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Episode 82: 3 Dates with Luke
Hey, everybody. It's look the smooth dude rat guy here with another poem Buklod episode of your favorite podcast one to review, Alex is in a remote location right now with no internet. He's deep in Mexican jungle searching for extremely hard to find movies. So it's me and ran and running the show today brand and great to see Luke. Thanks for having me, absolutely, buddy. For those folks who haven't listened before one to review is podcast for rate in reviewed movies. The simplest way possible. We give one point if we didn't like that the two points if we did we rate and review in twenty points. And then we call it a day kick the and Trump Eric gums. Up knock it off brand. And we stopped that sorry. You're right. We got a lot of money. But it's habit habits are hard to. It's true. It's true. Trat a sound travels. Surprisingly, well, in those sub level basements, like the one you live in right? They weren't complaints from podcast listeners. They were complaints for my neighbors, the New York rats. Yep. It echoes in these hallways. Luke, you're ready to review some movies jet. Sure down. Let's do it. What's the first movie? We're gonna review I'll tell you Luke first movie, we saw this week was called pool broS. That's right. Two thousand and nineteen directed by the g the stars Jude law and will Ferrell and to summarize briefly Mark and Darren can't afford a hotel for the summer vacation they planned so they end up trying to stay the whole summer at the pool a fun movie with some serious tones towards the end, Luke. What did you think about pool broS and Riyan board? Okay. This movie takes place in Cancun. And it's these. I guess loser. Type characters you know, they win this vacation through their local radio station. And obviously when they get there. It's not all it's cracked up to be at sort of in the dangerous part of Cancun, and they end up getting robbed. They end up at this resort with no room to their name with no money and no way to communicate with the locals. So what are they do? They decide to dress up as pool boys to pose as the help at the pool and stay there all summer until they can get enough cash together to get out. And of course, they run into their encounters with the law. They run into encounters with ex-girlfriends all these things pose some comical situational comedy, my favorite of which is actually the the kind of twist near the end. Will they discover the sauna right at a lot of these resorts, there's shutdown areas. And this is their big ticket out of there is the sauna they discover the sauna, and they find out that not only are there hidden Mexican stocks and bonds that have been socked away in there. They also find out that it's a pretty nice money making venture for them as well. They're able to sort of do sexual favors for different guests in throughout the movie, they have all these female suitors, and some male suitors that, you know, always coming up with proposals for though indecent ones. We could say some funny allusions to risky business and some other popular movies during that scene. I will say throughout it. There were a couple pop culture references that keep popping up. And I wasn't sure if they were aware that the joke was kind of old because there's a lot of like kind of Beavis and Butthead Bill. Ted, dude, where's my car? Type hodgepodge of all they try to come even when they try to come with the modern memes. The Harlem shake is now seven years old eight years old. That felt a little outdated, and they sort of combined it in the strange mash up of Harlem, shake slash Mark. Macarena dance at fell a little forced. The that was like a major thing that turned me off as well as the cancer. That is true. Big cancer scare the end of the film ends on a pretty serious note. When you discover that they possibly have skin cancer both of them one of it's it's really apparent in welfare character, he has a growth that starts develop. Actually, I think pretty near the beginning of the film. You can start to see it. And throughout the film, it kind of gets bigger. And by the end, it's very notice the beginning of the film, Mr. sort of like a casual chuckle just a reference to this little mole on his right shoulder. And then as the film goes goes along, I think in every scene it gets a little bit bigger, and they never put on sunscreen. They can't afford it. Unfortunately, they try. Yeah. That's pretty funny, actually, they're both like red is cherries or burnt to death. In the first few days, obviously, they have nowhere to stay. And. They had escaped them. Yeah. The hot Mexican son. Right. Exactly. Well, well, shall we spoil it? Yeah. Go ahead and spoil it, Luke. I think it's necessary spoiled. So a lot of these welfare all buddy movies have a have like a positive fun ending this when they actually built die. They straight up died from cancer. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of comes out of nowhere. And it's it's not a very uplifting ending at all. And. I think the direct to'real choices, you know, the G made. He could have taken this funeral scene at the end in a very fun direction. But it ended up being just more shit piled on the travesty. That was this. You know, that was this vacation. They dropped will Ferrell's casket. They drop his characters casket into the ocean. On accident is body pops out. Then it's like berry morbid and Jude law's body isn't in his casket. Maybe they're setting who knows there. There's some inferences that maybe there was some sort of necrophilia going on at the morgue. And it's just a really strange twist. I mean, they could have, you know, both of our antagonists die protagonists die leave it at that. And I'll rub it in leave it at that. They rub it in. And so this was kind of a tough one to stomach. Yeah. I was definitely ready for the credits. Roll when they did a really the spike almost seemed like a parody of like, a large volunteer movie or something at the end like some real depression porn. Yeah. Tragedy porno. Hey, it was funny though, for before the let's give it a number. Let's rate it. What did you think? Unfortunately, pool broS gets one point from me. Yeah. Is just it was just a little bit of a Brown note in come down like a hammer. I'm gonna hit the nail right alongside yours and give you one point as well. Pull brose. Not a great movie, and that's two points for pool boroughs points for pool. Browse well looks you had a long week and even know where to start with this week. So yeah, I mean, if the listeners listened to episode Eighty-one our last episode, they would know that I was set up on a series of dates the one to review crew is trying to help me find love. Thanks for sending in your applications. Your resumes, your head shots, leaving your voice messages, all of this was super appreciated, and we actually had a hard time scheduling all of these. We had a hard time making choices and thank you to all the beautiful, ladies and guys. You know, we never asked for a guy but tense, but we got him. Thank you everybody that that called that sent those emails and photos. Well. Well, it's great. It really shocks me. Sometimes we have fans and they want to participate in the podcast with us. So let's not only that. But it blows my mind that anyone would date. Well, a lot of people want to date. You Luke, let's talk about some of your gates here. Now, what we would what we were thinking about is. You went on five or six dates we had you rate those dates in order from best to worst date and you've kind of assigned some points to those dates, so we gave the movie two points. So let's talk about one of your two point dates yearly. Okay. Just right off the bat changed the names of people involved. And I think the people involved probably know who they are. But I I don't want to incriminate them, especially on a two point date. This was the Carson family Marsin. Devon Carson are the family. Are the sorry are the parents of nine children for whom are single? And I went on a groups. Style date with the whole family all eleven Carson. Now, did you know it was a group from the beginning or? Here's the thing. I I I had no clue. I thought I was being set up with one young lady pepper by her mother. And then when I show up I meet pepper, and I meet the cars and clan to they're all there. Where'd you go there? Always. Yeah. Well, I took them to fortunately book. It a Beppo had the buffet table availables a big family room available. It was a slow night. It was a Tuesday. And we started the day earlier four thirty. So we were able to get in to that banquet room and get everybody seated, and that's an Italian style. Pathet? Well, yeah, it's like an Italian. They like set it up a family style. I guess I said buffet wrong, right? Yeah. They sit up family style with with big. Trays of lasagna. So you have the whole fan great. How how are the people? How was Carson families? Well, the Carson family right off the bat sort of raise some red flags immediately. Devon, the Carson dad was asking for Matt ID and my credit card information. And what he was saying was that he wanted to do a background check on me. Make sure that I was who I said I was and good enough for for pepper his daughter and did require your social security numbers. Well. I gave him the social thinking that he was just going to run it through reputable company, but weird things have been coming up in my Email ever since. Well, I mean for for as long as I was able to access my Email now, I can't even get into it. So I'm dealing with some problems with that. And I think maybe they might be. I don't know. There was just some strange things that were happening with the family dinner. Go you finish your lasagna's. Great dinner was great. Oh, yeah. The food. It was awesome. And everybody a very well. The thing was me and pepper hit it off nicely. You know, we sat there. She was on my right side on my left side was their only son's Bryce, and I had I was able to sort of break away. From the family and sit down out of single table was Bryce and pepper. And then the youngest daughter, Emily. You know, right off the bat. I told Brice that I wasn't interested in guys. But the family seemed to be pressuring me to spend more time with him. And that was a little awkward for me. But you know, I entertain the idea though. Oh needed someone to play fortnight with us, right? Well, he kept putting his foot on my body under the table. And different ways that I wasn't totally comfortable with. But you know, I'm. I can take control of the situation. All right. Just sort of took control the situation and made them put his shoes back on, you know. So at least then when he was sort of doing his foot groped type thing he had a shoes on. So I know the weird thing congress very often under the table when I do it's always a little shocking. Yeah. And it was it was combined with heavy icon. That's important. Let me say this. Are you going to go on any second dates with any of them? Are you calling it quits with the Carson family? It seems to me like you need to probably make sure you're not being identity that the. Oh, I'm almost certain that something's going on with that. I did not get my ID back. And you know, we were supposed to record these dates to. And I did I had the camera had their approval at the end of the day. It was all gone. Here's what happened. Here's what happened. The check came and one by one. The Carson family had go to the bathroom until eventually it was just me and bright sitting at the big table of a lot of leftovers and me stuck with the Bill. And and it was four hundred seventeen dollars bus tiff well expense that rights was Spence half-price with us at least. Oh, okay. Yeah. Of course. I mean, I thought we were drained after the big Bill paying we are going the credit card. Well, I mean, I'm paying that credit card build anyway. And it's it's seventeen percents APR compounded. So. We'll talk about that. Offline Luke anything else you want to say about the state. It wasn't a good day. This was a two point date. So thank you for sharing your experience. Is there anything else you wanna add? Carson family, if you're listening, you know, who you are. Yeah. I know you're not you're not the Tarsus. But if you're listening, please return, my ID, and my credit cards, have least ten the recording equipment is negotiable is the address on right up to date. So they know where to send it and Bryce hit me up. Yeah. They know they have my phone. Okay. Luke. So there you go that's four points for the Carson family. Oh, I'm sorry. That's two points for the Carson family date out of a possible. Let's hear something from our advertisements monsour. Hey, Brandon here from one to reveal thanks for listening to our podcast this week. I'm here to tell you about legit af toothpastes, my new favorite based companies are putting Kim's in your tooth paste. You know it. I know we all know it, you wouldn't let your pets powder pumice liquid fluorine or the same Kim's. They put in toilet bowl whitener, would you know, legit af toothpaste is made from regular stuff. Yeah. Mother nature stuff stuff that humans have been using to keep their mouths fresh and cleaned for thousands of years. Legit contains river water granulated corn husk, peppermint, paste and cocoa butter. That's it. Our special formula rinses clean and leaves your mouth fresh for days. 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Do you have any initial thoughts on nineteen ninety two's drilled thrilling? Gory unexpecting. These are all single words that I would use to describe this film. It was an enjoyable ride. Something that, you know, for nineteen Ninety-two actually was still holds up to this day. I think because of the character work, honestly, though. No doubt, there's a cagey tone to the whole film. Because obviously, they're stuck in this, you know, one of the largest dental schools in Pennsylvania, and as the flood rises they realized that they're stuck there for a while. But what are they gonna do think they're going to break into the medical cabinets start experimenting with these drugs and one thing leads to another? They get a little high, and they start daring each other to perform, you know, extractions and implants all dental things that they recently been learning. And while it's intense. It's also humorous and kind of enlightening for, you know, seeing how a lot of those dental procedures are done. Yeah. I mean, I didn't really even think about that. But yes, this movie is information. Like did. I know what a root canal really was. No. But now I do. I mean, it's it's hilarious. When when it kicks off these guys have been a dental school together for two years the best buds, and you know, when Marcus does the gold teeth replacement on Kyle. And he's got that those forefront gold teeth. I can funny. Well, they're all laughing. They're all having a good time. They're not feeling any pain. They're injecting the drugs. They're inhaling the gases. Yeah. It's getting out of control. And as most do they get out of control really badly. You know night one isn't that eventful but night to they start really screwing up the school. They start making a mess. It's almost becomes like kind of Lord of the flies sort of situation as they discover, you know, almost by the day another floor fills with water. