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"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on Start Here

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06:11 min | 4 months ago

"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on Start Here

"Lady. Bird finds herself in the rare uncomfortable position of being the subject of some pretty scathing press. So she's fled. Dc to get out of the spotlight and come to hunt. Land and estate in middleburg virginia about an hour outside of washington. Lbj and lady. Bird had made high profile tours of appalachia focusing mainly on poor whites for one of the administration's first initiatives it's war on poverty and they've quoted massive press coverage tv radio and prince. Johnson continues the president's attack on poverty as she travels to the economically depressed areas of kentucky. The forty five counties making up this area present one of the nation's worst pictures poverty several times. Mrs johnson holzer motorcade degreed local school children who have gathered along. The roadside ladybird has been a public face for this up until now the media has loved her. There's actually no vice president at the moment because lbj vp under kennedy and according to the constitution. There's no automatic replacement for him. Lbj's going to announce a running mate at the convention in august at the press corps. Traveling with the first lady has started referring to her as mrs. vice president. How serious is that. i don't know not fairy. But they've clearly picked up on something real about the way. She works with lyndon in a typical piece. An editorial in the lexington herald in kentucky asks why not an lbj and lbj ticket. Look no farther lyneham. Your big problem of running mate for this fall is now solved. It's none other than that. Charming texan lady. Bird johnson ladybird lasted off but all this recognition has also made her a target read the papers and absorb the shock aptitude. Republican congressman's visit to my tenants that i pogo county. A couple of gop congressman decided to take their own poverty. Tour to alabama where ladybird has almost four thousand acres used for cotton and timber farming that she inherited from her mother's family. The congressmen go see lady tenants and put out some grainy black and white photos showing their ramshackle conditions tin roof shacks with collapsing foundations. No running water basically. She's being made to look like a slum lord and those optics as they say in politics are terrible. It could have been worse. I've got to thank some way to turn it into. A constructed in ladybird been in public life for decades. And she's savvy about the press. She understands the story could deal them real political damage so her first constructive step was to avoid the press by getting out of town. That's what's brought her to hunt land back in. Washington linden's really struggling. His civil rights. Bill is stuck. In congress is war counseled dean rusk mcgeorge bundy and robert mcnamara all holdovers from kennedy are pressing him on vietnam and he has a raging toothache and i was almost asleep a little after tway twelve. He called me. It was a sad happy. Talk large about the alabama tenants and about his restive desire to seek a way out of the burdens. He carries but the real source of his pain. He's actually thinking about not running. November linden is fundamentally insecure. He knows he wasn't elected that he's just there because kennedy was assassinated. He doesn't believe he has a mandate and he doesn't think he can win despite an approval rating of seventy four percent. You could argue that. This is all in his head but part of him. A big part just wants out ladybird invited. Lbj's to longtime doctors to drive out to hunt one for dinner Linden had a major heart attack at heartland almost ten years ago in nineteen fifty five. It's never really out of mind for either of them so at dinner that night with the doctors. She'd heard what they thought about his fitness. And we're going to give him a thorough medical going. The next morning and night we only talked about the psychological aspects. I don't know though that either one really understands the depth of his pain winning af faces up to the possibility of sending many thousands. American boys vietnam both ladybird linden can see the writing on the wall. Vietnam could easily derail his presidency. Their ambitions for civil rights the sweeping great society programs. He's just laid out for his doctors leave to go back. Washington bird hands them. An envelope marked personal but its contents are political to on the phone the night before linden had asked her to set out the pros and cons. I wrote at for london about a nine page analysis of what i thought he situation was. I she types out that press release. It's a bit of psychology. This is what it would feel like to announce you're not running. Then on a spiral bound steno pad ladybird writes those nine pages laying out his options This letter or what. I think is more accurately. Her strategy memo is been sitting at the lbj library forever. Pretty much overlooked by historians. When i came across it and then tracked birds diaries for the rest of lbj's presidency. I could see how important it really was. She can't know what's coming. Just how much vietnam or urban riots or sixties counterculture or assassinations or black power. Campus protests would rock the country and the white house in may of nineteen sixty four. Were tells linden that the pros outweigh the cons. I think he'll theron facing clearly all the criticisms hostilities. They will come away. And then some three years and nine much from now in february or march of nineteen sixty eight. A nap said he won't be a.

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"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on 20/20

