19 Episode results for "David fromm"

Bartolomiol Ius Naturae DOCG Prosecco 2018

The CheapWineFinder Podcast

06:01 min | 4 months ago

Bartolomiol Ius Naturae DOCG Prosecco 2018

"David fromm undo dot com today. We've got the last of the holiday for twenty twenty eight. We've been doing a bunch of different ones from champagnes. It didn't cost all that much crazy. Her with weird grapes. Very singular wines. And she those cheap washington state bubbly. That was delicious and now i've got a vintage organic. It's about twice. The price is normal for sacco the twenty eighteen. It's valuable benny regent. Inside the other growing region in the middle has us really hilly section perspectives. See that's the rules or regulations that applied to open the metal. There is still cg. And that's because it's being to be the prion growing reach ellie break like pills for one reason. The blanket planted staggered so each find gets some sun sun. When it rains water goes downhill and the vines are the roots. Get a drink. The water does pool doesn't get bold us get disease it just keeps on going so there's a lot of good conditions and plus the soil conditions and there's other things involved there in the middle. That's where this game organic. The nearest certified organic seen more more wines. That don't certify is a costs money to certify people. Don't pay more for certified wides organic wine. So they just grow in doesn't matter. They don't have a certification. This went certified. And it's from problems. Because i've never actually heard the name of this word spoken written for low meal. Use natural organic recycle superior. Dnc achieved then. Just twenty eight fifteen. The italian name for this natural law ve bungled the italian. There you go. This is a state. Grown organic vineyards can share that method. For put an autoclave the wind goes into auto play for second fermentation where the bubbles come in and with boasts supermarket per weeks. Maybe this is three months and another two months after that in the bottle before they let it go and twenty eight thousand a little more time than that. That's the that's new. Technology only need three must the pressurized. When you do it in the bottle of takes longer to that's sixteenth century or fifty century technology this nineteenth century cheap. I think this might be an maybe not. But the one. I can recall the spurs vintage per second and last drink at the first thing i thought about is if i drank a vintage for seco- as my first for psycho i would have known what. Choose for the priced ones. This one does everything right. It has good body to it has wait to it at the flavors are both tired in sour smooth and they ask that it's got the sys- lean length of the city. That never never fights it's just connect flows through it. Let's go wine bowl. Took but then again. I was thinking if i drink this. I the ten dollar twelve dollars probably wouldn't be good enough. I wanna drink the route. Twenty looks would the drink all the time. Maybe it's better off than i drink the other stuff because he don't survive caught super perspective. But i'm joking about that little bit and it's not that it's bad it's uniformly good. I like it. But i don't really have one that i drink up by what's on sale. Steel they're all kind of good. And i really can't tell the difference for the most part between the do g at a dlc it tasty can all the same. The natural law is a cut above. I'm not sure you can find this everywhere. You're not gonna have to go to a wine shop and tell you why it's you might not have this. There's other brands out there. That do vintage but judging from this one is worth it's worth looking for that's it for this year. Hope everybody will have a good holiday. I still got one more. Why coming up. And i'm not quite sure what to do with that but we'll see a couple of days and then onto next year which twenty twenty one should be different in a very good way. So i'll talk to everybody one more time before Happy new year. So keep a cheap over an out and i'll be talking to buy.

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Rust and Go Research with Linhai Song

Software Engineering Daily

49:53 min | 4 months ago

Rust and Go Research with Linhai Song

"Rust and go. Lang are two of the newest lower level languages for doing systems programming. There often used for applications such as file systems operating systems and latency sensitive applications. So how do they compare in terms of safety speed and programming ergonomics to each other. Lynn high song is an assistant professor and researcher at penn state university and joins the show talk about his work researching. Go and rust. If you'd like to support software daily go to software daily dot com and become a paid subscriber you can get access to add free episodes and it costs ten dollars a month or one hundred dollars per year. If you want to build with modern front and frameworks like react view next jay. S and eleven thirty. You need a place to host your content sanity dot. Io is a platform the lets you treat content as data and use next generation. Api's to integrate with websites and apps. You don't have to choose between great developer experience in great workflows for authors. You can give your team a real time. Collaborative editing environment. The you can customize to their needs. You can let them see who did what and rollback everything. Join some of the world's biggest brands creating great experiences on sanity dot. Io it's free to get started but you can also get double the included monthly usage by trying out free at sanity dot io slash s daily that sanity dot io slash s daily. When i welcome to the show thank you. You work on programming language research. Can you give an overview of the kinds of research topics. You're focused on. Okay so basically start on by puget. The ra- map ugity a mile the wiser educated me to do research different techniques to combat different types box when i started to became a faculty depending the research are i hope to continue this research. need to on the some newell angle on new specs. I noticed that you read in the yards prolong Dander the proposal allowed to new language. So the new language the out these under the go to intimidate box from a language liable when our producer the language on the competitor. How the dom to eight minute. The common mistakes. So it's kinda my attention on the drama interest. I won't to see whether or not those anguish journey. All company today solves the problem. Though is equally days idea. motivated to projects all to lands of my research. One i take a look Conversely bach gingko language because goal is designed fall carbon the rummy the author direction as Controversy bugs memory box lost because ross is designed to fall memory safety and the threat to safety so basically all my car ongoing projects as focus off commerce about goal on the combating memory on the controversy box. Trust can you get more detail on. What a language level bug is okay. It's kinda like you know that. The other to support concurrent rummy go provide many unique permit him such as the channel so basically threat custody a message to another thread. Visit different from traditional peru emmy falsely on the c. plus plus days support shannon memory so basically tool stress come visit the same memory location. Budging go go. Also pod to transmit from thrived It david fromm shannon memory asia so basically look programmer. The your cheinal make another mistake under. The georgios confirms box. Those dogs have different phaser from the traditional shannon memory box. They wasn't the person i me out. The roster ross has allowed a unique language phaser voids ample roused allah wearable renewable on the ball on the roster also laptop to automatically manage. Some resources will absorb that derive her thumb nissan. The stood those Undone they misuse those language So that they called candle. You'll need a box need. Ross perot any. Ross perot. well why does this interest you so much in cook. There are several reus. The first reason is this trooper. Language go under arrest on very popular. These days go was used to infant docker and the kuban so basically derek would be hundred songs. Will meetings dot guardian says irony. Dangerous center ran up so that ivanka identity box. You'll tactics to avoid box. I'll to detect about my research about Impact vol rusk. Ross has it became the most beloved language in the last four years of based on stack overflow survey on the mall the mall developer dating from c c plus to rust. I leading that ross is going to be used by allowed to Atownlow by many unmanly does as a Mistake on the proposed these tactics to combat those common mistakes research. how jerry lot impact a real world impact. Let's focus on go. I can you say more about the kinds of currency bugs in go that you're focused on. Okay we basically published a study paper. 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We applied to go language under wiggled. Another paper we just under see what the notice the paper was assassinated by next year. Asp plus on our technique founded Android previous on though in. Bob worry pogo dot go up occasion. Such as doctor koop manati. Utd and the goal compiler. What is involved in modelling. How a channel works through static analysis. So you'll know that tunnel. The tunnel has a sender receiver cinder threat on a receiver. Arthritis one biggest difference between channel under general I think that using channel whilst rather companied fall message from multiple channel for multiple. Surprise if you want to use shadow memory unit. You'll need to your tax from your tax. And i need home is only was threat. Con held is howdy that lock on that tax basically lay. What guy Lock there is another guy to acquires. Knock body. massive Was coming to fall message for multiple serreze. Sometimes ones also has come at the same time. They go scheduler of go wrong home. It will now data mayonnaise. Lay truce want to do the executed to do the execution. So that's it is dragged up so we think they'll do this feature they controversy. All the sky. Duty is mall complex if we Message to do the strategy synchronisation that if we say shannon memory a lock the dialogue will it have as dharma will strath Each other but if wheels channel to do the communication we absolve alaric. Particular tableau bach. There is only one tool channel. David fall message. Al-zubeida fog to send out message on china. But no other surprise is waiting for that message is kind of like one guy rainfall to unblock itself but actually no other threats waiting for the balkans so is like they now Low-wage assumption is a remote Channel it will be china. I think these Big davis comparative traditional synchronization Noattacks unlock so. This is the research domain with real practical applications. You would say yes. We are box in dr nadi base. Legally those out the most popular goal of location based our did hop stars based to open occasion. Both of them are among the top straight. Can you say more about the experience of discovering bugs in those applications. Okay so basically all those occasion. The open sauce of acacia busy could leave. Their school is available on gain. Hop of what may data is download. The latest of worship of those of acacia. Re apply out hike. Make unav- identifies definitely Report box and sometimes there are some false alarm me. Both me on my students almost the whole group way us back usually resource to decide whether it is a bog. It is a false up a visa. Recent it is a vooc we some mesa bog to it up. Basically it will be the about dog her. We will file issue. Report to the dog of acacia. Basically dogar her developed reveal our our reports. They will decide whether or not one ray what we told them is it true if also said Daviel create a patch all sometimes Or to create a patch to fix those republican bach under us in good right now darah around two hundred bucks. We identified already fixed in the mall. Reason worship of the goal of an occasion. A as it why wasting our gender rich a real work. All real impact. Can you give some perspective on. How rust and go compares languages. Okay so go is mall designed for conquering the We know that almost every computer they how multi call cpo so current Became on all important. Undergo is designed for that purpose. Another feature will go. That goal is friendly to you'll language to new guys. I mean in terms of learning goal. So it is very friendly to those your