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Season 5-Episode 6  Thelema!-David Shoemaker

Thoth-Hermes Podcast

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Season 5-Episode 6 Thelema!-David Shoemaker

"So, Tommy's podcast. Welcome to the world of the Western Esoteric tradition. A hello friends and listeners. Welcome to an you episode after sauce. Hermes podcast. This is today Sunday August sixteen, and I'm welcoming you episode number six in our season five last week. You didn't have an episode because your host had his birthday and I had been extended my birthday. Celebrations No. Seriously I don't celebrate that much but I just. Needed that we can to meet people, and so I think you for your understanding today's guest in this show is David Shoemaker Dr. David. Leading, fear of the American. Gio who has written. Speech in fact, we're based on his own podcast live in Lima and he is certainly one of the big specialists into the and really Nice Burston and enjoyed chatting with him. We hear more about that in a few moments. Thank you all for coming here again today this week and the episode is called Thelma. Well, just stat. 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Let's get into some using. Now as I said, it is David Shoemaker himself who sent me three musing fouls of his own music and diverse piece that we are going to listen to now is called in space. There might be north. David Shoemaker in space there might be north. Enjoy. Aw. Here. UNDESTOOD Circling Fun. In space stare might be north music play and given to us for this show today by David Shoemaker, and it is, of course, they retrigger who is my guest here today on this show David Shoemaker he's in he's a clinical psychologist in private practice who is specializing in young and cognitive behavioral psychotherapy. But he's also the chancellor and Prollo Huger of the temple. Of Silver Star has been a member of do and student of a since nineteen ninety-three. So he's really one guy who knows who has been very active and he had a very lucky early time because we was. His mentors to speak. He will tell us more about that with not Coltman. Trench Yo too. But his mentor was Sorour morale and those of you who days it's phillies secular who was a very prominent member in the earlier days off do so he didn't became her successor as Mosser of two four, one, eight launch in Sacramento California. He was founding president of the OTIOSE psychology guild. ETC Spectra. So he's really somebody who knows around Yo to he knows his way around. Salim. Main General and very happy to talk to him. He has also run for some time and starting that again as he said and podcast by the name of Living Selima. And he has published. Some of the. Texts that he produced for this. For this show, also in the book called leaving the Lima. `second volume will appear soon. And as I've taken the habits to talk to you always a bit. Read read for you always a bit from a book. Of Our guests I would like to. Take a short excerpt from that book living, Salima by David, and reach to you from the chapter about the true will. I'm sure many of you have some basic familiarity with the term job ill, but just in case I want to define it. He briefly first of all to will in question is the same as the will implied by the word silly self, which is the Greek word for will. This is not the simple wheel of the EGO or the whim of the personality. This is not merely wanting something. Is a deep level of life purpose and the living out of purpose in an individual lifetime and across multiple incarnations. Drew will is the will of the deepest in most self, the core of who you really are as a spiritual being. Also, and importantly is an expression of to universal well as particularized and expressed in your individual life. This is why when we are living in accordance with our true, will we find that much of the time the universe seems to open up a path right in front of us as if in sympathy with our aims. Likewise when we feel as though, we are swimming upstream against life. It's very often the case that we have the air the bit from the pass of outdrew will. or Bab serious leaving a lesson from the Guardian Angel and or universe itself that is helping to not just back onto the past. Gender. Standing of central wheel is dramatically enhanced with the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel but much the ongoing intimacy of the courtship adept with the angel as the moves across degrades of the first order of A. The knowledge of true will unfold in a progressive manner as we peel back the layers of personality to discover what it is at its core. All too often, the drill is rony the conceptualized as a single choice of career or a single talk to be accomplished in life. This is far too restrictive. The True Will Of, yourself. Eating compass you your actions, your thoughts, your feelings, and your behaviors, and it pertains to the way you live moment to moment as well as the entire, your life itself and even beyond one life in other nations. As you can see it is really much much more than a choice of career or a single task to compete. There is often however a great deal of overlap between the drew violette and what one choose to spend. One's time doing in life. So. This is from the chapter. The true will of David Shoemaker spoke living Salim I think a very. Good concentration off what's drew will is and there are many highly interesting very defining articles. In that book, I can highly recommend it and you will find, of course, everything about the book the link to it also indicia notes. Right I think we are now ready to meet David Shoemaker himself. Let's go. Let's meet just remind you that after about half an hour into the show, we are going to be back here to listen to some more music by David. Shoemaker. But now for the time being in Joyti interview with David Shoemaker her. He comes the interview. It is a great for me. Tonight's to have own this guests from the United States of America again because we have been. A lot of European guests lately on the show and I'm happy to be back to America. Happy to meet with. Dr David Shoemaker tonight and I don't think I need to introduce you David. I think most of solicitors here are not only also aware of your great podcast. Living. Salima which actually saved and before I started my podcast was also one of those i. Listen to learn a lot about. So thank you for that. That's good to know. Thank you for having me, and of course, you're not only through that but also through your position, I might say to and North American A. Going to go on all that a little bit now, and it's great to have you. Thank you for joining US tonight. Yes. Absolutely. It's great to be here. So. David. what I always like to know start does interviews is where my guests. Have started with their indio cul de a tax what Cost at the beginning their interest, what was that? Kicked it off so to speak. Also when it was because it's always very different how people started off. So may I ask you where did you start becoming interested in? How did you over the years become the daily shoemaker that you are today at least in the field of the Occult Terry? Well you know. I was I, was raised A fairly. noncommitted. United Methodist and the United States fairly Fire and brimstone kind of religion but pretty mainstream. Protestant. I bring out although a lot of. Folks my family. My mother's side were ministers. Several generation so I had definitely had that. That search background, Christian background. But you know was only nominally committed to that but. Around. High School. You know I was probably. Fourteen fifteen or so I encountered for the first time the work of Carl Young. And this was a bit of a gateway for me ask to. Exploring depth psychology in all its facets and just just getting below the surface of things a bit in terms of symbolic such but didn't really follow up with that too much until I got an. College and decided I was going to pursue psychology as a profession therapy. Profession. And Rian countered young. By this time was essentially. Scientifically focused atheist. As many people. Seem to become. Get Education. and. I. Went into Grad School Graduate School and my doctoral program for clinical psychology and was getting exposed to a lot of the mainstream psychology in schools at that time. Anyway, this was sad nine, hundred ninety. One. The focus was very much on cognitive behavioral therapy and fairly. was certainly not dead psychology. Say. It was not. It was not speaking to my soul as much. My brain eventually, I realize through renewed contact with with the young with Young's work that. I was being called to something that had space in it for more mystery. A theory. Approach to living and approach to understanding the human mind. And part in insoles. That had space for something beyond the quantifiable mainstream psychology is being exposed to so. Basically crafted. With with one of my favorite professors already had this interest in young kind of craft an independent study track alongside. The the main training I was getting so that we can we did the union clubs and dream groups and things like that. It was very rewarding. then. are around not around but exactly nineteen ninety-three. Over the summer I remember. Somehow finding my way to the work of Israel regarding. In particular his I'm sure that the young was the. Link but I've once I found his book the Middle Pillar was reading in there about the interface between. Psychology, specifically cabalistic in union psychology and magic and Crawley's work that really blew the doors open for me. From the asked suspiciously vendor up. Sometimes, just his little bits and does things and the middle the ritual highlighted personals very marshalls actively so to speak. You as a specialist you as professionals in that field and do you think this? Commendable ritual also to people start to discover by that time. To start to discover. Your own work to into the field. A something that she would recommend or is there something that is for more? Advanced students in European foil in in my book living There's a chapter on getting started with the basic magical regimen and what I recommended in there is to have a foundation based on the lesser ritual, a Pentagram and Barasch. Primarily, and once those are in plans, basic meditation and relaxation practices. Once those are in place for a few months The Middle Pillar I think is a nice level from that Kind of turns up the energetic flow a bit in my experience. So yeah, something that. when needed to be an advanced practitioner to do at all but I do like to see people have a basic practice of banishing this. Rash. Okay. Thank you so sorry, interrupted. Houston let's carry on with that. Well. So got to regarding the middle pillar book and. Explanation of. The overlap between cabalistic psychology and union psychology and. His discussion of Crawley's role in modern magic Got Me exploring croly. So that was definitely the the the breaking point in terms of. My magical path. So by by the end of Nineteen ninety-three I was definitely committed fella mine began. That's when I joined the A and not. On the same fall within a month of each other and. Never looked back. Really. I knew I'd it would be my life's work really once I? Once, I'd read middle. Pillar, in realized that. That kind of work was laid out for me and. I started my initiative bath. Okay so it was really you're influence as. One made say or at least as a as a grownup. And you you wear one of those people some say they had experiences, reload age and. Thought there was something out there they also happen to you. It does strike me sometimes when I hear people's stories how much younger they were than I was when they got into it, it's it's very common as you're saying, you know the people are teenagers when they when they start exploring this stuff and I I guess. For. Me Personally I was I was never drawn to that Explicitly as Derek work or work as a teen what I did do this was really my first exposure to any as derek system or practice was I went on a A. Short version of Guitar Craft seminar presented by Robert Feb in West Virginia when he was doing courses there and he's working out of The. Egregious tradition through J G Bennett and so I got exposure to some basic sitting meditation practices and. certainly. opened my mind to To An esoteric approach to life, but it was all filtered through the music and So it was a wild later before i. Actually you know as I was saying. Got, into it explicitly but it was kind of a a moment of my teen years in in terms of open me up to. Pursuits but I never had the you know the Magic or anything. Or experiences are things like that. Yeah. Well, not not as such I. I did the things teenagers usually do. In terms of. MIND EXPANSION But. Didn't. Didn't kick off a practice for me. I see. You were mentioning young several times. Maybe you again as a specialist and professional that field, you can say more about young at the time also, of course in regards to to. Do More. Spiritual. Past, philosophy. Seem to say if I got you well. That This was rather than exemption than back would not be. Told in American. PSYCHOLOGY DEPARTMENTS AT UNIVERSITY I. Wouldn't have been taught in an. Indepth way. Right by. The school's very focused for the most part the mainstream. Dodger burgers. And On Fried or Behavioral. Being. Primarily in. Some extent, you know other approaches like interpersonal therapy on straight up behavioral analysis stuff. But unless you were going to school that really specialized in depth psychology in some way, you're unlikely to get a real. Meaningful exposure to it at that time and. Changed. Has Personal. We don't even have to speak about it and. You get you get a book chapter on that. First Year, and that's the last anyone mentions the word. And tested changed you in the meantime I in professional speaking not for you. Personally only I mean in general and I don't know I would like to think things have broadened a bit in terms of wouldn't people get exposed to, but you'd have to talk to. Students who've come through school or more. Yeah. Okay. So then nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, you seem to remember to momentary clearly because because he's asking who very precise about that moment walser key. A key thing that happened around time to make see remember some clearly or is it just because you know it I I remember the room I was standing in and I remember holding the Middle Pillar Book and Looking at the passages describing the tree of life in psychology and connecting with young and at that moment it struck me I will. This will be my life's work. Great. Joined you end a as you said at the same time, which is starting the leaves. Roger Air at does the same time that's a good question I think. Probably it's the case that people historically have gotten into Te'o or other sort of out of order. I. And rather than than simultaneous, but I've never been one to. To Stop, myself. From doing what interested if he wants something? Yes. Okay. When did you leafy by? The time I was attending graduate school and. Indiana at Indiana. State University had grown up. In Arkansas. Where my father was a philosophy professor at the college, I went to undergraduate school I went to index. and. then. Got Into. My doctoral program at Indiana state, which is in Terre Haute Indiana, which served small very. Non. Progressive Town. But it helps with focus on studies. Let's put it that way and was it easy to find your way into Oto there in Indiana? I would say as easy but this was pre Internet of course so you had to write to. Whatever mailing addresses you could find places did right to the May not oh address. But there were some events being held in Indianapolis by Not Oh? Right. Away. So at the time and that was my that was my gateway there is also but I encountered the side of it through a similar channels that were actively Indiana. So, we can say you have been for thirty, forty, seven or eight years. Thirty seven hundred now I was. I was making it longer no ninety three I'm completely wrong twenty-seven. What I'm talking about I was feeling older I. Just thought Nepal Ninety we my daughter is boring I deceased you be dead. Sorry about. So twenty seven years but. Still quite quite a long time but. You have gone. Along and in dips way into both orders in haven't you. Yes. It's been I. Realize I was twenty how old was? At the time so ninety three, I would have been twenty five. When I got interested in these things when I joined the orders so. I'd had a few years under my belt as an adult, but essentially, it feels like my entire adult life has been. Pursuing this and since for me anyway since the choices to pursue this word choices made in my adulthood, I feel that It served me well in terms of knowing amid about who I was before. I even started. Sometimes. If people are very young, they're they're really just a maturing as a person. And that can sometimes get confusing when they're also trying to do some of the deeper work At a very young age, but in any case. I'd I've devoted my life to whatever forms of service I could bring to both audio and and a and eventually temple this over star which is the order 'em. Administering. What was so special for you about to Crowley Teaching. Lima, let's name it like that. I think that's the way and watch was why was is still so attractive to you and Initially especially, at the time, we may be talking about the prisoner Belanger but has time. What exactly was it? The doctrine. True. Will itself seem to me? To be singularly. Crucial approach to any self understanding this the idea that we. must discover our basic nature and attempt. With as much specificity as possible to live at out. And create a life that is a vessel for a living. I was captured by that idea, and it also dovetailed with the union work in the sense that. Young was interviewed in the. Fifties I think it was about. This post, World War Two and things were. Pretty dark times in the first half of the century, of course and. He was asked if there was any, you know what the greatest hope for humanity was, and he said something along the lines of. That everyone would do their inner work. Individually. and. So the idea that this inner work which could be so collectively healing and evolutionary for the human race. Happens. At the individual level and at the doctrine, true will be a key to that. Those two things together, the union approach and the true will conserve just. Capture me. Would you be willing? I think many many of our listeners here. Of course. No. Detroit. Will and. And basic basic. Approach and cruelly took their but would you be willing to to define for us here you're your view. How you would personally find true will and. How that? Discovery of your inner self. So to speak cow that would be approached and work. Her. The true will is the will of the deepest and most to self. That is Deeper, truer and. More complete than the outer ego personality we tend to carry around in our daily lives and think of themselves for that updated. The true will by contrast is. Our essential nature as a as a human. And when we Can Tap into that and understand it and make choices that honor it. We have an opportunity to live more harmoniously in the world because we are not fighting the current. Of the university that we're we're swimming with it. Wants, us to go where we're trying to go and we want to go where it's carrying us and so there is a. Unity, of purpose. Similarly were being attentive in attending to our own true will to give other people plenty of space to find and accomplish. There's. So. There tends to be less unnecessary conflict. Between people. when there is conflict tends to be at the ego level where people are. Still absorbed in their their personal wants and needs and so on, and that's an important point of definition of wills well that. It's not simply that the the classic croly maximum do what Thou wilt she'll be. The whole law is not. A license to. Just do whatever you want in fact. It's the opposite of that since adhering to the true will as best we can is. Often. Experienced as something that's not as simply giving into a whim, it's so. It requires us to to be tuned in to who we are at a deeper level. It's. It's certainly not do what you want when you want to. Absolutely and I think that's one of the most. Common errors when we speak about croly and Salima. Think. Especially those who have. been. Cliche bad of crowly they think it's about as men is exactly city opposite actually. I actually origination at. About the unity with the universe and also avoiding conflicts and through it and how what way does silly mind. The idea of true will also relate to well how we could call it spiritual activists maybe our. Our world is in the state. And I'm not only talking about I'm talking about. Resource problem and. The problem of many many things right? We know which is being about. What respect is? Law. Searched for to will and. Expression also. Related to spiritual activism. Each of us does the best we can to. Discover a true will and live it out. Then we are by definition bringing the best ourselves to the world. And I think that is. Essentially, what what we each must try to do if we want the world to be a better place if we wanted to assist in evolution of humanity and we want to. influence. Social trends in a way that seems to maximize personal liberty and. Health and wholeness of the planet and the people on it. Than our best bet in my view is. For each of us to to accomplish. Try to live a life in accordance withdrew will. It it's. The idea of who you are and what you do with your life are not two separate things. There inherently unified and when we live that kind of life as as many of us as possible living that kind of life I think that's that's the hope for. For the health of the species. And in your view, is it something that we can only do? As. Individuals in our surroundings because of course. That's the first set because if you change yourself and he will change your next surroundings and that will help to Jill Change. Furhter. But it's also when I say activists, I'm using dench origin purpose. And also to get organized. To. Lift. A universalist but it that way he said. Not, only audio here. I'm just talking about as an individual's might would you would you say this is also part of it or rather not. I think that's That depends on the nature of the individual for some individuals discovery true will may be. Propel them to do something much more introspective because that is their real nature. They might might be a creative person who just needs to focus on their creed medium and that's their way of influencing the world. For others, it may be a more explicitly social thing banding together whether in. A cold organization just generally. To greed social change political change whatever may be. As far as I know I have friends I think you're also musician yourself. Yes. So they've you say a few words about that, and my question is is using making music creating using step for you also part of your spiritual being part of your true will. Probably. Should've mentioned music more when you were asking me how I got into this because. Around the time when it was doing that guitar. Workshop with with Robert Trip I was Music was the way that spirit was speaking to me. I didn't label it that I wouldn't have wanted to think of it that way probably but That was the language that spirit was using speak to me at the time. So it has remained something. The creative act especially. The especially. Improvisation. Is. Indistinguishable from the same to me from the. Same. Kind of truth that we think of when we think of spirit when we think of what? The ultimate. Meaning of things is what the ultimate nature of things is when when a creative is engaged and open to that creative act I believe they are nothing less than a vessel for spirit power. Wish think of it. So for me personally, it's been a touch always for As one way of touching that in myself. That's not to say that I've kept up with music as much as I. Would it's hard to do all the things. That I've done in and do everything as much as I want and. I Don I do keep up with it. I know the feeling and I think it's always a good sign. Would you can you feel overwhelmed bill the things you wanted to do and not? Yes sort what should I do next year's as a whole bunch of things you really want to do and enjoy doing and. As we say good problem to have. I'm curious about music. Tell you why in the second. Play Guitar away in the Andrea Instruments or guitar and keyboard. And I. Sort of in a very mediocre way play percussion instruments. So it was. Banned type of music that you wear where actively producing and. Originally. I had the same dream of most. Musicians who are teenage guys. And girls do you I'm sure. But from my own experience to you know being abandoned being you know rockstar would. That I. quickly left behind and mostly just focused on. Recording home and and. In In a more experimental way. Playing all the instruments, layering things, and that's that's always been when I did have a band. In. The first half of the two thousand called last three lives which we did two albums and but I've done a movie score. and. A number of other. Mostly, instrumental pieces which are all available and. Tunes and elsewhere. So it's always been a sideline. I ask You for two reasons under twenty I also surgery and one reason this I find Roger Common that people who view here. So who are relieved voest into into cultism Zulema and and other types of occult is terrorism are active musicians and I find striking crowd probably the reasons you just gave and personally I also. I also only so to speak started by twenty to become. Actively interested and involved in the field. But I started music very early age and I have to feeding only at the late stage. I became the feeling that that was at a very early stage my way of getting more into A. To Whatever where you want to call it and I don't do. You have made that experience as well but it's it's similar SH-, welder stay since you'll learn later on through. Others. That's right. Yeah. That's a good way of putting into. The. Experience. Of Music and of being. Open to it and channel for it. You know is would was definitely part of my training and even understanding that was possible you know how to be. A channel for something to come through instead of simply Feeling like you have to make something instead of building a building you know you're your. Vessel for something to flow through. A good name. Yeah Has Music you're later practice and a audio ever played an active role earlier or later, but has it ever been issued issue or is some how your personal highlands and? Doesn't touch you. So it be facial. I don't like to work but you. Understand what I mean. Yeah. Well and in a few ways I. I. One of the earliest things I did musically after getting into Lima was to do A. Score for the mass designed to be a recorded piece to play behind the mass. To me, it's essentially unlistenable what I did back then I was in my earliest. Musical. Experimentation days into recording but. Over the years I've often. Been A. At massive I wasn't performing as one of the officers. I might provide a musical accompaniment to it on the Keyboard Guitar and then a few times. And I compose the musical intros to the Lima podcasts so. I. Remember I. Remember when I was still regularly I'm afraid I. Don't have time because. Using so much brucie meal. But I remember that sing yeah. I really enjoyed talking to shoemaker. He's such a nice guy in it's such a calming Experience Talk Dream but very deep content and highly interesting. Thank you for that David. We will return to the talk in humans. But now let's listen to some more music. It's of course again, using by David Shoemaker and his band. So, this second song that we are going to listen to is called memory. David, shoemaker and memory. A. Memory music by and from. David Shoemaker, who is our guest today on this show and? Very. Happy to talk to him about the Lima Yoho, A. N. T. S. personal experiences. Okay and wide. We were doing the interview afterwards. David realized that he had for gotten to tell me something and I'm happy to do that for him now because it's an important information we wanted to talk about Selima. Khan McConnell. It says Lima conference which has taken place of course in person also from time to time. But this symposium onto Lee Mc Magic and mysticism this year given the situation in this world is being. Is taking place why their conference and it takes place. It will take place from October seventeen October eighteen and there is an awful lot of really interesting stuff and very, very interesting speakers David Shoemaker himself, of course but Lon Milo. duquette rated Kozinski of Embraer. Of course, already guests on this show. There's also Andrew Farrell Harper feast and Lauren Gardner and probably under who have not yet. Completely arranged. The information with ways, the Lima Call. In any case symposium is really something you should knock miss and you'll find all the information on Salima conduct work. I will certainly also put information up on this Alzheimer's flipside so that you can find easily. Right not to miss and I'm happy I could catch up after the injury. So. Let's return. Let's return David Shoemaker and the second part of this interview. As always after the second part of into you right away. There will be served piece of music and again debuted shoemakers piece of music and search piece that we will hear will be called twilight. But for now, let's go and meet again ways David Shoemaker. Well, let's go into another field I would like to come back to you and a little bit earlier and go much more into their. Before we go. We have been speaking about beginnings and early stages of your of your work, and maybe it's a moment to talk about the one of the reasons why here today which is the new book that you have been Meeting. With Long Lon Milo. duquette was also really guests on this show strength and. A few months ago and you have. Edited a new book called Complete Book of Remonial Magic, which is quite a quite a volume and. We're. router. Nice Line of names have gathered together we you lawn to to write about different aspects of magic and. I feel it maybe maybe that's not intention, but I feel it's a very good starter book for people are really interested and that's why would like to talk about it. Now, at this moment where we talked about your beginnings so maybe you could talk a little bit more about that intention for that book and how you see it and for what? Audience speak that book was aimed to. Of course. So. Project started a few years ago. When Lawn. Had Been in discussions with llewellyn obligations, which is the publisher this book. to To do something of this magnitude and he asked me. If I wanted to co edit and said, yes, of course that sounds great but it was a couple years after that before we really started on it in earnest because Our whiskey died and so. Projects for his project that llewellyn were were delayed a bit but we came back to it. I. Think it was in twenty eighteen. or so. Maybe, late twenty, seventeen and started in earnest. Getting in touch with the various. Contributors. The idea was to. Make this survey and source book for a variety of western magical traditions. And to have each chapter not just. Written by us as. You know a surface level discussion of the tradition, but to have an expert in that tradition, right then chapter. So that was really the treat of of this for me personally as an editor was seeing so many MAZING, writers and thinkers, and practitioners bring. To the table with what they're already excited about in an expert in and pulling that together was, of course, a major editorial challenge but Gazing over at the table of contents here reminding myself of. All things we went through myself. But very rewarding to turn down I. Think it is. Certainly a good place to start. For an absolute beginner but also. For an interview or advanced the magician who hasn't explored some other facet of tradition and wants to get exposed to for example, there may be a lot of. Della might sue haven't delved indepth into the golden dawn tradition or there might be a lot of gold down magicians who have not touched onto Lima too much or people who don't know much about alchemy but do a lot of other kinds of ceremony ceremonial magic. the cross pollination and the ability to access. Whatever corners of the field you might not be familiar with I think is valuable even for more advanced. Needs a festive. The heavy book Bej really wasn't. Too If, you don't mind David to just two names. Next to you and long because the. Older model is somebody else will be. Mad At me Sam Webster Randall Boe Your David Rankin William Hogg Dr Steven Skinner Markle's cats aren't leaguge. Senator vessels drew John Muggy. Grier David Allen Hulse Brand Brandy. Williams. Sounds like. Mixture of the old guest and my wishlist forty house. I would only cricket on. The way it's listed I think you missed it the goblet chapter with Randall. By Nita craft so. She gets credit about that. Sorry. Thank you for correctly me absolutely no, and sometimes also. Absolutely, right here she is and sometimes I. Realized when news in new well, and then we here in Europe. So that's very interesting. Fringe Bradford we mean to say. And That was of course by far not only book I remember Living Lima, which is also in my in my desk here. Any odder plans Roger Books would like to talk about that. You have published. Sure in two, thousand, sixteen, I released a record of my S- crying of thirty Nokia Nature's called the winds of wisdom and So it has full results of all this crying sessions but also. A working method dodgy presented at the end of the bug to a fairly concise approach to to let people start experimenting if they want to. The book has everything you need in that regard except for images of tablets themselves. and. Alongside all of this over the last twelve years or so been involved with timber this over star doing archival publications. So we. Publish two volumes of Seculars writings or Merrill. collected from across per life and correspondence and and other things like that. We published a book of. Jane Woolf's diaries from her time of Jeff Liu. Beautifully there. We published selected letters from across Carl grammars. Life is another prominent Bella. Follower of. Cruelly. As, some of philosophical poetry and and in terms of my my personal writing, you can expect another volume of living tolima to come out. Probably within the next year. So there are a lot of podcast episodes. Didn't make it into the first book that didn't have time to turn into chapters and I'm continuing to episodes. So yeah, it'll be evocative. You just mentioned Jane Wolfe of course Jeff She. Croly and then Phillies Sigler who else herself noted if I remember well and. For, those who are not so much. Of. Course she was as Sorour Meryl is that. Correct and one of the great figures in India to you. Yes. Time, she died to think about fifteen years ago or two thousand four. Yeah. So that all tells us that you have since ninety three on the. Deep. End Long Pass into the into and. So now you should tell us more about that because once you had gotten into it. What happened next because I? Mean you don't become what you are today and you will tell us your exact title or function. Today What happened that you? there. Well I guess I should. Probably, start with one order at a time I. It's making the audrey linear that way. Not Oh is fairly straightforward I I Progress through the various degrees of the man of Earth Triad as they call it preliminary degrees and in one thousand, nine, hundred, seven moved out to California. and. since I was already working with Romero as as a teacher. I. Got Involved with work fourteen launch votes Yo, which was the local. Body there she had tremendous founding pardon Sacramento Inter eventually yes. She she lived in Oroville California, which is about an hour and a half north of Sacramento and. At the time. Fourteen was. Nominally based on Oroville but once we started having activity in Sacramento The DEFACTO LOCATION OF BECAME SACRAMENTO And So I was assisting her, and then when she died I took over as master fourteen lodge, this was a group that had been founded by Phyllis in Nineteen, seventy nine, and so it already had many years. Going by that time, and at this point still still exists and is essentially one of the oldest continuously operating the Lee Mc organizations of any kind. Going on so I have been heavily involved in fourteen lunch at one capacity or another right up until this past spring when I moved across the country and. Had To. Finally let that go but In the process and not Oh i. Rose to my current level of service is sovereign. Grand Inspector General and Bishop of Ecclesia Oscar Cathal ago. I was the founding president of Psychology Guild vote. and. was. Fairly, central getting the pastoral counseling workshops going to been toured around the US and elsewhere. And Often speaking at the national convention and traveling to local bodies to do talks, and it's been a really lovely journey in terms of getting no members around the world. So you see around the world, you re really not only bound to annul scenario or US but. Beyond debt. From, my membership is in the US Grand Lodge but Five at speaking engagements. Abroad as well as in the US. Yeah. Actually I only found out now only found out. About psychology guilt because of you that time I believe when When when you talked about it in Livingston at some point, and can you tell me more about that because I find that? Very, interesting and fasting approach to psychology within. Selimi. Called Order so what inspired you to that and especially, what does it do? What is the aim of it? The guild, the guilds within not designed to be Sort of a mutual support society for members of each profession In keeping with the nature of the profession whatever may be so When I conceived the psychology gold and and this was probably. Ninety four, ninety, five when I started thinking of the idea it didn't start formerly until two thousand. The idea was, let's gather. Members of the social science professions that are closely related to psychology. So psychology psychiatry social work things like that. And You know when we got together and started contemplating what we could do. The things that. The first thing that seemed obvious would beat a journal of some kind that would collect mostly academically toned writings of. About, psychology and Tolima. but then I was asked by US Grand Lodge to. Develop a pastoral counseling workshop. To present to clergy within the the closing US could hauge and. and an aspiring clergy. So we started doing. A. FOR SPAN of years there it was sometimes as many as four workshops a year in various parts of the US we travel around and and do a weekend. Workshop. trying to deepen. The. Capacity, of clergy aspiring clergy to understand their role within Islamic community and the importance of. You know all the considerations that can go into how to be support, how to bring the best of yourself to a community like that as clergy. Right. I mention. But I have no idea but I would imagine. The. Psychology profession. Large. The shift nations like you just gave it is. Roger well-represented in Salima or race is that just an imagination I might have the the list of membership in the psychology job was always quite large You know not everybody's yeah. Very active necessarily. But it seems like in terms of the potential guilds that could be organized. There was a lot to draw from their to seems that there there's a large overlap and interest. And Life Experience Between Psychology Magic I'm sure I'm sure. But on the other hand as a professional Europe, any goals psychology. Professionally right and is it difficult as an active gingell psychologists? To be a prominent member. Of. A are people not. Coming to. To work with you added. To to to go to your to your practice because you are member up to your job post had happened or. Or is that completely open open from tears so to speak My practice has been Fulford twenty three years. So I know place but people showing up but I'm sure that sometimes especially host Internet Let people, Google, my name and. When the first three pages that pop up are all about my involvement in the maybe they don't they don't call me for to even get started So if someone's going to be really Turned off by that I probably never even hear from them to start with only APP but I've never had anybody. Say that they were. You know. Stopping working with me because of that or or whatever, and of course, I've been practicing in a fairly progressive. California too. So you had no no no negative experience with that occasional crazy sounding phone call. Today I have a personal question because. I myself, I find. I'm necessarily never been part of it, but I'm I've been for four years active in different fields in the cold mostly inspired by seven years of freemasonry then going further and magic. But and the true will and allowed things in Salima have always attracted me. Very. Much. Deplore. Personally often but. Calls probably I haven't really looked for the right answer is you just mentioned clergy and take. Fully car and. The terminology that cruelly gave to certain things is very. Church like and and to me. What I? Maybe grown up in a Catholic country like Austria. I. See as an internal image of a church is exactly the opposite student through will, as I seen, and also as you defined it just ago can you and I'm sure I'm not the only one who who has a problem with that twist question. Could you help people like me in giving an explanation of why he choose to do that and why? I'M WRONG I think the basic response is that we have to. Broaden our conception of what a church can be. Beyond what it has functioned as for a couple of thousand years now, which is generally a. Oppressor Focused on Orthodoxy and control strategies mind yeah exactly. So if you If a church could be. A place that would foster the personal liberty of each individual and even for people who weren't esoteric inclined to let them benefit from. A Community of people are Esoteric inclined to doing the magic. Not An exclusionary way but in a as an offering to the community. So the nonstick mass for people as A. As an esoteric ritual that. Anybody in the world can just come and attend as a as a member of the public is an expression of that but I think the main thing is. Not, letting our preconceptions ORC past experiences of what a church has been. limit what can be and I also am not particularly insistent on at all insistent on anyone having a religious approach to the Lima if someone wanted to take an entirely secular Psychological approach to it or whatever. That's their right to do. So and one of my favorite things about the that there's not that expectation of. Of Belief. required you know what's what's expected is a commitment to the doctrine. Notre will in terms of defining oneself as with all mine. Her medicine to you an important part icily. Murray said at parallel. Parallels. Cool. So to speak Within the occult work. I think. Communism. You could you could. You could say that there are any number of fields that are. Historically are a language that dilemma is built on. You know you you couldn't exclude mathematics or philosophy or psychology. Or? Chemistry or you know there's any number of things that that would. FELINA would be lesser if it weren't for the contribution of those yields. Like human knowledge self, you know. So her medicine is one body of symbolic. Symbolic approach and sort of. A body of. Philosophical That influenced croly and influence the Lima I. Think it's incredibly important in particular. In my work in the temple. The silver. Star which is. Essentially A. Golden Dawn. Descendant that has been patterned after. The cipher manuscripts golden dawn but with the influence of Salima. We are very much steeped in the hermetic in rosicrucians traditions in the. Yet, with everything clearly clearly brought into the league world with overturning sort of all day on Judeo Christian leanings of some of the symbols and such. Right. So. Now, it's going to the a mentioned before that or more Merle who was your mentor as scolding the A and right superior but. I mean. Just lucky or did you just show a special approach street they? Feel became yours bureau. Quite conscious must have been quite. Learn. I. Still Don't fully understand how. Good. I. I was involved in. Her work starting in nineteen ninety-three be another group and. came out to visit her because she lived close to Sacramento, and my my wife at the time had come from Sacramento. So we were visiting my wife's family I went up for a visit with Phyllis. and. FOUND MYSELF SITTING ABOUT A. Nine months into my time as a fellow might sitting on her porch drinking wine with her and having her look over my astrological chart and talk to me about all these historical figures that are were just people she knew. and. By that time of course, you know she'd been involved since nineteen, thirty nine. So we're talking about somebody WHO's essentially the senior most element on the planet course and It was mind blowing I I I don't know why but she she took a liking to me and a really quickly developed into a relationship where where I was clearly rehearsed successor but also we were very good friends and I. I I feel lucky to have lived on earth at the same time. She did much less to be a student. I'm sure. So how did you Pozniak? into before you were just. Talking one after gender. So we kind of talked about. So now up to you to talk about the after often leading count compared. Deepened, D my relationship with Phyllis over the course of but ended up being the last ten years of her life. And would you know we started Working together on a monthly basis magically and forming a group there based in in Oroville that would meet monthly and I would often load up my car with friends from Sacramento and we would go up and she would do a class, and then of course, this was like. Go to the mountaintop and here the the wise woman Tom and everyone's very excited to. Do it and. I. I think I can speak for all that we it was just a real honor to be able to visit with her on those occasions and you know by word progressed according to the way the system is structured you know through the great tasks and under direct supervision and. Getting, tested on everything is you're supposed to be She. died in the spring of two, thousand and four. My father also was dying at the time and and later that year died and so By the industry thousand four, I had gotten to that place in the structure where it's time to do. The big working and At the at the five six level and your retirement and Pursue that. State of attainment called in our tradition, the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel, and so that was A. Obviously a huge typical. Events in my life and my work since then has been enactment of the. Essentially, instructions I received. at that point, including the foundation of the dental this over star and continuing to to work in a as as I seem to be called to do. Right. What would? Wanted drugged you if you if I was just going to add beyond those sort of that sort of skeletal outlined, the work is so You know the tasks published, but the work is so personal. It's sometimes hard to know what to say about it because it's become intrinsically bound up in my entire life There's there's no way I can talk about what I've done in who I am without. that. Reflecting my path a so. I'm just going to add that. We are probably working in different schools seem to have read my mind now because my question that. I want to interrupt you with was just can you say probably you can't. Be Without to Lima nowadays. I think I would obviously still be. And the psychological profession, it'll be a therapist. But. I. Think my level of My ability to to focus myself on to things that are most important for me and to not waste energy and waste time doing things that are not intrinsic to my nature. in other words to true will I think? It I I. IT feels like my life would be. Recognizable but about ninety degrees. To the left he is I would be a little more off track and I wouldn't want that. and of course it, it's been incredibly rewarding to live a life. Working with so many great people as as teachers and colleagues, and students, and I I. Wouldn't trade that for anything. And you mean dead focus would be both professionally and parts of your life to Tokyo found with until the of course. Yeah I. Think I think. The personal choices that grew out of understanding of true will you know would have been much different and probably much less satisfying ineffective. If I had not been on this path. General question many people. Who are interested in in the world of your Colt, is solely to rework versus. Order or group work right, Tint Salima, of course clearly. An order and group that works together. But it's not always easy. especially I don't know the case is at the moment North America is. Easy, everywhere to find not a group or a group if you want but. In Europe your I think it's difficult at the moment. So. Is there. Is Certain alternative that's used suggests for young. WanNa be telling my positive. Make that sorry element. Yes. Exactly, exactly you see that's where we are my English mother tongue. An. Selah. Might and doesn't find the opportunity geographically speaking to to to work in group is theater and it'll turn. I think if you pick up. The limited comeback to that what I was saying earlier about that chapter called getting started with Basic Regiment You know there's a lot of materials like that sort of. Self, Instruction Sofa Nishikori materials in Lima and other traditions That are out there. I think what you lose potentially an let me throw in a caveat here. We can learn from anyone in everyone we encounter in life we don't have to join a school. We don't have to have a formal magical teacher we can learn all the. So by saying about to say I'm not trying to. Undermine that truth in any way. But what you lose when you aren't in a living tradition is the living memory sometimes. Decades and decades old of. A tradition that is truly understand and lived in passed on so that you're not having to reinvent the wheel. At every step. And that's the same rationale for having a teacher who has themselves been trained? Guest episode called finding a teacher finding school, which essentially gets at these points. There's a utility. So I think there's a lot that can be done in a solitary way and. It's valid and important, but I do encourage people to at least consider seeking out of. A. Formal Organization. For the foundations and I can speak to this in the context of what we're actually doing around the world right now. And the groups administering if I may. And the Temple of the Silver Star which again is A golden dawn patterned order. That is that has been reconfigured to be the LAMECK. Living. Order. That has passed through various incarnations in an unbroken way going all the way back to the golden on. So this isn't a situation where. There is there's been unceasing. Community of initiates meeting essentially on a monthly basis for one hundred, twenty years. asked down to us now and so that institutional memory and the richness of tradition is something that wasn't from a book and wasn't from. Somebody you just decided, they're going to start a group you know but was living and his living. So we are. Active in the US across the US and. We have a working initiative group and the UK certainly accessible to anyone in Europe if they can come maybe once a year. So our initiative traditions or are open at what we call an at-large level membership where people can be anywhere in the world as long as they can get to one of our working groups once a year or so. in a we have. An issue, it's ready to accept students around the world as well. So. To sort of non answer, your question the there's a lot. You can do a solitary way, but we offer a lot also in terms of. Ability to people at some distance including some distance webcam instruction for the. Think, of course, the Internet ends available for that was not available fifty years ago and The extent. This is, of course, helpful to at least find your way before you make that set you just mentioned. Out there now absolutely wondering what else is there is, of course, your podcast you mentioned it's times we should. Briefly, also talk about that because once again I really I really earned a lot from you're not justice and pulls costume from content and right and leaving Selima is is a is a fix. Fixed point in the world of. podcasting at what say what inspired into started in where you want to go this was around two, thousand ten and at the time. The speech and the silence podcast was getting started, which is another one that's been around for a bit and. I got involved with those guys right at the outset in conceived of living tolima initially as a segment would appear on the podcast, and so I would do twenty or thirty minutes a month and and get that to them. And the way it Kinda developed as it. I? I had all these Many lectures that were already kind of a twenty or thirty minutes zone that I might be delivering for a local group. Discussion I would have with local students or so on. So all of these components that had a lot to say and had been saying already for years but thought well, I can just. During. This into that episode and and then just kind of went on and on and. I. Kept thinking of. New. Things I wanted to talk about it. I. Got Great suggestions from people about new episodes and so that's that's been. It was most most. Frequently. Appearing between ten and twenty. Fifteen sixteen or so and then I had. Other. Projects I had to focus on and cultivate there for a few years but I've just resume doing much more frequent episodes. So. Where I see that going is continuing to To, challenge myself with talking publicly about some things that interest me and trying to. Find what people want to hear about them I always encouraged suggestions. And I will also, of course, pulled to into the show notes off this show and linked to legally I think it's three three nights in the worst. and. Final question for you. It's a little bit then. Leads to the considering only magic. She, he knew the lost to the piano. That book has a has a fun name and I'm. Older the name of that of that little says diffuser in the says futures remonial magic, and my question was about the future of Salima to you. Of course, there's wherein the narrator as you in the case says out to explore a future conference despair and emerges with hope by likes to title of that chapter. But so what is there about the future of Lima that might confront this despair sometimes, but will always emerge with WHO? I think there's a lot to the flaming movement that is. Not as essential as people think some of the trappings of ritual magic. Even Organizational Leagues Instance of Organizations Supporting It, I think what is the point of hope for me is that? The individual path is never going to go away the the intent and passionate of each individual to. Discovering live out the true will even if in future generations, no one's heard the term Salima. I think. If we get people doing this work. For Liz alive and vibrant and and is actually the way the world works regardless of whether anyone's crow layer uses the term selena. So. Bizarrely to hope for the Lima's that. Doesn't have to be called better known as that to be itself and to work for people that like magic without one zero, right? Right. Right right. Well David. Thank you so much. was three great to have you here tonight tweet us and Really enjoyed and you. Open to a lot of knowledge again as you always do to those people who listening thanks for that and. I appeared in better time either and. Would job all your projects are going to flourish and and come to what used to be absolutely. Thank you. Thank you if I may just. Shout out to the websites where people can find me if they want to. Thirty or the organization that's absolutely for. A the site is one star incite dot org. and. For the Temple of the Silver Star it has. The initials T. O., T. S.. Dot Org. And for those whom he didn't have a pin now, we will have to indicia announce, of course. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. bye-bye. Twilight that was third piece by David Shoemaker who also offered us not only in really really interesting interview for this episode but also three pieces of music performed and created by him. Thank you so much David for being with us here today it was lovely to have you and I'm sure all the audience enjoy it and we are looking forward to hear more. From you Franck. Salima in the future on this show. Right Well, this was this week's episode number six and episode number six of season five. Thank you for being with us here today. Worth lovely to have you and hope to have you back again next week. Kent. Well, you're going to ask me now already of course, what's up next week and rightly. So next week, we have another really really lovely interview with Young Lady I. Think she must be the youngest invited person on this show ever so far. Is Georgia funded alter? Those of you who are looking around on the Internet without who are interested in New People, new voices, new faces off the occult world have certainly already come across Georgia. She's a highly interesting practicing cult this but also. Candid for PhD. In. The field of research around Diane Fortune, though India called field something quite. New. WORLD WE'VE HAD Henry Book Done In Our last show in episode five and he is an academic of course but he's already a professor in that field and this time we have somebody who will soon be. At PhD in the field and She Georgia has had love to talk with me. I really enjoyed talking to her and you should all be looking forward too much to this next week's interview. Though break this week I promise it'll be next. Sunday August twenty six. Once again. Thank you for being with me here today it was lovely to have you as an audience. It's always a pleasure to bruce that podcast for you and to have you with me and for now I can only say. Take care. 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It's the devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery uncovered the inquiry and the president abused Hauer and violated his oath by threatening to withhold military aid and a White House meeting in exchange for an investigation into his political rival on a clear attempt to the president himself. The advantage in the twenty twenty election so not quid pro quo bribery and I. I thought Jeffrey Toobin had a good line on CNN. This morning he said this is a smart tactical move for Democrats because guess what. The American voter does not speak Latin by and enlarge so moving from quid. Pro Quo to bribery. Feels like something. That's going to be much more sellable to the American in public and bribery. I believe one of the technical distinctions is that it's actually a mentioned by name in the Constitution. Is that right Chris. Am I saying that I think thinks oh And the they're actually like it's not this isn't hypothetical act of dereliction of duty or vaguely treasonous. Act this is something that it's actually mentioned action by name and so the accusation especially coming from I think Pelosi is pretty significant right. I mean that that she would After you know much seeming deliberation Be Fully Sir leading the charge on this. Yeah this is the same person who didn't really want to start started impeachment inquiry at all at one point right now she sort of leaning into the framing of the of the charges which was interesting. The first day of hearings David on Wednesday featured William Taylor diplomat and George can't from the State Department who is notable for wearing a bow tie. I read some of the bowtie coverage. It should no longer be allowed in a news article to use as a data point. The George Kent Bowtie got its own twitter account like that that that's like an an eight years ago data point. Yeah like everything got its own twitter account like it didn't win. It's like when the college football writers for ten years would use. Hey there's is a website that exists that wants to fire this coach. You know that's like we're saying we should fire the best for every coach. We we got you know. It's not not not notable anymore. I really like Merkley Arkley befits piece of New York Times the way. He kind of summed up the first day. Let me quote from and he says this collision was probably inevitable from the second. The forty fifth president took his hand off the Bible in January twenty seventeen. It was a clash between trump Washington and Old Washington disruptor in the end the disrupted the bull and the China China shop. The city is filled with bill. Taylor types they are steady and unsung and proud to order their service by the number of administrations of both parties they served in what he's talking about is trump's whole administration has been essentially him. You know sort of doing everything he can not to actually the drain the swamp but to sort of change the swamp. Yeah right exactly rubbed the swamps knows in in in in you know in everything he can and when you see those guys come up yesterday. How sort of Dorky? They look how official they look. How you know very important is to somebody like tailored to say I am not here as the Democrats Star witness to take down trump? I am merely early here to say everything that I know that is in a nutshell. Is it not one story of the trump administration. Yeah absolutely although. I think that that's the question that's Kind of strangely at the crux of the whole investigation investigation The whole impeachment Investigations going on right now which is to say that like. I think trump would be happy for us all to believe that this the confrontation was inevitable right. I mean that's his defense is almost that I mean. At least the way that he puts it forward on twitter is that the is that this is is the swamp coming to get him. Yep after he's tried to do to drain it and I don't think that I don't think that those things are mutually exclusive. But I do think that it's worth you know clarifying repeatedly as as someone like leave. Which makes you know? It's a smart point such as that that like there are there are other trump's in the world that would not that would not have put themselves in the position of getting impeached right. I mean if there's a lot of there's a lot of loud I mean if our if we're dealing with like president can't even think of someone who's I mean Mike Bloomberg I was Gonna say but he was obviously EMC's worked in public office before. But if you put like the president you know Karl can was sitting there. I'm not sure that he would have been like trying to bribe the president. The president elect of Ukraine. I mean the the these things. Things are not necessarily dependent on one another But yeah okay I mean in some ways I see I see the inevitability said trump trump's happy for us to see that well and it's you know we we've sort of resisted you know you don't you only wanNA use the terms like deep state and swamp with giant air quotes around them and you know an an obviously not into trump's ludicrous idea that these people are trying to take him down but the frame the frame slightly altered is correct. The longtime very official bill Denizens of Washington were trying to stop Donald Trump. That is what they were doing. You were trying to stop Donald Trump from going to the president of Ukraine Crane and saying. Please investigate my political opponents that alarmed them the intervened many of them intervened or tried to intervene and now they are going out in public doc and testifying against the President United States. That is what's happening. That frame is correct so that you know that it's it's funny because sometimes is I think trump skunks up something like that we go. We don't want to even go near there. We don't don't don't indulge the president by by using his frame but actually that framing is pretty right and that's what these people were doing on Wednesday. I agree but at the same time this is like saying you know. There are certainly examples as of overzealous referees in Pro Sports but not every game should be framed as the players versus the rest just because the rents are calling penalties on them right. But this started because I whistle blower filed a report. Right this is why we are here. you know this this particular right it. You shouldn't turning it to are the referees. He's crooked or not or good or not again. It seems like it'd benefits trump. But this is this is why we're here it's true. Is that the whistle blower intervene. This is kind of been the control plus V V. Think peace over the last couple of weeks about impeachment hearings. But but I think we should sort of indulges a little bit. Which is is the American does the American in public in the age of streaming in the age of the Mandal Laurean and everything else? How many people are really going to pay attention to this or probably a better question is as I re write myself here in? What way are they going to consume the impeachment hearings It's a good good question Ma'am sure I'd be interested to see the ratings because I'm sure a lot of people are going to be watching them via the live broadcast on either major your news networks or also like the New York Times homepage which was streaming it yesterday And today I believe with the but the But yeah I mean yeah. I think that some people will watch but this is certainly not going to get the attention that the you know it it it would have gotten the previous generation is that I mean. Is that the question. Yeah yeah so I think we can. We can scrub way that it's not going to be like watching the gavel to gavel coverage on PBS like it was for Nixon. It's not even I don't think going to be like I'm watching court. TV All day like we did during the OJ. Trial something like that certainly not but it is. We're GONNA consume it in way just as much but we're going to consume it through twitter clips you know as you say maybe like you're at the gym and you watch a few minutes of it. You consume through you. Know The buzzfeed impeachment podcast through the daily and I just wonder. Is there anything that changes about the hearings themselves when they're filtered through one hundred things like that in our new media environment. Well hello yes I mean absolutely It I mean there's definitely going to be some distortion I mean when you have like dudes like and and and far be it for me to single somebody out but he had dudes like John Solomon. Who's kind of the reason that we're here right? Now is the reporter who sort of fed trump trump this weird Ukraine story to begin with by the way you are always welcome to sink allow John Salomon on and wrote about in the hill. But he's out there like live tweeting so like the testimony testimony and just like pretend like announcing bombshell like nonexistent bombshells that support trump as their a- as people testimony. I mean as people are testifying I mean that's just one small example that was like lingering on the other day of like like yes. There's like six utter disinformation out there in the world but I think even just the more straightforward straightforward stuff like. Yeah I think that yes. There are just for every I mean for for all the people that aren't watching you know watching the the testimony live or aren't even watching the nightly news like they would have during the Nixon years or during another administration. There's a lot of people who who are kind of passive subscribers to the daily League in such podcasts. That are getting you know. Now the information on this every single day If like you said the impeachment podcasts out there Rudy Giuliani's lianis out there. You're threatening to start an impeachment podcast which the world desperately needs But yeah I mean everybody's coming every I guess there's there's a point of view on everything you know. The smart will adjusted listeners. Owners of of the press box Are Getting some sort of some sort of spin fed to them. I'm sure I think if we went back and looked at those seventies newspapers totally. You're totally right. We would we would agree that the kind of analysis you're hearing now if you're not watching Fox News or relying solely on John Salomon's twitter feed is just on balance way better and way more sophisticated and bridges and there and there's just more of it you know as opposed to again in your local newspaper one or two stories. I was love when people talk. Talk about everybody sitting down to watch the Nixon hearings People did go to work during the seventies right and it was kinda harder to watch. TV on ballots ballots during the seventies. Right because you seem like a TV set with with with bunny ears. So it's like everybody remembers us. Oh man remember when we get all we'll watch world series day games together. During the week we could during the seventies that was happening. We're just off work with did did do other things Ray To Readers David David Joaquin Nagel and James Directors to one of the funnier parts of yesterday's testimony. which was we all learned that maybe were pronouncing the city of in Kiev incorrectly? Yes it is not according to the very straightforward straight arrows. We were hearing from Kiev. Have it's Keiv Tiv. Yeah that was news to me I think just about I think all three cable networks at some point had feature people throwing after hands right after the first batch of testimonies saying like Kiev Cavo. I duNno I duNno. Just forget it. Yeah somebody who's like that's like always loved the great I can't I believe we've been wrong. Our lives moment that's What's his this is it? I mean we're we're this is America. We pronounce like every foreign nation wrong. We pronounce that we pronounce the names of every nation in certainly most capitals just utterly incorrectly. Because we historically don't care what other people say. Yeah what's the God what's the Middle Eastern country. Oh Cutter Right. Remember when we all learned how to cut her hotter at the same time I guess it was kind of one of those moments. Another big issue yesterday for twitter. What does Bill Taylor's voice sound like listener? Don Steele writes instance. Lots of jokes out there. But Taylor's fantastic Game Show Voice. The game show voiceover guys sports announcer pharmaceutical ad reader. Or what. Let's listen David Bill Taylor and maybe we can narrow it down German. I'm appearing today at the committee's request to provide my perspective on the events. That are the subject of the committee's inquiry. I want to emphasize at the outset that while I am aware that the committee has requested my testimony as part of impeachment proceedings. I am not here to take one side or the other or to advocate for any particular outcome of these proceedings. My sole purpose is to provide facts as I know them about the incidents incidents in question as well as my views about the strategic importance of Ukraine to the United States. Let's start the bidding David with the stage manager during the play our town and Can we go. We go from there. Who would that delivery remind you of? We gotTA gotTa get him in the first thing. That run to my mind was like NFL films. I guess John for Senator Johnson Send I would love to get him in the studio not not John But Don but bill Taylor just to have him read funny things he can he. Can he be the guy saying like welcome to the ringer. PODCAST network good for. I would just love to hear him Taylor. Yeah Buffalo. Lost this game in San Diego but like the setting sun the bills will rise again it. It was right on the line between newscaster. Who is really big? When we were kids and children's Saturday morning show Kabiru Bruce style host? Who was big when we were kids? who's maybe right at the end of their run. When you and I came of age mid eighties absolutely 'cause it was something just kind of avant killer about the delivery? I don't know introduce him to Ken Burns if he doesn't know marketings. ECB He can put put put a faint violin behind him. I'm in this guy could just tell you about any point in history. and he's a ringer. podcast I work and skin burns documentary. That's incredible one more thing before we go springing this on you but one of the big Th that the one of the big surprises or something. That was kind of position as a surprise yesterday was the appearance on. MSNBC is of George Conway. Oh have you seen any of this. Yes I flipped over and was not immediately aware that he had never been on the network before whatever that this was like such a huge unveiling we've seen so much of him or heard so so much from him. His presence is is his presence. Certainly I mean is has been a consistent Kellyanne Conway was I was came out and I think said it was embarrassing. Using after the fact I don't know. Do you think this is a meaningful at all I mean George Conway in what way for meaningful for our absolute entertainment. You think the I mean George Conway sort of constantly held up in the media as this totem as this like if maybe if no one else can convince these people the white the husband of a White House employees will be able to do it. He's he's the he's the you know he's he's he's like an Avatar for disaffected Republicans in a certain way mostly because of his obviously because of his relationship it also is his outspokenness on twitter. Is there anything George Comic possibly say convince anybody at this point I guess also is like is that is his status in the media just totally superficial or is it. Do you think I mean if it weren't for George Conway there'd be another George Continent near the media would create a George Conway but is do you think he's important any of it. Well he is the true deep state is he not married to Kellyanne Conway Away Right. It's an act of conscious that he comes out on twitter. And everything else I I you know. I don't know it's like I think this back yet. I've said it types it ah never-trumpers have got to be the single. Most overrated class of pundits. George Conway may be the exception to the rule would it. What is George Conway next? Act You know. Do we get a George Conway Book. That's like anti blurb by Kellyanne Conway this is this is embarrassing. Be Right this oh my gosh. Yeah Yeah I have no idea. I mean certainly he I mean he has his you know. He'll probably emerge post trump presidency with relatively Relatively healthy reputation and But I have no idea. I have no idea that this is going to. He's going to be like the new Jim. James Carville is at the idea that he would he and Kellyanne are GonNa be out there like doing like the husband and wife we disagree. But Oh yeah opposites attract show like Carville. Mary Matlin yes no no I think I almost said I think that's that's right. I do think that's right and I did love yesterday when he was when she was on with Wolf Blitzer Blitzer played a clip of George Conway and Kellyanne said why it. Why are we doing this and he said well? He's a legal scholar. He Ju- he happens to be married to you. Kellyanne Conway's response was. He happens to be married to me. That's bizarre. She's she's like she's now challenging like Wolf Word for word on how he presents A. He's a legal scholar. David all right time with overworked twitter joke joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Send your nominees to add the press. Box pod where they are always gratefully received news from the firmament David from the heavens a CNN tweet reads the Milky Way's black hole kicked a star out of our galaxy milkyway's black hole kicked a star out of our galaxy. It was an overweight twitter joke to write cancelled. Culture is out of control. We have one of these every week but I keep reading them because they always make me smile. Lyle thanks to Scott Tobias for that in international news David last Friday. A tweet noted that quote. Japan's Mount Suker Jima Volcano. Yeah no shots smoke and ash into the sky in its biggest eruption in more than three years and then there is an accompanying photo. That is a giant pink cloud looming over. The country was overweight. Twitter job to right. Japan is having a girl. Thanks to Derek Byrne I include that because Jim Cunningham our producers absolutely absolutely obsessed with gender reveal stunts the the death of us all death of assault. Finally David Get a Lotta this headline from CNN. which teased earlier with public? Hearing set to begin get an impeachment. Rudy Giuliani considers launching an impeachment podcast. Everyone just got into the layup line at that point. and Are you ready for some possible. Titles for Rudy Giuliani's impeachment. podcast wait wait. Don't jail me this. Ukrainian life W T F with Rudy. Giuliani us. A loved one This'll be a quote a hypothetical quote from the Rudy. Giuliani podcast. I I don't know how Pelosi Sleeps at night attacking President like this and speaking of sleeping at nights sleeping at night. If you're not sleeping well. It might be time to try a tempur-pedic mattress grade a thanks to Derek Burke against got bias again Julia Row Don Steele Jeremiah. Ramirez and jumped six few named Rudy's impeachment podcast but forgot to suggest crooked media media congrats. You made the over twitter joke of the week. All right David Time for the notebook dump and let us begin with the student newspaper. kerfuffle that gripped donation or at least elite journalists twitter last week on November fifth the former Attorney General Jeff sessions spoke at northwestern university at an event that was protested it by students. The university student run paper. The northwestern daily initially covered the event fairly standard way and they were criticized afterward by protesters for posting hosting photographs on social media of the protesters and using these school directory to get phone numbers to attempt to contact them on November tenth daily published a column apologizing sizing for its reporting having deleted the photos and retracting the names of sources then came the takes from national reporters who generally argued the daily hadn't hadn't done. Its duty when it apologize. Here's Glenn Kessler writer of The Washington Post Fact Checker newsletter. How is it possible that a newspaper? It was allegedly atop journalism. School would apologize is with the basis of reporting this is a travesty in an embarrassment for Matt Pierce the La Times. I don't doubt the sincerity of these student journalists but I worry that if journalists keeps ceding ground around on when is acceptable to do basic reporting. We eventually play into the hands of powerful interests. Who would love to criminalize journalism and on and on and on Till we get to Barry Weiss imagine that apologizing for the sin of committing journalism. This is chilling and assign of more to come but Russ's noteworthy. We're the unhelpful. Comments this from Wesley Lowery. The Washington Post talking about trade clause in the editor of the daily who is only the third black IAE in one hundred and thirty five years one hundred thirty. If I plus years the paper's existence lory rights only one of the black students in history to hold hold his position student. Journalists who make incorrect decision based on sincere desire not the harm marginalized campus group has publicly decried by industries most powerful PAREN- white journalists definitely a lesson to be learned there. What what were your initial thoughts on daily Gates or whatever we're calling the northwestern situation I was so confused by it. I well I think the the the proper The proper additional take. Yes We we were. We were discussing it in the in the Brooklyn Ringer Office earlier today and our East Coast chief. John Equality I think had the best response las which is this is a perfect 2019 kerfluffle. Everybody comes out looking bed. it's a IT'S A it's A. It's a weird situation and A not I kind of understand the pressures that everybody's under but at the same time it just seems like you know it's okay located it's it's it's okay I mean especially from a journalistic outpost regardless of you know being a college thing whatever else it just seems like it's okay okay to ignore. Maybe we all just agreed out to ignore some some outrage at least give a chance to breathe before reacted really quickly. We wouldn't find ourselves in such situations. I don't know what was what was your take no. Well that's that's take number one as you can wait ten minutes or you can wait a day. You too have a take on the North Western student newspaper. If you're like a big report at the time the post it's it's okay just to take a breath and and maybe and maybe learn more more or think about a little bit before you go in on the students I I wrote a piece. I look this up. And he was in two thousand and five It was about a slightly similar incident. But it was the same Jonah which is something weird or potentially embarrassing happens at a college newspaper and everyone everyone reads it and my take then and now about this is that college. Journalists should be allowed to fail in private more or less like. Unless it's something that put somebody in danger. Yeah or or you know commits a crime. What we could? We could imagine some possible exceptions but the whole point of a college newspaper. is you succeeding and failing without everybody outside the school reading it right. That's the whole point. It's a it's a place to learn and it's a training ground so many you can't expect to be yeah. It's a training ground to make mistakes and to experience hands all these things that you're gonNA experience as a real journalist and they're they're my air quotes right there you get you get to get your first pass at him. Guess what when when you become a real journalist and you call people up. They're going to be like. Why do you think this is a story? This isn't a story which is what some of those protesters at northwestern doing. That's exact that same thing you're going to get to deal with that again. You're going to deal get to deal with people calling up and saying that story you wrote was so shitty and you had no right to do that and that was just in such poor taste. You're you're going to get that for the rest of your life. You should be able to get it in college without having everyone weigh in on every decision every word you yeah right. Yeah I mean it's all in who I guess was recently running college publication as a reason the Internet area college journalist in the Internet Internet era. Like I wrote like a lot of stupid stuff. I like got a lot of complaints and it stressed me out. I felt like it. You know the whole world was collapsing and it was very important and I probably made like you know editorial decisions that I would not make now but I understand why the editors of like the northwestern paper would make this mistake like I get it like your kid. You're still learning how this is all supposed to go and I think everyone being like. Oh yeah this is like a display of our eroding norms and know about way that journalism is degrading. It's like no sometimes just kids mess up. It's fine that they mess up and I it's it's wild to me how everyone came out of this looking bad except for the dean of the school. WHO's dislike you? Had the kids must up but also their kids but seems like it should be pretty obvious. Charles whittaker right is the Dean J. School there go ahead sir. He had A. He released a statement two days after basically being like protesters like maybe give the journal break. Hey national media also give the journalists break break They tried their best and Another some input that I got from another journalist about my age she was at Syracuse. Recently and and so the the daily also northwestern is financially independent from the university. Ed's I think a lot of the papers that are independent. Really really take a lot of pride in not being attached to the school. Not Being attached to the administration you know cues from the outside and this is probably a situation. Where if you at least talk to your faculty adviser or somebody with a bit like who probably don't see it with as much tunnel vision? They might be able to give you some help but in this case I guess that didn't happen. Yeah and and that you know and it's okay right it's not the it's not the end of reporting as we know it it really want and you know what a lot of these the these the kids who were on that paper who decide to get into this godforsaken profession. They're they're gonNA learn new stuff from day one of their new of their jobs that that's what happens. They're going to be ready for this next time. Does this is good. It's it's wild. It's wild to me. Also that just. Everyone didn't think this immediately like that. All the people who should have the perspective. You've weren't like viewing this as the end of the world like I would have when I was in college. Yeah I mean I just remember that everything in a college newspaper seemed totally a buck. Elliptic fraternity hazing seemed apocalyptic. Some something that the administration did which I couldn't even I could you. Could you give me two years to try and remember now that I'm sure I wrote some outrage editorial about I have no just no memory what. It was Parking spaces you know. Just like some protest. On everything thing was apocalyptic and by the way the daily Texan right where I served my very Please don't go back and find the the editorials tenure we we did the we did like staff editorial and then at the bottom was a reproduction of our signature. That got to everyone so I wrote like four hundred words and then there was my my name signed nine below it like I was one of the founding fathers or something we talk about pretentious. Here's my it's not just a signed editorial literally a signed signed editorial like here's my autograph. I just I mean I'm so glad and this was back in mostly in the newspaper. The actual analog paper era. I'm I'm so glad that was not being read by national journalists. I can't imagine I'm sure that whoever put your signature down there ever decide on that was really just like they got the new edition of Dobie page maker and they were just really feeling they're CNN by favorite part of being a college journalist is. I'm sure Chris I had this experience too. I heard a quote from Frederick Jackson. Turner Glass Right. And then I started an editorial in in the paper with the quote from Frederickson Turner and the only question was how many seconds elapsed between me hearing that in like government. One O two to me putting it into the paper. I was so excited to show off that I knew something and that I could begin with a little. You know little classical ethical quotation there to really cause. I'm sure you know somebody reading it between sophomore year and junior really give a shit about fruit Frederick Jackson Turner thought I mean it was just. It was just incredible. It was just incredible to me. This is pretty simple. It's just buzz off. Go Away and and and let the let these people sort it out themselves and they will. By the way they'll they'll figure it out the be. They'll be more additions of the daily right. It's not it's not going to be. They can't be canceled. I don't think uh-huh don't don't worry it'll be fine. It'll be okay department David of the journalistic goto phrase of the week This is one of my favorites efforts of all time. E weather in student newspapers adult newspapers usually does occur in newspapers. It actually got into the ringer this week. And Allison Herman's excellent piece on Disney. Plus she wrote about the increasingly increasingly blurry line between children's and adults entertainment increasingly blurry. Line is one of my all time favorites and if you start looking for increasingly singley blurry lines as you read your favorite website you will have a feast of Fund David. Can I give you some increasingly blurry lines. I found as I was preparing this podcast please. So you'll read a lot these days about the increasingly blurry line that separates TV and movies. If you read a piece about our old Pal Darren rebel. You might see a reference to to the increasingly blurry line between being journalist an influencer there is an increasingly blurry line between ugly and Gorgeous Christmas sweaters a twenty twenty Goto to increasingly blurry line between candidates and super pacs or is the Washington Post notes and attacking Donald Trump overseas joe biden crossed and increasingly blurry. Line there is also an increasingly blurry line between big data and big brother between journalism and IP creation between cities and suburbs between mix tapes and albums. Sometimes you didn't even know. There was an existing line that could be increasingly blurred for example the increasingly blurry line between brew pubs and Breweries. I in those different really. I didn't know until I was the line had actually been blurred. Everybody loves the increasingly blurry. Line between fact and fiction between between news and opinion between the real and unreal between authenticity and honesty. I read about the increasingly blurry line between movies and video games regarding regarding something like about the band snatch. I have no idea what that is. Is that a black mare thing. I don't know what it is. This is my favorite. Though a national labor relations board the story right literally the most boring possible thing in the world. The increasingly blurry line between protected employees activity lies and disloyalty in statements third parties. Now raise your hand if you if you thought there was a clear. Line between those categories binning only increasingly blurred increasingly blurred. Look forward as you read. Trust me you send them to make because we'll read them here on the podcast gallow listener mail for you David. This is from Jason McKenzie. I love this. I love this tweet. Are you guys doing a bit with the different Geo media pronunciations and the deadspin segments. So I I think I say Geo Media and you say go media. I thought it was the other way around. I thought I was saying. Go until I heard you go. And I assumed I was wrong. I think it's Geo media to answer. Jason we're not doing a bit. We're just we're just get confused. So thank you for that. Our our friend Chad Orville. David says I'm really enjoying the new recurring segment on the press box. pod David Shoemaker tries to find an alternative way to say. I think that's right. I've I've noticed I've noticed that myself. You get right up to the finish line. You're like I think that's largely correct this some things you realize you say and you can just come out of your calculator then. There's some things that you realize that you would depend on so intrinsically that you can't eliminate them so so you just have to find other ways to do accomplish the same thing but yeah it's a it's D- I'll do better guys. I think there's an increasingly blurry line between I think that's right. And whatever or else David says whenever he gets to that point it is correct. All right time for David Shoemaker guesses a strain punt headline We go thank. You needed. David's ascent there Tuesday's headline about the movie. The Irishman was a Hoffa. You can't refuse and I didn't get any better ones than that in in our Twitter feed which shows you how how perfect that is a Hoffa you can't refuse. Today's punt headline comes from Jim Vanfleet. It's a tragic story story from the site. The takeout it turns out that chucky cheese the restaurant chain is undergoing a massive nationwide overhaul and part of that overhaul is is getting rid of the beloved any Metron ick house band including lead singer. Chuck E. Cheese himself. You know the East answer entertainment there. We go see Charles Entertainment Cheese. By the way I did not know the name of this guys know the name of the band. The Showtime Ono The Rock afire explosion blows the fire. Explosion was the other one. This is That's from show Biz. Yeah oh I know this what is it it is the munches make believe band. It's just not true. Munches make believe me okay. Have you seen the rocket fire explosion. documentary is really good by the way hasn't seen the behind the music. The Rockefeller I'm serious documentary. But the rock afire EXP- some guy trying to recreate it. Don't even remember. It's it's fantastic. We go on. We important things to discuss. I'm GonNa give you a hint. It here I want you to think of a line that companies death in Shakespeare as you try to guess. What is the takeouts strained Wind Pun Headline Shuki or not tricky? No Pretty good A death perhaps. It doesn't Hamlet. Yeah what is it though parting is such sweet sorrow then no no Good night What is it good night good? I didn't I didn't sit in freshman drama with you'd have it. Forget this David. He's he's holy sweet brands. Is that what it is we gotta get a pundit up guys remember. There's members a mouse heading up this band tonight. Maybe a sound mouse makes good night. Squeak prints. Good night's squeak friends. It's absolutely horrific. That's why I wanted to do it. Good night's squeak. Prince ads leading farewell. Too much is make believe ban. What were they already forget? It was it much as much as make believe band. Tonight squeak sprints he is David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis Research by. Chris made it production magic by Jim. Getting we're back Tuesday bright early but more lukewarm. Takes about the media's see then David the later Brian David was notable for wearing a bow tie. How many people are really going to pay attention to this or probably a better question is as I rewrite myself here? In what way are they going to consume. The bowtie could question of those different no delays and uh-huh be interesting to see the ratings and a lot of people are going to be watching them. I don't know what what was. What was your take clash between ugly and gorgeous talk about pretentious now? Raise your hand if you if you thought they dorky. I think that's the question. It's kind of strangely. The crux of the the whole. No no no I don't know. Do you think this is meaningful at all for are meaningful for our after that opposites attract show. I mean it was just. It was just incredible. Just incredible to me. This is pretty simple. It's just you're going to get that for the rest of your life Guess what we disagree away and uh-huh off it's not good pro quo. The Democrats are trying to reveal. Its it's nice squeak friends absolutely horrific Yup

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Mary Trumps Book, That Harpers Letter, and Listener Mail

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Mary Trumps Book, That Harpers Letter, and Listener Mail

