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Samuel Davies

5 Minutes in Church History

04:59 min | 1 year ago

Samuel Davies

"Welcome to five minutes in churches hosted by Dr Stephen Nicholson where we take a little break from the presence to go exploring the past asked traveled back in time as we look the people events and even the places that have shaped the story of Christianity. This is our story family history. Let's get started. Welcome back to another episode of five minutes in Church history on this episode. I'm on location in Virginia and we're here to talk about the missionary or possible to Virginia's he was known Samuel Davies. Samuel Davies was born on November the third seventeen twenty three three as a young man. He was educated at Blair's log college. This is Samuel Blair. This is in Chester County Pennsylvania Blair's log college. It was modeled after the original log college of the tenants over in the shamanic Pennsylvania that of course became Princeton University but this is Blair's log college. When he was finished with his education he was ordained as a minister in seventeen forty seven at the age of twenty four and the presbytery sent him to Hanover County Virginia George Whitfield had gone through Hanover county in seventeen forty five and so are they sent along Samuel Davies to help some of those seeds that had been sown grow. The ten years that Samuel Davies was there from seventeen seventeen forty-seven through the end of seventeen fifty seven those years are known as the years of the Hanover revivals was during that time that Davies I started seven churches and he pastored those seven churches he taught many not only of the whites here in Virginia but also African Americans some slaves freed African Americans he taught Indians he wanted to establish a college log college like he had been trained at but he just wasn't able to all of those seven churches so we had a college on wheels he would carry along in his wagon books and he would just give out books to various students young men who showed promise in the church to be trained as he would go from church to church well in seventeen. I'm fifty three for two years. He took a hiatus from his ministry here in Virginia and joined Gilbert tenant to go to England on a fundraising tour for for the College of New Jersey which would come to be called Princeton. It was a very successful fundraising tour and they were able to raise enough money to build Nassau Hall aw there on the campus of Princeton and when it was built it was the largest building an all of the American colonies and Samuel Davies helped raise the money seventeen fifty nine year before the death of Jonathan Edwards as president of Princeton the trustees of Princeton invite Samuel Davies to come and be the president. He arrives sometime in the fall of seventeen fifty nine. He serves there for about eighteen months and he dies in seventeen eighteen sixty one of consumption as we look at Samuel Davies Life. We can see five things that marked his life. I was his oratory. Sorry he was quite a speaker. Patrick Henry would come in here. Samuel Davies preaches often as he could because he was just so impressed by his rhetorical skill skill and how he could just hold an audience and how he could be so persuasive with the spoken word. Secondly is religious liberty. This was an Anglican colony. He was a dissenter he was illegal here in Virginia and he constantly had to petition for his presence in for or these churches that he had planted to be established he would argue in the capital at Williamsburg based on the sixteen eighty nine act of tolerate that there should be religious freedom here in the colonies. Thomas Jefferson used his arguments to later argue for religious liberty. He was committed education should not only training students here as he pastored these churches but also as president of Princeton. He was a poet he wrote many poems. He wrote a hymn who who is a pardoning. God like the or who has grace so rich and free and finally he was a preacher he preached for the conversion and the salvation of men well that is Samuel Davies the apostle to Virginia born on November third seventeen twenty three died died on February four seventeen sixty one and I'm Steve Nichols. Thanks for listening to five minutes churches for more ordination or to listen to past episodes. Please visit five minutes in Church history dot com.

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The Bearded Lake feat. Owen Teale

Circle Round

23:59 min | Last month

The Bearded Lake feat. Owen Teale

"Seeking even more circle round fun. Try circle round colors volume to our newest coloring book. Grownups get your copy by giving fifteen dollars or more to. Wbu are boston's npr station. Visit r. dot org slash circle round and click on coloring books produced by the island. Wr are boston. If you could have an endless supply of something something you really love. what would it be. Perhaps it would be your favorite food or something. You collect like stickers rocks or seashells now at first it might be really fun to have this endless supply right but more often than not when we have too much of a good thing it might not seem so good anymore and we're about to meet a farmer who learns that trying to have too much of a good thing can spoil everything I'm rebecca share and welcome to circle around story time. All the time to their story is called the bearded lake versions of this tale. Come from the country of wales in the united kingdom. Some really great people came together to our telling this tale including tony award winner. Owen teale grownups. You may know owen as sir thorn. On game of thrones. His newest film dream horse will be released in the united states on may twenty first so circle around everyone for the bearded lake in the northwestern part of wales up in the high country where rugged windswept mountains give way to sloping rolling hills and green grassy knowles. There lies a lake. It's known as the bearded lake because of the thick reeds and rushes that fringe shores like bushy brown beard in the summer. The bearded lake is covered in water lilies. All of them is bright and white pearl once upon a nothing cover the surface of the bearded lake the brown reeds rushes sprouted around a body of water. That was smooth and clear as a mirror until one man changed everything. According to legend he was a farmer a cattle farmer whose lands stretched all the way to the edge of the bearded lake. We'll call him farmer davies. Every morning farmer davies awoke at the crack of dawn time to get to work and he pulled on his boots and headed out to the old red barn. I he would milk the cows. Aw lovely milk you'll given today couva utah. Deasy than he would drive the cattle up and down and around the hills coming out loves phone delicious. Over this week as the sun farmer davies would lead the heard back to the barn then return to his snug stone farmhouse where he would polish off a simple supper of meat high or vegetable stew crawling into bed and falling fast asleep. Oh farmer davies wasn't a rich man but he was comfortable an honest and humble fellow who was content with his lot in life then one winter everything changed come december the temperatures fell and so did the snow great frosty clumps of it clobbering the high country so hard and fast. You couldn't see your hand if you held out in front of your face. The snowdrifts grew so high farmer. Davies had nowhere to leave his cows to graze. The herd began wasting away to scraggy and gaunt to give milk so when spring rolls around farmer davies still arose at the crack of dawn to. You still tried to milk. The cows move come on crew even one drop and he's still tried to drive them up down and around the hills. How do you dog you moving slower than cold melas. But once he led the heard back to the old red barn and returned to his stone farmhouse. he found his simple supper growing. Depressingly simpler meat pie was no crust of bread. Vegetable stew was now a boiled potato. Who use of moods nesting january. After supper farmer davies no longer crawled into bed and fell fast asleep instead. The wretched fellow paced around his bedroom wringing his hands and fretting about his future or gm. If mike how's it going give milk my family's doom. One particularly sleepless night farmer. Davies burst out of his bedroom put on his coat and boots and stepped out of the stone farmhouse and into the cool moonlit night the air was so brisk farmers teeth chatter. Does he wandered around his farm. It was so distraught. He lost all sense of time and direction and eventually found himself at the edge of his property. Way on top of a hill spread out before him. Quiet instill lay the bearded lake. The lake's surface was so clear and calm. If reflected every twinkling star in the sky not to mention the shimmering milk white moon farmer davies gazed down at the smooth sparkling water and he sank to his knees and burst into saab by going to do. I'd be working hard that assab mud sweeping upstream. I'd vote fo- knew it. I dutton vote. Only seventy eight depot. Could help me now. It just so happens. That in wales where our story takes place. It's common belief that lakes can be a doorway to the other world the mysterious non earthly realm where magical mystical creatures reside magical mystical creatures like fairies and little bit firmer davies. No it but the bearded lake was home to a whole host of ferries and from dwelling place way. Down on the lake's bottom. The enchanted sprites were hanging onto the desperate man's every word farmer davies couldn't hear it but does he knelt at the water's edge bawling his eyes out. A curious sound began to rise from the lake The sound was high and sweet like a woman singing but not like any woman who ever walked this earth. there was something other worldly about it does. The other worldly sound echoed across the hills the normally placid surface the beard lake began to ripple and quiver bubble into churn but farmer davies was to overcome to see it. He cried and cried and by the time he got back to his feet and staggered home. The sound had faded away the next morning when farmer davies rolled out of bed pulled on his boots and headed out to the old red barn. He was greeted by a most astonishing sight. One that stopped him right in his tracks being What do you think the farmer saw outside the old barn. We'll find out what it was after a quick break. Anything four selena is a new podcast from. Wb you are and throw studios exploring the life. And legacy of latina pop icon selena euthanasia. Join me maria garcia as i explore. What selena's legacy shows us about race identity. Body politics and belonging in america listened to anything for selena now on apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen here on circle round you enjoy stories about everything from dragon fighting farmers it is a the powerful to talking three legged pots. Time to skip and skip grownups. We can't make these happen without your support. Please consider donating to. Wb you are the npr station that makes circle round possible. Give fifteen dollars or more and you'll get the latest circle. Round coloring book chock full of new pictures and activities is at wbz dot org slash circle round click on coloring books. thanks welcome back to circle round. I'm rebecca share today. Our story is called the bearded lake before the break farmer. Davies was in trouble after a particularly savage winter. His herd of cows was weak and sickly into the future of his farm looked bleak. One sleepless night the farmer wandered up to the bearded lake a smooth clear body of water bordered by reeds and rushes fell to knees and broke down crying. Calling out to someone anyone for help. Little did farmer davies. No the leak was home to fairies the magical sprites heard his plea and the next morning. They had a gift waiting for him a rather extraordinary gift. It was oko not just any cow for this. Cow wasn't black or brown or spotted like all the other cattle in the barn or all the other cattle in the country for that matter. No this cow was white so white. She practically sparkled in the sun. My goodness look at you does. Why does the neck of a swan. The fish lamb do ever heard of a pure white cowan. Did you come. From vicious one farmer davies tingled with excitement. Unlike his own sickly heard this pearl white cow had such bright case plump body such a full utter the farmer reached out a trembling. Hand stroked the cows alabaster side. My your coat is a softest potch of moss and your duties followed pipers dash e. You could do with some milk. In my friend. The cow turned her glimmering whitehead and blinked. Her wide bright is at farmer davies. The farmer couldn't help but smile or right precious one. How about this. You stay with me in my food for a little while and if somebody comes to claim you well it was enchanting to make yo quit but if no shows put my do you can consider yourself part of the family. So the milk white cow settled into the old barn with the farmers heard. He named her blood win. Which in welsh means white flower as the weeks went by no one came to claim wind and farmer davies was elated. Not only did sweet. Gentle blood would have the best temperament of his cows. She had the best milk and plenty of. It could produce more milk in one day than the rest of the herd gave in a month and oh how rich and pure that milk was richer and pure than any farmer davies ever tasted than anyone had never tasted. It turns out the first time the farmer bottled milk and set up a stall in the market. The shoppers went wild davies fish. Who is a delectable grows your divine. The farmer began selling bottle after bottle of lodwick sweet milk before long he was selling case after case and fetching quite a handsome price. Howard davies. I'll give you fifty silver coins for a case of your meal. I'll give you a one hundred. Two hundred i'll give you three hundred when farmer daisies started using blood winds milk to make butter cheese and cream. The demand grew even higher soon. Customers were flocking to the market hours before opening time just so they could be first in line at farmer davies stall. I've been waiting here since five. Am to by the farmers. Oh yeah well. I've been here since four to buy his fine golden chief. An odd who've been waiting since three to by has saw sweet border win. I've been waiting here all night to buy that stock so there. For the first time in his life farmer davies was prospering and when blood winds started giving birth to calves all of them as gleaming white as their mother and producing the same rich sweet milk. It was like he had hit the jackpot. Now the farmer didn't have just one install at the market. He had four one for selling milk one for selling butter one for selling cheese and one for selling cream. Business was booming. It wasn't long before farmer. Dvd's was the richest farmer in all of wales. Longer the humblest you see. Instead of waking up at the crack of dawn the farmer now lased in bed until noon instead of pulling on his boots to milk the cows and drive the herd up down and around the hills. He hired a team of farmhands to do all the labor. Well done then Keep it up and instead of returning to his farmhouse and having a simple supper wolf down a five course feast personally prepared by his mirant new cook a farmer. Davies would climb into his king-sized featherbed. Fall fast asleep before doing it all again. The next day one afternoon as farmer davies sat by the window watching farmhands graze. The cattle struck by an idea sure he was making a mint selling his cow's milk butter cream and cheese. But what if actually sold one of the cows themselves. The farmer stuck his head out the window and gave a whistle. One of the farmhands came. running inside. Can hope you sir. Farmhand do see that co over there. The farmhand to look to wear farmer. Dvd's was pointing. Oh you mean blood wins. Our own white flour yeah broadway. We've had deal irv for quite a while now and i worry. It's just a matter of time before she stops giving detailed market and what you can get. The farmhand fell quiet as he gazed out the window. Then he turned to farmer. Dvd's with a sheepish. Look do respect sir. Blood win is a stout and sturdy is ever. it's almost like she's enchanted. She hasn't aged today since she arrived here. But if you really think blood when is passed the prime sir why not. Just let her watch the fields for the rest of her days and grays to a heart's content farmer davies is flashed nor nineties made up. I'm sellin that cole. I won't you win. The other workers to panetta for market at once and the workers followed that order they fetched a horse-drawn carts and loaded it with. Hey but the moments they looped a rope around broadway and snack began leading her toward the cart. Truly docile cow lowing mooing blood went kept pulling away from the farmhands staring farmer davies. Her sparkling is wider and brighter than ever come. No you meddlesome could make kids. Such a fuss wouldn't quit. She kept blowing and ruin pulling at staring at all of a sudden. She stopped for at that moment. A sound began ringing out across the hills. It was a mysterious sound. High sweet like a woman singing. It was the same other worldly sound that had risen from the lake so many years ago on that fateful star filled night. When an honest humble farmer fell to his knees and begged someone anyone for help into now all this time. Later as the sound grew louder and louder. Do you know what happened and let out snort. Then she lunged forward and broke away from the farmhands. Her shimmering white tail swung back and forth as she tried it across the field and male. She was heading toward the lake at the edge of farmer davies property the bearded lake. The mysterious sound grew even louder now and before anyone knew what was happening farmer davies other cows all of blood winds children and grandchildren. They to took off toward the hill. They're glimmering white bodies streaming out of the old barn so fast they looked like a streak of lightning farmer davies tortoise farmhands. His eyes blazing urban. So they did. They broke into a sprint as they went chasing after the runaway cows but when the men reached the lake they were too late led by blood went herself each and every cow was walking into the water. Slowly treading deeper and deeper. I up to their flanks their backs then their next than the tops of their gleaming. White heads to the moment. Each cow vanished beneath the lake's surface. Do you know what happened. Right at the spot. Where the creature went under there emerged a tiny water lily. Each bright star shaped blossom as white as the neck of a swan the fleece of allowed the pearl of annoys her ever since come summertime the beard blake has been covered in water lilies and eternal reminder of gladwin the white flour to the farmer who was foolish enough to let his humility Now it's your turn farmer. Davies wasn't content with what he had wasn't satisfied but a great way to feel content is to practice attitude. Being grateful helps. Focus on what you do have rather than what you don't so next time you sit down for a meal kick things off with a gratitude. Circle have each person. Say one thing or person place where experience that they're grateful for and then when everyone's done you can enjoy your meal with even more thankfulness in your This week story. The bearded lake was adapted by me. Rebecca it was edited by emory. See efforts circle rounds original music and sound design direction. Aloneness are artists. 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Warriors: Christian Davies

Encyclopedia Womannica

06:27 min | 1 year ago

Warriors: Christian Davies

"Hello from Wonder Media Network. I'm Jenny Kaplan. And this is encyclopedia. Will Manteca Gotcha. This month. Were talking about warriors women from throughout history and around the world who stood up to fight for what they believed in for some that meant literally taking up arms for others that meant marching writing or speaking up for the cause. Our Warrior today disguised herself for love and in the process US launched a military career. Let's talk about Christian Davies Christian Cavanagh was born in sixteen sixty seven in Dublin Ireland Airland. Her father was a local brewer Christians. Parents were Protestants but sided with the Catholic King James the second in war and Christian's father died in battle will after that Christian moved in with her aunt who ran a pup their Christian Meta servant named Richard Welsh and the two got married when Christians aunt died hi Christian inherited the pub. She ran the establishment and Richard worked as a waiter. The couple had two children and Christian was pregnant with a third when in sixteen sixteen ninety one. Richard disappeared after some time Christian received a letter from her missing husband saying he had ended up in the British army in Holland. The circumstances leading up to that point are somewhat unclear. What is clear is that Christian decided to take matters into her own hands to find Richard and bring him back home? She asked her mom to look after the kids cut. Her hair donned men's clothing and joined the British Army that point she was twenty six six years old Christian who was going by the name. Christopher fought in the infantry at the battle of landed against the French approach she was wounded captured and sent back to the British in sixteen ninety four all without being discovered upon her release she kept fighting with the same company any until she got deal with the sergeant over. A woman after that Christian was discharged but she apparently hadn't had enough of military life and she she still hadn't found her husband in sixteen ninety seven Christian enlisted in a different unit. The Second Royal North British dragoons known as the Scots Greys. She fought with them through the piece of Reiswig ending the nine years war and reenlisted during the war of Spanish succession in seventeen o one. All the while Christian concealed her gender at one point a prostitute even claimed that Christian was the father of her child rather than admit that wasn't possibly the case Christian in one along with the claim and paid the prostitute child support Christian had found contentment in battle. She continued to fight through injury. And many years of unsuccessfully locating Richard who she told fellow soldiers was her brother after being injured at the battle of Schellenberg Christian was asked to guard French prisoners. She was doing just just that when at long last she found her husband some say she recognized him while he was hitting on another woman. It had been thirteen years since they've lost each other. Despite that time Christian was livid that she found her husband interested in another woman and refused to reconcile reconcile with them instead. She wanted to keep fighting. The duo agreed. Neither would reveal Christians gender and they pretended to be brothers in Seventeen O. Oh six Christian was once again wounded in battle this time with a fractured skull. At long last the rues the surgeon treating Christian discovered that she was a woman woman and the news spread like wildfire when the Scots Greys Brigade. Commander got the whole story from Richard. He decided to continue paying Christian and and once she was healthy. A ladder to continue traveling with the troops as Richard's wife that said she was discharged from the unit as a soldier. The drama of Christians relationship with Richard was far from over while it seems she was faithful. He certainly was not and Christian. Wasn't cool without arrangement when she found one mistress following allowing the regiment Christian attacked her and supposedly cut off. The mistress's knows Christian was clearly quite devoted. When Richard died in battle Christian Russian spent hours searching for his body in order to give him a proper burial? After Richard's death Christian linked up with a couple of other military men marrying one named Hugh Hugh Jones just three months after Richard's demise not long after her second husband also died in battle Christian's life story was so extraordinary that it earned her a lifetime pension in seventeen twelve she was presented to Queen Anne Court and the clean gave her a bounty of fifty pounds shilling a day for the rest of her life after that Christian returned to Dublin found herself another military man and opened up above us to a more nomadic lifestyle Christian and her third husband moved often throughout the rest of their years Christian died in seventeen eighteen thirty nine at the age of seventy two. She was buried with full military honors tune in tomorrow to learn about another powerful warrior. Here this week of Encyclopedia Will Manica is brought to you by native. No matter what you're fighting for native deodorant insurance you smell good doing it. 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Charlie Davies' rules for jersey swaps, epic Rushmore rant & Greatest Team bracket begins!

ExtraTime

1:09:55 hr | 1 year ago

Charlie Davies' rules for jersey swaps, epic Rushmore rant & Greatest Team bracket begins!

"You're listening to extra time driven by Continental. You feel enough that Matt. I feel a lot better than Bob. Extra me see how I find out what's going on in the MLS. Maybe this podcast is influenced me a little bit as well loss loss. Everybody up here. Every single day goes into the office into the laboratory to try to cook up some great stuff for you guys here from New York New York. You are listening to extra time driven by continental from my apartment in bed. Stuy Andrew Review with my partners in soccer. Charlie Davies Mattdoyle David Goss. What's up boys? I felt at that time. I've been to Brooklyn New York and it. Kinda just dip didn't feel right and soon as I cut you off there. I have to cut you off. I haven't had a great sleep. This I feel unsettled after. I witnessed the Mount Rushmore. That you guys put up on twitter. That really just got under my skin. And it's it's been tough to to let it slide until this till this moment right here. So is this for you Charlie personal or is this like your on board. It's like you know the pitchfork wielding mob the twitter groupthink. Has It got to you or did you feel this truly in your gut and when you say you couldn't hit me to the core the core I said Alphonso Davies. Are you Outta your mind? All right everyone is going to agree with Landon. Donovan gave us cups. Let's not even a debate here. Okay Marco Etcheverry he's the MLS Cup MVP and the inaugural season the best player on that team and the MVP. And Ninety eight like Marco Etcheverry. He deserves to be up there. He's like kind of like the George Washington. If you if you will sewer here to think they both kind of have that kind of curly. Perm you throw out of those. Like triangle hats on them and stick them on a boat in the Delaware. And there. You Go. I'm here for now. Is where against interesting you went with Alphonso Davies now. He doesn't even belong to be mentioned as a possible head up there. Mount Rushmore Nineties inventions. Okay I'M GONNA go with wrecking preki. Needs to be up there though only two time. Mvp In this league the only two time MVP in this league he. When I think I'm rocking that Wiz ninety six right here because what I think. Last I slept on this too. I felt I felt real good knowing that breakfast faces up there what you meant to league. How good he was in the league and how he's just been you know you always see him on. The sidelines. Now is as a coaching. The coaching staffs I just firmly believe that he should be up there on Mount Rushmore. You're talking about history. And the growth of the League. He was a big part of sticking respect. Finds it more interested though in the way you felt man? Express yourself when you saw Davies. All I was I was enraged. I was deeply unsettled. I think Charlie was mainly thrown off because the group we had said Davies so I think Charlie assumed his face was going to be on me. He's already like picking out sculptor. He's like which side then. The fourth is David Beckham. Now it's not because he was so good nevertheless you're like oh I got to put him up there as because he he just changed the game. You're not getting down to come to this league you're not getting slapped on Abraham Bitch noggin. Robbie Keane Getting Kakai you're not getting teary anri. If Beckham doesn't come to this league. He changed the landscape of major league soccer. Yes don't you know? No no but all eyes on the globe on. Mls? We asked about. David Beckham we put them on our list. I that's that's why I'm agreeing with you thing. Charlie David Beckham encouraged other guys to get that money whereas Davies is the one bringing in money our baby. Bring US encouraging. How many how? Much money billers and how much did not necessarily. Oh I think what is trying to do be selling league and why because of what Atlanta was able to do with Alma Rhone if Miguel marrone comes in you go out and scout a South American player right. Who who's on the verge of being a a star not yet you see the potential you bring them to Atlanta. You haven't played for a couple years and you sell them for the big bucks right a fundraiser. For and let's grab me wrong for Vancouver Alfonzo Davies coming through and doing what he did. The whole point is going down to get somebody who's GonNa perform like Miguel. Alfonso Davies wasn't doing what Miguel marrone did this. Good as he was he was not doing six years younger and he's already doing things in Europe at time making money more American players. That are good. Atlanta's aren't going to get South American players having them playing then selling them onto Europe. Money on Mount Rushmore. If this is what you're going with how much it even Davies camp in the first conversation and now I'm there Charlie. Quick mass eight million own they had to pay for the man so then twenty million down to twenty flipside is impressed that fee because that's the way it works on Alphonso Davies. Zero cut is a man your academy he represents your slate that turn bellefonds Davies One and MLS. Cup was hoisting that bad boy no hoisting MVP. And I'd say good job you're right. Who is going to be the base of the biggest? Not but you bring the when you're in Europe when you're talking to people around the world about MLS Beckham was the face of what MLS was for a lot of years in the next three years easy but for the next fifteen it's going to be Alfonzo Davies. He's going to be starting and Champions League finals. And everyone's GonNa say that guy is what? Mls can be. Why did you we care so much about years from now because the key of Soccer Championship in England is the number one league in the world? You have to have that respect. So you think left-back is GonNa garnered that much attention that everyone's going to go wow. Mls is the League just as you have eleven to everyone with Guy Stop. He also may not left backside that point. Stop it we can. We can argue about this forever. But what the real point I'm more. I'm more broadly over Japan. Crime Mourn for the CODA Raqi. And you the one guy that overly monroe you know where. There's only two guys that really hurt. That hurt not to be our Mount Rushmore. And that's the Reindeer Rosario and the reason why wind up there is because he played for so many teams if you if joined era sariol only played for San Jose and then Houston and that was it. I would say he's got to be up there. But because he he he was switched from San Jose to Houston. What she didn't have any you know he can. He can do anything about that but then Toronto and then DC back to draw. There's too many in the New York. Obviously shortstop too many too many places for for a player that is supposed to be iconic and legendary right. You're not letting a guy like that leave but was more like a lone wolf. He could get the job done. Adam Adams Avenue. Incredible AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR DANGEROUS. Sorry because I was able to play with them at DC. But if you're if you're moving too many places like that you can't be up on Mount Rushmore route. Mount Rushmore is about growth development person per survey. Shen and tradition. They Rosario can't be there but high may Merano. That's another name but because Etcheverry is already on the mountain doesn't feel right but putting him up there as well but definitely played for every team in the northern hemisphere. He chewing he would just excellence right. It was just excellent. Practice would have a good case but parking wasn't influential. They he he was like he was the only two time. Mvp A couple of great moments for the US National Team. He won a bunch in mls but late like practicing. You didn't change the league. He's just a great player for six years. And then that was I about one. Yeah the same thing with Mondo. Same thing with like these are. These are great guys if there was an mls hall of fame. They're all first ballot hall favors. But it's not the same thing as being mount rushmore beyond Mount Rushmore. You have to have that baseline of excellence but then you have to have a level of imports and I think they got it wrong with Alphonso Davies. Doyle Persona he's argued strenuously against Alphonso Navy. As a lawyer. You lost your case for one day. That's there I mean I think in her at my argument which I will reiterate is that there is a before and after David Beckham. In how this leak did business and how this league was perceived on the global scale on a scale which changed the types of players they could get in and how much money they could make and reinvest into the league itself. That's why rush were. There is a before an actor. Miguel Almirante for that as well. You're right David. There was one tall hop back in the day. There was Freddie Monteiro and these guys were like the Beta test versions of what Atlanta did with. Miguel marrone Atlanta waiting to defend and they came out with a star that they sold for thirty million dollars. It should. It's changed. It changed in an e was it is still changing the way. Mls does business unlike anything. That's happened in this league. History other than David Beckham which should have been there you know. This is a great sports argument because the number on riquelme's price keeps changing and good sports. Arguments numbers are fluid. Eight thirty your point completely. Correct Thursday morning. Here's the thing though. I'll give Charlie this. He has one of the great cage matches and MLS history. If you put zero and Frankie in a room and say you have to fight it out. Whatever One v one to Mount Rushmore? Those are two of the players. I think I've ever been around. Who feel slighted at every moment at all times and it fuels them. I would love to see those to go after it even at this age to be like one of you will be on. Mount Rushmore on the most. I know if dear. Oh feel slight. Are you kidding me still to this day? Every time he's like well you know I did this. I did this. And you're like okay. You don't remember this. The check reading all the trades of course is the fact that he wasn't a starter off the jump. The fact that is moved to Europe got pushed off come on her but the benefit of this narrative art we still get to put out Bonzo Davies on there. 'cause neither of those dudes are walking out of that room astronauts. They're both going down. So we get off on Davis and Charlie look the point is Davies changed the league and I mourn for your mindset with the code. And Reese man we want them to have the opportunities all right next generation. Build them from the ground up. I want your boys to be the that is not right. And your disrespecting everybody who's who's put blood sweat and tears into this league well enough on does Alphonso Davies a mount rushmore. Mls Qazi. He did not earn up. Did you get any tax about this? Did you reach out to? You can feel like when you weren't sleeping at night. Was your phone filling up with messages. Yes I when they said you need to straighten out your boys. Straighten out your boys going right now because he does not does not doesn't even preserve to be mentioned for Mount Rushmore. I know he's a fifty million dollar left-back those loves the impact million dollar. Play your steady. Be hundred million million. That's difficult moment. He did not more league but none joyless. Toil is back on our side. We wind up baby up to be on the Charlie. Here's if you don't want something stupid. The happen on this show. You GotTa make sure you're on the episode. I learned that myself this past week when I finally saw the brackets and realize that you morons teen Rudd Bulls as the Best Bull Metro Star-team All-time over twenty eight team. Red Bull's twenty-fifty Red Bulls won the support. She'll Soda Twenty Eighteen Twenty six rebels. Did it on sixty points. Twenty eight thousand rebels literally set a new league points record with seventy one points. Twenty Thousand Fifteen rebels head plus nineteen goal differential decent. We'll get even close to supporter shield. Now Two thousand eighteen rebels plus twenty nine goal differential one of the best marks of all time at the time. Twenty eighteen rebels made mainly the cockpit. Caf Champions League semi fines twenty fifteen rebels got knocked out in the first round by Vancouver seems got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs by Columbus Columbus team. That was decent but then go on to lose. Mls COP to at these Portland team. Two thousand eighteen red bull's smoke lovers in the playoffs and then lost to an Atlanta teamed. I think we all agree is one of the best teams in MLS history. Here's the thing that's eighteen rebels. They broke Atlanta Atlanta. United broke because of that change in late September. They had that great game. That was everything for the supporters. Shield both teams accommodate is the best supporter. Shield Ron. You'll race that we've ever had in this league and the rebels just absolutely stopped in. Atlanta was never the same after that they became a sick encounter team because they knew they had no chance against the twenty eighteen rebels and it was the right move it was absolutely the right move in inland absolutely deserve that playoff series win and subsequent. Mls COP over the two thousand eighteen rebels but to choose the twenty fifteen red bolts as the best metro team of all time over that one thousand eight hundred eighteen that lasts for rancor. Rospa me. We're all driving force behind it. Blasphemy each you to come here this day and go after Kaelin and David and data all day Oil Davies. Who want who laid the groundwork for this kind of idiocy. This is just peach. Etr quarantine outs. Let's do it. I got to work with you on branding next time you start the rent with extra times. Greatest team of all time bracket is out in voting has begun. But you know I appreciate the emotion there too. I think twenty fifteen got ups. Apparently sorry honors wants to set the record straight me and have a talk on the side. I've never listened to an episode of HR in my life. I don't know what happened. He says that I led the charge in. Charlie came in and support and Charlie let it. I do not remember the episode. I would argue. I wasn't even on the episode by. I just have to take a little heat off. Charlie but I still think it's Charlie's fall so you get into. We grads beard older grievances. Yeah I was GonNa say anyone else have any anything else out season one of instant hotel but I don't know that this is the place we've got some got some mail about. Who would win in a fight between attack on a grilled cheese sandwich arguing about that but we we don't need to because tacos grilled cheese sandwiches into the ground tendrils onto the grilled cheese straw gray tacos or stronger day. Well the real winner is going to be a bacon egg and cheese on a kaiser roll because that's New York that's we let's get to the extra time greatest of all time bracket we got our first results. We had two different regions. Go to battle. I think it was the continental tire. Reasons shot out the tires for making sure that extra time continues on Forever and ever and ever we hope and I think the other one was the Tam region. If I remember correctly you can vote in these things. It was Sunday into today. So thank you to everybody who voted. Fc Dallas. I believe that a win. Over twenty seven or two thousand seven. Houston Dynamo based on basically the club tweet and all the fans flooding in. So that's one of five votes. We get the other four votes so we'll decide who moves on today and we'll have more votes on the other side of the bracket Come Wednesday into so look out for that. There are thirty two teams. You know how we got to him. Twenty four from club one representative per club in eight at large bids Before we jump into this. How are we going to decide? How are you going to base your votes as we look at for Instance Auto Nyc of AFC against my two thousand and why CFC against two thousand one Miami or two thousand ten Oursel- against Twenty Twelve San Jose and the goonies? So how are you doing this mentally? How are you working through it? Yes I think. My first criteria is which team was more effective in their error? More dominant changed the game. Whatever it is they did. That's my number one and into number two. If that is an obvious difference is then had to head which team those teams actually playing each other. The different factors that they had how they would match up. And then if those two are not enough number three. If I don't care enough is whatever doyle won't blame me for because if I say something and I don't feel strongly enjoy. It comes at me one fifty miles per hour. I can't have enough to deflect it so I just follow his his wake. So those are my three main criteria so for example for NYC AFC. Miami. It is which one changed. The game was more dominant than it would go to the field and then we'll go to whatever dwell says but I think the first one goes to Miami in that conversation all right. Let's start from the top because we have to set winners year. That's our responsibility as we in the greatest of all time but twenty seventeen Toronto. Fc was a one c they faced off against either Twenty Nineteen Cincinnati or twenty twelve Houston as playing game and this was a ninety one percent. Vote from the fans for trout. See I think it should have been ninety nine but was somebody was pulling our leg here. There's like nine percent of people that just wanted to like. It's just fail in voting over and over your Montreal fans so of see moves on. I think I can award the winner there but that brings us to four seed. Twenty Nineteen NYC AFC. Who won nothing against two thousand and one Miami who were the supporters shield winners so I don't know how they were the five seat here but Miami fifty two percent from the fans to forty eight percent from Twenty Nineteen NYC AFC Doyle? Do you agree with the vote? Does Miami move on here. Miami should move on. Yeah I mean no disrespect to CFC. Who were a great team? Last year. Thinks sixty four points But Miami one of the few teams in league history to average more than two points per game their goal differential plus twenty one in just twenty six game because remember. That season was cut short by by nine eleven and they lost in the playoffs. They lost to the first Landon Donovan Championship team. You don't you. Don't go against Landon. Donovan the playoffs folks So like that team. Not only all that but they played the most gorgeous soccer. I think I've seen in this league up until last year's AFC team so just on entertainment factor. I'm absolutely going to vote for Miami Fusion twenty nine going to say to follow up doyle over two points per game and why. Cfc was one point eight. It's an icy because they're actually one of the top ten point earners of all time in that season but fifty seven goals four for Miami that year which is six less than NYC AFC playing eight less games. Now take whatever I want to on your side. Don't burn me on this. He said you were just GonNa agree with them. So I'm with you on that one as well tracking can I still? I still stand by the two thousand fifteen ripple New York by the. It's not like it's not it's like you. By the way toilets the top goalscorers in the entire league that year and panettone and then also with dio certain I mean they had the he's GonNa have the. Mvp had the second goal score Preki. They had all these names in all these bought. It just didn't quite get it on the playoffs. Same as NYC. Afc are there but they got the trophy in the regular season but they also had guys like Chris. Henderson Pablo Mastroeni Carlesimo. All guys role players Nick Raimondo was their goalkeeper Bishop them. You know primarily veteran. That was a great team. That was a team. Could put them in the league. Now you'd have to give them five more DEF pieces but if you put them in the League now at still a sixty five fourteen and NYC won a playoff series so he can knock Miami for losing but NYC CFC hadn't done. I think it's just a bad job by honors. If you're ever GONNA see something back. We can't be out here. I think those just a bad match true true. That's true there were like one hundred text messages in that group chat and I just could not catch up to them so I complained about seating at all twenty two thousand and one stamp it. They're moving on with twenty seventeen Toronto. Fc But this one's a fun one twenty ten Oursel- Twenty Twelve San Jose goonies. This is the three for six matchup. Charlie if you look at this what does your gut say. The Fans said twenty ten ourselves fifty four percent to forty six percent for goonies. I would go. I would go with our saw. That's what my gut says. Alavi was was an absolute beast at that time and e could handle the goonies like just let lobby do do the dirty work. And he's got you so set the table on that this was the best defensive team and MLS history learning goals allowed and then San Jose's a top five offensive team in MLS history. And what they did in two thousand twelve top seven or eight points all time so this is one of the best match of this first round. I think I agree with Charlie that you're talking about the best defense in history. What they were able to do. And then you also adding into this. They were second in the League but they were playing sea Seattle from August through October in the group stage they then moved in to the fall or April of next year and February playing through to the final. So it's like about sixteen months of high level soccer for this team double competitions all those types of things and they were still able to perform at that level. I think the difference do when you when you talk about the goonies. And they'll admit this man. Alan Gordon set it on a stream that we did recently. Somebody else did took remember who it was like. They just didn't have the difference makers in the attack they had guys who would change games. Who would score goals but when it came down to sort of that. Cagey playoff match. Which are still without defense would have put it into. They didn't have the Hobby Mo- they did have Wando. They did have linear. Gordo that we're going to plug in you in certain ways but then they didn't even like a spindle that sort of like this magic moment. Guy Even though is inconsistent. Didn't they didn't have it Marvin Chavez. Maybe he's a close proximity. Oh not even close on the team that that Combo that was a lethal striker partnership because they complimented each other so well spindelegger again. The channels you know. He could dribble with his left foot. He get by people in South. Korea was just a Predator in the box. Big Body called up the ball well and then if you serve it to him in the box he was gonNA finish more times than not so that was just a very dynamic complete team in how Mo what. He doesn't get a lot of credit. That's one player who isn't talked about that much. When you talk about players who could get grab a hold of game in control dictate the tempo that was hobby. Mojo so smooth. I loved watching him. Play in this. We'RE GONNA. Oh sorry you go. No no I'm I'm glad the goonies made it into this bracket because that season was just to watch it. Unfold was magical. I think they've worked something like fifteen goals in the final five minutes and stoppage-time like that was that like they ended up with sixty six points. They were more like fifty four fifty five point they they they deservedly won the shield and they almost beat the galaxy in the playoffs but like we didn't sustain it into the next year once people kind of figured out how to play them is sorta felt part whereas that our team is. David set sixteen straight must. But it's more than that. This was this was basically the same team that won two thousand nine. Mls Cup that kept making finals for the next three years as well And there was there was a way to beat them in Dallas. Showed it in the playoffs? You Outrun you break diamond apart with speed moderated the same thing to a lesser extent in the two thousand and eleven. Cc L. Finals. San Jose wasn't going to be able to do that ten. Just hit long balls but second balls. Beat the hell out of the box. I think that a lot of orchards would have annual handle that this our S. L. team forty five goal scored which believe it or not in twenty ten. Mls was walk and only twenty goals allow their one of the few teams in Emily's history that actually scored more than twice as many goals as they allowed. And I think if they had been in se- Seattle in the second half of that season they would've won their second straight. Mls and to Doyle's point they were second in the League in scoring right behind the galaxy. And then you add in. This team drafted Chris. Schuler that year. Who when healthy was one of the best backs and MLS for a little bit of time? And you have Tony Velcro. Over State senator twenty thirteen later but he kept them up when Hamas love left who was a year. And you're Tony Beltran on the bench as well. So you've got you've got top quality. You've got winning in knockout competitions. You've got winning in regular season so wrong ourselves squad that look. I think I think the seating on this one spot on boys well done three six. The fans got it. No one wants to hear it. It's kind of becoming a view. That's fun that's the last time we gotta compliment from me. Huntington ourself moving right along so far. What we have chock so far no we have the the five in two thousand Miami going on so Let's move to the two seed seven seat and I was wrong. I thought Twenty fifteen red bulls got knocked off but people did not respect twenty sixteen Colorado rapids seventy-seven percent in this matchup but the twenty fifteen shield-winning red balls only twenty three percent for two thousand Sixteen Colorado who finished Sarah. Score couldn't score. There were thirty nine goals on this. This was easy. This one was easy. Rebel New York team. I'll keep going back to it. Boom Sasha question comes in and was just fire with DAX behind him complete midfield. I loved it. Bradley Wright Phillips Still Doing what he does best scoring goals. The X factor for this team was my guerrilla. He came into his own with with New York. I've always thought my girl. I played with them growing up from fifteen up with eastern is in regional or one and and just seeing how he's always had skill always had the ability to pull off these trick plays but never really. It never really amounted anything in. Mls that year. It did for him and he was able to add that creativity being able to think outside. The box brings up new to that team with that high pressure. They had phenomenal so that that for me is why that twenty fifteen is better than the twenty eighteen eighteen team because you had the Veterans House. That's because they're still. They're still in their prime. I'm GonNa take that team all day. There was a plus. Sasha question and DAX will be with me. There'd be behind me saying you right. Fatty was better than even Bradley Right. We'll tell you that two thousand fifteen on was on the radio. I've seen a neighbor team. They had the lowest points total of any of the last seven supporter shield winners. They didn't do anything in the playoffs. Into ANYTHING IN CC. L. Knowing you're cleaning done any they went to the Eastern Conference finals like Newark. No wasn't Columbus Columbus conference girls. Yeah that's right. They had that they had a two nil. Aggregate win over. Dc DESK or okay. Yeah expert the winter. No one of these jobs now come on the Eastern Conference finals one team. We should be arguing about this. We all agreed that twenty fifteen rebels or better than twenty sixteen Colorado. Yes yeah the rant happened. Let's just put the stamp on it. Twenty fifteen bulls moving on so we have one upset quote unquote two thousand one Miami. Hard to call that an upset in his bracket because ultimately they wear the shield winners in two thousand and one was moved on down. Twenty Fourteen Alley Galaxy the final those championship Those championships there for them. And then you have twenty nine Minnesota run over. According to the fans twelve percent for Minnesota eighty percents daily galaxy dominated. I mean what do we do? We have anything to talk about on this one. I don't think so. Give it to the galaxy. Move On. Maybe we'll have a tougher test in the second round because according to the fans they're going to take twenty sixteen. Fc Dallas as Morro de as Bobbin Sto that is speed kills according to the vote. Sixty one percent for them thirty nine percent or the two thousand seven Houston Dynamo. Mls Cup winners. Anders notes here that the votes back and forth and then Dallas. Fc Dallas re tweeted it and that gave him the final push. So there's one vote. Do we agree with the fans? Votes to twenty sixteen. Fc Dallas. Because I don't think mine does I think I'm going. I think I'm going to thousand seven Houston Dynamo and first of all the championship pedigree. The got it done I think just from a sort of like quote unquote Gamer and also just legends. Within the squad. They had more of them. The did that. Fc Dallas team. I think Mara was extremely special. We've heard your that. Fabio Steele was probably the hardest one B. One matchup in the League in that time. But I think top to bottom the Houston Dynamo roster at that time. If you put these two teams on the field would look at this matchup. And it wouldn't be easy. I think they would trust themselves to grinded out and they had a rough aunts makers they'd rough you up they they would be hidden more deers ab crushing Fabio Castillo. They had those vets. They played the game like they were gonNA. They were just trying out a muscle you. It was a physical team. They did have those those game changers. Rico Clark in the midfield just banging everybody. Brad Davis Dangerous setpiece. Your Brian Ching following. Do we consider Rico Clark to be a part of this? Because he wasn't. It wasn't a part of that that MLS Cup run and do this but he is still on the team and did play a stretch of that season but also goes to the depth. A player they still had maroon it. Yeah no I mean honestly. I think that this twenty sixteen. Dallas team gets overlooked because they they won the double. They won't supporter shield and they won Us Open cut and that like that's an amazing accomplishment than they've lost their best player and they still almost beat the sounders in the playoffs win on penalties. I'm I'M MR member remembering the the playoff front anyway. I think I do feel like the Dallas team is better but I think if it came down to an elimination game my money would be on that Houston team. I mean. That's a tough one. That's that that is probably the toughest one for me to pay between. Yeah I would agree. I think you look at teams that are similar in terms of what they did against their competition although for Houston they were one of the best defensive teams of all time. Their points per game is barely below at Dallas has was even though. Dallas won the shield. And then you add that Houston wins. Mls Cup and part of that is when you you know going through the criteria. Okay you put the two on the field. This is a Houston team that I don't know dominates with the way they play and dictates what other teams do but if you put them on a field with anyone they'll figure out ways to win right and that's and you've got that top down have a great goalscorer either. Allston have like a great striker. They had had a great striker if they'd had Charlie Davies. Twenty eleven drawed. Pk cable let's go at the sixty five seventy point team. Maybe go but no I like I honestly think this is like no disrespect to Dallas. Because that was a great team. They deserve their trophies that Houston team. That was the last of that great dynasty they just new Atkins. I mean this Houston team had a plus twenty goal differential. Like that is something else. And they didn't even windshield and they go onto. Mls Cup who finished first in the West Abelino she Chiba USA baby. We've got another hockey reference in for you. How many can we do we award in this one to two thousand seven Houston Dynamo? This'll be another five seat of four seed you he's like yes. Ca Tournament Man all his cyberspace Upsets right beautiful beautiful. I I don't WanNa talk about the NCAA tournament and upset really. That's that's like that's tough territory for me. Here's twenty eighteen rebelled team. They're taking on a ninety eight Chicago fire and this is an incredible matchup. And this is where the quote unquote upset happened. Because that's eighteen. Shield winning point. Total setting red bull's theme was a three seed and the ninety eight double winning Chicago fire in their very first year. The sixth seed the fire. Late rally here because they were losing for a while and I thought This is GonNa be interesting fifty one percent. It was very close to forty nine percent for the red bull so the fan vote goes to the ninety eight Chicago fire. And I'M GONNA throw this to you doyle because you may be needed. I didn't see the ninety s Chicago. Fire play I wrote a column about this one of my regrets that I know what happened in the first ten years of MLS. You know what I mean. I don't have the context. I don't have the place in time. I don't have the personal memories. I didn't see the match in. See the players live all I have old games and highlights and it's not the same you saw both of these themes which one's better the red bulls like that red bull seem and I respect everything that tried to be saying about that. Twenty fifteen that twenty eight thousand team was better and it's not just because of the talent. Though central defense they were better at left back. They were better at right back there better. You could argue central midfield. They were better though. I think that one's very close on the rela had a nicer. In Two thousand fifteen twenty eighteen wire had a nicer like Bradley. Wright Phillips had better goals and assists in two thousand eighteen that he didn't twenty-fifth all of that but the way they played the game it wasn't just distinct. It was unique. What what the Red Bulls did in two thousand eighteen was. Treat winning fifty fifties the way everyone else treated completing passes. It was a they. They took the notion of high pressing and they amp up to its highest level till almost became farcical but teams couldn't deal with it and that's why sat literally set the record and pretty frequently out played one of the five best teams in the League. Now that twenty that nineteen ninety eight Colorado team or Colorado Chicago Team Rather. They were an expansion team. Bob Bradley built them. You know he does well building expansion teams they were one of the best in are still to this day. One of the best counter-attacked teams in league history to go back and you wash that. Mls cupped against the nineteen. Ninety eight DC united team like I twenty five minutes Colorado's not urge how does not even in the gang but as soon as they get a chance to go forward on like a transition. It all runs through Peter Novak. Everybody knows their roles. They get the goals of Peter. Novak's brilliant the counter. And that was that was how they played behind him. They had guys like Jesse Marsh and Chris. Armas with the hell out of you. They played with the truth. Drew Sweeper Lubos Kubik with you know. A harassment Dune in type left foot. He was awesome as a show. Many of those counters started with him on the ball hitting these long fifty are diagonal outlets. They were a truly great t. You don't be that you're selling galaxy in DC united teams if you're not a truly great eighteen but the gap between what they're era is and what this era is and what that red bull's team did and what that Chicago fire team was. I mean I. I think it's twenty minutes. I think we should call Jesse Marsch. See what you have to say and Chris Armas some actual experts. I gotta I gotTa lean for Doyle as well in terms of baby. Yeah exactly well. That's how I feel though you're talking about teams that were great at their time. You're talking about two teams at accomplished a lot of things. I think toil makes a good point in the Way New York played. You know to change the way people perceive the game while could be done in this league and then on top of that too loose to Atlanta in the Eastern Conference finals. The way they did which is a team that we're going to have deep in this competition. I think even gives them more of just they push them in the regular season they they set the points record at the time which I think always has to be mentioned because look back on history but you know when Toronto did in two thousand. Seventeen when these twenty. We didn't think it was possible what they did the rate they did it at week in and week out so I agree with oil. One of the things he said was they were better at left-back which makes no sense. Because it was the same player but Tyler Abbott Kemar Lawrence was a much better player. The and he wasn't but you talk about Tyler Adams at his peak and Emma. Last you talked about Aaron long and Tim Parker at centerback which was the best pairing in the League and arguably still is all those things so eileen with doyle as well for New York. How much of a dangerous there of sort of era bias and? I guess that was partially what I was getting. I was talking about how I just haven't. I didn't see that ninety fire team. Play so part of me. Lionize them because of the double because of the names in there because it was their expansion season because I have this nostalgia for old school. Mls like how do we balance? That sort of difference in eras that you referred to oil because mostly we have gone with the more modern era team that we did go two thousand seven Houston Dynamo and maybe we overvalued who they were at that time based on the quote Unquote Gamer Model How do we do we bridge that gap? Does that matter in this case? Should we consider it? I think so. It's GonNa matter the nineteen ninety-six mutiny. Nineteen Ninety six. Mutiny would not win a single game. Because they were old-style soccer team that all revolved around one player. The one thousand nine hundred fire were a much more well rounded much more dangerous team And you know. Obviously they had maybe the coach novelist history. There is a danger. I mean there's a there's a danger of of recency biased but then there's also the danger of being trapped in the past And that's why this whole thing is hypothetical fight and figure out a way to put it on the field. One thing. I would say that that. The the reason land united became a counter attacking team against the Red Bulls in two thousand. Eighteen is because the rebels the anybody who tried to do anything with the fall but you could counter now. This nineteen ninety eight fire team beats the rebels like it because there they were that good count like they were they were just absolutely superb on the counter they can sit back and absorb in. Just go forward all at once. So it's it's a tough match. There is an argument either. Way is you said David. You know we're the rebels against the Atlanta team is going to go very far. Well it's the fire. Beat the nine hundred. Ninety eight DC United States think might still be the best of those DC united so. It's like both these teams have have great arguments but year a sham. Because this should be the two thousand fifteen team. The twenty eighteen rebel team should have gotten Hassi in the first round against twenty sixteen rapids. Where's your Bogo and Charlie? I'm going fire. Boo Fire Fire in the hole argument of different errors competing each other. Just like the Bulls were watching. Nineteen ninety-six bowls and twenty years later. The Golden State Warriors beat the record. But like Michael Jordan said. It don't mean a thing unless you got the ring right so you have to. You have to win the championship in that. That team that ninety-six Bull's team if they just played the warriors in a heads up do you think they're gonNA they're gonNa beat the warriors when they can out shoot you from all over the place like probably not just because the level athlete is just that much better now as opposed to then but then you have those players who were transcended who can play any era right Bachelor Gago fires at many players. Who could play now if transport them to now because of just their skill on the ball the awareness their mindset the way they approached the game and how quick. They're able to think in game doesn't matter you can play in any in any era because they were that good here and that. That's the difference. I think they had a lot of players who had played at the highest level. You talked about Peter Noah Novak what you could do on the field. He could play no matter where you could put him on the field. He's GonNa do his thing. They had that so many veterans who could get the job done and figure out a way to win so I would take them and ahead heads up match against that twenty-seven worrying Charlie would be like if you're talking about the ninety eight red bull's it's either marsh are ninety eight to twenty rentals. Marsha armies gained planning for that. They're gonNA look at take and they're gonNA take away coupon. They're they're just GONNA has Bradley. Sit Right on top of Lubos. Kubik did not allow him to those asses and without those outlet pass. It's without him like there's a reason people. Aren't you sweet presentable? Right like I think she becomes a target in sort of the soft underbelly of that fire team. I mean again I could see going either way but it's just there's just an old fashioned miss to it because of that sweeper would be would be fascinating. A doesn't the flip side of that. The Bradley would in that in this as he approaches it the nineteen ninety eight version knows what that press is going to do and and go changes it but the sweeper like you couldn't tactically change that much like that sweeper that defined a lot of who that fire team was in the same way that the four three three defines a lot of what. Peter Ramiz does in Sporting Kansas City. So there was flexibility for the time. But there wasn't. I don't know if there would be enough against a modern team to votes Charleena fans for the nineties fire. Yeah I'm assuming that's two votes for you. Guys for the Red Bulls. Yup puts me in a position. I really didn't want to be in because I just don't know and I don't know I Bradley. Chris Armas Jesse Marsh to all come on the show again as and you're gonNA piss off most of them either way. Let's be shared Bob's pissed no matter what even if we pick Chicago for the wrong reason. So you're safe on that one Jesse and Chris who we could ask but to go back to Doyle's point I think when you're asking that question of like how you weigh the two hours you have to look at their dominance there against competition in their time. The New York Red Bulls set points record above a team that is considered one of the best and MLS history when Chicago. Being a great team didn't even win the shield their year. So what Charlie's argument which I think is correct goes into the playoff model. Even more of you trust Chicago on the field and a one on one game because of what they could do reacting to the other team but you look at what New York did to change the way the game was played and dominate. Over the course of all these months later on in history and put up seventy one points which we didn't go with it but then when it mattered. Charlie would you take ninety eight Chicago? Fire the twenty eighteen. What I take the ninety eight fire over two thousand eighteen. Elaine no seven. They're the same scenario then if they get an I also because they work. They didn't win win the company. If we're talking about okay can win the get your argument. Not About Twenty Teen Red Bull's changing the game changing the approach. Ushering something that molest but didn't know they had years to build into that. That was a project that came to fruition. The fire didn't have years to build them. That what they did in someways changes the league at wet as well because it. It meant that you could come in and if you built a roster the right way not maybe this speaks to the relative strength of MLS than the other teams in projects in rosters at the time but in your one they were able to come in and win a double. They did something unprecedented No other team has ever done that. In many similar ways it is another part of history. That doesn't have a match and you have a good answer wall. You're thinking I'll say this expansion was different back then. They didn't have the restrictions teams from eight through two thousand sixteen had in terms of having to take players from expansion blah blah blah blah blah. And on top of that. If you'RE GONNA say they changed the way teams did it. Ninety six was an expansion. Your for everyone in DC and la put together the teams that they had in DC continued to be that good for four more years. After so I would slight that a little bit in terms of just the expansion argument. Being like yeah. They hit the ground running in year. One I don't know that it's ass strong as saying a team in twenty twenty comes in as an expansion team is the best team in. Mls At some point. We're going GONNA BE WRONG EITHER. Way You spur. It would be never side with Charlie. 'cause you'll end up on. That industry hurts. It hurts because I am somebody who looks at that ninety eight five team despite not truly knowing them. It has so much admiration for all the guys on the team all the coaching staff. What they were able to accomplish in a different era in terms of the You know even just like sports science and all these different things but I. I think I gotta go with the Red Bulls. I think that regular season level of consistency that sort of like collective game changing ability because they did just they just punched in the mouth repeatedly drove into the ground. If I don't feel good about it Charlie. I know that you're upset with me and other you're frustrated at you know. I know that you may never let this go. After the whole Mount Rushmore responsibility this is. This is my own bias because I did see the ninety eight fired team. I just didn't see them play so I can't imagine what imagine them what if we put Alfonso Davies on that fire. Would that push over the top? Three of a thousand percent every day of the week. I mean he is almost Mount Rushmore. So I think okay. Sorry more for Charlie but I feel like the more I say the Morale Piss them off twenty eighteen read move on and I don't feel good about it I I want. I want everyone to know that. The final match voted on this agonizing. Hope HURTS. Can you not see a beast in these things? Don't or from a murder Hornets state? Yeah the mandible are pulling me apart right now all right final match up your two thousand fourteen Seattle two thousand three Chicago Fire. Two thousand three Chicago fire. We had arguments that they were the best team. You have demarcus in bocanegra coming into this team. Thirty one percent for the seven seed at twenty fourteen shield winning Seattle Team at we already know that was nice Both on the shield. If I remember correctly neither got it done in the playoffs. We go on with the fans. Charlie's I delete them stations and we can all follow Ova Deuce. That's almost say. Oba deuce Chad Marshall on the back like Ozzy lock it up. Lock it up. Ozzy just lock it up strong spine strong spine. I agree with Charlie. I'm also amazed that one of the largest responses we got on social media with Seattle fans. Complaining that this was the team that got in and not twenty nineteen or twenty sixteen which makes no sense So I appreciate that. I appreciate then hangs at all times but I go twenty four team. I think this team this Seattle team as a shot to get to like a final four or something like that. Because they were incredible to watch they had top talent they have arguably one of the best players at their position up the spine in their prime. When you look at FRY Marshall Ozzy into over Deuce so. I think they're going to be a contender in that conversation and I love this team. So Yeah Twenty Four. Yeah I don't think there's much debate about this matchup. It's it's twenty fourteen Seattle. That said one of the. What if what if Chad Marshall doesn't get hurt in two thousand eighteen playoffs against Portland because Seattle in the Second? Half of that year they had the best half season in terms of wins per game in. Mls history. I think they set the single-season or the the winning streak record. Write eleven wins in a row or something like that only lost once and then they had that epic series against the timber is where both. Ozzy and Marshall got her. If I recall correctly If they hadn't they breezed through the Western Conference and we're talking about them is Atlanta in that twenty eighteen analysts cop. Which would have been something else. Twenty one seattle moving outside the decisions here. Fan Voting for the discovery rights regions are ensue. Seattle begins on Wednesday. Will tweet that out as you look at these matchups anything. Stand out to you. Any like three through six seeds in here actually won the next ones. Yeah I look at that two thousand two galaxy but they're up against two thousand eight Columbus. Oh that's difficult for them to even get through the first round twenty eleven galaxy five seed. I think you know. It's pre keen. I guess or no keen was second half of the year so wasn't enough one one of the things that we have to mention with the galaxy. And we'll do this as we go through. These games is like the complete lack of caring about Open Cup and at times for some of these teams. That team lost the Puerto Rico. Islanders in a playing a game for the senior oursel- went to a final. So like to me. That's has to be a factor. With how many competitions are you? Are you in? How hard you playing in those competitions? How why are you also have to remember? Some coaches didn't care agreements other competition. So but that but that has the focus in the regular season better than a team that was playing in the final. Not necessarily. I mean it went from team to team. Who's different approach for different coaches different organizations whether you want to win whether you want to win everything when you wanted to say you know what we're just going to play reserves maybe we'll sprinkle in some stars. It's it's really tough to to balance. What clubs took the CEO for real versus which clubs? We don't really care about that. Or we don't even really care about the regular season. Just care about the play offs. So I think it's okay to penalize clubs that that's like this is how we canonized great clubs and MLS history. Is you go out there and you try to win it all. And that's what's been wonderful if hates us but this has been wonderful about Atlanta coming into the league. That is as soon as Radha came into the league in twenty seventeen. They said we're going to try to win. And everything we are not going to rest players. We are not going. You're you're I mean obviously a little bit but like they tried to push through and win every competition there and we needed the league absolutely needed that and that's why will remember these Atlanta teams even though they haven't done everything as something special in history. Don't don't you have to put Seattle in that convoy to to win. Open Cup coming into the League to make the playoffs every year to compete at a high level as an expansion team in Seattle has given a damn about the. She'll since two thousand fourteen. They don't really care about the Open Cup either. I wouldn't get on a flight to go play the rail hawks. Either this back brackets and we could just knock the galaxy out early on every matchup we just the Carolina Rail Hawks it all right. Let us know if you disagree with us if we got our votes wrong. What you think about the brackets off. Our Wednesday voting will open up the Seattle region and the discovery rights region. We are down to twenty four teams leftover and Yeah so you got eight. More first round matchups will go into the final sixteen. Let's get to the mail bag the call up what's mattdoyle suggested cocktail the week. This is what everybody wants to know what we got. So shout out to my buddy. Dan and actually sent me a cocktail book. Which is Italian leakier of. We're going to go with the Genera behalf of Bourbon half outs of Genera. Which is a bitter Italian macaire. Half ounce of apple which is a slightly less bitter Italian with your and a little bit of bitterest and then. He served that on the rocks. That's beautiful a cocktail. The week for oil. I'm chas which has beer in the cocktail so. Sc has lots of time on his hands. He hit us up. He ran numbers on our mount. Rushmore is these are players who are not in their clubs. Top Ten all time appearances or goals that we put on the rush. Moore's I don't really think that's a great measurement but it is a measurement Davies and in Vancouver a Mayan Gutman in Cincinnati. Come on we. Were mostly trolling you with the Cincinnati. Rushmore back home for the galaxy but come on now pope for DC BLANCO FOR CHICAGO AND APAR- for Minnesota. I mean you can't punish for that on the Chicago one. Yeah he jailed in early. David I may not have been on that episode. Hard to remember these things. Davidenko each easier. Mount Rushmore. He says for the best team of all time. I wonder if a random draw. Us Open Cup style would be better might lead to quarterfinal matchups up. Feel like there could be a final. Maybe avoid James where people just choose the favourite or choose the underdog to be controlling and curry favor with doyle. So everybody's very unfavorable soil. But this is the interesting one that David set. Charlie talked about Jersey Jersey Trading Hound. He is what are the Protocols Protocols About Dirty Jersey trading? I can't read as a forward. Were you more likely jerseys. With another forward or at the defender against you who you battled. Were there guys who just didn't trade? Jerseys what are the rules here? Are they unspoken? Are they spoken before a game? If it's a complicated process it's a very complicated process notebook. I'm yeah you have. You have categories. There's the fan boy. Fan Boy is a player on the roster who typically didn't play your unused substitute and you rush off the bench to go hunt for the most Popular Jersey a popular player on the field. Are you are you taking a dig at London? Woodberry here because when you want it it was it was dropped by. Yeah you got drug but Lang. So if you're the fan boy do you are you are you? Just you take off your warm up top so the guys like did he play did he. Not Do you like throw some water on your heads? You Look sweaty or do you just you could you could you typically. You don't got the warm top your top that you just got your Jersey run up to you say hey. We switched swap to him knowing that he's probably gonNA throw it in the trash on the outer you do. It is offering. I never did that. Never I never traded Jersey if I was on the bench like whether I didn't play or international games I didn't play. I'm not going to ask for injury. But if you're sub Dad Ernst I didn't read if I if I didn't play I was Never Trading Jersey. I didn't earn it. I'm not going up to fan boy. What are the other categories? The other categories respect. You're on the field. You're battling against the player in You know that you have to go up against a striker and battling these centrebacks. After the gay man's you're like man. I hated you during the game but I respected the way you play. I respect the way you approach the game. It was a real challenge. I liked I remember. Remember you and your performance like let's try jerseys. I enjoyed that. That was Kenneth. Yes allow we battled like just elbows and had cuts all of my legs and it was like I was sore after the game and he looked at me and said Yeah respect. Bro. Let's do it. And we traded drew more when he was with Colorado rapids. Another Guy Battled Bowden College. I looked at him. I said Yeah you know less trade jerseys and same thing So those are two guys when I look back to like we battled and I appreciated like swapping jerseys that definitely sticks out in my mind then the role model. Tyrian re was my idol. You know twenty eleven denied. I get a chance to play against the rebel. I met him seen him. He shakes my hand before the game on doing starting and he's like you know. I wish you all the best you know. We're all behind you. It's courageous what you're doing that you back on the field after you know what you've gone through like that will always always be a highlight in my mind swap injuries after at the end. The game with him You know that. That's one of those things that motivate you pushes you and also justifies. Why he was your favorite player in your idol. As as a young this Charlie. If you can only keep one Jersey you swapped would it whereas another one out there that you would say man? This one just has a little bit more meaning to me. I have to hold onto it. It would be anri although it's a tough one because that twenty fourteen final a swapped Jersey Land Ottoman and everything. We did together on the national team. What he meant to me. You know that that's a pretty meaningful one. It was his first retirement jersey. If you will was the last yeah just like the whole process of climbing the mountain again. No gang back on it fighting to to get on the field be influential and and have an impact and I felt like that two thousand fourteen season was like I really earned minutes like I earned it and helping the team get into the playoffs and in performing the way I did with that New England team in two thousand fourteen it. It all felt like it was meant to swap. Yeah I was about to ask. Do you do that and then have the trophy ceremony? Do you walk over and trade? Yeah after final? I think we I think right after the game walked up to him and it was just I was like I don't know if he's going to trade this Jersey like its last wonder you just want an any traded we trade and I was like. Wow that that goes to show like it was it was significant. That meant something because he could have easily said Have a Jersey in the in the locker room. I'll give you know one of the old ones like. But he he swapped it. And then there's the man. The kit man grabs a bunch of jerseys from the team. You're playing and you go back to locker room. He's kind of like bic. Which one you want and you grab one so those that's how you break down the criterion hold on. Is there like a line? Is there like seniority where you know like let's say? I'm like yeah. I just got young buck. I don't get to just walk in and clean. Yo know if you're a young guy you got to earn your stripes unless you're a store near playing left and right and go up to an older guy veteran who who's a leader respected and he's like you know what I can see. You're you're you're the up and coming player in all like I have respect for you give you the Jersey and probably give you some advice a think about this. Do this kind of like what we saw in the last answer Michael Jordan talking about the Kobe Bryant the All Star Game. Like I'll help you up. Here's my number. Whatever you need in the future you need some advice me up and I'll I'll gladly help you out. What's the breakdown club verse? International what percentage of games are you doing a train I did everyone traded every game? You played mostly. Yeah every international both mostly international club every game. You know there's different circles. You lose a game. It's an. It's in a horrible way or you had a horrible game. You're not not looking at trade jerseys you know so you just go back to the locker room. Then there's the games that were good. That was maybe it was a draw but then you have a friend on the other team. That's the other category of a friend. A close friend you know planning because I'll hundred one of my best friends playing Morita do and playing against some some of your closest friends. Clint Dempsey you swab jerseys. Or You have friends who planned club. Teams likes to hold them was playing at Bolton and playing in Francis. Osho we meet up. I go visit them. We swap jerseys just you know here's. The Jersey signed for you. He signs one for me and we swap. Gooch played at Milan. He gave me His jersey. I gave him my friends Jersey. So you have those occasions to our friends meet up and you swapped the froemming right now. I have a lot of a wine cellar of jerseys to keep them. Yeah I do I do. I do forty five degrees. My top two Kaka in honoree of players trade with us soccer hall of fame asked for the Donovan Jersey. From twenty one. Like I'd say it's untouchable. This is what you do. Here's the exhibit you can you can ask the interacting. It's all about interacts. GotTa have you gotTa have the White Glove. It's a it's in a glass case. You've got the white gloves and let them pick it up and look at it inspect it and then you gonNA put some since we're talking about two thousand fourteen and so on the next show earn over the next couple of days. We're GONNA do voting on the next brackets. Discovery Rights Region L. AFC last year's L. AFC teen is the number one seed. You're twenty fourteen. Reds are One money seat. So they're just still folks understand. Charlie played about half the Games in the regular season three goals or assists in eleven hundred minutes in the regular season than four goals in one assist in five games in the last at a very good year for a very good res- team make the case to the fence why they should vote for your reds team over the L. Afc team that we saw we all saw last year was the best eminem lessons. We we had a great game plan because we could counter teams. That's what we would do with this L. AFC team is back. You you try and make them break you down you. Don't give them space call us. Bella is a player that outbreak break you down and we'd have Jermaine Jones. We'd Say Germaine. Your your goal is just to disrupt caused. Don't he's going to check in. He's going to try and turn people just just be a beast just frustrate him and then the other guys on the outside rings. I'm not too worried about them. If they don't have space and behind I'm not too worried about them causing problems for us. Lee Win One of the best players in that year at holding the ball and creating for us. So we could. We could play a ball in a tough situation. He could get out of it because he was that he was that good and then he could find Teal Bunbury into space. You can find whether it was diego or Kellyn row on the left wing who who typically played more in the midfield and then meows distressing the field so if they were pressing so high. I was going to bind till Bundy was getting behind. And we'd get our chances. We would get our chances. That's for sure would. Would we do enough to prevent L. AFC from scoring that one or two a couple goals and then them changing their game plan? Because Bob Remember Baba's is a huge advantage on. Jay is a coach. Throw it out but we do. We did have a fantastic team. We had a complete team and we could defend like no other encounter better than the most team so we would have a shot. If there was ever a team that could cause an upset. It was at twenty fourteen rusty only been on Thursday. No my votes for the rest. Reluctant going to be the reds lose. Cincinnati in the play. That would not happen. That no sincerity of beating twenty fourteen minutes. I came here for the positional responsibility. The Germain is GONNA have to show to mark across the pill. Germania don't go don't go Murat Ford by the way. Germain has a new podcast and he's making news already with that one so we got a competitor coming up on Thursday. We'll do the other side of the bracket boats on Wednesday watch our twitter addicts return for that when we're also going to do a little Last dance inspired mail and US national team Mount Rushmore. We ran out of time today. So look forward to that one with Kaelin car with that route of here. We might say that one without me. Charlie you wanted if we do things without you then yourself pest shoes one charlie or the US national team. We're not doing the. Us National Team One. Not doing either of them no not the US one but at least the last dance a story within MLS that would be worthy of a document. Save that one for you next Monday. Right okay that's our Jones you do. That's our gift to you Charlie Davies. We're out of here at least you could do you put Alphonso Davies on Mount Rushmore raising sleep. That's the least fit Charlie. Lee Wellman camomile tea. That's my recommendation to you here. What's up everybody?