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06:11 min | 4 months ago

"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on 20/20

"Lady. Bird finds herself in the rare uncomfortable position of being the subject of some pretty scathing press. So she's fled. Dc to get out of the spotlight and come to hunt. Land and estate in middleburg virginia about an hour outside of washington. Lbj and lady. Bird had made high profile tours of appalachia. I mainly on poor whites for one of the administration's first initiatives it's war on poverty and they've quoted massive press coverage tv radio and prince. Johnson continues the president's attack on poverty as she travels to the economically depressed areas of kentucky. The forty five counties making up this area present one of the nation's worst pictures poverty several times. Mrs johnson holzer motorcade degreed local school children who have gathered along. The roadside ladybird has been a public face for this up until now the media has loved her. There's actually no vice president at the moment because lbj was the bp under kennedy and according to the constitution there's no automatic replacement for him lbj's going to announce a running mate at the convention in august at the press corps. Traveling with the first lady has started referring to her as mrs. vice president. How serious is that. i don't know not fairy. But they've clearly picked up on something real about the way. She works with lyndon in a typical piece. Editorial in the lexington herald in kentucky asks. Why not an lbj and lbj ticket. Look no farther lyneham. Your big problem of running mate for this fall is now solved. It's none other than that. Charming texan. lady. Bird johnson ladybird lasted off but all this recognition has also made her a target. Read the papers and absorb the shock. Aptitude republican congressman's visit to my tenants that i pogo county. A couple of gop congressman decided to take their own poverty. Tour to alabama where ladybird has almost four thousand acres used for cotton and timber farming that she inherited from her mother's family. The congressmen go see lady bird tenants and put out some grainy black and white photos showing their ramshackle conditions tin roof shacks with collapsing foundations. No running water basically. She's being made to look like a slum lord and those optics as they say in politics are terrible. It could have been worse. I've got to thank some way to turn it into. A constructed in ladybird been in public life for decades. And she's savvy about the press. She understands the story could deal them real political damage so her first constructive step was to avoid the press by getting out of town. That's what's brought her to hunt land back in. Washington linden's really struggling. His civil rights. Bill is stuck. In congress is war counseled dean rusk mcgeorge bundy and robert mcnamara all holdovers from kennedy are pressing him on vietnam and he has a raging toothache and i was almost asleep. A little after tway out. He called me. It was a sad happy. Talk large about the alabama tenants and about his restive desire to seek a way out of the burdens. He carries but the real source of his pain. He's actually thinking about not running. November linden is fundamentally insecure. He knows he wasn't elected that he's just there because kennedy was assassinated. He doesn't believe he has a mandate and he doesn't think he can win despite an approval rating of seventy four percent. You could argue that. This is all in his head but part of him. A big part just wants out ladybird invited. Lbj's to longtime doctors to drive out to hunt one for dinner Linden had a major heart attack at heartland almost ten years ago in nineteen fifty five. It's never really out of mind for either of them so at dinner that night with the doctors. She'd heard what they thought about his fitness. And we're going to give him a thorough medical going. The next morning and night we only talked about the psychological aspects. I don't know though that either one really understands the depth of his pain winning af faces up to the possibility of sending many thousands. American boys vietnam both ladybird linden can see the writing on the wall. Vietnam could easily derail his presidency. Their ambitions for civil rights the sweeping great society programs. He's just laid out for his doctors leave to go back. Washington bird hands them. An envelope marked personal but its contents are political to on the phone the night before linden had asked her to set out the pros and cons. I wrote at for london about a nine page analysis of what i thought he situation was. I she types out that press release. It's a bit of psychology. This is what it would feel like to announce you're not running. Then on a spiral bound steno pad ladybird writes those nine pages laying out his options This letter or what. I think is more accurately. Her strategy memo is been sitting at the lbj library forever. Pretty much overlooked by historians. When i came across it and then tracked birds diaries for the rest of lbj's presidency. I could see how important it really was. She can't know what's coming. Just how much vietnam or urban riots or sixties counterculture or assassinations or black power. Campus protests would rock the country and the white house in may of nineteen sixty four. Were tells linden that the pros outweigh the cons. I think he'll theron facing clearly all the criticisms hostilities. They will come away. And then some three years and nine much from now in february or march of nineteen sixty eight. A nap said he won't be a.