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You've got the press box Bryan Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here. We got a lot of stuff for you today. We'll talk about that letter in Harper's magazine that was signed by everyone from JK, rolling to Matthew Iglesias. What brought these people together at what was the point in Listener Mail? We address the urgent question that the New York Times just reuse the heavyweight champion of celebrity profile headlines All that plus David shoemaker guesses the strain, pun headline and the overwork twitter joke of the week but David. Let's start with the new book by Mary Trump. She is the niece of Donald, trump, and herself a clinical psychologist. Her book is called too much and never enough. How my family created the world's most dangerous man. David I'd have to know what your favorite accusation from the book is so far number one trump paid a stand in to take the sat for him or number. Two trump gave Mary trump a food basket. I guess re gifted hurry food basket. In which the caviar had been removed. Those things where you get like caviar and crackers now that I've ever gotten that my life, but the caviar was gone. Listen I. I know that you know dogging. THE PRESIDENT FOR IS A. Lack I mean for for doing something like having someone else. Take the sat for any any bad grades or whatever conniving. He did it took to get him into college. I know that's all fun. And especially you know in a world where he spent years dogging our previous president for the with similar accusations I get the joy of that, but there is a sort of old fashioned scam penis to getting someone to take the sat for you. That I, can I don't know if appreciate is the right word, but like you know there's. Sort of wistful memory of the days when you could do that without the fear of like public recrimination, and and potentially losing you know your career and everything else that would follow I think the caviar thing is much more to the point of like who this man is as a as a in the psychological profile, and and so I'm Gonna I'm GonNa lean on that one. Absolutely some ever gave me the pepperidge farm basket the Christmas. And remove the cheese and the Salami I'd be fist a Harry and David shows up with one pair and a bunch of empty holes. Were there other ones were? That would be terrible I'm going to the press to. We should say that this book is less about the trump White House as John Bolton's tell all, and some of the other ones have been then about the trump family backstory, which feels straight out of succession. Mary Trump's grandfather? Donald Trump's father was fred trump mary. Trump says her grand was a sociopath. That's her word. He Made Fun of her dad. Who Was Fred Junior and then donald joined in. That's where Donald. Trump became the insult comic. We know today. A Frankenstein's Monster Mary trump writes Mary trump's dad. Fred dies relatively young and when Fred senior, the grandfather dies in Nineteen, ninety nine. She finds out that she and her brother have been cut out of the will. Then things got really ugly. One point. Mary was called a bad granddaughter. in some of the testimony in court depositions that followed because she wore a baggy sweater around her grandfather. That is a true detail. AASA, David remember the blockbuster trump financial investigation, the New York Times two years ago. Yeah, turns out Mary Trump was the source for that. Yeah, also fascinating, Suzanne Craig WHO's one of the Times reporters who broke that amazing story showed up Mary, Trump's house. She did not want to talk but Suzanne Craig left a business card Some time goes by Mary. Trump changes her mind and she winds up giving nineteen boxes of documents. To The New York Times reporters in her driveway round. Just pretty incredible got a couple questions for you about all this stuff as a veteran of the book publishing industry. Would you make the rollout of this book? Where seemingly every big ticket? Political writer on the planet woke up in the morning and instead just found an interesting book outside my door. What could this possibly be and then started tweeting out the revelation I mean listen. I don't have any any issue with this book. Being published on and regardless of a any agreement legal agreement that they may have reached before this is, and you know the the status of the presidency I mean. This is a clear free speech issue and I'm glad the book exists that said Yeah, they really work this one. I don't know how they. They got I mean how how they got through the the White House trying to challenge the book because the publisher wasn't You know wasn't held whatever agreement that Mary Trumpet signed. That seems like a really easy way to get anything. You want out there, right? You just gotTa. Like just make sure that you have a publisher. And then then they're not liable Verney of the agreements that you that you're privy to, and then listen getting the book out there. That was the real checkmate move because even if this book had been still in litigation then suddenly, if all the information is out there, then keeping it. Like publishing. It doesn't do any extra harmful right if the book is GonNa, get leaked out to the press. The information's there than the publication of the book is. Complete, listen I. I mean we've all seen this. We've all in the book publishing. World I mean ever in any sort of media world. This is just called seating the marketplace. This is like this info out there and as we've discussed before. There's really no limit anymore like the stuff you WanNa keep exclusive to the book you know. So, many of these books are bought not to be read again as we've discussed many times and I. Don't know that anybody picked up a Michael. Wolfe book in Said Well Shit. There wasn't anything in there that wasn't in the new times and everywhere else you know. They never got that far enough in the book to find out that there was nothing new in there. You know you expect the news. The news organizations that have all the Info and. and. It's you know it's a really effective move. They got it out there. This is this. Is this went from? And I don't know if this falls under the streisand effect, umbrella or whatever I? Don't know if the lawsuit from the White House really raise the profile of it, but it sure does seem like it did only because that's been the entire narrative of the book in the in the public sphere, right and that. The white. House trying to keep it. From being published, made us really interested to know what's going on in just like so many things with White House. Gate adds legitimacy to the detractors. Because you. Just you know, why would you? Why are you trying to keep John Bolton's book for? How can you call John Bolton's bullshit? But then also try to keep it from being published on national security grounds right? I mean it's the same thing with this. It just raises the profile of this. You know seemingly very compelling. Psychological interrogation of the president, while it used to be the trump tweet right that inflated the sales of every book that was critical about trump, but now it's a two step. Publicity process where you get the trump tweet, but before that you get the trump lawsuit. Exactly this this dangerous book must not be shared with the public. What better invitation there if you're married trump and Simon and Schuster to sell the book. I mean that is just absolutely incredible. And I want to circle back to what you said about providing certain writers with a copy of the book. this is kind of amazing to me. Because somebody tweeted out the acknowledgments of the book, and I believe Mary trump is very online she thanks. Charles P Pearson Sir, were in her in her acknowledgements. So this is somebody who is reading the same twitter accounts that we are. I think and when you look at pure Scott a copy of the book. Jonathan chait got a copy of the book. This was not where you just go to the big ticket. You know reporters the Maggie Haberman. Washington Post things or even the old school kind of opinion page writers write. That would have been maybe the Obama Era Goto. Yeah, the George will got a copy of the book on his doorstep. You were really. It feels like they were really micro targeting people with couple hundred thousand twitter followers. Who are big daily, names. In liberal political twitter. And like here you go. The twitter thing is key for the rollout to because there's not I mean not saying there's any lack of substance here, but there's no fact checking in on people's tweets right and you're just tweeting out the thing that you got in your hands and that that's just a matter of fact if this were if they were waiting on the publication of. Of the big you know right along Tom. Times piece. That might have some of. It might not have been so seemless. Yes, I did notice one thing, and it was in one of the main your times pieces about the revelations in the book. is they kind of waved away everything she wrote about trump in the White House. She had written some things apparently about about. David Kelly and some of the other things that happened the White House and they were kind of like. These are events that she was not privy to yet, so we're. We're kind of not going to touch that, but we are going to happily sort of take her word released. You know happily share it with everything that happened. In the trump family, which I thought was an interesting sort of line to draw She writes in the book the she didn't share all this stuff in twenty sixteen. She has she's not had a good relationship with her uncle in quite some time, but she did not share the stuff in two thousand sixteen. Because you think trump was gonna win like everybody else. and she also didn't think that whatever she said would penetrate. The media at that point. which brings me to my next question, which is all this stuff is interesting with you. Absolutely she has the right to write the book and have it published, but what does kind of familial psychological profile of Donald Trump? Do for us at this stage other than. Sort of inform. The history books are going to be written ten twenty years from now we'll maybe nothing, but the, but the entirely damning White House memoirs haven't seemed to have much much of a negative effect, either so I mean if if it makes if it makes the target audience more convicted of their feelings about the president or Warms cackles of some. anti-trump, you know person's heart than than maybe it does its job I. do think that there is a more significant to this which is. Even as trump's politics continue to be popular. And trump's politics at a loosely, but as his politics became, continue to be popular amongst his base. I do feel like the real like. Battlefield And the election. That's on the that's coming up. You know sooner sooner. is of rounding back around to trump the person and I. don't I think as much as all that stuff didn't stick in this case. Married trump was right in two thousand sixteen. You know he could profess to sexual assault on on tape, and just and everyone just sorta like laugh it off. I think that it's more of this psychological profile stuff that it's going to end up being really damning because we're see. Everybody that had a family member gets sick or God forbid die from the Corona. Virus is GonNa Start I is going to start. I mean has started looking at the president look and trying to identify what aspect of his character was the lead what failing personal failing of his? It was the lead to this, and you see a lot of that reflected in the. Personality profile in this book at least the parts that we've been been shown right and I do think that it's it's not. He is an evil man. He is a rapist. He is a way. He's a white supremacist. Be True But I. Think the parts that are really going to have. That are really gonNA have potency. In the the purple parts of the country. Are these just sort of more almost pedestrian things that make him just seem like. A shitty dude. So, she's not the first person to call him a narcissist, and she's not even hundred person to call him in ours. Assist but. As the Democrats build their case against him. You're saying especially with things like he is complete disinterest in doing anything about the coronavirus instead talking about the stock market or whatever he wants to talk about. Reinforcing that idea becomes really a potent weapon against him. He such a narcissist that he couldn't even be bothered. To talk about the virus that's killed over one hundred thousand Americans. That's kind of thing. That's what you're saying. Yeah, I do I. Mean I think that there's listen I. Don't know that it's her specific point of view. Although there's certainly a lot of stuff that the information that she's privy to that, other writers aren't going to be privy to least wouldn't even be as compelling if this was if her story was being retold by New York. Times writer whatever doing a book right, but I do I do think that there's a there's a pony to sort of repetition to the to the reiteration. and. You know. Narcissism Calling, somebody and narcissist can be a pretty empty thing without the without specifics I mean it does not even necessarily an insult. The way that it's used you know sometimes I think these I think the Pelletier the more insignificant. Some of these stories are the more really underscores the point that some people take for granted. They're going to be lots and lots more trump books. Over the next decades, but in the particular sub category of trump tells. That really began with Michael Wolff whom you mentioned in two thousand eighteen. Will this be the last significant? Tell all of the trump presidency. Do we thank? You mean trump is doesn't win reelection. This'll be the last one hundred in under the wire. Is that the question? Yeah, basically, which is kind of which is kind of an era of? Of Literature in and of itself Bolton, being the penultimate one right, and now we have married trump. Yeah, it will be interesting to see just in terms of publishing schedule as we know this book every time. One of these books gets a little bit of attention. They put it out a month earlier two months earlier three months early whatever they can get I wonder if as they lection starts bearing down. If there's not going to be some trump books in the pipeline that get pulled up to like you know a September first publication date every time you turn on CNN or MSNBC. It seems like there's a new. Author of Chiron under somebody's name. That's like you know some new trump book coming out. This will probably be the last significant one to answer your question. Yeah, I don't I think that I think there's probably a lot of writers who were very even writers who are under contract already, who were who are maybe secretly very eager to give it to a post-presidency book. What the Hell just happened book. Row rather than to try to do a another like inside the white. House expose. Yeah, just you just sort of wonder because they're feel that all these kind of marginal. trumpy books. That could be written if he had a second term. Like what's going to happen to those right, there is a whole trump post-presidency. There's how trump change the Republican party. There's what the hell just happened over fort last for years of American lives. There's lots of places to go with this. But in terms and I. Guess we're I bet we get more tells post-presidency to right. There's there's zero chance that all these people whom he insults after he fires them. None of them will write books about what happened in a White House. In fact, the probably a bunch of those yeah, usually usually get lots of presidential memoirs, even with a even when the occupants are not as strange from the President I guess I wanted to in here. David with the thought that this has been a tough year for Peter Luger Steak House in Brooklyn. Allow me to explain. I Peter Luger known as the place David and I tried to convince our parents to take us when they visited from out of town. Unsuccessfully, unsuccessfully got taken down by Pete. Wells The New York Times last year then Mary trump not not to be outdone Mary. Trump writes in her book. Peter Luger was a deeply strange very expensive restaurant. If feels like she did the whole wells review. They're in like half a Senate. I think so now now. I Wanna go even more, but but yeah. It's a I think that I. think that description probably probably suits it. We have a food podcasts that Mary. Trump could a part of. does does house of carbs. Have a have a slot next week. I want to hear more married. Trump's last rating criticism of New York restaurant I'm sure Joe has with loved Aviron. Make that happen all right, David! Let's do the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time nominees to at the press box pod where they are always. Gratefully received David. Did you see or maybe here the new? Joe Biden for President Ad. I don't know. Maybe I missed it. If not see what classic commercial. Associations this evokes. This job this job is about protecting. Americans not teargassing them for a photo op. It takes strength courage. Compassion resilience that's president. It was over. Were twitter joke to right? I feel like buying a dodge ram pickup truck. Thats Great. Little Bit Music. David, The Wall Street Journal. Our Wall Street Journal Editor tweeted this yesterday. Quote Japan's theme Parks of Band screaming on Roller coasters because it spreads the corona virus. No quote actual quote, please scream inside your heart. Scream inside your heart. It was an overwork twitter joke, right? Twenty twenties, officials slogan has been chosen. To Elisha Wolfson Matt Simmons and Thom Gunn Jami. And about that letter in Harper's magazine signed by everyone from JK rollings. Maddock laziest Ian. Barack Obama to Marsalis. It was over twitter joke to write. The letter is punditry. Version of the GAL gadoe imagined video. Thanks to our Powell Matthews Island. If you reminded us of a shitty crossover event, we'd forgotten because of all the shit that came after congrats. You made the overwork twitter joke of the week. That seems like six years ago, really does. Doesn't it all right on that subject in the notebook dump? First of all Harper's magazine has really entered the zone where we talk about Harper's controversies. Almost solely and never talk about like I. Dunno Harper's articles that are divorced from controversy. Not was the last time you just brought up a Harper's article man. Wow, that was a really. That was a really nice literary treatment of a subject. I do not know Harper's letter. In question came out Tuesday morning. It was just over five hundred words long. Titled a letter on Justice and open debate. Aka Letter about cancel culture. It reads in part the free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of Liberal Society is daily, becoming more constricted while we have come to expect this on the radical right. CENSORIOUS NECE is also spreading more widely in our culture and intolerance of opposing views of vogue for public shaming and ostracism and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in blinding moral certainty dot dot dot. You had to take on this David. Yeah? You know I i. Kinda hone down on this quote from Nicholas who's a obviously a fantastic writer and and teacher and her, but he says signatory to this letter, which is letter I, yeah, that's why I bring him up. He's what concerns me as a sense that a lot of people out there seemed to think open argument over everything is an unhealthy thing. He says. My whole life, having vigorous arguments that people I disagree with. Don't WanNA think we're moving out of this world. I really think that's the crux of a lot of the controversy around this thing because. I think that everybody who signed this letter. Seriously worries about this issue and I and at the same time I. Don't think any of the detractors of the letter amongst which I would probably count, myself would agree that this is even happening or at least not happening enough for it to bear mentioned right now of all times. You know I mean this is like. This this would be like. You know a shopowner during the American revolution, just like making a public pronouncement that everybody should be tucking in their shirt does there's looseness with shirt is really? So beside the point and to not see that. Even if it's happening, even if this thing is really happening to not see how that pales in comparison to what everybody else is worrying about right now. is in essence like that's the entire problem right I. Mean I'm not sure like this is like. This is this is disconnected from reality is like. You know? Someone saying white lives matter in our all lives matter sorry in a racist way. You know it's like it's. It's still totally wrong. It's still the problem I mean it's. It's just such an. It's so idiotic I. I'm with you I just I mean just just for starters. I, I find the timing of this just to be completely gobsmack I really do. That as you say that this the issue right now is that we're not having an open debate in American society right this. This is the key issue area. Even even within the realm of journalism. They were not allowed to have an open debate without being can't and I'm just like what have we just spent the last several weeks talking about an American Life? What him? Why? Why are we? Why are we shoving this in right now? And Yeah when I hear that Nicholas Lemon, quote you talk about. I just think it's really important. I'm a fan of his to a great fan of his writing and reading him for for a long time now, but look at the magazines that guy came up writing for. The New Republic the Atlantic The New Yorker right, guess what the composition of those magazines were right, and so when you say well. I came up having a free and open debate. AB- ideas, did you? Did you when you look at the mastheads of those magazines? You did really and were those magazines not set up to make a certain certain people in this world essentially on cancelable. And to essentially make this whole kind of thing like that. That is so the point of this, and somehow that just completely seems to sail over the heads of the people who signed the letter. Well I mean you know. Nick Lemon was not at all involved with a New Yorker during the time when there was the Steve Bannon New Yorker Festival controversy, but you have your mind immediately goes there. Right where you have David Rimnicu whoever saying Oh, I, just had abandoned on because I wanted to have a free flowing. You know a good spirited debates. We could highlight the ways that he's very wrong and two totally miss the point. The miss the point that that's not what people are not be. We're not saying he doesn't deserve it. Like no right. No right leaning person deserves to have the stage to debate right. I mean you're just missed point so dramatically. Is. Won't damnable on its own way. I I the other day. Some is asking say what are what are the biggest issues in sports journalism to take our little corner of the world? And I said two things always come to mind more jobs and more diversity, right? It's really hard for me than to get to anything else. I was looking at these numbers the other day. This is in two thousand eighteen the AP Sports, editors. put out a racial and gender report card. This is just one example sports editors in America Eighty, five percent, white, ninety percent, male sports or mortars, eighty two percent, white, eighty nine percent male sports columnist, eighty percent, white, eighty three percent male. These are in Kendall Bakers axios newsletter, which is very helpful on these matters, but I'm just like Whoa. Where's where's the interest? In all these people in Diversity in journalism right? Yeah, you can't get cancelled if you never got hired in the first place, yeah! You. Don't get to get canceled if you never got the job. And we're looking at decades and decades and decades of which many of these people have been working in journalism where they were working places and you and I are in the same same boat here, worrying places that were not diverse that we're not offering opportunities to everybody else. Yeah, so against spare me until until we actually tried to write that. Enormous problem. Spare me this stuff. Yeah, I couldn't say that better I mean. Honestly it's just an endless and eat it. Is, a lot of the people on this on this letter have not been in those newsrooms or comparable places that you mentioned in decades either right. I mean it's I. Mean even some of the most. People I mean a lot of people have graduated onto jobs outside of the newsroom or outside of you know publishing specifically, and or or they're, or they're freelance writers, or or in the case of some people like Maruma been ousted in the not too distant past as well and it just to be go over that quickly. They they when he was running the New York review of books. They published a piece about about Django. Messy. The Canadian talk show host who? Got Charged with a bunch of sexual assault things. Charges and ended up having to apologize, and it was sort of a relocation of his case along the I mean not specific, not exactly like this letter says, but it's sort of like questioning the cancel culture, even even in in terms of like the METOO era. And issues of sexual assault and he defended Bruma defended the decision to publish it well. I'll say this. We talked about at the time. It was a terrible piece to publish for so many reasons, but at the end of the day I was just like why. I mean regardless of the politics of it, regardless of what whether or not you think it was right. Why the Hell did you think it was a good idea to publish it like what did that? Do for the national debate? What did that do to to victims? What did that? How did that do anything that make you feel better about yourself for this for this same weird like resisting cancel golden ratio. Ratio is bubbling up in the back of your head. If you feel I mean listen, we're not you Brian you and I are not spring chickens. We are of the age of the people that I'm pointing my finger at right now, maybe not quite at Bruma by the way just if you or I wake up in the morning, and we're like turn on CNN and you're like, and you have an inkling in your head. That's like what the fuck is wrong with these kids these days out there protesting in the street or whatever? That's the moment where you like. Take a breath and go look in the mirror, and you say either I could be really wrong, or I could be really in the wrong line of work, you know I mean and you and maybe just the world doesn't need to hear what I have to say on the podcast this week, or even about this particular subject right I mean it's just you know whatever whatever subject is in. You feel so out of touch with what the world is doing in interrogate that and don't just like. Find Solace with your. Peer Group which I mean listen. I. Don't know that this was just a mass text message. The Rick Macarthur you know sent out and just decided to to publish of his own accord. It feels a lot like that right and I. It just. It's just it's just kind of sad is just it's sad. This feels like a real offensive version of like you know. Like George Gervin or somebody talking shit about the new generation of basketball players. You know I mean it's just. It's just sad I saw somebody saying well. This is not about. Defending the jobs and the and the status of the people to sign a letter. This is about people. This is about doing it on behalf of the people. Come on, come on, really really I. I don't think so reader checker out our assis. David would either of you have signed onto the Harper's letter I think the answer is. Probably no after what we just said. Question was. would. You have signed onto any open letter. David if we pick like the most. Popular non-controversial press, access. Out on open letters, just generally no I mean and that's kind of. I was just getting it. I don't think anybody needs might need like you know me my voice joining a chorus right now, I'd happily do it if I felt the causes right, but I would certainly find a hesitate to do anything I mean like when she just write a piece in your own words, rather than sign it with like thirty other. It's it's wild. It's and just really quickly to touch on what you're saying before about representation and jobs like. You know. Canceling is more than the threat of one losing one's job, but the people sign the signatories of this letter. I feel confident could fairly easily employ every writer that gets cancelled over the next two years right. They could find a place for them in one of the one of their one of their publications or or Their businesses. No one's loot no-one need lose a platform over saying something. That's minorly minorly offensive to the. Wild Liberal online hordes right, I mean like Harper's can sign that person up for a weekly column or a month. Sorry now weekly for. The business monthly bimonthly. I don't WanNa talk to school here but like. Not Knowing. What's in Harper's go get them online. You know it's just it's sort of wild. It's SORTA wild. The I do have a power ranking hair of. top-five harper's scandals of recent vintage. She went here these. Please number five publisher Rick. Macarthur hates the Internet. I don't know if that's really a scandal. But in two thousand fourteen, he was using floppy disks, wordperfect and corresponding with authors like William Bowman via typed letter. The Internet MacArthur told the new. York Times quote wasn't much more than a gigantic xerox machine. L. O. that number four. What is wordperfect? Mike, we're perfect. I don't even know the answer to this perfect was Microsoft word. What was it sort of like the new coq of Microsoft word? Was it a better version of or was it a different? Was it a different Microsoft Pepsi of okay? Another word processing program that had a some some moment in the Sun Chris changing his twitter bio two. What is wordperfect? Walk by the way John. Rick MacArthur is sixty four years old. Isn't that a ninety year old person? We're talking about right now. Yeah, now NA. Na number four on the power rankings. Two thousand ten Rick Macarthur. Fires Harper's editor. Roger Hodge. Other Times reports a quote in a rambling forty minute monologue that left his employees perplexed. Macarthur declared quote. The mainstream media is ignoring Harper's to death. He fixed that problem. Number three there was a Chris hedges a charge of plagiarism in an article in draft article, he submitted a Harper's Harper's did not run the story number. Two the fact checking email in two thousand eighteen makes it seem like Harper's as docks the creator of the Shitty media. Men List duct about that here on the press box. And Number One David My. Maybe my all time. Favorite Louis Lappam longtime editor writes in column, sharing his reactions to the two thousand and four Republican National Convention Alas The New York Times reports. The magazine arrived on subscribers doorsteps before the convention had ever taken place. Who's got ahead, a kind of had a pre reaction that was sold as an actual as an actual reaction. Hard time for a listener mail first letter David is from me. I was clicking around this morning and there's a New York. Times profile of the band formerly known as the dixie chicks. Now just the chicks. Here's the headline. The chicks are done caring what people think? Now. The Times has stumbled onto. The greatest. Celebrity profile headline of all, time. because. I would submit that. We are constantly being told that celebrities don't really care which I. Think I don't know if you want some examples here miles. Teller is young talented and doesn't give a rat's ass. What you think Oh. That's nice. Kevin Durant doesn't care what you think. it's also been used and political profiles. Nancy. Pelosi doesn't care what you think. What did you think of her Jon Huntsman doesn't care what you think that's. That's A. that's a shame. That Jon Huntsman doesn't care what I think. It's probably news at this point. If the celebrity being profiled chairs, what I think. And I'm not sure we really need to. By the way, the dixie chicks have been outspoken for like two decades now. So this is really not really not news that they don't care what what you think I think they have I think they have not cared blissfully so in a long time. Yeah, only if they cared what I thought what I think, that's the only news blogs in the headline. What do you think who what celebrity does care? What you think I went to. We need to find the great search for the celebrity. Who Cares what you? I mean who cares what we think. Who cares what we think. Yeah, what's a good profile? Right if they actually cared. What we thought. Yeah desperately cared if they desperately worried. What just like random like US thought of them? That'd be an interesting profile. Yeah, I mean I think that that's that would be yeah. I mean that would be a problem. It's problematic condition you know I mean I guess. Some people fall into that trap, but to really like we seek everybody's approval. You know that that's there's not I mean I guess there's only field right wasn't was it sally field back in the day like they love me. They really love me. Yeah, but that's more the academy. It's not like that that's not people you David. Doesn't care what I think. I have very very very high opinion of Sally Field Don't case she's listening this pal. Chris Trump wants to see if David can figure out what these people have in common. No, Fred Savage Tom. Hanks Oj, Simpson Courtney Love and Donald Rumsfeld? No they did not sign a letter Harper's about canceled culture. Let me just give you a hint there. David friend savage. Tom Hanks OJ. Courtney, love and Donald Rumsfeld. Man I feel like I should be able to get bit. Fred savage is doesn't have. I know he was a director and stuff, but I feel like just from Fred savage alone I should be able to, is it? Is Like I should be able to suss something out. Is it like a princess bride? Thing what I what what? It's stupider than you think it's They all had birthdays on July eighth. The planner. Workouts at that out Chris comment on twitter. What had been her party? That would have been tastic. What do you think Oj and Don? Rumsfeld would talk about this is from derp dis- Tucker Carlson have a line. He cannot pass will could he say that would get him fired from Fox? It seems like he's asking us the same question right implicitly. It seems like he is in constant heat like he's like pushing the boundary. Performance. Every night. And I say performance because we've talked about. A lot of times I'm not trying to give him a pass the way that like. You know we used to like absent. Mindedly, give Ann Coulter a pass because we thought she was playing a a wrestling character whatever I mean. He's Duggar Carlson is. Evil piece of garbage, but like it does seem like he's just trying to figure out what button he could push called new office, and like cackling every night on the way home that he hasn't gotten reprimanded yet. Yeah, Tammy Duckworth senator from Illinois was a target for a couple of nights. Saying all kinds of things about her I mean. It was just reprehensible stuff to i. mean almost like just laughable I mean he could have been a script from A. Episode of the O'Reilly factor from ten years ago about someone else entirely by you know whatever, but it was just. Like. I mean just so so ridiculous. That felt to me like he wanted. Like, he wanted a win like he wanted a very specific win like he wanted. If tammy Duckworth does not become the vice presidential nominee. He will dine out on that for the rest of his career. Right and say that he got her yanked from the consideration, and if he does, he wants to be on the cutting on the forefront of whatever charges eventually inevitably get leveled against her. Because now she's the standard bearer one of the two on that side. Yeah, I just yeah I. Don't I. Don't think he is fireable. For what he says on the air, I mean the WHO how many people from Fox have been fired over stuff that happened on the air as much more stuff. Stuff that happened off the air I think if you look just purely on the numbers, you know the the terms of big stars. You know why they left Fox Sir I don't think it's been comments like that and and I. Think you'll probably just get going now i. don't i. don't think so either I do I mean, and and certainly it seems like in the Post Rupert Murdoch era. It's even there's even less. There's even more of a blind I. Turn to the sort of commentary at over there. You know the prime time hosts as far as like how offensive they can be but I. I You know in an age where the Washington football team can change their changed their name. I kind of feel like anything's possible with enough money lean I mean we. It's already been established. That doesn't matter of every commercial they run on. That show is like you know like a random. You know my pillow or like you know some sort of medication ad, but if enough money leans on a company than maybe know, maybe there is something that he could say that would get him fired. This is Alex Stewart given buttons lead in the polls too early to worry about what happens when trump refuses to recognize election results. I feel I get this. Question a lot from family members. This that question a lot of people are are worried about so here's my theory, Donald. Trump almost if he loses wellness, certainly say that the election was stolen. One hundred percent chance. He was saying it last time before the election. Getting Ready to make that case when before he somewhat surprisingly one. I think there's the theory that Donald. Trump is just too lazy to not leave. The White House, right I can totally imagine him skipping the inauguration throwing out the window all the politeness we associate with presidential transitions, including the politeness that the OBAMAS afforded to him. In two, thousand, sixteen and twenty seventeen, but I I kinda think he's just going to. He's just going to pack up his toys and go home. What do you think I do think that that's. I think that that's that's especially if he has a you know. At some point, he'll be setting up. His post-presidency plans remember four years ago. He was going to start his own. TV network or like over the top network or whatever it is. There's been a lot of articles about this, too, and forgive me. I. Do not remember who wrote this An and I apologize, and I'm going to mangle whatever the Mangla just by recounting my memory, but you know someone. Someone pointed out that the real fear is not that he would just. Say Forget the votes I'm your I'm your you know dictator for life now, but it's more like you really. If you. Once. You start questioning mail in ballots. Once you start introducing these questions into enough different states that there is and if you file suit there's also poll-watchers and all these states they're doing. You know they're. They're ready to pull out all the stops, and all these different directions the and at the end of the day there, if if the vote sign up in a certain way or even a likely way kind of all you have to. To do like we saw in Bush V, Gore which is sort of run out the clock on the recounts. If you can just pause, the recounts or pause the counting of mail in ballots. The point didn't you might actually have some claimed victory by the you know by the end of the calendar year. Whatever it's, it's really a bizarre hypothetical and I hope again so that the swamp that he you know has failed to drain. And you know all of the otherwise sort of eyebrow. Raising semi questionable parts of Washington establishment will kind of all swimming and action at once, and I think he will probably be escort from the White House by senior military officials. You know very quietly as not to dirt his reputation if he tried anything like that at all. Yeah, I think. I think I think there'd be a lot of people who would probably make it. You're saying he would be escorted out. If he didn't if he didn't want to leave I, think there was any I think if you gave any indication of defying the results of the election. There would be a lot of stuff very quickly happening. offstage that would change his tune and I don't I don't. That's not something to be necessarily a super proud of. Your country, but in this in this situation I think that the way that the military delice's lining up right now that that would, it would be that wouldn't surprise me sacked in the full as a few journalists, centric political movies have come out during the trump administration, the post, Richard, jewel, shock and awe, but nothing squarely about this era. What do you think will be the story at the heart of this film when it finally gets made? interestingly. In Speaking Fox News bombshell also came out the trump administration, and in a way that sorta of is the story of the trump administration, right and the sort of Fox News culture. Do you have anything anything else David? Do you think would make a good movie about journal? I'm dubious any movie journalists much as I like to watch them. I'm dubious that any will work especially well. Yeah I can't think of one I can't I mean the what are the best movies are I mean I. Guess There's there's a lot of good journalism movies from years past, but there's some. Yet I just can't. There's some good ones in a lot that journalists watch over and over again. I see journalists sticking up for the paper. You know it's like come on really the paper. Yeah Go and we're going with that. I can't I can't think of any I I have a I someday, I'm kind of against power rankings unless they're about harper scandals just in general but I. Do have journalism movie one that I that some point may which? this is from winfield's would be interested. In hearing y'all thoughts on the place of Mugshots in journalism, and whether it should ever have been there to begin with. He sends along a New, York Times article that's about how a number of law enforcement officials have stopped sharing these images, unless there's some public safety concern, and then also certain newspaper chains have stopped doing those slide shows, which were just pure I mean the most base hidden Nag noted that you could possibly get I remember. When I was an albuquerque once I visiting family there and I was at a gas station. I think and there was like just like A. Newsprint Style magazine that was just filled with mugshots. That was a whole magazine. It was just like. Please have fun enjoying yourself with pictures of people who've been arrested. It's just yet I mean this. This is the thing that has just been low key a just really gross way to. For people to enjoy themselves. Gannett here says mugshot galleries presented without context may feed in a negative stereotypes. Our editorial judgment are of limited news value. Goodbye mugshots forever, and and let's let's get behind that I think when the most shots are also released I mean I listen. I could be off about this in some jurisdictions forever, but mugshots usually come out. Sort of at the discretion of the police, right so like and depending on how busy they are or more significantly. What would they see as a sort of value of putting them out? I mean makes a big difference in what gets out there, too. So it's not, it's never. I agree with not putting him out. I think I mean I'm not quite exactly sure. WHAT THE PUBLIC GOOD! Unless it's a matter of you know immediate danger. Yeah, the people we're talking about here. Mostly are not like public officials right? This is not like Tom. delay's Mugshot or something like that. This is these are people that are just. You know normal private citizens. who were then? Their stuff is put out there for everybody's entertainment. This is from Real K Doug Kevin. Love that you guys are self aware enough to disavow references to the Dakota. Ring and Christmas story, but to Drop Bo Seinfeld and Joan Collins references later in the same episode. David was responsible for the former may for the latter good stuff as always keep it up, boys. I really do think we need to have a rubicon. Line of Reference. The Jesus really not ever ever pass animal houses on the far side of that for me. Seinfeld and the simpsons, basically at this point are on the other side. Even though we grew up with that, you just really should just never reference those we can. We just release. We should just released two episodes forever. The two different versions of every episode one were just just the forty and up. Episode is now normally record it, and then we'll release a separate one. Where like Chris and Erica can do voice-overs and every time we make pop culture reference Christians comes in. He's just like it's like that episode of Spongebob where and then proceeds give some very modern to millennials. Point of reference when that work better people out there. Yeah, it's the. Perfect version of the show and the and then the senior version of the show. I want a whole segment on references. Journalists should never make. either. We should just have cut off right. The drawbridge went up here. No more no more this I mean. I think I think we could actually come up with a pretty with a pretty funny list finally. This is from the bobber. Is Joe Biden's digital divide narrowing. How dare you sir? How dare you does tell us it's time for David Shoemaker guesses, the strained upon had. All right all right Monday's headline about Republican push back to trump's Russia policy was trump faces a gop mutiny on the Russian bounties. Today's headline comes from AMC. K. One to five and Todd Morrissey who created a twitter account to send us by the way the press bugs very popular with people who do not have twitter accounts I. Don't know that. Says the people that probably really appreciate our Joan Collins references. Just sure Todd Morrissey objected. This in the New Zealand Herald. New Zealand. Is You know? David has done a very good job controlling new spread of corona virus, unlike the United States a thirty two year old man there who had the virus was in managed isolation in an Auckland hotel many he could not leave, not allowed to leave well. That man escaped, he went to a supermarket and according to the paper, the man spent fourteen minutes and the beauty aisle, buying toothpaste body, wash and razor blades sounds like us back in our lower east side days keyword. Here's I'll I'll as an aisle in the supermarket. What was the New Zealand? Herald? Strained Pun headline until he broke out of corona virus isolation supervised isolation. And went to the supermarket went to the drugstore yet went to the market I'll I'll I'll of like I love man I love. I love Easing up your island is. Why can't think of any aisles I love? Lucy Emerald Isle. I'll be. I'll be back I'll be I'll be. I'll be. In there. You're so close. I'll be damned. That's great. Great Great Look on Christmas face right now I'll be damned. Cove Hotel escapers supermarket selfies. He is David. Shoemaker Bryan Curtis researched by that very same Chris Omega production magic by Erica Savante. We're back Monday. I KINDA WANNA do the segment about reinventing the Sunday political shows. If I can get myself ready to watch. For hours of political chat shows on Monday. It might be time it might be time to actually have a segment about the horrors of Corona virus. Again we it's been. It's been several months and it's worse than ever now. It's like we're like now. 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"Hey guys, welcome to the ring podcast network. It's lists Kelly the co host teatime, your favorite celebrity, and pop culture podcasts have moved out of channel thirty three and into their very own feed called bring her dish on ringer dish. She can still listen to jam session on Wednesdays and teatime on Fridays, and we'll be launching a brand new show that will publish every Monday episode so far included a heated debate on witch celebrity Chris Rian supreme and a social media, deep dive on the big little lies cast, so to hear more about the Royal family and our current celebrity obsessions. Subscribe to ringer dish on apple Spotify or every your guests. David. Cory Booker demanded that Joe Biden apologized for comments about segregationists, this week. And then Biden demanded the Booker apologize for asking him to abolish what I want to know is David are there any apologies you'd like to demand? This is as we record. This is the NBA draft day. They'd be is in full swing at the ring reach queue and I would like to formally request an apology from our own Kevin O'Connor for just teasing me into thinking the Mavericks might be signing out Horford. Let's see what, what, what, what a project do we need. QA demanded apology for Biden for committing more gaffes than we have weekly episodes of the press box to catalogue them. It's never going to end. It's never going to end. We are the sorriest media podcast. This is the press box a part of the ringer podcast network. L O media, consumers, Bryan, Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here, lots of stuff to get to today's show. We have the nation's first Donald Trump non endorsement, we have a new and emerging type of journalism, that's infecting the nation's websites. And we have Texas news was the overwork Twitter, joke of the week, and much more. But David back to Joe Biden, and the segregationists, what we got this week. I think was yet another appearance of defiant by new no defiant by by now. It's the Biden who says people know what's in my heart no matter what incredibly dumb thing just came out of my mouth. And before we get to the guts of the story, just listen to Biden when he was asked if he needed to apologize to Cory Booker, one of his opponents in the democratic primary. Are you guys like Hodge is for? What is called for it glacier, apologize. He knows better not a racist bone in my body. I've been involved in civil rights, my whole career. Period, period. Period note careful listeners there. We'll hear Biden's press person trying to cut off questions before then by delivers the singular soundbite that anybody paid attention to this all goes back to Tuesday when Biden was at a fundraiser in New York, he was doing his, I'm going to charm the Republicans into working with me bit. And he talked about a couple of segregationists. He'd served within the US Senate back in the seventies James Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia. And by the way, congrats to every journalist in America who read the Wikipedia pages of James Eastland, and Herman Talmadge this week dope. Pretend you knew that much about those guys don't pretend Biden's remarks. Were we didn't agree on much of anything? This is according to the AP called Talmadge, one of the meanest guys, I ever knew and said, Eastland used to call Biden son son, we're gonna pass legislation today. Yet either. Even in the Senate Biden said there, at least was some civility, we got things done. And they're David is one of the great magic words of politics, civility, Vilakazi, Eastland and Talmadge were civil in the Senate with by which is what Biden is saying is important, even as they were uncivil to all their African American constituents. Yeah. I mean to. I'm not quite sure you can attribute. Civility I mean, I guess we all know that we all we, we've all said things about people like y you know, you might have a lot of bad things to say about him, but he's never been anything but nice to me, and I can only judge them by my personal interaction. But I think that kind of goes out the window when someone's like professed segregationist rate. I mean, it's it doesn't really matter how they treat you. I think there's other there's other material to be brought into the equation. I mean listen. Yes, we do know what was in his heart. We know that Joe Biden is not is not aligning himself with the segregationist, 'cause we do know that Joe Biden. I mean, we can all accept Joe Biden was trying to make a point about working together to pass. I mean in, in governance despite enormous chasms in ideology or philosophy or whatever else we know what was in his heart. We don't know what was in his head, and I think, that's, you know, the, the turned into the, the functional, I mean, the never ending question about Joe Biden. His quixotic presidential campaign. I excited he's the front runner in a lot of polls came out of the gate it. Sure heels quixotic with every mistake. But yes, but yeah, if this were anybody, but Joe Biden, and by the way, if it were Joe Biden himself, minus eight years, vice President Barack Obama. I mean we know what that looks like it's Joe Biden when he ran before, you know it is quixotic. It's just like it's, it's the most bizarre person running means to run for, for higher office, that, that you could put that you could imagine, except for the fact that he had this really significant eight year run as president, we know what's in his heart, but in a way, that's what scares me is what's in his heart, because he's running on bipartisanship and civility and national healing and appealing to our better angels, one of the funniest one of the funniest details about this was the New York Times piece in which Biden's advisor said, no, no, no. When you named Republicans you worked with you were supposed to name, John McCain, and Bob Dole. You weren't supposed to pick the segregationist. You were supposed to pick the guys who are kinda had that kind of nice bipartisan sheen on them. And there are a lot of Democrats who would say, but that's not what we need either because one that was an imaginary time long ago in politics was a lot different than it is today. Yes. When the parties were a lot more scrambled when Mitch McConnell was not running the Senate et cetera et cetera. But also just like that, that is just a very odd thing to be your defining characteristic at this moment in. That's obviously, what he wants more than anything is to, you know, us, you know, cool. Joe, Joe cool, Mr. persona to somehow convince everybody to work together. I just it's, it's an amazing, by the way, an amazing lesson to take from the Obama administration is that you can charm you can appeal to the better angels of Republicans to work together. Wasn't the less Obama administration? The opposite lesson that that doesn't work. I mean that was the that was the. Lesson. But the but the, the philosophy of pretending that it was possible. Never really went out the window, right? I mean that the put it putting up a putting up a front of. Civility, I think was sort of their operating their, you know, they're operating philosophy throughout the, you know, even till the bitter end even when it's clear that was never going to work with a few notable examples. I mean listen far be it for me to give campaign advice political advice, anybody who's been doing this, their entire lives or entire careers. But I mean it makes some amount of sense for Joe Biden to be running as a front runner, right? I mean he, he has certainly the resume as we've discussed, but also, I mean, the best thing he has going for him is the presumption of victory. And yes, so I so I understand. I understand. Why Joe Biden is in an on any general way running a general election campaign. Right. To act like you're above the frayed act like it's a give and you're going to be taking on Trump these things make sense. But this is the wrong kind of general election. The wrong sort of general, general election move to make writes it to act. I mean to, to, to talk about civility at a time started by healing the nation at a time when your opponent is not Donald Trump your opponent of these other twenty Democrats, circling around you and what he did was we talked last week. How are they going to go at each other? What are they gonna? How wh- how are they gonna attack by now? They're gonna attack. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren. He has just teed up the easiest attack line on him. The end the most the most ineffective one to the democratic electorate great. I mean he's he's ju-. This is the biggest gift that he could have possibly given the other Democrats running for for the presidency. Absolutely. Because it takes something that's hard to attack which is bipartisanship. And it coats it in this, you know, racism and segregation. And it's like how could you possibly want to be bipartisan and reach across the aisle? If this is your idea bipartisanship. Absolutely. Let's recount, some of the attacks. Booker wait mentioned demanded. He apologize build a blah's ago running his presidential campaign in relative, obscurity, says James Eastland, literally thought my wife and I should not have the legal right to marry that those children should not exist in our children, should not be on this earth. Better a Rourke said that Biden completely ignores the legacy of slavery in the active suppression of African American and communities of color right now. And last, but certainly not least here his California, Senator, Kamala Harris, I have a great deal of respect for vice president Biden is done very good work, and he has served our country in a very noble way. But coddle the reputations of segregationists of people who if they had their way, I would literally not be standing here as a member of the United States Senate is I think it's just it's misinformed and it's wrong. Mccollough Chai's for that. He's going to have to make that decision. But let's be very clear that the senators that he is. Speaking of with such adoration are individuals who made and built their reputation on segregation. The Ku Klux Klan celebrated the election of one of them. I think the other thing that Biden is changing our minds about, maybe our minds wordy changed. But he certainly clarify it is that Senate guy is not a great candidate for president. And here's what I mean by Senate guy. It's that guy who's all about the pomp and Colegio -ality of the Senate somebody who has that long record. We've already talked about multiple times how Biden's long record in government is actually a hindrance for him in a campaign, rather than a help, but also a person who is entire reputation was sort of built on. I'm one of these go along get along guys. I believe in ceremony. I believe in the nobility of. The Senate itself. These people have lost presidential campaigns pretty regulate would mention John McCain and Bob Dole. Both lost presidential campaigns people like Barack Obama were in the Senate for five seconds. People like George Bush, you know, were never, you know, never had that kind of thing, Hillary Clinton who Senate record came back to haunt her in two different presidential elections, even though she wasn't Senate all that long. I just I just think he his in a weird way. He is actually focusing attention on on that body. And on the way that body used to operate. Yeah. And has almost you know sort of ruled it out as something you can put easily on your on your resume, and say, this is the reason to elect me. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not that it's not that dissimilar to the discussion of sort of the, the glories ideals of the Senate versus the glories ideals of journalism. You know, I mean the approval rating for either of those things in and just some vague way is gonna be rock bottom, just because you can produce it cool looking black and white folk. Photo of you know what it was like back in the fifties. That, that, I mean, that, that doesn't mean that anybody has any nostalgia for that, you know, and I think quite the opposite. And, and you're right. I mean it goes against. It's not it's not an argument that anybody's interested in hearing. And just like and you made the point that it that, that this gives them this gives Biden's, you know, opponents away to attack to civility, which was this kind of this vague unimpeachable thing up until this point, it also opens them up to I mean, every flaw with the Biden campaign, that was sort of, you couldn't get a handle on before is now something you can just take a swing at if you wanna make the point that he's an inarticulate idiotic misspeaking, candidate, that's going to be a problem in general election. You can make that point now because of what he just said, you know, you can make the point you can you can make the point that I think, is, you know, it might be still a little bit treacherous. You can make you can make the argument that he has this huge blind spot in a very real way to the liberal mission. Right. I mean, this is like the fact that he would say that is all you need to know about him. Someone can say that. And I think we keep coming around to this, and who knows how much it matters. But the age issue is an issue that's going to keep coming up and win your argument for how how. How you're going to reform. The government revolves around some sepia toned memory, with, like, you know, PBS documentary violins playing in the background, it just underscores the fact that you're a really old dude, and old white dude who, who does not who has. I mean you're out there just like pumping your fist. It doesn't matter if all of your references from the dark ages, then people are going to all they're going to be thinking about is how old you are a that is exactly right. Because his opponents can't say he's too old to be president, but they can say he comes from this. Now bygone political age, that is not right, for now that he has no relevance to what we're doing now and should be left back in the nineteen. Seventies, I did also like this piece that was co written by Mark Murray, who's a senior political director of NBC news and more importantly at Texas Longhorn, he talks about the same day. Bide was muttering about segregations Donald Trump was once again. Refusing to apologize for everything he did with the central park, five Republicans with Republicans nobody cared nobody cared about what Trump set. But when Biden, did his bit his own party dog pilot, and it's that sort of a symmetry of outrage as Murray calls it that is going to be a big factor in this campaign. It was very similar Hillary Clinton too, that you Biden, Biden is not going to be be given tons of slack by his own allies. Whereas Trump is going to be given, you know, basically an infinite amount by the way, this just absolutely sharpens the issues for next week's debates talked speaking of well-timed gifts we talk about how it gives them a way to attack bite, and we'll guess what they're going to be on stage. This is like the, the minor fisticuffs at the way in. I mean this gives us something to look forward to in the debates next week. This is the shove the the profanity shove, and then we're ready. Now we're ready for the main event. We are. We are contractually obligated to remind you that next week, we are doing a live press box episodes, Wednesday and Thursday night after the democratic debates turned down your music at the Eric well, well victory party, and please join us, we'll be there. I David type of the overwork Twitter, joke of the week where we celebrate a gag that was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time asked listeners to police in their nominees to at the press box pod, or they will be gratefully received David. Here's a tweet from the publication the hill Broadway play about Hillary Clinton is closing early due to low ticket sales. This is the this is the the rather improbable Broadway play. Yeah. It was an overworked Twitter joke to right? They should've advertised in Wisconsin. Thanks to Matthew Zetland for that one that joke will never end. Do we I, I think that's going to take us best twenty twenty? Remember when Donald Trump misspelled prince of Wales? On Twitter, the other day. Wales like the oceanic mammal. Yeah, it was a terrible terrible terrible. But extremely widespread overworked Twitter joked to say, do you think at the real Donald Trump type that on porpoise? I again I do not. I'm not endorsing it, but it was out there, thanks to Augie Hayes rate, and David, we got tons of stuff from the Toronto Raptors victory celebration coup Leonard and pals won the NBA title last week and celebrated this week with a parade through the streets of Toronto Dave Bullhorn. Avid listener notes that it was an word Twitter. Joked to write board, man gets parade. Not not paid Ord, man gets parade. And by the way, that was used by the ringer account, and we believe in intellectual honesty, here at the press box. And we behold, we hold ourselves to account and over. We're Twitter jokes just like anyone else and not babble daddy's not getting away with anything here. Anyway. Thanks today for that one. And finally, this one came from the ringers own Donnie Kwok, one of the subplots, the NBA finals was that guard Jeremy Lin wanna ring with the raptors despite playing in only one game in the NBA finals and not taking a single shot. So played in one game at garbage time did not take a shot, but isn't Germany Lynn, is an NBA champion as Donnie notes. It was an overworked Twitter joke to write for all the years of Asians. Having to do all the work in a group project. No one should be giving Jeremy Lin craft for becoming an invasion. All right. David time for the notebook dumb. This week Donald Trump kicked off his reelection campaign in Orlando Florida, with some rhetoric like this want to make clear to the media. We have the cleanest and sharpest crystal clean. You've heard me say went crystal clean, air and water anywhere on earth. If we have about three or four empty seats, the fake news. We'll say headlines you didn't fill up the arena. Do you notice there when he was talking about the quality of the air, the for he said, we have the sharpest air, he started to say that? Go ahead to back off that adjutant. So we need to decide David, if this move was thirsty or brilliant or possibly both. Because as Donald Trump was reading to kick off his campaign in Orlando. The Orlando Sentinel, a paper near and dear to the heart of the ringers very own Kevin Clarke decided to file its presidential endorsement or non endorsement, the headline was our Orlando Sentinel, endorsement for president twenty twenty not Donald Trump. The paper wrote some raiders are wonder how we could possibly eliminate a candidate so far before an election. And before knowing the identity of his opponent, because there's no point to pretending we would ever recommend that readers vote for Trump after two and a half years, we've seen enough. So the opinions editor of the Orlando Sentinel. Mike lafferty was trying to explain this calculus. David, and he's he essentially says, okay, we're not endorsing Trump. But that is no. Oh, guarantee that we will actually endorse the democrat we might not. And so I, I love this because there's all these like scenarios here with the sentinel, does not endorse Trump, but also doesn't endorse a democratic nominee. I mean, chance you see the kind of lame. Okay. We cannot support the president. But we can also not support nominee, Bernie Sanders. So therefore, take a pass on this one or lafley also held out the idea that maybe they would support Mitt Romney, if he ran in the very unlikely event, he was going to run against Trump in the in the primary Silec. We're ruling out Trump, but we've, we've got about, like four or five scenarios, where we don't endorse the democrat the sentinel has endorsed, Hillary Clinton, but did not doors endorse any democratic nominees from nineteen fifty two to two thousand four. In other news, David, we've talked on this year podcast about the journalistic post mortem for the. Men moving Jordan meetings and sets that we've gotten how to go wrong pieces about men in black international and the Houston Rockets season. Yes. Yes. Which dissolved into acrimony and a second round playoff lost, and any journalists listening to that will sense the necessary three examples for a trend piece. Yes, I'd like to inaugurate a segment called David's assignment desk. Take it away. David, first of all, I just want to give a shout out to Sean fantasy. I'm doing this for you, man. He I this soon as we got three deep and actually think it was four deep because a couple of the last few came at the same time, I thought this feels like a brand Curtis piece, and then Bryan Curtis win on the Bill Simmons podcast and, and just and spoke life to the peace. They just they you and Bill went on there. And you and you and you talked about this subject. You talked about how crazy it is that it's just it feels like within thirty six hours after every just large scale failure that there's a link theory. Peace. With many, many, mostly anonymous sources explaining how everything went wrong and listen, we're about to see, we're about to fall backwards into another barrage of them, when we have to read, you know, six thousand words on how the Knicks off season went to shit or whichever other team is it is that comes up empty this, this in this NBA off-season, although them just gonna assume it's the next and, and, you know, with the with the way, the summer movies have been going. I don't think there's any end of those either I feel like this is a perfect peace, deacon can take movie them. You can take the NBA you put those things together with the with the, the magical. Pin of Bryan Curtis. This is this is a perfect ringer piece. You gotta write this. First of all, I want to clarify something. If I had tweeted that out, then I would have gotten the note from the other say, hey, is this, a piece is this a PC just tweet out? But I feel if you speak it on a podcast, then you basically already written. So that was totally strategic on my part. So maybe test. I it's gone. It's done. It's it's been held its trending on Twitter. It's over. Yeah. It's, it's very strategic disarray, small thing for journalists. Don't tweet your ideas just speak them on a podcast. And then you'll you'll be absolved of radio. No, I do think this is interesting because I've sort of made fun of this for a long time, where the sports writer waits until the season is over, or the free agent, walks out the door, and then unloads all this stuff that's been happening. And I was like to call that a now they tell us peace interesting. Yeah. The now they tell us and it's interesting because some of it is totally self interested. The writer is saying, okay, once Kyrie Irving leaves the Celtics, then I will tell you all the terrible things Kyrie Irving did, which of course, I could have told you over the last couple of months, but I didn't want Kyrie Irving to be mad at me. That's one part of it. But I don't think there's this other part of it, where as soon as, you know, Irving or another superstar, walks out the door, management, does, then may be come forward and say, Enin hate you, you want to hear all the bad things that we couldn't tell you he did for the last couple of months. Right. We're going to tell you. And so I do think the other part of it is that sources kind of get a little more get a little freer with information and that certainly is part of it. The movie one is fascinating because it's sorta like we have to we all know the movie's gonna bomb, I think, dark Phoenix, and even men in black, where we knew this was not going to be a giant hit. But as soon as that happens that then frees us to just point it's more of finger-pointing exercise night. Didn't have anything, if you, you know, you want to hear the executive over at Sony, or at FOX, who screwed this up. Let me tell you who it was. And that to me just reeks of like calculation. And also, like how do I get that person's job? You know, how do I how do I pay back somebody that didn't, you know, green light, my movie by, you know blaming him for the dud? Yeah. I think that's right. I mean to me, this sports this on the sports side. It's a little bit of Akayev of, you know, the, the back in the well, the, the sepia tone glory, days of, of sports journalism, when the the beat writers would would file on the team plane or fly with the with the team on the plane, they being the locker room the drinking with them late at night. They do everything they kept that out of the out of the press, for the most part. But then maybe they would sign maybe they would sign a book deal in there as they're retired part of the retirement package. And that, you know, they would let all the secrets out then but this is just happening at a much faster rate, right? I mean this is like immediately upon player x leaving the leaving the market, you can just unleash. All holy hell on him. The, the, the Hollywood thing I think you're right. I mean, it's a it's a it's, it's competitive, it's about there's a little bit of indebted others, but there's a whole lot of just sort of jockeying for continued employment in oh, if not a promotion to take someone else's job. Head hunting were someone else's job. But I think that that's I think that's a real part of it. I think that it's just. This. You know, there's a lot of sorts of writing that have exploded in the modern internet era, you know, oral history is a great example of that. And there's certain sorts of, like, quick reactive, blogging that are examples that it's sort of mind boggling, to me this though. I keep coming back to this, this sort of writing it, can they can turn it around so quickly. I mean, of course it's big on the internet. But you can it's two days later to thirty six hours and all of a sudden, we know every single thing that went wrong. It's just people are crazy. All right. David, this comes from the department of literally figuratively, one of our favorite, one of our favorite devices to monitor Alex burns, in the New York Times directed everyone's attention to this snippet from a Joe Biden pool. Report Biden was talking about his front runner status and he said, quote, I don't believe the polls right now. Guys, this is a marathon. It's true. Were ahead. It's true. We feel good about where we're going. That means two things one there's a target on my back and then Biden added that he meant that figuratively. So Joe just to clarify for listeners, Joe Biden is not apologizing for his remarks about segregationists. But he does want to clarify that he does not have a literal target painted on his back is not something painted on the back of a suit. Thank you. Joe Biden, for clarifying that, that was infected figurative statement. From Trump's bedside table. David, the redoubtable K file over CNN found this exchange where Donald Trump appeared on CNN's crossfire remember that back in the eighties, the hosts Pat Buchanan and Tom Brady start asking Trump about what he was. Reading was a great subject. Pat, Buchanan says who are your favorite authors? Donald Trump says well ever number of favorite authors. I think Tom Wolfe is excellent buchannan. Did you read vanity of the bonfires Trump? I did not can't bonfire the vantage excuse me. They go on and on and on. And then Pat Buchanan says, what's the best book? You've read besides art of the deal about Trump himself wrote, Trump's us, I really liked Tom wolf's last book. I think he's a great author. He's done a beautiful job Buchanan. Which book Trump is current book just as current book. It's just out Buchanan bonfire, the vanities Trump. Yes, and the man has done a very, very good job. And I can't really hear you with this earphone, by the way, so much going on there. Number one. In the great Michael of trick of. I can't hear the question I don't wanna Hanson. But, you know, best. Yeah, we have those rare moments where you don't like Donald Trump at you at least, there's some tiny tiny piece of you that kind of a dentist with something. But pretending you've read a popular book which Donald Trump is pretty clearly doing there with bonfire, the vanities that to me is something I can identify with when you're nodding along, as you know, I worked at one of the country's most procedures bookstores for about a year, years and years ago and pretending I'd read popular books was actually part of the job description. And I don't know if I ever, if anyone ever said that to me out loud, but it took me years and years after working at that place to de program myself at an into an to the point where I could actually remember which books I had read and which books, I hadn't read 'cause I would get the conversation with people, and they would just be like, like, oh, did you read McCullough's, John Adams? Yes. Of course I did. And here's like three fund bullet points about it like, wait a second. That's not a book, actually read. That's should I. So they hand. Sold that book to hundreds of people. That's why I know it. No way you read that book absolutely not. We did it. We need to press box where you just do ten books. You pretended to have read, and I guess, we actually might have read guess, which ones you actually opened the cover too. Oh my gosh. Yes. That's fine. That we gotta do it. It's great. I just threw this down at the last minute. Did you see the whole controversy with Chuck Todd of meet the press and concentration camps in Alexandria, Cosio, Cortez? I don't wanna go down that rabbit hole, because, frankly, it's sort of boring. But I did notice this Tim rustler snake was trending yesterday. And the reason restaurants, name, was trending sort. Of course, the deceased former host of meet the press, Chuck Todd's predecessor him was because all these people were tweeting look at this look at this Chuck Todd this feckless, Chuck Todd Tim russert would never let this happen just to, to anyone who is not old enough to remember all people did. When Tim russert hosted meet the press was contained about tim'rous. That is all they did all they did was call Tim russert, feckless for going after these weird ideas of truth and lies and everything else that sorry, this has been this is this is happen. Whoever hosts the show. So please do not use him as a prop in this debate. We see through that stop. I think it's, it's worth stating that the agreeing that the highlight packages that we see of Tim russert do of Ohka person who would not have put up with that stuff. So that's right. It is it sort of speaking of sepia tone, Washington memories, is that the media was better back in the day. You know, now it wasn't everybody complained about the media back then they just didn't have Twitter and stuff like that to do it new department. David called Texas news. You and I are both Texans. And you were worried that Florida man was getting all the national attention. And that we should refocus some of that attention on, Ted Cruz voice, the great state of Texas. Well, this Texas news story comes from Sugarland, Texas, and KP are c- channel to Jim, we just play the beginning of this clip, so we can hear and appreciate the wonders of local TV news. Neighbors upset tonight about a gator, citing in Sugarland, not because of what it might do to them. They're worried about what someone did to it. See for yourself. It appears a knife is sticking out of its head store. You'll see only onto at six o'clock that gator is a neighborhood late family say it's been there. So David just to be clear, one. There is a knife sticking out of an alligator said and Sugarland and number two, you're only going to get that here on channel two just the other station across town may have that important school board meeting that affects your kids allies. But the here on to we have got the exclusive of the knife sticking out of the gator said fan, let us continue with KP RC correspondent, so FIA Beausoleil telling the story of the gator and the knife, Aaron says the Gators keep to themselves and doesn't understand, why someone would stab one with a knife. I wanted to help them, but, you know, he is a wild animal. And you know me by myself, I didn't want to do anything. Which is why the community is asking for help, the forebade county game warden is aware of the picture. He comes back to work on Monday. And he says, that's when he will come out here and look for that gator, Aaron Weaver, the woman who found the elevator tells FOX six that may actually may be the station across town. I feel that somebody did this on purpose. Or maybe on porpoise for the for the gator. So thanks to thanks to those stations down there for a first edition of Texas news. Thanks late, laugh to appreciate that listener mail. David last week, we called for help in naming our segment about the continuing public makeover, of guy. Fieri once hated and now regarded by the media, some kind of hoagie, eating bad s or Michael elves won. The contest by proposing that we call our regular segment, fear rehab, fear rehab. So look for that on a press box near you this week. David, we talked about how Steve Bullock, the governor of Montana was one supporter shy of making the democratic debates. And we asked how long it would take David, if he was wandering around Brooklyn to find that allusive Bullock supporter will gene, Montera Sally writes, I was walking around Brooklyn this morning on the way to the gym listening to your pod, you, you could have found this guy. David, you could literally. Bumped into this guy. I am from Wyoming, gene rights, and I had no clue Bullock was running for president and it might have taken me three guesses to even come up with his name. So, gene will not be supporting Bullock or not. Or not obviously supporting Bullock, Dan, Whalen, by the listener rights indus-. I listened to the breast box at one point five speed. And when you said, gravitas, with scale that was the terrible euphemism of Ross Levinson, who is now running Sports Illustrated when you said gravitas was scale, I heard gravitas with kale, which frankly, I like better. Thanks to Dan for that one. And then Ben Gibson, I love this one referring to a segment. We did a while back about how the rock the Dwayne Johnson rock was considered a journalist by a court in a case over a lawsuit over a movie. He produced Ben rights. So with the rock, journalist item it reminded me of my old, hypothetical Indy. Wrestling gimmick. Are you ready for this David please AP styles? AP styles to be his. So terrible that I loved it. It is bad. Thanks to Ben Gibson for that one. Right. I for David shoemaker guesses these strain pun headline. No. Are you ready David the thirties will ever be? This is one from Michael Demetris who points us to an Elle magazine profile of hope solo member hope solo, they former goalkeeper. This finally, when I can sing my teeth into all right? Keep going. I was I was going to say, I think there'd been a little obscure lately. So I kind of wanted to correct back to something you actually had a chance at former goalkeeper the US women's national team. The profile is about her uniqueness. Her outspokenness some of the controversy, she's been involved in what is the headline of the L magazine profile of hope solo. Oh my gosh. All right. We had two good words here. Are you gonna let me are you gonna are you gonna tell me up top? If I should be working with hope. So hope solo or both. You should be working with only one of the two words. Okay, I'm going specify. I mean, I'm getting really hung up on solo a Star Wars story for the for the second one's. I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm going to hope that it's that it is her first name. First name that is correct. This is in what magazine in L magazine said, L magazine I mean, it's poets after she, she's out of the women, the US national team. Right. So the real it means that the really easy, one would be hope comma solo, but I'm very, very good. I was like she'd better than what it is. But, but, but continue if this were a fashion spread it could be a gown called hope. Let me see. Let's there's like I mean, high hope Ray of hope these things are not reportedly interesting loads hope, floats. I'm looking I'm actually what about? What about abandoned hope all Ye he who entered the women's World Cup? That's good stuff shows, hopefully tone. What is it? The hope solo is my best guess you have anymore, hints for me. So I assume what if what if I pointed, you toward a popular Obama era catchphrase? And so the Clinton era catchphrase would be a place called. That's not it. But the Obama euros raise would be the Dasan of hope the audacity of hope solo that is correct, laid it has both. All right. That's all right. That's fantastic. I love it. Right. They, they did at the last name. You're right. Could've just spending on Desi of hope we will the audacity of hope solo. He is David shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis. Producer is Jim Cunningham research, by Chris Almeida. We got more lukewarm takes on the media next Tuesday. And then we're back next week with two different press boxes reacting to the democratic debate. So you then David later brand. David. Going in my heart. Stop. Backless as you know, I work program David, if he was wandered around abandoned, hope, please do not doing public makeover of an inner ticket that, to me, something when you're nodding along. I think that's right. No matter what readily dumpling just out of my. White. Can't really hear you with this Airfoil by the people. How do I get that job? But in a way, that's what scares.

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The New Howard Stern, Ben Shapiro DESTROYED, and Kamala Harris Reboots | The Press Box

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The New Howard Stern, Ben Shapiro DESTROYED, and Kamala Harris Reboots | The Press Box

