing and then to like arrived went back to New Zealand and then got on the boat and to have into Sydney harbour. WHOA that's incredible? You know sort of saying all all those things like strength but also your decisions Asians to try these things to say. You know I'm Gonna I'M GONNA be a financier. I'm I'm not going to hear these statistics. I'm going to go sailing. Do you feel your intuitive. Certainly in your treatments you feel that way like it's out. It seems like you have something in guiding you which is complete madness what it is. I think it's just do I don't really know what it is But for me may I grew up in a town like a small town in the middle of nowhere and we were sort of old before we had television. And we had a life where you you just had to go out and work and do things And you do. The Davis town was you had. Maybe everything we had a movie theater in the nearest town but the town I grew up in was four hundred people wound and so you just go on and got things. Yeah Oh so you start down this road of making things for your self weird the acupuncture come in for you. Where did the herbalism and then? How did that lead to? The product. Company actually started studying Chiropractic in when I was in Sydney and that was really intented time of a you did of undergraduate of the night didn't degrade anatomy and physiology. So there's like news is hard core science Um and to me that's the driving force behind absolutely everything. It's the why I have to read. So many clinical papers make sense in the body and then quint traveling team took over but when it was sort of time to settle down into to do something chiropractic wasn't can't I felt it wasn't the right sort of place for me. I'd gotten so much benefit from acupuncture. I really felt that it was acupuncture. Was the way forward head and that sort of traditional Chinese medicine where I'd gotten so much benefit from. Yeah so I went and studied Chinese medicine and I did an internship internship in in China and spent some time in a Chinese hospital. Just astonishing how people would come in and then the doctors would decide. have to treat them whether it was eastern or Western medicine And depending on what was with the person or yeah depending on what they needed. aww that sort of thing and it was really fascinating to watch that and so people would come in with strokes and we call it wind in Chinese medicine and they literally would get get acupuncture and Chinese herbs twice a day for the first three months. Wow that's amazing to treat a stroke. Yeah no Western medicine. No occupational therapy and they had had such a high success rate. It was really really fascinating. Yeah and it's just what they did but you know when there was need surgery or Western medicine and things like that. That's where I would go. There wasn't like a judgment one where the yeah it was. This is what the patient needs and I think that very much formed the way that I looked at things but but it was very much about stepping back and taking a look at the whole picture. And it's like what's creating the problem one is it. That's why is and now I sort of think about it wise. The Skin Red wise they inflammation and. Let's that sort of like trace that back through metabolic pathways to get to the cause and so each product. When it's made has you know has come from clinic has come from people? But it's that method of looking at it as what's creating the problem and let's address that that as opposed to just putting a band aid over the symptom So that is the intuition part. I kissed a bit more than it's sort of. I guess it's informed intuition Jewish rat in that you knew that science background coming in and tracing things back of this it's inflammation so I we know exactly what sort of trading we have to target in the product and then formulated like that. Yeah so you get into acupuncture and then how how did the was the herbalism part of it at the same time or or so. It didn't Complete Habilitation is oriental. aromatherapy and looking at the elements of how essential oils interacted directed in their Chinese medicine. Way then marrying the two so they sort of came quite close together because I was still making things in the kitchen or in the bathroom. Oh aw at that point and then it sort of it then became like Oh. The clinic became my patients became a testing ground. And everything I made it sort of that level of what else can I study. Like what else can I look at until you for me. It's like always looking at clinical papers and what studying studying and what was happening on this essential oil. All new this brainwave will or what patent of the brain is happening. What's going on? But isn't that the the the nature of acupuncture to like you. Don't just go and once you sort of go in for tune-ups yes it's A. It's a lifelong thing. I think it depends on what you're having full four so things like stress and all of that sort of thing but you knew some people use it for different method for different things facility and all sorts of different elements in which Mitch casing. You're looking at different different patterns in the way that the bodies processing things so I think that's the difference but yeah I mean I certainly think that it's great to it to keep it going. It helps me I find it helps with stress and how you deal with stress and all of those things that impact editor. Yeah Yeah Oh good. How did it come to skins specifically? I feel like you part of your process when you're working with a client seems like it's the whole whole-body reflected in the skin of the face this country. How did that become the focus? That's a really good question. Actually it just felt like the right place to be and it was. I think because it was that I'd played so much by that time with oil and with butters and just like looking after different things and I really loved that like Making something and then giving it to a patient and that sort of process and and seeing the difference and it just felt like it was the right way to do it but also it's something that is so important in the way that we look and feel about the way that we feel about ourselves and and for me it was looking at sort of evolved in that whole stress arena. And what's dresses doing to ask in and how that's making feel so you. It's so many different types of stress but in looking at how emotional personal stress is played out on skin as mine was A. Yeah now you have a very special factory. It's a farm right. It's a beautiful farm. And how did you start. I guess the beauty you. I know where you're making oils to sell rather than just put on your patients. How did that evolve and then tell us a little about the the farm and the crystal floor? I would literally go into clinic and bits and pieces then. Give my patients who when and I would sort of do my diagnosis. It's all based on constitution. And what's going on and what that patient needs and so I would make sort of oils and T.'s. And things like that and give them to my patients but do all of that for many years and then come home and make more after giving them too and my husband said this is ridiculous. You can't keep doing we literally. We sort of like made them put a Web put a label on them and created website and we were so lucky because three weeks later NATO Porta called everything in God is walking. And you know it's been a process a word of mouth since then. Well I I heard about you through Jessica Richard Chen and she was like you just have to try this. It was still lucky and she was like you have to try to oil. You try this oil and big oil fan. Yeah I was like you know. It's just an oil and I didn't know anything. She didn't tell me anything about the process that goes into creating creating the oils which is really special and we want to and I was like what is different about like this is crazy. This is really the founder of the seasonal face Welsh. Yeah Yeah Yeah they always blow me away these you make them specially for each season and tell us I mean. There's there's meditation there's the farm. There's a yeah when I found out what was behind. These wasn't wow that stuff must work came to being blown away by the product before I knew the story. That's that's amazing. So we the we make everything on apart from one product actually on this organic anik farm in hot pitcher which is just north of London. It's not our farm but it's like a it's a lovely place of work but we we seem to be taking over more and more of As I grow which is really lovely. But we're just building a new lab which is something that's been on the cards for longtime as we sort of like growing and the concrete floor was poured a couple of weeks ago. And so Chris my husband and I are here. We all call stable boy and when he's hidden stable boy it with Blake crystals in the floor of the new lab and so I've tried to set them out so when you when the ingredients arrive into ingredients area there crystals in there to take away the negative energy that come through transport and all sorts of different things. And then as you're sort of like move through the lab to the weighing area and then the production in Qa away in filling and by the time this sort of packed there's the positive energy so they sort of like go out the door with that and part of that process as always is that you know. The music is played all ingredients into pro to the production process. You know twenty four hours a day. Oh I didn't realize twenty four hours a day. Yeah because this research and information around the positivity and the vibrational element of sound and how that infect back in impacts impacts cells and impacts us and the oils living in. We know that because when they rented and go off we can smell that. Yeah Yeah So. At some level I really believe that it impacts the quality and the vitality of the oils. It's a process that I really believe in and you he knew if it To anybody yeah yeah and the result is at least in my experience. Just incredible all. What is there any particular kind of music that the oil Jefferson to be eh madness midnight oil straight so depending on which what we're making it changes are? Oh Wow as does the meditations and things like that when I'm blending so different. This is interesting pat so different music. Works at different hurts and Megahertz which actually can impact different brainwaves? So it sometimes it's in the salvation body. Oil is more sort of like like vibrate like a highest or the frequency. Because it's more about like energetic and things like that and so we want to switch or look at different sort of brainwaves layers. It's like the sleep. Ones are very much about in his theater and switching off and sort of brainwave type thing so in it is all of this incredible research about what to do vibrations and music and things like that look at what brainwave. And what's which is what which is so. It's sort of an in new. I'm probably over thinking it but to me in that time typic- way it sort of makes sense. Yeah that's amazing. And who. WHO's meditating over it you just you or your whole whole team and is it in the room when it's so windy essential oils blended they? Come in and there's a process of a blessing that goes over all of the oils and as I do the essential oils. It's only being. I think two or three months actually with handed over the making of the other products to team members before then kristen. I used to make all of the products and now it's it's that process of letting go my babies but so when they come in and then there's a blessing of all all of the oils and I- chance to each blend has its own chant. An as I sort of like do that and do the blessing and in the meditation the three words come up up until they get written on the label and they get put into the crystal singing bowls and each have different tune depending on what needs to happen and what it needs to come up to my tuning folks go over them. And then they into the in the cupboard and when they're ready to come out than we do the same process with the the base oils and in the pouring process. So you knew we we do all of that and that is all done again. And then in the pouring process new we cleaned the room with Frankencense old Palo Santo and h Butler has a drop of flower essence that go into it and then it poured by hand like it's poured by hand. But but it's in this like belief funky sort of upside down to like machine gun or whatever and then I sort of get. Boxed antecedent wanted to the music until they're ready to go out but wow they are made with love that you know the lovely thing about doing that is that I already know because I've done all of the scientific research beforehand so you knew when we look. I'm looking at the ingredients. And what's coming into the ingredients. It's very much about what I need each ingredient to do and how I needed to perform so you across the range for example apparently now there's twelve types of lavender that I use in different from products and it depends wear it grow and how it's grown and how it's harvested and they all have different smells there. You know the Chemical Constituents Swinson. The makeup is different because of the soil and everything that that. They're actually grown on anti. That's what's really important as a minimum of sedation and some of them for immune soon system and all different types of things and so. That's the level that I go into when I'm researching every ingredient. Yeah that's amazing. Yeah and how. How much of your time now is spent like