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was kind of a strange thing in the movie, they do rescue, the janitor from the boiler room. But then they lock him. Then they just lock them in a separate room in the basement, and they they just sort of gloss over that for the rest of the move. It definitely killed him though. Yeah. Without a doubt the killing kind of a turning point when you realize, oh, they're capable of doing this. What's going on here? Yeah. But the soundtrack doesn't let on the soundtrack is funky. It's got like sort of this funk. Rock feel to it. It's peppy and it keeps the movie driving forward. On the other the other strange thing is that this movie is very well lit, a you would think that the electricity would be out. But it's got kind of like this party light atmosphere to it and that period, but the soundtrack really makes it a lot of fun super engaging and motivating the motion of it is almost like you're writing a train. Yeah. But like I said, they screw some things up, and they cost a lot of damage, and so once they finally run out of the laughing gas, and they come to they realize what they've done, and they need a patch things up because the water is coming down, the rain has stopped and rescue crews are on their way, they're they're feeling pain. Now like their mouths have holes in them, the a lot of these procedures were kind of half finished. So they are in a lot of pain coming off these drugs, and they're realizing oh shit. We're gonna get saved. How do we explain this? What do we do? They try to hide their tracks. They don't do a great job of that. Yeah. This part of the. Is filled with a lot of screaming, which actually found was pretty funny. But. But yeah, they they need to they need. So they they've got like three major mistakes. Okay. They destroyed the front desk, which is where you know, the anal retentive clerk sits, and she's, you know, she's got like family, photos and stuff that's all covered in toothpaste. She's got her stuffed bears. They've all been destroyed with fluoride in bleach, and they totally ripped up all of the files and all of the patient files behind there. And they need to reorganize those, of course. Yeah. Water doesn't reach their floor. So they figured they know the lottery is going to destroy all this, anyways, let's have some fun. So they have a fun creative. Montage fixing that, you know mixing up the files and putting whatever basically whatever files that look like a match back together. And then ultimately realizing the best way to solve the problem is actually flood the floor themselves. So they started siphoning water onto that floor to make it appear as if the flood was worse than it was right? So they just flood the first four, and basically that's that. But on the second and third floors. They have even more problems. One of the biggest problems is with Caleb. He accidentally swallowed during one of their dares accidentally swallowed a large amount of the silver filling which is expensive, and I guess toxic. But most of all they need to get it out of him. They don't play the waiting game. To not play the waiting game. They try they try the back pump method. Luckily, they don't have to open them up, but they do try the back pump method with a series of those little water jets that you put in your mouth. I think that's really all I need to say about that. And that's pretty gross scene. But like I said man, they pump it up with some music, and it's gross. But it's fun. Yeah. Super weird tone of this movie. But I found it enjoyable in the end do you want to give it a number? So we can talk about something else. Luke. Yeah. You know for all of its hangups. This is from a different time. This is from time nineteen Ninety-two when you could be gross. You could be violent you could just gloss over manslaughter, and it's all good. So I gotta give it to points for its entertainment values rock and soundtrack. I definitely see where you're coming from Luke. I want to agree with you. But there's one major problem. I have with the film, and that's the ending of the movie because to get saved, and it it almost like freezes the screen where they're at. And then the credits roll like there's no real conclusion to the story. Like, yes, the ambulance and everything arrives to rescue them as soon as like they show up. It's just like freeze frame credits. Roll. One point. Yeah. Ending left a lot to desire. But I mean, just like the how they wrapped up because I mean, not only did they they have missing teeth gold teeth. They looked like a wreck, you know as expected. But I mean, there a strange things like going on with their teeth people would question that. But not only that they're dean's office was totally destroyed where they got all that dental wax all over his priceless African rug. I just wanna see like a conclusion really felt like it was building. And then the resolution kinda came but one point for me in the end. So there were some fun little snippets in the credits of them uncovering the mass and just showing the cleanup crew going through the dental school. I'm allowed to give the movie one point, Luke. So what I'm doing? Yeah. I know I know Tom try so that's so what's what's that three points. Three points four drilled. Three three points for drilled, Luke. Let's look at the chart you made. Do you have any three point dates? You wanna talk about? I do. I do. Okay. I had I have the three point Chicago's dog. Jay stacy. Thank you. Stacey. For a wonderful time. Sorry about the sports heifers. I didn't realize that they squirted bike that. And then I have a three point date with the Luhan farms daughter two thousand. So when I say, we set this up I sort of set my Pramod or is very least twenty five to forty five. You know, I want I want a young lady who. Mature. I mean, I think you know, there are some rare exceptions or the young age, they're Mishra. But I think you know, I'm I'm getting up there too. I don't wanna be robbing the grave. I don't wanna be robbing the cradle so twenty five forty five now, the Luhan daughters sort of representatives themselves and within that age limit, but Deb Maggie and Linda were all over that women dead. Deb said she was forty five. But she never let me see your ID when I tried to like pull it out of her purse. She was probably fifty two Maggie said she was sixty. She looked more like sixty seven and Linda said, she was fifty two she more. She looked more like fifty nine. Okay. So you went on a date with three elderly, ladies and not elderly. But you know, they were like they were like they have a silver. They call it a silver FOX over silver Cougars. They were like silver Cougars, and they are farm. Farmer. They work on a raise they raise sheep dogs. And they grow chili and corn sounds cool. What I mean? Nice. And of course, a bunch of other for the most part, they were nice. They were. I mean, I would say it was the longest data I've ever been. Yes. So far. Yeah. So you are giving us three points. But one from what I understand. You did go on a couple dates with this group is that right? It was like a series of gates. Okay. I we had a kind of groups date just at their home place sat me down, and they they fed me. A really nice meal we had tamales we had been intimate. And we had corn. And we just of talked about what they what they expected out of me, work wise what they expect that of sexually. There's schedule their routines their schedule. What my schedule was going to look like and that you choose your first date. Yeah. I mean, I date, you know, and it was a little. It was a little surprising to to see that their expectations were so high right off the bat. But you know, they kept it like we had some laugh on board. Say I was on board. I would say I was a little more intimidating intrigued perhaps. Like scared us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. So that was the first night in I was able to sleep in in their son's room in this like it was just like in the twin bed. It was the sun. Oh, he's long grown up. I think he's a banker in Boston. Okay. Yeah. They all three of them. How are divorced as they've already raised and had a family. And I it was kind of a cool story. You know, they got back to each other to to bring dad's farm backup to chalk. But they can't do all the work themselves. So I guess that's kind of where they wanted to be in the picture. And you have farmhand experience. You have a little actually, right? Yeah. I do. Yeah. I've done it all, but yeah, they they took me on like a fence building date where post holes, and we sort of just chatted. I thought things were moving along the things are getting kind of hot twins, Deb tried to hold my hand. But then I just realized she was actually passing tools to work or. Well, I mean work is rewarding and itself and presumably you have some make outset relationship a relationship before. Yeah. Okay. They sort of passed me. I would say they passed me around and. Ladies, man. So the makeup sessions were mostly being dominated physically, and they had they all had very chapped hands in the very dry lips. Which was it was nice. It was rustic. That sounds unpleasant Lugar going to go on a second date with any of these women or fourth or fifth state. How many days did you go on? We went on six days of dates. I would say it was six days of dates, and then I was feeling exhausted. And I had another day coming up. So I had to you know, sort of called the police and give me a ride out of there. As far as future dates Balu Han farm daughters. I am interested. But unfortunately, there is a restraining order preventing that from happening. You gotta do what you gotta do. No judgment there. I have more. I didn't do it. I have more training orders on me. So I didn't do it to the local authorities stepped in and said they I needed their action at home. Dealt with them before. It sounded like it it sounded like sorry to hear about that loop. With a lot of fun, man. And love that's what it is. You take your Knox and love and. If they had been a little more honest about their age, I think things would be different, but Deb Maggie, Linda, I I love and I wish the best. But stay away. If you find that special someone. And of course, far of the legal guidelines. One hundred yards at all times of a hundred yards at all time. All right. Thank you for sharing your story. Luke, you know, who else wants to share their story. One of our advertise murders advertise murs. All right. Let's do it. Here we go with asthma ties mint. This episode of one to review is brought to you by fire pants. Find out who is the liar. Finally, get to the bottom of anything, you send us the fact ruts we settle the score. All decisions are fine down fire pants. That's an app now to right, Luke. Oh my gosh. They're blowing up. Yeah. They're on all the platforms, fire pants. I'm kinda scared to I'm scared to have someone come after me with fire paints. It's pretty crazy. It's like the people's court in the palm of your hand. And all decisions are absolutely final. Yeah. And I think the people making the decisions aren't even in the United States. I think they outsource all the decisions. Yeah. It's been outsource to Bangladesh. But whatever they're blowing up there. They love our podcast, and we love their money. So thank you for sponsoring us, fire pants. Thank you, very pants, Brandon. You got another movie for us. But I don't have a movie for you, Luke. But I do have a TV show. You wanna talk about the show? Of course, thanks for joining me this week we sat down and we both watched a couple episodes of escape the outdoors. This is a interesting premise. This was what happens if you take escape the room challenge and invert it, and it becomes, you know, break in to the room. And in this case, it's not a room so much as it is your neighbor's house. Luke, did you enjoy escape the outdoors? Oh, this is the best. This is the best show. I've seen in a long time. It's got all the elements that make a show riveting. Okay. You've guy -ality reality. You've got money on the line the contestants wind money. They win prizes. They get to keep whatever they find in their neighbors house. This is and then of course, there's the element of the unknown. What? Or who is inside the neighbor's house is it empty are. They armed and all the stuff happens in escape the outdoors. Now, I would say I would say the names the name is a little flawed because they're not so minutes. They're not so much escaping as they are breaking and entering. I just don't think you could call a call a show breaking and entering. Maybe. Again. I think escape the outdoors is appropriate in the sense that it's humorous. Yeah. It's sort of tongue in cheek. It's a reality show. Yeah. But it's a good one. And as someone who doesn't want a lot of television is seen every episode that has been released of escape the outdoors. And I really do enjoy it short. It's punchy. It's like twenty three minutes. There is a formula every week. So you know, what you're getting into but they just tweak it enough every episode with either. Hey, there's a dog in the house or eight this house's completely unlocked or this house is empty some of them. I feel like maybe they staged the neighbor's house somewhat. But regardless it's still enjoyable python. Python episode was a little phony when she say it seemed fake, but you never know we have friends that have pythons. Yeah, we do have a couple friends with pythons. And I don't think the pythons look that foamy. And I don't think pythons get that big data. They don't get that big. And they don't cause. Somebody's leg to fall off like that. Just look fail IQ. But I getting nor that because it's just a fun show. And it's over before you know, it so there's not even. Episode looked real that one. I think was real the reactions when they on his face and he breaks in there and is staring that pit bull straight in the face. It was seem real. Yeah. And the reaction on his hand the way it was bleeding and main gold when they got up close with the camera