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Ghouls of New York

True Crime Fan Club Podcast

21:39 min | 1 year ago

Ghouls of New York

"On July thirtieth on my get vocal stream author Elaine Smith a retired FBI special agent will be joining me on my get vocal stream. We're going to be discussing her book a gun in my Gucci. Don't forget to join me. Seven PM Central Eight Eastern. You want a chance to win a copy of her book. Explicit content is bound in this episode so listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to the true crime fan. Club podcast I'm your host Laney. For most people when they bury their loved ones, they expect to grieve and for the deceased to rest in peace. Unfortunately throughout history and even today, the deceased and their families fall victim to grab robbers or body snatchers. Most people are not aware of this gruesome practice still occurs, but in the mid to thousands, thousands of families discovered their loved ones. Corpses had been desecrated. Okay. And the show. Many people are familiar with the names burke and Hare, which was the title of a two thousand ten movies starring Simon Pegg. Somewhat based on the escapades of the real life, Birkin hair. In the late seventeenth century, medical students and physicians had a problem of there, not being enough cadavers to study. Inter resurrection EST also known as Ghouls who would rob graves and sell to the medical schools or doctors in Edinburgh Seventeen, fifty two ellen torrance engine walled, e, skipped the grave robbing and went straight to murder when they murdered a young boy who was around eight or nine, and sold his body for two shillings ten pence they were captured and hanged within days. Seventy six years later. William Burke and William Hair also in Edinburgh began the same thing. They kept their crimes a secret for over a year. Thanks to the assistance from their wives Helen McDougal and Margaret Hair. In late eighteen, twenty, seven hair had sold a corpse and decided it was a good way to make money finding fresh corpses proved difficult, however, because of the demand, and because corpses were watched closely. Therefore in January eighteen, twenty, eight Birkin here decided to provide Robert Knox with fresh corpses. Harewood, scour the streets of Edinburgh looking for victims that were easy prey like the elderly, the infirm or just the drunks. Once, he found someone he would be. Friend them and take them back to logs launch house, or he and burke would ply them with alcohol before hair killed them by suffocation. The pair were caught and with them, Robert Knox and the two wives. Their trial was held in December eighteen, twenty, eight, and only William. Burke was sentenced to death. He was hanged in a public, hanging the following month, and just a few days later, his body was dissected in front of another huge crowd. Legend has it that the anatomist dipped his quill in berks blood. Writing this is written with the blood of William Burke who was hanged at Edinburgh? This blood was taken from his head. Whether that's true or not. What is true is burke skeleton was given to the Edinburgh Medical School, or it can still be seen today. bodysnatching in America is not quite as well known as Burke and Hare, but there were numerous cases of grave robbing in the early years of the United States. Early enough that under Hamilton was present during a riot that broke out at Columbia University. Grave robbing continued for many years until the practice eventually die down when people began donating their bodies to science. However just as it's implied in the urban legend of the stolen kidney in a hotel room, nefarious organ and tissue, the still exist in America and throughout the world. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, six, a leaking package at of Kentucky. Post Office led to the horrific discovery of five human heads inside. Upon investigation, the heads were trace back to Martin Specter of physician in Philadelphia who was a center city, ear, nose and throat doctor. He had been providing other doctors with body parts for over twenty years. He would pay diners Morgan -PLOYEES who ready bodies for autopsy and wash them afterwards one hundred fifty dollars per head, sixty five dollars per arm and twenty dollars for a set of ears. He was eventually find a little over thirty thousand dollars and sentenced to sixteen hundred hours of community service. He was seventy at the time of sentencing. Dr Specter was most annoyed that one of his staffs and the package with the wrong address. Dr Specter's operation however was nothing like the one discovered in New York in the mid two thousands. Joseph Maselli owned a funeral home Daniel George in son in Brooklyn New York, but in late, two, thousand, three, early, two, thousand four, he sold this business to Robert, elms, and Deborah Johnson who were married at the time of the sale. Robert Debre owned several funeral homes, but Joseph. Nepalis stayed on to help run the business. The also gave him free run of the funeral home. Decker became suspicious after several of their clients complained to her that they're prepaid. Funeral arrangements were not being kept. These should have been deducted from the purchase price of the funeral home, but were not. She touched the leg of a deceased client one day to find that the leg had pvc pipe in it rather than a bone. She finally went to the police after finding a secret room on the second floor that was essentially an embalming room. There was a table on the first floor that would rise hydraulically to the second, so the deceased could be harvested. The Room looked like an operating room and had tubes to a toilet so that the blood and body fluids be flushed. one-step contacted the Police Patricia. O'Brien was assigned to the case, and the investigation began in earnest. Put Your Shit in Deborah found Fedex records showing shipments to businesses Deborah did not recognize. When Patricia took the records back to the police department, she found that most of them were tissue, banks, or other businesses involved in tissue transplants. Tissue harvesting differs from organ. Harvesting tissue refers to anything other than the organs in the body, and can mean tendons, skin, veins, cartilage, and ligaments. It's been stated that one body can harvest enough tissue to help eighty people. One body can also have a payout of more than eighty thousand. Technically, you cannot make money on tissue organs, but there are fees associated with the removal, transportation and surgery. According to NPR each vertebra in the neck can be worth one thousand three hundred dollars. The pelvis can cost six thousand dollars, and an elbow can cost seventeen thousand dollars. Would possibly started as an earnest business. Do Right and help. Others very quickly devolved into an illegal, but lucrative business started and helmed by one man Michael Master Marino. Michael Master Marino steamed like the typical boy next door. Who was successful in life? However like everything with this case, there was much more to Michael. Married to Barbara and they had two sons. The couple's friends said they were like Kenan. Barbie Michael had trained as an oral surgeon and had co written a book about dental implants. It all started going wrong, though when he developed a back ache, and may two thousand and became addicted to Demiral. Soon everyone who worked with Dr Marino knew he had a problem. He fell asleep during a procedure one day while standing up. Another time he won't gotta the bathroom and fell to the floor with the scrubs down around his ankles. The incident that brought this to Barbara's attention was when he passed out in the bathroom with a hypodermic needle in his arm. It all came to a head professionally, though when he performed surgery while under the influence and caused damage to a patient's nerve, causing a permanent droop. He was soon arrested and checked himself into Rehab for three days. Michael's wife became concerned about him one night when he didn't come home. She took their small sons out to look for him and saw him on the side of the road surrounded by Blue Lights. That wasn't all he wasn't alone. He was with another woman. was charged with possession of dimmer, all happy dermik needle and being under the influence of a controlled substance. He soon realized he was going to have to actually go to Rehab and stick it out to get out of the controlled substance charges and to keep his marriage intact. He did and managed to sweep the charges under the rug and saved his marriage. However he did have to surrender his medical and dental license. He had a family and more importantly lavish lifestyle to keep up. and to find a way to make lots of money fast, so he looked through the contacts he made while practicing oral surgery. He quickly found regeneration technologies INC or Artioli, and realized they were one of the largest tissue banks in the US. He had used their products and dental implants and decided to become a provider of its. He obtained New York license for tissue harvesting in two thousand two, which was the same year. He lost his dental license. RTI was impressed with his work, and even more so when he announced to them, he would like to work from funeral homes. Michael created biomedical tissue. Services, Ltd or bts Michael Paid. Undertaker's a thousand dollars per body. He claimed this was the amount set by the American Association of Tissue Banks and included the fees for the use of a funeral home, five hundred dollars, the cost of body delivery to fifty and the cost of body, disposal or cleanup another to fifty. But BTS received at least seven thousand dollars for each body they harvested when the business was new Michael actually did most of the work himself Michael partnered with Joseph, Maselli, to work out of Daniel, George and son, funeral home and soon demand overwhelmed his ability to keep up. Michael put feelers out there and soon hired Lee Seta. who was a nurse at Beth Israel. I'm going to pause a case right here, so you can hear a word from our sponsors. Lee became interested in orthopedics because he wanted to work with power tools, he became an ATP certified tissue being specialist, however before he met Michael He never worked and funeral homes. He took the job because he was in financial straits with four children and a wife who had just lost her job. Lee was under the impression. The families received some sort of financial compensation whether it was a discounted funeral service or an upgraded casket. When question though he wasn't sure if this ever actually happened. Lee explain they had a contract with Artie I for long bones. If the casket was open for the service, Lee would take the bones at the hip and leads a foot and tack. PVC pipe would replace the bones, which is standard practice in the industry. With pants on the body, no one could tell the lead bones were missing. After the case was broken, wide, open, and bodies were exhumed. Investigators found corpses with gloves stuffed into the body. Lee denied treating corpses way, however, if a body was scheduled for cremation, Lee could use his power tools to remove the spine, and he did state. He pleased a rag in the whole left behind just so body fluids wouldn't trip onto the cardboard box used in cremations? PHILADELPHIA, and other area they operated from did not even use cardboard boxes. The literally rolled these bodies on the stretcher to the crematorium a block away. At the Daniel George location in Brooklyn neighbors, claimed there were often corpses left on the sidewalk with vans, pulling in and out at all hours of the night. They were soon busy enough to require another cutter, so Joseph introduced a funeral home director Chris Albarassi into the business. Lee and Chris both labeled cutters were working full-time harvesting tissue. At this time, it all seemed above board and done in accordance with the regulation, surrounding the tissue industry. When the case was referred to the District Attorney to investigate, they did their due diligence and research these regulations. However while looking at the paperwork, they had confiscated the soon realized. The signatures on the consent forms were off. Signatures didn't match which caused them to look deeper. They soon realized that the ages and causes of death on the forms were not accurate. For example, the most famous people of illegally obtained body was that of Alistair Cooke who died at age, ninety five from lung cancer that had metastasized to the bones. Alastair Cooke was the former host of PBS masterpiece theatre. The paperwork shaved ten years off his age and said he had died from cardiac arrest. This bothered Lee. WHO said that often the forms would say. But they would open the body and find lesions on the bones. He was with Michael at Convention in Florida when Chris called microalgae. Tell him he had stare cook on the table. So what should he do? Oh Michael Said was precede. The. Da's investigation into the illegally obtained his shoe was assisted by Dr Michael Bauer of Colorado. His own investigation started because he had a question about something on the form, and he called the phone number of the treating physician on the form. The number was incorrect, so he called the next of kin. That ended up being a business, so he wasn't sure what to do. He went home that night and the next day was panicked. He called all the numbers he had for twenty donors, and all of them were incorrect. He reached out to Michael who cast the blame at the funeral homes several different ones. Dr Bauer countered with the fact. That Michael's initials were beside each phone number Michael then severed all ties with Dr Bauer who contacted some of the tissue banks to alert them to the tissue. Three of these banks stopped working with bt S. FDA INVESTIGATED BTS in two thousand, three four improper sterilization of equipment and inadequate explanations of how they disposed of tissue was diseased. Oliver Michael vowed he had corrected these issues so the FDA backed off. They did not shutdown bts until two thousand six after the claims of forgeries came to light. Another issue of the be harvested issue was that the funeral homes typically did not have the proper refrigeration for harvested tissue. Tissue is also supposed to be harvested within twenty four hours, but sometimes this was not adhere to. Leak. Rusada said all these bodies. They seemed okay to me. I never saw a body decomposing. The four major players of bts cited on nearly two hundred charges, stemming from the illegal harvest practices, including charges of forgery, possessing forged documents body, stealing opening graves, grand larceny and reckless endangerment. The trials did not come quickly. Lee Crew said it took a plea deal in exchange for testifying against Michael Master Marino Josefina Sally and Chris Out Rossi. Charges were also filed and Philadelphia. Where the company often harvested tissue Lee received six years eight months for the crimes in both states a sentence that he would serve New York. Michael Master Marino denied culpability until immediately before the trial when he finally pled guilty and received eighteen to fifty four years. Joseph. Maselli suffered a fall off a roof while awaiting trial, so his trial was delayed a little longer. He decided to take a plea agreement as well or saving twenty four years for his part in the crimes. Chris. went to trial and was found guilty, being handed a sentence of up to twenty seven years for his part. However, the story isn't over there. There were an estimated one thousand seventy seven bodies that were harvested, and several of these were exhumed, causing more grief to the families. But aside from the next of kin, there were potentially thousands of living victims of these crimes, the people who received tissue from bt ASS. Letters were sent to the recipients of tissue from yes. These letters advise the recipients to be tested for certain diseases such as HIV hepatitis and syphilis. One of these was Dana. Ryan who received cadaver bone to repair a herniated disc in her back after she was tested, she discovered she had hepatitis B. and the only place she could have received was from the bone graft. Numerous lawsuits were filed against bt. S and Michael Master. Marino, there were confirmed cases of HIV in syphilis resulted from infected graphs. Before it was all over fourteen people were charged in the body snatchers case. In what some call! An ironic twist Michael developed liver cancer, which metastasized to his bones. He died July two thousand thirteen, while still in prison. He can still be seen in the documentary. The body snatchers of New York on Amazon Prime. In the documentary Michael Does Not Appear to be remorseful at all and even told NPR during an interview. This case was completely blown out of proportion. They made me out to be like I. was doing something completely outrageous? Ironically the original whistle-blower Deborah, Johnson and her husband Robert Domes found themselves in hot water. Just a few years after Michael Master Marina was sentenced. The pair purchased a funeral home and cemetery in Indiana. Where they apparently were living during the body snatchers case. They were not using a perpetual care trust fund in accordance with the law and were investigated in two thousand eight. It was soon discovered that they had taken twenty two million dollars from the funeral home, including money to pay back the loan for the business and money to build a house. To add insult to injury. Deborah was fired from the funeral home when the allegations began, but was not told by her husband, she then found out. They were not legally wed because he had never filed their marriage paperwork. Because they were not married, dipper said she would testify against Robert if the charges against her will drop. All charges were dropped, but Robert ended up not going to trial taking a plea deal to spend four years in jail and four years in home detention. Deborah also received a one hundred and seventy five thousand settlement when she filed a lawsuit against the funeral home for her termination, and for not paying her as required. From disreputable funeral homes to immoral entrepreneurs, death is apparently lucrative business. Okay! Fan Club members as I conclude this episode. One question to you is. How will you sleep tonight? A. Thank you for listening? If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure rate. Subscribe and positively reviewed the show on Apple podcasts podcast player of choice. It really does help us out. You can find his on most social media platforms twitter at t CFC pod facebook dot com slash t CFC podcast. 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Nobody Listens to Paula Poundstone Ep 16: Paula's Halloween Spooktacular

Nobody Listens to Paula Poundstone

53:41 min | 3 years ago

Nobody Listens to Paula Poundstone Ep 16: Paula's Halloween Spooktacular

"As welcome to nobody listens. To Paula Poundstone here comedy field guide to life, and it's our Halloween special, pumpkin. Patch owner lily Cabrera tells us about America's scariest vegetable we share listeners Halloween traditions, and Paula and I review the mother of all slasher movies Halloween. Remember when Michael Myers was a psychopathic killer instead of a beloved comic actor never mind. Anyway, I'm Adam Felber the person on this show that you would trust with a knife. And now, please, welcome the woman who's Jacka landlords. Always have a crooked smile. Paulo own stove. Welcome. And thank you tonight's house band. Kevin kelso. He has brought an enormous pipe organ. Interim horsemen studios we're just barely fitting the door. Kevin. Thank you for carding that two ton pipe organ to Miranda street Dow but celebrate Halloween. Why is organ music so scary? I don't know. I mean, it's resonant and and deep, but somebody must have been the first person to think of having it like in car movies. Yeah. Like, a phantom of the opera kind of person. Yeah. What was phantom of the what was he playing? He wasn't playing in Oregon. Was he hangs playing pipe organ? Oh, well that explains it. Yeah. That could be the could Kevin just a tiny bit of box Sakata and few that predates Panama the opera by Andre and fifty years that was box Takata a little piece, of course. Oh. Okay. Bucks few. No I ever heard of it. I played the drums now, I should point out that a no you haven't I've I've been taking drum lessons, and this is taking drum lessons, but you're not playing box cutter and few gonna drums. I am. You just recognize? I'm not that good at it yet. Remember remember a couple of weeks ago? We learned that good liars, look straight knee. I look straight in the eye. We learned that from John Bowman. I can't see you. Now, you're looking okay. But Kevin Kelso. I've known Kevin for years. But I didn't know he was a musician that he is until he submitted. That theme song for our theme song. Contest for nobody listens to Paula pounds. Fantastic. It's three you want to hear a little bit of that. Let's hear it. Sesame Street here. I hear a little bit of box few. Sons to Paul pounds. She's got plan. Nobody listens to Poundstone. She talking. Free. And it's. Lowness probably sell great. Iwon cans and did a half mansion. It's totally free. Tech. That's the name of the show is the part that was like the few. Nobody listens to. As far as. No, one hears it. Really happen. The thing of beauty. Yeah. This is long pitcher myself porn away with the kids on the bus that painted over cliff. Oh. Bounced faded out. Absolutely bears repeating. Yeah. And of course, naturally, we invited Kevin to be our house tonight on the strength of that song. So thank you once again, Kevin for showing up. So Paula we a- we solicited some stuff from our listeners for the Halloween special. We asked them what their hollowing traditions are. Now, your family has a Halloween tradition. You want to when I was a kid after we trick or treated we had a candy trading party T R A D, I N G and. What would it be? If an wasn't teary D A N G trading. Like candy had bad traits that make zero sense. But I'm glad you clarified something that needed. No clarification. Go on a lot of listeners hanging. Tracing candy. Why did she say so we would come in? We were spread out what we had gotten from our bags on the floor, and then begin the trades. Jerry, d and. I was often taking advantage of honestly, why the youngest not all that bright wanted to be liked. So you would trade, you know, I- lots of chocolate for three musketeers, which was one of my favorite thing you traded away. I would trade it for like, some do do bees or or. Meant I loved art. What I love dot. Yeah. Dodger pre gummy and very what was the thing. I don't like the mints with chocolate over them. I love the miss. Yeah. Yeah. God we have a trade, right? Totally do a Halloween trade. We should do it right after right after go trick or treating. Okay. So you want to hear some of our listeners. Yeah. Okay. We asked the listeners to right into our. What is it Facebook page Facebook page, we ask it we? So we told them about my tradition and wondered if they had any of their own, right? And Deborah Johnson. From Scarborough Maine wrote, quote, I live in a second floor apartment in an old house with a second story porch. I got tired of running up and down the stairs to hand out candy. So I tied a bell to a rope and hung it off the edge of the porch with the sign ring bell for a treat. If you dare when the bell jingled I'd go out and lower the candy over the edge in a bucket, the kids loved it. Oh my God. I believe she goes on the city. She's gonna attach lights this year. Deborah Johnson's house. What? Yeah, you were at I trick or treating main and and somebody. No, you know, what that reminds me of reminds me of Homer price. Did you ever read that book? No homer. Price had a skunk. And he would drop a basket down. And this get in the back. He will pull it up. But I love this idea. That's a great idea. John say that if you're if you're trick or treating in Maine. You don't really need to do much else. Right. To make things scary. It's in Maine. Yeah. Are not close together. So you can you can hike for miles and get like one small box junior all of Maine. I've been in many times a lot of Maine is very separated. A lot of daynuss suburban places. Yeah. But no, it's no the houses are far apart. I've been when when you went to Maine, they went quick put hours together Adams here. And then when you left they went back to how it usually is is that true. Yeah. I think it is. So we have we have another another listener tradition. Wanda Kover of champion, Ohio. Boy that pumps you up told us. I'm not a candy Scrooge. I don't care if you're sixty five you come to my house wearing a custom you get candy. Right. How ever I have a different treat for those lazy teenagers who dress as lazy teenage just carrying pillowcases who just try to cover as much ground as possible. Boy, if they were in Maine, but don't wear any type of question if you can't be bothered to at least make an attempt at a half has cost him. I will drop leftover mustard packets from fast food places in your bag take that maybe next time, you'll at least where mask or something why? Wow. That is tense Onda. Yeah. I why she stopped there. Why you know, there's so much stuff in my house that I need to clear out and get rid of. Why would she focus just on muster? I mean, it sounds to me like Wanda's going out in and intentionally taking extra mustard pack, right? Yeah. In preparation for those damn teens send those teams home with a single sock. Yeah. Even unmatched sock executive earn Steph. You need to get rid of. Right. Yeah. The pen that you can see through into the inside of the pending. You know, there's only a fraction of an inch of sign your name. Yeah. Just toss it in the ballot about all those extra screws that come with furniture assembly and stuff, and you leave him in the bottom of that drawer because you like comes out of that. Maybe I'll use an you. Never go into. Yeah. No. I say, no, I I would advise not getting rid of those screws. And I'll tell you why. Because every time I get rid of the screws that like roll around in the draw when you shut it the minute. I get rid of the screw that. Refrigerator door falls off. Right. But you'd never been able to find the correct screw of the refrigerator. Anyway. No it was now. What was was enrolling around. Trek dropped in the teenagers. You know, what I understand plow? Here's where we're seeing about one. And I you know, I just want to Kover Ohio. And to me wonder doesn't just live and champion. She is champion. But what I don't understand up. A wonder is why she gets that wrapped up in. Yeah. Yeah. The whole idea of a kid comes to your house, and they're begging for candy. Wouldn't you just give them the? I mean, really, well, I feel like Wanda has standards. I mean, it's not I always feel a little trepidation when I'm putting you know, like candy into undressed, not unrest. But not dressed up teens. Oh, yeah. Have if you haven't naked per house mistake handing him candy. It's probably just you know, what you're doing. You're perpetuating your urine enabler, I'm enable. Yeah. If somebody comes here house naked and you give them candy. That's a mistake. Right. Right. Because you know, that can't he's going to make them look terrible events and everybody will see. Right. Yeah. You're gonna break out. Yeah. You're gonna. Yeah. You're gonna see the fat. There's no nicotine in my house. Yeah. To your knowledge. You know? I I understand that when the police. Turning into the weirdest. Halloween episode ever. You can kids get where I don't see them officer. Oh, I don't know how they got in the basement. Oh naked. Slick kids. Yeah. And as soon as the cop goes, no more candy for you naked kids. Thanks for making me, look bad. All right. What a great neighbor. You must. I sure am. I sure am. I keep quiet. Linda mcgeever of how we see? She. Did you wanna hear it? Yeah. She said, quote, my mom used to put a dummy on our front porch made of my dad's old clothes stuffed with newspaper, plastic pumpkin head and a straw hat the year. My sister was born November baby she was putting in place and after settling it into a lawn chair turn to see the postman running up the walk looking to be in a dead panic. He had seen her supporting the dummy which was slumped against her but see the pumpkin head because of the hat and assumed it was my dad passed out being held up. My hugely pregnant mother. He thought he was going to have to revive my dad and catch a baby. All right. Linda on is on my mom used to put a dummy on the porch. My dad. That's just a joke. Hey listener out there. You can use that Paul of a license that joke to you for nothing. I feel like I'm chilling by inner Phyllis Diller when I say seventy. Been FANG put a dummy. My was my husband. Yeah. My father wasn't a. No is no dummy. That is a great store. That is a really good story. Trinations pretty cool to of making the dummy with a pumpkin head on and putting on a porch because that's tradition. She was talking about. I don't think she traditionally gave Burs every Halloween. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting that her mother went to the trouble of dressing dummy. And you have naked teenagers come to your house. I don't wear as you could. What I'm gonna do for you right now. What are you going to do? Besides get me arrested. I'm gonna make for you a balloon animal. Well, here's the thing and listeners longtime listener store show will know that Paula is under the misapprehension that she makes balloon animals when in fact with Paul makes important effect is balloons. No, I don't make bullets balloon animals. This is this is this is a little risque. It's okay. It's not going to be a teenager be a full grown. It's going to be a twenty two year old. Okay. Trick or treating naked at your house. Hold on. Okay. Spring back any memories. Well, twenty two year old what because I'm looking at a a black sphere. That says the words happy birthday on it Jackley. Yeah. Yeah. I've never had anyone at my house naked or clothed looks like that. Yeah. That's a tattoo tattoo on a sphere again. Yeah. Yeah. No. Those are not even the kinds of balloons that one makes into balloon animals. We mean, I mean like balloon animal balloons are those long ones that looked like hot dogs. This can no, of course, this you can't twist that it's it's just a balloon polyp you can. And here we go. All right. All right. So let's talk. Let's pumpkins, pumpkin. Let's talk. Let's pumpkins pulling a balloon tradition. Don't you? I did. Well, I don't I really call it tradition. But I did one time for a pitcher that I put up on the internet. I wanted to have a pitcher of pumpkin incident. And so I bought the largest, pumpkin. I could buy. Okay. No. It might have been even fifty pounds or something. Then I had my assistant put it on my back in the front yard and just lay wriggling beneath it as though something had happened. Yeah. Exactly. Pumpkin fallen on you, maybe a few months and had a heavy pumpkin grow on you senseless, pumpkin. No growth, another senseless, pumpkin death. And I think it costs like seventy bucks. Okay. Yes. Made you think? Yeah. They did made me I wondered 'cause it seemed a little on the greedy side, frankly to me on the part of the pumpkin seller, and I wonder like, okay. But when it gets to be the day after Halloween, November first or something, right? How much those who's paying seventy dollars for a pumpkin. Then probably know. But that's what made me want to invite tonight. Right. We with us. We have a woman who can answer that and all manner pumpkin questions lily Cabrera is the co owner of the Whittier pumpkin patch, which she and her best friend have owned for over twelve years. Please welcome lily Cabrera. Thank you. Welcome lily, Cabrera lily Pau bought her thirty pound pumpkin for seventy bucks. I it's fifty fifty day after Halloween. How much would that accuster? Yeah. You've ripped off. Even before Halloween me. Then you got the hookup Paula. I don't know. So what's the name of your patch? It's Whittier pumpkin patch. Nice. Yeah. That's been a home location. We've spread it out. So we have other locations in Downey. And so on in that area. Sure. And how much would would it like a thirty to fifty pound, pumpkin. Run you over in Whittier. Not that price probably a little bit less than that. But it really depends on I guess the beauty of it. You know, if if someone's looking to just get something that's a big, you know, just to carve it our someone's leaking to make into a big, you know, nice basket of something really depends because they all grow different. Yeah. Now will is brought us some beautiful pumpkins one of which. Absolutely looks like. But cheeks one. Crack down the center in two pumpkins kind of fused as they were growing. Can you tell us about, but she pumpkin. We'll get it. We'll get a picture of that way intentionally or it was fine. Yeah. They grow that. They grow that way. Sorry pumpkins. Yes. I'm this. When we actually found it today, but we've found quite a few. We just saw this one was perfect. Perfect. A lot of squats. Little Kim Kardashian feeling to this doesn't paddock might have had something done. What are you? What are you in the pumpkin trade? Call one of these. Yeah. Because. Yeah. Because a lot of families come to pumpkin patch is that right? Yeah. And I was looking for different varieties of pumpkins. You know, you wanna touch. That is nice. Yeah. Yeah. I just spanked it. Yeah. Honestly, I'd like it to have some sort of garment. What's what does it kind of underwear? My what's the kind with the just the string thongs on. Yeah. Thong. That's what have you ever? Put a on the one. But then they give the idea might go back into that. So good thought a nice price on all of a sudden day ago. It was three dollars and now now like hotcakes, when's the best time to buy your, pumpkin. There's really no best time because pumpkin can last you up to a month or more a month or more after you carve it though all bets are off. Right after you. Carville course, because you know, it's open and exposed to the sun if you have it out, but if you keep it indoors, a pumpkin last you up until thanksgiving. And now, and it would be a good rate. Right. Yes. You can. Yes. You can just carve it right before Halloween. If I'm gonna car, that's usually what I suggest if I've carved it already and it sat out on my porch for a couple of weeks. Can I still cook? With it. The look still kind of nice in me kinda like sloppy Joes in there. Well, you know, the one that I had that was got a sixty pound pumpkin keeps. Keeps pumpkin that I had big giant. And I put it up on the porch after took the with it. And we never carved it. We just left it there for a long long time. And by the time, I realized that it needed to go. I had to shovel it off the porch just sort of caved in upon it self. I would I don't even eat lily say don't eat that. Yeah. A pie. Yeah. And she gave it to the neighbors. No their teams. Big neighbors that used to live in the house beside me. Yeah. Yeah. The ones that had the tragic. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was you. Well, now, I realize. Twenty so talk to me about pumpkin pricing. Does do you? Do you? Jack up the prices as Halloween approaches. And what do you do the day after Halloween? Are they worth nothing now or what happens actually, surprisingly, we're still selling pumpkins after Halloween. Really? Yes. The same price. Is it people that don't have a calendar? No, it's havoc calendar and they're preparing for thanksgiving. A lot of these people. Yes, cook or they'll open. Decorate them for centerpieces. We had a vendor that had like a candle shop they open these little Cinderella. These are costing the rela pumpkins for the little ones are called syndrome and dope on the center politically handle in it. So yeah, it's very things you can do with them. I don't know words those are called Cinderella's because Cinderella's it looks like your coach and into a coach, but it's so small. Yeah. Teeny Cinderella baby. They inflated they make the pump the pumpkin blows up to the size of a co was not that size in the store. I think it was was not giant aureus, very nonspecific. The size of the pumpkin stories from Disney to been like seventy pounds. What? Yeah. It was a seventy pounds. I believe. Yes. I believe those are called maxes. Those are those are called max pump big. What's the heaviest pumpkin you've sold? Wow. Probably about seventy pounds. Right. I got it. Yeah. That was one for me because he got ripped off. Remember? What made you go? Okay. First of all what happens is just a few days a year that you sell pumpkins. And then what you just wait by the patch for them to grow. Again. What do you do in the off season? I look pretty. Do hit on vacation. No, well from December to two vacation hell of vacation and all on pumpkin money. You wouldn't think that someone would make money off of summing pumpkins? Right, right. Let's give you answer. What are you doing? When you're not minding the palm while after October. We jumping to the Christmas trees and your business Joan. We already have the property where we have pretty much everything set up. You just you just pay every now, and then the ones that haven't been sold you carve into the shape of Christmas. Foolishly? So so so the Christmas tree racket works for you to we have a Christmas spectacular coming up. We might need to call you. Honestly, I don't need a treat for you guys. Oh, that's disown. Our first annual tree decoration. Okay. Maranda street. We're trimming mattress this year. Turn out there tonight on my way. And there's. There was a there was a couple of pillows and food on in the food. John has a stain on it that I hope to God as Hawaiian punch. Yeah. It's more part of our scary show. Yeah. So and the food was covered in. Whole lion pun. I'm really still. Okay. So then there's Christmas with the trees, but that doesn't cover the whole year. We're staying still you still have nine months to account. Make me go to learn. I assume at Valentine's Day, you have harvested hearts that are just out on a on a patch a hard patch. What do you do after that woman? January's just generally comes around. And I have a also a family party supply business. So we provide. The water slides all that stuff. Busy guy rented waterslide for my son's birthday party this year. It was great. Yeah. That's nice all those naked teenage is on that water. Teenagers, and they were naked. I feel like I got to very weird place here. Here's something that's not on that subject. Do you ever get sick of pumpkins? No, I don't you. Don't over is not long enough. I need to make money. She she's like an Warner Brothers cartoon every time. She sees pumpkins. Just you know, big dollars going is coaching Jing the happiest time of you know, what? Yes, it is. And it's really not about me. Honestly, I yeah. I think it's more because we have a we pony rise. And people come in, you know, and it's it's just a different experience. You've as no we're not that big yet. Okay. Working on on with small space there. But yeah, those are really popular I hear I've never pay mazes popular. I lost a kidney. Hey mace. Yeah. I I find him. I thought you lost your mind. Oh my gosh. Terrifying. Terrifying. Scare as hey maze. One. We go to has a has a small hayme as if you're tiny kid, you the one you go to has poultry answers. I don't know how I'm getting this reputation. Simply was trying to say that teen sometimes show up without costumes accidentally said on dressed. I believe back quite clearly what you said does it ever creep you out like end of the night. It's dark there's nothing but pumpkins around. It's almost Halloween known. Scary about. To me have you ever had one late at night. And all of a sudden you saw these is and some orange hair on the top of it. And it was saying stuff like I never said that. No, none. None of my pumpkin pants super specific question. Yeah. Some to worry about somebody keep in mind, the happen team aren't haired pumpkins. I never said that I never said that is that a reference to something or is this just a hollow to something. What is what is it? Who says I never said that I don't know Martin Martin shorts famous Nathan therm character. No, are you gonna make guess all? Not all night. But certainly portion of the night. I think I'm just going to move on. All right. Tell me tell our listeners who you're referencing Warren chair. I never said that Liu ball. I'll give you a hint Lucille up. Ron Weasley while you're really groundskeeper Willie groundskeeper Willie was that from the Simpsons. I never saw that show. Okay. All right anyways. I just wanted to make sure okay. Great. Anyway. Thank you lily Cabrera for scaring up. This information about pumpkins follow. What advice can you give our listeners this Halloween about their pumpkins? Hey, kevin. Can you give me how spanned Kevin Kelso? Can you? Give me a little pumpkin summary background. If you're paying seventy dollars for an eighty pound, pumpkin. Which is what I did you getting ripped off the little pumpkins dip in at the stem are called Cinderella's the one that looked like but are called Twinsies because pumpkins aren't great marketing in a family patch. If you're selling pumpkins, you can jettison into Christmas trees and kick back and taught Tober if you don't carve your pumpkin it'll last until thanksgiving if you do carve it, and it gets more Sheehan full of fruit flies, maybe substitute the pumpkin ingredient in the pumpkin pie. All right lily, Cabrera is co owner of the Whittier pumpkin patch now. Open for your pumpkin needs in Whittier, California lily. Thank you for being on our show. cat of the week is kissing it from Fairfax Virginia. 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Well, that's a good idea at check them. They'll know that you heard it from us, right? Yeah. That's a good idea. And by the way, I'm gonna live all the win till next pumpkin seasoned. That's right now you live for. Thank you house van. Kevin Kelso little. Of. Yeah. Paula it's time for that segment that we cleverly call movie reviews of the original when a sequel is coming out, boy, we sure can brand Graham, Mojo unbelievable. But you know, it's a terrible title for what is a great great segment where we review a movie to let you know, whether the sequel, which is coming out in theaters is worth your time. Yeah. And the truth is we still don't really know if this sequel is worth your temple what we know for sure is if they're original wasn't good, right? If the bar is low to begin with what are the odds of the sequel being Greg Zach, that's why we watched Hala. Wean the eleventh film in the Halloween series is out, and it's ingeniously entitled Halloween. They ran out of numbers. And at once again stars, Jamie Lee Curtis now pollen, I went ahead and watch the original to offer you this review, and let me point out if you're not familiar with this new sequel this new sequel races all the sequels, and it is instead a direct sequel to the first Halloween the one that we watched. Yeah. So pretends that nothing has happened. Prior it pretend nothing that has happened in any of the ten sequels or nine sequels has happened. I see a lot to believe. Right. But I never seen hollow. I had never seen the original until I went to Adams house, and it came out in nineteen seventy eight it was directed and scored by John carpenter. He liked to write the music for movies. And I think I just really surprise me because I loved the carpenters music. You know, you put me at the top of all very upbeat. And yet this movie was dark. Yeah. Because it's a completely different carpenter. Yeah. He's not a member of the carpenters. Yeah. So that that that might be part of it. Now, this movie was shot on for budget two which would actually have been great ironic thing and to the knife. Yeah. Close to you your sternum. I'll say I don't like to be scared. You don't know. I don't know. Why Jamie Lee Curtis would wanna scare me? Like you're in. Freaky friday. She was great. And I normally don't like remakes, and I was nothing but positive above. Freaky friday. Okay. Then she came and scared me for one. This is her first film. She is from Hollywood royalty. She is the daughter of Tony Curtis, and Janet Leah believe. So she actually has a scream Queen bona Fiji's there. But however, right. This is the first movie. Introducing Jamie Lee Curtis nineteen seventy eight and I think she did a great job. She'll say there was some things. All right. So for those of you who didn't see the original that adamant, I just saw it's going to shock you to know that there are three high school girl friend that do sort of sexual banter back and forth. The one sort of black sheep in the group is Jamie Lee Curtis who seems a little more conservative title. More conservative, and it's Halloween night. The film begins with a flashback took place in the sixteen years before. Right. Some girl had been making boyfriend on the couch. Parents soprano now from it was Halloween, and you don't know right away that it's your little brother who's come in. And after two de stabs her to death. And by the way, the girl was sitting at her vanity brushing her hair either naked or naked from the waist big for new waste of. Yeah. And I would never brush my hair naked. I I don't know because I use a pick for one thing. Okay. And so I need as much protective garments because you might accidentally stab yourself with. So for you your version of Halloween would be the same music. Yeah. Sitting maybe topless, maybe not in front of a vanity. Yeah. And then in the murder started would become stabbing yourself with pitch. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It'll Dritan suicide is really not a harsh on that. I can think of there was a lot of stuff that wouldn't happen. I'll give you an example of one of the all right? So then they come forward number of years the kid that had done the stabbing. You find out has been put in like a mental mental home hasn't spoken in fifteen years manages to escape the mental home on Halloween for some odd reason he goes back to the same town where you're gonna go friends. Elsewhere. He was never took a driving lesson. Never took a driving lesson right there. He is zip along he merged did freeway driving to get there. You assume. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure he did. In the car. That's right. I have a license in this dense all over my car established your terrible driver. Yeah. But I don't kill people traits. The difference between me none of it was a low budget foam. Yes. Cost three hundred thousand to make and grossed seventy million. And yet they still spend a lot of money on the dialogue coach for the villain. He didn't speak. Yeah. It was wasted money was money down the drain. I see. Thing the guy from the carpenters was never really made to make scary foams. He's close to you. Yeah. That's not that you born John carpenter's completely different person. Jack, same guy almost certain. It's not. All right. I gotta tell you one thing. I was raised in Massachusetts. When I was growing up the school had address code girls had to wear dresses. Okay. And because it was Massachusetts and it was freezing. We wore thick Tate. This is going somewhere. We was tight. I have never seen Tate's the thickness of the ones that Jamie Lee Curtis war in this movie was wearing thick tights thick woolly tights. I gotta tell you sheep would have been too hot in those tights. Right. They were have been like is it me? Or is it warming? This is a very, yeah. Another thing that made that weird is the film takes place in hadn't field the fictional town of hadn't field Illinois on Halloween day. There's a couple of things that kind of giveaway that we're not in haddonfield, Illinois and Halloween day. Number one. The sun is still up at six thirty at night, which doesn't happen on Halloween. Number two. Everything's green. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. It turns shot and Pasadena. Yeah. Well, they tried to blow some colorful leaves on the ground occasionally. Yeah. But they were really you couldn't you didn't your focus was on her thick woolly tights, not really, oh, I couldn't take my eyes tights. We'll just to catch people. What happened is Michael Myers? The killer. Who is a five year old now is he's twenty ish. And he's he's out in back in town. He just bumps off everybody. Jamie lee. Curtis knows, right. Yeah. Yeah. Amblin broken into he had broken into the hardware store wary about that sort of awkward mask. There was really no explanation for he wore masks. Why he wore a mask? I mean, it's not like people recognize them. Yeah. No, not really. They haven't seen them in years been walked away five years. Exactly, he's been fantasizing would have been less conspicuous in no mask, the other thing that was confusing to me. And this is like a trait of movie, I think in general, you know, don't talk to one another the way these girls talked to one another don't know, they really don't you couldn't figure out? Why Jamie Lee Curtis would be friends with these girls that won't pretty bitchy to really? Fun of her social awkwardness and all they could talk about was getting to have sex with their boyfriends while they were supposed to be babysitting. And there was girls talk about though, inter babysitting. I didn't I can't say for the you're just not where you babysitter. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You and your girlfriends didn't talk about boys. We didn't talk about boys, and I did not have sex in the bed of the parents. Which is what do they had? There was some judgement ills, I feel well, you know, that's a trope in horror movies. I mean, it's a puritanical stroke in American culture. Obviously that if you. Horror movie, they had it come because messing our movie and you start messing around as a teen. You're going to get murdered. Oh is that true? Yeah. Absolutely. I didn't know that. Oh, maybe teen. They had the wisdom not to do that. When I was working into that kind of stuff any. No, I really wasn't not at all. I really wouldn't be qualified to talk about what teen girls who are interesting and friends that were girls, and they had perfectly normal lives as far as I know. And they never know whatever sat around talking. I don't know it just seems there was a stupid quality about these between the cross I could see boys having stupid conversations like that. I really can't see girls having stupid conversations. Like, okay. Well, it was written by a man and a woman co producer Debra hill wrote it with John carpenter. Yeah. Well, she lied. Okay. That's what happened. She was misrepresenting the women of America. Yeah. Yeah. It was probably trying to toughen him up a little bit because his music had always been. So, you know, you're too. There's nothing to do with it. I will say Halloween can hear a little bit of it. In the background the Halloween theme that John carpenter road is. Thank you. That was it is I think by far his best team because he read a lot. And a lot of them are really terrible. Yeah. No terrible. Does it make creepy? Birds suddenly appear. No every time. That's not what that is. That's exactly what it. Yeah. You couldn't tell why she was friends with her. There was there was a lot of lack of trust in the relationship. Like she'd be walking up stairs in the dark by herself. Yeah. After it's already clear something bad's going on in the neighborhood or and she'd go referring to her friend. Anne anne. Okay. Come out. This is in funny anymore. Right. So there was like a trust travel. I mean, I would there's thumping noise up there. Something bad was happening here. And she felt it was her friend pranking her. Well, she never really totally this situation. Right. Because like there's two or three occasions where she manages to strike a blow against the killer. But she always disposes over knife right afterwards, though. Well, now, he's dead. Yeah. If we learned anything from this movie, it's this never drop the knife. Yeah. He's gonna come back. Yeah. And if you see a guy come in into the house with. A knife goal in the kitchen get a knife for yourself. Yeah. You don't have to share have. That is weird. True. Knife is hold get a knife. With grip handle never rated never dropped the knife. Always hold. You make a good point. I don't think I've ever seen a horror movie wherein. Somebody answers is always like one knife that you're fighting over. Yeah. Yeah. It's like my kids with anything. We have more than one of those kitchen have to really nice kitchen knives. Yeah. When my kids used to fight with knives. I would say to them, right? Yeah. I would say get your own knife. Dabbing your sister sisters. I I sent didn't Santa bring you a sharp knife. You could do in a sibling with used to say this. And she know Allie took my neck, and it was very much evidence in this film. It was like the whole town had one one knife. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Thanksgiving took forever because you know, when you think about it that knife actually did kind of make rounds. It was you can one house. Pentagon the wall. Yeah. And I guess that guy was disposed of eventually he flipped down in the closet. Remember? Yeah. She opened the closet door and the guy swings down the way of stairs. Yeah. Dragged upstairs. But but then that knife was brought across the street to try to kill Jamie Lee Curtis and she eventually tries to stab Michael Myers within and one. I've got a lot of play that night is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. It just shows how town cooperate. Yeah. Okay. And the other thing I want to say that I think is important to bring up in terms of modern. It's not remake sequel, but the truth is nothing like what happened in the Halloween movie could happen. Now, why not because there would be no dialogue. They just be texting. So when she's washing up the stairs in the dark alone towards the banging sound. She would text. I'm not O Elling. Anne. There would be. Yeah. I guess she might do that. It couldn't happen. You'd never hear the, you know. Actually. No, it wasn't anti because she would text and she wouldn't hear the blue boop from upstairs of anti receiving text. Oh, yeah. She might she might have been able to save a lot of trouble by realizing that wasn't any upstairs. Well, she should realize it, and he wasn't in good shape. Any wasn't gonna make it who was the girl in the bed because we're there three girls up there. Now, there were just two girls up there. There was a girl in the pen. There was no there were three girls. Now, there were two girls. We were watching Davor fell. Yeah. Three girls girl in the bed, right, girl, clothing thing. Yeah. And then there was another girl. No now, I don't think. So. No, I think there was the boyfriend. Yeah. I think he'll I think he only murdered three people in that house that night the body count was a little bit bigger because there was a truck driver and a dog. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tell you one thing this villain. Not good with animal. No, no, absolutely. Not an animal person. Yeah. Definitely a lot of real killers. That's their one sort of, you know. Yeah. You know, so nice to the hamster. Exactly. Not this girl. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's not what honestly the movie did scare me. It did it. Did. You went home just listeners to see, you know, Pala went home kind of little spook. She's talking about how she had to walk past those big shrubs in front of her not just pick shrubs, but big shrubs with a guy in a mask and a knife. Well, he wasn't. That's what I was scared. You were scared of that wasn't the case. Just big Trump. One of the last things I do before I go to bed is have raisin toast with fake butter on it. And the idea that I would have to go out in my front yard and say that guy could have the night from minute, right? It just. Yeah. So you gotta make you got to make a toast. Nice and hot. Yeah. I was I was freaked out. I was chosen affective harm movie. If you like that sort of thing wasn't using it Donald plus I'd like him in the Colombo, the wine the winery Colombo, I like them alive. But he didn't try to scare me in that. No. Well, he was trying to scare you. He was trying to scare was scare would ask a question like sheriff. I mean year for like, are you sure Dr that he's around here. He's around here. Yeah. Yeah. He was definitely. Yeah. Kill. Yeah. And says did you hear that Paula? No. He didn't say that. Yeah. Yeah. We're here. So you are generally which to me says that this even today thirty forty years later, forty years later, this is an effective horror movie. Well, yeah. But who wants to be scared like that? And besides har- movie fans guy kept going after girls that were making balloon animals. He didn't. Not like that. He wasn't. Yeah. He did grow with the poodle. No the poodle balloon. Yeah. To two points here. He didn't. And when it comes to balloon animals, you don't even in a world where killers only after balloon animal artists, you're safe again, this is party balloon. It's folks. I wish you could see a picture. It's it's completely says happy birthday on it. And it's not going to be an animal of any sort of. It's just and also I think I've said this before this makes great radio right here. This is a pumpkin. Yeah. With a orange hair on the top. I didn't say that say that. Oh, I see Donald Trump. Now, I get it. Oh, it was your your pressure. So spot on I had to be Trump or Maury answered them. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. And I have no deals in Russia. Wow. And that was a little bit of judge Gabor to Shah. Can I I'm gonna try to focus you back on the movie all away? Yeah. Because the sequel is out it's doing quite. Well, I think it's in theaters in theaters already. Yeah. I think it is. Oh, it was just the time when he audience, here's this definitely. Okay. And so your advice as to whether people should go see this this sequel based on what you saw. You know, not if you wanna live alone. No. Okay. How about let's see living large, and well that house and you love horror movies. Knock yourself out. Yeah. Well, I don't know the great, pumpkin. I like that the great, pumpkin. Charlie brown. Kevin Kelso's just playing piece of music from that, Vince garage Lizzy. Lizzy shit. Did it really? The big pumpkin comes up. Yeah. That doesn't really scare me. So I gotta say this is I think your first sums up for a movie that comes up. I don't think people should be scared. Well, guess if you're going to rebel against the very idea of her movie. This is not a thumbs up. Yeah. I loved whatever happened to baby. Jane, I loved hush hush sweet, Charlotte. Okay. But this has no there's no heart to this film. There's no there was a couple of hearts that got stabbed. Yeah. Exactly. But there's no there's no spleen in this hard to it. There's no, you know, in sweet, Charlotte Bette Davis. She wants solved, and this you don't know what the guy wants to kill. He wants to only be seen for a few seconds behind shrub. He keeps disappearing. That's the he was really good at disappear. There was a lot of stuff that just didn't make any sense. I guess your record of disliking the movies that we review is blemished. Yeah. Exactly. So that's a no from you. But my review. Is that that is a horror classic really held up for me. And I would say, yeah. Checkout Jamie Lee Curtis forty years later in the sequel, I'm giving up. I she's gonna have the same tights. Not. It's never been about the tights. It's just never been watching other things thick. We've it was. They were thick tights not trip. I'll tell you that probably not probably not. And that lays gentlemen is this week's movie review of the original. When a sequel is coming out. Hey listeners now that you don't have to watch Halloween. You have to additional hours of your life to play with. You might wanna listen to other maximum fun podcasts. Let's hear about a couple of those right now. Friendly fire is a war movie podcast. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to it. Boy, I'll say, you know, a lot of people Ben in Adam might not initially watch a war movie podcast. 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Police Killing Of Fred Hampton Remembered Via WBEZ Archives

Reset with Jenn White

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Police Killing Of Fred Hampton Remembered Via WBEZ Archives

