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How to get ahead of the competition | Ep. 57
How does a company create a winning strategy within an industry of corporate giants? Using the story of Moneyball by Michael Lewis, we are exploring proven baseball strategies, using statistics, to help us beat our competition. On this episode, professor Kyle Anderson, steps to the plate and knocks this confusing curveball, out of the park. SHOW NOTES: This episode of The ROI Podcast is brought to you by the Kelley Evening MBA Program at IUPUI. Ranked number one in Indiana by US News. The Kelley Evening MBA will take your career to the next level—so you can be part of something bigger than yourself, while making a meaningful difference. To find out more, visit https://kelley.iupui.edu/mba/ and take the first step toward lasting career momentum. PODCAST INTRO: MATT: The Oakland A’s became a championship level team in the early 2000’s thanks to a progressive thinker named Billy Beane. In a sport where deep pockets have the greatest advantage for winning, General Manager Billy Beane took a crummy team with little money and made them champions. How? On this episode, we’re sitting down with Professor Kyle Anderson, an economist at the Kelley School of Business, who’s helping us unpack Billy’s moneyball methods, to send our company success out of the park. Let’s get to the podcast… ||ROI MUSIC PLAYS|| MATT: Welcome to another episode of the ROI Podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley School of Business. I’m your host Matt Martella joined by my colleague, Associate Dean of Academic Programs, Phil Powell. And today… oh this topic gets me excited, because today, we are talking baseball. And not just baseball, we’re talking how to take a proven, game winning strategy, and implement the same science into our everyday business. PHIL: (Remarks) MATT: So did you see the movie Moneyball? PHIL: (RESPONSE) MATT: I just love how it’s based on a true story… obviously dramatized in the movie, yet it was so fun to watch this classic Cinderella story of a washed-up team, adopt a new way of thinking which helped them beat Goliath teams like the New York Yankees and Boston Red Socks. PHIL: And for those that don’t know the Moneyball story, let me set the scene… In 2002, The Oakland A’s had the third-lowest team payroll compared to the rest of the league. Basically, they were a very small fish in an ever-expanding ocean. Their spending cap, during that 2002 season, keep in mind this is the SAME season they went to the playoffs, was only $44-million dollars – which seems like a lot. But compared to the New York Yankees, who had almost 3-times that amount, $120-million to be exact, the A’s could not afford the same level of talent. It doesn’t take a certified accountant to realize, Oakland had a huge disadvantage against their competition. MATT: And that’s what pushed Billy to adopt a new way of thinking in terms of how to recruit ball players. He looked at what it takes to win games and narrowed his answer down to a few key statistics – on base percentage and the number of hits per game. While most teams relied on scouting to find talent, Billy used data other teams had access to, yet completely overlooked, to his advantage. This gave the A’s a massive edge against baseball organizations who had deep pockets. So how can we compete against corporate power-houses who clearly have more money to spend? We sat down with Clinical Assistant Professor Kyle Anderson, an economist and avid sports fan here at Kelley, who’s love for the game offers great business practices. The main take-away is we have to know a basic level of statistics within our organization, so we can create the best solution for the problems facing our company. Kyle Anderson: Sports are great because there are so many statistics. Everything is available, right? And people are out there tracking it. But now in this day and age, we're tracking a lot of data and a lot of statistics about our businesses. So it just takes a mindset of, "let's go look at that data and see what we can get out of it." Can we find some valuable information and maybe compare something and really try and see what's going on. MATT: This is a tough subject for me because I’m not a numbers guy. I did not do well in stats class, and I do not like spreadsheets. But, I can confidently say, after sitting down with Kyle, I quickly realized none of my qualifications… or really, lack there of, matter. Within business, I can ask a question, then work within my team to get the data needed. What’s great is, it’s not complicated. In fact, we don’t need anything other than a willingness to start somewhere. Kyle Anderson: And the answer is almost always, start simple. I think one of the things managers can do is think in terms of experiments. Go back to your eighth grade science class, right? There are "A" conditions and there are "B" conditions. And if you want data, sometimes you have to create an experiment to help you get that data that's going to help you make a decision. It's a very simple approach… Start thinking about, not only what data can I collect, but how can I set up little experiments, little A-B tests, and find out which one works best. And I think, especially in technology, that's becoming easier and easier to do that. And it's so valuable. And it's one of the best things a manager can do. MATT: So number one, we have to be willing to start, and start somewhere small. Before Billy Beane could build his baseball empire, he had to start looking for answers that were not very obvious at the time. He already knew he could not afford the best talent, so he had to find his competitive edge. And he did, but it started with experimenting, just like Kyle suggests. Create little experiments to see what A vs B tests we can try, that point us toward the right decision. Kyle also said that of course there is a whole science to make sure your trials are balanced and fair, but do not let that discourage you from taking the first step of trying in the first place – do something two different ways and see what works best. PHIL: For example, let’s say I’m a business trying to grow my client base, yet not sure about how to measure a successful marketing campaign, I want to make it super basic. Let’s say, as a company, I’m trying to increase customer engagement on our website. Here’s a great little experiment to try – using an email marketing campaign, create two different designs. One email promotion could be a more conservative design, maybe have more info about your company than normal, or a current template you have used in the past. For the second design, just go for it. Make it edgy, simple, modern, brief, or whatever you have been afraid to try before. Once you have your designs, send one email to half of your clients, and the other design to the remaining group. After a few weeks, monitor the progress. Ask yourself, is there a trend that suggests one design received more clicks than the other? If so, as a leader in your organization, you now know improvements to implement that could help your company grow. And if not, pat yourself on the back because growing as a leader requires getting it wrong sometimes. Kyle Anderson: If you're not out there failing as a company, then you're probably not out there trying enough things. Right? You're not playing with a new strategy. Obviously, you want to fail small, you don't want to risk the whole company, but if you're not out there trying new things, and occasionally failing, or more often than not failing, you're probably not being aggressive enough. MATT: The second take away is be ready to fail at times, because as Kyle said, this is a sign of progress. It’s funny because every great story requires overcoming a struggle. And I think we forget that sometimes. Let’s jump out of baseball real quick and look at Bill Gates, before computers became our livelihood. In 1980, Gates’s mission for Microsoft was, “A computer on every desk and in every home.” A ludacris idea when you consider two things - how expensive these machines were during their inception and even greater, a consumer who did not see the need for having a computer at home. In 1981, the IBM Personal Computer carried a $1,500 price tag… when you take inflation into account, it would cost us $4,100 today. Yet, when we jump back to today, what do we see? PHIL: We not only see a computer in every home and on every desk, we see multiple computing devices in every home and on every desk. They run our cars, our phones… heck they even have computers inside refrigerators now that connect to Wi-Fi. In fact, the Moneyball story would not exist without computers crunching his data. There’s an entire industry in our economy solely based on computers. But at the start, Gates had the world against him, and because he grew in failure, his vision for the world became a quantifiable reality. MATT: And that brings us to our third take-away – when we find our competitive edge after embracing statistical data, keep going. Don’t stop. Keep revisiting the numbers, keep experimenting because eventually, our competitors will not only catch up with us, they’re going to find their own advantage and grow past our organization. Kyle Anderson: I think it's a perfect parable for business. Which is, if you start doing things better, that's going to give you a competitive advantage, but it's probably not going to last very long. And the worst think Billy Bean ever did, I think, was let Michael Lewis come in and tell his story because eventually everyone saw that success and was able to copy it. And it really took away that competitive advantage. And now he's got to be looking for something else. They all are looking for a way to outperform the competition. PHIL: There was a long streak where the Oakland A’s held the advantage because they found, and perfected, a new way of building a team. However, other ball clubs started to take notice. Organizations like the New York Yankees, Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Socks started to see the science behind Billy’s success and copied it. What happened? The Oakland A’s lost their competitive edge, ultimately allowing their competition to go further. The same evolution happens in business, it’s just a little less visible. So as business leaders, adopting an attitude of adaptability will help us keep up with our ever changing industries. And it’s that evolution which keeps our economy alive. Kyle Anderson: The story on our economic history in this country is companies rising and falling. Because it's very hard for large and confident firms with dominant market share to make those aggressive changes that you need to stay ahead. So it's the large slow businesses that get comfortable, aren't able to change and it's all the young ones at their heels. And that's just a natural evolution, and it's great for our economy. It's great for consumers, it gives us lots of choices. So it's a beneficial part of capitalism. MATT: Finally, as our excitement of data collection grows – because eventually we’ll love the quantifiable answers it brings, the fourth change we must make to beat our competition is balance. We must balance the use of data with industry experience. Data by itself can only get us so far, just as solely relying on experience will keep us from growing. Yet, if we can find a way to marry the two, we will make better decisions as leaders. Now, the movie version of Moneyball did a horrible job showing this. In the movie, Billy Beane – played by Brad Pitt – ignored his baseball scouts and only used data to find these mis-fit players. So we have to explore the book to find the actual story. Here we find that Beane leveraged the input from his scouts AND his data to make the best choice available, ultimately building a team able to take down ball clubs, like the Yankees, with deep pockets. Kyle, on the other hand, learned this lesson well before Moneyball was released. Kyle Anderson: I got my MBA from Kelley, and I got into a job where I was essentially working as the CFO for a relatively small business. It was a truck dealership and the dealer had owned the business for 30 or 40 years. And I would come in with my spreadsheets and we were talking about different ways of making decisions. He didn't even have a computer on his desk. Right? And I'm in here with all my