21 Burst results for "De Vries"
Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood
"de vries" Discussed on Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood
"Despite the bankruptcies, hacks and general foul mood in crypto, one metric is moving in the right direction. As we talked about earlier this year, Ethereum, the world's second largest crypto network, made a move to reduce the energy used in mining. That is the process for authenticating transactions on the blockchain. In September, Ethereum switched from the so called proof of work method, where a bunch of miners compete to solve an authentication puzzle with giant banks of supercomputers to a method called proof of stake, where just one minor validates a transaction using much less electricity. How much less is the subject of a new paper by Alex de vries, the founder of dig economist, a website that tracks cryptocurrency energy use. This change has had a tremendous impact on the energy consumption of the Ethereum network. They managed to reduce their energy consumption by at least 99.84% in absolute numbers that translate to as much electrical consumption as a country like Ireland or even Austria. So we're talking a really significant reduction in the power requirement of this network as a result of this change in the software. So Ethereum has reduced its power intake, has that had much of an effect on the crypto sectors, electricity consumption overall well, that's a much more difficult question to answer because the thing is, these devices that were previously being used in Ethereum were mostly graphic cards and graphic cards can quite easily be repurposed. For example, for the mining of other digital currencies, it's even the case that as these Ethereum miners were forced to shut down and remove their machines from the data center space they were using, Bitcoin miners that previously were unable to find the space they needed for their machines, took the space that became available after the Ethereum mine was left. And the started using their energy and therefore limiting the amount of energy reduction we have globally from this change in the software of the Ethereum system. I mean, the whole crypto ecosystem seems to be dealing with a basic loss of trust is becoming more energy efficient kind of a luxury problem in that context. As the market is getting more and more screech is only the ones that are having access to the cheapest forms of electricity and the ones that are having the most power efficient devices are going to be able to survive the current conditions that hasn't changed as always been the case but right now under the current market conditions, the ones that don't have the optimal setup or iron running the most optimal devices or just don't have access to the cheapest electricity are being forced to shut down and leave the mining market. Have you seen any indications that other crypto mining operations for other currencies might make the switch? Well, it depends on the cryptocurrency, the thing is in Ethereum, it was always part of their plan to make the switch. They had this thing in their road map from basically day one. And that's not been the case for Bitcoin, for example. They don't have any plans whatsoever to make a similar change to their software. So at the moment, there is no reason to be optimistic that this will happen in Bitcoin as well. So we have this more sustainable method of crypto authentication, but the crypto sector is going through some tumultuous times lately. There's the bankruptcy of the FTX crypto exchange. We've seen a bunch of crypto hacks. There's been this dramatic downturn in crypto valuations. I mean, what are your findings mean in light of all this other stuff going on? Well, I think we need to establish that the very fact that crypto asset prices have been under a lot of pressure recently is already putting pressure on the energy consumption of these networks as well. For the very simple reason, the crypto miners often get paid a fixed amount of coins for every block they create. So as the value of those coins goes down, they simply have less money to spend on resources like energy and hardware. That is pretty good news for the environment. Hey, we can see that over the past couple of months, the Bitcoin network, even though they have no plans to change their software, the energy consumption of the network went down by probably up to 50%, simply from the Bitcoin price going down. Though, of course, it would be a much better solution if they also changed their software because that's the only way to receive or to achieve a near 100% reduction
The Autosport Podcast
"de vries" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"And yeah, he had a great day. He was on cloud 9 when we spoke to him afterwards and he said that when I signed I was 90% happy because the team was, I thought it would be good, but they had not had a superb stars this season. Then when they finished the season said, I was a 100% happy because they'd made this massive improvement and he said now I'm a hundred plus percent happy. So it's going up and up. Yeah, he said that the atmosphere he could feel was so special. He said it's amazing, strive for another iconic brand, having driven for Ferrari as well. He said that he had a bit of left back pain because the seat wasn't quite fitted correctly and things like that in terms of his adjustment so his little things, but he said basically today I was about getting used to all the systems and everything but he's really, really pleased with what he found. So yeah, very happy Fernando Alonso he's I think fully on board thinking I made the right move for next year and there was an interesting comment that someone asked him about the engine reliability, which obviously was such a weak point for our pen this year and cost him so many points and he said that when he was told the mileage of the engine when he got into the car this morning he was a bit worried because he said by my standards that's like really, really high, but around without missing a beat and he said the reliability is outstanding. So yes, already little maybe little veiled digs going towards his former team. About halfway through the day, as you pointed out earlier on your Twitter, Luke Smith, F one, if Alice has won a follow you, he was the first out this morning. I think he was asked halfway through the day how it's going. I forget who it was posted that and I think his answer was, it was different. And it kind of made me think of that. That Friends seen dredging things out of the memory banks where Ross Ross hasn't. Well, tell me about it, then if you want to talk about it, was it better or worse? He goes, wow. It was just different. And I'm like, no, Fernando. Just say it's better. You've left your old team. He was then asked. Was it better? Better different. And he just smiled and didn't say anything. Funny. And let's talk a little bit about Haas actually. And their drivers today. Yeah, Nico hulkenberg, he's back in an F one car. He's finally obviously announced last Thursday. He swept him yesterday as well, and he's ready to return to F one for the first time in what three years next year. And today was important for him to get fully up to pace, obviously. He said he was dragging a little bit physically towards the end said there was sort of human degradation going on in terms of just doing the laps. He did a 110 laps, so I think that's to be expected. For any number fans out there, I'm treating all the fans of various niches today. He did a one minute 27.000 and his number is 27, so that's a brief moment of satisfaction in the media center. Let's talk, oh, and who was he driving with today? Pietro Fittipaldi. Yes, as you say, Emerson's grandson. He's been reserved, obviously, for the past couple of years, made two Grand Prix starts at the end of 2020 when Roman Grosjean had his accident, but as the rules say it's two or less starts, he is eligible as a rookie for this test. And yeah, it's unclear what he's going to be doing next year with Haas if he's going to continue with the team or not against Steiner said in Brazil, it kind of depends on what Pietro wants to do in terms of racing, how available is, but yeah, that's something to keep an eye on. AlphaTauri, just to finish off the last couple of teams, who was driving for them today. So they had Nick de vries making his debut for them, he's on loan from Mercedes still he's been Mercedes reserve driver for the past couple of years. We didn't get a chance to speak to him. He was also in unbranded overalls, but the car was fully decked up. He did more laps than anybody else there, a 151, so that's a real mammoth, stint by him in the car, but a good chance for him to kind of get scripts with where things are at. And they had Yuki Snowden on the other side of the garage here. Yeah, also did a huge number of laps a 135, so what two 8 6? That's a lot of laps in the day for Alfa towery. So yeah, very productive by them. A different running and different intensity, but almost doing a three or two and a half race distance over a day again. It's going to take its time a little bit sore. I imagine tomorrow, but he's fine. He can he can cope with that. And finally, Williams, fill us in. Yeah, Logan Sargent confirmed finally as a Formula One driver yesterday, we knew he had the super license we knew it was coming, but they made that final announcement yesterday after noon. And he said, yeah, it felt a little bit different today getting in the car knowing like I'm not this isn't an FP one and it's not like I've got to be super gentle and make sure that I don't crash it and also I get my hundred kilometers in the super license point that he can now just go for it with
Coin Stories with Natalie Brunell
"de vries" Discussed on Coin Stories with Natalie Brunell
"On the network is very old and hence inefficient, requiring more electricity per unit of hash than a newer Fleetwood. More generally, the energy consumption model debris relies on that The White House is citing here, has been heavily and in my opinion fatally criticized by Ben gingham, the chief mining officer at bit farms. The de vries model doesn't actually follow its own stated methodology. It didn't reflect changes in the actual Bitcoin network in 2021. Indicating that de vries was manually tuning the model to make it show a higher energy consumption figure that even the model would have outputted. There's additional issues with debris assumptions around hardware too. He contradicts himself, claiming at once the hardware turns over extremely quickly with his E waste estimates, yet claiming Bitcoin has a very old fleet with his energy estimates. Number two, E waste. The E waste claim which relies entirely on a debris paper is just absurd. De vries flips from thinking the Bitcoin asic fleet is extremely old with his energy consumption estimates to thinking that it turns over very quickly. Falsely assuming in the E waste paper that Bitcoin asics are fully depreciated and junked every 1.3 years. This 1.3 estimate comes from a misapplication of kumi's law, a completely irrelevant observation about the historical growth in the efficiency of computers. This obviously has nothing to do with a 6 specifically and can not be used as the basis for a top down estimate of E waste. We have plenty of real actual data on how long a 6 last. Certain vintages, like the S 9, we're still chugging away 5 years into their lives in 2021. These are machines that you turn on and spit out money. Someone will always run them if they are producing above break-even given electricity costs. This is why contra devries, there is a vibrant secondary market for asics. Older models get retired from initial buyers to operators who have low electricity costs and who can still run them profitably. This 1.3 fold appreciation and trashing of asics assumed by debris is a premise completely out of step with reality, easily determined if you talk to minors or read their public disclosures or look at the secondary market. Asics aren't thrown away when they are old. They are sold on in the secondary market. They contain virtually no toxic parts and can be recycled. They are mostly aluminum by weight. I address the E waste paper from debris and stole more fully in a letter to the EPA signed by the CEOs of many large financial institutions, active in the Bitcoin space. Number three emissions debris makes many estimates regarding cryptocurrency emissions rather than just energy use. This is extremely questionable, and there's a reason few academics do this because we don't have energy mixed data, which would be necessary to derive an emissions estimate. The Bitcoin mining council publishes some data on minor sustainability via voluntary disclosures, covering about half the network. This is ignored in The White House report. But this alone is insufficient. To estimate emissions, you'd need to know what power source miners are actually using. Many miners are foreign and run by private entities. Unlike the subset of the network that is run by publicly traded companies in the U.S., these private firms don't disclose much about their energy inputs. So emissions estimates are extremely vague. To the point where presenting that data without extreme caveats is irresponsible. Generally, they are based on average energy mixes and regions where miners are located. But this is questionable because miners often use highly idiosyncratic local energy sources, like collocating with a hydro dam, and they disguise their locations, so IP based tracing is not
