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"davidians" Discussed on That’s Strange

That’s Strange

03:27 min | 2 months ago

"davidians" Discussed on That’s Strange

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"davidians" Discussed on History of the 90s

History of the 90s

08:13 min | 4 months ago

"davidians" Discussed on History of the 90s

"Started simultaneously at three different locations around the building. Evidence didn't stop conspiracy. Theorists and others who believe the FBI was to blame. And then in a shocking turn of events in August, one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine six years after the deadly siege, the FBI reversed its position, and admitted agents had in fact fired a very limited number of potentially incendiary tear gas cartridges into the complex. The admission came after Danny Colson a former FBI. Senior official told a Dallas newspaper in an interview that two devices known as. Tear gas grenades were fired at the complex around six am, and they were used with permission from supervisors. Two days after that interview, the FBI confirmed what Colson said was true. But they maintained that none of their munitions started any of the fires because flames broke out hours after the cartridges were fired. As a result of this new admission by the FBI Attorney General Reno ordered a special council investigation into the FBI's actions to determine once, and for all who was to blame for the tragic ending. In his final report released in July two thousand John C Danforth former Republican senator concluded that the FBI did not start the fire that destroyed the compound. He told a crowded news conference. We are certain and I give you these conclusions with one hundred percents certainty. The blame rests squarely on the shoulders of David Koresh. The report concluded that FBI agents fired three tear gas grenades. Pit about seventy five yards from the living quarters hours before the fires and did not contribute to them. Danforth set that Janet. Reno and other high government officials had not known about the use of grenades. But he did criticise FBI officials for not coming clean sooner about the pyrotechnic canisters because it fueled lingering suspicions about the siege. He, said the American people did not receive the openness and candor that they deserved in response to this tragedy. The Waco tragedy became something of a rallying cry for those who were concerned about unlawful government overreach. For right wing militias and Patriot groups Waco was evidence that the federal government is a threat and proof that a tyrannical illegitimate government was prepared to kill its own people. For Them, the Waco siege along with what happened in Ruby. Ridge Idaho were defining moments. A year earlier in the summer of Nineteen ninety-two things went horribly wrong when ATF, agents and US marshals went to Ruby Ridge to arrest right-wing activists. For selling illegal weapons. Weaver had taken his family to live in a remote cabin instead of showing UP TO COURT TO FACE WEAPONS CHARGES US marshals who were monitoring weaver, and his family ultimately got into a firefight with him, a friend and weavers, fourteen year old son, it resulted in the death of both a us, Marshall and the fourteen year old son. The gunfight prompted an eleven day standoff before weaver and his friend surrendered. The standoff, an F. B. I. Sniper attempted to hit the two men instead, though he shot and killed weaver's wife, as she held the couple's ten month old child. The actions by agents at Ruby Ridge and Waco outraged Melissa, groups and other fringe segments of society. Timothy McVeigh was one of those drawn to Waco. In fact, the army veteran had been worried about what he saw. Ruby Ridge and went down to Waco to sell pro God an anti-government stickers and witnessed the siege. Then two years later in nineteen, ninety five in Oklahoma City. He was responsible for one of the worst acts of homegrown terrorism as he bombed a government building in part as a direct response to Waco The. Ironic thing is Karesh and the branch Davidians actually had no links to any of those movements. Here's Dick Rivas Layer, not right wing, or left wing, or anything like that. there. And all of the gun rights people take them as heroes. and. It doesn't make sense David of course was a gun. Not all Texas rednecks or and. They've bought up a are fifteen. Partly, because in case, the army of Babylon ever attacked and But also to sell. So. You say they weren't gun rights people who were profiteers. Since Ruby. Ridge and WACO THE ATF and FBI handled other standoffs very differently. In one thousand, nine, hundred six, a group called the Montana freemen started a standoff with federal officials rather than get addicted from foreclosed ranch. This time the FBI waited them out. The confrontation lasted eighty one days thirty days longer than WACO and this time everybody walked out. Nobody was harmed. And this new playbook was used again in two, thousand, fourteen and gone when Cliven Bundy and other protesters occupied a federal wildlife refuge. It also ended peacefully after a forty one day standoff. After the siege in Waco ended eight members of the sect were convicted on charges of voluntary manslaughter and using firearms in the Commission of a crime. By, two thousand seven, all had been released from prison. Some survivors of the group stayed in the Waco area and remained. Devote like Clive Doyle and Sheila Martin. Doyle lost his daughter in the blaze will martin lost her husband Wayne a Harvard educated lawyer and her four eldest children. They believe that at the end of days Karesh and their loved ones will all be resurrected as martyrs. A new group of Davidians who were not followers of Karash have built a chapel on the site of the former compound. This act which calls itself branch the Lord Our righteousness is led by Charles Pace. Who is originally from Collingwood Ontario? He's a former follower of Lois Roden who initially parted ways with the group? After Karesh came to power. Thanks for listening to this look back at the lasting and complicated legacy of the branch, Davidians and the siege at Waco Texas. This is the fourth and final part in our series on doomsday cults at the end of the twentieth century. I hope you liked it. Please, check out. The show notes for links to my asked retired journalist and author Dick Rivas. His Book on Waco is called the ashes of Waco, an investigation Mr Rivas. who was a civil rights worker with Dr? King's organization in Alabama in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five and sixty six tells me that he spends his days now writing long facebook post. Thanks to everyone who's been sending me suggestions on show ideas. If you have an idea, please let me know I'd love to hear from you. You can reach me through twitter at nineteen ninety history. I'm also on instagram and facebook. You can also email me directly at ninety at curious CAST DOT CA. That's nine zero s at curious cast dot CA. If, you haven't already make sure to subscribe to our show, so you never miss an episode and while you're there, please feel free to rate and review us. It helps spread the word and get more people to find the show. We're available for free at apple podcasts. spotify Google podcast, and everywhere else you get your streaming audio. You can also listen at curious cast dot CA. This show is hosted and Co.