"Makes sense of the day with consider this. The new local meets national podcast from wbz npr. You'll get up to speed in less than fifteen minutes with context and commentary on stories happening in chicago and around the world. Listen to consider this wherever you get your podcasts. Hi i'm suzanne and this is reset. Eric garner michael brown tamir rice. Liquid mcdonald riana. Taylor george floyd just some of the black americans killed by police officers over the past several years. Their deaths have outraged. Millions sending people of all colors into the streets demanding justice and demanding actions be taken to change difficult and often deadly relationship between law enforcement and black america december fourth marks. The fifty first anniversary of one of the most notorious police killings in history. It happened right here in chicago chicago police. And what's now most often referred to as a murder killed activists organizer and local black panther. Leader fred hampton and fellow panther mark clark as. They lay in bed sleeping justin. Toby ash is in charge of wbz's archives and she recently unearthed the broadcast did december fourth of nineteen eighty nine to takes a deep dive into the death of fred hampton. So we're doing a few things. Here were celebrating. Wbz's past we're remembering the life and death of fred hampton and we're highlighting grim parallels in thousand nine sixty nine and twenty twenty when black americans were killed by cops and people took to the streets demanding change. Here's the original report. Put together by carol gray with from the pacific radio archives that crap. We might not be back. I might be in jail. I might be anywhere. But when i leave you my head on apply fred hampton old chairman of the illinois black panther party shot dead by the chicago police in a predawn raid on his apartment. Twenty years ago today peoria illinois panther leader mark. Clark was also killed the official story to hit the press. Was that the police came armed with a search warrant at four in the morning to confiscate illegal weapons. They said they were fired. At by the panthers and had to shoot back in self-defense. At the time state's attorney. Edward hanrahan confirmed their wireless criminal reaction. The occupants in shooting officers emphasizes the extreme viciousness of the black panther party because of the climate of the times. There was some reason to believe the police version. Dennis cunningham attorney for the hampton family. People may remember. There were The panthers swore in those days nationally. Newton lay down an edict. they don't get past doorstep. You know you defend the place you're into the death and anybody who was captured in a raid excommunicated and hampton himself always had a quick answer for why the panthers were armed posse as we intend to invent Did to the past. We're gonna do it today the day after that and then day after that because only property example of self defense in the profit example of retaliation and by letting these people know that we moved fuzzy basic laws that anything goes down with the press people on the of the oppressor is should be reciprocal in plain language. It takes two to tango but people who feared the panthers had to admit there was one thing that police account couldn't explain the physical evidence of the apartment. There was only one bullet hole that showed. A shot was fired from inside the apartment and ninety nine bullet holes fired from the outside in later. Investigations concluded the one shot. Outward was likely fired by mark clark as his gun. Hit the floor following a fatal shot through his heart flint. Taylor another attorney for the hamptons tells what happened when the police inadvertently left the apartment unsealed following the raid panthers organized tours to go through the apartment into show everybody what had happened. Because of course hanrahan was saying that it was a shootout and the panthers that initiated it and and the panthers brought the community of thousands and thousands of people paraded through That apartment in the next ten days or so and they showed them where the bullet holes were and they showed him the bloody mattress and they caught and it was just. That in itself was incredible. Educative experience outcry in chicago grew loud enough to force the police into taking extraordinary steps to defend their actions. They built a mockup of hamptons apartment and the local. Cbs tv station ran. An exclusive of them reenacting their every move that night bombers man with the center of his body coming back like this two hands were laying over the bed like this and offers or right below. his was a forty five automatic. Cbs went for it but they had a rehearse it again dennis cunningham and they had to do it over and over again for the cost gitta right because they were making it up and so they had these outtakes that showed them cussing and say you know they'd opened the door. No maybe say the wrong thing and then they'd have to start over and so we got a hold of the outtakes finally in case and it was a joke. I mean it really ridiculous. They also gave in exclusive photograph to the chicago tribune. Which they said was the bullet. Ridden door to hamptons apartment again to show how they were attacked by the panthers. The bullet holes turned out to be nails in the door. Their cries of self defense fell on deaf. Ears as survivors of the raid began telling their side of the story. They broke into the door and they had flashlights and shallow flashlights around the room and they started shooting and they black panther brinda harris nineteen years old that was shot in the hand and leg in thirty eight now. She lives with her. Mother works as a clerk and goes to school to learn spanish. I had my eyes closed. A lot of the time and one of the policeman thought i was dead and i heard him say this will look like she's dead. And when he said that opened my eyes and he started kersee and some policemen's they kept telling me. I better die in the back room black panther. Deborah johnson slept next to hampton. Two weeks later she would give birth to their son. Deborah had been in the back bedroom in bed with fred and see went out and then the cop went in and and south through the head twice while he lay right there. In the bed today johnson worsening a law office. She's a strong woman with trusting. Is that show no trace of what she saw that night when i was coming out of the back room While i was pregnant i had on a roll and One of the policemen grabbed open my role by have anything under it and they said what do you know. We have a broad here. I mean i was still pregnant. Should have been no question another officer pull my hair and kind of threw me into the kitchen area. I was handcuffed behind my back and I only had on how shoes it was snow outside. We got out one of the policemen that took me out of the paddy wagon put revolver stomach and said you better not try to escape. I could hardly walk. Let alone run. Initially the panthers were charged with attempted murder but the charges couldn't stick and were soon dropped. The survivors then turned the tables and sued hanrahan and the police for violation of their civil rights and the wrongful deaths of hampton and clark during the trial evidence surfaced that shocked the country rather than being the isolated act of an overzealous police force. The raid was part of an fbi. Program designed to quote neutralized black militants. Who director j edgar hoover thought were a threat to the country subpoenaed. Fbi documents revealed that the purpose of the covert counterintelligence program. Cohen was to eliminate the possibility of a black messiah. Dennis cunningham tells how co intel pro worked was you know so discord right false letters. Put it make. He dropped hints at people are snitch. Informants you know set up for criminal arrests work with the local police to try and get them busted. And and i mean there's a tremendous literature and those files of how elaborate an operation. This was how many people and how much energy and resources from the fbi was devoted to. And how hoover and a whole echelon of top dogs were completely consumed with it over months. And months of time. I mean it was the flow of papers staggering hampton. Although not named as a possible messiah was considered such a threat. He was a rising star and the national press was starting to focus on him. The following interview was with a member of a new york-based video documentary group of people that are outside of the black community who haven't been harassed till now or even even people in the black community. That don't really know what the panthers are. Act how do you tell them that. You are defending yourself. All the they see five. Panthers violence just like they see Maybe hippies in violence or sds and violence and they think that you know that's all you wanna do is get guns a more kind of like even an education program. What are the panthers into as far as that. Five people in the ghetto don't have to be educated. I know that but like there are people a lot of people should be and maybe you could like get to those people. Are you trying. I don't think anybody trying harder and in this temps admit any more successful. We out there. Every day and educating people learn by example. I i don't think anybody has now. I think when you can see the people learned basically by and participation. I think by the caught on onto that. So what you're saying is that they learn. Bob's vision and participation that we need to do more acting than we need to do. Righty and i think the black panther party is doing that. We didn't talk about a british petroleum. We've got more. We not going to tell you. How many keys maintain the freedoms feeders. The cargo feeding three thousand four thousand every week already and i don't know how many all around the country we're not talking about beginning to think about treating people free when they need medical services. We opened in the free clinic in the city of chicago in less than three weeks. These type examples that people can relate to hampton said. The panthers were the vanguard there to help educate the public. We're moving to a level where people are going to take over control of their destiny. They are going to take over. Control that nudity. And the first doing this is dealing with the most Integral part of the fascist tree. Three way oppression. We said demographic line pilots and avaricious greedy businessman and we fascist peed cops but the one that's most evident wanders closest wanders more clear the one that's more defined in the black community is those fascist. Pa cops so what we're saying is if the people can deal with these fools we will we will have taken a revolutionary. Step revolutionary leap. I should say so. That's the program that we think going to move into. High level is going to raise. Contradictions antagonistic contradiction. We prepared to deal with the people who deal with and indeed another threat to the fbi. Was that hampton was reaching out beyond the black community is also important that the people in peace movement moso identify with the black panther party calls people they believe in peace and people peace she deal and support the vigorously peacemakers. The black panther party must be designed. It has to be out of necessity defined peacemakers because we deal with defending our those break the peace keeping an eye on hampton. The fbi planted an informant. Waymo neil into the party. Many believed o.'neil drugged hampton. The night of the raid because no one was able to wake him up when the shooting began. What's known for sure is that o.'neil supplied a floor plan of the apartment to the fbi. The floor plan was a layout of the apartment. Showed the safe and location of the rooms and showed where the bed wasn't doorways. Were and Showed them where they could. You know what they would be dealing with if they would come in with of course since they came in the middle of the night and was pitch dark was Invaluable to them for the next several years the lawyers refused to give up on the case even though the police took it all the way up to the us. Supreme court jeff has a third hampton attorney tells how it was to argue the case before federal judge sam. Perry curry was eighty. One year. Old white judge from alabama. Who was not the least bit going to ever allow the panthers to prove that the fbi Kill their leader anyway. He said well. You don't like anything as far as you concerned. Except your way. And i said well judge. There hasn't been anything that has happened and he said. And you're not going to have your way. I said i know my way is a fair trial. I know i'm not going to get it. Judge that is totally clear in this courtroom and he said you bet your life. You're not gonna get it. I think he said rather specifically exactly what the circumstances were that case but against all odds the lawyers won a cash settlement for the families and survivors. Fourteen years later it was paid for by the city. County and federal governments cunningham said that the trial papers produced over the years explained why the original indictments against the panthers were dropped right from the start when the fbi said it was investigating the raid. There wasn't fact a deal in the making the fbi was pretending all during that time to be You know independent and looking into it and so then hanrahan start a white male them and he said you know. Don't push this stuff too far. We're gonna tell you were in on it too. And that's when they cut a deal and the deal with reflected in a memorandum. That said you know okay. They're going to drop the charges against the panthers and And the Grand jury investigation is gonna not result in. Police will be indicted. They'll just write a report. Which is what they did on all hooked up according to cunningham. Everyone felt vindicated in exposing the fbi. Even though they weren't able to prove that the federal government actually intended to kill hampton the involvement of the fbi and setting up the raid was totally intimate and indispensable particularly in the provision of the floor. Plan and the intention of the fbi to neutralize them is undeniable. So you know. What's the difference when you get to heaven. You find out the truth. The men who might already know the truth the police hanrahan and the fbi interviewed twenty years later. Many see hampton's death as just an accident of fate but a deliberate act again. Flynn taylor december fourth tribune and The papers we're talking about a shootout and that kind of thing and then you see the by the boston globe last month when they were talking about he newton they talk about the hampton case and they talk about the murder of fred hampton. So at least we have that as a palpable. Change in the way history. And and and that's Some kind of almost mainstream history not just movement. History views The event so. What's the legacy of that bloody night that silence to angry invoices twenty years ago today a lot of respect for for all of chicago's second ward was minister of defense back. In those days he said of the many things hampton's death did one was to change the face of chicago. Politics rush said the black community once willing to vote democratic no matter what turned its back on the democrats after the raid sacrifices lying then the political victory herald wasserman would not every because the result response to murder The black community would enter state attorney. Who was one of the board of the democratic party. something that indicated. He was going to be the person who replaced the original. The of merit and The black community rose up and defeated. hanrahan hope relented and the blackman has not been to the democratic. Party has says hampton's death was another blow from which the black community has not recovered. I think when you study the facts of the hampton case it's clear cases probably is well documented will ever be of a state assassination have ads. We don't see people of the stature of fred hampton in leadership positions and we want one of the reasons why there are so many destructive elements in the black community wide drugs and gangs have taken such hold is because to some extent the co intel pro program was effective. It did wipe out. Black leaders like fred hampton. And it's no accident than hampton and malcolm and martin luther king and a number of other people who probably could and would be leading. The black community are dead. Deborah johnson agrees. The section of louis farrakhan there are no leaders in the black community to harness the rage she sees every day. Johnson vowed not to get involved or join another group after she left the party but now he's having second thoughts. I see the same things occurring in nine hundred. Eighty nine that occurred in nineteen sixty. Nine police brutality. The attitude that permanent permeates is country is wanna. it's okay. What is done to african americans in this country. It's acceptable by law. You will not get punished for. We see that not just in chicago. But across the united states also the Control and manipulation of the media in terms of distorting what happens to us in our community and not reporting things that are pertinent to our survival also see very vividly an escalation of denial of medical care for african americans in minority people. Basically it's a repeat to me sixty nine and i'm not satisfied with myself. I'm not involved in that. So i vowed never join. An organization is no void. If johnson's right if it is nineteen sixty nine all over again. Will the public be more prepared for battle this time around again. Fred hampton the people who don't want to be wiped out struggled. We struggled properly. We don't feel that people that don't struggle right to. We think that if people go into the ring mohammed ali and put up any musicians and it'd be wonder why get in they have to be idiots before you have no right to win because you didn't fight. We severe steps your data struggle to win if you didn't have to. Struggle dole deserves nobody including the panthers. New the danger they were in or how numbered their days really were. The following conversation took place only a few months before hampton was killed. Would about killing anybody to calls. Though they by tidal power be wiped out. Martin luther king and he went out now. Thematic wiped all these people will produce flat things in the near future youth program immediately by the government. They probably have a protecting people like us because they wiped out new cleveland. I know very well. If we wish to god that we had a huge new only beef because dismal was the whole you heard hampton speak would are with the fbi about one thing. He was a powerful voice. Who was hell bent on leading his people from his early days in the acp to his brief life as a black panther our company dad moved. Dad us this guy out as In dat black panther leader. Fred hampton shot dead by the chicago police twenty years ago today for. Wbz this is carol gray. Original material from the wbz archives things to wbz just in tokyo. Carol gray was the original producer. Special things to the pacifica radio archives. And that's a wrap for today's reset. If you like what you hear on the reset podcast telephoned about it and take about thirty seconds to leave a rating and review really helps other people find us. I'm suzanne thanks for listening. And we'll see you right back here tomorrow for more reset from. Wbz chicago right now. On the curious city podcast one hundred years ago and african american boy drowned igniting a week of race riots in chicago but tensions had been building for years and some chicagoans wanted violence. They were looking for an opportunity to blow the lid off and so when this event happened at the beach. They said this is it. This is our chance to really meant to race war. The deep causes of the nineteen nineteen race riot. That story and many others inspired by your questions. Wbz dot org slash curious city.

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Actor Daniel Kaluuyas Road to Revolutionary

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Actor Daniel Kaluuyas Road to Revolutionary

"Each listener supported w nyc studios. The united states of anxiety is supported by audible with an audible plus membership you get full access to the plus catalogue filled with titles across different formats and genres download or stream without limit. Offline anytime anywhere visit audible dot com slash anxiety or text anxiety to five hundred. Five hundred hit everybody. I was excited to see earlier this week. Right after we finished the show on sunday. Actually that actor. Daniel kaluga won a golden globe award for his role. Portraying fred hampton the chair of the illinois black panther party and the film judas and the black messiah. It's cool film and it just so happens that i recently had the pleasure of interviewing daniel about this very role interview aired as a segment on the new yorker radio hour which is also a great show enemy partnered up with them a few times in the past and i really wanna share a version of it with all of you as well now. Obviously you haven't heard many celebrity interviews on our show you're more likely to meet an activist or a historian but in this case it's a really neat overlap because the movie is itself a history of this consequential life this barely adult activist who gave literally everything to the struggle for racial equity. Actually here's something. Daniel said about that in his golden globe acceptance speech. This took out me. I gave everything that a great mix you hudson says. We're here to give to an empty. And i gave everything and couldn't give to a more. No man as chairman fred hampton and hope generations of this can see how brennan he four. How brilliantly he spoke and how brilliantly he loved and he taught me about myself maybe grow as a man and appreciate my heart and i hope people as information about how he died by. Hope you people out there will grow and learn about hong credible. He lived daniel. And i talked a lot about fred hampton in the panthers but we also talked about his overall career as an actor as a black man trying to carve out his own artistic path. Hope you enjoy it. When did you realize you wanted to be a storyteller and an actor. Mark teaches us to tell my mama and she get into acting. And i realized back in the day like my momma. She told a novel mum. She said yes. She got me into that to get me off the streets essentially it was. You know you could get sucked into a couple couple energies. You know so. Fridays saturdays and sundays. But just doing something you know. And then 'cause it was improvisation you know it was really scary at the beginning for doing it. And then i found that you can have a career of those people in my class on tv. Mccarthy there was people in the that more advanced glosses on tv and not see them. And i was wow you. Tv laughing improv essays. Improviser creative are acting as an interpretive. So there's something about improv is inherently satisfied essentially so you just creating something out enough and you and when it hits hits and really challenge myself and always would do something different every week. A script for years of me doing that so when people gave me was. Is that what you're gonna tell what to say. It's amazing and did you ever return to writing writing plays and whatnot back into the right in sixteen ryan plays but i know what used to write them down. I used to like tell people do this. Do with formulating ideas. And in that way. I realized that this is my finger then skins happened in we rolling right skins ran for some years on british tv but it was at least a decade before you had a lead in a big hollywood film which was jordan. Peele get out. And i don't know if you understand just how much that shook so many of us here in the. Us like how much your performance grab people like me. How did you come to that rule. It's funny because it's awesome With start i wanna bud spoke in my life of all of them rejection of the color of my skin. Get rose in exempts would come in and say noblesse leads so i was in a in a weird position where i felt like had done the time i realized it was meritocracy. This industry it wasn't. I was pissed that it wasn't a mentor cousy. It was always annoyed. That i believed in it like i was like man. I believed him. They told me something believed. And so i didn't ask for a year and a half on donald. Just like let me take time. Not just let figure out who. I am not doing this. Well i mean certainly it was just the beginning of an eruption of essential performances from you. So you play in black panther in two thousand eighteen and the later that year you're in widows by steve mcqueen and then you follow that up with a lead role in the film. Queen and slim queen slim does really challenging. Because it was like. I felt really see characters in in is because he's content. He don't eat us. What meal he has does he wants a lady to share that with. But that's it. And i realized that was a real challenge for me because possibly i wasn't content and more than. Why was that communicating about me to me. It's like an all that you're you don't lack yourself. You don't feel your enough you me slimming enough. His life is enough. I think that's a beautiful thing to say and you don't receive people. Yeah i'm good. Well that feels like a great transition to talking about deputy chairman fred hampton and judas in the black messiah. I wonder before you read the script. Did you know about the black panther party. What did you. What did you bring in to this in terms of that history a new just not there wasn't total in school at school about it Very minimal. it was like a passing comment in. Yeah kinda just was taken stuff in naturally. Just like dealing with the frustrations of being a young man in a country like an actually caring deeply about self empowerment. And i would just be gravitating towards black parties ideologies and philosophies and concepts and if back then before you made the film for. He started studying. If somebody had asked you to. Describe the black panther party. How would you have described it here. People who uncompromising about protecting themselves is how would have described it before. And did you know about the history of the fbi's role in trying to dismantle the panthers to you familiar with that history as well. I was aware of the blattman sayer. Monday agenda. I was aware of that and i don't know when i came. That came to me but i remember what they did was. They tried to what. I remember that guy full. Just as what about. Fred hampton himself. I mean you know. I have to say i imagine anytime and actor steps forward. Play a notable person like this. It's got to be complicated right because we're all watching and we already have all these ideas about this person in this case somebody like fred hampton. I mean he really means something quite deep emotional. Dominicus us to me. He's literally a martyr in the struggle for my own personal freedom. That's how i see him. So i just wonder how you mentally. How physically would prepare did prepare for a role like that look look A win a shepherd king the director amazing garrett Asked about the black panther reading list so in order to be willing to be a fully-fledged practically needs gone six weeks of political education. So what's reading this. So he's he sent me to read. Listen i just started reading reading the books. And i just saw as like i need to get into the before. I started looking at chairman. Fred i needs to get into the mindset in the idea what they were talking about and getting into it from a nine late sixties point of view as opposed to two thousand eighteen twenty nineteen point of view because we gross over custody and poor with the walk. As goes who you think is for us to go to the hospital with a runny nose. Come home in the body bay. The party heightened time to digitize allegiance one of my favorite scenes in judas in the black messiah. It might be when deborah johnson whose fred hampton's partner played by dominique fish back she catches you listening to a speech and i think it was malcolm x. And you're kind of mimicking him like a kid lip synching to a pop song. Almost a i was really taken back to my own teenagers. They're listening. To recordings of louis farrakhan and trying to sort of mimic his voice myself and and it struck me that you were performing a performer in some ways did not consider himself a performer right. Nah i didn't see as a as a performance. I think if i saw at a performance then i'm engaged with ego lack chairman fred's ego. I think he's a student. You know and like understanding that he really really did. Listen to malcolm x. Speeches and martin. Luther king speeches known to build his skill set of public speaking. But it's kind of like he. I don't feel like it would have served me to see him as a performer. Because it was a very real to him him his one and desire for people to awaken for themselves manifested with those speeches and the way that he told us speeches. I wouldn't even though only. Because i got i believe i'm going to how many people people i think it was so important to see him as a human being you know who's an icon this and not any is there. But he's an icon because he's human being because he's a human being that love deeply and he loved black people deeply that's ways aircon and to have access because he was twenty twenty one twenty one years old. It's one of the things that just keep sticking sticking out to me. They were so young they were babies doing during these remarkable things. I want to ask you about that. Doesn't include your character. But i think is really important. It's it's because it shows the differences between someone like fred hampton and below. Bill o.'neil Who was the fbi. Informant played by. Keith stanfield the two men of course could not be further. Apart in terms of how they lived how they viewed the world and while watching the scene i wondered how hampton would have responded to the fbi agent. Roy mitchell played by jesse clements and here. The agent explains the purpose of their work to the informant. Let's listen to that. Don't let hampton fool you. The panthers in the klan are one in the same. Their aim is to sow hatred and inspire terror plain and simple now. I'm all for civil rights but you can't cheat your way to equality and you certainly can't shoot your way to that for me. That line there is like seeing the the radical of perspective on things does and how they presented in such a rational way is like oh this the people who lynch black people to can are the same as people who feed kids. This is what we are engaging with pat. And i'm not illuminated so much to me i'll wow i didn't see it because you don't hear that point of view i don't know but it's like i think it's important for us to really dissect like this is how they see us. The antagonize ation rooted in welfare and widens iii. Then be named the terrorists because they educate kids because they love themselves because it was uncompromising with that that was experienced as terrorism by the certainly fbi. Look at the film it was can own. New owner was action activated by the fbi. National sleep saying let's not sleep. He was a nineteen year. Old kid put in a situation by men and they said you've got prison. You're doing this. But let me ask you this about o.'neil because i i've also heard shaq king. The writer and director say he wanted viewers to wrestle with where we each fit in the spectrum. Between these two people. Fred hampton and bill o.'neil this the communitarian versus the individualist socialist versus the capitalist brave hampden versus a truly terrified. Bill o.'neil and i. I wonder then for yourself as you were making this film. Chocking wanted us to wrestle with that as individuals d. did you have occasion to wrestle. With that. with yourself. Removed from the film. I can really see o'neill's position and see the dangers of apathy in a dangerous of indifference. You think preserving himself but you want destroying yourself. I can see that you mentioned earlier that you were earlier in your career. You were upset that you had believed in the idea of meritocracy. And i wonder then after you. You have these films this this incredible run of films Where you're successful by anybody's measure. I just wonder did you re do you reflect back on that moment. How does it change what you do. Or don't think about the process of getting these roles. Mon was dog and it was beautiful. Because i realize his non you just go and get the mindset of why people need to give me something. No one could give me anything like mine. Everybody i have his mind san and nas to shift it was like it was all matter had a belief in me that betrayed my essence. You fool me people to give me a space. If you do this this this this i looked at their measurement of who i am as opposed to just look into myself and go. Who am i would do is known for what my feelings telling me about me. You say acting accordingly johnson. That's that's why it was a beautiful moment. 'cause i was free jazz. And his order stuff. That would is things that they say. Unions addition. He's not you just don't you. Just don't let me let you don't love me. Is that accurate. I have to ask you also before we go about your next project or an upcoming project as i understand it which at least on the surface sounds to me like quite a departure from all the work. We've been talking about barney the dinosaur. I understand you're going to produce a film about barney. Why barney Why not reason why. I love kids films. You can really allow really credible messages to go through that because you go to the base core of storytelling and what resonate with me is that body. Said i love you. You love me. Won't you say you love me too. And people hate him but he never actually to us like what happens if that person love doesn't love you back. Oh wow i just find it really. Profound is going to be a feature film or documentary and win. Can we expect to have. This film is being built now. So you know you know. And that's all. I'm saying that's it you already. You already my guys fair enough fair enough. Thank you thank you so much for this time. Thank you so much guys yet to me. Hey special thanks to offense at the new yorker radio hour for this interview and particularly to california who produced the initial version of this conversation. I hope you'll check out the film if you haven't already done. So if you wanna really get your head into what the black panthers were trying to achieve. I urge you to check out a book. It's called the black. Panthers portraits from an unfinished revolution by brian. She and her williams. The panthers were more about social service and community building than anything else that gets lost. Sometimes the focus on their unapologetic self defense. Which is a great thing and on the dashing young men instead in the spotlight this book. It's a chain of oral histories from women and the men who were doing that work in the community and many of them are still doing today so check it out. It's a great read at a really nice appearing with this film so thanks for listening and talking step aside. The united states of anxiety is supported by audible the leading provider of spoken word. 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Globes, Man: Turn Off the Zoom (with Dominique Fishback)

"And we're back all episode of keep it madison. The third and negro month is. We're not black. We're back when you one lewis. I'm cackling at the sky. Thunderous crashing upon us. I'm louis louis works for this on. Is it on doing a my name. Is daniel colonia. Thanks for coming to. That was pretty good. Aida on it so everything. He says he could be he could be you know spewing hatred and bigotry and still be like i love you daniel fuck me. Wow that was so soothing. Yeah and he's a talented actor which we'll get into today because of our various team gust. Yes yes we are joined by dominic fish bat from judas and the black messiah or rather i am joined but dominic fish back on this interview and then i got caught up doing a damn bit being a comedy. Heroin and you'll. You'll never know how hard i worked. Dominic fish back. I won't i didn't get to burden her with problems even though she is fabulous in the movie and is immediately commanding the miniature here screen like what is this woman doing. It's very good. Yeah has a way of having a face who's like precious and menacing and the same time like grow. I'm confused precious menacing. That's fine so talented. Your little girl actually maybe to always up to no good comedy heroin lewis. I did see a video guard around of a camel and like your voices just in it So it's so exciting. Seeing people figure out. What's the i asked people on the street to identify doug emhoff's and it turns out the world is behind on comma harasses husband and i realize herself gray and recognized his face. Bow not his last name. I had picture. Yeah and her daughter is all over the place. I guess daughter. So that's like the family photos recognizing carmela in the video. Y- the bit starts out with me asking about him and then it turns into wait. Can you identify her either. And one woman tries to say her name seventy times ends like kamalia collab fail. That's correct. Yes they all recognize. Meena harris dow because she's everywhere and probably for takeoff right. We've got our annual golden globes episode. This year was a trilogy. We've actually done a few weeks in a row oneness normally the year kicks off with our golden globes episode like our very first episode of the show was about the golden globes and this year. It's like what march it's disgusting. No usually the golden globes are what got me through the utter doldrums of post holiday stupor like three kings. Day is not over until i've seen a drunken judi dench walk up to the mike i'll be shocked if the hollywood foreign press association ads black people next year. Because how else are we going to be talking about the golden globes scandal surrounding it. These silly fucking awards have gotten so much attention this year. I think they're going to have to add a very scandalous. A black person like like all the drama is times up. And i'm glad times pharma gutter ends of asia. I mean really really going down that bulletin list. John eighty nine white journalists. Stacey dash just ready to vote right to add a journalist next year who creates a scandal themselves so then the question is you added a black journalist but at what cost ira pop. Guess i say. Are you volunteering country moving to. Because i'm very excited about that. I was actually joking with our fred. Chris about how i would love to become the sole black member of the p. a. I think that that would be. I think it would be a good time. The only living black h fps member tells. All i get like a fake residue ed's in port-au-prince i dunno. Yeah me canosa zone. I romanticized at that table. Thank you. I just wanna be wined and dined by black celebrities. Then you know. Because i'm they'll all come to me black. Hp member oprah will be like come to the venue but then what will you do to convince the eighty nine other people to vote along with your bribes like you got bought off. What will you do to convince like you know the creepy austrian. Chea right to do what you want. Oh if i become a member of the p. a. then it's going to turn until like ten little indians situation. Oh that no. that's how it should be. Yeah yeah yeah. I just i just want to lure them all tom. Then bumper moth. I feel like they're all dressed like murder. Mystery characters too. So i think that would work out spoiler alert. That is actually the plot of knives out to ryan. Johnson sent me the script. That's who i play. Are we really getting that knives out to is happening. It is happening. Yeah wow it was a fish and then the pandemic heaven. So i'm assuming is gonna shoot this year. It's nice to get to look forward to that mystery. As opposed to the kenneth branagh death on the nile. We're getting with like gal gadot. I'm like the first. One was such a disaster murder on the orient express. And now i have to deal with her comedy again and she's pregnant now so unless day right it into the script. She's going to be carrying around pineapples. Imagine the people. I'm gonna make other people. Happy little kids out. We also are going to be talking about miss taylor swift this week. Oh down again. She did not drop another album aida. She prepping for another documentary. I'm usually what's happening is prepping for war with net flex roach up to and jona. Hell is taken on the daily mail. So which is how. I get my news so without that i'm fucked i'm worried if destroys the daily mail. How am i going to get an h. No content. I have already been rejected by car. Here's to cinema. Daily mail is like how you find out who has the grossest celebrity butts or whatever horrible headlines so and so looks to shovel the she blanked blanks. Yeah it's like a mean just jared. Ooh i mean i support in but in practice is to me right you re just jared. It's like oh okay nick. Jonas stepped out in burberry today. whereas the daily mail is rita ora looks drug. She falls out of a car in so with a birkin bag. Yes yes always highlights. What she's word. Actually that was quite. Flattering what you said to just share it. Because i think of just jared has more like anna kendrick whom we stand has a lovely day. Like just i'm true. Just jared is sort of like the banal citings of celebrities right which the dumas industry has taken over. If you're familiar. Instagram count ever look up dumas d. e. u. x. And it is a whole from its. You cannot escape. Every update is like anonymous and the t could not be bland. Or it'll be like. Please don't post my name but i saw jalen hall looking wonderful like that's just like you. And where where. There's no information i have. It is the lipton ice tea that you left in the kitchen on your way to work and then you get back after work and you realize it's still there and you're like well i guess i'll drink. Yeah my favorite thing about this admissions to is. There's they'll usually be one where it's like. I interacted with kate hudson and she was a bitch a non-pleased and then like two slides later. Someone will be like. That's not true at all. I interacted with kate hudson. And she's very lovely a non-pleased glad. We saw that only one interaction with hasn't can be a live science. Only one presidents ever spoken also. I love the people continue to be blown away by the idea that a celebrity might be salting to you. Do you know why people want to meet celebrities so they can talk about themselves when you go up dry celebrity. It is about you. Why would their immediate instinct be to coddle you until loving everything about them i understand like ability as somewhat part of their job description but not in a guerrilla way on the street ever happened to me. It'd be like two weeks of getting fawned over that. I could handle and then beyond that. It's like i can't speak to you guys. I no longer work for you. I'm not a servant of the people. I mean we have people who listen to our podcast. Who approach oh sometimes back in the before days you know what i may not be nice if you find me at a bar in west hollywood at two thirty. Am and i am drunk. I stopped me if i've said this before. Occasionally i'll be out in west. Hollywood with billy eichner and when people approach him. It's not always this way. People will try to do his bit at him. Like fake microphone to face. It's like how is he supposed to interact with that like clearly. First of all. It's a sticky does and you want him to reenact the stick. It's so crazy. What people want from people they casually run into. It's a it's. I'm sure that's not news to anybody listening. But it's really unthinking how people interact with certain celebrities. No and then that person will then go and write on a website or a foreign right and say yeah. I went out to say hi to billy eichner and he was so rude and wouldn't say hi to me and it's like well you didn't right the fact that you put a fake microphone in his face and started screaming at him like you were doing on the street man please and onto let us get. Let's actually get a reverse wa were celebrities right about the action. I met this asshole name. Janet lookout for her. She's lives near lax. She stalked me in trader. Joe's for our then finally came up to me and asked if i would autograph her trader. Geo toast pasta. So you know who i think would be good. At this charlene darren charlotte. Yeah oh of course not. I've already talked about on the show. How charlene africa follow me on twitter. What's big mistake. And at at. And i know one of the people who work for her and i was like did you do this and key was like now like she found herself. She thought you were funny months later. I was unfollowed no longer. That'd be funny. I feel like you got a small window. Charlene rather she was looking for iran africa. Ira america we'll be right back with golden globes chat so we just had the seventy eighth golden globes a ceremony. We have the moaned frequently in the past few weeks. Because who's to say what it really means other than we watch it and for some reason celebrities still go and ultimately i blame them and can't be blamed for following them that said we got the sort of zoom cast. We expected sort of in the tradition of last year's ami's and as you know i worked on those emmys and every speech i would think to myself this one could go wrong and for some reason it never did and on this one. The first speech had a gaffe and the was covered up. It was daniel columbia trying to give a speech and by the way was so was he on mute he was muted did like was he muted or he did he do that himself. I have no idea. Oh conspire means right. Inspire okay. That's just feels. They would immediately right on the first award. I don't know i'm thinking about it. But i did think it'd be funny if every time somebody was about to give a speech. Laura dern interrupted them and said they wanna thank everybody. But we don't have time. New playoff is just laura dern lord her face she was horrified to have to be like so sorry but not gonna get in the midst of a racism scandal. Nine at a you know. Laura was pissed too because i'm the one who dates black men so exactly. I don't see immediately called common. Yes like the awkwardness of that moment wasn't just that he was cut off. Like laura dern reached out to nothing it was like stuck in the middle of an interpretive dance with no music. It was tough to watch. Because let's say something about laura dern spontaneous actress nod improviser now not at all no so sweet though seems very as i would be surprised if there was a dark order her personality or something like that but i will say specifically about this golden globes. Okay when there's an ally alive award ceremony no matter what it is. I usually want to tweet like fifty things in a row and make all my stupid jokes about this. I found that especially difficult this year. Because the movies that are in contention. There's no conventional wisdom about like. What is the word about nomad land or manque or even promising. Young woman like we agree. It's a movie you know. there's just nothing. There's no like advanced comedy. Take to have on these things. And i feel like it makes it hard for people to talk about just because there's so little dialogue about the movies this year. The thing is there's no like but right even going to the oscars. I can't necessarily tell you who is a front runner for anything. Except maybe people who have won awards like tell you that maybe andrey after winning the globe for united states versus billie holiday. Get an oscar. Non now Because it's putting on people's radars but without the traditional roll out without the traditional sort of like general public seeing films and like reacting to them online without the general press tour. We don't really have a sense of any thing you know. It's interesting because this is one of the first years where like a saucer stone won't be able to get up in arms right you know. There's no movie like a green book or like a la la la where like people are just dragging it because of something problematic in it like. I don't think there's any movie this year that that enough people have seen or care about enough to be like. This is the worst movie of the year. And we'll be so mad if it gets a nomination because people are just sort of like i guess whatever we'll be dominated. Yeah like some of my friends. Don't like mink like i do but i don't think any of you have vitriol towards mink. Now that would be funny if i did that. I would love that hill for me to die on. Yes. i agree. That dialogue is stunned about these movies this year. And in a way for like an oscar pure for myself. I almost like that more. Like the ceremony is even more for just the people who really care about this stuff and you know novice. Conventional wisdom can poison the vote and get people voting for green book when it has a metacritic score of fifty nine or something that said i do love it when people talk about movies all the time so i can't have it both ways. That upsets me. That's an we just had this whole discussion about how. The golden gloves tend to be irrelevant. Sometimes that can predict things but generally speaking. It doesn't matter and this time andrade wins and now we're like well now she has to get nominated like we've underestimated these bastards. Unfortunately i mean. I saw viewership of course between some combination of nobody is actually tuning into the golden globes. The pandemic and i bet movie viewership is down a lot to viewership went after eighteen million to five million people and i was like girl this is. I don't know if we're gonna have a seventy nine th golden globes. I don't know what's going to happen. And also i struggled to make my way through nomad land yesterday really trying to watch it and i was like what is this movie about for. Maybe the first thirty minutes and didn't want to engage in dialogue about it. Nor did i see mink but promising. Young woman feels like a movie that we didn't need this year It does feel like maybe a year ago it could have been a little bit splash. Here that said this year. There's so little. Buzz about like the acting categories in general. I almost wonder if it's better for that movie. Because kerry to me seems to be the one she has the heat of like playing a somewhat unexpected role for herself. And then there's the content of the movie which i feel like is just inherently buzzer than the other things. That's i fucking nomad land. So you and i will be fighting in the streets. Yes i love no man. Also the literal streets workers you know. And also my. That's my favorite frances mcdormand performance. I would put it ahead of fargo for me personally. Well shannon's jau for the direction to it's beautifully done movie. I just feel like If there's one thing she undo it shoots him nature oh yeah. Khloe outlaws some nature You know what she's gonna do. Turn your life into a cinematic poem. How about that the longest haiku of your life. My favorite francis role is still in my favorite cohen. Move me which is burn after reading. But she's gorgeous in this movie. I like heartbreaking. Also shout out. Taylor joy for being the sharpest just logos. She was dressed so sharp. Just like a scalpel starkly beautiful. She's just like a little a little ball joy to me. I don't know how to access her humanity. It was so hard to do. Globes ballots with While watching this year but the easiest thing to do was the like limited categories. Because i was like. Okay well the one thing that everyone would agree on this year was that we all love the queen's gambit right that was that was more buzzer than any film. That was nominated this year. Definitely also how unexpected was the glamour quotient of the golden globes. Though first of all. I had forgotten how much i do enjoy watching a fashion roll out at an awards show basically. We haven't had much of that in the past year. And then secondly amanda ciphered looked unbelievable. What her beat should always be peaches and cream. I always to see that on her. But ninety taylor joy i mean her claymation fund beauty just exulted the an imperfect emerald. She she just. It really was like a word. I would almost never use iconic because by the way iconic hand compliment. What else is iconic the hindenburg. How it looks. It's iconic where you're blow me up. Bitch she is. She is giving the the features that i love a white woman. Severe sort of mysterious. That's why i love angelina. Jolie like any taylor. Joy is everything and also gave us comedy Via variety of because when she won they called her a woman of color because white argentinian. Ma'am okay glamour. Glamour glamour regina king in her pre awards. Interview was amazing. The best part about her interview was like a her little puppy sitting in the back. Like girl wake me up when the happen styled by my current favourite stylists in the game way mica this black duo and they work with her new key lane. I think julia garner as well. Robin cds close on Hot dog they do that. And a lot of other white black actresses in the game right now and so. It's like i can always tell when like they're close. Look good. i love how you added robin theory and hot dog to that path. I had to point out robbing. Do enjoy robin. Just moving right along speaking of outfits and you know tina fey and amy poehler have first of all have some nerve not being in the same location. We'll get to that. That was a very interesting choice. Like what kind of nineteen forties. Movie tricks where they attempting to pull with those split screen. Not that it wasn't that they didn't make light of it in a funny way but it was just an odd choice of the joke. Sometimes especially the beginning opening monologue relied on the fact that they went to different cities. And i was like y'all deliberately didn't fly out this one joke and also she was on on the left side and was on the right side but they were like different from the coast and that was really messing with my mind. The whole fucking show. Oh you're right. Yeah because tina was in new york and los angeles any looked good though they both did so. I have a theory except for that weird flower things in a war at one point Strange well they generally looked very good. Both of them And i appreciated how much they went in on music. Oh oh my god they really know. Hold no bart there the theory though because they were both wearing stark shoulders. Have a theory that women in comedy have broad shoulders. No hips and the same. It's the same cheese that tends to comedy in the first place. So i just wanted you guys to think on that and tell me if you can think of a wide hipped comedian comedian. If you will you're right And and that's just my anthropological studies sherri shepherd. Okay boo you not really a standard done. Stand up now. I don't think you're gonna stand up. That she i think she just so comedy. Recent tina stand up. I've ruined this whole thing. I apologize amy. Had a brave middle part which has happened. Just like jared leto who unfortunately was among my favorite looks at the night. well he's a trans icon. So let's let's not sir star of pose jared leto. I stand by and watch as he runs all over queer roles i'm a dallas buyers cock. I will actually say in regards to the fashion. And why probably why this show dipped in ratings. Right one lakers game going on opposite yet out at. It's like something like that isn't happening. Generally win the globes are happening because it shuts down the city and it's promoted nonstop and celebs are flying in you know and it becomes like an event right since this is just like a zoom. It really wasn't on anyone's minds You know i can even see people in our industry sort of like care about the globes and stuff not even bothering to watch you know yeah fucking zoom meeting and also the production value was less than the fucking bt awards like fucking middle school. Av club produce. It was janke as hell. And then you had some people who didn't even bother with some of the fashion and i want to drag him but will not drag. Jason said said. I get called white. Man's keitel were fucking loving. He stumbled on. Like i make my three year old read. Tolstoy what is going on. He was clearly so stones add when he started talking about tolstoy. I was like it gave me that sensation of being back at a party. Where like a stoned white man. Who read a book recently. Talk you for an hour. Yes and you're just like nodding along you have no idea what he's actually talking about like. Oh yeah also. Yeah absolutely but he looks good. And i've always thought he looked good. I remember seeing him at like the black clansmen premier in some air force. One 's some track jacket. And i was like okay. He's serving a little now that he's in his. I'm single with live your wild wearing dresses with carey styles. He needed like a new turn. Yeah and getting stoned and wearing a hoodie to the golden globes was like the way to put the attention back on him. And i will tell you what i did. I did watch ted lasso. After that. And i liked that little show. It's good it's good. it's funny it's enjoyable was british those british. You're talking about know columbia. I i love. I love jason today because youth press to serve. I really do a size of the honey. shout out. Jodie foster does being on her couch. Bro yeah the size of the dog. She was wearing exact colors of the wind. Either way interesting situation who. Alexandra i listen. She's with was the last person i believe ellen was with before porsche rosser show well. There's only four games to get passed around so let us live. She like one lesbian monopoly. That's it we have come a long way from her. Stay out of my business speech right. Allie here's here's our large fucking dot here. Here's us settling in well now. Covert and the and the awards were on zoom so they literally have to be in her home to my homeland. Hydro imagine she's just like honey. You stay in the kitchen by the way. What is the mauritanian. Like joni gonna sneak into this conversation. Remember we thought deciphered was gonna win this category by the way all the lady winners this year were zanies anes. I'm talking about roz. Pike win for that movie. We i believe spat on last week loss. Gusted this is the golden globes. We dislike it. Somehow it'll be lauded at the golden globes nice dress. I really not address. She's wearing this beautiful red like she's she's a celebrity. I'm into her yeah. She's we liked her. I heard last week and said the movie was awful. We just want someone to write her a better script right. Yeah and the more tannen. Every time i saw it on a list. I thought it was the mandalorian and i was like jodi foster up in this mandalorian mandatory or what are anymore. What's that old movie that was kind of. You'll know this louis something. It has something to do with africa. Things maybe called out of africa. It's an old hollywood by old. You mean nine hundred eighty five. Yes meryl streep maria around. Our robert redford. Yes i fear that the mauritanian has something to do with that ilk of movies. So i'm going to avoid it so i want to enjoy jodie foster the vague idea of the exotic Taylor swift wildest dreams video if you will start at least africa at all I also for the longest taught that like it was called like mauritius or something. And i thought you know like is this about the french republic or the end of dodos. That's where that's where does left. I should really look. this is about. don't do it. i. I think there's no way of knowing they didn't get it on the internet. So you find not. There's nobody kapadia have to say about the gross. Yeah i'm thinking if i missed it. Oh i guess it was cool to see. Sasha baron cohen win he is now one for the original and its sequel. Borat the movie. That should have been the foreign language film. Anything right also like huge minority take this voting closed like mere days before the actual awards and every time. A black person kept wedding hours. Like i see what you're doing age of sending a little face and the eleventh hour. I do not think any person in the age of has seen small ads right picture. Them watch have even seen it yet right. I was gonna start watching it when letitia started wild it out away but speaking of our favorite foreign language cinema the year. My favorite joke was about emily in paris when tina fey said french exit. That's what i did after the first hour of emily in paris. See that's what we love and also not true because everybody watched that whole show. Yeah i would be willing to bet that also watched all of them in paris right and hates the fact that she did and also honorable mention the jane fonda for being a walking. tv guide. And shouting out. I made a story. Oh yeah she was listing. All those credits. It was like the vogue rap except with twenty twenty one tv titles. She also the only thing. I would say about jane fonda speech was. She could go on longer. I mean the woman is so speech team. She could have lectured and lectured. And i think it would have been super entertaining raptured. Yeah nailed it and by the idea that she watches those things right right. It wasn't just a speech like she had to be like. Give me these things. So i can bring them up right like you can tell. She's actually standing there and talking about things that she actually watched at. It's so nice. Hearing someone in the industry talk excitedly about the work that people in her field or doing and why it matters and also clearly she had internalized it. It wasn't just. Here's the party line about these critically. Hailed shows like is specifically. Took something from this. And i thought that was very exciting and also the montage of all her movies was i was. I was trying think of why that montage was so exhilarating to me. And i think it's because she really is a madonna of the silver screen and that every movie is a different era or look more phase and so it's like you're watching it. ll share sharon concert vibe. You really flew through a thousand looks in just one clip montage and got all. Those movies are so good as we've talked about all of them. Yeah my god. The chinese sounds lines. Yeah truly wait. You'll never relent founded. We'll never do anyway. Those are the globes we did it. We're also gonna talk about them next week. Twenty twenty two predictions are on the way. Don't worry we're back. I will be joined by dominate fischbach judas. Black black messiah. Keep it is brought to you by expensive. Is the most widely used expense management platform in the world with over ten million users. That's more than quincy. All your god qube. Your time is precious so expensive. I makes it easy for you to get paid back manager. 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And then he came back on Being a self swag as always and the nipsy quo the way. He spoke about chamber fred how he made a better man. I was proud that he got to say that. Because i know how much brain jennifer really changed him. Play mammal really changed me. It was an exchange in that way. And then i post it But opposes our blood Because he's light. Which really sweet i said. But he's the son talking about working with him. Then how was that onset. Getting to know him getting into replicating this relationship as well. Yes dr wu. Like twenty seventeen and i just went up to him and says congratulations. I think you're amazing. Thank you day. i was kind of it. I didn't ask our one day. And right in the while. They're sending me email. That soccer wrote the role of deborah johnson. For me that day early attacks so working with day was really a jeep. Come true you'll dot together the cats and all of us. We were so close that we will go bowling. You see movies go roller skating each time. I tried to make sure that. I was in a movie that i was sitting next to day because i can really get rolling experience from the opportunities that presented themselves. I think i've read before that you had been working on your own black panther story as well almost like a romeo and juliet one So you tell me about what sparked your interest in the black panther party in the first place and sort of where you were at in getting into that head space before you'd even been approached by. Shocker yeah i started learning more about the black panther party. When i was in college i was in the black student. Union a fan. Actually dr new before getting this role that channel twenty one that his With fiance was in the battle with a nine months pregnant and she covered his body. And i knew that informant at betrayed him in ultimately out to assassinate him. But i didn't really know about the rainbow coalition ways in which he was uniting the different race groups are different games together. Kalsa verdict which is about destruction in america and our voters in graduate college. Math thesis a lot of times. I'll be the only black person classes. And i was in sociology. Class in the white boy said if african american males in low income communities dressed normally they would have stopped by. The police and i was so upset and a debate with nablus awards. I looked around and nobody to advocate with me because nobody came from so that the use this opportunity to write a thesis a woman shaw and for an hour and twenty minutes predominantly white university has to sit in my choose edged the people come from neighborhoods like mine had Against like an affinity for history and the urge to kinda right and knowing kind of annoys note. And how can. I stand behind anything that i do. An art is to know from deep inside of me something so when i wanted to kind of renter into screenwriting and writing. Tv show was. What can i do. What do i love or love. Romances love romeo and i was actually inspired by diarrhea. That angela davis and joyce jackson used to write letters to each other. And i couldn't find the letters. 'cause i was going to be concerned about these leads a Change into the Is called gwendolyn and say About a black panther falls in love with a girl was five cop ray. Romeo and juliet. S and i was reading a book called the taste of power vilain round and i got the email that shopper emmy for the role zero so i like a alignment for shore. Because he didn't know what. I was working. I didn't know i didn't know him. No he was working on Long hold is this love certain that against portray. So you already have this interest in writing. You'd already been performing and you know you are poet as well what we're sort of your early influences in you know getting into poetry getting into loving language itself and becoming a writer. I was over mom's dom you thought about that. But i think it was my mind cause you support me when i wanted to act. I found a free. Did a program called. Mcc win ordered to act. Had to write your own stuff. That's i learn about monologues and data scenes and i saw a kid spoken word poetry. And that's all. That's what i wanna do. And then that bid company also took us to see my first broadway show which was now maranda. And i saw a new show called no child Son and those were like. Oh dear has replaced with me. A place for was like mind on broadway sages or he's off growing status so i always love language. I always so connected to poetry. In benoit's got on stage. You started performing realizing that. The more specific i was the more universally was that was really and then having a mom like mine will never want it in a shy away from my shoes even if it kind of told things about her she knows that odom As my business that's experience as it be said if you want to. And i was encouraging to me. Have to hide or be ashamed. Acted be honorable. And i could kind of expose myself. That's how i started writing poetry. This kind of telemachos posted a about my grandmother. She passed away from cancer. But the arkwright is you know when they when people have locked packs away. He likes to think of all. Will we try to hold on the moments where we were perfect. It was perfect and we try to suppress the times where we weren't so perfect Feel so great in kind of use my poetry to bring that kind of free myself One thing that i really loved about your performance in judas. Was you know you have this very Naturalistic acting style. But you're also sort of like so mesmerizing in these scenes. Also when you're like with danielle who's coming from this other kind of like just sort of like this magnetism on camera. How do you approach being in scenes. And i guess just acting and has a different from when you are onstage reciting poetry like what different head space is to you get into. I started in the air in filmmaking. Transition in the beginning was a bit confusing because i had an addition back in twenty eleven. So i i wouldn't go onto to do tv and to let time for our Constantly go for td dishes addition. My first one. I left it but she said you know you make really strong choices. But you're so theatrical can you like bringing down something she said and i really will get upset by that in real life on. Read the article real. I read a book by michael caine cold acting and film and tv date the patriots. Not exactly but he's talked about. How film has the same intensity as theater but it can't come out anyway so it doesn't mean a small is just bottled up inside and that you'll take come out is through your eyes. Wasn't that kind of adult. He said this analogy came to my habit. It's like almost taken a soda bottle. And if you've got to go everywhere but if you slowly turn top On that imagery led lights went off in my head. in terms of Tv and ended up progen. Kind of journalists characters are journaled allies deborah johnson which allowed me because it was a a property movie. Something i really belongs her different from other characters in our journalists to really flesh out the moment so every lead the first case that she has whichever fred for some she sees him all our opponents so all of those moments name his dimples bush's read in journal women the a lot of nina simone references lacey hughes references and i really tried to build up the internal world because i knew that a lot of it will be on the reaction not the word and athletic s. We talked about acting all reactions to things so really. I feel a bit more free once. I do that right in stock. Because i know the whole world is moving inside of her and then i can just be present and listened today. Speak well that's an interesting. When did you start the idea of journaling as the characters back for like project power and for like the deuce as well actually goes back to my first t- thing which was show me hero a day eight and i was one of the actors in the show and he was netted paw and we will go into the cafes and we would just kind of work on separate deysi emmett and she says she would. Summarize seems the oldest does cool. I started summer. But as i summarize them i started to put the i or did this the carrico and start allowed my mind nation so slow and then bring up days possibly know from script generally and then i put a song to ever seen you know and then it kind of develops and now on a journey for darlene on journaling Deborah johnson. This one was different too because journal on the computer written all cursive. Because i was important. I wanna take anybody out of it by writing implant print right says beta. See maybe some modern you know twenty hear writing. That's interesting to hear too. And when you talk about the influence of like langston nina in them you know what would you say. Were some of your early influences in black art or you know theater or music that sort of like you to be like This is what i want to be doing. What are you sort of find yourself. Always returning to and reading now. Yeah when i was kid. Jackson five was just tend the easter and fell weird. So we didn't do this earlier. i really love. You can have that kind of that grit to her but fails feminity our i. I'm an athlete. I played football basketball quarterback tackle on a concrete trees climbing a fence with the boys so if so it really was i will see her. But that's what. I aspire to where you don't have to castaway one one-sidedness of this all. I love lauryn health. Mtv's unplugged. I always wanted to come out. Spoken word to music tin piano. I just love day on club and it was very wrong and it was like spoken. Word son was singing guitar. And now i have my own cover. The me tv songkrai occur. It was just a people. Say oh dodge to wrap into mike enough and finally because they project power and she couldn't do a live on instagram. Without somebody think like maybe that's university. Dominique sounded get to it. So my first cover was jd. I'm looking this way. Because i have digital daisy played. His mom is music song off a smile or all of that. I'm just looking over the of the. What made you pick that song in particular. I love that song is one of those songs that hit ever get. Never never get old and be brave enough to china. I spoke a word on a classic like that than than the rest will be very easy right because everybody knows that song and that was the reason why i picked it like even your music sound familiar and then when it gets to the car sex song cry any kinda gravitate towards it. I just i just loved it. And i really wanted to pay. Homage income loved one of the last things. I want to ask is you. It's an interview that like you love a lot of romance stuff. And you know it's a you watch Lavar diaries all the time. How many times have you re watch it. You know like your downtime. Because i used to watch that show too town because legacy i'm on delina. I love our way to stop like way through the college seasons. Yeah i get that i loved. Caroline clouds together needed endgame. That kind of hurt me. You always the housing giddy. I love watching the watching part of the first booth. Third maybe four season. Because i love the build of it lack the season finale of the first one when she went daymond dot was a and then elaborate. That finale of the second one when you it like they had the bet. Stephen will moore more yes. Well thank you so much talking to me today. Keep it is brought to you by the. Okay now listen podcast. Okay now listen is a by weekly. Podcast hosted by scotty beam and sylvia bell brought to you by netflix. 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I i'm always interested in the idea of taylor swift watching tv right. Isn't that weird to think of this show. You don't think somebody somebody was like they're talking about you girl let me stop. Punking out middle c. And writing a song right now. Go on twitter now. So what happened. I believe is this netflix. Show called ginny georgia. Which from the trailer looks like gilmore. Girls knock off figures on even watching this show. That's the watch. The only thing that i saw from it over the weekend was a viral clip of to half white characters. Arguing about who was whiter. Five and using the term oppression olympics. So is it was already a horribly written show from our knowledge of it and i don't think she watch it at all. I think some taylor swift fan watched it and saw this bad joke in it Where someone says what you care. You go through faster than taylor swift. And apparently respect taylor swift was like trending over the weekend lightly and of course whatever fans get something trending. That's how she sees it so one. Why care about it is my question and to yes. It's a sexist joke and it is a joke. That seems like it's from twenty ten. That is right. No one should be proud of that show because it's data. That's why you should be mad. Call out the bad joke but my thing is how she then decided to jump into her ego and make this about just sort of like feminism in general. Happy women's history month. I guess is how she ended her tweet. And then she also called out net flicks for doing this after miss americana was on that flex and want to point out that the insistence that net flicks because they made a project with you once should then be monitoring the content that writers make on any of their shows or films is gestapo. Like right it's like. She borrowed the rhetoric of other important conversations to say clearly. You shouldn't have said one thing about me in this comedy. Show look again. I'm not saying it's not a contrived. Joe but it does feel like throwing her weight around in a way that feels. I don't wanna say irresponsible but ridiculous to me Yeah redefined the narrative girl. That's what i just got redefined that you are not going to men. You are showing them. They're indispensable and this is actually giving you power move forward. Do what you need to do. But this the thing with taylor swift is like you are a public figure. You are always going to be the butt of a joke now. That's not a sexism conversation. We need to be having at this moment. I'm sorry taylor get over it. I also think like ghost through men like that does feel like very ancient jay. Leno era jokes that up for talking about a woman that said though it's interesting because her career was also about associations with certain famous men that i can identify by name so i'm not saying it's bad that you did. I might be my favorite thing about taylor swift that. I can track her dating life and elizabeth taylor way. That's like the era of celebrity. I want back. You wish i could. That's that's that's the sentiment she dated like taylor. Lautner and joe jonas. I've dated probably as many men as taylor's but mine was like a cashier at jamba juice. Nobody's talking about him needs to accept that and she she literally spoken a british accent during a performance wants to indicate. Oh yes. I am talking about harry. Styles wrote a song cod style. While she was dating him she she really does attract attention. Now doesn't know how to handle it. When we address it it exists. Well what's interesting about. Taylor is what we talked about. During the folk lord ever wore conversation right is that she improved her songwriting and even sort of like status within the industry by getting away from the autobiographical going into sort of like the storytelling. He's doing on these albums. Right like the working with someone like aaron owner of the national and like working with bonaventure is giving her like this different cred in the industry in the way that like a lot of people would have not wanted to like associate with even just the name taylor swift and now i feel like every producer in the game with love to work with her right and so i feel like she's come into her own new era and she wants to leave that one behind the easiest thing to do would be to one. Ignore it because swifty. Getting respect taylor. Swift trending is ridiculous because the responses to the and georgia joke all of them tweeting out screenshots. Other jokes about taylor swift and tv shows being like this is how you should actually make a joke about taylor swift it should be respectful at. I'm like okay. that's not. Actually how jokes work my business suspected. Okay stay out of comedians business to going back to what you're saying lewis. It was incredibly irresponsible. Because for one now. You have swift tease. Attacking the actress antonia gentry being apologized to taylor swift on her instagram. A girl who is half black so now you have white fans attacking a black girl on the internet at the behest of a rich white woman for a joke written by two white women because that black mattress did not write it to older white. Women wrote this joke. They're clearly hack writers because of this dumb joke in the other seen that went viral. But now because of you tweeting this out lake a black gross being attacked by your fans girl so congrats happy women's history month indeed. It was not a tailored argument. If you will. i'm sorry to us. And that goes to this era of with that. I thought we were past right having swift attack one leg. This is out of hand like this. This isn't a khania situation. This is a scooter. Braun situation like you could left this alone it yeah. It was surprising to read. And as i said before the implication that because they worked with her. Netflix would make sure that. No joke about taylor. Swift is ever in any thing that comes out on. Their platform is wild. It's sort of an even worse. Version of the selena gomez fans getting joke pulled from saved by the bell right. I want to actually challenge people to write. Good taylor swift jokes because by the way when i look back at my old taylor swift jokes and you know i was all about that. Once upon a time probably problematically. I just don't like them anymore. It feels like they're all jokes that are in the style there was there was like one joke area. You could work with on her. And so if you have a really good one i would just like to read it because it should be a fresh new place for us So recall. I did agree with this week. Though was jona hill calling out the daily mail as we mentioned before. The daily mail loves to publish paparazzi photos of celebrities with wild headlines. The one this time was them like stocking him while he was surfing. And the headline is joanna hills slips into his black wetsuit for surf. Date in malibu before showing off his tattoos while going shirtless to tell himself off. First of all what the headline. Yeah any more information you wanna throw in. Yeah so long and mundane and also. I'm really searching for the insult. In the headline. I understand why john how reacted the way he did. Because this has been building up for years and years. And i'm so happy that he gets point where he's like. I accept my body. Fuck all of you guys. But i didn't understand what was unflattering about what they said. Yeah so this is the this is the interesting part about the jonah hill thing. I'm actually glad that he finally addressed the idea. He was like this for the kids. Who never take their shirt off in the pool. You know or like talked. And he's talked before in about how people are calling him like sort of like a fashion like icon now or they like his style but they never used to say that because it was like he was fat and so it was like. You can't sort of be like oh. He looks great in closed. Because one alarm clothes aren't designed to fit him. You know or you just paying attention to one specific thing you know i mean i know what jonah hill's gone through because i often used to find it like hard to specifically address and than having people comment on things that you were wearing but i will say this was a situation where he was mad about years of the media talking about his body in a certain way and use this incident to talk about that. I don't think the specific headline and photos themselves were insulting cooker. Also it's like when you when you're surprised to see yourself because obviously he's just what out in public. I don't think he planned on getting his picture. Taken that there has to be something just so jarring about. You're not looking at your body in a mirror. You're looking at it out in a place where everybody can see. That's a strange situation for anybody. But also i think about just the dialogue about jonah hill in general over the years. And it's a little bit confused like he was once a very funny. Actress still is funny occasionally but then became the serious thing and i remember personally like i don't know about wanting to mock him for being a self serious person. You know the way that. I kind of would want a mock like jim carey for trying to make the majestic or whatever fucking bullshit. He was trying to peddle. That wasn't eternal sunshine. The one time he got it right. But like i feel like. There's something with jonah hill where it's about being taken seriously to that. I think is always sat with him the wrong way and i remember complaining that he had as many oscar. Nominations as vivien leigh. I do remember that about especially knows. He transitions into like after having directed mid-nineties clearly to be someone who is celebrated in a serious way It does make sense for him to be having these these feelings john. Thank you and i love. You know. I actually really liked jonah hill. I do his talented described. As i said i really did actually personally relate to his instagram captions. I'm glad that he did write it And it's it's nice to see a male celebrity sort of get to have that conversation too because it's usually women having to talk about how their bodies are talked about in the media and sort of ignore you know like how we talk about men in the media to because obviously he would have a lot of those hangups win now. We've shifted to era. What words like instead of like maxim magazine covers right now. We're like every celebrity has to have twelve avs and their plastered everywhere and go into his acting thing lewis. I definitely when he talks about how people use to see them. Just like that guy from super bad right. I think the thing about joe was that he was very funny in comedies. Right but unlike a jim carey or like even an adam sandler it wasn't like he was a comedian right uh-huh and so for him. I guess you'd always felt like i've done commies but like i can also do serious because i am an actor right and for him it was less about. Oh i a comedian but now to serious thing for him. It felt more like i need to prove to people that i am actually a versatile after correct you know mistook them for a comedian correct. Yeah and then. When he's starting to do those serious roles you know it took us. It sort of seemed like why is he doing this but for him. It was probably like yeah. I like doing both those. It reminds me of. I'm the conversation we had with adam. Scott right right you know where we talked about because he's not specifically like a stand up comedian but we asked him like oh. You've done a lot more serious roles lately like the big little lies and stuff like that and you know when. He told us that he likes doing. Both you know but people tend to just see him as a comedic actor because of parks and rec and party down and stuff so it'd be really difficult to come the will ferrell and who has just a comedian. And it's hilarious and also someone like matthew mcconaughey who was in movies with these guys but it's just hot. And then rogan. Who is someone we laugh at. And enjoy and then jonah hill was just there like i love what i do like this and so i i imagine that's really difficult but i do truly love john. I can't wait to see the rest of his career flourish. Same well actually i would. Also lastly say that An interesting model for jona was probably seth Because you know like you said laugh at. We used to see seth rogan in sort of the same way and then there was. The period were shifted into hip hop culture. I'm wearing suits were hip hop holder. But also he's stoned all the time right Shout out to his new. We'd line whatever his new we'd line It's gonna be a week for me next week. It's going to be roughly show up to recording next week guys. I'm like listen. If if seth rogan is saying that this weed is good then. I certainly will be smoking but if i do. I'm getting this thinking of it. I know it's called house plant. And i'm like. I feel like if i spoke any of this week. I'm going to be dead for us. Also throw seth rogan has transition into artisanal mom phase. Like he's at home. He's doing pottery and stuff. I love it but Aside from just the hip hop holder thing it was also like there was that period. Where seth shifted into like. I'm wearing a really good tailored suit on this red carpet. And i'm on the cover of g. q. So like he was an actor who sort of went through that thing. He was a superhero movie. Went through that. Same sort of jonah hill. Transformation and i have to imagine that like joanna has seen that happen and is sort of like the way that people talked about success body and the way that people talk about it now how he is sort of. Maybe just a model for him. You know. I appreciated about seth particularly during like the long shot. Press tour speaking of charlotte's africa right where he would always wear something nice things alongside her right instead of what actors with generally do whereas. I'm just gonna wear t shirt and the actress can wear this designer dress right right right. He always made a point to look good. Because he's like. I'm doing what charlene is doing. The sheer and beyond set conundrum. I remember it well. Two thousand eighteen. Who perfect only one only one. He's coming by the way he dropped a new single and the edge sheera science on us. I mean i mean not that. I hate him or anything but my god is he. A large people should not be that big. It was too fast. You're gonna hate when i start standing ed sheeran on the show because i do like him. Anyway we're now. I'm with you. I'm with you homeless. Unless lewis let members the three members of the black. Ed sheeran fan club. The the president is jamie foxx exactly eighteen with. We're back keep it. And we're back with our favorite segment of the episode. It is keeping aida. You gotta run down. Yeah you have to have to leave soon a let me get this. Keep it off. Then i keep is an addendum to what we were just talking about because we didn't have time to talk about it. I'm going to say it right now. Justin timberlake must enjoy looking stupid. That's new pastime that he's on this week because underneath that jonah hill posted we were just talking about. He commented. jonah hill is my spirit animal. You just got done apologizing for something ten minutes ago. Now you gotta go apologize the native american community. Because i'm just done i've done with you. I'm done with the lack of awareness and the lack of sensitivity. And we already thought that the whole policy was bullshit. The whole policy tour was bullshit. And now i'm just like just an you're you're not you're not all there. You're not all there you need to be set down. And he decided to sit down and have a conversation. Not okay in the movie together. Because i'm trying to think of like what they cross over action with like see jodi hills business like jumping hills. Not thinking about you justin timberlake. Also it's very funny to me when celebrities still use like the animal thing just because i specifically remember riana a few years ago using the phrase spirit animal and fan comment on instagram. That we shouldn't use that phrase. And she actually responded. Thank you for letting me know that. I'll never use it again. That's all it is doing that. Come on that's all these like. I recently learned this to like liz. Oh talked about it as well when she was talking about the situation that this is a word that is sensitive to the first nations people and we don't need to be using it. We don't understand their culture and we already are disrespecting the land that we are just trouncing all over. Unfortunately that means that twenty five percent of buzzfeed articles will have to vanish from the internet. Let's make it a cool ninety nine percent of them probably to apparently jona hill up for the role of sean parker in the social network and david fincher turned down and obviously it went to justin timberlake. So i don't know what kind of connection relationship they have. Because of that. But maybe johnny hill. You are my understudy. I love you comment. David fincher on. Keep it for many reasons but i do want to ask him if he regrets that choice. That is interesting. I mean. I think people do love justin timberlake that movie so the answer is probably not but i have. I have questions about his relationship. With the donna tricks. Us into thinking he can act right but if you but if you watch that sorts like justin timberlake as an actor please turn on alpha dog right after and it will cure you of right into a hak-ro if you know what i'm saying okay. His laxed aikman. God speed and you keep high level of hatred in your for me since i won't be able to be here but that is exactly what's going to occur absolutely love women's history month. I guess weird all right. I keep it might keep it. This week is to bachelor nation which needs to be kicked out of the un. I feel like we've been talking about the bachelor franchise as much as we've been talking about the globes this year with like conde dormant. I feel like a new thing arousa for us to constantly be talking about but as sort of spillover from you know chris. Harrison defending this white contestant on the currencies of the bachelor who had photos of herself like on a plantation making excuses for her in a conversation with rachel wednesay the first black bachelorette and she sort of took him to task for that. Rachel lindsay has a podcast with van lay thin and van had to take to instagram and tell people that rachel deactivated her instagram account. Because racist white bachelor fans have just been like flooding her in box and sending her vitriol because she dared to point out. Racism in the franchise. If this is the first time you've noticed something somewhat racist on the bachelor. Let's get introspective. Let's cut our lives. You may have noticed. It was wider than the history of ethan's commercials this show so maybe get on her level rate and it's like she's already the person that they trotted out to talk about race issues because they only had her up until tayshia and now they have matt james so they've they've got a trio to come out and talk about race now but it's like these fans love her and that she's great until she reminds them that their weight and then they get angry which to be fair as rude. There's sometimes i don't want to hear that about myself. You know what i'm saying is is just like so vile and the bachelor nation instagram. Did this really shitty statement about how like. Racism has no place in like bachelor nation etc. Like a fool like almost week after she was buoyed off instagram. Anyway so like. I don't believe that they mean it at all. And they certainly didn't post anything to the official instagram's or have any sort of statement about it on the show right and then the women tell all was on monday night and they made sure to put previously recorded on february fourth up there because chris harrison was hosting but we know that he has stepped away and won't be hosting the after the rose special. But they wanted to let you know. We did not just dora this and recorded this week. He was also on celebrity wheel of fortune and he laid waste to wisconsin. From what i saw so in a way. It was a good week for chris harrison. I guess also. I'm watching celebrity wheel of fortune if you want to know something about me. Also the person who's replacing him for after the rose is emmanuel at show and this is a black man and while that is helpful it is just sort of continuing the bachelor franchises sort of band aid of every time they have to deal with something races or people calling the show for being too white they just stick one black person out there and it's like hey look over here you know and that doesn't actually solve the problems. And then you just have like now. Black people in your franchise who are pushed out in the front to be the face of the franchise while the fans are continuing to attack them and be awful. Also you said look over here. And now i'm thinking about how good a job jada essence hall would do as the host of the bachelor. I i wanna see the hosting skills on jada. Well that was a very fair. Keep it. I have to say i'm on your team on that one. Imagine if you weren't mike keep it. This is too. I'm i'm sorry to go into a niche twitter thing again. Not just because. I'm talking to ira. Who as you know if he touches. Twitter is electrocuted. But also i know half. The world is in on twitter. I know it's boring but it's there is something about twitter particularly like gay twitter. The way conversation occurs about certain pop cultural things sticks in my head. It does infiltrate my real life. So if this doesn't apply to you apologies but you listen to keep it so i'm sure it does this. New trend has emerged where people post a picture of something like for example britney and just wearing the denim outfits that one time and the mimi caption they put at the top. As you just had to be there it happens for everything you know like a picture of like dated fashion or a picture of a movie. People have forgotten about guys. Can you just say something real about the fucking movie. You're talking about please. You can't outsource thoughts. Please actually just come up with an idea. Please don't like. I don't wanna be miranda priestly but don't like or nina garcia from project runway. That's more needed garcia thing. Like i welcome your original ideas about these very familiar pop culture images. I think we can have a good time if we just talk about. Honestly what we think of these coming up with new ways to talk about our perception of old pop culture literally just putting a fucking microwaved snarky comment that. I've seen a thousand times sometimes bad. We need to be more active about the fact that memes sometimes take us nowhere so if anything just post the picture without detroit thing at the top you can do this. We can have fun talking about denham. Award show a tire together. It actually reminds of that previous name. Where like someone would remember like a old film or tv show moment that they liked right and just put it out there with this was a cultural reset. No it wasn't you just remember it right. And it's calling things iconic. That's not necessarily a compliment that you remember it. Yeah so so media now. Has this sort of thing where it's like the the fact that you remember something that happened once in the past qualifies as an original thought. Yeah right at. It's like listen. The majority of americans might not know what that is but like this thing from one thousand nine hundred eighty eight twenty five million people saw it so i'm sure some other people remember this movie. Yeah right the brandy. Cinderella it was really popular right flops. From like nine hundred ninety eight actually got more viewers than things that are successful in twenty twenty one so a lot of people. Remember the thing that you're bringing up. It's just that world of risk free commentary and posturing something substantive when in fact you're not saying anything at all but wanting attention for it. Oh to go deeper into the weeds on that. That's awful tick tock trend to find that like tiktok. Creators are more actually coming up with original jokes. Hate that to the trend of someone having a tiktok words like name something that like seems racist without actually being racist or something like name like the craziest beaumont you've ever seen in like a movie or something right and it's like it invites other users to stitch with you or duet with you And then use your original video so you pop up all the time All right other people's videos but you've actually haven't done anything you just asked a prompt and of course there's a lot of that on twitter and then people quote tweet and then it's like oh you're a viral star. Because you're like name a halloween costume by heidi klum. You can't get enough of or whatever and then people just a picture that was my mean. That was my attempted to mean. So we'll see if i I slay the internet so anyway twitter. I follow the people who are really great. Just goes through the people. I file like everybody else. 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Judas And The Black Messiah And What's Making Us Happy