spreadsheets. And I always thought that, "Oh, my way is better, right? I've got analytics, I've got data." Well he had 40 years of industry experience. A couple of spreadsheets are not going to give you insight that 40 years can do. Now, I think that if you blend those together, you're going to make better decisions than either having just data or just experience. So I think that a lot of the story, comes back to the moneyball, is you can't just think that analytics are going to give you the answer or you can collect some data and then do whatever the data tells you to do. You have to have your expertise in that industry and that experience is certainly valued and it should never be dismissed. ||MUSIC PLAYS|| PHIL: And that is how Moneyball became a success story. Billy Beane married both the baseball stats all other teams overlooked, with the knowledge and insight of his scouts – who carried the industry experience. By asking the right questions, experimenting in his decisions, and working through his failure, the Oakland A’s rose to the top of the league and ultimately changed how baseball teams would build their empires today. ||ROI MUSIC PLAYS|| MATT: So let’s recap. The Oakland A’s discovered a winning strategy while being faced with a major disadvantage – they were completely under-funded compared to the rest of the league. However, that did not stop them from defeating their Goliath’s and rising to the top. If we want our companies to beat industry giants, we need to make four changes and it all starts with data. First, we must be willing to start. Start with simple A-B tests that gives quantifiable answers. Don’t simply collect data to have, either. Ask yourself, “What questions do I need to answer and what data do I need to help answer that question.” Second, be ready to fail at times. The entire computer industry was birthed on the backs of failure – yet it was the lessons they brought that made Bill Gates an industry giant. Third, when we find a winning strategy, keep going. Do not get comfortable because eventually, our competition will find a strategy that will beat ours. Finally, discover a balance of leveraging data and asking our industry experts. Data will have anomalies and experts will miss something important. So if we can bring both to the table, as leaders, we will make the best decision possible. As always, thank you Phil, and thanks for listening. This has been another episode of the ROI Podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley School of Business.
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How this developer is helping Indianapolis reclaim economic prosperity | Ep. 65
Thirty city blocks, 12,000 potential jobs, and a blank, urban canvas long for a community revival. Thanks to Ambrose Property Group, lead by President Aasif Bade, that urban resurgence is on its way. The projected $1.4 billion development received its name Friday - Waterside; creating an opportunity for another district to make its mark on this great city. On this episode, we sat down with Bade who spoke about how any commercial real estate company can create success within their own community. Show Notes: MATT: A city skyline cannot exist without a property to build on, a design to construct, or a vision to bring to life. Here in Indy, 30 city blocks of blank canvas space exists on the city’s southwest side, ready to welcome a development that will last for generations to come – adding another dimension to Indy’s skyline. So how can a commercial real estate company most effectively create success? Ambrose Property Group shows us how - Let’s get to the podcast… ||ROI MUSIC PLAYS|| MATT: Welcome to another episode of the ROI Podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley School of Business, I'm your host Matt Martella alongside Associate Dean Phil Powell. If this is your first time tuning in to the ROI Podcast, we are glad to have you. We put out a weekly episode that helps organizations make better business decisions. For those of you who enjoy our show, it would be such an honor to us if you could head to your favorite podcasting app and leave us a review. And finally, if you would like to get a hold of us, send us an email to ROI-pod, that’s email@example.com. Last year, the Indy Start released an article that names Indianapolis the 2nd most resurgent city in the country – and that was according to realtor.com. The average home price in Indianapolis is just under $310,000. That’s a 20% increase since 2012. The city has also seen a 10% increase in population. PHIL: And according to our own Kelley Faculty and Economists, Kyle Anderson, he stated in his economic forecast that the Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson economy added almost 25,000 jobs – a 2.3% increase since 2016 with signs of strong growth. According to Kyle, the blend of the low cost of living and the growing number of startups are the major factors why this urban resurgence is number 2 in the country. So as we work to acquire more corporations within our downtown environment, it’s up to the commercial real estate industry to get ahead of this growth because it’s those office spaces and apartment complexes that will support the ever increasing demand. MATT: On this episode, we sat down with the President of Ambrose Property Group, Aasif Bade – a Kelley Business School grad and commercial real estate expert who manages an impressive property portfolio that includes the old GM stamping plant on the city’s west side. Aasif shares the three keys for his real estate success. Aasif Bade: We literally started the business in the height of the recession. We were able to capture some great opportunities in the real estate market at literally the bottom - this building we're sitting in today was purchased in 2011, it's right on the circle in downtown Indianapolis. What differentiates Ambrose from the beginning is the cultural mindset to, number one, focus on our customers, employees, and everyone that's involved with our business, and have a one-to-one people-focused mindset. Number two, we're always conscious of the environment: we operate from a community aspect. Number three, we remember what's happened. Some of the basic economic lessons we learned in the Kelley School of Business [are] not to get ahead of ourselves and remain cautious… every day, every decision we make, we recognize there's ups and downs in the economy, and while we've been successful doing business deals during the downturn, we recognize that it will probably happen all over again in the near future. PHIL: (Aasif’s accomplishments, his presence in Indianapolis, any other thoughts) MATT: As commercial real estate leaders, or those looking to get into commercial real estate, the first key to success is, it’s all about timing. Aasif Bade: We've probably made these mistakes too, the two are buying/selling too early and buying/selling too late. I know that sounds like a simple answer to your complicated question, but ultimately, real estate is all about timing. There's a lot of factors that impact everything, but we've benefited from incredible timing that I by no means had control over. While our firm had a hunch, we didn't know, we just happened to get into the business at the right time, and I don't know if I would recommend to my 26-year-old self to do it all over again or not, it's worked out okay, but it's all about timing. PHIL: And it’s the timing that allowed Ambrose Property Group to purchase the old GM stamping plant. History of the plant Employed 6,500 people during its peak 120 acres of land – or 30 city blocks What it means to the city The GM plant carries deep history with the city of Indianapolis MATT: The second key for commercial real estate leaders to success is to respect the city and the history of your property. Aasif Bade: Indianapolis has had a great run over the last fifty years. Our city has been a model around the country for public, private, philanthropic partnerships, everyone here works very well together. We've had great mayors and governors of both parties, great leaders in the public sector and the philanthropic world all work together, and I think we have a reputation around the country for that. People like to do business here and come here to be in this community. With respect to the GM stamping plant. We try to recognize and appreciate the history of that site. It has been primarily a manufacturing employment center for well over 100 years. That speaks to us because we think about the families and generations of people that have worked on that site - they earned a living and literally there's been generation after generation that's done that. A lot of the neighbors in that neighborhood and adjacent ones [have had] families have worked on that site, and [perhaps going as far back as] great-grandparents who did the same. I learned an acronym a very long time ago from one of my mentors, and I probably use it daily: STEP - See The People/See The Properties. I especially use that one when we are over-analyzing some type of project - there's a lot of times where I say we should just go for a walk to the GM plant. After going through 20 pages of design documents, I'd rather just go touch it, see it, and feel it. We're in real estate, it's a visual business. I heard a saying this morning that downtown is a state of mind, and in a lot of ways, we're in the people business and place business. A lot of that is state of mind and much more subjective than objective. I think seeing the people and properties are important - sometimes drawings on paper or in conference rooms get you so far. I encourage myself and others to get out of the office and explore that state of mind. PHIL: Aasif’s projected project cost: $1.3 Billion Plans to invest $550-million into site over next 15 years Plan includes some 2.7 million square-feet of residential, office, commercial, hotel and retail assets He estimates 12,000 permanent job creations when fully developed See the People/See the Properties – give your reaction Why it’s important for city Why it’s important for people How it can affect your image as a property owner if done wrong MATT: Once we understand that it’s all about timing, educate ourselves about our property so we can embrace a deep respect for our property’s history within the city, the third key for commercial real estate success is to involve the community throughout the development process. Aasif Bade: Our goal is to engage with the community, neighbors, other organizations, the public at large, and public enterprises. We feel a huge weight of responsibility on what will happen there, and we also recognize that just like in the past 100 years, we know may not be around for the next 100 years, and we're just trying to handle it properly for the years that we're directly responsible for it. As you may be able to tell, the GM stamping plant is an enormous project and it's really important. A lot of focus is usually placed on the numbers, the dollars, how big it is, how long the project will last, how many square feet it'll be...the moment for me that crystallizes it and gets me sentimental is number one, having been born and raised in Indianapolis, it's a big point of pride to me to be able to be the owner and developer of that, shaping 30-35 city blocks of downtown Indianapolis… having conversations with folks today who live within eyesight of that property who inherited their home from their parents and also whose family worked at the GM stamping plant. They wanted us to develop it and they encouraged us to continue the pursuit even after 8 years of going after it and not getting it multiple times. They wanted to engage with us and they gave us recommendations of what they thought should go there. That engagement with real people who don't own any part of the development, yet have so much more ownership over it from a state of mind perspective than I ever will, having that relationship and encouragement is what gets me excited as opposed to the physical assets. It goes back to passion. I like to talk to people, to see things develop, have relationships, and have an impact with the community at large. That relationship with those folks, having hired someone on purpose on my staff in this office whose sole job is to engage with the community, report back to the team, and always be in touch with the community, we