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"davidians" Discussed on History of the 90s

History of the 90s

02:26 min | 4 months ago

"davidians" Discussed on History of the 90s

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"davidians" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

Newsradio 970 WFLA

05:36 min | 8 months ago

"davidians" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"I think more than it needs to be and I guess you could refer to the branch Davidians as a cult if you if you care to but I don't know that anybody was held there against their will and they could have arrested David Koresh at any point in time they just want to show both it all blew up in her face and the thing that really bothers me the most was Janet Reno said that at the time there was no evidence to prove that they were abusing children but there was no evidence to prove that they weren't and why she wasn't you know brought up on charges and everybody responsible they got away with basically as far as I'm concerned burger well they certainly botched I mean I don't want to ascribe motives one way or the other to the FBI or the the bureau but they certainly botched I think we can agree on that and the result was horrific a hundred lost souls many of them children there seems to be some evidence though that that there there were some individuals that were shot well okay I was in the military for twenty six years I was in the army we trained with CS gas they pumped CS gas into the facility it is highly volatile and they knew that they had kerosene heater so there so that's enough circumstantial evidence I think to bring charges against somebody right cannot be that incompetent so your saying that they were doing this as a show as a as a demonstration of of federal power authority well they they they call the coal they're gone crazy people they perceive the second amendment so they were trying to prove their point that they're the righteous people that know what's good for us and regardless of how many innocent people and children have to die in my point is why wasn't any book body brought to justice as a result of the the department nobody was fired nobody lost their job nobody went to jail nobody was prosecuted except the rights of Indians and the ones that survive role tried and found not guilty of anything excellent point Sam thank you for that okay all right let's say hi to a gene in Ohio first time caller gene good morning welcome to coast to coast good morning Richard hi there so it's my birthday Thursday and this is like a three or a like a an early birthday present first time caller got in for the first time in six years I mean listen you guys happy birthday love reinstalled the Georges colony Jeremy in a new record I know you all are well thank you gene may god grant you many years as we say okay thank you right I was going to comment on that a story about rods feral the vampire cults yeah article there's the teenage kids that end up killing the girl's parents well that's not too far from where you are in a if you're in Ohio that was in Kentucky just south of you the Florida or he was from Kentucky I think her privacy somewhere down around there when he went down to Florida killer parents but right the thing about it is I did read there was a and a good book on it I read at the library about fifteen years ago and it was it was called the embrace it was a story about that that family and what happened with that kid and I'm not saying anyone a bad kid but what a what a messed up childhood like you and I guess we're talking about you know what I mean yes they grow up around is modern and she was more or less like a cheer cheerleader for bad behavior she would have sex with his friends and stuff like that and I I can't even picture what I would have felt like fire to grow up with a bad mother like that either I had a wonderful mother you know I mean she died when she was sixty six and I'm sixty six today and hopefully I make it four more days to my birthday that always creeps me out she died when I was thirty three but that that lawyer to go through what he went through it you're guaranteed a kid would end up messed up you know I mean if you if you read the story and it's it's detailed quite nicely and Alan Warnes book doomsday cults just a quick read of it you knew that that was not going to end well just his isn't his mother was a monster and she created another monster and the cycle continues yeah that that trickled on down because it gathers Jamie had to leave and go to the army didn't stick around maybe going to straighten the ball out or they could have a relationship because what a mess there indeed this terrible terrible story Jeanne I hope you have a wonderful birthday on Thursday okay thanks calling it's nice talking to you love you guys likewise and we love you to G. all right let's say hi to our good friend Cornelius on the wildcard line hello Cornelius welcome my friend hello Mister Richard shared well I love when your own to the block all the callers and stuff like that listeners I was.