"Okay. It's as Kelly and welcome to the ring podcast network. The NBA playoffs are in full swing, and we have coverage across all of our channels to keep you up to speed as we make our way towards the finals make sure to check out the ringer NBA show for daily coverage of the games from each series and the ringer dot com to read Kevin O'Connor, Dan Devine and the rest of our NBA experts breakdown every key matchup and don't forget to tune in every Sunday evening to the Bill Simmons podcast to hear Bill and Ryan russillo. NBA reactions from the weekend as always these can be found on apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. David. Facebook cofounder. Chris Hughes turned heel against his old pal. Mark Zuckerberg this week. What I want to know is he's it. Okay. For us to mainstream. The phrase turned heel. I'm glad that you brought this up because the ringer dot com. Reputable website the ringer die com. Used the phrase turning heel or he'll turn in reference to a certain game of thrones character four times today by my count. Yes. That is it. I'm I'm happy that wrestling parlins is has you know, anytime it bust into the mainstream. Although I think we all wrestling fans got a little bit beaten down by the Donald Trump is pro wrestling. Essay fest of twenty sixteen to present. But yeah, I mean, listen, it's important on the Chris used front to point out that just because you turn on your partner doesn't necessarily make you a he'll I think if you're if you're cutting ties with the with the with the behemoth Facebook, you might be turning baby face for the first time in your in your wrestling career. So it just depends on who the evil guy is who the guy from the forces of light is. Yeah, you're you're saying this is actually Bill does is actually a different wrestling reference. You're saying Chris coups turned face. Yeah. He's eastern. I that's that would be my wrath the top take. No. I mean, I don't I'm not some doctrine. I don't have some hard and fast opinion on the eagles a Facebook. But I would think that that would be book face you, build just because you build into the name doesn't mean that you're that. That's what side of the spectrum you're on. I mean, listen, you can toss your partner the replay glass window, and then strut in your sure, listen, a leather jacket, and it's clear that you're turning heel. But there's definitely some splits even. Violence, splits where you know, the the the active part, the actor the aggressor ends up, you know, more of a fan favourite than before. And I think that's what we're looking at with Mr Hughes. Mr Hughes, also great wrestler. We're the ball. God. That's so and so's music of media podcast. This is the press box a part of the ringer podcast network. The press box is the media podcast. We are not allowed to be late with your post-presidential memoir. Right curtis. David shoemaker, the ringer here with three topics for your pleasure and amusement. I David Howard Stern has written a new book. And according to the journalism angle does. You're Howard Stern has matured. What do we make it? The king of oh media's grownup period. Second haha, right wing wonder can Ben Shapiro got owned on television? We mostly laugh, but we also at marvel at the invasiveness of the British celebrity interview. And finally, Kamala Harris became the latest candidate to reboot or presidential campaign. What does it say about Harris? And what does it say about reading the tea leaves of the Democratic Party all that? Plus the notebook dump and the overworked Twitter joke of the week. But first David, but the time anyone is listening to this pod. Howard Stern will have published his third book, which is called Howard Stern comes again. And by the way, David can I tell you how ninety? S that double entendre of title is doesn't it remind you of the old days when Howard was on FM and would talk about someone pleasure in themselves. Like, we were just taking this whole language of FCC, mandated language, very funny. Anyway, if you've read anything for Howard's media to her, and I know you have. Yeah. The takeaway seems to be the journalist marveling at the way, he has matured the way he is evolved. He's not a shock jock anymore. He's a long form celebrity interviewer. What do you make of his purported transformation? Well, I mean anyone of our generation who who, you know, grew up more or less listening to stern. I'm sure remember is that one of his biggest points of discussion all along the way were were the various imitators various pretenders to the throne. And I think that you know, and this is the you've talked about a lot and written about to you know, there were wanna be Howard. Stern's. Filling up the airwaves during his peak. But I think more significantly influenced the entire subsequent generation of radio and television personalities, and so that combined with the sort of general moral decline of the culture, Bradley stated, I think made anything that he was doing, you know, they don't know there's really a place for shock jocks anymore, at least not not in the same sort of sphere that same that same mode of like just sort of poking the bear, you know, rabble-rousing that sort of thing, I think you have to have a much different tack to be, you know, to be that sort of offensive these days in its in its hard to be what Howard was, and I think that that coupled with the fact that he has certainly evolved as a human being and a lot of that has come. I think probably with his time on you know, we being unserious and not being in direct competition. Looking at numbers every day to to see what to you know, to sort of put him in the position of constantly upping, the ante. Yeah, it's a two track of Lucien, isn't it? Because on the one hand, I do think reading the interviews. It did one with David. Marchesi in their times. I want the Hollywood reporter that he has gone to a lot of therapy. He his obviously discovered some things about himself and so two rethought a lot of the stuff from his radio days. And I believe that there is the part of this as a sincere transformation. I also believe part of it is probably commercially minded, I think these things tend to be complex, and we try to reduce them to one thing or the other and in fact, usually with humans, they're both. And you know, he even said in an earlier interview, I saw that you know, he was worried about his relevancy and doing those kind of jokes about race about women about sexuality in twenty nineteen ain't gonna do it. And when there's YouTube and all kinds of ways to be quoted instantly, and to get in a totally different kind of trouble that he got into you know, in the eighties nineties, it just doesn't work. You know, I think there's a commercial imperative to where it's like if I still. If I wanna be big now, or I want to be maybe even different the being big is being respected. I do need to enter this kind of grand old man of radio phase, where it's like, oh, you know. Hey, you know, he's the guy who gets stuff out of celebrities. He's a guy can sit down the other day with the Shirley's there and Seth Rogan into this big interview that everybody was quoting to me last week. I just think that is interesting as a longtime Howard Stern fan yourself and listener when you read these pieces, do you begin to think the people who are writing them, maybe didn't listen to him twenty years ago 'cause my wrong or wasn't? He a good celebrity interviewer back. Then to like, this isn't just totally new is it, no. But I think even if you were listening to him twenty years ago, I think that the I think Howard being a great interviewer with sort of you know, would have been a little bit of a take even though. It's absolutely true. Right. I mean, the the conventional I mean, the overall opinion of him had little to do with the celebrity interviewing any. I guess complimenting complementing Howard. Stern's interview skills in the nineties, would you know, kind of like reading playboy for the articles. You know? Though, I do feel it became a take it became one of those takes. Let's call it early two thousands where everybody would start saying, you know, actually Howard Stern is the best celebrity interviewer. And for the next fifteen years. Everybody thought they were making an original point you hasn't controversy Otake. And in fact, everybody had been saying this a love this little story in the Hollywood reporter stern. I'm quoting here points to an early twenty fifteen interview with Gwyneth Paltrow that we've its way from a discussion of relationships to one of oral sex as a major turning point in his career. And here's Howard talking head. I said to her Gwyneth, do you blow your husband? I'm an asshole. But sure enough we start talking and she's fascinating. And I'm getting to know her. And then she goes, and then Gwyneth proceeds to describe a sexual act on her own volition. And then Howard says so she took me there. Now now, wait a second. So the idea is in either approach you really just wanted to know about Gwen. A paltry sex life. But. The ideas, you just went a different way to get there. I don't quite see the moral thing. And again, I totally believe he's a different person. But I thought that was really funny. I wrote a piece about Howard Stern and his relationship with sportscasters who are fans of his and one thing that Joe buck told me Joe buck a longtime stern fan, and then later a stern guest a couple of times is he said the biggest thing about his interviews at struck him one that he actually pays attention to what you're saying. And he rolls with you when you answer questions rather than just kind of asking, you know, what what's next list, and he said the other thing is his he's just so self assured for a guy who has made his entire living off describing his insecurities. He is so secure in himself that he can just watch you and be like, I know what to say next. I know exactly where to go with this and bucks whole the whole thing with me was like he always says in other words, so you give an answer. And then stern goes. In other words, and kind of restates what you said that's him kind of buying time thinking about what to say. And then boom he with the next question. Tries to dig deeper. He added through interesting. I mean, he anyone that's done any sort of interviewing. I mean live or, you know, in for printer anything else knows it like the that mean, that's the key. Right. That's that's the hardest thing is to stay absolutely present. And to be so prepared that you always know where to go. But to be present enough to take what your subject is talking about and lead to somewhere. Interesting. I mean, I think it's it's impossible to overstate how much his, you know, no matter how much he's changed. How much is history. You know affects the way that he interacts with people the fact that he he got such high ratings for so long that he got every celebrity that he wanted everybody who was doing a press tour came in. And they all knew what they were getting into. And I think that the Gwyneth Paltrow examples is a is a permanent one because I think that you know, she might have gotten to that to that line on her own, but she wouldn't have gotten to that line in any. Other interview. Right. I mean, she she she. I'm sure came prepared to have a certain sort of discussion on the Howard Stern show whether or not that was outmoded or not and even in even during his heyday. I mean, we I mean, I remember you especially see it on that old each show when they had a television show that was the clips from the day's episode or whatever some of the like, the raunchier parts of the show, you could just see him sort of enduring even at the peak, you know, because like people would come in. And he would just sort of be there. You know, there'd be this sort of like put on thrill, but everybody would just roll in like knowing what it was to perform on the Howard Stern show in that. You know, your mileage may vary on how interesting that stuff is in retrospect, but he, but even even Howard, you know, it seemed like it was just there is a certain obviously a titillation. But there is like I said, it seemed like he was just kind of kind of enduring some of that at the time. Yeah. He he had some interesting things with Marchesi to that effect where he said stuff like I was just trying to get people to pay attention to me. So I would say things that I didn't believe because I would just I was so of all I wanna do is lock down people's attention at fifteen. Minute intervals, and even he would key would cut off otherwise interesting guests and just blurt things out because he was afraid the guests were boring the audience so like he had Robin Williams in there or something. And as one of the one of the things the book, he regrets how he handled a Robin Williams interview. But he'd sort of thought he feared Robin Williams was boring. Just imagine that by the way, Robin Williams who was who was who did what Howard Stern did every time. He went on the tonight show and just lit up the place. He feared Robin Williams boring. So he would cut him off here is this interested me, this is stern talking to CBS's Tracy Smith the other day when asked by Smith. What makes you a good celebrity interviewer wide? You think it is that celebrities open up to you? I think what happens is they and I've spent a lot of time reflecting on this. You know, my whole career has been about honesty, painful honesty, you know, penis size insecurities. I hate the way. I look like right now, I'm so aware this camera, and I have my glasses off, and I look horrible you down. Well, thank you. But I feel that way. And so, you know, I think that kind of honesty when people walk in they feel that expectation that maybe they should open up. It makes a lot of sense to you know, if Howard has confessed everything then surely, I can talk about, you know, my bad relationship with my dad or a my divorce from my first wife. This is not be by the way talking. This is this is hypothetical celebrity my divorce from my first wife, whatever it is. And you know, I'm never going to go as far as he did. I think that's powerful to. Yeah. I think that's right. We can talk about it all you want. I mean, there's there's a there's certainly an aspect of it that it's just there's that certain something that only he has you know, there's a way that he can make you feel at ease enough to talk about that. And and obviously, the people all different types of celebrities in in people in politics and everything else people would never say that kind of stuff, and they, you know, found their way to sang it on the Howard Stern show. I mean part of it. I think you know at the time, and this is we'll talk a little bit about our president. But it seemed like you it was sort of an opportunity to say something in a safe space. Right. The there's part of it. Like, your you know, it was accepted. If you were there, if you're on the air, it was at the time, it was it was part of the, you know, you're part of the performance. And I'm sure there's a lot of people who are just dying for opportunities to save some of the stuff that you could only say on the Howard Stern show. There's also the radio aspect of it. The the volume that he produced in our producer. Evan was saying before we started recording. You know, he found some stern fan pages where they're just like trading old, you know, just like bit torrents of rate of episodes like like trading cards, or whatever. I mean, there is certainly the the aspect of it too. It's like, you would do an interview, and it would be lost a history immediately. You know, what I mean like it's not unless it was picked up on the show. I mean, like whose recording this stuff, you know? And there is there is a safety to that too. Yeah. They'll just disappear in the radio airwaves. I like your thing about a safe space. I also think there's this weird process now where every celebrity he goes, and does the interview and does it with any level of honesty comes up more liked than when they went in. And I know on. Dr driving around listen to Syria. Sometimes I'll be like. All right. The David Crosby interview. Now somebody I don't care about at all somebody who I probably just viscerally don't like for no reason at all. But then you listen to go like an hour. Plus with stern you're like, man. That was awesome. Yeah. That was that was incredible Melissa Ethridge. And I'm like, oh, wow. Most Ethridge is bad ass. I ever had had no opinion. But anyway, I've just I I just think that's so funny because I think that's actually to me the most surprising thing because you know, his old is old personality him screaming at Richard Simmons or something. And you you just kind of coming out thinking, Richard Simmons's, crazy and weird stuff. But his new personality somehow transforms the celebrity into somebody like like, I said likeable or Kuo's had this incredible journey that you've been on. It's it's really wild. I think that, you know, David, sportscasters, whatever, I think, you know, that obvious, you know, an ascendant event is podcast. Passed right? I mean, how many times have we? I mean. And and I and I'm sure that a lot of podcasters the best ones like Merrin came out of radio. You know, there's a lot of connective there too. But you know, how many times have you listened to that long-form podcast and been like, oh, man. I really like who whatever athlete or comedian or actor whatever better than I ever thought I wouldn't end it doesn't really click until a few minutes in. And it takes a great interviewer in it takes a link to a period of time, which only Howard Stern is one of the blessed. Few that gut that sort of time to interview people he earned it, obviously. But but he was the only one of the few people interviewing that link for years. I don't know if you're talking about long-form podcasts with the capital Eller lowered. His I'm glad that. It's the latter on Donald Trump stern tells David marches the New York Times, Donald is a will guarded personality. I think he's actually so emotional that somewhere along the line. He had to close it off. That's a valuable technique for people who have been traumatized Donald has been traumatized. Make no mistake up. Leave his father was very difficult. Guy. That's an interesting insight also on Tiger Woods. I love Howard Stern. The sports. Media critic he says, you hated him ten minutes ago. Then he got the ball in the hole and you're redeeming him. Why did you hate him in the first place? You probably shouldn't have hated him. Then because what it is life have to do with you. And now that he was able to be number one at putting the ball in the hole you love him. Again. I don't know. That's I I kind kinda wish I'd written that piece us oh in random stern news stuttering John Melendez also has a book coming out. Go on tweets, I find it very odd. That Howard Stern has coming out with another book two weeks before mine. What does he need to buy other house in Fiji? I just I just one that that stuttering John has a book at all. But two that he would think that Howard. Stern's giant Simon and Schuster book release was just programmed to two aces book out I love that. That's some good stuff by cetera. John. There are David outside of the overwork Twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag that was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time. Can I start with an overworked Twitter joke lawsuit for you? Did you happen to see the peace Conan O'Brien wrote in variety with the title my stupid lawsuit, or he discusses the fact that he settled a case with a man who had claimed that O'Brien in his writing staff stole jokes. Oh, right Twitter account. Uh-huh. And also stole jokes from this guy's blog. A Brian's piece on the one hand is his very carefully written thing where you can see that. He's come to this conclusion where he's trying to concluding the case. I want to you know to overrun anything. But essentially, he's making the point that it sort of impossible to write original Joe comedy anymore. He is essentially just talking about the overwork Twitter joke of the week in his way. And that you know, we all come up with the same lines at the same time in even site. Some of the times that he and multiple late night. Hosts had the same joke on the same night. It's just funny to me that we gave everybody the tools to write gags. And this is the reason we do this everywhere because it's just funny and that everybody comes up with the same jokes. And even the professionals come up with the same jokes. The people who are paid to be funny anyway, that's funny. Anybody wants to check it out. Please do in other overwork news. Here's a tweet from the hill. David Sarah Sanders, who is of course, Trump's practice secretary hopes people remember her as being transparent and honest. Yeah. It was nowhere Twitter joke to have some fun with that. I really hope people will remember me someone tweeted as a power hitting gold glove center fielder for the Red Sox. I hope people remember me as Livia to Havilland what a poll that as I hope. And Finally, I hope I'm remembered for winning the WWE heavyweight championship and an Oscar for my performances Godzilla, thanks to Josh Sandon for that one. Some overworked Twitter low hanging fruit. Did you see the new coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers is university of Michigan coach John beeline? Yeah. It was a very easy of Twitter joke to say you could say he made a beeline a Michigan. Thanks to Cheesehead sports nut. It was very overworked Twitter joke that I don't understand. But I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna catch up when I get back to the states to say next week on game of thrones. The target area administration announces infrastructure week. I think believe. That I believe that has to do with the plot to his thanks to skirt Rambus for that. When our David topic number two. We gotta talk about Ben Shapiro. Oh, man. Okay. How much did you enjoy? This is mostly a ha ha I've got very little agenda here. But how did you how much did you enjoy? The Ben Shapiro clip of him getting interviewed about his new book on the BBC. I mean, I'm glad that we're doing multiple segments on new books. I think just for the literacy of our country. That's an important step. Amen. Yeah. That was it was it was quite a show, man. I mean, just one of the one of the all time, I don't know how deep I should get into this right off the bed. But I mean, the reason why this is great for anyone who's wondering like who the hell is Ben Shapiro, or why do we care? Ben Shapiro is the I would say the the leadings of new media conservative it when it comes to X destroys, why YouTube videos, and he is, you know, amongst a younger audience. I think this sort of the the sort of economy of debate club conservatism. And obviously, he's very. A young, and that's part of his calling card to he's been around since he was a a wee lad. So yet, it's pretty impressive though, that his greatest moment in the sunlight exists only on kind of ironic terms, right? I mean, the reason why this is blow blew up so much is because he got destroyed. He got owned. He got you know, his he got served up what he purports to serve up on a regular basis. And now, it's it's you know, it's online everywhere to. Yeah. I was also struck. I mean, I mean that that's the first part of this. Right. Is you get out of the nice bubble? Where people who like you are interviewing you, or you're just destroying college kids who are kind of helpless. Yeah. And it goes badly the second part of this to me, this even more interesting is just the fact that you submitted to a British interview and kind of belatedly found out what a British interview is about his. Interviewer on the BBC was injured. Neil who Shapiro at one point. We listened a little bit of the end of this. Yes. Fleming's that we play just a little bit of the end of the greatest interview in the history of books, and I've never had until that brief myself this. That's not the issue. You have. It's an interesting book. But my point is you book claims from time to time your book is well done so several times and I'm about to do. So again, if you would let me just finish the question, you bet. Turning on Judeo Christian values in this senators voting. What are the values that studying? It's back on. I, you know, I'm not inclined to continue in interview with a person is badly motivated as you as an interview or so I think we're done here. I appreciate your time. All right. Well, thank you for you time, and for showing that anger is not part of the American physical just goes, not Mr. Shapiro. We'll say goodbye. Amazing. My goodness. His entire reputation is sort of a lot of his reputation is based on this. This sort of boasts that he could you know that if given equal footing in a in a in a fair playing field and even playing field he could beat any live in debate. And he goes up against someone who's not even a liberal and who's not even trying to debate him, and he just sort of melts under the pressure. It's it's a little bit of a mind boggling, but you know, thoroughly enjoyable experience. Yeah. I mean, if anybody who thinks that as Shapiro did briefly that Andrew Neal is a liberal, and that that was the reason he was questioning him roughly about his book, I would invite you to check out the political positions portion of meals Wikipedia page, especially his views on climate change in HIV aids. He he's not a liberal in fact runs the company that owns the media company that owns. The spectator. The long conservative magazine. The funny thing about this is is I think Shapiro's just so not used to television interviews working like this. I have no doubt in America that lots of print interviews work like this where the person asking the questions is. You know, being skeptical is playing devil's advocate is taking flimsy ideas, and challenging the person who's being interviewed or on the book tour in this case to try to defend them or to try to bolster them. But that doesn't really exist on television in the United States outside a what like the political Sunday shows. Maybe I mean, I I was just thinking about this while I was watching this clip. What on American television is like this at all even with you know, polite sort of pushback. Yeah. I mean, certainly not much when. It comes to politics. Right. I mean, it's you're either. I mean, you're almost always going into friendly territory. And when you're not you're kind of very aware immediately aware that that's where you're headed. Are you? Sure, you get a heads up from your publicist. It's sort of surprising that he that. He was that. He was so surprised or so caught off guard by this interaction. But, but yeah, I mean, I just can't imagine as crazy as it is. I just can't imagine any place. Like, you said for polite pushback, and you could tell by his answer some of these questions about early abortion and various other things that he was either not in the mood or not prepared to to to answer these questions. For. I can't do the pod tonight. I was at a thing that the guardian had here, and it was the guardian live featuring Tony Blair, and it was like an hour and a half. And what was so funny? It was it was a journalist from the guardian interviewing him. And of course, what Tony Blair wanted to do more than anything was peacock about Brexit and lay into everyone left, and right who was responsible directly or indirectly for the Brexit mess that the UK now finds itself in but the interviewer was like, let's talk eight Mr Blair. Let's talk about your for like twenty minutes about your immigration positions when you were PM and just roughed him up really really nicely again, not being impolite, not destroying your owning anyone. But just actually having a semi confrontational tough interview and a crowd that was overwhelmingly pro Blair loved it. As far as I could tell because it was actually a stimulating discussion. And it's the way you're supposed to interview people. I was thinking like Isaac Kodner who's a Palo mine. Does his interviews over the New Yorker? I think those are great. And I think he's really really talented. But I think part of the reason people get such a charge out of those on Twitter and elsewhere is because they don't read anything like that. Yeah. That just doesn't that doesn't exist in their media diet at all. And when they see something like that like, yeah. Finally, and it's an it's an it's a it's a deficit in the United States. It really is. Because almost I I mean, I was watching blared, and I was like what American president would a be treated like that. And by the way, beasts of mitt to an interview like that, you know, in front of a crowd like what just like if George W Bush gonna go do that is Obama gonna do that? No. They're not for the most part Clinton, certainly not going to do that rather do a road show with with Hillary. Yeah. I just think that's a really interesting thing. And and again of all people to just stay. Into the booby trap. Ben Shapiro really is. And and by the way, if you want to hear the fun is wait till the BBC panel discusses the interview after enter Neil signs off their one of calls, a Shapiro nit wit. That's another great highlight. So we just Ritz talking about Ben Shapiro. What a what a time to the risk of walking headlong into our own overwork Twitter joke. There was a great. I mean, there's been a nice little mean, that's that. He saw a couple of times did juxtaposes two Shapiro tweet. Twin from may of twenty fourteen where he says the right side of history may be the most morally idiotic phrase of modern times history is not God and has no morality, and then of course, from very recently in twenty nineteen my new book the right side of history is out today. It's fantastic. And just keeps on giving. If you're a podcast and a movie fan like I am then you need to check out luminary. They've just lost a bunch of great original shows that you can only find on their platform, including a spin off of our show. 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Live on Hulu. They also got Joel to change his name for the process to Joel Hulu has live sports in bead, Damian Lillard get a tattoo that says Hulu has live sports the most blatant form of advertising ever. Clearly, they really want you to know that Hulu has live sports. And then you can watch live sports news your favorite teams, the biggest games on the top sixty plus channels for just forty five dollars a month. That's right. Follow your teams all season. No cable required. Live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. All right. David topic. Debra three we've been covering some of the democratic presidential campaigns. And at that, we should get around to Kamala Harris because even though the primary is only a few months old. We already have a another reboot. So better Aurora rebooted couple days ago. And now Kamala Harris, according to the New York Times as Jonathan Martin aced it Wesley is attempting to quote, reset her campaign. You might remember that Harris had twenty thousand people at our first rally in January, but since then her polls have had gone anywhere. And what's happened? Is you sort of stuck between being a centrist former prosecutor and trying to ride the leftward wave at the Democratic Party Martin and Wesley right in the times, some Harris advisors and allies have winced at some of the senators overtures liberals such as calling out for the calling for the eliminating private health insurance and refusing to rule out letting prisoners vote dot dot dot, these supporters believe our pool of attainable voters said. Squarely between the center and the left. What do you make of hera's attempting at this early stage to recalibrate her campaign? I mean, the other thing I heard today was that she's that Iowa voters are salty because she hasn't been spending enough time there, she's kind of putting all over chips in the South Carolina basket, it just sort of feels like I mean, I the connective tissue. There is just that. It's I don't know just like an overabundance of gamesmanship of of of of like trying to. I mean, this is not exclusive to Kamala Harris by a long shot. But also just like what you're seeing. Now with the you know, they're all these rumors going around of a potential Biden Harris ticket like did. There are already in discussions about. It is the too much to ask the people just go to Iowa and try to get votes. You know, kinda see where everything shakes out. I feel like the more that we the the more the politicians try to game the system or you know. It makes it more difficult to vote for the best candidate all the gamesmanship in the world. Isn't it doesn't necessarily add up to winning an election? Do you feel and I'm sure they have like sophisticated polling things that we don't have access to. But you feel the democratic candidates are wrestling with the is Twitter real life question that we've talked about on this body couple of times. Yeah. I think they certainly are there's a degree to which it it. It's it's inevitably real because that's gonna be, you know, the first the first responders to anything that you do say right in that ends up shaping news coverage in that ends up shaping the popular opinion. But the question about whether or not they're indicative of anything other than just some number of hundreds or thousands of voices on Twitter. I mean, I think that's something that these candidates are dealing with every day. John's the trade has this big piece in New York today about this very idea that part of what he says is he doesn't think the democratic party's has really gone to the left. As much as it might appear in one of his are the arguments he makes is that are one of the pieces of evidence. He points out is it, you know, AO see has in many ways become the face of the Democratic Party. And there's two forces doing that one is Fox News which would love to have her be for their own gruesome reasons, the face of the Democratic Party. And in the second force is allies of AO, see or people on her side of of the party, who of course, also actually do want her to be the face of the democratic part because they like her politics more than they like Joe Biden's. But he creates this kind of media sense that the Democrats are in one place, and then you look at the polls and Joe Biden is beating everybody's brains out in these admittedly, very early polls. And you know, Kamala Harris, it was I June that article I just quoted, you know, making these overtures to the Bernie Sanders wing of the party is. Really and getting nowhere with them. And then thinking, wait a second. Maybe this isn't the way the wind is moving after all, and I should just run for president. As who? I am. I just think that's fascinated because it just to me it's all gets down to how much of the energy in the Democratic Party as its comes out in the media is just you know, shock and awe, and how much of it is actually the party in its voters moving one direction. I think that's a a really valid question. But I think that it's difficult. I think that that's an issue that that candidates in the voting public and we in journalism should be wrestling with on a regular basis. I also think that there's a certain sort of candidate that that will transcend the problems that this system, you know, that that that juxtaposition creates and and maybe in some ways it is a good. It's a good testing ground to see how the various candidates deal with such things. You have maybe maybe they'll bridge the two parts of the party or maybe they'll be just like Hillary Clinton and just win anyway. Yeah. And and then. And then the party will have to figure it out. You mean seal the nomination, Brian boys? And to go back to the the Biden Harris point, there is a big piece in appeasing politico today where Congressional Black caucus senior members are putting forward this idea that Biden Harris would be the dream ticket to be Donald Trump. So I mean, I this is this is silly season already though, don't you think I mean that that that actually would be an appealing ticket for the Democrats in a lot of ways. But this just feels like oh my God. We're this is a new dangerous phase of the of the media where we're already into dream ticket. Phase it is it is in an listen. I mean, the you can you can have great affection for both of these candidates, and I have some measure affection for both of them. But I mean as well as Biden is doing in the polls, as you know, intriguing is as the Harris candidacy has been I mean, both of these campaigns have been politically just sort of caught flatfooted at various points already. And I, you know, this feels more like a PR pushed in. Strategy are David list, dude, the notebook dump quickly topic number one. The most important news story in the world. Barack Obama's taking too long to write his book. This is from Edward Isaac devere over at the Atlantic Obama's memoir, which many people at that was going to come out and twenty nine hundred won't be published this year, according to a person familiar with the writing process, what do you make Bama taking some extra time to really, you know, iron out those transitions matures kicker chapter kickers go. Well, why listen this is this is this is what happens when you hire someone to write a book in the actually write the book, you know? I mean, if it's it. I mean, I remember when both oh when when both both both Clinton volumes came out, and you were just like, wait. They wrote like this person road eight hundred pages in the time between if you know, the publishing industry, those probably, you know, delivered nine months before the book hit the shelves meeting. Just they turn around so quickly often with almost always with the help of a some degree of ghost writing. And you know, I'm sure that that Obama is probably getting some some amount of help. But he's always been. Very proud, you know, author, and my guess is. That's what's holding up the process here. What do we make of the end of Edward Isaac, the tweet where he says, according to a person familiar with the writing process is that is that like a joke on the basketball source close to the process thing. It must serious. I got I hope so I really hope so loyal listener bent ks. More noted something David that. I also notice last week, which is a few times you've referred to the democrat primary democrat. Yeah. And party. Yeah. Instead of the instead of the democratic primary which sent a direct message about this. And I went I didn't I did actually demented. I meant to mention it. It might be the same person. What do you have to say for yourself? This is that's a hyper corrective, I believe I think it's important. It was locked into my head that people say this incorrectly. And I and I ended up doing it just like when people overuse, I when they should be saying me, I've I've I've ruined the way that my brain works in my mouth works by trying to be more, right? Than is necessary. David is not a right wing apparatchik. Could not tell from the rest of the podcast, I mentioned this earlier day. But Kamala Harris is not the only one rebutting his or her campaign. The AP reports that Betto Aurora is quote reintroducing his candidacy. It's time has gone viral and a Rourke will appear on Maddow, and the view V is not already to reintroduce his candidacy. So we are officially at Beto reboot. I just love this because it's it's such a great. These both pieces included. Lots of really interesting details about what the two candidates were. Thank you. But it's it's sort of a good way to get attention. Isn't it to say, I'm I'm ready to reboot my candidacy? I'm gonna go to the press and say LA staffers, Jj, boys. Let me let you in on my thinking here. Yeah. I mean, it it it it, you know. I mean, I'm sure there's some some advisers that would say chose weakness. But I think it also you could say chose him, you know, flexibility, and you're right. It does it does get attention. Now. It depends. I guess it remains to be seen how hungry for attention. So someone like better work will be. I mean, I think that appearing on motto is a good move. And at times, I wonder why you know these series. These top line candidates aren't spending more time on MSNBC, you know, at least on the primetime shows, but especially in the primary season, but you know, the view I mean, I guess we wonder if there's betting odds on whether or not Beto be standing on the standing on the table during his appearance there that I think that'll that'll tell us a lot about how hungry for attention. And that was part of the reboot that he had to stop standing on tables. I mean, he he better was weirdly shamed. In so many different ways. Upon getting into the primary. It is. That is just a just a just a weird wild story of someone getting hit with a ton of attention to that bombing out really quickly. The only other thing I have down. Here is the Trump calling Buddha. Judge Alfred Newman and. Which was won an incredibly dated reference. As yet judge was quick to capitalize on number two. I am genuinely interested. What what should the media do when that happens because there was a politico story going around about this? I think the interview where he gave it was political. And they're like three authors on it making fun of it. What do you do when Trump says something like that? How do you handle it? That's a great question. I have no idea. I I mean, do you had a response there's a back and forth. So that's the thing. But he just is it just buried in an interview. I mean, what politicos doing I think you could probably argue the politico doesn't really think it said important anyway, but it kinda comes down to do. We aggregate our own interview transcript or just leave it in a piece and let somebody else find it. That's one of the big it's one that's one of the, you know, the great discussions in modern media. Do we self aggregate? Yeah. It it's the politico is not exactly, you know. It's not a, you know, pop culture website that could that could put up a list ical about, you know, ten times offered he Newman entered politics or whatever. But, but but there does seem to be a little bit does seem to beg for a little bit of a explanation or backstory there, I want some some of those funny mad magazine headlines from our youth where we'll be like in Wikipedia blue cover, and it'd be like NYPD black. Socially, throwing up or something like that. I did find this funny for even tweeted this from the politico story, so they're writing about Trump in this this the offer Newman bit in quote, somebody anonymously listen to this Trump believes if you can encapsulate someone in a phrase or a nickname, you can own them a person who knows Trump said in a recent interview, low energy, Jeb little Marco that kinda shit really diminishes people and puts you in control of them. And that's what Trump is a genius for doing. Now, did we need to grant someone anonymity to say that Trump is trying to own someone or control them by giving them, a nickname? Did we not do we not know that? I mean, that's just like what? Now, it's really to me that is just really strange, right? Tie for David guesses. The terrible pun headliner. Book title now day, David. Let's go. All right. Come on. Do you? I had a couple of options. But should we just do cetera? John melinda's memoir. Oh my gosh. The difficulty here the difficulty here is that is that he's he's certainly done other memoir. He's written other books. Right. He has. I mean, I would assume that he that in the Howard Stern private parts heyday. When like everybody was churning out books. I assume that he had won it is it's hard to imagine. He hasn't. But I the way why why was Howard Stern's book not called the second coming. I guess he's done more than two moons. He's already done a second book. So the third believe this is I believe this is stuttering John's first book, but this is all I'll give you this. It could be the it is kind of like a generic stuttering John memoir title, if she wanted to if you really I mean for some reason, maybe I'm just stuck in the nineties. My brain Amelie goes to settling John's bathroom reader, which would be funny if you are familiar with a certain sort of publishing from the nineties. Yes, that's funny. How that the did? I stutter. Ooh. That's. Pretty good. It's not Ed. That's it's not at though dang. That's what I would add. You're right going for the one thing that people know about sitter, John, though, it is it is a speech related book, title fi talk. I don't know. I don't know. I I think I've gone as far as I can go the memoir title is easy for you to say. Oh, that's great. Pretty good. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. He got some good advice. I'm very excited to see what cetering John to say. After a lifetime. You know, working in media. Maybe maybe young reporters that listen to the show can can get something valuable from that. Yeah. Had asked a question. So welter crooked on the red carpet. All right. That's the press box with this week. He's David shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis. Evan the man we do do we do. We do. We think Jim Jim Cunningham at this part of the we do we thank Evan Campbell. What do you think the what's the proper? Thank you have cable for free hand. He's up killing bears feces dead. 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"Hey guys, welcome to the ring podcast network. It's list Kelley, host of ti-time exciting news happening across the podcast network, your favorite celebrity pop culture. Podcasts are moving out of channel thirty three and enter their very own feed called you bring your dish on ringer dish. She can still listen to jam session on Wednesdays and teatime on Fridays, and we'll be launching a brand new show that will publish every Monday starting with a deep dive on J lo and Ben Affleck's infamous relationship hosted by Amanda Dobbins and Juliette Libman. So to hear more about the real family, and our current celebrity obsessions subscribed to ringer dish on apple Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. David some observers were struck by the fact that when Donald Trump took a diplomatic trip to London. He brought his adult sons, Don jR, and Eric and daughters and daughters. What I want to know is what age is too old to go on a family vacation with your parents. Well, no ages, too old you. It's always great to spend time with your family. And if you can do it on a lovely trip that all the better, but they're did seem to be there is just a weird Ovide, that's inherently odd and it special specific to the American presidency. And I guess, in some ways, the British monarchy where you're always, like, like the big baby son, like my like someone's large baby son, until I mean, as long as they're like, you know, president that you go along kind of at the grace of your father, Donald Trump, who is invited you on this. It's like did Donald Trump? And he does you saw them standing there in their little tuxedos or whatever the whole fan all the kids sitting across, and you do imagine Don Trump, like I don't know if you'd call his kids, but like dictating a memo to his kids saying, great news, I've got a I've got a Chateau or a got a palace rented for us in London. I be happy to cover airfare. Just let me know if you can make it, you know, I mean with. Like an Airbnb link just to kind of Tyson, become alone. Yeah. Exactly. Here's some pictures of, of the view on of Big Ben from the window, or whatever this is like the reverse right? Because your parents are usually begging their adult children to come with them on a vacation, you could tell they were really wanted isn't going to be that bad. Yeah. But this in this case, the kids, the kids at elites themselves on they wouldn't they wouldn't have given it up for the world. He appearance offer is usually like it's a really great beachfront property. There's not gonna be any WI fi. I'm not sure if that matters, see you, but, you know, and we have to be any if you come you have to stay the whole week. You know, next thing we are the poop cruise of media podcast. This is the press box a part of the ringer podcast network. L O media, consumers, Bryan Curtis. David shoemaker of the ringer here on your twice weekly press box podcasts David, I'm still not used to it. Lots of great stuff to get to on today's show, including Joe Biden cereal, plagiarism, barstool sports, and Duncan Hunter, a new job for America's favourite Canadian the overworked Twitter, joke of the week and much more of a back to Trump in London. David when some people travel, they make time for lying on the beach. Trump makes time for gas lighting, you know, he'd reserves put aside and afternoon this, I think was the first example when he was speaking to British reporters in the Oval Office actually before he left Trump said this about Meghan Markle now, Meghan news now. The duchess of Sussex a different name. She can't make she's got maternity. Leave a certain see because she wasn't too nice about you during the campaign at didn't if you saw that I, I didn't know that now. No, I hope she's ok. I did not know that she such a move to Canada. If you go to lighted Tanaka move to Britain. A lot of people moving here. So what can I say? No, I didn't know that. She was nasty. So that story was dated June one, and then on June. Second Trump tweeted, I never called Megan Markle, nasty made up by fake news media, and they got caught cold. We'll see New York Times and others apologize doubt it. Trump has earned no benefit of the doubt on any of these questions. And he is obviously lying here. But is is it a little weird that the British reporter kind of teed up? And then, you know, getting understand like if I if somebody said, you know, David shoemakers been running, you down all over the ringer office. And I said, I had no idea David was being nasty about me, and then somebody said, did you call David nasty and being well kinda? Yeah. No Guyana no-no. Somebody got goaded me into it. No, this is this. This is a weird moment. It's caused me to slightly various slightly reevaluate the, the entire litany of Trump's public lies. Like, in wonder how many of them are actually just total sit like mealy mouth cement semantic issues because he wasn't. I mean he really like it's not that far from the tree. I don't think it's stretching the truth too far even though like you said, he's he gets no benefit of the doubt. But it's not searching the truth too far to be like, no, you just said, I didn't know she was nasty is, is could flip pretty clearly be construed as in being like I didn't know she said a nasty thing now, whether or not you should have said that. And whether or not it's just like idiotically myopic, not just to beat not just to cut to answer any question about her with, like, how great, it is that there's an American Princess and whatever you know what a great metaphor for our relationship or something. But I don't think that it's a straightforward read to say that he was saying, Meghan Markle is a nasty person based on the audio these trips are largely about, you know, diplomatic hand, holding we're, we're having no great policy is going to be made with Trump in the UK. And I think at the end of the day, it's about images right in the least in terms of the media. We're curious and with Trump, we're like ten thousand times more curious about what this is going to look like E N. We wanna see Trump squeezed into a tuxedo with the hunched over Queen walking next it, we want to see what that looks like. And by the way, it's incredible. We want to see what it looks like when Jared Nevada are in a high room of Buckingham Palace staring out the window. Just what, what would that look like? And by where we're going to return to that in, in a bid here in the ovoid Twitter joke. So, I think it was on the one hand is this trip was about images on the other hand, it was about fact checking because Trump was there for three days and just an incredible number of things happen, believe in his press conference with Theresa May prime minister of the UK. He said, we are your largest partner, you're our largest partner. He's talking about trade. A lot of people don't know that I was surprised. Amid that statement yesterday. And a lot of people said, gee, I didn't know that they may have said that they didn't know that because that is actually not true. You k is not our largest partner. China is you case as many factors pointed out in that same presser with Theresa May. Trump also said this about the protests. There were raging in London, as far as the protests, I have to tell you because I commented on it yesterday. We left the prime minister the Queen the Royal family, there were thousands of people on the streets cheering and even coming over today, that with thousands of people cheering, and then I heard that they would protest. I said, where are the protest? I don't see any protests. I did see a small protest today when I came very small. So a lot of it is fake news. I hate to say, but you saw the, the people waving the American flag waving your flag was tremendous spirit and love that was great love. It was an alliance and I didn't see the protests are just a little while ago and it was a very, very small group. Of people put in for political reasons. So it was fakeness. Thank you. So much there, by the way, it was an it's an alliance. A love that. Yes, yes. We do have an alliance with the Brits. And number two is Trump searching for the words Union Jack there when he saying your flag is a flag. That, that's what I was thinking panic, flashing across the Montecristo, where tens of thousands of protesters in the UK. Some of whom had the Trump baby balloon flying overhead by the great moments in death Wikipedia pros. The balloon depicts Trump as an angry orange baby holding a smartphone. Official description. Thank you went to pedia. Yeah. That's funny. I enjoyed this, David. There's a lot of times when you have a diplomatic trip, there's a big negotiation about the venue because it's important for the pictures. Right. Trump was meeting after his trip time in the UK with Irish prime Minister, Leo Vaud car o. And according to the job in LA buyer, Trump wanted to have the meeting at one of his golf courses as one does as one does. It's nice ad for the golf course the PM was not into that and countered with the suggestion, they should do it at an ancient Irish castle who? Yeah, there's some romance to that. Yeah. Kind of nice little BBC weekly kind of vibe, their weekly Shokhin vibe, the compromise. Lamar reports was the VIP lounge at Shannon airport just down the hallway from the food court. No, no. Yeah. That's a little less romance in that option. So if this becomes a huge moment in the annals of American diplomacy do we think these will be known as the borrow accords would what name wouldn't name can, we give them the airport stand by the Chili's to accord? What are the what Chili's to packed? I like that. That's fantastic. What are what are the ones that are only exist? Are there any that only exists in airports anymore, or they all chains at this point if you're flying JetBlue JFK? There's the cheeseburger, cheeseburger packed Batelco for that. How about how about the bookstore that looks pretty good, but doesn't actually have anything I wanna buy courts. It's just like a po- is just like a like a like a an optical illusion. It's like a poster that looks like it looks like a stack of books would really, you just think you go to grab it and knocks it over, and it's just like seventy five copies of self magazine on the day will bind Hudson, fake news. Oh. As I said, so three days in the UK and an amazing amount of Trump content. The New York Times called it his split screen persona on the one hand. He is, you know, doing all this pomp and circumstance with the Queen and on the other hand, he is just, you know, firing off like Scarface against his opponents got into it. London. Mayor city con refuse to meet with labor leader. Jeremy Corbyn called for a boycott of AT, and T because he was watching CNN coverage while he was traveling, according to the Washington Post, I guess, Fox News, maybe was not coming through another amazing moment. He tweeted about Bette midler, whom he called a washed up, psycho, quote unquote. Wow. I'm stealing. I'm stealing this from someone on Twitter. I am Joe Biden doing this and I and I'm not on purpose because I just forget who said it but, you know, there, there was a a an objection raise that Trump was tweeting about Bette midler in the middle of the night. And somebody on Twitter who I will promise I will credit. Next week said, what is the proper time of day for the American president to be feuding at Miller on Twitter? Yeah, I think there's a lot of this trip. I mean part of our obsession with it is, well, I mean, we as Americans are obsessed with, you know, the British monarchy in with the UK of germ number of reasons that we don't need to execute totally here. But we're, I think we're particularly interested in Trump going there, and even more. So time for the entire Trump clan going there in the sort of, like, you know, national Lampoon's vacation aspect of the whole thing. And just seeing this, you know, in saying just because there's, you know, when, when Donald I mean, when, when Brock Obama goes to England, even when George W Bush went England, you know, the there is there was much less. There is much less. It felt like there, there is less likelihood that something would go awry or that something wacky would happen with the Trump, visit feels like anything's possible. But also feel like going back to the Meghan Markle nasty comments. And even just talking about the and the tw-. But you were just mentioning, but the entire trip I feel like it's, it's this Amana feel like I'm doing a lot of Trump apology, this time, I tell you this entire trip is just like a practice and exercise in holding holding him responsible to the, the kind of level of propriety that we know he won't adhere to is anybody going to make a big deal. The fact if he said that exact same nasty comment about any other minor American celebrity that said something about him three years ago. No, no. That wouldn't matter. But now she's married into British royalty. And so there's this might be a an issue of national politics like, I'm not. I mean, I guess that there is that there. But like again, this is not a l- like Trump has not reached some new low in the on the propriety scale or by doing that. And I think it's the same thing about tweeting when other stuff's going on or whatever wearing a misfit tuxedo. The, the, the whole thing this feels like we're not none of us are surprised by anything, if feels like an opportunity to go back to early like the best of album of our Trump Trump jokes because he's doing it in a new stage. We should we. Should ban the phrase, new low from Trump comers, just over you way way, way over overused. I totally agree with everything has just said. And I would just add did you see David Ross thing in deadspin about our fascination? This is also partly because Trump style is actually Royal style, the kind of the kind of the kind of grandiosity the velvet the kind of, you know, the kind of ridiculousness that is that is kind of the aesthetic that Trump crave. So desperately as run points out. And so when he's standing next to the Queen, and when he's when he's getting his Royal visit, he's just, he's just, he's loving that on, I'm famous than I'm being treated with respect. I think I deserve but also just on a pure like I am I'm here baby, you know, this, this is what I want. This is these are these are the red carpets that I have literally, you know, constructed in my own life. And, and I think that's fascinating to his home in a way. You know, he's he's made it if he wasn't. If he wasn't president, he would be a minor Royal, I think that's the best thing we can say at this moment. David time for the overworked Twitter, joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. That was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time someone asked about our new twice weekly podcast, scheduled does this mean is now at the biweekly Twitter joke. No, it doesn't it just means that I'm even more desperate. So please send them to the at the press box pod, and thank you to everyone who did about that. Trump tour of Europe. David, and about that photo of evocative. Jared Kushner, looking out the window of Buckingham Palace with haunting thousand yard stairs. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. Very odd moment. It was an overworked Twitter joke to write the new flowers in the attic movie. Look, scary, thanks to C Brits for that one. Always nice to have V C Andrews jokes, by the way, here on the press box. More like that. In other Trump news on Tuesday, vodka tweeted on route to the Hague that was her next stop. I'm not sure we need to do the joke. But anyway, was never worked Twitter joke to right? God. I hope so fingers crossed in custody. I hope with your daddy, thanks to Matthew Benson for that one. Tweet from CNN David some sex offenders in Alabama, according to CNN would be ordered to pay for chemical castration as a condition of parole. If governor Kay Ivey approves a Bill recently passed by the state legislature. Okay. So some sex offenders may be ordered to pay for chemical castration. It was an overworked Twitter joke to say a motive silence for judge ROY Moore that was I thought a pretty good one and finally this week's winner by a landslide. It was big news Wednesday on the campaign trail. When Joe Biden's campaign said that he still supports the Hyde amendment which prohibits the use of federal funds for abortions with some exceptions. Okay. So that puts Biden at odds with a bunch of Democrats who would of course, like to get traction in the race to beat them beat him skews me, one of them being Bill de Blasios or old. Pelle. Here was de Blasios tweet when it comes to supporting American women on issues like repealing the Hyde amendment. Joe Biden is Dr Jekyll. Oh my God. Okay, one. Yes. That's a bad joke. A terrible joke. Number two, the reference is backwards because if the novel Jekyll was the kindly, doctor in Hyde was the murderous double spoiler alert, if you haven't read strange case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Okay. So some funny, overwork Twitter jokes. I got admit I thought Jekyll was the bad guy to until I read the book at about age twelve. And finally, if de Blasios continues to own himself like this, I am on board with him running. So if you trolled build a Blasi about not knowing his, Robert Louis Stevenson, congrats. You made the overwork Twitter joke of the week. All right. David lots of stuff to get to this week department of plagiarism. If you are old, you may remember that when Joe Biden ran for president in one thousand nine hundred eight he famously lifted words from a speech by UK labour leader, Neil Kinnock, and now Biden has done it again. At least online Matic lacy is over at vox writes that Biden's climate plan contains a number of passages that seem to have been copied and pasted at times with very superficial changes from various advocacy advocacy organizations policy shops. And in one instance, of vox, article, the Washington Post met visor notes that Biden, duplicated language with an education plan on his website. And by the way, just a flashback a second, if you ever get a chance to see the side by side of the Neil Kinnock speeches in the Biden speeches from eighty eight. You really got it because Biden just took his biography, his biographical passages and just drop the name Biden in their images wholesale. It's really I mean Jonah Lehrer would have been impressed. It's, it's pretty credible. Couple of takeaways from the new Biden thing, and correct me if I'm wrong. Number one, are we on extremely safe ground now to say that the Biden presidential campaign or campaigns are just incredibly sloppy and the candidate sloppy the campaign is sloppy? We know have evidence, going back to nineteen Eighty-eight that this is true. Yeah. And the only wonder is that Trump has is calling him sleepy Joe instead of sloppy. Joe, which is actually a pun. This is almost like the most unforgivable sin. I mean is, as we see him like, just limping really poorly through his, you know, the, the first kind of controversy and his campaign with his, you know, a unwanted touching various people along the way. But this is an on a on a much more intellectual level this heels like the unforgivable sin because this is a problem that he could have fixed. Right. If you're not if you can't run a campaign effectively enough to, to at least disguise, what has long been proceed. And to be your greatest sin your biggest flaw than like how on earth, did, we expect you to be able to run a government like him, borrowing from Neil Kinnock is not a problem like this is not a life changing for this is not even a problem. Nearly on the scale with his you know with with accusations that have been made made against him on the campaign trail in public appearances and stuff. But from just from, from, from a just like I said, an intellectual point of view. It's really hard to get past. This is the biggest knock on you. Like you've gotta be you have to like, if you don't go in saying, there will be no no whiff of plagiarism anywhere involved in this campaign. And if there is the person responsible will be frogmarch out of the campaign headquarters at that moment, you know, like, if you're not dealing with it without a level of seriousness than, like, how are you running everything else? Yeah, I, I agree. It's not the plagiarism itself, right? Joe Biden, not a journalist and a glazing obviously didn't have anything to do with this. I mean, this is not like the like whatever like the idea sheets on your campaign. Website. I mean that's just like some functionary doing that. But they can't have this problem. Yeah. Glaciers notes that policy shops, and advocacy groups, actually wants you to adopt their ideas like the dream is for to adopt their ideas. And if they get the use of specific language, all the better. It's just it's a it's a kind of a problem of footnotes there, and Joe Biden is John journalist etcetera etcetera. But you're right. It keeps happening. Nothing about his camp, nothing, but his relatively small and relatively new campaign has been smooth. And you know, why isn't why don't we look at this and think a Joe Biden presidency would be, you know, lots of small fires happening every day. I get, you know, it just I mean, you know, the, the, the Trump campaign showed that the Trump was a pretty good preview of the Trump presidency in terms of functionality. Right. It was not. I mean, it's that was that was a controversy a day, a crazy. Thing, a day people who aren't qualified running it, and thus the Trump presidency. But the Biden, the Biden thing seems like in very different terms to be a pretty effective preview in the same way. Yeah. I think so. I think so I think that I think that a lot of liberals would find it hard to go back through all the Knox they've met head against the Trump White House and the Trump campaign before and not be able to relate some of those critiques to with Biden is going through right now the official response from his campaign to the first set of plagiarism charges was voters know Joe Biden, and I feel that, that is going to be the ultimate talisman that they hold up whenever he does something like this voters. No, this man, they know they know Joe Biden E L, there may be plagiarism on his website, but they know Joe Biden, he may he may miss speak. He may, you know, be having a really limited schedule. He may be doing this. He may be well to the right of a lot of his opponents voters know Joe, bud. That is the whole cell of this campaign. There is nothing. There are some essence some no ability about Joe Biden, that literally nothing you see. Can possibly distract from? That's the bet they're making it really is. And we will see how that holds up. Yeah. I mean, I think that's one of the I mean, it's we're talking about no ability. This is the most like unknowable thing possible. I mean, I guess there's some echoes to the proclamations were making about the Trump campaign and that which which bore out to be true, right? That he was speaking to a swath of American voter voting public. That would had not been spoken to directly before it cetera. Like I said, a lot of that sector. Nets be right. I think that voters know Joe Biden. I think that there's probably the end of the day, a lot of truth to that. But in and I think that certainly in so much as people know, him, they probably know him, they probably reflect positively on them more so than, you know, when you there's not a lot of people, I take the number of people who when they think about Joe Biden. Think about plagiarism it takes relatively low, but, you know, Biden's also bite in a lotta ways is also the sort of establish when one of the establishment. Six if not the establishment pick. And if this kind of stuff drags him down in like the MS NBC primary, then it's going to have a real effect on his campaign. I've got a note here, David that says barstool sports and possible war crimes. We've, we've finally arrived, we all knew that day was coming. You should never have named yourself L presidents aid. Last week over at the barstool military podcast zero blog thirty could go by the way could have been the strain pun contest. Congressman Duncan Hunter, who's from the San Diego area was interviewed by the hosts who are known as chaps and bursts tool. Kate. They were discussing special operations chief Edward Gallagher who is facing a court martial for stabbing to death a allegedly stabbing another young Islam estate fighter who had been captured among other charges Duncan Hunter, the congressman had defended Gallagher and said that he would encourage Trump to pardon Gallagher Gallagher winds up being convicted, let's listen to a little bit of that discussion. Even if everything that the prosecutors say is true in this case, then, you know, Eddie Gallagher's should still be given a break, I think even these saying, even if he did, like take a knife to the threat of the fighter even though that goes against our role join there, and I don't think I think the thing saying this is not part of the. And I think this, this guy was going to die anyway, because I've seen the video once again, so then even if you're saying like you don't care that I win though that goes against I support him. Yeah. Well, I just feel like. It's such a slippery slope, and it goes against our honors. So agreed ously if that is the case, maybe it is, or isn't, but I don't know. I just have a hard time, do George Moose while I was an artillery officer, and we've fired hundreds of rounds and Volusia, right? Joel probably hundreds of civilians, if not scores, if not hundreds of civilians, probably killed women and children, if there were any left in the city when we invaded. So do I get judged, too. Wow. Yeah. That was that's quite an interview, by the way. And, and I think having listened to it and then listen to the discussion that the two hosts have had afterward. A really remarkable interview, I think the sort of gotten mischaracterized on Twitter that. Yeah. Did you know that hunter was? You know, sort of casually admitting to doing too bad axe in Iraq. And that somehow because of the very well earned reputation of the barstool universe at the hosts were like chuckling, along with them or something like that. In fact, they were pushing back and in the in the kind of post interview discussion chaps, who is one of the host came on and said, you know, thinking about it that, in fact, maybe there really shouldn't be a difference between what Gallagher is charged with which is killing someone who is in custody and firing indiscriminately into a civilian population, which Duncan, hunter's seems to be admitting that he did you know that these are all, you know, we can we can judge them on their own various moral scale. But these are all bad axe. Yeah, I just thought this was a fascinating interview and encourage people to listen to the whole thing. But it it is it is so interesting. Both of the host of the podcast, our veterans, so they have interesting footing to come at this and footing. Which you? Is really about holding the military to certain ideals and not an and again, it's just it's remarkable that this would be a, a score for anyone from the New York Times on down to have a congressman saying that bluntly, even if he killed someone in cold blood. Yeah. I support this guy. Yeah. I mean I think that I mean obviously, it's a very personal thing from it for him. And, and maybe it would have been a little bit easier for wonder wrap when minds around if he had come to it. At that from the very beginning saying, I have a very personal experience with with this situation, and I come to it on a personal level, but from a Leo from a legal point of view. And as a sitting congressman in a one would hope it who, who is, who is involved who's made himself a, you know, a part of the story, one would hope that they'd be a little bit more be able to be a little bit more circumspect. But really, I mean this is the same. This is the same thing, as I mean, if it's similar in a lot of ways to the torture debates of the George W Bush administration, which where people. To use the twenty the show twenty four as an example, why torture should be legal without calling in with without actually just wrestling with the most like light up a joint and talk about your philosophy one. Oh, one class sort of aspect to it. Which is like, yes. No, it should be illegal. And if you do something like this on a twenty four type time of national emergency, you will be pardoned or you will be you will not be sent to jail for your crime, and this, and I feel like that's kind of what he's wrestling with here that he's just like, like, yeah. If someone like these things need to be illegal, people should soldiers should be tried for these things. If there is a if there's a justification or if there's a rationale if there's mitigating circumstances, even up to, including PTSD, then yeah. There's like those could be mitigating circumstances. When it comes to comes to the penalty, but he's just too close to this. And I think that, that he's. Not doing him. Not doing any not. I mean not doing Edward Gallagher any good service by aligning himself with it. But maybe is knows yeah. There was also stories about Trump Trump head, you know, stated that he was interested in pardons for several for several of these military members who were accused of work crimes now apparently heard so much blowback to that even among his staff that he stepped back from the brink. Andrew anyway. Interesting interview, and I highly recommended think both of us saw the first episode of the new New York Times television show. The weekly the daily is the podcast. The weekly is a show that debuted Sunday night over on FX. What did you think of it? I thought it was good. I thought it was thought it had a, you know, a lot of the what was the other show. What was the other inside the New York Times show that was on Showtime, or whatever that'd be the fourth estate, the fourth estate? It had a lot of the, this sort of melancholy move. The state very good word. Yes. I mean obviously the point here was not. I mean, the fourth estate was a lot of trying to press for de the principles of journalism, the, the, the legacy of the institution of journalism, and this was more just telling a story. I mean, in a very I don't, I don't think that I don't know the comparing it to vice news, does it any service or whatever. But that's I'm sure the reference that most people will most listeners will will understand it was a single subject. That was not purporting itself to be the story of the week. It was just sort of a deep dive into a story that was being reported untold story, the ran last November in the pan. And I think that there's a lot of value. I mean I thought I thought I was I was compelled by honestly, it was, you know, maybe more southern vice news, maybe the point of comparison is just like it felt like a good podcast. Stylistically to me it fell somewhere between vice in an air Morris documentary. Yeah. Because it was just it was just that does that kind of feel melancholy is exactly right. Because both the fourth estate in this had the sense that the times is operating in this treacherous uncertain world reporters in real life smile, by the way on shows. They never smile. They're always very serious about their work, people, people even I've seen reporters smile, and make bad jokes when they're reporting a serious story, it really happens. But in this city to reporters, Eric L Greene, and Katie Benner, who are investigating. We should set this up a school in Louisiana that had a remarkable record of sending African American students and other students to elite universities. They go in and show what is already happened. And those kinds of things I think I find what is what is so compelling to me about this. And maybe this is just you. And I but when they showed the reporting process itself, so they're. Couple of moments in this, they give the guy who runs the school a chance to respond. In fact, they say now it's time to give them a chance to respond and, you know, we see them calling up and when they call him up he actually volunteers a battery allegation against a student at the reporters hadn't heard about. They had one allegation, but he gives them another. And then they go back and look at the police reports and an amazing instance of a subject sort of fessing up to something that you didn't even ask them about. Yeah. There's also then he brings them down to Louisiana into this room. And there's all the kind of students, and he's kind of obviously, you know, his, his success stories are all around, and, you know, he's sort of using it as a chance to charm them. And think, okay, they'll show them the students and they'll and they'll be convinced or at least mitigate the story a little bit. And then one of the things they found out that this guy did was make all the students kneel on the ground ask who, who around here is kneeled, and like all the hands go up or most of the hands go up those parts to me. It's kinda like the part of a sixty minutes piece where you see Steve Kroft waiting outside the, the insurance office for the guy to come out so it can confront him on camera though. Little reportedly parts of the show. The weekly is gone all in on that, and I like that. And I think people are curious. In this day and age about how news is made and reported. And yeah, I thought that those parts were really really affected. Yeah. I thought I thought it was really. I mean, I think that the, you know, from an insider perspective, I guess it did make an interesting more of a vaguer, but, but, but compelling case for journalism. And I think there's a lot of places that when you get to the when you get to the difficult part of the reporting here, just the existential questions about whether or not you're going to do more damage than good by airing the bye, by reporting out this story in printing it, there did seem to be the sort of conviction that, like we're the New York Times, this is news. This is what we do. Right. And I think that there's many other outlets that would that would have wrestled with that question in different way, and maybe gone the other direction. And, and so I think that there is some deeper value to the way. That, you know to to the to, to the school, the field of journalism by showing those sorts of decisions being made. And, and, and I do and I think that, you know, at some point, we there will be, you know, the interesting questions for me or are kind of how the doughnuts get made kind of questions like how much of these interviews was re recorded or how much of this was, you know, presented staged for the show if any but all in all I thought it was really well done. And I thought that, you know, I think that if it continues along, this path of telling significant stories that may or may not be incredibly time sensitive. I you know, I'll be watching it from the department of new jobs, David. I saw tweet that said, one of Canada's most famous journalists is heading to CNN to cover. Trump full-time has the is the phrase world's most famous Canadian does that ever not sound insulting. But the journalist is in question as Daniel Dale, Washington correspondent of the Toronto Star who got famous cataloging Trump's lies. He tweets it he's headed to CNN to be on the truth beat dissecting dishonesty from Trump democratic candidates, and others now with the K file already at CNN do you see this being an adventure style team up or more of attention filled Batman versus superman, kind of thing with him under the same roof? Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, I think it'll probably be more like, like, like, you know, Spiderman in the vendors where they kind of they, they operate in completely different worlds, except for the team up movies. And then those team of movies are going to factor. How many factors can one have I guess is a good question during the is there. There's also this weird like expanding. Definition of fact checker player when I saw the first tweet about him, it was just the Washington Post was eagerly announcing that he was joining the fact checking department or whatever. And I was just like you mean the people who just make sure that you didn't put an error in your story, which isn't in very integral part of any news operation, don't get me wrong but not exactly like a glory post for someone who's being hired away from a from another establishment. We got a tweet here from Espy nations. Mike Prada this department of journalism and labor. Yeah. With this being the last scheduled day of bargaining the Espy nation dot com NBA team won't be providing any game three of the NBA finals at his coverage today until the vox union receives a fair contract. This was a hard decision. But securing that contract today is more important than an NBA finals game. I found the so interesting because I cannot remember or at least don't have anything in my fingertips of a journalism union action that where he refused to cover a game. And I thought that was so fascinating. I'm sure that have been citizens voted at the press box pot. If that has happened somewhere in the annals of sports writing, but just an interesting moment and interesting. We talk about how what you know, great content. The NBA is right. And essentially, this is so this is where you dig your heels in and put pressure on the boss. Yeah. I mean, I think that from a looking down on our culture level, if you want to be stoic about it, then yes, the by far, the most deeply the most interesting part of this is that the NBA playoffs have send it to the point. Where can you what, what would be the other? The what would be the other instances in all of news? That would be worthwhile. Single things to boycott to make a point. I mean like an inauguration now matter, I think it'd be more like election night or. Something like that. I think the I guess, like a, a big primary would probably be the, the equivalent may be sure okay, something important. But not absolutely critic game. Three is like the equivalent of the, you know, South Carolina primary about that. It's it is. Yeah. I think that's right. Could you? I mean it's pretty amazing. That, that the NBA playoffs have risen to the level of the South Carolina primary, especially gained three. I don't think he have. Oh, I hope that you said that game seven right of diverse points in history. But yeah, pretty interesting. And, and then you know separately. It's it is, we have not talked a lot, if, if it all on this show about the sort of groundswell of unionization efforts in New York, especially journalistic, journalistic houses and, and. You know, it's, it's a it's a really important conversation. And it's something that, that, you know, kudos to the folks, vox and Espy nation for taking this on and for taking this seriously. And it'll be. It's you know, a lot of a lot of liberal. I mean, mostly or not mostly, but largely liberal writers, editors of sort of thrown their hats in with the VC corporate world had to give them platforms to make these wonderful new media enterprises. And sometimes that, you know, ideals can run up against one another. So it's, it's, it's going to be really interesting to see how this trend continues. I'd like to create a department David called we're all good where we pick a story that at one point in history was incredibly interesting that I just feel I have absolutely complete on the coverage of and today, I'd like to nominate any coverage of the final blockbuster video stores in America. Oh, my we, we've we had a wonderful piece by Justin Heckert on the day. We did that last year. We did it. I mean, we're, we're we did it. I saw a tweet from Reuters TV. And when we've reached Reuters TV I feel I just feel. I get it. I was I was a child of blockbuster video, but I think we have looted this particular topic. I mean this is like this is like a president slowly dying. We're paying trip, you know, we're paying visits to the bedside over and over again. I think if we're going to, you know, if we're gonna really rig, you know, examine the death of nineties chains. It's time do like Boston market or something. I mean, we really have to. Just need a pick something else. Anyway, blockbuster video get it get it while you can this week in Twitter beefs, there was a good one between two conservative commentators. David French and David Marcus. The former is of national review the ladder of the federalist and I believe this all stems from a feud of sorts started by Saurabh Amari of the New York Post, which you can read more about in a rust out that column anyway, this particular beef was about David French, that is of national review his pro-life bona fees on, and it's a long thread. But I want to quote to you from the last the last French tweet. This is their actual words. This is not make quoting from a nation text. So how dare you, sir? How dare you, impune, my commitment to the most vulnerable people. I will not be slandered. I do not seek your approval. I don't care about your approval, but the truth matters. And this is the truth. Holy moly. Yeah. Max read Earl pal tweets can only imagine what the state of conservative punditry would be if dueling were still allowed. First of all, I think we need to incorporate the how dare you sir language into NBA Twitter. Ethan Strauss wrote about Draymond. He criticized K D. How dare you, sir? How dare you, impune, my commitment to the warriors. I would love this or if somebody somebody like like slightly misuse it. Missive misappropriates a fivethirtyeight statistic or something then that person has to jump on Twitter like how dare you, sir? That is not at all with that algorithm. Portrays a listener mail David got lots of notes about guy Fieri who's reinvention? We talked about on Tuesday, our pal. Sess summer sent us a defence a feary from comedian Shane Torres. Let's hear a little bit of that. People are horrible to television personality. And he didn't do anything wrong. Here's what he did do America. He started a company where he hires everybody. He pays more than minimum wage. He gives health benefits before he has to he has a nonprofit where he gives pretzel, making machines to school, so they can fundraise. I know that one sounds like I made it up, but I swear to Christ it's true. He works with Special Olympics athletes. And if you need. Little more sugar with this medicine. He also officiated a gay wedding. Yeah. But because he has flames on his shirt. Everybody's shits all over this dude, like he's a member of Nickelback. By the way. What in the hell did Nickelback ever? It's time for the counter intuitive defensive Nickelback, I think that's why I reacted second of all Shane tour is that was a really good bit. He doesn't he sound like Jimmy Swaggart or like an eighties televangelist with Hayden's that familiar cadence he has. He sounds like he sounds like a comedian that would have been invited to my like middle school youth group to perform for us. In the south nine months is gonna say he'd been running your middle school youth group. That's crazy. Another listener mail from Peter Hart. Law by the San Francisco Chronicle who sends us a very good defensive fear. He wrote back in March fury, cook some food for heart lobes, dying, grandmother. I retweeted there from the press box thing we may have now hit the ultimate point. David, where it sort of it's, it's such a giant straw, man. Everybody actually likes guy Fieri, but everyone is taking advantage of this little moment time in cranking out in defensive guy. Fieri think pieces. Ooh. Yeah, I like this. So I think we should declare this moment you've got a month. You can you can sort of ironically, or on Iran nuclear defend guy Fieri for a month. And then comes America's new Julia child. He's off limits. Right. You got to move onto Nickelback. You gotta pick something else. It's, it's like blockbuster and video where we're just moving on anyway. One month from today will will revisit if David and I actually remember also last week, we talked about book publishers, and why they don't have fact checkers this in response to Naomi wolf Jeff new. Men, who was an editor at Simon and Schuster and literally every great sports book of the nineties. I mean every great sports for the nineties. He was a man in that job sent me a note. And he says, and I'm quoting here, and, and pulling various sentences from his nobody says the biggest reason book, publishers don't do extensive fact, checking is that books are inherently different from magazines or newspapers. A book is a presentation of the work of an individual or individuals. Who knows or cares? What company published a book? The author is the brand, not the publisher a newspaper on the other hand, is proclaiming the truth of liberty of everything. It contains. And so as a magazine a periodical, editing and fact checking process will be more extensive because its reputation is on the line. In the way, a book publishers isn't. He also says this is also reflected the fact that a newspaper magazine will generally insist on two. Sources for troublesome account of charge for a book, one good source can be sufficient, and then good, quote is the keyword. And I thought that's really interesting because he's right. Right. And again, I think you can still kinda come down where I do and say that publishers may be abdicating their responsibility in this and say, well, it's on the author. It's not on and off sewn on Simon and Schuster. But he's right when the New York Times says something it's the New York Times says it when Michael Wolfe says something it's really not Houghton Mifflin. It's Michael Wolfe, sang it, and that's and that's a difference again, I'm not sure if that's -nificant a difference at the end of the day. And the I you know, there's no like natural law that the way to do these things. So you, so any, any difference, you can extricate like that a significant but I will say this is not a this is not a, you know, a firm pushback against what he saying because what he says makes a lot of sense, but, you know, who does care about what about the publish about the, the publisher whose name is on the spine of the book. I mean, the publisher does everybody in new or publishing knows exactly what lists the other publishers are publishing. They feel like everybody in the world it walks in any bookstore understands what cannot means or what the penguin, press means or what. Henry holding company means. They think they believe that book buyers, no. At these things are. So while what he saying is absolutely true that nobody cares. The people who are deciding to not have fact, checking departments are actually actually believed the opposite. Let's do David guesses. A strain on the floor. Do I can. I can I have I have news for you. Oh, please one more bit for this. It just came across the wire, Brian. Oh he's caught up. We talked and we were talking about the New York Times show. We talked about the daily we talked about the weekly. It's just been announced by the Meredith corporation, that Entertainment Weekly is going monthly. My mind is completely blown JD Heymann has been elevated to that energy of Entertainment Weekly from his previous post is deputy editor of people, and the new monthly frequency because his according to the merits release will. Will will mean more in depth coverage and product enhancements, recalling it entertainment, monthly Entertainment Weekly. They still grows. Entertainment Weekly August issue will Mark Entertainment Weekly as I as a monthly I still remember the mad magazine parodies sometime in our like, college as where it was called, entertain me weekly. K. L. Y. Speaking of which David, how about a strain pun headline do it. I think we should do this. When that reader, Jason McGinty sent in by the way, send us these at the at the press box pot. I love to see him. This was a, Sunday morning report from ESPN's Mike Reese about rob gronkowski and gronk was shooting down. Rumors that he is attempting a comeback. Okay. So there were some rumors out there that gronk may come back or, you know, at least come back immediately. Gronk was shooting them down. He, he is saying that he is remaining retired. Okay. I'm just leading you on here a little bit. What is the strain pun headline? Also, give you one word it involves the word Pat, not patriot. But Pat, okay. Rob gronkowski shooting down. Rumors that he is attempting a comeback. Yeah. Like, like short for patriot just standing MRs standing, Pat. Oh, okay. You got half of it. I mean, you gave me pet and there's not that many, okay? But what's the other part a wait? There's more to it than that. Yeah. Kind of kind of one of these kind of merely sandy, but standing, Pat, is in it blank, blank standing, Pat. I'm still standing? It's it another pun. I'm so confused by the construction, here, it is. I have no idea what is it, sitting Pat standing, Pat so gronk when he retired became a sitting, Pat capital, PAT, sitting Pat in he is standing Pat where did this run? There's on ESPN like it's on ESPN dot com story pay. Yes. Yes. Not exactly that, not exactly the, the playground for like, artful, like for flora flowery headline. That's had it became escort in the sixties overnight, somehow sitting Pat, standing bad, that's sound like. It sounds like that sounds like a folk song or something. I'm looking at it to Joe in the fishing that at some point. The stitting Pat standing, Pat, is the weird colon grunk so retired as might be the weirdest looking head on a on an ESPN dot com story I've ever seen. But it's kind of funny. I got he is David shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis are researchers Chris Almeida, our producer is Jim Cunningham more. Lukewarm takes about the media on Tuesday tight weekly now on Tuesday. See David Letterman. Aided. If you are old, I do not seek your approval. I don't care about your approval out the truth matters for sure. And this is the true washed up psycho wearing misfit tuxedo, d'or, you, sir. I'm not sure. Could you? There's no like natural law. It's pretty incredible. I am no idea from the aliens down on our level. We're the poop holy moly. Very good word. Yes. This is the president's slowly guy. What did you? I thought it was good. I thought it was. Yeah. Is the phrase world's most famous David ever not sound insulting. We all knew this day was coming. 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"Hey, it's as Kelly and welcome to the ringer podcast network, just wanted to remind you guys that every Sunday night after each episode of big little lies. Amanda Dobbins and ESPN's Munichites breakdown, everything we just saw in our new after show called big little live in partnership with Buick and after you check that out make sure to subscribe to the meantime, show, featuring Lenny, a weekly NFL podcast with frequent contributions from her beloved dog and sidekick name Lenny, you can subscribe to the meantime, show with Lenny on apple Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts and make sure to watch big little live every Sunday night on Twitter. David. Funny, but fake tweet has been going around during the NBA finals, it says raptor, star Hawaii, Leonard ate a bag of twelve apples with a knife and fork in front of his teammates while chanting apple time. Apple time a fake story. Just want to assure you what I want to know is, what other fanciful story, would you believe about? Kobe leonard. Oh man. This is hard. I think I mean the premise of the co I'm means that are going around Greg me if I'm wrong. He's sort of like the inverse of like the Chuck Norris meme where like Chuck Norris can, like karate chop, the globe in half the quiets just it's like aggressive boringness than that. Then that's what makes it for why. That's what makes it this like that. It's like it's not it's not pedestrian things right. Nobody eats apples and chance. It's apple time. But it's just it's like it's like it's like powerfully dull right? I mean it's just like it's, it's, it's riffing on the archetype of the of the profiled pro athlete. But, but making all the quotes are like almost non items in their boringness, right? Except just the way they're presented and are the point. I guess the answer to your question is, I believe, fewer none of them because the fakest part of all of them is, is access. And like no. Nobody has access to quite Leonard eating whether it's apples or other other things. But it's a very, very good. It's a it's a mean. It's a series of things that I really appreciate it, sorta, like, you know, when people will, like will we'll tweet out a video or something, or, or a funny picture that they probably made themselves. But the tweet is like, who made this, you know, as a way to kind of, it's a way to get it out in the world with plausible deniability. But so kinda take credit for it. That's what this was. It was these these these pictures of texts that made to look like athletic stories or whatever they like it was screen-grabbed and then someone would just then the tweet would just be man Koi really is weird. But so has I didn't do this. But clearly this person is just it. It's this is this is a probably probably signals a very dark future for social media. And I mean in journalism is placing it but I, I am I am all in on this right now. But what fun it'll be in the meantime, we are the red delicious of media podcast. This is the press box. A part of the ringer podcast network. Hello media consumers Ryan, Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here, lots of stuff to get to on today's show, including the Trump sound bite of the week, the X men take on their greatest enemy. Anonymous sources listener mail, the overworked Twitter joke of the weekend. Lots lots more, but first David, let's talk and be a finals. You can find your game six analysis over on the BS podcast or the ringer NBA show. I wanna talk to you about finals media and the big story from game five earlier this week and actually, maybe the whole series is Kevin Durant rupturing his achilles. He'd been he'd been out for a month with a calf injury. He tried to play in game five and then something terrible happen. Let's listen to a very emotional Golden State, president of basketball operations. Bob Myers talking to reporters after game five I don't believe there's anybody to blame. But I understand this world. And if you have to. You can blame me. I run our best ball, operations department and. Tell you something about Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant loves to play basketball, and the people that questioned. Where he wanted to get back to this team. We're wrong. And I'm not here to. He's one of the he's one of the most miss understood people. He's a good teammate. Good person. It's not fair, that David was the NBA press conference version of a sub tweet because what happened days before on June seven was that Tim Kawakami editor and columnist over the athletic wrote a couple of lines in a column which I'll quote to you has Durant fought to get back into action, the way Klay Thompson and kevon looney did for game four. It's unclear. It's impossible to know. Maybe he has dot dot dot but just ask yourself this, if Thomson or looney or Steph curry, or Draymond green, or Andrea would dolla had this injury thirty days ago, would the warriors still be waiting for them subsequently to that. So Pont dab. And Kevin Draper of the New York Times pointed out that those lines were a little bit shitty and that probably would have been the end of it. But then Durant got himself back on the floor for game five and ruptured his achilles. And suddenly, some semi shitty lines suddenly with a change of events, seemed extremely shitty would. Is your read on that whole thing? Oh, wow. Circumstance plays a part here. Does it not if Kevin Durant, doesn't get hurt this conversation, this whole thing, looks very, very different? Yes. Zach Lowe may that point is back as today or yesterday, I don't I don't know, when it came out that were that I think that the conversation is a little bit skewed because reviewing everything through the like working backwards from the result. Right. I mean, if everything had happened exactly the same way. But Kevin Durant had not gotten hurt or just twisted his ankle or something like that. Then I don't know that we would have been, you know, trying to track down this uproot or film for every moment in this whole process, and the cow comic thing that would sports, by the way, get executive story, we work backwards and the result, that's crazy. Anyway continue to cow. Commie story was was, you know, has been rightly lambasted since the injury in Calcutta himself didn't do any favor dooms any favors by you know loudly defending himself on social media talking shit about the New York Times crew and their. Ascension from it. And then, you know, he did publicly sort of, you know, show contrition after the injury and everything else. But, you know the. The story itself was almost drowned out by by the volume of his tweeting about it. But they'll that said, if he hadn't written. It someone else would have written if no one else had written it, we would have been talking about it, right. I mean, this was the conversation that for a lot of people with surrounding the warriors postseason. And I I mean obviously, this is an incredible tragedy. What happened to Kevin Durant? And I think that as with, like, quiet quiet Leonard's injury last season. I mean, there's so much just confusion and uncertainty that surrounds these things in this day and age for a variety of reasons. It, it just makes it really hard to do the to, to really find out what happened. It makes it makes it almost impossible to, I mean, chalk combs couldn't figure out, you know, who's at fault, and who who's, who's the culprit in this case, and that is sort of hard for the average reader, or even average journalists to wrap their mind around. You know, it's, it's an unsettling thing to not really know the answer. And I think that's. What we see everybody wrestling with right now. A like a UN was Sherlock Holmes. Is your master detective reference, instead of like, whoa, JR, or shamans? But I'm with you Kabakov me to his credit, by the way, climbdown Rex day on Twitter and said he'd put the emphasis on the wrong thing and even turned away people who were defending him and said, no, no, no. I screwed up on this one. I think what he was writing about. And what was interesting before the injury was that, there was information, blackout for like a month. And when he was trying to get out in that column was it even Kevin Durant teammates didn't seem to have any idea what was going on. And you know, it was really funny like and I'm saying all this without without any kind of moral moral content at all. But Kevin Durant, not sitting on the bench with his teammates being in the tunnel during games not talking to the media. It took something it took a finals where everything is, you say is the pruder film. Everything is, you know, surrounded by this crush of. Reporters, and just put it off limits, essentially, and I think that just blew everybody's mind. You know, we're not used to having something unavailable, during a championship series something or someone it just doesn't exist. And it's like it's like reporters, you know with the normally do on a daily basis to try to take things that are unknown and make them known, and essentially, they were presented with his giant, unknown and forced to deal with it. And I think, you know, people are pal Jay king representing the NBA dark web had written about that sort of information. Blackout. It just it was very, very strange and again, just unusual in terms of a final series anyway, I think that's kind of what his he was getting at what was interesting about the Myers press conference to me was he immediately before anybody. That was his opening statement before anybody at asked any questions. He went to. I don't think there's anybody to blame. I understand people are going to blame. Somebody no-one had even asked yet. Hey, you know who made the decision that Kevin Durant could play in this game? No reporter had asset. But he went straight there as, if he was in -ticipant, ding that there was going to be this crush of people blaming the warriors speaking of which Charles Barkley on ESPN's, get up thought the warriors were indeed to blame. Let's listen to a little bit of that. You've been after these guys all morning. It does somebody to blame that is there is somebody to blame the Golden State Warriors couldn't caveat there. Listen, that was not. Right. You know, if you go back and look at the last two weeks of the article comes out katie's worst nightmare. The warriors win without him. Then you come out you read the articles, the warriors really unhappy with Katie wall risks his achilles. They're frustrated with KB now, this man has to be some type of weight. So. So I blame the warned for Katie again hurt and I don't care what they say about it. They put that man out there in Ohio know it 'cause he blew out his achilles. Wow. So trump. Wow. Barclay per usual sideswiping like five targets there, but I feel and do you agree that how did Kevin Durant, get on the floor felt like the right question to ask immediately after that happened? Yeah. Although I mean, the answer might be benign answer might be Kevin Durant wanted to play. The warriors said, hey, there's some risks here and he said you know what I wanna help my teammates? But that is the right question to ask when something sure yeah. I mean, I think that I think that the assumption has to be it's benign. I mean, we were talking about a team that first of all that led us will yet. I mean, really I mean I I I'm not saying that the assumption should be malignant. But, you know shouldn't they assumption just be like, well, let's see what the answer is. I mean it could be. Go either way, I think it prob- I think it's feasible that it could go either way. But I think that, you know, I mean, the, the evidence that we that we can assume that we have is that, you know, his teammate Klay Thompson was was trying to argue himself onto the floor already in this series in the warriors, held him out, certainly, they would have if the idea was just to, like, do pull a Friday night lights and like, you know, shoot Kevin Durant up with a bunch of painkillers and put him out there. They would have done it before game five. And, and if the idea is that they that they just at the last minute said, we're you know, we're ninety five percent. Let's pretend we're a hundred and then we'll talk Kevin. We'll talk, Katie into it. I mean I guess there could be something like that. But at the end of the day, I mean what we saw was a guy who could play for twelve minutes. Right. And then tragedy struck. But we but I think that in twenty nineteen of all times, we can assume that most or all volition lies within the hands of Kevin Durant. Now, should there have been someone throwing themselves in front of the? The in front of him to keep him from getting on the court. I mean, I guess that's a logical question. I think that what we see most of the conversation now boiling down to an article after article whether or not it's the lead. It certainly the meat is the twelve minutes thing, right? I mean that he was on the floor for twelve of the first fourteen minutes. And, and you know there's a lot of stories about it that he's, you know, the Steve Kerr come out, I think just today or yesterday and said, you know, they were gonna pull him after eight and Katie said, I feel good. Let me go couple more. And he went ten ten minutes twenty seconds or whatever the total was. And then he kind of surprisingly started the second quarter I mean. Yeah. Was should there have been somebody on the bench counting as minutes? I assumed that if the training staff had had thought that was necessary. They would have they would have done more to mandate it because although the Kerr's insistence that they said, nothing worse could happen to it seem rings, a little bit hollow. But we're dealing with a lot of I mean, we just we just don't know you know, in the fact that we're down to this, twelve to fourteen minute twelve out of fourteen minute thing, feel. As like feels like, you know, honing in on a very minor point of this of this, a very elaborate process for the sake of, of pinpointing blame. Yeah. I mean, I think I think there is an there is a lot to investigate here that doesn't necessarily lead us to the conclusion. The warriors are evil or something like that. It's just interesting. Right. I mean you have a guy who's one of the best players in the NBA. Who's about to become a free agent is about to sign a gigantic contract. Probably still will. And now he's hurting. He's going to be laid up for really long time. How did this happen is just a logical news question? I just think that's I mean, that is the most logical news question now may be that. Hey, it's just fate. You know it just happened. We did. We did everything we could he felt great. And all of a sudden WAM tragedy struck as you say. And then, so that's you know that could be the answer, but I do think it's worth investigating. I was also, by the way, David into. In this Jalen rose clip. He was on. I take talking about the way people in the media and elsewhere flipped on. K D. Listen to this. We got our pound of flesh as media as fans as people who watch this league faithfully. We wanted to see K D give himself to us. We thought it was week that he went joined a go. Stay words. I didn't like that. He joined a Golden State Warriors. Because when you go to the park, you want the two best players to pick teams not join teams but says he joined the Golden State Warriors. Now, it was a quest for him to prove that he could be something bigger than just back the bag raining finals MVP. That's why all year we have said that Katie was leaving. Why? Because he was on the thirst for something that Golden State, couldn't give them we created at narrative, he would never be too, dude. And Golden State, that's always going to be Steph Curry's team. So therefore he goes there wins championships, but he got leave to still validate himself. So now congratulations world you got your pound of flesh. This is probably the most this is now feeling. We're all responsible right? It's not just the wish step. But all I do I do think this kind of injury. And you don't have to totally agree with that full critique. But I do think this is one of those things of when you have fun playing take master with basketball world, and it is fun. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think most of the time and then something like this happens. All of a sudden you feel really bad about playing take master. And it just it just one of the things that it reveals the sports writing a lot of that sportswriting stuff is just kind of sports, TV stuff is kind of a smarmy business right? Yeah. That's what we do. And it's sad that it has to take somebody's achilles tendon rupturing. To do to reveal it but, you know, I just think this is one of those things where you're like, oh, wow. Sports writing. That's some business. You guys got there. Yeah. And I think that yeah. I think what Jalen was saying. Does I mean reflect like this? I mean, the point you're making, but it reflects more more poignantly on, you know, the talking heads were journalism world than it does on fandom, you know, or anything like that. And certainly there are a lot of people who came are, who, who felt bad for K D that we're not huge Katie fans before, just like there were a lot of people that were kind of arbitrarily rooting for Toronto and and, and didn't about-face when, you know some Toronto fans decided to heckle Kennedy after areas injury. But I think that by and large, I think that by and large are our perception are remote perception of those things of, of, you know, the, the overall opinion shifting is probably is just as skewed as anything else. I mean, what we're all that matters is that we're looking for the same people are probably yelling of the same things. We're just looking. For the diff the opposite people yelling. Right. I mean suddenly with it's, it's the it's the anti the anti Toronto, people are had the loudest voice after Toronto fans do a bad thing. And yeah, I just think I think this, I agree with that. But I think this NBA finals has been absolute kryptonite for storylines. A Hayden word storylines. By the way, I just hated it was. Here's the story line. I'm like, we'll fits a story just write it. And we insist so weird about here the meta storylines for this finals. I just with that word went away. I'd be so happy. But if we take quote unquote storylines. The warriors don't need K D that was done after game one then it was the warriors need K D that was apparently done after game two when they came back at one game in Toronto, then they needed K D again, Katie is healthy enough to play and should be out there. Katie shouldn't have been out there to play the Toronto fans are these special different kind of people who go to Jurassic parks, all over the country and cheer. And there's this purity of phantom. Oh, wait. There. Like Yankee and Red Sox. They're just like any other fans. They have moments of temporary insanity. And you know, that's kind of ugly. And then we move on I just I loved it because every flimsy storyline disappeared after like we could even keep going. Right. The warriors don't need boogie cousins. Yes, they do. Need boogie cousins? Ev everything went down in, like five seconds, which is part of what makes a series fund, by the way, that's made a good series. But it was not a it was not a great time for takes. All right. David time for the overwork Twitter, joke of the week where we celebrate a gag that was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time, please, send your nominees to at the press box pod where they will be gratefully received David, this one is from the world of communicable diseases, not a topic, I thought we'd start with. But here we are a headline this week from the Daily Beast. Reads, Jessica Biel comes out as anti vaccine activists Beal appeared at the California state assembly with RFK junior, another anti. Vaccine activist who called her courageous. It was an overworked Twitter joke to write. Apparently she and her husband, Justin Timberlake will be bringing measles back. Thanks to a bunch of people Bruno Alves, Ben Gibson, Mike Roussell, and Derek Burke for that one. This overworked was sent to me by four people. Also lot of unanimity this week for context. Let's I listen to this. Donald Trump sound bite from the rose garden. He was asked if he had a deadline for making a trade deal with China, no deadline. I'll at my deadline is what's up here. We'll figure out the deadline. Okay. Nobody can quite figure it out. It was an overworked Twitter joke for a journalist to write can't wait to try this on my editors sore pal. Chris Sahlin trop, Henry Thornton, Matthew Zetland, and reporter Joe at montage of singer name, right? Joe and finally, David this one from reader, Michael on Tuesday. We got a new set of Quinnipiac polls of head to head presidential matchups. The results were that. Trump is losing to everybody Biden, fifty three Trump forty Sanders fifty one Trump forty-two Buddha, judge forty seven Trump forty two. This led to a lot of jokes about other polls. Follow me if you will, the machine that blows puffs of air in your eye at the eye doctor, forty two Trump forty-one that dry soda in your car Cup holder, where three pennies are stuck forty-eight, Trump forty-one sure noble. Seventy-three Trump twenty two and finally severe rectal bleeding forty-nine Trump thirty eight Jill Stein, eight percent. If you compared Trump losing a disaster that sponsored and HBO series and painful hemorrhaging, congrats, you made the overwork Twitter, joke of the week are David time for the notebook dump. And I think we should start with the actually enlightening quote of the week, most quotes that appear in print or on television are just kind of filler. Right. This was actually enlightening. It is Trump once again. Been talking in the Oval Office with ABC's George Stephanopoulos about what he'd do if a foreign government offered him information about a political opponent. Let's listen. Okay. Let's put yourself in a position era. Congressman somebody comes up and says, hey I have information on your opponent. Do cool. The FBI. I mean from day one you do. I've seen a lot of things over my life. I don't think in my whole life I've ever called the FBI in my whole life. I don't you don't call the FBI throw somebody out of your office, you do whatever gore got stolen briefing book he called the FBI. Well, that's different is stolen breathing. But this is this is somebody that said we have information on your opponent. Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break. Lifeless director says, and that's what should happen. The FBI director is wrong, your campaign, this time round of foreigners if Russia if China if someone else offers you information opponent should they accepted. Or should they call the FBI? I think maybe you do both. I think you might wanna listen. I don't this nothing wrong with listening if somebody called. From a country Norway. We have information on your own. I think I'd wanna hear you want that kind of interference in our elections. It's not an it's affair. It's they have information. I think I'd take it if I thought there was something wrong. I'd go maybe to the FBI, call is coming from Norway, David. All is coming from inside the Scandinavia. I have so many reactions that one is. I love Trump talking about high just if somebody did that I'd just throw them out of my office. Because he's sort of thinking his Trump Tower office. Right. Nothing in the oval people don't usually walk into the Oval Office today. Mr President, I got something great for you. Get this man out of here. It's like vacuum salesman are sir screaming into the Oval Office. The other part, I liked about that was that it was actually, I think an authentic record of what Trump feels he's saying, you know, if someone brings you something in his golden, of course you look at it. I why would I call the FBI was at your reaction? Yeah. No, I think that we should give great credit to President Trump. For actually thanked telling the truth. I mean, this is the sort of thing that, even if you believe what he seems to believe you most most people would be bullshitting in oh, they find a way he really seems to believe this seems to think that if he says it, and the most sort of, like playing way than everyone who's listening will, of course agree. But yeah, I mean, I but it's, it's, it's just sort of mind boggling, and it's another one of those instances where we, you find yourself arrive. I find myself I'm not gonna speak for all the ones out there, but I find myself going back to that question of whether or not he is deliberately clouding, the media cycle with this sort of nonsense. I mean, there's been a lot of rumors that he's that he's deliberately dragging the democrat the Democrats into a impeachment battle, because he thinks that'll help him in the election. There's all this, like, Trump is working on the, you know, is playing forty chess or whatever argument, the that's that argument is gone from, like from, like the Donald on Reddit. To, you know, the, the real news media, but this is just crazy. I mean just that he would just drop that in to George Stephanopoulos of all people. And this has been. You know, if you but if you wanna take the conspiratorial point of view this has been a wild couple of days for Donald Trump, man, where we are I really thought we were going to do a segment on Donald Trump standing on the White House lawn with an with an envelope which he was clearly falsely insisting had a deal with Mexico inside of it that he would love to open, but he couldn't. It didn't even make the cut. It was like third place. Let's go now this is it's just it's, it's, it's crazy. It's crazy but you know it's good for him. Good for him for being totally honest about a thing that is probably illegal were you amused? Like I was by the production of that clip was Stephanopoulos. Where was that weird shaky Cam? Yeah. And it sorta looks like that old, new series, forty eight hours or or Nightline when it tried to be cool. You know, we got the shaky Cam, we've got somebody standing in Times Square assume because that was impromptu that was a that was just kind of weird. There's another great moment that interview, by the way, where George Stephanopoulos asked him about how all of the polls show him not doing very well, so issue losing, including his own internal polls, which we know from a series of articles that had been written by various out over the past week or so Trump said that wasn't true that he doesn't believe in pollsters. But someone who claimed to be a poster just told him it wasn't true. And then apparently he went off the record and called. His coming called back to the home office to, to, to defect. Check it just a very bizarre series of events for something to happen. Like sitting next to George Stephanopoulos in an official interview. Yeah. Phone, friend usually doesn't happen during the White House interview. The Trump got so much criticism for the bit about foreign governments that he tweeted a hypothetical scenario involving him and the prince of Wales only, he spilled Wales with an age, like the sea mammal, and Jonathan Chait wrote in New York magazine. So the Manchurian candidate Star Trek four crossover scenario. The president briefly contract will have to remain hypothetical, I would have gone, I would I would have gone Jason memo, as aqua man in that formulation. But yet, it's a little fresher, isn't it? Yeah, little fresher. But Anna now Star Trek for still still looms large David, this is a dispatch from the disinformation superhighway. We're about to listen to a deep fake video of Mark Zuckerberg. This is not real sue this, this will not engender. And. Orson welles. Were the world's type reaction. But let's just hear a little bit of what surfaced on Instagram this week. Imagine this for a second, one man with total control of billions of people stolen data older secrets their lives their futures. I owe it all to specter specter showed me that whoever controls the data controls, the future, a British artists Bill posters, and Daniel, how according to Forbes used AI tools to create that and put that Instagram video on Instagram. They of course, we're doing exactly what a prankster did a couple of weeks. Back with the fake Nancy Pelosi video, which was not taken down as we talked about on this podcast. An Instagram spokesman now says about the new Zuck video if third party fact checkers market is false. We will filter it from Instagram's recommendations surfaces like explore in hashtag pages. Much argument understand what that means aka, they're not taking it down. Immediately. What did you make this whole deal? I thought that was in-incredibly. Incredibly effective use of political theater of a political art. I'm not quite exactly sure what to you know to call that. Yeah. I mean for the video was just tongue in cheek enough and just absolutely terrifying in its authenticity. These of spector I thought it was just wonderful incredibly on the nose and. And, and I think that it's, you know, I think much more so than I mean let's be honest. Mark Zuckerberg is, is more recognizable than Nancy Pelosi know. I mean, she he's and he's much more central at least indirectly to most people's lives. And I think that, that, that going after him was a great, you know, kind of shot at Facebook and Instagram. But it was also a, you know, it was also a way to make the point to the general public and nine in much more certain to go viral than as slightly slowed down, video Nancy Pelosi, and I, you know, I think the to me, the point was made now whether or not I mean, I take the argument in good faith that they that deleting videos like the Nancy Pelosi video is not necessarily the best course of action, and it's and it's sort of untenable to police the internet in such a way. But remains to be seen of marking things is false and filtering them is any more realistic. So let's see where we go. Yeah. Here we go is right because drew Harwell over the Washington Post reports that there really is no great technology at the moment to sniff out these things. And he, he writes, for all the progress research, researchers say they remained vastly overwhelmed by the technology. They fear could herald, a damaging new wave of disinformation campaigns much in the same way. Fake news stories and deceptive. Facebook groups would employ to influence public opinion during the twenty sixteen election twenty twenty cents fund, cable news today. Mean just flipping across the, the major news channels. It's like they've all so, so the so congress is having a hearing on deep fakes today, which will inevitably be hilarious as we speak, I am, as we're recording. I think that's going on. But all of the news channels have turned into the worst parodies of like the of the, the local evening news. Just focuses on car crashes and stuff there, dislike this weird fearmongering over deep fakes which is a concept that like is not adequately explained and none of the big, you know. People over the age of fifty listening, this will have any idea what it means except to be alarmed when they hear the term, deep fake, right? I mean that's the only thing that's being gleaned from this for a lot of people and having a bunch of seventy year old congress. People discussing debating the matter, I don't think is going to get us anywhere useful either, although who knows maybe it will raise awareness. I like the idea of local newscasters reporting on defects, a deep fake tonight on interstate five our reporter David shoemaker is at the scene. That'd be that'd be great. We need. We need more of that. I would live in the local news, David. I've got an anonymous source the week for you or make that sources, right? They all appeared in a Hollywood reporter feature by Boris kit on the new X men movie, dark, Phoenix, and dark Phoenix was kind of a bomb, making thirty three million dollars in domestic grows in its opening weekend, and the piece like appeared five minutes later and kind of revealed just everything about the movie as if it will all been stored up. And yeah. Yeah. All came racing out a couple of highlights for you kit reports that the movie was supposed to open in February. And then James Cameron came along. It was very important to FOX and decided he wanted battle angel a Lido to open in February, which meant dark Phoenix had to become a summer movie where it got bulldozed by the competition, you know, how movie studios do those awareness scores about movies an insider at FOX tells kit when definite awareness of rocket man, as higher than an X men movie. You're no, you're in strange territory. And. Yeah, Oren Shuler Donner, who is a producer on the franchise since the first movie tweeted. And then deleted MRs kit writing savior, condolences I had zero nothing to do with dark, Phoenix. And this is where the Hollywood reporter story really gets. Real quote FOX insiders, say this is true, noting that Donner. Additionally, did not have anything to do with successful. These accession Logan and deadpool. And deadpool two either on which he received producer credit. Thanks to generous contractors, an amazing anonymous source moment, right there. What did you what'd you make of this base? They need more generous contract terms in my life. The it was really amazing. The speed of which this came out and obviously boy skates. A good reporter in the didn't take a crystal ball to see that dark Phoenix was gonna do particularly. Well, he's actually incorrect on the knows about the comparison to rocket man. I mean, I'm a lifelong fan of the X men, and I was certainly more aware that rock man was. Coming out than dark, Phoenix. Sure. But you do we one does imagine that, like at the press junket for dark Phoenix. They're like all going down the rope line or doing whatever. And then it is like the conveyor belt does a u turn on the other side of the, you know, like on the other side of like a makeshift wall. There's just people giving their exit interviews. You know, it's just like all of the producers, and actors are just like, well, that was a cluster fuck, you know, and just like give in giving anonymous interviews about how everything went wrong right after they did arrive. They've been hyping the movie for the, you know, the previous twenty minutes. It's amazing that this many anonymous people came together to, to try to explain away this catastrophe. And yet, I mean, and I and I mentioned this you think off Mike, but the but the, the Lauren Shuler Donner tweets were were great because everything in this article I believe was anonymous except for those tweets like the only way, the only person that, that they were able to get on the record with someone who just loudly tweeted. I mean just just wash their hands of the whole thing, too. The world on Twitter. Everybody was actually involved with the film was just, like, don't mention me by name, but everybody blue this one one at such a, it's such a touch of Hollywood that within this piece where there's all these recriminations about the movie you have a recrimination within a recrimination, Lauren Shuler Donner. It's true. Did not have anything to do with this disastrous movie but she also did not have anything to do with these successful movies at her name was on. That's just I mean, there's just something so something so wonderfully mean about that. It's great a great Hollywood piece in the Hollywood reporter, please. Read that this should be a new mean we're learned she Donner and just washes her hands of every movie failure in, in for the rest of her life, then whether or not her name's attached to it, just, like I just wanted to let you guys know that, that shark NATO to, I had nothing to do with that movie, then yeah, I've, I've washed my hat. My name may be on it, but I had nothing to do with the department of we're all good. David this week I saw a New Yorker dot com headline that read the secret rebellion of Amelia Delia the Barnaby of domestic work, and it reminded me of a twenty seventeen New Yorker dot com. Headline the authoritative repressive? Soul of Thomas, the tank, engine and friends, I, I am real bang for these are real things, I think I am at least temporarily all good with close readings of children's literature. I am. I think I am. I think I just I'm going to hit pause on behalf of journalism right now. Now, you and I are both parents and his apparent it turns out, you have to read these books like nine hundred times. Yeah. So I understand, you know, the person sitting there, you're tired, you've had no sleep, your child will not go to bed, and you're like, how can I get content out of this experience? But I don't need. I don't need a piece on drafts. Can't dance. I don't need a piece on Horton. Here's who we're I'm just I am all good with close readings of. Rens leadership. Thank you. Thank you very much from the obits desk. David, we need to say a belated word for leeann Schreiber died last week of lung cancer. According to the New York Times, obits Schreiber was the first woman to run in a major American, daily newspaper sports action. When the times appointed to that position in nineteen seventy eight she later became ESPN's public editor slash ombudswoman tribe, or had a quote, where she says, I was depending on one's view the bitch, the Saint the Amazon, the token, the recipient of awards and death threats and ultimately, the ingrate for insisting upon my pre agreed release after two excruciating years, sports editor of the times, I want to draw your attention to a fascinating episode nineteen eighty this is from IRA burqas book read, which is a biography of red Smith. A red Smith is a columnist at the time he has already a pantheon level sports writer in the nineteen eighty he writes, a column about boycotting the Moscow summer Olympics, which the US did of intially, do, of course. Smith included. Some info in this column when he sent him into the times, that was not verifiable, including a bit about Soviet children being told to keep away from Americans because they would be offering them poisoning. Poisonous chewing gum, true field. Very Cold War. Nineteen fifties kinda stuff. What happens is Schreiber and the sports desk, gets his column and it's deadline time and they chant reach red Smith and tell him, hey, we got cut this stuff out and columnists were so exalted in that period that you couldn't just rewrite them. You couldn't just take out the sense you had to ask, essentially ask read Smith's permission. So leeann tribe, or is faced with this decision? Do I run a column that I know has bogus material in it and defer to read, would why just kill it? And she took the fairly unprecedented step, a rarely precedent step of killing the red Smith go. Well mean. While the column, which the times is computer system, had already gone out on the times, news service to three hundred fifty publications around the world. Then they killed it and every all hell broke loose. Smith was at Burke notes this when Smith was asked about what his future Collins would deal with reporters start calling him and say, how do the timescale your column? He said, dryly L right about the infield fly rule. But anyway, Schreiber took a lot of flack, but it was an interesting anecdote because she's she was fearless. She believed in certain ideals were worth protecting, even if red Smith at wrote the piece. And I thought that was really telling about her tenure over there at the times rest in power. Leeann Schreiber are David our story of the week, we're going to do this every week, hopefully on Thursday. A big piece is getting everybody's attention and say what we like about this case. It's the ESPN dot com. Story on the demise of the af by Seth wicker shammond, Michael Rothstein, a story that is one of those sports stories you've been sort of waiting to be written because Charlie Ebersol had been very, very. Quiet. Yeah. After the demise of the af. What did you like about this piece? Would you make a piece? Well, I mean you're right. It was when it's a piece that that was in some ways, seems necessary and kind of seemed so generous the moment it came out because it was a lot of this was speculated about, but you're right. I mean Ebersol Charlie Ebersol had been quiet. So most of the major players in the story have continued to be quiet despite being cited repeatedly in the piece. They did. They weren't sources for the peace, because there is ongoing litigation surrounding af. But, you know, I mean it was it was just a really, really good tick tock, that makes everybody involved look a little bit silly at foolish. And I think that's you know, in, in justifies portrayal. And you know, it's it, it shows that a lot of the a lot of the read that people had on the af at the time I mean, going to its very core, which is that they were a lot of the a lot of the most haphazard seeming decisions were made because they were racing against the time. Time. I mean racing it's time to beat the XFL to market. They were making financial decisions based on assumptions of what of their of impending relationship with the NFL their sources of revenue were sketchy to say the least. And, you know, there it shows I guess there is a that there is that the charisma and drive of, you know, someone like Charlie ever saw specifically, Charlie Ebersol in this, in this instance, can take you a long way, but can always take you to three hundred million dollars of liquidity over three years to launch professional sports league anyway, but it but it's just one of those stories where, you know, every couple of paragraphs there's just something that kind of makes you slap your head or laugh out loud. And then I highly recommend it to anybody that, that, that wants to take a look these stories inside the short unhappy life of the alliance of American football over the SPN dot com right now. David on Thursdays. We get listener mail. Joe look forward to. Earlier this week, we ranked disastrous magazine covers and Christian. Clark asked, how could we forget the Tober twenty nine two thousand twelve Sports Illustrated? Cover Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, and Lakers jerseys with the headline now this is going to be fun by Lee Jenkins, by the way, this is truly more disastrous than Vanity Fair and Beto. I think so. So really rank them NICKY, Barnes ties magazine then the late then the Lakers of Steve Nash and Dwight Howard, and then on the bedouin, Vanity Fair, thanks to Christian for that one to feed our ongoing fascination with the rehabilitation of guy Fieri Dion gift halts sent the exchange that feary Lil gnaws ex had on Twitter in which the latter called the former allege ind- do you, do you have any reaction? Give it we need a name the fee, we didn't get a name the gay Fieri segment. It just needs to be a standalone, doesn't it? Yeah. Just might be every week. This this weekend guy. I have nothing to contribute to this except for they're both legends. We're gonna work that he needs something about rehabilitation, though. Right. Oh, right. Sort of a new a new, a new guy, something, I anyway, since nominees to at the press box dot com. Hugh Hopkins loyal correspondence sends this something I've been noticing a beyond North America's countries coping, the hashtag, we the north mantra that the Toronto Raptors of marketed. They've expanded to hashtag, we the Commonwealth, I think I spotted at first from an Ozzy, but the UK seems to have bought into it. We the Commonwealth is a thing. So beyond beyond the lookout for for ripoffs of we the north thought that was fascinating. We were talking about your proposed slogan for the old Baltimore Ravens defense and Steve Christie asks wouldn't this be a better slogan for the ravens de quoth the raven never score? Never school. Oh, god. Yes. Yes. That would be better. That would be better in. Speaking of ravens Sheila Woodward was listening to us guest Tuesday's strain pun headline coat, the ravens evermore. And she thought it was going to be yet another tortured literary reference drone flew over the ravens nest, not one flew over the cuckoo's, nest drone flew over the ravens, Nate, even even to tortured for the LA times front page, it turns out, but speaking of which I believe it is time for David shoemaker guesses. These strain punt headline everybody's favorite feature especially David's and today, my friend. We've got a retro pun headline is the throwback December twenty fifth nineteen ninety Christmas day, which is probably how it's not passed the New York Times as copy does. And this comes to us from our friend of the pod, and sportsbook, editor extraordinaire, Jeff Newman. The story David was at Tim Raines, Tim. Raines, but he is a baseball player, by the way, Tim Raines, was traded the do the American League West division. Okay. It was the same division that the great Ricky Henderson played it guys. He got to future hall of famers. Oh man. Him. Raines and Ricky Henderson in the same division, and it was natural in a sports column to ask, who was better, Tim Raines, or Ricky Henderson, so your challenges, what was the strained pun headline, first story about whether Ricky Henderson, or Tim Raines was the better player. You're not going to get me. You don't not going to get me at my best when you're looking for baseball related anything, don't you just? You don't need much here. All right. My own might my first inclination would be like how the west was fun. But I feel like that's been done a lot of times in baseball you. But you gotta you gotta give me a great overused headline puns of all time. Yeah, but this is just the AL west. It's not the way I mean what is the what is the? Who is that something to their positions that I should know about what is it? I would just go right to their name, just Tim Ricky liquor him. Tim Raines versus Ricky Henderson. Maybe go to their surname, rains. Cash rains in Henderson, maybe put maybe put Ricky surname, first, we will just gonna lead you. Henderson rains. Oh my God. What you gotta tell me this is going so badly. Are you reading it's a it's a lie? It's a it is a extremely tortured. Literary reference are you ready? Yeah. Henderson or rains king? Oh my gosh. Like a Saul bellow reference for Henderson, or rains casing question, Mark. That is so bad. But good. Would you know you can get if you can get saw Saul bellow into the headline? You gotta do it. You gotta do it. Thanks to Jeff Newman for that one Henderson, or rains king that will be the that will be the bad one to beat for a while. He is David shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis. Research by Chris Almeida and our producers great, Jim Cunningham, we're back Tuesday with more about the media have a great weekend, saving David Letterman. David. Go. Yeah. Here we go is right. David, this one is from the world of communicable diseases. David shoemaker a bag of. The knife and don't mention me by name that is so bad. That'd be great. You're not going to give me give me at my best when you're looking for related anything. What that means? Yes, I just wanted to let you guys know that had nothing to do with. I thought that was any credibly be affecting us. UC political theater liberal arts and I'm a lifelong fan. Well that was.

