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The Eric Metaxas Show
John Zmirak and Eric Discuss Samuel Alito's Dismantling of Roe V Wade
"Samuel Alito, in his decision overturning roe V wade and Planned Parenthood V Casey, he doesn't talk about the morality of abortion. He doesn't talk about the unborn baby being human. He doesn't talk about Christianity. What he does is exactly what the lawyers did in the movie denial. Systematically dismantles the false intentionally deceptive, shallow, dishonest arguments offered in roe V wade and Planned Parenthood V Casey to pretend that the U.S. Constitution as adopted in 1787 and amended after the Civil War to pretend that the constitution secretly entailed the right to abortion. And he systematically obliterates all the arguments offered by the left in favor of abortion being protected by the U.S. Constitution. He doesn't show that they're false. He shows that they're garbage. They're garbage. They're worse actually than David Irving's falsification. But just to be clear, so the parallels clear to those listening in case people are missing it. In other words, rather than play to the crowd, knowing that abortion is a monstrous evil, just like we know what happened in the Holocaust is a monster evil. Rather than doing that, what Alito does just as Deborah lipstadt's lawyers do. They effectively say, no, we're going to pitch our argument at the legal experts. Right. We're going to show legally bloodlessly how this fails completely on a legal basis on a basis of fact, we're going to take a motion out of it, not that emotions ought to be taken out of it. But these are the tax taken by the lawyers in that case. And then by Sam Alito, so that's a brilliant parallel. That's
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Let me remind you, speaking of movies, if you go to Salem now, dot com, you will find a host of things from which to choose the movie, no vacancy, which is starring dean Cain and Sean young. It's a true story about a church that gets involved in the neighborhood serving the poor, it's kind of an amazing story. It's called no vacancy, Salem now dot com when you're at Salem now dot com. You can also check out border battle, which is a TV series, a streaming series. I think there's 6 episodes now, which completes the series. So it's border battle. It's at Salem now dot com. Check it out. So speaking of movies, John, you and I talking about movies and you're giving us the rundown on this 2016 film called denial starring Rachel Weisz. And I just want to say really clearly, I love highlighting things. People say, well, talk about what's out now. And I think, no, why? Why? If I can find the book now that came out ten years ago, or if I can watch the film that came out 6 years ago, why wouldn't I want to watch it? Why do I care if it's the new thing? So thank you for finding something from 2016. That's worth revisiting. Yeah, it's on Netflix. You can stream it at any moment, and it's fascinating, and it's powerful. And it is dealing with one of the most fundamental evils in the history of mankind. The Nazi attempt to exterminate God's own people in the heart of Christian Europe. It's still shocking when you step back and think about it. So in the film, Deborah lipstadt reluctantly kicking and screaming all in a wonderful queen's accent, allows her stuffy British legal team to do it their way to go through and sweat all the details of David Irvin's books thousands and thousands of pages and documents in German and Russian and Polish and yiddish and tedious, unbelievable work of the kind that only illegal team would do. In order to demonstrate a persistent pattern of lying and distortion all with one goal to mitigate Hitler's guilt to obfuscate the intentional plan to exterminate the Jews to shift the guilt away from upper level Nazis onto lower level people or the forces of chance, the weather, disease, finding every excuse possible to mitigate the guilt of Nazi mass murderers. And what I found fascinating about it as I watched it. And this is something which I think if Rachel Weisz or Deborah lipstadt reads my review, they will be horrified. I thought this reminds me of reading Samuel Alito's majority opinion in the Dobbs decision..
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"That's a rather high bar to meet. And so the movie denial from 2016 is a courtroom drama. All about the effort to sift through all of David Irving's works and all the documents and going to go to actually Auschwitz and it's a very, very powerful scene filmed at Auschwitz, where the character of Rachel Deborah lipstadt and her legal team, they go and they visit this mass grave of Europe's Jews and millions of others. And then they have to go into court to argue against this funny persuasive witty seductive David Irving, who is a good demagogue. He's good at swaying people. He's a skilled and practiced persuader and in this case liar. So the question is, will there be a jury trial? Will will they have to drag survivors of the Holocaust onto the witness stand to testify? Deborah lipstadt wants to bring the Holocaust survivors and have them testify. She wants to lay out all the horror of the Holocaust in the courtroom. And her legal team says, no, that's not how things work in a British court. They don't have a jury. They managed to get a trial with just a judge because they're worried David Irving could persuade a historically ignorant jury. David Irving is relying on is the fog of war. The thousands of documents, the fact that the Nazis never had a written exterminate the Jews order come down from Hitler. They intentionally did it orally in meetings. They didn't write it down. We even have a speech by himmler to Nazi death camp commanders imposing Poland where he says, this is a great page of glory of German history that has not been written and never will be written. And we may not speak about what we must do to the Jews, but we must do it, but we must never speak about it. I mean, we have that document. So David Irving is relying on the fog of war and the intentional deceptiveness and ambiguity the Nazis hid behind in order not to leave a paper trail. I mean, that alone is fascinating. The Nazis cared whether they left a paper trail. I mean, can to do something this unspeakably satanic and evil. And to worry about leaving a paper trail, very, very bizarre in its own way. It is, it is. And people like David Irving, who become convinced of this Holocaust revisionist idea, they latch on to that. So the whole drama of the movie is will Deborah lipstick cooperate with her British lawyers who know the system or will she give in to her passion to tell the truth and bring witnesses and confront this man over his evil because what her legal team wants to do, they want to be real detail oriented. They want to be niggly and fanatical and sweat all the details of David Irvin's writings to prove, hey, here you distorted this document. Here, you mistranslated this word. Hey, here you left out a key phrase. Here you fudge the numbers. This really patient tedious niggling scholarly thing to show his intent in denying the Holocaust. And what's fascinating is watching Deborah lipstadt kind of climb down off her high horse and admit, I have to play this game according to British..