think that's how the community will continue to get better and how it's gotten to the point it has because of so many people that came before us doing the same thing over the number of decades. PHIL: Comment on “these people don’t own any part of property, yet have so much more ownership from a state of mind perspective.” It’s importance to tie the community together Why owners should not ignore the people who have more “state of mind ownership” then they do However, also understand everyone cannot be made happy – yet we can be respectful MATT: So let’s recap… Ambrose Property Group, led by Aasif Bade, not only started a successful commercial real estate enterprise in the midst of a terrible recession, but also acquired a major piece of Indianapolis history through their recent purchase of the old GM Stamping plant on the city’s southwest side. Through Aasif’s real estate journey, he gave us three keys for his company’s success that us as leaders can embrace to better our organizations. The first key, it’s all about timing. Not only was the timing in his favor when he founded Ambrose Property Group, it was also timing that allowed his company to seal the deal with the old GM plant. It may have taken over eight years and multiple offers, but the timing in which he made them paid off. The second key is to understand the history of your property and embrace a deep respect for the people who have more of a “state of mind” ownership of your land. For Aasif, his property gave generations of families the jobs necessary for their success. As he works with developers, he constantly reminds himself, “see the people/see the city,” of that history to better shape the Indianapolis skyline. Finally, the third key is to involve the community inside developmental planning. It’s impossible to make everyone happy, however it’s the people who will work on your sites, live on your sites, and even travel for leisure to your sites. Allowing the community to have input on your development gives them a major share in feeling like they own that property, which in turn gives them a sense of pride that will one day etch your company’s building inside the minds of families for generations to come. This has been another episode of the ROI Podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley School of Business. I’m your host Matt Martella, alongside Associate Dean Phil Powell – where we work hard to bring you a weekly podcast that helps organizations make better business decisions. We’ll see you next week.
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This is Ron burgundy telling you to listen to my podcast. Here's a little something to wet your appetite. You know, we have we have. So the whole crews here. Okay. All right. Okay. So you defecate it was reduced to my basic animal form. Romburg any podcasts. Available wherever podcasts guests are found. I suck. At dating with dean Vanessa Jared. An iheartradio podcast. Hello everyone. Thank you so much for joining us on a very special episode of help I suck at dating. I'm Dina angler joint in-studio by Jared. Hey, Bon Vanessa on the Mike in Montreal as well. Mark in eastern in here this week as well. So we have a very special episode. We're going to jump into talking about someone's new relationship. That's all over social media lately, we're going to get into yours day. We're going to get into talking a little bit with rob MAC who is a love coach Nasr Peres, a close personal friend of all of us is going to be here as well. And we have a very interesting phone call with a former bachelor contestant from this season, which probably is gonna get a little bit awkward, but first Vanessa you are all over Instagram lately. All over the news. Something happened. There's there's there's a person your lies. I'm then happened. There's a person in your life that you finally felt comfortable enough to share with all of it happened on Instagram which makes it official. Isn't that a sad? I remember a friend message me, and he's like, oh, wow. You put it on Instagram. It must be going. Well, and I'm like, Yup. I guess now Instagram is a new way of making things official. It's such an indictment on north society. Yes. It's. Well, it's it's a new Facebook official. You know like this. It's the same thing five years ago. I know, but it's I thought it was sad. But it's not sad. But it just put so much pressure. I'm vanessa. Did you feel any pressure that you had to almost post a picture of your boyfriend, or maybe I was excited because I was posting stories and like we had so many like moments together, and like like everyone has known me to either have been engaged to Nick. And then been really single and always openly talking about how single I was. And I wanted to be able to share this story with people who are following me. And to show that you know, there is hope, and you, you know, if you really do believe in it, you're going to be able to find someone, and I did and my had a really in depth conversation with him because he comes from a world where he has no idea what the bachelor is. I mean, obviously, he knew what it was. I think he watched the first episode of my season with his mom, and that was it. And so what's wild about our stories that were both? From montreal. And that we didn't know that we both existed, and we came across each other. And now, we're happily in a relationship. Okay. 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We went on vacation, I vacation with his family and his niece and nephew. How long dating? We met last what the end of last year, but it was very strong from the very beginning. And we opened up to each other by very personal things in our lives that I think made us a lot closer, and there's no facade. There was never a facade between us. We're just telling us how you guys met each other. Yeah. So how was it? How was it? Uninformed listening. Well, then they have to listen to the rest of the podcast. Info you we'll come on. Our listeners are always asking us. How can I meet someone? How can I find the love of my life? How can I find a boyfriend girlfriend, whoever it is? And this is a big part of obviously your life now is boyfriend. So let's go to help the listeners out to be well aware of how you two met it'd help. So remember when we were talking to I don't the sex therapist and not the sex. Yeah. The the episode with a sex therapist. 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So was it for you Vanessa love at first sight, you know, obviously, not actual love at first sight. But just bear with me. Or was it a slow build? It was. It definitely wasn't a slow build. It was very strong from early on. So what'd you guys do for your first date? Can you tell us that? I'm curious about that our first state was very private because we both live in Montreal and I- Montreal's a very small community. And it just wasn't ready to go on a date with someone and then people start talking about it just because my life, I won't parts of my life to be private as much as we do live in a very public atmosphere. And so we had dinner at my house, and I think that gave us a chance to but before that we were FaceTime each other a lot and his family knows his best friends are friends with parts of my family and his so everyone kind of knows each other. But we never knew of each other. Okay. So you knew of him before you actually now I never knew of him everyone in my social circle knew of him. But I never knew of him. And he never knew of me. Your friends and family that know him probably raved about him, right? Once I opened up about going on a date with him. They were very excited. I'm curious about this first date not you don't have to go into specifics. But you invited him over your house old when you never met him before. Right. And I'm not suggesting for people to do this. I'm not saying, hey, meet someone office social media. And then invite them over I knew he wasn't a complete stranger because I knew so many people that knew him and they were about ching him. I personally never met him. I never knew of him. So, yeah, I guess in that sense. It was pretty bold. But we were FaceTime timing each other almost every day since the day, we met off the social media and. He met my friends through social media. He met my friends through FaceTime as well Taylor and a couple of other people as well and injured I've still never met him. We're going to. But then. Really big karaoke fan. Yeah. That'd be Carioca guy. No. But yeah, you're right. I now I kind of regret not meeting up with you guys after that. So it tells more where where is this headed? What are we? How are we feeling about everything right now? That's because that's the big one of the big reservations of announcing relationship is. Because now you're going to ask the question. Okay. Well, where is it going? What do you guys feel about each other bubble, blah, blah, blah? So how do you have you address address like the posting on Instagram? But have you also addressed how you're going to handle everything moving forward is how does he feel about you? Having a podcast called help. I suck at dating with two of the most handsome ever met. Ever met, and I rave about you guys all the time. So he knows about dean. He knows about. He knows about everyone on the podcast. And Mark Anderson. The real threats on this podcast walk at eastern. I think it's important for like when I started dating someone I want them to know about everyone that's a part of my life. And how important they are in my life, and why need them there? And so like, we listened to a couple of episodes together, and I've opened up Tim about a lot of things. And so it was never for me. At least I think that's why I enjoy the process of the bachelor, call me crazy. But I enjoy the process of just cutting the and going straight to either like we like each other or not and like with move things board. And that's how it was with him from the very beginning. It wasn't like a slow. You know, like, oh, let's take our time to see where this goes were both in our thirties. And we both know what we want and we both make each other happy and without each other in our lives were also very happy. So too happy people together makes an extremely happy relationship. And so we do openly talk about how we wanna see things moving forward. And for me, I personally have gone through so many heartbreaks. I'm scared to jinx. And that's why I was scared to post anything about our relationship and even like exposes faceless social media because I'm like, I'm just scared. Someone's just gonna like give me bad vibes. And like, I don't know, you know, because you want them you really want. I wanna preserve this relationship. And this is the first time that I'm in a relationship where it just want to protect it as much as I can. Two things one. This guy might not think he's Rico suave in his personality. But I'm I assure you when you invited him over for the first date, he felt like Rico suave in that moment. And then Secondly, his last name is wolf, and he looks like a wolf which is pretty bad us because he's got like a little box. Look, it's very masculine. Fame. I now I'm very jealous of his last just not just the last name. But the duo between the last name in the fact that he acts like a very handsome wolf. Yeah. He's very Vanessa wolf. It's a ring to it sounds like a famous actress or something like that Canessa wolf, I'll take a wolf starring in this upcoming very very important question. It's actually it's very important any relationship. Really if you if you really boil it down to it, and I know you're you're gonna get a little clammy. You're going to get uncomfortable trying to answer this question. But how's the sex? I mean, I'm not getting. But of course, I'm like, of course, Dane would ask a question like, this course, deeds going to make it super awkward you brought it up earlier we had a sex picture, we had a sex therapist on the podcast recently. Do you think that you'll ever have to require the help of that sex therapist in this relationship with your new boyfriend? I don't think so that's all we need to know. That sounds like it's going pretty well. Vanessa where we're super happy for you. We're very happy. And we hope the best for both you and this very handsome man of yours up in Montreal. You guys make really cute couple. And what are we what can we as fans of this new couple expect to see because like you said you want to protect the relationship. So does that mean you're going to be posting infrequently with him? Are we going to get to see a match relationship mature in front of our eyes? Or is it going to be something you has kind of keep more under wraps and closer to the chest. Now. Now, it's an ounce. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think we both have a big passion for helping people. So I think you're going to see a lot of just us wanting to do things with for causes. And I don't know how much I want to be posting about the relationship. That's something that I still want to discuss with him. How comfortable he is with exposing parts of our relationship. But he's he's eased into it. And he's the transition into it really, well, and everyone has been really supportive, and I remember someone saying like a lot of our listeners wrote to me, and I remember. Someone actually kept me accountable for something that I had said and unlike thank you for pointing that out. I remember what the comment was. But I just really appreciated our listeners. Following my journey. My my basically my love journey from the bachelor on them. I mean that makes sense. But it's this weird weird catch twenty two in life now, especially for Vanessa more. So than either of us, I feel like because you and Ashley obviously are very big public figures. Right. So it's easy to bring someone into a life of publicity when they're already in that life, right? And so Naro Vanessa her boyfriend was always never was really essentially a public. I mean, again, I don't know the extent of what he's done. But now there's this weird dynamic of he has to be welcomed into this weird bit of dating someone that has public influence, and I can imagine it's challenging I know. I think I've talked about this on the podcast before is. I was dating a girl. You know, however, long six months ago, I went on a few dates with the girl, and she told me that the fact that I'm a quote unquote, public figure was a turn off for her. And it was it made it less enticing to date me because of that fact alone, and I can imagine this guy probably was the same way because he doesn't I'm sure it isn't necessary. Like the attention that much. But if you can obviously say into doing good things with it. So it's just a weird delicate dynamic. Yeah. It was I remember explaining to him the steps, which is kind of crazy like the fact that I have to explain how like I'm sure this is going to happen next, and blah, blah, blah, and everything that I basically explained to him did happen. After our relationship was released on social media and media outlets picked it up. And I don't think for him. It was a shock that it was that much of a big deal because it's like, okay. Someone's dating someone who cares. Right. But I mean, like we also were on the bastard, and that's why people follow us because of our love life, and we have a podcast based on relationships. So, but he's been very, supportive and. Has has been enjoying the process with me. So I'm very very fortunate in that too. Because I was thinking literally maybe like an hour before I walked into the studio today. It's it's funny, and it's hard sometimes because people follow us for romantic lives. But you follow like an athlete further sports zone cares about Ila bronze marriage. No, one cares about. I disagree. No one's cares. No, one cares about a Leonardo dicaprio's. I guess he has love life. Islam. I mean, Tom Brady I look at him and Giselle naming two that's a very big ones. But like I feel like George Clooney. I feel like public figures. Everybody cares about the religion. Yeah. I guess there's other things that kind of supersede those times like, Tom or do you care more about how he's playing than his marriage with of course, I think it's just different with us because we were just on a show solely about Royal. Exactly. Exactly. All people care about. Yeah. That's that's the point. I was trying to make is just it's it's it's weird. Gyp off your point one more second to I think there is a little bit of a stigma that goes with a reality TV personality. You know, for example, Vanessa when you met this guy you had tell him. Well, I was on a reality TV show, the bachelor, it's dating show. So that I remember I getting off the show a lot of the questions if I went on dates with girls, they would say, why did you why did you why did you have to go on? Why did you with men than than it is with women especially paradise? Yeah. Maybe that's maybe that's a big reason. I I was also engaged. Right. I thought at the time I remember when my engagement ended. I was like, oh like this is going to. This is going to hinder me from actually being with someone. I don't know because I guess they thought me, maybe they would have seen me as tainted or something presents positives and negatives, you know, there's benefits to it you either, you know, you get a little more, publicity, and there's more people that wanna meet you. But there's also more questions that come with it and tainted not and I'm not saying, but people who've been engaged and their relationship ended. I'm not seeing in that sense. I'm saying it in the bachelor sense. Like, wow, he went on a show and got engaged on a show. And unless you're part of the bachelor world, you understand it? If you're if you're not part of the bachelor world, and it's a harder concept to grasp, but let's go probably a lot of people within bachelor nation digital. Yeah. Yeah. It's. Hold on. It's a very it's a very real thing. It is. I don't want to say it's easier to date someone within the franchise. But there is this certain understanding that comes with it because you've both been through this very weird. Outlandish process. And so like think about yeah. Yeah. It was it's very relieving that there's no chance that you're going to be on bachelor in paradise this year or next year for that matter or any year for that matter because you don't have to because you have a boyfriend, so we're very happy. We're very very happy for you guys. You're like our little sister just growing up right in front of our eyes Vanessa. Well, I mean if I'm by to your wedding. I might just bring him. Interesting plus one for the wedding. Can we talk about this often? Do we we will get to meet him at some point we better, right? I mean, obviously, it's going to be price. Come on the punk. That's what I was gonna say. I would love to have on the podcast. I know that's probably farfetched. No. At one point. I think it would like to have him on the podcast, he loves speaking. And he's so open and he's still vulnerable. And I find him so manly because he has all those qualities that like may. Other relationships. I've had didn't deny don't have. No, I'm saying like, my other relationship, lack those those parts of qualities that he has. And he's just he's he's an open book. And I love that about him. It sounds like you've found yourself a winner. I keep going is. He want me to keep going. Well, maybe next week. We'll jump delivering more guests coming here. We have a lot of guests. They let's get through. It's funny now that we have three tiers of relationships. We have Jared who's engaged Vanessa who has a boyfriend and dean who is just a one pathetic loser. Single person. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. That could change by the end of this episode, absolutely. I'm very excited before we jump into our next guest. 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All right. Well, we have a very special guest in-studio joining us rate. Now, an e celebrity love coach and host. We have rob MAC joining us. Thank you for coming in for happening. I appreciate it. No, really. Appreciate you coming in. So rob you are described as a relationship coach. I love coach, right. What is that? Say this for the listeners. Don't have the pleasure of seeing Robin studio right now, he is a handsome very. I can't see him properly. Oh, man. You're missing out. He's a very handsome man, Vanessa. Well, I saw his picture. And I thought he yes, he is amazing. What Photoshop and do you have a bad ass name, rob mackerel? It's true. When I was reading up on you. I was thinking to myself, rob MAC that sounds that. Just sounds like a powerful name rob to my dad for that. Yeah. And women never believe me when I would say, oh, my name's rob magnetic notes, not real. But what would you change it from originally? Yeah. It's on cool. Tell me your real name. I'm like no release. So you're a love coach to tell us. What is coach? So to be honest with you, I'm trained in positive psychology. So I'm actually by trade a happiness coach. But it just so happens that yes happiness leads to love. So we actually rate in judge people who are happy as better looking with more attractive people. That are happier. Can they get married earlier this aired longer they're happy and their relationships whether they're married or not and so on by trade a happiness coach, but people never come to me like miserable. Please help me. They usually say, hey, my girlfriend sex, my boyfriend sucks, or I don't have a boyfriend or girlfriend, please help. Hey up. I don't have a boyfriend or girlfriend can help. Hang out, man. Which is hang out. We'll just saying that that makes a lot of sense like because everything kind of starts from you know, what within right? So if you're happy you're going to find someone that's happy. If you're kind of miserable on the inside, you're going to attract that law attraction that type of stuff, right? Exactly. It's everything. It's like what's the point of being in love, if you're not happy people looking for love, but they're not happy or they find love and they're not happy. Yeah. The whole point love is to be happy. There was a line on your website. That's something said something along the lines that if you're looking for happiness with somebody else, and you're looking in the wrong place. Yes. And what did you mean by that everywhere outside yourself as the wrong place? So at the end of the day most of a struggle because we just don't love ourselves. When you love yourself. You're happy with someone else you might enhance their happiness. They might enhance your happiness, but they don't complete or fulfill you you're already complete fulfilled. Right. So how does someone get there? So when we talk about happiness, I guess can it be possible that we all have different definitions and level of happiness. What can make you happy doesn't necessarily bring me happiness or joy? But how can someone get? It to that level of happiness. Does it coincide with confidence as well? Yes. So it's a great question. I would say at the end of the day, lots of things give us pleasure and enjoyment, and entertainment, but very few things make us happy except for quiet, who'll call them collected mind. So as long as your mind is noisy and busy. You're going to find yourself stressed out. Not very happy or you're really happy for moments, but you won't be happy and really sort of like lasting meaningful way. So at the end of the day, what makes us happy is a quite calm collected mind. Right. So most people struggle with that. Right. It's like they can never turn off your mind. But of course, because there's just the the weight of life gets gets on your shoulders. You know, there's work. There's relationships there's struggles there's money there's all these things that factor into causing a non happy existence to certain extent, you know, at least a consistent one. Oh my gosh. Totally. But the interesting thing is like if you look into like nature, and it was just kind of like a little bit. But if you look into nature like birds bees like the rivers like the mountains like the flower. All of nature is perfectly blissful except for like, man and woman, like only human beings have made a problem out of their own existence. Everything else perfectly blissful, I guess we'll my question coming off that one is using human beings are meant to live like this not at all not at. All. Right. So it's like part of the problem is proof frontal cortex that we have in our brain. It's like a more recent development. But no, we're not meant to be miserable. I don't think. So I met in terms of the society that we've kind of created for ourselves. Do you think you like even