are you able to spend with with individuals versus making things things for many people wish? I had more time to do clinic like that's to me. That's my learning ground. That's where I'm getting most excited. And I I get a sense of what my patients need and what it is that's going on. And then that's what my formulation begins. You Know I. My Clinic has about twenty percent amend patients and I think that really quite relevant and interesting because new product is never finished in A. You're looking at what's going going on and things like that but everything changes you know the way. We communicate the amount of time on on our on our phone. The foods that were eighteen the quality of food they were eating constantly changing the body's always changing and this is all seen in our skin. Skin is is like a non vital organ and it's the lasting get nutrients it's and it's the last thing in the first thing to show illness and and sort of like not looking after ourselves properly and it needs the most amount of care and okay that we can give it to that to me is what I say. Hundreds of people's faces and their concerns. And what they're thinking and feeling but what what's going on in their bodies were they holding it in their bodies and how that showing on their faces and to me that informs everything about what's the next level of research and what is coming next in terms of the creation of products so so it goes back to the answering. Your question is not enough time in clinic. Never enough enough time in clinic but I still new life is taught me that I need to start to hand things over in order to to continue you to make different. Because that's why began demand meal for me. It's about making a difference because there's no point in creating another cleansing bomb or another face soil. How do you come up with things for each season? You know like a fall oil oil. So it's very much based the seasonal oils. I blend once a year. Ah once they blended in that head. It's because it takes each one takes at least at least six sometimes nine to ten months to create and and it's based around the Chinese Medicine of the seasons in which you every season is about an emotional element as well you looking it levels of fatty acids and ceremonies and all of those elements on what the skin needs in order to look itself but then you have their emotional component. Where where so out of touch with nature and the thing is is new? Sometimes I see people in clinic who are so successful at the jobs and what they've done on what the always. Sometimes it's at something missing and I really believe it's a connection with nature and that cycle of life which was the reason behind in creating the seasonal lawyers in the first place so in the winter is all about that time of rest and replenishment in we should be almost hibernating like the animals do in with and it's not about like stopping but it's it's like you know on a frozen in ponders life underneath. This movement is the sea that's gathering the potential in the energy to grow and then in the springtime at like emerged as it's like that unstability city of life or the liver energy popping through and into the summer is like four blue minutes element of Yang and joy and happiness and in in the autumn of the fall is all about releasing and letting go so. That cycle can go again and my people find that the most difficult time because it literally literally is like having energy like going out with his now to live coming in wooden and descending but in order for that sort of newness to come through we have to actually Electro Emily Staffan and that sort of what we worked on today. Yes she was saying. About how if think of a tree. The tree is in the fall and losing their leaves A- and that certain trees like hang onto their leaves for two on the list are like Christie such a beautiful image about letting letting getting it go and and then you know those leaves go and nourish and I loved the idea of like powering up for summer when things are in bloom so in winter. You're awake resting so you have like energy and I love summer. We Love Yeah. Winter adrenals time of year. It's like in it's how about our kidneys and it almost is that time of wild seeds building potential Nathan. It's about that into the visualization Shen of like a strong foundation. And if we don't do that through the winter then it's almost like we're exhausted like we exhaust more quickly because in that tiny's medicine clock. Each each organ each element has it's time to shine home and that's the time of the adrenals in the kidneys and in the northern hemisphere. It's Christmas and so it's all that busy exciting sort of time and southern hemispheres. Actually in the middle of the year. So it's not as exhausting That you so all of those things that we just need to stop and listen an outside are there herbs or oils like safer winter that you think are the most most powerful for people. Yeah do you know I think getting your hands on what you can and I think it's in the winter we would go phallic. CELEK heavier fatty oil. So something like Macadamia or which I really like that. All of this is really good. Yeah you know it's just the real basics but I think it's more about that connection with yourself. One of the strong things that I'd teaching clinic is about not taking that time to nourish yourself and so everything is new from the moment that you step in the door from work and going like having being a boundary to give yourself time and space to actually nurture yourself and you know having your cleansing ritual like multitasking with that. So it's that stop pause in Hale and allow that stress to leave their mind body and then interface mad is honestly the most amazing beneficial thing ever and you can do it with absolutely any product and that is about feeding your skin because I was saying before this is the last organ to get the nutrients and all of that so you knew the face message is literally about feeding your skin increasing like the circulation the blood and the nutrients come into the skin and then like draining away the toxins and from that you get more benefit than almost anything and can. That'd be intuitive or do you feel like there's a specific massage that needs to go on like for a person you know it's all about just doing it. It's that thing the justice and doing it. Yeah and understanding and touching and feeling and seeing the way you're holding your stress and your skin so the lumps and bumps that may be weren't there two days ago but you're feeling really frustrated and working through that and how fingers can like tell us so much information and I think that's as important as whatever product to bind to put on your skin. Yeah and it's it's free. It doesn't cost anything to do that. And I said it's literally in a you can google it. You can youtube whatever you do it or just do it and you really look different. You look like like smoother and feel and just gloria in an overtime have patience and say this is what you need to do. RTP ridiculous. I haven't got time to do that. And just like just start off with you. Seconds like stope breathe allow the essential oils to just ask begin to do their job and like the stress you from the day and then do it and then I swear like within two weeks it takes on my God. I'm doing now ten minutes every night and it's amazing my skin's different. Wow I do the foot massage before I go to sleep but and I do for my kids but Face now while yeah on faith I have to ask you about altitude oil. Just because it's favorite my favorite thing I'd like before I meditate. I put a little my hand and smell it and also. If I'm feeling allergic I you know I. It just makes me feel better. How'd you come up with it? So when we moved to America Erica for a couple of years and to Chris Wizard of flying backwards and forwards all the time and it was that thing of you get on a plane somebody three seats over sneezes. And you're thinking oh my gosh. Gosh I'm going to get off this plane and I'm going to have a cold hotel. My head's GonNa feel like mashed potato and I'm just going to be all over the shop so it was literally really sort of like coming up with the blend it was relaxing. It was all of the elements that protected you on a flight or in an enclosed space. And it's been as most hilarious. Various thing where everyone used to happen all the time when people would go. Oh my gosh abuse the choice for for sting or bite or something. That's itchy in my husband calls it the. WD Forty four beauty brought house. I didn't even realize that I thought it was an inhaled. Yeah and that's what it was created for but putting it in the shower of a morning literally in the shower floor putting the hot water on its teams up. And I'm a gosh. It's just like in so doing the public transport on the subway or the tube or whatever days whenever you feeling like in an enclosed space or congestion around you in your office and actually did some really great work with bank in London off with traders who basically when they were feeling stressed or something like Pat. It was like teaching them how to choose a different pathway when instead of flight or flight with the attitude oil and having it having it as that sort so to reach things like okay let working road. Yeah and let like stop breathe a now move forward so yeah it's it's really cool little. AH WE'VE GOT TO TRY IT. Yes yes it's true. You're targeting something pretty amazing next year. Can we talk about it cortisol. Yeah Yeah it's so I guess when I've looked at as we talked before about stress and this little thing in my head like expresses epic its environmental physical and cellular and I always felt botanic was about the emotional stress. EPIC is emotional personal physical and cellular. But it's emotional stress and the stress we carry with this day by day At Miss Eric's was about the physical stress. The the atmosphere the pollution blue light all of those things in Sort of environment that. We can't see that aging us but for me you know the last ten years eleven years clinic is being about creating this range. We feel as my life work. It will continue to be my alive. Work because you the chronic str- stress is a good thing. I we never wanted to get rid of stressed lives. Because it's how we get things done but it's that that chronic ongoing stress that we keep building day to day and so I've created this line which is about addressing that can't and it's so exciting with had elements that have been clinically tested the smell of it which you snot incredible we tasted at clinical study and the results were just extraordinary and it was about the smell and the parts of the brain that were affected by the smell so we looked at EEG's and brainwaves and functional MRI is to see what was lit up when the smell was created. Wow where was this. So it was in France through a neuroscience department at one of the universities and so it's just something that from me it's like I know this like this is robin using but it's almost like evidentially. It's now there. He's the study he's the proof. And this is it's created and so it feels like it's a whole new level of tools for people to help with stress all genre a whole new genre owner of skin care. Wait and you have to question for Jesse our husbands leap. Yes you see you. Do you have a whole sleep wine fine yet. When did you get into sleep? And so many people can't sleep including my husband. Yes what help him. So basically it's once again again. It's that whole patent of clinic when it comes back to and it just knew everything sort of falls into place like sleep is so important as we now know I know but a few years ago I was like I it just everything sort of came together and it was like I asked myself. What's keeping me the awake like what could I'm not the best sleep in the world either and it's like so? I cited looking at ten years of clinical notes. And it's like so the question to me that sent to question is what's keeping me awake. My patients what is at and so I sort of like sifted true like all of the clinic notes and figured out what sort of patents without feeling feeling in their body what was going on and all of those different different elements and then looking at the western science of that so the starting acting point is always the western science and what does the for example we. What does the brain need to go to sleep needs melatonin? How do we get to Melatonin? We needs it's like one of the pathways is Serotonin. How did we get the body to make more? Serotonin we need Tryptophan. How does the Buddy get trip to fan and we get that in the Diet but but in order to absorb the trip to fan to get Melatonin in the end we need things like magnesium and Selenium B vitamins to able to support the buddy to do that men so choosing a base oil or a carry over that rich and all of those things was the primary starting point and then for me? It was overlaying delaying the Chinese medicine. And then overlaying the aromatherapy onto that so oh yeah lots of layers. Yeah and that's to me. That's how how I address just everything that I do every sort of formulation process. It's looking at a K.. In your somebody who's laying there and has a thousand and one things things going through them on and off yeah. It's that you know that to do less that running to do list and in Chinese medicine we look at that as the hot energy and the spirit word of the hot. The Shin has nowhere to settle. It's it's nowhere to go into and that to somebody