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"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on 20/20

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05:50 min | 4 months ago

"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on 20/20

"Thursday may fourteenth. Virginia in mid may is bombed for any troubles. No silent spring here. The green archer fresh bring leaves almost met over the rutted country. Would occasionally you would see a bright. Little chipmunk perched on radio fans it's been a bad week in washington lady. Bird finds herself in the rare uncomfortable position of being the subject of some pretty scathing press. So she's fled. Dc to get out of the spotlight and come to hunt. Land and estate in middleburg virginia about an hour outside of washington. Lbj and lady. Bird had made high profile tours of appalachia. I mainly on poor whites for one of the administration's first initiatives it's war on poverty and they've quoted massive press coverage tv radio and prince. Johnson continues the president's attack on poverty as she travels to the economically depressed areas of kentucky. The forty five counties making up this area present one of the nation's worst pictures poverty several times. Mrs johnson holzer motorcade degreed local school children who have gathered along. The roadside ladybird has been a public face for this up until now the media has loved her. There's actually no vice president at the moment because lbj was the bp under kennedy and according to the constitution there's no automatic replacement for him lbj's going to announce a running mate at the convention in august at the press corps. Traveling with the first lady has started referring to her as mrs. vice president. How serious is that. i don't know not fairy. But they've clearly picked up on something real about the way. She works with lyndon in a typical piece. Editorial in the lexington herald in kentucky asks. Why not an lbj and lbj ticket. Look no farther lyneham. Your big problem of running mate for this fall is now solved. It's none other than that. Charming texan. lady. Bird johnson ladybird lasted off but all this recognition has also made her a target. Read the papers and absorb the shock. Aptitude republican congressman's visit to my tenants that i pogo county. A couple of gop congressman decided to take their own poverty. Tour to alabama where ladybird has almost four thousand acres used for cotton and timber farming that she inherited from her mother's family. The congressmen go see lady bird tenants and put out some grainy black and white photos showing their ramshackle conditions tin roof shacks with collapsing foundations. No running water basically. She's being made to look like a slum lord and those optics as they say in politics are terrible. It could have been worse. I've got to thank some way to turn it into. A constructed in ladybird been in public life for decades. And she's savvy about the press. She understands the story could deal them real political damage so her first constructive step was to avoid the press by getting out of town. That's what's brought her to hunt land back in. Washington linden's really struggling. His civil rights. Bill is stuck. In congress is war counseled dean rusk mcgeorge bundy and robert mcnamara all holdovers from kennedy are pressing him on vietnam and he has a raging toothache and i was almost asleep. A little after tway out. He called me. It was a sad happy. Talk large about the alabama tenants and about his restive desire to seek a way out of the burdens. He carries but the real source of his pain. He's actually thinking about not running. November linden is fundamentally insecure. He knows he wasn't elected that he's just there because kennedy was assassinated. He doesn't believe he has a mandate and he doesn't think he can win despite an approval rating of seventy four percent. You could argue that. This is all in his head but part of him. A big part just wants out ladybird invited. Lbj's to longtime doctors to drive out to hunt one for dinner Linden had a major heart attack at heartland almost ten years ago in nineteen fifty five. It's never really out of mind for either of them so at dinner that night with the doctors. She'd heard what they thought about his fitness. And we're going to give him a thorough medical going. The next morning and night we only talked about the psychological aspects. I don't know though that either one really understands the depth of his pain winning af faces up to the possibility of sending many thousands. American boys vietnam both ladybird linden can see the writing on the wall. Vietnam could easily derail his presidency. Their ambitions for civil rights the sweeping great society programs. He's just laid out for his doctors leave to go back. Washington bird hands them. An envelope marked personal but its contents are political to on the phone the night before linden had asked her to set out the pros and cons. I wrote at for london about a nine page analysis of what i thought he situation was. I she types out that press release. It's a bit of psychology. This is what it would feel like to announce you're not running. Then on a spiral bound steno pad ladybird writes those nine pages laying out his options This letter or what. I think is more accurately. Her strategy memo is been sitting at the lbj library forever. Pretty much overlooked by historians.