Pop Culture Happy Hour

26:57 min | 6 months ago

Judas And The Black Messiah And What's Making Us Happy

"Fred hampton charismatic champion of the black panther party illinois. Chapter was just twenty one years old when he was killed during a police raid in nineteen sixty nine and judas in the black messiah. He's given a cinematic treatment via stirring performance by daniel kaluga. The new film directed by a- king focuses on hamptons activism and how it made him the target of the federal government. The judas in this story the fbi informant who played a crucial role in. Hampton's death william o'neil for trade deftly by keith stanfield. i'm stephen thompson. And i harris and today we're talking about judas and the black messiah on pop culture happy hour from npr here with me and steven from his home in washington dc. We have jc howard producer. Npr's ted radio hour. And how. I built this welcome back jc low. Thank you for having me and also joining us from his home in alexandria. Virginia is ronald young junior ronald associate producer of the new the pm and witness stocks. Podcast seizing freedom. hey ronald overload. Thanks for having me. Judas in black messiah is told primarily from the point of view of an fbi informant. William neal played by lakeith stanfield. O'neill begins working with the agency after being arrested for committing a crime while impersonating an fbi. Agent roy mitchell in actual fbi agent played by jesse plemmons offers him a deal if he infiltrates the local black panther party and provides intel. The charges will be dropped now while in royer working together fred hampton played by day colonia. Donning a very thick chicago jong is mobilizing. His party members attempting to forge alliances with organizations. So that they can provide food education and health services to the city's poor he also meets and falls in love with deborah johnson. A poet and activist played by dominique. Fischbach who you may remember star. Lean in the hbo series. The deuce the cast also includes martin sheen hang it up. In many layers of makeup as j hoover the screenplay for judaism the black messiah. It's result of several years of attempts by various parties to get a free movie made at first with very little interest from studios. Eventually this project landed with director shock. King who co wrote the screenplay alongside well bersin a comedy writer now. This is king's biggest project to date. He previously directed the two thousand thirteen. Indy stone comedy newly weeds along with some short films and tv episodes. So this is not your typical bio pic. It focuses on a very small slice of fred. Hampton's life and i'm curious to hear what you think about it ronald. Let's start with you. What were your initial thoughts on this film. I really really liked it. I was surprised by how much i liked it. I expected to like it. But as i sat there was really captivated by the story. There's not much told about fred. Hampton it draws you in with the story in the legend of this man. Who's drawing all these groups together in order to fight the man and fight the oppressor which is is good but just the performances themselves watching daniel columbia's performance from the minute. He's onscreen is captivating but it wasn't just him. It was as much an unsolvable performance watching even the The big actors and the smaller black panthers that were around him in ashton sanders. Algae smith dominique thorn. Durell brick gibson them coming together. There was something about watching. Not just the struggle and then trying to fight the man but watching the joy that they had income rotary and fighting together and being together and all of them working toward this goal. The story was just amazing. I was sucked right in captivated. By the whole thing. I wish there was a sequel. See well you mean that would like focus on another black panther instead because we know how unfortunately obviously but it just. I felt myself sitting here wondering if i could hear more stories from this world even though i mean i know we live in this world and obviously i know what the stories are just thinking more and more about everyone around him in hearing more about them. I wish they had unpack those stories a little bit more. Yeah i will say one of the things that i sometimes found a little bit confusing. I felt like some of the side characters you mention like the ones played by ashton sanders and especially. They played two black panther members. Who eventually we. Kind of see their fates play out but inverse. It was a little confusing. Because i feel like they weren't established fully outside of just being within fred hampton's inner circle again. I agree with you. It was great to see these actors who we've seen in many other. Things have a chance to sort inhabit this world that we don't often see played out in this way. Salve exactly yeah. Jc what did you think. So i feel like my perspective watching the movie right. now you know after. The demonstrations in heightened tensions of last summer and kind of in the wake of the insurrection at the capital last month. For me there's just an added layer like a lot of people. Compared the response of law enforcement to the capital mob to the response to black lives matter protesters last summer but now having watched this movie i can't help but compare the response of the fbi to you know cunanan believers who might push massive dangerous conspiracy theories to the response to someone like fred hampton who's saying hey capitalism is not working equally for all of us. I mean that's not to say that. Fred hampton as depicted in the film is all sunshine and free breakfast. He's he says some things. That are i kind of think about with the former presidents second impeachment trial starting this week over the charge that he incited violence with his words. Like watching hampton say. Kill a pig. Get a little satisfaction. Kill more pigs. Get more satisfaction. It just kind of rings differently and it's complex and complicated things that the film gets really right. For instance about the black panthers. Is this kind of internal struggle of are we a militant force set on overthrowing the oppressor by force or are we a conduit for a better social safety net. And i don't think you would get a straight answer from a characters in the film. I think a lot of them would just say yes. And we're kind of both so for me. Depicting that natural dichotomy is not easy and it would be easier to try to shy away from that. But i appreciate that. The didn't run from. They kind of embraced it wholeheartedly. You're right. there are a couple of scenes where the idea of death sort of looms large throughout the entire film the same way that. Mlk was expecting to die in. Perhaps not the natural way. Fred hampton also expresses these within the film but then he also expresses concern that his words might have taken him too far in runcie. And so it's great to see that dichotomy thank you. Jc stephen what about you. I agree with a lot of what jaycee said i you know we've watched a lot of historical dramas over the course of the time that we've done this show kind of every award season than i thought this is one of the most effective historical dramas that i've seen in a while in part because as jaycee said it has so many present day reverberations still feels very relevant and i think a big part of this movie strength is in that performance by daniel columbia. Who has the stele est gaze in film it does so much incredibly effective work with his is and always has speak volumes in every scene. He's in he just imbues. Every scene with so much charisma and force and yet there's nuance to that portrayal. I think that the farther this movie gets removed from that performance by columbia. I think some of the edges fray a little bit. I think the lakeith stanfield performance is a really good performance. But i think that movie doesn't quite know what to make of bill o.'neil understandably so i think bill o.'neil was was a very opaque character but i found myself constantly wanting to like research. Okay what's the deal with this guy. I didn't quite get a feel for it. And then once you move out another layer from that you start to get into the kind of more traditional historical drama pancake makeup on martin sheen as junior whomever anytime martin. Sheen was unscreened j. Edgar hoover rolled my eyes. Because i could completely forget. I was watching daniel louis even though you can spot daniel. Columbia's is from the sun lost performance. But i could never lost watching martin sheen in pancake makeup as j. edgar hoover and so i felt like the closer. This movie stayed to its core subject matter the more gripping i found it and in general it totally worked for me. Yeah i also really thought it was very well done almost all fronts. And as a on the record hater of bio-pics. I appreciate that. This really focus on the last year year. And a half to two years of fred hampton's life and as rob was saying we get bits and pieces of where he came from. But it's all kind if we've done a very natural way now. We're i fell short on. This was the sort of framing of the fbi in some ways. Because i do feel as though they were made out to be the uber villain and they should be. But i think it went too far into signposting territory. There are several moments where martin sheen as j. Edgar hoover is saying things up j. Edgar hoover probably said. But i think maybe didn't need to be said quite in this way I think the translation from Reelected drama. And perhaps just. Because i also just recently watched the really great mlk fbi documentary that really lays down in impacts the way in which they targeted mlk and to me. That did a better job in a more effective job of getting across all of the really really intricate ways in which the f. b. i. targeted him and here. It's kind of funneled into just like okay. J. edgar hoover and then rory mitchell and there's sort of two sort of standards for the fbi. And i dunno. I think that perhaps some viewers may benefit from that people who may not be as up on what happens with the black panther movement at the same time for me as a viewer. Who understands it knows. All the really insidious ways in which they did this. It felt a little bit much. But i also think that those parts i could deal with that when we're talking about someone like daniel and the way in which. This movie really does a good job. I think of laying out what the black panthers were trying to do. I think that can't be overstated because it's still very much people. Think of them. In the same way as i think about the black lives matter movement as super militant and we see fred hampton trying to create these alliances with not just other black groups that have their own interests but also white groups who he goes to one one meeting where there is a mostly poor white group of people. There's a giant confederate flag in the background. But he's trying to build what he called a rainbow coalition. So i think it was really well done. And i mentioned the chicago draw. It is so great. I want us to listen to just one one moment. This is a scene where fred hampton is. Teaching other black panther members about the way in which the party wants to pursue politics activism. How would you define politics winners. Elections alleged can't be part of politics. But we in apology mouse. Definition policies. He see wall is politics. We bless you and politics war without bloodshed. Wars talks lucia in that clip. You also hear ashton sanders as jimmy palmer and smith as jake winters and yeah. I just love the way in which it really breaks down their ideology. Ns demystify and again daily is accent is he is. He's a master of these things. I've known so many black men from chicago. We talk like that spot on. So i really really loved it. I think this movie can easily be looked at as a triumph for daniel kalou performance. But i i really do appreciate what you said about the fbi. Because one of the biggest issues. I had with this movie. Was that the first hour i felt like was very efficient. Storytelling very very good throughout the end. It's very tight. Then there's a big set piece where the cops do something Against the black path is. I don't want to spoil but you can probably google it. But after that the movie slows down and you're one hundred percent right about the fbi skewing into this like super villa territory where it's much dash twirly the way they're talking to each other about what's going to happen with these black folks if we don't stop the black panthers and those particular moments with the f. b. I felt like there wasn't enough nuance to what the fbi was doing it. Felt like the agenda was just going to be. They were racist and evil. The end as opposed to any other nuance that could have been provided them to make them more three dimensional. Yeah yeah there's a very ladies and gentlemen to evil way those fbi scenes which i understand. They need to contextualized the point of view of everybody in the film. I did appreciate one thing that i really loved about. This film was the way that it wasn't just this larger life. Indepth story they were given about community organizing. They wove in an idea about sacrifice and parenthood. And like when you are risking your life for a cause how that can reverberate in your family. I really appreciated some of this movie's asides and that it wasn't all just like a great man movie. It's a movement movie and it really like the dominique fischbach performance is really here and i thought she brought so much more to it than you often see in movies like this of the girlfriend of the great man completely agree. Dominique fischbach performance as deborah johnson. Is i think it's particularly noteworthy. There's the one scene where fred is giving the. I am a revolutionary speech. That's previewed in the trailer. It's everywhere and in that scene. Fish back has these stolen moments and literally silent tears. That really helped to drive home. How high the stakes are for her. And i think that it's really important to think about. She is one person who's arguably most affected by the events of the film other than the people who are referred to in the title to echo. What ron said as well. I would like to have seen more of some of the side characters including her. I really appreciated the fact that they centered the climax of the movie on her experience not only visually. But from what. I've i've done a little bit of research outside of this and my understanding is what goes down in. The film is almost shot for shot. Retelling of the real deborah johnson's firsthand account. So it would have been really nice to see more of that and more of her for what we got. Her performance was absolutely compelling. I completely agree. And one last thing. I will note is that i think it's definitely worth checking out william o'neil's interview that is we've been both with likud. Stanfield playing him but also at the very end of the film we see an actual clip of the real life. Willing o.'neil in the documentary eyes on the prize. Part to keep stanfield has talked about trying to interpret that character. And when you watch that clip. William o'neil is probably around his his late thirties right before. He reportedly died by suicide in nineteen ninety at the age of forty. He doesn't really seem like he's that remorseful about it but look he has said he kind of interpreted as him being denial and lakeith wanted to start of portray him as a more conflicted character. And i do think it kind of comes across in that way of the whalen. Neil character in the movie feeling conflicted at times but even i can also understand the sense that we still don't necessarily understand beyond obviously criminal aspects of it and not wanting to get charges like why he would contain to do these things so i will say when it gets to the end and it does the normal bio picky things of showing the real characters adding the words for me. That was probably one of the most effective uses of that trope. I've seen in any bio pic. Because when william o.'neil sits down and starts talking and you're looking at his face i'm like man you like you did this and you're the guy. Yeah yes yes. Yes added his face. I feel like that trope exists entirely to say like look. How good are actors are. He's wearing the same. Well tell us what you think about. In the black messiah find us on facebook at facebook dot com slash p. c. h. H or tweet us at p. c. h. h. And when we come back it'll be time to talk about what's making us happy this week. So come right back. this message comes from. Npr sponsor capital one. Welcome to banking reimagined capital. One checking and savings accounts have no fees or minimums and a top rated banking app. That lets you manage your money anytime anywhere. Check on the account. Balance deposit checks pay bills and transfer money on the go. This is banking reimagined. What's in your wallet capital one. Na member fdic this message comes from npr sponsor tele. Doc tell the doc is here for you. With twenty four seven access to board certified doctors who can diagnose and treat non emergency conditions like sinus infections allergy rashes and more and tell the docs doctors can where authorized call in a prescription to be filled at the pharmacy of your choice. Download the app today or visit. Helen dot com slash. Npr looking back to pop culture. Happy hour time for our favorite segment of this week and every week. What's making us happy. Ronald let's start with you. What is making you happy this week. Okay so i wanna point with attention to a comic book. That i recently read called night. And it's from a very small fledgling organization called anywhere but here comic spelled with a k. And it tells the story of a new african american superhero set in the civil rights era south probably pre civil rights era south. His superpower is that he received strength from folks who have been lynched in the south he receives strikes at uses that to exact vengeance applaud people. Who do the lynching and terrorizing in the south. It's extremely violent comic book. So let me just start there. It's definitely not for everyone. I would say it's exactly making me happy. But it gave me joined the same vein of watching lovecraft country watching get out or us watching these new definitions and takes on racism and struggle for black folks in the united states and the new retailing's of those stories so again that's all night you can go to knight rises dot com to read the first issue. It's digital so have at it. That sounds great. Thank you so much. Ronald j. c. What is making you happy. So what's making me happy. This week is actually something from all the way last year in twenty twenty. And that's the obama interview by diesen mero diesen marrow of course have a show on showtime they have this kind of irreverent style that they're known for and when they sit down with obama. I think so. Funny the roles almost reverse. They're sitting down with the former president. Who's coming to promote a book and so it feels like it. I decided to let their guard down there. Sitting down with the statesman and obama is just in rare form. He's fully code switched from the obama that we usually here. And he's joking. He's relaxed the swagger of obama. The notable swagger is turned up to eleven. And they're talking about everything from obama's kind of sports career to putin to the scandalous tan suit in the big scandal. For me was the time. I wore a tan suit which i thought was pretty sharp sharp suit. I've listened. I wanted to church just like that spring and was the only thing i say. This is a dope soup. Like he looks like he's the illest. Remax realtor salesman carbondale michigan. Right now kind of no matter. What your politics as. It's interesting to see obama in such a different light than we normally see him and at the very least it's a lot of just really funny moments with the former president laurent. Thank you again. That's diesel muros interview with obama. I'm always a fan of chill obama. I think that's my favorite obama. Thank you jc. stephen. How about you. Well i'm a long on the record as a big survivor nerd. I have watched really an alarming amount of survivor in my life. Well we are now entering the second season without survivor because of covid nineteen. They haven't been able to shoot the show. And i dipped into a surprisingly wonderful little series. That entertainment weekly has been doing. They've got a journalist. Their name dalton. Ross who was basically like he's interviewed every survivor contestant they have a pretty amazing amount of content about the show. And they've been doing this series called survivor quarantine questionnaire and it's just basically email interviews with former survivor players including many who are not ludicrously Overexposed it's not just like all your like headliner survivor. People it'll be like this person was on survivor. China for nine days and got voted off. And i would have to google them to remember their face but there are these really interesting windows into the humanity of these people and like when you watch reality television. You really are of course. Getting a very edited kind of story boarded. Look at somebody's life. And i just found like spending about an hour just digging through these interviews. It became a really useful empathy exercise when it would be like somebody who i like. Invested a fair bit of energy in not liking and then to spend time with them ten or fifteen years later and see good in them. I don't know man it's it's it has been a perfect kind of covid nineteen activity to get way too deep into a subject. I've already been way too deep into and find homeless sort of feeling of personal growth in it but here we are so that survivor quarantine questionnaire on entertainment weekly. Oh i'm so glad that's making you especially in a drought of survivor. So last week the new york times did an episode from their new york. Times present docu series called framing. Britney spears and this episode follows britney spears and how she's sort of lost control of her career and her life she's been under conservator ship for the last eleven twelve years and it follows the freebritney campaign which has been sort of a social movement among her biggest fans to help britney regain control of her career and this documentary made a lot of waves on social media over the weekend especially as it pertains to the way in which the media treated britney as well has a lot of justin timberlake who she dated in the early audits. But that's not what's making me happy. It's super suppressing. What's making me happy that it actually led me to go back and rewatch some of the making the video. Episode starring brittany spears. This was from a period of her peak brittany. It was when she was creating videos for everything from oops. I did it again to lucky to you. Drive me crazy. Which is one of the ones. That i personally love and remember i. Was you know prime britney spears fan age when she was at her peak twelve eleven twelve and going back and re watching it. It is just so clear. A how much happier she was be. How much control she had because throughout the episode it focuses. Mostly on her nigel. Dick who was the director and who's collaborated with several on several videos and also darrin henson also known for darren stance groups which was breaking down all the choreography. He did for britney spears in saying all fat and to see them. All talk about how brittany has all these ideas and being you know in control of what she wanted to do and coming up at the costumes and the theme for the videos. It's such a joy to watch it. And i miss making the video on youtube. The very short episodes. I think it comes out to like maybe fifteen twenty minutes total and so seeing britney in her joy doing what she loved before things went way down. 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132: Telling the Story of Fred Hampton

Pure Nonfiction: Inside Documentary Film

34:04 min | 5 months ago

132: Telling the Story of Fred Hampton

"New fiction film tells the story of black panther. Fred hampton and the fbi informant. Who betrayed him now. We hear from the documentary makers he told the real story in eyes on the prize. And i'm tom powers and this is pure nonfiction. The hollywood film judas and the black messiah opened in january to strong reviews the actor daniel columbia one golden globe award for portraying. Fred hampton director shock. A king has said. The documentary films played a key role in his research. One of those films is the murder of fred hampton that captured the young leader when he was still alive. Preaching a multi-racial revolution. Understand that race is an excuse. You know the racism is give it back in the hands of people. We will have to pay back in nineteen sixty nine. The police in the panthers were battling across the country. Gunfights had left casualties. on both sides. At the age of twenty one hampton had already been jailed on charges of robbing ice cream with a harsh sentencing. He knew his life was in danger. Dad tall back out of bed. Hard dad call among cancel down going yields and bad things. Dad that as relevance do in the struggle and. I just wanted to be bad struggle. They're still going to comment while she in december nine hundred sixty nine chicago police raided hamptons apartment in the middle of the night. Sprain machine gun fire while he and others were sleeping. Ballistic tests later showed that the police fired more than ninety shots and the panthers. Just one hamptons. Nineteen year old fiancee. Deborah johnson now named cooler and jerry was eight months pregnant in sleeping next to him. She's interviewed in the murder of fred hampton recalling the night of the raid. It puts the brother by the kitchen. Door told us to face wall peak saying he's barely alive barely making assume they were talking about him This data shooting peas should not tuna game artist screen. Stop shooting p exceed did now. Ps one may never really happy you know. Tell days the murder of fred. Hampton came out in nineteen seventy-one it documents. A law enforcement officials repeatedly lied about what happened that night. But there were further truths to be uncovered two decades later. Another documentary shined new light on the case. I know the one thing we did is on. The prize is a fourteen part series on the struggle for black rights in america history spans from the nineteen fifties to the nineteen eighties. Its first season was broadcast on. Pbs in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven followed by a second season in nineteen ninety in this discussion. We're going to concentrate on episode twelve subtitled a nation of law with a question. Mark that covers. The story of fred hampton over the years. Investigators gained a deeper understanding of how the fbi supported the raid. That killed him. Fbi leader j. Edgar hoover was deeply fearful of charismatic leaders. Like malcolm x and martin luther king junior hoover gave a directive to prevent the rise of any messiah that could electrify a black movement. The fbi created a counter intelligence program known as cohen. Tell pro to surveillance and stir conflict inside any group they deemed a threat one journalistic feet of eyes on the prize was to get an interview with the fbi informant who befriended fred hampton and betrayed him. The judas was named william o'neil in his late teens. O'neill had been arrested for crossing state lines in a stolen car the f. b. i. Made him deal. He could stay out of prison if he would spy for them. He reported to. Fbi agent. roy. Mitchell o.'neil explains his relationship with mitchell in his interview so when he asked me to join the black panther party and he used terms. He never used the word informant. He always said you were working for me. And i associated him as the fbi so all of a sudden i was working for the fbi. Which in my mind at that. Point is associated. Fbi agent. So i felt good about. I felt like i was working undercover for the fbi. Doing something good for the finest please organization in america and so i was pretty proud. Always been curious. How the filmmakers got to go on the record. After his cover was blown in the early seventies he'd gone into the federal witness protection program and taken an alias. How did they even find him last weekend. I brought together. Four members of the eyes on the prize team for zoom call. Two of my guests were directors on that episode. Louis messiah and terry k rockefeller and to served is researchers bennett. Saner and noland walker. The person we can't interview is the creator of eyes on the prize. Henry hampton no relation to fred. Henry founded the production company black side in boston and assembled a diverse gender balance crew. That was groundbreaking. Henry died in nine hundred ninety eight at the age of fifty eight. My guess join me from locations across the country louis. Messiah run scribe video center in philadelphia terry k. Rockefeller is in boston. Bennett's senior in los angeles nolan walker is a co programmer of pbs's independent lens in the bay area. They all look back on their time. Working with henry. Hampton is formative. Noland explains what working at black side meant to him. I've finished college at howard. University nineteen eighty seven When the first eyes on the prize came on television that spring. And it was like a lifeline into a possibility for not just myself but a connection to the world so in so many ways Working with louis. Working with terry sam pollard. Linn benton at the beginning of her kind of editorial ascent if a people like john else it really was a way into the world that was so different than was beaten. What was being presented in mainstream media. Certainly a. There's only at that time i had met spike. Lee was in a car with him in on the way to bells airport and try to do my pitch despite been this is not gonna work. 'cause i was ernest. Tennessee boy from memphis and he was widely And and that was never gonna work But but but in the price in also been the the the gravity and in in the in the documentary form that precluded the need to suspend disbelief. There is an immediately There was a compelling nature that was hard to deny a friend of mine who used to be a began careers stand up comedian in ended as head of late. Middle school are out elite quaker school. Germantown us to say the truth is very compelling and there was just a direct a direct window or door for for at the very beginning to have all of that come from henry who was Was eccentric person are brilliant person And and and really believed i. I came to learn later. That henry's conference on this conflict and so and so he put these teams together Black and white male female over the supercharge material. I can't remember the last time the four of us were in the same room space together but we really were as as bit. It said to me this week via email. Ready for family reunion Because because it really was that Around this material louis. Messiah was assigned. With terry k rockefeller for the two episodes. The told the story of the black panthers. I asked louis how he experienced the system of pairing up co directors. I accepted it. I mean it would be. That was the way henry wanted to work. There were obvious. How should i say contradictions to that idea. And his idea was that okay. The black person is gonna take the black point of view. The white person's gonna take the white point of view. The males take the shogren as point of view and number one were not that binary asian americans or latinos. Things are a bit more complex than that But but what did end up happening with the pairing is not Had this extraordinary background as a television producer. She'd been working nova extraordinarily well. Organized extraordinarily good at research and really had a kind of incisive way of dealing with material which in the case of particularly within the case with a nation of law really required this kind of clear. Focus new path to make the film terry guy Bring you in and get your perspective on what that started was like. Yeah i mean first of all. I think it was team building. Henry may have been wanting to stir up conflict. But i have to say you know we were a team. Louis took the lead on one show. I took a lead on the other show. But we all conferred on everything. But i have to say. Hey really as i was thinking that enunciates thirty years my mice Second child that was born in the middle of producing this theory is just celebrated her thirty first birthday. So there is a marker but but what was extraordinary. Really you know. I remember so much. The day bennett said i think a got a contact with o'neill and we were joyous celebrating together You know it was just like we thought we've done it and now we were going to be a Gonna pursue nc where it went It's lovely to hear louis compliment my organization and everything else but quite honestly you know regardless of the work done at node a prior to coming to to black side. I'd never tackled Content as complex and as demanding as as what we were working on the final member of this reunion is ben senior originally from chicago. He was a student at harvard when he joined black side originally. He expected to intern for two months. But it turned into a five year job. One of bennett's assignments was to track down. Fbi informant william. O'neil my sense of the way it unfolded was was really that flint. Taylor who was the attorney for fred hampton as early as nineteen sixty eight Was our conduit. So flint taylor was was the lawyer who represented fred hampton and the panthers the seventy one dollar ice cream allegation which ended up getting hampton convicted of of a two to five year. Sentence flynn taylor. Was the guy one of the guys at the people's law office who defended him And defended the black panthers. And william o'neill was his client as early as nine hundred sixty nine. So there was that connection between o'neill and flint taylor before the raid before any of the you know before just to be clear here. William o'neill was flint taylor's client before flint taylor understood that he was an fbi informant exactly. But i just was rereading flynn taylor's interview with for for the project. And he said there. Were you know doubts and suspicions and questions early on before the raid and there was this question about really. Who was william oneal. And i'll say that you know that interview with o'neill and flute taylor. And the every interview that was done for is is now archived and online at the washington university archives and we can give people your l. for that but it's such a gift anyway flint taylor became the conduit and as i remember you know. He explained that this was alive but sort of un known in terms of his whereabouts and yet. That's where my dog relentless and this is obviously before the days of email. I think there were a lot of phone calls. And a lot of letters between me influence taylor attempting to to make that classic argument that the story is being told in this case it was being told without historians without pundits without experts. It was the voices of the participants and our arguments. Who will you mo- neil. That classic documentary argument was to you. Want your version of the story to be part of the telling and somehow that hannah traded and you know it was very surprising and miraculous message back that yes will you'll is willing to talk to you and and then there was this whole logistical dance. And maybe terry and louis remember more specifically but there was this question of where with the interview happen and there were three different cities like it was like this whole thriller almost as far as how would it happen when it happened. And as i understand it manhattan was was the final decision as to those location but and the question of really was it. The real william o'neil who showed up for that interview was another question. Which later flint taylor came as i remember black site and looked at the footage and verify that this is the guy that that flew taylor new and recognized in verify that you know the of course the consistencies are contradictions. Within the story is another level of fact checking and verification. But i think we can say that the guy who was identified as william o'neil in the film was william them when i first spoke with him on the telephone he didn't want me to call from the office so i think i actually went home and called him from my home number. I don't know why that concerned him. But then he kept giving me different numbers to reach him at. I actually was having trouble recalling exactly where we interviewed him. It certainly was in manhattan. I remember was a pbs office. Yes i think you're right terry. Ann lewis split the interviews for their two episodes. Because terry had done more work on the chicago chapter she took the lead interviewing. O.'neil and re hampton participated asking questions. You can watch an hour of the raw footage on video from the black side archives at washington university. We have the link in our show notes. Louis remembers his impressions of o.'neil from that day. I didn't know what to believe. I didn't i. Didn't i didn't know if he was entirely credible. Within my memories of the interview is that he slips from his use of the first person plural pronoun. We was highly unclear. Was he talking about the. Fbi was talking about the panthers and will definitely threw me definitely threw me. Here's o.'neil in the interview. Using the pronoun we to mean the panthers last from february nineteen sixty nine. The activities within the party was high speed. we were in our bloom We had about five hundred members. We were selling probably about twenty five thousand newspapers in the city of chicago every week of the panther newspaper. That is We had various Members of our party of the black panther party going to the colleges all over the state speaking engagements donations. Were coming in to the tune of about fifteen hundred two thousand dollars a day but at the same time the chicago police. It stepped up their activities. Also later in the interview o.'neil uses we to mean the fbi that reflects on the death of fred. hampton was their loss. Yes i think that The slaying of fred hampton was definitely lost to To black people in general he would have made a fine. He was a fine leader. Dan and he would have made a better leader. He was only maturing enemy. He was twenty two years old and We tried to develop negative information to discredit him. Just like we did Everybody else we meaning. The fbi tried to come up with Signs of him doing drugs or or something and never could he was clean. He was dedicated. I've had private conversations with We got along pretty well For about seven months personal bodyguard he wouldn't go anywhere without me. I know fred hampton better than anybody. Tell you the truth you know. I had spent hours on the phone trying to get him to trust me but also trying to prepare him. That i wasn't gonna go easy on him so you know. I remember structuring the questions so that i could get the background story before i got to the actual night of of of the horrible raid He he did have just you know it was. He was very nervous. he was he was jumpy And getting him to look at me you know. It wasn't easy and it wasn't always successful. I think i wanted to learn what we're all. The forces led him to do what he did and and i wanted to know if he had regrets. I wanted to know Wanted people to understand that we have a society in which people are led to do things like become fbi informant But that is you know at the center of what we have to grapple with. When we think about injustice and gives his impressions of o'neill i watched the o.'neil interview again to prepare To speak with you today and when you look at the the level of conflict shifting allegiances All of those things. I thought that he was both tragic. But also informatica and not so different than the inner dialogue that go on in everyday people's lives all the time trying to figure out negotiate when you look at the way that the fbi had him strung out for money on those charges The fact that he said. Oh i had money in trust in could draw down on. I probably couldn't get a two thousand dollars thousand dollars but he actually said what the reality us right in the piece was that he was so strung out economically on legal charge on all these things. You felt ill matic of the lives realities of a great. Many people particularly people were fighting in a freedom struggle or who are in otherwise compromised or enlisted to work for the government right and so there was a piece of him that is you can connect to i. I was in this room. I was the person who did not go on that and it was astounding to sit in a room with thomas the editor of the program in the first wheels that be put up. This is not on the washington As site o.'neil is in dark aviator sunglasses for the first couple of questions in that interview and we were like. Oh my god is the whole interview like this. And then after a certain point he described eat something reassured him and he took off the glasses and it is also killing i. There's a great moment in the anywhere. Terry's can you look at me. Can you look at my aunts. And it's really also and so when you look at that the documentary film making all those things also because this was done on timet roles where where sometimes the sound rolls out but the interview still happening with just the audio of the wild sound you look at even the that interview was so incisive and forgotten how. How keenly terry Conducted that interview to get him to refocus to get him on his toes and say what give him just the amount of discomfort but also enough safety to say what he needed to say. It really was. It really was instructive again to go back and say like wow. That's really different in abuser. Are cut now. But but when you or conducted now but when you look at o'neill again in the magic of a great many people who'd when you look back over his emmy the billy how they stories out now. How many ways people are compromised when they are just trying to reach some level therefore humanity human potential and that's the ongoing store the interview with o.'neil took place in april nineteen eighty-nine eyes on the prize to began broadcasting eight months later on january fifteenth nineteen ninety martin luther king day that night in chicago it was reported that william o'neil ran into freeway traffic and was killed at age forty his interview for eyes on the prize aired a few weeks later our show notes his a link to the chicago tribune article about his death. Noting that the coroner ruled it a suicide that o'neill left behind a five month old son but there are so many smokescreens in the life of william o'neil guess can't help questioning the official story. Here's louis messiah because it was a surprise and unexpected. I initially did not believe it. I tend. i wanted more information. I wanted more information and as you know. You're bennett implies someone. I mean it the explanation of suicide or something else. I don't know i don't know or do. People want the world to think that he had committed suicide or does the fbi putting him in a new witness protection program. Like that's another film. Maybe it's time to the real. I don't know how damaged he was at that point and and how unable he was to actually reflect on what he's done and and and of course it does raise all the issues about whether or he actually was killed or took his own life whether or not he did enter a new witness protection program In the end. I feel like i was left with more unanswered questions. Spend being able to get answers to my questions. I would just say also Related to all of us. I was googling Flint taylor again who continues to fight the good fight and there's an a really long piece that he just wrote a couple of weeks ago about new documentation linking hoover himself to to the raid and to o'neill's role which was only recently released. Two hundred files. Also the the the the the legacy and the epilogue to the story is very much alive. Just as of a couple of weeks ago with this new revelation about direct evidence from hoover himself approving and celebrating this neutralization to use the co intel pro term of of this piece of of the black panther story and so i think regardless of of what happened on t with the alleged death. You know the the bigger questions about or there have been some new answers. Actually some of the questions about. How high up did this go. What was hoover's role. And what you know. What was the overall message in terms of government repression of the civil rights movement which is teri and lawyer saying was the heart of film and i would add to that. It wasn't only fred hampton and the black panthers that considered subversive it was martin luther keg and non. You know like anybody who was fighting for racial justice or progressive politics. Who was in some sense considered subversive and un-american in need of monitoring or even new towers neutralization undesirable had all of us. But i think probably forbidden denied. Because we're just coming out of college was a real. I open wrong sitting in those offices with these f. b. i. Documents in our laps reading stuff. Like oh god they were gonna Laxatives in the orangutans gary Convention to keep everybody from meeting because they would all be in their hotel bath though. I mean everything from laxatives to keep a conference from happening to the murder slash neutralization of Of a nineteen year old twenty year. Old panter leader In chicago right so the range so that when you hear that That william o'neil has killed running across the dan ryan the day after the broadcast. You're thinking that feels like something that somebody would right now. Something that would actually app in nineteen. Sixty-nine jade gra hoover declared that the black panther party without question represents the greatest threat to internal security of the country. Hoover had the power of the us government to shape public opinion. Twenty years later eyes on the prize showed the panthers in a different light episode. Nine directed by louis and terry subtitled power. Panther leader lane brown talks about the group's program to serve free breakfast to children. The idea was two fold for the specific purpose of serving those people who were directly benefit benefited by our programs but also secondarily to influence the minds of people to understand not only that the black panther party was providing them this but more importantly that if they could get food that maybe they would want clothing and maybe they want housing. Maybe they'd want land and maybe they would ultimately want some abstract thing called freedom. Quite recently i was talking with elaine brown and realizing that what led people to the panther party Really wasn't belief that change sort of revolutionary change in this society was possible and that and what you really see what fred hampton is is really about love of pete of the people of black people but allow the you can see in his ability to form coalition. It's about love of people is comes out of this deep humanist kind of impulse and i think that when one is clear about that then i think one can understand the panthers. I would just add You know what. I what i loved about. The way luik constructed. The the story of the panthers in power was while you saw the images of the men with guns ultimately the meaning of the story. Was that it was about serving the community. It was a about using art to convey our clearly. The messages of what can happen to a community. What can happen to individuals who who work collectively not only. Do you see so much more than what a cliche version of the panthers might have been up to that time. But you saw the incredible roles women played in the panther movement. And elaine brown You know it is one of several women who who took rate responsibility for what could be a revolution. What what aim to be a revolution And to some extent. I think the vision of that movement continues. Thank my guest for speaking with me. Louis messiah terry k. Rockefeller bennett saner and noland walker. Our show notes contain more information about their work. We also have multiple links to find eyes on the prize. The raw footage of william o'neil and related films books and articles. Thanks john elsa wrote the indispensable book about the making of eyes on the prize called true south you can hear them discuss it an episode forty of pure nonfiction thanks to the filmmakers of judas and the black messiah for stirring up this history in a fresh way finally thanks to our podcast team series producer and and ordered swan and web designer cross strategy. Our theme music is composed by andre williams and our executive producer is rafael and a house. And i'm tom powers. You can follow me on twitter at t. h. o. Empowers powers you can read our show notes and sign up for our newsletter at pure non fiction dot net.