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"Hey guys, welcome to the ring podcast network, its list Kelley, host of ti-time exciting news happening across the podcast network, your favorite celebrity, and pop culture. Podcasts are moving out of channel thirty three and enter their very own feed called ringer dish on ringer dish. She can still listen to jam session on Wednesdays, and teach on Fridays, and we'll be launching a brand new show that will publish every Monday starting with a deep dive on J lo and Ben Affleck's infamous relationship hosted by Amanda Dobbins and Juliette Lipman. So to hear more about the Royal family and our current celebrity obsessions. Subscribe to ringer dish on apple Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. David, there was a controversy over at the Atlantic this week about ten thousand word magazine cover stories. What I wanna know is of all the ten thousand word Atlantic cover stories. You've read how many of those words have you actually read? Gosh, really put me on the spot here, man. I think you might want is did Tana husky coach. Right. The story Tana Z coats is yet. I mean there there comes a point where you, you know you understand that you have to eat your vegetables, and you clean your plate. I would say the average Atlantic cover story of which. It's been a it's been a long time since I say since I've read like to back to back. That's for sure. I've consumed quite a number over the years, I would say, on average if if each one were ten thousand words, I'd say, on average, I read. I'm going to give myself a gold star and say the fifty five hundred of those words, I don't know how many pretty flattering. I, I'm just amazed at how ten thousand is the perfect number to sound like a totally interminable cover story that I read in its there, it doesn't interminable, that's for sure. If you said seven thousand you know, my breasts kinda go up, and who is it a good story? The ten thousand just feels like story, I won't finish note seven thousand feels like, and maybe this is being on the inside seven thousand feels like a number that you have earned that you've that you've gotten to the because it's a little bit more arbitrary, right? It's like I said out to write a story, you know, I got to four thousand words and I just couldn't stop. And I got then it ended up at seven thousand words, ten thousand is like you reverse engineer it right. It's like when you sign a book contract, and you're like we're not gonna pay you all this money unless you right? One hundred thousand words or eight thousand words or something like that. Digits is also kind of a side of magazine, you know, hierarchy, I got to five digits tenant house. Oh, many just so many words. We are the John Hershey's h- aroma of media podcast. This is the press box part of the ringer podcast network. Hello media, consumers, Bryan, Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here. Lots of great stuff to get to on today's show, including Joe Biden and the art of the campaign flip-flop. We've got Pablo and Bomani Olisa bresnik stopping by Philipson on an online Throwdown and David the rock has become a journalist, there's just in as we go to press care, but back to the affair over the Atlantic. David, I'd like to start with a tweet from Andrea long chew that reads, but I would write five thousand words, and I would write five thousand more just to be the man who wrote ten thousand words that no one asked me for. The week just to put us in the mood there before we discuss this. I think it's probably worth reminding people that the story in Nieman lab, which kicked off this whole thing by Laura hazard Owen was actually praising the Atlantic for promoting women story was called promoting based on potential. How the Atlantic is putting a lot more women in charge, and has it own has lots of stats saying in two thousand sixteen women made up just seventeen percent of the editor -ill leadership over the Atlantic today. It's sixty three percent. Adrian la- Francis. The first female executive editor in the publications history encourage you to read the whole interview, but the record scratch moment was this quote by Atlantic editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg, it's really, really hard to write a ten thousand word cover story. There are not a lot of journalists in America who can do it the journalists in America who do it or almost exclusively white males. What I have to do. And I haven't done this enough yet is again about experience verse. Potential. You can look at people and be like, well, your experiences writing twelve hundred word pieces for the web, and you're great at it. So good going. He goes on to say he's got to create a pathway for women who may be good at writing those twelve hundred word pieces to then step up to the plate. And right. The big thing for the magazine. What was your initial reaction to this whole imbroglio? I mean. I mean, I think I had I think I absorbed it. I think I got to my point pretty immediately, which was I understand what he meant to say. And that and, and I cannot, and this is an Olympic gold medal winning feet of putting one foot in one's mouth. Like I don't like you have a misstating the thing that you. I mean without actually saying something incorrectly. I can't imagine something being said more incorrectly. I sat down for an interview about how I've promoted encouraged women to flourish at the Atlantic, and I left the interview as a smarmy member of the patriarchy. Is that about it? Yes. Yeah. That's that's about. Right. But again, I wanted to I wanna be clear that like with a different lake, you know, paragraph break. Yeah. With, with, with some sort of, like artificial editorial desk punctuation. This could have been a whole lot of entirely different situation. But yeah, I mean, he sees said these things that were I think, sort of justifiably misconstrued, one of the big things. Happen afterwards. And I think made the situation much worse was that Goldberg. I claim that hazard Owen had misquoted him in the story, which is a shitty thing to do to another journalist, didn't misquote you. That's one way to put it. And then he backed off and said, no, no, no just been misunderstood. So the initial reaction was not to come out and say, whoa that looks weird on paper. But what I am saying is that, you know, we have this screwed up system, where somehow only the white men get to write the cover stories for all these magazines and I am actively trying to dis-, you know, disassemble that system. It is to say no, the female writer of the peace, misquoted me so that, that's a, that's a bad thing to do. Some of this is surely that people have issues with Jeffrey Goldberg about many, many things, and what better time to remind the world of them than, than this, as you say when he sticks his foot and mouth, I had a big reaction though, one, which is the Atlantic is still a magazine. That's there's this whole giant gang of writers over there, who are writing like five pieces a day. And yet in the middle of it is still this curated paper magazine that comes out, and what's funny about that is just, and maybe this is you and I, you know, coming from grantland now, the ringer as we do, but what a strange anachronistic thing, quote unquote, writing a magazine story is, you know, in this world, we live in the, you would do this thing. And by that I mean this thing that has an opening scene, and then a nut graph in that second section right where you. Reset the subjects biography. And then the third section you go back to another scene. And you have a good kicker at the end all that stuff you've got a secondary interviews. That's kind of funny in this in this world right now because I just feel like if there's been any lesson that, especially you and I have learned from grantland slash the ringer. It's that story should just kind of probably be what they are. And I love a good magazine story as much as anybody. But. What you're essentially saying is we need to train people to work in this strange and disappearing art. And I, I don't know that just struck me as very, very funny because it's like certainly writing a cover story for the Atlantic is great. But what is, what again, what had just weird and very specific thing to talk about at this moment in history. Yeah. I mean you're right. We, we, you know, neither of us are decision makers by and large the editorial side of the ringer. But God we, we, we as a as a journalistic enterprise. I feel like I are approaching this just by virtue of being new and starting from scratch in the modern era, our approach it from the KOMO completely opposite point of view. You know, it's sort of, like I feel like we're, we're in this constant discussion of like how long are we? I mean, sort of like how long is a piece allowed to be on the internet, right? I mean Hello. How long can mean writers can turn could turn eight thousand words? The question is, like, how many of those words are worthwhile to read, not like how can we push them over the ten thousand word Mark writer? How can we designate this thing this thing this thing that's designated feature? How can we make it live up to the legacy of features pass? I don't even know what the Mark with the with the with the benchmark is exactly there's also this whole. This. I mean, I on the one hand, I think that he philosophically if we take him at his sort of like that this word what he meant to say and the things that he did say, minus those. We're couple of lines that, you know, I, I think this is coming from more or less the right place in sort of, like helping seeing looking at people in their potential and not just what they've, not their track record, and that sort of thing. But I think that also, there's this may, I mean, again, maybe this is a virtue of being living in sort of the new media culture. But it seems like you could just look at people in, in help them do what they're going to be best at doing. And not just seeing if you could imagine a future in which they could write ten thousand boring word. That's exactly right. And that's exactly what I'm saying. I just think at some level one, one of the one of the exciting parts about blowing up the print magazine. And that's a lot of bad. Effects moten, many of which are people don't have jobs anymore. But one of the exciting things about, you know, going into this world after magazines at stories can just be stories. And I think when, when that will naturally lead, people at least people that are open to it to hiring more women, and people of color to write them because you don't have to have this strange skill set that you can only acquire by writing for other magazines. You can have a skill set that you just acquired by writing and being a good writer. And by the way, it's not just by writing for their magazines. I mean to be clear it's by being an unpaid intern in York City to go Zine starting at the age of nineteen or twenty or twenty one or twenty two. You know, I mean, it's it there is a there are a lot of hurdles to getting to this really kind of static place in ones, you know, professional, which you get to by going to the right school and cetera. We could trace that all the way back to the beginning. Now. I think that's exactly right. It is funny that the whole ten thousand word thing. I feel this is flipped since we started in this business nearly twenty years ago, which. Which is the old boast. If you a magazine writer was, I got to write a really long story because it was still magazines. And there were still static number of pages like arrogant, right? A six thousand word story and everybody like, wow, that's amazing now with the internet, everything is long form. So the new boast is about time if you've noticed spent four months working on this story and I'm really excited to share with you. I spent nearly six months working on the story, now, if you like the new power sort of the new power, like sort of boast in is I got a lot of time to work on this because everything is so fast as opposed to I got a lot of space in a static environment. Well, an implicitly I mean time, time means money. Right. I mean, if, if I if I said, I if I just tweeted, I'd spent six months working on the story, I think most people would rightly read it as the ringer paid David shoemaker to sit at home for six months. Put it like just writing the purpose pros. He could imagine. Can we do that is that is assigned to find an ass? Jonathan is Yvette Tamar. I did like this one tweet one of the many stories that came out of this whole Atlantic thing was from Alana symbols who. Covers economics for time. She tweeted, I have been a journalist for fifteen plus years, and was a low finalists three times for work, including long-form, Atlantic pieces. But when I asked if I could work with an editor to write a feature piece for the magazine in the next year, I was told that was not possible. So I left that we got a lot of response one that came out that I saw down the down the thread, there was from Gregg Easterbrook, longtime Atlantic contributor football, writer, etc. Nice to know him from slate days, he writes, Alana. I am genuinely distressed here. This for what it's worse accomplished. Long-form. White males aren't real happy either. Now can I can I just pull the phrase? -ccomplish long-form white males out for a second. Oh, you get visit innovator. I wish everyone a happy and long life. But is there a better tombstone phrase here lies in accomplished long form white male? That's I just love it. Oh my gosh. Is there something that I'm just missing about the? About the institution of the Atlantic cover story that it has to be a certain length that is something that everybody the passes through the walls that office or the passes within one hundred miles of it is, is drawn like is there. I think the most interesting ten thousand where piece I could read right now is about the cult of the Atlantic cover story because I, I find that the muffler just a that one. I'm I, I mean, I know that there's probably some like similarly really leg. Looks some old school. Maybe not interesting to the average reader issues of like they've sold ads against these ten thousand pieces into perpetuity. You know, I mean but like that would be really interesting. I would be more interested to see rather rather than to hear Jeffrey Goldberg not. I mean, no offense to the man, I'd rather than ear about Goldberg's like struggle to groom people to perform this to perform these to compose, these pieces. I'd be more interested to hear a young new editor kind of at his his or her wits end about having to deal with the institution of the Atlantic cover story. Right. Having to deal with having to have the legacy of publishing these things and figuring out how to publish around the expectation. No, I think that's exactly right. I think it's funny. I mean, I think when you ask your. Like why? It's just the nature of the magazine, the sort of happily think nerdy high-minded like a writer, like Elena. Atlanta stimulus coming to you and saying, I would be interested in writing a cover story, may I please do it. No. And then you're saying, no, I mean, certainly there's there, maybe there's more to it. Who knows? But like what that doesn't make it like what is it about, like, I don't know. We'll see again. We just had this incredible luxury of working on the internet, where if someone says, I want to write the most important piece of my career. You say of there is infinite space for this short. I guess in print in dead tree publishing. That's not always the case. This just in David. The baffler has already assigned the space marched you thousand twelve on omniscient gentlemen of the Atlantic. Whoops. I can't wait. So anyway, congratulations. The baffler on your ten thousand word cover story. All right. David time for the overwork Twitter, joke of the week where we celebrate celebrated gag. That was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time. Please send nominees by the way to at the press box pod where I will be grateful from them, David. We're going to talk in a second about Joe Biden's flop on the Hyde amendment. He was Ford before he was against it. It was in overworked Twitter joke. Unfortunately, this week to right Biden can run, but he can't hide can't hide. I know I know. I know it's just add just reporting the news here. This. Marv Albert boys from the world of baseball, according to Newsday reporter, Eric Bowland, Yenkey, shortstop, DD gregorious taught himself to play the piano, David while recovering from Tommy, John surgery. Okay. It was an overweight Twitter job to write later doctors realized that in a bit of miscommunication. He had actually undergone Elton John surgery. Thanks to read her that. And by the way, I looked Elton John surgery, seventy gang and in for Tommy, John, surgery, a very long live joke. Like it was a Letterman top ten list kind of back in the day. There's a New Yorker cartoon of a pitcher with big glasses on and on the pitching mouth, I guess he had John surgery, anyway. There must be a Twitter account. That's just old Letterman top ten list jokes repurpose for modern culture. I think so we need, we need to bring that bag. Finally, David, there was the rich subject of Trump in the moon. I'm sure you saw this tweet back on June seven Trump tweets for all the money we're spending NASA should not be talking about going to the moon. We did that fifty years ago, they should be focused on much bigger things. We are doing, including Mars peren of which the moon is part. So, so many rich ones as you can imagine. One was as JFK famously said, we choose to go to the moon, not because it is easy. But because it is Mars. Another one was Republicans want to even gerrymander the moon. Our old friend friend, tan free references the children's classic book, goodnight moon of which Mars is apart. Finally, over the New York Times, David, it's God reminds us of this very important line. From the movie, total recall, this is the plan. This is the plan. Get you asked us get your ass tomorrow. David, if you compare to Trump tweet with the movie that you'd probably be an episode of the rewatch Ables congrats, yes you made the overall Twitter joke of the week. Yeah. Or I did before we get to the notebook dump. Let's stick it quick. Break. If you're a podcast in a movie fan, like I am then you need to check out luminary. 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Yeah, I wanna take you to Sunday night's Tony awards where Bryan Cranston won the award for leading actor in a play and he played a news anchor Howard, Beale, I met us L, and I'm not gonna take this anymore and the Broadway version of network and listen to who got a shoutout in cranston's acceptance speech, Howard Beale is a fictitious TV newsmen, who found his way in the line of fire because of his pursuit of the truth. And I would like to dedicate this to all the real journalists around the world both. In both in. Both in, in the press, and the print media and also broadcast media, who actually are in the line of fire with their pursuit of the truth. The media is not the enemy of the people demagoguery is the enemy of the people. Thank you very much. Good night. So that was really rousing. But do we agree? It's probably a bad sign for journalists that we have to be defended on the stage of the Tonys. That only happens when things get really bad. Right. The Bryan Cranston is coming to our defense. Anyway, thanks to Bryan Cranston for reminding you Cranston in such a high approval rating, I think across the board. He could have liked dedicated that award to, you know, like the pharmaceutical industry around of loss. Careful where pharmaceutical industry was a good good villain without being too villainous. Congratulations, David shoemaker this David from the department of how to change your position on abortion, in the middle of a presidential campaign who so last week. Joe Biden dropped his support for the Hyde amendment which bans, the use of federal funds for abortions. I think this is pretty fascinating for us because it shows how it candidate tries to finesse and then completely change his unpopular issue position through the media. All right. So follow along with me got a couple of steps here on may fourth a voter walks up to Joe Biden and asked about the Hyde amendment. Listen to their exchange. Rights for all I have one quick question for ya. And that is, will you commit to abolishing the Hyde amendment, which her four women and, and women corner, just by the way, they feel you gotta they're perfect voting record mind tire rear. But I'm glad you just said you would commit to hide a meme right now, this has to be the case state. Okay. So Biden is mumbling there. But it sounds like at least initially he's coming out against the Hyde amendment. He's going to change his long-held position will, then Biden or maybe Biden's, gut issued a proclamation some weeks later saying he was not going to change his position. He still supports the Hyde amendment. I'm strongly in favor of abortion rights, but I don't believe federal funds should be used at cetera et cetera. Okay now to argue this sort of twisted position last Wednesday Biden. Let congressman Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, one of his campaign co chairs. Go on CNN with Chris Cuomo here is Cuomo in Richmond. If he funds, reproductive rights, that means he funds it with federal dollars, the Hyde amendment restricts, the federal dollars. So you can't fund reproductive rights. I don't get it. I don't get the conflict with his faith. I don't get the difference between the height amendment and Roe v. Wade if it's a matter of faith, and I don't get the funding argument if it's about access. Well, that's why I think you have to look at his record, enter Taliban, Chris. He he has always been for women's right. To choose his always supported Planned Parenthood. He's always supported sex education. So what Cedric Richmond is doing. David is taking one for the team. Okay. I was wondering what the of the phrase? Yeah. That was that was going to say eating a lot of shit, but taking one for the team because a lot of advantages to signing up with the presidential campaign early the downside is we have we have a problem here and you have to go argue an untenable position on television, you get to go and try to explain something that really makes no sense at all. Okay. So Biden was against the Hyde amendment now, Biden via Cedric Richmond is for the Hyde amendment that was less Wednesday on Thursday, Biden win in front of the DNC dinner in Atlanta, and says, never mind what Cedric Richmond said on my behalf. I now opposed the Hyde amendment. Yeah. So since may this is our apparently our third, that's map this out our third position. And I think it's funny because there's a certain art to this art may be do nice word, but one thing you do. When you change your position right in the middle of a democratic primaries. You say it's not me that changed. It's the world the change. Right. Right. Right. It's not me. It's Alabama 'cause they're passing that, that restrictive law. And I'm trying to kind of eats, I just had to had to change with the times. Okay. But the other thing is Biden's brand doesn't allow for apologies a really even position changes. So when he was talking to that DNC dinner, his quote was I make no apologies for my last position. And I make no apologies for what I'm about to say. So I'm going to change, but I'm not going to apologize for changing, and I'm not going to apologize for thinking the other thing before I changed. Yeah. This feels like Joe Biden production does not. Anyway. Please continue feels like it s and sketch that they haven't written the punchline for yet. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I I'm a little bit exasperated, you know. By just the entire. Primary process so far. Got a long way to, you know. Week shows a week to cover it. But no, I, I met a I guess I'm to this day in particular, point of minor exasperation. I will say this Joe Biden as the panacea to as the as the democrat answer to Donald Trump. Yeah. The panacea product, by the way, don't get those democratic. Thank you. Democratic answer to Donald Trump. I mean, this is an abject failure on that count. Right. I mean, if the one thing that you the one thing that you should learn from Donald Trump is not the way that you stand behind the podium, he's not doing that the same way. It's not that you have certainly twinkling your. I know it's that you're just number one unapologetic number to you. It's devil may care about the ramifications of the stances that you take. And I think that what we're seeing Joe Biden, do here is not be able to amount. This isn't like some deep thought he can't extricate what he believes or what he thinks he should believe from what a lifetime of politics have taught him is feasible or not feasible. Right. And that is a huge problem in a primary. And whether or not his whether or not that should be a problem, whether or not. That's you know, I mean, whether or not we should be able to look at our potential nominees and say, well, I understand why feels that way because he knows how the system works you have to be able to thread that needle and before you launch your campaign. You have to be prepared to do that. You have to be prepared to go out and public and say, listen, I know this isn't a popular thing. But, like I know how I know what it takes to get x y and z done, and it's going to be an even if you have to come out and say, listen, this is bullshit. We all know what's bullshit. But the only way I'm winning Pennsylvania is, if I'm pro Hyde amendment, you know, and people will accept that, or you come out and you say a load of your, that's beach. Maybe you don't say bullshit, but or, or you come out and say, you know, ideologically, yeah, let's tear it down. I don't care like nobody wants to Hyde amendment. And then when you get into office you say, but I do have to govern, you know, you make that quote, but you can't you can't hold all these things in your hand the exact at the same time at this point in the campaign trail. And the fact that again Joe Biden seem so utterly. Unprepared for this sort of thing to come up and to give them the benefit of the doubt. It was caught on a hot Mike. He's talking to some supporters, he probably says, yes, to whatever. People ask him. Yeah. But cleanly misheard it or didn't stand up was fumbled? But the follow is like hell areas of that's the best that what's the problem, you know, and I don't know if the whole thing just seems like everything it's just a comedy of Arizona. Hey, maybe, maybe I'm wrong. And maybe the lesson of Trump winning the White House is that voters want a comedy of errors, but that's not my read that's the takeaway, the dynamic of the Biden campaign so far. And I believe until we start voting in January is, how does he square Mr. authenticity with the direction of the Democratic Party in two thousand nineteen is he going to apologize for the crime Bill? Is he going to apologize to Anita hill? We could go on and is going to college is for NAFTA, we could go on and on. And on and your whole brand is I don't make apologies for who I am. But the Democratic Party now is over here and they are all these, you know, nineteen twenty other candidates are demanding that I come over here, and asking voters, why isn't Joe Biden doing X. So do I have to apologize and at least take a half step that way? He's on the environment, by the way, too, because he said, what he say. The middle ground was where we are from climate change. Then that didn't work. So he unveiled his whole big policy. I think the bigger problem for his candidacy and this is, you know, this is whatever just met a horse race. Bullshits take it for what it's worth. But it's tough when your legacy of, of a lifetime of being of being a you know, a of governing on what, you know, it is. It's hard for an older candidate, I think to, to, to pull off that took an especially his part of a party who is moving in moving further to the left. It's hard. It's hard to. To sort of say, I know how to how to make the trains run. I know how to you know, I know the machine that the beast works whatever the turn of phrase, torture, Turner phase. You wanna use is because when you're when you're tacking to the right for the sake of governance, and that's really the most, the most generous reading of a lot of this extremely generous Weiner. Tagging the right in the in the name of governance, you, you. You risk sounding like. The sort of like it's like if you were you arrive with like defender grandfather saying, like, yeah, he used them really offensive words. But for his time, he was a really a forward thinking person. Right. You don't wanna be that full. You can't be that for his time guy when you're seventy seven years old is just not. Especially when you have someone like Bernie Sanders, who's standing right there next. You who just seems more authentically very liberal on some on some issues than, than you are. And it's it, it just it's, it's gonna be really hard, I think, for him to get traction. Now again. Never underestimate Joe Biden, and never underestimate somebody with that kind of women with, with the career that he's had especially the modern career that he's added. He's B's. He really is beloved and I think that he's earned that, but this is this is just troubling. You know, I mean it's from a campaign standpoint, I hear you. But also, by the way never overestimate, Joe Biden, especially when he's running for president. I think we could argue both sides of that Brian big, no apologies for the last, I make no policies for the, the, the opposite of it after buttons, reversal fellow democratic presidential candidates, south Molton tweeted it. Kerr's to admit when you're wrong, especially when those decisions affect millions of people now do the Iraq war. Welcome to the twenty twenty campaign, south Molton. That's great off the top rope David department of ESPN last week, Pablo, Tori and Bomani Jones, we're talking about Jalen Rose's interview in the New Yorker and Jones was making a point about how the NBA front office culture is pricing. Not just nerds not just analytics types, but certain kinds of nerds, a very specific kind of nerd, let's listen to a little bit of that it's conspicuous that we don't have more people over the race of those who make up the vast majority of our game in our front offices. But what sort of clear bolt going back to the winning versus losing, who won this thing, this isn't changing, and I agree the hedge fund world is deeply troublesome. But it is not changing from that quantitative perspective. And the only remedy is for the power brokers to begin to feed people and encourage them into that, Pat, I have to. Master's degrees in economics in the Sloan conference invited me to be on a panel on activism. Do you have any degrees in, like Matt stuff? I have not only do I have no degrees. I was really bad at Matt. What panels as you to be on when you go there? Well, I'm a moderator I'm not now. But even I ask you to have moderated basketball analytic multiple years. I thought right? But by point remains if you ask most people to walk in this room and say, which one of these dudes is good at math. Who do you think they're pull it? They're pulling you absolutely. Absolutely pulling. And that is not something that I'm covering, right? Right. Right. But the battle with the point I'm making is, if you wanna know how these pipelines get that way. Think of that very simple example. Those are great segment, encourage everybody. Watch all five and a half minutes of that it is fantastic. Couple of reactions. One is they are going into will not insult either one of them by calling this politics, in a dumb clay Travis kind of way, but they are wandering into a very the kind of topics that I want those guys to talk about. Yeah. And I know I know we just have this constant just unending conversation about ESPN and all the stuff that is the kind of stuff. I want those guys to talk about. They're really, really good at number one. Number two. I love that show which I embedded on for a few days when it started has sort of, you know, over the last now, gosh, that's been over here, which is incredible kind of tried to figure out its way. It went from an hour to thirty minutes moved on schedules. Kinds of things part of the that show grew out of Jones and Tories relationship. Greta the relationship those guys had the talks, those kind of guys have, and then it's about recreating that on television. It's amazing. If you watch that segment. Pablo goes into kind of point guard mode a little bit. And he's kind of setting up Bomani a little bit. And Bomani takes it somewhere. And it goes back to two Pablo and Bomani takes it. Another place. Yeah. And it goes back to Pablo kind of refined, Bomani takes it really to a different place. And I would be shocked if they're private conversations, didn't often have that dynamic. And I'm like just like you need to get, you know, Michael and Tony PTI into a couple of times this show where they're kind of goofing on each other rolling their eyes at each other. If I'm if I'm Bob Ammann, Emily. How do we get this dynamic a couple of times show that dynamic creates good stuff? Right. That pushes that, that allows Bomani to go to a great place. And it's a subtle thing. But, you know, it's like every time, yeah, this shows, right? It's about bringing out the most interesting part of the relationship. Yeah. I mean vulnerability is the big thing, right. It's nine it's not it's not just the inside. Nece of the point in this case, the point that Bhawani Jones making, but it's the vulnerability it's the it's the willingness of public to let him go there. You know. And this sort of be the counterpoint, you know, because natural real conversation people have, right. Yeah. I'm putting myself out there and I'm saying something that's good hearted. But a little bit imperfect. And the other member of the conversation is refining it, and kind, of course correcting it a little bit. And makes for good television. Yeah. It's true. It's true. You know it's funny in, in a lot of ways. I mean you could say we, you're right to say that they should try to get there. More frequently on the show at some point it will become a little bit for us. I mean we've seen that with every iteration of trying to do something different with the ESPN talk model or the sports center, model, or whatever else in, in some ways, it's just the the the necessity the proceed necessities of those shows of covering every story covering all the hits of filling up an hour of programming. That's the ten thousand word cover story albatross. They're saddled with right. I mean, that's, that's what's keeping them from fully being a modern thing if. Were just doing three to five minute. Like, you know, video highlights for Twitter than I think they would have a one hundred percent approval rating and be just like on fire every day. But they gotta do a lot of other stuff know, part of it's part of the job in its in, but I but I agree that this is this is this is the ideal for them. And it's the aspirational ideal for anybody else who's doing that. You can't do it about when you have a conversation about Mike trout. Probably, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you're right. Maybe it's not every show, it certainly not every segment, but getting to that place, somehow some way, I like it works. Yeah. David, I've got a note here for disastrous magazine cover of the week. I got this from the obituaries for Torius, New York heroin dealer NICKY Barnes, by the way between NICKY Barnes, and Frank Lucas is merely bad month for notorious New Yorker when dealers both both passed away. Anyway, back in nineteen seventy seven the New York Times magazine was doing a piece on Barnes, who had been indicted, but not. Victims he posed for the cover of the times magazine in a suit with his arms, folded over get yourself to this point in our Google doc, by the way, if you're not looking at this right now here right now. Yeah. And the cover line was Mr. untouchable is one of the it's an it's an amazing cool magazine cover. If you're currently under indictment, it is probably an unfortunate magazine covering, indeed, as the times explains the cover. So affronted president Jimmy Carter that the White House ordered Mr. Barnes, who had been indicted, only weeks before to be prosecuted to the fullest, extent of the law, he was convicted and sentenced to life in prison without parole. So disastrous magazine covers ranked number one NICKY Barnes. Mr untouchable. Number two better workman man. I'm just born to be in it. That's, that's our definitive ranking or last week, we ran into a very confusing media story, the contre temps, that involved vox is Carlos Maza, conservative comedian, Steven Crowder. And the policies that govern YouTube. And when we get a story like this, there's no better person to come on the pod, and explain it to us, and ringer staff, writer, Eliza, bresnik, so David, let's inaugurate a new segment called and get ready for the strain pun Olisa explains it all. Right. I'm sitting right here next. We're trying to figure out how we could cover this story, if we should cover this, or the answer was that we should cover the story. This is a media podcast. We Brian I or two old men sitting in the balcony, throwing tomatoes, the media. We don't quite understand what's going on here. So can you explain what's going on with YouTube, and Steven Crowder? The short answer is that it's just a huge mess. But we can go step by step. What was right about that? I let's start with Stephen starts there. Yeah. He is a conservative shock jock of sorts. He has, like three point eight million subscribers on YouTube, which is a lot of people concerning amount of people, you might say, and he has, like a late night show that like it's like a mix of pop culture and politics. Russia combs on YouTube at night. Well, yeah. I mean he just like, kind of, like that's when he fills it, it's a night vibe night vibe. Who knows when he acts, maybe it's an dark room at eight AM. And he if you don't if you're extremely online, but not extremely on YouTube. You probably know him best from a that, like one booth, where he's like sitting with a Cup of coffee under a banner that says male privilege is a myth, change my mind. Right. Okay. Yeah. You remember that mean radius I do. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, he you know, he got famous for being annoying on the internet surprise. And I'm this is I'm sorry them. Splitting hairs here. Is he actually a comedian? Like is he is he is he is he a funny he's a funny guy? Like that's his thing tries to, I mean, I think whether or not his humor is funny depends on whether or not you hate minorities, and stuff like that. All right. Use it the vernacular of a comedian. But he is offensive and not funny. Perhaps, is that is that fair enough? Yeah. That's fair to say. And that actually leads us to the next question in all of this, which is who is Carlos Maza. Right. And he is a vox journalist who does YouTube explainers, but, you know, the deal with progressive topics. And oftentimes he takes on conservative figures, like Tucker Carlson. He it's, it's snappy stuff. The videos are very straightforward. And. For some reason. Steven Crowder just got obsessed with Carlos Maza. I've seen the cubes of him talking about Carlos Maza and insulting him in everything else, it seems like he's dedicated. And again, maybe this is to be, this is a different sort of extremely online than I will ever be. He seems to be much more aware of Carlos Maza than I am aware of almost any of the written things on vox dot com. Right. Exactly. I mean I am impressed with, like how directly he engages with all Carlos Mazas work? This is this Mazda seems to have become a an unwilling like character on his show. Definitely, and I will say that this happens in the YouTube universally YouTubers, just like to have dialogues with each other and create beefs. Because it like you know, helps them gain followers drama is in high demand, there so peo-, so so it's in the concept pursuit of drama, most people or many people listening, this may have seen the Twitter video that I saw, which is just Steven Crowder, just launching, homophobic, epithets went after another at INCO's Ma. Direction and caused at edited together as a as far as I know, he personally edited together, this video of Steven Crowder being harassing him. Basically, I super cat, right. Homophobes overcut, but is everything that I need to know about Steven Crowder's conduct towards him in that SuperCup video. I you know, I haven't watched every Steven Crowder video. I did not do that for the segment. I'm sure there's way more an in general his humor is like pretty juvenile. It's rooted in hate often, so, you know, so explain for the people who haven't seen it. What goes on in that supercar share he, I mean, he just says that he refers to Maza as like a lispier queer? He ridicules him for for his heritage. And she, he's a I think he's a Latino heritage. And he. Yeah. I mean, like he just kind of intersperses that with his criticism. Or quote unquote debunking of Mazas points that he makes it his videos. And what happens when they take this refer this whole thing to YouTube with authorities about whether this is okay to do on your quote unquote, late night show, so that super cut that Mazza made was actually a last ditch effort. He'd been fighting these videos for years, every time he was mentioned in one of these videos, the millions of subscribers to Crowder's channel would harass him in some form, you know, all of his mentions would be filled with just kind of terrible vitriol, as per use, and he got fed up and made this big thread. He made that soubriquet at he said YouTube. Why haven't you done anything about this? It was a lot more accusatory than that. It was like something like YouTube. You don't care about the LGBT community your piece of shit YouTube, like lots of stuff like that. And YouTube sort of dislike dot owing along, eventually replies to this thread, and they say, okay, we're thanks for reaching out. We appreciate it. We're going to review these videos, and then they come back, and they say, well, these don't violate our policies and the policies on YouTube are pretty straightforward. They have an anti cyber bullying policy, which says that content intended to harass others is not a lot on YouTube. And there's just like very explicit like things to say if it's inciting harassment, if it's a personal talk, if it's an insult that's not. This seems to meet all of those qualifications. Yeah. Exactly. What if you don't specifically say go after this person, and harass them, then? That's it. Get out of jail free card. Yeah. I mean that's the thing it's open for interpretation. Right. There's got there's, there's an unknown person at YouTube, probably a PR team if we're being honest, or that's evaluating what's okay behind the scenes. It's not necessarily like an elected board of officials or like judges on the supreme court. It's just like YouTube corporate hacks, pobably just trying to save, you know, the company's reputation. I mean, I guess you can see from their point of view, that, if they were just like the mean there, are, there are three point eight million people give or take, who do you know subscribed to Steven Crowder and, and view him as a if not a respectable news source. Just some respectable. I mean, a source of entertainment to them, Stephen Colbert, tirade, and that, and that if they were just like you've made fun of this man for the last time and shut him down than a lot of people would view that as an infringement on his rights, or on a, you know, there'd be some violation of. Youtube vague pledge to as a neutral platform, raise your and that to be clear, like I don't think the threat was ever deep platform this person. I think the consideration was to d monetize him which is a different thing altogether. You know, Alex Jones with, like deep platform rate, but to de monetize space. It clean make it impossible to make money from at revenue for all videos are just the ones were in which he is for all of his. Channel knows his entire channel. All right. So what did you finally do did they do? They take any action at all. So they replied, and they were like we don't see a problem here and they framed it like he you know, this is a journalist, and he's a late night house. It's a common dynamic. And I just don't think that they really quite understood the intricacies of what was going on here. Anyway, people got really upset, and, you know, lots of think pieces were written about, like why YouTube is terrible. In the meantime, the right words like crying. Censorship, so you could imagine. That's one of the reasons YouTube didn't wanna take action this and eventually a YouTube just comes back, and they they're like, actually change your mind, we're gonna, we're gonna do monetize. And so, like, you know, with that was like within the span of a day, or something, they d- monetize, a channel, meaning he can't use his millions of us to earn money for ads and they say, it's because of a pattern of actions that have harm. And the broader community is probably the Vegas company line that you could possibly use. But then they get really confusing. And because Carlos Maza is like, you know, engaging sort of arguing with them online, they say, actually he just needs to remove a link in his profile that sells homophobic merchandise, and the merchandise says, socialism is for Fags. All right. I saw journal. So and then everyone's like what, what are you talking about? You you too. I got taken three positions within the span of two days. This. Biden of internet truly and he's just like just amazing incompetence from a tech company. I'm just sitting there on the internet this entire time, and then thirty minutes later team YouTube on Twitter says, hey again, hey sorry for the confusion, the channels demonetized monetize, because Crowder violated all these things, and he needs to change that to get the monetization back. Do you think there is a deliberate effort by pure departments to like, if you if, if contradictory stories appear in the media within twenty four hours in, like the vast majority of readers like me, and they dislike earn are unable to comprehend the existence of either one, this is just deliberately confusing? The issue of the point where like nobody cares anymore. I will say, like if you're extremely online, this is a fascinating thing. That's it is saying. But if you're not extremely online. It's like why would I read through an entire article explaining all the dumb things YouTube dead? It's what happens after YouTube makes its final decision here. So. I mean just at this point, there's been so much media attention because people to keep, you know, reporting the changes in YouTube decision and so the far right? Gets really riled up about it. They're just you know, they're like, oh my God. This is just part of a larger effort to deep lot forum conservatives. This is censorship. Have you thought of silken diamond in all of this? Dime. If you're not familiar with, like this Facebook page that brought was brought up at the Facebook testimony way too many times asked to ask how we compare we would've simple diamond with you every time he record. Exactly. Yeah. And you know there's just like way too many terrible interviews. You know, AFC got involved and she was like, yeah. This is an example of like the bad policies of tech companies and Glenn Greenwald got involved in a foolish. Yeah. Get himself involved. Yeah he tweeted about it. He didn't say he didn't like call out the specific YouTubers in question. But he said something like this is a big mistake or something. And that's one of his big hobby horses conservatives being deep lead formed, quote, unquote. I think I understand what the story is about now and, and it's probably not much more complicated than I thought. But thanks. Thank you for cutting through some of that, just fog. So what is the takeaway, can they continue to be worried about the power that YouTube exerts overs? David be worried Elissa. Can I continue to be going to go back to sleep pack or do I have to be worried about big Tex? I mean say should I be cheering on big? Tex attempts to silence evil conservatives where what is what is the point of view than taking right now? What a question I think the end result of all of this is that we're just all supposed to be extremely disappointed in YouTube, like in the far it's like the one thing that's uniting, the right and the left at this moment is like we're all just. Like shocked at how incompetent and disappointing. This large checkup knee with a ton of power is unbelievable. Yeah, I would say that also, it's, it's like a good moment to examine the way that every different check company does this and try and parse out like how YouTube is different. You know, Facebook has also avoided taking on any sort of ideological slant said that they can make as much money as possible. Same goes for Twitter, like still got some Nazis on that platform, and then but with YouTube, I think their relationship is kind of unique because it's the one place where they're directly paying their creators, like an employer employee relationship. So it to kind of, like take the backseat year on YouTube, sparred and be like, oh, we're not responsible for this stuff like we don't agree with these views like, but it's still on our platform thing, that's like kind of incompetent negligent. When you start thinking about the employer relationship there. Elissa bresnik. Splaine's at all. Yes. That was fantastic. I am much more informed than I was fifteen minutes ago. Thank you very much. Yeah, thanks. I have me. David, if it's funny that Steven Crowder, is considered a journalist, I present this tweet from law, and crime news court rules that Dwayne the rock. Johnson is a journalist of now. The, the actual story is a court ruling involving his HBO, doc rock and a hard place. One of the corrections officers in the dock was charged with various crimes, and HBO and the rock are trying to quash a subpoena for outtakes from the dock, but now that the rock is a journalist will he be doing the following things. Will he be tweeting details of his reporting process for a piece that nobody cares about? And when he publishes a story will he tweet here. A few great quotes, didn't make the peace that do you think that will be part of the rocks, de smell what I'm cooking instead of just citing anonymous sources if he would just begin to cite the source and then coming over the top and say it doesn't matter what your sources. All right. It's time for David guesses. These strain pun headline. You've trust me on this one. As soon as my Sunday LA times landed on the driveway. I get so excited about this headline. We this is from this Sunday, LA times from this Sunday's printed edition. And then a reader named Alex Senate to me, a couple of hours later. So, you know, it's great potential Alzheimer here. David, this is on the front page, a one, a fascinating story by Lewis, a Hagen who writes about desert tortoises in the Mojave desert who are being killed by ravens. There is, as a Higgins, Thursday, raven population explosion in the American west. Okay. Okay. Stick with me. Now, the point of the story is there is new conservation program in which a drone flies over a Raven's nest and sprays the eggs with oil in order to give our cute little tortoises a fighting chance. Okay. Drone flying over the raven nest spraying the eggs with oil. Wait, can I get elicit back in near there? We are the oil drone is killing raven. Ravens in the in the nest. Yes. So when you spray, the raven eggs with oil, the raven does not hats, the raven dies. So then the tortoises live, okay? This is like a deep. This is like, would you go back in time and kill baby Hitler? I'm not sure if I'm come through a story at all. What is the pun headline for spraying? The raven eggs with oil to save the tortoise, you either have to go with the tour of the tortoise and the hare. Or you have to go with Edgar Allan Poe, Raymond nodding vigorously. I just want to go on the record and say, I had a long standing bit about why they never named the Baltimore Ravens defense. Never more defense. It never I don't know why no one ever got. There are always looking for a name. But anyway, so it's something with quote the re I mean nodding nodding with the raven never. You're, you're, you're, you're putting oil on the as you might call that a when we apply paint. We apply a new coat. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Chris, I made ADA is laughing with his tongue out from across the room right now coat the raven nevermore alright. It is coat the ravens ever more of question. Mark seeing colon nevermore. This might be one of the worst, we've ever had fascinating story, by the way, if you if looking at the printed edition of the LA times, do not be deterred coat. The ravens evermore. He is David shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis research, by the tongue wagging, Chris l Mehta Jim Cunningham as our producer extraordinaire more. Lukewarm takes on the media on Friday. See then David we're now up to twice upon them in Nigeria. Aided. Spent four months working on this story. And I'm really excited to share with you. The ringer paid David shoemaker to sit at home for six months. Put it like just writing the purpose pros get magic that I would never rate added make the trains run. I know how to the machine that the beast, we're. Maybe maybe I'm wrong to lesson. We just had this incredible luxury working on the internet, where someone says I wanna write the most important piece of my career. You say. Congratulates David shoemaker. Get your ass tomorrow. David fascinating story, by the way. Yeah. Anyway, would you go back in time and kill baby Hitler? What a question you have to be prepared to do that to public and say asked what gin what did just weird and Gerry specific thing to talk about? Yeah. At this moment in history. Listen, I know this isn't a popular thing. But, like I know how what it takes to gauge asked this just in day cares. This is bullshit. We all know what's bullshit, but you get to go and try to explain something that really makes no sense at all. Was your initial reaction to this whole. I don't get it. Is there something that I'm just missing about the about the I just love it? It's not that you have a certain twinkling. You're right. No. It's that you're just number one. Unapologetic number two devil may care about the ramifications of this stance. Tape? And that's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah. It's not me that change. It's the world the checks. Right. Right. Right.

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Older Parents During a Quarantine, Sports That Are Trying to Come Back, and Listener Mail | The Press Box

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Okay what's it? Like to be a grownup kid like us and worry about your parents during this pandemic. Oh man well I mean I should say that my experience has been. I think a little bit more peaceful than a lot of the people that I've talked to it. I can just anecdotally. It seems like not only is the over. Seventy set the most susceptible to the corona virus. But they also seem to be the most just like woefully oblivious again that's totally anecdotal and based mostly on the conversations with ringer staffers. Another close friends but But I mean my my point of view. I mean my situation. I don't think is terrible unique? I will say one thing that's unique about it is I mean. Slightly unique is on the adult child of divorce. My parents split up when I was thirty. So you know worrying about my parents kind of took on a new definition in adulthood. You know I mean it's it's my concern for them is framed a little bit differently than if it's earlier or if they had stayed together obviously but it is a real thing we were by the time we were getting dodge it. Was you know a little bit with my parents in North Carolina and they were just sort of like very clear eyed about it but not in a very personal way and both my parents have jobs can put them in harm's way to some extent and my dad's a preacher Thankfully they they called off church really early in and Did Not bus anybody into services or anything nutty like that they. They've been conducting. He's been conducting church over the Internet. Almost exclusively youtube and stuff like that. My mom is the works. The front desk at a retirement community and has been determined has been designated essential employees and essential employees. So she's been going to work on a fairly regular basis. They actually had to move. I don't know if this matters if this falls on the warring category but I'm constantly checking in to see what they're doing is he like how safe she is doing. They basically took her desk from the main Lodhi because for two reasons one because they needed the space for what? I'm about to describe it because the people who live at the retirement community were congregating at her desk because they didn't have anywhere else to go. They like they were sort of so that they were you know they had to stay inside the buildings so they just kind of start moving further and further away from their normal routes and they were just like hanging out at the front desk and they had to move the desk to keep them from standing there so they moved her desk into like what was formerly A. I believe some sort of janitorial room. That was right off the main lobby now. The main lobby is. I think just used for the volunteers who are taking the temperature of every essential person coming in and out I mean. Ups people dropping packages etc And doing the best they can to screen so my mom is a doorway away from this and you know just being taken good care of. Obviously everybody lives. There is I mean it is a great interest. Everybody there is completely safe But she is there every day and you know I mean. She is kind of in a potential hot zone. I don't know it's a lot. It's a lot but at the end of the story is both. My parents need to be doing very very conscientious job. But it's just you know it's it's it is definitely sunk in it took a little while but Everything but they're you know it's still a constant concern. My mom is I think almost in the same boat mentally. She's retired former high school counselor and It's the same thing clear. I do. Use Your word about it but also it's this process like it is R- everybody about sinking in in a funny thing about this To put ourselves in their heads for a moment is it. We live in this world where everybody's living longer right. Everybody's being told you can do so many more things past the age of seventy than you could ever do before and then krona virus comes along and all of a sudden that Silver Fox on the cover of AARP magazine. They're like Oh. I'm sorry that person who's living their best life and going on vacation and go into restaurants and having that extra glass when they're like Oh. You can't do that anymore. You in particular can't do that anymore And my mom said this to me the other day struck by she's like I've never felt so old in my life I've ever felt more like I'm old because I have to follow all these rules even more stringently than everybody else. Yeah because I'm at risk and you know like it's just so striking to me because like I said society has been telling people for so long. You're not old right. Seventies the new fifty eight hundred sixty whatever it is and all of a sudden it sinks in like. Oh Wow we're in the category of quote unquote old people. Who have to really watch out for this. Yeah that's that's that's really true and I think that that's you know I think from a distance we're we're all kind of sitting and I speak for our entire generation here. I think that it's something that we you know. I mean this isn't unique to us. Then you're always in denial that your parents mortality certain extent until it's real reality and and kind of come to grips with that. And what is you know as clear eyed as you might be speaking about us now? It's still a rather intangible thing you know it's always tangible till it's not and it's You know it. It's hard to know exactly the kind of conversation you should be having. You know I mean it's it's we're all sort of difficult position because you don't WanNa you don't WanNa be the you know you don't want to. Well I mean I was GonNa say you don't WanNa be you know become your parents and sort of be ticking them every day but I think for a lot of us. We've already become that we're parents ourselves But you know it's it's a tough situation. I have during this whole corona virus thing. Become my parents to my mom he absolutely. I am a helicopter son now and you know I started when you and I are pride in our twenties or thirties and you started to have those. Your parents would do something that they probably shouldn't have done. And you have that tough love now. Mom Conversation you know and and your mom at that point they will. This is certainly a reversal. Because I used to have these conversations with you right now I feel like I have that conversation every three or four days now because my mom's doing something wrong but just because like apparent like she was with me way back when I'm probably still is. I'm so worried right and I myself saying the exact same words is that she said to me. It's like I'm just saying this mom because I love you. I don't want anything to happen you. I know I'm being annoying. I know I seem annoying but I just don't want anything to happen you. It's just amazing how that's come all the way back around again just down to the wording and down to that just raw emotional you know. Just it's just like you know I. I guess I finally understand is what I'm trying to say right. I understand a certain extent with my kids but that just fear that something is going to happen. That's going to be something stupid right that just going to be some little thing that's GONNA lead to somebody getting sick or something. I JUST WANNA say I get it really do and you know. I think I've sort of told my mom that about nineteen different ways over the last three weeks when we talk every day legally in the late afternoon. I wanted to ask if you had the obligatory technology conversation with your parents by that I mean. Here's how zoom works. Here's how like some part of prime video or Netflix. That you didn't previously understand works. Have you been down? That road No thankfully not too much. I mean my my dad and his wife seemed to have figured out how to do. Is Youtube You know messages and everything Functional degree so You know so far so good on that count and you know we've got facetime and such technologies down pat pretty much since you know at least since the baby was born for sure so I mean we. We're coasting right now but I know my wife's family is all in on like you know different messaging apps and different faced. I mean different video conferencing APPs. Because you know various technologies involved in the sheer number people so But they everybody seems pretty quickly. I'm grateful for that the one my wife and I have done when we rent a new movie on Amazon like we watch that new. Emma Nevada Emma the other day so my mom and I chair a prime account so I can call my mom and say okay. We just paid fifteen dollars to watch Emma so for the next forty eight hours you can watch it to Texas. And I'm not mentioning names here David. But if you want to motivate your seventy plus year old parents tell them they can get something for free over the next forty eight hours to push that button. And I can't wait to tell you I can't wait till jeff visas. Here's this and takes away the free Amazon Kennedy's dining out on just blew everything. I mean it just it just to me the one of the hardest parts of this is you and I feel really lean into the role of loving. You know son and we're really really really really close to our parents. We you and I are famous about getting on planes and going home all the time. We don't need a holiday to do that and it just makes you feel so helpless because like. I can't do that you know. I can't do. They even had the conversation. My mom issues like if anything happens. I don't want you getting on a plane I mean. Just think about that for a second you know and I am devaluing going to try not to cry the segment but he just can't help right at the time when you know again knock on wood. Hopefully it's everything's GonNa be fine but they may need your help like they've never needed before. Because you are literally endangering endangering your parents by doing that and that to me and there are thousands of miles away as they are in your case and mine. I want to bring in our producer. Jim here to please because his his situation is I think emotionally similar to ours but even more so because his parents are in New York City which is such an epicenter for Corona virus cases. How you've been holding up Jim. I'm alright I made. It has been brutal. My parents are actually in Westchester in the suburbs. My sister's in New York City though so if that makes it any better any worse I'm not really sure But yeah it's been really hard from being so far away as you're saying about getting on the flight about two or three weeks ago. When trump announced the international flight been. I bought a ticket that night. I think I spoke to both of you. Guys possibly going to fly back to New York before some domestic flights were cancelled or whatever it was going to be and I was just torn. I bought a flight for three hours later and then I canceled an hour later. 'cause I was thinking you know I can't even go see them and be with them so it still have to like facetime from wherever and God forbid they got sick if I did go back to New York and then Debbie hanging on my head whether or not. I brought it from the airport because they were just telling me to come back but they weren't taking it as seriously at that time which has been rough 'cause you were saying about feeling like you're becoming the parent for them. That's how I M I ask every day like you know I it starts with how was their day and then I liked triumph. Subtly more try and figure out like if they left the house or what they did and then there's been times when I tried face time. Them like facetime my dad and he doesn't pick up and then. I facetime my mom and she doesn't pick up and I'm just wondering if they're out of the House I'm like what the hell are these people doing? I'm basically my parents on like a Saturday night when I was in high school wondering where the Hell I was like what I was doing Jason. I've seen a couple articles about people. Writing about how their spouse or partner is suddenly watching them work. Like you know you're usually away. All Day spousal partners just didn't see you second to second and then they just see how weird you are during your working life and you're like oh. I feel seen I feel. Our parents are feeling that they suddenly feel seen. Because you you know their whole schedule you know exactly like like. I know when my mom's going to the grocery store if she's going to the grocery store I didn't know that before I didn't have that mom and are extremely close but I did not have that level of detail right and the other thing I've been by his just how much my mom does slash did and you know just like you know it's again. It's the total dumb sort of Sun thing of I'm busy man and going everywhere and doing everything and my mom will be just fine watching movies up. No she. She was busy all these social and pigments. She had classes at the college. And all these tons of stuff to do. And that's all been curtailed. I'm like wow. I learned a lot. I actually said to my mom at one point. I was like you didn't leave the house. The first twenty years I was alive but that was always wondering when she would ever leave the house and she'd never would leave me alone and now Z. Has To leave all the time. It's amazing I feel compelled here to talk about how lucky we all are how privileged to have parents who were secure in terms of housing income and health. Because that's clearly not the case of the rest of the rest of the country. Benji Saarland is a great political reporter over at NBC. Former colleague of mine. He was tweeting last week about his. Dad Bob Serlin Who is in a nursing home? And he says Bob Serlin lives in a nursing home where two hundred plus residents across five facilities have covered nineteen two hundred people that magic a fear. We're all in meshed in here. If they were in that kind of environment he said the staff at the nursing home got one in ninety five mask a week and one gown per shift and they cannot isolate sick people within those nursing homes Benji and his wife were were calling not as reporters but just to kind of find out some information and and saying Oh. We're reported we'RE NOT. This is all off the record. This is all personal and found that the caregivers were actually saying no. No we want you to publicize this because we need help and we don't have help In in the case of Ben's Dan he says dad is disabled from a stroke and require special care Even scarier on April Second Benji Serlin tweets. My Dad tested positive for corona virus tonight but is doing well at the hospital. He appreciates any prayers and then days after that. He said he's still in the hospital receiving oxygen but stable and in good spirits. The whole thing is very unpredictable though so taking it all day by day so again just to shine a light on you know what a happy knock on wood. Happy privileged position were sitting in. It is rough and people again. It's just that utter helplessness. Right you know you. You can't sometimes you can't do anything and you know even in this wonderful world where we can buy cheap airfares all the time and go see our parents much more than we could have like thirty years ago. You can't do it. You can't push the button and I don't know much you'd have a man that is. That is a feeling of helplessness. With my mom like I do not ever remember experiencing absolutely true One more on this was talking to my mom on Tuesday. She had just listened to the previous edition of the press box and her first question. I am not making this up. Who now is is David. Okay he sounded Kinda weary on the last podcast. Man Probably was A. Yeah this is this is maybe subject but as a both a writer enter. Podcast her. Why I'll put it this way. I was over the writing part. I used to write at night because I had a day job and and I would usually write the date like on deadline right. I did turn something by midnight and so I would leave work and maybe take a quick nap and then I would go and I would start writing and sometimes I would just like you know. Put a beautiful bow on at ten thirty or eleven o'clock or something and sometimes I just wouldn't be done and like at twelve fifteen just kinda like like faked an ending and turned it in and hope for the best and I started getting like more positive feedback for the ones. I didn't finish than the ones that I actually thought were perfect and I was like I'll never figure it out but I can't. I don't feel bad about turning him in that way anymore. And then with podcasting. It's the same way I I have an exact inverse opinion of my performance vis-a-vis the way people respond to it. So actually you know I. I think I felt a little bit tight earlier this week but I was hoping that would work out for the best. I guess your mom your mom can seat probate. I guess this is the day after Wrestlemainia to see were busy but just just know. Mrs Curtis Mrs Curtis noticed the difference. And we she. She's worried about all her kids. Who are I David? Time for the overworked twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. There was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Please send your nominees to at the press. Box pod David Stephanie Grisham is out as White House press secretary she will be replaced by. Kaley mcenaney during her nine month run. Grisham never gave a single briefing to the press not one. It was an over twitter joke to right if a press secretary is fired in the forest and no one was ever briefed. Did it ever have a job? Thanks to living internal for that one bite. What by the way even in the trump is fear. What a star-crossed position press secretary has been like Sean Spicer? Who was the most trolled man on planet Earth Now? Looks like Mike McCurry in this whole thing. I mean he is. He is the figure Who's actually the best? I think which is really terrifying David other news on Wednesday the LA Times Food. Twitter Account tweeted the following during Corona virus people are scrambling to get eggs and that was a relatively safe pun but in the replies people took us into the realm of a thousand and one knock knock jokes some examples the yolks on them. The decision whether to click for me was over easy and my favorite. I was going to read this but I'm let you finish. I'm Oh let you finish. Thanks to rave for that one and David we've talked about what a shit show the White House Corona virus press briefing is nearly maces. Couldn't possibly get worse. Well on Wednesday. This happened on suicide. One of the biggest rating hits of the crow viruses decipher springs. Has Been a show on Netflix. Called Tiger King and side the man. Who's The star of this former zoo owner? Who Serving Twenty Year prison sentence? He's asking you for a pardon saying he was unfairly convicted. Your son yesterday. Jokingly said that he was going to advocate for it and I was wondering if you've seen showing if you have any thoughts on cordoning had done. It must be done. I had a feeling. Is that what he said? Nothing about his twenty two years for what what did he do? Allegedly hired someone who murdered animal. Rights activists but. He said that he didn't do that. You think he did know. Are you on his side? Are you recommending a pardon? No I'm not advocating for. You're not allowed to do that. You'd be criticized by these. Would you recommend a pardon on now? I don't think he would. I don't think he would go ahead. You have a question. I'll take a look at your exotic. That's jokes that was CNN's. Jim Acosta there at the end Try Valiantly to get us back on. Track It was an overweight twitter. Joke to right Joe. Exonerated Joe exonerated thanks to Gary Blackburn. By the way can I just indulge? You just bask in the fact that Ed trump when presented with this cockamamie question and they're one of his sons tweeted a bed. It was like which was it done. Yeah I I guess it was on. I think we could all guess it was like even even. He is fully fully cognizant of the perception the widespread perception of his sons and daughter. I'm assuming to anyway go on. Y- I guess what struck me about? The way that was phrased was the one of the breakout. Hits of the Corona Virus I saw somebody referred to the thing. John Krasinski is doing on twitter. Yeah that way the other day one of the break. Let's not use. The term breakout hits of the Koran. The term breakout is particularly unfortunate. Certainly one of the most infectious things. This is this current a virus has given us. I hate the whole bad look bad optics thing but just stop it please Nothing should be a breakout. Hit of the corona virus if you find the White House Corona virus briefing and Tiger King to have the exact same amount of redeeming value which is to say none congrats. You made the over twitter joke of the week time for the notebook. Dumb and David. Don't you know those big sports leagues that have been on the shelf for awhile have been sitting back saying what's important is the health of the country will only come back and stop playing when it's appropriate and not a second sooner? Ha? They didn't say that they are trying to come back. And give us the content that so many people crave got a couple of examples for you on Tuesday. Espn's Jeff Passan published a report detailing. A plan by Major League Baseball to get the baseball season started by May. That's next month with all the Games taking place in Arizona. The plan would require quote players. Coaching staffs and other essential personnel to be sequestered at local hotels where they would live in relative isolation and travel only to and from the stadium. I recommend our colleagues Cramps piece on this. He wrote. It's one thing ask. Mlb players earning an average of four million per year to leave their families for months to play a game an extraordinarily tricky thing of course but even aside from the inherent difficulty such a situation presents players could have children born in that time or family members. Die from the virus or any number of other circumstances that would complicate a case for complete isolation but when that ask extends to workers in lower tax brackets. The whole notion transforms from foolishly. Optimistic to heartlessly rapacious. What did you think when you heard of the whole? Mlb Plan Yeah. I think I'd co-sign everything that's accent I mean I. It's it's optimistic. Is I. Think the nicest way could possibly put it. I mean the NBA. We're going to talk with the NBA and a little bit too I think that there's there we're we're at this weird spot where I think were edging towards a consensus that that is you know planning to be in place do we. As a country might benefit from organized sports depending on how long this thing's going to go but it does seem to be a sort of like. It's we're at this crossroads between kind of a volunteer based plan which doesn't seem to be pretty nearly replace. What is what is lost and this sort of MLB trial balloon which is just absolutely bonkers in the opposite direction. Now I will say that. I floated this idea way before the corona virus. And I'll take credit for because I got so roundly laughed at at the time but we were an no. No ideas are bad. I don't even know how this came up. We were talking about like what the future of sports were in some all hands ringer meeting and I was like you know if you look at. If you look at like bask- basketball particularly look it's worth these days like. None of the athletes live in the city. They play in unless they happened to play an LA. None of the owners are from or or work or live in the cities where they own their teams. Nolan's watch it. No one's going to live games anymore watching on TV. No one has. I mean the allegiance for your local hometown. Team is going down and down people. Just pick teams they like based on. Nba League pass or basically edging towards some sort of like sci fi movie where there's like twelve teams playing basketball on the moon and you can end beamed into different places and I actually picked like. Why don't they just you know I? It's their small market teams. Forget about it should move all the teams Texas and California and Florida. Who's GonNa Complain With One? We'll we'll leave New York just for fun and and everybody laughed at me but like really. That's what's being pitched right now. The best way forward in this crazy world that we live in is like you know like some battle. Dome on the moon where everybody's gonNA fight for supremacy. I mean it's really it's it's. It's almost mind boggling. The NHL's idea was to finish out the season in North Dakota. Yeah I I just love going. Where the corona virus isn't or isn't an huge concentration which totally reorders what you're talking about like you know. We have tons if you grew up in North Dakota. You're like man that sucks. I don't have a You know a professional team in the stadium and we've got everybody over there in Minneapolis. I don't have like a team. I can root for right here. Oh we're bringing the whole. Nhl TO NORTH DAKOTA. That's an idea The NBA looked into options to stages playoffs under quarantine with whole teams in the same hotel to which? Lebron James responded. I ain't going for that shit so that's That didn't go over so well My favorite though. It is absolutely my favorite Dana White sang-hoon to buying a private island where the UFC fighters would come in via private plane to have fights with this a Steven seagal movie from our childhood that I'm forgetting or is this. Is this the best or worst black? Boxing novel from the fifties that we've had been forgotten by mankind anyway. This is literally the backstory for enter. The Dragon. Like this is this is this is one hundred percent a combat story that we've been living with their whole life just imagine role is and then. The New York Times reported the other day that he was going to hold this next pay per view on reservation. Land in California because he can evade the laws of putting people together. That is just wild. That is absolutely wild The NFL is off right now but of course they're going ahead with their the NFL draft huge event here in a couple of weeks. There was this whole peer king column. I read with interest on Monday because all these NFL guys or at least the people who write about them are making. It seem like this huge sacrifice that they're doing what they would normally be doing accepted home at sentiment. The team facility he yeah. I saw the the Kansas City chiefs twitter account. Put up a picture of Andy Reid in his basement watching tape the other day with the little goat emoji. So you're telling me that Andy. Reid is incredibly admirable because instead of being at the office watching tape in the off season. He's watching it from home. Shouldn't he re doing something else right now? Is it that important? How admirable that he's just still watching tape in the middle of a pandemic here? It's either eighteen chief staffers. It had to come into his home to set that system up into wire the whole thing like the people's lives at risk because of that set up Yeah no I mean it's it's also funny. It's also funny thing I said before that there will. I think there is a real technical. There's a big technical question marks around how this draft is. GonNa go over that hitch. Somebody's Internet goes down. Then you know did I. Don't know if you get a pass or is this just. GonNa you know if if Bill Belichick is probably just sitting in his room just waiting laying in wait for someone to go over the person before him to go over on there a lot of time and he's GonNa make multiple picks you know. I mean it's I think the bigger organization is the more problematic it's gonna be but but yeah. These are people doing their jobs. I mean this is somebody rebel. Somebody raised the idea of the zoom bombing happening. If you've got your whole scouting staff on the zoom call and you're like okay. Let's pick this guy here because we think the other guy we really likes gonNA fall to the next round like what if a team? Another team infiltrated that call but again at the end of the day. You're calling in ED or however you're getting into the NFL and you are picking a player that that's all you're doing here. I saw Chris. Chris Ballard said this impure kings com. They'll make thirty for thirty on this draft. One day they will really. They're just GONNA. This is such an inspiring effort. Also Roger Goodell is gonNA apparently announce the picks from his home under one plan. Didn't really need Roger Goodell. Is it not official? Until he says it I mean. Can it not just be like the? Ncaa selection show where the player's name just POPs up on the screen. And that means he's been Roger Need to pronounce all the names aloud. Roger Cell Bad when he saw that Andy Reid photo now he feels like somebody's to see him doing his job from his like Armoire Barcalounger as well there. We go the goat. Roger Goodell announcing announcing names even from Home David a quick word on Bernie Sanders. He is finally out of the Democratic campaign after that. Ghastly scene of voters in Wisconsin trudging to the polls on Tuesday with mass on The general election matchup now will be Joe Biden versus Donald Trump officially. Here's Bernie speaking about his defeat and so today I'm announcing the suspension of by campaign. Cleese though that I do not make this decision lightly in fact that has been a very difficult and painful decision over the past few weeks Jane and I in consultation with top staff and many of prominent supporters have made an honest assessment of the prospects of victory. If I believe we had a feasible Panther nomination I would certainly continue the campaign. But it's just not there. I know that there may be some movement. Who Disagree with this decision. Could like us to fight on for the last ballot cast at the Democratic convention. I understand that position but if I see the crisis gripping the nation exacerbated by a president unwilling or unable to provide any kind of credible leadership and the work that needs to be done to protect people in this most desperate hour I cannot in good conscience continued about the campaign. They cannot win. And which would interfere with important work required of all of us in this difficult hour. We touched on this last week. David but isn't it amazing? How hard it is for a mega new story. A mega political news story like this one to break through in a time of pandemic. Yeah I mean. Just kind of shocking. How quickly we got two and a brief word on Bernie Sanders. I mean the reason why we're doing this podcast twice. A week is because of Bernie Sanders because of the presidential election right. I mean that was central focus for so long and the campaign became a footnote. Not just his campaign. The campaign in the primary contests in general became a footnote to. What's going on around the world I think is You know all the explanation that you really need for what happened. Although it is interesting to think that you know that this sort of puts at least for Sanders might have put the reality that he was facing into a stark relief for. Maybe it made you know the the appeal of a sort of creek candidacy of a message. Candidacy was obviously kind of out the window but it is it is kind of interesting to think of of how. Sanders himself got to this point soon as I saw the picture from the Wisconsin Primary That was going all over the place the other day. This is the picture of the woman wearing a mask in line to vote and she was holding a big sign. That says this is ridiculous and behind her. You saw this whole line of people wearing masks. Who were sent out there to vote because the Republicans in Wisconsin would not delay. The election. Wouldn't cooperate with the governor's attempts to delay the elections. That was a moment I was like this is over. There is no way that Bernie Sanders is going to make people do this any more. My Age is not going to happen and I believe that comes from you. Know as much from political calculation as as Bernie himself just being like I'm not going to subject people to this Pedo or putting themselves in danger and to the extent that I guess we're going to have these primaries at some point. They've almost all been delayed at this point but to the extent that I at the that me being in this race is just putting any single person in harm's way there's just no way he's GonNa do no way and At that point I was just. I don't I don't see how we can do this by the way that photo was taken by a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Intern named Patricia McKnight Welcome to the big leagues. That was an absolutely incredible news. Captivated everybody should we worry about Linda? Tripp yeah huge figure from the nineteen nineties. Linda TRIPP has died of pancreatic cancer. She was seventy years old If you don't know who she was she was the woman. Government worker who set part of the Bill Clinton scandal in motion by secretly taping her pal Monica Lewinsky and acting as a go-between With reporters and other people on the right. Do we have anything to say about Linda TRIPP? Rip and I. I have no idea what to say. This feels like the like the test case for just mentioned and move on. I mean I think it's worth noting. Certainly her impact on our young lives. In the way that we view politics I think cannot be overstated but I don't know if it was inevitability or I mean at the end of the day you know what she did was will not be. Viewed by history is particularly admirable or particularly you know momentous but yeah I mean it did. Shift the way the everything that we will. I mean every conversation that will ever have about politics is is going to be viewed for the lens that she helped create totally Monica Lewinsky herself tweeted yesterday. No matter the past upon hearing the Linda tripp is very seriously ill. I hope for her recovery. I can't imagine how difficult this is for her family. Let's do a little listener mail. David do this every Thursday since questions about anything at at the press box pot anything at all our first one comes from Mark Casey. I love this question. What is the most approachable non-threatening homemade facemask color? It's a real debate in my house. I say -Til Dang I mean white slash like very pale medical green or whatever No I'm saying anything in the in the actual like a real face mask could be this color. Category is both by one definition. More approachable because you feel you. You might be mistaken for thinking that that's it safer and but it's also there's also some kind of off putting about someone that might have just come from a medical facility. Yes it so willingly medical I wouldn't. I wouldn't vote for that at all. But so if it's just we're just talking about homemade t shirt or a scarf base masks. Yeah I don't know they're sending -til seems a little bit like insouciant like there's other something a little bit like like there's a little the little league lack of seriousness. They're probably say like a yellow. Like yellow has a sort of like formal formal kind of metaphorical function. But it's also like playful. I don't know I don't know if it's gotta be a solid color. I think that would be my choice yet. -Til Kinda sounds like our MOMS. Who were talking about earlier. That sounds like the color of earrings are scarf. They would by this point in their life. I was GONNA say repurposing scars for them. This letters from Dave Schalke. He writes David and Brian. What are you most looking forward to doing when the quarantine ends this apart from just getting away from your kids for an hour or two because we all know that's number one for everyone. What are you looking for to David? Two things one and by the way I share this feeling with my kids and my entire family. I don't I'm not. I don't think the first thing I do is going to be to sprint. Number one is chain. Restaurant are every time I go to the store we pass. There is an intersection. That has a a Texas roadhouse on one side. And what's the other Texas Steakhouse and Longhorn steakhouse? Yeah they're across the street from one another and it is taken everything in our power to not just pull over and just gets into go or for one of those places because I think at least one of the two is open. So yeah I but it's not just the food because the food is that the IT sitting down there. My brother-in-law who lives in New Orleans and has been quarantines at his place with his fiancee for a while. Now just talking to my wife sisters the other day it was. Just I just WANNA order appetizers. Like that's all I want. I associated with that so much. It's like I just want to go somewhere wrecking get some like fishbowl drinks. Some appetizers that probably don't play off the main course very well. A nice big juicy steak you know maybe like a sixty four ounce beer in a frosty mug of some. You know something in that of that. Variety dissimilar wreck and plop down in a leather at a chair on other bench and a booth and just know that my but will be there for like an hour plus while I'm just consuming like that is the dream that's number one but then the other the other thing which I guess is similar but it's it is a deep desire that that we've all my whole family has had that doesn't mean that's the thing that we've done that's fun whatever. But it's overwhelming us. It's like the desire for like a cigarette when you see somebody smoking one movie. So we want to go bowling. That could I think I think because it's the most irrational the Mo like the wrong thing you could do right now between like it's germs in every direction but just being a bowling alley eating trash food with the giant Frosty Beers and and just like just just being. They're doing this thing out in public it just to for some reason. I cannot stop thinking about it. It seems so blissfully normal. Yeah and I think that's probably why it's powerful our pal kyle cost. Her has a question about big and rich If you have a question about big and rich you get right to the front of the line He writes with the College Game Day theme song now in an explicit threat do big enrich heavy legal exposure to worry about it. Here's here's the College Game Day theme uh-huh now we're coming to. Your city has never sounded so chilling as it does right now I would by the way. Just just go ahead and sponsor a class action suit against big and rich which has nothing to do with us at all we just can we just get that in the pipeline anyway. But that's just just just please move on along you know he's big and rich is being called. Yeah I love this. Do they break up? Or is that just thinking of Brooks and Dunn I'm not sure if they broke up. I think which one of them is. A is a Fox News starrewards and seems to be doing a whole lot of stuff on his own. Is that rich? I think so as I think he had a reality show and then separately has been appears on on the talking head. A whole bunch But I'm not sure if they formally severed their partnership or not. Our friends got to bias. Writes this David. Never too early to talk about twenty twenty eight right curious to see what you guys think about. Ao See as a torchbearer for Bernie's policies. On a presidential scale. I think she attracts a broader coalition and might strike at a more demographically optimal time. What say you know man? I think that I think it's really hard to predict. I think that she certainly has a certain level of of national exposure that That is you know absolutely. I mean it's worth a billion dollars. I mean there's you can't there's nothing more I mean. Nobody would turn that down but Just the level of indignity that she faces at the hands of Breitbart Dot com every day of the week. It's kind of hard to quantify. I mean literally. I don't know how to quantify the amount of damage that will do her q rating by the time. The election would actually roll around. So I mean it's tough to say I think it's separate from all of that show. I think she's attractive candidate but I think that I think she's got a long way to go and I don't think I mean I just don't think the American electorate is the same as the New York elected. I think that certainly she can work the same sort of far. I mean leftist kind of upending the establishment SORTA campaign. But I think the issues in themselves have to get a little bit. Have to broaden a little bit but who knows here's what I think. Ao See may actually be a really really clever politician. It hasn't been tested on a national scale. Yeah but what we've seen her. Do not only winning her election the first time but just the way. She's put herself out there though way. She communicates Uses twitter use a social media? All that kind of stuff she. She's really really good and to see that tested in a national race where she knew what her vulnerabilities were. Who may be? Which I think Scott is implying here a little bit. She's not just kinda running into the brick wall in the same way Bernie Sanders is. She's like no no. I'm GonNa Win Right. I'M GONNA figure out a way to be me and also win. I it'd be fascinating. Yeah and as as you say. She's basically like Sean Hannity's lead story every nights who knows maybe she's just been poisoned for half of the electorate now and in its might just not work but God. I'd love to see that. I think it'd be fascinating as story Chad Orville Wright's this David. If there were to be a mass move to vote by mail for the November elections. How many news. Anchors heads would explode like in scanners over not having clear results on election night. This is such a good point. Because do you remember two thousand eighteen when all those California ballots were taking so long to get in because we vote by mail here in California? Yeah you're you're at least allowed to vote by mail here in California and Republicans you saw just immediately but it's like when we don't count the votes instantly. There's we go right to water doing with the votes. I wait a second. It's been a week and in the races are all changing. Republicans that were ahead or losing because it and it's over week. They must be doing something wrong. There is something about counting votes quickly. That puts everybody's mind at ease. It doesn't mean you're faking it when it digs a week but I honestly think that would just time shifting that would sort of blow everybody's minds. Yes yeah I mean. Despite the fact that the conventional form of voting methods of just you know ballot boxes in rows have been proven to be like corruptible million times over in American political history. There is a sort of comfort in the sameness or in the normalcy of the process. And I think that anything else as we saw in Iowa in any divergence from the norm. Even if it's totally explainable is just going to be met with torches and pitchforks and people are GonNa assume that there's something nefarious afoot even if it's going according to plan and I think that's a real challenge for for our democracy full stop. Yeah I mean it's hard. I think viewing through the of media's my I mean is potentially really instructive I don't know the answer but like I can. I can imagine a you know a whole week of you know nighttime broadcasts on on all the networks especially if I mean if there's any of the corona virus issues still floating around I mean it could be a media event. It could be the they might be happy to have it that way from just a crass viewership perspective More than ten. It would also be just remind you know ethics on the ethics side. It would also be you know interesting to see how quickly they drop their aversion to the old school exit polls and telephone poles and stuff on election night if they thought they were getting a getting a sort of a clear window into who the winner might be. I wonder if they'd jump back on in that direction. More quickly. This letter David is from fellow Texan Rudy clank Nick. Because I'm so desperate for good news. I weirdly Find Fox News more compelling than the actual news networks yes it's propaganda but the motto brigader marching right off a cliff with the constant negativity discuss. I have to be honest with you. I've watched so little cable news in general since I mean. I think I've had like in the past week. Maybe like a couple of forty five minute chunks. Were I was doing something else. But it was on But in theory in theory I think we're Rudy says makes a whole lot of sense there has been. I've seen this and heard this a couple times. Alaska days people are like I just want something positive in my life. That doesn't mean I want like fake Info like. Oh we're all going to be back at work next week or the churches are going to be packed on Easter. I'm not looking for that. I just when I look at that. Cnn body count which is on television now all the time. Yeah I just can't my brain. My emotions can't take that day after day week after week. Let us really interesting. Not sure that Fox News would be placed first place. I would go but you can change the channel guys. I mean the the you know the price is right is on the. There's a lot of stuff to watch out there but drew Carey's wearing a mask getting I'm just getting From Gerard Guei. Oh I love this question. Why does shoemaker seemingly laugh more slash harder on the press box? Then he does on the mass man show which usually has actual comedians as guests. No offense to Brian but maybe offense to said COMEDIANS. Who can't make David Laugh much? Love David What say you? I gotTa tell you like. I have some some of the people that are coming manager of the COMEDIANS. In Question Dan. Saint Germain was on last week. He's hilarious well for one thing. Dan is is the kind of comic that like you feel if you go see. You said this. There's IT. It's a very nervous sort of last that he evokes and then eventually just rolling on the floor but the first first few minutes. You're just like Oh man. It hits too close to home. But that's Ed. I've cracked up a lot of times. Dan But on the show bill a lot of times comics. Come on the mass man show and all they WANNA do nerd out about wrestling. And it's it's like it's just like nerd not a lot not so much destruction joke telling but I think at the end of the day is just because I don't know I think that there's there's something different about the recording process. I think because we've been doing this on remotely for so long. I'm just sort of like literally waiting with baited breath from you know waiting on every word. Brian's about to say it's I'm sort of reacting in real time in a way that I'm not always on my other show. I don't know that's a good question. Yeah I would just say Gerard David. David is one of the nicest people in the world. Truly truly a wonderful human being. What you're hearing is a charity. Laugh that that's that there was another one right there. I heard it it. Finally David Frum Meghan. What is the best story from? When you guys live together What is the best story for when you guys live together? Do you have something we can tell on the air? I'm not sure well first of all I do have one brief one. You mentioned this earlier. I thought about this earlier. We're talking about becoming apparent figure for your parents. The thing that jumped into my mind at that moment not even knowing this was coming was when we were first living together at a top floor place. in a tenement house on on Pitt Street in the lower east side. We had a roof private rooftop and we were not like big. We didn't go out allow. We weren't like huge. You know partners or anything but we started throwing parties that were just ethic because we had a rooftop we kind of lived in the lower east side. An era where it was like a little bit of ahead a little bit of like exotic nece to it and you know people were just like interested to go down there and and we already. We threw a party or whatever but I just one of my favorite parts of the whole thing is I remember you telling your mom. I think you were talking to your mom like right before the party started. You're telling her we're about to have it and that we are inviting all these people over in the how big to get like you were totally straight up. You're like yeah. We wouldn't bought a bunch of Beers. We invited two hundred people. Like whatever and your mom was just like okay. We're remember just ahead just remember. Just have one or two so you don't get too drunk or anything and I think at this point. You had like a plastic. That's thirty two ounce Plastic Cup of in your hand or something you know what we were. It was like so hilarious but I just remember hearing that and just that was just an all time moment but nicely back to the beginning of the podcast. Yeah we can. We can cut it off there but this is the first thing that. I thought when I heard the question my favorite story. The thing that ain't lying and this probably says this people always want to know about our friendship but we lived together for so long and we were friends for longer before and been accused any number of times of just enjoying each other's company more than anybody else in the world and that's definitely true button. There was one time when one of our buddies had bachelor weekend in New York and we were. We would count him. We wouldn't be counted amongst his best best friends. We were part of a group of like ten or twelve or so that were there and one of the day the first day or maybe it was just one day. He just like Saturday of multiple activities and and the first thing in the morning ten eleven o'clock or maybe it was later in that may was afternoon was into a shooting range in New York City which neither of US knew existed. I you know maybe maybe doesn't exist anymore but when we just saw twenty twos at like this basement shooting range New York but I got there first we came. We traveled tabarly. We probably it was reasonable to expect. We would have arrived together. But you've been out doing something that morning. Whatever and I got there and as I walked in the the Bachelor said WHO's there with his brother. I was the first one in the door. The Bachelor said. Hey where's your partner and I was like I don't know he's out doing something he'll be here soon. Fast and the memories just him and his brother fast forward to two four or five hours later red bar having some drinks and I'm sure there have been several other comments in that vein. Just completely win over like never even thought twice about and as we're walking out of the bar to go to a barbecue restaurant it did the hill country. And you're in in Manhattan Texas Barbecue. We are so excited. We're walking out and the bestest brother siles up to me. And he's just like making small talk and he's like so. How long have you in? Brian been together and I was just like. Oh man like I understand why trying to be nice but like we're so caught off guard. I understand why you might have thought that like these. These moments are coming back to me throughout the day. And I understand why you might have thought that. But don't I mean listen like we're not. We're just roommates. Neither of US is gay. Don't even think about you know. Just that's you don't even worry about it but don't don't feel bad at all. At that moment you walked up completely unaware of this Barbecue Restaurant. And you said I'm going to eat my weight and sausage today and I just turned around and walked away unless you man completely forgotten about that anyway. Wow what a story we might make the PODCAST Davidson. There in the background is telling us it's time for David. Shoemaker guesses the strain pun headline. Let's do it Mondays headline about a ballot initiative that could reintroduce wolves to Colorado was Colorado throws wolves to the vote. Yeah this week's headline is from Chris Staff and be W it's from the Washington Post. David did you see the story. Where Nadia a four year old Malayan Tiger at the Bronx Zoo caught the corona virus? Yes I did. Yeah scientists completely baffled as to how a tiger get the disease. Okay that is. That is the point of the story. And I'm GonNa give you a little bit of the headline here just a you can at least walk up to the Pun of this headline is the mystery of how Tiger caught. Cova nineteen has experts dot dot dot. What was the Washington Post's strained Pun Headline Chasing their tail? We're done here that night. Everybody yes and their tails he is. David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis researched by Erica's avant is in Chris. L. Made a production magic by Jim Cunningham. We're back Monday with more. Lukewarm takes about the media. Cnn David Brin.

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"David. Chailly mcenaney claim today that Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett. was a Rhodes scholar. Fact Mb conybeare went to Rhodes College. In, MEMPHIS. What I WANNA know is as graduates of big twelve schools. Know should we be offended or shall we just go ahead and take the populist line on this one? Oh my God I think you just get yourself kicked out of the Alumni Association. I. I, mean. I do not the sort of person that says this sort of thing a lot but I think we can save our outrage for more important matters especially when it comes to Kaley mcenaney and their her her half truths or Mr Mr untruths or whatever else I find it hard to get A. To first of all, I actually think that's a mistake someone might make but. You know somebody didn't spend time doing their job I guess but But yeah, I mean if it's deliberate, it's actually kind of Hilarious I. Mean I don't know that she meant it to be funny but it's kind of funny. She was just handed a piece of paper were the essence scholar was lower case. So she technically is a Rhodes scholar despite she was actually was very deliberately. She made the choice deliberately to say that I knew that she was. Misrepresenting the facts but. taught in that moment well, I'm technically I'm correct. No one can see if I'm capitalizing when it's me speaking you think that's what she was using. That was her thought process. That that implies a lot of sophistication that I'm not sure it's happening the trump white. House. I agree with you. I agree anyway, I have absolutely no time for college grandstanding in my life you and I really don't, and just because I went to an elite public university I'm not going to sit here and say that I saw Ricky Williams win the heisman trophy in one, thousand, nine, hundred I'm not GonNa Brag about that I saw Vince Young, win the National Championship in two thousand and five Brag about that. Come on. People have some respect. It's time for the press box of the ringer podcast network. Paolo many consumers, Bryan Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here with the big show for you today, we'll answer your listener mail including the question which cardboard cutouts should be put in the audience at a presidential debate plus Texas monthly legends. Skip Hollandsworth stops by to talk about his new true crime podcast, Tom, Brown's body all that plus David Shoemaker guesses a strain punt headline in the overworked twitter. Joke of the Week I David. I. Want you to listen to some audio. This is the sound of a news anchor with a broken heart. I have to speak personally here as somebody WHO's watched presidential debates for forty years as somebody who's moderated presidential debates. If someone WHO's prepared candidates for presidential debates as someone who's covered presidential debates that was the worst presidential debate I've ever seen. In my life a lot more heat than light over son Ninety, eight minutes. David have you ever heard George Stephanopoulos like that before? I have to say as someone who's commented on a lot of. Media figures making public statements that was that was the saddest media figure making a public statement I've I've ever heard. Oh but wait. Because as we talk debate fall out here, I want to start with a contest for which news anchor best emotive their disappointment. After the bonkers debate we heard on Tuesday night. Now as you know news anchors are self styled nonpartisan creatures. They really can't come down on the side of one party or the other. But the thing they can all go in on David is when a democratic tradition is defiled Oh. Yes. In the way trump defiled Tuesday's debate. Okay. So that was George Stephanopoulos on the ABC News postgame our second disappointed anchor contestant CNN's Jake Tapper. While that was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck that was the worst debate I have ever seen in fact, it wasn't even debate. It was a disgrace. Not a debate David a disgrace. Yeah. Okay. If if we're going to go with D words here aren't they aren't all of these. Responses I mean they're not inaccurate but aren't they doing an incredible service to the actual content of what was on the debate and I don't mean specifically that we should address that policy issues of the points of. Disagreement between the candidates. But like it was a, it was the worst debate George Stephanopoulos it ever seen. It was a dumpster fire to jake tapper because of president trump not because of the debate format or because of the vice. President Biden. It it was a mess because of one elements in the debate, and yet of them will obviously some of them went on to say more specifically but as see over and over again people saying you're saying this debate was the worst every seat on twitter he everybody saying this but. Like. And then and then a lot of these journalists will go immediately. We'll segue immediately into some commentary about how voters are turned off voters are turned off because this our president is acting like a fool and the commentary from the media class is over the thing that he was a part of was just bad. Am I dwelling too much on this? I mean, it feels like it echoes back to four years ago when people were kind of bending over backwards to. Point out how the media was not criticizing trump sufficiently right by doing kind of this and that. Both sides or thing but but I really feel like the response to this debate has been just remarkably unspecific because there's a very specific problem with it. Jake Tapper got there. Yeah. Though he did use the phrase the American people lost tonight. Yes which is kind of my favorite generic debate analysis. You know the real loser word tonight David the American people just get. Your basic unit of debate analysis after something like what happened on Tuesday night? Yeah. Probably good probably good for debate, right? Yeah. But I mean it's like it's like if I mean it would be it would have been like who who did the the famous I'm sorry I'm going like really are ancient sports here. What was the Joe Book called the the touchdown Randy Moss pretending to drop his drop trowel in the end zone. That would have I mean is if I mean jokes response at that moment was basically the football audience. The American. People have lost because of that celebration right there. But no, the appropriate responses look that idiot right I mean if you disapprove of it, the responses look at that idiot not the American people have suffered because of what happened in the end zone and that and I feel like we're getting a lot of the American people right now on the very same roundtable as tapper. There was CNN's Dana Bash listen to how she summed up the debate. New some high minded language I'm just going to say it like it is that was a shit show. And we're on cable we can say that apologies for being. Maybe a little bit crude, but that is really the phrase that I'm getting more. From people on both sides of the aisle on texts and it's only phrase that I can think of to really describe it. Kudos. kudos bash for for getting shit show past the censors but. But again, our president was a shit show the rest of the debate suffered by proximity by being proximate to him. It really is striking when news anchors cuss. Funny Right I mean it's that's half of the jokes anchorman just the cussing and cussing from that position of authority is just inherently funny. Yeah. They've taken it up a notch just like when Biden calls the president a clown that's meant to just make you just sorta screech do a tire screech and go whoa what just happened. When somebody on CNN uses the word show go? Take it up a notch here Also. From CNN David and God. What a night of heads shaking it was on CNN, we have Anderson Cooper. I don't think we've ever seen your United States. Completely lacking and shame. Shameless and Veasley immoral. There's not a moral fiber in this man. Oh Beasley immoral. Anderson. Cooper just happened to land on that adjective. No great literature. Employees such sort of double entendre. That was good. Mean listen that was about trump. Yeah. He's he pointed to trump right I mean at least he call eight need he was accurate in his expression of disgust I was going to call it right there but we had a late entrant right before we came on the Air Oh Fox News John Roberts today as Kaley mcenaney at the White House to denounce white supremacy. She did not especially directly anyway. So here's Roberts on the air few minutes later on Fox News. and. For All of you on twitter who were hammering me for answering that for asking that question I. Don't care because it's a question that needs to be asked and clearly the president's Republican colleagues a mile away from here are looking for an answer for it. So Stop Deflecting state blaming the media. Tired, of it. All right John. John Roberts's tired of it. So we're going to let you go thank you my friend. What a dismount there by the Fox News Agar. Oh my gosh. I think like everybody they popped up on any cable news channel just like preface what they about to say by an all you people on twitter who are and then just think replies. that. was that was that was basically like each said, you know something mean Jean start that all that was fantastic. Other wanted to talk to you David about moderator Chris Wallace. who had a very interesting night on Tuesday night he did an interview with the New York. Times is Michael Grynbaum, and by the way, this was my favorite news anchor moment to the point you just made. Wallace. Couldn't quite come out and admit that it was trump's fault. This is Grynbaum writing asking directly Mr Trump had derailed the debate Mr Wallace replied well, he certainly didn't help. Chris, I don't know if you know this but the debate was on TV we saw you. Suck you lecturing trump. So he didn't help. You can go ahead and say that trump derail the debate. I don't know I've been thinking about his performance for the last day and a half you and I touched on it a little bit. Tuesday. Night. I'm still not convinced that he did a terrible job. Given the fact that he was dealing with the debate monster and a guy who just had no interest. In abiding by any of the rules letting anybody else talk and was determined to in our up where where are you falling on Wallace. I think. I think. I think he's actually said the words he did a good job and you corrected me fine job I'm I'm I'm fully and they find camp or find it best camp right now and also said that he was it hadn't been if this has been a conventional debate, but the questions were had been the same I think we'd have a lot to object to just in the content. The sort of partisan leanings of questions, and there's probably there was more of that than I noticed even in in in real time So. Yeah. I think there's lots of things to take exception to, but in terms of just refereeing. I don't know what else he could have done. I. Mean Like I don't know I I just I kept thinking that certainly he was prepared for to go off the rails he was hoping that it wasn't. He might say he wasn't prepared for to be two to go the way it did but he acquitted himself well, I mean I guess your mileage may vary he's he acquitted himself something He was he seemed capable of functioning in a moment where a lot of people would probably just be crawling under their desk out of. Embarrassment or anxiety or fear. So you. Know I think that given I mean in terms of refereeing. I find it hard to imagine someone else doing better unless it was just someone that had. That had trump's ear in a way that was obviously didn't I mean I I don't know. I think resistance twitter probably would have loved Chris Wallace to stand up and say, Mr President, you're being an asshole. That is not going to happen during a presidential debate or any television appearance involving the United States. So if we if we if we go ahead and mandate that. What I think Wallace did so effectively was he was able to buy fighting back fighting back fighting by constantly telling trump that he was interrupting to basically underline it three times to the American people that trump was being an asshole without saying and I think that's important because. You're absolutely right. It's very easy for this to slide into. This was a crazy debate and everyone was yelling at each other versus the correct interpretation, which is trump hijacked the debate. But you notice in almost all his comments Wallace made them directly to trump. Right he appealed directly to trump between segments you need to stop interrupting me you have to you have to abide by the rules of debate look that is not going to be like super heroic or super charming but I think again within the confines of what you could actually do from that seat. I think he sort of communicated to America trump was being an asshole yeah I mean there are also a lot of people are even on television. They were talking heads, people who I'm sure. Know the details of the debate format better than I do who were who were maintaining on debate night they should have cut trump's microphone. Times I I assume that that is. If that were even remotely feasible, they would have been prepared to do it but also the reaction would have been just so dramatic to that right means. Without without warning without pretense, just start cutting the president's I. Mean You saw the trump campaign has been publicizing the fact that Chris Wallace Cutoff trump however sixty whatever is opposed to the you know low double digit that he did. He did Biden I mean. If you saw the debate. That you would say, yes, that's exactly what happened because trump just being jerk. The entire time that that doesn't that shouldn't reflect on the president, but they spin it really easily into a anti-media whatever media bias talking point and I don't know what else you can do without making I, mean. If that if the talking point were valid I, think it would have even a little bit more valid. It would have so much more science and it was and so much and it would I think have a much bigger effect on people's perception of what happened. I saw a self-described conservative warrior named Wayne Allyn root on twitter tweet. This wallace destroyed trump's train of thought while saving. Biden again and again he it was it was wallace destroying trump's train of thought. Not. Trump. Literally trying on purpose to destroy. Joe. Biden's train of thought. Okay. And this is former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum truly one of the saddest people on Cable News if not of all of planet, Earth. He thought Wallace asked some tricky questions I. would say the Democrats owe a lot to Chris Wallace because Chris. Wallace asked those two questions Joe by it was Chris Wallace who asked us to? Kansas. And he asked him for a reason. Because he asked two questions where he was asking the president, do something that he knows the president doesn't like to do, which is which is say something bad about people who support it, right what? You were. Talking about the voice of. The white supremacist number one and number two. Asking yes. So the the Chris Wallace. Asked. Trump's very canny questions about do you support white supremacy? He really put them in the corner. Thank you Senator Santorum for that insight I just a quick point of order Wayne. Allyn root was a candidate for the Libertarian Presidential Nomination in Oh eight and a think was their nominee for vice president before leaving the party going back to And going back to the Republican I if I remember correctly, he's also he also. WAS A. Columbia student at the same time Obama was or something in has implied that Obama never was there. So. That's what we're dealing with. Right. So at some point, he changed his business card to conservative warrior in this direction. Yeah. Well, you know I mean that's it. I. Think he just kind of follows the tea party at trumpism train with a lot of the rest of America. Finally, can we spend a second on the conspiracy theories? Popped up around this debate you and I. We're GonNa talk about this Tuesday night and the debate just through so much that we didn't even get to it. We talked about trump's p. e. d. conspiracy that came out before the debate the Joe Biden was using drugs to sort of perk up for the debate. Then there was one that Biden was receiving cues during the debate via a secret earpiece. That went viral earlier. This week turns out that theory has been around since at least two thousand. Yes I did not remember the two thousand version when rush limbaugh Said Al Gore was getting answers to the earpiece. Either now I I remember the George W one and two thousand. Yes. Very much. I definitely. Got Some like. Email chain forwards. About. This is before my career was involved photoshop but I probably would have been the person throwing those photos into stark contrast ingesting the levels like crazy in photoshop. During my time. I also, I mean it's also just hilarious to look at the I. mean the ones from this debate and see how like easily out clearly Photoshop Amar. But I guess that's all kind of beside the point right? I mean this this is a conspiracy theory that comes up literally every cycle. The important difference here is in two and four, it was an Email Mail Ford in twenty twenty, the trump campaign is the email Ford Tim Murtaugh trump campaign's communications director said a statement that Biden had agreed to an ear inspection and later backed out the Biden campaign has said that this is bullshit. The trump team also launched an ad campaign after the debates. Why won't sleepy JOE COMMIT TO AN EAR test? WHO's in Joe's ear? the ADS, the BBC reports have reached. Get ready more than ten million people via facebook. It is interesting that maybe it's because. FACEBOOK is the thing and and the campaigns could've have kind of have to take responsibility for whatever they put out there. I'm not sure that kind of transparency is a net positive, but it is interesting that you mean, you said the campaign is the mail forward. You know. We had. Sean Hannity was on. TV. Prior to the bay talking about Joe Biden being on drugs. Right and there was a great article out enough it was. Trapped earpiece conspiracy theory basically from like one the anonymously source tweet that was later retracted or corrected. And how that sort of climbed its way very very deliberately you know up the Republican, the conservative media ranks until it could you know be a mainstream talking point but yeah, I mean even four years ago four years ago the trump campaign was. Dependent on like. Like twitter lowlifes like Mike Cernavoda to pass around the Hillary Clinton sick nonsense right and then maybe like after some amount of per like permeation than the drudge report would just have like a snarky headline that no one quite understood unless you've been following this thing on Dr on the Dirk. Web. Or whatever, and and and even go back further in this kind of stuff that you would a campaign would seed. When the Bush campaign like would put out. Supposedly, put up fliers about John McCain parenting. You know kids out of wedlock or whatever it's like this was this is the secret of the part about the the part of campaign that we don't admit to, and for the trump in in two thousand twenty this is just like you know par for the course I mean they're they're open about it yeah. So are Cunanan Supporters David another. This is GonNa shock you because they saw something on Biden's wrist. which they claimed with some kind of communication device apparently biting is like on star, Trek. In our you speak in the device in your hand to talk to the ship Turns out that is actually a rosary that Biden wears to honor his late son. Bo. So that's a miss on that one too. It's always good if you're going to do a conspiracy to insult the candidate. Either way programming note David next Wednesday. October. Seventh is the vice presidential debate between Mike Pence and Comma Harris. We will have an instant reaction episode here the press box and maybe this time David and I won't have our jaws on the floor and can actually get through this without losing our minds right time for the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag there was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time send your nominees to at the press box pod were are always gratefully received. David one of the revelations in that. Amazing. New York Times report about trump's taxes. Trump must pay back three, hundred million dollars in loans and has a business debt load of more than one billion dollars. It was an overworked twitter joke to right trump can no longer afford to own the libs. Thanks to Leah Cassidy, Fletcher, and Snyder. In, trying to describe the debate David, a lot of people landed on the same word as CNN's Dana Bash. It was an word twitter joke for your publication style guide to Tweet Shit show is one word thanks Jean Michael Saw Warren for that and finally did you see the bit were Hollywood? People were comparing the debate? To their own career disasters. Oh. Yeah. Star Wars, mark, Hamill tweets that debate was the worst thing I've ever seen in I was in the Star Wars holiday special. Screenwriter Jeremy Slater. That was the worst thing I've ever seen and I wrote fantastic four. Screenwriter Alec Berg. It was the worst thing I've ever seen. I wrote the Cat in the hat movie. Finally. Screenwriter Eric Champnella. That's the worst thing I've ever seen and I wrote the movie Eddie which had a cameo by trump top that motherfuckers thanks sugar. Lemon. If you use Tuesday's debate to purge your own Hollywood pay day. Congrats, you may the overwork twitter joke of the week. What's that? This is Bakari sellers and I'm host of the Bakari Sellers podcasts you know twice a week podcast, we cover all the news, the issues of the day through interviews with all types of guests and so far. I've talked to people like the Shawn Watson. Charlemagne. The God Donna Brazile even my good friend Hillary Clinton. So listen to the Bakari Sellers podcast on spotify or wherever you get your Pike S. In the notebook dump. David. Let's do some listener mail. We do this Thursday. Remember when we talked the other day about the press box listener challenge, a listener had to get something mentioned on the show and the overwork twitter joke of the week, the strain punt headline, and now listener mail. Our PAL. Hugh Hopkins has a New Challenge If you're journalist, your challenge is to make a reference to the press box in your copy. Hugh Hopkins has done this in an article for sky. Sports about WNBA Elissa Thomas he writes. There has been an overworked joke on wnba twitter that expresses shock anytime broadcast commentary team references, Eliza Thomas to torn labor rooms this this appeared in print. We're calling this the hugh now by way if you. Get something in. This might be a one time only thing. I don't want to be responsible. We're getting somebody fired for putting it like like back masking into the. pres- box subliminal messages into their ended their copy. Yeah. There aren't enough jobs out there right now but if you feel secure in your position. Feel free to follow Hopkins into the abyss and work in a press box. Wherever's thank you so much you this is from Steve Halls of fell. Who would be your ideal debate moderator character or actual person if the next debate is like the last one I'm voting Stone Cold Steve Austin but could also be talked into Gordon Ramsay. Well I'm sure it's kind of separate from the way posed the question but socal achieve Austin has found a second life as an incredibly incredibly smart and quick witted podcast host like he is really, really good. And and I would definitely put him up there both for you know his onscreen shenanigans and his. Ability as a questioner. I. Don't know who who would you pick Ryan. Don't we feel like we have this incredible surplus in the world right now I mean hosts. Like we we've got the to just mentioned we've got Simon Cowl. We've got people like I think What's his name? Piers? Morgan is probably going to be a little too pro-trump but we have people who play that role on TV wait I thought Piers Morgan was anti-trump. But did he did he turn? I thought he and trump has longstanding issues but I I I might be. I'M GONNA I'm just GONNA. Go ahead and say this I don't care enough to look. But. There are people life. Let's go with stone cold. Unless we come up with something. But what do we? What about I mean? This this isn't this is only halfway Syria. So it's probably not a good answer either direction. But what about like a slightly older matured Howard Stern when we? Don't do anything however do a fine job at this point. Sure. and. He fits that broad category. Exactly. Yeah. He Seen Weirder for sure that presidential debate this one was from Listeners Baptist American Matthew, you're made the editor of the New York Times. What is your headline the morning after the debate? Okay. Can we start by reading the actual headline of the New York Times yeah, please day so I'm expecting some kind of on the one hand on the other hand you know bake this was their actual headline on the front page. Trump's heckles send first debate into utter chaos. That's not bad I don't. We're not heckles. It's not an. Accurate but I'm sure it is. Yeah I think they're they're they're you feel little bit like they're looking for a safe ish word right. Nichols is is kind of like. Feels a little more jovial than what trump was doing, but that's not bad at all. No, it's not. It feels like they. It feels like they they spent all of their capital on chaos and then had to figure out a very nice word to use for the other thing. I I. Yeah. But you're right. It's fine. It's actually it's not as kind of much of a misdirection as you might expect. I love this question from Rick Delaney would cardboard cutouts of people work better for the candidates in the debates if so who would each candidate Wanna see smiling back at them Pope Francis for Biden Duarte for trump so this is a fan fascinating question. And this is the way I would put it. I would ask each of the two candidates to pick the cardboard cutouts I was going to say exactly the same thing, right? Yeah, and wouldn't it be revealing for? So we could do Biden's right now. John Lewis. FDR somebody from Delaware we don't know. Obama Right? I. Mean. We we could just pick. John. McCain for sure one thousand percent has John McCain Cardboard cutout in the audience. Yeah. Trump's could be literally anything. Like, who do you think Donald Trump puts in cardboard form looking back at him in the audience. Man, that's a great question. I mean there's any. Like TV or movie characters that would make the cut. Didn't he loves Steven Seagal wasn't that a thing. And one of the biographers that he was watching the same Steven seagal movie over and over again Oh my God I'm sure Tyson. Oh. Yeah. I think is a big fan of Shark Week right now you can put sharks in the audience but I have I have no idea. You probably just put cardboard like cardboard cutouts of his kids over and over again just like fifteen of each of them I don't know I think I. Think there'd be at least one kid left out in exchange for. I really do I think it'd be fascinating I. Think this needs to happen with the second debate. This is from Nick Field. What should we make of the fact that despite the conventional wisdom did not turn the debate off but stuck with it? This is true. I all the debate had seventy three, million viewers. Just. For comparison the emmys which you might have senior friends tweety about had six million viewers. Seventy three million viewers is a huge huge television audience in two twenty twenty. What Nick is specifically referring to the debate did not lose viewership as it went along its rating near the end was about the same as its rating at the very beginning ten thirty eastern time ratings. In fact, we're sitting higher than the ratings at nine pm I don't know about you but I saw a whole lot of people on twitter including friends of are saying I just had to walk out I couldn't watch that he had turned it off her I'm so glad I don't have to watch political debates. With those people telling the truth. Well probably not I mean not all of them analysis all a lot of people who were just a lot of dead like twitter commentary people made the assumption that the casual viewer tuned out after fifteen minutes. You know the average average judge must have gotten turned off by it. Obviously, that wasn't true I mean, I don't WanNa. You. Know make too big of a deal but does. Most of the people that tuned in were committed to watching it and there might be people who are tuned in who were every bit as engaged as you know I. Think. Well being gauged by what went on for better worse I. Think we're getting be simpler than that people like train wrecks. Yeah. If the president is yelling at the moderator and yelling at the other candid, you're going to turn off the television. If now somebody is a millennial that is like post TV. I totally believe that you'd watch I just totally and I'm looking at Chris. Almeida right now I totally believe that you could have consumed in some way that an old man like me doesn't understand but of the TV generation like me David what were you doing Tuesday night? I kind don't believe that you weren't watching the debate. and. Seventy three million people. A lot of people were watching the debate. Finally. This one for Matty Wasserman as question about reporting is there any answer? An interviewer dreads more than I actually get that question a lot No avs well I mean listen live about half the interviews you'll do are. Kind of service interviews. Right? I mean if I if if you interview a Meeting of people that you interview aren't being interviewed all the time they're people who usually do the interviewing but you know if a writer comes on to promote their new book than part of what you do, get it the same basic questions about it over and over again. So I'm sure there's a lot of questions that year old the people here that are still find ask but. No I mean when you're not expecting it or when you know when that's not the answer you're going forward that as a heartbreaking thing here because you know you wanna be you spend a lot of time trying to be original when when you're when you're cooking your questions you the thing I have found in almost every interview as when you're interview subject says that's a good question. They don't actually mean that it's a good question. They mean that they don't know the answer immediately off the top of their head. Okay and that's what they're saying to buy themselves time. So if you'd say something is David. That's a really good question. Doing is just tread water right? They're giving my brain a chance to click may it might mean I've never heard that question before? But. It's not necessarily a good question. Doesn't it feel like the great question subtle subtle shift isn't the isn't great question. The reverse of that great question is like I know the great question is the preface to I. AM immensely prepared to answer that question one, billion percent. Absolutely. You know who asked great questions David. Texas monthly reporter skip hollered Segue. See if you can hear the fan boy them in my voice when I talked to skip about his new true crime podcast. Texas monthly skip Hollandsworth once told me Brian I'm right one of my trashy murder stories and when you put out a collection skip that absolutely needs to be the title Hollandsworth is one of my very favorite writers on the planet in more than three decades at Texas monthly. He has perfected the magazine Murder Story and now he's doing the same thing as a podcast. This week Texas monthly released a new multi part story called Tom Brown's body and skips here to talk about what it's like to report on a killing in both word audio form skip. Thanks for coming on the press box. Thank you Mr Curtis. Let's start with the story itself who was Tom Brown. Well You know sitting in my house in Dallas at tend to look. Newspaper websites and just look for stuff that might be of interest in one of the thousands of small towns that are in this day and I kept reading for the last two or three years about this weird investigation that never seemed to end in the town of Canadian, which is a town of Twenty, seven, hundred people east of Amarillo. It was about the president of the senior class the most popular boy in town played on the football team they had won the state championship for two years in a row, which is a big deal and Just, all around good guy got around with everyone the football players, the ranch boys, the drama nerds everybody. And he went cruising on one night before Thanksgiving when everybody was at didn't have school the next day and increasing with somebody's said goodbye to him. In vanished. And that was in November, two, thousand sixteen. In. Since then there have been like four law enforcement agencies that have. Investigated the case, there have been rumors that have gone from everything that he was ground up in Chipper to he ran away in his living in North Carolina or California or Colorado. It just kept going on in on in on. Been Murray something about his mother was involved in his disappearance something about his brother was involved in his disappearance something about the sheriff was a suspect in his disappearance. Finally, his remains were found. Under a cottonwood tree east of town. Two years after he disappeared. In that only led the more questions about what happened to this case in what was he murdered did he accidentally died? Did he commit suicide? What happened? So me being the narcissist that I am his case has been covered for three or four years I decided to go to Canadian and figure it out. Then I skip Hollingsworth would come up with the answer because as I say in the PODCAST, a mystery can't always remain a mystery right I mean isn't that what we're always told right jor now you've parachuted into many small town to do stories like this I think of the one that became the basis of the Richard Link Ladder Movie Bernie how do you drop into a town like Canadian? Get on an airplane. Okay. Hello Rod Canadian. Show Up. And I had you know I was not I'm not the modern podcast her I'm not a guy who brings along producer with the boom Mike but standing behind me wearing a backpack full of all kinds of electronic gear and batteries and so on. I'd just use my iphone new the. That would just show up at people's offices. I mean small towns are still small towns you don't always have to have an appointment. And you know the first guy I went to see was the richest man in town Salem Abraham who added this little tiny town runs a hedge fund. That at one point had six, hundred, million dollars in assets. And? Here's this man that has multimillionaires calling him during our interview. The belied is always blinking on his phone. And he's so obsessed with Tom Brown's disappearance and whether he'd been murdered in that I had shown up to talk to him about it that he basically pushed everything off s and talk to me for two hours while the stock market was over. And Then I went over to solve the editor of the local paper who was A. Woman, who is feisty and funny and Trying to stay afloat in business even though all local weekly newspapers are disappearing. And she's been successful with the case for she's been writing about the case for four years and. Then I went saw that the mom of the boy disappeared and everybody treated me like family. It's not hard to do. Now. You've got to get people to talk to you to treat you like family to do a story like this did introducing the idea that this would be a podcast versus a written piece change those interactions at all yes. They were terrified podcast. Is I used to be in probably still lamb I mean. There had been they had heard cod cast before they didn't really know what it meant. I talked to the sheriff. He goes I'm not going to be on any podcast in by last week he was saying things like. Hey can you coming? We need to record the new audio about something I just thought about. You've made them into audio professionals. This is incredible. Now listening to your first episode and it strikes me that when you do this in podcast form that skip, Hollandsworth almost has to be a character and your reporting process sort of has to be part of the plot just to explain this to people how comfortable were you with that? Completely because it was about me completely comfortable. I actually like podcast fast. Were you follow the journey through the eyes of the reporter in how the report finds things out and you know like a lot of people who've tried this I'm influenced by the serial podcast. and. By others where you see someone. Water come into a town or into a location and try to find something out. And that was a lot of. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa I. Don't. WanNa. Do A podcast I just WanNa do my usual old trashy crime stories and I realized that it's more interesting. This is sacrilege for me to say but it's more interesting listening to someone talk to me than reading about someone talking to me And why is that just the sound of their voice? Voice inflection you know the way they're tone changes, the silences, all that drama in writing. When you write a story, you have to say he paused and then he finally said when the podcast he let him pause and finally he says what he's going to say. So you don't have to use those stupid lines that we all use in magazines stories. He will he rested his Chin against his head. He thought for a moment and then he said, well, you don't have to do that anymore. You don't have to write those stupid sentences He closed his eyes as if in prayer and then he answered finally. And they'll see I agree with that in theory but then I listened to one of my interview tapes and there is just a massive stuff on there. And sometimes when you listen to it, you think, well, here's why this goes through the magazine writing food processing. Because, it really is better in print, but you were able to harvest enough moments out of all this audio you think to make it worth doing audio form. A. Tell you are the reason why did this story in audio form I've got a cartilage problem with my thumb in developing arthritis in my thumb in it's hard to write notes anymore. So I just left my iphone up. When I would go back and play my my iphone I the tape on my iphone realized I had this great stuff going on in the background trains coming by a block away. Some, you know the sound of doors opening and closing engine started driving to say things staffed necessarily wouldn't tape when I'm doing this doing a regular print story in all there. You mentioned some of the characters we're going to meet in this podcast richest guy in town local newspaper editor a person you call a globe trotting private investigator. So what they skip hollins were trick to presenting characters like those without it sounding like a really really bad help novel or what's that series where the Jessica? where she finds out the murder in a small town ever murder she wrote. A felt like that's what I was doing. I have no secrets you just. You just realize that the attention span of your audience is now so short. And if you right any lengthy interview. Character, instead of leaping instead of throwing your reader into the scene, then you're gonNA lose the reader. You know you want to jump from seeing disdain to keep a story going because otherwise readers are they are going to jump away. We're GONNA, get rid of your story of you have those Lincoln Lincoln log cabin paragraphs about where they grew up what they were like in high school. You just jump to the scene and then you even in. We talked about what people in small towns think of podcast what did they think of Texas? Monthly is it wow. A National Magazine Award Winning magazine or is it? Oh that's at a liberal rag down and Liberal Austin. I think it's both but I also think they enjoy getting the attention and I have to tell you I enjoyed getting the attention because people in small towns still love Texas monthly in a way that people in big cities dumped. In there's Still sort of. Resonates with it. And Like all my friends that live in cities don't go you still ride for Texas monthly. Thank you. Thank you so much. You whip out your Texas. Credit. You say you know I grew up in Wichita falls the US that when you reporting a story like this no, you do. The do the exact opposite I think what you need to do is As, begin a lot of questions with I hate to be the stupid city boy. I hate to be the stupid city boy. But what is Dear Shit? There's a critical seen that comes into podcast much later on down the road in a few weeks where sheriff's deputy is hunting for deer, shit? When I'm told that story, I just stopped the person and I say I am so sorry. But what is dear shed will, that's the antlers that are shed by a deep male deer that lots of people in the country pick up turn into deer knives or deer chandeliers, and sell them on the sides of high ways. So that's what you do is you act you do you know the other question I always ask is. I. Know I don't understand a lot of this but would you help me understand? What's happening right here. And people want to help. Don't act like you know anything which I never do anyway. Let's talk about your career for a second. You get to Texas monthly in nineteen, eighty nine after working for several years and newspapers. What was the allure of working for that magazine for you? Oh, in college the publisher and the owner, the magazine Mike. Levy when I was in college he was. So He loved his new magazine so much that he produced a coffee table. The first five years that magazine was in business. He wrote produced a coffee table book called the Best of Texas monthly. The first five years in Texas monthly. He already had a coffee table book add up and when you open the Flyleaf on that front on those friends who pages all the writers who had written for the magazine that signed their name. So there was Larry King prunes. Macintosh. All the old greats Jan read Steve Harrogate. On and on and on and I saw this one little space that was white space that was open and I took out my pin I was a sophomore in college. In autographed skip Hollandsworth because that's what I wanted to do even back then. There were some editorial turbulence. Shall we say at Texas monthly after the magazine was sold in two thousand sixteen? How did that affect your? Life. There was no turbulence of skip I. Read I read the Columbia Journalism Review. Come on. Now, here's editorial turbulence in my life Mr, Curtis Turbulence. Just have the same old problem getting stories in before deadline this advantage of living in Dallas you just avoid everything, right? You're just you're you're just keep to the grindstone I career is nothing but a life of avoidance. Now I don't want people to think you just right true crime because I think I've got an issue of Texas monthly with your Leeann rhymes cover story on it here. Somewhere I'm an excellent profiler of country music stars just wish people would celebrate that part of my career more. What is it about crime that attracts you was the subject. Will have because it plays out as a three act structure. You know where the story is GonNa in and so you can keep your readers jumping to react to the third act. Or you can keep your readers guessing what's going to happen next. There's a kind of momentum that builds a crime story and you know when people cross that invisible line for being normal to committing a crime, it's always interesting to try to figure out why they did what they did. But the thing about Tom Brown's body is there's an even another investigation going on as we're putting out these podcasts. So it's not like you can google up the story and find out what the last act is. It's coming. And we'll see if it comes while the podcast is still going on. That's gotta be exciting for you as a writer because I think sometimes, you know you do a great you do a magazine story and you you get it all but then there's another actor, there's an addendum. So now essentially the addendum is part of the larger story is not. This a really complicated question coming from you Brown. Sorry. I'll rewrite giving. Get. Me Rewrite. Here skip. that was that was way over my paygrade. There is a lot of true crime in the media universe. Skip you mentioned cereal. It has many many clones. Do you ever worry there's too much true crime. Now, because I don't really read that much true crime to begin with I, just read my own stories That's not true. That's not true. I think. Yeah, there's a Lotta. Schlocky stuff that's written. But. It finds its audience or doesn't find his audience I still think you can ride a true crime story that is. Thrilling and insightful. Maybe a little scary but also Gives you a chance to explore the human condition. There are just use the phrase that Bryan Curtis would use the human. Condition. Oh. A dare you how dare you let me leave you this are there. Is there a list of things you don't want to do in a true crime story things you want to avoid? The body was FA- The opening sentence the body was found under a tree. The Sheriff. Sticking his the sheriff sticking his thumbs in the in the little loops of his belt lean forward and spitting out tobacco juice. Cliches you as he stares at the body. As you can jump into and I've jumped into every single one of them. You can read the first installment of Tom Brown's body, which is cliche free so far as I know right now via Texas monthly as both an article on a podcast the next chapter chapter two is out on October six skip Hollandsworth. Thank you so much for coming on the press box making it to hurt us. All right. It's time for David. Shoemaker guesses a strain pun headline womb. David we got shot another listener here. His. Name Jay Scott Soule. I am not making this up Jay Scots who went through every edition of David Shoemaker guesses strain pun headline. And? Laid out whether you correctly guessed the headline or incorrectly guessed the headline. God and I know he did this because he sent me a spreadsheet. That not only has was gala sheets are excel. It's it's Google. It's a Google spreadsheet he has it here. It not only has whether David guests or correctly or incorrectly, but he has the name of the headlines. So I know he listened to every single one. All right. Now, he had to make some judgement calls if I had to give you a lot of help. Yeah. He counted that as a loss of I geared a little help I. think he counted that as a victory? Okay. That's fair. Day You're won loss record David is fifty, eight and sixty six. You. Maybe. Maybe, feel like he's judging a little bit too hardly. If you're in the eastern conference made playoffs actually. But it turns out since June you are seventeen ten. Ooh, I do feel like I've been kind of on a roll lately. I think so too. He says seventeen. Seventeen twenty seven, a that's like an all star level shooting percentage or at least three point shooting percentage, right? Absolutely. He says I think David may have started juicing. Biden style conspiracy theory for you here. All right anyway thanks to Jay Scottsdale incredible work. Now, we appreciated this week's headline David comes from. Jeanette. It's from the Guardian I'm just GonNa read you the lead of the story here earlier this month. A, respected the French philosopher. Has publicly disowned his equally famous philosopher son not for stealing his girlfriend. But for writing a book, he claims his left him heartbroken and loved ones drowning in a sea of ingratitude. K French, philosopher disowned son for writing a book made has this is this is a thing that actually happened. This is the thing that actually happened. So okay. Eight famous. We don't usually do. We don't usually do fiction stories here on David Shoemaker guesses train on. A live. So it's it's not like like, Mike, Searcher. Living philosopher living philosopher in the sun is also alive. Like every philosophers franchise I mean I don't I'm trying to think. Yes. Every philosopher is French. But who who's living French philosopher. Living French philosopher. Let's not get too hung up on the philosopher here. Let's think of. Let's think of something about fathers maybe like oedipus is. Is. He. Going to happen now, we have to go back. Here we go Jay. Scott Sewell. Get your counter reading. We can you repeat the question using a former? Sure a respected French. Philosopher has publicly disowned is equally famous philosopher son DOT DOT DOT for writing a book he claims has left him heartbroken. OEDIPUS HEX Enhances oedipus. oedipus complex. And at a oedipus. oedipus I'm sorry Sir I can't get time on this one oedipus VEX is the answer. oedipus facts David folks has dropped fifty eight and sixty seven in the standing. I'm going to take this up with the judges. The Nets slipped into the playoffs ahead of him. He is David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis Research by Gristle Beta production magic by Erica's Avantis, next week schedule David I will be here at our regular time on Monday, with the New Yorkers Jeffrey Toobin who's GonNa talk about Donald Trump's investigations. Then we're back Wednesday night after the vice presidential debate between Penson Harris with another live reaction show, it will be an obesity immoral addition of. Later.