Coin Stories with Natalie Brunell
"de vries" Discussed on Coin Stories with Natalie Brunell
"Uninitiated observer like peer reviewed scientific papers. In fact, they are non reviewed blog posts in scientific garb. You'd think The White House office of science policy might be exercising more caution and perform a cursory review of the resources they are citing. Maybe they don't care. This commentary trick is also done by debris collaborators, dollar store fur clawson and stole. For instance, in their 2020 article. Of course cited in the OSTP report. It's a common way to launder sciencey claims into the scientific literature and press without actually facing any scrutiny for those claims. Journalists almost never verify that the articles aren't actual scientific journal articles. As for digi economists, it's even more straightforward. It's just not science. It was even rejected as a valid citation by Wikipedia for the energy section of the Bitcoin page. Thanks to level 39 for pointing this out. As a hobby website blog, it is not rigorous. When fact checked by industry experts, it is frequently shown to be erroneous. It's estimates are consistently far, far above those issued by more rigorous academics, but The White House office of science is much more permissive and is willing to accept debris amateur assertions as fact. Devries cited 16 times in the document. Did economists cited 23 times, collectively this makes debris the number one source for The White House report. The far more authoritative, less exaggerated and genuinely academic and neutral, taking no industry financing, Cambridge center for alternative finance is cited ten times. Take table a four in the appendix, which purports to compile GHG emissions for a number of cryptocurrencies from an array of academics of the 24 data points cited fully 58% are debris digit economist. One is more at all 2018, basically tinfoil hack climate truth or more on that later. And one derives from the questionable stole class in and gala store for. So that's 16 out of 24 cited data points in the table that are extremely questionable or completely meritless. I can't overstate the absurdity of Morris paper in particular. To address the substance of debris would take an entire dissertation because this strategy is to generate a huge volume of material and claims, all of which take far more energy to rebut than they do to dream up. There's three broad claims The White House relies on for de vries dig economist. Energy consumption estimates, emissions estimates and E waste estimates. Each has been dealt with elsewhere capably, but I'll address them briefly. Number one, energy consumption. De vries's guesses come in way, way higher than is more credible peers. Look at the table a one in the appendix. Debris comes in at 144 terawatt hours per year for Bitcoin versus Cambridge's 88 terawatt hours per year. For eth, devries guesses 93.9 terawatt hours per year versus Kyle MacDonald's 22.9 for the same time period. His estimates are consistently far, far higher than competing ones by other researchers. He biases the estimate upwards for Bitcoin by assuming that the average asic
The Autosport Podcast
"de vries" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Now we know highly tipped this week we think the announcement will come that he'll be partnering Yuki tsunoda at AlphaTauri with a deal for gasly to go to Alpine. What were those in the initial rumors that swirled after his incredible performance? This is a situation where Williams wants him. You'd want to get a contract in front of him pretty quickly, give him a nice two year deal so that he's not casting his net about for a couple of years and there's that security as well. If Alpine makes the offer, you know, maybe he goes there but what are they going to offer are they going to offer a one year deal and then bring doing in for 2024? Are they going to make the same mistake with doing that they do with piastre, there's lots of different variables here. They haven't covered themselves in glory with the contract negotiations and whatever it was terms of heads or whatever that agreement was that wasn't signed on piastres. So Alpine aren't exactly I would say flavor of the month, perhaps with the driving community because they haven't treated drivers lately, perhaps best. Whilst the Williams was fast at Monza, is it fair to say that perhaps Alpine would be the quicker car? As a manager, you'd want to play both sides a little bit to get the best deal for your driver. Yes, you would. You'd be leaning on our pen a little bit, make sure that it's a two year deal that's well paid. And then you get Nick that drive. If it's a one year deal, you get on the Williams drive for more than that. That's the game I would play because it would suit me better that he was in a drive for a couple of years than just for one. And as time went on after the race, then the AlphaTauri conversation started with Pierre gasly being suggested as going to Alpine. Of course, a big French OEM already have a French man in ocon driving for them, could have gasly there as well. The ultimate French team. And then Red Bull and Christian Horner started playing the politics and of course that's what they're very good at and saying, well, we're not going to let him go without either some, you know, compensation and a half decent driver to put inside at AlphaTauri team and of course Nick de vries would be more than a half decent driver to put in that team alongside Yuki tsunoda next year. So we are just waiting for the announcement. We think this week we think at least before. Suzuka this weekend. That's all to come. That's also come, but we can't let you go without this brilliant fact of him scoring points on his debut. That whilst it's a very rare thing to do to score points on your F one debut. Not only has it been done plenty of times before, but it's actually becoming more common. Who are some of those names in the past that you can run through that have scored points on their first outing? Well, I can think of two names that did it at Williams, which de vries in very exalted company because Nico Rosberg did it in 2006 in Bahrain and he got the fastest lap, I believe in that race as well. That 2006 car wasn't particularly good, but it was very quick at Bahrain. And Jacques Villeneuve did it ten years before Nico Rosberg did it with second place at the Australian Grand Prix. The race is a formula E teammate stoffel van Doorn has done it. Deputizing for an injured Fernando Alonso at Bahrain in 2016 at McLaren got a point. Carlos Sanchez junior has done it. Melbourne 2015 and Max Verstappen would have scored in that race. Had he not had a failure. Some of it is a little bit variable. There is Kimi Räikkönen in 2001 who assumes 6th when Olivier panis was sent back to 7th place for passing under yellow flags and Sebastian Vettel's on it in 2007. Guano did it this year with Alfa Romeo Bahrain. Yuki tsunoda did it last year in 2021 with ALF tauri, which led Ross Braun's declare him the most exciting rookie that he'd seen in many, many years. I think trajectories dropped off a little bit since then. But there's so many names to have scored points in the debut, I believe Alain Prost has, Sebastian Bourdais, four time champ car winner, also scored points on his debut despite having a disappointing Formula One career. Lots of lots of names, some truly exalted company that de vries joins and maybe some lesser drivers as well. Locked in, but yeah, it's such a smorgasbord of recognized drivers from across, not just F one, but different disciplines who have come into F one, score points on their debut, maybe it works out for them long term, maybe it didn't, but it's a truly exciting list of drivers there. Absolutely. And especially those names pre 2010 when it was ten down to 8th or ten points out to one point rather from first to 8th in the early noughties and then the sort of 90s point structure. And you have to finish the top 6 to even score points. And that is so really, really impressive for those names you mentioned like an frost and others in there. Now, I was talking to our chief editor Kevin Turner. And he gave me a name that he says, I bet JBL doesn't mention this name and I think it's really unfair of him because this person didn't score points on their debut and yet they did score points on their debut. This person is a British racing driver that did a point scoring finish when they appeared in Formula One in 1984, but also didn't score points. Does any of that sound too cryptic to even have a stab at who Kev was talking about? Very, very cryptic. It's really unfair of him to raise this one because it's like in 84. Man, it's debut 84, British racing driver scored points on his debut, but also didn't score points on his debut. Let me give you the answer because I'm like, Kev, this is too unfair because this is like, it's just a gotcha. Martin Brundle came into Formula One with tyrrell in 1984. Of course. And finished 5th in his first race in Brazil, he also scored a second place in Detroit, but that year, tyrrell were later disqualified from the world championship because of a technical infringement and Martin Brundle would lose all of his points and therefore not officially according to the record books a point scorer on his debut even though he was, and I said, Kev, that is a mean one. Trip up JBL. But I don't know. It's pretty obscure. But I'm annoyed I didn't get that. I'm really annoyed. I had no idea. When he was telling me, I'm like, I would never get civilian years. But you guys are the experts. So there you go. Maybe next time you're in the paddock and you see Martin Brundle, and we're talking about points on debut. Maybe don't remind him of that because Formula One drivers are notoriously spiky when being reminded of bad things. But there we go. Thank you very much for joining us on the podcast today. JBL, we're really appreciate it as good fun one. Really fun podcast to do today. Thank you for listening and we'll catch you on the next one.