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The Feds vs. the Activists | Fred Hampton | 3

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The Feds vs. the Activists | Fred Hampton | 3

"It's early morning on december fourth. Nineteen sixty nine. Deborah johnson sits on a narrow cotton shivers uncontrollably. The air is frigid and johnson is only wearing thin robe. But that's not why she shivering johnson stares at her arms and legs. Her brown skin has been sprayed with dark red blood. She rubs herself trying to get the blood off her handshake with desperation. But it's like she stained it won't come off and now more than anything. She wants to scream to escape this nightmare. But there's nothing she can do trap behind. The metal bars in the cell. Johnson has been sitting in this chicago. Police station says just before dawn. That's when the cop shoved her in the cell. She's been waiting ever since and trying to find some way to get out but she knows she's all alone except for someone else who's been keeping her company with a trembling hand johnson touches her swollen belly. She waits to feel something some sign that her baby is still with her. She doesn't feel anything. Moving tear rolls down her cheek as she pinches her eyes shut. I got fred the love of her life and her fiance. She still can't believe it. He's gone forever now. She's going to lose the baby to she clutches her jaws and keeps her eyes. Shut tight somehow. She just has to get out of here. Find a doctor johnson. Here's a door swing. Open down the hall. Police officer with thick neck comes sauntering towards her swings. The door open and stares at her with cold and tired is all right. Let's go where are you taking me. No questions just move. The officer yanks. Her up leads down a hallway with buzzing fluorescent lights. A moment later the officer shoved into a small room. She catches herself from falling. Looks up to see a young white man in a suit sitting behind a table he jumps up furious a. You can't treat her that way. I can't you got ten. The officer walks out and slams the door behind him. Johnson turns back and sees the other man hurrying around the table he pulls out a chair gestures toward sit down. Please sit down were you. My name is geoff. I'm a lawyer who is defending fred. I have my credentials. If you wanna see them when you want right one is to help you. The first are you okay. I'll be okay amounting of you make that happen. That's exactly what. I'm going to try to make happen but just i. Could you tell me what happened. Johnson holds back and tear. She can see the pool blood. She can hear the gunshots. The smell of gunpowder in the air. I was asleep. Started shooting at us. The cop started shooting out of the bedroom. And then what and then two cops went back into the bedroom. I heard one of them. Ask if fred was still alive and then there were two more and the other one said. He's good and dead now. The police claim they entered your home with a warrant. Say they were looking for guns and announced their presence. They claim they were fired upon return. Fire in self defense. And that's how they shot. Fred line was no warrant and they didn't warn anyone. They kicked in the door and started shooting. They're liars. they killed him. Deborah listen to me. I'm going to get out of here. I promise to believe that he believe me. Johnson looks at this man. There's something about jeff haas that seems innocent and pure. He seems honest. So i won't lie to you. They're all lined up against us. The mayor the attorney general even the fbi. They want people to think. Fred was dangerous criminal and got what he deserved you and i we can prove them wrong. Johnson's chest tightens with anger. Fred hampton was no criminal. He was brave and smart and beautiful. A man who wasn't afraid to stand up for himself and his people lead the black panthers in illinois right then. Johnson feels jab in her ribcage. Sir baby incredible feeling relief suddenly washes over her and she smiles because she knows that he's a fighter just like his father johnson rubs her belly feeling her son kick again and then she realizes that no matter what. She's feeling no matter how badly she's been heard she also needs to keep finding that's all she can still do. Not fred has gone so i she needs to get out of here in the second. She's out she'll start working with this lawyer and together. They'll bring fred's murderous justice. American scandal is sponsored by monday. Dot com. i've got a small shot me in two employees but a lot of collaborators writers researchers producers the ad ops people cat remind me that i have to write and record this ad. My team is much bigger than me in my employees or the boundaries of anyone organization. Three podcasts a week is a lot of moving. Parts and a lot of opportunity for the key is communication among the team. 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Activists founded the black panther party a political organization that fought to protect black americans from police brutality. From the start the group was controversial. Its members call for oversight of law enforcement and they advocated armed self defense. It wasn't before long that the panthers drew the attention of j. edgar hoover the director of the fbi. Hoover had already waged warfare against other civil rights groups using top secret campaign known as co intel. Pro this far reaching program used a number of unconstitutional methods to target activists including spine intimidation and violence soon. The fbi was using co intel pro to target the panthers two as well as one of their emerging leaders fred hampton worked to unify. Chicago's minority populations bringing them together. In the fight against racial injustice hampton develop programs to fight poverty as a black american. He aggressively challenged white supremacy but his quick rise within the panthers would lead to a quick downfall and in their quest for justice for hampton activists would follow a trail of corruption leading from the chicago police department to the highest levels of the. Fbi this is episode. Three fred hampton the fall of nineteen sixty seven and two years before fred hampton was killed by police right now hampton gazes at a crowd of people who surround him. They've gathered on the lawn outside city hall and maywood illinois. they're standing side-by-side their faces intent and strong the side makes hampton feel like he's glowing because they're ready to take action so as he amount of what happens hampton plants feet on the grass and steadies himself and he thinks back on the last four years. He's worked tirelessly to organize the young black people of may one for some. This may be asleep e. town happy suburb of chicago. But hampton knows the truth is much more complicated in maywood. Black people live very different lives than their white counterparts. Their lives aren't always so happy. That injustice makes hampton furious and so he's educated himself and tried to figure out how to bring positive change to his home town. He studied martin. Luther king junior and malcolm x. and now at nineteen years old. He feels fully prepared to meet this moment because tonight he and his supporters are going to make an important request of the city council. It could be a big step forward for racial justice. And the first many more to come hampton digs his feet even deeper into the grass. He pulls his black cap over his curly hair. He folds his arms as a gust of wind whips. Pico up ahead. the door. To city hall of a thin white councilman exits the building. You stops just beyond the door and peers. Out of the crowd hampton cassia right away. Councilman looks nervous. Hampton approaches him. Hello sir my name. Is fred hampton. I'm with the n. Double acp youth council called earlier this week. Yeah okay what do you want. What is all this about. We're here to ask the city construct a public pool for the residents of maywood. I was told those gathered here tonight would be allowed to speak before the council. I'm afraid whoever said that was made a mistake there's too many of you are facilities are far too small. I understand that sir but these brothers and sisters are here to represent the black families of the city. They don't have a public pool to swim during the hot summer months. The council and stares at hampton and credulous was wrong with the pool in bellwood. That's just down the road. Bellwood pool has a whites only policy problem as simple. black residents. don't have a local place where they can go and cool. We need a pool just like everyone else. i think. I'm sorry. There's nothing i can do. You honestly do yourself a favor qiao hong just all of you go home sir. I was promise. I can speak hampton. Spins around several black and white lease car suddenly pull up their lights. Flashing hampton turns back to the council but the man has already reentered city hall. Pamphlets mind begins race then. He addresses the crown brothers and sisters. Stay calm. I want you to stay calm. Please let me handle this white police officer steps out from one of the squad cars. He holds a bullhorn to his mouth. Watering disperse immediately disperse officer. Everything's all right here officer as you can see. This is a peaceful gathering it will remain peaceful but we all at once. Police officers jump out of their squad. Cars hamptons heart starts to pound. He watches in shock disbelief as they rushed the crown of his black neighbors. The police officers shove in punch force them to the ground. Hanson can't understand how this went so wrong so quickly. He thought he did everything right. He was reasonable and followed the rules. But now it's obvious that mattered. White people who run maywood saw something that made them scared a large group of black people standing in one place. That was all they needed to respond with force. Hampton watches the scene unfold. When a police officer slammed into the grass he pulls hamptons arm back and cuffs arrests as hampton lies on the watching his friends and neighbors get beaten. He realizes he was wrong. He's done asking why people treat them with respect. They won't give him any so from now on demand it. It's time to change tactics. He's going to start organizing on a larger scale and he's going to go to war on behalf of his people. It's november fourth nineteen sixty eight and a year after the skirmish at city hall tonight. Fred hampton sits at the kitchen table and dimly lit chicago apartment. He looks across the room and sees his new friend. Who's leaning into the fridge balmy russia's a twenty two year old dressed in black with a full afro in a neatly trimmed. Goatee rush grabs a couple of drinks from the refrigerator and return to the kitchen table with a smile. A moment later the to clink glasses and they began meeting at hampton hopes might change the course of his life hampton and rosh met earlier this year and a black power rally in maywood. It was one of many rallies. The hampton had organized since he was arrested at city hall and his life took a turn since that moment he's increase the intensity of his work as he told rush he's ready to take his activism to the next level rush. Seems to have gotten the message because just earlier this evening. He invited hampton over and said he might have a new opportunity for russia. Just gotten back from oakland. The city where the black panther party was founded over the phone. He told hampton to hurry over. This could be a big opportunity now. Sitting together at the kitchen table rush launches into it. He explains that while he was in oakland. He sat down with black panther leaders. He learned a lot from them and was inspired. The state of illinois needs a chanter of the black panthers. Hamptons is gonna wind as a tingle of excitement. Reaches to the tips of his fingers. Hampton knows that the black panther party is one of the most important political groups in the country. They're organizing black americans who refuse to wait for progress. They're fighting for change now not in a timeframe that makes white americans comfortable the panthers are exactly what illinois needs hampton believes and so as he locks eyes with rush. Hampton asks an important question. What can he do to get involved rush laughs and takes a sip of his drink. He says that he was just about to get there. He takes another sip and then explains that he told the panther leaders about hampton. And all of hampton's important work. He said hampton was one of the smartest most charismatic activists government hampton shakes his head both flattered and encourage an embarrassed by russia's praise and he begins to feel jittery nerves if feels like russia's about to deliver news. He's been waiting for rush. Smiles takes another slow sip. And then says it's official. Hampton can join the black panther party. Not only that but national leaders have asked them to help build the panthers illinois. Chapter hampton leans back with giant grin rubs his hand over his forehead. He didn't realize how nervous and sweaty gotten. Now he feels invigorated ready to get to work in illinois. Chapter of the black panther party could help him achieve his ultimate goal. Uniting the cities people of color hampton tells rush that this is a big step forward now they can finally help feed educate defend. The black community hampton leans forward saying this last point is the most important he believes like the panthers that if a white man hits you first and you have a right to hit him back. But suddenly russia's face crow song he pushes the drink and asks of hampton is prepared to die for those beliefs. He points out that the police have killed plenty of black men who think canton us. Hampton doesn't hesitate right away. He says he is ready to defend his ideals even if that means facing his own death rush pauses takes a deep breath for second. Hampton is worried that he misspoke within russia extends his fist in hampton knocks. It with his own rush announces that the black panther party of illinois is now officially established. Hampton will be the deputy chairman. Rush will serve as minister of defense. They have to get to work. Immediately hampton nuts because with russia his side. He knows he can make the local panther party. The most powerful for chicago has ever known. It's november twenty fifth nineteen sixty j. Edgar hoover sits reading a newspaper in his office at fbi. Had he finishes the article and with scallon his face. He throws aside the newspaper. Hoover glances across the office which is preserved especially for him the director of the fbi. Hoover's now seventy three years old and he knows that he can keep this space tidy and neat but that's not how the rest of the world looks every day. Dark and treacherous forces only grow stronger in america. He subversives want to destroy everything. Hoover loves his life his agency his country. He knows he can never let that happen. Overlooks back down at his copy of the washington post which is still open to the article. He was reading. It covered recent demonstrations by the black panther party. Hoover has despises group since he first learned of its existence two years ago. They're saying they're trying to lift up the black community but hoover's positive bits and they're just black thugs he believes and they want to kill any white man. They can get their hands on. It's as simple as that but even worse. Their ranks are now rapidly swelling. There are now black panther chapters and over sixty. us cities and counting hoover's jock clinches as he glances at those numbers he knows. It's only a matter of time before these gangsters tried to launch a revolution endless war against decent white society so hoover makes a decision. He knows he can't waste any more time. He must crush the panthers now. He'll do it with the most powerful weapon that he has co intel roth who returns to his typewriter and begins rapidly. Typing out a memo. He addresses it all. Fbi offices from this day forward. He writes his agents are to employ hard hitting counterintelligence measures to cripple the panther movement and agent should work side by side with local law enforcement to do it. Hoover types the last line and grabs a sheep from the typewriter. He then rings his secretary as she appears. In the doorway hoover holds the mental out with an instruction distribute this without delay after his secretary leaves. Hoover allows himself grin of satisfaction. He's waited long enough. But now co intel pro unleashed on the black panthers. He's confident that day marks the beginning of the end for the panthers. American scandal is sponsored by policy genius. I didn't planet. But i've spent a fair number of years working for insurance companies. I worked my way through college and a big insurance call center and i ran the marketing department for a shop that sold. Mostly death and dismemberment insurance. That stuff's often crap. What you need. Is life insurance and easiest way to get it. 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He's ready to go on camera right now. Hampton is waiting inside dressing room in public access tv station in chicago. He knows that today's work is important. He's about to go on television and challenged the misinformation. That's being circulated about the panthers. People are saying that. The panthers are gang that they're drug pushers in attack white people without provocation. Hampton knows none of that's true and so tonight he's ready to sit down with a talk. Show host explain what the party is really about. He'll describe the panthers free breakfast program for school kids and promote his rainbow coalition a multi racial group of chicago residents who want community control. The police hampton straightens. His brain starts rehearsing his talking points. When suddenly there's allow knock on the door time for the taping. He thinks but when the door opens he finds to police officers standing the hallway. One of the officers steps forward and growls at hampton is under arrest and shouldn't make any sudden movements hampton fields his stomach lurch but states calmly that he hasn't committed any crimes officers smile since his hampton has an outstanding traffic warrant. Yes come with them immediately. Hampton is awash with bitter exasperation. But he knows he's not getting out of this building except in police custody so he follows the police out to a squad car. He's told to get in and hampton does as he's told. The police officers then began a quiet discussion across the street. As hampton sits in the squad car he realizes he hasn't been put in handcuffs and police officers. Just keep talking. Hamptons heart starts race. Something about this adding up. He looks around the squad car trying to find an answer then as i catch the glint of metal in the sunlight. It's a revolver that sitting right next. One hampton freezes suddenly. It's all too clear what's happening. The police want him to grab this revolver. They can say he went from one of their guns and they had no choice but to shoot him in self defense. Hampton feels his muscles tightening and he knows he only has seconds to act so he sticks both hand out the window and start shouting saying that someone left a gun. In the car both officers walkover looking at and disappointed one tells hampton the just hand the gone over it's not loaded but hampton does. That's just another trick. He says he doesn't wanna put his prints on it. He'd rather have the officer pick up the gun himself. Officer smirks and hampton can tell that he's won this battle then the officer says he surprised hampton didn't try to use the gun to escape the f. b. i. told them to expect resistance. Fbi at that moment hampton feels like. He's cratering down into the earth harassment from local police. The fbi if they set him up for an execution and hampton isn't true danger. Its may nineteen sixty. nine fred. hampton stands in their centenary of chicago's black panther headquarters. The party offices are small and dimly lit not only have a couple of wooden tables but on those tables were piles of guns ammunition hampton checks. Watch it's eight fifty eight pm. He's expecting guests to arrive any minute and glances at the weapons sitting on the table. This should be a friendly meeting. But for the panthers you can never be too safe. Still hampton does feel hopeful because right now. He's on trial for a robbery. he didn't commit. He needs legal health and he needs it now. Now just so happened that earlier today. He was at the courthouse when two white lawyers approached him and said they came to voice their moral support hampton looked in the eyes and said if they are serious about the revolution. They should come by the headquarters tonight. The two hand agreed and hampton felt grateful because not only could they help and fight these false charges they could help the panthers and large movement. Soon there's a loud knock. Downstairs and hampton exchanges looks with the men who stand by aside their two of his most trusted fellow panthers one lean silently against the wall holding heavy metal flashlight other carries a shotgun hampton speaks into the intercom was skip andrew from the legal assistance foundation. I'm here with my barner hampton onto this fellow panther who buzzes them in a moment later the two young white men in suits reached the top of the steps both look nervous but something has got tells hampton that he can trust these so he grins and gestures to follow his fellow. Panther stands with shocking. It's nothing personal. Skip it. it's good to see you. We've just got to be ready for anything. People aren't always who they say. Skip andrew one of the lawyers straightens his time not oh we understand and probably not a lot of folks you can trust these days right no not when the chicago police and the fbi trying to destroy the party. Anyway they can. Yeah those are pretty serious enemies. You've got so. So how can we help you with that fine. Well we need a legal team when you you to fight. The charges brought against the panthers and the state keeps trying to set me up. Get me convicted on crimes. i didn't commit. that's why when the struggle isn't just a black struggle to class and impacts us. All white people are welcome to join the cause. Well we we really want to help you friend we know chicago. Police are corrupt. Everyone knows that we believe in what the panthers are doing. But the legal assistance foundation doesn't allow us to work on criminal cases hampton size. This isn't the first time that white do-gooders let him down. Whether i don't think you can help us. Criminal charges are all we deal with. You heard them. At the courthouse they accuse me of robbing an ice cream truck one. That's the plan. I think jailing me over and over. We'll stop the panthers but we need to show them the wrong. Andrew looks down thinking not as you head turns to his partner and says a few words under his breath before the hampton. Well you know what we. We've got a partner jeffrey haas. He's an incredible attorney and specializes in civil rights law. Andrew then pauses weighing his words. So what. I'm thinking is one if we start a whole new legal office independent dedicated to representing the panthers fighting your find and using the law as our weapons. But i need you to understand that if you defend us. You could become targets yourselves. Career scare lives. You're putting it all at risk so yeah we could use your help. I want you to think long and hard about this well. I don't have to because someone said if you walk through life and don't help anybody then you haven't had much of a live. Hampton blinks the for a moment he's overcome with emotion. Those were his words. Thank you we've needed men like you for a long time and we're happy to help fred. Hampton smiles as he walks lawyers to the door for years he's faced harassment from police and those in power. They'll do anything they can to keep black americans from gaining equal rights and hampton has fought back every way he can and sometimes it feels like he's losing but that's not how we feel right now as he parts ways with two young lawyers hampton feels renewed sense of hope. It's time to back to work organizing and speaking making the world a more equitable place. Hampton thinks about deborah his fiancee and fellow black panther. Who's two months pregnant. He thinks about the black child that you into this world and now that he has legal support on his side hampton knows. There's no letting up. His work must continue. Its late fall. Nineteen sixty nine william. O'neill walks quickly through downtown chicago. He turns every few steps to make sure he's not being followed. O.'neil steps into a bar where the air smells like cigarette. Smoke and mildew is is adjusted the dim light. Neil scans the room. The skinny bartender is in his normal spot. Winding down mugs a couple wino- sit with their eyes drooping then o.'neil spot who is looking for balding white man in a dark blue suit sitting at the edge of the bar o'neill walks over takes a seat next to the man in orders scotch and soda. The man of history then slides a cocktail napkin. Toward o.'neil clicks a black ballpoint pen places it on the bar. He then tells o'neill to get to work. He needs the floor. Plan of fred hampton's apartment o'neill's drinker is and he pauses to take a deep swig. Feels like the scott burns more than it should as it goes down and o'neill dips his head. Thinking about the mess. Brought him here two summers ago. He tried stealing a car. That's when he was busted by the very man sitting beside him. Fbi agent roy mitchell. O'neill was given to choices. He could go to prison for grand theft auto or he could go undercover as a black panther and report back to the fbi. About the party's activities. Neil didn't have to think about it much if giving the fbi information would keep him out of prison. That was fine by him but now this meeting today on neo feels a slight pang of guilt. He's pretended to be a friend of fred. Hampton and deborah johnson. Not mention all the panthers and so he turns the mitchell and asks the fbi agent what he plans to do with this information. Why do they need hamptons for agent. Mitchell takes the last of his drink in orders another. then he turns to o'neill his breath sour with alcohol and says that is not his place to ask questions unless o'neill's tired of living on the outside. There's always a place for him in prison. If you want o'neill shakes his head and sips his drink. He doesn't want to go to prison. Freedom does taste sweet and so he begins. Explaining the floor plan of hamptons apartment. He says at hamptons pregnant fiancee. Debra johnson lives there too. Not to mention several other black panthers mitchell downs his drink and pushes a glass towards the bartender and he rises and says that this will probably be their final meeting pats. O.'neil on the shoulder tells them the have a nice night and then he walked out the barf. O.'neil rubs his face with his palms and orders and other drink. He looks around the bar and all the men drowning their sorrows. Everyone's running from something. Thanks a mistake something you can never take back on. The you'll knows that he's now crossed that line. He's not sure what the fbi will do with fred hampton's for plan but he knows it bad for hampton for his fiancee for all the people. O.'neil has gotten to know so when he can only hope that they make out mind. American scandal is sponsored by simply safe every twenty six seconds. 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As and get a free security camera plus a sixty day risk free trial with any new system order. So there's nothing to lose go today to simplisafe dot com slash a s. It's december fourth. Nineteen sixty nine denver. Johnson lies in bed asleep right now. She's in the middle of a dream. She's picnicking in lincoln park. It's sunny breezy day. And she's lying on a cool patch of grass but she's no longer pregnant stanford boy is a toddler. He's wearing red overalls. And he runs laughing toward his father. Fred hampton hampton. Grins and scoops. Her son he lays quick playful kisses on the boy and her son squeals into light. Johnson has never felt happier more. Peace suddenly the ground begins shake. It's louder becoming a deafening roar. Johnson opens her mouth to cry out. Her i shoot open. She's back in the real world back in her apartment in chicago and it wasn't just a nightmare. Apartment is full of terrifying noises. Pounding footsteps screams. Johnson jumps out of bed instinctively holding her large belly. She's still eight months pregnant whatever's happening. She has to protect this baby. Johnson freezes at the sound of gunfire and shattering glass. She can't see who's doing the shooting. What is clear. The panthers are under attack. Johnson turns back towards the bed. She sees at hampton. That somehow still asleep. She shouted him to wake up his eyelids flutter and he begins to lift his head but then he sets it back down again. Johnson screamed so loud. Her throat feels like is going to tear open. She shakes hamptons shoulders. But he won't wake up. Fellow panther appears in the doorway and shouts at johnson. Get down. there's a series of more shots than plaster comes bursting off the walls white cloud of dust. There's another bay. Johnson sees the panther in the doorway. Take a bullet to the stomach tumbling to the floor. Suddenly the shooting stops. Johnson hears heavy footsteps approach soon. A policeman fills the doorway. He's a towering figure with a shaved head is is travel over her body and he sneers johnson pulse wroclaw's tight but he marches into the bedroom and grabs her by the arm. He flings her into the hallway. Johnson trips over the wounded panther that just fell and the second officer pushes pastor into the bedroom. Hamptons still lies asleep. Johnson knows she should warn hampton. All she can manage is an incoherent stouter. Another police officer dripping with blood. That isn't his own tells her shop. He drags her to the kitchen. That's when johnson. Here's an officer in the bedroom. Asked hampton the still alive then two gunshots ring. Johnson puts her face in her hands. She knows what's happened. She doesn't even need to hear the other officers. Say that hampton is good and dead now twelve hours later. Jeffrey hall sits in a dark bar drinking as fast as he can. The bar is crowded and other people bump into him but he doesn't react. he barely notices. Every part of his body is numb aside from his chest which feels heavy with a doll lake. Haw sometimes comes here after work to sort through his thoughts but today there's nothing to sort through. He has only one thought and repeats in a loop. Fred hampton his dead. Ause the lawyer who works with the panthers and he saw him to net the law suit. Couple of days ago hampton was talking about political education programs for the poor who's powerful larger than life but that all changed this morning ran four thirty. Am when hampton was murdered alongside another member of his group miraculously seven panthers survived including deborah johnson. But that's small comfort hospice with johnson. This morning what he learned about the raid will haunt him for the rest of his life. Ha's knows that he'll need to keep fighting to get justice for hampton but right now he doesn't have to strike haase's just about or another drink when he looks up at the tv in the corner on the screen is the illinois attorney general according to the news reports the attorney general orchestrated the raid on hamptons apartment. He's bringing criminal charges against the surviving panthers claiming they attacked police officers during the raid. Ha's feel sick to his stomach has watches the state's highest law enforcement official line. He so distraught that he barely notices a white middle-aged man taking a seat at the next barstool man. Let's glass and salutes the tv screen heard. The cops only got two of those panthers which could have been there would have helped him get a few more house glares at fury taking over his thoughts. And you should stop talking. What did you say you heard me. What's wrong with you on their site. You actually support what those animals are doing shooting cops running around with guns. They're terrorists they're human beings is what they are. They just want the same rights. You and i have Give me a break up. There started to shoot at. They got what they deserved. You shoot a cops the cops shoot back as one thing. slams his glass on the bar what they deserved for the cops to leave them alone. That's not what the god is it now. The cops ambush them because the attorney general. He doesn't like that. The panthers criticized the cops are being dirty and corrupt which they are in you know it. He doesn't like what fred hampton stood for for. Yeah what's that revolution revolution. My friend one that is long overdue. Haas finishes his beer and stands man glares at him eyebrows. Raised that that on tv. That was murdered. I'm gonna prove it haas heads for the exit. He's determined he's going to keep digging and pushing and fighting in court until all. The panthers are vindicated and the official lies are exposed. He won't stop until the world knows. The truth about fred hampton's death has has walked through the dr chicago streets. He remembers the last four words. That fred hampton ever said to him. Forwards panthers often say to each other in greeting and farewell power to the people hoster into corn and brees in the cold december air. He quietly repeat the words to himself power to the people. Jeffrey hawes spent the next thirteen years working to prove that the fbi and the chicago police department conspire to murder. Fred hampton he ultimately succeeded and showing that. The official account of the rate was aligned. Ballistics data revealed that chicago police fired. Nearly one hundred shots into hamptons apartment. There was only one shot fired in. Response the official account of the raid was alive surviving. Panthers were cleared of criminal charges. Ha sued for damages and nineteen eighty-three the city of chicago cook county and the federal government paid a settlement of one point eight million dollars which went to the survivors of the raid as well as the families of hampton and his fellow panther who died. Ha's legal team. Also use subpoenas to uncover internal fbi b. i. documents that proved to be damning. The file showed the co intel pro. The top secret. Fbi program was focused on the destruction of the black power movement as well as its leaders. Such as fred hampton using the documents he unearthed hamas has claimed at the fbi coordinated with local law enforcement in preparation for the deadly raid. In twenty twenty has described the murder of hampton as the most well documented case of domestic assassination by the us government. Many also believe that the fbi was responsible for hamptons inability to wake on the morning of the rain. They claim that the night before hampton had been drugged. By william. O'neil the fbi informant twenty. Five days after fred hampton staff denver. Johnson gave birth to their son. Fred hampton junior. Both are activists to this day. Hampton didn't live to see the opening of an integrated public swimming pool in his hometown. But in two thousand six the bust of hampton was erected outside may woods. Fred hampton family aquatic center beneath the bosses of plaque inscribed with the following hand. You find leave. I'll be back. And when i do come back i'll be back to stay and join the revolution next on american scandal and nineteen seventy-one eight antiwar activists plot to steal documents from an fbi office of pennsylvania. The truth stan cover will forever change the bureau and the country from wondering this episode. Three of the fed's versus the activists for american scandal. If you like our show please give us a five star rating lever review to tell your friends subscribe on apple podcasts. 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The Human Ethics of Artificial Intelligence

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The Human Ethics of Artificial Intelligence

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That i work on myself or you might find my voice new and strange But in any case hello thank you for existing in for being here today in honor of international women's day i wanted to do this episode about ethics in technology and specifically an artificial intelligence. You know about the ways that tech can can hurt or help the quest to make the world more equitable and you might be going. Aren't computers essentially or even quintessentially unbiased. you know a program doesn't have feelings. It only has code that executes and of course that's true but the humans who write the code do have biases some conscious. Some unconscious and so the ways that we tell programs to work can carry those biases one example that i always think of and you might have seen headlines about this back in two thousand nine twenty ten about how am digital cameras can behave in biased ways There was this whole thing. Where some webcams weren't tracking and focusing on the faces of black users and some other cameras were flagging photos of asian subjects because the software insisted that their eyes were closed. In both of these cases it was clear that the programs had been trained on photos of vast majority of white faces The programs didn't know what to do with skin that reflected light differently or with. Is that that. We're a different shape. And i will say this is not a purely digital issue on this sort of thing has been an issue in photography for as long as photography has existed A film stocks were originally created with only white subjects in mind and it wasn't until like furniture and chocolate companies started lodging complaints with kodak in the nineteen sixties and seventies. The kodak started to adjust their films to better capture different shades of brown. But on this like small example scale you know like that sucks for the users of these cameras but these problems are really compounded when you start getting into big data and machine learning and artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence has the capacity to totally change our world for the better Thing for making our energy grid. More efficient more adaptable preventing tragic outages like we saw in texas recently to helping farmers make most of their resources and getting more fresh foods to people who currently don't have good access to that To making autonomous vehicles possible. To letting your doctor just like real quick consult every case of the disease ever while making a decision about how to proceed with your treatment To stopping the thing where you always get served ads for the thing you just bought. Yes i like that t shirt. That's why i just bought it up okay. Anyway it's not it's not as simple as Asimov's laws of robotics when you start getting into the wider consequences of a i m in you know A robot may not injure a human being or through inaction allow a human being to come to harm. Which of course didn't even work in the fictional world that that asthma was setting up in robot. Ethics is totally a thing that is also not simple and of course it is ideal. If you're if you're roomba or you're a thomas car does not kill you But we're talking about designing these systems. That will change the way of life. For whole societies. is a big deal and it could lead to some big problems so we need to talk about how to train your them These big systems start small with designers training algorithms with data sets so right from the start. you have the issue of what data is going in and within that data. What's being paid attention to and what's being ignored and now i'm not saying that these designers are like all mustache twirling villains out there to do evil but they are human you know where each moving through the world with our own set of experiences and there are so many other experiences that were bound to fail to take some of them into consideration or to or to misunderstand some of those circumstances which is why so important to have people from a variety of backgrounds on these projects and right now diversity in tech is a not great Back in two thousand fourteen. A whole bunch of big tech companies got together and pledged to increase diversity in their work forces and make their results public and every year these reports come out and the numbers haven't changed that much in some of these categories in six years Women are better represented now Or as of two thousand twenty rather having gone from around. Fifteen percent of the workforce to around twenty three percent of the workforce at places like google and facebook but the only company that showed a comparable jump in a black employees was amazon and they're including their distribution center employees and other categories of underrepresented. People like people with disabilities aren't even being reported in all of these public results but studies show that they are dramatically underrepresented in the workforce. Just isn't great. You know when we were designing technology like self driving cars that will need to take into consideration the movement of wheelchair users and there are unfortunately instances of programs being made specifically with bias like in two thousand fourteen to twenty sixteen. When the boston police department used the social media surveillance system to flag posts made by regular citizens who Who used certain terms for example Colloquial arabic muslim words or Words like ferguson or protest and we are all in this whether we like it or not Again just as one example everything that we do online from you know what we type into search engines and social media sites to our location data to how we move our mice or like tap at our smartphones. All of that has the potential to be recorded and collected and sold and referenced and referenced and used to track us in any number of ways but ai systems are a huge industry worldwide business spending on artificial intelligence hit about fifty billion dollars in two thousand twenty and it's expected to more than double that by twenty twenty for Retail banking media governments. All kinds of industries are investing in this and all of this is fairly new but of course the field of ethics and even computer at dick's is not new at all So ethics and technology have always been tied together Because every time that that we humans create some new technology that changes our world and how we interact with it and each other we have to reconsider our world and our interactions. You could even argue that in that way like like philosophically ethics is itself a type of technology. But i'm not gonna go that deep today i am backing away from that precipice So let's skip ahead from you know the beginning of human consciousness to the nineteen forties. Because that's when digital computers were being invented and in the field of cybernetics got started That's the science of information feedback systems. Right cybernetics was pioneered by not mathematician norbert wiener and some of his colleagues as they were working during world war two to develop an anti aircraft cannon that could That could a detect and track a fast moving airplane and then be extrapolate the airplanes probable location in the immediate future and eighteen and then see signal the firing mechanism to fire and that internal communication that the machine was doing really got weiner thinking in nineteen forty eight he published a book called cybernetics or control and communication in the animal and the machine and he mused that these new computing machines could very easily become central nervous systems for processing all kinds of data from all kinds of instruments and that potential was huge. He compared it to nuclear weapons He wrote long before nagasaki and the public awareness of the atomic bomb. It had occurred to me that we were here in the presence of another social potentialities of unheard of importance for good and for evil. Oh weiner expounded on this in a book. Peace published in nineteen fifty called the human use of human beings which which basically predicted that integrating computer technology into society was going to be another revolution just as sweeping and messy as the industrial revolution and he tried to lay out a bit of groundwork for how to not like totally bork. It up spoiler alert People worked it up anyway. There wasn't a whole lot more work done. In the field of computer ethics until the nineteen sixties and seventies when computer-based crime and information security and privacy concerns had already become a problem so by the mid sixties corporations and the government had boat begun collecting just giant amounts of personal data about us citizens in literally massive computers. I guess i guess. All computers are literally massive in that they have mass. But you know what. I mean From medical records military records to legal documents to shopping habits and this journalist by the name of vance packard wrote a book called the naked society published in nineteen sixty four about the inherent privacy issue of having that information collected and available for instantaneous reference Something of an uproar ensued Focusing as packard's book did on the us government's use of citizens information And it led to just a whole bunch of data transparency legislation over the next decade The freedom of information act the fair credit reporting act all designed to make sure that citizens are able to know what data is being collected about them by the government. And how it's being used and to fair. At that time most computational power was in the hands of the government but this legislature and conversation really ignored the activities of private corporations and it never really questioned the ethics of collecting all of that data in the first place And this is apparently like a very american thing. The concept that information is inherently good and like more is better But that is a rabbit hole for another day. But it's not that people were thinking about the ethics one important thing that happened around the same time. Was that a researcher by the name of don parker who was looking into crime. Being committed via computers parker proposed to this leading industry professional organization the association for computing machinery that they develop a code of ethics for their members and they were like. Yeah cool you. You do that So he headed up a committee and the acm adopted their first code of ethics in nineteen seventy three. They've updated it. I think like about once a decade since then with the most recent accuser in two thousand eighteen. it's really thoughtful One of my favorite bits from the intro. It specifies that it's quote not an algorithm for solving ethical problems rather it serves as a basis for ethical decision making You can read it if you're into that sort of thing by going. Acm dot org. And then back to our timeline. In nineteen seventy six joseph v. baum who had created the psychotherapy mimicking chat bot elisa a decade earlier. He published his book computer power and human reason from judgment to calculation and this book was a response to the response that had gotten from people to his chat bot elisa and i know that jonathan has talked about this chat bot on the show before It comes up a lot in discussions about the turing test. And how convincingly computers can approximate human communication because it was one of the first that was effective The thing is though that vise and ballum designed eliza as a demonstration of how bad computers inherently are at this type of communication but he got the opposite response from people who tried the program out in talking to. I mean typing with elisa about their psychological problems. People felt like elisa understood them even when they knew it was a robot So vise and bomb was kind of like whoa wait And so he wrote this book to really explain the differences between computation and human intelligence and to assert that ethics are imperative in the design of artificial intelligence because people will forget the computers. Do not have the understanding that the wisdom the moral emotional consideration of human beings and this is when Things really started picking up in the field of computer at the Also in nineteen seventy six this professor. Who was teaching medical ethics at the time. Walter bainer noticed how computers were were complicating that field and he became the first person in academia to really decide. Computer ethics should be. Its own field of research and application He he wrote the computer. Technology was creating whole new ethical. Concerns that needed to be taken into consideration So he popularized the term. Computer ethics added speeches and workshops and everything and jumping ahead to nineteen eighty five. The first major textbook on the subject was published called. Computer ethics edited by one. Deborah johnson and johnson disagreed with manner She argued the computers. Weren't creating new problems but rather exacerbating old problems. Around things like privacy ownership power and responsibility. We will get into what the future may hold after we get back from a quick break. This episode of text office sponsored by epson do print a lot or wish. You could print more without worrying about think. It's important to have the right printer. Epson is changing the game with their cartridge. Free eco-tank printers that have supersized easy to fill inc tanks then means you will never hassle with buying expensive ink cartridges ever again. Eco-tank comes with a ridiculous amount of ink. So you don't have to worry about running out. It comes with enough ink so you can print thousands of pages now you can print all your business documents reports tax forms and your tasks lists in color to stop buying expensive ink cartridges and save yourself from the frustration of replacing ink cartridges ever again. Kiss expensive cartridges. Goodbye just fill ential. Learn more at epson dot com slash tech stuff Welcome back as the computer industry grew with a consumer adoption of home computing with with internet access growing and both the capacity in the ubiquity of computers. Just absolutely snowballing The field of computer ethics exploded and more and more groups formed to to help. Everyone make sense of all of this. For example. The electronic frontier foundation was founded in nineteen ninety there that advocacy and activism group. That's dedicated to defending civil liberties as technology advances. And okay. this is kind of a side quest. But i i did not know this. They actually formed up in response to the federal seizure of a bunch of computer equipment belonging to steve jackson games. Yup the company that brings us apples to apples and munchkin. Lots of other. good stuff. So what happened here was that was it. There was this Bellsouth digital documented that explained how the emergency nine one one telephone system worked and it leaked and the us secret service was concerned that having that info out there was a security concern. You know that hackers might overwhelm the system Something like that. So so the the secret service was conducting raids tracking documents digital distribution. Sif jackson was innocent But they got this warrant conducted. This raid took all his stuff And wound up accessing and deleting a bunch of personal bulletin board messages from the company's website in the process and now the secret service. You know didn't find anything. So they gave the equipment back and didn't press charges. But steve jackson was like a no no no. Y'all almost tanked my business. You've violated the privacy of my bulletin board users. We are pressing charges against you. But there was really no civil rights organization that was prepared to take on the case due to the technological complexity of the issue so the f- f. formed in order to bring that suit to court And that was the first time the court recognized. The email should have equal protection to To two phone calls or any other kind of communication so so thanks. Thanks steve jackson for for everything The f. is done a whole lot of important stuff in nineteen ninety-six. They got encryption technology. Taken off the list of nationally regulated weapons. That's a separate episode though anyway. So side quest over back to the main quest All of this computer stuff exploded and the field of computer ethics specialized. So now you've got internet ethics information systems ethics robot ethics. And i and i do want to say all of this does coincide with work being done in in other fields in engineering and information science like. I don't want to imply that computer. Technology was the only field that had been a working west and contributing to these to these ethical theories and the practical application of them. But like i was saying at the top of this episode. One of the really interesting specialties. To me is in. Ai ethics because it does have such potentially sweeping effects and also because it keeps coming up in the news for less than rod reasons You have probably seen headlines over the past few years about algorithms gone wrong There's there's the story from two thousand sixteen where propublica found that the software used by some courts to determine the risk of criminal defendants committing offenses and therefore to determine whether to detain those defendants until trial or or what kind of bail to set for them At least one of those algorithms called compass regularly found black people riskier and white people less risky even when everything else about the defendants cases were comparable and this kind of issue crops up in discussions about hiring software as well because of a lack of care in in their design these programs that automatically through resumes have ranked applicants who have woman sounding or black sounding names as lower inconsideration and then there's google's search algorithms from two thousand fourteen to twenty eighteen. There were all of these headlines reverse image searches using photos of black people were returning images of guerrillas because no one had taught the system how to consider dark skin tones in people or if you searched the the seemingly innocuous term black girls the the first page results out of trillions of web indexed pages included porn or there was research into the search history of the white guy who killed nine black people in a church in charleston south carolina. It's highly likely that he was radicalized. At least in part due to the way. Google search works Taking into account location and demographics about him and other searchers in his area a google search returning white supremacist propaganda when he searched the term black on white crime. By the way related. To this you can make google give you less specialized search results and i am looking into that and doing it as soon as i finished recording this this because it is continually infuriating to me. Just just but i'm doing my reading for podcast episodes like this and trying to find stuff. That isn't like a restaurant in my area. If i'm talking about a larger concern anyway. I also remember how i was talking about the the flaws in programming of digital cameras and how they sometimes have trouble discerning specific features people of color You know extrapolate that out to how facial recognition software is used with surveillance footage by police departments The software is more likely to make a mistake in identifying a black person's face because the software just isn't as good as seeing that face because of how it was programmed which can lead to false identification and thus wrongful harassment and arrests Georgetown university put out a whole report on this in two thousand sixteen called the perpetual lineup. That report found that half of americans have photos and facial recognition databases by the way Which includes just lots of people with no criminal backgrounds and of course even if we fix those that that isn't gonna fix the fact that communities of color are subject to more surveillance in the first place more recently there have been headlines and a whole discussion about this new rule that was issued in september of twenty twenty by the us department of housing and urban development and this rule essentially makes it super difficult for banks or landlords or homeowners insurance companies to be sued for denying housing to people of color if an algorithm was used to make that determination based on the concept that algorithms cannot be racist. The rule was immediately challenged End in january of twenty twenty one president biden issued an executive order directing the department of housing and urban development to to examine the rules effects. But who who And you know it's it's not it's not easy. None of this is easy In order to build a non-biased artificial intelligence system we I mean like like humans not like you and me dear listener. We need to change the systems that lead to the building of artificial intelligence. We need to examine how the the design and programming is taught How companies conduct their business. How policy is written and and who has access to seats at all of those tables. I mean it's also not technically easy like when you build and train these systems just adding more diverse data isn't magically going to make the system better less biased rules it might create conflicting rules It is expensive in terms of time and effort and just pure physical energy to to do this work the pitfalls of not doing this work are tremendous can cause measurable hurt in people's lives and as one doctor w tra a material science engineer has said any sufficiently advanced neglect is indistinguishable from malice. But the benefits to doing. This work are equally measurable and tremendous one consideration. Moving into the future is how to square the very concept of ethics with an increasingly multicultural digital world You know not not everyone on. The planet grew up with european philosophy. Going back to the ancient greek the basis of their ethical conception and we also have to acknowledge that You know whatever culture is philosophical basis. It's probably rooted in some biases of its own Just for example out of throwing it out there if your society has coated emotions as feminine and feminine as bad Then you're probably not giving emotional harm as much weight if any weight as physical harm in your considerations of justice and you can see the effects of this in things like the care that we give our veterans with physical injury versus veterans with ptsd Or just the general ways that our society handles mental health versus physical hell or or any kind of neuro divergence all of this work artificial intelligence and ethics thereof is really requiring us to redefine intelligence to to fully consider what we mean by human intelligence what logic and emotion and experience go into that and the ways in which machine intelligence might differ the stanford encyclopedia of philosophy references minsk as nineteen eighty-six book the society of the mind saying we do not wish to restrict intelligence to what would require intelligence if done by humans and of course that's true Hey i can do stuff that we can't that that's arguably the whole point But it all has to be done with the best of what human intelligence can be in mind. And i'm just now realizing that like i might have written a forward thinking episode instead of tech stuff episode. But but that's what i've got for you today so if you have enjoyed this episode and would like to hear more from me You can find me on podcasts. Like brain stuff. it's a. It's a daily short form. General science and culture show Or saver which is a food science and history show or american shadows which is produced with aaron. Mckie's company grim mild. It's it's a show about some of the Darker bits of american history And ways in which even those dire situations Had light brought to them. I would like to give a quick shout out to my friend. Damian patrick williams. He works in this field and has made me more familiar with a lot of the concepts. That i talked about today. You can find lots more from him at a future worth thinking about dot com. 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F.D.R. (F*ck Da Rich): Pussy Cookie Rush

The Dr. Susan Block Show

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F.D.R. (F*ck Da Rich): Pussy Cookie Rush