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And it's a charitable donation once again. That's the ringer dot com slash W. C. K. Hello Media Consumers Bryan Curtis and David Shoemaker. The ringer here. This is the press box and we got a lot of great stuff to get to today. We'll talk about the existential crisis of CNN host. Chris Cuomo will answer your listener mail including the question. Our journalist eating healthier now that they're no longer on the road less David Guesses Pun headline and the overworked twitter joke of the week. But David let's begin with something we've heard. Donald trump talk about day after day after day during our time of quarantine that is reopening the economy yesterday and Michigan. We saw more than three thousand protesters complete with confederate flag. Because of course at the Capitol there listen to this protester explained to w od in grand rapids. Why he was at the rally. Are you concerned about this virus? I wasn't the beginning until I've done my research in found out the realities and the the the the media's overreach on it and that is not as serious as they made it out to be in. That's why I am here because I feel that they are overreaching. Overreacting in crushing are small businesses crushing. Our economy I see. You're wearing a mask. So you have some level of concern. I wish that didn't sound a little bit too much like something. I've heard from very close friends and family members Without naming any names it is an unnerving reality And I think you could probably draw big picture. I mean expand this out of the entire trump presidency and the entire age. We live in that our own selfishness in this case stir craziness leads our minds to believe just about anything. We wanted to believe the crackpot sound really really compelling when you're tired of sitting in the same room is your mother-in-law for the third week in a row but yeah it's really disappointing. It's also really interesting. How those were identified those rows right dentist by trump supporters right. There's a lot of people out and make America great again hats at these rallies and I couldn't help be reminded of the sort of all the things all the time we spent talking about this sort of dog whistle politics of the presidential election for years ago of. Trump. Just sort of. He didn't have to say anything racist but for the white supremacists to have this like implicit understanding that he was on their side or at least that was their perception. Even if it wasn't true from trump side now there seems to be the sort of growing understanding that trump doesn't trump wants economy open so badly and clearly he does But like that everything that we're doing to stop the virus is no matter. What trump says no matter what he agreed to in terms of sad homeowners and Blah Blah Blah? That he's implicitly opposed to all of it and the best thing you can do to back him up as a trump's order is to violate the law and it's Maybe that's obvious but just looking at me and if you take a step back and look at it it's like it's is it impossible to wrap your mind around the idea that yeah nobody wants everything to be closed down however we all know that this is willing to listen to the experts. Know if you want if you want to back up trump according to apparently these people who are out there the best thing you can do is just start lighting torches. It's part of our political system. Where Internet trolling pro trumpism? Blind PRO-TRUMP ISM and just general rabble-rousing all comes together right and it doesn't really make any sense you know to to do this. I mean to your point about this itself being a public health potential public health crisis the protests being one. That's what Michigan Governor Gretchen. Whitmer said yesterday. She's got this. Stay home order in Michigan until April thirtieth. She said yesterday I saw someone handing out candy to little kids barehanded at the protest. People are flying the confederate flag and untold numbers. Who GASSED UP ON? The way here grabbed a bite on the way home. We know that this rally endangered people. This kind of activity will put more people at risk and sadly it could prolong the amount of time. We have to stay in this posture right. So you want the stay at home order to end and in order to do that. You violate the stay at home order. Which will then potentially prolong that. That's what happened yesterday in Michigan. Yeah Yeah I mean it's it's nonsense. I mean I can't even like my mind goes in different directions but like all of them lead back to like an excuse. That one of my children makes to stay awake longer at night or to. You know to to get what they want. Which I'm just I just shake my head and Mike. You have to know that this isn't the best way to get there. If you were trying to convince me you're bad plan this. This would be the worst possible way to look Yeah this is. There's so much about the world that we live in In this moment that is unbelievable. I keep coming back to just like the sort of realistic resiliency of humanity. That if you had told any of US three months ago that we would be confined to our homes for weeks or months and that we would all just kinda figure out a way to make that happen. No one would have believed it. I mean honestly if you told me how long I was going to be. You know away from home. At the moment that I left I might have had some excuses to stay in it but it. But everything's great now. I'm happy that I'm away. I'm happy that Ameer. It's just like we're very resilient. It's a if you had told me though if you had told me two weeks ago or even a week ago that there'd be masses of Donald Trump protesters out rallying against stay at home orders. I would have said that was too silly to be true and yet here we are and here. We are by the way on the subject of the confederate flag inevitably appearing at this rally in Michigan Which is probably not having the confederate monuments crisis that several other states in the country are asking the same degree I just remember when I was a young cub reporter. I'd cover like a Bush. V Gore protests earn Iraq war protests. And there would inevitably be at this liberal protests like a free Mumia sign. You know like wait. Why are we doing everything today? You know as as just everything came together but the conservative version of this is so much stranger. Is there not anybody? Is there not a leader of the protest yesterday? Who can be like okay? Can we just leave the stars and bars at home today? May let's focus here would not doing confederate nostalgia. Today we're doing. We're doing reopen the government. Nobody can say that's probably not. These are not the same thing but I read it. Probably be able to show up and realize they forgot to bring assign they look around. Everybody else has assigned shit will. What do I have in my trunk? You know I mean they got they have something to but seriously it's it's an identity thing and I think it's an identity thing increasingly more. I mean maybe I'm sure this has been discussed and written about Ad Nauseam but even more so in the in the north and it is in the south There's a I spend a lot of time in sort of Blue Collar. Pennsylvania and there's confederate flags flying on front portrait. There's a weird coincidence of or incidents of the confederate flag seem to always be flying on the houses that have no trespassing signs in the windows that you would never have any interest in trespassing you know is just like the like the scummy est house in the neighborhood has a hilariously unnecessary. No trespassing sign and then next to it will be either. Don't tread on me or stars in bars. It's A. It's an unfortunate coincidence. Fortunate turn a series of events but But you're right. I mean it doesn't help anybody's cause be waving that thing around. David was going to diners in rural Pennsylvania before going to diners in rural Pennsylvania was cool but at that way David we know trump strategy for winning in November was built on having a roaring economy. Well counting this morning's job numbers. Twenty two million. Americans have claimed unemployment now over the last four weeks so trump wants everybody to go back to work a lot of people to go back to work. He said may second as a target date. But there are problems with that right Despite trump's claims his press conference yesterday we don't have enough corona virus tests. The New York Times said that although capacity has improved in recent weeks supply shortages remained crippling in many regions are still restricting tests to people who meet specific criteria antibody tests which reveal whether someone has ever been infected with the krona virus are just starting to be rolled out and most have not been vetted by the FDA There's also the sense that you hear from the trump administration that we can somehow do this nationally right. Now he's flip flopped on this. I can you said earlier this week. I can compel states to Kinda reopen right. That was that total authority moment. The next day he was out in the Rose Garden saying actually. I can't do that. The states are going to all open when they want to. Now we've seen as this part of this bizarre experiment in federalism states banding together as he's like subgroups of Marvel superheroes To try to do stuff in spite of the trump is east coast coalition. Doesn't this all sound like escape from New York or some post-apocalyptic thing Yes is east? Coast Group States New York New Jersey Connecticut etc that working together on the west coast out. Here it's California Oregon and Washington and the idea is the feds. Don't know what they're doing but we like-minded little states in this cluster will have a better idea about win and if we should open our economy. Yeah I mean it's like the reverse walkout like you have to have a plan so that because one person walking out of a you know of your workplace means that one person gets fired or whatever I mean it's just it's the band together in the name of protests but also in this in this case it's you know it's functional decision making right if nobody trusts the way. The decision making is happening Yeah you gotTa have these little super friends team up story to make it seem like you're not just any any one person can be painted as an enemy of trump. Right it takes it takes. It takes a coalition to try to combat that perception. There was a great quote in the Washington Post. I think that really gets at this idea of reopening the economy and the way the administration is thinking about this. The speaker who was anonymous is an administration official and the official is talking about people inside the White House. Who want the government to open up the official says quote. They already know what they WANNA do. And they're looking for ways to do it. They think it's time to reopen because some thought it was never time to close and they've made that up in their minds. God that's a really key idea here right. You're dealing with people who did not think we should have taken these steps to begin with. Do not think the economy should've closed down. So when we're saying. Wow you seem like you're recklessly. Trying to reopen the economy. They recklessly did want to close the economy They were happy to leave it up to the individual states to do that. Right South Dakota who whenever we now see outbreaks in. Sorry go well no no. I mean who knows what the actual sequence of events that led us to the closure into the stay at home mortars into everything all of actual. You know reasonable cautious stuff. That trump said Over the past couple month or so but I mean for a man that cares so little about presidents about about norms about about business as usual in the government about the separation of powers. I mean what a fucking baby to be sitting there crying about like a decision his own administration made in the like somebody like put out a law and he was like. Oh Shit you got to it before me. It wasn't like someone else's is giving these to our press conferences every night you know. He's proven before the things he says. I'll allow them press. Conferences can pass for passes like a government government edict it. I mean it's all he has to do is change it and he knows it's not good enough. He's just he knows that decisions to stay at home to business shutdown. He knows that the right. He's I guarantee he's just justified being someone else's someone else's call so that he can complain about it to himself or his to solution seemed to be given other press conference and say potentially wildly contradictory things number one or number two former group form a panel of some sort like jared. Kushner has a panel right. This week we saw the formation of more panels. And I'm actually a little bit confused about what these are even have to read in the articles believe there is a blanket name called the great American Economic Revival Industry groups which is which yeah the great American Economic Revival Industry groups that is not an acronym as far as I can tell. I don't think so. I think that's just a really long name off that sounds like a chapter in your like ap US History Textbook. That you definitely didn't WanNa read. I'm going to skip right right on over that on Monday. Some administration officials gave trump a list of executives who could possibly be on one of these panels. There was one problem. Reports The Washington Post these executives quote have not yet been formally notified that they could serve in an advisory role. The Post would later. Report the debate. This week has been over how to implement the return to work. What data could be used to justify the decision and how to build public support for it to provide the president maximum political cover so wait some multimillionaire? Ceo IS GONNA give trump political cover for this controversy on. Pinson deadly planned to return to work. But then you did not bother to tell the. Ceo that they were going to be doing this on Wednesday. This all came to a head for the New York Times. Pfizer was blindsided by its inclusion in the group receiving a heads up. Mr Trump might mention the company an hour before the announcement a lobbyist tells the Washington Post. And this will resonate with anyone. Trying to do a podcast. During these times we got a note about a conference. Call like you'd get an invite to zoom thing a few lines in an email and that was it then our CEO heard his name in the Rose Garden. What the expletive Mike Company is furious? Oh my God. So that's how that came together Then as Jonathan chait points out in his column in your magazine and I- crill bunch of links from him for this segment when those executives finally got on a conference call with trump against this zoom meeting. What did they encourage him to do? They encouraged him to do mass testing. They didn't say oh. No no no reopen the economy. They said No. No no we want you to do mass testing. That's what we need to get back to work in America. That's the prerequisite so just think about how this all went around trump rallies. A bunch of CEOS whom he hopes will give him cover to send America back to work. And the CEOS say no no no we. We just want you to do what the scientists say. You should have been doing this whole time. Which is ramp up test? I'm these where we are. It's IT's again we're way past our our discussions of you know trump being tossed overhand pitch right over home plate and just like deciding to whatever dropped trial instead of swinging the bat. But like this is like asking for more like insisting on more testing like this isn't this isn't mutually exclusive from a remove towards opening the economy. It's a it's A. It's a measure in that direction and it would be really easy from at least. Just say it out loud even if you didn't talk and minute but now. I mean he's just like whatever for whatever reason his own the only path forward to him. Is You know plug my ears and close my eyes and wish everything back to the way. It was very strange Chris and is a picture of from Columbus Ohio. I'm sure you saw this. The protesters sort of smashed against the walls. The windows statehouse there Densely packed crowd. Everybody looks angry as some really good twitter jokes. The walking dead season twenty twenty The other one was twenty eight business days later. Which brings US David to the overwork twitter? Where celebrate a gag? That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time in your nominees to at the press. Box pod where they are always gratefully received we got this from Gary Dickson As a kind of starter. He says as the arbiters of over works. Are you guys able to put out a decree banning X. in the time of Corona Virus tweets and I feel like we've all suffered enough from that one in full disclosure here guilty of it myself. I don't know I mean you you and I. I'M NOT GONNA name names. We've discussed offline the sort of prevalence of of You know filling the T. Kt Kt a and then came corona virus headline chop. Yeah a doctor. He was a doctor who save lives then came corona virus. Yeah exactly he had a great idea to to group source trash pickup and then came groenemeyer. The blanket at the time of Corona virus is a welcome reprieve to some of this thing out there. I gotTa Tell Ya at least at least your mind is taken away to a to a wonderful literary landscape and not just as crazy world that we live in but anyway I i. I think it's fine we can. We can ban that too. We can ban that it's it is time to social distance from that headline David on Wednesday giancarl. Cnn White House correspondent and author of a new book was Donald Trump's news conference in the Rose Garden he tweeted Yikes a rat just scurried by on the steps behind the president a rat. It was an overworked twitter. Joke to write the departed two thousand and six. That was end of the movie. It's fantastic trump. Name part of his council to Reopen America. We know trump likes to leave policy making to the moguls. Did you see the bit where it had a Fox? News graphic of who was on this council. And then the people were uncle pennybags of from monopoly. Scrooge mcduck Arthur slug worth who had forgotten about. And Richie rich thanks to Canberra for bringing art into that. One and finally David a sad story out of Hollywood after two seasons. Cbs has cancelled the show. God Forbid Me Godfrey. I'm sure that was high on your queue. There lot of good lines about that. God unprinted me Got Blocked and reported me and my personal favorite. God turned out to be a Russian Baden improve significantly on the concept of God friend and make congrats. You made the overwork twitter joke of the week. We got the notebook dump coming up David but before that. Let's take a quick break k. What's up everybody? I'm Tim L. Hill and I'm Dan late to introduce on new podcast. Wire way down in the hole we're going to recap breakdown in analyze every episode of the iconic. Hbo Hit series. The wire starting from the beginning with season. One episode. Hit you on April fifteenth. 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I've decided I like doing this show. I like talking to you guys but I don't value indulging irrationality hyper partisanship. I don't think it's worth my time anymore. UAE 'cause I don't WanNA spend my time trafficking in things that I think are ridiculous. I don't want to spend my time on television talking. Democrats about things that I don't really believe they mean and I don't WanNa spend my time talking. Republicans about them parroting things that they feel they have to say and analyzing the president's who we all know is full of shit most of the time by design. Wow my first reaction to this is is that I can't imagine a more spot on. Critique of our of the of the television Television Political News. Industrial Machine gives the game away. Doesn't it yeah I mean it's something that we all say but I think that if you've watch Chris Cuomo over the past couple of weeks and I have to admit I have watched a little bit. You can see the existential crisis coming you know. I mean. He was sitting in his basement. Which is so pristine it. Looks like a painting or like a Hollywood set of a basement and a green screen basement sitting behind him where day after day he'd kind of goes deeper into kind of grown virus and the implicit. You know sadness and tragedy. That's that's tied to it. You had to wonder also watching him why he was still doing it right. I mean there's a sort of like propulsion that keeps us all going in this day and age but for everybody that we see on TV obviously going to fill up to fill it up. But if you're I mean he's he's suffient he is. He has corona virus rate. He has covert nineteen and the decision was made between him and the CNN to keep going. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but I wonder to what degree was discussed like. What the other options were you know because it does feel a little bit like despite everything he saying now having him continue on. I mean if anyone else involved in the decision is like stunt casting right or stunt booking you know I mean you're just like hey this guy actually has and he's in his basement right now with a you know the medicine sitting next to him or whatever. I mean it's just it's it's there's A. There's a lot there but what he actually said. I'm sure that there are a lot of people on who who have similar jobs to him. That are like yes we've been. We've been saying this or we've been complaining about this behind the scenes for years. I'm not sure that it's GonNa make a lot of difference to what we see on. You know our big news channels on a nightly basis. Yeah I mean I saw a couple of things you're right about. I didn't even think about the fact that you know he had. He is recovering from Corona virus. And naturally your mind goes to different places right. You're recovering from by the way. He specifically said just the other day that he believes. There is a mental component to corona virus that the sort of depression that he's going through. I mean that he that he's feeling or not I mean that's not clinically depression. Obviously but this his mind is is suffering as well so again you could see it coming. Yeah and then I think I think the other thing he's touching on their as your point about the artifice of Cable News right even if you style yourself as a huge big booming truth teller like Chris Cuomo your job is essentially bringing on Republicans. Who are going to lie on the Air. And you have to yell at them. Bringing out Democrats who? Let's say in this in this world. They're not lying in quite the same way or they're not as they have fealty to a leader like trump and quite the same way. But how much are you really accomplishing? Their right that's hit in. His show is trying desperately to not be partisan right so he has to be this guy who's bringing all kinds of people on and often getting mad at them and he is in that clip. Wondering is this a good use of my time or really anybody's time. Good question right. I really good question and one that you know we've seen cable news. Try to approach them different ways. Msnbc is tried to approach her own way of kind of like okay. We're just going to bring kind of like minded mostly liberal people on here We won't have a lot of like they won't. You won't hear a lot of republican voices but the ideas you'll probably get more truth onto this right. That's how they've approached that question it. Cnn's approach in a totally different way. They're not trying to be the anti-trump network though. They are very skeptical of trump and a lot of ways. But that's a weird place to be. There's a lot of artifice in that. The other thing I'd say and this applies to probably a lot of people we know out in the World Eastern Sports is a win. You get more and more successful especially in television you are required almost always to do dumber and dumber things as part of your job. Let's say you're really smart person? Who's a writer or smart person? Who's a pocket? Whatever it is when you go to TV. It's almost like you have to take fifteen miles per hour off your fastball. At least and you watch and we've seen this all the time you watch these people and we like man. I love that person. They're so great at what they do all they got a promotion they got a TV show. This is awesome and then you watch. Tv Show and go oh wait. They're not doing what I like about what I liked about them. In the first place in fact they're kind of doing the opposite and almost a little bit of that Chris. Cuomo has climbed to the top of the cable. Tv Mountain and then goes this is it. This is what I do every day. Yeah Yeah I mean I think we all we all have witnessed what you experienced. I mean I. It's hard to I mean I think I think we're all sort of those who are fortunate to still be employed in a in the recession that we're in right now. I've probably spent some time sort of questioning what we're doing or at least questioning their balance of what we're doing either work life balance spending so much more time with our families. A lot of us were the were the balance within the job itself. When you're I mean when you have multiple things going on you wonder which the things are more important at this moment. Then you start thinking about which the things are more important full. Stop you know and and you're right. I mean Chris Cuomo is occupies a really interesting place in the media landscape on his own. The first time I saw this I was sort of like I mean I think my part of my first reaction was wondering whether or not this was like. He's moving towards politics or something you know he's he's GonNa just like going walkabout like what. What does this mean but I think that the but I think the I think looking at it through that lens is almost just like doing the same thing that he's complaining about doing right? Not Everything is a move towards something else. Not Everything is sort of like calculated Like a calculated venture in this. You know media landscape if we if. I had heard this prior to corona virus. I thought one hundred percent certainty that he was either quitting or he was like trying to get out of his deal so that he go work at MSNBC WHO had already secret at him and offer you know. But there's an but I think that to really take what he's talking about I mean to really do it justice. And they're really deeply about it. I think that we look. I think we're all thinking these things you know. I don't think I'm ready. We don't necessarily have the platform to say people radio shows earn calling us to talk about it but no absolutely not and by the way when you when you say go out and rugby in politics. I think if I'm sort of diving into his head that's another part of this right. We talked about the CUOMO brother show. Oh my brother. He's doing stuff right now. I'm doing something to not underrating with the media's doing and all this because he's got an important job to look at my brother's really doing something. Is there something more important? I could be doing and I. I'm with you to your last point. I'm whenever anybody says anything like this. They shouted down the get made fun of they get rain back in usually by their employer and as you saw this cuomo basically went on. Tv The next day and said I didn't mean this I didn't mean it. He had of course. Because you can't give the game away and then go back on television and be that guy on CNN. I'm but I'm pro doubt and I think we should win media members step back and say is this what I should really be doing or is this the way I should be doing my job. I think we should encourage that right because I think every one of US could probably as you say stand have that conversation right always reminders. As even if you're not doing anything pernicious or evil or whatever it is to just say. Is this really what I should be doing with my life? I mean that benefits. Everybody and so much of media is like wrestling. Where even again? And there's a ton of sports jobs at a place where you just can't were somehow admitting that maybe you're not doing the most important thing in the world. You're not doing it in the best way that you possibly can is just like. Oh my God sacrilege right. You can't say that yes you can. And and people should be encouraged to totally agree. I mean this is a very small version of that but like we have the luxury of working for a website. We both worked at grantland before the ringer. But but the place that encourages long form writing deep thinking. And I'd say that like I've I mean this is just a guess but I bet if you look back through like the greatest hits of the ringer and the GRANTLAND catalogue about a solid. Fifty percent of the of the best long form pieces came to a point where the writer asked him or herself. The question why am I writing this piece halfway through? Like what is the purpose of like? Why am I doing this and wrestling with that sort of question? In real time in very small instances is you can have wonderful results. But I think what we're talking about. Is this sort of you. Know zoomed out a little bit more just because you quite just because you're wondering if what you're doing is the best use of your time in the best way contribute to the world doesn't mean that you're not doing your job it probably means you're doing a better job than the person sitting next to you. Who Like you know? You know pushing ahead with blinders on. Let's do a little listener. Mail as we ponder our own existence here in the fear. This one comes from Brandon James Anderson. He writes. Can you guys please just riff for like six minutes on the sublimely absurd? Daytime TV ADS. We are all watching a lot more of lately. I just watched iced tea. Spend over a minute pitching something called carshield And apparently she said it doesn't take a detective to know we all use our cars. That was the line. I'm amazed by this because like used to have to like seek out like Glenn Beck show to find gold ads and that's a weird but now and I and I don't know if this is a I should probably check on this but like if you watch those classic Games on ESPN there've hundred very like lo for low grade for ESPN ads appearing in those things. Yeah it really reminds me of watching. Uhf stations and childhood. What is what is the word for this guy told me I'm blanking on it. What does the word with the ADS? That just sort of come out of the slush pile when it's just like you don't have when you haven't sold another ad and then there's just like a Fox News. Always get in trouble or or advertisers would always get in trouble for something that Bill O'Reilly said and then they'd be like listen. We didn't target Fox News. We just paid like a thousand dollars to have our ad in the slush pile and whenever they didn't sell an ad they would just roll on on but we're regardless there is a lot of that and even when there's a lot of slush pile even when it's not slush pile maybe it's even when you when you see the same add two or three times that's when it really starts hitting home or you're just. I think I've made this joke before but like when you're watching MSNBC during the day and you realize that you've seen the same ad for some medication that specifically targets like ninety plus people. You're just like this really isn't meant for me like I understand what I'm whatever I'm watching like I'm not the target audience for it's it's really bizarre and it's interesting that the I mean. I know that the marketing departments don't aren't flush with cash you know. We're all suffering financially. I think in this at this point in time. But it's it's weird to me that there's not more. There hasn't been more of an uptick in in the sorts of ads that we see during those times. I mean honestly it's like let's make a deal is the new super bowl. I mean everybody's at home watching TV but yes if you watch TV during the days you see a bunch a bunch of crazy stuff. I saw that ice tea commercial and was kind of confused as to what in the world I was watching. It's a it's A. It's a close second to the draymond. Green smile direct club commercials. That used to run all the time with him and his mom. I don't know it's just like I get in trance trying to do the math of how much money it would take ice t to do that. Secure that that commercial right and same with Draymond Green. It's like what? How much money does it take to get draymond? Green his mom to show up to do this commercial and you start looking at a salary. Plus the pen paper. It's it's it's it's fun to think about No from Yale Park are journalists particularly sports journalists eating healthier now. They're no longer on the road. Also what's the most unusual thing you've cooked baked eaten during quarantine? You and I used to joke all the time. This is Bryan Curtis Special About. How does it when we were single and young and whatever else? There's nothing more irritating than like the idea of someone's like sitting down at the table chilies and just being like do. I want dessert. Hey I'm on vacation you know and just sort of like as if the rules are different. Now we're old enough to know the rules actually are sort of different when you that. If you don't eat well at least most of the time you're you know going down a bad road but yeah I mean listen. There's there there is there is a definitely an obscene joy. That comes with walking into a basketball arena. And just being like yes. I'll have one of each you know in just indulging yourself on all that crap there because you know you're going to be like you know Granola and salads when you get home I think but but worse than what I experienced and probably what you experience on the regular or like we hear from our writers about the NFL Training Camp Tours about you know when you're on the road like following a basketball team for a story something like that you you end up eating ninety five percent of your meals at whatever drive-thrus open at the hour that you are free to go to your hotel and And you gotta thinks it I mean you. We experience out on a micro level when I'm like you know when I decided to go to McDonald's with my kid or whatever and I'm just like I'm going to do it up and then I get halfway through the food that I ordered. I'm rolling on the ground. It's clear that there is it. Sorry about To our sponsor McDonalds there it is. It's clear that it makes a difference. I assume everybody's eating much better although I say this meeting way better than I do and I'm not I'm not usually on the road. Although but day opened the freezer and I'm just like I can't wait till the circumstances get dire enough that we have to heat up those fish sticks like that's and that's what I look at the right thing every day Jed Orville Wright's this if you could reopen one and only one business right now with the magic guarantee that it would remain virus free. Oh what would it be? I mean do I have. Is this for my own personal pleasure or is it not for? I mean I would do your own. I think it would be wonderful if you no way. There is like a like central park in New York could be open and Tin Free Environs. Free for all the people that live around it. I mean and there's some like you know greater good question here but if it's just me. I talked about a bowling alley last week. And it'll be really fun to go to a bowling alley. All the lines probably long as hell. That was the only one open. Longhorn steakhouse the other day or something by the way we gotta take off in. The Long Horn steakhouse though one. Is The one indulgence. Over the past. Two months was a My wife went. I think with the kids and just sat in the parking lot while like people in like you know containment suits came out and took your order and then like you know eventually in twenty minutes later. Walked it out to your car Misuse bookstores. And I worry on his bookstores. Oh yes I follow like at least one instagram. They're always you know kind of like sadly throwing up pictures here in Orange County of all this great stuff and I'm like man that as an act. I miss you know just in general yeah I mean just. I don't even think that that you know the people younger than us. Really indulge in this as much as we do it's it's somewhat generational thing but the idea of just spending time out in. Oh spending time in store Yeah I I missed that a lot. We'll do a couple of these quickly cinema Joe's podcast as do you think the layoffs of media companies will be reversed after the pandemic answer will this further contraction of an industry in decline be permanent. I'll take that one guy. I think it's mostly going to be permanent And you know especially when we think of print jobs if you have a newspaper. They'd has like ten people in the Sports Section. And let's say they've downsized during this to seven. Do you really believe they're gonNA come back with ten people in the sports section when this is Owen and if this is over or is seven going to be the normal. I think it's GonNa be seven. You know I think a lot of those jobs are gonNA disappear not all of them you know when we talk about. Espn or Japan. You could imagine a a you know a time when you know if they if they wind up especially. Espn's not downsized officially. And if they do that they could roar back at some point but writing jobs now now permanent to me. I'm inclined to agree with you. I think there'll be some jobs that comeback I definitely think they're certainly some businesses especially smaller businesses. That are that are dealing with urgent realities and we know that you know from just recent history There's a lot of Journalistic outpost websites. Or whatever else that are sort of just getting by month to month Hopefully there I mean there's some there's some that are that are either. GonNa shut down or be forced to Rehire Rehire. Some amount of people. But then you look at you. Look at instances like I don't know if you saw that. Sa Todd McCarthy wrote an Hyodo reporter. I think it was yesterday. Which just narrated his own his own firing by the Hollywood reporter and very beginning of as a great piece. Everyone should read it. There's a Tasty through sort of a whirlwind tour of a couple of decades of you know Hollywood journalism and job security the job security there in but at the very beginning he talks about the fact that he got a raise like two months ago. An unexpected like healthy raise and now he's out on the street now. I guess there's some conspiratorial view that like he gave them a race that you could put them in a bracket that necessitated as firing. I think the I think the more the greater likelihood is it the people that are calling for the firings that people there mandating the lay offs are not the same people who are in a place to make a judgment. Call about what you're out. You're journalism on. Enterprise even needs so the idea that they're going to like that the that someone's going to be reversing course two months from managers because the economy's better. I mean they wouldn't have a lot of these lasts wouldn't have happened if the people that actually had an idea of what they what the production was a. Lotta these lamps. Yeah they were aware enough to do. Look at what they did. You know so. I think it's really unlikely that a lot of the jobs are GonNa Return last one here. From Alex's Katie Nolan had cool segment where she and several others at. Espn competed to see who could get the most famous person to join their zoom chat. Who are the most famous people that Brian David could get to hop on a random? Zoom call isn't the answer to this bill. Oh yeah yeah I mean I think. I don't know that there's anybody that would like immediately answer the phone. That would be anywhere near as as famous as bill. I have Karl Rove's numbers of Karl Rove's number in your phone not council while you have some good yes. Some good like political in sports contacts. I Dunno if they'd answer is Zumra Zoom request. Would you presumably you get to tell them right? I mean you know you you don't just send it out and just say hey jump on this at seven o'clock like I don't know I would. I would I would suggest that the press box listeners. Go back through the Bryan Curtis and just see the names that have appeared more than once. I think I think his ROLODEX. We could get us through some tough times that way. If the if this game were actually game of life or death you know. I think that we'd see Bob face pop up on the zoom call before you do that for Bob. WanNa speak for Bob. But if he he'd do it maybe if we ask politely all right time for David. Shoemaker guesses the strain headline Tuesday's headline about Crossword Puzzles was. Here's looking at you grid. That's great today's headline is from Darcy. Danaher it's from the age the newspaper in Beautiful Melbourne Australia. One of the best cities in the whole world David Australia is facing the same challenges. We are over here. People are going to the beach. They're playing soccer. They're having lunch. Despite orders to stay at home and social distance. This headline is really Datta. So it may be impossible to guess. But it's based on Winston Churchill's famous. We shall fight them on the beaches speech. We shall fight them on the beaches. What was the ages strained pun headline so people are still going the beaches it matter that it's in Australia? No mutual fight them on the beaches. Except I don't even know the British and Irish remember. There's like we shall fight them on the streets and we will never surrender or something like yeah. You don't WanNA rhyme with beaches and this is like in the words of a mayor who's trying to enforce the law. We shall fight them on the on the show so this is so let them on the and really WanNa see breaches. Just because it's that you you gotta is that we'll fight them on the breaches says Maher all right. I'm on the breaches are is David. Shoemaker Bryan hankered as research by Chris Almeida production magic by Erica. Santa's back Monday with more. Lukewarm takes about the media and David let us discuss the plight of the Indie Bookstore. See Them my man.

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Guardians of the Galaxy | Marvel Month

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Guardians of the Galaxy | Marvel Month

"Hey, it's lists Kelly. Welcome to the ringer podcast network season. Eight of game of thrones begins this Sunday, which means bench mode game of thrones makes its long awaited return with your resident experts. Mallory Ruben, and Jason Concepcion guiding you through each episode and to get your fix every Sunday night. Chris Ryan joins Mallory and Jason on talk. The thrones a Twitter after show recapping each episode throughout the season to make sure you check out the bench mode podcast on apple or Spotify talk. The thrones on Twitter and for even more thrones coverage you can head to the ringer dot com. I'm Shawn fantasy editor in chief of the ringer. And this is the big picture a conversation show about the moral cinematic universe. We have talked about two films already in this marvel month series. The I was captain America the first avenger with Amanda Dobbins. The second was Marvel's the avengers with Chris Ryan, I am joined today by someone I would describe as a significantly deeper comic book expert, and we're gonna talk about what I think is maybe the best marvel movie, and that's kind of where I want to start. I'm here with David shoemaker. David. What's up not much is up? It's been fun. Rewatching guardians of the galaxy on and off over the past couple of weeks. Thanks for the opportunity. Yeah. I you know, I really had a lot of fun listening to it. You know, we we got a little bit of flack for some of the conversations we've had about these first two films, and the reason that we wanted to talk about those movies at the beginning of this series is because mobile didn't totally have their tone in their approach figured out in the early stages of these films phase one they were still kind of working out the kinks. They were figuring out who their characters were. They were figuring out how to portray them something. Guardians of the galaxy. Though, man, I feel like things really click in in a place rewatching this movie. I I found myself falling in love all over again. Yeah. I mean, it's really a spectacular movie. And it's and it's hard to find a lot of fault with it. You know, it's it's part of that is because it's just such a I mean, the I'm sure you I know you've talked about this that that all of the marvel movies. You know, what makes them work is that they sort of attached themselves to do genera her to a style. But this is just so much so much further than you know, winter soldier is a seventy spy thriller. You know, this is just a straight up science fiction movie. Yeah. And and ended and it's able to sort of just relishing itself in a way that that you know, it took a little bit more several movies of establishing this the background of the tone for something someone like iron man to fully do. Yeah. And I don't think marvel ever could have started in space. You know, doing an outer space adventure is something they had to kind of work their way up to. And I think we'll talk about this a lot on the show. But it's interesting that that does seem like where. Marvel writ large is going. You know, in a lot of ways, captain marvel of courses, totally a science fiction outerspace movie. It seems like the quest to fight. Then in the new and game movie is also going to largely take place inter galactically guardians of the galaxy though it has this great tone. It is it is science fiction. But you know, right from the jump in the movie, you're you're immediately thrust into kind of raiders of the lost ark adventure story to what do you remember from your your sort of anticipation of the movie beforehand as somebody who knows a little bit about the guardians characters. Well. The the guardians characters that are in this movie. You're not the guardians characters that I grew up with. I mean, there was a there was a pretty a pretty famous guardians of the galaxy series that started in the late nineties. Jim Valentino did that was based on a group of key characters by the same name from the sixties and seventies. I guess and that was just a little bit Hammy. And and I mean, the comic book back then was I mean, even the one of the nineties in the gritty era was supposed to be a departure from all the wolverines and Lobos in punishers around. It was a little bit more just straightforward, you know, upbeat adventure. And then they the guardians of the galaxy. That's in the movie was a creation. I believe this team was put together in two thousand ten by Adnan landing or just to relieve, you know, solid marvel inter scribes of the cosmos. I mean, not just marvel different for everybody. They did a lot of green lantern stuff like that too. But but they made this. They they put this this team. Call them the guardians of the galaxy with you know, sort of only a passing connection to the original team. And then Kevin Feige was just like, you know, saw this happening. And he was giving interviews sort of contemporaneous Lear. He was like, yeah. There's this cool new comic all the guardians of the galaxy. They're doing some really interesting stuff that said, you know, I think that we've had this conversation before I was never a big fan of like cosmos in comic books, you know. I mean, even when like the X men went into outer space to fight the brood or something I was always just a little bit. You know, I'd rather see them back at the mansion playing softball. I was the same way. I was not. I was not a an outer space comic book consumer really at all. And even when things like secret wars were happening. I found myself somewhat detached from the storytelling because it almost felt too big. Yeah. I mean, there's I mean, certainly see see the the charm and the writing of some of these space operatic. I don't even know how to say it space opera composers the gym starlings of the comp. Quarrel. But there's you know, obviously, a lot of that and just like the science fiction novel world to an and again, I was much more of a fantasy guy, you know, than than like this then space opera novels, but you can see the charm and what they're doing. Now. I mean, it was the sort of super trippy just like anything goes. I mean, you think anything could go in a superman comic book. But, but this is really anything goes you're just pulling us creating alien races. And and superpowers, and and you know, even the laws of like galactic physics. Don't need to apply. It's there's there there the the palate is so broad that. Sometimes the stories can be a little bit more epic more. I mean, obviously, more ethic more kind of classical Shakespearean and everything else. I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of opportunity there. And they really, you know, milked it for all was worth. Yeah. And you know, I found myself rewatching the avengers and thinking that the whole Qatari storyline was sort of underdeveloped in stupid and the freeze allergies. That were being thrown around was not well developed this movie is not dissimilar in that. It just throws a lot of terminology a lot. Of planetary history. A lot of race war at you. And you never feel overwhelmed by it. If you don't fully understand it. It doesn't really matter. But if you take time to unpack it, it's fun to learn about, and that is the sign of a movie that is extremely thoughtfully. Composed. You know, the entire world that James Gunn who is the co writer and director of this movie puts together is really really considered. I found that as I reached his rivals. I watch for the first time his commentary track on the movie, you can see he's given the stuff an extraordinary amount of thought. And sometimes that seems that could seem like overkill, but in this case, it really pays off because everything feels easily understandable. Would you agree with that? Yeah. And if I were at the table giving notes on the script, I'm sure I would jumped out of my chair and said, no, you can't have three and a half layers of villains. Right. I mean, it just just went example. But there's like there's it it seems like it's going to be calm. I mean, t to describe the plot is it's very complicated. But it's told immaculately I mean, it's just it seems it's just so. Oh, simple and straightforward on the screen. And I think part of that is I mean, we'll get into the, you know, macguffin conversation later on. But part of it is that like the actual plot is utterly empty any. I mean, it will matter more going down. I mean, as we get to the Infinity war, but there's not there's not a whole lot of, you know, exposition on technology, or you know, exposition on on this. Why were pursuing this thing that we're pursuing and that way it's really it is very it does relate to Indiana Jones at least more of like the beginning of raiders of lost. Ark. Like, you mentioned where you're just you're in there looking for an idol, and let's go I wanna pick up on that very quickly. But first let me read some kind of key data points to this movie the situate us so guardians of the galaxy was was released on August. First twenty fourteen it's directors. I mentioned his James Gunn his previous two movies as the director are the gross out horror comedy slither and twenty ten superhero deconstructionist's tail super his previous scripts, I think are very interesting, and I want to spend a little bit of time. Talking about them at some point. They include the trauma movie Tromo, Juliet, and another superhero deconstruction called the specials, Scooby doo dawn of the dead, Scooby doo two monsters unleashed. So he co wrote this movie with Nicole Perlman who was a part of the marvel writing academy, and she wrote the first script, and then gone came in and reportedly rewrote most of the script. So the movie stars a lot of people who at the time. I think you would have thought I'm not sure that this person should be in this movie. And now I feel like they are fundamental to the marvel story which is kind of an interesting tweak that they've made to. So it's Chris Pratt. Zoe saldana. Dave Bautista your beloved, Batista. Bradley Cooper VIN diesel Lee pace, Michael Rooker, who has appeared in all of James guns films. Karen, Gillan giant Han Soo who we just saw recently in captain marvel Glenn Close, and John C Reilly helluva cast this movie made seven hundred seventy three million dollars. It's Runtime is a a Quainton elegant one hundred and twenty two minutes and had a ninety one. Percents score from the critics on rotten tomatoes and a ninety two percent score from audiences who gave it in a in cinema score. David. I feel like this movie is one of the few that has a sort of effectively remembered, you know, that it's like going back and rewatching the avengers. I forgot how much I had forgotten. And yes, this movie I felt like I was back in in a in a warm cozy bed. Did you have this similar feeling going back to it? I'm pretty sure I fully missed an ironman movie and didn't realize until yes. Like for like three years ago. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I I remember I remember this very well. There's there's definitely parts that I that. I didn't remember and sort of that. I mean, some of that's willful. I mean when when Santos and Ronin are having their growly conversation. I mean anytime that happens in a movie where to gravel voiced CGI villains or like having a talk. You know, I just I my brain turns off for. But again, that's like what you were talking about. You don't need to understand like the finer points of you know, the detail. Tales of the story to really default, the the tempo to fall, the tune of the movie, but in retrospect, I mean, I know that James Gunn wrote most or all of this. But I, but I kept wondering how much of a hand fi in the rest of just like what who whatever the the the marvel M C, you braintrust had a hand wonder how much power control they exert over the script because it has so much to do with everything that followed that was exactly my impression too. I was like it's incredible the whole Infinity war saga is basically laid out in this movie. You know, they we we meet Thanos really for the first time him talking has done that as portrayed by Josh Brolin. We understand why the Infinity gems matter we understand why space and the quest to kind of pursue all of these things matter we understand the idea of like team building, you know, this movie is like the weirdly, a better team building movie than the vendors in many ways. And also just totally you know, we talked about that raiders of the lost ark moment. You know, right at the beginning of the movie where Chris Pratt charac. Star Lord aka Peter quilt during the title sequence is entering a cave. And he seems like he is questing for some sort of magical item. And then all the sudden red bones. Come and get your love kicks in on the soundtrack. And this movie to sort of turns into singing in the rain inside of a cave. You know, Chris Pratt is kicking the water around. He's grabbing these rodent amphibian creatures and singing into them and the tone has just completely shifted. And it shows a kind of like a lightness in the movie that I think these other movies have have had in contained sequences, but the guardians of the galaxy sort of like uses as its defining tone. I was just reminded again of just kind of like how generally happy that made me in. How smart it was to make a movie that could be deemed silly? If played straight to make it silly. So that it feels more straight. Yeah. That's exactly right. I mean, it's it's we've talked before on this podcast about how what really makes the marvel. Universe movies, click that that the other the MCI movies clicked that that the DC moves the X men movies. Don't all have even some of the Spiderman movies is a level of self awareness. You know, I mean, they can just that, you know, rob. Downey junior can wink at the camera in a way that someone else in that role wouldn't be able to in certainly the direction from top down production really helps there's a cellphone you can be self aware self aware that you're making a comic book movie only to a certain point because at the end of the day, you're so making account movie. But with guardians has is this this vast history of sci-fi that they can kind of take the piss out of right? They have they have it's a it's a much bigger tapestry of of references that they can make and and just, you know, much many more, you know, E T is that they can do they can wink at the camera with and and I and just to to to to start off the movie with just such silliness. I don't think I don't think that could have played in the one of you know, in the first ironman, certainly not the first store, you know, the first Holck anything like that. It would have seemed like it would have seen just like silly. You know, and you need to you. And and when you're when you're telling a story that's inherently so you have to be a little bit Ernest. And they were disabled to go right in with the silliness, and it really affect effectively like just disa- disarm, or you know. Yeah. Disarm the entire audience. Which is you know, I think that's why you see such high scores. Yeah. I think also in that very first sequence you see that moment where star Lord Peter quilt, grabs the orb, and then all of a sudden these crease soldiers arrive led by John Hahn, sue and Peter quill does his whole expletive moment where he clarifies that he is star Lord. And he's a an international ravage or intergalactic ravage and chiming hunter's character just biscuits as like who like he has no idea who he is. And that's the same feeling that the audience has is we're watching this movie looks like we don't know who the guardians. Are there? Not captain America. They're not iron, man. They're not the hulk. And so that that self referential -ality is tool that's wielded really effectively throughout this movie. I I was curious how familiar were you with James Gunn and kind of what he did before this movie. Not at all. I mean, I mean, we're really there is. Dimly? I was dimly aware of the, you know, superhero movie that he did what was it calms called super super rate? And I mean, but I never seen it. I my entire perception of James Gunn was hearing people say that's a good choice when when he was chosen, but you know, all of those at this point, I was just following blindly, the brilliance of the marvel cinematic universe. Yes. So super is kind of an interesting text. It's a centrally about a a fry cook. Who after his wife leaves him tries to become a vigilante superhero of some kind. It's a it's a very kind of it's not withholding movie. It's very violent. It's very crude. It's very angry, and it feels in keeping with guns background, which kind of comes out of trauma, which is this independent film studio based out of New York on the ringer last year. We had a really great piece about the whole history of that that studio and James can kind of made his bones writing for this company, which is like very outlandish in very over the top very exploitation. In friendly. And it requires an understanding of John RA in a pretty deep and significant way. And so I thought that James Gunn was definitely an inspired choice when they brought him on. I don't think I realized quite how pop and colorful, and as you said sort of before sort of space operatic. His movies could be mostly just because he'd been working with such small budgets in the past. And it's kind of amazing to say James gone. Here's two hundred million dollar show me what you can do. I emitted me think that this more than anything set the template for how they would choose filmmakers in the future too. Yeah. I think that's right. I mean, just I mean, listen, it's imp- you watch these movies. And I don't wanna like, you know, break K fade too much into us the wrestling term. But like, it's you can't watch the entire any number of these marvel movies and not come away with the feeling that like the directors are not in charge of CGI, right? Directors are not in charge of the color of the color palette of the you know of post pro, you know, they they're they're not they're they're doing the they might have an incredible amount of control. But visually. I mean, these these decisions are being made from on high. And you know, I don't know how much it I guess before the marvel before the MC you I think that I don't know. I don't know if every movie goer out there agreed with me. But it did seem like that CGI, you know, this sort of sci-fi, you know, massive siegi enterprise was almost like a a space reserved for a certain sort of like CGI autour, you know, the sort of George Lucas James Cameron like you have to understand the technology from top to bottom to be able to make a movie this way. And I think what it would marvel effectively dead was just kind of tossed that out the window and say, like don't worry, we'll handle that you just make you know, Robert Downey junior look funny. And and you know, we'll fly the arm around don't worry about it. You know? I mean, I think I think it was this is obviously a much more complicated movie. And this is where marvel goes in a really, you know, production heavy direction and give James Gunn all the credit for making that seem sort of seamless. Yeah. I agree. It's funny. If you watch the credits of these movies, you'll always see two or three executive producers bound together on on the credit sequence. And one of those producers is usually the production producer, and one of those producers is usually the post production producer, and the post pro producer is the person who handles pre visualize ation with the designers, and the people were handling all the CGI execution and the way that they're staged. It's funny. I had David Sandberg. The director Suzanne on the show earlier this week and something he said to me was very cool. He said so for previous rather than do, these massive storyboards, or, you know, you know, hire somebody to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to visualize them. What I do is. I just set up a camera, and I take a superhero toys, and I just position them the way that I want to and I film that and and I don't get the impression that that's the way the guardians of the galaxy was made it's a little bit too grand of a stage to imagine something like that. And so I think you're right that one of guns. Great successes aside from the tone and identifying the right? Inspirations and picking kind of a perfect cast, which we should talk about was making that Wham. Bam marvel CGI stuff feel coherent and feel a part of his story. Let's talk about that cast a little bit. So at this point in two thousand fourteen Chris Pratt was a star of parks and recreation. Oh, yes choir. I call it that. Because if you take a shower, and he touched wire, you sort of you had played Scott had a Burgh in moneyball. Hello, scott. Yes. To Billy bean of the Oakland days. Yes. Can we talk? Yeah. Do you wanna let us in? He was a very strong dude in zero dark thirty. Excuse me. What do we do? We need this foreign in Libya. I mean off anti airs virtually non-existent. You want to brief him and a little bit earlier that year he had voiced Emmett brickhouse ski in the leg. Obi. Triple decker couch. You know, maybe let us handle it. I don't know that I saw Chris Pratt becoming the most important action star of his generation. But I feel like this is the movie that is largely responsible for that one hundred percent this this broke him out. Now, there's part of me in watching this movie. And in considering how significant the comedy was before where I where I had where I wondered whether or not, you know, there is a whole sort of like media campaign about like the shock of him being cast in this part before the movie came out, at least this is my recollection because he was from parks and rec exactly I couldn't help. But sit there and wonder how much of this was just like totally can you know, like like, they they knew they were going to they're going to have him the movie whether or not he got a six pack, and they just you know, they they he was that important. I mean, he clearly is that important of this film. But this definitely was what launched him, you know, put him on that platform to be able to you know, chase dinosaurs. And and make you know questionable decisions on space stations. Jennifer, Lawrence LL. I'm looking forward to having you back on this show for the passengers month where we'll be devoting a series of podcast to the wonderful film. Passengers what about Dave Bautista? You know, a little bit about him. You know, he is a key figure in the story. Yeah. I think I saw this movie. I'm trying to remember the day after it came out. Because I I I know I saw it opening weekend. But I remember going in and the only thing that I had heard from people was I got a number of text messages that said Batista's, really good. Yes. Ed like they were all shocked. He was certainly you can certainly put him in the he's a revelation category. Batista's how to describe Batista the professional wrestler? He, you know. I mean, I guess I should say plainly. He came out of the WWE. Reversed from Washington D C two hundred ninety. Lest a couple years before this left professional wrestling to pursue acting. And it seemed totally misbegotten because as great as as entertaining as he could have is he was as a wrestler. No one ever mistook him for the rock, you know. And and and the, and I guess the fear was that he mistook himself for for Dwayne Johnson. But he went out to Hollywood. And and then and just I mean became an actor. You know, he he's not he didn't seem particularly interested in being the rock. And and and you know, he'll go on and on. And every every chance he put a tape recorder in front of his face now and say that, you know, any comparisons of the rocker insulting because he's a character actor, but I think I mean, it's kinda true. He could have been cast for his body and his literal body, and and he ended up being in some ways sort of, you know, the only say the heart of the film, but the sort of like the as far as like the sense of Hugh. Goes he's he's he's, you know, he's the straight man. He's really important everything that, you know, all the jokes that get told. I completely agree. It's funny. You can see in the early days of his acting career. So he leaves WWE in twenty ten and his first couple of films are the scorpion king three battle for redemption. The man with the iron fists Riddick. He's he's taking basically, you know, D plus rock roles because that's probably all he could get and I do feel like this movie. Not only reveals his talent as an actor, and as a sort of a physical presence on screen, but it also unlocks his whole career. I mean, it is very similar to Chris Pratt. I think without this script and this performance he's not appearing in movies like Bladerunner twenty forty nine. You know what? I mean, he's not appearing in this summer. He's in two different action comedies. He's he he's not even a character actor anymore. He's like, Bruce Willis or Mel Gibson in a lotta ways, you know, he's going to be December, and my spy, and he he's got this great hybrid of like Schwarzenegger meets Bruce Willis going on. That is pretty unique in American movies and twenty nine. I also agree that like he has a lot of emotional weight in the movie because you know, he's a bisquick character avenging his family's death at the hands of a mad titan and Ronin who I think will maybe we'll talk about a little bit. And he's also really funny as you say, and he he is a person who kind of unites this group in a in a significant way, I'm curious to see where Dave Batista's career goes from from here. Zoe Saldana was the only person in this cast who I thought that makes sense because she had already been a differently colored CGI oriented character in avatar. Yeah. And so it seemed like she was she had the experience necessary to pull off 'camorra. I didn't really know anything about Comoro coming into this movie, though. And she has turned out also to be incredibly significant to the story, incredibly significant. And honestly as someone who wasn't the biggest anos had like I said going into this. I I remember being slightly worried that she had that she was settling for a smaller role than maybe she deserved. You know in the in the MC you. And but you see that over and over again, right? That you're that you're there's so many of these superhero movies getting made that you wonder why anybody takes a small role in any any actor of any significance would take a small role. Because it's like, maybe if I hold out a year, I can get the lead in the next marvel movie, you know, or I can I can be a superhero that that has a chance to return now. Listen, I mean, they they clearly have I'm sure they're making some some, you know, promises to people along the line. I don't think anybody watched this movie and thought that that Karen Gillan character was going to be, you know, a returning hero or anything. And they and and that's panned out in a sort of interesting way. Yeah. I call this. The Sebastian STAN corollary, you know, Sebastian STAN came in and signed on for nine moral movies with the expectation that at some point he was gonna get to do something cool, and it did take about nine of these movies. And now he's getting to do cool stuff. Yes. It's true. There's I mean the whole I mean, we can we can go into the cast. But I mean, every everybody is just I mean, I think it just goes to show the confidence which they made the movie every decision was made. With great confidence and everybody was cast with with confidence. And it was either the confidence of, you know, don't worry. You're the this. This is a starring role, even though you're in green face paint, you know, for for for for some people. And then there's the confidence of like, yeah. I can make Dave Batista into a major movie star. That mean, that's that's confidence of a different sort. But that just shows how you know, how how do they how James Gunn went about making this movie? Did you find yourself thinking? This movie is going to unlock the future of all these stories as you were watching it. I mean, it certainly is we talked a little bit about it. It certainly is more sort of expansive literally and metaphorically and just sort of more. You know, it's it's more generous with its humor. And with it's I mean, it's it's it's it's a sort of just more extra version of all the marvel movies that had come before. And that is definitely the direction that the film. I mean that the films have gone, I don't know how much longer they can stay in space after after this next movie because it is, you know, it's a it's a very specific type of storytelling. But I, you know. Yeah. I mean, I was I didn't I did not realize that that the rest of the marvel cinematic universe is going to be, you know, hopping in jets are being in space. Shuttles to go meet the gardens of galaxy. I was expecting the reverse that they would end up, you know, in in iron man's New York at at some point or something, you know, I I was I was not prepared for for how much this kind of laid the groundwork. We really only experience earth in that opening introductory story about Peter quill as his mother is dying in hospital bed in the kind of gift that she gives to him in the sort of message that she sends to him about his father. And then everything else is intergalactic. I really love the inspirations for this movie. That gun is talked about in that he even literally is in the movie, I think they I think at one point quill actually mentions both raiders of the lost ark end the Maltese falcon, I'm not totally sure. Hope you're quilt saw the Maltese falcon as a young boy on earth. But that's maybe for another podcast. But you know, you've you've got a huge dirty dozen thing going on in this movie. And I tend to think that anytime you put together like a band of rap scallions. That's just gonna work. Similarly, there's a straight up visual. Oh mosh to these rural suspects. You know that series of sequences after the guardians are arrested and brought to the kiln which like the prison. Yeah. And they're sort of interviewed and and identified as as criminals, it's just over usual suspects stuff going on. Would you think of any other movies as you were watching this yet? I mean, there's definitely you know, we mentioned the Indiana Jones stuff. There's definitely some back to the future vibes in the whole in in just, you know, the, Peter, quote, persona just and and and yeah, I mean that that was besides when you mentioned I think that was the big one for me. I mean, there's certainly a lot of this doesn't exist without Star Wars doesn't exist without Star Trek. And actually when one of the kind of incidental notes about the comic book is the the nineties version of the comic book was produced specifically to to to try to siphon off some of the success of Star Trek Star Trek, the next generation the TV show interest. But I mean, and that also shows how much are, you know, pop culture landscape has sort of been sent to refund house mirror that like comic books or trying to get like a trickle down effect from a network television scifi show, but. But, but yeah, I mean that I I would say the movies you mentioned for sure in just the sort of sci-fi, you know, cannon. I like to talk about the macguffin on this show partially because mcgovern's historically, don't actually matter. There's something that the lead characters are in pursuit of that won't alternately have a significant impact on the story, you know, thinks specifically of like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction that never actually comes to bear what's in the briefcase or how powerful it is. Or if you think about, you know, nor movies from the forties and fifties like Mike hammer movies where somebody's carrying an A-Bomb in a briefcase, but you never actually see the bomb. Go off. It's just something that every is in pursuit of this. These movies are different because the mcgovern's are actually meaningful in this movie for the first hour, hour and a half. We think that the orb is the macguffin. When in fact, we meet the collector played in a absolutely absurd cameo by Benicio del Toro as the collector who is in pursuit of the orb because inside exists the power stone. What do you? What do you just generally? I I'm curious for the David shoemaker take on the macguffin ization of of marvel movies. Listen. You can't. I mean, I said this before you can't you can't bog a movie down in in in in this stuff. Right. I mean up might might my my one tried and true superhero movie, take further longest time. And this is before this dates back to way before the MC. You was that you had first of all you had to connect the plot of the movie and the origin story together. Right. I mean, the the villain had to be involved because otherwise you spent the entire movie you can spend an hour with the origin story. And then all the sudden you're like, and now let's explain how the penguin came to be, you know, or whatever it's just it became it's just too much too much Baxter too much information to try to get to where we are Oswald pot. Exactly those. There was no there wasn't a backstory in that movie. That's that's just making stuff up. But but any, but but it's true that that ah Batman backstory, I should say. But but but what these mcgovern's, you know, macguffin like the power or or whatever accomplish is that like they literally they literally meaningless, right? I mean, the fact that it goes on to matter so significantly is brilliant. But if it were called anything even one percent more complicated than that. It would have been too confusing. Right. I mean, it was just it's the point is there's a glowing thing that they have to keep away from the bad guy. It's just a it's just a cosmic hot potato, and they and anything more complicated than that would have totally derailed. The momentum of the film. And I think that just being being aware of that as part of the genius. I agree. And I think also it's a it's a good way of explaining why someone is evil just saying like this thing is very powerful and the person who wants to get his hands on it wants to do. So. Towards evil means is affective storytelling. So, you know, we meet Ronan the accuser who is played by the aforementioned Lee pace, who I guess is a sort of a cre- general a creed leader of some kind and he is he by the way audition. He auditioned for the for the role of Peter Quint. Peter quill are yes. And very thankfully did not get the role because I don't think we pace would have been right for this that goes back some other thing, it's like leap as in their auditioning to be like, you know, the lead leading man, like do you want to be this blue face to the growly guy and easier, the whatever it's like, why would that was sort of the leap pace moment, I way, but he wishes he would have held out for you know, demanders just some some other marvel character with you know, a little bit more face time. But the, but, but yeah, I mean Ronan the accuser just a the another just one of the characters from conflict lower that they, you know, use pretty effectively, I think what I will say this about Lee pace performance. He's he vamps a lot as this CARA. Actor shirt in. But he doesn't but he's not playing it for laughs. No, he's he's not outwardly. You know? He's not he's not he's not being silly. And I think that's again part of what makes it really work because if you have a if this is like an Austin powers villain, then Storrow than Peter quill playing against him doesn't have the same the same kind of humor. Do you think the guardians of the galaxy exists inside of the Austin powers universe? I think that that's a I think that that's an interesting question. We should see if gold number's going to be an endgame. Did. He get a raise and game. Yeah. You're completely right. The Ronan the accuser has played very very straight. And that's true. Maybe only of nebula and every other character has kind of a wink in an odd thing going on even Thanos, you know, has a Smirke Josh Brolin. I'm in charge kind of affectation to the character and Lee paces, you know, he's not this is not pushing daisies Lee pace. This is like a thunderous angry almost like when you would cast, you know, Derek, Jack. Abi or Laurence Olivier in a preposterous movie near the end of their career to to almost like certify that there is something serious going on here. What do you think of of yon do oh Dont'a who is kind of a villain and kind of an ally of Peter quilt played by the wonderful, lunatic, actor, Michael Rooker? I think he's fantastic. I think he's I think that that. I mean, there's talking about references when he first pops up, you definitely get a little bit that a little bit of a max headroom virus. Am sure of people listening this about like one percent are old enough to remember that? But, but but yeah, I mean, he the fact that he like first comes. He is first appearance is just on the sort of like video phone, and he's just like really comically just you know, getting pissed off at at at Peter quill. You know, I think that I think that the he's a total opposite of you know, Lee says Ronin he's he he is he's just ham. You know in the grease running off of it. He's he's he's he's just playing this ups. I mean, he's just he's just so extra in this movie. And I and everything that he's done for them sense. And that's who Michael Rooker is. But I think it was a it's a it's a cool look for that character to he has a much longer complicate street in some of these other ones but hits a yeah. I just I I was I was a big fan of that of that character. I mean, he felt very much like a successful Star Wars supporting cast member like for like from the second trilogy. But one of the people you actually really liked, you know, he he I don't know. I thought it was really good. What did you think? Yeah. No. I agree. There's it's this is not a jar jar banks thing. It's he's interesting because he is elemental to quilt story. He's a person who's largely responsible for rescuing quill from what could have. Imprisonment or death. And he's got he's got a bad ass weapon. You know, that sort of whistle arrow that he uses is is kind of the stuff of great CGI, set pieces. You know, what I mean that that sequence where he breaks it out and kind of simultaneously kills seven or eight crease soldiers in one fell swoop is this like really fun movie stuff. I remember being in the theater when that came out and people to negotiate, you know, and yeah, you want to have stuff like that. And these movies with carriers like this. I know that I'm sure that these conversations took place in they'd be so interesting to listen to you know, to be able to go back in time and listen to but throughout this movie. They did a really good job of having these sort of like really like incredible weapons, you know, like almost like unbeatable weapons, but but deep, but they have, but but they are beatable. I don't I don't really know exactly how to had to say this. But they have you know, these these plasma guns, can you know, Reagan's that can like. That can shoot a Demi God and knock him on his ass s. And gun is was what rocket is holding. But they find so many ways to to, you know, make make the users and the weapons themselves sort of fallible in other in other instances, I couldn't I mean when you go back and watch the scene where they all meet for the first time where Peter quilt has the orb thing and Gomorrah and then separately rocket and and Groot or they're trying to steal it from him. I mean, it's just a it's it's like a physical. It's a foot race, right? And they and there's there's a bunch of like space, you know, like SCI fi weaponry involved in the in the in the in the, you know, hijinks, but at the end of the day, it's like running and tripping and falling and getting tossed in a bag, you know, and there's there's this like incredible just simplicity. And like just tactile simplicity to the way that this universe is constructed that that I think is really helpful in like, you know, making it seem. Recognizable. I can make completely agree. I mean, it's it's an amazing thing to say about a movie that features a giant humanoid tree and a anthropomorphic machine-gun-toting raccoon, the this movie feels tactile and it feels real in some respects. But it is true. And you can see that James Gunn is bringing a little bit of that, you know, that physical handmade kind of creation that he got from trauma that he got from slither that he got from super and is bringing it into this world that is, you know, often overrun with CGI the movie was entirely made it shepherd in studios in England. And a lot of it is on green screen, but you don't know you don't feel that way. You know, like, you know, if you watch a movie like, mortal engines, and you're like, no one ever saw a real landscape while they were making this movie. Yeah. This is not that this feels like when they're in the kiln, it feels like they're in the kiln, you know, when they're in the ship. It feels like they're in a broken down old ship much like the millennium. Falcon, you know. That's the kind of feeling that you want to have a watching this. Total testament to design really it's just the design of that happens a head of time. Yeah. I think that's true. I mean, they made all the I mean, there's there's so many different ways this conversation can go. But but all of the all of the decisions, you know, all of those seemingly obvious simple decisions were made just accidentally or deliberately. I mean, everything just was was done. It just seemed so perfectly talk to me a little bit about rocket raccoon and Groot. I think talked about a lot of characters thus far, you know, my perception of them without much historical knowledge is that these are the characters that unlocked this movie for a wider audience that this is what takes it into nine year olds wanna see this. I know my my dear friend Zack is endlessly fascinated and amused by rocket raccoon and Bradley Cooper's decision to. Use his power of celebrity to voice this raccoon. What do you make of the way that they're they're used here as as two fifths of the guardians of the galaxy? Yeah. I mean, they're great. It's like, it's you you take the, you know, what would normally be I would say one comic relief character and you make it almost half the team. I mean, listen, there's no shortage of comedy in the other quarters of the guardians of the galaxy. You know, one thing I was going to say when we were talking about Batista and Drax that I that I didn't say was that. You know, one of the one of the reasons why he's really important is that there's there is a lot of CGI on the team. And and you know, he the fact that his despite the fact that he's under, you know, pancakes, you know, green makeup the his face, you know, his human face is very important. You know, I mean, and and being able to show some real emotion, but rocketing group are, you know, very very well done. And there's not either an especially in guardians to you get a lot more of the human side. I guess that's the wrong term. But whatever the human side of rocket an end, the younger, the younger group, certainly has a different sort of appeal. But yeah, they do they unlock they unlock a, you know, the kids audience, I think they unlock it, you know, just just a general generally, like a non Sifi non superhero audience too because they're just like, they're just they're they're cute characters. They could be they could be in a Pixar movie, you know, but they're, but they're also foul mouth or at least rocket Spartan. And and you know, they're. Action characters as well. Let's do a little casting. What if we're bought we borrow this category? From our sister show, the rewatch Ables, you mentioned that Lee pace went up for Peter quill. Here's some other people that went up for this role. Joel Edgerton, Jack Huston of boardwalk empire fame, gyms Sturgis, and Eddie red main all tested for the role and did not get it. The other actors who were considered were Zachary Levi who you may know now as Zam Joseph, Gordon, Levitt, Michael Rosenbaum and John Gallagher junior of the newsroom this. I don't think any of those people really would have made sense is interesting. How Zachary Levi would have been really interesting. Yeah. I guess he couldn't hold it off. But yeah, I mean, I think that they and part of that's why I think that you reading that made me think that Chris Pratt was probably given an there is I mean more more so than they let on at the beginning. Maybe not maybe maybe maybe it did seem sort of ridiculous at the time. But I mean, he's just he's just so it's hard to imagine in. It's hard to imagine. Reading any of those people into the role after he's done it. Yeah. I'm I'm very thankful that it was Pratt. As far as Drax, the destroyer goes there were few. What if that are also kind of interesting relative to the DC universe? Isaiah Mustafa was up for the role. You may remember him from the old spice commercials. Brian Patrick Wade who has had a run on the big bang theory. And Jason momoa who is of course, now aquaman who I think you and I last podcast at about him when we spoke about comic book movies for that movie in December. I I'm glad it was the about Teesta. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was that that was definitely the right choice. And and again, it was an unlikely choice. I mean, not that any of those other names were were, you know, givens. You know, there was no this. There was no like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the running or anything. But, but yeah, I mean, they Batista was the right was definitely the right choice in retrospect, you know, one of the thing that we didn't really talk about is the presence of John C Reilly in Clint close who are quite literally two of the greatest actors of their respective. Generations with IRA. We have to talk about them. They're they're very important. So I don't know very much about Nova prime and the Nova initiative and this entire group of fighting force. There's sort of like is an international police in on Zan Dr. Yeah. I mean, I remember Nova the character, ma'am, very hazy on this stuff. There's I mean, there's a character name Novo's comics, I read on and off who I who I guess was like a member of this police force, but he's back on earth through a some something to that effect. The novocur is obviously just sort of has the stock function in these movies is the galactic police force. But as far as we know we're talking about the comedy in the movie in and and all the casting decisions that were made this movie when you when you watch it both in the very first trailer that you saw the way I mean, I it's interesting to go back and watch the first trailers because they have like traditional marvel music until the very end they're sort of like trying to trying to put itself over as like, a SCI fi movie is a sort of serious movie. And then you see the characters, and there's sort of you know, implicitly inherently a little bit funny. But, but it's the existence of John C Reilly that cues the re the the the viewer in on the fact that this is going to be the tongue in cheek movie most analii, and and he serves that purpose in the movie too. Because there's funny moments way in many funny moments before he pops up but to have him show up. An arrest. Peter quill in just be like, hey, I know this guy. This guy's got a codename. And it's just it. It just takes it just takes the piss out of the entire enterprise in in just lovely way. And and and I can't imagine anybody else. I mean of all of the rules in the movie. I I actually think he might be the most irreplaceable. That's really funny. I mean, it's interesting because you're right. But I I also got the impression that John C Riley's. Character was going to be more important when I saw the film, and he's not necessarily elemental to the story. Even though you're right that he unlocked something about the tone of the movie when you see him what book close, you know, if if you're gonna if you're going to spend the Glenn Close dollar is this the character you want to spend it on. I don't know. I mean, I I don't know that there's I mean at this point in the marvel you I mean, they had planned very far out. I don't know if there's another role that she could that would have been more procreate for. I, you know, she definitely brings a little bit of gravitas to the movie John C Reilly as well in a different way that that that the movie wouldn't have otherwise had in. I mean, we do have scenes with just them talking and those scenes are important to the film, you know, and if those were just two character actors who are available to strap on a spacesuit like the would not have been the same. It would not have it wouldn't have felt the same. You're right, but shoemaker picture this Glenn Close is Thanos UN. One hundred percent. Yes, I think one of the most important aspects of this movie is the music I mentioned earlier the red bone moment at the very beginning. Which indicates will kind of move you. We're going to have here. Here's a little bit of information about how James Gunn landed on this. He said when choosing the songs gun revealed that he started the process by reading the billboard charts for all of the top hits of the seventies. Downloading a few hundred songs that were semi familiar ones. You would recognize but might not be able to name off the top of your head, and creating a playlist for all the songs that would fit the film. Totally he added that he would listen to the playlist on his speakers around the house, sometimes you'd be inspired to create a scene around a song and other times he had seen that needed music. He would listen through the playlist visualizing various songs figuring out which would work best. Now. I think at this for the most part is how many filmmakers make their their musical choices. You know, I've talked to a lot of directors on the show they all have Spotify playlist of songs in the back of their head. They wanna use an a movie at some point. I heard James Gunn recently say that the red bone saw that I mentioned is the. On that. He had heard the most of any song in his entire life. Which is an interesting way to set this out, you know, gun as the child of the seventy s as well. And so you can feel a kind of admiration for certain aspects of like I want to say like a pop rock that no longer exists in this country. You know, I think blue Swede's hooked on a feeling it has become like the emblematic song from this movie. Let's hear a little bit of a feeling. And so I think somewhat surprisingly maybe even to Disney this soundtrack of took off a little bit. And these songs became really powerful because of the way that it's told with Peter quill, and his, you know, his walkman in the mix tape that he receives from his mom in the songs that he leans on. What you think of the integration of the music and the story. I mean, again, I think just being in space allows you to just do something that would have seemed corny. I mean, even though the even though this is the opposite of space, right? This is bringing earth and outer space. But yeah, I mean, listen, if you'd said, and if you're it again, if you're sitting at the notes, you know, giving notes the at the table read of the script or something, and you're just like, wait, the main character has a walkman from the planet earth that it has the hits of the seventies on it. And it's like give me a break. You know? That's just come on. But it just works. You know, just it. It adds it. Absolutely. It's it absolutely works in it. It it. You know, the the movie opens, obviously with with Peter quills backstory, or at least, you know, the the the inciting incident in it. But it does. But the, but the music does do a good job of reminding you throughout that, this is not Luke Skywalker Han solo this is a human. You know, we we don't want to spoil too much about how that's not entirely true. But how this is a human being who's just traveling through space fish out of water. I mean, he's even though he's very comfortable in the water. And that sort of you know, really helps you identify with him as your central character. Yeah. I agree. I think the the soundtrack in particular is a good mix to of extremely identifiable songs like the movie ends with Jackson five's. I want you back and baby dancing to that song. But you've also got the raspberries. Go all the way, Elvis Elvin bishop's fooled around and fell in love. You know, these are songs that the minute that you hear them. You know, exactly what they are. But you probably couldn't name the artists. And that's a smart trick. It's a trick. Is smart tricks? So smart that I feel like he's basically pulling specifically from what Richard Linklater didn't decent confused, which you know, there's some crossover here in terms of the songs that are chasing. And also k Billy's super sounds of the seventies from Reservoir Dogs. I would say, you know, Tarantino kind of invented this strategy. Yes. This is this is I don't feel like and I love Tarantino. I don't feel like James Gunn is patting himself on the back when he's pulling the songs. Absolutely, right. I mean, this is these are songs specifically chosen because of their familiarity to elicit a reaction there. They're not the most familiar songs, but they are familiar songs, and they're not he's not, you know, he's not saying he needs to Spotify playlist. He was talking about right? He's not talking about, you know, pulling vinyl from the back of an old warehouse, or whatever, you know, this is this is a, you know, it's it's it's a love letter to a certain era of of American music. And, but it's a it's a narrow that that, you know, many viewers were present for or at least have experienced on oldies radio. No, you're you're absolutely right. And that's the right way to think about it that this is a it's a pop confection in a lot of ways, the movie is meant to reach a lot of people the same way that fooled around and fell in love was meant to reach a lot of people in nineteen seventy seven I I'm kind of generally interested in the idea of whether or not this movie is a deconstruction because as I mentioned this movie the specials that gun wrote over fifteen years ago now and then super and he's also a producer in this movie. That's coming out in may called bright, burn. I'm not sure how familiar you are with that one. That's come. Soon. David, no, not at all. So it's essentially a superhero origin story about a young kid who was imbued with powers, but who who breaks bad who turns evil, and so it's a sort of superhero horror movie, and I haven't seen it looks very good. And it definitely has guns thumbprint on it. But all of those stories are sort of fundamentally disassembling the things we think we know about superheroes and trying to underline. What's interesting about them one movie that we didn't discuss a top? When we were talking about Suber is the that. I was trying to think of is is the specials which he wrote and didn't direct right. But it was a superhero movie with again sort of star studded cast for the scale of the film with Thomas Haden church, and Rob Lowe and Judy Greer Paget Brewster amongst others. Yeah. I mean, he's always been very interested in deconstructing the form. And I think it's sort of interesting that he ended up on guardians of the galaxy. Because it's the least of the form, right? I mean, it's it's it's not a this isn't the vendors or at least it hasn't. It hasn't really evolved into the avengers yet. But he's able to take, you know, the parts of superhero movies that that, you know, a recount books that we that we love, you know, like, you know, seeing seeing that heroes on the on the cover of the comic book about to fight. You know, I mean, that's like a central part of Mike my childhood experience. I can't wait to see wolverine in the whole go at it before they team up for whatever mission. They have at all that stuff. I mean, he he he knows the formula front words in backwards. And so he's able to, you know, play around with it in a way that I don't think every director even in the marvel in even in the MC you is is able to. Yeah. There's this great quote from joss Weeden who. Was still consulting on these movies at this time in the run-up to Altron, and he was asked of L Y James Gunn was the right person to make this movie. And he says James Gunn is what makes me think it will work. He is so off the wall, and so crazy, but so smart such a craftsman any builds from his heart. He loves the raccoon needs the raccoon. He has a very twisted take on it. But it all comes from a real love for the material. It's going to be hard for the human characters to keep up. He needs the raccoon is something maybe consider that for my tombstone. David. I I I am sort of impressed by how seriously he's willing to take this stuff. And as you say he kind of knows the foreign backwards and forwards I I'm just kind of shocked by how how he pulled this off. Yeah. I mean. Yes. I mean, there's there's there's nothing you. I mean, there's there's no, you know, high enough level of praise for I mean, they're for this movie in terms of execution. You know? I mean, you can you can take exception to a lot of to a lot of individual elements of sure if you if. You desperately wanted to. But of all of the marvel movies. I don't remember. I mean, there's none of them that were I walked out of the theater just being as like satisfied in a really positive way. Like there was just there is nothing. There was nothing wrong with this movie. What do you think about guardians becoming like a springboard for the rest of the story at the end of it? You know, what do you think of guardians to what do you think of how they've integrated the characters another wider story. I mean, I I think they've I I like it, you know. I mean, there's there's definitely a with the with, you know, the the most recent avengers movie there's a little bit of that excite me. There's not more than a little bit. There's a lot of excitement to see your favorite characters from literally different universes coming together and teaming up again, that's, you know, a central part of comic book the comp tradition, and that they're kind of like I said earlier going into the the guardians turf to to fight. This battle is intriguing. I I'm always going to be a little bit cautious about you know, how? Are you can take space stories like I said from that from the very beginning of this podcast? That's never been my like Cup of tea in the comic book world. But in the movie world, you know, I I can't get enough of it. And I, and I think that you know, they've given me really no reason to doubt that that. This is a this is a good, you know, direction forward. I mean, listen, everything is everything is science fiction. Right. I mean, all of these all of these superheroes stories are deaf initially like science fiction stories, they're not necessarily space stories. I mean, most of them are not, but the, but the the the the tradition of of science fiction, storytelling is it encompasses all of this stuff. So it's not that. It's not that much of a stretch to to shovel these characters together. Yeah, I agree. And even though I don't think that this movie. I even though it clearly sets the stage for a lot of things that are going to come one of the things that I do like about it is the stinger on this movie. The sort of after credit sequences are largely inconsequential to the. Future of the series. You know, we we see dancing baby group as I said dancing to the Jackson Five song. And then at the very end of the film. We see the collector again, and he is sitting in the destroyed ravages wreckage of his all of his collections and sitting there drinking some sort of neon green. Cocktail is Howard the duck. Who of course, was the star once upon a time of a movie of his own produced by George Lucas, very unsuccessful movie. You know, I tend to forget that Howard the duck is a marvel creation. Yeah. What was your reaction upon seeing that? I mean, it was hilarious. Right. I mean, it was it was very interesting and thought-provoking in terms of the future of the of the MC, you I don't know if they're actively producing any movie Howard, the duck movie, although that was certainly the expectation at the time. Yeah. Feel like the way, you know. I feel like there was a there was a conversation about that. Now, it's gone. I know that we use the I know that we we use the phrase that that's a that's a flex. Maybe too much in that ringer headquarters, but I mean to to to to pull off guardians of the galaxy which going in seemed like a real long shot. And then at the end be so confident in what you've just done that you can just be like an now Howard the duck like that's a real flex. You know, even just even if there's no even if you're never gonna put him in anything else, it, it's it's a I think it just in some ways, it just shows that no matter how ridiculous you think that thing you just experienced was there is further they could go. So, you know, be happy with what you have a little bit. We should also talk a little bit at the end here about the James Gunn controversies and kind of how everything has come full circle last July James Gunn was fired from the guardians of the galaxy series after making two very successful guardians movies. He had been writing and plotting guardians three and a series of old tweets were. For a dredged up very distasteful. Pretty unfunny tweets. I would say but tweets from seven eight nine ten years earlier, you know, the included such controversial topics as pedophilia and rape. Disney took the I would say unusual measure of firing gun from the series after making two films with him for the those tweets, which he apologized for. I can recall the time. I don't I don't remember how you felt about this. But I can certainly recall at the time thinking, well, this is not the right choice. This is not how you handle an issue like this, not not for someone you've employed for you know, coming up on a decade. And then lo and behold a gun was a free agent. He signed on with the DC universe to make a follow up to David Eyres suicide squad movie, and then for some reason earlier this year marvel backtracked and has decided to rehire James Gunn to make guardians three. You know, in retrospect, what do you think about the last nine months of? Public flagellation for James Gunn in the fact that we are basically where we started. Now. It's weird. I mean, it's just weird. I don't I I it's. I mean, I'll make a another wrestling reference that Nobile understand. But it felt like when WW fired Daniel Bryan early on in his career. He like he was part of a bunch of wrestlers ran in and sort of just like attacked everybody at ringside beat up. The announcers and stuff tenure Brian. Unfortunately, choked the ring the ring announcer with his tie and the the active like choking him with a tie in. With was seemed was deemed a bridge too far. And like, the toy companies that advertised on the show just took exception to it. So they had to fire him. But they all knew he was coming back once they fired him. And then he went into he just did a world tour and wrestle around the wrestler around all the Indy promotions. He used to work, and then you just showed back up a few months later and everybody was excited in all of the, you know, all the the complaining advertisers felt like okay. Like we've got our pound of flesh. It's weird in this case that like they let him go so cleanly that he went and made a movie for DC. And then they just welcomed him back with open arms, which and not only was it. Such a you know of may culpas the right word. But there I mean, they it was it was so clear that they knew they had made the wrong decision. But they were they they weren't canny enough to sort of say just like sit back, and we'll get you back on this thing. They functionally delayed, you know, another guardians of the galaxy movie probably for a year, and you know, might have given a huge leg up to the competition. It's the the whole thing is just it's it's it's really just a bizarre turn of events. Yeah. That's what struck me too. I think I'm I'm reluctant to play try to play, you know, intellectual chess with people's IP, but they definitely just gave an opening to DC which was already in the process of figuring out how to make better and more coherent movies out of their properties. And James Gunn as we as you might have learned from listening to an hour of this podcast is really good at making these movies. And even if guardians to I think is a little bit less accessible than the original. It's still a very fun and clever movie that sort of animates what's great about some of the. Emcee you and so him getting a chance to basically, right? The wrongs of the original suicide squad is just a net loss for marvel. And I wonder if that more than some sort of moral reckoning is what made them realize that they should bring him back into the fold also something that I noticed as I was reading about this movie. There's a real love affair between the actors in the movie and gun and came out very strongly for him when he got fired and they really United. They I believe they wrote a Facebook letter of some kind to to Disney to have him back. And there seems to have been a genuine bond forged among them in part. I think because gun either helped launch their careers in a significant way with these characters or gave them something new to do the challenge them and made them a little bit more interesting to the wider world. And that's actually kind of rare. You know, I think a lot of the time when you when you have a comment with movie in a series. It's a little bit of a for hire thing, you know, you're bringing in somebody to kind of execute on a on a continuity strategy and. Is one of the few pieces inside of this MC you that? Actually, even though it links everybody together kind of stands on its own. And that's one of the things I like about it. And I suspect that's one of the reasons why he's back. Yeah. I think that's exactly right. I mean, the one of the best things that's come out of this movie is is the sort of online persona of woke David Teesta. And and he and he was he was more, you know, hourly supportive of James Gunn to that whole process than anybody else. And I'm sure part of that was the gun gave him monopoly in entrusted him and together they found their way through this. You know, really surprisingly important in central character in MC you. But you know, and his terribles those, you know, those jokes were I mean, this is it's obviously a different I it's just a different situation than some of the other ways that people have been, you know, brought down over the past several years, and I don't I mean, we don't need to go into whether or not the the witch hunt. Was in good face or not? But, but yeah, I mean, I think that at the end of the day, it's, you know, at least career wise at least commercially. It's a real validation vindication for James Gunn, because it's, you know, regardless of what happened before it's you know, it's clear that Disney decided that like they didn't want to do movie without him. Yeah. In many ways, I'm glad they did David any final reflections on guardians of the galaxy. We've put a lot of a lot of feeling out there. I know there's a whole lot right? I don't really have anything final say except what I said at the top. Which was it's been a real joy to rewatch it, you know, with some, you know, Ernest concentration, but as excited as all keep it as continuing to be for future movies in see these people in the adventures movies, and all the other things the longer the sort of cereal plays out the better because this is seeing these characters together is great. But that I, but but this movie is just it's fantastic. I mean, it's just a. It's just a gym, you know, and it's just really impressive. How they sort of pulled all those pieces all these disparate parts together and made just like again, I I I don't wanna say unobjectionable because it sounds like it sounds like faint praise. But it's, but I, but I really it's just like if you could if if anybody had come up and told you that they're making a space movie with some complications that nobody really knew of the comic fans weren't even like, these weren't these weren't, you know, part of the the firmament, and, you know, there was a talking raccoon with guns and a tree at a, you know, a couple two different green people that, you know, don't have that aren't actually related, and, you know, a human at the center of the whole thing like literally every member of your family would dig it like that would have been impossible to to wrap your head around. But they they made it work, you know, and it's just it's it's really cool. David would you say that we are group? Now and forever. We are always. Thanks, david. I really appreciate this. Thank you, man.