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Well, that's what I know. Somebody's phone number. All right, folks, we're going to go to a break, but we've got plenty of time talking to our friend Johns mirac. We're doing two movie reviews. The first one is 2016. It's called denial, starring Rachel Weisz. We're talking about that now. And we'll talk about other movies when we come back. Don't forget to please sign up for my newsletter at Eric metaxas dot com. We'll be right back. And you can be with me neither way through the case of our. Garden now. Tell me Eric, why is relief factor so successful at lowering or eliminating pain? I'm often asked that question, the owners of relief factor tell me they believe our bodies were designed to heal. That's right, designed to heal, and I agree with them. So the doctors who formulated relief factor for them selected the four best ingredients, yes, 100% drug free ingredients, each helps your body deal with inflammation. Each of the four ingredients deals with inflammation from a different metabolic pathway. And that right there approaching from four different angles may be why so many people find such wonderful relief. So if you've got back pain, shoulder neck hip knee or foot pain from exercise or just getting older, you should order the three week quick start discounted to only 1995 to see if it will work for you. It works for me. It has for about 70% of the half a million people who've tried it and have ordered more, go to relief factor dot com or call 800 for relief to find out about this offer, feel the difference. Folks I'm talking to John Z mirac, that's the good news. There's more good news. We're talking about films that we think you might want to see. The first one, John, you've written about at stream dot org. It's called denial came out in 2016, starring Rachel wise. And you said to give us the background, there was a novelist, an historical novelist. No, no, historian. Straight up historian. He wrote history books. One of them was called Hitler's war. That was maybe his most famous book. And they were originally mainstream histories of World War II in the background. And then he became convinced of Holocaust revision and revisionism. And went back and changed his books to remove any reference to the Holocaust and to suggest that the Jews who died during World War II had died accidentally, like of typhoid or of just war related war related things that there was no concerted plan by the Nazis to exterminate the Jews. And he relentlessly propagated this through his books and made speeches about it. Well, Deborah lipstadt, who is a mainstream kind of left wing but not crazy communist mainstream left wing historian herself Jewish from queens, wonderful queens accent, she wrote a book about Paula's denial and she referred to David Irving as one of the more despicable practitioners of it. And she disparaged him as he deserves. He decided in a great moment of hubris like Hitler invading Russia, he decided to sue her in British court for libel. Now, in British court, if you claim somebody is labeling you, you have the advantage. All you have to show is that they wrote something that makes you look bad. If that's it, and then if they want to defend themselves, they have to prove that it was true. The burden of proof is on the accused in libel cases in Britain. Which is so it was Deborah lipstadt and her publisher's job to prove in court that David Irving had intentionally and knowingly lied about the Holocaust in a systematic way that he knew better and had a malicious intent to falsify history..
People of the Pod
"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"Special envoy for combating anti semitism and the delegitimization of Israel. She is with us now to discuss this role and her book available on September 20th in paperback, Israel, a simple guide to the most misunderstood country on earth. Noah, welcome to people of the pod. Thank you. Great to be here. So you and other envoys from around the world will be testifying on Friday before Congress on the need to hold social media companies accountable for anti semitism that happens to be on their platforms. You have been one of the leading activists targeting this problem for gosh more than a decade now. What are you going to share during that congressional hearing? So we are gathered together. It's called a bipartisan task force for combating online anti semitism. They're going to be 7 countries represented with 16 parliamentarians and piano number one is going to be the special envoys, which is Deborah lipstadt and me and we'll see who else is coming tomorrow. I would not clear a 100% Erwin kotler probably. And the second panel is going to be the social media company. We're obviously going to discuss the obvious problem of how anti semitism is spreading out online these days and how it's actually spreading out much more than it ever did or ever could have. But I'm going to shift the focus to the numbers of what online antisemitism is. The bottom line is that the vast majority of online antisemitism is not coming from right wing and it's not coming from Holocaust now and distortion. It's coming from anti Israel rhetoric. And anti Zionism. And the linkage is blood liable about Israel, right? So like Israel is a genocide state or an ethnic cleansing state that seeped through and transform and transmutes immediately into kids on college be harassed and attacked.
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"We knew that this would be interesting. But I think it's been much more than that. And in some ways, it's been instructive. What you've both done is illuminate to us very clearly where the challenges are and where the opportunities are. So we thank you. We appreciate your friendship. And as we move forward throughout the day, I think we'll be thinking about a lot of things that we heard here this morning. If you missed last week's episode, be sure to listen to Deborah lipstadt and Katarina von schnurbein, discussing how governments can win the fight against anti semitism, and don't forget to subscribe to the forgotten exodus wherever you subscribe to your favorite podcasts. Thank you for listening. This episode is brought to you by AJC, our producer is atara lacquer. Our sound engineer is TK Broderick. You can subscribe to people of the pod on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or Google podcasts. Or learn more at AJC dot org slash people of the pod. The views and opinions of our guests don't necessarily reflect the positions of AJC. We'd love to hear your views and opinions or your questions. You can reach us at people of the pod at AJC dot org. If you've enjoyed this episode, please be sure to tell your Friends, tag us on social media with hashtag people of the pod and hop on to Apple podcasts to rate us and write a review to help more listeners find us. Tune in next week for another episode of people of the pod.
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"Opinions worldwide team of editors and columnists I'm your host June grosso This week Exxon's move toward partial net zero emissions and the possibility of an all in one coronavirus vaccine Also on the show mortgage rates are rising but be careful before you panic buy your next home Plus not a fan of instant coffee why the COVID era food fad may be worth a try But first recently in colleyville Texas rabbi Charlie citron walker was held hostage with three of his congregants at Beth Israel synagogue Thankfully they all got out alive but the rabbi recalled how fearful they were as they escaped It was really bad I was absolutely in fear of my life Why was the synagogue targeted FBI special agent in charge Matthew disarmo offered this reason We believe that he committed an act of terror based on an anti semitic worldview in order to secure the release of a convicted terrorist That's what we believe That's what we believe is his motive Many anti semitic incidents are taking place across the world They're nearing record highs in the United States by most measures and both at home and abroad anti Jewish conspiracy theories have festered Bloomberg's editorial board says curbing these incidents will require American leadership and opinion editor nissa hajari argues that one significant action could and should be taken in the U.S. Senate with a vote on a particular State Department nominee Explain how anti semitism is growing globally This has been a long time scourge obviously but we've seen there was already a rise after Donald Trump took office in 2016 And then the pandemic in 2020s spawned a whole host of new conspiracy theories blaming Jewish figures like George Soros and so on for various things And then separately there was also about a fighting in Gaza in the spring of 2021 which gave rise to various attacks around Europe and even in the U.S. So it's a problem that's been there for a long time and is as intense now as ever So President Biden has selected Deborah lipstadt to have the State Department's office for combating anti semitism Who is she As a quite well respected professor at Emory university she's a renowned Holocaust scholar which is probably best known There was a movie made about a case where she took on a Holocaust denier in Britain And one And she's well respected across the political aisle in various at least 20 Jewish groups have come out of support of her candidacy And she is well regarded But Senate Republicans are holding up her confirmation vote That's correct President Biden nominated her last July And the nomination is still on hold right now And it's not entirely clear why there is some indication that Republicans are angry with comments She has made criticizing some of their members What can an anti semitism envoy accomplish There's quite a bit This is a position that's been in place since the George W. Bush administration So there have been four previous envoys and they've each taken on different issues to focus on They've had an impact on revising textbooks and Saudi Arabia for instance to remove anti Jewish tropes They have helped persuade countries around the world to adopt a uniform definition of anti semitism They have in cases quietly helped vulnerable and Jewish families and communities in countries around the world such as Yemen escape to safety And they've kept a spotlight on the issue And various countries particularly in Europe have also instituted a similar office perhaps inspired by the U.S. example So what do you see as the consequences of leaving this post open The danger here is that your politicizing which should not be a partisan position at all I mean this is something that everyone across the house should agree on And if you're holding it up for partisan reasons then you start to inject politics into something where it doesn't belong All they really need to do is for the nomination put it to a vote if in the unlikely case that she doesn't win approval then you can go from there but it's almost certain that she would Who is the previous envoy under former president Donald Trump and what did he accomplish So Donald Trump they left the position open for the first two years and the administration and that caused a bit of controversy in itself And then the man that they nominated sort of made it more of his focus to focus on anti semitism as he saw it on U.S. campuses which is again something where there is debate over the limits of free speech in the limits of criticisms The Israeli government and so on But more broadly this is the State Department anti semitism envoy there They're real focus should be on anti semitism globally not in the U.S. Is there anything Biden can do in addition to filling this post Well I think the most important thing for Biden and for Secretary of State Antony Blinken is to say loudly and clearly and often from the top that this is a priority This is a problem There's one that they see a U.S. role for combating and that they want to get to corporation not just from other countries but importantly the same resources may send a signal to the rest of the bureaucracy in the U.S. in the State Department so that embassies around the world know that they should lend the envoy their support should help out in any way that they can't because sometimes it's hard You have these special envoys for particular issues And they don't have a huge staff They don't have a huge budget and they rely on help from other parts of the U.S. government And so having the signals sent from the top that that helps should be provided is quite important Thanks Nissan That's Nisha jari editor for Bloomberg opinion Coming up on Bloomberg opinion Pfizer and Moderna are working on.