programmer. I think these as Another reason why go became more popular unto many people they write a lousy blog saying that go has a potential of to dominate the site of an occasion under. I think i think a property go has a potential to replace jar script A personal opinion rust roster is designed to eight a minute although the memory box So basically z. We know that sees are good edge to manipulate the low level hardware on the superwomen has murdered. Performance comparable results backed up by a trauma. Shin unknown Budgets dach-. C has allowed to marry because On her to excess memory until late has another. Murray bug those memory Potentially be exploited became secure a security Rosty xango is ross. Devante y'all's static competitive check tool it admitted to identify potential memory. Buck if derive Rule dump south. They are cold to the Attached it does not have any bach as the competitor feel. The code is a spatial Is going to blog. Become malaysia does not allow the upper to compile their code this as a feature arrest. Ross home. So that the pavonis. Ross perot is also very fast. Basically roster takes day He's a performance advantage on lost checks to eight amid insults memory. Bobby see those worrying politics. Our severe memory about the city so roster tried to target the most severe problem in c language on the many big companies such as microsoft amazon. They begin to yours roster Some key component originally used for Language they tried to trench those even tation Nations lost with the goal dach- they have the same performance Debra how almost zero a security vulnerability. Today show is sponsored by strong. Dm if you're working from home managing gazillion s. database passwords and coober nettie starts is difficult meet strong. Dm you can manage an audit access to servers databases and kuban. Eddie's clusters no matter where your employees are with strong. Dm you can easily extend your identity provider to manage infrastructure access automate on boarding off boarding and moving people within rolls with the click of a button. It's trusted by companies like hearst peleton in so-fi to manage access so you'll have more control and less hassle strong. Dm manage an audit remote access to infrastructure. Start your free trial today for fourteen days at strong dot com slash se daily. There's no credit card required that's strong. Dm dot com slash s daily. Thanks to strong demand for being a sponsor so tell me more about the applications that goes a good fit for verses the applications that rust is a good fit for okay go is gonna fall though somerset acacia. We know that several of occasion. They need a tool. They need to process different requests. Sent his up. Your alley will past is arrived of the several occasions is going to create a surprise to process that request To process that request these why goal is origo damage goes downfall Allow me on the servers Need allowed to come the parole me. This is why goal is suitable very good at to build a rosette of caja such as proxy basically but there's no obligation. They don't lie database. These other occasion on the goal is also go down to two Agassi poise Area to go worship of our library of cost. The most famous right now is dog. Her unequivocal addy is equally eight. Those two Are popular in data center in modern data center for rust roster. Basically it is going to. It is designed to replace see on the Ross as go down to implementers. Low level of security critical application such are already Albro under There is a container management tool designed the by although it is implemented Rust let's talk a little bit about rust. You've mentioned your work on static analysis go. What's your working rust. We want to all right. All basically build a gooey. You can see. Dr eight is preventing tool so when wednesday writings code. I will talk. How do without virtualization there isn't worrying. Important accounts in roster call the laptop basically roster Strict compile time checking the checking centers around to call sapped wise ownership otherwise laptop so basically Owner wearable the owner outcome. The value is going to be dropped off rated that a competitor we absorb. That sometimes. Do not have go. Standing over are both laptop it can cause by reebok such as us offer. Free agent also calls For example there is no a- lock. It is different from say on the products. Plus the log is impetus impetus today caught so basically. When you call a log the log function call is going to return ravaris under the wearable holdings reference when data are both map. Tom along is Caught by the compiler. We absolve because through our knowledge on a stunned rear. Kinda cannot understand the laptop some pumps the to. How'd a log longer than the expectation inside the critical section the mug it is possible to crowd ago causing double log data log. This is becoming rust on the racing. Those are due to the reason Outstanding they left hand crack. Today we'd be with a tool or id tool during winter For me when they are writing roster code. I will tool a health bill. Wavered is the home scope for us active herbal so that driver can check whether or not our asian matches of their expectation if it is not matched properly to fater whether or not the made a mistake on the weather notch above as a about his introduced. So basically abe build a wall. is The variables that come on. How do i ever. Ah lloyd buck during these years we. How are you dumped another zain. Another ongoing project thatch. Aw technique called the phasing fussing technical Generate allowed to randomly imports to explore different. Kalija approve them to identify memory. Bought closet Video to a most a fact technique to detect all expose potential memory problem of falls. 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You can start that free trial and get a free t shirt go to software engineering daily dot com slash data does the work and rest have practical applications like the practical applications of go. Yes our work are working new case it. There are several os The lost while is it is a was. I see you can see eighty s the washer lucas Wasn't they will as it's called rocks. Anonymous in is there is a worth dairies. Broader the civil swell no broader it has implemented bad the roster team so basically wall no some component of the small is already replace the call a fire fox fair folks is also a broader men. Tend undesired imitated by a roster is language a human hit by. What's up on the missoula person was people. Think ross is safer her than she on the boss so they are Shower safety critical component in phar- folks has already used has already been replaced at. They are rusted worship. Auerbach was about studied a come from those off immersive. project gonzalves application such as they swallow i just mentioned on the docks the operative stump i think it has implemented stanford university although it is not as popular as nervous but i will that mon multi ball trying to explore this unusual style. Tell me more about how you structure your research projects when you're delving deep into how you can improve programming languages systems. This isn't All we actually have a meeting. We ask Tim basic under the oscars contract Roster what we are going to do on the. I think it is already good hours of draw the attention from y'all language designer as it is worry exerting. Yeah definitely since studied is a common mistake made about. The arbor underway devastating. The prolonged designers cedar hall do challenges. Our language a holiday improve language to help a programmer. Not make the mistake ago. 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Since we are comparing all studied different language designate. Some go to feature some of the wattage a new by language How the other language. What are the gaps in programming language quality. When you look at go and rust. How could these languages improved or the tooling around them. Both of those two languages of the how are good. Language facial soccer has the confirmed the program usa polish on the compound. Check up a stall owner shape laptop zones Great language box of costs a Bills moderating you'll on the all being approved on the wasn't davin khandu is our team can do is we can build mall tool to have preliminary To language on the weekend. Also help summarize the date on this 'cause designer to see rather on the new language also existing asia or can be modified to how do our part on now to make those mistakes. Any mall young. I think the of caused our many other language a peer all were the yours on the weekend avenue. 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We definitely need some. Tom tool to transfer to two new approval our way to improve saudi on. Ross absolve dodge darnall to the pru. They're still needed to depends all stay. People have woken all see on the cross for so many years down to lag. See court where we go. The existing uc on the Loss those in you'll language those in your language avenue to all existing call. Stop although. I think that those the new to to language are really great. But i think the p. paul nita still need a time to fully without those two language are no think of the yukon system is kind of lack for something that has good To to do it in goal. Rust dual. That are the falls. Lexi part while some nausea coach if there are capitalism prostate at c. Unsee prospects worship. They come by goal. Ways sees deposits plus all roster. See on the cross. Come on dave rendall cold together. How does the compiler toolchain go and rust respectively compared to other compiler tool chains like c. Plus plus goeke basically go designer go company today implemented our compiler fogel by that compiler is very simple almost has no as asia. Why resume hall competitive them. As asia goal is featured as as as drug up goes Than me depart is very complex by as whereas symbol for us roster reuse are added a second so basically ross share the competitor backend as cnc. Pass plots one. Ross data is rust. front-end ross data allowed to competitive. Tom check as we justice caused based on ownership laptop also cherokee call dominated on the competitive from closet background for the almost optimization. Those part The possible russia saw Trust share something with cnc process under it. Also add some unique chugging befall those existing automats asia if you had to build an operating system tomorrow jeez go arrest I will use rust because asking the performance is are important fall out operating system on the as rosters go that route they did. You see there have been a lot of actual production operating systems that had been written in rust. Darussalam are offering stock. But i'm not sure how many people yielding the. He's kind of geof famous. A lot of people know that. But i kind of see without going to see. Is those operatives if not as ask All your pen to. Let's i see as maybe zoo became popular culture. But right now it has not sums. docker Ninety so it has not so he did not ask. That land will buy definitely Auburn says researcher. They know there are some os. Our team put him into the us. Can you say more about the kinds of deadlocks that your khun currency in memory bug detection tool can help detect okay. So basically you'll the attack neighbor to static analysis to identify box caused by news channel. So it's kinda mall like modern Deposit in goal. It has different from. Just transitional memory Deadlock so basically. 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You need to solve one problem which is also skill. i'll do apply alta Able our steady on either to analyze a sites so we also did we also designed a some arizon- to enable the Our proposed technique. Well thanks pleasure. Okay thank you. So much triple bite is a network of over two hundred thousand top engineers. It works with more than four hundred tech companies including coined base zukas dropbox and facebook dribble by this focused on matching high quality. Engineers with great jobs triple bite. Is the lincoln for software engineers. It showcases your tech skills to recruiters so you can focus on writing code not your resume. There's no more irrelevant outreach. From recruiters about roles. You're not interested in with triple y you get roles that you are interested in and you can set granular preferences so that you get matched only with rules that you are interested in and you let the right roles. Just come to you. 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What's The Breaking Point At The Border?