L, agree, electrical too, absolutely. I don't know if there's going to be a season two of the show. I didn't do any research to see how popular it is. Oh, so it's on Hulu. So hopefully, people will confined it watch it. I hope so it's cool. It's a cool concept. You get to take and keep whatever you find in there. Think supermarket sweep meets breaking and entering into your neighbor's house. You always want to know about senior. Neighbors house you what's going on in there. What kind of couches do they have not only get to find out? You also get a possibly keep it. If you can get it out. And you know, for the listener, they should know that all these victims of these quote unquote victims of these break breaking and entering 's they're well compensated by the production. So put them in a nice hotel for a couple of nights a head of time. So there. Yeah, it's nice. It's fine. It's like it's like the move the bus show love that. Well, I gotta give escape the outdoors two points. I'm really gunning for a second season of this show. I think it's top notch entertainment. It's edge of your seat. It is edgy too. And it's a well deserving to point show. Yeah. Absolutely two points for me as well. I've went on their website, you can actually sign up to be a possible contestant and or have your house broken into. So maybe sign up if you're interested to points for me. All right. That's four point four points for escape the outdoor warrants. So throughout the week. I went on five days. How many of those were four point one four point? That was that was with Cannella, MS Cannella are Genta. I love you baby. If you're out there listening. On a very simple. And I think a lot of times I tend to over think, you know, my first encounter with potential days, and this one I just played at least I brought my dog. She brought her dog. We went out to the park. It was picked up trash. Actually, love picking up trash little known side. I do I do I do. It's like kind of get to be like a little street detective, and you also get a clean up your own too. Look at. I've found money I found lots of change. I've found a lot of a lot of formerly accord money. And I think this might have found. She brought her dog a little Chihuahua. They played in the park. It was on my dogs a lot bigger they hit it on always a good sign. You know when the dogs hit it off right away. You're basically finding a blank check for love. Because you never know you could be burying that person the next day. I would say you are signing a plane chess. For a wedding. Right away. That's how I feel about it right away. You can't tear dogs that like each other apart. Well, and the flip side to you can't go after I mean, you can't start. That's your fresh start of a relationship is your dogs are fighting. You gotta deal with that. Right at the start. It's already in the trash very ruin. So that alone is just it's just a great star. And we did spend a lot of great quality time. Together. We did hold hands of she kissed my face. She didn't why she hand you any tools. She wasn't expecting any kind of tasks out of me. She wasn't trying to fish or get my card or my social or my birthday. The sounds really great. And I know it's a four point day. But Lucas what's the catch? There's really no catch. The was a little strange events that happened as the end of our date. I'm vita they're up to my apartment know, the partners with was within the walking distance type fighter up to the apartment. I thought Alex was gone. We get up there. She sees Alex puttering around in the yard with his his carrots and his radishes. She sees him. And she just sort of split and says she has to go. I can't see him right now as he said something about seeing those. That was yesterday. And I'm pretty sure she recognized Alex from movies and films, and she was just like a little stars. So that makes sense. That was what I assume. No, she ran off. She picked up her dog. And I talked with her sense. But I think this is going place. Give it a day shooter attacks, you know, letter let us for a while. I told Alex about it. And he just said sorry man in patted me on the shoulder. I'm really sorry. He was supportive. I'm going to be supportive as well. So yeah, that sounds great. I think this is going. What she's tall to you? Meet a lot of tall girls are here. They're not that tall. They're not that tall. That was nice. It's good to be a love reading, Luke. You're telling me. It's also good in the podcast because I think we're done we're done we're done. Well, we get older. We gotta do a few things. We have to think our sponsors are real life. Sponsors are patriot donors. Thanks so much rap. 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Yeah. While I think. That's the hall of fame Chris Potter, and that is. Great show for you today. Get some big with the Dallas Cowboys off about Murray's getting some serious phrase star quarterback. Twenty seven with him at all times, you sometimes e extra and he always as your next trip every single one. But we're gonna start the show with the last two teams and the last one game remaining in the NFL Super Bowl. Fifty three is now less than two weeks away to great teams in the patriots. And the Rams also two very different teams. Let's start with the coaches. So you got your five times Super Bowl champion in Bill bell check and your thirty two year old wonder kinen, Sean McVay, Bella check went out of his way this week to praise McVeigh saying he thinks he's done outstanding job and then as a ton of respect for him artsy. See what do you make of the coaching matchup in this one? Typically, try to tell you guys far as Bill Belichick. We know about the sound bites that we get out of press conferences, where he's bored. Are you asked him a stupid question that he deems to be not the best question? But. A lot of times, especially when you're dealing with the best players. We have in the league every week. He faces one of the great players that we think a great player he pretty much stops the press conference to be able to ignore each who this person is what he does an amount of respect that he has for him, Sean McVeigh he's happy for him. Because of what he's accomplished because Bill Bill check realizes at this age. He could not have been a head coach and for him to be able to organize all the things that he's organizing to build a have the type of success that he's had because at that point. Bill belichick. He had Bill Parcells to build to lean on. And all he was doing was running the defense. And he knows that he was up to here. Just Bill to do that. So I think that is genuine. I think that this is one of the great matchups that we have going into the Super Bowl Bella check defensively. What will they do against Sean McVay with a Todd Gurley being healthy? They don't have one of those white receivers that you would think like Tareq healed at they're going to bracket double team. So now from a strategy standpoint it converts to how do we stop the running game? So I think that that Xs and os and that chess match between McVeigh and Bella check is going to be special. I think everyone acknowledges what an unprecedented career. Bill Belichick has had. I wanna focus on McVay here for a moment because I see with certain teams and with the going after the Sean McVeigh either disciple or their own mini. Sean McVeigh the potential drawbacks of it similarly to what? I saw with people that left Bella checks cocoon and tried to find their own Brady. Because what people I think always discounted with Brady was his special skill set. His unique skill set was his brain and not only is work ethic. Not only health but his ability to diagnose plays before the snap and put his team in the right position. Every time one of the reasons why Bill O'Brien couldn't find his his time. Brady, Charlie weis. You Josh mcdaniels everyone said that. Well, these quarterbacks don't have their measurable aren't that different than Brady white? Can't if I installed the system I get similar results. I worry a lot of these teams that are trying to hire Sean McVay light are going to fail fall to a similar fate, which is his ability at this age to handle everything that head coach has to handle while schematically giving his team so many advantages while scheming guys open that is not a duplicate skillset. There aren't five show mcface. Much less tin, there might only be one. And so ceased point that Belgium, couldn't do this at thirty at thirty years old. He couldn't do this at forty two years old when he was the head coach of the Brown. He was I don't know that he was a quick to be a successful head coach the way he certainly was once he took over with the pats. And certainly not the way Sean McVeigh was when he was thirty years old and got the job. I do think Sean McVeigh is a generational coaching talent. It's why he got the job so young and twice been so success. What I also people are skipping over the background. Who is grandfather was he's been around football his whole life. He was at the first matchup between the Rams and the in New England at the Super Bowl as a fourteen year old. So his experience in football, like it's genuine, but it makes sense. Like, you always talk about man, some of these guys careers and stuff. They just don't make sense like where they come from. So for me, I can understand the brain typing that he could. Special in that. But I think the thing that Bella check also admires because he never had that Sean McVay is very close to the players. He acts like a player he talks like a player. He's in a locker room all the time. He listened to music the players listen to that's been one of the things in research. And who Sean McVeigh is now he's going to be on the big states. That's the thing. I know NFL owners will not be able to get we had eight hires six and them going to be offense of coaches for the most part that part right there. I don't think it's transferable and football family that he came from. I think people are disregarding who saw McVeigh is. And how he got to where he is. Now the way you described him relating to the players. I think is one of the biggest differences between Sean McVeigh and Bill Belichick. But do you see anything in McVeigh that maybe one son Bella check, maybe not at the Browns? But when he first really started finding success with the patriots. Go ahead. See helluva confidence man when I played against Bill Belichick and that. Defense when I was in Philadelphia drafted into the NFL man, they played with a lot of confidence. Because Bella check in what he taught and how he taught football allow them to play fast and allow them to play aggressive, and you wouldn't think this because they're ramp to totally different. Because Parcells is overseeing in parcels does the relationship thing that Sean McVay does the teaching and relationship with the players. But man, there were all kind of guys NFL one to play for Bill Belichick. They wanted to play for the New York football giants, man. I'll take less the Bill to go over there and play for them and what they were doing as far as a Pash rush in players like Lawrence Taylor. It was cutting edge a lot like what we're seeing now which on MC vandy ability to relate to the players. Bella check did have that when he was the D coordinator for the giant read Lawrence Taylor's books, either one of them in some of the joke spellcheck would tell some of the the fraternal relationships they would have together because the ages were similar Bella check out that coaching job with the Browns at thirty. Eighty nine years old. So when he was with the giants in the eighties. He was just a little bit older than Sean McVay is now, but I think the similarity site in the confidence factor. Seabrook up kind of in there. I think we do and this is an all walks of life. I think we do a really bad job almost a site elite recognizing there are some special talents. And the fact we do this with people that income from very meagre means to super high achievement. A lot of those people are some of these empathize with people in society. Like, well, I was able to do it. I pulled myself up by bootstraps, and they don't recognize maybe it's because you are special. Maybe it's because you there is something in erenhi, brilliant or talented about you that is one in a million. I think Bella check and McVay or both in that ilk. And I understand you might say Desi absolutely that for different reasons that is appointing or anointing McVeigh too early. But I we've seen so many guys in their first head coaching job after. Twenty five years in the NFL. Have it be too much for him? And if the drop back down to coordinator, they didn't have to build their way back up to figure out what I did wrong. It wasn't too much for Sean McVay, and he is I think he has shown steady improvement throughout. I don't the reason. I brought up the other coaches that were is I don't think there are half dozen show McVeigh's, there might not be too Sean McVeigh's it might just be him right now. Just like there haven't been multiple Bella checks. Lot of people have tried to go install that system, install that patriot way owners thought that just because just like we're doing with McVeigh you touched on a Bill bell. Check. You can now. Go create that around the league we saw that. It's not happening. But we saw this year. They did the same thing with McVeigh. Oh, you worked within that system. You'll be able to sort of mimic that in our organization, it's going to be very popular. It's no different than Bill Walsh. When he was a young assistant. Let's look at the system coaches that he off sprung young dentist. Green. Mike Holmgren all these guys. Andy re where they come from men. They come from one of the branches of Bill Walsh that people if you couldn't get Bill Walsh. How do I by the west coast system? Now, people are trying to do the same thing with McVeigh. You can't get him. Let's get some version of and I want that system. It's an offense of league. That's why right now out of the thirty two teams. I think twenty of them are coached by offense of coaches because they're Intel of offense of football. It should overlap into that roster in the way the game is called. Now the way the rules are now I can understand why owners would lean and why twenty in throat coaches now are offense of mind, and I believe in coaching trees Andy Reid a quarter of the league right now is some branch to the Andy Reid tree, which I guess is some branch in the Bill Wall Street, right? Read or walls to homegrown to read. Like, yes, I believe in that. But it's to me the coaches that have that potentially reach trouble-spots is when they don't then try to start their own tree. Okay. I took