Bloomberg Radio New York
"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"Comments and insights from Bloomberg opinions worldwide team of editors and columnists I'm your host Jim Rosso This week Exxon's move toward partial net zero emissions and the possibility of an all in one coronavirus vaccine Also on the show mortgage rates are rising but be careful before you panic buy your next home Plus not a fan of instant coffee why the COVID era food fad may be worth a try But first recently in Khalil Texas rabbi Charlie citron walker was held hostage with three of his congregants at Beth Israel synagogue Thankfully they all got out alive but the rabbi recalled how fearful they were as they escaped It was really bad I was absolutely in fear of my life Why was the synagogue targeted FBI special agent in charge Matthew disarmo offered this reason We believe that he committed an act of terror based on an anti semitic worldview in order to secure the release of a convicted terrorist That's what we believe That's what we believe was his motive Many anti semitic incidents are taking place across the world They're nearing record highs in the United States by most measures and both at home and abroad anti Jewish conspiracy theories have festered Bloomberg's editorial board says curbing these incidents will require American leadership and opinion editor nishi hajjar argues that one significant action could and should be taken in the U.S. Senate with a vote on a particular State Department nominee Explain how anti semitism is growing globally This has been a long time scourge obviously but we've seen there was already a rise after Donald Trump took office in 2016 And then the pandemic in 2020 is spawned a whole host of new conspiracy theories blaming Jewish figures like George Soros and so on for various things And then separately there was also about a fighting in Gaza and the spring of 2021 which gave rise to various attacks around Europe and even in the U.S. So it's a problem that's been there for a long time and is as intense now as ever So President Biden has selected Deborah lipstadt to have the State Department's office for combating anti semitism Who is she As a quite well respected professor at Emory university she is a renowned Holocaust scholar which is probably best known There was a movie made about a case where she took on a Holocaust denier in Britain And one And she's well respected across the political aisle in various at least 20 Jewish groups have come out and supported her candidacy And she is well regarded But Senate Republicans are holding up her confirmation vote That's correct President Biden nominated her last July And the nomination is still on hold right now And it's not entirely clear why there is some indication that Republicans are angry with comments She has made criticizing some of their members What can an anti semitism envoy accomplish There's quite a bit This is a position that's been in place since the George W. Bush administration So there have been four previous envoys and they've each taken on different issues to focus on They've had an impact on revising textbooks and Saudi Arabia for instance to remove anti Jewish tropes They have helped persuade countries around the world to adopt a uniform definition of anti semitism They have in cases quietly helped vulnerable Jewish families and communities in countries around the world such as Yemen escaped to safety And they kept a spotlight on the issue And various countries particularly in Europe have also instituted a similar office perhaps inspired by the U.S. example So what do you see as the consequences of leaving this post open You know the danger here is that your politicizing which should not be a partisan position at all I mean this is something that everyone across sales should agree on And if you're holding it up for partisan reasons then you start to take politics into something where it doesn't belong All they really need to do is for the nomination put it to a vote if in the unlikely case if she doesn't win approval then you can go from there but it's almost certain that she would Who is the previous envoy under former president Donald Trump and what did he accomplish So Donald Trump they left the position open for the first two years and the administration And that caused a bit of controversy in itself And then the man that the nominated sort of made it more of his focus to focus on antisemitism as he saw it on U.S. campuses which is again something where there is debate over the limits of free speech in the limits of criticism The Israeli government and so on But more broadly this is the State Department anti semitism envoy there are real focus should be on anti semitism globally not in the U.S. Is there anything Biden can do in addition to filling this post Well I think the most important thing for Biden and for Secretary of State Antony Blinken is to say loudly and clearly and often from the top that this is a priority that this is a problem It is one that they see a U.S. role for combating and that they want to get corporation not just from other countries but importantly the same research as they send a signal to the rest of the bureaucracy in the U.S. and the State Department so that embassies around the world know that they should lend the envoy their support should help out in any way that they can't because sometimes it's hard You have these special envoys for particular issues And they don't have a huge staff They don't have a huge budget and they rely on help from other parts of the U.S. government And so having a signal sent from the top that that helps should be provided is quite important Thanks Nissan That's nicita jari editor for Bloomberg opinion Coming up on Bloomberg opinion Pfizer and Moderna are working on a.