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New York's 'Fearless Girl' to stare down the Stock Exchange

NPR News Now

02:16 min | 2 years ago

New York's 'Fearless Girl' to stare down the Stock Exchange

"Ceremonies taking place at the oklahoma city national memorial and museum thousands of people expected to attend remembrances in oklahoma city today the bombing of the murph federal building was the work of two right wing extremists who were exacting revenge for an f b i raid in waco texas exactly two years earlier it's twenty five years ago today the siege of a religious compound outside waco ended with the fire and more than eighty people dead as houston public media's travis bennett reports lessons from the tragedy still resonate particularly with law enforcement eric everts with the bureau of alcohol tobacco firearms and explosives was one of the agents shot while trying to raid the branch davidians compound if any one of us have gotten on the radio and said why are we doing this the element of surprise is lost somebody would have said yeah let's call this off it's not worth the risk but they didn't either says a lesson in how what he calls mission mindset can take over during police operation the fire that ended the standoff happened after thirty say negotiations broke down the tragedy made federal authorities more willing to give negotiations time and to give negotiators of bigger role in handling confrontations this is npr in germany record label b m g says it's donating one hundred thousand euros to combat antisemitism following the release of a highly controversial hip hop album containing graphic lyrics s may nicholson reports antisemitic incidents are on the rise in germany the album by roba's kalinga and ferret ban include lyrics describing that bodies as quote more defined than auschwitz prisoners the hip hop artist won an award at germany's on such the grammys last week previous recipients of the prestigious echo prize up in returning their awards in protest bmg's ceo haute fish muscle set the label is utterly opposed to antisemitism that's us nicholson reporting fearless girl is moving the new york city bronze statue of a little girl with hands on hips staring down the famous bull of wall street is getting a new home near the stock exchange npr's rose friedman has more on the fearless girl's fate she's supposed to be a symbol of female empowerment.

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Ex-Playmate reaches deal allowing her to speak about alleged affair with Trump