to a certain extent, this might be because we are dating podcast spending your life with one person? Yeah. Because that is a human trait. Yes. I have such a great question. This is a debate this forever, right? But like, I have this clinical psychologist friend. She's fantastic and asked that question like people meant to be monogamous. And she's like, well, rob, I believe that people were meant to be monogamous, and they're meant to be. Meant to be cheaters was like what does that mean? She's like well, most of us only date or are intimate with one person at a time. But are we intimate and only date and innovation with that one person? Forever ably. Not you know, so what's my perspective? I don't I don't I don't know. I guess everybody's a little different, you know, and like. Like sort of got. That's that's where this sort of the art and science of like love and happiness has to be like paler made you have to go. You have to remind you believe in monogamy. And obviously you said you're you're kind of uncertain on it, but like monogamy and through phases in life, right? Yes. Yeah. Reasons. Marriage marriage is in a phase. Well, well, depending I mean, it depends on who you ask and where they are on their marriage. When you say a phase for me at phases something temporarily, right like a fad, and fashion or whatever that's like a phase that we go through. I won't point when I was in high school. I love dressing like a punk rock person. That was a phase that I went through. I'm not absolutely. Absolutely. During that phase. Benny wanna see that face? And so when we talk about marriage, I I'm happily right now in early ship, and it's a very fresh in new relationship. And I think one of the common denominator did nominators that we have in our relationship to make it healthy and a happy one is that we both want to be married, and we both believe in monogamy. So I think at the end of the day is a possible that we're wired differently. Like, I know dean is struggling maybe with the idea of monogamy denial. If you're still at that point or in that basin your life, but I've always been someone who's very monogamous and very happy at being with one person, are you and your your boyfriend placing your marriage over each other and yourselves. Right. So it's like, you're you're putting a priority on getting married rather than putting a priority on your boyfriend and yourself, and that's kind of what I always look at it. Like, it's like if that if being in a relationship stems from wanted to be married, then you shouldn't be in that relationship in the first place, in my opinion. It stemmed from wanting to be with. Oh, I love that. Yeah. I listen. I think we want we know that we wanna be together long term. And so long term for us. Also means getting married. It's not like we're together because we wanna get married. We just wanna be together period of marriage never existed. Then we would still be together. I do think I love this conversation. Because I do think you're highlighting something really really important, which is the necessity or importance of prioritizing love over relationships like, and I think a lot of people get that twisted. They put the cart before the horse and they prioritize their relationship more than love. I can love and be loved and experience love in a relationship or not if that's my top priority. My relationships going to work out if that's not my priority. And the relationship is the top priority. Meaning that I just gonna stay in this relationship even from miserable. Even argue every day. That's a problem. Right. Right. I my parents are divorced. And I think my parents got divorced when I was eighteen and I think when people say like, oh, it must have been easy for you to get over it. I think as you get older. And you're more implicated in the process, you understand a lot more with what's happening. And then it hit me like a ton of bricks because I was a girl that was like rainbows and butterflies, and, you know, very traditional Italian family. Then boom. My parents are the first fan Italian family in my group of friends. I got divorced. And then it started meeting it made me realize, okay? Not everything lasts forever. I'm not against. I'm not against breaking up. Like, I appreciate everything everyone that's been part in my life up until now. And I understand there's a reason for things happening. And so I think if you would have asked me when I was eighteen out of been like, yeah, I want to stay with someone. And even if I am miserable. Like, that's what I'm supposed to do. Because that's what people do in my culture. And so I think in made me grow up emotionally in order for me to realize that hey, my engagement ended. I was engaged and I had to go through public break-up. And it was the best decision that I made because I was not happy that resonates in you. And I had very different experiences of eighteen because when my parents eighteen for me, my parents, divorced, and it was the best. Decision. They ever made. I don't think I was happier ever except for that day was celebrating. Like, this was that. It was just so unhappy. They oh my goodness. I didn't think they would actually make the decision. But I knew they needed to. They were so unhappy, and there were such great people. And they are great people. Yeah. And I guess there's no. Yeah. There's no right or wrong answer when you were speaking about some people prioritize the relationship over love, wouldn't you say love changes as well. Because I think the idea for example, if two people are unhappy earner relationship right now, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be in the same type of happy relationship for years from now and not encounter problems. So that's where my mind goes. And that's about all I have is when is enough enough because it's really difficult. I mean, I'm lucky right now, I'm in a wonderful relationship. I don't mean to allude to anything different than that. But the idea that my my significant other and myself won't have issues coming up in the years to come. I think would be naive. And so that's where it comes to me because I see other relationships go through issues, and they break up or they tried to get through it. But. There is a point where they are miserable. So for me, I guess the question I have for you is how do you know when to prioritize one over the other love of the relationship vice versa? It's such a great point. And by the way, can I just send my clients the three it's amazing like I completely agree with you. I think that if we're doing it, right? This life thing we're doing it. Right. You grow and evolve over time, ideally, you might grow and evolve in same ways or similar ways. But I think you all the key. For me is to always prioritize love over relationships. I don't think of love is a relationship that I have with one person. But a way of have that I have of relating to the entire world to everybody in the entire world. And so in every interaction my intention is love period, whether we're getting along or not we can disagree without being disagreeable. And I think if you make that your tension, you said that is your intention their relationship is going to work out in one form or another. It may not be a romantic relationship. It may evolve beyond that, and you may end up being friends, but it's still going to be full of love. Here's your full of love. Yeah. Well, so then for the listeners out there that might be struggle. With something especially since as you mentioned too earlier, you're more of a happiness co trae. Yeah, let's say someone especially February can be tough month for people. You know, obviously, Valentine's Day, you see your friend celebrating the relationships is. I'm going to have to watch Vanessa Jared relationships while I'm gonna be by myself. Heck, I come over. How do the single people? I e the deans of the world's kind of just keep a positive attitude and a mindset through those single times of their lives. Yeah. It's such a great question. I think step one is just get crystal clear about what it is that makes you happy and make sure that you're prioritizing that above everything else. You know, I think just making setting an intention commitment to be happy is the greatest thing you can actually do in your life and very few people actually make that commitment. So many things come before happiness for them. So prioritizing that getting crystal clear about what is on your happiness islands lists. Like, what things do you naturally easily effortlessly enjoy ably do on a daily basis or on a daily basis that will not quickly uplift inspire excite you? So just knowing that. And then doing more of that the third thing is which I'm surprised about because when I entered the happiness coaching and love coaching business. I didn't expect a lot of very high profile famous people to take themselves out on dates, but they do it consistently. And I think it's a great thing. Like, whatever it is that you want somebody else to do for you. Do for yourself. What do you mean high profile people taking like so I've taken themselves out? Yeah. They go to the movies by winning letter that are beautiful talented successful celebrity women take themselves to movies, they go. They take themselves too sushi. Like, whatever it is. They're waiting for someone else to do for over love someone else to do for them. They do for themselves and not from a place of pity or feeling bad about it. Or just like, hey, let me celebrate my life and the time right now, I know Becca Bekka till he does that a lot. She takes us up to the movies. Take yourself to olive garden all of the places that she wants to be taken to take myself there. And I've been in a lot to a lot of these been going a lot of trips just solo which I never really done before and like and bracing just being alone a little bit more often than I have in the past. And despite the fact that I am very very single. I think I've had them happier now than it was a year or two years three years four years ago. I think this like every moment that it's happening is the happiest moment of my life because I'm focusing more on myself than I have been in the past everything. So you're in the PERC. You're in the sweet spot to attract amazing women life. I mean, you can't not track mazing win because they can smell it. And you can feel it. You're happy. You're enjoying yourself. And you don't need anyone else to complete you a mover. Yeah. It's very liberating to do. Go on an adventure by yourself. Even if it is something as simple as going out to dinner by yourself or going to the movies. I think adds a certain later your character that you didn't have before because we kind of depend on yourself. Absolutely. That's a big thing. I want to ask you you were endorsed by Vanessa Williams and Oprah dick van doors. How did that happen? Oh, man. I wrote a book two thousand seven two thousand eight happiness from the inside out. And she discovered the book somehow, I don't know how I don't know. How people find things I guess he went online or somebody referred my book tour was it was it was it part of a book club. It wasn't part of a book. No, it was just she'd featured in her, you know, magazine. Yeah. It was awesome. Same as it was super cool Oprah. I know it's amazing. There are few single words. You can say today that just look people way. Oprah's one of them. Great. You're absolutely right. I mean, she's power powerful enough to only have a first name. That's everything should run for president. Totally so. Yeah. Politics out of it. Canada's our everything is like kind of like. True. Very entertaining. Talking people like Oprah you are a celebrity love coach on famously single on E. Yes. And wait. So how many seasons is it two seasons or are there more than two? So we had two seasons. You've had a couple of guests from the show, bad Chad Johnson shatman, and you guys who's the Josh Murray. Josh murray. Greg is actually really Greg ice. And I didn't realize that until I had met them in person, you know, at a bad rap. But they were amazing is and so so on on famously single who's your favorite because you guys have a lot of celebrities on their who's your favorite either personality individual or a couple, man. Isn't that a great question? Okay. So Calum best is extremely interesting. You guys definitely have to like he