Bloomberg Radio New York
"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"Los Angeles Rams for the NFC championship and tickets to Sunday's game are selling fast According to StubHub the championship game may become the bestselling playoff game in the company's history the ticket marketplace reported Thursday that 77% of tickets have been sold to fans within the Golden State And that's the very latest I'm Jim Forbes Now this Bloomberg sports update Frederick cadre scored the time breaking goal early in the third period of the Minnesota wild beat the rangers three to two on Friday night following the Jersey retirement ceremony for Henrik lundquist Kevin fiela and manzo gorilla a former ranger each had a goal and an assist to extend their point streaks to ten games and can Talbot a back up to long quest for two seasons stop 25 shots for the wild Minnesota one for the 7th time and 8 games Chris grinder got his NHL leading 31st goal of the season and Barclay goodrow also scored for the rangers rangers had a two nothing lead after one period the wild chipped away Igor shark and had 31 saves the rangers of outlaws two straight after winning 9 of 12 The islanders and Devils had Friday off Now this afternoon's game between the Seattle kraken and the islanders at UBS arena has been moved to Wednesday because of the impending snowstorm the Devils will be at Carolina at 7 later this evening The next lose their third in a row final score in Milwaukee was one 23 to one O 8 and in 48 leading the next with 25 points RJ Barrett with 23 Linux had Friday off they're going to be a Golden State later tonight at 8 30 and for the second year in a row that's forward Kevin Durant was the leading vote getter in the Eastern Conference He'll be one of the two All-Star Game team captains The Giants are set to hire Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Brian davell as their new head coach they ball replaces Joe judge who won just ten games in two seasons the third consecutive coach fired after only two seasons with the team known for his offensive mind Dave all had buffalo in the top 5 of the National Football League in offense each of the past two seasons and the news comes just a week after the team hired Buffalo Bill's assistant general manager Joe Shane to be their new general manager With a Bloomberg sports update I'm Tom Rogers Bloomberg opinion informed perspectives and expert data driven commentary on breaking news Welcome to Bloomberg opinion on Bloomberg radio Bring you news comments and insights from Bloomberg opinions worldwide team of editors and columnists I'm your host Jew Rosso This week Exxon's move toward partial net zero emissions and the possibility of an all in one coronavirus vaccine Also on the show mortgage rates are rising but be careful before you panic buy your next home Plus not a fan of instant coffee why the COVID era food fad may be worth a try But first recently in khaliev Texas rabbi Charlie citron walker was held hostage with three of his congregants at Beth Israel synagogue Thankfully they all got out alive but the rabbi recalled how fearful they were as they escaped It was really bad I was absolutely in fear of my life Why was the synagogue targeted FBI special agent in charge Matthew disarmo offered this reason We believe that he committed an act of terror based on an anti semitic worldview in order to secure the release of a convicted terrorist That's what we believe That's what we believe is his motive Many anti semitic incidents are taking place across the world They're nearing record highs in the United States by most measures and both at home and abroad anti Jewish conspiracy theories have festered Bloomberg's editorial board says curbing these incidents will require American leadership and opinion at her nissa hajari argues that one significant action could and should be taken in the U.S. Senate with a vote on a particular State Department nominee Explain how anti semitism is growing globally This has been a long time scourge obviously but we've seen there was already a rise after Donald Trump took office in 2016 And then the pandemic in 2020s spawned a whole host of new conspiracy theories blaming Jewish figures like George Soros and so on for various things And then separately there was also about a fighting in Gaza in the spring of 2021 which gave rise to various attacks around Europe and even in the U.S. So it's a problem that's been there for a long time and is as intense now as ever So President Biden has selected Deborah lipstadt to have the State Department's office for combating anti semitism Who is she As a quite well respected professor at Emory university she is a renowned Holocaust scholar which is probably best known There was a movie made about a case where she took on a Holocaust denier in Britain And one And she's well respected across the political aisle in various at least 20 Jewish groups have come out of support of her candidacy And she is well regarded But Senate Republicans are holding up her confirmation vote That's correct President Biden nominated her last July And the nomination is still on hold right now And it's not entirely clear why there is some indication that Republicans are angry with comments She has made criticizing some of their members What can an anti semitism envoy accomplish There's quite a bit This is a position that's been in place since the George W. Bush administration So there have been four previous envoys and they've each taken on different issues to focus on They've had an impact on revising textbooks and Saudi Arabia for instance to remove anti Jewish tropes They have helped persuade countries around the world to adopt a uniform definition of antisemitism They have in cases quietly helped vulnerable and Jewish families and communities in countries around the world Such as Yemen escaped to safety And they kept a spotlight on the issue And various countries particularly in Europe have also instituted a similar office perhaps inspired by the U.S. example So what do you see as the consequences of leaving this post open The danger here is that your politicizing which should not be a partisan position at all I mean this is something that everyone across sales should agree on And if you're holding it up for partisan reasons then you start to inject politics into something where it doesn't belong All they really need to do is forward the nomination put it to a vote if in the.
People of the Pod
"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"So I would love to say that we are on a linear path downward from the heights of anti semitism in the mid 20th century with a steady decline and obviously in many ways we have made a lot of progress. We have. Look at Germany. The perpetrator of the endless song, the final solution is now a democratic country in the heart of Europe with a growing Jewish community and a very strong consistent voice against anti semitism, which has not eliminated anti semitism. However, it's made clear on what side the Germany of today's stands and I would add by the way that with maybe one or two exceptions literally, no European country today has the government that supports advocates, anti semitism. It's a far cry from the past. Not to speak of how much progress Jews have made in the United States. So when we speak about anti semitism today, obviously, we take note of the rise. Obviously, there's the shadow of Pittsburgh and hallway in Charlottesville and Jersey City and Muncie, New York and street attacks. In Brooklyn and Manhattan and Los Angeles and now colleague, Texas. So there is what to worry about. We need more films, more books, more of everything to combat it, but what we're talking about minor suggests the resilience of anti semitism. Its ability both to persist in its old forms and to reimagine itself in new forms and that means that unless and until either Moderna or Pfizer comes up with the vaccine and then the regular booster shots, we're going to need more courageous people like Deborah lips that more organizations like American Jewish committee, more leaders like German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who just left her post. And more reminders of the importance of Israel to the Jewish people in the world in order to stay strong and to continue to fight against this very resistant virus. Well, David, thank you so much for joining us and reminding us that anti semitism can be both blatant and insidious, and it is, as you said, quite resistant. But we will continue the fight. Thank you so much. Thank you, mania. In case you missed it, be sure to listen to our conversation earlier this week with three Jewish and Muslim leaders about what it was like on the ground during the hostage situation at congregation Beth Israel and colleyville, Texas. And tune in next week for our episode marking international Holocaust remembrance, in which we learn about the lost Jewish community of monaster, from ladino singer and songwriter, Sarah, ara west. Please.
People of the Pod
"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"In such a way that even other anti semites found that they couldn't after the experiences, particularly of Germany, but also of the Soviet Union and communism, they couldn't publicly appeal to a broader audience based on antisemitism. So what do they have to do? Well, in some cases, what they had to do was try to deny the obvious that there was a Holocaust that was anti semitism that that was the purpose of Hitler's Third Reich. I mean, even at the end of the war, even as Germany was losing the war in its final months and weeks, the idea that it was diverting, precious resources, trains, soldiers, equipment, to trying to murder still more Jews, even if it meant jeopardizing the defense of the Germans against the oncoming allies. Till the last day they were killing the Jews. That's how determined they were. So this plus the fact that now along comes the State of Israel after the war. And here is a convenient way for the discredited anti semites. The most VM at the mungo to say, well, wait a second. Hitler installing made it hard for us because there were lots of people who make not like Jews, but it doesn't necessarily mean they want to embrace Auschwitz as the solution to the Jews that may be going a step too far. But now we have an alternative opportunity. Let's leave that hilarion anti semitism behind, and let's instead focus not on the Jews as individuals, but the Jewish state and we'll call it the State of Israel and as a result by calling it Israel and not Jews or that you were state. We have a new lease on life. So we can go after the Jews again, but masquerading it as nothing to do with Jews God forbid, but having something to do with this one state in the world that is now deemed a pariah state. It happens to be the only majority Jewish state in the world. But for the hardcore anti semites who couldn't quite make it into mainstream society with their distortion in their denial, here was an alternate pathway, and maybe the dirt David Irving trial to circle back again was one of the final nails in the coffin. Yeah, you can still be a denier or a disorder..