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The Lady Bird Johnson recordings and what they tell us

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05:51 min | 4 months ago

The Lady Bird Johnson recordings and what they tell us

"Thursday may fourteenth. Virginia in mid may is bombed for any troubles. No silent spring here. The green archer fresh bring leaves almost met over the rutted country. Would occasionally you would see a bright. Little chipmunk perched on radio fans it's been a bad week in washington lady. Bird finds herself in the rare uncomfortable position of being the subject of some pretty scathing press. So she's fled. Dc to get out of the spotlight and come to hunt. Land and estate in middleburg virginia about an hour outside of washington. Lbj and lady. Bird had made high profile tours of appalachia. I mainly on poor whites for one of the administration's first initiatives it's war on poverty and they've quoted massive press coverage tv radio and prince. Johnson continues the president's attack on poverty as she travels to the economically depressed areas of kentucky. The forty five counties making up this area present one of the nation's worst pictures poverty several times. Mrs johnson holzer motorcade degreed local school children who have gathered along. The roadside ladybird has been a public face for this up until now the media has loved her. There's actually no vice president at the moment because lbj was the bp under kennedy and according to the constitution there's no automatic replacement for him lbj's going to announce a running mate at the convention in august at the press corps. Traveling with the first lady has started referring to her as mrs. vice president. How serious is that. i don't know not fairy. But they've clearly picked up on something real about the way. She works with lyndon in a typical piece. Editorial in the lexington herald in kentucky asks. Why not an lbj and lbj ticket. Look no farther lyneham. Your big problem of running mate for this fall is now solved. It's none other than that. Charming texan. lady. Bird johnson ladybird lasted off but all this recognition has also made her a target. Read the papers and absorb the shock. Aptitude republican congressman's visit to my tenants that i pogo county. A couple of gop congressman decided to take their own poverty. Tour to alabama where ladybird has almost four thousand acres used for cotton and timber farming that she inherited from her mother's family. The congressmen go see lady bird tenants and put out some grainy black and white photos showing their ramshackle conditions tin roof shacks with collapsing foundations. No running water basically. She's being made to look like a slum lord and those optics as they say in politics are terrible. It could have been worse. I've got to thank some way to turn it into. A constructed in ladybird been in public life for decades. And she's savvy about the press. She understands the story could deal them real political damage so her first constructive step was to avoid the press by getting out of town. That's what's brought her to hunt land back in. Washington linden's really struggling. His civil rights. Bill is stuck. In congress is war counseled dean rusk mcgeorge bundy and robert mcnamara all holdovers from kennedy are pressing him on vietnam and he has a raging toothache and i was almost asleep. A little after tway out. He called me. It was a sad happy. Talk large about the alabama tenants and about his restive desire to seek a way out of the burdens. He carries but the real source of his pain. He's actually thinking about not running. November linden is fundamentally insecure. He knows he wasn't elected that he's just there because kennedy was assassinated. He doesn't believe he has a mandate and he doesn't think he can win despite an approval rating of seventy four percent. You could argue that. This is all in his head but part of him. A big part just wants out ladybird invited. Lbj's to longtime doctors to drive out to hunt one for dinner Linden had a major heart attack at heartland almost ten years ago in nineteen fifty five. It's never really out of mind for either of them so at dinner that night with the doctors. She'd heard what they thought about his fitness. And we're going to give him a thorough medical going. The next morning and night we only talked about the psychological aspects. I don't know though that either one really understands the depth of his pain winning af faces up to the possibility of sending many thousands. American boys vietnam both ladybird linden can see the writing on the wall. Vietnam could easily derail his presidency. Their ambitions for civil rights the sweeping great society programs. He's just laid out for his doctors leave to go back. Washington bird hands them. An envelope marked personal but its contents are political to on the phone the night before linden had asked her to set out the pros and cons. I wrote at for london about a nine page analysis of what i thought he situation was. I she types out that press release. It's a bit of psychology. This is what it would feel like to announce you're not running. Then on a spiral bound steno pad ladybird writes those nine pages laying out his options This letter or what. I think is more accurately. Her strategy memo is been sitting at the lbj library forever. Pretty much overlooked by historians.