"All right everybody gets stuff makes you and you have you have your water so you can hydrate and you got all your stuff right you read and okay so the trains here. Y'all come aboard. We have Some some new people today from some some place called read it. Pennsylvania this is in reading pennsylvania. Doctor is ready in pennsylvania. What is reading in pennsylvania right okay and i read it on. Read it you read it. Wow so we want to welcome you. And i know you don't know that we are but a lot of you know my wife that stock to susie for all you guys are about thirty or forty. I know what you were doing when you were a little kid at eleven o'clock at night you listening to the show or watching or watching. So are we doing here when we were on. Hbo and public access tv. Yeah okay so central yaar century cable wifi sensor cable. That was our flagship station right okay. So now we're on facebook to okay so before we start tonight before we start. I mean before we start the official. I thought sharded. Well yeah we did. But then you take over and i shut up and that's when we actually start real star chrishell free show ambuhl to get you fired up. Sit in your corner or stand. Maybe i'll make you stand With a cap on you had it will stand naked. Stand okay so Tonight i wanna talk a little bit Can somebody closed the train door. Because it's also wendy in here and very noisy all right now. The train has gone train at all where her on. The train stopped the territory. It hit a sheep bussum paradise. Okay i had the train car. Totally insulated and we are in the bar of the lounge in the train car. Okay and all our equipment. Is the bar the bars right behind us. Okay so i got carried away again so before we start. I want to talk about mark. Mark zuckerberg bird bird. I call him marquee. See mark eze. Alright mortgagee got some woods for you. I understand you run in some kind prison camps. You put a bunch of people in prison without trial and by the way if you're listening to this a everything's cool very cool so you take away a right that our forefathers and actually god and two goddesses gave us and that's the ability to speak freely and i understand all of this because i've been prosecuted twenty three times my work i've been in prison. That's all cool. But it's not very civilized and the oppression of sexuality depression of sexuality and particularly the oppression of female sexuality is is not an acceptable Way to run a culture in any she performed. So i just want you to be where i know. You're you're all going to prison telling you every american is going to one prisoner. Another is a matter of fact. I would say getting you ready for that. Like you wanna do certain things you know and marcus. Part of this is marcus. Part of this massive censorship. And it's personal for me so anyway we're on the train ride away. I just realized we fucked up. We may have to go back because we took the wrong train. We suppose take track nine. Took track eight but that's okay. That's the infinity sign and now ladies and gentlemen without further. Ado i give you dr suzie. I thought i was already given. Oh no not been sitting here started the provo. Really been doing okay. All we're we're not able to be seen on my page on facebook because of course we're being censored by mark easy because why i don't know why honestly the censorship that's going on right now is so pervasive a little bit like a pandemic of censorship so a couple of weeks ago facebook censored me because of post from two thousand nine and gave me no course of appeal and just put me in their famous mark zuckerberg prison camp Facebook jail it's affectionately known as for thirty days and now in tonight they just said that one of my videos from three years ago is somehow in violation of something some community standard not my community but some communities somehow in somebody's mind or in the algorithms of bought and so i've been censored again i but i don't know how many times they can put me in jail. Maybe now they're gonna put me in solitary. I don't know but also being censored by youtube we can't completely fault market z. It's the fault of big tack yet. The cleansing is going on with a lot of sex oriented cleansing organizations and individuals. And it's going on with other people. I mean what. We were censored for on youtube. Had nothing to do with sex really. I don't think it was bullying and harassment when we were critiquing the capital right so that show is still censored and we are being labeled and defamed by youtube. Whenever you go to see that show well at least the channels up for now yes. There's a big push to censor to cleanse to sanitize and exterminate on the part of big tech. And i guess that mostly it hits people that have a medium size audience or following. It's it's very focused on us. Because we're the ones that might get flagged and that don't have lawyers that no facebook lawyers you know so if you're cardi b. you don't get censored and if you're somebody that has an audience of like twelve you don't get censored but if you have a decent following of a few thousand but not so many that you really have that clout then you get censored. That's that's who the drones go after and yeah it would be nice speaking of public access if there was some form of internet public access paid for but not controlled by the big social media platforms just like the cable. Companies used to pay for but not control public access tv. I think that that would be great. you know because i understand that these. These platforms are private so there should be a public alternative besides just your own website. Which obviously we we have. But can you discriminate. of course you can. Yes yes and. I can't deny that they have that right. The problem is they're too big and we have come to rely on them as the commons the public square the place where we can communicate with our fellow humans and have free speech rights. What we don't have free speech rights because these are private companies but Either they shouldn't be or they should be broken up so break it up big tech and speaking of censorship free julian assange. Okay that guy. I mean i'm sorry. Facebook jail is bad but real jail is well. It's a sin what people are doing. I often say lovers centers in an affectionate way. But i don't mean it. That way right now i mean it's a terrible unconscionable thing that several governments are doing to a journalist. Julian assange who should have his free speech preserved and his life. He's they're killing them in their free. Julian assange pair hair. Joe so on you. Now joe drop the appeal drop it. Don't extradite him the let him out and freebritney. I mean she's not jail but you know she wall serves to her. Dad did learn lucile conserva ship over her. No good okay. That's good so who got the money. Now they'll be added person attitude so it's not he's not the sole person responsible so it's like one step toward there are so many crazy celebrities so many that do not have their rights to control their own fortunes and lives taken away from them. I believe that it taken away from britney because she's so sexy orca she's a woman. Well she's a woman a sexy woman and there's a lot of crazy women out there crazy men crazy celebrities. I don't know that they've had this done to them so freebritney but really free. Julian assange britney's not jail. Britney's britney's doing all right. Actually as far as i can see happy. Black history month right. It seems silly that it's only one month right. Yeah i feel lacking not saying it at all so It's like women's history month kind of silly but we have one month for women's history. I mean i know i'm jewish. I wouldn't want to jewish history month. Somebody asks somebody's out that speaking of black history month. I saw the key. The black cantor's. Oh yeah that was interesting. Nice picture of a bunch of black cantors from a synagogue in the nineteen twenty s interesting. I've seen that yeah. It was great. We saw that that from penny an teens post on facebook. That's correct where she is. Obviously not in jail and whose works we have hanging here. Oh yes beautiful works. That would undergo photography on facebook. No of her fabulous porn shoots right that And we have a whole series of beautiful interracial porn. She's done such beautiful work as Have sorry of. Interracial porn is not a politically correct term. But i'm not sure what to black white. Okay so speaking of which. I saw good movie. I mentioned it quite a chinese. You're going to prison. That's what's happening now. Is we talk and facebook jail or like real jail about two million of us are in there. Well actually we did. Talk about larry flint. Who took a bullet for interracial porn back in. Was it nine thousand. Nine hundred eighty and the guy from around the guy for marrow's didn't take a bullet but they ruined him for a beautiful covered at. He did who. Censorship republished rene years ago and so we saw good movie. A documentary about fred hampton the charismatic black panther party leader Judas and the black messiah also. Did you know fred. Hampton was the founder of the rainbow coalition. I thought it was jesse jackson. But it was really fred hampton and of course he was assassinated by the fbi in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and martin sheen gives a great horrible performance as the leering racist. Despicable hypocritical j. Edgar hoover who also went after a lot of gay people even though he was very gay and i think the movie could have focused. More on the messiah unless on judas. You okay there max. Yeah you just spilled something anyway. Not much sex in this movie but a very nice beautiful erotic relationship between fred and deborah johnson. The panthers were to ama- sexual for me actually but they did have some great programs for helping poor people and i think it's a good movie. Pretty good speaking of ammo sexual is really obviously very in these days. Even though the nra's in all kinds of trouble but i know sexual colorado congresswoman laura bogert whom i call looney baretta brain Well i guess she's jealous of margarine the other ama- sexual congresswoman from georgia Marjorie taylor green getting all kinds of publicity. Well she did last week so this week. It's laura bieber and she apparently attended a congressional zoom meeting with a pile of guns behind her. So who's this crazy. i mean. hey. Jeffrey toobin got fired for zoom dick. But this pilot guns these sort of artificial dick substitutes are okay. You know i mean. I thought my bed was messy my bedside chats with dildos all around but congress woman lauren's lethal dick substitutes aka. A firearms are a mess. I mean check out that picture that they're not just back there behind her they're just thrown around. That's just it that's just it. That's how she winds the ammo sexual vote and by the way hours before the rape of the capital she tweeted. Today is seventeen seventy six. And what's her name again. Lauren bieber beaubourg beaubourg. Yeah b. o. e. b. e. rt. I call her looney baretta brain. But you know that's a little pinot they're gonna take your guns away. It's coming because the massacre in america today of thousands of people are dying a year. Yeah and it's it's sad for the people that are responsible gun odors as they say i mean i'm not against the second amendment. I'm not against the hunting. I eat a little beat. You know so you. Can i when you shoot these endangered species. Come on guys. Don't be shooting wolves okay. We talked about the wolf and our lupercalia show. Save the wolves but a little bit of hunting. If you're going to eat it for your own students okay but yeah they're gonna take away those guns to 'cause you guys are out of control. They just had a big shooting where it a gun store now. Does shooting down south in louisiana. The deal killing kids under front lawn. Who just playing because are difficult to control. What i'm i. I love guns. I don't own any guns and a never owned any guns but It's not the guns. There's something wrong with people will. Then we should take their guns away because there's something wrong with them. They're not responsible. Obviously i mean. Yeah you know. The swiss for instance. They seem to be capable of handling their guns. But they don't have that many guns and they don't have these assault rifles. And they're not so angry with each other i guess. And then you got lauren. Bogert today is seventeen seventy six. This ain't my revolution. Here's a proud american now. What is wrong with our society speaking of censorship when a pile of guns is not censored. And i'm not saying it should be but it's not and all of social media would censor a pile of dildos. You know that is if they were penis shaped course if they're beautiful alien dildos made by bad dragon. That's okay. We love bad dragon but anyway beautiful genitalia is censored while guns are just fine and by the way of course lorne beaubourg shooters the restaurant which was implicated in a poison scandal. Or they had all this tainted meat or something really made a lot of people sick. So why are we here. Captain max. We're here the basic reason we're here is to live. But why are we here in this ammo sexual angry society. Because you've had the rush limbaugh host of the world the nazis of the world. You know the fake conservatives of the world and let's talk about that little item you mentioned. They're a little item. Yes a death in the american family. And that is what the dearly departed. Old uncle rush tried to slut. Shame me as a little item. He called me a small story. he called me. This was a few years before he met the grim reaper. Not mitch the bitch for the rich. The other one sort an ad in here we own had any ads. Spoke of decks with socialist capitalist have decks. I was actually speaking of death of death. Not that sorry but you can get the cards at our store. Okay okay the deck of cards deck of cards. This is the insurrection pack. Pack you're gonna love it. Right is russian. There is russ. He's in the deck. He's in the deck because of course he incited he said before this happened. There's gonna be a civil war in this country there's going to have to be secession. Walked back on that so to speak but yeah but he's been out there for years and years and years and look what you've done you got yourself some cancer and you created a cancer among republicans and young people and old people with lies and greed and just simple. I don't give a shit. Excuse me. I think it's kind of fitting that. The godfather of modern bigotry kicked the bucket at the not. So old age of seventy in the middle of black history month I thought it was so wrong to give him that. Medal of honor in black history. Month of twenty twenty but that goes around comes around. I know who gave it to him. We're getting to him. But i i wanna talk about me. Old uncle rush. You know that uncle you can't trust the pill man you know. But he's part of the family right. Yeah he's takes pills but he's part of the family. The five century old. All american family of genocidal conquest doors and proper settlers and native killers and slave owners and nature destroyers kkk supporters nazi sympathizers and imperialists and bomb droppers that side of the great american family. You know yeah. Rush was one of us from that side which is a side of the american family and he was definitely an american and he was funny old uncle rush in a mean way. Was that way of making fun of poor people polish right. He was born in poland rush. Yeah that's what i heard. He was of german ancestry and he was born in. actually. I missouri missouri. Yes where you're trying to make a joke. No he was from poland. he was born in poland. He wasn't really a citizen. Oh birther the birther rumor. Yeah he was he was into that. Sure yeah all call rush. He hoped that one thing is. We're on the air and you're not too soon are not too soon. I guess now not too soon. No sir no ma'am to this other comedian and he made a rush limbaugh kind of video also and he said that the video also other people that he made fun of briars hall years. They're going to be waiting for him at the gate. That's right. that is so right. Because he was the opposite of the old journalistic motto which is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable and rush was all about just loving the comfortable and the powerful the terrorist sucking up to anybody with power and then using his small gifts of comic timimoun trying to mock the week with that booming baritone. He did have a baritone as he did yet. A booming baritone storytelling voice that you couldn't help but hear blaring from your redneck neighbors pickup truck and actually he made a certain kind of sense to your redneck neighbor. But you know like so. Many old uncle russia's you put up with around the holidays old uncle rush was mean and he was wrong and he was evil and everything he said was mean and wrong and evil and if you kept listening him pretty soon you'd think me wrong and evil was actually nice and correct because he walked in the hallway normal because he walked in the hallways of your mind like any radio announcer or talk show host does like we do. It's the theater of the mind. That's what radio is and rush was a kind of master of it and i say that as a radio person who came to radio in the eighties but he used it to insult to for ill il to be mean to be wrong whether he knew he was wrong or not. I think it was both ways a lot and to be evil. You think that's funny do ya. No joke says that talking about the death various deaths but one particular death. He's never laughed so hard during a story about that about rush well i- jokes rest in piss. Right r i p. I was reading that a lot on twitter. I didn't make that people say rescue wrestle. I always like when people can find different. Love it. I love it. I hate rest in power and power lane. Because you're dead. You don't have no power. But what do you need to be powerful for your fucking dead but recipes. I get that. Hopefully you're apiece to do any of those crazy things you do. An inhaler hades or wherever you're mythology is from the neighboring. This is good. And probably they make you know pissed to see what he's been taken phil wise the piss test. It's really like a lot of dysfunctional. American families mean old uncle rush. He dominated the conversation to the detriment of almost everyone else. You ever have an uncle like that. Who hates who nobody else can talk. Because this uncle or cousin usually man sometimes woman i grant you okay but yeah so he dominated the conversation and now he's gone and now we're saying goodbye and some of us are saying good. Riddance ooh redden's humans junkies. Lend me your ears. Countryman i come to bury rush limbaugh not to praise him. So here's another claude of dirt for the grave rush limbaugh who. I nicknamed rash lint balls. Two years ago doesn't stone have his tattoo on his back. No that's richard. Nixon resigned exotic. Yeah the dick on dick nixon on his back but they're all related these assholes and you know they all do have various sexual issues. Well everybody does. Actually you don't have to be an asshole to have a sexual issue. But but rationalism balls yea viagra had to have a purpose and i believe it was to combat the oxycontin and oxycontin and as you say the pills pills pills that he was taking that probably rendered him a little impotent before his time maybe or maybe it was the way or the cigars i don't know but yeah the viagra doing what he was doing down in dominican republic which is cool. I i'm all for doing what you do. And take your viagra. Whatever but don't be. Judging of course he was a constant judge and now he's dead. And i don't usually like to speak ill of the dead unless the dead really make me ill and rash limp balls. Made me very very ill as you can imagine a case of rationalism pulse make you but listen over thirty years he made me ill and so i i feel like i just took a thumbs that feeling harper die and now feel good. Is that wrong. is that wrong. I ask it's not wrong. It's not wrong. It's like you know unbeknown you and i don't applaud killing any humans or other news or animals but i do celebrate the natural demise of dehumanizing sexist racist homophobic climate change denying. What's this guy's name ano- sexual what's his father of lawrenceburg. Who is this guy blowhard. Oh rush aka a rash limp rush. Limbaugh died oh the king of creeps. I remember in the eighties when he called feminists feminine. Nazis and. I thought that was so. Just awful and environmentalists tree hugging wackos. Of course now. It seems par for the course because he's infected us with name calling and he's also of course the sultan of slut shaming. Let's talk about that for a moment. Having infamously asked what does it say about the college co ed susan fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex. I'm trying to do the rush baritone. If you haven't figured that out what does that make her makes hers slut right. It makes her a prostitute. Well i rash. Her name is sandra fluke. Not susan. i'm susan the other one you slut shamed but we'll get to that in a minute. Second she was talking about the need for government subsidized reproductive health services. Okay and i admit that it's a little socialist. It's very bonobo and you only like corporate socialism. But that to mean. Old uncle rush made sandra fluke a prostitute and hey nothing wrong with being a prostitute though. Sex worker is the preferred term and nothing wrong with being a slut. Some of our greatest people environmentally safe. And we're slots are slots definitely on sex workers lug certainly not the worst people not the worst noble. The worst people are not sluts or no sex work though slots great. I myself ms slut. I am happily married for twenty eight years and actually right now we are sheltering in place and i am not getting within ten feet of anybody but i have in my time enjoyed many erotic activities with a variety of partners so yes i am a slut and i am not ashamed. I am also a slut. Because i would sell my feet if you want it to smell my feet. That's how i got into business on site then some of the money. Can i smell your feet. Welcome to california baby like to smell. My fee reminds you of when you were young. I said i'm homeless. I live in lincoln lincoln down in a police pound so my feet. I can't wash them. Every day is a dirty. I said yeah probably scibelli is is. That's great ooh anyway. Then i quit the business visit. Scratch radian scratched years high. So there's a lot of people here from where these people from o. Read from the town. It's called instagram. Oh instagram what state is that the colorado colorado colorado you're having problems up there in colorado colorado. That's where lauren beaubourg is from the one with the guns looney baretta brain one with this. I call her but she looked like she had beretta's coming out of her brain and rifles and little cute many guns that you put in your holster by your leg like a garter belt really cute they are. I gotta admit it's cute and it's really poisonous. Who yeah but Yeah yeah so. Anyways talked about being a slut. Lawrence seems a bit slutty and i. I actually liked that about her. I think she slut a fis herself in the service of the gun industry which is not just sad. It's dangerous but i gotta admit she's cute. She's hot i get the whole ammo sexual vanish. I get it. I get that guns are phallic and dangerous taboo and sexy but you know people. What if she wants to come on the show and then she got guns like if you're having her person no no no no no this. I had Who did i have with a gun merrick. Deville had a gun on that show. We did bedside chat. Gosh it was a bedside chat. Like i forget the number. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah the the the porn girl. She was great she was. She was very nice merrick deville and she reads socialist philosophers and she's a sex worker and a porn star. I guess porn performers problem. She does have a gun that she showed me. She had a cat and a gun. She has her pussy her dick. Yeah look like a hunting type of rifle. I'm like yeah really hadn't seventeen seventy six. She didn't look like an assault weapon. No no but she has some some serious Missiles she looked tired. And then the win the missiles In the middle she had that gun right between those hot hot hot merit deville. She's hot pursuit. Yeah yeah i. I appreciate her and yet she likes her gun so i don't love that and i would not let her in here. If she was going to come visit the speakeasy noblesville your hair dressers on instagram. Saying hey tell him about my hair over hair. I used to have a ponytail. I wake up at night sometimes now. It's a horse tail. I think i'm sleeping with a horse except it smells really good. Unlike unlike your feet used to smell back in italy hooker. I lived in the lincoln. What do you want to. Wow this you mark you know what you did such a good job on my hair that You know it's still holds up somehow even without a year of hairdressing so it's part of my slut image. I'm a slut and route but do not use my slut. Hurry to slut. Shame me or to support your sexist racist agenda because is exactly what rash limp balls tried to do to me. Cat calling me a quote little item in his creepy little newsletter. Trying to mock me and my fury of post trump sex disorder. As well as sufferers. He actually didn't mock the theory he totally got into the theory. He just thought it was evident are so weak their sexuality might be affected by their lover being deported or by being put down for being transgender or various things or by disagreeing divorces would happen over politics during a the trump era and so he put me down in his was the saleslady way. It was a guy far stein. More was very slobbering cackling sadistic kind of mouth piece. But he's certainly love talking about you and heavy breathing. He loved saying little item and small little idol little. He said his british accent. Yeah he's like sort of a new says russia's british says if nothing else if nothing else he says he has will get his creepy little newsletter for this liden. Get it for dad. 'cause it was around father's day in some year like i did i noticed i answered him then disappeared and as soon as i do. They took down that shicho. They called dysfunction junction was the name of their segment on me. This guy went back wherever he came from. An rush died not a good ending. Well i guess. I don't know how mark stein doing. Maybe he's going to have a big big career you know. Now he's going to be the one that picks up the mantle and owns the libs because that was what rush was really. I mean i think that was a primary effort of his which is why insulting was so important to own. Not because you're right not because you care even but just to make fun of someone to own and usually it would be the libs or poor people or or foreigners or you know racial groups. Americans was very yes yeah. The comedian that i was speaking about earlier is mostly talking about black. People will be there to beat them up and for russia was a kind of cuckolding. I think in that sense. Roger stone and paul manafort talk about that a lot. You know. you're a cock and rush was constantly doing that calling people. These names making us the butt of bad jokes. So i felt i had no choice but to rebut his good and yeah so good rush took down that whole slut shaming shit show but i kept it because i don't know i mean i'm not embarrassed to be slut shamed at all very funny in a way. Yeah so excited well. Yeah yeah and i felt you know. I've won that game. Maybe the bonobo way won that game and you know not just me but that huge limp. Dick compensating cancerous seager. Yeah baby you be careful about these phallic substitutes out there whether their guns or cigars and i understand. I like to put something in my mouth or hold something in my hands. Something with power. I like that. I get it already that you be careful. Now have a drink. Watch rush sucking on those cigars and it's like watching a sex act. I'm sorry it's like one of those sex acts. You wanna see so there. I was on twitter celebrating. Rush getting flushed when one of his trawling minions decides to slut shamed me. And here's what he says. His name's mike he says. In other words you are the hate filled bigot who was literally attacking a person who just died. How low of a whore are you. I really. I'm sorry i'm sorry. That's so good. And so. Mike i love how he literally spelled hor w h zero r e and also spelled you just with you and so i guess he was trying to trip the twitter bots stand because i try to trip butts too. I mean and. I don't know what i'm doing either so i'd away i can relate. We're all humans. Colin each other names. So mike you know i get it You know. I think it's more evidence of your own perversions. Anything about me but you go right ahead you know. I don't believe in any censorship so there's a guy so you just so you know that he would suck a neat anything you give him. He'd suck anything anything that you would give him. Well let's start suck on my borrow a dildo. I don't know what's his name. Does he have a name. You know. I think i could see it. Says the last part of it is first name last name. His napoli but a gap bully read the first evidence. Napoli and jane napoli. Mj napoli and j napoli tell us over pronouncing it right. Let us know we're talking to you. He says commie names. Call you names. Where is he he is. he is on instagram. Should we be mean wrong and evil like rash bags. Yeah he wants us to well. I don't know if we're going to be wrong. Napoli feel. I called him a bad pizza hut. Like i'm not gonna eat your sausage man. It's bad it's cheesy to yuck oh. Mj napoli no. You shouldn't be using the name. Mj 'cause everybody tries to diss on nj including hbo's now dissing on woody allen but they tried on mj. Everybody tries on nj so these guys his name is captain. Nop police captain okay. That's better captain. So he's just an on you. What is this me right. He wants to be humiliated. How dare you call yourself you slut. Worm crawl on the floor now. We love you. Italian looks all right. Are you from napoli. Oh you got pick revenue. He's got a suit on the mri. Let me see suit not going to say. You look like a monkey in your monkey suit. Because he's great. wanting why are you squinting. Why don't you take. You're not squinting you look like you could be a nice looking guy squinting. Yeah next picture. I want you to relax. Turn the lights down low to a nice romantic attractive glow. Because i know you're probably looking for love crawling along the floor like a worm so then enough after nine a real dominatrix you just said. I'll crawl gist said. I'll crawl on the floor. Thank you very much. Why is your hair clean. Might floor khalas. Actually chico already does that. He's always crawling around can. Why does your hairdresser laugh at that. Oh i have such a cute dog. Well it's not my dog. It's anna's dog. She understands cute now. Police said i am monkey for you. You're monkey monkeys. We like monkeys. I won't be squinting for people that make monkeys do tricks. Because i think it's animal cruelty but it's so cute. So now he says he won't be squinting for you. You're not a real monkey. So i can make you do tricks happily. What's an italian trick. What's the trick they do in. Naples like drive without any laws. I know they do that. Do a lot of thievery. i love naples. My whole family's from naples right right. That's why. I thought my family with thieves. Also what did they specialize in stealing. Whatever they could put the hands besides cost them a lot of july pizza business. You're still pizza. Still a meetable. Ace you make me do tricks. Okay stand on your head and send a picture does sand on your head and said the picture or call us do something. Give us something to do. We're the ones with the show. You should give us something bright and we actually would like to talk about other things than you bud. We're willing to. Can i do some tricks for you. And if it's concerning b- dsm tie yourself up. Yeah do that to the phone and what style. How about a trick. Like on your phone and giving us a okay. Let's give out the phone number phone number. This is quite a trick. You're going to use your phone that you're already on as a phone in no old sense. In the sense we used to use the phone back in the day. when rush limbaugh didn't even exist. Well he existed but he wasn't a big deal and so the phone number is six two six four six one five nine five zero that six two six four six one five nine five zero and this is a radio show an fashioned radio show and we don't mind you write in but it can only go so far right it's a private group and when you're on our land a private room it's like all these big tag even us little tech people. We have rules. If you don't have anything to say we don't wanna talk to you. Okay so if you have something to say or offer like if you have a trick that you'd like to do for us we would be very happy to have you do it. You picked the together wise. We're going to go back to our anti eulogy. Which i remember last year was an anti valentine when rush got that undeserved medal of honor. So now it's an anti eulogy and we're celebrating because death brings grief or relief sometimes both in this case for me. I think everyone at this bar just the latter. It's more a loss of of his brain. Because we're on the bonobo way and rush went the other way so we are relieved that he is the way 'cause he has been in the way since the greedy reagan bush eighty s. When this is important now class okay so everybody sit down and listen to this. This is what happened. This was a rollback of your government's. Power which i know. You don't want your government planting little sensors in uvira a vaccine or something but let me tell you the government just sensors you okay and you are already implanted by the government by a little device. That's called your thong but anyway in the nineteen eighties. The fcc repealed the fairness doctrine. Do you know what the fairness doctrine was it was a little doctrine that made media which was television and radio a little bit boring because it required radio and tv stations to provide free airtime for responses to controversial opinions. Either way. meaning that station's had to broadcast you know somebody from the left. If somebody from the right was going to hold forth and vice versa and that did make things a little tedious. Because you know there's a little bit of momentum that would be lost because you'd have to hear the other side of the story in those days so then they said well. We don't want that. We want to broadcast commentary without airing the opposing views. And i i thought all right well you know because i was young believed in freedom and didn't quite understand that this would free not my brothers and sisters in lovers centers of the left. No actually. that didn't free them at all. It freed what money could buy and it freed this ambitious missouri radio man who came from a very prominent conservative family with judges and lawyers. It freed this man who is very ambitious who got failing and failing in his early life and so was desperate to be a success to attract attention it freed him to plant the little seedlings of hate or i it freed him to spew them and then they would be implanted in to people's brains through that wonderful medium that i've love called the theater of the mind. And there they would flour into. Well a crueler america and yeah it came through that voice like caramel syrup delivering. A dose of cyanide. Rush was a trumper before there was trump actually even before there was fox news right when there was young trump. louis who was nothing but fame hungary philander is short fingered bulgarian some coverage but he was still suckling at the teat of daddy's money and rush was making it on his own because his daddy did not approve of radio which was all about. Dj's then you know. I don't know smoking dope. Dr ruth was just getting on their very beginning very beginning radio announced. So i gotta say that rash limbaugh was a pioneer and he kinda helped to create this toxic talk radio which is a whole genre and quite possibly without rash limp balls impotent yet toxic seed nurturing racism and sexism which though still rampant. Well i gotta say as a person that was alive in the nineteen eighties. It seemed as if they were kinda on their way out to ignorant me. Post modern america so without rash in a way rush. Okay without rush limbaugh. There might very well be. No president trump. I don't know trying to find me. Yeah we don't know and of course they both are americans and they both are of german extraction a lot of similarities and i used to think that trump t- dumpty might appreciate that at least as much as the lusted after yvonne. Well maybe not that much but You know you know. I just found out that lately you know when he was on hannity trump of course used most of the time to sue those lurches. They were all fake but the short amount of time he talked about rushie says yeah he. He didn't even know him he. Of course. He says he doesn't know a lot of people probably stole a lot of this material for him but he's claims he didn't know him and that he only agreed to meet with him when he heard that rush was quote with us at which point they became whip us buddies the say with us. I wish i had said whip us because that would be more interesting but maybe they did whip each other. I don't know who would have been a top or a bottom. Among those two. But they became best buddies rush ever the poet loyalist to the emperor trump the embodiment of his limb balls. Most fervent fascist fantasy. His greatest contribution to the world is that despite his various sexual escapades. Be king of creeps died child. Free so what are your memories of rash. Limb balls My memories of him. Well remember about the pills. I knew about all this hate stuff. Ooh yeah hey did you hear he. Also slut shamed and he slut shamed. Left-wing commentators still ball poor individuals who who had nothing but probably. I don't notice psychologist to be psychologist. Is the name of hit. Show your actually that my magazine at one time bryant called. Ub this where. I heard that all right was good. Name okay will you be the psychologists less okay. Wow yeah so if you were his psychologist what would you tell him. Tell who rush over. If i was like no actually no well. He's dead a you're too fat pills okay and you blathering. Really dangerous poison towards the end. He did lose way. that happens. Any actually looked better get cancer. You lose weight. Yeah i'm the only guy to gained you did you. Did you love eating other. People's sandwiches in the chemo room. Right you would sit there. They walk around with sandwiches and these other people getting chemo would be like no. I can't an nauseous. No you can eat that sandwich. Which what that was great. And it was terrible. They federal these Sliced meats with nitrates. And all that stuff you know and cheese. And i don't know how many was eight. How many of those did you eat naughty boy. I love me a good sandwich right. How 'bout cookies. In fact and hospital eight samiti is. They called me earl of sandwich. So you the prince of prague early of melnik and the earl of sandwich relatively new title wonder who the quote unquote real earl of sandwich is. He's the fake and you enter the i. There is an earl of sandwich. from long. Long ago he invented the same way. The days of robinhood the hunters speaking of the stock partnering with them bring hot soup now for ally sand which because that was the land that he presided over santa navia haven't drilled down that deeply into the etymology of sandwich. Yeah i did not do research on that subject. I'm pretty hungry now though so it. Does anybody want some cookies cookies. Ooh i want some cookies. Works cookies pussy cookies. Now i've got your interest from tastes point of view the other point after we're done with the show we're going to have another show. That is an old video. Show the boreham about pourim right. But it's going to class forum. Which is the jewish mardi gras right. That'd be very good. At the time. I mean actually falls at different times but right now it is kinda during the mardi gras time and it is this thursday night. If you're to live so right after this show we are going to play a two thousand eighteen poem bucknell frost with mistress. Tara and dad dominatrix is against donald trump on a bunch of hot porn stars and e core basically. Anyway it's going to be on right after this but but poor. I'm just so you know it is the feast of queen esther Who was queen esther. Well i could some her up as the ancient biblical heroin and teenage beauty contest winner. Whom rush limbaugh would probably call a slut. But she saved her people from genocide with nothing but but her weapons of mass seduction. So yeah so. We're going to play this. And this was around sc march of two thousand eighteen and so if fell on sex workers day as well as was during women's month so it was quite auspicious because poor m honors of woman and actually she is the only central female character in a jewish holiday story. And not only that but she is in my very perverse me. Drage a sex worker. Is he in the bible seriously. Look if look at your bible between mia and job. You will see. The book of esther and the young esther is brought before the persian king a hush vandross who is probably based on the historical king zirk seize by what i call her pimp cousin. Mordecai that's my name firm because he is a righteous man as the bible says who virtually pimps out his hot young cousin to a lecherous alcoholic and volatile king. This happens in the bible though. The payment is being in the white made until the end of the story. Esther well she goes back and forth. I mean she's in a situation she's kind of in a way. She's kind of trafficked. Although i i don't know how she's pretty young so it's hard to say if she could really consent but she loves her pimping cousin mordecai so she. She's determined to make it as the king's favourite and so she alternates between teasing and pleasing the king. It actually is an exercise a lesson in seduction to read the book of esther and esther herself may be based on a real persian jewish queen and. He's very fickle but she wins and very drunk but she wins his favor and she gets her reward. Win her potentate grants her request to spare her people. The jews from annihilation. That's the story and in a time when power was almost always gained through brute force and cold gold a time like it is now well. It was kind of a human miracle. And yes you could say. Esther stoops for peace right. It's very noble ask. It's essentially esther making peace through pleasure in a form of some high risk sex work any second. The bible keeps telling you he could be head her like the guards are like grab her. He says no you. I still another blow job. No no basically. That's the subtext. It doesn't say blow job in the bible. She is doing this sex work and the pleasure. Is this this fun. And this beauty that she provides for the king and creativity and the piece well. She brings about her people. Salvation and cleverly gets it from her. John you know. I don't even know if he's aware but he gives it to her and mordechai over that matter and then they do some bad things actually. But i'll get into that some other time. I want to get back to the pussy cookies. Right right because we humming tashin but only loser twersky jewish or german. People can say that. When i was in sunday school and learned about this got my poor spiel from the sunday school teacher. They said the humming. Tajuddin was hayman's hat and i love hats but i didn't buy it and then i looked at the freemen which is a triangular pastries filled with fruit. And it hit me like an epiphany. This is a pussy. This is a vulva. Pastry is the labia. And there's the volver and then inside is the fruit which is the vagina treaty inside the treat to get inside right so it's all their estimate. That is what it is and it is a holiday of the woman. Like i i said poor. Him is the jewish. It's the only holiday that the jews celebrate that focuses on a woman that is named after a woman the feast of queen esther and she is the heroine and some people try to say. Oh no no no. It's really more guys story. All right you know. He's the mastermind but she has to do everything she's the sex worker and she's the hero and she's a woman some say she's related to istar another goddess of the tamen area. I'm in tashin pussy cookies in a violent patriarchal world that more often. Bits contempt for that which is feminine and soft and sweet. The poor pussy. Cookies say they're all out love and sweetness and yummy yummy nece and respect for the womanly. Symbol this is also making me hungry. All right well. We're almost done with the show. We're good i'm getting hungry for right. You're gonna watch the end. I think is okay really usually don't taste that good. Honestly there are always very dry except for the part in the middle. Of course the part in the middle is that mixes work your way to the gotta get. I guess i grew up on delhi. Before i call them pussy cookies. You know they were very dry on the outside. You want to bite off the corners. Let's say look. I don't know like to drive pussy like lube that pussy. But i didn't think of it that way i was a kid. I graduated to homemade humming taj. Only maybe we'll make them whereas thursday we're going gonna play this show all week and it is great show. Can you put raspberries in anything you want. Raspberries are classic actually cherries apricots tart and rick. Sweet they always have a gel of sweetness around these things. Unless they're homemade prune is yes one of flavors and that's also good for you know. I don't think i've ever had prunes movie. I'm not even going to ask you. Is this hungry for food or sex Goodness so wow that was a does we go on. Go on well. I guess we're about to wind up so you can also visit dr blocks pleasure shop. 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The Madman of Marshall Street Gary M. Heidnik Pt. 2

Serial Killers

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The Madman of Marshall Street Gary M. Heidnik Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of this killer's crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault rape violence and torture that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children. Under thirteen. Gary hyde nick popped open the champagne and began pouring it out into five cups. He watched the women down their drinks although he hardly touched his own. He didn't really like drinking but he wanted to celebrate all the same. He believed to of his women josephina. Sandra might be pregnant after drinks. Gary grabbed the bag of chinese takeout and began setting the feast out onto the table. He enjoyed seeing the women gape at the food and disbelieve now. They'd seen how generous he could be when they deserved it. The women eight silently. Nobody was in the mood for conversation. The only noise they could hear. Besides the radio. Gary insisted on blasting was the rattle of the chains. That bound their ankles and wrists. It was a horrible sound. One that haunted their dreams a constant reminder of their captivity. It was a sound day could never escape. Hi i'm greg pulsing. This is serial killers a spotify original from podcast every episode. We dive into the minds and madness of serial killers. Today were continuing. The story of gary m high-tech. I'm here with my co host vanessa. Richardson hi everyone. You can find episodes of serial killers and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Last time we talked about how. Gary hyde nick showed signs of being dangerously unstable for more than two decades over time. He developed an obsession with fathering as many children as he could. And in nineteen eighty six. He devised a plan to turn his obsession into a reality today. We'll talk about how. Gary kidnapped several women and locked them in his basement dungeon tended to hold them captive to impregnate them but before long his cruel scheme turned deadly. We've got all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by hbo's q. Into the storm. A new six part documentary from director. Cullen hobart and executive producer adam mckay q. Into the storm charts a labyrinth journey to unmasked. The person behind in on the series follows a three year global investigation revealing how the anonymous character known as q uses information warfare to manipulate the internet politics and people's thinking q. Into the storm is now streaming on. Hbo max this episode is brought to you by fan duel sportsbook. Just watch college basketball. Get in the action and shoot shot with the fan. Duel sportsbook app. There's more ways to play the bracket all tournament. Long new users. Get your i bet. 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He had just completed the first of his sinister plot and everything had gone off without a hitch after convincing a twenty five year old sex worker josefina rivera to come back to his philadelphia home with him. Gary attacked her forced her into his basement and chained her to the wall. Josephina thought she was going to die. But gary had other plans once he was securely restrained. He moved to the center of the room. There was a spot there where he torn up the concrete floor and dug a pit out of the dirt below as josephina watched gary grabbed a shovel and begin scooping up dirt making the pit even larger. He talked to her as he dug explaining that he wanted to have kids. Lots of them. He told her he'd tried starting a family before but the state had intervened and removed the child from his custody. Gary was still fuming about the injustice. Even in her terror josephina could tell that. Gary was an intensely lonely man. He wanted children to fill the void telling josephina that the world owed him these babies so he intended to bring ten women down to his basement. Hold them captive and impregnate. Each one he told josephina will be one big happy family. He seemed thrilled by the idea of having a collection of human underlings to lord over a group of women and children who were totally dependent on him. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode as a note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research. This show thanks greg. Gary hyde mic displayed characteristics typical of abductors as he described his motivations to josephina psychologist and georgetown university professor doctor fatality. 'em mogadishu has compared predators like gary to political dictators in an article touching on the subject of his book the psychology of dictatorship mogadishu described how certain men seek total power over individuals. The same way. Dictators try to maintain power over countries. He the kidnapper is not satisfied with sexually attacking the victim. The kidnapper wants to be able to have complete control of the victim. The kidnapper wants to be able to manipulate the victim. Twenty four hours a day seven days a week. It is the sense of absolute control that the kidnapper desires. Gary was obsessed with this kind of power. His basement was his own personal domain and josephina was his first subject. She was stunned and terrified. She realized she'd fallen into the hands of a monster but she wasn't going to submit gary twisted desires without a fight as soon as gary went back upstairs. Josephina shuffled across the room. As far as her chains would allow. She made it to one of the windows along the wall and using a discarded pool cue. She found on the floor pushed it open then. She launched her body halfway out but the chain around her ankle held her tight. She couldn't go any further. She began to scream hoping someone might hear her. But in gary's high crime neighborhood nobody gave her cries a second thought of the only person who responded was gary he rushed down to drag her all the way back into the basement and began to beat her until she cried that she couldn't take anymore then he shoved her into the pit. It was barely big enough for josephina to fit inside to curl up with their neckband. Tenor legs folded against your chest. But gary didn't care about her comfort. He covered the whole with a piece of plywood and placed banks of dirt on top to weigh it down trapped underground josephina sobbed. Gary turned on the radio to drown out her cries. Then he went back upstairs. He was already making a plan to capture his next victim. Twenty-four-year-old sandra lindsay was an easy target. Because she already knew and trusted. Gary they met. While santa was at the elwyn institute a local nonprofit that serviced individuals with autism intellectual and developmental disabilities gary frequently hung around the institute to pick up women and bring them back home for sex. after meeting. gary. Sandra attended sessions at the church. He founded in nineteen seventy one. She then agreed to sleep with him several times. Although it's not clear she had the capacity to give actual gerry had even gotten her pregnant but she terminated the pregnancy on her own soon afterwards when he heard about the abortion gary offered one thousand dollars to let him impregnate her again but she declined so he decided that if he couldn't bribe her into bearing his children he'd force her to do it instead on november. Twenty ninth about two days after kidnapping fina. Gary found sandra running errands at a corner store near her house. He coerced her to come home with him. Once she was inside he dragged her into the basement where josephina was still trapped in the pit. He pulled josephina out and resumed digging the hole. He needed to make it large enough to fit the two women afterward. He raped them both his birthing harem as he caught. It was underway. But it wasn't long. Before gary scheme hit a snag. When sandra linzie didn't return home that night her family was worried. It began calling her friends asking about her whereabouts. One suggested that she might be with gary. So on the morning of november thirtieth sandra's sister and two of her cousins showed up at his house looking for her. Gary refused to answer. But he knew they'd be back unless he did something to allay their suspicions. Later that day he brought a pen and paper into the basement and dictated a message for sandra to right. She scrawled dear mom. Do not worry. I will call underneath. She signed her name and then addressed an envelope. Gary drove the letter all the way to new york city where he dropped it in the mailbox. You wanted sandra family to see the postmark and assume she'd run away. But when sandra's mother received the letter she didn't believe sandra had written of her own free will it wasn't like her to leave town on her own but according to can anglade author of seller of horror when she reported her daughter missing to the police there was little response. once the responding officer saw the letter. he figured. Sandra was safe and would return home when she was ready yet. Sandra's mother insisted that he look into gary. The first name meant nothing to the officer. If he had been able to see gary's criminal record it would have given him pause after all. Gary already kidnapped a woman with an intellectual disability. Just like sandra he'd even gone to prison for it. Unfortunately when the officer questions sandra's friend about gary the friend misspelled gerry's last name when the officer eventually type the name into the system there were no results so he gave the case less priority and made few follow up efforts to search for sandra. In the meantime. Gary took extra steps to avoid getting caught. He started soundproofing his basement to ensure that no one would hear his captives screams. He also beat both women relentlessly to discourage them from trying to run away weeks. went by. Gerry kept sandra and josephine shackled. Twenty four hours a day. He didn't let them bathe or comb their hair when nobody came to rescue the women they became defeated and gary grew confident by december. Twenty second nineteen eighty-six. He was ready for a new addition to his harem that monday afternoon. He cruised around the streets of philadelphia in his cadillac until he came upon a nineteen year. Old woman named lisa thomas. Lisa fit the profile of all gary's victims. She was a young black woman with a low income when she saw gary's fancy car she waved which caught his attention he pulled over and offered her a ride to wherever she was going impressed by the car. Lisa agreed as they drove. Gary flirted with her. He plied her with compliments and asked if she'd like to come to atlantic city with him when she replied that she had nothing to wear for such a trip. He drove her to sears. Handed her a fifty dollar bill and told her to buy whatever she wanted. Lisa one over after purchasing a few new outfits. She decided to go home with gary. They went back to his house and after he'd given her a glass of wine. She reportedly passed out due to the alcohol's a reaction with an allergy medication. She had previously taken as. She regained her senses. Gary brought her to his room and had sex with her but when she asked if he'd give her a ride to her friend's house gary snapped. He grabbed her by the throat and began to strangle her. She tried to fight him off but he wouldn't let her go instead. He snapped a pair of handcuffs on her wrists and brought her down to the basement downstairs. Gary pulled josefina and sandra out of the pit where he left them. He introduced lisa. As if welcoming a new guest then offered his prisoners a meal of peanut butter sandwiches but before they were allowed to eat. He raped his newest prisoner for lisa. The assault was a grim initiation into what would become a horrific daily routine and there was no end in sight coming up. Gary's torturous game turns deadly high listeners. It's vanessa from podcast. If you haven't had a chance to check out my series mythology you don't know what you're missing heroes. Gods monsters and mayhem this podcast. Has it all every tuesday. Take a deep dive back in time. Exploring the history origins and meaning behind the myths that have shaped the earth. Each episode of mythology dramatizes a story pulled from beliefs from around the world giving insight into how our ancestors saw the universe and how those stories resonate in our lives today. Recent episodes include the epic battle between hercules and theseus the grieving spirit known as lawyer donna and a treacherous journey to the land of the dead catch new episodes every tuesday and binge the classics anytime follow mythology free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcast. This episode is brought to you by q. Into the storm. Hbo presents q. Into the storm. A new six part from director. Cullen holbeck an executive producer. Adam mckay that a labyrinth journey to unmask the person behind cunanan spanning three years in the making traversing the globe. The series follows hogue acas. He investigates the movement. Fueled by conspiracy theories chronicling. Its evolution in real time as it's grown in scope and political significance unprecedented access to key players reveals. How the anonymous character known only as q use this information warfare to game the internet hijack politics and manipulate people's thinking the series explorers cunanan's on american culture examining connections between cunanan president trump and political ex military operatives weighing the consequences of unfettered free speech that permeates darkest corners of the internet q. Into the storm is now streaming on max now back to the story by the end of nineteen eighty six gary hynick was single-mindedly focused on one twisted goal kidnapping ten women and imprisoning them in his philadelphia basement so that he could force them to bear his children. He already managed to keep three young black women. Captive josefina rivera. Sandra lindsay and lisa thomas but he was eager to grow his harem around new year's day nineteen eighty-seven he went scouting again. He found twenty-three-year-old. Deborah johnson dudley and brought her home a little over two weeks later he met an eighteen year. Old sex worker named jaclyn askins. She went home with him expecting a typical job when she got there. He showed her some arcade games he collected and she started playing one of them while she was distracted. He put her in a headlock and dragged her to the basement. Jury was elated to now. Have four women under his control but he expressed his pleasure in increasingly depraved acts of cruelty. He beat the women with a shovel handle often. Sometimes he forced them to beat each other with it as well he didn't want the women to develop camaraderie and rise up against him so he tried to make them resent each other. He did this by playing favorites especially with josefina rivera because she was the most compliant she had worked out. That obedience meant survival. Gary also manipulated the women by picking one and only one to reward with special treats like is cream or chinese food. His tactics worked eventually. The women were too worn down to resist him but even when they cooperated it didn't stop gary from punishing them. It was a compulsion. He couldn't resist in a two thousand. Twelve study on sadism published in the international journal of offender therapy and comparative criminology. Researchers j healy patrick. Lucey a and eric beauregard conducted a study on sexual status. Those who are sexually aroused by violent or humiliating behavior. The authors noted that among all types of rapists identified by researchers sexual status might be one of the group's most likely to escalate their violence to homicide while not all sexual sadists have violent impulses that end in murder. Gerry's whole world seemed to revolve around degrading and torturing these women. It was clear that a deadly outcome was inevitable in february after more than two months of being held captive twenty-four-year-old senator lindsey became ill. She was vomiting and feverish. Perhaps gary was pleased because he bought her. Sickness might be a sign of pregnancy but his mood soured when sandra lost her appetite. Gary worry bet is baby wasn't getting enough to eat. He tried to force feed her some bread when she refused. He became enraged to teach her a lesson. Gary hooked one of her chains to a beam on the ceiling. She hung there for at least two days suspended by one wrist. Eventually it's possible that the weight of her own limp body squeeze the air out of her lungs and caused her to. When gary saw that sandra had died his reaction was cold calculating. He felt no remorse about torturing a woman to death. All he cared about was getting rid of the body so that he wouldn't get caught but he knew he had to be careful. Sandra's family had already shown up at his place looking for her despite his efforts to make it look like she'd run away to new york gary nil. He might be the first suspect. If sandra were found dead gary had one idea pow to solve the problem it was perhaps his most disturbing act yet. He used an electric saw to dismember. Sandra's body allegedly he then ground up. What body parts. He could and fed them to his to dogs. He set aside her skull and tossed it in a pot of boiling water other parts. He tried to incinerate in his oven as he rose to her body parts. The smell of burning flesh filled the house. The women downstairs gagged from the stench. The smell was even noticeable from outside. Gary's neighbors had ignored some of his questionable behavior before but when they caught wind of the stomach churning sent they called. The police and officers stopped by gary's to investigate around five pm on february tenth. When questioned about the peculiar smell. Gary said that he burned a roast. He seemed calm and loosehead. So the officer didn't see any reason to go inside and look around satisfied. He went on his way. But sandra's death and the police rattled gary. Suddenly he worried as scheme was unraveling and perhaps the women's sense that he was vulnerable. Deborah dudley the most rebellious of gary's captives help devise an attack plan. She told the others that she planned to hit gary over the head with an iron pipe they had found buried in the dirt under floor and she wanted the others to attack him while he was stunned. However the plan fell apart before deborah could strike apparently josephine confessed to gary wanting to earn his trust in hopes that it might buy her freedom when he found out gary doled out his most brutal punishment yet. He took screwdrivers and drove them into the women's ears piercing their ears drums. He reasoned that if they couldn't hear it would be harder for them to devise anymore schemes to overpower him. Only josephina was spared the more gary inflicted pain on his prisoners. The more he seemed to enjoy it as bad as the first few months of captivity were the worst was still to come. Gary continued to beat and raped the women daily. He also taunted them with threats that he would grind up pieces of sandra's body and mix it in with their food. Then in march of nineteen eighty-seven he came up with a new method of tar. Gary cut the end off on electric extension cord and stripped the protective coating. Leaving the wire bear he began administering shocks to the women whenever it suited him on wednesday march eighteenth. He decided they needed to be punished. More severely he ordered deborah lisa and jacqueline to sit in the underground pit and used a hose to fill it with water as the women sat shivering in the homemade pool. Gary prepared the extension cord. Either he or josephina under his instruction pressed the livewire to the metal chains that restrained the women. The electric current rammed through the metal and coursed through the prisoners moments. Later twenty-three-year-old deborah went silent and limp. The other women called out. You've killed her. Gary scoffed but when he peered into the pit he saw. Deborah slumped over. Her face was underwater. Gary pulled the women out and lay deborah's body across the floor after confirming. She was dead. He looked at the others and said. Aren't you glad it wasn't one of you. Gary made the most of deborah's death. He saw it as an opportunity to tighten his control over his captives. He grabbed a pen and paper until josephina to write out a confession letter. Admitting her role and deborah's he told her. If you ever go to the cops. I can use as that. You killed debbie. Gary made the other women sign the sheet as witnesses. With this letter he was satisfied. He could blackmail josephina ever he wanted. He was so certain now that she'd never defy him. He decided he could grant her a little more freedom. He removed josephine as chains gave her a clean shirt and a pair of jeans to wear and allowed her to go upstairs over the next few days. He gave josephina free reign of the house. He acted as if she were his girlfriend confiding in her ruminating on what he'd do if he were caught as far as he was concerned he and josefina were accomplices. Both responsible for deborah's death. He truly believed that she couldn't go to the police without implicating herself so he enlisted her. Help in getting rid of deborah's body. Gary wrapped the corpse in a blanket and carried it out to his car and told josephine to get in the passenger seat. She was afraid but she knew the more. Gary trusted her the better her chances of staying alive so she got in the car. Gary drove them about forty miles east into the forests of new jersey. He parked in a desolate spot in the middle of pine barrens. Josephina watched over the car. While gary dumped deborah's body among the trees then returned to the vehicle as they drove home. Gary began plotting. Again- first sandra and then deborah were gone. He'd wanted ten women to birth his children. Now he was down to just three. It was time to scout for more victims. The following morning. Gary sought out a sex worker. He'd hired in the past twenty. Four year old agnes adams. He paid her to perform oral sex on him the month before but apparently gary wasn't interested in kidnapping her at that point this time. He offered her thirty dollars for an appointment. Learning her to his home he brought her to his room to have sex but as she got ready to leave he grabbed her by the neck had cuffed her and dragged her to the basement in the aftermath of the attack he confident he could repopulate his bursting harem in no time. Meanwhile josephina kept a close eye on kerry ready to take advantage of his good mood the next day. She asked if she could visit her family by then she had convinced him that she had no interest in running away. She told him that if he allowed her to leave for a few hours she'd bring back a new woman for the basement. Gary agreed he still had her confession letter as insurance and he was so convinced that he had cowed and manipulated the women into submission. It didn't occur to him that one of them could be tricking him. So on the night of march twenty. Four th nineteen eighty-seven gary drp josephina off near her old neighborhood. Before he left he told her to meet him at a gas station parking lot at midnight. She promised him she would. Once she was out of gary site josephina race to the apartment of an old boyfriend. Vincent as soon as he opened the door josephina open her mouth and her story came spilling out. She told him everything. Hearing her tail of rape and twelve. Vincent was ready to grab a weapon and go looking for gary himself but josephine convinced him to call the police. They called nine one one from a payphone moments later. Two policemen came to meet them. Josephina repeated her story to the officers. She told them that three other women were still in captivity and that she was terrified. Gary would kill them if she didn't return. The officers stared at her in disbelief. The accusations seemed to grotesque to be true but when josephina showed them the marks on her arms and wrists scars left by the prolonged use of handcuffs and chains. They finally agreed to investigate. Josephina told the police where gary would be waiting to pick her up at midnight and the police agreed to check it out. When they arrived at the gas station. Gerry was sitting in his cadillac. The officers drew their guns approached. The car and asked gary to step outside. Gary raised his hands and exited the car. Despite the guns pointed at him he didn't seem worried. He asked them if they were coming to hassle him out support he owed his estranged wife. Betty then josephina stepped forward. According to one of the officers who arrived at the scene. She pointed to gary and cried. That's him he raped me and killed these two other girls. The officer placed gary under arrest and took him into custody. Meanwhile more officers arrived to take josefina statement while retelling your story. Josephina grew increasingly agitated. Asking if anyone was going back to the house for the other women she asked them again and again growing frantic. It was another four hours before police were finally given the command to search gary's house of horrors and despite josephina story. None of them were prepared for what they'd find coming up. Police discover the shocking truth at gary's house of horrors. This episode is brought to you by fan duel. Sportsbook march mania. 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During the great migration the families idyllic home becomes ground zero where malevolent forces next door and other worldly threatened to taunt ravage and destroy them. Sign out what makes the american dream. An american nightmare watch them on april nights only on prime video now back to the story in the early hours of march twenty-fifth nineteen eighty-seven forty three year old. Gary hyde neck was arrested by the philadelphia police on suspicion of rape and kidnapping. It wasn't long before the authorities learned. Just how depraved. Gerry's actions were around five. Am that morning. Police surrounded gary's home on north marshall street. They broke the front door down with a crowbar and stampeded into the house immediately. Census were assaulted. The smell of death hung in the air and the television and radio were blaring. The thermostat was also set to a blisteringly high temperature altogether. It made for a disorienting atmosphere as the police trampled through the kitchen. One of the officers spotted fragments of what could have been human bones in a roasting pan but a far more horrifying discovery awaited them in the basement. They came downstairs to find lisa. Thomas and jacqueline askins chained to the wall. The two women were fast asleep. They jerked awake at the officers. Surrounded them for a moment. They were too bewildered to understand that. They were being rescued when the realization hit they began crying in relief. Shouting were saved were saved. They pointed to the pit in the middle of the room covered in plywood and weighed down with sandbags. When police peered inside they found agnes. Atoms agnes was terrified but still fairly healthy. She'd only been trapped a couple of days. But the other two women looked shockingly malnourished their wrists and ankles were covered in sores and abrasions after freeing them with bolt cutters the authorities transported them to the hospital. There agonizing ordeal was finally over. But that couldn't change the fates of sandra lindsay and deborah dudley sandra's. Mother was devastated to learn that her suspicions were correct. All along she had pushed police to investigate gary but they had essentially dropped the matter. Her mother told reporters they could have saved them. All the authorities were certainly paying attention. Now after finding sandra lindsay's remains they went to work looking for more bodies. They couldn't discount the possibility that gary had been killing for years over the next few days. They thoroughly searched gary's apartment. North marshall street bringing in backhoes and sand sifters to excavate us yard. They conducted a similar search of the house on cedar avenue where gary had lived before as authorities poured over gary's life with a fine tooth comb. Gary himself remained locked up in philadelphia detention center without bail. He was attacked by another prisoner shortly after he was detained so for his own safety. He was transferred to the psychiatric unit of the penitentiary. Apparently these precautions couldn't protect gary from himself a little over a week after his arrest. He tried to hang himself in the bathroom using his shirt. Guards rescued him before. It was too late. Which meant gary was alive to stand trial for capital murder but lawyers had to contend with another major obstacle the question of gary's mental fitness a few days after a suicide attempt gary higher defense lawyer charles peruta junior. The lawyer wasted no time laying the groundwork for an insanity defense for his client. He even started describing gary as insane to the press. Gary's demeanor added to this image reporters noticed and commented on his distinctive. Way of dressing in court appearances gary often styled himself in the same outfit again and again a dirty buckskin jogging with fringe at an old hawaiian shirt. During these appearances he often appeared vacant. He even drooled on occasion though. This was perhaps because he'd been prescribed large doses of thorazine a medication used to treat psychotic disorders while in custody. Prosecutors could only hope that gary's odd behavior wouldn't sway a jury. If gary were declared insane he would likely spend the rest of his life in a psychiatric hospital but that wasn't good enough for the district attorney's office. They wanted the death penalty. Gary's notoriety was also a challenge for the trial. The grisly details of his crime dominated the airwaves for days. Predictably the media seized upon the shocking details of gary's horrific acts his eccentric behaviour his secret stock market riches and the disturbing racial implications of a white man who are vulnerable black women captive. Taking all this in gary's defense attorney argued that it would be impossible to select an impartial. Jury he said that the sensationalized media coverage had already prejudice the public against his client so as the trial date drew near the judge in the case approved the defense's request to select an out of town jury. They chose a pool from pittsburgh to be transported to philadelphia for trial in june of nineteen eighty eight. The trial began charles peru. Junior made no attempt to deny that. Gary had tortured and killed his captives but he argued that gary couldn't be held responsible for these murders and he called on several psychiatrists to testify to that effect. They discussed gary's long history of schizophrenia and mental illness and testified that gary was suffering from delusions that made it impossible for him to control his actions. The prosecution relying on their own mental health. Experts agreed that. Gary was undeniably mentally ill. However they posited that he didn't meet the legal definition of insanity because he knew that what he done was wrong otherwise he wouldn't have gone to such great lengths to cover up his crimes. For example he made calculated. Efforts to soundproof is basement so that nobody could hear his prisoners. He attempted to throw police. Off by sending sandra lindsay's letters from new york and he made sure to hide the bodies of his victims to avoid detection. Whatever delusions gary experienced. His actions demonstrated he was fully aware that he was breaking. The law testimony dragged on for nearly two weeks but at the beginning of july nineteen eighty-eight. The jury returned verdict. They found gary guilty of first degree murder kidnapping and rape after everything. The victims and their families had been through. They were relieved but surprised to see justice prevail as since it required a caucasian jury to sentence a caucasian man to death. Gary didn't want to appeal his conviction but he made another suicide attempt in january nineteen eighty nine around three a m one morning. Death-row guards discovered him unconscious. In a cell he'd been holding his prescribed thorazine tranquilizers and he used them to overdose. This suicide attempt left him in a coma for two days and he was placed under constant suicide watch after he regained consciousness. Guard supervised him around the clock and checked his mouth to make sure he his pills but gary was determined to die so we filed a petition to speed up his execution pennsylvania. Death penalty cases are subject to automatic appeals meaning. The process can often drag on for years. But gary wasn't interested in delaying the inevitable. He wanted to be executed as soon as possible. According to criminal justice expert meredith martin rowntree approximately ten percent of those executed in the united states are prisoners who sought or at some point declined to contest their own execution commonly called volunteers. These prisoners succeed in hastening execution by waving their right to full judicial review of their conviction and sentence in the two thousand eighteen book. Living on death row the psychology of waiting to die rowntree cited various reasons. Motivating these prisoners. Some may seek to die out of a need for autonomy and desire to control their destiny. This theory makes sense for someone like jerry who was so often driven by the need to be in control. But in this case gary's fate was out of his hands. The court rejected his request to speed up his execution. After gary's petition was denied his case took eight years to proceed through the court system but as automatic appeals. Were finally exhausted. His execution was scheduled for april nineteen ninety-seven however as this date approached. There was another delay from an unlikely source. Gary's nineteen year old daughter maxine. Maxine had never met her father because she was removed from his custody as an infant. Still thought of letting him die without a fight didn't sit right with her. She argued that. Gary was incompetent enough to be executed and filed a lawsuit on his behalf. Requesting a last minute reprieve after two more years of legal battles. The pennsylvania supreme court unanimously upheld. Gary sentence fifty five year old. Gary hynick died by lethal injection on july. Sixth nineteen ninety nine dollars. Death more than twenty years ago was the last execution carried out by the commonwealth of pennsylvania. The death penalty may be a rarity there but gary hynick was a rare breed of criminal. Pennsylvania governor. Tom ridge felt that the ultimate punishment was the only suitable outcome for gary. The governor remarked. He suffered far less than the women. He tortured and killed. It would be nice to think that gary's death finally helped alleviate the pain he caused indeed after the execution. Deborah dudley sister caroline johnson expressed hope for closure but for the survivors of gary's house of horrors. Nothing can erase the agony and terror. They endured in that basement in two thousand fourteen more than twenty five years after her ordeal josefina rivera spoke of the pain. She carries with her to this day. She said you don't ever totally get over an experience like mine. You just have to learn to live with it. Thanks again for tuning into serial killers. We'll be back soon with a new episode. For more information on gary hynick the many sources we used we found seller of horror the story of gary hyde neck by ken anglade extremely helpful to our research. You can find more episodes of serial killers. And all other spotify originals. 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Judas and the Black Messiah - Movie Trailer Reviews

