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Girls Talkin 'Boys: What Cowboys moments made you cry?

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Girls Talkin 'Boys: What Cowboys moments made you cry?

"What's up guys? It's Kelsey Charles and Mary here with girls. Talking Boys Happy Friday. Everyone gotta get down on Friday. I love your thing that can't stop and I won't stop. It's honestly true like it's Rebecca. Don't one day our member I'll make sure up carly don't record so it's not just us to on the line with you guys. Do you guys have surprise? Rise Bonus Friday edition. We've been on the Ocho you probably have heard of RJ show before probably our fearless leader over at logging. The boys so we decided to return the favor and invite him on our show. Do a crossover event. You always wanted full crossover for you your RJ. Welcome what is this is a crossover who's grey's anatomy and whose private practice who were always adamy. Sorry I'm really glad that she's on my team. Because I'm we argue. I haven't seen either of those nights I didn't even. What is private practice Omega? Spinoff from grey's anatomy with Addison on what was big dreams at Walsh. Sri Knee is. Yeah in Dr Gray in Meredith. Yes those like warn characters so we're not we worked. What are you are you? Are you okay with that decision? I never watched private practice and I bailed on Grey's like eleven seasons in maybe not that much But it was a while like I gave it a good shot but not once that sucks for you being upset like other things in my life they just like keep killing characters and yeah they really do while but not married grind. It's like an actual soap opera. It is oh yeah and so. That's what I imagined whenever I think about people that work at hospitals it has bureau. Well if I ever saw something so accurate in my life Yeah exactly grace is grace so you guys were obviously deep into whatever. I guess you can call offseason off offseason because we're not quite sure like what's happening. What's not but we're to go ahead and call nop season and I have been doing a lot of reminiscent because the causes there to do truly the content that teams and outlets are putting out right now. Our lawn throwbacks like it's TVD every day so Entry Form espy nation. Our flagship came through with a question that I was scrolling through my feed today I was like Oh oh simple but good what sports moment you cried tears of joy and I was like wait a minute. I feel like unfortunately as a cowboys fan. I do a lot of crying but I feel like I also do a lot of crying tears of joy so I had to bring in you guys into the conversation and and go full cowboys with hypothetical questions on what cowboys moments specifically have made you cry. Tears of joy. I mean. The Tears of joy aren't as prevalent as the tears of sadness On the lake as blades. I don't know tears of joy. I think someone actually commented this. I'll have to look and see who agrees with me here. But that does touchdown after his dad died in Pittsburgh. Yeah that was that was big. That was a wild play to. Yes what year was that twenty sixteen. Yeah November Fifteenth November. Sixteen th two thousand sixteen brand dead fourteen. He'll also agree with me on that. So shout out to you on twitter man. I forgot about that. That was the first thing that came to my mind. But that's a good one. Yeah as one about your day. I mean there emotional moments like these are. These are different right. Like there's makes you cry like sports happiness when the cowboys went to Cincinnati in two thousand twelve after losing team it was really really really emotional. And then that was not a last second win but kind of late win and that was that was tough. I think if I'm talking like just happiness just pumped about the win type thing We did tweet this out at log on the boys Somebody snakes that instagram handle enough. Ever told you that so that's why. It's blogging dot the dot boys. I know it's ex But a lot of people said and I agree the Lions playoff win in two thousand fourteen was incredibly Cathartic. And that's that's all where a lot of the tears were from just like like a release more than just happy's that was like one of the first Games Stole tickets from Dave to really. Yes you came. Days said from now on. You have to send me to have Reagan. I mean it feels like you know. You're lucky charm. I would say so. I mean I've seen some loss but mostly what your record. My record is pretty strong. I think I only seen like one or two losses in person. Oh Yeah don't have a list. She has if I had the schedules in front of me. I could probably go through until you yet. She has her which is like I was. I was up the saints Saints game where we it was like. Yes that's Boudou right next question and I was at the seahawks game in Sierra was sitting behind me and I definitely told her to one to step it out of the stadium. So you know you did it. You really yeah. I was yelling at her. It was not very nice with me. Maybe that's why people don't want go to wait a minute. I just I like for real the last ten seconds. I thought you were talking about like gals friend. Second just going to be mad at. Yeah now I definitely want to step out of here and she was like have you need to put together? I have a list of all. The games have gone to ticket. And all the ones I've gone to the credential and so they're like and have got what you know whatever but I've got like pull my record my record like you have a credential. 'cause I probably have beat you in Before God definitely quick actually. This is a little bit like peek behind the curtain story. My first year with credential. It didn't have the text that was printed on it like at the bottom. It only had my photo and so it it says like what is it like. Pb Dash whatever it is and so every week I had literally every game had to go to one of the PR four and get like the single game. Credential are entitled around my Laminate One. It was a bit of a pain but But I have my whole record broken down and so you need to do that so that we can come up with like mainly it wouldn't take me long to figure it out on a say. I'll make Dave Gobert withy. Meanwhile I can't remember what I had breakfast so amidst neon this exercise real quick. I'm like I got nothing you guys like. I know the years I worked for the team which means I was at every game so you know I at least have those nail down for you. That's what will do I. I can get back to you on that sure. Yeah Yeah I would say my moment Tears of joy I would say yeah again like I pull a lot from when I worked for the team but that those are really special. Cowboys moments for me When we won the NFC east and we got those run the east shirts a Ha. That's actually so again for those of you that listen to A lot of our stuff. You've heard me repeat this story over and over again. I probably will million more times with the Dez chasing after me on downtown in the rain in the rain. That was right before the colts game it was. It was cold outside. Your is raining in the cold. And you're running respect. Yeah I'm boss. I don't respect that. I think you're weird but yeah so that was just really really cool for me. Because I don't know like working for the team I eastern Run Training Camp while I obviously did media things you really felt like. You're a part of this success of the team if you will and being able to. I don't know it was just like really really fulfilling to watch go from beginning to end like that. And obviously we know how it ultimately ended up ending But that was just a really really really cool moment for me and I'll never forget that so I don't think I cry but I pretty much have cried tears of joy. That wasn't part of the exercise. Just getting I will say to. You mentioned training camp. I feel like that's were more emotional. Things happen because they've all got their families and like they've got their kids and toddlers and stuff. I took this photo last year of Randall Cobb with his son and it was like looking at it later that night I was just like man like this is this is what it's all about and so that's a little bit not like quite tears but that's like you know the cortisone. It gets a little bit there. I actually love you. Say That because training. You're so right about that. Obviously it's very serious in. They're starting to install their offices. A decent events in your out cut down like down to the final roster But yeah a lot of these guys have their families and they come they bring their families out there and they stay either a good chocolate timer time and you get to see them with their kids which is really fine. I have a moment. That was one of my favorite moments at a training camp ever and it was with Romo and we used to do this thing with Albertsons where we would have local kids that were in the boys and Girls Club. They would come out to training camp of the day and we'd like Host emanating have the site really cool up in close personal experience and it was always before the blue. In the right in white scrimmage so we would line them up right on the side of the Of the locker room where the guys with run down a little hill mulch him onto the practice field and they would be. It was helmet carrier. So you have these little kids in as the player walks out you up in grab grab a kid out of the line are like you know With like here's your kid. Like give them your helmet using to walk out with you like hand-in-hand Talk Soccer players all the time like walking the field. So we kind of recreated that and there is this these two brothers and They think they couldn't have been more than eight years. Old and one of them was a little bit younger and he was so afraid and it turns out. His Dad actually walked up to mean in he was like hey like he's actually Autistic this is a lot for him and I was like I totally get it totally get it and as you come stay with him if you want and so. I started talking to him in asking what is player was like you start to calm down a little bit just because again. He's over stimulated I think and turns out. He's a massive. Tony Romo Fan like massive. Tony Romo Fan right and I mean who's right so As we are having the guys walk out onto the field I see Rome out of the corner of my eye and I run up like grab this kid in his dad in the two two brothers and I'm like all right. Well you guys with Roma like go on in his face he was like. Oh my God like he was so excited he got to carry. Romo's helmet onto the deal. Actually I have a picture of it. And that was one of bike. The cutest moments for me a heartfelt moments of my career. It's a small moment but like really was really cool like Tony. I told Tony as walking onto the him as a heads up he he took a couple extra minutes like talk to him and it was just really cool so I totally agree with you. Like training camp produces a lot of moments like that for sure. I also in thinking more about it. Not An on the field moment but when Jason witten retired There was that like Super Subtle parade that he had at the star and And then they were all giving speeches and everything and Jason Garrett told the why option story when he talked about how that play only worked because and then he got choked up right before he says name down was that was a because they had like just released and that was A. That was a tough deal to swallow at the time still is you're talking to the wrong crew. Our being salty about bags you have when you're gonNA save training camp. I saw you like she's GonNa say that was probably one of our like I like friendship. Hangs honesty is when I went to training camp so for those? That don't know in this is going to be like if you're pretty old school Dc DOT COM her Rohan cabiner is kind of the reason. Why the Dave Hellman Kelsey? Charles Megan Murray individual friendships exists because Megan. Rohan grew up together here in Dallas. Anyways I doubt Pollino Yup chats up Plano so yeah you came to training camp with. That was the manning of the got us to get on the field that was Super Assem. And oh a and I met Chris Harrison. So that's really why he became friends. Details kind of big deal. That's awesome. Okay wait I wanna read the ones we asked you guys on twitter to give us some of your answers to these honoree. Tunisian gets reactions to them and see if you agree or don't agree. This is GonNa be the responses to what cowboys on? It made you cry. Tears of joy. Tony Romo's last drivers's Philly in week in two thousand sixteen we watch New Orleans we really yeah at Brown around. Yeah Oh my gosh you guys. I love to talk about Bobby and how? He's a great troll. He made this video like a week. After that I'll find it and And it was it was that play like slowed down and the moment that Romo turns around and like Garrett and deck and Mark Sanchez are like happy and everything Whitney Houston's I will always love you pops on. It was just the funniest video at the time. But that was I guess but that was cool but by that point I was like whatever like whatever but it i. That's a different. That's a different emotion. Fair I mean I as a person who did not hate. Romo it was the I was really surreal and Kinda like sad like you knew. That was his last drive with the team. So and then you know of course was. The speech followed that right. Yeah Yeah No. The speech was after the Pittsburgh game. Well there you go taxi. I can't blame it on quarantine because I have mixed up made days all the time. So that's a rarity so I'll hold it against you but either way I go very final so I can see why that is one another. I guess that's that is actually tears of joy for him. Yeah that's I don't really on the tears of joy on that said. Yeah another one drafting. Cd Lamb. I think I feel like this is very relatable for most cowboys fans Drafting the skill player. In we've we've beat that narrative into the ground Across all platforms. Yeah that was cool and I don't know I didn't cry are probably did cry a little bit on that. I was excited in. Maybe this is a peek. At the way I look at things I was excited for the content like immediately I was like oh awesome like a wide receiver. This it was just it was. Is that what you do like? The guy's got his name is CD. You know what I mean like You can make emojis with his first and last name you know what I mean like. It's I was more pompton. It was it was more like like like when you show up to like your favorite restaurant. Unlike your favorite meal is like in stock ruined every. That's the motion. I felt when they drafted. I mean I don't know when your favorite meal is like out of stock. I'm thinking of quarantine is getting to you in that regard. It's like like like when you go when you want chick-fil-a on Sundays and then that's the perverse emotion. That's fair. Do you remember drunk. You put it in the refrigerator. And you're like hell heat this up that's chick-fil-a on Sunday. That's way to do a good metaphor right there. That's you're welcome. Let me upgrade row. Quick actually I feel like on. Emt like big cat said that what used as a business where they just took all Saturday and they bought out all the chick-fil-a and then they just kept it in a in a warmer and they started selling it in upcharging. You on Sundays businessman. Honestly I would buy it if you give me chicken. Minis at like ten. Am after along our Saturday. I'll spend fifty dollars for four hundred may physically. What delivery services are? This is I've said people have to say like cold pizza's really good. Like I remember when I was kid. My mom would have like events at work and they would bring sure. Bring home like chick. Chick-fil-a platters and I feel like this is gonna sound gross but chick-fil-a nuggets that have been at room temp for like a few hours are really good. I don't know underrated. Yeah Yeah I completely agree with that a couple other ones that I liked John. Dyer said Tears of joy when emmitt hugged Moose after breaking the all time rushing record. Yeah it when he talked to Move City Hall of fame induction to and he was like. You took care of me like I was your little brother. That was really doesn't get you. What will your kid like a stone cutting and onion in here that line? There's something in my. That's yeah yeah. Those are all good ones. Just may allergies one hundred percent. I don't cry cry Dave Sergio. I'm so sorry Dave I know where Bras than I don't know. How does your last night apologized to buy her a lesson on yet but go ahead and Connecticut spelled out for me? But he said when bill parcells said you can't call them losers anymore. He's like honestly. I actually wish I'd only been around for the Jason Garrett era bill parcells era I feel like probably produce cool moments for sure like just like football old like football triumphant moments. Where you're like. Yes Man Mike. I'm with you on that. Yeah like I feel like twitter. Had been around then. Manatt really like you. Twitter specifically how he would refer to. Teo. Is The player like imagine that. Imagine just a press conference where he's like the player and he's like he's like I'm not calling them that the player that would like twitter would be incredible in that moment. I honestly would be. We've talked about this before but social media in any of the cowboys previous eras would have been next level for sure. It's probably for the best that the that that did not exist. Just for the antics of it. All but yeah. We had a lot more suspensions on I feel like they would have been here for that real hard. Oh Yeah Mr content can. I was excited for the content. He hears you. We can draft guy. I'm just excited because I can make his name into emojis. Cd's genie's CD's. Hey you know that's the Lens that I look at life through and I'm okay with it located out to So you have been cowboys fans for a really long time. And I know that I've been around the cowboys for a minute but Yala bandwagon. That's cool. Yeah y'all have been long suffering fans like you guys have been born and bred into this fan base. What would be your earliest cowboys memory? I guess you could say I was moved into it because my parents are technically vikings fans last week. Forget I all oh school you could be saying that they could not care less about that team anymore in it makes me happy but like underdog fence. I'm really happy for you that you don't have to your for them you know. I don't cheer against them necessarily because I do have. A duo of my family have a large family. And they're all for the most part we have one outlier. That's Bronco's Fan. Which is weird so weird. Yeah I just want them to be happy if I can't be happy. So there's that but yeah I said it's for on twitter and but it would have been kinda cool because if you had stefan who was on the Vikings and you had his brother here in Dallas. Then you could have really been like straddling both lines like that would have been a cool thing for you. Look at I pick teams. You pick five hundred teams. That's a it's like it's like I have one pro team that I'm that I am affiliated with at least there's hey at least you have consistency there. I love that for you. What about you are earliest hours? Every what was mixed. Yeah oh I'm sorry I'm like I'm done with this competition. Glad you're families that's cool. Yeah Damn No. I'm not anyways but I would. I will say I do remember all the fanfare on that I was like six when they When they won their last Super Bowl side. Do you remember all the fanfare going to a party for. It didn't care as much then I think when it really clicked over for me is I don't think I was in Indian princesses anymore which is a YMCA program from back in the day. Which is a little problematic. Now that you think about it but at the time it was great but my sister was in prison at the time doing a lot of camping. A lot of we had said like a little wildflower as our names are ever. Yeah yeah looking back on it skew. It's questionable but because of her I get to go on the field and Texas stadium. That was believe ninety eight. Oh so that's Randy mosses rookie year the whole Viking Sing Minnesota. Wow Wow that's good. Yeah that's probably you were like really clicked over for me. I got hadn't been to a game before Whereas I've been I've been going to mavs games all the time like I played basketball so I was like really in my mavs. Fandom that's really like turned a corner and I was like yeah. I'm a hardcore cowboys fan. Now I love that. Did you talk about on the star? That's the thing that you do now. I'm sure I did. I told my parents do. Go find it as you can find out motive of you and your sister on the Star in Texas Stadium. We need I got a t shirt was really cool. I love that for you. I love me too. Okay okay. Now it's your turn. I'm sorry I like to make Roy so shout out to nine hundred ninety eight. I think for me when I was a kid at my school. They had these little Gumbo machines which I feel like is a novelty. That was lost. Like you don't see number machines anywhere like not even just with gum but like with toys or trinkets or whatever But there was a Gumbo machine and they had little like NFL. That were like tiny. You would put stickers on and face mask and stuff and So I collected all of the teams and when my dad would watch cowboys games. I would always take like the cowboys helmet and like the eagles helmet or whatever and just put them in front of the TV like the TV set. And so. That's why like my earliest memory. I still I kind of do that little bit. Next weeded out some photos with the little set that I have now but But yeah so that would probably be it from me. Like that's the earliest memory of like the cowboys. Being an important thing. How are you then? How old was I then? Walk Kid I mean. I couldn't put a year on it like meg was. I like nine or ten. I mean probably younger but But Yeah so. Shutouts a little helmets and also remember. I had It was a checkerboard but instead of and black pieces they were cowboys helmets and forty niners helmets which was really interesting. That'd be worth some money nowadays. And Yeah no kidding So again I am really GonNa just showcase the fact that I was listen. Let me just say this Mike? An Lo que. My family I grow I was born in Atlanta in Greg. A city in Miami just really wasn't into sports. I I was the one that was into sports so I really. I don't know like I didn't have like a hardcore like team. Hey you're here now I am here now so I feel like coming to Dallas and seeing how they like Papa talked about before within the first time I set foot in variance. First of I was like shocked that it wasn't a valley. It wasn't Ariana. I was expecting it to be like this at ethic ranch. He's not In it's not anything anymore but I was walking through the halls and I think I was still in Turner something in this massive man. Massive man like walks out of where the players locker room is. I was like my God and it was Jason Witten. I was like Oh my goodness this guy is like three times my size like I was so shocked at how massive he was like you see them on TV. And you're like yeah it's a big guy but like seeing them in person for the first time there they it was like it was. I can't even describe it. It was a giant one of those he was like ironman cowboy actually not a giant. Oh six match could catch But yeah that was like one of my earliest memories of being with team It always stuck with me. I always remember that and I was like Dang that crazy and then another one that I have where is when I was new again and The press conference area used to be like halfway in between marketing and then also where the players the coaching staff were. And then like broadcasters in the back so I would work in the back occasionally and I was walking through coaching in I saw the signs up there holding a press conference and I feel this like in Charles. Haley would come in like help out with the team. Like some of the guys in cody. Riley he does now and I felt this. I brush like woosh and I was like what the heck is that and I looked down and it was a freaking Doberman. A the dog like running. By as opposed to what as opposed? There's a Doberman in the office. Doberman the dog is like what would the alternative dopamine someone's nickname? I don't know yeah. Hello come on this is and Doberman Doberman. Why Sickens quarterback we have Joseph Brindell Doberman? Oh No I think dobermans. Keep him from stealing things. So that Yeah so anyway. Look it's a frigging Doberman and it's running towards the press conference and I'm like Oh my God and I'm an intern bringing on like what are ideas. I chase after the dog and I grabbed the dog. And I got it like right before it gets to a coach Garrett and Jerry having a press conference and they look at me now cocked their head to the side of me. Like what are you doing with a dog at the office? And I'm like I am just shook at this moment and then Charles. Haley comes walking down and he's living for his dog and it was Charles Haley's dog of course so you'll be my two earliest cowboys. Memories earliest memories involve Jason Witten and Jason Garrett. Kabwe San I know by the Way Charles. Haley was on the blog on the boys. Podcast feed recently on the seven five. You can go back in your podcast. You and listen to that good. Hitch my friend So those were our memories a couple of other ones that I love that. Help people throughout their Daniel Daniel Cam Geider said on invested. That right is earliest. Memory is Romo's verse pick. That's Cute Ham. The ninety two cowboys joy from norm hits Roth Let's see what are some other ones I? There was one that I really liked. It was actually talking about The cotton bowl when they were playing in the cotton that was pretty cool Dang it where is that? We're pulling from multiple places it might have been on instagram. It was on. It was on twitter. It was applied to the in the boys one anyways just the fact that there are some guy who was actually watching the cowboys when playing in the in the convoy have those pretty neat in south again. You have a fan like me. Who's been around for? Maybe like two minutes. He's been truly truly truly lifelong if you will cool all right. So we've gone through some Mike like happy joyful times in our Calloway's fandom at another room to me the DOBERMANS. The frendo the Doberman picking on him is Charles Haley. I just feel like fix. It should be. It should be like dude. Who's like last name is like like Eric Dober- Dubinin come from okay? Rj Go ahead and find Eric. Dober- Kristen Him. Real quick cursing. The note was well done seriously. That's catching on We need that in like like a Hawaiian shirt. I mean like it needs to be like these tropical colors the way I see it. It'd be very NI- though wouldn't it? I mean technically but I'm just talking about the verbiage the new how'd you know your team? Rj Fun. I mean it is what it is is what it is. I actually do want to tell jokes. A Randall story really quickly God. That's never a good way to start a sentence and I have a video but I'm not. I don't have a video but I do. And it's very funny. So they the cowboys media team a couple years ago when we were at. My ranch decided to this Halloween Prank where they put they put a camera. Go pro in the locker room or actually I the equipment table and they put a whole big thing of candy. Like there's a big bowl of candy out there and it's like where you go. Get Your cleats in guitar. Like your gear. Whatever he needs something else like another shirt or whatnot not and so they were gonNA film it to see who actually took candidate availing when it said take one I think it was just like the toddler challenge pretty much so they did it with the team and It was very funny in most guys definitely took more than one. And then Joseph Randall. Rolls up in like grabs a hamble and then he's like looks around and he leans his head underneath the Little Gate and he's like Hey Is I'm just GonNa make sure and check real quick business public for taking like 'cause you know it is like right. After all of his stuff came down where he got caught stealing things he thought he was pretty cute like double checking to make sure that if he could get a piece of candy or not flying glad he checked well. He didn't check after the fact when he left the team. So I feel like he's checked himself into place behind bars for quite awhile but Yes I have those free funny. It's a funny moment in time Lord so while he's crying in prison I'd like to know why still in prison I think so I'd like to know interesting solution to make it. Well I don't using that well sorry. Jr if you're doing better But what moments in time. We're just like really rough for you as a cowboys. Fan like heartbreakers already know what one ears is GonNa be. So you're GonNa have to give me more than just the Green Bay like situation. I realized that's very high on most people's Lists. Well okay every response by the way it really i. Yeah but what if I say not the catch game but was at twenty sixteen cry whenever we play the Green Bay packers via pledge? No but was it was twenty sixteen when we played them after. Dax versus Making that up now. Right there comeback. They had the third in twenty and mason crafts. Yes that one hurt a lot more in to me More but it was like sadder is I feel like twenty fourteen. I really thought we could go all the way. The desert just made me mad so I just love that Game Mad but in Twenty Sixteen. I thought we could have won that game. I was like we had such a great season. We had is such low expectations. Speaking of something that made me cry when Tony got injured a Seattle preseason and then it's like to have such an incredible season after all of that and then freaking number twelve again sick of him sick of 'EM DNA Kaz dude. Think he was a Libya's dude at the time he's all that's right. I forgot about that. Wow yeah the newsroom. She she's laying. She's in everything she does. This may trade show. Yeah great show. Great Show Yeah that game sucked. That was really sad. Like I feel that. I don't think I've ever felt like more deflated. In and it was a store did experience that and then there was like all like museums that night. That was like. Oh Yeah it's going to be touchdown in Dallas for the first time for clever. That was the night when it was like a toward it was a tornado watchers. Whatever in so either. You got out of the stadium or you got stuck in the stadium after all that nope. I got out of the stadium and because I left Lamy I would just upset and I was leaving. And they're still traffic of course not to mention we just like totally lost and it was so depressing Horrible weather coming in in downpour. I got a freaking fender bender I told YOU IS I. It wasn't my fault so and hit me and they also yeah they did it was. I told you before it was Jerry's pilot and I was like are you kidding me like right now like. I could not make this upper tried. Saddam shouldn't be driving. I mean truly I was. This is just not my day. Yeah so yeah that that definitely made me drivers your. I would also say like the whole Tony. Saga of him getting hurt all the time in like just like say what you will about. Tony whether you're a fan of him or not like we can't deny the fact that he was a great quarterback and he really he really truly left it all on the field for this team and I I watching him go down and like cringing like wincing everytime like he would like stay on the ground a little bit longer than maybe he should or he would have previously. That was so tough for me And just knew it felt like his body was portraying him. I always equate. That's like lead to like when whenever he such A. He's such a smart brilliant player and he. There's no denying that he works his butt off but then his body when it comes time to like put it on motion just betrays him. So that was really tough for me. Like watching some of the final game of Tony's career like that coming in and you're like God like this is the Life that happened with him and you know how he got his job Est. It's a towel on his job. But that was tough for me. Of course you know in newest coming within the retirement speech like the ball meritocracy talker. See like are you kidding me like I I again say what you will about Tony and whatever you thought about him like that just made me feel something and it was a very sad day for me. I was it was surreal is a better way of putting it so that was a tough one for me. What ABOUT YARD? I have three one of them is a personal example. One is a cowboys whole example. I wanted to Romo example. Aggo personal I because I want to I went to Texas M. University the highest institution of learning in the Great State of Texas and My Sophomore Year was the first year that am played. Arkansas at what was then Cowboys Stadium Obviously and now it's NC stadium and I drove. It was not. I drove in with some friends and had is in college like somebody's like Oh we'll all stay at my parents house and I don't even remember. Studes pants live but it was so far away and it was just the longest drive. We had gone to Windstar the night before in the guy the host guy had not done while he was in a bad mood. Oh in college station Winstar. We went. No it wasn't in one big thing I ever I've ever heard like. Did you lose your way? Anyway you were navigating well Jack guys we're GONNA go North Oklahoma Famo- thin learning Ostrov into Dallas on Friday and then like congregated and then went to Windsor and so the host. I did not do well and was in a bad mood. Which made Saturday really not fun? And then we drove to obviously the game and I had friends like everywhere and I was trying to meet up with. Everyone in just wasn't working out so I was frustrated and then am lost and then we drove CA- somebody like he was in the Aviation Club at in and he had like flown a plane himself there and so we had to go drop the sky off like two hours away at the small little airport and we drove forever. And then we again drove forevermore and then Sunday I went to the cowboys game with a friend and they lost to the titans which was really upsetting and we decided that it would be a good idea to drive back immediately after the game and sat in traffic forever in we joked because we both lost our fantasy matchups that week so we just lost like everything like it was just a weakened of losing was terrible So back after a game is A. Brian brought US move share yet. He's a road warrior. He'll go to a game and then he's like ongoing back tonight and I'm like I'm sorry. What drew back after that. Next Seven Day Game. They went to that game. Who won that game? How your next drew books next day so my Roma one is not the most cliche answer ever Actually it was not even a game. It was the day after the cowboys. Beat the Redskins in two thousand thirteen when it was announced that he had to miss the Eagles game that was essentially the NFC east title game. That was so frustrated just for him it was like. Are you serious like after all? This need epic DeMarco Murray Touchdown. Pass in Washington. And that was a re. I remember I was getting my car. Washed like literally sitting in a car wash when I saw the tweet now so angry at the time so was my Roma One and then my other one was Kind of Cochet. I guess but when the cowboys lost the giants in the division around in two thousand seven That was my senior year of high school and I was just obsessed with that team and kind of like you know went with them in terms of emotions and things like that and so I was. I had the flu that weekend and I was just devastated and I immediately. I'm not going to school tomorrow. Like I didn't even care I was like I'm just never going to see anybody ever again because I knew that all my friends are just GonNa WanNa be like. Oh so the cowboys lost. And they didn't have the emotional energy so Thanks for bringing that up causing good. I feel like after we lose. I need like a good two days in like no one can talk to me. It's not great like is definitely a decompression type thing where you have to like. Stay off the Internet. Yeah and then. I'm like I'm like. Hey Mike would you like a refill in can get you a snack Tequila? Yes that's definitely the resolution tanny tough loss in this relationship should find healthier ways to cope but here we are OK. Kills Great So a couple months ago be got on twitter. They thought were good to Jones e whales great name. Jones e mails He said the playoff loss of the panthers and Nineteen Ninety six that brought real life. Tear that one hurt Norm hits Ross said Danny White Not wanting the NFC championship three times Go packers answers in here. Like you said Let's see the Jackie Smith dropped. The fumbled snap in Seattle from Sylvain. Do we've found him. We found over. He's never listened to us. He doesn't even know what a great name he received. Hey listen I just want say this. Tears of joy moment that we we have found successor to the Doberman name. I have a question that I wanted to surprise. Both with what is an it can be fairly recent. But what is the most cowboys moment? Like of recent history. Where like something happened like that would only ever happen to the Dallas Cowboys? Because I think my answer is really hard with the the cat back. I suppose the cats are good insight. Wait I mean that's the most recent thing I can think of so I also like to say that I love cats and so when that happened. I definitely texted several individuals that were at that game was like you need to make a concerted effort to go find that animal in you can. You're bringing home just for the record and fortunately that did not happen but here we are. I tried. I'm still gonNA look for it. I feel like stadiums are going to be full of cats right now. If you think about it it could probably be a really great breeding out gown breeding ground gown. Words are hard for a lot of these rallied. Cats like it's rally cats season right now. If you think about it I mean. Maybe they're the only ones on the field right now. He knows saying. I just feel like that's fine happening anyways you I. I really have to think about this. Well I'll go if you're like if you if you promise not be like that's my answer. I mean I can't promise anything. This is our show. I came in and took. Yeah my answer our house. My answer is the Lucky Whitehead Drum. That would have never happened to any team spouse cowboys and like cutting him and having the wrong person like that was an especially like the fact that they had been criticized for holding onto dudes like just urine. You're out and they finally chose to make an example of someone that that was the one that would blow up in their face. That is the most Dallas cowboys thing of all time. I actually. That's really funny because I have mine but that was wild like I I actually. I took my My dog I have cats my catching bet. And we apparently had the same bed and this lady was nice blitz. Yes like this this veterinarian like shook over this story and I was like what? Y'All GonNa do that. That's a different story though the dog napping that's a different thing than house like reported robbery or he. I like he had a lot of stuff but robbery was one thing. I was worried about the job like the stolen dog. They wasn't stolen. I was like I don't know where you're going with that. Near lucky biker. I don't know where in his marketing twisted marketing mind that he was like. This is a good idea like I know. Ashi in like did some crazy stuff for fame but like I feel like it doesn't quite translate in these modern times learn. That doesn't that doesn't do anything for you anymore. I remember twitter air that night when the dog was reportedly kidnapped. Twitter was like pitchforks. Like there's the rare moment where twitter is universally behind one 'cause it was that And it was. It was pretty wild but on so that was my answer. Our would say I can't think of like a ton of big thing about a bunch of little ones though like just like when the cowboys ending up on. Tmz where they had the bus in there they were down in La. I think it was like Jay Glazer like the Jones family and like there's like I don't know things happening and they ended up on. Dmz Yeah of course like people are making headlines during training camp at our teams on DMZ. Right now but what about the penis waterguns? Oh that was good. Too Big One. That was a big one scandal Does that would only happen What are a multitude of reasons? Yeah Yeah and then I would just say like I feel like the Rolando Mcclain and the crack in those were to that. Like just like how their stories played out. I was like of course the cowboys like took a shot on these guys. Like only the cowboys would do that so I just felt like that was really interesting. Turn of events when that all went down and then they they bring in with guys like that they kind of like trying to be like some handlers to kind of ease the situation and Yeah I I don't know I we. I mean good or crazy. There's a lot of situations where you're just like. Yep going to So we golf tournament and the cowboys. always play in in. It's like a sponsor golf tournament and so we work at every year and it was right. Win we we got a Greg Greg Hardy and he liked rolls up and he was like super friendly in this oxy massive dude and he's wearing like super tight like everything white and like golf gear in his. His pants were too short for him which was funny in itself and he will. He has like a bag of cheetos. And I'm working one of the holes and he comes up and Turn to play like hands me. His can you. You might holdings from Vermont. I was like sure he's like he's don't eat them or all. Come when I was like I feel like it's a little early for this. Greg like maybe not. Maybe we don't make jokes like that in front of like a bunch of media members and whatnot Yeah those are serious so I I do. I flaming hot I I would assume your only go the extra level type of flavor. I would say that to Youtube. So Yeah Yeah. I don't know I don't really have a big Mama just the cowboys in general like. It doesn't surprise me when things happen. That are crazy or things like you know out of the ordinary or extra flashy. It doesn't really seem to faze me anymore because that's just kind of the cowboys way. I would also add to kind of piggyback off your earliest memory. A little bit only like the Jason wouldn't retiring after being super terrible a Monday night football that would only ever happened to the Dallas cowboys. Yeah you're not wrong. Like and then him coming back and then going to the raiders. Yeah style is so weird. I on the on the subject of the raiders the index card. Like that would the makeup call. Hold on quote. Yeah out also say I mean I know we always talk about the Green Bay? I feel like the that stuff like that. Like always happens with cowboys where heartbreaker where they come back. And they're like Oh wall just getting it actually was we were wrong but there's nothing we can do about nine like. Of course you were like we told you. Yeah I also. I didn't realize I had so many of these. Like the the irony or poetry or mature. Whatever you WANNA call it of Mike McCarthy being the head coach and like an unlike getting asked about the does cash and everything and not even just like Randall. Cobb coming in there's all these like weird connections So that's That's my answer. Also the way they let go of Jason Garrett that would only ever be the Dallas cowboys owner percent honor percent because like other places are very like this is business in like. Thanks for your service goodbye. So you're in this is like this is like I think it'd been there. It's a family run organization and I feel like they. It was very it was. It was very personally wasn't just business. They dragged it out forever and ever and I truly feel like they were trying to find a way to find something anything I mean. It is not a good example but they kept like Monte kiffin around like what what did he do. You have a doberman that we have like. I want to go back to Marc klaas. Another fun memory. If he is member sticks that quarterbacks coach he passed the band good band. It's a little before my time art for your time. Sure sure yeah. So anyways training camp he used to. He was the nicest man ever and he would He would buy like he would just by bottles of wine from user Marriott from the front like you know like the little snack counter to the right of the check in area where you can buy just really bottles of wine nick yet. A little nook in your charges to the room of course targeted the room. I don't have to see it. Yes I need that so he would buy bottles of wine and we would like all around the fire pit just like talk and then occasionally Jason Garrett would come up in one of my favorite interactions because he was like actually giving a hard time And this is being open and kind of a fun guy to be around like. I'd never seen him like interact so I don't know first time seeing him. Interact Celik honestly in front of a larger group of people. Because he's such a buttoned up type. Guy Says for some other earliest memories for sure. I have a final one. That's okay I didn't realize I had a lot of thoughts on this. I know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA hang up and I'm going to think of a million more good ones because I just feel like I didn't do enough preparation on some of these wants us through my way. Maybe this made you cry But the night. The cowboys lost the eagles in two thousand seventeen at home on the night. Football is really bad. That was the night they honored Jerry at halftime For going into the hall of fame and That you think about it was the when you brought up the Wyan because they had wine bottles for every sweet with like his face. Sir Name or something like I know like monogrammed. Whatever on it. I don't know if I've said this a lot. That is literally the worst loss ever at. At stadium the cowboys have ever had from point differential standpoint like the fact that they would literally have their worst loss of all time to the Eagles in the year that the Eagles won the Super Bowl on the night Jerry. Jones was honored for going into the hall of fame. Ballot only ever happened the cowboys. Are Your words like daggers? Sitting right now. Who are you rooting for in that? Super Bowl just curious. I I realized to for you. I agreed with you. Who did you guys talked about this? It was scooter. Right in fact notice respected the home in at the moment but I typically agree with me on these instances and so and so I thought the idea or the mindset of rooting for the eagles in that moment was the most ridiculous thing of all time. I never understood that from anybody is. I'll wait right now. Wasn't saying that you disagreed. But may made flew the flag the highest. So she I there is no way in hell. I was at dislike Backyard Party for that Super Bowl and I was like straight wearing like a rex burkhead jersey just because I was like I will not root for this trash team and then of course was in my face. I like get out. I've only Warm Eagles Jersey once and it was because I did I were a Halloween costume when they had those direct TV commercials. Airing and I was DEMARCO. Murray with cable and that was DeMarco Murray in his Eagles Jersey except it was his first four games reviews. I really awful. And then of course he came back and looks pretty okay again but it was a good costume at the time. Sure it was good costume bad practice. I'll never forget. Michael Irvin rooting for them. And like everyone's logic was like oh I'd rather you know the cowboys not get the cowboys have had all this time and they have like you. Can you can still catch up and pass somebody. You can't undo the Eagles winning and I think the Patriots are supposed to be so good. They should probably have another one like big deal. What do you do? I'll I'll catch you later? Tom Brady right. I I will say I did root for the giants in the first Patriots Superbowl because that was that was that oh seven year and I like again. That's my senior of high school and I like really really really hated that Patriots team so like it did feel in that particular moment like the lesser of two evils but obviously in the second root for the Patriots. Yeah I mean I see where you're going with that dressed never root for the NFC in any way we agree though. The more egregious sin was rooting for the Eagles. That was still again. No no logic. No rationale can support that for me. Yeah I if you if you did that you need to look within yourself and do some soul-searching if you talk to the Doberman a dove Doberman the dove named Sylvan the Dole. I'm so still I hope you're out there and I hope you hear this. I hope you love the name we'd given. I hope you wear. It proudly go ahead and do that thing where you change your name like people that are like you know healthy Charles or whatever and you like change your name on twitter but there's people that do it like for like sports teams. Chelsea Lakers thirty two in six Charles. Yes yes yes. Sylvan go ahead and update. Your name takes a lot of dedication. There's people that do the The what is it. The record change every week could not be me could not be I would forget. Hundred percents actually didn't or basketball like you'd baseball. No like that's a lie talk about. Let's talk about sports things that make me cry baseball. Well Yeah we're saved my life. We won't even go into that many at rough with some her local teams as only eleven was a great year. End a terrible ear. We'll recover We won't all right so this has been fun Able to take a trip down memory lane RJ. Thanks for throwing us a random on the last minute. I actually really wanted contain this conversation. So We'd love to hear from you guys about what your earliest cowboys memory wise. What cowboys moment made you cry? Tears of joy. What about a moment way? Oh Yeah I am wow nece. Maybe I need beverage. Things are not right. It always join me next time. Amoah that actually made you cry in terms of the Cowboys. And then the most cowboys moment the ever cowboy cowboy moment the cowboys cowboys moment. Ever I e the job and this tweet like also I will nickname you if you mentioned. Yeah exactly it's true by the way when you say job because I see it as like I think of data birth like that's the only thing I can think we'll be okay but I also think of Dhabi so who are yeah. I know sports here. Seen listen who watches it and you read it not if you haven't read or seen it by now it's on you So go ahead in. Drop us a line with your answers to those questions. We also will be accepting your applications for nicknames or through the end of the week. So if you're looking in those things like well I really WanNa call nickname got you. Yeah we got you tweet us our days at RJ. Oh Chila I'm act. Kelsey underscored Charles in May is Meg. Murry with for our So link us all up we want to hear your answer and we also want to give you a nickname so we will make sure to take care of you in those regards. Fun Fact for you all. I know you're GONNA miss us. We're only on Mondays and Fridays. Here with girls and boys we have plenty of contacts and wow content you guys struggle so real. It's unbelievable Content for you all under the logging. The Boys Unbrella. Rj In team. Do a great job of bringing you all new fresh content daily in the written form but also with some really great podcast got seven five zero broadcasting. The boys the OCHO All of the things you could ever envision you can get your hands on all of that and more by subscribing to the ball in the boys podcast were every that your podcast on spotify Itunes stitcher rate review. It really does help us out our day any final before. I thought about it on the subject nicknames. I've decided that Kelsey you are the sunshine band because the whole case evening. And may you're quad are because your twitter handle like quarter. I'm still workshop. And now and you have something there but uh tune it we've got. This is like the limestone block of and chiseled away into a masterpiece. I know you're trying to beat the job. It's going to be impossible but it's okay the always at that. The Sunshine Band was great. I think that's great if you think. I haven't heard that one before though you're wrong who original going. Today we had much find Rj. Thank you for joining us. My friend you can catch him every day on the Ocho and on the twitter as you mentioned and the twitter tweet Meghan I because we'll miss you between now and Monday. Hope you guys have a great rest of your weekend and we will see you next time but before that as always ever forget cowboys forever eagles for never buy.

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March 24  Hour 1  NBA Season Change | Broken Records In NFL

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March 24 Hour 1 NBA Season Change | Broken Records In NFL

"Afternoon northern Colorado. It is topped tax day. Nothing stops top. Text Tuesday there. I mean nothing. Colefax player said yesterday. We will continue to do this program for as long as we possibly can going on. Eight years in August is that I think that's right So so we're GONNA we plan to go another eight years and then that's it no no. I don't know man. I don't know I've been making a lot of people upset around here lately. So we'll see maybe it could be tomorrow. We'll find out it's no it's actually It's actually just so chaotic at this stage man. I mean with the with the Olympics reschedulings. Twenty twenty one or postponing. At least to that point which makes sense. I mean because a lot of people like that must mean. All of the sports venues are done for at this stage. No because the planning that it takes for the Olympics is unlike any sporting events that we've ever seen so many different so many different Competitions so many different playing fields. I mean everything that goes into. It is is a logistical nightmare. And and so at this point. It's like hey we can't just back out a month before the event that be terrible so we need to start taking those making those preparations now so that we can get ready so that it's a little bit different than Major League Baseball which we are hearing Major League Baseball. Maybe around July late June early July might be happening. I'm hearing more about that. Nba season could resume in July. Or something along those two along those lines two June or July. But I'm here to tell you I think maybe the NBA should try it. See what happens. Maybe they changed the way they do things and I mean how crazy would that be? Colefax if they started. Let's just say they start like in December and they finished their season in like September late September or mids early early September late August or something like that does that. Does that make sense? And you're not competing with the NHL. Starting up you're not competing with the NFL season rolling because you're you're in competition with the NFL for the first half of your season here in the competition with college football for the first half of your season so obviously college basketball. You're in competition with neo in the second half of your season and then toward the End of your season into the playoffs in competition with baseball. Which you know that one you can take a little bit more. But it's something to consider three one nine nine. Six is the text line texts the show anytime three one nine nine six who? WanNa last week and the Weld County. Swamy fairly new texter gets gets the first His first victories been texting for a couple of weeks. Now gets in this. I'll listen challenging the whole against today. You know. Normally this show is fine. The way it is we can carry this show. We can talk about any topic throughout the day. But I want to hear from the hauling. You gotTa have some good material for me right. You guys have been a lot of you've been staying at home. Not doing anything or some of you have been doing things. I need to hear something. I need some funny stuff happening tonight. It's a positive upbeat top. I mean I. I don't even want to open up that that that door of Jamal. Murray stuff but I just did. I'm waiting to see Jamal. Murray like just donate like a lot of money right now just to do something to like. Hey No this play. What happened over here? Those of you have no idea what I'm talking about. You do not have a twitter account set some ground rules here that if they send any sort of images from you know none of that you'll be immediately lose you immediately lose. Yeah no please. Don't do that of that. They cry could crash our our text box system. I don't know man so don't WanNa hear that. Yeah that's up talking to you juice. That's you out there man. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six still got a two way. Tie at the top right. We still got. We got a tie between Dickson and mclane is that correct. No NOT MCLEAN NOT MCLEAN. Let me see here. It's coming up not McLean. Mcallister became the MIC mic. Though he's GonNa be mad that I didn't recognize the GR- wow I didn't recognize the arguably one of the best texters that we have on this show. I'm yeah I gotta be careful there so I want great texts today. I want hilarious hilarious stuff happening first advantage text line. Three one thousand nine hundred forty one nine nine six our power to play sports poll question of the day. Who's winning the AFC west? Is it as easy as everybody says is GonNa be the Kansas City chiefs based on everything you know? They have gone with their. I mean they're returning some guys. They did spend some money to get guys. Chris Jones back which was a big move for them. This offense is he's really good telling you. Colfax I have been not against Vic Fangio but I've certainly had my reservations about the higher. I'm starting to re by the way his cooking show. He's doing cooking videos and they're just the best. If you can find one please Colfax. We need that. I'm starting to look at the roster that he's building the depth chart that well the John elway building but he's allowing he is allowing Vic Fangio to speak into that. I'm starting to really like this. This look on the defense I think. The broncos made away man. I mean they get out of free agency in the trades period for the most part all these steals for me. Anyway I mean they have I. I'm not telling you they're contenders yet. Colefax. But I'm I don't know I'm not buying all in to drew lock just yet but I do think that this guy is. He's he's he's solid quarterback for what we've seen and the BRONCOS are starting to build around here people saying they overspent on. Melvin Gordon. Do they had a lot of money? They did the big things I they did what they absolutely had to do. First and now we're starting to see this team okay. We have extra money leftover. We have money that we're going to be able to pay our our draft class right but we have extra money. Why not go out there and get a guy? That's still pretty good. He's still going to get you yards. And maybe more. And he's he's pre production wise. Probably get too close to fourteen hundred. When you add receptions receiving yards so they go out and spend after they made some really nice trades after they made some really nice signs with Graham Glasgow so Nice Move Andro Casey. Steel of the day man. Aj boy pretty good steal. I mean if they can get it right in the draft and by getting it right. I'm looking at Christian Fulton out of lsu Henry Rugs. One of those guys are going to be there you make this team suddenly a contender in the AFC west seriously. I know it sounds ridiculous. Ken could you remind me which teams are in the? Afc West had an incident. Oh Jeez I can I. I can't read that can I? Can I read that so good? I can't read that though you know I can. I read that conflicts. You give me permission. I'm not gonNA read. You can read. That's your show. Did you remind me which teams in the AFC West ahead? An incident where I lost a lot of blood flow to my brain and can't seem to remember. Thanks for your help. Them all okay. I read it fast so that we could just move on with our lives. But I don't know man. That's pretty good just to help you out. There can raiders chart the Las Vegas Raiders. Which I'm never going to get used to seeing. Lv next to the raiders still not used to seeing la next to the chargers. Is that obvious that it's just going to be? The Kid sees listen. If you're a betting man yeah I get it. You're going to look at the chiefs. I you got you got the best quarterback in the NFL. You have a pretty good running running back. Who is stepping up? Some of those big games. Tyree Kill Stud. I mean difference maker for sure Travis. Kelsey one of the best tight ends in the game. Pretty good offensive line and on the defensive side. You did a good job in keeping Chris Jones and keeping that defensive tackle intact. Obviously Frank Clark was a stud last year got better in the playoffs tyrod Matthew. They had a bad passing passing defense but tired Matthews still was making plays. They gotta get better in that area. Then you look over at the chargers situation you know. Obviously they're they're without their without Philip rivers day like tyrod Taylor. Is that tyrod Taylor Austin. Ecuador Combo going to be something unique Keenan Allen. Mike Williams Hunter Henry if he can stay healthy decent offensive line. Not I mean nothing to write home about defensively though they have two of the better pass rushers in the NFL. Now they have Chris Harris Junior. He said he liked the chargers because of their defense because of paper they look so good. The chargers are a little scary. The raiders on the other hand when they got Marcus Mariota. They should be getting better though. All of those draft picks are now year old or all of those first rounders that they had that should get them to a good spot next year. I'm telling Ya. Afc West. I'm mark. Say Right now. They're going to be the best division in all football. I mean just looking around the NFL. All of them were very active in the off season. All of them were. I mean at least whether it was securing their own guys kind of more like what. Kansas City did. The raiders. Were very active in trying to improve their depth chart. The broncos turned out to be pretty active and then you have a chargers team. That's kind of switching up the direction. Defensively I still like that team but on the offensive side of the ball. Does tyrod Taylor make sense more for a guy like Austin and maybe they can build this offense around that first avantage text line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six power to play sports poll question of the day. Who's winning the AFC West in two thousand and twenty forty? Six percent of the whole agains are saying the chiefs which makes sense twenty six percent of you. Hogan's believe that drew lock and those Broncos can win the AFC west go vote. I want to see how this goes. Vote comment on. I need top texts like crazy today. I want to hear from the best days like today is when i WanNa see the hall of famers shine you know. We don't have a lot of games to talk about. Colefax. I'm confident. We can talk about a lot of things for a long time but fact of the matter is I need. I want the whole against a step up today. I want you guys to show me who the WHO is the True Hall of Famer here. I mean there's a lot of good material out there so who's going to bring it three one nine nine six three one nine nine six six. Kfi Two three one nine six maybe can bones going to. What does he four hours he? He's got four with three. But you your move the asterisk okay. It's yes you did that. That's fine but he could jump in and we could suddenly have a three way tie here. Well he's in there right now so we'll find out all right seventeen minutes after the hour. We're GONNA take a quick break. It is top techs. Tuesday I'm giving away gift cards. I got a blue sports grill. I got a Windsor Mill Tavern. I gotTa Charro Gift Card. I got a broken pop. Brewery gift got meeting all that away today that you can use later or if you're doing curbside pickup takeout or whatever because of the the time we're in do what you will with it but you'll have it. That's what the winner is going to get. Today this is the whole show powered by PD ENERGY. You're over Prep Sports and the UNC bears bringing news sports and talk to Northern Colorado. Thirteen ten KFI. Que Get your day started right with up-to-date news weather and sports mornings with Gail six. Am to nine. Am Weekdays on thirteen ten JFK? Is Christopher Dempsey? Your nuggets insider from altitude sports. 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I'm not blaming it on Philip rivers. But he's not the same quarterback that used to be you know and he. He's kind of the last couple of years close games. He really struggles and you saw that. Specifically with the broncos he allowed Denver back in Games. We've seen that with the chargers and Broncos for a long time But but rivers is getting to that point where. I don't know that I trust him in those in those big game situations. So yeah let's see I vanish text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Whoa what is this Colfax? He's clearly at his job. There MR K Mak. Nice man currently stuck on top of silo number two prepping for a big wire. Pull gotTa make sure the lights. Stay on. Not able to tune into top techs Tuesday right now. He's texting these blind texting. Man I love it quite the sacrifice. I don't like the tossed out the word Hero. But by all means you and Colefax are more than welcome to and then he sends in a picture. That looks a little freaky doesn't it? Looks like you've pretty high up there and the airman. Oh my goodness hanging out there. Wow Dude that is that's respect. That's that's amazing. Work keeping keeping the lights on forever. No question about a. Man. Let's Susan Cheryl. Let's let's let's see hero status. Yeah hero status. Yeah I think he does that. Mean he wins text Tuesday no pretty good pretty damn good tasks he's leading. That's leading right now. Ken Bones close but no. That's dad is a nice tax. That's what I want to see the Weld County. Swamy elway. And the broncos have been social distancing themselves from the playoffs for years. That's good man a little a little brady stop. Beggaring Corrado. I'm not making fun of it. Well County Swami's making fun of it. I'm just reading the text on air. That's can't control what they send us know and we almost have to read everything. We poverty much Kim bone was like looking back. I'm probably going to get in trouble. But they're going to be telling us not to come to work anyways. We're coming to work Colefax. We're finding ways man. We will find ways to get that job actually radio they get the treatment right essential. Yeah this is talk. Text Tuesday is essential. I would I would imagine so. I would argue that for many many points. Ray Lewis said was it fifteen years ago he said I don't remember the exact quote but it was like there would be more murders if there were no football now again. Strange coming from reloaded but any and again he didn't you know it the way he said it it it really it really rub people the wrong way but when he meant what. I what I interpreted as if we don't have entertainment outlets like sports or maybe like movies maybe like lifetime. Tv like Like Vic Fangio He likes the lifetime channel. The hallmark channel. One of those two. Is He really yes? Yeah that was a big deal financial. Take around Christmas. He was like staying at home watching watching a lot of hallmark movies over the break or over Christmas time. So good friend. Yeah I'm starting to love VIC Fangio. And he's making meatballs on these little videos and he's showing people how to do it. Was It on twitter on? I don't know you just saw it somewhere but what I'm saying is entertainment is vital. It is very vital. Holly This Hall of famers are starting to shine right now. I mean this is when you know famous shining I got came back like high up on the air man keeping lights on but texting at the same time that is where hall of famers shine. That's like Peyton manning getting Bertelli man and getting pulled down to the Super Bowl. He's got one arm almost on the ground and he gets tackled throws at deep. That's that's one of those moves and then here's Ken Bone. Ray Lewis also said there would be less murders after super bowls. If I didn't attend. It's good man. I avenged text. Line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. I got a lot to give away today to. I'm giving away blue. Sports Grill Gift Cards. I'm giving away Broken Plow Brewery giftcards Windsor Mill Tavern giftcards launcher. Doesn't text the show so he does a what we call in the business. Now a verbal text launcher. What is on your mind my friend. Hey how you guys doing you know. What top TECH'S. Tuesday is definitely a positive thing. It is keep. It looks forward to this. I mean you've got to have a little fun entertainment during during what's going on here. No question no question we gotta we gotTa try to have some fun stuff. It can't be gloom-and-doom. Really get enough that. Listen to the NEWS ABOUT ABOUT DRAGIC NUT. Thank you all right man. Hey what's up? What's on your mind that you got a lot. Put My comments on the broncos thing. I like what they did on this free agency. Is that enough and again? We saw the draft. And the broncos still have fifteen so are they can they can. They really compete with the chiefs next year. I'll tell you what they can get themselves a good receiver insult good defense and run that ball. I think they can give them give little people who run for it here. That is that is the grocery list but I agree with you. I think they can run the ball. I I like Melvin Gordon. I don't know that he was necessity but it was more like. Hey you are you have a little extra money. You got a bonus check right and suddenly you're like you know what I'm GonNa go spend it on that car that I really don't need but I like it. I'm only going to drive at like eight times a year when it's beautiful out but I'm going to go by. And that's what Melvin Gordon is to me is that electrons by or at what time. Radio Shack exactly. So are they winning? The are they went in the AFC west next year. Are you putting your stamp? Are you putting the lawn? Stor stamp on it. You know what I'm GonNa Still Kansas City until somebody knocks off but I'd say I'll take Denver. We'll take second place on you are there. Are we going to have three? Afc West Teams in the playoffs. Next year I'm going to say we're up to. I'm not quite sold on the on. The raiders the chargers. We'll we'll see me and lots of hey what what's You gotta give us the update. What's for Lunch Ben? All right this morning I had a little had had a light lunch and so this morning I had eggs. No I had cereal and toast these and then I had to kind of. Yeah then I kind of went and had some crackers and some water that kind of that's it. Yeah are you on. Are you just trying to kind of watch? It a little bit or what? What's going on? Yeah kind of have to a little bit. I've been I've been out of work for like two weeks. Shany's man I hate to hear that my friend. It's a virus that's going around. They don't want me to come in where it work at. They don't want me to come down with it here and more and more that will you stay safe my friend and keep it here for top have really done a great job with your morning program there facing to nine and ten. I. It's been fun to listen to that. Yeah you know. Of course. We're just trying to keep people updated and let them know about businesses that Iraq and enrolling throughout northern Colorado. Still so it's a it's a small part we can play but I appreciate. That launched her. Well you know what this is. What local radio should be. Yeah we got our back. We got your back my man what you got it. That's the lawn stor. Yeah that's not a text. That's pretty damn good Colefax. Everybody knows that you know I like compliments. I do enjoy a good compliment from once once in awhile. First advantage text line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Get Out of here. I want see this is going to be fun. Man I mean you guys are already bringing the heat on this one. So let's continue to push through this one. I got a LOT OF GIFT. Cards up for grabs today. So whoever wins this bad boy's GonNa get the entire gift package here from the whole show that you can use at a later date? You can do whatever I'm not going to be like the government and tell you what you can't okay that was it. That was my only one okay. That was my only one thirty minutes after the hour. We're going to take a quick break. This is the whole show powered by energy. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash thirteen ten. Kfi Am preps. Radio is northern Colorado's home for the past high school coverage everybody this Dalton Reisner gotta Wiggins Colorado and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten K S K. Welcome back to the top tech's Tuesday rolling on B Rad is definitely a hall of Famer. He's steps in here and I was like and where things were going and then Bam. I love this Denver. Twenty twenty prohibition lasted one hour Never Forget. It just goes to show you here. Here's to hear. This isn't political. This is the we the people thing. The we the people still control. What's going on three hours before it was no liquor? Stores are not essential to people lined up and masses to get their liquor to get their alcohol. Which if I wasn't a workout in that line responsible though six feet away man. Just throw the Jim. Beam at me and I'll catch it somehow. If I drop it throw another. Keep them coming and they spoke. You see those lines man so yesterday we we shut down Denver and we say okay well. They didn't shut down. It was supposed to be. It's supposed to be five o'clock today. Is that correct? But it was at the time. Yeah liquor stores or Non Essential. And everybody's like no they go to the liquor stores. They're lining up. I'm getting pictures text to me. Throughout the day of people lining up and masses that liquor stores and then the mayor goes oh crap because basically. What does everybody these lines were they right next to each other? Dude social distancing stay home liquor stores are closed. Everybody runs to the liquor. This is what's happening people panic and they're like well you got to get to the grocery store to get toilet paper and liquor and all that so all that panic brings everybody out. Now I'm joking about being in the line of course I stocked up weeks ago before I even knew about this stuff I'm always stocked up thirty nine minutes after the hour. First Advantage Texan three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. That's pretty good be read. That's pretty good. That's a contender right. Now our power to play sports poll question of the day who's winning the AFC west L. Most of you still saying it's going to the chiefs and I understand that I'm just telling you these moves by the Broncos are just like okay. Yeah I I'm telling you man. These moves feel like big time moves. But most of the Hogan's still saying the chiefs at this stage. Almost fifty percent saying the chiefs go to the whole show dot com and vote fifty percents say the chiefs twenty five percent say the Broncos and the chargers raiders are an tie for last or third depending on how you WanNa look at it. I think this. Afc West is going to be is going to be pretty good. I am really curious to see how the chargers operate with tyrod Taylor and Austin now now that you've kind of So crazy to say Austin actress. She's nuts man because of what he did eaten the fact that he was our player of the week. It's just nuts to think like I'm about ready to make a comparison to Derrick Henry. What happened when DEMARCO Murray Right? What happened when the Titans said you know? What we're we're trying this two headed monster with DEMARCO Murray and Derrick Henry. And then they finally said you know what this isn't. GonNa work we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA move on from you. We're giving you the reins to be the feature back. Derrick Henry took off of the Austin actor way different style running back but dare I say a man I mean. He started to shine when. Melvin Gordon was on hold out and now you might say okay. We have officially cleared out. Melvin Gordon we've officially cleared him away so you are hands down the key guy. You're the favorite guy. Justin Jackson on the depth chart is the only other running back at this stage. So you are the guy you are featured back so hopefully that pays off for them and you know what they're thinking just like it did for the Titans Derrick Henry. So I'm I'm curious to see how that goes along with that matchup. Tyrod a much different quarterback than Philip rivers. So this team is going to be. It's going to be challenged for sure. I'll be curious to see how they do it. And then the raiders. You have to think eventually all of those picks we've been saying it for a couple of years that they make trades they get all these big time picks Khalil. Mack yielded them. Quite a few first round picks. How does that impact them going forward? You have to start. I mean conventional wisdom would tell us that they're probably going to get better very very soon but so. I'm curious that Impure Sale Anthony Lynn with the chargers. Kind of changes up this this offense and then the chiefs are going to be great. There's no doubt like yeah. The chiefs are the odds on favourite for the broncos. Might be the dark horse here and again. The broncos finish seven and nine so to the raiders. So if you're kind of going back and forth there I get it. I understand I events. Text Line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six top text. Tuesday best text of the day. I got a Blue Sports Grill. Gift Certificate in Loveland. I got a Windsor Mill Tavern. Twenty dollar gift certificate. That place is awesome again. Utilize them for the current setup that they're doing curbside pickup delivery that kind of thing. I got a broken plow brewery gift card as well and I got a Charro Gift Card. They're all those businesses. I just mentioned are still rockin enrolling so you can support them somehow some way and maybe this will help you out as well. First advantage text line. Three one nine nine six. How about the NFL RECORDS? Colefax to been talking about this a little bit. You and I've been going over it often on the last couple of days with the seventeenth game. You are going to start seeing more and more records being broken. I mean we're already seeing quarterbacks now crack those lists of you know the most passing yards most passing yards in a season most seasons. You're you're getting into the most seasons who have like thirty five hundred. Tom Brady owns that record right now. A you're gonNA start seeing the you see names like Brett Farve on a lot of these still. Tom Brady still active. So he's going to be still just adding to some of those records. Drew brees has a ton of these records. And of course he's got another weapon with the saints so you gotTa think he's GonNa be adding to that. But you're you're seeing names from still from the early two thousands right. We're drew brees. Was there started his career. You know what two thousand one was it. It's crazy to believe talk. All this talk about Tom. Brady drew. Brees is right there with him just as almost as long. He's been with the chargers. I peyton Manning's got a lot of the records still so you're seeing that but now I think listen I thought Patrick. Mahomes ARE GONNA start being on this list either way but you're to start seeing Patrick mahomes get up there a lot faster than I'm talking an extra game right. I mean how many when you look at how many of you passing yards per game. A lot of these guys are having. I mean Patrick. Mahomes was was lighting it up all season. He got over five thousand yard or no. He didn't get five thousand yards but he was close right or no. It was last year five thousand dollars this year at four thousand dollars. He was hurt. I mean for crying out loud. Jameis Winston had fifty one hundred yards. Last year led the League in yards. And he's not on a team anymore. So that just goes to show you. These records are going to be absolutely annihilated with seventeen games season. Because you're going to add that you know when you look at his average yards per game Jameis Winston. He averaged three hundred nineteen yards per game. So that's another opportunity. Assuming you stay healthy but another opportunity to grab three hundred yards and over time that builds up quickly. So you're gonna see the passing yards. Shattered defensive stats are still going to be tough tackles. You might see that because there's more games but getting sachs is still difficult. If you add another game does that potentially give you a shot to get one or two more? Yeah but you know the question I keep having to me is what is there going to be like an asterisk next to staff. Now no because this has been the way they've done it for a long time in the in the sixties they were fourteen games in a season in the seventies through the late eighties. They had sixteen games. Eighty two with the lockout. They went to nine games. They had the strike cry eighty-seven they had fifteen games of the strike. Nineteen Ninety two to two. Now we're at Sixteen Games so we've moved at a lot over the years if you WANNA go even further back before it was the nfl you were sitting at twelve games. Eleven Games ten games. Twelve games fourteen games. So that's what we've changed it. They're not going to change it. We're not GONNA go well. Yeah but that wasn't a seventeen gazing going to be for fans to say that'll be for you guys to say but ultimately it's it's not going to change the way we see we are going to see a lot of new names rushing though good luck. I mean we have seen. The golden age of running backs is gone. I mean we might see Derrick. Henry do great and I'm begging for a man. I'm rooting for it. But we're not. We're not going to see the Barry Sanders anymore. We're not going to see the Emmitt Smith's anymore and we're just not gonna see it because the time of consistent running back one guy that's just GonNa absolutely dominate and get you know. Twenty five to thirty carries a game. And we're not see that anymore. You know that that time has passed us by and when you're looking at the records and I want to go over that on the other side when you're looking at these records that is one of them that I don't care if you add seventeen games. The game is changing. It's not just the fact that you're not. You're not the highlight feature back. We're not really seeing a feature back anymore. Because look at the top ten paid running backs most of them were released or traded shortly after they just made their big deal so those are things to think about twelve forty eight time. Let's take a quick break when we come back. Think about that the rushing side the records. We'll talk with. Nfl Record should the NBA changed the way they do things when it comes to how they schedule the regular season. Will they take this? And I'm not saying you take advantage of things right. This is terrible but will they look at it and say hey this might have give us a chance to to retool this thing to gain more ratings gain. More ratings means gained more advertisers forty minutes after the hour. We'll be right back. You're listening to the hall's show powered by PW energy and thirteen ten KFI K. Brady will be back after the break the best. Unc bears target game coverage lives on thirteen ten KFI. 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They just started with us a couple of weeks before everything started to happen so they have had to really start to change things on the fly there in the newly remodeled historic Windsor Mill. On Main Street and Windsor of course hence the the name right there. I love their underground garden level tavern. So once you guys can get out and about you got to check this place out it is. It is absolutely sweet. I'm already like say. Give some ideas where we can get together and do our draft parties and stuff like that there too so this is places is legit. So do me a favor. Go to their website. Windsor Mill Tavern Dot com think about purchasing gift card if you're if you're grabbing dinner or something like that and then think about them later. They're they're closed on Mondays and Tuesdays but throughout the rest of the week they're putting on great specials and Bison Burgerman that sounds delicious. 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He had two thousand ninety seven back in two thousand and twelve. It's been been already quite a while since we've seen one of those guys you know. Derrick Henry at fifteen hundred. The game is changing so much for for a couple of reasons because Y- number one featured backs are aren't as popular as they used to be. We ARE SPREADING OUT. Are running backs you know. You're you're trying to get a one two combo and that's important. You just sell the broncos do it. They're basically not sold on Philip Lindsay for better or worse that move if you don't like it okay. But that moves. We're not confident Philip Lindsay carrying the load. We are not confident that he can be our featured back. So we're going with Melvin Gordon. He's going to be number one now. That doesn't mean Lindsey can can earn number one status but it really doesn't matter because we're saying we don't believe that we can give him the ball that much and the other reason is we're asking running backs to be receivers now so Mike. What do you guys think that we'll ever round back out to that? We'll we'll get to the point where we do see two thousand yard rusher or getting close very rare anyway but you saw one or two thousand three you saw one and two two thousand twelve as I mentioned two thousand nine. You saw Chris Johnson. Do it so yeah smell. Does it every six years? Every ten years we see one of those getting close to it or is that is that time done. We'll talk about that on the other side so the NBA consider changing things up when the way the regular season more on the AFC west. Talk about the raiders closely. Why the broncos have to fear the raiders maybe more so then a Lotta then both teams in the AFC west the chiefs and the chargers talk about that as well. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

43:26 min | 1 year ago

Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)

"E._S._P._N. L._A.. Is the morning show has been lines filling in here with DEMARCO far the first of the month the dog days of August are officially under his this summer coming in a Little League Baseball on T._V.. Back to school N._F._l.. Hall of Fame Game Football. They were talking about that this morning and Demarco this bittersweet for me. I do love the N._F._l.. It's my favorite sport but when N._F._l.. Hall of fame game is on it. Just to me is like Oh. Summer is about to be the over signals yeah yeah starting right. That's fair. That's fair. I started O._C.. Week off yesterday right so I was all all fired up to be part of a week off yesterday down at the Golden Road Brewery and anti which is turned that places gray was a host George George Sodano doing for shaw throwing a strike just fresh brushoff thrown aside. I don't know if you guys knew first pitch was L Z granderson and George Sodano got the angels game. Now there's a lot there's is a lot of stuff going on with the theatrics of a first pitch and I didn't know about this but there was a lot of things so <hes> it was Wocka. So you guys get their stadium stadium like an hour before you have to do it was like an hour or so I ran in my man gooby Margaritas so we chopped it up for a little bit <hes> know him for over twenty years and he's been practicing practicing left handed because he thought they were going to do it simultaneously and he wanted to be back to back see that that is something that is the most absurd thing I've ever heard in. My life doesn't make sense at all all he gets told you'RE GONNA throw in Los Angeles. He it's your hails e. You're going to throw out the first pitch so his immediate thought is I wanted to look in sync to synchronize right. What's what he thought he's been practicing the whole time left hand and it hasn't been bad now? They're not strikes but they're in zone you know up and maybe a pitcher or a hitter would would try and switch home and pop it up you know but <hes> so he goes. I know we're going to separately so he goes I oh so he decides to go right hand which he did not practice disc and he's right handed. Yes he's not ambidextrous. He's right handed okay and looking like a hierarchy and Kyle Kuzma jump shot through so many dirt in a away and it was <hes> luckily catching was tie buttery number thirty one relief pitcher who shouts out. He says he listens to the show. Every day loves it new. Some of our bits things things like that so ty L Z comes back for a first pitch angels game. I thought it was a fun time so here. I am thinking you know I'm GonNa get some get some Brownie points here at the station. You know show face the O._C.. Week you know hit Golden Road owed brewery down there. Maybe do a segment or two with George Sodano and I feel myself on the drive home feeling good. You know I put in my time nine being a company guy. I gotTa do the morning show the next day so the fact that I was able to do an hour of radio hour a whole hour I mean we talked Mel. Melanie Rams dodgers whole so I got home to get a good night's sleep before the big morning. Show I'm driving home in traffic on the four. Oh five and Tamargo far did the entire show what he did all the way to seven o'clock and I'm like Oh. That's what it means to be the hardest worker in the gym. That's why he that's that's why he has a super bowl ring. He's played in the N._F._l.. Eighty seven mad and rate in the show yesterday I got some sleep and you get up and you go back to work. I'm an hour and I'm thinking man two weeks off after four hours. You know what I mean. You take blue. I don't actually actually so we know that on the not only is affiliated with George Sodano on the after show but he is also also covered the rams and he's out camping linemen and just years were the hardest working due to the station DEMARCO's football game. I you know I'm with you. I'd never thought of it. That way like the hall of fame game is the end of summer but to me. It's like it's like January. I I know it's the beginning of everything you know what I mean. We're starting in earnest. We can actually talk about football. There's football on T._V.. That's good stuff so the state of the rindge here. This super bowl hangover oftentimes has plagued teams around around the N._F._l.. More Times than not the team that loses the Super Bowl doesn't get back to the playoffs the next year let alone have a chance to win the whole thing yet nobody here here in Ram land. Nobody with the Ramle feels nervous about any of that staff or that's no possibility we'll go out there and walk around practice. If you ever we get a chance to go at the training camp. I encourage you to do so and just look at who they're starting the guys that are out there. They're all pretty good. This is a really good roster. This is the best roster I've seen since like all long roster. Not the same rosters been some in the N._F._C. West but the core is still there and it's young meaning jared Goff is getting even better. He's young. You're receiving core is young <hes> Todd Aaron. Donald is the best in football and he's still young at a lot left out there. So even McVeigh is just starting starting out as a head coach so you're still in the salad days of this football team and it's already pretty good so I mean most of those teams that like stress strive struggle to get to the super bowl some some of those teams at the end of the road by the time they get there. You know what I mean so I can see why that hangover would take over and you go backwards the next season I just don't see it with a young football football team so I feel like we're still ahead of schedule with the rams yeah in some ways and that football returning to Los Angeles the first year was so bleak leaking the bengals truly rock bottom at the idea of all right. Let's build it back up bringing a new young coach in new young quarterback. Let's give it a couple years to marinate and they you just really accelerated that process and we're ahead of expectations. I feel like years. Three of McVeigh should have been the year to be like hey now. Let's make a run well well. I think that's where Sean mcvay benefited from Jeff Fisher staff because you did get jared goff. You got his feet wet early. He got his butt kicked. He went oh and seven Kevin but at least he got experience so Sean mcvay basically took over a guy with some starting experience so you're not starting from Ground Zero. I think that might be the only thing for for Jared Goff haters. I wish he would started with McVeigh. Maybe the world would would see him differently. Maybe the perspective would be different because every time you talk about your Gothi. I always go back to his rookie year and I don't know why that's a dead regime. That was a bad offense. That wasn't a very good football team so every quarterback in the history of the N._F._l.. For the most horrible rookie years of note I mean you look at a lot of guys some of our big time quarterback that we revere and celebrate love impaled toilet he did didn't Peyton manning studying interception records were did there are a lot of touchdowns though so but even todd Gurley popped off way back then and we kind of brushed it off when he said the offense was a middle school offense while well it was it showed but if you look at some of the other quarterbacks in goffs class they've already been extended or the talks of them. Getting a deal is the talk of the summer. Remember this Carson Wentz had to say about his GIG and soon be fun this year to have coach designing game plans to get everybody on the field to get everyone touches to spread the ball around and you know for me makes my job easier to know that other eleven twelve purse we can go thirteen. We can put a couple of running backs out there. I mean we got talent everywhere and guys that I've worked with in the past so that I trust a lot and so my job just going to be the spread the love and and get the ball out and I'll let those guys make the place of course he went and he's forever ever GonNa be connected to Jared Goff because they went one two in that draft as score now and year in year four for these guys. I don't br year three or four four four yeah. I can't really say which one is definitively had a better run in their years in the N._F._l.. I would take off. He's healthy. Carson West wins his miss time and that's what the scouting report said. You'll probably like win earlier but I don't know how healthy he's going to be and he's been out for awhile. He's been in the Games. He's he's been dynamite M._v._p.. What they said by your four or five jared Goff will catch him and I think that's actually happening so dachshund? Healthy right wins got the deal golf. WHO's better run these four years? I would say we'll meet them. In the playoffs the rams beat the cowboys in the platte running game will earn and stopping the run and stopping the run. I'll give you that but I mean when you look at win loss in the postseason. He's got one over Dak Prescott so I would have to go there but just to answer your point win Scott. The deal goth is next but the guys that came before them Kim Marietta and Jameis Winston. They still don't know about them. Can you imagine Jameis Winston as your backup because if it doesn't happen in Tampa that's what's about to happen Mariota to you know what I mean so they're ahead of the guys that came before them and if Wednesday's healthy and jared Goff continues to get better they will be the face of the N._F._c. sooner than later something as football fan somebody who really covered the game play the game but just a die hard fan. I don't understand <unk> when quarterbacks get a bad rap for being a quote system quarterback because if I'm a coach and I develop a great system like Sean McVeigh. Would I want a quarterback who can execute that system at the highest level. It's like an actor getting hired by director and you say wow he executed the script to perfection eighteen yard to knock that actor for not being an Improv Act okay. One of the best highlights I've ever seen of Marshall Faulk and Dick for meal is great on this. It was against the Cleveland Browns. He made two cuts random I haven't started a game. You know what I mean the second year guys and this will be when they start in September. It'll be starting number one. That's scary. That's scary for anybody. I don't care how good you are when you're breaking in a new center and left guard in the national football league with every other defensive line that you're about to face like Carolina's got got a good defensive line Cleveland's got a dynamite defensive line. New Orleans knows how to come get you they did last season and you're starting a rookie or a new center and a left guard that is scary air and for the Rams Defensive Line they also have some questions because Susana longer here so who's going to replace him on the Front Sebastian Joseph Day is the guy expected to take over early starting Roll Greg gains that just drafted as a nose tackle but I'll just say the long story short. You can't replace Indomitable Su. He never left the field and he played multiple positions you you can't replace that you can multiple you can hope to replicate. There's no replacing that at all. The Rams do have some questions around his team so the idea of a super bowl hangover drop off. If it's going to happen it might become because of his guard question if they if they struggle if the offense struggles at all I I would bet you can point right to that position until it's not a problem at the honestly DEMARCO. I'm not worried about any of that. The rams are going back to the super bowl the morning Michelle is much more. This is what I'm talking about. This is Rosh right at like two thirty in the morning in Vegas go home. Does he play play a few hands or does he still beat up the beating the club. I'm getting ready to go to raise. I yeah that's what it is not in good heavens at draze dude. What did you say beat up? The beat beat up the B. O. Fist pump. I didn't know what you said Gym Tan Laundry Demarco what's up headlines Filling in here. I we know what he was doing the afternoon show yesterday you off and Dimarco popped in an hour to kick off. Oh see weak and down the Osaka feel like some music blasted right on the cliffs of Huntington. What's over three on she? According to this is an l.. Dot Com is is the highest paid woman in the music industry or two thousand nineteen estimating her words to be six hundred million dollars. It's more than J. Lo more than more than fiance more than Taylor Swift. A good portion of rereads wealth was acquired through her lucrative partnership with the luxury good company L._v._m._h. v._m.. H which whom she launched her Feni beauty cosmetics line and since the inception they've made five hundred seventy million dollars just fifteen months of business. Wow that tells me out of makeup we will never be done with Riana when she has kids. The thing will continue. That's generational money at Hudson in Israel wants to three ANA. Please explain random stores lease explain I went over to interview her in two thousand ten in Tel Aviv and there was just a beautiful platter with Baba Canoes and grape leaves and Hamas and just really went to town on the Hamas and you guys were having lunch together before she no you were there. Yes it was oh you say. She knew you were there. She actually said your name. I got some weird stories all right Ben in line filling in here for the guys on National Raspberry Cream Pie day to be national minority donor awareness day so we're celebrated here. Install you take a shot. The morning show invented John. You know that that no not a shaw small amounts of alcohol consumed rather quickly yeah yeah is is something that was invented on e._S._p._N.. L._A. Five days a week from six to ten. Did you take a shot. Put a bit in some shots. Take a shot at you. Take a shy. I didn't you'll never moment again fast professional. He's at the ten the FI <music> speaking of fumbles speaking of not scoring touchdowns the soon to be Las Vegas Raiders are are predicted add vegas have six wins this season. The Raiders Lost Amari Cooper. They traded Khalil Mack but yet head coach Jon Gruden feeling good about the Peterman. What's the deal with coach Gruden's love of Peterman you ever try to you have a bad sports opinion and you're just going to try to make it work yeah? It's called being a knicks fan exactly right there moves jammed in there and try to make it a sensible team deal. ooh I think that's where he is because at one point didn't he have Nathan Peterman ahead of Mahomes like when he was doing that quarterback quarterback deal like he really gush over the talent of Nathan Peterman and it just hasn't turned out for him so yeah he's going to keep beating that drum until you get something out of that guy and now he's got Antonio Brown and camp. He's gotTa deal with him. Not Coming back to practice or day to day or here's coach out of say getting close and <hes> hopefully after the day off tomorrow. He'll get closer but we need him on the grass. We need him get going. He's chomping at the bit. He's not a real patient guy and hopefully it'll be sooner than later. He's <hes> day to day and it's nothing serious but it's something that's going to take a couple of days and <hes> keep you posted. What is this coach? gruden sound a little defeated but what is it. I I didn't hear anything about an injury Antonio Brown yeah. I don't know what it is when he was performing on the masks singer he took off his swan mask and it affected his blond eyebrows. You almost had me there. You did you had me sucked in. I'm like really it's Antonio. Brown is in the second half of his career superstar and he just doesn't work what what is it. It's always been a something it's it's going to be short. He's going to be back out there soon but what is keeping him off-the-field camp. Why do it your Antonio that old? He's that good so no doubt top hundred lists for the N._F._l.. Top Ten right He. Where did he write Antonio ten top ten yeah yeah you feed him the rock? He's very very good yeah yeah yeah. There was a time when it seemed like he and Ben Rothlisberger shared the same same brain they would see the same stuff at the same time and get open. It was amazing. San Antonio Brown is not practicing just yet for the raiders but GRUDEN's confident he'll be back at some point with Antonio Brown in the mix. Now Dea have the raiders winning more than six games because that would seem like a lot. If I'm looking at what they do else here yes out for this year. Yes says the Derek Carr believer no says the one that doesn't believe in Derek Carr does does Jon Grooten and do the Oakland Raiders believe there. I'm not even sure it seemed like at one point he right he didn't like car but I think you have to make that guy better better but yeah I I used car way back in the day. I'm just not so sure y'all Roger. I had a chance I was in Vegas Summer League and the stadium is almost done okay when you see it right there at Mandalay. You're like Oh my God. This is GonNa be awesome is going to be in Santa. Change in the League are just the fact that that raiders ears are GonNa be right there nine off the strip well. I'm telling you man if you haven't been to Vegas in a while and you go and you see where that stadium is you can feel it if he was going to have to rely on. I go there a lot too and I got a lot of friends out there that <hes> work the bars or you know the various dealers and this and that you state Araj some Connecticut Again Vegas. They're not buying it because it's not there's like the Golden Knights that hockey team yeah. That's an expansion that was there. They felt it these now. This is small you know group of people apple but the locals that I've talked to are like and they'll be here with that to Oakland thing to L._A.. Thing Vegas thing if I'm the N._F._l.. Schedule every east coast team in like December to go the Las Vegas. You'll get all their fan of course traveling to be. It's going to be a lot of opposing fans and it's going to be people in Vegas. Let's go check out the game. Two or west coast people going to make your you know yeah three games a year and they're just going to go to vegas not that far of a trip but the locals there in Vegas so far not embracing. I heard that's really interesting because we forget as is tourists to Vegas yeah there. We go we party and we have a great time and we leave. There's a whole community of people there who clean up our mess yes in those community people well like if you have heard no not me but if you go into tenders and this and that those community people aren't into just like I'm not just saying renders yeah like you know when you're GonNa these dating sites and you go oh to local things where you are. They're not into people coming in because like we're not a tourist attraction. You know what I'm saying like you say we've worked cleanup airline as a married man my tinder game not that sort the idea of putting a profile in Vegas on tinder and just be like hey m five six I like long walks on the beach and I really don't like the fact that the raiders are coming because they're they say what it sounds like a lot to get across and now I hear bowl game atmosphere. That's there's going to be a lot of opposing fan plus the Raider faithful better showing up a lot of they're going to be a lot of like Rajas in the club at two A._M.. How we should go to the raiders higher you're GonNa wake up at twelve twelve thirty kickoff in Africa or you're gonNA try and power through and by halftime just be done just go to the pool? I think that's what you see what the pack twelve is doing their skin. The next <hes> when once they opened the stadium twenty twenty and twenty one to PAC twelve championships will be played yeah. I think it's a good idea that scar change. Let's bring a lot of college kids to Vegas. What could possibly go wrong on E._S._P._N.? L._A.. Is the morning show. Let's go Los Angeles. Ben Lines filling in hanging bar. Go faster more more faster. Turn that treadmill up. Let's go get after it. 'cause you know thirty eight years ago M._T._V. v Premier Eight ooh Trivia question first video played on MTV kill the rain right by by the ban that it had the first video on MTV the boggles absolutely the boggles okay. They pumped this thing up. We couldn't wait for M._T._v.. We stayed up all night until it aired and and that's the first video they played and it took another four years ago by a blackout right took a while I think prince was was the first and when my start I got my first job on M._t._v. and never been on television before they said you have a half hour interview each with Will Smith Jack Black and Angelina Jolie. Just I always say Listen I was at the first reality show real world did cops precede because cops was the first reality show cops. I think it will Ferrell Pharrell step brothers and they run into like why are you sweating goes watching cops yeah but yeah that was like the beginning of the reality reality show yeah yeah that real world one has a cash because heather be who's on warning on shade forty five. She was on that show Kevin Powell who went on to be the editor five magazine. He's a great writer. Just put out another book which would have puck. was that season two was that saying that was a while season three yeah yeah yeah that was a culturally important one because Pedro was kind of the I -tations race saw on television with AIDS every day to see his story at the time really impacted by stove man. I still remember the tease for episode for Year. One one when Heather B's beeper went off and one girl goes are you a drug dealer and they went to commercial right. Oh my God yeah can't wait yeah yeah. That was the big thing started at all. Dodgers didn't make any moves yesterday. That's the big story this morning is that grinky gets traded from the diamondbacks to the Houston Astros definitely making them them the favorites in the American league but the dieters don't make any moves. It's just chilling at the deadline and all is good if you're the dodgers Hughes Pedro Gomez on the Dodgers Front office and how he writing to do much that's exactly what Andrew Freidan the rest of the front office has wrestling last <hes> the part for them that makes it easier is the checkout a guy like Mark Walter who you know is the face of the ownership who we all know is. Let's go for it. Don't worry about the Price Tag. Just go for it because it in all coming off losses look the oils were coming off losing in two thousand fourteen and Midway through the twenty fifth season. They had the opportunity like I said to get Cueto they. He knew their window was closing a lot quicker than the dodgers is and they jumped for it. You know the ring in the dodgers case. It's felt like the window ndo is going to be shutting anytime soon. He's absolutely right about that dodger's window not shutting anytime soon you gotTa love the fact that it's next man up into these young kids to see one one of them on Friday night where one of their big prospects is getting his first start so they've got this youth movement going but they don't decide to cash it in they WANNA hold back and keep going tomorrow where you Kinda surprised yesterday we were down in Golden Road and the dodgers didn't make splashy deadline moves to try to get it over the top. Oh a little bit it just who was out there that you might have wanted. There's some relief pitching that you might have went out and tried to purchase a fixture faulty bullpen. I get that but ought I'm a guy that likes to protect farm system. I think protecting your future is paramount. Especially in today's game isn't the dodgers lineup mostly the homegrown eager Turner Jaren Muncie and so they're doing a pretty good job. Bringing up young is so if they target a few guys they they don't WanNa give up then I'd have to lean with that. John Ireland was on earlier with us and he said if you look historically at these big trades at the deadline that involved prospects eighty percent under the guys don't even make it to the show right let alone what about that other twenty though that's one that's an astounding number. I would have never guessed that eighty percent don't even make it not not not aren't successful. Imo they never make it. Don't make it it's like from from if you look at the ruptured Achilles Stat in the N._B._A.. From nine hundred ninety three to two thousand thirteen seen it happened to like thirty six guys half of them never stepped on a basketball court in the rest of them the other half they averaged fifty five games games a year that they would miss out so the Brooklyn Nets rely Keigo Kevin Durant. Here's one hundred sixty million dollars. I I don't know so the dodgers injures now this they got because unlike in years past where there is this waiver deadline remember that's how they got Adrian Gonzalez and that big trade with Boston a few years back or last year how the Astros got very lindor even when I was a kid E._t.. Willie McGee Somehow ended up on the Oakland athletics coming from Saint Louis at the at the waiver line now you call the ban E._T.. He's for my hometown team. Put some respect on his name. His name hit a really weird stance in pigeon toed and stuff but the idea that there is a trade deadline but don't worry because there's a waiver deadline well. That's no no longer the case. It's all one day yesterday the dodgers for the most part stood pat I mean would you be happy with grinky dodgers. Go all in on grinky would you. I'm not saying they don't need it. Just strengthens an air. They're already starting to have the most quality starts in the major leagues this year yet starting pitching so the issue isn't your starters. It's it's getting bullpen. It's getting from Noble Tajammal still not the same bridging that gap but with grinky going to the Astros Mike Goodness I. They've got three of the top five guys in whip ails problem right okay but we might if we give to see Boston because they're not a necessary in it. We might see the Astros again and now we're going against that. Well wait a minute pitching the A- a- gives the astros the edge but it's no guarantee they're going to get there. He gives them the edge. It gives them yet but I'm talking about. I'm tired of being second place. I'm saying if you're a dodger fan. I'm tired of light you know and I had to ask the guys last week. Remember Manny would when he got here -solutely how good they were and there was a young kershaw coming out wasn't there as but they had a chance to get Roy holiday would have the trade kershaw. They would've got Roy Halladay. I'm pretty sure their goal they would have won every year. God does so they would have probably win a ring so these things you're wrestling with as a fan my take that ring or did you have a hall of fame career in Kershaw but if you don't win a ring which one do you prefer so what happens happens if they win a ring with the lineup they have now. What do you say Oh then? We just erase the tape of the show. I know they were right but we don't live in that world. We live in sports radio. World Sky's falling now demarco win the world series you'll be you're saying they're so smart. They didn't make around. They kept the synergy there chemistry couple years ago when we got Yu Darvish I thought it was a great move. I was all for and he did fine in a regular season playoffs leading up to the world series the he's the new Baltimore. He's the man who shopping name like that but no I no problem meeting with them wrong. It's it's not often but it happens well. I hope hope you're celebrating World Scout Scarf Day because it's today August I something to celebrate. This is like when scary movies were actually scary Hor he's not like this jump out in love boo real west Craven this is when it had good sex scenes in movies every morning show they did. They all had good sex scenes didn't they. I think the sex scenes are better now in scary money yeah yeah. You couldn't really do anything back then now you can you just a freak boy. You brought it up. We'll get you <music> but you kind of got into it. Do pro football focus. I remember once going to see is Ben Lines filling in here with DEMARCO far on the morning show I remember going to you see one of those. I know what you did last summer dad or something and my dad was friends with Gilbert Godfrey Academy right. I know what you did. Last summer and Jennifer Love Hewitt is she's hiding underneath the bed screaming at the theater. Just I get out. She's got a minute. I never saw one of them. I don't know where they give you more. Yeah Yeah that was his thing in West Craven made it so popular and it had a resurgence in the nineties of like all these beautiful teenagers running from some monster right. How's it going to scream? I know what you did last summer. Urban legends genre for a long time wes US craving happy birthday goblets that he would have been eighty years old. Today's birthday interview him for ice cream four what happened to him. He passed away. How does a guy come up with such creepy stuff all right yeah? What who are you like Stephen King? What's wrong with you what happened? I love Jordan. Peele now is known as the Hara Guy Because Yeah I get out this officer but it's like Jordan feels a funny dude invasive twisted dark part of his mind man. It's all that kind of weird Scifi to like. I got friends that are too the conjuring. I'm not going to see all that stuff if it's great if it's groundbreaking I'll go see that but I'm not a fan of John Know How many more bad for those little kids who are in those movies because they had to go audition and you're like you know what you could be really creepy yeah. Let's money off and creepy. Hey we were talking about. The raiders. DEMARCO favored at six or the favor of the predicted edged six wins over under in Vegas for the raiders. There's a little high <hes> you know it just depends on. What carrier in man do you think Derek Carr is actually elite? Do you think I thought at one point he was on his way is maybe one of the most overused words in all here with democracy now a couple years ago Kinda thought he Arizona's got hurt the year he got hurt before he broke his back. He was on his way and then he's been a different guy. When the rams played them there were opportunities for him to make plays towards the end the game and it looked like he was given up like he's he went to chuck and duck? He went to what Mark Bolger turned into. Ally manning is now like if the play is dead. I'm just GONNA dump the football ahead to the sideline. What about the other side of the ball? We know the ridicule McIntyre one of the worst teams at rushing the passer and they really they had a little bit but they they really address that I mean are you worried Marino and so I think six is actually about right. I don't see them with a ton of playmakers on either side you know and it's funny you games. You're playing baseball baseball stadium. We'll Mac the team right. The Door Vegas already no doubt historically bad year for the rate they are reality show literally reality they they do an H._B._O.. GRUDEN and if he can resurrect car Got Antonio Brown. <hes> you know the trendy pick for winning. Three Games. Show on hard knocks coach the video. He's anything where he used to be. They're going to be decent tough division A._F._C.. West keeping the local such charger. It's the chiefs division of course but chargers over-under on wins. What does that have in your little internet box? They're Raj nine and a half a wildcard threat definitely a wildcard threat in the A._F._C. because the chiefs he's going to win the division definitely right. That's going to be your top season yeah. It's GonNa be a top seed so I would versus the teams that are going to be the wild card candidates. Let's I'd I would it'd be hard to go pass Philip rivers and the chargers especially if they get Mellon Gordon carver's chargers excuse me there went to speak nine and a half yeah nine and seven and like you said that you're taking the under that's well. I'll take the over. They won twelve games last year so you will take ten yeah if you're nine and seven year an eyelash away from eleven five. That's the way I look at it. Okay yeah very positive outlook on like you have good energy. I mean if you if you're good enough for nine and seven you're good enough eleven bad enough to be seventy nine. This is true right ten and a half says Vegas over under on wins for the Ravens won thirteen thirteen last season. How many Games have has mcvay lost coaching only two or three he lost up in Minnesota Chicago New Orleans Chicago and New Orleans? That's three so the only three games he's lost and there might be one more one more. I think there's only three okay yeah that makes sense. He'll coach McVeigh has never been in second place in Los Angeles. That's a good thing that's a very good thing under over under ten and a half in Los Angeles. I'll take the over. I take them winning the N._F._C. West raise in Los Angeles. What do not count out the Seattle seahawks? Don't make that mistake also see you. GotTa Think San Francisco is going to have a bounceback. If they get some Garoppolo they can scare you but Seattle Seattle was the last year was they were building year and they wound up in the playoffs. That's a rebuilding year and you're still in the postseason so don't count out Seattle at all. Go Hawks. Ha can't stand the hawks. Oh my God nine wins for Dallas Cowboys. That's the over under the under under eight eight playoffs playoffs playoffs not play. I'll take the under because of the the Zeke Elliott problem. They are the most hyped most mm-hmm garbage franchise all sports the Knicks would be close to the next terrible. He'll no matter how Terao boys will be eight and eight but still on television they get the highest rate. It's hard for you to talk trash. How's your nickname because the stands? I don't know who was fourth in the N._B._A.. All Star break in the insists Alfred sports talks point of your life and they bring up the next and it's all gone uh-huh yes but they do make Diplo they win playoff game here near I think they're incredibly mediocre. How's that cowboys fan but the hype Israel because even if they're eight eight they're going to be the top rated team on T._v.? Year after year after year we put it that way ride she kind of makes sense then that there are America's team because that label making saying what I would mediocre earned minute is kind of goofy and just kind of Corny. You know what I mean. I don't like it but I mean but it is true. They're the robot nursery actually does apply to the scene on I say this morning about Zeke and not only should they pay him or should they. You know not pay them. Should he hold out. Should they trade him. Trade Zeke Elliott. Why would you do that so you don't have to pay some value going to put on the field? Let's say like a Lamar Miller swell. You've got this amazing offensive line that may demarco Murray look like a superstar pretty good. Take a superstar okay here here. You can plug in someone else. Let me grab him. Let me grab you by the head and just say oh well now. Let me scream this into your fans married. You don't don't trade your good players ever you. Don't you don't trade guys like Zeke Elliot. You keep them you build around them U.. Penn running backs ridiculous amounts of money that will hamstring your franchise for years to come see this is my philosophy and tell me if you subscribe to this in in today's football today's game berry sanders wouldn't be Barry Sanders because you wouldn't pay him. He'll be you know my Barry Sanders when you have a transcendent Guy Barry Sanders how already playoff games Barry Sanders winning Detroit zero but you wouldn't get there without him. That's the point when you have good players. You keep them. Why would you ever give away your you're good players because you can get value? Raiders fans ever think you're going to somehow come out in the positive for getting rid of Khalil Mack you lose forever. You never come back from that National Day. No no no no no. I thought it was no me neither I._P.. As they got that tastes that just to sour or too strong or whatever it is yeah. I don't know I'm Kinda Guy. Was that say about tell me I mean they're popular. People drink a lot but I also national respect for parents. Stay okay celebrating. I guess you need a day for that. Yeah we're celebrating National Minority Donor Awareness Day. What is that you know like blood donor or what just donate some donating steps okay all right? Yes I have a feeling what would be the most popular item what Oh stop it. Oh Raj what is wrong with me. I'm just saying I'm just saying you know you weren't allowed many houses as a child where you keyshawn says I'm not allowed to spend the night over but yes. He won't let me spend my God. Let's get back to these over under shall we the Cleveland Browns at six and a half now. I'll take the over Ooh but you just sit is you. You didn't like they're receiving core. You wouldn't give half. I Apologize The browns the hype Israel the Browser at nine nine nine on the browns is there. Is there a mid point to over under well you can take right on. I think nines good will usually they have a half. They're they're going to win ten games or are they going to go eight and eight there. Are They GonNa go tenants six-year Opinion or eight eight the Cleveland browns. I think they're closer to eight which would be great for them. I will never like bet that money or make prediction that the Cleveland Browns will win ten football games but until I see them win. Ted Got Talent and you saw what happened. I believe some big. He wears a headband. I love the headband. I think you're a little ahead of yourself with him. I said he would be number. One <hes> prior to that <hes> midseason us on with a hippy and one time and getting a good but anyway despite his size when you watch them play the accuracy is real. It's like drew brees like some fixed leadership in the vibe in the whole thing I didn't he yell at some teammates or something like that. He talked guys know that that's a big part of our offense and they know that it's just the fact that if we get lazy and we let thank slide <hes> we need to be over communicating right now. That's that's what the good teams do like. I said GonNa be on the same page he's yelling to his teammates and trying to get him fired up confronting some of the wide receivers levers out there yeah good luck. You're yelling at pros man. You just got here. You put a leader the leader you just got. He wears a headband okay so let's put an intern right next to you and have him yell at you Siraj. You don't know what you're doing. Yes yeah right. He's not an intern is your start he. He just got there and they have a new head coach now. Head coach did well last year once he took over yeah. You saw them. Do well mentions yeah I mean that's the most intriguing team we like last year. I wanted to see Casey. I WanNa see <hes> pat homes. You know yeah and that was the most intriguing this year. I really want to see what Cleveland does on the field. I just yeah I'm excited. The rams go their week. Three can't wait national game right for that game. That's it's GonNa be fun. There's GonNa be a lot of HOOPLA. It's going to be a lot of I think what hurts Cleveland no last year okay. They want some games where they had really like seventy nine it because he lost the title game that could have won so those were all sneak up on people this year with all the high plus all the National Games they have to me. They're not sneaking up on anyone. That's a bad thing I know concerns me. That's why eight yeah okay but still watch it. I still want to watch it unfold like there's so insured out to me and they're dif. I I love myles Garrett. I think he's one of the better defensive lineman out there. He's a monster so they're good on both sides. We'll we'll see how good Baker Mayfield is when you've got tape on them. I I just can't wait till it's like October first and they're one in three and everyone's just freaking oh boy it's going to be a combat Odell and it's just GonNa be a reaction what about <hes> Aaron Rogers and the Green Bay packers over under now. Don't get me started on this gap. I'll take the under and it pains me to say because I don't know what's going on in Green Bay or what happened questioning the coach horrible job surrounding with talent you think of the big time free agent he's raw talent ears and it's done. That's a great question. Have you done a horrible job. Surrounding him with talent or like democracy has he run them off run greatest quarterbacks in the history of the N._F._l.. That's what the narrative is in. You know you see his raw talent. One Super Bowl win out of with tally. He still had talent on rosters in one super bowl underachieving anytime you're playing Aaron Rodgers. You're in danger if he got the ball back here. That's a different ball game. You know when they play the rams here so that's different but there's two guys in my opinion they went on ego-trips Rothlisberger Aaron Rodgers their running off talent talent they are when they become the franchise they become everything they start to lose that coaches Mike Tomlin's hanging in there but you start to lose talent around them because they think it's all just them. You know what I haven't done this conversation. Do you like great football. Been I rush. I used to be a guy wasn't that integrate football now great football gap and guess what guess what's even better beer and warm sand if you like that you need a little demarco because corona beer the official beer of the L._A.. Rams is giving you the chance chance to fly away to Hawaii. That's why you can see the rams. Take on America's cowboys in August seventeenth at aloha stadium now. What does the trip include you might ask then I would imagine tickets to see the rams already