WHO's tends to be very inefficient and so creating an aromatherapy blend around that to have that giving that the Shenton way to settle and then you've got things like settle right. Yes yes that work in the morning I I wake up in the morning with a thousand thoughts like I don't have trouble sleeping but when I wake up I'm like you do so the interesting thing. He's and the holiness of these the sleep oils is that they do work during the day because it's treating the underlying cause and so it's not a lovely little smelly oil that's just going to be sedating put to sleep uh-huh but it's like this this is what's keeping me awake and to. This is the solution to for. We're keeping me awake but if you using it during the day it it re balances everything and so it continues to work so it's not like I say it's not a sedation nation thing it's just about rebalancing then which is why they sleep products. Don't work overnight rare because they will take time to work because sometimes as imbalances balances of being there for a really long time and that's new. It's into going to the root cause of this is the issue. Let's address the issue. You as opposed to just putting abandoned of the symptoms. Yeah and so that was sort of my thought process with with all of them. Anchor is about the liver energy and the tossing and turning and not good quality sleep. It's about canoe waking in the night and not being able to get back to sleep. And that's the Horn and then soothe is suzy's about it's our mind process. It's like when you've got one thought. And it's overtaking you it's all consuming coming with almost like we can't digest asa what and then about the spleen stomach and it sits in solar plexus and it's that one thing where it's you you can't let go off and then that soothe. Oh Wow I just WANNA be under your care and I wanted to. I spent the afternoon rolling around those oils and I just want to. I want to know what happened because you look so we don't happy better. I could ask you questions literally until you have a million. Thank you so much for coming to us so much about this I. I'd love your combination of get things done and then you have this very. Aw however much time it takes presence where it's not a lot of people who are like let's go do. Something are so sort of rain and and do it right away. And you're like you're like flowing type thing as well as an of getting it right and and that's sort of not always a good thing like that contour fiction ism but it's that process of a K.. Is this really right. How can I make it better? How can we keep going with this? And it's like Oh it's not quite right now doing exactly what I wanted to do. So yeah but it's just an old part of that process that thank you very much ado ever get stressed. Maybe maybe that's a crazy question. Do I just said I just can't imagine you uh-huh I have times. Yeah but that's an had informs the next thing isn't it you know as we age as we grow so you thank you I feel like I. I wasn't enough a part of that conversation because if I was literally just listening to her talk when she was talking about being out in the ocean and she was it was so bad like I I was slack jawed in one hundred foot way and I loved how she was just like. Yeah you just do it and she you know all these things. I kept saying sort of like that. I Dea that she had these sort of very almost masculine way of going through and be like you know. I'm going to be a banker trader. I'm I'm going to be a triathlon. I'm going to cure my own cancer. The Way I want to look at that I mean six months to live and she was just like. Don't say that to me yeah. I'm just I'm so shocked that she goes right to to the positive. You know like that. That's just the hardest thing in life for me and I'm like a fairly positive person. Yeah just to like instantly skip over the doubt and be like no I want it. I know what to do and she seems like well. I thought I'd try this but it seems seem so. Yeah there's a lot of things I think about trying. I don't try. I'll just born with that though that kind of clear-headedness I don't don't even know you call it. It also sounds like she's went through so much that you know maybe that hones your sense of knowing what you want you know and and having had that experience of saying you know I I'm GonNa treat myself the way I think and then having that succeed right then you're just like on top of the world and you know you know something. Yeah you know your inner. Compasses is not off base. Mind I know base a lot. Guy have an intercompany. I would what I went to this afternoon. I was totally like fix my compass. It's like completely gone. Awry emotional stuff. I love that Yeah Extracts Bat Energy. I think she's sort of reroute your energy. It's more like gets things moving you you know in stops things from being blocked but you feel it because you same death. I definitely feel. It really really was incredible. And I can't. I want Jesse to try the micro sleep thing. Jesse cannot turn it off like he'll fall asleep and then he'll just wake up all night thinking about terrible things. I'm I'm in terrible things. Just think things and cannot go back to sleep. He's tried everything he's gotta try. He does yeah and anchor. I wonder if the anchor is about a little bit about the her trip around the world. Oh must be. It's so funny because we like I feel like you when I are like the world's best sleepers Jink because I'm always afraid I'm going to drink added. I feel like I got it from my mom really. You know. She like doesn't have trouble sleeping keeping eats a whole bunch she's like no worries seemingly. Yeah and I was like down at riot. She's doing for sure and I feel like she just bequeathed the the good sleeping to meet. It is gift honestly. Well I just loved that and I I really all I wanNA do is just us every sleep product even though I don't taking me to court Sol That today is a serum. It just smells so good I know she you no it it belittle someone who who makes these incredibly complex formulas that do all kinds of things to your body to be like it. Smells Nice but it really. It does smell nice also. She's great so we've got our columns. Meg Tries and ask gene. And we got a whole bunch of beauty questions uh-huh and we love answering them. Anyone listening as a question. They want us to answer to send it over to goop on instagram or facebook. It can be about makeup hair skin-care perfume fume routines order products techniques. Anything okay. Yeah I always looked tired especially after a hangover how do I look instantly. More awake wake from Amina Ti. Okay Amina we've got some ideas on this one looking tired you can be tired and you look tired or you can be totally full of energy and look tired and true such a bummer. Either way the first thing I do every morning because I always look a little tired right. I think is vitamin C.. I think vitamin C. makes an enormous difference in everybody's skin you will. If you start using it everyday you'll be like wow. My skin is just more live. It's not an overnight thing but it's a it's a it's a week or two and you will be like yeah. I can't live without that stuff. Stuff like vitamin C.. I think ultimate non tired thing you can also take vitamin C you there. We Gook makes that antioxidant drink goop glow I love and it's it's so refreshing. Looks like Tang and just one of those things is that like. If you're just like dragging yeah just gets you right up even just looking at it. It's like sunny energy engine happy. I think exfoliating in can can really wake up your skin and I like a combination of exfoliating and then moisturizing to just plump up your skin. I feel like when and you're tired it it looks slack. Yeah and you can do like I mean say you have a late night. I think the best thing is though those gook low pads the they're super strong yeah you can only use them once a week but you just before you go to bed. Your skin is clean you just swipe one on. You don't have to do anything else. You wake up in the morning and wash your face and unlike it explicitly. It's all night and then I think like a great a great oil after that just I loved. Mom Yell will love May Lindstroem Yard Bomb Yard. Oh yeah with that Tamou oil. It's incredible just something really really rich. Some people like creams. That guy love will lead skin food I to be honest like if I put will eight skin food on even if I haven't done all the exfoliating and everything I swear to God it's like like I've sort of firmed and moisturizing my face and like it just looks better put makeup on like some other magic like it really goes a long way it does it does. And once you've created you vitamin C you've moisturised. I think think a little makeup can really help if you're feeling like super tired. Conceal her Yup. Like if you if you have dark circles just a little. Oh you don't want to go crazy. You just want a little brightness around your eyes you can layer blush. Bobby Taught US credible. Great Bobby tip where you got. Bright blush a bright. So you're going to put anybody. She says anybody no matter. What your skin tone? You can wear a bright blush you just have to have a neutral one underneath so you do a little just just like you know Beige Pink. Yeah whatever you know neutral color and then you do like just pop over it of of of something like hot pink tip. People are so scared of bright colors. I feel like but it's like it's the whole thing is that doesn't show up like shocking pink on your skin. Yeah Neutron on her neck and even when it does I remember I was at S- I was at some restaurant. I saw Dick page. We're at some some event. The makeup artist equate and he was like he looked at me and he you know turned down and he's like why no color on you really okay and I was like you know. I like to look natural makeup makeup and he was like he was like. Oh come on what a wake up your face just a little bit. And he had some crazy Magenta. I think lipstick at the time and he liked dabbed little on my lips that was sheer. It wasn't like you know lips and then dabbled a little on my cheeks and that that like I was totally really wakes up your face and so called dig page did your makeup casually in because he was disturbed at how like boy Blando was looking. He doesn't hold back but it was like magic. You know with the so good so yeah being awake. It's a lot of preparation and a little bit of makeup. If you want a Mascara obviously really helps those of us who who. I think. It's an older thing I I don't like mosquitoes it's not for me. I didn't when I was younger. Really and I remember reading this thing where they ask Kathleen Turner who was older than I am. What her Her like you know what she won't go out the door without him and she was like Mascara and I was like Mascara. Yeah why would that matter well. I'm her age now and I know when you thank you become a certain age and it just melts difference. Yeah I think I think I think maybe lose lashes. I don't know I don't know what it is but like all of a sudden you're like this really makes me look better use. It turns me into a man like I. Just I. I have to stay away unlike unattractive. Well I hope you never have the day that you have to be like. I'm GONNA try Medicare because I'm but it might that the Mascara for a Gucci Westman so obsessed so pretty. Yeah but if you don't have to wear right like you don't but if you if it really makes you feel better like it does for me most of the time some GP doesn't she she doesn't wear it every day. Like I know like cheesy like Jason where she doesn't wear make up to the office and she looks so beautiful like but then she says when when she does use Mascara she goes for that one Gucci Yeah she loves Gucci Spins. It's an it's we have that video out of sight so fun that's just like in the Hampton having your make Westman yeah about to go to your premier as a fun one. Thanks again for joining us on the beauty closet. You can learn more about our new podcast series at Google dot com slash beauty closet podcast. We hope you'll come back next Wednesday for next chat and in the meantime I'm just tap subscribed to keep up with new episodes if you're liking what you're hearing please rate interview the podcast and share it with a friend toxin.