this from my. Mentor. I'm gonna take the things that he taught me that apply to what I want to do. And I'm gonna go a savage on philosophy. But McVay ain't been coach long enough to have a tree Zack Taylor is the only one off the coaching tree like Matt leflore. He's buddies was Sean McVay this guy kinda cliff Kingsbury. He kind of looks like show. That's not Sean McVay coaching tree. That's the Sean McVay coaching almost like he reminds us of him. That's very different than what we've seen in the past a lot more about this and much more on this matchup coming up, but on the other side, which claiming Jerry Jones is playing favor sets net hoppers. Process net. Thunder. What Paul George hustles back stops? All Ruka minnows layup, Paul George having just a spectacular season, man. With amazing decision. Didn't go back to California didn't go play for the Lakers Eisenstein small market not too much different than the paces. It's amazing to see him grow his game with Russell Westbrook. Because now you can't say all it's Russia's fault. Now last broadcasts clear path to the rim takes off for the big Tomahawk timing. That's one of those angry vintage Russell Westbrook dunks. Where it looks like he injures the rim that Russ Russ was on one yesterday, go giddy and his we've been waiting to see at now that he's in year. Ten will the explosiveness start to trail off? You can't go to every game inspect to see this. So explosiveness has died down a little bit. Yeah. You got sometime you get a sneak preview finally math clippers Luca Danni change with nice behind the back move to split the D for the easy layup. And then the nice little lefty lay. Go get it Luca. You know, Daryl Morey is going to be on the show later today. I wanna talk about Luca. I I have a good feeling. He's big fans. Luke as we are. But I don't know how much you can say because NBA silly tampering stuff. But he is having maybe should ask him before he gets on ongoing. He's not here yet. I got that handled. See on the Dallas Cowboys. They won the NFC Stana playoff game for the first time since twenty fourteen but as expected wasn't all roses along the way, we're learning now that one of the players was unhappy with his role this season. And that was cold. Beasley responded to a fan on Twitter yesterday with a whole lot of raw truth said honestly, the front office pushes who they want to get the ball to. I haven't been a huge priority in that regard. Maybe that will change, but I'm not sure more boss, come my way in two minute drills were nothing as planned doesn't mean. I'm gonna I'll play anywhere where I can make more of an impact I would love for that to be Dallas or anywhere else. That will give me more pops. To make an impact. I just wanna ball. It's hard with three to four opportunities a game. See you shook your head a little bit while I was reading that. What was your reaction to this? They throw the Beasley game today. Throw ten times soon. I mean, let's not lose perspective on who. You are. You mentioned the rawal truth. Rawal true Tate. They know truth. This Kobe has not been a priority because he hadn't been good enough. How about that? How about Kobe? You look in the mirror say, you know, something I've never been the best wide receiver owned Dow's. I've never been the best to top two wide receivers on douse this year had opportunity in that opportunity. Douses offense enter passing game was so bad. You know, what they had to do crisis alert break the glass trained for Maury Kupa? Yes. So that's the reason. Why Kobe's you're very very limited. You're not a special teams player. You are only a slot receiver. You are not a deep three. You are not a burner. Okay. You are possession slot receiver playing for the Dallas Cowboys who are challenged the throat -able above thirty times because they're recipe. For success has been thrown about to you to four times. That's when the Cowboys are successful. So thinking he would have more opportunities. This is a trait for wide receivers. If you're a four you swear up and down, you should be three if you are three al-mannah m- so good these people hold me back. That's the reason why I'm not a number two. You're a number two. Oh, I want number one money all these receivers. Typically, they get a rude awakening when they try to step up to that responsibility. It's no different than in life. People always think I should get more. Oh, everyone's hold me back a lot of times. People should look them themselves in the mirror and realize that's the problem. It happens to be me. And I'm not that good. I there is nothing. I've been more certain about in the last six months doing this show, then Chris's reaction to this story. What Chris what is the personality trait amongst people that irks you the most elax of what not being self aware? Self-awareness colby. What team in this league? Now, the CF L may be different. But in the NFL what team going give Colby's Lee more than ninety targets because that's what he got with Dallas. He got ninety Jacksonville. Right. Maybe maybe even know fortunate. He was he was on Dallas this year that because Alan Hearns didn't step up because they got rid of Dez Bryant Jason Witten retired for the first eight weeks of the year. He was the featured part of their offense. And he finished the year with his second best season ever sixty five catches six hundred seventy yards three touchdowns. Those are second best grew numbers across the board in every category. What team is desperately in need of the eleventh best slot receiver in football. Like is that is that's his ceiling right now. He is even by slot receiver standards. He's small he's not incredibly fast. He he has good hands. But not like, oh my God. Those are the best hands in the league. I just don't know. And he what? And this is. Where it's one thing to be lack of lack of self awareness. It's another thing to those statements to me were somewhat delusional. Because that is saying is powers unforeseen to others are holding me. I'm better than these other guys in practice, but they're holding me back, and it's not Bryant wasn't better than oh, Jason Witten wasn't better than me. Because let's not forget now, we know on this year's roster. They were challenged. He was not a better. Why receiver Michael Gallup? All right. He wasn't a better receiver than Amari Cooper. And then we saw later on. They tried to get their tight ends involved in offense. The reason why Dallas offense is this way is a lot because of people like Kobe's -ly who don't have a lot of very in the things that they can do. But in Genesis. But it wasn't even the coaching staff is holding me back the quarterbacks off. It's there's a conspiracy. It's that there are people in the suite during the game warn even wearing headsets. It's the old me, and why didn't that work out for you politics. How many fail whether it's high school or collegiate athletes too? You know, that it didn't work out the way that they thought it would obviously this isn't Kobi's -ly is not a failed high school collegiate athlete, but when you talk to him at the older union like what happened to you? That man politics man, politics to me their coaches playing favorites. But this is the owner in GM or playing favorites. It's it's silliness, it makes them look at. So let's take a step back and talk about this Cowboys offense Emmitt Smith came out and said that he felt the problem with the offense this season with they were too predictable. You knew it was going to happen. They also went ahead and fired their offense coordinator Scotland Eoghan this week wouldn't think the issue is with this offense is it personnel. Or is it play calling will for one when the Dallas Cowboys offense was the absolute best when they had the triplets when they had Troy, and Michael they were very predictable to the best offenses that we've ever seen. There's a predictability about them. But they're skilled they're good. They had a great offense of line. They had a great quarterback. And the talent that they had at the skill position was second to none. So I understand you sitting there watching Dallas and everything and because they have a dominant running game you would say it's predictable. Most of the great offenses are very very predictable. So I don't agree with that. They're just not that talented. They don't have a tight end at this point their offense of line has been not as good in the last two seasons. Now, I know people don't wanna talk about that say that. But a lot of their problem offensively has to do it to offense of line and how good is that going to get throwing the football. So all these things. Yes, I'm gonna be predictable offense. If my quarterback is challenged the throat a ball above twenty five times. So that's what we have in Dallas. That's the role truth in Dow's compared to some of these other stories that other people are trying to put out there. Well, formation wise, what was the most predictable offense in football this year. The Los Angeles Rams three. Wide receiver one tied in one running back during the playoffs as far as we're gonna run or we're gonna pass what was the most predictable offense in the playoffs. So far New England. The New England pains Deb who's on the field name. Right. So eighty percent time, then they're going to run the ball, the not gonna give it to James devil. Right. So we know who they're running it in. So predictability is only bad if you can't be affective while being predictable. Now, I if Emmett point was that they don't have enough creativity in the route tree that their past patterns. Don't don't catch anyone. I don't think in talking about that. Okay. Well, that that's a point that I think is a fair one if all make this because that's something that you have brought up in the page. One of the reasons this. Seeing a magic adding something to what happens to be the staple for south. That's what you talked about. And that was your problem with Scotland one hundred percent, and so do I think the Cowboys offense could get more creative add more wrinkles. Do. I think they could have an upgrade. Now that Linda hands out. I believe all of those things, but I don't, but the personnel issue is a real one. And the question about we have all this money spent on our offense of line. It can't be the a lot of things would love to have the best often Salonen football. You got the most expensive yet need to have one of the two or three best in the league. And when goal Beazley's frustrated lot receivers frustration comes from quarterback play. And when they are going to run the ball and be limited in what they can do throwing the football part of that is because of the quarterback. But also we saw Dak become a totally different quarterback. Once he got a real number one as far as he had Beasley at first half of the year. And Dak looked as limited as we've ever seen Colby's Lee needs to look at the Beasley. Don't worry. I'm not talking about DHEC Prescott. He's my favorite quarter spirits. Just the front off the black helicopters, man. Gotta take a break coming up to the patriot chance of slowing down Aaron Donna that's next. Three times larger slayer at joins us. Once again, our great to have you. Do you have a coach or owner holding you back? Yes. I as fact I'd do we all have somebody hold us back. I got some ideas, we got some we got some management some radio stations in Denver. We could talk to expand. Absolutely. Let's talk about this big game coming up. We watched Aaron Donald lighted up for the Rams all season long in the NFC change of game alone at two tackles for loss three quarterback hits. Now moves on to face the patriots. So as we are see say earlier Bill ballot. Check doesn't say a lot. But when he talks about you, even briefly, you know, you stand out this week bell check at high praise for the twenty NFL sack leader saying he's pretty much unblock -able. All right stink. How do the patriots slowdown Aaron Donald used to pray for those guys to be sick? Not permanently up permanently animal. Man. I'm not animal is report. Second for goodness. Yeah. This hope he's got the flu of. Listen, he is the best football player the National Football League. Born on the best non quarterback. Yeah. Well, I don't count quarterbacks football players. But he is he is born on the best player. Literally in the league. He the guy is absolutely amazing. He's a smaller stature, he's incredibly compact. He's unbelievable plot powerful. He plays with phenomenal leverage. His get off when ISIS study film with defensive lineman. I'd always ask or film guys. Gimme sideline view. And because we just watch in zone stuff. Right. Right. And I I want to sideline I wanna see the first guy off the ball. I wanna see how quick reaction, right. There is nobody quicker off the ball. You watch him. He the volunteers nap. Now he's yard into the backfield. Before everybody gets her handle, you believe that's tall. Are you below? That is what you've been seeing guys have a gift for a gift the guys that can do that the warned saps of the world John Randall's of the world they're born with. That that ability to react the ability come off the ball. And let me tell you this guy had twenty what twenty and a half sacks. And he was double teamed about seventy two percent of the time. Anyone in football. Right. I mean, he's he his literally he beats with his quickness speed athleticism. He beats double teams before they get to be double teams like your slide. The line of scrimmage there. And he's already by the guy. So if the guard is supposed to take his outside and leave part of him for the center, he's already by the guard before you can get to the outside. There's nobody in football like Aaron Donald when stink says he's the best player in the league. And maybe even including quarterbacks he's not saying the most impactful, it's just if you say what is the guy's job. How well does he do it? Now, what is the gap between him and whoever is second that we're Donald is across the board. Clearly the best like there's an argument who's the best wide receiver in the league. There's an argument about quarterback. There's an argument running back. There is no argument about his spot D tackle, the Attaran Donald and everybody else by a wide margin. And what he can do the reason that I said I thought he was the most impactful player on the field in the the conference championship round. Even though the stat sheet he had almost zeros across the board is he makes the other team play with one fewer person. The all of a sudden it's ten on nine because he's taking up to people. And so sue played an excellent game in the statute would say sue was way better than Donald but sued for the first time in his career. He's not