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"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on In Plain Sight: Lady Bird Johnson

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06:11 min | 5 months ago

"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on In Plain Sight: Lady Bird Johnson

"Lady. Bird finds herself in the rare uncomfortable position of being the subject of some pretty scathing press. So she's fled. Dc to get out of the spotlight and come to hunt. Land and estate in middleburg virginia about an hour outside of washington. Lbj and lady. Bird had made high profile tours of appalachia. I mainly on poor whites for one of the administration's first initiatives it's war on poverty and they've quoted massive press coverage tv radio and print. Mrs johnson continues the president's attack on poverty as she travels to the economically depressed areas of kentucky. The forty five counties making up this area present one of the nation's worst pictures poverty several times. Mrs johnson holzer motorcade degreed local school children who have gathered along. The roadside ladybird has been a public face for this up until now the media has loved her. There's actually no vice president at the moment because lbj vp under kennedy and according to the constitution. There's no automatic replacement for him. Lbj's going to announce a running mate at the convention in august at the press corps. Traveling with the first lady has started referring to her as mrs. vice president. How serious is that. i don't know not fairy. But they've clearly picked up on something real about the way. She works with lyndon in a typical piece. An editorial in the lexington herald in kentucky asks why not an lbj and lbj ticket. Look no farther lyneham. Your big problem of running mate for this fall is now solved. It's none other than that. Charming texan lady. Bird johnson ladybird lasted off but all this recognition has also made her a target read the papers and absorb the shock aptitude. Republican congressman's visit to my tenants that i pogo county. A couple of gop congressman decided to take their own poverty. Tour to alabama where ladybird has almost four thousand acres used for cotton and timber farming that she inherited from her mother's family. The congressmen go see lady bird tenants and put out some grainy black and white photos showing their ramshackle conditions tin roof shacks with collapsing foundations. No running water basically. She's being made to look like a slum lord and those optics as they say in politics are terrible ugly. It could have been worse. I've got to thank some way to turn it into. A constructed in ladybird been in public life for decades. And she's savvy about the press. She understands the story could deal them real political damage so her first constructive step was to avoid the press by getting out of town. That's what's brought her to hunt land back in. Washington linden's really struggling. His civil rights. Bill is stuck. In congress is war counseled dean rusk mcgeorge bundy and robert mcnamara all holdovers from kennedy are pressing him on vietnam and he has a raging toothache and i was almost asleep. A little after how he called me. It was a sad happy. Talk largely about the alabama tenants and about his restive desire to seek a way out of the burdens. He carries but the real source of his pain. He's actually thinking about not running. November linden is fundamentally insecure. He knows he wasn't elected that he's just there because kennedy was assassinated. He doesn't believe he has a mandate and he doesn't think he can win despite an approval rating of seventy four percent. You could argue that. This is all in his head but part of him. A big part just wants out ladybird invited. Lbj's to longtime doctors to drive out to hunt one for dinner Linden had a major heart attack at heartland almost ten years ago in one thousand nine hundred fifty five. It's never really out of mind for either of them so at dinner that night with the doctors. She'd heard what they thought about his fitness. And we're going to give him a thorough medical going. The next morning and night we only talked about the psychological aspects. I don't know though that either one really understands the depth of his pain winning af faces up to the possibility of sending many thousands. American boys vietnam both ladybird linden can see the writing on the wall. Vietnam could easily derail his presidency. Their ambitions for civil rights the sweeping great society programs. He's just laid out for his doctors leave to go back. Washington bird hands them. An envelope marked personal but its contents are political to on the phone the night before linden had asked her to set out the pros and cons. I wrote at for london about a nine page analysis of what i thought he situation was. I she types out that press release. It's a bit of psychology. This is what it would feel like to announce you're not running. Then on a spiral bound steno pad ladybird writes those nine pages laying out his options This letter or what. I think is more accurately. Her strategy memo is been sitting at the lbj library forever. Pretty much overlooked by historians. When i came across it and then tracked birds diaries for the rest of lbj's presidency. I could see how important it really was. She can't know what's coming. Just how much vietnam or urban riots or sixties counterculture or assassinations or black power. Campus protests would rock the country and the white house in may of nineteen sixty four. Were tells linden that the pros outweigh the cons. I think he'll theron facing clearly all the criticisms hostilities. They will come away. And then some three years and nine much from now in february or march of nineteen sixty eight. A nap said he won't be a.

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"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on WMAL 630AM