"Taste. Hello. My name is Andre Leon Talley, the host of oak spot cats and today, I am thrilled to have my dear friend, the legendary. And I caught it Mr. Tom Ford on the phone with me from Los Angeles talking about his latest film nocturnal animals, Tom. Thank you for calling it at tedium, but the boarding power. You. I'm in Los Angeles living you the school year. Oh, because your son is going to preschool in Los Angeles is oh, that's great. I needed a year of sun after seventeen years in England. But I'm going to London on. So in London now he can spec today. So good, we take we take turns towards well. That's lovely. So I'm cutting right to the chase girls questions. How did you? Find these incredible women that opened the scene. Those incredible women doing those extraordinary dances in a nude in costumes sort of epaulettes. Imple- casting call. I had a wonderful wonderful background casting. You know, it's not called extra casting anymore. It's called background casting. And I described exactly what I wanted. And I met the most incredible women in those women were so joyful, and so happy and so- Terrific's. It's interesting that hold part of the film because I started it by think do you want me to tell you about it. Yes. Please. Please. I started it because all of the art in the film was created by artist to very very well known who gave us permission to use their work. I hate movies about art where the artists fake, and it has no soul, and it doesn't feel like anything. But that particular piece to open the film that supposedly in Susan's gallery, I had to create so decided to put myself inside the head of fictitious artist that created enough lived in Europe for the last twenty seven years. So I thought okay, I'm a European, and I'm creating a work that says to me what America. Is. And when you think or when you're opinions often think of America, they think of our faucet in her red swimsuit with a perfect teeth and our big care, or they think of Baywatch, I think of sexy, they think of these tanned beautiful people. Okay. We'll the European perspective of America right now. What's happening America might be aging saggy over fed? Oh, good rich too, much and. And that's one of those women are wearing bits and pieces of Americana. However, once I shot them, I fell in love with these women, I found them so beautiful so joyful, so comfortable because what they've done is. They've all of them have let go of what society thinks they should be. And they're very happy with themselves. They looked so happy and in a way that exact opposite of Susan the character miserable. But trying so hard what she thinks society is supposed to be. So it actually sets the film up because those women are liberated in a sense. And I found the very beautiful. So it was a it was interesting. The development of even my own perspective of beauty as as shot that in as I edited it, you know, as you say the main characters eating a a leaf of lettuce for lunch. But these characters these dances in bits of. America and full on nudity. Have let go to the point of excessive that silhouettes almost. And I don't mean it's a very cruel fat shaming way their elephant chine. I thought it was beautiful. They're beautiful Jenny Saville painting. You know, they're just beautiful beautiful the different, you know. It's funny. It challenges our notions of beauty, and we we have to realize that our our notions of beauty or are something that our culture, you know, we're conditioned to think things are beautiful. But if we look things around us that we think maybe are not so beautiful that I can become incredibly beautiful and those women that their souls were beautiful, and I had so much fun shooting that because I was on the other side of the camera dancing for them. I was just saying copy me and some of them hadn't seen goriest once and in. In Sunset Boulevard. But at the end, I said, okay, I want your I'm ready for close up Mr. demille, and I sort of acted that out for them while we were shooting, and they were on the other side of the camera doing the same thing. It was so much fun. We are here with Tom for talking about his latest fill his second Phil turtle animals, which I think was greatly received. A film festival was not was it. Facing the jury won the grand jury prize. So we have that to look forward to in America. I think you kinda conveyed this absurd beauty because it's a kind of you that people do sometimes comfortable looking at was very very briefly done. Now. Let me ask you do you find do your direct women differently than you direct men? I don't at all. I think that I'm I'm good with actors. I think I understand the process. I think that with great actors you need to give them space to perform. They all want to give you the best performance they can possibly do. And I think I'm very good with actors, but I direct men in the same way that I direct women and I care about the beauty in both. I'm old fashioned believe movie stars should be more beautiful than everyone else. I think that you know, we have enough reality. So enhanced reality is is like, and I'm actually learning about my own style. Now that I have to films to look at and realizing. Oh, yeah. This is my style's filmmaker because. Do it in. What are you know, you do things intuitively? Sometimes if someone says, what is your style? You don't know what it is? Because you just react intuitively. Now, I can look at the two films and see certain similarities and choices I made. And I realize I actually like things that are quite framed or set up or you know, -ality I love how you used the polish stainless steel recessed gate to your whole as a. I have a memory. I have a great memory driving my car by. I pull up to that gate. It does that. And I put my hand because it just blinds me. But you know, when you're writing a screenplay or you're writing anything, you take bits and pieces of your own life. I mean, so much of that you, you know, and then I ran upstairs, and I thought okay, that's a great way to open. It around stairs. I wrote that down to her stainless steel gate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and bits and pieces of your own life work their way into all the characters and into the store. This is a great segue. Do you start with a full on storyboards from beginning to end? Organic because because the two films that I've made I've written myself. I write them in story board. Meaning I'm visualizing the shot as I'm writing. And I even write it into the script. You know, our camera pushes in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I'm writing it as I go. Then what I do is. I sit down with the the DP on the film, and I go shot by shot and we make shot list. So I don't actually have to draw it up. The only thing that we did have drawn up. Now, by the way, it's all done on computer was the chase scene because quite technical to get the stunt men to be in the cars at the right place into crash here and to do that and figure out our cameras, and whether we were swinging the cameras off of a side arm, whether we you know, how we were gonna shoot it and that had to be story boarded, but the rest of it. I I and then when you get onset you also have to keep an open mind because you have to look through that lens. And. Yep. Say okay. This is not a good shot. We that's moved the camera where we're going to put it. How are we going to do it? So you have to keep the pressure. I while you shooting. Yes. I felt that. Had I felt fear in the great chase scene with two cars crashing into each other with the family, and I really edge of my seat. I notice what you wanted to convey. And what he's trying to convey is because of course, the inner story is his message to her saying, this is what you did to me. This is how you made me feel so that visceral feeling of loss, and and fear and upset and devastation is what she clearly made him hill. Like when she left him. That's what he's trying to say to her. This is how you made me feel so yes fear is is part of it at the beginning. But it also just loss and disbelief disbelief in this dog dog Texas highway, you know, the stock middle of the line. This median line yellow line in the middle of the way and the doctor's not going not knowing where they're going with end up. They don't know where they will end up. The you don't know what they're gonna die raped choke give it away. This story, by the way, remember fictitious story written by him. And then it is being we're seeing it to her is. So it is not necessarily to always meant to always be completely real it isn't melodrama factors shot where she walks into her hallway, and she looks at a beautiful photograph that hangs in my house by an artist Richard MS wreck, and it's one man pointing gun at the other and they're in a field of dried grass, so when she magin his death. It's the exact same field replicated it and he dies. There are lots of little things like that if you detail carefully that, you know, her her perspective of it is what we're really seeing. So was the actual highway in Texas was it in Los Angeles outside of Los Angeles. We shot everything in California healthily. But you know, it does have the sense of the dry arid landscapes of Texas where you grew up. You know, does it's it actually looks just like in part of of California. Where we shot. Remember, California is a desert. It's just that Los Angeles tests are it's just been watered for a hundred years. Well, I think that that was very brilliant moment with the cars just going down the road. And then he ends up in a desert and the next one he wakes up at it. Does it he's running away from the the Salem and all of that, it's brilliant? Now, let me ask you the actor who sits the new on the front porch make it with Aaron Keller Johnson who is a big tackler. Actor Coursey is Tom. Yeah. But you know, some actors you cast and and some actors exceed your expectations, and he just exceeded my expectations. He was brilliant onset. He was terrific was the direct very very easy because he was incredibly professional incredibly serious. He's a friend. He's married to Sam Taylor Johnson. Who's been a friend for twenty years, and I was a little hesitant to cast of friends, but have to say he was he was incredible to give anything away. But was he eases to direct in that scene where you had to have? Absolutely. He was completely ready prepared hook you. Hook you. We hear talking to Tom Ford. Conic film director got the jury price of Venice film festival and a great designer. So Tom about films who do you think is one of the greatest inspiration in terms of your work? One of the great directors that you love well in terms of a film like this. I have to say offered cock Q break clockwork, orange, Brian depalma who also liked very sort of slick polish artifice. Yes. But that's the show. I would have to say one of my favorite all time. Directors would be George Cooper. And I know you're working up to a question of my favorite film. Mater now. Well, that's a hard one. I had to really think about that. Because I like so many films. It's almost I mean, it is impossible to say what you fill but one that is one of my favorites. Impossibly my favorite is a film called dinner date from nineteen thirty three Q. And the thing that I love about it is that it is so modern it is absolutely completely modern. It has not dated at all. Except of course in today's world except for people some people on. You know, people don't talk quite that way, any more most people don't have such elegant dinner parties. But the things that are happening the young daughter who's having the affair with eighty. Himself in the middle of the film. And you know, it's a comedy drama. That's and it doesn't necessarily have a happy ending it just stops. They go into dinner. That's very modern everything, you know. I think in that period. It was rare that you didn't tie up with a neat little bow that you had laughs, you had tears. You had that's life. Life is happy. It's sad. It's up. It's down it only stops where we stop the story in a happy ending is only if you stop the story at a happy moment because VO costumes of Jean Harlow in film. Well, she's wonderful. She was an incredible actor. Twenty seven. Good, Lionel Barrymore, John Barrymore, Billie Burke. Is that incredible lady Louis Tressler? It's her name the la- redress. I mean the gestures in face of her face only, which is amazing. It's incredible. I after say I watched that movie probably once a month. A lot of old movies. Like that. I watched the women I think I was. Watching hundreds of death, George George gluco with the great great. Great. Great. Great. And he was especially great with women. Yes. No. Do you like Antonioni? I love it. On course. Of course. And I mean Antonio incredible blowups incredible movie. Wonderful, but Tony was great Europeans. It's interesting. Because of course, for example, spender, I mean built, you know, Bill collections around fos. Don dark to documents, but visually quite incredible. And I it's funny because occasionally I run into people in Los Angeles who say, oh, my God, you know, I was talking to so and so's in the fashion business, and they know so much about film, and I explained, of course, we know about fellers because we're inspired and every season we have to new collection, and we have such a sense of film history because visually we've gone over all these films in at some point. They've inspired our collections walls are distilled with images of fell. Yes. Yes. I think we probably have a greater understanding film and film history than most people realize realize, no one of my favorite films is a sweet bird of youth Geraldine page. There is no other leading page in those or Kelly dresses as prince's cost plus the broken down. Actress about to have a comeback though. She has a comeback is that what favorite sweet bird of you. It's a very good film say it's one of your favorite. It's my face. Do you like it's just not one of the ones I just watch over Jobe page as a basic. As an actress navy as toys attic, I mean, Jodi page and Wendy, Hiller toys, an addict Dean, Martin just amazing Tennessee sort of film. I think I'm not sure. Toys in the attic. Things happen in that field. Like the way things happening tonal animals thinking about I'll have to rewatch toys, please. We watch toys attic, it's very very beautiful film extraordinary film. Now, we like we like to do love you. Let me ask you, do you. Absolutely love the seventies. Is this your favorite period for everything? You know? I think that well first of all, yes. Chinatowns great movie too. By the way, we're talking about. That is true. That is true. Amazing. Amazing amazing. But I think that everyone is a victim is the wrong thing, but heavily influenced by the era in which