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Episode 521 - Steph Davies.

Marathon Talk

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Episode 521 - Steph Davies.

"Happy New Year and welcome to twenty twenty s Wednesday. The first of January. I'm Tom Williams. He's Martin Yelling and this is episode five hundred twenty one of Maratha. Talk Nine on this week's show. We hope you had a great Christmas. Listen New Year's is slightly different show again. This week is the only thing we're going to do is bring you Martin. Brilliant interview with two twenty-seven Marathon Running Steph Davies Davies steph improved her. PB Berlin last year. Then at two forty one to twenty seven when running Valencia December. Twenty nine thousand nine. We hope you enjoy and we'll catch. It's all things new year running next week. Joining us on this week's marathon. Talk interview is Steph. Davis Steph recently ran and the Valencia Marathan in a pretty impressive to twenty seven. Forty two I think she placed placed fourteenth. It was a banner five minute. Pb on our previous marathon that she did in London where Sharon to thirty to thirty I think can she make Maybach. Correct me when I bring but I think that was also from the mass. Start her previous best of that was to forty one the previous year the the lane. So I'm really excited to find out how you go from running to forty one to twenty seven. Welcome to math and talk steph. Hello thank you for having me that to twenty seven I think took you to ninth breath on the UK women's all time marathon list. That is amazing thank you it is amazing. I mean what's it like What's it been like for you since running? That's time to be honest. I think it's still sinking in a bit and echina- grass that beat my time at London but not quite the I've got ninth all time in the UK and I mean it's Honor just to be out there with all the best runners in kind in the next event especially such an exciting year. Yeah well I mean. It's a mega year next year. Isn't it for marathon running. So if if I have said to you when you cross the line in Berlin in September last year running to forty one if I said to you so steph in it just over a year's time you're going to run two minutes inside the Olympic qualifying time you know and put yourself in with a great shot of of making live team. What would you say I would be not? You're joking having off Norway and I didn't know I mean coach has always believed I could do it. But I'm that's one thing that I am not very good is the self-belief an and I think that she during the race something just clicked and all kind of fell into place to push along. I would never have thought. After Berlin nigh be a year later running twenty seven. Do think that it sounds like so often. We hear people say yeah well known. Athletes will go here well. I never thought I'd run that quickly but secretly it currently in their back pocket. They like they were going for it. Propagating free so when you told the Line Valencia what what was in your mind so my palmer just go out and run a two thousand nine hundred fifty Olympic qualifying time and and then kind of I saw I was feeling halfway and then try to push on but I ended up going in with a group and we were slightly quicker than that pace on a had. Watch set to buzz for every seventeen forty two which is the five kilometer split for the two thousand nine hundred thirty pace and I so I knew will almost treat away when my my watchful slashing the I was ahead of ahead of that and there was some moments of an cult panic but worry that I was. I was pushing too hard too early on because everyone news in a marathon in its later stages where you pay the price and I just went with my got and an kept with and then when I got halfway I was just assessing each kind of couple of K. as I was as it was cooling and then it felt comfortably fast towards the later stages you hit some some kind of diet patches and I was just breaking the race dying on my head the whole time and praying that I was not gonna hit that wall all and I didn't am I mean that's the last couple of kilometers. Were starting to really hard that had to dig in but but January am l. fell cage and had you any indication of what you know when you go in. You know you you can go into a race having done preparation leading into that race. Definitely to run that kind of time. You know you run for Clapping chases your coached by Phil Kisii. So you you've got a good setup out it's done it you must have had some indicators. In training by understand the uncertainty of knowing whether you can kind of capitalize capitalize on those indicators yet will I think my progression between Berlin and London was all a confidence this for me and and and also I really liked back in allies my splits from London Meyerson and that means that showed that I did have have room to quicker me. My last five K.. In my London London marathon was my quickest is the whole race so I really had a lot to give at the end of the London marathon on a race I did just feel on a high. I didn't feel I mean I'm sure at some points I it but I don't remember feeling any deep deep bites of pain and where I was really having to dig deep at at London so I think that the back of my mind also the kind of bit of confidence that there was more in the tank. And I'm not very good at taking taking risks and I I get nervous. cushy gone too soon and kind of blowing up. It's always a fear of and I think at Valencia something something just kind of twigged and maybe take that that kind of rest GonNa push on and and it paid off and I mean my training had been going well I had had a few options dimes. Nickels but I mean most Martha and hundreds do and I think you learn from from those experiences and they can can make you a stronger in your overall performance. But this is you know so just get. It was Berlin your first marathon for Lomas. My First Marathon Naiad I'm had had done running for a long time before that very own and also Berlin was the very first marathon even that one and and again that felt like a very comfortable marathon and took boost. The food is also. I've got my hands up smiling at the camera. By Kosher they had heart stock. Pretty talk from that so you feel like you ran. Berlin into forty-one inside this kind of feeling inside your comfort zone the whole way. Yes yeah I was pushed a bit more London and ran ran to thirty two. The Fastest Five K being the final five K.. So then you decided I did. Let's put in a bit more on the line. Here in Valencia. Go for that into qualify. Time see what comes out of the other way and you come away with the ninth fastest British marathon yet. Yeah but even that decision was only made during the race. I mean I really kind of aiming for that to nine thirty pace but ended up in tied up in a group Grit with my own decision and to stay there and and that paid off to wet his come from. So you know. It's an impressive breakthrough not only in terms of progression but actually in terms of the time. You've run so to twenty seven to one of the top ten times in history. Run by British woman is the second the third fastest time run by a Scottish woman. Third Third Fastest time. Who's head of you McColgan and Steph twelve instead? Of course yes steph. Just yeah so where do you think that come from so I think I started running when I was in senior school kind of early senior school and join the club as well so I was doing running back in the day variety of events and I was just kind of doing whatever misdoing doing. I wasn't Focusing on a tank aor a particular competition and an went university and Edinburgh. I eight joined the running club there as well and and that was kind of my sport with I was unique but I never really had any consistency structure to my training. It was just more of a social sure. Thanks and fun I I did get some good results at university. I got my fill blues in my final year for my performance in the Scottish Brett's tissue needs cross country since he kind of. Did you know that you had. I'm trying to sort of define where you think that talent to run required to run to twenty seven come from it's like you know what you mean honestly don't have like an exact. I'm sorry I think it's always been there on. I've always been chipping away at it but it's only I'd say this year since London the I've really pushed it and uncensored my billups London Berlin. I definitely have more consistency. Structure my training. But but I feel since after Berlin for London and inform We've really really stepped. Is that some of my life. Okay so you've got you've made a purposeful to run more. Yeah exactly since Berlin. I Spin I mean I love it when I say it's my life. It's because I choose to do I love it but it's been like I'll cut short with friends etc need to train in the morning and it's yet and it helps my other half. He is a really keen athlete himself so he gets it. And he's very supportive and on my work ours. Well I am. I've got flexibility in my working hours and to the the appreciate have a demanding training schedule and they'd give me flexibility theorized role to support that and that came in the beginning of this year. Will I guess not seeming. Yeah I guess they can see you know. Maybe there's somebody who Quantify five to Tokyo in. That's an amazing achievement. Do you come from a athletic background in you. Did it played sports but knows or any other indicators through growing up through kind of family through genetics you know it was like do you appearance a bit like minded look at being go. You run your completely weird. They definitely thought that to begin. And every time has to be to run. They'd be like Oh my goodness again. Why they are Super Supportive at to my dad's since young age has been at the side of tracks cross country courses and gave me pet talks along the way so he's always been really key for me to do it and since they? They saw me run that London. I really kind of understood what it was all Abiam why I'd be putting in so much effort in high matches it means to me on the worth of it and I mean my mom was there at Valencia. She blew up a giant candidate balloon and the core so every time I I could hear our see her. She had this candy cane eighteen so I could spoil her which was which was amazing and so no. They don't run themselves and I mean they keep fit. They was jam occasionally. The lights will walks but they don't by any means to any sort of running. I'm kind of the first person in my family that I knew of. And do you said you've committed and you've you've sort of seriously committed to it. Yeah like where does that drive. Come from guessing just quite competitive myself. I mean gene wants around that to to London and decided I wasn't GonNa do Valencia. I really wanted to beat my London my time at London. That was a huge goal for me. And then I because it's Donna on Olympic year. We have this time that we're trying to achieve to qualify and that gave me kind of another benchmark mark to push it on and I guess standard of female North Mothers in the UK at the moment is is amazing Red Hall and I think that also issues as you on am when you know. There's other amazing There that can do it then. You kind of think. Well why if I put the time in the dedication in the effort into it than what I achieved up to. What does that look like? So if you take us from take us from from What it looked like perhaps previously to what it like Naveh so just have much? Prep heavy been undoing. Wasn't it like a you. Bang at ease incredible miles every week. If you go monster sessions. What's it like? I haven't launched her sessions but I really focus on quality achiever than quantity so mileage is really low compared to Ta- To mostly math marathon runners and I tend to do more around the cross trainer and yet what I know why. What's your what does it? What does the week look like so either on sixty six miles a week and then if I go only one double run a week and the arrest all day running cross train as a typical weekend would include a track session and then another day with some longer intervals and then the long run over the weekend and thought just G to Kinda might experience keeping the mileage little bit lower and jumping on the cross trainer at works for me? and WHO's so you buy to UNIFIL Sedan and Talk About Your Planning and coaching and having an approach where you'll running sixty miles a week is is working for you the long run. And what do you sessions. In the week with Clapham chases so I do a session with some of the clapping chasers so we have kind of smaller group and there's five of us have run a tents and and they're all my running between Nick Thakur our correspondent Event to twenty four Seattle. So next seminal. I'm always trying to chase in training. And now we have a great group who kind of between two thirteen to forty and we all push each other and so that's the kind kind of their own copy chasers trained under under filled. There's there's four of us and so that's the kind of group I train with all GonNa runs in between I do on my own and Dan. Yeah that's kind of format to the week. That's about having that small great. This is really helpful. Yeah so often when you speak to somebody. You have made a significant breakthrough. They'll say while my mind is gone from you. Know like fifty to ninety the Ad Week and you think tank okay so so you know what I'm trying to get a measure on is to. What do you attribute in your training like five minutes from two thirty to twenty seven often in the past? We've seen to to an adult mean this in any disrespectful way at all to thirty two we've seen many reasonably high numbers of very talented British women running to thirty two and sometimes their breakthrough performances and they run to thirty two then. They tend into hoffer Iran that two-thirty too. Often it's because they've put in a ton more training or something you know. Something's enabled them to make the jump from two thousand eight from from wherever they were to the whatever to thirty two but then he's read that you see to thirty two to twenty seven utilized a a mile further up the road trying to understand what you think made that difference. It's purely on the quality of our sessions. I mean the the sessions nations. We have the the tempos in the long runs. The intensity is quite high. And the reason why I've kept away from increasing that mileage Don't get me wrong from Berlin. I probably have slightly increased it. I injured after Berlin on my head. And that has that stopped me or wanting wanting to to kind of get that mileage up so I definitely increase in number of hours Hispanic the cross train. I mean I cycled tune from every work every day. So I think that counts towards it but generally the the quality and the length of our heavy sessions are the bulk of my all my training which I thank as a worth where I improved an even comparing the stations between London and Valencia build ups. We may be added more rats bridges recovery times to help push and make it feel a bit harder and then generally the overall mileage roughly the same like Jeremie. My made like two weeks. In the whole Mike Optima seventy miles and then we start to taper but it's really kinda focusing on that long sessions Sion's and having the high quality with it. I think I put more quality in it this time Ryan than a half compared to my London belt definitely compared to my Berlin build and specifically what does high quality high quality look like thought just going faster over shorter recovery. Yes so you know when you do a section and you think okay thinking about that session the new going. I know it's coming and it might be the following night and you particularly when you're focused on gull you often be thinking about. That's a big section. It's coming up I want to concentrate on. I want to deliver on it. Yeah she kind of invest a lot of emotional physical effort into completion of that work. I then you do that work at and you walk away thinking my stare nailed it. Yeah you we know. What was some of those workers for you so a typical track Might be something along the lines of by twelve. Okay and I'm we might start the recovery footsie seventy five seconds and then drop it time for the first half and then dropped down the second half to like sixty five seconds seconds for doing longer intervals out on the road. We might do like surgery by five K.. And all Two Minute Chalk DOC and so it's again keeping keeping that recovery for the longer intervals. Were still moving rather than stationary. Recovery's I think as well just having since London. The team that I trained with now is more focused on the same goals. So we're all all building towards Valencia. Together I'm more consistency. In the people restraining with am to kind of unhappy people try to push from behind or from in front Ron I think is is really helpful and I would always encourage people to trade who not only just to make it more fun but to push you think the combination of both I mean they're on People are busy or I'm going away or whatever but I think January with people I think it really. It really does help. Make a difference and having the support from I worked for LAS DOS management. Having support from them to have flexibility in my working hours to make sure I can get enough recovery time in as I think key is well like I mean athletes. They have more time to get that recovery. In on you're working on training that can be difficult Helps the my work understand With people who are like minded driven vehicle orientated so the they get what it takes aches to to put into your goals to give me that flexibility so I can balance both my career. I'm running and by having able to sleep for an extra half hour. Whatever a night I think also just really helps you then perform your best the next day? Rather than having to get a mega early to equestrian in the morning and then I'm up early especially on nights where we tend to keep her hard as hard so after track on Tuesday August. Jen some Oklaho- late so then have enough flexibility to be go to sleep a little bit more next morning as is really really helpful to then help him perform two or three days later when my neck session and had is it make you feel. He'll cut of looking at global marathoning at the moment and what does that mean feel aspirations for next six-year. Yeah I'm excited. I mean I'm nervous. Do like I did not think that I would run as as quick as to twenty seven so I really really hope that I can go out next year in improve fat or at least hit that same time. And and we've I like I'll be working towards London amp to try. I do that this time. Taking part with the hopefully the other elite women because last year I was on the masses and that will be. I mean a huge interesting for me because I've never been in a a marathon. That's a female only only race. Am I mean. That's really exciting. But of course it's a little bit Norfolk he do. And so that will be the next goal but at the moment and just take my recovery really seriously after Marsden always take two to three weeks off. I think it's really good to physically mentally reset and I'll sit down with Phil. We'll go through my goals for for next year and I mean I've got few. I definitely finally want to kind of target London and see if I can make make sure going fair for the Olympics NBA guessing that London so each year we each Olympic Cycle. We get pretty excited about the London marathon because it's often the race that can define whether somebody gets to go to the fans. This is going to be a high level of interest with fool British women. I am this year running the four four of the fastest times in history. Yeah over the distance and so assuming everybody holds themselves together for neck race sir. You're going to have to run pretty quick to make that team so it's going to make for a really exciting Qualifier yet and we. I mean we don't know if they're gonNA pre select tiny one or not yet me no line expect expect that would be me being the fourth fastest and that kind of play out whether they take however for many people from the from the London math next year. Who knows but yet I mean I'm going to have to work hard to knock off some more time and so two right go ahead of you ahead of me as am just control Perje onto twenty five? I think they're pretty close folks and then Steph twelve so your role within couple minutes of each other at London is very different. You know it's very different particularly from a female runners perspective and Liangello perspective. One of the things you get used to doing is running a competitive suv race with not many people around you exactly. I remember passing the elite runners last year when they were going towards the finishing we were going. I am And they were all spread out and very much on their own. And I've had that experience yet am running in the masses for the for the math that I've done John Valencia was was a very flat courses. Bail conditions were perfect on the day. So hopefully they'll won't be as hot as it was a couple of years ago in London. Anything you think you you need to do you know anything else you might change from. You know the kind of formula that you started to put together in the last few years that you know is work for you. Got Anything else that you think A. K.. I'm willing to try this or you're going to stick with as as you currently no. I think we're going to mainly stick with the format that we have. I mean I would love to increase my mileage even out of it slightly but I don't know if that is going to work for me based on Nichols I've had in. The Pasta will will see Jenner the format stay the same. I'd like to add in more of our strength and conditioning routine and audience. Mike parametric stuff. But I don't think we're GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA make any Few keys actions that my coach told me about it but I missed in the build up to the Lancia so he'll probably tell them how to save for US at some point. Yep He's not disclosed yet his legacy any join my recovery time and so. I'm sure you'll have a few sessions. He's GonNa Change or or at and he's gone. Mind that we can build on from for. Molly goes into Valencia but I also really love to get. My halftime died was a big goal for me. Iran seventy to fifty seven in Oxford rich and it was pretty horrible day and but running Sub To seventy four half's backed back at. Valencia has really really give me an edge to to do a good half and there. I mean there's some over the springtime in the build-up Decide which one I I think will work. Best with my training. Plan was exciting exciting. This is exciting time. She gets to all the ponding and and his perfect the thematic being on the first December. Because now I've got a few weeks off to catch all the people for Christmas and and on Spec into it on twenty twenty yet carefree. Because you know it's game changing. I mean this year has already been a game changer of the year for you and you know next next year could continue could continue to be getting that consistency is so important. Yeah and I think that's had this past year or so is just have consistency instructor. I know everyone says it but consistency really Sochi. Absolutely I've got to ask you. I'M GONNA ask you a couple of other. The things one one intrigues me. But I know very little about it and again. It's not meant to be a question that loaded with anything other than your person. The Knicks experienced. But we've seen this year and I'm not sure fully. I know the answer we've seen this year. That particular brand of shoes shoe has kind of dominated the market and I think but I'm not one hundred percent certain that you were in them in Valencia. Is that right yes. I know what you're meeting yes I wa- swearing the Aso's like about eighty percent exactly right of seen so many photos of pretty much. Every elite event have missed them. It's like okay here. We go to put yourself in that position. Everyone's kind of getting the hands on on the shoes. Like what's your take on own them. Did you wear them before like so. I wore the four percent London. Okay and in all honesty for me. I didn't think that sorry I mentioned the name. I thank between 'em the fours and the next I'd folks there was no. It's not like I put on one versus the other and thought these are amazing using actually thought Justice and I have I've just always I've worn them for the last two hours into it's just be natural for me to go with it and it's the height and my boyfriend jazzing this the other night. He was like well. If I gave you another pair of shoes and ask you to run and you got minute headstart like would you take it and uh-huh and I would be very open to to running and other types of shoes. I just wear them because they're comfortable and they work for me and I'm I guess when you're seeing everyone else wear them and I guess it kind of you want to know what the bosses all by it but I think if I was in another type of shoe I haven't tried enough to know but I'm sure confident by V day question for you. I've never asked anyone this tool but I I don't know put on the spot because I don't know how I would feel and I don't know I haven't even ask Liz my wife this question. Either I don't know why respond to be. I'M GONNA ask into a later. So do you have any current kind of kit suppliers or sponsors ring like that. I'm sorry I don't know that no I don't took so let's say I come mm to you right and I'm not Nike. Yep I'm someone else and I say I see you've just run to twenty seven. We love the to run in cashews. We'll give you you know this this kit and the shoes and not these ones. Yep I would definitely try them. I mean you can't turn anything done until you've tried them if they don't work for me 'cause he feel uncomfortable or causing me Nichols or whatever then. You can't run in them. If they were comfortable on feel the felt good that I would definitely go for it produced and still. Yeah if you're producing the goods still then then I definitely would go for it for me. It's all about comfort shoe and I haven't tried enough shoes in all honesty to it to be able to compare about because I put them on in the NFL comfortable and and they feel good. When I run so I've I've just gone with it but that's never trying? Yeah you sound like the kind of person I could give flip flops to need still just put this on and ran to twenty-seven and the next year in flip flops. She's just went to twenty five. And one final question Steph. We ask everybody this. If you would not gonNA run a marathon or two next year he said with hurtful kind of thing is cross and instead you would just gonNa run one mile with six months amazing training as false as you possibly can fast. You'RE GONNA run that mile six months that lyle and an an anti shoes slippers. I'll say I'll say four thirty six rift. Yes yeah great you up with the likes of former London Marathon winner Joyce Smith my own wife. Liz Yelling at four fourth full Terry Moody American Ramaphosa. Five he go Benita Willis. Have you ever heard of Benita full machine cargo marathon in To twenty four you just ahead of her just ahead of Lilli. Partridge for thirty nine. You're in amongst it Dennis. Dennis thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your brake before Christmas. A Super Christmas and we look forward to seeing how you you hit the roads in twenty twenty. Yeah thanks for having me Americans too. We hope you enjoyed Martinsburg interview with Steph and all set for a fabulous start to the two thousand twenty Williams. He's yelling and that was married from talk Uh Yeah.

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Messi to MLS? Why now NOW?! Plus, Pulisic/Adams vs. Davies/David ... Who you got?

"You're listening to stress I, driven by continental you feel that. I feel a lot better. Bob extratime me see. How I find out what's going on in the MLS maybe this podcast is influenced me a little bit as well loss. Loss everybody up here. Every single day goes into the office into the laboratory. To try to cook up some great stuff for you guys. Here from New York New York, you are listening to extra time driven by continental from finally Brooklyn, in my apartment I we with my partners in Soccer David Goss David? Goss. I said same again. Doyle. Failing God did you run? I. Don't know why did that I didn't even hear it. You're staring at your little box and I just said your name twice and actually doyle was kind of blurry. So maybe It's kind of the same silhouette and it's the second shot. Joe Now it's very similar. So we fire now I if I'm well rested though like In this this meeting for two hours waiting to do this show and schedule and you come in and you're going to try and throw a flaming here I bat brown. I don't I don't. I'm not going to use the term I WANNA use with that because I think is inappropriate but it was only about an hour after we were supposed to start so not to. Away I, understand you're tired this morning. You're a little grumpy Dave. You stayed up past midnight. You'd Watch Phil Dallas I did not make it that far personally I did on the whole time and the whole time I was like I'm not GonNa Watch this I'm not GonNa stay up and watch this, and then by the time I, got the seventy fifth and I was like this one hundred percent get end zero zero now. Now I'm going to stay for the rest of it and I was pretty pissed off because Santiago Mascara, and that almost went out for throwing and I was like if I'm here you should be awaken here for this. I hate you right now geography scare I knew I couldn't turn that game on by the way those you didn't watch this thing eight thirty PM start time eastern time. Midnight. Seven minutes after midnight. This thing actually went I knew if I turned it on I, wouldn't turn it off. So I, will self care I did not turn it on. Anybody else while you watch Kaelin your your west coast. You don't me more right I know that time. What's the latest kickoff we've had so far 'cause I I feel like we had a view in. In the muscles back tournament too I think this was the latest I. Think this was like twelve o eight am east coast time I'm pretty sure this was latest in it was like who's pretty obvious Once they got two and a half hours into the rain delay that they were GonNa play this come hell or high water. I'm just that we didn't have a post game show. I would Somewhere. Chris Carriage started twitching. I watched the first fifty, five minutes it'd be. To Be Fair the first twenty minutes of the game were pretty great both getting after it in wants Dallas missed a couple chances. Nashville just got a lot more comfortable in I mean it's bunker the they played deep in. Thanks before and Dallas right now are really struggling with any of their with any of their up. So what Dallas was good at last year was shuttling the ball from the back the front. They had very clear patterns of play and very clear responsibilities and they executed that. Well, they weren't obviously they weren't as good in the final third, which is not unusual for young teams or teams that are coached by young managers they are still. Very, poor in the final third in terms of coordinated off the ball movement So they're not creating any danger hardly any danger. But what was striking last night was I didn't actually have much luck. Even advancing to the final third in the first place you know Santiago Santos and Brian Costa are playing is kind of. Santos is a true number six and a Costa supposed to be the number eight, and there's an overlap of where these guys want to get the ball and neither is really great at driving the game forward with the ball on their foot or even really progressive passing. So they weren't able to sort of break. Nashville defensive shape into credit. Their defensive shape is just like very sounded very basic and everybody's body in and you have DAX McCarty and Anabol- Godollo very good players sitting in front of that defense. They're like, okay. We know you'RE GONNA turn the ball over so we're just going to counterattack you win a national generated twenty one shots just playing off of Dallas's mistakes if they're better finishing neither directions good of ended differently. was definitely a better game than Wednesday. So gear ending forward for the other teams. You'd hope to see over the course of this week into the next week that that same thing Yao's which is more aggressive play a more open game as you said. So at least we have that going for. US although we didn't have. We of Nashville in people out there are GonNa be like Oh my God Nashville gets four points in two games a Dallas. When we spend Buri. Minutes document how dialysis shape is crap and they can't push the ball four and we know you're in love with Dallas. Paxton palm going Reggie. Cannon. We'll get to Reggie and everything that in a second but let's refocus to Nashville. Exactly who we thought they'd be. At this point if they do it well, then there are competitive team in MLS, they cannot score. They have no influence top. Balji had chances in this game. But shown I think his limitations in what he's willing to do with the ball. He's quick to shoot rather than try and take anyone on to get into a better position. How Muktar was a little bit better you can see at times if he picks up the ball a little deeper, he can turn off as a defensive midfielder charge at a backline force them to make a decision but there was no end product and that and otherwise doyle said to good defensive midfielders a pretty solid at center. Who can both S S A thing? In Kadoorie can both pass. So they do get quickly get out onto the break. No, and there was a few opportunities Dax had one that put just over bodies ad from across Mukhtar had a chance off across from also Johnson got his first ever start So they're solid defensively and they don't have a ton of ways to create goals. They need teams to come forward on them to allow them into transition but if they are solid defensively in that means legitimately getting shut outs than there every but the thing the caveat here is like this, it's march. It's march in the MLS season right now and every March we see some team get out to a hot start by playing sit encounter usually it's the impact, right? Usually the impact. Of their first six games enrolling while his teams. Awesome. Of the differences that had Yati. yes. That's the difference. But this you know the question, the question is GonNa be for Nashville is do they eventually? Find someone who starts putting those chances away. I mean Alan. Wilson. On ice pick up but it's not going to be him they I think they do probably need a a top tier number nine. They've been winked Maxxie Romero maybe that'll happen And the other thing with Nashville though is maybe they can actually do this better than most teams do because they have Walker Zimmerman Walkers of best eleven caliber centreback in his prime. So even when teams are able to get through that midfield, he's putting out fires and then they've been really good. Dave Romney was you know? Kind of maligned for that Galaxy team the past couple of years. But so far in twenty twenty, he's into really good next Zimmerman. So there's just there's a strength up the spine of this team, and if they get guys who are opportunistic it wouldn't shock me at all if they were Not, a top team, but certainly a spoiler in the Eastern Conference and there's a Chad Marshall Theorem a great centreback makes an okay centreback better next to them and like we've seen it in Columbus I, think if you times you've had good centrebacks and then Josh Williams has got a ton of minutes at everyone's like just Williams. A really good player in this league in it's like agreed but also you're playing next to a great centreback. Your entire team becomes better life becomes so much easier and I think that's what you're seeing. Whether it was a good centreback another side I just WanNa throw this out there Matt Hedges I. Remember He was drafted I, remember covering him. He was the George John Replacement Way back in the day for FC Dallas two, hundred, forty, seven regular season games for him in this match against national that ties Jason Kreis for the all time regular season record in Dallas sisters. That's pretty cool. Vermont hedges a one club Man Image League Soccer Franken Hara plan the Tan I give. A Quick Matt. Hedges Shout, which is obviously I go down two thousand DGA Cup every year and he comes out every single tournament. He knows the kids on the youth teams and they know him and he comes and watches the Games when he doesn't have to I don't think any other first team player comes and he's part of that entire club top to bottom and he's one of the best people in mls I wants Chapman that was a good that was decided like. Played Club football with that Ray, Gallison Perry kitchen same club team in. In Indianapolis. War will be. Cut City Kaelin you've been sitting back and he's been waiting for that waiting for. The right in that. Regard played the tenderness game. That's not what I expected him to play when he got the Dallas but I will see what would she decides going forward Paxton. Comical again they look best when he's there but thirty degrees busker Kinda made the allusion to this think it sounds like it's probably true easy to come off the bench coming out early that sounds like Maybe a minute restriction and maybe that means that they're trying to keep him healthy keep him goods. We can make a move the summer tvd on that one we'll talk about unders reporte more. If you have thoughts FC Dallas fans how they should use him. Let us know on that one but I did get the bobby warshaw scouting in the group chat. The other night and We'll share that here. When he it's a little bit closer to playing for FC Dallas this I want to talk about it's important. They did not play the national anthem this game they were going to with the players in the locker room, and then because of the weather delays in the lightning banded up being so late that from. Just like a noise standpoint in Frisco, they weren't gonNA play anyway but you've probably seen on your social channels whether it's instagram or twitter the Hashtag we kneel together. That's players throughout major league soccer going on a border reggie cannon, and again you know we're extra time stands black lives matter mls black we stand with Reggie his words, his actions everything so commendable. But he got death threats for it and there was a statement from the beer. Guardians Joe WanNA point out and have everybody go check out if they haven't already about their support for Reggie, I, WanNa bod them the supporters Vesey dials for their. Directness but say in putting out and saying that there's also some statements you can read from mls in the Hans NFC DALLAS But now reggie cannons got transferred rumors in Tom Bogart's out here doing work as he has been doing recently same Barnsley from the championship involved Also, there was some tweets and I'm not gonNA. Say these are like you know this is a gospel here at Lewis dollar own I like I could make twitter account if I really want to. Think he's doing that this is an FC Dallas Fan who was at the game said, Reggie came over to us the hall of fame on the way out and all but confirmed his exit from Dallas one of our own Hashtag dowse till I die Oh and as far as his destination says, Louis Dollar who as far as we know as a real person. For the purpose of this conversation, Reggie was laughing with us some people around joked about learning French so Yeah. He laughed when they joked about learning French I don't know what that means. I do know the time bogert. So the Barnsley's end forum. What are we dollar? Also nobody I know what it means. It means that there's a French club in for for Reggie? Well. Yeah. But it's like a guy in the hall of fame who's tweeting afterwards and they're making jokes about French and Reggie's laughing. It's not exactly like Reggie is sitting here saying, Hey, lagoon where I'm going you know but we can bring it is we're smaller sign also reporting you going to give me your grill so. If I put out in the world maybe it'll be true. It's not Guy Lewis dollar side I cleaned the grill last night you can. You can come over and social distance grill with me but you cannot have the grill already Sign reported. That's all I'm saying let's. Talk Real quick about Barnsley is I. I don't watch a lot of championship football but a lot of people do talk to me over the past few days. Is this rumor has sort of gotten a it's not even rumored to report. Now has gotten out there artfully there a small team, but they're trying to be what Brentford were this year analytics heavy scouting the world for younger players trying to find guys that they can sell on at a profit in the idea with Reggie cannon is. That, they can get him on a good deal and then in eighteen months or twenty four months that get flipped him eight figures to. A primarily team So that's the Barnsley one for for the French one You know I think I would pay a lot of attention to that. If I was in FC Dallas Fan you know that if buzzes putting out at third degree that there's something to it, we talk a lot about the as far as sort of. Development of American players and also as a selling league potentially. But if you look at in the sales that come out of there. Mary League to. I mean it is. It is nuts to upper level, just the PSG from within the League. I mean, the amount of money flying around is pretty significant Jalen if you were Reggie and if I was by the way, if I was Reggie, I will be like, let's do this US move this summer. Let's do it right now and anybody. would. You rather go to a crappy team in the cloudy English Midland's or would you rather go to the Mediterranean coast in Trenton me to France Baby? I'm going to France if I'm ready but I'm moving, it's time he told us on this show like what was it maybe even less than six months ago is why he resigned. Yeah. This was all setup for this moment to make this move and that was a discussion with Dallas doing. What would you do if you're reggie cannon? What would you be thinking about? Why I think you know I thought it was actually surprising that he was so honest about it when he came on our show and said that yet that was part of resigning was kind of with the promise that this is going to happen at some point. Now he said he didn't know how the you know the pandemic would affect. Beings, and whether we would be able to restart a molested because this was when he was I think you said he was taking us all his garage door at this point of is. Under the direction of A. Berhalter by the which I thought was awesome awesome. But but I think this is good for Reggie and good for Dallas because. Look there has been a couple times where guys left either too early or a little bit too late, and they never really got that opportunity to to sell a player on and for that Kademi all those guys that are continuing to come through whether it's Pakistan or whether it's happy or any of these other young players that are on kill. Sad your boy. Happy. Know Edwin Syria come on. US. Outside when Syria. I mean. With, that academy I think they got to sell you know we see the same conversation around Brennan Aaronson Mark Mckenzie in Philadelphia and just the eagerness to try and move these guys on Reggie I. think sort of Said like, Hey, I want I want to be that example so I, think that's something that. would be having now as far as where goes. I don't think the Barnes move would be a problem although you know moving the weather and all that but I think he would do well in the championship and I think that if you do well in that champion in the championship. mean the primarily is right there and if you have, yeah, you can do that from league on maybe that has. Maybe. A I don't know maybe it's a little different style of play and more clubs from all over going to be seeing you play at that top tier play. But I I think I don't know it depends on the glove and who's coming in with the money and who who wants you the most at some point. GotTa do it I mean I, think. Of question marks about some of the culture side and part of that is just because we haven't seen a ton of Americans go there. You know we know that you can walk the middle speak English and understand what's going on around you pretty quickly. But speaking French is a different story and not everybody's going to be Michael Bradley and learn every language every club that they go to I'll. Rewrite it would be ready. I. Would say that he's got that like even when you talk to him like he's he sounds like Tyler Adams he sounds like sounds like these guys that are Mazer focus. Yeah he's dialed in. So I think you get as far as did that's a big part of the adjustment going abroad is is Kenya Handle and Yet and I went on trial and Dole. Jim have gone over to Europe as a young player and I just remember being. Stuck in a small small town by yourself even just on trial for a couple of weeks in behind men this is this is different. This is tough. So I think he he's ready for it and I think this is this is the right time. By the way also, you assume if you can do is progressing in the fifty s from burkhalter beginning some time with the national team with a squad full of players that are also highly rated at this point there's kind of a welling tied there maybe that helps them as well. I I would also say. I guess this is a weird thing to say because he's a fullback but we're in the time of Alphonso Davies where like Davies towns stands out as a game-breaker bridget cannons a player who's going to be better around better players I think he'll rise to the level of competition, but he's so clean on the ball. He's a connector. You see the way he tries to direct things with Dallas he wants to be in. A system that fits him around players that he can feed that feed him. So when I look at him going over, it's the fit within the group that I'm looking at not what's the highest level you can play at I? Think he can produce if he's in the right group where he has the pieces around him to play off early early betting right now reggie cannon, not really if more like wind moves the. Will he be success in what kind of success but what do you think? I. Think he'll I think he'll be a success. It young his his progress as a soccer player has been amazingly win here. If you think about, you know where he was regarded as a recruit for a college team that is one year at Ucla his first year analysts he didn't play his second year. He won the starting job struggle at the start of the season was very good at the end of the season his third year, he made it the national team and was one of the best right backs in the league's going big goals in the playoffs and You know looking the I mean if you think about how he played for the national team against Costa Rica, this was a Costa. Rican eighteen or eight minus team really back in January somebody on the US make a plight breakdown bunkered and Reggie was smart enough to figure out his game. IQ Is so high is able to figure out wins overlap in how to get into the like it was just it was a high Q. Soccer pipe and I think that you could take a guy like that. Who has that I q you could drop them almost any leak I don't think he is a star for by Munich Or. Champions League semi-finalists FOR RB Leipzig type of talent. But I do think like a below that I could see him ending up at like a Moenchengladbach or evolves spurred or something like that or like a team outside of the top six in England I think that is. That is like a very realistic ceiling Karachaganak maybe a little higher level. Those teams are talking about I don't disagree with you but I think comp is a career like Toronto where like you are first on the team sheet is not gonNA. Wow you. As you said, and I don't think he makes it to that High Champions League level but I think he's a solid European starter year-in-year-out. He's in the pool at right back on the depth chart high up the depth chart for ten years. And he's a player that doesn't lose games doesn't make mistakes and I think he's a guy who if he gets to the right spot, he's a guy that like clubs and fans will fall in love with I. Dream I dream of Toronto's coming out of the. Academy system into asking I just my dream like how many run can we make like? Let's make all of the Toronto's. Let's make A. Big One day in for the national team, you know, we really need him to develop MBA starter because I think it changes the way the the rest of the team can function and we've talked so much about Tyler Adams where he can fit. But if you have reggie cannon there at right back that allows you to do a lot of different things with with Adams. I mean, it's like. Yes. We're spoiled a little bit right now is nationally fans but like think about Canadian national events, I'm watching not Byron Barcelona game and you know an Alfonzo gets that isolation against tomato unlike Mike will he is he going to do this man and he just like roasted on spits for the better part of thirty five seconds? Funds, Davies. We've just raved about him on the show over and over and over and over, and we'll do it again I'm killing when you watch this game when you think about the idea of a Canadian international being maybe the top left back in the world one of the best left-back in the world period if not be best. It's honest. It's Kinda on spiring. It's incredible. I. Mean Dave. You in DC for that opener for Audi field and we saw that incredible goal and we were both just Kinda. We're behind the goal when it happened when scored like Oh my God. Did we actually see that happen talking about leaner progression I. Mean That's how funds Davies except it's on steroids like you know the curve is straight up doing when you watch this game, what what emotions go through what thoughts go through how much jealousy do you have for Canada? I'm happy for Canada. I don't know I mean I think. Yeah. I don't know do I. Wish he was playing the national team absolutely but I mean it's just it's just amazing to see and I reflected remember back to texting Patrice Burn. A while ago when he was just starting to get minutes in mls and had some really a bright moments where I was like, hey, how good could this guy be and patrice like dude he's for real and like. Every time I feel like you just continued to defy expectations as. From, one appearance to the next and in-in-in this play. I mean. The confidence that he has now where he's just he's just wearing a guy up and then you know at each step, you're thinking that he's you kind of get that feeling as a young player especially sometimes things are a little bit rushed and when you're moving at a fast base that's even harder sometimes where you just you're just happy beat the guy but then he just kind of takes that extra momento pause and then just kind of glides by the next and then you think he's going to cross a just has that extra bit of calmness to his game to which is rare to see for such a young player number one and then. Someone who's also moving that at that type of speed and a and against clubs like Barcelona and those player. So yeah. He he just has that that confidence going and then when you when you put it into a little bit of quality, I think even the mental piece of it where he's a young guy and he fully is enjoying himself whether on Tiktok or or on the pitch but he's also i. don't know he's confident and he- He kinda knows who he is So I think it's it's been amazing to see and then the crazy part I mean on I talk about it it's site where does he go from here? Is Your. Already doing this. At at at. One of the biggest clubs in the world, and you could go on and stay Byron Win. Champions League for the next ten years But. Then also you're like city come get them. Does Barcelona does Madrid like it it's it's incredible to think that some buddy from the whitecaps academy and you know who had some great moments in mls and but is now doing it at this level. So quick. So. Can I just ask? Tyler Adams goes to Leipzig in place the national team and he's a Centerman mls and then he plays I write back and everyone. freaks out but then Davies is a winger and MLS and then goes to buy Munich and now plays left back. And like we don't talk about it, and that's fine like he's the best left back in the world or one of the top five is the progression not for him to move back to outside mid like is this is position now. My brother literally texted me during that game after that moment and said, is Alphonso Davies Gareth Bale You know 'cause Gareth Bill was kind of like that. He started in the back and. Do, just fly just fly floor, get ahead of steam be people and and run pass on your better than most in the final third. So you have the space in time get it done as Alphonso He asked me that was like my God he might be I don't know. It's hard to grapple with it because he might be the best left back in the world and that happened in like a year. Yeah and the way the game is played now is. When they are less back. Or a winger. It's you know it funked look. We just saw him do that against Sloan is so. At at time, he's going to be able to do that. I think the difference between him and a guy like Bela's. Davies willing to to defend and I think. I mean. I think he he happy to track back. I think he enjoys like running people down He's not afraid to put an clearance so or you know dig of all out with his head in the box. I think he's got a he's got both sides to his game and when you're he the with the on the clubs that he's going to be playing at, they're going to have the ball, the whole game and the the issue though is that Canada will and he's been disastrous at left back for Canada and that's something that that Herdman is going to have to figure out because it was davies well as well as well as the right. fullback whose name on forgetting now for a guy. No. No. No it was. The Portuguese not cody Davies was just terrible in the biggest moments in that game and then against the US in the second leg of that nation's league game. Jordan. Morris, just ate him alive and so. Canada's got a ton of talent in Davies and obviously for buyer. Munich because they're having. So much of the ball against everyone the perfect at left back but for him to be. The best left back in the world hands down are non. He has to he hates it. He still has to work a lot on the defensive side of his game more than just tracking runners down but being aware of the shape of the game I do think given. Given how quickly he's figured out a lot about the position I think that aspect will come in time and I don't think there's a ceiling I don't. Think that that is interesting. Here is like. This is again some Kaylin. I disgust. Byron Munich One of the five biggest clubs in the world. They also don't sell guys. They WANNA keep like they sell guys absolutely When's the last time Byron? Munich lost a guy who they really really wanted to have. I like they didn't want to keep gross which was weird but there were okay to let him go to to rail Madrid and I can't. I can't remember before that. So it's already very interesting. Sort of framework and thinking about Alfons, Davies because especially with Marcello, getting older like there is no more obvious replacement for what that guy brought to rail Madrid for a decade than Alfonso Davies on the world market but the question is, is he actually on the market? Oh, and by the way if you WANNA tampering Marcello. The Magician on twitter given Affonso Davies profit like young buck you inspire me. You get fined for that NBA. That'd be fifty grand that'd be fifty, fifty, thousand dollars out of ourselves pockets. He would never ever notice it, but it would be fifty thousand dollars. I WANNA go real quick flashback. But actually before I go flashlight, you're going through Canada. Why does it hurt? I left wing then and he's the best left-back in the world. But like why can't things changing contact why you can't just say him John David are going to run people so you can but then you put Lucas Cavalier any and Kyle Laron and Jonathan historial like all of Canada's best talent is a sort of centered around that front line and the attacking midfielder and wings and like they don't they don't have another left-back really unless Sam Kubi is going to you know take a giant step or something like that or it might be forgetting. So out tomorrow at Farsi to assist in the CPO this weekend there you go David Cpl guy so. I mean like they have a need on the back line to get some talent there y'all talking to fail to jump up on a two foot table right back. So it does make sense to play him at left back because then you're able to get all these other talented attacker is on the field. But it hasn't. Honestly has worked for candidates so far with Davis at leftback. Here's a flashback twenty, eighteen, twenty, two, hundred, twenty, two dollars revealed right here on extra time live driven by continental. In case you forgot third I that one. Davies was number one their it was coming off the Gold Cup as the leading scorer of the tournament there and then second good Tyler Adams isn't a Champions League final with rebel Leipzig. RB LEIPZIG'S I don't want rebel in there although it's implied. Election Special. So we will We'll talk about that in a second Let's see who else was in that list and university was throwing. It was three you had he just made the big move in La Liga. CFC and why can't I think of his name writing on Harare John Hell. So. Yang Harare. Would have been number three that year but he got hurt. So he only played about fifteen hundred, nine, hundred minutes for NYC AFC. He just had a huge year with Granada in Liga in there have been rumors of Valencia. And then some some of the big clubs in Italy may be after him as well like the Milan club's not not you've but like Milan clubs and and the Rome clubs as well. Granada made Europe for the first time in like fifty five years or something like that. Yeah. He's awesome. Yup Yup Persson was fifth got so down to Brazil the boat Barco was six. Then Reggie Cannon was seven. So. It gets. Sadder you imply wasn't as bad as you imply Hartson next. During? He was like fifteen. It didn't work at an La for the but look what's he was in there we predicted leave. Your sensation getting so mad that people had Latif blessing over Andre Horta on that list. Burned Sam actually has an Andre Hort that debt to anyway we did not talk much about Tyler Adams and we'll get to the debate that I have planned here, which is Adams, Pulisic or Davies or Jonathan David over the next ten years but we kind of are so obsessed Davies, he's doing some special things that Canada will get first billing over to American central midfielder scoring a game winning goal against Madrid and a Champions League quarterfinal. I mean that is. At, is unbelievable. I turn to this game off for Adams came on and then my twitter blew up and I was like I'm a Moron Doing What at this moment meaning we keep waiting for tyler to have kind of consistent stretch injuries of really been a thorn in his side for the last year and a half or so. But to see him score the goal to see his emotion afterwards I mean, it makes you feel good as somebody. Visiting your case, Dave I think you saw him as a US L. Kid who was just like Brian his way up I remember the goal at Red Bull arena against. Chelsea I. Think it was Marino I mean there's all these sort of like signposts along the way. And now boom Jamesy quarterfinal medical madrid-vigo Sony. Game winner it's just amazing. Yeah. Guy Like that was always gonNa make it but it's just the pathway now is so much simpler and like we talked about Reggie and the laser focus of tyler signed as a pro at fifteen the first signing in their US L. teams history for New York Red Bulls Sue. Gets on the field professionally sixteen and seventeen in mls and to the point with Davies figured it out at right back where he'd never played before transition back in the center midfield played left back a little for the youth national teams just like get on the field and do whatever was necessary. And I think you see in his confidence in that Chelsea game in his debut. In. The Open Cup where he made deep run. With that team at seventeen and then going to Europe like the self-belief from there from him as always there. So he always thinks he'd he belongs on the field and he can compete with everyone and he just has to wait for everyone else to notice it and prove that it's true and he's done that consistently if he's healthy, he's a starter on this rb Leipzig team this is a legitimate Champions League semi finals. This is a team that has depth at every position and he's a starter on that team. When healthy we hope we see it. We. Hope we can see it for an extended amount of time but that alone is an accomplishment all-time for us players and he still has ten to fifteen years left in his career. So it was really cool to see and he's one of the best people in soccer. He's genuine. He's excited. He loves the game you know to watch them interact with fans at red bull arena. He was always I there and Caylin doesn't even want to hear it. Out because it's on that. But yeah, Tyler Adams everything you want from a person to a player he's everything you want for the national team. I think he might be the best prospect and future player for the national team voted allowed to say that. I like the moment as the ball's coming across and direct is the late run also to him to recognize space and get into it. But the way he positioned his body and the touch that he took in the way, he was able to get his head up, prepare himself for the shot like those are the like in that moment is like this guy he looks like any other world, player. That you would buy you're watching Byron or Madrid or whatever. It is like Oh defensive midfielder just. In the ninetieth minute set himself. Perfectly. was playing at right wing back in this one right because it was the the three three. Of Him as a cinema it all the time I know you wanna like an twist, my brain, the right back I know he was there that position. The position he was playing. He has split time and I. Think it's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting to see what comes of his career in terms of where he ends up playing because he wants to play Central Field you know as we said, we'd be thinks of Mrs Central midfielder. OR IN CHECKMARK On. But one of the. It goes back to the thing that you said like whatever the position happens to be whatever the coach needs. Tyler Adams is willing and able to do that at high level. And it's worth mentioning by the way but the assistance from. This come from Lino and Diligent. MLS almost. Nine on his Jersey Est.. The these moments are there big for the league they are to have guys like Davies. End. Angelino. In Tyler Adams not just contributing for. Champions League. But making a game winning plays it shows. The type of talent that's being groomed in this league the type of talent. You can find him asleep if you're willing to do some shopping and more and more teams are an is exciting it makes me. More excited to to watch the world's greatest competition. Debate and Kaylynn you seem bored with us right now an interface. I'm GonNa Start this with you i. hope you have some heat for this. We're Kayla's Dude I was doing the idiom. Not as long as not that long a month and a half, but it is tough. I'M NOT GONNA lie did have the caffeinate question. So, I'm watching they're thinking man Oh my God Affonso Davies like I'm so happy for Canada and just a little bit jealous but happier as you said that they have this happy to see the rivalry I think come back where it should be between these two nations cutting. It's GonNa pop these players but then I was like Dang Jonathan David just set a legal transfer record coming from did eighteen goals last year he has eleven goals in twelve games with Canada like that one two punch and then we've seen Christian. Pulisic. Really come into zone at Chelsea in the last. Six months or so when healthy and win Frank Lampard finally decided to put his best attacking player on the field. And then Tyler Adams goes in scores. A goal in the quarterfinal Champions League to push is club through to the semis, and I was like, okay to v two atoms and Pulisic or Davies David Buoy you taking over the next ten years who is going to have the better career both club international who is going to be more impactful and it's almost impossible and been bear picked it up, put the poll out, and of course, I think a lot of Americans voted in this Addison Pulisic have seven percentage of fifty seven percent to forty three percent, which is maybe a bigger gap than I would expect. What do you think you taken ten years from now? Bringing back and say these to these two. Had it better relatively speaking because they're all gonNa have a great. It would have been if it was one player it'd be Davies and pretty pretty easily I would take that take him. I mean, he's a sure thing as I mean. I'm already seeing and. So I would take him in in the one. But then when you start adding in to I think we could still see a lot more from Christian is there tyler is I think still really on the rise I think Christian is as well but we're seeing we've seen a lot more at least. I don't know at this at this stage the he's if the the question I also have is health a little bit and they're the only thing that was me for the American guys is both of those guys have dealt with nothing like super serious but consistently have had some issues here and there. So I'm probably still going to go with the American duo in tandem because I think they're still a a really high ceiling for Tyler Adams specifically I think he he's he's already doing fantastic but I think he will end up at a MAZING Seixas Champions League semi-final even at a bigger club and and I think Christian is set to I mean he has proven so many people wrong in the premiership already and I think he's still got more to come as well. So he's in a really spot as well with the manager and the way that that they're gonNA play for for years to come so. I'm probably going to take the Americans, but it's just hard for me in to pick against Davies because I feel like he is such is already such a short thing and going and already you know I think the best in his position for the world but Yeah I think John David is is He, we have seen players like him who have been successful in Europe I guess maybe not. I guess I'm still going to go with the Americans but it's it's hard for me to it's hard for me to pay before. Doyle your dave jump in here and Dave I know you're big on the Tyler Adams super high ceiling side. Let's just make sure we do give Jonathan David some real shine here. We've seen it in Concha Catholic. He is one of the best attacking. Saying. Say his actual name Brooklyn's own Jonathan. Thank you. Thank you happened in the rundown but but yes, Brooklyn zone in caps I don't think I put it in all caps that must you put him at the same? Do you put him at the same level as a Christian Pulisic he used gives going to Gordon years younger. He's three years younger going into league on he's replacing Victor. Ostermann. Who just went for seventy million to Napoli to a club that's fourth in emily gun and he's going to be the center forward number time whatever it is if he scored in half his games with get. Organic. I never remember which gentlemen again including in Europe. He was one of the better players in Europa League and that's playing as ten in Europe at eighteen or nineteen as a Canadian which just isn't really done. So yeah, I think Jonathan Daviss on that level. He's just a little bit younger than politic is so you haven't seen it in even then if let's say, he doesn't play Chelsea if he's the lockdown ten in center forward for a top eight team in a top four league like that for Canada's could be enough and puts you at the top of Concacaf alongside what else you have and that's Underselling him does he is he is going to be in my opinion he is going to be that. Leila's is a club, but says come to us for eighteen months. We're going to sell you to the highest bidder it might have been arsenal. How do you decide on wheel? You might already be at that Jalen. Arsenals Mata Top. Napoli. That's not knocking him I'm just saying that's the reality of. Just not really they're either right now but. Just. Real quick. So I will John David is a year and a half younger than Pulisic. Yet year and a half younger than Pulisic. Now, three years younger. Second of all, we don't know he's going to be attacked I. Think it's much more likely that he is going to be a center for references to. Second forward in a to forward lineup. If you WANNA do something like that, which Canada might end up doing but he's definitely not even though he played a a little bit there this past year he's definitely not get on the ball, pull the strings type of number ten. Anyone. I mean it's a fair. It's a fair point but I don't think you see a lot of guys like him playing as a number ten in. At the top levels of the modern game plan, Glamour's the nine plan with three with to wears on the sides of him that WanNa. Be Direct yet what he's so good at making decisions speed in the open field. And he draws. If he draws defenders who make the right decision, he'll make the run straight down the gun and he's very, very good in the eighteen as far as first time finishes. Quick. Turn Release Finding finding the bottom corners I think he's going to be a huge Blair and if you look at Lille like they think he's going, they've never spent this much money and they'd Nicholas Pepper they sold for an incredible amount to arsenal very, very small club in Europe like the last couple signings sales. For them to Napoli Osman and then you also have AC Milan forward and they might sell they just gonNA sell another to arsenal. There's there's something offender for like seventy million like this is going to go for sixty seventy million in a year and a half two years. If he stays healthy, ed we know all about highly rely highly rated attacking prospects going to Lille not staying healthy because I think prior to this, the record signing was Timothy Wia, they spent ten million dollars for and US Soccer Fan. Basically missed all of this past year with a couple of back to back hamstring injuries though. From that doesn't let's get back to you take David. This do because I'm taking David's I'm taking. Davies and it's not. It's not close. I just think that those two guys ceiling wise like follow. He's already pushing the ceiling to places that we couldn't imagine I think Dave is going to be there in a year and a half two years the where we're just like my God. I think. I if you like if you force me to make a choice, I'm going to take the two guys who are not injury prone. And that's Davies and David. But this all has to happen within the context of the larger. National Team Picture while candidate isn't a really good place I. Don't think there aren't as good place as as the like the US was able to play without Christian, realistic just drop Canada four one in what was a must win game for the Canadians back in. November. So it's it's a fun conversation I think anybody WHO's realistic looking at it would take the two guys who have not missed significant time. Due to injury but it's nice to see west. This amount of talent and caucus also depends on what your question is because if it's one does things for the national team than ever done before for candidate just qualifying for World Cup the US has to get to a semi-final to do something different which I think is a little bit top. So most likely in the next ten years David Davies will do things for Canada that are unprecedented that Adams and Pulisic will have trouble to do for the US also entertainment. Like if you're talking about I, Love Center mids, I love watching Tyler Adams play but Davies dribbling guys and Jonathan David scoring twenty five goals in a European season is probably a little more entertaining. Even if you're as nerd like about defensive midfielders as some of us can be. So I think that kind of answers your question and the biggest one is just injuries because on top of. It happening to Tyler and prolific I think there's probably an extensive like tyler plays at one hundred and fifty miles per hour, and if he has problems with his body, can he tell him that down to stay on the field and keep himself from being injured or does he come back from injuries play at that speed get himself hurt again and go back out. So it's only thing that he's going to have to learn as a pro. Is How to handle his body over the course of like if he's playing these clubs, you're talking two games a week the entire season you gotta fly back to the US playing big games, Central America, world, Cup, qualifying, whatever then you go back, you play champions of Game Midweek a cup semi-final, the next mid week and a big game on the weekend. It's going to be a lot for him to deal with and that's GonNa be something yesler. Wi's mouth is just. Coming now. The baby was crying and. I thought you know I will definitely on mutants. I will surely remember hit the unmoved by right and I did not remember oral Kenneth Row. One thing in here at the end because Brennan Aaronson is GonNa get sold to at Belgium few months I. Don't actually know that but I'm just saying and everyone's GonNa Freak out. And then we're GONNA come back around in four years and be like, wow, look at the progression of Jonathan David's career which followed victor awesome on who went to Belgium scored in Belgium then went to Lille then went to a champions League team and Jonathan is going to be playing there at that time and everyone's GonNa. Say you gotta be playing one of the top four leagues immediately the second you leave. MLS and I just would like us all to remember these conversations were having about the teams that run themselves well, and finding the right place and finding your feet and then progressing your career. We should probably talk about that when it comes back up as we are now for. It and we should talk about it when it comes to imports to MLS, because not everybody's going to be Joseph Martinez Miguel on in just come in and set the the League on fire from the start can ask this why doesn't seem just do it? We'll does Leila's saying basically all the time publicly to players to agents to other clubs around the world we are going to be a team that basically just buys promising eighteen to twenty one year olds try to give a year and a half and then sells them. Oh, by the way in doing that, we're also going to be pretty successful because these guys want our quality to incredibly most. And three know that they're going to have sort of the rain that they need to develop an expressly because Timothy Way wouldn't didn't break liles backed and that if you do that and mls, it will break your back. You can't. You can't mess with the the way we spend money still you can't miss like that on ten million dollar signings and then just but what if they're not how about this what they're not tim million dollar signs of taking down a level and we're saying be. Most promising players. In Costa Rica, we are going to get that what kind of doing what they're trying to do it. Guys that are signed for two three million dollars aren't as good as the guys that you can find in super draft here. So it's it's just a different sort of ball game with the amount of money that's being spent while push back a little bit like Andrei didn't break l., AFC's back and having Barco be a super human victory cigar didn't break. His back and brought frank to Boras did know for sure broke frank divorce but like it, they're the margins are a lot slimmer and I think that. We've seen a little bit of with Vancouver being willing to sell just about everybody which is great like be that club and hopefully it's what we're going to start to see. From L. AFC because you know there's going to be interest in Rossi. You know there's going to be interested at at West that and it seems like they've been proactive about going out and getting replacements for those guys and getting them integrated before those guys are even born and we haven't seen that type of strategy in regards to team building before them in mls, and then the other thing is okay if. Reggie can get sold for three million dollars in does well, in two years from now is sold for ten million dollars to primarily team. Maybe we'd be spader player. Brian Reynolds will get sold for five million instead of three. So you're creating a pipeline in you're creating that sort of like proven ability to prepare players for these big five leagues and that to me is the model that you should want is not what Leila's which. Is Buying externally producing and selling it on its your academy because there's untapped talent in this area that can be produced and sold over if you're running yourself the right way, and that is the market that MLS hasn't hit. That is more realistic to me and also something that hasn't happened yet. So like if MLS just gets into the pool with, we're going to buy young South Americans and sell them on. So is everyone else? Everyone in Portugal's doing that half of Italy's doing that all of Belgium's doing that like you're not the only ones in that game, even city football group just bought a Ugalde from Saprissa. You're not the only one in any of those games except here where you control your territory and where players WanNa play at home in after to a certain extent at some age. That's the opportunity that you that MLS needs to produce on that and the Reggie Cannon Model is bigger than Leo, which is the because they sent to registered in the same way you want them to say foreign players. Let's re sign this contract to sell you like let's that is the purpose of this entire thing and I think then you have an opportunity where West, mckinney doesn't leave before and he's a unique circumstance he lived in Germany was always go whatever. But those guys don't leave before they get an mls contract then you sell them on and then as doyle said, you start to create that pipeline. GOES THE LIKE MLS clubs should be happy and wanting to be in communicating that they are and then executing on it that are dream makers like, yeah come we will make the dream come true come to us if the right offer comes and by the way, let's all communicate and define what the right offer might be. So it's weird and we're. All. In Limbo when something comes in and then somebody gets hurt if you don't actually sell them, here's our offer. When it comes, you're going we'll give you the opportunity is coaches invested you this clubs invested in you I wanna see more of that in a less I'd also of the little messy but now we have to hit that eight to. Biron. There's mark. MARCELLINA youtube headline. Here it is. Emily Salsa twenty one suarez PK. Boost. Gets. Greece men. ETR Legend. Of. Legend apparently who storage Goff spoke to. Barcelona battle funds or Davies before Byron got him and Barcelona basically said, he is Canadian. No thanks that didn't work out too well for maybe you should change your your tune on that one but. We owe messy is kind of A. Crappy situation has ever been at Barcelona. Reportedly, is open to leaving is now the time if you're MLS, it's a weird time because the pandemic and everything else going on but you do have in twenty, twenty, three, a new TV deal that you'd like to be larger. Do you come in and just like they bro, the bag of cash on the table and say Leo how much of this you want and we'll give it to you like do you do everything to get Leo? MESSI and MLS. Now when you have an opportunity because maybe he doesn't WanNa, go elsewhere in Europe. I'm trying to think who could even begin conversation. and. They'll I mean the galaxy it'd probably be what the galaxy or. MIAMI. I mean a lot of these. Owners have you know none of them are poor? Taste. If. Money's the issue I don't think anybody who's GonNa be there might be some clubs it. It's like, okay. This isn't going to happen for us like we don't. We don't WanNa do it. It's not. Now Leo Messi Offense Lady Dot Com on will we be culturally how it messy in jarred PK insecure fit in Kansas City do there are some you know there are better top in Kansas City than you would expect. Mike one or two places have top there. All right. I'm just saying they. They could like take out because there's definitely red meat so he can get his Argentine grill go. That's true. For that I don't think there's any chance that Leo Massey's last game in Europe is going to be an eight to embarrassment. It might end up being his last game for Barcelona because key absolutely loathes the board and the Barcelona board spent three quarters of a billion dollars over the last five years for I think zero starters including eighty million. Dollars on. Frankie Diong who was a nice little player. But if you go watch that Alphonso Davies, clip watch how Zhang just like escorts Khimik. To the goal but he doesn't even like this is just such a basic play in couldn't make it but I think that if lio Messi goes anywhere, it's to the other Inter Inter Miami's probably Inter Milan. I think Syria is definitely the the likeliest landing spot get. Over the MLS no but to their point if it's ever going to happen. And like you're going to make waves with it, right? Because it goes another team in Europe is going to play there, and then they expectation is is going to go to China Middle East maybe Argentina probably not or MLS. If you're GONNA make waves, it's now which is it's unexpected. and. Yes. You do everything. You can to sign him and you get every eyeball in the world on MLS for whatever months you can. Do I. Think he's GonNa come no but now is your best opportunity that you've ever had and potentially your best chance for two more years to get him in the League as well as I think right now you just gotTa start picking the bones at. Barcelona. See what else you can end up within I. Don't know maybe Semaine, once common played for New York Red Bulls who knows but you only know morass doesn't even make sense for a club right now or MLS right now is league to make a move like this with what it would cost to to get this done. Yes, it has. It always it always makes sense to go her messy. For for anchor attorney as high right. Now. Oh, for sure. It hurts that there's no fans in the state can't sell out and you can't y you're still sell. Tickets in in Los Angeles, you could sell it. You can do that all across the league. You could sell a Billion Jersey I don't know what people are. GonNa still sell a billion jerseys. You're still going to get the views you're still going to get the advertisement money and as we say you're going into a TV deal all of that still make sense it sucks but. he's GonNa get older. We can't sign them at thirty three and four years. So you can only have one shot at it. If there's an opening you gotta try and talk to us, he can. You can dictate anything HE WANTS TO DEAL WILL MESIC Nobody can sit across from Leo Messi in soccer and say, actually we need you for four years and said a two. So Tell Leo Messi Buddy all the money in the world waiting for you in two years just wait until summer twenty, twenty two. Whatever it is at that time, you're coming to molest machine got a free will make it worth your while, and at that point we alert the broadcasters and in twenty twenty three, it's a bonanza and you're like, you know you put a vaccine closet or something you know what? I mean like. When we're back to normalcy. The big money is there for you in the US man come here. You have to do everything you can I mean like you just walked into David Beckham, Alexi? Lalas by with those guys one time did this is like a mini year process exceeded now seated now we we need Z. Lio Messi in this league at some point if it's not now I hope it's later but it's not what you think. Let's get into the weekend or the week that will be Out No, it's a weird time a major league soccer the game on Tuesday and Canada Toronto Vancouver. If you didn't do the news on how Canada's going to integrate back into phase one check in dot com, they're basically going round robin each other and just play north of the border and this is the first of those games Tuesday a PM Eastern Tier Senate candidate Mlive on ESPN plus in the US. than. We see Josie in IOC in altogether up top doyle do we get that? Is that something that Greg Vanney will give us or should he give us? I mean we got a ten minute taste of that in the The final group game turnoff. Yeah. Was a final group in up the the first thing that happened was it was like the Old Josie and Charlie Davies play with. Josie check to the ball. With two defenders on his back and I o made that straight run through the lines. Perfect timing almost resulted in a penalty kick. Josie has been clear throughout his. He prefers playing up top with a partner in a two hundred setup. They've won MLS. And for shield in multiple Canadian championships with Josie playing into forward setup. I you know. I didn't seem to have any problems with it when when he got up there but also Toronto have. Over the past couple of years really tried to become more before three teen they signed Tam a winger. A DP winger Pablo Piazzi they have multiple veterans like, Nick. Daily owns Endo who given them big minutes Richie, Lereah who might be their best right back and the best left back has also been really good on the wing for them. So there's a lot of moving pieces here but I think given the way the schedule has been compressed. Will see all of it. Wouldn't shock me at all at the end of this regular, very regular regular season coming up. The best look for Toronto is Josie. An I o up top in some sort of four two or three, five two. It's just going to be interesting who goes to the bench then because if PR healthy. Sarah can't probably be on the field because Puello on your right side if you're playing two forwards up top. Bradley and Delgado half to be together in midfield at this point. And so you gave a bunch of money though, sorry Oh, he's a big part of your team I think the person who has the least ego to be in the team canola NPR was good when healthy in the tournament they just played he's never been helping his career. He's never done it for a sustained amount of time and I agree with oil. What's awesome about this is going to have to play all of them in the end it might be canola who's playing the most minutes and Joe's he's coming in to play alongside him in games where they go to stop because of health history for those guys. But. If they're at their best in a big game, they'll be interesting to see if he can get himself on the field full side. Vancouver whitecaps got a little money to play with their. We talked to you about the volume bom. Move. So he's going to Russia and it looks like they'll get ano- depending on your mask somewhere between four hundred, thousand and GAM and maybe more tvd but haven't opened. The bank hoover whitecaps. We'll see what they do with it. Any summer months after Tuesday's match thing up Canada Toronto Vancouver we go to the New York Darby. We call him at the Hudson River Darby now have they have they allowed that is that Stars I'm concerned. Yes. Great Name for I. Think it's the perfect. Traffic. But it's more hyper genuine but. A home. It's a home game for both teams. The rebels, the nearest city of say. Yeah, that's the that's a new side of New York, their rebel arena in it's obviously the rebels home. So this is a booster place nearby red bull arena now. So if anyone needs to get hooked up, let me now. Imbecile has been plus turning mostly zone in Canada. Kaelin remove Maxima Morales from the blue side of New York. Does NYC AFC need a big season from the most. Say. Ring. I think. A ring has been win. They have been great when not even with Maxie. They've needed ring at times I think he has been maybe their most important player outside of Maxxie. Even the past connecting back to front winning balls and then also actually getting more involved in the attack, and especially if you don't have Maxxie or if you're gonNA, take him out of the equation I, think they've got nice peace in the middle of the midfield whether. It sands or parks and others but I think being as the one constant that I think takes them up to the next level I. Know They have a lot of pieces Janos in ever and shoddy and and all the rest. But I would say ring is probably after Max's either next most important player. So different peoples like the practical right vic. It's ever. It's ever like like rings great in Kaelin is right that he has to be really good and obviously this is maxi steam. But if you look at the difference between NYC last year and NYC AFC this year in terms of results, it's ever finishing like NYC AFC against Orlando City and against Philadelphia they had great chances ever didn't with them away. I think he will eventually find his form in front of the box, but they've like he's played seven or eight games this year he has failed to score in seven of them and if he had. Those chances away not even at the great rate that he did last year at like seventy, five percent of that. Right. Then we're not talking about NYC struggling with this adaptation to new coach in a new system. We're talking about how well it doesn't look quite as pretty as it did under domain, but they're still getting points may still have a lot of talent ever got gotta be something close to what he was last year or NYC crn decent amount I'm rooting for as Medina I'm just GonNa say that I want more Galanos from Hazel Medina who found himself buried on the bench I want him to succeed Zeus I need to see the best from you on the flip side. Dave I don't really know what I'm seeing right now from the Red Bulls in every time I get on rebel twitter their gnashing their teeth as well, which is basically just like transfer window normality like any time in and around a transfer window. Happy. We had a cameo in the bone around nickel which. Became crown either live performance exactly right around that Ah. What what's going on with the rebels would have they done in his transfer window what are they as a club where they headed? Should we be confused or is this just what it is? No it's a little confusing I mean it's a change of what they're doing one on the field and then to you brought in a new academy director and head of technical director. So they've changed a lot over the last six months and they've continued to move out these guys robe blessed. Now Be WPA who are central parts of their team they brought in to signings in Tetteh and year would. They feel like you're what does things that they don't have in midfield and ability to be a little bit more aggressive pressing when they do in those moments and then being able to transition that into possession they feel like he was under looked and you bring in a guy and well who was in England was watching these players specifically for a long time and look at what's happened in. Germany where Germany was producing the best players in the world, and now they're going to get young English players and bring them into teams because they feel like they're as close as you can be coming out of the academies at the technical level. So rebels feel he's a player for now is a guy that can compete for them in central midfield and bring something. They don't have John Davis and and Kosovars, next to each other I love Cassara she's a great possession player. He just doesn't have the ability to add up to temple if they need to Davis is the same next him. So now you bring in a new option in year what in a guy who you paid a little bit of. Money Four. But if he goes on the level, they think he can go on. Then you're gonNA make that money back in more in the future and probably have someone was legitimate part of your team for three or four years going into that and then on Saturday listen we just talked about a Manchester City are sorry nyc AFC and all the things they've done. These clubs have huge scouting networks tetteh in Red Bull Salzburg, he went out on loan but they get to see him up close including a Guy Jesse Marsch booze vouching for him and saying this is a guy who can compete at the MLS level so they bring him in and I don't think they have anyone in the attack. Can Be guys one V one and create chances out of nowhere Kaku can do it in the flow of play if it if it happens and Roy irs clean finisher and can be the guy every once in a while coming inside. But if they can bring something new, you've got a two players who changed the way you can play and I know Chris Armas as a lot of little things that he looks for. Any feels like both of these players can step in, which is I think he feels like they've transitioned to slow from winning the ball into the attack and these are two players who have high IQ's can do it quickly but can maybe make them more effective in possession should be fun on Thursday seven PM Eastern it is part of the. Predict six percent of my bet mgm this week, six games predict results. There's little props for each of them. In this match, it is the first goal score. Bucci guys take from this game. Win Lose draw. Kaelin. What do you got? River Darby. This for first goal win lose draw but you give me the first goal to I'm open to that if debutante. Not. In bed and GM. Book in my book. I'm going to go with NYC AFC I know neither team has has really showed their best but I thought I thought for a second things had begun to click in For NYC AFC and How I guess just how anemic that attack look for a red bull was was concerning for me, and then even the way that they can seated goals was sort of uncharacteristic where it was just either mistakes and in the back, and then a failure to kind of track they conceded off throw in conceded off. A lot of mistakes that you're not accustomed to seeing. So I think overall I'm GONNA have to give the edge to NYC, AFC? Just because the debutante stays got me sold now I'm on the bedroom even playing this year. But you know but just being on the bench just looking from afar that's going to get the boys gone up tempo just to go against on the other side just to get my you know probably more points they're gonNA go rebels I'll take them. I do think that we have a week of AVARY games coming out of we have no idea what I think it's going to be chaos. MLS, which I'm here for so I think team chaos is the ultimate victor and all of this, but I'll take NYC AFC as well. I actually thought they finished fairly strong in. ORLANDO. Found their feet a little bit and. With Red Bull starting Tarek is seems like there's more moving pieces than I expected coming into this season for them even in places where I didn't think it would happen. So NYC AFC probably at a higher level right now will give me the goal score scores. The first goal ever macgyver Jeff and I. Just said I, think the do it he adds you. It was perfect it perfect. I predict sex presented by 'em Jim Amazon.com. The MLS APP go get that going money to win as well through that seven thirty pm we have Columbus. GRASSI in Chicago fire on Thursday crewmates moves traded Axel Shubert for him. A Boy Tang also got great Lillard fritter Miami for a Super Trafficking Twenty, twenty one on the fire side. We didn't talk about this. They lost the starter I think last week the week before goalkeeper. Kenneth Braun home out for the season Bobby Shuttleworth is going to be in goal. says Raphael. Wicky for the fire seven thirty same time. ravs union. ESPN plus it must have undesired known. Best Eleven player out Carla. Hill. injured. Achilles. Tendon free to say well, frizzy Chiba basketball. Too Far sorry. He was gone to that was a late add though for. Counts, but it's a little. Hurley. Still Dwell. What's this mean to the ribs? A lot we saw them struggle even figuring out play out of back without a without him because his ability to drop deep get on the ball and sort of change the geometry of the game. You know change the shape of the opposing defense without that. New England I thought struggled doing the basic stuff that said, I do think they'll figure that out especially now that Matt Pulsa there because Matt polster was getting on the ball is very good distributor. So it means much more in terms of the attack they don't have playmaker they don't have playmaker without Carlos, he'll like Christiania said some good moments in mls yeah. Really good. First Year You know if he's on the run he he can be devastating in terms of finding the final ball. I like what I've seen from John Buchanan. But he's more of a wide guy does not gonNA come inside and dictate the game Gestapo. Bo is a classic second former not much of a playmaker at all. There is no replacing Carlos he'll like for like on that team I like maybe this is a chance for data for Grandes. But even like He. Like Diego forgiveness hasn't been close to that guy in the past three years. So it's it's tough in it's GONNA be a big test for that Rauscher's could be bruce arena wouldn't be surprising to me if they go a little bit direct. Yes Minnesota. It's all of them be more of a pressing team actually in in molasses back without Carlos. He'll do have the weapons to do that but it's a huge question for a team. That was a playoff team would've would've is our year for college by the way he was injured at the first because he had cleats that didn't fit him. And then it's just has not been a great year for him on the Union side. Forgive the mailbox hearing get Outta here. I've been like I saw I'm not as big up guys you are dave. But when I saw his name, I, thought it was like the weirdest thing ever Paxton aaronson Paxton with an e are we mixing together prospects like what is this strange alchemy of of US Soccer Development? But the Union signed a younger brother Brinson is beginning all the hype. What's this guy you gotta go to doyle because dial is going to give you a the The high level high mines. Mine's a little more water down if you want go main. I think toils one. Pack you asked me up. I think that at a similar age, he definitely finds more of the game and finds more of the ball than Brendan did for for those union. Academy teams. He's all over the ball, which is what you want to see that the issue with him is like he's so tiny he's grown with over the past year, but he's still about five foot one. Like he he looks like a child out there. So there there's still just huge questions about whether he can have the physical. Capabilities to be a professional player in terms of of doing all this stuff that you wanna see from the central midfielder he seems to happen. He is a true ten. He's so much fun to watch but I don't think Brennan Aronson is going to be a ten in his career at the highest level. So that comp it's yeah. He's going to be more fun to watch and Brennan Anson, which is saying a lot 'cause Aronson been pretty awesome at times throughout the last month and a half two months. But but physically, there's huge question marks if he can contend at the top level but you gotta give. Respect to fill because they're signing the next crop like they're not waiting for Mackenzie and Brennan Aaronson to go and fill their spots specifically, they've got Danny Flora's they've got Huckabee centreback prospect that they think replaced Mackenzie. They've got fullback prospects. Isa. Riaan as well as a wing back on the side. So they've got that next level of guys that they're ready to bring it. All right. Let's the nobody can get Outta here. We know you've taken a lot of your time it's been fun Monday or one zero. Six zero mls extra time soccer, dot com literally anything you want us to talk about you can send in if we're not talking about your team and you want us to like there's twenty six in the last one more common. So prompt us make us do it, hit us up we'll start or maybe end I should say with a very easy our special one close to our hearts from Carter Hastings based exclusively on the food in their cities which MLS clubs would make the playoffs slash winning company decided. that. We are going to the the conference finals. So we get four different cities that can talk to me. It doesn't have to be I. Don't think we can make. This is Moss's back rules basically. So it's just whatever you want whenever you want it just throw it all together. They when you've done a good bit of traveling in this league. Maybe, not in this latest era of expansion, but you have as A. As a capital J. journalist here at soccer. I would love for the last part of this to be and you have to do it on and MLS player per diem. Today that would have been the the clincher on this all you gotta do it within Tam you can trade for more game if you want to. That's your restriction where you going to and what's the number one food city in the molasses get our get our conference final started here man. Portland's pretty high would probably put Portland as number one I. Think Portland Scott like you got the high brow the very like you know you can go off into a top chefs cabin in the woods is GonNa, make you some type of bespoke mushroom. I was just thinking the mushroom that he gathered that morning on a walk with his long. Yeah. Border. Collie who wears a BANDANNA around its neck. I think Portland's probably I think just nationally if you were to talk till I have a friend the listens to the show shot frontier at the realist-. Yes. woo-hoo wrote who wrote a really good book earn the ICE. I think it's called earned the ice and he talks about Portland's food seen how it's kind of taken over and change the American culinary experience. So I probably I defer to him and say Portland Number One. I really like Houston. I think Houston. Like it has all the coolest all the best places that exist in Austin are also in Houston except there's you know just designing Austin's and early favorite to come from expansions. There was there was be some Austin slander there before you interrupted co and I felt I was ready to go but Yeah. Houston School Austin can. I just make make this point I don't even live in a particularly good food section of New York City. But I look out my window and I could see a German beer garden a Rahman shop as a Michelin Star one of the places considered one of the best Peruvian places in the entire United States of America a classic fifty. Year. Old New York City Italian joint. That's right. Next door to an Okinawan. Sushi. Joint this does Obama's is one of the only places in the city that does And I'm a block away from just like classic Astoria Greek. Food and a Michelin starred Mexican joint and like this tiny little Korean hole in the wall Deli. If you're doing best food city is New York City by a thousand miles the only way to do this. Equitably to be like, okay, the signature dish of each city we put up like a New, York slice vs Nashville hot chicken versus you know bossio mainland clam chowder versus Patine and all that like that's the proper way to do this I gotta disagree because when you go into the city, you might, you might get the signature dish. Let's say you there for forty eight hours David Lucinda Dave around the country how they're getting the signature debt. You'RE GONNA get the energy dish, but you're also going to have the two places that you like. So, and so my network told me or this is the spot that has like you're going to do both. So I don't want a hamstring, I don't WanNa make Kansas City, just a brisket city I don't WanNa make. Probably. Should because it probably pushes them higher up on probably that's fine. A that restrictions on what we're doing I will throw in their Toronto competes with New York in terms of international cuisine and quality of it and do and do some better like Carribean. Food Than City does way two, hundred percent west Indian food is better in Toronto than it is New York. Yeah. Facts. I would throw some non-jobs anymore I was gonNA say, come on down here come down here from down here. I don't I don't know disrespecting it, eat it all day and New York. But it is still better there and then I throw in Montreal which gets respect. But I don't respect Montreal staples because Montreal's staples are bad fake versions of New York staples and it makes me angry and disgusted and I would throw Atlanta in there because they have great local cuisine and international cuisine 'cause it's such diversity but you have that like southern food that they are the sita. So there you go caleb the West Coast from me negotiate denise or what now that you're back out in Berkeley I. CAN'T AFFORD IT doyle not everybody's taking like you bro. I'M GONNA. Take it landed right now because every time we've been to Atlanta in the last like three or four years, which is a lot. Every single time there is a meal that I like look across the table at either Dave or abner or somebody else say, Oh, my God this might be among the best meals in my life. Let us know what's the best food in the last we're going to get Outta here but you enjoy your week we'll be back on Thursday. More trance rumors more games review enjoyed everybody. 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God is Grey (Brenda Davies)