WMAL 630AM

10:59 min | 2 years ago

"dean rusk mcgeorge bundy" Discussed on WMAL 630AM

"Show, the Kennedy administration McNamara since the table McGeorge bundy's at the table Dean Rusk is at the table. I feel like I'm wondering under Shakespearean play here. Professor at feels like it, we're forever. Stuck in that room with them making decisions here. They are the new brothers are unacceptable to the Vietnamese culture that is rejecting them. They're catholics. They're removed from out of touch is what Kennedy tells Cronkite at one point in an interview, and yet they are the chosen viceroys for America's empire since the nineteen fifties Eisenhower chose they've been in place. The whole palaces arranged all of the general staff. Everything is built around patronage of the new brothers, and yet Kennedy is persuaded or suedes himself that they must go that advice. Does it come from the CIA? Does it come from the military? Does it come from? From just the people he trusts who gives him that. I hope Kennedy wanted the the no brothers to clean up their act rather than force them out. I think his decision to accept their removal came after a conclusion on his part that they would not fundamentally change their ways who wanted them out. It was a group what I call a quartet of individuals both in the State Department and the White House led by the assistant secretary of state at the time. Roger Hill's men who had been involved in the China Burma, India theater during World War, Two Averell Harriman. Investor lodge, and Michael forrestal who was responsible for East Asian affairs on the NFC under Bundy during the Kennedy years, they all aggressively pushed a policy of the removal of his brothers party the note brothers, including not by having a cabal of South Vietnamese generals, remove them lodge wanted. Are you speak to an informant who was present working for a at this point Rufus Phillips, a distinguished member of the ID for many decades, and he's still with us Rufus Phyllis visits the palace. I think the day of or forty eight hours before the coup. He tells Jim the president there's going to be a coup aware of this. And he says, yes, I am. What were they thinking? Why didn't they move to protect themselves? I think part of the problem was that being elites they had the stubbornness of arrogance that made them very slow to move do believe this historical record demonstrates conclusively that they were willing to make changes the concessions that had been demanded by president Kennedy and his administration, but and they signaled that to lodge or the event in the eleventh hour, yes and circumstances were already beyond the no return point. Well, we both. Learned professor that the Alabama nervous spreads her wings as dusk falls. So. Yes, that's when you get a concession the eleventh hour and lodge. I have to confess in this instance, once he received word from him that he was going to Kennedy wanted him to do lodge, slow walks that message to Washington. Which almost sealed Ziems fate. Lodge distrusts? Yes, he distrusts the new brothers. He wants them gone. They told the Arvin generals. That's the Republican Vietnam. The army to prepare a coup or get a coup ready, but they are completely disorganized and competitive backstabbers. Does McGeorge Bundy? No that does McNamara. None of that that we're we're depending on we're going to people who are worse than what we've got. I don't think any of them had thought through the consequences of getting rid of them. There were people like McNamara and the military, including general Harkins was the American military commander in southeast nominate that period as well as a few others who thought was unwise essence because the devil. You know is better than the one. You don't interfere was what will he be replaced by? Would anyone do better than him? Kennedy heard that advice, but ultimately sided with those who felt the brothers had to go even though Kennedy did not know the political capabilities or lack thereof on the part of the generals to him. He was implicitly giving the greenlight did they have a plan B or was it just they have to go. And what were they going to do with doesn't large asked that question? What do we do with them? Yes. I think one of the most tragic can said aspects of the story is that there had been no contingency plan. Made to fly out of South Vietnam wants to coup to remove him had been completed and Kennedy at the very last moment became aware of the physical danger to SIMS life as a result of this could that he implicitly condoned and made an effort to get out that by then it was simply too late. The brothers are murdered by the. New masters. Amend by the name of big men, emerges. But he's an unimportant figure because the generals will will rule with patronage and the American largest that's about to flow within weeks. Kennedy has gone the assassination and Lyndon. Baines Johnson is an office Johnson who has not been part of x calm during the Cuban missile crisis. Who was not part of the bay of pigs. Debrief who was not to my reading a invited into these circles to make decisions about the new brothers is now the master of Vietnam, he inherits the mess, which with each successive, president has grown in magnitude Johnson attended meetings were Kennedy discussed Vietnam while he was vice president, but he kept his mouth shut throughout. This means largely in deference to the president United States Johnson himself thought that removing Sam was very unwise, and the irony, of course, is that he got to deal with the consequences of SAM's removal, very soon after SAM's death because president Kennedy's death followed only three weeks later, a completely different personality from another galaxy Lyndon Baines Johnson much to be said, we're concentrating on the Vietnam part. He has limited experience in a war. I think he flew a combat mission in bomber. But was not on the ground was not shot at did not face death. The way Kennedy. Did he comes to rely on Kennedy's met Dean Rusk McGeorge Bundy, I could go through all McNamara? The relationship with McNamara seem strange to me because at some point it becomes codependent. Is that right away is Johnson overwhelmed with McNamara's position? I think that McNamara had been perceived as the star of the new frontier Camelot from the beginning. Both Kennedy Johnson both privately referred to him as the most capable man in the cabinet. He was certainly first among equals. I think the difference is that Kennedy had far more experience understanding it sophistication when it came to foreign affairs and the reality of war than Lyndon Johnson did and because of that Johnston relied even more heavily on the advice of Rusk McNamara and Bundy because he didn't have his own experiences insights and education to draw the question right now is what is to be done. Johnson is not decisive. He wants to win. And he's concerned about the same thing. Kennedy was haunted by who. Loses China, so he inherits the same anxiety. So he's a different personality is and right away. He has to deal with McNamara and the call up of troops. This is now we're we're into we're through sixty three and the tragedy of the assassination to sixty four. And then there's this other pull the Johnson has the great society. How does he match those two don't since expertise his passion? Is destiny as he understood. It was to be a great champion of civil and political rights for minority Americans. Kennedy hit promoted that agendas. Well, but has been stalled in the congress, particularly in the Senate, which was dominated by conservative. Southern Democrats Johnson had been majority leader of the Senate in the nineteen fifties. You understood that institution those men, quite well, it also lived among minorities in central and south Texas as a young man, he understood their plight their frustrations that our dreams, and I think he had a genuine commitment to improve their life. But he also understood that losing Vietnam was essentially politically unacceptable if he was going to pursue that agenda because his enemies would use that as a cudgel to destroy him and his goal of the great society summer of sixty four the election Johnson is focused on winning. He's faced with Goldberg who at this point Goldwater who at this point. Is campaigning on the basis of Johnson being a pacifist and me being an air force general reserve being able to take charge and face the communist Johnson has a little of that. And he has a little of this other thing. So he's back and forth. And along comes the Tonkin Gulf incident. On on the basis of there are a lot of details here. But I believe your measure is the Tonkin Gulf is on is a failure of communication between the military. The US navy and the White House and Johnson and Johnson's takes advantage of the failure of communication. It's that. And it's also the failure to think through a decision. Thoughtfully thoroughly in definitively before you you pull the trigger. I oftentimes hear from people that it was a conspiracy that Johnson had a secret agenda escalate the war and the engineer these instances a way of getting the resolution passed I simply do not think that's true. There were two incidents in early. August of nineteen sixty four the first one which did happen on the second of August Johnson did not respond to. The second alleged incident which have occurred on August fourth at the time. There was debate. Whether or not something had happened later. It was determined that nothing had happened Johnson. Use that second incident. As the trigger to introduce a resolution granting him authority to prosecute the war in Vietnam. I think the reason he did that was he wanted to present himself as being rigorously anti-communist and willing to protect American national interest is away which would diminish and blunt gold waters critique of the Democratic Party being.