News, Traffic and Weather

02:08 min | 2 years ago

Ex-Playmate reaches deal allowing her to speak about alleged affair with Trump

"The company that owns the national enquirer is leading a former playboy model out of a contract that prevented her from talking publicly about an alleged affair with donald trump that settlement ends the lawsuit brought by the model karen mcdougal the jury and bill cosby sexual assault retrial expected to hear from a pair of drug experts later on today they've already heard cosby's deposition testimony about giving quayle lutes two women before sex yesterday a key defense witness testified cosby's chief accuser had talked about framing a celebrity before going to police with her allegations back in two thousand five it has been a quarter century since the inferno that ended a fifty one day standoff between federal agents and the branch davidian religious sect outside waco texas abc's jim ryan says since then that central texas city is trying to reinvent itself the place where the branch davidian compound one stood still draws daily visitors you can't make people forget about something but twenty five years after the blaze has karla pendergraph to the waco convention and visitors bureau over the years wako has added new attractions namely already to see your fixer upper chip and joanna gaines greg horton of california came to waco specifically to see chipper jones you down absolutely the husband wife stars of the reality tv show fixer upper who's retail empire draws more than a million visitors to waco every year jim ryan abc news seventy five members of the branch davidians died in that fire in waco back in nineteen ninetythree this is abc news time twelve oh four komo aaa traffic every ten minutes on the fours on mercer island on the eastbound i ninety ramp to west mercer way there's a collision that is blocking that ramp now state patrol is on the scene and we also have construction going on overnight eastbound highway sixteen in tacoma from union to spray at least a two lanes closed in the eastbound direction till five o'clock in the morning this report is brought to you by layla resort and casino discover the gaming power of one earn points and rewards at all three of your favorite casinos find all the details at tulalipcasino dot com your next report at twelve fourteen i'm jay phillips on.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:31 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"After the fire was put out seventy six branch davidians were found dead 22 children from babies to aged thirteen died in a bunker where they were hidden with the remaining women this number includes two brand new infants whose births were induced by the trauma the tear gas assault and fire four children were wayne martin's and dna testing proved that fourteen of the children including the trauma born infants were david koresh is biological children seven teenagers aged fourteen to nineteen died of the adults who died 2003 were americans one was australian twenty were british most with jamaican origins one was canadian one was israeli and one was a new zealander twenty people had gunshot wounds including five children a threeyearold was stabbed these are suspected to be mercy killings committed by the branch davidians when they realized they'd reached the point of no return in the blaze david koresh died beside steve schneider they both sustained fatal gunshot wounds the order of their death wasn't decisively determined but it seemed likely that steve had first shot correction the forehead and then himself with a caresses followers had anything to do with the fire that ultimately claimed the lives or not the government's final conclusion was at the branch davidians were at fault for refusing to comply with orders to leave the compound the controversy surrounding what happened that day of mount carmel the government reports and investigations as well as the conspiracy theories are so voluminous we can't begin to detail their mere suffice it to say there were serious mistakes made by the fbi and the branch davidians who remained till those final hours were extremely reluctant to come out the government investigations ultimately found karash to be at fault for the deaths but that hasn't stopped fierce debate an antigovernment militia type still site what happened at waco is a prime example of gross government overreach as with many controversies the facts can look very different depending on the lenzi view them through but some things are incontrovertible one of them is that posthumous dna testing confirmed that karesh fathered children with underage girls had he been tried in court he would have been charged with a number of counts of statutory rape at the very minimum that's one point that many people including those who believe strongly in the religious freedom the constitution protects have a very high.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:55 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Teargas plan based on the current findings but it remained under discussion of april 18th branch davidians helped their children up in the windows of a tower that the fbi had told them was off limits because of its tactical value as a shooting tear it the dividians also held up a sign that said flames await the next day april 19th the fbi negotiator warned over a loudspeaker that the branch davidians were under arrest and teargas was going to be deployed around six am the fbi used to combat engineering vehicles cds to knock holes in the building an insert tear gas into the compound through spray nozzles attached to a boom the davidians started firing of the fed's the fbi held their fire but increased its actions adding more gas by 930 one of the c e vis widened a hole in the compound walls for people to escape by eleven am things seem to be going well for the fbi all things considered and reno went to an unrelated meeting at eleven forty five one of the back walls of the compound collapsed the branch davidians resumed firing on the fbi from multiple positions just afternoon several fires erupted within the compound behind the scenes the fbi scrambled to get trucks on scene but they weren't imposition nearby they were way out at the staging area the fbi called for charest to come out and lead the branch davidians to safety nine members exited the compound and were arrested including the drummer david tippytoe shortly after the sound of gunfire came from inside the compound the fbi believed the remaining followers were either killing themselves or each other it wasn't until almost 1245 that the fbi was able to begin firefighting efforts those last nine people to come out were the sole survivors of the blaze.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Said that she saw federal forces flipping the bird from their tanks and mooning the branch davidians she said that behavior made the branch davidians feel even more strongly like they were on the right side of things who were these crude men who had no respect for god that's a strong example of the significant disconnect between what negotiators were saying and the behavior the branch davidians witness from a tactical forces stationed closest to them on march twenty second the fbi teams met to discuss next steps there was still no agreement about the best way forward negotiators still believe there is a path to a peaceful resolution but the more aggressive voices of tactical leaders were getting louder on march 23rd one more adult left the compound british citizen livingston fagan and the 20year anniversary of the fiery end to the standoff fagan was still a believer he said quote i did wanna go but i was asked to do so by david in the event that we were all killed there needed to be some voices outside to tell the story from our point of view and quote fagan was arrested after he came out the next few days saw little movement karesh went silat the fbi's game of brinksmanship yielded no tangible results during march twenty nine th to 31st representative of attorney general janet reno met with fbi officials about the infighting among the feds karesh was allowed to talk to his lawyer for the first time but april first crush agreed that they would come out after passover one of the most important holidays to the branch dividians the same day crushed talk to his lawyers religious scholars phil arnold and jim taber appeared on a talk show at interpreted the book of revelation as that applied to the standoff in an attempt to reach karesh in his own language on april fourth karesh again told his lawyers that they all come out after passover the absurb pass over on the fifth on the seventh karesh refused to agree to enacted date the feds revisited the idea of.