dealing with the double teams. He's not dealing with the offense of line game plan against stopping him. It's like you're in a spot where it's like, well, if SuperBeets us he beats us what we can't have happen is Aaron Donald wreck the football game. And I tell me if you guys disagree Khalil Mack. And the and the outside address Shire's von Miller, those guys are special special players that can impact the game. But when you're guy that can get to the quarterback at that rate is doing it from up the middle. It seems like that can have an even more detrimental effect of the offense. Because when he's getting off there is no it's going to take some amount of time for clue max come off the edge for for Aaron Donald when he does split the double or when they tried to do a reach black. They don't get to them. He's at. The quarterback instantaneously, no matter. How quick your off is your releases? He can be right there. He absolutely it's not hyperbole say he can wreck any football game. He's at we talk about the one thing the patriots too. So well, they'll take away your best weapon. No matter what it is. But that's on offense. Does the same apply on defense? Are they going into this game saying our main focus is going to be a guy like Aaron Donald? It's always applied both sides of the ball. Abella chang. Aaron Donald is tyreek hill, right? We saw tyreek hill eliminated to one catch in this in the second meeting because they got used to the speed. They changed the double team. And they changed how they're going to attack him. Aaron Donald is in a rare rare class, and I've been very very fortunate that I play with two hall of fame defensive tackles in John Randall and Reggie White. Now, he's neither one of them as far as staus size or how he's going to. But he has some of the attributes, and I believe in the game that we have today in the NFL. There's one name a couple of names I can compare. Them too. But JJ watt is the only guy in the last ten years that would rival Aaron Donald is far as reputation in the NFL. We also have Fletcher Cox in Philadelphia. He's won the top two or three defense of tackles. I'm just going to show you how Bella check and what he's done against these players JJ watt seven meetings a half a sack a couple of times defensive MVP. He said the same thing go back and lift you listen to the notes almost the same dead about JJ what? So Bella check has been a genius in Begnaud to lemonade not only offense of players but defensive players in how he's going to attack them Fletcher. Cox people talk about Philadelphia new rush. What he doing last year Super Bowl, go back and look at it? He had a one tackle no sacks didn't really have a significant meaning in the game. There are other players played. Well, so that's what I'm looking for Aaron Donald the combination of what he's going to do a -ffective. Noor blocking and what endowment consumed does. Because I believe that this combination. This is the only way and Todd Gurley. You're going to be able to beat New England and build a match the physicality white. They have one of the things you do in. And so I've gained planned against Reggie White of game plan against Lawrence Taylor. I've game plan against junior CEO. And one of the things you do with these guys to slow them down is oftentimes you'll put a game plan in that runs at them. And you wanna give them as many different Luke's as possible. I want to defend the run at the point of attack. I don't want them to chase me down in the backfield because they're so fast. If you're trying to block back on Aaron Donald run away from hill beat that block backheel tacky for three or loss. So I want him stagnant. Right. Static waiting to take it on. Yes. That's one of the things I want. Now, I want to do that in a variety of ways. He so up field. Can we put in a trap game? Can we put in a whim game? Can we get him up the field invite him the field because he so explosive and then have tight end scramble as. Raines. Right. That's what I wanna be able to do. So I wanna be blue affect him as much as possible in the running game running at him and giving them a variety of look. So at least I hope that he slows down a little bit. He's going. Okay. Where am I going to get hit from this? Are they gonna win from the outside a my outside more run outside play. So tied-in comes across the formation this way hits me in in my in my ear hole on my right side. And then all of a sudden the next one we're gonna come this way. We're gonna hit him on my ear hole on the left side. Like where are they coming from can can I slow down? So then all of a sudden, I get a five step drop with two hitches. Can I slow him down enough to where we can actually block him? That's the question. And when you're an offense of game plan team, you attack guys like that you tack them in the running game in hopes that that slows them down in pass rush in Aaron Donald and the where he is benefited. And we're the Rams have helped him out enormously is trading for Fowler, acquiring sue. So if they are. If the patriots entire game plan is to stop him. You can have other guys making impact we were talking before the show the most notable instance of defensive line really affecting the pants in the Super Bowl or in the playoffs. I should say was the giants in seven and that NASCAR pack dry. And that was because even if even if the patriots one of the game saying, we're not gonna let straight hand kill us. OC was common. Kiewit Nuku was coming. They and other people Justin tuck was coming. And so even if the patriots to a brilliant job of JJ watt Aaron Donald far slowing him down. Okay. So that's when the Rams off season comes into play and their midseason with Dante Fowler comes into play. All right. Take a break. Another easel speaking. Interesting. The Daytona five hundred kicks off the twenty nineteen NASCAR season. It is February seventeen on FOX more back here with Mark Schleyer. Three are going viral, Sean McVeigh's the youngest coach ever to lead his team to the Super Bowl. The last time the patriots and Rams squared off. In the big game. Mcveigh was fifteen years old and a quarterback on his high school football team will option kept it a look. Eighteen that's before they let five six guys play quarterback in the next hour. Talking trash fell locker whereas up and down. He got robbed genetic round of. He was Tali swears them now talking to players. I'll be in the league, man. I'll be playing another option keeper look it. Look like Colby's is to ownership keeping me. They let them throw pass job great for temps a game boards. Johnston highs you. Picture the whole commercial break had no idea who was until we read that does not even look like Sean MC two year old show McVeigh making it happen Tanny Partridge because any sure okay. Thank you. Danny or the little one. No time for stories and start your moving. Let's move on quickly before anyone else can make any Maryono Rivera. I know became the first player to be unanimously voted into baseball's hall of fame the closer went five World Series and was an all Sar thirteen times sandwich. Make this. He's amazing. I'm a Yankees fan. Also. So man, I got a lot of enjoyment. A lot of relief when they went to the bullpen to bring him in the Bill to shut things down to see them a number of times live. And if you think that he was a great player as a human being just as good Chan gradually changed baseball man with that cutter. Like everybody throws a cutter now because of him he threw two pitches fastball cutter go ahead. Good luck on believed. Nine twenty nineteen more another year. Both Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens did not make the hall of fame. Both got just over fifty nine percent of the vote when seventy five percent is required. Nick, we think we'll these to ever get into the hall. I don't think so an it's criminal. I mean, you got fourteen MVP's and Cy youngs. Between them got bonds who has more walks than Mickey Mantle has games. He got Roger Clemens who is the all time leader in Young's and one of them VP the pitching position. We know. There are steroid users in the hall. We know it to keep out arguably the greatest player ever. And arguably the greatest pitcher last fifty years is an absurdity, but they keep doing here's an I'm with you a hundred percent they vote deserve to be in the hall of fame. Here's the other thing like the voters finally unanimously selected. Mario Rivera maybe now, they'll take away some of these biases. You can't tell the story of baseball without these two. I'm totally against both of you with the. With getting up early on with staying late. All right. He got assistance. That's the reason why his numbers are greater than Mickey Mantle. And all that. Yeah. He's taking a shot in his but. Out of here. And the NFL that chiefs mired defensive coordinator Bob Sutton, following their loss to the patriots Casey gave up over forty points per game in their losses. This year stink. Chiefs have to make this move. Yeah. I think one you have to have better personnel. I don't think there's any question about that. But the fact that you didn't seem to adjust during those gains where you were giving up those points, you come down to overtime, and you got him in third down and ten three different times on a seventy five yard drive, and you can't get off the football field about blend. Yeah. You're sitting there off that you're sitting there playing too high. Right. You're playing man cover to the whole time going. Okay. We're going to stop them with this change it up. I mean, if I'm going to go down, I'm gonna go down with a fight. Right. Somebody's getting a bloody nose the end of the game. Even if we lose it. I try not to call for people's jobs. I said yesterday on this show that I thought Bob Sutton would be fired today. He was fired one day early that chiefs need a fresh mind at defensive coordinator stick with up on out to the eagles. A bombshell report came out this week calling future of the franchise Carson Wentz both egotistical and selfish cited anonymous players a number of his teammates have since come out and defending. Their quarterback yesterday. It was Jason Kelsey spoke out ripped the report saying I go to war any day of the week and twice on Sunday. With guys like Carson Wentz Markle was your reaction to this Maria should somebody. You know, there's somebody within the organization that's disgruntled. It's kind of like you talked about Colby's Lee. You know, it's always somebody else's fault. Corson wants having met with the eagles having met with Carson once and just watched those guys rally around him a year ago. I did eagles game with Carson once they absolutely love that guy for the majority of that team. They love that guy. And that guy's an unselfish football player that puts the team first. So I don't know what you would like I heard talking about this yesterday. And you know, it's a disgruntled wide receiver. That's not getting his shine that he thinks he should get or because Nick foles comes in and distributes the ball little bit differently than Carson Wentz. Does your mad about that? But the bottom line is. I think the guys who have stood up guys who come to the fore for. The guys who aren't cowards that leave things in ass-. You know, the guys who have come to rally round Carson Wentz. Those guys that I would put more Meriden those guys trust more. There's a number of things coming out of this report that I don't like does the reporter have plenty of time to build ask questions. He could've went to all the press conference. He could a question Carson Wentz. There's a number things he could have done to validate. This report that he decided not to do. So I know my I don't have a school named after me as far as broadcasting journalism, but just some of the basics as far as following a getting someone to be able to go on the record those things would have helped his credibility. Now. I am a person that will have X teammate say some of the same thing. They said about Carson Wentz. Oh, he's selfish. You damn right. I'm you'd better be selfish to be a good football player. You have to be selfish. You can be selfish within the team concept. But you've got gotta get yourself ready. No one else is getting you ready. So I do believe there's a great deal. Of selfishness that you have to take into being a great team was it about ego. No, it wasn't about ego. But anytime, you're good at something. And you have confidence, you know, what people say, oh, he's got an ego. Well, tell me who you know, does not have an ego. So I'm not necessarily believing in the reports anonymously players and everything I believe there was one right? We why receiver that might have a problem with it are two that's the way they go. I believe the eagles. Biggest problems their offense coordinator, I believe that might grow. We don't know if he is cut out for this. So even guys can plane is basically the backlash of losing your quarterback coach Frank, right, and John D Felipo you lost both him. And then you bring in someone who's never called plays in in a fail. They're always typically been problems. And I think that's more of the problem in Philadelphia now than Carson and one of the other things in this report was that once def- elite bow and Reich went out the building Carson was able to kind of run. On over might grow. Which speaks to seize point. I I think this actually can be a positive moment for the eagles. Because there's so much noise surrounding foles and Wentz foles is going to almost surely be on a different team here. Now, they have a rallying point around their quarterback. You have the leaders of the team Fletcher, Cox lane Johnson gyp, Jason Kelsey, some of those prominent most established most respected guys on the team going on the record saying, this is our guy, and the other reason I think it can be a positive is even in criticism that you think is unfair even in anonymous criticism. I think you can have a moment of introspection saying how much of that is true the person that's that. I carry myself like I've won multiple Super Bowls, and I wanna playoff game, even if it's mostly unfair. But how I carry myself this report, wait a second way. Say this reporter, what does he know about how you security? Well, that's not words. Reporters words do Jimmy Choo. But you shouldn't carry yourself champion shooting. Channa? Do you have to win? Do you have to write that made you change when you got suppo? I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. What I'm saying is even if the majority of this is unfair or even if the majority of this is untrue. If encore some went, and I'm saying somebody somewhere it whether it's one guy or half dozen guys