The Autosport Podcast
"de vries" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Was in car sea. He was very, very highly rated and very highly sought after and he became a McLaren junior. It was kind of Ron Dennis protege back around sort of like 2012, 2013 when he was in formula Renault Euro cup for fans of Formula One around then. If you remember the McLaren tune series, the CGI sort of little comedy series with Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton in it. He made a starring role on a couple of occasions when he was around 16 or 17 years old. We spoke about that earlier this year actually. Just in case that you have a fancy is doing voice acting again. I think he quite enjoyed the experience. But he was a Euro cup champion in 2014. Moved up to Formula One O 3.5 with dams and it's a really big step between those two series. I know that two and 3.5, it doesn't seem like a big step, but it kind of was at the time. But he still finished third overall. Kind of took the backwards step to GP three. Had Charles Leclerc and Alex Albon in his team, but I don't think he particularly got on with that with that car. I think it was a bit difficult for him to reconcile with the backward step. But then moved up to F two in 2017. Did a sort of a weird campaign where he was with rap acts for the first half of the season and rap acts was they'd won the championship 2010 with pastel Maldonado but by then it was their last year in F two and they didn't have the resources or the money that some of the teams like prema or ART or dams had. So we did half the season with them and then half the season with racing engineering, who was also on the way out at that point. But you had a good season, you won the sprint race at Monaco, shared a good account of himself. But then he was very much in championship contention in 2018, which was the year that I was there. He was part of that pack with George Russell, Lando Norris, Alex Albon, de vries finished fourth in that year's championship, but he was every bit as quick as them. Really, really good in changeable conditions. The thing that I would kind of notice back then was that he was really, really engineers and knew exactly what he wanted behind the car. And like 90% of the time he was doing really, really good things. There's just that little 10% sort of slight bit of brain fade or slight bit of over aggression that would cause some trouble. So I think that ultimately contrived against him. So he did need a third year and I know it's not very fashionable amongst those that making the decisions in F one of which drivers they want to bring through. I think that's the same situation at Felipe drugovich is kind of facing now, having won it in his third year, but Reese did win 2019. It wasn't a particularly strong field. But I think at that point, as I said earlier, the chances of F one kind of dried up. So that brought him to formula E with Mercedes. He lost his McLaren backing at that point, Mercedes brought him in. Formula E program kind of a reserve program as well alongside fellow McLaren karst off a vandal at Mercedes. The team has just been really, really, as dominant as it's possible to be in formula E let's say. 2020 21, that was a really strange season where I think the top 16 to the top 18 by the time they got to Berlin could have theoretically won the championship. And it might sound a bit fluke, but de Reese was at the top at the front all season. He wasn't as consistent, let's say, as some of the others, but he got the wins where he needed to. And so he kind of got that over the line in a very, very strange and inconsistency. This year has not been quite as good. Stoffel vandoorne has been the stronger McLaren Mercedes driver. It will be McLaren next year. And one that I thought with this relentless consistency that de vries just couldn't seem to get his hands on, struggling with brake issues earlier this year. A few incidents of perhaps being a little bit over aggressive and trying to defend when he didn't need to defend. There have been a number of spats as such. But a few collisions between him and Lucas de grasse this season and him and Andre Lotterer this season and they're probably the three most aggressive drivers on the grid so when they get together it is fireworks. So it's not been a particularly great year in formula E and he did just miss out on the top ten of the official autosport formula E rankings as a coin flip between him and Nick Cassidy. But even though they're sort of been a few moments where he's had difficult years, it has been a sort of steady upward trend and upward progression. You know, it might not be the most fashionable junior career, but he's won when he's needed to, you know, from personal perspective, I think he kind of has proven himself over the years and I think Formula One's kind of slept on him a little bit. So to bring this full circle, tell us about what happened in the immediate aftermath of that point's finish in Monza. He was immediately tipped to join Williams, Latifi leaving, and partnering Alex Albon there. Also, tip to join Alpine because they're doing a pretty decent job of letting half decent drivers slip through their fingers. And now we know highly tipped this week we think the announcement will come that he'll be partnering Yuki tsunoda at AlphaTauri with a deal for gasly to go to Alpine.
The Autosport Podcast
"de vries" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"It really stood out, I think. And P 14, you know, I think on pace probably Williams could have done a little bit more. It was what it was and it was still a good effort. And of course, it was a grid dominated by penalties. And the eventual eventual, by the time it came through late on Saturday night, grid order. And of course, the attention was on the title protagonist wears Max Verstappen gonna be. As for the race though, how did he go? Now we know there was no big Monza madness at turn one, no bits of carbon fiber flying everywhere. He settled into a DRS train behind Ricardo. And also, he was driving a car which our listeners might expect, if not to be trundling around at the back of Formula One, not be competitive. What was it about this particular car at this particular racetrack that gave him such a good Sunday afternoon? How did his race go? The thing with the Williams is, which, you know, I think definitely contributes to divorce as a result is that it's really, really good in a straight line. If you think about the 2009, for example, when the force India was pretty hopeless everywhere, but spa and at Monza, it was really, really good. It had good straight line speed. And when it was in low drag spec, it could further that advantage. And so although the Williams isn't quite as splitter as that force India was, it's a decent car. It's just not as good as the others on the grid. When de vries got off, the line you did hold position, he held 8th. Obviously Verstappen next to him on the grid. After his penalties kind of just flew off into the distance and eventually would win. But the race was able to hang on. And although they were faster cars like Carlos Sainz and Lewis Hamilton, all making up for the trying to attain for their grip penalties and making their way up the order. To freeze remained in the points and the fact that that Williams was able to sort of cling on to Pierre gasly and Daniel Ricciardo and Lando Norris that kind of DRS train. That kept him in the race. That kept him in the fight and that was absolutely vital. The fact that he was able to kind of understand how this race was going to go and rather than try anything to outlandish down at turn one or throw a nose down the inside and potentially put him up put himself out of position. I think he saw the bigger picture. And knew that if he could just cling on particularly during the first half of the race before all the pit stops kicked off, he would be in a really good position. And that's what he did and sure he had those faster cars attacking him. And then later in the race, he had kind of gone new Joe behind him to try and fight him really for what became 9th place. He did really well to hang on. Even after the pit stops, he was outside of that second grace period with DRS behind gasly and behind Ricardo. I think he was about two to three seconds off and he was able to put in the laps on those fresh tyres to get back up to them and then remain in that DRS train and let them kind of carry him forward. So I think that was, again, another kind of smart driving aspect of his day, where he did see that bigger picture and he was like, I'm not going to take too many risks here because I want to show what I can do. Even if a risky move down the inside turn one or something like that, even if that would work, the chances are is that it might not. We've seen so many people launch a move down the inside and if they've not had the if they've had to kind of dive bomb, it just doesn't end well for anybody. So I think that was part of it, just trying to sort of stay calm, stay cool and do what he can with the car without taking too much out of it. And then right at the final moment now, of course, everybody crossed the line under the safety car conditions, although it's safety card peeled off, no overtaking to the line. He knew those in those final laps that he'd secured points, but it was after the flag dropped that there was late drama, and we heard about an investigation into his driving. What was that and how did it end? That was, so yeah, that was under the safety car and they were just coming, they came around the first lesmo. And de vries had a warning on his dashboard that was something along the lines of he was far below the delta time. That you need to be at or above, so it just makes sure that you're not speeding under the safety car or anything silly like that. Even though he was sort of holding formation, the delta time was well below, and he was like, why is this the case? And he got on the pit wall, and he was like, why I got such a low delta time when I'm keeping pace with everybody around them. And I think it was just a glitch in the system or something like that. But so what he had to do was he had to slam on the brakes just to make sure that when he got round to the next sector, he was above that time again. He had to slam on the brakes and maybe that I think that was the part that got reported because he wasn't particularly familiar with the systems and because he was literally thrown into that car at the last minute. The FIA did show a little bit of leniency, which maybe it's rare, maybe it's not, but I think it was probably the right call because again, it was just, it wasn't really anything you have much control over. He did get the reprimand for alleged erratic driving, but that was all he got, which I think on the balance of it was fairy. Everybody was moving slowly. He didn't break test anybody, just kind of had to put the anchors on a little bit just to make sure that he was getting around at the right time. Great news that he got to keep his points and keep his turned on dear listener because we are going to take a quick break and then when we're back, an amazing stat about Dutch drivers, a look at Nick de vries's path into Formula One and the somewhat unconventional by modern rules of engagement journey, he took, and also at the end of the podcast, a bit of fun. Other Formula One drivers that have scored points on their debut drive stick around back in a second. Okay, welcome back to the show. Now JBL. What is it with this points finish for a Dutchman? Alongside Max Verstappen, of course, that gave us a somewhat quirky result that stacked fans will truly love. I have checked this. I'm sure this maybe somebody will point out that I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that is the only time in Formula One where two Dutch drivers have scored in a race. So that will make the Dutch fans absolutely delighted because prior to Max Verstappen. There weren't a lot of successful Dutch drivers and I think, you know, the most successful one pre max was Jos Verstappen, and there wasn't another Dutch driver on the grid around then, who was scoring any points. So yeah, it was, I believe, it's the first time to touch drivers of school at a point. And it was the first time to Dutch drivers have been on the grid together since 2006 when Christian Albert was driving from Midland and Robert dawn boss was driving for Red Bull, so spitting straight facts here. There we go. Let's spit some straight facts about his journey though. So you followed Nick the recent press officer at formula two. You followed him three more recent years, but what's his motor sport journey, his career journey. He's kind of in this interesting no man's land into land of he's not graduating from those feeder series as a 1920 year old, equally, he's got a few years before his 30th birthday when the tunnel vision in Formula One tends to focus on the next big thing. What's been his journey so far?