Exvangelical

1:03:49 hr | 1 year ago

God is Grey (Brenda Davies)

"Hello and welcome next juggle. I'm your host Blake chastain. I guess this week is Brenda Davies. Brenda is a youtuber and podcast. WHO has a youtube channel called? God is gray where she tackles. Lots of questions related to Christianity the end sexuality as well as a whole host of other issues her story is fascinating and the way in which she began to develop this in her life leading up to it and and all the experiences that that led her to doing this particular project in their particular medium that she has chosen which is primarily Youtube Sup- Youtube is very different and podcasting And of course it is just one of the most popular destinations on on the Internet. Is the number to you. Search engine behind Google itself and the number one estimation for video content on the web at least East within the Western world and we have a great discussion about her journey. As well as what it's like to operate in this sort of space and in many ways respond to a lot of the Evangelical content that is present on Youtube I do sound very old in this conversation. Especially when we go Into what it's like to make content for Youtube and Dan so yeah you'll hear some dated or wrong terminology for me and you know I'm just going to embrace it because I'm getting older and I don't. I don't know the lingo that the user using so yeah anyways of course you can always support support the show by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts. You can also let your friends and family know about it And please if you can donate to the Patriot patriotic dot com slash exponential pod. I'll have links in the show notes for all of Ah Brenda's locations online all the places you can follow her and her work and very big. Thank you to Jake Lewis for producing this episode of exponential. Thank you very much jake I do. You want to give everyone as I noticed that sort of content warning and a trigger warning around thirty minutes into the conversation she does discuss an assault. So please be aware of that and otherwise I hope you enjoy this conversation with Brendan Davies from God disclaimer. All right let's get into it. Everyone and welcome back to extend jackal my guest this week. Is The youtuber an podcast. Brenda Davies who podcasts. and has youtube channel by the name got his gray. Welcome to the show. Brenda hi thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on Our mutual friend. Jamie Lee finch. I introduced us and I'm really excited to learn a bit more about you and your work. So let's start where we're usually do in these conversations and just learn a little a little bit about your first introduction to religion and what's your sort of initial religious environment was like shore your We'll try to give you the most abridged version but basically also do you can also do. That's why we're here twenty hour. Yeah I always tell people that I sell to very neatly like in tune with the divine the Holy Spirit God Since I was very young and at that time I would call my family casual Catholics. which is like we went to the church? I mean Sundays were rare. It was just like holidays and then every once in a while if someone was feeling guilty. Maybe we'd show a church and Yeah very casual Catholics. And when I was twelve years old I was a huge nerd in high school. And I don't use that word in a derogatory way day eleven nerd. I was truly one and But none of the boys were interested in me. I was like having crushes no success so my a friend was like oh I go to this youth group and there's so many cute boys there and everyone's super nice and I was like that sounds great and side lied note. I totally love God to really intrigued by this whole concept of a youth group. Because I wasn't very engaged I was just by my bedside by myself praying tonight and my leader. My mentor in the spiritual world was my father and what he did. He'd learned from his Catholic upbringing so so at this point I show up at this Evangelical Church and a lot of the boys were cute as promised thank goodness and they had to be nice nice to you because of the basis of leg being at shirts. They're all coming up and saying hello and so it was really into immediately and I loved having a fresh crop of people that I could meet beats and the first thing that struck me was that I was encouraged that I had a destiny and and not only a destiny but I was capable of reading the Bible on my own and that the concept of God and all of these like really large ideas could be accessible to me in this space and we could ask the big questions and everything about that. I still hold dear. My heart is very beautiful and the things that I see. See as the very positive outcomes of that experience but paired with that they do a little bait and switch and be like oh by the way God cries when you masturbate. God cries if you have sex before marriage and I explain to people how I got duped into this so heavily really as I was five years old Prang at my bedside for wars to end and I had this you know really beautiful connection to the divine fine all on my own so when I was twelve years old very impressionable and someone just approached me and said that thing that you've connected with at your your bedside since you were a child cries if you use your sexuality in this way it broke my heart. A Tornado pieces. I was like. Oh my Gosh Josh. Thank you for telling me. I had no idea that this was so profoundly important. I will do anything. It takes to honor this entity that I love so oh I ended up spearheading and being so motivated by this. I organize chastity ceremony at my church when I was just fifteen years old. I got all of my girlfriends. And Mead's go to the Christian Bookstore and get our chastity rings and we do this whole little ceremony and I really lived like that and in this realm for I guess up until I was about twenty six twenty seven years old and the sounds somewhat similar to you. Some folks I knew I could. I grew I in in a small town on in Indiana and then moved to the Chicago suburbs. And that was when I I sort of knew Catholics Just because there weren't that it was a small town in there. There is only one small Catholic church in there were many Catholic families but then I plugged into a similar sort of youth group and there were Catholic. Kids there is such a to me such an interesting like vector for some people who may have just entirely missed evangelicalism entirely. They get routed. They get routed into through youth group. And then you have this extremely as this within within your youth group experience was this sort of formative thing was even when you're like twelve. You're getting these messages about your purity a- At this at this local church. Oh yeah absolutely and it was also I mean obviously fascinating as well because you're coming into puberty you just starting to shave your legs etcetera and you know the sex. Ed is so shining in this country and a sarcastic statement that I literally had sex ed at seventeen years old to pregnant girls in my class so that was also the only only space in my life that anyone was talking about sex so there was obviously just the adolescent fascination going on there as well and it felt very refreshing to feel like things were so open and looking back. It's so funny because it's so repressive when you actually deep deconstruct and break it down and figure out the PTSD of what you've been through with parody culture but in the moment it feels so freeing. Because you're you're like oh my gosh. I'm in a public space. I'm talking to adults openly about masturbation and purity and my worth as as a woman and you know it was really exhilarating to have those conversations in a public arena. was there any sort of disconnect between you and and and your your family in regards to this I mean you were. You were invited by a friend to go to this Evangelical Church and then all of a sudden. You're there and three years later later. You're leading this purity ceremony. I mean what was what was the reaction like Within within your family because it seems like you definitely even from what what you've told me so far you very religiously inclined and now it's just part of your nature so yeah. How do they respond to this? The sort of manifestation of that inclination I mean honestly. They were thrilled. They were like okay. Great we don't have to talk to you about sex. She's she's GonNa sign this contract. We don't have to worry about her she's not drinking. She's not doing drugs. She's not sticking out of the house tonight. Like I was in shock under the thumb of what I thought was God Really in the you know manifestation of these youth leaders these people that were around me and and also you know in so many ways it was bring out the best in me it was also bring out the worst in me I was. I was arguing with my biology teacher about evolution evolution. I made a paper mcshea project. Fifteen of a girl nine months pregnant holding a gun to rebellion called it abortion. So I was definitely you know very vocal about what I was learning in that space and becoming very legalistic but I was also really falling in love with God more than ever and feeling like more of a sense of purpose than ever and I did get to break this down with my mom later because how it all played out as they ended up following me into even dot com and we started attending church together and the ironic thing is. That's been such a huge journey for me and my dad for example because he tends to go legalistic and that's because does he was raised with a lot of fear is the way I see it. No offense to him whatsoever his his mother just really crammed in Hellfire and Brimstone since he was the young kid and that's what he imparted to me. So I think his journey and evangelicalism was very much so clinging onto those fear based ideas. Is this fundamentalist ideas for my mom. She was really drawn to the spirituality of it the prophecy the speaking in tongues sewing excetera Cetera and she was like more mystical with it so they both found their places in that space and since then the three of us of all been on journeys together both. It's like being in it and coming out of it. And so is this a more charismatic to nomination that you're in or like what what sort of denomination or was there any at this at this church that you started out at I mean. Isn't it. Funny how they all call it nondenominational. But it's definitely like this is a denomination it's not even Jello Christian church and you know. We had a bunch of like white boys with a couple of tattoos. It had greasy pass that they wanted to tell us about married to their wives. Having amazing sex like you know and like jars of clay and DC talk walk and you know that was the other thing coming out of Catholicism. I mean now I die in a Catholic Church. I'm like shut up with that Christian music. LemMe just sit down here Erin. Here's some angel voices singing and being this beautiful space but at the time as a teenager the VENDELA church was like Whoa. You guys are listening to rock music nick and your pastors. Have you know like so fun at the moment rain. Yeah that that veneer fun is is very very enticing. Exactly Yeah so you mentioned that they you're in this sort of space till you're twenty six. was that in reference to the really legalistic sort of purity culture steph or was it your entire experience and explore that a little bit. Yeah sure so so basically I never I would not say fell into legalism. Besides maybe the papers Michelle Project that I. I think that it was more. Uh I lean to the mystic side like my mom and I always felt like a lot of feelings about it and a lot of Holy Spirit revelation prophecy etcetera era. I loved that and I still hold dear to those memories but what happened is what I call my pendulum swing which I fear is everybody that goes through the deconstruction phase. This happens to them. I was attempting to save myself marriage. I made it till twenty two and and at that point I was just losing my mind I was just getting so horny. I could barely see straight and I started really really diving into the verses that I'd been given to promote saving sex for marriage and I was definitely trying to do a lot of justification but it really wasn't ernest. I was like okay. Why as is this really true? I need to know because my body is like overwhelmingly right now. All I could think about so I eventually Shirley was really open about it and talked to a lot of Christian friends. I talk soup lots of Christian friends who were like well. I had sex for marriage and I really regretted it like it would have been so much better and I'm like okay next because unlike you're just telling you that you got to have sex so that's not helping. And how do you even know you regret it. It's so much you already did it. You know I was just like I have a Sassy side. I'm like Jersey Philly girl I was just like nobis. Let's get down to it. Why am I doing this? S. and I had one friend that I thought was clinging onto virginity with me by the way. I don't really embrace the word virginity anymore. But for the sake of Evangelical Evangelical Conversation will keep it sure but she was like the last person I knew clinging to it and I called her and it was so funny because a heard voice immediately. I was like how you doing. She was like good. Ed and I immediately was like you lost virginity all my gosh. And she started laughing and she was like I know so. Sorry I couldn't take it anymore. So hung up with her and I was like Oh my gosh. I'm the last virgin standing like. I don't even know how you can do this so I ended up trying to give away my virginity and a one night stand because I didn't want it to be exaggerated or made to be two special. I didn't the guy lighting candles or thinking he was important. I just I just felt like an edge that I needed to scratch and I was like. I can't live like this anymore needed. Just get rid of this beyond with my life and then figure out where to go from. I'm here and that person that I subbed with for the very first time ended up finding out that he was my first sexual actual experience and really falling in love with me and really pursuing me so we ended up dating for two years but the entire time we were sexually actually active and I was going through a lot of the traumatic symptoms that religious people experience in sexuality like having slight panic attacks acts like getting really scared. Feeling like I'm definitely going to health by compartmentalizing. My sexuality and my spirituality because I'm terrified terrified that God hates me for having sex so it was really delightful. Just all persons should be enjoying their sex slave slave But you know still being a human being and falling back into it time and time again so finally my boyfriend and I look back at him with so so much kindness because he was twenty two friggin years old. I was twenty four and he was like let's get married. I can see this causes you so much pain and suffering. Will it help you for just married and I was like yeah like lease romantic proposal ever right so I I remember distinctly and I never want this to hurt him either but I just remember walking down the aisle and I just felt my spirit screaming like no. This isn't right like I knew I was doing this. I didn't know I was doing it for the wrong reasons. I thought I was atoning for my sin of sex. I thought I was fixing it as house like I've already messed up so much beyond repair. I will fix this by marrying the sexual partner that I'm with and I will stop sinning and that was why I got married and that day of marriage was a beautiful day but it was all wrong and I knew it so two years go by I and God bless him. He admitted that he had been cheating on me. The whole time and that was excruciating and my first major heartbreak AAC and all of those things but it was also my first moment where I felt I'd been given permission actually take a step back and be like okay. Okay wait. I was told that if I did. X Y and Z. And I was a good girl and I was perfect and pure and blah blah blah. That you would protect me that you would provide for me. That I'd live happily ever after and being a spiritual person and I still am. I really felt like God's response to that was like did I say that the one that was the author of this doctrine that you've been given and basically after that I decided to go. Oh on what I affectionately call my rampage. I just completely let go of any everything I was like. I'm not going to count numbers. There's I'm not going to live in Skilton shammy more. I'm going to pursue anything and everything I want and completely let go and that was the beginning of it deconstruction phase which hit around twenty seven years old. Wow that's I mean that's that's so much in that in that story I mean So much like you just lived like I dunno sometimes to me having having conversations like these. It's just so striking tracking how much pressure we put on ourselves You know how much turmoil that we sort of sometimes willingly willingly and sometimes not so willingly you know our inflict upon ourselves and all the all the things that they you struggled with just just with your sense of self worth and understanding your own your own impulses in your own desires That's just I'm I'm so glad you got to a place place where you could sort of deconstructing and move beyond those things because you deserved it and I think we all do like Yeah so so you go through this this phase where your marriage ends and now you in the way the way tell the story like it did sort of free you in a way right. How does that part of your journey like do you just sort of move? You're like I'm not going to think about the the spiritual stuff right now and just just sort of move on and and explore this thing that have shut off for so long because one of the things you. I really liked what you said earlier. You use this phrase saying compartmentalized your spirituality and your sexuality alley so did do you like had to be an either or choice for a while like you had to either be spiritual and like chased and not part of the Fleischer whatever whatever we would say or just be who you are and like and be comfortable in your own skin you. Yeah I mean it's such an interesting journey because someone recently commented on my page it was like a not a hater but Dissenting comment and she said something like well. If we're not saving ourselves for marriage and were cursing drinking or doing drugs like everybody else. How is anyone GonNa WanNa know where Christian and I was just trying to gently expressed to her owes like? Is that your definition of a Christian like Virgin Virgin that doesn't drink or do drugs and doesn't curse like I never heard. Jesus say that we're supposed to be like a purveyors of justice stice and fighters for others freedom and you know welcoming and immigrants and people that are in need and going out and feeding the poor like but I truly believe that Evangelical Ism Hijacked Christianity and attributed. All of these BS traits is to it that it is not the Jesus. Never put that pressure on us. So that's why the journey was so difficult. I would have called it my prodigal son moments because I didn't have the language for it and before you and I started recording. I was just thinking you for popularizing. The eve of ex Fan Anjelica Hashtag because and then Jamie Lee finch and You know many others have taught me the terms of deconstruction and reconstruction and all of that terminology is so beneficial to me. And I keep trying to teach my audience about it because without that language I I just felt lost in the wilderness. And the thing about it was. You're right I did compartmentalize because I found that I could never ever. You're fully cut myself off from my spiritual self. I was still constantly in communication with God. I was still praying all the time I was still reading my Bible. Even I was praying with friends and other people that I felt like actually understood me and I actually resented the fact that because I was getting a little sailor mouth on me and going home with a bartender every now and again and you know emancipating myself golf in the physical ways that I was no longer allowed to supposedly carry the title of Christian and I feel like a lot of people's hair would stand up on the on their arms if they heard me say that people that are more on the fundamental side. Because they're like no but that's what defines us that's how people know us year being of the world and you're denying God and all of this morality but in reality I really needed to to break free and I did it. In a major way which I didn't get to finish describing the pendulum swing like for me. You're all the way up on one side being perfect perfect perfect myself management. Do everything right when something breaks that for me. That was my divorce. It doesn't just go down down and center itself in the middle and present to you a really healthy sexuality in balanced spiritual life dot shit flies to the other side and the other side for me was a tramp age and drug experimentation and all of these things and I'm not wallowing in the pain of that or crawling across my floor and repentance. I have slowly been on a path of realigning my sexuality and my spirituality and I don't know if you're familiar millions. Linda Kaye Klein. She wrote a book called Pure. Yeah that book was so freeing invalidating because first of all she put language to a lot lot of the things I've experienced but also in the end her very last chapter. She talks about how she was going into the bedroom and she was finally like God. You should come in here with me and I was like. Oh my God. I can relate to that so hard I just felt like I had all these sexual experiences and I was like God. You wait out here. You're really important to me but I know you hate me and I know you despise everything that I'm doing so just stay out here and I'll be back in a minute. And then I would click like back in him and that caused a lot of trauma and and invited a couple sticky me too ish movements because I was checked out in so many ways by approaching at that way and it hasn't been until the last four years or so that I had the moment of like a God. Actually no you want to be in this room with me so stay teach me about sexual integrity and and I've never had a stronger sense of right and wrong with my my body and with my sexuality than I have since allowing that compartmentalization diffuse and come together so I could become this one holistic. DOC person that I've always needed to be Within those last four years what was a that began that process you. There's the pendulum swing which is so. Oh so relatable like okay. I was way over here and now I need to experience this life that I feel like I missed out on or like that. That's just so so very relatable in such a good metaphor as you sort of swing. Swang swung swung back to the center so to speak You mentioned even in our like our emails back and forth like you. You have in in a meaningful way like reconstructed your own sort of spirituality. what were the steps that you took for that. And what does that really look. Okay can mean for you. Yeah I will say that. I consider myself on a path of reconstruction for probably early like ten years. But I just did it very privately and in my own space and I definitely had to walkaway from Church. At that time time I couldn't engage in that space because it was triggering first of all and again Jamie Lee finch helps me understand things like that like recognizing zing religious trauma syndrome. And that's a real thing I was like. Oh that's why my whole body started to shake when I went into church and like it's always like Nice people waving at you and and you're terrified like you're in a haunted house and you're like wow so scared of these really nice people but it is that trauma that I was experiencing so I finally wised up again without the language and was like Thing my body is trying to tell me something. Every time I walk in that door I am shaking. You know like a leaf. Maybe yeah should stop putting myself in that situation for minute and take a breath and I also found the church. Voices to be so loud and overpowering that as I can't hear my own voice let alone the voice of the Holy Spirit or the the nuanced voices of my body. You know like I can't hear anything I just have to get Outta here so I went on that path for a long time but simultaneously without really like the support of I mean. I haven't made friends that have been through so much with me. But I think without the support of knowing or conceiving of sexual integrity like I saw in friends of mine and by the way like atheist agnostics practice beautiful sexual integrity all the time that far surpasses the Christian integrity. I see you know just watching friends that are like having one or two partners year and making sure to go on a bunch of dates rates and get to know them and get comfortable like that was becoming more less and less familiar to me because I was just like jumping into bed with whoever and really disregarding any of that and and really celebrating. You know if you want to do that and nothing against that trust me I do not judge it something maybe it is for some people. Oh but I was definitely in some situations where I was not being kind to my body. Not being kind to my partners. Not Looking at them as they deserve to be treated and vice versa sir which is when I think sexuality becomes unhealthy but all that said I it all culminated? I fell in love with this guy. We broke up and right afterwards I was in one of the most vulnerable dark side like moments in my life that I invited in very abusive person in my life and I proceeded to have I think a two or three year relationship with my first first abusive partner and when I finally came out of that relationship which ended because a friend of mine thankfully early she very gently was like I think you should google emotional abuse checklist and see if you check any of those boxes and I found one of of like forty five different points and I checked every single box and I burst into tears because I was like. How did I get here? How is I gas lit to the point that I didn't even realize this was happening? How did I invite this person? In and where on earth is my self esteem like what what what has happened to me that I've come to this place. I've I've hit this low and right after that it was like actually a steady incline. Because is it hit me like a ton of bricks and from there and I was like I'm GonNa Learn how to respect myself. I'M GONNA figure out how to get here how I got here. I'm going to figure everything out and end so I had already been like this spiritual reconstruction phase of myself like all of my friends would call me a Christian and and make fun of me and you. We know like they do that identified that way but the fruits of my life as a Christian recall. It was not reflective of that and in this relationship or in my sexuality Lectu -ality so after that relationship that's when I started also reconstructing my sexuality and learning about sexual sexual integrity and that's been a beautiful journey can you define that term a little bit more That would what you're going to when you mentioned sexual integrity. Yeah Yeah. Are you familiar with Dan. Savage savage love. Yeah Oh yeah. I love Dan Savage. He is An amazing sex educator and he does a lot of his podcasts very QNA based and learn so much but one of my favorite things that he says is if you have a sexual encounter with someone they need to leave better than you found them if you are inviting someone into your space into your body into your bed when they leave. You've the communication has to have been so on point that there's no questions looming there can be mystery and eroticism but there's no outstanding questions Russians about where you each stand. There is no harm being done outwardly. To the other person and they're leaving happier happier and satisfied and you know all of these things more so than when you found them. I think that's a huge part of sexual integrity another thing. Obviously that evangelical ISM awesome completely. Missed was consent which is a word that I learned about two years ago as a woman in her thirties. Like I didn't even. I was like talking to a friend of mine about being raised on Oprah after school specials. She's my queen. I ball love Oprah but one of the things that I remember is like feeling like rape with some minute took place in a dark alley and it was really violence and I think it wasn't until these recent years of the metoo movement that I started realizing how subtle it could actually be and watching me and a lot of my friends really realize certain certain things that had happened to us and identifying that properly as salts or abuse or whatever so that is prevalent revelant and church because of gendered teachings about sexuality and Modesty Culture and the way. Woman's worth than quote completeness or incompleteness is in her purity and her quote virginity. You know like it's become so clear to me. How much church? Unfortunately has promoted a lot of rape culture sure and those teachings so sexual integrity is all of those things plus the honoring of your body. You know just recognizing and one one moment that I really now understand is a moment that came to me because of purity culture is that I was was at this bar in New York and I was learning with the bar tender and he ended up taking me back to his apartment and we ended up sleeping together and he was being really rough. And that's something I could. Maybe welcome in with someone that I trust but at that moment it was with the bartender tender. I didn't know in an unfamiliar place in a city I don't live in. I wasn't comfortable. I didn't know him like that. Now thank God I feel like I have words and the confidence and the wherewithal to say. Hey I don't WanNa have sex best or hey I don't like that can just chill and be normal but let for me. My purity culture kicked in and I instead how disembodied experience hovered of my my body. I was watching him Hurt me which he would have thought. And I don't mean any harm to him like I think he thought he was having a Kinky kind of experience. That was consensual excited. Say anything first of all but For me I just hovered above my body and I was like well. This is what you get you know so this is what happens when you sleep with a stranger. This is we get when you're dirty and you're impure and you're having a one night stand. Of course they're going to get hurt. So I just tolerated rated it and then I came back into my body and it wasn't until the next morning that I kind of ended up crying in the shower a little bit and being like I didn't like that experience ends at all. Why did it end? But I still didn't feel like I had the freedom to address. Why the Wa? The answer to the Y.. was just because you're a bad girl. That's what happens happens to bad girls so now coming into sexual integrity. Those are the moments that I wanNA teach younger people or even people my age and older after that if come out of this toxic doctrine to be like those are the moments you listen to your body. You're allowed to listen to your heart. You're allowed to say this doesn't feel good good even if you think you're quote sinning you don't have to tolerate pain and That's something I didn't know so. All of those things including luding just basic comprehensive science based sex education. All of that to me is under this umbrella of sexual Integrity thank you so much for that for that explanation and I'm sorry that that that you had that experience in that period culture prime to you to even can be vulnerable to that situation but thank you for for explaining that and really giving such a personal example. Actually WANNA use that. What you mentioned about sex education as a sort of Segue to talk about your work through your podcast and your and your is your youtube channel which is called Goddess Gray? I am really bad at Youtube so l.. Boy so I mean I look I earn it to a foreign land when I start. I feel like I've got a decent grasp on on a lot of things relative into podcasting You know I understand twitter and facebook groups by like one of my major digital blind spots is is youtube so totally curious. How like just in general? How how you found your your niche there and what really motivated you to put put out content for Youtube that told me about the about the show and also about the channel? Sorry I don't even know the link Lingo that's fair that's absolutely and you're not a kit now. I don't WanNa pay it's. It's actually a very diverse place. I had no idea The diversity of agent. Yeah more like I. I don't know if I have the requisite skills you know like I know how to talk back comes pretty easy out of a like a camera presidents and all that other stuff like I just I. I am crossed that bridge yet. Yeah I mean the funny thing about it is. If you would've told me like five years ago that I was GonNa do this. I would have been like. There is literally no way. I'm not doing that even leading up to it like the day before I uploaded my first video. Unlike am I.. Idiot like I don't want to do this horrible all like I. It was intense and and it's a space is can be so uplifting and can be so volatile because it's like any other space people have direct access to you. They can just call you a whore out of nowhere and you kind of have to just sit there and take it. 'cause you put yourself out there it's crazy the whole don't read. The comments thing is real right and yet I do but basically what happened was I wrote. I was keeping a blog and a personal journal entries for my entire tire deconstruction reconstruction phase. And when I first started a blog it was on my space and I was little miss goody. Two shoes I was is getting ready to get married living in. La and my whole blog was about how to maintain your Christianity in these wild spaces. Like I'm Ammon L. A.. I am modelling. I'm going to like cocaine parties and the playboy mansion and how am I maintain adding my faith and to be honest. That portion was really easy for me. Because it's you can miss the The purity of knowing you know like how nice it was no everything and to skew things in black white and to not address gray and nuance so at that phase. I was that girl all and also I was heterosexual virgin saving herself for marriage. So I had all the qualifications of good Christian you know and ends after that I started kind of lying and pretending to be perfect while I was going through divorce while I was going on this like rampage and it's funny 'cause I ended up going through all of that material in reading back you know what I'd written and recognizing myself reading at being like. Oh Oh you little Brat. That's not true. That's not what you were doing like. That's just what you were putting out into the public world you know but anyway I saw that material and I saw it as an opportunity opportunity to write a memoir about my experience because at the end of it and this was after my abusive relationship. Probably like a year or or year and a half later. I really wanted to turn it into a book because I really wanted to express my feelings and I really wanted to communicate that I believe you could go on this entire journey and still be a Christian and still be beloved by God. It's so crazy to me because now I see see so many people in this space saying the same thing but at the time. I didn't know there was a hat maker or Sarah. SE OR A. Pete ends like I'd all I know idea any of these. People were awaiting me which has been incredible at the time. I felt very alone in it and I was trying to get. It publishes talking to some agents and they were like we love this material. We don't think there's an audience for it. And this is pre trump so I also so think after the whole trump thing that's really shown people like no evangelical ism is live and well and very influential and it's still there and I could make an easier case for the book at this point but anyway I actually in a moment of frustration was was like no. That's impossible there is definitely audience for this. There's no way so I started googling and I was like sex positive Christian. LGBTQ affirming Kris. John and I couldn't find anything. I wound up on Youtube. which just like you was as crazy? Unfamiliar where'd territory to me. And I I found girls like white girls in their twenties saying the same things that had really harmed and hurts so many aspects of my life my sexuality the way I moved the world the way I judged other people. You know girls talking about dressing modestly so that you don't cause men to stumble that God is your birth control so you know you can just trust him with that The you're less than and for having sex before marriage all of these things and I actually was getting so upset and I was sitting with my boyfriend. Whom now having a baby with breath? Thank you It was really an incredible moments. Ever read or hear about how Mary Shelley Kerr Frankenstein mm can stein just like came from like this divine place and I would just like spewed out onto the paper. After she had a dream. It was one of those as much as I was sitting on the couch with him. We were just like drinking wine hanging out and I completely like blacked out. I was on my computer and I wrote like sixty or fifty topics that I thought I could talk about and I came to. My boyfriend looked at me and he was like where did you just go and I was like I think I have an idea and it just felt so right and I picked up a camera and I shot the first message and I just felt crazy. You and I had this like really beautiful like vision. I like walked out of this dense forest in to this square open fields. I was there by myself for like a minute. And then in the distance there was someone waving at me and that person. I now identify as Linda Klein because she was the very very first person. I noticed that was in this reconstructionist worlds and then shortly thereafter. All kinds of people started coming out of the fields and waving at each other. And I feel like that's the community that I found now even with you and your platform like all of us speaking out on these harmful toxic doctrines etc.. But at that moment those first moments I was just out there in that fields alone and it was beautiful because I was gearing gearing up for the worst storm ever I was like I'm GonNa wake up tomorrow morning. Ninety five percent of people are going to say. You're going to hell you disgusting core of Jacksonville and five percent of people are going to be like thank you. I've needed to hear this my whole life and when we woke up in the morning and as the weeks and months on swim by it was the exact opposite it was like ninety eight percent. People saying I've needed to hear this my whole life and two percent. People being like your adjustable who are going to hell will always going to be those people. Yeah I like. That was leased abridged version. But that's it all came from me just really desperately trying trying to share my story and I never thought it would manifest in the youtube space of all places and now. I'm still going to publish that book and everything but that's how it all. Aw began wow. That's that's great. And so what are the sort of things that you explore through your youtube channel. I really I do these. Like clapback. Switch sometimes get flack for people like. You shouldn't be so mean to Christians but Christians can be creating if you have not noticed. Oh I've noticed artist so really I mean I know the unique thing about my channel and my my voice is that I did move from deconstruction section two reconstruction so I one hundred percent identify as a Christian so I like coming from this space of like hi. I'm a Christian global warming Israel. Hi I'm a Christian. Troll isn't a sin. Hi I'm a Christian. We need to vote pro-choice because it's statistically saves more babies lives so those are really the things that I go after and I always try to reach out to people that upset me one on one olive. DM I'll try to reach out. I'll try to be like. Can we have a constructive conversation about some of the things you've said that I really disagree with Maybe we can show people how Christians can unify fi in these in coming from these two sides of the aisle and a lot of them. Turn me down unfortunately and when that happens I'm like well I'm still going to speak speak out because you just gave all this misinformation about abortion or you said that's crazy nonsense about the border wall and you know I'm just I. I'm sorry I'm going to have to call you out on your nonsense and portrayed Jesus in the way that I see him and you know I still. I have no judgment for these people at all and I don't even want to categorize them as a different category than me because I don't doubt their face. I don't doubt there Devotion to Christianity. But I I do think we need to start coming together and actually listening to each other concludes all faiths and all denominations and people that don't identify with the faith at all because everything everyone is in like so much disagreement agreement right now. There's so much pain of us in them and just battling each other. It makes you lose your your empathy first of all but also your logic for these issues that really matter like the health of the planet is on the table women's bodies whether or not they're going to die is on the table like these are really big issues that Christians and fundamentalists like the terrible moral majority have their hands in and I just I think we need to stand up and say something about it as Christians. Anyone that's still identifies as that needs to speak out against it. You're and I'm not not going to disagree at all. That's entirely. What what this sort of pursuit for my show is an and having people like you want is to be able to have constructive but also critical discussion of the sorts of harm? At least for me. And in particular I'm concerned about Evangelicalism White Evangelical ISM and and how that impacts people but it's so fascinating to see you succeed in build a space like occupies a very similar space as like the people that you're clapping back or that you're doing climax to. I'm sure I sound super old right now. I'm GonNa own it you know I don't Yeah Dour am all the people that you're reading these. You're doing these response videos to you. Share an legal platform in that. You're both on Youtube. And so people are searching for the same sorts of information really. Yeah but you're servicing this. I'm biased when I'm going to say more informed and more healthy approach to sexuality and other elements that obviously impact other Christians because Christians things are humans and they got a wreck in with that stuff. So that's that's just so fascinating that that they are able to use the platform in that that way to expose people to something that they might not otherwise see. Yeah I've I've gotten such beautiful messages from people who who said they were searching for a video From another creator and they found mine and they finally felt like they were allowed to to believe in climate change. They were allowed to believe that they're worth wasn't in their purity or allowed to believe in God and NB lesbian at the same time you know like we have tape like the Evangelical Ism has just bogarted so much of the Bible Poland. What it's supposed to be and what it was intended to be and turned it into a some sex manual or some like really small narrow minded black and white vision vision of the world? And that's why I call my channel got his gray because we have to contend with the gray with the nuance. I know someone that's hesitant ten or that hates what I'm doing would hate that. You said I'm more informed. But that's a huge part of it too. I'm like Christian that I'm clapping back to. I am not trying to degrade you to mean you humiliate you anything like that. I'm just begging you to have an informed. Look look at your view and you can still hold onto your view if you insist on voting pro life. I'm not telling you not to but I am saying. Oh my God. You need to advocate for sex. Ed You know resources for women in need welfare sex education Birth Control excetera because that is what statistically and every available statistic saves babies lives. You can't just take a word or a phrase like pro-life and sit on it and be like I am self-satisfied. I'm doing the right thing. 'cause pro-life sounds flowery and it's coming from the House of people that are calling themselves Christians. It's like no you have a responsibility. If you're telling me the you are devoted to saving being babies lives but you are voting. pro-life and statistically proven killing more babies making more women suffer bringing more people in poverty than you're not aligned with your view you need like I need you to have an informed. Take of what. You're doing. Align your spirituality rally with the way you're moving through the world's or stop saying it and I've Ad Nauseam I mean sometimes it just WanNa smash my head into a wall. Aw trying to explain to Christian. They're like how on Earth could pro-choice save more babies. I'm like for the Brazilian time. These are the factors that saved babies. This is what pro choice legislators bring to the table. You know trump puns cutting funding and bringing back abstinence. Only those are the things that kill babies. Put your money where your mouth is educate yourself stop spout spouting than same nonsense and stop sitting on a lily pad where you think your terminology or what your pastor told you is enough. You're not moving through the world as a real Christian this Jim. If you're not affecting the change that you're saying you want to be. It seems like you're you're really giving the audience which might be really evangelical even jackals searching Youtube for information. You're giving them to things that they often don't get from evangelical sources which has one permission just mentioned to to question permission to be who they are without trying to fit into a box and also information information that they might not receive otherwise And it's honestly it's good that you're doing that as a Christian because that matters to some people you know they they may not receive information they may not receive someone's testimony so to speak in less. They know that that person is also a Christian. So it's really great that you're doing that on on that platform just because clearly. It's a major driver of culture and major conversation. Yeah I really appreciate you saying that I and I agree. It's it's like a safe space and that's how I felt before I found my brothers. There's and sisters in this arena. I felt like okay I can either go watch sex in the city and say screw it all and just embrace sexuality polity and like being deviant in any way I want bubble blah or I stay in this little box under the steeple and and reside in this space. Where you're telling me I HAVE TO BE X Y Z to be a good person and rarely had I ever or maybe I never had heard someone say exactly what you said? You're allowed to be yourself you're allowed to Like Goth Music and rear salve. You're allowed to go on a date with the person person that you're not gonNA marry you're allowed to have an ecstatic experience just because you want to to you know and you're still going to be a Christian at the end of the day but the god God himself is about exploration and and love and charity and just being holistic person I think is the best servitude we could be to others. Because if you are whole within yourself if you're competent and who you are if you're walking in your full being as has God made you. Then you're going to do nothing but like create positive liberty in this world because you're not going to be obsessively trapped in the thinking of like Oh God masturbated today. I'm a terrible person nominee. Think about that for twenty four hours you know and you just let yourself be and masturbate in the shower in the morning. Get it over with and you can move Yvonne to like living real life like being good to your neighbor and hanging house friends and acting a good change in this world so distracting they just just get it over F mastery not up to save the planet. Do you know what I mean. That's why I'm laughing. Because that's something that's all pastor once told me that the major and the minor minor and the majors that is all we are doing like the you know sex sexuality is important but like telling men to obsessively spend their lives trying not to masturbate. Like what are you doing. That is so distracting. You're you're majoring in the most minor thing. I can possibly think US move on. Oh Man oh man well it sounds like you you are doing really really cool staff. I I want to tie up our conversation a little bit just by asking a more general question I and the preamble to the question is like you know twenty nineteen been on yet another hell of a year. There's there's all sorts. There's an impeachment inquiry. There's atrocities happening in Turkey right now in Syria. There's the climate crisis. You know all these things all all these major things and then of course on top of it like evangelicals are in their political ascendancy So that's something to worry about. Yeah I'm curious for you. What what gives you hope? Like what motivates you to to make the content that you do and just encourages you personally. Oy Well this is why I love Youtube too. I have a lot of hope in the next up generation. Like I'm I'm really blown away and not in. Just you know the twitter sphere and people have in their fifteen minutes of fame. Way Like I I really see the younger people being so awake and alive and unabashedly themselves whether it's the way they dress or the way they express their sexuality or their opinions of the world the way they you you know may reject certain concepts that their parents are bringing to them. They're just I see so many little rebels that are like coming from such such a beautiful place and I'm excited to have a child for the same reason like going back to the pendulum idea. I think a lot of kids right now. Even if they're not being raised in this way they're choosing for themselves to stay in the middle of the pendulum and just kind of gently swaying from mm side to side between what someone might traditionally call a good move or an evil move you know but like in that really healthy space of experimentation then but also confidence and trust in themselves and I for one really aim to and hope that I do raise my child in exactly exactly that space bottom of the pendulum not healthy experimentation into Lake cooling it down whatever dot is why. I'm so honored to be the on Youtube and and I believe as a Christian. That's probably why God brought me there because these the messages I'm getting from these fifteen in year old girls that are just blowing my mind with their knowledge of the world the way they're seeing things and just asking or thanking me like you said like giving them permission to believe the way that they do and I am honored that I can do that for any young person and that really does give me hope and also you know I have a lot of weird concept's the world like this just seems like some big ass video game to me like I don't know why were here and it all feels and is so big and heavy and might lead to our doom and destruction for sure but I am a Christian so I do believe that there is some something after this and some reason that we're all here. My basic belief is that we are here as spiritual beings in the flesh bodies and both should be honored spirit and flesh and that we're just supposed to move through this place awesome. See what we can learn what we can gather. What kind of positive effect to you we can change? And if you look at it that way it's like you you know not to be like a nihilist or whatever but I'm like well if the planet explodes like I guess the Video Games over I tell you I'm going to try my best to the fight against that. I'M GONNA pray. That's next generation saves us but like I think we're here for so much more so the more we have these conversations and I thank you so much for having these conversations with people and bringing so many voices into people's awareness that they are just expanding their minds and moving through the world was so much confidence because of what you are imparting to them. I think that's the most we can do for our own. Health is people that will therefore transference of the health of this planet to the next generation etc.. Yeah that's great. I'm also encouraged by a lot of the same things that that definitely resonates. Yeah I have a seven year old and so it's great seeing seeing things through her eyes as always gives me a little bit more. Hope you're you're looking at your like CIBA's yeah no pressure Eh. Well Brenda thank you so much for talking with me and telling me a little bit about your journey in your work Where can people find you on Youtube? Yuban anywhere else. You might be online Yeah it's just Youtube dot com slash got his gray G. R. E. Y. I'm on twitter. Which I'm horrible at but also pretty accessible on because I have so few followers instagram at God is gray and yeah that's also the podcast got his grey to search got his grade? The podcast and Oklahoma awesome. Brenda thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you you've doc.

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Deuces Wild: Part Two with Energy Credit 1 on Chuck Yates Needs A Job Podcast

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Deuces Wild: Part Two with Energy Credit 1 on Chuck Yates Needs A Job Podcast