said this about me, what about it. Do. I just totally disregard. What about it? Do I say, okay. So in that article when they said there was a veteran player that come tried to talk to me like Brian Westbrook's talked about yesterday, and I acknowledge him is that something I do do I need to have a more of an open ear, even if even if most of it is, of course, I have a big ego. That's how I got here from North Dakota state. Of course, I'm selfish. That's that's what ninety eight percent of pro athletes are so I don't think this has to be a negative is specially because so many guys have come on the record saying Carson is our guy. But I also think it's something Carson can grow from even if only part of it. Even only ten percent of it really resonates within my question. And maybe you guys can answer this. We pretty much assume that it was the wide receivers that spoke out or whoever don't guys I said that too. I assumed it was either Sean Jeffrey or someone else that it wasn't getting the wall. It wasn't that Gertz. We know that for sure how does that not split a locker room? I mean, if we know that my point is that Carson Wentz not much into this locker room thinking, there's some type of is like this really fine, balancing, everything get a bunch of crazy guys. Okay. Well, I don't think it was shown Jeffries, and I'm not going to say who I think it is. Because it's not fair to them. You have a lot of function dysfunction within NFL locker room that is normal. Right. They got a job to do as a wide receiver. I got a job to do. Carson Wentz is the quarterback of the future to me. The number one thing is not that Carson Wentz looks at the article and reads about the number one thing is Carson Winston get better as a quarterback, right? He isn't a critical gear this year to pass where he. Couldn't finish it up. This was a critical year for him to me. That's what we should be talking about how much better does. He get releasing the ball how much better does he get in reading pass covers how much better does he get as far as protecting his body? Those are the things I think will be long lasting. And we'll be the subject matter as we move on compared to these other talking points of had a veteran guy come up to me. And I didn't listen to him. I don't think those things are really relevant to clarify. I wasn't saying it was shown jerem just shouldn't. It's not a name that just did come up. What we? Well, I think there's a couple of things here within a locker room. There's always like, Chris there's five guys that are touched that, you know, they're touched. And you got a nurture, you know, I mean, it's just the way every locker room is. And then on top of that there's always guys in there that you're not gonna pick out curtains with their certain guys in the locker room that I'm not like, I'm not hanging out with you. You know, I respect us a football player or spec user man as long as you do your job, and you go out there and you ball, we're good and we don't have a conflict, but we don't. Yeah. We're not going to hang out the it's not part of what we're gonna do. So that's that's part of the I think with Carson Wentz anytime you come often injuries. Significant is injury. Is there is a there's a growth process of learning. How to play that way? And that's the heart. That's the hardest thing. Most guys have great success their second year after an ACL reconstruction. Most guys aren't Adrian Peterson. They're not freak shows. Most guys, there's a psychological, I think the psychological barrier to overcoming an injury and reestablishing what your new hundred percent is. Because a lot of guys come out of injury. And they think well if I could just get to one hundred percent, and my advice to them is you'll never get to one hundred percent. But you know, what if eighty percent of what one hundred percent used to be for you. If you can get to eighty percent, and that's good enough to play. That's your new one hundred percent the establish it there and say, I'm good to go. Let's and you have to you have to be over you have to get over that hurdle. Mentally and say this is where I'm at. It's. Plenty good enough to play. I have to alter my game a little bit. And that's okay. And so until you're willing to do that you're always going to be dragging that I'm not quite one hundred percent along with me and you'll never play to your potential instinct makes a great point. That's also the growth of the player will you realize I'm not as athletic as I used to be. So now the fundamentals as you come back from injuries, and as you get older, they become more important. So now, you can actually become a better player because you understand and can function at a higher level because of the setback of the industry. Anyway, here we are now that this article came out, we're all talking about it. Nikki mentioned that Yukos could use this as a rallying point. I guess I'm just curious how how this can bring the team. Because if if I'm Carson Wentz, no matter what guys are saying, no matter what friends and family saying that a they're they're going to be excited that you're back there. Glad they know. You're there guy. There's there's a voice in the backyard that like those guys are the guys in the locker room. Do do they do they believe in foles more than me? And now you have essentially the entirety of what would be the eagles leadership council. Fletcher Cox Jason Kelsey lane. Johnson la- Jason Peters only guy whose name come to mind that didn't send out a tweet about this. That is on the record saying we love this guy. This is the guy we want. And so to me if I'm Carson went, and I heard people on the like some anonymous person on the staff things Knicks jerk, and then Chris comes out, and you come out publicly say absolutely not. We love him. I say, okay. You know, what I mean, whatever whatever consciousness, I had whatever was whoever wouldn't put their name on it. What do I give a damn about them? Exactly what the people that matter. They've got my back. That's the point that I made for a guy who probably was emotionally down for the second straight year couldn't finish for the second straight year. The team seem to click a little bit with Nick foles. Now, he's got validation it came into non form, but validation from guys that matter in the Lockman that they've got his back. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember leave us. Review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple podcasts. 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You are listening to a free Berge of majority report with Sam cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes daily program. Good dot S M, please. The de rub with Sam cedar. It is Monday January fourteenth two thousand nineteen. My name is Sam cedar. This the five time award winning majority report. We are rod casting live steps from the dust really ravage Ghana's canal in the heartland of America. Downtown Brooklyn USA. On the program today, author Jack Kelly. On the edge of anarchy. The railroad barons, the guilded age and the greatest labor uprising in America. Also on the program today government shutdown now, the longest ever. Continues to be illegal. But bar in Wheeler. We'll get hearings this week. For attorney general and EPA chief. Meanwhile, L A teachers on strike. Looking for permanent funding? I schools in LA. Meanwhile, Trump's VA looks to massive privatization. And John Bolton's been seeking Iran bombing options as recently as September. Meanwhile, Trump Adderall tweets threats to Turkey in the middle of the night. And a federal judge saves free birth control provided by the ACA coverage for now at least. US, of course, calling for a new government in Venezuela. No word yet on hidden weapons of mass destruction. And that crowd source border wall. Go fund me. Well, it's forced to innovate into a new gripped. And Jonathan Chait strikes out again, all this and more on today's program. Ladies and gentlemen, we are all still in the after glow of the alive show that we did yesterday at the Brooklyn Bala house in Brooklyn, New York three hundred and about seventy. Plot more mo-, maybe I don't know somewhere between three seventy four hundred people came to see us at the bell house yesterday. It was a great show Jon Benjamin stopped by helped out. For those of you who are at the show. You know that John felt a little bit awkward about coming out in public. I guess it'd been awhile and had. Well, he he had some very I guess last minute fixes on his on his hairline that he was working on. And I am sad. Didn't see the photo. My god. I didn't see that photo. Did anybody take a photo of the audience? Oh forgot to do that. That was a major foul. We see Johnson Instagram. Yeah. There's john's. Yeah. You can check that out on an Instagram. The I I got a text from John later in the evening, saying the stuff will not come out. And I have a video we should actually play this baby of him over his kitchen sink in trying to wash out its head. So John really went to the mat on this one. It looked like some of it. He just filled it in with a sharpie. He God knows. I don't know what happened with that. Kinda see here though, this line above it's a bit softer. And that's where the hair product is in. Better than the one. He's markings. Right. It's true. We played a a great video from the Chris Lepoqo. 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But I'm not sure if that is conclusive, but leave it at that at the very least also what broke this week was that Donald Trump went to great lengths Cortel Washington Post to prevent anybody from getting any type of read about what happened in his meeting with Putin. And literally took the translators notes private these private classic classic is deputy Jif basis. What does notes, and you know, I I guess it's conceivable that Donald Trump is just such a sophisticated guy that in is trying to do something that is so remarkable that he would you know, as opposed to like what he said to the territory or others that he was worried about the deep state. You know, particularly that early in his. You know, because this is a guy who has probably read quite a bit of the history of the MAC nations of the US government and probably understood from bureaucratic standpoint who you want to prevent stuff from getting too, right? I mean, that's not hard to believe to an reader total reader and well versed in all of these these base pitfalls. So at the very least he's not defensive at all he went on Janine pre Piero's show and Janie Pero, folks. I'm sure most of you know, what we mean in the biz by a softball question. Well, here's what happened when when someone pitches, you a softball, and you are so defensive that you whip out a machine gun and try and shoot at it. Now are good. Have you ever worked for Russia? Mr president. I think it's the most insulting thing I've ever been asked. I think it's the most insulting article I've ever had written. And if you read the article you'd see that they found absolutely nothing. But the the headline of that article at school the failing New York Times for reason they've gotten me wrong for three years. They've actually gotten me wrong for many years before that. But you look at what's going on. You know, I fired James Coney. I call them lion James Comey because he's a terrible. And he did a terrible job as the FBI director look at what happened with Hillary Clinton and the emails and the Hillary Clinton investigation one of the biggest screw ups that anybody's ever seen as especially Gatien, and what happened after I fired him Andrew McCabe. Peter Struck his lover Lisa page. She's so messy. He's loving Lisa page, you need to be remembered that to name Pierrot is sitting there going like, I was joking. I said it has a joke that I not communicate. That's all she saying right now heading up to dunk. She like literally they've cut away. This is all be rolled because she's got this thing going. I'm convinced at this point. She's looking around going what's going on going? Hey, did it, and you know, they're all gun. Most of those people many many people from the top ranks of the FBI. They've all been fired or they had to leave and they're all gun that we're talking about. And obviously nothing was found, and I can tell you this. If you ask the folks in Russia, I've been tougher on Russia than anybody else. Any other probably any other president period for such certainly the last three or four presidents modern day presidents. Nobody's been as tough as I have from any standpoint, including the fact that we're doing. Oil like we've never done it. We're setting records g with oil and exporting oil and many other things. So which is obviously for them. Because they get the money for the most part, but many other things. So I think it was a great insult. And the New York Times is a disaster as a paper, it's a it's a very horrible thing. They said and they've gone so far than people that weren't necessarily believers are now big believers because they said that was a step too far. They really are a disaster. Meduse bent. And still no actual denial. Right. So I'm still has his discu-. I'm telling it's so funny. I'm listening to this crime. Town pot a podcast about the com- Kwami Kilpatrick may oral rain in Detroit. And it all looks like totally nothing compared to this. But one of the things he's he's a lot more than Trump. But he always did that like I think that question is insulting. Right. And I think the fact that you would ask that in front of the people is not only an insult to them and to me, but even you and your job as a journal you've smelting on and on and on. And it's like that except, you know with a also guy who's losing all of his faculties friendly journalist facilities. He I mean, he couldn't see you know to be fair. He couldn't see her right because he was just on the phone because she's she's doing the old. Laughing. And he apparently was just, you know, this is the thing is that when you snort Adderall, I think what it does it makes it much harder to pick up on on social cues. And I think that's probably the problem. I thought have you treated Robert Durst was totally unfair. You are not going to be attorney general now Janine Pirro. So I was gonna make you attorney general and head of the space first. But now nothing nothing, let's not blame a perfectly good stimulant for Trump's shortcomings. All right on writing. Adderall is great. I there's. Sure, that's true. But I would not go on your. That's if you're very well. I'm not sure I was gonna say I mean, I can imagine it's possible. But I think if you're in a very defensive state, and I would not go on national cable TV and trying to fend yourself