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"In German is called the end Los Angeles, the final solution, which by 1945 had witnessed an unprecedented genocide of a people 6 million of 9 million European Jews were systematically industrially annihilated, including 1.5 million children in sites whose names have become infamous in world history from Auschwitz and beer canal to Treblinka to Bergen belsen to Baba YR to buchenwald to Dachau. I can keep going. All of that Manu was at stake. All of that hung in the balance because his questioning did these camps really exist was zyklon B really a poison gas, where she was really mass murdered. All of those things had been called into question by him, either directly or indirectly. That was what was on trial and Deborah lips that was there because she to her. Everlasting credit had called him out on it. She had the courage and the conviction, and by the way, the credentials, as an outstanding Holocaust scholar a tenured professor at Emory university to do so. And I think all of us Jews and non Jews alike were committed to the preservation of history in this history in particular, a debt of gratitude to Deborah that's almost beyond description. I mean, words sort of fail me because words become inadequate. She, in that London courtroom, which I visited, which other AJC, colleagues visited and by the way, a big shout out to AJC Atlanta. They knew her very well from her connection to Emory. And within our AJC Atlanta office and among our late leaders, they basically created a schedule where every week or two weeks or three weeks, another member of the AJC community would travel from Atlanta to be in London to sit in the courtroom if Deborah was up for it to take her out for dinner or for a drink. In other words, to try and ensure that she never, ever felt alone. That was the AJC goal and I'm immensely proud not just of our fundraising responsibility, but also the fact that on a very human level, we were there, they in and day out until the verdict came. At the time, were there any clues of other expressions of anti semitism by David Irving. In other words, had he proved himself to be an anti semite in other ways besides Holocaust denial. The one who would have the files of this would be Deborah lips that, of course, but I can tell you this, though it's now, you know, two decades and more in the past. When this court action surfaced, it was not as if David Irving was a brand new name to all of us. All of us at least in this part of the world, all of us knew him. We knew of him. We had heard of him. We had heard some of his other allegations. And the danger of David Irving was not just in what he said, mania. There are a lot of people out there, then and now who say this stuff, the Holocaust never happened, the numbers are exaggerated. The conditions weren't as bad as it's being described. The Jews are manipulating the Holocaust for their own purposes. Whatever the assertions and allegations are, David Irving was not alone, then or now, but and it's a huge but he cloaked himself in an aura of respectability. He didn't just try and cater to the lunatics on the far extremes of society. You know, that part's easy..
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"Oh, a very early on. By the way, it's important to point out to people of the pod listeners. Something that may strike at least the American listeners as odd in your opening, you spoke about the fact that she, Deborah lips, that had to defend her claim. In Britain, it's precisely because he David Irving brought the lawsuit very consciously in Britain not the United States. In doing so, the libel laws are reversed in terms of proof. It's not he who had to prove in court his case. It's cheap who had to prove in the British court her case. In other words, the stakes in this case could not have been higher. It was not just about Deborah lipstick, or what she wrote. What was in the docket, if you will, was actually the truth about the Holocaust. If the verdict in this case had been anything other than a resounding, unequivocal defeat of David Irving, the shockwaves would have been worldwide and would be felt until this day..
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"Committee. Each week, we take you beyond the headlines to help you understand what they all mean for America, Israel, and the Jewish people. I'm your host, mania bushire pashman. In.
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"193 down by 6 tenths of 1% Ten Europe 1130 seconds ten year yield 1.83% spot gold up 1.6% 1842 the onsen crude pushing higher up at a 7 year high up by 1.3% 86 53 for a barrel of WTI Among the companies reporting earnings after the closing bell Alcoa united discover financial and Kinder Morgan Briefly sources tell Bloomberg PepsiCo and beyond meat are planning a vegan jerky snack This is the first product in their joint venture I'm Charlie pellet That is a Bloomberg business flash Thank you so much for that update Charlie pellet It's three 48 on Wall Street The following is an editorial from Bloomberg opinion The recent hostage crisis at a Texas synagogue is a reminder that anti semitism is a growing threat The idea that lawmakers would block any efforts to fight it is shameful Yet that's arguably what Senate Republicans are doing In July Joe Biden nominated the renowned Holocaust scholar Deborah lipstadt to helm the State Department's office for combating anti semitism Her nomination has remained stalled ever since Republicans on the foreign relations committee appear peaked by a tweet lip stat wrote in March criticizing a senator in their party But lip stant is no mere partisan having tried it lawmakers on the left as well as the right and no one doubts her qualifications an author of 6 books on anti semitism and the Holocaust She would bring unparalleled expertise and gravitas to the position Republicans have delayed long enough They should let lipstick nomination move to a vote This editorial was written by the Bloomberg opinion editorial board I'm David chipley For more Bloomberg opinion please go to Bloomberg dot com slash opinion or OPI go on the Bloomberg terminal This has been Bloomberg opinion.
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"Who was.
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"I'm just curious what you make of the report's conclusion i think i will the very existence. The most important thing about the report may be its very existence. Okay and since this is a american. Jewish committee podcast. I wanna give a shout out of well-deserved chatter to police geir who's been with the committee for decades Who has been the human rights activists even when it wasn't very popular to be human rights activists and she is in great measure. You know her. Thumbprints are are all over behind the effort to make this happen. Of course. she's been working on this for years. And it took a secretary. General who was willing. To address it it took a worsening situation sadly the worsening situation made people realize that this was important So i think. And i think it's very important in that regard it's important in that regard also because it's coming out as part of the human rights effort And i think it is crucial and this is a two way street. It's crucial that the human rights community recognize that anti-semitism is part of their agenda just like Fear of muslims just like homophobia just like racism etc etc. It also is important. And that's why what's happened here in in the committee and the the jacob blaustein institute is that we have to recognize that if we're going to ask groups groups that are concerned individuals that concern about anti-semitism. They also have to be concerned about human rights. You can't fight. One is them to the exclusive nature of others but many people who care about anti semitism have been burnt in the past. They said they talk about everything. But not about anti semitism well. Here's here's a maybe. A momentary thing may be a small thing compared to the sea of what came before. But it's a serious effort and it's important effort I was very pleased to have worked a little bit with a doctor. Shaheed in in the framing of this more so my book and my writing see he is acknowledged a where helpful to him. And i think it's a great move in that regard I was also very impressed by the fact that it recognizes that efforts such as b. d. s. can be antisemitic. That's not to say that every student who becomes part of is is necessarily an anti semite but the founders of the movement the creators of the movement clearly called for the destruction the state of israel. They want the end of the state of israel and to me. That's anti-semites and i should also add the doctor. Shaheed you referred to is the un rapporteur who came up with this. Who will and who are there. i mean obviously. It went through many hoops. Nothing comes out of the un without going through many many vetting processes but he was really the driving force. He was the creator he was given the task. He took it on very very seriously. He educated himself and he deserves great credit. For what do you make of the recommendations of the report recommends creating a senior level Person to address anti-semitism it recommends the adoption of the Definition of anti-semitism. That comes from the holocaust remembrance. Alliance i by you without getting nitpicky and into the weeds by and large. I think they're all great efforts and important efforts We don't have to recreate the wheel. But what the report is saying. Both the existence of the report and the contents of the report is that it's time to take this seriously you see for many people Particularly but not only on the progressive left but for many people you look at juice and they say what are they complaining about. you know. they're white even though the for those on the far right. The guy in pittsburgh murderer in pittsburgh was yelling. You walk destroyed the white race. The guy empower was the same kind of thing you jews will not replace us was was because they don't see juices white but on the left And the progressive left. They see jews as white they can pass. They see jesus privilege though we know many jews are not privileged and if you for education jews are highly educated group. They're exactly where they should be. But that doesn't matter