"Dog about this talk about that judge. Gigs needs a job. I had a point. I don't know where it's at. Yuck gee yeah. Welcome back everyone to chuck. Yates needs a job. The podcast this is part. Two of our two part series with jeff davies aka energy credit one aka oil and gas g part one. I think we learned this. Dudes really thoughtful. I think we learned this dudes real. There was a really raw discussion. We had about the funding put together and it not working out the way. He wanted to part shoe. We're gonna talk more about the future. We're gonna talk about out peas. We're going to talk about oil filled helping hands in the two hundred thousand dollars a dft raise to help out folks. We're gonna talk. His music list playlist is really cool. Little bit surprising the tunes on there. But you're gonna like it a lot. I think at the end of part to the lesson learned will be. Let's not major wine flex as a host. All through the podcast. What's the next ten years i mean. What do what we did. You run on oil and gas company. What he did focus on returns. Focus on investment You know plan your business for the facts on the ground and the reality on the ground you know if you can generate enough cash and enough free cash flow you have the ability to i. Guess kind of manage your own Manager on future you know. I don't think the industry is in a place where they're not gonna still need to raise capital You know it. Everyone needs to just continue to reduce costs. You know we've seen this year. In particular ton consolidation i think consolidation is going to continue to be a big theme. Quite frankly because you know if you look back the last couple years you know. Through technology through efficiencies people reduce their costs people reduce their gathering and transport costs. You know to the best that they could But the only place that i see to reduce costs is through reduce leverage. 'cause i mean you need to look at things from an all in cost structure and that's the way elected things from an investment investor perspective. You know what is your total cost structure. What is your on a per unit basis. Here's the revenue you get here is the you know l. o. e. per unit. Here's the transport costs per unit. Here's the interest cost per unit. And then here's the gna per unit right so let's talk about leverage right. The industry used a tunnel leverage. Because at the end of the day the returns weren't that great so they leveraged in themselves up to provide and they were given it and they were giving yet and they were. I mean we can all take a step back and say gosh would a bunch of idiots. These these management teams were but who wouldn't have taken the leverage. If he were given that right who wouldn't have been up. None of us are not hopefully very few of us are pessimists in life right so most people live their life is optimised and they think particular you particularly if you're in oiling. Gap accord right right. So hey let's spend every dollar. We have drill this well. Now let's see would happen right. You're an optimist biden by design and again let's You know one of the things that i had of the big whiffs in this industry is all the people for years and years and years said oil can't go below acts because of the social costs in middle east like that was like biggest greater. You know foolish thing for people to say ever. How did that play out like that. That that floor just got you know ridiculous You know so. I if you're an optimist and you believe prices are going to be at a minimum acts and you believe there is upside prices over time. Of course you're gonna take leverage leverage. Your business You know you want to reduce that cost structure. The only way that you can do that now if you've eked out. All the efficiencies is in my opinion technology and through consolidation right so i see a ton of consolidation in the industry. We've seen it already but it should continue to happen. I don't know why the appalachian basin is consolidating more quite frankly People like their their jobs. I mean right right. Yeah right right. I mean You know where does the industry go you know. i think we need a bag like questar. You know a number of years ago. They had this utility based npr. You know is there scenarios where there's the ability that like carve out. He said the industry that is kinda rate based like that. You know to me that makes a little bit of sense. I mean right How do we do deal with renewables. And i ain't the industry get so worked up and you know. I certainly see this on twitter account where i talked about renewables and people get all worked up about it. I saw there was an article call on wall street journal today. I believe You know world energy supplies gonna go from ten percent renewables today. Thirteen percent by twenty thirty right like renewables aren't going to displace fossil fuels anytime soon but at the end of the day. The marginal barrel or the marginal. Mci is matters prices. You know and you can see a scenario where okay twenty thirty. Which isn't that far away. you know. Twenty thirty the rating is on the wall that demands going to start. You know we're going to be at peak oil And demands gonna start to kind of flatten out a little bit. Is there a scenario. Where the middle eastern countries the saudis of the world the russians of the world. Start to flood the market. That's my concern. You know i'm bullish from a Lack of capital investment perspective. But how bullish can you be when there's eight million barrels off the market today. Yeah that's that's right. I've kind of said that on the podcast. The i've been on is you've Eight to ten million barrels sitting in middle east and even in the brecon homerun monks right. I mean we are the home run years. We were growing at. What million barrels million barrels a day. So it's like sit there and go million million and a half for zayd now that assumes e. u. s. stays the same done decline. And i know we're on a rapid decline. But every time i look up the us stays flatter than i think they should right. I may just do you know what we you know. Oil hundred million barrels a day plus or minus world. The man i believe is the right zip code the us. Today's at ten million barrels day. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where we decline much from here. Quite frankly because nobody's going to buy depleting asset base so all these companies are going to add a minimum flat line or grow slowly so then you take a step back and say well the rest of the world of course decline curves never sleep. And you've got this wedge that you need to deal with on a global basis but you have like you said eight to ten million barrels a day off offline right now so combined with you know again just just saudi stats by twenty. Thirty thirty percent of all cars will be vs in china that will be forty eight percent You know you can't just look at supply anthony supply it's a supply and demand. You know perspective You know it's hard not to be constructive gas right now but really at the end of the day. How high can gas prices go before somebody in the us starts to say. Gosh why we ask. Sporting all this natural gas. And let's stop ellen. G export right. I mean if if gas were to go to five six bucks in this country especially if you live in texas where your power. Prices are basically based on natural gas prices. There's gonna be shit too you know there's going to be people raising hell saying why my utility bill just double and we're exporting gas to china right right You know it's interesting my My father who is as we speak born in nineteen forty so he's You know he's eighty years old. He's about to turn eighty one. He just put solar panels in the vacant lot next to his house to sit there and his electric bill. Every month is electricity used versus electricity generated in seoul the grid and he'll call me every month and it's like oh my god. I made forty eight dollars. I made eighty seven dollars. And one time and i feel so bad about this fund said. Hey dad what's your payback. You spent a hundred forty thousand dollars. Putting in the solar panels he goes. It's nine years. And i get dude. You're eighty do we really do nine year. Bay bags at this point but love him. I really hope he makes it to the payback on the On the solar panels. And all that so you know at the end of the day. I mean you're right. I mean it's just we've got all this we've got to deal with it and i think you know one of the things i learned from you today in terms of talking about this sort of stuff is an. Don't think i had an appreciation for this. 'cause i've always been a name p guy right so. Emp guy it's acreage gos- dnc. what do we get. The infrastructure is year. it's ten it's fifteen twenty and you're right. I mean like the fucking world's changed in terms of In terms of doing that. So i if i can take a step back i mean just like you look at a broad kind of macro specht perspective. I actually just think everyone is concerned about inflation today and this is like an last twenty years of my lifetime. The third time people have said gosh. Look at all this stimulus in the us. And around the world and this going to be inflationary in great for commodities and that dovetails back into what. I mentioned about texas teachers in why they wanted in a hedge which turned out to be a disaster right. So you know. I would be cautious about saying Stimulus is going to be inflationary. So it's great for energy or great for commodities. I think it is short term. But i actually think when you take a step back and say you know between technology and you know what's coming down. The pipe from those perspective is super deflationary. And how high can rates ever go and we're going to be in this kind of you know situation where governments around the world never can really let inflation get out of control or let you know let rates get out of control because you know automation replaced blue collar jobs i think. Ai is going to replace white collar jobs right so you know i if you if you think that you know you no longer needed junior banker because you can get program have some you know a spreadsheet full of data that you need. You no longer needed junior lawyer. You no longer need certain doctors Like the employment and labour situation around the world just because of technology. I think is going to be problematic for governments around the world and they're going to have these fiscal problems. The ultimate ultimately mean. You know everyone's going to shut down a debt that means they can't let rates go nuts. So we're gonna stay in this free money world for a long time. But i don't think it leads to inflation quite frankly You know. I think where energy plays into that. Is you know again. I think it's very easy to be bullish like you know. I'm not that exposed to energy myself today. I've missed this recent trade You know but i would be cautious that it lasts too long quite frankly. Just be from the perspective of You know. I think rates stay low. I think manley's money stays cheap. I think you know the. Us is only ten percent of global oil supply. So if you're only focused on the us maybe remit missing the bigger picture you know you know. If rates stay low look no further than the deals that have done by the asian countries over the years. And you know buying up sandwich garbage and kind of you know buying up to barnet stuff like they did. You know there's always money that will move closer and closer and closer to the well head for five percent. Four percent three percent if they're a one percent capital company right Yeah so you know. There's always gonna be money to drill. There's always gonna be money to bring supply on In the low rate environment. So i'm kind of on the opposite side of the market today. Everyone thinks rates are going from whatever one percent and going higher. I think we actually stayed low. And if rates stay low there's these huge pools of capital. That are always gonna look for some place to put it whether it's pensions or sovereign wealth funds etcetera etcetera. That are going to say okay. Well if rates are one. I'm cool with three percents. I'm cool with five percent. And i can go do a deal at the wellhead and i can do something like that where You know if prices go up. Money's gonna come in and prices the goal. I guess what i'm saying in know. And i hear that and i wanna believe it. The issue i have is set thirty seven per sound of all the dollars ever present ever printed in the world happened in twenty twenty in and the the problem with fiat currencies because nixon took us off that right and whatever fifty years ago is they generally seem okay and then at some point they don't seem okay and then like twenty two seconds later it's fucked. The ymer republic was like great and nineteen twenty three nineteen twenty four shows up and bam all the sudden. There will peros of dollars everywhere and so. That's the thing i struggle with. I mean it's just like but do we see the same thing in renewables for example as we saw on shell right. If there's all this capital people have completely underestimated the solar cost curve. I actually when i was that convert arbonne looked at a ton of chinese. Solar converts came to the market back in. Oh eight oh nine in touch one of them because they were chinese companies but you look at that. Solar cost curve. It's come down like crazy. I mean so shales a great example of if you throw enough money at something you can do kind of things that you can't believe that you can do right and loretta. Just in the last number of years Screaming just in the last number of weeks or months. Look at what's going on in hydrogen which i had no idea what was going on in hydrogen and there has been just this kind of explosion of hydrogen activity where korea spain france I think the uk a number of these companies have countries have come out and said you know. We're going to invest ten billion dollars. Twenty billion dollars. Nine billion dollars to ensure hydrogen as part of our energy stack. So if you throw enough money at something And technology is there to kind of bring it along You know all of us have to appreciate that something that we can't believe can happen can happen again like like i said i. I don't think like the whole fear over renewables. Replacing false fuels isn't a three or five year concern. And i think people get worked up about that. It's a thirty or fifty year concern. But you know that marginal barrel Matters at the end of the day and can't happen sure can If you throw enough money again just having seen some of these statistics sixty five percent of all the money that will be spent on energy. Investments over the next decade will be on renewables right. So we're spending more money on renewables than we are on fossil fuels. You know so if you put enough money towards something you have to appreciate that. Gosh you know. Nobody back in two thousand and i thought shell would be. We would go in the us from six million barrels a day. The twelve million barrels a day there was. Nobody thought that nobody thought we would go from. Fifty bc affidavit in the us one hundred bc fda in the us. Nobody thought that right so right. Take the perspective if if you're in the industry hey maybe renewables can do something that that i don't believe they can do and look no further than shale You know so that hits the demand side of the equation whereas the supply side of things is a little tougher to get your arms around You know unless you have a global perspective. Like i said i find it hard to believe that we don't grow a little bit from here in the us and the next couple of years but are we ever have. We peaked in the us. What your opinion. Now that's really that's really The debate so jane ury of twenty twenty. I was sitting there man. My my funds seven sucked right. I mean in jail. Prices lost two thirds during twenty nineteen and we had a lot of incontinent. Right says kinda like been hit. Their average values went down and thousand. Acreage guy right. I'm an early stage investor told every lp that hey man we do or release stage vestments. In as the acreage took a hit still felt like we could drove good wells all that sort of stuff but in january of twenty twenty i was really sitting. There saying oils can be at eighty dollars at the end of the year in. We've peaked. there's just no way we can generate anymore. We've hit this is really interesting. i'll get these stats wrong but Directionally they're right right if you looked at two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen downs Two thousand seventeen the average. Iep thirty of a well was a thirty percent a year right. 'cause we're hitting it with a big bigger hammer right so boom boom boom and then when you get into two thousand seventeen and you look at two thousand eighteen to nineteen minutes like up. Eighteen percent eighteen percent right. And you go man the trend still going and then you sit there and you say you know what let's takeout every exxon well every well. Zeus guys didn't drill on the midland in the permian. Until later you know. So they're kinda johnny come later. They watched everybody else. Did if you took out there. Wells kind of eighteen in nineteen down. Percents down two percent so we clearly flattened out. I mean and everything with more sand head plateaued in terms of technology and all that boom we'd plateaued and so you're sitting there in your gone. Oh my gosh. We're not getting any better. You know we've hit everything we can hit all that exxon chevron yeah great. They're doing it now. But anyway so i actually kinda felt like roland ended twenty twenty. It sucked. I mean you know oil prices war were they were. We generate a lot of production. But i really thought by the end of twenty twenty we were gonna be at seventy five eighty dollars oil and bam covid hit and screwed all that Got me fired All that good stuff but you know. I don't see that technology out there. That's gonna let us do better. And i get the fact that okay. Prices may rise and we may as in industry spend our cash flow to drill new wells based on higher prices. And all that. I really don't see any external capital coming in. I know in january of twenty twenty one. Were up fifteen percent. There were three billion dollars worth of inflows and the month of january towards oil and gas stocks. I don't know that that three billion dollars showed up if you said. Hey man we're gonna take your money. Give drill new wells. I think it was a price bat. Yeah but that's just me. I'm sitting there sitting there. Thinking through that. So long winded. Answer your questions freak. I don't know man. I mean i just saying i think. The commodity has upside because of lack of activity at the united states. I think demands gonna be stronger than we realize. I mean every person i know says i'm am vaccines are here fucking meghan on an airplane. You know and So i think we're going to get back to one hundred million barrels a day quicker than we think the. Us can be shrinking. And all that. But i mean that's a stew that you know a wanna served for dinner earn. Tell people tell me what you think. It tastes like i. i don't disagree. is capital Gonna come in the industry for additional supply. I don't really see that anytime doesn't fucking heinous stay right. I don't see that and he mazen. Es g all that sorta stuff. I mean i keep telling people that in fact. I texted her out on twitter day. I'm like if you think it's going to be reversion to the mean it's not gonna happen. Mean eighty dollar. Oil is not gonna cause capital comeback in here because they hate us and and and the industry is part of that right. I mean it. All the majors have the net zero emission targets. Right like they. They all bought in the es g. Men nate so If they were to move away from that. I think you see more. Investors leave the conoco's or more investors. Leave the accent was one of the last ones the bp's of the world if they don't live up to i mean it's kind of this. You know the boy who cried wolf story if you tell me you're gonna live within free cash flow for eight years and you don't do it and then finally i've got you to do it and you you don't do it again. I'm just going to be like. I don't believe you right Gives back to our information issues like will. Why can't you do it. Oh shit you're drilling less than twenty five percent read. Return wells right. Yeah right and we touched on this Before we start the podcast. But i you know i actually think. From a hey. From an investment perspective and capital inflow perspective. More information is better than less information. If i'm in p. That is actually drilling good wells. Why am i giving you a really shitty. Pv ten in a data dumped once a year. Why not create something that. Everybody can access on a monthly basis that. Here's my wells. Here's the actual production numbers and you can see that. What i'm telling you is true. And if you like what you see you will invest in the company and you believe the free cash flow that i'm generating and you believe the rate of return that i'm generating off those wells. Give that to the investment community and it will create more interest because one of the problems for this industry has been the the data and the kind of Lack of data and the confusion and the data. And it's one it's it's one reserve reporter year right right and the end of the year and until recently it was whatever the year in prices were earned says. He's spiked up the honored twenty five dollars. Oh boy that was your peavy ten. So i like this. This is so when energy senec was on the podcasts. He called for leadership. You took that up. We're gonna cover that just second. You just called for more information in the industry. And i agree with you. I think that would be really cool. If oil and gas companies would say were spending our capital and were generating an x. Percent return and oh by the way here the forty two wells we spend it on. Here's our forecast here. The actual dollars we've gotten today here's the tail and oh by the way every month that goes by or every quarter that goes by. Let's give them some wiggle room. You can do the tail versus the tailed. Does it hold up. I think that would be huge. I think that's a great call to arms right now for every oil and gas company the i agree and i think you combine that with rate part of the problem that i see in. This industry is the incestuous nature of the boards. You know so if everybody has their buddies ray and it's all a bunch of oil and gas guys so you combine more information with better since may bring people from outside the industry on your board You know you solve a lot of the problems all these fourteen trillion dollars. Es g money are concerned about right. You've given me more information. You've solved the governance issue because you know again. Go back to my comstock. They mentioned earlier. That's aboard were you know jay alison went to baylor and i think it was. You know seven of the nine board members went to baylor right and it's his. You know his football team. Mate was the The compensation chair right and it's just like you look at that stuff and you and you're like how can i invest in this company. It's just ridiculous. let us so. When i had sunk on podcast he had a similar type call. We did five questions and we went through who should be on the governance committee who should be on the cheery committee you know and all that i got. I got tasked with being in charge of the cheery committee. Only because i could sing little annie in all seriousness. I wanna put this back at you. I think you ought to get with skilling. I think you ought to get senate i think you know. Add two or three other. Maybe quick draw drawn that although you know i hate to give quick. Draw too much credit. Love you quick draw. But seriously i think you guys ought to get together and i think you guys ought to create. This is good governance for a public company. And think you oughta publisher. I really do. I think if you guys came out and so we've thought about it. We want outside directors. We want this. We want that and you publish it and you pushed it. You guys can have an impact. You may be giving us more credit than than what we deserve but You know dude you raise two hundred thousand dollars. The in the community community has a lot of impact right and and the reality just because of had folks. Dm me and you know folks reach out to me you know. If he is full of you know company executives industry folks private equity folks by siders sell siders. So you know we could. Certainly you know. Have some impact. Whether the companies you know buy into that. I think they probably listen to shareholders more but if we can get that message out to their shareholders a could certainly have some been impact won. I think shareholders will listen. I mean that was my whole point. I mean at the end of the day. Do i think you're gonna change a management team because energy credit and skilling say. You ought to do that now. But if you guys are saying that and shareholders here that. I think y'all could do that. And you know what i will say is one of done a podcast with senate. Now done a podcast with you. I've deemed was skilling. And i hope. I'm not violating a a confidence was skilling by saying that i think the three guys really thoughtful i mean i i really i mean. I don't think you're unfair. I don't think anything that you guys came up with would be agreed gis and you know what i think you guys would do given what i know about you. Guys you guys would suggest that the f. t. it would get like totally hashed out by. Eft right i mean people would say. Oh you're fucked up for saying this. You're not screwed up a saying this. This is good. You should do this. it would be a well. Vetted plan ultimately that you presented demand team. I think you guys oughta do that in all seriousness really think you ought to do that and i think that's our role i mean. I think that's ultimately you know what you skilling cynic and the others are doing being on the if she sang the things you do that's the role let's formalize it. Let's put it on paper. Let's get it out to people and all that and i think you'd have a cheering crowd. Let's do it. I mean it's a good idea I certainly hope that as the industry can have bounces off the bottom as it as it has last couple months that the community stay strong and continues to have strong voice. You know. I have taken a step back a number of times thought like gosh. Why does this happen in the industry. Excuse me the energy industry. When i don't see this happening in the tech industry. I don't see this happening. In manufacturing or healthcare. What's happening on twitter and the community and at the end of the day. My only conclusion is misery loves company and We've gone through miseries industry. And i hope we continue to be a force even if the industry bounces back as we all hope it does right right but what we've done in the influence that we've had and let's not overstate it by any stretch. But i've had a number of people tell me that they follow what we say and they get i you know. I have a a good friend who that has the research team. And he's like jeff. There's been times that. I've been pissed at my guys. The do my research. Because i find out something from eft. Before i find it out for my own guys you know so that we do have influence right. No you totally do five four three two one one on i'm desktop your ipods and songs from tonight's guest every guest to come on and create a playlist i mean and so the whole thing is i didn't give you guideline might create a playlist you know. What does that mean. Are you have no idea. But i want to hear what you put on the playlist. Tell us the songs. Tell us what they mean. Tell us what was behind each one of the songs and all that. And let's talk about it because i think that's going to tell us a lot about you and i think this is going to be really cool. So tell us your playlist. Wire people there. Mary so i gave you seven songs own. Just go through them. I guess so. The first song is beastie boys shattuck and bc's really part of my formative years. You know wrecks on paul's boutique which came out in one thousand nine hundred nine. I was in high school at the time. Go back a couple of years to eighty seven eighty eight. I actually saw beastie boys in public enemy warmed up for them This was in syracuse. New york It may sound wild. But me. And i'll give them a quick shout out my buddy mark oats and jason robinson actually had a a little rap group three white dudes with their own rap group two turntables in my basement. Trying to follow what the bc's were doing. But you know paul's boutique. I listened to for an entire summer really and you know if you know that album. It was one of the first albums where the entire albums basically samples of different songs right so so so interesting. You say that because it was before the lawsuit right. I mean i forget the name of lawsuit but there was a lawsuit. That said samples. You gotta pay and all that sorta stuff but paul's booze boutique was literally the last album out the door. The unknown thing about that album is the actually paid for in terms of royalties about ninety percent of the samples that they used and But that being said it was amazing because the dust brothers The the m group had written. Call it ten songs. And we're going to publish the album. And the beastie boys call them coming off the success of the you gotta fight for your right party and said let's do album. And they spent almost a year together literally. And one of the beastie boys apartment doing that and they took those ten songs and they wrote ten more songs and then morphed it all together to create this and one i forget which critic it was. I think it was a rolling stone. Guy sergeant pepper's of rap. I mean it was under mason album. You know it if you're my age and you know i'm kind of grew up rap guy for for a number of years still am it. Was you know as far as i'm concerned. It's the best album that's ever made is my favorite album because you have to put yourself in that point of time. There was nothing like that that was ever done at that point. You know so. It's it's my favourite album remains my favorite album. I still listen to it to this day from nineteen eighty nine You know those guys. You know like i said they were formative for me in kind of loved it and still love it and the other thing. That was cool about it. Is you know they had had their success with licensed ill right. I mean you fight for your right to party quite frankly cheesy song ever written except for maybe ice ice baby by the no is right. I mean incredibly cheesy and all that but what was interesting is took the money from that and quite frankly all of their fathers were wall street lawyers so they weren't starving right And instead of like playing on that and writing you ought to fight for your right to party number to those guys went into hiding hung out with the dust brothers and created this and it was amazing in that it came out. It didn't really sell as much obviously is licenses and they had they only had two singles off it right and so they do that but the end of the day. I mean we're sitting here. Twenty years later saying that might be the greatest rap i will never produced and you can say that and people will say oh. I don't agree that they won't say you're crazy agreed. Yeah agreed in so many good songs on their car. The b boy bouillabaisse. I mean bebo bulletin. Macy's basically five or six songs within assam right. What they did with the production of the album had never been done before. So that's why you have to appreciate it now. It's amazing it is amazing. Good call on that choice. So the second song is bob. Marley brown raggedy fan. Everybody knows redemption song. No woman no. Cry bob marley. You know love him And mr brown's got a song a lot of people don't know and i just kind of have always loved that song You know as i do. I was gonna come down here. I i actually like thought about and looked up excited kind of forgot about what the song was about. It's basically about a ghost in jamaica. That people like believe there was this ghost and there was a week or two jamaica where people were hiding out in their houses because they believe there was this ghost and bob marley basically made fun of it so it kinda relates to today for me where people can kinda fall for these lies in these fantasies in can fall for things that are real interesting. You said that. I took my kids. And i took my parents to jamaica and we had one day where we were all gonna go our separate ways and do fun. Thanks so i sent my daughter sara with my mother to the spa pedicures manicures. All that my daughter. Kelly wanted to go fishing so she and i were gonna go out on a boat and we were gonna fish so we did that my son who you and i've talked about offline and i think a lot of my audience knows i mean charlie's of music dude. He's eighteen years. Old is creating idioms. Stuff that i'm a proud father but i think it's actually pretty good stuff. He and my dad went to bob. Marley's house right and it was like a two hour drive and all that and so we all get back that night or dinner. Mimi and sarah. How was the spa. Oh my god. It was so great. We got our figures. Chuck you and kelly. How was fishing omega. The boat was so rocky. We had to come back with enduring. Charlie and dad. How's bob marley's house. It was the biggest gyp joint. The planet i mean it was horrifically cheesy and all that that being said at dinner that night my dad who is not a music guy and my son who really is said. It was. And i'm paraphrasing here spiritual. Bob marley is such a force in our world. That was as house. They're trying to make money off it. That's fine but outside of that you walk around it in you get a lot. I mean he. It was a simple shock right. I mean the sky grew up in that simple shack. And he's coming back and it's like. Oh my gosh this. Is i get a lot of what he is saying in his music. So anyway yeah. I mean you just you know can't help but take a step back and say gosh. What could he have done if he didn't die when he did. Exactly what else you got on. The third song was g love When we meet again. And i like g love and you know kind of acoustic rat. I have a very eclectic kind of music taste. I mean i like zeppelin. i used to like metallica. I think back when i was really young. Motley crue But i like acoustic stuff as well. Gee lows kind of acoustic and rathi actually but when we meet again has line in it that really kind of touches me and i wrote it down just so i could remember says my friends. They were few but to me. They were true always trying to do was just make it through always thought of the future but we shouldn't have cared all the best things in life. We shared them right there. And i grew up sign of divorced parents. All my best friends were kids of divorced parents as it turns out and We really took care of each other in grew up. Kinda take care of each other and you always kind of think about like man. The future and things will be better. Things will be better. But those dudes are my best friends in life to this day and those friendships and and what you experience kind of grown up through that is it. hit home. It hits home in that line. Hits home for me. That's cool man. The next is ryan bingham. Call the hard times ryan. Bingham's a singer songwriter from texas You know i've seen him live on the big live. Music guy of seeing seen him live a number of times. I would suggest if you can see him. Go see him Religio guy taught himself guitar. And you know the songs again kind of hits home where you know. We talked about this earlier. I think everybody is always going through hard times. And hey don't don't ever forget that you know that guy that girl that family you know whoever you know that you think has their shit together. Everybody goes through hard times in that. That song can hits home for me. michael frontier is my next song. Hey hey hey. I picked a bunch of his songs. But he's another guy that i've seen live and number of times. He's my wife's favorite musician. She plays it around the house all the time so i kind of have grown to love him. He puts on one of the best shows that you'll ever see you know does a lot of small venues still to this day and just has a great positive message. So if you ever conceived michael frontier tell you to do that. Hold on. I got spearhead comments here because michael frontier and spearhead right so the foo fighters out on their first tour right Kirk bangs died. Dave grohl recorded this album Puts the owl mao and All he goes out on tour he comes to houston. He plays numbers. Numbers holds about eight hundred people right. And so anyway. I get to the foo fighters show an opening for the foo fighters at night spearhead. Michael fronton no freaking idea. Who they were right. It was actually really good show. I had no idea what you're saying. I'm jumping up and down. It's great about nine months later. My wife and i go out to colorado. We meet some friends in denver. We're going to the lodo music festival and then we're going to just drive around colorado. We're going to go up to the mountains to all that at the low of music festival literally when the night before i'm like oh my god it spearhead that group. We saw opening for the foo fighters. Let's go seem went psalm. As great as driving around and we're doing aspen all that so his spirit. So we wind up seeing spearhead two more times i think aspen and then a one say steamboat but may have been some other places. We were wandering around so as a spearhead four times in about a nine month period. Amazing it is one of the greatest live shows. You'll ever see. That dude is so full of energy so full of passion. He's interacting with the audience and all that so. The song is great that you just said go see it live for sure. Yeah me and my wife saw him call it. Two summers ago in ocean city maryland. Where my father lives. There's a bar called secrets. If you live on the east coast you know. Secrets is probably the best bar. In the united states of america it's jamaican themed bar And man he puts on a good show So the next songs rage against the machine. Again i mean. This song's twenty years. I think almost twenty years old but you think of a rap guy and then they started to be the mix of rock and rap. Think of the run this with run dmc and Aerosmith anthrax back in those days. But i mean zac taylor. Roco tom tom. Morello is one of the best bass guitarist on the face of the planet. The way he plays it. You know who else can you compare that to. Maybe less claypool from primis Just plays bass different than how a base should be played quite frankly but you know if you can't get jazzed up like if there's a workout song if you're working out or something and you killing in the name of is the rage song that i wrote down the list right and you know if you know killing in the name of it ends with fuck you. I won't do what you tell me. Sixteen times in a row. And then motherfucker at the end of that right but i you know so there's a there's a huge bunch of energy but if you know that song it actually is in response to and not that like as a kid like i thought about this but the song is about an in response to what happened to rodney king and nine hundred ninety two and you know there's these lyrics about kind of you know some of the cops might be. Kkk his well. And you know a lot of that relates to today because you're seeing just. Hey what's coming out and over. The last. Few days gave you the list list before the january. Sixth the van where you know some of these cops or you know and military people are being taken down where it's all about social justice and the age that people feel and you wanna talk about a song that if you turn that up as loud as your volume goes if you aren't jazzed up by that you ran clear living quite frankly. Yeah no i No i agree. It's it's the interesting thing about me listening to your songs up to this point. Do you have another one on the list. One more okay. Do the one more and then i'll come back with this. His last one is mona lisa. Which is little wayne and wayne and kendrick lamar collaboration and again as a rap guy You know. I kind of like modern rap. Those guys at the best lyricist. I think and it is the mona lisa of lyricists kind of songs. Right like the two of them just kind of kill it. The opening verse which is very long. That little wayne does. It's and again there's a guy that hustles in his hustled for years puts out a ton of music And a lot of people may not like you know the the language and all that he uses. But i mean you gotta appreciate how hard that guy hustles. What kendrick does it's just You know it's impressive to me. You interesting this is what i was gonna say is. I had heard half the songs when you sent me. That list and listened to all of them in a row and what's really interesting is the theme matic points of each one of those songs as well as kind of the beat i mean even though they're very different to me a bob marley reggae song. You gotta kendrick lamar rap song. The underlying gonna be what we're feeling are all pretty similar to staff. And so what's interesting is i honestly thing is if you were sitting around and songs came on. Do you like it or not. I think i could pick him out. You know there's a theme there. There's a consistency there. And i'm gonna say this it's fucking coolest shit cause i never would have thought energy credit one would've liked that. I appreciate that You know they all have lyrics to touch me. You know that kind of means something to me you know. Maybe chad rack doesn't Mr brown perhaps now. But you know there's things that I listen to the lyrics of the songs. And like and like i said i have this kind of rap rock giana raw that i like and they all kinda fit in there so i agree with you. It's very cool jazz. Totally cool of you to do this tonight. Mean thanks for hanging out. I think we've been here all night so So for keeping you out but man this been very cool. Thank you absolutely any Any final words. In all. I would just say i would imagine a lot. The eft community you know will listen to this you know. Let's let's stay strong. Let's stay together. Let's continue to do what we're doing and You know let's let's use each other in be the community that we've been over the last couple of years We've made a difference. Let's continue to make a difference well and cut us off short Main too but we should've touched this so energy senic came on the podcast and he called for leadership and quite frankly when he said that he hit me with something i was like. Oh fuck. I mean he's right. I mean there's nobody out there leading the charge in all that you pick that up and you actually came out with raising money for folks that were gone through that through Troubled times given what we've gone through in the energy business so big time. Kudos for you that being said you gotta talk about that for thirty or forty five seconds before we go. Yeah so. I mean the first thing that i'd say is i get way too much credit right. It was simply an idea of. Hey can we raise five or ten grand and find a couple families that need some help and you know it turned into something that i had no idea of kind of where it would go. So you know. I know cynic no skilling had kind of bouncy idea around themselves because they reached out to me once i sent my tweet out so You know i knew. The community is a powerful thing and let's leverage it right and we all know folks in the industry that have lost jobs. We all folks in the industry that had gone through tough times You know the idea was just simple. Let's let's kind of help people through the holidays. Would it turned into was way bigger than what i expected in. I i certainly appreciate the The individual that matched the entire amount and an an individual deserves a lot of credit Skilling deserves a lot of credit for some of his efforts that you know some of the friday night skits that he did you know. I came up with an idea but ideas don't execute by themselves and certainly you know everyone that was in all deserves a lot of credit i was i would just suggest and say let's do it again. You know i mean let's do it again. the folks that a. j. ch- at have appreciated it. You know we were able to really double their budget for twenty twenty one. you know. there's a lot of folks out there that are in between jobs as we all know that. Need money to just get by iran. Pay some bills you know. Get on the right footing so they can go onto the next thing. The next job You know and it was done in five bucks here ten bucks here twenty bucks year. Five thousand ten thousand here. A hundred thousand Let's appreciate what we have is a community and let's not let it dissolve For any reason even if the industry continues to better or you know people get busy with their own lives. You know we've proven and again. I said this in a recent tweet the country and you know even my friends and neighbors ray like we're all at each other's throats right now over politics where all each at each other's kind of there's a lot of angst. There's a lot of anger. There's a lot of you know view that people can't work together. The country can't work together. We is a community. Prove that entirely wrong. We have people of different socio economic. You know Status we have you know folks that are rig hands to folks that are. Ceo's involved in the come eft and we all laughed right center middle We all came together so we can do it. We can show the world that they can do. It is kind of you know. I hate to be happy. But that's my view on it. Let's really get. Because i think at the end of the day. Quick draw contributed and said h h champlin. Yeah and i think that says it all but you undersold your importance of it because you at twenty thousand followers and you being con of the voice of reason of all of us really led the charge so kudos to you. Thank you all right. Geoff davies very cool of you to do this. You drove all the way to richmond. Texas hung out in the studio with me. I hope you like the bond wine. We did a major Major wind flex tonight but at the end of the day. Very cool of you to do this. Thanks take care.

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Retro RHLSTP 04 - Greg Davies

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Retro RHLSTP 04 - Greg Davies

"Hello welcome to another retro. Hoste as you know each week. I am choosing one of my favorite shows from the archives. Gives you a chance to catch up on classic shows if you're new to the gas gas or to re listen to classic shows if you've already had them but give you a little bit of background as well of h what. I remember many of them far far in the past. This one is from twenty fourteen. I believe come on. That's ages ago and it's the first appearance of the incredible. Greg davies I think. Cam bob mortimer are just to the sharpest funniest naturally funny people i've ever had on the gust Greg has been on twice. This is his first appearance. You can fight down your cells which which parents is the best. This is the one he preferred. I think i may be preferred The the second one but Let's start with this first one. We may do the second one later in the run this was. I love it when you get when the when the podcast turns into. Sort of free flowing. Jam of comedic ideas is fun when his interviews from when it's a chat is fun when some light brian blessed who will be seeing again very soon just takes over. But i like it when it's a bit of give and take and get a riff with some of the funniest people in the world is a great privilege for me. This one. my main memory is a the guy fawkes and how that went. I think this is one. I'm quite funny in this one. The i also come up with a very quick spontaneous joke that i've general never thought about before when we're discussing Australian actress Which i was very pleased with greg is just phenomenal in this Lovely man Of course we have history with tas mazda in which he was less nice to me than he was on this podcast. That sir. I hopefully will begin greg back on again soon and and we can talk. Grab that and i can try and get some revenge. When he's no longer the task monster. Of course there will be a task masters champion of coming up where not in corral at one i can. I can afford it talent. What i really think of him in that one anyway. I hope you will enjoy this. Please listening every download helps us and all the money goes to help. Make us more podcast. So sip relax and enjoy this retro. Hoste with gregory davies. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the square theater. Please welcome a man who would like to say very sorry to call him back as rigid. Hang well which carries that square. The podcast resolve. The kuchen esta quite as good as last week. Somebody it's cut it a spin spawning spun one hundred ninety degrees. It's lovely to be here Shock about so i will. I'll enjoy come to There's wearing. I don't really need to do this. Because there are other cameras filming. I'm wearing a t-shirt have you got. I can't believe someone is bought. This t shirts. What would it take for you to relate the actor keith allen how does that go in and puck when you were in public look you tend not to wear it in public. Do you have a job. Where jumped runs off. Because you can get cotton coverage you'd herring dot com dot com if you want to. You know that you know what. I'm telling evenson saying this one has jack hewlett jackie lint on the design. There is a little bit of your own. Is the problem with my fans. They are but that tackling tech long as you the if anyone was to tweet at tackling your an unfamiliar face. What's your name you think next to these nuclear physicists as david my name's janine janine all you've got like tattoos hustle office terrifying like a mouse with them loose personal last got going there do my job. I'm doing pretty well. Chris could be a cameraman if this doesn't work out. Why is the mouse gluttonous species. Because that species never thought you'd six on someone order the new digital with. You never thought. I would have what you do for a living in the bbc. The bbc become ten spotting. When you work in the county casualty shoko casualty. Used to be what you want me to be. A doctor in can be good at that. Yeah i've just asked me. What do you ever tried to stop. That is why your back hurt. So don't don't do it again. What is your role on casualty script editor. So i could rocket write script for it. That would be good. I'm gonna let's do it. Contract have them. I may donald. Sidney old hamster reindeer head. What do you make the tattoo. Think it's cute or good kicked revenue in. That is your husband's boyfriend. No look at his face. He wants to be but look at interface. Not chance i got. That face could air-cooled tattoos. Look at you all gap top. So what do you plan to purify antigen antigen impure antigens around. What was your name. So i think alex alex why am to gyms complete. Isaac county now is antigen. Generates antibodies in the body. So you should working on casualty with you. You're going to be writing a casualty. Scriptural you an adviser you read singing going to get rid of it. I'll do the funnies. I'm i'm kind of think of his name now. The guy said so. I'm hello you didn't get into this. This is another new person in the front row. hello surprisingly high voice. I'm the what's your name rebecca. Don't be. I'm not going to be no. I was not to him. He looks like a dick very attractive. Very attractive refined women. How can i as a female whereas league no different. She's wearing to strike top. It was pathetic. Does what you do what you do for living. You're naming that's nice nitsa proper job. Purifying antigens was. What good does that do anyone. She looks after real kids and stuff. And you you boyfriend. You're going to punch me in the face after the show. Because have you all these small but before then there was a real sense danger. You've done very well for saying that there is a john again and then now look at this. I mean nice some believable. That's a massive compliment like something don jr today. It is charming. I'm a comedian. What you swim. You marry charming what you do for a living. I'm a millionaire for bank sexually. You save money. It's not his has access to. That'd be very very welcome. I'm sorry for being so rude. Because if my antigen ever gets impure you're going to have the last laugh. Alex fantastic guests for this podcast and made it sound. Like some of the clubs. Don't fantastic they all go dust. We please welcome him. He is probably best known. as hercules. in nelly. Knock line is why you will come to say this. We these great davies. Welcome mike you have same shot. You have to pick up at this nice. How you doing more. Thank you self conscious because Fetching jump on arrived cold by lexi's hotter pair off this t shirt which is to say the least not flattering good strikes as one push s. Nice cheeks so at joking if that. What do you remember of hercules. In nearly not live. I didn't know i did. Wrote on. hosea showpiece job right on. Kids cartoons. Great i love to newer hercules on the tail. End of the times. The bbc where like everybody was getting paid load of money for just fucking about really and then it was just after nearly not finished everyone out. God we don't have to pay fifty percent of these people. We can get rid of all of them. I was what was the premise of nailing. Life it was a small northern girl and her welsh. Teddy bear live animation. So the two actors who played the characters would speak live into the mics. And we go out live and they would have rudimentary sort of animated responses. I mean i mean easily comfortably. One of the worst stories. I've ever told sometimes these these cheesy obscure questions us. Sometimes i think you probably best known for playing. Wd ww breaks the chatan force shortlist coverage of the ashes as my first appearance on television avenue. Funny stories from those I suppose i suppose the too funny things that spring to mind is. They made me dress. As w g grace throughout the campaign and some twas cello forward this idea that they would send me to the ashes matches and onto other high profile public events right. And that's great and once you start going. I'm the adverts who wrote the ashes as wj right but before they actually started. Before the adverts went there was still sending me things. So they sent me to the wimbledon semifinal. What got knocked out. I had to show these pre written catchphrases or the people on center court hadn't seen the affects. it was just a man just as victorian. Come all the and then we're going to look at that poor fortunate tragic that you would go to the trouble of dressing up with storage and the other thing that makes me laugh was i was out of the matches at all. My friends who furious couldn't toss about cricket all fear will these big games and the whole team walked past me one day and all of the michael vaughan and all everyone's of dumped their cap just replay on wg and they won't little smiles. And freddie flintoff was last. And i knew that he did this awful awful richard. Imagine being imagine being attacked. You type the newspapers tour much of come out with those pictures. Wti sydney another story about sounds like we can get a my sister got married arrived that they made you go to her wedding. It's consummate mehtab. These t shirts with my face in the kitchen. Your g needs you but me push your cricket bat and my dad's cousins twenty gordon here. He was obsessed with it on television. He couldn't cope with the but before the wedding. My mom said this is just a special day. Okay so we all you know very proud that you're doing advertising campaign on television and and it's great and you're you're low level comedian but Special i want you to just keep on. Keep it love kids. It's all about her and of course it's all about fine so i did it in the background all day and even when my sister's husband mentioned in the speech i didn't sign anything back that just to stay in the background i got off day and it'll be the perfect and then i slipped my dad's cousin one of these patients and when i'm giving you present but you're not to open it until after the my sister was a beautiful trips waving goodbye to everyone. Car drove paths was his and he was stunting into power. Sunroof with my with my going. They still together very pleased that destroyed. Wouldn't they also just been bad that they become useful. Yeah that's not really told that story so glee and you auto. Yes yes. I'll tell you you are totally get criticizing also grabbing tool. I never go in about ten. He was asked me about the tallest person. We've sat on this before. I think i'm the same height as steve much while you're one in china anthem. I and heavier appropriate latvian wider than he is. He's read he's very separate. I'll bet not. He's very nice man. Pd sorry could be discreet wrightson. I read breaking news today when we recorded. This you were accusing people. Were fighting them because you get a lot of in. Do remember into be talking about people saying things like. What's the weather like that you all the time. It was my first stunned rooting. Sounds like i'm still doing that. Yes and i do get. That was my first ever. Standard routine was a about an old lady came up to me and said you want a job at my house changing lightbulbs and i said i have career pounds of my own. Very funny routine. Big huge is copied off and didn't tell you about it. Do you think there is in the world to get you suffering. I think is probably too strong. I think high tedium never die for someone. Who doesn't feel the need to tell me which i i find. Intriguing in pubs often feel the nature. Just just pop the would come to if it's term of affection. You're yes i've already. i've already discussed. I had an. I had an idea but it's not to be a little special extra podcast that you can get. If you've paid some money back when idea. I have around how we could do a film together. They hear about to hear. So upping what i also size thirteen fourteen fourteen. Not that impressed. Robert and weather used to be a cobbler. Used to make shoes. He made size nineteen shoe in small feet. And that's what i say to you. Good tiny and i find it. Refreshing physical small fit all man fucking human rights. I was only like one. Toll is say why it was mainly foot you. Is this a real place. You grew up in a town called welcome. That just sounds like a stupid monty. Python made up. We must know every time we say w em. Okay sounds like attack small-time structure. Where'd you let them know. Where no where is this kind of abbott. And costello routine and then i've never experienced the home of the sweetpea. What if i finally sweet peas. Send back there this week. he was. Okay what is by. God's the garden. No godless did that thing where they split with species and it was born if you see a sweet pea from now on you from what is a sweet peas. Peyot is flowers. Flower grow peas on it. I don't know. I couldn't give a sheet euro pratt. I own private coming from jeddah home of cheddar cheese the most famous jesus oil funky although they didn't make it in this week p it's good. We will when best pitcher as well. When the what was that about eighty five there was a brewery and was a brewery base. It was world famous and every single one of my school trips. Wants to go this just in the same town. I stole a whole barrel of bear from that. When i was about. Seventeen means friends broke into the brewery installing whole barrel of beer and I'll put my back. I was the tallest and we ran across the group. The brewery security guards tokes buddies to escape. Kennedy stood my full of episode. 'cause we got home realize we didn't have an equipment. It's great really great. You still come serena brewery as well guess what. They're what they're they're pick their pitchers called. I can't think very funny decided that gorge best courses go by george george passed case stuff takes a long time together. Very very tragically. So i'm gonna go to an emergency question because we've already there's some an antipathy between us over the gloucestershire shropshire. That's how little respect is just a place as i am shropshire shropshire. It's not appropriate real. That's like in. The shop might come from when instruct share. You're going down next. Only works if i give a shit which i do i do. I love to beautiful county stones so picturesque stopper stones cypress stipe stones. Not true beauty in shropshire lovely and church threatened as a fault interest on a plate. Fault in the beautiful countryside could fall into the any moment now. Although my mother is such an obsession with extreme weather she thinks it's not only talks by extreme if you add to choose between having a ticked dispense talcum powder an infant amount. Though i mean it won't be infinitely on well. Never we've never run out. But i'm not saying that. There's an infinite amount talcum powder that would be insane with need some kind of vortex inside. Yeah but but for maini from your perspective or a finger. That could chapels re time which of those. That's a bad only my fingers through tap your finger but you can decide where it's going and you'll be able to just look through the whole and see what he's doing and you can. You can poke someone on. There is a limited amount of stuff you could do. So i can say what my be going to walks finger then tell see what we this guy folks guy disembodied drink too. I saw this awful thing. So this awful thing on the internet. When i was supposed to be writing recently guy fawkes signature when he was caught and then his signature seen this signature after he was tortured just before he was killed and the signatures. Because he's in such pain so after his. I will be able to read through go. Oh sorry about this. But he also he jumped off the scaffold and commit suicide thus avoiding a fine line between suicide you think it was the suicides. Generally a choice himself going to kill myself hanging folks angus annoying. Scroll by now step up. It's annoying god. We wasted our time putting that rope scuffled here. Also being hundred and quartered. Yeah it was going to be true. I think he was on causes. Someone saying i'm pretty sure. Your pointed of the bombings. Jewish about this folks is traveled through funds. A have any jump without the jump took the scaffold and killed himself before he wasn't getting the rope. He jumped high enough to break his neck. And i know can you be. You're just say no. If he jumped off wouldn't die. That's not what happened. He jumped off that in their own killed himself. Now it no. He didn't hurt now. Consciousness in both of you. What he did was he jumped so high he did. He took a really big jump. As a result the rope snapped. Taste the other thing. If my finger put through court his foot and oregon you show s you grow. You definitely do painters. Also when guy fawkes is called a simple he was caught by the pattern stuff and they said what's your name and he said his john johnson johnson. And that's why they pay this off the you just said in gum but like to be with my name's john johnson off. We don't accept to go back and you do. I probably just give them a little tickle into the team. I think people were those beards. Give him that go. Hi have you seen this lampton No you can go and sit museum. Supposedly flemington's amazing stuff it's supposedly. It's not just history. I haven't seen it. It was one of the most of that was the same as shakespeare's restless world or something exhibition and there was the i if someone who had there taken out was in the been set in some kind of a company it was it was awful anyway. That's enough history we'll go. We'll get back to time. Travelling parts of the body late running the show. I saw the motorbike lawrence of arabia. I don don't you. Have you ever seen dirty brick. Come confessions dot com. I have someone you've got low. They they throw. I would find it funny. I find it incredibly sexually aggressive but yours. Yours are really ropley sexy most about it. Yeah i was ridiculous. And i was hoping was my cockatiel. I've got print his well. This was three days ago. You might not have seen this one. This one is checked lately. This one is less morrissey in that picture. This i do generally i want greg davies to pour milk all over me then. Lappy slowly like a massive cass. Would you begin to that. I just really exit. They said massive casks of taibbi kissing hogs into that yes fine about liquid milk people trying to bring people together here but they don't. It's all anonymous. It's very difficult to find the person. But i just tell you. Just the word milk is reminds me of something to me makes us to run this sort of bands nights in braamfontein rubbish. Little bar bradford and all these local become downplay. We we did it once. Fortnight and all these bounds would come down to it was just one local funk band remember their name and they had Much older lead guitarist than the rest of the band. The rest of twenty something. He was sold forty five or something and we were sitting in the dresser rigged afterwards at the forty five year old had gone home and it was just a young members. Left when what's with the old guy and they went. Allegedly start the bounties. It'll legend and moment. Okay whoa what makes him a legend. I mean just a just generally and i can give me an example of his dribble. Hey this small kid who's like the who hasn't spoken felt the need to step once right once with this bird this bird back to his place and i'm shocking east shower and stuff and then he eats white van of into the kitchen. It got panel. And i mean it warmed up some and then he went back off any all. The milk cup wasn't easy at this kid is alleged warmed up is considered the most insane things so it sounds like a perfect murder. It's like in colombo something they would. You put boiling hot bilking boiling. If it'd be one of those things if if you have someone and that person. When i came in the bill under a photo i think you'd be amazed. You just go. Yeah i mean. Funnel into minus. We think my sensible thing. Don't knock it till you've tried it through leaving halfway through. It's just elite career before. Just what your elbow is this acceptable to fund. Doc fucking stunned up waste. No-one seasons all right this. This is having confirmed. This is a quite recent one. Have you confirmed that. Greg davis is indeed bake left. Be able to think of much else. I think someone is the hugh presumably i leaving. Yeah got here. So matt's right. I will get a i want to do things to greg davis for first on the list blow a respiratory belly of his the idea that the list might not have anything sexual secondly golf can i can. I blow a raspy on your belly. Single the fuck off was nice meeting about about you regret writing. I never get genuinely sexy. A couple of these almost aroused me. Greg davies school desk and his tie ties when i gave up teaching. Janua the these women doing this. This one is kind of mind blowing and off just slightly z. Gravies the same age as my dad doesn't start well. Wait and i have vivid dreams of going over two dads for dinner and craig. I don't. it's not uncool greg. It's the whole thing. It's not like you're pretending to be it's not like you're just a friend of the family google. If you're you'll be uncle frank you were like just your dad's friends. Yeah but uncle cook greg alone when the rest of the family enjoying had in the dining room while the rest of the family enjoying in the dining room. Just picture of that. I'm enjoying uncooked grain. Fucking me against the kitchen counter. It silent hurried rough and so hot. I get wet just thinking about well. It won't be silent. Great that greg davies face miteks and pussy and ask fucking. I want that man everywhere. Yeah okay well camping trip at least one of those faces on the milk cup. Now give it a gap always. We'll be quiet. Good quite good. Thanks to play on someone that you could do that and then send them to someone else and then suddenly exposed as reminding them perhaps okay. Yeah that was the most disgusting thing. You went worried about the incest. Jewish uncle greg twenty-five years older than gale fucking kit you get with the dalai unbelievable impractical off six eight man. I will link away family ever joining me want the epoch staff the extraordinary stuff the edge of your seat stuff you now the good stuff with amc plus you can watch the best of amc bbc. America ifc sundance now shudder and more hungry for horror. Feast on shutters chilling originals like creepshow season two and killer premieres like train to busan presents. Peninsula got a need for speed. The boys are back with an epic tour of the uk as top gear racist through new season. All available on amc plus ad free and on demand start your free trial today at amc plus dot com amc plus only the good stuff. So you were. You're a secondary school teacher. People don't know this about you about fifteen years and you were. The people wanted to so much wanted you to be prestigious teacher of the year. It was a girl actually was yeah. Did you win that. No because the head teacher brought me in to the room to say. I've been nominated for teacher of the year is a really big deal with the teaching fraternity and he brought me to the teacher of the year. Yeah it's taken seriously as like teacher. The and by the head teacher baldwin's office and was just pissing himself which was think this guy. He was laughing. Ask me the second thing. He was laughing. It's a six page document that she was supposed to fill in proving exactly why i have. All you know the multiple skills teacher. She don't even think i've seen those lovely nobis. She's thirty nine and then she rated reasons why you should teacher of the year. She'd written easy. Well good laugh. And he don't make us do no work. Amazing it's incredible. You can very well you and new careers. Thanks which is tinged. I like crepe people can pick up pick stitch and a bit securities. You'll find them. There's nothing that you started off as we are climbing which was a brilliant one. Outside of your didn't stand up as well but we are klang amazing especially live. Act back to say like believing remind blowing disgusting. We've law wouldn't steve. And how would you describe. Because i'm struggling what. I don't even know myself ready. Just three idiots. I'm were little limitations to our behavioral stage. But i suppose it was. The style of it was born of the fact that the first time we ever got together we badly did any writing over hersal so we stumbled onto stage in just any any any notion of professionals more or distinction between the characters. And i we then realize there was a lot of fun to be. Had by blurring the lines between characters and sketches. And it. just being. A bit more freewheeling so i was very very very proud of us as a as a lie back talks. Oh we often. I would say to you. I think that was good by. We really great life. I it was. It was a news. Remember someone's testicles is main memory of its face. someone's or something. oh yeah. He's talking deliberately pushed his that. Best impove plow. That was the kind of thing. But then tv. It didn't really translate as well history suggested who knows these things you know. It's really hard when you've all you've ever done is alive that's ever done. None of us done any television tool. And so we've got a live back right and we thought we were far. I don't know cylinders. People kept saying well. How'd you want to do this. How'd you wanna turn into tally. Show kiddo but we we were trying to maintain that that spirit of the live act by having a live audience in the in the room and interacting with the audience. We saw tried to make that work. And i don't think quite office. This is browns boys. Doing that could have been new dress. Like gigante us. I think i still don't think you know. A lot of people criticize the series when it came out. I don't think he's as some people suggest it. I i think there is things. Are i think you're really well but i. I was admitted message flawed. I think it's just very difficult. I think when you take you take something that works. Live and try. And i think a lot sketch groups have tried to go onto. Tv has never been as good as his life. But maybe that's the nature of sketches who it was. It was difficult. It was the difficult thing to do. But it's live and learn. This isn't as i mentioned. This isn't really on a power. Stephen fry may need try to kill himself so i come at the outset. That was good. I'll give you that. But no i thought honestly i really practically. It was enormous affection. I think all of us we do anymore. Though you're going to go back to you know cliche cliches now but never say never go plans to do again and i do think dignity issue now. The the fifty we got. We haven't discussed again. That's for sure but the other the recently you've been doing the man down of course where you find me kind of us this resemble this suspicious resemblance to rick my the i would say probably is. You'll rio dabs. It's ridiculous but i wasn't. I didn't look like he was a younger purse. Happens in my probably late twenties early thirties. The first time people started saying you look like a fan of as and i think just fucking morphed into how is that. Because i would. I want spit behind. I mean i was such a big fan all of the young ones. We just had one of the money. It's the best specially. Rick mayo kevin turvy and yeah kevin before the ones and then the young ones just did blue all online and so is once stood behind at a petrol station. I couldn't say i couldn't speak. I want to say well be nice to think. If i said a low to petrol station i think he might have been all right but i i can tell you what happens because when i was a university was doing some awful drama agree and i got. We got paid a pound to being some dreadful show. It was a hash. Actually so don't era extensions in. We had to go to a comedy sketch. It was fucking dog shit on the white back. I was with my friend jed. We stopped in two time. Widget-o-matic suspense or somewhere and obviously i was nineteen time. So sensational burland choosing all some which is and always doing rick. My impression going and my friends suddenly start. Stop doing that. i was going off. And then she's just looking down the garage turn round and he was behind me with shopping. Trolley and just doing offer he was my eros my era. it's awful. You hadn't done it because you haven't seen him. Toby told him this half and he has no reflexive strangely. I would've thought it would be one of the so. How is it working with them. Because i think i would still try. Wrote played only be good in the ninety dollars. I'd ask if you do it but he didn't want to do. He told me he didn't like you work with him. And he Overwhelmed even came into to make me. Yeah but he's he's. He's my hero. He's he's amazing. He greeted me. I was incredibly nervous in greasy by putting his arms very gently around me and just whispered into my ear. Comrade credible full boehner. It's good to see he was a he was brilliant with still. So i'm bishops. Loves it all much right. Yeah okay well. it's nice. Nice nice man says langley. Honest do it yes. It's not funny. But i'll do it. Richard backstage as well. I go into my toilet. And my dodd was broken into my lap to have a shitty toilets just to annoy just before we filmed. David can you tell me. What's the motivation to me. Going into having massive ship for a laugh frick with must be more to say about the relationship between father. Zombie massive. I'm sorry so sorry of involved in this beefy. You're right you're right. He's gonna american. Wealthy london londoners a combination of my loves of comedy and i asked him about. This sort of nerdy found way i sat on. What was it like being in american wealthy meant. Come back you remember. It's one sense you want to be in the background. In america yes plays. It wasn't famous when they came out and so everyone was going. I think the directors aren't you know that john lewis ya was blowing. Everyone was cheering. It's expert he's still very fun. That's what you get if you say what's my motivation for sitting in this pub and pretending not where that's gays and what was your in something i like to look through the internet. The imdb database Urine something called girls. Oh yeah what was that. I haven't seen that girls flatter short. Fill fill mike in. Interestingly he sent him me last week and said you remember this. And i've watched it yet. So right i remember it being quite good fun. Short film icon. I'm forty five now. My memories absolutely shafted. So i remember what part on was i was i. I heard someone sent me a link on the internet which american law would and someone else talking gaga said. This sounds like you sound like me really. Sounds like me won't be all forgotten like a whole day. We'd record twenty this comic in recent times young. Can i went out on. My name's my name's greg me. When you are. I'll use this as a public apology to you are we met. He goes well last year one year ago. We did a whole weekend. Gigs together. And you and i went to. I wanna one two three times. I mean it's gonna be dimensions or just extremes arrogance and hatred of maybe. He is incredibly. Boring is very difficult to him. I i find after it like a gig. Just completely gone to mush by like in this people. Come to lots of gigs by usually know their names with this. Just those weekend couple. Became always. And i couldn't remember the name. Your friends government the name little glimpse into the twilight of our lives already finger. I've east it of course slightly swollen prostate so the milk goes up detached cheese. Someone is someone been up there. Obviously feel this. This is one of my favorite things about was. But it wasn't right so i went to see i was home in shropshire and i went to see my memories video and see my family doctor. Who's been our family does been since i was twelve. He's been my talk. And i like to see him. Thanks to say may emergency. Patients enrolled something. Because okay what was not right this pain and this update and he went. Okay well i made it probably be right. Well okay but it's just very uncomfortable and there is some you know some some blood so i think it's quite amen. Yeah yeah okay. Yeah probably. I mean yeah. It probably fine i went. I'm really worried about this. Is fucking amazing. He went how you want me to put my finger medically necessary. I did. I just recently went and had the same thing like a young woman. Doctor put a finger at my ass and she said i'm sorry this much for you. You put your for your old man's apologize to me like human intimacy. I'm enjoying it up too long as you tell me. 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Look him up. He looks like a nice guy. Says he'll have a friendly chat with you about your your job. You don't have to pay him. He seems like an ice rank. Hyphen davis dot co dot. Uk buy soon as i haven't seen cuckoo. I'm afraid okay. I'd married to helen backs in daily. Spend all day in bed with helen backs which much the line that the tabloid mr tate. We can very nice by next nine with a is it. I've i have done some kissing girls in that situation and horrible. It's it's very special. it's you know. Helen was to solve after. This sheets knocked. She told me she's been found it very strange here the whole day. Did you direction at any point during a perfect. Say iraq smells so an attractive retracted. Up in ponti. The most obsessing about the whole box was my friends. Reaction said a friend. Who'd seeing that program or new. I was playing her husband every single one of my friends if they have a point and i'm december in who. I didn't know anything about when he came out. And then me and my wife just watched all one season of a saturday night. Live on netflix. Quite obsessed with that not like. I never watched before. And he's in brooklyn nine and he's not going to be in cooking anymore result. Yeah yeah i notaries. I know he was very keen to be in. The second cook was really was really good. He's really yeah he's really funny man. He's he's nice as well. He wasn't matching it. Which i don't imagine. I imagine prick much nice really. Great down was great for nothing. Sorry wait for a new american. Start to come over and do frisch. Yeah it's quiet coup. I think he just liked it. Shredding do this. He said he didn't need to and so he's coming in the second series. Let's talk about yup taylor lautner from the twilight in the candidate. You can see. We're very much you see this these larry's next that'd be nice. I'll watch it now. He's not replacing on december. He's playing a different character and december is could come back. He might be dead things ably he might not be dead. He should be called in coups than that. Is the only problem with that. And your your surname should be the ness and you should be the next and it should be cooking the next. That's out sick. No just like making a better sitcom news. Cuckoo is not. There's not a policy. If he gets called ian crooked and you go the next i say every time you say. I just keep thinking of guy fawkes income. Stop this. we can finish. If you like it going. I forgot something we can just make. I've been go for. Is it true that you got the job in between us which you have extremely funny and i have been lots of times because you are seeing next to in march the writer in a pub. Yes he's got the phone calls. They got the phone setting. The pilots offcuts go party. S why i keep myself to myself too much in this business. I should just out drinking drunk and hope so. I mean that was amazing sitcom to get into which we left. 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All the best stories. That have gone now and i think any more stories you tell it would be good see. Should just stop and i went. Okay you don't think you're likely to do anything future. And i think he's probably lady altar rest. And i went okay and then she was. Have you been reading about this. oscar stories. You know stories is of course you do in right in the major. No she was what you said about watching because you think he did you think he killed you think he did it. I still i term obviously member. If you ask them for an opinion at this stage would say you know. Maybe he did. Sounds like you may have lost his temper. Bob seeded killer has been thinking. Such a tragedy around is win. It's awful yeah. Yeah city that the world is fate is that that's the only thing the greatest of respect were disabled brethren. But my parents. 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Une tasse de Dieu s#2 ep#35 Abondante prime