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Judas and the Black Messiah - Movie Trailer Reviews

"What as your host chris roe and brennan and we're here to talk about judas and the black messiah should be julius and the and the black messiah. So here's he wanted your matic reading going ahead of course is just like a judas though. Can we talk about that talk about other things like can you just talk about. I'm sorry but we haven't eaten kief show up told them he wanted to be part of your organization. You gotta like you're right though right. You've got automatically. You gotta think that right. Yes it put him. I'd like for castano given road. Don't me wrong. But it's like shifty. I write from now on right. You know you. You can't be trusted. let you can't invited nicotine any kind of cookout note. No party and nothing. Like follow him somewhere where he's supposed to be your entry entree because he elite you at the door. Yeah yeah you don't trust. And which security. He goes still white off snow like. I'm sorry there's nothing about this nigga in this film that's redeem no. I like the fact that they didn't try. I mean i was slightly concerned. When they said they were going to talk about or at hampton that they were either gonna have to cut corners and do some hollywood type things at the wrong parts of the story or if they were going to go full urban legend and do the you know make somebody look muddy but try to to to redeem it some kind of way. I like the fact that he's a snitch. Hall last night. He was trashed when we meet him in the movie. And he's trashed. All the way through the end could shot. Queen and debt took collected the money off queen slim whichever chronic home news about him. The whole movie is about dead new orleans negative collected. Yeah and really is. Do that fills origin story. You at the end from the pbs special. And it's like now one redeeming quality. Sir i'm okay. How they know. I know that Will neal committed suicide raft for that. But i was like and right right right right. He double down on the like nigga die. Trash may struggle overly took a stand read. Look i am. I am i am not all snatches get stitches. Type deal for suffer. Visit might know the definition of a real snitch nigga if he lived in twenty sixteen trump supporter push show. They bring out the boiling water debt. And keith. a fucking oscar nominee. Lick guess. Deo kolui is in this film playing a very fluffy freight hampton and he is good at it and i feel like he watched ray hampton speech videos to kind of get the lingo in the vernacular down and just its own like kudos to him but this is not a free hampton fill. This film is about detonated. A rat it is about kief and he plays this shit from beginning to end as diabolical of shit and he is convincingly so that i will never. I don't even want to interview him about this film because i'm based on his real life experiences as a snitch because he the snitch a real life this negrini exit spades. Miscount domino's like i'm not trusting this nigger with nothing. No is the mold. Check your bag twice when this nigga bringing food out because you know h. o. Fries drink your drink this. It's you mrs mashed potatoes on the side. You might be missing the burger from your burger car driver. You getting the picture your food. And he say thank nigga. He never showed up and showed his deliver. He's he it's the goggin is like. Oh you say nigga in your way to on you play racism way too well in your movies Are you sure you're not that we in her life. Is that kind of thing you know. It's just like the unicorn. Oh because it makes goggin grounds him as a real person and not a diabolical villainous racist. Yeah but i. I mean i mean i just kinda gone really wrong. Even with the right casting might look either. Could've played it too far into the margins so he hit the edge he he ran right at the edge the way he needs with like you know being uncomfortable looking like he might have caught religion. And then you know you come into the realization. Now he he is really just trash for. This is l. from fucking Death note on playing the same character. He just a snitch. Eating fucking random skittles. It's like it is the right place for that character and that energy. I'm not going to disagree with that. Because again i feel like i'm legit. I feel like this man needs to be put up really needs to be really need to have the strong backing nomination for best actor in this film. Did this film everybody wanted. Everybody gonna put this naked chokehold. Get you on that. But no i don't think i don't think he's gonna become to that. I think you know. I mean that's clear i mean he. No he definitely should get the support. I feel like they did a great job. But i also feel like because this isn't a fred. Hampton film about lakeith keeps character. What do i know about chicago. And i thought they handled that really well and you and i could i gotta i gotta push back on that one. I think when you say that it's not a for him to film. Let's go off in the film. It is like my f- it absolutely is. It is absolutely afraid hampton and chicago held on it. But it's no it is but his told told from from from a bill was a bill o'neal's point of view but it absolutely is fred hampton in chicago and by panther film. It absolutely is stuff in there like you added a bunch of qualifiers on the internet. And i'm telling ya without without qualification. This is the fred hampton film. i can't i. Can't i can't follow you down now in. I am helping. I'm helping day. You collusion this. Because it's already made at u k. America black american. I'm to entertaining that. I cannot think of another person who could have embodied what we needed for this story. They retaliate who i don't. Who would have done as well and bidders believable to me. i don't care. I don't feel like we have cats. I'm not saying there isn't somebody. I'm not saying there isn't somebody. I'm saying i'm happy with the do they gave me riots ivory henry could. It did this. I'm not saying and that's not the undercut daniel wrong. He says the visibly looks the wrong age. Regalia kolui does not look like for hampton at all. So i didn't want to say he looked like fred hampton. Say the bryant. Henry doesn't even look like he's anywhere. Close to the age fred. hampton would have been at this point in his life. Daniel twenty one. I'm just saying we have one and bring to. I don't i i. I didn't say that there weren't other people who could do it. I said i'm happy and satisfied with the person that they gave me. I liked the way that they worked in and introduced fred in this. I like the fact that we got a more expansive in a more grounded. Look at who he was and what his role was and how he developing how he moved to chicago and they blew out and gave us a look at what was happening in chicago and gave us an idea and they managed to do without a single damn bit of trauma porn and pandering. So this is a fred hampton story but a lot of people only know fred hampton to folklore. And that's not what this movie was. So yeah it's not from. We didn't get this movie. From the perspective of fred hampton because quite frankly can't everything that we know about him it's from someone who standing to the left or to the right him because he's dead because they murdered him but we got a lot more about what was going on in his relationship and who the woman in his life was where she came from and how that stuff happened and it's actually informed by that woman cuss. A son is involved in the movie. We actually got a real grounding. Of what fred hampton was about who he was and what it in the movie and what. His relationship was to bill. This movie feels like it's about bill so much because he was a perfect perfectly positioned him in the story that was being told. And i'm not taking anything away from leaky. But i don't think we had to go too far outside leuke defined bill. That's just to me. That's perfect casting award winning casting. If you just playing so you got any city level with a he played it because that's the perfect row for him. When i'm looking at this film as not afraid hampton film it's more glimpse into who fred hampton was is because the film wasn't really centered around what actually was going on your freight hamptons head when he was doing things we did. See him come to the realization of why he felt this way about certain things and expressed it to that degree. Will we got to see. Was the person if people remember from those speeches and go on about like. Yeah okay. i'll give you that movie. It's about the portrayal of fred hampton. Give you that. I get leuke character. And i don't even say that nickname even relationship between the keeps character. Infrared hampton in my opinion is my opinion was not that will develop because they spent so much time focusing on jesse clemens character and lakeith character development. And then they would bring the key back to be a rat nigga in the clubhouse like i'm just watching this shit and i'm going dave caluzzi is killing is for a hampton negus. Who did not want him to be a hampton because he not black america is like like them niggers is wrong. Every fucking data ends in y. But i'm saying it's not a free hindi film so these naked can go ahead. Stop bitching complain about it. Because dan kalou is playing a glimpse version. In my opinion afraid hampton at the height right before he because this film don't even span over a significant enough amount of time like it's a short period of time in the hamptons life that we're looking at right here coming in only for what a either i know. Now that you've expanded on what you meant by that i can. I can be okay with that. But saying this isn't a fred hampton's movie doesn't sit right with and i think i'll hang on here either one that's gonna be there's gonna it make something totally different when you say for a handwriting from we were going to say okay the in like i think that that buries them the leader. What is definitely goes into a lot of the key. Parts of fred hampton in the panthers and so when you say it's not afraid hampton film people are gonna say oh they don't cover a lot of that stuff but they do so that's why you gotta be careful when you say that like i hear we're getting saying what you mean by that but that's not how that's going to be taken if you just don't say let me explain on though me but brain you gotta by proving the point to pick clear what i'm saying like the headline so if you say that up front that's all the attention right. People go here. But like they mentioned character. Day mitch and other important characters. Names like daily. G mention bobby. Seale's death in this. And i'm i'm i'm just being honest. I'm thinking when i'm going to watch this fill. I'm going to see these other black panthers in his film and what i realized was oh the reason. On the poster for this leakey's the biggest face on she and free and and look day gloomiest literally behind him in the background is because it's about him being a fucking snitch title. I mean the phones understudy. Ns that's what i'm saying but i think okay. Okay i got you. But i think this might be the best way to talk about fred. Hampton and co intel pro and the fbi and all the things that they were doing and they didn't hold people's hands they didn't like they didn't go be a sledgehammer and go and this is how you know the man was real. They just let it be out there. They like the phone fellow. We all have the freedom of information stuff. We can go look at it if you haven't watched martin luther. Mlk be fbi. Please go watch that. Because he's like. I don't know if you watch him back to back. That might be a bit much but But like i really. I really liked. That's why i was like no. I can't it's a free hint. It's a hit fray framingham film. And i was very reject you know i just like rebuked what you said but i understand what about it. I'm not disagreeing. With none of the reasons i'm just i'm i'm walking at back after hearing everything that you were saying. I get what you're talking about. But i think this is a perfect way to tell the story and quite frankly. I think this is the way that we should be doing a lot. More of these kinds of movies and stories. It's like debut. They they gave us this man's life they gave us this period. In time that is the penultimate thing that people know and remember we got to watch how and why it was important if white supremacy was going to maintain its in its structure if there was going to be a continuance of class different if no one was going to pick up the mantle of mlk's poverty campaign. Fred hampton was the guy that they picked so you get like that was martin sheen right. It was definitely margin. That is a waste. Yes so martin sheen playing excellently a despicable head of the fbi. 'cause i don't say that dude's name and and they blew it out and gave it to you that way and then you get jesse's character. I need jesse to do something. Warm fuzzy for me mcqueen because mike himself keep going to be hated. Black t. we detroit would. What do calm down. But even when he was in. I'm thinking about thinking of ending things. There's just that ginger. I want i want him. I want him to find a happy place to make a movie from it. But he's really good at that slightly sweaty white dude. He been black mirror dog to be on but he did a solid fantastic job. If this movie people weren't talking about this movie is one of the most solid ensembles of the year along with on side. One nine miami. It's racism if people aren't talking about the way that daniel clue was able to sit in the background and even though somebody else was talking before he ever got up at you looked to him because his whole body language is like oregon has gone on. But that ain't my business. 'cause he's got that face and he had that same energy and you can see it in the pictures of fred hampton and he reels you in and pulled you in and again took a story. That's about an from another person's perspective and made you want more you know. Please don't do this movie. Which day to the movie that could have led to a don shirley documentary that we're never going to get now. Please don't do that to this movie. but other reason why i like please don't say this isn't afraid had to move because i don't want to hear him conversations again but but you're right they senator this story on the snitch and i think the reason why and that was the best decision they made because it let them tell us everything else that we need to know about the time period without them having to show us anything gratuitous like where they have to linger. We all know at one point in time for it went to jail. They don't drag that out into copious amounts of trauma porn to style scenes to let us know about the subjugation. They give us chicago what they give the ramifications of him not being present in the day to day and i thought that was brilliantly done all say the because again i just want to make sure people were careful because when we say sent her the snitch. I think that's also gonna trigger some people going. Oh wait a minute. They senator the senate but it's n- at no point unlike other films i've done because this is why this is why i was very like kind of hold up when we say that and also him to because 'cause we've seen those kind of films where they don't do that they don't you think it's one thing and it is not an end in it. It misses the mark. This film doesn't some art because while they they sent her you know A bill o.'neil at no point does he is. He made to look good right at no point. Did they glorify they make. It seem like he's not a snitch and he's not like a terrible human being while the same time. Also you know. Really pudding. Fred hampton and the panthers and all those all the black activists in a really good light like it is done away normally not done in hollywood because tibia. I done the other way and so it like what we're seeing these things. Could we've said these things before but these kinda films he will go. Oh both definitely want to eat now. That's what i'm telling me. He was like no no no. It's not what you think is not is not done done the right way in such that. Yeah no point. Do you feel like you said when you see the actual footage in the film with the actual. You can't really spoil this film. Infant with the actual footage from the pbs special with bill. O.'neil and they come up with the things. He's lied to commit suicide after that. You're just like good riddance prize to like. I mean like you said before and run right. Yeah and but this one is an and i'll say the hands of because you mentioned too. That did something very similar. But mr mar completely was right. The choi do the same thing when you had the guy who was also like this niche and things like that and they made it he he actually worked with them to make the film and they made. It seem like he was a hero. Like so we've seen we've seen this kind of film done poorly in wrong before. The buck messiahs. Not that is not bad at all. It's stuff that they did that again. I also out really do agreed. At least put up that they'd be putting no white people white men for lesser and given the fact the destruction on. How well it's done. How well the kief anti-nuclear act together in the film. They both need to be put but little things they did with keeps character. Continue to make you hate him. As this is as he as he grows into the villainous negro he is throughout this. And i think my god. Yes my favorite thing that they did with him is actually without egg while them having this show you him going on a fucking shopping spree. You know they every time he shows up to a meeting with jesse clemens. It's character this nigga got awesome flashy like from studio fifty four or whatever that she was called like like he just came from doing cocaine or white girl taxes. Guess what he looks like in the more he snatches throughout the film the more plush his style like at one point this nigga legit showed up to the restaurant looking like a fucking pill and show you the progression of him going from a nigga lying about being a cop trying to steal cars to literally getting paid to be fucking. Streets niche put black panthers during a movement where he is actually. They're looking at the positive stuff they doing. But letting this white mania convince him which is the law he would lead you to believe letting this white man convince him they are actually. You know the kkk adjacent to the k. k. k. And but i loved how they did that and they kind of just let it sit and let it resonate because They did that on multiple levels. Like you know like people like to act like black folks are crazy about how we have like. You need to check who you have a yo circle because you don't ever know who's snitch on you. And then just like the slow reveals the moments between where they had him like re explaining and indoctrinating him to think differently because he knew he got somebody who wasn't down or involved didn't care about nobody by himself but the other moments when he has to interact with other people will just say that and you get that out there. What people knew. That's the difference here. You have black people behind the camera and they were like now. You need to cast a black person that person. It wouldn't have been a white dude. He couldn't enroll a white dude. You couldn't enrolled up there and did that. It has to be a black dude. And then they would juxtaposed against the scene where they would switch and we'd hear fbi agents talking and we get the wives and the wherefores in the house. So i also like that. I didn't. I didn't mean to jump in but i wanted to say forgot. I would say they do. This is a film that allows the character detail. His story from the point a our was caught between a rock and a hard place right and this was the only come up as safa myself and once the cops get you in as an informed or the eight or or the fbi the alphabet soup niggers. Whatever gets you in as an informing you know. They is basically slavery and they never let you go. And that's what they say on the service innisfail but if you actually watching his fucking character and watching this movie none of this sheet is true. Disney could have disappeared into the win and they would have never looked for him again. The prowler where he was giving what. And here's the easiest way possible by snitching on a neg- he didn't really care about al-qaeda where he saying them documentaries later on. I'll kill where he talked about. Twenty years later thirty years later. Whatever he's fucking lying every day. Not only was this nigga snitching but he was balling out with the snitch money. Oh you never wait a minute what you mean. He said late. In the documentary he never wavered. No i'm not saying. Didn't i'm just saying if ever tried to if he ever tried to will two sides to every story that she wants. I was a nigger legit trying to say black people and give us a come up into the other one was you gotta read later. Who only cared about one colored green. But that's that but that's what worked with this though because what happens is when you when you play him saying that at his own words at the end of this film will get campbell this while the film right at the end of the film you he says because i i now need to go back and watch that. What was it Was the name of the documentary. Oh god is on brass. Tiso and now i wanna see what they say. That is correct. He was basically like well the the interview. Ask them wou. How would your son. Because the same question was asked at the beginning to fill in the film over how would your. How would your son feel about your role in this right. And so what he said. What what what. Actual bill agreed bill. O.'neil says bill o.'neil says is he goes well. I believe that you know what would the documentaries for herself. You'll see that by putting it into the film. Yudin watched him through the entire film so when he says oh well yeah you know it it it. It speaks for itself. You're like yeah nigga yourself lucky you a perfect way of putting that in there in lake rosset. I think because made the film other filipino. Done that. that's what works for this. In why they they had they had access right. You know irritated. Give them victimhood. And and that's what he when they'd be like really ought grew. But you haven't at every day you make a decision. Every day he went. He made it decision. He saw them trying to kill black people. He saw them killing black people. He knew them asking him to set them up to do shit. They weren't coming up with organically on my own even when he was scared. That like i think the best article keeps acting is the fact that even in the moments where he scared as shit. He's scared to get their money to write. That check was that that envelope was never bad oil. Water on your cock issue you know. Why do you say cock my point born in. What are you fucking in an oc. He's still going to get that money to because this thing. This is what i feel like. This is how i feel like if you wanna talk about of them. Felt like. I didn't have any other choice. I found myself in this situation. They didn't drag him fulfil they let him drag himself so they gave a three sixty perspective on him so you saw where he started from and that he was trashy went about nine he was off la then you saw him get real den and at no point in time do they ever pretend like he didn't have any options. And that's what. I really liked about the aspect of showing the bigger impact of what this particular person was because it kind of speaks to a lot of people who found themselves in this situation like he didn't have to agree to do anything he could have just accepted the consequences for his criminal behavior. You could have been said by the door as wael. Leaky was empty was he was infiltrating a system that was trying to infiltrate though he could have been a double agent. But that's the other thing at any point in time. He could have gone to fred and told him what was up double agent. He could have done that but he bore h he could've just unilaterally lied or he could have not made it into the inner circle he didn't have to step up to become the head of security. Like i mean like a a. I don't feel like we're spoiling the movie. Because this is based in fact and it's based in truth and these are things that are known about these people the way they show it to you. The movie gives you a completely different perspective. And they have. I mean this movie has it has energy and it it has tension and it has all the things that we need in stories telling talking about black lives and this will doesn't follow on the protests it talks about it praises the the the excellence. And that's another thing but the juxtapose talks about the work like the roller hoops. It was like it was big against niggers like everybody was saying. Oh and it was about the worked to bring people together in the us. We have bleeped black people constantly be talking about. We need to our communities need to focus our communities to stay within our own. One of my favorite scenes is when these motherfuckers go rally up. So paul ask why people they treat you too and then he went and got to the people who didn't chicago too. But that's what i love about all it is. That's why i love all of it. And i can't wait for people to see it's also why said i feel like it needs to be. They need to talk about this movie. Everybody needs to be talked about and and honored and acknowledged because there's one scene in the car after they go to meet the people who i can't remember the crown who were yeah they go to meet crown and like slow getting into the car and smooth turn to him and say so. What about the energy coming coming out of that same. Yeah and i just feel like everybody was dimensional as black woman watching this movie. It would have been very easy for them to make their characters that had to do with women paper-thin because even though they're focusing on a very tight period of time and there's headlines they didn't want to make those women real they could have sideline them you know. They could have decided. They wanted to focus on different aspects. What was going on. But they didn't like they gave depth and they gave gravitas. Everything was real so not only. Do they talk about the work. They talked about the time. The only other time that i felt like we really got a real look at the city. That people lived in was in lovecraft country. Ironically enough it was still chicago. Which is one of the reasons why i think people need to start paying attention about why white people are so dedicated to denigrating chicago and catch a damn clue already. But if this doesn't do it for you will at is don't for for me is it's kind of like i don't even feel we need the giving people to We really can't spoil this like we don't even need to because there's nothing one like at like we reiterated a bunch of can't vote us but the reason you go into see this is not to get some infamous not to get a story that you probably don't know already is to watch. These people acted out is to watch it for being a film it. There will be plenty of people. Who don't know anything about fred hampton. It's sad to say but there are plenty of people who don't know a damn thing about fred hampton. That's cool but they'll learn something from watching but they're gonna get so much just from watching it. Just because it is an amazing soundtrack. The way it's shot is well casting even smarter. Even saunders playing taking a small character when he has been on doing his own thing on the grind from wu tang saga shit cents on moonlight late. They have actors in here who are like prestigious at this point to me and should beginning all the work in black films fills where they try to cast black characters to take a role here and they played aside characters with strength. And you sit and watch this movie and for two hours. This should be hitting on a whole ass black. No bro dishes. A fried fish. Best as fucking film it you will watch and you will feel every bit of it not because of just the stuff that's been happening in the last couple of years but just kind of looking at the way we are fear into tactics that people have employed to come after. It's like i'll watch this in the same week that i wash that. Crack documentary on netflix. So i got to put those things together. Not only did they feel like they needed to shoot niggers in a fucking sleep but they also felt like they needed to flood black areas. Where crack just to try to take black people daily. That's how much of a threat we are. And that's how strong we are as a people to be able to survive those things. We survived from slavery who survived the jim. Crow survived through to civil rights. We survived crack air. We survived to fuck it. Like just the alphabet game coming after us we survive through all of these elements and we still fucking here. So you looking at this film and it's just like tactics people. Thank you for felt like they had to let people couldn't compete. You would need to do like if the whole point if the true. If the truth of the matter was black people were inferior and couldn't complete and couldn't do. If you got out they way you would need things like segregation. And i want more movies like judas in the black messiah because it makes it very clear and it didn't have to do it by integrating you're disparaging a single white person. It didn't have to do it by Proselytizing around a single movement and it didn't have to do it by Trying to make a black person mythic told the truth it gave perspective it gave us angles and looks at people in a world in a time. That was real and it remembered to keep it real like when we didn't know something they change the subject and they took somewhere else and us something from another point of view. Because that's what happened and like but like the simple fact is. That's why i said if you watch this movie a you walk away from here and you don't start suddenly getting some of the points where you always out here talking about respectability. Politics is bs from trump. The back the you never knew what it meant when the people who are saying it was saying it and why they were saying and what they meant by it. If you don't catch a clue that poverty is a problem and it's a problem that you can unite more than just you around and what we need is power and that there are different ways to get it and he never was once talking about burning. Anything doubt whole scene dedicated to not doing that. We know what's going to happen if as a black community if you do that someone. This happened to us before. And i'm glad he put the again. That's how you know black. He was behind the camera because white people have a way of painting. This picture of us as we don't know with them is going. Do you know they might. They might blow us up. And it's like nikki. If you have a conversation with realize a high second day we the ones worried about people blowing people up you. Are we worried about. Yeah you ought to win out here you figure out what you can do fertilizing you backyard. We wanna grow vegetables. But but that's the thing that's why i there's nothing judas in the black. It's not perfect. But you know i think at that point. You really nitpicking I think they put a solid narrative together from beginning. And i think it looked good. I thought the sound was great. I liked the score i am. I am impressed with the casting. All even when martin sheen playing at trash ass damn man are marci was agnew's off under all of their church than winston churchill. Makeup that i was i at first i was like marchines in is and then i heard the voice and i was like oh yeah areas but yeah i i mean. I think shock did a great job. I thought it moved. Well i thought it built tension. There were some places where i wish they had lingered and giving us more but time constraints. I mean this is. This is shock in kugler. Rather this still blacks o. Rien ryan ryan produce ease of the know how to tell black stories and this is what happens when you let people tell black stories who actually care about the black stories. They telling but i don't care if they made a billion dollars and got all studio like i don't care right. I don't care if you not telling the stories that don't represent us well did. Don't tell the stories that white directors and white produces white screenplay writers ain't telling him because they range shit like cutthroat fucking city like. I'm tired of seeing. I'm tired of looking at stuff and being able to clearly tell it. There was no black hand involved in that or that you decided that you wanted to cater to white sensibilities and a white audience. I think that you can be of any race or ethnicity or any socio economic background and constitutes and black messiah not only enjoy the movie but become invested in the story. He grounded black people like we need more films that grab black but they also didn't feel like they needed to make a movie for white people to be comfortable. They didn't agree. Didn't and i think that matters when you and that's one of the reasons why we can't get out of stories that are rooted in slavery or only talk about the into reconstruction and into jim crow. Because you can very easily center a white person in that narrative and talk about how we need to reunite the union. Yeah i did it. I keep watching it feel good because they don't own slave right now. 'cause they they can't right but when you start talking about a time period where it's not like someone had to go re color and remastered the pictures to put them in color. You start talking about people who have names that are still in the lexicon you start talking about somebody like fred. Hampton who quite frankly is a folk hero especially in his city. And then you start showing why that is. You didn't the conversation if it gets much more difficult to start talking about everything like you need to center. The protests when the protests is not the point and neither is peace and it gets much more difficult to start talking like a microaggressions and you know aggressive tactics to try to keep people in their place aren't real when you ground black people and let them speak and you ground white people and let them show you who they are and that. I don't think i've seen it. I've seen it done well. I don't think i've seen it. In a way. That me riled up in his hyped as judas in the black messiah and not just because dan you got away with a speech but as awesome because the stuff that you was talking about with the keefe. I always causing this man i was like. Why don't you just go to jail. Why you call him lunch. Just run and like and i remember the pbs special. I remember it again to see how he died and was again once renew satisfied with how his desk came about and didn't feel a liquor remorse about a happy about it. This is one of my favorites and we'll see how go black cast on his would you. Would you give it a ten nine and a half. I'm pretty much. There is nothing. I would change about this film honestly sameera i still want like i. Wanna bobby seale film away. Frank hampton. i want films about these people but that doesn't take away anything from this film right. Loida is totally. This is a phenomenal fucking film. And we've gotten a lot of phenomenal black films. Like last four mile. I got to say is a lot of movies. Need to be real happy. That the studio was dumb and didn't give us this before. Some of the big boys had to vote. That's my question is my last question on this. I wouldn't have counted for this year. Right is become for next year. Because i thought that this a buddhist sundance sundance always go to the next thought. Those we open for the academy award for twenty twenty one which we voted on in two thousand twenty two. I didn't think this would count for operationally. They intended to push this as a twenty twenty films eligibility right because it came out it was to come out in november but then it got pushed to two now and so i. I don't think it debuted anytime until sundance. So i don't think it. Yeah i don't think accounts for for two twenty twenty right. No it doesn't and they and twenty twenty films need to be real happy. No yeah i was wondering about that. I didn't know how they were doing it this year. Because everything's everything's messed up so But no i i agree. I think that this is The happy oh he had actually happy they were stupid but actually you should they be happy because then there's still one nine miami so it's like no no. I'm happy because i think movies that might have gotten drowned out by this particularly when talking about ensembles are gonna continue to be able to make noise come award season but the reality of the situation is they pushed one night in miami out so it's being considered as a twenty twenty film. This is officially at twenty twenty one film so they are no longer in the same awards grouping are. They know they're not. That's why i'm calling this a wait. Didn't they. extend the period february for eligibility of shit. I didn't know. I'm trying to figure out the rules myself. I'm okay so i think for the big for the big dogs. This may still be considered a may they if they did expended extend the period through release dates february. Then yeah a lot of movies are about to be real sad because judaism. The black miss is the change the conversation. I don't think it's going knock one night in miami out of the conversation. But i think it's going to change the conversation mamie against other films not against for us i think for us. It doesn't knock one ninety miami the film but i think when you have a film that shot this way this type of violence in it as white people involved with the fbi cia and a bunch of conspiracy undercover stuff Black people trying to do some but at the end it ended away. Does i see the academy going right for this. And i'm not mad at them for going for this one. I'm just looking at their past habits of what they end up going for. I don't disagree. This movie was made in the style. That is very comfortable for them to award versus. They are having difficulty with the The the stage play coming to screen for some reason. Like i think i think when miami is a phenomenal film and like regina king deserve probably direct absolutely deserved the director nam for that but also because this film is so it within like within the vein of like black klansman. The officers are going to eat up up. Okay that not me saying it's not me saying black klansman's a good film because i don't like that so no i told you i like it because it's a costume drama. That's not set in the antebellum days talking about something that's actually relevant and based in history. I get that. And i and i appreciate all of that and i don't disagree i just i feel to a certain extent that The depth of conversation that we can have a round judas in the black messiah the only other really kind of movies that we can have that kind of depth. The conversation around our moreni and one nine miami and quite frankly sylvia's love so we got a four square this year that i'm very happy with when it comes to the three six year. What lack life on film looks like. But i still think judas. The black messiah is going to gain traction and some of these performances are gonna get recognized acknowledged and if they don't i might be willing to like burn shit. My biden might might let niggers wash this for free given away going at this point trying to ride the black struggle wave. I don't think that. I think that the gop would do everything and they power to keep moving from being a free for everybody. But i don't think anybody should miss this movie. I know we're being flippin silly. But i don't think anybody should dismiss mrs movie. I don't care where you come from a life. Don't miss this movie. just don't do it. You'd be mad. I'm waiting for these nigga topics to pop up about how they can't do this. This film and this is not accurate. And this this. And look. I'm not i'm not. I'm not i don't care about anybody's hot takes care. They've already told you that it was a blend of the folklore in the fact they told you point. I don't care these leagues. I want to see a real black panther fan. Will we storm capital. We just sit there that we never did that shit. So you ain't gonna get back graduation. We know dying anyway. I'm john. I'm trying to re trying to figure these fucking rules for the academy awards are i think. They're confusing it enough. That even even our critics association originally we follow. We follow the academy rules this year. And i'm like what are the rules in list of. I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. I think if they had given it to me in time i would have been allowed to vote for it. What i'm thinking is this is. The film will be made available in the secure academy screening room members within sixty days of the film streaming or video on demand release. So i feel like in the academy. Awards are in february. Saw feel like this comes out. I think it's gonna be. It's gotta be too late because the kademi award the february right. So i feel like it's gonna be too late for most people feel. It's gotta be because it but by the time that i i don't know i think it's gonna be too late. I'm just kind of googling like variety. Say and they're talking about twenty twenty one oscar predictions and eight. They got colludes name all throughout this article now. This article came out in october. Twenty nine twenty twenty granted. But i don't think with dem extending stuff in the pandemic feel like this film might be included. It's it's supposed to be included. And that's but i just. I was talking about like there were a lot of associations and guilds that have already voted. They just didn't give access to this. Movie is what i meant. When i said some of the some of the talk and the hype that was around other films i think that conversation would have been a lot different and a lot of different critic groups if they had been given access just in the black messiah. A lot of grills didn't get it right. He just released one which films are turned into received the most oscar nominations and judas in here like it. It's very confusing at this point. I don't i'd pay just as a wash all right folks when it comes out in virtually february On if you're max lashing never mind wait. No no no no. It says it will honor the best films released between january first twenty twenty and february twenty eighth twenty twenty one. There you go all right. Not academy awards Wikipedia page so is film counts the academy ornette until april. Okay counts okay. Well shit well bus week. So we'll see. There should be a lot of sweeping for blackpool this year. But you know be so anyway. That's why i'm just say we'll see because people are going nomad land and all this other. I can see i see. I see where they're going to land but not like this but you but you know how the i know. I need a real homeless people like it's like the wire fraud wire. He's from multiple multiple eight. It which is why. It's so great. Davis and all of his brain is flowers. All right anyway. Phone ridiculous subscribe Nutro views We've got plenty more to review. Because i got a bunch of movies got gotta catch up before Again because twenty. Twenty one so weird. There's a bunch of movie to watch in ketchup to in be between now in kademi awards so stay tuned. We've seen a lot and we just haven't we just haven't talked about him so Yeah say tuned so who back until next time. We're out of here these. Are you guys go. I thank you for pushing it back. I appreciate you right row. Yeah i'm up all night chris. I didn't forget okay not heat. I only i only said it because when looking academy award film i saw another round with listed for somebody say the. I still haven't rewritten thing on matt. I'm not kidding. They i like i like i woke up i woke up to a defrosted. Freezer let me just put it that way about my power. I got you sorry but i'm up all night. I'm up all night working night folks night.

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Review: Judas and the Black Messiah Tells a Tragic, Real-Life Story of Revolution and Betrayal

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Review: Judas and the Black Messiah Tells a Tragic, Real-Life Story of Revolution and Betrayal

"Judas and the black messiah tells tragic real life story of revolution and betrayal by stephanie's accurate to tell the story at the heart of shock kings bracing and mournful picture judas in black messiah. You have to begin at the end on december fourth nineteen sixty nine illinois black panther leader. Fred hampton was killed along with another young panther activist. Mike clark in a predawn raid by chicago. Police law enforcement claimed that they faced a rain of gunfire as they approached the apartment. Where hampton clark and several other black panther party members were staying but subsequent investigation concluded that the police had fired roughly one hundred times and that nearly all of the shells and bullets recovered in the shootings. Aftermath had come from police. Weapons hampton was twenty one years old when he died shot in his sleep. There was evidence to that. The fbi had been tracking hampton ruthlessly. And that's the angle king explores here in judas in the black messiah daniel color. Julia plays hampton the charismatic chairman of the illinois. chapter of the black panther. Party la keith. Stanfield is william. O'neil a party. Member on the head of hampton security detail as. Well as an fbi informant judas. In the black messiah is a somewhat fictionalized version of fact the story of two men who were supposedly devoted to the same 'cause one that arose in response to the country's entrenched racism and who's urgency was intensified by the despair that followed the assassination of martin luther king junior but it's also a story about one man's betrayal of another a breach of loyalty that would destroy the lives of both men roughly twenty years apart. The story of their dual fates has a shakespearean ring to it and king leans into that sonorous cadences if the movie leaves you with justified rage at what happened to hampton. It also teases out complex feelings about what can happen to a man when he sells his soul for illusory riches corpses represent only one kind of death. The death of ideals can be just as sorrowful when we first meet him. Stanfield o.'neil is a wily car thief whose mo involves disguising himself as an fbi agent so he can drive off with the goods. The idea sounds preposterous. But it actually works until it doesn't o.'neil gets caught and the real fbi agent. Who interrogates him. Roy mitchell jesse. Plemmons is so impressed by his guns. Oh ingenuity that. He offers a deal instead of going to jail. O.'neil can work through his sentence by infiltrating the chicago black panther party. O'neill finds himself drawn to the party's goals and ideals. Even as he's dazzled by the prospect of living the high life represented by. Trappings like good cigars and find scotch that mitchell dangles before him as o'neill burrows deeper into his elicit work he also draws closer to hampton a figure whose rising and the party speeches are eloquent and galvanizing and he's easily earned. The loyalty of the group's members the panthers motivated to drastically change a system that had long kept them beaten down took their role as revolutionary seriously. They believed in arming themselves and they were willing to use violence if necessary king dramatizes some of that violence without necessarily condoning. It or romanticizing. It he also depicts instances of the police bathing and taunting members of the panthers and their community spoiling for a fight but if the panthers generally assumed an intimidating stance they also administered breakfast programs for kids and sought to improve education for young people as a means of empowerment. Hampton disavowed violence but judas and the black messiah puts more emphasis on his desire to improve the lives of the people in his community. He hopes to build the medical center. He brings together a multi-racial coalition that includes disenfranchise white people and local gang members who might otherwise be the panthers enemies and he falls in love with the young woman. Deborah johnson played by dominique fish. Back who not only sees poetry in him but also helps lighten his burden of self seriousness. Colo years portrayal of hampton has a capacious magnetism as if to capture not just the spirit of one man but also the potential that had already begun to bloom around him a future. He was ready to grow into this. Hampton is ever thoughtful given somewhat to brooding but mostly to action. He's cautious about his new friend and follower o.'neil but ends up being won over by him because stanfield plays him. O.'neil is a natural seducer smart seemingly sincere and just awkward enough to be endearing in one scene perched expertly between tents and funny several panthers momentarily suspect o'neill as a traitor challenge him to hot wire car as proof that he actually knows how to do it. He pulls it off but not without sweating and fumbling and this is where you see his true vulnerability. He's eager to pass any test of authenticity. The panthers may throw at him because he longs to truly be one of them even as he prepares to send the man he most respects down the river. If color julia is the backbone of judas and the black messiah stanfield. It's agonized soul. William o'neill wrote his own tragedy and stanfield breathes life into it here. A confused twisting spirit forever trapped in hell of its own making.

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Full Episode: Sunday, August 11, 2019

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21:00 min | 2 years ago

Full Episode: Sunday, August 11, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. The epstein suicide mystery deepens jail guards were supposed to check on on the accused sex trafficker every thirty minutes. Why didn't that happen. The night he died and what happens now for his accusers who are seeking justice the breaking news from tennessee cornered and captured the surveillance video showing that escaped inmate accused of killing a prison official. We're just learning about what led to his arrest arrest and tonight the exclusive interview with his daughter attempted terror attack new video of the police rushing in after a gunman attacks a mosque police lisa norway say the shooter may have been inspired by other mosque attacks neighborhood rocked the deadly blast shattering home first responders rushing to to the scene also tonight banou in the hunt for a mother of three who vanished nearly a month ago her mother now speaking out. It's been a very painful thing into my finger and electric car explosion. The tesla on partial autopilot turning into a fireball after plowing into a tow truck on on a busy highway sees this is a._b._c. news tonight good evening. Thanks for joining us on this sunday. I'm tom llamas and we begin with the growing mystery over the death of a q. sex trafficker jeffrey epstein who died by suicide tonight. We have learned that joe. Guards were supposed to check on him every thirty minutes <music> but that didn't happen the night he died. Epsteins body was carried away in the van. You see right here heading for the medical examiner's office the f._b._i. The department of justice have already launched investigations into a death what was supposed to be a high security jail and tonight those security lapses are fueling the outrage epsteins accusers who already fear they will not see justice a._b._c. Stephanie ramos outside that jail in lower manhattan tonight investigators are pouring over evidence surveillance footage to figure out the major breakdown that allow jeffrey epstein apparent suicide in his jail cell a._b._c. News has learned guards. Were supposed to check on the alleged sex trafficker. Every thirty minutes sources to say that protocol was not followed in the hours before he was discovered really is a an a an insane system on so many levels attorney bruce cat represents epsteins former cellmate who roomed with f. seen less than three weeks ago when he was found unresponsive with marks on his neck what the guards do and what they're supposed to do are almost always two different things so one has to wonder how it is that this man had just tried to take his own life by hanging himself a few weeks ago was in a position to successfully hang himself just six days after that first incident epstein was taken off suicide watch saturday every morning at six thirty nine. The multimillionaire was found hanging inside of his so there are just a lot of people that are yes angry and livid. Michelle licata oughta says epstein sexually assaulted her when she was just sixteen. She and other accusers are outraged. He will not face a criminal trial. I really wanted justice. I really wanted him to take up for what he did and to be put in jail or prison <hes> have to sit there and think about what it is he exactly exactly did to so many people tonight authorities or pledging to continue the investigation epstein's death comes less than twenty four hours after two thousand pages pages of new documents were made public your screaming on the inside and you don't know how to love it. Come out. All you do is obey. Virginia roberts goo phrase twenty fifteen defamation suit was unsealed against gasoline maxwell a longtime obscene associate in deposition testimony goof ray says that maxwell recruited her to be a teenage sex slave. We've to epstein give jeffrey what he wants. A lot of this training came from england herself. Maxwell has not been charged with any crimes. She has consistently sisterly denied the allegations tonight. Accusers are calling for those who enabled f seen to be held accountable. The people who really have to be concerned are the ones who worked with jeffrey epstein are the ones who may have helped facilitate what he was doing all right. Stephanie ramos joins us now live from outside that jail epstein took his life and stephanie on that last point. We just heard from dan. Prosecutors say there's active investigations in both new mexico where epstein had an estate and new york and new york. They've made it clear. They are looking into conspiracy surrounding those sex crimes. That's exactly right tom. Federal prosecutors here in new york are still investigating the alleged sex trafficking conspiracy spiracy asking more accusers to come forward so it's still possible that others may be charged separately. There are two federal investigations into epstein suicide and how this happened top stephanie ramos with that new reporting on the suicide investigation stephanie. Thank you now to the breaking news from tennessee. The escaped inmate suspected of killing alling a prison. Official is back behind bars tonight overnight a family alerting police to this surveillance video. That's the suspect you see him there rummaging near refrigerator outside their home police flooding the area taking him into custody without incident. Thousands of people arresting easier tonight including that inmates daughter an exclusive interview with a._b._c. news she. She says she was terrified. He was coming for her. Here's a._b._c.'s will reef tonight. A fugitive convicted kidnapper and accused murderer caught in tennessee after after a tense five-day manhunt ulcers from t. doc t. h._p. T._b._i. spotted watson coming out so we being filled watson surrendered without incident earlier this morning harvey and dan taylor spotting curtis ray watson on their doorbell camera wearing camouflage rummaging through their outdoor refrigerator frigerator the first sighting of him since his wednesday escape to sit him as apepared for if he tried to come inside and then we call now one watson still looking very much like his mugshot his appearance unchanged and tonight watson's daughter speaking exclusively to a._b._c. news this is we've been a childhood nightmare of mine that he was going to come out and 'cause i'm one daughter. He hasn't her in a house. Just always scared. He's gonna come come out. He's gonna finally hurt me. Watson had been serving a fifteen year term for kidnapping his. Then wife considered a minimum security prisoner. He was out on lawn mowing duty on wednesday morning at eight thirty he seen near the home of corrections administrator deborah johnson who lived on prison grounds it was there that officials say watson sexually assaulted altered and murdered her watson then making his getaway on a tractor not seen again until three thirty this morning at that home watson apparently not getting very far. You're the home in henning tennessee just ten miles from the prison. I can assure you that our office will be resolved to see that. He has put back where he can never escape began dan and harm anybody in our communities. We're looking at whether or not we might apply the death penalty or seek the death penalty in this case yester- okay we'll. We've joins us down. We'll state investigators. The gators have promised to reward of nearly sixty thousand dollars in this case and watson's daughter tells us she knows where that money should go. That's right tom. Harley scott believes at least some of that that reward money should go toward paying for the funeral costs for that prison employee deborah johnson. Tom will read for us tonight. Will thank you next the next that's sweeping keeping cracked down by ice officials in mississippi more than six hundred workers suspected of being undocumented immigrants taken into custody children coming home after one of their first days back at school school. Learning apparent was taken away. The operation also taking place as president trump was visiting el paso and dayton one administration official now saying the timing of the ice operation nation was unfortunate. Here's a._b._c. white house correspondent tara palmeri tonight the trump administration on defense after that mass immigration crackdown in mississippi the same day the president visited el paso a border community in mourning acting director of homeland security kevin mcelwain and saying the operation was already in motion. Tim the timing was unfortunate. Something like this has been planned for over a year. <hes> this is a criminal investigation with fourteen federal warrants issued by judge and ice had to follow through on that on wednesday ice agents stormed seven food processing plants in mississippi detaining six hundred eighty people tonight three hundred and seventy seven remained in custody court court documents allege the companies were quote willfully and unlawfully employing those who were not authorized to work in this country in most cases and they can pay them reduce wages just exploit them further for their bottom line. That's what this investigation was about. Many children including this young girl coming home from school to find their parents. Were arrested arrested me his nose. A._b._c.'s will car showing wean her tearful interview to machelandon early this week. What would you say to that little girl cat. Obviously the impact of enforcement of law can be devastating for families. What what i would say is that ice is going to case by case process twenty twenty presidential hopeful senator kamala harris saying the employers should be punished not the employees. This administration ration- has directed d._h._s. To to conduct these rates as part of what i believe is this administration's campaign of terror the acting head of customs simpson border protection pushing. I think words matter these aren't raids. These are targeted a law enforcement operations. Tara palmeri traveling with the president joins just live from new jersey near the president's bedminster golf club terror. The president defended this ice operation saint a quote very good deterrent tom before the president left the white house on friday. He said that raids like the one in mississippi serve as a warning to undocumented workers and other migrants considering coming to this country. He said they know they're not staying here here. Tom tara tara thank you we hit overseas now to an attack at a mosque investigated as an attempted act of terrorism it happened outside of oslo norway a new video showing police running into the mosque after a gunman shot and wounded one person investigators say the suspect expressed right wing and anti immigrant views online. I was inspired by another notorious mosque attack. Here's a._b._c.'s julia mcfarland tonight. Police are investigating the attack on norway mosque as an attempted terrorist attack as new details has emerged about the heroic bystanders who helped thwart a gunman when he opened fire at the al noor islamic center start gufire explaining how he grabbed grabbed the gunman throwing him so that the gun fell out of the suspects hand was wearing this <hes> brown leather belts with bullets nec's very group police describing the suspect as a white norwegian citizen around twenty years old he had expressed extreme right wing views and hostile latitudes towards immigrants authorities later visited his residence where they found his seventeen year old stepsister dead. He is suspected and not death. There were reports. What's the suspect praise the gunman who killed more than fifty people at two mosques in new zealand back in march tonight. Police annoy say that there is no doubt the swift and firmer sponsor people inside stopped the aggressor and prevented more casualties. Tom juliette. Thank you back here at home now to the hunt for a mother of three near sacramento hello good meena vanished nearly three weeks ago last seen driving away in her car. Please have now found that car and they are looking for clues tonight. We're hearing from her family and friends. Here's a._b._c.'s kelly heart tongue tonight a break in the case in the search for a married mother of three in california missing for nearly a month the her children miss her terribly and it's been a very very painful thing for my family. Every day. Police recovering thirty-three-year-old heather gelinas black vanity coop abandoned in el dorado county the same county where she lives and where she was last seen the vehicle now being forensically processed for evidence always loving her mom and always there and i i just miss her this the first break mystery that stumped investigators for weeks investigators say galina was released from the hospital july fifteenth after being treated for a broken collarbone the next day police say she left her home in her car and then vanished through her disappearance sending family friends and community members on on a desperate search through the vast area outside of sacramento but turning up nothing just imagine how distraught a mother could be looking for her missing being childish tonight. Police are being very tight lipped about this active investigation and whether or not they have any leads. Tom kelly thank you. Note of the neighborhood rocked by an explosion ocean on what was supposed to be a quiet sunday morning. The powerful blast destroyed a home in central wisconsin and killing one person inside a._b._c.'s more with the new details just coming in tonight the home that once stood here leveled emergency responders in wisconsin rushing to the scene a fire ambulance buses to come uh-huh how officials in the tone of lebanon saying dot explosion around eight forty five this morning killed a man they believe was asleep sleep inside the home ambulance and fire replaces tony highway incumbent nora for a house that exploded the blast so powerful witnesses say it shook shook the entire neighborhood and sent debris flying hundreds of feet from the scene and right now investigators are out there still trying to figure out what led to this deadly the explosion tom morrissey thank you now to the severe weather flash flood threat in the center of the country heading east to start the week heavy rain and flash flooding washing out roads in tucson arizona record rainfall swamping drivers in north little rock arkansas and a funnel cloud part of severe storms in washington state those storms stretching all the way to the east coast just by tuesday as the heat index soared into the triple digits across the south a._b._c. Rob marciano was in florida tonight live in orlando rob good evening good evening tom that front. That's been stalled for a couple days. You just finally on the move will break some of the heat here in the south but it's also triggering some severe storms across the upper midwest here. It is on the radar. We've got tornado watches that are posted for billings to rapid but city also eastern parts of colorado towards goodland kansas in western nebraska flash flood watches too so a lot of activity tonight in this clusters of thunderstorms will roll torched chicago by the rush hour in the evening tomorrow great severe weather threat will be central illinois and indiana and then during the day on tuesday. We get into eastern kentucky d._c. And much of the mid atlantic for potentially potentially damaging weather but the heat on for at least another day we've got heat advisories and warnings tulsa little rock memphis one ten one ten in dallas and this he continues. It looks like like through mid week. Tom one twelve and brownsville alright rob. Thank you and there was much more ahead of world news tonight this sunday the accident caught on camera two ambulances colliding on their way they will call witnesses did next plus the new development in erie mystery involving a dream home the latest on the chilling and anonymous letter writer known as the watcher and the family in a tesla crashing on a busy highway barely escaping the flames with the driver of that car saint tonight. Stay with us. Technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software you have in place whether you're looking to replace or just considering your options nations capterra is here to help you re thousands of real reviews on software options specific to your business needs at capterra dot com slash tonight with over eight hundred fifty thousand reviews of products from real software users. 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Just days after derek and maria brought us bought this westfield house in two thousand fourteen sinister letters began arriving in the mail the anonymous writer referring to themselves only as the watcher furious about plan renovations to the hundred year old colonial colonial threatening the family and their three children one reading. I watch and wait for the day. The young blood will be mine again. The messages putting the town on edge shocked of with your whole life. The people are alarmed to see something like this. After buying the six bedroom house for one point three million dollars dollars record show the family sold it for nine hundred thousand taking a four hundred thousand dollar loss are gio benitez spoke with their attorney two years ago. They want a sense sense of peace in their life. They can never see themselves living in this particular house. The town's police department investigated the letters tonight. The watchers identity is still unknown. No comment tonight from the homes new owners or the broad is family but we know they did warn prospective buyers about the letters and the watcher. Tom trevor thank you time now. For index tragic house fire in erie pennsylvania officials say at least five young children died in a massive blaze at a house uses a daycare facility. The victims were between the ages of eight months and seven years old. Reports of children trapped on the second floor. Electrical problem may have started that fire. An investigation is now underway and clashes clashes overseas between israeli police palestinians at a site that is holy to both muslims and jews on a day both face both fates observe as a holiday tens of thousands of muslim worshippers. I went to the alaska mosque for the first day of etowah. Israeli police allowed some jews inside because it's also a day of mourning their faith. The tensions led to these rights. You see here here. Fourteen people were reported injured and the tesla inferno on a busy highway moscow the driver saying he and his family are lucky to be alive. Look at that escaping. Those flames rushed just to the hospital when they're tesla model three plowed into a park tow truck at high speeds. He says he was in a driver. Assistance mode holding the steering wheel and didn't see the truck tesla tesla has not commented on the accident and the wild crash collins surveillance back here at home in new york city to ambulances rushing to the same call colliding the bronx knocking down a street sign good samaritan scrambling to pull both emergency crews to safety. All four technicians hospitalized tall are expected to recover finally tonight the act of simple kindness giving the rest of us a lift and when senior airman jibril jennings was driving near the interstate in oklahoma city. He noticed drivers starting to swerve avoiding something up the road. I started to go around onto <hes> and then i realized i as i got closer. I started to see her. There was no accident no street closure. It was seventy one year old janice hall littles a woman that was struggling to walk trying to carry groceries in one hundred degree heat so he stopped putting off his own plans to lend a helping hand would. Would you like a ride and she said she said thank you i would. I would love that a stranger seen this act of kindness capturing the moment on camera as jennings loaded the groceries into his car car then drove her two miles back to her home are the spout. What if my grandmother was on the side of the road. Neither of them knew they were being recorded. I really appreciate it and he's such a good man and you. Just don't find people like that every day but airman jennings says he would expect no less from this community. These are people that built oklahoma. They made oklahoma. What is it they gave us. These people in just those people being to help to the helping hand going viral seen online nearly four million times uh-huh and growing and when you look at the video you realize so many drivers that day kept going but jennings had to slow down. He says that's just how he lives his life offering free this advice. Don't let anyone be forgotten. Don't let anyone be ignored some good advice there so tonight we salute djibril jennings for being america strong. We thank you for watching. I'm thom allison your g._m. May first thing in the morning david muir is right back here tomorrow night have a great evening good night. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight.