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"Hey Kelly welcome to the ringer podcast network over the holidays and into the New Year will still be publishing new shows. Keep you up to speed with the NFL playoff freese the NBA and award season. We've published some great episodes in the month of December including to Rewatch ables on Happy Gilmore and the godfather part to Chris. I interviewed watchmen. Show runners Damon Lindelof on the watch and the ringer. NBA Show rank the top twenty five players of the two thousand nineteen twenty twenty season so far lastly a happy holidays from the ringer. David both skip bayless and Stephen. A Smith had very public. Dallas cowboys takes after the cowboys lost to the Eagles on Sunday. What I want to know is what other possibly passively non-sports media personality? Would you like to see have a public football. Take Oh my gosh. I would love to see Chuck Todd. Doing a victory dance over the background of get up in the morning coming in with a cowboy hat doing kind of Strut in. Oh Gosh mm-hmm Eagles one again. Why do reminds go directly to anybody on network news? Why is that funnier like well? I mean I think the setting if you I mean. We both both watch a lot of network cable news bunch of ESPN and Fox sports. Or whatever and I think that the sets are so similar but the presentation at at least between like you know. Pardon the interruption between a Stephen a Smith and Chuck Todd or could not be more different that the juxtaposition sort of funny but but yeah I mean it would be occasionally they do try to drop it in right Joe and somebody will just be well not infrequently on Morning Joe. They'll come. I'm on with like like kind of elusive comments about the about the Yankees or something. Whoever whatever whatever team Mike Barnacles Red Sox are way whatever the hell it is and that just seems just like really just kind of Achey? I don't even you know it's like I don't need. I don't need my my those two things mixed but It has to be somebody who's almost not on twitter twitter because if they were on twitter we already know their sports stakes no matter what the covered for a living. I'd also like to nominate Steve Kroft. Did he retire already. Be a good. I vinke transition to a different role as everybody does eventually judy. Woodruff would be kind of an interesting version of very public sports. Take the debate. Yeah just they should turn the debates into forums for just like just you know sports grave dancing. That'd be hilarious. We're the shit talking Wolf Blitzer of media podcast. This is the press box or the ringer. PODCAST network fantastic. Hello media consumers. You've got Bryan. Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer. Today we're GONNA dive pause. I into the terrible terrible reviews for the movie cats. We'll talk about the end of the southeastern conference offers on. CBS was about the winner. Vacations of the world's last Living Glossy magazine editors all that plus the overwork twitter joke of the week but David but let us begin with the aftermath of last week's democratic debate which got almost lost by the story of an aging politician rising from the political abyss. I'm not talking about Donald. Trump talking about emperor palpitation in any case. The debate turned into Pete Buddha. Judge one of the front runners in Iowa verses Everybody maybe surprisingly surprisingly everybody included Amy Klobuchar listened to her defend her senatorial experience against Buddha judges relative youth when we were in the last debate. Mayor you basically mocked The Hundred Years of experience on the stage. And what do I see on this date H. I. C. Elizabeth Warren Starting the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and helping twenty nine million people. I see vice presidents work in getting two billion Leeann dollars for his cancer moonshot icy Senator Sanders Work of working to get the veterans bill passed across the aisle. And I see what I've done are which is to negotiate three farm bills and be someone that actually had major provisions put in those bills so what you can dismiss committee hearings. I think this experience agreeance works and I have not denigrated your experiences. A local official. I have been one respect our experience. When you look at how you evaluate you may be a mid west centrist but dammit I'm a midwest centers with credentials? Oh Man I mean it started off sounding like Like she was making a play for the vice presidency. You know a lot a lot of compliments to go around but all my opponents but it but it was interesting because I think what stood out in the big picture when he's had some chance to reflect reflect and at the big picture standouts from the debate. Were you know. Buddha judge taking fire and responding pretty well And and weirdly it was. I mean Amy Amy Club charts performance and a lot of that was based on The fact that she didn't need to or didn't decide to go on the attack in the same way that some of the others did. I mean maybe it's sure disposition Maybe it was just the the word choice but it did seem like in being conciliatory and being a little bit more. It seemed like in this debate because because the tensions were raised her sort of. I didn't come here to have a little. Have a silly argument. Mo played a lot better. Well she went after her just about the most elemental political issue. You could go after right. She was like you don't have any experience doing miss. And you are doing this trick where you because we sat there and took all these tough votes and we've been a part of they dysfunctional Congress like you're saying Oh these people are we don't want more part of Washington like these people we want me. WHO's fresh and new and different and that's like the oldest political trick in the book? That's what Obama did. That's what trump did and I've always found that the Buddha judge attack so funny because it's like the reason the government is a mess and Congress has been a mess is not because of Amy Klobuchar not because of Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders. It's because of Mitch. McConnell title and the Republicans and other people too. But this idea that you're blaming experience and she's trying to kind of reclaim experience right like wait. You say you have done anything And turn that argument had said I agree with what you said about Buddha. Judge being very good on his feet during this debate he's he's become a much better debater. I think let's let their exchange play in. We'll hear his side of that. Argument actually did denigrate. My Experience Senator and it was before the break and I was going to let it go because we got bigger fish to fry here but you implied bigger fish than picking up president of the United States before the break. You seem to imply that our relationship to the first amendment was a talking as if anyone anyone up here has any more or less commitment to the constitution than anybody else up here. Let me tell you about my relationship to the first amendment. It is part of the constitution that I raised my right hand and swore to defend with my life that is my experience and it may not be the same as yours but it counts. Senator Senator counts. Thank you Mr Mam Center. Forty five seconds from size certainly respect your military experience. That's not what this is about. This is about choosing a precedent. And I know my view of this is I know you ran for two chair of the Democratic National Committee. That's not something that I wanted to do. I want to be president. One of the United States and the point is we should have someone heading up this ticket that is actually one and been able to show that they can gather the support that you talk. Talk about of moderate Republicans and independent as well as a fired-up democratic base and not just done at once. I have done it three times. I I think winning matters I think track record of getting things done matters and I also think showing our party that we can actually bring people with us have a wider under tent have a bigger coalition and yes longer coat tails that matters. Thank you senator. I love that rhetorical take. She used early in that. We don't have a bigger fish to fry than running for president of the United States. I must are wielding that on this podcast David. We don't have bigger fish to fry than the freedom of the press and protecting journalists from arm to see how you will see what you make of that Any thoughts on that exchange. I mean I I mean I think that she was again because I because she's not. I mean other people particularly when Elizabeth Warren Senator Warren went after Buddha judge. It seemed a little bit. I don't know I mean I. It seemed a lot more forest and I think club which I was able to do it because because it something a better disposition but also because she may because she's you know she's fighting from underneath Further underneath I guess in terms of the Iowa polls but way far in in in terms of national bulls say every apple every poll yeah but And and you know she she gets to be. She gets to play moral oral conscience because she's You know not seen as a as quite as viable as some of the other people on stage. Who Do it's really easy to see them? As just sort of getting into spats over you know just trying to court a few votes on the margins or whatever But but I thought that they both I mean I thought of all of Buddha judges of all the fire he took that was certainly the most effective that his response was definitely seemed more sort of calculated in and Yeah calculated there than than than another spots and a bit closer you know came off really we really well one thing. That's really striking to me. I may have said this before is how much better clover Sharbudi judge have gotten at running for president during the campaign I think Elizabeth Warren stepped into this campaign as a really really good debater Bernie. Sanders stepped in with an enormous amount of skill. Partly based on the fact that he'd done it before in two thousand sixteen Buddha judge enclosure. You can see how much better they've gotten at navigating. The debate Buddha judge in the early debates was like everything he said was really good but he wasn't good at punching and counterpunching. He's gotten much better at that. Klobuchar same thing include didn't really register as much early on last couple of debates. She's gotten really good at sorta digging in and which you have to do especially with a bunch of candidates. There's a pay attention to what I'm saying. Don't let me get lost in here. Pay attention to me the other big rhetorical flourish. From this debate. It may be paying too much. Credence was a wine cave gate. In which a California wine cave became a stand hand in for different approaches to campaign fundraising the target once again was beat Buddha judge. Here's Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth. Warren going in the mayor just recently had a fundraiser. That was held in a wine cave soul of crystals and served nine nine hundred dollar a bottle wine. This is the problem with issuing purity tests. You cannot yourself pass. Have you ever been in a wine. Cave Salute Crystals Zero Blur. But I was there for the twentieth the very lows. I thought that I mean I think that that attack was real. I mean I think the political term is weak week sauce and I I don't I think that the only the only upside for for for that line of argument was sort of as a kamikaze mission. That like no matter. What no matter how? It's GonNa Reflect on the Warren campaign right now that that that wine cave is going to be a phrase sticks with Buddha the judge You know it's GonNa still be there a month from now or two months from now But I'm not sure that it was effective and I'm not I mean at this point recording according voters who are who are particularly you know aware and dedicated and as much as there might be some who who agree with getting money out of politics six. I don't think there's that many who would who would fault the candidate of their choice for doing what it took to get elected right. I mean the defense which Buddha judge I don't think mounted which you know is and maybe maybe it's just admitting thing too many but the but the real common sense defense is like listen. You guys is trust me and trust my personal conscience. I'm not going to do. I need money to run for president. But I'm not GONNA do anything that violates that and I don't. I'm not sure that that especially coming from Warren. Is You know the the right. At least it was particularly helpful for her campaign. She's China take his image image his mantle. Whatever you WANNA call it as a squeaky clean mid-west relatively small city populist and and smear it up wine cave wine cave this guy not a man of the people? It's Wine K. He's Wine Cave Guy. I go I know exactly what she's trying to do. Because this is the conversation station that we've been having that Pete. Buddha judge for two months I feel like every time something new comes out about him. It's just like wait. What the like this is so separate from the story that the media was has been telling us for so long long but I the wine cave thing seems like so insignificant compared to I mean and maybe there's no way to set up on the stage in a way that's really coherent in short and brief but like man you like were? Harvard remains with Colin with Colin. Jost you worked for a major political consultancy in DC that you're not allowed to disclose your clients. Were you know you. You are buddy buddy with like high level facebook employees like this like those are the things that I think that that mean much more to me than unlike where he held a fundraiser. You know I mean the the the the wine cave thing. We're the worst. The worst case scenario for me is that his campaign staff wasn't smart enough. Do not have an event at a fucking wine cave but but like I don't think that reflects poorly on his on. I think there's a lot of things that reflect more early on his character than than that. It's really what they're having right as an argument about campaign finance right and wine cave is the catchy way to stand in for a debate that most people would find really boring warrant does not do closed door fundraisers. I do not sell access to my time. She said during this debate debate and she has made that a plank of her. Get money out of politics approach to this race. Buddha judge argues Democrats can't beat Donald troub- by forswearing the kind of fundraising that trump himself will do and Buddha judge further points out. That worn didn't always observe. Serve the rule. She's now observing for instance. She's transferred ten million dollars plus Moore two thousand eighteen Senate account into her presidential coffers. And he's like wait a second that that money was raised like this. And why are you now coming back on me. US thought when we talk about Buddha judges ability the debate listen to how carefully and gracefully heat turns. Warren saying you're palling around with billionaires in wine caves to her own wealth this this is quite the trick. Let's let it run editor. Your net worth is one hundred times mine now. Supposing the you went home feeling the holiday spirit. I know. This isn't likely but stay with me and decided to go on and Pete for America dotcom and give the maximum allowable by law two thousand eight hundred dollars with that pollute my campaign because it came from a wealthy person. No I would be glad to have that support. We need the support from everybody. Who is committed committed to help us defeat? I like whatever I like what everybody brings all the all the clubs and the golf bag to the debate you WanNa you WanNa accuse me of big dollar fundraising l.. Let's look at your net worth senator. Can we also do some kind of comic backfill on the wine cave while we're here. He's it is called hall wines. Its it's owner. Is Craig Hall. Who is a big democratic donor? And whose wife was Bill Clinton's ambassador to Austria so wine cave may be this kind of weird pejorative but these are the kind of people were talking about here. Got An embedded. Donate it to the president got an Ambassadorship Craig Hall Tells The New York Times. I'm just a pawn here. They're making me out to be something that's not true and they picked the wrong pond. It's just not fair In that New York Times Story Carol Pogo and Nicholas Bogle boroughs right very dryly. I mean a a dry. A dry wine of of a sentence ear wine wine is stored in caves around the world and Mr Hall noted that the Romans followed the practice. Oh Man Yeah Yeah. I'm glad that we know of that. Now we can wine cave. There was also Washington Post opinion piece by getting bill. Bill Wurley who was at the wine cave and push back on the idea that nine hundred dollar bottles of wine were served there. He said it was a more modest. Like hundred some one hundred eighty five dollar bottle of wine as an amazing correction appended to his column earlier version of this column neglected to include the the value of the writers. Home when he wrote he was not a millionaire. This version has been updated. Just I. We're just bathing in in levels of of wealth Conjuring here also the inevitable story. United I predict this. David Turns Out Elizabeth Warren when she was running for Senate running for reelection in two thousand eighteen had a fundraiser a Boston winery the AP reports reports there were treated to songs guests. That is treated as songs by Grammy Winning Artist Melissa Ethridge Dot dot dot for the top donors who could contribute fifty four hundred dollars per couple twenty seven hundred superperson there was a vip reception and premium seating. So there you are in other news. Buddha judge accepted accepted. Kevin Costner's endorsement this week Oh Man I was just thinking about Kevin Costner. And you're probably watching a re watchable Zapper. Listening to re watchable. You're not too far off Budejovice got endorsements from a whole lot of I'm kind of members of the political establishment including a lot of people who worked in the Obama administration sort of a direct Attack to the Biden campaign pain. I think I mean that's certainly the way that any anybody should presume to read it and I think it's interesting I mean that's interesting in the sense that he's I mean I don't know if it's a deliberate campaign signal or or that's what the campaign is really interested in doing but they're sort of moving on past the squall was the debate and taking they're taking on the. You know the big squabble that lies ahead of them and that's one on one with With Biden I think that the debate in we can get back to that but right but I do it. I'd say that the debate one of the things that stood out to me with the with the Buddha Judge Warren Exchange was that you know we kind of talked about. And I think the presumption assumption The zoomed out presumption had been that. This was a sort of that like the ideological lanes are what was GONNA matter right that it was going to be. It was going to be war in verses Sanders and Buddha judge versus and obviously there were other people that were mixed in along at various points in time. But what you know what we saw on the debate was was that it's still oh sort of old guard versus New Guard right. I mean the Buddha judge in war and we're fighting for the sort of new new I mean the fresh face and the ticket even the ones been around for a long time I mean for relatively compared compared to Buddha judge a long time and we end Sanders and Biden her just sort of entrenched you know and and and I guess that just goes to say I mean all that adds up to Iowa being really meaningful for Buddha Judge in Warren in a way that maybe it's not for you know by Biden Sanders. There are fascinating gradations. Here aren't there. You're the Bernie for however sweeping his ideas it. Our is somehow a quote old face in this just because he ran for president for years ago. and Warren head didn't decided not to run against Hillary Clinton. So she's the new face in this sort of it's it's it's difficult. Obviously Biden has a huge boost from being a vice president. That's its own thing but running for president a second time sanders is doing is a really. I mean I think in the modern era is a very very difficult thing to do. A Sanders also has a mitigating factors. That you know a lot of his voters perceived that he probably one or he should have won for years ago but But yeah I mean it's it's normally I would think it'd be easier to be someone running for the first time but that's not what we're saying necessarily right now. David had signed for the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. There was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Please send your nominees to at the press box. pod where they're always gratefully received Need a ruling on this if someone tweeted something in two thousand seventeen and a different twitter user joked about it last tweak. Does that still count as the overwork. Twitter joke yeah absolutely okay so this tweet is from may twenty seventeen from a Canadian. TV Station and quoting here. Forty three million dollars in cash found an empty Nigerian apartment. Forty three million in cash found on an empty Nigerian department. It was over twitter joke to write about the owner tried for years to share it but nobody would reply to his emails. Thanks to cheesehead. Sports nut newly impeached person. Donald Trump David tweeted that county by county map of the twenty sixteen election on. I'm talking about the one that makes America look incredibly red. Yes and wrote the message impeach this like if you come for me to come for all my voters. It was an overweight or twitter joke to write done. Thanks to the mysterious Dr Z.. Mark Hamill made that joke on twitter tweet about the movie Movin Cats David which will talk about more in just a second. Oh my gosh. The tweet reads quote. I reactions to cats. Call it quote way to Horny and quote bewildering. It was an over word. Twitter job to write did my tinder bio right this thanks to Royal Rarick the US Department of Agriculture has a little gizmo on its website. David allowing you to see which countries are free trade partners of the United States one of the countries listed. was what Kanda. This is not a joke. The fictional home of Black Panther. I good made it onto the. US Department of Agriculture was no twitter joke to write. Were two weeks away from vibration. eum Tariffs Kirk a veto and finally a really really ill-advised New York Post headline like more ill advised than the normal New York Post headline no man. It read flirting with Co Workers Helps Reduce deuce stress study says flirting with Co Workers Helps Reduce Stress was an overworked twitter. Job To tweet a Gif of Admiral Akbar saying it's a trap. Thanks to be trained. If you're the first person to link Admiral Akbar with the metoo movement. Congrats made the overworked twitter joke of the week. Or whatever the Notebook Dump WanNa talk to you about reviews for the movie cats that same instinct that once led us to search Roger Ebert Archive so we could just read his zero star in one half star reviews Made me want to peruse the reviews for cats which is at eighteen percent on rotten tomatoes Man I don't know what your experience is with cats. The musical is but when I was in middle school I went to New York City with my mom is my first time. There is my first time anywhere like there we. We went to see cats at the Winter Garden theatre where headed run for years and it was the best thing I have ever seen in my life really. I mean that with no irony Ernie I loved it. I was transported to use the Cliche in the lobby on the way out. I bought the cast album on cassette and for the next twelve months back in Texas. I listened nothing but cats for instance this saw if you offer me pheasant. I'd rather have grouse with. Dan Rather have sent me on Mousa in Iraq rather a mouse. They need to shout doing anything. Bobby Ah Howdy now you might ask. What the hell was that? I don't know if the rum Tom Tug are doing what he do do cats. Oh my God and reading some of these reviews you found the writer sort of grappling with the idea that the cats is based on t s Eliot source material The actual Andrew Lloyd Webber musical is really just about cats right. That's what it's about this. I saw this great quote. tweeted from Broadway producer Harold Prince when Lloyd Webber. I played the score of cats for Prince. He said quote I looked at him. Curiously and said Andrew I I don't understand is is about English. Politics are those cats Queen Victoria Gladstone and disraeli. He looked at me. Like I lost my mind and after the longest pause I said how this is just about cats. That's it about dancing. Cats David Letterman used to say Couple of choice quotes to that affects. Scott Tobias are Powell and. NPR writes. It did not seem likely that a plot. Let's this review in which cats either introduce themselves or introduce other cats would ignite public interest or the Grizz Avila's ascendance to the heavy site. Layer would last longer than the acid trip that summited to life Colori slowly in the Independent. There are break-dancing felines that which when rendered in CGI seemed to lose the stiffness in their joints and turn into undulating tubes of cat meat to my experience that is correct Nollet L. AT Argus in New York Times Taylor swift as Bombo arena by. Every name of a cat is absolutely ridiculous in this yes Bombo Lou. RENA China executes a joyless burlesque Shimmy after sending on a on the scene a strike crescent moon that ejaculates iridescent catnip. I'm I'm reading that sentence verbatim. Oh man so some of this right is just. Is people coming to grips with the idea that oh my gosh. This thing I've sort of heard of or maybe even saw as a kid it. It is really fucking weird. I mean it is just like the Eddie. Kind of can't ignore its weirdness when it's put forth in the CGI Laden movie right it took CGI for us to realize how weird it was Yes I I mean. I don't know I would love to do a deep dive and actually talked about It was it was kind of mystified by cats and the cultural phenomenon that it was right up until they announced this movie and then I was just sort of like okay. Someone will put out a long form. PODCAST that'll explain it to me I don't believe that exists but maybe I it's it's just it's inexplicable very few things are so inexplicable You know if ah cats mania had swept the nation today. I'm sure there'd be the cats movie would be received differently and we'd be talking about the cats expanded universe and everything else But it is all the reviews have just been such a joy an awkward uncomfortable comfortable joy to read They're sort of like like. We all knew this was going to be nuts when we started seeing that we went to first trailers came came out. It was clear that this was nuts But you know I we talk about the lack of a monoculture. Many critics many critics cry cry or complain about the lack of a monoculture But criticism often sometimes creates. Its own monoculture. And that's when a movie like cats come out and everybody joins wins around the campfire to dunk on it. As as as creatively as possible. It's just I mean what for the on the movie I mean what. A what a misfire. We haven't even even talk about the fact that the job. I wasn't finished when they put it in when the when it came out. And they had to like resupply footage without Out Real human hands on the cats. Do Dante dench. Who Plays Old Deuteronomy is wearing her wedding ring? In to China. The wedding ring would have been. Forget while Mrs Forgivable if the suit if there wasn't like a giant like wrist whole hand hole of the suit that was exposed to like you you can just see like it was just a costume. You know I mean this is so crazy But yeah it was a that was just bonkers and the movie. I mean the office of decision making there but I think what really matters is our cultural response to it and How much fun everyone has had? Ah just indulging in its weirdness so to your point when we first saw that was it was a trailer right that I made everybody loser. She had about about cats. I kinda thought oh no. This is going to be one of those movies. That's unfairly maligned. Because the trailer looks kind of bad and people don't understand it and it's cheap twitter gag. And what if the movie's actually good. Because I could imagine not terrible version of this movie I I think and it turns out that the movie was actually terrible. So it's Kinda like one of the things that we talked about Twitter you know pander gender culture and and all that stuff is exactly right but this is where we're twitter turned out to be right totally right it. stunk apparently haven't seen to your point. The other weird thing is the fact that they made this elaborate. So if you watch the movie. They're wearing a rescues me watching musical. They're wearing these very cheapo seventies seventies disco looking suits. They are recognizably cats but they look like people. They made a decision. That movie to Really C G I it up up which Tobias calls it the Uncanny valley which is a phrase. I really wish I thought of also Made a decision Asian for the cats. All have the Barbie Doll crotch. You know the kind of smoothness. I love this from Justin Chang the La Times to round out this nightmarish anatomy lesson lesson. Hooper Tom Hooper. That's the director of Andrex is actor to S- play their legs and bare their flat undifferentiated crotches for the camera. None more frequently pinches old new Dirani herself. Nothing you see in the reviews as people like Stephanie. Za Cherokee time asking it. Is this one of those movies that so bad that it's also amazing like you must you M- it visit push under the bad zone of. You must see cats like Yuli one of you when people ask were you there you wanna be able to raise your hand. There is a time there is a time where we we would complain. The people were making these sorts of decisions about well in a more earnest way. It's right right. The new Tarantino comes out and immediately we rank the Tarantino Oeuvre. You know and it's like well maybe we should let once upon a time sink into the public consciousness a little bit before you make the decision. We're past that. They're going to be ranked moment. They come out now we're basically talking about ranking ranking. This is like like you know the room or I mean this is like ranking like like so bad it's good ironic movies And and putting it into the Pantheon of just like Nutso get high in college and watch this movies Yeah I mean maybe it's their it very well could be it certainly has some some sing-along potential. Yeah I said don't wonder you know so so bad you have to see it. I wonder how that much how that just plays plays in the streaming era. We are like actually. I don't have to see it because I can. Just wait and see it in my you no in my room at some point. Yeah I mean that that is true But but I don't think but as far as like becoming a legendary so bad is good movie. I mean it doesn't matter if you see it in your room. That's exactly the kind of movie I think people will toss on when they're like vacuuming and then get wrapped up into if it indeed his enrapture a rapturous in that way I think it'd be a lot of people watching cats on airplanes. I'm just GonNa make that prediction. Please please don't show me the the neutered crotches when you're if you're sitting next to me Finally David in Cats Review News. There was sort of this battle for everybody to get off the incredibly audibly memorable line which often happens when you have a terrible movie like this. You WanNa have the couple that I wrote down. Hana woodhead who writes her website. Called little white lies writes at a cat of hers once. They're real cat overs. Wants directed his explosive diarrhea. All over the bottom shelf of my bookcase naively evely. I assume this was the most abhorrent cat related incident. I would ever bear witness to I suppose in some twisted way. I should be impressed Tom. Hooper has managed to best this dot dot dot I liked Alison Willmore. New York magazine. director Tom. Hooper devoted his two thousand twelve take on Les Miz to the proposition. That movie musicals or best experience through hand held camera work. You've ula friendly close ups and live singing for greater realism or something. He repeats his approach and cats property designed designed to repel realism with every fiber of its being with the added complication of dance numbers and finally Adam Graham the Detroit News for simplicity. I think he may win. He says it's battlefield earth with whiskers so anyway congrats to American even the world's critics on their terrible cats reviews big news David from the world of sports meteorites. John Our end over at Sports Business Journal broke this He says it starting in twenty twenty four. CBS will no longer show football games in the southeastern conference the SEC on CBS had been a mainstay of that network since the nineties he reports the. CBS will walk away from the when the contract ends all indications are the package removed. ESPN ABC. CBS decided to exit the negotiations for the most watched TV package and college football effort making aggressive bid in the neighborhood of third three hundred million per season a massive increase from the fifty five million. It pays annually I wanted to talk to you about this because. CBS has had the SEC. Since nineteen ninety six it made that deal in the ruins of losing the. NFL writes back in the A day. And what is it about the way a network attaching itself to a particular sports package that we like because I still feel the static for the NBA on NBC. Yeah even on. ESPN stick. Yeah even if ESPN's coverage is as good or better her unsure. What is what is it about the way that kind of branding wraparound brand name worms? Its way into our heart That's a really really good question Th I think in the I mean you know with the at the risk of getting too much into sports territory so much of the way watch sports now is based around around the style. Juror right I mean the washing football on Thanksgiving with their families or like you know watching you know watching the at the exact same time on Saturday or Sunday Day or whatever else And and you know the the announcement we talk a lot about announcers on this show. I mean the some of the great announcers of you know the modern age. The greatest skill is a vocalist sort of nostalgia and that's also not incidentally wise. Somebody answers stick around for decades and decades beyond when you thought they might retire So I do I do think that sort of like the NBN NBC the SEC on CBS. I do think that there's a certain Nostalgia that's built into that. I also I think that it's a you know it's there's a comfort to it and it's not that there's not the sort of fear I mean you know the football more than anything else as there's there's the there's the kind of niggling fear that it's GonNa disappear some day you know and so every change has to be read through some MHM Lind's even though it's at this case it's the opposite directions making billions more dollars millions of dollars But I don't know I don't know we definitely are stuck with it and it's definitely going to be. I mean maybe the fear is that going to. ESPN is signals a sort of sell out for the SEC. Certainly taking a neck that volume of money It puts him in an entirely different place than they were. You know this year seasons before. Yeah well they certainly it was incredibly underpriced at fifty five million dollars. I I mean that was just an amazing bargain but yeah I agree it's it's the nostalgia it's the way even the network theme music worms. Its way into our heads and hearts. You mentioned John Tash that have of that. CBS MUSIC DO Becomes part of it I think also with the CBS sec thing that always felt like a local. Or regional telecast that was being beamed to the world because it was so involved in southern US and the SEC. Obviously being so good during this period period Alabama being so good the SEC chant. It just felt. Didn't you're watching you're watching very regional wrestling broadcast or something. Something like this world is a part of America but it has its own traditions. It has its own way of thinking it has its own incredibly credibly overweening pride and you know and whatever you WanNa say about the way it feels about that. Football is played better there. I don't know Oh. There's a certain kind of eavesdropping element to it to those telecasts. I think too. Yeah I I can totally see that I think I fear. Sec Si si fan you talked to se chance. I know you wrote about that a while some time ago. but as SEC fan. There's a comfort in that hat and the knowing the in the feeling that you know that you're part of this and that and that they understand you you've been together for a long time It is interesting to me the amount of money money and every time you see somebody walk away from sports rights package. We all think of we all think of with the various NFL movements over the years. I mean is this going to be a situation where the. CBS comes back. You know on crawling on his knees to beg for one. SEC game a year at some point or are they are they gonNA find another another conference to sort of to try to champion and build up to that level. It's it's it's always interesting the way these things sort of worked together. Yeah and I think you know the immediate thing is the S. CBS trying to renew its NFL l.. Deal and now that you're not going to be paying three hundred million dollars a year the SEC. You're probably like oh there's something we really really can't lose if we get ever lose it before as our. NFL Game on Sunday David. Let's talk about the extravagant winter vacations of journalists because a guy named Benjamin Tassie brought the world's attention to the vogue. UK Roundup this. I had to make sure this was real. It's called how the vogue editors are spending Christmas this this year let me read to you. A few selections About how the vogue staff intends to spend the holiday Sarah Harris deputy editor editor and fashion features director rights. I will be heading to the Cayman Islands. To stay at the newly open Palm Heights hotel. hyperlinked to the hotel's is website for Christmas and New Year. I'll pack a bikini for every day since they'd take up almost no room in a suitcase. My go-to is always heiress an an oversized cotton shirt as a beach cover up sandals by the row and other hyperlink that work by day and night I never take heels for a holiday. Okay Ellie pither fashion features editor and senior associate digital editor. I'll be in the French Alps for New Year's a dose of icy Z.. Alpine air always seems to sort me out after the excesses of Christmas. She's going to a resort that she says only accessible via ski lift. Because it promises superlative stargazing and fresh powder before breakfast and finally Livia Singer executive fashion news editor. Where will I be for the holidays to counterbalance the abundance of December I am taking an ascetic approach and heading to Lonzo huff? which is either Germany or Austria? Couldn't quite tell to embark on a seven day detox program. It's the Best I've found and I've done my research I got a couple of reactions here. This is obviously gotten cloud on twitter. Repeatedly yeah couple things one is. Is it amazing to you. How the vogue staff rights like the front of the book? Yes like nope. If I asked you like tell me where you're going on your vacation you would probably tell me that in your normal David. I'm going to New Jersey voice right up. I'M GONNA go to families that around the tree. You wouldn't tell me that in a stilted here some kind side of vaguely uncomfortable plugging language. No I presumably would not I always trust hurts or my car. Rentals this this time of year and I'll be taking my sensible wagon up the up the highway down the B. Q. E. and heading toward Jersey. So there's that that part of it does just the unbelievable extravagance like everybody I guess I guess glossy magazines are dead because everybody here is is absolutely living their best life. I don't remember climbing the rungs of journalism. And just going around the odds like where. Are you going ever go to the French Alps. Well I mean the flip side. What is this guy? I mean it's A. Is that the only people who can afford to work at. Maybe it's possible that the only people that can afford to work at these magazines people that already have money coming in. So I think the vacationers that I've worked with for certainly in that category right so it is. It is a telling of the state of journalism that way but I I mean I'll go ahead. Well I was. I'm just GonNa say I see this getting made fun of a lot on twitter because oh my gosh this is not this sounds so impossibly fabulous and given the state of journalism. Everything aren't these. These people. Don't the readers of Vogue. UK or vogue anywhere. Isn't this the dream they want. Don't they want the people who published the magazine telling in them that they're going for the perfect spot treatment They had that they're going for the the the place where you can only reach by Ski. Lift the powder is before breakfast is amazing where Jamaica another editor rights. It's fun fresh and full flavor. That's a dream. And if they said you know I'm going to Manchester and renting a you know cheapo cheap motel. That wouldn't work. That's not what that's not what those people you want. So I think in a way. If you're saying well this seems overly fabulous and an an impossible impossible to deal with. Yes so is vogue ugh. Yeah you want you. If you read the magazine you're GonNa find. It is also the same way. I agree with you on that front. I do think I think that the the ridiculousness of the premise has in some ways overshadowed the fact that this is not like. I'm not accusing when I say this. It's clearly spa swan. Khan I mean. They're hyper links. Sir Not free but I want to challenge US challenge listeners. And and maybe you in a slightly different way got as much as I wanna a clown. The editors of of Vogue UK as much as the next the next person. What if we look at this as just like a creative gate of writing contest know what if what if what if they said you know we have to fit we? Have we have like twelve hyperlink ads that we've promised just our advertisers before the year is out we have to find a way to put them online within the span of two thousand words. Everybody write your best. Two hundred fifty word word vacation idea. That's totally farcical. And See. How many of these hyper links you can fit in and by the way? See if you can make people online believe it's real. Oh Yeah Oh yeah the true test of fiction right I think you might be onto something. And they've actually executed this at incredibly high level. I agree and I I mean I for for my my. It's I don't know who won. I think Ellie pitchers did a great job of putting the most words words. I don't understand into you. Know one very small paragraph that I presume are real. I don't know I mean this is all all all of the all of the work in this tweet is if it's if it's if it's fiction it's incredibly high level and I look forward to reading the full novel that they undoubtedly have earned learned with this With this short stories emission Tyler Canon of the Ohio Capital Journal Aka not vogue. UK tweets this local newspaper for staffer. Colon I'm working only three quarters of a day on the twenty fourth which is nice that I'm driving a few hours home for Christmas. Then heading right back that night to get in for an assignment. The morning of the twenty sex the other half lives and by the way. David's go to New Jersey. And I'm going Albuquerque so I'm GonNa Detox by ordering the Christmas Smith's you know half red half green chilly on my carnival. Yeah how about that. Yeah I'M GONNA spend actually spending Christmas Eve in New Jersey. And then Christmas Day in the resort town of Tully town Pennsylvania telephone where all your dreams come true can only be reached by ski-lift fun fact our time. David Shoemaker guesses a strain pun headline. Ea Friday's headline about a wistful love letter to star. Wars was looking looking for love in all Doron places as usual. Our readers were funnier than we were Sam. Doom and Garin both thought the headline. Should've I've been flowers for ALDA. Run Flowers for older on that is that is fantastic. JRR's suggests I'll Doron pretty forces you get extra points if you combine Cormac McCarthy and the rise of skywalker. WELL-DONE JR This way strain upon headline comes from the twitter account of AP auditees where the much respected Associated Press. lets its hair down and smokes a joint. All right Comes from Chris Olsen David. It's a Christmas story. As the AP reports a family in Georgia brought home a real Christmas Christmas tree from Home Depot and found a live owl nestled among its branches the AP reports quoting here Haiti. McBride who is the MOM in the family she says it was surreal. But we weren't really freaked out about it we're really outdoorsy. People we love the Wilderness. So we've got a family finding an owl in its Christmas tree and I want you to think of the title David of beloved Christmas Carols. So what was the keys strained Pun Headline Way Beloved Christmas Carols I think this is a him too. So one of those Christmas carols rain. Is there a different secure on a him Yeah so this is not like I'm dreaming of a White Christmas this is more like away in a manger. Yeah there you go away in a manger Major Not Jingle Bells a little town of Bethlehem We three kings little drummer. Boy Tang. I'm coming up blank Do you hear what I now know. How faithful Oh chemistry the Oh Oh no come out. Oh come alley faithful. I think that would have been slightly better. Unfortunately fortunately it is al come. Oh you faithful. How come on man I would just double it up? Forget Making Sense L. E. faithful is right. It's Christmas wire. Not Oh my God that's terrible. It's terrible I can't imagine having an alley in your Christmas tree. I can't either. I think that's kind of cool. That does set. Doesn't that sound like a Bernstein story or something. Yes definitely happened on like curious. George is various curious Christmas or something. Speaking of Christmas. We are going to take a little time off. We're back Friday January third. We're going to do something like a year end show and we'll do all the year end things media that that that caught our attention will also hopefully really do a massive listener mail segments. Anything you'd like to ask at the press box pod about media about life's mysteries about David's now famous I think that's right catchphrase Dole then he as David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis Reserve by Chris. Mehta production magic by Jim Cunningham. We're back in twenty twenty more. Lukewarm takes about the media happy holidays and happy new. You're David same to you. And David wants. Directed affected his explosive diarrhea. All over the bottom shelf of my bookcase. I that that is true. But we weren't really freaked out about it we're really outdoorsy Dorsey. People Fun fresh and full of flavor. What the hell was that? I don't know if the rum Tom Tom Tucker doing what he do. Oh my gosh. This thing I've heard of or maybe even saw as a kid. It is really fucking weird it took CGI for us to realize how weird it was. I mean how. Tell me where you're going on your vacation Asian That's a really good question. I- attention to what I'm saying. Don't let me get lost. Your pay attention I. I will be a heading to the Cayman Islands to embark on a seven day detox program. It's the best iphone and I've done my research. I taking a a sensible wagon up the up the highway down the Bq e Alpaca Bikini for every day since they take almost no room in a suitcase the Barbie doll crotch the smoothness. I never take heels for a holiday. I agree with you on that front. A dose of icy icy Alpine Air always seems to sort me out after the excesses of Christmas only accessible via ski-lift. Please please don't show tell me the NEUTER crotches when you're sitting next to me did my tinder bio right this. Yeah Oh man. I was just thinking about Kevin Costner. I didn't an and I'm coming up blank. This is obviously gotten cloud on twitter repeatedly. That is fantastic tastic And by the way see if you can make people online believe it's real. Yeah Oh yeah. It's a drop.

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And it's a charitable donation once again. That's the ring dot com slash W. C. K. low media consumers Bryan Curtis. David Shoemaker. The ringer here. We got lots and lots of great stuff to get to today. David how about we talk about new presidential candidate just in a marsh. Hey Is there a lane for a libertarian? In this thing we'll also answer your listener mail including the question. How could Jesse the body Ventura affect the presidential race? Plus David guesses a strain pun headline. He's shaking his head of that thawed and the overworked twitter joke of the week. But David we gotta start with very curious phenomenon of the corona virus By that I mean the corona virus. Tv commercial this is not the virus itself. It's about a brand and it's about a brand being sensitive to the virus A brand telling us that we're all in this together David and you can be in this together by ordering McDonald's or buying batteries or whatever it is I WANNA start here. You know how sometimes when you visit a small town newspaper you get that little multi questions survey. You have to get through to actually get to the article. I got one yesterday. The survey was about brands and it asked me to select all the statements. I agree with let me give you some of the statements I was offered. My favorite brands are providing me comfort. Healthcare workers are today's true heroes. I'm okay with my data. Being used to help others and the world will be forever changed by this feel like I'm getting some mixed messages. They're right my fear. The deadly corona virus is being used to help me love brands and give away my data at the same time. I don't I don't feel thoughts are all exactly in sync anyway. That's what sort of happening writ large our fear our need for food that we don't Cook at home is being re purposed in TV commercial. Let's start with state farm insurance. Take this in and tell me what strikes you about this ad for now. We're all living a new. Normal businesses are closing living. Rooms are now offices and schools are world is suddenly different but one thing stays the same state. Farm is there to any of our customers currently facing financial burdens. Call Your state farm agent. Because we're here to help make this new normal feel just a little more normal like a good neighbor state pharmacy they are. I WANNA point out by the way before Iran before I knew anything about this segment. I just made like three notes before we started doing this podcast and my one about the about this. This Topic was was this flow chart our long standing value. Arrow. The Virus Situation Arrow. Our longstanding value mean something slightly different but our mission is the same. I decided I'd like to give a big shout out the state farm for really just falling directly into the definition that I laid out ahead of time without having any idea we were going to be talking about them. This is. It's like a funny joke and then you sit down and watch. Tv for like a four hour block or or and it's it's like the interesting thing about the the commercials nowadays. It's not just like a specific channel. It's not a targeted audience. It's not specific. It's not just over. It's not just a regular cable service. It's it's everything it's you know it's your Hulu. It's your your youtube. Everything else is brushing with these same commercials. That are all saying the exact same thing. Which is we understand. But don't forget about us and by the way sank you to insurance companies for feelings for for carrying me. Thank you particularly to my car. Insurance Company for cutting my my rates this month there were all while the stuff is going on but you see what a real Highly Successful Company does in a time of stress. Like this which is just lay off half the staff if your reaction is we're just going to give some of our money back. That is your so far even above and beyond even like the businesses that are that are firing people. I mean I. It's it's hard to believe that anyone on stave arm can even get infected by the virus when they're sitting on such a tall stack of our money but But you know congratulations to them for filling in for us right now. It's Kinda like branding. Branding the stay home portion of this right. We are all staying home brought to you by state farm. You know kind of like a football game. Well that's great good again. That's all they WANNA do right. It's not it's out so much is selling a product that they definitely would not mind if you call state farm and buy something but it's just kind of putting our logo there in the corner of the screen. This is another approaches. Commercial comes from Verizon Kinda hard to get into a phone store now and get your data plan changed but David I want you to listen to music here and to the service verizon is offering at this very difficult time. My name is Jordan and I work for Verizon I totally get how important it is just. They connect or connecting with people were offering them solutions. Has Smith can do what they need to do whenever they need to do it online because it gives customers the ability to not come into the store they can simply tap and swipe something that they can use wherever they are. We care about keeping you safe verizon. We are here. We are ready. We are open twenty four seven online. So you can keep managing all you need from home and through the Verizon APPs and Verizon Dot com wait is the message there that are are intelligent. Phones are helping us get through this crisis by allowing to pass the time while they're connecting us with people is. I think you're you're groping for that might have been mentioned prominently a couple of times that ad right. Yeah we're all connected now. I think my favorite claim was. The website is open twenty. Four seven believes the website worked before the corona virus. Right you could get on the web in the middle of the night but it's not. It's not like we're offering something. If you have a problem. Feel free to get online is really really not much of an offer right. That's kind of the normal offer. But they're here. They're here for you. They're connecting and as we'll see putting this all in the mouth of people who work at the stores who are I think sympathetic figures in this time of pandemic of layoffs and those kinds of things right of brick and mortar stores being closed. That's going to become a strategy going forward. Forget about those people right we want to. This isn't the big corporation telling you something. This is the Nice Guy at the phone store. When you bring your phone he goes. Oh I can fix. Just give me a second right pizza. Delivery David big thing during the krona virus. It's kind of like the kind of need for pizza. We normally have during the super bowl. That's happening almost every day during this Vox noted that during this year Super Bowl. Domino's pizza had an ad that was based on the movie. Risky guy dancing around in his underwear and the pizza come to the door and the delivery guy is Curtis Armstrong. Who was actually in risky business? Will there's a new contactless delivery Domino's ad that was re cut that eliminated the delivery? Guy Right essentially. They say we don't want to remind you that someone is coming to another human is coming to your door. We just want to remind you that you can order pizza. But we're everybody's so scared of seeing people we just cut the delivery guy up now. That pizza's not going to be brought to you. By a drone there will be an actual pizza. Man Beats a woman coming to your door but he's not in the commercially. He got cut my canopy brought to us by a drone. Why aren't the people out there? Protesting drone rights are drawing the the drone laws that are out there prohibiting the drones from bringing us our pizzas. Yeah well there's there that's something we can talk about on a future episode. Cutting the delivery guys kind of the implicit message about safety via. Vox Is Meredith haggerty. There's also an explicit message about pizzas safety. I bring you a commercial from Papa. John's Papa John's we want you to know that from our four hundred and fifty degree oven to box to you. It's our policy that your pizza has never touched once. It comes out of the oven and we're taking extra steps like no contact delivery to ensure it. Your pizza will never be touched once. It comes out of the oven see. I think that ad accidentally discourages me from ordering pizza. Well I just think if you had to pay if you showed me a picture of a piping hot pizza and didn't mention you know any of the possible disease vectors or human touching. That could go on which is pretty low from everything I've read. You know about order about food if you if you just didn't tell me that at all big whoop pizza. That sounds like a great idea. It's just explicitly. Come out and say we will not touch. This pizza ever comes out of the way. There's something I'm supposed to be worried about here. We promise not to taste your pizza but the oven and the box. That's like unlike our normal unlike unlike our normal procedure I also could help but remember in the eighties and we are growing up. How all these companies would bring out their CEO. A commercial in eighties was kind of the age of the heroics Lee IACOCCA would do like a Chrysler ad and stuff like that. Dave Thomas Founder. Of Wendy's Dave. Thomas founder of Windsor is a good one. Do you regret that Papa. John has been cancelled so that he cannot craft a papa. John's commercial that he's The star of try to assure us during this time of national difficulty. I mean. Is there any doubt that probably Jonah be leading a protest if he was still in that commercial if he were able to make his own commercials now I mean he's holding a shutdown shutdown? Sign thing yes he wants. He wants to to deliver US. The rights of our founding. Fathers in thirty minutes less. So we've seen the safety commercial Here's one the doesn't touch on that it touches more on the idea that you are living a sad and un-imaginative indoor life particularly when it comes to food and this company. Pizza Hut can help. If you're over MAC and cheese and PB and Jay's have we got good news for you right now get pizza. Hut's best delivery deal large pizzas with up to three toppings for just nine ninety nine available for carry out or contact with delivery at pizzahut DOT com. Do like any ad that says if you're tired of a cheap product covered in melted cheese. Have we got an alternative for you? Oh my pizza. Pb and as I understand 'cause There's been some. There's been a lot of that in the curtis about the shoemaker household. Yeah do PD and Jason. I've I've rediscovered my love for bbn Jay's during this during this situation though. I haven't quite gotten to the other side where hate where I just resent their existence yet. But I'm fully. I'm one hundred percent like NBA player like pb and J. consumption volume right now. It's it's fantastic my particular one. Is this the ham and cheese sandwich which I was always willing to eat but never really excited to eat? Yes and don't you get so excited when it gets like right around noon and you can go like just prepare yourself with Mayo Muster. Whatever you want just a ham and cheese sandwich. Oh my God. It's so good it's so good. It's like like anything any just staple of your of your childhood. The didn't that didn't come in a CASSEROLE DISH. Or maybe the did come in a CASSEROLE DISH. Just taste so good right now. I was GONNA say. Don't rule out those casseroles because I need a bunch of those tail number of commercials. David have been cancelled as a result of the corona virus the La Times reports that a survey by the Association of National Advertisers. Found THAT NINETY. Two percents of marketers had adjusted their messages. Since mid-march the go-getter careerist in a commercial has swapped his crisp dress shirt for Chris. T SHIRT FOR KITCHEN TABLE. Skype calls with his loved ones The paper rights there was a particularly funny. And I can't play it because it's just all music but there was this Kentucky Fried Chicken. Commercial those airing earlier this year where everyone was licking their fingers while eating chicken and one person even offered their finger to another person to lick. That's not on TV anymore. That may never be on TV again. That's actually that's actually. How Corona virus was introduced to the United States? A lot of people don't know that but it was the filming of that. Kfc Commercial Gordon. Vanity Fair's Jane Gordon. The brands getting the most attention. As the pandemic drags on are doing something different. They're selling nothing in these ads. Soaring music accompanies pictures and videos. Much of them generated remotely of empty cities hands touching hands through plates of glass and or essential workers wearing masks before the spot ends with words of support. Someone at a marketing firm tells borden. They're not doing hard advertising per se. They're just saying. Hey look we're a brand and we care speaking of which here's Walmart Tamsin. We have pain. We are but if we we own that always to go wear long. I'll be. I'll help you kid. Only good the Ma you know. We are needy somebody. I hope this was like thunderdome situation. Where if you sang well enough week off. You didn't actually have to come in and subject yourself to potentially contracting the corona virus Say with this we. I saw this commercial in my household we were we were momentarily touched and then just sort of like all simultaneously laughing by the end of it. The singing was fantastic. Some at Walmart has some incredible incredible pipes among sits a millions and millions of employees but But Yeah I mean. I can't imagine this was like the scene in Michael Bay movie where he goes to slow motion and people start hanging American flags out the window. And you're just like I know what you're doing to me right now but I'm still gonNA get choked up. Yeah exactly right. You can't you can't help but get caught up. Also we just lost bill withers this month right yeah. Those other song is kind of itself. Attribute beget what you can't see. There is that Walmart is doing something very brandy. Which is they are taking this song and having it be sung by a Walmart. Associate someone who works in the pharmacy. A case order filler. Aka. Real Working People. So whatever mixed feelings you and I might have about Walmart. Gosh I liked those people right. I want those people to have a job when all this ends So in a way it's sort of disarms the part of your brain that might be suspicious of corporate America and kind of Kinda of Walmer. This sounds like a friendly place in our people are breaking into song to get get us through this National Pandang worldwide banned. Yeah I would I would if I had if there were a superstore where the employees actually did break into song. Now I would. I would drive twenty minutes out of the way to go to that store. Yeah are they. Are they singing through a mask? Is that what's happening now? Because that's very many masks in that commercial where there didn't it seemed they weren't actually in the. Yeah but they weren't actually like Thi five feet from you as he walked in. Has the what what has happened to the Walmart? Greeter has someone done that piece. Oh no idea remember. There'd be that person and often a little bit of an older person there near the door just telling you high when you walked into Walmart or checking your receipt on the way out is that is that person still around. Maybe they have a bubble or something. it was probably inevitable. David at a tasteful interval that we were going to get the corona virus commercial with humor the same kind of humor that we had pre virus. Listen to this ad from Burger King and just know this. The characters in the ad are so looting you like giving you a crisp military style salute while this happened. Your country needs you to stay on your couch and order in do your part and we'll do ours order through the Burger King App and the delivery fees are on us so staying home doesn't just make us all safer. Makes you a couch potato and to help healthcare heroes we are donating whopper sandwiches to nurses and we are also proudly supporting the American Nurses Foundation. Stay home of the robber. That's actually the full Michael Bay treatment. Yeah as fantastic work. You can save America by staying home and Ordering Burger King. Stay home of the whopper. Labor the fully refitted. But it's that exact kind of humor. That's not actually funny. But his ten commercial funny. Yeah like when it had the Super Bowl and all those football writers are writing about how the commercials are only you old dude thought. That was actually funny that a like a talking squirrel was behind the wheel of a car or something like that right. Burger King did the corona virus version of that which is pretty ballsy on one level rate. We we think this will play during a time. When sixty thousand people have died be couch. Patriot and stay home in order. Your Burger King Burger King Sandwich. I think the final category here now. I've been really having sound for this. Because it's it's more soaring music than anything else but did you see the Uber. An No It starts with people doing stay at home. Thanks Given a guy a beard trim kids riding on roller skates inside. The house Somebody who's pregnant and then it says uber stay home for everyone who can't thank you for not writing with Uber. Thank you for not using Burger. King right you are saving America. You're saving the planet by Ordering Burger King With Uber Your Safety Light. Not Writing with Uber. Not Calling the car. Oh my God well I mean. I guess there's some truth to that I just I. It's so so befuddling. I Guess Uber I guess for a lot of people who necessity. So it's I'm glad that they're out there to saying something but I can't tell where the point is. That's the whole thing right. Is this sort of need to say something. Yeah even if you don't really have anything to say a support group meeting or someone's just like all right. Brian your turn to talk and you're just obligated to stand up and just gone. I'll leave you with this on that survey that I got from the local news website for it made me answered ten questions. This was questioned number ten at this point. I'm already pretty worn down right. I swear to you this is the actual question when you think about what's meaningful to you when you choose particular brands. Is it more meaningful to you? That a brand understands my frustrations or be a brand provides me with dreams now. Whoever thinks those are the two things that brands due to people are the people who wrote those commercials? Yeah I mean if you're looking for a brand fuelling commercial to provide your dreams that said Provides me with dreams. A brand provides me with dreams unless they're talking about those like corona virus nightmares that everybody's having having right now I mean of a brand could provide me with something dream about. That's not like me falling off a cliff with my family. Then yeah then then I would like to brand provide me that dream but a dream in life. I don't I don't know I don't think that's that's where now where I'm looking right now. You would tell me you you and your family really wanted to go. The Long Horn steakhouse. Do you think the long horn steakhouse. Understand your frustration or provides you with dreams. I think the the employees along steakhouse almost early. Understand my frustrations right now. I'm not sure about the people in the Long Horn steakhouse corporate office wherever that may be their answer to the awesome blossom does probably provide you with dreams all right. David. Let's do the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Send your nominees to at the press. Box pod David remember the Houston Astros cheating scandal where they were banging on trash cans. That seemed like nine million years ago. God yes forever ago. A scout on the twenty seventeen world championship team has put his world series ring up for auction. The proceeds going to a corona virus related charity. One problem the astro said they have a contract. Where if you sell your world series ring you have to allow the team to buy back for one dollar okay. I guess that's to prevent the secondary market for world series rings a one dollar. It was an overworked twitter joke to write bang for Buck and trash cans thanks to Dan. Lust David Attila missus one from the NFL. Draft but remember that very palatial very modern home that Arizona Cardinals Clo- coach Cliff Kingsbury was in. Of course it was over. Were twitter joke to write. Cliffs should carefully check if anything is amiss in his basement. We're going to do parasite jokes for for a while. Thanks to Charles Swan for that highly. David Alum this one. A quote from T M Z. Sports Kendall Jenner takes quarantine road trip with NBA star Devon Booker. Oh God Kendall. Jenner takes quarantine road trip with NBA star Devon Booker. It was an overworked twitter joke to ride. We should've known Ben. Simmons wouldn't make it work from long distance. Thanks to J M Junkins if you knew how to provide content to every ringer. Nba writer and US congrats. You made the overwork twitter joke of the week. David let's talk about just an ammash for president but I this message from the Ringer AIDS. Bill Simmons I wanted to tell you about a new podcast and the ringer podcast network that we are launching this week. It's called TV concierge. It's only available on spotify. These twelve to fifteen minute mini podcasts. That review the latest TV show streaming on Netflix Amazon Hulu. Hbo Showtime fx Apple TV. Wherever else preview new shows that are launching. We'LL BREAK DOWN. The big shows that just launched. We'll review the biggest binge-watch seasons that drop as they happen on Monday. We're launching three. These all mini pods. Listened one you can list off three. It's up to you. It's our new. Tv concierge podcast the ringer podcast. That were think they'd like a little bit of a playlist. Pick and choose the ones you on and listen to. It's available only on spotify or David in the notebook dump. I want us to size up the potential presidential campaign the exploratory campaign of just in a Mush Independent Libertarian Congressman from Michigan on Tuesday. He announced he's launching an exploratory committee. To Run for the Libertarian Party nomination. Here's why a mosh thinks. His candidacy makes sense. I'm asking you. There doesn't seem to be a lot of people who are lined up with where you stand on these issues. Actually I think you're making the case for the candidacy. There are millions of Americans who aren't represented by either Donald Trump or Joe Biden who aren't represented by the Republicans or the Democrats and those millions of Americans deserve choice on the ballot. And it's pretty silly to say well. We shouldn't allow another candidate to be on the ballot. We just want to have these two candidates and in fact the way we got donald trump is because every republican who did it like Donald Trump was told insistently they were told you must vote for Donald Trump because he's the republican nominee and you have to the Republican similarly. People are being told today on the Democratic side you have to vote for Joe Biden and Republicans are being told you have to Donald Trump again. That's not the way the system supposed to work. We're supposed to have a system where the people are represented and there are millions. And millions of people I would say the plurality of Americans who are not well represented by either of these two parties or either of these candidates and they deserve an opportunity to vote for someone that they want to win. Well I have to tell you. I watched that interview live and it was every bit as sort of grading at the time. I don't know quite what to make of this. I think that the most interesting part of the whole of the his candidacy is. There's a couple of things one. I think the if grown virus didn't exist we weren't in this situation. I think that we would still be kind of we. Kinda be identifying the dotted line between all those kind of political moves and stands just in a marshes made over the past well for years but particularly the past couple and and and this candidate and this this fledgling candidacy I think in the with the existence of the virus. I think it's even more clear right. I mean almost feels like like he's got a coupon for the Texas roadhouse and he's just damned if he's not going be able to cash it in no matter what no matter. What kind of quarantine is in place? But more more than that and I guess this fits more from for a media. Angle is watching watching the you heard it right there the host on MSNBC and other channels to on CNN on Fox kind of feeling the liberty to wrestle with the morality of his decision to float this candidacy in in real time NBC MSNBC. Opened up the Dan with Claire. Mccaskill out there is just a tick ticking with the force of a Su Nami just in a Martius choice even suggests that he might run and it seems like every interview every mention of it as the day went on with sort of like. Why would you look around the world? Why are you doing this to us right now? See that I don't understand on the one hand. Everything he said about having other choice is sort of generic third party rhetoric. That could have mostly come out of the mouth of Ross Perot and there's really nothing you know. Why should people have to vote for the Republican or over the Democrat? You know? Shouldn't they deserve a certain? The people really get to decide like okay. You know that. That doesn't sound very original but on the other hand. He's running for the Libertarian Party. Nomination Ride that's GonNa Exist. Whether a marsh runs for president or not so is he was exposed to just pick a better time to go on a big tour of MSNBC and talk to Chuck Todd and all these other people I got. What does that make any sense? You know yeah I mean. I think there's I think there's a couple of things I get what you're saying I do. I just feel like well for. I think for a television. Newscasters point of view. There's a little bit more gravity to what they're doing on an hourly basis daily basis now than maybe there was six months ago and then there was a time. I'm sure in the absence of Nash and international epidemic. There'd probably be. It'd probably be this time right now. Where they'd be excited by the distraction that a potential lamarche candidacy would would provide at least for the you know. Five minutes of every of every hour block or whatever But you know I think that from a in front and if you're looking around the world and you're dealing with this heavy real stuff all the time and not just this horse race he shed and and also I think there's a certain built in exhaustion from the race that we've seen so far. Where are you sort of like you know? We had forty five Democratic candidates on stage for way too long every debate. And we've we're we're kind of we cycled through all the sort of single issue candidacies vanity. Candidacies you know. We're we're under the real race now under the real the real matchup and the Justin emotional just like come in only floating this idea. Now I think just to folks a certain level of exhaustion from the people who are tasked with reporting it. Yeah I mean I guess you could argue that. The presidential race really isn't happening at all. Yeah Right now. And that him entering. It obliges everyone to sort of be interested in a book. Sorry what is Claire mccaskill talking about on? Msnbc right now you know. Other than Corona virus response. Is She that she so busy? You know no no no no no clear Claire. Mccaskill is coming at it from and that's a different one. I mean I'm just talking about I'm talking to anchor is basically in the end. The you know the the top line talent. Claire mccaskill is there was there. I mean coming out strong. Just basically saying anything that anyone does that I don't even know jeopardizes the right word because I don't know how we think we know how this is all going to shake out but anything anyone does to disrupt the past towards a Joe Biden's election should be condemned to hell. I mean that was basically it. I mean the implication was that he that his candidacy would help would help trump But I think you can. You can draw you can you? Can you know work that out in so many different ways I think the real thing is just the ten of disruption at this point is not welcome you know? Sit Back. Down your desks on that sort of thing. So the idea being that like there are some Republicans or conservatives who are leery about voting for another trump term And a mosh gives them a place to put their vote. That's not Joe Biden. But like at that vote goes away from Donald Trump right. I mean it's really. It's really hard to imagine like Democrats saying I don't like Joe Biden. Justin Amash is is. The kind of guy can get behind me. That's what's weird about this to me. It's much more deadly for trump yen. Anything else and I understand like conservatives. There's this piece by Tim. Alberta and politico where Mark Sanford former South Carolina congressman comes out and says he's going to hand the election essentially to buy if he comes in and so. I guess you could read that both ways. I mean the funny part about this third party. Candidacy right is there are third party candidates who conceivably at the right moment in American history could win the president tone dench election. Just a mosh is not one of those people now or ever right. He is not going to be president. So we're almost solely talking about him as a spoiler so as and as a kind of like lightning rod for anti-trump. You know kind of feeling within the Republican Party. Here's a real conservative right. Unlike our. Here's somebody who's not telling us to all drink. Bleach unlike the President United States. That kind of thing. Yes the only thing I can think is that there's so much uncertainty in the process dating back to trump's election. You know the very notion of a voter that would switch from Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump. I think just scares the shit out of everybody in Washington and the justice. Marsh as a I think maybe his lack of profile might actually help them in that regard that there would be a just a sort of a class of performance undecided voters who are interested in his candidacy because you know. Biden is lame and trump is bothering them right now. but But yeah I mean I I I agree with you. I don't I think the logic logical you would think it would work out and Donald Trump. I mean in Joe Biden's favor for Masha run. But I'm actually more interested in the spoiler. Elementary we're talking about because to declare right now. Only has that one purpose. You're right I mean it seems only have that number because I mean I guess there's a I guess there could be a different purpose. Which is maybe you get more. Maybe it's all about profile building for a future run and this is and this is a better moment or e or absent the virus. It'd be a better moment to achieve some sort of national profiled. Then it would have been just to get squashed in every primary by trump right. I mean this gives you a little bit more a little bit more profile from you. Know fighting the establishment or fighting trump establishment. Whatever sort of point of view? But if he's a spoiler and if he knows that he's a spoiler. The plan is to be a spoiler. Then what is the? What is the plan? Is it just to bring down trump? I mean it seems like it seems like you kind of going about it the wrong way of. That's the plan. Yeah I mean and that's That's what all these anti-trump conservatives right sort of have to decide at some point you know. How much do you WanNa be the guy who blows it right if there's if there are tight races all over the Midwest and you by being a slightly bigger name conservative than maybe the Guy who would? Otherwise win the Libertarian Party nomination Do you WanNa be that guy who has a well you know. He took away X. number of votes from trump and then Joe Biden pulled out in Wisconsin and won the election back kind of thing so that's a calculation. Everybody has to make and I think it is. I would I would like A. Who would use suggested a list of things that scared the Democrats about the twenty twenty election that we could just back day to January at this point and run through November a thousand things like times when Democrats got the jitters because they thought they were going to blow it and This is this'll this'll be a data point because ultimately that's probably all that it will amount to our David. Let's do a little listener mail. We do this every Thursday. You can Send us at the press box pot about anything and we'll do our best as beers bacon and back roads. What's your take on? Jesse Ventura possibly being the spoiler in the presidential race is indicated. He may run for the Green Party nomination. As like right Y- I think that's right. I mean just even juries. There's a little hint of other the conversation we had about Rodman earlier this week just even as a kind of guy. He was a very specific. Po like media crossover figure at a very specific point in our nation's history and I think there will never a day where Jesse Ventura could not get on. You know. The news channel is his choice. He represents a certain thing and we will always just like you know people always respond to OJ Simpson tweets. We will always just like you know. Listen to listen to what Jesse. Ventura has to say about whatever's going on no matter how inane it may be. I mean listen. I Love Jesse Ventura as a professional wrestling commentator but I find it but the functional reality of this is that he will never be on any ballot and probably won't even try that hard to get on one. Yeah he he feels like a talk show guest more than the actual presidential candidate he feels like Howard stern running for mayor of New York or something except except like I accept. I think Jesse probably believes in his candidacy a little bit more but has a whole lot less like energy to to fall through with Jesse Ventura only sixty eight years old. So he's quite a bit younger than number thicker presidential candidates. I'm not sure I would have known that without looking also hosts various and has hosted various shows on rt Ar Arlene America So like all the kind of you know. Fear and loathing and terror. People have rt like what if an RT host the residential on the presidential ballot? That'd be wild. This is Jake Tuber. David Does Fox's firing of personalities like Trish Regan and Diamond and silk signal anything broader about the network or are these just run of the mill personnel changes if you did not follow the story diamonds. Silk who were on the Fox. Nation APP had some truly crazy corona virus theories diamond back in March for the daily beast. Said what I need to know is how many people have passed away in New York. And what I need to know is who has the bodies I need it for somebody that does investigative work to call the morgues to call the funeral homes. We need to know because I don't trust anything else. That comes out of his mouth now. Something's not right here something is off here. Et Cetera et CETERA. So what should we read into the conscious uncoupling with diamond and silk and Fox News? I Trust Regan to be clear was Fox business host who said that the current virus was a I believe was a some sort of scam to get trump out of office The expanded Fox University. I don't know I mean I think I think callously it's easy to look at that or tempting to look at that and just be like you know you kind of a fire. The least significant person who does the same thing. Everybody else is doing to try to make it. Seem like you care about this issue or that. You're taking it seriously thing but I'm sure there's more than that more to it like they were totally expendable all three of them. I'm not and you know just like anything else. Every everybody's looking to cut costs these days. I'm sure that there's a lot of sure there's a lot of talent fees over at at you know. Fox's online platform over the top platform. That are probably if you feel like. You're being overpaid right now. But we'll see I mean I. I think that I think that probably it's just you know just trying to prove trying trying to prove that they care when they clearly. Don't yeah I I think you're most cynical is the correct one. Which is that. They don't really play a huge role in the Fox universe. And so if you can make you know if you can get rid of somebody like this and kind of make a demonstration to media observers that Oh hey you know Fox did get rid of diamond and silk but the question of course wired diamond and Silcon any Fox property anyway. I mean that's Duchess Dowager. That's the crazy part right. It's not it's not that not that. They finally went too far like they've never not gone too far so I just think that's what it is you know. And Sean Hannity Laura Ingram right those people who and we've said what they what they said about krona virus way back when they're not going anywhere so. I just think this is the easiest kind of easiest people to cut. Yeah Yeah I mean to say what were they doing on any part Fox? I think if you went down the Fox contributor you know payroll last. You'd probably pretty shocked. You're right but diamond silk. I mean that's still pushing on the on the power rankings of like contributors that have something to offer that is also true. I think diamond self would would fall pretty low on that list. I mean for Fox nation employees former pro wrestler. The funke Soroush. He's not in not quite not quite Jesse. Ventura category of thinker. But you're you sir the Funke Soroush. Yeah it is. It is funny that they just have this. The sole whole sort of counter thing is like if you like the Funke Sorenson diamond. Silk Subscribe or or APP. Here's Thomas Brugge He has breaking news. Chiron irrevocably broken on Cable News. It took about a week into pandemic covers to observe that it was permanently on the screen and sometimes used to announce an interview with a reporter from the Atlantic. Not Actual Breaking News. I'll start this one. I mean I just we kind of learn that breaking news thing would never go away about a decade ago And that it would just be used all the time. I think there's a real sorta downside to doing it now when everybody already afraid and you know you can be. You know you look at television right. And this is the idea like how much actual corona virus news occurs during a given day in others. Lots of helpful things to watch but in terms of like this is breaking. This is important. You should know this. Probably not all that much but when you put that on television all day all you're doing is trying to get people to keep watching right. You'RE GONNA have a big revelation in thirty minutes. Something's going to happen. Yeah something incredibly cynical about that. It's the reality show teaser. Before every commercial that makes you think a big fight about to happen when you come back and then they tease teaser to the last segment. And there's never a fight or there's not always fight. Yeah I mean I think this we pointed I feel like this has been going on for half a decade. At least I don't remember when it was that. Msnbc started running their little atomic clock. That'd be the countdown clock in the bottom left hand corner. Was it during the last election cycle. Where like it would be or was it like dirt sharing and trump investigation. Whatever it was it was just like it started off something legitimate where it was just like countdown until the Komi public testimony or something like that and then the next thing you know it was like they were using the same countdown clock to say like this many minutes until until you know. Julio Castro appears on Olbermann you know what I mean. It's just like the Clark never ended right. It was just like pointing out something different. Something significant each time Yeah breaking news is is is broken but but I'm not quite sure I mean the chirons not GonNa go away unless they find something. That's more you know flashing urging. This is from Brian Boyle what is the best order to read? Charles Portis Catalog. I'll start with the most popular. True Grit the Colt Fan. Favourite dog of the South most critically acclaimed masters of the Atlantic's Atlanta's masters of the of Atlanta Massive Atlantis. Should I go in chronicle logical order of release? What say you David? I just had this conversation With Ringer staffer countering Evans and actually only had the first part of. Here's what I would say. The South is number one full. Stop you gotTA re dog this out first and you have to the dog. The South is not you know your favorite book within like fifty pages. Start over try again. And if it's still not your favorite book then this is probably a lost cause but I will say dog in this house number one number two is. I would say either masters of Atlantis or Norwood Norwood. If you'RE A if you're a connoisseur of first novels I think they're on say say that I think I am and a lot of ways you know I mean I think I think I would recommend a lot of people like you know. Read the Wanderers read those early Richard Price Books before they get to demon in the catalog or whatever or masters of Atlantis. If you're innocent if you WANNA get something kind of more expansive in deeper and and a little bit. More head trippy. That would be one of those two for number two but I would definitely go than than true. Grit number. Three triggered is maybe his probably his best book. I mean just most perfect perfect book but it's unlike everything else so to say to. You can only really appreciate it as Charles Portis work. After you've been fully submerged in Charles Portis for a while that would be that would be my one-two-three but you know whatever you want. It's all good. We got a couple of notes on the backdrops reporters have when they beam into. Espn or one of the news. Networks Michael Mason sends a Sports Media Zoom backdrop. Pick three. Okay can only pick three for your hypothetical. Sports media member got a Friday Night Lights book a family photo. The sports illustrated football phone north. Dallas forty poster pick with a former president Super Nintendo Console Little League trophy vinyl collection or leather bound. Classic Books Great List by the. What's really good? That's really good. Friday night lights is out there. I mean that's got you gotta you gotTa know. Yeah yeah the Like the recent this. I feel there's this whole kind of thing and and look. I am totally guilty of this because I rearrange my bookshelves. All the time But just like kind of bringing forth would you think is like the significant sportsbook and also the sports book that you would want people to associate with you. You know if you just had to pick just one That's a big deal and I can only imagine doing that in front of an audience of millions this is from Aaron Saunders Kinda Aaron. Sanders gives me kind of related. Have you guys seen the twitter account? Room Raider what scores Do you do? You think both of you would get if you had the account Rachel Skype. Zoom set ups. I have not seen that but I want a direct everybody's attention to the twitter account bookcase credibility where they rate the bookshelves of talking. Heads that pop up on the news? Networks Oh wow that's great. This is bookcase credibility on a former. Uk PM. Gordon Brown a standard bookcases credibility wallpaper presentation but notable for the double stacking everywhere and what appears to be three copies of the same book about Robert Kennedy. A kitchen sink approach that served dead ban review of everybody's bookshelf. Get yourself over there to that account if you have not visited it. Here's a hypothetical I feel. We've done a couple of different ways. David Jeremy Schneider. And Sean Campbell had similar questions alternate history. Had the corona virus hit hard with Bernie Sanders Still. The democratic favorite would have cemented his position or at all changed. The discourse role of government has been a flashpoint with socialism seemingly rejected but now people need more government assistance. What do you think about that Man If he went if he were if it were like everything like pre South Carolina. Yeah we're like or like South Carolina neck and neck. Yeah I think the DEM FAVORITE. It'd probably be pre South Carolina. I mean you would have been. He would have been kind of resistible. I mean among seemingly irresistible for Carolina kind of situation there were actually South Carolina. I mean if we're that early in the process I think we'd be having conversations about how to move the process forward. I mean I don't think I don't think anyone would have called it a day at that point but if we were like this deepen and he was like sixty forty favourite or a seventy thirty favourite or something like that then. Yeah I mean. I think he'd have a real platform to kind of cement that plays it would be really interesting. It'd be really interesting to see kind of how the democratic establishment reacted to something like that. But I I it's it's it's so hard to gain that out. I I don't know what do you think I think it's like a couple of different forces working on it. I think when when this whole thing started there was a push to say we cannot have a democratic primer anymore. So anybody who is in the lead at that point would have had something of advantage right. Like if we're just GONNA shut this thing down and I'm in the lead then. There's a case that I am going to win or or at least there's a real good case or just making me the nominee. That's one thing the second thing though is I just wonder if that had happened if the whole rally around Joe Biden affect what had just happened earlier if a lot of those pete. Buddha judge amy klobuchar level candidates would have been like you know what Corona Virus Pandemic descending on America DONALD TRUMP NOT READY DONALD TRUMP DENY. It exists our only hope to win. This thing is the experienced guy. Let's defer rally around him like two weeks earlier than we might have done already like right after Nevada. Maybe I don't know I could see either one happening. This and finally David from Mike. Balls melon with more people getting sick of being cooped up in their homes and wanting to go back to restaurants et Cetera to alleviate that. Oh will we see the literal meaning for dying of Boredom? Probably a good time to do eleven dying of boredom from from the vocabulary. I think dying if anything I think. Greg Agnes's already eliminated all those things from any current ringer stories. So yes Somebody clicked gains in charge. You have more confidence and Craig Games and like thirty. One American governors at this point absolutely true absolutely true and all his public pressure leases would be spelled in punctuated impeccably or whatever. David Shoemaker guesses a strain pun headline and here David. Give us a side indicate his displeasure with us Mondays headline about the ESPN Michael Jordan. Doc was Phil Jackson's legacy comes full triangle. Today's headline comes from Johnny. Rad's some the Irish Daily Mirror. It touches on the Donald Trump bleach scandal. We talked about on Monday. And the Mir says you know suggesting we can take Lysol to fight corona virus. Is the last Straw David? The point of no return. Donald Trump must be removed from office right now after suggesting that this might be possible. What was the Irish Daily Mirror's strained pun headline That's CH- how do we remove the president from office here states impeachment? Nah At In in Peden. She just walking right up to it and he think of the product. Donald TRUMP WAS LYSOL. Lies only kind of bleach Lysol impeach what is that it in when am not impeached but in bleach and bleach him. Oh God okay I think I might have gone with embellishment but em Bleach Im- bleach him says the Irish. That's good Mir he is David Shumate. Ground Bryan Curtis Research by Chris. Almeida production magic by Erica savant. `As we're back Monday and we need to address the sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden. I think we've got enough info now to understand at least how we should begin to think about them and of course more lukewarm takes about the media's than David Seabright.