they. C jews money jews. Which is you know. Anti-semitism what are the elements of anti-semitism. And they say well. How could you be victims. I mean this is one of the problems. We see on campus. We see the difficulty of campus administrators. Nine out of evil and nine out of latent anti-semitism but they just don't get it. They can't grasp that this group. That's coming in the student coming in from who lives in. I don't know westchester beverly hills. whatever it might be and he saying look you know i i had things yelled at me because i was walking across the campus in yarmuk or things thrown at me or You know people taunted me and what does he complain about it. I want a real problem. And i think this report is an effort to say. This is something that needs to be taken seriously. We need to take the issue seriously. Not just when they're dead bodies lying on the ground. And i i hate to speak so graphically. But they're even people now. We're we're speaking in the wake of the attack in hallo- on yom kippur and there are people in germany saying well. It just destroyed property. Nobody got killed except for the two people outside who weren't even part of the jewish community so but for a bolt on the door it would have been a massacre of immense proportions because these people were in one building inside the building with very little egress and place. The go then then people's is to take seriously this is hate on the right and it must be taken seriously and the other thing i want to say. It's very important. Some people have already done this. They say oh you see. It's more dangerous on the right. We don't have to worry about the left. we don't have to worry about muslim. Hatred or muslim terrorists islamist terrorists But the fact of the matter is coming from both sides. And i think this you know this dance of which is worse you know it becomes like a food fight and and i don't mean to be a jocular in any way but it's the weaponization becomes a political weapon so that i have friends who are very committed on the right and they say it's all about the left then friends on the left to say you see what's happening highway san diego you know. pittsburgh hala Look next to you That's where you have you most credibility right. Look to the person next to you. What are they saying right next to you. Don't just look across the political trans someone. You have a relationship with whom you share common ground right right. My last question to you professor is how does one school themselves in anti-semitism To avoid making antisemitic mistakes that they have heard just in the vernacular overtime or whatever right. the assumption jew all jews a rich. The assumption all juicer powerful assumption. Jus get what they want et cetera. you know by the way this is not the problem relation to anti-semitism. It's also repot in relation to racism. It's a problem i have a. I was at a research institute at emory. A few years ago and i had a colleague from virginia born and raised taught in virginia born and raised someplace else in north carolina. I think and she was of asian origin and she said always people save me. Where are you from. And i say. Virginia the where you really from well. I was raised in north carolina. Where are you really from which they would never say to someone.
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"deborah lipstadt" Discussed on People of the Pod
"Alarmed by a wave of attacks on american jews tied to the recent violence between israel and hamas american jewish committee and others in may press the white house to address a glaring void in the us state department the absence of a special envoy to monitor and combat anti-semitism around the world. This week president biden. Fill that vacancy. With one of america's preeminent jewish historians and holocaust scholars emory university professor. Deborah lipstadt professor. Lipstadt joined us on people at the pod shortly after the release of her latest book anti-semitism here and now a series of letters to an imagined college student and imagined colleague. Both of whom are perplexed by contemporary expressions of the most ancient hatred. We discussed whether the world is sufficiently aware of this ever present. danger professor. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me so tell me what did inspire you to write this book wind. Did you start writing it. Was there a catalyst. The catalyst was a lot of things that happen amazingly enough now. It sounds like h industry a in two thousand fourteen. The shooting in brussels the the murderer in brussels of visitors to the jewish museum there and a lot of the anti-semitism that emerged around the war in gaza. But it was clear to me that it wasn't just related to the war in gaza that there had been enough other things happening that to just say. Oh this is all about. Gaza was a simplistic view. I wrote an op. Ed for the new york times got a tremendous amount of attention. Discussion and Finally i didn't. I thought that would be the end of it. My agent set me deborah. There's a book here. Where's the proposal. I said i have wallowed in the sewers of anti semitism and holocaust and office so much in my life. I really don't want to write about this. But he wouldn't give up. So i wrote the proposal. He presented to a publisher. They were interested in. I had to write the book. I mean a flip about that really. But as the time where i really started writing the book i would say two thousand fifteen amid to end two thousand fifteen and by that point. It was clear that the book was to me. It was clear that the book was necessary. Well was the resurgence of anti-semitism. All that clear or were you. Did you detect in the research of this book. Some new disguises. I saw new disguises. You know remember. I've been dealing in this field for so long that my antennae are so sharply honed and as many people as would be the case. I think for many people at the american jewish committee. When you deal with this you sort of you know it when you hear it you know what when you see it you have you know what we call it. anti-semitism dr. You know hey dr. Sadly yes. So i began to see things and i began to see trends and i began to see an emergence of anti-semitism on the right. In a way that we hadn't seen it in recent decades and i began to see an institutionalization of anti-semitism on the left. It had been on the left for quite a while. You know way back to the oh folks listening. Remember the new left and a year. Since then i it's been adopted by the left Not everyone on the left but certain clearly night everyone But i began to see the institutionalization the labor party in britain B d s on campus. Many of its aspects are clearly antisemitic And many other things. So i saw this conversions from both sides which which call to my mind for analysis. Were you seeing on emory's campus and has been fairly quiet campus. We had an incident that the end of the academic year of two thousand nineteen But it's been it's a fairly quiet. Campus you're more likely to see these events On large campuses with large graduate school populations graduate school graduate. Students are more tuned politically though. That's not always the case. You see another vassar wesleyan. You see it in other places as well. I'm though i do think that in coming months we'll see it on campuses like emory. Because i think they've targeted those generally quiet campuses for for actions. So how were the right. How're the the left. How were they disguising their anti-semitism. I mean they're not out there. Well out patrols on the right. It's what we call white replacement theory or white genocide theory and it's exactly what you saw in charlottesville. You know the jews will not replace us. What did they mean by that. This is the theory widely accepted on the far right and as you move away from the extremist fringes of the far. Right as you get more towards the center. It's accepted in the little less of a sinister way. But it's a. It's a conviction that i think this is correct. And the theory goes or the claim goes That there is a plan afoot to attack white christian culture to replace white christian culture with black people with brown people with muslim people And this is happening. All across europe but as as refugees and newcomers arrive and it's happening in america with the stream or hordes of whatever infestations will words that they use From the south but the white christian replacement theorist goes on to say these people certainly lesser than us white christians Not as talented. Not as smart. They're not capable of engineering. This replacement this is being engineered by the jews by a sore. Whether a soros soros whether it's Rotschild whether it's the american jewish committee whether it's You know zionist organizations. Whatever whatever standing they put in there and that it's it's it's something very insidious and something very devious and it's it's it's being run by jews. So that's what we see on on the right on the left. It tends to converge not only but primarily around Israel related things not that they're always related to israel but israel becomes the standing. You know we don't like zionist people will say even though they don't even know what designers But they know you know it's not quite cool to be overtly antisemitic. But it's okay to attack israel because you say. Oh this is politics jus i care about jews after pittsburgh. I was at the memorial service because they loved the i that jews are okay But i'm being facetious But so there you see more in that side but all you have to do is follow the comments of made by jeremy corbyn leader of the labor party british labor party in those around him or ken livingstone. The former mayor of london who is very much a man of the left or some people in this country and you know our representatives and leaders in this country. So tell me the united nations has just released. Its first human rights report that focuses exclusively on anti-semitism now this after a number of un secretary. General's have called for efforts to combat anti-semitism Finally the first report is being released. It seems like every report up until this point has kind of lumped in anti-semitism with other hates anti muslim hatred hatred against the lgbtq population. This one is exclusively focused on anti-semitism. And.