The Autosport Podcast
"de vries" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"We find out about his 60 minute warning to suit up. His circuitous route into Formula One, and whether that was even looking likely before his tips moved to AlphaTauri, and after scoring points on his debut, which other drivers have done the same, in Formula One, let's get up to speed with auto sports, Jake box or leg. Hey JBL, welcome back to the podcast. Thank you for having me. Delighted to be able to talk about all things Nick divorce. You wrote a fantastic piece for our subscribers on autosport plus on McDavid. And that crazy 24 hours that you had in Italy. What was it about this story that attracted you to write something about him? To answer the I've known Nick on and off since kind of 2018 back when I was a formula twos press officer. And so I've kind of kept an eye on his career, obviously winning formula two the season after, but then sort of hitting a sort of a little bit of a bump in the road, let's say, with regards to aspirations to get into F one. And now the fact that he's finally had that chance to show what he can do, there's just so many consequences of that, not just for him, but I think for other drivers as well. Formula One and I guess the relationship with formula E it's there's lots of sort of different tangents that we can pick at. So it's just a really good story as well to see someone that was on the brink of F one for so long actually get a chance and share what you can do. Well, fill us in then. It all began with his Saturday morning coffee, probably basking in a bit of satisfaction. He had a Friday outing for Aston Martin. It went pretty well, Vettel gave him some compliments afterwards about his he rated his feedback. So he was in the F one paddock on behalf of Mercedes, who supply Aston. So he's sitting down with his skinny latte. What happened next? I think it was a cappuccino actually. So we're using the paddock club actually. He had a cappuccino and he was pretty much sort of ready to go talk to guests and do little presentation or whatever drivers do in the paddock club. I have met the people behind the paddock club before and they do an excellent job in getting all of these drivers to engage with the fans who have spent a lot of money to be part of that. Anyway, he was working on his appearance and getting ready to go and James vowels, the Mercedes chief strategist gets on the phone, Nick, you needed down at Williams now because Alex Albon has got a appendicitis and they need someone to drive and you're available. You've driven the Williams for four, so he's got seat ready as one of the nominated reserves. Can you go down and get in? So it was very much a case of rushing down to the Williams pit lane. Getting his overalls on, making sure that the seat still fits. And then getting the pedals and the inside of the car changed from because Alex Albany is quite a tall driver, 6 foot one and Nick is quite short. He's 5 6, I believe. So it was a matter of chopping off a few inches from the overall cockpit and getting him ready to go. And he did in free practice three. How did practice go on that Saturday? And how did quality go? Particularly compared to his teammate Nicholas Latifi, who has a lot of experience in that Williams car. Well, there was a little bit of overflow in the preparations for FP three. And so de vries, I think he only got about 35 minutes on track actually. But you know, sent out on a set of tires and just kind of told to go around, get used to the car, get a feel for it, that kind of thing. Just to get him up to speed. And by the end of the session, he was only a tenth of Latifi, which is, you know, pretty decent given la TV has been in the car all year and diverse as he's driven it before in FP one at Spain, but that's kind of it. And unlike the Aston FP one drive as well, we hadn't had the simulator time to kind of prepare for it. So although he knew the Mercedes systems, it was just a case of getting used to the car again. So being a tenth off isn't bad, he did have a little bit of an excursion at the lesbos, but you know it's so easy at Monza and to pick it out of the gravel trap. That's pretty easy. But it was really qualifying where he was really, really impressive, and he outpaced Latifi in Q one. He did have a lap time deleted, but his previous time was still enough to get him through, which was a fantastic effort and to have that kind of consistency of the bat of being able to set two times good enough to get through to Q two, sorry. That's a really good feat. He finished 14th overall, so he was knocked out, but he did kind of have a chance to get through and he was in the first sector particularly. He was very, very quick. Got a little bit deep into the chicane variante de la roger. And that was kind of it for his lap, but you know, he had a chance of getting through to Q three, which is unthinkable when you kind of think about, you know, just 12 hours previous, he was ready to just sit on the pit wall next to toto wall through the weekend. He's now driving in a car and has a very real chance of getting through to Q three.
The Autosport Podcast
"de vries" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Been under the pressure where he's needed his wheel to wheel to wheel prowess and skills to win a race because Ferrari dropped the ball comprehensively so many times. And in fact, it's been looked back to Austria. Clergy and the overtaking, right? So that's the way that potentially Ferrari could have won that race. You know, make them go wheel to wheel force Verstappen into a mistake. Hope that leclerc can hold on, didn't come to that. And in the end, even then the faster car should still win over the course of a race if it all ran to the checkered flag. So yeah, Ferrari did excellently, but they were just never going to win that race, I think. That's interesting, because Kev also says that one of the things that he thinks Verstappen is building as he becomes a championship, you know, double multiple championship winner is racecraft and a lack of desperation. Am I here and you write that you think that that might still be in his driving if forced or has getting that monkey off his back? It's hard, isn't it? It's hypothetical, but if he had gone wheel to wheel, do you think that he's more of a relaxed kind of big picture player now that he's got the world championship? I think it's both things are true at the same time, simply because we haven't had enough data to prove one way or the other. If that makes sense if you look back, if you look back to the early rounds, he did seem to be racing leclerc with a more healthy amount of respect and keeping things clean than he did against Hamilton in the latter races 2021. Don't forget also he had all those penalty points that he earned quite rightly at the end of 21, 2021 for his driving there. Hanging over him. So I'm sure that was probably a consideration. These cars you can race them differently. You don't, I think it's interesting I asked max a few questions zambo about this year compared to last year and is just they are easier to race. They're not ahead of a lot easier to race these cars, but they are easier. So he's not going to have to make the certain amount of desperation and just hoping it all works out that you would see like look at some of Daniel Ricciardo's famous moves. It of course is Formula One career. A lot of them are on the line of are you slightly out of control, are you relying on my other driving not hitting you? It comes off fair enough well play. He knows it, right? But I don't think you need to do that quite so much with these new cars because you can run closer. You don't hurt your tires. It's not quite as do or die. So I think there's an element of Verstappen has driven differently this year. But equally, he hasn't been put under the same amount of pressure. The pressure to win your first world title going up against Lewis Hamilton, the best driver of all time to many people who is famously very, very clean and we will fight unless your Fernando ones are going around the outside of Lake on the Belgian ground pay a few weeks ago. Things like that. He hasn't he hasn't been tested that way. And when there was a weird, they got close to the start in Silverstone, leclerc and Verstappen Verstappen gave pretty much no quarter, but was well within the rules, and then yeah, the driving at the end of that race when he was basically on a damaged limitation drive against Mick Schumacher was like, oh yeah, the ruthless question we're driving Verstappen is still in there. So yeah, my answer to the question I said earlier, it's both things are true at the same time. Be probably think you lean towards the driver grows, gets that more experience that yeah, it is that Verstappen is becoming a more rounded, more rounded racing driver. Absolutely. I'll finish off some of the stats. DNS today for Daniel Ricciardo, who I mentioned, which caused that full safety car at the end the last 6 laps, Lance stroll, Alonso and Vettel, fastest lap today, Sergio Pérez set on lap 46 now, the polls at a Charles Leclerc finishing second today, no point looking at the gap times because we finished under the safety car. And second place George Russell, who inherited second place on the grid coming home third, a fourth a Carlos Sainz working his way back up the grip at Lewis Hamilton finishing 5th, then Sergio Pérez followed by Norris gasly Nick de vries will come on to him actually after he talked about the top three because that's the other big story that I and Zhou guang final points in ten so it's good Hayden to see Max Verstappen on the Monza podium and George Russell for the first time as well the boo boys were back. I was talking about booing to one of my American Friends recently. And he didn't get it. He was like, but that's just a part of sport. You know, anything about Americans why don't we he was thinking of baseball or something. He's like, what's the big deal booing fine? It's friendly. I think the reaction over this year, then there's been that kind of thing going on. Maybe the media made a big deal of it, maybe it's with British, I don't know. It's fair enough on their home soil for whatever reason they might have felt a bit cheated because of that safety car finish. But yeah, the boo boys were back. It was max bothered by that at all you heard from him afterwards. Oh yeah, not at all shrugged it off. And I think in fairness to the situation, it could have been basically it was whoever won the race. It wasn't because it was maxed up and obviously the context being the championship leader fighting the Ferraris is there. But we would interpret the tifosi booze. Well, more about the situation of how the race ended basically denying their hero Ferrari and the chance to attack for the win because it was set up like you say with behind the safety car a few laps to go, you thought there's a late dash for the flag or on here, but that obviously never never material. So I think the booze were more in the state of how the race ended, denying everyone a bit of a late drama, which was, as you said, we said earlier, was basically never on the cars because we're staffing was so comfortable up the road.
Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood
"de vries" Discussed on Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood
"Race each other to verify transactions. The fastest minor wins some crypto. But that takes a lot of electricity. So, soon, blockchain platform Ethereum will shift to a different method, proof of stake. Instead of multiple horses slash miners running and expending energy at the same time, one validator wins a lottery to verify the transaction. Alex de vries, the founder of digi economist, explained what the shift means. That changes the block creation process in such a way that you no longer need the energy intensive hardware anymore. In fact, in proof of stake, you do still need a device with an active Internet connection and you do need to run that device 24/7, but a big part of the energy consumption that's needed to run the energy in terms of proof of work just gets eliminated essentially overnight. So what's the significance of Ethereum choosing two switch from one system to the other? The biggest implications will be in terms of environmental sustainability, what we see is that a proof of work mining based cryptocurrency like Bitcoin and Ethereum before the merge can also be responsible for a huge amount of energy consumption we see that Bitcoin and Ethereum network combined were consuming as much power as all data centers in the world together roughly 1% of our total global electricity consumption just for these two networks, but if you move away from the energy intensive mining and you replace it with proof of stake, you can reduce the power requirement to run such a system by at least 99% and potentially even more than that. What would this transition mean for the miners and especially those and those companies that have invested so much money in building up this computing capacity to compete for those blocks under the proof of work model? Or simply said the miners are going to be out of business. There will be nothing to mine. It's just a process that's no longer required when you make this switch. Bitcoin is still going to operate on the proof of work model. Can miners who are losing out in this Ethereum merge, just switch over to mining Bitcoin? It's not that simple because the Bitcoin and Ethereum systems use different type of mining algorithms. I will not go into the technical details, but what it comes down to is that you can't use Bitcoin mining devices to mine Ethereum and vice versa. You're not going to have any success mining Bitcoin with Ethereum mining devices. What are the chances that Bitcoin, which is bigger than Ethereum and also has this huge environmental impact might also switch over to proof of stake rather than proof of work. I think that's a very complicated question to be honest because if you ask the community directly, the Bitcoin community directly, they will say, will never switch and they have made the lack of change in Bitcoin part of their marketing they're saying, okay, Bitcoin is the safest cryptocurrency you can invest in because it will never change. Whereas in Ethereum, from the very beginning, there has always been this plan to move from proof of work to proof of stake. And we've seen over the past year, the energy use of the Bitcoin network in particular has managed to draw a lot of attention from regulators around the world. Any talk about the potential ban might be back on the table in no time. And if that happens, of course, the environment can rapidly turn against the Bitcoin community, but that's all speculative and will first have to see whether this merch is going to be successful and whether that's success is going to last. Alex de vries of dig economist. And now for some related links, coin desk has a great piece outlining the difference between proof of stake and proof of work. We'll link to that coverage on our website, marketplace tech dot org. The Ethereum merge is set to take place later this month, but the software to make the merge happen has already started its work. Programmers have nicknamed that software switch, bellatrix. We'll link to a picture of what that switch looks like. Think lots of programming language. And Alex's site dig economist has a new publicly accessible platform where developers can download carbon footprint data for the Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Dogecoin networks. So you can follow along to see how Ethereum's carbon footprint changes when the merge happens. At least if it all goes as planned. Jesus alvarado Sasha Fernández and Daniel shin produce our show, Becca weinman is our engineer. Amanda peacher is the interim senior producer. I'm Kimberly Adams, and that's marketplace tech. 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AP News Radio