Une tasse de Dieu

11:52 min | 3 months ago

Une tasse de Dieu s#2 ep#35 Abondante prime

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The Silent Twins Pt. 1

Unexplained Mysteries

55:03 min | 1 year ago

The Silent Twins Pt. 1

"Due to the graphic nature of this podcast listener discretion is advised this episode features discussions of drug use sexuality and other adult content. We advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen Jennifer. Gibbons felt the poorest grid the brick in her hands. She looked at her twin. It was time Jennifer through the brick through the window. She slowly shimmied through the whole careful to avoid the jagged shards of glass still embedded in the frame moments later. She appeared at the front door. Hore of the tractors store to usher her sister. June inside the eighteen year old twins had been planning this caper for weeks and finally finally on October. Twenty Fourth Nineteen eighty-one. The right moment had come. The two girls made their way to the office. Jennifer Jennifer dugout a small can of gasoline from inside her jacket. She carefully poured it over a desk and chair saturating the would in June produced a match and lit some papers on the edge of the desk on fire with a fantastic whoosh. The desk erupted in flames. Lick the ceiling above delighting in their fiery success. The girls ran smiling to the next room splashing gasoline as they went. June lit another match setting the main tractor storeroom alight. When everything was aflame? The girls rushed outside to examine their handiwork work before long. A small crowd gathered with them watching the Haverford West Fire Brigade attempt to stop the blaze. The twins strolled home glorying in their success June wrote of their triumph in her diary saying all the while my lovely glorious glorious fire was licking its way through the roof and the thick smoke filled the night sky. It was a picture which will live in my mind forever. Oh what a sinful evil selfish mind. But what the twins didn't realize was that their presence at the fire hire had been noticed. They were suspected immediately due to their reputation. June Jennifer were well known in town and considered sittard unique. The identical black women stood out in the all white rural Welsh countryside. But more than that. They were undeniably naively bizarre for as long as they lived there. The twins had barely spoken a word to anyone else in the village. Welcome to unexplained mysteries. Apar- cast cast original. I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't no for for an answer every Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history in life. Honor you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and and all other podcast originals for free on spotify over ever. You listen to podcasts to stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP off and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar at podcast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at our cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode wrote the best way to help is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help. This is our first episode on Jennifer and Gene June gibbons the silent twins from age eight Jennifer in June refused to speak to anyone but each other for most of their a youth the isolated themselves preferring to live out their days in a rich fantasy world rather than reality. The question is live this week will cover the Twins Childhood and Adolescence in Wales and how the combination of social isolation and a childhood game the more into an intense connection and later dual psychosis next. Week we'll dive into possible explanations for the twins behavior savior their inability to communicate with the outside world and their games tragic end the story. The of June and Jennifer Gibbons came to the public's attention after journalist Marjorie Wallace first published her book the silent twins in nineteen eighty six for most of their childhood and adolescence. The strange mute twins were dismissed as unintelligent criminals it was only after Marjorie Marjorie gained access to their diaries poems and manuscripts that she realized the two girls were brilliant. Electric riders with sharp wits and need to create June and Jennifer were passionate young women stuck in a paranoid cycle of their own creation after years of playing playing their game of silence and attempting to match in all ways. They found they were unable to stop. They believed the only way that one twin could lead a normal life was for the other to die. June and Jennifer's parents Gloria and Aubrey met and married read in Barbados in Nineteen fifty five. They quickly started a family having a daughter. Greta in nineteen fifty seven and son. David in Nineteen fifty-nine. Aubrey had grown up attending English style boarding schools and had a dream of becoming what he called a proper English gentleman open. He moved the family to Wales in nineteen sixty and joined the Royal Air Force as a technician. The move was difficult and Gloria and the children felt isolated as a black were bidian household on the almost all white. RAF Base but Gloria and. Aubrey had high hopes that they're to newest daughters. Would assimilate June gibbons was born at eight ten. AM on April Eleventh. Nineteen sixty three at Royal Air Force Hospital in Aden Yemen. Ten minutes later at eight twenty am per sister. Jennifer joined her while. Gloria and Aubrey were a charming couple loving parents. Aubrey had traditional views towards marriage as result he left all matters of household and child rearing to Gloria who became especially overwhelmed after having her fifth child. Rosemary Poll Rosie in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven with little acknowledgement from their father and a mother who had no time for individual attention June and Jennifer her turn to each other for friendship and comfort when they started school around age four. The twins teachers reported the girls were slow in speech development. They would talk to each other and occasionally to other students that never to teachers or adults while Al Gloria was initially worried she was reassured by friends and family that the girls would grow out of their shyness. The school put the girls in speech each therapy but with their overworked mother Gloria unable to focus on their lessons with them. They never practiced at home making it harder. June I'm Jennifer were constantly uprooted. The family was forced to move cities. Every few years do Aubrey's military job. This lack the stability only hindered their speech development unable to make lasting friendships at school the girls increasingly relied on each other for companionship. In nineteen seventy four. The family settled more permanently. In the village of Haverford West Wales but the eleven year old twins twins peculiarities soon. Mark them as outsiders by this time. June and Jennifer had even withdrawn from their family. They only only spoke to rosie their seven year old sister and each other Gloria recalled hearing them talking to each other through their bedroom door and compared it to the twittering of birds. Even Rosie could only catch a word or two of the strange twin language they had created. The two girls were often spotted. What'd walking incredibly slowly won a few feet behind the other in perfect synchronicity? They attempted to follow each other's lead. Need so that any motion they made was in `perfect unison. The girls refuse to eat or go to the bathroom at school. They wouldn't answer teachers features or socialize with other students. All the gibbons children faced harassment for their skin color but June and Jennifer were also bullied bullied mercilessly. For Strange Habits. Other kids would call them names and pull their hair. The school eventually allowed the twins to leave class five minutes early to avoid their tormentors of course only isolated them even more. The twins retreated further into their silence. The truly strange thing about all this was that neither the school nor the gibbons family sought to dive dive further into the girls. Bizarre affectation 's it wasn't until November nineteen seventy six when the girls were thirteen that anyone seriously obviously suggested that the silent girls might need psychological treatment. Dr John Rees a local school. Medical Officer was providing providing to brick and losses. Vaccinations in the Haverford West School Gym when he first met the gibbons twins as he described it he was presented presented with a parade of thin white arms to inoculate when unexpectedly. A girl's slight black arm appeared before him. There we're very few people of Color in this area of Wales so he was surprised he grabbed the girl's arm and looked up into face. Ready to make a joke as Z.. Normally did to ease the school children's tensions but the girl in front of him was staring steadfastly ahead refusing to acknowledge college him. He was even more taken aback when as he gave her the shot she had absolutely no reaction after for a few more children he was met my second girl with the exact same face and impassive gaze again. Her eyes were fixed. Straight right ahead giving no perceptible response as he gave her the vaccination. Dr Reese was so disturbed by meeting the twins that he spoke to the school headmaster about them. He was shocked when he heard that the school didn't seem interested in the sisters strange behavior. The headmaster told him that since the girls completed their work and didn't create problems. They didn't see caused to investigate further. When reese went to visit the girls at at home he heard a similar story? Gloria and Aubrey told the doctor how the girls spoke to each other but had completely cut themselves off from from their family like the school. Gloria and Aubrey were unworried by the girls behavior in dismissed it as shyness. It's worth mentioning here that this was one of the many times when institutional or implicit racism came into play for the Gibbons Twins Pulitzer Prize prize winning journalist Hilton. Als wrote about these instances in his article on the twins for the New Yorker entitled we to made one since soon and Jennifer weren't delinquence. The school didn't push the matter of their silence. Further Hilton suggests that if they were white British dish girls instead of the Black Children of immigrants. It's probable school would have done more. But in nineteen seventy six. The school hadn't uneven bother to speak with the twins parents about their disturbing lack of speech while Dr John Reese took a more avid interest in the girls psychological hell even. He dismissed some of it on the basis of race. He referred to the girls as zombies a term sometimes negatively associated with black elect Caribbean culture. By using this word he was implying that due to their background their issues were not psychological but mystical. He also chalked up their parents denial of the strange behavior to a cultural difference. He had heard the twins were thought to how strange behavior viewer in Caribbean culture and assume that was the reason for Gloria and Aubrey's indifference. However reese was the first to question action whether the girls behavior wasn't simply due to profound oddness but was caused by deeper psychological issues and he did persuade the family to seek nick therapy as the girls began therapy? It soon became apparent that the silence wasn't completely voluntary. Instead the the refusal to speak the isolation and the strange movements were caused by one of the twins wishing to hold power over the other Jennifer Jennifer the younger twin was twisting the rules of their childhood games to control June next. We'll dive into the twin struggle. For dominance. Hi It's molly and it's no mystery that I'm I'm an animal lover. That's why I'm so thrilled to tell you about podcasts. Latest Series Dog Tales Dog Tales tells the true stories of Heroic Canine nine who have gone above and beyond their best friend duties. The dog in my life is named Corona. He's a rust. 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June and Jennifer Gibbons silence was regarded as a strange quirk as they approached the age of fourteen however in the adults in their lives were growing more concerned when June and Jennifer where I referred to speech therapists and Trae Harn in February nineteen nineteen seventy seven and knew. She'd have a lot of work ahead of her she. I asked the girls questions about school. Their family and their hobbies. The girls both sat sullenly across from her eyes downcast. They wouldn't respond physically to anything she said. June might might occasionally give a whispered mono-syllabic answer. Jennifer remained pointedly silent and N.. TRAE harn quickly realized she wouldn't make any progress with the girls like this so she tried a new tactic using a tape recorder. The girls agreed to read aloud and speak to each other while being taped but would only do so after an left the room using this method and was able to crack the secret twin language that even the girls own mother struggled to understand by slowing down the tapes she discovered they're coded dialect was a mixture of Barbadian Slang and plain English. But the girls spoke incredibly rapidly. Stressed unexpected syllables syllables and both had a tendency to use h sound instead of an s sound and also observed that June wanted to answer her questions uh-huh but when an asked a question Jennifer would shoot June a signal with her is Jennifer was controlling June and her message was clear. You must not speak with Jennifer influencing June this way it seemed impossible to make any progress. After after two months of assessment. Dr Anne Trae Horn and Dr John Rees recommended that June and Jennifer be enrolled in a special education in program. They thought removing the girls from public school would give them a better chance to overcome their speech difficulties. So in April nineteen seventy seven June and Jennifer transferred to eastgate center a special education school. Here the girls would finally finally get the personal attention. They had sorely needed from their assigned teacher. Kathy Arthur the girls wouldn't speak or even acknowledged Kathy but during their first few months there they were observed interacting with each other and younger children in an eerie recording from eastgate eastgate. The two girls can be seen eating potatoes. Incredibly slowly each trying to perfectly match the others movements but by nineteen seventy eight eastgate therapists and teachers were at a loss. The girls were now fourteen and after a year of therapy had made no real improvement. Something had to change East Gate child psychologist Tim. Thomas sat the twins down and told told them that they would be separated. One of them would stay at Eastgate and the other would go to Saint David's adolescent unit. Another school for special special needs children. He recalled the girls didn't react at first and then almost imperceptibly their hands clenched into fists. They turn to each other with a hateful gaze Jennifer screamed and lunged June raking her nails down her older sisters cheek the to chase each other around the room screeching with rage. Tim and another teacher pulled the twins apart and they immediately mmediately went limp. The staff at Eastgate had never seen the girls. Behave anything like this. The staff was torn about separating the girls also some thought removing one would let the other succeed others thought the split would irreparably harm. The girls psyches while the girls wouldn't talk to the staff face to face. They did call them of their homes late at night and begged to stay together at eastgate but the separatists tests eventually one and on March Thirteenth nineteen seventy eight fourteen year. Old June was sent off to saint. David's it was disastrous June was practically catatonic. She would sit in her chair during lessons. Her head hanging with a constant stream stream of tears in mucous flowing from her eyes and nose the only signs of life she showed when she was allowed to call Jennifer at lunch picking up the phone. She grew animated speaking rapidly with Jennifer in their twin dialect but when the call ended and she was forced to return turn to class June took the same position not even registering the lessons. She sat through two months later. The separation experiment and was abandoned. Neither girl was making progress and being apart made them despondent. It was obvious that twins should stay together if they were to have have any chance of learning to live normal lives. June was transferred back to eastgate in nineteen seventy eight in nineteen seventy nine June and Jennifer. I began to show an affinity for writing while they wouldn't respond to their teachers vocally. They'd often address Sir questions via notes or daily diary entries in these written accounts. The girls expressed their thoughts about their school and each other June was desperate to prove she had an independent identity from her sister. She denied the assumption that their personalities were intertwined writing. We both know we are individuals. We are not trying to tie one another down either. We do not depend on one. Another Jennifer felt differently. June and Tim. Thomas Recall Jennifer yelling at June over and over saying you are Jennifer. You are Jennifer you armie. June said one day she'd wake up and be me and one day I would wake up and be her and we used just to say to each other. Give me back myself. If you give me back myself I'll give you back yourself. Despite gene's insistence stones. It appeared each twin sense of self was irrevocably tied to the other and and there was nothing. More of the specialists at eastgate could do for them. June and Jennifer left the eastgate center in Nineteen seventy nine at the age of of sixteen. They had dismal marks and their teachers recommended. They shouldn't try to pursue any sort of higher education and with our inability ability or refusal to speak with anyone. Besides each other most jobs would be impossible so June and Jennifer started the next chapter of their lives with no real prospects or support. They retreated into each other once more locking themselves in their bedroom room and leaving only once a week to collect their unemployment checks. They stopped talking to their family entirely even their sister Rosie. The diaries the girls had kept eastgate turned into an obsession. The detailed the mundane events of their lives in the bedroom sometimes was writing multiple drafts to get their thoughts perfectly right before committing them to the pages of the diaries. They meditated on how they longed for a connection with their family downstairs. After years of silence they feared the divide was too wide to cross but instead of making an effort to connect the girls created rich fantasy lives with a revolving cast of dolls. These toy families had storylines is to rival the most outrageous soap operas with characters marrying divorcing. Having children and dying at a dizzying rate. The girls wrote a play starring the dolls and radio news and cooking shows. They might listen to the twins in the bedroom found themselves in a state of arrested development and they resented they're changing teenage bodies inbound their breast to keep their chest flat they both wrote about new sexual feelings and were often a free. These thoughts were abnormal and sinful. They spent every minute with each other eating sleeping writing playing and even violently fighting downstairs. Glory would tell curious guests that the noises coming from above where the twins working. She'd she'd say they're just shy that's why they don't come down in one thousand nine hundred eighty just after the twins seventeenth birthday. They turned a new corner now. The Gibbons House in Haverford West was filled with the unabating sound of two typewriters clicking away to the wee hours of the morning the twins were certain that in just a few years they would become famous bestselling writers working at a breakneck pace. The girls quickly churned out manuscript. June wrote a novel about a disaffected teenage delinquent in America called called pepsi-cola Addict Jennifer's book was called Disco Mania and followed the exploits of group of violent teenagers driven mad by disco music like their authors. The book's characters often struggled with failures to connect that lead to disaster. The people they wrote about often struggle to cross a communication divide between themselves and their families June succeeded in getting pepsi-cola addict published by a vanity. Press Jennifer sent her manuscript off too many legitimate publishers but was never successful. It's possible symbol that the girls would have been content to silently right there days away locked up in their bedrooms if they hadn't made a new discovery in nineteen eighty one and boys. Both girls recorded obsessions with saks in their diaries. The twins longed for attention from the opposite sex and awkwardly began to court it. The girls began leaving the house armed with a pair of binoculars they would hunt the boys. They fancied spying lying on them through windows. Too afraid to approach them but still desperate for connection they even bought a set of occult and hypnotism books and tried into practice spells to make a selected boy appeared their house. One boy they fixated upon was Ted Davies and American. An EX PAT teenager. Ted was a troublemaker who had been enrolled at East Gate with the twins. They remembered how he had stood up for them. When other other classmates bullied them please note that Ted Davies and all the names of his family members have been changed to protect their privacy beginning on their eighteenth? Eighteenth Birthday April Eleventh Nineteen eighty-one they would spend all morning dressing in elaborate attention. Grabbing get ups wants wants their outfits were perfected. They would hire a taxi out to Welsh. Hook a tiny village approximately ten miles from Haverford west and notably where the Davies family lived on their first visit to the house June and Jennifer found an unlocked front door and no one in home. The twins nothing of entering this relative strangers house and quickly made themselves at home inside. I they made themselves peanut butter sandwiches and poured glasses of orange juice. They marveled at the posters of Hawaii on the walls in American style. Bomber jackets jackets by the door. The girls rummaged through the Davies boys drawers stealing snapshots and trying on their clothes when a car pulled into the driveway. Oy outside the twins jump to their feet. Panicking the attempt to flee out of the kitchen window but were caught by Joe Davies. Ted's heads father and his wife Jackie rather than calling the police. The Davies decided to interrogate the girls themselves. June and Jennifer sat on the couch with their eyes downcast refusing to answer questions about who they were and where they came from. It soon became clear. Clear that the girls wouldn't tell the Davies anything. Joe and Jackie took pity on the odds silent twins and order a taxi to take them home. They told the girls to never come back. But when Jennifer and June adopted a new interest it quickly turned into an obsession. The twins return the next day and every day for weeks after even the news that Ted had moved to Philadelphia. Didn't stop stop them. They quickly turned their attentions to the three handsome brothers he had left behind. They hoped that by showing up at the Davies House they they could entice the boys into our friendship or even a relationship they would stand outside on the Davies doorstep every morning even when it rained when joe realized and banish them the twins would wait under the bridge down the street hoping one of the Davies boys would notice them against. I all odds it worked seventeen year old John Davies and fourteen year old. Bobby Davies were intrigued by the silent staring. Girls US one day when their father and stepmother were gone. They invited the twins inside the house. The girls patients had paid off and here they were sitting inside with the boys of their dreams. Now if only they could talk to them but the boys always had a solution for that. John and Bobby introduced June and Jennifer to vodka and sniffing glue and paint thinner. Suddenly the girls were talking freely when they were high with Davies. They felt Mike Normal teenagers laughing jokes and talking in their peculiar rapid fliers tocado one night while they were all drinking brandy and smoking pot Bobby Davies brought the twins to a nearby church. He attempted to have sex with June but was unsuccessful but with Jennifer it was different. She wrote in her diary how thrilled she felt that bobby had taken her virginity and how she hoped he would be her husband. Two weeks later June also lost her virginity to bobby lobby in the church. She resented the fact that Jennifer had lost hers. I in their lifelong rivalry. She saw this as a defeat. Jennifer had the upper hand and when bobby rejected June in favour sister she felt it as deep emotional blow one night while the two girls were walking along. The river June snapped. She rushed Jennifer with a stick intending to beat her Jennifer screamed. If you kill me drive away your husband and destroy all your babies June through down the stick and lunged at her sister pushing her off the low oh bridge into the river. June grabbed hold of Jennifer slim shoulders and pushed her twin under the water holding your head down as she struggled. Who knows? How long does she would have held her? There had a car not crossed the bridge at that moment illuminating the two sisters fighting in the dark June June letter sister go and Jennifer rose spluttering to the surface despite her anger and hatred. June couldn't kill her twin twin. I love you. She told Jennifer. I love you too. Jennifer said holding onto June as she guests for air. The strange silent twins of Halford West were hopelessly intertwined both unable to tolerate or live without the other they had such intense rivalry hatred and love for one another that it seemed. They could never be free over the next few weeks. June Jennifer dragged each other down ever darker path but at its end. Lay a horrible cage. Mirroring the imprisonment of their twin ship. Next will follow the twins as they turn to a life of crime time now back to the story June and Jennifer Gibbons had spent their adolescence in lockstep they moved with synchronized I precision and refused to speak to anyone but each other in their bird like machine gunfire twin language after graduating from secondary. The school the girls found that drugs and alcohol enabled them to pierce the barrier that held them back from other normal people their age if only for a little while L. But even in their pursuit of the Davies brothers. They couldn't shake their habits. They were bound unable to be truly happy together. or apart perhaps dude their self imposed isolation eighteen year olds June and Jennifer weren't able to see how poorly the Davies boys voice were treating them though their relationship with the boys lasted less than two months it was tumultuous time Bobby often beat Jennifer and would sometimes take switch June. The brothers would call them names and refuse to give them food. Even when the twins spent the entire day at the Davies. Abe's house bobby would have sex with Jennifer. While June watched unflinching. He would sometimes have sex with June as well though. Jennifer was the prime object of his violent affections but on July sixth nineteen eighty-one. The brothers announced that their father Joe. US Navy officer had been assigned to a post in Virginia and the whole family would be leaving with. The twins. Treated the boy's departure archer with great ceremony. Both girls cut off locks of their hair to give to the Davies boys and they begged the boys to give them something to remember them by. Bobby gave them an old school blazer and a t shirt which Jennifer declared. She would never wash John gave them. I'm a winter jacket but demanded five pounds before he led the twins take it. The girls treated the old clothes. The boys gave them like prized his possessions. In return June gave John The gold watch had received as an eighteenth birthday present which he promptly threw aside for the twins life without the Davies was gray and dull. Having tasted twisted shadow of love love and friendship they longed for more June Jennifer took to wandering the streets of Haverford West stealing unsecured bikes and sniffing glue. They began binge eating seeking to drown their loneliness in food in her diary. Jennifer wrote about feeling deep coldness inside her. She saw other people as only her enemies and believed she lacked the warmth needed to have meaningful relationships chimps with anyone other than after a number of disappointing sexual adventures with village boys. June wrote about being fed up longing. I'm for a real romantic relationship with a man. The boredom was becoming suffocating. The twins felt they had to do something it. On September Twelfth Nineteen eighty-one the twins broke into the port field special education school near Haverford West. Jennifer used a rock to smash a window squeeze inside and unlock the door for June June. wrote about it in her diary. A Lousy Day broke into the port field special school inside. Was this wonderful. TV manage to watch the beginning of film with John. John also nick a few. Jackie megs really fantastic. Why do this nothing else to do? No friends nothing to fill in the cold. Our winter is here and all the birds will fly back south. I wish I could be with him to break up. The monotony of their new young adult lives. The girls escalated their faure's into petty crime. They never sought to cause real damage. Or make off off with significant sums. Instead they vandalized and stole to pass the time June Jennifer broke into more schools. Calls like Porterfield usually stealing a few small items and writing graffiti still refusing to speak to their parents or most adults face as to face. The girls delighted in calling the police station and taunting them with details of their small time misdemeanors but the thrill of stealing pulling snacks and magazines didn't last long June and Jennifer were desperate to find a new purpose like their interest in writing in the Davies Boys. This new journey into crime was quickly becoming an obsession and with each break in. They were growing bolder throughout October. June began to write about wanting to create a gasoline bomb quote. I'm planning on making petrol bombs a bottle petrol and paper then hurl it through the window. I'm going to be the biggest arsonist around and on October. Twenty Third Nineteen Nineteen eighty-one. They escalated their activities from theft to arson. The girls waited until nightfall to break into the tennis complex. Complex in Haverford West. They routed around before finally locating the kitchen dismayed that there weren't any chips or snack cakes. Left have to steal. They decided to try lighting their first fire. The twins sprayed lighter fluid across the tables and stoves they lit a match and set a small blaze which quickly destroyed the kitchen. The next night they turn their sights to the tractor store on snowdrop lane June and Jennifer had been writing about wanting to burn the shop to the ground for weeks after their practice. Run at the tennis courts had gone so smoothly excitedly went forward with their plan in the dark of the night. The two delinquent twins broke into the tractor shop. They quickly slashed gasoline all over the office and main storehouse before setting the shop alight. This was their resistance for weeks. They had been testing the authorities of Haverford West getting away with larger and larger offenses as they watched the fire engulfed the store. They felt untouchable here was proof that the twins could do anything they wanted. Finally they felt powerful while the twins were in their own world. Villagers had taken notice of them. The twins had a reputation for stealing bikes and making trouble and now a number of eye. Witnesses placed them at the scene of the tractor store fire. There was a storm of petty crime happening at Haverford West. The gibbons twins were at the center of it they were brought in for questioning by the police extensively for abusing the nine nine nine nine emergency line at the station. They refused to answer any of the police's questions so they were released with a warning and went right back to crime on November Eighth Nineteen eighty-one. The girls broke into a a technical college. However this time they were spotted by police constable constable radioed for backup and a few minutes? Later reinforcements arrived. The officers quickly entered the college and rushed to the room where the constable had spotted a broken window silhouetted sweated in. The policeman's flashlights. Were June and Jennifer Gibbons. The girls were caught red-handed spring. The room with a can of gasoline in in their possession was a bag full of stolen property a number of cassette tapes stationary and half a pack of mints. After two short months the twin powered crimewave came to an abrupt end in her book. The silent twins wins author and psychologist Marjorie Wallace wonders about the twins motivation for breaking into technical college that night they had seen the constable making his rounds. Out Front yet trespassed anyway. Marjorie believed that the girls wanted to be caught like with at their unorthodox pursuit of the Davies Boys. The girls wanted to be noticed by someone. Anyone stuck in their silent game with each other friend. Unable to express their wishes to anyone else they turn to crime to get attention. What the girls didn't know? was that the eight weeks of petty petty theft arson and property damage. Were some of the last. They'd spend in freedom on November tenth June and Jennifer were denied side bail. The police believe that if they were released they would re offend the to eighteen year olds were sent to Pucklechurch Remand Centre one one hundred thirty miles from Haverford West to await their trial. The female guards recalled that Jennifer and June were catatonic when when they arrived at the prison an hour after I shutting them in there sow one guard checked on them. Only to see there were both standing exactly Michaeli in the position she had left them in. They didn't respond to questions or to dinner being pushed through the door. The guards worried. The girls didn't understand understand English or had some sort of learning difficulty after a few hours of this one more entered the room and asked if the girls would like to rest when they didn't respond she enlisted the help of another guard to lift them both into the bunk beds that were bolted into the wall. June and Jennifer remained stiff and statues and the guards had to physically pushed their heads back onto their pillows. Both twins stared dared ahead. unblinking a guard used her fingertips to slide their eyelids closed. While they waited for their trial. June Jennifer felt powerless. They turn to food to exert control over their lives. They'd switch off with one on eating both twins meals for a day or two while the other eight absolutely nothing. They were both competing to see who could be these skinnier and in there is better twin everything. The girls did spiraled into a quest for domination at Pucklechurch. The sisters began the end to struggle against the rules. That are lifelong twin. Game June would have small moments of rebellion against Jennifer. They'd fought often at home. But in Pucklechurch they couldn't keep from attacking each other when they were put in separate cells. They both recorded extreme paranoia and anger at the other twin. Both were certain the other was eating when it wasn't her turn or being treated better in her section of the prison. As part of their incarceration the twins were required to attend association which was a supervised free time in the recreation room during association the Ation they would sit at the closest table to the door hoping to avoid any attention. Each would take a turn facing the room while the other would take the more desirable position a facing the wall but one night June decided to make a change. According to to the rules of their compulsive games they had to walk at exactly the same speed June. Purposefully traveled slowly down the corridor forcing Jennifer to move her pace by the time they reached the recreation room. Their usual table by the door was already taken. The two girls made their way across the room to another table on the far side. It was Jennifer's turned to face the wall so she turned her chair around and and sat a surprising. Noise came from behind her. She turned back to see that instead of facing the room like she was supposed to June. You was dragging its share towards the wall. She sat down facing it. Breaking the rules of the long standing game. June stared at Jennifer offer at once terrified of her sister and daring her to make a move. Jennifer did nothing but calmly picked up her book and began to read Jennifer wrote all the rays of her fear attracted me like a net. She knew I knew all I had had to do was snap all the girls would see me fighting screaming hissing and attacking like a cat. Who is sure of its revenge on a very weak rival? She would be dead and I would be free in my own mind. However that night Jennifer did not snap she simply stewed reading her own book until Association was over Jennifer felt rage at the slightest deviation from their twin rules rules she felt she had to bottle it up in front of the other prisoners but increasingly fantasized about beating and even killing June and in June often felt the same in prison diary? June wrote one of us is plotting to kill one of us a third on the head on a cool evening dragging the lifeless body digging a secret grave. I'm in a dangerous situation. A scheming insidious plot what how will it end at. Nineteen I want to be an individual independent from that bitch but in the same passage she contemplates how she can't live without Jennifer. How can I get rid of my own shadow? Impossible or not impossible without my shadow. Would I die without my shadow. Would I gain life and while Jennifer was equally upset. She also couldn't couldn't imagine a life without a twin writing somewhere. I have a real twin in this world. Jay Can't be my real twin. My real twin in was born the exact same time as me has my rising signed. My looks my ways my dreams Miam- visions wins. He or she will have my weaknesses. Failures opinions all. This makes twin no differences. I can't stand differences but fighting with each other. Didn't encourage them to speak to anyone else. During there. Seven months incarcerated at Pucklechurch. The girls refused to speak to their lawyers face to face preferring to phone them from another room room at this time. A psychiatrist named Dr William spry became intrigued by the twins behavior. And arrange to meet the girls like every other authority figure. He wasn't able to get a word out of them while face to face. Despite this spry thought he knew enough about the girls to declare that they they had suffered from some sort of psychopathy. He tried to convince the girls and their lawyers to plead guilty. By reason of insanity the lawyers could ask for the twins to be sent to Broadmoor hospital a high security mental institution in London. They're the twins would be treated and cared I heard for in the hospital would be a much safer place for them then. Prison to the girls. It sounded like a Victorian fantasy from the information. Dr Spry had provided they pictured themselves sitting on the lawns at Broadmoor being served lemonade by nurses in starched white uniforms uniforms. They wrote in their diaries that they saw the hospital as a chance to finally be normal there with an army of doctors and psychologists allergists to help them. They'd finally be able to talk but the girls didn't know what was really waiting behind. The walls of the hospital spital broadmoor had long acted as a place to lock up the most violent criminally insane offenders from across the United Kingdom instead of peaceful rehabilitation the girls would be sharing the halls with inmates like the murderous mobster. Ronnie Kray and Peter Sutcliffe off the Yorkshire Ripper blissfully unaware of the horrors that awaited them at Broadmoor nineteen year old June. Jennifer agreed to plead guilty. Not yet they're trial. June and Jennifer Gibbons finally stood before the judge on May Twenty Seventh Nineteen eighty-two they pled guilty realty and asked to go to Broadmoor hospital in the courtroom behind them. Gloria and Aubrey watched with bated breath the lawyers had assured them that after just a year or two of rehabilitation at Broadmoor. They're twins would finally be returned to them. Free Women after listening to the girls guilty pleas for their crimes of theft vandalism and arson. The judge heard the lawyers case for sending girls to Broadmoor when he was assured assured the institution was ready to care for such young inmates. The judge agreed that the hospital sounded like their best chance with a pound of his gavel. Apple he's sentenced them to broadmoor what the twins and their lawyers hadn't expected was the length of their term after weighing the evidence of their misdemeanors mental illness. The judge sentenced them to Broadmoor indefinitely. The girls would only be the free. Once the doctors at Broadmoor decided they were cured and the twins were convinced that they would not be cured until one of them died. Join US next week. As we try to unravel the double helix of June and Jennifer forgiven the two twins who strove to become one. Thanks again for tuning into unexplained mysteries. We'll be back Thursday with part two of the silent twins for more information on June and Jennifer Gibbons amongst the many sources we used we found Marjorie Wallace's book the silent twins and the BBC documentary without my shadow extremely helpful to our research. You can find own episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite red park has originals like unexplained mysteries for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker stream unexplained mysteries on spotify. 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Episode 579 - Steph Davis

Marathon Talk

1:06:45 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 579 - Steph Davis

"It's wednesday the thirty first of march. Twenty twenty one. I'm martin yelling. She's tony rush. This is episode. Five hundred and seventy nine of marathon. Talk this week show. It was the team. Gb tokyo olympic marathon trials in q. Gardens last friday. We hear all about it from andy andrews who was a roving reporter at event only speaks to the women's winner steph davies and Marathon is no more plus. There is a uk review all cross country distances. Holy rashly up to i have been. I've been doing some stuff since we lost. Hold so noise to say he's good. It is good i am. I think just picked up my van before. But i've in possession of my campaign von now Which i'm thoroughly enjoying. And all i know is like is something that we've been talking about for like a year. We never have also. You never need to talk about. It's just stat because they're not cheap or even though we got all sort of knock it was expensive. But you know it's a big thing to do and we already go to college so we sold those 'cause be picked up the cause that we've become a to Family and rita still yeah. Let's just do it because we want to go and do some ventures in this country especially this year is going to be quite limited to got and Said we just We got we saw this when pop up on facebook marketplace anwr goods. So it's so exciting. I love it properly. Like quirky capri anyone. Who's gonna win instagram. We'll see it's very. Would he say as in sort of rustic is not shy with neon lights or anything like that. It wasn't this year. You did send photo you did. And one of the questions was like a front window of course does it have windows. No no the bank awesome but the duals eighteen said all bad. It's actually quite different tools to provide and so low people have come to the beds. The back all bed is at the front so we wind doesn't need the site. Say yeah it's really cool to use it from running events and things like that. Yeah yeah and coming. See as we're gonna rock up outside your house and see your house. Your definitely invent stephanie. For like we can adventures. Like i really liked the idea of being the bracken's or something the night before and then being able to get up early and go out on the hills and stuff so that's what we do and yet disturbance ventures and then as we could up together. Maybe go event to the outs as well I am a name was. I think i did. I did quite one Lousy candidate was twenty twenty miles progressive. Wrong i mean i say progressive. It was progressive in me. I did get faster Another got louis slower because after massive hills get home tonight is try to include that in my smits and says the new. Pb what does that mean is not running. Jim baby oversee suspension. I engage properly into my benching. So i benched Forty five kilos as my one. Max i'm just about take up to seven and a half years is nothing to you martin. Because you don't do anything like this. And i've been rapping full t one and a half. Kino's he fat when my could banning if the ball which twenty heat is so. I'm i'm myself. I don't like any difference. I don't have bake replaying like popeye muscles which a bit obsessive already A just under quite shocked. I mean like i said i'm not going to get any running. Tv's forever so. I need a ps elsewhere. And as jim say i'm really lucky i've able to use a bar and say i'm quite pleased about whilst straightening on trading miles so yeah And the other thing today You've probably all heard. I bet there's a big shoe launch today for acid. Why we're full avenue exciting. I spent my day talking. Teapot up to speech sky. Watch this space. So i think actually angie his talked about the shoe because quite a few of the Athletes tariff is very in the trials. And a couple of the girls say it's the bible to the shame. I should just say that. I should leave it that. I'm sure took more about the show. Later on in shows been been running. Been kind of bat. Running gear actually did a progressive paced. Interesting progressive pays ten mile run. I say aggressive. So what i did was i a goal of. I thought what would stretch me for ten miles at the moment through a seventeen minutes. I reckon so right the average for that seven minute mile. I wonder if i can start off between eight-minute mailing and then run the next mile Seven-minute mailing right and then the next slower than seven minute modeling but not slowing mining downs. Soft yes sir. Alternating service faster than seven minute mining slow than seven-minute mining but not slow than eight minute mining. So it's like a flute section. Do not mean where you do. A bit of an effort. And then he float for mile and a bit of an effort from ireland float on and complete that ten miles with the amol seeing if i could do him teams averaging out yet yes sir if i was going to run a six thirteen in the flex a seven thirty six forty five conducted over seventeen well. It doesn't matter what the difference is. So if i ran a six fifty five you know i just thought i wonder what what what would happen. So that's fine. It's fine now. Which is great. And i finished with seventeen twelve so just outside what thought i might run but yeah right. Gave me a little bit confidence. Actually confidence to push it So that's a chased a couple of segments. That was running faster over in the summer. Missed and by two minutes couple of lot like three three miles. Women's five k. So you know i. I've got some what to do but still enjoying attorney what i'm really enjoying. I am really enjoying the clocks going forward. Isn't it lovely so nice and the sun today. It's just better for rather than running and things like that and those of us. That don't need love the winter which is made So i have never spoken to anyone about the relationship between rhythms and seasonal rhythms and biorhythms. But i'm definitely certain that something around kind of winter the summit shift. The definitely isn't that is actually someone. I wanted to get on the show. Listen to podcast. I've forgotten his name who talked. He's a sleep doctor such thing and actually in the podcast he was saying is it was really interesting. He was saying that we shouldn't ever really in the dark with the morning evening. Because it's just the best time for toll physiologically it's just in time of see that's really impossible for mesa this but it's true for may well there's the day today acadian rhythms that you develop around in light to the most fantastic words ever. I think it's something like zaitsev. keep it is. It's still haven't it's appropriate word. I think it was in certain until have started exploring a little account. Remember even at the moment but like the circadian rhythm that runs you know from day today but also seasonal variations in from winter to spring into summa. And you know. I i started having a little google rand. Wonder says seasonality niro Biology of response to how you feel when you go running. 'cause i always tend to feel much better in the summer During the winter. Of course there's something could winter seasonal affective disorder. Which makes people like me a little bit more grumpy in the winter than in the summer. I really noticed it this year. I've noticed a sees new variation in running. So i thought i wonder if the two related that be an interesting interview day anyway moving over the rest of the show who got lots to talk about. We have running in the mid pack. With in fact. We've got. Angie andrews my co author of running in the pack on the show a little bit later on because she was down on the ground so to speak at this past friday's team. Gb tokyo olympic marathon trials andries. Was there so she's going to bring us the the press story But running the pack is. Thank you very much if you copy. You can get one if you haven't twenty five percent off at bloomsbury dot com foods last mid pack right. Should we talk trials. So do you watch the whole event on friday did today. I did and y- being that. We had tom join us a couple of weeks previously talking about the complications around the streaming and pool. Like little bit of to tom before. We actually get into the show to the racing because when he joined us a few months ago he said i'm going to put this thing on and he did it didn't he actually At least minor he yes he did he pulled it off for for what was a relatively small number of athletes. You know when we see so many big races and things going on the intentions are to you know take entry fees and that and the other for this one. It was smooth fields in both the men's women's with a single intention of running the olympic qualifying time which brilliantly. But chris thompson and steph davies. Date i mean i was. It was fantastic. She because i was watching them on. The treadmill was so inspiring. I missed the walks. 'cause they weren't earlier but i got straight onto the to the maratha. And like you say. I think that being the had been some doubts may be about the cool about You know just the timing of the race excetera but actually looking at looking at the results in king tashi steph davies on the people the race. It seems like it when it was definitely a success and everyone really enjoyed it and some people can't have some phenomenal times especially the women and the men on shore the an ngo tesla bit more nor is it but it was fantastic. Watching the coverage was great. As well was really good to actually be able to see british rama's g king out absolutely ryan in tokyo spoke about this previously on the show. Sometimes that elite domestic top level racing gets lost when the race is consumed by another race. You if you're watching a race within a race whereas we were really able to focus on the brakes race and the top contenders in change. So yeah it made for just before we bring in jian actually may fantastic viewing because laps were taken off. a little. Bit of interest will talk a little bit more. A thomas in steph steph davies run in particular at now but the way for me the absolute highlight there were two but the absolute highlight was tomatoes. Last one hundred meters when you saw him run towards the tape and on his face. Yeah you could just see. It can unique crossed the line just before he got about twenty meters before he crossed the light inside the olympic qualifying time. You know running. I think to ted end what he run to ten african to ten fifty to ten fifty new. I think you choose chicken. Fifty multi seconds. I think inside forty seconds inside the olympic qualifying time just five days after the birth of his son. Theo and just about a month or show three weeks before he turns forty. You could see 'em light shouting and crossing the line an incredible show of emotion and then that was followed up with the second most brilliant thing which is post to. Isn't it enough that it was just amazing to see like. I've lost a love a little bit for elite running to be honest in the last few years and this reignited a passionate. So thanks bedford. Thanks chris thompson. And thanks chris davies and everybody else who who ran but to tell us about it what it was like on the day what we chat to and gender is welcome to the show. Hi there al. Thank you for having me so you were there. You were dine that what was it like. Yeah it was. It was pretty amazing. I think it was Sense of light. this is once in a lifetime. We probably won't say anything like this again. I am particularly on a close coast as it was. It was yeah. It was awesome actually planting to do it. Small intimate yet effect. Yeah it was. I was really impressed with the ami. Mizuno got there. You are everyone who arrived with taken street for covid testing which was done in like a massive building with loads of space and then as soon as he got your thankfully negative test everyone goes straight out on the coast and the way that it was done was that everyone had access all areas and so it automatically everyone was spread out so i went and walked a lot of the cost and i it just kind of yeah just worked in that way because the coast was three thousand meters long as you know so everyone kind of found their little space but it was yet incredibly well organized very very slick organization and joe gonna ask. Should i think we talked a little bit about this yet. About the coal you said that us coast the new those talk about this sort of tacona that it because they changed the course of the last week or so i think slightly shorts and what was that corner night because we didn't really get to see it that much and what did you think of the colds as well. Yeah i mean definitely fast are home. When i arrived. After woke the law. I found him in went. Said hi in. He said i wasn't lying was isolate. Really is a fast call. What was really interesting about. It was resolves you've seen on the television Long straight sections warning was probably felt a little bit downhill the athletes as well very very gradual but yet at the corner that you mentioned came after the long straight. So you'll have seen again on. The television that feed station was was pretty awesome. See how this worn long stretch on the course and we saw that yet. Every athlete had their close sworn in a separate area. Two hundred netball also. There was a new kind of crossover potentially getting thrown butler anything like that. Because they had day person so dora griffiths hoodies girlfriend day. You know people have family. People have called do not job and at the end of that section. That was where the shop is right. Ten k. so so they did the show lack faced Twelve three thousand laps and i went and stood there like probably the first full And so the they were still very kind of impacts at that point in even the packs they were able to make those chains really easily in. Obviously you've seen on the coverage how quickly those packs brew meant that is as soon as the Broken out they had even more space to do it so it was just not a problem. I think in fairness to people who had their worries about until you've seen it. You probably wouldn't understand how well that works and just as as martin's deluca to as well i think because it was such a small field as soon as that saying as soon as those little packs rule can you had people operating in pairs or little pace groups. It was. It was so broken of any way that it it turns just weren't an issue at all. But i'm intensify conditions as well i think it lends itself Wind was a bit of a factor particularly athlete. Two and became adrift of the paxson found themselves. In no man's land addicting. The wind was a bit of a factor for some people put their. You have the flip side of that because it was a loop that on the other side of the coast were incredibly sheltering. The trees as well so of the Anything about the weather. But other than that i think it was it was definitely you know as long as you happy running laps. It was a superb course staff. I mean you'll hear about an interview. She said that she felt conditions. Are pretty good. She did say obviously having t paces with her did really help and then. When josh stepped off she did say she felt a little bit land. I mean she felt strong going around. That i was gonna ask you while as he was so close to the athletes and although we the coverage was amazing which was great but couple of times. We missed the brakes. So the one point assaying to staff that we saw i told my Detach adiel an. It was tomo and ben and they were together and i though perhaps they dropped back to tomo but he'd worked through an old before that dow in our he dropped out way. What were you when you were watching all of this happening with the obvious the people that are struggling it was hard for us to see because of the nature of the coal so we didn't get to see well. I think i think my experience is probably quite similar to yours. Because i missed a few of those things happen in his well just from being the opposite side. Of course i had tried early on to to keep the coverage going listening to reform at the same time and it just became too confusing. But no think answer your question. You could definitely tell struggling. Because i think you feel it when you're close you because you've you can almost see so mosley's especially can see kind of occasional if desperation. I think when are old but it was interesting. Because obviously chris had become detached quite early on and then the next thing i heard was like at adhered fuse. It athletes in manages toll to each other. And saying i think thomas if a surgeon and i'd like try to it's like this ripple goes through because there's so few people there that you you're over here in people's conversations and i'm just kinda thought new year's washington reysen kinda yet. This is exactly what he's gonna do in similarly ask with the with the females. Think that the women's race. I think it was steph. Looked very very comfortable or all the way through really you could save as soon as she got the opportunity to go that she was going to. I think i believe in the in. The technical mainsheet actually asked to go through halfway little bit faster than than a gold. She does send full so enough. Renfrew seventy fi- something as soon as she got the k. And had the definite switch way definitely when the pace is stepping and obviously she suffered down maintained it and it was just you know the same thing happened with chris. It was just a phenomenal thing to watch really really exciting. When chris closed that gap they went away. You know and then. He closed that gap and came back that. But that's an incredible feeling and one the no you don't get very often in racing. He spoke about it afterwards. Was it really obvious. That was a moment like a clearly defining moment in the race. He says in his post race that he learned to race the luke like he said. I learned that. I learned to run the call to learn to run the loop and the pace. The guys were going initially too quick for me so backs. Dang and that such a confident wise strategy particularly for maratha running and one that when it did come back together he clearly just had not only did he pace it really well but he also was really able to deliver. Yeah you're you're right isn't it. Because he's got years and years of experience behind him and he knows knows how to raise. He knows what to do and he was confident the that was what he needs to take racism race and seeing what happened but genuinely i mean i don't know how many people well i know. He certainly didn't think that that was gonna happen of he said in his interviews as well stating he he likes that. How does this happen. And it was so. That was so brilliant about watching it that he's He believed in himself and he pulled her. And i also think will so having his song born on. Monday is probably like recite. Like just gonna to do. This is now or never and i loved about. It was such a brilliant emotional finish to see him talks openly about how he felt. Because he's you know he doesn't know me get emotional. It was not that finish. Was like again because i think that stage Finish probably about ten minutes. We got feedback all the time that used to lead on that colson day. Anything could happen. I mean we seeing people drop now all the time on a lacosse. The i think to mention this in his interview with a smart and he said that on site not. They don't have to wait to bridge to wait to the end. That can just step off whenever and at any stage you know people were pulling out all the time things will happen in you kinda just dead dream a little bit that he is going to clinch it. But it wasn't until an. I watched it back on on the film as well. I think it wasn't until he turned on last long street to the finish line. That was the first time you've actually seen look back. I think he was so focused. On like like for instance. Said i think having this real focused and belief that he just had keep going at our pace and he didn't. He didn't look back once until he was not straight. And i really believe that the position of where the clock was a really believed that he was coming in today and he saw the clock. Amos thought right. I can really start to take this in now. And that's why it had that last glance back for what was what was incredible. I think again the experience of being a finish line on a closed course is you. Don't have the noises crowd and you could hear what he was as as he grabbed a finnish from toma. He's really so emotional. Everything insane and sorted Searching credible thing like a private moment really for for a lot of people to be part of and the sameness steph narrow again. It was amazing. Memory hopefully will get christmas shows took. We've got steph on the show. Talk about her run by another few other you mentioned. Dns actually and the ease with which one could step off the track but they're only twenty finishes on the day if you real notable dns partridge and tom evans. Of course. i'm tom who who'd had too many good fulham. And lily who is really in a would have been really disappointed and actually post race coverage. Something saw twice with tomo. Chris thompson spending what was his moments of you know amazing. Crowning glory he was. Actually you tiffy talking to lily. Partridge obviously we can hear what you're saying. But the cameras on the both and he was clearly saying to her aglietta. Worry your your car or something like that. And then he posted a lovely messages on twitter as well so that when the elite running endurance american community come together like that bow. sorry to not see lilly. Have a good run or tom. Thomas eight to treat hospital void described as An infection in charlotte are also Dna but focusing on the positives mosey edwards. I think you got some nine mini series phenomenal chopped thirteen and a half minutes of her p. b. in case in which there were eleven. Yeah i think one the forty five. Maratha really overlook that v forty five. I was just about ceo. Think everybody's so focused on the fact. Obviously because it was the olympic trials morrison the come themes and qualification windows open as well and so there actually eleven commonwealth games stunned. It's run on friday as well. And i think that's just being completely sidestepped. But again i think to come back to unleash and he. It was a forty five record. He run to seventeen twenty six and was butted when he came over the line for over the last time in math you could hear him say officials forty five. You know it was just like he just couldn't quite believe himself but i'm sure it's interesting that you just said about 'em athletes all coming together to support each other because it was definitely that person when he finished restraint over to ben. Connor assam Josh griffiths was really making time for everyone. While at the same time you know knowing inside that he had this code so that was awesome. And i think definitely Three the pace. Pacemaker is all work together as well as just it was just a really just a really nice things that everyone was really supportive for each other. But yeah the the times. It's amazing my favorite thing at the end. They was like you was saying about. Angie that it was like a bit of a weird thing closed calls and you just running around ugandan so off like a park runs over new and then i loved the end when they awarded them and they have to get on the steps. Just that wasn't a patient is to stand on the steps berlin and the band. I mean he was like london. You could barely move. And he's putting Adver thing out that and he could hardly get out the stats like toldo sprung up you full of the joints of spring. I thought that was really lovely. That was because every everything that conrad she ran really well iran puffing really to do what he needed to do already having the qualifying time just maryland. Yeah so really. Great to see a to olympic qualifying times. I'm not certain around the olympic qualifying window. I think that's closed things year selected. Yeah it's tuesday so steph dave's has got her place but who else is even saying it's still let's still yet to be decided. Yes it's charlotte Trial thinks announced today a soul was really missed. It might be on to your right. Is tuesday today. yeah yeah. I think i'm in the indus going back to again. The things that were achieved this race in natasha courtroom in heartbreaking. She was only four seconds of qualifying time. Not she's she's been second place and it was a pay for her and it was actually welsh national. Recode think of that equity people remind them for those things because obviously she was heartbroken which just missed out a massive debate. You know to unfortunately just miss out but you know again this is a commonwealth games standard. That runs a who official comeback in good form for that next year positive award for her brilliant to speak to on the show. And you thank you so much for going. Dan and representing marathon. Talk q the team. Gb olympic marathon trials for tokyo later on in the always lovely to have you on the show yet thanking for country by in other news this week uk. Athletics announced a review of the cross country consultation. They receive nitty ten thousand survey responses. More than a hundred separate submissions. They say that demonstrates have passionate the athletics community regard cross country response representatives significant level of engagement they say from athletes and clubs and representative of the membership. They've said they've learned a lot through the process. Now here's some of the key things they said. This was mainly a bagged. Should cross country be equal distances for men and women they say. Uk say the survey show. The majority are survey show a majority of respondents showed preference for separate male and st- female to maintain exposure and quality of racing. A mixed race was not majority preference. There was a difference in preference. Wherever of distance between men and women. With the majority of women preferring ak and men seeing ten k. As the optimum racing now while it's more of half the respondents than gardens from national governing bodies is important. There was an even greater preference. The competition provides a local level to determine how best to deliver cross country. So basically what. I think they've done sets up another group to talk about so we had looking it. They've done a petition. Another question now. They've sat up other group to talk about it. Which is mildly disappointing. But at the same time. I understand the importance of the needs of consultation but it really sounds like a concrete decision. Either way around distance wasn't they were not able to reach. There was no immediate decision made over racing distance in gender equality which is what the whole thing was written started. Feel about yes. Welsh insurance coach. Chris jones with Will work with the interim head of endurance rob denmark to create a new endurance subgroup of competition. working group. A subgroup of competition that yes they will. They will have a goal of making enhancement greater investment in cross country and more cohesive community without impacting the integrity of the event that we go getting embroiled in it. That's what's happening. Uk going to talk about it a little bit right security. Maratha only read this on thirty reveiz dot com. No i didn't hear anything about this. I just in china is. That is a shame. And i'm actually surprised because i thought it was quite a big. You know well established race but clearly would you tell license changing times and lack of sponsorship. Its name all. It's a huge race. If you want to know more about it headlong to tony rivers dot com or japan. Running news bret. Lana both do cover the story but the focus. Maratha international open marathon championship will cease to exist after this year's edition ending a runoff ready. Seventy five years. Listen this marathon has been going for seventy five years. It was once the cran jewell of math running. The unofficial will ship says tony. The raceway will strays derek. Late men the first sub two ten in history in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven frank schulte olympic marathon champion thinking eighty four established his math in korea by stringing four titles together and seventy one to seventy four rope de castella the australian join derek clayton as a world record hoda running to right eighteen in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and the late great samuel andrew. I run his math in debt. One his marathon debut in secure data in two thousand and seven a great loss. Really i think Particularly in in a country where the mouth and running is strong path of that culture. And you know. We've recently seen some of the fastest racing in depth and quality of japanese Marathoning etta yet Commemorative is notable. What a shame. So the last one this year shame at she. Lucky enough to catch up with steph early today actually to talk through how race when what preparation was especially with At rules and what her thoughts are going forward for the rest of the year and preparing tapio he. She is so this week show. We have got fresh from her amazing rum last friday. Was it for days on. Seth davis who won the british olympic marathon. Trials loss friday. She crossed the finish line in a pb. Good timing to twenty seven. Sixty a qualifying for ten olympics I'd thanks so much for having me on a so exciting to talk to you and we just had a little bit with shop for start recording. Because i just went to to to find out how how it felt in the day you build up how. It's been since what preparations off. Take your going forward and of obviously the question. Everyone wants no is. How do you do it running sixty to sixty five miles a week. Because that's a big budding question because it seems to decide many miles say refreshing to speak someone. He's not hung up on miles. Who does things cross training strength training cycling and can still bombed the incredible time and amd was making requires. Louis so turco's toolkit streak. Must've we'll talk us through the rice. I mean it was fine. It was really early. The dossier conditions pretty good when they yeah. The conditions were good in the end. I was obsessing like the weather lady and my boyfriend would go bike by. What's the temperature. And i'll just do so. I was doing not for the race. Probably more so because i wanted it to be perfect addictions on friday and it did. Kip saying was going to rain. Side like everything packed my bags be prepared but actually turned out to be a fine. It was quite windy coming up when you just past and we're the finish area. Was that stretch. We kind of we've done. That was a bit windy but psychologically that actually helped a lot. Because for me i was just thinking get past as wendy bit and then you go on the tall and then you had the straight edge coming back down towards the star where the wind was kind of more behind you aminu new corners on that bit so that that felt really really nice mentally The the race a bit and setting buying the pacers also they back a little bit of shelter for us and from that wind but no the conditions on wednesday where were amazing and i keep playing the vase back in my life. I watched that back on on the coverage. But no i just like in. I knew that. I was in a sheet to run. At least one ran in appalachia when around two twenty seven marion two thousand nineteen which was before previously young yet. Yeah so that was twenty seven four t and obviously with you know yourself you've done marathons anything much. Anything can happen during the race. And i didn't want to make who shit too early on i wanted just to sit behind the pacers which were going seventy four minute pace over halfway announced. What did that mean we went through seventy five so were they were perfect and i just sat there felt comfortable. I had a terrible stitch by. And so i was thinking out point. Oh great this is a really good start so at that point. I just made the decision to to say to macos coming round. I didn't want any kind of carb. Drinks switch some name out to water and that that seemed to settle my stomach. Because you know you need the fuel coming in but you want my tummy so upset with let it was. It was fine it was manageable. So yeah and i just sat there with the group for halfway felt quite controlled and then. I don't even really remember a political point in the race. I broke away from the group. I don't even think it wasn't necessarily that. I broke away. I think it was more that we stay with the same Yeah you're just focusing on the back of them and staying there. I'm for while. Beware stressing out chief coverage four five meters behind them. And i think my coaches kept shouting at those pass to push that on and sit in right behind. So i think when i did that seems that got seemed to kind of open and it just went from there will also stage. Was i remember. Because all i was actually running on a treadmill behind watching you on his affect sacred shelter treadmills so i was watching you and for some reason as usually you know the television coverage was going back and forth between men and the women say and then what happened with. The guys overtook you. They locked you for the first time. And you will go in single file which is really gadget. We'll see how that dave said to getting single followed Vegas and then the next minute came back to the pacers. It was josh and the other guy and then it was just. Yeah evan clinton yeah. I'm then like Oh okay so steph and then suddenly it was like you could see there was the long straight and there was no one behind you my goal. I think no. I think at that point when we come into single file. I wasn't front behind the pacers. I think that could be which i was around. Twenty five k. Just way and because he went into that single file line nachos. If you're maybe at the back to surge back to the group does take a lot of thing that could be where it kinda did are i think some smaller groups than formed an between the girls behind but then after that it was just yeah case of of just for me. I just focused on the pacers sticking behind. And i wasn't even really paying attention to my watch too much oversee. I was aware my googling was her talked to the time for me. I didn't wasn't stressing by the time. Because i didn't need to get it but equally i did want to prove that i was still at olympic qualifying. Gene ended up to twenty nine twenty nine or two twenty seven sixteen while iran. I didn't really mind wasn't a goal from every other american. I've done all be all about time of how i split down to my my power. My so i'm really checking in with myself. All the time was. I didn't really have i wasn't doing that. During is a great way to racers and it. Because you're actually well you'll racing but you had the the pace is so talking about that then do you think then because you looked good you looked really comfortable. You didn't stressed any times. And there was an all talk about when the pace is gonna drop the. I pasted opt-out. Then you had josh. Did a really great job. And then he dropped out on the last lap. She had the last parade. You looked really good in control do you think. Do you think you can run foster by the end when i was just setting behind. Joe walsh yet. I wasn't pushing it. I wasn't saying to him like let's get foster here. Let's take a year. i. I think. I think there's more in the tank in troop is operatives and say that gala you'd never know economic dream from my training. I do believe that. I could go quicker than i think. If if there was other girls around me. I would have that competitive nash to really bite official. Whereas when you're sitting behind a male pacer has nothing to do with the race. That i maybe didn't have not like fire. My bailey you said you attorney The lead yet and i was. Don't get me wrong knowing you have. We didn't make me feel like. I bagged already because i had no idea. Actually ho far where they were behind name. That people were seeing had elite. But i didn't know whether that was shaking ninety thousand or whatever and you have no idea of anyone else's feeling behind you. I mean look in conditioning birds. She rallied she did incredible at anyone. Could rally or i could fade A wall all of a sudden and just fade so. I didn't take anything for granted as going arrived. Was just saying to stay. At least where i was not paste and then obviously try to round off a little bit as i was coming through that last lap but it wasn't till the five hundred meters to go that when i saw the the clock. Oh actually i am. I could be on preppy. Be here as well so then you are going to be a small one but it was obviously it was a good sign sparring to watch and say we'll see saito do so well. I mean the way he wanted it to similar so thing and then suddenly it went back to film on him and it was like oh helen ministry. So i if i'm not concentrating. I don't know how i was on a treadmill this week in front of me but something happened and i suck me seventy toes with ben and i thought they dropped back to tomo but it was actually told my thoughts that rally i mean. I was screaming at the screen. It was just phenomenal whole day. I think the coverage was interesting as well because they were obviously saying. Oh he stated is not going to happen for him actively actually he actively made a decision. This is too quick for me too early on on their own race on of those years like so much respects yes years of running a knowing his own pace innings on body. It says well hopefully talking to him later but That's that's being confidence knowing or knowing what during So just so you you've done. This is fantastic. You've got this time. You definitely going to the olympics. Finally that which again is going to be surreal is going to be strange. Olympics isn't it. It's a long time coming. But so what have you got planned what. Let's let's get back a minute. Sorry let's talk about your build up for that because we see it would have been a weird buildup. 'cause like you said you based in london but you weren't based him in training due to that event you didn't get a presumably you can get away. How did coverage impact your training and preparation for trials. So we actually need an early escape from london. Just before christmas We were baton school north. For christmas to be out she went to my other. Half's parents in north yorkshire and then we ended up staying there. I mean we've learnt when we did go away somewhere. Just take everything with us because you never know cool that if you could just be down. So he can. Everybody shoe that i owned am had all the right gear and we went up. North accident ended up staying there and till the week of the race so it was a different training environment to me. North yorkshire beautiful but in finding a flat grinds your speed for things which we did. But we asked back you. Few routes squares in london. I'm just so used to always going to bash park for those. Who don't know it's just under three luke super flats and having my team. They're having a coach there. Every tuesday thursday. Sometimes the weekend will do a sachin. It's just everything sentenced easy. It's just easy convenient At i think in hindsight having the different training was probably a good thing for mentally to also push myself trading on my own. Get used to that because i was aware that trial at some point could be a quiet and lonely race because of the size of the field so i think that actually very preparation for me and my other half. He does am triathlon. So as part about you hurons. He doesn't do the same volume as me. He was able to come in for me for my stations to kind of fishmeal That get me started. And then once. I was in the rhythm of able to to push on. We sell with trainer in the garbage and noble Lent me a treadmill which was great for when the weather was su so nice in love. Soon i felt there and we invested in some weight so we can start the guard basically so we had virtually everything we needed for me. I don't know what people have been talking about the cross training. I actually usually across trading own electrical trainer. When they have to do that. You'll have one at home of the gyms been closed. Didn't have access to that. So just on the turbo and actually dot between october and advil world half toolbox a has an it be injury so tour in december early december. I rose of action for money and that. It injury just really really gold me like. I've never had an injury that bad that for months by did all my training on the table and using swift and honestly like it completely saved me. I was a few of my friends who are into traffic on its side. You'll be fine. You can match running if you're working hard on the bike. I don't get me wrong if you're gonna if you're gonna be using the bike as much running go to use it. Wale make sure tends to do your sessions and the volume about bigger and yes maybe more boring. Compared to running outside on holidays honey you will get like we had an industrial fan even then it was insanely swayze and but it keeps you super super fat. How many were you doing a week of on the topic on the bike is when i was injured i was doing around twelve and fourteen hours on the terrible and i was lucky enough during that period. I was still able to swim as well. So i was doing kind of a swim at the other day as well for me. I'm not spending faster. The pill i just. It's just like a recovery stuff. Yeah yeah and i just find it. Actually this might. Just be in my my. Hey like a placebo effect. But i find it really therapeutic on my muscles. I feel like it makes them relax and so they can get back to the pool now. The is not back into my treating but we recall training. When i'm running out do between five and seven hours a week and a won't do double run days. I'll do a terrible. Or lexical and dana ron or vice versa. So usually on the days have on an interval station out often do at it. Depends where am i and my timetable but allowed to do in the morning or the evening. Thirty minute really really easy cross-strait just to kind of get legs moving on the on the cross training normally or on the bike anything preferably on the cross trainer but with crew vegetable for bestmark built for tubes always on the turbo. Okay and then. I was actually lucky enough as well during this training to get some jim access to middlesbrough and sports village so three supported about the hamstring. Nickel on the bike was aggravating. A little bit. So i get used. The elliptical and an apache unused elliptical. A couple months felt quite hard when back on it. But yes just i find some cross trading a really good way to offload your muscles but ruled. But you're still getting the benefit of impact the impact of running. Just take so much of your muscles takes longer to recover. So if you don't have a and you can put more quality into your running. Did you do use heart rate monitor as well for the staining see i do use a heart monitor yet to especially people will say what setting took the cross trainer on and it really depends on the coast to new using a kalsa. The all vary so much so as trying to be aware of your heart is you can really see that. You're working hard equally. I don't tend to his heart. Rate when i'm doing my running infiltrating speedwork contemporary things like that but i do use it for recovery runs to make sure that they are actually recovery months and on again on the wall street to make sure that the keeping it easy enough or from injured going hard enough so harvey as a good for that as well but yeah i think just and i would encourage people so much. Don't get me wrong. i do still upset over mileage. And when they see other people doing hundred mile weeks of mike oh mother huddle not yet dot. I have done double monday. I haven't done hundred miles. I'm not as quick twenty seven and you won the try. No nine amazing about this. Is why i love and i to sing. This from the rooftops is like everyone. What this is the problem with social media as we look other people. Airing think she doing that. We postal medicines la times and how far we run if you do doing well and on your sales. Yeah yeah and i went back and analyze. You can january to the week the race on my average mileage was an eighty five kilometers. And so most people do. Double that yeah. I know what we will not peaked up. I think two hundred ten was newman acts but again only for one or two weeks. And then i was the name of tapering back down so yet. Don't focus on lyles cross. Training for your recovery stuff is really does. Meat is so much easier. If you are injured then you don't have to readjust your mindset to do something completely different because you've already been doing cross training. You just need to remove the running all our bummed me out rod so you can focus on the cross trading and you know what you're doing such a chore on a complete change to your routine. Did you have to have arrested as a full face. So i didn't and we call the race arrestees in fact the two weeks for the race at two recipes but not typically if i have arrest in but there's always an optional yet archie. Fortunate if i'm absolutely spent than any stake arrestee roth Semi sort of very organic. Yeah okay yeah exactly unequally. I think planning rest sometimes is always the way forward because you don't take it when you need them to have them planned but shuffle them. If you're thinking. I'm like i'm not going to get anything from his workout. They detained rescue. When you need it. Yeah i think i think tapering yes. That's when you definitely need some rest as in because it's interesting importantly if we agree it varies but up in your blocks. Say like i. I work three week of blocking and a week d. load and that's where you do need to delay but if for some reason you just you just need to rest day then. That's when you should take monday for me is usually at a non-impact male. I usually do like no impact on saw one day for. That's okay and then in terms of like the long. I know that you did some really big to reading about some of the stuff. We do coach. You do some As much as you're doing eighty five week with a. That's you're not shirking on the big sessions especially the maratha sessions presumably. So you'll probably doing quite big blocks around marathon. Pays and ten parents be right yet so like through. Mileage was lower. My long run could be like third of my total mileage just from one one day definitely know every weekend because you can't be doing martha piece temples off every time you log run a few of the runs week in some kind of nine paced off and and also feel like progression runs and we. We started like two thirty five pace and see where we can bring it down and but yeah we had some kind of bigger. Bigger stations in their emil ended kind of four weeks before the mark date then started to kind of reduce everything back down again. Yeah i mean that's the thing. I think they'll be people listening saying in and i talked about a lot like the the eighty twenty rule which is a it is a good rule. Eighty percent training is easy. Twenty percent of his higher intensity you can we. Tom cracks on hair while back really interesting conversation about that. So the eighty twenty rule h-how applies especially for sub three hour runners a c. Three marathoners that twenty percent a low training council even close marsden pace as intensity. But when you're running under sub three was not twenty seven that Hawed you know. And i always tell people like that martha piece and training like take with a pinch of salt sometimes because oh athletes. It can be awful. And those by didn't run. My i'm fifteen. I didn't run. The are fifteen pace in my station. Might yet when i trained for a london is to thirty two. I always like to thirty six to four jeep as even because. Yeah you're shattered. Yeah so yeah gonna live forever. And also i think wholesale with eighteen saying but you'll getting a loss of that percentage is cross training that is still aerobic conditioning. Say yeah really interesting Well brilliant. i loved. I again like i said i've got a hold of the podcast. Not it's really interesting. I think people would like to have more rebounding the training to get your time is great. So let's just talk about what's happening next vehicle you mean. Hopefully you'll having a little bit of break and then building for the olympics. Because it's not really that far away. No sue take now in ca two. Maybe three weeks off. See what we can negotiate coach weeks off completely yet and then we'll take a week for public. I mean coincides quite well with the gyms and trying to open the aibo. And because i'll do a lot of cross training on swimming and probably yet to completely all and i am listening to that span into that you have cloning off to three days. Yeah like honestly. I just think it's mad like my body right now. I'm at my legs. Actually feel okey. And i'm just really tired by smoke excitement. Once i've had my wrist m eastern. I can to training see my body responds again. Like as a registered with the rain stays. Adjust thing if we need to and then gradually bill and for the math and on the seventh of august. And we've not got any kind of coupons atoll yet but Look to try and go away to some warm weather training. Which i'm just mad like Because i've never been on training camp all and noisy these evil like like also you. Every time i go in holiday tree by number. I louis for yeah like four weeks To trine so we'll have to look into options for that for some warm weather stuff because america's into a tokyo and it won't be as hot. It was still behold sodas pre prepared for that so that would be that would be exciting and then we'll see. I don't know what races my coach In in the bill. I spoke to him there and we might have trying to attack half to see what's really and because kobe Available but yet. I'm like super excited just to get back running in fact right now i'm i'm uk with the rest but s pulling next weekend. And i'll be like. I just want to go and run funny thing. I always used to take two weeks. Definitely would take the week off and then by the secretary of war just need to confirm or something and then i would really try and be really good and take because like you say it's not just about the toll as a body. It has is the toll on mentally as well and is just been that growing disney. And it's just nice to do things and see what to reset. i say. See the people haven't seen but because of my coaches like you got to do long to any of this because equipment only Well things opening off venue outlay now but then also what's what do you think you can do long time. I mean have you got some real aspirations because you still only thirty. You're really young Young relatively new training. And so we'll have you. Have you got any ideas about what you wanna do can do so. Yeah i think. Definitely i would like to see if i can run faster than what i did it. Q. is day for an aspiration to still work away on not that p. b. i guess for me i'm very realistic. Polling all going to happen in japan am that will be also gonna train really hard. Give it my all but it will be a very different type of race and so then. I probably won't do another marathon this yourself. Bring us to next year. I'm middle kind of another marathon major and maybe in the springtime see again like won't hire responded to recovering after the olympics and also would like to do another half a tank to get loose teams. Don't work a little bit or my speed. And i think there's more there i did a half martha time-trial this just a around the park on i. I would like to that time on on. Paper is but it was bash them iran at my last. Yeah so. I really liked to see if i can put out on paper and and yet do inappropriate racing but Yeah like for me. Because i'm so is only thirty. It's all about the titans next recall with keep again. That's going to be on next year too. So that's definitely a goal to make sculptures teams now and because i've not had a scotland based before so i would love to be able to do that. So of definitely. So many goals to having komo's birmingham so that would be a more sustained and found with you come see does he won't be to do that in japan nothing. Well i mean i'm tight. I think samy people have been inspired by iran. Yours and tom as rawlins's some lovely to see some racing especially in this country i watch it was so sought. Good fun. I absolutely loved it now. I know always ask people what time they'd run a mile in. But we've already honesty that so i'm gonna ask you something completely different on. Can i ask you what is the best piece of running advice. Someone has given me. What is it so assigned sounds really simple but like just focus on yourself you are your you know your body you know your own journey trying not get wrapped up by what everybody else is doing. I be guilty of it myself from the past and i've learned from every martha i've done if i stick to what is done before. Chipping away at making those training stations. That i did for valencia. The chopping away then to meet them her head of this race so just focus on on your own goals and have many goals that reached to the big goal. Because they're just as important as all about journey. Take your time there is. There's no rush so yet. Focus under sail and think of as a journey is no end is a one goal. This but many goals to get their them brilliant. Well we wish you the best of luck in tokyo and we'll follow your journey fully. Instagram comey may be an. That's necessary to find you and best of luck folly. Well thoughts about it. I think is gonna marathon packed sharing for ones exciting to racism. What are you going to be doing for the next. I know it's very exciting. It's like real given me a real renewed energy. You can take them what we should go. Marathon i'm not sure about that study on. What are you holidays. Isn't it easter eggs of his kids. Kids are off. I should be devouring an easter egg size of my headset. Hope we realized you know what really stingy with easter eggs. We don't really do. Easter eggs numb. We get we so much chocolate. Day-to-day it makes any difference. Yeah so It's just consumers in goma so the kids do get against do get chocolate eggs. But i don't succumb to full saving me will be joining these holidays with the kids. I'm doing some digital work with storm break In fact we we're looking to grow digital work and then probably looking for dot net developer so netra connect with me on twitter. ideally what. I was doing hoping to continue to build on my running. And you know what speaker you'll find. You'll van tour earlier. got me thinking. Maybe we'll go away in a van for nine. Iv solid ice. When we are alive. Which i think is after. The twelfth of pro is good. 'cause recording this. We've also just taken off first. Tentative steps have locked and especially great time son. isn't it yeah. I'm actually wear she heading to your way just on sunday today. Because we're going to visit petes mom because you haven't seen a since yeah lost and it's a birthday so we're gonna take the vandana shiva van and and will be compensated at easter. I'm really looking for a identity is going to be sunny as it has been a couple of days but we find at least it went be busy and i'm actually doing a five k. Time tomorrow wiz. A friend of mine. I'm going to be sweat. Acing her to five k. p. b. I really hope so Scout raise the is pretty System to that so yeah. That's what i moved up to fund really good. So that's it for now and we'll see you in two weeks time. Thanks for listening. I'm really mush. He's not in yelling. That was into.

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Why You Need A Podcast To Build A Long Term Online Brand

The New Influence Podcast

15:47 min | 2 years ago

Why You Need A Podcast To Build A Long Term Online Brand

"Walkin to the podcast episode twenty five. And we're back. Welcome to the podcast St. Davies from St. Davies dot com. So today, I wanna talk about why you need a podcast to build a long-term online brand. Now, I've already covered why you need blog to build a long-term online brand. And this time it's a podcast about. Yes. Podcasting. And podcasting light blogging is being around for some time with the first one launched in. I think two thousand and three so quite some time ago, not as old as blogs, but still old all the same particularly in online communications years. And actually the term podcasting comes from. It's an amalgamation of the I part, I part and broadcasting. So obviously, no one really uses the ipod these days just to give you an indication of how old and weather name came about. I actually think over time will get rid of the term podcasting because it's quite old, and we'll just call it a show. I have show an audio. Oh, and it's only today that podcasting becoming more mainstream even though it's been around for quite some time, and that's due the likes of Spotify. Investing in hafa billion dollars in two thousand and nineteen solely into podcasting and has been the influx of new podcasts over the last few years, it is becoming quite saturated market because many companies and many media companies and many hobbyists alike all launched podcasts. So why so well it's much easier to launch a podcast in this day and age than it was back in two thousand and four two thousand five through more podcast hosts available. There are a lot cheaper than what they used to be with the economies of scale does more editing software more easier to use at it himself wet, and in some cases, this free editing software. So I use or density for my podcast, which is free to download and free to use its soft. And it does the job for me. Some people say you need to use adobe audition. But I. That's you know, that's only for the professionals, really. And you can get what you need done using a free service like audacity and also with Mike. There's lots of podcasting. Mike's these days low to USB Mike's that you can use to plug directly into your computer. I have a yeti US bay Mike, which is often. The preferred choice of podcasting Mike among I'm 'as Bush. I know this better ones coming out all the time. And some more advance podcast will tell you not use the yeti and go for a different one. And also this literally devices coming out now that podcasting kits all in one. So usually if he put together a podcast, and if you're interviewing people, let's say in a certain location, you'd have to take your Queant with you you have to buy Mike and Exelon cable as records and so on but now with the likes of road, the Austrian company that makes all the great Mike's. They've brought out the row Casta pro which is essentially a podcasting show that you can take on the road with you. And you just essentially press. Record record up to four people. And does everything for you, basically? Whereas the old way there's a bit of a process to it. You have to kind of put it together you have to use the jets and so on so again, this is just the beginning of the second eve Lucien of podcasting. There's a lot more information available now with regard to podcasting. So the used to be of a lack of information lots of people didn't know how to start a podcast, and it was really just a kind of a communications medium for the geeks. It was for people who had a tech understanding and podcast early podcasts were mainly about technology. Anyway. But now it's flourished and technology keeps getting better tomorrow, consumer focused and much like blogs and social media in general that in the days if you wanted to put content online you'd probably have to understand hates the amount. But now anyone can put content online, regardless of whether they have the techno- how or not, and that's why with whites created this flourish in Konami of social media. And it's. Why everyone has an opinion these days because it's easy to put your opinion online. But like blogging podcast requires you to take a long-term approach if you want to build a brand podcast, generally, don't go viral. And instead you have to build your audience over time one person at the time. But as far as developing Broncos podcasting is one of the best online mediums you can use as long as you take a long-term approach. So here I'm gonna give you the reasons why casting is one of the best mediums to build the brand. I certainly put it up with blogging and definitely higher than social media. So firstly, it's mobile. So what is the only media that you can consume while you're driving while you're at the gym walking the dog doing any of the kind of activity audio whether that music, whether that's the radio over that's a podcast. So with reading like a blog or news article with watching like a YouTube video of the TV you have to be stationary. You have to be locked into the. Content to watch it to read us to interpret. And so on with podcasting. You can do it anywhere in. It's not legal to listen to a podcast in your car. And you can do it easily. When you're you know, you're ninety percent maxed out on the treadmill at the gym. He couldn't read an article while you do enough. So it's more ballot. You can do it possibly you can do it while you're multitasking. No, the medium gives you that benefit. Secondly, highly personal. So if you've been listening to a podcast with a podcast over weeks and months you develop a kind of intimate relationship between the podcast that and yourself because your allowing the person in your ears. You're allowing the person into your drive to work, you're lying that person into your gym session aware of so you develop more of a personal connection with the person who's speaking he developed that quirks. They providing great information. You know, you appreciate the information that giving you if you. Them funny, you know, the brighten up your day somewhat and so on so you can develop that kind of personal relationship with them. And also with podcasts we choose who we subscribe to. So yes, you choose who you subscribe to on YouTube, but seventy percent of all YouTube videos, watched Ogden through the recommendation algorithm. So when you go into YouTube chances on it's going to present to you videos that it thinks that you should watch. Now, you might want to watch them you might enjoy watching them. But it's not something that you've chosen to watch with a podcast, someone's actively subscribed to your podcast, and they get updates of your content, only when you publish it. So the algorithm there's no algorithm that says you like this podcast. Maybe like this one to you like this particular episode of podcast, maybe like this one too with a podcast, you only get the content that you subscribe to in the pug Custos that you subscribe to nothing else. And the next reason why you need to build a brand using a podcast is. Is the engagement rate is actually through the roof with podcasting. So there was a guy who did a test. It was a kind of he didn't plan out to test. But he discovered it essentially guy called Paul Culligan, and he's a podcast, but he's also Facebook page, he's got a YouTube channel. And he often goes live on Facebook CEO fire Facebook live because that's the only way to get any traction organically within the auger them these days. So he fired up Facebook live. He did a video. And I think it was about ten minutes long. And he discovered that the average watch time on the video was three percent. So the people who watch the only watch three percent of it. So that was you know, ninety seven percent of the whole content is not being viewed. So even if you have a million people viewing if the viewing three percent than you're not getting your message across so he took that video and he put it on his YouTube channel. So in terms of the average watch time on YouTube that was thirty six percent. So while Facebook video was three percent. Youtube video was thirty six percent. That's twelve times better. So a lot better. But still it's only thirty six percent. So what he did have to that. Is he stripped out the audio and he published as a podcast some terms of the average listen time for that podcast for the audio of that video. It was ninety six percent ninety six percent. So when it comes to Facebook video three percent of reg-, watch time YouTube video it was that six percent average watch time and impact cast audio. It was ninety six percent average. Listen time that is considerably more and considerably better. So in terms of engagement podcast is far better. Now, this just wasn't a one off either. He did it with multiple podcasts. Multiple people who he works with any found the same as well. So he had this guy who he works with who spends a million dollars a year on Facebook advertising and boosting his Facebook, videos and. They were getting somewhere in the region of. I think it was like nine ten percent of ridge watch time. And this is a guy that spends a million dollars. So what he's done his he's transferred all investment in all that time into crate and podcasts. So as you can see engagement rate is must've better with podcast, and that's to do with one as I mentioned already. It's mobile people can do it when the doing the things. So you know, you can listen to that podcast while you're doing the things and also it's more personal as well. So people are listening intently and developing relationship with you. So the next reason is podcast a long form. So you can develop a podcast that is twenty to twenty five minutes long in have no problem with people listening to it all the way through speaking for myself here, I've been in the car before and listening to podcasts, and I've got to my destination, and I've got seven or eight minutes left that podcast. I'm not gonna leave the car until the podcast finished. You couldn't do that. With any of the social media such a personal medium and even though. It's a long and even though it can be twenty minutes, thirty minutes. And if you're someone like Joe Rogan who apparently makes fifty million dollars a year on his podcast. They can be three hours long. He he has chats with people to three hours he is one of the most well respected. He's one of the most follows in. Listen to podcasts does in the world. So illustrates that podcasting is very much along for medium as his blogging too. So like touch on less time with blogging, you can write a long form article, and you can help people who are reading it for not just like five minutes. But in some cases, twenty minutes and more. I've got a few articles that are long form where I look at my starts in tells me that the average reading time is around twenty minutes. Now that is phenomenal given that era in which we live in where attention sponsor, very low, and it's hard to get people's attention. Because you've got so many notification so many things in emails coming through in tweets and what's ups and so on the log interface boat in the so many different things. Click on Iveco people who is spending twenty minutes reading my article. Now, that's not in the millions. We only talk about in the thousands. But I'd rather have thousands of people spending twenty minutes on my content than you know, millions of people spending a couple of seconds. So from a brand perspective. That's what you need to be thinking about impact casts phenomenal for long phone too. So next with podcasts you have a variety of different formats that you can use. So it could be like this could be just someone speaking into a podcast, and you know, you just listening to one person or could be could be an interview it could be a chat it could be an episode or it could be an asset. So what do I mean by enough set? Well, this podcast here. This isn't gonna go out date for the next couple of years. You could listen to this podcast in the information that I'm giving you in twelve months time and still be relevant. There's not much going to change the benefit to podcasting while you need to grow a pug. Is not gonna change in the next twelve months. Probably not even thirty six months. So this podcast as a NAS at will last may for three years, at least probably more. So while you could do a Nepi sewed way, you're talking about the week's news and what's going on. And that's very voluble to certain people as well. You can also create assets like this that will serve that purpose and essentially game more listeners over time for years to come. So with a podcast, you can create different kind of episodes different kind of assets different formats as well. So it all depends on what you want to achieve with a brand I would advise on creatine assets. Just because they'll grow value. They'll get more listeners, and they'll serve you for a long period of time. But again, it depends on what you need to do in the final reason why you want to build a Bryant using podcast is doing a podcast regularly will help you become a better communicator. So I'm not the best person to speak in. Microphone. I've never been the best person to speak in through telephone. It's not my preferred wave communicating, but I know if I continue doing it for a longer period of time, I'm going to get better at it. And we have to constantly challenge. Ourselves in this day and age, particularly with communication, and particularly the way the world is going. We always have to be learning and getting better. And there's no better way to help. You do that doing a podcast can help you form your thoughts. It can help you shape, your thinking, and it can help you become the communicator as well. So it's just a win win all around. And again, I know for a fact that in twelve months if I continue doing this podcast. I'm going to be a better communicate than what I am today. And that's why I don't worry about the mistakes that I make that's why don't worry about what I found light because I know incrementally each time. I do a podcast. I learned something new each time. I do one. I might learn how to edit it better. I might learn a new function on or does he I might find a new software tool that helps me kind of refine the podcast at the end. I might buy. New piece of kit that just kinda mix at that little bit better. So it's all about incremental improvement. And I guarantee you if you do a podcast now, you'll probably be pre rubbish. But I guarantee in twelve months you'll be much better. And it's all about the compound effect. Just getting that one percent better every time in a compound over time. So there was a stop that said that if you got one percent better over time, you'll be three thousand eight hundred times better at the end of twelve months assuming that you've got one percent better every day. Now, that's three hundred eighty times better than what you would be now whether we can get one percent better every day for the cost of twelve months is another question. But it just illustrates that the more. You do something the better you're gonna get. So that's me nuts. Podcasting. And that's branding. Let me know what you think. Either by Email in the comments via social media, or whatever. So I'm Steve Davies from St. Davies dot com, and I'll see you next time.