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:45 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Spent nearly eight hours on the phone with negotiators tensions ran high there was disagreement among the fbi's ranks as to the best path forward teargas gas was floated as an option to flush the remaining branch davidians out of the compound but authorities knew there were a lot of children left inside tear girl said obviously never been tested on kids before that everyone was worried about the potential longterm impacts of kids being exposed especially in the high quantities being proposed yeah here's something we want you to check out today's episode discusses the deadly confrontation between the us government and the branch davidians if you're enjoying this episode of cults you should check out paramount networks six part mini series in waco the takes a deeper look into the tragic event in 1993 that leftover seventy branch davidians including twenty five children dead waco explores both the branch davidians and the government side of the complex standoff and the events that ultimately led to the end of the ranch davidians the show examines themes of religious freedom second amendment rights militarization of police and government infringing upon individual liberties issues that are still at the heart of society today the show has a starstudded cast featuring michael shannon john liquids was ahmo and taylor kitsch who stars as david koresh delve deeper into the untold story of waco on the twentyfifth anniversary of the now infamous siege wako premiers wednesday january 24th at ten pm lung paramount network now let's get back to the story.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Bolger for his ideas the safety of his followers was secondary karesh got what he wanted at one thirty pm the tape was broadcast by the christian broadcasting network but by six p m karesh had reversed himself he said he got another message from god god told him to stay put the fbi negotiators were in a tough position they were trained in hostage negotiation but in this situation they had a group of people who were captive to an ideology rather than someone with a literal gun to their heads from the branch davidians perspective they had more to fear from the fbi than by staying hunkered down with karash if everything went up in flames as karesh had been preaching for years they would still have eternal life if they left their leader side they be doomed to eternal damnation mike all the other nonbelievers this was the moment of truth march third past with a lot of religious ramblings by kereish he talked to the negotiators a lot about how he was anointed to unlock the seven seals some survivors reported that he told them that they were now in the midst of the fifth seal defeat to seal was when they would be martyred in a moment of great persecution they were ready to die and then wait for the other martyrs before they got to live forever in the new kingdom that would be ushered in after the full cycle of seals was complete karesh also described as gunshot wounds he said quote i've tried to sit up which i can't do and also my hip like i say it's you know being shots a dramatic thing it shocks the body and plus you know like i said it cracked or went through or did something at the top part of my hip bone because it hit me from the site of my belly headed over and hit the hip and then when a rounded out kind of like towards my rear and quote in spite of his serious injuries karesh was alert and showing no signs of waning in his fervor on march fourth correct.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Her another story is clear and it's a lot less prophetic and a lot more logical at minimum crush knew that the polygamous house of david was frowned on by american society 1993 on top of that in his supposed quest for more offspring he'd been having sex with many of his wives some of whom were just children themselves these facts not to mention the weapons violations may government intervention not just likely but inevitable it didn't take a direct line to god to know that the government would come after karash as testament to how illprepared the atf was and how well armed the branch davidians were toward the end of the gun battle the atf was running out of ammunition while the branch davidians were still ready to fire at will while the average time for a gun battle with law enforcement is under one minute the february twenty eight atf shootout with the branch davidians lasted over two hours when the shooting finally started to die down the atf was running out of it in addition but the branch davidians were still locked and loaded once a temporary ceasefire was brokered the atf agents were able to come in and clear out their casualties the local police encouraged crash to accept medical assistance for the branch davidians but karesh said none of them were injured seriously enough and they did want help he didn't reveal that the branch davidians had already lost six people and he himself was wounded by gunfire on his left wrist and hip one of his wounded followers later told negotiators on the phone that she didn't want to come out for treatment she'd rather die standing up for their cause it begs the question what was their cause at this point and for karash the conflict itself was a means to an end the longer the standoff dragged on the more heated at guide and the more it bolstered every claim he'd made to his followers about the confrontation he predicted the persecution he felt the world had in store for him and suppose it end of the world that was near.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"The raid was coming rodriguez realize karesh knew he was with the feds his cover was blown rodriguez took off it's interesting to note that there was no friction between the men karesh wasn't panicked he was happy to let rodriguez leave karesh had predicted a confrontation with the government and it was about to happen though mighty men and others sprang into action the reported to have put on black armored clothing that was sown by their very own former wives a federal affidavit said that wayne martin wore a necklace of hand grenades the women and children for the most part went into hiding though at least one woman a former police officer took part in the firefight she was one of the six branch dividians who died that morning rodriguez notified the atf that the branch davidians new the atf was coming bat atf plan was predicated on a surprise visit but instead of postponing the operation the atf leadership determined that they would go ahead with the raid they wanted to russian hopeful that the branch davidians wouldn't have time to get ready for them in hindsight it was an incredibly foolish decision they were looking to take a sizeable compound there were dozens of vehicles onsite including buses the buildings were ranged in a tight rectangle their formation with a large pool along the back left side the buildings included tactically significant structures like water tower and a watchtower there were group living quarters karesh is living quarters a jim used for storage and multiple concrete bunkers reaching the compound wouldn't be a simple task but within hours at nine thirty a m the atf attempted to execute their warrants one hundred agents piled into two cattle trailers and hid under large tarts there were helicopters with gunmen incoming the communication among the atf crew was shoddy some new that the branch davidians might be heavily armed while others did not theirs.