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From the Bleachers #1: A Love Letter to Vikings' Fans

Bleeding Green Nation

29:27 min | 1 year ago

From the Bleachers #1: A Love Letter to Vikings' Fans

"He's my co-host maximize talk next steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we this is Jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in his office network ashamed underscore clancy may be a reader of my daily newsletter from Broad Street with love talking about Sixers Eagles every day of the week Monday through Friday weekly Sports magazine so that was a newspaper Slash magazine that came out every week across the country one time an article I wrote a feature does this strange everyone on the Fan Perspective now I'm a writer I've written for a lot of places I said wrote for NBC Sports Philadelphia All as Eagles season six or season appearance on any BGN radio show. I could not be more excited talk to you guys today Tuesday Ron Record Monday night but that you'll be here on this on Tuesday tomorrow ending up over there mantle but when I look back and I see that maybe one of the biggest eagles articles ever wrote at that time Twenty fifteen was a cover story about how Finan well quaint and with the Internet now writing on their I've written him some big articles for blustery nation might time wrote an article three years ago about some of my personal struggles final DeMarco Murray was going to be running behind the Eagles offensive line I'm not too proud about that one but again a lot of things have changed in the Eagles World since then tomorrow Mary is just you know one step in our seven degrees of separation that landed the Eagles Carson Wentz by digress again. My Name's Shane clancy from twitter oppy there's one talking to people in real life while just find forming all my opinions based off of those guys say they're smarter but I want to do something a little different I really want to bring out wrote for USA Today couple summers in college covering the Eagles training camp back in the chip error member I had a on USA Today's eagles running back was the cover of that newspaper magazine whenever you want to call it across the entire country and you would think that something would have framed in my apartment my parents would be what about myself again my name is James Clancy Lifelong South Philadelphian Rin all over the Internet in Philly sports world intern for the Philadelphia Daily News for about a year in Cali into me so I've been in this for a log eagles season ticket holder have been since my freshman year of college so that was two thousand twelve twenty five to eagles fans journey arrived finally Lincoln my twitter account twitter bio but anyone here is the from the bleachers podcast while I'm GonNa do here is trying to get something that's a little different the most knowledgeable football guys I've ever come across the Internet I think one of my takes gutter bed all either listened to their takes and if it's different than mine are probably with my mental health in some things going on my life and how much Vigo's ends car someone's rookie season really helped me at that time my life and how much this eagles teen link and the First Eagles game I really have a concrete memory of is game they clinched the division that here at home at the vet over the everything else going on in the bleeding green nation at work and I love these podcasts I've loved them for years Biaggi's the man of course the Godfather Kissing so lacquer listening to the first ever episode of the from the bleachers podcast here on the wonderful th will clean and Green Nation podcast family name is James Clancy and this is my first stay after a playoff loss or even a regular season loss that was my childhood then in high school and college got there I learned heartbreak the hard way of really ever had if I could just live you know a stretch on loop just give me January and February twenty eighteen ever literally anything in the world promise and disappointment that was the chip Kelly era now that really solidified in my mind that the eagles were truly never GonNa win the Super Bowl but now we're back they won the super bowl the New York giants giants scoring last play the game on some crazy trickery I think there was a sort of a hook and ladder type scenario where sweating it out as was I at six years old six seven years old harrison sentiment hooked a typical kid crying his eyes out begging not to go to school be just an apple should game win streak tend to the game yesterday where they demolished quite terrible giants team that jets offense the jets team I'm sorry get the fantastic time best that like five weeks Banham the playoffs through the next big super bowl the best time my life the best what who kissed a girl broad street on went viral on twitter about in this random now she's sitting twenty feet away Liam up sitting there on the upper level with my family my friends kids I've known my entire life I dad perfection perfection infinitely more than I enjoyed this people you know why because from basically the middle of the second quarter on it just turned into a party that's what I'm talking about thirty eight to seven thirty eight to seven could talk to literally any eagles fan inside the city I had no sort of anger or disdain for the Minnesota Vikings I was a kid when Moss was awesome I love Randy Moss Thought Dante culpepper and the way their diapers just always full and why they do they're all shucks little midwestern persona that is so fake and belongs on ninety super bowl as it every fan but I think I don't think I certainly enjoyed the NFC championship game but twenty seventeen and that's he championship game everything that happened with Vikings fans leading up to that week that Sunday night matchup just fueled my fire even more if you just say that to them thirty seven they know exactly what you're talking about exactly so I'm gonNA throw it back to that night and yeah I watched the me reading a book as a record this that's the eagles man that's why I love the eagles it just brings me closer to everyone in my life it's doing that right now because the eagles are on crapping your team's confused that jets team was trash just trash that might have been the worst offense I've ever seen at least from a team the eagles played the art museum steps took this weirdly angled picture that made it look like the entire art museum area was swarmed with Vikings Fans Eighty Sitcom I'm sick of it I don't like fake people talk about people from Philadelphia all you want there to keep a real unlike millie bad but something changed something changed I think we all know what it is and judge going by three numbers and one word all the memories may my friends my girlfriend Ashley the Eagles who both might not know he might know that story might not know it's about me but yeah it was the Carrie Kahn toss it to to Barbara then I believe Ron Dixon with when he got down to the two or thirty and people were however the famous vikings fans are drew mcgarry from deadspin king all you guys can all get lost it just get lost your crybabies crybabies that's it the New York jets but I'm going to be simultaneously looking forward in looking backward in this podcast this week 'cause the eagles are playing the Minnesota Vikings now naturally my whole life from Minnesota and the Great Lakes actually if you looked at an aerial view that shot it'll like fifty people standing outside fifty people in Viking helmets just give it from that perspective Luke Falk is a future insurance salesman has got that written all over him he could just imagine handing out his allstate business cards you at some crappy happy hour option at the hotel room in suburban Illinois so yeah get log is on the network reaction to last week's game to what happened where the eagles demolished my I I see eagles seat ever have some concrete memories of without two thousand one season the first time they won the division since nineteen eighty eight I think back to in the week that a bunch of Vikings fans come over to do quote unquote takeover Philadelphia and they all stood up the eagles are three point underdogs Minnesota Vikings this week as they were back on that beautiful night January twenty first fascinating it was forty seven degrees the eagles played in Minnesota was on February fourth twenty eighteen in the Eagles won the super bowl. I don't know if you guys did you guys hear about that the Eagles won the superbowl that year one time zone over you might be doing it wrong anyway they're talking to this guy he's saying oh you better be paired you may not WanNa wear leggings stuff you know these people in Purple Shirts looking insane standing outside the museum while all the boxers had absolutely no idea what they were doing and then I was just all of these you know in these small town the whole life yet I believe Philadelphia and all the worst ways and the best ways I bleed greed we're in a bleeding green nation obviously from south Philadelphia South maybe one of the biggest plays in Philadelphia sports has may be the biggest turning point it's one of those things I linked back to maybe that was thirty two degrees and that was by far the coldest I've ever been at an eagles stadium at that wasn't a playoff game I could see people on the stands leaving and I really wouldn't have blamed him I was hey if you're traveling to Philadelphia for the big football game this weekend you'd better steer clear of those Philadelphia fans because you know they'll throw snowballs at Santa Claus and boo their own blister animals their trash in not just all things I internalize Dan just speaks to me in all the ways people have just trash filled off this is my life anyway so lead not to that game the barely squeak by the Falcons in the divisional round they were still under aw everyone had their dog mask on as soon as that things went viral from Chris Long in Bo Al and wearing those dogmatic hop on Amazon bought one right away now what beer every five seconds because my nerves were shot so it's forty seven degrees and it felt like a beautiful you know October Sunday night on local news shows the clubs would go viral and they'd make their way to Philadelphia of these again aw Shucks TV personality saying legendary story though to that night as we know the Vikings wearing control the game when down on scored on their first drive touchdown the Kyle Rudolph Beagles Dimension you slip into once you go to the central time zone but if you're using a travel agent and twenty eighteen to book a trip that's you know folks going into that game at Minnesota they were three point underdogs this week in Minnesota this game will be played at Minnesota and if you don't remember the last time the people are high five swing in my head wildly I don't even know what's going on because I can't even see anything in front of my face terrible mask ought with a three now and the sky was falling in Philadelphia the sky was falling and then came the unsung hero of the twenty Seventeen Eagles who made night anything in that kind of sounds cold in it is but the previous week's game against Atlanta in Philadelphia divisional round game that was a Saturday night game this is changing everything not just changing everything in this game changing everything changing everything you've ever known about the eagles in what the Eagles mean to you and what you're liars and they're talking to some travel agent you know that's how you know Minnesota is so stuck in a different era in a different time period philly native wins a high school in North Philly went to college in university city the longest ever left city is like a seven day period to go to Disney world when I was a kid that's it ever seen that flicker dettori Smith is maybe the most perfectly thrown pass ever my biased Yet Nick foles is a hero he's a folk here in Philadelphia on the level of rockier whoever Benjamin Franklin whoever else you want to say I don't care fearn fan base is the way you know Tom Brady does way Aaron Rodgers does way Russell Wilson does way Brett Farve dead I think he will be but after a hit from Chris Long when Ryan Patrick Robinson's hands scrambled all over the field Dovan for touchdown and nothing was ever let's say you have about the eagles or even when they get down in there hurt you maybe it's a negative thoughts you have about yourself and Patrick Robinson that ball from case keenum that duck and Nick foles was super and he goes one and they beat Tom Berry Brady and the Patriots and Bill Bell check the scores Forty One thirty three you might not have heard about that but again ah bundled up as a human possibly could have been I probably looked like Ralphie on a Christmas story the way it was walling through the stadium in and out and down the road to go to the bathroom for drinking -tations for the colossal failure view experienced your entire life as an eagles fan all of those things that you've internalized all those ideas and those negative thoughts against the Milwaukee brewers in game what was that two of the two thousand eight it was one of those moments where you stop everything you're doing and you're just kind of stuck in a moment of tie one thing I don't want to call her Grad it's not a regret but the one thing that I could have wished was Carson Wentz had more active role in that game she looking back on that into this deeply deeply next week hey the cowboys more than I hate really anything but this there's this weird infatuation with me when it comes mm-hmm and things just slowed down in your Donovan starting to realize the totality of the moment in how much you think there's a slow white guy so I like the chances there so we had Minnesota this week upcoming on Sunday and then Sunday night in Dallas so obviously the cowboys the eagles might have the best defense in the NFL and their best wide receiver doesn't want to play for the team anymore and our second best receiver think this podcast has called from the bleachers obviously McRae's eagles fan doing this crap but man that was the most perfect throw ever as much as I love Nick foles just from Vikings fans because they cry and they cry in the complain the me they Philip by mentioned wherever I bring up thirty seven wound that's the only thing you ever saying it's thirty Matt Stares Homerun in the two thousand eight against the Los Angeles dodgers or Shane metronews Grand Slam Aussie Bath at Citizens Bank park talking about your Vikings Fan I just say the score of the game and your heart drops heart drops I hope we have another moment like that on I'm ready ever the same again in Philadelphia the rest of the story Nick foles look like nineteen eighty nine Joe Montana out there slinging it through some of the best passes were ready for this episode is brought to you by CBS sports HQ so much of Sports TV nowadays is full of made up drama it's a bunch of hot it'd be easier download the CBS sports APP and watch CBS SPORTS HQ Today. Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly The Vikings just cry babies cry babies they wine they wine the wine on twitter I have so many tweets bookmarked season in the magic of foles his whole entire redemption Ark the best redemption Ark ever outside of what season six Jamie Lancaster on game of thrones earliest seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP now when the sports fans just open the CBS sports APP and watch anytime from anywhere on your phone or at home on your apple TV Roku or fire TV it could kurt cousins Kirk cousins right Kurt K. U. R. T. Kurt and led by Devon Cook whose can task on the ground but I will say Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means I'm not seeing those dock mass you think you'd be able to but you're just basically walking blind Alabama I was wearing that as I was walking up the escalator to the top level link about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exact tastes from people who don't even believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but CBS sports HQ is here to change all that it's a network that streams live twenty four seven in free for a week or a month or if you have some special cable package it's totally completely free for everybody you don't even need a log in just sports for real liking starting quarterback was case keenum who had one of those classic fluky seasons where he led Minnesota to start the season as their backup quarterback behind he might as well be from Minnesota just this Vanilla Mayo white bread white boy Dork so he's easy there's any fan base that I want to strike fear in the early two and Ios play them the next two weeks the Minnesota Vikings led by quarterback the Sam Bradford Sam Bradford imagining having fit and Sam Bradford starting quarterback I did once you learn the hard way years and I hate him he stinks he's such a Dork he's adore the whole you like that just the corneas stuff. Imaginable rose played the Vikings in the two thousand eighteen while twenty seventeen it was in January twenty first two thousand eighteen when they play the Vikings in the NFC championship game. The you need to make the right calls for your lineup no fake debates no politics just sports for real sports fans the best news of all it's free woke up to a test man Schefter Jay Gruden gone and since he's been in Minnesota they give the Vikings and their analytically into seven well thirty seven that's the only thing that matters with your franchise your franchise has more disappointments in the eagles used to have your failures choke artists and you just know what he just looks like he was made in this most vanilla pretty good at College Michigan State just yeah he just midwestern again like flying in their brilliant front office gave a quarterback eighty four million dollars guaranteed just the hand the ball off every play running offense from nineteen forty seven against and he's not as good as people think he is he's not as good as he needed Jay Gruden more than Jay Gruden needed him I think Che Gordon who was just fired yesterday title by an appearance in NFC championship game where they God destroyed but now they have a new quarterback as you know they signed last season it's great and what's what makes it so special makes it such a true underdog story but I want cars wants to get his own car so wants to get the respect he deserves from the national media and I want him the strikes even in their coverage is just focused on the game they bring you the latest news highlights previews and reactions to all the onfield action fantasy sports experts will give you the information the only the animosity I hold towards Minnesota Vikings fans is based purely out of Schadenfreude and how might demented disease to a deal worth eighty four million dollars kirk cousins Sir now if you're an eagles fan you're obviously familiar with cousins from his time with the redskins and basically what I mean is this all every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do eased Eagles Fan Fan Brain I get so much out of their misery set a little weird yet but football fans weird so I mean if everyone there with that stupid horn they do after every I down that's the dumbest stuff ever as a kid in Madden Oh my God when you do franchise mode squirrel specifically thirty seven if they were to win forty four to seven I'd be a little upset at it and just score six fewer points oh but that game really isn't filled with Minnesota Vikings fans it's film with ABC executives from t mobile and is winning five through bowls and there being so many bandwagon cowboys friends from the Philly area and there's people I knew growing up who cowboys fans and were gigantic Weirdos because of it Sam Bradford got replaced but he was injured as you would expect and then case keenum behind a some solid go players and a fantastic defense runaway the NFC all this other stuff all like your raise your kids to beat savages. I don't care you guys are just Dorks your losers to you think Alma loser look in the Mirror Liking Nordic Horn that it would blow after every I down and it was the most annoying thing in the world I can't imagine actually attending in Eagles Vikings into and he goes podcast from Specific Eagles fans right now I'm sure you're a little bit of a Disease Eagles Fan too I love that about you I love that you're listening in a soda because I need a put little earmuffs on literal months not just Vince Vaughn style hands over your ears either some earplugs earmuffs I could not listen and fraud to the fullest extent I

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Best of The Herd: 08/15/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

43:18 min | 1 year ago

Best of The Herd: 08/15/2019

"Take clay travis host of the out kick coverage podcast. Join me every day as i give you the nation strongest opinions on the biggest stories in sports if you're looking for a sports podcasts casts smarter original funny and authentic alka coverage of clay travis the perfect podcast for you i even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with clay travis which featured long conversations with the biggest names in sports business entertainment. Listen on apple podcast or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts cast thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon pacific on fox sports radio n._f._s. One find your local station for the hurt at fox sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard is the best of the herd with colin coward on fox sports radio. Oh this is gonna hurt wherever you may be however. You may be listening living. We are live in los angeles on iheartradio a fox sports radio and f- ask one joy taylor is joining me today on a thursday i woke woke up this morning and it was a little cooler this morning pistol little cooler this morning where i live little do you starting to form in the air to feel that football now joy taylor and i feel the football l. a. Definitely has different depends on where you live in l._a. Different temperatures yes yes. It felt like i was in the middle of the desert yesterday okay so it was hot where you live but i live near the water by the beach. It's beechy and i'm feeling it's football. They do yeah they do yeah they. Do you know we hear a lot about all time great and there's very few all time greats. We've talked about it in the n._b._a. As much as it's a star driven league there's been like six guys who have ever moved the tv ratings <hes>. There's a lot of good in sports. There's a lot of very good in sports. There's very little awful in sports. There's a major league baseball teams at the bottom right now baltimore miami that are just brutal triple a. baseball teams but in the end if you want to be an all time talent. It doesn't matter where you went to college it really doesn't it doesn't matter to a large degree who your coaches were. You're in high school college. If you wanna be an all time great the only thing you got to be as healthy. You can't name all time greats that were hurt a lot and when i hear about l._b._j. Having another injury camp this is the safest the n._f._l.'s ever been. This is the least hitting on receivers they've ever been. Camps are lighter than they've ever been. You go talk to n._f._l. Players you talked n._f._l. Coaches they just don't hit and camp and b._j.'s hurt again well. It's no big deal thirty thirty two games. He's been hurt in sixteen of last thirty two games. He's missed sixteen of them. He's not going to be an all time great. He's an all time. I'm great talent but if you're asking me over the next four years who's the brown's number one receiver. It's going to be jarvis landry. This is comparing sports car to an s._u._v. sports cars flashy at peak performance. They're amazing. They're faster. They're wilder but you can't trust them in the winter. They break down more. They're not as durable. Jarvis landry is going to have more catches than o._b. Jay this year. He's the s._u._v. groceries kids to soccer practice. Use it year round not as flashy not as fun. It's dependable the n._f._l. Is all about availability. That's why carson ersan went as far more talented than dak prescott but dak may get more money. If dad was getting injured and carson was healthy their salaries wouldn't even be close because their talents not close but dak is available and carson isn't an that's why people in philadelphia. There's some fingers crossed brett farve john elway. Tom brady drew brees every sunday. Marcus mariota really talented did you don't know if we can get through a season opiates her too much listen. Larry fitzgerald didn't miss games randy. Moss calvin johnson jerry. He writes played every game every year except one hines ward tim brown eleven straight years didn't miss a game michael. Irvin got beat up a little but in seven of twelve years didn't miss a game. If you want to be an all time great you got to be available to play jarvis landry. People get this when jarvis landry and obi j. were at l._s._u. Together gather the last two years you know because jarvis landry didn't play much as a freshman at l._s._u. They had a bunch of good players. Oh b._j. Played earlier but in the last two years of their careers at l._s._u. Hugh jarvis landry had more catches catches and jarvis landry the last four years in the n._f._l. Is that more catches now. Now the sports car or o._b._g._y._n.'s spectacular on the one hand cat in the paris hotel room and he gets talked about in the hair and the look in the shoes. I'm not denying that sports. Cars are a lot of fun but sports cars. Are everybody's second car. You need the car that you can get your kids to practice. Get the groceries. Put the dogs in the back. Go to the park jarvis landry so we talked talked about o._b._g._y._n. I think he'll never be an all time great because he's just not going to be healthy enough and by the way he's a young oh b._j. So athletes get hurt early. Get hurt often but he's not going to get healthier. His body is what it is. His style is what it is but i think in cleveland all this talk about oh b._j. In four years are you sure her lovie. Jay's going to be in cleveland. I say it's a coin flip. I say it's fifty fifty jarvis landry going to be there. Catching eight to ninety eight football's doesn't miss dodge yards doesn't miss games totally dependable just not nearly as flashy oh b._j. Hurt again so we've been talking talking about this for like a month because basically after n._b._a. Free agency and right in the football and the big story has been man. The cowboys cowboys got a quarterback in deck running back zeke in a wide receiver amari. It's their triplets. Everybody's got to triplets god pay. The triplets blitz and my takeaway is in the n._f._l. Outside of top quarterback talent you don't pay anybody and there are certain positions like running back. I'm going to rarely pay over eight million bucks. A year. Zeke wants double that clarence hill covers for the fort worth press telegram he he covers the cowboys. He says the cowboys have money. Pay all and pay them all well. The goal is to win the super bowl not to balance the budget so they they shouldn't have to pick between one or the other. They have the money to pay jerry seventy six he says i don't have time to have a bad time so so they need to get those guys in pay those guys to win now. They've already paid chavez. Federick zack martin in they've already paid to margaret laurey. They're already under contract in the fold tower. Smith smith is in the fold. We'll see on a daily smith. He has two years. You know design him a hard cap. They got the money. They got seventy five million a cab room next year twenty million again this year okay. They've got the camp room but lemme ask you. Are we overstating how talented the cowboy triplets are so. Let's just look at dak who you keep telling me and i think we agree is kind of a middle of the pack guy zeke terrific running back and amari good but not transformational it good receiver. I like him so are they. As good as the saints triplets triplets breeze alvin kamara and michael thomas no now those guys are all pro bowlers are they as good as matt ryan devante freeman and julio jones matt ryan last year had thirty five touchdowns and seven picks no okay so he's a pro bowl quarterback and julio jones is arguably the best receiver in the league now devante freeman is not as good as zeke and he is hurt but what he's healthy is damn good are they. As good as the chargers big three knows philip rivers has better than dak and keenan allen is absolutely better than amari cooper and melvin gordon is top three in the league so they're not as good as the chargers triplets are they as good as brady sony only michelle and julian edelman. Well brady and dak aren't close. I would take element over amari cooper. Yes i would and sony michelle is one of the top up to two three best young running backs in the league. He's not zeke but i'd take new england's big three. Let's go to cleveland's big three baker nick chabanel b._j. Well i think they're all more more think. Bakers are more natural quarterback talent and dak. I think nick chubs not zeke but he's close at any go b._j. Is better tamari well. Let's go to green bay's big three aaron rodgers aaron jones and davante adams. I don't think it's really close. I think devante but other mari i think erin's better than dak and i mean <hes> <hes> erin jones is good. He's a top twelve running back down the league so those are five or six by the way then you start getting into a bunch of triplets. That's where i know two of three or better. The rams jared goff is better than back robert woods amari close close close. I probably give i'd probably give woods by an inch girlies not zeke but he's still going to be a sixteen kerry stud indianapolis louis andrew luck t y hilton are better than dak and amari cooper houston does shawn watson de'andre hopkins since two of three are better than deck. Amari pittsburgh. Ben in juju are better than back in amari kansas city patrick mahomes tyreek hill are better are than deck and amari so my point is how good are the triplets you wanna you wanna you want to back up the truck on this stuff. How good are they. They're not as good is romo. Demarco murray says they're not tony romo threw thirty four. Let's take the twenty fourteen season roll through thirty. Four touchdown sound passes dak last year twenty-three tony romo threw for at least twenty six touchdown passes seven times tony romo better go to the dad and then dez had sixteen touchdowns thirteen hundred yards in that two thousand fourteen season. Amari is career touchdown average. It's six now. Demarco murray's not as good as zeke but behind that offensive line which was young and great he did lead the league in rushing so when you start talking about just pay the guys. How good are the three guys. How good are they dak. Doc is viewed as middle of the pack. Amari is a very good be receiver. You've got a superstar running back. Who's demanding a new deal. Two years out. Immaturity issues judicial consequences every off-season before for you load up the brinks truck. Just ask yourself. The cowboys previous triplets romo democracy marine dez were more talented with higher ceilings than the current triplets and how does that do in the play offs not great be sure to catch live editions the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. Hey i'm andy if you don't know me. It's probably because i'm not famous but i did start a men's grooming company called harry's. The idea for harry's came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over over designed and out of touch at harry's. Our approach is simple. Here's our secret we make sharp durable blades and sell them honest prices for as low as two dollars each. We care about about quality so much that we do some crazy things like by a world class german blade factory obsessing over every detail means. We're confident and offering one hundred percent quality. Guarantee millions of guys have already made the switch to harry's so thank you if you're one of them and if you're not we hope you give it a try with this special offer. Get a harry starter set with a five blade razor waited waited handle shave gel and travel cover offered just three bucks plus free shipping just go to harrys dot com and enter four four four four at checkout account. That's harrys dot com code four four four four enjoy. Obviously tom brady is the best quarterback in the history of the league the goat outright. We don't really argue it until lebron james. We didn't really argue it with michael. Jordan munch without magic was really good and kareem was good but m._j. Was the goat and then lebron came around. Its neck. Talk show debate topic. Nobody made a big fuss when tom brady his fifth super bowl and then all of a sudden is six super bowl and everybody's like okay the joe montana stuff it's over. He's just got more but there is a decline for tom. Brady chris collins were talked about it yesterday when he joined us the former all pro wide receiver the n._b._c. sunday night night football analysts next to al michaels. He talked about his decline in our show yesterday. I don't think you get to forty. Whatever is one and a half forty two years old and you. You don't decline in some way i mean tom. Brady used to be able to throw a ball about as far as anybody in the league so has he declined klein of course he has. I mean he's not he's not that age but if you're declining and winning super bowls that's pretty good listen. There's so much intellectual actual dishonesty on any debate in sports or in politics doesn't matter if it's guns it's trump it. There's a lot of intellectual dishonesty st by the media by the public. I love brady but i would be intellectually dishonest if i didn't acknowledge one of the reasons tom's very a gradual slight decline is mostly hidden is because the division he's in if you look at the history of dynasties in this country generally you need what i would call a local break. When pete carroll was dominating college football the pac twelve was atrocious it was he had like seven lay down games a year he could rest starters. They were healthy at the end of years. You know when michael jordan had his dynasty the celtics and the pistons he couldn't get through them for years. They got old. They could get to the finals every year. I mean in the eastern conference. Their arrival was the knicks a roster of guys who would win a bar fight but couldn't shoot so by the time he faced utah and phoenix seattle really good teams. He'd had a local local break. I've said this about lebron eastern conference. I mean you can take games off. You don't have to play his heart these western teams they fall apart. The warriors fell l. apart. This year houston fell apart last year toronto's healthy as an ox y because the east is easier. You gotta local break listen. Tom brady is not only thirty three against the bills twenty seven six against the jet and twenty two and eleven against the dolphins but i'll give you i'll give you an example of the little breaks rakes and they don't last long but the little breaks. Tom is now getting because of the dysfunction in the a._f._c. East in these two and the three week breaks other teams don't get these go look at the patriots schedule so we two three and four. It's miami jetson buffalo two with those three have brand new staffs and it's early in the season so you're facing brand new coaching staffs that are just now implementing the system. All three three of them have quarterbacks in their second year in the league. That's a real break if i got belichick brady assist seventy year old offensive line coach and bring back kover whelming roster that is what i would call a break in the n._f._l. Schedule because of dysfunction in the a._f._c. east they go into the october at worst three and one and actually not really facing a veteran staff veteran quarterback. I veteran offensive line in a completely built motivated enrolling culture now. Their schedule in the middle is like everybody else's but let's go to the end of the patriots three at season buffalo at home miami at home which presumably gives them a buy into a home playoff game another three three week break buffalo second year quarterback. I liked their coaching staff. They're rebuilding. They don't have a great fluid momentum based offensive system then it's miami. We don't even know who the quarterback his right now so in the n._f._l. Season everybody what is every player doing the n._f._l. Season season they go to their schedule and look for the by its rest now. I'm not insinuating playing miami. Buffalo and the jets is rest but but there are two micro what i would call respites in the schedule when the veteran patriots will face young quarterbacks young a young staffs young position coaches new cultures dysfunctional organizations those are breaks. Those are real breaks and it's those micro roll breaks. There's no question and that dysfunction that is given tom what i would call a local discount and that is why as decline nine has been so granular so hard that attacked listen if you put him in certain divisions in this n._f._l. I mean right right now. You've got houston tennessee the colts jacksonville. There's pro bowlers on all those rosters. I mean tennessee you look at and go oh tennessee. It's been nine and seven three straight years best offensive line arguably in the league so i do think pete carroll at u._s._c. m._j. At the end of his career winning titles lebron eastern conference. Let's be honest about nick sabin in the s._e._c. l._s._u. Can't get the coach right. Auburn can't get the coat drive. Tennessee can't get the coach right right until now florida can't get the coach right. Dan mullen finally got the coach right. It's a little bit of a local break for nick. Then you put a by here citadel few view times here and you generally go into the play offs of very healthy or healthier than who you play football to be sure to catch live editions. The heard weekdays at noon eastern not a. m. pacific. I think one of the funniest things about social media is that you get an an urgent and exact response from fans used to be years ago before talkradio. The only time the fans had a voice was a letter to the editor at a local newspaper. Then sports talk radio's developed and you know yet people calling hanging in there very emotional. Social media has just enhanced that where people freak out when you suggest a good team last year won't be as good or a team last year that was average will be better than that is outrageous to predict even though we know it happens every year. One of the things i'm proudest of is my blazing. Five pits picks hit. Almost sixty percent professional sports bettors get about fifty seven percent. We're on that number. We work hard at blazing five. I love it. I also like my ability to go and say these two teams that were good won't be these. Two teams that are bad will be good. We're pretty good on that last. Few years like six four four around there so so in the last thirty years four teams that didn't make the playoffs will make the playoffs in the n._f._l. So you look at the playoff teams and they all look good and cheese. Patriots texans since chargers cowboys bears rams saints. You know you'll be outraged. If i told you for those wouldn't make it and four new ones are in so i'm not going going to tell you who's not gonna make it. We'll be optimistic today. I'll just tell you who i think is going to make the playoffs number. One the pittsburgh steelers they were nine six and one last year with massive turmoil. They were a good football team. Last year. Now they've added devon bush who looks like about the best draft pick. They got the drama out the door by the way ben through ten of his sixteen interceptions when targeting antonio brown meaning meaning he had to feed him constantly or a._b._c. struggled emotionally. They have the best offensive line according to pro football focus they we're good last year. It looks like from what i've seen so far in the preseason. James washington will fill in nicely. It's also an organization does done a great job replacing skill people. I think they make the playoffs. Let's go to the n._f._c. the packers last year. We're not a terrible team. When aaron rodgers played played. He just missed a lot of games. I think green bay wins the division. First of all erin last year was twenty five touchdowns two picks and that that was not a full season so you know extrapolate that out to thirty six touchdowns and five picks erin still elite number two they. They made defence a priority the last two years in the draft in free agency. They've added really good. Linebackers preston smith as darius smith smith <hes> they went to their secondary. They've drafted corners and acquired safety. The last couple of years i also like about green bay is i. I do think they have a new energy. A new young coach it puts aaron in a better place little more dynamic practices anytime. There's a new boss awesome new coach. Everybody's a little bit more in line. The apathy leaves the building. I think green bay makes the playoffs. I also think minnesota will be a playoff team this year again. They were eight seven and one and that's firing your offensive coordinator. Before the year was over. They had coaching chaos. I think minnesota's a really good football team kirk cousins now in his second year. He completed seventy percent of his throws. I still believe they have the best wide receiver tight tight end group in the n._f._l. Between digs between phelan inbetween kyle rudolph dalvin cook is a remarkable talent. He's missed seventeen games the last two years he's finally healthy. They also address their offensive line. That's their weakness. They drafted garrett bradbury. Who i think was the best center center in the college draft so i think they address their weakness. They added do a strength. I think they have an excellent staff and now kirk cousins who was struggled in big. Games has an offensive coordinator that i presume will last year and finally i think the atlanta falcons get in listen last year. Both both starting safeties suffered season ending injuries in september their pro bowl linebacker dion jones miss ten games. They addressed offensive line in the draft. That was a weakness. They've replaced steve. Sarkissian would dirt cutter offensive coordinator many in house see that as an upgrade you forget how good matt ryan was last year thirty five touchdown seven picks and i frankly as i've said i think new orleans takes an an emotional step back. Drew brees getting older so i see atlanta as a team and again pittsburgh minnesota in atlanta atlanta last year was seventy nine. These these were quality teams. Atlanta suffered injuries pittsburgh suffered drama and minnesota head coaching chaos plus aaron rodgers got <unk> hurt so i think the steelers the falcons the vikings and the packers are the four new teams that make the playoffs this upcoming season one more or heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like hey it's clay travis travis host of the outkick the coverage podcast join me every day as i give you the nation strongest opinions on the biggest stories in sports if you're looking for a sports podcasts at smart original original funny and authentic alka coverage of clay travis the perfect podcast for you i even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with clay play travis which features long form conversations with the biggest names in sports business and entertainment. Listen on apple podcast or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts alright alright without further ado a guy rely on in thursday's in this time slot from now. We started two three weeks ago until february <hes> <hes>. Let's go to greg cosell n._f._l. Films thirty years so what we've been doing in the preseason greg. We've been taking two divisions today. We'll take the n._f._c. north and the a._f._c. north so let's start greg with the n._f._c. north where aaron rodgers played a lot of games but never felt healthy for the first four to six weeks. I didn't think he looked healthy. At the end of the year. Here are are takeaways. Matla fluor system aaron rodgers talent. How do you think it works. It'll be interesting okay because metal donald floor system. You have to remember where metal floor came from colin. His background is kyle. Shanahan is sean mcveigh. It's a system where the quarterbacks predominantly under center it's focused. I on the play action pass game. It's very defined. <hes> and aaron rodgers has not been that kind of quarterback. Now we certainly capable of that you know but he's not been that kind of player. You know a friend of mine actually posted something on twitter. I thought was interesting. Let's say play is called and the designers china's play works perfectly and aaron rodgers does not throw the ball and it's third and five and then he runs for six yards. Is that a good play by aaron rodgers or a bad play by aaron rodgers you know and that's what you get a lot with aaron rodgers. The design of the play works the route is open. He doesn't turn it loose with instructor and then make something happen and that's going to be very interesting when you think about aaron rodgers in a matter of floor office the chicago bears have lots of things i highlight matt nagy the coach excellent defensive personnel. I think ryan pace is an emerging top general manager but you are as good when it comes to january very as your is your quarterback and the ability to protect your quarterback when you look at the bears mitch trubisky and matt nagy. I thought nagy looked frustrated with trubisky trubisky in the playoff game a limited thrower the football. Where do you fall in the bears and trubisky specifically well. I think if you just look at trubisky and isolate him. He's not a truly natural thrower. He's got a little bit of a hitch in his delivery. His arm slots little. Oh he tends to lift his plant foot off the ground before you releases the ball what that does is it locks your front leg and that impacts negatively both your velocity and your ball placement so he's not at a natural easy throw over the football so now you get into how you can help him. Their offense is very multiple from formation personnel standpoint. It's very diverse divers. They have a player like to rico and who can you use multiple ways. They move them all around. <hes> nagy did a really good job on third down with his route concepts and combinations. He helped trubisky a lot. I think when all said and done that's what you have to do with mitchell trubisky and then you get into the debate eight about can you do that in the playoffs <hes> against better defenses and teams that study you in in greater detail. Perhaps it's done in the regular season. I don't think we no the answer to that but mitchell trubisky will not all of a sudden become a smooth easy thrower. Let's move to minnesota one of the reasons. I think the bears pull-back back as i think green bay will be better defensively and frankly my eyes tell me minnesota's still a well coached excellent roster with explosive dynamic offensive pieces is on the perimeter kirk cousins. He is a competent seventy percent completion guy. I like minnesota. I like their roster. I don't breakdown film but when i watch them i think they're fairly complete with a slightly below average o. line. What say you yeah. I think ultimately what they're going to try to do now with with the change and offensive thinking <hes> is they're going to try to be a run first team to stretch run action have delved and cook be the number one focus focus on their offense and the foundation and have cousins work off that and ultimately. That's what her cousins is. I mean think back to cause could gary kubiak. Is there now think back back to houston with matt shop matchup put up four thousand plus yard seasons three or four of them had some really good years in houston. <hes> they ran the play action game. He was very efficient very effective. I think ultimately that's what kirk cousins is and i think that's the way they'll structure their offense. What do i do detroit and matt stafford stafford mechanically sometimes as hit and mess. He's a huge arm talent but this organization greg never feels like it can gain momentum. Oh mental sometimes in in the division can't get out of its own way doesn't ever feel like they. They never feel like i just keep keep waiting for the seven game winning streak. I keep waiting for momentum. What is the tape say on this team in this roster well. I think when matt patricia was trying to do is to change the focus focus. I think for years this team was built around matthew stafford in the idea that he's going to be the reason we win or lose every week and he's a tremendous arm talent. He's very smart but it's very hard to play that way in the league <hes> on a week to week basis. There's really only a few guys who you can do that with an in an ideal world. You don't really want to build your whole team that way so i think when matt patricia is trying to do is take the focus off of matthew stafford as the guy that that that were dependent on it so they built a really strong d. line. They're going to try to be much better on defense. I think they're going to try to feature the run game more with carry on johnson and i think they're not that they're going to make stafford a system puzzle piece but i think that they want him to be more of a part of a team as opposed to the entire team. Team and stafford is a very very talented guy and by the way he's he has not missed a game and you know remember when he was viewed as fragile. I don't think he's missed a game and and seven eight years yeah. Let's go to the a._f._c. north. We start with baltimore. What concerns me is. This is that i kind of feel like they're going to be contrary to the league very collegiate but they've lost some top defensive personnel. I don't think they're built for shootouts. What do you make of how they're trending and what they're we're trying to do with their offense while they're not going to try to play in shootouts. They're going to run the ball. My guess is their offense will look very similar to what greg roman who's now. They're offensive. Coordinator donator did when he was with colin kaepernick for those couple of years in san francisco including the super bowl year. They'll be very diverse. They're run game which will include the quarterback. They'll be judicious in how they throw it. They'll try to create big plays off run looks with run personnel and they'll try to control the pace and campo of the of the game so that they're they shortened the game by by using clock and their defense won't play as many snaps that's going to be their approach <hes> and and obviously when for a couple years there in san francisco it worked extremely well and i think they're going to try to replicate that and hope that lamar jackson continues news to improve through this process as a passer so last year they missed the playoffs but pittsburgh was nine six one their offensive line's got road graders as they always seem to find the next great <hes> wide receiver target devon bush look good in the preseason. They do get to the quarterback. Don't love their corners but they're very few cornerback back units. I love. I have pittsburgh winning the division. I think a._b._c.'s drama ten of big ben sixteen picks throw into a be either he. He's the kind of guy oh you gotta feed especially early in games they did and they did and sometimes force. I liked pittsburgh when i watched them. Play physicality upfront. I like him. I have their division yeah. The guy who who stood out to me and i know it's one game but i i look at movement more than anything not that the number of catches and the preseason i thought james washington and look a lot quicker and more explosive than he did a year ago and even at oklahoma state and i think he's an interesting player to watch <hes> because we know what juju smith schuster is. He's a really good player. I think you can line him up inside. You can line him outside. You can move him throughout the formation and he's equality n._f._l. Receiver you know i think they need that second guy and i thought james washington in the preseason game you know he. He looked to me like a guy who worked out in the off season. You know what i mean. Colin like he worked out probably eight better and he looked more explosive and i think he's critical to what they do this year all right go to cleveland. We know the things they're good at. They have very good defensive. Line personnel excellent perimeter players bakers obviously talented some dynamic stuff in the backfield. Here's my question that offensive line. It doesn't look great on tape safety back end. Do you see personnel wise. We know what they're going to be good at. Is there any part part of this team upfront offensive line. You don't like what concerns you with them. <hes> i mean they're certainly young but i mean oh line. I think is is somewhat of a question. Okay right out the the peers greg robinson who's been around the league quite a bit of a former number knbr to pick is going to be there left tackle. They're probably most consistent alignment will be the left guard joel but tonio but i think the rest of the o. Line is a little bit of a question mark at this the point in time <hes> we'll see how that plays out look. We know that baker mayfield concern move if need be but. I don't think he's really really that kind of quarterback overall. He's very efficient kind of player very compact. They've got really good weapons so it's a team with a ton of weapons and i think a quarterback quarterback who can at times compensate in camouflage offensive line weakness as the offensive line develops through it being a work in progress defensive personnel. They've got a lot of really good players. I mean myles garrett could be a star look at their d. Line myles garrett sheldon richardson olivier vernon even a gun. Giambi is a good player <hes> you know. I think that they're solid they're gonna play. Denzel war really solid corner. We'll see if greedy williams ends up starting so they we'll have to young corners can line up and play man coverage and compla- pressman which is what you want in this league whether they're ready to do that week in week out at a high level. Only time will tell but they have the prototype for what you wanted to corner position in today's n._f._l. Cincinnati feels like they're destined to be fourth and that's the vision like i did states one of the only guarantees i feel like in this league. I watched them in the preseason. I don't see i don't see the dynamic quarterback i don't. I don't know i kind of feel like they're in a rut. <hes> we'll see i mean look. They hired that taylor who came from sean mcvay so you're going to get a lot of that offensive. Look <hes> now you could say what you want jared goff under sean mcveigh very efficient player this it was a system based goff was somewhat programmed. There's nothing wrong with that. That's not a negative term tom. I think andy dalton can fall into that category. You know dogs taking a bad rap. You know there were a number of years ago before he got hurt. He may have been the league m._v._p. <hes> i think he fits this kind of approach. I think joe mixing certainly fits. There's run stretch run game and it wouldn't surprise me if mixing became a big big time employer in the context of this offense. Mixing is a big time player that i i miss spoke he. He is a very dynamic power running back again very good receiver by the way you saw when you watch a ton of college football you know what they did with him and oklahoma. I mean he lined up all over the formation. He's a terrific receiver and in that in fact taylor will use him that way greg cosell n._f._l. Films great talking to you. Thanks gone be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern. They're not a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio affects one and the iheartradio aso this morning of the season three weeks away joy and so this morning warning the staff came in and we were they were thrown around. We were just kind of preparing for stuff and our show about an hour in and where the the stats like you know there were thrown me. Scenarios is out for the n._f._l. Season you know what i'd rather see this. I rather see that and a lot of times. I think the audience believes i wanna be right. I don't get paid to be right. If i was right all the time. The show would be boring. Sometimes i'm catastrophically wrong. It's whack a mole you come in. You know beat me up for it and that's not a terrible terrible thing. I i don't have any insecurity based on. I missed on a pick. <hes> what i am worried about is. I'm boring and not interesting so i root for interesting so the staff created a game today. It's called a would you rather and they're going to give me options on things in the n._f._l. And how i would rather they turn <music> out you ready to go john joy whoever's doing joy. You're doing it all right here. Would you rather the browns go twelve and four or foreign twelve this season. It feels like it needs music john. I would rather go twelve and four yeah. I mean bottom line is if they go four and twelve well that means they start the season play one in five. They're no longer. We're not talking about him. I wanna talk about baker mayfield no b._j. You and i love topics like this. People think i don't like baker. What do you think i talk about him. He's interesting. He's captivating. The browns going forward twelve by week five. I'd be right the by the way i wouldn't be right. 'cause i'm not predicting foreign today. I'm predicting they battled for a playoff spot at nine and seven there's no value them going four and twelve for me along long and you'd be on not interested in so i'd rather be closer to write and interesting than four and twelve and by week seven. We're done talking about it. I don't want them to go for and twelve either. Although i will be relentless browns fans on twitter if they do would you rather see arron rogers win m._v._p. Or matt leflore get fired selfishly officially. I'd rather aaron when m._v._p. Which i predict he's going to have an m._v._p. Level season because i work for fox fox has the n._f._c. when the packers are good. It is great for our business outside of the dallas cowboys green bay pittsburgh are the biggest brands in the n._f._l. Let's be honest when aaron's really plan well. He's great television period. I'd like good television aaron hobbling around in third behind the bears and biking if you really want trubisky to win the division. That's what i want my playoff game on fox spoiler alert. We want everyone every quarterback to be good. It's better that way speaking of quarterbacks would you rather the cowboys pay back forty million a year ear or see doc leave and free agency. I'd rather see directly been free agency because i think it would be fascinating to see who bids on him. Listen player mobility in the n._b._a. V._a. is really interesting. I mean you could argue. It's way more interesting than regular season yeah so if back was available he'd be a free agent and he'd he'd be out there forbidding. Wouldn't that be a little bit what we love about the n._b._a. Quarterbacks are almost never on the market. Peyton manning was on the market for an hour. Kirk cousins was to have a dallas cowboy quarterback. Who's one playoff games on the market would be if he signed for forty million. We know the end result. They can't pay everybody right and they're just kind of good not special so if he if he hit the market i'd love it. It would be one of the craziest bidding wars in n._f._l. History there's no there's no question that very rarely do quarterbacks at the hit hit. The market don't right so. Would you rather see rather. Have tom brady retire after the season or see him play for another team or i'd rather other acted this season. I rather see him retire. I cannot i never want to see tom brady and the cincinnati bengal uniform i just can't i can't do it. I can't see derrick jeeter wearing an oakland a's uniform or kobe bryant wearing charlotte hornets uniform listen man well. You know i love brady but one more great year and then that's it i'd be i think he regretted ten years later. He'd see that picture in bengal uniform and you'd be like or a dolphin uniform for that for that one. Would you rather have cam newton. The lead the panthers to the play offs or this becomes last season and carolina. I'd rather it becomes last season because i'm tired of having this argument that everybody in carolina thinks he's great and the rest of us right right minded people saying he's talented but wildly inconsistent. I feel like i've done this topic too. Many times cam's not great. He's super talented but you can't have a career without back to back winning seasons when you've been surrounded by pro bowl offensive lineman greg olsen back good coach debility good defenses good defensive line josh norman am. I am tired arguing how great he is. I'd rather <hes> it. You know it's over. He plays it's done. They move off him by the way if he hit the open in market. That would be interesting if kennedy open you can't cam can sell tickets. You can't tell me cam in the open. Market wouldn't be more interesting than a nine seven carolina carolina team going to philadelphia to open the playoffs and get smoked yeah that would be would you rather see cuyler murray win rookie of the year or see. The cardinals draft a quarterback in the first round for the third straight year. Oh that's an easy one. We want to see him be great. That's the easiest one yet yeah. I want him to be great listen. You and i always say this. We're rooting rooting for all the college quarterbacks to come in and good cleveland went from unwatchable must see tv right the jets. This year will be really interesting and of arizona hits. I'd rather everyone be competitive and let's see the best of the best is a bad rap. Duds bad quarterback play hurts my eyes. Yes hey it's r._j. Bell post of straight straight out of vegas podcast joining each and every day along with the vegas pros who know as we give you the vegas perspective on the biggest sports stories of the day sports. It's batters listen for the money. Sports fans listen to no more than their bodies. We deliver the vegas truth to you and we do it every single day. That's my personal promise. I listened to straight outta vegas with r._j. Bow on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 637: Players Wanna Play

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 637: Players Wanna Play

"Keep yourself in the loop of everything football on the golden state media concept's football podcast latest news on and off the field be at College Football Ten sec twelve twelve ACC to the NFL. With got you covered listen to the golden state media concepts football podcast. Thank you for tuning into the GMC football podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network I'm your host Kendrick. My goodness the sports world is on fire One day is seems like there's going to be no college football and then the next day. There is going a college football and then the next day it's well, we're fifty fifty and the big ten is canceling their season and then they're coming back and they're saying, no, no no, we're GONNA postponement and you've got other college canceling their season and other colleges are postponing in the SEC is saying We're we're going to have a season. There's no way we're not, and we got coaches coming out and speaking on this everyone's got an opinion on it. Of course, I do have an opinion on it I do want to get into that I. don't WanNa really have any small talk or anything like that I wanna go ahead and get into this really quickly. So we got all topics. To talk about usually per segment I, only do one topic I am in the split my first segment into two different topics because I do talk about both these things, and of course, I just there's a Lotta my mind. Basically, there's a lot of my mind I WANNA get into college football being steak and I WANNA. Get into Russell Wilson because been getting a lot of pub this off season more than I ever seen him get and I have a prediction for this coming season Cam Newton got disrespected in a seat in a list that CBS did they ranked the best players by Jersey number and Cam Newton was not on this list and you won't believe who they actually put. At his list who has on this list? Who has this number ESPN they every year do a worst to first list. They got it wrong terribly last year they got it wrong terribly this year at least I believe they did, and then in the spirit voice teams, I am going to predict the top ten worst teams in the NFL for this coming season. anyways. So I. WanNa tell you guys a little bit about my concerns when it comes to Kobe as it pertains to me. So growing up. I had a I ended up getting the MONJA. And not only did I get in the Monja as a small child I believe a baby I had RSV which is a respiratory infection. So you could almost say. With common sense that I am more at risk of covid especially on the side of Kobe actually impacting me hard because my lungs have had the deal with quite a lot right RSV and the Monja is nothing to sneeze at people die from pneumonia and I had the battle when I was like three four years old I was a little kid and I was able to beat it. But I remember how sick I was I felt awful. I. I had a lot of trouble at times breathing I have a lot of flu within my lungs. I was coughing up stuff all the time. and. So with covid nineteen being what it is I'm not GonNa lie to you guys when I say that it is concerning to me. It is very concerning to me I do not want to get it. Because I don't want I don't want to tempt fate, right? Even I. Haven't been sick in about two years two and a half years I haven't caught anything. I. I I would like to believe that my immune system has just gone stronger a because I grew up also with a weak immune system you basically. Book me in every single year to get sick called season flu season whatever it was you could basically book it. I was going to get sick. I haven't been sick in about two and a half years. Even. So I don't want to just go to a beach i. don't WanNa. Just go to a bar I just WanNa go to the mall I don't want to do these things because I just don't WanNa tempt fate. There are people out there who have followed all the protocols and they've still gotten sick there are. There's there's people who've said they haven't left their home. and. Yet, they've still gotten it. They feel it gets literally airborne in their house. I just don't want to risk it. Whenever I go to a store whenever I go anywhere even before masks were mandated, I wore a mask and I stayed away from people and I I did my best I even did my best to takes smaller breaths trying to not is breathing a whole bunch of air. I. Did my best to aim away from people? I just don't want to get sick those are my concerns right my family and I we recently went to the beach. And we went to the beach because it's been really really warm. We've been cooped up inside a essentially since the end of March and we just wanted to get out. We wanted to go have some family time knocking the. I was able. To do it really wasn't sure I wanted to do it but I ended up going out with my family and we went to the beach and there were you'll quite a bit of people there but people were spread out they were trying to be away from from each other. But also there were a lot of people who didn't have masks on and of course some we're GONNA say I'll wear at the beach. We're not in the store whatever right and I guess that's fine. I did bring my mask and I also sat back as far away from people as possible we tried to be away from everyone. Those are my concerns. I do not want to tempt fate. There's certain risks. I just I don't want to make some times but with that being said I have hung out with friends during Kovin. I've been over to a friend's house a couple of times. I've gone on a couple of dates. So my encounters with people have been when I'm with just one other person I don't really do these big groups, beaches, malls, grocery stores I hate being around big groups of people right now 'cause I 'cause I'm afraid that I could get Cohen and even though I'm younger I just feel like I'm more at risk because of what I've already had to deal with in my life. When I've hung out with these people I don't just go over and hang out I. Ask them a multitude, the questions I'm like. When. Have you been wearing your mask? Have you been washing your hands? Have you been around a lot of big groups of people? When's the last time you went out? and. Then they tell me they went out like five days ago or a week ago I asked him what Mike Do you feel sick do you feel any of these things and I have literally said contact me in like a week or two and let me know how you feel and maybe we hang out that's how I've been and you can say I'm being extra. Bounded I'm just being cautious for myself because I want to live for a long time and and have a good time right? I don't want to I. Want to get this thing even if I to recover I, do not want to be one of the people who all of a sudden has heart issues and liver issues and all these issues because whether it's the my organs. But I have gone out and I have hung out with people. One person at a time. Let me just I've gone and hang out with individual persons. All right. I've had a friend over at my place. And I when I did those things I understood what the risk was. They told me that you know they've been social distancing. They've been keeping themselves clean David. Making sure they don't touch their face even though they tell me these things i. know there is the possibility that just who knows something happens. but I know the risk going into it I a conscious decision to go and hang out with my friends to watch some movies. I made a conscious decision to go on a date. I made a conscious decision to do those things because they were things I wanted to do because even though things are different right now I do I'm trying to return to some form of normalcy in my life. Right I'm an adult. These are just these are the decisions I felt like making. So I say that to say this. There's been a Hashtag going around on twitter Hashtag we want to play and it's been tweeted out by like every single college athlete ever Okay Not Really. But Trevor Lawrence Justin fields a law of college football players have been taking the twitter with this Hashtag. And they're basically saying we understand the risks of Kovin. We know what this can do the people. And we see we've seen the reports. We see the studies we are less susceptible to get it in. Even if we do get it, it is less likely that it is going to affect US seriously the way it has affected other people. Right. Now, of course there is there is always what could happen in the after effects of it. It has been shown to do damage people's hearts into livers into other organs right there are these risks but for the athletes it has happened to them and less their bodies are just conditioned better. They're stronger they take better care of themselves than your average day person because they have to. So they understand their positions while they could get it. They. Feel like they would be better off. Back at the facilities playing were, they would have access to Cova, testing. They would be in some form of a bubble they be training. They'd be staying in shape in. Let's be honest and I think Lawrence he did touch on this. A lot of these guys would be in a better situations on campus than they would be even at their own homes. Right, we know that sports is an escape real out of people right we know that sports is an out for a lot of these guys together better life. There are multiple stories about the backgrounds of these guys does Bryant did not come from a great background Shannon Sharpe did not come from a great background hall of fame. A lot of these guys did not come from great backgrounds very few people are Andrew. Luck. Who grew up in a in a wealthy family very few people are steph curry who grew up in a wealthy family Josh Rosen to a lesser extent because as a lesser extent because he's a third stringer in Miami and at some point time I really do WanNa talk about Josh Rosen because of the story of him in the NFL I think is just so sad we haven't been able to see what this dude can really do because he's just not getting the opportunity to but nonetheless rich family. In the NFL Right, those are not your those are not your typical stories in the NFL. Most of these guys come from like middle class to lower class backgrounds, impoverished backgrounds living with friends living with with grandma's nick. No Fan whatever some people know family even. And football was their escape. Some of these guys they would be better off being on these campuses where they have a room, they'd have a roof over their head they would have food. They would have access to medical. Cova testing training they'd be with the boys. Now, of course, there is still an aspect of things that they need to take care of I. I don't know if they'd be allowed to leave the campus I've heard from these candidates say that they would have a bubble there on each of these campuses individually I get that Mike question would be are they allowed to leave the campus because if they are. There is the aspect that was fall on them of where your mask social distance can you do that and even though these guys are young adults. There is still A. Young immature and this, and there it is in there somewhere. Would they always remember to social distance whether some point they get carried away in what they forget a mask there is the possibility for that. But the players are saying that they understand the risks and they want they're willing to accept it. Now I get it there's a whole liability issue and the NCAA does not WanNa get sued and these colleges do not WanNa get sued and it all comes down to money. Macomb sign a waiver I. Don't know just do something. I saw, Joe Burrow. He took I. Want to get off this topic but Joe Burrow he took to twitter and I do believe actually do have the tweet saved and everything Joe Burrow he he he said I feel for all college athletes right now I hope their voices are heard by the decision makers if this happened a year ago, I may be looking for a job right now. Joe Borough last year was his first year starting his first and only year really being starter. and. He took off and had the greatest season by a college quarterback ever when it comes to the opponents, he faced the numbers he pulled up his efficiency everything and he became the number one pick. If this had happened a year ago, there would have gone his college eligibility and he probably be looking for a job. Does a radio. He'd be an average Joe Joe Borough would be an average, Joe A right. But no, he's Joe flipping burrow because he got to play. For a lot of these guys, there are other people and Joe Borough situation where this is their first year starting in this could be their last year of eligibility, and if this season gets canceled for them the it just goes up in smoke and they will be forced to go and get an average job, and of course, sometimes that's Just, the break sometimes that's just life life is not always fair but the players say they WANNA play. Let them play figure out the liability issue later just as long just supply them with Cova. Testing. And I mean Damn. They WANNA play. Let them play. Only. They'll really quick. Okay. So when I say a finger at the thing later I don't mean like put this off to the end of the see I'm not trying to say it's not important because it is the way that they look at it at least I'm assuming they look at it is since they don't pay these guys. They're kind of under the care of these universities and of the NC Aa A., and obviously if anything was to happen to them under these colleges watches and under the NCAA play, then they're going to be held accountable. So I guess and obvious fix would be the just simply pay them right? The obvious fix will be the pay them. If they don't WanNa do that though I am just saying man just make them sign a basic waiver that says you're playing this season and you can't hold us liable for if you get Kobe I don't know I mean that's just what I would think would be the best thing but you got you got the these these conferences canceling their fall schedules. Ohio state you know crushed it's just it's a it's a really really messy situation. You know. And I. Think we can really do is just kind of hope for the best. But anyways. So when comes to the MVP a big part of winning the MVP is the narrative not only your individual success in not only your team's success it's about what's new It's about what is the new hot story? What's the feel good story what can people really wrap their arms around? Tom Brady couple years ago. Won The MVP over Carson Wentz Carson. wentz. Got Her. He was the front runner for the MVP they ended up giving it to Brady. Not only 'cause when Scott hurt. But because the story of Brady Oh the Patriots look at how dominant they they they've been Tom Brady he's forty years old and they gave him the MVP even though I don't believe he deserved it on the NBA side of things Russell Westbrook he won the MVP a couple of seasons ago because he averaged a triple double in carried. Okay. See into the playoffs offs. The next two seasons, he averaged a triple double again. And he never got close to even sniffing the MVP because the narrative had died down. It was no longer special. It was no longer something that everyone can just wrap their arms around as incredible feat. With the NFL this coming season I look at I look at. The league I look at the situation everyone's in and I'm trying to figure out what is the new story whether the story what have people been wrapping their arms around? What is something that has been long overdue and I honestly think this could be the year that Russell Wilson finally wins the MVP. They have I think the thirteenth ranked schedule. What's tied for thirteenth ranked schedule in the League. Last year Seattle was eleven and five they could have been twelve and four. I think they won. I think they went ten to last year in one score games, which is usually a stat that flips the next year that's usually not consistent but Russell Wilson since he entered the League has one, thirty, nine, one score games. It's not coincidence that Russell Wilson wins. These things is because he is one of the best he is either the second or first best quarterback in the league. Depends on if you just like his experience over mahomes and Russell wasn't just knows how to get it done. Let Russ? Cook is the Hashtag on twitter that people are always that analytic skyser tweeting that pro. Football. Focus Tweets, warren sharp all the guys who were super into the analytics football tweet outlet Russ. Cook. That is the Hashtag. I think this is the season that Russ cooks. This could be the season that Russell Wilson does win the MVP no am I predicting him to win it? No because he hasn't even gotten a single MVP vote, which is ridiculous. Derek Carr has gotten an MVP vote before Russell Wilson Demarco Murray has got an in Vivo before Russell Wilson Ezekiel Elliott. Has Gone an MVP vote before Russell Wilson that is how ridiculous it is the was received is immense, but this off season is the most pub. Russell Wilson get in a long time. He was ranked number two on the NFL's top one, hundred players list. I think that actually does matter because he had never cracked the top ten before his highest ranking ever had been eleven and last year he was twenty five and there were not twenty four players better than Russell Wilson. you look NFL DOT com they ranked the thirty top thirty players aged thirty and above Russell Wilson was number one. I looked at Seattle schedule, and while I do know they like to make games tougher I think Seattle will finish once more in the double digits I think there's a chance they start the season either five and one or six. No. and. Then you know they, they get some tough games after that. But Russell Wilson is a Gamer and they've got good pieces on offense that Russell wasn't as good chemistry with obviously he knows Pete. Carroll they have a good back and solid linebacking core on the Defense Defensive Line I'm concerned about because it's ranked thirty second in the League. The offensive line still isn't that great but it's interesting. They've got some new pieces that I think you're gonNA fit in nicely. But I. Really. Do think this can find the year that Russell Wilson does at least receive at the bare minimum a MVP vote. Right. I don't know if they'd WANNA give it to Patrick Mahomes or not I. Don't know if they want to give it to Lamar Jackson again, if he has the same kind of season in have the same kind of record I'm honestly not sure the writers are going to want to give it to them because they might themselves consider what happened last year in the playoffs and the fact that Lamar Jackson zone to I don't know if they'll wanNA give it to him even though I think there's a real chance that they repeat the same kind of success and what the be as cool of a story. If Lamar Jackson Oh dominated the league again and he he won the MVP. They want Patrick Mahomes, right. Do they want to wrap their armor Well, we've already seen that. Russell Wilson is a lovable guy. He always says the right thing he's got a beautiful family beautiful children. He has everyone if any right thinking person knows he has been disrespected for years in the NFL I really think this could be that this is the story people could wrap their arms around. This is the year Russell Wilson. Finally got the respect he deserved he got in the offseason it translated into the NFL season and he won the MVP. I think this could finally be the year. and. I'm really really looking forward to it I. Hope. That he is able to at least get though if he doesn't I, I'm going to riot. That's just me personally though I'm in a riot. About you but I, I will be protesting in the streets of Seattle. If Russell Wilson doesn't get an MVP Bo this year assuming the seahawks are good right if they're four and twelve in assisted the buckle okay. Don't give it to them but if there again like eleven twelve win team Why not? His stats are going to be good. His are they always look good I just give it to Russell why not just give it to Russell at least give him a single vote. ANYWAYS COMING UP NEXT Cam. Newton has once again been disrespected this time it was Bhai CBS with. With, illicit list that they came out ranking the best players by Jersey number I'm GonNa get into that coming up next. Listen. 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If they understand the risks, they just want Cova testing just make sure you're taking care of these kids and as long as they want to play what is there to talk about what is the concern? Quit fearing liability quit fearing that stuff if they want to play they want to play. All right they understand the risks. It's not like you're tricking them into anything trevor. Lawrence doesn't feel to ever. If they say they WANNA play man lemon play. anyways. So every single year, there's these lists that come out right around the same time every single year these lists will come out usually by the same network CBS does this thing where they ranked the best players in the NFL based on Jersey number so they basically go one, two, three, four, five, and so on and so forth and then whatever player wears number one, number two, number, three they look at all the players in the league that wear that number, and then they take over the best of the bunch and that is the best player with that number. So of course, at number one, a lot of people would. Think you would say Cam Newton for for the longest time. It has been Cam Newton because he can run, he can throw it. He's a big strong athlete. He's he is one of the ultimate dual threat quarterback, Michael Vick has gone on record saying that he wishes he had Cam Newton size to go along with the speed that he already had right because Michael Vick was a much smaller frame guy the hits he took her them a lot worse Cam Newton's a big dude. He can absorb more punishment now while it has been kind of to his detriment obviously as career has gone on I'm sure he regrets taking some of those hits. The. The point is that he is still taking many shots that Michael Vick. Really. Probably, his body wouldn't hold up to write. Let's just put it that way but. You're expecting to see at number one for me. Personally I was expecting to see at number one. Cam. Newton. To my surprise, it wasn't Cam? Newton they had cuyler me. As the best player in the NFL to wear number one. In a quote underneath it on some of these, they put quotes on Disney a kind of the justify why they put the player here or who was also in the running for it here was there quote they said. This might still be owned by Cam Newton but let's not kid ourselves in twenty twenty. Murray is the better and more exciting QB. Exciting I don't. I don't want exciting. I WanNa did who can play. I don't know if I think our Murray is more exciting. Necessarily I still when I watched. Cam Newton play. My eyes are still glued to the TV I love watching him Newton play I. Think it's fascinating. and as for the better quarterback. What are we judging better on? because. WE'RE GONNA go off of last year if we're going to strictly off of this last year, then sure keiler is better than Cam. Newton Cam Newton played like two games got her was dealing with an injury already and he missed the whole rest of the season. So we're going to go based off of that. Then oh KCBS Kylo Murray is better than Cam Newton. Here was Kyle Mary's Rookie Season So he threw thirty seven, hundred yards had five, hundred, forty rushing twenty four total touchdowns to fourteen turnovers. Sixty four point four, percent completion percent six point, nine yards per attempt his pro football focus rank was twenty-ninth he had a a grade of sixty four. So I mean by his great he had like he was like a D and His twenty nine, th rank. That puts him almost at the very bottom. Of all qualified coy of the thirty two starters he was better than three of them. He had a better rushing grade then passing grade. So, is he a running back disguises a quarterback? No I'm not gonNA go that far. But just I, mean, he had a better rushing grade than than throwing grade. That's usually not what you want your quarterback to half right. You want your quarterback to throw then runner and that was not the case for Mary last year. Now, Kayla Marie also went some other false on top of him being mobile, which is great for him and it's great to fit today's game. He also ran himself into a lot the pressures his offensive line is not good. I did mark that you know they lost their starting right tackle. He opted out of the season and while the while he's an older tackle, he's still showing the very good. They're going to miss that they really to have it last year. But Kinda Murray I. Think other than the Shawn Watson he ran himself into the most pressures in sacks. So Murray, he still needs to kind of learn how to really function around the pocket, but that was his rookie year. Cam Newton obviously didn't really get to play last year. He played two games good in either I. Even I don't even remember if he finished the second game is no. His numbers were not good through two games. He had like no touchdowns in a pick again, like five hundred yards it wasn't good. He his shoulder was messed up his foot was messed up. He had a whole bunch of issues that just kind of went untreated or misdiagnosed, and now he's finally getting back to feeling right? Cam Newton the last time he was even remotely healthy. Let's just go back to his two thousand, eighteen season. That season he played fourteen games because of that season he also got knocked out by injury but that season he played fourteen games here were his numbers through fourteen games as compared to Kyle sixteen his rookie year. Thirty four hundred yards passing five hundred yards rushing twenty eight total touchdowns thirteen turnovers sixty seven point five percent completion percentage seven point, two yards per attempt his pro football focus rank was twenty third in the League. And he had a grade of seventy one. Does that really sound like a worse quarterback and let's not forget when Cam Newton started that season through the first what was it through the first like eight games of the season? What were the panthers six into like second in their division? They were rolling Cam Newton was having a career year. He was one of the top graded quarterbacks the NFL I think it was a top ten quarterback through that point in the season and then his shoulder got hurt he became noticeable how different he was playing in his grade take a hit his production took a hit. But he was having a career season that year. Right, he was on pace to have I. Think the best year he had had since his twenty fifteen campaign which he won the MVP. Let's not do this recency bias. Okay. Once onto this reasons he buys thing Cam Newton. I still think is better than cuyler Murray I would still probably take cam. Newton if I had to pick for like a season I'd probably say Cam Newton now for the long run, I, will probably go with Cuyler 'cause he's younger has less of an injury history. I'd probably go ahead and go with tyler but for one season, if I haven't established team and I'm looking for like who's that piece that can put us over the top if I'm like all the weapons we are got protection we've seen the quarterback I will take Cam Newton before I take our Murray but that's just me. I'm sure there's some culinary fans out there who love him. And they would have no problem taking him over Cam. It might just come down to the personal flavor. Right? Cam Newton has rubbed a lot of people wrong color Murray so far has seemed to you know he he's a really nice kid a lot of people like Calamari. Without, even being said though Cam Newton I think this season this might not be the season to to prove that point though I think that this season could kinda prove what I'm saying right now to be moot because I would not be surprised if cower Murray has a better season than Cam Newton especially statistically. You just look at the weapons that customer has on top of having Larry Fitzgerald already and having already had a Christian Kerr Kuzin emerging receiver and having Kenyan Drake. They all and offensive in a head coach offensive coordinator that is tailored to what he likes to do and does really really well. He also now has the Andre Hopkins who they are working on a contract extension for. So he is going to be there with cuyler for probably until the end of the Andre Hopkins career. So, Colin Murray has Kenyan drake who really fit their system last year he'd be out David Johnson who at least at one point in time was looked at as a top three back in the NFL beat him out. He fits the system. Great. They've got two of the most sure handed receivers in the NFL and an NFL history with the Andre. Hopkins in Larry Fitzgerald Christian, Kirk Who's an emerging player I don't exactly remember who they haven't tight end. But nonetheless, they're receiving core is outstanding and you can say is probably at least top half of the league receiving core. Cam. Newton. On the other hand. What does he have? Julia Delman who led the League drops last year who was all banged up now of course, this year says he's he's feeling much better feels like himself and he's looking to prove stuff Muhammad's knew who was banged up last year but it's kind of a lot like Julian element just probably even slower. Oh Harry. Didn't do anything last year looked. Like, he could really play. He looked slow couldn't get any separation will see what he does here too. Sometimes it takes it takes some time for a rookie to to get it and I don't think it helped that you then look at like what Aj Brown in d. came metcalf in Terry maclaurin did they were all outstanding their rookie years? So that doesn't Really bode well for Harry Dairy Slayton with the with the with the giants was outstanding. So it doesn't really bode well, I will give Cheol Harry the chance though let's see what he does. A Jacoby Myers was I think at one point, the highest graded receiver in the preseason last year, and then he did nothing his whole rookie year does he didn't do anything. At tight end I have no clue who their tight end is. I've seen that they're thinking about maybe possibly bringing in Delaney Walker I think at this point anything upgrade in its Delaney Walker is healthy and even remotely what he was back in. Twenty Fourteen Twenty fifteen twenty sixteen than he is one of the top ten tight end in the league can run can catch her handed is fast like he could still be really good and so I think he and Cam Newton would be great to work with at running back they brought in Lamar Miller he missed all of last year with a tornado fell and other than him. It's James Y rex burkhead Sony, Michelle who got put in the Doghouse I think they drafted the running back last year Damian Harris. I might be in the first name wrong but but Harris who kinda got he got a register rookie year basically. So I don't really know their offensive line isn't as good as it was they lost marcus cannon. Is Stacked Against Cam Newton this year. So after this season when I'm saying right now could look really stupid. There's a lot of people who could say column Marie, his numbers were exponentially better than Cam Newton because he has guys who can trust the field who know how to create separation, who are all pro level receivers what does cam? Newton. I get that my whole thing with Cam Newton his the expectations for Cam Newton this year I really do feel should be just. In the system don't cause any. Disruptions look competent. Y You know keep the Patriots looking competitive be your best. You know, put your best foot forward the A soldier on the field, and if all goes well I think Cam Newton will get a shot somewhere else i. don't know if I would see him necessarily lasting in New England because of the weapons that they have their Cam Newton himself my the kind of weapons. He has their next season and go I don't know if I. WANNA. To come back to this I hear God. Yeah I don't I don't know maybe the Patriots with think about franchise tagging him I really have no clue. But I do not think this year to judge Cam Newton based off of statistics. Now, I'm not one of these people also who over blows. Some of Cam Newton's missteps end. He's had. He's had some right. He had the comments made to a female reporter when she asked about I think it was Devin funchess and asked Cam what he thought about his route running because he looked like he was running more aggressively with his route or something like that and camp thought it was funny and he said something like it's just interesting the hero female talk about routes that wasn't that wasn't a great. A great comment he should've kept that to himself. That was something maybe you just think to yourself and you don't say out. Loud. Obviously has some comedy made on race one day he says, he doesn't understand how one eighth of an inch can be can cost so much drama or can can can cause a so much fear or for people, and then the next day he says, I'm a black man in America and that scares some people you know he he's not sure he he was afraid of what to say obviously at the Super Bowl, he walks out of his press conference. Call him a sore loser I. Show me a good loser who likes to lose. He lost he was they almost had an undefeated season that got ended and then you're in the super bowl against a quarterback peyton manning who could barely throw the football anymore Enya lost because Denver's defense was just insane. In Cam Newton to this day probably still beats himself up for not jumping on the fumble. I'm not going to hold that against him. Cam Newton's time Carolina. He was very charitable. He was a rape person in the community. You know what? This last year he was a Walter, the panthers nominee for Walter Payton Man of the year, which is a prestigious award and many people believe is the most important award really at the NFL ceremonies and everything. Cam Newton is not some bad guy. Does he go out there on the field when things are going great does he like to boast in? Does he like to you know flaw and do a dance and everything? Yes, he does. But there's a lot of the players who liked to do that when you train as hard as these players due to be at. The Best of their game every single week to play man you get to celebrate, you get to go out there do a coordinated celebration. You get to do a dance. Now I am all about backing it up and making sure you keep that same energy but I'm not one of these people who believe that because the players celebrates that there are some bad guy. That has never been me. I've never thought that I am I want these players have personality in the speak. Now I want them to speak eloquently and I want them to know what they're talking about. But I'm not going to hold that against Cam. I won't hold how we handle this press conference against him none of that but man he gets. So people are so hard on Cam Newton they are so hard on him. And I'm. Not, GonNa get into some of the reasons as to why I think some people are hard on Cam Newton and other people. But what I will say is this this season I don't think people should be expecting the Patriots to go to the play offs I. Don't think people should expect the Patriots to be the worst team in the league I think people should expect from the Patriots is for them to be competitive. I think people should expect them to look functional. And I think that s specifically for Cam, what you hope for Cam is that he is a good soldier for the most part basically keeps his mouth shut keeps his name out of the headlines. The only thing that should be making the headlines is his play and. Hopefully it's for good reasons hopefully, his players good. The Patriots can just be competitive I. think that's I even said that before the Patriots started losing all the players they did to opt out I was saying the biggest thing for me is I just WanNa, see look competitive if this team looks garbage that doesn't look good for Cam or even for Bill Belichick I think it looks worse for Bill Belichick. But. See. CBS. Cuyler Murray is not the best player in the League to wear number one. I still think it's Cam Newton and I gave you guys the two seasons. Yes. Did technically between the two seasons they cam Newton have less passing yards rushing yards. Yes. He did also played two fewer games but in those two fewer games, I mean the US look at the even look at the completion percentage between two. Cowan, Murray, was a was a sixty four cam. Newton was a sixty seven yards per attempt six, point nine the seven point to their grades was twenty three to twenty nine, their actual grade overall with seventy one to sixty four cam had more had more touchdowns regains he had less turnovers and fewer games just. Stop It. Let's stop with this reasons he biased and more importantly can we stop being so hard on Cam Newton. I mean my God. He seems focused he seems ready to bring it this year he said he is tired of the disrespect. Now, Derek Carr if anyone should be tired of the disrespected Cam Newton. I believe anyone should be tired of it. It should be Cam Newton because he has always been treated like he is worse than he really is. Both both on the field and off the field he's been treated like he's a worse player. Then he really is and a worse person than he really is, and for CBS to ranked Cuyler Murray ahead of him because he's more exciting. Is. Ridiculous and it doesn't make any sense to me and I will just not subscribe to that philosophy of thinking again I think Mary this season, he could put up better numbers I. think he's in a better position to pull it better numbers record wise I don't know about that. Maybe the Patriots will still be able to finish with a record because it's bill bell check and they have a better defense still Dan. Than the cardinals do but. I'm not with that Cam Newton to me is better than culinary and I. I'm excited to see I. Am more excited to watch the Patriots this coming season than I am the cardinals, but that's just me. anyways coming up, next. ESPN data the worst to first list I wanNA, talk about that because I do not agree with you. They picked for the second straight year to be the the over the top team to possibly go from worst to first and stay tuned my final topic of the day. In the spirit of worst teams I am going to predict who the top ten worst teams will be for this coming season that later stay tune. Check out the show that's built on the from UFC too extreme cage fighting. They got the fights covered check out GSM see 'em a podcast get the latest news on past or upcoming fights join us as we talked to in about some of the biggest names in the. Past present and future when it's the fight game, there's just one show to check out. GMC PODCAST DOT. com. backslash Emmy Dash podcast don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. GS. MC. PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO. Welcome back to the GMC football podcast. Last segment talked about disrespect aim that Cam Newton I just don't. I just don't understand it. I've people are burying Cam Newton some of it is for is on the field stuff. Some of the off-field stuff I I don't quite get it. I think Cam Newton a still the best player in the lead to. Wear Number One I. Don't think there's anything to really back up the column Murray is better than him. That is just my opinion. Again, if I wanted to go forward with a franchise I, probably say cuyler 'cause he's younger has less injuries but right now if I had the team ready to make a run cuyler or or Cam I will take him. But. anyways. So ESPN did a worst to first list. They do this every single year they predict the team that they think is going to go from worst to first last year they predicted the Lions. The lions went ahead and they stayed worse. this year they have once again picked the lions. Again, I'm GonNa need someone to tell me what exactly it is that they see staffer people they keep Guiquan. Over his starts last year in the fact that he was a top ten quarterback I think he might have even been top six when it came to his pro football focus grade is Qbr and everything they were three, four and one. With Matt Stafford performing out of his mind they were three four in the one. What was I mean whether we whether we flipped over right three or four, hundred one oh, how great does Matt? How great did the Lions Look? Well, then he got her and they'll, of course, lion season fell apart then the trading Darius slay. Came Out in excoriated Matt Patricia as a head coach and said that he does not like him. He has no respect for him. He hasn't had any respect in that locker room and the shows record with lions is nine nineteen one. The only area of the lions that you can realistically say have gone better is that their defense is better tackling under in his first year as the head coach the lions went from one of the worst teams in the NFL tackling to like top five. If not top five, it was top ten they were significantly better. So mean you can say that they've gotten better in that area, but they're not winning any more. There's people who still think they should have fired their last head coach Bob Quinn. He was still still think they should've fired him. They don't but you know a lot of teams out there. They love the bill belichick tree even though now I think at this point it's Kinda died down. That's loss of its mystique because they just don't seem to be working but they ended up signing Matt Patricia so far it doesn't look like it's going good and I. Can honestly see them firing him after this year. But once again, ESPN has picked the lions to be to go from first of all let me just talk about their division real quick before I talk about which team I think has the real shot to go from I I I, don't think it will happen but I think they have the better shot Let's just think the packers. Do. We really think packers are going to fall off a cliff. The lions have the tied for the fifth hardest schedule in the League again. Let me let me just preface now let me just start. They have the fifth toughest schedule. Mass Stafford already doesn't really beat winning team. So let's just go ahead and count the lions out immediately even thinking the article ESPN said, they don't think the lions are going to go worse to first they just think they have the best chance that doesn't make any sense. The fact of them to say. That they think they have the best chance I, really just don't think that makes sense. But the packers they went thirteen three their team didn't really lose anything. It didn't really gain anything what it did gain is a pissed off Aaron Rogers so I really do think the packers are probably gonNA finish double digit wins again they'll probably win the division the Vikings what they do I mean they left they lost on digs their defensive line outside of Disney Oh, hunter isn't really that great but their offense is still intact. while. They did lose their offensive coordinator Kubiak is still there Zimmer there kirk i. mean they still got feeling. They drafted the first round receiver they still got Rudolph and Smith. you know the back in the defense is still saw with the two safeties. Their linebacking core is still good. I think the vikings are almost kind of set to finish second in vision for the bears. Their defense is still really good. they still have a smart play caller Matt Nagy I don't think last year was his best year calling plays, but I think a big part of it was that he didn't know what to do with Mitch I think Mitch just took a step back. He didn't look the same and he was trying to compensate it make the play calling easier and in doing so it made it predictable but I think nick foles is probably going to star. So I mean the bears they'll they could finish probably second I, would pick them to finish third. So, whether we do with the Lions. The lions have been the worst team in that division for years. Now, it's not changing and I especially don't think it's changing under Matt Patricia. I just don't. The team that I believe that people should really be looking out for to be to have the best chance to go from worst to first I think it's the chargers. The disrespect to tyrod Taylor is just read. To me. I. Think I talked about a couple podcasts. Go I mentioned the fact that he had a overall on on the newest madden in the sixties, which is not even a starter. In that game, but they have like sixty four or something like that, which is just so disrespectful to Taylor as I think I've talked about in Taylor's three years starting out with the bills he I think is worst ranking was fifteenth in the League when it came to his pro football focus grade, the other two seasons he was a top ten quarterback. Taylor, he's not GonNa be a guy who you with the passing yards. He'll never be that guy he's never going to be the guy who's GonNa allow you with his arm talent and making incredible throws completing seventy percent of his passes. He will never be that. But what Taylor is easily Lee athlete you can easily run some kind of scheme with him similar to what the Ravens do with Lamar Jackson what I think that the raiders are going to do with Marcus Mariota. Because I'll get into this later I think the raiders are GonNa make a quarterback change mid-season I think that they will. But in terms of of a of the chargers, I don't think they're going to want to really start Herbert I just don't think they're gonNa want to could they yet? They could. But will they I honestly don't think they will I think they're going to have Taylor go ahead and finish the season out and I think the charges could be really good. The twenty third ranked schedule in the League they have a very easy season. Through nine games I looked through schedule I think that the chargers could be six and three through it through the first nine games I really think they could be six and three they face the bengals that's a win. They face the chiefs that's a loss they face the panthers I would take them to win that game they take on the bucks I'll say that's loss saints that's a loss but in the jets dolphins, jags raiders, and remember they take on the raiders twice a against the broncos I think they'll probably split it. And I think they could even I think could win both because the chargers defense could we just talk about the defense for a second there defensive line Joey Bosa on one side. Melvin Ingram on the other. Against the Broncos they they lost their, they're really their top tackle. And their offensive line already wasn't that great. So. I mean, Bosa Ingram. They're going to wreak havoc on the offensive line and drew lock is not a mobile guy. I think they could. beat the broncos twice. But I would say that because of Denver's defense though probably split the games but on their defense just in general Bosa Ingram and they have by far and away the best secondary in the NFL Hayward Desmond King Chris Harris Junior derwin James I mean the we doing? Their linebacking core is great. I, think the linebacking corps could be much much better That's probably the week the weakest point of their actual defense but pass rush and coverage. Those are two. Those are the two most important parts of your defense and they've got them. They've got a pluses everywhere. What on Earth, are team's GonNa do to their defense in on their offense. I don't really like their offensive line I think that is the weak point. They traded coon they up getting trade Turner of Turner Can Return Back to his twenty fifteen sixteen form when he was one of the top guards in the league that'd be great But other than that Hunter Henry is back on the franchise tag. He's struggled to stay healthy at times when he's healthy, it's Kinda the Tyler I for effect when he's healthy, he's one of the greatest tight ends in the NFL. But then but the thing is he's needs to stay healthy. But on the outside, you still got Keenan Allen. Of course, you can peg him to probably miss a game or two every season, but he is one of the best receivers in the league. You Got Mike Williams on the other side who's a great fifty fifty ball receiver he is outstanding when it comes to contested catches the running backs table is great. Yes. They lost a Melvin Gordon but Austin heckler. Performing as the starter last year, he was the number one graded running back in the NFL whether it's running the football or receiving. He is elite in both facets. He was an undrafted player as well. I mean, it doesn't bode well for drafting running backs high in the first round though I'm not saying that team shouldn't do it but the chargers are stacked and you look at their division, the raiders the Broncos in the chiefs, the chiefs now obviously, they are probably they're going to win that division again I don't think there's going to be some super bowl hangover I think they're going to be fine. But the raiders I think they're going to be bad this year the Broncos, I don't like the fact that they lost. Their top tackle I don't like that. Especially because you lost on the mobile guy so I really do think that could seriously impact this team. So I would probably say Denver will finish third division and there's a lot of people who think that Denver could be the dark horse they could be like the twenty sixteen jags they could be like the twenty eighteen bears, right I think the charges could easily finished second in that division and I would pick them to probably be a playoff team. Just kind of depends on how how all the other records look in the in the in the conference. But don't see any reason as to why it is that the chargers can't be a playoff team. Taylor has never been turnover prone as as rivers in while he is not the passer he has more of an athlete than rivers has ever Ben Taylor fits today's nfl better than rivers does because he's mobile, he can run he can throw on the run he can outrun linebackers, he can outrun defensive ends he's not GonNa you know lower show the remote, mow down a modem, a safety or corner, but he can make guys miss I really do think he could do a lot of what Lamar Jackson did. But people, they just don't give him the respect because his passing numbers aren't super flashy. But his play on the field is better than the stats dictate. The stats do not always tell the full story and the chargers I think given their schedule they have an easy schedule. This year Taylor is inefficient passer. They've got solid weapons I. Think Anthony Land really does like him. They've got a great defense to back him up. There's no reason as to why there's the charges it should not be number one on this list look at their division, the NFC North Are you kidding me? You think that the? I'm. GonNa. I'M GONNA, call myself down for a second hold on. The? NFC. North. You really think. That the lions have the best shot and they use a they use a method on DVD. They use a metric I don't care what the metric if the metric says that the lions have the best shot to go from worst to this coming season your metric is wrong. I do not believe for a second. If, you're if you're if you're metric predicted them to go from worst to first last season and they went from worse to worse sir. whether you doing. Right why why are you listening to this? If it predicts the lions again, why would you not just throw away the system? Throw away the metric because it's bad. It's garbage. I think that the lions are going to be. Let me go in here. Here's a little spoiler. I. Think the line is GonNa be one of the top ten worst teams in the NFL, this coming season I really do. They have a terrible schedule. It's murderers row. they Matt Patricia by all accounts at least scoring the Darius slay. He doesn't have the locker room. Yes. He can bring in some New England guys. He can bring in Kyle van Noy and he can bring in Jamie Collins, he can sign some of these guys. But. Other guys. Apparently don't like him snacks Harrison talked about how this was one of the this was his hardest season as a pro ever, and he actually contemplated retirement after this season. And I just. I don't know what's special about Matthew Stafford. It's a thing like the talent is there I will give it to build the talent is there. But then when it comes to that dog, the playing the making the plays that count making the throws that count he doesn't seem to do it consistently enough. Any hasn't he has been the league eleven years. He has not won a playoff game. Am I saying it's all his fault. No. But the lions defense, it's not going to be great. The lions offense. It's probably going to be average. I, like their receivers I really do I. Think they have a up incoming tight end. Their offensive line is okay in some areas. But isn't great. They're running back situation. I'm not a big fan of even though I liked Kerryon Johnson but another big fan of it. I just don't see the hype. Every single year. There are list that come out and they talk about who the top quarterbacks are in the League and everything in Matthew Stafford is always on this list and they talk about his arm strength and they talked about his ability to the football and. The record does not show. He's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. His his playing against winning football teams doesn't show. He's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. In. There are those who use the same argument with Carson Wentz. But Carson Wentz I don't think he's ever had the talent that Matt Stafford Hat around Him Matt Stafford the one point had mega tron in Golden Tate around him obviously now Kenny Day. And you look like what? Carson wentz other work where he had lower, who has been a drought machine you look at a Jordan Mathews where the only place he seems to be good at though is in Philadelphia of obviously he had. Dish on Jackson for for two games to two one game I, think even one game. You know he had the Sean Jackson Ver- game He had a Alshon Jeffery who runs about like a six flat forty. So you know he's had he's had some weapons. I'd say he's probably better tight ends than mass staffer had in his career but receiver wise the overall talent No. No. No No. No I'm not. I'm not going to buy into that. It could just simply be that Matt Stafford isn't a force multiplier, right? Some guys have a lot of talent, but they just don't make the other guys around them. Better. Jay Cutler had a lot of talent. But he was quickly. And he was hard to get along with he was very aloof now is it necessarily as he tried to be a bad guy knows it like he tried to be hard to get along with? No it just it just as personality. And he you? Sometimes. It's just how people are not saying that you'll Jay Cutler by all accounts I'm sure he's a nice guy a great great person, but he was hard to get along with all the talent in the world all the armed talent. especially, it never really materialized. Stafford. All the armed talent in the world. One of the strongest arms in the league over the last decade. He doesn't. He's not necessarily as prickly. I've never heard anything about him being hard to get along with but. They. Don't win just like Cutler, with the bears or cutler with the Broncos they didn't really win. You have like a season here or there. But then the rest of the seasons are mediocre or your bottom, you're the vision. And I just don't think that the lions deserve to to be the number. One team back to back years has the best chance to go from worst to I. I think that the chargers have a significantly better chance. If I was going to pick any team, it would most likely be the chargers but that is just me Anyway it's coming up next final topic of the day. I'm GonNa, give you guys I predict. My top ten worst teams this coming season I'm GONNA get into that coming up next final segment. Thank you for tuning in. Out this show built around the women of. Man from the UFC. Two extreme case fighting we got the fights cover. The golden state media concepts, women's MMA podcast the latest news of upcoming twice discussions of previous matches join us as we talked to in about the biggest names in women's mixed martial arts past present and future. When it's the women's fight game, you know where to listen to the golden state media concepts women's MMA podcast. and. Welcome to the MC football podcast last segment of the day my top ten, the predict the top ten worst NFL teams coming season Last segment talked a little bit about ESPN's worst to first list. I. Think is ridiculous. Two straight years they have predicted that the lions are going to be the team the best most likely team to go from worse than their the vision to first in their division I do not agree. The lions last year stayed the worst and this season I. Think once again, they are going to have the worst. They have a ridiculously tough schedule. It is a top ten schedule in terms of toughness at least on paper So I just I'm not with it. I'm not with the ESPN fixture metric find something else because whatever you're doing it isn't working anyways. So this season I talked about how I think it's GonNa be hard for certain teams. I think teams that have new head coaches, new quarterbacks, things like that new offense of systems all that stuff I think it's going to be really difficult I. Think the teams that are going to have the most success will be the teams like a Seattle like Kansas City like a like a right the rams, these teams were they have the same head coach they have the same offensive system they have the same quarterback. These teams were they haven't really changed too much. Ender steams the have accorded by going into the second. Year the giants, the Jags, some of these other teams but they have a new head coaches or the team was just a gut different things like that. That kind of play into it Cova. Has Messed up a lot especially when it comes to training camps in the amount of practice, these rookies are going to get. That's why I think teams like the Bengals in the dolphins could release struggle if they start there start and they start the rookies which the bengals are going to. It's kind of up in the air on what the dolphins are. GonNa do but I think they will start to so anyways. We're GONNA. Do this going from one to ten one being the team I think that's going to be the worst in the league. And Ten being team that still bad. But it's just gonna be either it will at least have maybe five or six wins. Now, the way I'm doing this I didn't predict record I thought about doing it. I'm not going to predict the record I'm just giving you guys the order in which I believe These teams will be ranked this season So I looked at things like How tough schedule actually was I looked at receiving core is I looked at the quarterback situation, the head coach situation I looked at all. Of that stuff but I am not going to predict a record or anything like that because I just think the NFL is a bit to it's there's there's too much luck involved because the NFL he really is sometimes it's a fumble it's just an unlucky pick. The ball bounces in the right direction. Some bad luck with the rest like anything can happen in the NFL and that's why people love the NFL one year a team can be out of the playoffs next year, they can be in the playoffs is all depends anyways. And number one I have the New York jets I. think that the jets I did look at their schedule. There's a chance this team I think could win one or two games. I think there's a real shot team is GONNA win only one or two games. First of all, they have the second hardest schedule in the NFL they opened the season against the bills, the niners, the colts, and the broncos. During the season, they also face the chiefs, the seahawks, the rams, the chargers. You can probably say all of those are going to be losses in they face the bills twice. They face, New England twice I think those could be two losses darnold does not do well against their defense I. Think there's a real shot that the jets could be one and fifteen, two and fourteen. Hell. There's a chance they could be oh and sixteen mocking to predict it. But. I think there's a real chance. They could be just one of the worst teams who the Sam Darnold have the throw to who was his top receiver they let go the Robby Anderson Quincy and noon while he could never stay healthy they're tight end situation is bad I. Don't know who on spelling to they're running back situation when Levy on Bell I like lady on but their offense line isn't that great. It's it should be better than it was last year but I'm not going to predict it's GonNa just mash in look amazing Jamal Adams is Gone Moseley opted out they got rid of. Lemon Williams on defense. Whether they working with. And then they got rid the tremaine Johnson who wasn't really performing well, anyways. But just what I mean, what, what are they? What are they working with? Adam gays by all accounts is not the Guy Jamal Adams excoriated him I, think the jets are going to be the worst team in the NFL and that's why I think. There's a real chance they move off of Sam Darnold I would not be surprised if they looked to. Trade or if they looked to trade darnold in, they drafted Trevor Lawrence Justin feels in they said. All right. Let's reboot this and they got the new head coach by the way as well. I'm a number two, I have the dolphins they have the third toughest schedule in the league. I think that through eight games, they could probably be one in seven. In understand. I'm doing this as if to was going to start even if if Fitzpatrick did star I, don't know how good it's GonNa. Look. They lost Alan Herranz to to an opt-out Albert. Wilson. Opted out. So they still have devante parker like that's something but like their offensive line isn't great running back situation isn't great. Their receivers outside of devante Parker aren't anything really to to to be. Excited about their tight end they have might go sixty who was a young you say emerging tight end he is getting better, but it's two different. It's just two guys in while I think blind Brian Floor is is a good head coach and I think that they add some good pieces to the defense I think they will be improved. Some areas just that tough of a schedule and you're GONNA throw to work in there. I don't think that the dolphins are GonNa have. I don't think they're going to have great success. I. Don't I think to while I like to going forward I. Think his rookie season is going to be very tough. Especially given the limited practices in limited time that he has had to really build a rapport with his receivers and really again there to taught they receivers are gone. Now the I think what? They are getting an rookie back from last year Williams who really flashed he got hurt last year they get him back but again, it's just it's Kinda devante Parker or bust at receiver. So at number three, have the bengals. The bengals the only reason why I have the mets three and not one or two because they are guaranteed to start a rookie. So no matter what they're going to start in inexperienced quarterback who really only had one year of starting in college. But the Bengals do have an easier schedule I do have questions about their head coach I don't know of Zach Taylor can coach I really don't the Bengals were terrible last year they got the number one overall pick for a reason and they drafted borough while I think borough Could, be good. I don't necessarily think that the bengals have the the greatest supporting cast. Now on offense they do up some interesting pieces I don't really like their offensive line, but I like Joe Mixon as a running back. He can catch and run the football I, like him. I do like Aj agreed even though he's older I'd like to see if he can still if he can still be even eighty percent of the receiver, he was tyler boy is good. Don't really know they're doing it at tight end. Their defense isn't great I. Think the Bengals a bad team think they will be drafting again and the top five of I i. just think that they will be better at least than the dolphins in the jets because their schedule is easier. So I have the Bengals at number three. And number four have the New York giants. who who was their head coach. I have never heard of this guy. He was a special teams coordinator for New England? What is his name? Joe. I don't even remember what the guys name was. Joe Judge yet Joe Joe Judge. So they have a new head coach to go along with Daniel Jones they're gonNA, have a new system because Pat Pat Shurmur system in he is gone I. Think they probably could have at least attempted to keep him around the offensive coordinator, but they didn't even do that. Then you Jones was a turnover machine last year and while not necessarily through the air like he wasn't a high interception guy, he was a big fumble guy, he could not hang onto the. Ball for the life of him I. think he bubbles Seventeen Times in while that is a correctable issue. You can get better at that They lost their left tackle to an opt-out nate solder in although solar is not a household name among tackles especially once he left New England he was their best offensive lineman probably outside of what will Hernandez. So they're tackle situation now is not good. I know that they did draft a rookie, but he is just a rookie. So you know I I don't know where they're gonna put that I. Think he was going to be right but nate soldiers now gone so well, they may be moved him to left I don't know And then you look at their division, their division is loaded with pather passer pass rushers. Their D. Line is. The cowboys, they're Dhillon especially, if they do get Randy Gregory back, they have Lawrence. They got some other pieces there. They're the line pretty good and the eagles that pass rush Brandon Graham is still there Fletcher Cox. They still got some good pieces there while they might be older Fletcher Cox is still in the most dominant defensive tackles in the league. So one of the best pass rushing defensive tackles in the league it has nothing to sneeze at I think the giants will be picking high again in this draft and I would I would just aim at maybe looking to take attack tackle again, protect Daniel Jones maybe getting a number one receiver I did like Slayton. Look at. I do like evidence agreement tight end I just think he needs to stay healthy. but I I do like some of the pieces on the giants but new system young quarterback he was a turnover machine. Last year had a fumble issue in this new unproven head coach who was a special teams coordinator I just don't high feel about that. And number five of the raiders. The raiders I really struggled with this because they have an easier schedule their schedule I think is in the twenties. So. You would think that the raiders should be able to improve from a seven nine record out of their schedule is is even easier but I don't think it's GonNa be the case the raiders defense is bad even though they've added some players to their defense has not been good. Even the year that their car was an MVP candidate their defense was still not good. And they fell apart down the stretch last year like they kind of got. At one point, it looked like the raiders were going to be a playoff team and I think they got exposed. And even though they do get Josh Jacobs back, he is just a running back how what kind of a difference is he really going to the Wind Solo. I think through the first five games of the season. The raiders could be one in four they could be oh and five, and I think that they will put in Marcus. Mariota. Jon Gruden has never been a fan of their car care what Jon Gruden says, you heard him back on Monday night football. He has never exactly been a fan of Derek Carr. He can say whatever he wants I don't believe it and they brought in Marcus Mariota. He was a great backup. He showed that he could be a great backup in Tennessee. He showed he was a true professional he lost his job the Tannahill, but again, I think, Mario, the could be franchise guy if a team just uses him the way. Oregon used him. Let him run run a system like they're gonNA do for like they do. For Lamar run a system like I think the charges will do with. Taylor I think that I think five game six games in they are going to go Marcus Mariota and they could look to either trade or just get rid of Derek. Carr I really do. So I have the raiders at number five. And number six I have the lions for the simple fact of I don't trust Matt Stafford in I don't trust Patricia I really do think that the Lions could look to fire Patricia after this year and that's Stafford. I mean I think Stafford. He's too good to not at least win five or six games to at least go to at least keep them out of the top five picks or whatever it might be But nonetheless, I just don't think that impressive I still think it will be one of the worst teams in the league. I wouldn't even be surprised if they did win less than that. Stafford I have I'm impressed with his numbers. You, know his numbers look really really good. He's the youngest quarterback whatever was to thirty thousand yards passing or whatever his achievement was. But I think a lot of numbers are hollow and they just don't really mean anything. So I think that the lines will once again be picking higher some of these teams are a bit difficult to place because they are close together. Some of these teams have very similar schedules in terms of toughness and the talent is You know you'll pick and choose whether there's that you do like so it can be hard. To place these but at number seven, I have the Jags and I think you could flip them with the lions but I have the Jackson number seven I like their offense, the offensive line, I like the jags it's really good I like lindor their senator. I like their guard, a Norwell that they brought over from Carolina I think it'd be a down year last year but overall like him I like their young tackle Cam Robinson. These is there and I like guard your Minzhu he was the highest graded rookie last season. He was better than tyler he was better than now Jones he was better than those guys and I think the honestly Jacksonville could. I think if Jacksonville embraces him, he could be there guy because I liked what I saw from him last year but he's not a household name. I do think that Jacksonville he could end up like Josh Rosen situation though his obviously his showing was much better than Rosen's was at least in his rookie in their respective rookie seasons but I do think they couldn't even look to move off of Minzhu. Quicker than they should I think the can open the season two and two but then things do get tough and of course they get the Texans twice they will face the Lions Stafford is probably GonNa, car their defense they do face the chargers I think the chargers can cause a lot problems for people because of their offense and because of their defense I think that the jags will be able to win a few games I. Don't think they're going to be you know a to win a. Team I think that they have more talent than that but I don't really like their Defense Miles Jack took a big step back a television Smith just basically retired they lost Ramsey. They lost boy a they traded Claes Campbell Janaka way isn't there playing because he doesn't want to be on that team anymore So I do think the JAGS will be bad but I, like they're receiving core I like Minhsiu I do like foreign that though I think he's a bit of a throwback running back. He's not very versatile through through the air, but nonetheless, I have the Jags at number seven. And number eight and you can probably say I have them a bit too high and and I I would go ahead and I believe that but I think this has to do with the respect I have for the head coach I, have Washington at number eight. Now I'm not really a fan of Dwayne Haskins his rookie year I didn't really see anything from him. Now granted it's Washington in he was with Jay Gruden so. There's only so much that I can really hold against, and then of course, Jon Gruden got fired than they became like a very run centric offense which probably benefited him and I think that Alex Smith would be great if Alex Smith can be back as a backup at least and be out there on the field I think that he will be a great teacher for Dwayne but I love Ron Rivera I, think Washington has real pieces on their defense that that Ron Rivera can really you know a infuse his mentality into and you look at Carolina Right Carolina? They didn't always have a great. Offense the thing that Carolina had consistently was a really good defense to back up Cam Newton I think that the Washington I think that they can play a control, the ball kind of offense or at least they can attempt to play a control the ball kind of offense, and they can play really really strong defense I don't necessarily like the back end of the defense by like their pass rush and I liked their linebackers to extent the linebackers not so much. But I, like their pass rush So I do think I think still be bad, right? I. Still Think this could be a bad team. But I like Ron. they have a real defensive pieces. They do have an easier schedule I like, Terry maclaurin I doubt he he really flashes a rookie So I think Dwayne Haskins he could form a nice relationship there but nonetheless I have the Washington football team at number eight and number nine I have the panthers now this might surprise some people but I'm GonNa be completely honest look. I'm not a big fan of Teddy Bridgewater I'm just not Now what he did with the saints that was great whether you did the one year with the Vikings went to the playoffs with him. Great. But even that year he was, he was such a game manager. None of his numbers screamed starter in the NFL. They had a peterson who was running the football like a madman and they played amazing defense. That is why they won the games and Teddy Bridgewater. You know he can convert some some some third downs with his legs. He's an accurate passer. He doesn't have a great arm, but he's not a turnover machine but I don't think that's going to be enough. Carolina's defense is not good anymore. They've got some good offensive pieces I like their receiver more I like more I like McCaffrey. But they have a rookie head coach I? Don't know whether it's GONNA look like they're offensive line is questionable. There's a chance that Russell Oku retires. because of Kobe he's not sure he wants to play a chance he could retire and then just look at their vision they get the bucks twice. Do you think Teddy? In his let's face it. His noodle arm is going to beat the buccaneers probably not They get the saints twice. Do you think he's GonNa be no the Saints Roster is much much better than Carolina's They get the Falcons twice could they may be split the games with the Falcons yeah probably. But then they also say they faced just to name a few other teams. They faced the bears, the chiefs, the broncos, the Vikings. This is not going to be a great football team I. Think Teddy if anything is a bridge quarterback, if the Carolina is bad enough, I could see them taking a quarterback in the draft wasn't be a hell of a story if they managed to get the number one overall pick in draft Trevor Lawrence wouldn't that be something Oh, my God. Talk. About a story that would be incredible. I don't think it's going to happen I. Don't think they're going to be that bad. But I, I, think the panthers are still going to be one of the top ten worst teams in the League. I think he's a great guy i. do like him when he has a good roster in a good defense it works but other than that. I? Think he is in average. Lesser End quarterback. That's just me though. And at number ten I have the cardinals. I think that the cardinals will be better. The season I looked at their schedule I think they could start the season foreign one or three into all just kind of depends on how the ball bounces but I think that they could start the season looking pretty good looking like a real contender in the NFC west but then their schedule gets tougher there's a reason they have a top ten schedule I think they're schedule is tied for fifth in the League or Fifth or eighth it's one of the two but either way it stopped ten Until it gets harder after week five against the jets, the jets is kind like their last. Game, but then after that yeah, they just they run into buzzsaws and Calorie all the credit in the world to his rookie season. He looked good in spots and I think the he can improve but he was he he was next to the Shawn Watson. He was the worst quarterback in the league when it came to running himselves into saks in running himself in the pressures I like De'andre in Fitzgerald and Kirk. I think those are great pieces to put around him and I, think that that their offense could be really fun to watch but I still don't like their defense i. do like Buddha Baker and Peterson and Jones I think they have an interesting rookie. But it's not enough. It's just it to me. It's just not enough pieces I think that the coroner's cardinals will still be bad team this year I still think they will be one of the top ten worst teams even though I think their offense could be very, very exciting. I just think their defense is atrocious and that teams will have a field they on them. No matter what. Peterson he is getting older though he's a good corner. He is getting older. Chandler. Jones is only getting older though I still think he's good Their offensive line is bad and they lost They lost their right tackle. He opted out for the season. So I think that's going to hurt Tyler Moore even more I just don't think the cardinals be that great. I I really don't There was one other team I did think about maybe putting at the tennis ball I thought maybe putting New England there because they do have the toughest schedule in the league in their team was gutted by the opt out and they lost a lot of free agents and it didn't necessarily bring anybody in they did bring in Cam. But what is he working with but I just have too much respect for Bill Belichick to say they're going to be a bad team. I have too much respect for bill and what he has done over the last twenty years. To say that he loses Tom Brady and then the team is going to be one of the ten worst league. I just don't think that's going to happen. but I did think maybe about putting them at ten, I think it could have been a toss up between them and the cardinals but nonetheless, I put the cardinals in at number ten. So, my top ten teams in the NFL for this coming season, my prediction will be the jets, the dolphins, the Bengals, the giants, the raiders, the lines, the Jags of Washington Football Team Panthers, and cardinals, and I am saying it's going to be in that order. I don't know what the records are going to be but that is my prediction for who the top ten worst teams are going to be. I'm really looking forward to this football season I. I really. Am I really want to see what the product looks like. I I'm I'm very interested to see how the season goes about interested to see. If there's a disaster, right? I'm I'm hoping on a disaster, but I'm very interested to see what happens if covid breaks out amongst the team what is the NFL GonNa do about the schedule I think that's a real question. I I'm looking forward to the season when it comes to college I I'm I'm hoping for the best for these kids and I feel so bad for some of these kids who season has. Taken away from them and who aren't going to get the chance to show their skill or who you're. They might even say they might try and play during the spring in they might get her in their draft stock will fall I. It's an ugly situation, but this is the world that we live in right now. But anyways, thank you tuning into the GMC football podcast I would like to ask you please remember to subscribe to the show in readiness review that really helps us out. Also, if you can please follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. Thank you. And have a good night. You've been listening to the golden state media concepts, football podcast part of the golden state media concepts, podcast network. You can find this show an otherwise like it at www dot Jesus MC podcasts, dot com download our podcast itunes, stitcher soundcloud, and Google play this type in. 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Brews & The 'Boys: Which Cowboys would you give extensions to?