Prosecutors: 2 more suspects arrested in De Vries slaying
"Netherlands prosecutors say two suspects in the slaying a year ago of the Dutch crime reporter Peter de vries had been arrested overseas The arrests come a day after the suspected director of the shocking killing was detained the national prosecutor's office saying a 27 year old man has been arrested on the former Dutch Caribbean colony of kurokawa and a 26 year old man detained in Spain both men who were arrested on Monday a Dutch nationals who will be flown to the Netherlands to face justice They would detain as part of the probe into the person or people who ordered the killing of de vries who was shot at close range on a busy Amsterdam street on July 6th last year and died 9 days later I'm Charles De
AP News Radio
Dutch arrest Polish suspect in killing of reporter De Vries
"Dutch prosecutors have arrested a 27 year old Polish man suspected of organizing the killing of well-known crime reporter Peter de vries The arrest comes almost exactly a year after de vries was gunned down in an Amsterdam street in an attack that shocked the Netherlands prosecutors say the man whose identity hasn't been released is suspected of directing those who carried out the murder adding the investigation into who ordered the hit continues prosecutors have sought a life sentence for the two men accused in freeze's slaying Judges are scheduled to deliver their verdicts in their trial on July 14th de vries who shot at close range on July 6th last
The Autosport Podcast
"de vries" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Join for our Friday night look of Barcelona free practice by our technical editor Jake boxhall leg and you've been doing live today so you must be well and truly on top of everything that's happened today. House Friday goes. Oh, it's been a long one. For some reason, all of the sessions are so much further back now. I think I did assume it's because of the changed media schedule, but this is like the first. I guess proper time we've seen it because we've had races in weird time zones at the start of the season, I guess we had it a bit in imola, but that was a sprint race weekend. And so we get to what is probably the most average middle of the road race weekend of the season and suddenly we've got FP one at 1 o'clock and it's like what are we going to do this morning? But it's been very, very interesting. Had a new new faces in FP one this morning. Lots of new upgrades as well. So there's a lot to talk about. Yeah, nice to see Nick de vries on track earlier today as well. A free practice one ended with the Ferraris on top. One and two Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz in that order. We saw vips on track as well and Robert Kubrick also so good to see him in the Alfa Romeo, anything notable that you want to talk about from FP one? It was very interesting. Obviously, it was kind of like early days, FP one, and everybody's trying out their upgrades just to see what works and what doesn't. With regard to the three, I guess two of them new faces and one of them an old hand that we're all very, very used to seeing now in FP one Sessions. Was doing kind of tire running and tire programs for Red Bull, so we didn't really set a representative time. And so he was P 20. So I'm sure there are some people that are on their keyboards right now going, you know, who are these Red Bull development drivers, but the truth is, yeah, rebels actually very, very happy with the work that he did. I think from an objective standpoint as well, when you're entitled race, this new F one regulation of having young drivers in for two practice sessions a year. That's kind of something Red Bull doesn't really want to deal with. So rather than give him soft tires and potentially risk him just clouting it into the barrier, it just made more sense for him to just do some tire logging. And then of course, yeah, we saw Nick to race in the Williams. Fresh away from Berlin. He had a chance on Tuesday to do a post race interview with some of us and then it was straight off to Spain and get acquainted with what was effectively a new team for him. So he acquits himself well and was quicker than Nicholas Latifi. So that was an interesting footnote in the session. And then, of course, Charles Leclerc led that session Max Verstappen could have potentially gone a little bit quicker, but it was a Ferrari one two in that session. FP two, where they stick the soft tyres on and although the engine modes are turned way, way down. We can start to read a little bit into the form this weekend and that's why we've got you on tonight because you have an eye for all the things that have turned up in Barcelona. So Charlotte Clare once again leading the way with the one 19 .670, but behind him, just over a tenth, just over two tenths behind were Russell and Hamilton in the Mercedes. Of course, who topped for Miami Friday. So I don't want to read too much into this, but there is a lot of upgrades that Mercedes have bought, but the key is getting on top of the bouncing, which was physically painful for the drivers, but also something that they have taken longer than, say, Ferrari, who were Ferrari have been suffering from this bouncing, but seemed to be able to, in the braking zones, mechanically re-engage those Ferraris so that the performance, although it was probably uncomfortable, it didn't look great in the Ferraris. It didn't harm their performance the way it was harming Mercedes. Can you just tell us in your opinion how it's going to catch it's not designed to trip anyone up because like I said, they top Miami. But in your opinion, the upgrades they've bought to Barcelona. What are they doing? What are they trying to solve and is the pace as genuine as it seems? Well, first and foremost, I think the problem with the bouncing that Mercedes seems to have in Ferrari doesn't is that it's not knocking the forest driver's confidence and they can get whatever they need to get reattached reattached ready for the braking zone and so they've got this down force going into the corner and they've got it on the exit. Mercedes seems to have this horrible issue where it does bounce and therefore they're having to get right off the throttle because the drivers just aren't confident enough going into the corners. And that does seem to be an issue with its erstwhile floor and they do have a new one for Spain. And it seems to have helped quite a lot. We've just literally just now gone through all of the post race interviews with drivers and both the driver seemed a lot happy. George Russell was obviously a little bit cautious because he, as you say, he had topped Miami and it didn't go quite so well in qualifying, but Lewis Hamilton did seem noticeably happier than he has done at any stage this season..
Bloomberg Radio New York
"de vries" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"Circuit Court of Appeals upheld its decision calling the mandate fatally flawed A California judge is ending pop star Britney Spears conservatorship effective immediately Spears had been under the conservatorship for 13 years in Los Angeles County superior court judge Brenda penny ended the court ordered arrangement during a hearing today President Biden intends to select an infrastructure coordinator after he signs the big infrastructure Bill on Monday Expect we'll have something soon and you can expect it will be someone from outside of the administration White House press secretary Jen Psaki said that person will oversee implementation of the $1.2 trillion measure Monday's White House bill signing ceremony is expected to be a bipartisan affair after a number of Republicans voted in favor of passage in the Senate and the House One of William Shatner's fellow passengers on a trip to space is now dead following a small plane crash Liz Warner reports New Jersey authorities have now 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as inflationary pressures continued to reverberate through markets as for the earnings outlook seem Asha's chief strategist at principal global investors They're going to be pressures on profits We need to keep them very close on that But when we look at earnings the NXT is just gone I think that equity market is generally been really encouraged by signs that there is continued strong demand So we are expecting a lower returns to 2022 in number of markets including Europe including the U.S. but are we looking at negative returns Absolutely not Sema Shah of principal global Johnson & Johnson of 1.2% today after the maker of cancer treatments mouthwash and Tylenol said it will break itself up into two public companies one focused on drugs and medical devices the other on consumer products Alex gorsky is J&J's chairman and CEO and he spoke with Bloomberg radio We've long said that our diversified portfolio strategy was one that was founded based on where the markets were going where we 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No Laying Up
"de vries" Discussed on No Laying Up
"As far as holes to call out, and it's, again, it's like independently owned. Yeah, new ownership, looking to just, you know, same kind of thing, just looking to make a very honest go of a family owned golf course. It's 30 to $60. We played the alternate tea on 11, which that's a theme that we saw again at Kingsley later on that we'll talk about a little bit more. It's part three, 13, 14, 15 and 17 are like absolutely bananas. Like three of the last 6 holes or I think three of the last 5 holes out there. 468 yard pore four four 75 yard par four 468 yard par four. Of course. With wild wild undulations and slopes. Like there was stuff out there that I saw at like crystal downs and a gray walls and I think that's the thing with the reasons you see the guy grew up playing working at and playing crystal downs and that was kind of his introduction to golf. And you see those themes so inherent everywhere else. And really the university course as well. You see those themes presenting themselves like the horseshoe green is the same thing. They've got it on number 6 or a number 7 at crystal downs, you know? De vries decidedly, not mumford and sons. No, it's interesting you said that because I had something more for DJ, but diamond springs and it sounds like maybe pilgrims run. If it was a band, I would say weezer. On its face, it looks like a simple music, but then the deeper you get into it, it's like stuff going on here. Why don't you go try red a real simple song? It's not as easy as you think. Why don't you try it, you know, with a few like one or two hooks, really simple song structure. Let's see how easy it is for you to make that interesting over and over and over again. Exactly. You can't do it. So I think the biggest thing with the minds is it's a lot more turned up than pilgrims are on. That's what I'm saying. It's like they're Mike's gratitude. Yeah. In a super cool way, you can play it short if you want to, and you can ease off, you're gonna have just as good of a time, but man, it's like there's just some really provocative shit out there. Like you said. I think it speaks to Mike kept saying this over and over, but, you know, he kept calling himself a reactionary architect, right? Or he's reacting to whatever the land is, which I think is another way of saying minimalist and it's something you hear from quite a few different architects. But just seeing the way he treated, it wasn't him imposing his will on any of these pieces of land, right? It wasn't him showing up and saying like, yeah, no, I'm gonna totally be minimalist, but let's take that hill out or let's blow out a big hole over there or whatever. It was truly just like, hey man, here's what the land is giving us, and yeah, the mind is gonna be pretty fucking severe because that's what the land is. And it was just really cool to see that restraint and see him, you know, we saw a bunch of different Mike de vries golf courses, and I think they all felt very different because they were all in very different pieces of land. So that's a credit to Mike. Which to clarify, that's what I meant by not being mumford and sons. You don't know what you're getting when you step on it. If you go into debris course blind, it's not like you're getting something textbook. His style is we saw many different styles from him just on this trip. Yeah. And then I think just moving ahead, we drank some great beer and Grand Rapids. For the itinerary crowd, DJ and I we skipped American dunes, the Jack Nicklaus. Jack Nicholas tribute course. Of course, you know, he's supposed to be giving a tribute to the military, but he's actually giving a tribute to Jack Nicklaus on every single hole. Which, you know, just fascinating stuff from Jack there. And then after this one we ripped across face and got up north. Into Ross common. Which now we enter. I think it's safe to call this the big Randy leg of the trip. And passioned impassioned, the loop fan, which we'll get to. But first, pretty much, take us to forest dunes. Can I interest you guys in immaculate conditioning, fast greens in an intriguing layout? You can. That's kind of forest dunes in a nutshell. When I say forest dunes, four students is now people know as a resort with many golf courses to those being the routings at the loop. They have a new short course. Before students, the course for students, that is the original course there and where the resort gets its name. It's Tom weiskopf design, opened in 2002, completely public, pricing ranges, depending on the season. You can play just under a hundred bucks, probably up to a couple hundred bucks. And I'd have to admit, I want to start with something. I've played for students. Oh gosh, now, three or four times. And the name of it completely sailed over my head until this time around. Forest dunes, the front 9 runs through forest, the back 9 is through dunes landscape. And I never sheepishly. I'd never made that connection. Should be a forest then dunes. Yeah, so now it makes total sense. Yeah. And so that's kind of what you can expect. The front 9, the thing that just keeps coming to me is just like handsome proper golf. It's going to test you in a way that a classic it's just a classic kind of difficult test to golf. You have to position your ball. You have to execute good shots. You've got to fly certain distances. You've got to make putts. It's not tricky necessarily, right? You're not going to get a ton of bad brakes. I think you walk off force dunes, and you can be pretty confident that, hey, my number was a well deserved number. Whatever whatever that would be. It's penal. There's lost balls and water hazards waiting for you, one or the other on every hole is how I felt out there. Which I didn't think unfairly penal, but like in the classic sense of American golf of don't hit it here because you're gonna lose the ball. You're gonna have a bad time. I thought it was only like thing I would love to change about it just could use a little more width. Some of those holes back through the trees are so they're strong tests of golf, but like between a foursome, you're probably going to be looking for some golf balls. That's kind of my takeaway on it and seeing a lot of other new resort courses pop up with seems to be a very, very common theme on almost all of them. And that comparing the width like it forest dunes to even the loop on the same property and a lot of other courses we put on this trip. That was one thing that was the only thing I really wanted for on that golf course. Because like you said it was interesting greens, interesting design, fun shot value. I really enjoyed the challenge. It was just it was difficult. It was a difficult golf course. We came out to see you guys like we'd gotten there late after our sojourn up the coast. And it was fascinating to see just how firm the greens were. Yeah, the fud. The thud, when watching you guys play into the buy hole there. And hitting wedges in and seeing them take one hop and not even think about spinning or anything like that..