they grew up, and they I discovered beauty or music or art, and I was born more sex or sex. But I was born in the early sixties. I grew up in the seventies. So for me that era, I think, you know, it's kind of permanently imprinted in my heart. Dr let's say and by the way, the seventies were very much all about the thirties. Thanks to our friend, Mr Solana that. Very good. This seventies were about the thirties. And by the way, if I grew up in the nineteen thirties. So he entered our money that thirties and the forties, which are also very much about their work. Alway Nikola scares always going to be about the eighties. So I think people are very much influenced by their period. If I were to choose a period out of you know, any period, I could live in I would have chosen thirties, which for me is one of the most beautiful elegant periods ever. And so many citing things happen. I mean, I love where we are. Now, very happy living today's world if I were going to pick another period other than medical care because of course, if you got sick, then you just dot. Harlow like the manners like the politeness like the clothes. I like still there's a leftover formality from the previous century. But it's modern we have cars we have planes. We have telephones sleek cars, you have sleek apartments you have hit. Happening with design and architecture, you know, twenties becoming modern and machine age. And so I think was a beautiful beautiful period. At least looking back at it. But you did not have fifty four in the thirties. No. And I don't think people's teeth. Probably looked as good as they do today. Well, we hear what's hope for change the lanes of bit and go into faster it would aids you realize that you wanted to be was going to be a great faster designer. What did you realize? Thank you for the word grave. Yes. Great great. I didn't honestly realize that. This sounds very silly. And this is a little bit of a silly story. I was studying architecture Parsons, and it was probably nineteen eighty four eighty five and I had gone on a trip oddly to Moscow, and I think we might have even been in Leningrad, which was then called it was called grad now called Saint Peter's. And I I gotten sick on something, which is very rare, and I stayed in that night, and I had been quite depressed because I was close to graduating degree in undergraduate architecture, and it just didn't feel right. And I realized that I always tried to work some sort of fashion into my projects that I would take more care dressing, the people in the models of the house. I was in designing that house, and I just all of a sudden it was literally like piffle, and I thought well, of course, I should be fashion designer I absolutely should be a fashion designer. It was a terrific revelation. So you know, I don't like to be second best. So I started down that path and determined to succeed did succeed, and you are succeeding. Now was your projects a success to season with show now by now by Foale? I noted all stores have the fall clothes in the windows has it works which day. Marshal's standpoint is absolutely worked. We saw spike in sales, which has continued. And so I plan on continuing to do it. I think, you know, the reaction I think in New York in the room and reviews were were were strong. What's interesting about it? I had one reviewer who was very positive first of all almost all of them were positive, but very positive. But then she said perhaps the clothes were a bit tame for Ford. Now, what's going to happen is close are going to become more tame, they are going to go back to an era when women sat in the audience and imagine no I want that I want to order that. No, I can wear that. Because you no longer designing aditorial because there is no at a total for the customer, and you want them to go into the store and buy. So the close work, I think very much me or what become known for my taste. But yes, they were wearable clothes that. The woman in that audience. I wanted them to say I would look good in that I want that. I'm going to go by that. And it's very different because often when you're putting together a collection you say, oh, we've only might sell three or four this. But it's gonna look great on the pages of hope because it's colorful pop off the page, and it's going to work with, you know, they're shooting for bohemian, whatever whatever you thinking about aditorial at the same time when you're designing season out. Whereas when you designing for the season where people are going to see it and buy it or even click and buy it thinking about sales. You felt very good you show that night in New York in September in the four seasons. You felt very good about the success of the whole thing. The way. Good looks windows in Los Angeles. I see the windows medicine avenue. But I did see them in Los Angeles in LA. They looked great. But I particularly love the boots. I love a person that makes a provocation of shoe and you're wearing a boot. And really it's kind of absurd thing to have the he'll out exposing the boot on shades, Shanghai, it prosciutto what inspired that great boot. That was shown. Well, we pur- star spur started working on all those belt, and I had those belt flying around. And I was struggling struggling struggling God. What is the shoe? What is she what is the shoot? Which is for me one of the most important, that's every collection. And I always love that. He'll did that Hillary death Ford for a love that. He'll so I actually pulled out a shoot that I had done my own company about five years ago. And I just took all those belts relying around just wrap them around and strapped it up and cut them up and down and put it on the model's leg at first I had to put her foot in a leather glove because I didn't have the rest of the things so cut the glove off. An old long evening glove lying in the in the sample room, and slip that down in piece it all together with bunch of tape and thought, okay. This is great love this and took pictures and send it to the factory, and and send someone to the factory to put it together and bring it back, and that's how I ended up without shape. So tall for giving us a great process. A secretive process of a boot designed glove tape at boot tape and a leather glove. I think you have to you have to do on the foot. You have to do it on the girl you have to do it with the clothes. You just picked things up you cut them. Sometimes I look around my office. Like right in front of me is sitting, you know, a pen holder made it of dark abalone, and you know, that could turn into a shoe heel. If i'm. Yeah. You can turn into evening clutch or something it could absolutely turn into an evening class. Yes. Just look around and keep your eyes. That's beautiful Tom you had the most beautiful black coat for. And it had gold us reminded me of the diamond dust paintings of Mr. hall in your home cheer her once in LA, but I really have those diamond dust paintings of two. Yeah. And so was printed with gold actual goal. So it was a coat and then printed with gold. Well, I actually thought that it was goal us to speak on it looks like it was shimmering on there. On over printed. They just put the for down, and they just overprint with gold gold just printed on the for. Wow. So let me ask you when you have these wonderful fashion shows the presentations, you always fall back on superstars from the past. Carolyn Murphy, Qadhafi, all of these girls. I mean, had the most beautiful top minerals and defer the skirt was slim pencil skirt that looked like it had ostrich and sparkle the minerals top sparkle the contrast, and then calorific comes on this gorgeous black, no Valetta, gorgeous black velvet velvet. Yes. With the big. Big rapper jewels attached to the bag right now. Why did you feel that these girls are still very viable incredible today on the runway lia's younger than the other two? But these women are in their forties. They have children I left that. I love an adult woman. And I'm not gonna say that. I don't love really beautiful twenty year old. Of course, they are physical perfection their brand new the fresh. They're like a beautiful young pony. There's a beauty to you. I think all of us are no matter what. But I also love an adult. There's something different that happens with all that experience in the way, you carry yourself the way you walk. And you know, I think adults are great on the runway is very read. We see the very rare that we see adults who very well your show I show. I I show beyond say, Lauren Hutton Marley. Berenson these are women who by the way have taken care of themselves. Who are still you know in great shape. They also have great minds. They're doing things. It's I think that's exciting. When you see, you know, woman of of any age who's who's caught with one of your best sales. Will you ever have like the first show in your medicine evidence stalk where you announced the the models and you had everybody be from build say. To learn Hutton to lease is two bottles of that moment. Who Leah who were the great man Lia had actually a quite a lot of up and coming young girl girl to that. But you had the great mix of the great the great superstars. Oh, yes. Super horses, the superheroes. You will have. I'm sure will at some point point. Okay. No. I I believe in kind of feeling the season and changing a little bit each season. Based on what kind of mood were all in culturally, and what kind of mood we are in in fashion. And whether we're tired of certain things or so Cal probably show and quite a few different ways. We in the mood for Tom Ford today Vokes podcast. We're happy to have rare for him to sit down for talk a conversation. Like this Mr. Tom I'd like to ask you one question. What do you think? The worst thing it fascinates today, decorated nails nudity. The worst thing is when you see, unfortunately, quite insecure people completely decked out in a look from the runway head to toe because you can't see any of their own character or personality coming through. And it actually usually makes me sad because I feel I want to go over and talk to those people make sure they're okay because they don't have a strong sense of identity in their insecure. Not that makes me sad. What makes me excited as when I see a piece of my clothing, strong, powerful potent piece, that's put together by a woman or man who you know, has a good sense of self, and they really take that and make it their own. That's a little sad to me about fashion today. What is your favorite accomplice fast collection? Either it's Gucci Tom for it. Or what is your favorite piece that you've ever designed can you quickly after say the seller on Chinese collection that I did right at the end of my. Show seller. Still those pieces are to me incredibly beautiful the one that I did that impacted fashion and my career the most was a show that I did I think in nineteen ninety five or six with white dresses at Gucci Gucci. And the first one with velvet, hip huggers was strong in that one launched my career. But the one that was my favorite from that period where these beautiful long, simple, white dresses, cutouts and and metal on a hip, and I'm still playing with that. I did you know something's not at all similar. But yet you could tell by the same person in this collection. You know, you get to give the world you taste once. Yes. Once you give the world, you taste? It's there, and you continue working on that developing that, but but that is your taste, and I gave the world might taste in the nineties, and it hasn't changed. It's transformed as we were now living. But it's involved in our, you know, the person dress has evolved in its maybe in some ways grown up a bit. But you know, you give the world who taste once it's product. I love each I love, you know, any pick any designer that has a strong point of view their work. And you see a continuous theme hand, you know, that it's the same person designed. Yes, now, I do remember that Chinese clicks seller on what am I friends bought? An extraordinary still souls coat in leopard that was saved almost it had a Goethe shape. Do you remember that of course, a leopard coat? It was very expensive at Neiman, Marcus. But expensive now too. I just paid ninety thousand dollars for one of those dresses because I'm in the process of building. Yeah. My own archives. And so I'm buying clothes back. It's. Very explicit very worth it. Now. What advice would you give to an intern of do you have in terms? What is the best vice give to a young caught work hard? Do whatever it takes sweep the floor pick up pins. Never say, no bequeath ba- fast. You not gonna just jump in designing a collection. You've got to be around. It. You've got to pick up. You. Gotta learn I think people have lost that a little bit today. They expect to come in out of school and go right to the top. And that's not what it's like, you know, I hear that. Sometimes complaining, oh, I'm going out to get his lunch and doing this on doing that not even necessarily about me, maybe someone else in the studio, and, you know, say look my job, I got lunch, and I babysit dogs though. We can't that's just life. So get over it. No, you have to work hard work, hard, work hard. So that we have way to take away is Tom Ford's this work hard to young interns. Now, would you live to pilot own plane, John Travolta, no, I don't want my own plane. I didn't want my plane. I think. You can rent a plane if you need a plane, but there's an old adage that you should always rent