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Brews & The 'Boys: Which Cowboys would you give extensions to?

"Welcome to another edition of the brews in the boys podcast. Brought to you by blogging boy, Hsi-wei media and produced by SP nation in the box media podcast network. You know, me folks, my name is Michael size where you can find me on Twitter at Mr. Sizemore, we're here to talk about America's team the Dallas Cowboys with me as always he is the Yang to my Yang. He is the Walter Matthau to my Jack Lemmon the aren't Anderson to my RIC flair without him. I would get in lots of our fights, folks. Tom rile. Fine him on Twitter at Tom rile BT, and we're gonna talk about some cowboy stuff here this week last week. You know, there wasn't. There was a little bit of stuff to talk about with the coaches. But this week we're kind of going to play around with what the Cowboys should do in the off season. And we had such a great conversation over at blogging the boys with yes in our in our cohorts about who should the Cowboys pay because it seems Tom that everybody wants to get paid this off season. Well, yeah, there's a lot of Carrick free agents. And there's also some people that are looking at extensions even though they're not necessarily up for free agency yet. And yeah, the the team has a lot of cap space and a lot of people kinda wanna chunk of it. I mean and a lot of these players. They are your best players. We're talking about you know, everyone knows that they gotta do something with DeMarcus Lawrence. You can't let it pass rusher. Like that walk. Cout there's talks about you know, what can they really offer Colby's -ly? Do they want to offer Kobe's anything is going to be thirty years old? But you just saw the Super Bowl a slot receiver became the MVP of that game. So yeah, it just depends on by the way one thing. I want to say on that Tom no quick about the Super Bowl. I find it. So funny as Jack Nicholson would say, I've find it particularly pecan that that these Super Bowl ended the way it did when so many it was all about offense all your long. It was all about scoring all year long cheese. The Rams fifty four fifty one on Monday night football. And Super Bowl ends the way. It does with a thirteen to three victory for the patriots. They shut down the Rams offense completely it. None of those playmakers mattered on offense. No, no Jared Goff didn't really show playing. Well, Todd Gurley might be dinged up. We don't know. But none of those playmakers on offense showed up in the defense of ones that did show up. Didn't really matter in the end. Yeah. And yeah, it was it was just Arnie all over the place, and you, and I want to say that you know, elements shouldn't have been the MVP. They should have given it to a defender that was just that makes. I saw that not even one vote went to a defender. And I'm like what what are people thinking? But anyway offense to win. That's all they they just here. Offense to always more the more exciting positions. But I just thought it was great that all this talk all year round, Tom has been about. Oh offense is the new way. You gotta start being so creative on offense. If if Jason Garrett scored three points in the Super Bowl, he wouldn't have been on the plane back from Atlanta. Yeah. And and everybody will be calling for Dak Prescott s- hit if he'd put like that it. Yeah. It bad games can happen to everybody. But you know, while you're talking about people that they need make a decision on free agency. Don't forget that. They've gotta figure out what they're going to do with those extensions. You know, you've got Maury Cooper out there. They're talking about that Prescott. You know, maybe they wanna make a move on him. Now that was a real subject of our conversation. And I you know, I just put up something about why it may be wise to make a move on him. And how he's going to get a lot more money than a lot of people seem to expect. Let's go there. Let's go there. Let's Prescott because I think a lot of folks on Twitter don't understand where we are here. They all your in. Yeah. That's that's exactly that was going to clarify that they do not understand the quarterback market in the NFL. No. And I think you could put that market is for a lot of different positions. But certainly quarterback I said last night, Tom, and then I'm gonna let you give your your rundown of this. When when we were talking about this last night in kind of just discussing the what it's deck Prescott worth. And you know, some folks said that he's that he's gonna get paid, you know, twenty five to thirty million dollars and others were saying, I don't think he's worth that. I said it doesn't matter. What he what he's worth? You know, it quarterbacks get paid. Yeah. And it's the simple fact is is is it's a harsh calculation. There are thirty two teams in the NFL. You can may become up with twenty starter quality that backs in the league right now yet generous because you I in the article, but is going up. I think soon I rattled off twelve quarterbacks that I've really did not think we're starter quality. And the only one you might still be able to argue on that list. I think is ally manning and maybe Joe flacco Hawaii included because they just aren't doing much, you know, with what they've got, you know, the the ravens have been winning with defense manning. They just had a couple of really bad years. But explain what I what I mean real quick for you, Tom like because I know you know, what I mean. But for the folks out there, and I said quarterbacks get paid as I look at. This like an agent does if the owner Jerry Jones has come into me and says I want to extend your client. I wanna extend that quarterback. Then I know as an agent that he is at least thinking and toying with the idea of is this my quarterback for the future. Is this franchise quarterback, which that means the leverage there is pretty high for the Asian because you're gonna look at all these quarterbacks that are getting paid that might not be as good as Dak Prescott. And here's the full-ti- of that the Cowboys had pretty much admitted. He is the franchise order by they plan for a decade more of him under center or back in the shotgun. Which is where takes more snaps not. But they've already committed to him the Kellen Moore John kitten omos were going all in on getting him where he needs to be so yeah, they're going to pay him. They are going to. The whole Bill is if you work out something now, you may save twenty thirty million dollars over the course of the contract. And if you let him play out the year and then try to work something out next season. I want you to run through those quarterbacks that have been paid recently. I'm you had the information in your post. It's going to go up soon and actually. Actually idea. Actually, I didn't have the list of quarterbacks who have been paid. But let me see here. But you can kind of while you look for an I want you to rattle those numbers off for our listeners. And let them know what guys have been getting held some people. I'm sorry. I some people on I'm sorry. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I was thinking different settled numbers. Okay. I had to just scroll up and five at then. Okay. And this we have to credit one. He came up with these Google the mandate, April twenty seventeen lions gave Matt Stafford a five year one hundred thirty five million dollar deal twenty seven million per year, February twenty eighteen the forty Niners gave Jimmy Garoppolo five year deal worth one hundred thirty seven point five million twenty seven point five million a year. Now Garoppolo has you know, he's had. Had just a handful of games when he wasn't injured. And yet he got paid because they said he was the quarterback of the future and season worth starts. Yeah. In March twenty eighteen Kirk cousins signed in Minnesota eighty four million dollars three years twenty eight million a year. And he hasn't exactly done a lot may twenty eight teen falcons. Give Matt Ryan thirty million a year over five years or one hundred fifty million dollars. And k you know, he's got like played in a Super Bowl will give him that. But he before that he was like, Tony. Yeah. And then in all of last year the Green Bay Packers extended Aaron Rodgers, and it was four years one hundred thirty four million thirty three point five million a year. Now he's worth penny. Rogers is worth every penny. They. I just don't have a team around him right now. So you look at these numbers, and you know as. OCC mentioned you'll look at Prescott you stacking up against that. And the only guy you'd have to say his clearly ahead of him is Rogers. So even if you go on the logic of what we should slot him in. There were talking between thirty three and a half million a year. So thirty one thirty two million a year for him for four five year deal. Now that discounts the entire annual inflation is the salary at goes up need to remembers the inflation. Yeah. The calf goes off. And that means agents are coming harder for more money. And you're also going to have the argument of Aaron Rodgers is probably on his last deal, or at least you have to be considering that it's his last deal. Not even see the end of that deal. Yeah. Dak could have one more deal after this one probably. We will. That's what the hoping for unless they go crazy and signing some incredibly long thing. But I think we're looking at a four five year deal with Tony Romo got a sixty seven million dollar extension before he ended up signing one hundred eight million dollars cinching later. So it's very possible. This is just one deal before. Yes. So and so you're you're looking at him that agent. I've got no doubt my mind. He's gonna come in and be talking thirty four thirty five million a year off the start now that may be his negotiating position or he could come in asking for even more. But the arguments going to be like this is the quarterback that you're looking at for eight to ten years, you know, you need to pay him. He wants his money. Now, he wants a lot of guaranteed dollars because a career in the NFL in effect an end in one play it can end in practice. You know, you just never know when something can come up and happen. So. They're going to be talking about a lot of money for debt Prescott. And there's risk and all the big contracts. But I think four your quarterback when you've got a guy that's posted his record, which I believe is now thirty three and eighteen over three years. It works out to sixty five percent of the games. He's won. When you've got a quarterback in your team is winning that number of games with him. Yes. You're going to invest in him. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is I think folks need to realize when they think, oh, well, this guy's only worth fifteen or twelve to fifteen million a year in mind will guys that's not the money you're playing with here. If the inflation means a lot, okay, not going to pay a quarterback that much and the quarterback operates at an entirely different level. It's it's something apart. You can't really talk about you know. Okay. We'll your. Edris or should get. No sorry. You don't have you know, one guy out rushing the passer, you know, but teams turn over every year because staff and personnel with their abilities to find a franchise quarterback. If you have one you're gonna pay to find out if he is or not. Yeah. And a lot of teams pay and then find out. Well, you know, maybe he isn't. Yeah. But that's the going rate that it is. It is a really it. It's something I think they need to look and investing in him really early. Yeah. Early might be bent like, you said early might get you a better deal because then later on you're sitting here looking year later, and you're probably more like four or five more year. Yeah. There's probably going to be people over thirty five million in in another year is just that's how it's going. Plus, you know, people will be looking to sign that last deal before they get to the. Possible lockout, which is I've got no idea how that factors factors into thinking. But yeah, you know, we've we've got some labor strife coming up in the NFL, but less next year. Like you said, and this is the last say on deck, and we'll move we'll take a quick break and then move on. But Dak Prescott you're paying your your floor. Is right about thirty million dollars a year like twenty thirty two million dollars a year. Yeah. I think that is that is the low range, and and I've become a shot that they get at all under thirty. Yes, exactly. That's the price. Well, anyway, we will be right back on the bruise and the boys podcast sticks. Stick right here. We'll be right back to talk more about free agents. And we are back. So the next thing I wanted to say we already talked. We know that they're going to re-sign DeMarcus Lawrence don't crazy. We just talked about Dak Prescott. What do you think about extending Amari, Cooper, and Zeki Elliott? Let's start with Mari Cooper. Yes. I think it'd be smart again an extension on him. He still young. You're look, you know. Here's your first round draft pick this year yet let that's just how you think about it. But you're not going to be able to get that I that rookie contract. So it's going to cost you more yet. He's probably worth somewhere in the fifteen to twenty million a year range, and he's your he's your wide receiver one. And he gives you that anchor free receiving core. Then you got Michael Gallup to play to be out there with him. And then you've got a sort out who else you've got. But you've got the big gun. And so, yeah, I think I think they definitely should look go ahead and extending him for the same reason if they wait until he actually it's free agency is just gonna bump the price up a little bit. I agree with you on that. I think that morning Cooper, you should look for the same reasons we were talking about Daqing just inflation in general, you should look at signing him early. I just think that helps your team I really do believe that it has. Is going to be it would be much harder to replace Amari Cooper. Then it would be to replace this next guy that we're gonna talk about and it's a tough situation here. But Zeki Elliott the Cowboys running back the whole offense is based on what they can do with Zeke Elliot day are getting rid. They got rid of the offensive coordinator. Because they don't believe that part of it that he was using his players correctly. Or using the entire skill set as bailable to him of guys like Dak Prescott Zeke, Elliot so Zeke, Elliot he is there's rumors that he would like to get an extension as well. You know, the Cowboys loves Zeki, Elliot, but the history DeMarco Murray's not that far behind us, Tom you believe that the Cowboys will eventually say this is the NFL in running backs. We do not value that or do you see them paying Zeke Elliott, or what what do you think about the Zeke Elliott possible extension? Rumors. While I of problem is we're lacking some information here. And that is we don't really know what killing more has in mind for this offense. We don't know what he and Jason Garrett are talking about doing are. They looking at moving away from the run Centric offense that they've had for the past three years if they do that the suddenly, yeah, you're not going to be in a hurry to extend exe- culet. You've still got another year under contract and the fifth year option you can call him. Yeah. And so what is Elliott want to do? I mean is he going to try to pull a Levy on bell and sit out a season, you know, that would create an interesting set of problems, but the real thing, and and this is what a lot of people just don't seem to quite catch onto you can plug in place. So many people that running back, and if you've got a good offensive line in drivers, Frederick is hopefully going to be back, then you don't need to have the best running back in the league to make your offense work, you need a good running back who can go out be eleven twelve hundred yard carrier. Get you a second back who can give you four or five hundred yards in relief. And you're good. You're good to go. But I would argue he special he is special. He has a special. He's a different type of running back. He's not a normal plug and light play running back. He is more than that. Yeah. But you have to ask yourself is is he that special thoroughbred horse at the Indy. Five hundred is he just worthy. I think. So. Yeah. Just I just don't know if he is the right? Thing to have and. Well, let me let me put it this way. I think that DeMarco Murray was more of a product of the most amazing offense of line since the nineteen nineties Cowboys. Yeah, I think Zeke does a lot more than what the offense of line has been able to give him sometimes. Oh, yeah. And I think he could certainly do a lot more the line as healthy here would just trying to talk dollar since resource investment. And I really don't know. Now. I don't him right now. I'm with you. I think you wait a little I thank you at least try to get to next year. And it's going to take some diplomacy and finesse just to say look Winnie get through this season. And then see where we are. And we can look at things on your option year, or you know, maybe they can, you know, before they they can go ahead and exercise the option than possibly negotiating. Extension during this the spanning of. So it's just there's a lot going on. I just don't I think the main thing is don't be in a hurry. Commit a lot of your cap dollars to him. Yeah. I think in the end, I agree with you. I was trying to play a little devil's advocate there. But I do agree with you. I think Zeke Elliot though is a special back. You know as compared to DeMarco Murray, but I do think you wait on that just because that's a lot to to to just, you know, divvy out to Zeke, Elliot when you don't know what your offense is going to be you don't know what it's going to change into. Now. Let's move into some free agency in the last couple of minutes. Let's talk about real quickly. Would you would you put an extension out there to Kobe? Or would you let him walk? I would make him an offer. But I would not be. I would not be concerned about getting outbid. Okay. Okay. Is to me is kind of. Why can't hitch? It was last year. Exactly. He's a nice to have. But he's not an assessing. Yeah. And I you know, it's it's a little bit risky. I love Beasley as a player. I just I feel like this is going to be another financial thing where they're just going to say, okay. We've only got so much spread around. We've got a lot of important contract. We got to sort out. Now, if they decide perhaps to forgo some of these for another Caesar to than maybe they'll free up the money for him. But I'm leaning towards Beasley going somewhere else. And I would not be surprised to see with the patriots. Exactly. But here's what I think. Koby gonna find out. I think that Koby Isley is going to find out what their real value for a slot receiver actually is versus what he thinks. It should be a lot of players find that out when they go to gauge. Yeah, you're just I don't think if you think it Lee thinks that he should be paid. You know with you know, the top receivers in the league. Yeah. Now, I would still pay golden Tate before I'd pay a Kobe's -ly goal. Gates older. Yeah. I think he ought to you know, he this war shopping around somebody may by and be willing to give him a little bit more money. But there's a chance to couple of good slat receivers in that draft. Yeah. And it's off as also possible. He may just go out shop around not really like the offers situations out there and the Cowboys have something offer on the table. And he may want it coming back to it. And they you know, everybody may be kind of happy ports loan with. But yeah. And I got another question for you. Tom tight ends in free agency do or don't go find tied in. I don't I don't think any of them are going to offer you marmot. I'm kind of excited about this tied in class in the draft. And flees understand when I say that I'm basing that on what I'm hearing from other people. I am not a tape grinder myself. You know, I can't sit there and tell you a great prospect who isn't. But there seemed to be some great day to day three tight end options. Which of course is extremely pertinent to the Cowboys. Yes. And when you look at free agency and tied ends, there's nobody you know, the the top tight end that's hitting free agency. This year's Jesse James a he's he's kind of in the mold of Jeff Suame, but just a little bit better at at at the point of attack and stuff like I don't know that he is worth going and throwing money at a tied in when you got a young class tight ends that people are little excited about I wait on that. And I wanna see. If is swipe gonna come back. I don't know what the situation is with him. But d- really want to look at brain somebody else in when you may be able to get him healthy. And if they rolled into into training camp with with Swain Schultz, and whilst the loans name late Jarrin yet Jarwan if they had those three plus a drafty, and then, you know. Then baby if they feel like they need a little more depth. They could look at maybe signing someone, but that would definitely be the thing where they go to their famous bargain bin. That's keeping an eye on Tyler who has a hit injury history. Because I just would like to see what happens Tyler, I I know he's got a lot of playmaking ability. But he's injured every single season. I would like to see what happens in free agency for Tyler. I for it. Because maybe he ends up in the bargain bin, and you can get a pretty decent deal and not have to actually give him an invest in him too much. Yeah. Next off you're not going there. Do you look at wide receivers? I would kind of again, that's where I would, you know, kinda be cruising the bargain aisles. Yes. And just you know, see who might pop up, and who isn't giving a lot of action. Plus, you know, maybe you bring tape on Austin back because talk about getting spit you can get somebody cheap. There's going to be any market for him now. And he's he's got game. Breaking speed. That's one thing. He's always at an even showed that several times this year. And I would I would say you primarily going to sign him as a return specialist. Exactly. 'cause with you get outta turn game is trash. So I think there's a good chance. They may bring him back on something friendly the other one I want to spend on swing tackle in free agency. I wanna veteran swing tackle. And I think that you could just re-sign see what it would cost to resign. Your own guy. Re-signing Cam Fleming. But I wanna look at swing tackle. Because I think you know, there's you're not gonna go and get one of the top tackles out there like Jared Velde here is the top tackle on the market right now. But he on if you if you read PF up a lot of people don't read into their grades much. He was only like four or five points higher than what the Cowboys had with Cam Fleming. And he's thirty one he's five years old older. But I would look at paying a veteran tackle to be your swing tackle. Because I don't think it's going to cost you that much. But I think it's better than having a rookie there. Yeah. And that's that's one. We're Fleming may be the guy. But yeah, you probably want to have a veteran. Swing tackle in your pocket going into camp or at least going into the draft. Maybe you draft someone to come in and compete for that job. Hey, you and Tom we. Love drafting off of lineman every year. I don't care. Yeah. And I think they're going to pick up somebody. You're good at it. Why stop? Yeah. I I don't think we're going to see them going with an interior offensive linemen. And quite frankly, that's to me is just a tribute to Joe looney. You get tribes Frederick back. Then looney becomes your interior backup man on gang. Weight room. Yeah. And that's good. But the, you know, if you're just talking about having to add somebody, I don't think there's any pressure at all to try to get an interior offensive lineman right now position. I wanna ask you about Tom K defensive tackle, a let's go find somebody in free agency. Right. Yeah. I wanna might even go free agency and draft somebody. Oh, I agree. I think there's enough room on the the roster for that. And there is a long list of of forget since out there. So, you know, a lot they like Sheldon Richardson, he has not proven to be the best first round pick ever in. He's had to sign a lot of prove it deals. Yeah. So I'm in. Yeah. I'm in also, Tom I wanted to ask I'm talking about defensive tackle. I think that when you go back and you look at the Rams loss. That was a big problem. You just did not have guys that can move that could stay in their gaps. Because there was a great offense of flying on the other side of them pushing them out of their position constantly, and I think that that was a big problem for them in that game was stopping the run because they were getting beat up front, and this is the one position where I think they might look at an older guy to. Yes, as I've got an older proven guy who still playing a high level, or at least a d a good level who fits the system and who's not going to break the Bank. But yeah, I would definitely wanna short up with at least one free agent going in because you're still going to be looking at the draft because it's like tied in as a lot of good defensive tackle talent coming out college this year, only two different defensive tackles. That are free agents are gonna get big deals at Grady Jarrett in dominancy and Adama consume might still. Have to sign a one year big deal. That's it. So yeah. You don't know is there. Yeah. He's just getting old. He's getting old now long who with this is one where you're going to look at the second second wave and then baby the third way for the Cowboys. And I'm happy with that too. I is is as we've said, they don't have a crying free agent need. What we've gotta go out and find the starter position. X they are looking for backup for guys that are going to come in and shore up some depth somebody that can be more rotational player than have to come in start. That's why there's no where that really is a bad place for them to look that right and people anywhere, and they can stick with their preferred philosophy of probably going with just the bargain bin unless you're going to really you're not to give out big money. I think to anybody unless. Less you go go for less. They decide to buy the the by on rural Thomas. We couldn't go one show without mention it. You oughta talk free agents, and he's the sixty four million dollar free agent question in Dallas, exactly. But is Chris Rashard going to sell off to get him? I want. Yeah. Kristie art is going to put rod Marinelli in a closet while he goes and gets defensive tackles. 'cause. Yeah. Marinelli doesn't value beef. Then then prisoner shards gonna say can I pretty please have Earl Thomas, but you know, if you're gonna pay big money for safety. It's got to be one like him. Yeah. But is he really the only one with with his injury. I mean, the guy is has some some unique talent and his ability diagnose stuff, but. If you're in the injury history might make them cheaper, it might making cheaper. But if it doesn't there are some really interesting names on the free agent list. I don't know how would all filled in with Chris Rashard, well tire people don't even mention him, Tom. He doesn't fit our scheme. Fits everyone's game. How just? Let's let the sarcasm trae of Boston is a strong safety. No, he's not. He's only played free Steven he's only played his entire career, and Eric Eric Reed may be one of those guys who's cheap because everybody's scared of the protests thing. Oh my God. Yeah. If if if you're going to go in for pretty decent are high costs free agent contract. Yeah. Then why not go for safety, and while yourself to one name, I think that is where they ought to be looking because I think they can find someone that would upgrade that could go in there and lime up with executive your woods put Jeff heath back into a more of a rotational role. He still going to be important. But maybe you don't have to lean on him as much, and there's just you look at the list names, and it just goes on and you wop fine. All final point. I'm going to say, and we're going to just blow this whole thing. We're going to leave this on a great note. Let's go pay a kicker. I need kicker Matt Bryant sporty three he can start for me. I was I think that that is one, you know, that's the only thing there's a, you know, there's there's some kickers out there. They're all they all they Tom. They always you. Actually, some of them might be older. Yeah. No, Morton Anderson is still active. All right, guys. We're we're done joking with you here. That's all we got for you today. 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Girls Talkin 'Boys: The Athletic's Jon Machota

"What's up guys happy? Friday Kelsey Charles in Megan Murray for girls talking boys. Hello gotta get down on Friday on Q. As always I've gotTa love you for it. CaN'T STOP WON'T STOP. Can't stop won't stop. Which is also a cowboys nation. Twitter cannot stop doing this week and that is talking about. Did you like that? I did like over Sasser. Kelsey cowboys fans cannot stop talking about DAX contract on twitter. If you have not seen which I'm sure you have if you own a computer So word are concerned personally on this show. He's GonNa get signed but it's happening. If Patton. We decided to bring on our favorites cowboys expert and friend John Michelle from the athletic to go ahead and give us his opinion on the matter that we talked about way. More than just one Dakota Preska and his wallet We decided to talk about some really interesting things. Such as his all time cowboys roster which was a spirited conversation and we had to make sure he realized some really important dudes. He left off the list. Every conversation with Jonah spirited so that's fair And then we also dove into truly how this pandemic could potentially impact the league revenue wise but also some implications and trickle down effects. That could happen in terms of players and salary cap in and future contracts as we see it so really interesting to kind of dive deep into the analysis in the business implications Listen to Kelsey and John Nerd out. It really was so sorry in advance but man it was cool loved talking to him about that really gets them going it does it through e e o talk about to beleaguered spirited and can that was sitting over here like. Oh Wow okay okay And then of course we had to bring the cowboys tritter twitter. I knew it was going to mess it up the cowboys. Twitter troll Clayton ten cents seriously though to John in the forefront of the Romo versus dat conversation so we of course three dollars. He asked me a really mean question I did. I had to throw in both of their faces again. You'll be interested to hear all of the discussions around those topics so without further. Ado John Mishota from the athletic. Let's hit it. Hi I'm Ariel Jim. Ross host of the tech podcast resets. And I'm here to tell you about some of the stories. We're following on reset this month stories about how were adapting to the pandemic with a little help from technology and science like what does teach him look like right. Now I can tell you. There's teachers right now. Who have been conducting their phone calls and check INS with students from random parking. Lots just anywhere that you can get. Wi Fi in for folks who can work from home. How that working out now. It's my whole life is conducted via the Internet connection. The pandemic is even changed. What you might think of. Prep IRS were at home. Not GOING TO COSTCO and waiting in line for twelve hours standing next to a bunch of other people. So if you want understand the new normal how science and technology are shaping the way we live during the pandemic listen to reset subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Spotify or in your favorite podcast APP later nerds alright in joining us now. We have John from the Athletic John. Hello Guide Johnny matches. Yes so we're super excited to have John on because obviously he's one of the best reporters around and one of the best reporters on the cowboys. Beat but he's also one of our close friends so we had to harass him and get him on our show this time. So thanks for joining us now. I mean I'm I'm I'm very honored that you guys had some really good gas. Because they're gather kicking button because they're doing a great job. Well you're one of them so welcome to the crew Hold on hold on. Hold on. Oh I'm not I'm not on the level of of Steven from Laguna beach though bands. What I have to say that was hysterical because he literally was falling logging the boys and started liking all of our stuff. I help like the accounts and I screen shot it's to RJ. I was like. I'm sorry is this the Stephen Colletti that I think it is because it is he's I'm sliding in those in those. Em so hard you guys knew. He was a catalyst of that. I think I missed many of those episodes of that show. When I got no me either. I told him I was. I went full fan growing point I was like yeah just so you know fully took a trip to Laguna beach and high school. Just overly meet you so here. We are won't stay and the whole team was fan of it of apparently so. Yeah who was awarded. Who Marion Barber? Yeah well he's very Barbara. Yeltsin said de la are not a democracy where yet he's like friends with D wear like Apparently galls gather your Chil- Marian Barbara used to watch his show. Bunching like was tweeting Hammer. Something or read out in the ended up leading up. What are some point? And then he saw. Did you hear the story about how he saw? Romo out of party Halloween party the by week. Yeah did you say Romo? Watch the show now. Well I honestly yeah you're right. He probably did. I just love that. He was like yeah like I ran into Romo in. La At like a party like celebrities in life for Halloween on by week. And I was like what are you doing? What's like quarterback for next week to football anyways definitely a really random but fun. Guess I have to say John your way up there as well like let's be honest. I appreciate that I don't. I don't think I'm on the level of Steven but I'll pick while we're going to go ahead and start hitting you with some of the really hard hitting questions like we hit Stephen with Let's start with the contract. Let's just Brian. Since everyone's talking about it I mean honestly I can't help but think that if we weren't going through pandemic I mean I guess you would because it's cowboys but it's it's just like all twitter can talk about right now is the debt contract and I've gotta get your opinion as someone who's pretty close to the team and covers it You know we keep. We know the team is the deadline for him. To get the franchise tag or too if you'd be playing on it if they don't have a deal by then there was a report. The most recent report that came out was five years one hundred twenty five billion dollars with forty five million dollars for the finding year. And then we're finding out that maybe that wasn't through and we just WanNa get you to set the record straight on where what's the lay of the land. What's true what's false? And what say you to all those guys that are trying to trade back away and are they going to pay my manse? Well I'll say there's I mean one of the biggest things about the cowboys is it. Just because they're so popular win or lose. There's always there. Everything about them is always going to be talked about whether it's the pandemic or not and so you know my friends from back in Detroit. They'll bring it up all the time they'll be like watching. Nfl Live or something. It'd be like I can't believe like every single one of the show. They have to talk about something. Cowboys related no matter. How small it is and there's just so many things that they don't talk about and I'm just like yeah. That's because there's so much interest in the cowboys and it'll fill segments and so that's why you're going to see everybody talking about something like this every single day and all those shows and and it drives traffic and and they know that they get good numbers and they talk cowboys. Because there's really no middle ground. You either love them or you hate them and so that feeds into all now Chris Simms. A few days ago reported that the the numbers that you said about the thirty five over the first four years and then forty five for the fifth year. And so that's been shot down thin As a Thursday of course recording this this podcast but like. I don't think that that number is really like that. Far Crazy out there. It makes some sense because you know tax side they want they only WanNa four year deal. Which is what Jared Goff did which is what Carson Wentz it which you know a lot of these quarterbacks. They're going to do because they WANNA get back out into the open market as fast as possible particularly after you know Patrick mahomes signs whatever monster deal. He does to reset the market or Lamar Jackson. Right and so the cowboys WANNA do five years. They wanted to five years with Mario Cooper. I mean I mean one of the best deals that the cowboys I mean really the NFL. I've seen over the last whatever decade plus of covering it is really the Tyron Smith deal that they did. I mean to get him for ten years back today. Like that was just amazing. And they'd love to do that with all their star players tank. You Know Amari Zeke. And all that but like their agents. Don't want lock into something like that because they want to be able to get to another contract which makes sense and so basically you know entire signed his deal you were like wow ten million dollars a year. Whatever that's a lot right now but it's not gonna be a lot anywhere near that at the end of his deal so I understand where we're coming from and ultimately that's what I think happens. July fifteenth deadline. I think that's when things heat up I don't see anything for then But I think that that's where the cowboys I could see them giving in and being like all right we wanted five but we'll do it for four years and maybe it comes in around thirty five million you know and so it's like you know I I'm not here to like completely crap on Kristen's report because you know I mean there's a lot of people that put out stuff like that all the time and then so you sit there in the position. I'm in like do I change. This is this is this real. Does this make sense? You know and so some of it does some of it does. I have never heard that that was that was true but I also you know. I don't know who kristen's knows I mean I don't know who he talked to. He said it was the source. So I mean he's the guy that played the NFL You know he works for pro. Football Talkies obviously has connections and things like that so I mean I wasn't quick to just automatically shoot it down but You know I know. I know as we talked before we start recording this that you know you mentioned Kelsey about that Forbes thing and we'll get into that but like I just I find it hard to believe right now that things haven't changed because this pandemic like were you don't know what kind of revenue as a team. You're going to be bringing in this next season. I don't know how you can be committing to A deal that's GONNA make Dak Prescott one of the highest paid players in the NFL. And so I think that up into this point I think it's changed some things. Now you can tell me that. They're going to play a full regular sixteen game season and they're gonNA have fans in the stand then by albeit good nine and give them give them you know making highest paid players in the league but you know if they're Gonna. Start Having Games where you know. The cowboys don't have fans at. At and T. Stadium Man. I'll see Jerry Jones trying to set up a new record on on paying quarterback about going honestly. I love the brought that up because we will dive into that a lot here in a little bit but there are a lot of factors at play in. That was so fascinating about this deal to me. Is that again the franchise tag? They're not gonNA let him go like the. This is not a are we bringing in Cam. Newton type situation like that is not on the table and watch me by words when I make some like claim like that. I really don't see that happening John What's the tag again? It's it's one of the thirty like a little over thirty one million. Yeah I mean it's not quite a you know the thirty for thirty five then. I'm sure you know He. He would like to be paid up in that neighborhood. But it's still a really good one year deal and obviously played really well under one year last year being the final year his contract. So it's crazy because there's a lot of people that would say that. Just take what they're offering you between that and the endorsements that you've built up up up till now and being the quarterback of the cowboys cake that and just go with it but man. I mean I give him a lot of credit because I mean he's really putting it out there because to sit there and you know not give into the cowboys WanNa do you know. That's not an easy thing you know. There's a lot of guys that would do that though. Hey you know this. Isn't Mac Money? But Hey I'm playing for the Dallas cowboys on the Sir quarterback I'm GonNa have a ton of endorsements so let's just get this done. They put a good offense around me but I mean he's playing hardball. I really just shows you. The competency has himself. And it's funny because I'll just I'll share a story. I talked to him about one time at was last season that his locker and I don't remember how we got on the subject but I was just like I was like. Yeah well you know you probably hate. We're talking about. He has a tattoo on his arm. You know where he was drafted a- An inside risk says one thirty five and you probably hate that you felt the one thirty five but I mean I'm from Detroit. I'm telling you right now. You'd much rather be the cowboys quarterback than the Lions quarterback. So it's line take you and like the first round. Whatever like you're with the lions and you're not with the cowboys and with this offense around you and he's like yeah when if you feel like I do and you think like I do as a quarterback. You don't think like that. You think that no matter where you go. You're going to be able to be successful so I think of that all the time when I see people's especially right now talk about how. Oh well what was that? GonNa do if the in the country. If you'RE GONNA go to the open market just signed with any team won't decks mine. He thinking. Go to the Brown and win. You know you might not think that and I might not think that because I know that they're not great situation but he might seriously think that he can go and step in at at the bengals. If they didn't draft your borough in start winning games there you know as a quarterback and as a man that's how you think when you're an NFL player in certainly he's shown you that he believes in himself like that because if you if you even had a shadow of a doubt he would have taken whatever the most recent offer was. That's a great point and honesty with with an agent. He's got the CCA on his side. We we know they're pretty well versed in in negotiating. Some mega contacts. And honestly I mean I can speak from personal experience. I've been on I. I taught many times in the show already. My nine to five is sports marketing. I work specifically with DOC myself in in previous roles. I'm not going to say what I paid him. But I can imagine instances where because of the star power that the cowboys brains. The table there are some players that could potentially at some point in their career. Be Making more or almost as much in endorsements that they would be with the salary from a team so I think that's a super viable point to bring up but that being said John d you feel like that working in playing for the cowboys gives these guys morbid incentive or in your mind makes them more viable. Take no team friendly deal. Do you like that. They should be doing because you see that you see this narrative on twitter who has jalen and Yeah I mean you I mean I L I I wondered. He says all the time on twitter people. He's he's greedy at just. Just take. It's greed a review. But are you buying what people are selling in that regard? I am to a certain extent and again I know you said that you want to get into later. But I'm sorry it's hard for me when you're the Dallas Cowboys quarterback and you're the face the organization and you see these Forbes number that in two thousand eighteen there that they made nine hundred over nine hundred million dollars in total revenue which was three hundred and fifty million dollars more than any other team which the second team was the Patriots who is the dynasty of this current era to be the quarterback of the Dallas cowboys. I'm sitting there. I'm like I by far the most important player on the field. Because I'm the quarterback. I end the franchise quarterback and I see the numbers like that then all of a sudden when you start telling me like you know if you're my Asian you're telling me well you know we're GonNa try and get you like you know thirty forty million dollars or whatever I I can there be like yeah seems like a lot but the organization literally made nine hundred million dollars last year and that and who knows that those numbers are accurate. They could be more. They can be last. But when you factor in the big picture like that for the quarterback I think it's a little bit different you know with Jalen and loud and things like that you know. You're not in that marquee five. You know for Lyle and the best thing that he did was come to the cowboys because he got to play with other top notch offensive linemen and then you know if he would have got drafted he. He would've been picked in the first round. He probably went to a bad team. Who knows how good that offensive line would about? And so he's genuinely enjoy this. You know playing for the cowboys now. Jalen Jalen. Is You know. He's very big into the clear. I view brand doing the sunglasses. He does a lot of stuff marketing wise and so for these individual players. I think each one is is a different case but for guys like Dak. Prescott Ezekiel Elliott. That are the faces of these franchise that you know. It's it's Kinda like that if the cowboys lose the game how many how many if we we hold the roster in front of us after cowboys loss. There's five six guys that you're blaming for that loss before you even get to allow Cowan before you get Jalen Smith unless they just made this huge error like almost all the time. You're going to be going to the Amari Cooper I. The Ezekiel Elliott. The demarcus Lawrence is the Democrats got and then. Obviously you don't Mike McCarthy and then Jerry Jones like so when you're in one of those marquee spot then hey get every dollar you can get banned. The don't want to hear that 'cause they 'cause there's a salary cap but For different positions. I think that there should be a different. You know there should be a different bar. That should be sat and for him. Hey I mean I'm personally I can tell you if you're asking me I would say I would take him. Probably the last deal that was out there and I would be like. Hey I'll take this deal. I'll take my endorsements and there won't be as much pressure on me because once he signs the deal that he signed you know anytime. He has a bad game. People are going to be like. Oh this is. This is our thirty six million dollar quarterback to start thirty five million dollars quarterback he can't incomplete ten passes into the flat like this really does that. Doesn't we got now? You know they're gonNA COMPARE HIM TO. Patrick mahomes compared to more Lamar Jackson. Like so that puts more pressure on you but like. I said he's different than me you know. And that's probably why I never would even if I had allen made it to the NFL and that's why he's gone from a fourth round. Pick to a guy that you know took Tony Romo's job and it started every game and it hasn't back it's crazy L. All Right John. All Bite So you mentioned Mahomes. And if doc plays on the tag this year than yeah the cowboys you have to worry about guys like Lamar Jackson and Patrick. Mahomes who we know that they're pretty. Dang good at what they do and they're going to get. Hey so they risk having those two guys go out and set the market higher than a before and again talking about quarterback markets in and what what people are worse than what they're getting paid. That's a whole different other discussion but basically at its at its core. It's basic economics where a player goes out and he's GonNa get paid more. He says at the markets then the next player's GonNa. He's like well. That's the market for quarterbacks right now even if I'm not as good as you the market is the market so I'm GonNa be basing my negotiate. Stop that but let's also talk about the new. Cba I mean. They came to an agreement in March so if DAX signs his deal the new. Cba says that players are going to get Let me get the exact number. Forty seven percent of all football related revenue in two thousand twenty and forty percent. Twenty twenty one so a lot of football revenue was going to be tied up in media and the teeny rights are renegotiated in twenty twenty two. So I'M DAX team. I'm like okay all that being said I would like my ideal to be shorter because if I can get out and be renegotiated contact at around the same time when the new TV deals are striking. Then I have an opportunity to get a bigger piece of that more formidable bigger piece of Pie that ultimately we are expecting this new team to look so it's a really that in dynamic to be looking at if you will. Yeah no for sure. And that's what people are doing. I mean that's why you know you kind of had the feeling that when he switched agents in and went to CIA that this is what was going to happen like that. I mean especially France France and take bargains. Like he doesn't have you know the the rookie contracts are slotted and he has multiple times have been you know the representative of the player who signed last when like people look at the rookie contract. And it's like well. Yeah you know. He's this guy was the third overall pick. Then his contract should be between this and that's because last year round pick up a business and so I mean he'll fight for every last dollar every little detail in the contract and he's very good at what he does and so that is all being ad in there but but the thing is that you have to remember though even has a player that you're you can sit down you and your agent talk all that stuff over and you can sit there and be like yeah. I WANNA I WANNA get every last dollar like that but then at the same time. There's a Lotta guys that don't want to have this hanging over them. There's a lot of guys that don't want to constantly have to hear about this in the news. There's a Lotta guys probably would have given in already where they're just like. Let's just get it done. Because I'm so sick of hearing about him so thinking about the asked about it like whatever but like he's really not bothered by that and so it's like it's really is a case by case basis. Because you know. There's just there's other. Quarterbacks obviously signed big deals and wasn't drawn out like this and and that's partly because this is the way cowboys you business and I'll be honest with you. I really personally feel like Jerry. Jones doesn't sweat in this at all because he feels like that he's GonNa eventually get something done because really the cowboys have an amazing track record of signing the players that they really WanNa sign and I love when I grew up and people mentioned Byron Jones Robert Quinn. 'cause then I'd just repeat what I just said because it just tells you they didn't really want those guys that like DeMarco Murray. They didn't really want him. That bad after twenty fourteen. They thought they ran them in the ground. They're ready to move on. They really want Dak Prescott and so I feel like just knowing how Jerry Jones and Ben he is just fine with all of this stuff being out there all the time because if not what what everybody's talking about like he's fine with everybody talking about that contract time you know and and that feeds into this too but ultimately when it comes down to it I just. I really feel like that. They're going to get a deal done with him. But I know Fans WanNa like speculate about it and they want to you know worry like are they gonna get this where I just? I ask just who the player that they've really wanted that they get away like there's wide over other organizations where this happened. The cowboys are not one of them. Since Jerry Jones on we'll just add some color commentary to my my notion about the fact that the T. deal is renegotiating in twenty twenty two. There are reports out there as reading an article on CNBC and they were saying that they think that some of the renewal rates could possibly double in size in terms of how much they're going to cost the networks to be purchasing from the League so for example they they`re. They're projecting that Sunday afternoon. Games may double jumping from one billion dollars annually two billion dollars annually and for ESPN. On Monday night football it could go from two billion to three billion so that's not quite double but will jump and I I'm not. I was not aware of what it. What kind of jumps happened in years past when they renegotiated but seems pretty significant? Especially if I'm a player that set to receive a decent portion of that revenue moving forward. Oh yeah no and again I mean I everything you're saying. I guarantee is a big part of what Todd France talks to him. Talk about you know. And then and then it's up. It's like the cowboys have all those Marquis Games. And that's schedule came out. There was a fox exact that was on the Colin Coward. Show talking about how like how those you know. Obviously the prime time game that night or the big deal but the next the next biggest thing. The most watched games are the ones that are those four o'clock games on Sunday because it's the only game in the afternoon and he said that when they were making the schedule this year it was literally. This is their plan for throwing those four o'clock spots three three fifteen here. It was a for sure hall of fame quarterback like like a team with drew brees. Tom Brady for the Dallas cowboys. That's how they went through their making their whole entire Cyrus schedule. Because that's the type of you know I've all did they. Had they attract and so because of that like you factor not stuff like deck is well aware of that and so. But here's here's the thing like I think it's pointing because I understand that people will get bent out of shape about this because it's the salary cabinet affect other players. You can pay but I always laugh at like when people get upset about how much players make him when it's like why do you care? Do you care that you want Jerry Jones to make more money like how does that make you feel better if it's not going to if if it's not going to? Dak It's going to Jerry you know and I know he stephen loved to say that you know. This isn't making the Jones family more money and stuff like that with the salary cap. I and I get that because it is a salary cap and everything is you know. You can only spend so much but at the same time. They can certainly afford to pay back the elite quarterback in the league now whether he plays up to that contract or not is another story. But they're not in a position where they have to talk mobile him because they don't have the money to pay them. Let's put it that way. That's never been issue in cowboys. Land made it rain. So what did you? What did you make us even Jones comic? I can't remember where he was but he even about the analytics behind the they're seeing a paint order back. Pay Him xmatch percent of the salary cap because you could lose. If there's there's analytics say you could lose more games or whatever that was what what what did you make your vast situation that commentary. People really ran away with that one. They really dead though and I was like wait. What he he knows what he's doing that wasn't that wasn't a mistake to even go on. Those radio shows it was on. It was pro football talk and it was a lengthy interview it was. I mean he was on there for a while. It wasn't just to talk about the schedule. Let's put it that way. And so he was at. You know I get Mike Florio credit. He asked him several questions. Dak related and even hesitate like he gave good answers about all of them and one of them was like you said he mentioned that whole thing about you know if they're their analytics that say if you pay your quarterback too much basically you're giving them too much of the pie then there's not a harder on you to be successful. You can't pay the other players around him and you can take a lot of different directions one. You can sit there and say oh. So you're saying that. Basically your franchise quarterback needs all these other weapons around him to help him to be successful. You know so. That's why you need to pay all these other players at an elite level. You need to pay a Mario Zeke. And all these defensive linemen because everything around that needs to be perfect you know. He can't just basically do an Aaron Rodgers where let's be honest in. Rogers doesn't have the town around the deck got does and he obviously went gains. And and he's you know when he's on he's as good as ever played the game but no no. It's funny because he said because their the Dallas cowboys and literally not even a year ago. They gave that huge. Contract Ezekiel Elliott. And if you're an analytic the intellectual tell you Shinde Pan running back so it's like it's just funny that he used that as an example because right away that I mean it soon as I saw that on online I just saw how everyone was blown up about like. Okay well if you WANNA talk about analytics and why did you pay away? You paid him. What do you WanNa talk about analytics? You don't even draft a running back fourth overall. But they did that. Because that's what Jason Garrett wanted and they wanted to do everything they possibly could for Jason Garrett to win obviously didn't work out but it was interesting because like just an example. You know when I go to the combine or you know when I've been to the Super Bowl before any of these times where he around other writers one of the first thing that people always say to me as though be like you know. We'll get our owner. Gee I'm like maybe once a year if we're lucky like maybe one and they're like you Jerry Steven like multiple times per week than they do all these radio interviews and stuff like that and it's like it's great for me because there's always something going on but at the same time there's party that's just like can you guys show out or maybe just a month maybe a few weeks or something but they know exactly what they're doing they want like. I said the Jones family is just fine with the contract. Being the number one story in sports they love that they love it. Jerry has said it before is long as it's not like a rest you know like like or guys get in car. Like the Josh Brent relation as long as it's not things like that Jerry does not care he is from a you know any any news is good news type you know within reason And and it and it lifts all boats. He'll say because it makes it just extends the brand it gets people talking about the Dallas Cowboys. Even when the cowboys aren't doing anything they haven't been in the Super Bowl twenty five years but box exact. They're talking about how they're the Marquis Games they have to have on. Tv You know with working what they do the constantly putting themselves out there at the same time though it also kind of bog things down in like where you out 'cause especially if you're a young player like and you're not used to this you know You might not want that distraction. But he seems to be just fine with it because like I said he didn't have the same pressures on him all of last year and he wasn't making anywhere close to the thirty one thirty two million dollars. You'll be making this season. Yup while you love to see it in terms of the marketing from someone like myself. I'm like yeah. That sounds about right. Show me the money but I want to kind of I'm so fascinated fascinated by this You mentioned Florio. And you know I think there's a lot of implications around the pandemic and what can happen with revenue in the total teams? That they're in the League. They're facing You tweeted out Article Day from Forbes and they actually said that the NFL could lose up to five point. Five Billion Dollars in stadium revenues. That's going to be coming from sources like tickets. Concessions PARKING TEAM STORES SPONSORS. That MAKES ABOUT THIRTY. Eight percent of the total revenue. And then you go read and talked about the cowboys you know. It's funny because it's great to talk about the cowboys. Being one of the most valuable franchises in the world but I guess it Kinda sucks right about now because it seems like you have more to lose. It does know there's and there's no question about that. I was stunned when I saw that article because I couldn't believe that they brought that much money in on just game revenue because there's only eight home games you know. And then that's not counting. If there's like a playoff game in that take hey no no absolutely. It's funny you say that 'cause I hear that from so much so many fans like they'll be like no. I love the experience. I Love the stadium. Like it's it's it's great. I mean anytime I've ever had friends down here in like when my parents have visited. I've always gotten tickets. So they can go and they you know what they have to compare it to is generally like you know like lying games. The Tigers game things like that from Detroit and they came down and like they are all like blown away. Like I can't believe that they played games in this place all year round but are every every week. This is their homes their home venue but at the same time. It's like yeah but look at what they're charging like I mean one of the biggest. Gripe that people will say and it's and it's true if you really run the numbers on this like to go to cowboys game like for a family. It's almost like the price of what you would pay to go on vacation like. It's it's crazy the parking with the hotdogs that the Margaritas whatever. You're going to get you know if you buy a shirt. Whatever the price of the ticket like. It's just it's so crazy but even with that though. I just couldn't believe that that they were making that much more money than other places and one of the biggest reasons why I feel that way is because it's not like the Cowboys Stadium. Holds Two hundred thousand people and all the other stadiums hold twenty thousand like I mean. Yeah it's like in the eighties nineties but it's not like anything that like other stadiums are just so far away. I couldn't believe that it made so much money just off at home games. That's the biggest thing that stood out to me and the other one was just how far ahead the cowboys are then the Patriots because I would think the Patriots are just coming up me watching this. You know I'm sure you guys watch to the last dance documentary and just how the money was being printed in Chicago off of the bowl. I mean they got a new stadium because of because of Michael Jordan and the success in the ninety. So I figure that the money's rolling in New England the same exact way for patriots like everything and the cowboys are still ahead of them is just. It's it's crazy because there's so. Many people have jumped on the Patriots Bandwagon. Over the last fifteen twenty years and the the fact that the fact that they're bringing in more money just and home games and all these other teams are making for an entire season. I was I was stunned by that. Like I found that unbelievable. And you know it's one thing I wanted to mention about you saying about the numbers like I always find it fascinating to whenever I tweet out the Forbes list of like the most valuable franchise and like cowboys fan law being that number one spot you know and it's like it's just kind of crazy because it's like it doesn't get them anything other than the notoriety that you know. You're the Dallas cowboys owner Jerry Jones above it Charlotte Jones who love it's even Jones and Jerry. Junior love it but like it's crazy like fans take a lot of pride net But at the same time you'd think that if you were up there and you had that kind of money that you'd have you know a couple of super bowl run. Slow had to get that in there. Did you Johnny? Don't remind me So for perspective. John Keeps talking about Cowboys Patriots are one in two so cowboys team stadium revenues. You mentioned earlier on six hundred twenty one million total revenue nine hundred fifty million New England patriots number two spot coming in at three hundred and fifteen million team stadium. Revenue and six hundred million total revenue. So that's almost half of the Team Stadium. Revenue in terms of the second spot. Next runner ups. Nothing pretty as you said outstanding difference but I also WanNa talk about the fact that me again as someone who works for the team. It's and again fans will gripe about this or it's the cowboys have always been more than just a football team. They offer events. They are near tainted brand. If you will so I can't help but think about the money they'll lose from tours is special events and things at the star. I mean it's. It's so much more for this team. Revenue wise than just the team. So that's an interesting thought about it to oh I was thinking about that during the draft. I mean you know I live pretty close to the star and so I live out. You know few hours for the draft like all go up to the the star and see what it looks like a couple of pictures. 'cause I knew there wouldn't be many people up there and I just think about the previous drafts when I've been up there and it just like that whole like tostitos plazas just filled with people watching like they're running people inside. They're having advance inside for people to do stuff and watch the draft. Obviously all the shops there and everything people I mean it just packed for like a draft and I just think of other teams. Like whose real has this going on for them. Know the cowboys no question you know. One of the biggest reasons like the brand. The brand is amazing. Like you know if if I had bought the team in nineteen eighty nine and not even know what I was doing. The cowboys would be at least middle of the pack at worst but Jerry Jones is taking it to another level because these I mean his. I mean you can say whatever you want about Jerry Jones the GM Jerry Jones. The owner is a genius. There's no question about that. And so no they find a way to monetize everything and and make money out all this stuff but you you still have the fans to be interested in or people aren't GonNa pay the money and it's crazy because you know how it is when you're out there at the star during the season there's always tours going through there and that's like one of the first things that new players will talk about is just like they really do this all the time like they just summarize through. Yeah no they're doing this all the time like the whole like shine of the star has not worn off the people come out there all the time and I just don't see that demand being there for so many other teams but again even with that I did not think that their revenue would be that much higher than all these other teams and so I'm a decent amount during the draft but And probably more than obviously other teams because the other teams are doing these events. But it's nowhere near what they'll lose. It appears if they don't have fans in the stands. So what does that mean? Does that mean that? Like of all teams. It seems like the cowboys knowing that are going to go out of their way to you know. Maybe they won't make where every single seat can be sold but maybe they make it to. Where like there's a certain number of people that can every section and so instead of having ninety thousand of the game? Maybe they find a way to configure the stadium so that maybe you know fifteen. Twenty thousand people can be there or something. I don't know but it certainly seems when you look at those numbers and that's what matters to very wealthy people at the end of the day. It seems like anyone's going to try to get fans in the stands it will be the Dallas cowboys so Again forgive me for nerdy out because this is kind of what I do but I just find again. This also fascinated me and it's something that I'm living in my daily job in work life as well because I am a sponsor not for the cowboys. I'M NOT GONNA speak specifics about like who I'm dealing with. But this is a very real thing in you know. It's not just the teams losing money. It's it's it's sponsors like myself and we're like wow contractually speaking you know. We've we've based our our payments to you off of Xyz and whether that's attendance whether that's access whether that's activation on the ground whatever it is and most of this is not even happen anymore so A lot of times. We're looking for make goods. We're looking for refunds partially bowl whatever that may be There's also things like force majeure into play where Obviously this pandemic is is what will qualify in the legal world as an act of God and a lot of these venues and events are waiting for the local governments to say no. You can't do this. Because then they're not held liable from an insurance perspective to pay me back my money or to you know whatever because they're not technically Going back on their contract is not fall. So it's just a really really really interesting position to be at and to see kind of play out I sure and yeah I mean I think I this out the other day when he tweeted this article I was on the call at work with a pro team commissioner and again not the cowboys but he made a comment. Who's like yeah? I mean listen. Seventy seven percent of my team's revenues from the fans and thirty percent is from TV immediate deals. And so you know. I'm personally looking to try and work with my player to make more team. Friendly deals now. I don't know if that's possible out on God's that he was in Albi so I'm not sure if that's even possible NFL. Because I don't you know I feel like that's you can't quarter player and you're like hey thanks for signing a contract we. Let's let's renegotiate real quick for this year because I'm in a tough spot but I definitely seeing more creative solutions. Bhai ownership in in league leaders if you will on how they're gonNA approach the coming seasons. If if and when they can happen I will say that. The difference with baseball is that you know they. They don't have the salary cap. Some of these guys can get paid astronomical amounts of money reason why you can get that money back because you just have so many home games you know when you're gonNA have You know eighty one home games. You know you can make a lot of money off that if you have good players and and so that's a little bit different you know. Hey there's a lot of people that say. Why would jerry be one of the front runners on wanting a salary cap? Why wouldn't you want to keep it like it wasn't a ninety s where you could sign you know? M. Charles daily Indian Sanders and just load the roster knowing without spend him. Why would he want it that way? Well for times like this and it kind of makes sense because there is a cap so there's only so much that you have to pay the players so it works out for the owners and and one of the reasons they did. That is because it's best for the NFL if there really aren't any terrible teams like the NFL does not want anyone to only win. Three games or two games or they want to be around seven or eight when nine maybe ten and then all battling all the way down to the end of the season because they went off to fan bases to be in it at all times. Well that's just not how it is in baseball. I mean if you drop out in the first you know monk month and a half the season like your fans aren't really going to be still showing up like they might every once in a while is GonNa Friday night or something like that or like give giveaway night or something that they might be interested in but like it's not like the NFL were just like it's so sad and so I don't think it'll get to that level with the NFL and the NFL was really been a good spot because of the fact of when this has happened. They didn't have to. You know they didn't have games going on and you could still do a draft the way they did it. You could still be a free agency you know but it'll be interesting because you hear the the you know the the stories the rumors. Whatever about how that there could be you know. A second wave of this. That comes back Of Their Corona virus. Where you know it might hit in September October right when they start up gains so like they go into this thinking like. Oh this is all behind us. By the time we get to September like they gotta be ready that okay. What if we go out on the field and in one of these players and I want to get too far into this because there's a takeaway another direction but one of the things I've been thinking about a lot is like I think the field at these stadiums are filthy? Yeah I think it's discussing so gross don't know how are you washing that? I remember one time. I remember one time. One of my buddies was down here before which? Tigers Ranger's game I was like. Hey let's go. We'll go do the tour at and T. Stadium and we go and and my friend He. He was a good soccer player. He's like well. We were able to go on the field. I brought it football because I figured we'd be able to and so. He was kicking field goals barefoot. And somebody that worked there came up to us and was like. Hey you gotta put your shoes on. 'cause there's like broken glass stuff here from parties stuff that they'll have and they'll have like you know different events and sound just like this is the field that the place. Larry we serious right now. There's something about those field that I'm just kinda like there's only so much you can do to make that play state and so when I think of eighteen thirty I'm just like what are you doing. Keep THAT FIELD CLEAN. Effort Games ever guys have been puking and bleeding on this field. You're just rolling it up. Like how do you keep that thing clean like you? I mean it's just there's those little rubber pellets. How can you clean that? So that's I'm going down a different road but it's just it's crazy to think that like you know that there aren't any more complications as we go forward now. I mean I think it's a valid point because also like I think I think it was Adam Silver. That was talking. He was like I feel like if we come back. We have to be under the assumption that some of our guys need to know that they're there they could likely get sick and like we'll do whatever we can but like. This is a very real possibility. If we come back play in like I have to imagine. That's going to be across the board like week because we we don't we won't have a vaccine by by the fall and you know. I think or seeing community spread something that happens not to mention leaser contact sports and I don't know I don't know how you can be a hundred percent sure that you can be safe playing and not getting potentially infected. I don't know I really never thought about the field before. Now keep getting out of my head. Thanks John Seriously. I think they're I mean now the cowboys. I think they're on their on their second for sure. It might be the third field since they opened the stadium in two thousand and nine. I know that they have at least changed out. One that they're out to a new one and and they're feel changes quite a bit because of all the different events they have their And I'm sure there's some way that they clean it. I don't know that whatever way that they've been it is GonNa be what's GonNa meet protocol you know now like different if you have a field it's outdoors and natural grass and you and at least can be have rain and things like that. I don't know what that does. It kills any anything or not but it just seems a lot. It seems a lot safer than this. Basically carpeting that you roll up and enroll back out there. Yeah just get a really big can of Lysol. Yes spraying everywhere. If anyone can find that Jerry can I have the But I we. We were kind of down that happy because we were talking about the fact that like there's other ways this team makes money but I want to touch on real quick before he before we move on again. I'll stop nerdy. I swear you guys but I issue so she's mine. I am lying The fact that that the the salary cap so we talked about how the teams be impacted. Monetary wise naked lose a lot of revenue. But that means the league's losing revenue. Which as I referred to earlier the new. Cba deal these players are make money based off of how much league generates so that ultimately is is going to impact the salary cap because the salary cap is by the money made by made the teams by the fire year. So if there's no if there's no NFL or if there's limited in foul what would that do to negotiations? Or what does that do to the money available to pay these players in twenty twenty one? Or what if there's no codge? The ballers is group of all but maybe zero solution in place where the NFL could make up the money to be able to still keep the salary cap flat like. Is that something that we should be concerned about? You think I mean yeah to a certain extent just because there's so much that we don't know right now and that they don't know because you know from the sound of it at least from people that I've talked to. It seems like their their goal is our hope is that. Hey we're going to be able to have a season and even if there is You Know Corona virus comes back and it comes back stronger And you have to suspend games and things like that you know. There's the to. They could move their season back in where you don't have the Super Bowl until say march or April or something like that and you could go a month without a season like because of the way that the NFL structured and again like teams only have play Sixteen Games not like baseball basketball hockey. There's a little bit of. They have a little bit more wiggle room there and so while. I don't know that it'll have this enormous effect. I do think it's enough that it will make someone like Jerry Jones kind of hesitant about like. I don't know we really need to get this deal done right now. Like but to. Let's do the franchise tag evaluate where everything goes not just with the team but also you know this corona virus that we have no idea no control over. Let's see where that goes. And if we're able they have fans back in and things like that and then we'll you know we'll we'll go look at our contract after that and then see where we should pay him from that but you know. I don't honestly I. I have no idea how that will impact like the rest of the players. You know like I. I don't see how it could affect the rookie pool. But it might you know and I don't know the other big contracts that the cowboys have. I like coming up like none of them. Come close to Jack and so the dock one is is the number one thing that that I think about But I don't know how our affect other people. I don't think anybody really does I. Hope is that have a season even if it is only twelve games even if it is doesn't get ended until March you know that there will have something and if they have that something even if there aren't fans in the stands at least have the money you make off the TV. So I firmly believe that some of the best twitter is not actually the content on twitter but in the replies. And as you know you have to report about. What's happening with the quarterback in the latest congregations In one of my one of our friends bobby. Bell is The King of trolling you in all other people that talk about that and he likes bring up. Romo a lot. So I'm and I'm GonNa ask you to the answer The hypothetical question of the of the cowboys twitter troll culture Could Romo in your mind have done better with this group of offensive weapons? Let's start with this year like after you have. Cd So we'll give him. We'll give 'EM CD to yes or no right. Does he okay? Is he his current age or is he young? Romo let's Let's steal two thousand four. Romo fourteen not for two thousand two thousand fourteen or thirteen I'll I would say I would say if you could tell me that he was gonNA play Sixteen Games and stay healthy. I think he would put up. Bigger numbers Now when I say that I also I think it's very close what I'm getting at. Because there's there's a certain element of Romo that yeah he wouldn't make a Lotta huge plays but also with a lot of weapons like that. Sometimes there would be the interceptions that would cost them games as well so. I mean there's a lot of different factors that go into that but if you're giving me a hypothetical I would probably take Romo but the it's such a hypothetical because of the fact that I I just fascinates me how fans just throw out the injury south. Like t onis at a point now where he needs to go to character all the time just to go like he was at a point where it was only had one back injury like this reoccurring and with dad like spent four seasons and he wants to play. He's been there started every game. All Sixteen for Four Seasons. Like it's almost it. It kind of miserably. This will really annoyed that Romo Fan. But they don't go manning a little bit like when Romo's then thousand. He lives in his bath. I think Romo is is a better player than Eli Manning. They're both playing at their bus. But you can say. Oh No I. I'm with you. How about you're saying that you were agreeing. That aligned meeting is a better player Romo no just made a facial expression so I was like okay with the hot take I am in I. No no no no. No no no no. I'm not saying I'm not saying that. You live manning's better I he's had two years that were better than any two years that Romo Habit. If we're looking at the entire body of Work Romo is a better player but I will say that. It does add value to manning resume that like he was always there starter. There's something about not having to worry about a backup player at the Mo- would I believe is the most important position of sports and so that deserves credit for that. The I mean. Obviously you know the way he's built and he's a younger Guy Than What Rama. Wasn't twenty fourteen But it certainly. It can go either way but if you're telling me that he's GonNa play the Games they're going to be healthy and he's GonNa play like twenty fourteen. Romo then. I'm going to take that because that Romo I thought was he was worthy of the MVP consideration. I didn't think you should have got. Mvp But he could be in the conversation that you're because that was. He was just outstanding that year. So yeah if you give them that team and then you mix CD lamb. Yeah for sure But at the same time like four years in I. I don't know that Raimondo's where Dak is right now and so. The injury thing is is the biggest one that that makes me laugh about the whole. Tony Romo got debate because it was to the point where Tony was having a hard time even staying healthy for back to back games. I mean it was. I mean it was clearly. It was there that it was written. It was time for him to move on because of his help. I mean it just like the quality of his life was was being affected if he kept going out there and it was. It wasn't just the back really. I mean there was the collarbone stuff and there were a few other things but I just you can't you have to factor that in because you didn't know you didn't know if you were going to have him for all sixteen games you know and it's not like you know it's not like you you just figure. Oh well he'll play twelve win all twelve with those and if he misses four then the Sogo twelve and four like I mean it's the NFL there's great parity in this league like the guarantees. So you know I. I don't know I don't know how much better he would have been But but that has a huge advantage in the fact that he hasn't missed a game yet I know he was hurt last year for a little bit but pretty valuable when you never. You never miss a game and you can always be there in. The team can count on that. You're always going to be the starter. There aren't Mount Sinai. Your big data I. I was probably a little too on the fence for you there but I just. I'm one of these people that this is my job. And this is my life and you guys know me like I really don't have much of a life other than covering this team and your life. Oh I hate I hate hot. Takes that don't take in consideration other things and they're just a one sided like pay debt. Well it's not that easy like there's two sides you can't just give him whatever he possibly want. You still have to pay other guys on the team. There's very rarely are are especially in sports but it's really in life in general they just one side you can take on second you have to give out all the factors and then. I can make a decision like that but it's just not very rarely in football at least not since I've been covering the Dallas cowboys very cut and dry yet. This is what you do in this situation. No this this is the answer here. You there's a lot of factors that go into this and so you know Dak Prescott. Pretty Damn good. He's been on the twenty fourteen Romo level but. I don't know that there are many years that Tony Romo played on the twenty fourteen brummel level. So they're giving me that guy and he's GonNa Play Sixteen. I'll take that guy so make your big fan and I know your big romance. I'M GONNA make you too between your Tucson Syr Hugh. Yeah so I need you to choose between two sons and tell me which one you would pick in. Who Do you think would perform better with this? That occur offensive weapons. I want you. I'm a narrator phase right now. It's miserable honestly the rudest in you've ever God. It's hard to argue with the fact that he has a glass collarbone. I'm going to have to say ooh she. She's spoken. She has spoken. That was that was made by the way like I think I think I think Tony is a more gifted passer like. I don't think that anybody would argue that But there's just certain things that that Dak does whether it be as mobility durability His leadership just the way. He is obviously the fact that he was able like things. Don't seem to bother him. Like you know outside noise and seem to bother him. I there's just you know it's like as much as as good. As Roma was in. Twenty fourteen was fantastic. I remember that season. It was like yesterday just because of how fun it was covering that teen. How is was amazing and so I can understand where the Romo fan still think about that. And they're like yeah. Tony was here. We would have wanted to your boat. We would have been. We'd be better and all that well that's pretty damn good too and and I've said before and I still believe that. I think that will eventually take the cowboys to a super bowl like I do. Think he's on that level like I think he's good enough quarterback to take them to a super bowl so you know obviously if that happened. Then that's really gonNA why the Die Hard. Romo fans the bobby belts out there. Even though that's the joke because bobby doesn't feel that way. He knows how many people are going to be drawn. Up between sets up. Obviously if he gets them to a super bowl that ends everything. But you know that that's probably what it'll take but you know when I first got on this beat I already sent. I got the feel for that. Anyway because people already wanted to you know when Roma was plying. They wanted to put him already like there are people that there are people. I think he's better than Troy. Aikman that you know that he might be the best quarter I've ever had. So you're never gonNA win these arguments because there's always something that takes it to a level where you're just like okay. Pump the brakes. It's like yeah. He's a good player. But let's not. Let's not be ridiculous here and there's something to be said to about the fact that like he's not done yet he's gotten better. Every year is passing wasn't a key part of his game until last year. And now you have more weapons like hey you could be swinging the ball better than Tony before you know it. It's possible you guys act record and here's one of the. Here's here's here's one of the If if if you're on the fence about Dak here's one way to look at it in terms of you're on the fence on deck. Then you're definitely one of the people that don't WanNa pay him a lot of money but let alone one of the highest paid players in the League. The way you have to look at it is really. It's got it. You got the boy. Comparison come up with is Seattle with Russell Wilson Russell Wilson. I got to Seattle. You know he was. He was bus driving. He was in the guy that was sitting there. They had this just a dope defense. That was as good as there was for a long time in the league. And he just had a not mess it up and make key throws here and there and but it got to a point where they couldn't keep paying everybody on defense. And so you know. Russell Wilson steadily improving. He certainly is a I mean. He's one of the best quarterback on the best players in the league right now. He was not that way when he first came in the league. It took some time to get to where he's at. I don't know that I don't know the deck will ever be as good as what. Russell Wilson is right now. But I don't think that that is that ridiculous of a possibility and if it gets to that level you look at Seattle right now and they don't have anywhere near that lesion boom defense that they used to have and Seattle is still in the mix every single year and the biggest reason is real all you could say p Carol. But it's really Russell Wilson. Yeah I mean you're not wrong and I mean again. We won't have too much of this but Pete Prisco came out with the top hundred players and cowboys had seven of 'em Dacca's number forty six and the only quarterbacks are ranked higher than bag mahomes Wilson Lamar Jackson Aaron Rodgers. Drew Brees Tom Brady so Wilson Russell. Wilson's on that list and I would say me personally. I feel like he's at his current state. I mean I don't know I'M GONNA throws me out there. I think he's a little bit on the bottom half of that list of quarterbacks suitor in front of him So I could totally see that happening. I never I'd see those lists like like like take out the other players and like let's just make it just about the quarterback because I'm that was the thing I remember when I was at the Dallas Morning News this time of year when there's not a lot going on like it was great quarterback rankings wide receiver rankings running back because the more players that you talk about the more the more complaining the more arguing people. WanNa to do and so the big one with deck is like okay. There's some that think he's the top five quarterback there's others that think he's closer to fifteen and you know what on any given game you can make an argument for either side and again it goes back to where? I was saying earlier like just so not cut and dry like you can't just sit here and say okay. This guy is the seven best quarterback in the league. But it doesn't really work like that because it's so fluid especially at that position because they get way too much credit and they also get way too much blame and so you know. I'm fine if somebody thinks that that. Is You know atop you know six or seven quarterback in the league. That's fine if somebody thinks he you know somewhere between you know twelve thirteen fourteen. Maybe fifteen you know. Middle of the pack. That's fine to the ones are are the are like the fans that annoy me. That are like the eastern start. They should let Andy Dalton like be like. If you don't think back better than Andy Dalton I just. I don't. I don't even want to have a discussion. It's fine. We're just not gonNA agree on this like best chance to win this year's with Dak Prescott. Yeah I just I can't. I can't get in get into that. Like they got a great backup it one of the best back of depend a long time but this is the Prescott team. Okay so please. Don't give me this like always been top twenty and things like that. I mean come on gone. That's beautiful you can do said it any better so we talked about over many. I WanNa talk about some other former cowboys players You had a really cool post the other day on the twitter dowse cowboys all time. Starting lineup I want to talk about it and you also got some interaction from a former cowboys. Great who made this list. So if you don't mind I'm going to read the road quickly for those didn't see. It's on John's twitter Timeline but we'll go offense for so offense all-time starting lineup for The Dallas. Cowboys quarterback starbucks Running back Emmitt Smith. Wide Receiver Bob Hayes Mike Urban Drew Pearson Tidy and Dais whitten right tackle. Rayfield guard on the right side. Zack Martin Center. Thomas Frederick left guard Larry Allen left tackle Tyron Smith. Let me switch to defense. And then we'll discuss D. N. Charles He D. Tackle Bob Lilly. Randy white on the other side rushing. You've got demarcus ware. Linebackers Chuck Howley Leroy Jordan. Horner's Mel Renfro Dion Cornell Green and safeties cliff Harris and Darren Woodson so I'd love to hear what the inspiration of this was and then May I know I'm sure you have some. I have some opinions and I know I saw some people. I I'm GonNa go ahead tell you one opinion you left out Dan Dailey. Som- upset about that. We'll you also left out the goat. Jeff there's that but we'll let you talk first so ESPN has been putting out a Nba thing the last couple of days. And it's the they're they're having their NBA writers. Go through every team and put what would be their all time starting lineup and so I was just looking at A. I don't know like it. Kinda got me going Arguing with some friends about some people that were on there and so was like you know I need to do a cowboys on like that and again one of the reasons I did that is because like I said whenever you're doing lists like this like especially in the off season go more people you can have in there. The more names more whatever the more debate there will be in the moral people draw people outside so real. The safeties are just when anybody says anybody whenever anybody says the at any other than those who safeties that was like one of the easiest editions. Okay like Darren. Woodson like he's not. He's not in the hall of fame we should be. He's got to be on that. Clip Harris is going in the hall of fame. Let's stop with with with any of the other ones but another one that really annoyed me and this just because again. Don't have life so last week. I watched Five super bowls over again that the cowboys won lot of changeover. Checking their people stock with Gino. Checks should be in their over. Jason Witten Dan Novacek was a really good player and they through the tight end a lot. More than chain of Jason. Witten was on knows nineties cowboys team. They it's not like they wouldn't have still won three superbowls. They're like Jay. Novacek won three superbowls. Okay Jason witten would have won those three suit. You don't think Jason Win with Troy Aikman Michael Irvin Emmett Smith. Darrell Johnson Win. Win Super Bowls and come on now I understand that the you know. It's fresh in their mind. He wasn't the same with the last year. Okay that's fine but let's not be made eleven promos staff of that I will say I'm open to people on Mark. Step Nasty to be the center over Travis. Frederick because he was a senator during the glory nineties. And that's fine it's debatable again. Same argue with me. You can't sit here and tell me that. Travis Frederick was the center on that on that offensive line that they wouldn't have still won the super bowl so please don't bring the Super Bowl. You know argument with me. A lot of people want to argue about between Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach. And I'm fine with that day. Take Your Pick I. I won't argue their way on that one And then there's a lot of people saying that they're almost Johnson should have been on their Tony. Dorsett well I wanted to have the three wide receivers and then obviously I didn't have Dez Bryant. So people are up in arms about that. Because he's got more touchdown receptions and anybody in cowboys history but the three guys I have in there are two of them. Already in the hall of fame and Bob Hayes and Michael Irvin in Drew Pearson's eventually going to get in there and all those guys are in the reign of honor like there's still like I don't know but that does like obviously does had highlights. That are probably better than any of those guys individual highlights but. I can't sit there. It's like it'd be really put in there if they didn't if the heck cowboys didn't have the history that they had like there's just a lot of debating at the wide receiver position the cowboys. We've had some amazing receivers. There was no slight that Dez Bryant like he deserves to be in the argument. But I don't think three hall of Famers is like anything bad you know And then there'll they're almost Johnson was on those three teams but I didn't feel like putting in a fullback and in in two running backs in and for me. Is it over. Tony Dorsett I have. I don't care what anybody says about that. One Tau Oh you. Don't Okay Ed you tell Jones. I'm fine with you. Went on the defensive line but the markets where was a beast and he would be a beef in any generation any era he would have on anything. I mean he was on a defense. That didn't have anywhere near the that some of those doomsday defense. Had some of those nineties defense is had. I mean demarcus. Ware was a be Charles Haley. They don't win those three superbowls. They don't add Charles Haley. It's ridiculous How much of an impact that guy had? I know? We didn't have the longest day but as the deserve to be on there. That was the one thing I saw people like. We'll dion on. Are you really call him a cowboy? I was like we'll be called Charles Yelich counter. You gotta call the Cowboy People. Say Jeez Lo we'd people. Well I I can. I can understand that to a certain extent because of the fact that like one of the things that annoyed me is you know I grew up as a fan at the bad boys Detroit Pistons and so it just was weird to me when I was looking at. Espn wanted the dentist. Robin on those bulls teams. But you can make yard. 'cause like Dennis Rodman played for. I think it was seven years with the Piston titles but he only played three with the Bulls but they did win. Titles all three of those years and so I can understand why he's on there just it was when I saw it. It just kind of like to me. Dennis Rodman will always be a pissed. Piston you know. I don't I won't think Dennis Rodman as a bowl so I can understand where people have their own beliefs and they have their own guys that they like and and that's fine with me. You know but I was just such an elite corner. When he was with the cowboys he was. You know those are the best years. Some of investors was the forty niners too but He was he was just such an amazing player. I it's hard for me to put him on there But I understand. People are the ones that people debate about. Everson walls guy led the league in interceptions for three different years in the eighties. Hey I'm fine with that. Maybe he should have been on there but Please don't come here with Jay. Novacek over Jason. Witten got no time for that. So Mag what. Were your thoughts. Don't come don't go with the Jay Novacek though. Don't go near them already. Johnson honestly I thought it was perfect. I don't I don't really have a point contention other than like I said Go Jeff Heath is not on there but you know other than that okay. Yeah I agree with you. I feel like the one that I really thought was missing. Joseph Randall That was a really really bigness on my on no but overall I mean the the I want him to steal the spotlight o man. You're good for one. Every show by friends impressing really is. I've never on hold on. Hold on hold on hold on what what else. What else does he said? It's on the level of that. Oh I been listening John. I know she's like literally she so witty. I usually like do the are outdoors. I usually do a plan regarding whoever was just on there so yeah and I just looked at her and I'm Mike. I agree right now and then we have. I'll pull together a compilation. That's what I'll do for you guys accomplished of. Meg's best because she's already had him highlights in our on our short tenure as girls soccer boys so just start highlight reel coming. Don't worry is No I really did. I was telling agreeing with you. I thought the Nasty Conversation Obviously that's going to be a big point of contingency I think I might have gone letroy over staubach. I don't know it's pretty interchangeable. Like you mentioned he saw the Dez instead of Bob Hayes conversation to Moose of course But Yeah for real. You Forgot Dan. Bailey and also LP ladder who? I'm pressures in playing for the cowboys even before Jerry on the team so I think those are your two main Mrs in my personal opinion outside of so clear where I stand on your. I just want you to feel embarrassed. Well it's okay. I would deal what I could comment though because I saw some tone replied that. His Ruben Rosas said He said is interesting. As of last year there were four guys on office to were on the roster on the defensive side. Where was the last player to be active? Did you I mean I think that's actually a pretty interesting new conversation in comment to like. Why do you think that is near my this? Is it that you've you played at the nature of winces defense like stopping Great Monte? Kiffin didn't come in and in the world on fire now. Unfortunately he didn't do it for us. Well no I mean it's it. I mean it has a lot to do with Jason Garrett and that's just that you know You know two thousand eleven. Okay that Jason Garrett's first draft and they had a really pivotal moment right there. You know a lot. A lot of people talk about At least five people that I respect that had been covering the League for a long time to talk about like. Oh I had a new head coaches first draft pick you know and how important that is kind of. Set the tone you know. And that's why I look at McCarthy. I'm CD LAND. That the damn good first draft pick have To look back on and so in two thousand eleven Jason Garrett and the Kabul one retired and Smith and obviously that's a great pick. You know it's got a good chance that being the hall of fame one day but that pick came down to Tyron Smith and JJ WATT and depending on which way you wanted to go there. That was probably going to be the identity. Your team going forward and Jason. Garrett is an offensive guy so he was going to go with the offensive guy and ever since then it was built as an offensive first team. And it really. It was like that was Romo. I mean this team to the cowboys have right now minus minus Amari. And you know that's really it Best team was built for. Romo the back end of Romo's career to be great on offense. They built that offensive line. To protect. Romo brought Zeke. Because we're GONNA another elmo element for Romo you know. That's the way this team was built. They were spending all these high round. Pick than on on offense players. They weren't doing that on defense. And so it I was going to be in a great situation for back because again like when I was talking to him about one thirty five instead. Yeah you didn't make the money that you what is the first round pick by you. Go to the cowboys and you step in with a great offensive line. You Get Zeki rally behind you you at Dez Bryant. Jason Witten like the team. It had invested so much in the offense and so it is interesting that that. I didn't even plan on having that many current or recent players on that list on the offense but it is one of those things to where it's like you can say what you want about. Jesus guarantees the head coach. And I know there's a lot of criticism they there's like. They drafted really well and he was a part of that because he had a lot of and who those guys were offensively because he wanted to build like those nine. You've cowboys. The problem was is that they weren't able to add the players on defense that the nineties cowboys were and so that will that will probably always be. Charlton. Wasn't that bad. Yeah I mean I'll be honest at the time I didn't hate it like I was like. Yeah they need. They need a defense event. And I knew that Rob Manelli wasn't gonNA be in the T. J. Watt because they just fitting his scheme but you know You Know Rob Rob going to get a lot. Because it doesn't look like Tristan Hill is the guy they thought he was and Taco Charleston. Obviously didn't work out. But you know I deserve credit for demarcus Lawrence. That's the second round pick that is played certainly like a guy that could easily been drafted in the top ten and so he deserves some credit for that one but You He deserves his is criticism to again. Like it's not you know. I'm not going to give him all the blame but you know their defense is not being better. Is the reason why they really didn't go any further than they did. Or well I for one love this list and I know you are actually working on compiling some other interesting questions for any of the cowboys fans out there. Who are interested in playing with the hypotheticals or even just giving your opinion on the current or previous state of affairs. So John Tells about what you're working on currently over there on the athletic in this Survey you have out there in the streets so They're just always seems to be going on with the cowboys recently. So I haven't had a chance to get one of these but a lot of the other Writers cover. Nfl teams athletic. As and. Finally I got to I heroes like I gotta do one of these. I know cowboys fans will love Doing this it'll be interesting to see the responses and so it's kind of like all over the map in terms of like it's not just about this year's team You know I thought about doing that. Like maybe just have twenty questions about now when I was like I at thirty five questions about. It's about half and half for about the current team. Hasler historical And I don't know it's kind of fun and I'll I'm GonNa go through all the Results in the next day or so and then I'm gonNA write an article next week about kind of You know what the findings were. And I've looked at some of the numbers already and there's some really fascinating things so like way. That people voted on some things like one of our guys right now. That's like almost it's almost exactly twenty five percent. Twenty five percent twenty percent twenty five percent is what would the kind you guys men just to get your opinion. What would the cowboys have done? If in twenty fourteen the desk catch stands and like the options were they still ended up losing the game They win the game but they they lose the next game in Seattle In the game and they win Seattle but then they lose the super bowl to the Patriots or would they won the super bowl and I was just kinda surprised that there was like almost twenty five percents. People said they would've won the super bowl. I just again going back what we were just talking about. I just didn't think the defense was good enough to win the Super Bowl. But you know you get there who knows you just have a great game. But what do you guys think would have happened? I mean there's so four minutes left in that game. How far would the cowboys have gone? If that does Brian Brian Catch counts. And they're looking at first and goal from the one with is to go. We won the Super Bowl Berbatov obvious. Let's say we're we're here ratings. There's no way that Aaron Rodgers would come back in the last second and Slung. A will touchdown. Now there's no way you never know. He's never done that before I clear I think they would've won. I who are they supposed to play after that though? Yeah that was where I was at Seattle. That was where I was concerned. So I don't know if I leave your ball. I don't know if I want to give them the trophy that year but they were pretty damn close man. That was like that was really I? Don't everyone talks about how it was. It was thrilling. Yeah what it weighs seventeen. They're like was great year and I'm like fourteen was a great year. You guys rigging what Zinc Blandino killing. My vibe like my guy. It was also a depressing year. Yeah so so as your question. That's another yeah. Yeah that's another question. That don there is in the last decade. What band the their best team? And I saw options I put were fourteen sixteen and then eighteen three years. They went to the divisional round but and fourteen is winning but not not by significant amount but fourteen is is the one that most people are going. It's the right answer John. That's why writing Sir so I'm glad that everyone is smart like meat. Yeah no we're all brilliant together. We'll get that ink inclusion You guys need to go out this survey as you love this list of John's top all-time cowboys rosters like we did He's apparently got a lot more up his sleeve for you and you guys can contribute so make sure you guys are subscribed the athletic. I mean honestly be with you. I've said it before I'll say it again. It's well worth the money. I think I paid less than dollar like my God. I can't even tell you I'm giving up a coffee because I don't even spend much money on coffee so Even drink coffee. 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The goat like to try and get on that person's level you gotta begun a physical you know. Was it right probably not but I enjoyed it and I can tell you guys this right now. I'd say this to everybody about those teams. If that was your team you would ride ride or die with that team like that will always be like. It was the Dallas Cowboy and they weren't super talented. They were talented but they were. They were known as being kind of hard nose type like fighters and they wanted to back to back super bowls and they beat some teams. That were more talented. You would absolutely love those teams. Do I love it. I love it. Well you heard from the Detroit man himself John Michelle. Thanks for coming on and we will hopefully see you again very soon. It's safe to say that old. Johnny matches really lit up a great discussion. Well I wasn't ready. Mcmurray added again again. I can't stop and I won't stop. Listen like I said earlier. You guys can expect a compilation of all. 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2020 Week 1 Recap