No Laying Up
"de vries" Discussed on No Laying Up
"Walker trolleys because golf was meant to be played at three miles an hour. Let's keep it going at the pod. So next up, we headed west a couple hours towards Grand Rapids, did a little divide and conquer TC DJ and I went out to play pilgrims run. The strat boys went to play diamond springs, and then we met up in the evening and got 9 holes in on the mines. We're gonna go to pilgrims run first. I promise Randy's gonna get to break down some courses here on the back half. We saved him for the boys section for the most part. But I want you guys to check me if DJ and Tron that were there on this day. Check me if I get into any hyperbole, talking about this golf course. I walked off like wondering, am I overreacting here? Am I losing my shit? How much I love this place? Like, what am I missing? What's going on here, right? Because that was truly one of the, I have not come up with a name of a course. A public, non resort course where I've had a better experience. Yeah. Like bar none. We haven't even talked about the price yet, which the price is between 47 and $71 to play this golf course that is immaculate and we're going to go through a lot of golf holes and it is a par and so this course opened in 1997. Mike de vries design par 73 laid out in a wooded area and doke wrote in the confidential guide to golf courses. The program for this course sounds like a complete disaster. Where 6 of the developers Friends were entrusted to design three holes each with the help of a young architect and superintendent to build them. It seems like de vries and the architects had a little more leeway than the designers had laying it out. Which a little bit of background and that's how it was the vein camping fund, I believe out of Chicago, the guy had purchased the land and was kind of trying to do almost like a fun program for I think 6 of his best employees. So imagine that your boss says, hey, I just bought this land. Why don't you use 6 or my brain trust? Why don't you each pick three holes and just go design them? And so guys we're horse trading on well, I don't wanna have a par 5 and a part four and a par four. I wanna have a par three or I want to have a three or four and a 5. And so just imagine how hard it is to design a golf course in general. And imagine trying to do it like that and being someone like Mike de vries who is well decorated, shaper architect for a number of people leading up to his own solo design career, inheriting all these plans and then making them into a cohesive cogent golf course. It's absolutely befuddling and shocking that it turned out as well as it did. It's tremendous. It's truly not all it's not a walking course. I want to get two things out of the way and that my two of my favorite things in golf are walkability and turf conditions. I love to walk. I love connected golf courses and I love courses at play fast and firm. And this course had neither of those things, and I'm still about to just go absolutely apeshit about this golf course. It's the one I thought the most about since we left and the fact that it's maximum $71 just blew my fucking mind. I mean, the width is tremendous. It's carved out of a forest in trees, but every single hole there's breathing room. If you are behind trees, it's probably because you took on risk and you probably deserve to be behind that tree. There is a safe route every single hole. The trees are set very well back from the conservative lines of play. Again, there's a couple holes. Where you might try to cut a corner or shape one around there and you know you're bringing on the risk, but it is truly your own prerogative if that's the case. And something I want to something interesting I noted about all the devries courses we played on this trip. What I thought about the first hole fell in line almost perfectly with what I felt about the golf course at the end of the day. The first holes set the exact tone for what my overall takeaway the golf course was. And the first hole, a brilliant par 5 and now we're going to talk a lot of debris here, but all of these holes being such great scene setters. This is a par 5, it bends to the left. You're welcome to try to cut off as much as you want if you play over a left bunker. But this is going to bring that left tree line into play. If you try that, if you don't cut the corner, there's a good chance you're gonna run into the bunkers that protect the right. The fairway then snakes back to the left and your path to the hole from the right side is clear through a shoot of trees, which just like blew my mind, but if you cut off if you go hook it around the corner and cut it off, you actually have trees in your way and you'll have to draw and fade around them. Then you gotta think about those trees on your layup. The third shot is interesting. The layup shot is interesting. The green is interesting when you get up there. The bunkering around it's interesting. The big dip if you're trying to come in from the right side is interesting that trying to take in that hole after just kind of rolling out of the car, I was just like, holy shit, man. I'm like, what are we honestly, I think we walked off that green and I just looked at DJ and trial and I was like, you know what? Fuck Torrey pines. This is what this is what golf design looks like, okay? That is so thoughtful, so interesting for all skill levels every.
AP News Radio
Trial to open of alleged killers of Dutch reporter De Vries
"The trial of two men charged with murder in the killing of Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries who was gunned down in the center of Amsterdam a brazen attack that sent shockwaves through the Netherlands has opened Dutch police say the suspected gunman is a twenty one year old Dutch man a thirty five year old Polish man is accused of being the getaway driver they both were arrested shortly after devries was shot in the sixth of July on an Amsterdam street after making one of his regular appearances on a Dutch television show he died nine days later the preliminary hearing out of Salem District Court will not evaluate evidence in the case but is expected to hear a summary of the investigation so far and possible request for further investigations from the suspects know where the shooting sparked an outpouring of grief and condemnation in the Netherlands I'm serious Shockley
AP News
"de vries" Discussed on AP News
"People known dead more than 100 still missing. Miami Dade County Fire Chief Alan Kaminsky says searchers are not seeing anything positive. The key things we're looking for all throughout in regards to voice space, livable spaces, you know we're not coming across that Pope Francis is recovery from intestinal surgery continues to be regular and satisfactory, says the Vatican. It's revealing the final exams showed he'd suffered a severe narrowing of his colon. A Dutch crime reporters been shot in the head in downtown Amsterdam following a TV appearance. Peter de Vries is fighting for his life in the hospital. Two suspects in custody in the attack. This is a P news They're finding bodies after a plane crash in Russia. Here's our Charles de la Decima. Rescuers have found bodies of victims a day after a plane crash in a remote area in Russia's Far East. Wreckage was found Tuesday evening on a coastal cliff side and in the sea, and the search and rescue operation was suspended until Wednesday morning as the crash site was too difficult to access in the dark. Now the region's governor has told the state task news agency. The first bodies were being pulled out of the water. He wouldn't say how many bodies have been found. So far, Russian media have reported. None of the six crew members or 22, passengers on board had survived. I'm Charles had asthma contestants at a Miss Mexico contest from almost half of Mexico States have tested positive for the coronavirus. The contest was ended after the results came in. I'm Rita Foley. AP News.
AP News
"de vries" Discussed on AP News
"People known dead more than 100 still missing. Miami Dade County Fire Chief Alan Kaminsky says searchers are not seeing anything positive. The key things we're looking for all throughout in regards to voice space, livable spaces. We're not coming across that Pope Francis is recovery from intestinal surgery continues to be regular and satisfactory, says the Vatican. It's revealing the final exams showed he'd suffered a severe narrowing of his colon. Dutch crime Reporters been shot in the head in downtown Amsterdam following a TV appearance. Peter de Vries is fighting for his life in the hospital, two suspects in custody in the attack. This is a P news. They're finding bodies after a plane crash in Russia. Here's our Charles de la Decima. Rescuers have found bodies of victims a day after a plane crash. In a remote area in Russia's Far East. Wreckage was found at Tuesday evening on a coastal cliff side and in the sea, and the search and rescue operation was suspended until Wednesday morning as the crash site was too difficult to access in the dark. Now, the region's governor has told the state task news agency. The first bodies were being pulled out of the water. He wouldn't say how many bodies have been found. So far, Russian media have reported. None of the six crew members or 22, passengers on board had survived. I'm Charles Asthma contestants at a Miss Mexico contest from almost half of Mexico States have tested positive for the coronavirus. The contest was ended after the results came in. I'm Rita Foley. AP News At Lowe's. We think July 4th reunions are better with a little flare. Select 2.5 Court red, white and blue annuals three for $12 and select bag molds that are new, lower price starting at 2 88 per bag. Make your home look festive today..