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:19 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Like other husband's he primarily saw his wife during bible study under the watchful eyes of karesh crush didn't like the men to spend time with their children the parent childbond could threaten his control but kathy arranged secret visits so michael could see his son like wayne and michael many davidians had jobs in the community and turn their wages over to crash but gun dealing was a particularly profitable business with the added bonus of allowing the group to easily build at arsenal you might be wondering why the median arsenal karesh felt the pressures of outside culture he knew his views and his practices particularly polygamy and having sex with his wives some of whom were children as young as eleven were not only outside the mainstream but also considered criminal activity he knew he was on the government radar in february of 1992 a full year before the tea afraid the texas department of human services and two sheriff's deputies paid the compound a visit to investigate claims risen from the curie jewel custody battle namely that karash was sexually abusing girls this amplified karesh is beliefs that he would be martyred for his cause but he wasn't planning to go down without a fight he prepared for armed conflict and carried a glock which he kept close at hand even when he slept also in 1992 a couple of the mighty men were alleged to have traveled to california to pick up a machinegun conversion kit from the bunce pomona house the bunce had found the kid after the branch davidians cleared out but saved it in the garage in case karesh ever came for it even though the left the group they couldn't entirely escape crushes hold on them in a way they were still protecting him if they had fully cut ties they might have just gotten rid of it but he had enough residual power over the bonds family that they stored his property for him ultimately it was this type of weaponsrelated intelligence that brought the atf to mount carmel doorstep the atf was first alerted to the branch davidians penchant for heavy arms in the summer of 1992 when a ups delivery driver noticed weapons as well as grenade casings inside a torn package that he delivered to mount carmel though the grenades were inert someone with the right skills sat in.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:46 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Before we begin i'm excited to share my spooky new podcast with you haunted places every other thursday greg gives us a spooky audio tour of some of the most haunted places in the world every haunted place as are frightening but real backstory i'll take you through the legends history and supernatural activity of each place haunted places is a park cast podcast listen and subscribe to haunted places on apple podcast tune in google play or podcast dot com due to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of graphic material that some people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen hi i'm greg poulsen and i'm vanessa richardson of this is cults in part one of our exploration of david koresh and the branch davidians we explored creches early life at his rise within the group if you haven't listen to part one you may wanna jump back him check it out before listening to part to impart to will learn more about croatia's followers or is he called them students and what he preached to them will explore why people stayed in the group even as karesh limited their basic freedoms emotionally isolated them and led them into a violent clash with the us government will delve into the actual confrontation between the branch davidians and the us government and see how the fatally botched atf raid developed into a fifty one day standoff with the fbi that ended in flames killing scores of branch davidians including karash and almost two dozen children vanessa's go to lead the way on the psychology he.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:37 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"They were at the top of this group and and they're looking at him for all the answers they're willing to die for him and if he's putting in terms of the context of it is that look to god said that this is this is all mitigating you you know um so we want to die in the where the god wants to die and so he can do just about anything with them that he wanted to this point next week we'll discuss the events leading up to the old 1993 atf raid of the mount carmel compound and subsequent standoff between the branch davidians on the fbi we'll see how the fbi handled the situation including some places where they went wrong and will explore why so many of caresses followers stayed with them at the compound and eventually lost their lives in the most fatal standoff the fbi has seen to this day thanks again for tuning into cults if you want to listen to any previous episodes of cults you can find them on apple podcast tune in google play soundcloud stitcher and spotify or on our website park cast dot com spelled p a r c a s t dot com if you like what you hear pleas little fivestar review or tell us what you think on social media were on facebook and instagram as at par cast and twitter par cast network it seems simple but it really helps our show join us next tuesday as we continue to unpack david karash and the branch davidians.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:11 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Here's something we think you'll find interesting if you're enjoying this episode of cults you should check out paramount networks six part mini series waco the takes a deeper look into the tragic event in 1993 that leftover seventy branch davidians including twenty five children dead in our two part series on the branch davidians we discussed the deadly confrontation between the us government at the branch davidians waco explores both sides of the complex standoff and the events that ultimately led to the tragic and controversial end of the branch davidians the show examines themes of religious freedom second amendment rights militarization of police and government infringing upon individual liberties issues that are still at the heart of society today the show includes a starstudded cast featuring academy award nominee michael shannon golden globenominee john leguizamo and taylor kitsch who stars as david koresh delve deeper into the untold story three of waco on the twentyfifth anniversary of the now infamous siege waco premiers wednesday january 24th on paramount network now let's get back to the story it 1983 lowest roden allowed vernon wayne hall to begin preaching to the group it was a skill he started honing a way back when he was a youngster at school and he gotten really good at it vernons tremendous capacity to speak extemporaneously from and about the bible deeply impressed other branch dividians as historian molly mcgarry points out other branch davidians new vernon only had a ninth grade education they saw this uneducated man's ability to recite from and speak about the bible for hours on end as a sign that he was truly moved by the holy spirit to speak as vernon gained their attention he began working to wrest power away from lois he turned away from the idea of the feminine holy spirit he went so far as to burn down the group's publishing building in 1983 so lois his message could no longer be published and spread in 1984 vernon effectively a.