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2020 Week 1 Recap

"Round with the NFL podcast. IS THE LAST American dynasties. Well, come to another edition of the around the NFL. PODCAST. My name is Dan hands this coming to you from the virtual room filled with Euros Mark Sesame Chris Wesseling Greg Rosenthal. Week won. What's up boys. Hey Dan. Yeah Flagship. Day of the year right. Well. Yeah I always said the best Sunday of football of 'cause you got the most Sundays in front of you and this year it does feel. Like a celebration to get here although I don't know if it's GonNa be the best Sunday the feel like the quality will probably get better as they get a little nothing but a celebration I was that. To wire as the ashes. Outside of my window celebration wildfires still raging here in southern California and California, throughout the state and this is for me. The first time that I wasn't at the NFL Office in eleven years where of course are working from home because of you know, and so we had to find new ways to watch the gains and I hope everybody managed to do that and and cover the games that were drafted on Thursdays show and West's was not part of the the draft on Thursday but his luckily and thankfully joining us here tonight. So we're going to go through every game that was played on Sunday wrapping up with the Sunday night football game between the cowboys and the rams and. Greg do you have any kind of broad takeaway from week one? Not Really Spotting that that I. That I do WanNa give these seems a little bit of a wide berth overreact anyways and have fun with what happened been today but I think more than ever the first two to three weeks of the season feels like you know let's let's warm up let's get ready and if you have teams you root for, let's hope you pocket some dubs because they'll still count the same at the end of the season even if it's in these first easy early weeks. All right. So here we go. Time to do it. Are you mark you ready? I'm ready. You know what? Honestly I loved the day for you and I and our favorite sports. But I brushed that off pretty quick went in with a playmate expectations we'll get into that but I thought the working thing was. Pretty. Pretty. Seamless. I'm lobbying to essentially never leave my home ever again you think in mid way through second quarter today like well, it's different not feeling the negative energy around us with the jets and. Browns getting drubbed so by so much. In my mind, but but I like it. You never know week one's going to bring in. It can offer a surprise in so many different directions but to have it be the same old like kick in the pants like Charlie Brown. It's just I feel for you guys because I know the feeling in baseball. Yeah I I feel like I've gotten some type of radiation poisoning being next to mark all these years. So I feel refreshed Sunday night I don't know why maybe there's there's a reason why all right let's do it. Let's get into every game that was played on Sunday and let us start. With. The most famous quarterback perhaps in the history of football starting in new it didn't go too well. God One in motion again to the right Brady takes a gun snap quick throw near fact, picked up to North Jenkins Fifteen, ten, thirty, two, watt touchdown doors Jenkins pick six. I looked easy to look easy balls behind. News. Alastair. Robinson salt in the wounds extra. Also the call wwl Generis. Jack Rabbit. Jenkins. Picked up Tom Brady took it thirty six yards to the house as the saints host Tweet Thirty, four twenty three win over the bucks an empty superdome neither offense. Working a high level in this one Greg but New Orleans seems to be a step ahead at the start of the seat. It reminded me of a lot of saints wins from last year where the score was a little misleading. High scoring game, but they won with defense with special teams with the other team the bucks. In this case, you know kind of shooting themselves in the foot and making a lot of mistakes it was not a great showcase. For quarterbacks after forty, they both look they both looked older than forty. It wasn't great game. I wouldn't say for either one of them Brady made bigger mistakes. Brady also made a number of better throws I would say than drew brees in this game but it spells out to me it's early I'm not gonNA judge too much but I just think the saints have so much more margin for error than the bucks do in this division because they can win games like this because they can win six games with Teddy Bridgewater. And I think this secondary especially with generous Jenkins and West is boy CJ, Garter Johnson who had a monster game to those guys make them. So deep that they can do a lot of fun things up front and they confuse, Brady a couple times. They made plays on their own, and if they're special teams is going to be good like it was today. It's just like it's GonNa be a hard time beating this team. And a couple years ago this offense change from going as drew brees goes to Alvin Kamara. Thomas and you saw Kamera today had the explosiveness. His yardage numbers weren't there but he looked like the old Alvin. Kamara. On those two touchdowns making people miss and looking. At the Brady interceptions. Really to me illustrated and bucks team that needs more time to get fluid on offense there was a clear miscommunication with with Mike Evans I believe on one of them and It's going to just take patients with all these teams unless you mentioned at the top of the show, it's like we can freak out about the bucks not looking anything like they were hyped up to look but let's talk in a couple of weeks and it just seemed like for all the preparation Brady was still sinking up with the rest of the team. I'm Greg Grant didn't do much in this game, and after the Game Bruce Arians the head coach he actually was open about it instead on the interception that Brady threw. That was intended for Mike Evans that Mike Evans did the right thing the thing he's taught to do, which was Kinda. Sit Down in the covering of a Brady didn't do the right thing. So I don't know if that's Arians sight of the guy that's been in the house longer or what but it just shows you like mark said, this is GonNa take some time it's the opposite. He would always justify every Davis Winston intercepted. He's got to be thinking what now you're starting to throw the quarterbacks under the bus I mean just kind of the opposite of what the Patriots were last year, which wasn't necessarily good either. But, they were just sloppy. They had so many penalties and that is something airings got to work on. They led the league in penalties a year ago and I guess if you're a bucks fan in the end, you do want to be a little concerned about this game. One spot is Donovan Smith, which they're left tackle who struggled Trey Hendrickson beat them clean a few times. I was a big problem in general the Saints Pass Rush Look Pretty Good in Donovan Smith is a guy who drafted who Jason Light gave a huge contract made no sense at the time he gave him at no point. Is Donovan Smith really played particularly well left tackle and that is Tom Brady's left tackle and that to me is a little emblematic of the buccaneers who had bad draft picks and have kept some. Of their bad draft. Did you get any clarity about I? Know that Ronald? Jones had by far. The most carries thing it was a seventeen, but you take away the twenty one yard run he had and he ran for like two yards per rush and the whole team general both teams the ground game seem a little flat but the bucks I feel like on the Tom Brady of twenty twenty team, a running game that's not operable is would be a concern for me I. I was surprised that both teams ran the. Ball so much because the bucks were historically great stopping the run. So it wasn't a surprise to me the saints could run them, but they kept trying and the bucks were one of the most passive teams in the first half of games, not even after James it but they were passed happy early last year and they really weren't. It wasn't working and the saints are a really good rushed defense and I come back to maybe the coaches west like who are usually so aggressive and so confident the the saints especially it. Strikes me when you're bringing in Tastes Hill on some really key third down breezes numbers were ugly until late in this game and he hit a big forty six yarder that ended up being the key play the game. So credit to him for that but they were like running and bring in Hell for key third downs in everything is so condensing the bucks defense cooking and I know that something you think's going to be a problem for the saints long-term and and I think it's fair. I think it's a fair concern. It's Locked that up. That was that was marketing and by the way people on twitter honking. That bold for locking this went up and it was like a field goal game. The bucks are a town. I like I want to engage with with people's takes but that was a horrible take just like you go to the desert, it was completely right in the mirror world. So I completely ignore those comments. Sorry with sorry west add set you up before all that. Yeah I think that transition's been going on for a while. Now I don't think this is new to this year I. Think you're seeing drew brees passing numbers efficiency the last few years propped up by the way Sean Payton uses him and it's to hide his arm and I think you're seeing more and more of that where going to need tastes hill on more plays to his credit. He did have that forty yard pass that That was a big play in this game but I think the rest of the game you saw that his arm was an issue. The quietest game in years for Michael Thomas who of course risked everything to break the Marvin Harrison. Receptions record a year ago. He saw just five targets today his lowest since week eleven of two, thousand eighteen and he also sustained. Some type of ankle injury late in the game. Mike Florio reported the Thomas was walking in the locker room after the wind, but he hadn't let the trainers look at it. They were still trying to examine him which is Kinda of funny image image of little trainers. Trainers chasing around Michael Thomas please. Let us examine your ankle So I'm I'm assuming that will happen at some point but something to keep an eye on there. All right. So Tom Brady's new adventure starts with a loss. Let's keep rolling through and talk about another legendary quarterback checking attention pay rod going down the right sideline. Past, it did the. He took it away from Cameron Dan's ller. Twenty. s gambling forty, five, yard touchdown reception. Wayne Laravie WTMJ with a call. My own Aaron Rodgers went off against the young and not ready. For Prime. Time. Or Daytime Vikings defense throwing four touchdown passes and Davante Adams tied a franchise record with fourteen catches in the packers forty three to thirty four win over the Vikings at US Bank stadium. The Vikings Defense. It was a mess they gave a five hundred, twenty, two yards. Their worst outing since giving up five, hundred, fifty, six yards to the rams in their high flying stage twenty eighteen and they were just the secondary was picked on by Rogers and West I can't wait to see where Rogers falls on the Chris Weslend Qb an index this week because you had higher than most people would have in that exercise going into week one and what he did today an absolute clinic and. Yes, I have sandwich prop about him being an all pro this year, and who knows it's just one game but my God did he looked like Aaron Rodgers and you'll watching that game he could have even more yardage that could have been Ghadir if not for a drop by mvs that negated a about a sixty yard gain and Allen lazard. Fell stumbled toward the end zone when he should have been walk in score. So this could have been more grisly for the Vikings defense and more glorious for Rogers. But that's not really the point. The point is not only. Did Rogers look great incompletions are almost always just throwaways smart plays it was almost functionally a perfect game and if you're a packers fan my goodness are you excited right now? I think even as we've watched this more slump prone. Aaron Rodgers over the last few years where the whole football community tries to figure out what's wrong with him, and now going into this year, everybody had soured on him quite a bit. The packers soured on him. Sure but at no point, do I remember anybody ever seen physically he looks like he's in decline like nobody ever said he can't get this passed on anymore he can't escape trouble in the pocket anymore. I don't think it's ever been a physical thing. I think it's been falling into bad habits and a lot of that comes from not trusting receivers. If he can trust mvs this year I think that's pretty big. I am always ready to just with one game go right back into the tank, for Roger, stink just believe it. Because it makes sense like those the good games he hazard as good as anyone and he had a couple last year but you're right there are a lot of slumps. But it's also because I've seen Tom. Brady have what I thought was his best two year run of his entire career at thirty nine and forty and I don't know if riders can stay as fit. But I know he's he's got an upstairs like like Brady and so it does make you think that Brady who I thought I had a couple more down years maybe in his mid thirties. Cranked? It backup in his late thirties like that. It's at least possible with the right play collar and this is an amazing start to drop over five hundred yards in week one. Against Defense that should have some idea. What you're doing is is pretty amazing. Yeah. I was GONNA say these teams know each other so well, and there's a lot of similar characters there from the past and you know we talked all season long about a viking secondary with a completely new cast of cornerbacks in. Yeah. Last year's weren't great. So it's not like lost the Legion of boom. Of the Mid West but everyone's like, Oh, Mike Zimmer will coach up they'll be fine but this has to be extremely concerning I. I'd also ask like on the offense offense of side for Minnesota I mean I'm seeing like the numbers here and I just outside of Adam thiel and not a lot of juice was adjusted. They got down early in the whole thing fell apart. It was absurd. The defense couldn't get off the field. So by the time, the first half ended kirk cousins had thrown five passes. And in fact, defense is on the field for almost twenty three minutes in the first half, and then you'll reason this game is even remotely close in the final score is because a bunch of like prodigious guard garbage time production from cousins to Adam feeling I mean this was an embarrassing loss for the Vikings they're lucky nobody was in that building because as as humble and as sweet as mid Westerners are they would've been getting booed because they did not show up. On any level in fact. The, meal being out was something that we all said Oh that could be an issue. It was way worse than anyone could imagine Minnesota according to ESPN Minnesota pressured Rogers on just seven of forty four dropbox including eighteen schrage without registering a pressure and the remember us all doing backflips about how brilliant Rick Spielman was for getting Yanagawa. Hey, he could still be an all pro this year for all we know he didn't have a single pressure in this game. So He's obviously he's a little banged up to. So the the the they were not getting push up front nobody could cover in the back end and their frankly lucky. This game was a fifty to ten. At they were they spent all offseason trying to erase the memory of the. beating. They took and San Francisco closed last year a game that I thought peg Minnesota as a team that just sort of halfway there in that group playoff teams you can't really believe in this is an ugly opening chapter were right there in with with the packers you get blown out last year in the biggest game of the year than you you have to get past this team now, they're going to have to do it in Lambo maybe maybe it doesn't matter anymore. With fans we'll. We'll find out but does, but I'm upset the fact that they set a record for the lowest possession I think in their franchise history today not a good way to start the season. Yeah we we all and that's the four of us and everyone else that's listening to this show in Ricky. We have to keep perspective on week one. But. It could not be any worse for the Vikings through one game. Let's move on. Hand off here to paint Barbara with time. The yes. Touchdown touchdown Washington. Bram Weinstein. And that was not the end zone hall with the call that was Julia. Julia Donaldson I know that that She's part of. Look at you frozen Rosenthal. PERSON ALL HELL The Washington football team. Payton Barbara ran for two touchdowns and Dwayne haskins rallied Washington from a seventeen point deficit to beat the eagles twenty, seven seventeen and Ron rivers debut as head coach West this is supposed to be a manageable assignment for the eagles. The hell happened. This was wild. If you would've told me at the two minute warning of the first half. The Washington football team win this game. I want to say you're not worth the time you're talking crazy. You're paranoid delusional just get away. There's no way that happens. and then. Stop me if you've heard this before and Ohio State Pass rusher with difference making talent joins a front seven loaded with former first round draft picks, and they turn around and make life miserable for quarterbacks with the waves and waves of rushers right now did Carson Egos Line? In the eagles line looked like a line that's missing guys. It there are two big problems here I believe the right side of the eagles line had never started a game before the entire right side. They were a big issue and Carson Wentz needs to get get rid of the ball, throw the ball away if he has to. pull the trigger once in a while, but he held the ball to too long. So as a mixture of both of those things and then the redskins defensive line like I said, sending waves a pass rushers at them and I've seen that like Erz and Goddard counted for half of their two, hundred seventy passing yards, which reminds me a lot of last year. So I mean I know they're banged up but they do they look like anything new compared to where we were with the eagles offense as season ago. Oh I think God is even more involved. I wrote that you know a few minutes into the game. This guy has already emphasized folk a focal point of the passing game in a way he wasn't last year. So I expect this to be even more tight end oriented a Jalen rigor have one long pass at fifty five yard bomb and was targeted a couple more times deep Sean Jackson, I think would've had a lot more production at have. Wentz had time to throw the ball in the second half right? They had a total of. Five hundred yards or so these teams. So Washington's offense didn't exactly light it up I. mean they combined for less than that the packers didn't one day but I'm GonNa do the thing where I swooped in like two minutes of the game but make a sweeping judgment from it, which was the game was very much those two double swoop to the game was very much. In the eagles hands or at least they were in the game late when Wentz had Jackson on timing, play deep down the field and overthrew index and was not pleased about that and on fourth and three, they decided to go for it and. Just drops a past. So that's Carson wentz Esteban Dax in an Erz not making plays at the end and those are kind of your guys. Well at the point you picked up, they have probably gone two and a half quarters without a single positive thing happening on offense and I think they had stopped believing that it single positive thing could happen on offense. He was sacked eight times. Carson. Wentz and. So that was not that's not sustainable. I know he was able to stay on the field for the entire regular season last year before that concussion against the seahawks but you're not keep him on the field of the can protect. What did you see from Haskins was? He did just enough and I mean literally just enough I, believe is I two touchdowns came directly after a winces I two interceptions. Dante's credit. He got the good field position and led them down to scores but He looked a little sluggish to me a little more slow moving than he did last year. He got credit for giving a pretty, pretty good halftime speech when Ron Rivera physically couldn't do it Haskins took over and redskins. Half Way I thought of you in like Ron Rivera has talked this week about literally going through treatments for his illness right now, and like the idea that you've got to perform the duties of a head coach, you know the long preparation but then being on the sideline during what must be one of the most pressure packed experiences you can have man. That's a that's a concern for that team. Just, physically standing there all day I mean that's gotTa wear them out I get that so You guys halfway through today I had to go lay down and back arrest it just it just wears you down. So I'm impressed that he's even out there in the first but right now he was getting an IV shot. To give him energy to stand up on the sideline for the second half it it's it's remarkable I. Know It's been A. Rough Rough. Six months for this organization to come out with week one with the win that's got gotta feel pretty sweet. and. Conversely, if you're the eagles and yeah, you know miles, sanders but man guys like Rosenthal been pop in this team up forever the Eagles feel highly of themselves and then he co go out and you go up seventeen zip against Washington and then you'll lose that you cannot that can't happen. That's a really bad way to start your season talking to you greg. Team. I mean. They have to feeling like they're snake. I think they were missing seven started. We didn't even mentioned Lane Johnson. We didn't know what was going to be out necessarily Derek Barnett John Hargrave and you mentioned sanders we know about the offensive Lineman it's it's it's a rough way to start, and then you also just you know play play terribly to blow away like you still can't blow lead like that. No matter how many guys are out? All right let's talk about your actual favorite team Greg Newton fakes to roles with the right cams gonNa run it to the Ted. Outside of the five new into the pylon dot. Patriots. His second in his New England debut. Their boy. I figure they just threw Zolak in the Boston harbor wants down Brady. Left us. Do you have at that point? I guess he's still employed. They've done it before Scott Zolak with the culprit wbz check under the Mass Pike. Cam Newton Russ for fifteen ten fifteen times for seventy five yards and two scores through one hundred, fifty, five, four, leading the Patriots to a twenty. One to eleven win over the dolphins in the first game of the Post Tom Brady era in New England Greg I wondered on Thursdays Preview. Show how much this version of Newton. would be running in Josh mcdaniels offense I. Guess The answers the Bunch. Yeah. That is the offense. I don't I don't know if that'll be the entire offense each week but I think it's GonNa be the the base part of it I mean I think. They want to be the ravens they. They looked like they wanted to be not not that Newton's dynamic in the same way making long runs and breaking tackles. But that his running threat and and the read option, the option plays are gonna be kind of the centerpiece of their offense in maybe that was partly because it was week one in Belichick. After the game that he thought conditioning was a huge factor and you could see the dolphins defense getting more tired and more tight. You can see the Patriots defense getting a little tired at the end of this game too but three drives after halftime Y-. Just dominant eighteen minutes in those three Dr They'd at least six first downs in each of those drives if Nicole Harry hadn't fumbled the ball out of the end zone. At the goal line, four touchdowns on all three of those drives and they basically did the bachelor plan they just ran the clock out i. mean they were done with this thing by like three forty they were back in the locker room I mean this was mark. Settler Dream Game Right here I started getting all these tweets about you're gonNA YOU'RE GONNA love this game on game pass and then I found out why I saw some cut ups to and I kind of. Trust the Patriots in week one as much as anyone just to be prepared and like they were thrown out some freaky looks and like heavy sets with like dine guys up on the line and like you know, and that's health how some of this worked in the dolphins just looked a little faceless and then you get this game where you know everyone's saying year two in a row for Ryan Fitzpatrick he goes out and throws three picks I. Mean You have no shot? Yeah, I kept. Thinking about this patriots running game, what they wanted to do to kind of hide. Tom Brady's decline the last year or so and to hide the lack of skill position talent at wide receiver, they've wanted to have this running game. And I almost want to give them credit for for having the guts to get rid of Tom Brady, and bringing Cam Newton as if it was some. Grand, plan. I don't think it was the grand plan to bring Cam Newton but what better guy to do it if that's what you wanted to do right well, that's the thing they're adapting into play into the strength of the guys that are there. They locked out huge that no one signed cam and I think. Teams without quarterbacks are going to be regretting that because he looked like Cam Newton and you can build a team around and we'll see if he stays healthy but it is. Through the Vault Nineteen Times ran the ball fifteen times. I mean is that sustainable? We'll see but I think they're playing another strength and they know what they are, which is the running game at I think five runners had five or more carries they have this undrafted kid JJ. Taylor who looked really good. who was a factor and then their secondary is really good. Fitzpatrick had no one open the whole game he did throw costly picks but they they were just saying he cannot find anyone which isn't a surprise Devante Parker got hurt midway through, and this is a really good secondary and it doesn't surprise me that the dolphins can't find guys open against them. To be. Lighting's no to I thought we'd see a little too as as little as the dolphins offense was doing early in this game but no need that was never warming up nothing. I was just going to say. But the Patriots don't have to worry about Cam Newton's health long term because they have nothing invested in him. Right. They can allow him to take a beating. No they're going to try to win these games and they're going to see and they're going to hope some young guys. You know step up chase a good game. They're using this Guy John Williams who was a second round pick the covered site ends this year he covered Gaseke. A lot better than than they did a year ago with John It felt very twenty twenty though I mean everything felt weird about this game including after the game it's like the Patriots tweet out. Will conduct forever with with a CAM throwing up the X. I'm like the Patriots sending this out to me is just like what is happening right? Well what I thought you were going to talk about the skirmish the at midfield after the game. Dolphins appear player appeared to tempt to rip off the chain of Cam Newton. So spicy after the Game Kim. Not. So bland this year now, he had to be carried away by his teammates and his coaches were stopping them apparently yes. As someone tried to move the chain, someone tried to do a keep leave like chains hatch on them. Would was. Thing was he premium as West would say he was doing all the things. He had a huge pining Schmo, he was loving it. He was loving and AS Roma pointed out a few times. He did some advanced things where he changed the play in that worked in a few times he didn't at all and they had these terrible place. But man he was celebrating just cam always does he had that big touchdown run where he took a big hit and I mean, you could see the huge smile on his face as he's dive in for the pylon I mean that's that's that's the SUI is. Good my home gonNA sustain that level of abuse every week because that seems like a lot of workload for an old man. Thirty one year old man battle. He's actually a forty, seven year old body but you know he's thirty one biologically I think it's fair to question whether this is a sustainable championship model but I'm just looking for fun. GimMe Gimme right by the way that's in the Mixon. Cameras and bridge, CAM's not the new Tom Brady. The new Tom Brady handed down the line when they leverage a first round pick that's high and they go and they get the next hope. But for now, CAM is the guy and It's going to be a little bit like the quarterback version of DeMarco Murray his last year in Dallas I would just say that sometimes it's sometimes it's beautiful to drive over a nice bridge get a new view I mean bridge is not always a bad thing. This will be a bridge to nowhere, but it will still it's still nice I. Mean, it's Weighing. Comedy, hundred somewhere. Give me at ten or eleven wins. A division title with a lot of fun on the way forget about it. That's not nowhere. That's living. I think that's all employ. Agree I agree. All right. Let's keep moving. At the thirty yard line, let's see if he doesn't factory Ford. Russell. Fourth down and five years Format Roche is not going to lay it up over the top he's got. He's got it. Touch arrowed. Hawks. Four down and five Ross takes the snap stands. Like a patient mad at weights fourteen gets open for six thirty, eight yards holy smoke. You guys are covering tk metcalf with one man forget about it. He beat some. You know shout out the Steve Rival there for. Kiro because. Did have a moment just now whereas completely deflated by the state of the world everything taken from US including people being yet these games to celebrate and vehemence together. But that call was so filled with joy and realness. And it came from such a sincere place in a back. We'll let you go. Gods. And now on back rival let Russ Cook. Showing what he can do when given the chance to talk. Through four touchdown passes leading the seahawks three, Thirty, eight, twenty, five, win over the Falcons in Atlanta mark. Thank Brian Schottenheimer finally seeing the light a new kind of seahawks attack arrive well. We've got a small sample size to to draw a conclusion from they ran the ball twenty times. That he has seen the light and I think that there's probably. Internal pressure as well to. Turn Russell Wilson from the start. After the kind of money they're paying him and totally responded it was a completely pristine ever I Russell Wilson and The idea that he would be a step down from the MVP performance. We saw last year not right now I mean I think that this is a very effective offense. If I told you that the Falcons that Matt Ryan would throw for four hundred fifty yards, multiple touchdowns with nine completions. Two three different receivers I would think the Falcons would be in control of this game at some point it just simply wasn't the case they weren't they weren't. Terrible by any stretch of the imagination education but Seattle to me moved away from the feed Chris Carson and fill in the blank other running back thirty seven times and have Russell Wilson do special things for the last six and a half minutes of the game where you're forced to suddenly get frisky down the field I. mean they attack from the start and I think if you're a seahawks fan that's waited for this, you're GONNA get more. The Falcons are just going to get incrementally worse on defense for every year I'm alive. Well they're off to a good start dead quit. I'll just stay there in Dame Clinton Post game press conference is where he said today we're pissed we're pissed and it's almost like he's trying to convince everyone they're pissed and I'm sure I'm sure he's pissed defensive coaches you know is teams not playing well but. It's almost like he knows that everyone thinks it's groundhog day he's been feeling the groundhog day to these slow starts is seasons always as many doesn't have any great solution for when I'd say you're. Supposed to turn it around like how. Do you think is going to be the guy who's going to turn it around I. Thought Fowler was a nice signing, but I mean he's not going to do it by himself. The I must note that Jamal Adams. Fits very well into Seattle's defense. He was all over the place. You can say that mark because that was that was waiting to see you know I wanted to know how he'd fit but Bobby Wagner who this is not breaking news was sensational and Jamal. Adams just right away. Provided pressure he caused chaos in the pocket he was all over the place just the way that you'd expect them to be and I think it took a little bit of the Concern over how much they spent on them if you're going to get this player week after week I, I think it's like I know it's week one but I I really do if if this approach in the first half of the seahawks through it, eighteen times in the rain at five and so that's a great indication because it's the first half it's obviously close the come out. So pass if this really means that they are gonna be more past abby. Look Watch out I think that's a huge unlocking of their potential. Our friend Bill Billy Barnwell Kinda pointed this out with Andy Reid go for it on fourth down on his own. An last year like indy reads always one of the most conservative guys on fourth down and he had some luck with it in the Super Bowl last year, and now he's starting to go for four watch out for the chiefs. If they're suddenly actually taking advantage of the fourth down like the Ravens used to the Ravens n watch out for the Seahawks if they're pass for team in their leading Russ Cook to the fullest visibilities man they're dangerous. Watching breaking bad right now. So when people say let Russ Cook, it's it's a little weird for me. Also does anyone call bill barnwell belly barnwell because. That should be a thing. As the maybe his grandmother type of You know. Worth type. Call from the booth that type of vibe easy midwestern by Billy Barnwell I like the billy and I don't know if I've ever said it to his face I'd like to find out how he feels about the. Being called Billy as as. Made Stage adult. The last guy that called Bill Barnwell billy ended up underground. I I just WANNA get at thirty Lot of dead. Guy. Unless you call them, billy any other thoughts on this game I thought Todd Gurley for all the. You Know Todd Gurley. Essentially put them out. Put them out on a boat into the ocean talk you know one of the people saying that. You'd be like a funeral pyre. On One of those deals you know. Guys don't shoot fire arrows at my boat. I'm alive he gone. He ran my expectations very low and it's like, where are we gonNA be two months with with girly in his knees and stuff but I'm he ran he ran pretty well today I mean other players on the team thought that he looked like the old todd Gurley I don't know if he looked exactly like the old. Todd. Gurley. I mean that wasn't like the most off. That wasn't a huge sell by their mark. Beating out of the tunnel in a wheelchair. Because I don't. Like people are GonNa, go watch and be like sesame dot early looked awesome. That's not what I'm saying. It's just that the variance of what we could have gotten from Todd Gurley could have been a lot worse. He looked starts every take playing defense against possible. Well, you ever try being me on this podcast you gotta you gotTa Start on defense. All right. Let's let's keep moving under center has been Robinson the running back play fake meant you looks fires quarter of the end zone wide open stealing cold's going to walk into the end zone. Jacksonville jags have taken the lead with five fifty six to play the ball game. Frank Franci with the call W. Okay. The tank for rather. Not, so fast Gardner means you threw three touchdown passes including twenty, two yard or cold. In the fourth quarter the jags opened the season but beat the colts. Roosevelt's colts twenty seven twenty. Rosie has the colts in the super bowl winning it all kind of beat the jugs and we've seen some stop hitting out because the debts lost in the Patriots. Wes. US You're sky high on colts as well as ring week one what went wrong here. They were squandering sons, building blocks, they squandered the whole game. Wandered early squandered late and squandered the lead away they they doubled the total yardage of the Jaguars. They didn't punt a single time in this game. But they gave it away to Philip rivers interceptions naiman stuffed inside the five yard line on. Fourth. down. Rodrigue, Oh blankenship the rookie field goal kicker missed missed a kick. The Doyle had a crack back block that interrupted drive late in the game lot of a lot of mistakes and I was wondering if I'm a colts fan, how do I feel about this game? You lose to a team you should be that. That's no good. He Lose Marlon Mac probably for the year with an aquiles on the other hand nine Heinz you look at him and you couldn't ask for a quarterback more suited to bring out Naim hines skill sets. Jonathan Taylor. Undeniably looks electric with the ball in his hands and even though you don't have Marlin Mac John and Taylor is a bigger big play threat. You can already see that is incredibly talented. Philip rivers throws two interceptions on balls. Maybe you don't get intercepted early in his career when he's got more muscle on the ball, he's always going to give receiver a chance to make plays in fifty fifty situations and he got burned a couple of times today on that and he got burned because it looked like the colts plan was to attack. Jaguars rookie first rounder. CJ. Henderson who was the player of the game at Interception Three Pass breakups couple of big tackles right in front of the first down marker and key situations a really big game from him. I'm I want. This is one of the Games. I'M GONNA dial up pretty early on game pass just because it's so weird. 'cause you had one incompletion as you mentioned, I, mean they the is only add but. Less than three hundred yards in this game two, hundred, forty, one yards in this game and they found a way. To win it and then. All the young players you mentioned Paris Campbell. I don't think he said his name to they. He was their leading receiver. So it was like a lot of new colts It almost sounds like a chargers game though you. Know it looked. It looked like rivers had been in that offense for Tang Union he was doing things that he caught the Jaguars Defense off guard a few times he had tricks up his sleeve like you said, he had total confidence in Paris Campbell was throwing him the ball lot and key situations. I was really impressed with Philip rivers to me if I'm colts fan I think okay. He made a couple mistakes and he's not quite what it used to be strength. Wise. But he's got total commander this offense in these got enough talent here. That to get four, hundred, fifty yards like it almost feels like you should do that every week. I'd asked like if you're a concern colts fan and you your mind if these two teams played each other, the next nine weeks would indies record be in also I mean looking at Minhsiu Day and I I love it. But is there a element of fool's gold or does it only strengthen what you were meant shoe guy does it strengthen what you feel about you? Why would say the Cultural Kgo eight into in that ten game sample size they thoroughly out playing Jaguars today The Jaguars. Capitalized in. That's where I give him in show Menchu credit. He didn't ever go beyond himself, Jay? GRUDEN. Called a really good game. It was pretty conservative but he he played to the he called it to the scoreboard and Menchu played to the scoreboard when. They didn't take any chances when the games were close and he kept him in it and Menchu. Short passes inaccurate and. James Robinson the undrafted rookie first undrafted rookie to start running back in the NFL on opening day in thirty years. Look good. So they do have some semblance of a running game a ball control attack. I'm, not. GonNa you're not, GonNa look at this and think like Phil. Super. Bowl good. These nineteen to twenty because of situation and good decision making. Well Listen Philip. Rivers was famous for these losses and chargers land to let's be fantasy games where it's like narrow losses to a team that you shouldn't dance Garner with a couple with a couple of turnovers, Bob and listen West Watch the game I slept to watch it. But how many times did we read about these gains that involved rivers in San, Diego our La, and now the that seemed to follow them to Indianapolis. Well, I don't know if they waited ten in Jackson. It's fair. Game in Jacksonville since twenty fourteen the Jaguars own the colts snaky. Oh come on to make that point Dan, but I'm just thinking as a colts fan if this is this is the first I've seen out of rivers and on the spectrum of where he could have been washed up is one possibility and he did not look washed up in any way to me so. I did that he he can move this offense up and down the field almost that will. Especially after watching sixteen games of Jacoby perset, we like Jake brisket but he is not the most fun quarterback to watch rivers at least swings at around in his is got open so many possibilities. Staff do more things. Yeah. Let's keep moving. Shotgun formation snap to Murray in trouble steps up and runs to his right at a twenty cuts back to the left of the ten breaks a tackle of the five plenty right for the end zone touchdown. The Q. is your go after Rome you. Ron We'll be sounds like the incredible hulk now this. His voice as in the stadium. To Be Jesse the body. He's graduated from Jesse Ventura now halt COOLER EVERY YEAR We Love Ron, wealthy ktar with the call Kyle Murray threw for two hundred and thirty yards and a touchdown ran for ninety yards and another score back he was over one hundred and lost. One hundred yard game because of qb kneel downs at the end. But Anyway, the cardinals twenty, four to twenty win over the defending champion niners. At a smokey bowel bottom mark cliffe Kingsbury Steam Watch. Wiped out to fourth-quarter deficits. Got A big stop at the end of great start to the season for the garden. Yeah. I, mean our friend Jason Walther, a noted cardinals fan texted Danny texted us. Rather displeased and seeking other ways to feel good about his life at one point during the game. It was kind of faceless early on it was outside of a big catch and run touchdown by master. The just wasn't a lot happening, and then suddenly I really think it was Kyla. Murray's legs. In this is this is the threat that he brings and they know how to use them that way. Changed the game entirely and then there was a lot of hemming and hind over the Andrea. And the fact he didn't really work with Kyle. Murray. In the off season much at all very little time together and cameras fourteen catches one, hundred, fifty, one yards, and he had a touchdown. In right he did in the like he had touchdown that they brought back to the one which. A Kenyan drake touchdown. So all all washed out the same he looked good. There were plays where Hopkins and Murray were not on the same page. Early on but he really caught fire late and I just think this cardinals offense in two two in the from predictable nature they ran a ton of ten and eleven sets where you're just got a ton of wide outside that's spread it. Spreads out the defense and it's spread out the niners defense and probably made them a little bit uncomfortable. The bigger issue for the niners there was a scary looking injury to George Kitto and heat said basically he kinda. Jimmy G. through a pass high kill left up into the air and got taken down on his knee, and basically came back in the game never was really the same kind of just showed you. That I think he'll be. All right. When he's not in there. You really. Don't have a whole lot right now behind behind Mostert. You've got really wants you guys that can contribute and Jimmy G. A chance to go down and win this with a touchdown at the end and he you know the cardinals have a few pieces on defense. This one guy second year corner by Murphy made a great break-up on a pass that also Jimmy G. through to Trent Taylor and threw behind him a little bit on a key fourth and five. Arizona Sixteen the game came down to that these rose playing each other close Jimmy G. made a few bad throws in this game. I mean, he threw ten throws to his wide receivers. We've been talking about these wide receivers in. Figuring Okay Santa Hannigan scheme it up and I'm sure he he will. But. Only ten throws to your wide receivers for only a total of forty one yards show in its Kendrick born in Taylor. kill has to be dominating in your defense has to be dominating and just off the off the stats sheet to me it's shocking they had three. QB HITS mark off forty throws for Kyle Marie I know they throw a quick. Zona but that's not the forty niners defense were used to see. No, it just didn't look it didn't. It didn't carry over for the niners on either side of the ball I think they a healthy version of the team will be fine but you know I just would see you come away feeling exciting if you're a cardinal's fan because the stuff that you were anticipating and hoping showed up by the end of the game. Feels like a little bit of. reductive thinking going into the season tooks we knew that these wide receiver issues are real for the niners and there just seemed to be vibe like well George. GIDELL's amazing. So they'll funnel him and he'll get seven hundred targets you have I, guess the other dis, the other team on the other side of the field knows what's coming and that's a tough situation for kindle and you mentioned the kittle lower body issue. That's scary. Does make me think a little bit with him because he's known. As a tremendous blocker in addition to being a great playmaker that that was Gronk that was peak gronk and his body got beat up after awhile. Repeatedly because he was physical and always I hope that's not George Kettles future but he was banged up throughout last year and it sounds like it's happening again now. I. Think. That's a fair comparison for playing style both relentless after the catch and that's where a lot of injuries happen to. But I don't think you're GONNA change the way George will play so you just have to live with him being an injury risk is division windsor big early that's the thing i. know these Games were not taken as much as you normally would but it's it's still going to be the same division win that the fact that they got it done who knows maybe they'll be a crowd in Arizona by the time they can actually Play there. Again, I mean Kingsbury loves it. If you can have outrushing Kyle Shanahan I, mean these two offenses so different but they both want to run in cuyler. Murray, running for that much meant they ran for a hundred and eighty yards I mean that that is a recipe to win in Arizona. They. West. Head to the corner of main. Street and Lincoln Avenue in the West Side of Cincinnati. Mainstream Lincoln. It's just a guess. Right now. All right right nearby house. Committee. From the right hat. Pete Rose Way. and. It's no good. The pushed it wide right. The chargers are GONNA win a missed field goal. By Randy Bullock Our Andy. Ready bulk missed a thirty one yard field goal try with two seconds to play. Spoiling Joe Boroughs NFL debut and allowing the chargers to escape with a sixteen thirteen win at Paul Brown stadium that of course, by the way was. Our Buddy Matt Money Smith Voice. Of God for the around the NFL podcast. Joe Boroughs debut. Listen it wasn't. Wasn't rg three back in two thousand twelve. It wasn't just like incredible game that will never forget but he showed things he had a great touchdown scramble twenty three yards wasn't even scramble I. Think it was designed draw. And then he led the team down the field he was up and down throughout the four quarters, but then when he needed to get them. Into field goal position or scoring position he recovered from a bad interception Melvin Ingram picked him off on a shovel pass seat leave him down the field. He spots AJ Green in the corner front corner of the endzone hits them for the apparent game winning touchdown. Flag comes out offensive pass interference and AJ Green It was the right call. It wasn't maybe maybe wasn't. A No brainer but I understand why the flag was thrown So they bring out Randy and he pushes it right and immediately comes down some type of lower body injury himself. I don't know sometimes you wonder with kickers. This. This is a little bit convenient a out of thirty one yarder. Be Welcome in the kicker club with that kind of derision. Rarely isn't trying to get in the kicker club for many years. This is not going to help him anyway. So the chargers get the win good for them. They lost a lot of games like this last year. So it's good to see them get this win the tyrod Taylor era, I wish tyrod Taylor just like what's the thing from star? Wars. Mark Console gets frozen carbon. CARBONITE. carbon-free is, is that the reference so I guess. was frozen in carbonite. The perfect hard knocks quarterback because once the guy starts playing, he just Kinda puts me to sleep. And this offense wasn't doing much but the chargers get the win and the Bengals GonNa, Bangle and bungle they did I saw on kick borough go ahead. Mention kick never even came close. Out Twenty feet right. I mean that calf muscles, I, want it to be. But that thing better be up the bone to be missing a thirty, one yard or Kicking, twenty four kicks I think. What a way to have your guy here rookie quarterback looks like he's going to bring you back for the win. You lose the touchdown alleged you have the and kick you're. Doing sit. Off. Against we had a lock of the week and it was who? Critic, Leonard, swings, remotely me and. Me and Y ou. took. Painful I mean I felt the pain here just because I don't know I wanna Dzhabrailov start here. But if you're picking them as a lock, the bengals something a little different. Exactly. To me. It was like a gauntlet who can you pick like every team? You WanNa pick it's like owner. Pass the mirror test I. gotta go check. Greg. Test. Dealers within didn't feel right. It, felt fun to pick borough I don't think I was really competitive spirit highs. It didn't really kill me to lose a lock in the first game. Yeah it was. It's GonNa be a tough watch for the bengals fan deep within Chris, wesseling because borough the touchdown run was fun and the final drive showed some Moxie. But he also overthrew John Ross for a touchdown he overthrew agent. That Russia cats are relying more balls than did he? Okay let's just get. Well, he definitely Johnny Ryan. Well, I saw one. J. Green yes I saw one pass where he was scrambling around behind. Let's let's remember a very bad offensive line in my opinion, and he got hammered on a fourteen yard sack directly as a result of like incredible pressure from the chargers. But there was a pass through to mix in where he basically threw it behind him to mix and mixed obviously didn't catch it and had to run around scrambling jump on it to basically recover what was a fumble but then he had that touchdown run after and I guess like what more would you want from a guy who's never played NFL? Snap then to make good plays after a few bad ones I think it showed some resilience in you know I mean borough to me is exciting. He plays a terrible browns defense next Thursday night. So No, you may not be too far from a from another good outing. If I don't drive was very composed I mean that was that was a plus years fire that ball in their the negative is you you watch him and you see a little bit of Dante dimes in there and that is that you don't feel like he's got. A big arm in so. He's creative but you gotta you gotTa. That's where you need your mental stuff to catch up. That's tough as a rookie in your first game. It's like you you gotta be if you don't have a big arm. Be His legs and it's GonNa. Be Him creating some any the right in this game I mean, that's why I'm not. I know I had them in the in the playoffs as one of my. One of my props here. But this is why I love Anthony Lynn, the man but sometimes the game management decisions during the game he plays so close to the vest than I. Think he invites Games like the kicking fifty five yard field goals instead of going for it on fourth and to hate that they miss it. Of course, it sets them up and it's just it's not surprising that this team grinds it out against the bengals team. That's maybe a little shorter on talent. You know we are ten months away. From next summer. When we're being told that the game is slowing down for Joe Borough right and he sees the field so much better. It did I am not a name, your favorite quarterback expert Tom Hauser Dan Orlovsky. I'm not any of those guys, but it did seem like things are moving a little fast for the kid in the first game and of course it. Should know preseason games no real offseason program, and now you're in the game week WANNA gets very good charters pass rush I would say all things considered any deadly throws on the field and all that and he had a really bad turnover on the shoveled paths to Ingraham I'm still feeling very excited right now because he brings juice to the building. Think things are moving fast for him in large part because his tackles we're getting beat it also because it took him a while to go through his progressions and I thought he looked way more decisive as a runner than he did as a passer. He looked really good to me whenever he had to pull it down and Ronnie did it decisively and got where he wanted to get right in college like you'll learn that shovel pass yet I mean that's the type of thing you don't see in college a two, hundred, seventy pound Melvin. Ingram. You're running back and cats a pass. You don't expect. All right. Let's move on. I decided to isolate these two games and with Halloween coming up around the corner enter the haunted mansion of the around the NFL podcast. appropriate. Get your news now. The. Hell. A day. If you dare Jackson a throw on third down and touchdown Mark Andrews his second of the day. That was great. Back shoulder throw. Back to back touchdown drives for Lamar, Jackson Jerry Sandusky Infamy I a day Ho of WBAL WBAL. The call Lamar Jackson threw for two hundred, seventy five yards and three touchdowns in the ravens role to a thirty, eight to six win. Ruining the debut of Kevin Stefanski and his maiden voyage. Cleveland head coach Mark It appears that the browns weren't remotely close ready for defending. Division chance. Yeah. I think I like a lot of browns fans had concerned about this particular match being your week one draw and. You know it's funny. I tweeted out this video on Saturday about their opening drive last year against the titans where Baker Mayfield and the offense just marched down the field and you're thinking this is it. This is what we've been hearing about all summer and all these pieces are you know playing in concert and then Austin Seibert botched the? And like the game went totally downhill from here he missed his first pat again today and it kind of just reawoken horrid memories from a year ago i. kind of think if you're a browns fan, you gotta blow it you. Throat Bury The ball as they say, get rid of it and hope things improve. They look completely out of sync and a lot to do with who they were playing. The Ravens are I think one of the best teams in the League when they target a free agent, he comes in and he contributes right away Campbell. Right off the bat tip to pass, he knocked another one down late in the game, he had another tip that in turn into an early Baker Mayfield interception the browns never really got on track after that ever again. They have all these parts and they don't look like they do or the Ravens Lamar Jackson you know to me through the air played one of the better games who seen I think it was twenty, four, twenty five they just looked like they didn't. They didn't miss a beat and I think if you're a ravens fan everyone's saying there's no way to get back to fourteen and two. Okay. But if you play like this, you're going to be real close or here's the thing you're going to be a better team than you were last year I. Think they did a better job stopping the run the Patrick Queen. Made plays you know you know rookie young ravens skies don't take. They don't take four years to develop that happens quicker in Baltimore and they looked like they weren't listening any pieces I also think they played a pretty bad team so. The Ravens look when they played the Texans next time around. Yeah, this doesn't look good just at the box score mark it looks like. Baker Mayfield struggle the average less than five yards per attempt to the dreaded Gabbard Zone. Looks like he did some damage on the ground but Odell Beckham three for twenty two. Drops comeback. Yup Myles, Garrett I. Love You but you know. Very little production for myles. Garrett. Today and I just I you've got these names but they don't. They don't seem to make it happen here in these games. Goes guys have to play like superstars not decent starters they. Superstars. And by the way, I saw everybody getting on me on twitter about locking up the ravens but you know what I Speaking of haunted houses like everyone was just wanted to make Freddie kitchens the Boogeyman I just wanted to go out there and say before week one, let's see if that guy was really the only thing that's the problem in that building in Berea on the haunted, bury the the burial ground that the whole buildings built on and apparently that's not as you can't blame Freddie anymore because this team looked every bit as bad as it did with Freddie Kitchens, the head coach. But I will allow let me say this though people that were getting on me for not looking in the mirror I gotta be honest I didn't even look in the Mirror I was I didn't really have time we were busy on Thursday. Yeah for people who thought that maybe it's unfair to be locking up the Ravens in that situation I will make it up to everyone that's a listener by locking up a team that really doesn't need to be locked up in week two I'm just GonNa that's what I do. That's the deal does even in the scales if you really thought that I was a line but I am I'm taking this because there are a lot of people that thought the browns are going to be better and they were this post heights sleeper. I'M NOT GONNA give up on on because they got drubbed by the Ravens and probably proven wrong. But this is about as ugly as it gets. You manage to stop the Ravens on the ground I mean that was that that's the thing that stands out to me just looking at it. This was the worst game that the Ravens have had rushing the ball. I think Lamar Jackson took over as quarterback definitely worse than any game they had in all of two thousand nineteen. So actually, it didn't quite even though the score looks familiar world just a way that they got there is different I'm not I would just say that like you don't come away thinking. Deep concerns of right off to Moore's Ground Game I. think that this the way the game played out a little bit like mark. Andrews. was on fire. Lamar. Jackson was making great throws and Cleveland's GONNA banged up secondary and they were victimized for it's probably taking what defenses are going to give them which this year I mean look they were trying to stop the Ravens last year the running game, but I think defenses will sell out even more and Lamar is shown can take advantage. Browns are playing again at four days. Mark you excited. It's too soon I don't like I can I be honest I just like you know you're working you're working through a lot of stuff on the Sunday's like the days of me like pouting in the corner it's over you just gotTa move on like wake me up when they when they are entertained just be. Entertaining and they weren't it's a bad football and it's because you played a team that's been entertaining for twenty years and understands what being in the NFL means your football team wants to stand up and kick you in the butt stand in line buddy wait around the corner for everything else kicking us into. But the right exactly. It mattered a lot less than summer. All right I mark, you're not the only fan getting kicked in the butt. So to jets fans. Allen parts a quick one caught by. John. Brownlow. Makes the catch at the ten at the five cruises into the end zone touchdown buffalo John Brown a seventeen yard touchdown catch from Josh. Allen Steve That was too easy. Man Come on. Jon Murphy rubbing salt in the wound up in wjr in western New York Josh Allen through for more than three hundred yards for the first time in his career tally three scores through the air. And on the ground and a twenty seven to seventeen win over the jets and orchard. Park Allen also lost two fumbles and jets territory. Miss. John Brown on a Gimme touchdown toss but overall. Did his job. For Buffalo team that was superior. To the jets in every imaginable way. I don't know I don't even know like from a bill standpoint how much I can take from this game twenty seven seventeen was not really indicative of what was going on in this game the bills kept on kicking themselves, and tripping on their own feet. The Alan turnovers I mentioned they missed too short field goals even though the first one was probably actually good but the upright wasn't high enough. Maybe we have to keep sending those things hired the Sky I don't know. But so the jets were able to kind of hang around James, Jamison crowder caught a wide receiver screen and took about sixty yards. To, to deliver most of the jets offense, so this game could've easily been twenty or thirty, five, twenty or thirty points. Separating it. So I guess it's a moral victory for the jets but for the bills, you're better than the jets. That's all I. Know you're much better than the jets but there was enough kind of negative stuff in this game to where I want to see them against a better opponent and as for the jets. and. and. I'll say that Sam Darnold and we've heard it ad Nauseam at this point has a bad situation and potentially like the worst head coach in the League but he's got to play better he did not play well in this game and he didn't look comfortable we we read the fluff pieces in the during the summer about how us in year two of his system and he he was processing things quicker and more comfortable. He didn't look more comfortable against the bills granted it's a tough challenge in buffalo but he Didn't look more comfortable. He missed guys that were open. He made some boneheaded plays the kind of stuff that now in year three needs to start to go away. So again, small sample size of week one now is not the time to say, well, he'll never figure it out but as a jets span, you're like, oh, come on man. So couple of plays that he made it's like this can't happen anymore So jets are a mess. Jets are embarrassing maybe the worst team in the league bills good for you you WANNA know. I think the bills can take away just the way you start that game to come out and just you know exert your will on another NFL team that feels good and they're they're they're little bit more of a favourite that they've been around. They're expected to win this game. They were big favorites they their defense did a great job against the jets last year when they played and you come out and I saw one point, it was nineteen first downs to one. And it's just like, okay may maybe you let your foot off the gas a little bit but that's that's all you can hope to accomplish I think in week one in your right move on than to a tougher opponent in to. Dan. I ask you about there's all this hubbub about you know the Levian Bail Frank Gore. Both with six carries Levian bell six carries for fourteen yards and just what injured. Then journeys wasn't tracking that one bill who came into camp in the best shape of his life goes out wide splits out wide right and pops his hamstring and then Adam Gates in the coaching staff leave him in the game. And it sounds like he furthered injured the Hamstring Emek in and Adam Gates. It's actually kind of ironic because over the summer you'll remember. Lady on Bell Blasting Gates on social media for saying that he had a hamstring. Injury that he said didn't exist will now in the controversy, this week will be that he actually did have a hamstring injury, but the coaches didn't recognize it. So that's a fun little bit of. subplot for the beat writers to sink their teeth into So we'll see how long he's out if he misses next week but who knows at point? It doesn't matter I mean lady on bells probably progress stopper where the jets are I'd like to see the Michael P Ryan who's their third round pick get an act get into action, but he is injured with an ankle. So hopefully, he'll get back in the game, but there isn't much to excite about the only real good news the came out of this and the only thing for the jets Ah Summer storyline that actually made it from the summer to the game was markets may the safety that the second round pick the same year that Josh? Are? What's his name or forgotten Jamal Adams tomorrow tomorrow. was in the same draft as the first round pick he took Adams's role and had five tackles, two sacks, two pass breakups in a fumble. So that's good. Everything else bed. All right. Let's. Let's get the hell out of this place on his L.. Ski Keeps Getting Darker It's very twenty twenty, but we started this show in. Light out in those slowly coming into the dark et turn on the lights at one point. I want to say there's there's nowhere to go but up but I don't know if I believe that. So let's Go. Back. Trubisky to wind up the right side for Miller. Older catch. A touchdown touchdown pairs almost like Thanksgiving Day. Near the two yard line and over the shoulder throw I'd beauty by Mitchell trubisky Anthony Miller about to get to the end zone. Did you hear the sounds like. stunned amazement by, Tom. Fe Or. And Jeff Johnny AC wbz with the call Mitchell trubisky. Yeah. You heard that right match through a perfect twenty seven yard. Go ahead touchdown pass Anthony Miller with one fifty, four to play. And then Lions Rookie D. Andrea Swift drop the would be game winning touchdown in the final seconds in the bears twenty seven, twenty, three win at Ford Field. March. It's only dawned on me now today. That you're the browns fan decided to make the lions. Eighteen. Why do you yourself? I'd just exploring New Territories of total darkness. Yeah I think a Lotta Lions fans. There's a group that have glommed onto the lions and a lot of lions fans that are immediate reaction was no don't do this number one. We don't WanNa hear your little national reporter hype train business because we don't buy into it and secondly trust me this won't go well for you and I mean it was a very matt. Patricia era lions loss like there was just no excuse to lose the game the way they did. It, the fact that you can point to one team that Mitch Trubisky has consistently bedeviled over and over it's the lions. That's not a great resume builder for Patricia Either and I you know I, it was a tale of. The one team. Right, they are I mean by trubisky right. From Bears Angle I think that if you if you pause the game at halftime, you'd be thinking everyone is GonNa Clean House. At some point because it was a tale of two halves trubisky was was pretty ineffective in the first half and you it's it's a committee of running backs. It's Torri Cohen. It's Cordeiro Patterson. It's David Montgomery none of them really dominant. What happened in the second half was you know first of all Detroit is banged up at cornerback and they were dealing with injuries and it showed and trubisky started caught fire down the stretch mates big throws the Anthony Miller throw was beautiful I give them credit like if you look at what he did in the fourth quarter. I believe he was seven for nine with two touchdowns in a race to twenty three to six deficit. So I think it's a week to week proposition with Mitch Trubisky at a lot of people tweeting at me after a couple bear's comments like do you bring in foles halftime? You just is it can organise quickly. You kept that conversation quiet for another week. I don't love this bears team I. Think the defense may be a little overrated to, but they made some plays down the stretch and if you're alliance Fan, it's just another one of these games where you do not. It just did not add up and Stafford, look pretty good I mean they had that killer dropped by Andre in the end zone that. A rich. Do we have that the lion's call that because that is one of the worst drops I can remember that is the game five seconds. What's what's it? Binds. From the bear sixteen down four eleven seconds to go. The he's GonNa work out of the gone. Bears three men back on that goal. Stafford's got it. Then rushed for Chicago Stafford. taught. Swift. Dropped it. It was a touchdown in his hand. No? No. Kevin. Patch Buddy. You deserve. Better there's nothing like it was perfect. It was perfect. Throw Stafford spotted his running back with his back to the pylon. He was going to catch it fall in for the touchdown game over it would've been four seconds to play there in the lead celebration tragedy averted instead it is the worst stomach punch. You could really imagine a week one game and there is nothing like it in our. Major Team Sports really any sport because there's no other regular season that means so much that that that that drop is like it's one sixteenth season that could be the difference between getting fired or not. That could be different playoff it certainly the difference of having a miserable week or feeling great that you escaped with a comeback victory put another game winning comeback on Matthew Stafford's. Statute but no, like instead, it's like all doom and gloom and you can look at the fact that Oh by the way we lost Justin Coleman their slot corner during the game they lost Desmond True Font during the game Jamie Collins is being a knucklehead again and gets kicked out of the game during it and it's just like. Lions got a lion I guess it just means. It's so meaningful that one drop it's just crazy. There's no other sport quite like that. How do you sleep if if you're a rookie like the Andrea Swift, how do you sleep tonight? I don't know if it's possible. You have to. Wipe. Teams has a better chance to be relevant like on Thanksgiving I think the lions play on Thanksgiving but yeah line. On thanksgiving I still think the lions like I don't know maybe I'm just blind idiot at this point, but I just feel like they have something but it Today to well the yeah. Here's the problem because the Andrea Swift has been heard for weeks like in and you can't trust Kerryon. Johnson. Was Adrian Peterson. had like ninety three yards and ran pretty well, and it's like suddenly you're the team featuring Adrian Peterson running back, which is not a bad thing, but it was not the plan. I also I. Don't I I saw a tweet, some questionable map Patricia decisions down the stretch that that haunt them, and that's all these guys come back and things get better but Patricia as your coach. This feels like I mean, no one was complaining when he was like, you know guy with pencil behind his ear winning Patriots, Super Bowl rings but. You know there's a whole different deal here and in lions just don't seem to have changed or grown much right. There's a little bit complaining one year when they came in thirty first and yards allowed and they still made it to the Super Bowl. I. Because I'm a miserable bastard and my team's terrible I wanted I want more sadness. I meant to hear the randy bullock. Sad call out of Cincinnati Let's hear that to Ricky. Snap is good. The catch is wide, right? Algiers hold onto the lead with two seconds to go and folic is hurt. If. I. Can't be happy. No, one can look it's hurt. I don't mean the. Rams, wes bullock had cramps. Like before the kid ever happened to him before we said it never happened a bright one. The case was about to happen. Randy bullock got cramps. Cramps are. Quite often. nerve related like you're nervous and you can get cramps that can can absolutely be something that the mental. So that doesn't that doesn't make you feel better as a as a bengals fan. All right. Let's keep moving. Back at the raiders getting I'm not sure it God I don't think i. Got Raiders Moretti Alex. Brent. Musburger with the call there. Hey, are lv Joe Brady's the new offense coordinator at Carolina and calls a hand off. To fullback. Alex Barma. A fourth and inches at midfield he stopped at the line with one eleven to play. It's the play of the game and the raiders hold on for thirty four thirty win over the Panthers Charlotte. Gregg. Who the hell's out armone and why the hell is in. Christian McCaffrey getting the ball. Game it was a tough one too because he just felt like neither one of these defenses could stop the other i. kind of felt whoever's going to get the ball last is GonNa win the panthers just got the ball back after the after Derek Carr brought the raiders up the field to take the lead back I mean this was a fun offensive game. He didn't know it was going to happen I. Think it's a fun one to fire up on game pass. There were not a lot of stops I. think There were twelve scoring drive six stops both teams looked very well coached offense. And I just didn't expect a defensive player to make the play the game. In this case, it was Cleveland Farrell and the way McCaffrey was playing the wait teddy. was playing just in terms of his movement man you put him on the move and it just gives a lot of problems I think for the Raiders Defense Teddy. Perfect game but I think arm looked pretty good and he and he moved well and he made some place creek creatively so that the play call was It was wild and it was such a just kind of like a wet far ending to what was otherwise a really exciting game. I. Think both teams have some good things feel he'll after this. LemMe Mart. Dreaming for and week. One Specifically. Wherever You're not I mean the the raiders. Lost Trent. Brown early. So that's a big big problem for them. They're left tackle, and then they lost Samyong who replaced them right after that. So they're on a third stringer and. And they still went up and down the field like Kinda just. steamrolling I think the panthers were their size Josh Jacobs look so good. He just dominated the ball in. Their offense looked like a good one did when it was really singing last year and They did enough to win, but it very easily could have been a bad rate. If the raiders defense is this battle year, it's not gonNA matter. They're going to have a similar year to year. They had a year ago I. Mean Jon Gruden Compared Josh Jacobs to Walter Payton. For, his performance today, and the fact that he simply refused to come off the field and wanted the whole game put on his back. So I mean that that you have these pieces that give you a lot of hope for. And I will I will say that, Joe, Brady I mean is one of the more respected coaches around and I know he's new to the NFL but like he did incredible stuff and Lsu and got. I know, but it's going to be. One way but I think. The Carolina coming out and doing what they did on offense you're going to be one of the better surprises today. Yeah. That's the thing collecting law the and We can't shift in talking head thing where like we write off this? Very talented. No Marcus career is over I'm sorry. I didn't realize you decide that but I will I will get out of the way Alex Armoire. Alex armoire probably could would you in half of one instant in the lake an arm wrestling match in your arm would become off with it. He's definitely strong a fullback You just don't want to get on armrest. Mark to your point to give your Matt Rule, an his boy Joe. Brady some love that was my takeaway throughout the game was while this team looks like it's been together for a while it's not like, Hey, we need a while to warm up. They look like a very professional offense. They've they expose some bad secondary play for the raiders but everything looked like it was on time. You know they use more and Samuel Robbie Anderson? Like it looked like a free frisky on offense. We kind of. Don't. Teddy there s you know. Get, job. Maybe one of those development. Could have been the jets OC. Go ahead West give us a salient football point. On Sunday night football. To Sunday night football. going. To be. Michael Gallon. Ramsey flags down pass interference offense number. Ten Yard Penalty Back never too late. Wake Up. Oh. Michael Gallup. Almost, the hero. Now he's got a zero, but he did get offense a pass interference call. Jalen Ramsey and coverage in it basically buried the cowboys in their night football opener. Allowing the Rams to escape with a twenty to seventeen win. In the opening of S-O-F-I. The medium or part. Wow rate start for the rams. Greg Rosenthal. Made. A solid strong fundamentally. With game right out of the gate. Got Up. You'll be feeling very good. If you're a Ram fan right about now. Yeah. My. My daughter. Else GonNa be excited when she wakes up and finds up this final score because they looked like the old rams in the sense that their coaches I think we're giving them a big time advantage like a lot of the plays that work for them in the first half were screens were quick throws by Jared Goff were plays where like they basically were putting the receiver on a platter for Golf and the defensive changes with the Brandon Staley. This offseason taken over for Wade Phillips seemed to make a pretty big difference to. Down the stretch, the fact that they let their defense, go try to win the game instead of going forward on fourth down thought that was questionable but that call bail the map. I come out of this game I I remember it was about a year ago at the end of September when Kellen Moore shot to the. Leader Board position for assistant coach to the year type roles and I I don't know what's going on with Kalomo right now. But there there was a sequence in the fourth quarter it's twenty to seventeen. It is third and six at the L. A. Fourteen, they run Zeke up the middle for three yards. Okay. It's fourth and three from the La Eleven CD lamb catches the past he's tackled short of the sticks. Drive over. Do you not kick the field goal there. I appreciate the they'll go there have to I think that's never really recovered from that in a gate it son in some games, the pace of the game, the way that it was forming itself you'd say, no, we're going to be aggressive. WE'RE GONNA go for it. Not, this game I have it wrong with that. If it's thirty, four, thirty, one in that spot. Sure the go it but that game that was a tight closely fought game and I'm not that worried about Dallas because I really do think the rams played excellent football both sides and they were in their building and all that. But yeah, I was really surprised they went for it. That is kind of the new age of football now that you're the odd say going for it on fourth down something that's going to pay off more than. It's not but in that spot when you had a chance to tie it up at twenty that really surprised me and it was just really a tough tough night for the Dallas offense, they had three points on six drives in the second half, and that comes I. Think we kind of predicted this back on the preview show like just white and watch after all this breathless hype about the cavs offense that they go and lay an egg. Thirteen point they score seventeen. That's not good enough. I liked I liked the way Zeke Elliott ran the ball I still think they have awesome weapons Jalen Ramsey and the Ram Stevens played excellent and I think they'll recover. But this is kind of a better way to start the season in. Greg to the point that you've made a lot like here we go again with the cowboys all the hype and then well a big. Another wet fart. I am worried about I mean, I don't know what team had a worse week one. They just lost their tight end Blake Jar. They loved for the season with the Tornados mark and I. Could Give You two teams. There's a couple of. But there that's fair. But they didn't lose two key starters to massive injuries late in vander else vendors also broke his collarbone. So there's a lot of stuff where you talk about. L. K. it's only weak one. Well, that's not just only week one I don't know when late invader s now is going on a few years where he has these neck injuries collarbone is a little different. We don't know how long that's going to be. Darwin is a huge loss and you're only as good sometimes as your worst starter and they had undrafted rookie terrence steel plane right tackle. He's he's scheduled to start the next few weeks to 'cause they're missing. lyell collins at right tackle, and at the end of the game that's who the rams were targeting and yeah the cowboys are talented enough to get over it. But when you're coming in with all these things to be excited about that is a pretty big letdown of a week one and in those injuries or something, you can't really get back. I mean, I think I think Dallas lost to a playoff team. So I want to hit the panic button there but. It's just disappointing and I will say one positive I, think Alden Smith, who was looking back I wrote. An at and tape study film at and film room I don't even remember this being a series two, thousand twelve. Talking about. Right. That he just looked like this next version of Charles Haley or something, and he's barely played for the past half decade and he comes in tonight and I thought there were a couple of moments where you thought this feels like I know what's going to go to Alex Smith but Alden Smith looks like a comeback player of the year type guy to me in his own, right? You know I was great. I. You said the cowboys lost to a playoff team that's new if that's how people are GonNa be calling and treating the rams. Division going into this year well, they just have a good early. See it right now it seems better than last year for the rams they seem to have found some fresh four tonight before tonight that was not the general vibe and I think that this game really does quickly change the narrative around them because they looked refreshed a reenergized I know West head been made a point this summer to talk about how he was interested to see how Sean mcvay operated an offense not shackled with a over the hill todd Gurley and they were different on offense and Chris. Collins worth made note of it repeatedly on the NBC telecast how quickly they're getting the ball out of jared, Goff's hands that was a issue for them last. Year, protecting Jared Goff with an older offensive line that was beat up. Well, now the line is in better condition rob Hammerstein's back. Everybody seems to be on their game right now on top of it mcvay he's a smart coach is now saying, okay, we know what Jared Goff's weaknesses are. Let's try to get away from those weaknesses as much as we can. With with the bootlegs and out of his hands quick with the outs screens and the types of passes that weren't really a part of their attack a few years ago when they were bombing down the field with Brandin cooks and company. So there was a different looking rams offense, but it looked good including the running the running backs without played very well in this game. And they go ahead. Todd. Gurley now. Don't you think that you know less need when he came on our show in June or something, and we quizzed them about come on which one of these guys is. GonNa be the lead dog well, I think it's week to week and they seem very married to the idea of committee. There's also a sequence where jared goff throws an interception. Guy Hitting. And that's why I'm not too worried about the Ramsey call being the question of. That was a turnover where the refs completely missed the call and so those are two massive 'cause at both Kinda even other all. The affirmation oldest with clobbered golf in the face, which is a ten yard penalty and should have been a I. Damn. Right I'm saying that Gough nearly threw a second pick on the following sequence, which we'd be sane. We'd be singing a little bit of a different tune for the rams but I I'm with you I think like you wanted to see something the rams got stale last year I don't know how else to put it just seemed to run out of gas and I don't have that feeling about them right now. So yeah, maybe I didn't see them I didn't pick them as a playoff team, but I think We all we didn't think they were GONNA go six and ten and they seemed like in the mix and a very high quality start. It was one of the Cleaner Games on the Los Angeles side of all the football I watched today they didn't seem to have some of the issues others teams did both teams look pretty good? I mean offensively, the cowboys just couldn't finish at least in the first half. They looked good enough I mean collins were said he was stunned at the quality of the teams. I found that to be true. On balance today with the quality of play was better there weren't as many crazy catastrophic injuries felt like a normal day of injuries. You're GONNA have some I'm not saying you don't need a preseason, but you don't like need your really don't like. Maybe, the money and the young wrestle with this more than any person in the entire World Greg. It's all you think about whether we need preseason, it'll be it'll be an easier August for us I'm just the yes I'm just the self While they're people will say the sky is falling for the cowboys and I can. Picture the hot yakkers tomorrow Gross saying the end is near Dallas and yes greg you made a good point that the injuries it's a bad situation late vandereycken man he's one of those guys who just cannot stay healthy but I will say this I wish I could lock it up at early predicted earlier that I need to go a little more Anini for my week to lock. Atlanta Falcons have something nasty come their way when they come to Dallas and. I just put it on the board that's thirty five boys plus for the young boys. Thank you. I still feel they're going to be okay. You probably right is ironic though that they wanted to get rid of Jason. Garrett I mean I I wanted to get rid of Jason Garrett and you're placing with McCarthy who did the whole PR campaign is mark. Likes to point out how he's into the analytics now and the fourth down go for is what got them a little bit here I. Don't blame it though I don't blame them though either I think they knew they were going for it. That was it was a to play sequence and I think you also while you can question him going for it put it somewhat on the players there's five or six guys in the box you're Zeke Elliot and you're the cowboys and you're their offensive line you get three yards on a draw that was probably not a bad to play golf and then you throw throw it to yards. Agree so Dunno, the players didn't do their jobs either. But you know this I know this podcast very well and Mike McCarthy was under no one situation is killing. The offense is great. Kellyn. Mortgage the credit of the offense thanks Mike McCarthy gets the blame that's how the show works. Well, I would say this though Mike McCarthy in general I would have been ready to jump all over him. He handed the offense over to Kellen Moore when everyone expected him not to do anything close to that maybe not even retain Kelly Moore. So I'm not here to kill McCarthy I just thought. That sequence to me felt diabolical. You gotta get out of there tying the game come on on on the I'm with you on that. All right. Bat Is the end of the first. Of many. Flagship programs around the NFL podcasts in the twenty twenty season week. One Sunday is in the books a reminder that you could check out this show. If you want on Youtube where Ricky Hollywood is going to do her thing and put that online and we will be back with our next podcast episode on Tuesday where we will lab recap the to Monday night football games and then do a little a look back at week one and look ahead to week to the wheel goes round and round. Were spending we're spending. Laura, this is Dan hand the signing up for. The. Mailman. Who by the way he went to bed news Yeah the old boss. Sizzler. Ricki Hall. Filters. Thanks.