KQED Radio
"de vries" Discussed on KQED Radio
"We did hear from a man named York. Yes, there's not to use his full name because some people in his family aren't aware of his story Last month, he says he got an email from his birth mother, she says she's been looking for me her whole life. It's been wonderful. It's so bizarre. We are finding that were ridiculously alike. We Literally have the same truck. We have the same burgundy Toyota truck. I mean, that is crazy. It's just that feeling like this is my person, you know. Before all this York had done a DNI test that turned up one relative on his birth mother's side, So he sent her a message. I'm looking for my biological mother. She would be related to you. You're my closest blood relative I've ever found. Do you know anyone who was 15 years old in 1968 and gave a child up for adoption? In Southern California, and it could have been a family secret and immediately she's just like, sorry that's not ringing a bell. But then this woman had gone ahead and forwarded my email. And then it went to this one cousin and she immediately sent it to her sister because she knew and that was all it took. Just steal yourself. Or whatever you find. Hope for joy be prepared for catastrophe. But in the end in your life, it's so much better to know than not know. Cheryl de Vries hasn't had as much luck having moved back to the Seattle area where I was born. I did Search for my biological mom on at the time. We just had a Washington re union agency that hires an intermediary to open your birth records. And try to connect you. I went through all kinds of scenarios like maybe she wouldn't be alive. Actually, That was the worst scenario I could think of. I never, ever thought she wouldn't want to know who I was. On Dat was a huge hurt to have that be what happened? Cheryl hasn't given up hope. She's also submitted DNA's samples with ancestry and 23 me. So far, no leads. I think there's a part of me that just needs to see and smell and say some words and hear that story too. Feels somewhat satisfied. I don't know, you know, and I just have such a big feeling of wanting to say thank you. It can't have been easy for her either. And then there's the story of Joan Griffin. She told us. Her birth mother called out of nowhere. One day they kept in touch for years, but ended up having a falling out over politics. Her birth mother ended the relationship. Then, about a decade later in 2019. Joan did Edna test and found a close connection on her birth father's side and I crossed on my fingers. How is this going to work out and it has been absolutely Delightful. So for a year and a few months, I have been in like almost weekly contact with three brand new siblings. It's been an emotional roller coaster. Both times I was young, a young mom myself when my birth mother entered my life, and she came on really strong. It was initially very difficulty and then became very good and valuable and then kind of went down the drain. Where is this second one? Because we're all older. And I think the silver lining of the pandemic has been that we've been forced to take it really slowly..
Artificial Intelligence in Industry
The Impact of Artificial Intelligence on Life Sciences
"Live. Let's kick it off as Glenn with Meta data. You're on the and business podcast. So Glenn Are we're GonNa talk a bit about the future. And we're in this wild time in your industry with the corona virus, but I wanted ground us in the now. When when you look even in the space for twenty years you look at where data are starting to transform processes in life sciences. How do you like to frame it? What's the state of affairs today? So I think if you. If you look at what happens in life sciences outside of data, we just look. People, the big trend that we're seeing is it's good trend. That's the world I. WanNa live in as a patient. Therapies are getting more. Effective therapies are getting safer, and it's because they're being designed very different. Way used to be that you try to create a therapy that worked for as many people as you possibly could, and you would maybe high fiving in the hallways. If you right for Outta ten patients, you know this. This was the world of the blockbuster drugs, and it was about as imprecise as possible like a patient has a blood pressure over this. Give him this drug. Patients got cholesterol over that. Give them this other drug, and now as you start to get into these more effective therapies because they're more precise. Actually start to create an interesting data problem, and that is you start to have smaller and smaller denominators. If I'm starting to in well, this drug isn't district people who have a blood pressure over this. They also need to have this gene. They also need to have or not have this pre existing condition. ETC, acceptance every time I come up with more criteria. The pool of patients who are going to bed. And remember. We're making things that people take. They put in their bodies, and we've to make sure that they're safe. Not just effective, and there's a good way regulatory bodies who are protecting that safety and efficacy. So now as these patient pools, who will benefit therapies get smaller. We also have smaller smaller pool of people who we can use from a research perspective would be volunteering. Stoke the specificity, which is great means that we have a scarcity of patients that we've got to deal with a new way and I think that's been driving at least I have a very kind of drug development centric view of the world. About a drug discovery. Can I find a new molecule I really focus on the will what do I? Do if I think I've got something that's going to cure this kind of cancer. Think about making more evidence, but with fewer people line. Smaller denominators I think that's a big piece of what's driving the data landscape in life sciences. The other thing that I'll tell you which is kind of interesting, is that the life sciences industry has not been really good about data, standardization and a guy. He was a big influence in the way I think about data medi data chief data officer starting from about five years ago, his name's David, Lee and He came out of the insurance industry. Any any taught me that data standardization. Doesn't sound sexy, but until you do that, you can't benchmark until you do that. You create a predictive model and the life. Sciences Industry hasn't been great about data standardization because everybody was doing stuff for this one drug in this one area, and so I see people outside of Medi data as well, but certainly the kind of stuff that we do is we try to use AI to climb that data value curve. How do we a figure out how to standardize data in different ways data from different sources about different things? Let me just give you one quick tangent example. I got asked very kindly to speak at a conference about Ab-. Stroke and I do not know anything about cardiology like I did cancer research before we started medi data I'm comfortable talking about oncology, so I figured I better. Get ahead of it if they're asked me to. Present and I got up on stage and I said listen I. Don't know anything about stroke. But if I was speaking to a bunch of oncologists, and they were trying to build a predictive model around cancer diagnosis, and they were only looking at cancer research. They're not going to be very successful because everybody already has cancer in those research studies, but if you were to be able to go and look at large-scale cardiology studies, stroke studies studies about hard tax. If I were to go, pull data from studies research about diabetes. Then I'm going to know what those patients looked like before their cancer diagnosis, and then I can start to use. Use that to build that model so when you put that Lens on things, you realize I need to standardize data across a lot of different kinds of patients and a lot of different kinds of research patients who are in research. I have to stack the deck. I don't mean that in a various way create to create the biggest possible denominator to create the most evidence generating. Data set that I can, and even just generating that data set requires ai tool sometimes, and then once you got that data set. I think probably inherently obviously you. You've got more traditional statistical tools and methods with frankly work great and a lot of the shared also can start to apply things like machine learning neural that works and look for look for signal that you might have missed or enhanced signal. That wasn't there traditionally so I. I do think that's happening I. Feel Pretty Good. There's a lot more we. We can do, but we're. We've started as an industry getting that right. Yeah, until there's couple of things to poke into here I. Like the landscape paint I'm going to dive into a couple of things. You mentioned one of which was around standardization, so yeah, I mean what a tough problem! I think everybody. We've interviewed in healthcare. You guys are in Pharma. If I was ever GONNA be selling a product, probably said the six time on the podcast never be selling artificial intelligence solutions to hospitals like a break one. One of the Pharma companies, but in healthcare, broadly whether they be life, sciences, or or diagnostics, or whatever the case may be just data, being goofy, and like in silos and locked up and not uniform sort of this big ubiquitous issue is this when you talk about the standardization, clearly from what I understand of our look into companies like the MERCS and the bears of the world. They're beginning to try to do this with their own big corpus's of historical information, whatever being able to streamline things so that it's. It's findable, maybe not machine readable yet. They don't necessarily know where that's going to add value just yet in most cases, but but at least make it more uniform. Is this something that the industry is GonNa have to get to the same page from kind of a regulatory or kind of soft law level, or is this just per company? We're GONNA have to come up with data governance policies within our firm and just be really steady about those across silos. Like how do you see this rolling out? Yeah, so? Well I. DO think that individual companies are working on that, but I also think that there's industry organizations. There's commercial entities. My own included who are trying to do that beyond the walls of an individual company and I think we're GONNA have to I. Don't think the data that one company has is going to be sufficient. Across all the use cases that we'd not just a good idea commercially, but we have a medical ethical obligation to create the best care possible when data sets and I do think that the data quality is a really important thing to think about if if it's a a regulatory prescriptive method of doing it or the way regulation works today, which is demonstrate to people that you've done a responsible set of work to standardize things and prove it, but a lot of people will point a finger at regulators and say they're slowing down innovation, sometimes particularly and Pharma and I do not believe. believe that at all regulators. Job Isn't to be like Glen, you're a great guy, so you know I believe what all your data and Algorithms put out. No job is to protect the public health and say Glenn proved to me on paper that you did something that was scientifically ethically responsible to jobs. Is So so i? Think if that requirement is there? What you'll see is individual companies trying to solve this on their own, and I've seen this before in life, science space with other technology things, even just the management data used to be every company tried to do it their way. Out of their basement, and then twenty years later, this medi data do Thanh, research and again we're not the only company doing it, but you see platform providers that are doing it at a larger scale so when I see everybody trying to do it individually get excited because that means that there's actually a market demand for that. And you're creating a marketplace where the best technologies, the best rhythms, the best data sources will create something that more and more people will come onto, and that's how that's everybody clearly. I think we could extrapolate that for those of you. Listening into almost any industry right I think people say this. Even about I'm just GONNA throw some random stuff at ya like automotives. Hey, if we're GONNA make safe self driving cars. Do we want Ford my develop something about some certain snowy driving circumstance like there's GonNa. Be Some things that are going to have to be transferable so that everybody's safer on the dam road and with drugs. Maybe it's the same way. Business Opportunities Hey if we can be the ones who even through kind of soft news. Can Be. The folks that people rely on to develop a system instruct sure that's going to build a really sticky market position in clearly from a business perspective. That's that's an appeal as well part of the challenge see in life, sciences and I know you've obviously you guys have dealt with this and found ways around or whatever there's there's a way to frame it, but you know