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Episode 864: Daniel Kaluuya

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Episode 864: Daniel Kaluuya

"This is relevant. It's friday february twelfth. Two thousand twenty one and it's the relevant podcast here in orlando. I'm your host cameron strang and joining me from lovely virginia. just gary. Have you heard last week episodes the last two episodes. We missed jamie derek. So i'm happy to say finally. They're back from austin author. Podcast or jamie i be. Hey guys. I miss jaw. Miss you to and from nashville tennessee. Artist producer mogul derek minor. Black his back baby. I will be honest with you. Turn dobbs and andy mineo did not bring what derek minor brings to the or jamie. I listened to the show. And i felt like that moment where you're watching. All your friends have a party and you weren't invited and then you got disinvited listening and i was like i'm supposed to be at that party but i my invite got lost or something. I just feel very left out you guys but it was very show. Have you had experience getting disinvited from parties. I think i've ever been invited to something. And then disinvited magin what it might feel like when you're watching remember in high school. You could like see the party but you didn't really get to go in. I don't know. Maybe it's just me guys i was gonna say i gotta be honest. Feel like shoes with like that. Christmas carol like with the ghost where they're like looking in the past and the window at the in life is happy leaving her out. I would be the person in the party having a blast and i glanced out. This is what hide in the bushes. There i guess invited kids. No thank you get us. We're having so much fun we did. We really really did you. You guys had a little time. Now when you guys step away i i can say i honestly can say this is at home. O'brien this is just the reality you know. I went for a long stretch on the spot where i it was rare. If i if. I ever miss a week. I would even fun because you know even on you know what i would do this annual trip to the jersey shore with my in laws and i would always a show from the jersey. Shore is a little break from the vaca- is fun from a different setting. I always had trust me the you you can spend an hour at the jersey shore and somehow get about a seven days material just one hour so if you're spending a week there he's bringing a notebook and you can just. You could do an entire season of the show but when you guys step away for week you come back do you feel. Do you feel like you rip rare or feel like you're kind of a step out of rhythm. You got warn backup. It fell out of rhythm because this is like a every wednesday. It's on my calendar that we record. And so then all of a sudden. When i didn't have it i'm like oh what what should i do. I don't know asked to do with my life. I just watch. Cnn and guy brainwashed by the liberal. Left i did. I did that so i did. Yeah hey derek. I know you day trade yours. You're big on investments and stuff did you did you dabble with the game. Stop for the no. No no no no no no. That's how you go through a couple twenty bucks. Send their see. What happened gambling dog. I like that looks like games. I was one of days. Where if you weren't in a week or two before he ripped you just don't get in unless you're really really good like now. I know i know a couple of people that that did really well. But i'm just not that good. After i found out derek that you do this on. The side is fine. I talked to my husband. I was like i think i like. We should do this and he says you can't just do like if you don't know what you're doing so five percent of day traders lose money so dabble someone that makes millions. And so i thought maybe i could get in but it doesn't work that way. It's one of those things to the. The house always has a way of winning. You know e you know the the the key with a lotta that well. I'm not a day trader. i but i do. Have you know. I i think for me personally like i kind of look at it like you can either try to beat the house or you can play with the house and when you play with alice. It's like you know hedge funds. You know kind of broad investments but if you feel like yeah i if you feel like you have your four o. One even just like kind of 401k's and yeah mutual funds are great because you yeah you spread risk and You know and you can. There's a lot of different ways to to to make a return in addition to just kind of You know investing in specific companies. You know you can but it's like the day traders the successful ones. I always think those are the people that are the card sharks that are trying to take down the house at blackjack right there really good and they might have an edge but otherwise you might want to play with the house because otherwise they're gonna take your money. They're very good at getting people who are like dude. I think i can beat the system. I think i can do it. And then you're like okay. All i have to do is make the money back. I lost you know like the death spiral of like okay. I'm only down twelve hundred bucks. I'll make that back up. And then i'll be out and then you just get that bad spiral. It's it can be a dangerous game all the day traders. I know that are successful. Have mastered the ability to not be emotional their money. And that's hard because it's your money. Yeah so you work hard for it. So imagine working all you've worked and then you put money into something and it doesn't go back up for something in our mind tells us if we just keep holding on it's gonna keep going it's going to go back to what we want and s not the truth so all the detritus i know are able to stay up. Lost one hundred bucks. Whatever and then they cut it and then they move on and do it ten more time so as this. This like It's more quantity It's more of a quantity based the numbers kind of work out in their favor. But you know. I i've found for me where most of my money has come from buying long-term equities in companies that i believe in and then swing trading. So i hope something for two or three days and if it's not materializing after a couple of days and i'm out And shameless plug. This was all brought by my understanding of just says wearing black history month There was a stat found that says after the civil war Black people owned half of one percent of the wealth in the country. Kerr fast forward to today. A were thirteen percent of population. And we only on one point five percent of the wealth. And then when you look at equities like What people are invested in sixty percent of white people are invested into stocks. They said like twenty eight percent of black people are so there is a big wealth gap and a lot of it is systemic right. A lot of it. Is you know up until lately. We've been discriminated against to be able to own different things so as i looked. I'm like well now. A lot of that stuff has passed. We still had a lot more work to do with the system. But i wanted to encourage black people to start getting involved and finance right. And that's what kind of sent me on this journey. Because i'm like can literally take my platform and help people learn shift at number from one point five to one point six. I think i've been successful like that's the goal is just to get people Aware of the issue which is again huge systemic issue but then at the same time as we're fighting system i think we've done a great job of fighting system but then also at the same time we need to also understand how the financial world and how this america works so s- kinda really diving into that. We're having a conversation every friday on the we own now i g lives so This will come out on friday. We're having a conversation with the cray on the we own now a platform and you'll be able to tap in every friday and it's not somebody you're just what i give information of black people. I'm like well. There's not like a filter on instagram. Not gonna say only black people can join lecarr. Anyone can join a condo. You know please anyone you can join but yeah it's pretty cool. It was always on the last one that is so cool and it is a field of like like practical solution to look for new means of economic. Just this is something. I've kind of just found myself interested in. I got really into reading. Like stephen dubner. Who's an economist. He's best known. He does like the freakonomics series but mood. Brilliant guy but You know i was reading some of the you know. I got a a kind of a better understanding things like you be i. But even some of these economists to are trying to figure out practical solutions to help communities that are marginalized or feel like they're in cycles of poverty See the incentivisation of financial tools. That a lot of people have at their disposal so like you know. They these economists. This is really interesting for like kind of a weird sort of justice story because we don't really think of sort of like and economics of justice but they had these economists go into communities that were kind of stock in cycles of poverty in his several different across the nation. And you know they were a lot of them. Were racially diverse in You know values had different values but the one common thing was that a lot of these communities were stuck in essentially like cycles of poverty generation after generation lived in the same place and face the same challenges as their parents did and they found like okay. They did two things i found is what is what are the common denominator of the obstacle and they found that one of the common denominator obstacle dom denominators was like a lot of people within those communities for on banked. They didn't have a lot of them. Were reliant on my payday loans. Which basically is a predatory practice where you can lose short is legal and and then And so they knew that was the obstacles. Like how can we get. People banked right. How can we create incentives to make them kind of trust this institution and start to build long-term wealth but then they went into these communities and they asked him you know. What are if you were to say it. How would you most likely to become a millionaire. One day the most common response. I got back from a lot of these communities and this is a sad indictment on a lot of systemic issues. The most common answer. They thought it was that people said i am the only way i'm ever going to become a millionaire. I win the lottery and that was an answer. They got over and over again. So these economists took those two things and they came up with a concept called the no lose lottery and what they what they did is they encourage people to start investing. They're putting their paychecks in a bank account and those bank accounts obviously incur interest. Now if you tell someone who is depositing three hundred bucks rank account that in a month it'll be three hundred and three dollars. That's probably not enough incentive to kind of go through that process. But what they did is they they this big pool of people who they got to invest in the bank and they took all of the interest that they collectively earned and held a monthly lottery and one person who was putting their money into that bank would get all of the all of the combined interest and game a fide banking kerr's and it taught these new communities it equipped them with the tools it kind of met them where they're at and it really started this You know this this way of helping unbanned communities kinda get banked but do with a cool and senate and it's a really cool creative economic justice mechanism that i think it's cool. That more and more people are thinking about them so i will say when we think about justice. Oftentimes we only think about the most extreme issues right. So we think about the ku klux klan guy in the hood the skinhead etcetera etcetera. We think about that guy somehow preventing a black person from going to the bank We or that guy preventing someone from getting something that is an aspect of justice ri- or we think about slavery how but people pretty much built the country but didn't own any of it that they built and at this point The reason why one and seven white people are. Millionaires is because of equity. That's a statistical one a seven. Why people are millionaires. One fifty people are millionaires. That's how that's how statistically how it works and a lot of that is from stuff being equities and different things past dow right but we also don't think about justice in a sense of education right just the one of the biggest ways to prevent someone from thriving this period is just either. Don't as high the gyms from them. It's not necessarily say. And that's how the when you hide the gyms from people when you hide the truth from people about who they are or how to actually progress when you do that. That is how you keep a person locked down so reason. Someone says yeah. Payday loans are great. Idea is because that's literally the only access to money that they have right or they say banking. I'm never put my money in a bank. I'm hiding under a mattress was because you don't understand how banking works. So that's the. That's the reason why i wanted to bill. I've been building as there's a lot of things that people just. In general this is not even a black people. I mean i know some some porous southern white guys that could benefit from the we own now platform have been building so but the the beauty of what we're doing is people don't always understand marches. They don't understand black lives matter now. Understand the nuances of sociology. But everyone understands that when a person is broke and any need money and they need help. They need education. Everyone can dive in on. That and i wanted to meet everybody where they were at so for what. It's worth shameless plug yeah. It's awesome all right. Well we have a great show in store for you today. I don it'll be interesting to see What version of our conversation that you just heard Clark let you here because we talked for about forty five minutes probably heard of that. You've probably heard a chunk of that not all of that Well We h- later. We're joined by film star. Daniel columbia Star of get out black panther and the new film which releases today judas and the black messiah that film tells the true story of fred hampton the electrifying civil rights activists and black panther party leader. You actually get to hear. A conversation. Between daniel and fred hampton junior. The son of the man that he plays in the movie as they talk about the hamptons that legacy and the ongoing push for black equality in the us. Don't miss it. it's amazing. I will be honest with you In our internal editorial planning and stuff. I kept seeing That on on the show. Today we were gonna have the star of the black panther movie. And i was like what i can like different black man. This is a black panther party right black. Not black panther flew was in black panther though even more confusing star yet. A pretty big. Hey dana kalou man is is a fantastic black panther. You're like oh man this guy you know. He's to challenge the why don't wanna spoil but he can play someone to carry. He's also do you see the movie. Widows the steve mcqueen heist movie. Nah we'll see mcqueen phenomenal director dan villain in that movie he can go from villain to hero in ways that you're like dude. This guy's the best freaking actor ever because just his look. You're like he can communicate so much he's unbelievable like you see game. You can show you like pure coolness pure hero or pure villain in just a look of his. I knew like holy crap. This guy's frigging incredible. Well coming up on our audio podcast. You won't get to experience that you will get to hear you actually see the movie today when when this comes out so i've already got my tickets. Let's get it in. The pandemic on ali also relevant recommends our new segment. What's jesse thinking and stay tuned right now up next. It's relevant listening to radio. Children song is pretend today show is brought to you by upper room. There's some daily comforts that just make you grateful and feel more grounded in life like petting the dog hitting the snooze button and of course that first cup of coffee the things that you count on every day to help you get where you want to go things like the upper room daily devotional guide. You can count on the upper room for daily inspiration daily community and daily prayer. It's the only daily devotional magazine written by readers. Ordinary people people who have encountered god daily situations. The epa room here for you every day through your email accustom app or printed magazine. You can enjoy a free thirty day. Trial of their email or app service by visiting upper room dot org slash welcome. That's him u. p. p. e. r. r. o. m. dot org slash. Welcome to get your first thirty days for free okay. it's time for. Please welcome relevant. Senior editor tyler. Who is the person who wrote in our rundown that we're gonna have the star of black panther on today's show and confused me for several weeks. So hey todd did. We realized at some point. Forget which editorial meeting it was that we were talking past each other when we were using the black man or is there a new one coming out. I was like as our new black panther out. You're like what are you talking about. Yes it's a little confusing but we got there and messiah really really good movie. I give the opportunity to see it. That i would recommend it. I thought it was awesome in the conversation. So good to what what's going on this week. Okay so this is an interesting. This is a two minute. I've been learning about the store that i've been following wanted to get your thoughts on this and it started with her with somebody who has been in the news lately home alone two star donald trump. He got the star of the apprentice. You may know him from his many roles in hollywood and a brief stint in the white house but he. He's obviously as we're talking about this lawsuit. We talked to you about here. Not jesse it's judas in the black si- not the black panther whole lot. Who are we talking about here. This is donald. Donald j trump. Real estate guy is without okay. Gotcha gotcha you may know. From trump trump staved subscribe for a while to be a very expensive steak program. And we'll a little mealy jersey isn't really known for their stakes gaming gaming so as we're talking today he's actually in midst of his his second impeachment trial and You all more about this than we do right now. But i was something that come. I was in a lengthy interview with newsweek. His former senior adviser. Jason miller said that trump has been feeling much happier. That's a quote much happier. Since he got kicked off social media said the president said he feels happy. Now that he's been he's been in some time he's the not being on social media and not being subject to hateful echo chamber social media too frequently becomes has actually been good. Everyone needs a break from social media every once in awhile. I wanna tease out something. For what jesse. Thinking later about social media and happiness. If you i've i've a little an addendum that will be coming up later in. The show was very applicable for the listeners. For this okay. All right so this is just say. I did not plan this. This is just god. Yeah working an contact. So i was actually as i was looking up on those kind of starting to wonder like well on the one hand you know. This is an aide. And we've all learned that when people are talking secondhand about how trump's feeling to take out a little bit of a grain of salt. But i was also thinking well seems like getting off social media a pot or the popular understanding of. That's probably pretty good of jamie pointed al like a a good thing for most of us. I needed a little bit of digging into the research. And i was actually a little bit. Surprised at the research says about the connections between our overall mood and our time spent on social media. My assumption. Returning is those people's assumption. Was that the less time you spend on social media the better happier going to be looking into the research. It's not necessarily the case. It's actually a little bit more complicated than that. What we what. Professor derek words of a uvc found was social media users who tend to use twitter facebook and instagram to mindlessly. Scroll just the dooms scoring a lot of us do late at night. While we're in bed. They do report feeling more negative when they're done mostly because this scrolling tends to lead to unfavorable comparisons to others who appear to be living happier healthier more aesthetically fulfilling lives but were it's also found that people who use social media as a way to communicate with others to actually engage in friendly conversations and interact online report feeling happier after they use social media. So it's social media itself sort of a its objective right. It's just a tool it doesn't. It's not good or bad for your mental health. But what you do when you're on social media according to this research is has enormous amount of effect on your overall mood. And how you feel when you're done using it we don't know we don't know what trump did while he was on social media for the most part i i'm shocked. He was even on soc amir winded. That happen today. He's pretty he's pretty old. You would think that he wouldn't be like enamored with it but he loves it. I wonder if like you're talking about like if you're creating it's a positive thing if you're consuming it has a negative effect on you but i wonder if in matters what you're consuming like if you're only following like humor accounts or or a hobby you're interested in basketball or something but there's you know. Nba twitter like when i'm reading nba. Twitter i don't feel negative. I'm i like. I like it but like news. Twitter is like doom scrolling. Almost you know. I wonder if the type of content you're consuming factors in and i do want her to this study Took facebook instagram and twitter. All into account but it didn't really break it down by site one. The effect was and. I know that there's a lot of talk about how instagram leads to more comparisons. Because you see these people whereas twitter. I don't usually feel jealous of people reading on twitter. Like oh you're you're a loser like role stuck in here together. The inmates are on this same. Madhouse unfetter social media is like you. Could you fill in the blank with anything like okay if you use it for the right reasons. You're gonna feel happy if you use it for the wrong reasons. You're gonna feel sad in comparison jealousy and envy and so fill in the blank if what it is and got us the wrong way. It's gonna make you bad. I think it's a little different for different people. I might experience. Is you know some stuff is hard to avoid for me 'cause there's a level of popularity as their saw flag on pins and needles a lot like so half the time like i'm the most happy when i don't post because even if i posted even post light it sure of me and my family light. It could be something negative on that. You know what i mean like dasaratha desk saw the cry pastas a picture of him holding his daughter And and saying the caption was like a Love your daughters. Walk walk wise. You never know you know if they're watching and and they're going to pick somebody like you. Some guy starts talking about warren off in abortion and weird stuff and he's just like it's a pitcher with his daughter. You know what i mean. So i think it's just different experiences for different people like i like for some reason lie man. I just pray that. I'm able to hold on to jesus as much as racist hold onto my posts like got. Please give me the strength to hold onto you with that level of Veracity like. I just wanna be able to do that. Like phil i ever seen a guerrilla girl the girl that like guerrilla neuter hair hours honestly feel like my twitter and facebook at times. I'm the gorilla group glue girl except it's not gorilla glue. It's like racist christians. That's what are the gorilla. Glue is like so. I don't know. I think this is different for certain people. I don't i think there's some enterprising developer out there that can hear this and put this to our. I think i think social media there needs to be like a happiness filter ripe. And how would you would punch all these phrases in that. You know if these phrases are included in a comment or tweet or reply to something. That's probably going to bring your mood down like for example if it would have like a feature in there that if it's all comma space idiot erie like zip. This album can be like well. Yeah that's what. I thought too idiot. It's like i just don't want to see it. Probably to be toxic like the. I can think of a thousand two thousand as putting a filter if that was just filtered out of the feed. Probably make them much more enjoyable experience probably better for mental health to developer out. there do the happiness filter. That's a million dollar idea sitting right there. You can do that on twitter. You can mute words. You commute trump and no post with the word trump would appear on your feed. We need something out blankets. We need something blankets all the socials and is to. Yeah already in there. That's like hey if you don't like heated political talkies click. This filter want You know people ragging on you about construction ism or whatever. It's like which. I don't have problem with what i've seen. Those conversations go sideways just filtered out. You know like like you don't want to create an echo chamber but also at some point you gotta look out for your own mental health goods for punishment to like. Sometimes we're like we know. This is a mess. I always think like there's some things i can say funny to like you guys but i'm not gonna put it out into the world because there's too many people that follow me and i can't be. They don't know my humor in funny stuff. i think. Sometimes we give people the opportunity to come at us because we're posting something that's funny but you know you're going to get crazy. Is the crazy people. Your friends are coming at. You don't know you think that they can. Here's a perfect example. I came up with this banging. New nacho method okay. Here's what i did. I win in my kitchen. I i use my bare hand. Not but here's the thing i don't need haters. I smeared it all around. I crumble up my mind. Yes and jammed in an ice cream. Thank god someone went in and posted right before. I did someone on the same wavelength. Look at that. Poor woman. Got and i thought that could have been me. That could have been may next. I'm just thinking to share my inventions with the world. But jamie dupree. Yeah i just. I just tried to know my audience like certain things i would say on this podcast that i know of people took the time to listen to the probably not really gonna care if i say something totally stupid or or jokey but if i feel like i put her on twitter. Does that would come at me. And i'd be that. I don't know at have really no desire to to know or really any intention of knowing that's like myself up to people just being jerks you know i definitely i definitely agree with you jamie and a sense of okay. This won't be accepted by conservative. Christians but i guess my frustration is. Does that have to be the bar for my platform. And why. And why. If i do post that that i have to be harassed for posting something like dot they. That's the everybody talks about. Like when you see description romans. They talk about the The weaker brother and say if meet offends my brother. I won't eat it. i. I've heard that ten million times but nobody reads the part under that says that the weaker brother shouldn't judge the stronger brother so like why. Why can't i guess my my big thing is i. I've might yo. I do not want to be held hostage by stranger strangers who i don't necessarily hold their same values. I don't have to say like where did it become a thing where i can't have a sense of humor like as a christian leader like i feel like that i feel bad for certain leaders is up guys really really funny but he has to post these dry like scripture verses because their assume that he's a christian so he has no personality at all and i decided that i hate about what i've been. I guess like knowing your audience. I hate that part about some of the audience members that i have that i have brought in to to have chose a follow me like i love certain parts about it but the thing i hate about it is if i see a video. That's funny it's like or you're christian. That's not supposed to be funny to you. Why i just. I wish people were just more operate under the mo of do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. Lay you posted a video. Would you want somebody to come at you about the thing you posted. Then don't go after them about the thing they posted. Just let live and let live. You know what i mean. So here's what you need to remember if you're thinking about type in a message to derrick or anybody else you need to type it all out and then when you're done ask yourself if i was having coffee with derek minor. Would i say this to face. And at the answer's no you need that. Delete delete delete. Delete delete and move on about your day. That is what we need to remember. Would you say this is someone's face man. A lot of people wouldn't say stuff to my face. 'cause i'm six foot three and i weigh a lot so so maybe maybe what we need to do is build in sabbath you know. The bible talks about sabbath a lot and how essential that is to our mental physical and spiritual health and wellbeing. Maybe we should all. I've i've been seeing more and more people doing like a social media sabbath for like the weekends or something you know. They'll be on social during the week but they turn it off on the weekends. Maybe it's worth trying stuff like that Who teaches them. Figured out all right. well thanks. There's a lot more that came from Check out what we're doing every day over the dot com on all the socials recover in the intersection of life. Faith culture justice stay tuned next daniel. Colusa and fred hampton junior join x. files again. You're listening to wallows with rumoured. Wolf in selo. Phonic song is okay. What's it's the name of the song. It's better than releasing today the film judas and the black messiah stars daniel kaluga as electric black panther party. Leader fred hampton and the keith stanfield as the friend who betrayed him the movie follows one of the strangest and most tragic true stories of the civil rights movement chronicling the length the fbi went to to discredit and sabotage the black panther party from within including but not limited to turning hamptons friend. William o'neil into a against hampton who at just twenty one was seen as the future of the movement which you're about to hear is a unique feature segment for us. It's a conversation between colombia. And fred hampton junior. The son of the man he plays in the movie together. They discuss hamptons legacy the journey to bring hamptons radical vision of racial justice to the screen. And how kalou transformed by stepping into the shoes of the icon. He portrayed onscreen here. Is daniel columbia in. Fred hampton junior close to half of all the rainbow nation press neutralize by any means necessary mayor because all marriage what we come to can heal this whole city. You eight tell me it was going to be like this. These no tears. We got a rat anybody else know. The first danial colusa opened up about educating himself more about trimming fred hampton's life and work in hampton. Junior explains a little about what he recommended for. Clues approach to his father's life including seeing hamptons old parts and even meetings moves all this. Opiates as you're listening to remember clue who has their british accent. He was born in london. here's conversation. When i am really took in the scope of his ideas is concept believes his love for the people. I felt i felt just wanted to kind of step into spiracy. Step into this position. I mean for this narrative and to be a part of continuing the legacy san in in in my medium with jim doing it in the real world as well johnson so if felt very on and i just went to to on the screen but the process so now daniel and the house was chanting freedom. Grew up in at a table in which coach free came chamber. Freed aidid our process of our dialogue meetings on his dog. Someone's no was the same with our organization to the party close in the streets are office. Our causes twenty four hours a day. Seven days a week we met in office. There's the streets some of the same streets. The chamber free organized on that process even to be in their office and then dominates snow and others the officers on the set and in the process of the mutual respect. You'll see the struggles say was creatively. Speaking at advantages as as politically speaking with can be told. What can that whole process. It wasn't this a reaction end result. The does the see. See their heels story like this and cow the perspective that we wet to meet in the family and having them apart of the process and having them to be honest enrich what we are doing this attitude to tell to imbue inara. We've we've truth was was imperative to me if only everyone's aligned with the with the with the same kind of outlook tons of life the importance of having chaim fridge having mama cooler just saying things in Redirecting us comment Educating us during lunchtime it was amazing. And yeah so we we went to the we went to the home went to the offices and then we got a seven. Was it seven eight. A meeting declared. Em jennifer juniper spoke to us in an assisted declare intentions of why with the story. We are remember mama up to me and dominate to decide and office. Why we make off a what we feel. The meaning of all is to go through that and then chairman fred. Gina his to to a place in chicago that you know. I remember what you were saying. He was like i said. If you're going to pay channel wanna see what you see what you're made up you seven along those lines on. I don't to misrepresent you chairman. But it was. It was a long line at seven. I wanna see next. Fred him to junior discussed why he felt like it was so important for daniel and his co stars. Dominic fish back. Who plays hamptons girlfriend deborah johnson to see the places where his father walked worked lived. And how they tried to convey hamptons revolutionary. Spirit in this movie. Judaism the black messiah character in character. You know our respect. Different field athlete of a freedom fighter. Spf what have you and in. Our john says the freedom fighters was revolutionary in the dynamics of intricacies of it saying are negated for number reason because dealers we come from a mcleod that there are many things that we can't talk about the There there are some ingredients in a recipe revolutionnaire. That you are giving you know Champion free ability to to wear a theory and practice to not just talk to is who authored organized rainbow coalition the city that was remains one of the top segregated cities in the country chicago which is infamously referred to charity now. We don't know brag about that. But that's that's the political reality is a war zone and it's a microcosm was happening. Never colonized community jamie free. No told the mountaintop. We're going back to the value of the people that we went to the valley and we went there and to ground was nearly still hot. Community was out there saying contradictions. You know i'm saying it contradicts what you know. And we had our dialogue in again. Dan you dominique conversation with our comrades saying it was the setting everything and politics is like real estate time location. This important setting correct. We have some really it. Wasn't it wasn't pressed it wasn't i gotta get out of here right now and you've seen accountability to see where this don't know. Put you in harm's way and it's not the same neither one of these. They don't know punks either. Don't you know what i'm saying you l. this being respecting each other's okay. We talk to engage in this year legacy chamber free and this is. This is some things that you can't. You can read books. Yeltsin this is. This is some great you gotta smell and feel and They came. I'd seen the site. The memorial sight of shooting had been destroyed. I remember that. I remember that being destroyed an Virginia was expanded to me about how the police come and kind of wreck. Those those kind of places in it on it was for me. It was a microcosm of what's been done for centuries you know it's the disruption of necessary heathen that from the powers that be and i saw that there and i felt i just felt like joe. I didn't feel like i had anything to prove. i didn't. I just hit to connect on a on a real level. I'm trying to understand your point of view. How you guys see the will saying. I want to look for your eyes. I don't look at you own. Levy does so. That's how i felt. I didn't i just remember those kind of thing and i remember the energy was just. We just took him. We just china. I didn't feel fair if i'm being really understood that as a bounce because it's blown bouncing around that's left judas in the black scientists as much a love story. As a story of a of a revolution in daniel talked a little about how he and dominic fish back. The trade hampton jump sins relationship and why it was so important to get it right Fish back play. Deborah johnson who was not only chairman fred's girlfriend and then fiance but was also freddie entertainers mother. Unfortunately dominique couldn't be because she was another shoot. She can be part of rehearsals. So i was speaking to a lot. Dren journey szucs issues missing out on a lot of really big conversations Regarding of how we're gonna go and how we map it and we really cared about The auditing chairman. Fred deborah johnson. We cared about. We understood the importance of the and she's always said that she was. She was just writing journalism as the johnson and ryan poems as an she She opened up. Showed it to to shock as list issues for the scene in new characters young. I'm looking for. I'm looking for where where whereas where. They evolving how. They evolve in how to become chairman fred at the beginning narrative. He just knew so much he had so much internally. And so and you see it and when you first meet the johnson she's gifting himself in terms of like bruton in his expected on his possible research and so i think one of the amazing things about that dynamic in the film is that she is kind of educating him on a on a blind spot in terms of how she sees him being out there and how it relates to Being with child and dominik put so much into this and so just was really from the heart really hard and i just. I felt really moved like knowing that it was her personal words known as like it was a summation of ood afford sim beliefs. Feelings that she had throughout the shoop regarding this time when it was it was testament to let this is more than just a raw. Finally the two men talked a little about what they hoped. Due to the black messiah would lead to and why educating america about the real history of the black panther party Not just donor handed down. But the actual story is so important and where we go from here. This is a little on his own terms. And we say that that even even details is not. Eagle tripping is recognized self-determination. You know what i'm saying. This is organization is called. The question of assassinations genocide not called the revolution bows when many people were taken a stance with no not going to the war in regards to us aggressive. Because vietnam you see. I mean minute you ep neglected. The party had declared it was was in a contingent assistant. These people. you know. People call saint channel. You ready follies interviews back back. I'd say he knows it's a release nelson is receptive even with the cast discussing feel forced like okay vehicle knows. This is part of our contract wheels. One day of filming having to be the anniversary. I didn't use that term but to me rice. We ain't gonna cleveland. Ohio kasmin was came out. I was speaking in cleveland. they came willing. It was on time. We sent out day lunch this. It wasn't arrested lead a meeting. And so Is is the energy there in a sense. This this helps. It helps open the door. this is not the end. All panacea dot people gonna be politically educated but also doing film. We don't we didn't anticipate this whole climate is a client where people's political pores are open. Y'all tell me. Even even with the breakfast program i i say they're going to be strong and want generate. Who say why would he have a birth. Why did you oughta girl so so. This climate now acknowledges it's terrible but it's fine so skies skies skies. I think me powell evidence. People is something I feel i feel it feel filled up my generation. Almost it's been interrupted in a sense. Johnson but something that's been interrupted. Togetherness has been interrupted in a sense. And i can see the difference between that time and now where people could psych come together on facebook. It's a there's a necessary valence happening. Zan in tons of your activity you know actually feeling some reconnecting teachable on zoom. You know we don't have to feed like santa ana it brought me to the root of it. It just like how important is to be a part of the community to be there to be present to share ideas to two-leg to some some said to me recently is station clauses. Zan it's It's a it's how you can really cause and ideas will impact and resonate more. We'll be together. John's dan people like like. It's an empathy and compassion and and togetherness fruit up as opposed to just a mass of people. Because that's what we kind of have as long as there's loads of people that means it's about there's about what does what a hell of those people being activated. What knows what force is enough people. What the beliefs and many people. How do they feel what what what the objective was to line. Wants to check point. It made me go. There's a process to get to the power that was daniel columbia and fred hampton junior checkout judas and the black messiah on hbo. Max it's out today. Stay tuned next. It's relevant recommends. Welcome their little recommends to our weekly look at the books movies albums shows and maybe even video games worth your time. I'm telling how could be in the senior editor of relevant and this week. We're looking at eight twenty. Four new drama monari so immigrant stories have grown in popularity a lot over the last few years probably because of the the social attention. That's been paid to the issue in the press political scene. You've probably seen other stories about the immigrant experience in america but monari still really stands out for a lot of reasons. One is just kind of by virtue of shifting. The focus from the sort of drama of coming to america too much more by new focus on the sort of mundane details of an american family of south koreans living in the rural south. 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Ken Rex

Murder Minute

29:30 min | 2 years ago

Ken Rex

"Welcome to murder minute on today's episode. Ken rex mcelroy and how one small town took justice into their own hands but i your true crime headlines. The united states is reeling after a pair of mass shootings occurred just thirteen hours apart the first was in el paso texas when a gunman and opened fire inside a walmart killing twenty two people and injuring twenty four more the shooter surrendered to police and was identified as a twenty one year old resident of allen texas a suburb of dallas. The gunmen posted an anti immigrant manifesto on the website eight chan just twenty seven minutes before the attack. The state of texas has filed capital murder charges against the shooter and the department of justice is treating the incident redant as an act of domestic terrorism and considering bringing federal hate crimes and weapons charges which could result in the death penalty just thirteen thirteen hours later in a nightclub district of dayton ohio a twenty four year old man armed with a high-capacity rifle killed nine people and injured twenty-seven more firing off forty one shots in just thirty seconds before being killed by police. The shooter's own sister was among the victims uh-huh since january there have been two hundred and seventy five deaths and more than one thousand injuries from mass shootings in the united states in the wake of these recent shootings amnesty international issued a travel warning calling for travellers and visitors to the united states to exercise extreme caution due due to rampant gun violence which it says has become so prevalent in the united states that it amounts to human rights crisis authorities are searching for an inmate who escaped from western tennessee state penitentiary and who was believed to have killed a prison official joel these escaped prisoner is curtis ray watson who was serving a fifteen year sentence for aggravated kidnapping watson was was able to slip away from his prison job as a farm laborer by stealing a tractor which was later recovered a mile and a half away on the day that watson john was discovered missing a longtime prison official was found dead in her home which is one of about a dozen residential properties located on prison grounds. The victim sixty four year old deborah johnson had worked as an administrator for the tennessee department of corrections for thirty eight years. The tennessee hennessy bureau of investigation has issued a state wide blue alert in the wake of her death. The blue alert is issued when a suspect kills or seriously injures. There's an officer in the line of duty kurdish ray watson is described as a white male forty four years old five foot eleven inches tall and a hundred and forty pounds. His most recent mugshot shows a man with a bald head and a long grey beard but authorities have released copies of some older mugshots showing the fugitive with a clean shaven face as well as photos of his many distinctive tattoos. The reward for information leading to his capture has grown to more more than fifty thousand dollars and he remains on the loose twelve years after the horrific slayings of a young tennessee couple. The fifth of five defendants charged with their murder is finally facing trial twenty one year old channon christian and her twenty the three year old boyfriend christopher newsom were on their way to a friend's party when they were carjacked and kidnapped on the night of january sixth two thousand seven mar three unknown men the couple were bound and gagged and take into the rented home of one of their captors where they were both brutally tortured raped and murdered newsome's body would be found the following day along some railroad tracks and christians body would be later recovered stuffed into into a trash can in the house where the couple had been brutally tortured three men and a woman were charged with their murders and another man was charged with the carjacking and accessory after the fact each were tried separately and all were sent to prison then in twenty eighteen grand jury brought a thirty eighty six count indictment against eric boyd who had been convicted of carjacking in the case this time he is charged with first degree felony murder first degree premeditated murder especially aggravated robbery especially aggravated kidnapping and aggravated rape included among the witnesses are one of boyd's co conspirators who told the court about boyd's direct involvement with the murders a southern california millionaire who occupied a spot on the u._s. Marshals fifteen most wanted list has been captured fifty five year old. Peter chadwick was charged with murder in the death of his wife and two thousand twelve in twenty fifteen while out on bail awaiting trial chadwick drained his bank accounts and went on the run last fall in an effort to drum up renewed interest in the case newport beach detectives fibs launched a podcast called countdown to capture which detailed the evidence against chadwick and implored listeners to contact investigators if they had any information on the case chadwick was taken into custody in mexico and deported to the united states where he is being held without bail and awaiting in trial convicted pedophile jeffrey epstein died by apparent suicide aside while being held in federal custody in new york epstein was being housed at the metropolitan correctional center in manhattan as he awaited trial on on federal sex trafficking charges. The millionaire financier who social circle at one time included united states presidents and members of the british royal family was facing one count each of sex trafficking a minor and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking epstein had been taken off of suicide watch less than two weeks before his death. His death has unleashed a wave of online conspiracy theories with people suggesting that he was killed killed to keep him from disclosing potentially incriminating information about his high powered friends and associates on the night of epstein's death. He was being guarded by two officers. One of them was working a mandatory overtime shift and the other was working his fifth overtime shift of the week united states attorney general william bar announced that he would be launching an investigation into epstein's death and stated that he was angry and appalled at the failures at the prison facility where epstein was held a florida man who was convicted of killing his parents and brother has been spared the death penalty and instead will face life behind bars thirty year old grant amato executed his family after they tried to get him to end his relationship with the bulgarian webcam model named sylvie who he met on an adult website amato convinced the cam girl that he was a wealthy gamer and in an attempt to prove his wealth he stole more than two hundred thousand dollars from his father and brother and spent it on lavish gifts for sylvie when his family found out they ordered him to stop communicating with the woman and to go to a treatment program for internet addiction he did not complete the program and was soon back to communicating secretly with sylvie when his brother found out that he had rekindled the relationship with sylvie he confronted grant amato and they argued and prosecutors believe that a motto snapped and began planning the murders of his family a jury convicted a motto of three counts of first degree murder for the deaths of his parents and brother the same injury deliberated for three hours before deciding not to recommend a death sentence. Amato will instead be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility ability of parole. Those are your true crime headlines up next the story story of ken rex mcelroy but first a quick break. Are you always too hot or too cold. Don't you wish there was some kind of magical device that you could wear that would let you set your perfect goldilocks temperature her so that no matter where you are you feel just right well. Your wish has been granted with amber. Wave umber is the first personal wearable heater and cooler created by three wizards at m._i._t. The ember bracelet uses precisely engineered thermal waits. 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Skidmore was a farming town with just i four hundred and thirty seven residents a gas station a bank a grocery store and the main street the people people of skidmore worked hard monday through friday cut loose at the d._n._c. tavern on saturday nights and sought redemption church every sunday. They were a modest town. They raised families. Everyone helped out their neighbors. Everyone except kenneth correct mcelroy to say that kenneth rex mcelroy or can rick says the locals called him was the town bully would would be a vast understatement. Everyone in town knew to steer clear of ken rex who made zero apologies and seem into revel in terrorizing people with his abhorrence aggressive and criminal behaviour at two hundred and seventy pounds. Ken rex rex was large and literally in charge in skidmore. I think that ken simply wanted to be big and important and have people afraid of him. When he walked down the street recalled one local farmer and he got that they were born on june first nineteen thirty four ken rex was the fifteenth of sixteen children born to the poor migrant tenant farming couple named tony and maple mcelroy. Ken rex dropped out of school at age fifteen and was thought to be illiterate after leaving school. Ken rex spent his time raccoon hunting cattle rustling womanizing womanizing and stealing at age eighteen. Ken rex was injured when a steel slab fell and hit him at a construction site the accident left ken rex with chronic pain for the rest of his life and some have attributed his subsequent bizarre dr and violent behavior to the head trauma that he suffered as a result of the accident. Ken wreck soon became well known own in skidmore for training and racing dogs and began to make a substantial amount of cash from it but he didn't stop there. Ken rags stole livestock alcohol gasoline grain an even antiques as a time of his crimes. The area had the highest rate of stolen livestock in the entire state of missouri. Ken rex was charged at least three times a year on average for his various crimes some counts estimate that he was indicted as many as twenty one times but ken rex was never convicted the residents of skidmore four were too afraid of ken rex to ever testify against him. He was known to possess a substantial arsenal of guns. I was always armed and would stock and threaten any witnesses who spoke against him parking outside their homes watching them at night aw even threatening to kill them while brandishing one of his many guns eventually every terrified witness would would recant and charges against ken rex would always be dropped. The more ken rex got away with his crimes. The more dangerously emboldened. He became ken rex new that he could do anything he wanted with the small town of skidmore and get away with it. He even bragged that his lawyer richard gene mcfadden represented ended the mob and would keep him out of jail but ken rex's crimes were not just limited to saft and witness his tampering over the years. Ken rex mcelroy had been accused of destruction of property sexual harassment and assault rape child molestation even shooting somewhat that someone was local farmer romaine henry who can wreck shot twice in the stomach when henry tried to chase him off of his property between ken rex's success was intimidating witnesses and the fact that he had proven that he was willing to pull the trigger. It's no wonder that his multiple victims of sexual the assault were too terrified to ever press charges against him. Ken rex mcelroy was accused of raping two young women as young as twelve years old both of which he was said to have married in order to avoid statutory rape charges and prevent them from testifying against him. Ken rex fathered more than ten children some within his multiple marriages and some with other young women most of which were children themselves. One of these teens was a a fourteen year old girl named trina mcleod who can rex impregnated using threats. Ken rex gained permission chen from china's parents to marry her making trina his third wife trina was now legally trapped in nightmare living with ken rex and his previous child bride alice soon after their child was born katrina and alice attempted to escape to train his parents house in response. Ken rex mcelroy burned down her her parents home and shot their dog for over two decades. The town of skid moore lived under ken rex. Mcelroy's reign of terror and locals felt abandoned by justice system which seemed unable or unwilling to do anything to help them while the authorities continued to pursue him for his crimes. Even the police were afraid of ken rex who was the definition of armed and dangerous but every rain eventually comes to an hand and ken rex was about to be ousted from his throne on april twenty fifth nineteen eighty eighty. Ken rex's a two year old daughter. Tanya was caught stealing candy from the local general store and was asked to return it. The store was owned by an elderly couple bow and lois bowen camp upon hearing of the incident can rex flew into a rage against the couple lowest tried to defuse the situation and called the incident a simple misunderstanding ending but ken racks wouldn't let it go and began to relentlessly stalked and harassed the bowen cam mm family over two months later on july eighth nineteen eighty bobo and camp was outside of his general store on the looting dog. When ken rex's truck came speeding up through the back alley he pulled up next to bow drew a shotgun and shot seventy year old bobo and camp in the neck. Miraculously bobo encamp survived but his shooting proved to be the last straw for the town of skidmore. Ken rex mcelroy was arrested and charged with attempted murder and this time the charges charges stuck ken rex's preliminary trial was set for august eighteenth nineteen eighty and as usual ken rex attempted to intimidate the boeing caps and their supporters. You can't know how intimidating it was. After that lois bourne one camp said before his trial he drive up to our house in his pickup at night and just sit there. Sometimes he would fire his gun. It was it's frightening but this time one after another the citizens of skidmore lined up to testify against ken rex mcelroy with the help of his mob lawyer. Ken rex was able to delay his trial for months until june. Twenty-fifth nineteen eighty-one almost a year after he shot bobo encamp ken rex mcelroy arroyo was convicted of assault with the intent to kill and sentenced to just two years in jail. Ken ricks said of his conviction. The jury convicted me and they gave me two years but i'll tell you what i'll never go to jail. I'll appeal and get off. I've been fighting the law since i was thirteen and i'm damn near fifty. I've been arrested for over fifty three felonies and this is the first one i ever lost and ken rex was right. He and his lawyer filed an appeal and ken rex. Mcelroy was released on forty thousand dollars bail. The justice system had again failed the town of skidmore immediately upon being released from jail. Ken rex picked up right where he left off. Just when the people of skidmore were beginning to believe that it was finally over there nightmare got worse ken rex had made note of everyone who testified against him and vowed revenge soon after his release local spotted ken rex indian g tavern armed with a rifle with bayonet openly openly announcing his graphic plans to murder bo-bo encamp ken rex was again arrested for violating his bail bail provisions and again ken rex was released terrified but determined to end this once and for all all the citizens of skidmore sent letter after desperate letter to missouri authorities local and state police the governor the attorney general and state legislators but their pleas were met with utter and defeating silence with no one to help them the people of skidmore decided to take matters into their own hands on july tenth nineteen eighty-one a town meeting was held at the legion hall just down the street from d._m._g. Tavern with as many as sixty skidmore residents in attendance including both the mayor and the sheriff the purpose of the meeting was to discuss what they could legally do to prevent ken rex mcelroy from harming anyone else we i simply felt that the system had failed us. One resident in attendance said we all knew what mcelroy was like and there he was again again and again. It seemed like nobody could stop him. During their meeting word reached the legion hall let ken wrecks and trina had arrived in town and were spotted heading to the d and g tavern to grab drinks never without without a gun. Ken rex was carrying a rifle with bayonet the townhall meeting adjourned and the sixty citizens in attendance headed down the street toward digi tavern ken rex mcelroy and trina. We're oblivious to the uprising building just outside the doors of the bar much to the relief of the bar patrons. Ken rex closed his tab and lead trina outside. The couple climbed into their truck and ken rex lit a cigarette. The crowd surrounded the truck. Trina looked over her shoulder and saw someone pointing a rifle at ken racks. Suddenly uh-huh shots were fired trina dove out of the truck from the passenger side where a man named jack clement grabbed her and took her away from the gunfire to safety in a few short minutes. It was over ken rex mcelroy was dead at age forty forty seven from two gunshot wounds to the head. The crowd dispersed the the street was empty and no one called an ambulance. The only sound found left was trina screaming. Investigators concluded that ken rex mcelroy had been shot by two different people as forensic evidence showed that one shot came from the front of the truck while the other came from behind with shell casings from at least two different guns found at the scene over forty people witnessed the shooting of ken rex mcelroy. All of them claimed that they didn't see who shot him. Once the shroud of silence fell there was going to be no one talking said cheryl daughter of bobo and camp they could have pushed and doug pushed and doug and gotten nothing we were so bitter and so angry at the law letting us down that it came to somebody taking matters into their own hands. No one has any idea what a nightmare. We lived in the investigation gatien that followed only one suspect was ever brought in for questioning after trina named him as one of the shooter's. It was del clemens part owner of the d._n._c. Tavern clemens denied the charge and with no other witnesses to to come forward the d._a. Decided not to press charges even after the f._b._i. Investigated the case and three grand juries <unk> heard evidence. No further suspects were ever charged for the murder. The investigation concluded concluded that ken rex mcelroy was murdered by a quote person or persons unknown and quote on july ninth nineteen eighty-four trina mcleod filed a six million dollar wrongful death lawsuit against the town hound of skidmore not away county sheriff danny s._d.'s mayor steve peters and dell clement. The case was settled for seventeen thousand six hundred dollars trina left skidmore and eventually remarried but passed away way on january twenty fourth two thousand twelve on her fifty fifth birthday. Don't clement died in two thousand nine maintaining until his death that he had no room in the killing while some have speculated the murder of ken rex mcelroy was a vigil anti plot that formed at the legion hall meeting on july tenth nineteen eighty. One others believe doc that it's more likely that a few people made an impulsive decision that day to take action and that the town stood by with with their silence in two thousand six not away county sheriff ben. Espy said they all seem to know who did it but they don't wanna get involved. I'll do everything in my power to arrest the person the people of skidmore remain silent silent man. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime download the murder minute app or follow us on instagram at murder minute.