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The Ocho: What if the penalty on Anthony Hitchens stood?

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The Ocho: What if the penalty on Anthony Hitchens stood?

"Nona. What up world, welcome to another episode of the Ocho presented you as always in partnership, but that's be nations blogging. The boys dot com, my name, or Joe Chawla, you know, me, of course, from BT be, and from right here is your humble host on the Ocho. Happy Tuesday, June twenty fifth two thousand nineteen another day another dollar another podcast. That's right. We're back to everyday schedule here on the Ocho, although I'm going to be honest with you go every day. And that is our normal thing here on the show. However, we will have a brief sort of, to issue week hiatus of sorts just this particular show will still keep our normal shows across BT be coming up here in a little bit. I'm going to Israel with my family, and if you have any advice for that, please, please pass that along so that will keep us a little busy can imagine. But we'll be back for the second half of July back to. Everyday episodes, and then through Oxnard will have lots of audit from training camp and then be every day every day, obviously through Super Bowl fifty four when the Cowboys winning. It is a new episode on Monday. We had Bobby belt from NFL network talked about the similarities between the seven to nine Cowboys twenty sixteen to twenty eight teams there was a lot of fun. It's really great conversation. And it did kind of kick start our little, what if series here across the nation. There are a lot of what if that you can explore across the NFL, and obviously across the Cowboys but a lot of them have been done before. I think a lot of people go to the same what ifs. And, you know, they're there for good reason. I mean, they're really fascinating questions, but I want to tackle some different. What is this week? And the first one is a what if I've thought about a lot of times, what if the penalty against Anthony Hitchens in the twenty four hundred watt crowd round against the Detroit Lions what if the ref did not pick that flag backup. What happens? What, what is what is the result of what did the lions win that game? What does that mean for Jason Garrett? What does it mean for Tony Romo? What does that mean for Brian so on? And so forth, you can really peel that onion back, a lot of ways you know what they say, NFL teams and games are like ogres, which are like onions layers. But so in order to really properly explore this broaden, Tom rile, our cohort over a BTV Thomas fantastic, one of our front page writers, Adam on the show before he and Michael Sizemore, one of other front page writers. It'd be do a show here on the blog on the voice podcast now. Brews in the boys, if you subscribe to us, you have access to that, as well, by the way subscribed to be podcast feed wherever you get your podcast, give us a rating leave a review that would help, but if not, we'll still love you Tom and I talked about the what if that surrounds this question, because there's a lot of ways you can look at this. So we're going to get to that here in a second. But before we do on Monday, Amari Cooper made the media rounds he was. Gatorade beat the heat campaign. If you've listened to me for a while you might remember that we had Byron Jones on last year when he was part of the campaign with Gatorade and Amari Cooper is a result did a bunch of appearances on Monday. He was on the Dan Patrick show, and he was on I take, and I know a lot of people don't watch that show. You know, it is what it is. That's what we're talking about. But Amari had a few interesting soundbites. I he was asked about that Prescott because the subject of dad getting bid contract is obviously one that a lobby will have debated for a lot of times a lot of times should say, if feels like for a lot of times, but Amari had a really powerful answer. So here is a Mark on Monday on ESPN's. I take talking about Dak Prescott know most quarterbacks don't have the best bodies probably don't care much about the weight room because they're more on the cerebral side of the game. But every rep series doesn't miss a rep. And I think that's a that's a big part of who he is. He's just a comp-. Competitive, he wants to do everything the right way. And I haven't played too many guys like back Prescott. So I think he deserves everything that's coming on. He definitely deserves to be paid amongst the highest quarterbacks in the league again. Really, powerful words there from Amari, and allowed people had responses to this on Twitter. What else is he going to say you're gonna throw his gone to the boss? Look a Mark Cuban is really has reputation Elise to be really soft spoken person. But when you get them talking about the right thing, he really is a powerfully spoken individual. And so that's really, really interesting, quote from via Cooper to talk about how dad pays attention small things. A little things wants to get better. We hear that all the time about that. And I think that's a testament Hudek isn't kind of teammate, he is. And you do want to sort of symbiotic relationship between he and Amari Cooper of all people given the connection. It's necessary for them for the football team to have success. That's obvious. Amari though was not only asked about Dak in the. Future of his contractual status with the Cowboys. But Amari, also, obviously, is in the middle of a contract extension, or at least a lot of people believe him to be he is on the last year of his current contract fifth year option is rookie deal that the Oakland Raiders picked up and Amari Cooper, looks like he's going to get paid. We talked about this, Michael Thomas apparently from the New Orleans Saints looks like he could fetch, you know, north of twenty million dollars per year, and odd people have said, well that's gonna make them on expensive. That's gonna freak you know this whole situation. Whatever Amari also on first take was asked about this and gave a really incredible answer league. Do you think you should be the highest paid receiver in the league? Not now definitely looking forward to earn that respect and definitely looking forward to coming into this year and just putting up those numbers to my team and really showing what I can do in a full season. As Dallas Cowboys, I know that I have the skill set to be wonder highs payments. I'm all about going out there. Seriously? I mean. That says a lot. I mean, the fact that he would start off will no not now. I mean, and look the whole point here is that, that's a really humble way to think that's a really extreme level of humility that Amari Cooper, obviously, has, and that's a really good thing. And a lot of people tend to associate wide receivers with diva an outgoing, and, you know, outspoken personalities that's clearly, not the case with Amari Cooper, he is such a fascinating individual. I know John chef daas more news had a great tweet on Monday of Mari talking about playing chess. And we, we know he's fond of this, and he play all the time and the Cowboys locker and. I don't know if I've ever said this. I'm a huge chess fan. No big deal sixth grade. Maybe we were the second best team in the nation. I'm really proud of that actually Brownsville Texas has one of the best chess programs in the country and we help build that. So shout out to you and five six but Amari talked about how the night is his favourite piece in the game of chess. And if you don't understand chess, it's really not that hard. But the night is the horse piece looks like a horse and it can travel in the shape of an l everything else travels in a full were direction. One way or another, whether that's upper down left or right or diagonally. The night is the only piece that can, you know, transition in a way like that in an l shape that can cross over a row, so to speak without it being directly diagonal. And so there are a lot of great chess, mine's, a lot of chess grandmasters, that do believe that night is the most powerful piece in the game. There's a lot of point association nights and bishops are often associated with having equal value. But then all. People dismissed that theory that nights are, in fact, more equivalent rooks, etc. Because of their ability to transition different space, and that's kind of remarkable is, and I think the fact that he answered that question like that says a lot at least to me, and so really cool to hear Martin. He was on I take on Monday. And so if you miss that, I think it was well worth them giving some time to let's get to our, what if though, Tom rile, again fellow front page writer over at blog on the boys dot com, joined us to discuss. What if the penalty on Anthony Hitchens into two thousand fourteen wildcard around against the Detroit Lions, what of that bad boy stood? It's a really interesting conversation one. I hope you enjoy. So let's get to it. Tom rile, from BDB joins us next right here on the Joe. With us. Now's a great friend of mine, and a great friend of yours, my compadres of the legendary Tom rile. You can find him on Twitter at Tom rile, ZD. You can find them all over our front page. Log on the voice dot com and you can probably find him on a poster in your house somewhere, because he's that beloved Tom. I love my friends. Oh, you put me up, so much the sunshine shining and places that never shown before. Well, that's, that's the way it is. It's actually the sun is breaking through here in San Antonio. It's been raining. Sun's coming out is you and I are recording. I don't think that's a coincidence. You bring the sunlight wherever you are. Oh, getting getting sick here. So I wanted to have you on. It's what if we across our network across the nation. Lots of what if being explored with regard to different NFL teams in inex- didn't do this a lot of ways? And obviously we're gonna talk some what is with the Cowboys over blog on the boys this week. And I know you're working on something. We'll tease that at the end. But I want to have you on specifically, discuss one particular. What if and when I floated out, I said, we're gonna talk, what if you know, whatever I said, on Twitter, every every time you do that you get the well, what if Dez caught it? What if demarcated fumble? They're all to do with the game in Green Bay the divisional round twenty fourteen 'cause if the Cowboys win everybody thinks they beat the Seahawks Todd game. So on and so forth, I wanna go week before that. I wanna rewind one more week in the wildcard round in two thousand fourteen you know, it was a painful way, obviously, for the Cavs to lose to the. Packers but a slightly less painful way was the way to Detroit Lions loss, Cowboys and art of that. The big part of that was the Anthony Hitchens penalty flag that was picked up now to set the stage, everybody remembers the moment, but there was just over eight minutes left in the fourth quarter, the lions if this past stands this, Brandon Pettigrew completion would have the ball at the Cowboys thirty yard line approximately at the time they had a three point lead on the Cowboys. The Cowboys did have all three timeouts. It was twenty two seventeen but I think it's fair as soon the lions at worst walking away with the field goal perhaps even punted for six and then you're down by ten you know with five ish minutes ago, that's probably not going to happen. So I'll ask you first time if that penalty flag is not picked up on Anthony Hitchens. Do the lions win that game. I think it's better than a fifty fifty shot for them because of the situation. Yeah. Puts them in really good field position. So it's, you know, you can't say it's definite, but I think it's more likely than not the lions wound up, winning it, and the Cowboys school home. And then as you said, it's a fascinating chain of events that you can roll out and extends beyond just that postseason to. Right. So this was the first playoff win for Jason Garrett as the head coach of the convoys in his fourth full season. It was not the first win for Tony Romo who at the time though people forget this time, because we live in an era, now twenty nineteen where Romo is elevated, I think, by lot of people and, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty at this time he was still kind of it wasn't quite fifty fifty it was kind of like those lines shots. You know there was there was deaf. A sector of people that were not on board. But this win really bought him. I think a lot of a lot with couched ends. But if the Cowboys don't win this game because I'm with you, if the lions you know, don't have this penalty picked up. There's a good shot. They win that game. You're talking than the Cowboys. You know, see this promising season end at the hand of the Detroit Lions that, by the way, ended up being Dhamma Kong sues last game with Detroit's who knows what happens down that side of the rabbit hole. But the Cowboys lose what happens with Jason 'cause 'cause he gets an extensive. You'll forget that he got extended that season. I mean if he doesn't have a playoff win on his resume after four and a half years. I think there's a legitimate case to be made. He doesn't get one. Yeah. Are, you know, maybe? One year prove it deal. And we all remember what happens twenty fifteen? Oh, that's a great point. If he does get that prove deal and then Romo gets hurt you maybe do kind of see the whole thing. Reset. That's a great point. And maybe to, to that point, the, you know, because I think everybody in two thousand fifteen gave him that mulligan that said, well, look what happened last year, you know, obviously Romo got her so that's not really his fault. But you're right. That favor wouldn't have been built up. Yeah. And you don't know how much row picot because of getting a playoff win. But those those are big things on your resume in the NFL. You know to finally get into the play offs. Get a win. You know that, that carries a lot of weight, and has to influence, the thinking of Jerry and Steven Jones. So you know, I think it really was important for Garrett. Give a chance to do what he's done in the intervening years, which, you know, I think he's done a good job. You know, there's, there's some kind of weird things along the way, mainly centering around drew problems that crop up at sometimes. And so, you know, I think I just I really think that game had gone down as a loss. It's very doubtful. We'd still be looking at Jason Garrett. We might have found out, it was really anything going on with the show. Hong Payton or the Lincoln Riley rumors. That's an interesting way to put it and I believe, in twenty four teen the New Orleans Saints missed the playoffs as well. Because they know that they were wildcard team in twenty thirteen. They beat at the time the Nick foles, the first version of the Nick foles eagles, as I say that I'm looking up whether the saints because you're right. Maybe, maybe the Cowboys make a you know, a bid, whatever you wanna call it for Sean Payton after twenty fourteen season. And in fact, in two thousand fourteen the saints did miss, the playoffs miss them and fourteen fifteen and sixteen before that twenty seventeen season where they lost the Minnesota Vikings. So okay, so we've gre- that Jason Garrett is maybe out or maybe certainly a lot closer to being out. He's the very least probably not the coach of the Cowboys in twenty nineteen if he does not get this win. But I also will ask you, Tom. What happens to the culture of the team then because we saw a really radical momentary shift in the twenty fifteen offseason that was when they went in guy, Greg hardy, because they thought were were that one piece away, we need that guy. You know, we just need him 'cause DeMarcus Lawrence of come on, obviously, on in his rookie year, then at, you know, specifically when we would have never gotten that moment, by the way, if fantasy Hitchings penalties fans and so maybe maybe they go further into the if they really like let's get Greg hardy. Let's get whoever else or maybe they're really shy about that. And they say no, we've really got a, you know, kind of fix this. What what's your take on that? Wow. That is that was a little bit harder to quantify because I do think would certainly change the one piece away thinking, that's. Yeah. Stole fake that would have been the same mindset. And now. I don't know if it was if that would belong on been been, plus or minus because I it's maybe kind of way of thinking, but I think peop- read the failed. Greg hardy experiment has really kinda shaped with the pain is doing now. I think that just not going to make that it reaches some steak about a player again. I think they got burned. And sometimes you have to get burned to learn not to touch point. I do agree, though that 'cause it did feel like that, you know, and everybody at the time was really trying to quit. We do this every year time it's like every time they went to a game. It's like well that's or they get bouncing the playoffs. That's their version of losing the lions in nineteen ninety one. You know, everybody's always trying to do that. And everybody thought Greg hardy was akin to them the way Charles Haley was to the nineties decades team. And would have that sort of influence in he was this guy with a checkered past whatever, but I agree. I don't know that they are may be as likely to do that because they probably feel, hey, you know, we have a lot more problems. Do you think than if they lose that game to Detroit that they are maybe more inclined to replace DeMarco Murray on Healy's Philadelphia because maybe they feel like we really have to get back on track? I don't you know, I guess I just don't know that they were going to be keeping DeMarco Murray anyway. But he not keeping him but they didn't draft anybody, you know what I mean. So maybe they're, you know, they're big replace him and was Darren McFadden, you know, maybe they. Oh, yeah. I was looking at a little differently. Yeah. I can see that they might have been a little more. They might have been wanting to pull that trigger. They pulled the Elliott year earlier what you're saying. Right. And so, yeah, David Johnson do Johnson. Tevin coleman. I mean they pass on all those guys in the twenty fifteen draft. Maybe if they're not this team that wanna play off game. Maybe they do feel a little bit more poll to go get a guy to hand the you know. And I know that Joseph Randall experiment failed at the time, but maybe they really feel like we've got to get somebody replace the Marco. He's gone. Yeah. That, that I can see that. Yeah, they might have. Well, I would have changed the draft board rule. But anyway, and who knows how that would ripple out? And so, yeah, they may have wanted to, to pull pull a different trigger that way in and looked at different problems. Also. So, yeah. You know they. They probably felt that the rest of the supporting cast around Romo was good. They just, you know, so they felt was okay to go. You know, they still have, you know, Alon there. But if they lose the game they will Carter somewhere else. Yeah. That and that just, you know, you can come up with endless possibilities, how that could have affected the building of the roster. Right. Because and you could do this is a whole separate. What if I've, I've thought about this differently if they do draft pick one, Tevin Coleman do John's, we know they, they've been connected to do Johnson different times if they do do that. And even if the twenty fifteen season unfolds, the way does they probably still don't draft Zeke in twenty sixteen and then that's probably Jalen Ramsey, and then who knows the way the rest of the, you know insults. Yeah. Because every year your, your roster determines, what you're going to be doing in the draft. So, yeah, it just goes on and on. You know, you said it's a heap rabble, let's get back to this because we, you know, we, we took a detour. We stopped we guest up. We got some snacks buggies. And we, we were talking too much time. Let's get back in the car and stay down this rabbit hole. You know if Anthony Hitchens penalty stands, what happens to Tony romo's legacy because that was half of his playoff victories for the cobwebs yet that win. Then the win over the Philadelphia Eagles, five years prior. I mean, we saw I, I don't think much is affected in terms of the way the Cowboys you him because they were inclined to go with deck. Anyway. Two years later, but how is Tony Romo perceived across Cowboys fandom if he finished his career with only one playoff victory. We never get that moment where he's lying on the ground on his belly after he found terms for the touchdown. If this Anthony, Hitchens penalty stands, you know, and he's robbed of that moment, robbed of that sort of indication. How, how does the fan base e him in your opinion? If things go this way. I certainly would have cut into his legacy fairly significantly not just because you wouldn't have had the victory in that game. But, you know there is a perception, if he got robbed then in the next game, you know, the, the, the infamous catch that wasn't what really was. But even more importantly, it was the fumble by DeMarco Murray. You know Roma was quarterbacking that game well enough to win it. You're talking around him Jess, and it was, you know the the Murray flood. And then the, you know, the officiating which I gotta be careful how I wanna language about that. But yeah. I think the fact that everyone looked at Roma's having been let down by a teammate and by the officials, really well end up colouring his reputation in how people remember him a player a lot more than you might think. I really think that would really hurt if you would just have been seen. He wouldn't have had this image of a guy that just never quite had everything fall into place for him. He would have been seen a lot more guy that really just couldn't win the big ones. So I mean I don't wanna put words in your mouth. And I if, if this is the case, I absolutely agree with you. But our what is what you're saying, Tom than that. And look, if Tony Romo wins that game in Green Bay, obviously that affects his legacy in whole different way. But is the point here that losing that game, the what the specific way, the Cowboys loss was actually in, in some way, a very beneficial? Thing for his resume. I mean these that your point. Yeah, it was because it wasn't his play. It was such. It was a same, where it just was like other people him down. Right. 'cause he was. If Maria Kip that ball Cowboys just walked away with that win. No, I agree. I think that I think that there are legacy boosting losses that you can have certainly and that's definitely one of them. And I think Romo probably the clubhouse leader, you know, pun, there is a courthouse frequenter, but I mean you know, I wrote something I don't know if you saw the comments on this time over the weekend. Then I wrote about it was just kind of fun for him. Post what Cal was game. Do you wish you could have been at over the last five years and just kind of a lot of people said the Steelers game in two thousand sixteen etc? And there were so many people who said the twenty thirteen game against the Denver Broncos in, I mean that's weird because the Cowboys lost. But, you know that, that loss is heralded so much more than, you know, so many wins, because it was this, you know, bookmark game for Tony Romo. You know what I mean? So that's, that's also one of those losses that to your point, you kind of, you know, it really boosts credibility in that, man, the dude hung, you know, five hundred yards they did all this, and he lost. And that really works his way more than just, you know, a twenty sixteen win over the bucks. Koto with one of the greatest quarterbacks ever and didn't flinch. Right. Interesting. I agree that so if to get again, we stopped the buck is. But right now, we stopped at Waterberg Tom, you, you're hungry. What had to get food? I mean, there's a lot of tours on this, this route. But if the if the Hitchens penalty stands will never get the Romo, you know, I mean, for lack of a better way to put it you know, we never get people feeling sorry for him. I think that's kind of what, but of all from that season. And that's what made him. So beloved to so many people and similarly the way I think his legacy was boosted. I really believe that Dez Bryant legacy and reputation, not just within the Cowboys across the NFL was boosted by that game that wouldn't have happened because if the desk catches never even an option Dez does. That's desert signature thing. Right. I mean, like there will get does will be doing autograph sessions in thirty years. You know, signing Dez caught you know what I mean? And you know profiting off of that moment. In different ways in different capacities. And I really believe that if that doesn't happen or that game isn't isn't materialized than Dez is just a receiver. The play for the Cowboys that happen to, you know, lead the, the franchise in receiving touchdowns when he was done. He's not this, you know, this hallmark sort of character that people really tied themselves to emotionally because I think that, that tied, a lot of people that is because they felt he was he was the figurehead for that moment. Do you think he's his legacies at all impacted by this? I think it is because let's face it, if you ask somebody about his Brian, what they remember the most ninety nine out of one hundred are going to tell you when e called it. But they and they didn't allow I mean that is a defining play in a way that very few plays are for any NFL player. That is just it's so late to him. I mean he drove a major rule change. He just that echoed for a long time, even now we're seeing how they're still trying to figure out passing ferrets rules and how to call catches and stuff. And that, that is a unique case where a play the win against him was not only the defining moment, but in a positive way, yeah, it's. Does that happen? No. I mean can you name another play like that? Not even a Cowboys play. Can you name another play like that, that we have seen a play that in terms of, of win loss? You know, regard was negative for player, but boosted the player significantly, the only one that I can come up with, was, I believe, three weeks later, when marshawn Lynch didn't get the ball in, in the Super Bowl. That's the that's the same thing as Dez, you know, but it not being ruled the catch. Yeah. That's, that's kind of kind of a little bit that way. You know, the, the only thing and, and this one isn't an exact peril. The only thing I can think of where players defined by Vegas. Moment would be Joe Fisons broken link, so good point to reactive point at fairly, not exactly. But it's the only other case of a player when you ask about the player, you think of a really bad thing that happened to him and of course, for five it was much worse. But, you know for, for just let's just not normal, and, you know, for for, for Bryant, it's kinda mate, as legend in a way they did. I think I know that you probably feel that sounds hyperbolic, but it doesn't that's the truth. And I think you, can you can go this, that, that did the same thing for desert did for Tony Romo and, you know, again Tom is on twin. Her at Tom rile BT be so you can spam him with all of your trolling comments. But you you be war. Yeah, you weren't I or the troll. That's true. But Tom, you who fought the good fight on Twitter. We all have you've argued in the name of Romo in the name of Dez whatever and you remember what it was like in twenty sixteen the Dak Romo thing, right? I mean, people are him to go with whatever. Excetera I remember I wrote something for ESPN San Antonio website during that twenty sixteen season where I said, you know, that, that, that everybody at that time in two thousand sixteen the version of Romo that they remembered was that throated debt. Because you know if you follow the sequence the only time we saw Tony twenty fifteen the season after were the great was the great comeback against the giants in week one. And then he got hurt and Philly. And then that Miami game which was his last full game. And, you know, he wasn't special but it was just kind of special to have him back and through the left handed pass. Everything, and then he got hurt the Panthers. And so the last version that people kind of held onto remembered was that twenty four team playoff run in. So Dak every time he struggled like that, that second loss of the giants twenty sixteen he was immediately compared to the greatest season that the most typically successful quarterback in the franchise history ever had and to your point, if that Green Bay game is never even something that happens that comparison isn't there. You know what I mean? And I think the say true when when Dez goes on his diatribe, you know, Colin Sean Lee snake and everything I don't think there are as many people loyal to him because I think everybody on Twitter in wherever saying, well, so who cares? What does says he never showed up for us in the playoffs? That's, that's the narrative. Shrew. Yeah. That was as you say, it's, it's, it would would really have changed, not just the way the team group in, in so many ways legacies. You know, Garrett Romo and is all would have had just a very different perception. I think up there. I also think an obviously, our primary concern is the Cowboys. I think the lions RAB would have been a lot different if they win that game. And then it would have become I think the lines become this not rival. That's a really strong word but then it becomes the last two lions playoff wins where the ninety one playoff win that I mentioned over the Cowboys and then that one. And so it's kind of this thing where all man. That would be what everybody was scream. Oh, twenty five years later. The Cowboys twenty three years later Cobb has lost the lines again. They own us. Whatever am I are we are we missing? Somebody Tom that, you know if this penalties not because that's. The thing about this isn't a for anyone that forgets. It's not like a penalty that wasn't called that was what was terrifying about it watching that game. It was the penalty the flag was thrown and they picked it up, which is really rare thing is there somebody were missing somebody whose legacy or future would have been drastically shape that we haven't covered. I don't know my cost kitchens, a few dollars and free agency or something. But I don't I can't really say, I think I think the main thing you know, 'cause you can't speak really out with affected Scotland's future his issues with other things. And he and he was the hot man. You know at that time. Remember that season he came in for Bill Callahan? And then Bill Callahan. Left to Washington. Yeah. And you know, I don't know if got hired back as head coach somewhere might of worked out. Well, but it's it's hard to say I think it's the big three the head coach quarterback. And you know what happened in with wide receiver in the next game. Matthew Stafford would've been a little bit more beloved, I think by people more respected, and who knows who knows who knows what happens there. But this was a fun. What if Tom? Thanks for. We had some tours. We had some fun. I do think this is an underrated. What if because when you think of Cowboys, what is you a lot of people lately, have thought, you know about what if does caught it, obviously, I think you could always go back to what if Jackie Smith Kadett lot of people, I know Espy nations covering, what if what if the Paxton Lynch thing had worked out for Jerry? But what are, what is the what you're working? What if Dak Prescott never got his chance to be the starter. Twenty sixteen. So. Oh, okay. So you're gonna explore that. And this'll be available at blog boys this week. What is obviously, we know that idea, what's your general premise, because we're going to we're going to post, this episode on Tuesday, your, your article should come out of there Tuesday. I mean sometimes I'm so what? Yeah. Okay. Barely started it. So I don't know. Exactly. We'll be ready to publish basically, it's the I don't think back Prescott would be more than an afterthought backup quarterback now. So what would have had to happen then in your opinion, the greatest likelihood for to Nazi field, and you're not even going down the Paxton Lynch hall? You're saying he still gets drafted by the Cowboys. Right. And just is yeah. Third guy on that team so Ramone ever gets hurt or kellyn more never gets hurt. One of doesn't get hurt. Remember it took to quarterback for head of him getting taken out for him to get a shot. You know, go ahead. And if you know telling Moore had broken his foot in a freak accident, he would have been the backup and I think they would've let him go pretty much all season. 'cause I think, you know, even for almo had gone down, and more had to step up and play the season, I think more would have been kind of one of those, you know, purgatory quarterbacks just Pugh. Competitive, but not good enough to win. And I don't think that would have got shot that way, obviously, if roll moment, not got hurt back would have just been somewhere down the depth chart, and there's a lot of reasons why think that would have ever let him develop the what he has become your article will be great. And by the time, the listen this, I can check it out. I will I will say this. I think the Kellen Moore angle is a little bit more interesting because if Callan more doesn't get her. You're righty. The freak accident at an Oxford then you know, you're right. They just probably tread water. They certainly don't win as many games. They did the first half of that season. And you know, because I think that the last straw that broke the camel's back and no pun intended to talk about Romo. But was that win in Pittsburgh ride that one that we already mentioned that was one of the better wins the Cowboys over the last five years that game certainly doesn't happen that way with Cullen more quarterback? So, I think Romo is definitely allow. To come back. If Kellen Moore had never gotten her, and you're right that we never see back. I also wonder if that's the case of killing never gets her. Is he offense coordinator, three years later? Almost certainly not think you'd still be hanging on a backup. So, yeah, it's there's a lot of there's a couple of angles there to look at probably, I thought of you so interesting. Well, that's the beauty of podcasts time as we can talk about it. You know. And then you can do then we can publish this and we want we, we control time right now. Still, thanks for doing this time at Tom rile on Twitter, you can find him in all of our great teammates, bog on the boys dot com. Any last words Thomas. Hey, it's just about a month to great gap starts, so get ready. Okay. I'm getting ready who's your pet cat? Are you don't wanna give it away? Oh on Larry Allen. Junior way. Absolutely. No, no hope that he's going to make the roster. But I wanna be pulling for him. You know, it's just cinema reasons who do you think is, as my very last question. Who do you think will be the most popular pet cat? All say that. Oh Paul pick. It'll be Cedrick Wilson. I think that a lot of people jumping on that. Yeah. He's a he's a good one. I'm trying to think of the name of the really talk on the back. I think he's another one. Okay. Really? They really talk corner. And you put really talk corner with Christmas, chard you doing well. Yeah. I can't remember his name, but, you know, everybody's EDNA and I haven't got my call the Cornerbacks of my review, but I think that's the guy you my watch go out of people like you look at him. And I think John Johnson's going to be a popular choice to just because you see wide receivers break grew with Cowboys at a lot of people. We will confer guy, this really gotta shot to make it. That's a great point. I could see it. Now you can see like the video tweet of of him. You know, having a great player something, just one of the days Oxnard, I think I know I'll be the one that tweets it 'cause I'll be there for a week. And I guarantee it will be like a thousand people that coach with it with JV, Jay. That's gonna be the JV Jay. He's like, that's the new version of LV. So we'll see. I does. And by the way, that was a nice subtle plug. You're doing a position of you at the site right? So you rolling out kinda. Little by little reviewing each position, as we creep towards China. Yeah, I got about four more to go to finish up series. Okay, tom. Well. They're on their with all you wait. You can link back all the earlier ones. If you read the latest one, so it's, you know, just take a look at it. I'm trying to cover all the people. They have right now. The, the running back already been outdated since they added you full. That's okay. That's all right. By the way, I heard them talk with us on the break recently and I just thought about remember Ryan Williams. Those were some fun times like when you were just struggling to believe in anything. The Ryan Williams thing was an easy thing to believe him. It's, you know, I remember Matt Johnson. Unicorn oh man. Yes. The the corn. And you know that or the days when I was considered the curse for pick castle how to pick one. Yeah. You've you've got a bit of reputation across BTV, but here, finally outgrew it did Tom, we're all proud of you. You can catch Tom lot on the boys dot com with all of us. And you know, bruising the boys guys, seventy episode coming up pretty soon. I bet Tom have should be here should be soon. Right. You're gonna promise. I'm waiting to hear from Michael drives that training. That's Michael FIS more at Mr. Cise for. He's the one that says to schedule, but we usually record around to the or so. Okay. Perfect Tom well you have a great rest of your week. And what's. Many, thanks Tom for stopping by the show to talk. What if again on Twitter at Tom row? BTV Tom's going to have his own. What if this week over blog on the boys, make sure you check it out. What if Dak Prescott never got a chance? It's an interesting. What if I know that we're gonna explore some more? What if over the rest of this week? So get ready to scratch in scratch your head and just kind of ponder this week. I don't know. Ponders is a word. I know that Ponderosa is the place that they they send people to survivor after they're eliminated from the game. Speaking of it's, it's big brother week big brother. Premiers this week. That's how you really know football season's right around the corner is when big brother comes out on CBS, so I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully you're looking for the rest of our, what if we are going to tackle what if the Cowboys never traded for Amari Cooper last season? I know that's a really fresh one, but it's worth exploring my deal with a special friend. We'll see if you have a what if you want us to explore trying to think outside the box because again Dez? Jackie Smith those things those have been done. We're talking about what if that really haven't been talked about before, and we'll get to them this week? So with that being said, make sure you have the absolute best Tuesday of your life, the absolute best, Tuesday, and have the absolute best Wednesday. Absolute best Thursday Friday, why stop there go all the way, maybe and we will see him in the honor. My friends is always go Cowboys NPR. NPR.

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2/14/2020 - Thunder, Riley, Astros, Miles Garrett, OU beats ISU, Winston, 2034

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2/14/2020 - Thunder, Riley, Astros, Miles Garrett, OU beats ISU, Winston, 2034

"Baby the Oklahoma City Thunder. Get A win tonight against the New Orleans. Pelicans IN ZION on Williamson. Today is Valentine's Day but Oklahoma City is officially on a break. Thunder are thirty three and twenty two on the season. Now after this victory one twenty three eighteen they are continuing to try to crawl up the western conference standings. They're currently sixth in the Western Conference. Standings they are behind the Houston Rockets in the Utah Jazz. Just three and a half back from UTAH. Oklahoma City. Not Do themselves any favors with those two losses to the Spurs and the Boston Celtics. Big around the against Lincoln Riley press conference took place a couple days ago yes Lincoln Riley dinner press conference where he talked about stuff and he avoided questions. Did he say anything important? Maybe probably we could talk about it. I'm GonNa talk about it but it's like an Riley and it's a press conference and the guy doesn't answer questions but he actually did say some interesting stuff. He talked about the defensive players transferred out of his program over the course of the summer. The new kids coming in and who he's excited about in he divulged his own personal rankings about one specific player that's eighty spots higher than the recruiting sites whose write Lincoln or rivals. We talk about that here now. You Miss me man. Paolo around the baby back with interest today is Valentine's Day. The day of love the day of harmony. Makes you tell Your Wife Your Lover Hope. You bought her flowers and candy some when she wakes up. She is excited for the day. But congratulations to all you out there and all you lovers on this Special Valentine's Day episode of the Big Story Today podcast. Just WanNa give a shout out to my wife. She listened to every single one of these episodes of this podcast even though she does not care about sports at all that my friends is true. Love while baby. Pity the big story of the day. Podcast we are part of the franchise podcast network which is sponsored by new balance and Edmund at fourteen many to south Bryant Avenue at Spring Creek Plaza in Edmond. Make sure you head up to new balance and tell them the big story today. Podcast since you. We're also sponsored by Lucky Star Casino Concert Oklahoma. An awesome place to place a wager. Hang out incredible restaurant. They'll take care of. You always a good time at lucky stars. Short thirty five minute drive from the Metro. All right it is now Valentine's Day that's right. It's February fourteenth. Make sure You buy flowers candy and all those things for your loved one. Do not forget men. Today is indeed Valentine's Day the Oklahoma City Thunder got a win last night over the New Orleans. Pelicans this is the final game heading into the all star break now the Oklahoma City Thunder thirty three and twenty two. They actually have pretty impressive. Sixteen and ten record on the road. This season New Orleans at twenty three and thirty two. Do not get lost in the story of this game. New Orleans. Yes well below. Five hundred coming in hot on a three Game Win Streak Zion Williamson seem to be helping. Elevate the New Orleans Pelicans into a playoff contender with outside hopes of making the postseason this year but the thunder got massive victory. Now there were some points that I felt a little proven right. I said coming into the game that if I was going to build a player the thunder are not meant to guard. It was absolutely that came to fruition. He had thirty two points last night in the loss for the pelicans eleven nine hundred for the floor. I assume most under fans got the joy of watching Zion Williamson. This guy is truly must see television. He was a ton of fun. But you have to give it up to the thunder as a whole is e. Danila gown are putting twenty nine points of twelve twelve eighteen shooting. He was electric and it's incredibly efficient from the floor. But Chris Paul yet again. Fourteen points twelve assists if you just look at the box score. His impact is not felt. He's only five or twelve from the field but man did it make a huge difference when he was out there as the leading man for this thunder team use a plus eighteen single game box score plus minus what you always have to take with the giant massive huge grain of salt but he was nearly double every other starter in the starting lineup. Tonight he was awesome all the bench players thunder. I felt really struggled. Maximum Scala though was one hundred percent of the floor. He was the lone bright spot. Four four to two even three point line with ten points dish ruder. Seven to sixteen with twenty two points. He was one of four from three point line. Dennis continues his good play again outside of that. Abdul Nacer Turns Ferguson Nerlens Noel. Rough night's from all those cast of characters Oklahoma City shot fifty percent from the floor as well forty eight percent for the three point. Line that three point shot really a large part of why Oklahoma City was able to come away. Victory they also shot eighty two percent from three one a small story that I just personally love and find fascinating if you recall last year. Oklahoma City as a team mostly led by Russell. Westbrook really struggled from the free throw stripe man is. It makes a huge difference whenever it's in the closing moments of a game and you have no fear about any of your guards. Making free throws down the stretch. I'm confident and Shea. I'm confident that Chris. Paul I'm confident. Danilo I'm confident didn't Schreuder the only guy who might be out there in the closing moments who. I'd be skeptical of his Stephen Adams who would have won tonight from the free throw line but may what a giant difference from this time last year to now the biggest story again taking from this game is that Oklahoma City only had seven turnovers seven such a small miniscule number Chris Paul who obviously dominates the ball only had one shea had zero tonight. It's a great game from him as well as far as that standpoint goes to seventeen points but they forced the pelicans induce seventeen turnovers. When you win the turnover battle by ten and you shoot. Eighty two percent from the free throw line is going to be hard pressed to find a way to lose this game so good for Oklahoma City. They closed down style. Obviously a monster. Second quarter where they outscored the Pelicans by nine points and that really helped contribute to Oklahoma City coming away with the win a positive affirmation win here because they'd been really playing poorly heading into this all star break up until this one so all under fans out there can take a deep breath and a sigh of relief. And I know that they're going to all star break on a on a happy note here Lincoln. Riley held a press conference two days ago. And if you're wondering why it's just not making the podcast. Because yesterday I did not get one published. I apologize every so often. I'M GONNA miss. I do my best. I have a few more responsibilities now that cut into that a little bit so I apologize when I do miss but obviously yesterday was one of those so regardless I will now recap the Lincoln Riley press conference a lot of what you would expect from the assistant coaches obvious DEMARCO. Murray though was impressive there was some question marks coming into it. You know former. Nfl player former great player. You're always a little curious of what their motivations are coming in to be a football coach. Demarco Murray said that he's wanted to coach since he could remember and he's excited about the opportunity and he pursued Oklahoma maybe a little bit more than Oklahoma pursued. Him initially So you should be excited if you're sooners fan. That DEMARCO is back in Norman but the big takeaways were everything that Lincoln Riley said Few key notes here is obviously. There was a lot of defensive. Transfers over the course of this summer period and Lincoln said. He was not shocked by that at all. He gave few differ reasons and they're probably all valid. A lot of those players were recruited by different coaching staff. That was running a different scheme. the so that might contribute to some of the need of those players moving. Also Lincoln said that we've been recruiting better on that side of the ball so we have a lot of young talent taking time away from people who maybe were expecting snaps and then he said there's also other things that could lead to a kid transferring. That don't involve anything about football. All that very well may drew but he did not seem worried about it. The only thing that I would say that caught Lincoln a little bit. You could tell. Rub Him the wrong way. Is that going into this signing period. Oh you had thirty available scholarships you can only sign twenty five in one given period so it doesn't matter if you have seventy available scholarships no football program ever would. But if you had seventy available scholarships you could still only sign twenty-five. That is a little bit of something that the NCAA needs to look into now. They've added the transfer portal as a factor in college football. So you could tell. Lincoln was a little bothered by that that he was gonna five scholarships that he was not gonna be able to use for this signing period. But neither here nor there overall on that side of the ball. Nothing really shocking. The transfer news now Lincoln was talking about his incoming recruiting class and he actually linked it to the twenty fifteen class on the offensive side of the ball. He said he can feel like the perception of Oklahoma is changing now on that side of the football similar in two thousand fifteen when it felt like the offense was changing on that side of the football. And he said you know in two thousand fifteen all of a sudden we recruit a guy like CD lamb cuyler Murray Markey's brown and those guys used to not consider Oklahoma. But now we're coming to Norman. He said that's what this class feels. Like on the defensive side of the ball. I'm going to let that set in. He just compared this recruiting class on the defensive side of the ball to the likes of Kylie Murray. Cd Lamb and Markey's Brown. I if Lincoln obviously isn't saying any of those guys are going to be as impactful or as good of NFL prospects as those three words but my goodness talk about putting these kids behind the eight ball from the jump. I I'm sure if Lincoln had the opportunity to re describe how excited he is about this class he may do so in a different way. He's usually a pretty reserved guy when it comes to these press conferences but that was pretty clear that he was very very excited about where. Oklahoma was going in. The recruiting ranks on the defensive side and by and large at all goes to Alex Greenwich. And he's hoping that this thing will finally get turned around in the right direction. He feels like they're finally getting in the doors of players who used to not be available to Oklahoma in years past so that seems to be all going the right direction. Lincoln also addressed the fact that there was obviously a handful of players are suspended going into the bowl game and he would not address that he said we update you at a later time. I tried to follow up with a couple of people I know close to the program. What exactly timeline. That means. Not Not details of okay. So does that mean. They're going to miss week one. They're going to miss week to just. When are we going to get clarity on what that suspension is going to be and by and large people close the programmers shocked that they're not just addressing this head on there isn't a lot of wiggle room left? This seems to be a pretty clear suspension that involves marijuana which is a mandated. Six Games so by that logic the players who were involved would have to miss five games is seems to be an up open and shut case. All the appeals have been filed but Lincoln Riley again playing the cards close to the chest and refusing to give an inch when it comes to details about his program. So we're left in the dark there as well now again. Some other news that I just personally found interesting. I don't know if anybody else is really going to care about this. But Obviously Chandler. Morris was the sole quarterback coming into this class. He was a three star prospect. He was ranked eighteenth at his position by rivals. Dot Com jailer. Moore's obviously he's his dad was the head coach at Arkansas and he was like. Oh this summer. So that opened the door for Chandler to be able to make his way down to Norman or up to Norman since he's from Dallas and that's all well and good but Lincoln Riley actually said he had him as the number one quarterback in this class and that was the only quarterback he felt comfortable offering in this class. That's high praise for Chandler. More is obviously this is going to be spent a rattler show for at least the foreseeable future but taking everything that Lincoln said you know you? Never WanNA assume a five star guy is gonNa work out especially at the quarterback position man. I can make you a laundry list of guys who have not worked out as a five star quarterback who everyone assumed was going to be a superstar and I have his high hopes for Spencer. Rattlers anybody but Lincoln's pretty confident that he might have an incredible backup. Plan or someone to fill and Spencer rattlers shoes and Chandler Morris up the road so another person to monitor the first player. Outta Lincoln's mouth though heading into the press conference almost thirty seconds after a beginning. Was Reggie Grimes. The defense event from Brentwood Tennessee the four star product. He's writing eight his position and one twenty three overall i. I don't know a whole lot about Reggie. Grimes other than the fact that people tell me. He's very good but Lincoln you could tell was a big fan of what grimes could bring to his team. He also mentioned. Grimes played running back in high school. He six five at two forty. That's hard to imagine. That's a huge running back in high school but whatever. The kids obviously a freak athlete. This'll be the one player on the defensive side of the ball. If I was fan I would say we might see him. Play some halfway meaningful snaps next year. I don't think he's going to be a full time starter. I don't think he's competing for a position but on third and sixteen for trying to get the speed on the field. It wouldn't shock. Me Of grimes is a part of that package for next year myles. Garrett got reinstated a couple of days ago in the NFL. He obviously is known for swinging a helmet at a helmet. Lewis Mason Rudolph. He missed the final six games of the year. After being suspended indefinitely from the Commissioner Roger Goodell he met with Goodell earlier this week and the two apparently had a very pleasant conversation. Goodell said it was a very heartfelt apology. And that's what led to him reinstating Myles Garrett immediately. I Dunno by you guys. Six Games sure does not feel like enough for assaulting a man on national television. The whole point of these suspensions so that no one ever does this again in the future and I don't know if anybody will but if it happens it everyone is going to point to the fact that Roger Goodell was too lenient with myles Garrett here there's also a little bit of a developing story this coming from Jake Trotter of ESPN. He saying that. Myles Garrett is indeed doubling down on the story that Mason Rudolph might used a racial slur before the fight broke out. I don't know what to make of that but it does make this more complicated. Obviously we gotta take every accusation seriously and tried to hear it all the way through the end but no one is corroborating myles. Garrett story other than himself. I actually made a point yesterday on the radio that had it and brought it up since initially talking about it just a few days after the incident but then Lo and behold the story broke immediately after we got off the air that he is indeed still climbing. That's what happened. This is a sticky situation. But what we can all agree is that nobody was in the right here in. Everyone deserves some more punishment I think. Mason Rudolph should have missed some time as well but miles gary getting only six games truly truly another massive mistake from the NFL for an office but then again. What do we expect at this point? The Oklahoma sooners beat the IOWA STATE CYCLONES. Two nights ago ninety two sixty one. This was like drumming of the cyclones on the Norman home floor. Oh you now. Sixteen and eight on the season it all feels certain. I made all these jokes about them. Not being able to make it to march madness that seems to be in the rear view mirror at this point after the West Virginia Win and now this massive win over Iowa state. I was state not a good basketball team. This season. Three and eight and conference plates ten and fourteen overall this year there lubbock Christian little. Who's recently caught a hot streak? Two Games in a row for doolittle twenty points and six rebounds three assists Brady Mad at continues. His solid play with eighteen and five overall a great win for long. Krueger in those guys down there. Norman things seem to be going in the right direction for. Oh you after an up and down season finally leveling out like I mentioned two game win streak now they face off against the Kansas Jayhawks tomorrow morning at eleven. Am on a Saturday. That will be a big time game in Lawrence Kansas. If oh you can find a way to either win that one or the Baylor one. Oh you would be as red hot just about anyone in the big twelve if they can find that victory James Winston got lasix surgery. The team announced from Tampa Bay just a few days ago. So Jameis Winston who through thirty touchdowns passed. You're in thirty interceptions. The first quarterback to ever throw thirty picks in one regular season. He admitted that he refused to wear his contacts during games. I'm just going to let that sink in a quarterback who relies on his is who clearly needs corrective lenses so much so that you qualify for lacy not everyone can get lake. Your vision has to be so poor that you qualify there is a threshold. So he qualified for. Lasik it during games the time when your eyes are the most important. They're probably going to be on a day by day basis. He refused to wear context. I need Jameis Winston to play Tilles fifty the Houston. Astros are making news again yet again. Not for cheating but for talking about cheating ownership from the Astros came out this afternoon and said they'd quote didn't feel like the cheating affected the outcome of the game in that there is they were ward world series. Champions either way sure I mean I guess. If you don't get the title stripped you can say whatever you want. But he did admit it was cheating then he said it didn't affect the outcome than I do at that point. Is that really cheating if it doesn't affect the outcome but the madness did not in there for the Astros so mealy following that statement and I when I say immediate. I mean immediately following that statement. He was asked a question. Said Sir you saying that you cheating did not affect the outcome. His next quote was I never said that. He said we did cheat. But we don't feel like it affected the outcome sir. Did you say you think cheating doesn't affect the outcome? I never said that that is all time. Twenty twenty spent. We've seen some people try to spend narrative a whole lot of different directions as time goes on and we get closer to two thousand twenty five or twenty twenty thirty. I don't know what people are going to be saying by that point because you can just say whatever you want on television and people are just supposed to believe you in every single facet of life but this is this is the most egregious thing I've ever seen in my entire life to say one thing be asked a follow up immediately within forty set less than forty six it was forty two seconds within forty two seconds contradict yourself that is astounding work by the Houston Astros and people wonder why people my age don't give a rat's ass about baseball Oklahoma state announce that they're gonNA be playing Nebraska soon in the sorry not soon in twenty thirty four twenty thirty five. Oklahoma state will be playing against Nebraska cornhuskers. Everyone excited about that. Wake me up in the year. Twenty thirty two so. 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The Ocho: It's almost draft time (plus news!)

Blogging the Boys

20:00 min | 6 months ago

The Ocho: It's almost draft time (plus news!)

"America what world welcome to another episode of the Ocho presented to you in partnership as always. Spf nations blogging. The Boys Dot Com. My Name Arja show of course from bt and from routier as you're humble host on the show. It is Friday April Seventeenth Two thousand twenty. Hope all is well wherever you are. Hope YOU'RE HAPPY SAFE. Healthy practicing social distancing and following all proper protocols procedures and guidelines. We can make it through these days sooner rather than later. It has been fun week here on the show as we have Looked in the rear view mirror Looked at some Some Pass Teams in Dallas cowboys. History tried to figure out what the best one to have never won the super bowl or have not won the super bowl. I should say and I thought we had some good conversations. If you if you missed you can go back and listen on Monday. My Dad joined the show. We talked about the ninety four team on Tuesday and I'll network producer. Bobby Belt joined and we talked about the two thousand. Seventeen on Wednesday Serena Williams from profootballtalk joined and we kind of talked about the two thousand fourteen team but then everything kind of circle back to ninety four and then on Thursday Dallas Cowboys Dot Com. David Hellman joined and we just kind of dilly-dallied around two thousand sixteen before going into a couple of other different subjects and topics but all all in all. I think that I think that we've reached a point where we realize that you know that the nineteen ninety four team is probably the best in franchise history to have not wanted. That's that's why I thought that on on Monday I mean you know. After our first conversation and then Serena Williams really kind of pushed me not that I really had to be pushed over the edge. I really needed somebody to tell me like look. There's edge and I was ready to get over it. But so ninety. Four seventy eighth grade I know brought Bob brought up sixty eight. I just I don't I don't think two thousand fourteen in two thousand sixteen really come close. I think they were successful seasons but they were not some of the greatest seasons analysis history. And and that's okay you know. Obviously the twenty twenty hours. We're GONNA win the Super Bowl so they won't be eligible for this conversation so it is what it is but this has been our last week before the draft obviously next week will feature the NFL draft in fact a week from now we will know the newest Dallas cowboys soon. The cowboys don't trade out of the first round and so there will be a lot coming your way this this episode. Obviously this Friday episode also caps a month of nothing. I guess for four weeks in a row. We've had nothing but guests and just huge huge huge. Thank you to everybody who took time to join us. I mean we had we had players on. We had the Gifford and new cowboys tight end Blake. Bell we We had Brice. Butler joined the show. We had all sorts of people from cowboys. Media as mentioned Serena Williams and Dave Helmet and John Shoda and Bobby Belden just an incredible run. We really went off the beaten path and I really enjoyed you guys kind of trust me. I'd have some fun. They're bringing on solid from no laying up. I thought it was really interesting talking to Casey Phillips from the Tampa Bay buccaneers and learning about Joe McCoy as well so I hope you enjoyed I really. I had fun and we have done everything we can blog in the boys throughout these times to keep you entertained and to do so in a fun way into cowboys is as much as we can. And because we realized and we acknowledge the talking about the same cowboys things can get a little repetitive. Want to mix it up. You know we want to be a little bit different than we. We hope that we've been able to accomplish that for you. And so in the spirit of that. We actually are making a change on the block on the boys. Podcast feed. And it's something I'm really excited about and something. I think you're going to be very excited about now. A bit of a one. Oh one if you're new around here. So this is the blog of the boys podcast feed presented to you in partnership of course whether espy nations blogging. The Boys Dot Com the Best Dallas Cowboys blog in the world and so if you subscribed our feet and all you gotta do. If you knew it. Podcasts go to your your apple. Podcasts APP spotify APP tune in Radio Stitcher. Google play soundcloud whatever and search for blogging. The boys and hit subscribe. And when you do that you get access to all of our shows we do multiple shows and we give you at least two episodes every single day. The first thing that starts your day off is the Ocho. This show we give you the latest headlines. The latest news. Kind of your things. You need to get your day going when you get in that morning. Coffee Cup poured. Make sure you're listening. And you know what's going on in the world of America's team so then we've got other shows that a little bit more in depth a little bit more analysis a little bit more discussion. We've got of course to seven five. Oh and myself and two-time champion Tony Casillas. We have top and the draft. I've Seen Miller. The guy's obviously have been getting you ready for the twenty twenty. Nfl draft and they'll have a lot of fun with you next week as well. We've got Bruce in the boys and Michael Sizemore and Tom Rile. And we are adding something new. That's right Oh yeah. We're doing something really fun and again. I think this is going to be just really really great and I think really going to enjoy it. We are adding a new show starting next week to our podcast. Rotation a show called Girls Talkin boys it will feature Kelsey Charles if you are. A fan of cowboys podcast. And you've been listening for a long time if you've at least been listening to the Ocho. Kelsey was one of the guests that we had over the course of this last month She's hosted the break and talk and cowboys and lots of shows that the mothership has put out over the last few years can be Kelsey and Megan. Murray Kelsey Megan They are big deals in front runner the newsletter that we talked about with Kelsey and they've got some interesting takes interesting twists on on sports and on certainly on on the cowboys and they've got some some fun angles. They're gonNa hit this from and I think you're really really going to enjoy effect. Let's go ahead. Let's get Kelsey. Let's let's talk about what you can come to expect from. Girls Talk Radio on. Please join our by not just one but two very special guests from front runner from all over the world the internationally famous Kelsey Charles and Meghan Murray. What's up hello there too. I'm good for good quarantining firmly living our lives surviving hiding. Maybe not driving definitely survive. I was made for sweatsuits in laying around my couch so the act. Leisure trend is really hot now. How often do my mom? Do you like go with the full matching sweat suit. Look 'cause I have like three maybe three. That's probably ambitious. But I have at least two different sets but I never match because I feel like that's going too far. LemMe Gary Clear for a minute. I if I post something on instagram. And I'm wearing a matching sweat suit. That is not why looked like regular life. So that's an. That's an official like doing it for the GRANDPA's normally it's a rotation of two or three sweatshirts and t shirts and my shorts or my lagging. So I don't think I have enough black leggings. They all look the same and I can just do my laundry but I don't want yeah neither here any more but you just utter athletes came. That's good I have a lot of matching sets them together. So yeah me if you want so you guys are good friends. It would seem Kelsey. You're on the podcast recently. Megan you're not. What are your thoughts? I mean I'm a little jealous bill making up for though because yeah we have a thing that we're doing together so I think it more than makes for the fact that she didn't get a camera on the last hotel right so you mentioned that you are both ambitious in the podcasting world and seemed to have the chops for it. One of you already had a microphone. Just like laying around amidst yeah itching to be used and so we were talking and we were thinking that maybe you should have a podcast. I think you're right. I think I'm on board with that idea. Let's do it like we're signed up. We're GONNA make this happen because we just talk a lot of cowboys. In general in our daily lives if you are one of the few unfortunate people to follow us on twitter at UC. Were very passionate about this. Teaching all calves is a normal appearance on on our timelines. And so we figured why not bring our discussion to you? And so that's what we're GONNA do. Yeah this is interesting because we're blogging the boys and we don't really have girls so there's a little bit of irony there but yeah we we were talking. We were like you know what Megan and Calcio twitter followers to really great personalities. Let's put them in a room and let's have him talk so let's do that so let's do it on Monday. How about that? Let's start on Monday. I think we're good with that and ready. I'm let let me be very clear. I'm not doing anything so I think I have time. Were available okay. So how about just so the gist of this is you guys are going to have a brand new podcast on our feed twice a week but so beyond the last few minutes tell us a little bit about who you are. Kelsey. You got a chance a little while ago so I have to hog the spotlight what I would tell us alot. Give us a little bit of information about who you both are who they can learn who people can expect to hear from. You know. What's what's the deal. Okay so basically as you said You. Guys are blogging. The boys so we're helping bring you into the twenty first century it some females involved. We figured that we're GONNA go ahead and launch girl's talking boys next week twice a week. Mondays and Fridays. I think is what we're trying to shoot for right now The conversations of mega in Kelso all at any given intro to herself. But some of the things you can expect me just fun cowboys talk. I will bring on guests occasionally. We'll talk about games Basically all the news happenings around the cowboys like within a irreverent. Twist if you will and we watch a lot of Reality TV too much some more than others. we're on social media lot so you can expect some references in that regard so yeah Megan. Let's hear from you but I understand. You are one of maybe. There's like six of us that watched the challenge on MTV. So I'm excited for this But beyond that beyond that pristine quality. What else can you tell us about yourself? Well I'm from the DFW area. I grew up here a humongous homer so much like probably a lot of the listeners. We can relate on that regard for sure a a yellow from my couch. That's my credential really into skiing. Unlike her she's been like working for him except for you kidding me that I'm friends with us. So That's how Ya truly it. Okay well that's really cool. That's really exciting twice so we girls talk a bit of an obvious name POPs. I mean you know we we lit. We're we're basically roommates. If you live in the same apartment complex where quarantining together so this is actually a really fun opportunity for us just to kind of fill our time but also giving back to you all because we just have fun with it and we WANNA have over the all in the boys. Acura talk about seriously you go bowling for never. Well allow me to suggest survivor as as a reality. Show to like throw in the mix. That's my biggest guilty pleasure at one point. It surpassed the challenge. Big Brother still like colds at a spot in my heart but About Bananas in West being like on the same team this year. What'S THE NFL COM? For that. Because I feel like I feel like that's you know like people used to get really pissed off like you both our dads home. I know what it is. That's like when when Dez and Odell would chill out before the Games you know what I mean and people will get really upset and all it takes for that back in my day. You know you hated division rivals and that's like that's how I feel about. I'm okay with it. It's just it's lockward. Yeah no that's A. That's a good comparison. 'cause I like both of them a lot. So in West has a great ginger beard right now became guy I see. Yeah I like him. He's from my hometown so obviously I'm into him he does. I'm Fan. Interestingly interestingly last year at Training Camp I talked to save your woods and he's a big challenge guy. That's his thing he's a big and he's a bananas Guy He's also really big. Big Brother Guy. So there's there's some crossover here I just got into big brother really enjoyed it. I'm really sad that were probably not getting one for a while. Try Yeah well. That's okay because we have. We have girls talking boys to fill the void so okay so Mondays and Fridays guys. And if you're listening to this you don't have to change anything It'll be writing your podcast. Mondays and Fridays. Mornings and Yeah so subscribe to the blog. The podcasts we've gotta get you guys like not some merch. And you gotta be like walking billboards and like people to subscribe and and where to hit and some re tweets and stuff like you got to put you to. You guys are hustling. We're here for and outside of the merchant. We have some really fun gas lined up already. I'm not gonNA spill the beans completely on who they are but We've got some some heavy hitters coming for you. That's right I also should say that there's been some Tacos and instagram work here. So I mean that's on the blog in the boys Graham. Oh Yeah let me. I have to like look next year tomorrow. One of your matching sweat. I can do that. Yeah one of the eight thousand pairs of leggings or whatever. It was okay. Well Megan Murray Kelsey Charles. Your twitter handles. Are What so that people can go get prepare themselves because making yours is a little complicated. Yeah it's super complicated. It's actually meg. Murry was four hours. So DeMarco Murray add to ours face. Y Y for like what was the thought I couldn't get to and I didn't want numbers for like too many underscore things so knuckle moody. I've tried to play around with it. And that's what we ended up with interesting. That you chose are to be like the multiple. Not like you a or anything I mean. So I couldn't be a could have been more array ray but then I get that mispronunciation too much. I don't want to feed that stereotype. Not Ray yeah yeah so. Sometimes her tweets are already so maybe corn. So that quadruple our Reagan okay. Heated gets a little heated Kelsey. Your twitter is Kelsey underscore. Charles Pretty simple. Pretty simple. Ese. Why don't mess it up? Yeah that's true not like Travis. Kelsey like that's a weird like I feel like those people make life difficult for you. Megan's with extra as or in H get out seriously. You're not that original. No we're not here for that. We're excited it's GONNA be really fine We can't wait to get started and Yeah Catch Assan. Kept us on the podcastone next week. All right so starting Monday morning very excited. I've seen the guest list. The potential gates all been workshop. You know what I mean. And it's works. Good looks good you know. Jt is on their Chris. Harrison out pretty pretty bumping less during our address books are pretty heavy heavy heavy hitter full roll with it all right over the control of the girl's talking voice starting on Monday and then you get to episodes every week. Sweet see next week. I is well. I I really really really think that this is going to be a lot of fun and I think that you guys are really going to enjoy Kelsey and Megan. I think they're going to bring some some different voices different opinions and different personalities when it comes to talking about the cowboys and they know obviously a ton I mean. They're right there at the heart of all this in the DFW area. And I think that it's going to be I really. I really think this is going to be enjoyable. And I think their first episode is one. You're going to enjoy with with with somebody I think you'll like and there's some fun guests that they are planning on having around the show again. They're they're they're large they're shooting. They're shot and their You know I'll say this. I think you're going to be very very very impressed. So we just want to say that we appreciate you making blog in the boys part of your Dallas Cowboys Fan experience. We know that there are a lot of places that you can go to consume Dallas cowboys content. And we we appreciate you making beat to be part of the rotation so again subscribe to the blog on the boys. Podcast feed wherever you. Get Your podcast. We are everywhere. I mean I'm talking if you are using x platform to listen to podcasts blogging. The boys is there. If you need help you need me to literally walk you. Through A step-by-step. I will do that. You can find me on twitter or instagram. I am at RJ. Ocho on both. Of course shoot me an email if that's more your speed. Rj DOT AT ESPIONAGE DOT COM. And we'll get you we'll get you set up and ready to roll and ready to rock and I think you're really going to enjoy Monday's episode as mentioned so Yeah this is our Friday episode. Just wanted to kind of update you you know again. Kapov fun month. Is You know things. I don't want to return to normal. Obviously our world is in a very delicate place but we have a very specific thing that we're going to be talking about every day next week with the NFL draft coming up and so things are going to be You know a little bit different than they've been over the course of the last month and Girls and boys is now part of our rotation so Yeah you can look forward to a segment from my radio show. Saturday morning hangover. That will be in your podcast. Feed tomorrow on Saturday. You'll hear from myself and James Pleasure and then Monday morning we'll get the Ocho and then later on Monday Rosenblatt lunchtime. The first episode of girls and boys will premiere right here on the block on the boys podcast feed. Hey I hope you have the best weekend ever. I hope we've asked everybody. That has come on here for their recommendations on things to watch different documentaries. Different shows different movies on Netflix. Hulu I mean. I can't even remember all the things I still gotta watch a million of them. I mean every single one that everybody mentioned that I haven't seen. I've done very little to put a dent in that. I'm still trying to watch tiger king again. I mean you know there's a lot to do all right and there's only so many hours in the day so we'll see hopefully were able to get it all done but do me a favor. You have the absolute best Friday of all time you know why because you deserve the NFL draft next week with my friends is always go cowboys and peace out am.

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HR 2: Changing Positions

Mason & Ireland

50:39 min | 3 months ago

HR 2: Changing Positions

"I'd here we go John Brett Brown of the Philadelphia Seventy sixers has made a lineup decision today. He told reporters that the seventy sixers will start Ben Simmons at the four. What do you think of the move? Why. They gotta try something they've got to stars Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons and they can't win games on the road. So if they were to just go, and now they're all on the road. Yeah, if they were just keep doing what they've been doing, and they were to go out in the first or second round bread, Brown's probably getting fired, but here's my question for you. If this works, okay shouldn't have Brett Brown tried it before the pandemic while sure. Yeah, absolutely well I. Don't know what it says about the signing of Al Horford. It's not. It seems to me that that's not. The HORFORD move didn't work out. If Ben Simmons is playing the four, but I at part of it is made possible because shake. Milton has been was so good for them before they went to the to the recess I. Guess that's we're calling it the recess but shake Milton. It's been really good. plays defense and can sink a three, so I think that creates an opportunity for them to move. Ben Simmons down low and creates all kinds of space by the way for. For Joel Embiid, I think it's an interesting move. I think by the way I al. Horford make something like thirty million dollars a year. So he's going to be the highest paid bench player in the League, but sometimes that works when the warriors got. Really Good Yup. David Lee was their highest paid player in Steve Kerr benched in favor of draymond green who was a rookie? Yup, or was like a second year player and the warriors took off so maybe this works will the sixers picked him to go to? To the finals at the beginning of the season, so it would make me look like a genius but I don't think it's going to help. I don't think the sixers lose until they face Milwaukee I think they are they if depending on what side of the bracket there on I think the sixers are the great sleeper in the East I think they would lose to Boston. They would lose to Toronto or Milwaukee so I think they could get to the final four, but that's as far as they're going. They're losing any of those three. All right as well appearing on the Bill Simmons podcast Meena Times floated the idea of the NFL, playing its season in New Zealand. New Zealand has almost no corona virus basically declared the pandemic over although they do keep a close eye on who comes in and out of the country. She threw that idea out there while speaking with. Simmons about whether or not, there would be an NFL season and all this year. When bill asks her if she had heard, this was a possibility, Meena said quote. No, no, this is incredibly irresponsible speculation by me an quote. But I think. It makes a lot of sense if it would basically be a defacto bubble, are you think is this a good idea or a bad idea? I've heard worse ideas I was just reading New Zealand Has had zero cases in the last fourteen days. That's crazy I. mean they've they've got this thing licked? If I was New Zealand. I don't think I'd be thrilled about bringing a bunch of Americans into my country. Already Americans can't get into Canada, Americans can't get into Europe. Mean we've been. We've been banned because we're the. We're the country. That's a mass but it would make it would give them a fighting chance. I mean if they were to roll out robust testing and play their games in New Zealand and I don't know what what sorts of stadiums they've got. New Zealand, but I'm sure they exist. It's a small country, but. I've I've heard worse ideas me, too I I think she was throwing it out there almost as a joke, but he thinks he may have stumbled into something valuable. I hope they I hope they at least have a meeting about it. Yeah, all right, Devon. Booker made his first all star team. This season had a career has career scoring average of twenty three per game once dropped seventy on the road against Boston, still only twenty three, but his dad Melvin isn't happy with the situation in Phoenix. Here is DAD's reported frustration. Melvin Booker is tired of watching his son go for. Gopher. A meaningless twenty, six a night, just to get smoked habitually on Fox sports. Arizona the Phoenix Suns pay the staff chicken feed, and the owner is clueless and classless. If you're booker, do you want your dad talking about your team owner? Probably not. The thing it reminds me of is when we had Lonzo. Ivory every time Lavar went on TV or went on a radio show, including ours I felt bad for Lonzo Yup. Your Dad when he was live was pretty outspoken. I know there were times. She wish she wouldn't have been as outspoken as he was. You're a professional athlete. I liked Devon Booker a lot. My guess would be if we strapped him to a lie detector, you would wish his dad would kind of not say those things in public. Dad might be right. What's his deal I mean first of all, I think his dad may be right. I mean I think the the game is to try to get him out of Phoenix somehow. When is he able to leave Phoenix? I mean he could force a trade kind of you know. Players Force trades all the time. But. I don't Phoenix. That owner you hear you hear tons of criticism about that owner all the time. Yeah Money Williams. WHO's coaching? The sons has a great reputation and James Jones the GM is very well like to. If the owner would let those guys run it, they may be able to turn it around, but you know. How many times have we seen this an owner? That can't get out of his own way. Whether it be like the Knicks or the cavs it just it seems like if the owner is kind of sheep, and tries to metal that it eventually will poison the water with the team, so my my guess is that two years from now Devon Booker might be somewhere else, but I don't know. Yeah. He just signed a massive extension, twenty, seven, million, twenty, nine, million, thirty, one, million, thirty, three, million rain, thirty, six, million in twenty, twenty, three, twenty, twenty, four eighty contractors tradeable rob Pelinka got. No, that's that contract is fantastically tradeable I. Think he's a great player right? I mean if I was the knicks. If I would absolutely be on the phone, trying to find a way to to get Devon Booker I'm just saying why make the big long term five year commitment if you really want out of there. It's fair question I and it's too bad because Phoenix Central Fund place when they're good. I tend Tony was coaching, those seven seconds or less sons, and they were grave nashes there. That was a really fun team to watch. All Right Mace Yankees outfielder. Clint Frazier says he's planning on wearing a mask during games this season. He says he'll do it every time. He's up to bat. He says quote there to people in the box with me the catcher in the empire, so I think it's an easy thing to do and quote when these Games start up for good, do you? You think frazier will be alone wolf when he's wearing a mask during games are. Would this inspire other guys to do it? I actually looked at a highlight from a Tigers Intra squad game where there were a couple of players worrying masks so i. don't think he's going to be a lone wolf. I think it will be a small pack of wolves. But I think there are other players who will probably wear a mask. I think physical exertion while you're wearing a mask is actually a tough thing, I mean I see I saw a guy, jog and hard running hard through my neighborhood today when I was walking, and he had a mask on and was not taking it off. So, there are people that do it. but I think it's going to be few that actually wear a mask and Major League baseball. Yeah I think you're right. I I can't imagine although. If they can develop a mask that would inhibit your breathing i. don't think it's the craziest idea in the not at all, not at all. All, right Komo Anthony has a reputation of carrying a little extra weight, not the case anymore mellow used as quarantine tied to cut fifteen pounds in the new slim mellow will get a chance to show off his stuff when the blazers take the floor in Orlando John What we've done this. What is your weight now? Would you look good if you weighed fifteen pounds less? And how long would it take you to cut? Fifteen pounds would not take me long I'm actually my weight is down from what it normally is you I because I don't know if people are are putting food in front of me, think about it when when I'm living my normal life Yup. Like go to games and people put food right in front of me I. Stay in hotels where I have per diem and order food now I'm just home by myself, and unless Lisa makes it I, don't eat much and I'm pretty active, and it's been really hot outside got has been hot I weighed myself yesterday. As at one eighty, my by ideal weight is one eighty five. POUNDS LIGHT IF. I dropped to one sixty five I would look sickly. I'd be too thin I've gained a quarantine twelve now quarantine twelve you love. You. Aren't going to help you lose weight. Lot of Weeden donuts this past weekend. A lot of Weeden donuts the too by the way to things that go together peanut butter jelly. Ham and cheese. We'd and donuts these things all. Or not part of that. Yes, that is, that is ridiculous. We have time for one more. Is that it? Yeah! Go One more okay. Ten days ago. ESPN ran a two thousand Eighteen Eagles concert from the forum. It was so successful that they reared it two nights later and again last night. Yeah, all three in prime time I watched the whole first night. All three hours of it found myself watching again last night, even though I'd already seen it and I was really into it. Here's my question. Is this the future of concerts? At least for a while? We can't gather in person, so could a band. Let's say you to or the rolling stones do a show. Tailored for a TV audience now the eagles show is in two thousand eighteen, so it had fans, but if you tour the rolling stones, did a show with no fans, but they tailored for TV audience. Do you think people would settle for that? Since they can't go to live shows yeah I mean it's not the same. It's not the same thing I mean. There's something cool about being a concert in that anticipation and the lights going down in this speech. We don't ev everybody holding up their phone with the lighter APP and all that stuff. All that stuff is actually really really cool. It doesn't replace any of that. And for example, I, like the eagles well enough I. Don't love the Eagles by like them well enough, but I haven't watched the concert because it's not like going to a concert. Good job with it and I I was shocked. How well Glenn Fry passed away? But they got his son Deacon to play half of his songs, and they got Vince Gill. The Country Hall of Fame Guys Qatar Est.. And do the other Glenn, fries, songs, and those guys. Just they jump training with Joe. Walsh and B. Schmidt and Don Henley, and just knocked it out of the park, and so it was very seamless and very good, and I thought they did a great job and my fear is. That this is the new concert because I don't know what concerts you've got a lot of concerts. Know what those are going to look like need. Axiom need a vaccine Bam vaccine. That's where it's going to return to normal is vaccine. Otherwise it's it's all going to be messed up we have to change all of our rules and all of our. I mean you know I? It's just it's. It's really weird right now. In everything we do is being affected. In a gigantic way, so I think until there's a vaccine. Life is not going to return to normal. Unfortunately, unfortunately, all right coming up next for you. John something that you have Vilnai zed. Has Proven to be an enormous failure. Failure yes. plus plus. I forgot this the other day. We have A. we have a new Karen. She. She was at the dentist, not again. No things did not go her way. Karen demands everything to be exactly the way she wants, so. We've got Karen of the day coming up next for you to Mason Ireland Seventeen Espn. Concerts and if they will ever be the same. I just got this. Email from. Some some concert firm confirmed three sixty, and they are doing a drive in and rock out with the chain smokers on July the twenty fifth. It's the Hamptons. So, it's a New York. But. It is a very exclusive ticket. And it's chain smokers doing a concert at the drive, so maybe that really is the future, just a really hyper and by the way then simulcast. You've been simulcast. Yes, so that may be at least for now what we have to kind of live with. Ya because I can't imagine going to a concert right now can't imagine it. All right John. You, Hate Qube? I think I think they really blew the roll out. Yeah! So I don't know if you saw this or not, but there was a free trial for Qube I partook in it. Okay, but he did not once. My free trial ran out i. just let it expire. You know how many users dropped qube after their free trial like what percent I doubt I'd say at at least fifty percent had ninety two percents. Of users dropped after the end of their free trial. That is just a disaster disaster, the thing that. The problem with like there were many problems with the roll out, but the one thing that I thought was insane. Is that they developed be to watch on mobile to watch on your phone like TV shows only on your phone. The problem was like we all have giant big screen TV's in. Everybody has learned how to Screen Mirror. So if I wanted to watch a qube show with my family, if I wanted to put it up on the screen and we wanted to watch together. There was no screen. Mirroring allowed right, and so we couldn't watch it like if I wanted to watch it with Lisa, I couldn't do it unless we gathered around an iphone, you literally had to be gathered around a phone and I think some of their content was actually pretty creative, and I would have liked to have sampled more of it, but I watched a couple of things on my phone like I wanted to watch that clippers thing yeah. The end up watching it. I watched one episode, and then I I tried to screen mirror it and got frustrated and gave up. Yeah. I was not impressed with any of the qube programming. I flipped around. I was okay because. I've got. Like you, John, I've got a small Jacuzzi in my house. Yes, and in my small Jacuzzi occasionally watched something on my phone, so I was okay with watching something on my phone, I just didn't find anything that I really liked or or the caught with me, so yeah Qube didn't impress me from programming perspective, it didn't impress you from a technical perspective and ninety two percent of the people that had a free trial agreed with either one, or both of us and part of the promise to there's a there's a ton of competition for. Eyeballs right now whether it be Hulu, or Netflix or Amazon Primer qube had to. Ease of use is critical in these situations sharing to because if you think about it. If you're going to restrict your platform to only being mobile, you can only watch it on your phone. What have you on the phone? WanNa do? Your videos to viral right, there's no way to share it outside of the platform true. Picked up if something is really good plus Gimme a good ninety minute documentary on the stirling thing I mean if you put together this all star cast of filmmakers, and they had really really talented people working with them just Gimme a good ninety minutes, Donald Sterling and let me watch it. I don't need to watch it seven-minute Bites, or whatever the hell it is. My attention. Span is not that Short. Right and and again let me watch it with other people yes I think that was part of the big thing all right so John The new phenomenon, the idea of someone named Karen Karen. Lynn's. How would you define Karen? Like a middle aged white lady, who super titled In thinks that everything should go away and has meltdown. One doesn't. That's an excellent description of Karen? And by the way I've I've heard that a male Karen is actually a can. Yeah I found that out recently, so if there was a couple of cannon Karen couple would be just terrifying to be friends with so this particular. Karen was at the dentist office. Hit that French. You. Wear basket teeth cleaned, but it's about the CD from art of. October. Did now. I. You can't take high temperature. That's against the law. You're not an empty. Oh Dear God! Sue You for harassed. And this entire company smile whatever you call it dental I do have that right and I talked by train. fracking here, too, so does he want that to happen? I waited long enough not to be cleaned. Okay, let's get this done, okay. I can't see you. On. I want to hear. Give them a phone. And writing. In the retina right as you. A. Law! Office. Lunatic get it. Who who shot that? Is that like on a on an iphone with somebody else? who was in the Waiting Room I? Think so I think so. Yeah, yeah! That's that is a prime example of a Karen. And where is her self-awareness? Yeah I mean at some point he has done. How? Yup. They're out there, people they're out there. Do you know Karen John? Not that bad. I know one I know one. Do you Oh yeah? When you refuse to wear a mask. No, no, no, this is one who. has like forty seven different requests when they order a cobb salad in a restaurant. No matter what they're not going to be happy. They're always gonNA send it back because they think they screwed something up. I'm just a super super high maintenance demanding entitled Woman I. Hope She's not listening right now. I have a friend of mine. I I like a lot, but when we all go out in a group, he he will complain about. The specifics of a wine to the point where he would say like. Did you decant this? Did you can't the? How long has this been in the cantor? Or if it's a white wine, this is forty seven degrees. It needs to be forty. Are As such a kid I would go. What how can you tell I just know? I'm like really. So after a while, we just signed it finally like moved on. That's that's. Places. He's a good guy, but it's like. I mean. Are you kidding real every single time? You find something to do to to comment on if you'd come on. I coming up next for by the way in fifteen minutes at four forty five day down on will join us. He's the radio Voice. L. AFC? He called last night's game, which was a great come from behind tie for L. AFC they were down, three wanted the half and ended up tying that game three three. They were good to get away with that point, so we'll talk to dave dental and coming up about that coming up next. John? I think that Fred Wilpon should take less. Should take less money. Do you know what I'm talking about I? I know where you're going. I WanNa talk about it because I think it's interesting. Okay, that's coming up next for you Mason and Ireland seven ten ESPN I. I wanted to to plug something here. brand new culture pop podcast has just come out. It is with the unbelievably funny standup comic Judy Gold who? I will tell you that the podcast is is explicit. She she's got a freewheeling style of language. But it's really really funny and really smart about. Stuff like political correctness, and how tough it is to be a comic now and how everybody gets offended too easy, you can get the podcast at Steve. Mason DOT COM and when you're there, subscribe to it I'd appreciate that a lot. It's a really funny one really funny one. So the New York mets are for sale right now. And there is a guy named Steve Cohen. WHO has tried to buy the mets before? WHO's offering two billion dollars? They've narrowed the field to four potential buyers. One of the Mystique Cohen who is considered to be the favourite and checking in with a bid of one point seven billion is A. Jaylo Brian Urlacher Travis Kelsey DeMarco Murray Bradley Beal Mason Plumlee Joe Thomas. Among other so era, J., Lo and a bunch of professional or former professional athletes, their bid is one point seven billion dollars and I. Think Major, League Baseball should absolutely and they're allowed to do this. Guide Fred Wilpon to the one point seven billion dollar. Offer, but why I understand why you WANNA do it. It'd be more fun, but why would wilpon WANNA do it? Why would he take? What would that be almost? Three hundred million? More no more than that it'd be said two point two mayt right to be five hundred billion versus one point seventy two point two. Three hundred millions a lot of money man because you're promoting minority ownership. This is an opportunity for baseball to promote minority ownership. Baseball does have one minority owner. ARDY, Marino. But to have the opportunity to add a minority owner, two major league baseball and to professional sports is a great opportunity especially right now, so let me play devil's advocate I. Don't I I actually think your ideas a good one, but let me let me play devil's advocate, because you know that it's never as simple as just picked the fun option right? Okay, so number one. You say minority ownership. Okay, yeah. I'm assuming I'm assuming we just went through this all with. In the NFL with Jackson I'm assuming Steve. Cohen is Jewish so he doesn't qualify as A. Ownership group in you're not. He's not a person of color. Right, but it would be the same thing that you always talk to me about. Gays are a minority. Disenfranchised minority, but yeah, couldn't you say the same thing? in the case of climate guessing there are a whole bunch of I don't I. Don't know I'm guessing there are other Jewish baseball owners. trying to think up ahead. You know probably. But there I know there are. There are in the NFL but okay, so that's the first thing second thing is. Does it matter. That a rod was suspended for a year for using PD that he cheated the game. In according to your own rules, you will never let him in the hall of fame. We won't let him in the hall of fame, but you'd let him be an owner. Yes, absolutely. I would never let him in the hall of fame he did he did use. Steroids did use performance enhancing drugs fought. As a baseball fan? What I'm looking for first of all promoting minority, ownership is a is a huge issue and especially right now, but secondly. I love the the idea that a rod suggested this I think it might have been on I take that baseball needs to be more like the Kardashians to have a rod and J. Lo two of the mean J. Lo J. Lo is one of the biggest stars in the world. I think it's fair to say She just the Super Bowl halftime show in Rod. is a gigantic star to have celebrity ownership. I think would be really good for baseball. It would be really good. Fodder for the tabloids in New York, and ultimately all of us. Okay, can I again. I'm totally playing devil's advocate. Yes, but you know how when they let Frank mccord in the Hen House. Yes, they also got Jamie and remember at one point they were trying to make somebody at the organization was had project Jamie and they were trying to make a run for president and. It was the whole thing was so great. Yeah, totally forgot about that. The whole thing was just awkward A. Jaylo I believe? Has Three EX, husbands? Could one of them with a really good lawyer. Come in and claim. Oh, I need to be paid. Would it be? One percent of owner would be palimony. Alimony right. I would imagine those matters have been settled for some time, don't you think I I would think yes, but again I'm trying to think about poke holes in the argument. Well remember yeah, and remember how it was really entertaining for us, but remember the Jamie. Frank, mccord thing turned into. A trial actually went to the trial for day. 'cause molly night used to come on her show. Molly was covering the trial and she made it sound so interesting that I went to the trial one day to watch arguments, and it was fascinating, but the the long to luxury short. Jamie argued that she should get the dodgers in the divorce right? If JALEN a-rod split up, and let's face it. J. Lo has hey. I believe in love. Man Jay has a history of splitting up. was she married to Ben Affleck or just engaged I? Think just engaged. I think just engaged, so she's married to mark Anthony and she was married to that dancer. Chris is GONNA. Say that she was married to mark. Anthony and they were part owners of the Miami Dolphins together. We're. GonNa win. The are okay when they split up. Who got who got the dolphins ownership? They just divided the. Ownership share right, yeah! Because remember Jamie sued for the whole thing. Because let's face it. These are people when I say people. I mean famous people, a rod and J.. Lo who I guess they're going to be married. They're they're gonNA. They're gonNA. Have a wedding at some point right okay. J.. Lo has three ex husbands. She married a guy named Omani Noah he was a dancer Yup then she married Chris, Judd. And then she married Mark Anthony, and now she married, or engaged to era engaged Iran okay. So, these are smart people. These are people that before entering marriage. They've already figured out how much each one is going to take in the event that the marriage doesn't work out G overprint Upjohn know. I, told my dad in the beginning I said Dad. Do you think I should get a pre nup and my dad laughed at me and said Yeah you go ahead and try and do that. You don't would have gone for all I brought it up it did he do it did not go well. Describe it describe what happened I said. Hey, I want to have a difficult conversation. I think that and I didn't have a lot of money at this point. I don't even know what I was thinking. I said. What do you think about a pre-nup? She goes I think you would be betting on the marriage to fail before it even started. Why would you do that I? Agree with that sentiment. I disagree with that sentiment. I think it saves a lot of fighting if the marriage doesn't work I. I I will say this though. Looking back on my strategy, yeah! I didn't have enough money at the time to ask for a nup like. If you in one got married at this point, yeah, you have to get one because you just want a big lawsuit and also would you get one? You've been together a long time. You probably wouldn't even ask him. I wouldn't even ask for one. Why not? You just said you thought they were good idea 'cause I 'cause one and I W- always be together right so that was Lisa's point. She said I'm in it for life. What's your problem? As you. Do agree with the sentiment that. there. There's no point because you're betting on the marriage to fail. We're GONNA be together forever. So what's the point of doing a pre-nup? Okay, but Lindsay. Let me ask you this. You're dating a guy who brings. A certain amount of assets to the marriage he he has built up a large amount of wealth before he ever met you. Yes, a millionaire millionaire guy wants to marry Lindsey. Personal wealth that I would like tech to R- okay, so you would have no problem with the pre now. Probably Just thought into it. Yeah, you just said to me. You would agree with Lisa statement that it's a bet on the marriage to fail. I said that's I. Agree with that sentiment when you're bringing it up, but at the same time I. Guess I'm not really I could see where she would becoming from saying that I don't think I ever wanted to get married. So why don't you WanNa? Get married. I just think it's a bunch of Baloney. I know there's probably a lot of reasons why you think that, but what's the main reason? It's just seems kind of pointless to me. Well pointless well. Think about me if you if you have a partner and you want to be together. Then what what? What is I? Don't know I just think that a lot in many cases I. Guess it all depends on the situation, but in many cases like what's the point you know? I mean think about Larry King in the show. He's been married eight times for him. It is pointless. To get what? So he'll get married nine times I always, but Lindsay the reason I'm surprised to hear you say it is. I've always thought that particularly years ago. It's a little better now, but years ago, it was more for the women's protection because a lot of times. If you start a family and you have kids, the woman is the one who stops working. Why never want kids so there? You go there, you with beer easy. You you, you should know about easy. I will not. Nickel! You don't WanNa. Have Kids not easy like you're loose. You're easy to be with your easy to be in a relationship. I recently actually saw something. It was an article from like the New York poster Washington Post something that said that single women that are unmarried without kids are the happiest group of of individuals in the world. I've always said that I'm surprised this conversation with Lisa Light. that. More women don't change teams because men are such jerks to him. While I mean that's you don't? Yeah I think yeah. You're you're born a certain way? It's not like all the sudden. Hey, you know what I think I'll switch. Matter of switching teams right, but you know what I'm saying. Men Treat some women. I was always on the same team. Yeah, you are, but I mean some women are treated so badly by men. That I would just give up on them. You know in particular what? At least always points out is. Like a guy who's like in his mid forties thinks he belongs with a twenty five year old swimsuit model. You know. Guys had this. Standards they're ugly as hell. It's George Costanza I need a rosy hue. Girl with a rosy hue and Seinfeld's like you're bald. He Goes I. Need a cheek and Rosie always wondered how George Costanza ever got any women on that show because he's so ugly and he was so he was part of the pickiest one right, and he was the pickiest one. Yeah, river would. He asked Susan he had a plan. He goes all ask for pre-nup and she'll be so mad at me. That will break up. So, he goes to her and goes. Susan. I need a prenuptial agreement. And she starts laughing and goes all. Sign it. You don't have any money, anyone. But yeah, you're right. I think most men have completely unrealistic thundershowers like an equipment, and what? What they? What? They WANNA realis- race at rich guys, young girls. That's why we. Think I, but I'm saying guys who aren't rich. Think that you always joke about the guys the LAKER. Season ticket holders. Who are there with their Their niece correct. What's wrong with that? Because, they're they're wealthy, so they got a younger woman. That's the way a world works. What's wrong with that I? Think they should bring their nieces to the game if you know what I mean. Whatever happened to love whatever happened to just love? It can be bought and sold in La for member. We were going to name our first force. What you don't remember. No, okay. The original name and it was taken, so we couldn't use it. Was You and I were at Hollywood park. Yup and one of the other owners of our horse I own five percent. Yeah, and remember we owned it with a bunch of high rolling horse racing. People yeah, yeah, and one of the other people had this. Gorgeous woman with them. Like beautiful and I'm sitting there and somebody walks up to the girl and goes. What in the world are you doing with him? And she goes. He has pocket personality Oh. Yeah, and that's what we're. GonNa Neymar horse pocket pocket analogy, but it was taken so that's how we came up with phone abroad. Now you know where that we're pocket. Personality came from No. I was when I was doing the Snyder show I was interviewing a model. And she was dating a very prominent prominent figuring entertainment. Whose name? I don't necessarily want to say okay. It may rhyme with mill bar. So. I! I said so. How are you and bill? And she said well. I I'm just his arm candy. and. He's got pocket personality. That's where it came from. That's and then then we tried to name the horse that and apparently pocket personality was already used right, and that's how we wound up with phone abroad, but yeah it was. It was mill bar who that story was about? Well mill is doing very well by the way I think he is currently. In with Wilpon on ownership of the mets. Yes he is, you're right. He is part of the mets are going to be one of the sellers. Yeah, one of the sellers. Coming up next Foia Dave. Join US last night. The L. AFC came from behind for a three three tie against. Houston and we're looking ahead to Saturday. Which is L. Traffic? Oh. The Galaxy, versus? L. AFC DOWN IN ORLANDO in their bubble. Dave dental will join us next Mason and Ireland seven ten espn last night was so exciting because there was an actual live game on. We don't. We haven't had those long time. L.. AFC rallied for a three three tie against the Houston. Dynamo down in Orlando last night. L. AFC will play Gallic, the galaxy on Saturday in Orlando and by the way in only five days the dodgers played their first exhibition game against Arizona. They play. Sunday. They play Arizona. Monday. They played the angels. Tuesday and then opening day just nine days from now dodgers versus giants at Dodger Stadium in the NBA almost back Lakers vs clippers sixteen days away. We have been counting down for an awful long time, and I'm glad we're finally going to get stuff. We're finally going to get sports. We're GONNA. Get our games back. Well and last night's game was really good. It was thought the I thought the AFC was dead when they fell behind three to one, and I hung in there and watch that comeback and Dave Denholm called it. On our honor stream yesterday and David is joining us now. Dave. How surprising was it to you that without Carlos Villa the of came back in tied that game. Yeah after the hat halftime when Houston got that third goal right before half I was frustrated. I didn't know that there would be a way back in just with that weather and the he can start wearing people. Then you're GonNa Start bringing in substitutes, which is good to get fresh legs, but they haven't played it all for four months, so I just didn't know if it was gonNA quite click for them in the second half offensively, but man. It did I mean they dominated that second half. and. That Diego Rossy goal was something. The. So good I talked about a Steve before the tournament that you're not going to replace Carlos Bela. It's like trying to replace Mike Trout. You know he's not gonNA. Do it individually, but Diego. Rossi is as close as we have to that and he has to play extremely well. If this team is going to have success now, they didn't get the win, but that felt like a three three win I heard in with. That is a great way of putting that. Yeah, that is, that is absolutely. Hey, dave, something happened. I'm kind of a new fan to to the sport that you've been following closely. Forever I didn't know that you could go back and video review an offside call that disallowed a goal, and that's how Houston got their third goal. They had a guy who was very close whether or not he was offside. The the officials said you're offside. They disallowed the goal they keep playing. And then a few minutes later I see the ref running to a TV monitor. Has that always been the rule? Is that a new rule? And how does it work? Do they just wait until the next stoppage in play because I've never seen a sport stop and go back and re allow a goal that they had disallowed. If you know what I mean, yeah, what really happened? Was They Love the celebration? It looks like they kind of went on with the game. But it was actually like they were, they were in his the referees ear the whole time. That's what they do, so what happens is the V.. A. R. OFFICIAL IS GONNA take as long as he needs. I mean they try to keep it within thirty seconds if they can help. But. They're talking to that official all the time. Even though they're letting the players go back. Did He'll case? They never did restart the pack into place got it correct had gone back into Dave had they gone back into play with that? Have have been the end of it. But on a goal like that John, they just won't let it go back into play if that makes sense until he gets word in his ear from the video replay referee who was off site then they say, go ahead and start art or go ahead and let the goal kick happen because it was technically offside. Yeah, they won't continue now. I mean you make a good point about something like that I've always thought about it. You know like calls, and then what happens if the game continue the flow right, and you're wondering about a certain call. Was that a penalty or not, and then the other team who may be committed the penalty? We don't know yet. They're still checking out for the ball still in play and they go down and score. You know like what happened. Is it changes the way the game gets paid while the reviews on? Yeah Dave the only other thing. Yeah, the only other thing I would compare to is in the NBA where I do a lot of games. They'll go back and look and see if a guy's foot was behind the line on a three pointer and award him an extra point at the next time out, which is a little weird, but do you. Are you a fan of Vr? It's good or bad for the game. I think it is disgusting and I'm not saying that. I don't understand gentlemen. Sport I don't like it in any sport I. Really don't. It's taken over too much quite frankly and I think that wasn't the point of all right We're supposed to be talking about referees and things what I don't understand guys in all sports, but mine especially. In soccer, we know goals are hard to come by. That's the point. This sport is built on passion, and when you score and the Bank of California Stadium, erupts with twenty, two thousand plus all at the same time, and and no no wait. We're checking the replay real. Quick it just it destroys the passion of the sport and what I don't understand about all sports is why are the only people that have to be perfect referees in sport? Fair question. We don't demand perfection players. Clearly, we don't demand out of head coaches or GM's. Obviously. Why do we demand perfection out of referees as and what really bothers me about it is they're not even making money on this like old tradition. It's follow the money right so well. Okay? If they were making money Vr, somehow then you'd be like Oh. This sucks, but I get it like they're not hurting the sport. Interest okay, so Dave let me let me ask you because I have a mixed relationship with. Instant replay in all sports also, but the argument that I often get is if you've got the chance to get it right, why not get it right? It's a good argument, I, you're absolutely right, and that's my only argument for soccer, especially as they have goal and technology as well which is different than video replay. I'm offering goal line technology. You put a little chip in the ball. You know, and if it goes over the line, let's make sure we don't miss a goal. Right because somebody just couldn't see it crying or something, but if you've got that technology immediately, the light goes off boom. That's fine. So I understand what he's coming from. Realistically Look We used to complain about referees for about five minutes right after a game, and then it's over. Nobody remembers that really I mean. There's a couple of polls in the history in sports that we remember because they were so egregious, but really let's not worry about that. You're taking so much away from the sport. It's interesting I. Think you've Kinda won me over. Hey, Dave, let me ask you this. I thought when Carlos, Villa. Announced, he wasn't going down there. The elected to opt out of the tournament that the L. A. F. C. would be good, but probably not a threat to win it. Are they a threat to win it in your opinion? They still are. It's going to take mammoth effort, but gift from guys like yeah, Go Rossi, as we mentioned in Brian Rodriguez dominate the Amande to fill that up, but they've had some success. When Carlos Vale has been out just in a game or maybe picked up an injury or something along the way he hasn't missed much time. Frankly, but they have had some success. It is going to be much more difficult. He is the best player. He's the best player I've ever seen in MLS in in the season he had just just dominant, and does every game night in and night out. You're one hundred percent effort every time out. That's going to be missed, but yeah, they're still a threat now. Have they come back to the pack a little bit? Yes, no doubt. There's probably five or six teams legitimately out of the twenty four. That's still remain now. That are playing in this tournament. That's a world, Cup style, tournament, five or six of them can legitimately win this thing A.. He's one of. Hey Dave by the way dave mess with US moist. L. AFC mason in Ireland seventeen ESPN. So, how do you think the bubbles working? Obviously, it's been a little bit rocky because you've had. Two franchises were forced to drop out. What do you? What do you know about what's going on inside? What's working? What's not? What's working is they will not allow people to play or teams to play if they get any kind of positive test. That's good. Obviously, that's the case. That's the way it should be. You don't want to threaten other people's health as much as possible, so that's good and the protocols are there I believe. I believe in the lesson at the NBA or As good as they possibly can, it's never going to be perfect, but. That's the good thing. They caught these cove in nineteen tests in bunches, unfortunately for those teams decided. You know what would just can't take that chance, not only with that team, but with the rest of the teams, so we're GonNa have any and by the way FC Dallas was one of them they're. They're actually still there at the swan in Dolphin. They didn't. They didn't send them home. Obviously, with all these cases of covid nineteen. They actually quarantine them until they're back to getting tested, so they didn't send them home. which I think is great. And there and keep them safe from everybody and just kind of let the you know. Hopefully you know they're getting all the medical attention. Anybody might need, but you know. These are young athletes. Many of them were a synthetic, not all necessarily, but hopefully it's not gonna be. A danger to their health as young athletes, but you. He was good to just not send them back into the world. If you will and that was a good sign, so I like what they're doing with, the it's it's kind of like to. The doing the best they can, but boy. As soon as it becomes unsafe for this whole tournament, they will call it off on that and I think that would be the right move. Certainly and I think the NBA absolutely do that if it's necessary, I just hope it isn't I. Miss Sports I'M NOT GONNA. Lie and I'm glad they're playing. Yeah, right Wednesday that was well said. Said, and and hopefully they need a little luck. They needed the players to follow the rules, and they need to get lucky, but I think those I thought that game man. Maybe it was because we haven't had a lot of sports but I thought that game last night was riveting. Yeah, it was great. It was great I thought it was really really good so so daily. And you got a credit Houston to. They claim pretty well I must say for a team. That was you know very much. The underdog coming into that group played well yeah, and by the way the scored the first goal for the Galaxy, he scored a a bunch of goals elsewhere, but was not for the guys see, but was that his first goal for the L. AFC. Bradley Wright Phillips, Thirty, five years old. He's been dominant for a New York. Red Bulls for eight years, but they are. They kind of supported ways. Bob Bradley bought them in just to do what he did. Essentially plays fifty sixty minutes. If they need also to come off the bench, maybe in later games during the season I think they think maybe he'll score four or five six seven goals. That would be great. Give us a little preview for Saturday L. AFC versus the galaxy is still called L. traffic when nobody's actually in the traffic. That's a great one I don't know that's a good question. No traffic. Oh, This is an intriguing game, because certainly the as everybody knows. The galaxy ended up losing the game after L. AFC. Last night they were beaten by Portland and a pretty tough game talk group, and a lot of times was World Cup type tournaments. When you have three matches. The second one is huge now again. You want to win everyone, but you can turn your tournament around, or you can send a domino drain if you're not careful that second Max. There's a lot of line in this one because La. See only got a point in their first game. I do think l.. AFC is the clear better team on paper and on the. The to La Galaxies is still a mess. They have talent all over the pitch. There's no doubt La Galaxy is brought into really good offensive players, Rio course being the key, but Christian pavone so good i. mean they can cause problems every time you guys play. You're not looking at Neil. Neil guys every time the robbery happens. It's three to four, two, four, three, five three in the playoffs last year. I'm not a betting man. Yes, I am I'm sorry. I just lied, but take the over right I mean. Yeah, team's gotTa go at it. Authentically both need the win, so it's going to be a really really wild game. Cool and I'm assuming we've got that game on on Saturday here on seven ten. That's correct, seven ten ESPN, and will be there half hour before kickoff with the pre-game. Cool Hey, thanks Dave appreciate a man. Always good to talk to you guys take care. Then Dave dental voice of L. A. F. C. that was a fun game. Boy I'll tell you I just and I've been dipping into these These dodgers intra squad games. There's another one tonight like I think we're both desperate. Hungry for Sports I'm hungry for games. Let's. Let's put on a show. All right coming up next for you, the dodgers. Are going to sell seats outfitted. With cutouts of Fan, faces. Plus. Pete Thamel says has some ominous words about college football That's coming up next for you. Mason in Ireland seven ten ESPN.