zone. To that. What does she watch by Fred read mission? She's not big anybody. He. Hey, Mike Johnson. I can't. That is the best piece of is. That's come out of the White House is the Kevin McCarthy though, that Trump calls John Bolton, Mike. No, you would have you look like at Mike moustache moustache make obese way you'd have a moustache like that. Unless you're in a Mike to succeed in the kind of business. We're gonna take a quick break in when we come back. We'll be talking to Jack Kelly on the edge of anarchy, the railroad barons, the guilded age and the greatest labor uprising in America. We'll be right back. From the still sculpture. Just. She. She's fun. Seconds. She said. Not coming. People wanna see with. Calmly. I said how? But. I do. But. So it started. Simpleton? She slept so flow the jet. We are back Sam cedar on the majority report on the phone. It's a pleasure to welcome to the program, author journalist and historian Jack Kelly on his latest the edge of anarchy, the railroad barons, the guilded age and the greatest labor uprising in America. Jack, welcome to the program. Great to be with you Sam. And I I want to get to. But you know, Eugene Debs, obviously has been enjoying a bit of a resurgence. He's all over the place now as to to paraphrase, the president in some respects, a largely I think because of of the moment and he plays a big part in your book. But before we get to to Deb's, give us a sense. I mean, your your book starts right around just before a major. Recession or depression? I guess in the late eighteen hundreds give us a sense of what the of of the labor movement at that time. It's reconstruction were a couple of decades out now from the civil war, maybe a little bit less. What's the labor movement like at that time? Well, the the it was kind of fragmented it was uncertain as to what the really the status of labor was in the country. There were there had been unions both small craft unions. So they can the the carpenters union, and there had been larger organizations like the what was called the knights of labor. So very large very inclusive union. Nobody knew exactly what direction the labor movement was gonna take. Nobody really knew whether it was legal to strike whether it's legal to you and be member of a union and all this was sort of up in the air. Eugene Debs had started out as as a an official the brotherhood of locomotive firemen. And those were the guys that shoveled the coal into the into the burner to keep a locomotive going and he saw over the years, and he was involved with them for quite a long time. And he saw that these craft unions. The unions that were were organized around particular skill or ineffective. The the the railroads were getting more and more the corporations we're getting larger and larger never becoming more and more monopolistic, and they use these small craft unions against each other. And and we're able to manipulate them and depth. Aw. This need for a larger conglomeration of the workers themselves into what was then called an industrial union that would include everybody in the industry, and that would give him the clout. So that was really the origin of the of this conflict that broke out four. And as you mentioned, the the the country was in the middle of the worst depression that I've ever experienced in the depression that of the late in eighteen nineties is Ben eclipsed by the larger depression in the nineteen thirties. But at the time, it was absolutely horrific. Bottom dropping out of the country type of depression and went on for almost five years. I in before we get to the to George Pullman in in in the strike, and and how in many ways. As I guess like are there were different players in our society who were sort of developing their roles in the context of of a labor capital conflict. Tell us a little bit about Jacob cocky, I found that really fascinating. Yeah. That was you know, it was really a a symptom of that. How desperate people were in that that year of eighteen ninety four before the the Pullman strike, and Deb Scott going Cox C was a actually businessman. He had the government was at the time was have had absolutely no idea. What to do about the depression? There was there wasn't wasn't even really much in the way of theories as to how they should act Levy eight it, and there was no safety net. So Cox C. Had a very reasonable idea was why why not hire the unemployed man put him to work in the roads, what we would call infrastructure investment, and you would end up with people having jobs, and you would have a productive asset. When you've got finished with the improving arose which were in terrible shape at the time. The government didn't want to hear about that. He organized a group of unemployed men they walked from his home in Ohio all the way down to Washington DC to to bring this to congress. And that was the first March on Washington now, it's become sort of a national institution as a form of protest. But he was the first one to actually bring it about. And it made the government so nervous that they they handed out rifles to office workers at the treasury department because they thought these guys were would break into the treasury and loot the vaults there. And the movement was referred to as Cox's army. But it was in. No Cincinnati army that they were it was totally peaceful people that just want to be heard and and did anything come of that. I mean aside from the defensiveness I mean, we should also say this is we're now I guess about twenty years out from the institution of an income tax right at this point. And I would imagine like all of these desires to have the federal government take a bigger role, particularly in the context of like depression start to to generate some of this. I guess impetus to raise more funds or to have more sort of dedicated funds. I guess, but yeah, nothing nothing really came of the Cox movement accept it except for that sort of nervousness that generated in the country. Sorry. He was arrested for walking on the grass. There was actually a law saying that it was illegal to deliver a harangue on and on Capitol Hill, which was kind of an ironic law at the time and. The his his I I would say his idea was really ahead of its time. It was more Keynesian then than the, you know, this is before canes and the idea of stimulating the economy when it's depressed, but the Grover Cleveland was president. Then was Dave OT of the gold standard and the hard money stance was exactly the opposite of what was needed during the depression. But he went onto Sasser bait it they did pass a income tax. But it was overturned by the supreme court. I think in eighteen ninety five the the supreme court in that era was very conservative and very backward. Looking and they ruled that the sort of an Technic calorie that income tax was not constitutional was another. I think it was in. Nineteen thirteen before they actually passed a constitutional amendment that allowed I income tax. And I should I just put I should you. Bush put in parentheses for our libertarian friends who believe that the income tax is is still legal because I think there were two states that supposedly did not have quorum for that amend. But that's that's for another day. Let's let's talk about George Pullman and set Pullman up for us because on some level. I mean, he's sort of like a an early prototype of maybe I maybe this is too far of an analogy. But there's something Jeff Bezos ish about him. And particularly when we're getting this sort of like Amazon campus in queens now, but tell us what George Pullman about him. Yeah. That's an interesting parallel. Because I the one thing I would certainly say is they they were both business geniuses and Pullman had a great sense of what people wanted he he went into the railroad. Business of exactly the right time in eighteen sixties and developed sleeping cars. And the the the first transcontinental rail line opened eighteen sixty nine you could suddenly go from east coast west coast in a week, but even traveling in for a week and a and a coach car was uncomfortable. So he came up with these cars that can be converted into beds. That were extremely luxurious. They had all the ause that the Victorians loved, and they were fabulously successful. And he he didn't sell them to the railroads. But he he he retained ownership and operated them on the railroads all the money the people paid for. The upgrade to a Pullman car went into George Pullman pockets, and he became a fabulously wealthy to build the cars he constructed. What was at the time was one of the biggest factories in America about fifteen miles south of Chicago. And his idea was to get out of the center of the city, which like many cities during the industrial era, Chicago we've been clogged with tenements in squalor. And he thought that it would be better to build the factory outside the city and to company that he built a company town, which was seen as a model town. This is the way cities should be built in the future. It was had neat. Little brick cottages for the workers parks playgrounds schools, libraries, and it was right beside the factory, and that that was sort of the origin of the of the dispute the came later twenty years later when he. Or about fifteen years later when he his workers went on strike against him. I mean. Then. So the talk about the development of the strike because I I want at one point bring in the question of race here, which which is important, it seems to me throughout this story and some level it runs parallel. And then there's a moment where it could intersect. I guess or does it. I mean, it's it's it's the I should say the story of race is seems to me to be intertwined throughout and the plight of of of black workers at that time could have been intertwined as well. But didn't and that may have been sort of like the fatal flaw to this strike on some level. But. Tell us the strike develops because people living in Pohlmann's company town, it's a fairly small, I I guess complaint or would have been fairly small for Pullman to rectify, but he was very it seems rigid about well, you know, on principle. He doesn't wanna in any way give a concession to the workers. Yes. That's exactly correct. One of his neighbors said he was the most frigid pompous autocratic ever seen and his personality did have a big effect on the whole thing. The he responded quite reasonably to the slow down by lowering dropping the wages of his workers. But instead of also lowering the rents which in general rents were going down because it was a depression. He kept the re- rents at the same level. So guys would work for for two weeks. So there were paid every two weeks, and they would. Get a check for three dollars, and that was to bite you over for another two weeks and feed your family. This brought up a lot of the complaints of the already had about the the bottle town which was not really such a model. It was filled with company spies. It was. There was no town government that was all run by the company there were these petty rules that they would make up and post around they had to obey and the workers were generally discontent. And they. When they were being squeezed between the rents and the and the lower wages. They decided to go on strike. The other angle that you're you're referring to. And I think it is important. I think it's just a illustration in a way that whenever you go back into American history. I was tripping over the race question. George Pullman, partly as a Republican and a follower of Lincoln. He had hired freed slaves almost all freed slaves to work on his sleeper cars as servants. And that was if. In a way, it was benign act. It was trying to help them out. It was one of the few jobs that they could get on the railroads or anywhere else. But he he had his personality was such the head to make money at everything. So one of the ways he made money off of them was he didn't pay them. They work exclusively for tips at first. And then after a while they got they would like ten dollars a month, and they had no opportunity to rise. The had only that one role has what was called porters. They were Pullman porters. When the Pullman factory workers went on strike, they appeal to the the American railway union, which was this big inclusive union that Eugene Debs would started just about a year earlier that union happened to be having their convention in Chicago, it exactly the same time. The strike broke out and one of the questions at the convention was. Should we allow black workers into the union and Eugene Debs pleaded with them the delegates from all the locals, please? You know, you have this is the union had been founded on the idea of solidarity, including everyone in one big union. You can't you can't draw the race line. Unfortunately, they voted by very small margin. They voted to exclude blacks from the union and the as the as the strike on folded and the union tried to help the Pullman workers by boycotting Pullman cars on the lines. It would have been much more effective if they could have had the Pullman porters on their side because they were absolutely necessary for operating the Pullman cars, but instead the black workers continued to work. They weren't allowed in the union and the the strike ultimately came to not. All right. Let's talk about the the role of the US government the federal government, and and we should on some level. You know, also, I I guess the courts, and and the sort of state and local the the attorney general at that time was a guy named Richard Omay. And he was what to say he was a. A railroad attorney. But he was. Was was he still actively an attorney railroads still? He was he was still an attorney for the railroad to is director of several railroads. And it was almost like being Torney general was like a sideline for him. And so his sympathies was you know, he was supposed to be the chief officer of Justice in the country. And instead he worked hand in hand with the railroads who wanted that they were very eager to break the strike and break the union because they saw this the industrial union as as a pretty good threat to them. And so he worked hand in hand with them all through the strike and appointed a a arou- another railroad lawyer as as as the USO special US attorney in in Illinois to handle the day-to-day fight against the strike. So that was that was a major. Part of the the reason the workers lost because they did stick together. They didn't shut down the railroad and say, they put enormous pressure on both railroads and Pullman. But once the government got in about the the were up against more than they could handle give us a sense of what that push back. Look like, I