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Whiskey Quickie: Daviess County Straight Bourbon Finished in French Oak Casks

Bourbon Pursuit

02:50 min | 6 d ago

Whiskey Quickie: Daviess County Straight Bourbon Finished in French Oak Casks

"Each batch of barrel bourbon is its own unique expression of their blending process finding those unique characteristics that shine through learn more at barrel. Bourbon dot com. Welcome everybody to this whiskey quirky and today. we're looking at davis county and davies davies. Okay you you would actually know that you you. You're probably waiting to say that. I was like go. Get this davis county over there. And he's like. I'm gonna soon as we can't name all hundred twenty. I've got nelson right. I got i got that part so davies county. There's a product comes from los co and so this is a blend and mash bills so it is a blend of traditional rye and weeded bourbons. That are both also finished in a french oak. Cask bottled at ninety six and has srp around forty seven dollars. Go ahead blend and mash It's kind of hard to get a nose on it. Yes very basic kind of vanilla. Little tiny hint of oak. A little bit of honey. Yeah it's it's it runs middle of the road you're not gonna you're not gonna be like i don't want this or it's just it's so all right on the taste. Got some brown sugar honey. He's very pronounced nice little spice at the end It's nothing too complex but it's you know a great just average not ever all around it. It runs middle the road. I think on the taste the knows. It's it's exactly what you would expect from a kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. This one's a little bit. Different pena blended nashville is finishing staves. So he gives a little bit of that honey four. We're kind of note to it. Yep all right so on the news how you going to write this sideways like we try. There's nothing pronounced it's good but average And the taste sideways. Like i said it's good but average like go like thumbs up only because you don't get anything. That's like a stringent or bad or no way for i think it it kind of showing pretty well but let's go ahead and finish anything there sideways. It's overall it's very good. It's just it's just kind of average mill the road from me all right. Well thank you for tuning in cheers. Elsie next time.

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Greatest MLS team debate heats up + Charlie Davies on making it in Europe

ExtraTime

1:02:33 hr | 1 year ago

Greatest MLS team debate heats up + Charlie Davies on making it in Europe

"You're listening to extra time driven by Continental. You feel enough that matter. I feel a lot better than Bob. Extratime me see how I find out what's going on in the MLS. Maybe this podcast is influenced me a little bit as well loss loss. Everybody up here. Every single day goes into the office into the laboratory to try to cook up some great stuff for you guys. That's why he's here. Welcome everybody to extra time driven by continental you know we sit in New York because we be tells you every single show. He's not here today. I am David Goss alongside. Charlie Davies up in Boston Massachusetts and doyle who I will warn you is having one today so it is going to be a long show. We've got a lot of debate coming up the greatest team of all time in the bracket the bracket setup doyle still pissed about and he's angry with me about eighteen other things so we're going to get to that all coming forward. We are very excited. We've got some great mailbag that talked about as well. We've got some things that we can do for the future that we're going to talk about and we've got a lot coming up at MLS SOCCER DOT com. You guys. Are you excited? Doyle's taking us about two hours to get here so you're excited to be with us. It's Jersey Week. Yeah what are you wearing? But as I got a t-shirt an usher. Let's hear why he doesn't have a Jersey on outta their all in the wash. All My Jersey on Yeah Van. Wash them yet. Delegates absolutely. Absolutely tell us about your collection of Jerseys. It'll red bull. WanNa AFC we're doing greatest bracket of all time. So that is the greatest team of all Time Double Winning Twenty Sixteen New York Red Bulls to with two adults in the starting lineup l. Afc which I got for free. That I could wear on vacation because I get sweaty and then everything else I got as a gift except this one a David Beckham. La Galaxy Jersey that. I bought a Dick's sporting good with a gift card that I think I got for a birthday. That's the where I live in where we're coming back to. It is Jersey Week as oil. Said you can go to. Mls SOCCER DOT com. You can go on twitter to check out. The bracket is released. Today it is the top thirty two jerseys and MLS history facing off round of thirty two starts. Then you've got the round of sixteen coming up on Thursday and the final will be Sunday may twenty four so over the next week or so you can vote on all of that and Doyle you already re my jerseys. What's your favorite Jersey and history by a mile it's the Colorado rapids St Flag Jersey. I think it was their Secondary Jersey in sixteen seventeen eighteen. The it's the one with the the yellow sorta torso and then the the bluish purple Sleeves like I think. Those are awesome Obviously has the The connection to home because it is the Colorado state flag those are like the early DC. Jerseys are great You know the the sporting KC Jersey had the argyle. I thought that was doped. There's been a couple other really good ones Houston's Last year the black with orange I thought that was shower but that Colorado State Flag Jersey Hands Down Far and away number one Alzheimer's. Mls is reminder. Don't Sira Doyle. Because he will say his and list all the other ones that Charlie to go second molly. Yeah I'm just GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO TAMPA BAY mutiny. Ninety six the hoop socks. The color way I'm all about it straight nostalgia for me so the Bay. Mutiny would definitely get my pick. I had to pick one Jersey of all time and apparently are not allowed to say anymore. And that's DON's out guns a doyle said mine which was going to be that Guy. Right there sporting KC. I love a collar. And I love a button so that Jersey which was I think. Two Thousand Fourteen two thousand fifteen along a little bit of pattern. I think those types are like it to look at but yeah laying in a collared when the mutton is not ideal. Yeah Oh Charlie. Distract me with the you don't own. It's like to play wait so you're telling. Obviously the greatest Soccer Jersey of all time is the Highbury Arsenal Maroon with the collar. You think that would have been tough to play. You don't like buttons with our got it. That's that's what I'm saying. Okay I can accept that Charlie bringing us his experience as a player. He will do that once again on Wednesday. Mls classics Remix goal of the year. He will watch. Every single goal of the belief is that correct e every single. Go the year with guest. Bara Brian Ching Mike McGee and Jimmy Conrad is alongside me so we're co hosting it together. Phenomenal the one thing that I'm shocked about out of all the goals of the year. We ranked them. You know what was our best? In in those eras. We did a early middle and recent the defenders Marcelo Balboa Jimmy Conrad were just annihilating the defense marking on these goals. I could not believe it. I said I thought you guys were a committee you got stuck together was all positive. There's nothing could have done to stop that. Even the best defender in the world of stop. No it was what what a trash defending that it's like. Are you kidding me? Yeah okay here we go but I also want to say I'm wearing a Jersey this jersey. Tse Not Typical of me to wear a Toronto FC Jersey. However it's IT'S JERSEY. It's a big week you talking about jerseys. And why they're important to you. This is Josie Outdoors Toronto Jersey. It was the first time we played against each other since you know basically two thousand nine because we're on the field together finally were on the field playing against each other so it was a it was a big moment for me. Just because of those those memories we created in two thousand nine so that would be a twenty fifteen Toronto setup. Let's IT J. labs off yeah right solid solid. Charlie looks like he's been working. He's filling out that Josie Jersey on the shoulders. One of the hardest parts of a Josie. Because he's got the pure Muscle Dwight Howard Kit. I have twin boys so I'm constantly lifting them up and push ups it so I'm trying to keep up but as you see he's still got. I got plenty of room up top. Those trump's Josie outdoor trapped. You gotta get the Mo- Do Workout Plan my twelve get on that. Moa Do workout plan. It won't be able to fit through the door. He's a he's literally active. I want to say that. This is from Obviously I had a knee. Injury came back played in molest game against Minnesota scored two goals. It was a huge deal for me. My career my family the whole team Saturated Jersey. So that's the one where here today for my Emma. Let's career obviously here is soccer player. That's great yes four m eastern time on Wednesdays. Mls classics Remix with Charlie. And all those goals scores and defenders ask Charlie. Do you have a favorite goal of the year in? Mls history when now he does he did a video about it or orange spoiler no might might as well let the cat out of the bag. It Darling Darling denied yes. Yeah just eleven goals and say the reason why for me. I had to choose it. You're not GONNA see too. Many people take to touch on the air before. Like you'll see bicycle Kicks Marsala. Bose was the best bicycle kick that I had seen it. And it's from a defender to just from from the Angle. The Distance. The the amount of power got amazing. And we've seen dear rose free-kicks and derogatory but with this goal at POPs out. He takes touch to set himself up. Another one. And then the the volley when you're gonNA see that again. It's it's once in a once in a lifetime. Yeah I don't think I'm going to see another player purposely juggle before varying side-netting. Just a fantastic goal. There was a lot of I remember that year. There was a lot of discussion between that and the hostile. You remember the era legal where he talks and he hits it blind. Upper Ninety like Thomson thorough in. I don't remember out. I think it was interesting because he chipped it he himself and then turn volley. Hey we talked about it. We talked about on on the video. Who said it? It's a great old man that that's worthy of goal the year. Yeah but I think it falls in the same year. As that. Norling DARLINGTON AGNI goal. So you can't give it to him but it's definitely a top five goal of all time nonetheless. Yeah I agree and the difference to me though is like intentionally with Naby in what he was doing like as soon as the that punch comes out and he's controlling you see him take the first touch. And you're like immediately something clicks in your brain. It's like oh he's doing something here and in credited to John. Strong nailed the call on that goal as well which elevated another level. That's one of my favorites. Darrow's free-kicks is incredible especially because we have the angles for it like every angle goes from top to that medium and lower. It gets just at the Mike. I just get like against better and better with that one and then like There's still like his first touching molest for the goal show. I'm looking forward to the show. Charlie the the problem with these goals are you have the great goals but then you have the big goals and big moments. So it right you know. It's it's hard to decipher because sometimes you see a great goal. But it's maybe the last goal in a four zero routing. You're like Yeah you know there. Wasn't that much. You know this operations Kinda like whoo versus game winner like Yeah Youth Minute. Everyone's needs you to come through you. Come up with a magical moment and everyone's just like running chasing you. Everyone standing up standing ovation. That's that's what I want. That's what I feel when you watch this video as well. Yeah and Charlie. Charlie obviously scored some Some great goals the one the US Teke like sure highlight but just the run and the way it happens in smooth finished as fantastic David. You're wearing a soccer jersey. What's your favorite goal? What's the Best Goal you ever scored? The Best Goal I ever scored was t pickup in Atlanta hosted by continental where we had cameras out and they resumed on be scoring chilly. He'll finish video of Wego. Oh but I ended up the Bernie but that was actually really good goal. Okay scored three goals in to actual goals in negative goal differential in my life but speaking of actual soccer we are going to talk about the great teams of all time but I the Bundesliga did return this weekend. I believe the Costa Rican League is around the corner. The k-league has started as well. Some countries are handling this pandemic well having the opportunity to open up and there were some Americans and Canadians former. Mls players on the field. We had some fans. I wanted us to talk about that. Thank you jake from New Paltz. New York shoutouts new and he says please me you'll be talking Americans and Canadians in the Bundesliga. This week on Hudson Valley Hero. Tyler Adams had impressive day at right-back. He seemed to be hesitant on Saturday. Looked like naggus. Men told Tyler the stay at home. Most of the game as Leipzig tried to attacked on the left side of field didn't get to watch much of the shocker game but it seemed like a rough day for both mckennie and obviously. Gio Raina who was supposed to start at pulled out in warm ups with an injury plus more Davies as you look good in the thirty minutes. I watched finally some live to watch doyle of the guys. He mentioned there. Who stood out to you? I think Davies probably had the best weekend He's so dynamic going forward but he also has the advantage of a plane for that buyer. Munich team that just has seventy percent of the ball and they are able to pull teams around create a ton of space and then they get him on the overlap and he could have five assists in this game because he's just constantly getting to the side of the box in pulling it back forcing guys to make plays was never super tich. Who made a bunch of plays? Actually did you ever play with Nevin in the in the national team camps? So Nevin came the Boston College for his official visit. And I was the host so offset into a Guam Florida. We can talk about that later. But Yeah I've known for a long time and it's it's kind of crazy to think that he's he's played at the highest levels. Played Champions League in in note has been one of the best defenders in in Europe at time so Incredible incredible career. He was good. It was good. Yes I mean he was was all back foot. Clearance stuff out By Munich and far better team Davis had a good game. But you still see those moments for buyer Munich. He's an incredible left bag for Canada. He has been bad at left back. He has actively cost candidate massive games against the US men against Haiti last year. And you could still see teams kind of trying to exploit that. I think he's going to get better at it. It wouldn't shock me if two years from. Now he's the best left back in the world He's certainly kind of on that. Course but you still see some of that. Defensive Frailties With Tyler Adams there were no defensive defensive frailties but there was nothing much going forward I think. Jake is right like he played a really conservative role wasn't really kind of overlapping full-back Tucking inside Being an extra midfield fullback a lot like how Gregg Berhalter used him a year ago. Wanted to use a year ago with the US national team. There was no good or bad to talk about it. I think maybe just one giveaway which he arena. It's a bummer. He got hurt. He would have been the youngest starter in Bundesliga history. I doubt no younger. Eric can start or maybe Americans okay so but it was. It was going to be his first start. He got hurt in warm ups. You saw him walking around afterwards. Smiling sounds probably just some sort of tweak taught soft soft tissue injury Darkman didn't need them because they just absolutely steamrolled Dzhalka. You Know Weston mckennie was in a tough situation Shelter were playing without their number six. Weston mckennie had to play as the number six and he struggles He did a better job when the games in front of him. I thought he did a better job of getting into an actually winning challenges his passing was. Okay you still too many risks and bad spots which just drives me nuts and I actually more blame on what he had to do. The last two years because that wasn't soccer that shelter plauged in seventeen eighteen in one thousand nine hundred desk out So he he he he tries to make plays can't like you can't make it that level unless you're a God tier soccer player. He's not the big thing with him is just as recognition is still too slow he just he he switches off and we saw like the for the first the third and the fourth goals he was a step and a half away from making the defensive play and you could be glass half full in. Be Like okay well. He was a step and a half away making defensive play. Maybe he'll given more time. He'll he'll make that play but that's also what he's been when he's playing his actual position as a number eight for the US nationally. If you look at what happened last summer in the Gold Cup he was a step and a half away from making the defensive play. And you're doing about Mexico final right. Yeah Yeah it comes down to to positioning tactical positioning. So you may think that you're you have a certain level of athleticism that will allow you to gamble to cheat and you think you can still recover because you you have that speed or the quickness you get to a certain level it's not. It's not quick enough or not fast enough. You need a better place. Yes you need to be more position to make those defensive tackles and I think over time he's going to learn he's gotta learn sooner than later if he wants to have immediate success with US team and with with shelter. I agree with that Charlie. And but the thing that concerns me more than that is if you look at the second goal she just has an off switch now she wasn't at all culpable on that goal. Because what happens is comes straight up the middle towards zone fourteen were Weston. Mckennie is and he slides it left to Julian Brandt who goes to the same barber as Andrew And then branch looks free. Pre CORONA FREE CORONA GRANTS SLIPS Barreiro through on the left wing and Guerrero does go angles and straight on goal shoots and scores okay. That would I mean anytime store? Got A goal good job but that was actually the wrong decision. Guerrero should've pulled back is once he was at the site of the box. He should have pulled it back to the penalty spot because the WHO was there all by himself. Because after WHO'd slip that passed to branch. He just keeps his run going straight to the penalty spot which is just fundamentals. Two runs right by. Weston mckennie TURNS AND WATCHES HIM. Go and doesn't track the run to me. That was the most disturbing thing about this performance from mckennie. Because if you're lucky. He's obviously a Bundesliga caliber player. But if you're going to be a central hub of central midfielder on a really good team. You can't have that `off-switch Annapolis because that's a goal against Mexico in World Cup while follow fire down in Costa Rica World Cup. It's that's a goal. You're giving up a goal. 'cause you didn't track a simple straightforward run. So I was. I was pretty bummed about Weston mckennie performance but couple mitigating factors one the first game in two months to everybody on Chaka's stunk. Yeah had a lot of people saying that he was the best player on shock. Like okay for Anywhere Var laws in threes. He was playing a new position. So and and that's all taken in the context of his last game before the break against Hoffman. He was amazing was best game. I've ever seen him play. So you know to give him a Mulligan in this one and hope that he comes back stronger Next week in Schulkin need that by the way because they're in tailspin the other conversation this weekend. That was big. I'd say for all of us on social media and American and Canadian fans wasn't how the performance is went but the fact that there's this many young players in Germany a big league starting for teams competing for teams. Some people argue that. It's always been this that you've always had good young players and players. Jonathan Spector played in Menus Academy always had guys going over and getting opportunities somewhat argued. Nothing's changed somewhat argues. Something has changed. Charlie you've been to Europe as an American you've had the experience what do you make of a West mckinney? Getting the start weaken a week out whether he always performs at the best level has something changed for Americans or Canadians or has something changed with the way they've handled the situation. Every every situation is different. Every person has every player has a different coach different which has a different mentality. But when you're in those big countries Germany France Spain England not so much England. But you have to submerge yourself in the culture you have to show a willingness and a desire to learn the language to learn. You know the food you eat to have those discussions to show that you care that you're you're trying the most and is it for every single foreigner. That's not in Europe. No if you're Brazilian people go. He's Portuguese an probably not going to learn the language we don't care because he's he's Brazilian he's GonNa score goals or he's GonNa be all these people on the dribble you put up with that. That's like the fun the that's okay. That's that's norm. But IF YOU'RE AN AMERICAN. The stereotype is you're a hard worker. You don't have the tactical knowledge or the technique. Because you're not you're in America from America you not in Europe and you still have to learn you have to you have to do all those little things right because in order for you to play over a young talented academy product that they're potentially going to sell in the future and make a lot of money from because they've developed them you have to do so many things right and you have to do so many things that much better to play over a younger kid. There has to be a huge difference for them to say. You know what we're GONNA stick with US American kid or play this young seventeen eighteen year old academy product. So you have to be that much better news to continue to push and that's the only way because you can never settle. That's the worst thing you can do in Europe is. When you're starring job you have five six good Games meet. Maybe even five six great games. Everyone's saying why would a player in you take your foot off? The gas is soon as you do that. And you have one bad game maybe to guess what you're starting to get substituted than it's the next. It's the next guy's turn and if the next guy takes off. And he's from France Denmark or Germany or Spain seal later because now they're gonNA give him the opportunities to make you've had your shot and you're not going to get it back until there's a red card or an injury that's just the way. It is in Europe as an American at so much more difficult. You have to do so much more if the train so much better than the next guy to get your chance. So a guy. Like West mckinney. He's he's trading. Well he has to be training extremely well because even when you has those bad performances he still in the lineup which means is learn the language. He can communicate with his teammates. He's well liked. The coach likes them and he does his job every single day and he came into it he lived in Germany as a kid. So I think one of the draws for him in what I've heard from. Fc Dallas people. We were never really gonNA keep him was. He was already fluent in German. And if a German club wanted to give him an opportunity it made sense for him because he had lived there because he fits in so quickly and like you said Charlie that gives him that half leg-up especially coming out of the Academy of they kind of feel like he's one of theirs is maybe got a little opportunity that the average American comes over at twenty two twenty three dozen have the perception that Shell could gives him in. I would say when you watch them. Play is all these mistakes. There's moments where someone plays them a bad pass and he has to react instinctively and he puts great layoff as a through ball. And you're like he does these things. That are impressive. It's the teachable stuff and the locked in mentality stuff that you still need to work on but you can see why they put him out there. Pulisic obviously went over to young age learned the language as Well Gossiping Grain. In the club. All those things. It's interesting to see there's a lot of promise there's a lot of hope there could have been. Raina and gotten hurt. What five you twenty two and under American players in the Bundesliga depending on what? Josh Sergeant Does later today which we won't know which we would all have killed for such a long time ago and now we just need them to develop and get their and Goss one thing that I think fans forget. Is the pressure. The pressure to win and succeed in perform in Europe is extremely high because it can be the difference between making millions of dollars for qualifying in Europe and playing an elite competition like Champions League or losing millions and millions of dollars by being relegated. So you have to perform every week because either way your club is chasing whether it's make Europe or stay in the League they need you to perform and if you're not doing it for one week or two weeks it's the next guy's turn. You might not get that shot again. Doll you ready to perform for me. Step up big right now. Arrogant talk about John Brooks. And Alfredo Morales. Do you want to now. John Works at an own-goal Alfred Relics Twenty minutes. It'd be good to see that amount American's playing at the top flight. I think a couple of guys play in the two Buddhist League as well doing baby Jillian welcomes children. Were some big soccer. Love deep in the Charlie fiction eleven there but I was GONNA say Doyle. We're talking greatest team of all time. The breakfast set we are onto the next round. We're voting on half bracket we have the fan votes to put in here. Don't forget going forward. We'll continue to have votes coming forward but David Scott in Skokie says I'm enjoying the bracket countdown but I'd love to hear more of a tactical breakdown of some of these matches. How do you think these teams play against each other? What strengths and weaknesses? What each present. You've done that a bit but I'd love to hear a little bit more. He also says he doesn't have twitter. So Eleanor Holmes Norton Style is going to be a nonvoting delegate here. He emailed us as you can. If you don't have twitter feel free to email us your votes as well and we'll definitely read them on the show and take them into consideration. No Andrew Abby here today as doyle mentioned the Bundesliga's back we've never seen spend Lars Bender Andrew Abby in the same room together so we don't know if he's one of those brothers but whatever it is he will be back on Thursday but without him. We only have three people here. Plus the fan vote is one extra vote so that's four votes so we could end up in a deadlock so unders will be are deciding. Vote which already means two thousand fourteen. Seattle has one vote in the bank. So we have to be very shore about how we feel when we get to those matchups. Let's start with the first matchup. It is twenty seventeen Toronto. Fc Against Two thousand one Miami fusion it was a one verse five seats. Pfc came in. I think is our number one overall seed. It was always going to be an uphill battle. The Fan vote is ninety one percent in favor of Toronto. Fc Of course a nice sixty nine points. Which was the record at the time? They won a Canadian Championship Shield. Mls competent in the next year they went to a CCA. Al Final which they lost on penalty kicks while I got covered in beer in Guadalajara. One of the great moments of my life. I won't complain. Is there anything you guys feel the need to bring up here in this matchup? I mean the better team won ninety one. Two nine is harsh on that on that Miami Fusion team which is littered with essentially hall of Famer Sniffer Mondo Goal Colosseum Osa. Pablo Mastroeni. Chris Henderson Frankie. Of course that was a great team. That was a great drake team but Toronto. Fc is the only team bet one everything they went up for in in the League outside the League that year and then they got closer to anybody else to winning scout arts winning rather. It's the right team won. Charlie's got the kid on. Charlie feels the same of course Victor Vazquez joining in two thousand seventeen which took them over the edge from not being able to score in the two thousand sixteen molest cup to of course winning it in two thousand. Seventeen Jonathan stepping into his role that year. Getting that little bit. Better Marquis Delgado on top of Josie GIOVINCO and Michael Bradley so they are still our number one seed they move on our next spot in the bracket was twenty ten L. Verse Twenty Fifteen New York Red Bulls who were the two seed in this bracket we can get into that if we need to ourselves. Fifty six points was second in the West. Twenty goals allowed. We mentioned lascaux is the MLS record and this is the team that starting in two thousand ten started in about August going through to April of twenty eleven was the final the first MLS team in it in that format. Losing of course Monterrey in the two legs versus the Twenty Fifteen New York Red Bulls who had sixty points and they won the shield beating. Fc Dallas on goal differential. The Fan vote was tight on this one. Forty nine point seven percent to ourselves fifty point three to twenty fifteen New York Red Bulls. Charlie start with you. Where do you fall on this? What's your thought process? This one is very close. If I'm going to pick a team in two thousand ten oursel- and the Sabio spindle a partnership with Havi Morales and Beckerman. The midfield ave was absolute beast. I just feel that this team would be well suited to play against his twenty fifteen red bull New York team. Immune the rebels going to press that possessed a possession based DACHSHUND. Sasha looked to just play those those threw balls penetrating balls and just win those turnovers in the back but this oursel- team can sit they can possess Beckerman and in Avi Morales on the ball the spindle and in Sarajevo. I think just too difficult. There's it's just a complete team from front to back and I would give them the nod. Even though it's it's very close that twenty ten team is not losing to this to this New York team. Doyle I think I give a slight edge to the RS. L. Team If you look if you look at their late season run the They didn't lose a game the second half of the season now. They didn't win back to back. Games either deserves the said they were juggling. Cc. L. Group stage. Play at that time I think if there is no group stage than they probably would have won the shield that year and they lost the shield to the galaxy. Who Lost in the plane game to Puerto Rico so had no? Cc All deal right. It seems like yes. There was a way to beat the RS Lt. And it's you you you just destroyed. Break the diamond with speed like that is the that is always been the the the way to to break apart any diamond whether it's some of the classic ones that they played in Argentina even DC united in nineteen ninety eight. That's up Chicago. Beat them on the counter and this our S. L. Team in two thousand ten in the playoffs against FC Dallas Dallas ran past. The just just blew him away. Getting out hope of fields. This twenty fifteen rebels team was great but they didn't have that they. They didn't play that type of soccer. So I do think I give the slightest of edges to twenty ten. But it's I mean it's a coin. Flip is really was it Sabio and Spindler Sabio n Finley Ravi Finley or is it. A is a spindle. It was yeah it was mostly. It's been because findlay was gone for about half the season at the World Cup. And then he didn't come did he come straight back to our. Did he think he went to Europe? Yeah because you're an Finley had gone and it's been the starts in the final for shore. Yeah Finley was there in twenty ten with our sal and went to Nottingham in two twenty eleven spins all had the starting spot over him either way. I think it goes to the point of those players that can stretch the field. Many give space underneath for hobby. Mohan Szabo to play and a lot of teams couldn't handle creativity against the red bulls with numbers. Drop deep. Because you didn't have anyone to play off of but you give Havi Moen Szabo. That's space to work together. When the Red Bulls get pushed forward and you just play long which used to them and they have that playmaker to create underneath and they have guys who can finish. Oh question mark obviously for the final spins Ella and his finishing when he got opportunities who. That's your biggest Achilles heel where you look on the flipside there. Some more Achilles heels at times for New York in this so they're is not handling any of those strikers Tommy and pernell slander on this show. Very good that you're so that's three votes. Here Yeah Damian. Parallel started but you guys still had twenty fifteen red bull's over twenty eighteen rebels as good Salvatore who have picked twenty two twenty ten. I think it would've been twenty eighteen red bulls. I think they're they're practicing their their ability to just ruin any type of build like they destroyed Atlanta United's filled up they again they broke that twenty eighteen Atlanta United States to the point. Where Tom Martino like? Screw this plan on the counter-attack I think they would have done that and more to the RS L. teams that as beautiful as they were and love. The diamond is beautiful is that they had no plan. B If you broke the diamond like they couldn't they couldn't play on the counter. So I think the two thousand eighteen red bulls if they had been seated would have gotten past this This twenty ten. Uh but the pony fifteen rebels who are a worst team that you guys seated incorrectly? They lose to this are although you you look at it and maybe not the right comparison. When they went down to Saprissa they sat back. They played deep. They scored off a set-piece. They played a different style at times when they went on the road to the way they played in. Mls Week in and week out and show they can do it to somewhat a high level they could counter with Robbie Finley Charlie with a lot of Ravi Finley Robby Robby Finley Ravi. Finley could is GonNa put you put you over the top of the mountain counter counter with them. Yeah all right whereas the final shock. Oh so isn't it's a cutback so I'll say this on. There's also voted twenty ten ourselves so that's four to one against New York Red Bull. So twenty ten makes their way through on this one and that takes us to the twenty fourteen. L. A. Galaxy or a two thousand Houston Dynamo of course. We picked this Ella Galaxy team as our number one galaxy team when we did the greatest team in the Mount Rushmore. And all of that Sixty one points a second in the West Seattle team that we're about to get to. They want him less cup. Of course Landon Donovan. And Robbie Keane no Beckham anymore at that point verse. Two Thousand Seven. Houston would fifty two points. Which a second in the West plus when he goal differential anything. Technically were the second best defensive team of all times in terms of goals conceded but of course they played less games back then just thirty. They beat the REVS IN MLS Cup. Final seventy three percent of the vote went to La Galaxy in this one over the Houston Dynamo. The galaxy fans have come out and voted hard. I don't know if it's that or if I don't know if this is that mismatch not it's a mismatch cool Robbie King Rose Aria Robbie. Keane was on another level in twenty fourteen. Give it to him. I've seen firsthand hand. I didn't close doyle. Give me some. Houston live here. That team was great. They played more attractive soccer than they're given credit for. Everybody remembers the Grit and grind. Domke your teams in to be clear. This team could still grit and grind but with zero at ten at it was Change in in India up top and when he's not a great ease robbing Finley level forward in this league history. That's how you got the Robbie I play with both. Don't do that on the books that Byron Munich for week don't suspect Stop Joseph in DC. Brad Davis still holding a olden. Yeah Yeah Wanda was on the bed Corrigan. Chorea Brian Mullen Richard Maroon. Rico Clark. Why we named the bench guys starters. Steve was really really good. The like this but this was essentially the grouped that one four. Mls Cups between well. We'll say three. Mls COPS and shield between two thousand three and two thousand seven. They were borderline dynasties the galaxy twenty fourteen galaxy actually were a dynasty. They worked and they had in Robbie. Keane they had the best player in the League in Landon Donovan. They had arguably the best player in history having maybe his best year. Twelve goals in nineteen assists that season and once land and got caught from the national team. Like there was no question who was GONNA win? Mls Cup that year by the way they played as a group and I will say this about this galaxy team. They were better than the Beckham Galaxy teams because Sarvaas was just doing all that dirty work. He was just killed people in central midfield. So you couldn't those Beckham Galaxy teams. You could sometimes play through central midfield because he gino. Were good but they weren't that type of defensive player but you had sarvaas in their we've clean marks on everybody's ankles team at his best as well so I like it. No disrespect to that. Two Thousand Seven Dynamo team. They had a lot of talent. Twenty fourteen galaxy. When I the one thing I have to crack on that Houston was not arguably dynasty back back. Mls Cups and shield the year after. That's a dynasty. She'll she'll beer before. Yeah we would think about them as dynasty if that shield hadn't happened in San Jose. This was the San Jose earthquakes gene that one cup in a one zero three shield in five and then moved to Houston or one cop in six and seven we would think of that as Dynasty Charlie. I know that we're you fall and I don't think it has anything to do with who you played against the error you played in and then the respect to take crt. I'm a huge fan of this Houston team. I'm Charlie the reason we were mentioning. The bench was we've talked. I mean all of these teams are great. All of these teams have very few holes in their starting lineup. A Houston group then. Obviously Wanda was Wando. That brought Stewart holding off the bench. Who's in their Mount Rushmore? As one of their best players for what he went on to be. Or maybe it was in there. Rushmore colder. Who's not in Houston's Mount Rushmore? Won't don't give me A? Don't they choose like that like he played for a different team that he would have been in the Mount Rushmore but like I said he was coming off the bench for just making stuff up. I'm saying that this is a deep team where they talent that has canarian cleaning that one to a central midfield that would battle as well and then you have legitimate game winners in D. Row Brad Davis and they didn't even have Brian Ching Cup final because he was injured so they started Jake and Josephine Gordon. Who's one of the greatest shockers history and they still want him? Alaska that steps Baby Rico Clark in that final either to say Yeah No. You're not because checked. Though so he was suspended they still have marooning. It was a great deep team But it was not not the twenty fourteen galaxy. I gotta look at Anders already. Know it's going to be the two thousand fourteen galaxy which is gonNA take it over the top all the fans to while I'm down GonNa vote for prosperity purposes for the Houston Dynamo. Two thousand seven. You're welcome bless Houston h Sam baby but once again galaxy. Go through and I'll just. Would you say that since best team the two thousand seven? I think so because of Stew stew stew had become legit that year and you didn't know before that if they were GonNa have an extra guy who could make those plays. I actually thought he didn't play enough in two thousand seven but yeah he'll tell you the same thing so curve really shocking. Yeah but like that. That team that was really really really good. And the fact that the again they'd be a really really really good In the final without Brian Chain and without Rico Clark and coming back from a goal down at Mentana saying mentality is a cliche but this this team had it up there. You you've done. Which is why they want so much. Let's move on to our final matchup of this bracket and one that is going to probably torture us. Definitely haunt me. It is the e twenty fourteen. Seattle sounders is the twenty eight thousand New York Red Bulls because as doyle said we incorrectly seated and picked on the New York Red Bulls Matchup That New York Red Bulls seem has the record. Had the record for points at the time with seventy one beating out Atlanta United. Of course four. The Shield plus twenty nine goal differential and for the sounders sixty four points them the supporters shield. They also won the Open Cup at the time. It was the record for wins in a season with which twenty seventeen Seattle then beat out and of course. You had OBA Deuce in Chad. Marshall who wants to get US started here by give you the Fan. Vote at in. Do that for you guys. the fan vote was sixty percent for Seattle If I put a Seattle Jersey on and ran for President I probably win the state of Washington. They're pretty good. Pretty good getting out and polling. Does anyone want spent here. I'm GonNa go twenty fourteen Seattle. I know doyle is all about that. Twenty eighteen rebel team but with Ovidiu. Chad Marshall Ozzy Alonzo Stefan Fry. They were just a it was a machine and I always think back to that final in thinking. Wow this galaxy team was able to knock off Seattle. Remember watching the semifinals and be like. There's no way Seattle doesn't win this like. They're they're just. It's almost meant to be but it's always. It's they're always going to have like a just an ashtray after next next to their name because they couldn't they couldn't win unless cup and that was such a talented team. It was one of those teams had everything to win but came up short. So it's always going to be held against him in this New York team lost to Atlanta. Who ended up winning so that both teams lost to number one in this bracket north. Our number one seeds argue for doyle as a supporter. Shield truth there. This is the ultimate matchup in his books. Which way are you leaning? It's it's tough because the definitive thing about Those rebels teams recite one piece short in attack like eventually every series. It all came down to Bradley wright-phillips And that was tough on him because while he's one of the all time greats he's not Joseph you're not Robbie Keane And he wasn't able to get them over the Hump and like that's what this kind of looks at. But then you remember what over? Martin's was in the playoffs and overcoming Martin's wasn't the playoffs was nothing. He literally did not score a playoff goal in his sounders careers in the biggest games for this team. didn't show up whereas if you look at the Red Bulls like yeah they. They fell short but they fell short to that Atlanta team which we all agree is one of the great teams of all time and they made a really really great run in the CAC. Tachograph Champions League getting to getting to the semi-finals against chiefs and then out playing chief us but they also fully foot fully fit Clint Dempsey. They did know for sure they did. It was and they were a great team but I just think if you look at it Going going into the playoffs. Both these teams have the same questions. neither these teams ultimately had an answer that they wanted to have So then you start looking at the other factors and the biggest factor to me is defense that sounders team. They had Chad Marshall. They had a really good defense. They gave up fifty Goltz. That Red Bull's team gave up thirty three. Yeah I'm GonNa vote on the OBA slander. I would say though. He did score in Open Cup final. He came off the bench against their score in a final which was a huge moment on the road for them. Obviously not at the level that a two thousand fourteen galaxy team is where doing it. In that moment we did at some point to something big in a big game The Missouri Goals Zero Goals Zero Assists in seven hundred playoff minutes for Oba. Yes not good. I mean that's that's the sample size. Let trap door go out on. But what when you look at the New York team outside of Bradley Wright Phillips who scoring Royer. Roy was huge in the playoffs that year and he was huge in in Japanese. Like play as well but royer is like like the same type like he was a great signing. But you're not going to be like. Oh Man we're definitely winning the series because we have Daniel Royer you know just like he's like a good third option. You had Kaku. Kaku had a really good year. I don't think he's quite at that level. I think in terms of Talat you look at that Sanders attack. You Take it ten times out of ten but that talent. That attack wasn't enough to get them where they wanted to be in twenty fourteen own. Osceola runs though. Throw in Chad Marshall at pieces. I mean who for sure? Who's GonNa who's GonNa Defend Marshawn setpiece on that team law marker ten park along the rebels the rebels in two thousand eighteen onset? These were amazing. They scored like twelve set-piece goals That year I like. I just think it does come down to defense. The numbers tell the story man like the. The rebels gave up thirty three goals over the course of the season. Saddle of fifty and stuff to go against that. I would say when you talk about matchup. What's interesting about these teams as they both have the way they played? They both seem to lose in the playoffs when it didn't work. So the question of ability to adjust. I think you would say coming into this. The rebels would make Seattle adjust where Seattle would hope to make the rebels adjust. But you're not sure if they'd be able to the way that they would set themselves up the way they played all year. It may have been harder for them for New York. If the Prescott broken how would they react obviously made the decision they did in Atlanta they struggled in Atlanta? That put them behind able to go to. Mls Cup which it seemed like they were kind of on the road to has said they basically broke Atlanta two months earlier and then got knocked out by them. So that's one of the things that kind of goes against New York where I just think we're talking pure talent on Seattle at some point and I know Charlie would shoot way hill fall of like if you're in if it becomes a battle and a fight and neither teams doing the things they want. Who are you going to take that big moment? It's going to be Ozzie Alonzo. It's going to be Clint Dempsey. It's going to be a guy like Chad Marshall. Of just yeah they're going to figure it out and create a moment in a tough game yes It's this is the toughest one. This is really hard. We saw the fan one. We've got Seattle vote on the fan one. Obviously we know what votes so one of US votes for Seattle. It's GONNA go Seattle Side Voting Doyle L. I'll take the twenty eighteen red bulls by a hair again. Is it's basically a coin Flip Charlie. I'm going twenty fourteen Seattle Boone at even half as not like and like you said it's by a hair like this. New York team was legit. I'm going to tell it tell. Ziggy story Twenty sixteen we recovering analyst Cup and this was right after ziggy had been let go by the sounders and We were sitting there talking. Just data you work with you for a little bit. Charlie like everybody knows. Ziggy was the easiest guy to talk to just love talking soccer. I mean we're talking about. He watched everything. You're watching what happened in the League and talking about the Red Bulls as I mean. What is different you know as press? It's like Bouchier plays but it's different because this trigger and that trigger the formation is all different and he goes. I WOULD WANNA play. I WANNA play against a team like that every single week. Let me play against that team every single week. So Twenty Fourteen. Seattle has a very confident that Schmid as their coach. Going into this match up against two thousand eighteen rebels. God I would love to see Aaron Long Chase Obafemi over the top on any ball. That's playing out of the back off the press. The other thing that'd be fascinating. You mentioned Royer what Lynn could do again. We know he did against his art that year in the world. Cup as like. Maybe you're not giving the attack. But if his role was shut this guy down because we think Chad can handle. Bwi isolated pretty tough match-up four New York so this one has gone. Seattle's way I didn't even have to vote. Someone have to anger. Our on shadow to go will sue. We are sorry to the New York Red Bulls for screwing up bracket immediately. The second half of the bracket is coming out for voting. Coming up honors. You can tell me when that is because I don't even know it will be on twitter and if you don't have twitter you can just email us or text us. It's coming on Wednesday. Obviously and we will read those emails. You guys ready to hear people complain about us. Yeah Yeah Oh shirk yeah. Charlie's therefore doyle's games a little hesitant. Doyle you okay. Normally you this. You're a little full. You're not as hungry today. Benjamin Waylon here and he said been loving the show love the quarantine podcast been a huge fan of MLS. Casey since two thousand four. When I was eight years old. Let's get into some info. My research is correct. There have been thirteen doubles in. Mls Twenty four year history. All of them made it into your bracket except for teams in two thousand five galaxy. Who finished ninth of twelve teams and only made it in the playoffs because of the expansion teams in their conference next the ninety six nine thousand nine DC united teams. There are so many good ninety DC teams. You guys included to fair enough that brings me to the glaring. Most obvious emission of the entire bracket. Someone wrote this for us so that I can. Then get into the two thousand. Kansas City Wizards not only did that. Wizard seem out your number three C. Two thousand Chicago fire in Supporters Shield but golden for the second tiebreaker. They also then went on to beat them in. Mls Cup seems to this. They had the best offense arguably history with Tony. Meola being the only goalkeeper to ever win. Mls MVP and defender of the year. Peter Vermes leading the way and yes. Chicago had a great offense but defense wins championships. And that leads me to my next point. Five revs over two thousand thirteen. Kc Okay maybe but to use the argument that the revs offense was better than SKC's and not even mention that s Casey at the best defense in the League. That season is inexcusable. Thirty eight allowed all on that defense went to the following. Us MNT January camp not to mention Aiko Pire who was on the bench. That's a lot of Kacie love from a Casey a stop there. Yeah it's it's a lot of Kacie love but I will say I think the most glaring issue in our brackets was the addition of Kaelin cars. Houston Dynamo and Charlie Davies New England Revolution. Subtracting that two thousand Casey Wizards See. That was our biggest mistake. And that is the worst thing that happens. But that's not how it happens has not how it happened that we didn't ask them in place of anymore. We just decided there needed to be playing around. So that Charlie and caitlyn would have a little bit skin in the game. Make the argument for those thousand fourteen. But we should have. Relegated are higher level at large bids to that plane game and allowed the K. C. Wizards to thousand in as at large rather than Kaelin Cars Twenty twelve Houston Dynamo Team. That grinded out a victory and got into an mls cup where they had like two shots scored one of a man now. That was twenty eight twenty nine twenty eleven twenty but not by much would give away either way. All of us didn't have a shot at going far in this bracket so relevant no. It's not a relevant. Charlie matters things matter. That's why you do them. I will say this I would probably pick your two thousand. Fourteen revs over the dynamo finance eliminate one. So you've got that going for Yeah one hundred percent a hundred percent since I. It's a hundred percent. What continue seems like a little. Bit of exaggeration outlast. One here Lou. I just want to say the Ben that was Benjamin who who sent that in right we benefit by not including the two thousand KC team. In there. I don't know if I would say that. They should have been in there over Chicago but they should have been one of the at large bids as always been stuff like this happens. It's under Psalm. One hundred percent Andre the mid on the producer under the bus. Yeah Yup he just. It's flyover country to him in. That's how he handles into. He tried to add six more sounders. Teams it is pretty amazing that the sounders went to three or four. Mls COPS and we didn't put any of those teams in our bracket. But I'll take on the best. I think the best sounders team is the second half of twenty eighteen sounders team. That's the one that had the eleven game win. Once they got Raul Ruiz ideas. Yep a guy went on a run. They were awesome in that second. Half and the only reason lost in the playoffs is because Marshall and Alonzo got hurt so anyway. Continue even over to. I guess you have Marshall Because Twenty. Nineteen you have Jordan Morris. Two thousand eighteen. You did not have him Chad. Marshall I think wins over that okay Final one to close out here. Luke from Waterloo has been loving the show. Think there are a lot of people wondering the same thing they'd be interested to hear. What are you guys used for all this research? What websites have you used for stats for historical things stuff like that? He also enjoyed Chris Anderson on the show. We always enjoy Anderson. He's awesome What do you guys use for anyone out there? Who wants to use everything I use? Mls wikipedia personal experience so That's that's what I use. I use I swear by soccer way. I do a lot of like Concha CAF Cup games. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines verse. You know whatever Antiga and I swear by soccer way as my official way to find everything but for these. Mls SOCCER DOT COM has been huge in. Wikipedia is always a nice glance. Oil wikipedia is gray soccer way. Transfer market is super useful. Stuff like that. We also have tools here. Courtesy of Optus for some of the the more advanced stats. I always have that stuff open but if you go to the front page of Ebola soccer dot com and you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the right in the black with white writing under media resources you see fact an record book it click on that and you get yourself like two hundred fifty page. Pdf of every fact N. record every box course in. Mls history Every journalist in the country that covers major league soccer is intimately familiar with the farm. And they want. Do like the pros. Do it you keep the fireboat been than you watch hours and hours of cat videos on you. Doyle actually printed his out so he has that as a book on his nightstand and he just flips through a few pages every night. I will put someone on blasts year a lottery. Search trying to find some box scores of the two thousand six PD L. Semifinals and finals during the West Chester Flames. Zing to the Laredo heat for long and PD OWL now known as L. League to no research available every link went dead and I couldn't find enough to get it together for my man. Chuck so shadow Tamila soccer dot com and someone step up for me and help me because the question I had would have been impossible. Charlie's you want the question. Yeah I'll take the question. Since two thousand six chester flames with Charlie Davies up top lost in the semifinals to the Laredo heat. The went on to lose in the final who won the final and who scored the game winning goal. Charlie looked like on instagram last week because seven. Pm Eastern Time. You can watch either. I'm always fire for the questions when it comes to to molest trivia is not as the comments are there to help you out is well. The thing is when we lost it was like I'm done. I don't care about you as a pedia. I don't care I'm heated is done. Why did you play for West Chester? I got coerced into playing for Westchester. Yeah because they had A lot of the region want. Odp guys that. I played with and so they said you know it's a great team. We're GONNA win Ricky Schramm who was at Georgetown. He won I think he won. Big East offensive player of the year. Luke Sager was one of my friends. He played at Stanford and transferred to Harvard so he would drive me so I stayed with him in Connecticut and then we drive down to to Newark Charles. All check was on team us at Harvard. Now works with Don Garber so a lot of a lot of talented players and we. We crushed it. We did really well Probably should have been in that final great memories. I mean you're talking about won the Golden Boot and PD here. Who was it me no. I couldn't find it. That was going to be one of the questions. I want to create. But I couldn't find it. I'll tell you this. The answer that Trivia question it would have been better if he played at DC one more year with Thai ship Elaine. He scored the game winner for the Michigan Box. Or the all time winningest team in history of the year before you so you didn't know him so I couldn't put that question together. That way sunset through American Gambians at you and you were not going to get that one either. No I'll nobody was going to get that one boot. How winners were John Cunliffe from boulder rapids reserve and Augusta fireballs Frederico baby gear. I remember him play when he played at Clemson in six. Yeah I remember so this if you want more of this because you do go on instagram. Mls account on Wednesday gain. Richard the top that for Rica Jane Venture Dane Matching. Mls Jin Richards going for next time. Acc question going. Come on Man Charlie already gave you like DC hall one one one more little bit of a trivia. What Emma lesser was in goal for that mid Michigan Bucks or Michigan Bucks Team? That won in two thousand six Steve. Clark there you go. Oh look at that. I know that I guess someone from Michigan who is about the right age. We got to leave a high baby ninety two weeks ago Charlie in Andrew. Eight out of ten last week. That's numbers that stats mic drop. Catch us on instagram on Wednesday night. We'll be back here. Don't forget to vote on the bracket that see that side right. Sirens Siren Arc de the next do.

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Ep.362  CYBERTRUCK Roadtrip ft. Chris Davies

The Android Police Podcast

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Ep.362 CYBERTRUCK Roadtrip ft. Chris Davies