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Regression to the Mean! (05/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Regression to the Mean! (05/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from CBS. Sports got email us at fantasy football at CBS. I DOT COM. It's time to dominate. Your Fantasy League of Cheney Woods fought to clutch down last year. Lamar Jackson threw thirty. Six touchdown passes. Let's talk about regression to the mean. And what does it mean? Welcome to fantasy football today here. It's Thursday early evening record. You'RE GONNA listen to this on. Friday may twenty second going to get you ready for your big Memorial Day weekend. Hope everybody has a lot of fun. We won't have a show for you on Monday but we will have one for you on Tuesday next week. What three episodes next week? I'm Adam as her heath cummings regression to the mean kind of your counting your thing like I feel like this is one of the shows that I've been more excited about over the past couple of months like weird because when we start dynasty shows I have to anticipate those for a lot longer because they get rest rescheduled three or four times. We actually do them. The regression one happened on the day that we were planning it. So it's exciting. I couldn't think of anything better. I guess so yeah. Let's just go with Rashford Jamie's here Jamie Anybody James. Taking next week off. We're GONNA miss you. I won't miss you collectively I personally without miss you the almost everybody else. But I won't now beg wretches. Here ben is reeling from a nine nothing defeat in tecmo superbowl to me just making up points. I scored. It was nine. Nothing I scored I. I mean I was obviously logged off by that point. We couldn't connect and Adam tweets out. I just crushed yards progress. It at tecmo superbowl. You've got safety on the opening kickoff. Because I couldn't run out of the ends up. Yeah there's no touchback snag game That's correct but I knocked the ball out of your hands. Anyway was a fumble. You're covered then. I tackle that guy so it would have been safety all right so regression to the mean heath. What does what does that mean. Exactly You're going to be more normal next year. That's the easiest way to say it because people here regression like even when I did the pieces this year I've actually made a different section for positive regression and I've not called it positive. Aggression I don't that's not what it is it's still just regression but every year if I don't I have to hear from people on twitter about how he's going to be better that's not regression and so it's just like being more normal as the is the easiest way to say it and think about it. People love to say that the correct term is progression progression. Yes you can use a dictionary and find out. It's not the cruncher right progression. Just means getting better like I think the the place where it gets into more of a gray area with regression and progression is like Kaiser Murray or a rookie. Who has what looks kind of like an unlucky year? But it may also be skill issue because rookie quarterbacks struggle with touchdown rate and so is he going to regress or progress. Okay that's the one instance where I can understand debate. Yeah progression is the process of developing or moving gradually towards more advanced state. Regression is a return to a former state so all right anyway On the other. There's another definition for aggression right. I'm sure yes. Okay well we get the point young. Was It all me? So Lamar Jackson touchdown rate. We'll look at that. He led the NFL. With thirty. Six touchdown passes. I want you to know this. That though. In a four point passing touchdown league. If you took away nine touchdown passes. He's still would have been the number one quarterback by nearly forty points ahead of Dash oiler alert. You should take away. More than nine touchdown passes and there were multiple. More Jackson was one of a few players who had multiple things about his season. That you should regress. It's not just the touchdown right. Here's one that I like Robin Wood's over the last five seasons there have been thirteen wide receivers. Well technically eleven. But Jarvis Landry shows up on the list three times so thirteen times that a wide receiver had one hundred and thirty or more targets and fewer than five touchdown catches Jarvis. Landry three times Robert Woods had the fewest with two touchdown catches. So he had the worst touchdown luck. Basically and then jared cook. I know we're going to talk about him. He had forty three catches those that's the fewest for top twelve tight end and PTR. Since Julius Thomas also had forty three and finished has tight end Ted. Npr in two thousand fourteen. So six seasons jared cook the fewest catches of any top swab tied in basically since six seasons ago. I do have another jared. Cook staff that I'm going to give out. Why make the case why he will finish top twelve and PR? But I'll do that a little bit later and let's Jamie let me ask you. Is there one player. I mentioned Jackson Robert Woods. Jared Cook. We're GONNA talk about Tanna Hill Josh Allen where he moster Aaron Jones Mark Ingram. Aj Brown Kenny. Gowda Stefan Digs. Is there one player that you think has a regression to the mean coming in a big big way? That's going to impact fantasy Aaron Jones for sure I mean just the nature of what he did last year based on the touchdowns but the fact that they added another player to his position is a is a significant. You know damaging thing to what he did last year as well. Ben How about you? Who's the One guy? If you right in the story you were picking the cover photo. I think it's all of them so I'm going to answer completely different question than you're asking and say. I want to defend Lamar Jackson's past TV right when we get there. He's one that I don't think will regress as much. Okay next time you ask me a question I will answer a completely different question of music is going to be the cover photo cover man. Well that'll be fun. Because I'm writing four pieces and the cover photos going to likely be Lamar Jackson. Aaron Jones and AJ Brown and jared cook like the four guys that we just talked about are the guy and if you are someone who is annoyed over the AJ Brown fight. I'm sorry you can't have a discussion about regression without talking about. Aj Brown so we have to do this. This won't end anything but we'll try not do it as much after this. Maybe today. I'll just take what Ben said on yesterday. Show and see how much of it I remember and argue with heath because he had is the pre argument with heath of. How does it on the show? I'll see I'll say much. Remember all right. Let's do some quick news notes Jarvis. Landry said he's ahead of schedule and his recovery from hip surgery. He's hoping to return to the field in August. Jamie your thought there. I'm not going to drop a lot of Jarvis Landry. I just think the injury concern because this is something that could recur The fact that they added Austin Hooper. I think Beckham will be better. I know they're gonNA run the Baltin so he's not going to be somebody. I have lot of stocking. I'm not drafting either. But CAN I. Can I just point out that? He's going wide receiver thirty two in six seasons. He's never finished lower than wide receiver. Thirty which was his rookie year. The last five seasons. He's finished at least wide receiver. Twenty five to six years I mean and I dropped him either. He's boring but like they've never been injury though. Sure but should that matter that much? If Jarvis Landry thirtieth wide receiver off the board he's one of those guys you know this. This is something. We've talked about a lot throughout the years. Do you want to draft your team to win a championship To make the playoffs. They'll have to get to the playoffs. You're not gonNA help you. WanNa named Gordon says. Denver system is more suited for him then. The chargers was anybody. Uh that's important while they don't have Austin necklaces. So that's part of the system. It's it's good 'cause necklace better than L. Gordon. But they also don't have Philip rivers. Who throws his running backs and before. Melvin Gordon To all these other running backs like Danny woodhead and all these guys over the years. Mike Tober So he might like Denver. System more the receptions mattered a lot and the NFL reinstated Dallas Defensive. Then I mean what what what what Gordon good to say. When he's doing a bronco you know. I really liked that chargers system. A hell of a lot better. But he didn't just say that though he he say oh but but he he actually went and said that he felt like he was he had to adjust to the chargers system. was a little strange. You don't see quotes like that too often. I thought well if you go back to you. Remember his disastrous rookie campaign and then they added a full back. And that's what he was used to in Wisconsin and he was dramatically better. So he's he's a very candid person about what he wants and what he likes and what works for see. We got some more news items here or the Eagles according to ESPN. They're looking at devante Freeman Carlos Hyde in the Shawn McCoy according to ESPN. He Eagle. Yeah 'cause the SEAHAWKS This is yeah hot off the presses like twenty minutes ago Tim McManus of Espn Eagles looking at Freeman. Hide and McCoy will react when they signed someone. Apparently the seahawks made an offer to Freeman of one year. Four million dollars so there. I would not Jefferson. Benny and you like and Ben but I think at this point. It's pretty clear that they're not comfortable with where he's at physically. Sean mcvay said we feel. We've got three really good backs. I'm not sure you have one. Hope you do And Josh Gordon According to Profootballtalk Josh Gordon going to apply for reinstatement soon. And that's pretty much it all right. Let's let me tell you what's coming up. Next week. We have three episodes this week. Including a dynasty mailbag on Friday. So get your questions in via apple. Podcasts review I have a ton of emails about Dynasty Leagues. So we'll be doing a mailbag show but lease a nice review on Apple. Podcast will read your question. On our Friday dynasty show Tuesday night were twitching. We're on twitch twitch dot com slash F F today were streaming and plan some poker the F. F. T. crew will be competing in a single table poker tournament hosted by our friends at faded spade. That's GONNA BE AWESOME FADED SPADE CARD CLUBS. A new social poker platform offering free. Play and custom games. You can watch twitch dot com slash F F today and again. It's faded spade card club. Say Daily. Fix All your you know. We had a podcasting call within the company on Tuesday. And somebody asked me as are you good at poker and I said I am very lucky at poker. I always get good cards so jamie. Don't underestimate my blind luck. As someone who has played not recently at all but a lot of both in person and online poker online poker is a completely different animal. This is going to be super interesting so I don't. I've never seen it in person but I know Dave usually wears big big sunglasses like old person and like he wears the hat and jacket. I think if I remember correctly this story so like he tries to make like you can't read him at all so you might be right about that. He might be better in person than he is an online poker. But I I. I know he plays a lot so Nevada money on one of them. One of you guys I put it on. I think that's I think that's the smart money I think advantages smaller in this format. Then it would be around a table around a table. I'm not sure that would make that of the first fifteen minutes buying and Lee. I'm not that bad at poker and I think I want the whole thing with the ocean. Anyway which is complete luck game but extremely fun What was it now? Okay so let's get into it here. Regression to the mean starting with the quarterbacks. I don't think we may be able to mention like eighteen players. We won't be able to expand on them. But let's start with Lamar Jackson Heath and what you expect from Lamar Jackson. Yeah I would say for this. Section like Lamar Jackson Ryan Tannehill. And maybe Jared Goff for the only three we have to spend very much time at Olen. Jackson is strange. Obviously it and nine percent touchdown rate last year I think Patrick. Mahomes like eight point five the year before. And and we just screamed. There's no way he matches that in the last twenty years. I believe three. Quarterbacks have had a nine percent touchdown rate in a season. No one's ever come close to following that up with anything above eight so at the very very least you're taking two percent off the top. I think like if you want to be very kind you would take three percent off the top because Aaron Rodgers has the all time or at least modern era highest touchdown rate in the NFL at six percent even and that's an enormous difference like I projected him at five point five going into this year. Which is still a one point higher than League average twenty five and a half touchdowns through the air you ten and a half despite the fact. I haven't throwing sixty more passes than he did. Last year He's going to lose ten touchdowns and then it's not just like been might have a defense for that. I don't think he has a defense. That he's going to have a touchdown rate higher than six percent but we'll hear that is in the second. The other thing is that I know. Ben agreed with he ever had six point nine yards per carry last year. He was at four point. Seven as a rookie. Michael Vick did average seven yards per carry as a rusher over his career. So there's a precedent there the second best of all time has Russell Wilson at five and a half. I don't feel comfortable projecting Lamar Jackson to be better than the second best of all time. And if you drop him to five and a half their four hundred rushing yards are going literally take three to four hundred yards off the top. So I I think there's a key outscored and six point passing Touchdown Leagues Number. Two by ninety three points last year. I think there's a real chance. He plays sixteen games in scores. One hundred fewer fantasy points he played. I just want to mention. He did play fifteen games last year. Or so yep that's Yeah Okay and I didn't even mention yards. He's probably not going to average nearly at Urethra attempt either but that's out that I didn't even factor that okay. Gretch do agree with. He's on the yards per carry part. I think the reasons for aggression like it's not just the math right like we talk about the actual football side of it. Sometimes I know I have talked about like what a player's skill level is. And all that we'RE NOT GONNA REGRESS. Lamar Jackson back to some league average right and that's what he was doing but we are going to recognize it. Teams are going to do things differently. They're not gonNA Scheme against Lamar Jackson same way they did last year because he was the MVP last year they have to. They have to do something different So that's going to probably limit his ability to run for such a high yards per carry as far as touchdowns. I I've been thinking about this and it's related to the point of just made. Their offense was so run heavy and so effective running the ball. That and this is actually probably something you could test haven't tested it so I'm kind of just throwing this out there. But I would guess that. Lamar Jackson had a lot. Higher percentage of of his pass attempts in scoring range. Meaning other quarterbacks even on good offenses like Patrick Mahomes. When he threw fifty touchdowns a twenty eighteen he was throwing in his own Owns on his own side of the field. Every drive typically not ever drive but the vast majority star teams own side of the field and he was throwing to get into plus territory The Ravens being a good offense they ran more plays and plus territory than most offenses. I'm that's not. I don't think we can all agree on that and I would argue that. Because they're so good running the ball in the past tense were lower because we're talking about a TD percent of total pass attempts if he was throwing more passes plus territory. There's there's reason to believe that Lamar Jackson's touchdown rate should be higher than a typical quarterbacks. Because he's throwing a lot higher of his lot. Higher percentage passes in scoring raged. Does it matter to you? That seven of his thirty six touchdown passes were more than thirty yards. Yes or of them. Were more than forty seven yards and I went back. I kind of looked at other quarterbacks who had you know similar touchdown pass numbers. It's not unusual to have that many big pass plays for them. What is unusual is that he was Lamar. Jackson was twenty-first scenario words. So I'm thinking there was a lot of Yak and I've seen it. I mean guys running wide open because nobody knew how to defend the Ravens. So that's my guess. Though a lot of like yards after catch leading to long touchdown passes for the Mar Jackson. He's definitely going to regress. You don't get nine percent Mike. You said it's one of three seasons. Let he'd found right. Is that what you said at twenty in twenty years? Yeah in twenty years so he's definitely going to regress and that's the exact spot. Yes I was thinking of that. As making the case to Markey's Brown getting DEEPA you know Mark Andrews running free like you said like we saw a lot of that. Those those plays are going to be harder to hit on at such a high rate next year. I mean some of that is also related to the run game they have the presser safeties up and it creates for guys to run over the top. But it's like you just can't do what he did last year multiple years in a row. But I do think there is a possibility that his regression isn't as big as maybe maybe as he said he project which is just like one percentage point above league average maybe he can stay around seven percent which would still be incredibly high but but you like if he did that for his career he would have the highest touchdown rate. Nfl History Right Jamie. We we see quarterbacks like Peyton manning have this best season ever for him. Fifty five touchdown passes then the year after he wasn't the number. One quarterback is like qb four or something like that. It was really good but not amazing. Passion mahomes dealt with injury also regressed. But we've never seen a quarterback have a year like this and do it with the rushing. Totals that Lamar Jackson did so. I know everybody's got one or two in the rankings. What do you think about this year? What do you think the most likely outcome is? I think his numbers come down. But it's just a matter of you know where does he make up it to still keep them afloat? You know so. I think he improves. As a passer slightly. I think is not as touchdown but yards because I think markey's Brown wasn't healthy. They add to young receiver. So I think will help they add you know probably a better complimentary running back in the backfield to help. Mark Ingram and sort of stylistically work with him I hope. At least with Jacob Dobbins You know the the most important person for Baltimore Right now. Is Greg Roaming? Because as long as Lamar Jackson healthy it's what's the next sprinkle because that's what has to change. It has to be. What do they do to throw off defense now because a few times I spoke to? Tj Watt spoke to more no. I spoke the guys at the pro bowl about. How do you stop him? What's the way to slow him down? You know I our own colleague. Brian McFadden asked him. You know. He's a two-time champion would steelers you know. What would you do to defend him? You know and so. That's what teams are doing right now. They're schedule gets tougher because their first place schedule. Now You know. The risk of injury is higher You know for player that that does what he does so there are a lot of things that are are working against them. But if Greg Roman does his job and and figures out how to okay. Maybe the design runs aren't the same. Maybe it's a different screen. Game that they incorporate. Maybe it's different. You know personnel packages that they use and and they're better that way He's GONNA come down. It's just the nature of what he did. He had a record breaking season. It was phenomenal. He won the MVP for reason. But those those type performances we were really rob of what? Michael Vick would have done. Coming off of his thousand yard season by his own doing obviously by what happened to him but two thousand six two thousand and two thousand could he have become the first three thousand one thousand guy. Maybe we don't know and we'll see. Now how Lamar Jackson back that up? So so like I said. We all expected numbers. Come down but everybody's going to have the Mark Jackson their qb one or qb two in the rankings. So what does this actually mean for people on Draft? It's going to have a first round. Adp like certainly. We're going to get July August and Lamar Jackson's. Adp is going to be in the first round just like Patrick. Mahomes was lashed. Mahomes was actually outside. I was shocked was thirty thirteen. Okay Yeah it's even though it's miniscule obviously and when should we take Lamar Jackson late third earliest gonNA happen though? But you're right means this. You know one of those things. Were people see even the projections? Your projects worked lines projections. Whatever site you plan on you know. They're going to be still better than most most quarterbacks and then you're gonNA debate okay. I I'm taking quarterback here. Is it going to be mahomes? And which moms you getting. Does I think you know he said Mahomes what he did in two thousand eighteen and then what the regression was going to be We don't really know where he would have been with those three games. You know what I mean with the ankle injury you know. He was playing hurt so we don't know how if he was one hundred percent healthy and everything worked out for him. Where would the numbers have been? I don't think that would have been where they were in twenty. But how far off would they have come? We don't talk about this enough but he in September last year. He was pacing for a better season. Remember that I was. He was incredible. It's ridiculous you know. Got Her to write. Those are all factors into and that's a positive for Lamar Markey's Brown is as good as he was advertised from college he didn't have that weapon at one hundred percent last year. You know so imagine Andrews a better Marquees Brown. Maybe one of the rookies does something. So just just you know heads up got can't spend ten minutes on everyone but I did think it was worth Lamar Jackson. Let's see Ryan Tannehill. He thoughts on him. This'll be quick. I can't imagine anyone disagreeing. That is thing was Ryan. Tannehill is we've got like six years of NFL action to show. What type of player he was. He had seven point seven percent touchdown rate. Which was you know about three points? Better than league average three and a half points better this career average but the the yards per attempt nine point six yards per tempt is Just outlandish no one's ever going to repeat that few people have done it in the past Ryan Fitzpatrick in two thousand eighteen and folded up with a seven point zero yards per attempt. Nick foles back in his Breakout year with the Eagles did it and then vaulted up like a seven point two. I just think like an also there have been quarterbacks. Done it as well. But he's not Peyton manning so even if you project him for eight yards per attempt which is above average and five percent touchdown rate which is ten percent better than league average at five hundred attempts. Which would be a huge increase from last year? He's still not a top twelve quarterback so don't draft Ryan. Does anybody WANNA draft Ryan Tannehill. I did a story about seven quarterbacks that I would take they're gonNA have an eighty one hundred overall and looking at fantasy football calculator. I did a based off rankings. You know so guys that are after consensus top twelve. And he was one like I. I put tyrod Taylor on in the story over renting. I'm ever have a rank that way because I don't think in the play sixty games but if you're looking for. Who's going to have a better chance to be league winner? It's tyrod over ten. Oh Okay Jared. Goff is the last one we want to talk about. What are we looking to come back here? Touchdown rate at three point five percent touchdown rate and like his career numbers. Four point seven which seems like a very small difference. It would've been seven and a half touchdowns last year. If he'd had his career touchdown rate last year he would have been. Qb Seven. So I I don't know if they will throw as much. I think they would prefer to have a better like not throw quite as much and run the ball a little bit better in the defense. Play a little better but I I think he is He's a little bit undervalued because of Oblige Downright Goth is on a team. That will run a of plays so whether or not they want to run the ball more they still have plenty of room to pass fourth. They've been fourth. Eighth and plays scrimmage play his last two seasons Jamie. My question about the office. I was drafting a lot last year because in two thousand eighteen he was six and with Cooper Cop. He was basically like second best behind the homes but he doesn't run the ball. I bet one hundred rushing yards last year. I think you'd forty sorry. Maybe the year before that he doesn't run the ball a lot. Yeah hundred year before. What's the ceiling for Golf? Well I I think back to last year he had that four-game stretches was completely miserable. And if you look at the four opponents that he played three of them had the best defense in football last year. Baltimore Pittsburgh in San Francisco. He thrown the Chicago game which was the fourth one there. Deepens obviously good he combined for twelve points in those board game. It's just standing that. A quarterback can only get twelve points in a four-game stretch. You take out those four games. The average over twenty two points per game for the season and came back and San Francisco Week. Sixteen and he hit twenty two points. Twenty three points so I think he's better quarterback than what he's show last year. I think he's right. He's GonNa regress the thing that's working against him is it's offensive line got and they didn't do anything to upgraded and the run game is going to be able to support so if those things fail him again he so good play action. He needs everything to sort of be working. You know this this mcvay system to be you know. Almost you know links in a chain you know working together but I think he's one of the best guys. You can draft if you miss on one of your preferred targets. They're I think they're four guys. Robbins Burger Daniel Jones. Goff and maybe you Mayfield based on Mayfield. I just don't know the plays. That's the thing with him if they if they allow him to be in the five hundred range of pass attends he could be really good because of what they have. So who's your in the group? You just mentioned Rosberg okay. How about you would was rothlisberger. Goff Daniel Jones Baker Mayfield Garner Menchu. Who STANDS OUT Were EXCLUDING STAFFER. Guys now have been ranked in the top twelve. But that's the been taken that range of trying to throw that out there that if he's not going higher and your League Stafford's would be my pick but I don't really care. I think these are all fine guys like I think. I think I agree with Jamie. That's a good list. I like Rothlisberger a little bit later. I like golf for all the reasons they said. He had four games of three hundred seventy more passing yards last year. Get one over five hundred There's still plenty upside rams passing offense. We it's one of those ones where our expectations were so high and he had that really bad stretch that ginny reference. His season numbers weren't great. He doesn't run. It looks really bad immediately. First Stationery quarterback with the bad touchdown right In a few bad games like his fancy line looks bad but he could very easily bounce back in have a qb one season. And I. I like Dean Jones upside to so those are all guys that I would look at for. Sure that the thing to look at. What these quarterbacks Adam and Ben said this I think goes on. Hq high-volume passing or running and that's what these guys are GonNa have in their favor. Yeah I mean I read. Your article was all this by the way was inspired by then. Rosberg are getting a haircut. Jamie's J. decided to write a story about it. Good story check it out and like like he's mentioned. He's writing four stories about regretted the me and quarterback running back wide wide receiver tight end so we don't get to Josh Allen. Tom Brady you'll read about it. Let's go to running back here Moster Narran Jones Mark Ingram Alvin Kamara. It's ARECO and Who Should we talk about he? Who Should we talk about? I think Jones and Moster CH- are like the two that I would choose and you can pick one more if you like but I the thing that I have struggled with Aaron Jones and we don't like the AJ Dylan as a wildcard. Aaron Jones would have made the regression article whether the packers drafted Aaron Jones or not. Each just was not going to have that type of touchdown success nineteen touchdowns in the number of touches that he had. He was amongst league leaders in terms of touchdown rate for running backs. Andy scores and receiving touchdowns. That wasn't going to happen. And they've pretty clearly said they're going to share touches the thing that I struggled with before they drafted Dylan that I'm still kind of bothered by before last season in his first two years in the League Aaron Jones had averaged six touchdowns per one hundred carries. Well I don't think. Aj Dylan's cause them to get less than two hundred carries like maybe he gets two hundred and AJ Dylan gets one hundred and forty one hundred fifty or something. Things are really bad for Jones but like it. That rate went up last year. But we're now at three years. Where he's had a touchdown rate even a yards per carry in most cases that I would say we need rest that back a little bit so Jones is a little bit more of a complicated case than I'm used to. His six point eight percent touchdown rate from last year on Russia. Temps was out of this world. But I don't really know what I don't know I can't get anywhere Costa League average because of what the first two years look like he had thirteen carries inside the five yard. Line Jamal Williams had to. He had four point six yards per carry which was the worst of his career. He's I just think that are Jones awesome really good. I hope they let him be really good. We mentioned Jamie. Bring this up. You know the catches. He had forty nine catches while he had twenty seven in twelve games with Davante Adams and he at twenty two and four games without Devante Adams in all three of his receiving scores. Oh thank you man. All three of his receiving touchdown. So that's another angle there. Yeah he's he's a tough one. I think after the NFL draft. Yeah okay I heath. I know what you're saying. He would have been on this list before the NFL draft does AJ Dylan. Just take Jamaal Williams touches. That's what I'm hoping and Jones still gets a big role but I just feel like they're better when Aaron Jones is on the field. They're better the one thing I will say is. Aj Dylan is not taken all Jamal. Williams touches because a huge percentage of all Williams touches were in the passing not taking that his carries if he just takes his carries and Aaron Jones gets more like they're doing a to back split between Jones. In Dillon Jones might be better outside of the touchdowns. All right with I agree. He'd fit Jones is very good and especially on right matters that we've seen enough of it I think the way that you think about his regression is that stat out of the thirteen carries inside the five and Jamaal Williams only had two. We can't figure out why. The packers drafted aged. Dylan's there's no explanation for it. He doesn't play on passing downs. That's where they used Jamal. Williams it's literally has to becoming for some aspect of Aaron Jones. Workload and the only thing that makes any sense is short of its twenty twenty one. What if that's the reason? They drafted him but they're not just putting him on the bench for years. I mean he's GonNa play. I compare it to DeMarco Murray and Derrick Henry. You Know Henry was a second round pick. Didn't really have a big role and then I don't remember. The the the slight difference here is that Aaron Jones is not a workforce back size. Wise he's five nine two he's pretty he's do. Johnson sized the same size but which doesn't mean that he's not capable of it. He's shown that he is but they went out and draft a two hundred and forty seven pound back guys forty pounds on him. Who are they going to give those thirteen inside? The five yard carries do why else would they draft him in the second round so only explanation I have your factor in offensive line could be worse. They lose Blaga require is not as good blog so there's one piece in the offensive line which was great last year that they have to replace. And that's another factor I for me. It comes down to value with them. And that's it. You know I mean if you're getting impasse around two and a half you know mid round three. I'm fine with that. But he still goes around to. I think that's just too so you know. I think there are better back than that range you know for me. He's in the Group of girly and Gordon and those guys in the teens as opposed to somebody is still in the top twelve. It's splitting hairs. You know. I mean it's obviously not talking to a few spots but like for example in our in our magazine is coming out in June. Chris took him Chris Towers him at the back end of round two. I pose questions to everybody. Similar to Ben does on her on her I you take them in. Spotty said he still thinks he's the top a eleven back. I think he was eleven back the board. I don't see it possible if everybody's healthy and they want to split the workload potentially three ways. If not just giving dylan some of these high level touches like Ben said those thirteen opportunities could be split in half and then Jones if he doesn't produce like we saw with his receiving stats. And then you factor in the touchdowns coming down A. It's just hard for you. Know on paper to justify him being a second round pick. I by the way I think. Derrick Henry and DeMarco Murray Played Two seasons together. Henry had one hundred ten or so carries as a rookie behind a very good DeMarco Murray So that's our Jones where he most was the second one he wanted to talk about. I'm GONNA say the Third One's going to actually be Mark Ingram but let's go to regime moster. Ingram is a good choice because he is Absolutely going to regress the thing with host shirt is like he averaged five point six yards per carry last year and it's easy to they will as career average as even better than that. He's going to be twenty eight years old this season and he has one hundred seventy eight career Russia. Temps like he doesn't have a season's worth of Carey's yet so you should I off the top. I'm not going to project him for over five yards per carry. You're automatically losing at least a half a yard and probably a little bit more. And then he also had almost a six percent touchdown rate on those carries while his teammate Matt. Brita scored one touchdown like one hundred and fifty carries or something. I don't really think it's all that likely that he comes anywhere. Close to that and problem is like there's a lot of guys we'll talk about including AJ where you can make the argument. Yeah but they're going to get a lot more work so they can make up for the regression. That's obviously going to happen. He'll get more than one hundred and thirty seven carries for sure but I don't know that there's a pass to a lot more than two hundred carries for moisture and if you're going below five yards per carry which I think you should. I don't think you're getting a thousand yard. Rusher I don't think you're getting at ten touchdown guy and he's not going to catch passes. Does anybody like monster. I think he's an okay flex starts. He's really better not non. Ppo does he not justify more work though. With how good he's been Shanahan sniffer. I I guess. He has throwback. Oc but he doesn't seem at all like that's what he wants to do. It just loaded up on. They traded Brita but they they brought back McKinnon. They brought back Wilson. They loaded up on running backs again this off season. They're going to use multiple backs. Yeah they're going to use them. He he wants you know. He's spoken up for a two hundred touch workload or carry workload. He had a hundred and thirty seven. Last year is two hundred. Almost exactly what Mark Ingram had by the way and fifteen games so you think rainbows circuits two hundred carries. I bet the under Two hundred doesn't like I. I'm sure I haven't projected for less than that but it's like that's the ceiling. Okay would you guys rather have dairy guys? Good guys von on I'm GONNA take villain. I think I've projected higher but yeah I'll take one okay. Brahim oester or JK Dobbins most on the back drafted to that point. I think moster especially if you're zero rb it's most most most start is. I mean the comes from for me are are Sony. Michelle David Montgomery guys. That are going to potentially get a lot of work. But we're going to catch the ball ton and they need to really have good offensive line play scoring opportunities. You know I mean those type of guys that I that I struggle with our rank you know I mean just based on how they perform how they play in the opposite. They'RE GONNA plane. And if you don't take a Lotta running backs early like I don't in some drafts. Those are the types of guys that if you have to start one of them in the range that you're looking at those guys like they're the best potential start options that are available but if you do have some good running backs. I would take Jacob upside as a bench dash over these guests right if marking him. Goes Down you by leaps and bounds. Better have dickey any of the guys. We admit we'd rather if Mark Ingram. Seven Coleman are both injured which rather have dobbins are moster not close. Yeah Okay Mark. Ingram is the last guy I do. Ninety seconds Mark Ingram here is I want to bring this up. He had two hundred into carries. It's really not a lot in fifteen games. He scored ten touchdowns on the ground. Five receiving touchdowns but I don't think I noticed about Mark Ingram. He's played three seasons in his last. Like five or six thing. Five with fifteen or sixteen games all three of those seasons. He's been a top twelve running back. He's been top eight non-pwi our top eleven. Npr He did that with two hundred and five hundred thirty two hundred and two carries so he's remarkably efficient now in those three seasons including last year he had forty six fifty eight and twenty six catches. That's the problem is not catching the ball. Like he did with New Orleans but he. This guy has a remarkable ability to be better than most on a per touch basis. Zephyr say to score one hundred that fair to say. I don't know if it's I he's awesome. I Like I love Mark Ingram. He's also worked in situations and one will continue to work in a situation. That's going to be more efficient for a running back like Gus. Edwards was pretty damn efficient last year. And we don't think Edwards. As anything special the rushing touchdown rate for Ingram. Five percent is high enough that I would normally regress it my projection so I would not expect him to score ten touchdowns on two hundred carries even on an offense as good as the reference but the receiving he had five receiving touchdowns on twenty nine targets. Like we were laughing about the touchdown rate for Lamar Jackson of nine percent. Seventeen percent of his attempts to mark Ingram went for touchdowns or kingdom might be the reason for the touchdown right. Yeah a how about how about Robert. Woods gets one hundred and thirty plus targets and catches two touchdowns and Marceca's five and Ingram's profile is so fragile because anything bad that happens could just destroy it. It's a house of cards as a top fifteen back. So and there's more concerned that Jacob Dobbins is going to take a higher percentage of the carries in the second half than there was Gus Edwards. So everything is working against Moore. 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And let's talk golf download and subscribe on Apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher and anywhere else. Podcasts are found. Well Yeah you can't have a discussion about receivers regressing without talking about Jay Brown. And why are we on? Aj Brown and Robert Woods great idea in the commercial break lump. Aj Brown van had a great idea to love. Aj browder Robert Woods together. Because we've already talked about the quarterbacks so he thought their similarities between Asia Brown and Robert Woods or I guess the regression is really in opposite directions. Right it's in opposite directions. It does correlate with what we said about their quarterbacks. Jared Goff's going to throw more touchdowns so Robert Woods will score more downs. I will say that. Aj Brown's regression and bins. Going to let like Yelp. When I say this to me looks more severe than Ryan Tannehill hills regression. He averaged twelve. Point five yards I believe that the second highest mark since they began tracking that Stat Tyler Lockett and tyreek Hill are essentially tied for the best yards per target of all time at right around nine point four four so three yards Target worse than what Brown was last year and he might just be the most efficient wide receiver of all time been will probably say it's going to say that I don't feel. I am projecting him for better than nine yards for target which is pretty close to the best of ever. He also had a touchdown rate of nine point five percent which is also insane. It's better than Lamar Jackson's passing touchdown. Rate that we all just agreed has to regress so I just looked at. What does he have to do to match last year's numbers if he gets one hundred seventeen targets which is what thirty more than he had last year? Thirty five more than he had last year. An enormous increase. But I think ben also thinks a completely reasonable in a hundred and seventeen targets at nine yards per target. He gets the same yardage total as last year. A hundred thirty three targets. At a six percent touchdown rate which. If you'll remember Aaron Rodgers. Six percent touchdown rate is the greatest quarterback touchdown rate career of all time so. Aj Brown is basically Aaron Rodgers. At a six percent touchdown rate teams hundred and thirty three targets to match last year's eight touchdowns question you are not drafting. Aj Brown in the late third or early fourth-round to match what he did last year. Were drafting him. To approve a non pr you because he was number one hundred. I'm talking yes you're right. He was twenty-first. Npr But quarterback touchdown rate versus wide receiver touchdown rate the wide receivers. Median is very simple. Okay but I really good wide receiver if your name is not. Julio Jones will be higher than a really good quarterback yes but you can get over nine percent an elite receivers over nine percent a lot easier than a quarterback but an elite receiver cannot maintain nine percent year over year. Do Andre Hopkins's right around seven percents and he and Dante Adams is right around seven percent like seven percent would be fair. I did six so but even if you did it seven. You're right around the hundred and twenty targets again to get to what he was last year. I I WANNA go to Jamie actually here and not only get get in there but Jamie where should AJ Brown be drafted round four? Who Do you think? He's got a huge range of outcomes. Boomer bus kind of player. Yeah I mean we just the other day. I think you're you're hoping that he takes that step forward. I think you know my point was I just hope he kind of stays the same? That's kind of my expectation for to kind of stay the same. If he does take that next step forward that's the type of guy that's league winner for you so you know it depends on what you need for your team like. He's GonNa be Johnston in the range of Robert Woods and Alan Robinson and Tyler Lockett decay metcalf now those type of guys and you know while those other guys are probably safer. Because you've seen Robert Woods aside from last year produced with the Rams Allen Robinson when he's had the chance to be productive. Gatti's play with them off quarterbacks but when he's had the chance to be productive he's been good last year proved that Daybreak could be better than those guys but he could be significantly worse the risk run. You know. You're you're talking about a guy that could be fantastic. The thing that you you have to be concerned about. His quarterback is not that great just edit career season. It's a run heavy offense. And does he change the dynamic of what those things are. Ben Laid it out for the other day. I mean if Derrick Henry gets hurt and they after more on their ground game he's their best player You know there's not a competition for targets. I do think John it gets better. And maybe better than what? Laney walkers been banged up the last couple of years but Corey Davis has been a flop. So the passing game. Some run through there. There are a lot of ways to look at. Aj Brown and say okay. He could be really really great. There's a few to look at it and say he could be flawed. But that's like he's not a I think a I three round pick Ben's aggressive when he drafts him but but bence typically aggressive with a lot of the guys that he likes. Okay Ben so you think that they were so efficient last year. It's not going to be the case this year. But that's going to force Ryan to handle to throw the ball more. Yeah I mean nailed it. I mentioned just yesterday. But there's only four four teams in the last seven seasons that have thrown fewer than four hundred fifty passes. Titans the last two years are two of those four teams as are the Ravens last year. You think the ravens were low pass last year. Four hundred forty attempts At four hundred forty attempts in. Aj Brown's target share from week. Ten on when he started playing full snaps and he keeps mentioning. How many targets got full season last year? He didn't play full snaps until ten. That's the biggest point. I WanNa make at twenty five percent four hundred and forty past temps which would be the lowest in the league last year. That's one hundred ten targets. That is edgy. Lebron's floor he's going to get at least one hundred ten targets this year I if he doesn't need to shoot well I will say the only he he might get one hundred and ten targets. One hundred. Ten targets is not enough to be as good as he was last year. But I'm just making these Straw man arguments that he's going to get like ninety five again or like pointing out that one hundred seventeen to thirty five one hundred and fourteen targets. I have him as a late fourth round pick. I don't dislike. Aj Brown at all. But I do think I'm project him close to closer to his ceiling that his four and in the playoffs he a fifteen percent target share. Where Davis had more targets? Aj Brown did and their three playoff games. They barely through. Don't think through. They threw for fewer than one hundred yards in two of those games. I actually just wrote. Ugg around piece so if anyone wants to read my reputation of slander from heath they can find. That's how you know like that. One of us is not being reasonable as one of us has. Aj Brown like a round behind where been wants to take him and has Asia Brown projected for world class efficiency across the board but arguing regression. That he's not worth a third round pick is slander. Well let me ask you love but lie in. What are you telling people realistically where to drop them like? Are you telling people to draft him in the third round yet or are you saying take him in the fourth round? Because I think that's important because we all love player sooner than he should go. I get you know we do this all the time with players that. He's the only one that draft garbage. So you know we all have guys that were gonNA take earlier like if you know your your friends come to you. You're on the podcast on eight. Q where are you telling people that? Aj Branch go and it's a perfect question to for me to just sum this up. Real quick I talk about this in the article but two point I'm not disagreeing with that and I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I just don't think I've put this point out there. The average projections probably going to have him as a fifth round. Pick and I say this in the article and I believe said this a lot of times I'm pods. He is either a small loss on the low end. It gets a hundred ten targets are fourteen like he's projection or is huge win and I would. I like to make those types of bets. Compared to the running backs in those ranges that are potentially small wins or huge losses. I don't think. Aj grout Brown's floor is very low at all. I think it's pretty hot bird route. His floor would be like a fifth round value and I take him at the back end of the third round or the early early part of the fourth typically but I would draft him in the third. Because I'm comfortable with a player that doesn't have a huge negative impact on my team. He's a a little loss but could potentially have a massive positive impact Just let you know. Sportsline has projected as the twenty-first receiver off the board. So that's round for round five twenty second which is exactly but my point is just you said you hadn't project closer to sealing. I think that's crazy I So we did the year too wide receiver episode and it didn't go the way I thought it was going to go kinda thought I had all this enthusiasm and I thought you know other people would and it wasn't really the case But I one thing I didn't mention was the there's a recent history of your two receivers dramatically outperforming their ADP and that was actually the basis for for the entire episode like dimension the basis for the episode during the episode. Yes I did. It was it was. It was the basis for why started doing all the year too wide receiver research with some help from the rest of the crew. And I'm going to go for his doctorate but he's not gonNA tell everybody do. I have a really interesting spreadsheet receiver notes. In fact Jamie I include. I updated it after the show to include the round. They were drafted him. Because you mentioned pedigree and I thought that was a really good point and that works against the receivers from last year but but Brown was pretty high second round pick so but anyway a I receivers typically out the ones that hit they typically outperform their their ADP. Although it's going pretty early. I think you said the ones that. Hit typically outperform. Adp Well Matic close out all the ones that fit. Look look you. Dj for was wide receiver twenty-eight and DJ Shark was not drafted Portland Sutton was wide. Receivers the guy that we had this conversation about all last year because I was taking the number draft. Oh yeah he hit last year. You weren't taking him in. The third round. Absolute was coralline. Sutton was wide receiver. Forty eight eighty. P Michael. Gallup was wide receiver forty four the year before that you'd use misuse was wide receiver eighteen at ADP and he finished at the is why are going to outperform their eighty. P metcalf mcquarry saying. That's what the research suggests if you get nine hundred yards as a rookie. You're probably going to outperform your ADP in your to that's what about ADP listed. Though what. Yeah but I just let me finish talking about the top. Half of that spreadsheet no. I'm not I went through of which I went. Well the problem is a lot of those guys were earlier the decks. You're right earlier in the decade. So I'm only going not going back to Michael Clayton two thousand. No you're right there. Are there are failures? There are absolutely failures. I laid it out and the reasons why most of them were failures. And those reasons don't seem like going to apply to most of these players. Except are there quarterbacks? Going to get worse. That is a big concern for age. Adp debut problem. Though I don't I don't know because like I'm saying Juju Smith Schuster had a similar. Adp to Brown he was wide receiver eighteen at ADP as a sophomore and he had fourteen hundred yards and seven touchdowns. I I'm not I'm not disagreeing. But like they're all going in the same rate. That's the problem. It's like all these guys are going to be around for around five. Picks for them they all hit to this level and be top. Whatever received. There's GonNa be a lot of only three of them are. Aj Brown three them around. Okay the nine hundred yard guy but metcalfe's probably yes they are. You're right they are all going. Aj Brown and McLaren metcalf is that AJ Brown was a dominant collegiate player the similarity between Aj Brown Dj more introduce Mr is all had elite age adjusted production college. He's the same as those guys in that. I'm willing to look past your one and just that efficiency I don't see that as a negative it will regress but I see it as an extension of how good was it. College Him Metcalf Played Twenty Games together. He had more receptions and fifteen more yards and seventy he wasn't Alpha side McAfee college and then he was an Alpha last year in the half season that he played. He's he's a superstar. Yeah the thing though. I think that could hold him. Back is is Danone. That's the only worry about is is well inflatable. Like they don't play like they could. They could throw four hundred and eighty passes. This year. I give you more examples by the way Alan Robinson was wide receiver twenty-five and ADP was wide receiver six that year. Jarvis Landry was wide receiver seventeen and finished wide receiver. Eleven Jordan. Mathews got a little worse. He was wide receivers. Got To the bottom. Half of the SPREADSHEET. I'm I don't have. I totally acknowledge the failure sith but most of the examples were positive. Once was fifty fifty. Now it wasn't because it was ten to eight first of all you said it was night. It was ten to eight positive versus negative but two of the eight were Michael. Thomas and Mike Evans like they had amazing second season. They just had bad touched Ala. They increase their yards. They were fine so I really. I think it was at his usual. I think it was ten to six. No I think. Tom went down like six touchdowns that year as usual. No He's usually nine ten to six to what I would say he in terms of Michael Thomas be listening at bother to to the winds tile eight two six two four eight two eight six four all agree that you take you take out. Four Games of their sophomore season need carry the one and then subtract. Just the SPREADSHEET. It's a great news week. Ten their opponent was coming off a bye. That's right that's true but all of these guys last year including AJ Brown. They had fewer targets than just about every other wide receiver. That had a good rookie year. It was really weird and they still manage to do pretty well. Okay so no time for tired Ed. So last thing here we'll do tight on Monday or Tuesday shaggy. Be Making note of that last thing here. Tell me heath in terms of aggression candidates now. Odell Beckham why he should actually go ahead of. Aj Brown NPR OJ. Odell Beckham had a three percent touchdown rate last year which is extreme. That's running back glow and well below the median for wide receivers and he's always been elite at that that was one of the things that made him and elite wide. Receiver is how good. He wasn't a red zone. How good he wasn't scoring touchdowns and like I don't care so much that he was hurt all your last year. Because he's been hurt almost all of his career. He's just always hurt but I would. Just he's going to score probably seventy five percent more touchdowns so he scored four. I guess sevens like a floor and that makes a big difference in where he finishes do you not about Beckham after his rookie season. They would've said you have to regress all that efficiency. There's just no way again if you WANNA draft that that's a good point if you WANNA draft. Aj Brown is if he's Odell Beckham. Then just do that. It's okay to bet on him being Odell Beckham and he did. He did but he was still amazing. That's actually the point that's fair. I think he's just gotten down to the point I think. Aj Brown is a bet. That I WANNA make as a player who is already elite because of everything. I said that goes back to College. Not just a half season last year and a nice comparison is the quarterback situation. Because obviously I was playing out the string. You know at that point. He wasn't great when Beckham came in to the League when he when he fifteen. I mean that was the start of divine like pretty much always been playing out the string. He had the kind of resurgence in the in. The two years of mcadoo is no he put it put up. Put Up these number. You know in terms of in terms of talent you would say ten Illinois Manning probably comparable. I would not say that. Oh my God no I would. That's off that at that point is career and tannehill coming up the season he just had. I okay tannahill coming off the season he just had is different than like Tattoo. Hill saying hill they borderline adding he better and less rushing upside than tannehill. It'd be a very bad tangent and I apologize for bringing all saying. Is that tannehill coming off? A great season and Manning was toward the end of his group so quarterback comparison not the greatest quarterback situation for those two receivers. That's true except Beckham. Had his work at a really bad catch rate to. I thought you might go there with the regression but boy Baker Mayfield was so inaccurate last year but bigger Mayfield probably will increase that completion rate because it was much the thing to worry about is sharing the field with a ton of talent. If right and Hooper's there and the joke was still gonNA play and the backs are awesome. It's going to be running dominant team. I mean that's the concern for me with Beckham. And he got it out sixteen game last year through injury or core. Whatever was he typically Mrs Game. He's getting tougher about that. All right. That's it for the show. Good stuff you're too wide receiver. What did we learn something about your to wide receivers? I think is your Rebecca. That's what we learned I. I learned that Adam beaten in super types out. Brown is something. We're GONNA talk a lot about weight. Aj Brown did go to the same school as Eli Manning right he did yeah and I had been that he was the guys different guys who have ever done anything. Close to twelve point. Five yards per target on eight or more targets and finally one player. That's anywhere near that. An eighty or more targets now. You're Anthony Armstrong comparisons. That's not that wasn't a elite fantasy player in at least one season because top ten is just a list of Torry Holt's and Julio Jones's and all these elite players love just wonder if it's going to be year three as opposed to it might be. That's the way I think about Hockey Ron Brown. It's what you said in the last call on the last show I call them calls on the last show and I wrote that article as well. It might be that. He doesn't take a huge step forward in your to but I feel so confident this guy's going to be in a league player five years now. The path of that is Henry is still great. They still run the ball on the everything that you've laid out. The passing numbers are down. The run efficiency is great and then Henry gets hurt and they come back or he leaves team they come back to your three for Brown. And it's he's now they're even even that scenario brown is a small loss on his ADP. I still think he'd be efficient in that type of offense simply action stuff going on. He would put up strong numbers. Typically the sportsline model that I've seen since we've been doing this running projections they don't usually adjust replay like this and put him. This is a gift. He's usually somebody that they kind of look at they. Don't they look more like what he does? Which is not a knock by any stretch of the full game numbers. You know the fact that he wasn't involved as much early in the season and they spend that Ford a little bit. I'm surprised they haven't projected for ninety three targets but fifty six catches thousand. Forty five and six touchdowns. Well LISTEN GUYS. Are Conference calls gone a little long and somebody will last thing. It's like two of the top four seasons eighty targets all time are Jordy Nelson Mike Wallace. Aj Brown and does Shawn Jackson. I think Mike Wallace and disarmed Jackson are the the the the concern area. The problem area there deep threats read the rest of the list. Stefan Digs Eric Moulds multiples great Tori. Victor Cruz Michael. Irvin tyreek Hill. Kenny stills like there's there's got to like Julio halt again didn't think none of those are even stills Heath Kenny Stills Adam we yeah and non White Wallis Dijon Jackson Kenny stills. Yeah I always love doing the in non versus VR. But I think he's try the number one receiver most by non PBR. He's atop thirty six pick. He's and around three in full. Pr About six eight picks later mid round for. It's a lot like Kennedy. Yeah but like Calvin Ridley is awesome and he probably outperformed projections last year right because he is a huge yards per catch guy. He caught a lot of touch. You know what screw it. I'm I'm with that I'm bullish. Aj Brown yes a year to receiver. He's a late round three pick. Yeah yeah wait. Did you skip Randy Moss on that list? Would you guys gotta go? Okay thanks for listening to everybody. Have a great weekend having fun Memorial Day weekend. We'll talk to you on Tuesday with another edition of Fantasy football.

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Best Of (Ezekiel Elliott, OBJ's profile, Harden/Westbrook, Pacquiao/Mayweather)

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Best Of (Ezekiel Elliott, OBJ's profile, Harden/Westbrook, Pacquiao/Mayweather)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host. Johnny tapped it is so great to be back with all of you and we have so much to get to on today's show should the cowboys cave steve and Tae Ezekiel Elliott Plus G. Q. Writer Mark Anthony Green joins the show to discuss his in-depth profile on Odell Beckham Junior and is there already friction brewing between James Harden and Russell Westbrook Skip Shannon. Let's get to it well first of all a happy birthday to Ezekiel Elliott. He turns twenty four today but he might not be cowboys training camp later this week pro football talk reports. That Zeke is telling people. He intends to hold out if he doesn't get a new contract back in April the cowboys picked up Zeke's option through the twenty twenty season adding more fuel to the fire reports also say Zeke could be making plans for a trip out of the country and Yahoo reports the situation between Zeke and the team could go quote sideways fast this week. We're joined Fox football analyst Reggie Bush of mourning have you but per shannon that famous says it all. How will this play out? Put you need to put those Super Bowl player that you plan to go go into Bab. You might need to put those on hold yeah. Let's get look I believe will start training camp holding out and and they will tell him we're going to take care of you. Just not this year zeke understand skip. Two of the first three years Zeke is led the League in rushing but in those two years he's also led the League and carries. If you look at the year twenty seventeen eighteen that he missed those six games carry per game he led the League again so that tells per game Yeah Yeah so that tells me three of three he would lead the League in rushing and carries thank you now Reggie was running back. He knows there's only so many cares. You have in that body now. They got him under contract with this year. They've already picked up the fifth year option so they got him for twenty twenty whatever they got to franchise tag so they run this thing out to seven. How would you run him in the ground you remember Demarco Murray and run them in the ground? Are we doing lead normally. The rule of thumb is what I tell guys. If you're thinking about holding out you should have thought about it a year before you actually hold out that way you put look at MMA. We buy nothing arena a new furniture do upgrade where no new car coming here because I got a feeling this thing will go into the season and I'm going to have to miss some paychecks to make them know that I'm serious about this so skip out on his side but this has working against for the last three years commissioners had him up in his office. He's been in the principal's office. Jerry know that there are things that have happened in Dallas that to the casual fan. They don't know oh about well. Guess who know about him skill Jerry Jarrett's commissioner doesn't even know I've kept hush hush really yeah so jerry lead you had to go to the commission is open for shoving a security to your security guy that toys give to security. I what got money remember. I told you go hand. Break your mouth. You be done with it okay but you now. You're saying Jerry's doing the same thing the security guys doing these extorting yeah. That's what happens so he's like hold on. How can I get you forty five million and I know you act up? You possibly go miss them. Games skip. You give guys the money the long term deal that you know you can count on <hes>. They're going to keep the nose clean off the field and they're going to bless their book for your on so I get Zeke Porn Abuse Clinton. He knows that they will use them up because he had his offense working Novi. Nobody eats now. I don't know nobody eats so I guess the question is how much is that peace of mind worth right because like you just mentioned talking about Zeke is the one question you always come up with is what is he going to do next right what am GonNa wake up in the morning and read about next Zeke and so the player in me sympathizers was Zeke because he is the best running back in the league that we have to offer the status even best in the League back that up since two thousand sixteen the cowboys are twenty two and six when he has twenty plus carries. There's not even a question of who this offense runs through Iran's new Z. But the general manager side is thinking well his trae violence never going to be higher than it is right now <hes> right. He's just turned twenty four years old today. He's the best running back in the league but running the football would not win you a super bowl right and so even with all the stats Zeke has has accumulated. They have nothing to show for right got bouncing the playoff lash. They WANNA playoff game. They want a playoff game but it's a quarterback driven league all right yeah. I gotTA quarterback too. I got a good young quarterback and Deck Bay next Cheer Amore. He's gotTa pay next year money now. I'm GonNa now so the reason. This man says he's on Zeke side is because he is not on my I side and he knows then I am onto something because this team is really good position to be the team in the N._F._C. This year because it's right on schedule to win another playoff game and then another Oh wait a second and wind up in dare. I say the Super Bowl there's only one thing that could derail this team and that is a lengthy bloody nasty hold out by one Ezekiel Elliott Happy Birthday Z. only twenty four hundred twenty twenty four you do. I don't know you got a great crew. It worked out pretty well. The point is this is all much ado about zero nothing. I don't care and again. His agent is dropping hints to the media. He might just leave the country now. That camp is up to us right. I don't care if he goes to Tahiti or Timbuktu. Mexico Mexico escape you can go to Mexico that counts being out of the country right because you can hold out quote unquote. All you want to of this training camp because if you go to camp you're going to get held out of everything. They won't even let you practice take seriously he gets no practice carries and trust me. He is zero Carey's in any preseason game. So all I care about is that on Sunday September the eighth at four twenty five eastern time right here on Fox bucks that Zeke is in uniform for my Dallas Calva ready to roll and ready to do a lot of this because you're right when when he they but the most important player on my team is still the quarterback as you said it's a quarterback's game. He is the leader unquestioned of this team. He is the one you can count on on and off the field ezekie essential this you better believe he is essential but Jerry Jones. I keep telling you the one area in which he gets the highest marks is big business in when it comes to managing cap and salaries. There's never been anybody do it better than Jerry. Jones has done it and I was there every bloody day of of that Emmett Smith hold out the first two games and they lost the first time the next day is the next and yet he took less than that. I thought he would have at that moment because Zeke emit just just misplayed football and he knew they needed him and he he caved caved in and guess what he was the regular season m._v._p.. And the Super Bowl M._v._p.. So it worked out it was right on time. This will all work out but I still believe the first to get his money is going to be the quarterback and it's going to happen before camp. Is What is the. Did you hear what quarterback say he's. He's a Zeke to be the highest paid running back. I Will Amar to be the highest paid Robert Perceiver and I wanna get what I deserve. That's I don't love it mathematically though my right he won't what he deserves. Now you know stats you helping his case. Oh he owed the first three year. The highest completion percentage one more game than Yada Yada Yada Yada Yada Yeah have game winning drive that anybody Yup Yup you. Are you willing to take less money. No I don't I don't think he's going to get his and they will figure out how to Pay Amari. He won't be the highest paid receiver but he will get his money and then they will take care of Zeke and I do agree with your premise. They do have a tendency philosophically to say. We'll pay him one more time but we can't can't pay him for long long term because they know you just don't last long running the way he runs. You didn't run exactly the way Zeke Zeke will just take on brick wall. You'll just fight through brick wall sorry and so that's what's interesting about him as an athlete because he takes so much pounding on his body and he doesn't get hurt. He does not get hurt on his exactly not go somewhere whatever you can right now because when he just. It doesn't get hurt and that's the thing to me. That's so amazing because I know how tough it is live in those trenches right. He's gotta live four to five yards and I didn't run the football like he did and I still got injured right and so what you so my question is to you so who has the real leverage Richard Right is it the cowboys or is because they know that bred boarder with Zeke they needed and they end because we forget what we thought Zeki twenty seventeen when he thought no six game on the cowboys do not their quarterback that good good young quarterback. He's Special Special Ooh. Did you see hi. What Zeke did you see how Jerry fought for Zeke yeah on and off the field jerry behind the scenes and in front of the cameras how he he fought in it meant something physique and did you see that that reuniting scene of them on the docket? We're gonNA bring you got a mortgage. Why don't we mortgage against a you like a month behind the mortgage that embrace that me Sean Payton Half Day money is pay him pay you go ahead Ezekiel Teddy K._G._B.? Go ahead look. You know what he won't he only he knows he only has so many skilled these three hundred care seasons they add up and now you've thrown into the fact you're throwing the ball fifty five times a year so now he's up around four hundred touches. You only get so many of those seasons in your body then out. The riled is a diminishing return. He knows that he's thought look the guy that he replaced DeMarco Murray. That's what he did heal eh if made him out Pittsburgh tried to do the same thing to levy on bill now going to pick up that option franchise you. He's a number. I'm good get nothing out of Medicare. <hes> Jerry was not close to DeMarco Murray. Jerry loves like a son we've seen this before but when he does love you as he loved Dez like a son He will go to the ends of the Earth to try to make it work out but what will he do that for the running back position position. You've got to look at the picture Todd Gurley just got paid and now people are asking a question. How many rep should he get the season so we can keep him healthy because he has wear and tear? That franchise tide's pretty good. No no no no no. I don't know brands after one year not in these long term. How did he do years as you need him to be holding out because it's your only hope that you hold out that this team will be no good well? Good is the security system if it only works when you were home security when I'm away skill. I need it thirty five right. Now I show or I gotta go to Mexico. How many cases of diet do would you like to bet me right here? Right now. Zeke is is in uniform on September. The eight that four twenty five eastern mega sweat a little bit okay it makes wet. They might shoot him a couple of couple of meal on the table. Okay take that that against the rule now all of a sudden play my room and do it educate now. Okay okay. We got this Geria- some issues when he's trying to put a football team together but when it comes to figure out how to pay people he pays people use it to to a fault you think because Jason Garrett had a meeting and Nantucket we coach belching. You guys got this. It's an omen it's an omen. It's a super bowl breathing. Oh you remember that movie. <hes> okay so you know awesome. Thank you for joining us. Not only did the Boston Celtics win the N._B._A.. Finals in nineteen eighty six but a queen size mattress was only one hundred sixty nine dollars though Larry Bird is no longer playing mattress firm is making sure the eighties are still represented during mattress firm's flashback sale you can save up to four hundred dollars on throwback deal suitable for the sleep hall of fame score and updated bed for a price in the past and can start sleeping like one of the Pros Odell Beckham Junior did a fascinating interview with G. Q.. They covered many areas including Odell trade to the browns all the criticism he receives how he thought about retiring from football and how how he wants to break Jerry Rice's receiving yards record the August issue of G.. Q. Is out tomorrow but you can hear all the details right here on undisputed. We're joined now by the man that interviewed Odell Four G. Q. Martin Greene Welcome. Tom Ask roaming. I have known this man for a good while and a lot of time around him and I am here to say that once again. You did a sensational job on this blockbuster G. Q. Cover Story. Thank the intro that you wrote is among your best writing that I have ever read in the report that you obviously established with Odell was riveting to me because it just goes deeper and deeper and deeper did. Did you feel a connection have you known Dell in the past from different cover shoots no so you know we had met a few times but for like two seconds and one thing that we really really tried to do <hes> especially new Jacuzzi. We have a new editor in chief start in January. We'll Welsh and one thing that he's so passionate about is giving our favorite most interesting people athletes actors musicians whoever a space to have an honest sometimes difficult conversation correct and I think that's so important especially for athletes because they have to speak to media constantly and you know there's a huge difference between what what we do a G. Q.. What you guys do here and what you know like the beat reporter at the Cleveland Gazette Yeah you know and I and I think that you know you you guys are are entertainers and provocateurs and you know this is the most provocative man you know on the airwaves but you know I think that he I'm really grateful that he came in? We could have an honest conversation station and he was willing to talk about anything and he was really thoughtful about it. <hes> I genuinely think that this is the best look at who he is <hes> which is our goal for every profile and I appreciate the kind words but you know there's there's an entire team of people equally if not more talented than me G. Q. So he is the most provocative athlete of recent days as the skip bayless so let me jump in and start start in your intro. This is the key detail of the story because this is a constant theme on this show okay. What is the hood ornament on his roles his orange rolls without picked out before the the trade? Yes happened to come out as you described it sort of Tangerine Orange nookie right. I said it wasn't between electric tendering. Okay I might have been the best line of peace yeah okay. So what does that WHO'd ornament it's a chrome figuring of the catch what dominates this whole piece to me the catch what has shaped the psyche in the instagram following of one Odell Beckham junior from the start it was the catch correct so in your is having sat with them for all the time that you sat described what the catch means to Odell View we could zero in on skip sneakers offers right now. He's got on a pair Jordan eleven and on the bottom of them and has jumped man logo okay when Michael Jordan played every game after he jumped from the free throw line. Do you think he was thinking about that. No no no so why why are we holding Odell to standard that we haven't held any other athlete to he did something that was remarkable. One of the greatest catches in football history. It became a symbol for him. It is a branding thing ninety uses uses it. I don't think it's anything more than that and if I had to make that catch probably couldn't afford a Bentley but like a Volvo. I'd put it on my Volvo. S You know Michael Jordan jump from the free throw line. He loses that dunk competition. Are we still looking at that that logo the same probably be there because I'll lean that all but he heard before you go into for the skip. This is what I told you skipping. We go back and forth with this as give like you know well. You might be onto something. They lost that game okay. Why is it that when people point out that was a hell of a catchall deal but you lost the game when did fact become hey Nah? I don't think I think saying that is fair but people say a lot more than that and that's not what he just said. We gotta stick he said is he too preoccupied with it. My answer is no did he lose that game. Yeah he lost that game but I think it matters and I really he said in the article they pointed doubt this and you said this is the most this is the most clear indication of WHO Odell Beckham meal when people point out to Odell Beckham. You made a hell of a catch Dale but you lost the game. He said they are Haiti. Why why is telling the truth eight I think he's taught in the context of what he's saying? He's talking about constantly bringing up something negative in him celebrating the thing. I don't think he's ever said ever and I'd have to go through and look. I don't think he's ever said. We won that game so in him celebrating that case it'd be like if I were to say hey you look really nice hands Ashi right. Why would I need to bring out the hands ass you? It was like Oh you're sued the argument if you make it a good argument okay you let your hands can be answered but that the argument but look what he did. I'm just I don't know but if Jordan had lost with that have been joined logo because like you said that's his brand I think is still would have been as logo. I absolutely think I don't think I don't think joy losses slam dunk contest. It would be celebrated raided the way it is just like I don't think we celebrate Odell jumped me and logo too much. I don't see anybody wearing. I see jumping logo and this meat. You know I'm saying I think that it's celebrated proportionately which is for him in his career and in modern day football football is one of the most exciting things we say and I think it gets just the you know the right amount of love and attention so I have said from the start about Odell I think he has a good heart and I kind of divide the world into goodhart not good heart yeah but his priorities always seem slightly out of whack and it did start with that catch which came early in his career and it set the instagram table for an for an image he had to continue to to live up to the image did not include winning championships. He tells you occasionally in this piece. Yes my goal is to win super bowls but at the end of the P._C.. Goes so far as to say you're asking what could you play. Maybe could you see ten more two years or until I pass Jerry Rice. That's twenty three thousand yards. He is so far behind Jerry Rice. You would have to have twelve straight career years. If I go off his career best of fifteen hundred yards to pass jerry rice will now now. You're you're warped in your your viewpoint because it it's again a solo act goal that seems to be his priority in football right now. As I ask Jerry Rice with me I one hundred percents okay. Well let me point out. One thing which I thought was a really telling part where he talked about. Odell could've played soccer football. You could've played basketball. Hey He could've played bass player could could've played baseball and if you look at his golf swing it's beautiful and he talks about how you know. Football is a sport the only sport of of its kind to where you can lose a game and offensively view on offense perfect. You could still losing you know that me and on the field you're depends on of your dependent upon others so him having a personal goal the only thing that he could control. We're here to say shame on you for having their personal not insane Sean Hannity show the occupied with being self but I was skipping the looting to of all the sports he could've played golf. He could've played tennis right. He chose a team sport but he wants to be an individual because I'll look at here. He says we're getting primetime. Games steal every five and eleven team why because people want to see me yeah. He's now what about what about wrong but I'm saying bobbin eleven. That was wrong. Listen you said earlier yeah I agree you said earlier. The N._F._l.. Is An entertainment business. Yes okay yes. Few things in the N._F._l.. Are More entertaining than Odell Beckham Jr.. He's not wrong when he says you appoint now. If you say something that's factual you should let that ride. That's what Saquon got pretty entertaining. I'm sure he was he was also entertaining question. You you do a lot of these stores entertainers what rotate in the entertainment movies okay if you do movies was the ultimate goal. You want to win an Oscar if you if you if you if you play a team sport yes you WanNa make you want to make a lot of money and have a lot of memories but if you play a team team sport if the championship is not the end all be all you abby you wasting my time I don't he says ninety times in the piece he wants to win the Super Bowl and that's all you can say to to make y'all happy. No no no no no. He can make me happy be with his behavior. I don't know how his behavior on the field is. Conducive for winning championships named the Guy This won a championship that exhibited his type of behavior on the field on reveal. Yes he's sometimes great sometimes bad. I think any player no no no. I'm not talking to no. I'm not talking about the game when he kicks a field goal. No I'm like unfortunately like conduct for the behavior that he displayed against Carolina. So what you're saying is that there's no champion that's ever exhibited is ever been over passionate or being upset later. This passion I one thousand percent label is being over passionate but but how again guys think about the thing you ask him for what we're saying that okay he's not focused on the game of football say that Ah that's exactly what the what the context is that he's not focused on the game of football. He's focused that's what gives in everything around it and we're begging him to be passionate but begging him to care about football and he makes a mistake and he's passionate about that and so he kick something or yells or he does something that we deems unsportsmanlike conduct and all. I'm saying like men that that seems like a lose lose situation. How many mistakes does he get to make say you know what that's who he is? I don't deem them mistakes. Would you say the rumors he didn't he didn't with a mistake. I don't do mistakes. I think he got upset and kick something I believe in. I don't think game of chicken. The middle sidelined doesn't cost me fifteen yards. His behavior that he exhibited in Carolina Cost Me Yard. That costs me a place that costs me yeah. He also has made his main plays. He's he's gotten them. Yeah I mean I'm saying this is in the realm of the game of football. You know if there's a penalty for it and it's in the rules okay Mark Anthony Allow. You know what I mean. Defend this man across Marie. You're arguing okay. He needs it. He he played dependent position called tied in similar to what Odell great playing and yet he was one of the great team leaders in the history of the game which is in part art why he is in the pro football hall of fame was he is gifted as Odell at his position close but not quite but because Odell listen on all around athletic gifts. He's up there with dion to me in gift yeah he has it all. He's got it up. Oh okay so the point is when when you have the the declaration from him that shocks you in the piece where he says he told his mom at some point a couple years ago. Would you be okay if I'm done if I stop stop playing football because he probably belonged playing another game seriously we've gone through terrel owens. You're you're stuck playing dependent position and you can't right you want to be a solo star. In integral wishes he'd played more basketball well. Maybe the Odell would have been better at baseball or golf or or it could where he could be more than relying so much on the team because this is the ultimate team game. You're stuck in it you a really good at it but you can't get it through your head that when you finally get to play a playoff game at Lambeau you can't lead your receivers down to South Beach to get ready for the game on the frozen Tundra we did that was a mistake and then I was stupid then he tries to defend defend himself in the piece the quotes are potent but there they make you sit back and say wait a second because he's saying do you realize they only through me seven balls in the Green Bay game we'll do you realize Odell that the first one they through to you was third <music> five and he dropped it him right in the hands okay. You can't defend that because they did get blown out in the defense did give up whatever it was four thirty thirty five or so the one thing I'll say about that. If that guy you keep the one in Baltimore I mean see you again. We all I think we all I too early and then it just what happened is they. Don't work like that. I'm saying like we everybody listening to this. Everybody here. We have a job right and you three are three the best at what you do right if you started off today you gotTa start at six thirty in the morning four four. Sorry got started so early so let's say let's say when when you go on air let's say you start at six thirty from six thirty to seven Shannon's a little weak. You'll have you keep doing this in the ball and I'm saying Dell's at work. Odell is your franchise players when the price paid to ever die throwing through they throw him the Bible it's not he threw him seven more back Adam. He threw four back Adam. It's a mistake it was it was a mistake they should have done. That's that's how you win the how much money you make how much you keep or you can count the balls. They threw ADEMA. How many did he catch pitch when he hits you with these? How do you how do you go try those that terrible? You're on your own to here but we do have to take a quick break us so much more than lurking beneath. We'll be right back mark. Anthony Green of Gq is still with us. He interviewed Odell Beckham Junior and one of the topics was the criticism Odell receives from black gossip websites who talk about his personal life Odell said this it makes is it worse when it comes from the black community. I feel like everything is a double standard. You want us to support the black community and then you go out and bash black people for being happy. I always try to keep my personal life my personal life I feel like I don't owe that to anybody. <hes> so Margaret did it surprise you. How Open Odell was talking about the subject? I guess it was surprising I mean I think that specifically an equal we're talking about. Is You know. Teams all of these websites are obviously a following him around but if you look at some of the black gossip websites in particular they were fixated on this idea that he was gay and I do think that it it plays into this idea of you know obviously saying somebody's gays not homophobic or is it an insult but when you are constantly only saying just because he's hanging out with some male friends are just because he's dancing which was the root of a lot of it and that's no longer seen as masculine or that's I do think that that starts to play into this idea homophobia and you know the world has a long way to go with L._G._B._T._Q.. Rights we know that and things are bad and I think the black community has always had a really backwards relationship when it comes to homophobia and so I do think you kind of saw that and I and you know again it was something that he had never been asked before but I had seen it so much time line on these sites. He seemed to welcome your question question though he said this is the first time and I think it's again. It's a thing that is so important G. Q. of like you know when I there's no Gotcha questions when I try to stick you on some writing but count come come come to us to have an honest conversation in and for us to give you a safe place to truly express how you feel and you could be wrong. You know you could have made the mistake but I think the way he he answered. It was super thoughtful and you know he sent him a million times. I think another reason addresses because he he's like I love my friends and family and in this community and I don't want it to seem dumb. You shouldn't have to hang out with you know thanksgiving. I get that a lot to people say because they never seen me posted female all our posters my food and my dogs so I'm single. They don't see what they don't see. You know people start to speculate but I'm cool. I don't need that explained my orientation to anybody. I'm good with with WHO I am. What I am right but that is we we are so will support black businesses do black on percent and we we are sometimes I biggest critic and I biggest enemy because we see this a lot with comma hairs? She's not black enough with no other race of people normally label their own race as being you know here. Asian people say he's not Asian Asia. He's is not white enough but we do that with us and Odell is one hundred percent right. They want us to embrace us but they attack us for being us. What difference does it make? What O'Day alike or does it like? He you have a job. Your job is to be an N._F._l.. Football player and either damn good at that so to question his manhood. I understand that and I don't even know if this question a man I do think that one fair criticism of the black community is to say yeah well you know. What are you doing to help the black community? What are you doing to help you community and that doesn't but I'm saying that doesn't help that doesn't that doesn't help at all? It also is not the criticism that anyone in on those sites making speaking of Odell right so I think that if you make that of Kamala Harris if you make that of whoever Lebron James or whatever you know I think that okay I think that's a fair thing to ask and I do think that as the Black Man I do think I community something. I I feel that personally. I don't put that on other people but I don't know it. Didn't it sound at least it sounded to me like the gay slurs from the Carolina Panthers sent him over the edge during that football game. I don't think that had anything I I let me say. We didn't talk about that. I I actually didn't even think about it. I think that if anything he's his heard gay slurs so much and again I wanNA make sure that we're very clear saying somebody's gay isn't a slur. Okay like that's not a slur so I think that anything he would have heard at that Carolina game <music>. I think he was well positioned for because of these sides something is perceived because he play a masculine sport like football being labeled that then it becomes for us at such a such interesting topic that you know in this new era. We've tried to really wrap our heads around the idea masculinity nineteen bottom line a highly recommend reading the new sir. Thank you for being here. Fascinating rockets shook N._B._A.. Landscape by trading for Russell Westbrook now Russ joins US former OH casing T. O. K. C. teammate James Harden. It may look good on paper but the two former M._v._p.'s are known for being a ball dominant hardened says everything will be just fine. Take a listen. You have talent like that. It works so you don't know no you communicate you. Go out there and you compete and <hes> position my position you figure things out throughout the course figure things out and what it is you know when you have talent you guys. I queued you got the guys that are willing to sacrifice. It always works well Shannon. Will it work out with these two. Let's give I think that's a two pronged question. I believe that it could possibly work out in the regular season because like you said they do have some Russ. This is an M._v._p.. James Harden's M._v._p.. So you put these two together you might get some some great things happening in the regular season. I don't believe there wouldn't championship but here's the thing was Chris. Paul Dot a great player. Not Maybe not what he wants was but but he was not high basketball I._Q.. What about how James Harden into white our James Harden Gingrich Paul you see what's happening here skip? He fight to get the play the play with these players the thing is is that you look look at James Harden in rust. They do so much of the exact same thing. They need the ball. Let's get to basketball or give Gimme Gimme these guy right here but unfortunately we have one and I think that's going to be the problem. Usually I would say well. You guys sacrificing. Nobody Really Guy 'cause we got guide that a sacrifice yeah P._J.. Tucker going. He was shooting them short corner three regal shoot stand in the corner shoot three eight and play tough tenacious defense on the opposing team best three best to that what he does no problem Glenn Cappelli Union run plays for him. He's a goat run to the rim. Get put back dunk the basketball <music> although draymond green abused him in that so I get that but at the at the end of the day who's going to play off the ball. I don't know how you have two point guards when you only have one ball if Ross going to be willing to play the majority of the time off the ball or James Harden going to be going to be willing to spend the majority of his time off the ball and we saw that work and so I I just I just don't see how this turns into because you make there's moves give this is not about regular season this number fifty five. This is not about sixty wins. This is about winning a title and I do not believe the way this team is configured with those two guys that will happen how you make a lot of powerful points. Conventional Wisdom says you're dead right because James Harden couple years ago set the all time record for usage rate in a season second on that list all time for usage rate in one single season is Russell Westbrook two plus two equals disaster right okay one basketball too high usage rates won't work. I got to tell you the more I think about this. The more I watch what James Harden and listen to what James Harden had to say finally about it the more I like it because we start with the fact these two did grow up together in this league for the first three years and that's crucial to this equation. I'm not sure that James Pushed for Chris Paul. He was open to it but it sounded like it was a daryl morey sort of production to get Chris Paul to Houston Weinstein. They wouldn't have James. I mean he the best player okay. I just never got the feeling that you could be right about this but I never got the feeling he pushed for it but he was receptive. Obviously and then they spent a whole off season a lot of right right up the street here at U._C._l._A.. Trying to figure out how to play together and I thought they did a pretty good job of playing together until they nearly killed each other in the end because they got sick and tired of each other because Chris Paul is difficult to play with and we both concluded he he is a tough teammate to play with you look at his track record everywhere he's been. He's been a tough teammate to correct these two truly like each other. These two have a southern California bond because they're just a year apart and they grew. Grew up through California high school system and they knew of each other in high school then they went their separate separate ways to U._C._l._A. in Arizona State but they do know that back in their third year together in in Oklahoma City when it all started to come together and they wound up in the N._B._A.. Finals James was coming off the bench in averaged seventeen points a game while Russ was averaging twenty four game. They both know that they have each led this league in assists so they're not just pure gunners. Don't they both know how to assist the basketball how to to to deal it. How out to orchestrate don't they both have a feel for that they do but as they led the League in assists the lead at separate okay? I am the ball dominant guy. I determine who gets the ball. James Hart is the same way all right. So what do they share now. They share some shame because they both have gone through epic. Fails sales at the highest level in the brightest harshest spotlights Russ failed miserably in Oklahoma City in James has failed even more miserably in Houston so they pushed to reunite they pushed pushed hard on both ends. Both were were pushing their management. Get us together. Get us back together and I believe that together in Houston under Mike dantonio listen. I don't have a lot of respect for him as an in game strategists motivator vader because I can't even listen to his little chalk talks he gives you during timeouts because it's just silly talk and I don't think they listen to him but when he does film study when he teaches in practice what we can be as an offensive juggernaut I believe he has offensive genius that if they will listen he can figure out how with one basketball to make both of them very stops okay I. It's not listened rose plays. Some defense in James is always always among the league leaders in deflection so he's playing roaming hands on ball defense so again. Are they going to be a great defensive team. They are not they are going to be the clippers. They're not going to be the Clintons but you do have this going for you. You have a left handed James Harden and you have a ball dominant right handed Russell Westbrook so you can attack from left and right and if you are willing because you've been shamed before and postseasons where you have just flamed out on both these if you're willing at this stage of your career to accept we have to sacrifice for each other to have even a chance to win in the postseason. I think great things could happen to this team in a western conference that is wide open job why aging Lebron window at a wide open wide open. It's wide open. Anthony Davis. He's never be about his wildlife is about as wide open the full five at three P._M.. Wide Opening Day. Are you saying the clippers are just going to run away though you know what I'm talking about I don't know what you're talking about. I don't guess what we'll get. We'll get them in the western conference final. It'll be the Clippers Lakers yeah I wouldn't rule Houston out of that ruling them out rolling about really Hobie. That'd be sweet really okay so if you're saying if the Lakers faced the rockets in the postseason they will sweep them. We get a couple of cases on that right he will I want to I want your team because I want. I wanted to be the Lakers clippers. 'cause you gotta root for somebody. You gotta go for why you gotta go king. Maybe I and just be a dispassionate can be objected. We don't do Switzerland up here. They neutral boots. You pick it up. Maybe I'll root for number two wo at the what he he did use birth you said he'll call him number two hollow use after what he did to your spurs at the he used any forgive him what you will turn around and report well against the lesser. He's lesser of evils less than Oh God root for him just because they'd be the better team A._D.. On a mission eighty on a mission is never experienced in kind of pressure like this Paul Djordjevic speeds indicator pressure like this in his life. That's why he stayed in okay see he won't that pressure player would go Jane Yeah what's He got on his side. He's got Pat Bev as you call him. He Dot Lu will as you call him. He's got mantras says you call which one of those guys are the guys that you just mentioned play the N._B._A.. Finals before we got derailed has been trying to those guys Rondo who's a beating the Golden State Warriors twice and Oracle last year in the first round of the playoffs on all of them contributed to this interesting <hes> so so now so pat so I love Pat Beverley either top top five point garden well. He's a top five defending point my top warrior. He might be the best on WHO's the best defensive team in basketball right here right now. It's the clippers by fall okay. I want to know who you're GONNA. Put on that's all I need to know who zoo you love Geilo big where he'll do about that. Big Joe Village Avail Rim running Chevelle only get better. Here's little sample if he just run and protect the real wh- Lebron do for how many games is the Bronco and actually don't worry about it. I what did it tell you say he'll miss somewhere between ten and fifteen games and so all sudden the Lakers become an x factor because I don't know if they'll jell together because it's going to be all new new coach will along will he last last. I don't know we'll golden state. Come back together around Klay Thompson will he be right in March or April light. Look Al Warriors as we know them. We Love them for the last three to five years and that's over that Golden State. This is going to be a different dynamic for the end that brings me back to the Houston Rockets. Who did they lose to acquire? Russell Westbrook helped me out. They lost. Nobody nobody nobody donal. Did you see what draymond did to cling Capella at six foot seven okay. Can you imagine now you're going back to my Goldstar. That's why I'm not writing off golden state but do know every Matab mic guys see Golden State six ten and a half game network right okay and you already know the six foot nine guy he loves wait usually give them a good down like to follow there you have it. They had to start over on space jam W._B._Z.. News director had just start complete- JOZY TACO to he getting begun Taco really tall vegan invited me over yeah family invite Brandon Ingram or Lonzo. Josh Charter will interesting we don't we don't get people to customers saying we're not going to be able to continue what I'm saying. Oh interesting that it worked well. I gotTa Say I think the Rock is going to be way better than you think the rockets are. They have a better record enough. He highly possible highly highly doubt we'll just have to see they know who will have a better record enough broccoli. Luckily Spurs they. They will have better regularly know about that. I know they're going to be shockingly good. You'll be Medi. PAC could put another title on his mentally ended. Keith Thurman undefeated streak with a split decision win on Saturday night. He won he w._B._A.. Super World Welterweight Championship all at the age of forty and skip you were there. How impressive was he? Mr Shaw yes. I must admit I was stunned by what I saw on Saturday night for Manny Pacquiao I did not expect to see that he looked ten years younger a younger than age forty. He was fighting a man who was literally ten years younger and undefeated and that manny looked as quick and powerful and explosive as I've seen him look since pre floyd mayweather fight which was made the second of Twenty fifteen more than four years ago and he was especially explosive in quick with his right hand and he is left handwriting but that little right Jad he put it he put him down in the first round with a little quick flick right. Would you believe that Manny Pacquiao landed eighty two jabs too key Thurmond's eighteen eighty two to eighteen what in to me I was looking at a man who has turned forty back in December December seventeenth who was out of desperation. He has gotten tune into the best shape of his life. I've never seen him in better shape than he was in on Saturday night and I don't know how you get quicker and faster and more explosive at age forty but he had accomplished that again he he gets desperate because he loves to fight he loves to compete. He loves to make money. He gives a lot of his money away in his native Philippines and yet that man was on some new mission I haven't seen before. Four so right as the fight ended from ringside I tweeted floyd would want none of manny right now. Floyd would get hurt and if a week ago you'd asked me about the prospect of manny at forty fighting floyd it forty two in a rematch I would have scoffed if not just outright right laughed at it and now I started thinking because I'm still holding a grudge over what happened I am. I'm just holding on because it sticks in my what happened. I remind everybody before that may second twenty fifteen fight more than four years ago. Manny Pacquiao tore his rotator cuff while sparring about three weeks before the bout he tried to get an injection. They didn't turn in the right paperwork work on that night so he fought with no pain killer in the shoulder he basically fought with one arm and I still believe he beat Floyd to my eye test just because he was the aggressor the whole fight and as we know floyd is want to do and he is the greatest at doing it floyd hit and ran the whole night. That's just to stop the way he does. It's not fun to watch but it is extremely effective but I still thought the only other guy who said it was vander. Holyfield thought manny any deserved to win the fight just on being the aggressor for all twelve rounds so that sticks in my craw to the point that I would love to see manny get a measure of revenge. Unfortunately Floyd is forty two about about to be forty Ingraham February in he's fought. Nobody because I can't count count on is a boxer. You know two years ago skill okay and we have to go clear back to what was it Burto until right in two thousand fifteen yeah it was in September Timbers September and that was it. Yes okay so what what's Floyd. Got Like I have no idea would floyd take this fight. Would he just do it just for the money would they live four cares about more than legacy money. Okay that's nickname amen yeah so if somebody gave him assure him a quarter of a million Neil Floyd mayweather take this fight. Maybe more yeah okay looks can't disagree with you. I thought he looked unbelievable. I thought it was a unanimous decision. I I didn't say I didn't think it was a split decision. I thought he outclassed. He outboxed. He did everything out better than keep Thurman. I was really never ever this is not to take anything away from manny but I always thought that aerospace junior and blood it Crawford with the class of this division now especially aerospace show Biz Junior Sean over there. They're going to get this thing in September before was unbelievable. Skip the his in and out his side to side his speed was there <hes> and when I look when I look at when I looked at him when I'm watching him and I'm saying hold on I remember it twenty seventeen that Karner with catching floor with shots that surely manny could catch him with but I don't believe floor would fight man like he folk Carter because he put his head and his chest says I'm not going anywhere because I don't believe you can get me out of here. I don't believe he'll stand there and try to go toe to toe with manny pack yeah because many pack of boxer he can sit down punches. He can get you out of there. So Florida I believe League would would fight him different they would he fought connor. Let's give this is the Best I've seen many Paki out fighting a very long time. He didn't fight against against Jeff Horn. He didn't fight like he was pathetic. I thought that was the end <music> over exactly he he was. He was special Saturday night. He looked like he looked like many the old not at all manny Pacquiao he looked like the old manny Pacquiao the darting because that's the way he fights he dr are ended up in sometimes that's got knocked out against market did that. He got caught darting in and he called him flush and he don't remember anything after that but he he Thurman. This should have been a unanimous. Not Majority not a split decision a a unanimous decision because he was hitting he was hurting Berman hitting him to the body a thirty year old he he's slipping a hyperbaric chamber for five weeks well. He needed sleep for a whole year. Go the forty. Oh he took wild album put him into retirement. I'm GONNA do him would he did a de la Hoya. I'm going to send him into retirement. He's got t rex songs little little arm the Lord at saying let me tell you what got got. Manny Pacquiao motivated. He knows olds. He can't look at any of the fight if he has any hope any dreams of fighting floyd mayweather right. That's what this is about skip bayless so I think you probably have to fight one of these other guys Spence Junior. My Mike Shaw poured a bug crawling up before before he sees floyd but if somebody say will flow we got three hundred million floyd mayweather. It will start right now. He's still trains. He's still does this thing but blowing may with a little money I don't know if eight about it bothers them on instagram the Graham but he's normally walking around with a million dollars two million dollars and he loves that in some Casino Oh your own his jet and he got like thirty rolexes from the Richard meals to an eighteen million dollar Jacob all that for that skip if you maintain a lifestyle like that it costs money and when you got money going out and floors not currently fighting. You need to have something coming in to fifty three hundred million would just nicely so I was with you. I thought there's no way no ordinary pack yeah wherever fight again been there done that saw it didn't want to see it again but it manny Pacquiao keeps fighting like this in someone GonNa come to the table as they flow. We got a quarter of a bill for you. Lemay would go step back in the ring because I believe two hundred and fifty million three hundred million dollars means more than fifty. How much would it help? If Floyd took one tomato can fight just one opponent of lesser magnitude just just to show you. He can still do it no because it almost be like it almost be like anti Joshua because he took it. What he thought was a tomato cain with yeah because everybody wanted to see him and Dante water? Everybody WanNa see Joshua Dante. I tell you what if it remember. I said that what sugar ray was right here. I think we should wait what happens. If one of these guys lose. It's GONNA lose some of the luster he'd like yeah you're right but I don't think Joshua and Lo and behold what happened. He got sat down <music> so now all of a sudden people aren't clamoring for the Joshua Dante wilder like they were before flawed not taking any fight other than the manny Pacquiao because nobody else can give him. That kind of money ain't doing no five hundred thirty billion dollars. We've bought an exhibition. He pulled some guy in Japan. I think what's give eight million dollars. That lasted like thirty seconds. They do stuff like that. But what a chance that's going to put a blemish on his resume. Can you take it apart like that but he will fight to me so I'm going to do my part floyd. I dare you now to take this man on because you would get hurt. If you tried manny pack yell right here right now. He's gone back in time. You know maybe maybe he has the stomach for because you see it seemed like before he lost his stomach enough with sugar ray told US give sometimes you lose your stomach to hurt somebody. No you can't do that if you hurt business. You can't lose your stomach to try to hurt somebody and get them up out. How do you seem like he's gotten that Gravitas but he's gotten a look back in his ready? Roche was concerned and voiced it publicly before the floyd fight because manny was a born again Christian has he lost his his will to put someone down in that game and that business you have to be willing to put the man her way yes and I think he was trying to put Keith Thurman Away in the first round any got him again in the second round. It looked like he was trying to finish the job. We'll skip he he was ahead on the scorecards go cars and he was trying to finish him in the twelfth round yeah. That's one that he went after him. In the twelfth about man who was the media doesn't sit back like I got this fight run one. I'M GONNA run around and dance all that deal trying to get folks out of it. <hes> is going to be very interesting to see how this plays who can <hes> Bob Arum 'cause many managed by top rank. <hes> who can they put him in there with me but I would not be surprised at some point in twenty twenty. If many wins next fight against one the top tier guys I can see twenty twenty him fighting well if he'd be aerospace. It'd be cool. I'm afraid that would scare floyd off three hundred million dollars going that money. I just remember when we had Mandy on the show right. You know he's talking about is work as editor and how you find the time trying to find time he's you he. I don't know if you can be as him or he convince you that he won the fight against floor. He sincerely believed down that he beat Florida the bike he keeps that he he he would he run. He ran. He didn't WANNA fight. <hes> okay well here. We go so I'm sitting near his wife and mother in they've been through all these wars and Ernestine kept saying my wife Ernestine kept saying look at these mother she's so into like she's fighting. The fight wasn't she's been doing this twenty years and you notice keep Berman. That was the first time he had recently got married. That was the first time that she saw him fighting. I understand you want to see that but come over in the locker room. You gotta get your mind right. He obtained hug and kiss and take a picture. I think he thought he was going to send manny on his way. Okay still many pack yeah. He's the only got one eight eight title the nate different divisions so he's you look only forty years old and okay okay vibration does.