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Full Episode: Friday, August 09, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

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Full Episode: Friday, August 09, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. Panic at walmart the new incident a twenty year old man armed armed with an assault rifle and loaded with ammo charged with making terrorist threats inside the store. A retired firefighter armed with the gun of his own stopping him him and tonight the new images showing the suspect at a gun range. What police are now saying about what he wanted to do. The deadly rush hour attack the the hunt for the gunman who killed two people on a busy highway the shootout in the middle of traffic. The interstate shutdown cars backed up for miles naming me names. The bombshell documents made public court case connected to jeffrey epstein a young woman claiming he directed her to have sex with a former senator and a former governor when she was a teen allegations. They denied president trump calling for meaningful background checks after threatening to veto the house bill earlier this year tonight what he's saying about the n._r._a. Fugitive on the run news of the urgent manhunt for a dangerous inmate accused of killing in a prison employee authorities just announcing they have no credible sightings he could be anywhere the major banks stunning its customers wiping the slate clean gene telling them all your outstanding credit card debt has been forgiven newly released surveillance video the search for two suspects accused of tossing and explosive into a gas station convenience store and this just in the shocking accident at the beach. A child in pale by flying umbrella rushed to the hospital <music>. This is a._b._c. news tonight with david muir good evening. It's great to have you with us on a busy friday night. I'm tom yomas in for david. David and we begin tonight with that panic at another walmart a man in body armor and an assault style rifle walking through store missouri terrifying shoppers and following them outside as they escaped. That's we're retired. Firefighter ended the threat holding him at gunpoint until police came and made an arrest that gunman is now facing terrorism arisen charge even though he never fired a shot and tonight we're learning what he told police about why he went to that walmart so heavily armed a._b._c.'s gio benitez leads us off tonight. Dmitri under janko is in jail on charges of making a terrorist threat after setting off fears of a mass shooting hail wearing a more through best they are around. His neck of the story is recording so just after four pm thursday. The twenty year old walked into this walmart in springfield missouri dressed rest in body armor. Caring assault rifle police say he had a hundred rounds of ammunition a store manager pulling the fire alarm sending customers fleeing outside died. I realized it was on a hunting rifle that it was an assault rifle and not really scared me minutes later by stamford julie balu capturing this terrifying seen the suspect walking right towards her car with his hands up in the air. It's about to get out of my car. When i heard if waste soft my left say. Is that a rifle. Is that a real rifle a former firefighter confronting under chango. He does not want to be identified. Why andrea my weapon told him to put his hands in the air. He complied compliant the whole time videotaping on his phone which was kind kind of odd tonight. Police saying chanko told them he quote wanted to know if that walmart honored the second amendment and that dude three recent shootings and a stabbing he wanted to protect himself police looking at these videos of under csangos shooting target practice with a semiautomatic gun. His intent was not 'cause piece or or or comforts anybody that was in the business here in fact. He's lucky he's alive still to be honest. Gio joins us now live g._o. We just heard it there. Police police shedding light on the gunman's possible motive and in a week that seemed to mesh shootings the suspect in this case told police he was surprised by the panic and this is really astonishing tom because he's apparently now claiming to police that he never expected people to react this way that he wanted his sister to record it on the phone. She said it was a bad idea so he ended up recording it himself. Tom gio benitez leading us off tonight. Gio thank you next the hunt for a gunman who killed two people after crashing crashing his car into there's during rush hour then unloading round after round into their vehicle the shootout on a busy highway in houston backing up traffic for miles but but the gunman drove away before police arrived tonight they're asking for the public's help to find him. Here's a._b._c.'s clayton sandell houston. Police tonight are searching for a gunman inman who turned a rush-hour freeway into a deadly shooting gallery one victim lying on the ground as good samaritans desperately try c._p._r. To keep them alive as interstate ten traffic backed up for miles to drive by shooting hispanic mccain's shirt holding a really neat. She's dead another car investigators say it started around six last night two suspects in dark sedan ramming into this silver car forcing it to spin out witnesses say one suspect jumped out of his car firing what appeared to be an a._r. Fifteen rifle he actually pursued the vehicle as a vehicle wrote down. The hill firing rounds at the vehicle as it rolled at one point the vehicle. Oh came to a stop. You got in front of people and fired rounds into the front windshield of them. The two men in the silver sedan were killed. Houston's police chief says the murders are likely likely drug related this video showing what police believe are large bags of marijuana inside the car. We absolutely believe a lot. More witnesses are gonna come forward because we really believe people you saw this. It was done in broad daylight. All right clayton sandell joins us now clayton. We understand that another driver not connected to the initial incident also fired shots. Yes that's right time. There was another witness there with his own handgun. Who says he saw the suspect coming toward him feared for his life so he fired several shots. He is not sure if that's suspect was wounded but he says it was enough to cause that gunman to flee. Tom clayton sandell covering one of many violent incidents this week right clayton. Thank you next tonight. Disturbing allegations about accused sex trafficker jeffrey epstein and members of his social circle. Those allegations come from newly unsealed documents from a now settle court case against epstein associate key lane maxwell. A woman claims that maxwell groomed her to be a sex slave to epstein and was traffic to some of his most powerful associates among those associates of former senator and governor. Here's a._b._c.'s linsey davis tonight. The jeffrey epstein scandal is growing bombshell accusations point a finger or add some rather notable names two thousand pages of documents were unsealed in manhattan federal court related to a defamation case brought by virginia roberts goo frei against gillan maxwell an epstein associate in court filings. Goo fray says she became an underage teen sexy for epstein who was later directed by maxwell and epstein to have sex with many powerful men including numerous prominent american politicians powerful business executives foreign presidents and other world leaders among among those goofy names in sworn depositions british royalty prince andrew former governor and u._n. Ambassador bill richardson and the influential former senator from main george mitchell all three men have strongly denied the allegations in statements today both mitchell and richardson say they never met miss goo fray and these allegations points are false in an interview with the miami herald kufra describes how she was trained. The training started immediately. Give jeffrey what he wants. A lot out of this training came from gillan herself and being a woman kind of surprises you that a woman could actually let that happen but not only let happen but to groom you into doing it. I was young. I was scared. I knew the powerful. I didn't know what would happen if i said no. I didn't know what would happen if they reported. I reported them. Maxwell has consistently denied the allegations and in court filings maxwell's lawyers wrote the goofy had utterly failed to substantiate her patently incredible incredible claims of being traffic to well known men jeffrey epstein charged with conspiracy in sex trafficking remains under suicide watch in new york city jail awaiting trial lindsay. Davis joins us now live in studio and lindsey tonight. There is a real possibility author. Epstein associates could face criminal charges. That's right tom. There's an ongoing investigation into possible accomplices to epstein's crimes and there are still thousands of documents in the civil suit remain under seal. There is an active effort to make those documents public. Tom alright lindsey. Thank you for that. We want to turn out of politics to washington president trump expressing optimism tonight that he can achieve gun reform specifically what he calls quote meaningful background checks. He says he's had serious discussions with democratic leaders and with senate leader mitch mcconnell but also with the n._r._a. Whose views he promises will be quote respected elected and represented that tall order is sparking some doubt especially on the campaign trail in iowa a._b._c.'s mary bruce as they're leaving the white house today. Under growing pressure president trump publicly pushing for stricter background checks and there's been no president that feels more strongly about the second amendment that i do however we need meaningful background checks so that sick people don't get gun and trump says he can get republicans and even the gun lobby on board lord. I have a lotta respect people at the n._r._a. And i have already spoke <unk> on numerous occasions numerous occasions and frankly we the intelligent background checks here in iowa the democratic candidates quick to respond he wants to say oh. Oh yes i could support changes on gun safety and then say but let's all be sure to about the n._r._a. That just doesn't work. Do you give him credit for trying to push action on this. I will give the president credit when i actually see him. Sign legislation that enacts commonsense gun safety legislation tation what we need is for him to actually push mitch mcconnell and the senate to enact commonsense gun safety legislation. I'm not holding my breath though meanwhile the trump campaign is hitting joe biden for this comment overnight. We have this notion that somehow if you're poor you cannot do it for kids you just as bright injustice towns white kids wealthy kids kids asian biden's campaign says the former vice president misspoke spoke but today the president piling on joe biden is not playing with fullback. This is not somebody you can have as your president but if he got the nomination i'd be thrilled okay. Mary bruce joins us now. Live again tonight from the iowa state fair mary. I want to go back to the background. Check issue you cover capitol hill for us. Give us reality check here. How realistic is it to pass this and rule the president call congress back into session to vote well tom. The president is calling for meaningful meaningful background checks but remember he is also threatened to veto background. Check legislation. That's been sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk since february now. The president today says he doesn't think congress needs needs to rush back in saying quote. I think we'll have a good package by the time they come back and they can start debating and voting on it then tom mary bruce tonight. Mary thank you next the severe weather. Watch after those pounding storms in the northeast several bolts of lightning take look striking over manhattan in the slow mo video the wildfire risk is now ramping up up more than eighty or burning in the west evacuations in lake county california heavy rain triggering flash flooding and mudslides and elk ridge utah and tonight dangerous is stretching rushing from texas across the deep south a._b._c.'s rob marciano tracking it all tonight rob good evening anytime the weather pattern is getting more amplifies overseeing more extremes dreams tonight including that heat ridge building across the deep south trophy turbulence across the northwest and in between we have a tornado watch has been posted for much of south dakota until nine o'clock tonight no reports yet but certainly some storms moving through the eastern half of that state in the northwest this trough bringing some severe thunderstorms erratic winds a red flag warnings are up for much of oregon washington washington through parts of idaho and things get dicey tomorrow afternoon in a way of severe thunderstorms in idaho and the heat continues across the deep south is going to feel like one oh seven in houston one zero seven dallas advisories up through at least tomorrow and this does not look like it's going to cool off the next several days tom or at rob thank you next tonight. New developments in that urgent manhunt for a dangerous fugitive in tennessee authorities revealing new details about the inmates deadly escape. Here's a._b._c.'s victor oquendo so fearful residents near this tennessee penitentiary looking their doors and loading their guns as the men had i gaped accused murderer curtis watson enters its third day okay shot got it pissed on the side. He's licensed carry so he's he's ready. Just in three officials know with brutal new details on watson's deadly escaped at seven pm. Wednesday watson who qualified for minimum security begins his daily lawn mowing duties at eight thirty. He's seen facility golf cart. At the home of corrections administrator administrator deborah johnson who lived on prison grounds they say it was there that wants allegedly sexually assaulted and killed her officials funding accord wrapped around her neck doc watson then taking off on a tractor getting as much as a two hour headstart before anyone knew he was gone. We have reason to believe that he is outside of this area since we've had no credible apple sightings face laster on billboards across the state tom the reward for any information leading curtis watson's arrest now topping fifty thousand thousand dollars tom and still no credible sightings all right victor. Thank you and there are chilling new details about the gunman accused in the mass shooting at the el paso walmart arrest documents humans revealed that patrick crusius confessed to police that he drove to el paso to target mexicans cruces killed twenty two people many of them hispanics and eight who were actually actually mexican nationals. He's charged with capital murder but hate crime charges could follow and there's still much more had a world news tonight this friday breaking news from north korea. This is coming. I'm in a new missile launch. 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Three men are lucky to be alive after their small plane crash into the turquoise waters of the bahamas guys that crashed man macos guard flying over the scene but help had already arrived the pilot and his two who passengers adrift in a yellow emergency life raft rescued by a group of good samaritans who just happened to spot them. No one was hurt that decided the shot the stranded men thirsty and tired seeing they were on the water for more than an hour the plane taking off from great harbour cay airport in the bahamas thursday a heading to miami when something went terribly wrong the fisherman calling it a true blessing that anyone survived the crash and we just did reading what else would really do able to help the survivors told the fishermen that the plane sank in just about a minute tonight. Investigators are working working on a plan to get that plane out of the water to figure out how it crashed. Tom incredible. They found them in that. Everyone survived with thank you. Tom now for index and we start with breaking. He news overseas south korea reporting north korea once again test-fired to projectiles today. It's the fifth such launch in three weeks. The previous test involved of short range ballistic missiles. Today's launch comes hours. After president trump praised the quote very beautiful letter he received from kim jong un back here at home in the gas station station explosion in philly police releasing surveillance video of two suspects wanted for toss you an explosive device into the store as they were leaving last month the blast causing a fire fire the store filling with smoke authorities are asking for the public's help in identifying these suspects and the frightening accident on the beach glouster massachusetts a thirteen year old boy struck rucking injured by a flying beach umbrella impaling him through the arm he was rushed to the hospital authorities say the umbrella wasn't well secured when the wind picked up and the major headline involving credit card debt a major banking customers clean slate it is a stunning move but chase is forgiving all credit card debt for customers customers in canada the bank closing all accounts and leaving the canadian credit card market last year in the very rare move chase now saying it's canceling the remaining debt to complete completes exit no word on how much money is involved pretty incredible finally tonight america strong and american muscle one family one car and the long love affair fare that will get your motor running when you go through wesley ryan's old photos. There's one thing that seems to stick out that nineteen ninety-three white ford mustang mustang g._t. The san antonio resident loved this car so much he named it christine but in two thousand one when wesley's wife laura his high school sweetheart we'd heart was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. The medical bills started to mount wesley had no choice he sold that car. He loves so much to pay for her cancer treatment. Laura eventually beat the disease. Their kids grew up the whole family. Never forgetting how much that car meant to dad so wesley's children's children's started saving and searching of eventually finding christine on craigslist vin number matched and here's the moment wesley blindfolded did his kids walking them up to the car. He parted with eighteen years ago. He can't believe it his son giving him back the title title at one point so overcome with emotion. He's unable to even touch the car finally realizing this this is all real but wesley and christine story doesn't end here the ford motor company heard about this journey what what is kids did for him and with the car meant for the family so they sent over hennessey performance a high end custom shop for car lovers to give christine a little facelift. Actually a full overhaul starting with a new engine transmission is mission custom paint new interior and cobra style wheels and wesley sees christine again. You guessed it more tears so and how does she sound now. It was wesley's turn lost for words. It's spoonful a beautiful car and a beautiful moment. I never thought i'd be in this situation again. And you guys made it happen happen. I can't say enough for it is a huge family. You guys giving me faith and belief again. We matter everybody matters so enjoy the ride wesley. We know you will thanks so much for watching on a friday night. 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Full Episode: Thursday, August 8, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:42 min | 2 years ago

Full Episode: Thursday, August 8, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. Several developing stories as we come on the deadly stabbing sprees degrees for killed two more wounded victims apparently targeted at random and eat another attack a man stabbing and slashing two women killing one of them. What police across the country are saying tonight. Also have you seen this man. The escaped inmate suspected of killing a high ranking prison employees employees before boston out officials warning. He's extremely dangerous and he could be anywhere. The sweeping ice rates hundreds of undocumented immigrants. It's taken into custody. The images of children whose parents were taken away some in tears with the head of homeland security said after our reporter showed him those images the backyard plane crash of family killed when their small plane slammed right into a neighborhood clipping a shed before going down the danger in the air the fired flight attendant charge for allegedly being drunk on the job seen slumped in a chair reportedly disoriented and confused boost the new images of that tornado striking the severe weather threat right now around of powerful storms pushing east from the great lakes plus the growing fire fire danger and america strong the incredible moment at the airport in dallas an entire terminal looking on in silence. What was on that plane seen that one pilot spent his whole life searching for this is a._b._c. news tonight with david muir good evening. It's great to have you with us on this thursday night. I'm tom llamas in for david and we start tonight with a dangerous and deadly incidents across the country in orange county california a man on a deadly deadly rampage killing four injuring two robbing several locations police finally catching up with him still wondering what drove him to these apparent random acts of violence. It's while in pittsburgh another stabbing two women wounded. One of them did not survive. A._b._c.'s kelly starts us off tonight. Police say this man thirty-three-year-old zachary castenada murdered four people in a vicious crime spree last night the communities of garden grove and san antonio they were preyed upon by violent individual who had no remorse or care for the safety of anyone other than himself. According to police castaneda's rampage starting wednesday afternoon in orange county california with a robbery at this apartment complex where he lives minutes later burglarizing this bakery the suspect then returning police say to his apartment complex stabbing two men who confronted him killing them both then two more armed burglaries stabbing a female employee floyd insurance company multiple times next allegedly attacking a man pumping gas seven minutes later killing third man outside a subway restaurant and then a fourth man a security guard inside the seven eleven where the suspect was arrested. The flags are at half staff. That's for the needless violence. That's happening across the the united states less than twenty four hours later pittsburgh the scene of another random fatal stabbing a woman a bus stop killed police say by suspect who then stabbed stabbed another woman walking by the man quickly taken into custody and kaley hearts joins us now live kelli wooder police saying about the motives here and anywhere on the condition of other victims well. Tom police say they're questioning. Both men their motives though still unclear the man arrested in california authorities say he's a known gang member. He's been convicted of drug and gun offenses in the past and tom the three people who were injured between these two incidents. They're all expected to servive. Tom kelly harden kaley. Thank you new images now. The escaped inmate in tennessee suspected of murder considered quote extremely dangerous authorities. What is releasing several mugshots of curtis ray. Watson is show how was appearance may have changed. Watson may have killed a high ranking prison employees before his escape and tonight state state officials with this chilling warning that he could be anywhere right now. Here's a._b._c.'s victor oquendo in all-out men on brune escaped. Krizner pu with authorities allege is now a murderer their stark warning. This individuals been missing for a day. We don't know where he is and he could be anywhere. Curtis ray watson <music> who six years into a fifteen year sentence for aggravated kidnapping man has a previous conviction for told abuse escape wednesday from tennessee prison north of memphis but first official. We'll say he killed sixty four year old corrections administrator deborah johnson she was very personal and she was very respected <hes> with the inmate population f._b._i. Agents agents on the ground here outside the penitentiary take above they're even using a drone to try to track down curtis watson officials say he escaped writing attractor. He was using for work tale driving it two miles. They released photos of his tattoos clothes. He was wearing and several mugshots to show him clean shaven and with the beard. If you cite the individual do not approach him. He is extremely dangerous. Police taken to the scully's searching every house and every car coming in and out of this remote community judy neighbors on edge. We have an all the doors shut me and my daughter and here we're safe and sound in here not moving not moving at all. It's all residents here are being asked to check act surveillance cameras on their property and to make sure that any weapons they own have not been stolen dumb fix wrote condo with those new developments tonight victor thank you next we turn to the youngest this faces of the nation's immigration crisis after sweeping raids of undocumented immigrants in mississippi children coming home after their first day back at school. Learning one of their parents was among the hundreds detained tonight with the head of homeland security said when our reporter showed him those faces. Here's a._b._c.'s car tonight. Some families are are in anguish. After the largest single state immigration crackdown ever buy ice agents these children coming home in mississippi on their first day of school heartbroken after learning apparent was one of six hundred eighty rounded up in the agents raided multiple food processing plants wednesday tonight in an exclusive interview c._b._s. Acting secretary of homeland security about that rain what would you say to that little girl. Obviously the impact of enforcement of law can be devastating for families judge. What i would say is that i go through a case by case process if she needs that parent for for care tonight that they're probably already released kevin michelina and tells us forty forty percent of those detained yesterday in that rate have already been released with parents getting top priority is five thousand migrants remaining facilities across the country treat tonight homeland security allowing our cameras for the first time inside a holding center in yuma arizona built after a massive spike in families crossing the border or more stations are really police stations. They're not equipped for handling humanitarian issues. That's why we built temporary facilities like this. We witnessed many lying on mats and covered in silver mylar blankets they have air conditioning showers plenty of food and medical staff on site twenty four seven the images or a contrast to a damning damning july inspector general report the show jam packed conditions inside five centers in texas faces pressed against the glass. The report called one facility ticking time bomb. Can you guarantee that all migrants in detention centers are inhumane conditions right now. So that is a daily focus of everybody in our entire chain eighty premier nakhalin and claims are now similar sites to this huma facility elsewhere which doherty's say had significantly eased the pressure on detention centers and we'll card joins us live now the homeland security chief also telling you tonight that the numbers of migrants crossing the border is down the dry. Tom he tells dell's made there has been a significant drop here in yuma and el paso but he says we're still beyond crisis level and that congress needs to step up tom. We'll car for tonight. Will thank thank you next tonight. New reporting about the mass murderer in el paso lawyers for the gunman's mother say she called police before the attack concerned that her son owned an ak style a weapon. Was that a mischance to head off the bloodshed also tonight. The hospital confirms none of the victims being treated there at the time we're willing or able to meet with the president when he visited did a._b._c.'s marcus morris in el paso tonight a._b._c. News learning that weeks before that devastating massacre the suspect's mother called allen texas police concerned that her twenty one year old son owned an ak style rifle the family attorneys telling a._b._c. news she didn't leave her name or her sons but police allegedly told her that patrick cruces i was legally allowed to own such a weapon and that there was nothing they could do tonight. Allen police say they are unaware of any record substantiating that call in the revelation coming new video captures the chaos this bottle a violent rampage at this el paso walmart. Much of the video is too graphic to show but there are moving moments of courage amidst the carnage. You can hear the voices those trying to comfort a man who's badly hurt twenty. The two people were killed twenty. Seven others wounded in the alleged hate-filled attack president trump visiting the border city wednesday but none of the eight injured being treated at one hospital. Spittal agreed to meet with him the hospital spokesman telling a._b._c. news. Some of the victims did not want to meet with the president. Some wanted no visitors at all and tom. The first funerals have already begun and when you drive through the city all around you see signs that read el paso strong this was already a tight knit community and it seems just tack has only made that bond even stronger. Tom marcus morris marcus. Thank you next tonight. The race for twenty twenty running through iowa tonight democratic candidates are are flocking to iowa and the state fair with just six months until the first in the nation caucuses front runner joe biden showing up on the fair's opening day asked flat out is the president in a white supremacist how he answered and some of the other candidates are saying tonight. A._b._c.'s mary bruce is at the fair joe biden today. Smiling destroyed is taking selfies at the iowa state fair the early front runner greeting his supporters would you eating ice cream the other thing and using his harshest language yet to take on the president as some of his rivals are flat out labeling trump a white supremacist. Do you believe that the president is a white supremacist. I believe everything the president says don encourages white supremacist and i'm not sure there's much distinct as a matter of fact. It may be worth it. Several of biden's opponents have gone. Even further is the president of white supremacist d. is he. He's also made that very clear in an interview with the new york times elizabeth elizabeth warren reportedly responding yes when asked if she thinks president trump is a white supremacist today in iowa warrant double down. You can't have it. Both ways can't keep trying to stir this up. Give aid and comfort me embraced by the white supremacists and then say oh but not me no he's responsible after the hate-filled massacre in el paso trump is insisted his rhetoric is not to blame my rudder does it all i think my rather verse together and he's trying to turn the tables. Insisting democrats are the ones who are racist tweeting. The democrat's new weapon is actually their old weapon weapon one which they never cease to us when they are down or run out of facts racism they are truly disgusting and mary bruce joins us now from inside the i was state fair mary vice president biden not mincing words with you today making it very clear. He thinks the president is encouraging white supremacists. We'll time biden told me point blank whether the president is or is not a white supremacist. He believes that everything trump does speaks to them and biden says the president is too afraid. Take them on now tom. Mary bruce on the campaign trail for us tonight. Mary thank you a new round of severe storms as sweeping out of the ohio valley heading east tonight it comes after yesterday's yesterday's first round new images of that confirmed tornado in springfield new jersey flooding rains in hartford connecticut causing high water rescues overnight a._b._c.'s chief meteorologist ginger zee on the damage from those storms back up that is terrifying sound of people inside a car in springfield new jersey backing away from that confirmed firmed f zero tornado packing seventy mph winds shredding power lines near philadelphia gusts up to sixty miles per hour slamming huge trees freeze to the ground torrential rain swamped highways and streets near philly. This woman rescued after her car was inundated. First responders in high water interview rescuing stranded drivers overnight near hartford connecticut to firefighters carrying them out of that waist-deep water the storms packed with dangerous juris lightning stretching all the way from the mid atlantic to south carolina. Alright ginger zee joins us now from the george washington bridge ginger. How long will these storms warm still be a threat yet through tonight really tom. I'm seeing the top of thunderstorms there in the distance. There's a severe thunderstorm warning just twenty miles away from us to our north that stretches up through springfield massachusetts into vermont. That's all the yellow boxes there and what the 'yellowbox mean you could see sixty plus mph winds that easily take take down trees and power lines. That's tonight then it fizzles out and we have to focus in on the heat from georgia alabama and florida back to dallas which will feel like one hundred and nine today. It's been a a long stretch under this ridge of high pressure and a lot of heat. You're squeezing it with an offshore low and making for really bad fire conditions from nevada through idaho up into washington instatement. Tom potential fires out west or ginger. Thank you next the deadly plane crash in eastern pennsylvania the small plane coming down in a neighborhood early this morning morning landing in the trees you see there behind home. Debris spread across a number of properties a couple and their daughter were on board. None of them survived. Here's a._b._c.'s diane macedo tonight. Witnesses say that plane skidded through backyards and clipped trees as it slammed into this residential neighborhood outside philadelphia explosion or anything. We're here crash. The single engine plane took out this shed barely missing the surrounding homes. I heard it because our bedrooms right in the front and i heard it go over the house. Officials say the beechcraft took off from philadelphia shortly after six a._m. But went down just three minutes later killing all three people on board a couple and their nineteen year old daughter. I don't know what the pilot was thinking or what he was doing but you a miracle that no homes were strong the f._a._a. Says on average they're about three small. Aircraft craft crashes a day in the u._s. This crashes similar to one in march when a twin engine piper aircraft slammed into an ohio neighborhood killing the pilot back here in pennsylvania slovenia the n._t._s._b. is still on the scene trying to uncover what caused this crash one big mystery. There's no record of any distress calls from that plane. Tom such a mystery history all right diane. Thank you and i'm going to new report from the united nations about the threat to the world's food supply more than one hundred scientists warned that soil is being lost between ten and and one hundred times faster than it is forming and that climate change including flooding and drought is speeding up the loss but they say there is hope if change comes quickly including shrinking farmland while growing forest we seeing less food and persuade more people to shift from meat base to plant based diets and there's still much more ahead of world news tonight this thursday the danger in the sky a flight attendant fired and facing charges for allegedly being drunk on the job tonight the video from inside the plane plus the headline tonight about the trendy medical treatment that has sidelined an n._f._l. Superstar how he suffered a painful case of frostbite and an incredible who story the moment today that brought an entire airport terminal to a standstill won't was on that plane and who was in the cockpit. Stay with us. Technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software you have in place whether you're looking to replace or just considering your options capterra is here or to help you read thousands of real reviews on software options specific to your business needs at capterra dot com slash tonight with over eight hundred fifty thousand thousand reviews of products from real software users. 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This flight attendant is out of a job tonight and facing charges of endangering passengers on a united it expressed flight from chicago some reported julianne march having trouble balancing seeming to pass out passengers fastening her seatbelt for her she was stumbling it kind of staggering back and forth bumping into passengers issues zigzagging kind of up and down the isle when the plane landed in south bend indiana officers boarded march started crying and when asked what city she was in chicago when she finally took a breathalyzer her level was point two five times over the legal limit for flight attendants in the aviation industry safety comes first and we always take very swift action to correct twin. There is something that's unsafe. Swift action came from wisconsin air which was operating the flight for united united saying that the flight attendant is no longer employed by the airline tonight. She is also facing a misdemeanor charge. Tom david curly for us tonight. David thank you now with an n._f._l. Superstar sidelined indefinitely after cryotherapy mishap e._s._p._n. Reporting oakland raiders white out antonio brown who last practiced in july why one of the best players in the n._f._l. Suffered extreme frostbite on his foot while undergoing cryotherapy in france now the treatment exposes the body to minus three three hundred degree nitrogen vapors inside chambers is believed by some to have health benefits for recovery though the f._d._a. has approved in for medical purposes the big screen green movie bill in plano real life hero actor danny trae ho known for bad guy roles in machete and desperado witnessed a rollover crash in los angeles and sprang into action helping pull a small boy from the vehicle. Everyone is expected to be okay. A new study finding too much coffee could trigger migraines harvard researchers reporting that drinking three or more servings of coffee. A day increases the risk of headaches but forty percent for migraine sufferers. The strength of the coffee can complicate its impact that study appearing during in the american journal of medicine and the philly's fan flexing some dad muscles at the ballpark a foul ball slice down the first baseline watch this when john paul with his daughter water in his right hand makes the one handed catch with his left. He later admitted he played baseball into college but he said that's sweet. Snag was all instinct dad that instinct finally tonight we get to see so many amazing moments here but few like this one it stopped an entire airport terminal and they only knew half the story fifty fifty two years ago like so many of his generation roy night junior said goodbye to his family leaving garner texas to fly combat missions in vietnam colonel colonel night would not come back killed in action this past february decades later his remains were recovered in laos and today on this southwest flight colonel night came home the moment stopping an entire terminal at dallas love field everyone stopping to watch salute and pay their respect for the pilot of that southwest jet this would be the most important flight of his life flying had always been his dream ever since he saw saw his father takeoff fifty two years ago has it yet. This was no ordinary dignified transfer. That pilot is captain brian knight son of colonel roy night. He was five years old when his dad left for war. Now he's a man wearing that lanyard with those immortal words for our p._o._w.'s and m._i._a.'s that ring so true tonight you are not forgotten and tonight as as always we thank all of our veterans and their families thank you for watching. I'm tom. I hope to see you right back here tomorrow tonight. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight.

Tom president A._b._c. el paso joe biden texas united nations david muir california mary bruce reporter tennessee philadelphia boston dallas iowa pittsburgh pennsylvania Tom kelly philly
Full Episode: Saturday, August 10, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:44 min | 2 years ago

Full Episode: Saturday, August 10, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. Breaking news as we come on death by suicide accused sex trafficker jeffrey epstein found dead in manhattan jail cell. How could this happen. The attorney. General quote appalled the f._b._i. Now investigating epsteins accusers furious would all means to the future of that criminal case and possible accomplices new threats following the massacres in el paso so and dayton las vegas man with ties to white supremacist groups arrested over threats to blow up synagogues and gay bars plus the social media post. I causing concern from this man about a walmart and an a._r. Fifteen guns and voters tonight we take you to the campaign. Trail were democratic. Candidates are handling the president over gun control their plan to curb gun violence as president trump promises quote meaningful background checks deadly fuel truck disaster. The more than sixty people killed when a fuel tanker exploded on a busy road. What residents were doing that may have contributed to that tragedy. Tracking a fugitive the hunt for the convict on the run accused of murder what police have just worn to look out for and breaking point tensions rising in hong kong clashes getting bigger bigger the possible ripple effect on the financial markets and your 4._0._1._k. A._b._c. news tonight good evening. Thanks for joining us on this saturday. I'm tom llamas and we begin tonight with that. Major story first reported by a._b._c. news accused sex trafficker jeffrey epstein gene is dead officials say disgraced financier died by suicide taking his own life while awaiting trial in new york city jail cell his body in that venue see. They're seen heading for the medical examiner's office. It is a stunning turn of events for a man who lived a life of exceptional wealth with extremely powerful people in his orbit he face place close to a half a century in prison if convicted the attorney general saying he's appalled at the development investigations now by the f._b._i. And other agencies underway epsteins epsteins accusers furious tonight saying he won't have to face justice while they have to live with their scars for the rest of their lives the bombshell development raising many new questions tonight the f._b._i. Investigating a colossal error how jeffrey epstein was apparently able to kill himself a._b._c. News i report the high profile accused sex traffickers death by hanging inside of his cell staff at the metropolitan correctional center discovering him at six thirty nine this morning they tried to revive him paramedics later rushing to the hospital where he was pronounced dead less than three weeks ago he was put on a suicide watch after being found unresponsive in his sell with marks on his neck but a._b._c. news learning for some reason he was taken off suicide watch nearly two weeks before his death. I really wanted justice. I really wanted him to take up for what he did and to be put in jail or prison and have to sit there and think about what it is. He exactly likely did to so many people tonight. Some of his accusers like michelle cada are outraged. She went to court after he was arrested to make sure he was denied bail there. There were some people that were looking forward to seeing him. Put behind bars for the rest of his life. Several dozen women have accused epstein of sexual sexual misconduct when they were underage jennifer arou- says she was only fifteen years old when epstein raped her tonight in a statement to a._b._c. news. She says i am angry. Jeffrey epstein won't have to face his survivors of his abuse in court. We have to live with the scars of his actions for the rest of our lives and it's not only his accusers accusers who are furious so is attorney general william bar announcing to federal investigations into the suicide one by the f._b._i. Another by the inspector actor general bar saying mr epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered. The mega millionaire sixty six years old was indicted for sex trafficking of of minors and conspiracy. A judge denied him bail citing what the f._b._i. Found inside of his home array returning up a fake passport plus hundreds. If not thousands of photos of nude women some appearing to be minors epstein went from living in mansions all over for the world even owning a private island and interacting with president bill clinton and donald trump years ago to a concrete sell his trial was set for next summer bummer if convicted he'd spend the rest of his life in prison prosecutors said their case was strong. Epstein may have believed them now to what's next in that ongoing ongoing criminal case thousands of previously sealed legal documents were released in the hours just before jeffrey epstein's apparent suicide. Here's a._b._c.'s stephanie ramos tonight. Authorities authorities tell a._b._c. news that while disgraced billionaire jeffrey epstein is dead. The investigation is not more accusers have come forward since his arrest his apparent suicide aside less than twenty four hours after two thousand pages of new documents were made public for the first time with accusations levelled against prominent people. You're screaming being on the inside and you don't know how to let it come out. All you do is obey. That's it a twenty fifteen. Defamation suit brought by virginia roberts frei was unsealed the suit root against gillingham maxwell a longtime seen associate and british socialite in deposition testimony goof race says that maxwell recruited her to be a teenage sex slave to epstein adding she was later directed by maxwell aunt epstein to have sex with many quote powerful men and other world leaders. Some of those is named british royalty prince andrew former governor and u._n. Ambassador bill richardson and the former influential senator from maine george mitchell all three men have strongly strongly denied the allegations richardson and mitchell say the claims are false and they never met miss goo frei in an interview with the miami herald goof ray spoke of what i've seen gene and maxwell would instruct her to do give jeffrey what he wants. A lot of this training came from jalen herself it started with one and then it trickled into too you and then before you know it. I'm being lint out to politicians and academics and people that royalty maxwell has not been charged with any crimes she has consistently denied the allegations and in the court filings unsealed match was lawyers wrote that goo frei had utterly failed to substantiate her patently incredible claims of being traffic to well known men tonight gouiffes lawyer who represents other alleged victims rights in a statement the fact that epstein took his own life within within twenty four hours of the unsealing details and devastating documents and exhibits in virginia goofy lawsuit against gillian maxwell is no coincidence who incidents stephanie almost joins us now from outside the prison. We're epstein was discovered dead this morning. Stephanie prosecutors have made it clear they are looking into potential compasses seuss to his crimes. That's exactly right tom. Part of the investigation will be to see if anyone connected to epstein and his alleged crimes should be charged. Many of his accusers have said there were a number of people recruiting on his behalf and then there are those federal investigations into his apparent suicide and whether there was any wrongdoing at this correctional correctional facility tom stephanie ramos for us tonight. Stephanie thank you now the apparent spike and terror related threats across the country in the wake of the mass shootings in texas and ohio ohio las vegas security guard accused of neo nazi ties under arrest for having bomb making materials and for threats against jews and the l._g._b._t._q. Community what officials say they found in a notebook plus the facebook post and florida by this man causing officials to spring into action. Here's a._b._c.'s will reeve tonight to alleged the white supremacists facing charges just days after an f._b._i. Warning about a rise in domestic terrorism bushmaster fifteen rifle federal agents in las vegas arresting twenty-three-year-old connor climb. Oh if there is a possibly very determined enemy we had at least the means to deal with it. Climbs seen here in this twenty sixteen video from affiliate elliot k._t. Envy acting as a neighborhood vigilante trying to fight crime authorities say documents and messages reveal climb recently wanted to blow up a synagogue or a gabe art arja investigators say he communicated with dangerous neo nazi group and during a rate of his home agents say they found illegal guns and bomb making materials as well as a notebook book outlining plans for an attack once you start talking about actually harming people then law enforcement can come after you and in florida an ominous hominem facebook post leading to the arrest of twenty six year old richard clayton investigators say the post read three more days of probation left then i get my a._r. Fifteen back don't go go to walmart next week. State officials say clayton appears to follow white supremacist ideology after the recent massacres el paso and elsewhere america on edge the f._b._i. B._i. is asking for the public's help to stop potential copycats. Despite the fact that white supremacy seems to be growing in this country it still boils down into the individuals police in new haven connecticut also arrested fifty-three-year-old jeffrey hanson. He's accused of posting being a threatening facebook message about puerto rican festival there. They say he was not known to police beforehand tonight. Officials across the country are taking every threat threat seriously. Tom will read those new threats tonight all right we'll thank you we turn to politics and the issue of gun violence taking center stage in downtown des moines with the twenty twenty twenty democratic candidates turning up the volume against president trump senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and the n._r._a. All in the aftermath of the el paso in dayton massacres a._b._c. senior congressional correspondent. Mary bruce with the candidates in iowa tonight today. The two thousand presidential hopefuls with a rallying cry for gun reform. We we need reasonable gun safety in our country back on the sidelines minds of the fair the candidates pitching their plans at a gun safety forum before voters eager for change come to you i know at a time of sorrow in our country by the time of real determination. We are going to make change. We are going to pass gun safety laws in this country. Hey ours. They have no business in our neighborhoods. In peacetime in the united states of america they are for warsaw after the massacres in el paso in dayton. The candidates are determined to keep up the pressure on republicans. They should be exposed. They should be exposed for what refused to do because it'd be intimidated by the n._r._a. Back in washington. The president is publicly pushing for stricter background checks and he says he can get republican leader mitch mcconnell and even the gun lobby onboard. Do you believe the president when he says he wants to see some kind of meaningful reforms arms. I find that fascinating when he says you can check with the n._r._a. Do you get any sense that this time around things different democracy is starting to show a little muscle out there and i think mitch mcconnell's getting just a little bit worried my he ought to be a lot worried all right. Mary bruce joins us live now mary. We still have four four weeks until congress is back in session. What are the chances democrats are going to be able to keep up the pressure. Tom that is the real challenge here for democrats and for these voters voters who are now demanding change over the coming weeks we are going to see these candidates especially those who are senators crisscrossing the country trying to hammer home their plans and keep this debate front and center tom mary bruce from the campaign trail again tonight. Mary thank you to tennessee now. In the growing concern over convict on the loose the search intensifying officials you see him here using dogs out there on the lookout for forty four year old curtis ray watson the convicted kidnapper accused of brutally killing prison administrator who lived lived on penitentiary grounds the new clue about the fugitive tonight from police. Here's a._b._c.'s trevor alt- tonight police on the hunt in tennessee now using zing tracking dogs in night vision in day four of the search for an escaped prisoner and accused killer. This is a very dangerous very dangerous fugitive and we want to catch him state investigators recently released these pictures of his tattoos adding he also has one on the left side of his neck officials say wednesday he sexually assaulted and strangled <unk> a longtime employee of west tennessee state penitentiary watson then reportedly fleeing on a tractor getting as much as a two hour headstart before anyone noticed he was gone. It could could be anywhere. Charging documents. Say watson has a history of sexual violence but was still a low security prisoner and had been released for lawn mowing duties wednesday morning at eight thirty. He was seen driving a golf cart outside the home of corrections administrator deborah johnson three hours later johnson's body discovered by co workers with a cord around her neck the blessed so many lives and it's just a sad occasion now neighbors and even prison employees telling us they're terrified. I i need a kitchen is that we've just learned. Officials received more than three hundred sixty tips but so far. There's been no credible sightings of watson. Tom trevor all with some new reporting tonight trevor. Thank thank you we move on now. We head overseas the clashes in hong kong. Take a look at these images police firing tear gas at protesters who went ahead with anti-government demonstrations despite warnings not to assemble that conflict stretching into its tenth week now and could possibly affect the financial markets and your 4._0._1._k. Here's a._b._c.'s julia mcfarland tonight. Unrest in hong kong it's showing no signs of slowing down after nearly ten weeks of protests riot police firing irving take us at crowds trying to break barricades halting road traffic across the city meanwhile several miles away at hong kong international airport protesters staging a sit-in and and now the first move from beijing targeting hong kong firm ordering airline cafe pacific to suspend any staff involved in the protests but since hong kong is one of china's key global trading hubs this far more at stake than justice businesses there. The man who predicted the collapse of subprime mortgages ahead of the two thousand eight financial crisis says says if the situation in hong kong gets any worse it could pose as greater risk to the u._s. economy as a trade war. If there is a black swan right now is what's happening in hong kong things escalate that would have a real impact on the global economy china isn't important global trading partner and the chaos in hong kong could affect northern the investments but the health of the global laconi hong kong stability is essential for attracting global investment china knows this but beijing says the calls for liberty and democracy in hong call. We'll be had inside mainland china. Tom julia mcfarland for us tonight juliette. Thank you next to the weather back here at home. Flash flood dangers in wildfires parts of the west firefighters don't chemicals to slow those flames in dublin california. This is just east of san francisco and heavy rains in central washington state setting off this roadway. 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Robot priests: the rise of A.I. in religion

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Robot priests: the rise of A.I. in religion

"Hi this is reset and I'm seagal Samuel filling in for aerial Jim Ross. I'm a staff writer at Vox and I focus on artificial intelligence and technology and how they intersect with ethics and religion. which is exactly what we'll be diving into today? Hi It's nice to meet you. Would you like to be blessed with for mouths. Undesired new ideas nations agree on what you're hearing right now. Our robot priests which are well robots that function as priests. They can bless you worthless. You read the Bible to you the school nine and even perform your funeral you you. They're showing up all over from Buddhist robots Japan to Hindu robots India to Christian robots in Germany. Now having a robot as a priest might sound crazy to you but believe it or not. Robots aren't actually nude the religious domain for example way back in ancient Greece. People invented animated machines. That could pour wine over altars and in the Middle Ages Christians design machines to perform the rituals of eastern Christmas so religious. Robots aren't new but what is new is the use of artificial intelligence or AI. In in religion by a I mean a system. That's doing more than just regurgitating preprogramed response to whatever you ask. I mean a system that can mix it up a bet interactions with humans to grow more sophisticated. My Name Is Gabrielle. Travolta I'm Italian. I leaving Japan on in Tokyo as I'm working with the university and my research using robotics in particular Social Robots Gabrielle designed Catholic robot but he prefers to call it a companion for prayer good and peace. And may God bless you and this is Santo Gabriel's robot Santo is short for sanctified. The more fiqh operator. What he does is to provide an enhanced service enhancing the sense that he can keep keep company with a user typically especially Adela people and provides the content of the Bible and can provide relevant On Service to people the robot is shaped like a man and if a man were seventeen inches tall he's designed to look like a Catholic saint wearing white robes and big cross around his neck. His palms are raised. The the heavens and there is a halo of lights behind his head. He standing under a white arch with columns on either side. It looks Kinda like a miniature Roman sculpture picture that can move eat moose. Yes it has two degrees of freedom so he can move to also writing left and the neck up and down to follow the position of the user. If you knew around it just turns in front of you. If you're up for it now I would love to actually interact with the Santo robot. Can I try asking a question here. We go when you touched hand. It's the name name of the father and of some and of the Holy Spirit. Oh Man what brings you here on this beautiful day Well I am thirty two years old. I'm single I wonder if maybe I should get married one of these days days. What can you tell me about marriage? ECCLESIASTES four nine to better than one because they have a good return for their labor if either of them falls down lawn can help the other up but pitchy anyone who falls in has no one to help them rob also to lie down together they will keep warm but how can one key role malone okay. That's amazing it sounds like Santa Kinda wants me to get married parity so okay okay to pray arm available anytime now this is just no. It seems stunned by. That's very comforting comforting. stand-by message message. Now I'm really curious so tell me a little bit what information this robot has stored it's system first of all is it. Ai Powered or are we. Talking about just a predetermined set of data programmed into it. Well I guess it depends Vance on the on the definition you give to ai so if you mean something capable of learning then this is is not the case but also is not a completely scripted software. That for every of Your Ah inquiries it has predefine answer. It's also not the case only something in between because he tries to give relevant of an answer by looking searching through the Bible and other taste and Breyer citations in a way that sometimes you you don't expect expect. What kind of questions have people been asking Santo well? I wrote the rubble to a church inside the church searching Peru and I tested with people so I heard all kinds of questions actually some people. Just stop talking start talking even about private things which obviously the robot is is not able to to even understand so in a certain incense the interaction has to be guided in fact it is guided through lights so behind the head of the Saint. There's the oral which turns on when you're allowed to speak because that's the moment when a sexually recording. Okay so there's a sort of a halo that lights up behind the saint. And then you know that you can ask your question. You mentioned that people were asking some really kind of private questions. What was surprising or weird or unexpected to to you? Well some people asking about afterlife. Some people asking about What did Jesus say about this specific thing like uh Like like interrogating wanting to testing the knowledge. All of the robots or just start talking about personal stuff about the problems within this family or about the health he shoes I know. A lot of social robots are designed especially with the elderly in mind and Because they might have sort of some limited mobility or limited social contact. Was that the audience for which you originally designed this robot. Yes it is originally designed for that audience in Catholic countries in Europe so there is an aging society and many any other is a living alone home and some of impaired can't go to the church. That was the original idea but actually in Latin American country onto the was much more enthusiasm about the robot also by younger generations. Wait why do you think younger people. In Latin America were interested. They're more religious overall And I'm curious you know you're you're an Italian from a Catholic background do you have A hope that these sorts of robots. It's will bring people closer to religion. People who might have kind of strayed from the Path is not my main purpose to do evangelization with the robot or or converting people from other religious. That's all but I believe that's really a shame that among the two thousand years of history of in Christian theology we have so much content which gets lost. Because it's just threatening books that nobody knows so it. It could be a valuable resource in containing all those contents and having handy. Have you gotten skepticism. Or pushback from the religious community immunity did you talk to bishops or figures in the Vatican and and try to get their input. Yes of course go all kinds of criticism from everyone. I met some people as well but criticism mainly came from the academic side who manny manny stated. That science should mess up with religion or somebody just laughs at the beginning. It's really in. The potential is not well understood. Of course I consulted with important persons in Vatican. I met we the Archbishop of Lima because my main concern was doing something wrong. That would please the Catholic the church and I don't want this to happen so what were some of the things that the Vatican archbishops what were some of the things they said these robots absolutely should not do want obvious thing is that it shouldn't replace a human priest and in this sense it shouldn't go too far giving like personnel advices about things which only a human coup are their boundaries that you think should not be crossed. I believe for instance that confession wouldn't be ethical making a robot perform confession and record people seeing so maybe it'd be storing dining database on the cloud. Can you imagine that yeah that cannot that actually raises a ton of privacy concerns for me. Tell me a bit about the positive potential that you see in religious robots. Do you think they have the potential to change human ethical or spiritual decision making for the better for the better. I don't know but fl sure. New Technology will will make regions change as it happened the past because because just think of the invention of printing press how it helped bibles to spread and decentralize the control well and Indirectly push towards the protest reformation. So there's a kind of dual relationships dont Dan. Religions and religious institution can get benefit from new technologies. This kind of things will never replace humans. There is a certain sense also from church that object like this will become an idol to become the target of Brea Korea this misunderstanding to be avoided and in the next version of the robot. It will be clarify even better that the robot is supposed to intermediary to pray together to got not the the addressee of the Prius got so you're praying with the robot not to the robot we do not accept as robots become incorporated in more religious communities. They might start to change how people experience faith they might also change how we make our ethical decisions which is a big part tired of religion but will they change our decision making for the better or worse and will they make religion field to mechanized coming up after the break. I'm going to talk with tech ethics expert to get into these questions going through the hassle of trying to replace your stuff after it's been damaged is is really stressful. It can take time and who who knows if you'll be able to find the right thing again right. The right item that just got destroyed. So one thing that you really don't want to worry about is how you're going to pay for it. State Farm Renter's insurance helps protect the stuff landlords. Don't like your furniture that got drenched by a broken pipe. Or if somebody breaks into your apartment and makes off with a new laptop when you add it all up your stuff is probably worth more than you think. 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It's easy to find one nearby because when it comes to renter's insurance state farm agents are ready to help find an agent or get a quote at State Farm Dot Com that State Farm Dot Com oh mechanized religion seems like an Oxymoron Deborah Johnson a professor of technology in moral philosophy in one thousand nine hundred five Shiro one the very first books on computer ethics and she's been following ethical issues in tech ever since we generally think about religion is having to do with with our souls and then were interacting with what I take to be a sole was machine but then there's all these people that actually actually believe that over time a will become so sophisticated that they will be like human beings. You Know Kevin Kelly. WHO's this Christian at co-founder founder of wired magazine? He's actually said you know there will be a point in the future when these free will beings that we've made these is will say to us. I believe leaving God. Now what do I do. And so he thinks we actually need to develop a catechism for robots because he thinks if we end up creating intelligent machines with free will. We're going to start to have to ask whether they have something functionally similar to a soul. I don't buy. I think this idea that will create something with a with a soul or you you know what with consciousness or whatever is sort of ill conceived. I don't think people really understand what they're saying. Because I don't think Seoul is something that suddenly emerges and you discover it's socially constructed to let's let's think about these robot preset are already coming into existence like Santo this Catholic robot that I had the the opportunity to chat with the other day. Would you say there are some potential upsides to inviting robots to be our priests so if you Go Way back to one of the first day. I People Joe Weissenbach he designed. This program called Elisa and he tried to create a simulation emulate of a therapy psychotherapy session and he was really surprised. When psychologists sorta grabbed onto to this and tried to use it for psychotherapy? In other words. You would talk to this computer and the interesting thing was that some people actually found it easier her to talk to the computer and were much more willing to come forward and talk about their problems then if person were sitting in front of them so if you think about that example. I think there are some possibilities that there would be some value in robotic priests. I'm open to that. I think it would make sense. I mean one story. I reported on in the past dues. The Catholic Churches Sexual Abuse Scandal And you know when you think about a situation like that it's possible for me to imagine you know someone who's devote wants to be able to talk to a priest but actually has an easier time talking to someone or something that doesn't come off off as male patriarchal petit someone who has the potential for abuse of news. So yeah that's conceivable to me. So tell me what are some of the potential pitfalls you see some of the risks e with ai entering the religious domain. I wrote a paper about humanoid sex robots and so it's a similar question. What would happen? If we actually introduced you know humanoids sex robots would people prefer them over human partners and if they did what would that do to the way we think about what it means to be human and I and be in relationships so I I would think you would have. You'd have a similar question for religion you would begin to sort of say. So what is religion is it just going through the motions because a robot goes through just just in quotes goes through the motions. It seems like you would lose something there. I love this parallel between the sex robots and the robot freeze the so. That's the other fascinating point. I think you bring up. Is this point about intention so in a lot of religious traditions. Particularly Abraham ACC- ones I would say Judaism Islam intention is super important right right. So if I'm praying it's not only the words that my mouth is mechanically uttering that matter matters what my intention is now. There are some religions especially Eastern ones Like Buddhism where intention is a downplayed a bit more and people tend to believe that the ritual itself has some spiritual. Emily So you know you might think of Tibetan prayer wheels or something like that where the ideas. It works to some degree. Even if there's no one there intending a certain kind of spiritual meaning behind it in that literature on human sex robots you know one of the things that people worry about and this is true for religion to you're talking about machines can customize and personalize so they kind of give you everything that you want whereas in real human relationships friendship relationships romantic relationships philosophers would argue part of that relationship chip. Is that you burden one another. It's the burdening of one another. That makes it a real relationship. In other words. I have to do things I have obligations. I have to behave in certain ways to true to maintain a friend friend. I have to be there if a friend calls me in the middle of the night needs me to do something. That's what I mean by burdening so that none of that would just go away in with sex robots now it seems to be something parallels is what you were kind of getting it there in terms of religion. That there isn't there isn't anything inside going on so what you said about The curated curated aspect the customize aspect really interests me and for me it brings up this other potential risk. Do you think there's a risk that. Ai Ai Priests could shape our ethical decision making habits for the worse in the sense that you know. Robots whose algorithms learned from previous. Data might nudge nudge us towards decisions. Based on what people have done in the past and that could kind of incrementally homogenize the answers to our religious ethical queries. He's and kind of narrow the scope of our imagination. Yes the that is one of the worries in general about A. I did it. Because it's based on patterns. It replicates it just intensifies those patterns these not open to change we used this word mechanization. Yeah and now realizing that that can mean a couple of different things. Mechanization can mean at okay for example a couple years ago in India. They rolled out this robot arm. That can perform this this Hindu ritual the RT ritual so so this ritual involves moving a light around in front of a deity and the robot arm. Yes can do that for you and okay great So that's one kind of mechanising with this. Other kind of mechanising is mechanising and narrowing our decision making king based on the patterns from the past. Like you were saying and then that kind of mechanising. I don't know how I feel about that because for me. Part of the beauty of religion is all kinds of crazy stuff can happen. You know like there's so much variety there's so much diversity in our experiences you've now it occurs to me that a robot like Santos actually doing hidden interpretation work right so even just the decision to quote. Vote this Bible verse in that Bible Verse Yes that's already a decision that my influence me to act in this way not that way even if the robot never says Hey Seagal God you should get married or you shouldn't get married right soapy. I ride that. Is that a problem on some level. Yes yes because imagine and these robots or a is in the hands of people with certain ideologies. Not It's you know it's yeah. It's a tool for propaganda and manipulation Tipu location and all of that. Yeah I mean in a way. It's like saying it's all political. You published one of the first textbooks on computer ethics back in nineteen eighty five. What were the concerns about? Ai Van and are they fundamentally different now. Like are the questions I've just asked you about robot. Priests is that totally different from what he will. Were worrying about. Nine hundred eighty-five were you know the big issue in one thousand nine hundred five. There was discussion one of artificial intelligence. I don't know if it was by that name but the big thing they were worried about was the fact that human uniqueness was is being challenged and undermined that is it. Was this idea that the unique feature of human beings that were rational that were unlike all the other animals and entities in the world. We have this rational capacity and now we have this machine. That has the capacity to do that to be as rational as human beings are supposed to be. I mean that's a whole nother story now but So there was a real threat to what it would mean to be human German. And and that's right. You'd have people. Don't talk in those terms anymore. But it certainly is lurking there in this idea that we're now going to create create robots and that that are so close to being human that will have to recognize them as having rights and things like that which does undermine what it means to be human. I think I also saw that fear lurking in my friends responses when I wrote an article about robot priests posted did on Social Media and some of my friends who are rabbis and imams started saying. Oh No I think I'm out of a job I yeah I don't think so but yeah I think that might be jumping the gun right. I think it is This is reset. y'All sanyal filling in for Jim. Ross if you want to follow me on twitter you can find me. At the Gal Samuel you can also reach the reset team by emailing reset at. Vox Dot Com. We publish episodes code three times a week on Tuesdays Thursdays and Sundays. If you haven't already described to the pod you can find us on apple podcasts. Stitcher on your favorite podcast asked. And if you like what you hear rate and review us on Apple podcasts. It really helps us. We'll be back on Thursday later nerds every time Ariel says later nerds. I'm like I love it.

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