Inaba. Floats. One of those rules, but the other two I'm going to continue to the phone wonderful wonderful now, listen what I'm going to say what where do you feel Fania? No, not disasters. No, snakes, spiders will. I don't like snakes very much, but we have wonderful make wonderful. Knicks usually just shoot them. Shoot them. What do you do? Tail off and Richard keeps a bowl on his desk where we throw all the rattlesnake tales. Oh, lovely. That's very unique with Tom for a game revealing wonderful things mostly. I'm I'm very much. Yes, important thing is when you shoot them you've got to remember to put on your blouses because you know, shooting them with a shotgun. In the gravel flies back in your face. Glasses on get you're gonna go out and shoot realm. But it's not a reality. I just have a cousin North Carolina who tells me his tractor and shoots to the copperheads. He takes a gun and shoots. But I. Prisoners. You don't want them around the house rattlesnakes? But I don't want them around, of course. But then I say what do you do after what he says? I just pick them up and drove over the woods dead. You know, a bird elite. No, right. Okay. Going to waste. All right now. What did you do in your last birthday? What what was your last birthday? Like birthday was in Los Angeles, August twenty seven I don't love birthday. So I stayed home with Richard jock my mother. My sister came over. We all Keiko is very quiet family celebration. Good good good. Good Twitter, by the way. My mother lives in Los Angeles. Wonderful and my sister. That's great. So you have a family. That's really cool. I do jackets to see these few said. So he yeah. We have a good family disciplined person. I'd so admire that, so what do you eat for breakfast and lunch for breakfast this morning? I had some raisin brand. But I got up to thirty. I worked out. I just get on a treadmill usually stretching exercise than I had some raising Brown and a gigantic coffee to Beth got Jack up drinking gigantic iced coffee right now for lunch. Sushi pretty much every day for dinner, officiant vegetables, and some sort. And in between that by the way. I'll eat a doughnut or two or. A couple of cheap candy bars. Absolutely. Create based diet, but then a little bit of Joe. Okay. We're gonna go to Woodward's, and you try to answer it when word if you can't. Oh my God. One word is really hard for me to talk. All right glamour. It's funny. Somebody asked me about that word one word. So I'll have to come back to that the other day, and it's worth that. I don't use very much. So I'll just say, gene, Tierney sexy. Oh, that's a hard one. Do these in one word a sentence? A sentence. Sexy. No someone who's comfortable with themselves. Good good Jagua, the animal, not the car. But that e type from the sixties one of those beautiful cars ever can't. We talk about that. Instead. Yes. Yes. Okay. Talk about that a black Jaguar you like the most beautiful cars, ever invented. It's so damned tiny though. And of course, the mechanics aren't what they are today. But it's so beautiful. Okay. I think it has to be actually my favorite car at the entire world seats, cotton linen. I don't like Lenin sheets. They they make your elbows red, scratchy. I don't understand Lennon sheets at all. Okay. Elephants. Something I just think about all the time on day. I have no idea L offense. I don't think about Alvis. There's a story. I reject about a purple elephant. I guess maybe that's the purple elephant ball the story above other Fritz? Well, there is that story about purple elephant come to stay vulgar. Vulgarity? Wow. Arrogance. I think is great. That's great tightness as time. This the strangest from Tennessee kindness is something we all should have. And something I always try to have. I think empathy is is kindness for me. I mean, you have to empathize with people to be truly kind Betty true. Sheikh love. Thin longed. What were just giving us through? I love Betty ca true. That's hard hard breath. Hard that is brilliant golf goal. Golfo eight used to have such good clothes. When I was young. And then I was going to play golf again about ten years ago. And I went out to buy, you know, new golf shoes and everything I was just was appalled at what all looks like now. Yeah. Golf while golfing? A while. I think it's a great sport, actually, especially good older because you can walk. You can talk and think I mean when I was young I used to walk talk thinking drink, but now I don't drink anymore. Bianca Jagger, white and suit Beja marvelous. Marvelous buoy bays soup. Boulia is, yuck. I hate to rebrand the great tooth polish. Jeff koons. Balloon dog. Thank you lovely. That was a wonderful wonderful. This is fascinating with Tom for it. And it's the most fascinating conversation of having a longtime invokes podcast. I'm realtime that you call today. Thank you so much a few final questions, yet dream fashion or do you dream scenes? Do you dream fashion end things? Do you go to? I often just have nightmares. Hits hits sort of you know, because even when it's something insignificant in my dreams they turned into nightmares. Now, my last question is, and I thank you for this wonderful conversation. What do you hope for your son, Jack when he becomes eighteen? That I just Mabel to help him fulfill his destiny, I have no preconceived notion as to what Jack should be do. We all have our undetonated, and I certainly don't want to live vicariously through him. So as all I hope is that he's happy and that he is fulfilling his destiny, whatever that destiny might be is he taking lessons as ease for. And of course, now, he swims and he plays tennis and the play soccer, and he's very sporty. And yeah, he takes our class and a little French class and teach all this things at school. And it's it's good. So what is the rest of your day? Like, what are you gonna do day to day on a Friday? Don't worry. I have plenty of work to do. I talking to you is like talking to George Kuku. I would've imagined that. I would have a conversation with Mr. George Kuka. It would run like this. I thank you for the beautiful work. You do always. And it's a great privilege and president talk to you for vote podcasts. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great day, Tom. Thanks caller. Okay. Bye. Bye. The vote podcast is for Duchesne of vogue magazine recorded here at one World Trade Center and produced by Nagaa Hammadi, and he'll be Couric sound engineering by David Lauren's and hosted by me.
a16z Podcast: The Biology of Pain
"Hi and welcome to the ACC podcast. I'm Hannah in this episode. We talk all about the biology of pain with Clifford Wolf professor of neurobiology at Harvard Medical. The school who has dedicated his career to the subject the conversation covers everything you ever wondered about the nature of pain from why we even feel it and what the biological purpose of pain in as to whether or not all pain is the same or if some kinds of pain function differently feel different have different purposes or even if some people feel pain differently from others yes wolf describes the four different broad types of pain we experience what the purpose of each one is what it means now that we can phenotype different kinds of pain and begin to understand them as distinct and different from each other and how technology is enabling this new deeper and much more complex understanding of the nature of pain we also talk about what the biological link between pain and addiction really is plus the one thing you might do that. We know makes your experience of pain worse even working on the subject of pain for your entire career. What drew you to that subject to begin with. What was it that first sparked that initial interest for you and where you began investigating when I was as a medical student I was on the surgical ward and I'm at at that time there was minimal treatment for post operative pain so I came into the warden they will group of patients who has had major Sierra surgery and all of them were in severe discomfort said to the the attending attending surgeon. What are you doing. Why don't you treat them with pain and he's looks at me as if I was crazy new said they've just had surgery what you expect there in pay even the idea of treating the pain gene was not up absolutely thought you have said we have pain and then you put up with it until the pain goes and I and I just looked at myself that doesn't sound right at that time there was very little understanding of the mechanisms of pain and indeed of very few treatment options now we have much greater understanding standing but unfortunately in the treatment options haven't really expanded and they also accompanied by undesired effects particularly in the case of the opioids Royds so let's talk a little bit about what the understanding looked like then and what it's beginning to look like now so what was our understanding of the mechanism of pain back then when we just sort of assumed doc id you have surgery urine pain a time to slow the old pain is is similar veges you either have no pain or you have pain and if you have pain it's an unpleasant sensation sation. The closest analogy would be like flicking a switch that switched on the pain sensation in your in your brain so we thought it was that simple we thought there was a perfect trigger which could be mild like a pinprick or touching something harder to cold or larger in the sense of major trauma all post-surgical there was something that was activating the pain switch and that all the triggers of pain acted on a single system in a single way and therefore will payne really was not present or mild moderate or severe that was the full range of the understanding of payment describe a little bit what the thought was around that that system like how would that system be activated or how what was our understanding of that system will appreciate. The pain has two facets. One one is an essential early warning device in tells us of danger in the environment and without it. There's a high risk that we may injure ourselves so you need this alarm system. If you like and in the case of surgery that alarm system is going because you're vulnerable you're exposed or healing alarm system is activated by the surgeons damage that has created in the patient and then the alarm system continues until that that tissue no injuries repaired but what is happening in a patient has persistent paying for years and years and years why is that pain alarm activated continuously and they really there was no explanation at the time so that's where you began your research exactly at that time if you had mild pain than you took a non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs like tylenol or advil. If you had more severe pain you add a week opioid to your your end Sade and if you had severe pain and that's that's the point at which you'd give a stronger opioid and the World Health Organization had an analgesic ladder that it literally was that mild moderate severe pain increasing the strength of the analgesic and again keeping with this notion that pain was a unitary system activated by different triggers of different intensity. It's so simple it makes me think of the signs in the nurses doctors office with the smiling faces like even that is a whole order of magnitude above in terms of understand the the reality is to the Smiley faces would would not be smiling if they saw how complicated pain was the notion that there's a simple switch is just incorrect. The notion that pain can be defined by its severity as mild moderate or severe is incorrect and the notion that the treatment should be based on that is also incorrect. What is it that has shifted shifted in our understanding of the biology of how much more complex it as pain as an early warning device kind of raid off danger. If you like is completely different from the pain that occurs in the setting of a patient who has persistent pain quality of the pain would know that was the confusing element. Yeah we use the same word pain to describe both and therefore physicians and patients felt this is the same phenomenon but in fact the pain that we experience does it does not reflect what is initiating and sustaining the pain in the case of pain is a protective mechanism. You need just an intense. demille is one of sufficient patient. intensive potentially can damage. I'll tissues and now we have this very elaborate system that has been designed to detect that danger so we have a specialized sensory neurons are activated only by intense stimuli and went win. They reached that threshold which is just below the point which damaged Kenneka. We feel a pinprick all the point at which something that is too warm and has the risk of burning us and is that threshold our sold the same for everyone or a different forever. It's surprisingly similar that if you measure it and in in a situation where you're removal the emotional channel aspects of the threshold at which someone feel something is being warm and then hot and they went and switches to actually painful is it is forty two degrees with a surprisingly small variation that is surprising so the idea of being more pain tolerant and because of your accumulated experiences or sensitivities is that not is true but that is not for that kind of pay if you're drinking your coffee Ram. It's too hot. Benz your tongue. You will stop drinking it immediately. You ain't even aware of it. We've all learned to take a little SIP and maybe not even put the coffee now mouth so