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35:13 min | 2 years ago

What's The Breaking Point At The Border?

"Support for NPR comes from investor dot gov. Presenting this message when it comes to investing. We all have questions and investor dot gov has answers, it's your free resource for tools. Tips and information about investing before you. Invest investor dot gov. This is one A. I'm Todd's willik in Washington America is full no vacancies. That's the message. President Trump sent to immigrants last Friday when speaking at the US Mexico border in collects co California. So as I say, this is our new statement the system is full can't take anymore, whether it's asylum. Whether it's anything you wanted illegal immigration can't take anymore. Still thousands of immigrants migrants arriving at the border daily flow that the country is ill prepared to manage in a recent cover story for the Atlantic senior editor David Frum argues that the political impasse over immigration has led to the radicalization of our politics, and the rise of authoritarian ideas, he challenges the country to address the question at the heart of the immigration debate. How many people should we let into America, and who should those people be David fromm article for the Atlantic is called if liberals won't enforce. Borders. Fascists will David fromm is here. It's great to have you in the studio so much you use some fire for that article in and we're gonna get into why? But but it's really sparked a discussion and later in the hour. I want to say we're going to be joined by writer and journalist Jose Antonio Vargas, who's going to challenge some of the arguments that you made and we're going to have a real discussion about it. Because the the binary discussion over immigration gone to the polls some of what I think you're you're hoping to remedy here. So let's go to the title if liberals won't enforce the borders, the fascists will what did you mean by that? Well, thank you for saying the article drew fire at seven thousand words, you're either igniting a fire or dropping a very wet blanket atop the fire. So better a little spark the title, you site is a phrase in the article, and it's the title of the online edition, the print edition has a a little more anodyne a title, but I have been reporting on the immigration issue since the early nineteen. Nineties writing about it for a long time. And what I have been worried about for a long time. And it has come to pass in the past decade is if the flow of immigration becomes too much, you provoke reactions, I just predictable thing, and you give rise to reactionary politics, and we have seen that in the European Union. This we have seen what has happened since Angola. Merckel open the borders of Germany in the summer of twenty fifteen to one point two million refugees from all over the world most extensively from Syria. But in fact, from everywhere that set in motion the collapse of liberal government in Poland, and it was a crucial step on the way to the British vote to leave the European Union, which I regard as a big mistake, of course, immigrations approximate cause of the rise of Donald Trump, not the only cost but the nearest costs. So I have been warning for a long time this that there are things that people just want done. They want crime prevented back in the sixties told. People. If you the only racist would be concerned about crime in the nineteen thirties. They were concerned about unemployment at that time there stablishment figures only the communists cared about unemployment. The whole point to responsible politics is to identify to listen to the voters, but what are the important issues, and then to provide responsible solutions last thing you said this at the very beginning. The Trump presidency has radicalized this debate to a point where people do think of this as a binary choice. The kind either come one come all or the country is full the United States in every developed country needs some immigration. We don't replace ourselves. Birth rates are below the number to keep even the population stable, and of course, in a mobile world, people companies firms individuals one to attract pound and people marry outside their national boundaries. So there's going to be movement. So it's a question of of how much and that is question Americans have tended in recent years to think about in polemical rod than responsible with well, if the immigration debate is the proc. Zimet cause of the rise of Donald Trump in your view. Let's talk about the proximal moment of immigration with Donald Trump. Because after the purge of last week, the removal of the homeland security secretary and several other officials of the president not only has said in his own words that he wants to get tougher. The administration has signaled a possible return to some of the policies like child family separation even if it's rounded around the edges to avoid the court some other other policies as well. Definitely a signal from the president that he wants to get even more hard line is this the sort of quote, unquote, fascist response that you're talking about these types of policies in the servicing of frustration and anger for the basement. Well, this is what I I worry about enormously because President Trump's policies not only won't work. They've already failed. The the flow of Central American border-crossers slowed in two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen and has been exceleron ding in twenty eighteen and twenty nine hundred on his watch. And it looks like it's going to be one hundred thousand people. In in the past in the month of March, which is a rate of of unauthorized border crossing faster than the peak of the illegal immigration movements of the nineteen nineties. The President Trump isn't trying to solve this problem. He doesn't care and he has no idea he's using this problem as the basis of his reelection campaign. So if if you wanna stop them, you'll have to address this because taking it one hundred thousand Central American border crossers who are claiming asylum, but are not going to get it. And we're not Athetic asylum-seekers that that is a formula for disaster. Let me talk specifically about Central America. The rate of Central America is a disorderly violent place, but American law does not give you a right of asylum because your your place of origin is disorderly environment. Not only that the rate of the amount of violence in Central America has dropped precipitously down by seventy five percent since the peak year of two thousand thirteen and yet the border crossings are up and up and up because central Americans being rational people like us be motivated. To better their lives like anybody else. Immigrants of the same as everybody else. They see that there's a new path to get into the United States. So of course, they're taking it and the American response should be is it a blaming people or threatening violence against them to say, look, we can see what's happening here. This is a an abuse of the asylum system asylum system needs to be fixed, a clear message needs to be sent you or knock would be able to enter this the United States this way, and you need to find a way to deter people from coming in the first place, and you need to do it while keeping sight of the humanity of people that in a way they're doing what you would do in their shoes. But we are doing what they would do if they were in Arshi said, I wanna make sure we pull away then from the issue of the crisis in asylum and people using that system to get into the country quite rationally to depress effective case. Who should we be asking to come here? Who should we be enabling to come here? And what's best for our economy, and our culture. Well, the United States right now Lee takes legally, but one point two million people year that's a number that was set in the nineteen ninety and it was right at quite accidentally. And it's very unlikely that if the number was right in nineteen ninety remains the right number all these years later about almost seventy percent of those people are here because they are related to somebody who got here earlier, they are not being chosen by the United States with any reference to the needs of the United States that basically immigrant one comes in spawn settles becomes a citizen sponsors relatives, they come in sponsored their relatives. And again, they're behaving rationally from their point of view, but they're not meeting any American requirements. So my my proposal in the article is we we revisit the immigration choices of nineteen ninety. And I think that makes more sense to go back to the choices of the nineteen eighties. When the United States took about five hundred fifty thousand legal immigrants here, and that is enough to stabilize more than enough to stabilize the. Population. Even at five fifty we'll have a growing population. That's David from of the Atlantic. Today's conversation tackles of big question who belongs in America. We're going to be adding another voice to this conversation in just a little bit. And we're adding your voice as well. Kansas patriot wrote on our website, the USA is the melting pot of the world, and we are much better as a result. I enjoy the culture's foods in experiences that immigration immigrants bring to our country international borders are nothing more than lines drawn on a map speaking with David from of the Atlantic his views on immigration policy in America. I'm Todd relic. Stick with us. You're listening to one eight from WMU and NPR. Support for NPR and the following message come from VS p individual vision plans offering coverage for a low monthly cost. If you don't have vision coverage through an employer, you'll get access to the nation's largest network of independent doctors and hundreds of name-brand frames. Plus you can save more than two hundred dollars a year. 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Here's here's the policy conundrum along those lines that you describe in your article, it goes like this two little immigration, and you freeze your country out of the modern world too much or the wrong kind and you over stress your social insurance system, and possibly up end your democracy. Choose well, and you build a stronger richer country for both newcomers and the long-settled choose badly, and you aggravate inequality and inflame the intergroup hostility. Yes. As again, it's not all or nothing. It's not. Yes. Or no. I'm a naturalized citizen myself. I was born in Canada was naturalized in the United States in two thousand and seven and I come from a long line of migrants. Three of my four grandparents were born subjects czar, nNcholas the second. They they they made it across the ocean. And in the Nick of time to. But you you have to you have to think carefully, and you also have to think about the kind of society, we're building let me give you a very practical problem that we face as a result a pass choices there about eleven million people illegally present in the United States. The peak decade for illegal immigration was the nineteen nineties. We continue to have. I mean, the twenty tens may end up being a new peak, but the nineteen nineties where last week about the majority of those eleven million people have been here for more than a decade and given that the nineteen nineties or the peak probably the typical illegal immigrant at this point is a person in his or her forties. What happens when they turned sixty five. They're not going home, but they're not entitled to Medicare or social security do just ignore them. Or do you very suddenly at the last minute, legalize them and bring them into the social insurance system. What does that do to the economics of Medicare and your fear is as articulated in the article is that you can wind up with