"Sira Thanksgiving and welcome to the cyber family table here. have some cyber mashed potatoes cyber gravy. A heaping helping of your favorite cyber drunk Turkey and this is a really bad gag. Sorry and welcome to the entry. Please podcast it. It's Wednesday November. Twenty seven. Welcome welcome. I'm David Riddick joining me is the little liverpudlian. Yes that is the demo. I didn't know that was a word that could he's longtime executive editor running slash Ashgar It's Chris Davies I. I was laughing at the cyber truck. Joe I was. I didn't know actually that you appeared on podcasts. Excite wasn't aware you like showed up on Webcams I have to construct. An elaborate face made out of old meets so Thanksgiving Week is perfect this because obviously I've been trying to affect my Turkey recipes so I use some of the leftover white meat from my from my face so convincing facsimile much much though people haven't seen me in real life so anyway sorry. Sorry David no you will be apologizing the whole show. I'm sure justice this get get them out. Thank you for joining US Chris Honestly I wasn't. I didn't think you would say yes but You know we'll see what what where this train wreck leads us Well this only this nation. Yes sorry this this week. Let's start with The Galaxy S. Eleven Because there's there's been this is our first. I think big substantial you know dripping hunk of news that we've had about this phone and and we've got just a whole pile of renders out there and I mean my my first reaction was well it. It looks like a Samsung phone. I couldn't tell you much more I yeah. I mean progressively throughout the the rectangle on the phones is just going to grow until it covers the whole back of a phone one and then we'll have so many cameras and most base for battery so I'm all for it. I've just decided I'm I'm done with that. Yeah the camera module really especially in the US eleven plus. I don't understand Dan why they've gone all Picasso on that one in particular the other ones it seems like lined up normally when you're taking photos of children and animals. They'll ropy distracted by the unusual arrangement of lenses and stare at the camera. That's literally only reason I can think of. I can't think of another good one either So it looks like the The S S Levin plus both have like five imaging centers on the back. So we have to figure out what all of those are her. I guess I I'm not really sure I I'm guessing that will be a very large resolution camera to take very long. Resolution focuses uses of your loved ones and then some optical zoom so that you can take a look of a distance and then a wide angle on in case you have a large family and then maybe a macro on in case their skin is good and you wanna get ready close to them and then the camera will probably be ultraviolet it so that you can see what their expression actually is. Yes and for the ultra wide is. We thought you were going to say if you had a very horrifying family I think it just to Max Weinberg in the chat points out that He believes that the reason the S. eleven pluses all one can do on the camera. Module is because of the one hundred eight megapixel sensor on there so they had to rearrange its face basically seems like a very reasonable explanations theme. Oh than than ause which is stub. Think I'm here I mean yeah that make sense. There is only so much that you can do with cameras is is in. Physics insists on having its way as widely Kotei discovered good. So yeah I mean you know of course works for something mobile so yeah I mean that that makes perfect sense Max. Thanks for derailing this with logic. Yes Max is The resident Samsung expert of the English. Speaking Internet I think it's safe to say so. He says that you will have a one hundred eight megapixel primary camera on the plus a ten x telephoto in ultra-wide and the time of Flight Camera. So that is that is four. I think there should be another one in there and the ultra-wide me now. Maybe maybe okay there should should be another one in there. There are five but I guess it's fair to say that Samsung is finally like going back to a focus on cameras which I feel like they've kind of missed out on the last couple of years a little bit. What you think? That's fair to say I think so. I mean I think they were doing very well for a while and then they kind of coasted slightly. But I think it's interesting that we've gone back to. Let's throw lots and lots of different senses. On rather than let's do computational things which kind of feels like. That's being this year's excitement. You know who who who can do. The most interesting computational stuff who can make my photos look better by putting a dedicated on. I love the look of since gone and dismay on your face. I'm just thinking the way I'm thinking about the way Samsung's cameras make things look and that's what's leading to the scorn dismay If you have a brand they do and it's bright and bold and yeah I'm on some people left us. It's basically the opposite of me. Me As a person which is why I think it find it so revolting save revolting there okay. Yep Wow because you'll delightful so I guess the opposite would be revolting Bolton M yeah it gives my skin tone like an actual woman to it which is kind of Nice makes it look like I haven't just been dug up from somewhere. So yeah I I mean there must be people who at least within some Sung Otherwise like they wouldn't do it. Yes so what I what I've heard about this and I think we've talked about this on the show show before as I was at Google flaunt for the pixel four and was talking to some people with some of Google's camera team and what they were saying was that we know these manufacturers Samsung Wallpa- other manufacturers like LG manufactures predominantly from Asia tend to make their cameras a certain way in terms of how voters process because people in their home markets. Expect the photos to come out in that way. It's what they want whereas when they look at how I'll say Google Pixel or an iphone. Does it. They're like no. That's that's it's too harsh. It's a little too. It's a little too unforgiving It doesn't isn't really pop and feel like super contrast to you the way that everybody in these apps like on social media and our countries are modifying their photos to look more like. That's why we changed our cameras to put out photos that look that way as soon as you take them. Do you think that that has some connection to the I feel like beauty modes in those markets worries. He may be they. Okay all less prevalent perhaps Yeah definitely I mean. Google camera finally does have one added it last year. But it's you know it's it's a thing that's obviously growing in the US so it's it seems like maybe we'll eventually will kind of converge on a happy middle ground. I think like the live filters in like the most most phones now like take care of most of that yes I feel like everyone else has been using them and I left out. And that's why I look terrible info table. There's with people and everyone else looks gainful maybe i. I don't know that I can never imagine being the kind of person who likes the way they look in the photo. I'm horrified by every picture of me. Yes well I'm being polite David today so I'm not gonNA go any further. Tom Dot wine. Yeah no that's I think you're right that the certain type of person who loves seeing photos of themselves and ohearing themselves on podcasts. For instance so yeah. Yeah so when one thing I want to talk about before we move onto so you guys. It's going to be a slow news day on the PODCAST and we had Chris on to talk about things that you may totally to not of. But I don't care because I wanNA talk about them But before we end the conversation on the S. Eleven Christie. Think like there is you know any kind of I. I look at the design and I'm like well that looks like every Samsung phone in the the last three years. I think that hurts them or helps them. Do you think it's the brand recognition outweighs the kind of very extremely iterative design language. I feel like the dead kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place in the sentence because the friends of the phone now is just screen. The back is predominantly movie camera Otherwise flat glass. Because that's what you need for wireless charging I feel like there is a limit to what they can do And so may be makes most sense this within two to tap into something which is at least vaguely recognisable for people who recognized Samsung out in the wild because otherwise particularly quake point. Yeah that's true. I mean they're Zayn languages just so samy that I personally like I cannot. It's gotten to the iphone level where I cannot be sure which Samsung phone. I'm looking at unless I get really close to it and honestly sometimes I have to think is that the S. six or the seven. I can't remember what makes them different. Men's so slow to stagger that design language forward. But I guess there's also the fact that most people put their phones in cases so you never see what it looks like like anyway. This is true. I don't use cases to believe in cases like a philosophical like a religious life belief. It is yes I also don't wear shoes. I refuse to wear hats when it's raining And in fact the only sleeves that I wear those like Chris leaves that you pull when you are driving so that when you have your elbow on the window. They don't get some time man of many many any beliefs so now we're going to do a shameless segue into what we know we are here to talk about You know the my Hyundai APP and this will be a very short segway. I promise because the Mayan is one of the least interesting things we could possibly talk about. just got a major redesign which I'm sir everybody at Hyundai Including including Robert Sky or very excited about but The ANDROID APP also now supports Pixel for face unlock rob friend of the show. Even though he probably doesn't listen to it so you know we're we're seeing a lot of these APPs with vehicles. Now that allow you to do a lot of the remote stuff I feel like Hyundai was pretty early to the game for this Don't especially especially like being a budget brand like. This was fairly big deal for them when Blue Blue Link rolled out so it now works with the Pixel four face unlock. So I think think that's where we're going to segue and I wanna you know maybe talk a little bit about like smartphones in cars and then eventually just cars because that will keep my attention better So Chris like serving landscape cars. Obviously I think Tesla's APP is probably the most powerful one great now I think so. Yeah they definitely have invested obviously not so the digital I digital I could be derailed myself. Wow they've they've definitely invested out digital I. I don't even have anything after that. You're not even wearing a dress shirt. I don't think you're allowed to say digital I. Ah I can just clip onto my ear lobe. No they have. They put a lot of money into the driver's off our tax V and they expect back to that kind of thing from the phones. But I think it's definitely something we have seen other role to make his Weighing into mall and I think even more importantly doing it in a way that doesn't demand buck an extra monthly subscription or something. Yeah that's that's the thing with a lot of these. I've I've seen you know I know mercedes-benz for awhile hat. Do they still have the subscription over Mercedes like I do they said there was Mercedes may which does have different subscription components to some of the things difference. Usually you can unlock the car. Check stays at the windows with its Be Remote start that kind of thing from the and then if you want some of the more advanced stuff then typically you have to pay for that. Yeah so one of the more exciting ones. I think I've seen so far. I haven't driven you know any polls stars vehicles yet but it looks like the Pollstar to is going to have fairly impressive one they seem to be targeting Tesla Tesla pretty directly with their experience and it will be free. It sounds like yes. I think this is partly because the the hundred automotive retirement system which I I know you've played with I don't know what you feel about that time. I was kind of impressed by that. I think I think it seems like next Tesla the the most advanced implementation we've seen I think think Tesla's Tesla's still wins for slickness. There's no denying that the look of their interfaces. There's there's a clear focus vision there. They wanted to look at very particular killer way. I think with what you've seen. Based on android automotive so far is a more generic Very modular kind of looking platform. I feel feel like it's not it's not super slick not saying it has to be and in the world of CARB implement U.. Is like it's still light years ahead of so many of them right now. But so what brands do we know if being on board so far. I know we've got a Volvo and pulsar. Audi I think has committed to to teasing under those motive. I think interesting identity. How much of the the alley also showed news the UCLA from last week one of the features that they've just announced that rap is is the ability to temporarily enable some of the using the APP? Temporal Abelson the features in the car Whether that's a more advance to have crews or would affect different things neither do that pay paying the subscription ongoing. If you just want to for a month you can just turn it on through the APP. It's kind of an interesting. Yeah I'm not saying I necessarily expected from Saudi to be honest with you. micro transactions but for cars. Yeah I think it's a I think they would probably Roth's think about it as a way to upsell you after you've left the daily but yet just and I think that's. That's really interesting the times when you know maybe you want something Cadillac Super Cruise. You know if you're doing a long journey and you don't want to have to have hands on the steering wheel do you want to pay the upfront cross cost for that now. We all the time when you're not necessarily going to use it Yeah yeah definitely. I think that gets into the topic of you know where a lot of automakers are going which is cars as a service which I think is definitely like the biggest shift. We're seeing in the business right now. Do you feel like that's kind of the inevitable direction or do you think that's kind of something there. It's just an experiment. I mean I think that there are always going to be people who need tono feel. They need to own a car without because of where they live because they like his Akilah vehicle they have six children or something foolishly am but but I think that there's also big cohort of people who live in cities may be all who live in multiple places but the time between different cities different locations. Who may be? We want the flexibility of having a choice of different vehicles or having a vehicle sometimes pull not having to think about. Where am I going to get most of the time and so I think yeah the the there are plenty of interesting moguls? I don't think it's necessarily replace the kind of the traditional coaches elise plum but I think some of the costs subscription services that we've seen a very interesting because I'm contractually obligated to bring it back to phones occasionally. I think this does mirror a little bit of what we see with smartphones. Apple's had a lot of success I think with the IPHONE upgrade program and T. mobile and others have had similar programs where essentially you don't you never really own the phone a meaningful sense. You just kind of trade back in when you want a new one. which is I think you know? Somewhere to leasing. But funds are more service at oriented to begin with so it's kind of a fascinating parallel to see. I think the auto industry probably drawing upon on some of these ideas. They've seen come from technology more than you know. We're already part of the existing automotive business. Absolutely I think what's particularly interesting is not note tool to make a kind of doing the same way. So you've got some of the most luxury brands like Porsche. A CADILLAC had assist scheme scheme for wild What you could basically you pay a monthly subscription and then you get to choose from a long list of of different bottles if you want to change every week you can change that? Every week someone wearing white gloves comes in takes away your old dirty carbon brings you a brand new them and then you have someone like Volvo which by Volvo which which is kind of more of a traditional phone selective upgrade very much like the front program You sign up. He said you want this particular call. You pay a single monthly fee. Okay which includes the car in the servicing everything apart from gas basically and then after twelve months. If you want a different call you can have that one back and get a different well-known A two year agreement. I think that's really you know it's interesting but at the same time. Not everyone wants that said. The postal woman is just about to stop production shipping mid with you. Next year they originally the plan for that was going to be that it would be a subscription only scheme and then they hit the feedback people. Actually they wanted to own it. They didn't WANNA give it back so the not I'm not doing a subscription and it's just going to two hundred and fifty five thousand dollars X.. Volvo concept hybrid yeah. I really want to drive that Jp We we can get tried to tell me I would be able to drive it so I'm like fingers crossed over here for a loner once everybody else's done with them because it seems it seems very exciting. It's a really interesting interesting cough. I mean I think. Electric occasion is the future But I think there is. The future doesn't kind of arrive in one big lump it kind of trickles goes in like your wet yourself on a plane and so I think the idea of a performance hybrid. That has maybe some of the better qualities of luxury carbon than also that sort of the reassurance when it comes to things range of of gas engine I think there's a lot of there's a lot of scope to to kind of tape. BATOUTY's we move into our old electric he long musk's future. Yeah and I guess that kind of gets to the broader discussion. You know so again. I must. I'm forced to bring it back the smartphones smartphones. Were like this crazy transformative word of moment for personal technology. I've said this on the show multiple times before that really like I think to me like smartphones that moment when smartphones went mainstream that was like the model t that was a just totally changed the way everybody did everything in the way they interacted with technology and the parts of their lives they will take with them everywhere that was it was really it really really. I can't imagine living without a smartphone anymore and I think that's true of the vast majority of people now living without a smartphone would be difficult and annoying and you in many ways it would also to be healthier but none of us would ever want to go back. I don't know I mean I. I hate what you say about the health side. I don't know I feel like the research thing thing is too much of something absolutely but I feel like the upsides of what we can access to a smartphone. What we have with us and what you can do with it? I feel like you know with temperance. Great responsibility I feel like the benefits outweigh the costs. Yeah I've full disclosure. I just felt like I needed needed to give that argument some oxygen. I don't actually believe it. I know you've never believed anything you've said in public so no never not a single word of it but I feel like they were actually approaching. We already had one of those moments with with personal transportation with Carson. I feel like we are sloops. Cars move slowly. I mean it's not in the actual literal sense but now some of them do move slow at times but I think that we're like like coming up on this this moment where we're going to watch. There's basically going to be a tipping point and were it. Seems like we're getting there like quicker than I think most people would have expected. Initially Tesla's really been kind of the the engine behind that transformation. I don't think there's anybody that would argue. Even if they are protests anti Tesla or apathetic Tesla that Tesla has been the single biggest transformative force in the industry in terms of like POW every other automakers responding to electrification Asian do changes in vehicle design infotainment technology in general. And so you know. Obviously Tesla had its big unveil this past week and you were there right. I was not physically the now I know I sadly missed out on the fire and the the bladerunner theme and hitting hearing the glass shatter that would be the best part hearing the glass shattered. That was quite a moment which has been talked death on the Internet but it still seems perfect picked for Elon? Musk it seemed like truly the thing that should happen to him once. I can't remember how I saw a tweet about it but some saying well actually you know it's the Putts Elon Elon. Musk stood in front of a massively. Ahmed looking pickup truck with smashed windows sort of says it all about the future. This is this is the vehicle to Hustle your children into into you know and then behind medically sealed inside and and hope that the the have nots will not be able to batter their way through because they haven't hit the Dole with a hammer thirst for doing the window test. Yes you have to win their tests. I always windows has so if I were to draw parallel to phones I mean the Motorola Razor is a form form factor exploration. I talked about this with Michael Fisher on the show Last week I guess and you know we talked about like why people would want this. What would be polarizing polarizing about it? What would be the drawbacks? And obviously the cyber truck is actually a pretty good analog for that because there is so much about it that immediately screams. There are a lot of reasons. You shouldn't want to touch this thing with a ten foot pole and yet there has been such a dramatic response from the other side. Who seemed to be embracing the contrarian awesome of this vehicle? I would say this is a trillion vehicle. It is very much you know you either love it or he really really don't love it and I mean I must let me know I'd I'd I think the styling is really. It's done the eyecatching. I think that the video of the tug of war with the F.. Fifty I think less interesting was the kind whoever won the tug of war. Whatever reasons that might be behind that intensive physics but I think more interesting was just that difference in styles? It looks like they rendered the the the right of the screen weather truck as and on the F.. One fifty is such a familiar sight. Because you know it looks like so many trucks on the road because fold obviously nobody sells a absolute metric of them so I mean lots of them on the road. It's very hard to imagine. A Tesla cyber truck just pulling past you Yeah and I I know I'm I'm personally on the side of the fence that believes these cyber trek will not quite look as it does brighten. Now I'll absolutely not I mean it's that there are so many things about it wichita which ought not at all production ready with it doesn't have side mirrors in US regulations. Say That at the moment you must have a glass side mirror. which is what's holding off Audi and others who would like to cameras on the side instead of them? I cannot imagine that he will remind it gets in the market without bumpers of some sorts. I want to be the pedestrian industry. And who is responsible testing the safety crumple zones of incredibly strong stainless steel. You know that's the reports of college as opposed to break Kim when you crash because the car is sacrificial you the nuns you have inside knocked so yeah I mean I'm I'm very definitely we've seen the concept on. Lots of people have put look down one hundred dollars that they could get back to help fund production of local wine. And I'm very much looking forward to seeing Side by side talk about that turns out because no it will not look exactly like what we have seen. No almo- almost certainly not granted that won't stop deep brand from selling skins for it already Yeah good for them. You know I mean I think that speaks you know. That's that's kind of speaks to the expectations that concepts can can set set for people and I feel like obviously there are people out there right now who look at this truck and have decided that. Oh this is what it's going to look like. There is a lot of confusion Asian about that because Tesla was not open about the fact that it is a concept. I mean anybody who works in the industry knows looking at that. That's obviously a concept vehicle doesn't meet lighting eating standards visibility standards like could never sell it in Europe because like that thing has more sharp edges than like a pile of knives. But it's there are so many things about would have to change but I feel like a huge part of the Internet his latched on to the various specific ecstatic Elon. Musk who I think it's fair to say ee. Lon on musk is the person behind much of this design. It feels very personal to him. Yeah everything I've heard from people talking whether whether that's within several kinds of people who know people have it's this is definitely this is what e- wanted the truck to look and go you make this happen and I. I think it's interesting because in previous years we've seen previous Tesla caused has been just as most of Musk Fanta for the model for the model three blacks rex but all of those caused kind of has we sold them for the first time would come fairly close to what the production car and looking like. Yeah and I I think in in a sense you know we tesla has set this up to expect that that they don't really do prototype so concept cars so much they just kind of say look we have made this incredible things thing and he will want it because it does electric and and I wonder whether that has played some role there in Maine people thinking hang on. I'm GonNa get this incredible wedge. I think you're absolutely right about that. The Tesla has set that expectation but Tesla's designs have also I wouldn't say Tesla's cars are ugly but they are very generic in a way. The lions aliens are very simple There are lots of very gentle swoops. You know nothing too dramatic or edgy. I think they they play a lot with Tessa supplied with shape. I think more than a lot of automakers do you get the sense that Tesla could be shrunken down to like something the size of the toy and you could feel the shape of that a car in your hand in a way that would feel like a like a polished rock. Almost you know. They're very smooth cars because the loco fishing of drag. They've gone for oftentimes absolutely. Yeah on the Some things that make a lot of sense if you're making electric car particular. which is that you want it to be slippery through the one of the things that surprises me? Kind of the model three is how I always think it looks better in chunks raw as a whole if you catch size of one kind of between the causing traffic just see like the the side mirror brace bracket is really quite beautiful innocence. Some which are quite elegant. You know there are some angles on it. Whichever sweeping flooding and then we put it all together? It's like yeah yeah I think yeah it feels like actually we're going to go off on a tangent about this. When I look at the model three I always see two different cars? There's the rear quarter view. You which I think is great. There's the front quarter view which I think is well. I not as much of a fan playing aero-dynamics more on the front. I feel like in the back doc. I feel like they had A. They have actually a pretty unique. Look in the rear of that car in the front it is kind of a blob. Unfortunately d think that they went. He went extreme with the cyber truck because some of the feedback to the model. Why was that? It was just a slightly inflated mogul through your I don't know I mean it's I I feel like this probably the cyber truck design has been sketched on a Napkin for some years now. I don't know that it's a response in the model y which admittedly has been it quite harsh. I don't think that ugly. I don't know how long I would say that. That's that design has actually been finalized but he had. Yeah Yeah No I. I don't think otherwise ugly but I think it is very clear what it is related to Moso when you went from s two X. Yeah yeah which we know I. I called the Model X.. When it came out the machine that births model S.'s it's like the mother wail centuries? Yes it does look like it just opens up a Model S.. Comes out of the back of it. So what do we talk about concepts you know. This is something that we used to see Ed more with smartphones. We used to see companies. Bring us you know like new ideas that were a little crazy in a little on the edge and going back to the razor. I feel like that was actually the one where we did get a little. Bit of a preview It was three years ago. Three and a half years ago. Now when the When the first motos e dropped rice yes so so in San Francisco you know Lenovo had that event and you could go to this little blinova? RND talk that. They had right there and they had you know the head of their R D operation showing off like three different foldable prototypes. They had and one of them was a tablet. One of them was a tablets phone so it folded out to tablet folded up to become a phone. They were all functional They all look kind of Janke but they worked they were you know they were real and so I feel like what we ended up with the irony. You know with a razor which I think it's fair to say has received substantially more praise for its design than the galaxy fold has We ended up going very backwards with that. I don't think at the time you know. Many people were convinced that direction we're vocals were GONNA go toward this admittedly quite retro design language which I think is is pretty interesting components of the two I would much rather have a razer foam factor than a fold phone factor. I think the idea of having a big screen on a smartphone is something that people used to now and I would not like to give up but I also feel feel like carrying a big screen device is annoying sometimes On I think it would be more knowing if I was if I will women's men's clothes and had no pockets to carry a bag around with me incredibly annoying and so the idea of having something which is I've never really felt like. Oh I need something about about the size of an Ipod mini to carry around with me and I'm just folded up into a chunky phone. This goes into my pocket but I have thoughts about. This phone is big. You know I'm just GONNA hold its. It's all going to put it in my pocket with my keys. Yeah that's that's kind of where I fall on that spectrum but I know that other people feel differently there are a diversity of opinions opinions out there on it. I will say I think that the Motorola version for the reasons you cite has much more of a mainstream appeal. I think it's much easier to sell people that idea and say well now. Your phone is huge and it doesn't fit anywhere and you're constantly dropping it. Well what if we just made it so it folds up and so when you drop it basically as a case on it already and you don't have to worry about scratching it up. which all of STU if you keep your gene if you keep your phone excuse me if you keep your gene in your phone if keep your phone in your jeans you know that little that little change POCKET DOC at Rivet Hits it every time you pull the phone out. It's just the worst so I did find the price we pay for keeping a dime on us all the time. Yes it is I I just I find it. I find it curious that you know this. Radical form factor update for phones. You know the the direction that seems to be both practical bill so far. Is You know one we already explored. I'm not sure where I was taking that in larger discussion about design and concept cars. But I think that the razor blade the angle with no. I'm sure there was an angle. was that sometimes. You know the extreme concepts concepts that we say as valid in the long term perhaps as some of the maybe more mainstream ones which actually turned out to be deceptive in this implicitly. I couldn't couldn't have said it better myself. That actually couldn't say again. I've been yeah so I think that well. Let's let's talk about the future of phone. So I talked about this with with Michael Fisher Fisher last week and brought to the razor. We are of differing points of view on this in terms of what the future holds to me. I as much as I see some of the ball drawbacks of the big flat screen. That foldable like the razor solves. I also see the compromises that design introduces especially for the time being because plastic plastic and all of that kind of stuff you know just general reliability. You know how you have to design something folding moving components in everything even if all of that were solved loved I still feel like probably. These phones will remain expensive and at least considerably more expensive than our regular old bricks and that to me on on the conceptual level there's nothing that seems totally broken about the brick that needs to be revolutionised or am. I just not being being forward thinking enough. I think you're being realistic. which is important you know? And I think you're right that this is not going to be a mainstream foam factor anytime soon if a toll but I I mean I feel like if you go back to the first few generations of galaxy note and not size of scream and then you go back before that look at something like the Dell streak which I can still remember the vote missile donations by besides. Yeah I know and it was like it was back can win. The first ipod was coming out with news. This kind of like well this is. What is it what you know? Is it a fun as the tablets. at what is this the future and in a way it kind of did turn out to be the future because big screens have become ubiquitous. Now I don't know I feel like the there is a we have reached a kind of limit. The moment were in screen size. You can't go that much bigger because while I it's like wheels. Yes absolutely lupe because you know practically than used to you stop to lose things in return for the benefit of having more screen real estate and I feel like the the raw always going to be people who want a bigger screen and so a foldable device will cater to those people. But I don't think I I agree with that. I don't think this is going to be the future of phones. Yeah so I I. I drew an analogy when talking about this with Michael last week that I was a car analogy so I think it works and I I asked him. Do you think I think in the future you know because smartphones we've reached saturation the markets massive. There are just so many handsets shipped every year and manufacturers are struggling more and more to differentiate they're coming me more and more expensive but there's clearly a market of people who are willing to pay an obscene amount of money for a phone. You know people are buying the iphone. Eleven pro Max It's I'm sure it's selling very well so clearly. You know whether or not that's for reasons that are practical as much as well as the new iphone and I must have the new iphone but I thank you know the way I looked at the razor was say you know if this phone sounds like this will cost twelve hundred fifteen hundred dollars for the perceivable future or more but it becomes a little easier to produce them they become more reliable most of the kind of basic limitations behind them. Dissolve into the background. where it's like? Well you aren't giving up much. You just have to pay for it. Do you feel like there could be a category of essentially like I would tell them the sports cars of phones these exotic devices where you can support a business business can act as a halo product from the rest of your portfolio and maybe they don't make a ton of money but you know they're really what gets people in the door what people associate associate the brand with versus trying to make something like the razor mainstream. Yeah I would like to think that there would be a room. Always something exciting different even very you know one should by a first generation Motorola razor just seems like a given an probably no one should buy a second generation But I'm very glad that there are people out there who are buying them and Tina who have kind of disposable income to spend on something which is pop useful and partly just for the I love the attack and I think the sports car analogy is on the record. We're going to be people who is GonNa be a always a massive audience of people who need something reliable on who go down and buy A Chevy Malibu reliable anyway who who got a Toyota Camry which is a very solid gray recall does everything he would want it to But probably isn't going to get your heart rate going. You know. It isn't going to be something that you'd be like. Oh we must outside to the parking garage and see my Toyota Camry which is a shame maybe book more camry fetishists. But that's a that's Oh yeah the community I want to get into a niche within a niche. I think yeah there is. There is always going to be in caused this kind of group of people who want to have something which very few other people have and I think that's part of the appeal. I think if ironically if photos became mainstream would be a group of people who'd be like. Oh well I didn't want mainstream anymore. All I want whatever is next so there's always going to be like this cohort of people who a willing to pay more for something that very fewer people are. Yeah absolutely and I just wonder you know now that we've we've watched the market for smartphones really mature. You know the part of the appeal of upgrading. Your smartphone and has been in the last decade. There has been some pretty substantial improvements that have come a long. You know we've a lot of them are iterative but if you go back to an iphone four even I and compare the camera and the battery life and what the screen looks like. And all of that. You'd be like Oh this is actually garbage Guess cars move into. We thought it was great. Yes we did we I mean. The design was revolutionary. It was like totally like no other phone. It looked before which was cool but with cars you know the product cycles so slow hello and also the car itself has honestly changed very little in the last probably twenty five thirty years I feel like especially we started. Slow down outside of like the very exotic stuff where you know. Some exciting things are happening but for being a regular ordinary cars things haven't changed and so as the smartphone like really stabilizes realizes and just basically becomes a commodity I do wonder if we'll eventually see more investment income by companies into these halo style products in a way they were. They probably wouldn't have justified it before because it would be too risky. It would be too much of a diversion of business resources whereas today will you can say Samsung wants. Make the Galaxy S. eleven. Do we need to put all you know how many how many of our engineering resources realistically do. We need to put into this device to make sure I heard that it's competitive with everything else that comes out next year. And how much do we have left over for the really radical ideas. You know the things where we're spending a lot of money we're probably not making much and end you know we're making we're taking risks and I think that we haven't you know the phone hasn't become mature enough yet. I think we're just on the cusp of that. Perhaps I think there's something about you can either take a risk. Because he wants to make something that is punishable new for its own sake or you can see his well. Let's rinse those very early adopters to get them to foot. The bill full developments. That are GONNA filter down. I think we do you know. I think he actually the car industry is a good example about you look at some like Bhagat Safe Winstons owned by VW group. You know very few people are GonNa go out and buy it three and a half million dollars. Pathetic Sharon sadly cough. Aw but you know some of the things that The GOTTI has done in undeveloped that and has been able to to do that that they are very upset about you know that they can do only because they have these incredibly well-heeled customers those things do gradually filter on down through the whether it's a engine timing stuff different systems. Put the TAB. The Tab charges are managed that kind of thing things filter down from those incredibly expensive. 'cause into overtime you know the Audis and the porsches is on the VW goat isn't say whatever the a within the group so I kind of wonder whether policy issues that we don't have any of these big phone groups. Thanks for instance I guess the closest you get maybe would be like while away on you know where you have different tiers of of provider that there isn't really this kind of there is no you gotta of Afon Bruns. That is part of an overall group rarely can then filter down technology without diluting. The GATTY is doing obviously. It's kind it's always been a race to the bottom and electron ix. So you have to. You have to put the most with the least and that's always been the model but I I just I do wonder you know we. We've seen that happen a little bit with gaming. PC's gaming PC's have once again become quite expensive. If you really want to go all out you know we do see companies like Intel L. and amd bidding out products that are clearly all margin At the very top of their portfolios to people who are willing to pay and it's just about a willingness is to pay it's not about the practical benefit of the product necessarily. It's like I want to have the biggest fastest thing. Yes yeah no one needs to go not sixty in two point. Four seconds seconds as opposed to two point six seconds is being able to say to someone. Mine we'll do two point four seconds you know is the Type of person Not An unusual usual type of person. Who enjoys that kind of this kind of bragging rights thing about which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing? Yeah I mean it's it's a reality that keeps that market it alive which I'm very much in favor of Yeah no I will always be in favor of the. The Wang waving keeps sports car alive. I think that's a that's a reality. We must live with yes. I cleared having nice things and we like things so way. Fo- spanks thanks quote. Chris Davies wave those wings. And I know but it's a good one for the show. I think we we've met bar. I forget where I wanted to go after this the wing waving is totally totally thrown. Me Off here let's Let's take a minute to thank our sponsor ourselves The android please podcast live on twitch. Four Times a week You can catch us on Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays. Doing a podcast. On on Tuesdays we have to queue in Asia with cody and Orbin. We can't do it without your support. The best way to do that. 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It's you know it's something that is very easy to tap into and and I think it's also unfortunately one of those caused. That looks much better in person. The pictures come. Because I know that you know you have been very reticent to set to St Louis I of the new Mustang Rocky. You have have been very quiet about that. I I do have to say that even if it does look better in person. Those wheels the Wheel Arches are criminal. I don't know how those made it in their very very strange. They offer strange odd decision. But I think as a car for Ford that this is definitely the most important vehicle. They've introduced probably recent the explorer. I think that's fair to say Yeah or even before him. I think it's it's a call. They definitely needed to do and they needed to commit to it and they needed to give it every possible opportunity to to kind of John Catch. Hold which you know calling it. A Mustang is part of that. Yeah so what do you think that you know for long term strategy if you look at Mustang sales of her last you know eight to ten years. Basically since the recession Mustang sales bounceback wants back for a little bit but they've been on a steady decline for the last four years or so and you know for with generation Mustang honestly aside from the switch to IRA independent rear suspension. The car fundamentally did not appeal to new fires. It didn't try to up the technology very much it was still just about. It's just an engine in the set of wheels. Let's be honest and attached to a brand. You know it's the brand. It's the engine. It's the it's the everything Mustang stands for and I do wonder. Do you feel like did the audience for that kind of car is shrinking. Absolutely yeah I think so. And I think the full rank Thorough plans for a hybrid mustang. which will be you know like an actual could rather than this? SUV's factor that will soon fall roll. They've said is kind of power of va with more like a V6 sort of sized engine engineer most so we don't know exactly what it's going to be like but I. I think that they recognize that. The audience out full dot sort of traditional coupon convertible is shrinking is dying. There are a few people interested in that so I feel like I think that you're seeing I think might might might take onto has been you with the younger generation of buyers are seeing people that look at cars I as a practical conveyance and second is a lifestyle choice where you know earlier generations often that was flipped because everybody could buy a new car they were all pretty affordable and so your car much more about making a statement whereas today a lot of people trying to get by without cars. They don't have to have one in if they do they. Kind of the the the one car family I would guess is on the rise. I don't know if I've seen satistics about that but do you. Do you know anything to support that. I think that there is definitely an expectation that people will be able to do more with a bomb vehicle the compromises we'll will be last and I think electric vacation plays nicely because you know the raw packaging benefits to stuff not no longer having a big fuel tank and a big Dessel diesel-engine fronts fronts and being able to Kinda push those electric Out to the PUCK. You bought trees underneath and just having a much. Bigger more flexible Kevin. I think that the definitely still people who have that sort of old school style. Look into the lifestyle. I I think. What's maybe changed as being the lifestyle has changed and that the cause that they identify with not those kind of the big displacement traditional pony cob muscle car kind of things that they want you know people who following the cutting edge trends may be looking for something which which is electric bill which has a kind of a more modern sort of spin on it? And that's why I think the I think the mustangs seen perhaps as being a little good old fashioned and footy answer the people who are coming out with a lifestyle I kind of attitude. It doesn't resonate with them. Yeah and I think that's you know. I think that's probably probably for for me when I look at the. We both live in California so we do have a skewed view of it. But we've rapidly seen basically tesla takeover as has the image car for the state like without a doubt everybody's aspirational vehicle. You have one if you are a typical non-core enthusiast person. It's a tesla like I. I just don't think there are many exceptions. That Real Los Angeles is a bit of a strange car market. There are some people there who still attached you. Know a lot of sentiment and value to certain luxury brands but I think the general population has really shifted to Tesla's. We know this is what you want to own one day. It's the car that you know. Says he feel like you've made it. which is what a lot of the traditional cars Mustang Camaro corvette used to stand for and a lot of ways at least a higher trims? So I think that's been a shift that probably he caught eighty feel like that. I mean I would say the big three off guard absolutely. I think that part of it. I don't know when you will last inside a Mustang or Camaro for that matter Iranian recently. Yeah Yeah I'm so sorry but yeah because you know one of the things that stood out to me when I saw the McCain was the the cabin is just looking ahead in terms of design and fit and finish in the technology and just the quality of you get into a a Mustang and the plastics achieve things breath limb in hard is very much the sense that they focused the spending on a big engine on the performance side of it and maybe the starting side of it and on everything else is kind of the coin is what cuts because like you said you know in the old days that these calls. We're very affordable and to do that. They had to make sacrifices somewhere. I think that that kind of attitude the speed and the performance in the sound is the most important thing has carried on. It means you get into one now. And he's like Oh yes yeah. Fords are probably the least favorite of of any current automaker they are. They're also very claustrophobic. For whatever reason I don't like sitting in their cars very much. They're they're quite one of the things things that they devote specifically talked about when we looked at the Mustang Blackie was the you know they have chosen a positive unusual for them kind of colors. Bright light writers it it feels more area inside and I think that anything is going to sway a lot more people because you get into it and you don't feel like you just sinking into this book. It's pots been black plastic caustic. The things that you'd actually you don't mind touching recoil from him in horror and I if I were to once again draw my contractually obligated analogy phones. I would say that if you're if we're on the cusp of the smartphone. I feel like a lot of cars right now. A lot of you know especially from American. Automakers I feel like late era blackberry and palm where it's like all of the things that these companies are doing are acceptable because no one has emerged to offer them a real challenge college and say you can look at this problem completely differently in offer a totally different solution which is in a way? What apple did you know? You can argue nuances about it. But apple release said well. What if we just got rid of all this legacy stuff that you think is necessary that you think needs to be here and throw it all out the window and it's just a screen now and I think that's actually really? What Tesla did there like? All these buttons and switches. They need to go Just put it all on screen. I mean it. Actually the apple and Tesla Analogy Ajay. Think works fairly well. There in terms of their approach it does but I think where it may be starts to To kind of full show his the facade. Long Tesla any it must have been saying that they want the rest of the industry to catch up. You know that they are so keen and excited about this idea of the rest of the world catching up releasing electric. 'cause moving away from Templeton Russian and I think that they I think they do that but I think that they end up then forcing themselves into more more extreme positions Vehicles like Siva truck. Because I think that when you are our small player yeah all of a sudden other people come along and things like you know sufficient range and performance and quality in the charging infrastructure which is slowly starting to get the When the when the low hanging fruit is picked off then you have to go from all kinds of extravagant sheltie things which I didn't think apple necessarily early how to do whereas I feel like we've kind of seen with the salvator particularly this sort of got we need to Kinda crank up the showmanship? We need to bring out a concept car because all of the things that we were doing that no one else was doing and we will point to him saying. Why aren't they doing this now? The kind of starting to do I mean I don't know I guess you could say it's kind of Tesla's trash can Mac moment went but I think I agree. The analogy does breakdown when really truly explored. But I think it's also you know like you said it's a function of cars moving more slowly slowly. Things take a long time and takes a long time to be responsive and I think with smartphones but we saw was apple. You know as a brand became highly associated with this says how you do it and I do think Tesla's still has that pretty commandingly so far you know they've they've they've defined the conversation which I think is the biggest thing you can do in any product segment you can say you can basically set the blueprint and I think that you know with certain cars you know like some some automakers like Ford obviously with Machi gone all in on Tesla's approach. They've said all right. This is what selling like we should sell. What sells that's an obvious approach whereas you have another brand like Porsche which is saying you know? No no we are going to take what we do. And we're going to apply it to this larger electric concept. If you driven the taken yet I haven't I I was supposed to and then I couldn't make it was very annoyed but I think the interesting thing the is the maybe push. It can do that because they are politics. Volkswagen group and so do they can do that because the folks is going to turn out however many tens hundreds of thousands of ID threes and fours. Whatever on they're going to be like a vast vast number of basic regular electric 'cause from Volkswagen group across its various Brunson poultry will be able to kind of cherry pick the best of those components? I think the car industry does move new very slowly but once you get up to speed with these kind of platforms auto tech Cha's like VW's some other companies. It means that they he can very quickly Say Well Okay we're GONNA make the hatchback and then we're also going to use the same platform extended slightly put music extra length possible batteries in some kind of a billion really. And we've got to make a different size crossover because we can just shrink that down all of a sudden they have maybe took them a while to get up to speed and once the the the the scaling I think is a lot easier for them to tesla will experience. Yeah I think that makes sense. I did remember what I wanted to talk about. I think it's good. I think it's a little bit to end the show on because it's actually related to our subject matter in some kind of way so I mean I'm sorry you know I. I'm sure everybody wants keep talking about cars cars endlessly but we are GonNa talk about cars just more mobile related sense so one of the things that we hear blasio unite both go to a lot of events put on by the likes of QUALCOMM. Welcome carriers and basically everybody. Let's say the larger five G. space which makes me feel icky say but it's true so qualcomm and all these other companies carriers especially talk a huge game about like V v C and five G. and enabling you know oh the vehicle communication and all sorts of things and I feel like ice just hear crickets from automakers on most of this stuff there seems to be live. Live very little interest in discussing product-development plants and where this technology stands with them and we see all these technology companies acting like. Oh you're going to see the stuff in the next few years. I don't I don't know if I buy that. What's what's your take on? How do you relate the cars? I think I mean I think the survey stuff on the kind of vehicle to infrastructure stuff stuff is really interesting but like you say we haven't really seen a huge amounts of of actual movements at that in terms of commercializing it. There's been a few if you know you can buy in particular the thing. The Cadillac C. S. has vetoed allows cadillacs to talk to each other. I think it's the interoperability thing which has which has struggled the fact that the five G. is nowhere near ubiquitous enough to. You know that if you if you're in a car and some the drive out of coverage when you lose your veto vehicle to infrastructure. What I would say is that we're starting to see it now? Kind of being -cluded in or on the road mapfumo popular calls house said like the new Volkswagen. Gol For instance dragging it back to calls again new New Gulf is going to have veto via stunned. You know and if you look at a number of those caused how's that they sell every year hundreds of thousands across Europe and this is kind of like all of a sudden you get to this tipping point. It just takes someone saying well we're GONNA make it default volt looking to make it's time to just like we saw with Fujioka in caused WIFI hotspots in the manufacturer saying well look we're GONNA put it in some people will activate it some people won't we can maybe use the Lt backbones deliver some things we can do something with it and the number of people activating it and paying every month will kind of balance it out for the people people who don't I think five G. has a I agree with you that we hear a lot of great toke from the carriers and from the chip makers and none none of them really have a particularly because the role of the the most of the people actually building those types into the products and until the cockpit. Decide that this is something. You've is worth enduring if you will pay for. They're not going to do. And I think the Casino for me looking at how cars fell you know. I live in an area where I see waymo vehicle because I saw Waymo as the other day it's I I've seen But you know seeing these cars obviously and learning about like you know. I'm sure you've heard about some of the a new next-gen lighter systems that are going to be a lot less expensive now because they won't require rotating basically anymore So you know as if you know anything about cars in a lighter I think light are sensors can cost upwards of ten fifteen thousand dollars apiece ludicrous like that is insanely expensive. And so there's been a huge tremendous effort by some start ups to really really scale down. That cost sounds like some of them are succeeding now and so to me. It's Kinda the same attention you have with smartphones and five G. when it comes to like on device computing power in a I in very sensors and new kinds of chips are putting in and in cars where we are getting to the point and obviously Tesla has proven to a reasonable extent. You can put enough stuff in a car locally that it can do a lot odd of the operations that were expecting five G. to help enable and so I do think there's some tension there were you. Have you know an approach of like we're GONNA jam car full of sensors and that's going to be approach. We're not gonNA worry about all of this vehicle infrastructure nonsense or complying with these standards. You know when we can just say one hundred percent foreshore under every condition connection or not. Your car is going to be able to respond to behave the way you want it to versus the other side where I think you know. Obviously I think Volkswagen is in the VW that makes sense because they're in mass market had economy cars where they're saying a modems a lot cheaper if we can just send and receive data. That's you know a lot less of an investment for us but you know you you wonder like well is the our economies of scale just going to make it such that not putting the sensors in the car just becomes foolish. funnily enough I'm so full will will the Mustang Marquee will loan with just a regular adaptive cruise control but down the line but one thing that planning to do is kind of a tesla style. autopilots tall comes off system. Though which will use attention monitoring sensor on the steering column. You'll be able to just it was people keep to the lane They're gonNA use some high position. GPS mapping from super crews and the building the sense in from the stocks so most trims of the car they haven't said exactly which yet but they will have things like the ultrasonic sensors and the Eh cameras and things but those have law and so they wouldn't confirm exactly how many lighter sentences there again to be interesting. But I mean like he's thank you say this is. This is very very unusual for kind of reproduction cough to including any light offenses just his up until very recently it was just a prohibitively expensive. You know it was not something really expensive and also they won't really you know spinning sense. That sticks out of the bodywork of the car is on the top of the car. Like top hats. It's aesthetically it doesn't work damaged easily. A light art center does look legitimately silly. It does it does. And so these kind of solid state sensors. That can be fed in that. A lot complaints The smaller companies the companies. The Tae one kind of supplies like people like that slipping working on the can just be hidden behind the body. We don't need to have kind of big cutout windows and things. I think we're starting to see now. The point what Tesla the Ford plans to just include thoughts on all of the the kind of the eligible models at some point the will be a phone phone were updates and they get enabled them. I mean that seems like kind of a game changer. In this is something that you know. The manufacturers mentioning names have said financially infeasible isn't really required for the systems and so to see a kind of one of the mainstream big three automakers saying no we're GONNA kinda use lied are in some sense. I think he's really interesting and at some point. Obviously you're going to probably have a situation where WAYMO Who I think it's fair to say they are the leaders on self driving a proven in a line live environments? You know waymo gets lots of deserve criticism for certain things but I think in terms of actual product and showing off. You know nobody's nobody's had more guts In terms of like saying just get her car and ride and see what happens you know. They've done that now. And it works And I know that Uber has already you know basically said is in some recent business filings and statements on the record like we're probably going to half the license license Google's technology. That's the way it's going to have to be if we want. self-driving taxis and I'm sure carmakers Fiat. Chrysler is already showing a strong interest in Google technology. You too so at some point you have to imagine that Google way mobile just have basically here list of specifications. Here's what your car needs to have and beacon licensed since you this package where they just become a bosh basically. Yeah and and I think people coming look looking at it from the smaller funds on the fence. Things may be. Don't really understand how modular is is. Some of the technology is the ultimate cause using the test is quite unusual for doing a lot of it in house and even then you know it uses census mother people at the RAW. If you have on adaptive cruise control system in your car or lane keeping assistance so blind spot monitoring is often just both from Tehran. Supply like Bausch oath someone like that and just dropped wholesale into the car just Stitched together like some on wrinkly Frankenstein's monster. Yeah so I think yeah there is. There is entirely the possibility of of of someone like waymo being like well. We're not going to make our own. 'cause I do that the economic data terrible in the margins on building in causes pretty bad. So why don't we just be supply for thing. That increasingly old cars are going to need to have. Yeah I think that's CNN kind of the future that makes it makes a lot of sense given where state of the market is in Tesla's obviously never going to share anything they have They have no interest in doing that. And why would they honestly you know. Yeah they don't they don't need that it's it's exclusive thing that they have. You can count on to differentiate themselves. 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"Yeah. I'm shooting at every muzzle flash. That I see a buddy Palmer's up in the Mark nineteen and he's rocking it and he's just putting rounds right into muzzle flashes. And they were just everywhere. Combat isn't about glory. It's about serving the mission and doing what needs to be done to achieve an objective. But there's still something particular about the bond. Combat veterans form forged in circumstances that most people really can't comprehend. Maybe it's the day to day closeness or the reality that each day could be your last or maybe seeing that someone else literally is willing to give their life for you transcends conscious decisions about friendship and loyalty. And I just remember as little tiny just little hole right on his right cheek. And there's still a little bit of blood. And I was like I was like who is that. And they're like it's Palmer. What is true bravery? What makes the hero a hero tested by the worries of what's happening at home, thousands of miles away and the reality of what you're facing here. And now when your life is in danger every second and it's either kill or be killed and original podcast from incongruity media. This is Anthony Russo. And this. Is war? As an upper middle class, teenager Barclay. Davis was expected to do a lot of things but joining the army as an infantryman wasn't one of them. The thing is Davies didn't have a better plan. He knew he needed to grow up a bit. And that there was no faster way to do that than in the US military. So he signed up against both his parents wishes and advice, I was kind of didn't want to be looked at as just a rich kid who got handed everything in life. And I wanted to just do something different. And I knew that I wasn't ready for college. I went into the army recruiter. That's how I became interested. And you know, they tried to tell me like you can get this this benefit and this job skill. And I was like honestly, I just wanna I wanna do door kicking. I want to do the I want to actually fight. So I just signed up as infantryman. I was probably the easiest sell ever. Remember at maps the guy. He's like you're going to go in as easy to this is your pay grade. And we're. Give you three thousand dollar bonus. All you gotta do sign up for four years. And I was like, oh, I get paid the breath is a two was one of the things that concerned his parents whether he had wanted to be known for his upbringing or not they understood how little he knew about the world. But by the time he took his place as a SOG on her in the eighty second airborne with the first of the five oh fifth. He was his up to speed as he could be his unit already had been to have ghanistan influenza. And when he joined was just back from global quick response. Deployment to help with the Iraq elections that unit toughened up. Pretty quick. It was before hazing started getting cracked down on. It was rough. There was a lot of private fights kinda like fight club. But with new guys not like beating the absolute shit out of each other. But doing a lot of jitsu combative moves and choke each other out, you know, in somebody's barracks room surrounded by a bunch of team leaders squad leaders because smoked a lot. I mean, hours and hours of pushups of. Clutter kicks and burpee. He's and you got really strong. And if you're if you're a fuck up, you got even stronger, we had a saying you can't smoke a rock, but you can heat it up until explodes. The hazing did serve a purpose though. This was two thousand and five and especially during the early parts of the war. Combat veterans were aware of the gap in training inexperienced that they had faced between graduation from airborne school in hitting the ground in the Middle East. They knew that no matter how hard you were before combat started. Once it did you wished you were a little bit harder and a little bit tougher you needed a new bottom level of aggression, because even though you weren't certain where you'd be sent you knew it would be a place where life and death could be decided by preparation alone. I think they kind of mentally prepared for what was going to happen. When you sign up at that time, you definitely gonna go. Yeah. We found out when we were in Kuwait that we're gonna go to beigey which is north of to crit, and it was a town of about a couple hundred thousand people. It's a shithole replacing the hundred and first rocket Sohn's, they stopped going into the main part of the city because every time they went in there. They either got blown up or shot up. I mean the first week of right seat rides a couple of platoons in my company gotten some gunfights. And then it was kind of a weekly deal after that. Establishing a presence after relieving another unit is never simple, sometimes the insurgents play a wait and see game lowing the fresh troops into a false sense of security that wasn't the case in beigey, but not long after taking full charge of the area of operations the soldiers. Learn just how well the insurgency was prepared for this new group of American fighters are police station was on one end of route Tampa, which ran all the way through beigey to the other side where there was another Iraqi police station, we decided that we're going to run Chow to the other police station where the other platoon was we go down to the Iraqi police station problem, we get there we unload and middle night, we unload all the. How we get back in the trucks, and it's only two of us to our humvees and we're driving back in. There's this this building and called the ice house Humphries are pretty loud. And you could just hear the driving the humvee. We're like we're kind of bullshitting back and forth in in. We're all talking. And then all of a sudden, we just get ambushed. It was insane of first thing that happens is of fucking RPG flies in and blows up under our humvee when these RPG's go off as a really bright flash. And then everything opened up on us and everybody it went from com. Joking around collected to just fuck and chaos. I mean, that's not even that doesn't even do it Justice. It sounded like rain like a heavy rain on our humvee. There was tracers everywhere. All the windows were were spire webbed the tires went flat. And our Ford observer was up in that gun not returning fire. And I was punching him in the leg. Screaming at him. When we're all yelling at him. You gotta return fire man, or we're gonna end. Of our vehicles shot to shit somehow. It's still running. And if you don't start doing something, we're going to be fucked and the the truck behind his Cheryl, I can hear them in the fifty Cowan. He's just rocking that thing. It was a really bad situation because there's only two vehicles in a handful of us. And we're in the middle of this city. I don't even know how many guys are was. But it felt like every corner and side street for about a mile these guys were in and we're taking fire from it. It was a lesson in how well connected the insurgency lines of communication were. They saw the trucks go out and we're able to organize a coordinated attack in less than half an hour before the trucks returned with the forward observer frozen. The fact that Cheryl stepped up and provided enough cover for the two home vs to limp back to base was the first of multiple acts valor Davies would witness on this deployment it also solidified the need to finish the joint security station or J SS. It was to be a shared staging area for the US and Iraqi forces. If it was going to get built safely, though things we're going to have to chain and we're going to deny the terrain to the enemy at all costs. We're not gonna sit on the base. And we did we were constantly patrolling. We had a presence there. I mean, probably twelve of the twenty four hours a day. And also we did a ton of hits kicking in doors every night. I mean, we're catching guys nonstop every night. We're out. Doing hits. And during the day, we're doing patrols, and we were going and talking to a lot of the local leaders Iraqi police Iraqi army local sheikhs restaurant owners. I mean, just anybody who was anybody in that town, and it sounds and good. But when you're in a city, that's the biggest threat is snipers, you sit anywhere in that fucking place for more than thirty minutes. You're gonna get shot up, and we would sit there for hours. I mean, they would go in there and just shoot the shit with these guys and snipers with roll up and take a shot at us. It got really nerve wracking. We come to expect that lots of times the snapper will give away their position by the consistent firing alone. But things were different in Beijing and really all over rack in two thousand and six rather than whole up the snipers would shoot and disappear leaving only shell casings. Once the armed response started. They had an excellent sense of the US reaction time leaving the soldiers very few proactive options besides constant scanning high. Alert and a quick response. We were starting to build our J assess at the Iraqi police station, and there was guard towers already at it against the Iraqi policemen's vice we decided, well, we're going to pull security up in these towers, and they're like, okay. But one of our policemen got shot in the head by sniper last week. We're like all right. Well, we'll just put some cammo netting up on there. And they'll be fine. We'd probably been manning those towers, maybe a day. I remember I was outside of the trucks. Also hear the shot Powell. And I can hear over the I con's all the radios. Hey with fuck that come from is everybody. What Zine way seen anything? Hey tower one what's going on their street towers to answer back? Yeah. We're good. I don't know where it came from one of the guys in my platoon. He ran up to the tower to go check on or V, and he looks up. Blood and spinal fluid and everything just fucking witness face. You trip just running out of the trap door on the tower. He came running back screaming, and we're like what the fuck what what happened, and he was laying on top of the trap door to the tower. So we had to pull up the humvee, and we had to have our medic scale the side of this tower in out in the open with snipers all over the damn place. I remember the first sergeant he's like trying to be sensitive is like bag him up, and what's get him in a humvee. And we'll we'll get him back to base. And then we need to get up a troll up, and we got to go find this guy. And that night was the fuck and weirdest night of of all time beigey was a small city and the army was willing to take it apart to find the sniper into demonstrate that it would be relentless in the pursuit of insurgents at the time. They didn't realize how quickly this attitude would pay off. But before. The sun rose the next day the soldiers would establish that there were consequences for working with the insurgency. Attention the BG region to be sure, but it wasn't necessarily against the US forces or at least exclusively against them all the work. The army had put in meeting with local officials and working to train and equip the police force was about to be put to the test just as the army wouldn't tolerate being denied access to patrol the streets. It wouldn't see the ability to use guard towers to the threat of snipers. We have our interpreters start calling some local informants, and and different people. And for some reason some people came in and told the Raqi police. Yeah, we know who did it. We got our squad together. It was my squad. And we went to this house, and like, you know, two o'clock in the morning and his raining. It was raining. Like crazy. We get in there. And these guys are nowhere to be seen only thing in. There is just a group full of women huddled in the corner. And then a couple kids and some babies we searched that house top two. Him and you know, in these people's houses, they don't have a lot of stuff. You know, they go back out, and they're like they talked to the informant and he's like, no he's in there. We're. I was still in there. I was actually pulling security on the women because you can't touch them. You barely can look at them. But you definitely can't put your hands on just because of their customs. We try to respect that. They're like, no he's in here, and I go, hey, wait a second. What they're they're sitting on something they're hiding something. So the other squad leader Barringer, he grabs one of the women and moves her aside, and we start pulling them away and they're screaming, and they're No, MR Mr. no-no and somebody pulls the blanket up that they were sitting on and this assholes underneath there. And he hops up and screams and runs right? At me. I mean, I I couldn't shoot him. We get tangled up and I'm trying to punch him and I'm like on top of him. And you know with the amount of gear that I got on. I'm like a turtle. You know, I can't can't move that. Well, and he's fighting like crazy, and then the rest of the squads, you know, we're trying to subdue. Asked and they're kicking the shit out of him. And he's fighting back. And finally, we get him. I mean, he was scrappy we get his ass turned over and flex cuffed. And I drag him outside. We got him put up with all of the chaos in the shuffle in the screaming women took a little while for the interpreters to get the soldiers attention, according to their informants. They got the wrong guy or rather? They didn't get the right guy. They're like that's the spotter. That's not the shooter. They are still in there. And we're like, you gotta be kidding. Where where's this guy? One of my buddies goes back in there, and there's a couch, and he flips this couch over and there's a midget hundred. And this guy was a like, I don't know. How tall he was like four feet tall. He was the sniper. Same thing. They had a scuffle with his ass. I was outside watching the guy that we just detained. It was so mind blowing first off the fact that there's nothing in the house barely except a couch. You knew never think that somebody could be underneath that. Ouch. We'll bring him out. Yeah. We ended up sending their asked to the Tiffen couple months later. They hung his ass. Yeah. It was good. It was very satisfying. But it didn't bring our V back. Even if I'd killed the guy wouldn't have been satisfying enough because it, you know, it's a guy that you've trained with for years. I mean, by that point we've been training for well over a year, we'd hang out on the weekends together. We it's like your brother. It's it really is you know, everything about him. But fortunately for a lot of the snipers that that we dealt with we ended up catching because they like to go off they they would kill one of my friends in that go. Brag about it. And I guess we had enough friends in this town, well friendly or sympathetic people that they they would come tell us, and we would go find that guy. Normally that night before the tour was over Davies would lose three friends to sniper attacks. And these nightly hits would run the gamut from knocking on doors at two AM ask. Around for people to blowing the doors to Helen dragging them out by the time. It was ready to head out for leave new guys tend to get the early spots in the late spots. Tension was again rising in Beijing. While he was on leave. Another soldier was killed in an ambush and the army responded with gloves off approach they shut down the city with the demand that the people responsible were caught and handed over by the time Davis got back from leave the city essentially was under siege. It was cold as shit because it was January. It was the city was also Neha. It was a little town. It was hard because we completely surrounded the city with checkpoints, and you weren't getting out of there without being fully padded down your vehicle searched and it was around the clock twenty four seven. There was a curfew, and these people a lot of the men in that city came out in protested. There was some pretty tense moments when they would protest. We'd have to throw CS gas into the crowd less lethal rounds in grabbing people and detaining assholes that were throwing rocks, and they're pushing they're trying to get through the barriers, and it was just chaos and all the while you have to worry about one of these guys blowing themselves up or shooting you or a car driving up to the checkpoint in blowing up, and that's where he really saw how much people hated you. But we didn't get shot at from that city. They I think they realized how bad they fucked up, and they're like, we're not gonna make this any worse by that time. We're starting to to build our J assess we're starting to spend more time in the city. We start doing way more dismounted patrols the surge was starting to kind of pick up as a surge began kicked off one of the most violent Connectik years of the war for the filters of the eighty second beigey. It also would be something of a slog Davies spent days upon days feeling sad. Sandbags to shore up the J assess as it neared completion. He said it made him feel like they were in Vietnam in the nineteen seventies with the J assess up and running the soldiers could split time between it and fob summer all while providing security for engineers tasked with clearing and securing route Tampa was on April third, and I remember it because it was my birthday was the fourth than I was going to be twenty one the company was clearing highway one with the engineer company, and they were filling in pot holes. They were moving jersey barriers. They were just giving more standoff on this road. So that there was nowhere to put ideas. And that was one of the reasons why we needed to be out there as well was to over watch the cement dry, so that nobody came up and planted something in it while it was still wet as we're pulling up to relieve the other squad, just like every other gun fight. We got in they initiated with an RPG. It was in the exact same location as the first ambush. I was in right in front of the the ice house, and they opened up on us. And it was just it was unbelievable. How many rounds they are shooting at us, and our S O P in these ambushes was to turn into the fire and open the doors and get out and lay down a base of fire. And then have another squad maneuver on them. Whether it be with humvees or on foot. We get out. I have my saw and I just start dumping and I'm shooting at every muzzle flash. That I see my buddy Palmer's up in the Mark nineteen and he's rocking it and he's just putting Browns right into muzzle flashes. And they were just everywhere there's muzzle. It was it was insane. There is just. And I had my nods down. So it was kind of blinding all the muzzle flashes and than ours. And and just everything going off tracers everywhere. There was a lull in the fight. There. Was you ceasefires? She's fire. It's still it's you can hear there's nothing. I have my nods down watching this alleyway, and I just see the sky run across and I opened up on him. Right. As he almost got to the other side. And I I just shot him until he stopped moving and then the firefight presumed again all the engine years, they're like we can't be out here with this shit. And so they kinda packed up everything. And we're like all right. Well, I guess we we ought to you know, we are ex fill back to the base because this shit's crazy the bonds that are formed during these firefights are permanent as much because it is a life and death bond that is rarely seen outside of combat by this part of the deployment theories. No self deception about the risk as long as. There is shooting. There's the possibility that you could be the one who dies throwing that understanding at the enemy as part of a team is a thing onto itself. It's the biggest adrenaline rush. I've ever experienced in my life. I ever will experience in less somehow getting another war your jittery euphoric. You can't it's like you can't believe like holy shit. What you don't realize what? Like man, I was in the middle of weird just shooting rounds back at each other. And you don't think about like how close to that? You how close it is. You could get killed at any second. It's it takes a while their wind down from that. Everybody's excited. Everybody's you know, talking shit to whoever decided to stay in the humvee and not returned fire unite. Unfortunately that happened once in a while guys would, you know, take a knee behind the humvee or get on a corner, not return fire. Fire and that was an especially in my platoon that was really really looked down on any gonna go ostracized. If that was you, of course, that makes perfect sense. These bonds are built under the assumption that everyone is in together. Remember, the courage is the absence of fear. It's the ability to recognize danger and keep going any way of jumping not because you want to so much as because you know, people are counting on you. Everybody wants to go home. But nobody wants to go home at the expense of anyone else in the unit. It's one of those things at amplifies loss during wartime this notion that it could have been you it just wasn't and even when you're doing your job as well as you can sometimes it's not enough. God. I mean, the J assess I can't explain how terrible it was. Because we are right there in the middle of the city, and we got attacked a lot there. We got a ton of mortar attacks if you stuck your head up over. The sandbags during the middle of the day. There's a good chance you're gonna get shot or at least shot at for. Sure. It was nerve wracking because there was only one entrance to R J s and we win against all the rules of combat. Don't make patterns and never use the same entry exit point twice second squad was doing they're just mounted patrol. They had just finished their required. Eight hours of walking around the city. I I was actually in the operation center. The talk in in. I was watching the patrol come in on the cameras. I can only see a couple of guys. And then all of a sudden, I just see everybody on the patrol turn around and start shooting. We're on Q r f I run down. And it's coming over the radio that somebody's shot. One of the guys in my squad done jumps in the the driver seat. And it was just me and him. Because it was right outside the gate. And I jumped in the Mark nineteen on the turret. We take off out there and a couple other trucks we pull up in and we're taking fire, and there's there's round snapping over the top of me, and I'm shooting I'm engaging with with the Mark nineteen in the middle of the day. It feels like it took a long time. But it must have been only a couple seconds. And they they load somebody underneath me because I'm in the turret, and they load somebody underneath me, and I looked down. And I couldn't tell who was and because their face was blue, it was swollen. There was a. It was a nice remembers little tiny this little hole right up on his on his right cheek. And there's still a little bit of blood. And I was like I was like who is that. And they're like it's Palmer hitting me. Man, corporal, Eric Palmer was the other SOG owner who helped him fight off the ambush near the ice house earlier that spring he and Davies had developed that life or death bond, the all or nothing attitude of mutual support. And that point I just picked up Martine, I shot it until we didn't have any Emma left to that. And then I picked up my saw, and I shot that until I didn't have any ammo the medivac helicopter came in. And it was it was really bad. We took him inside of the Jess for a second until the medivac could come in. And then we mounted back up through bunch of ammo back in the trucks called the nine line. Medevac came in to the open field outside of our Jesus. And we rolled back out there. And we just kept taking fire the helicopters getting shot at we drove out is close to the the Blackhawk as we could they pulled him out in late it loaded on the bird. But and then after that, it was you know, it was horrible. Everybody's sitting around. And you know, this is a guy I've spent years with training partying just like brother knew me. And then that happens in an automobile to recognize them. And then the the fucked up thing is everybody we all knew he was dead. It was undeniable and they're like, oh, he he's going to be. Okay. I remember our with Arjun came out there. And he goes, yeah. Everything's alright. Bombers going to be okay. And everybody's like are you are you fucking serious? Did you did you see him? He's he's dead. He's not going to be. Okay. I guess they had him on on life support. His parents flew out. Out to Germany, and I guess they made a decision take him off life support there, and it was horrible. And I I don't know. I I don't know if it was a. I don't know if it was better if he was on life support. So as family could could be there or if he just died out there. So his family didn't have to deal with that. And does really it was really really bad. And that was the point where I was like. Yeah, I'm I'm ready. Get the fuck out of this place. Palmer was shot on June twenty first two thousand seven and the first of the five v who set to rotate out in August, a few weeks later Davies would get word that they were extended to November taking them all the way through the worst of the fighting season. But summer wasn't even well underway yet and the next few weeks would be as difficult as any other part of the tour. Napa also known as highway one ran from fob summer, I'll through beigey to the police station at the far of town. The SS was in the middle and the US and Iraqi forces shared space with different units rotating in and out on three weeks off one week on schedule Davies was at summer. I'll when the bed went off. We're like fifteen twenty miles away from beigey at fob summer. All I'm in bed. And all the sudden it felt like a mortar landed outside of my my chew it like through people out of bed. It was insane. And we go outside, and we're like what the fuck was that a mortar just landed inside of the company area what's going on. And then all of a sudden, they're like, no, AVI bid, just hit the Jess. They're getting overrun their black on ammo. We gotta get the fuck out there, and we go and we run to the ammo dump, and we just start loading up as much as every humvee could take an as we're driving in the city. We just see this. Giant cloud of smoke, and we're taking fire trying to get to the Jess. These guys are like down to like one or two magazines on the rooftop, they're dropping mortars. They got Apaches and Kyle was doing gun runs in the middle of the city. It was complete chaos as soon as that car bomb hit about seventy five insurgents tried to storm the Jess or what was left of the Jess. And I mean, you're seeing guys running down alley. What you don't normally see these guys when they shoot at you. They thought that they had one they thought that they were going to overrun this j assess and they thought it was victory for them. But it wasn't. We ended up killing. I mean, every single one of them that attacked it the worst part of that day. Well, the best part was no nobody on our side died. No, no Americans were killed day. Couple guys got pretty injured. There's some guys that are real fucked up from it. We're trying to help the Iraqi police get their comrades out of the rubble, and they bring in a backhoe. Oh, and I'm watching these guys I see him talking to guys inside of the rubble. And then I watch him bring up the backhoe and they start to try to lift off the rebel as fast as they can. And instead they started crushing these guys to death pointed seen some really bad ship. But that was that was a whole different level of. I couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing, and and they just kept doing it. And they just kept fucking trying to dig through this rubble with this backhoe. And and they just kept crushing these dudes in the whole company were so occupied on getting the the walls backup and getting Hess. Go barriers put up in and rebuilding our defensive positions. So that they can't drive another one into us. Now, a lotta shit changed after that the J SS was functional and better fortified by the time Davies and the rest of the first of the five o v headed home that November. He started partying when he hit the state's got an ill conceived relationship with a woman that would end and infidelity on his next tour and tried to bed. To get his handle on his experience, and what the future held he was planning on getting out. But instead was stop lost just days shy of his E T S and sent back to Iraq. It was a comparatively safe deployment in Baghdad living on fob falcon in two thousand eight although after fifteen months of near-constant engagements in hits and beigey Davies had a whole different perspective on safety, then four hundred ninety days after being stopped lost Barclay headed home back in December two thousand nine and started out processing get now the army, and then I finally moved to San Diego in like January two thousand ten is audit was seamless until I realized that drinking myself to sleep every night wasn't a normal thing and partying nonstop and destroying any relationship. I had regardless of it was romantic or friendship or anything. I just was an asshole. I was. Was extremely unhappy. I felt guilty. I felt worthless. I contemplated suicide all the time. I felt like like a a nervous Chihuahua. I was just like I felt like shaking all the time. And I felt like shit, and it was it was a very weird feeling. I was a mess of probably the worst example of a personal trainer. There was at that moment, I managed to keep my job. I mean, I'd be late once in a while. But you know, people would like give me a pass. Because always just fucked up veteran did that for about six years. I basically was like I've done everything I needed to do in life. Why am I even doing this? And I was just living one day at a time. And it never went away. It's I mean, I've suppressed it now with the with therapy. But for like six years there. I didn't think I had a problem. I had a lot of fun when I was super hammered because I would forget. I wouldn't think about what had happened and then tried to kill myself. I went out with a friend, and we we just got hammered, and I don't remember I was drink. I just drinking everything next thing. I know the next day I wake up in the VA in lawyer, and I'm up on in the psych ward, it was horrible. And I was like what the fuck am I doing here, and there's a bunch of crazy ass bombs, and all these people just completely out of their mind. And I'm just looking around. I'm like, how do I how did I end up here where we're in my life. Did I go wrong that I'm sitting in a fucking psych ward, the VA surrounded by homeless people and people talking to selves as like, I you know, up and come to find out. I tried to try to commit suicide by cop ended up showing up. I guess I kept telling him I had a gun on me. And I was trying to. Them to shoot me, and they wouldn't and then tackled me, and they took me to VA. And then after that, I never drank again. What was tougher Davies to see until it was almost too late is that he was more wrapped up in his experience than he was in its meaning he came through some legitimate ugliness. But forgot the mantra that whatever doesn't kill. You makes you stronger, it's an easy aphorism. But it can be a critical one for many veterans realizing you've come out of it is the first step letting make you stronger as the next one as a personal trainer. He knew that sometimes people needed help getting stronger. So that's what he did. He got help and he got stronger, and I was so self centered. And so like, pour me to to do that to my family, and my friends, and and my clients and just everybody who relied on me for or new me I wanted to hopefully, reach out and help other veterans that are struggling with p. T S D And the ones that are drinking themselves to sleep every night. Don't kill yourself. I mean, you're not doing anybody any favors. It's when you kill yourself. You're not living for the people that died, and you have to live that life. You have to live your life as best you can for the people that can't anymore. We often hear combat veterans talk about fighting for the people to their left in their right? But would Davies figured out is if the guys on your left and your right don't make it that doesn't mean you stop fighting for them in Iraq. When guys got killed it only made the rest of them fight harder. If there's one thing worth bringing home from the war. It's probably that keep fighting because you can and because they can't. Next time on this is war. The blast went off. It was incredibly loud. Very confusing. I'd no idea what the hell just happened. And then the truck just kind of filled with dirt and dust. Are you a combat veteran or do, you know one with a story to tell reach out to us at stories at this is war dot com with your dates and branch of service, and a brief description of the experience that you'd like to share. This is war was written by me, Anthony Russo and produced by incongruity media. 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111: Does Love At First Sight Exist?

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111: Does Love At First Sight Exist?