we've been trained by experience. We try and avoid that pay for that. Protect a pain to work. The pain has to be unpleasant and in order for it to work. You can't say I'll deal with it later. You've got to deal with immediately yeah so demands our attention and it's intense and it's it's unpleasant and and and in that sense it is that analogy of switch. You have switched on something that focus your attention. I have to do something. I have to avoid the situation immediately. We're talking a matter matter of seconds. It's actually incredibly effective when you think about it like that. A very effective tool be protective mechanism of pain requires an intensive minister activated. We've a noxious stimulus stimulus and we actually call this no sept- of pain which is the payment is initiated by noxious stimuli now the big difference coming back to Pacific pain and we now no longer dealing with protection from injury because they injury has occurred at could Ivica traumatically. If you involve motor vehicle accident or it could be because you have surgery in both cases this trauma to tissue you no longer need a protective system to prevent tissue damage because you have tissue so what happens there eh instead of protecting you from tissue damage illusion has developed a system that helps the the injury to heal and how what does it do that. It makes the injured pot hypersensitive. If you think about an injury or an inflammation just touching that wounded site will we'll produce pain so we are now going to a complete shift. The pain is now activated by a stimulus that would normally be innocuous as sensation that would normally have just be light-touch all in the case of a bad sunburn a shower that would normally be pleasantly warm is now burning hot even though the temperature is not in the heart rate so it's not about the stimulus. It's about the condition. Absolutely nervous system has changed. It's become hypersensitive such that normally knock US stimuli are now now activating the pain system and we have a tenderness soreness a heightened sense of pain. This is an adaptive adaptive thing for example if after major abdominal surgery if there were a way to completely eliminate the pain and you say fine. I'll go for a jog bet. I bet would not be a good idea because you've got this wounded tissue. It needs time for the wound to heal to repair itself and the same with your arthritis. This web is damage to the joint. If you excessively use the joint interview pain-free you would damage that join. It's still essentially protective in nature. It's not protecting to hear from the external environment and potential danger to tissue is protecting the injured body part from Thurber injury allowing repair. I took Kirk and so finally the pain that I thought I I wanted to cure postoperative pain or post traumatic pain so you do want to try and reduce it to make people feel feel comfortable but at the same time if you eliminated that would be a real problem that then leads out patients who may not have any surgery they have have no tissue damage and who have pain that just pisses full for years and years and years one of the Communist causes of that is damage to the nervous system itself and we call that neuropathic pain and we now appreciate this is no longer telling us about the prisoner of noxious stimuli or the presence of an injured apart. It is the malfunction nervous system itself. It is a disease of the nervous system and his mechanistically quite different from either the two kinds of pains that there's three major categories of pain now. I'm there's one Fulton yeah again and this is a group of patients tend not exclusively exclusively but tend to be women. There's no noxious stimuli. There's no tissue. Inflammation is no damage to the nervous system but they may have chronic nick widespread pain and for a long time this was labeled as psychosomatic and there was almost a blame feature to bet label you to to the patients but now we realize they to have an abnormal system. The reason they feeling pain is because it is if someone has switched which took the volume control in this central nervous system such that want to be a a soft sound is now very loud and for them. A soft touch now produces pain so they this is pathological functioning of the nervous system in the absence of damage to the nervous system. Is it congenital in those cases overall job most clinical pain conditions. There is actually a very strong heritable component. Something like fifty percent of the the risk of developing pain is heritable. We know that from twin studies so I if you look identical twins if one of the twins is has clinical pain. There's a very high chance that the identical twin will have a if they're not identical it's lower and if they're not related them falls also way back so something like fifty percent of is driven by genetic variances that we get from our parents. You talk about phenotype ing pain. That's what you mean. Essentially now that we're able to understand which type of pain and therefore treat it presumably treated differently wrote what was behind the scientific diffic- breakthroughs that made that possible where their technological reasons or just sort of the accumulation over time of understanding what we're the pinnacle moments that shifted things uh-huh technology now does enabled us to interrogate the function of the nervous system in a way that wasn't possible we can see activity using a number of you've of indicators we can also opt to genetically activate specific pots the nervous system it is now possible in preclinical models to genetically etiquette target a light sensitive protein into define sets of neurons and you can then use a laser light to activate those sets of neurons in a very controlled old way super precise absolutely precise and you can you can then dissect out rule of each sets of neurons in particular circuits in a way that just wasn't possible so this is a very exciting technological breakthroughs and the same thing with recording we can genetically put calcium sensitive dyes into specific sets of neurons and use little microscopes and from that concede the activity of a broad populations of neurons in different circumstances so we this is an extremely exciting time in neuroscience these technological breakthroughs on nailing us to dissect out the function of the brain so what what you're saying is essentially with these new tools were seeing different areas light up in different ways than we want expected which categorizes into different types of have pain and reaction the breakthrough came when we realized that acuteness deceptive protective pain was different from inflammatory or neuropathic and then what recall dysfunctional pain. There's been a whole set of data looking at the mechanisms that drive each of them. What exactly happens when you have a noxious pinch. which sets of neurons are activated? How does this environmental mechanical stimulus get converted into electrical activity which neurons transmitted what out of the signals that they used to transfer the input from the periphery to the central nervous system which parts of the brain to the activate which circuits all of that we're beginning getting to dissect out and as we do that we revealing potential points of which they could be therapeutic intervention. I think our greatest understanding now is the protected paid and how it switched on which sets of neurons responsible which parts of the spinal cord and brain vote we also know. Oh that's in the presence of inflammation as part of the tissue injury is a massive recruitment of the immune system these produce signaling molecules that act on the neurons there are also changes in the central nervous system as well as its becomes activated. There are changes such that the transmission of of input can be amplified fide it can spread so that yes at the site of the tissue injury as expected that actually the tissue surrounding which is not not engine that is also hypersensitive and that is a manifestation of the presence in the central nervous system of what we call central sensitization and abnormal at both times both peripheral sensitization where be threshold is reduced and within the central nervous system that there is an amplification a of the signals such that inputs would normally not be painful now begin to drive pain so now it begins to seem like our ways of treating pain had been then just this huge hammer that we've been hitting all kinds of different things with this giant blunt instrument absolutely so let's talk about the link between in pain and addiction we think about pain as being linked to addiction because of the category of opiates largely. Can I ask got a little bit about the science behind what we understand to be going on there neurologically speaking why those two tend to go hand in hand or are we able to you pull them apart. The big problem with opioids is that in addition to reducing pain a they produce a you for the addiction comes from that euphoric signal which occurs in the brain and the different part of the brain from where they act to reduce pain and so you have two parallel systems you have pain and its reduction by opioids and then you have the pleasure centers that are activated by morphine which gives someone a high and not everyone has it but those people who who who do then I initiate a craving behavior and again there are certain individuals who have a high risk of craving who then become dependent and addicted addicted but the analgesic does not mean that there's going to be euphoria it just so happens in the case of opioids of which morphine his in typical example not only does it reduce pain but it produces the sense of wellbeing of few Fauria of happiness but you don't need to switch that system on to get the pain relief so since it's extremely bad luck the intertwining of pain and addiction now is is largely through the fact that through opioid prescription has until very recently been the means by which people introduced to opioids so I'm until a few years ago. If you had dental surgery your dentist would give you twenty oxy Coda. Why was was it always so much. It always seemed like much more than one would need because what a big switch from your post-surgery post-surgery beds where the two okay well pains just part of so basically this is not the first opioid crisis that we've had we've in the nineteenth century three was massive addiction the famous opium wars so the addictive qualities in the respect your depression and all the band features. There's of opioids have been around since the extract of of the poppy was recognized. It was for that reason that in the middle of the twentieth century physicians worry worry highly wary of treating patients with opioids and that's why on my first exposure patients literally crying in pain because because of the backlash because of the backlash I'll how interest is like a pendulum so then then what happened in the early eighties the the view came that if you gave a morphine equivalent drugs to patients in pain there was no risk of addiction this came from from palliative care because there was a in the eighties a growing recognition that patients with terminal cancer did need very active active treatment and a big part of that clearly is moving. Those patients do need opioids must must've amendment they'll delay they stage of life and from that very good use it spread out to say patients who don't have terminal cancer who have pain also need opioids and a a belief appeared in the medical profession that if you gave morphine or any other opioid to patients with pain there was no no risk of addiction there is not based on proper studies and it's turned out to be incorrect so that led to of enormous expansion in the prescription of opioid so it wasn't so much that there was any kind of intentional sort of extra it was just it was thought not to matter not to pose a risk and not to pose a risk it was done with the best of intentions the idea was if you have a patient with pain given appropriate treatment the prescription opioids where the avenue you initially in our current opioid crisis the means by which people could become introduced to to opioids although there have been many attempts to train nine designed drugs that only have analgesic if they act through the Mu opioid receptor. I think in the end the risks are very high that you will. I'm always get the risk of addiction and abuse but why is the euphoria addictive. I mean I feel euphoria. You know over. I I don't know emotional events and I feel that I can experience it and let it go. What is happening there that that kind of euphoria leads to do the uncontrolled craving? If you gave a hundred people morphine some of them would feel terrible. Nausea some would feel they all floating on the cloud and and happy and all the worries disappeared and others wouldn't and again reflects how the genetic variation but they are a group of people who when they are exposed to move fuel so pleasant and on top of it when the morphine wears off they feel so terrible that they develop that craving so it's it's a combination of the positive feeling they get when they have the morphine and the terrible negative feeling when it wears wears off. It's actually the strengthened negative feeling that is one of the major drivers of addiction. If you ask addicts they'll say they first exposure was intensely pleasant and they've never been able to reach that same high again however when