an underclass because with those millions of people who are not entitled to public benefits social security and Medicare they they? We use this cliche on the fringes, but they remain without access to the social safety net. We we we have that. Now in nineteen seventy only about three percent of the people inside the boards of the United States were not US citizens everybody virtually everybody could vote serve on. A jury was protected by the full range of law now in the immigration, magnet states, New York, California, Florida places like that Ken percent or more than ten percent are non-citizens in some cities and states in California counties, and California, you've got groups of twenty and thirty people who are occupy variety of subordinated legal status. So a key reason that you want to have less immigration is so you can absorb not just culturally immigrants, learn the language, and and they do more or less. Well, depending on what they bring with them in terms of human capital, making it into the American economic system, but to make Americans out of them, and that means by the way, protecting them against the society that can often be quite repayments. I don't think it's because of immigration, for example, that the United States. Has become a more unequal society so dramatically, but had it remained the equal society that it was it would not have tolerated. The the level of illegal immigration and the subordination of people that comes as a result. Now, David from the policies that you're talking about would require bipartisan buying an and you have it's in the title of your article, you have this challenge to liberals if you don't get serious about the border, the demagogues and the fascists in that online title will do it for you. But we had consensus or something close to it. At least in the Senate in two thousand thirteen when the so called gang of eight four Republicans for Democrats came together on immigration reform in the Senate. Let me let me give you this. This is South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham on the floor at the time to the American people. You've got to be frustrated by your congress, not being able to do the hard things aren't sometimes even the simple things. This should give you a little bit of hope that for the first time since two thousand. And seven the United States Senate in a bipartisan fashion as is about to pass legislation on an important topic. This emotionally tough, but needs to be dealt with broad immigration reform, sixty eight votes in the Senate, fourteen Republicans were for it. I think today if that Bill were to come up Lindsey Graham would vote against it. He's up for reelection in South Carolina. And I think there's some of your critics might say, hey, look from liberals were at the table. They were for enforcing the border. They did vote for consensus approach. They have voted for increased border security time after time after time as an inducement to get Republicans to the table a bit. Now, this argument has veered into the politics of dehumanisation and racism, and until that ends appeasement is not a smart strategy. You have to read the fine print of what was agreed in twenty two thousand seven to two thousand and thirteen. So those those so-called comprehensive agreements, and there are many different varieties them always had to LA. Moments in common. The I was a big increase in total numbers. So they were fusions of immigration advocacy, plus employer interests. And so there's a program of legalization of the people who are here illegally plus big increases in numbers in every category because we wouldn't make choices. And so the answer's rather than do trade offs rather than say have less family immigration will keep the family immigration. We have. And then at a big new tranche of employer sponsored immigration on top. And and it was on that question of total numbers those agreements foundered. And here's why this total numbers question is so important people who arguing me make the very here's the one of the best arguments gains me. You say if you look compare the flow of legal immigration to the population the country today and compare it to nine thousand nine hundred although it feels like we're getting a lot of immigration actually, relative to the existing population. The United States we're getting a lot more in nineteen hundred than we are now, and that's true. But the difference between now in one thousand hundred nineteen hundred Americans were also having a lot of children. And so even when you had very big flows actually, the percentage of foreign born people in the population declined. There are fewer foreign born with people in the population in nineteen ten than eighteen ninety despite the huge influx now because Americans have so few children smaller flows of immigration are reshaping the country fast. And we are about in the year two thousand and twenty-seven on our January to pass the all time peak for foreign born the population, and then keep rising forever as promised. I want to add another voice someone with a different perspective than David Frum to this conversation. Jose Antonio Vargas is the founder of define American which promotes positive representation of immigrants in the media. His memoir is called dear America notes of an undocumented citizen. It was published last year Jose joins us from K UT in Austin, Jose, good to talk to you again. Thank you for having me, your your reaction to what you've heard so far from David fromm of the Atlantic. So I've actually been reading David since I was I think in middle school and high school I arrived in this country. No, no, no. As a disrespect I need that actually because you know, he wrote a book called dead, right? I think this was like right after I was in middle school. I arrived there in one thousand nine three. And you know, because I since I was a kid. I have been confused by definition of Lear who's a liberal who's a conservative like what does that mean? Right. And so I've been I've been following his work since then. And when his when his cover story was published. I tried reading it at least three times. Because I take David a serious thinker in a serious, man. And this is in the cover of the Atlantic. And then you know, how a scanning Twitter must journalists are want to do. I saw this tweet from Peter Brian Lou, I think he's the editor of v dare. Which is like a white nationalist site, and Peter tweeted, there's nothing here that be there dot com. This is a court. This is reacting to the cover story. There's nothing here that the dot com hasn't been saying for twenty years yet, we're shadow band do platform while while David while problem gets featured in the Atlantic go figure so V dare endorses at least on social media. What they'd social media what they've read in article what they've article, and then, you know, as a journalist I went through, and actually I really loved us David this question, you know, when you get a chance to have this conversation all of those stats that he mentioned about the economic contributions of immigrants documented or undocumented. I was really curious where he got those facts from because they were not linked in the article. So I'll I'll I'll contact David directly and try to figure out where he directly got those stats because for example, I'm undocumented. This tax season. I'm about to actually pay botch. Write a check to the department of treasury because undocumented workers pay billions of dollars in taxes and contribute. Billions of dollars more in social security, David into article makes the argument that this is a wash that this doesn't really add up to anything, positively. I I don't know what to make it that given that you know, I'm in Texas right now in their entire industries in Texas. You know, I'm looking at the American immigration counsel dot org, which I recommend people to look at. And you look at the state of Texas right about what a forty percent of the construction industry here in Texas. Rely on immigrant labor thirty percent of the agriculture of of accommodation and food services agriculture administrative and support waste management thirty percent. So when you take immigrants out documented Orrin documented, what does that do to the economy? So so that's the argument. But the bigger question though, that I really want to grapple that and taught I really applaud you for trying to make sure that we keep going back to this bigger question of who belongs in America. And I really want to talk to David about his thoughts about cutting legal immigration in half. Right. Look, I I am here in this country because of the family unification part of the immigration law that changed in nineteen sixty five right? Like, I'm I'm one of thirty five Filipino Filipino Americans. Here. I'm the only one out of thirty five was undocumented everybody else in my family's naturalized like David or born here if you cut legal immigration in half. There are many immigrant families families. Right. Asian families lot next families African Caribbean families who would lose family members. I don't really know how to square the history of this country, which what in the in the mid eighteen hundreds. We walk him what six million Germans to this country into like the Ellis Island era. So what's the difference between Germans polish Irish Irish Italians moving here in eighteenth and nineteenth century, many of whom by the way, didn't speak English. Right. I think at one point we had six German newspapers in this country right versus people who are coming now. Well, let's put that very question to David fromm before we have to take a break in Lorraine doughty tweets along those lines. Trump is only concerned, and I don't mean to lump you in David fromm with Donald Trump in this sense. But Trump is only concerned about Brown and black immigrants. Why no concern for all the Europeans the Chinese and Russians the Norwegians the Irish who he wants this country who arrived by plane and overstay their visas illegal workers pay into social security and are not eligible for benefit. Let me take the so number these points quickly. And I let me deal with the the point from Vida Darren Peter breslow, who's a Canadian. I I know him before. He. Chose a dark path, unfortunately, and he did choose a dark path during the campaign. I was approached by a acquaintance who worked for who worked on the Trump campaign and said Donald you've been talking about immigration this way since the nineties Donald Trump is now saying many of the things that you said, so why you backing him because I did not. And I I set these things since the nineteen ninety s to stop Donald Trump not to help. I didn't know it was going to be Donald Trump. But this is that the danger that I've been warning about a now it's here. So I don't welcome this danger. I'm not going to enable this danger. I am aghast more probably than even Jose. I am aghast by what is happening to to the United States and to Britain and Germany and to the European Union. And but I I saw coming and I've tried to do my part to to prevent it now on the economics and fiscal impact. This is a vaccine the subject of written about it a lot. But the whole point the key concept is you have to count when you're doing economics and fiscal study. To both costs and benefits. You can't do. Single entry bookkeeping, obviously immigrants contribute in all kinds of ways to the health and size of the American economy, but they also have costs, and it is true. That imprint you can't link all your sources the way you would with an online article, but for the major economic points. I did give my source. So for example, the the best estimate most recent comprehensive estimate, we have of the total economic impact of immigration was presented the economic report of the