I. Look at companies like we just did a piece on Johnson and Johnson for example looking at some of their current innovations and investments today I. Frankly we. We don't see a tremendous amount, but they're involved in a consortium called Melody Out in Europe somewhere from not mistaken where Santa a bunch of other big players are from what I understand exposing a certain amount of data is being trained on in some aggregate sense in everybody's GonNa get a little bit of the benefit from it. How do we do this? Hey, we all have the same uniform stuff. Hey, we're able to kind of like mould things across companies. How do we do that without giving away the secret sauce, because of course? Clearly as a drug development firm that there's a humanitarian side, and then clearly we have to make payroll in in. That would mean that we've got to keep some of the things that are secret. So how do we uniform things and maybe cross pollinate without the risk of US losing her crowned jewels yet? So that is not an easy thing to do I'm I'm super appreciative of it. The way we've at least tried to tackle that problem is by creating like a give to get dynamic. There are definitely companies out there that sell data. And I think there's a great place for them in the world. Probably doing and we'll do some awesome stuff I. think there's there's a great place in the world for not for profit groups who say hey just throw your data. Here will create naturally yet. For sure, that's all all good, but I also think there's a place for a model where you say look if you put your data into this, what is effectively proprietary bucket, but with a third party that you trust and let that third party that make sure that everybody who's putting their data into that pool is protected in terms of not showing the specifics of your individual data points, so in your example. You know Sanofi doesn't see Johnson and Johnson's data. But you've got enough people in there that you can do things in aggregate and let people compare their own specific data to the more generalized bigger denominator that Medi date, or whoever it is or you and it's done at the standardization is done for you in a way that this transparent and you can believe in the results I think that's a really interesting commercial model, and then must exist in other industries I just not an expert. Well, it's. The way you're talking about it makes it sound like it's kind of a Nathan idea, even for you guys where it's like well. We think that there could be a space for this like it's something that could have all right. It's like an I believe you're right I, think actually it absolutely. Could I just think you Mr Glanton? Whoever your your absolute best partnership guys, you know you'd better be drinking beers or some of these people because there's a lot of trust that goes into those kind of relationships. So. There's a lot of trust that goes along in life sciences anywhere for sure yet. You're dealing with data about patients in some way. Holly anybody in medicine right has a person's life in their hands, but if if we're working on a vaccine for SARS, come to I, mean literally billions of people are going to get it like you've got billions of lives in. In your hands, so he's already. A lot of trust is important in our industry and I. do think that what will see by the way. There's posters at scientific sessions that we've done. There's clients right now are taking some of these aggregated data sets to regulators, and they're using them to demonstrate exactly what I was saying before. Their drugs are safe and effective. But with different kind of aggregated denominator, we call it a synthetic control arm, and it's not that is android senator anything synthesis out of the people it, synthesizing people who are in lots of different research studies into a cohort they can be used as. As a valid competitor to the patients who you treated with your new drought, Nisa solving that problem, you're saying of the narrowness if you have some super niche allergy medication for people with a certain kind of whatever then yeah, maybe you really need to extrapolate in that kind of uniform data, way and and kind of square that circle that you. And I actually think that not only by I know this is happening. See it happening, but this is a harbinger of things to come because. I gave. Let's take it to its most extreme, so in all US oncology, because it's happening there I and cancer, but I think it's going to happen in almost every therapeutic area, probably even like analgesics, and what the next tylenol is, but we are all so interestingly I mean at biologically individual and people talk about cancer therapy, and almost every patient really is like an end of one problem. There is nobody who has your. Your exact same tumor right in your tumor has probably different kinds of cells that have different mutations even within this one problem in your body. So when you start to think about that, we have to use these techniques to extrapolate what the best therapy is for every single person at the right time down to individual. We're going to need as an industry and I'm not just talking about now. Life Sciences although I think by scientists. Imprint part of the for sure. It's GonNa. Pay For a lot of this Oh. Yeah, sure I sure, but but these mathematical models that we used to figure out what to do for individuals there being born right now using these techniques stacking up all this data and figuring out how to use as a group. We're GONNA use that against individuals, so this stacking I'm just going to clarify this point will move into the next question, but I wanNA nutshell this for the audience the stacking is it sounded almost like a combination of two things one if we can have some. Unification, around the data, we can combine it in certain ways where nobody's giving away their secret sauce, but maybe we were able to get bigger cluster of people who have a specific genetic condition, or whatever, and then use that for for our clinical trials. That's one side of it. You also mentioned Kinda the synthetic sort of element. was that kind of like you know what immediately came to my mind? was you know we're we're? We're training an algorithm to read handwriting. You know we'll come up with a bunch of programmatic generated handwriting. That might be slight variations of things like using that I. Don't think that's what you. You meant there, but what? What did you mean by synthetic again? No, so you got that stack. We've got stack of every patient and I'm coming to see you I say all right well. What am I going to treat Glenn while I got to figure out because Glenn's unique. WHO's similar to Glen and so what you do? Is You build these kind of like Matrix views, patients and you start to use algorithms to compare Glenn with everybody in the stack. Yeah Okay Okay you, you pull those people out of the stack, and you then synthesize them into a group of smaller stack, but that is purpose built. To make a guess about what to do best for Glenn Don or all them. You synthesize one of these smaller stacks from the big one to use as a competitor the same way if I had a group of patients who I gave my new drug to and I'll give another group of patients a placebo sugar pill right I, compare them with like. Well, should I be giving people sugar pills if we have tons of people who are in research, who already gotten the standard of care? Can I reset the CISE? Those people into a comparative instead of exposing a whole bunch of volunteer patience to something that. Does, not effective, and that's the synthesis of the group. Yeah, it's not robots. You're not talking about programmatic degenerate I wasn't suspecting were so. It is it is quite interesting. Because the direct analogy, some of our listeners are avid readers that emerged dot com, always covering use cases in different industries. We think about how a net flicks or Amazon does recommendations you know. You're stripping, you know. In their case, it's purchase behavior. Geo Location whatever else for you. It's genetic stuff in health history, whatever and yeah, you just find in those similar clusters and being able to extrapolate a little bit. You know the movie Gatica. People haven't seen it like the ideas like your DNA decides whether or not you're going to be an astronaut or somebody who's cleaning, toilets or something, cleaning toilets, and of course, of course, that's patently ludicrous, because your genes interestingly don't change that much there. In instances where mutations and things, but actually I I can't tell you much more about your health today than I could have told you about your health the day you. You were born because it's a static data. Set Your Connecticut Right. That is a very simple view of it. There's a lot more elaborate stuff, but if you think about all the stuff that is changing about you overtime, Gina Type, and then all of your phenotype, and you start to measure that stuff and you start to think about it. It really is a problem of finding not one needle, but the right ten. Ten needles in the haystack that allow us to make the best comparison between Glen or a group of patients and patients like them, and that's another place where these artificial intelligence tools are used, so we use them to create stacks, but we also use them to select the right needles out of those haystacks to create these comparative groups Yup I. See those reasonable applications I would be you know. BE FRANK WITH YOU IF If that struck me as not possible based on precedents and other industries, but that clustering strikes me as quite possible, particularly solve that data harmonisation issue. I mean that's a Lotta. The crux of it I know we're just about to wrap up I know you have seen a lot of things change with covid nineteen. Thinking about what that means for the future of your industry. Any closing thoughts before we wrap on. What this means for now in the near future in life sciences. Yes so at the risk of making Not Look that good? Because, I'm definitely including myself in this criticism wouldn't have been nice if we had all that patient data stacked up. And I mean they're. They're few million patients around the world who are in studies on the Medi Data Platform. It's all different companies doing the research with their data, but can you imagine if we had that stack? And we were paying attention to in the hundred fifty countries that we do research knowing some of these patients, genetics, and all of their pheno types in a better way than we normally do in medicine, because we see them consistently wouldn't have been great for layer on like who seems to be coming down with cove nineteen I mean no, no, no, no doubt, no young. And I think that that that's an interesting. You put like an exclamation point on why we need to do this. It's like there's an ethical imperative, not just a commercial driver to think about data in different ways. Yeah, yeah, well. To some degree you know my thought is like what you're articulating makes a tremendous amount of sense. Given Your Business Model. It makes slightly less if I work at Bayer. However like despite the biased tilt, I do understand the value prop and I do think that it is compelling and I think it does feel like it'll have to be the future. People are not going to keep distance silos forever. I do think it make sense. Air Because, if you if pharmaceutical a pharmaceutical company B. comes out with the same effectively drug, and and they're competing for the same group of patients, and neither of them knows that you might be better off taking drug Abe before drug be or drug be is better in a certain kind of of patient than drug. As than actually, you are not serving your customer and you're. You're not generating the revenue that you could be generating, and so you should be motivated with other companies to lineup tightly. In terms of what is the best way to treat patients I actually think it's in your best interest. i. e Clayton clearly is I mean there's a little bit more potentially to lose while in your firm, it's it's almost explicitly to game but I. I think he'd do things like you see things like melody you see companies like yours have been tremendously successful. You guys were acquired recently. You know massive congratulations for that and yes I think long term it's not against their interests by any means, and hopefully I think Glenn. It'll be part of the future. I know these are things you've thought about for. People are interested. Interested in some Glenn stocks is a book coming out in August called the patient equation by Wiley. It's about precision medicine in the age of Covid nineteen and beyond Glenn. If people are interested in in stay in touch following your thoughts, we live sciences I. Know We have a lot of people that follow that space. Where should they go on the web to find you? Cou. You could find me on twitter, etc, at captain, clinical a fictitious superhero for good science. And meditated accomplish our website for anybody interested. There's all kinds of papers and men links to publications. We do academic stuff, too, so it's not all commercial awesome, all right,