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Obamagate Explainer, 'Call Her Daddy', and Listener Mail

"Hello and welcome to the ringer podcast network this week. The ringer is launching a new podcast. Feed called boom. Bust the new hub for narrative. Podcasts documenting the rise and fall of companies and trends season one hosted by our own Elizabeth. Snack takes you through this. Spectacular Journey. Hd Trivia the ones one hundred million dollar industry altering company turned disaster elicit interviewed dozens of former employees investors journalists and fans bringing you the behind the scenes story of how HQ crumbled from within subscribed boom bust HQ Trivia and checkup. I two sets out now on spotify or wherever you get your PODCASTS L. O. Media Consumers Bryan Curtis. David shoemaker of the ringer here. This is a press box on today's agenda The segment. Everybody's been waiting for Brian and David. Talk about the call. Her Daddy podcast drama. Yup It's come to this. What does the latest barstool contracts Oda Howard Stern we will discuss? We'll also answer your listener. Mail including the question which NBA insider will be granted access inside the NBA bubble. Less David guesses a strain pond headline in the overwork twitter. Joke of the week. But David let's begin with the topic that I'm hoping we can kind of explain to each other Obama Gate or the quote Unquote Obama Gate Scandal. You can't have enough air. Quotes About Obama. Gave the whole thing unfolded thusly last Monday. Donald trump quote tweeted an article from the far right website the federalist which was headlined. Why did Obama tell the FBI to hide its activities from trump trump? Himself offered an answer because it was Obama Gate and he and sleepy Joe led the charge the most corrupt administration in US history. What is Obama Gate exactly? Well here's what trump said at his press conference last Monday when asked by the Washington. Post's Philip Rucker President in one of your mother's Day tweet you to accused President Obama of the biggest political crime in American history. We stop right there. Erica David is there any better sign of our times? It when reward begins the question. In one of your mother's Day tweets. Oh my gosh. She's you're using the you know. He's a trained journalist. Just trying to do that beautiful. The time honored tradition of kind of setting painting the background. They're setting the stage. Let's see what comes after that. It's it's a real newspaper trick to write because it's totally bedpan in a mother's Day twitter rampage Hama President Donald J trump all right. Let us continue with Philip. Rucker political crime in American history far. Those were your words. What crime exactly are you accusing President Obama of committing? Do you believe. The Justice Department said prosecute him Obama game. It's been going on for a long time. It's been going on from before I even get elected and it's a disgrace that it happened. And if you look at what's going on and if you look at all of this information that's being released and from what? I understand that's only the beginning. Some terrible things happened and it should never be allowed to happen on our country again. And you'll be seeing what's going on over the next over the coming weeks. I wish you'd write honestly about it but unfortunately you choose not to do so. Yeah John I'm what is the crime? Exactly what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody. Well you have to do is read the newspapers. Except here's why I feel like that's the end of the segment right there right. We've just had Obama gate explain to us in full. Oh man I mean it's been an easy laugh line I think for you know liberal twitter twitter in general and anyone watching that I think immediately sort of my turned to whoever else in the room with them and just you know mouth agape wondered if that's if had just heard what they thought they heard but I mean honestly if someone asks you a question we we. We both have children. If you ask your child a question and the answer is you know what you know what I'm talking about. And then they turn their head and run away. You know. They're making something up right. I mean every human being knows this but that's exactly the point of Obama Gate right at the same time it's like this is what we've been talking about about Donald Trump from the very beginning and we'll get into trying to define Obama getting just a second but I think it's most central central aspect of it is that it's meaningless. And whether or not trump the people who trump voters trump's audience. Whatever are aware are believe what he says in all of his nonsense or are in on the joke and like the idea that he's fighting back or doing whatever that is the real question right. I mean that that is the great unknown but let's get back to the basics here and talk over Bama Gate. Let's let's take it. I hate to say this. Let's take it seriously for one. Second what do you think you got it? 'cause the next day in an attempt to ask a little more definition the White House released an ad video thing on its social media platforms with the caption. Obama Gate turns out. It was just a mad libs of boogeyman and boogie. Women including James Comey. Sally Yates Susan Rice that whole lineup. We've seen trotted out by trump time and time again but the Basic Gist David. If I understand. This is something that trump's been peddling for a really long time which is a bunch of Democrats and deep state people made up the Russia scandal. in an attempt to undermine the trump administration they didn't necessarily know he was going to win the presidency. In fact very few people thought he would win the presidency but they preemptively made this up to undermine his future presidents right. That's the now functionally. What is this? It's a strategies? Steve bannon famously dubbed flooding the zone. With Shit Sean Ailing Rights as vox. This is a new form of propaganda tailored to the digital age and it works not by creating a consensus around any particular narrative but by muddying the water so that consensus isn't possible. Yeah I think what you're saying a second ago about it's on debunk ability being key to its power in the trump universe. Yeah that's right. There's a there is an early. I think early on in this whole Obama Gate cycles such as it is. Jacqueline wrote a piece for esquire. That when when he's trying to break down what the actual crime at the heart of this is and the semi seriously rights. He says that they wanted Flynn to lie about him. And then something about Katie Macfarlane knock knock FBI and then unmasking and then he goes back to the into the FBI lovers routine the point is I think what sets this moment this accusation. Whatever this conspiracy theory apart from what has come before is well the the the one and only thing that sets us apart from what's come afford is the term Obama Gate and that might be the most compelling part of the entire thing we've and it's not it's not that they've drawn all of these things together under one umbrella and composed some sort of narrative be conspiratorial real. It's just by by presenting this this name Obama Gate. There is the implication that we have brought everything into one narrative right. There is the implication that it all fits together like some the last page of Dashiell Hammett novel right. We're just like pulling things from the from chapters one eight and nine and Oh my God. I didn't not see that all along. That's not actually happened in reality. Yeah it sort of makes trump into like the J.J. Abrams of the right. Where we got all these elements that everybody loves right. These elements that have playing on Fox News but they need to be remixed under a a new banner right they need to be sold to you a new so essentially. We're GONNA take the Hillary Clinton server thing which is really what Obama Gate is just with slightly different villains and occasionally the same villains. Yeah put a new label on it like you said we're even going to overlap with the old things because he is suggested in at least one round of this that Russia Wanted Hillary Clinton to win the election in two thousand sixteen and not him. So we're just GONNA go fully around the bend on that thing and repackage just just one more clip and again. This may be at the risk of taking this all too seriously. Here is trump riffing with Maria Barham on Fox business. Yeah about what Obama Gate might be. It was the greatest political crime in the history of our country if I were a Democrat instead of a Republican I think everybody would have been in jail a long time ago. And I'm talking with fifty year sentences. It is a disgrace what's happened. This is the greatest political scam hoax in the history of our country. People should go to jail for this stuff and hopefully a lot of people are going to have to pay. No other president. Should have to go through. And I'll tell you General Flynn and others are heroes heroes. Because what's happened to them. They weren't after General Flynn. They wanted him to lie about me. Make up a story and with few exceptions. Nobody did that many people I watch. Kt McFarland the other day. I watch where she was knocked. Knock FBI FBI okay. This was all Obama. This was all biden. These people were corrupt. The whole thing was corrupt and we caught them. We caught em just now. I watched Biden. Yesterday could barely speak. He was on Good Morning America right and he said he didn't know anything about it and now it just gets released right after. He said that it gets really said. He was one of the UNMASK IRS. Meaning he knew everything about it so he lied to your friend. George Stephanopoulos the fact of the matter in documents that either. I don't know if the ones he was referencing but certainly documents that came out and they've come out either. Inner since is that Joe Biden was not actually on one of the unmask On any of the FBI documents that are that are actually significant to what's going on here. I'm not sure that matters. I'm not sure that they're I mean they're certainly not going to be you know an addendum to any of trump's charges Just the release of new documents. Even if they're a sculptor Tori for Joe Biden. Abrek Obama. Whoever else I am will just be used exactly the same way as a as as further ambiguous proof that this is taking place right. I mean you'll just they just point and say look new documents. Say whatever but you know to be to be given a I mean L. that Maria Boorda. Romo interview was a back scratch session right. I mean there is like so that was the most comfortable interview That are present may ever get the most like I mean there is. That was the friendliest the friendliest place he could possibly be junior. Interject there. Yes. It is the biggest exactly. That's not exactly a great follow up students of journalism. Yeah for that to be the best answer that he could formulate Ed in such a friendly setting is telling I mean the whole thing is telling every answer he's given is telling but like come on I mean that was the place for him to just lay out the inanity all glory. I think a really fascinating question here is. Why is trump doing this? You know if he has lots of diversionary tactics available to me on the one hand if American if Americans think you've screwed up the government response to coronavirus saying hey look over. There has potential merit as a strategy. But as a bunch of people pointed out. Labeling this with Obama's name is kind of weird because Biden and Hillary before him were semi popular semi unpopular politicians Obama at least by the standards of our very hyper partisan era still polls. His approval ratings are still in the mid fifty s to low sixties. So you've sort of replaced Joe Biden. Who seems like an eminently criticizable politician with somebody? Who's more popular than Joe Biden? Yes yeah that's a good question. I don't think that it's you know there's the answer is necessarily deep. I think that frankly trump probably can't separate his own aversion distaste hatred. Pick your word for former President Obama from that of the rest of the World Right. I mean He. He probably assumed that everybody hates him as much as he does. Despite what the polls say because we all know that doesn't believe in the polls And I think probably if you WANNA get scientific or give it the benefit of the Dow You know the real move here is to try to try to animate the base and I think his base probably does hate Obama as much as he does right so I mean if he if he can if this is a useful tool in Getting trump pro-trump anti-obama voters to the polls in November than Than it could be a success. Yeah there's the other theory would be that we had that Obama had that call with former. Staffers called the. He's been very reluctant to say anything about President Obama about anything since he he called on this call for the White House. Response to coronavirus a quote an absolute chaotic disaster as NBC notes. Two days later on. May Eighth Trump tweeted Obama Gate and devised a conspiracy theory. So maybe the answer is just the most obvious one like mad at Obama. Yeah and so I chose to sort of go off. Yeah I mean I think you know grown virus response I mean this is slightly is a little bit of a sidebar. All the big visas from the Times the poster the Wall Street Journal wherever about the trump administration's failure on the coronavirus front. There's always you know there's a little bit of a lack of a coherent central narrative not I don't mean the same way that Obama Gate doesn't have a central narrative made up and this one's real but but you do kind of get the impression reading you know in your times piece about jared's you know whacky group of volunteers or whatever that like there is a certain we actually. This is what talked about all the time. There's a certain level of just like straightforwardness that all these papers have to skirt right like your time is not just going to say this was a bunch of fucking crazy bullshit. You know. They can't like the way that any of us would talk about a normal thing is that and so many words but we're less sort of wondering to what degree this Bush is crazy. It's clear that if anyone is reading this and can and immediately under like intuit's immediately understands the depths of just wrongheadedness. It is a former president Barack Obama. Of course when he actually has to speak about this amongst friends or or even semi semi-public settings because this is a huge huge international tragedy. He's going to. He's going to be that this would be what would animate it right. And then from what everything we know about the current president. The one thing that's going to animate him is hearing that somebody talk bad about him. The other question and it sort of goes to what you just said about. The media is the. Should we cover this question right? And I'm happy to include the two of US doing the segment in it Because there's there's this idea that when trump comes up with something that is so obviously not real The just by mentioning it even if your debunking it even if you're treating it with the kind of skepticism you and I are trying to do right now that you are just unintentionally doing trump's bidding by putting the word Obama Gate even with air quotes out into the universe. So yeah I mean my take on all this and this has come up again and again in the trump during the trump. Here's might take in. All of this has been. It is a tough question right because there is a certain sense that as soon as you mentioned this. You're just making this a little more real even if you're saying it's not real but the flip side of it is if you don't say anything you leave it to. Bandanna wearing Glenn back at his chalkboard or judge Janine to just talk about it all the time and they are on Fox News by the way. Leaning INTO OBAMA GATE media matters says that they are now talking about it to the exclusion of corona virus krona virus. Now stories. They set media. Matters says account for only fifty six percent of the output from the network down from ninety five percent the month before of stories on Fox News. So not only has trump changes subject. They've changed the subject. And if you don't say anything about it it just sits out there in cycles around. That's true I think all of the Times this do we cover it? Conversation has come up. And maybe it's because of the lunacy of this of this Obama Gate issue. I feel like we're closer now to answer the question that we have been in some of the previous ones and I think the answer is and this has been another. Conversation has been going on since the beginning of trump's campaign for plus years ago which is like what words are major media outlets allow us to call something untrue right in and I think that there's I think that whatever your editorial board describes it is fair in this case to just refer to something as trump's Obama gate lunacy or you know whatever word you would wanna put after that. I also think that I mean there are a lot of good Obama Gate explainers. That are not from right wing media sources that are out there. I mean if you type Obama Gate into Google you probably at least at this point come across something that is more helpful than not but that said this is. This is a media podcast. This is what new media this is. What the hyperlink was born for. You know to be able to use the word Obama Gate in passing in a piece and linked to a helpful explanation of what it is which is to say. There's no there there that might be the best way to handle it. I don't know I mean you do have to identify it as some as being untrue in the actual text can't rely on the hyperlink to explain everything because that's the opposite of what would be useful but you but to give it. Words on. The page is almost as much the problem as to be wishy washy about its veracity. Yeah well I love all the solutions. We have way the big one is air quotes because everything every explainer. I looked at looked up by the way Tim. Miller's and the bulwark is really good. Susan Glasser on the New Yorkers website. Vox at several of them. It was always Obama Gate with quotes in the headline. As if that was enough to like okay. You know. It's not real folks right. So Obama Gate on Obama. Yes Obama game knowing way. I've only there. Were a punctuation you type in for sad trombone. That might urge. Just like slow slide whistle or something. I know exactly what the right sound would be but yeah I mean obviously you're trying to evoke something there that's not. I mean yes. The air quotes or the quotes in that case actual goats. Do serve a purpose but The problem here is that even though that you know the accusations are fake. Obama Gate is not fake. Right it is a real. The substance doesn't exist. It's folks it is a real hoax razor. The quotes are in some ways inaccurate right. I mean the quotes. Almost don't do justice to the depths of the hoax to to the the degree to which the hoax is going to spread. You know and So we have to take it seriously somehow. Even as we're you know we laugh it off. David let's move to something that never needs ironic distancing the segue the over were twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Please send your nominees to add the press. Box pod. David a couple more gags from the last dance. Who because we haven't squeezed every drop of juice from that orange yet member that scene in the tenth episode where Michael Jordan and the Bulls have won their final title in One Thousand. Nine hundred eighty. You know exactly where this is going. I see you nodding and Leonardo DiCaprio and France congratulated him in the locker room. It was an overworked twitter. Joke to post that picture of Rick Dalton from once upon a time in Hollywood pointing at the TV thanks to Hannah. Andrew Burke Stoller and Ken Bearup David. This one's a little closer to home director. Jason Hare ended the ten part documentary with the Pearl Jam. Song present tense. It was an overworked twitter. Joke to right the end of the last dance but I Pearl Jam. Thanks to Andrew. That guy saw that a couple of times and finally given Russia has a corona virus information chief now given the horrors of this pandemic. You might expect such a person to have a certain bedside manner a certain grace. Here's what Russia's Corona virus information chief actually said this week those meant to die will die. Everyone Dies Oh man. It was an over. Were twitter joke. Derived CONGRATS TO IVAN. Drago on his continued rise through the ranks of Russian government. Thanks to Eric Corinne. If you found a government official with less empathy than trump congrats made the overwork twitter joke of the week David. Let's talk about the call. Her Daddy podcast affair but I this message from a new podcast wind of change with Patrick. Radin kief Hi IPAD Kief a reporter at the New Yorker magazine. A minute podcast wind of change. I invested rumor. I haven't been able to shake since I first heard it years ago. It came from someone inside the CIA and the story was that the agency had written one of the best selling rock songs of all time. A song that changed the world so that was the tip that started me on the story and it only got crazier from their listen to wind of change a new original series from Pineapple Street studios crooked media and spotify right the notebook. Dumb Kyle Koster. Who works over there at the big lead tweeted this wondering if the press box gang could describe the level of passion and vigor with which researched the call? Her daddy situation. Ha Real Funny. We did it here. It is Not sure we're going to be able to top the cut headline which was what is call her daddy and why is it fighting? But here we go. Caller daddy was your typical overnight. Podcast sensation jovial is a issues. John renou right Safiya Franklin Alexandra Cooper. Both in their twenties met at South by southwest. Their origin story is that they started talking to each other about sex in a bar. In Austin people liked how frank their conversation was and as Cooper later said people came up to us and said you need to show because I would listen to this every day now. That sounds awfully pat. This is like Vitton the day that Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora bar and started jamming exactly okay. Franklin Cooper start their pot in two thousand eighteen. The barstool empire gobbles it up within weeks and gives it a turbo boost. According to The New York Times is Taylor. Lorenzo caller daddy jumped from twelve thousand downloads to two million downloads. In just two months. It's now a top twenty podcast and I don't know if you had this experience when you were talking to somebody about Barstool but I feel I did where people sort of lower their voice and go you know who's an even bigger star in the Barstool universe than PFC and big cat. It's the caller Daddy House that the near the true power. I felt like I had that conversation. Three or four times Alexander Cooper described. The pods appeal thusly quote uncensored. Real female locker room. Talk which quite frankly is just as nasty as guy locker room talk and we had no problem exploiting our experiences as well as ourselves for our listeners. Entertain now all that said on April Eighth Franklin and Cooper vanished. They just stopped making pods. David and Barstool leader. Dave portnoy offered a typically statesmanlike response. I actually sent Alex attacks after we had that conference call with the lawyer. The first time that my seventeen years of doing this I had never dealt with anybody as unprofessional in disloyal in greedy as those two. I'm paraphrasing. That was essentially it. I didn't talk to call her Daddy. Girls who prior to that. I thought I had a good relationship with. I don't know for four or five months and as everybody knows they just stopped coming into the office. Yeah I Dave Portnoy hijacking. The twitter feed is a in some ways. Totally understandable reasonable thing to do. There are a lot of people directing questions at him but also just a perfect day. Portnoy and Barstool waited handle the whole situation right. I mean the sort of breakdown everything including commerce lawyers and text messages. That you probably shouldn't have sent if you were just talking you know in with lawyers and and the professionalism and unprofessionalism airing dirty laundry here. But there's also a degree of you know ask covering a couple of points order really quickly one they did vanish on April eight. But I believe that this is only from scanning like reddit pages. I believe that like the the questions about what was going on with this. Podcast predated that a good bit there were. They were sneaking You know unexplained but telling names of podcast episodes through. They were sort of avoiding conversations about certain subjects. So it's been a long simmering sort of situation The whole issue of like whether it's demeaning I mean probably has kind of being demeaning to both sexes and also I guess that versus the the notion of empowerment there are certain degree to which the association with Barstool didn't help the the the accusations of being demeaning right. I mean you can say whatever you want to about Barstool but to take a company that's by and large like you know hell are created by men has a very like bro kind of point of view and to have this sort of Bengal those that certainly exploded the audience and it helped their fame and fortune and everything else. But you know it's there was a certain tension kind of inherent in that whole thing. That's part of what made it work? But it's also part of what made it difficult in the end now going back to the details of the split the fame and fortune that I just mentioned this sort of what's at stake here right because you have this podcast it's making. I mean it's just doing incredibly. Well I mean it's just reaching the top of the podcast charts like you said millions of downloads Incredibly huge social media presences for the host as I understand it you know. Somebody pointed out that like they could probably make a at some point based on their original contract. They could probably make more money. Was One like Instagram Post. Were they endorse a product? And they couldn't like annual salary right to the level they had reached and we kind of we find ourselves. And it's you know it's as kind of salacious as the podcast itself is. It lends itself to the salacious reading of the story and a certainly with barstool involved in the continent of the podcast. The hosts it makes. It seem like it's a perfect page story which indeed it was a page story right been. Kinda GETS IT KINDA. It gets it a story. That's actually not that unusual in this day and age. I mean it's this is a it is a very. It's a very pat sort of modern media story where a media company can create basically create a media figure or figures can make a podcast and take a podcast from anonymity to the top of the charts and then both because of the way the business works and become because the way that no one knows how to monetize podcasts. Exactly right and everything else they you can. You can feel like you've outgrown your original agreement or contract and like minutes you know I mean this is like it digs like a second for you to feel like you're being undervalued. This used to take years right. This used to take three years of a football contract if you're undervalued enough to sit out and and now it's like and and that's the thing nothing like people were just doing regular jobs that feel like they're undervalued. Don't even know how to bring it up now. Not only is it clear within seconds that you're being underpaid or undervalued or whatever clear to you but you have a recourse writing and you're not just sitting in your in your cubicle. Shrugging your shoulders and complain your wife or husband. When you get home all you have to do is go online. You see a million people telling you how great you are and how you deserve something better you know and you can just go on twitter and just be like man. Wouldn't it be fun to do a podcast somewhere else? And there's other that's not illegal and then suddenly you'd have like you know offers pouring in a completely agree sort of companion theory that is it. Almost everything in modern podcasting media world is traceable to Howard Stern in somewhere in other. Okay okay so let. Let's fall this recite. The the whole idea of what you just said is a sped up version of what Howard Stern did for years on the show I'm under contract to these people. I hated here I don't like it. I feel confined. They're not letting me do. What WANNA do? I'm underpaid given how much money I brought to this company let me out right year. It happens in this world more on Social Media Howard just set it on the show by the way it was actually just a constant sort of topic on the show. The other part of this. It's very stern. Like is evidence. That listeners were turning on the host of the show because they found out how much money they were making or how much money they could make because caller daddy likes turn and a lot of things before twe is based on the side of the. These people are just like me right. There are funnier. They're kind of like what I wish I as funny as I wish. I could be as frank as I wish I could be. A sub buzzfeed quoted Britney Danielle twenty-eight-year-old fan of the show saying Daddy. Gang is feeling really betrayed right now. Howard Stern's owned data gang. Felt very betrayed when he was making bazillions of dollars and seemed to become a different person right than the Howard and in the final part of. This is the barstool part about the dirty laundry that you just mentioned which is a total tactic from the Howard Stern thing right any backstage contracts. We are going to have on Mike because it's all content And something that seems genuinely like terrible and awful all that redounds to us in a good way and that to me is the depressing part about this. This makes me queasy to talk about Obama Gate because we are giving. We are giving Dave Portnoy. W right here just by talking about this. Because he loves this. Yeah right yeah for sure. I mean there's a you know there's the old wrestling adage pro wrestling adage that we all know that like the best characters as stone. Cold Steve Austin's whatever the or the people's real personalities with the volume turned out to eleven right and that sort of like the ethos one of probably every successful podcast that everybody's just sort of turning the volume up themselves a little bit to become just like you said the viewers or the listeners will say that's just like me if I could only if only I fill in the blank you know that's the volume being turned up but that's also the ethos of Barstool sports by and large that portnoy will when everybody else just sort of amp up the the silliness or the Anani or whatever else just turn the volume up on these backstage contradicts and go to and certainly. That's what Howard Stern did For a lot of these issues but the other interesting thing. I think that's exactly right. What you said about Howard Stern but one interesting tidbit of that is the sort of is that he would. He started these fights on the air before they were actual problems to the point that like when he actually left to go to satellite or whatever when he would actually get these contract dispute. You a little bit surprised to find out that the that the issues were real right totally. You'd like this wasn't a bit you know and but you start the bit so early the of the the privacy self-fulfilling right. I mean you you sort of you start. And that's an aspect of all media like you said for so long if you're if you're making if since Howard stern started if you start these fights on air the fight the fight sort of become legitimate but it's also sort of an element of social media right that if you let the little voice inside your head out to the world then you have to actually pre then you actually have to recognize it as real writing anyone would would normally would have been something you would just hopefully sleep off is now like the the devil on your shoulder screaming in your ear and that you know makes everything hard but you're right. We're giving this. We're giving this oxygen because it is. I think I mean I think people are going to point to it right in the future. There's always going to be a new number. One podcastone top ten podcast where the people feel like they're not being probably compensated and I think that people are incredibly interested right now in the podcast economy right and they're very interested in You know they're always going to be interested in in workers rights and everything else especially in terms of new media and You know it's it's it's it's a pretty pretty interesting story. Yeah and it's one of the roads to overnight stardom right I mean maybe be you know other than like you know influence her. You know it's a direct path right. And so you're I mean like this just feels like such a template. My podcast has gotten so big that my employer and my employer doesn't treat me with respect editor. Feels like we could just cut paste that for like nine billion things. Should we talk? I mean obviously there's going to be more to the story did we have we talked about the HBO component of this. Yeah so according to Taylor. The wren's Portnoy guaranteed both hosts. Five hundred thousand dollars a year to come back plus bonuses. Hooper was in by the way this is also reduced the length of their contract by six months. South and made a deal. This is hugely important. That would help them get the IP for the show after the contractors up. Which really if you do the math. That's there's not much more of the show left. If you take the amount of time it's existed and then subtract six months from what was not supposed to be a three year contract but anyway half a million dollars a year with bonuses that can put it over a million and And the hosts. Well go on you. Tell the rest well cooper in on that deal. Franklin allegedly out and Portnoy said this was because Franklin was dating an HBO Executive Name. Peter Nelson who was known. The show is suit man That happen here is also a little audio of Sofia that would be Franklin so Franklin telling her side of the story and after the meeting with Dave. That's negotiation started with both Alex to get a deal done. This is where the story gets extremely fucked up. I found out that Alex had gone behind my back done something and I found out it wasn't the first time and that's why we're here. I trusted Alex. I feel betrayed but ultimately she was my best friend and that doesn't change overnight and I'm willing to do call her Daddy. I really am. I just can't do it under this stances that she wants. I can't do it while. She's demanding that she controls the show. I don't want to be like her employees. We are partners. We've always been that way. We've always been fifty fifty and so it's putting me in like a in extremely tough position. According to Laurenz. This is not exactly going to be like Jay Leno and David Letterman. They may both wind up with pods on Barstool instead. A one big show you now have two big shows The same network I have a feeling is gonNA come out just fine in this whole thing. David let's do some listener mail. We do this every Thursday First question for Matt Williams David Sack the masked man show. Because we're all masked men now. I know that it's not actually true. But I did like the idea that you had given up the mass man program because you saw the literally. Everyone had taken your bit out on the street. Fantastic man show the answer. I'm glad you asked because Amancio is back. We have a new episode of as you're listening to this. Assuming are he'll producer. Jim Has Zach together and I apologize for my distance is a this is in some strange way. The mass man show is like this whole. There's a little symptom or microcosm of everything we've been going through. I really push pause on it because I was like. I don't WanNa talk about wrestler's wrestling in an audience. Free arena every week for the next month without really thinking that it was going to be months and months and months and dino and I just you know I'd figure out exactly I wanNA talk about it. So we're back we're back with with a vengeance and And just the fact that everybody's wearing masks you know it makes me happy and like everybody's part of the whatever the equivalent of the daddy gang is so this is Michael F David Brian. What's your power ranking of news streaming services that you definitely won't have time for while in family quarantine ooh Wait the ones that I'm not watching now yet. You definitely won't have time for man. Listen I hate to say at the? Wb Network has taken a huge hit in the quarantine era It's a lot harder to be like. Hey family gathered around. I have some top rope high spots. I want to show you but I don't know I don't I feel like everything is taken a hit now. News is taking a big hit I mean honestly it's just like the entire world is a negotiation between the baby watching the Disney APP and the eleven year old playing. You know a college degree or whatever on the TV so it's it it. There's everything's taken ahead. Amen this is for Meghan. Hypothetically David and Brian Become Bezos rich like bees level rich. If you could buy one media outlet to run which would it be and why now? That's an interesting question. God that became a lot more interesting with the horrible news out of the Atlantic today where it turns out being bezos rich. Or at least Laureen Powell jobs. Rich doesn't guarantee that your magazine Website Media Company isn't going to have a tunnel. Layoffs despite the fact that the Atlantic has been kicking asked during the pandemic. I think is universally agreed Boy That's sobering. Yeah it is. I mean. They've been so I mean I think is a CO worker tyler. Times pointed out there. They're doing really well right now. But they're still losing money and events in AD sales are obviously going way down. And there's there's you know they're they say the Atlantic says they're making themselves you know more streamlined for for the future. I know Brian. I mean this is a far afield from the question. I'm sure but you pointed out before when talking about sports media that maybe some of the downsizing we're seeing now as as as catastrophic and immediate as it seems is sort of like charting the course for the future in a really sad way but this is a it's really so it's really painful particularly the Atlantic. Do it. After as well as they've been doing for the past couple of months yeah I feel the answer to the to the original question by the way posed by. Megan is at least an arlene. There is an absolute hero. White Knight of sports illustrated out there somewhere. Even now like I cannot tell you. The goodwill that would accrue to a rich person. Who came said. You know what? I'm still. Let me go get sports illustrated and just and just try at this point. Maybe there's nothing left. Maybe it's been taken to such a bad place but that that is like the easiest way to being you know Time Magazine's man of the year at least in our world. What do you do? You have any part of you that like we'd just love to take your hypothetical billions of dollars and just reboots a dead paper like naughty. Not Not like sports illustrated dead. But like I'm going to bring back the New York Herald Tribune or I'm going to bring back like the wh what's what's the no longer would no longer in existence. Dallas paper like the news dispatch. Time's Arrow Dallas Times Herald and just run it like a pirate chat a lovely literary like newsgathering pirate ship for into the future so much. That is my exact fantasy in fact no joke and that would be it would be really would have to have. The bees owes money to endure the newspaper business at this point but that would be so fun and it could be the Fort Worth star-telegram be anything I and just pump it up. This is from Jay Malone. Was it odd that the last dance didn't even mention Michael Jordan's run with the wizards? I'm twenty five so that's literally all I remember of. Mj and would have loved to know his thoughts on how all that went down. Also what was the media consensus at the time? Marie his play. Do you WANNA start with the end. I yeah do we think. Mj would have been honest about the wizards stuff. That's interesting honestly like a lot. There are some kind of political enter. Mba political issues. That are actually even touch your than the stuff they dealt with. No last dance. When it comes to wizards ownership and what Jordan says he was promised and everything else I mean. I think that the practical reason is that they this was supposed to be. I think initially conceived as just a documentary about that last season and it sort of grew and grew and grew and it made a lot more sense to grow in backwards than to than to grow forward. I don't was. It was interesting but I think you know if you conceptualize it like you did last time of as Jordan's memoir whether or not he would have been honest about questions from the wizards. I'm sure he would rather his story have ended at the end of ninety. Eight Ninety six ninety seven season right. I mean that's for him. Where the important part of his legacy that story in. Yeah it's like Tiger did a memoir couple years back where he just talked about a very specific part of his career instead of having to do the life of tire which would attack us into some bad places to your point. I'm sorry I cut you off. Second AGO by media consensus re Michael during the wizards I feel. That's now had an uptick right. That was one of the things that actually got reevaluated. During the last dance content. Bonanza where people actually. He was pretty good as a wizard if we were all kind of disappointed at the time. And there was a kwami Brown's anyway. There is a book about that right. The Washington Post Guy Right at the time but Probably not going to be a standalone. Espn documentary this is BPM twitter. Are we looking at a future where ESPN descending live? Hits to wo- JR quote live within the NBA's campus environment? What would the best media members to serve as insider men in chronicle life inside the bubble? I think we we talked about version of this before but I wanted to bring it up again because this is absolutely going to be how we determined the status of insiders in all these different sports. Are you bubble worthy? Do you have bubbles because media is going to be very limited? We've seen there was a NASCAR race. Four reporters were in the press box and ask our last weekend. So they're only going to let some people in if you work for a rights holder. That is probably an advantage to you but the old sort of sign of you know status among insiders was do the players let me. Seidel with them. Right are the players. Granting me a private interview I think Bubble Status Bubble worthiness is the next true status. Symbol among sportswriter. It's GONNA be huge. That is definitely true But also thing to do something that has been a little bit under disgust. Is that if we do. Go to a bubble if the NBA or any other sport does move to a literal bubble situation. Right or some sort of like League-wide literal bubble is the right word. Here by the was not a literally actually been like giant blowing a bubble that that'd be really cool if they did. You're right and not exactly. They'RE NOT LIVING INSIDE THE EPCOT. Dome but But if they but but if they are effectively quarantined to league hotels and playing at the same place as and everything else talking about insider insider news. The biggest news. Coming out of this place is not going to be what happens on the court. It's going to be what happens at the hotel bar after the Games right so like people are and people are going to be much more interested in that. Unlike I mean the players get into arguments or players. You wouldn't expect to be you know they're playing each other tonight tomorrow night on you know surprisingly chummy the night before like whatever plan because if this is in Vegas exactly where I was going if it's an and so much as we sort of joked during the last dance about this sort of you know. A moderate shod element and I talked about magic. Johnson saying he was playing cards. Michael Jordan every night before he went and did the color for the for the next night. You're going to want a moderate shot right. A moderate shod at the Disney or LAS. Vegas Dome is going to be like the the the best insider or you could possibly have even if you can't be totally honest and even if he's you know skewing the evidence skewing the reportage in favor of you know whoever's best friends are. I would much rather here not rather but I definitely want to hear from somebody who was like at the card table the night before right. I mean isn't that isn't that like the most captivating part of the whole thing absolutely. Oh my God I can't wait for this. I honestly this is your Kendrick Perkins. It'd be perfect for this. Just put somebody put the ex player in there you know. Just give Charles Oakley like a million dollars to be just like to be a to be on the scene reporter and and just you know. See where it goes. I'll be excited to have basketball back but I'll be really excited. Have questing media members back one more note? Richard Marshall has an overworked headline issue. Why are there so many serious cases outlets love? This trope in the ringer is a habitual offender. The curious case of Bryan Colangelo in the secret twitter account the curious case of Mali's game and Net flicks of Elon. Musk in his twitter account of Paul Pierce in the wheelchair. And I believe we did the curious case of a moderate shot at least on twitter Couple of weeks ago. Serious case of headline writers we. We're done right up. Remember Grandma and it was the ballad of. I think we do have time the ballot of blank the curious case first of all now that has been pointed out this will be a message staff wide message. Copy editing slack later today and we will never see it again but yeah I think actually is it very similar to the Balata. It's sort of like a slightly more literary tinged way to say what another to do it another. You know another website or a blog would were they would do. That's weird colon and then the know the same second half you know her like what's up with a Elon. Musk and his twitter account. You know I mean it's it's just a way of framing it is slightly more thoughtful piece But it is you know those are a lot closer than that has a lot of examples speaking a straight headlines it is time for yeah. David Shoemaker guesses the strain punt headline Mondays headline about Australian politician. Dan Andrews reopening. The economy was one small step for Dan. Today's headline comes for Victor Florez. It's her meter. The story is about the cancellation of celebrity food. Person Alison Roman. David Roman. You'll remember gave an interview in which she blasted Marie Condo and Chrissy Teigen There was an uproar The New York Times has put her column. On pause eater notes there was a whiff of inevitability to the suddenness vociferousness of the anger directed at Roman would become ubiquitous things part to her knack for proselytizing extensively ethnic ingredients like to heaney to mark. Yuzu Ko show to a broader American audience. Romans critics charge. She would only a hypocrite but a racist one who had moreover very successfully capitalized on the ingredients of other cultures. Okay the key word here. David IS AWAKENING AWAKENING ALBUM. Roman had a particular kind of awakening. What was eaters strained? Pun Headline O? My God I feel like this should be obvious. And totally blanking air The normal kind of waiting to be a rude awakening right. This would be a not food to easy. Oh it's too easy. This is a strain punt headline here. Come on man route. Ram route are something you might make on a cold? Winter's night would be A. I'm stirring the pot here. I know I know in about a soup but STU Student know what stood awakening? Oh my guy stood awakening. That's terrible almost a little Richard territory. There he is David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis Research. Microsoft made a production Magic Bay. Erica savannahs that's them log rolling here. You're going to listen to Elizabeth says next new pod boom bust about the rise and fall of HQ Trivia which is awesome. Check that out when you have a chance. We're back Monday. Our interviews with the daily beast will summer who is on the right wing media. Cunanan beat that should be awesome. A jolt on twitter David that they are Joe Biden digital divide segment Coming to the press box Matt Damon is becoming too Jimmy Kimmel or has become too Jimmy. 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Joe Biden and Tara Reade, Sports Plot a Comeback, and Ahmad Rashad

"Hey Kelly and welcome to the ring podcast network. We're excited to announce our latest podcast launching this week called behind the billions coming from the two co creators of billions Brian Koppelman and David Levin give a behind the scenes look into billions season. Five following each episode's airing on showtime the podcast will impact the writing script exclusive stories from production interviews with cast and crew and much more. The first episode is out now so make sure to subscribe to behind the billions on apple spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Elo Media Consumers Ryan Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here. We got lots and lots to get. Today we'll ask. When sports comes back in the near future is going to come back on the Las Vegas Strip. We investigate off the latest installments of the Michael Jordan Documentary. The last dance. We'll talk about the curious. Figure of a moderate shod. What was he is unusual place in sports? Tv in the nineties. Or if I were MARV. Albert his unusual place in sports. Tv The nineties. Bless David guesses a strain punt headline and the overworked twitter joke of the week. David we gotTA start with the big story in politics. The last few weeks that is terror reads accusation of sexual assault against Joe Biden. Where I think we're still obliged to call the presumptive. Democratic nominee on. Friday Biden finally responded to read charges here. He is talking to Mika Brzezinski on morning. Joe Would you please go on the record with the American people? Did you sexually assault Tara Reid? No it is not true. I'm saying unequivocally Ed never never happened. Didn't never happen. Do you remember her. Do you remember any any types of complaints that she might have made. I don't remember any complaint. She may have made. It was twenty seven years ago and I don't remember nor does anyone else that I'm aware of and the fact is that I don't remember I don't remember any complaint ever having been made have you or your campaign. Have you reached out to her? No I had not reached out terrorist. Twenty seven years ago. This never happened and when she first made the claim we made it clear that it never happened. And that's simple as that. I watched that interview live. I thought that I mean I think that clip shows by. I think kind of striking the right tone if one takes him at his word but there are other moments where he wasn't as it concise and he wasn't a straightforward and I don't think that diminishes his credibility necessarily but it sure it certainly diminishes the It certainly underscores the political problem. This is going to be for him you know. I don't WANNA I. I feel icky making this a political issue so quickly but in some sense. I'm not sure that we can litigate. The morality of it and even if we could this actually become a political issue in that's You know enlarge part why it's a media issue right now clear. When he went into that interview that he had been told to emphasize two things. Twenty seven years ago number. One a phrase he repeated over and over again and then the phrase divergent size phrase. It never happened Which he also said over and over again to your point about the being a political issue. I'm amazed right now at how many whenever I read a piece about this. How many ideas and kind of competing forces are contained within the story me to obviously this idea about whether an accusation is itself disqualifying We've seen a lot this week of this. The idea of will democrats except the standard that they pressed on Brett Cavanaugh against someone in their own ranks plus beyond that into the political point. You mentioned there's all this disatisfaction angst about Biden as the Democratic nominee that existed anyway. And then I think even beyond that. There's this sort of democratic soul-searching about what if any compromises should we make in our mission to defeat? Donald Trump in November right. You're saying you know we heard all the time the only thing that's important is beating Donald trump right. That's all that is that is the thing. Well you know how what do you sort of you know. Look away from if that's the way to do it or or sort of put your hands up in the air if that's the goal. We've seen people tease out. That idea. Should we do the procedural stuff? I just to kind of. Put some of the facts on the table. Here let's do that Tara. Reid was a staff assistant. Biden's office in the Senate from late. Nineteen Ninety two to nineteen ninety-three last year. Reid was one of several women to come forward with complaints of inappropriate touching by Biden. This is the stuff about Biden stroking women next putting his hands fingers in their hair Cetera et CETERA. She made this new allegation in a march. Twenty fifth episode of Katie Helpers. Podcast she's describing an incident in the spring of Nineteen ninety-three when she says she was delivering a bag to Biden. Then Senator Biden in the Senate building. This is graphic but here's a long cliff from that podcast it. It was like the side area and He just said Hey Tara and then I I handed him the thing and he greeted me. Remember my name and then it we were alone at. It was the strangest thing. There was no like exchange. Really he just had me up against the wall and I was wearing like a skirt. And you know Is a skirt but I wasn't wearing. Stocking does kind of a hot day a day wearing heels and I remember my legs had been hurting from the marble. You know the capital Like Walk Sir member. That kind of stuff. I remember like I was wearing a blouse. And he just having up against the wall and the wall was cold and I remember he. It happen all at once the gym bag. I don't know where it went handed to him was gone. And then he his hands on me and underneath my clothes and Yeah he went. He went down my scrape at the up inside it and he Penetrated me with seniors and I he was kissing me at the same time and he was saying something to me said several things that. I can't remember everything he said. I remember a couple of things I remember him saying. I like as he was doing it. Gene WanNa go somewhere else and then him saying to me when I pulled away he Got Finished doing what he was doing. House pullback and he said he said come on man her she liked me. It's that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might have said. I can't remember exactly if you said I thought I heard but it. It's like he implied that I had done this. Like I dunno and for me it was like every everything shattered in that moment because I knew like we were alone. It was over a rate. He wasn't trying to do anything more. But it's I looked up to him. He was like my father's age. He is this champion of women's rights in is and I couldn't believe it was happening. It didn't seem surreal. Numerous media organizations As you might expect went out to report on this New York Times Washington Post business. Insider reads brother has come forward and said that he she told him about these events One of the strangest details. Dave is this nineteen ninety-three episode of Larry King Live read. It said that her mother called into the show to tell a version of these events at the time. Let's listen to that clip. Staffer would to do. Besides go to the press in Washington. My daughter has just left there. after prominent senator and could not get through with her problems at all and the only thing she could have done was go to the press and she chose not to do it out of respect for him or she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for. She didn't tell them. The New York Times and their investigation could not find Biden. Staff members to corroborate any details of reads allegation. They right in fact. Biden's top aides. So they don't remember. Read at all much less. This allegation read says she filed a complaint in Nineteen ninety-three. This David has set off a haunt for the complaint itself which may be in one of two places in which Biden's files are stored read then told the AP on Friday that the complaint did not mention sexual harassment in those terms but though she said it perhaps described behavior we would know as sexual harassment. So that's about where we are now. We can probably pass over any sort of you know sort of accounting of of reads twitter account things like that but I kinda wonder I think a couple of things. Let me put it this way. I Alex Burns The New York. Times said this on twitter the other day I believe and I would totally agree. Which is we're still in fact finding phase about this and I would I would sort of encourage everyone with a big take does just sorta wait because and it's not that there's GonNa be some huge revelation but there's this feels like the time for reporting doesn't not and figuring out what we're going to be able to learn about this. Yeah Yeah I mean I understand. Obviously the argument from say the other side that that seems a little bit crass but certainly like there is a there is a Line of thought on the right that the mainstream media and other various powers that be are sort of trying to hide this story and trying to you know. Slow walk the investigation and and You know hide it for lack of a better term and I mean obviously the point of comparison. They'll make and that other. You know that anyone will. It'll come to mind for anyone. Is that Brian Kavanagh hearings. There there are. There are functional differences. I'm not sure if any of them matter. Functional differences are one I mean for all intents and purposes the fact finding mission for the cavenaugh accusations were over as soon as they were made because it was going to inevitably be one person's word against another right and then there's obviously like I mean the the confirmation issue in some sense it had to be fast tracked in order to have these issues raised in time for confirmation and the the the parallel confirmation for Joe Biden will obviously be the election. The reason why they had to go. And all this going all this history of bring Kavanagh's because the Senate was or was making a permanent decision. We're they were selecting someone for permanent role in the Supreme Court right but all that I mean. Obviously this case is very different than that one in those ways but it does feel insufficient justifiable. I mean if if you're if if you feel that this is is not moving sufficiently fast enough or you feel like that. that You know he's not the Joe Biden is not getting a sufficient amount of critique or skepticism at this point. I think that's a legitimate feeling right now it does feel it does. There is the sense that even though we are so on the investigative phase that you know it's it does seem to be moving slowly. Well it's an interesting question right. I saw Tom. Cotton Republican senator from Arkansas complaining on twitter that the MSM. The mainstream media acts like bodyguards for the Democrats and then he included a link to a New York Times column by Ben. Smith about how the media wasn't booking Tara Tara Reid's on television and you're like you're like well this you realize this story is from the New York Times. Which is what you're kind of accusing by by Thank you it is interesting right. That story. The rand business insider was turned down by Vanity Fair Ben Smith and the aforementioned column rights at the non-fox Cable Channels. Wooden book read write and read had sort of said at one point that she was maybe going to have an interview on. Fox News this weekend but she's also said I'm just trying to kind of wait to get someone meaning a TV host in the middle. I don't WanNa be pigeonholed as a progressive. I don't WanNa be pigeonholed as a trump supporter. So there's a sense that Smith as why. Why hasn't she been put on television? When as we've seen with Cavanaugh hearings other people have been put on television to do a major interview and she has not yet in whether that is sort of some kind of double standard. The I think the other weird kind of media manipulation you've seen as from team Biden that there has been this distribution of the New York Times story that I read from as if it completely exonerates Biden. It does nothing soar right. It's just purely a story about. Here's what we know right. Here's what we can find out from. Read from people. She talked to from people in Biden's office. It just lays out the facts that story. Whatever you read. That story does not say that Joe Biden that nothing happened back in nineteen ninety-three so and even to your point of to the point about factfinding. There's also a very very good chance. You know who knows what this document will show. If and when it's found in the national archives but there's also very very pretty good chance. I think that this is about the level of information we have going forward. And then it's sorta up to the Democrats or whomever to figure out what they're gonNA do or not do. Yeah well I mean talk about you. Know the mainstream media lining up in Joe Biden's defensive search. Terry's name the first thing that comes up is a op Ed from today or yesterday saying it's time for Democrats choose to go with plan. B or defined plan B. I mean so. Obviously that's not. There's no monolith in support of hiding these things and frankly I mean you know critiques of bias. I think are one thing. This sort of like organized you know operation to protect Joe Biden is just ridiculous on. Its face because that was look like something different than what we're experiencing now right. I mean. Msnbc would not make Joe Biden go on and plead his innocence. They would just ignore the allegation altogether. Right The New York Times would just say we just have people saying passing. That's a lie. That never happened right. I mean th the best defense would look different than it goes without saying. I don't even know I'm wasting my time on but there is a bit. They've been Smith Gum where he interviewed Dean McKay about why it took nineteen days for them you know from the first allegation or the first allegation for them to report on the thing and you know the K is a compelling figure and he's simply his his logic is sympathetic but it's empathetic in some ways. Because you see that you give you very quickly get to the end of like you. You wear out the extremes of journalism logic right like you can just see someone's going with their gut and you know to say that like that's not the lesson that we have learned in the METOO era would not be inaccurate right. I mean you the dean vacation some you know anyone in his chair probably shouldn't be in the position deciding just to not cover something for three weeks based on where we've been over the past year but it's you know it's it's definitely a tough situation. Yeah and it's and it's easy for us to say right. Why don't you get a story up about this? What what is what's taking so long you know whereas if you're the New York Times you know that whatever store you print as we see with the Biden camp sort of misusing it is going to be treated as sort of a definitive word or at least a partially definitive word on this topic right so you WanNa to be incredibly careful about getting it right that you're not putting something out into the universe that turns out to be wrong. That turns out to miss something. Right there turns out to elevate or downplay something. I mean you're just trying to get a thousand things right there so I do have some sympathy for that. We use surprised at all about the number of democratic politicians who came to Biden's pretty immediate defense. I was interesting because Reid said this to buzzfeed. She says it was really devastating. When Kirsten Gillibrand Stacey Abrams and Hillary Clinton all on the same day just basically implied. My story wasn't true and they believe Joe Biden. I can't describe to you what that felt like. I cried for a while. She continues because they're important in my life. They've been figures that I looked up to. Yeah I mean yes it's I mean it's you can understand why she would feel that way and I would and it and it was sort of surprising to see somebody. Everybody come out so forcefully. If there's any evidence of conspiracy maybe that's it. I mean you know it's third degree or whatever but like right whether it's conspiracy or just old fashioned rallying around you know your friend the Canada right or maybe those. Maybe those mean the same thing I don't know but in this case it certainly feels like listen regardless of whether or not the accusation is true and maybe this is what the people rallying behind Joe Biden. You're telling themselves there is an aspect of political resurfacing of of this charge me the way that the the media on the right and trump himself are are treating the matter feels like pure politics. It feels like the playbook trump was using four years ago when he showed up at the debate with the. You Know Clinton accusers. Bill Clinton accusers. He tries to mitigate his own flaws his own campaign liabilities. By saying you know you did it to like this. This isn't a me thing. This is right in. Confuse it as much as possible. Yeah exactly I was so fascinated by the way a feature this to see both the Big New York Times and Washington Post investigation pieces that like a third of the way into the peace. There was this huge paragraph. That's at by the way. Donald trump is way worse. No matter what you think about this allegation was almost like this is our what aboutism shield. Because everybody's GonNa come to us and say you're you're falling you're gonna do but her emails bid again about this and there were these big paragraphs in there. There's like no we're not. We're not equating this by the way you know many many more accusations against Donald trump in there are against Joe Biden. Just one minor point the you know trump and this isn't really in his defense or anything else but you know what the one powerful thing that he has is that he'd never claimed the moral high ground. So it's fine to say he's contradicting or you know that. He's being self contradictory these blaming someone else for something that he's done. But you know I think to a lot of people out there especially the metoo skeptics which there are more of than you know we know you know the kind of just desert aspect of what of this the just the political side of it I think is probably compelling you know. Trump didn't claim to be morally superior. That was that that that's what it is perceived that his opponents of them couple of thoughts going forward on this as we think about this issue in the coming weeks and we'll certainly talk about it again here. This is from the Washington Post Ruth. Marcus he says what would make this decision and that means to replace Biden is the Democratic nominee. If it comes to that so difficult is that the imperative of defeating trump is so powerful. This is not an ordinary political contest against an ordinary incumbent ensuring the trump does not enjoy another four years in office may be enough to justify egregious hypocrisy but it would be hypocrisy. None the less right. She's she's getting at that idea here. The Democrats are so desperate to be trump. And what does that mean? What what does that push you to do that. You might not do. Under normal circumstances Alec Spreen has piece in the new republic resisting. The idea that the Democrats choice here is either to stick with Biden or re-elect trump. He says no no no. That's a false choice right. The primaries are not over because the primaries never happened to begin with. There's plenty of time between now and November so if the Democrats decided at some point that they should replace Biden. They could do that. There's nothing to stop them from doing that. If again. That's the decision they ultimately came to about this so just to ideas to keep in mind as we go forward. I and all I would say is if there's any part of this it's like the conspiracy theory or whatever else that's compelling to me this point and this is so minor in so imaginary but if Biden were disqualified today than Bernie Sanders would be the nominee and all those people rushing. Joe Biden's defensive. I think if pretty clearly staked their claim that they don't want Bernie Sanders to be the nominee. Well that's what I mean. That's what I mean when you think of the the cross currents going through this right and that's not to impugn any particular person right but there's just a whole lot of you know down the list. Somewhere there's a whole lot of other things coursing through this story. Yeah and part of it as well. What happens if we get rid of mine? Who's the nominee and I didn't like Biden to begin with anyway right or I wasn't sure about Biden. Ryan Zinke really deserve the Democratic nomination? Anyway thought he was just kind of you know the safe the quote unquote safe choice. Now maybe not the safe choice. I duNno I mean we've already gone through the Ukraine scandal. I'm sure that it's going to resurface soon. And now this I mean I don't know if I if there's any such thing as a safe choice in this day and age certainly not running against Donald trump but it does seem more fraught than ever if you hear David. I having a lack of Certainties and big takes in the segment. That's on purpose by the way because more to come and I WANNA read more before. I have any big opinions about what should happen. What's going to happen? Are David Time for the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag? That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Send your nominees to at the press box pod on Friday David New White House Press Secretary. Kaley mcenaney brought back the White House briefing. It had been awhile and she made this promise to reporters. I believe pledge never to lie to us for that I will never lie to you. You have my word on that. It was an overwork twitter. Joke to write that in fact was ally. Thanks to Steve Fester and by the way. Not just a joke. Because according to Daniel Dale and company mcenaney mischaracterized a Friday tweet. A by trump about protesters Michigan gave an inflated figure for the cost of special counsel Robert Muller's investigation et Cetera et Cetera. So we're we're we did not keep that promise even through the end of the briefing. David did you read about murderer. Hornets anytime over the last forty eight hours. They certainly saw a lot of headlines about them. If official name is the Asian giant these Hornets have invaded North America. They have a really cool orange and black. Look they look like they could have been a transformers. Character from our youth The New York Times reports at Murder Hornets quote can wipe out a beehive honeybee hive in a matter of hours. Decapitating the BS and flying away with the thorax is to feed the young so murder. Murder Hornet cuts off your head and carries your chest back to feed its babies. That is what murder Hornet does. He can't murder. Hornet will also attack you if you're not a B. One entomologist went to destroy a hive and got attacked. He described sensation is like having red hot them. Tax being driven into my flesh ooh murder Hornets. By the way. I read this piece in the Physical New York Times on Sunday and I was like. Oh that's kind of a cool nature story. I'd go to twitter. Maybe I should just you know. Just tweet the link or something and like. I saw that my one of my favorite Dallas sports radio hosts was already putting pictures of the murder. Hornet up on okay. We're done here. This is this is reached saturation point. I have nothing to add anyway murder Hornets. It wasn't over twitter joke to write legally until they're convicted. We have to refer to them as alleged murder Hornets. Thanks to Theresa clift. If you married insect humor and the pedantry of a veteran city editor congrats. You made the over word twitter joke of the week. David let's talk about a plan for sports leagues to come back in Las Vegas. But I this message from the ringer. Canes Bill Simmons. I wanted to tell you about a new podcast on the ringer podcast network that we are launching this week it's called TV concierge. It's only available on spotify. These are twelve to fifteen minute. Many podcasts that review the latest TV show streaming on Netflix Amazon Hulu? Hbo Showtime fx Apple TV. Wherever else really do shows that are launching. We'll bring down the biggest shows that just launched. We'll review the biggest binge-watch seasons at DRP as they happen. It's our new. Tv concierge podcast from the ringer podcast network thinking that like a little bit of a playlist. Pick and choose the ones you want and listen to. It's available only on spotify. Our David the notebook dump sports are trying to come back. So I hear We've seen various harebrained plans. This one stood out. It was an Friday piece by the New York. Times is Kevin Draper. Mgm Resorts International has pitched basically every sports league except the NFL on a plan to bring back sports on the Las Vegas Strip mgm which has an ownership stake twelve hotels in Las Vegas as proposed creation of quote a fully quarantine. Campus draper rights. Essentially one full block of the Las Vegas Strip where players would live and play out. Whatever schedule The league? Once the league's wants gives me the athletes would be joined by their families. League and broadcast media employees as well as a staff and vendors needed to serve them so in other words instead of the plumbers convention. That would be happening on the Las Vegas trip right now. we would just replace those with athletes and they would play their season there. What do we think of this? I mean practically it sounds like a good idea right. I mean I guess I think people have been floating some some variation on this idea since the epidemic kind of took hold like. Why didn't you just like? Let's send every and athletes to the you know some enclosed space and let them play for common enjoyment the middle a lot of bio dome's proposal. You've been a lot of bio domes. I obviously there's De Las Vegas. There's Disneyland has an option for you know where some of the basketball can take place. At least I mean it makes a certain amount of sense right. It's like they're trying to solve a problem in the first place. You should look. I mean maybe you can solve two problems at one time and the you know look for places with totally empty. Tourism Industry is. I mean the places that depend on the tourism industry that are suffering so dramatically from absence of that right now it does seem though like it's sort of a proxy fight like we're very very interested in working out the logistics of how an NBA season could look because that is a conversation you can have on twitter and how to come up with a vaccine is not a conversation you can have. Yes it's much more fun to say. Can we play sports at Disneyworld than to talk about like the six months of clinical trials? We need for the vaccine. I'm a little weirded out by just picking places where it seems really fun to be any way for sports. Like just confining possible venues or sports least places. You would have a bachelor party. Is that the idea here? You do point out about Vegas. Twenty five percent unemployment draper writes Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Control Group Goodman. Remember her tells the times we're unique and we depend on crowds and now we've become a Mecca for Major League sports. You can't enjoy those things in life worthwhile if you limit what people can do. I believe the article also said that The casinos would be open for the players. Know players are in the support personnel. The only ones in these LAS VEGAS HOTELS. Under this proposal but the casino would be open. Which seems really like the reason to put. This is why they're there right. I mean this is not what we've got a place for you to play. But most importantly the tables will be open. Where does like Caesar's palace is Empty? Except for the dealers rank on your list of like night at the museum. Like what like like fantasies. Yeah Yeah it's really funny. Because in the last dance they made a big deal out of Michael Jordan going to Atlantic city to like two thirty in the morning on a game day. That would be every day if the NBA's there no need to go to bed right. I mean you could just you just kinda come back. That's the whole point of a casino is issued never really need to stop being in public. You could just go eat you can go. You know. Play play some play some cards. That'd be pretty great man. I gotTa Tell Ya you have your loved ones. They're your friends your teammates. And there's no line at the steakhouse in the Mirage or whatever. Yeah I mean that could be pretty fun. I do like this race to become the hero of the sports comeback. Think Peter Schrager and Simmons. Were talking about this last week of like Jerry Jones possibly swooping in and bringing everybody to North Texas because he's got a nice practice facility the early. Hey we can have the whole NFL here. Just everybody's kind of competing to be the party host for the comeback as like method goodwill. Right accrues to you. Elena lets the Las Vegas Casinos. WanNa bring sports bag. I feel I feel good about them. All of a sudden as opposed to a place where I just go and drop money. Let's talk about Ahmad Rashad for a second if you're watching episodes five and six of the Michael Jordan documentary on. Espn last night. The last dance and you weren't a child of the nineties. You might have discovered a curious figure. Nbc Sports is a moderate shot. Rashad David was the host of inside stuff. Sideline reporter Maybe most notably though a Michael. Jordan Confidante Yeah and in one amazing scene last night. Rashaad was driving with Michael Jordan from his house to the NBA Finals Right. So if he had to submit an expense report to NBC sports that week he didn't need to expense the limo to get to work because he was writing with Michael Jordan. There is a scene last week. I think it was last week where he was in the team. Play on the team plane or team bus but off camera and someone and there was some conversation whether or not one of the players was was richer than a moderate shod. Germs like nobody monitored wishes that he was that rich. That sent me down like a thirty second rabbit hole of trying to imagine what a modern shot. It was getting paid in the nineties or whatever I have no frame of reference for that but yeah he was just sort of even when he's not on camera he's there he's he's present you know and he's omnipresent. You might say omnipresent. Yeah I there seems to be I mean God the the journalistic ethics violations are just. I'm not sure what the you know inside. Nba inside stuff. Code of conduct said back then but it wasn't just that there was also the and obviously this is an extreme example but there was a thing about Magic Johnson who is calling the NBA finals that year. Spending every night and Michael Jordan's hotel room. Right I mean in cards playing cards. Which is obviously you. Don't you don't get Magic Johnson on the broadcast team for his down the middle. You know unbiased I but still it did seem like there was he was probably to some extent he was probably there because he was gonna spend every night and Michael Jordan's hotel room and the Madre shod probably fits that description to although modern shot is an incredibly talented broadcaster proximity to Michael Jordan. I mean before you know. People gave Brian were shit. For being too embedded in their Lebron James Camp and totally unjustified there was a moderate Shaw who is like just basically like you know. You haven't nights out on the town in like Michael Jordan. All our lot even in salt wind horse by win Horses Upton Sinclair compared to mock Rashad. Bring Bring Brian in here. He's he's a journalist the first of all not seriously the point. I just don't want anybody to think that like six pairs and I don't want anyone to take that from what I said the point that I only WanNa make is people are very interested in that critique in the modern era people are very interested in busting reporters balls or just or by trying to hurt. Somebody's career by impugning their journalistic integrity that anybody was interested in in the nineties. No you're not as much anyway. I think he would have seen the media critics of that age. You're Norman Chads and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure I remember them. Taking shots at a moderate shod. Like the buddy buddy done with Michael Jordan. That was a topic. I'm pretty sure I mean to explain. Ahmad Rashad of the kids. Imagine somebody who had very genuine athletic credit himself he was a really good wide receiver in the NFL. Who had a friendship with Michael Jordan and who had no conventional journalistic ambitions whatsoever that was Ahmad Rashad? And it was also. I think David is worth it. Was this particular moment in media. Because by the time the Bulls get good. Which is the period in this. The walls are really coming down between reporters and NBA players. Right in the in the eighties used to be able to go in there and talk to Larry Bird Magic Johnson. That is Kinda done right. Yeah but it's still an old media world right we don't. We don't have twitter in that kind of stuff so I think the way to think of a moderate shot is kind of like a Prequel to the player's tribune right. You're fairly Ho. He was a guy like Michael Jordan needs to get needs. Do say something. Let's get a moderate shot over here. In fact there's literally happens in the dock last night. I think it's more than ninety three finals where they've been talking about. Michael Jordan's gambling problem or or gambling. Let love love of gambling. And he's like calls a moderate. Let's do the interview right now before game one. I'm going to wear sunglasses on television. Which isn't incredible Mug and we're GONNA get everything out right here. That was a moderate shot. That was kind of his lane on television in the nineties. Yeah I mean honestly. He has more of a role and my memory. My basketball memory is growing up than almost any player right. I mean he was like I mentioned. Nba inside stuff. He was always doing courtside stuff or like player interviews. He was just he was omnipresent and back then too you know and in basketball media before there were all these basketball talking heads every fan name check right. I mean he was. He was one of the originals. Hemin Peter Vesey who sort of been a missing voice from this documentary. So far but Villanova is Jim Gray. Yeah Jim Gray for sure but yeah I mean it was a moderate shod was I mean is just such an incredible character an incredible character and seeing him zinc catching up with him. You know he still looks great. He's so I I don't know how plug Danny still isn't a Jordan verse but seems like you plugged in because I would see you'd see the thing is he's basically a mostly retired from television host on on sold him here but like at the NCA tournament every few years. You'd see him sitting with Michael Jordan in the stands like they were still doing a post game interview. He just he was he had never monitored out. It was still on the beat. You know this is basically the rationale for every podcast that exists. It's like hey we're having these conversations anyway. Why don't we just pick up a microphone? Oh absolutely a moderate shot right now would be hosting the boardroom on. Espn like the Kevin Durant because somebody asked us. This is chip says WHO's Today's Ahmad Rashad. Dude has literally been low key in every episode of this of this show and I think that's probably the right the right sort of character today. Right if Michael Jordan. Been playing in an era where he was making media shows in a way that like. Kevin Durant is now are similar Ahmad would have been the guy he would've chosen to host the show with him over sure. Oh like the barber shop of the of its date like Ahmad. Can we get a modern? Here's a MoD free But even without that Ahmad an incredible run I sound wikipedia he hosted NBA inside stuff. Nba inside stuff was was if not remember. This was a Saturday morning. Show Yeah Kinda ran alongside cartoons on Saturday morning. Altro it was. It was the segue from cartoons to the real world. Yes that's good yeah right and then there's a televangelist came on after. Nba inside staffers. Other amash run you know something like that he hosted NBA inside stuff for sixteen years. I got carson like run on inside stuff absolutely absolutely incredible. But yeah like when we think of like doors burr. Her basically anybody. Who's on the sidelines? Now they're not really comparable to a modern shot. I don't think they're comparable at all. They're more comparable to Jim Gray. I think it would be the more of the COMP in that age and by the way I'm missing in this documentary. Marv Albert was apparently not interviewed. Peter Vesey you mentioned who is not. Only one of the biggest. Nba Writers of that era but a big presence on NBC. As well a missing Jim Gray so far at least a missing Bob Ryan. Where's Bob Ryan a missing Jack McCallum back in the ninety s back in the eighties? Cbs NBA days. I'm missing Pat O'Brien We're these guys. I know you can't get everybody but really no MARV WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA leave out MARV. Yeah it sure looks that way. I mean listen. The documentaries built on the archival footage everybody else's just telling the story but it would be nice. It would be nice cost us in Marvin and cost us. We have sorry They would. It would be nice to see MARV that that's for sure this thing it's interesting this and maybe we'll talk about this more down the line but this whole this moment in ninety three which is essentially what part of the episodes were about yesterday when all this gambling information comes out on. Michael Jordan and you and I were young back then and it was so shocking because there was no Michael Jordan you know. Read it where you could go to and go. Oh Limp lemme. LemMe find out all the stuff. People are whispering about like that didn't exist so essentially you had commercial Michael Jordan on the gatorade AD or the Nike ad with Mars Blackmon. And then he's called to testify in this trial. This book by Richard Escapes comes out which I said on twitter last night that I had my mom drive me to the bookstore to buy because I could not drive because I was so eager to read it. The book is called Michael In me. Are Gambling Addiction. That dot dot. Mike cry for help because it was not about all this stuff like I gambled with Michael Jordan but I am having a cry for help because I am addicted to gambling. Myself says Richard Keenest I. I only barely remembered the existence of that book and And definitely I mean watching it on TV last night. I wasn't sure that it was actually like a real published book. I'm Kinda surprised to hear that you went to the bookstore to get it but I guess this isn't the day before like Amazon dotcom publishing so I guess a book was a book was a book back then. It dropped like a bomb because there wasn't a way to find out that kind of information other than like in a book or a newspaper story and again. How much was your local newspaper covering Michael Jordan on a daily basis than in the NBA? Finals are in the NBA playoffs. Like most likely you're reading about your local team is not go. Get an out of town newspaper but I do want to see and I want to see where this dog goes in the next in the next episode. When Jordan retires for the first time because it did feel to me a little bit like the media was being made this boogeyman kind of an. That's definitely true. You know were ticking. You know all those reporters getting on Michael Jordan for going out and gambling till two thirty. I'm sure there were some very huffy takes back in the nineties. I guarantee there were but Michael Jordan. The most famous basketball player in the world gambling in Atlantic City till two thirty in the morning during the Eastern Conference finals. I'm sorry that's a story. It'd be a story today. Michael Jordan being called in a gambling. Trial you Lebron. James called a witness in a trial like that. Of course that would be a story. Of course I would be historic. Was It overkill. I'm sure it was with some bad takes. I'm sure there were but this idea that that mean all media made Michael Jordan Mad. Come Man I don't even like the implication last. I totally agree with you So don't so what I'm about to say is not. There's no I mean. Take it for what it's worth but I think for those of us who aren't regular media media scrum participants and I think the vast majority of people viewing this fall into that category. The clean the to host this podcast by the way. Go ahead one of the most incredible. I mean just really like one of the one of the few things that floored me as a writer you know someone in the media world was just the the scrum. That Jordan walked into every single night when all the other teammates were out the back door and he was like guys. I gotTA GO DO media. And he walks out the side door into where where there are what conservatively like thirty people with cameras of. All various kinds and microphones all already shoved into the corner. Where Jordan will stand and he has to just go. Stand all these lights in his face. I mean I'm sure everybody watching is like Oh. They really can't see anything when they're doing these things you know what. And the fact that he was able to engage with people there seemingly on a human level was pretty incredible to. I mean that just the whole thing was listen. The media should not be made into a boogeyman. Certainly but at the same time. Man I was I was sort of wowed at what he had to go through on a regular basis absolutely. And that's what I'm talking about. You know in terms of like the walls coming down right It had just gotten so popular. You know popular with magic and Larry. I'm not denying that stuff but it had just with the Dream Team with the nineties with Jordan himself with Jordan being such a commercial icon additional an NBA icon. It had just taken this huge step and you know in a way Michael Jordan was just meeting. What was this kind of inevitable? Step up in the coverage. There was going to be more of it. There was going to be more skeptical coverage there was gonna be coverage that unearth things. He didn't want to talk about like gambling unless it was Ahmad Rashad during the interview. But he didn't it was just you know it was sort of this inevitable place and we can talk about you know. Was it bad and we did it. Change everything and all this stuff. I mean it leads to where we are today right where you walk into any. Nba Locker Room. You know with the exception of some small market really bad teams and they are just a ton of people in there. Yeah I don a people for your regular regular season game much less. The playoffs of the finals are less. David Shoemaker guesses a strain punt headline Whoop Whoop Mondays Headline About Donald. Trump was in bleach him. Today's headline could I guess I was waiting for a laugh? Today's had like us from Alex. Panhandle hope you're seeing your name right. Alex Pawn Hans Pantheon's its from the Associated Press those camps of the AP. David they were reporting on the Miami Dolphins Release Of Defensive End Taco Charlton former failed Dallas cowboys draft choice Taco Charlton. So I need a headline about the dolphins getting rid of Taco which has a slight eating in the time of Corona virus reference. What was the AP's strained Pun Headline? It's not Charlton to Charleston Chew Charleston chew out would be when Taco was reprimanded for for not Charlton Tro Charlton chewed up and spit out. Oh that's good so it's a Taco on going for here. Yeah Yeah Taco NO Social distancing closed. What is it How do we eat in? How do we? How do we interact with restaurants delivery? Yeah right we wouldn't eat inside the restaurant. We would get it to go tacos to Taco to go dolphins order TACO to go. Oh yeah that's a good one pretty solid for a wire service. He is David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis. 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The Reopening of America, a 90s Dennis Rodman, and the Lysol Presidency | The Press Box

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The Reopening of America, a 90s Dennis Rodman, and the Lysol Presidency | The Press Box