president in two thousand seven or two thousand forget what it was the two thousand six or two thousand seven report, and they ran a big analysis, and they found that while immigration makes total Konami the United States larger, obviously, they're more human beings here that if you look at its net impact on Americans because mostly economic benefit of immigration is captured by the immigrants themselves, almost in fact, almost all of it added up in an economy that was then fourteen trillion dollars a year. It added about forty billion dollars a year. That's. Not nothing. But it is fractions of a penny immigration is makes the economy bigger. But it does not make Americans rich and the fiscal impacts are even more complicated as well. Immigrants do pay taxes. They also do you service? My guests are Jose. Antonio Vargas journalist who came out as an undocumented immigrant after winning a Pulitzer prize for his coverage Virginia Tech and also David from of the Atlantic more from both of these gentlemen here on one A. I'm Todd Swalec. Stay close. Support also comes from ADT, America's trusted home security provider, providing secure smart homes, custom designed with everything from video doorbells indoor and outdoor cameras smart locks and lights and professionally monitored carbon monoxide and smoke detectors. All controlled by the sound of your voice or on the go with the ADT go app. Learn more at ADT dot com. What's unique about the human experience? And what are we all have in common? I'm guy Roz every week on Ted radio hour, we go on a journey to the big ideas, motions discoveries that fill all of us with wonder find it on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts. It's one a on Todd's will lick my guests are David fromm senior editor at the Atlantic. And Jose Antonio Vargas journalist and founder of define American which promotes positive representation of immigrants in the media. I wanna move us to another critical issue. However, how to solve this problem in this problem for good or for ill. If it's ever solved is going to be solved by our politicians with hopefully, the urgings of an electorate, that's engaged. There is an election afoot already. If you can believe it and democratic candidates have been out on the trail talking about this issue. Donald Trump is talking about it as well. I played him at the top saying the country is full here is better Rourke. Here's Senator Kamala Harris of California and Julio on Castro, Texas and the militarization of our border. Not only costs nineteen and a half billion dollars a year. That's what you're paying right now. But it also costs us our conscience when we talk about the immigration. In debate. I think there is no question that there are powerful forces, including this president that are attempting to vilify immigrants because they were born in another country and suggest that they are there for any different in terms of their fundamental values or beliefs or priorities, and I think all of us as Americans should be insulted by that suggestion what I share what the president is that I believe in a border that is secure. I believe that our border is more secure than it's ever been. But whereas he wants you to choose cruelty. I want you to choose compassion. I want to hear from each of you on how you think the political system is responding to the issues that we're talking about here today. Jose Antonio go first. I would really implore people think only an Castro has been the first democratic candidate that it's actually put forth an immigration policy in some proposals. I've been reviewing it and listening some of his interviews. I I really challenge all the presidential candidates on the democratic side to do the same. I think President Trump is making himself very very clear assume where he stands on this policies. And I think for example, as I said, I'm in Texas right in the state of Texas. There's about what one point eight million documented Texans. I think it's more than that. If you count undocumented Asian, which does not become a part of the conversation documented African undocumented white immigrants in the state of Texas undocumented, people cannot drive right? Like, dude, they think undocumented immigrants in states across the country should be allowed to actually apply for driver's licenses to me, that's that. That's a key issue at a time in which there's no solution immigration reform is unlikely. Now, we heard from three democratic candidates vying for the democratic base to be fair, David fromm, you you have said. That the radicalization of Donald Trump, and the right has counter radicalized liberals is that what you're hearing what I'm hearing. I'm Julian Castro, for example, has got as I was saying tiny says as the most conference his views, basically, no one should be removed from the country. If they no matter how illegally present they are no matter how recently they crossed the border unless they've committed some other crime as well. And that is pushing Democrats a place where no democratic candidates have ever been where he'll Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders have all are horrified by where their party is ending up. And it's it's a reaction to Donald Trump. It's emotional you hear the tone of their voices. Here's what in my opinion. We should do. I mean, we need to think of this as a system I reduce the legal flow to numbers that free up the bureaucracy. So that it can cope my nomination is to go back to the pre nineteen ninety level of five hundred fifty thousand a year at the border. We need a crash program faster judicial hearings. So that people get the asylum claims are hurt. Fast and rejected fast because he Central American claims are an abuse of the asylum system, which is here to protect people from state sponsored persecution. We need to we need workplace enforcement demilitarize the border at Baidoa rock is right about that the border is a bad place to do enforcement that but meaningful enforcement at the workplace take away the incentives for employers to enforce legally, and we need in a question of making sure that people fly into the country almost half the legal immigrants now arrived by plane, not by foot make sure they leave. And then we need with the population of illegal immigrants to move the long-settled illegal immigrants, the majority of the eleven million people rapidly to citizenship and to enrollment in the social system to make Americans of them. Jose Antonio in a few minutes, we have left. I I'm not sure how much you and David fromm would would agree on the policy prescriptions that he just laid out decrease the flow to five hundred and fifty thousand faster hearings beef up judges workplace enforcement in favor of milk. Terrorizing the border maybe you degree on on some of those. But I played those clips from the democratic candidates, and I played Donald Trump, which everybody's heard for a reason, which is the question of whether this political environment this campaign, the polarized radicalization. And counter radicalization that that David Frum complains about is capable of actualising, his great conversation that we three and our listeners are having today is it. I think we're living at a time in which every community, right? Every community every county every town every state has to really decide at a moment. Like this. How they welcome people in what policies they support I'm privileged enough to come from California, right which has been billed as a sanctuary city. And that's not because California is some left liberal, whatever people call it, that's because in the state of California undocumented immigrants are completely integrated into people's lives their neighbors their classmates, they friends they go to the same church the open businesses, right people, actually know us, and I have to say in the few minutes, we have left in this conversation. When you first invited me to come to the show. I wasn't quite sure. Whether or not it should accept it. I'm glad I did in a privileged accepted. It tom. I should say by the way that since David talks about the you manager of immigrants and I salute salute him for that. You know, I am people like me are here illegally. Right. So that there's no question about that. I am here without authorization from the government, I can get detained and deported in. But I as a person am not illegal because people can't beat legal, right? And I hope that as David continues to talk about this. He's preferred to people as illegal immigrants several times in this conversation. I know the NPR's still does it the New York Times Washington posts of which I come from by the way language here is so important, right? Who defines the language defines the conversation and for far too long. I actually think people like David of all backgrounds have defined this conversation for so many immigrants. I I gotta tell you David when I was reading that article. And I I applaud you for saying that you wrote it without having wanting to blame anybody I feel like you blamed me, I feel like you blamed all those other immigrants, right? And you set instead of again questioning these regimes he's fascist regimes. You're putting all the onus on the immigrants. Those who don't have the power not only to define right? But to actually go up against all these facts, David. Oh, I think if you're going to take part in an enormously important public conversation, you have to be able to read things that you don't agree with without getting. Absolutely. And that's part of being an adult. And if you can't do that, and you can't participate in an adult conversation at all, you know, we have a lot at stake here. Not just the president. But the future one of the things people say and adventure movies is failures not an option, but in democracy failure is always an option. There is no guarantee that the American experiment is going to succeed to make a success of it. We need to have a strong economy. We need to have a strong fiscal system. But we have to need a strong sense of cohesion. And this this is one of the points. I make in the article I really want even people who are inclined to disagree with me to think about this without enforcement. There are no borders without borders. There are no nations without nations and somebody borders lines on the map. Of course. That's true. But inside those borders are electorates is without borders. There are no electorates and without electorates. There's no democracy. If we are democracy has grown up with the idea of of strong states with strong borders in the days when there were no boarders. We had we didn't have democratic systems. We just had. Principalities everywhere, you're gonna democracy you need borders. And what is we're putting it risk with the system, which it says people can come and go is when do people become voters who is not a voter to whom does the state have obligations. David fromm is a senior editor at the Atlantic. His article is titled if liberals won't enforce borders. Fascists swell. It was recently on the cover of the magazine. David thank you for being here in the seventy s I watch from K UT in Austin, Texas, Jose Antonio, Vargas, the founder of define American and author of dear America notes of an undocumented citizen as always Jose Antonio great to speak with you. And I'm glad you decided to join us. Thanks for having me. Today's show was produced by Avery Kleinman and edited by Miranda full more to learn more about them and the whole team visit the website at the one eight dot org slash staff. This program comes to you from WMU part of American University in Washington, it's distributed by NPR until we meet again, I'm Todd's like Joshua Johnson is back with you tomorrow for the Friday news roundup. In the meantime, thank you. Much for listening. This is one A.