"This news hello and welcome to him. Sapiens let me. Just check my phones of yes. It is always a step in the right direction when it's christopher sweeney. This is taking extra. It's where we your emails. It's where we go through. Lgbtq plus. It's where we topic of the week this week. It's love of her throat. I've got so much to say. We do agony uncle where we solve your problems. We do culture club where we hear about what you guys are cooking what you're reading what you're watching. You're listening to my favorite. Are and i am so excited about this. Gonna be calling relationship expert. Nedra tab about all things love love at first sight and relationships and boundaries because the topic of the week is love at first sight. I am obsessed with nedra. Use that word lightly. I follow her on instagram. I save pretty much every single one of her post a lot about therapy on this podcast and therapy can be expensive. Nature's instagram account. Anyone who wants to take steps towards investigating whether therapy might work for. You is a free resource for brilliant brilliant advice on relationships and it's very very good. I find it really useful for lgbtq plus stuff because think she's brilliant but first of all what did you think of last week's into m jay rodriguez it. You can always listen again by downloading from your favorite podcasts provider. And told you. I'm out of quarantine. I'm out of quarantine Apartment gotten apartment and the thing about being in australia is. I'm a nervous. Nellie right but there's a law of snakes as little bugs. I've been in the outback. this week. amazing like that. Big red dust. Beautiful country towns driving for hours and hours and hours no signal. It's like another planet is so beautiful. It's bowling hot. All i'm going. Say is my plans for my transitional wardrobe outback. I was thinking desert sheik omar on listeners. So there was me thinking. I'd have a car key moment with a gorgeous hat. No you need to wear full length jeans. Even that's like forty something degrees after a long sleeve. Shirts didn't have any of those. My whole desert sheik look has gone down. The drain could be completely reappraised. I'm thinking maybe like barbra streisand kaftan. Nineteen seventies laurel canyon wafting around. What do you think about that. Because that'll cover my skin loads but us be cool. Oh my god is a kaftan isn't net. I've never directed a tv show. And i wonder if that would be good. But the reason i started this muttering ramble is because there's a lot of insects of wildlife laura snakes in the outback of talking to one of the people i've with i said are there snakes nearest and they're like they're definitely a lot. Nearest have to stamp everywhere. You go so that they go away. I feel like i'm being really english. The ozzy's obviously for us to all the stuff. I walked into a room but it was his unoccupied house that we got into. Because we're looking at it for maybe using filming was in and i turned around my soul the draft exposure on the floor. I thought it was a massive snake. I lost my mind. It was really embarrassing. The thought i was silly which they be right. But anyway what i'm saying all of this is because i call that thing. I can hear a big lazy insect buzzing around this room sometime to look for it because currently it's me and whatever it is wherever it is hosting this podcast together. You've all been writing in with beautiful beautiful messages. Are episode with russell t davies. Just hit a nerve with you all to listen. Please go back and listen. It's in the feed. Russell is a beautiful man. He's a one man who's made the most incredible show that has just connected with all of you. It's in it's cooled is about a group of young people living through the aids crisis. And i mean it stayed with me in the way that those seminal films do proud of using seminal but it was russell's honesty about his own experiences in the interview. I is what really connected with people ruth wrote in. Thank you so much for your incredibly sensitive and open interview with russell t davies this week after watching. It's a sin. I didn't think it was possible to cry anymore. But you interview made me stop in the street and sob- thank you. Thank you for sharing your own experiences and thank you so much davies for creating this roost. My pleasure and thanks much. Taking the time to write in misty on inscribed just listened to the first episode russell t davies story about walking passes on it resonated deeply. A close friend of mine was one of the last generation of young boys beginning to explore their sexuality who did walk through that song door at that age in sydney and died before finishing any making myself a cup of tea and spending some quiet time remembering him and others as always. Thank you for the podcast misty. Thank you so much to get really really sad to hit about your friend. And i have to say i really appreciate you sharing it and i'm really pleased that we were able to help in some way. I'm gonna go very lovely poetic email from taming in canada for him. The interview stood some very personal memories. Good morning chris. Well it's morning here in nova scotia wherever woken far too early to get out of bed in the dark. Chill if this winter day so on your podcast to keep me company until sun rise pulls me out from under my debate. It was a good choice. Your conversation with russell. T davies was the required tonic for my pandemic flavored january. Doldrums in so many ways. Thank you for that tim. It's a pleasure and what you are a poet. What beautifully poetic way. You have writing as a six year old gay man. This current pandemic state has invoked some long very from the early days the hiv aids epidemic. I've been searching other thoughts on the correlations between the two pandemics to help sort out my nations amongst several themes spoke of the home. The notion of the lost generation of gay men is one i happen. Pondering i concur with russell's take on this russell was saying that there isn't a lost generation his opinion because a lot of people did survive. It was more nuanced than that. Have a listen to the upset. So you get the full picture. I don't wanna put words in muddled map about email indeed. It wasn't a single generation and we all didn't die. But i did lose something during that time when instead of coming into my own is i entered my twenty s. Something talked about. I threw myself deeper into the closet. I was about to step out of interesting. In parallel with covert how teenagers and young people in their twenties and not getting to live there times because with covert a lot of people not allowed to go out and it was a means of survival chose. we're living in a small town nova scotia. Apparently it works not unlike russell story of passing the door. A new missing out on the sex party you see. I said you're a perk because you said sex party. I think it's a gang. Bang ever the poet me. I avoided circumstances. That would've otherwise probably lead my naive dick into possible ruin. There's me calling your potent dick thirsty. I mean interesting interesting point. I've long since stepped out into a more fully actualize life. But i did feel that sting of fitting late to the game and circumstance of my environment did slow progress and certainly the spectra of hiv loom. Davor it'll so when this coronavirus started showing up in the news cycle paid close attention seen. I was thinking deadly virus spread by intimate contact. No worries been there done that. But i was taken aback by the unexpected servicing of trauma. I didn't realize we're still lingering i. I went into the new version of the closet. Known as lockdown. It's been interesting times over. would i for main healthy. Tim pleased ahead. he'd been held him so it was traumatic. I totally understand that and it really was traumatic. That first lockton while it's been traumatic thinking about to that particular time and all that it's a very long winded explanation of why. I was very pleased to gene conversation this morning. During which i fought recognized and enjoyed several moments. I am grateful. Stay well tim autumn lovely. You're doing k. And please stand touch right and tell us how you doing. I need more of those poetic messages in my lifetime. Tons of new listeners. So hello new listeners. And you've been writing in. This message is from ed. All the way from new zealand gear. Or chris ed from new zealand but originally from the uk here. I'm an on and off listener of your wonderful cost homo sapiens. I know the puck goes very well. Thank you. I really enjoyed the conversations about what it is to be queen learning about your journey and listening to the attended points of view from the super smart and accomplished guests. They really are not us. I love that you included actively seek out the thought of the wider rainbow community to all of these insights are massive help from my own journey whether that be reversing the shame of growing up in a straight masculine culture. Pushing through my own internal homophobia or just being better human queer. People shame is an all too common narrative one of which i'm enjoying demystifying with other like minded people like yourselves who at i love hearing that quiz shame. Lgbtq shame comes up a lot in this cost. If anyone feels like the need a refresher hit me up and i have found incredibly useful. It's definitely made me happier. Person is all. I'll say so. This is just a small note of gratitude. Say i'm loving a working. Please keep it up. I can relatives have come a long way since my youth in the noughties. It's heartwarming to think about all of the young people who have access to and can benefit from this special podcast. Ed a lovely message jamie on twitter. Hi chris i discovered homo sapiens. Only a month ago. And i love it wells. Could you find patti smith and sue perkins on the same series coming out to my parents in the early nineties was fine but there was always an uneasiness about my grandmother. Finding out i'd even ever heard both her parents and my late grandfather complaining that my parents should stop me doing a performing arts course when i was seventeen as ide. End up a perth. Do you know what that's so funny. You say that jamie. Because i i really wanted to be a fashion designer and the reason i didn't go fashions i knew reason i went into film directing. I thought it was like artie. Might make me bit more birch where it might make. It might make me a bit more straight. Isn't that crazy and here. i am in australia. Directing could be sketching dresses. Back to jamie well. Thanks to tv. Programmes like coronation street. And its various gay characters over the is. My grandmother did become a lovely accepting lady in her nineties. Once she'd met my husband she would give me money at christmas that i always tried to give her back and would make me promise. I give half of it to him all day. She often got his name wrong blazer. That's hysterical. My dad was used cool. My current husband. My ex boyfriend's name always guest jamie. She just goes to show that people can change no matter the age group. Keep up the great work on the sale of jamie jamie. Thank you so much. And he hit that people can change. And what lovely. Stewart love writing into thank you. Andrew on instagram has been in touch high chaps. Love your body image show. It's something i've had to deal with all my life being larger barrier type. I often feel uncomfortable. Skin especially nba's even in those bozzi might came to cater for bears. When in fact they mean. Harry muscled guides fascinating. Isn't that true so funny. Also for the person that asked about the mum's new partner not liking them. Oh so this was the agony uncle question. I did with scotty. Some written saying my mom's got new partner. And i don't think they like me. What do i do. Andrew says i was putting mine to the poem desert dorota which has the line do not distress yourself with imaginings asking people outright. How they feel about you can be hard but often the overthinking and catastrophes about situations can be more harmful very good point about catastrophes ing. It's a balance. isn't it. Because i think we all have a propensity to catastrophes is really good sometimes. Come out with ask but also sometimes feeling aren't you you just know someone's not know someone doesn't like you and i think being gb tiki plus is complication further on that. Oh and then andrew signs off with loving the show still well. Thank god thank you will know. Thank you andrew. Lucy in body image episode feedback. Hello chris really interesting episode today totally understand. Why concentrated on the boys. If you think the issue is engaged male culture and that was also your experienced to it would have been really valuable though if you could have said something like guys. Your lesbian friends know how to beat this patriarchy bullshit. If you talk to them guys your trans friends know all about body. Shame and how to do better if only you listen to them. Gay male coach may have a body image problem but lgbtq plus culture has supportive answers for it too good luck with the show piece of corn team. Thanks lucy and thank you for saying that really appreciate it and you know totally he there. It's something we should always be mindful of like opening this up for everybody. Everybody and we the mercy of who replies put out thing on instagram so please Lesbian compadres or trans compatriots. Please be writing and please be writing into those replies when we ask them on social because we want to keep the really broad because it's totally totally right. It's in a gay. Male culture can really sometimes come to the front. And i am very aware we need to be mindful of that. Because we're in this together as one big family. That is just a trench of the beautiful emails. We got this week. We love so much hearing from you. Homo sapiens is a community is a family. We are nothing without your messages with your emails without your voice notes so please email your comments questions. Agony uncles too. Hello savings per customer. Come get in touch on instagram. Mississippians on facebook mississippians podcast view. That's my attempt to jingle but petipa petipa pepper was that from. pop. Gem is proper bumper. Can you tell. I spend a lotta time by myself. These biden overturns trump transgender military ban biden harris. Welcome welcome where have you been. All of our lives is bbc. President joe biden has repealed donald trump's ban on transgender americans joining the military bam woods announced by mr trump during his first year in office is say that the white house has now said that transgender servicemembers will no longer be subject to the possibility of discharge or separation on the basis of gender identity. There were eight thousand. Nine hundred eighty active. Gt transgender troops in two thousand nine hundred. According to the department of defense data president biden believes that gender identity should not be about military service. And that america's strength is found in its diversity. The white house statement added transgender rights. Were addressed early by the biden campaign. Here's the first president pledged support to the community in his victory speech in november following his. Win the president-elect biden directly address the trans community tweeting his administration will see you. Listen to you and fight not only for your safety but also the dignity and justice. You have been denied. There's much to be done to help. Bring the welled up to speed with trans brothers and sisters and those who define as neither but this feels like progress. It warms my cockles to use a very english thing buzzing back. You can't see him but you can just hit them and when it's like sunny which means they're lazy is lazy tired at the news when they've been eating fruit and they got a bit drunk and i'm worried that stinky more easily easier to piss off cars it okay so it's time for topic of the week. We go valentine's day coming up in a couple of weeks. I think that's a really interesting time of year. Lgbtq plus people because it can be great it can feel quite excluding confirmed very caters to sis straight people. But you know we all can. We can all celebrate to in our own way. And i think this is a place where we can talk about it for what it means for our communities. I really i want you to please write and tell me what valentine's day means for you where you do feel catered and seen where you don't but the question for topic of the week is love at first sight does it exist. Yes or no and the results were but a fifty two percent of you said yes. You do believe enough at first sight. Forty eight percent of you said nine no way jose. A real variety of responses. Jj berlin said lust at first sight. A lot of people saying that in a who was voice nate last week. She said she believes in lust. At first sight and infatuation love comes later. Emily robinson says i do believe in love at first sight. I think you can have a spark of undeniable chemistry with someone and that's a form of because it's pure and natural basic instinct defying logic and succumbing to the butterflies. How beautifully put craven says absolutely even in the dark room of a sex club you can have lover. I well armistead maupin said that actually. Didn't he said you can tell an a- boston by that touch in a darkroom never been to dock. We might actually that is not to. I happen to dot com. I went with my friend and we held hands on the way through because we are scared and then there was definitely stuff going on. I mean what was. I expecting a darkroom. But yeah no. I'm old romantic. Just want to chat. Didn't that's what people want to do in them. As it tingle back says yes. It happened to me. Sarky says hockey seven connection at first sight. The rest is hard work and commitment. I agree demirbas. Says yep. I've been happily married for twenty one years go for it. Well i'm going to take this question to netra. 'cause i personally have. I love my husband. The moment i saw. I looked at him so he was standing outside a nightclub at nighttime time round and i saw him my brain said in my head when it's it's him and i fell in love with him. In my humble opinion. I fell in love with him in that moment and i have been in love with him ever since and it's been nine years i think it's been on. Youth draws lines crosses rhythm on the wall in the bedroom. And that's how he council years. Dinner should be worried by the f. Carom says no that. That is just homemade's assumptions made on a parents presentation few homa into let me tell. You if analyzes yes. I fell in love with my husband when we were first met together for twelve years. Now lovely i've one fork says no the boys i fell for mostly turned out to be wessex. Listen 511 you've gotta kiss a lot of rogue seventy. Let's go into more detail with some lovely voice notes. let's f. i think. I do believe in love at first sight. It only happened to me once think he was for sight. I cannot describe as anything else. What happened was i was invited to this coffee for an event and a soon as they stepped into the coffee. Something quite amazing happen. I saw this person and it was like oh the focus to suddenly one to them like a stage light being cast upon them all of a sudden and was like justice to of existed at that moment so they turned around and looked at me and smiled and i smiled back and it was like they were shining. We stuttered say one started talking. And i felt so comfortable natural like we already met. We knew each other conversation was flowing so naturally and it was so interesting as well after that we decided to go watch. The lunar eclipse was supposed to be around moon. Moonen rosa was quite nice. We walked around the city trying to find a good spot and we ended up meeting a lot of their friends. Along the way as well we stayed until everyone had left and lay down on the grass looking at the stars and hugging tightly. And i remember such a warm feeling so cozy. I felt like i was a home but yeah we ended up dating for two years after all. That's so lovely and screaming about that spotlight and stuff like it happens. Makes me think that love affair site lost i. It doesn't matter. It's a feeling instant familiarity when that happens if someone is absolutely magic thin. Hi chris i don't believe in site i believe in lust site and lost. Is you know when you're on the street you're ball and you see that person in your heart pounding and nervous and they beautiful in your is the charm whatever but realistically that love is quite fleeting and when you get into a relationship with that person. It doesn't necessarily last very long. Yeah so i think it's lust at first. I love because you don't necessarily love that person thanksgiving. It's funny thing about falling in love with someone on the train. Isn't it because we've all been there like you look across person and you see them and they go just attractive and i think that moment is about is possibility. You look over and you go. This could be ever thing because it's really lovely an extremely convenient to project onto that person all the things you want to happen in your life and make them a version of themselves that you actually don't know and i think what develops from that. If let's say you get together with that person on the train. I never did. Someone did hit on me on the plane. Once there. i am going to sidebar toy story. So there i am on a plane. It was four rows across in the middle. Was i being fling club note. I was reading a script. My lovely friend had written with really good. So i was on one end. The four seats he was on the other. This guy kept looking over and then he went to me across to people who in the he cooled across. Are you a teacher. 'cause writing on the script says writing my thoughts for my friend jamal. My thoughts and as i was very handsome by the way he said. Oh you teach her because you're making something and like the people in between us. He knew that with the lean squish the head back into the seat so you can have your conversation like this is profoundly awkward as i earn. No i'm not teacher. I'm just reading. Something is okay. So what are you reading. Oh my god here we he. Then i go off the plane. I was walking to the taxi with my cabdriver and then the guy appeared in the copper walking towards me holding a piece of paper like up and he just walked straight at me on my god. My heart was beating so far. 'cause i did find him really attractive but still in that weird point where i was like i didn't i would definitely him on the taxi driver to know. You know what. I mean so much shame so bonkers and he said this is for you and he had to be a card and it said hello. I just wanted to say. I think seem great. And if you'd ever like to go for a drink my name is dr dot and you know it's not crazy. I never went for a drink with him. I did text him. Say thank you said. Thanks so much for your message anyway. Back to lust at first sight. Well maybe that's what he had. It was love wasn't it was looking pretty good. Mid twenties probably ten. But you have those moments where you fall in lust at first sight and they can develop. But you're projecting on someone all the things that you want them to be. And i think they do develop into you know it kind of has to have slightly lost the threat of autumn saying i must apologise looking for shows that. Blow your mind and characters. You'll never forget well. Amc plus has the best entertainment from amc bbc america. Ifc sundance an shudder. Love a good binge-watch checkout one of amc's most watch series the gripping western hell on wheels nita new obsession. Don't miss what. Entertainment weekly is calling one of the year's best series gangs of london plus watch the hotly anticipated brand new season of a discovery of witches and catch up on season one right now all available ad free and on demand sign of amc plus dot com amc. Plus only the good stuff. It's another little voice. Nate from john stringer stringer paula. Jonathan getting the senate. There's a dot in from just trying to make sure i get it right okay. His message from john from my experience with queer folk. you're either good mates nikon. You have sex immediately ins loads of passion and relationships stuff or your mortal enemies phonetics formation. Just my opinion but an answer to the question. Love affair cy. I think as far more complicated than that very funny. We are more complicated in that. We are deeply com. Black people we all. Everybody is gay straight fisher foul. Did you hear that. This is like a sort of very low level version of that film. Arachnophobia sort of being haunted. There is come to be okay. Hang on just by the window saturday. Hi fi forty hand to hand combat indiana jones. Back to what you were saying about about love at first sight we could message from goodly here. Sorry for pronounce them. I think everyone. I think that whether love at first exists depends on your perception of love. So for example in hungarian we have two words for love or means a static. Emotion that you feel someone and the other one is more like this crowd relationship with the person Now in the first context. Yes i think it is possible to have an instant connection with someone which could be referred to as love at first sight but those who argue against love at first sight i think they need to consider different perceptions. I think so for example i personally feel that i had love for for the first site with my boyfriend but that is not the same love that i feel for him. These days Yeah it's such an interesting. It's interesting point. How love develops and grows. We sort of like the fact that love does change. And there's nothing wrong with that. And i think the inflow between them is an important thing and it's just a nasty makes me think of the idea that just because when you're going out with someone like if it changes that doesn't mean it's failing because first moment is never gonna last forever and that's okay. You're eventually going to get to the place where you're talking about. Who took out the been laden. Thank you so much. Well this beautiful notes. I think it's time to fold in. The genius is netra tabs. She's a therapist relationship boundaries expert and her writing. Instagram is just full of useful tips on how to improve your relationship with others romantic fool. Not so i'm going to call her and we're gonna get straight into it. How are you. i'm good how are you. i'm well. I'm excited to be here today. So is there such thing as love at first sight. Yes you found it so it has to be right. Has to be true because it happened to you. Yeah i i definitely think there is connection at first sight love. Maybe but i definitely prepares an instantaneous connection. We feel that with romantic interest. We feel that with friends. We just feel that sometimes. Yes that absolutely is possible. love I believe we can have loved quickly at first sight I think it's that connection that we're feeling so some people have spoken about the idea of projection. So this idea of love at first sight is actually problematic. Because it's about you projecting your idea of what you want onto this person. It's always going to be unfulfilled. Because dot isn't real. I think off things are possible and i think that perhaps because all things are possible you could meet someone who maybe you are projecting but they can fulfill those things We'd like to think of the worst case scenario where typically people won't be able to fulfil it but in some cases. They may be able to to you. Do not so beautiful work with kind of relationships and how to improve them and perhaps tools. And i wanted to ask you a bit about that. If there's anything specific that you encounter that you think is good advice for. Lgbtq plus relationships in specifics. Interesting article At the beginning of quarantine and it was about how how people in lgbt q. Plus relationships are managing the pandemic better than people in heterosexual relationships because they have more thoroughly discussed gender roles and so that piece of things made it way more easy for them to deal with my kids at home and rose in the household in those sorts of things and the article was really about what we can learn lgbt couples. Because it's such a big piece of relationships figuring out what your relationship will look like and not necessarily saying this is you know. This is masculine These are the roles. So i think that having those conversations which lgbt couples already do in lots of instances sometimes that doesn't happen in air some arguments about it. And when i see them in therapy we certainly talk about this Belief that someone is more masculine than the other person or someone is more feminine in the shoot. It was certainly. The conversation is talked about more openly and that is a very healthy thing to talk about the distribution of tasks because many couples. That's a big argument. Who's going to do the dishes. Who's gonna follow the clothes who will make the doctor's appointment. Who's buying gifts for christmas. All of these sorts of things although small become really big things because you are living in a space with a person that you're sharing all of these pieces with especially now that we're in a pandemic. It is so important that we're talking about these household on roles and duties and not basing it on gender and femininity and masculinity if it does not work for relationships. I suppose one of the things that you have spoken about a lot is the communication. Is this massive thing in relationships that people don't do and i know personally like in my relationships like so often i've been able to went up in doing well. It it obviously will fail all the time. But i've been like how much of what's going on in my head. I communicated how much of i not said. this is what i want. Oh this is what i would like to happen. Yeah it's really hard to Communicate our needs especially when we assume that people should just know things so because people don't have the same level of our say common thing game in sense but common thanking as it creates a lot of issues in relationships and we have to advocate for ourselves. Always so if there is something that you want. It is very dangerous to assume that this other person understands that you have that knee people and not in a very selfish way but people typically just aren't thinking about us they aren't and what's the way to bring the up in a relationship. That is kind of the least confrontational. One is a so that bringing something up causes conflict because when we assume that we go into it with this energy that might cause conflict. Sometimes we can just bring up stuff just like you know at this to the grocery lists and that same sort of energetic towel all very guilty of being overly defense if someone asks or something there. Is this idea that when something is set to us. We have to defend ourselves. I got a funny question yesterday. They see it. Do i defend myself without being defensive. And i immediately thought will defend is in there so i think that is being defensive. I suppose it's just the power of apology and relationships without thinking that makes you having lost a point. Because i think not so common. Isn't it as humans. We don't always get it right. It doesn't mean that where you know bad people. In one day. I go from vienna. The best mom ever to mom. I can't believe you did that so you know. We have multiple feelings about people throughout the day. All it doesn't mean that we don't love and other any other elements of relationships that you think areas that come up a law that you like to share about all analytic when not trying to change people. There are some things that we could change or shift just a smidgen by mentioning to them. Hey can you do this instead of that. But when we have these these character flaws we don't lie about people. These big personality deficits those are things that we cannot change if you have a partner. That is chronically late. i just don't know how you can make this person be prompt. What you can do is change the way that you interact with their lateness. So maybe you can drive separately. Maybe you can remind them earlier. Maybe you can you know like what can you do on your in. But you can't make them like hurry and get to be this timely person. They could do it for them sales if they wake up one day and say hey i want to change my character and i want to start being on time everything but you can't make them do it but what we do is we try to tell people over and over. You're always late you're always late. You're always late. you're always late and it really frustrates us. Instead of just accepting this person is always late and if anything anything about it because some people are again. They're not bad people is just. We're all different. It's fascinating is mixed. It's like you got to love people for who they are and they're not perfect but also share you on the other hand saying know share when you feel a certain way about the spurs it's about measuring which one is appropriate which time me and my sister like. We don't really travel to places together. 'cause she's always really late so i just go. Hey i'm just gonna go my and that's not a failure. It's actually how does this work best for us. You're embracing who she is. Yeah i mean it took us thirty years to sometimes. It takes a while. But you're embracing who she is. But i think lots of times. We will try to fight with that person to be like us and that creates a lot of tension in relationships. Were we're trying to encourage someone to be like us as if we're right. If if people are on a different schedule program they have a different personality. How do we embrace who they are without losing. Our minds tried to change them very quickly. I just wanted to talk about your book but it wasn't us it's sort of something. We slightly skirting around in relationships. That people don't talk about stuff and they talk about problems until they've got bigger. Why do you think that is other some tools to try and help. One tool is talking about problems when they're small and not allowing them to car and build. I encourage being petty. You know some people are like. Don't be petty. don't bring up everything. Please bring up everything if there's one time where the dishwasher is not loaded say something so you're not saying something. It's the twentieth time and by the twentieth time you feel like the hawk and you're like whoa like wow where is this energy coming from is because it's the twentieth time but i wonder how it would have felt the first time you know if we just mentioned things where the when when we have an issue with them when they're very small it makes things a lot better and just not allowing those things to kind of up veal and now we got a whole. You know spreadsheet of offenses dates and all of this talk about it when things are really small. How do you know us that issue because it bothers you is something you think about or you. Your life I wanted that. Those are things that you need to talk about in your relationship if you let something go on for far too long and you know maybe you're listening to this and you're like oh my gosh. I need to say something. It's okay to do that too. Don't make a whole meeting out of it. Just say it. Just spit out. You do have the right word. Sometimes people are like. I don't know what to say. And then they say the exact thing they're supposed to say so they don't. They'll say something. I i don't know what to say. My boyfriend is really getting on my nerves because he's always bringing up my ex. That's what you say right there. Say that hey. A lot of the fear is perception. What will they think. How will things turn out once. I say this thing is gonna ruin us and really what ruins relationships is not talking about stuff. You'll be surprised. How many couples on talk about sex before they start having and people will say. Oh my gosh. The sexist horrible. Did you all talk about like your references up. And this is a you know so pertinent. Lgbtq plus people. Because you've got so many full women talk about the fact that there is a top and bottom row in in with women gay women as much as their with gay men and there's a lot of shame around it people went took about it. It's really a constant issue is really hard to have a front end of a relationship actually so format. Lgbt clients one of the things we talk about is when to bring up sexuality in a relationship in it not be. Hey i want to have sex. But just what are your sexual preferences and posing it as. I am asking for compatibility reasons not for hails hookup today. But this is a compatibility question just like. Where do you live because maybe if you live in australia we can't date so these are court and things to know if you are atop or about like these are important things no in a dating situation not because we need to have sex today because we need to see if we're compatible So true now you're reminding me slightly the word boundaries and so it's gonna make me segue to your book so boundaries is quite sort of therapy word that can mystify people but and to stage left nedra who has gone and created a book that will demystify. And i'm going to say change your life tell us a bit about it. So this book is the book that ag wish i had to describe what boundaries are because it is this huge concept and often. We don't even know where to begin. And so this book walks you through so many stages of boundaries so one what is a boundary. Why do we struggle with them. And my favorite part about the book. Is i give language on what to say in several areas so liberal vantic relationships with family friends. Work all of these things like. What do you say what you do. Because even if i say a boundary is a way to communicate what you need in a healthy way riot people are so what is that in some hope. It really helps to have a plethora of examples in so many areas of your life. You'll know like okay. This is a boundary thing it so specifically relevant the tiki plus community because lgbtq. Plus people are often baked into people pleases. Because they feel on the back foot already there's lots of other subjects chins of society who also have the same thing but it just learning about that. It's really interesting. Once you pointed out the idea how often people crossed them. It's fascinating to everybody. You have to get an actress book and thank you for writing it because it really is. It's a life changing concept. Once you understand it particularly lgbtq plus people netra. Can i ask you because you are very well placed given you written a book to answer this. Agony uncle question we get our listeners. Reiten with the agony uncle questions. Which i think. I'm not quite sure what they call that in the us someone writes in with a problem. Maybe we call it riding in with a problem. Now you did say just say it. Didn't you know this is a very short question and it just says. How do i start a book that is within me was really interesting. Always with doing something for ourselves is like we have to find the capacity to do it but if our job was to write a book for someone else would be able to do it fell. So i i like to think of creating this as a job for yourself and just like you would for any other job really giving yourself a time line goals and placing time constraints on when you do it and not just saying. I need to write a book. There's a book in me. Okay actually sit down as if this is your job. Yeah i i think one thing i do when i like my personal projects alongside my. This is one of them when i do personal projects which just involve me like writing. Why do is two. Things should think a useful for this person. One is put in. Your calendar is an actual event of four hours of writing in the afternoon because often you don't put these personal projects in your calendar. The mean you sort of think something. Some gap is going to appear somewhere where you'll do it so put it in time and also do another thing which is sit down and budget. How much time you need to take and how much work you need to do. Elsewhere in order to cover the cost of doing that. You know so if it's going to take you day a week. Can you get some extra hours in your job or whatever to try and cover that time you know deal with it as a true and real project like you're saying i think that enabled you to make real because often these personal projects. You do them in your spare time but everybody worked so hard. You're tired when it's your spare time. You can try and find a financial way that you can incorporate into your data into work life as well can be really helpful. I agree you have to schedule it. Like it's a real thing and not just have it as a dream a life go but this is something that you can do today and it just takes you putting the time towards it yet. James clear is a writer. He has written something about just if you look at his book. tomac habits told me. I love that book. Gray internet book and my book better by nitrous. I everybody there came. He's been number one already. Let's get to the top. Thank you so much for taking the time you're welcome. It was such a pleasure. I felt like i wanted to. I writes down what she's thinks. I do i do i do. She's just my favorite follow her everybody. She's at nedra tower. Apetit w. w. a. b. on its grant and out burgers hours coming out in a few set boundaries. Find peace guide to reclaiming yourself if the title is expected to be out of a sixty march twenty twenty one that leaves me with just enough time to talk about culture club. What have you been watching. What have you been listening to you so film and tv. There's been so many shoutouts this week for seoul. Berlin new pixar films. Let's have a look at that exchange. Newts and the great pottery throwdown. You've all been watching it. Sin as well. It would be remiss not to point out. Sam pleased to see that grundy's been watching lupin ephron china has been watching pose and terror and residents. Say that georgia's been watching tiny things on netflix tanna. Ten and lgbtq plus representation has low e. h. Five one one three has been watching the prom. That's very exciting. Show actually echo up has been watching star trek discovery great scifi drama and it's full of lgbtq plus characters. We're talking to mj about. That whitney and mj rodriguez last week about sort of sci-fi lgbtq plus allegories interesting. That's not good characters now. So do you know. I've been watching. I've been watching married at first sight. Australia i say funny how they put this dramatic music under every single minute. But i am herk te. Go and watch it. You will not be disappointed. Andrew prior fabulously has been watching the undoing watching night stalker but not a van and shamefully been watching real housewives. No shame here on amazon's andrea you watch real housewives to your to your. What's its content. how do you see what is that saying. Why have i forgotten listening to. You've been listening to abba. Sos oud an sister. Sledge lost music m. Stevens has been listening to sign the family stone. Having a retro moment here cindy has been listening to years and years. All if amuses in it's a sin so that they are crossing armor. God jack lopez has been listening to max rick to voices. I write to them music. It is beautiful. Max richter so soothing. Donnie love has been listening to the men that will not be blamed for nothing steam punk music. So that's my air conditioning. Remote control never far from me. Let me tell you. Armadillo cooking bending lots of salads. The food here in australia is so good. They amazing vegan food here. Joe joe has been making cauliflower cheese with cabbage. I love the idea. I want to try this. Please send judge beth's making marmalade as a great idea if anyone's lockdown some time on their hands fable when sam ba- making special brownies sam. I think i know what you're getting it. Jim jong il has been making fish tacos yum every senior has been making vegan cheesy broccoli. Hash brown bake my god yum recipe brother minimalist baker. Police are not in and cindy has been making bread. Easing spent grain of my home brew. Oh my god say beer and bread. I mean that's dinner. My book talk about it and she took next week. We've got adam. K on the podcast. Adam kay wrote an incredible book called this going to hurt. Which was the secret does of a junior doctor in the nhl in the uk. The humor but truthful truthfulness of his book went like wildfire across the uk because the world sorry he outsold michelle obama with his book. It was the most truthful. Poignant thing i've read for many years. He's coming to chat about all sorts of stuff about him and his life done. Unbelievable stuff with activism has really affected proper change within mental health support for nhs workers who right now. it couldn't be a more personal time to talked at him to talk about the hardship of being on the front line which are beautiful. Nhs work ding day in day out. we also took a lot about being lgbtq plus in medicine how medicine can cater to lgbtq plus people on the specificities of what that means plus hilarious stories from adam hilarious story by his grandmother. Oh my god. I can't wait for you to head of the chain for that next week. 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Thomas Ince Pt. 2

Unexplained Mysteries

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Thomas Ince Pt. 2

"If you enjoy these episodes about the mysterious nineteen twenty. Four death of pioneering film producer. Thomas INS- you want to visit podcast. Presents for our centennial retrospective. On the roaring twenties. There you'll find episodes on escape artist. Harry Houdini the unsolved murder of William Desmond Taylor and so much more. Follow Park asked presents free on on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. This episode features depictions of murder and sexual sexual assault that some listeners may find offensive listener discretion is advised especially for children under thirteen in November nineteen twenty. Four Media Mogul William Randolph. Hearst sat in his East Coast Mansion Reading The New York Doc. Daily News Gossip Column Ludd boiling. He normally wouldn't read a rival newspaper but today's story involved his mistress US actress Marion Davies. She was in Hollywood working on her latest film and according to the column she was more than enjoying her time away the tabloid read Charlie Chaplin Continues To pay ardent attention to Marian Davies. He spent the evening dining and dancing with the fair Marian. He never took his eyes off the blonde beauty. Hearst slammed the paper down chaplain had a reputation reputation. The thirty five year old actor had recently impregnated his sixteen year. Old Girlfriend Lita Grey. Now he seemed to be advancing seeing on hearst's lover and it wouldn't have been Davies first indiscretion. Hearst hired a private detective to spy on her while she was away in Los Angeles according to the chaplain wasn't the only man. Marion Davies was seen the power hungry Hurst saw Davies like she. She was one of his newspapers like he owned her. He wouldn't stand. You're with someone else. He picked up a pen and some stationary and began writing getting a note to Marian it read. You're running around with all your old beaus and a lot of new ones. I know all about you when he finished. He told an assistant to book him the earliest train out of New York. He was going to Hollywood to take care of the situation once and in for all. But was it Charlie Chaplin. He found in the arms of his mistress or movie producer. Thomas INS and did the affair and in murder. The welcome to unexplained mysteries apar- cast original. I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't no for an answer every Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. You you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other podcast originals. For Freon spotify over of you. Listen to podcasts. To stream unexplained mysteries as for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let's know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at park gas network and if you enjoyed joy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help. This is our second episode on the Mysterious Mysterious Death of pioneering movie producer Thomas Ins- he died suddenly in November nineteen twenty four after spending the weekend on a a yacht owned by newspaper. Magnate William Randolph. Hearst last week we explored inches and hearst's backgrounds and a suspicious and varying accounts of the last days of inches life. This week will look at the aftermath of incest death and examine the various theories about what actually the happened that fateful yacht weekend and will try to determine what ended the life of one of the most prolific Hollywood producers of his day day in the fall of nineteen twenty four film producer. Thomas H INS was is in the midst of a business deal with sixty one year. Old Media Mogul William Randolph. Hearst hearst's movie company cosmopolitan productions was hoping into US insist studio in Culver City to shoot their films and inscribed use the money as part of their discussions. I invited into a weekend party on his yacht. The ONEIDA IT happened to be incensed. Forty four th birthday so I thought it would be perfect occasion occasion to celebrate. He had no idea however that it would be the last birthday in would ever have after more than a a full day of partying. INS- was forced to leave the Oneida early Monday morning. Supposedly he was suffering from indigestion caused by champagne and salted almonds. He had a history of peptic ulcers so both were prohibited by his doctors. You made a brief recovery then on Wednesday morning in November Nineteen nineteen twenty four. He had a heart attack and died or so. The official story goes with so many famous and powerful figures on hearst yacht inside. His death became a breeding ground for sensationalism and conspiracy theories the. The story had the kind of intrigue that might have landed on the front page of one of hearst papers had he not been involved. One popular dealer account is the Thomas Ins was caught getting a little too cozy with hearst's mistress Marion Davies in a fit of rage. Hurst shot pins who later died from the gunshot wounds. A variation of the first theory suggests that insight was possibly mistaken for Charlie Chaplin and who was actually the one making a pass at Davies. Our second theory suggests that a drunken scuffles broke out below decks. Someone pulled out the gun and it went off. The bullet passed through the ceiling and struck in his cabinet. Above finally will examine whether INS was was really the upstanding family man. He portrayed himself as prior to ever boarding the Oneida he may have sexually assaulted Davies Secretary. Mary Abigail Kim solving and impregnated her according to the third theory. When Qin solving saw INS again she shot him one version of the story reports that she was assaulted and killed him off during the course of the party before we dive into our specific theories we should address one element? They all have in common each hinges on a cover up by William Randolph hearst. The reasons why he buried the truth change with each theory but we should first examine if it was possible at the time. Convinces death one in every four Americans got their news from a hearst owned media outlet. He was one of the wealthiest men in America. Today he would be worth more than thirty billion dollars. Not only was he rich. He controlled a pretty sizeable portion of the United States economy. And the hearst family empire has only grown since outlets under the hearst umbrella today include L. MARIE-CLAIRE ESPN good housekeeping. Harper's bazaar cosmopolitan esquire and more which which is all to say. He was rich enough to pay for people. Silence rich enough to potentially keep. Thomas Instance wife quiet rich rich enough to remove the Los Angeles Times Wednesday morning headline that allegedly read movie producers shot on hearst yacht not to mention he certainly had enough money to pay for a hit on anyone he thought might speak and he was powerful enough to get away with it but money aside side. He wouldn't have needed to spend anything to get the story he wanted out to the world. You don't have to pay for the news when you are the news. The only thing he had to do was keep his story straight. But I couldn't even do that. The initial reports from hearst's own newspapers claimed that ends wasn't on the Oneida at all he'd been vacationing at her estate. In San Simeon again with his wife and kids after becoming sick. INS- fell unconscious. Two doctors and three nurses were summoned to treat him then and five medical personnel. Put him into an ambulance and took him home. That bit of fiction didn't go over. Well there were too many witnesses. Who'd seen instant San Diego and aboard the Oneida? So what did her supposedly do. He ceased coverage almost entirely. He tried to remove this story. Are you from the site geist in any circumstance. A successful producer like Thomas ends having a heart attack and dying should have been newsworthy. No story at all must mean there was something that I didn't want known no story at all is certainly worthy of a conspiracy theory. Sorry in the hours. After ince's death evidence of a cover up mounted a private funeral was arranged on Friday November twenty first in attendance were Hollywood celebrities. Douglas Fairbanks Mary Pickford Charlie Chaplin and of course Marian Davies at least three of whom had had allegedly been aboard the yacht conspicuously missing however was William Randolph hearst himself and he made no effort to explain his his absence. After the funeral there was no burial. Instead inside his wife Nell had his remains cremated that afternoon various various rumors abounded that there was never an official cause of death that after his death knell took the children and moved immediately to Europe. He even that hearst funded. The trip was a trust fund to remove them from the media frenzy or to keep them quiet however right now actually left for Europe a full seven months later and was left a very wealthy woman and the INS family were at the office and according to their close friend Adalah Nora Rogers Saint. John's had long had a plan in place to cremate. Still something in was suspicious about the whole ordeal hurst appeared to want to leave town quickly to a week. After the funeral he sent a telegram to Marian Davies saying saying I better go east as soon as possible situation here unsatisfactory. Whatever the unsatisfactory? The situation was first seemingly escaped it but in California people were still asking questions as the weeks passed. Just the pressure began to mount more and more voices called for an official investigation but no one who had been on board. The ONEIDA seemed to want wanted doll and their silence was oddly. Suspicious about a month. After Incest Death Sandiego district attorney gesture. Camp Lee started his own investigation. He claimed that if a crime had been committed it happened while the yacht was in his jurisdiction but although up to twenty guests were on the Neider for reasons. Unknown Kempley only interviewed one passenger Daniel Goodman aw goodman was one of her smoothly production managers the same person who accompanied ends to del Mar after leaving the Oneida though he was licensed to he didn't practice medicine instead. He worked full time for hearst in his testimony Goodman in claimed that was in good spirits on the ship especially since his business meeting with hearst went well he allegedly ate a hearty dinner and then retired tired early for the night but some things about Goodman's version of the story. Don't add up. It was inside his forty fourth birthday and he just just made a lucrative deal with one of the most powerful men in America. It wasn't exactly a night to turn in early not to mention the rumors suggesting testing that. Everyone partied well into the night. Goodman's testimony also stated that after heading off to bed ins was actually a blade played with indigestion and suffering acute chest pain when morning arrived Goodman agreed to make sure ins- was taken care of and brought him safely to del Mar supposedly ins then told him that he had these attacks before but they'd always gone away. Goodman wasn't concerned so so once they were in del Mar he found INSA hotel summoned doctor. Truman a Parker and left the patient in the medics capable hands goodman included. His statement by saying Mr ends gave no evidence of having had any liquor of any kind my knowledge as a physician enabled me diagnose. The case is one of acute indigestion. Goodman's testimony raised many an eyebrow. There were enough rough accounts of the weekend weekend to contradict what he was saying especially the fact that he claimed there was no booze to be fair. It was the prohibition so blatant at Middle Middle to copious drinking would have been strange but if he was lying about that what other parts of his story weren't true. Oh not to mention that a non practicing doctor with no equipment seemed overly confident in his diagnosis but outweighing everything else else was. One question who in the world is from indigestion. The only other person Kemp interviewed was the nurse who accompanied Dr Parker Harker to the hotel. Del Mar Jesse Howard and her testimony contradicted Goodman's. She claimed that INS- admitted to drinking heavily the night before as for whether he'd been murdered she denied seeing any bullet hole on insists body which may have been because ause there wasn't one or or that was the one detail that hearst had earlier made sure was corroborated. The fact cons- wasn't shot would take priority over the fact that they were drinking in international waters but the inconsistencies didn't seem too concerned earn. Da He closed the case stating people interested. In insists. Sudden death have continued to come to me with persistent reports and in order to satisfy them. I conducted an investigation but after questioning the doctor and nurse who attended Mr Inset del Mar.. I am satisfied fight. His death was from Ordinary Causes California journalist. CF adults Berger summed up public response to the findings when he wrote wrote a district attorney. Who passes up the matter because he sees no reason to? Investigate is the best agent. I could employ in this country. Three Hurst appears to have had something to hide and the ability to hide it. But what was he hiding. Coming up. Did William Randolph hearst shoot. Thomas ends in a jealous rage podcast listeners. I'm thrilled to tell you about our newest shocking series. It's called secret societies and you can hear it Thursday starting now secret societies let you discover the unbelievable schemes rituals and parties. 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Back to the story rumours that forty four year old Thomas ends died of a natural means means began immediately after his death in November nineteen twenty four the first and most enduring all theories is that sixty one year old William Randolph. Hearst shot in after finding the producer with his mistress Marion Davies according to sources close to hearst. He owned a revolver encrusted with diamonds. He kept it on his yacht and occasionally took it out to impress crowd or two practices. Aim on Siegel's but the revolver wasn't the only potential murder weapon. There were other guns on board one oneidas stairway led to the Upper Dak and at its foot was a large display case inside an enormous collection of firearms. Which meant hearst? At least I had a weapon with which to shoot INS- if he was suitably motivated and his incentive may have been jealousy hearst was known own to be deeply in love with his much younger mistress. Marion Davies some. Might even say obsessed and he was possessive as a Hollywood Hollywood starlet. She got plenty of attention from suitors. But that never sat well with hearst as the story goes he allegedly found inside inside and Marian embracing at the door to her room. Perhaps it was just an innocent hug. But hearst didn't wait to find out he grabbed a gun from the nearby case and confronted the pair an argument ensued then. Hearst raised the firearm and pulled the trigger in this this version of the story INS- collapsed to the ground bleeding from a head wound. He either died instantly or within minutes. That would gene. That insists travels to del Mar his visits from Dr Parker and nurse Howard and his journey home to Los Angeles. We're all just theater a carefully constructed act to ensure that his death wasn't linked to hearst. That would be one explanation for why INS wasn't taken into the hospital but carrying instead body all that way would be in gruesome and difficult as for whether or not inste- took an interest interest in Davies. She later laughed at the notion that he might have made a pass at her. She stated would have had to have had a death wish to give me a wink. got a yacht which has as much space and privacy as a barrel. I could still recognize it when a man gave me. The I and Tom Ins didn't but even as she denied the events she confirms a critical component of our theory any man interacting with Marian Davies. I would have had a death wish. Meaning hearst was violently protective. But perhaps it wasn't instead hearst was jealous and even more popular iteration of this story was that hearst's intended target was actually Charlie Chaplin. The motivations remain the same jealousy and rage but this version may have a touch more credibility if only because we have more concrete examples of chaplains owns dalliances with women like hearst chaplain preferred younger partners in one thousand nine hundred eighteen at twenty nine years old. He married his sixteen year old girlfriend. Mildred Harris according to California's Penal Code Two six one point five which was enacted in eighteen seventy seventy two chaplain could have been arrested for statutory rape. The couple's celebrity however may have prevented any legal action. This also may have been a shotgun wedding meaning. Mildred was pregnant at the altar. But the exact timeline of events isn't clear either either way. Mildred gave birth to their child ten months later in July nineteen nineteen then only three days after he was born their son passed away in April. Nineteen twenty the couple divorced chaplain later wrote in his autobiography that they were irreconcilably. Blee mismatched in nineteen twenty. Four history repeated itself thirty five year. Old Chaplin impregnated his sixteen year old girlfriend girlfriend Lita Grey. He went onto Mary. Gray divorced her and remarried twice more. Needless to say he had a reputation. Asian one that might scare her stiff the twenty-seven-year-old Davies and thirty five year old Chaplin ever met and that past summer they had add. Davies was starring in the silent drama. Zander the great Hollywood gossip columns reported the Charlie Chaplin visited her. Nearly nearly every day on the set naturally Hurst found out but apparently that didn't stop their blossoming romance according to the Rumor Rumor Mill at the film studio. The guard at the front gate would alert Mary and if I ever showed up unexpectedly that way chaplain could sneak out through the rear door unseen. It wouldn't be too far. Fetched to imagine that hearst invited Chaplin on the Oneida that weekend. Not because he liked him led to catch the pair red-handed as the story goes. Thomas INS awoke in the middle of the night with indigestion. He went down to the Galley to find something to soothe his upset stomach. When he arrived Merion was having a drink? The two stood close casually talking in dim dim light. When hearst entered? He believed he'd found the evidence he was looking for. He mistook INS for chaplain pulled out his diamond instead revolver and fired only afterward did he realize that he just shot his new business partner. Hearst allegedly quickly went into cover up mode. He called upon his loyal production manager. Daniel Goodman to help Marion Aryan Davies wouldn't dare turn him in but he needed more than her silence. He needed everyone on board to cooperate. Using his industry influences influence as leverage he swore them all to secrecy. He paid nurse Jesse Howard for a medical alibi and pay district attorney Chester. After Kempley to close the case as for Nell ends in order to secure her silence. Hearst opened his pocket book look he took care of Nell and her children for the rest of their lives. There was only one other person he needed to worry about. A woman named named Luella Parsons. She was gossip columnist who was supposedly aboard the Oneida. Incest murder could be a career defining story for the reporter however I had the power to make her a star by just picking up a phone and that's exactly what he did following in his death. Hearst brought Parsons to California and proceeded to syndicate her columns in his papers across the country. She became name one of the most famous Hollywood reporters gossip columnists in the United States. Her articles were printed in more than four hundred newspapers. Nationwide she eventually became known as the First Lady of Hollywood in her biography years later. Parsons denied that she was aboard the uniter the weekend. The Thomas Inside. She insisted she was home in New York. But some witness accounts placed her on the yacht. Actress Vera Burnett claims that she specifically saw Luella. Parsons come to the studio where Davies Film Zander. The Great was shooting. Parsons was accompanied by Charlie Chaplin to picked up Davies and headed off to board the Oneida. However Parsons presence Ore lack thereof doesn't settle the matter one way or the other and there are some holes in the theory that hearst mistakenly shot ins biographer. Joyce Milton noted that hearst and chaplain remained friends for years after instant death so it seems rather unlikely only that I would have ever tried to kill chaplain. Even if it's happened to take the bullet for him. Marion Davies also denied every part of this narrative she even claimed that hearst never kept any firearms on the but there are numerous eyewitness accounts of a gun cabinet and of hearst shooting shooting. It's seagulls that maybe it wasn't hearst. That shot ends. Perhaps ins was accidentally hit during a drunken altercation occasion. This theory has several iterations. The most common goes as follows chaplain and several other guests stayed. Data late in the ship's Galley drinking chaplain in particular was trying to drown his sorrows. He didn't WanNA marry leader gray. The sixteen in your old he'd impregnated he allegedly tried to buy her off with the equivalent of roughly three hundred thousand dollars but she and her parents refused. They insisted on a wedding chaplain was distraught. On the one hand. He wanted to stay single. And avoid another sham marriage edge on the other if word got out about their child out of wedlock it could ruin his career and reputation. He would later state aged. He was almost suicidal about the situation. According to Chaplin's biographer Joyce Milton he owned a gun and was known to use it in jest. The silent film star would often pull out his weapon and melodramatically threatened to kill himself. That may be precisely nicely. What happened aboard the Neider while drunk and wallowing in self pity chaplain brought out his firearm and put the barrel to his temple unsure whether he was joking or not? The other guests intervened and in the ensuing struggle it went off someone either accidentally accidentally pulled the trigger or the firearm fell to the ground and discharged in either case. A bullet went through the ceiling and struck inside the head. He collapsed to the ground as blood splattered the walls of his cabin. He was dead on impact. Just a victim of circumstance in the wrong place at the wrong time but her still covered up the incident because he didn't want the scandal of a fatality on his luxury. The yacht but it feels like a lot of effort to hide a perfectly explainable accident given the sheer scope of the cover-up conspiracy. Many I believe that something. Nefarious led to Thomas's death. And maybe he brought it on himself. The shooting wasn't murder her but justifiable payback coming up. We'll explore whether Thomas INS- was the real villain of this story now back to the story officially in November Nineteen nineteen twenty four forty four year old movie producer. Thomas INS died of a heart attack after attending party on sixty one year. Old William Randolph. Hearst got the Oneida we've already looked at two alternate theories that suggest that something much more diabolical occurred our a final hypothesis is all about revenge. Marion Davies Secretary Abigail. Kim Solving was on board and she was pregnant. With Thomas Instance Child a child conceived by rape. There are some variations on when the crime happened but at some point Abigail Kim solving apparently told police that INS- had sexually assaulted her and that she had bruises to prove it though. She denied nine being involved in incest. Death it naturally led to some questions. If INS was shot did kin solving pull the trigger. Could it have been an act of retribution. There is evidence to suggest that Thomas Ins wasn't exactly the family man that he counted himself to be some claim that he even boarded the Oneida with his alleged mistress actress. Margaret Livingston Livingston had starred in several Vinci's films just how close they were however has never been confirmed and most likely their relationship was only a fiction created waited for Peter Bogdanovich fictionalized movie version of the crime. The cat's miaow. What has been confirmed? Is that Abigail. Kin Solving gave birth to a child just months after the weekend on the united some claimed it was inches but the timeline was too short for her to have gotten pregnant pregnant on board the ship so the conception must have happened earlier others claim that the father was someone else entirely and that kin solving blame Elaine. The pregnancy on ends. Because she was ashamed of having a child out of wedlock an assault would take the blame off of her and dense already. Dead was an easy scapegoat. Another iteration of the Qin solving theory suggests that she had a consensual relationship with INS- she was his mistress and when she found him on the Yod with his other alleged mistress Margaret Livingston. She fired if police knew about the rumors surrounding Kim solving. They didn't seem to take them. Seriously there's no evidence to suggest that anyone ever investigated the assault allegations but there is a shroud of mystery surrounding the events. After Kim solvings child was born not long after giving birth Earth Kim solving died in a mysterious single car accident and the accident happened on hearst's estate in San Simeon and two of his bodyguards allegedly found her and there was a suicide note in the vehicle. As far as we can tell no one knows rose what the note said but supposedly it was written in two different handwriting's kin solvings infant daughter. Louise was sent to to an orphanage where she was financially supported by none other than Marion Davies first mistress which raises the question. Did First Order King solvings death. His guards found her shortly after the car accident. And hearst state was more than forty thousand acres. How did they know where to find her? And what details were they encouraged to hide. And why would I want Kim solving dead. Maybe because she was a loose cannon willing to turn herself in after killing ants or as revenge for murdering his future business his partner but it seems more logical to assume that hearst had Kim solving eliminated because he had killed in the father of her child and she knew about it the biggest problem with this narrative however is that there's seemingly no mention of the alleged assault until nineteen ninety the six when her granddaughter Patricia Campbell Hearst published the fictional book murder at San Simeon. So there's a distinct possibility ability that the entire theory around Abigail Kim solving sprang out of this novel. Numerous sources published since nineteen eighteen. Ninety six have mentioned the Kim solving rumor. But none before we've also been able to verify that anyone with this name ever worked for Marian Davies the American literary critic magazine Kirk is reviews. Wrote Abigail Kin Solving Secretary to Marian Davies. ABC's is as fictional as the protagonist herself and we would have to agree. If Abigail Kim solving was a real historical local figure we can't find her and if she didn't exist were left wondering why. Hide the truth about Thomas. Ince's death the lies printed in hearst's papers suggest cover but the counter arguments to our theories are pretty convincing thing. is well if I were conspiring to hide evidence of a murder in the words of historian Brian Taves one would have to assume that hearst I was powerful enough to seal the lips of not only his yacht crew but two nurses the authorities of several counties the opposition press instance wife and instance two brothers it would have been a monumental task. Hearst may have been capable of such a thing but it's hard to imagine he pulled it off without someone talking but what if the newspaper mogul covered up not a murder but an unintentional channel but fatal misfire author Joyce Milton Inner Book tramp the life of Charlie Chaplin admits. The Charlie's gun accidentally. Going going off is all too plausible but she argues that if ins was shot by accident. It likely wouldn't have been a mortal injury me. It would have been incredibly unfortunate lock for a loose bullet to shatter the ceiling and hit ins in the skull with enough force to kill him in addition in nineteen sixty nine longtime hearst journalist. Adela Rogers Saint John's quoted Nell incident article saying. Do you think I would have done nothing. If I even suspected that my husband had been the victim of foul play granted those words might have been in an attempt to deflect suspicion especially if she'd been accepting hearst's bribes but now hasn't been the only instance speak out his his granddaughter. Nancy in pro. Burt went on record in nineteen ninety eight. She said my father told me there was absolutely nothing wrong. No injuries no bullet holes of any kind not to mention. There's a signed affidavit. From Inside his studio manager saying that his body had been inspected by officials before cremation as is required by law which should confirm that INS- really did die of a heart attack. But then why did hearst papers lie about his death what was there to cover up. There's one more theory that we could could look into. But it's not as popular as the rest. Perhaps because it's not as sensational in one thousand nine hundred ninety four hearst was under investigation negation. By the Department of Justice for bootlegging it was the middle of prohibition and the Department of Justice had documents alleging that one of his boats I had been running boos along the coast of California ins- had been drinking before he died and the last thing I wanted was for anyone to pay attention to the overnight as alcohol service so he formulated a series of lies to deflect from the real story if he was just twisting the narrative. So that inside. His death wasn't traced back to alcohol. That's a much easier task than getting away with murder. He would have just had to pay awesome press representatives and maybe that's what happened in the words of nail ends. I do hope for the sake of my children and my beloved love. It grandchildren. No such belief in such a weird and silly story will continue down into the generations. Money talks power talks talks. Rumours guy hard but insted incredible things for the movie industry shaping the entertainment. 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Streaming In Place: Lucifer S01E02

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Streaming In Place: Lucifer S01E02

"To the television streaming. Hey guys so. Ellison can't join us today unfortunately because she's got some construction happening in her building. That would drive me batty on a day when I wasn't stuck inside so strength. Positive thoughts to allison but we're GONNA divine dividend here with two of Lucifer season once this is Lucifer. Stay Good Devil Obviously yesterday I was way more on board with the pilot than you or Alison were but you guys were still like tentative like it's fine right. That's the gist. I was getting that accurate. Yeah that's accurate. Yeah okay so second episodes right tend to be the pilot again the pilot take to like yes once more for those who missed the first week and we hope they're gonNA hang out and come back so Did this fall into that pattern for you. And if so how did it like fit? Was it a good second pilot or was it? A you know those tend to be really irritating For me at least us. Where did you fall with this one? I think it is very much as second pilot. But it's a slightly better second pilot I think if only because it's hey we get Jeremy Davies look we got Jimmy Davies for a second pilot. Everyone and I think that's always going to be a good thing. Even though he's also like enfold Dewey Crowe hair as well. The Yeah The do the Dewey Crows. Strong there But it's it's good. I think for me one of things that kind of elevates this low past its pilot is that gives you gives maze a little bit more to do. There's a little more agency slightly in her whole. Why aren't you being more like the devil type of thing of? She gets to do something to prove that this is kind of why she left To Joe go in this really long vacation and so I really like that. That is sort of the thing that's happening in this episode and it kind of pushes it a little bit. Further than the pilot does while stole really reinforcing. The whole we need you to go back to hell because things are getting really bad in our theological celestial plains sort of deal and then everything else of trying to sort out what happened. I actually think this is a stronger. Sort of who done it. Sort of thing procedural type case than the first episode is so. I think it's a better first second pilot them. A Lotta shows him to do fair. Enough the The casting of Jimmy Davis like you said like when I was first watching those like okay. People at the show know what they're doing. Then that's a good sign and I appreciated that. It wasn't the twitchy performance. I have come to expect from him that he gets cast to do a lot of the Times. So it's like there's elements of a very you know Jeremy Davies Kinda thing going on but it's not as elevated as I feel like that has really Jeremy Davies Standard performance like saying that people cast him to do he's capable of much more but the thing that people cast into do his boil down over time increasingly concentrated so much that when I think back to his character on lost I'm like Oh that was a totally different performance. I Miss Getting to see him do different performances. It's been too long. But so so yeah. I enjoyed him here. I think he really works in this sad sack role but I think that the what this was a little confusing for me about. It was just watching this. If I didn't know everything that's going to come next. I feel like the amount of like how Lucifer's powers work are a little more confusing after this episode. Yeah I can see that Do you mean specifically like in his whole sightly intense. Stare thing that triggers the question that he does here or is there something else specifically that you feel is a little is a little squishy than it is on the pilot will. I don't think the Dung Beetle is one of the complicated ones. Talks about like complicated. People are harder to framed work as module on. I don't feel like he's a complicated one and yet he's able to resist and not follow through on Lucifer's questionings about what he desires. Basically as the plot warrants. And that's not a good thing to be doing your second episode. I do think that's fair. I do think that there is also degrees in which the fat man's mental staters are decidedly. Sort of uncultured off kilter. I should say in that. He's racked twice supreme amounts of guilt He has overwhelming senses responsibility for this other. Paparazzi paper also that I think influences how he behaves that being said the intensity of those emotions in the intensities of that Middle State. Don't come through enough even with Jeremy Davies performance. Which I think is like you said steps away from the very distilled sort of concentrated Jeremy Davies stuff that we get is a little more aken. I think comparing two loss is a good is a is a good comparison so I think that's where they have to rely on Davies performance to get them through to that to make that believable but the writing I agree. Just it's not there in terms of justifying that does not mean to do that. Well my time line is full on. Twitter is full of people lot full but there are several people in which you know for me means people that are watching justify for the first time during all of this while they shelter in place. And it's just been so delightful for me like this is what we were talking about. Wait till you get to decoy But the enemy so if I had a little happy happy thought heavy. Tv thought there So with Davies. Bit quite a bit and I mean I think he's funny is a good foil. It's a different very different energy from everything happening. In the first episode ride the the Baddies Interacting with. This is a very different kind of thing. And that's a good change of pace right away Let's talk about the other Russia though because I don't know the name of the actor I don't have enough in front of me. Unfortunately I should make sure I get To be up tomorrow but he's creepy. Good Job Dude. You're very creepy. Did that care to work for some. I've seen this now like this limited time watching it and I had not connected the first few times I watched that he was actively causing all of these things like murdering people and everything and so when I was watching the shows like Oh yeah that really does shift things quite a bit in that final showdown. Yeah so I for me. I really worked. Who's really super creepy? No he doesn't really work and what I actually really appreciate about. That is that partner had just watched night crawler the whole movie which is basically this episode stretched out for an hour and a half two hours in which Jillian Hall increasingly staging events to be the first on the scene as a stringer her local news thing and this is basically the same sort of plot line and while this actor doesn't have that same kind of weird Jill Hall Energy It's still very much in that vein of your unsettling and the fact that the whole like the bald faced. No it's just I there's nothing else. There's not even that like other poor Who just wants to win a Pulitzer for carvings? Also sweet baby. That's not going to happen but that that that this is it this is his baseline is really horrifying. In a way that some of the other sort of desire prods are so I think it's also like a much better sort of case of the week antagonised Though that does lead to like last week case the weekend tag and his two shows up at the tail end of this episode and I have questions about why he's in a super villain prison so by his wife he suddenly Hannibal Lecter Cell as opposed to literally any other type of cell. I'm I'm sheltering plays with my parents Which means several things first of all it means to be tech support. Which I I worked export in college so I have some background in that but still it's not fun so that that's one significant part of my day but also means that some of these days. I'M GONNA be watching these episodes with my parents and my I was watching this with my mom and she was like. I don't think cops talk. That way has like also they don't Walker wander around with the devil so that doesn't happen either and that sort of I feel about that ending where you know. Yeah you're totally right. It's a Hannibal Lecter style like. This is way too big of a room at weights. There's absolutely no need for this in the center of the room. This doesn't make any sense. Which is the room that this kind of show stinks? People are put in for observation at a psychiatric facility. Which or just like. It's what they had lying around from. Its says they could use or something which but it should. It is so ridiculous and funny to me as I'm watching. It completely separated from the context of what's happening in the episode. Yeah so I was. I was like why are over because we need to watch him. Hit his head against the wall so clear so again. It's one of those episodes you. I'm like okay. We're just going with it. We're just like yeah. We're we're cool with this is fine. That's GONNA be stupid. Don't pay attention to that part of it and for me. It's really fine but yeah it is. It is absolutely ridiculous that he's in that kind of a cell like it would be much less fun much less striking if he was in an actual leg room or cell he would be in for observation. So that's why we're doing it this way and I'm perfectly okay with that. I mean I understand that. He shot off a police officer in. Ostensibly shot civilian six times in his perfectly safe. But it it's just a little extreme in the whole he. I know he's a record producer a Hollywood. So there's already at like a couple of strikes against the guy but this just seemed it just seemed a little bit extreme What did you think about the subplot? Regarding our decker and her daughter and the the back and forth her reemergence into into the public sphere for one of a better word And her daughter's reaction to it's not even an hd mom it was so great well in your thought that they played it really. Well right right off the bat in the second episode. Already I can appreciate the performance from From the actress who plays Khloe And it's such a straightforward like it's really a thankless kind of role right now and it's going to grow and get get more to do but like at this point is she's just there to be no nonsense and pretty straight laced and and so. I think that she's actually a really good job with that kind of a role And we're starting to a little bit of personality in those scenes. I like I really by that. That like drama for her and personal like Oh. Don't tell my daughter that I was at least half naked in a stupid movie. But she's GonNa And the way that they just undercut that by the end I thought was just absolutely the right way to go. It was Super Fun again. Trixie can stay. She's so adorable and charming. She's got her her dot her doll. Who is was it a Ballerina by day and a Ninja chemists by night and yes. I mean like it's delightful All anything Khloe in her daughter. I'm on board with. Yeah no I think I think it also really works well in the kind of obviously she's already watched it type of Even though it's it's a little unclear to me how old she is old enough to have lost both front teeth. The actor just seems so Siemian. Time me that I'm under. I think I'm underestimating. How dot characters supposed to be which is fair but I think that the whole kind of you know. My favorite part was the one where you just kept barking all over the place. It's just this is very sweet and it's good it's a Like it's both a honest kid response but it's also one of those empathetic kid. Tv Kid responses of no. I'M GONNA like shift this a little bit for my parents that they feel better about celebrity. Seen this because I have entered the timing performance level. Her timing was very good. It was like you cute and then establish fine and you're like a very good little kid performance and beat. That mullet really worked well but I think also yes it is a TV kid thing where they like somehow understand deeper level what their mom needs right now because it's better for the plot but also like the things that kids latch onto in their media. Some kids will latch onto the things. You're worried about them. Watching onto one hundred percent and some kids will not even notice that because they're too busy thinking about all these other things that from your lenses an adulterer as a parent or something else. You're not focused on and there's like but did you see how cool those gumdrops were in the packer. And they're so pretty. I want gumdrops now or you know. Fill in the blank so for me that actually that actually really worked. Yeah Yeah Yeah No. I think it's completely really good and the other thing I appreciate about that is that it sets up. I guess deckers mom to reemerge at some point. Is She still alive? I it's unclear yet. They haven't said either. Will you know they she? He does say lose process. You'll have to introduce me Sometime Ryan. And she says no to gas so she's alive. It's for dad's dead though because they make that very clear in this up so yes Okay yes the dead. That's dead so I want to circle back around to me 'cause you mentioned her already and I do think we get a lot more time with your here but While she's fun she's definitely fun. I don't feel like I'm curious. What sense you get got of her in this. Like how would you describe? Maze at this point will and that sorta thing is like a lot of what she does in. This episode is feels really driven to get to that final scene with the with the guns and everything And then to have DB Woodside's character a man amenity. He'll he'll men Deal amenity okay. I can remember that up until tomorrow. that I think our actions are like rooted in a like an overwhelming kind of sense of loyalty or like curse loyalty to Lucifer but also just an overwhelming sense of frustration that he's becoming soft he's human and that sort of like the only sense that we can she's like a disgruntled employee. Yes yes I think that. I think that's super accurate But one that very much wants her manager sue succeed. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed right which is basically been here in Washington Jay. Inslee shut down the state Yesterday but I I. I think that's sort of where I fall is that she's frustrated. She's annoyed but she's also like clinging to any sort of indication that he's going to be Lucifer Morningstar that she remembers that she followed out of hell into Los Angeles Whole other kinds of hell to be to like live the rest of eternity Sorrento Lewis Either WAY SO. I think it's better defined a little bit like Burger whole vibe but it stole just that is her whole vibe at this point and that's really frustrating actually like turned to my partner and I was just like someone does may get really interesting because I feel like like that needs to happen and she just kinda kept scrolling through episodes and going. I'm not sure win. That happens and I just went. That's not a great sign. I'm guessing like next season. 'cause this is only thirteen and they're going to be really focused on certain things. I think but I'm ready for that too. I'm ready for me to kind of already. Take a leap. I feel like maize is a mood. More than anything and anybody. Who's here in the zoom right now to go over to the chat and give your thoughts if you've already seen Lucifer. If you're new to it what how you feel about as but for me because if I had to think of like what's amazed episode. There's one that's a standalone that we get eventually. That is very much just on her and she does get more plots and more like meaty more substantive things to do as the season already in season one. But it's like if I had to pinpoint. Oh this is a this is where the character I don't feel like does I feel like she just sort of develops and as you spend more time with her like they just like. Give the actor and the the writers give her a little more shading as it goes. It's mostly she's just like you know we're talking about yesterday like a tone like mood and and a like a that just kind of a vibe more than anything else. And she's definitely a character who gets one two scenes in episode for Awhile and they wisely do not over explain or overuse her right away but that you know if you want more definition if you want more from her. That can get frustrating. Yeah I mean I can see that being issue as but this season on but if you're pressing me that this takes a little while then I'm I'm better Albie just I'll be able to Compartmentalized that whole thing. What speaking of these characters at that were still struggling to get a sense of? How are YOU WITH AMENITIES? Will Dr Dr Linda. So far I mean built. Don't get like a lot to do here. Amena deal is still very stole. Basically singing the same song. He was singing in the pilot So it's just like okay like feel really repetitive. To me The Linda stuff at least still feels very much again like the pilot in terms of she suddenly has an insight that like Lucifer brushes often than goes. No you were right But I think the big thing about Dr Linda that I really appreciate. The subset is nothing about her specifically but everything about the fact that she has a foldout couch in her office Because I feel like there's a lot to deal with. Is She just like staying in her office so much that she just got a pull out? Sofa for her office Or did she did? She ordered a new one after her first session with Lucifer. Just to streamline. The process worked for ME YELLOW DISHES. The strike me as the kind she strikes me as someone despite. Lucifer like what we know. The little we know about her right now You know in episode two but despite all that she tricked me as someone who has very clear boundaries between her professional life and personal life usually and so like she has office hours and then she goes home right. She's not like working all night and sleeping in her office and that's why she has to pull up at that doesn't it doesn't feel right for productive. Linda so far right so yeah. It's very much just for convenience sake and I like this idea that you're pitching like no. She was like well clearly. He's GonNa have to change here and ordered a new couch match your old couch that her other patients wouldn't know exactly or just just it just it got ruined some spilled coffee. This is why I have during the office. Rule clearly Marcus mentioned in in the chat. I think may starts to really shy when she starts interacting with one particular character later in the show. And exactly you're talking about an I wholeheartedly agree And when those characters have a rift for a while I was I was very invested in that There are two people that listeners who the show might think I'm talking about but I think we all know guys you know who I'm talking about and it's not the season for thing. It's the season three thing. This is when trixie and maze like really. Start to bond over maze. Just repeatedly babysitting her. Spoilers is what happens to guess again. One yet mays does does hang out with trixie quite a bit and it's delightful So no telling guys nobody else because she doesn't know that she's not here yet. Did you actually get it or did you person tell you know? I actually just guessed that right now. Yeah so good as you would expect what about. We haven't big showdown at the end. I feel like we need to touch on that I really liked the The the way that Lucifer works his way out of it and the fact that he just like. Let's call up a deal just to with them and also because it will solve this problem The characterization of him is so on point like already in to the fact that you like calls managerial which freezes time so he can put the bullet that tells us that he's smart and he's creative and that also and then he flexible and goes over and kicks the guy nuts because he's also that kind of person he's GonNa take a shot when he can why not I think that whole scene builds really nicely does a good job of showing us who are protagonist is does and I think that the whole end but it also kind of tells us a little bit about mazes while in that she she didn't load the guns and just like let's find out what happens on this very sort of like chaotic neutral. Ish Sort of approach to things I think works in their saver but I do think that Lucifer's whole deal of getting out of that situation. Works really really well But you mentioned sort of like a little bit about it tells us a little bit about like how I wanted to purchase things and that was something. I actually wanted to bring up a little bit in disclosing minutes. Is They mentioned that far? Be It from him. He was her something along far from me to question. Someone's moral judgment but I think that it's a very weird statement. Because he has a very men gene sort of were the view of who he is a good evil black white sort of a deal. And I'm really curious how much that gets starts getting fuzzy going forward if it starts getting fuzzy Because be tested style. It's really clear Type of deal about this kind of stuff and I've just when they mentioned that when he says I'm just like no. You're actually a really kind of clean cut moralist in a lot of ways and you have a very clear sort of moral path. That's even exemplified very getting into this cold open. That does I think a better job than the police opened does to a certain degree of where his compasses. So I'm actually curious to see if that sorts getting fuzzy as he becomes more human since. This is a concern. May's book sort of are expressing about him. You can provide a little hint. It's fine I think the show knows. It's I think this show knows where it's morality lies and it knows its themes already and some of that might be because it's based on you know graphic novel and a pre existing character. I have not read any of them. I don't know how accurate it is to any of that and guess I've heard it's very different from He. The I think the extent of is that he does leave and goes on vacation but in the book Sandman basically has to start deciding who goes to hell which is not something that I think that character is necessarily to do. Yeah okay But the you know. There's there's things that they are touching on here that are just core to Lucifer is like his thing. I Hate Liars. I hate people because he doesn't generally doesn't pass judgment on people's choices A long as they're not hurt people so he's like you do that's fine. He's clearly very okay with drugs and any kind of consensual sex in any kind of just things that people people might WanNa make But he doesn't he can't stand can't tolerate people lying about it and that seems like it's also part of what's really connected to his power his his like his superpower if you will of pulling people's desires out of them because he wants he has this connection to what do you desire. Stop lying to yourself. We clear like understand yourself and make your decisions and go from there And like understand who you are so in a certain way he would appreciate the villain in this episode quite a bit. He's who's very clear about what he is He doesn't listen okay with him. Running around killing people but But that clarity of Of Self is something that is important. I think is important to Lucifer. Which makes his own journey toward for that towards that and working on that very interesting and yeah I will. I will leave it there. Because he's also for someone who doesn't like lying and doesn't he prides himself in never lying if you parse his words he doesn't technically Li- like ever. He's very very good at lying to himself and he does it all the time. But that's always really different. Yeah so that's really doesn't count different thing You enjoyed the preacher. Then that opening bit yeah I did I thought it was really solid. I liked him more than the police. The police the police went. Yeah and it's a good like like we were saying second pilot like Redo it but in a different way kind of right. Yeah Yeah do you. Are you worried that their overusing devil face right like his flashing of his actual? No No. I think it's I think that if you're gonNA spend that amount of money either on the prospects or on that affect you should use it our feel about that. Okay well does anybody. Who's in the chat room? Have any questions things he wants to touch on while you're typing Person who walked past announced the kids enjoy the arms. That was very wet. Yeah wanted corrected me via tax message. That Sandman doesn't decide who goes to help. He decided to help goes to sleep so he has decide which the deities takes over. Hell thank you very good well and showed US eventually get into is what is how it takes a while which. I think it's smart. Don't even get that right away but they do eventually get into. What is Helen? How does it feel and what is like? How does it work? And it's murky. There should like knocked when they will when they given the give answers and but then the answers that they give work in our satisfying and everything. But then don't necessarily align with some of the things they've said previously about certain characters so like it's it's interesting you know but they in we'll talk about when you get there but for now. I think we should wrap up our conversation here about episode two tomorrow. We're going back to talk about episode three. Which is this when I did pull up. Everybody would be. Prince of darkness is episode episode. Three here and yeah. It's IT'S A it's another from one. I think I mean I like all of these. I enjoy all of these. So we'll we'll see whatever they say so thank you to everybody who's dying. Marcus we've SP SP sports and then Tanya and woodrow so thank you all for coming good glad to see a friend of the show. Sp Sports. I should say. 'cause you've been on. We had a fun time talking. Okay we'RE GONNA call up for today and we'll be back tomorrow for more streaming and place by guys.

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