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"Hey, it's Jennifer Ross would be south Florida morning show here at the mighty eight fifty WSDL and coming up on tomorrow's show at five thirty everything about black Friday, the best shopping deals, the best drinking deals, and we're just gonna have a party hope to see you. Then news talk eight fifty W F T L, the Kennedy administration McNamara's table McGeorge. Bundy is at the table. Dean Rusk is at the table. I feel like I'm wondering under Shakespearean play here. Professor feels like it we're forever. Stuck in that room with them making decisions here. They are the new brothers are unacceptable to the Vietnamese culture that is rejecting them. They're catholics. They're removed from out of touch is what Kennedy tells concord at one point in an interview, and yet they are the chosen viceroys for America's empire since the nineteen fifties Eisenhower chose they've been in place. The whole palaces arranged all of the general staff. Everything is built around patronage of the new brothers. And yet Kennedy is persuaded or suedes himself that they must go that vice does it come from the CIA come from the military. Does it come from just the people? He trusts who gives him that advice. I I'll Kennedy wanted the the no brothers to clean up their act rather than force them out. I think his decision to accept their removal came after a conclusion on his part that they would not fundamentally change their ways who wanted them out. It was a group what I call a core of individuals both in the State Department and the White House led by the assistant secretary of state at the time. Roger Hill's men who had been involved in the China Burma, India theater during World War, Two April Harriman. Bastard lodge, and Michael forrestal who was responsible for East Asian affairs on the NFC under Bundy during the Kennedy years, they all aggressively pushed a policy of the removal of his brothers, pardon me. The no brothers including not by having a cabal of South Vietnamese generals remove them lodge wanted. Are you speak to an informant who was present working for a idea at this point Rufus Phillips, a distinguished member of the ID for many decades? And he's still with us. Rufus Phillips visits the palace. I think the day over forty eight hours before the coup. He tells Jim the president there's going to be a coup you aware of this. And he says, yes, I am. What were they thinking? Why didn't they move to protect themselves? I think part of the problem was that being leads. They had the stubbornness of arrogance that made them very slow to move do believe this historical record demonstrates conclusively that they were willing to make the changes of concessions that had been demanded by president Kennedy and his administration. But and they signal that to lodge was the event in the eleventh hour. Yes, and circumstances were already beyond the no return point. Well, we both learned professor that the Alabama nervous spreads her wings as dusk falls. So. Yes, that's when you get a concession the eleventh hour and lodge. I have to confess in this instance, once he received word from Sam that he was. To do at Kennedy one into do lodge, slow walks that message to Washington. Donald sealed Ziems fate. Lodge distrusts? Yeah. Yes, he distrusts the new brothers. He wants them gone. They told the Arvin generals. That's the Republican Vietnam. The army to prepare a coup or coup ready, but they are completely disorganized and competitive backstabbers. Does McGeorge Bundy that does McNamara of that that we're we're depending we're going to people who are worse than what we've got. I don't think that any of them had thought through the consequences of getting rid of him. There were people like McNamara and the military, including Tim Harkins was the American military commander in South Vietnam at that period as well as a few others who thought removing him was unwise in essence because the devil. You know is better than the one. You don't their was what people replaced by would anyone do better than him? Kennedy heard that advice, but ultimately sided with those who felt the brothers has to go even Kennedy did not know the political capabilities or lack thereof on the part of the Arvin tunnels to him. He was implicitly giving the green light. Did they have a plan B or was it just they have to go. And what were they going to do with doesn't large asked that question? What do we do with them? Yes. I think one of the most tragic can said aspects of the story is that there had been no contingency plan. Made to fly out of South Vietnam wants to coup to remove him had been completed. And Kennedy at the very last moment became aware of the fiscal dangerous to SIMS life as a result of this coup that he implicitly condoned and made an effort to get out that by then it was simply too late. The brothers are murdered by the KU masters amend the name of big men, emerges. But he said unimportant figure because the generals will will rule with patronage and the American largest that's about to flow within weeks. Kennedy is gone the assassination and Lyndon. Baines Johnson is an office Johnson who has not been part of x calm during the Cuban missile crisis. Who was not part of the bay of pigs. Debrief who was not to my reading a invited into these circles to make decisions about the new brothers is now the master of Vietnam, he inherits the mess, which with each successive presidents has grown. In magnitude Johnson, attended meetings were Kennedy discussed Vietnam while he was vice president, but he kept his mouth shut throughout. This means largely indifference to the president United States Johnson himself thought that removing Sam was very unwise in the irony. Of course, is that he got to deal with the consequences of SAM's removal, very soon after his death because president Kennedy's death followed only three weeks later, a completely different personality from another galaxy Lyndon Baines Johnson much to be said, we're concentrating on the Vietnam part. He has limited experience in a war. I think he flew a combat mission in a bomber. But was not on the ground was not shot at did not face death. The way Kennedy. Did he comes to rely on Kennedy's men? Dean Rusk McGeorge Bundy, I could go through all McNamara. The relationship with McNamara seems strange to me because at some point it becomes codependent. Is that right away is Johnson overwhelmed with McNamara's position? I think that McNamara had been perceived as the star of the new frontier Camelot from the beginning both Kennedy and Johnson both privately referred to him as the most capable man in the cabinet. It was certainly first among equals. I think the difference is the Kennedy had far more experience understanding sophistication when it came to foreign affairs and the reality of war than Lyndon Johnson did and because of that Johnson relied even more heavily on the advice of Rusk McNamara and Bundy because he didn't have his own experiences insights and education to draw on the question right now is what is to be done. Johnson is not decisive. He wants to win. And he's concerned about the same thing. Kennedy was honored by who? Loses China, so he inherits the same anxiety. So he's a different personality is and right away. He has to deal with McNamara and the call up of troops. This is now we're we're into we're through sixty three and the tragedy of the assassination render sixty four and then there's this other poll, the Johnson has the great society. How does he match those two Johnson's expertise his passion? Is destiny as he understood. It was to be a great champion of civil and political rights for minority Americans. Kennedy hit promoted that agendas. Well, but has been stalled in the congress, particularly in the Senate, which was dominated by conservative. Southern Democrats Thompson, it the majority leader of the Senate the nineteen fifties. Understood that is to Shen those men quite well, it also lived among minorities in central and south Texas is a young man, he understood their plight their frustrations that are dreams, and I think he had a genuine commitment to improve their life. But he also understood that losing Vietnam was essentially politically unacceptable. He was going to pursue that agenda because his enemies would use that is to destroy him and his goal of the great society summer of sixty four the election Johnson is focused on winning. He's faced with Goldberg who at this point Goldwater who at this point. Is campaigning on the basis of Johnson being a pacifist and me being an air force general reserve being able to take charge and face the communist Johnson has a little of that. And he has a little of this other thing. So he's back and forth. And along comes the Tonkin Gulf incident. On on the basis of there are a lot of details here. But I believe your measure is the Tonkin Gulf is on is a failure of communication between the military. The US navy and the White House and Johnson and Johnson's takes advantage of the failure of communication is that it's also the failure to think through a decision. Thoughtfully thoroughly in definitively before you you pull the trigger. I oftentimes hear from people that was a conspiracy that Johnston had a secret agenda escalate the war and the engineer these incidents as a way of getting the resolution passed I simply do not think that's true. There were two incidents in early. August of nineteen sixty four the first one which it did happen on the second of August Johnson did not respond to. The second alleged is which have occurred on August fourth at the time. There was debate. Whether or not something had happened later was determined that nothing had happened. But Johnson use that second incident as a trigger to introduce a resolution granting him with authority to prosecute the war in Vietnam. I think the reason he did that was he wanted to present himself as being rigorously anti-communist and willing to protect American national interest is away which would diminish blunt gold waters critique of the Democratic Party being quote, soft on communism. The book.