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The day that donald trump finally became president happy happy last day laid their record how we delayed recording today so that we can watch his farewell address and we all agreed that he almost seemed sort of presidential but then snuck in all of his usual lies. I mean he i wouldn't. I'd say less seemed presidential and more. I was just kinda surprised that he made it eighteen minutes without an explicit threat which was like. Oh god for him. Give lee trying to incite violence right now. Although passively justifying all of the violence of several hundred years of american imperialism by talking about how bad it is that we stole this land so that yeah not great but for him. It is a step forward. I have been thinking all day today about a day after the election in two thousand sixteen. And you guys all know that binds not my guy. I'm not thrilled. Although we are going to talk about some of the stuff that he is going to hit the ground running that seems positive in many ways and all of that i just i do feel relief today. I feel relief that we have one more day till he is no longer. The president and and We survived it. These four years have gone by incredibly slow incredibly fast and shown. Just how much damage can be done. You know But also how much damage was already done. And i'm ready to get to work. That's how i feel. And i wanted to start with that kind of positive message to everybody. A love katie. We love positively. We love positively from you and positive from our beautiful president beautiful president origin which is the same thing. We're doing great. Yeah so. I think we. I don't know there's a few things to go into. I think some some of what is necessary. Is i guess talking about some of the stuff that is planned for from the biden administration for his first day in office and first hundred days in office. And i kind of wanted to start with something. That's just in the last couple of days started being passed around really heavily around the internet. Which is that biden is biden. And his people have talked several times about Vetoing the keystone excel pipeline And this is. It's it's very complicated. The actual story of what's going on so you'll generally see one of two things when people talk about this on line. One is either folks. Being like biden is has like confirmed that he's going to veto the keystone pipeline on day. One and and for a little bit of background. That was the pipeline. That passes through north and south dakota that standing rock was protesting. He goes up to alberta in canada. And it is supposed to transfer a shitload of a bitch which is like oil-rich sand and shit. That is a way to get a lot of extra oil out of the earth but also produces think something like thirty percent more emissions than the standard kind of just because of the cleaning a lot a lot more a lot is great the more emissions the better because who likes the winter right now the other downside to transporting oil this way through a pipeline is that pipelines one hundred percent of the time leak and spill tens of thousands of gallons of oil into waterways that people need in order to not die actually did have a spill. It sure did gallons. Yeah say when is that ever happened regularly. yeah it happens every single time with every single pipeline and. Yeah so that that's a big part of why like the the the indigenous folks at standing rock who were kind of the core of organizing and planning that were up in arms because like you know we need this water to not die of dehydration and you're going to pour poison into it and then the pipeline poured poison over there and we know because we know because we know it'll happen. We know one hundred percent happen. I mean the water sure. But then ecosystems wildlife all of it and in addition to the fact that one of the things defenders the pipelines appointed. Is that well. But it's better for the environment on the whole than the traditional way of just transporting like fuel through trucks and stuff because you do have less emissions with the pipeline it just pollutes the area around the pipeline as opposed to polluting the entire atmosphere. And i guess that's technically true but again like number one doesn't really make it okay to poison people's water number two what you're actually doing is allowing the process of killing the atmosphere with fossil fuels to continue even longer. You're saying look. It's the lesser of two evils. Will know the better solution would be all these other alternative energy. Yeah to be explored also. That's a better answer for the other justification for it which is jobs creations a lot of jobs and it's very funny gaining weight. Yeah it's very. It's funny that you bring that up inappropriate that you bring that up. 'cause obviously win. It became clear. That joe biden was gonna be the president of the p. canadians in alberta in particular and in the government now i should say started freaking the fuck out because this is a big economic thing for al berta in particular They have made a lot of like they're like they'd even threatened to sue the us government if biden. Does this thing that he said he's gonna do But they also they have also done their best to get in on the green energy and job creation train so like they've been basically sending back counter offers and sometimes people who are very more critical of biden online. You'll see them say like he's going to approve the pipeline. He's just going to approve the green version of the pipeline that alberto has pushed and what they have promised is will make sure that the pipeline is one hundred percent constructed and operated using renewable energy. So he'll be transporting it'll be transporting fossil fuel but will build the thing with with one hundred percent renewable energy so it's it'll be agree our toil tube and we're going to only use union labor so it's it's and that is the offer they've made and it's one of those things again. It kind of depends on how we don't know what's going to happen In what you think is going to kinda depends on how cynical you. Because i've heard two things in the articles i've read from the biden administration. One is that an article reporting on. How biden is going to veto a day. One one of someone from campaign responded and said well. That's based on an old Presentation that we put out and didn't really give any more context in that and another thing that's come out is like win Alberta kind of came back with this or when you know the company making came back with us. Green poison pipeline plan Someone from the biden campaign was like so nothing so far. Like there's no change to biden's promised to veto the pipeline. So i don't know what's going to happen. It doesn't seem like anybody does. It would not be the least. Joe biden thing in the world to approve a green fossil fuel pipeline that said that in fairness he is not even really. He has not commented on that I knowledge in so far. Seems poised to still veto the pipeline. So i'm gonna give before. I like land either way. I'm going to give the dude a chance to do the good thing in pipeline. I'll say that i get i. I also read somewhere in some article. That specific item might not happen tomorrow. it originally was part of the conversation like he's going to hit the ground running with these two things The other thing being immigration reform which we will also talk about bites. I think that if something was to get pushed tomorrow it might be that a for all the things that you're winning. Something he could do he would not need anyone else approval. Because the the obama administration canceled the approval for the pipeline and then trump reapproved it and shit so biden could unilaterally veto that like that is a thing. He doesn't need anyone's help to do. And if you just look at the other stuff. He's promised to do day one in his first hundred days. It's one of relatively few things that he can kind of do completely on his own Because he's going to be facing as you can imagine a pretty much complete blockading from the republicans on most other stuff as much as they can. Yeah also in a in july of twenty twenty. The supreme court also ruled against the pipeline getting a permit to continue. It should be a real easy win to get at least something to the left. Like but again he is. Joe biden well at the same time. It's like okay. I it seems it seems like well. You don't even necessarily need to to do this because the supreme court has already blocked so it's almost like well. What specifically did they block. Was it some like a way that it was being built you know or on. Yeah they didn't take into account a certain fish species yeah and So does this continue and that might be taken care of and it'll still be a problem. Yeah i just feel like that. Still leaves room for there to be some compromise some way of proceeding with the building. So right yeah and it didn't show as many as many people saying don't bill despite line is good. Yes but man not reenter g building. It that's so good. Yeah the it's very silly It would be good. If biden kills the pipelines the keystone. At least like. That would be a thing he would do that. I would say good. Good good on you joe and her. It would be good optics. We'll see what actually happens. I think we've laid out that like it's kind of impossible to know if that's what he will actually do Now in terms of other hundred day stuff Biden has announced a few things that he's gonna do right away some of which he can do probably will do on day one. He's promised to around a dozen executive actions on his first day in office including a mask mandate on federal property and for interstate travel extending a nationwide restriction on home evictions and foreclosures which. I'm sure we'll have a bunch of holes you know as all of the eviction moratorium have but it's better than a continuation of the pause on student loan payments And he's also going to push for passing the one point nine trillion dollar kobe. Nineteen relief legislation package. Which is you know not what people were promised are. Eat the two thousand dollars but also has a bunch of really good stuff in it. We'll see if it actually gets to pass but the thing that excites me most about that actually is removing the I don't know of loopholes. Even there. i would term it but making it illegal to pay Disabled people less It's good to not let them like. That's even in some ways. A bigger deal than the Raising the minimum wage to me is like cracking down on that legal disparity that has never made any sense and has always been used to exploit and abuse. It's just cruel it's just cruelty it's just unreasoning unthinking cruelty. And it would be good if that weren't around anymore. Yeah yeah yeah. Fully chip away at the cruelty would be nice. And what i have seen some some like Disability rights activists pointing out. Is that another thing that needs to. Change is at least either removing or raising the cap on how many assets someone can have to receive disability because right now it's very low and it can actually the that can stop people who are disabled from for example saving up enough money to buy a much better wheelchair that improves their quality of life. They have the are. Yeah if you are receiving disability which basically pays you barely enough to survive right. That's the idea. If you can't work the government will pay you barely enough to survive but if you are able to. I don't know you're working some sort of side gaiger. Whatever accrue enough money to have over. I think it's like two thousand dollars or something in like liquid assets a very low number. You lose your disability If people try to like save up for a high quality wheelchair or something that will massively improved their quality of life and isn't covered by medicare or whatever they're on they can lose their disability. Because if you have a couple of grand clearly you're not disabled anymore Yeah it's it's horror in its. I am not at all