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Surf & Turf Football Podcast Premiere Episode

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Surf & Turf Football Podcast Premiere Episode

"What's up guys. My name is stephen chow and i'm here with super bowl champion willie cologne. Hey this is the surf and turf podcast. It's gonna be a weekly n._f._l. Based show oh that's going to be interviewed heavy. We're going to bring you a lot of stories and uncovering a lot of good material that networks that are kind of in bed with the league aren't going to touch scared attached attached to be exact we got a lot of great guests lined up today. We have ryan clark of e._s._p._n. Superbowl champion ryan clark's it'd be you've seen them on get up. You seem on first take. He gives a lot of great insight from your days playing with them with the steelers. The steelers ravens rivalry. He his best friend sean taylor terrier a lot of good stuff coming up this interview weekly. We're also gonna be diving into a few topics that aren't necessarily as timely is tonight is packers bears. <hes> you know the line is <hes> <hes> three points for the bears. We're not gonna really going into that. We're and we're talking more about <hes> overall themes of the n._f._l. So a few themes emerged in the past few days <hes> you know yesterday yesterday. Zeke elliott was a big story big. He's been a he's been a headline throughout the off season from holding out and wanting to be the highest paid running back in the league with the two years remaining on his deal. Yesterday he got paid. <hes> ninety million dollar deal six year deal which was very long so he's pretty much going to be in dallas throughout his his prime willie. What are your thoughts as a former player having to deal with a guy who's coming off. Campaign is coming to report to practice. You know four four or five days before the first game i think for me is just health. You know what type of condition izzy and we know that he's been out you know trauma training mexico. Oh has he been really training can be very distracted in kabul. If you know from what i hear today very good training facilities in kabul i don't think so but i think running on a beach and and eating <hes> lobster and playing with you know playing volleyball gorgeous women that could be training to. I guess i don't know i don't know his up but i do know from office in line standpoint this team valid. They wanted division asher. They need him. They needed him back in. They don't need him back in clean them back in the building. I like zico elliott. I think the the one reading running headline with him was can you trust yoda understand that you know he was just in trouble for incident outside of thomson and sales security over yeah so jerry felt like his hand was push because they still had two years to two years left on a deal with zeke studied technically didn't have to pay him but i think jerry understood. If you have a happy seeking to build an offense alliance will do just pay allow collins a lot of money. I think he was fifty. Million thirty million five thirty five guaranteed <hes> they've invested a lot in this office online so to get zeke back in the building to compliment. That office line was huge. It just shows you the direction. Jerry wants to go in and i'm not i'm not against it. I'm just cautious because if you think about the rams right they pay todd gurley. I regret that oh big time. You know what i mean. I and i and i just i. I'm worried that jerry's gonna have buyer's remorse. Yeah and that's gonna set back back. That's going to set this this franchise back because now now they don't they only pay they paid zeke but now they took a risk on and risk that some people feel like he didn't deserve right so it's gonna be interesting. How it pans out. It's interesting how history is repeating itself because they had this problem with their version of the triplets tony romo brian and demarco murray you know coming off a rushing title. The question was who are you gonna pay. They chose to let their your star running back. At the time demarco murray go they had mixed success with that. They never fully recovered even though they had you know solid offensive line so i think jerry and steven jones have learned from their mistakes and they're bringing back zeke bringing them into the building. They know a special dak prescott in the last year of his rookie deal not sure what they're gonna do with him yet. You know he's kinda. Middle the road quarterback a guy you can win with. Maybe not because of <hes> so it'll be interesting to see how this kind of works out for them. I think with with their offensive line and their young talent really locking up for almost the next half decade with allen's jail jalen smith the <hes> all these guys <hes> it'll be interesting thing to see you know what they do with the correct position because if they do you know not signed they really have a loaded roster to maybe win with a rookie quarterback so we'll see kind of where they they go the franchise but they are kind of going all in for this year with zeke signing signing the building off the line. It's already. I mean you could push the narrative forward that they've built team around zeke yeah. The question is what happens a deck and to your point. It made a system where you can put a rookie guy in in and you can put the bumpers on them because they off. His alarm has running back. He's going to have a receiver in the mark cooper so if you know this is a big sign. This is like all right well. Maybe aby no my destinations or my time in dallas. Maybe limited yeah <hes>. It'll be a big year for them for sure <hes> so another story. That was pretty topical this week <hes> <hes> you know it's the last weekend before actual games <hes> huge trade <hes> to big trades actually geneva cla- just went to the seahawks put the bigger deal was laremy. Jeremy tunsil left tackle for the miami dolphins traded to the houston texans for two first round picks a second round pick and receiver kenny stills. They got back some very low level. Draft picks a fourth and a sixth and return <hes> willy question for you being a former n._f._l. Offensive lineman laremy tunsil is coming in to learn a completely new offense. He's going to be playing next to titus howard at left guard. Who's a rookie from alabama state scrappy scrappy happy guy but first round pick who has not played left guard before going into new orleans on monday night hostile territory <hes> how what is the learning curve gonna be for laremy tunsil in his development and you know having a to protect the shawn watson well one. You know he could play the position. That's not the question sure question in is how much can retain before it gets live. I think i've had opportunity. I've i've had opportunity to play for. Mike devlin whose office office alarm coach with the texans okay great guy played in the n._f._l. <hes> actually we saw jim kelly's team tanga back back into bill's days and bills running rampant happening. Don't knock it on super bowl doors. Just bring any home sure <hes> but one thing i worry about tons who is can't retain the new verbiage. Can you retain the new knowledge that i play with guys who've been a part of that system and it's hard medicine difficult system will pick up right away most of what you want him to attain happens overall t. as in training camp <hes> now he's playing what one to your point of rookie left guard so that's going to be his first. You're going to have a guy who's played for years. <hes> <hes> miami system now he's down texan <hes> texas and so you talking about thursday night a rookie league rookie left guard a new gyna- system <hes> a guy trying to learn the you know the texans playbook. It's gonna be a lot from so. I think you will be fine. I know mike mike devlin office line. Coach will get him acclimated as fast as you can but it's about him being healthy as well. You know you want this guy because sometimes i know for a fact when you don't when you aren't secure in your knowledge of what you should be doing out there. That's when you get hurt because you're not reacting. You're guessing now you you know you're you're. You're tentative so so hopefully tons of could stay healthy catch up. He can also is going to have to depend on his young kid. I left guard. He's going to have to grow fast so there's a lot of different dynamics that play mm-hmm and let's be honest. He's there because it was a serious need for the texans is now andrew. Luck just hung up because he didn't have office on winning. I stepped into combet helmet so i'm i'm i know tons of will be fine. He's tough enough but i'm worried about. How much can you retain his communication communication with him and his rookie left guard. Any is showing watson's blindside. That's a lot and let's be honest you know if if the texans don't give him an extension sometime during the season he'll he owes texans by the by the nuts because i can say bye bye. This ain't for me and ended up somewhere else. Oh so it's it's a lot of a lot of moving parts but they're trying to build this lineup for shawn watson because they don't want to see happen to him. What happened to angelo up but i if i'm if from towns of right now i have to be extremely extremely patient with myself and that's hard because you want to produce you wanna be wanna be everything that's organization easier to be but you can't can't force it. You've got to trust your instincts. Gonna trust while you're there and let it come through osmosis because i i've seen guys panic under the lights in that crushes the guys confidence and in his belief of what he can really do as a ballplayer and one starts getting muddled. That's when you run into trouble and that's when you lose a guy. That's where it doesn't matter. What guru offs learn 'cause oh she got in your ear. The guy in the helmet doesn't believe in himself. It doesn't feel comfortable about his new position where he's at troubles ahead. How difficult is going to be monday night in the superdome. They're probably let's go to silent counter offense with a new left tackle. Who's been there for a week. <hes> and a rookie left guard like from a player's perspective. I'm you've played in a loud environment environment. How is that going to be even possible well. The problem is everybody's silent. Count as far as from a center standpoint is different right so from because it's is a rhythm thing and in this happens over practice. He's he's probably practiced with the center. I don't know the center for the texas and so you have to use like three or four times right so he's done it dern practice. He's he's done it after practice but it's still different when it's live because your you know your your blood's pumping places rock and who dat nation hungry. They're still upset about the n._f._c. championship so that the place is going to be buzzing for tones of. He's going to have to warn tom himself down and also wants to gain communist left guard down from alabama state who fight never played it in front of that how many people in his life so he's going to have to come into a position where he now is like all right. I'm the. I'm the four pro i gotta act like i got a pro and i gotta make sure my nerves urge to become they'll get the best of me and i have to be able to pay attention because you know the saints are different team at home than they are way. There are a lot faster turf ju- breeze once when he gets into rhythm that could again could be over fast so shawn watson and now offers a line and all is going to be have to be. They're going to have to be combative and they're going to have to stay in the game. It'd be competitive. You know the texas. This is defense. We're holding on but they're gonna have to put some points and they're gonna have to do it by being able to protect the show watson from the human side of it you know the guy got traded. I think it was on monday monday or sunday. How do you deal with that like. Is he looking for a house now like is he living out of a hotel. He's probably staying in a hotel you you accident. If i'm mike devon stay away from the barbecue we need you leann. We don't need you to put on twenty pounds because you landed in texas <hes> but i also i think for him. Also he has to step into this situation especially moving to another city and not be afraid to ask for help you know sometimes you'll have have to trust people in the building. They know where you should be and where you should go use. The resources and i think guys are now. The train is to be so private right. You know you don't want anybody to know what you're doing and how you're going much where you could just fancy car and all this other stuff. I don't want people asking questions if you're new to new city many questions. You can yeah if you if you're going to buy something or you invest in something ask questions. I think some people are so well. I got a team of people that i've been with since my rookie year well well that's fine but they've never lived in houston tax here. You know what i mean so be be open. Be smart. Ask questions meet people in the community. Don't be afraid to to walk through the grocery store. Maybe if you just picking up a bread because sometimes the most people who are most excuse me you're or helpful for to you or people people in community who goes i hey man as laundromat not too far from your your your training. Facility is a grocery store vic. Sometimes the people in the community can help you sure be more efficient efficient. If you want this. Put down you know. Put down the helmet and say you know what i'm just guy. I'm trying to work here some people he's in the south people in this office suite two. That's so interesting just from a fan's perspective think oh. How is he gonna deal you know with the saints is girlfriend was lady can help them but i try to guys is get to meet the people in the community have conversation at the local pizza guy but hey you know how long you been opening when three game losing streak and you walk by place so you're free to the teams really set guys up in that type of manner to succeed off the field where you know they're going to have someone so help you look for an apartment or house or whatever they have real estate guys. They're the team is connected in any facet. You need the problem. A lot of guys don't use resources. They don't trust store this mixed bag but i try to tell a lot of guys in if you step into somebody's what you stepping into new city in a in a new state you know it's it's easy to be shelled clam but that's the opposite you wanna be open. You want people to know that you here for the team. You're in your vest in a brand. You wanna help the team win and you're invested in the community. You'll receive a lot of positive feedback. It's not always fans. Want one one sure that that happens but if you open yourself up and say hey man. I'm just a guy going to do a job. I just wanna work. I'm happy to be here. People were receive you well but if you if you come all you know if you showed up at autograph signings or or charity events and you not signing autographs or u._b._s. Being standoffish you don't want to take pictures to that that trickles people here that you know what this guy and he he took two pitchers and he walked out at the back door wouldn't even wouldn't even take a three year old that gets around and so if your new guidelines either way even if you're in the city right now. Don't be that guy right. Be the guys opening. Take pictures shake hands probably only there for our to the same the same amount of time. You probably spent on tallet looking at instagram. You know you could spend that really just being a nice guy yeah and is being. You know being being a guy that shows people you care. It's an interesting perspective loved here that <hes> so elephant in the room. We want to talk about our podcast surf surf and turf. That's us a lot of people serve turf by a lot of people asking on social media. Why did we come up with his name. <hes> how how does this make any sense to football we can kind of just dive into that really quickly so when we are narrowing down the names we came up with literally list of hundreds of names you. We had a few calls falcon. <hes> we had a few calls. We talked about it a bunch of times. <hes> we narrowed the list down the things that we kind of had in common where the the names that we liked <hes> had something to do with football but also that's something to do with football and i think that pertains to <hes> what type of interviews we have. We want to talk about the guys uh on the field. We also want to talk to him about what they're doing off. The field support a very important whether it's you know helping in their community going to strip clubs that type of thing like we're going to be totally unfiltered totally <hes> raw for the people so i think it's a really positive you know surf you know has many the different connotations. I'm a buck nears fan. You know they're on the gulf coast. <hes> that can kind of be tied in that way you know we're internet company and that type of thing <hes> surf 'n turf kind of premium meal we're going to be living in you guys premium interviews. Yes terp obviously because i spent a long time and n._f._l. With mahan dirt yeah i mean you gotta you gotta ring to show for it and <hes> pretty nice bank account. I'm sure to show for it but we're going to bring you guys. Weekly podcast really hard hitting interviews getting some really good stories again that network's pregame shows aren't gonna touch because they're not able to put because we're barstool sports dude anyway yeah and i think it's important also we try to highlight is to culture to culture in which the ball player has played in <hes> the man inside the helmet and just want to get to know the man sometimes people can't and do that especially when a big lights is on because it's about their brand here when these guys come and sit down chop it up and let's learn something yeah speaking of interviews i mean we got ryan and clark today. Fantastic interview went into great detail about his relationship with sean taylor. <hes> you know <hes> his his time. I'm with the steelers replacing kind of a staple of that chris hope his first encounter with you you know you guys both joined the but it has a little bit a couple of it's a couple of really good stories from that his time in the media now making that transition time. He's doing a great job doing great in the media to big things e._s._p._n. And just kind of <hes> his rise is in that world which i didn't know he's the first active n._f._l. Player to have t._v. Contract which which was <hes> did he sign the same day retired was to be no he was still in <hes> but just a very interesting story there and you know he ends the interview with a great anecdote about him and stephen a smith. Oh now that was juicy and how it almost came to blows a very early on and now there are about that life he is definitely about that life so really looking forward to that and without further ado here's our view with ryan clark uh all right ryan clark in studio for the surf and turf podcasts pro-bowler best known for his time with the pittsburgh steelers for the super bowl champion. You know what i hate about that bro. I ain't talking about that like sometimes i'll be on air and they'll introduce me as a former super bowl champ yeah that doesn't make sense former super bowl ever goes away. That's what makes that's why you win the super bowl champion for life right. You got the ring yes audisaintpaul. There's no format. Do you know i've actually never experienced that. It'll drive you nuts yeah. You're upset about <hes> but thank you for coming in studio today. Willie cologne myself stephen che one. It's kind of go over your story. <hes> kind of what you where you came from your time in the league kind of listen things off the field. Obviously you know you are a big face in media right now so we'd love to your take on things going undrafted. You signed with the giants. What was that process like. Were you expecting to be drafted. What's what was your experience. It was one of those crazy things man you know at the time. I don't think the s._e._c. wasn't pop. What it is now now now now. It was like all right. Let's go to big ten play right. You had all these other places so it wasn't the same but i was an all conference player my junior year we get to my senior year and we weren't as good in the secondary and i remember the first three games. I play really twelve. I didn't do anything i didn't get any interceptions and they make any big place then out and i was like man i you'll never get drafted. Play like this but i came into the season preseason. All americans preseason all i of team s._e._c. and honestly matches pissed on me like try to do too much. I remember saving brought me. Seasons like bro like i've never seen you play this bed. It was like two games like coach me. Neither wanted it to me. Neither not kind of try to explain to them. Why is like we're getting beat donna ceylon. I'm just trying to make a play off like i need to do more and so when it came to the draft process i actually man probably won't get drafted. I probably won't get a chance. I'll try but i wanted to graduate so i stayed in school so whereas all my other teammates went off and trained and did everything everything. I actually got the key to the endorse the indoor facility at l._s._u. And i would just train myself at night and i would <hes> go to the weight room at the finish classes and that was you know my training for the two twenty five. We'll you need a little machine especially that you can pull the weight off but it's still connected were yeah that was my train like legitimately warm up and i go in there and do to twenty-five as many times as i could like four sits right and i had to have it on the laura joint because i i want to follow my neck and somebody to spot me and that was kind of like how 'bout in pro day was cool and acid a draft. I get to calls the new orleans saints the new york giants obviously being a kid from new orleans like shoe. Make sense to go to the saints do make it. I could just stay with mom u._s._a. Stack economical money because you know the odds of sticking in making you being undrafted live and i remember man my first check for signing after taxes was like six hundred and eighty three dollars hong god and i thought i was rich bro made it. I was like you know and then you end up you end up making the team and it's one of those things because i was a good college player and because i had it at times i was highly ranked caidos player and had accolades. I thought i had a chance worked well for me. One thing we have in common besides being former teammates dates in a super bowl champions. <hes> is the fact that we both played in the new york market. <hes> two thousand and three eighteen goes foreign twelve hundred jim fossil that was awful grow. It was awful. It was the word. I don't think people and i i think i because i talk about it enough. Especially being in the market talking about the jets people don't understand how tedious in somewhat mind boggling the new york media is to the hometown team meaning the jets and giants you experience it. You're in a new york market especially with <hes> e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. And everything else talk about your time being on that team that foreign twelve team by the way that had tiki barber that had michael strahan we have you guys had a squad but if you remember that year though quarterback gets hurt <hes> both starting corners the wheels we will peterson. We'll both of those guys get hurt. <hes> we gotta start and save if these sean williams go down and so and so it was one of those years where if go wrong in wages and once those things started happening you could see that coach fossil was just kind of flailing because it's not college right. You don't have eighty five scholarships players. It's not nick sabin where like like dude goes down and you just scoop up another five star the five star from the year before go get it. You didn't have that and so we were just trying to trying to figure it out and it was brutal but it was one of those things to at that time. I wasn't a big enough name. <hes> wasn't a good enough player to a really affected me news. You know like you knew what was going on. What was being said. We knew coach. Fossil will get fired and all of these different things but you really you really didn't fill it unless you one of those guys and by the time the season we have guys says oh. Nobody really got it. He's like yeah. You don't even know your name. Bro some big deal you sure yeah and and it's crazy now being in the national media do realize how different local media is is for all teams local media. Here is brutal. Yes it's it's almost like is a group of unhappy folks. You yeah yeah who all folks who don't wanna see go well because they are out of business about they definitely their their experience is shown so much better. Their experience writing is shown better when it's negative it's positive and so this place is unlike like any in pittsburgh. They wanted to write good. Things does better for dome yeah. They wanted to write good things about you and i've been other places where they were looking for the good looking for the stories that made people feel good about their team and i think maybe there's so much here right whether it's entertainment and you have basketball. There's so many things that are here. It's like i know we don't have to search for good. One of these things will pop in and then low and behold y'all got the knicks so again thank you for ran with us on the inaugural episode of surf and turf. This episode is brought to you by hooters are still bets has launched with hooters today. It's thursday september fifth when this is coming out. Bart's labatt's has launched with hooters who provides an optimal viewing experience for serious fans to watch all the games have fun with the world famous hooters girls stop by your local hooters every monday this football season for some hooters monday night football moneyball answer series of props for your chance to win hooters food food swag cash price even a trip to the big game in february. Get in on the action at hooters moneyball dot com willie. I love me some hooters swings. I'm sure you love yourself some hooters wings <hes> that is a great place to watch the game <hes> who had <hes> mike adams mike adams yes had a uh super bowl party talked about that so a big supporter of the show we appreciate it served podcasts after near new york. You went to washington then. You're a safety. You played with a very prolific safety. That's i'm sean taylor. His career and life obviously cut short. I'd be really interested to hear what your relationship was like with chantal. I know you were you were twenty one in practice in tribute to him but kinda describe that <hes> a guy i mean you know you can ask willie what usually happens is in a lot of times. People think that like receivers are cool with receivers because they're are alike. That's not really true you cool because you spend all the time on you know th there were days. I'd see willy probably maybe fifteen minutes in the morning in a meeting meeting. I'd catch him and we were getting dressed to go to practice and practice running on and off the field as i was changing so you don't necessarily get to spend time with those dues when when you play the same position you're with them all the time every meeting you have during the season. That's the guy you said next you. Every meaningful conversation you we have about football is usually with those people and at the time i got there. I was twenty three twenty four years old. Shaw was twenty one. You know we were the young guys in the room and we were totally different dudes. I was undrafted dude who had just been cut by the giants coach. Tom coughlin said i was too small. Oh and probably will never be physical enough to play. Safety is the price you should check out arena ball in canadian like he told me like try other things coughlin's coughlan and focused on special teams. You know now it's like oh okay you know and so the next year you know you're a washington and i'm a i'm a football junkie right and so i knew who so until it was yeah right you watch him and and then when you when he was he was right then you see him in person and he's actually better you know he's he's actually you you saw some things and he was like man does really good picked right right dry but you know we'll see how it goes on. They get in practice and you get to see them do even more impressive things in practice than other people soon game you know because you see him every day and so watching his do man it it was it was crazy and so we ended up being cool because we started to play together and then once we started to play together he we started to trust me and if you've ever been been around somebody who's had like things go wrong and people turn on him and people bad mouth and and feel misunderstood. They don't just open up why. I'm glad you said that. I think that's important so much talked about you know. There's always that famous highlight. I remember him from the days of the u. I remember in washington. I remember the pro bowl. He knocks the fucking stuffing added up over the hell. It was on new. There's only there's football sean taylor and in ayers sean that that was robbed and shot. There's a big gap. <hes> who will sean taylor off the field you know and that's the thing it was so crazy. Willie our last face to face conversation was the preseason season game the year he passed and we're sitting in the middle of the field and his his his fiancee name was jackie. It was super cool actually named their daughter jackie so we just called her baby jake back and he was talking about how is his life had changed in how he had had given his given his life to kreis he he was being a better father. He was just being a better man being a better person and he's always smiled and when he smiled he looked. He looked like he couldn't see right. He like this is like a little kid right and i was so excited for because i knew what he'd gone through right. I knew that he never had peace. I knew that it it was always something that was always something going on whether it was him being over somebody taking his a._t._v.'s him going to get them back and then him becoming the the person who was blamed the nimh you know portraying themselves as victims so it was all always these other things and had finally stopped right and he was like oh my i was like man finally he's. He's gonna get some peace right. He's gonna just get to be you know the sean i know dudas at his house and he plays madden and falls asleep or he comes over and plays with my little girl because he he didn't have anybody to cook for him at a time so i'll tell ya you know to cook form and i remember the first time the first time you met him. She wasn't there that season because they pick me up and she was pregnant and i was like babe. I don't wanna move you here. We get a house or apartment. Get comfortable and then i'm cut we we gotta go back so she would fly in every other weekend and stay for a few days and he walks out and he's like hi mrs clark and he walks off and so my wife was like who's that and i was like oh yeah that's sean. She goes crazy one but but but that was that was the because if you saw him play football he was. He's a regular maniac ania. He was reckless he would he would hit anybody so then you couple that with some off the field stuff and that was who he became to be but it really wasn't him do was quiet man he it was thoughtful he was kind. Maybe that's just a energy you attract because that's true yeah. That's that's roy. Choi on the field. People think i dated girl one time. No no no bullshit you play for the steelers are my guess. She's like all you played. There's a guy to call the tasmanian devil. I'm like troy and just like yeah. I love that that guy too long hair and her next to and she's like how is he off the field. I'm like why a heel smile. He'll probably decided across a walkway right right right. She's like no. I mike yeah that sean taylor. Those guys are very they were very similar in personality and i don't know if if you can't necessarily be that explosive on sunday and actually speak to people monday through saturday but their personalities were were very were very closely related and and so it was always like i remember and it took me a while to forgive <hes> mike wilpon reichel yes because order yeah because we're when sean past. He basically likened it to well. If you live your life this way this is kind of how you go all right but it but if you know the the story of silence passing he was actually protecting jackie and babies aki right and because of somebody off the field stuff he wasn't allowed to have a weapon to protect it themselves so when he heard the door open he runs to the door with a machete in the guy panics and shoots layer you know and so when and when you're a friend and also at this time because when i just got hospital right when i got my spleen so i was out of hospital a couple of days when i got the call oh that he was that he'd been shot and then they woke me up out of my sleep actually to tell me he passed and so for me. It was one of those situations. This is just like you know like you never ask the question of like you know. Why did i choose to save one. He doesn't chase say like that. It's a hardcore right. That is what it is possible but it does give you a perspective when you were faced with something similar and he does bring you out right and it makes you look get. It makes you look at every day differently especially you win to me right to me. This dude had a lot more and at the time it was all football. I mean you're locked in at this right yeah but but but visit dude had a lot more to offer on his way ahead a lot off of the world to me then i did right and so and so you're sydney like crowd. You know what i mean like how how does how do you make this okay to anybody who cares about him and so that was something that i dealt with you know for for a very long time and it's you know people say stuff like you know. It's not a day go by goes by it. I don't think so but it's really true because my life is football. He was a best friend yeah. So does my my my. My life is football. All your life is football. It's not like i ever turn on a football game or or or think about it. Don't think about how great he was and then right on the side of it. You'd think about how tragic it was not only that he passed willie willie but that people's perception of him is what it is and he never got to change well. That's tough. This is coming off of <hes>. We're taping this right. After the pro football hall of fame weekend with troy paul model pol malo played with sean taylor ed reed was also also just inducted into the hall of fame. Those are arguably the greatest safeties of all time warner percents <hes>. How would you rank those three against each other so oh and so here's the and just as a small world aid grew up proudly twenty minutes from me oh really yeah. He's a florida blue. No everybody thinks that because because he went to miami so he originating from louisiana okay so the guy recruiting the area though was very familiar with louisiana understood it so i would run home every friday night. 'cause i was a decent high school football player and i was like man respect. You know i was like i had two interceptions. You know what i mean and i was like i could. I could could get it done so man. I run home to watch friday night football because friday night football player of the week or they're gonna show the player of the week and i was like i'm for short a player no no question. The mama watched is finished. They ryan on art. You know and it'll be like ed reed. Three interceptions returned for a touchdown also stepped in at quarterback and threw a touchdown god right and and so man he had a teammate at this he added team. You know how it is. When you guys are local. He made a two lane recruiting. There was a running running back at my school. That tulane recruiting coach comes to me look. I know you're not going to lean but going is visit. I think they're going to offer barry. I goes down the street. I could stand hotel to my girlfriend. Lives like this going to be a party so mamy eight or sitting on the back of the bus. We're coming from <hes> a lunch and you know about that young ed reading on screen bus craig beginning of a terrible story yeah so it looks over. Hey man like what school you go to man you can go to l._s._u. And he was like mom. I think go to miami. That's do you think i'm gonna go to l._s._u. And probably like a week later you know we both committed and the story story goes and so it was always cool for me that it play for baltimore when i was in pittsburgh because it was it was one of those things for me. It was like an even when you played the game and and really knows this. It was like you always thought it was going to get a pig. It was ridiculous yeah. It was almost like you need new legs. It was a mistake so we continue to almost factored into the game yeah you did you can have one turnover aid going to pick choice probably going to get one and so for formal right and so you know when this is a question you always get though about troy in ed. I i do think it's an extremely hard question to answer because they're so different you know they're they're. They're so different. I think one is the best free safety. I've ever seen play that's it. I don't think anybody has ever played the middle of the field in the deep part of the field adria just name in what he did. You really couldn't and i don't think i know he wants to coach. He was talking because he coasted with the bills. He's talking about coaching in new england. He's going to screw somebody the body of no honor percents. That's why so. I had a conversation one of my buddies. <hes> brandon newman who i he played bright bright young was a lightsout defensive lineman forget notre dame. Oh yeah <hes> themes isn't he's out of his world but when we when we was the pittsburgh he played for san francisco at the time so brandon was telling me how when brian in retiring. He went back to notre dame coach. He was coach in a d line and how half the room was so fucking puzzled and does brian was like all right. Just get them off. You look gap. Shut it and go to eighteen hundred years not mentioned over three hundred fifty pound bright young was by far the strongest human being. I've ever top-five showing some played played against and brennan was like men. We're sitting near in practice trying to do what he's done or what he what he's done in his past and he goes those dog. We can't do it can't do we can't do it. We understand what he's trying to tell us to do. Physically we can't do it and i think some ball players. Don't get to that point because that's the block walk in a room right all right. I can tell you what to do. If you physically physically can't do it then it's like all right didn't have nothing else to tell you. Well you know and other hard part about it is too vague. Vade don't understand shortcomings either right. You know so so it happens like man. It's like look i want you to. I want you to act like you're confused and go to this hashtag. I want you to speed turn and get around and he's gonna throw the same. You're going to get to the scene from the other hash and it's going to be a pig because if you fake this way new wrong there's no way he's oh yes yeah coz. I get it off saying and so like the other crazy thing like ed is probably along with troy one of the most intelligent people i've ever had football conversation with they just understand it but they also understand it in a different way and i've gone a long way to ask you a question in the sense that i couldn't because i just think they're all three different. What i will say is sean was the most unique talent song was storms. Dave yeah like as far as like high high speed strength because editora- small small small size but sean sean was legit six two he came in he came in one year and he was going through stuff off the field so he came take the sprinters thing like ten forty to ten seconds in between and it was taken off of your like combine appro forty so it had to be pretty close and and he came in and brought to forty five and he ran with omar stoudamire who was odor vit- always and she ripped up ran track in high school rule and he's married is later ran track and i couldn't keep up with them just moving looking at showing a you know kemin working this even doing and it was just natural. He was just better than all of us and he was <hes> gordon david patten one day and david play for the patriots for a long time dave it was fast as all talk about when he ran it was all you saw was knees and going to blur and so you know we get one on ones orange juice like alpha show nocco guard a top four receiver titans and five seven. You gotta get cut you know one right but song was different so as david patten out there showing goes to guard him pressman pressman at the number one position outside the numbers so obviously you know showing seeks to two thirty. David kinda gets a move on him off the line and he hasn't beat right. Mark brunell throws the ball camp so everybody cares about office. Nobody wants face to where it's like. Depressing actually look in other places though you get a pig defense to homey right if we don't play we don't get mad and so showing ruins behind find me catches up with david patten and so the ball is dropped right in perfect and it was the craziest thing so he slit his arms on the side of his helmet and grab the ball over and over and you know and it was when he was a rookie and it was one of those moments oh he's getting our berthier like you see those things and it's something that they do that. We can't i remember asking troy because i was inquisitive and i was like man. You know sometimes choi. Lets me go down and play the box when he thinks he's going to get a pick. Which is the worst thing we gained all weekend. We know like a certain place. Coming and troy are back and i'm like well why i think they bought the total plate bro. I know it's coming to go. Catch it so i'm like man. What makes you blitz in covered three because one. You know that's wrong right. He's no that's wrong. He's like oh yeah. No it's wrong. He's like well are see see if you've talked like that to see if you look at the end of the offensive linemen and then if you see their knuckles there pressing style this is over pro. I can't see all that much less. Just fill it. He's like no r._c. Too many weights you gotta flow like water. I'm not going to get over so i'm gonna live weight and so i think and i never got to have that type of intimate relationship with ed and what he did but i think they were very similar in those are things that you can't teach teach people and and so when you look at those guys i think they they put the safety position to where it is now right. So where a guy you guys get the type of money that they get now is because those dudes. We're able to change games for so long. Safeties were the other position right. You may show people at school long touchdowns. You backed up the linebackers when you had to but now with the game spreading out. I believe that those guys were the they ushered us in and to to this era too where landon collins gets eighty four million or two where earl thomas thomas gets fifty two and tyrod matthew gets fifty fifty two. They're now seeing okay. These guys probably can be actual bigger. Difference makers than corners can't right corners. They stand in one wants biden's. No disrespect you so i think it's the second hardest position far by far left tackle. You know i think that those positions are you win or lose. That's it you you know. I mean everybody knows and so i'm not in any way diminishing what those guys do but it's gotten to now with the limited teaching in college you know college is not the killing killing us right office of lyman. Don't block the way they don't understand football the same way so the ball comes out quick can he comes out in between the numbers and if you have a guy like attire matthew landon collins kevin buyer these dudes can make you money and so those guys i believe are are getting paid because of the aid reads choi palomar losing they played today. You had to pay those dues one hundred million dollars. We both still as a first year yeah so not smash thousand see. I know he was just. I knew he was going to say that bro. Smash jonesboro prep is like willie. What was your first like. You guys. Both can't pissed thousand six. Does your first impression of ryan clark on the field like he's going to bring up the story pro smash crazy man. I'm telling you never finished the game against baltimore. That's true but that's the first thing i'm just tougher than willing you know and he's bigger than me and like louder but i'm just saying a joe louder because he was pretty yeah. Talk a lot but i'm not loud voice carries more than mine. I'm more sochi. Oh quiet storm so like after twelve midnight. It'll be like dr love radio doctor so we're doing goal line right yeah. It toss the ball. I don't a secondary though you tyrone carter was me 'cause. I remember most tight job <hes> to go take me t._c. Ike i is there. It is definitely the shade and troy but troy don't talk so don't come camera. I don't care what can you so man so they pitch it to to willie right and it'll pitcher to me. They basically willie parker and so now willie colo is the leading. He's he's. He's he's now. He's in my the he's in my world right so usually guy one ninety five two hundred now you try to make a little move just keep contained but at this point one they all treat me bad at pittsburgh because everybody wanted chris hope to be legislative. Go ahead finish. Everybody wanted chris hope to be there and like the whole him have been talking. Shit shoot each other prior to this because we're always talking always talking right so really constantly talking like east of barking by this point. He didn't got eight fights because he and fight every practice and i was like you know what so he comes around and now at this point i've decided i don't care about the play. No matter is going to be me smashing with it so as they come around is fast willie parker at fat willie okay. That's the to be whereas whereas comes around so i've got to pick a winner right so i picked big willies over with so man. I come up smashing wom. He basically flips if you could imagine really doing the flip i it's hard to imagine he basically flips okay right and he just falls on his size bloom bloom right. I don't know what happen because right. Now is customer willie out. So what happened is real time. I see my he's. He's one hundred percent correct. He picked one because it's two hundred it's fast willie and his big really i call myself at the time you were. You were so he fucking he sees meek. Thank you tell the difference between ball football players and guys who are worried about the career. He didn't care about his up now. Looking back you worry about yeah you know and he looks square my eyes and as he's taken off midflight and so i'm not wearing my job my fucking i'm going right. Do we know booster. It's clash clash in his full so i go stand up and t._c. Goes ross did he gets you the ryen tarot card it custody yeah so i'm cussing back at our office. Lower coaches russ grimm so the rest is like then actually really. How do we gotta go and walk away. I can hear t._c._u. You show you are so yeah you fat and that was that's how i that's. That was a pittsburgh practice. It was that type intensity was talking when i tell you he's actually right. When i tell you it made me it made me appreciate the steelers more now because i've been a pro practices the intensity and this is like a wednesday it was it was a random it was a it wasn't like nothing that we're really going down the show. It was just us being steelers rain so it's funny that he tells the story because he's one hundred percent right. It was most guys like man. I'm trying to get the training. Indicate aren't trying to former showed up. He was like fuck it. Whatever i will say this though that team and i've been on i play for three different teams is i've been in different places. We cared for each other in a different way and i don't know like i don't know how other people are like and what was crazies. We did nothing purpose purposely to buy. That's one hundred right because it wasn't like it's malicious. If nothing is nothing for willie to hit me up that'd be like are you in new york and i'm like yeah. Can you come through and do this. Yeah like tell me what time right let. Let's try to figure it out. In those kind of relationships we have. I can be honest. Every teammate i play with doesn't have my number or every team on doesn't have a guy that i could save for sure. If i can do something form warm i will now. Usually you do just to be kind break but it's not necessarily things you want to do. In our relationship there was different friend but part of what he's talking about though made us hard to infiltrate in the sense that like if you weren't like us if you didn't fit in from a mentality -ality standpoint from a way we looked at life from a from eleven year brother standpoint like we can rock what you and i and it's obvious like who those those dudes were and never necessarily cause problems but like you could see we were grown. Men don't want to call this cliquish the skilled worker but it was almost like a tribe. The tribe is like you knew who was so davis an offense to face. It's and i think that was one of the things that was extremely unique about that. Team was that we were more like a group of cousins and then the actual organization that's great like <hes> introspective on steelers culture. How did that i mean we talked to a bart scott last week. It was kind of on the other side side of that rivalry. What was it like for. You guys going into ravens week. It was different. You know and we're not played eight us to lie. What do you mean you used to lie because you don't want to hype it up. No i don't know i didn't want them to know that we care. We care like masters. He's like any of the week you wanted us to say. Just you know i just watched a film and i just go out and try to perform. You know we're going to go here. We're going to do our best and then like we get the practical is still whatever willis mcgahee way rice all care real thuggish saying it was his and honestly the most important game of the season when you got the schedule was to always see who you played the week after yeah and and the reason was one you was hurt her yeah you weren't injured but you hurting using with makoto neck down sure that week because you understood and it was was also it was so much energy that winning the plane it was so personal stressful because one i talked about having designed for the game boy you wanna blow him out right ever you wanna go blow him out so that meant. You're one play like sixty plays in the game for us right. You can fifty nine plus. One minus could be some hurt. They hurt you and made you lose the game. It was just stressful like my wife was is all football like she don't care like he knows she said like. I'd be on the ground shop. I get up clark like that's how she was. She's like baltimore. Wheats like it was different. She's i felt different and i and people don't really remember this the like i had that game but lima sweden corey on la. I can't remember his last corey ivy ivy nickelback bro yeah. He thought he was listening nickelback. Your member smoked smoked omagh lime boy llamas we could catch a cold you could see it was it was probably the worst thing i've ever seen any no for bye always open the second third pick out the most athletic receivers like he can do anything on the state open yeah but he throwing the ball. It just went numb necessary roughness. Guess what do you mean is cool but guessing okay but bro. He cr- back on him and i'm talking about crushed him and people don't remember for all the ed reed did did against us. The most feared veered player on the field when the baltimore ravens will defense was hines ward hula. I never seen a like really getting mad. Take so high is like on a stop blocking ads kinda just running on a heinz discards the the stock block and put his rearrange. It was yeah. It was vicious and you would. I it probably in jail. If there's today in a phil jackson plant now he will be useless to have your team can do. They used to have hines a <hes>. I remember one time the we're running down a few and i remember there is a raven chasing the ball and heinz in the middle of the field. I think gets too rosy. It's ray lewis highs turns around with and if that him like this do and these are supposed to be the toughest the baddest. I think this is the land and this little light skinned do with negative muscle you on hi hat no muscle doing a._c._l. He was building a mechanic a car mechanic one hundred not even a good mechanic. You're saying ah duquesne if he cooperated highs was but he was viciously so like when i used to watch those two games and now when i watch football especially because i have a son i kinda like that you do do. They're moving fast and they're hitting and so like like i started to feel it lay my career. Why should preseason games. I believe man these boys running running so fat just sit on the sideline. It look different and watching our offense play the baltimore. Ravens defense like that was a game. You didn't sit down. I go sit down. I get my little. Oh i get my little notes. We talk. I coach done and i go to the end of the field so i can go see what was going on because it was every play count it every play matter added and you didn't want to miss anything so like the patriots like it almost addict like bite my tongue. I guess it'd be by my fingers. There's on twitter sometimes because almost won't be library i didn't i just don't care about the patriots. Thank i care. I just don't like that wasn't that wasn't it wasn't it you know i was like we played that game like we played the other fourteen or other thirteen. I was like but the two again team from baltimore. That's what we worked for that so we practice for so many like eight pains me now that the league has changed so much that fat ah that rivalry isn't important anymore. You know it's it's it's. It's no longer order down yeah. It's no longer historic right because we i used to feel like we all on us and the team in the world felt that way the crazy thing it was going to be on prime time right. They wanted seventy nine for as much as they were finding us. They were promoting day. We were going to try to kill him. The previous that game yeah it was just people going to sleep everywhere. It was hurt show. It was a sleep study what i'm saying hey they had those with asthma pump. Put on the cpa c-pap. Yes it was it was that kind of game and and what was great about it is really can can definitely tell you it was all out of respect yeah like it wasn't like it wasn't like i hated those dude dude i didn't i just knew that if i didn't come with the mentality that it was it was going to be me all the time though yeah all the time and and i knew i brought like i didn't want it to be me right before we dive a little deep with ryan clark. I wanna talk to you guys about roman swipe so most guys have tried different ways to last longer thinking about baseball doesn't always work the folks at roman and on linesmen health company are changing the game with roman swipes they they are the secret to longer-lasting sex. Roman swipes are clinically proven to make you last longer in bed. They're effective easy to use fast acting and do not not require. 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Now it's you know heads up tackling much safer a lot more penalties for helmet-to-helmet that was a hit where you know you knocked him out. He knocked you out balls fold. He did not knock me out. Your knocked yourself out right. Whoa i never would just leave okay but i just couldn't hear and i was like super loving like saving private ryan a moment just hear the buzzing. No that's no bro. It's not like somebody to horn in my ear and now i realize like once i watched it. I realized it was because his face man sitting right here in the sound was so so loud but you know. It's probably like people really hard. There's a lot of the people who who i really smashed. You know that one was one kind of not need it because we was going to win anyway like it was needed needed because it would arrive recalled it was it was the it was the punctuation yes that they're rival rivalry needed and i talked to rich ryan. I know about it all the time. Brian may's like we thought you killed him. He's like he's like it was it was one of the scariest moments i've ever had as a coach the the week before <hes>. We're playing the chargers in the playoffs. They had darren sproles at the time. We're in the same coverage covers to man they moved errands grows over to my side. He runs a little will route catches the ball running away from me score the touchdown but we went in me. We went to open it. Was it was over with john. Go home. <hes> so we get. We're getting that same position. Listen we are in cover four this time not to man and they move willis mcgahee over and i was like they gonna try to do the same same thing because it worked three ball so he comes out so i faked like i'm in the same coverage. I opened my himself like i'm going to the <hes> <hes> to the numbers and when he leaves the backfield i plant my foot in the ground and i just take off running and so new far enough away that i wasn't going to get there first i and so as running toward him is really just situation of like me. Golan yeah like if somebody going flip flinch flinch like that's not my thing and so i just it was it was just one of those moments in time where like it's out out of body in a sense where muscle memory takes over and it's one of those situations where if you aren't that guy that does happen if i'm a different dude on my chops his legs or my slow my feet down a little attack in in wrapping you know but for me it was like i'm not gonna stop until i run through him and then you hit him in all <hes> so you see me like grab. My ear sounds like oh crap is sucks and i was on the ground like three of my closest friends is there at the game and i just remember man after the game is one of them home was mark as washington goes but you want to call me p._i. For so reason because he's calling the private ryan and he's like <hes> one what you mean he's like you gotta i private and that was that was the rival remain and i just remember and like the super bowl like winning. The super bowl was like a relief for me because we were. I felt the best team n._f._l. That year the cardinals were kind of like this wildcard team. That caught fire had we lost the game to them. It would have been just depressing because we year was so so magical in so many ways to lose that super bowl would amend it was for nothing right and there's a picture of me. I'm laying in the confederate baltimore. Three times trump's a year right yeah. Which was that was the week before it was and so and so we lost that game i just don't know if i ever recover hover from it but i remember laying in confetti and you know people run out so you may want to ask you these questions because they want. This is real o. Rien delaying confetti just one super bowl forty three. What are you feel relief. I'm so glad that junk is over here and because like that season once we once we got it rolling. Every week was like a man. Y'all got to do it again. We're so good on defense. We had the worst punter of all time. Great guy greg. I wish nosy is bad so we're not talking shit. I hi to this day believe that we were as good as we were defensively number wise because we always played on a short field yeah because mitch can point out of both i think we just kept because he was like a good luck charm. You know but we have lots of really wanted any day. We lost the best ever lost a person and so men it was just is one of those things that like that. Year was the perfect storm for that team and that story. You know it's it's it's almost it's almost crazy. That tone was actually like mike up for the super bowl. One tone should never be my if you're just going to pick a guy. I don't know who was an emmy like guys over at home santa all right guys. I think homes getting miked up homeless stretch stretch but is is just so crazy how to world war. He's the guy your relationship with if antonio brown we don't have too much but i would love to know how your relationship was when you were teammates like what was good. We had a good relationship man. <hes> we used to watch lou. We actually planned a paid for his first. Two parties <hes> in nome um pittsburgh rajak plan to i plan the second one by herself and we will go on trips. Jack was a winner is the player development guy yup <hes> sleep at the house <hes> yeah we were. I mean we're cool. I didn't i didn't think you know to me. I saw a young dude who had his son by himself. Yeah who was a low draft pick who had been through a lot. It just seemed to me like he was a dude. That was trying to do things you know the right way at first and then toward the time when it was when he started the ball like you could see some changes but like people change right you know a and it wasn't necessarily going for the worst yeah. It wasn't like it was bad. He just like he started to you. Know feelings yeah you start to act like successful. Rich people do sometimes and <hes> you know like i told us throw e._s._p._n. You know he was walking aswan. Give them some money 'cause he deserves it. When you do create a monster and i was right you know and it wasn't necessarily like a minute like some. Things are just fact not necessarily negative. You know what i'm saying like like if you say kobe bryant when he played seemed like an a-hole brian's my favorite basketball player right right. It doesn't make me love them any less. The fact is that is how i perceive it sure you know and that was how i proceed so then when i left oh i was i hadn't left yet. I was a free agent at a year and i was. I was on the executive committee of the n._f._l. P._a. and i wanted people to be able to smoke smoke like i wanted people to baby us like most players do yeah i wanted to be able to smoke and crazy thing is i don't smoke. I still don't smoke then. I don't smoke now pill but i understood that people did and also understood it didn't make them bad people and didn't make him bad teammates rather use it on your sofa because as you feel at peace your injuries don't hurt you as much today. You have a way to kind of get away from it. All you not stress the need to be taken opiates and drinking. Absolutely that was my thing and so i went on t._v. And they asked him he was like you know. Do you know any players. Have you ever played anybody. They use marijuana right. Yeah like thank you know and i've been on three teams at the time scherf and then he was like you know ryan clark's bidder because we don't want him and this and that and to me. I was like whoa. I'm not bitter. I don't care i was like i'm just trying to help your boys. Whoever wants to stop suspended not getting to spend money and so like that was that and so what what transpired from antonio's and my relationship when we played was this how how it affects me in the media with him. I don't go to the lintz. I normally go to protect the people i know okay so now i i still do right because people know that we kind of have a thing. I somehow get all of the bull corn that he goes through her life. People call me about <hes>. I'm not talking about that. That ain't got nothing to do with what's going on in football night talking about. I don't care like it's not my business and so like i still like. I'm never going to do that but there. There are some people that i have some feelings about that if i know them. I'll just call him and say hey man. This is what i feel. What are you okay with me saying sure and they might do the conversation. Explain something to me. That makes me say oh well. That's why you did it like. I get it right interpret. You know like i've had conversations stations. You know with odell like we've talked and it gives me greater insight. Would i get an opportunity to speak about him on t._v. I don't because of our relationship uh. I don't have a relationship with antonio i can have that conversation so those thoughts that i would call them and be like hey tone this feeling bro. Which was you think about that. We we don't have that type of relationship. He doesn't want that type of relations alter media so it goes through the media and now instead of me like okay. I'm going to soften often my stance or not gonna tell this story that is pertinent to the conversation. I just tell them and which is your job right and i think people when he gets. He's been upset about it. He challenged me to a fight thrown down. You know at super bowl and i think you know and and woods crazy is is like when they see us on tv. They actually forget who we are. <hes> you know yeah <hes> bottle right there. Anybody who knows me who actually knows me knows that that sweet scares me nine. You know that it wasn't going to be home. I couldn't he's not you know by. If you wanna go to like if you want to make that happen cool and what was crazy about it the next day right all blows it like it all all over the place it was this is crazy. It wasn't a big deal to me until i walk in because we have to dry off. He was there. I was supposed to be there and my boss goes from e._s._p._n. They'll fight him. Really you can't do that. Oh like oh. No i'm here. I would never do that here. Hardee's uh-huh let me know light. Oh crab people think this is rent deal and it was and and so i went on i take the knicks jay which you know what i take is. I showed us like we want to smoke. We wanted to know what i'm saying so i'm going on and and you know i get the email and then you know part of the emails i we're going to ask you about the antonio brown's data so now had had a decision to make right. 'cause you're going on on a show tests like aurora right. You know what i'm saying spencer with steven a. and so you going on that show but i had soooo and i'm sorry it's taken so long ahead to make a decision right because the differences remember derek carr challenged those guys if he does reckless russia so derek carr and stephen smith are not going to have a cage yeah ever has not gonna have hard really wanna caged right steven a. for doing right <hes>. I am not egotistical enough to believe that in tonio brown would not fight me if he had a chance i believe he would. I would like i capable. Do your passes to being around him. I told stephen that too. I was like the kid says it but i've seen him scrappy with j._f._k. Scary scary out and so and so on the other side of that. I also knew i'd fight him too right. So so that-that's ah that's different than we're going to go make tv fun about derek carr offering a cage and two dudes who are predisposed we dispose violence right actually seen each other somewhere right and so my decision was to be an dope and b both have kids both our fathers yeah. I got china twenty euro note. I'm saying and so you know. I was like well in like everybody who knows me. I was like yeah if that has to happen. I should have handled it differently what i mean by that. Is you know how we were willie. I'm gonna address you. In the form of address meal right it ain't the mirror right eighty commenced england beat that you address on twitter and then i find a way through the back alleys to talk to so you about it now. Keep keep it in the mood of the rain but looking back on it. I shouldn't have that shouldn't have been something i involved the world and i said it on. I take like i would have rather he not told me and we just saw each other and he'd be like she was talking about it right and you see about it and everybody goes on his over at that point. It's over right and so i take like i had to just be honest with people and be lion about to be forty right and and what i said i felt my reply was was my true feelings but that doesn't make it right you you know like if i was truly just doing my job which are worse. I didn't have to be quote unquote manley enough to accept his challenge reality right and i had to understand that because we have a previous relationship regardless of if their relationship is good there will be a sense of if this guy knows me and should protect me sure in when that doesn't happen and there is a there's a hurt that goes along with that subconscious that i don't think you'd notice right. It's not like amount to r._m._c. did it but it touches you in a different way if willie colognes talking about me and he's never met me. I think he's a fool he's stupid. He don't know me but when somebody knows you and has auditory it touches you deeper and i head to realize that when i'm saying things about him and because it was players in general because it because it was about yeah there's <hes> and i only say that because i remember when you started making the transition to the media and you started getting more air time you started becoming the new darling <hes> there were people like oh watch out watch r._c. Like you know people like two meals like. I never looked at you from a standpoint like i need to watch how i talk to. You like one hundred percent like when i see you i see family. I don't see i don't see the suit glam always data changes ages though right because like the especially to willie that like the father we get away from it. People forget we did it. You see what i'm saying and and and and like that's the that's the hard part for instance we were on today. We were talking about tom. Brady you know and i was like i in no. It does not actually make me physically ill to allies in doing what i'm saying. I'm playing up angle say like the the statement basically is you know. I think tom brady should have been the highest paid player of all time. I don't think anybody scoffs at yeah. You know that was the statement now. Ally is so obviously the comparison is well. I think he should have made more money than eli. That's all i'm saying. Put them on tv tv and you can't say that boring because entertainment i want you yeah. It's entertaining show up the end so it's crazy like people are like <hes> comment like man you count in his pockets and i can't say that it bothers me but i don't want that perception of me. Because just this morning i was asked to do a list that would be the most underrated players and overrated or underpay an overpaid and i was like y'all got to change the name i was like because i want a don't want to say a guy necessarily overrated right. Damn sure don't say overpaid and i said i definitely don't want to say he's overpaid like i don't wanna count his pockets and this is a conversation i i literally had yesterday morning and this morning and then now because i make a joke about being physically ill about allies money. People like dobie count his pockets and it don't hurt my feelings. I don't know these folks but i'm my thought is day. I don't want to think i'm calling calling pockets. You know that's kind of unwritten a long ball by do's pockets however it works out. It works out right long my name your name is good and we could see so and so like that's the i'll be honest like that's that's the hard part of doing this job in the horror part of of getting away from playing because sometimes you get caught in situations where you say things in your entertaining necessarily mean in like that like i don't care if eli make four hundred million. Don't make your opinion. It'll make my house smaller bigger. Don't make you shit right but but you know but the thing see you should have said something else. You don't like that. It's kind of like that's kind hi to of of where we end up when like you really played last question just because <hes> you know you do work <hes> <hes> you know for e._s._p._n. With a lot of big personalities appear pretty close a stephen a smith <hes> he is just you know on another planet as far as <hes> personalities <hes> give us kind of a really good steven a. anecdotal story about <hes> his personal tried to fight him real like real lifelike flake more so than a. b. or derek carr even trying to find the same as a b. Find me i'm. I'm very different yeah right so so really kind of mentioned when i started doing t._v. So i was the first ever like active football player have t._v. Contract to yeah which is crazy because i that was a very good player but i wasn't great. I was going to the hall of fame but that was also the reason i did it. I was like let me start now so i don't have to fight other eighty ballplayer to listen. It is start while you're playing yeah and so you know and i got in pittsburgh. I got flag four because it's pittsburgh and i was like you should only do football. I was like if i was a contractor. I i would say that okay so lemme have alone <hes> and so man. Do you remember i had the athletes versus players thing. I mean versus t._v. Personalities yeah that's win win like richard sherman toe skip bayless. I'm better at all yeah and so steven a. like the date like the week before i go on stephen talks about like guys not having degrees. They want my job but they can't do it. Goes off about how bracingly athletes are done right so like my major was mascot mass communications. I have a degree in communications and so when i go on life soon got a degree in communications. I was like i can talk like i can do this. I was i am my hair line. Any pushback you know what i'm saying man and so like i leave he comes back the next show and like while i was there skip was kind of cool about not really saying anything and he's set me up for when stephen can come there and talk about it for twenty minutes. He's like we were really good at the time i'll care when the steelers are relevant and this and this and that net that which is fine like bourbon tova four three the last four years. We're always played at the table and he was like he was like an. I know where to find. You and you know i'll go to any locker room and say this is that because he was you know he was saying from a reporter standpoint that he's not scared to back up his words. In a sense of i say what i say and i'll see it anywhere cool and then at the end he goes and ask for anything else. Ryan clark knows that he can kiss right and willie's been around me a long time like i don't really curse yeah even here like there's many times like curse words fit into what i wanted to say and it was like quotes right. I just won't sale like it's very rare for for like a curse word should be used when you need it sure right and so to me that was like oh. He would say kisses a s if he wasn't on on t._v. Right right and to me is oh. He wants to fight me like that's how my mind works because if i cuss you like that i wanna fight there's no inbetween and so his at the time galen gordon <hes> he's a n._f._l. Network now he was the producer steven really tight and he he was having an event in new orleans that he invited me to naming stephen. It was tight so a call g. I say man i'm gonna beat emma ma and he's like laughing ours. Offsite auburn is about to go like i am dead syria. I said and the reason i called you. You was either. You're going to have to cancel your event clear the table. He's gonna be shit. Yeah i was <hes>. He told me i like he. I know what you know. I i know what i could kiss like okay but that's kind of like my point in saying like people forget like all he ever news every time he saw me. I was in a suit and i spoke certain way in these different things adult right like they they get that confused and so man. I'm going to get something to eat. Then i am a phone rings and i don't know the number and who's stephen a smith and so i think he says man he's like. I apologize for what i said. That was disrespectful and honestly like would a do like me. We like we ended up talking about hour and a half bow to do like me. Conversation could have been over yeah right. That was enough you you got on the phone you under stu stew trip. You understood what i had a problem with and now we're good i mean we ended up talking for for a long long time. Just about i'm alive i started like about being black and being in the business media like and there were things that he said to me that they own a phone that a conversation i was really you know born out of like an issue right. Born out of resentment really became far as like media goes probably one of the more helpful conversations. I've ever had just about about how to move how you're seeing. How how oh you have the represent how people that look like us. Expect us to treat and talk about them. It was just it was a conversation that they i don't need it to have to one hundred. They don't teach it to you at school. You don't do n._f._l. Bouquet you don't like it was it was legit a conversation of decades decades of experience and so like kind of having like having you know talk it it turned into do a relationship of respect when i respected him in the way he handled it analyzed also now knew that i was probably crazy so like what's in in in so now that he sees how much i actually respect the job yeah like how hard work at it and that's part of it to do. You are just doing this the percents he respected his craft. He's been part of it yet decorated. He's now. He's this is his next so now that he sees how i'll work like he's the most helpful fu they're to me like honestly love to hear. He's you know he's not one of those dues like i'm here and i got it. I don't want nobody else to get here and get it. Interesting is like there's enough space for all of us in our community which doesn't have rabbit crab baron crabbing a barrel because for a long time athletes focus because for a long time we have been made to feel or we've made ourselves feel like there isn't enough spots you know and so i think that's something in that. Each man has to be conscious about fixing but the way that that is fixed is stephen. Does it for ryan clark art right now ryan clark who's working get up with emmanuel acho eight man. You gotta do this or may ask him. Can you do this ask him. Can you do this because i know this is. How i came came up and i see a lot of a lot of things that you can work this way and like that's how it continues to happen because like that don't happen split leaving does it for me. Maybe i feel like oh. Hey maybe we don't tell people in this business the flip side of that then you shy away from trusting stephen as you get on air or maybe backstage melt buildup moham- being a credit being a man. Let listen. I went went over the line. Let me let's just wrap and you guys wrapping now. You guys are not on licenses but now he's. I just don't maybe a mentor to you know he. He says he likes taught me on t._v. Anytime i say something good he's like no. I'm the. I'm the mit student hey we gotta stephen and uh-huh. You're older than me. I get it. I wanna say this <hes> and i i mean i know we've talked a lot of stable football. We talk a lot about you. <hes> i've always admired you. You've people take because you're skinny and wear nice suits. They smile. You are so a bully an asshole but you are. You are honestly family to me. I mean i don't follow. Many people's lives on straight talk but a lot of guys. Do it'd be you follow. My wife be careful. Janka is fan. Even i mean time since jordan locker room. I've always seen him as nephew. I've always seen family are sees always amid a bully that i've actually liked and love 'cause you're just like is sure that i'll take that thank you but i also say you have done an amazing job and i and we have tried to barca's actually works at being better. You have actually carved elaine for guys who are black opinionated and came. I'm back up their mouth day man. You don't run run from the times because we live in a social media world. What people are afraid of twitter because of what the backlashes you stand up. You're educated your polish and you are example for me and a lot of other guys who want to make an example and carved their own niche edge without being the norm so i want to say that from the bottom of heart thank you. I'm in love you deaf anytime phone. Region name shows up. I actually the term wife. I'm gonna hey ryan called my wife's. Only matt ryan wants to see a cool is geez though he's from mississippi ryan. There's a relationship there so i just i just want to let you know he really means a lot to man. This is actually a different a different type of platform and we'll take us out bro yeah yeah thank you ryan clark for coming here. Pro bowler super bowl champion always still do right and superbowl champion ryan clark appreciate you being here. Servant served podcast all right willie. That was our interview with your former teammate super bowl champion ryan clark. How do you think that when it it went well man. I think it's important to you know we we highlighted how we wanted to get underneath the helmet and really get to know the man and everything he's been through ryan has been through so much talking about all being a guy who's looked over <hes> you talk about a guy who was cut from the giant land it with the steelers had to prove himself to a championship outfit and become a staple part of that outfit <hes> also you know really deal with two things that can sometimes played a man's character in his in his spirit here one losing one of his best friends in sean taylor and to <hes> almost losing his life because of sickle cell yeah <hes> so he's dealt with a lot. I think the fact that he's here. You're vibrant. Strong has beautiful son who's now playing for arizona state. <hes> would herm edwards and on top of that. He's kicking a lot ass and e._s._p._n. China china when you when you think about get up on the shows that he he's on he stands out so the man is resilient you his story is one of perseverance and i like the fact that you know impair. We believe in bully ball. He still has a bully spirit <hes> and so i love everything about that and <hes> i'm really happy and in excited that he was able to join us. What about the interview was when you see him on t._v. Like he is that like loud brash persona. He's unfiltered if you like even in this environment if it's possible he was more unfiltered because he didn't really have the restrictions of cable but he was just kind of a real dude like dave some great stories. I love the story with you and him kind of meeting. At the goal line in practice in two thousand six rose great story <hes> and just kind of him replacing chris hope kind of like that <hes> staple of their defense that had been with all the guys. It's just such a relatable situation for anyone going to you know not not even new football team but just a new job or a new school where you kind of struggle to fit in and he kind of had those issues as well in pittsburgh is just very interesting seeing his side side of the story from that from being the outcast being the new kids all of a sudden kind of being part of like you said that tribe it is try because you figure when he landed in pittsburgh piss were had just be to seattle seahawks in detroit <hes> that was your own businesses last game so if you're thinking about your new guy you're not gonna do this whole whole band of brothers because the the football band of brothers is a brotherhood <hes> but it's still cliqueish within net and the defense in pittsburgh very cliquish but it's just one big click so here's this new guy knocking on the door to say hey. I'm down with you guys. I'm ready ready to ride ready to be everything you need me to be an l. a. and you hear straight silence right and that could be so intimidating because everybody into your point no matter if you're applying for the job you want to be liked that you're able to do your job and that you're reliable and you're you you know if if your number's called bacon count on you he had to prove that and by the way he had just been cut yeah so it's it's it can be it can be it can be mentally tasking but <hes> he showed that he was. He's you know he's ready for the job. Oh by the way he played next toured bottom all his his insight with just having kind of not necessarily played with them but like been aware of ed reed there from you know <hes> around <hes> grew up near each other high school. You know he played with sean taylor. Who was his best friend with his untimely passing and then he played with troy palmolive just having taking a look at the golden age really is yes. He's really at the epicenter of that because he has experienced with each and every one of those guys all great so famous so very interesting insight. We really hope you guys enjoyed it. The first episode of surf inter interfere gimme good breeding and guys weekly episodes like this all year. Every thursday can't wait to continue this journey with you for steven shay. This is super bowl champion willie cologne see next as time were out surfing turf <music> <music>.

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REShow: Joel Klatt, Eddie George, and Trey Wingo. Hour 2 (04-26-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Joel Klatt, Eddie George, and Trey Wingo. Hour 2 (04-26-19)