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Deborah Lipstadt Picked as Biden's Antisemitism Envoy
"Alarmed by a wave of attacks on american jews tied to the recent violence between israel and hamas american jewish committee and others in may press the white house to address a glaring void in the us state department the absence of a special envoy to monitor and combat anti-semitism around the world. This week president biden. Fill that vacancy. With one of america's preeminent jewish historians and holocaust scholars emory university professor. Deborah lipstadt professor. Lipstadt joined us on people at the pod shortly after the release of her latest book anti-semitism here and now a series of letters to an imagined college student and imagined colleague. Both of whom are perplexed by contemporary expressions of the most ancient hatred. We discussed whether the world is sufficiently aware of this ever present. danger professor. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me so tell me what did inspire you to write this book wind. Did you start writing it. Was there a catalyst. The catalyst was a lot of things that happen amazingly enough now. It sounds like h industry a in two thousand fourteen. The shooting in brussels the the murderer in brussels of visitors to the jewish museum there and a lot of the anti-semitism that emerged around the war in gaza. But it was clear to me that it wasn't just related to the war in gaza that there had been enough other things happening that to just say. Oh this is all about. Gaza was a simplistic view. I wrote an op. Ed for the new york times got a tremendous amount of attention. Discussion and Finally i didn't. I thought that would be the end of it. My agent set me deborah. There's a book here. Where's the proposal. I said i have wallowed in the sewers of anti semitism and holocaust and office so much in my life. I really don't want to write about this. But he wouldn't give up. So i wrote the proposal. He presented to a publisher. They were interested in. I had to write the book. I mean a flip about that really. But as the time where i really started writing the book i would say two thousand fifteen amid to end two thousand fifteen and by that point. It was clear that the book was to me. It was clear that the book was
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'Viral: Anti-Semitism in Four Mutations': A Close-Up on Hatred
"In an unhealthy society? That has problems. They say who did this to us? And the Jews are always candidate. That's columnist George will who's featured in a new documentary on anti-semitism out in theaters across the country on Friday with us in the studio to discuss that film is its creator. Andrew Goldberg in two thousand nine. Andrew focused his lens on the resurgence of Anti Jewish hatred around the world and in mainstream media but after the two thousand sixteen election and the CHARLOTTESVILLE rally where protesters proclaimed the Jews will not replace us. Goldberg felt compelled to return to the topic for an even deeper exploration in viral for mutations of anti-semitism Goldberg travels through four countries. The United States Great Britain France and Hungary to speak firsthand with victims witnesses anti-semites an high profile figures including bill. Clinton Tony Blair Deborah Lipstadt and AJC Europe director. Simone Rodin Benkin in Pittsburgh. He examined the far right ideas that led to the attack on the tree of life synagogue in Hungary he looks at the Anti Immigration. Anti George Soros anti-jewish propaganda promoted by the government and in the UK. He explores the pain caused by the Anti Zionist messages from the UK's Labor Party the film also explores the repeated violence against Jews in France carried out by Islamists Andrew. Welcome glad to be here. Thank you so thank you for making this documentary and I'm curious. Can you kind of take our audience back to the original conception of it and how it evolved over time since I believe some events actually transpired in the making of the documentary will shortly after the election? We noticed there was sort of an uptick in anti Semitic incidents around the country. There were series a bomb threats which we know turned out to be bogus but those caught. Everyone's attention and suddenly everyone was noticing things and shortly after that a lot of tombstones were desecrated several different cemeteries and then the sort of global eyeballs started to notice these things talk about them more in the press and online and we immediately thought we should make a film about antisemitism and we didn't know what it would look like or what it would be. I think our initial thoughts were that would be about the United States but as we did more and more research and we knew this was a global issue. We knew it was happening in other countries. But as you unpack these things you realize that. There's an urgency to a lot of these stories and so we decided to really expanded and to look at four different situations. Those would be the far right in the United States. The far left in England in Hungary where the prime minister has launched a massive PR campaign against a Jewish philanthropist and in France where Islamist have been killing Jews in various terror attacks and other violent attacks against Jews to the tune of what unofficial numbers seemed to be more than three thousand a year. Now you've been making documentaries and doing journalism for twenty years As have I and I was a religion reporter for fifteen years in Chicago and I will tell you when I came here. I was stunned by just how much people hate. Jews. And I'm curious you I. I mentioned this to a former colleague at the Tribune recently and his response. He's in his eighties. He said we'll of course you grew up at a different time You know it's no surprise to me but yeah of course you didn't realize I'm just curious if this was a real shock to your system as you were doing the reporting the idea that Jews are hated was never foreign to me. I mean keep in mind. I'm fifty one and so I grew up where the Holocaust was not that far off. I mean I was raised in the seventies so I guess it was still thirty years old but it was not as it is now sixty plus years old where the next generation of people don't even know it was there Growing UP IN CHICAGO BEING JEWISH WAS It was not something to be celebrated at least among my friends and among my peers. I was made fun of for it a few times. It wasn't I didn't grow up in the midst of it but the Holocaust was connected to us in a way that it was very very real and so for that reason I understood that Jews were absolutely despised and I started making films in my first film that had anything to do with Jewish subjects was around two thousand and two or so and you know it was about Eastern European Jewish life before the war. So we're talking about you. Know all black and white footage of shuttles of Warsaw of what we might call the Yiddish world and that whole world is utterly destroyed in Eastern Europe and in Europe and in Russia and that made it pretty easy to see and in doing that film I started to learn about it. I automate fillmore at antisemitism in the media in the Middle East at one point and you realize that it is it is widespread. There's Anti Semitism where there are Jews. There's antisemitism where there are not Jews. There's Anti Semitism among people who are friends with Jews so my awareness of this has grown so in other words you entered into this project knowing there was a history of this but you had never seen it kind of in the current context as well. I had not seen it the way I see it now. I when I made a film in two thousand seven on antisemitism in the in the in the arab-islamic world per particularly North Africa and the Middle East I didn't focus that much on Europe and the US at the time antisemitism in the US was a very minor issue compared to what it is now. I don't want to say it was minor because there were plenty of people experiencing antisemitism but we didn't have it to the magnitude and we didn't have the Internet the way we do now but I knew that it was alive and well in the Middle East and that was surprising to see just how deep it is just how woven into the fabric of conversation and media it is. I was interviewing some kids in Egypt on the street and I said to them what are Jews they said User Satan Jews are evil. Juice should die. I said what if a Jewish kid was walking right here across the