mean aside from injunctions. I mean, I guess it's, you know, this is one of those classic cases where the court does issue an injunction. But then, you know, then the question is in what army, and it turns out the basically the US army. Yeah. The the the junction really made the strike illegal and not only just legal in general terms, but individual acts of if you didn't go to work, you were essentially breaking the law. You could be jailed without trial because you were in contempt of court. If you talk to somebody about the strike, you could be jailed for being in contempt of court. So that was pretty powerful weapon against the strike. And only also convinced Grover Cleveland, the president then to send in the US army that was a very sketchy. There was a very sketchy legal basis to that. Because the army was not supposed to be involved in any kind of law enforcement as it is not also not today. But the army came in with artillery cavalry, primarily in Chicago. But also in other cities out west and and were involved in putting down the strike. And so to the extent that there was a I mean, so the strike is put down essentially the workers go back without any type of of relief. And particularly in the context of those rents I guess. Yeah. And they also had to sign a what was called a yellow dog contract which was a contract that said they would never ever again. Join a union. It was added on top of. I didn't tell us what happens afterwards because this is one of those examples of like a of. I don't want to say good loss. But the value that can come out of a loss in a political fight. Yeah. I think it's it's an interesting look into sort of the complexity of history. There was no real black and white. In a way, the outcome of the strike was paradoxical because you gene, Debs losses strike and went to jail lost is court fight against the injunction had to go to jail for six months. And yet when he came out of jail, he was he was welcomed back to Chicago by one hundred thousand supporters, and he was lionized George Pullman won the strike, but he was widely reviled for his intransigence. And even a lot of his friends. You know, if he'd been a little more flexible, he could've saved the country all the turmoil. I didn't go into much to the turmoil that resulted strike, but it was so widespread closing down railroad some which so many towns and cities were dependent, you know, the price of food went through the roof. There was several dozen people got shot dead. All that could have been saved if he'd just been a little more flexible and a little more human and is dealing with this. Employees. But he didn't see it that way, and the strike also gave an impetus to the progressive movement, which was coming along came along few years later on the turn of the century and re both railroad workers and workers in general. Received the benefit of legislation dealing with whether they had the legal right to unionize, whether the hours of work, the conditions at work child labor minimum wage things like that began to be to to to come into play a lot because of the shock that the strike had on the country in an wealthier people in particular that they it was it was type of insurrection that they were you know, had nightmares about. And so that one of the results of the strike was the the the progressive era a mega strike on. It can go into a minute is it's affecting Eugene Debs because he he changed his tune to a great extent because of his experience in the strike. Well, let's talk about that. How that how that what lessons he learned from this? Well, he, you know, he saw that if the government was going to come in on the side of capitol. Then it didn't do any good to just organize labor that you needed to change the government. And so he he was one of those unusual characters who became more and more radical as you got older know for most people, it's sort of the opposite. You have your radical in your youth and sort of wise up as you get older, but dubs transformed. This American railway union into what became the socialist party of America and started on a career as a politician and ran for president of the United States five times as a socialist in and built of at least the the beginnings of a socialist movement during that era nev-. Ever. Of course, getting a lot of traction in America. But he was the great prophet of of socialism. Wh what was it that? I mean, I just want to explore that dynamic where his he has this because he clearly sees that a government that that weighs in on lay on the side of capitol. And this one was extremely corrupt, but we can see it in the context of things like even like Taft Hartley puts its thumbs on the scale for for management and capital in in terms of legislation. But he sees what there is is there does he think that there is no. Just expand a little bit more on that that that that that realize ation he has about the what he needs from government. Well, you know, I think he he took the principles applied to labour organizing, which was idea of solidarity that if workers could express solidarity with each other and all join together and not fight amongst themselves. He took that idea and apply to an even larger context of the country as a whole that if the working class could could all pull together and form a party, and and and actively fight against the powers in the government that could bring about fundamental change. And there was a lot of very hopeful utopia. Maybe you Topi, and you could say ideas that. Society could be transformed and this this was the beginning of it. And. The reasons why failed. I'd say on the one hand though, socialism failed. So the ideas that socialists were putting up at that time such as government-sponsored old age, pension, or or healthcare or unemployment insurance did work their way into the political mainstream, but socialism as a as a creed never really got attraction that that that Debs would hope that would. And he's certainly worked as hard as he could to bring it about and people love to hear him speak. But they just didn't want to vote for him. I mean, there's an obvious. You know, we we hear a lot of people talk about this era as being the the new gilded age, and we're you know. I don't know if you know, the sort of the the wake of the financial crisis in two thousand eight and the the the the great recession is analogous. But I mean, what do you see what what tell me what you see in terms of analogies and our in contrast from that era and this one well, I think that. What you're saying is very true that this, you know, this idea of were in the new gilded age the the. Lack of regulation of capitalism. That was true. In the gilded age was really the main problem is there was just no the government didn't want to get involved in anything. They really know. Exactly. What to do today? We're in the opposite. Where we had we're moving towards increasing regulation of capitalism. And now, we're sliding backwards that the under this administration, the congress a lot of regulations just everyday regulations a business. The keep them a little bit in line are being dismantled. And the thing about capitalism that they realize back in the eighteen nineties and turn of the century was had to be regulated capitalism. Just doesn't work the corporate corporate form doesn't work if it's not regulated by government. And so. I think it's a it's a I'm gonna s- trend away from regulation the government. I I usually bring up the this parallel of. Richard all as a lawyer for the railroads. Director railroads and was serving as attorney general today. We have Andrew Wheeler is a lawyer for coal companies director or a lobbyist coal companies a climate change denier for coal companies. And he's now just this past week is appointed as a permanent head of vitamin action agent confirmation hearing stocks to maybe tomorrow or Thursday, sir. A Wednesday rather. It'll be interesting. I hope. Yeah. I it'll be interesting to see I would also say a bar for that matter, at least in terms of of you know, they sort of the most prominent investigation that's going on in the attorney general's office. It's coming in as a someone who thinks that should not happen. So the the there are some parallels. I guess in that respect and. I guess we'll see what comes out of this. I mean on some level these events are are, I guess lagging indicators or forward indicators. I mean, if I if we can see this, you know, coming out of something like the financial crisis. And now the diminishment of of of union rights in the context of the Janice case and whatnot. The other thing that strikes me is the courts that basically the same supreme court that create these injunctions on these labor strikes was also a court that was almost at the exact same time in that same year. I think in one thousand nine hundred five anyways, they were rolling back voting rights. A that that had been passed during reconstruction in essentially allowing I think it was Mississippi to start to institute some form of poll tax in literary literacy tests, and the and you could mention plus versus Ferguson, which which made Jim crow. The log land was working its way up to that at the very same time strike was working its way through the courts would be decided by that substantial supreme court. What do you make of that that the the is that I mean is that just a coincidence? These type of of reactionaries, you know, or is it because I can understand it to the extent that like, oh, okay. We see this union is is actually creating solidarity inter cross race solidarity or is. Are the is the impetus the same or is it like a two for insofar as we can diminish the power of of working people and black people simultaneously. I mean what? But why is it? These things seem to be paired up. Well, I see him. I I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories or or even just general series that explain things as I look at history, and I've tried to to express the book, there's so many coincidences and. Things that happened by happenstance and affects people's personalities that have nothing to do with some bigger scheme that they have in the back of their mind to impose on society, but just like George Pullman happened to be a very cold man, if he'd been a little smarter he'd been you know, could have overcome his personal qualms avoid the conflict a lot of those things just come together in ways are very unpredictable. And and that's the big story of history to me. And I so I I'm not really the person to explain any of the bigger meaning of of how these things come to be because I think a lot of it is has happened steams that being said, you know, I the trend, for example, one thing that I see today that's hopeful is that the rhetoric of Bernie Sanders and over the younger. Socialists. Custody of Cortes and Russia Atelli their rhetoric goes back to Eugene Debs and has a lot of the that optimism and urgency of Deb's more so than Karl Marx. And I think that it's possible. It's you know, hopeful that it can gain some traction. Now, the that, you know, Bernie Sanders campaign in two thousand sixteen was quite remarkable. When you look at the whole history of socialism, vowed socialists could could have the support that he had so. And that sense. I'm cautiously hopeful it's. Jack kelly. The book is the edge of anarchy, the railroad barons, the guilded age and the greatest labor uprising in America. Thanks so much for your time today. Really interesting chapter of American history. Well, thank you say is great to talk to you. All right, folks. We're going to take a quick break. Oh, I should say. I mean, maybe this. You know belongs to. Join this with but on the program yesterday, the live show we were talking about the. The fact that we're in now, the longest shutdown and people's checks are now being delayed. Right. You get paid every two weeks. And there are contractors who will never get paid will not necessarily I should say not necessarily get back pay extensively. Congress will provide back pay for people that does not diminish the anxiety and the stress that's caused an obviously things like maybe interest people need to take out loans to cover stuff and whatnot. I had cited a coming out of that ninety three the second longest government shutdown in ninety three. A statistic about twenty five five thousand government workers. It's still not received all of their back pay from that time. I got a correction that and I thought that I had said it was a function of of unpaid overtime and whatnot. But this came out of a lawsuit that under the federal labor standards act and some state labor standard acts. I if an employer fails to pay wages do an employee or class of those who successfully sue can recover the unpaid wages double damages. So and attorney fees those payments have not been paid to those twenty five thousand workers from that nineteen Ninety-three case, I I'm not convinced that there wasn't some overtime. That's still do. But according to this. Audience member who was at the show, Shannon that that was not the case. But I stand corrected the bind as she writes that I understand workers are in is that they are prohibited by law from striking this came up yesterday in the conversation. Because I think they're considered essential workers if they strike they can be fired. If they keep working for no pay they can be reasonably confident of a retro pay and possibly double damages years in the future after a class action lawsuit is complete and she does not appreciate that dynamic. I'm not going to. But she says that is crap as opposed to. I'm not it's not too bad says. 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There's a lot of really obvious places of serious criticism and concerned about her, and I I don't understand the Colt response to her. I was got it. Not dumb. Not the best person to be a. A left representing presidential or vice presidential candidate, not even remotely. And that's not even to me again. That's like descriptive. That's not even really the meat of the criticism. That's just like reality based on record Mexican of inches into her though. That's yeah. That's it. That's L fucking anti-war coalition. Shame. We'll talk a little bit about that tomorrow. Jack. CBS is to these to my favorite guys. Like, I was that bumble. What is what is CVS? How does he say his name Sobia cry Sobe? I know, but I'll go with the CBS. Fumble jack. Yeah. Exactly bumbled. Jack, Jamie, Jack, you guys you're like on a recording spree. Yeah. Yeah. After the live show last night, we headed back to the studio and laid down some hot tracks for the anti-fraud. And now, I'm very tired. 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