is such an intellectual and he so interesting on that front, but he's also like a ton of fun. You just like in adventure spirit. So his relationship with brandy. I thought was pretty interesting mild and fund, but I actually most loved polity and Aubrey own as relationship. Okay. I was gonna ask you about that. Because I'm a big shore fan. Oh, dude and born and raised Rhode Island. So Pauly D is from Rhode Island big name there, you know. And so, yeah, let's probably like in real life. Shit is odd. Police extraordinary think about is. He's just himself all the time. Like what you see is actually how he is. Yeah. Day in and day out. And he was warmed. Everybody was considered like I was shocked, honestly, and inbetween like scenes and stuff. He's actually like talking investments like, but that's what he's into. Yeah. And he's always clean guys always clean like a MAC living. I remember him saying he gets a haircut every single week or something like that. He's not joking that he didn't get a shape up like a couple times a week. Unbelievable. Yeah. It's like what you don't even come here at that point. You're as they just yeah. He just got to keep it up to date. Dean, those Rhode Islanders, man. You can't trust them. The other interesting thing about the jersey shore guys in hooting, Ronnie was that they don't speak unless there s the mic is on and working 'cause they got fine on jersey shore when they did that. All right. So we would like I remember the first season and be like you'll Paul. He's not speaking like why is he not speaking what's going on? And he was just mouthing stuff. And I'm like do and he's like pointing the Mike and then they got him miked up again. And he's oh, yeah. You don't speak unless I'm Mike Mike is hot. And I was like, wow. That's how disciplined years it's like second nature. I guess what you're on ten seasons of reality television. You get. Point. I'm rob. Thank you so much for joining us today. This is incredible. Rob MAC where we're gonna everybody find you. Yeah. Coach coach, rob MAC dot com. 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Times this city, this is state of the art suffering here. I mean, this is expense to we're podcast. The only thing that records in here all week long. Once a week we're in here. So I feel like a rich person right now should as you look like a very lovely God as down from the skies and went down to under area and the put on some black clothes and came back to earth. Okay. I'm into that. Discussion. It's february. I'm morning, I'm single so. And I suck at data twin urine the then. So if you guys recognize Nasr name, she was a former bachelor producer turned host. And now she hopefully, the I don't get a podcast with my fiancee. Ashley, Lauren, I- Canetti. You also have done a lot of different hosting gig soon as Tele give us a quick synopsis of who you are. I am who you are. So like, you said I used to produce the bachelor all you lovely people on there. And then after that I started to pursue a career on camera. So I hope for fandango the I don't get it podcast the dodgers. And I have a group called heartbroken anonymous, which is basically a support group for people that are Harper. And that's what we want to talk to you about specifically is heartbroken animus, but did you produce Vanessa injured season where you on Jerry season was my first season. I unfortunately, miss Vanessa's 'cause I was doing but in Lauren happily ever after reform in the time happily ever after. Freeborn? But jared. Yeah, it was my first experience in reality TV, which I think is one of the best seasons of the bachelorette high five associates Jared before he became friends with Ashley. Yes. A lot of people think it's reverse. But yeah, I was so intimidated by Nasr on their forget it was when we're secluded in a hotel before we before night one. And that was the first time I met you and you walked into my room with two other girls who they were at the time, but you wearing all black black leather jacket. You have kind of an intimidating look about you. You got this swag about you Nasr? It comes through in your voice. Everybody can tell and I was like holy this girl's super cool. And now, I get to know you and I'm super comfortable. Now, it's like this every day. But I'll never never I always thought you were super intimidate. And then I got to know you more, and you're obviously, very warm and very comfortable being around and super swim. But it's so funny thinking about where I where we were back. Then when I first met you in the hotel, even before we were on the show to where we are now. Right. We're we're really good friends now, and you're one of the yeah, I mean, I don't know if I can say, but you're obviously national is bright. Oh my God. I am shut up. No kidding. She asked I knew I knew that. You're like say that Ashley no sorry. All this lots of I knew she asked. And so it's it's just it's it's pretty funny. I know it's crazy. It's crazy like seeing the evolution that you've been through. And just the fact that all three of you guys are hearing you've been you went through the bachelor process and the journey. I wanted to come on and talk about heartbreak specifically because I feel like people don't really talk about the dark side of heartbreak as much and sometimes I feel like society makes you feel embarrassed for it like some people feel like they have to move on right away. They don't want to admit that they're mad. They try to put on a happy face. Did you got like when I was going through my heartbreak, which is a big reason why started heartbroken anonymous. I was having nightmares. I couldn't sleep. I there were so many things that I just felt so unlike myself, and I was like this is so weird. I'm like this grounded like cool person that has a fine career. Why am I so it was almost like an acute depression? I'm curious if you guys went like, what were the dark sides of your heartbreak that maybe you haven't shared because sometimes people say, oh, yeah. I was sad. And you know, I didn't go out for three months, but people don't really talk. Talk about it. Oh, yeah. I didn't eat my first break up when I was dating this girl in my early twenty s we dated for about four years, and it was my first big bad break-up. And oh, I was I was the one who broke up with her. And I was still so depressed afterwards. I wouldn't e-. I didn't wanna go out. I just didn't care about my appearance. It was just it's a breakup are horrible. They're just bad. And yet you right. There is a little bit of shame thrown towards people that they just don't want to hear about your sorrows because everybody's going through difficult times. Or they think that you should move on quickly. So I think it's pretty incredible. They started hope heartbroken anonymous and give people a place to feel comfortable to talk about these things. Yeah. So the whole point is that I met this stranger, and she was like, I really need to talk to you. And she told me about her heartbreak, and she was hysterical crying. And she's like, and I didn't know her really. And she's like, I can't talk to my mom or my sister about this. And I was like that's weird. Why can't you talk to them? And she's like I feel like they're going to judge me. They're going to say you're so much better than this guy move on. And I'm just physically not there yet. And I feel like as humans. We know like we know when you say you got to move on or you gotta go for someone better. It's like we know what to do. But when we're physically not there yet. It doesn't help when your family and friends are isolating you, and then it's funny how the universe works out. Then I got really heartbroken went through. What I was just telling you guys about. And I was like wouldn't it be cool? If everyone that was heartbroken could just like go to one spot and talk to each other and not feel judged or and even if you have a friend. That's there for you. If they're like happily married, it's not the same as talking to someone that's going through something similar, you know. So so, yeah, the meetings are the second Thursday of every month. And it's just it's so I open, and there's so many different types of heartbreak, which is what I'm really trying to break. The stereotype because people are like, oh, I'm not sad. I'm not going through a break up or a divorce. But a lot of people come for other reasons. Friendship. Heartbreak the loss of a job or dream or a pet this homeless guy came in one day, and he was like I looked through the dumpster. And I try to find Starbucks cups because I feel like people respect me more on the street, if I have a material item in my hand, and that just broke my heart. I was like this. That's this guy's heartbreak. You know? So what have you guys experienced any other different types of heartbreak like and Vanessa that maybe isn't romantic, which I feel like most people listening. No you for, but there's so many other different kinds of other people. Don't talk. About. I think for me, and I really I love that you have the support group, by the way, it's genius. Because mental this has a lot to do with mental health, and I'm such a big advocate for that. And so I think other than being a really dark place when I was going through. I think for my relationship with Nick, it was the process of breaking up versus the actual break-up that was really really dark for me. And I don't think I ever spoke about this. But I would like lock myself in my bathroom and put the shower on and just cry as if someone died, and I think when there's a loss of connection it your morning that loss, and it does feel like a death in some sort of way. But other than a relationship up. I think that my parents divorced for me was extremely difficult. And now is the loss of family unity, knowing that I was going back home to a household that had now one parent versus two, and it took me I think about seven years to fully be able to talk about it without actually crying because a minute it came out of my mouth, and my parents are divorced. I just automatically started crying and people are like, well, it's been so long, and I just still still mourning the loss of that marriage. Although they were and they are much happier relationships with people that they should have been with and they should be with right now. The idea of losing something in that was so good in your eyes. Was hard to. Was hard to get over. And that's exactly it's like, you're grieving a loss. And I feel like it's so silly in society. It's like like you were saying if you've got a headache or you get sick. You can get a doctor's note, not go into work. But if you're going through something like you were experiencing your parents getting divorced you'd have to wake up the next day and kind of resume life as is. And I think that's so insane because you're not feeling well, mentally, and I think that leads to why we're having all these people that have mental health issues now and are scared to be outspoken about it. And I also think it's silly for people to make fun of other people for like you were saying it took you seven years. I hear people say all the time. Like, I feel so dumb saying that it's like we only dated for two months, or whatever it is. And it's like it's still a loss. Like, you're always to be sad about that loss. You lost it potentially forever. And it's okay to admit that you're sad. And it's like okay to be sad. Dean of you've ever had experiences a side from the romantic hind that you have felt like major heartbreak over the answer is like the. Like, the death of my mother or my friends when they die when they died. I guess it's it's I mean, it's it's what I've noticed too is. After those situations, you always try to well, maybe not so much, but you want to be able to talk to someone I can empathize with you. An empathy such a hard thing for humans to do. And so to be able to speak to someone that's going through something similar is very very important. Right. Like when my mom died. I didn't really have anyone that had ever dealt with him like that before. So no one really understood the pain that I was going through. When hunter and Alex died. My my best friend from when I was ten died. No one really understood I was going through then either. But then when my friend, Alex when I was twenty one I had, you know, a group of ten other best friends