they stop it they feel so terrible worse than they ever did starting off with that they they now just trying to get back to a normal balanced feeling now. I sort of understand stanton confluence of cultural what you grow up around or how hole of a person you feel you are right the psychological and the cultural stuff. It's about the contrast. It's not necessarily the euphoria but the contrast of the euphoria and the lack then of it if you have a job that is is not satisfying. What's your if your family situation where your economic situation is dire and and all these other features then you take a drag that makes you feel happy and and then that becomes a driver of that so when you start to get this level of detail and resolution sort of understanding the different pathways ways and the different systems that are being triggered. What do you see going forward for where we intervene. Are there solutions starting to change how we treat eight the pain as well absolutely not I. I'm very optimistic. I think we're GONNA move away from the blunt approach with see pain as a single box through only the same therapy at to now having the means to identify in a patient. What is the drive of pain. What is there a particular set of pathological cool changes that are causing that pain and that will suggest what is the most appropriate treatment and that's called the phenotype is the total pain presentation in the patient and all its features that will reflect the mechanisms that are driving it and then we can use that to what we call segmentation. We can instead instead of the population as a whole we can break down. This is a patient where the pain is entirely periphery. It's been driven by for example. If you have a thorn in your hill and you didn't remove it and whenever you walked you'd have pain but that pain has a definable Kohl's and in in fact would you need to do is remove that thorn and your pain will disappear well. You'll then you'll have another kind of pain for a little while. You can identify because and you can talk of treatment what the challenge were asked. Now is to find the equivalent of Thornton these changes in the function of the nervous system but once we can find the mechanisms assumes that operating and use that to help us choose the most appropriate treatment for the patient. One of the big problems in pain management has been the even those drugs that the FDA has approved such as pre cabin for treatment of neuropathic pain. The vast majority of patients Louis greater than fifty percent do not respond at all they get no benefit whatsoever was the drug chosen because of its lack of side side effects like addiction so the FDA has two choices to make when they approving drag the biggest fat is safety so if if a drug has no ooh minimal adverse effects side effects that that is a very big plastic then they look for efficacy. You need that in order to get approval and put a label to say I can use this drug to treat neuropathic pain but they're andrew why you'd say it'll work in all patients with neuropathic pain you just need to the pharmaceutical company just needs to show that it is significantly better than no treatment and that may mean literally it works and thirty percent and what about the seventy percent. They get no benefit in the thirty percent that it did help. was that a drug that intervened in the pathways in a different way. It's a case of Serendipity or empirical observation. Pre Cabin was a derivative of an early drag Gabby Pennington gap pension. has its name indicated was designed to be similar to one of the major inhibitory transmitters in the brain it was done designed in this way to switch over activity of neurons in the brain in the case of epilepsy and pain and other similar conditions but it turned out that it it didn't actually act this way at all but it did have some analgesic signal and for even off it was marketed an approved by the FDA took a long time time before does discovered exactly what that signals and even to this day is not absolutely clear. Why activation of those particular targets produces some patients not in ours? So how do you even begin to consider new therapeutic approaches. When you're at the stage of just sort of mapping or do you feel we're past mapping and we're starting to understand other kinds of interventions? What are the modalities of treatment for pain that we're going to start beginning to see a big part of my career. It has been a trying to identify the mechanisms of payments basis for designing a new generation of treatments that would mean that we could make a opioid appearance obsolete the technological advances in biomedicine as a whole have really transformed the way we can approach even something as complicated as as pain we now know much more about the nature of Tissue Injury Inflammation that occurs in these signaling molecules that are released and how to block them we now know much more about excitability of neurons and how they change and how we can talk about in his signaling leads to the production of pain may be different from others and that enables us to get selectivity but we also have as I've indicated can recognize that in patients who have neuropathic pain we now know the downstream effects that damage what are the pathophysiology changes that have occurred and now can design treatment to intervene at at the moment most of the treatment to switches off those changes its symptom control but in the relative native near future we will also so get disease modifying treatment where we can recognize that if a surgeon damages a nerve during the surgery is a high-risk particularly those people who have genetic netted predisposition for the development of chronic neuropathic pain and we will be able to say this person is very high risk therefore we can give a treatment that will prevent the evolution of those pathological processes in the brain that will cause persistent neuropathic pain so now you're shifting to kind of prevention bottle from the very beginning whereas the almost by definition pain seemed like there there was no possibility for preventative unless you live in a bubble rate isn't that we by nature encounter this. I wanted to ask you something a little bit wacky about pain which is if these are certain receptors and certain pathways you have different types and we're beginning ain't understand what happens in these different systems. Do you believe in our psychological ability to manage pain. Is that a real thing ideas around self hypnosis no Sir Sir Meditation or what effective those have on the brain or is it just are we just telling ourselves stories in the end what we feel is that the net result aww the totality of brain function and so if you have pain on your depressed those will be additive if you have pain and you're depressed I and this interferes with your sleep that will increase your pain so you can get into vicious cycles where you're paying gets worse and worse and they feel mood changes and therefore interventions such as distractions may not switch off your pain but can make it bearable that set me as can be a big feature and and and should be part of the totality of treatment. We shouldn't just rely on on medication. It's generally not enough one of the breakthroughs of last decade or so has been the recognition that a placebo with we see that as a problem because it makes it difficult when we do clinical trials to identify new treatments in in other words you give a patient just a sugar pill and they respond well to that and how you're going to differentiate that from an active compound but that the CBO's Agnese not wishful thinking it is the activation and we know that from functional imaging of very specific parts of the brain which then unsuppressible reduce the the activity of those parts of the brain that generate the sensation of pain so it is having a biological factors biological effect. I am certainly anything that can skit on would be is beneficial. It's more variable and difficult to manage but interventions such as acupuncture of very good switching which you on the placebo. That's fascinating. What you're saying is that that actually could intern cycle back into how you experience the physical pain and just that the in the overall composite of how your brain is a system is behaving? There's been a lot of work in trying to identify all these confounded founders all contributors to pay and the one that seems stronger is set the record catastrophes ation that this is a definable all feature of our our makeup that there are some people who if they have a problem make it worse but the kind of anxiety is a exa- exactly exactly that and that definitely is highly correlated with the the intensity of pain that people experience and if you can talk that catastrophes ation where you can get people people to overcome that anxiety the sense of powerlessness and lack of ownership of a pain that is again a very good treatment medalla to it's not a magic switch. It's a cycle that you're interrupting what needs to sit in the context. It's more useful in the setting. If you have daily paying saying that that you can control and suppress and deal with in the next five years how does our current framework need to shift in the system again in order to allow this different kind of understanding of pain to have actual effect in in the clinic and in the hospital. The greatest challenge for pain is that is a subjective Jackson experience icon new your pain. You can't no mine when I save my pain nine out of ten on the note ten scale and tomorrow say it's five out of ten and how how accurate do you think that is and as a smiley faces in the picture aspect it's extremely difficult and what if the patient is a neo natal baby all and adult who has Alzheimer's disease and who cannot report the how do we how do we measure that so I think accrual element is we need new objective ways of surrogate of pain pain biomarkers one of the most promising ways they'll be others for sure. Eddie's to use functional brain imaging to look at the changes in the activity patents the brain this has been around for some time than signals have been very noisy in using artificial intelligence as a as a tool to help us measure pain now instead of having a human look at the patterns of changes activity not and say that constitutes the presence of pain but she learning algorithms that are picking up patterns that we wouldn't even have detected and correlating that I'm leaving uh-huh so it's a point now but the signals we can get from functional image will tell us that there's a very high likelihood that the patient has pain. Oh not doc pain that also raises ethical issues because if someone says they have pain functional imaging says there's no equivalent. How do you deal with that but ah the positive is that we are now have tools to go beyond just relying on someone say I have very bad pain. I have no pain to appointed which can understand understand the changes that underlie that pain and and and the associated feature because not only do you pick up the sensory experience but you do pick up the the changes that reflect the anxiety helplessness the other features that constitute the entire picture better patient has and take it from the round the purely subjective to objective exactly. I'm helping us in preclinical studies because again we paint is extremely complex complex that many different features if we study those neurons that are other than the prime initiators for pain that we can actually grew using stem cell acknowledge that we can take patient stem cells. We can convert them into neurons. We can look at the features of the function new in the pasta used to look at one feature. Say the firing of action potentials as a surrogate for your activity. Now we recognized bill tens of features phenotype says recall that constitute the entire functional repertoire of these bills and again machine learning is helping us see the patterns and how they correlate with a normal state of disease state what kind disease state and the response to treatment so we'd now have tools lost to embrace complexity and and from that define what the the components in which ones are relevant and important and which wants to go and where to go next next will identifying other targets that are looking very promising and I'm optimistic in consequence. I think we'll be able to make choices about which are the best targets to go full find the means try to find the best modalities to go for the targets to develop new ways of running clinical trials to be more sensitive both to suppress symptoms but also to prevent the evolution permanent changes in the function system. That is a big driver of the chronicity of of pain. Do you think that if we are able to get to that stage it would just roll through the system and become adopted or would there be challenges always challenges a- as is typical in in in biotech. They're going to be many failures. I think it is important that we go full risky because some of them will pan out out but the portfolio of potential possibilities is sufficient exciting now but I do think this is that we'll be able to look back in the near near future say at lost we both understand pain and we know controllers in a way that has just simply not been possible before I feel feel like we need a new thing in the doctor's office that says you're experiencing one of these four different types of pain starters. Thank you so much for joining us on the A sixteen Z podcast.