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"John batchelor. This. John Batchelor show, the Kennedy administration McNamara since the table McGeorge bundy's at the table Dean Rusk is at the table. I feel like I'm wondering under Shakespearean play here. Professor at feels like it. I'm we're forever. Stuck in that room with them making decisions here. They are the new brothers are unacceptable to the Vietnamese culture that is rejecting them. They're catholics. They're removed from out of touch is what Kennedy tells Cronkite at one point in an interview, and yeah, they are the chosen viceroys for America's empire since the nineteen fifties Eisenhower chose they've been in place. The whole palaces arranged all of the general staff. Everything is built around patronage of the new brothers, and yet Kennedy is persuaded or suedes himself that they must go that advice. Does it come from the CIA just come from the military? Does it come from just the people? He. Trusts who gives him that advice? I I'll Kennedy wanted this. The no brothers to clean up their act rather than force them out. I think his decision to accept their removal came after a conclusion on his part that they would not fundamentally change their ways who wanted them out. It was a group what I call a cortege of individuals both in the State Department and the White House led by the secretary of state at the time how Roger Hill's men who had been involved in the China Burma India theater during World War, Two, April Harriman. Ambassador lodge, and Michael forrestal who was responsible for East Asian affairs on the NFC under Bundy during the Kennedy years, they all aggressively pushed a policy of the removal of ZIM brothers, pardon me. The no brothers including not by having a cabal of South Vietnamese generals, remove them lodge wanted it. Are you speak to an informant who was present working for a idea at this point Rufus Phillips, a distinguished member of the ID for many decades? And he's still with us. Rufus Phyllis visits the palace. I think the day over forty eight hours before the coup. He tells Jim the president there's going to be a coup you aware of this. And he says, yes, I am. What were they thinking? Why didn't they move to protect themselves? I think part of the problem was that being elites they had the stubbornness of arrogance. It made them very slow to move do believe this historical record demonstrates conclusively that they were willing to make changes the concessions that had been demanded by president Kennedy and his administration, but and they signalled that to lodge the event in the eleventh hour, yes and circumstances were already beyond the no return point. Well, we both learned professor that the Alabama nervous spreads her wings as dusk falls. So. Yes, that's when you get a concession the eleventh hour and lodge. I have to confess in this instance, once he received word from Sam that he was going to. To at Kennedy wanted to do lodge, slow walks that message to Washington. Which almost sealed Ziems fate. Lodge distrust. Yes, he distrusts the new brothers. He wants them gone. They told the Arvin generals. That's the Republican Vietnam. The army to prepare a coup or to get a root coup. Ready, but they are completely disorganized and competitive backstabbers. Does McGeorge Bundy? No that does McNamara. None of that that we're we're depending we're going to people who are worse than what we've got. I don't think any of them had thought through the consequences of getting rid of him. There were people like McNamara and military, including general hearkens who was the American military commander in South Vietnam at that period, as well as a few others who thought meetings, an was unwise essence because the devil. You know is better than the one. You don't and their fear was what will be replaced by. Would anyone do better than him? Kennedy heard that advice, but ultimately sided with those who felt the brothers had to go even though Kennedy did not know the political capabilities or lack thereof on the part of the generals to him. He was implicitly giving the green light. Did they have a plan B or was it just they have to go. And what are they going to do with dozen large asked that question? What do we do with them? Yes. I think one of the most tragic can said aspects of the story is that there had been no contingency plan. Made to fly out of South Vietnam wants to coup to remove him had been completed. And Kennedy at the very last moment became aware of the physical danger to Ziems life as a result of this coup that he implicitly condoned and made an effort to get out that by then it was simply too late. The brothers are murdered by the KU masters a man by the name of big men emergency. But he's an unimportant figure because the generals will will rule with patronage and the American largest that's about to flow within weeks. Kennedy is gone the assassination and Lyndon. Baines Johnson is an office Johnson who has not been part of x calm during the Cuban missile crisis. Who was not part of the bay of pigs. Debrief who is not to my reading invited into these circles to make decisions about the new brothers is now the master of Vietnam, he inherits the mess which with each successive presence has grown. In magnitude Johnson, attended meetings were Kennedy discussed Vietnam while he was vice president, but he kept his mouth shut throughout. This means largely at deference to the president United States Johnson himself thought that living's him was very unwise in the irony. Of course, is that he got to deal with the consequences of removal, very soon after Jim's death because president Kennedy's death followed only three weeks later, a completely different personality from another galaxy Lyndon Baines Johnson much to be said, we're concentrating on the Vietnam part. He has limited experience in a war. I think he flew a combat mission in a bomber. But was not on the ground was not shot at did not face death. The way Kennedy. Did he comes to rely on Kennedy's met Dean Rusk McGeorge Bundy, I could go through all McNamara? The relationship with McNamara seems strange to me because at some point it becomes codependent. Is that right away is Johnson overwhelmed with McNamara's position? I think that McNamara had been perceived as the star of the new frontier Camelot from the beginning. Both Kennedy Johnson both privately referred to him as the most capable man in the cabinet. He was certainly first among equals. I think the difference is that Kennedy had far more experience understanding it sophistication when it came to foreign affairs and the reality of war than Lyndon Johnson did and because of that Johnson relied even more heavily on the advice of Rusk McNamara and Bundy because he didn't have his own experiences insights and education to draw the question right now is what is to be done. Johnson is not decisive. He wants to win. And he's concerned about the same thing. Kennedy was honored violent who. Loses China, so he inherits the same anxiety. So he's a different personality is and right away. He has to deal with McNamara and the call up of troops. This is now we're into we're through sixty three and the tragedy of the assassination to sixty four. And then there's this other pull the Johnson has the great society. How does he match those two Johnson's expertise his passion? Is as he understood it was to be a great champion of civil and political rights for minority Americans. Kennedy hit promoted that agendas. Well, but has been stalled in the congress, particularly in the Senate, which was dominated by conservative. Southern Democrats Johnson been majority leader of the Senate in the nineteen fifties. You understood that institution those men, quite well, he also lived among minorities in central and south Texas is a young man, he understood their plight their frustrations that our dreams, and I think he had a genuine commitment to improve their life. But he also interested losing Vietnam was essentially politically unacceptable if he was going to pursue that agenda because his enemies would use that as a cudgel to destroy him and his goal of the great society summer of sixty four the election Johnson is focused on winning. He's faced with Goldberg who at this point Goldwater who at this point. Is campaigning on the basis of Johnson being a pacifist and me being an air force general reserve being able to take charge and face the communist Johnson has a little of that. And he has a little of this other thing. So he's back and forth. And along comes the Tonkin Gulf incident. On on the basis of there are a lot of details here. But I believe your measure is the Tonkin Gulf is on is a failure of communication between the military. The US navy and the White House and Johnson and Johnson's takes advantage of the failure of communication. It's that. And it's also the failure to think through a decision. Thoughtfully thoroughly in definitively before you you pull the trigger. I oftentimes hear from people that it was a conspiracy that Johnson had a secret agenda escalate the war and the engineer these incidents as a way of getting the resolution passed I simply do not think that's true. There were two incidents in early. August of nineteen sixty four the first one which did happen on the second of August Johnson did not respond to. The second alleged is which supposed to have occurred on August fourth at the time. There was debate. Whether or not something had happened later. It was determined that nothing had happened. But Johnson use that second incident as a trigger to introduce a resolution granting him to prosecute the war in Vietnam. I think the reason he did that was he wanted to present himself as being rigorously anti-communist and willing to protect American national interest is away which would. Diminish blunt gold waters critique of the Democratic Party being quote, soft on communism. The book is this road to disaster descend into Vietnam where at the lip of the crisis now Johnson McNamara Rusk, and what happens next is denying airbase must be protected and here comes a marine expeditionary. I'm John Batchelor. This is the John Batchelor show. This.

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