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"davidians" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:38 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Cults

"Paramount network presents waco a six parked television event that tells the story of one of the most shocking sieges in us history that resulted in a fifty one day standoff between the fbi and the branch davidians the schilling colludes a star studded ensemble cast featuring michael shannon john leguizamo in taylor catch who plays david koresh waco premiers wednesday january 24th on paramount network due to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of graphic material that some people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen hi i'm greg poulsen and i'm vanessa richardson and this is cults today in part one of our exploration of david koresh and the branch davidians we'll take a deep dive into the life of david koresh their most infamous leader whose fate was sealed in a raging fire in waco texas in part to will focus on karesh is branch davidian followers will delve into crushes techniques for recruiting them their beliefs and the tragedy that befell that met waco finesse is going to lead the way on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note than us is not a licence psychologists and psychiatrists but she's that a lot of research for the show thanks greg and just a reminder if you're is fascinated by cult says we are you can listen to previous episodes of cults on your favorite podcast directory don't forget to subscribe while you're there because new episodes come out every tuesday but if you like what you hear please leave a fivestar review wherever you listen it helps.

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"davidians" Discussed on Zealot

Zealot

01:38 min | 3 years ago

"davidians" Discussed on Zealot

"In saying height they're on the y yeah um and there's not a massive on standing as to why he knew about that but this is a couple a story but this luca everything from this point everything from february twenty eight 93 which is the day of the ray everything from there has to sign absolutely and you could you could troll your way through incredibly low quality documentaries forever in a nutshell if got the right the initial raid on february twenty eight said he atf agents coming there are also climbing child abuse but that's not actually their jurisdiction said is a law a chat about that as well four atf agents killed in seeks branch davidians killed bang shot that leads to a fifty one day sage ends in a big file there was so essentially i mean there was a fifty one day fifty one days of nonstop media coverage of it and the fbi took iva after a short while because as soon as you get agents killed then it becomes an fbi briefing which is kind of almost a blessing because the fbi negotiators a much better than alcohol tobacco and firearms i mean can you imagine the people involved in that i i ran some way that the the itf agents they write their blood type on they neck or the um before they go in for raids so that if they can't hold people know their blood or injured people know their blood time.

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