that we're all dealing with the same thing. So we were all able to kind of like lean into each other and talk about how affecting us all that kind of stuff. And so it's funny because that was maybe the most emotional I've ever had ever been in my life was when Alex died, and I think part of it was because the people around me allowed to open up with my emotions shared experience. Exactly. So you feel comfortable emitting. You're like, okay. I don't feel embarrassed. Which like we were talking about in the beginning. Jared like people feel embarrassed by it, and it's crazy. And if you guys ever decide to come to these meetings also offers perspective, I remember all the meetings are different and they're insane. And it's like black white gay transgender people from all walks of life, like come to these meetings. And I remember one meeting one woman was crying because she was in an affair with a married, man. And then the woman right after her went, and she was married and being cheated on and. So it's just you listen, all these different stories and all these different perspectives, and you leave with a sense of like, not only am I not alone. Not only do I feel sense of community because I personally feel like there's more hoping togetherness and being alone. But you also hear different stories at put things in perspective for you. Maybe it's one of those like there's always someone out there that has it worse kind of thing. But so is there sorry is there there comes to the to the meetings? That's a great question. A lot of people ask me that. And everyone's always like, are you helping these people and the one thing I learned especially from working on the bachelor, which is funny is that people handle heartbreak in all different ways. And I don't consider myself an expert of any kind, and I know therapies expensive, it was expensive when I was going through it. So I'm more just want to offer people support. I don't really want to tell people what to do. But I want them to feel like because if you tell people what to do, then they feel a sense of judgment, right? So this is a really safe space and the coolest thing is everyone walks in a strangers the really nervous and then one person. Opens up and then everyone ends up sharing. And then they all end up being friends at the end. Of course, I'm there for people. But I really don't like to be a STAN I offer like different options. Like, if you need a therapist. I would know here if he wants to talk to, but I don't like necessarily give advice, I really just moderate it. So you feel safe coming? I also don't think that's what heartbroken anonymous. Needs. I think a needs any type of professional there because I've been to one of the meetings, and I think oh about eight to ten people there, and it's really just a place to feel comfortable talking about how you're feeling and getting things off your chest. And I also think like as you said when somebody tells somebody else what they should do. They do feel judged where this I feel like a lot of people are able to get things off their chest and articulate their thoughts. And a lotta times I feel when people do that they kind of figure out what they need to do that makes sense. Because once you start talking about it and getting it out there. I think for me at least my brain works in a way where then things start materializing. And now, I know what I should be doing exactly and you leaving listen to people's stories, and maybe the next day or not Assad anymore, and the one thing people always ask themselves as like how can I make this feeling go away because I feel like heartbreak of any form can be so debilitating, mentally, you know, even if you're fine physically if you're sleeping find you're going to work it's in your head. You're thinking about it. A lot, and it's just taking up all this space in your mind. But if I can help people feel better for an hour or two hours. I feel like that makes all the difference because no one can really make the feeling go away. But if you're talking other people about it that helps in itself. A lot of guys. Or is it mostly women that show up? I love that question ally of St. guys come and a lot of people tell me really, and I say, yeah. And they come and these are the two things that they say they say, I'm really heartbroken right now. And I can't talk to my friends about it. Because all they say is Yoshi was so crazy, bro or yoga to save so much money. Now, you're gonna save so much money now, and they literally say these things, and they're like, I'm grieving, and I can't talk to anyone about it. And the reason why I don't I'm not gonna say love for anyone to come. Hopefully, you don't have to come. But maybe you'll just come and check it out to be nice. But I like when those guys come because sometimes women will come in kind of in the mindset, you know, when you're heartbroken from a guy romantically or like f all guys, you know, or like men suck. But then they hear this guy talk. Right. And they're like, oh, maybe someone on the other side is hurting just as much as I am my biggest heartbreak romantically was when I was in college. I was nineteen and my girlfriend, and I broke up and I've been heartbroken. Other times. But this was like the biggest heartbreak of my life, right? Like, literally message everyone on Facebook. That was friends. There's like please defend her like, I just want her remove possible. It was really really bad. And I remember there was a moment. You know, nineteen year old is sitting in a car with his best friend. And he like he's like, dude. Why don't you just move on and get over it? And this is like this heartbreak went on for like two or three years. It was really really bad. And it was like a year or two later. I was like dude, I didn't just lose my girlfriend. I also like my best friend and all this kind of stuff. And he looked at me. He's like just don't be such a wuss. Oh, be still loser like over. And I'm just thinking like, even then I don't think that nineteen year old dean or twenty dean would have been able to step away and be like you should go see like a heartbroken anonymous. So like, that's what I'm thinking. They would almost be a stigma for a straight guy or whoever it is. It doesn't really play stigma to to go to a counseling group for this sense of hopefully, we can obviously breakdown that that's toxic masculinity. And you know, I'm sure you guys have this is come up on your podcast or just in the world in general. But yeah, and that's why I love you too so much because I feel like Oregon the bachelor was such a crazy experience for me. I've obviously been single my whole life. But it wasn't until I started working on that show. Ironically, I was in. A room with twenty five to thirty men from different parts of the country because I was just from south Florida where you know, you grow up in your group of friends your environment. I had only really met one kind of guy. And I started a meet all these guys on the bachelorette. They would like open up about their feelings. And I feel like that gave me hope. And so I think you Jared dean for being such good examples of men that can open up and be vulnerable and talk about their emotion because the example of men Nova charity always say that, but you are so great, you know, it's like our Subaru ruin your wonderful for doing the heartbroken. Anonymous, my is at least thank you as well. It's it's such a great group, and I've been there personally and everybody should check it out. And so it's every so it's the second Thursday of every month. And I know February can be really hard for people, especially if you're a single so I'm in LA, I'm holding a meeting on Valentine's Day February fourteenth. So you can go to heartbroken anonymous dot com to check that out. Also be in Chicago, Tuesday, February twenty eighth for the first time I'm really excited because a lot of people from. Chicago been hitting me up, and then I'll be in New York Thursday, February twenty eighth all dates and times will be on heartbroken anonymous dot com, you can RSVP there. And I hope to see you guys. They're busy bunny. Do you always moderate every meeting of Brooklyn on? Yeah. So it's not like fight club where there's all different clubs on no country. Now. Ideally, I mean, obviously the goal is to like have it in every state and meet people that would be you know, that are on board for like my mission branch branching out. It's not because Ridgely started in L A, and you've been to New York a couple times, I haven't you did one pop up in New York, which went incredible so many people in New York where like the city can feel so lonely, but this meeting was everything. So I started a go fund me if you guys want to donate, and thanks to everyone that donated I'm doing the meetings in Chicago and New York this month too. So I'm really excited as you. Well, should be. That's incredible. So now, obviously we have to ask you were bachelor producer. Do you have any good stories for us? Nasty. To be honest. Jared, I think I think my favorite story, and it's not even a specific story is just following you and Ashley's romantic. I know he talked about it. Bar. I know you guys have talked about so many times go Nasr, please tell us more. Well, when I'm actually it was the first time, I met this girl that like wasn't afraid to admit that she really really liked the guy. I feel like sometimes a lot of girls are calling. They're like, yeah. Kind of like him, you know, but she was like. There was something. So respectable about this girl. Standing up and not giving an F about what everyone thought about her and just really admitting it, and it's just the most insane thing in the world. But I don't know just traveling around the world. I've had dinner with Chris Harrison and Argentina. I could have I could write a book about the story as you. Well, shoot around probably not the plane should write a book about using exactly the play. A good headline Nasr Peres says, I don't know. But also, well, the whole thing where you said we were talking about Ashley that's how the whole. I don't get a podcast started. Right. Yes. Because you obviously to plug the I don't get you host with Lauren and ASO Ashley approached me inches. Like, I wanna do this podcast, which you call it. And every day, I'm like, well, everyday we're in the car, and we're like, I don't again, I gotta and we had never had a boyfriend at the time. I Selden around boyfriend so. Yup. Slide and not. Not kidding slide into the script. Now. Just kidding. So basically, I I was like let's do the first episode. We were both like let's say the first episode and how we've never had a boyfriend, and we don't get how girls get boyfriends. So we do this episode. We put it up and ends up being like eleven on itunes, and I'm like in New York with the twins shooting their show like India. Learn magazine offices and all these like, oh my God. I've never had a boyfriend, and then a meeting people on planes, and all of a sudden, we get this flood of messages from these women around the country of never had one, but felt dumb admitting it and so again through Ashley that's why I love her so much, and she's one of my best friend of you guys. It was all through. But it was just being it's kind of like a death to the cool girl thing. It's like just admit it. I I'm just so that person like if someone goes family. Hey, listen, like, I really liked you just let me know goes. Got it. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure most of our listeners already listened to that don't get a podcast. But if you guys don't check it out. It's amazing. You can get it anywhere. I tunes all that. Good stuff at Spotify. All that wonderful stuff. Nasr worlds can people find you on Instagram at Nasr pres- and at heartbroken underscore, Nana Mus and heartbroken anonymous dot com. Yes. And I can tell you personally Nasr great follow on Instagram. Check it out be on the lookout for if you live in Chicago or New York for heartbroken says well at the end of February. Thank you for coming in. Thanks for having me, miss you. Good senior faces by. Hi, I'm Ariel Casten. I'm Jonathan Strickland and together we're going to tell you the stories behind some of the biggest triumphs and failures and business. That's right. We're going to explore situations that tested the medal of entrepreneurs pivotal moments required making decisions we'll be talking about some big companies that everybody knows like Disney LEGO and Harley Davidson and together we try to answer the question. What do you do when you find yourself at the brink? Listen. Subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Okay. Chaps so next up on the podcast. We've got a lovely lady from down under deep turned Australia who took the bachelor of ice storm by brigands, ladies and gentlemen, while we have chapter Lassus breed before going around. We actually have a small audio clip that we'd like to play for you eastern. Can you bring that up before we do that Bray? Are you there? The galaxy lovely lovely. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Cheers. Just so that was dean trying to do an Australian ackman, obviously, he's not as good as Yale. That's okay. I'm no pro either. I'm just trying to get by. Re this nonsense. You lovely at it. All right. Thanks sorry. Much. You're not to do. Sorry. Sorry. Brie. How are you? I'm so good. I'm actually in Vegas Raina working at a convention. Sun'll pay gonna break to sit and talk with you guys. But doing really well. But what you guys? We're gonna work are you doing well, I model for a living. So I am doing trade show in Vegas. It's called magic which has nothing to do with a magic show just to to showcase the more lines and each be them for different clothing lines. And I'm working with a when Brad specifically so yeah, a little fun invaded the week cool. So Bree, obviously, dean's doing the Australian accent because you came out of the limo. And didn't Australian accent in front of Colton even though you are not Australian. So my question is why did you do that? And how did you come up with the idea to do that? Well, I kind of decided last win it. But for me, I think that accents are super attractive like any time. I meet someone with an Australian accent in English accent. You know, kind of makes my heart sitter powder. I'm like, okay. Got that was pretty hot. That sounds like a lovely idea. Well, let me tell you gene loves and Australian axe abra before before we move on. Can I can you help me with something? Can you? I want you to embarrass me. Really quick. Okay. Oh, okay. So so track o- open up Instagram. Mansard. Yup. Go to my profile. Okay. Let me know when you got there being talking Rice's dean talking. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Go to click send a message. Well, are you asking me this just take me out? You'll understand when you get there. Just click send message. Okay. Did you already slide into her dams and now go ahead and read that message on airplanes for our listeners? Okay. All right. If you wanna come on, my podcast and share all of your accents with us L M K. Let me know a talent like yours. It shouldn't go to way. I'm looking at this rate. Now so dean, you DM debris on January fifteenth. Now, here's the thing. It says seen just read it. Oh, okay. All right. So here's the question. Did you see this DM like Maan January fifteenth and just never opened it? Yes. I did. First of all, I was still on the show at this point. So I didn't know like can I even respond to this? You know? There's not to respond respond to either well to be fair. I haven't responded to anyone. I just haven't MandA from the takeover all thing. It's fine. Because listen at the end of the day. All I wanted was for you to come on the podcast and share some accents with. Yeah. We already got a bit of an Australian accent the stray accident. So it's fine. I'm not I'm not like super. Yeah. Here. I am. I am. Let's make this more uncomfortable eastern. Here's a reset about dean on the most famous podcast. So all the guys up to date that will potentially be in paradise from this franchise who do you have your eye on? Now, if you're single then it would be a different story. But I I've been at this a couple of times, and I kind of my island dean right now, I know that I know he's said a couple of things, but I mean, I hope that that wouldn't hold him back from paradise. And I haven't spoken to gene at all. But I think that I would be interested in getting to know him. I have two quick questions of this one. Dean is your second choice. Ben's number one. Well, no, it was it was just to be funny. And you know, we know Ben taken. But no, this is true. I I had my eye on being we also have an Email here. If anyone's interested David says, I stumbled across a YouTube video of breathe from this season of the bachelor who said that if she were todate anybody from the franchise, she would choose deem. I know your drive from the bachelor world. But I think you're doing yourself a disservice by not taking advantage of all the options you have. I just want to get your thoughts on that deign to Jared, Vanessa Mark and eastern have to say about this. We need to get Bree. And this Email or in studio with teen and we need to figure this out live on help by second data breach. I'm gonna be alright I'm going to be honest with you, I'm gonna I'm gonna save you the headache. And just tell you right now, you probably don't wanna do. Contacting sabotage everything agree. Let me tell you dean have you ever seen in person have you? You haven't guessing you how I've not been probably would want dating him right now dean is dunning gorgeous. Not only, but he's not only stunning physically. He just has this amazing heart about him. And he is a rare catch. So I would love to invite you to the studio. I wish I could be there when I can actually see you guys meet for the first time in person, but we would love to have in studio. And maybe you guys could to have your first date on our podcast. Yeah. Okay. I'm down. I was supposed to come in today. Unfortunately, I was out of. Oh, I know. I know but being we both live in LA. So I think we make this happen. Okay. I'm going to be. Demand for. That timing. Timing is everything right? I your your world traveling model, I'm unemployed and all that stuff. So. The one you're working right now. Working real hard for sure. Abry we're gonna make it happen. But I'll tell you this too. It's definitely not going to happen in paradise. Because there's zero percent chance. I go back on that. I think I want to see you in paradise at the end of the day. Right. We want to see you on paradise Brie. I'm Natalie I want to be with dean, maybe she'll go to paradise and then realize at the end of day that you had me all along, and she'll she'll leave on her own free will and come back and go are you? Okay. Waiting until after summer because we have a bit of time. Yeah. I mean, sure go to Mexico. Get a nice tan for a month and then come back. All right. Breaking news on help is like dating breeze going to go on paradise and just date dean afterwards zone. Last resort. That's not the first time. And I'm sure it won't be the no, no, no, I'm kidding. So before you go, do you have any thoughts about last night's episode of the bachelor, did you watch? This was the only episode that I've missed and it's because I was on my flight you big time. So I haven't seen it. And I'll catch up later this week on Hulu, but film in what what what are you guys? I personally haven't seen an episode since after week three. I just is not caring. Britain tight last. On three was gone. I was like, well what the heck am I going to take the big? The big thing that happened last night was a lease. She left on her own. Today's Tuesday, bro. Okay. Oh, it's for breed. I was like, I'm not spoiling. I swear to God. You know, what's already happened friends with all of those people that are on that doesn't have a giant group tax. That has just diagnosed everything that's happened directing about. So yeah. A least left last night saying that she was unable to situation pretty much and she just wanted to get out of there. Acker it a little bit about it. I think it's totally different to go back and watch it all and, you know, see, see what's happened. Of course. Even like when I was on the show, you know, like just being girls interviews and things like that. It's like a totally different experience. Once once you get to watch it back, which is interesting. Did you have do you have one specific favorite moment from your time filming that was aired aired off air doesn't matter. Whatever you that much time. I had a good time. I went on the one crew the the group that we had. And I think I think that was really cool actually filmed in downtown. So I live in downtown LA, and I didn't really get too far on the show one all the way to in downtown. But. But that's still technically a long distance relationship down town geographic fireable in Venice. I'm on the west side and starts not far. That's not bad like twenty five minute drive. And I gotta tell you. I mean, I'm gonna take a man, but Bree you are beautiful woman. So dean. It would probably be worth the trip for. It's not just the beauty. That was her. She also seems very sweet, right? I'm just saw the accents. It's the accent. She seems like a catch teen. I'm feeling pretty good anyways. Bree. Enjoy the rest of your work in in Las Vegas won't be. It sounds like messengered really want you to come in studio. So I guess, you know, maybe we have to make that happen. Yourself that say, yes, make them work. I'm trying to downplay my excitement already got I've always was left on scene for the past three. Now. Jaanus? I talked about you several times. Now on interview that I'm glad you didn't in the EMS again. So I think it was on. You can't fly twice actually really excited. He sent me a screen shot of when he sent you that message. Embarrassing that I actually wasn't planning on sharing today that I guess at this point, I will share. Yeah. We're being very on inside. I did slide and again around like January twenty fifth this. I said, hey, the offer still stands, and then I was like I'm going to give her twenty four hours. Unscented? Honesty. I was like if she hasn't responded than twenty four hours. It's gone the man right there just giving brutal honesty. Love it. Pretty well. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. I think talking with you. I'm sufficiently embarrassed. Man. So I love that. You were just completely honest about on sending a message. Yeah. Everybody's been there where they send something, and they unscented it was one of those things to have that feature by the way wish they had that on the iphone. I I liked it. But then I started getting a lot of unscented notifications. And then it just kind of pissed me off. But yeah. So I waited till like Wednesday after she got eliminated. I was like, okay. She's probably the ends of died down a little bit. The Andro Wednesday Thursday afternoon came around, and I was like I'm just going to delete that she hasn't gone back to me. Now by that that she's never going to get back to me. And it was your second time. That's the thing. That's overeager. I just wanted to get her on the podcast at the end of the day. Okay. That's all I wanted. She's so I guess I love now. We know what dean's opening line is. Hey, do you wanna come on my podcast on my podcast? Yeah. Well, it's it's it conveys a little bit more. Redeem. I don't know. I don't know anyways. That's that's that wasn't Baresi Instagram is now the new dating app, that's how I met my new man. Well, I think we should end on a high. No, which is Brian Deane going to go steady here in a few minutes. But obviously a big thank you to all our guests today. A big thank you to Nasr Peres, a very good friend of the podcast back. Rob mac? Just rob. You check on nas-. I don't get a podcast and heartbroken anonymous, rob Mak what a great guest. He was. Unbelievable. What a great name, rob MAC, powerful name power. Thank you to open fit. Be sure to get a special extended thirty day free trial membership to open fit where you can lose up to fifteen pounds in thirty days. If that's what you wanna do when you texting to thirty thirty thirty. That's the three zero three zero three zero a big thank you to bre- Barnes for coming on the podcast, definitely hope to see her more in paradise. We'll say either I just want her either in paradise or dating you. That's that's the two of paradise. Lover. All right. Well as eastern Mark dean, Vanessa you guys are always the best. So make sure you guys tune in next week. 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