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Sorry for all the numbers and in five four three two one amount of time. All right hour, number two of the rich Eisen show on the air. We're live in the courtyard Nashville downtown if you're in the area come on by because we've got George about the join us on the show. We also have Trey wingo of ESPN making his way here. And also Taylor Lewan of the Tennessee titans will be joining us all our number three. It's going to be great time with him. But I turned to my right right now. And our first in studio guests the days of a man who I'll be spending a lot of time with tonight on the NFL network set, and it is a part of our continuing partnership with Fox Sports he is one of the best analysts in the game. And also as I mentioned earlier this week one of the voices of my annual November misery every now, and then Joel Klatt at the last two years. Yes, you're right. But it's it's good to be gently you've broken to gently all those years. Listen, I thought that they had a good shot this year, and I was even wrong about that partly because of last night's fifteenth pick because he was brilliant. You know? And it was funny last night with David Shaw talking about how brilliant he doing Haskins was in the Maryland gain. We were talking about the fact that he's gonna play well, not in Maryland, but Virginia playing in the mid Atlantic where he played his high school ball. And I told him I Mike thanks for bringing up the Maryland game and not the game. After that. Exactly. Why? I mean, he was he was actually committed to Maryland. And then there were some things that happened where all the sudden Ohio State had a spot opened up. And then he committed to hire state after that. But real quick I want to go back to that. Because you bring up the start with Dwayne housing. If you go rhino, please. We haven't really hit it. Here's why I'm surprised he fell is. Because for me trajectory of a player has a big. Value proposition. If I'm gonna value a kid, I want if you've played for three years. There's a good chance you're probably just going to get a little bit better. If you've played for one year, and I'm seeing growth throughout the year. I can at least project out that you're gonna have a pretty substantial growth pattern for the first two three years of your NFL career. Well, that's exactly what I saw from Dwayne Haskins. I saw him as the backup when he came in down six in the big house. He leads them back to victory in a really brilliant second-half after J T Barrett got injured then he's the starting quarterback and their team kinda hits this wall when they lose Nick Boza to the injury. And then all of a sudden urban Meyer had a conversation with them before that Maryland game that you were talking about any brought up Kobe Bryant, and how Kobe Bryant was assertive both vocally and physically as the leader. And then Dwayne took that to heart and rich in that game against Maryland. Russia's for three touchdowns really put the buckeyes on his back. And we'll them to victory and then there was no quarterback in the country. Even Kyle Murray to Tunga via Loa, no quarterback in the country. Played better owners last four games than Dwayne Haskins. He was the best quarterback of the I would call the top two round guys in this draft. When it comes to playing against top twenty five defenses in college and yards per play his assistant were through the roof. So I'm shocked that he fell to Washington, but Washington has got to be elated value at fifteen and a good good kid too. Who knows the area and and the the connections with Kevin O'Connell right from obviously formerly of the jet staff and he goes forty Niners. He was under Ryan day when Ryan day was with the forty nine so that makes sense right there. And now also twice a year. He'll be going against the giants team who went in another direction, and that was one of the videos tonight that that went viral last night that went viral was him looking on his phone when Daniel Jones was named Florida's like shaking his head. Shake the heads the quick shake of the head a little more than that. All right. Let's get a little more than a shake and ahead. Oh my goodness. I thought that the New York Giants had disastrous night last night disastrous. And I think it might take years to recover cute. Yeah. There's no doubt about you cannot miss when you've got the opportunity to have two first round picks. When you're drafting quarterbacks wire, why are the Denver Broncos in the state that they are because they've missed on quarterbacks in the first round they had to go get Peyton Manning. He recovered them brought him a Super Bowl and Super Bowl fifty. But they're not what they have been historically because they have missed on first round quarterbacks. I hope Daniel Jones has a lot of success for giants fan sakes for his sake. But the fact of the matter is every single one of the giants three picks last night. They overvalued that player by Atta minimum ten spots. That is that's a disaster just from value proposition. They could have gotten a Pro Bowl defensive player next year at six gotten. Daniel Jones at seventeen gotten Dexter Lawrence at thirty seven tonight because Lawrence would've still been available, and they didn't need the trade up to get a corner because everybody in the league had corners rated differently. If you ask twenty general managers in the league rate the top five corners, you're going to get twenty five or twenty different top fives. So all of a sudden, they trade up to get less. I liked the Andre Baker. He's he's a really good player. He was overvalued at that spot. So I don't know what they've Gettleman is doing he clearly stuck to his board. But I think ultimately it's going to bite them in the future. Okay. Well, I'll give you the flip side of that. Okay. I heard the Rams loved the Andre Baker to the point where they traded out of right away. Yellen. Baker went off the board because the giants traded up before because someone was going to take right? So the I think the Rams would have jumped on him at at at thirty one. So there's that obviously Dexter Lawrence's. If you say he would have been available tonight. I mean, there was a run on defensive tackles just an absolute flat out Clemson defense. They were worried about the chargers the down a little bit lower. They are worried about Tennessee. Those two teams ended up taking defensive tackles won the troubled, Geoffrey, Geoffrey Simmons from Mississippi State chargers took Jerry Tillery. So that's. Flipside on that one hundred percent then in the sixteen years that I've done this now with the NFL network and fifteen with just the draft alone. All I hear from evaluators, and I'm sure you would agree with this. If you love the quarterback, it doesn't matter where you take you take him. And you heard what Gettleman said he he's he had them in. Hello at the at the at the senior bowl the safe pick. I talked about it matter. So in the college game to understand see in the NFL, the margin between average players and great players is very small very small average teams in great teams, very small. Everything's a one one possession game. Right. I mean, everything's kind of the same the NFL. It is the exact opposite in the college game. You can put up monster numbers against terrible teams. And so I always separate out. What do you do against quality opponents in a what do you do when it's a like opponent when things are difficult on you? So that's why I brought up the stat about Dwayne Haskins against top twenty five yards per play defenses. He played five of those games last year. He was sixty two percent around three hundred yards. Fifteen touchdowns one interception. Best of anybody in the in the top two rounds as far as quarterbacks go. Meanwhile, Daniel Jones was last on that list of any of the quarterbacks that. Had rated for the top two rounds. Fifty nine percent barely two hundred and thirty yards five touchdowns three interceptions with a rating just above one hundred. So for me that matters. Now, you can also say Haskins had a better supporting cast, and I totally agree with that. I hope Daniel Jones has a lot of success, but managed just felt like a giant reach for me based on what was happening at the college level in particular against quality opponents who did you like last night that value in that tech? Like boy that was a great spot right there. What would it be Alan would have been off the board Jacksonville? And I thought Josh Allen was the pick. I thought at all would have been a terrific pick two or Bush. You know, I feel about him Steeler fans are fired. They should be upright. Now, they had such a clear plan last night. They had two guys targeted Devon white. Or Devon Bush believed that they were building for their division. There's some strong running. Games in that division. You've got the running backs for Cleveland. You gotta Lamar Jackson. I mean, you've got to have a linebacker that can cover space tackle well. And it's difficult always to talk about the football ramifications of the Ryan shazier in genetic right of how significant the injury was. But if we can put that aside and just talk about how it affected the defense, it immeasurably and Devin Bush could return that sideline to sideline domination the two that defense right there and. Fits with cities fan bases and coaching staff that one felt like an immediate fit his emotional kind of playing mentality. I think fits in Pittsburgh, they're gonna love him. He's going to get that stadium going when he walks out there. So I know I'm by Lord on owned by it. So it win which who's from the area. Strength who's available tonight. He is available tonight. He's still out there tonight. I don't know again dating Browns defense. It kinda works for much of the time rather than anything else. And I love Christian Wilkins. Obviously to my great pick wasn't it. That was a good one. Also. And then Denver getting Noah Fant at twenty after moving down from ten was nice with some extra picks. So yeah, I I like that one as well. And I want to go back to Wilkins. It if Miami I think Miami might be the only trait suitor for Rosen this point. But if you're sitting there from their perspective, they could walk out of this draft having not given a first rounder for Josh Rosen. Maybe even getting away with giving a late second or even next year second and they got Christian Wilkins. They would have to be thrilled paying Josh Rosen. Six million over three years you get Wilkins. You'd all the sudden have to look at Miami. Boy, you'd say clearly there they are on that long road. Exactly what the the contract for their coach all of those things Miami. Could after tonight be looking really good. Oh, cloudy. On the rich Eisen show. I just don't see anybody coughing that type of value for Rosen up, and it has nothing to do with Rosen's ability. There's no reason to give to this year next year three even right now because the cardinals what are they gonna do? They really going to have two young kids like that. They've been the same. Same same room. How can they do that? While the that's why there's no market. I thought that he should have been traded maybe even before free agency. Yeah. You know, I thought that that that's when you are going to get the most value for Josh Ross there. They did have a couple of offers of firm seconds. And they didn't take them. They wanted to I well the only danger in that. And we talked about putting the headsets on is that Murray's baseball. Yes, was always the if that even even hours before they made him the first overall selection the highest honor, you could give a college athlete is your first overall in the NFL, they're still trying to figure out language the just in case. Yes. So you can't pull the trigger on something in February. So here's the rock in a hard place. They were in if you did pull the trigger in February. Now Murray's got you over a barrel. And I mean, he can he can demand whatever he wants because you are totally up a creek without a paddle. If you don't make the move in February, and you wait until last night, and you hope that the market materializes after you. Make the pick. And it doesn't you're dead. That's why we all on its. Gone evaporate. I think this is exactly what's happened before. I let you go. What do you think? What do you think we're seeing tonight run on defensive backs? What do you think happened corners? I think we're gonna see a lot of corners in particular in the second round. I think we're gonna see a lot of wide receivers. Exactly what we didn't see in the first round, right? Which was those skill position players. We had marquees Brown and Aqeel Harry. But I think you're going to start to see maybe five six wide receivers gets swiped off the board. And then I think that you're going to see fairly early. You're going to see a drew lock or a will Greer because those two guys were evaluated pretty high. But there were some questions, but at this point now, you feel like it's good value for the long run, maybe a backup role for the first couple of years in a long-term starter for you. So I think those skill position players on offense and skill position players on defense. I think we're gonna see a pretty good run since we've last one since we've been questioning Steve acumen. Let's do a masala. Would you give up? A two tonight for Rosen is opposed or lock. I would now I'm a big believer in Rosen. I would have had him like one a one b with Cuyler in this draft. So I was surprised that a trade didn't take take place. The contract is super friendly. I would. I would absolutely flip AirAsia because again, it's the same mantra you can say well, the giants really make a mistake if they really got their guy. Well, if Rosen you think you're going to be the guy doesn't give I I mean, who cares. You know? I love I love everything that you do Joel I tell every single time. She tonight's going to be fun tonight. Really great yet you and Daniel Jeremiah me and Charles Davis at seven eastern time on the NFL network. Joel Klatt who does a great job with Gus one time, you're gonna come on the show, and you, and I are just going to here Gus stories from your mouth, that's all I want that maybe maybe sometime in like June. When we're when you're just showing I would love to tell you the story of how Hollywood Brown became Hollywood Brown. It's epic. Okay. This is this is what we call the tease right now. I know the fans want it, right? We've got George call. That's called a tease leave you wanting more. But again, maybe this summer when the NFL Hayes in the barn. Yeah. Not yet. Getting on the road. Obviously for college football. Yes. Just straight income in just tell me Gus store. I would love to all right at Joel Klatt on Twitter. Joel underscore Klatt on Instagram tonight. Seventy time catch me and Joel and the rest of the NFL network crew at work Eddie, George is going to be joining us next here. Live in Nashville on the rich Eisen show. Every car comes with its share of stories that ding in your bumper. 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And the two thousand nine thousand nine hundred fell draft the Washington Redskins select Dwayne Haskins quarterback. To be honest. I'm more motivated and not ever bigger tip mush shoulder lead. A messed up and blessed by God with my family my down the street. And so we won't do it. Right. This time so crazy. Wow. Well, there you go that is Dwayne Haskins last night being drafted by by Washington. Whereas he said just down the street, and he is pissed off coming into the National Football League. And from also the Ohio State University, one of only thirty one people to ever walk the planet with at least ten thousand yards rushing in the National Football League from right here in Nashville, Tennessee. Yes, sir. Very popular here in this town at very popular this a little bit. So I mean, you you sat down you asked me what I thought about Nashville for the draft. And I'll repeat it right here. Not only has Nashville knocked it out of the park. But Nashville has definitely changed the way the NFL's going to look at housing the draft from now on and if this is now like a bidding process like the Super Bowl, as you know when teams and cities bid for the Super Bowl more often than not the ones that do it. Right. Are put in a rotation where they come back around. There's no question Nashville is going to be in a dry so pleased to hear that doubt. I served on the committee to help get the draft here this some videos, not nothing major. Sure. But this gym of a city, and I think the predators had their run of two seasons ago. And it was it was magical was just beautiful on. Broadstreet what way and all the bars. The watts parties in the energy the weather. Everything was perfect for and last night is seen the scene the stage to set up. Everything was just so well done. It looked good with the mazing person ever good. We have we have a set at Tootsie while not into cheese. But we we created a set that comes out into Broadway. And and there was a brilliant idea whoever came with agony to shake the hand of the person that people the NFL network, they draped the scaffolding in lavender bricks to make it look like it's part of. Twinsies that they put out there. It's awesome and the shot down Broadway of the neon lights behind is just breathtaking. And the reason why I say that this is a difference maker. And then we'll get to some draft in some football stuff with you, Eddie, Georgia is the reason why it's a difference maker is in the in the way that. Chicago was amazing. It was in grant park. The city looked amazing rain one time. But it was really amazing and the way Philadelphia was remarkable to they transformed. He's the museum steps and Ben Franklin Parkway. And last year was wild to be in a stadium that size for Dallas Cowboys, those are all places that needed to be transformed to have a party, and he go they go, those are all places where you needed to have these tents created that had things like say, hey, come and see the Lombardi trophy put your put your head on on on a on a uniform without head on it. I'll take your picture. I haven't seen one of those yet in Nashville because you're gonna have to create that stuff. Right. It was dropped into a vibrant living party the thoroughfare already happens three sixty five. That's what Pete right all over the world come here to have that experience. So now, I think that's what I mean. By transforming the league's going to look to see. Okay. What spa? That already exists that's famous for existing in the manner in which it exists sleep. We put the draft in can we close off can we make secure and do it that way? That's why I think it wise in Nashville's transforming the way that they will it really was. I mean spirited who is part of the chamber of commerce to council here to help. Bring a lot of bits to our city. Dila fantastic job of that. I mean, he really worked hard and tried to convince the guys league office the come bring the event here. Just been awesome. What what twenty million dollars off of last night to the our economy here? It's it's a wonderful deal. And I think it bodes well for us in the future for bring other events. Like, maybe the World Cup won the World Cup games or hopefully a Super Bowl one day the right venue. And I mean, this this city's just exploded over the last three years I've been hearing. I'm really proud of national with even able to do this week, by the way, that's an applause line for everybody in Nashville right there. If you want to. The bodies from Nashville. That's also a testament to Nashville that they're gonna make it a destination certainly for the draft. Eddie, George here on the rich Eisen show, you're in a locker room and you hear quarterback that gets drafted your team. And he's pissed because you do like that. That was that was me. In fact, ninety six. I was fourteen and the Oilers was supposed to pick me at number nine two quarterbacks running backs ahead of me. Tim be put to good, okay? Lawrence Phillips, right? And they traded allow that slot. Go down. I think to maybe twenty twenty two and I was like, oh, wow. This is going to get we along night. And of course, all the cameras come up to me and trying to see my react you red green room. I was in the green room in New York. Okay. And I'm sitting there trying to smile and inside I'm dislike oh my gosh. This is going to be awful day, seething that a Michigan man was taken before you know, question and how he ended my undefeated season and ran for three hundred yards against I remember what limit be out. Yeah. I'm waiting for another moment. It's coming in the next century or so. Okay. Thank you. Not not not any time soon. But. The wind up coming back up the fourteen got me a fourteen and I was really happy. But I told my age when I got the stays at Tagliabue's Hannah said, listen, whatever you do just get me in Campbell in time, and I'll take care to rest and that led to me having rookie of the year season. If you Pro Bowl seasons in a row. So this is a good thing for Dwayne Haskins because he felt slighted from the Heisman in being get enough. Love there. I thought he got more votes as a hydro care. Fifty touchdown come on man, come on against the league competition. And now with the draft without the giants were thinking, but I thought he was definitely going to be in New York giant. But that's what you have to have. He's gonna come in with a cheaper. And he says it I'm coming in with a chip on the shoulder on my shoulder. I'm pretty sure he's listening to sign me today. It doesn't matter. And now he's going to face the team twice a year. Right. You all this is going to be beautiful. But there's no there's no one in the locker room. That's thinking right now. Hey, you know, he should be excited to be here. Not of a chip on his shoulder. You want that for Washington? Look you want a quarterback chip on your shoulder. Right. You know from the area to his family's gotta be ecstatic. Washington has got gotta be ecstatic. Do we had him on the show last week? And I he's got a lot on the ball. He's a sharp sharp kid Scott kid. He would not say the word Michigan. It was funny. You said that and I pointed that out to twice he said that rice, and I'm like what if the lines taking any because as I will say that I played Detroit. He said, yeah. I know he had it was funny. You know, gauging kind of like you need to have somebody who's who can play around stand that Vaughn. And there's a certain aspect to be in a face front figure. I like him a lot I really off runts. And that's what's shocking to me is that he didn't have any red flags. Right. Paying off the field. I mean, we know his body of work on the field. So I know his family, I know him personally, he's matured into a fine young, man. And what a way for his, and I will bring this up, and then we'll drop it the way that he came in in the big house J T Barrett who probably got every snap under the planet. Right. Because he is the all time. He's he's a goat. At allows staying goes down in the big house, and I told him this when he was on the phone, and I'm like I thought that game was a rap because you're the backup. And that kid was like, oh man where did that throw come from Robbie hoping that man hurt JT so for which which which which what better way to prove your you can come off the bench? You can do this through natural ability. Whatever preparations that you had. He coached talked up coach day and stuff. Sounds about goes all right now, we will drop Eddie George year on the rich Eisen show right here on the program. And then you know, obviously what what's going on here with the titans. What what do you think about what's happening with this franchise here? They took a defensive tackle last night. Not the obviously the sexiest picked but very crucial position right here. What do you think about the titans right now? I think they're headed in the right direction. Mike rebel came in. With a lot of. I guess questions in terms of his youth where we came from and so forth. But I think he's a great fit for with the trying to become and now he's building the culture that they're looking for for for the type of defense that he wants to have. And he's accustomed to having. He wants them guys that are going to be fistfight us. They're going to be nasty in the trenches. And based off of the highlights that I've seen we didn't see this kid play last year because he had a tornado yell. Based on these healthy. He's very disruptive and had he been healthy. It'd been top five. So they're banking on the fact that he's gonna come back healthy probably did the due diligence when his name there's probably in line to be healthy again. And they're saying he can be a true difference maker on a defense line because they're in a conference where they have to face. The Shawn Watson twice Andrew luck. Now, Nick foles false twice in these quarterbacks that can get it done. So they're going to have to get heat up front, and that's what they need. So I kind of know the answer to this question. So I'll ask it anyway. Because I I'm going to be eager to hear it. How do you like the way? Derrick Henry runs the football. I like the second half of the year. I mean, it was Dr Jekyll mister high or we could just say clicked days clicked for him. Yeah. He ran with all my gosh. More passion desire ran with more urgency. Do you think that's the Derrick Henry, I know this? On. That's how Alabama did that's how he ran in high school. So it's Kim some time to figure it out. He was a backup behind the DeMarco Murray for the first two years, so we had to accept that role. So he got accustomed to to running that way in trying to hit the home run every single Tom when he should allow the game to come to him. Once he got settled in being in that role of say, okay. I got time to set up my runs, I can impose my will. I don't have the score touched on every time. He's he's just become a beach a man among amid bright. I mean the ninety nine yard run. How many stiff? He was also one of the greatest ninety nine ever. There's only two guys ever do it. Right. And that was Tony sitting him. But by God. That was incredible. Yeah. It's his team. Yeah. I know you're shaking your head. Jack fan is not. Great Jacksonville Jaguar d fits Jalen Ramsey. I'll Jack all these guys still getting stiffed armed at his. I love it. I love twisted into Jacksonville's ribs. I love it three times in one year ninety nine. I remember that. That all three losses. Alameda, everybody else league. But Duval county fry. George today. And now, he's. That's thing. I love about you. And the one thing I want to bring up here is you know, when the NFL network started you were already six seven years into your career two thousand three and my favorite favorite matchup. Was you versus the raven. And Ray Lewis waiting in the whole Fangio already clap into say, I feel the same way where did that come from? What was where did yesterday six we both in ninety six draft. May that was a good draft. Look it up Keyshawn. Josh one house fourteen Jonathan August Ogden was four Kevin hardy Semion rice. And Terrell Owens. Very Lewis was also in that draft. So we kind of knew each other by going to different. A war. Banquets is so forthright and became really good friends after night of drinking and talking crap to each other. We just stayed in touch, and then we got drafted into the same conference, and we wind up seeing each other simple star teams early not careers, a really bad. And you know, they couldn't win four games. We're really trying to find out who they were. They moved from Cleveland. The Baltimore we moved from from Houston to Nashville and really trying to get settled. So right around two thousand when we really got good really really out. We were and we were really good friends off the field. But on the field man if I killed them on the field. Great, and he felt the same way. I mean, we were willing to die on the field while you would use nasty. It would be you run the way you ran and him coming into the whole way that he did. And you would let him know after you were barking at him. Yeah. Is there any store walked at me about to see is there any any story specific story. That's safe for work that you could tell from that share while the people say, well you talking about the playoff game in Baltimore. Get certain. That's a good one. Yeah. Well, he was article that came out in sporting news about his career happens so forth. And I was in that he said, well, I changed Eddie Georgia's career at a hit on him in a playoff game thinking, okay. What is this? When I ever go out of the game and hit me or late me out that was one in memorial stadium in ninety seven hit. But I'm like, okay. What I see you again, we will find out, you know, and lo and behold, we split the divisions at the time. We're all at one division and what the innocence right AFC central. Right. Black and blue. That's right. But then they went to the north. We went to the south and low and behold, no oath redraw the ravens going into Baltimore. I said, yes, this is the time. So it was very patient in waiting. But in the first half, I suffered a dislocated shoulder. Steve pick every picks it off ago behind them. I try to strip the ball land on my shoulder come out. I'm like, oh damn I like, I can't miss this game. But my shoulder is completely out. And I'm on the sidelines. I'm banging the bench because I'm upset still out. Remember, Eddie gotta calm down. We've got a Papa Becky and I said, oh, that's right. So he pop it back in and there's a moment where you just feel where the glitches are and your shoulder and to see if he's going to slip back out or if there's any pain, so I can kinda manage it that had to judge whether. Come out of the game. Get a shot strap it up, right, right? So there were like this. We gotta make a decision. You know, what are you going to do? What are you going to pay him? But down the sideline to sit strapped them. And that's okay. Take me to lock strap it up, and I came out, and I was focused, and we were going back and forth. And I think in the third quarter or or the fourth quarter that moment happened. I saw him or is met your eyes on a feel headed up the whole opened up onto the right? He comes through our eyes met. That's like, okay. Now, your time to leave me out. Then this is the moment we're supposed to own me. Let's see what happens. It will this result. And everything in me mad. He came up high. I quote him by the throat, and then tried to drive his head through the turf, and then got up, and we just said whatever he had to say to each other. And and that was it. But that was a game rich that I felt like I go out today still play because of the emotional energy that I had well, we felt it. I mean, my legacy was on a lie. You know, and I felt laugh at you know, you felt this respect it, and that's the type awards that we had. But today we were he's a Nashville not too long ago. It was smoke cigars and talking about having a podcast together talking business together that would be great. Absolutely absolutely love to be a guest on that. You'll love you to be a host on about that. I would love to try that. Yeah. Let's do this. Let's talk about. Okay. That would be great. Yeah. You already have some download listeners right over there. And just to describe to the people in the radio audience who aren't seeing this to show. Just how Nashville does know how to hit the moment as you were telling that story, the sun was going in and out of the clouds, and it was getting like a great scene. Set shared. The sun goes down. Just as you're telling the story, and then it comes out, right? John Lewis national really knows that affect the scene. Matt great to see you. Let's stay in this. Would love that. That. Would you enraged you in a pod? That would be melted. George twenty seven twenty-seven on both Instagram and on Twitter. Four time pro bowler Heisman Trophy winner. Eddie, George right here on the rich Eisen show before I let you go. Did you vote for Cuyler for you voted for twain for the for the highest level say who voted for oh come on? Got me in trouble before and he's parts. Well. When ninety seven and I voted for trials Woodson over Peyton Manning. And they grilled me here and Tennessee, probably still. Twenty years twenty years ago, but they they hold on. They still talk about ninety six and he played them in the Citrus Bowl game. That really didn't matter. I'm still hearing about everywhere I go, oh, we stopped you on the goal line. Like he's a Citrus Bowl. You're going to get a bowling attack. The ring good job. Whatever you can't. You can't be blamed for making the right choice by choosing. Michigan, man. Thanks for coming on. Trey wingo of ESPN when we come back. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack here podcast one? Yeah, we talked basketball. But we're a lot more than just sports booth. For those lady shoes seven, it's new everything about me, everything sports and left, and she says, I love you podcast and laughable. But I hate that job. Listen free to the big podcast with shack exclusively on apple podcasts, podcast, one dot com and the podcast one app. If you love the show share it with a friend and leave us a rating and review. 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Did you hate that house band as much as I hated that has spanned last night? There were some questionable choices. I mean. I'm just talking about how they were aiming over them to. Yes. I was a lot actually. I was having a problem with the band. You know, it just you know, you, and I we have a tough job to do. There's so much happening. Yeah. People don't. Slate goes on you heard it was plates, ping. I was for the old Steve Martin lion juggling flaming cats, right? Just touchable long enough. So you don't burn your hands and keep things moving. Right. That's what it is. I mean, you've got all these people that you need to get in for the analysts in it. Probably in your years saying, you got us graphic pack, right? Highlight. Mel do. This is not it's not it's not a it's easily. The toughest thing. I totally agree with you the thing you, and I've been very fortunate to a lot of things overall over a lot of years. Yes. The draft by far is the most time consuming pulling you in eight different directions at one time than I can ever think there's all the places that we've been fortunate to do. It was amazing. It was incredible. I mean because you were facing you think you might have had maybe a better angle looking up Broadway than we did from where we work is not much. We had this monster whatever VIP set up that. Right. That was I front of us. Right. What a scene that is. It's unbelievable. When I kept seeing the shot of the throne camera going down. Right. I was like where does. I think the Kentucky an end we we looked at the numbers of Nashville. I think it was a greater metro area was one point seven million. I think they were all on Broadway last night. It was we said it was funny. I'd like to get your take on this. We thought going into the night that Philadelphia experience was the craziest the we'd seen on the outdoor shore. Right. Yeah. And then when we got to the stage at Nashville, we looked at each other. And we said, you know, I- Philadelphia's in the lead by one stroke in the clubhouse Nashville tiger who just turned twenty nine on the front side. And he's coming. He's coming in hot. And I have to say I think that was that was the best draft experience I've ever series, I know and not even close. So the reason why Philly was was in the clubhouse is because they created a draft whole out of thin air. Right. Whereas grant park is at least a park with a huge space. Yes. Like this one. They created out of the Rockies. They actually literally had to move the rocky statue in a way. So they could create the draft hall. Yeah. This one is already ready made party spot dropped the draft into. Yeah. And the other thing about Philly. Let's be honest. We all would have failed a drug test after the contact high coming in from the parking lot was like you guys are really enjoying this threat. Well, and that was speaking to somebody who's broadcasting from a lot of places that was the tiger shooting at twenty nine coming in hot taking the black hole, Oakland Raiders parking lot. One-stroke leader. Yeah. I'm glad that we didn't know one said here here's a Cup. We need to handle some business after that one. That was that was interesting the poll question of Trey wingo here Chris Brockman while we have trae here game of thrones related now. Because normally when Brockton are talking about game with really spoil nuts. Use spoiling things at six o one eastern Twitter's and instantaneous reaction get off for a few. Has nothing. He has no leg to stand on trade. He came on the air on Monday. And he goes, well, nobody died last night. That's a spoiler. And he's like it's not a spoiler because nobody died. I'm like what if somebody told you that before you tuned into this show? Her med words one week. He was doing the radio with us goes, listen, I'm going to leave. But I got one spoiler one little thing. It's not a little thing goes back guys got to drag it. We're like you can't just drop. Track. Walk out the door. I'm just glad Herm is locked in focused. The most head-scratching move with the first round biggest head-scratching move feral. The raiders at four giants taking Jones at six the cardinals not trading. Josh Rosen Haskins all the way to fifteen. Well, I think I think Rosen's going to go tonight and probably for second round pink. I think that's going to happen tonight. So that's not so surprising. That would be a dream for Steve guess second. I think either Ferral or are Daniel Jones because what what did Dave Gettleman always say the gentlemen, I'm not going to reach for a player for. And we reach for a play. And look if if it works out that he's the next whatever then fine. But as you go, we always talk about this. It's not only about the players about the value of the pick. Could you have used that pick at six to get more capital and still got Daniel Jones. I think the answer might have been. Yes, I think so too furlough at four we were like, John what are you doing? Well, it's not John. I think it's John Mayock. And the reason what I said earlier is unlike if if may I had been saying that from his graft spot position, right? The last fifteen years and somebody doesn't take feral people be like may October you to take a while when you do that now that he's actually doing that. Without the two months of him saying it is build up people wondering what the hell's your problem? Yeah. It's interesting. It just depends on whether you thought Ferral or Josh Allen was the best guy off the edge. Right. I think that was a fifty fifty split on. Okay. Who's on your set tonight? We were trading a booger for mcshea. So. Arlyn's out exactly booker's going over to the to the game day side and tottering show. She'll be me Mel Todd and Lewis same set for you with Daniel never. It's being Daniel Kurt left because he's a hall of fame to go. He tackled jackets too. Sometimes do not want to Kurt tapped out. That's that's happened to us. Went back to Stanford. How dare he goes out with Charles Davis comes in and Joel Klatt, by the way, I always just talking to Joel he's up Joel he's two and Daniel so great, by the way, you know. He he worked for us for a few years. I'm so happy that he's got that. He's he's awesome. Don't know move the sticks. Check him out on Twitter kissing seconds left. Unfortunately that was a blast being the race. It was it was a lot of fun. We the three of us together because we all sort of you when you get there ninety six. Ninety five ninety six ninety seven. So when they re ran those photographs Greece went I went second. You went third on the montage that they showed it was embarrassing hair is still the same ours. Let's say is not he's Benjamin button. Yes, he is. 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"Today I got three Jerry Recco, which is a lot better than zero Jerry. RECCO Good Morning Jerry Recco I gotta be honest. I gotta be honest. I gotta be honest. It's been much. It's a bit much. That's a bit much. I see it, too. It's funny. Yeah, sorry about ten. No, don't apologize. Yesterday was freaking me out. I've gotten used to this seeing everybody thing and seeing them live and knowing when they were going to talk. And then you were gone, and then Al was gone like there has been this unspoken communication that I've had with Al. I don't know if he feels it. In the way that I feel it anytime. He wants to say something, or there's things that he doesn't like or whatever He. His facial expressions have told me a story throughout the. And I could see him better through the zoom than I could ever see him through the glass at work because there was always a glare in the bigger lights are in our favorites, cameras or in the way. Yes, I can never really see him so there's a lot of times where I could see his bald head nodding and I could see him like. Like sort of lean close because he wanted to say something, and then he disappeared yesterday, and I was like this is just this early quarantine stuff right? Here can't see anybody I. Don't know what the Hell's going on boomers, not here. This is not good, but today we've got three Jerry's AL's back and CEELO is still in his study, which is Great. Now bed I can see. We got six shots were ready to go. I can I can see out as hit, and it's also the camera, too. Because sometimes he wouldn't have the the microphone towards his mouth so as soon as he does that. You already speak. Do you have something? What are you talking the old? Yeah, the old unspoken communication, exactly right I missed that yesterday More mets ownership news that. Is probably not going to make a lot of mets. Fans happy because you've got now adding to the J. Lo and Group A bunch of other name, the athletes like celebrity athletes that are going to be joining his group now. It's sort of fun to a degree. Because you've got these big name. People that are involved and it makes the mets feel glitzy and glamorous, and all those things that that they have lacked I suppose over the last number of years, but now it's gotten to the point where it's just to me for me. It's too much because now. If feels like the Miami Dolphins when every body who ever lived. Lived in Miami, who is a celebrity, owned the piece of that team and I don't think they're going to end up winning this bid, but when I hear the Jeff, wilpon would prefer that the mets get sold to J. Lo and a Rod. Then I started to get worried. Because now it's also travis. Chelsea Bradley Beal Joe Thomas. There's other people in there, too. I can't even remember half Brian. Brian Urlacher that's right, so Brian. Urlacher is one of the nicest guys in the world when the greatest linebackers I've ever seen when I was growing up watching football, I couldn't stand the guy because he was so damn good against the Minnesota Vikings, he every game played against the Vikings fifteen tackles two sacks, pick and a fumble recovery, but this is now going to own a piece of the mets. Mets I wanted to be Steve Cohen. The wilpon don't want it to be Steve Cohen. And now you've got this giant. You're talking about celebrity family feud yesterday. That's sort of what this group is like. It's like a celebrity family feud. That's trying to buy the New York. Mets I hope it doesn't happen to me. It doesn't matter it really doesn't. Matter is at the end of the day of. Or the owners of the team, or they're the face of the team. It's fine as I said the album and he's he's on your side. He believes the same thing. He thinks goofy. There are people with money. That's all it is. Their names were Bill Williams. John, Smith, you know Jason Jackson and they were just billionaire, people or just guys that at one hundred million dollars. We wouldn't care. A lot of these groups are multiple. Layers of different rich investors, so it doesn't the fact that they're going to people. They probably know that have deep pockets. It's fine I don't expect DeMarco Murray to have you know. A sweet making calls the trade deadline. I understand your point, but at the end of the day the Miami Dolphins are run by Stephen, Ross, and yes, there are a lot of celebrity investors, but there's no, so who's running. That, who's running the mets I? I would think wrought is I would I would think. Is the baseball man that's going to be front and center of this team. That's what I expect, but he will have nowhere near the most amount of money invested in the team I i. don't know how much they're putting in I. Mean you've got other people that are going to be you know? Maybe the the larger investors of the team, but I think part of like what is Derek Jeeter have been best in the marlins well, not a lot I. mean he? Basically, he's running it, but it's zag like it does seem like you. You can't though. Though I think be a Rod. Expect to run this team and then have to people who are investing in reportedly and Vincent Viola a lot more than you i. know whatever happened in Miami. I really don't know the power structure, but they're. They've been a disaster there and I know that they're trying to rebuild, but it's been a flat out. Disaster Business in on the field and Derek Jeter as admitted as much as you said. Yeah, you know no fans. It's been great. Clues ballgames tremendous. It's been awesome down here. He said that the. In an interview, not that long ago, so to me, it's like that that type of structure, in even if we didn't know the names of the players that were involved that type of structure always scares me because you have to have so many people who always get what they want on the same page, and that to me can lead to a lot of indecision and wrong decisions and infighting and stuff that you just don't want. That's one thing you could say about the Wilpon for the last number of years after they had you know doubleday was bought out. His that they at least agreed on everything you never. About that, we think well yeah I mean him and his dad and soul cats. It seemed like they never heard about how one guy wanted one thing. Another guy wanted another that never really came out. But when you've got the potential of fifteen different people, especially that are celebrities. If people want to see, and people are going to root against this now, and that's not what I want to see you know. People are going to love the fact that a rotted Travis Kelsey got into an argument over this or Jaylo stand Vincent Viola. NASA. I. Really Don't think you know. It depends on the team philosophy. The whole situation in Miami is different because they've got zero fan base, and they've got no money to spend on free agents, and so on Derek jeter goes in there to take over. He sees one path now. They had good players, and they could have been a good team, but they didn't have the finances to pay them in, so he decided to tear it down and start ground up, which is a really really tough task and undertaking. Now I. Don't think we'll be able to judge what jeter has done in Miami really for another three years to be honest maybe. Maybe too, but I think it takes time what he's trying to do, and I do believe there are baseball experts that have looked at what that farm system has become and believe that they will be really good in the future now what they do with that success and talent is another issue and comes down to finances when you're in New York. You're not going to be a strip down and rebuild. It's going to be a team of investors that are GONNA have to come in and spend money I believe that I think Iran knows that. I think he's been here. He's played for the for the Yankees. He understands the market. Market I would like to thank and re Poli who I don't know a lot about, but I've heard and read about them a little bit over the last of weeks I would think would be in line to I do not think I really don't believe that if the mets are on the verge of trying to sign a big ticket, free agent, that report is going to get a rod and DEMARCO Murray on a conference call is what do you think? I think you've got a GM to make the decisions to bring that to ownership and not everybody, but the people that have the most steak and have the most at stake to. To make those decisions, and that's where you go from there I. Think the other people are just. They're just names in a mix I don't think it matters at all. The Travis Kelsey might have a zero point. Two percent share in the mets well really don't that. That might not matter, but a rod and J. LO reportedly in Viola. Those sure is that I mean that's four people right there I think but I don't think that's if I looked down the ownership structure of most teams I don't know that that's different anywhere else. I think a lot of places you might have a fifty percent owner, and then you've got to. Look at the Redskins for instance. I was surprised by that franchise's ownership structure when I saw that Daniel Snyder owned fifty five percent of the redskins. I forget what the number was. He's got the majority share, but you've got like forty five percent of team owned by other people, and you're even know it well, that's that's exactly the point, though it said when people have some celebrity to them, or they've owned other teams, their opinion wants to be heard. They want their opinion heard more now, and it's such a small state though I really. Inconsequential all right so then. If you want to say that all those names that we heard yesterday, you can toss out. I'll still give you the fact that you got four heavy hitters as opposed to a one sure a guy that I believe most mets fans want, and I'll be honest if it was this group or the Wilpon, meaning the a rod group or the Wilpon, I would take the group but the. The. Reason why I am so incredibly against the a rod group is because I know the wilpon are selling the team. That's not even a question. It's gone. It's out of their hands, and you've got a guy that teased us. The first time around, and I thought that we were going to get a new owner. It didn't happen now. He's back and he's salivating. He wants this thing. He's the exact type of. Of owner that I want to own my team one who is not going to have any red lights in front of him, and his passionate about the mets and passionate about New York, as opposed to what's being put together with a rod and J., Lo, that's really the reason why I'm against it more than anything well and I understand that at the end of the day I. do believe it's GonNa. Come down. Down to money, and he's got the deep pockets and I think he's going to give you the biggest offer and I do believe he will end up. Being the next met owner that said I. Applaud the a-rod Group for trying to find people with more money to up their offer to do what they can, because I don't know that they can right now compete with what Steve. Cohen has to offer for his. Purchase options. If you will, so you know what do what you can leave. The bids were in my guess would be. They put their bid in. And then found out as we all did like what he was offering two billion for the team and two billion for us, and out of true or not, but that's what was reported. They might have said my God if that's what he's offering. Offering we better go find more people more cash because we can't compete with that I don't know if the the the Harris Group can compete with I. Don't know if anybody can compete with basically a four billion dollar transaction ultimately I believe it will come down to whoever offers the most money, and I think it will be him and I think that's probably the deal that they accept. Unfortunately it takes time to just work through the details of the Stop Right Right, and it does seem like at least reportedly that Jeff Wilpon for whatever reason I guess the way that the initial negotiation went with Steve Cohen. He's still holding a grudge, so he probably would prefer now. He's not gonNA. Make the ultimate call. There's two other people there and Fred and soul cats who saw cats is I always love the soul catch. Shout out at the press conferences when anybody gets hired or Or whatever it is always the Fred Jeff and soul cats I appreciate it but yeah, so I think that Jeff is loving the fact that Iran is trying this hard, because then there seems like there's a legitimate option to Steve Cohen but also don't like the fact that it's like I mean I. Know we're talking about billions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, but it just seems to me like someone is outside of the seven eleven doesn't have enough money for the tag. Kid they're asking friends and everybody that walks by for a couple of bucks. You know it's like come on. Or you're out with this. You got enough cash you, don't you? Don't call up all your rich friends and say hey, let's start gofundme page for an immense I. Mean Steve Cohen's laughing at this stuff. He's like you guys. Give me a break. I mean I could give you fucking. Give the mets four billion for the TV network in the team, and I still have hundreds of billions left to just throw around in your face, which bends the guy which begs the next question. How much they possibly putting in like you know looking at career earnings Allen I. we're doing warm-up show between five and. And six Brian Urlacher made eighty million dollars, playing football and I hate to bring this up. Because boomer's not here, but after taxes, it's probably forty million dollars. I know he's making money for the the seeds in his head I get that and he endorses products, but there's no way he's making another hundred million dollars off the field at this I would not think at this stage of his post playing career. How much is he possibly putting in five million dollars, and if you think about it, what percentages are we talking about? A two billion, three four billion dollar transaction minuscule, so I think it's. It's glitzy and all that, but at the end of the day. I think it means absolutely nothing absolutely nothing well. One thing it does mean is that they had to string together some more cash because. They. They see the real rich guy. I mean there's rich guys in an Israeli rich guys I mean obviously reportedly and and Vincent. Viola are are wealthy, wealthy men, but I mean Steve Cohen's doing this on his own was was worth eleven billion that what I read eleven billion dollars. I think hold on. I mean th and just think about that number. googly can offer four billion dollars right now and still have sixty percent of his net worth sitting there, I y. I mean that is venting thirteen point six thirteen point six. According to Forbes on December Fifth Twenty nineteen. Could you imagine spending four billion dollars and having ten still sitting there? Jeff Bezos and spent four billion dollars and have one hundred, ninety, six, billion, still sitting there or more than that. Maybe one billion is a lot. You know so well. See in re police worth about one billion. He has made the billionaires club which nothing to sneeze at, but you know pales in comparison though thirteen times. That is just a different world. It's a different stratosphere. He makes Steve Cohen makes, and this is not a shot. This is just reality. He makes Rodriguez and Jennifer Lopez. Who are wealthier beyond anyone's means makes them look like paupers. He does I mean think about what I read their worth together? Seven hundred million dollars compared to ten billion. Sorry thirteen point six billion. It's nothing it's literally nothing think they have a joint checking account out. No chance where they were that seven hundred fifty million is just sitting in I think regular people that get married. Don't have joint checking accounts anymore. I don't think they do no way. Oh Man Yeah. I saw another combine net, worth seven, hundred and fifty million dollars thinking about the world. We're living in that. We can now look at a joint. or rather a combined net worth of seven hundred and fifty million dollars in, scoff at it. Yeah, I now, right. During all of this. which makes it even more sort of stomach? Turning that goes on. It's hard for people to even understand it, but. The other thing about this they they married those two. I don't think so. I don't believe they are I wanNA. See they're engaged not that. I mean if they got married. They get divorced. Understand what happens when that thing goes south because these celebrity relationships don't exactly work out as you've seen. Standing Truffaut. Wasn't my like angling to try to get invited to the winning. I thought. I don't think so I remember. I thought I. Remember seeing that they got engaged. I don't know that they got married. Maybe they did I. Don't know. I don't keep up on my a Rod Jaylo. News like I. Should I guess you? Don't know this either. Jennifer Lopez engaged. When are they getting married? They're definitely engaged, but it. I don't know if a wedding somehow happened. Just googled it yeah. Dave officially postponed their wedding because of the corona virus. Okay, they told the the today. Show back in May. Those two would not just do a wedding and secret ceremony. They would live streaming those two elves. Like I said, they definitely have met weddings on talk your on the narcissism dot com where they met each other. Those still so there's no way that they're going to have a secret wedding. Then what happens when it goes south and I will say when there's not a lot of Tom Hanks and Rita, Wilson there are not that are going strong after. Willie Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. That's another great example how well they've done. Yeah, if you go back and watch them together on, talk shows you would think it was the greatest relationship, and probably at that point it was, and that has gone bad. I mean it's almost like there's no hope for any of us. Yeah well. I mean it's a lot more challenges. I guess if you're in the public eye, maybe. People who on TV shows, reality, shows and everybody who knows he are opposed to Lino, living in Obscurity and just ping. Someone who's got a normal relationship, and it's just more difficult especially when you've got your your own lives and people around you saying you're you're so great. You're so great. You shouldn't be with this loser and the other side saying the same. Same thing so I mean it's GonNa go south well. Let's be real that the the odds are against. Then what happens then then then she's she wanna stay apart has got an pre-nup. No, Oh my goodness, all that laid out I hope so remember that whole disaster out in La was a few years ago with Frank mccord and he went through a divorce. That was just the dodgers baseball had to come in and fix it. You don't want it and. I I had an older friend of mine years ago before I got married, I think I was engaged at the time and I remember asking him like man, you and your wife's longtime. You guys, you married. What's the secret? Never forget him stared at stared at me right in my face. He says we're never together. Yeah, I said that's the secret he goes. Yeah, we spent Sundays together. I work all day and then I take a part time job at night. Go home. I see her for twenty minutes. I'll see you Sunday. We can never argue my wow I've since seen him. He's still stands. All these years later, no issues in his marriage. Maybe a Rod and J. Lo can be like that that they're constantly away from one another, and when they do get to see each other at special, and they'll be fine. You never know may never know. Fact we were talking to to about this documentary turned me onto on Netflix about David Foster and the fact that he married. Catherine reviews half his age, and it's not about money because they say in the. She's worth a fortune to, but they're never together. It's like a facetime type of marriage. How could go back I mean. Cheating is how it goes. You don't know what the Hell's going on. He's an Asia and she's in La and you're never together. Who knows what the Hell's happening? But that causes its own problems can. You get someone who is thinking. Something is going wrong all the time. Where were you? Why didn't you pick up my phone? What's going on very really like? Get that, too. So I mean the. There's really no perfect. makes. That's exactly what I was GONNA. Say there's no perfect answer may be a rod and J.. Lo were made for one another, and this will be a marriage that's been the greatest marriage in the history of the world. WHO THE HELL! Sell Yeah. I wouldn't bet on that, but you're right. It is a possibility never i. don't WanNa I. DON'T WANNA. have to worry about it. As a mets fan I wanNA WANNA care I. WanNa be able to skip by it on the websites I. WanNa turn the page on the newspaper. Change the channel on the TV. You don't WanNa. See your owner naked on a rock in central park exactly. Unless? It's Steve Cohen and I will. Go there I'll take the pictures for. boomer and Geo on the fan CBS sports network in radio DOT COM just getting started on this Tuesday morning got Ceelo back with an update, and just a couple minutes each the morning show with boomer Esiason in Gregg. Giannotti boomer and Geo Bobby Hart. The of Lyman for the giants tackle woods, really bad ended up. Leaving and whatever there was just a lot of issues with the bengals. So something that he tweeted ended up going viral. Because of the response to it, so Bobby Hart tweets out if the mask works then why we gotta stay inside if we gotta stay inside, then why we have to wear the mask and someone who is named Jamie Trae Court Bista on twitter says. To Bobby Heart if you have a right tackle then. Why do you need a right guard? It's because the tackle doesn't do his job. As per usual, and the right guard has to clean it up. Feel free to block me Bob. It'd be the first time you've blocked anybody. That was great. That's funny. Good for that person, bobby heart is one of those guys who I believe deserves it. All right see low is with us. He's gotten update good. Morning Chris Good. Morning fellas brought to you by wall. Our paint and design and ace hardware stores visit dot, our dot Com online ordering you guys covered in the open the list of stars that. Jaylo put together now with their bid to buy the mets. That includes DEMARCO Murray Bradley. Beal Brian Urlacher and Travis Kelsey on the lesson. That reminded me that I saw over the weekend that Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes this celebrity golf tournament together in the Vata. Guys saw this video in Mahomes is getting interviewed on live television and Kelsey walks up behind him and gives him a wet willy like he's like a little teenage brother or something like that in the middle of pandemic, probably not the. Singer. Where we're eliminating handshakes, but willies are still out there, yeah? In tahoe right. Yes. The American Century Championship because Aaron Rodgers, was there as well, and I'll have a cut from him later on where they ask him about kind of the stay of football, and what he's expecting for the season coming up, Mos- need about the tournament because no fans, but because that was on the lake, there were certain holes. All the boats were pulled up right along the fairway so there actually some semblance of people watching it, so it wasn't terrible. Because some of these while the golf is really good to watch. Does lack atmosphere, but at least that one they had some people in and around the golf course, and that's they usually have steph curry at that tournament. Obviously, he's a little busy right now, but I believe he usually plays in. That was there I thought he did their immune did and his Dan because the warriors are not a part of the Oh. Oh, that's right. Why am I saying of course? Dell curry played still using them being in the playoffs. I forget that this is Tony. Romo had to withdraw I believe after the second round wrist injury Yeah Eddie Mrs Nothing with these obscure tournaments, so we talked about the basketball yesterday. He knew all about Joe Johnson. mean he's just got. It covered man. The mets had the day off their back to work at city field. This afternoon. Yankees had another work at the stadium. No interest squad. They were just getting some reps in big focus of Aaron Boone's zoom media session the health of Aaron, Judge and Masahiro Tanaka here. He is with the latest on judge. It'll take some swings in the cage so another good step for him today. So we'll see. If he's in there tomorrow or not dealing with that stiff neck asks for Tanaka. He did some more throwing, plus he got a lower body working apparently whatever that will that means, he's responding well. Yeah, he's responding well in small chunks, they are taking it slow with him. As far as concussion protocol goes in judge plays this weekend and the interest in the Games of the mets. Sure hope so I don't think he does. And you know what they phrase is going to be in an abundance of caution. What's going to happen? They're ready. Saying cautioned. That's still four days away. I'm just I know CEELO. This is one of those things you're getting upset with me. In the opinion, you get upset with your players. That with you. Idea that the Yankees would actually do that the same way I was mocking. Say Way I was mocking. CESSPIT is for not running out of Intra. Squad homerun. I will fairly mock the Yankees if judge is GONNA sit out because of a stiff neck. If he's okay to kick swings in the cage yesterday, get him in the game. You gotTA. Make sure these one hundred percent healthy for the sixty game season. Man can't be messing around with these scrimmages these these exhibition close. Great so we'll run them out. They're opening night and just assume that everything's going to be fine right? Yeah, yeah, basically now. Hey, listen as long as Giancarlo Stanton. Pulses BICEP next I, don't really. Oblique. Hundred and twenty bucks. Yanks have decided Garrett. Cole will make his final tuneup. Start in Friday's intra squad rather than having him face the mets Saturday night in Queens. Boone says they wanted to have an extra day of rest leading into opening night against the nationals. We could've taken it now, but. felt like if we took it now, then he'd be rolling into his opening day. Start on on the fifth day coming off of a time. When maybe we're trying to push them a little bit. The eighty four pitches Sunday. You'd expect that to increase a little bit fraud. And then he'd be pretty much stretched out to begin the season. Labor tour also at the media yesterday. He revealed that he doesn't really care for these intra squad games. With the firm because. I don't really Lai! See my teams when they. Don't feel really conto gotta values the moment right now which is interesting, because it's kind of the opposite of what some of the pitchers of said where they like facing their own guys, because they'll actually give them some some feedback and tell them this is what I'm seeing this what you might be tipping so on and so forth, but it's a little bit different for the there have been a lot of. I should say there have been players though across Major League baseball that have said they. Don't like about this summer spring training is the fact that they're not gonNA be playing a lot of different games in different teams and it's. It's of like staring at the same faces. It's enough so I. Don't know that he's wrong, but I could see your point about the pitchers. They get tips from what their players are seeing from them, so it doesn't make sense from that standpoint. Sore is also said he's got no concerns working with Tyler Wade who could very well end up starting the season at second base, but TJ LEMAY Still sidelined by the corona virus had a lot more golfing and fishing for NBA, players of the last twenty four hours down in the Orlando bubble hillside, the big reveal that rockets star Russell. Westbrook tested positive for cove nineteen. He James Harden and Luke and Bob. Mugabe did not travel with the team from Houston Mike. Tony said on Sunday he was hoping that all three of his effect players would be able to join in Orlando within three or four days for those already inside the bubble conversation continues to center around being respectful of the rules. Here's nets interim head coach Jacques von. There's a sacrifice a responsibility for each athlete who enters the. For each individual who enters the buffalo to do their part and not? Tamper with the bubble I enjoy how much during the bubble just reminds me of the bubble, boy and Seinfeld the more here at. This guy, I've never heard of him. rashawn homes I guess from the Kings. Ready broke the rules he I don't know if it was on purpose or not. He says it wasn't that. He left the bubble to pick up a food delivery, so he now has to go back into a ten day quarantine in his room. So, how far did he go past? It though is what I want. A little bit because I. was seeing I guess it was only a little bit. Accidentally crossed the campus line. So that makes me think of field of dreams you go into the corn right, and you just vanish out into the corn. That's I. Don't know I read about this whole this whole you know line, or whatever is that there were supposedly a whole bunch of private security guarding the perimeter. How does he just sneak right by them? Someone was asleep at the wheel I. Guess One I. It doesn't make sense I mean. There's security, but like I mean. How far does that line stretch? I mean. What are we talking about? As far as the border goes I, mean do they have dozens and dozens of security guards lining this invisible border and it seems kinda crazy. Maybe maybe ever homes was as bright as CEELO is on. His camera blinded this security. And they see where he was. I mean you do see yourself right? I mean I'm not looking at myself right now because I'm actually paying attention to what I'm doing, is that what you guys weren't been laughing out the whole time? Yeah, yeah, I was curious, okay? You're writing a spectral images. Let's exactly what I said I wrote. This is what I wrote to Al. looks like I would imagine if I was dying and I saw a dead relative in a white line. I love the reflection of the computer in his glasses. Spit scream. His skin tone is the same as his white walls. Someone better for you guys I. Just shut one of the lights off. How's that a little bit? The reason I put it on is because the TV. Guys told me that it looked. It didn't look right so I'm just trying to work with everybody and satisfy everybody here punk and You know well now that now that you shut that one light off I no longer see through your face. Looks like An. Hour number one see what the complaint is next hour. Complain I. Think just an observation. Fine whatever you WANNA. Call that you surprise Stephen. Waldron didn't texture six times already. Put the light on because he did text me right as we were coming back from break, he's like Oh. Can you white balance? That webcam and I was like I. Don't know that that this plugin. USB Webcam has a white bounce features fiddle with my lights here a little bit more. It looks like when they put all of our screens up on CBS sports. Now it looks like if you were to go to an electronics store and you are judging. CEELO be like well. This is the cheapest cover could. and Jerry's is like. What else I'll make sure. My wife doesn't eat breakfast ten o'clock today. What else? What else is on the list today? Man, good Lord all right. Let's transition to Charles Barkley showy. He spoke out yesterday on the increased racial and social justice movements and fears the involvement of pro sports combined with all the media coverage could overshadow the ultimate goal. Spin all their time on West. On somebody's Jersey and West on the buses, and who's meal, and who's not kneeling and that's Kinda. Defeat the purpose of my concern this kerner during into a circuit instead of trying to do some though Barkley yesterday on CNN Kinda, understand his point there. I guess it remains to be seen. wants the NBA. The other leagues get started specifically the NBA we see what the responses. To the players wearing messages on the jersey, so on and so forth do a little football. You guys may not know who Greg Van. Roten is I really didn't know until just a couple of days ago. He was one of Joe Douglas Free Agent Signings. For the jets at Carolina Panthers I believe yes, so I didn't really know much about him, but he did play in Carolina with Cam Newton, and obviously now they will be opponents in the same division. It's definitely terrifying to think about of Cam Newton's healthy, and you're gonNA. Bella checks offense in my division could be a long year for the other teams because he's a game changer. I, I'm with Gregg on this. I agree, I think the dam patriots are going to find their way back to the top of the division with this quarter, but I think it's GonNa. Be Really something and be a match made in heaven. Even if some don't think it will be now, time will tell but boy if he is healthy God this going to be one little cu that the patriots pulled off, and that was the additional dinghy, said if healthy with the dual threat of buildings so hard to defend. One saying and he'll do the other, and then you couple of him with ballot check who only cares about winning and Cam really wants to prove himself, so it's definitely a recipe for disaster. And then he's right and think about what he just said. Cam is going to be motivated because of this ridiculous contract he signed. He's looking for his next contract. I mean he could. Could put up an MVP type of season up there again. If they play and this is what I was arguing with boomer this entire time about how and also Richard Sherman we put out it was a disaster the contract that he got I much rather be Cam Newton in this situation, then someone who is going into free agency with this particular without going to a team. Team like the Patriots. He still has this year and this deal with New England to show everybody that he can be great again, and then he could hit the mother lode with another contractor can so this is a great instead of saying all one a disaster for Cam and this is terrible, and he's a former MVP inge beginning paid like it say what tremendous opportunities been. been paid on in his career now he has this year to be motivated, and then he's going to have another opportunity still in his early thirties to eat free agency again. I think he's a great spot to have a ton of success. He could go from a base salary of whatever it is five, six, hundred thousand dollars, or something to like thirty million and it's. Crazy to think that no, it's not crazy to think that just crazy that the wide range that these quarterbacks can have. No other way Van Roden courtesy of Siriusxm now you've got the deadline for franchise players to sign long-term deals coming up tomorrow at four o'clock, apparently, it's not going to happen between the giants and Leonard Williams not the did ever seem to all that close, so he's apparently going to play out the year on the sixteen point, one million dollar tag, and then basically means that. that the giants Williams can't do a multi year contract until after the season they could obviously use the franchise tag again the second time next year, but that would be increased money, and basically this whole trade has kinda gone it's gone south. I know that David Letterman felt like there was upside, but give a couple of draft picks for a guy. That really didn't make much. Much of an impact and I are going to pay him sixteen million dollars and may very well walk out the door next off. Season doesn't seem like the best usage of your draft assets as they would say the Oakley mouth. Shield has been revealed by Oakley. NFL collaborating now is they're going to try? And how did the players with this as the go towards training camp? Camp, which is really going to be the test of it? All these guys are getting back together for training camp. That's the plan here in the short term, so all waiting suit teams. Yep are going to have this distributed to them and their players contest it out. The safety protocol negotiations we know are still ongoing between the League and the players as they try and get on. Today's Training Camps July twentieth two weeks from today and rookies. The nineteenth is at the earliest that we've seen, so we're talking five days away. You have rookies in for the first time because there were no minicamps, obviously right, so we're that close to some semblance of football. I I. Don't know if these teams even know what that's going to look like southern sound like they do does the players speak mean Aaron? Rodgers included in at sounds like there's still a lot of things that have to figured out or things that the players at least haven't been informed about yet from the Union and from the League so. Hopefully get ironed out here of course. More than any other sport I'll believe it when I see it. More than any other one because I really do feel like the others are on a good path that seems like any way. You're starting to see real activities training camps in hockey opening yesterday. That look good, so your boy Hendrik is still playing for his job, which is good for the Rangers. Football man when I see those guys on the field in uniform I believe it so Steven Nelson cornerback for the steelers tweeted out yesterday, so we report in two weeks. Question Mark Ll that looks super dead. A laugh troopers dead. Boy They and they still haven't figured out what they're doing with the season either right because the players play any games in the league wants to play, too. So maybe you'll get what I find it hard to believe that you would go into a season with not one competitive. That seems like a recipe for disaster. I could see them playing one like if they can play, I could see even the League on back to one. Let's say let's have one dress rehearsal before we put you guys on the field for real colleges do it every year, and they're not even pros. Yeah, but don't, but don't. They have joint practices with other colleges and scrimmages. They had their spring game spring. which is all interest squad I don't believe? I don't know I. Think they do the other I remember? Remember I mean again. It's the Ivy League, but with Columbia. There was always a scrimmage. There were always exhibition games before the season began. I don't know if that's the case for I. don't either our five I don't either because remember to. The Ivy was ten games, not thirteen as a different type. Type of season and they also had to wait the extra two weeks when everybody else was starting to even three weeks, so you might be right about it I don't I. Don't know by do find it hard to believe that the NFL will not have one preseason game before they start, but we'll see you mentioned. The Ivy League Patriot League followed suit. Fall sports yesterday and I guess they're gonNA. Look to maybe play football in the spring as well says conference. Only I would imagine I think so. Announced! Lie We have not flipped spring. Sports with false sports I. Do not understand why this has not been done i. really don't just right now or in general right now for this year, and you'd have to phase it back. I understand, and there could be some sort of a process where you you click a month every year to get back where you wanna be, but it just makes the most sense if the outdoor sports which are theoretically more non-contact than football is only getting less contact them football. That's clearly the biggest issue where you've got. Got Ten guys killing each other on a snapple ball. How many times a game one hundred and twenty eight hundred and fifty times a game snaps. There are why not just flip the spring sports a season. That guy canceled rather than forcing football down our throat, which we don't even know if there's any semblance of safety involved. Yeah I think that it is that everybody's been counting on that football revenue when it's supposed to be there and why, but how about having it as having it? I agree, but I think in and they still May. May but I think that let's try and see where we're at. Try Everything. We possibly can to get this happening now and chances are that it's going to be a mess and they're going to have to push it back and you'll be right about it, but I think just to answer your question, the reason why it hasn't been done as I think people are just exhausting, every single possibility to make sure that football starts on time because the fear of pushing back or losing, it is too great when they really should have thought ahead and. And what do you do with basketball I mean well I mean that's aiming talking indoors the entire time and all of that. That's going to be a tougher. My hope is that basketball. 'cause I don't know that they'll start in November. I've no idea again. Who knows where we are at the virus at that point but by all accounts, and whoever takes the vaccine and doesn't take it. That's another issue, but if they do have the vaccine ready by December, like a lot of stories are saying I would hope that you would get A. Good semblance of a college basketball season that would start January second January third something like that. Because then you can play straight through march into April if you want and you could get your full thirty games in, and I don't think I think that's got. That's the one sport that I think could be impacted the least because they still have a lot of time before you get to it. Make Sense I hope I signed for College Basketball Right now in January. Yeah, telling me, and that's the way it was going to be. Yes, so would i. that's what most people start paying attention to it anyway right right around all right CEELO. Thank you each morning show with boomer Esiason and Greg. boomer and Geo, so I continued watching the new unsolved mysteries on Netflix and there is that alien one that Al talked about. From September, first nineteen, sixty nine. Where in the BERKSHIRES UP IN MASSACHUSETTS? There are several people and I'm talking about Ten maybe more in the interview about six of them that saw essentially the same exact thing that night described it almost exactly and then a couple of people in their even had abducted stories about how I mean it. It's stuff that sounds like a movie like that's the reason why people don't believe him is only. Light beam comes down paralyzes somebody they go up into some ship, and then they get laid down on the grass again and don't understand. The three hours went, or this guy was in the car with his family goes to recovered. Bridge sees this hovering spaceship. And then? Everything stops. And then they get placed back in the car somewhere outside of a Deli or something and the grandmother, and the mother who were sitting in the front, had switched seats, and the grandmother was in the driver's seat, and she never drove in all these crazy stories and one person even remembered being up in the spaceship, seeing someone else who lived in the town and recognizing her, and she said she was also abducted. She doesn't remember seeing anybody else. It's just blows your mind and these seem like normal people I mean I. Don't know who they are, but there's a couple of people there. That are older that seem like they're still with it. Remember all of this and then even didn't want to tell people about it because they thought they were GonNa get laughed at and basically laughed at town, but I happen to believe these people that they were abducted by aliens believable I. Believe this one is well. Not none of them nobody in that episode claimed to have seen the actual aliens. I did some reading afterwards and the one guy was with his family in the covered bridge. He said in another interview he saw for a brief second in the ship in insect, like figure insect like figures in there, but he didn't say that during the particular episode, but. Just aliens like the ones in men in black. So you, so you're saying when you say that. No one talked about seeing the actual aliens. Do you think that it could be something else that was going on? No, I just thought it was interesting that different people were in different parts of the state and none of them claimed at the time to see alien, so I thought I thought that made it more believable that it wasn't one person saying they saw the classic looking alien with the big head in the big. Is another person all like? You said they all had the same story. They're all people in their house fifty years ago, so all people in their. Seventies and eighties now, so it was very interesting one. I told that to watch. Yeah, he's got to wash it. NETFLIX's right Eddie. I mean I do. Good and you got to watch that thing so this is the latest unsolved mysteries. Episode. Five out of six. But you'll know which one. You just search through the episodes and it's a great Barrington Massachusetts Berkshires Alien One. Like, I know it sounds crazy. I was thinking to myself that this happened to me. How would I go about it? Would I be running around telling everybody about it? When I opened the show the next day I was abducted by aliens, or what would be so embarrassed and scared show them. But I'm not totally sure because. These people how afraid they were and how this one guy means sixty nine now it's twenty twenty and there are. There are documentaries about the stuff. You'd hundred percent open with it. See on one hand I feel like sixty nine people were more free and didn't care and was. Like you know that was that time sixty nine everybody was doing taking acid having a great time. So, but now you'll really likes. Twitter kill. If, you have something kill you anyway. You might as well say what what your experience was. He I suppose. I guess I. Guess I probably would. How many and do I say it I? Don't plan on seeing it. Perhaps I will on another rainy day. How many of these people claim this happened in sixty nine? They interviewed. What what would you say Allie interviewed about five or six of them? And and but there's many others that have claimed to have seen it and apparently and unfortunately this. They don't have tapes of this quite really. No, no, no, no, no hold on. The not the actual footage of the aliens, but that night whoever was doing a talk show on the local radio station apparently took call after call after call from people saying they saw this in describing it, and it was very similar, and they never kept the. Dish Oh. Has This happened to them? Since fifty one years, no one guy claims he has been visited another time to a really. Yes, that was. The the bigger guy with the long hair? Yeah made made the painting of it yeah. See Part of me wanted to laugh at that guy, but I felt bad because I did believe him, but he's not an artist and he painted this picture that looks like a third grader told them pain and alien spaceship. And it's just this hovering disk with a light beaming out in a kid there and he's took me a long time to paint this and really was an emotional experience. Come on, Dude. Therapy. The painting was Hilar-. How would you react if your friends came to you with this? That in nineteen to see you say nineteen ninety-four. This happened to them. Yeah, would you believe it? I, it depends who came to me if it was someone who was prone to lying and had lied to me before about stuff, I would be skeptical, but if it was someone who I'd always believed entrusted, I had no reason not to believe him. I mean that's the other part about what these people I mean. I guess you could be crazy and want to do this because you're crazy. One attention. He got nothing going on, but they have that. Many people in the same town fit that profile that doesn't seem right to me and. And every single one of them. Why would I make this up like this wasn't fun is scared the hell out of me that the live with this i. try to tell people about it. They don't believe me. I don't want to be known as the town crazy person like. Why would I make this up? So it's fair to say you now believe there are aliens among us I've always well not among us. I. Don't know about that but I do like walking around Earth and some sort of human disguise cop, but no, I've always. I've always believed Manhattan Yeah. It's a possibility. I I've always believed that there's a there's a chance because the cosmos is so vast I mean you rule anything out? I mean the fact that we ruled out like that to me is hilarious like you have no freaking clue. We don't know anything what's been out there. What is out there? What could be out? There was growing right now. You have no idea like monster black hole. It's barreling voice. Yeah, that whole. That is well. Yeah, then then that's something we can edge sort of safe way too far away. By the way I did some research or you were out when I talked about it. Okay I just read. The story wasn't my story. Yeah, it's like twelve billion light years away what it's out there. But Right Universe is expanding and things are moving away from each other faster and faster, so it's. It's never gonNA. Get here and never going to get here. We're witnessing now. Is that happened twelve billion years ago? Yeah, which is dad always freaks me out. You WanNa. Star explodes or whatever it happened so long ago, but we're just seeing it now you know i. I just had. This image is so Eddie. If you ended up being beamed up, or you saw a ship, and the light came down on you, would you be fearful or would you be so happy because you've been waiting for first? Contact your whole life I, think large unless it was just so overtly aggressive and maniacal and evil. I think I would be overjoyed. I could just see Eddie breaking into his Eddie. Voice Hello Aliens. We've been waiting for you. In a vacuum. I don't know if you've done any research on me. My name is Edward Air. I've been a proponent of you for many years I. raise seeing eye dogs your. CLOUD OF SMOKE! That guy was annoying. Gone. A laser beam. Please, no explain. Here's a list of people. I would like to laser beam. Like that movie with T. was it tea Leoni with the with the aliens coming and they couldn't wait for it. Maybe it was maybe his Independence Day was World Smith and they went to the rooftop and they couldn't wait and. Sucked up and gone. Having an Alien Party? Aliens Dummies Right? Yeah I, don't know. I mean who knows if they're going to be aggressive. Who knows if they wanna just researched just and check it out? Who knows I mean these people? Apparently one guy said he was sucked up there into the ship, and they laid them down back on the grass. Like a baby. You place a baby down on the grass. They were very delicate. Nice Guy Branston. That's lovely well if they are here and real they. They have developed faster than light travel, so they're so far advanced so they could you know why torturous and y you know they would have? They can just get rid of us without even thinking about it if they wanted to do so if they're here to to talk, you would think that they're going to be. Uh. Benevolence, serious question, what is what is your Guy Neil degrasse Tyson believe about aliens. Do you think they walked the earth with us? Or they've here not because again. The faster than light travel is not something that we can wrap our brains around yet as to how it's. Actually feasible with the energy that we have now available to us, so that's the big stopping point. We take us you know whatever forty thousand years to reach the nearest star system. Forty thousand years. Yeah, which is doesn't seem like. We're GONNA CDC. Here as? We get FD L. Travel. Faster than light faster than light travel. L. He's already to California less than six hours in message board lingo he's. He's now eating with us. Maybe. He's the alley and wearing the. Maybe this whole time he's been fooling US I saw. This would help attract them. Yeah I mean I I would probably be scared to death of I saw an alien, and it was trying to be me up I would think that they're trying to kill me, and then that one guy who talked he said I. Don't know what they did to me I don't know if they replaced parts of me or something or took me. I was like God imagine living like that your whole life. You don't know like some alien was touching you observing you and you have to leave your life after that that sounds horrible. There's no amount of therapy. They can fix that and probably every therapist he sits down with. This guy is brilliant. Did you try the men's? I suggested for? You know okay. That'll be two hundred and thirty dollars next week. Right I can't wait to hear the story again next week. Three three hundred dollars for. Okay Boomerang. On, CBS sports, network and radio DOT COM each the morning show with boomer, esiason and Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo also some more of the NBA stories concerning corona virus, the one we talked about a couple of guys that have to be quarantined again and Rashawn homes of the Kings who decided to take like ten steps past the bubble line to get his food and now has to sit. Sit in his room for another ten days. What I don't understand about that I. Guess is with all this testing. It's going on down there aren't they contested constantly those guys yeah, so if he ends up going past the line, and then you wait a couple of days, you get tested. Wait another couple of days. You get tested. I mean if you're clear after like six days isn't. Aren't you okay to go? I don't understand the quarantine versus the testing thing like the quarantine stuff in the beginning was because there weren't enough tests around, and it was like you. We know that the virus takes fourteen days to to run through you so if you quarantine for fourteen days, you feel fine and should be okay, but now with all the tests especially down. NBA BUBBLE Bubble you would think all right. You have to quarantine for a few days. In case the viruses in you and doesn't show or whatever, but like. After five days we'll texture and then add two more days. We'll test you again. The quarantine periods should be limited, and then pared down because of testing I would think but who the hell knows I mean. Mean from all the different things I've read you hear anything from it. Can you know be in your system and not know it for five six days? I'm with you. You isolated for a week and you continually test negative I would think at that point. You should be allowed back with your team I understood the whole exposure thing, but I mean also think about the chances of contracting it from that one exchange, which is certainly possible especially in Florida with what's going on I. I understand that, but if we're talking about just picking up food, going right back to your room and having an after five six days zero, K, I would like to think that you're probably slip by, and you're okay. There's these are the challenges. They're going to have these the challenges the NHL I imagine we'll have and Edmonton Toronto as well and you hope that they work out the kinks now, and it doesn't pause or stall the start of the season or resumption of the season. I should say on July thirtieth thirty first, but interesting for sure that you go ten steps beyond an imaginary line and all of a sudden cinnamon the room. Yeah I think I like the idea of not having everybody I I I was against this, but not having everybody who test positive in baseball and basketball, being named because I think what's more important is the numbers in the percentage. So, for example, the NBA has done a really nice job of keeping that bubble. Clean of positive tests and practices are going on, but then you know Russell Westbrook ends up testing positive now. He hasn't gone yet moved the bubble, but the perception of it is that all one of the biggest stars basketball has tested positive, and then this this irrational wave goes over, but there's no way they're going to be able to have this season. You're telling me Russell. WESTBROOK's got current well, hold on a second. Yeah he tested positive before he went there. The expectation is he's going to join the team at some point I mean I. Don't know what's going on with Robertson Canal. I don't know if he tested positive for the mets or now hasn't been around. They haven't said anything. But what's more important for these lease? Continuing is keeping the percentages low and not having an outbreak with one particular team. No, but when the biggest stars are announcing on their twitter accounts and everything else like I'm feeling fine. I'll be back in ten days and Blah Blah Blah I. Don't know if that is a good thing any longer well because again. It's the perception of what is going to happen and for Russell, Westbrook I to me. I actually think it's a good thing. The find out that had happened prior to going because it means he hasn't been around anybody else. For the most part you wouldn't think and he's got plenty of time assuming he's healthy, and it's an ace, symptomatic type of case, which I haven't read anything to the contrary could be. Be Wrong about that, but I don't think he's had an crazy symptoms. So if that's the case you would, you could certainly make the case that when he gets there, he's through it. He's had got the antibodies. He's ready to go and he's got plenty of time to do so because now it's what today's July fourteenth. You assume this had to have happened at least a few days ago, so let's just say for poops and giggles for three or four days in that means ten days from now he should be clear and free. You're still at the twenty four th. He still has a week to get ready for the restart. Yep and I know that it's damn near impossible for something like that not to get out because you need to. If Russell Westbrook's rejoining the team, everybody needs to know he had the virus. That's something everybody who's going to be around him. Everybody that's playing him. Everybody needs to know that the people around him in his life need to know that, so it's impossible. Someone of that calibre, and that recognizable is going to go unnoticed if they end up getting it, I, just I. Don't like the jumping to. To conclusions like we. We understand what's going on. We just talked about it. It was prior to the bubble, but a lot of people who are were expecting the NBA thing to fall apart pro sports, not to be played us that story to say see. I told you so, but that's not the reality of it. It's just it's not I mean people act like since Russell. Westbrook tested positive away from the bubble. Some of the reaction I was seeing was like he his entire team. The rockets are never going to be able to play in this bubble and this thing's GonNa shut down in four days. When I saw the headline yesterday. That's what I thought until I read the story I thought Oh already. This is a problem. And then I found out. He wasn't traveling with the team got it prior to going to Orlando, he is in in Orlando. You know what that's not the worst news that I've heard then today in regards to this restart right and so far the bubble outside of a couple of these instances of guys. Breaking the rules has been okay so far. What do you make of I? Saw Richard Sherman's tweet. On NFL network earlier where he said we've spoken to management. We've made it clear how I'm paraphrasing. Because I don't have the tweet up, but it was something along the lines of we've spoken to management. We made it clear where we stand. Like what does that mean? Does that mean that no one's going to get on the field until X.. It's. It's one thing to put that out there. It's another thing to really lack information. Anything! Let me see this. Is The tweet good meeting today with management? We were blunt and honest with them. We will not compromise our players health in these discussions. That's what he tells me without the information that they're not going on the field. Yeah I would agree I would read into that as well like basically if there's no vaccine and we can't stay safe that we're not doing. This ball is in a game that lends yourself to Corentin, each other or social distancing. It's not something that happens, so yeah I mean it's just it's amazing. Football football's turned man. Every every other sport has dealt with his football was a rolling along no issues. You didn't hear about monied and hear about healthy just had the draft. Draft yet free agency at the schedule release, and now it's their turn, and now you start hearing the rumblings of escrow and thirty five percent pay cut, and health issues and players tweeting about I'm not GonNa go to training camp in two weeks. That seems ridiculous. Well. It's their turn now, and we'll see how they handle it because it was really easy for them to handle it back in March April May and June well guess what it's at your doorstep net. It's time. Let's go to on Nancy in Otis Fill New York Good Morning Nancy our you, I'm good. How are you doing today? We're doing great, Nancy. What's on your mind? Well I was listening to you guys I listen guys all the time. You're wonderful by the way. Have you there in the mornings at six o'clock, look forward to put the radio back on. I had a sighting. Of A. Uso Sixty nine years old, I'm not like crazy or anything like that I have dogs, kids, grandkids, you name. And back in eighty, eight or eighty, nine I lived in Cornwall at the time and I was divorced, raising my children I went out for a bicycle ride for some exercise and today I just need to exercise more. And I'm driving. A main part of road in Cornwall. And almost these lights above me and I'm like no. And it's not like a plane, 'cause. It's too low way too low. A plane would have been on the ground crossing. This thing was hovering. Right in front of my eyes above my head and I'm like Oh my gosh. I cannot believe this. And I'm like it's not a plane at the USO so I thought to myself Oh my God. Nobody's GONNA. Believe me, so I turned my back around, and I shot back home and it was two. Nothing followed me, so I went in the house. I told my Kids I. said I'm crazy. As I called the police station to let them fill, and they kind of liked, laughed at me and hung up on me. Yeah. That's the problem Nancy even. Yeah you see you see something like that. No one's GONNA BELIEVE I. Just about anybody unless I know them to be a crazy person, and it doesn't sound like you are, but I think most people now. What time of Day was this? Was this sort of at the same time that the people in Massachusetts so like dusk right when it starts to get dark. It was I'm trying to think it probably was around. September's I WANNA say because it was almost dark out, okay. Start and you I know it was dark. That's why I had my light on my bike and. I'm telling you what I saw and this day God I mean I was in my. Early maybe late thirties. Not, even forty yet and telling you to this day. I, always three. It I don't care with. People didn't believe me I know what I saw. was there anybody else in your town? That's all the same thing like this Massachusetts. Count the police station. Know that they hadn't had any reports of the UFO but the thing was. It happened so fast. It was there and then it was gone. And I don't remembers car even going by I. Don't remember seeing people walking by. I felt like I was out there on my own. That's a similar feeling than these people in Massachusetts had. They felt like it was like everything went quiet when this thing was there. And then when it went away, everything came back. Well. Listen Nancy I believe you. What did the ship look like was a disc looking thing or what it was around us. It had white all the way around. It was lit up all the way around, and it was definitely. Round I! Don't know if it was totally round, but it was around me because you tell by the way the lights were around it. Definitely pushed round. Do you still think you're crazy? Do they believe you now know they don't believe me Eldest one is forty. Forty H forty eight. And he's the only one the kind of believes me because she knows I would never tell tale until tale. Eddie. Do you have any questions for Nancy? Resident Alien Expert that I'm missing here. That maybe can help us with this particular call. Did. You have any sort of any physical reaction at all any tingling any I know, but I was so excited I couldn't believe what I was thinking I wasn't scared. I was just excited. 'cause I always thought. That there was something out there. All my life I wonder why I. I don't know if I live in a fairy tale, world or not, but I've made it this far in life. Believe me I, don't think I do but. I just I. I was just A. Smile on my face and I couldn't wait to get. Now Nancy I heard on the Netflix documentary. A lot of people lost time like their hours went by once. They saw this thing did that happen to you? Now did not not at all all right. No time because the kids wanted to know why home says soon. Okay, all right listen L. Nancy count me in as a as a believer and I'm. Happy that you were could could go on the radio and tell the story with no fear of backlash. So that's very good. We need more of that. We need more believers alien sites and have a great day. Nancy thanks for the kind words alien, citing people to. Be Brave and tell their story, so we can get the full picture. because. I would have thought that. If you see alien spaceship, you immediately tell a story, but that's not the case. A lot of these people Massachusetts very quiet about this eight, seven, seven, three, three, seven, sixty, six sixty six calls with your alien stories all well, not all day, not all time, because then you know what the problem is is like Nancy's genuine. You could telling her voice. She heard US talking about this. She had a story, but now if you open it up, everybody else is going to be pulling our like I. do like that. You were able to just from a three minute conversation. Say you don't sound crazy. You Watch these murder murder mysteries with al.. Knew all you see people being interviewed I could I would never known. He seemed like such a nice boy. Yeah I. Get what you're saying with that, but I feel I can sniff out a sociopath. I can't. At this stage of my life I really believe that that someone who appears Nice, but is not I could probably tell with minimal interaction. I have that gift. I have that sort of like I. Just I just know someone's a ski pots. And whenever I say this is the nicest guy in the world. I. Don't know about that and sometimes. I'm wrong, so there are times I'm wrong. We're. Okay one. One more here. Derek and Rocko way. What's going on Derek? Yeah, I. Guess you open the floodgates a little bit. Okay, go ahead, but. Aaron Rodgers apparently talked about when he saw UFO and It was near Cornwall as well. Really! Yes. Aaron Rodgers the quarterback. Aaron Rodgers, not just Aaron Rodgers of upstate new. Rogers of Schenectady! Aaron Rodgers. Shares Wild Tale. Of ufo sightings interesting I will have to read this Derek. Thank you well same area as. Our caller that is, that is interesting. When did this happen? This article was written in two. Thousand Sixteen knows it very twenty sixteen then. It was February two thousand and five a rogers. He was about to be drafted by the packers. You traveled to New York to tape a segment for some show. and. Dropped in the draft, a yeah could have been. This guy's believes aliens. So what a what a Schmuck! Large Orange left to right moving object because of the overcast nature of the night and the snow. You couldn't make it out. WHO's behind the clouds? We're seeing. It was definitely large moving from left to right. It was me Steve and his brother. I don't know who Steve Is. And it goes out of sight. We look at each other and go what the bleep was that. Yes so look at that. It actually in New Jersey this ufo, citing by Aaron. Rodgers wow. I never heard that. You guys ever hear. Citing nope interesting, and this is on NFL DOT com. This is not like some FA-. Cock the site that I. was in Time Magazine Online. I'm telling you man. It's happened. That's the next thing as Jerry says. What's next? You know the black hole. The asteroid the plague is rallied sharks and Long Island. Yeah. You the picture of the other. Yes, yes, that learned how to use nunchucks s which which was amazing, and it was like really skilled at it so twenty twenty brought us a lot of stuff I think that the. One of the best memes that I've seen throughout this whole thing is a bunch of alien, standing around, and has like the year two thousand twenty above it, and then the aliens. The quote caption is police were next. was was great each morning show with boomer, Esiason and Greg. boomer and Geo got Chris Lopresti in is update coming up and just a second is boomer and Geo Jerry in for boomer this morning I. Do want to get this call in though because this man has a reason why the area that. Our caller called up and are also wear Arron Rogers saw saw the UFO. There's a reason why this happens. Apparently, and that's Michael Encircle Ville. Michael Good Morning, are you? Hey Good morning. Guys good. What's up? Man was not that far. Cornwall is still not that far off from account called Party. If you Google it, they actually claim themselves to be the USO capital of the North East. They actually hold the parade every year where people hold blow up aliens and there's a diner in town, called the cup and saucer, so they're they're. They're kind of obsessed with this, but one of the one of the reasons they claim is because they do a lot of test. Flights of of new aircraft in the mountains Kinda like. I don't know how you you claim it kind of the maneuvers and whatnot, so so they see a lot lights in the mountains, and that's something that they want him. All Right, so you're? Not. You're not a believer Michael in the aliens. I you need to watch though you do me a favor. If you can. When you got a free moment, watch the net flicks on solve mysteries and see if you change your mind because I think that anybody who sees that comes out of least feeling a little bit more interested in the topic, because these are normal people that are just talking to you like. They saw a squirrel in their backyard. That's how they're talking about it all right CEELO. CEELO is here, he's got the date. What's going on? Chris is brought to you by flag, anthem, performance, gear, visit, flag, and anthem DOT COM, so when no sportscenter, typically no baseball for a while now fan has been digging through the archives a bit. We've been playing back some vintage stuff. Especially on the weekends Evatt Howie Rosen Susan Waldman Co hosting together on Sundays so when I went into our systems this morning, there was a Mike and the. The mad dog interview with George Steinbrenner from June of Nineteen Ninety wanted basically when George had the epiphany that he could actually rebuild and go with young players to build a sustainable winner, rather than going with all the veterans one year at a time, and as part of the response there in the back, and forth with Mike and Chris at one point, he managed to take a swipe at the mets along the way I didn't think you could. Could do that in New York because I got a tremendous competitor four miles away, who has done a tremendous job now true in the seventeen years I've had the ballclub fourteen years. We've been winners. Only three losing seasons where the other fellows have had nine winning seasons and eight losing seasons They went through a period I. Think when they finish last five times, so it's like other tremendous competitor, but we've been better them. Yeah, that's great. He hated. He hated when the mets together the other fellas. That is An eighty six mets obsession right he did. Yeah, started acquiring all the top stars from there. Yeah, I mean and one thousand nine hundred ninety. If you think about it I, mean the mets had owned the town for. Five. Years Yeah. And if that wasn't enough, then right after that a little bit of a backhanded compliment for his American League foes, as well I, didn't think I could come with the chargers or Boston Boston or Cleveland excuse. One of these other teams that we're GonNa, go and develop the young players. That's what Toronto did. There were years when they were floundering. Same with Oakland of a sudden, these young players come along. I didn't know whether New York would be patient for that and this. This was the point where he decided. They were the Yanks for twenty five and forty two at the time they ended up finishing dead last year, but as we know book show, Walter came along and ninety two, and then all the seeds were planted for what eventually turned into the nineties dynasty back to the present day now Aaron. Boone answering questions about another Aaron. Judge Soft Tissue. Injury it's stiff neck. He's dealing with this time. That sidelined him for a couple days now. We call it a soft tissue tissue yes. Yes. Muscle or ligament or something like that I've heard them use soft tissue quite a bit and multiple sports actually now here in football a lot to. Judge and Giancarlo Stanton have spent quite a bit of time on the I l. the last few years. Boone asked if he thinks their massive size specifically for judge is a factor I. Don't think there's much to it, but. You know. He the injuries he's said and he's bigger. That's a talking point, and they hope to have him back. For Tonight's Intra Squad game with has started by continues to happen exactly I would agree. You Got Jordan Montgomery in Chad Green on the mound tonight as for Masahiro Tanaka Condition I think he got a lower body workout. In today in continues to respond you know the right right way with the added workloads sounds like hockey encouraged, but again just also making sure we, we go slow and smartly with lower body Andrew for him. It's actually an upper body injury derived, but he had the lower body, workout or body workout. Yes, so we did some more throwing I. Guess He's been doing some running. He's been at the stadium as teammates as smiling and he's happy, but they're taking it slow, and there's no return date for him to get back on the mound, which with the shorten calendar here? Obviously lead you to believe he's not going to be. Be Ready to start the season which should open up a rotation spot for one of these other guys and most likely one. The Youngsters Garrett Cole will work again in Friday's interest squad, and then he'll get an extra day of rest leading into opening night against the nationals on July twenty third. The mets were off their back to work today. I. Don't bring this up so much to you know. Make met. Fans feel bad or to mock them, but have you guys been following Jared Kalinic at all? There's camp. Yeah, I don't know yet. If it's Kalinic or calendar, but I mean I've seen multiple videos. It just seems like every time I open up twitter. Stadiums hitting home runs in the sound off his bat is. He's one of those guys that when he squares it up, purchase sounds different off his bat. What that means long term I don't know, but they are very excited about him out in Seattle, so no pressure issue this. They should be what happens veteran first basement. Logan Morrison who was with the Yankees briefly in their minor league system last year now with the brewers, so at some point yesterday he was asked about playing with no fans in the stands. The season I liked his response quote for me. It's not going to be that difficult because I played for the raise in the MARLINS. Yeah. Of what that's all? About that this morning. I've been to Tampa and Miami and you WANNA. Talk about just nobody in the ball. We went to a game in Tampa. It's got to be five ago now. I would say it was a day game was one of those days in Florida where the weather wasn't great with water. We're GONNA do. I will drive to Tampa for a game and we saw Mike Trout in the angels. Take on the raise. There could not have been more than three thousand people in the building. That's incredible. I mean I want to say twelve bucks a ticket? We sat in the fifteen. Throw behind the first base dugout. It was unreal. How quiet that place they actually didn't even open up concession stands because they didn't expect anybody at the ballpark. Attendance aside is the vibe and just like the environment in that building. Your bad is, it looks dreadful. Yeah, it's it's neat to see because you know you're watching on TV. With the Yankees and it looks terrible, and then you go there and it says terrible. Looks on TV and they've been there since they first came into existence. Building because they have no support I mean even I think even playoff games. They don't sell out. They didn't have the one year in the world series. Yeah, right that they sold out, but I believe playoff games. They still tarp parts of the upper deck because they can't sell the tickets I mean even if they do have it be crabbing. It's not like it's a a big building to begin with as far as the capacity goes right I mean not that many even at full capacity. It's not like the size of some of the probably non. Probably, not because you've got the big fish tank in center field, so there's no seats out in Centerfield and isn't there all right one last year out there in the outfield minus some bleachers I. Honestly. Don't remember because again. When I was there, the whole upper deck was tarped. So kind of like what they do in Oakland where they the upper deck make massive stadiums it is. It is obvious because they played football brutal like I if you're if you're a baseball player and you free agent, could you imagine going and checking out Tampa and then going and seeing places like Citi Field and Yankee Stadium. And you know Cleveland, and all these really cool places, then you go Tampa, why would anybody sign there? Aside from money has certainly isn't about the experience. What free agent does sign in Tampa doesn't seem to happen. With the way that they their organizations or two, it's a lot of is you know? Athletes that don't want taxes taking up pressure pressure. That is true. I'm wrong by the way. If you take the tarp off those seats at the trump, they can get almost forty three thousand in there, so it's a decent size. If they were GONNA really open it out, but. I would I would think for Dome I would think fifty, plus but you're right. Forty three is not bad number. As you guys have been discussing Russell Westbrook. Testing positive for covid nineteen before the rockets traveled to Houston, so he put out a statement yesterday or social media posts says he's feeling good. He's quarantining anxious to rejoin his teammates. King Senate rashawn homes also back into quarantine gotta sit ten days in his hotel room after crossing. This is border down there in ORLANDO TO PICK UP A. A food delivery, so we made it sound like it was an accident and just a mistake. You know something that he didn't mean to do, but he's going to have to sit now for ten days, no additional issues for the nets so far in Orlando after losing half their team before they even got their Joe. Harris says the whole experience down there little on the bizarre side. took us all the Disneyworld, but haven't spent a significant amount of time. Dizzy property. I'm sure. That in itself is pretty unique, and probably the thing about toll experience. And he mentioned there noted Disney enthusiasts Lopez the net now with the bucks who I guess, he and his brother are just massive. Disney fans about a week ago. He had kind of issued a challenge to Adam silver when he said we'll see how long he can keep Robin I from going to the parks so now that they're open, who knows? If Sean Home Warranty. On. It for Sean. Holmes gets ten days for crossing the line to pick up a food order. I can't imagine Brooke. Lopez's serious about trying to get into. I could I could? He plays on the he's. Part of a team that has a chance to win an NBA. Title I mean I could still see it all right? Are they allowed to go to the parks? They can't be I don't I? Don't know I have no idea by the way just real quick August twentieth last year, the Raiders, seven thousand fans for a real game against the angels. Seven thousand. Well, you said you. Thousand people that. Hate attendance that series paid attendance was twenty three thousand. Series. And what's wild? Is there an extremely well run organization baseball goes their baseball. Operations are some of the best I mean. Look at all the guys that have been promoted from their front office jobs in the mix the playoffs almost every year. No one cares down there. No one cares that's crazy and the Yankees right there for spring training to and they draw great I mean I. Know that the Yankees. I'm not trying to make that comparison, but it's not like people that live in Florida heat baseball. Right I. Wonder if the Yankees and Tampa for their however many home games they play in spring training. Do better attendance on an average basis than the raise do. I don't know how much steinburner put on either. I've never been there. That's one. Thousand and I had no idea that it wouldn't be. I don't know it could be more than that. I have no idea I'm sure you could effort that while I probably move onto the next door. Here one more from Charles Barkley. We heard from him last hour. Concern that racial and social justice movements are being overshadowed by the demonstrations across pro sports. He says let's not lose sight of the issues at hand. Need police reform. We need prison reform and we'd be those at number two one and two things. We need to focus on Go go well. We need to COP. Cops police in the bad cop and Berkeley speaking out yesterday on CNN Aaron, Rodgers you guys are talking about him with the the aliens and the UFO's where he played in this charity golf tournament this weekend and Lake Tahoe hopeful of playing football this summer and this fall asked for his top of mind concern. Top of mine is that we're going to have season. 'cause a lot of. A lot of things yet to be figured out. We're hopeful hopefully with fans, and you can get all the testing procedures down the way they want it to. For for the most amount of safety I was Rogers on golf channel and he's got another issue as well much more on the lesser side. He probably doesn't care but interesting for me at least and others EA sports put out their initial ratings for Madden. Twenty one yesterday so Patrick Mahomes as you'd expect as A. A ninety nine, because he's a stud, but Rogers dropped all the way down the sixth on the quarterback list. He's an eighty nine which I'd imagine for him. I'd be the first time in quite a while. He's ever been in the eighties for the video game. Enthusiasts out there. The guys that are ahead of him mahomes Russell Wilson Lamar Jackson drew brees even Tom Brady at this stage of his career. Just ahead of Roger so our really. Yeah I mean I know the packers of. His. Statistical numbers haven't been as good in recent years. The ticket to the NFC championship game and we're close to go into another. You have all the numbers there. Do you have like what Daniel Jones and Daniel Jones I'm sure I could find it I just put his top include. Might be. Put the top ten down, but I'm sure the whole. The whole list is out there I can find a four year for next hour. No problem okay very good. Thank you see low. We will talk to you that the morning. Show with boomer. ESIASON and Greg. Analogy boomer and Geo, so yesterday I got a tweet from a listener that says this has to be you on Moose and Maggie right now, pretending to be. The Andre Baker's attorney. So I said of course. Is Not me I'm sitting in my house right now. There's nothing going on I. Am Not Calling Moose and Maggie to pretend to be somebody, but of course at that moment I went, and I flipped on radio DOT, com to stream that interviews it was going on and boy. Was it an entertaining? Let me tell you I mean I don't know if this Patrick Patel is telling the truth I. Don't know what the hell the truth is in this particular case, but this was so incredibly entertaining. Because this guy he he was, he seemed like a character, and I'm not surprised that someone who is listening thought that maybe somebody was pulling your leg because he was so animated so over the top. Top. It was like someone you would cast to be a defense attorney in a movie, and he as what he believes are the answers as to why his client is still innocent, and he's saying it's extortion and the witnesses. This was their plan all along to extort these NFL players says he doesn't know anything about what's going on with Quinton. Dunbar, and his attorney and all that stuff, but as far as the Andre Baker is concerned. He was at the party. Yes, but he brought his madden game there he was logged in. He was playing madden and he has nothing to do with it and people are just trying to get money out of him, and that's why the witnesses are changing. So I he sounded like a character I. Guess is where you're going with that and to. It sounds like they're claiming that the money was part of the setup. To the extortion case. That's what he is claiming. As far as his clients concern, he said a couple of times Dunbar was brought up. He said I have no idea I can't speak for him I. CAn't speak for Greco the attorney. I don't know what they're doing what they did or didn't do. But as far as Andre Baker is concerned I can guarantee you. That is what he was saying I can guarantee. He went there. He was there sure, but he was playing mad and he was logged in. He brought his mad game to the party. WHO BRINGS A mad game to a party to rob it this? This is what his take wasn't. And he and the whole text message, thing or the The DM about I mean the city now. How much money do I need? He said that he was with the Andre. Baker when he sent that, and that was them beating those people into thinking he was going to bring money and how it was. It was their idea to set up the extortionist so I mean. I'll tell you this much. It's a great excuse for that text message. Is it not whether it's true or not but I just I don't know what to believe anymore i. Don't know, does it does create doubt I mean especially if he can. These documents to prove like there was email exchanges between him, and Baker back and forth all right here's. How will handle this? Here's how we will make sure we get. You cleared to show that what they're doing to. You is wrong. I. Suppose it's a great plan and its pause again. It's possible that goes back to the first day. We thought guilty second day. We thought well, maybe not. Yesterday guilty today, maybe not I mean. Who knows I really does because that is, that is interesting that he saying he was with him. Because what was the one criticism that the two of US had yesterday of this whole thing was. How could you be that stupid to be on camera in your own building and not realize it and that and that wasn't. Baker or It was the news. The other atoll that was that was Greco in Dunbar and he kept saying I. Don't know I can't speak for them I don't know what they did, so he? He was distancing himself from them. He's just he's been hired to protect the Andre. And that's what he's doing. So I just? So the one thing that resonated with me more than the story about the text message was the fact that he has not been charged yet. Andrea Baker right so he keeps saying he kept saying that. Why. This is such a great case. It was so slam dunk, and you see the warrant you read it then then how come we've been waiting around this entire time? And he has not been charged per month, right? It's got him yeah. I. Think longer. Now I think it was in May. Maybe that happened so yeah, so that to me makes sense the whole. I'm going to try to bait the extortionist thing in unless you're working with the police and he claims there has been some dialogue between the police and him unless you're instructed by the police do that. That's a dangerous game to play as you. You say because then you've got to explain to everybody. No, no I'm not trying to pay these guys I'm trying to set them up like they set me up doesn't seem smart in that situation. If you feel like you're being extorted, you say hey to the police department I'm being extorted by people. I can prove it. How do you want me to handle it? As opposed to taking it into your own hands, it sounds like an old matlock episode. Yeah, well I. Mean That's what he said this Patrick or tells us. This is going to be a movie. So might be. It might be again if he's got documentation with emails whether it's between him and his client or him, and the police are someone within the police department that I would think that would clear his client very quickly. And you do wonder what the hell is taking so long either way either let him go or to arrest or indict them or whatever you have to like. Let's go if there are charges. Bring them up and not let them go and let them continue with his life. If you don't have evidence, and if what he is saying is true, then it's. It's not fair. Let's move on, yeah and the other side of this about as far as the money being paid out in the bags filled with money. If you're telling me that someone is trying to extort me for something, I didn't do, and I'm that confident and not doing it I'm not handing them over fifty five thousand dollars to change their story. So, that's another red flag for me in the other direction so I I it seems to me that Dunbar and his attorney. There's there's more on them than than Baker and his attorney right now, basically the only thing that's a smoking gun for De'andre Baker is that message that says I'm in the city. And how much money do you need? And then that Guy Johnson, who was somehow involved to his according to Patrick Patel the attorney is the mastermind to this whole thing. Him saying these guys are GONNA leave. Where are you type of deal? Which Patel explained was just putting pressure on De'andre back to hurry up and get the money because he was getting extorted. So it's crazy. It's it's one of the most bizarre tales I have heard in sports because of all the different stories that have come out and we still don't know I. Mean if I've found out that this extortionist claim was real. I believe it. You're just like I would believe if the are robbery. Thing was true at this point. We believe aliens. Let's be honest. I believe in alien I think so I believe in anything. For the most part. Is Why if you're the giants? What do you do? I'm sure they still have no idea no idea. I said I stand by what I said yesterday I. If I'm the giants, I, go right to that police department I say lay out all the evidence for me. The Look at explain to me if I have any questions what it is, give your opinion I don't want your opinion. I just want to know and I want to make a determination on my own so then. I'm comfortable with it and then I'll say if it ends up that he gets. Charges dropped or nothing. Nothing comes out of it I would say I looked at the evidence, and I felt comfortable that we didn't want this player on our roster, or I looked at the evidence, and I felt comfortable that the player was on a roster, and so that's what so I wasn't using somebody else's opinion, charges, or not charges, or whatever to keep the player I would have to look at it myself and make that determination. I can't wait for games to come back. Yeah, well something. Do you think about the topics that we've covered the last several months. Like what we've done to get through this time period. It is really remarkable. We've had the cross section of Sports Allah ticks and social issues in that too i. mean that's. That's been the other health and wellness. Yeah I. Mean You Pat Athletes that have in this is why it's been. It's always ended up back in our laps right, which is you have athletes who have gotten sick? You've had the drew brees conversation of just showing Jackson conversation. You've had the Andre Baker in this crime situa- everything. The restart of how you're going to start the league's up. Yeah, it's yeah, it's been still so many questions. We get zooey sitting here. It's not out of the realm of possibility to think we could still be sitting here a month from now with not one game having been played because it's that delicate of a situation across the board. Yeah, I, have to say that I am I am used to it now like the the couple of days that we had stuff to. To break down like whether it was the draft, or whatever, or maybe even the last dance, we would talk about that, and there was something fresh to talk about Alec sure it was. If different felt good. It was something that we you know we. We watched it and we talked about it, but on the days like today when there's like nothing like that to break down, and it's just another one of these corona virus days I've gotten so used to it that. It's games coming back. Of course we all want that. Trust me. We all want it, but I can live in this world now. 'cause I'm just so used to it. This is reality I mean. When we always make fun of the phrase of the new normal now over used it as Moses, this is it. This is the reality, so you either adjust or you don't so I mean for for those who are? Drowning in the shows, her like I can't know what to do. Well, this might this might be it, so you got to figure it out right. I mean that's that's the way I look at it is. You gotta just like with anything else in life? Man Like you know, something unexpected comes along you either. Let it knock you out, or you somehow find a way to adjust and overcome I think it's very possible. We ended up getting stuff back through like October. And then we have another dead period for when stuff returns in January and I. I think that's very possible. Whether or not the NFL college basketball the NBA coming back. I I don't know that these sports are going to go through everything and finish up. Wrap up the end, of October, maybe early November, whatever it might be, and then say December. Fifteenth were back like I think there's GonNa be a break in between, and if there's no football I, think we could be looking at like the month of December or the mother with nothing again when you know what perennial pro plenty of pra