"It's Bill Simmons. I wanted to tell you about a new podcast on the ringer. Podcast network that we're launching this week it's called TV concierge. It's only available on spotify. These are twelve to fifteen minute mini podcasts. That review the latest TV show streaming on Netflix Amazon Hulu. Hbo Showtime fx Apple TV. Wherever else will preview new shows that are launching breakdown down. The biggest shows that just launched will review the biggest binge-watch seasons that drop as they happen on Monday. We're launching three. These all mini pods mean. Amanda Dobbins Will Break Down Little fires everywhere on Hulu. That is a terrible show. Trust US chase. Arado and Jason Concepcion will review extraction on Netflix. Their new action movie Julia Limit. Tabula season one of too hot to handle the netflix dating sensation. You can listen to one. You can listen to all three. It's up to you. It's our new. Tv concierge podcast from the ring. Our podcast network. Think of it like a little bit of a playlist. Pick and choose the ones you WANNA listen to. It's available only on spotify L. O. Media Consumers Bryan Curtis. David shoemaker of the ringer. Here we got lots and lots of great stuff to get today in honor of the latest episode of the last dance documentary. We'll explore Dennis Rodman as a nineties media figure how differently would he be covered by the sports writers of today? We'll talk about Donald Trump and LYSOL? What else can we say? Well we'll try. Plus David Guesses. The strain pun headline in the overwork twitter. Joke of the week. But David I want to start with the reopening of America on Friday and again today we had a handful of states kind of unbelievably return to a state of somewhat. Normal life. Restaurants are open. Barber shops are open. Gyms nail salons. I WanNa try and backburner are knee jerk. Lefty political reactions just for a second. 'cause you may not approve of this happening but these scenes. I think are kind of interesting because this is what all of America is eventually going to look like when and if we come back online and I kind of want to get our reactions to what it's GonNa feel like to enter a reopened America. Let me I take David to Fairbanks Alaska. Ooh And the roundup steakhouse and saloon. Very Nice wood-paneled looking restaurant. According to the New York Times photograph the roundup steakhouses open for Dine in. You have to make a reservation so that they can control the crowds. You just can't just walk in but you can eat in the restaurant. Do you want to know what fast casual dining is like in the age of Corona virus? Lease yes Tommy. The bartender is gonNA wear a mask because at the Roundup Steakhouse The Times report. She was wearing a mask made from the cloth the wrapper of a bottle of crown. Royal Whiskey that seems about right now. The bar owner in town says he's got a forty foot long bar but he can only have four patrons at a time because they've all got to be ten feet apart so you know when we used to go out back in the old days and we'd love it when you get lucky in the seat on either side of us would be open so you have a little more elbow room. Guess what they're going to be nine seats that are open next to you now and we're shouting at each other from four or five seats away and Yeah I. I think that's the idea people in Fairbanks that is the customers. Wear a mask into the restaurant. They keep it on when the server comes to the table to take the order and then the server brings the food. And then you take your mask off to eat the food now. I don't know if you put it back on when the server comes over and says is everything okay. Can I get you a refill on that Diet Coke but I guess I WANNA to ask you. Let's say it's not some of these governors who we might think are rushing into reopening the economy. Let's say it's Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo who gave the all-clear. Would you feel comfortable eating inside this restaurant under these conditions? No absolutely not. I don't even know this is so far away from my current state of mind. I don't even know what the criteria were would have to think about this for a while. But it's sort of like I mean I for we've talked about what we WANNA do the most talking going to eat it. You know this sort of chain fast casual chain restaurant. I desperately want to but I just can't even I mean there's part of me I can't even imagine doing part of my dream of going to the local Texas roadhouse or Tgi Friday's or whatever is going there safely you know not like a preponderance. Oh we're all doing the best we can under the conditions. The dream is going there with nothing to worry about. Yeah I mean every time I see a picture of food from one of these restaurants like if you showed me the the case Oh dip from chilies or something like that or You know particularly good looking chicken sandwich. I'd be like I'm ready to risk it all. That's it I'm ready to go but then you talk about that. I'M GONNA put a mask on. This survey is GonNa come over to my table order through a mask and only dropped the mask when she brings the food and then leaves again or or he brings. The food leaves again. I don't think I'm in. No this is like I mean for after all we've been through in the past three months or whatever. I can't imagine making a conscious a conscious decision to make my life. Feel more like a dystopia future. I got it. I don't like what is this. Is that like what if I asked You? Six months ago like it showed you a picture of like servers wearing masks in the bartender wearing masks employees wearing masks. What would you guess you would have guessed like? The joker was on the loose again and we have to protect ourselves against whatever like serum getting floating around the air. It's it's the doesn't make it's just nuts. Why would you and like I said it's easy to make fun of this and to go. Ha Ha look at these people who are taking their lives in their own hands but I have a feeling this is going to be America writ large. Even if it's you know four or five six months down the line half filled restaurants four people at a bar. Everybody wearing masks. We're going to have to get used to this. Let me take you somewhere else. Collegeville Texas we see you tarrant county listen to this report from Friday from the local station there. Nbc Five so we've had people from Garland and Mansfield and just all over the last two days. Outdoor seating in Collegeville has become quite popular. So we've been stuck in quarantine for so long and finally someone's letting people on the patio since two beautiful Gamer board and we've been cooking a lot of meals at home last week. The mayor of caudill eased rules and for the first time in more than a month restaurants with outdoor seating can now serve customers in person. You know sales of course tanked when this all happened but the last couple of days have been exciting. Ted Prices the owner. Of course Evita fresh Mexican grill in Collegeville. He says they're still following the social distancing guidelines. They've played patio tables six feet apart. Employees are wearing masks gloves. And they're constantly sanitizing tables chairs indoors during the best we can to be wise in be precautious tailgating glories our white because of the physical distancing patio space is limited and wait times are long so people are camping out at some restaurants like Glorious and we just got out for an hour and a half and waited while. We drink our MARGARITAS. I would just like to say formally despite what I said prior to that club after Just seeing and to some degree imagining food both glory is and I believe it was Costa Vita healthy Mexican food. I retract everything and I will happily wait in a line amongst sick people for an hour. I in NYC chips and Salsa Adam but good frozen. Margarita tex-mex is the line. Isn't it absolutely like Real tex-mex real quote Unquote tex-mex? Yeah I agree and if you could see the video here this is what like your classic Texas suburban Strip Mall which you know you and I grew up around in an everyone's either waiting on the bed of their truck or in the little strips of grass to get into the restaurant. It looks like may fest in Fort Worth Accept Outside a Mexican restaurant Does it make a difference to you mentally as to whether you eat inside the reopened restaurant or only on? The patio of the reopen restaurant. Is this is happening? I mean I would say. The patio feels a lot a lot less risky. I'm sure statistically it's probably not but only I'm not an outside eater I mean I'll eat outside but usually just the date and whatever where beat on the sidewalk or in the backyard. It's slightly distracts me from just the pure joy of consuming gross stuff But this is seems like a case where I don't WanNa get I don't want to. I wouldn't want myself to be fully seduced by the interior of one of these chain restaurants. It's part of the experience. Yes but it also. I don't think I would have my wits about me. The same degrees little fresh air. How about a haircut? David this may apply to me a little bit more new none. No Mine's growing out. It's growing out okay. You need a trim. Uk Oh underwood owner of the Good Look Barber shop in Marietta Georgia till CBS's taking the following precautions. He has masks and gloves. Each workstation at the barbershop is equipped with Lysol wipes and hand sanitizer. He can remove every other barber chair if necessary to kind of spread people out but of course. This is a haircut right. A barber can wear a mask during the haircut but a haircut is still a pretty intimate experience and for some reason when I when I was reading the story I kept thinking of you know how the Old School Barbara does a thing where they do like the hot shaving cream on your neck in the straight razor. Do I have to move like the the back of the mask up? You know so they can get to the neck and then move it down so they can trimming in the back. I just can't imagine doing that right now. That's even more intimate than like a restaurant setting right. You're being fussed over when you're getting a haircut right that that's the whole point. I've heard a lot of chatter over the As everybody over the past month or two about haircuts and I gotTA fess up. But someone who's used as only had a straight razor or sorry has only as clippers true my hair for the past literally twenty years It's a little bit alienating. I do go to the barber shop. You know to get my head shaved the only since you know the beard trimmed too but the degree to which the need for a barber shop is sort of occupied into some degree. Monopolize the conversation. Reopening America has been a little bit stunning. I understand like the social aspect of it but you know they will get all stay in the letter. Hair grow for a few months right. It's not fun when your net get shaggy but that is not where I'm going to draw the line tex-mex may be. Yes but that's not where I'm going to draw the line couple of big ideas coming out. All this that I think are interesting. I think at the beginning of the corona virus pandemic here in the US. I naively imagined. Okay the viruses GONNA come. It's going to be terrible and then at some point maybe in the distant future we're going to get a big thumbs up from a political figure who says okay. It's okay to resume your lives. Everybody and we all kind of would walk out door at the same time. That's clearly not what's going to happen with this. It's more like well. If you WANNA risk it go ahead You are free in some states to go out. I was amused by this. Anchorage Alaska's Mayor Ethan Berkowitz told The New York Times at. Even the restaurants are open there as of Monday. Berkowitz was going to be sticking with takeout from the time for the time being so the restaurants are open. But Ethan Berkowitz is not going to the restaurants in his own city thiede. We saw fairly dramatic example. This with the Las Vegas Mayor who was on Anderson Cooper. The casinos are open. But I'm staying home because I've got a family for God's sakes so we're not going to get a moment in American life where you know the drawbridge comes down and that's a signal. It's totally based on. Do you WanNa take that chance. And how willing are you to take that chance? And that's You know a wonderful and Randy and fantasy of how Civilized Society should work. Unfortunately that's I don't think it's GONNA prove to be particularly functional. This is one of those situations. Where despite the specter of big brother and and all other forms of government of Russia? And this is what. The government's job is both on a national level and state level in a city level. They're supposed to be the ASSHOLES. It's a No. You have to stay inside right now so the we don't get to make these decisions for ourselves because when we get to make these decisions for herself you and I people who blather on about how serious. The situation is on a biweekly basis. Would go sprinting out the door into a cloud of corona virus for some case. Oh right now right. That's the problem and we can't and the idea that every just like you know what we trust you to be safe I am in. I am in the Wilderness right now. I am as far away from New York City as a tank of gas and You know AIRBNB. Registration would take me and all it took was people just batting their eyelashes at at the end of social distancing on the nightly news for seven for stuff to start opening back up their our farm stand open. Now that we're not open four days ago and that was certainly not open two months ago there tourist things that are nominally. Just there for tourists to be tourist. Locations are now are opening up all of a sudden and sure they're probably doing it safely and all the things we've closed all things reopen. They're probably some of the best options are open air etc etc. But just to see the sign as I was driving by day was sort of halting it it is and say by the way same here. Huntington beach beautiful weather this weekend. Classic California Spring Weekend Sunshine. Everything guess what was open here in Huntington Beach. That's right the beach parking. Lots closed the some of the street parking there on the Pacific Coast highway close but the beach was open. And I'm walking around and down main street. All I see your people headed to the beach. It was like they close the parking. Lots of Disneyland but left Disneyland itself open that was the effect and other beaches around here in. Orange County are closed conversation. Everything every single person. That's out there on the beach. I'll let me let me qualify that ninety six percent of the people who are walking to the beach right then. You know conversation. They had a right before walking to the beach. You think we should do it. Well they say it's okay it's open it's open. You know why it's open we should we should go to the FBI. I agree. It was really funny because I saw trumpy protests. I know said we're working to get political but I saw trumpy protest right across the street from the beach down here and and these guys want him had a a CNN. Fake News t-shirt and other one was holding up a sign that said shut down the shutdown. Shut down the beach across the street from you is open dude. It's not shutdown. It's open you go to the beach. Go take a dip surfers. Going by on their bikes with the boards underarm. It's absolutely incredible and I think that brings up another point I wanted to make. Which is the re opening of? America is going to be wildly different region to region and even block block on that news video. We played their restaurants in the Cali. Ville Texas Strip Mall. That were not open. While some of those tex-mex places were churches in Georgia were allowed to reopen by governor. Brian Kemp there but several including the Catholic Dicey said No. We're not opening so as we sort of go back into society. I think we'll find that you know like half of society. A quarter of society is open. Even when the rule? Say It's okay or at least don't prohibit you too. What a strange feeling. That is to To combine with a dystopia elements. That you talk about. I think I think we're going to hear his this idea that it's a free country. I found this raises week. Tarrant County Judge Glen Whitley. That's where colleague Texas's tells NBC Five. He'd prefer everyone follow the same restrictions but he wouldn't insist on it. Well it's a Free Country. Whitley says this isn't a police state. Can we argue that? There's a difference between full on police state and hey the beaches closed for a few more weeks dugout. Everyone sick probably a happy medium to be found between those two. The other thing is the reopening of America. David will not be motivated by science so much as boredom and gut feeling crisp. This and are knows. I thought this was interesting. According to an analysis released Monday Harvard researchers instead news. Thirty one states are not performing enough tests to even determine a safe reopening timeline. New York New Jersey would need to be performing a hundred thousand sixty eight thousand more tests today to create such a timeline but neither state has plans to reopen states now. Attempting to reopen are also not meeting those testing thresholds. Georgia must do around ten thousand tests per day. It's been averaging four thousand Florida sixteen thousand in the last week. It's been hitting just over ten thousand so again it's not like you're hitting a benchmark of any kind. It's not like you're saying well here's the number. It's not totally safe because we're doing. It's just pure gut gut plus. This isn't a police state. It's a free country so feel free to go out and You know have some Mexican or some maybe some barbecue down there in Georgia. Yeah I mean this just feels like I just. Can't I just feel queasy watching the news? I mean even to see our nation's beloved governor Andrew Cuomo being credibly cautious and seemingly demurring from you know setting any sort of dates or timelines or whatever but still kind of going going through step by step with organizational processes to reopening the state. Rabih feels like he's already sort of I mean and maybe the maybe has to do it but it feels like he started to this record to reopen and You know if he's Ryobi if he's caving in I think I feel like we're all going to be caving soon. I just think that I hope nothing terrible comes from this. But it's terrible is what I'm about to say sounds I mean. I know that sounds terrible. I guess is what I should say but like I just hope that we move at least somewhat slowly enough. These other states that are opening moves slowly enough that win. Something inevitably terrible does happen. There's time to put the brakes on. You would hope so you would hope so but but I'm not sure what that's going to be. Yeah you mentioned Cuomo he. He did sort of a sub tweet earlier today. Saying protecting public health comes first all decisions. Meaning a New York will be data driven as opposed to it. And you talk about the pressure open. That that's an interesting question right. Because is there public pressure to open these things? Kinda right the surveys. We've seen all across. America have shown that while most a lot of people want to reopen the economy and return to work there. There are not overwhelming majorities. For any of these things Americans are somewhat surprisingly. I think okay with hunkering down. They won't be that indefinitely but in the near-term they've been very very good about hunkering down the pressure such as it is come from the White House from politicians like Brian Kemp and Georgia and from some of these. Very small scraggly protest movements that we've seen in the various states but I don't know that there is overwhelming public pressure right now. I think this is just you know. Let's do it and be legends kind of reopening by various authorities around the country. And I think there's probably more pressure than you and I realize but were not necessarily surrounded by the people who are you. Know the sources of that pressure. Yeah I mean I I feel like there's a lot of people that still don't understand the gravity of the situation and as such an even and even if those people are those people who presumably the ones who are the source of any pressure. The governor's maybe feeling is it. I mean I I just feel like the people who are more the people who were nonplussed enough to not understand why we're in this situation. Why were saying inside again are probably the people who want to be left up the WHO want to give their own volition decide whether or not they should keep them so say's but what good thing we didn't get political and that's like men are clipped by the way from from Texas this is more from NBC five and again not casting judgement here but again as a preview of what the world is going to look like over the next few months? Listen to this rationale about why one chooses to go out and eat as local and state leaders debate the timeline on one to reopen these customers. Say they're ready. I Know Kelvin. Seriously and all that. I'm ready to get back to normal. I feel like this is a good test. What will be will be? And if you get sick stay home work. Our Way through the challenges day by day and sooner or later it'll it'll be back to normal there. It is all right. David Time for the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. There was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Send your nominees to at the press. Box pod a piece in politico last week. David said that Joe Biden was toying whether to use a digital firm owned by Mike Bloomberg for his twenty twenty online effort okay. The voters resoundingly ejected rejected. Mike Bloomberg for president. But he's got these wonderful toys. And the Bloomberg Campers the Biden campaign might wind up going with that first digital strategy. It was an overworked twitter. Joke to the path to the White House in two thousand twenty goes through American Samoa. Thanks to Michael t elsewhere in the News David. This week And I think this one wins the overweight joke of the week if you're watching the NFL draft last Thursday. You notice that Green Bay. The Green Bay packers spinney first round pick on Jordan quarterback despite the fact that they still have legendary quarterback Aaron Rodgers playing and playing at reasonably high level. Sounds like it could be kind of tense with Erin No. It was an overworked. Twitter joke to Right Erin is gonNA love Jordan like a brother. Thanks to Eric Reynolds. Did you see what he did there to? Jordan during renders the basket you discover the content stream that fills both the ringer. Nfl Show Bachelor Party and the press box congrats. You made the overworked twitter joke of the week. David we're going to revisit the worm himself Dennis Rodman but first a quick break. David if you're looking for a perfect gift for mom or another loved one this mother's Day you need to check out skylight frames nowadays. Staying in touch with those love is more important than ever and the easiest way to do. It is with skylight a beautiful photo frame. You can email photos to anytime from anywhere. 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Rodman an outsized almost unavoidable pop culture figure of the ninety s he dated Madonna. He married Carmen Electra. He wore a wedding dress to promote a memoir and he wore nothing meaning he was naked on the cover of said memoir. And Oh yeah. Dennis Rodman kicked absolute asses the basketball player. Let Gary Payton explained. That was the fucking person he just fucks. Everything s showdown where he wanted to. It was always a challenge them players and changed again just vice-presidents if we're thinking about Dennis Rodman is ninety media. Figure I I'm David. How do we explain? Just how big. She was during that period of time. It's hard to even answer the question because Y- you WanNa compare him to another athlete but the frame of reference is so skewed outside of Michael Jordan who can hardly be categorized as a famous athlete. He was just a famous being. There weren't any really famous basketball player to be a celebrity B. Crossover celebrity is something so utterly different than to be a professional athlete. In in this era and Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman was a household name in era where there were probably only three basketball players that were household names right now. I mean he was. I mean if you asked you know the metaphorical or the the hypothetical my mom you know my actual my actual mom would you say or even literally was flew in basketball. We watch a lot of basketball around the house but but even still I mean. Most Grandma's MOMS would know you know probably Jordan Bird Magic Pro Scottie Pippen. As part of Michael Jordan run off at that point I'm not sure the list would go much deeper than that. M. And Dennis Rodman was certainly had more cultural relevance than than anybody except maybe Jordan burden and magic and at that point. Maybe everybody except for George. I think he was arguably at least in the timeframe of this movie made in the late nineties. Ninety seven ninety eight that area. I think you could argue. He was the second biggest in cultural terms player in the NBA. Behind Michael Jordan. I don't think that's a stretch at all. In this documentary. He has a sit down with Barbara. Walters Norwood a huge deal. Getting the Barbara Walters sit down was I mean in the ninety s like the guest list was Dennis Rodman like Boris. Yeltsin was he has bestseller bad as I WANNA be a huge book all the revelations from that book became individual news stories during the book tour. He announced he was getting married and then arrived at the book. Signing in a white wedding dress the idea was he was marrying himself by the way. I forgotten that that actually happened at a barnes and noble in your helmet. Most interesting thing that has ever happened. Culturally speaking at Barnes and noble. I also forgot that. That book came out in. May of nineteen ninety. Six like when the Bulls are about to win a title Can you imagine weeks away from playing the NBA? Rodman comes out with a book. Yeah his hair color was a thing such a thing. What will Dennis Rodman's hair look like tonight He had that incident where he kicked photographer. Remember that at a during a basketball game when he went outlying into the things Bill Clinton and I read this old Stephen Rodrick profile of of Robin Bill. Clinton was moved to comment on that. Saying I'm sure. In his heart of hearts he regrets doing that. I'm a big Rodman Fan. President United States said that about the Dennis Rodman kicking incident. He was a wrestler. Kinda like Gronk is but I feel way bigger than Gronk. You know as a As much as Gronk has tried to inflate himself into kind of a modern day facsimile. And then just the fact as you point out. He playful Chicago Bulls. You know he was already this kind of provocative character and then he gets put on the Bulls with Jordan Pippen when three straight titles. So now you can't dismiss him as he's good at basketball and kind of this guy doing his own thing it's like Oh my. Gosh. He's a three time. Nba Champion so he not only has cultural CACHET BELLY. Just red meat. Sports Radio CACHET as well That's a that's actually a really great list really breakdown of of all the ways that he was significant. I keep coming back to the fact that celebrity in the nineties was just defined in a different way and I don't even think it's an easy thing to put your finger on because it was sort of an era in search of a definition of stardom but great way. But but it was. I don't know I mean the the idea that I mean we were. It was an era where like Howard Howard Stern interview could be. The biggest thing that happened to you know for a month you know but which just seems wildly like a radio interview would do that but it was something where but there is a degree to which it was just sort of everyone just kind of stopping and pointing at a thing being relevant like it wasn't we didn't. I don't know it's so hard. It's so hard to put a finger on but there was a there were there. Were a lot less rules and I guess it's sort of applies to Dennis Rodman but the fact that you were allowed to release that. He was allowed to release the book when he did that. We saw in the documentary. He was allowed to you. Know take trips go beyond wrestling shows and stuff like that. Obviously that was the Bulls Organization. Add to allow them to do that but it just seemed like there was so much less structure you know around. I mean if if if a player like tried to release a book or a documentary or something like that on the eve of the finals like Adam. Silver would appear out of nowhere with a battering and tie him up. You know I mean like there's no way that it would happen and it was but to a certain extent Dennis Rodman I. It was his his entire persona was existing in the sort of negative space around the expectations of a professional athlete. Like nothing under the rules applied to him. You Know I. Yeah I am most wondered if there are actually more rules. And he was just had this amazing ability to attract people's attention because whatever Rule formal or informal. There was about going and being a wrestler during the NBA playoffs Does Rodman was breaking a rule. Chur because I remember the way that was talked about. You know he was. He was breaking all kinds. I just feel an in a larger sense that he looking back now and I don't think either your I realize this at the time. But he just scrambled the circuits of nineteen ninety s media culture Completely I mean I was. I was thinking about this as we're put together notes this morning in Nineteen ninety-one Wilt Chamberlain comes out with that book. Saying he'd slept with twenty thousand women I years after that. Dennis Rodman a fellow basketball player. Fellow sportsmen comes out with the book and writes a following to hang out in a gay bar or put on a sequined halter top makes me feel like a total person and not just a one dimensional man continuing to quote here. I paint my fingernails. I color my hair. I sometimes wear women's clothes. I WANT TO CHALLENGE. People's image of what an athlete is supposed to be On the one hand you have the kind of like singular image of this is what an athlete is right. Then you have Dennis Rodman coming along going. Oh not that simple. Not that simple. I'm not going to be categorized by that. I love this interview. He did with Oprah Nineteen ninety-six. They just got finished. Talking about women's clothes listened to the way Oprah back in ninety six talks about sexuality. Listen to the way. Dennis Rodman talks about sexuality. Saying to me you are not working. I believe you would tell me so I think so. Are you bisexual? No you're not sexual you do say well. You don't have to flawed or not a plus. Okay you do say you do say in this book you say that maybe in your mind you are. What does that mean I could deal? You can look at the idea that can float with without however you WANNA look it. I can do anything. I want Up here at can do. I think a lot of a lot of people. A lot of people can say to you. Say Well I can be with a man in a lot of guys that can be with a man. Yeah can you city you thought about it or you just say thought about of course? Of course I mean if you said that if I asked one of these guys have to be with a man on all. That's just disgusting disgusting. How do you notice discussing? How do you know it's disgusting? I don't know you know I'm not going to go out there. I'm not going to go out to enshrine it but I'm just saying that you don't know man that's why over would make such a good president because she can say something. In retrospect is like totally indefensible. But it just like that. Somehow just the the the syncopation ever voice just makes you feel like it was totally okay. Robin was why I think the biggest thing that we forget about Dennis Rodman and in this people have our generation to how lucid he was right. I mean just how at the time it did feel like a publicity stunt and rewatching a lot of the footage you realize that it wasn't right or or it was the most well put together one lizzy son of all time. But that he was just being. He was expressing himself in a really sort of thoughtful unclear. Way at a time when the world was not equipped to hear what he was saying and he was given this incredible platform by virtue of who he was. You know by his who was a professional athlete. But you know he was if the world is ready to give him a platform. They weren't necessarily ready to listen to what he was talking about. Yeah if you ever want to Explore the attitudes about sexuality in the Nineteen Ninety S. Go Watch that episode of Oprah which is on Youtube and see what the crowd applauds for and doesn't blood for It's a pretty interesting thing. But yeah you're right like Oprah is doing by the standards of Nineteen ninety-six a pretty sensitive interview. I think she's taken very seriously. You know she's not casting aspersion during like that but you see what she's doing right. She's trying to say okay. I've got these three one of three boxes. I WanNa put you in in terms of your sexuality your this your this. This Dennis Rodman is up there on national television. Saying it's not that simple writing human identity. Human Sexuality is not as simple as you're making it out to be and I'm not going to put in one of these boxes right and I'm not gonna be shy about what I think in my head you know and I'm not also going to be but if I have a stray thought or or more than a stray thought not going to be pigeonholed by that either. It's complicated and it's funny to see just to remain perspective. How far we've come with all the discussion. We have in this day and age about platforming and D platforming and everything else. That Oprah was more than happy to have Dennis Rodman on her show. Give them the space to say whatever you wanted to say but then also be like. Hey you people in the crowd if you don't like gays I'm not gonNA. I'M NOT GONNA get in your way you know. Like I don't WanNa lose any viewers over your homophobia but But I am GONNA GIVE DENNIS. Rodman the chance to speak here. Everybody watching was just like yeah. Zoom in crazy at the beginning of this interview there was a parental advisory from Oprah. Like your kids may be big basketball fans but you may want to have them think twice about sitting in front of that. That was how Dennis Rodman was handled at the time I got and and I do WanNa get one thing because I want to get a bigger question here about how Dennis Rodman would be covered today if he were an NBA player in twenty twenty. Let's say as a member of the Lakers playing with Lebron as helping trying to help Lebron another title or or the warriors or whatever you mentioned publicity stunt right all of Dennis was kinda covered like a publicity stunt in the nineties. You cannot argue that there was not a lot of publicity stunt within the package right. No matter how Sherston he was I mean he he was. He had ways of very very. You know being very deliberate about I am going to get everybody's attention today I'm GonNa no matter what I'm going to send me to get everybody's attention and just to just underline that even if I agree this was a lot of it was INCR- most of it was very very deliberate. Dennis Rodman's part but even if it weren't even if this were just the extra expression even if he woke up and he said I went on arrive at my book signing in a wedding dress in you know whatever car he like it still took a PR team to like the to arrange the arrival at the you know at a given time through the streets of New York through crowds or would like it was a it was not just it was not just like You know a man innocently wondering in in a in a wedding dress. Yeah and it was a handsome by the way if we're being specific about how he arrived at that bookstore is Dennis. Rodman would spare no expense. It's funny because the sports meet is completely changed right in a lot of ways. Cincinnati's they're much more pro athlete. Now they're much more willing to defend athletes all right so I think on the one hand you could probably argue that Rodman would have had a lot more backup you know when he disappears when he goes on this education in the middle of the season to Vegas that we hear about in the last dance and doesn't come back. You certainly had people that would be mad at him in two thousand twenty for that or you know kind of writing. The column like Dennis needs to get it together But I also think he probably would have had allies more allies in sports media and more people who were parsing his words a little bit more and say look. He's saying something important here about identity about sexuality right when he has his episode where he considered suicide when he was a member of the Detroit Pistons at he also wrote about in his book you know and the Pistons and that led to this break up which is also in the documentary the Pistons. I think you just would have seen a lot of sports writers and media. People come to his defense in a very different way than they did in the nineties. Yeah I think that's true. I also think though that he would have fit into a different sort of framework in the modern era altogether. I is what I was kind of getting at the very beginning of the segment that I think that even though he was distinct in so many ways from anyone. That's even come after him the fact that there's so much publicity so I mean I think the natural inclination would be to group dilemma. An with you know this is like James Harden Dating Kardashian. Sort of you know this is a publicity. That's how sort of understand publicity stunts in this day and age. What he's doing was wholly different. Don't get me wrong but I do think that. Despite all of this stuff he would not be the second most most famous basketball player in the world. Today right I mean. I think that there are other people who are more crassly going after a PR stunts. In a way that kind of has gotten more attention their athletes with you know greater cultural cachet just by virtue of being you know celebrity endorsers and whatever else but. I do think that you're right that he would be treated totally separately. I mean totally differently by distinct portion of the of the media the other thing the other the flip side of that though is that there are we saw this with Kevin Durant era warriors. How it ended up the biggest issue in the team had ended up being the way that they were being covered right. Not It wasn't that there was any personality disputes over and over again so much as like your allow your allowing a situation in which to happen in which reporters are asking me about you every day and that becomes the biggest problem between and that certainly could have been more of an issue. Would it might have been more of an issue in the modern age than it was back. Then when it's sort of wild that like Michael Jordan was on sportscenter every day or was on. Espn everyday just being like guys. Quit talking about Rodman. Were good like I like everything he does. I it's with my okay but at the same time who knows maybe if Jordan were asked about that every day by someone in the media by someone with a television camera the he might have reacted differently. And can you imagine if that trip to Vegas? He takes the millis season and documented by camera phones. Twenty twenty so. It wasn't just like Oh. Dennis is off somewhere but on twitter like every ten minutes. We were getting live feeds of Dennis at the craps table Or having a drink in a bar. I'm not sure. The craps table is ways that we needed to worry about yet. Imagine if you know how we do on twitter now where we find these little moments from games and blow 'em up right in a little some you know reading lips right Russell. Westbrook like secretly eating food in the crowd. Imagine what just absolute crazy source of those moments. Dennis Rodman would have been and speaking of like people asking Michael Jordan about stuff. Just imagine Jordan every day or Lebron getting a question because somebody blew up something from a game. That's on satellite again much more easily accessible than it was in the nineties and is like look juicy with Dennis did did you see what he said to Klay Thompson in second quarter. Did you see that? I think that would have been just crazy. And he had a bunch of those anyway in old media. Yeah I mean. I think that it's wholly reasonable. Even ask had we had that era existed today. Not just him. But the entire you know if we had the level of media scrutiny. Then that we do today would he have even got made to the Bulls if the way that he has a Detroit Pistons a tree of the balls chump Scottie? Pippen Litany of other things if that had been replayed and bows locker rooms every night for the you know for for five years would even have been accepted to walk in the door. I mean it's it's there's so much would be different so much would be different. No absolutely and the other thing about Dennis from a ninety s perspective. He's part of that generation of athletes. So I think I said this. One time donated his body to sportswriting. Oh yeah that's great so many interviews. He is still giving interviews You know he was super accessible. Very shy in his manner almost softspoken. But you know like profiles. Dennis Rodman from the from the nineties. There were so many than there. Was this kind of series of Dennis. Rodman you know. Sixteenth minute likes rider. Stephen Roddick's was in the early two thousands of New York Times magazine. There's just been so many when he did when he tried to get clean a found this out from his wikipedia page. He did it with two. Different Reality Shows Celebrity Rehab and then sober house and the impetus for him. To get clean was an appearance on celebrity apprentice. So make that three real shows. There's also you know I don't Wanna I don't want to sweep aside to. There's a lot there. Were some definite darkness here too and some bad stuff domestic violence charges at least one of which ended in a no contest plea this whole North Korean diplomacy thing that brought him this strange little boomlet of attention couple years ago. Chuck Daly Former Piston coach. Now deceased in a father figure Rodman tells Stephen Rodrick. That's Dennis's problem. He's lost himself. He can't see where one starts in the other ends. He's talking about his image. He's convinced he has to play up to that. I know that's not him. The shy kid I met is who he is so too. There's this whole kind of afterlife stardom to. Yeah Yeah I mean and you have to. You have to wonder how much his treatment post stardom would have been different if he had been handled. If we'd digested his life in the modern era right I mean he sort of part of a kind of laughing stock class which is sort of exclusive his moment of celebrity right. I mean it's A. It's not a certain kind of celebrity but it was almost like like we were saying before it was a culture as a culture. We didn't know exactly how to define the sort of celebrity that exist outside of movies and movie stardom and there are a lot of is feels like a lot of the people that kind of got were brought in that. Broadly defined category were sort of. You know didn't end up better for it. You know for for lack of a better way of saying yeah and maybe in this kind of thought experiment. He has his own instagram account And his own twitter account right. This kind of weird. You know documentary thing about him. He's just you know speaking directly a lot more Instead of having to wait for the celebrity apprentice to call and kind of you know use him as pop culture kind of detrimental or whatever. Yeah maybe maybe it's kind of interesting. Like what would he have said on that? I can't even imagine. Let's do one more segment before we do the headline it's called the LYSOL presidency You've heard the soundbite now day we just have to revisit it here. Donald Trump last Thursday road tested another off brand cure for the corona virus. Injecting yourself with disinfectant. Listen up I see the disinfectant. We're not sit out in a minute minute. And is there a way we can do something like that By injection inside or or almost a cleaning because he gets the lungs and it does a tremendous number. It'll be interesting to check that so that you can have to use medical doctors with but it sounds it. Sounds interesting to me. So we'll see but the whole concept of the light the way kills it in one minute. That's that's pretty powerful. All it's GonNa take is one terrible and knock on wood terrible airline try to tragedy for president trump to get in front of a microphone and do Jerry. Seinfeld's why don't they make the whole airplane out of blackbox routine like this like it's bad work? Shopping stand up and somehow this is what this man seriously. Thanks passes for like rational thinking. I don't understand. I don't know if my favorite detail was Dr. Deborah burks sitting offstage while he was saying that with their hands clasped in her lap like she was waiting for a loved one to have surgery or the Lysol account on twitter that is at Lysol. Tweeting reminder Lysol disinfectant and hygiene products should only be used as directed and in line with usage guidelines nevermind. Dr Trump. Joe Biden tweeted. I can't believe I have to say this but please don't drink bleach. When you've set up Joe Biden. You've said something monumentally stupid. No my dad. The other funny thing about this. David was his whole gang of trump allies. That comes to his defense. Whenever he says. Anything they defend the indefensible Kaley mcenaney New White House. Press Secretary said the media took trump's words out of context Breitbart did a fact check saying in fact trump did not say what the media implied he'd said then on Friday after he had been defended. Trump came forward and said despite what my defenders would tell you I was actually talking about taking bleach. Wasn't a your comments about injections of disinfect. Anther quite positive asking the question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen now. Disinfectant for doing this. Maybe on the hands but work and I was asking the question of the Gentleman. Who is the yesterday bill because when they say that something will last three or four hours or six hours but the sun is out or if they use this attracted? It goes away less than a minute. Did you hear about this yesterday? But I was asking you to start casting very sarcastic. Question to the reporters. In the room about disinfectant on the inside but it does kill it and it would kill it in the hands of that would make things much better that was done in the form of a cast question to the reporters as long as it was done in the form of cast a question a very sarcastic question to the reporters although what he did that's the perfect distillation of of the trump of trump defense right that he would just like. I did not say I did not say what you're claiming that I said but I mean I meant every word of it and he did it again. Over the weekend she says tweets about he was mad at the New York Times again. Tweeted ABOUT NOBLE PRIZES NOT NOBEL. Prizes saying reporters when noble prices never saw. There's no such thing as the Noble Prize. Second of all reporters do not typically win Nobel prizes which is what he was talking about and then when he got called on it and I think even deleted the tweet he tweeted. Does anybody get the meeting of what a so-called Noble Paren- not Nobel Prize is especially as it pertains to reporters and journalists noble is defined as having or showing fine personal qualities or high moral principles and ideals? Does Sarcasm Ever Work my God. So he saying no. No no you know you think I said something stupid Ah-ha but it's you who are stupid because you did not get my sense of humor and I was being sarcastic Noble Prize. Donald Trump was German in a related story. Axios John Swan reports that trump's corona virus briefings are going to be pared back in house. They're not going so well by the way. We don't have time for this but someday we should do an alternate history where trump never gave a corona virus briefing and Mike Pence gave them all and the administration's response was equally lackluster. But just Mike Pence appeared at the podium every day and seemed concerned. Yeah and had different. That would be. I'd like to run that someday. 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"Welcome to the ringer podcast network. I'm liz kelly with the n._f._l. Season a week away and the ringers fantasy football coverage up we have released our first ever fantasy football all hall of fame we assembled a panel voters including bill simmons cousin sal robert mays mallory ruben and more to the twenty five best fantasy football players of all time and you can find the rankings by going directly to fantasy football dot the ringer dot com evermore fantasy football coverage dancy football podcast on apple spotify edify forever you get your podcasts david a handful of conservatives on twitter of found themselves with an unlikely a hero dave chapelle. What i want to know is what other entertainers from evil liberal culture culture would you recommend to our friends on the right. Oh my gosh. I wonder who the chris's the young around here. Maybe you can help me with this. Do you think they'd like liz. Oh what is the <hes>. This lana del rey a an r._m._c. crypto conservative beyond the conservatives. We have a question to conservatives think. The conservatives still think that bill maher is a liberal because he because he's one of those guys that i can imagine them like look watching every week and just being like you know. He's making a lot of really good points. I only know yeah. I have a feeling bill. Maher's kinda been disowned by everybody because i think he makes everybody so mad. Get it. I'm not sure he has a yeah. I what i was thinking. When i saw this story with how many kind of fading comedians could just easily rebrand is the conservative -servative comedian and basically host every night of the r._n._c. next year. I mean that just seems like such easy career move. Oh yeah that's totally true. I mean i mean name your name. Your favorite like conservative. I mean <hes> ricky vase who i think we might might come up conversation. One hundred percent <hes> bill burr about a millimeter away <hes> i mean jay leno i think is probably one of the more liberal guys that'll come on the list but he's fully embraced raced by. You know like <hes> take that gig. Yes point absolutely true. There's always i mean you know we don't even need to get into like the joe rogan friends part of the conversation and i think he's already found the audience that you need to find but like at my house last week and we watch both the blue-collar original blue collar comedy tour and the original kings of comedy probably a lot of seven their israel kings of comedy that would go over pretty well with the blue collar comedy tour crowd in twenty nineteen <hes> and i definitely see like steve harvey just making the maga move if so you know if the if the right paycheck presented itself i think every comedian sorta right there. I think that's right. We're the catch a rising star of media podcast. This is the press box a part of the ringer podcast network l. o. media consumers. I bryan curtis and david shoemaker here lots to get to today. We're gonna talk about the rebooting of pete buddha judges presidential campaign an update on the new york work times bedbug saga. We'll talk about the new conservative alliance with dave chapelle and will make a climb to the top of mount journalism journalism the dave i wanna start off by talking to you about the big tragic story of labor day weekend which was hurricane. Dorian is a category five have hurricane at one point with ribbons that reached up to a hundred and eighty miles per hour according to the new york times. It seemed to stop moving over the bahamas making for some very very eerie weather map television. The prime minister of the bahamas hubert menace calls dorian damage a historic tragedy and one thing that was striking to me not as i watch the coverage was the extent to which the media but t._v. and print relied on user video to show oh the scope of the devastation we saw lots of video from the avocado islands which has seventeen thousand residents five deaths were reported there early on and damaged thousands thousands of homes here was part of one widely circulated video from the avocado islands spray for us. Lisa price break us me and my baby won't be stuck right here. Peace breaks the osprey fabric baggio babies that voice belong to girth at joseph thirty four years old who posted that account on facebook live according to the guardian. She and her infant son were later rescued so they are fine thankfully i i guess the first observation david is just the sense that this is another one of those cases that in this world where we presumably know everything and can see e-eh everything instantly something like this happens and we are left to rely on desperate spruyt people who are in their attics on the roof the roof of their house torn off to basically tell us the story through heroin videos facebook posts and stuff like that and it's just it's strange and it's and it's moving and it's really a staggering yeah. I think that uneaten in tropical storms past especially you know in in in years past we would at best be hearing these stories second or third hand from a reporter. Who is you know in a rain. Parka knee deepen in beach water while everybody watching at home with sort of like half seriously asking what they were doing out there <hes> it's funny. I mean not funny. It's interesting. I guess they didn't like a moment like this. Where the real l. story can can really consume our lives and consume the news media and some ways it an and again like you said this is a personally a byproduct of the social media era of the modern internet age but it really just shows the inadequacy of news news media or the or the the zimmerman synthesis such as we're used to you know experiencing it is isn't really necessary and in the modern era obviously it's it's not necessary for even you know the bare bones of just conveyance of editing of material or you know this is this is we're getting a direct line and and <hes> i don't know feels like nothing else really matters yeah inadequacies an interesting word. I guess it's just a reminder that we don't we don't have everything covered and there are places on the globe where you know there weren't there were a couple of local news services there. I don't believe <hes> at least in the in the reading that i did that. There was an american <hes> correspondent who was over there at least in the avocado islands. When the storm hit <hes> we did have a lot of those people in ponchos but they were all in florida florida places like that watching the storms. Come in also interested in your take on this tweet by casa de arruda <hes> which is tweet out over the weekend person in hurricanes. I oh my god everything. I know is destroyed and it's about to happen again media on twitter hi there sounds like that it sucks. Do you own the copyright to this video. We'd love to use it yeah. <hes> what do you make of that because i it does put us. It does put the media yeah in this interesting position because on the one hand you're trying to spread the word you're trying to you you know in in in any way you can show the devastation without having your own cameras there as we just said but on the other there is something exploitative you've almost about you know sorta drooling over any piece of coverage that you can then re tweet. Put on your put on your news. Accounts twitter twitter feed to send around the world. What do you make of that problem. Wow i talk about an adequacy. You know social media platforms in general are dead ed or or not very functional places to communicate in terms of nuance in terms of sarcasm in terms of any number of things and this is just one of those those things where i mean. I'm not sure that the that the that the formal all i mean the the formality of asking for permission the news outlets are perfectly happy with the system as it's evolved either <hes> but but i don't think that it's a it's hard for me to you know to say that it's like a negative that that they would be trying to use this footage because like we just said i mean i think that this unfiltered view from from the you know. The the storm is is exactly what we need to really understand what we're what we're experiencing dancing <hes> so i i'm i'm kind of. I'm a i'm a mobile minds about it. What do you what do you think we i. I am too and i think it's just a reminder hear that probably the media is always simultaneously informative and exploitative. Yeah those two things going on at once you know even even c._n._n. Even the new york times whatever you know there is a nuts nuts you know dive into the janet malcolm territory here but there is this you know exploitative exploitative hungry for hungary for clicks nature to what we do even when you're doing you know a quote unquote worthy story sorry and this to me just just highlights it if anything it just gets right at it because you know why are. Why are you sharing those videos. Well you know i just i just wanna i. I just want to show what the devastation is like. Okay <hes> but you know there is there is an edge to that and you know it's just a fascinating question and again by the way it's not just those videos either watching some of the storm coverage on t._v. Today in this weekend you know there were a lot of people standing on the beach that had that weird. You know whether coverage smile on their face like out here. I'm here on the beach. I'm getting blown over a couple of inches. You know and you know again. There's there's there's something very worthy about putting yourself in some kind of mild danger and doing that kind of stuff but there is also something no. I don't know a little show offi about it and again. I just think it's i think the media is usually both things at the same time. Yeah i think show off. He is right. I mean i was watching a bit today with and i i guess i use bit deliberately where someone was on. I believe in the outer banks in north carolina where the where the newscaster was in a raincoat and everything else or you know sort of prepping for the storm. There were people literally sunbathing on the beach. You know like guessing locals who hadn't been shoveled off the island yet but i think those those scenes are i mean there've been and they're inherently funny. I mean they're not. It's not funny. They're inherently comedic. You know air silly that gillis ridiculous yeah and and i don't think that there's yeah i guess i guess i guess especially in the face of this of of actual footage of people experiencing actual <hes> <hes> you know terror and damage and catastrophe and everything else i. It's hard to really see what the what the purposes except to like. He said to sort of exploit late show off. Whatever else yeah will you need. A newspaper right. Television exists on news pictures so <hes> one place you go. Is you take the user generated video that was of desperate asper people that was posted to facebook. Live <hes> if you don't have that you put your news man or woman on the beach and you can go to them every thirty minutes right. It's pictures. There's no there's no hurricane yet <hes> in florida but you can show your newsmen sort of being blown around lately. That's the picture that's what they want. You know so and they'll you know when they can no longer be on the beach. They'll come inside and they'll substitute other pictures. That's just. I just think it's at some level it's t._v. Saying what can we okoye put on here but retaining and that person of course standing on the beach doesn't have any information that person has studio doesn't have let's turn for a second to the president and his response. It's <hes> to the unfolding hurricane here. He was earlier giving a briefing <hes> about the upcoming storm at fema headquarters. I i have not sure i'm not sure that i've ever even heard of the category five minute existed and i've seen some categories wars you see them that much category five something that i don't know that i've heard the term other than i know it's there see alternate and that's what we have unfortunate reminder that the president owns a giant club in florida really am familiar with hurricane terminology. Only the gains only the best gains undermine watch trump tweeted that alabama would potentially be affected by dorian james span a alabama meteorologist. <hes> had to come out on twitter and said that that wasn't true and then say this because we live in the age of trump. I have zero interest in politics during will not affect alabama in any way okay that is not a political statement. Guess exceed contradicting. The president is inherently a political statement. Even when it's about hurricanes national weather service also came on unbackable span no alabama would not be hit by doriot the president came out and then repeated the alabama bit twice more even attacking the media for pointing out the error yasser played a ton of golf this weekend david and and i usually don't try not to worry about the stuff because then we go down the bad look slash optics rabbit hole which makes me want to just crawl into a dark place and go away but he is of course the guys reminded this week coop promise constantly that he wouldn't be playing golf and attacked obama shamelessly for playing golf instead of being president so that happened to. I guess there's an interesting question about when you have the president united states repeating inaccurate information nation yeah about who's going to be hit and not really knowing the terminology at stake year. Isn't there an argument. That trump is is better playing golf then. He is addressing the american people about the storm i i'm getting but i'm really not a fan dan would you would you like the president tweeting through the storm or would you just like him playing eighteen rather number two. I think we'd robbie rather rather and be on the golf course and like you know in the situation room. Ordering nuclear bombs dropped willy nilly in you know as the storm progresses <hes> yeah i mean it's easy to make the joke that he he has energy. Would probably you know if he took any took eight eight or nine holes in tried to actually understand what was going on. The whole country might be better off <hes> <hes> but yeah. I think in general you're right. Let the guy play golf <hes> and let the professionals tas what's going on. Finally <hes> the writer craig pittman on the occasion of dorian tweeted this. This is the worst hurricane lead of all time he calls it <hes> it was written by the late al neuharth who ran connect- newspapers and founded u._s._a. Today <hes> it appeared in florida today in nineteen seventy nine on the occasion of hurricane david pittman rights. Are you ready for this lead <hes> hurricane david. I keep trying to pronounce us like i pronouncing it. With being the hurricane david the first major storm storm named after a male acted very much like a loose woman all day monday dancing along florida's east coast and flirting being dangerously with cities for miami to melbourne. Wow your analogy at a newspaper newspaper. Lead was to eight a loose woman cruden quote. Oh my gosh i that's embarrassed to be associated with edna naming convention <hes> you should be all right david time now for the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag there. It was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Send your nominees to at the press box pod where they are always gratefully received big news from the british parliament today conservative m p phillip. Lee defected to the liberal democrats. He literally walked to the lib dem benches and sat with them while prime minister boris johnson hawking johnson. No longer has a one vote majority in the house of commons. It was an overworked twitter joke to ride bog. God audits philip louis he's cash in his money in the bank briefcase to try to save democracy ex dr blooming of all bill simmons's legacies kasese and and there are many making the world safe for jim. Ross jokes is really going to be going to be right up. Thank him for it every day. It's hard. It's hard to overstate. How many people on this planet earth make that joke. It really is <hes> that he put out there anyway. Thanks dr blue moon again for that david arnav. He flipped looked on the t._v. Last night but there was a bonus labor day college football going on louisville taken on notre dame hell yeah and when louisville's quarterback john pass pass ran the ball was a pretty reprehensible overwork twitter joe to write folks. Maybe they should call him. Juwan run thanks to greg fingers. That's terrible but but sometimes sometimes during a game like that which what by the way was not incredibly exciting. Despite turnovers on three consecutive plays at one point the bad joke is just the rookie one juwan run <hes> good stuff finally david on sunday. Pope francis was late for angeles in <music> saint peter's square in the vatican city. The pope explained to the crowd. I was stuck in an elevator for twenty five minutes before being rescued by firefighters. Hope was stuck in an elevator. It was an extremely overworked twitter joke to write firefighters what happened at thoughts and prayers next to tony grows for that one and also by the way thanks to rob the sports ground for sending end. The pun headline pope immobile so like you know the plo mobile. Somebody did pope immobile anyway. If you try to the same joke template for republican senators and nestle indus congrats you made the over where twitter joke of the week all right david the notebook dump. Another of the presidential candidates has unofficially rebooted booted his campaign. I perked up when i saw this article in mcclatchy from david cantonese that we are finally experiencing the re buddha judge edge yeah. I think we called for this like three months ago. But america's mayor p buddha judges attempting something of a reset on labor liberty. His campaign is kicking off something called and i kid you not the pete wave not the heat wave the pete wave <hes> part of the plan is to make a bunch of hires <hes> for the upcoming primaries and caucuses but they are also going to start as they say in politics drawing wrong contrast between buddha judge and the other candidates and no more mister nice guy are a little less mr night's guy yes american. Throw a punch and we're. We're ready to take on anyone. His campaign manager tells cantonese. This was interesting to me because you have a guy in buda judge whose whole brand the end is built on being mister nice and now he stuck in the polls and so he can't be mr nice anymore or he doesn't think he can be mr nice new more so the question for him is how do i go on the offensive without blowing in all the goodwill that i've accumulated by being the smart likable technocrat who i mean. It's a it's a coronary. I mean i think the most the people watching the campaign i can't speak for the buddha judge heads out there <hes> <hes> i mean i i know that there are a lot of people who are who who feel very strongly about the man <hes> but i feel like from where i'm sitting with the the the hope the assumption the hope that whatever is that he would just sort of stay to himself and if that doesn't place him in lake you know the top one one or two or three <hes> on the primary field and that's fine and he's still in a different and more advantageous more influential position than he was when he started right. I mean i mean i <hes> but you wanna win don't you you don't at this point. You're not being like you know what if i could finish fit isn't as candidate candice isn't his candidacy based on the idea that like it might be a smart idea. If you guys voted me in less than desperately wanna be can't can't is it isn't the isn't the like the passion that the the passionate desire to be to win like the antithesis of what the buddha judge candace. He's been up to this point. I guess i guess that's the problem right and i and i don't know i mean obviously politicians went to win so maybe i'm being too hopeful but i mean read or i'm. I'm the one with being unrealistic but but it's just <hes> you know and so like if if he's having a tough time figuring out the right right angle for rebooting then i mean that's because it's not the candidacy. He's run to this point yeah first of all. I'd love to see the bumper sticker. It'd be a smart idea for you guys to vote me in that. That's definitely waiting for a t shirt but you know i think that's the essential problem i i'd say this. I think you can do it without completely. Just you know going scarface on all the other candidate but you know it it. It is a puzzle puzzle. I i do think he really does want to be president and i think he believes if you listen to him. I think that guy believes he can be president yeah. I don't think this is a just a eh. Raise my profile and get a nice cabinet post out of it or become chairman of the d._n._c. I think he really does real key is one of those guys who believes leaves. He could be the next president united states and he'd probably be good at it and i mean there's there's reason to believe that here and we saw it with comma harris. She attacked biden and of course repulsive since since come back down to earth but when she did that at at the first debate what was interesting about that moment was she was proving to people that she could stand up. Trump wasn't just about oh. I'm going to kneecap joe biden the front runner. I'm proving that i've got the fight that i wanna be president so i guess it's kind kind of coming around to what you just said. When you're willing to be a little rougher with the other democratic candidates you're showing donors the media voters et cetera et cetera that she really want this and arianna so so. It's sorta like you gotta be a little bit mean to prove to them that you want to be president. Maybe maybe that's it. I think that's all true. I don't think there's anything in the in the buddha judged candidacy that i think that that that would make that feasible feasible. I think they'd always doing that. He risks damaging his brand more than those more than just succeed in on a donor level or anything else. I mean listen. He's a smart guy who who has some good ideas and i just feel like the whole i feel like he's i mean listen. The i don't know it a better course ford boorda's short of like hiring a sea of brilliant writers and somehow just like turning the entire like scripting the entire debate stage into like you'll walk like having the other candidates walk backwards into like scenes from being there something where you know because that's what the senate to being their candidacy right. I mean he's just like to to make people make fools of themselves. In have buddha judge just stand there with a grin shrugging shoulders. I mean that's the only way to really take people down and not damaged the brand right. I mean it's it's it's it's like it's it's a i don't know i i. I agree though i agree yes to show some e._s. To show some fight he has to show some some background. He's tried to do that though in the candidacy after this i mean in this campaign up to this point and he's he's he's done in every time he's g- a major interviewees tried to. He's tried to look a little bit tougher needed the day before and i just think it's a more i think it's more of was like a primal shift than than than i would say hey here. Most candidates are willing to admit that you can say you're you can say you're rebooting over and over again <hes>. I don't know that just like mcclatchy. Article is enough. You know signal that this this is going to change. I think he's either. I think we we have to see him a much. We we have to we have to i mean i think on some level yes to acknowledge it. Publicly that more is needed. I mean more is needed his candidacy and and <hes> and and really make make aac it make the make the reboot the narrative. I mean that's the only way i think yeah i think part of these reboot articles your telegraph you go to the media and you're sort telegraphing to the rest of the media that you're about to do something or they should. They should pay attention to you again. 'cause he's had the unique problem that everybody was is interviewing him at profiling men and early stage in the campaign because he was likable at popular and also he was giving tons of interviews <hes> but now people have are paying less attention because his poll numbers are stuck so you go and give interviews like this where you do a piece like this because you wanna you wanna tell the washington post the new york times he heads up. I'm about to do so pay attention to be again over here <hes> he also does to your point. Let me just change metaphors a little bit from being there. Buddha judge feels like he'd be more successful in the aaron sorkin t._v. Show about this campaign. That's what i'm getting at okay. Maybe aaron sorkin would have been the best example the actual campaign right. He is just like the hero of that and now he's he's just he just wants common sense solutions. He's a mayor he's not a creature of washington david. He's dave. He's like the president again that look-alikes the lakers just like wait. I can't i just see through all this madness. Yeah i mean that's it mea. Just bring people together and get some common sense solutions at an young right yeh yeah he's he's. He's like he's like the the guy who gets elected. He's the jimmy smits guy aaron sorkin thing not. He's not the old president. He's the young. He's the young up and comer summer now. I i <hes> i like this. Either needs aaron sorkin to be his speech writer or just to write the campaign for everyone but the latter had this down. David has bedbug agreed oaks. Oh no <hes> if you're not on media twitter and god bless you if you're not this is the quick back story. The new york times got a bedbug infestation infestations last week. George washington professor named dave carve joked on twitter that much load columnist brad stevens was in fact a bedbug stevens found the tweet and seemed to use his position as the times columnist to get in trouble at work. Dave carve exposed said effort much dunking ensued and then deep breath stevens wrote a column published last friday night not naming carp but drawing parallels between twitter today and the nazis use of radio drama award to stevens writes watching warsaw's jewish ghetto burn a polish anti-semites was overheard saying the bedbugs are on fire. The germans are doing a great job so brad stevens has taken a gag bag tweet. He has abused the power of his position and now because he looked dumb he is ratcheting up this into an indirect charge of anti semitism. How silly an awful and lame is this <hes>. Is that a question for me. That's very the my answer very silly and very awful and very lame. <hes> okay well. I know i need to. I just want to admit that i <hes> i was. I was totally off the grid this weekend for the first time in a long time and i am i surfaced he. I surfaced <hes> you you know at a at a roadside antique store where there was suddenly i suddenly had cell phone signals <unk> and i saw your email and you and i said i saw that it said bedbugs it bugs redux and then like something parenthetical is like holy crap and <hes> and i just was like for the next then i lost service and for the next two hours was just left a wonder what brett stevens had done like. I was like the rest get fired that brad stevens just say something even more crazy <hes> this was not what i was expecting and my maybe it should have been the leader during the clubhouse but in some ways this is this is maybe the wildest part of the story. I mean i just can't i. I just can't imagine the thought process that list. I guess i imagine i it's easy to see why brad stevens wrote this piece. I mean after everything. He's done so far. I it's it's interesting thing that he wasn't humbled at all by the response by the that is pre that the previous interaction got an and maybe it's super should be surprising that he wasn't humbled by the fact that a man of of of the purported stature that could get somebody fired with a single you know email could only secure like a midday m._s._n._b._c. spot to defend himself <hes>. He wasn't humble at all so he wrote this piece. That's fine. I mean that's that's to be expected but the new york times was happy to publish it is <hes> says says sort of galling. I mean i don't mean i guess it's not that big a deal in the in the in the grand scheme of things but to i guess i i guess here's the thing he looted the totalitarianism or or a head to toe echoes of talibanism. When he was on m._s._n._b._c. he might have said then the separate time. I don't think you're allowed to hurl. I think for someone who's so a who's who's so concerned about the implications of calling someone someone a bedbug of just the insinuations the thing that the the the ideas that are lurking underneath the surface. I don't think you're allowed to hurl charges of anti semitism without saying that was an anti semitic comment sir mr carp yes. You should just kinda. Come out and say if that's how you really feel if you wanna go down that road the direct route is the way you should go and the new york times backing that up is like giving that none of this tower terrorism none of this is hotel tearing gonna make that really clear louis but but but the idea that there's an institution's powerful as the new york times. It's just going to bat for him in this case when he is already patently in the wrong. That's that's a little. That's a little bit frightening. I i would think i would think now like the new york times in era where like more and more people think they're fake news and think that they're unbelievably biased. It'd be like concerned about the appearance so such things going to going bad for a sub tweet as a bad idea yeah. That's really bad like i said if you wanna make this charge then just go ahead. Make it but see that's the thing. I don't think he can make this charge because i think he i don't think he believes it but i think he can hand wave about how the idea yeah of someone saying this at some point in history has an unsavory echo blah blah blah blah but i don't think he can't and you know by the way if he had made the charge directly klay. Does it get into the new york times. I don't think so. I don't know why the new york times is running their editorial page like like late nineties atlantic dot com blog like you don't just get to respond a link to everything that's on your mind. You know i mean it's just even when you're pissy. You don't necessarily get to put that into print. It's fine just like you let it go this. This is the paper record you know. Can't accomplish can do whatever i think. The problem is the call misconduct whatever they want yeah well media. We sorta in what happens is the time. Sorta relies on them to be like okay. I had you know i wrote about something weird today tomorrow. I'm going to write about <hes> trump or i'm just gonna. I'm back to basics but if if you allow yourself like brad stevens to be driven to distraction by a tweet that had no re tweets. Why wouldn't you use your new york times gala on this. You're right. I mean i know eat it amman yeah but you're right there. I think that's always been. I think that's been you know the strength and the weakness of of you know editorial pages op ed pages news is that they give these people broad latitude and sometimes that results in some really some great collins at an editor would really never assign the bad news. Is you get stuff like this. Yes and you're just like what is this you know and the times has had plenty of those member. Remember when <hes> bill safire way back when was constantly tweeting that wesley clark was running for president the stalking horse for hillary clinton and he would just say that you just say that every day and arranges turn out to be completely false as like okay well <hes> that got the paper too by the way alex barron was doing a <hes> a search for someone who was defending brad stevens the first time around around <hes> the winner of that contest the second time around is ted cruz tweeted on his behalf brad stevens always displays civility and decency recency he treats people with respect and engages on substance data anyway <hes> congratulations at ted cruz for winning that <hes> i got this one in my email from you david loving dave chapelle to own the list <hes> dave chapelle released a netflix comedy special on august twenty six the pissed off a lot of people <hes> with jokes about transgender people in michael jackson's accusers and david. You noticed something pretty amazing on twitter. What was it that there is a <hes>. Suddenly there was a strange appearance as a maybe a an unexpected appearance from from what i would consider the kind of the farthest right reaches of the of the twitter verse who were coming out in support of dave chapelle i mean and and let's maclear there was a there are a lot of voices and i believe at least one on the ringer dot com who were coming from the other end of the political spectrum are not very high on dave chapelle latest <hes> routine where he you sort of <hes> attacked a lot of woke stalking horses i guess would be the way to put it and and <hes> the response from the conservatives fear seem to be <hes> finally someone is sticking up for free speech in this era where the libs are trying to destroy it. I think that that sound about right that is i just kind of. It's done for the first thing that the first thing that popped up <hes> combat thanks to my our co worker. Undergrad adare was a tweet from dana loesch shoe said they've should post sticks and stones was hilarious glad someone is sticking it to the cancel culture and encouraging people oh to laugh again <hes> hang loose is what does that or hook them horns emoji <hes> and then god and then not to be outdone bright bird word actually had john nolte. It's a it's a a. I don't even know how to describe john nolte to someone who's not familiar with them. It's the guy with the al bundy avatar right right. He's sort of a professional al bundy who doesn't who kind of thought that married with children was a documentary or something something like that it was a he's a strange character but he does i think consider himself a connoisseur of humor <hes> and and and and often purveyor of it he would consider himself at least and <hes> <hes> he watched and reviewed it and the special and was i think taken with it and i think think that there is a <hes> dave chapelle in these same quarters. I think had a lot of <hes> very negative. They had a very very negative opinion of chapelle for a long time probably without engaging with them very much but and so there's a little bit of a come to jesus you know my eyes have finally been open to his humor because he's incredibly funny guy but he closed the pieces. John not closes with the piece by saying our society desperately needs a free speech revolution and if the obama loving chapelle pal and the christian marking surveys ricky driven is what he's talking to want to lead it. I'll follow them straight to hell it. Just so i have the tenets of the vast right wing conspiracy straight they are in favor of supporting dacia pels right to say anything he wants to and myself impolitic. Yes i mean there's a lot of stuff about michael jackson this stuff about what what was it. I mean there's a lot of that not supposed to say this. There is specifically <hes> there was a specific riff about him on the chapelle show trying to say the f. ford over and over again and then and then refusing him saying that so there are literal words that he says he you know that he's speaking in defense of being able to sail out and those aren't exactly words that i think anybody would be the clamoring to scream at the top of their lungs but go ahead okay so we're defending dave. Chapelle is right to make jokes about charges of pedophilia <hes> and l._g._b._t._q. Humor <hes> but at the same time we are digging up bad tweets of journalists that they made in college and using them to dry and using using it to drive them out of the business. I just wanna make sure i have everything straight that those two things are happening at the same time because it is bright bright breitbart was doing the ladder so so so both those things are happening on breitbart right now. Yeah i mean i think i think they should never mistake. A you know a flailing <hes> <hes> flailing website or political strategy you know political strategy for like some sort of philosophy but yeah those things are happening at the same time. Okay just wanted make sure yeah dave chapelle conservative hero all right <hes> oh here we go david. I don't do this very often but every once in a while i like to climb to the peak of mount journalism to make a statement about the profession <hes> last time i put on the crampons and picked up the ice axe. I was complaining about journalists who changed jobs in two installments. They say goodbye to the old job in one tweet and then in a separate tweet. They announced their new job. I'll have more to tell you in just just a few days. <hes> this is my new complaint here from the top mount journalism and this is not a subject of a particular person. It's up tweet of everybody which is why why do reporters celebrate the anniversaries of the publication of their stories. Have you noticed this yeah two years ago. Today i published a profile of so-and-so. Oh eight years ago. Today i published this or that and my first question was how the hell do they know what happened and and i as asking around about this over the weekend i think the answer is they put the piece on facebook originally and sending them one of those anna deavere serie things <hes> because do you have any idea what you did three years ago or five years ago just off route. You have any clue no right but but here's the complaint you journalist. I only know from the internet. I don't care about your birthday. They really don't care. I truly insincerely. Don't care about your articles birthday. That is that is i i just i cannot if you want. If you wanna just shamelessly dredge up a years old piece of journalism just just do it. No need to wait for the peg. I think it's just i think it's just you could just do that at any time and by the way if you'd like to celebrate your pieces anniversaries or birthdays you also so have to do the bad ones okay two years ago. Today i publish this half-hearted column that my bosses may be right and i was embarrassed. Even tweeted did at the time but here it is when university happy birthday. Thank you very much at the lab. I'm coming down yeah very good back down. The slopes of mao journalism pieces pieces have birthdays. We were celebrating the birthday of a piece of journalism an anniversary. You might say there's we just did the moon landing gray. Where did the apollo thing that we're doing the piece i published. It's just great stuff all right david. Would you like to listen to a little stuart worked vardi before we finish up today guide. Yes always here's the host of the fox business. Network's varney and company interviewing presidential candidate joe walsh about whether donald trump deserves to be called a liar stewart. You believe this president lies. No you don't believe he's ever light right exa- generates and spins okay. Do you believe he's ever told the american people ally no okay. That's it that's it. Oh my god so do we think stuart varney would agreed to the to the general idea that everybody lies are most. Everybody lies at some time or another but he is insisting that trump does not lie or has never lied as president. Maybe he thinks maybe he thinks that everybody lies. There may be a it much stricter definition of li- that note that no one else that no one shares but maybe he just has a very very narrow definition of what that means. I don't know if it's it's it's it's best not the part of these sort of ravings than just appreciate them for the humor that they give us when i was watching it. I realized i knew very little about stuart varney. Oh man kind of i kind of assumed he'd written a column for twenty years for a murdoch paper in london or maybe somewhere else and that found his way to fox news but i didn't realize he had such a huge rennet c._n._n. <hes> including a stint of hosting money line with will obey what auto would a moment in media time that was <hes>. He's been at fox for fifteen years. The only the thing i have to say his fox business is kind of underrated bad. <hes> oh yeah it almost seems like a pure distillation of the fox. Did there's just stock quotes running across the screen at the bottom <hes> like it's just just minute to minute. It might actually be worse than fox news. I think it is. I think that that's just sort of forget. It gets a little more obscure. Everybody forgets it. That's sort of the point yeah. I mean in some ways it makes it even more insidious right. It just gets the toilet anonymity. <hes> under the guise of i mean what we talk about the parts of fox news that are real real news vis-a-vis either their opinion commentators over but this is like this is all has the sheen of financial news like what could be more unbiased than that this is numbers right uh-huh naser numbers guy telling you that your former president is a you know a kenyan secret agent or something. I mean that's that's. That's a that's a big deal. Tafur david shoemaker guesses these strained pawn headline. God go by the way we we still got a storehouse of these things so if you wanna do if we want to do all headline edition may we'll do that in the holidays. I really going twenty of these. I ever every week. It's just it's it's incredible. <hes> friday's day's winner was these marsupials. Go out with a bang and this from scott caswell. David is going to keep us in the world of animals yet again. Lots of animals animal's praise mckay with bring out the punts. It's from the canadian broadcasting companies saskatoon division not just the canadian brought us the c._b._c. The saskatoon division seems that back in the seventies david there was an animal at the at a saskatoon zoo that was labelled the dingo and may writer alicia bridges reports that in fact it wasn't it was not a dingo. It was a hybrid of a dingo. A labrador and a coyote was falsely labelled win. Was this story. When was this was. This was in the seventies. Just we're just correcting the record i mean i guess that doesn't seem like it's that long ago but this is. I knew a lot of people that like you know in small towns. It'd be like that guy owns a wolf and like there was no like blood test for that could've just been like l. is just a big muddy dog dog with pointy ears or whatever you know i mean it was a german shepherd with a great coat but like it seems weird that they wouldn't be doing sort of blood testing at the zoo. Oh yeah wheels off sorta zoo like is this. I mean i think the occasion that there are two new dingoes in from australia rilya netscape that have just arrived so i think we're kind of establishing that. These are the first genuine dingoes at the says. Okay i mean this. Is that caused a cell. I don't really i don't want to sit on the saskatoon zoo more than i have to but like ding feel you can get a dingo like is that as well. They may have out of the priority okay. You're right so always celebrate your local zoo. Though that's cool yeah do you do do you have you gone to the zoo and your life looking for a dingo. Where the dingoes no i i i i mean and their defense if they if there is like i mean a labrador i think i could identify but if they had a couple of coyotes back there and they're like those are dingoes. I'd probably it'd be like okay. That's i what what's the question here the takeaway here that can i just can i just direct you away away from any puns about the movie cry in the dark. The dingo ate my baby thing. It's not it is not that it's not a dingo. It is not dingo related at all. I'm sorry we went down dingo boulevard here. <hes> it's about a mistake being caused because there was a dog in this animal's ancestry agog the animals ancestry. What is the c._b._c.'s strained upon headline <hes> him i mean it feels like this. This is like it's not like all bark and no bite or something doesn't make sense. That's pretty good. Though <hes> <hes> <music> ba it's not about is it labrador specific or just dog just dog just general hug just just general general animal have got some dog in this fight <hes> dot dogging doggonit dot dod gone <hes> wait. What do dogs walk on <hes> just getting the body parts <hes> pause <hes> hitting the 'cause the <unk> apo- god you made a mistake you made a blunder air as we would say in french made ing faux pas oh go oh no. I didn't even get that when i said eh does that. Read on the printed page. That's a great punch. It actually is right photo paw paw yeah. I don't know that i would see that go to like the fruit the p. a. M. so fainted but that's faux pas a great and it's fantastic good works saskatoon. He is david shoemaker. I'm brian curtis research by chris l mehta production magic by jim cunningham. We're back friday bright and early with more lukewarm takes about the media see then david cielito brian the david. He's dave you you journalists. I only from the internet. I don't care about your bird okay. I really don't care wow. I was stuck in an elevator ter- for twenty five minutes talk radio. What do you make them problem. Last time i put on the crampons and picked up the ice axe before being rescued by firefighters. How the hell do they know who i mean. It's it's a quandary. What do you make of that off l. Follow them straight to hell. I think that's all true. Do you have any idea india what you did mistake professional al bundy. What do you make of that conundrum. I don't think you're allowed to hurl lucky you you know it was totally off the grid this weekend for the first time in a long time and i and i and i- surfaced how silly an awful and lame mm-hmm. Is this <hes> oh. Is that a question for me. That's very against the you. Don't just get to respond and add links to the everything that's on your mind. You know i mean it's just even when you're pissy off fine gum. Just wanna make sure no more mister nice guy or or a little less. Mr nights only the best hurricanes under my watch <music> <music>.

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What the presidential campaign could possibly look like in the grip of this pandemic was. David guesses a strain pun headline in the overwork twitter. Joke of the week. David I want to begin with a topic. That's close to us. We're both the father of two kids. We were tending to those kids. Literally seconds we came on air today so i WanNa talk to you about parenting during the corona virus Jennifer Catch Mark as a TV meteorologist Cincinnati. She's been attempting to do the weather from home in this clip. She's standing in front of her. Tv with the forecast behind her. And David Tell me if the negotiation seized having with her kids matches your experience at home. Thanks conor Mommy's trying to do a little bit of work. Can you let me finish my work when he opened them? Go upstairs finished my work. Okay I got record something real quick okay. No He's just give me five okay. I need five. He's on a call. Okay you cannot. You cannot talk daddy right now. GimMe a second guys. Okay go upstairs. Three to pool and water right is go upstairs with a critical calling her. Give Mommy a minute please. I'll be upstairs in one minute. Yeah I mean that definitely rings true or to think the experience that I'm having I mean I gotta say I feel like we you and I have said before that. We've never felt so different from some of our media co workers who felt like they had everything in common with just weeks ago The situation through I mean the parenting situation that the living situation for parents I think during this time is you know for better or worse. It's just a lot different than than than I would. A lot of other people they're dealing with And we can go into more detail on that but for what it's worth. I mean my experience is probably different than a lot of parents do because I am have relocated to Apart place far away from home and I don't know it's just sort of doubling down on the different. It's definitely a a whole new world that we're living in right now. The part of that clip. That really stuck with me was saying I can't be with you. Right at the second and also my spouse or partner can't be with reading just in the life raft kit for just like ten minutes. Yeah I don't know how to do that as always set it up. You can always set it up. That it's something is happening. You know I mean. I think a lot of for a lot of parents. It's like how much how to. What extent do we give up our children for adoption to honor and Elsa during Corona virus? You don't always have Disney plus like great ago moments like. I don't know what to tell you just you just you just had to go to your room and just do something right now for just ten minutes and then we'll take care of you and we'll give you a big hug and we'll we'll figure it out with many people in modern era Have lamented you know the different life. Our children lead than the ones that we lead at their ages. Whatever the rages may be I think the key the most common version of that is it like you know when we were kids we would just go play outside for hours at a time and your parents can sort of like open the door and you know assume you'd be home by dinner and whatever happened. In between those periods of time moments in time was up to the gods you know But yeah the the most acute small version of that is like yeah. You're GonNa have to do something now like you have to. You just have to figure it out and kid and whether or not this kid is like eleven or one which are like the two inches that I'm dealing with. Yeah it's it's IT'S A. It's not something that we're normally in the position of asking them or at least I'm not some highlights from parenting during corona virus. One is of course. There's no school we are school. You and me and our partners and so there's this really funny thing that's happening is i. Just I just remember when you were a kid and you had that thing like when I grow up. I'm going to be the cool parent. I'm not going to be the parent who enforces the rules. I'm going to be the Nice parent which turned out to be complete and utter bullshit but I do feel kind of bringing that back as teacher. Dad. 'cause I'm like well what would I wanNA learn if I were my seven year old son or my four year old daughter so like brought The Swiss Family Robinson. Call The wild. And I'm like I'm just GonNa read these book. What POSSIBLE LAST. Ahsan could be better than me reading these books or I think even says on the POD. The other day we had we got a glow son got a globe for his birthday. So there is like a part of the day that's devoted to point at the globe and we'll look everything we can about the country. That's geography right. That's not really how it works. That's how geography is working in this in this house. You have become the dude like the guy the corner in DC who will tell you the population of any country for dollar that is that is my teaching style thing. I love about this and I think you have your own version best but is technology in school and the way these school districts have scrambled to try to teach kids remotely My son is seven again. My daughter's four so it's a little bit different for them but my seven year old son. Who's in first grade has a zoom call with all of his classmates on Thursdays right. You've read all these articles about how the whole world has become a zoom call and the virus. This is literally that the case even for seven-year-old in the afternoon. And can you imagine twenty odd kids on zoom call we can we can barely get this podcast coordinator with like four of us. Oh my God imagine that. And it's just this like Hollywood squares from Hell of these little kids. Who of course are just are just they just WANNA scream? Even when they're in a classroom setting now imagine they're all at home they've commandeered mommy or daddy's phone and they see their teacher for the first time all week or the second time all week and just go wild. It's pretty incredible. What is like on on your end? School and well are eleven year. Old is a is on zoom every day with his classroom. It's actually calm down quite a bit. I was weird last time we talked. I think they'd he'd just gotten the system set up and it was just like you know. I mean certainly. They're they're more adept. The eleven year olds are more adept at just technology in general than you or I It did seem a bit more chaotic than like our spotify on boarding but more quickly I think so Oh and now and now yeah I mean it's it's a lot of long distance learning. I mean. Listen there's I think we have spent a fair bit of time. Sort of imagining a future without classrooms Both practically and just sort of I mean what? What would our kids life be like if this was their entire life and just like you know how much longer D- until this is actually everyone's reality not just home schoolers or whatever but yeah it's It is a very weird form of social sort of social interaction to watch middle schoolers. Just you know hanging out online for an hour like I said not only. Are they better at it? They're just more comfortable at it. I mean my didn't doesn't do a lot of like online chatting outside of like skyping or facetime ing with his family but But yeah the this is not like like if this had happened to you or me. I mean literally it would have been like the future is now you know but like it's just all very comfortable for them so I mean I. I'm constantly amazed by like technologies intuitive. And I we we always disagree but then you see a kid do it with like an absolutely no hesitation at all just like my one year old can operate my ipad like Tom. Cruise in minority report just like grabbing boxes and flooding around. And I'm just like I don't like I guess. This is intuitive. I just like I'm just not into is on my intuition that it was targeted. That your son's eleven. Are you struggling. Like I am to explain corona virus to him No I mean he's he's nothing he's smart. I mean there's questioned you know I think on the front end. His mom and I were a little bit had a little bit of trepidation. About how much did they tell? And whatever else but at this point I think everyone's you know I think he's just about as clear as anybody. We are so You know there's still some there's there's there's still some difficulty but I think that I don't know I think the broad strokes of it are are pretty self evident you know. There's not a lot of the the whore you know is is I think fairly manageable for him. But more importantly than that I mean he's experiencing is in version of it just by being you know kind of sequestered this whole time. Yeah I think rules make a lot of sense to kids so when you say okay we need you to stay six to ten feet away from people they okay. That's just another rule. You're always giving me rules about what to do. So now we have this new set of rules and I and I think that makes sense. I found again. I'm in a little bit of the younger tear their from you but just it's hard to have the television on you know. I mean I don't honestly don't know if the number one hundred thousand people make sense to my son at all. He has the number of people that we think are going to die as part of this pandemic. But you know I don't want to at this moment in time. Try to explain that and I don't even Wanna I don't I don't even WanNa take a shot at that. Yes you know. So it's kind of I think all about rules. I'll tell you what the hardest part is our his grandparents. My in laws are near us. I read the other day that Joe Biden was doing this. He was actually standing on the porch of his house in Delaware and his grandchildren was sort of coming to the yard and an appropriate distance. And that's how he would interact with them. Well one of the hardest things to tell your child is you cannot go. Give your grandparents a hug right there. Right there You don't think you're sick. You don't seem sick but you might be in some way and if you just go give them a hug. You might make them sick so you can't do that. I think quick very quickly revert. Back to your kids. Understand rules point on this. I feel like I'm not gonNA call anybody a bad parent or grandparent. Certainly not an esteemed presidential candidate but I feel like you can't see GRANDPA is a lot easier for everyone to handle then like you stand twelve feet from GRANDPA. It's true but we've we've at least twelve feet thing just don't have completely cut everybody off right and it's hard right. It's hard to say the the way they express affection for you and that you express affection for is a bad thing at this moment in time. Hopefully in a couple of months it won't be anymore or at least be some in some manageable form but imagine that a hug is the worst thing you can do right now. We'll hug you all day all day long but you can't do that anymore the The professional part of this has been challenging. I think and I guess this is part of the time to have some disclaimer. David David and I are privileged. We have great jobs. Lucky to have jobs we can do from home right. We'RE NOT. We're not wanting for money or insurance or anything like so. Many people in this country are but the last three weeks of this have been really interesting combination at absolute joy at getting to be around the kids all day. Yes and the trickiness of trying to balance that with the responsibilities. We have at work to the ringer to say the least yeah. I'm only because I just think as a parent like that's the that's the trade off all the time rite aid a you. You and I were programmed. We knew this when we lived together in our twenties. We were programmed to work hard anyway. Work late work weekends. Get on the plane to do that. Extra story do all that stuff as soon as you become a parent. You're like a while every second that I do my job. Well in that way is a second. I'm taking away from being a parent. Yeah it's pretty much a one to one trade off right and you say well you can put the kids to bed and then you can work late on that on that story you WanNa do. Yeah guess what. And then you're going to be a Zombie the next day and you're GONNA be seventy percent of yourself for your kids and that sucks. Well guess what happens when the kids come home all day. That trade off that is so stark becomes even starker because like right now. I'm in here recording a podcast with you rather than like making lunch or or doing that. Dumb geography lesson Or just helping my son with his math homework or my daughter draw picture whatever it is and just all those choices you make every day little choices right just suddenly become. I don't know I keep going back to the word start. They just become so immediate and man. It is for for whatever reason for the last couple of weeks. That's just become an even bigger part of my brain than it already was. Yeah I couldn't sandy better. I mean it's it's a Like you said we're in. We're both incredibly lucky here. Both incredibly less to have wives that are certainly shouldering more of this than we are Thousand percent and you know In in to echo that too I mean it's the blessing is to be able to be sort of the good soldier you know just just following orders through a lot of it but yeah it's it's. There's the practical aspect. There's the the fixing lunch the there's something else could be doing. And then there's just like the real emotional aspect of like getting up from the table. I was you know we were doing a math homework before this. You know and I don't think there's any there was any point in my life where I would have like thought. I would have rather done mass homework than well anything but you know. It's tough to get up. You know it's it's like like right into my baby's asleep right now which is a weird blessing. Because they don't have to like listen to him down the hall you know in which I was there Yeah it's a it's a we're we're Like I'm constantly reminded of how lucky I am in a bigger sense than Whatever's going on right now because of you know B B because I'm blessed to be with my family but But yeah it is. It is definitely a different balance. You know it's like having to say remember like years ago I had a dog and it was like the most painful part about it was when he would just shut the door every day. Just like listening cries you walk to your car you know. I mean just like leaving. The isn't that that tearful farewell and thankfully my kids aren crying every time I walk away. But it's like you have to go through that moment like twelve times a day instead of one every time you have to go back to your laptop there's like a small dead by and killer. It is absolutely killer. One thing I've always liked about you is that you always push back against generic dad and parents complaining about the kids nowadays. There's so much of parents. Even great parents fall into this thing where they sound like the dad in the newspaper. Funny Pages back in the eighties. Like damn kids are crawling all over me. I can't stand this you know. That's not what this is. This is this isn't we can't stand being around her kids. This is we love it right. We love being around our kids and we see the trade off. We see that walkaway to the laptop. You know we see the article. I was working on this morning. I wanted to be good right but all I have to do is wander back into the living room to see what I'm the responsibility. The Fun everything to see what? I'm missing for that article to be right and you know if you just think like today you and I have what eight to ten hours of work to do maybe more. We also have eight to ten hours of parenting to do maybe more. Just do the math and these are again to privileged white male specimens so just think about parents during the corona virus who are working so hard to get everything done and worry about the things they ever do. That's why we were joking. The other day when we see these oppressive lists one hundred things you're supposed to do you know if were stretched. Imagine other parents in the world. They're really actually stretched. Yeah really really. Oh yeah by the way. The cousin of these are those facebook posts that people now put up about all the arts and crafts and like the giant vegetable garden. They planned with her kids today. Kind of it's like the The quarantine bragging you now. Here's me and the kids. Just planet one hundred begonias. You know what this is cooling okay. I understand you're proud of that but just there's no there's only for shaming this everybody's getting through this as best they can. Yeah and you just I mean it's just one of those moments where I'm always like just think of people that aren't as privileged as we are. What is this like for them right? They're they're not at loose ends because they just need a book to read or something like that they don't have any time at all Yeah that's totally right We have done our fair share of kind of pointing and laughing at the bragging That you were just mentioning it. People do kind of rehashing their own Curriculum Online. And yeah the Begonias. My God the Begonias. But it's a it's a it's a I don't know I I often wonder where people find time to do a lot of things. I'm actually kind of impressed by the fact that you can can pass your kids through some whole homemade curriculum. Create the curriculum in have time to post about it online. But you know I. It's so I mean there but the vast majority of people don't wouldn't have time to even begin on that like you were just saying and I don't even know had I mean put into words what I think most people are probably going through. It's a it's A. It's an amazing privilege. But it's it's just the I mean by far the biggest shift any lesser dealing with right. Now let's in this segment with something that everyone kids are no can appreciate which is bagging on. Vodka trump. Oh Yeah ooh. Vodka trump is a mother of three children Not to minimize that experience at all but she told Yahoo Finance that her experienced during the quarantine was like quote pretty much every parent around the country every parent around the country turns out every parent has been doing this in the evenings where Normally we would have had a work related commitment or or something else A school function. Whatever it is. I've I've been trying to use it to expand my own mind and explore things. I normally wouldn't have prioritized so I've got a core Sarah. Free course going in Greek and Roman mythologies. I'm rereading honestly started to learn to play the guitar now. I'm really working on it. How do you have more time? Yeah I mean I guess it like. She's not talking about raising kids. She's talking about the life of someone who never spends time with their kids when they're not taking instagram photos. I mean that's just. And how much do you hate your significant other? That like as soon as you're able to put your kids to bed. You're the first priority is like. Let me go do something by myself. Yeah I think. Let them study. Greek is really the cake of our time. Let them read Greek. Yes let them reject. Thanks Ivanka. They've it's time for the overworked twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag. That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time. Send your nominees to at the press. Box POD DAVID. I Guess Rob Gronkowski one some kind of championship belt on the twenty four seven championship. The twenty four seven championship at Wrestlemania. Last night it was an overworked twitter joke to right so I guess Gronk Chan Win a championship without Tom. Brady thanks to Mike from CET. David IS STATE SCRAMBLE FOR CORONA VIRUS SUPPLIES. That have not been issued by the feds. We saw this tweet. California Governor Gavin newsom is building a consortium of states to buy personal protective equipment in bulk rather than compete against each other and drive up prices. A A consortium of it was an overworked twitter joked right so we're gonNA create hear me out a United Group of states here in America. What a concept. Thanks to Steve. Simon and Josh Peterson and finally David. We've had a hearty laugh at the way. Celebrities like vodka have been dragged into pandemic often in the form of PSA about washing your hands. Well this tweet from March. Twenty ninth is one of my favorites. The Sky News feed tweeted the following. Kate Winslett starred in the film. Contagion about a hypothetical virus outbreak and gives tips on how to keep safe during the corona virus pandemic. So Kate winslet was in contagion therefore we ought to listen to her about how to stay safe that that is the the the the final evolutionary phase of. I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV CH- some great replies here later we'll be talking to Mel Gibson about Scottish freedom and what it would mean to him tomorrow. Harrison Ford will teach us the best way to rate a tomb Alec Guinness on what to do a darth vader strikes. You down and finally Kate. Winslet was also titanic any advice on nautical navigation at night if you're good with celebrities standing in for epidemiologists or media twitter accounts pretending that they can congrats. You made the overwork twitter joke of the. We are at time for the notebook. Dump a week ago David. We allowed ourselves to engage in a little shaming. We called out corporations or individuals who had behaved abominably during the corona virus. Well guess what the haven't stopped man. Now it's time for the Corona Virus Corporate Hall of Shame. Round to this is. David is like the Baseball Hall of fame where the Veterans Committee meets to put. Its more guys in. We're not done. We're not done now. Nominee number one in the Corona Virus Corporate Hall of Shame Hobby Lobby because in late March hobby lobby. Ceo David Greene net worth six point. Four billion dollars sent out a letter to managers saying that employees would need quote. Tighten their belts and that stores would stay open because his wife had a vision from God. I could describe division to you. This is in part his blessings and the fruits of all your hard work of made it possible for the company not only to operate without significant amounts of debt but for the past decade to maintain wages and benefits that have far exceeded most retailers et Cetera et Cetera. Well Hobby lobby ignored calls for non essential businesses to close insisting that the sale of fabric was an essential service. The last Thursday deputies in Dallas served hobby lobby with a cease and desist and on Friday. The chain which employs over forty three thousand people issued a statement saying they would be closing all stores until further notice and furloughing all store employees and many of its corporate and distribution workers. The employees will receive benefits until May one but the company ended emergency. Leave pay and suspended. The use of paid time off benefits. Boys were outraged about the lack of warning given about the store's closing. Yeah kind of a tough arc there from the vision from God to your all furloughed within like weeks. You know days even hobby lobby. I just feel like it's incumbent upon anyone that goes public with a vision from with a message from God to explain God's addendum to the original message the wherein he said yes never mind police. Fire everybody or sorry for a little everybody. Furlough is not a word. I heard it in the Bible. I yeah no I think for Lois. The thing is the way it's they say but it's I think that would be a help. I think they'd be instructive for any of us all the religious scholars amongst us who want to you know keep tabs on everything the completes amongst us he wants to keep tabs on. God's got words that's right the binge motors of the Bible Gerona Virus Corporate Hall of Shame Nominee Number Two sports illustrated or more specifically the Maven guys who run sports illustrated. We've talked how no games the whole the whole no games era is very tough on sports media. We're talking about how even with enlightened employers this can lead to layoffs it can lead to pay cuts etc while the Washington Post Been Strauss emailed maven. Ceo James Heckman for a piece that ran on March. Twenty third about what was going to happen. All these companies with the without games according to Strauss Heckman called the concern quote. Pretty silly. We're a hundred and fifty million dollar business continue to forecast profitable year and our traffic continues to scale up he wrote quote unquote will a week later? Sports illustrated laid off six percent of its already thin staff clothing. Six of its editorial staffers The layoffs claimed the jobs. Chris Ballard Jack dickey Kaelin collar Laken Littman Tom Months Arenas and Sarah Kwok. According to Strauss. Staffers also wanted to know why the company couldn't implement pay-cuts like buzzfeed did March will. Apparently they did. Because on Sunday morning the writer Grant Wall had an instagram story saying the Maven had reduced his salary by thirty percent and was trying to make that reduction permanent beyond the pandemic. Wow he wrote who would take advantage of a pandemic permanently reduce someone salary beyond that pandemic Maven and James Heckman would. Wow I mean. I can't say that any of this is terribly surprising. But most of the hall of shame candidates so far have by delivered by intentional by accident. Some level of a certain some. Excuse here some some level of of misdirection. Why would you issue that statement to the Washington Post and then days later it meets? Surely you knew Shirley. You had an inkling that something really bad what's going to happen or at least you wanted to hedge so you didn't give people at the company the wrong idea. I don't get that I just. I just don't get coronavirus. Corporate Hall of Shame Nominee Number Three. David this via a friend Hugh Hopkins. The British. Football Clubs Tottenham Hotspur and Liverpool remember. What the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers tried to do here actually happened in the UK. On March. Thirty First Tottenham Hotspur furloughed staff putting them on a government program where workers are paid eighty percent of their monthly wages effectively with tax. Payer money that has meant to support small businesses Liverpool followed suit on April four but players and executives across the Premier League. Still have not taken pay cuts Tottenham Chairman Daniel. Leaving made eight point six million last year and seven players on the team's payroll made over one hundred thousand pounds a week. Liverpool has twelve players making a hundred thousand pounds a week in both organizations made. Oh just over. Fifty million dollars in profit last year Wonder all that money went. I said this about the seventy sixers as soon as you pull this move you no longer get to engage in triumphalism about how. Great Your League sport is right. If you can't afford to pay people for a few weeks you don't get to say how your sport has taken over the world you lose that privilege for the foreseeable future. I mean I. I know that there's a chance of this happening. But man multibillion dollar valuations for teams shears. Looked pretty suspect right. I mean he would spend two and a half billion dollars by an NBA team. I'd like to figure out how I could I could invest all that money. And how the teams still be in the You know in the red every single year. Right I mean I mean I. I don't know why you would pay that much money for a team that doesn't and it's not worth owning. It just seems like just like you've got yourself a mugs game. You're too scared to admit it now. Either that or you're just really shitty at your job. Filing nominee number four. This isn't a corporation but as a University of Texas Guy Ahead to include the Kabo forty four. Now I guess it's more than forty four in mid March David over two hundred students from ut Austin flew on a chartered plane to Kabo San Lucas and some return on separate commercial flights to Texas. Now forty nine of the over two hundred people that went on this Charter. Plane have tested positive for corona virus. Hundred Seventy eight of the students were set up on the trip by just college. A travel company that organizes spring break trips. Boy If the alarms in your mind are going off right. Now that organizes spring break trips they should be for an e mails obtained by Austin Television Station K. U. E. The company had been sending out emails. Assuring customers that the trips were safe. A March Twelfth Company wrote quote. Were currently in our second week of. Kabo and have had almost five thousand travellers all with no issues before just college this is Jay Us College. I just want to make that clear to just college posted a statement on its website announcing the postponement of its remaining spring break trips man. We'll hook them horns. I Guess Davis Never Been Prouder to go to Baylor. Then he was jailer. Tailored to their great credit cancels college cancelled in prison. Glasses the moment everybody else did. All the other universities did maybe a little bit of nearly side and And as far as I can tell did not rely on Faith over fear to uh or or any other means of godly healing to get them through the situation at all topic number three David today. What will the election look like? I've read a bunch of pieces scattered around the Internet over the last couple of days. Asking this question. How are we going to have biden versus trump in November and the pandemic? Were all locked in right now. The first big piece of news last Thursday is that the Democrats have already delayed their convention in Milwaukee from John I until August seventeenth. They were planning to do a convention and take a big breath for the summer Olympics and then the Republicans we're GonNa do their convention now. They're back to back in August. This was all precipitated by Biden. The likely nominee doing a remote interview with Jimmy Fallon Chuck. Todd Jimmy Fallon on April first. Listen up it's going to depend on what kind of actions taken between now and the middle of the summer to change this curve as to what's going to happen going into the fall for example. I doubt whether the Democratic convention is going to be able to be held in In mid July early July I think is going to have to move into August. I guess that was the trouble Lena. Headey quite figure out what was going on there but It is sort of moving the convention itself I mean. Hopefully it's not a tropical in for anything to follow right. I mean it does seem like You know the calendars for all the stuff from the very first You know few primaries onward is just so meticulously planned out. I'm really skeptical of our government. Our electoral system being able to sort of think on its feet fast enough. Everything runs smoothly but But here we are and and hopefully you know. Democracy wins out right. Hopefully but there's now I mean I think now you're going to see shockingly and I can't I can't believe I'm saying this with Donald Trump. You'RE GONNA see this politicized right because as the times points out there's going to be this giant game of chicken about who not only suspends their convention but cancels their convention. I write hard to imagine an auditorium full of people even in August right that that's on. The front end of optimistic ideas about when sports may restart like without fans and now we're GonNa do this giant political convention in Basketball Gym in August but Donald Trump has said as he said many things during the carnivorous. We we gotta be back. We gotta be out there. So are the Democrats willing to cancel their convention if Donald Trump isn't willing to cancel his convention in willing to see that PR tool to him. You talk about voting. You know we've talked about maybe male national mail in voting which is by the way a great idea long before the corona virus. Maybe that will help. November run a little more smoothly. Guess who's skeptical of mail in voting and greater voter participation? Ha The party. That has the White House. Are they going to want to do that? They're gonNA WANNA push that effort knowing that could hurt them at the ballot box. We've seen you know trump and Mitch. Mcconnell knows people do a lot of things in the name of winning. And what makes us think that that's going to happen In November. Yeah I mean the more you think about it the more frightening it becomes and I mean listen. No one would say anything. That's happening right now. With the current virus is going to plan for the president but you know his instincts as close to the election may not skew in a positive direction. So I think everything you just said is worth fretting over even preemptively. Another issue raised by Times reporter. Shane Goldmahcer House Biden. GonNa raise money now. He's way behind trump in that department. This is how gold macher has it. Roughly two hundred twenty five million dollars in cash on hand between trump's reelection campaign. They Republican National Committee and their shared committees. Two hundred twenty five million Biden and the Democratic National Committee had only twenty million after accounting for debts. We know and we've talked about this. Many times before Biden wasn't great at raising money anyway. Now guess what he can't have in-person fundraisers for the time being. It's pretty awkward to send out one of those emails asking for funds in the middle of a pandemic plus there might be a recession coming and people have less money to give not to mention less hours to go knock on doors and volunteer. There was a sort of like weird weirdly semi contrarian idea out there that this is the campaign that Biden has always wanted to run the front porch campaign. Yeah Allah Warren Harding or William McKinley. I learned five seconds. Go on wikipedia. That mckinlay's front porch campaign worked because he had a massive fundraising advantage. So what what would be the you know. Biden is is running from Wilmington Delaware kind of campaign where he wasn't massively outspending Donald Trump. Well I mean I think it's hard to contextualized but it's hard to draw direct comparisons at all. I mean I I I mean certainly trump. For years ago that everything. We thought we knew it was wrong. About how these elections work at least on a national these the big national stage and I mean I just think that if we do end up in a situation that that's that unusual then the oddity of the situation itself will be all the platform that either candidate could hope for that the lack of traditional fund raising the lack of traditional outlets for you know branding or whatever else you want to call it. I think that'll just drive to the front porch. You know and Dr Viewers is to to you. Know does to those recordings I. I think that we've talked about President Trump and Andrew. Cuomo you know talking corona virus area in their in their press conferences every day. And it's obviously not one there either. I mean people are very concerned about finding out the details. We're finding out what they can about the epidemic that we're experiencing but I do think a lot of those eyeballs are just tuning in to see this this new and interesting form of communication or at least something that were not used to seeing from president trump. Certainly not from governor Cuomo over those outside of New York I duNno question is are we in a digital enough world that you don't need it or at least need as much the screaming crowd at the Convention and the screaming crowds out of the Stump Ed that you could run. These campaigns virtually enough to work. Yes I think yes in an yes in multiple ways I mean. I don't think the conventions are particularly. I mean I understand. That gets a lot of attention. Lots of people watch battling. They're necessary it now if we get new. Your if what you said is true and we get new kind of a showdown over. Who if one per- when one party is not going to have one at all in the other party does? I mean that's I guess that's an issue but man. I just came off a weekend of watching Wrestlemainia with no crowd so I have absolutely no doubt that you could have a full fully staged convention week long series of convention speeches that look exactly the same as they normally do just without a crowd. I mean if that's if that's I mean I don't think that's going to happen but there's but you know. The the things that are so impractical are not necessarily the barriers that we think they are and I think a much more functional level. Yeah I think we're I definitely think we're at a technological phaser. We don't need that and I think that you know. Joe Biden giving his nomination speech from the Front Porch of his house with like. You know ten dollar podium in front of them could be could be as big of a moment isn't anything that would happen on like a you know backlit technicolor commission stage. I haven't priced a podium and allows. I'm glad you had a a figure handy for that. That's a cheap podium for the record you you could usually spend a lot of money on podiums. I agree that that can happen. I do think the crowd is a huge part of this right. I mean I have not watched wrestlemainia yet but it strikes me that there is a certain. There is a certain value to having the crowd there. And if you're going to lock people in on political speeches for a couple of days and make it this giant television event right would. That's what it is television event. You want people getting fired up. You want people paying attention. That having someone in a sealed chamber is is going to really take a lot of a lot of juice out of that I I yes and no. I'm listen I think that. Do you want to hear a political speech? I mean to me. Those are all about so much as the crowd going Biden Biden and we know Joe we know Joe as much about whatever. Biden's going to tell us from the podium. Yes you feel fired up. You look at those guys popular everybody in the room. Lakeside Guy. Well if there's one thing that Wrestlemainia taught me it's that if you stick to the same script it's GonNa feel like about fifty percent of what you could have had but there's room for innovation. I mean really simple pathways to innovation that can make seem a whole lot more powerful than it was in the first place. I mean I think and I also think that people are. I don't think forgiving even the right word. I think that people in this moment we're living through right now are open minded and interesting and interested in in kind of what these new versions of reality might look like. You know I mean I think if the XFL come out and done a they did I think they. Xfl had their draft on zoom a year ago or six months ago or whatever and everybody was like look at this low budget you know second rate sport and now the NFL's going to basically have their draft on zoom in the near future and because there's no other option and people are just. I mean this is going to get as many eyeballs. It would have on television because people are just like the first the. Nfl is a big. You know big time obviously but I think people are intrigued as to what this how this possibly come off and I think there's a lot of potential there but you can't be like I said you can't stick to the script and squander your opportunity the unanswerable but fascinating question in the background. Here is what happens when election news just pushed off the front page for months and months at a time which it almost certainly will be the news about the Democrats Suspending their convention until August. That ran on page eight. Twenty two of my addition. Your time thinking about that. It was I literally buried in the paper because it's not one of the top news stories right now and so. I think that's the other question here. Let's let's concede that you know either. Virtual campaign happens. Are we somehow cobble together stump speeches and conventions in a in a semi normal way by the fall? Wha what's the effect of just not thinking really about the presidential campaign for let's say the next three or four months you know. Almost it's almost like we have a British style campaign. We had that tiny window where everybody's actually locked in campaigning. I mean of course but even that doesn't really work because we see trump every day you know and trump is out here giving thanks for better or worse for him and I think it's probably a combination of those things a lot worse but there's probably some better too and of course we don't know how this is all going to turn out but I'm just fascinated by that because when was the last time in American history that the presidential election was the beast story. Never I mean it's it's pretty incredible. Yeah and I don't know if that just favors you know. There's there's a version of that where that kind of you know. Joe Biden sort applauds victory. You know based on general trump INNIS and the Handling the crow virus or trump gets reelected. I don't I don't have a great sense of that but to me. That is interesting question all right time for David. Shoemaker guesses a strain punt headline yes. Thursdays headline about empty rush-hour highways in Norfolk Virginia. Was Hush. Our hush our to distinguish sportswriters. Cinna suggestions David this is from Ivan Mozelle of ESPN RUSH. Limbo Rush Limbo. A loved that again. This is from baseball writer in baseball. Newsletter Writer Joe. Sheehan he one. It's elegantly simple for Norfolk highway story. No Folk Oh. That's no folk. I am embarrassed. We didn't think of either one of those as always headline is from the journalists. Stephen Elliott. It's from high country news which is described as quote an independent magazine dedicated to the coverage of the Western. Us Cool in November. David I did not know this. But there's going to be an initiative on the ballot in Colorado about weather to restore wolves to the state. Wolves were basically hunted existence in Colorado. It will be up to a public vote about whether these wolves can return. What was the high country newses strained Pun Headline Voter trying to partially you just said. I mean it's like wolves at the door wolves at the Wolfson Wolf in sheep's clothing Wolfing Oh another throat another phrase revolving wolves wolves. There is that we go. Flip it around to me. Flip it around for me throw wolves to the people or Through through doorstep throw Wolfson drove wolves to the voters throw out Colorado throws wolves the vote. I Like I love it. It's clever people there at high country news. He is David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis Research by air. Because Avant is in Chris Almeida production magic by Jim Cunningham. And Actually Erica's avant is to Erica's. Were doing everything this week on Thursday David. Let us have the other half of that discussion. We started today. What's like worrying about your parents during Corona Virus? Yes more. Lukewarm takes about the media then.

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Trump in Tulsa, Bubba Wallace, and the Temporary End of the Newsroom

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Trump in Tulsa, Bubba Wallace, and the Temporary End of the Newsroom

"Welcome to the ray or podcast network. I'm Liz Kelly, make sure to subscribe to the ringers. Youtube channel to watch the newest episode of Slow News Day with Kevin. Clark, featuring NFL MVP Lamar, Jackson and anticipation of the NBA's return in late, July NBA desktop with Jason concepcion is backed posting weekly episodes. Also up on our youtube channel are the best clips taken from this week's Bill Simmons podcast through watchable 's and higher learning with Rachel, Lindsay and Ben Lethal. You can find all these videos at YouTube dot com slash during her. Hello media consumers the press box Bryan, Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here. We got a lot of stuff for you. Today we'll talk about that racist incident. Sunday involving NASCAR driver bubble Wallace, who called for his sport to ban the confederate flag. We'll talk about the temporary end of the newsroom. What Journalists GonNa do when they get lonely? All that plus David guesses a strain pun headline and the overworked twitter joke of the week but I. David Donald Trump had a rally in Tulsa Oklahoma on Saturday night. He is subject was not George Floyd. It was not the corona virus. It was how DONALD TRUMP WALKS DOWN A. And this was a steel round. Thought! This was a steel ram. It had no handrail. It was like an ice skating. And I said General. I have a problem and he didn't understand that. At first I said there's no way. I just submitted almost six hundred times I just made a big speech I sat for speeches. I'm being baked I'm being bake a cake. General. There's no way I can make it down that ramp without falling on my ass general. It's really hard. Fernie clip to do the experience of watching that live justice. But I think my favorite part of the whole dissembling of the ramp incident. was that. He didn't actually really try to lie about anything. He just sort of like admitted it in all. It's just ridiculous glory, right? I mean I don't know how many people in the audience and again I don't I don't WanNa you know over generalize about trump's supporters, and particularly the live audience, but like I. Don't know how many of them were heard what he said and we're just like. Yeah, that happens to me. All the time in my leather soled dress shoes. But By the way anybody that owns leathers, zozo dress shoes is probably familiar with the concept of scuffing them. So this sort of thing doesn't happen unless you're just like exclusively a denizen of A. Tower marble-floored mansion something of that sort. Even, then marble marble sounds pretty slippery to me. Maybe you're right But yeah I mean. There is definitely something I think we can all appreciate to. Just if you say the thing, the embarrassing thing out loud in front of people, it becomes less embarrassing sort of own it. Yeah, but trump didn't seem to be particularly self-effacing, except in a few very slight moments, those are probably the best moments of entire speech. Mostly just he seemed like. Like the truth of the matter would bail him out. When in fact, the truth of the matter is what we were talking like. No one was making fun of him for the circumstances that led to him having to go down that ramp except for me, talking about the the the advance scout the advanced people but. He just he walked out. It was just the the visual walking down. The ramp was just hilarious. That's it and it still lists his. His explanation did nothing to change that case. You're incredibly confused right now. What Donald Trump was talking about was, he gave a speech at West Point to graduates on June thirteenth. And as he left the stage, a video caught him taking David mincing steps. Would you say down the ramp at? His is this the time the word mincing was was invented for. I'm not kidding David Watches trump's speech. Live on Saturday night. I'm not kidding when I say trump justifying his slow walk down, the ramp was arguably the main point of the speech. Arguably the main point, here's trump doing some play by play of his journey down the ramp. So what happens? Is I. Start You journey. Inch by inch right. And I was really bent over to. I didn't like that. You know I didn't like this picture. This picture of Joel Being Ed by the fakers. So. I was bent up. And just freeze right there. Erica which you can't see right now is trump is actually walked away from the microphone. He is hunched over. And he is recreating the walk down the ramp for the Pena. Their people there in Tulsa anyway please continue. And then we finally reached almost the end. and. Fake News the most dishonest human beings. They cut it off. You know why. Because when I was ten feet short, I see General I'm sorry. I'm an ran down the rest. Look very handsome that that was the only saw. Disagree on on multiple grounds there. The version of the video that I saw at least the first, the beginning certainly had him making that weird. Closing Lope down the down the ramp. And he did not look particularly handsome. When he was doing that nor heroic Nawrath letting, nor whatever you might want to call it, yeah I always find myself looking for moments when? I can identify with trump on anything 'cause I can't on any matter. Politics, certainly on the more gruesome aspects of his personality, which will get to here in just a moment, but I do know that feeling when you're going down a hill, especially as you get older and you I try to walk down the hill, really slow. and you're like I can't do this. This is actually just not working so I'm just going to. Down the hill, really fast, yeah Mattaya. We'll get down with I. DO UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT? There is something to that now. Whether the fake news media quote, unquote trimmed off the video. I don't know. But I do understand the impulse there at some at some level throughout this beach throughout this portion of this speech, in which he was diagramming his descent down the ramp and subsequently. Discussing Drinking Water. We'll get to that He was accusing the fake news media again. Pointing to the actual media members in attendance. and saying that they. Have? Twisted the truth to serve their anti-trump agenda, but again he's just admitting to everything that happened step by step as diagramming out the thing that ran on the news and by the way. It's really much less of A. Fake news media sensation that moment at compared to the attention got on social media, which is presumably not the target of his ire. Yeah, the other funny thing. He says he's talking about the media taking all this out of context, but then he just goes off and says will. Something is actually wrong with Joe Biden. So, he saying don't look at a video of me. Taking small steps and try to infer something that wrong with me, but let me go ahead and do that about Jovan anyway. After West Point, trump called Malania to check in. Listen to how that went. But I call my wife and I said how good was it Darla. Trending number, one. I said to a great first lady. I said. Let me ask you a question. Was it that good to speech trending number one because I felt it was really good. No, they don't have to mention the speech. They mentioned the fact that you may have Parkinson's disease. Of all the all the lies you would go on. It's L. That's the way I think that that to me was the most the most galling live all that he called Milania task, or how she thought his speech went upon leaving West Point I. Don't know if you can like do an F. I. Request to actually get a transcript of that phone call, but my guess is that. When didn't actually take place now at that same? June west points page. There was another video of trump having to use two hands to kind of bring a glass of water to his lips. In Tulsa this weekend, do you think trump quickly moved on to the economy in his speech, or do you think he did yet? Another long riff on why he held a glass that way to protect his silk tie? The answer may surprise you. You had on a very good read time. That's the sort of expensive. It's still. They look better. They have a better sheen to him. And I don't WanNa. Get Water on the time. And I don't WanNA drink much lifted up the water. I see. We have a little glass of water where the hell did this water. Where did it come from? And I looked down on my talk because I've done it. I've taken water. And spills down in this is looking for a long time, and frankly the never the same so I put it up to my lip A. Just a case? And they gave me though the disease. Is And What trump's doing there at the end is actually drinking a glass of water on the stage with one hand. To prove to the audience that he could do it now, Saturday David was the first trump campaign rally in three months. We have protesters in the streets of the United States. We have the coronavirus raging in parts of the country. Trump. Did, not move on from those two perceived slides the ramp and then the water glass until the thirty six minute mark of his speech. There all kinds of detours about how trump got a sunburn at west point and Cetera et, Cetera and I just want you to just just again just before we move onto what he actually said, just listen to the evident disappointment in trump's voice when he dismounts from all this complaining about his treatment on social media and starts reading the teleprompter of the speech. He was actually supposed to give. Okay! That's enough of that I. wanted the Dow that so does everybody understand that so? The left wing anarchists. Tore down a statue of Thomas Jefferson. We're getting into the real. Everybody understand that story okay. Where was I joe? Biden is a member of ANTIFA. Yeah. Just completely different tone. In those two things the big. News David from Saturday night was. was. Trump had a bunch of empty seats. Team trump told us they got one millionth ticket requests. They said we're GONNA, pack, nineteen thousand people into the be okay arena, and have this big outdoor overflow area that will be so full that trump will have to give a speech there. Two's going to give a speech outside. It's GONNA be inside. Well. According to the fire Marshall's trump only drew about sixty two hundred people, which didn't even fill up the arena. The outdoor stage was taken apart where the speech even started much to trump's apparent wrath. As the ringers Justin charity noted in a piece, it's up on the site now. Reportedly, the one million ticket requests included countless registrations from subversive K pop fans and Tiktok us. Oh my gosh, well. You know the campaigns going well when the campaign manager is. Loudly pushing back against any insinuation that the that the ticket, the ticket allocation process might have been gained by Cape. Fans because he's so fears for his own job security. And that's eating of oxygen from the competing claims from the White House. That you know. There were nefarious actors, foot, or also I guess there trump's claims kind of vague. The night of the of the speech were that there were bad actors outside on the streets, protesters or whatnot. Who were somehow? Prevented the the speech that was he was supposed to give before the speech that the outside speech, the overflow crowd, and I guess implicitly prevented people from getting in to the. Yes. That was that was part of it, and by the way, didn't you love when when we started having those funny pictures of all the empty seeds, and immediately the twitter skuld showed up. And said well, you know. Attendance at a rally does not mean that trump is going to lose the election in November. That is not the king. Can't we have our fun? We. Can you give us like ten seconds to laugh at this before we get the going out? That doesn't mean Biden's GonNa, win I will listen I. Don't I don't want to insinuate any sort of meet up media bias on anyone side but I did. Flip it when I think the towards the very beginning of the speech I flipped from. I think from MSNBC, which had a sort of was, the camera was pulled back, and there was a lot of empty space in the sea of or in the floor space in front of him. It looks sort of like you know. Like midnight it Hillary's victory. Party you know you know. All the results inserted rolling in. And then you slip over to Fox and it's like it's