street and got hit by a car. They said we would call an ambulance. These two ideas existed right next to each other. And that's what's so interesting. One is in the abstract one is in the day to day Would you say that abstract versus day day is what's also infecting Western Europe United States? This wave of anti-semitism that we're seeing or is it. Is it very different? I think they crossover so for example. In Hungary there's virtually no violence against Jews In Hungary a survey showed that forty percent. Forty two percent of Hungarians held at least one or more anti Semitic views. Does that mean that? The people by larger anti-semites probably not but it means that the numbers are higher. Those numbers were higher than they were anywhere else in Europe or give or take a country. How many countries are there in Europe? A lot right so but there's no violence against Jews physical violence. That's what I mean physical violence against Jews but those lines do tend to cross over at points and so the fear is that it can translate these nationalist movement so in Hungary just to give some context the government has launched a huge campaign against George. Soros it's on Mute right now. It's not running right now but it ran not too long ago during the European Union elections. It came back up again. I asked one of the spokespeople of Hungary will come back and he told me that it would come back in a very consistent way so the whole idea that the Hungarian government has put forth. Is that this Jewish billionaire. George Soros is out to flood the nation with Muslim immigrants and since Muslim immigrants in the eyes of the Hungarian government are bad. You the Hungarian citizen the White Christian Hungarian citizen are in danger. And you're in danger because of a Jew. So here's these people are all worked up about a Jew who actually isn't doing anything like this but yet at the same time they're not vandalizing. All the Jewish shops are not beating Jews. And what have you? Although there's I've heard some rumblings that a little of that has happened so we'll have to see but I'm no expert on the data right. Well I think that's the argument. I mean argument. Deborah Lipstadt makes in the film. For example it starts with words it starts with comments and then does eventually escalate. That's the danger of not addressing it nipping in the bud. When you see. I think that's here right so I think that in America we've seen rage on the Internet translate into violence than I think you know the hatred in Hungary is really a government media campaign which took place on TV on the radio on the Internet. But also on billboards outside it was like an all encompassing life. You would drive down the street and you'd be bombarded with it here This antisemitism isn't billboards. I mean there's we'd see them occasionally but it's all on the Internet and people get the Internet sort of like you and your computer. You Lock yourself in this little space and then you start to get worked up and you start to hate and so we see that. Not all but many of these. Violent attacks in the United States are people who sort of incubated these ideas on the Internet. You raise a good point billboards in Hungary that was the been the vehicle of communication there for that. Soros campaign but I'm curious what about social media. What about the comments in violence on social media is it just as rampant in places like Hungary as it is here we'll so the makeup and the nature of the of the campaign in Hungary? We didn't break down so I don't know what percentage of it certainly on social media and not only was it on social media is a place where people can share about it right so in addition to whatever the government put on social media because the government had all these different forms they had radio they had. Tv They billboards aid magazines. It's social media mailings mailing mailing which is in the film How much of their media mix was the Internet? I don't know but if you're a person with anti Semitic views you can't do anything with billboard but some people did right hateful messages on billboards with magic markers in pain. They actually vandalize them. But by and large the billboards are you don't interact with them in the billboard. Don't post against back and forth a TV commercial. You don't respond to that. The Internet is where everybody took their hatred in their dislike of George Soros and they brought it to the Internet. And I think that's a place where you would see a lot more of this. Anti Jewish rhetoric the Internet is where it becomes the People's action not the government right. You have obsession in the film that talks about the brief history of blaming Jews. And you talk about the films that you've done in the past and the history of this but one critique of the film that I've read is that doesn't include enough historical context now I hear this critique all the time as a journalist you only have so much space or time right to address the whole of a situation but I'm curious what your thoughts are on whether to include more history or trajectory. The history of antisemitism is extremely complex. It grows out of misinterpretations if that's a word of people misinterpreted biblical scripture. It's changed and it's more throughout the centuries throughout Europe. If you WANNA talk about how it's been a part of the story of Christianity knew very thorny and complicated history which takes a long time to get in and out of now take that for a minute and think about. We have limited shelf space in our movie. I always say to people in movies not a casserole but take that from it in a notice that in the film we have that history. We have extensive history of the civil rights movement in the United States with history of the entire Orban's campaign and where that came from in Hungary in Oregon was we talk all about a migration and the history of colonialism in France as to give the backbone of that in England we talk about the Labor Party going all the way back to two thousand and eight. What we don't do is this deep analysis of Christian history but my response is also this. If I make a film about racism in about how African Americans are being shot in the street by police. Do I need to tell you? The history of why blacks are disliked by racists in this country. If I talk about misogyny do I need to tell you? The history of why people are misogynists to me and the same goes for LGBTQ. Americans no one's asking why. Why do I need to get into the fact of why Trans People are being murdered? Right now are being beaten up. I don't need to analyze that. Well that too comes from the Bible. Right hatred of homophobia grows right out of scripture. But I don't need to give that analysis so it's a it. We talk about double standards and antisemitism and I don't want to say this is anti Semitism but it's almost a reflex that people feel like anything has to do with Jews. With antisemitism with Israel has to be held to some type of second order of scrutiny and I found that a little bit frustrating. There've been some debates on college campuses about whether or not Jewish students who are pro. Israel can join feminist marches. Lgbtq right marches. You other causes. They feel excluded from those causes because of their Zionist positions and so. That's where intersection. -ality has come up a lot in conversations here is how do you address that exclusion? Even though it's very different causes communities have gotten together and there has not been room for the Jewish issue of antisemitism has four complicated reasons not been welcome into that crew. Because many in this left is idea. Do not like how they don't like what's going on with the Arab Israeli conflict let's not even parse the Israeli conflict. Unfortunate part of this. Is that a Jewish students who have nothing to do with Israel who are oblivious to Israel are still being singled out now. It's very dangerous to to assume. Length phrases like colleges are a battleground. We visited colleges as we spoke to a lot of students. It's a very complicated and mixed bag. But there's no doubt that on some college campuses and we don't have hard data on how or where or what we have a lot of anecdotes. We have a lot of very upset parents. We have a lot of very upset students. But what that actually translates into numbers. We don't know what we do know. Is that Jewish? Students are being asked to somehow be called to task for what Israel is said to be