anything close to an expert on this. I've just trying kind of been trying to keep track on what people who are advocates in this community are are saying but like yeah. It's a horrible problem. It seems like it seems like something that needs to be changed immediately. I don't know that it will cause that. That part is not does not seem to be on the docket but it seems like reducing or ending the disparity between minimum wage would be maybe a step towards addressing that injustice as. Well thank you for that explanation. Yeah other shit that biden's planning to do right away as rejoin the paris climate agreement. Which i do think he can do kind of you. Which is again not enough. Our minimum but better. Yeah but good gesture to do out of the gate. It's want say Virtue signaling but it is a signal that were not. Yeah we're reversing course. At least i don't know you know. You gotta gotta take what you can get very expected move on a holy unsurprising need to back it up with actual yet for example building pipeline with crude energy. Yes and it's those things actually do happen day. One you know rejoining the paris. Climate agreement blocking the pipeline. That's a sign that like meaningful meaningful movement on climate change yearly for show which would be good because the death of all life on earth thing. Well yeah yeah. Maybe for show enough. Yeah so we'll see what's not for show or am. I mean it might be for show for them but with is not justice showy. Well actually do something. Yeah is ending the Trump's muslim ban on travel restrictions from syria iran iraq sudan libya somalia and yemen retrea and geria- myanmar kirghistan and tanzania. That would immediately help a lot of people in their families and robert. I heard that it wasn't a ban or a muslim ban. I heard it was Something else some other way to say it finally figured out what was going on good no longer after shutdown. We no longer have a racist immigration ban. Good good and that. Is you know when i talk about trying to be actually fair like none of us are fans of joe biden or the democratic party and enter in fact pretty consistently and explicitly critical of them. That's an unequivocal good. Yeah so i'm on board yeah. I'm glad that that will happen. Positive we vote for them in the hopes that they do these things that we can all agree on and that we can also pull them further left. Let you than the alternative is immigration stuff. Yeah it's it's helpful. I think in these especially these coming days and weeks to sort of check out like a never trumper. A reaction to what biden does because like for example With his immigration plan. David fromm accident david axis of evil from very america's greatest. Mind the greatest mind. We're a true. Wordsmith is resistant to biden's immigration plans. Because it's the only options after this are overwhelming mass immigration constantly or mass detentions for immigrants. And it's like well. If david frum is thinking that then maybe it's actually good If that's what he thinks The solution is and his reaction to the angrier. Joe biden makes david fromm the more pleased. I will be with the by. Yeah exactly legacy. Lincoln project goule be like. Oh biden's to this is too much. Would okay good good. Yeah i do take a quick break and then when we come back gig dig into the immigration stuff. Like plan beautiful. Yeah yeah you know who else pisses off david fromm. These don't say raytheon. Because i don't think that's true. No not raytheon but our other sponsors do because one of our vetting hs for sponsors is that they have at least one employee who has done an upper decker in david fromm bathroom. We require photographic evidence of that. Yeah it's definitely. I mean the mypillow guy does upper deckers literally every bathroom he Anyway listen to these products represented by companies. That have people who have shot in the top of david firms. Toilet switchboard operator or seltzer man or professional royal mistress full-time eat jobs your jam. We've got a podcast for you. I'm helen hong. And i met beat and we host the new podcast jobs elite. Taking a look at jobs that used to be a thing and now not so much iheartradio's number one for podcasts. But don't take our word for it. Find jobs elite on the iheartradio app. or wherever. You get your podcasts. It's the biggest night of the year for podcast fan. Our twenty twenty one. I heart radio. podcast awards. 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Yeah highly erotic after dark So so he's going to build a wall he's gonna make canada pay for this one. Finally and this is where. I am one hundred percent backing joe because we need to stop the canadian minutes from coming down to our Don't gel in his own. My god there's one in the room His his immigration bill is pretty good. You know it's pretty big. It's a huge improvement. It's great one of the things that i like about it. Is it similar in a lot of ways to an immigration. Bill that was push but not passed during obama's second term. One of the big differences is that that bill in order to try to please the republicans who are unpoliceable included. A bunch of extra money for border defenses walsh it and this does not now obviously if it is ever going to get past. I'm sure they'll add a bunch of bullshit order patrol. But they're not starting there. Which is nice more hardball than i expected like. What cody you always talk about. You know you don't you. Don't start with a compromise. You start with what you want exactly what you want. Maybe even a little more more. His bill provides An eight year path to citizenship. For around i think it was eleven million people currently without legal status and even a shorter path. I guess for dreamers which is great Let's see this is from the ap under the legislation. Those living in the us as of january first twenty twenty one without legal status would have a five year passage temporary legal status or green card if they pass background checks pay taxes and fulfil other basic requirements from there. It's a three year paths naturalization. And yeah i i'm immigrants. The process could be quicker. The so-called dreamers the young people who arrived in the us illegally as children as well as agricultural workers and people under temporary protective status could qualify more immediately for green cards. It's great. I think that's great. It's so unbelievable. David fromm read. This is like this is going to lead to mass detentions of immigrants caravans. He didn't take care of to be here. I give it at most six months before. We have another big caravan scare on the right. It's usually coming only also provides grants for workforce development and english language learning. Yeah that's cool. I love it's there's a lot that's good in here like i think everyone knows i'm Borders shouldn't exist and nation states. Shouldn't either guy but that's not on the docket right now and it seems like it makes life shitty for a lot of people who currently have to deal with more bullshit than i can imagine. So i'm i'm down with it. Yeah i i wish i had someone here that we could call a right now to talk about this because i think this probably means a lot to a lot of people very privileged white. All of us sitting here talking about this. I'm very aware of it. But this this has been a hammer over the head of your goal for four years And so many stories of people do can't even confide in their friends that you're that they're undocumented And living double lives in a way. And i i if if you are one of them right now I hope you're feeling a little sense of hope. Yeah i mean. I can say a as i brought up a couple of times i spent most of the last year and changed living with a A chinese national who is Has a green card And had to deal with a massive surge in the amount of bullshit and like like a number of different scares where she thought she was going to be forced out of the country despite doing everything the legal way obviously as she herself acknowledged. She's in the in the higher like the more privileged class of people who are trying to immigrate by the book but prior to the election. Her thing was like. I'm not going to be able to stay here if trump wins a second term And you know. That's i if things were that hard for her as again someone who had a stable job who owns a house who had gone through everything the legal way who didn't have that option because for example that area they lived in guatemala was rendered damn near uninhabitable by climate change and there was no way for them to get a job and so they had to come somewhere where they could get food for their family it. I imagine it's it seems like everything in here will make them deal with at least less bullshit right i. I don't know what else you can really hope. For after the last four years that some very marginalized and abused. people will have less shit to deal with. i mean Yes just less shit. I mean also reunifying families. The border is a lot of stuff of that. Biden's instincts seems to be to reverse trump reverse trump and a lot of that is going to mean a kind of a reverse biden to like he's reflexively Like reversing trump stuff and reacting to that. And you know. A lot of trump stuff is kind of an extension of all presidencies. Yeah And so i think that's Generally good sign too And it's going to be a fascinating to see how the conversation changes on the right from Well we were fine with with immigrants as long as they come here. Legally in this plan gives that option. So but they're gonna hate that. They got to change how they talk about it. Like yeah okay sure. That's legal but it shouldn't be legal. Yeah and it's the kind of thing where there will be positives and negatives of that because the positive is that they will have to be more open with their racism. The negative is that they will be more open with their racism So you know. Nothing's ever as clear a positive as we want. But i think the like what this means is that will actually have someone in the white house who is going to do the bare minimum to fight for things to be somewhat less shitty for a group of people who have dealt with too much shit in their lives already and that's a good thing and it makes it easier for everyone else to fight for them too because the administration is not actively trying to murder these people just passively. Sometimes at least people yeah. Yeah we'll see. We'll see how by this foreign policy shake out for sure well and obviously like the threat of you know more Functional coups than were enacted during the trump administration is a thing to be worried about when we talk about refugees coming to the. Us you know what happens with biden in venezuela what happens with biden and olivia bolivia. Yeah what happens with biden. And i know a bunch of places that all over the world really what happens with biden in iran right like but even biden like they're itching for a lot more china conflict a lot more. Russia looked as soon as soon is trump's gone. It's going to be like well now. We can take on putin and then well. What does that mean. Yeah yes the kind of thing like right. Now you've got some people. In the biden administration calling what china's doing the warriors Which is the muslim population that they've massively. They put a huge numbers of people concentration camps calling it a genocide which i don't think is necessarily unfair but i'm worried it's it's going to press is some of the same biden style international sanctioning that we've seen in the past which isn't an effective way to push political change generally and often i mean almost always just hurts poor people in the countries that we sanctioned now china's more resistant to sanctions than anywhere else. We could sanction because they're china It's not like sanctioning iraq But it still. I think there's pretty good chance. I'm going to assume in less proven otherwise that any actions we take there are mainly just gonna hurt poor people who have nothing to do with the government's policies on the weekends because that's a pretty safe thing to assume that sort of saying how it goes doesn't it. Yeah it's always like one hundred percent of the time yeah and are already senators. Democratic senators talking about a using sanctions more aggressively. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah normal. Back to back to basis back-to-basics america's back we're we're back and we're going to build back better bill. Bet it better back. we're going to be. It'll be best building status before i said it. I'm sorry to contribute something refugees. Shit at which. I shouldn't call it the refugee ship but the positive changes likely the we're currently at like a historic low of the number of refugees. Wes will admit which like fifteen thousand this year under trump which is about as tightly as he could lock it down and i don't know how many are going to be let in under biden but it seems like their math six significantly loosening things they're opening up processing centers and other countries to allow people who are at risk in countries outside of the united states to go to processing centers in order to refugee visas and come in legally That's good right. that's what we like. We like helping helping. Yeah i'm a big fan of again things not being a shitty for refugees. Because i've known a lot of them and it sucks to be a refugee Is a pushy like okay. We'll help the refugees and next we'll be like when we won't help create refugees. Yeah yeah that's too much to hope for for biden shershukov back to the conversation of two minutes ago. Yeah i these are positives There are there are a number of positives. You know You know got you know. We've got getting congress is using this to do all of these things and make sure they happen and do even more good things and us congress to do things to to show that things can happen. That are good. And then maybe you get more seats in two thousand and thousand twenty two twenty twenty. Do i still think unlikely. But but we'll see we'll see we will see you will. Won't we two more years Yeah two more years. Yeah now i mean you know. There's a couple of number one in terms of when we talk about what actually is gonna happen day one we. We should note that because we've been chatting about what's biden's promised do on day one. When trump came into office he promised on day one that he was going to repeal and replace obamacare and begins. Drafting a wall on the border of mexico. In neither of those things happened on day. One anti katie's tweet. He did not. he didn't like her. Yeah i think that's really important to keep him i. We sort of have a majority. It's trading of independence in man's dem's and band shit reminder to keep expectations you know. There's this well. I guess anybody listening to this show. Probably doesn't have the highest of expectations medically impossible for my expectation below. Yeah see it so much on social media now people being excited i always feel like the buzzkill. It's like well guys take no tone be excited about anything in politics ever. Don't you ever ever no matter who know whatever good happens and i do think. A number of things that are positive wouldn't have happened. Under trump will happen and things will be easier for a lot of marginalized people then they would have been with another four years of trump. That said everything. Good that happens. We'll be less good than it sounded before on paper before it actually got rammed through you know the government and yeah we it will. It'll be four years of compromises in frustration. More than anything else if you're somebody who actually cares about the reality of what's happening as opposed to the first article that gets dropped about when they plan to do before they actually can success succeed and slamming it through congress. Yeah always remember the the government's bad. It's bad it's bad system expanded. It's not on your side. They're not on your side. Most of them don't care about you and the ones that do care about. You are more often incompetent than they are able to capably exactly effective. Yeah the good ones are very bad. Yeah and the bad ones are very good at being bad. No that's why our systems perfect with good. I'd good intentions. But then there's that doesn't stick around the world and then there's then there's the actual fascists yeah back these weird evil dorks cod. We just evil that's that's a i think a possible positive about Did weeps Trump had decades and decades of Publicity and quote unquote charm. he's entertainer. He's good at getting attention doing these things and building up his brand. He's entertaining to watch. he's You know all the things we know about him holly cruise or two of the people who are really clearly trying to like harness the populism the wing populism and holly's boring deeb. I i still don't know what he sounds like. And ted cruz has been for a couple of years really trying to do like the trump twitter thing like i'm i'm the culture war here on twitter and i'm owning the libs. He's really bad at it and nobody likes him. Even the people who have to pretend it's not gonna work for them you know what is being the least huckabee'll man in america was gonna say jerk on nine eleven but yeah i mean it's one of those like i don't think because i think everyone who has been paying attention is looking for the next authoritarian. Who tries to take power in this country. You know the guy who If we're unlucky will be smarter and better at inspiring personal loyalty than donald trump. Who was bad at that for a record too. Good but still not great at it and i don't think hawley or crews are gates. Is someone matt gaetz. Someone who worries me. But i don't think it's him either. I don't think we've seen that person yet. It not in a way that it's obvious who had Do onto yeah. I don't think crenshaw's got the actual charisma nor nor do we think he's evil enough. I think he's shrewd he's shrewd. He's been able to sort. He's not an idiot. Yeah yeah Been able sort of weirdly navigate The past couple of years to not come out like a holly or crews talker. I dunno if he's interested in that argument against tucker that tucker worries me too but he at the beginning of donald trump's political career. There is at least some portion of people on the left who did not view him as as or left maybe greenwald loves view him but after especially after these four years. No you are either in you either. Love tucker carlson. You've really really hate him. I don't know that they're swinging of people in the middle. You know what i mean. Maybe i ll as the next. here's now. He approached it because he has like. He is effect quote unquote effective and aware of the necessity to co opt left wing sort of populist rhetoric and concepts and package them in a xenophobic right-wing context and try to sell that to people. And i've i've seen people sort of react to that positively in certain occasions like wow. I can't believe. I agree with tucker carlson that kind of stuff and i think it's just important to keep reminding people that he is a liar. He's full of shit. He's doing it on purpose We i also don't know if he's necessarily even interested in that although he A report from lake earlier today that he met with george w bush In gasparilla island florida. So oh god. I do think that i do. I do worry about it. I worry about the next one. And what kind of like. If the if the republican party wants to win the next presidential election who are they gonna rally behind Every single time you see they need all these people that trump that support yes so they can't allow split to me if they're going to have power again so when what do you do you have to embrace them or not. You know you look at polls who do you to run for president republicans and it's just like trump trump junior it's vonda crews holly really really really download on that list We've got to take a quick break but this is an interesting place to pick up. Because i want to talk about And i wanna talk about. What kind of. Come josh hawley has. Yeah that's a really important thing to really get as as a spoiler. I'm just going to say one word. Spoiler really atrocious side part hairstyle when you yeah i mean that all factors into my one word spoiler which is spiders all right. Hey at it's just hilarious. And i'm just making sure y'all know that i got a book. 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Listen to the black information network daily on the iheartradio app. Your podcast torn wherever you get your podcast owned and we're back as promised from those ads. Oh i love keeping promises. Promises kept we did keep the promise of twenty twenty being the worst year ever so far so far. We're gonna make twenty twenty one worse. I've got my fingers crossed. Cows often rates I only promise the truth. I robert has more stuff to dig into but real quick. I just wanted to pick up where we left off on that conversation. Because it's it's interesting as a as of today mitch. Mcconnell is saying that donald trump did and congre members of congress did Urge people to riot basically. I don't know he has come in and he has signaled that he would vote guilty In in proceedings in this is an attempt to distance themselves from donald trump and. I just think that that's a really interesting given the reality of the situation for them in their party. You know mitch. Mcconnell has clearly always donald trump and didn't want to deal with the bullshit that he's had to deal with because donald because mitch. Mcconnell is a very very simple and by the books kind of authoritarian who wants to do his destroying people's lives quietly in a room with pens and paper and donald trump likes to shout it in mcconnell thinks that's gauche and so i think he's he sees now that it he's taking he is taking a bit of a gamble which is more than i. 'cause he's not a huge gambler mitch Because he is gambling that it's the right thing to do for the future of his ability to wield power in the republican party's ability to wield power to push against trump and the key. I guess we could call the cunanan right. You know within the republican party He's it seems like this him saying that like we have to actually push back against these people because they're damaging to our ability to hold power which he might be right on He might be wrong on. I don i don't know yet but it is interesting that he made that calculation. Like up to this point to like you know it's been able to do it for four years yum collaborate and you allow and then when it's time to go like oh wait too far he also made it very clear. Well it's pretty. Even in the senate we have a very clear mandate that we need to compromise. I just wanted to throw this out. Also i just keep thinking about again. Today he call. Donald trump called the china virus. Mitch mcconnell fucking. He's his wife is taiwanese. Which is not chinese from you know but still the racist racist rhetoric surrounding this president And him and just all these four years just swallowing it you know. Yeah yeah that's you know that's what is you like again. You get what you want. Yeah he's swallowed it so that he could spit out pens guts. The judges some hard hitting point. But i just keep every. I've just been thinking about that. Yeah and it's a lot of people you know. Ted cruz went to bat for years for the guy who accused his dad of murdering the president had called his wife buckley. He's ruined his career there. Spineless like nobody has ever liked ted cruz and i include his wife and children. Yeah the before. Yeah the most unlikable. everyone hates him. Who wasn't everyone on. Greece works with him. Spice it even the people that vote for him hayden. I forget who it was but it was a republican congress. You said like. I like ted cruz more than all of by colleagues and i fucking hate ted cruz in his former roommate. Who has been in college has been like a ceaseless critic of crews My other favorite crews go was like the fact that he believes imporant. Things is bad. Sure but if ted cruz believed every single thing that i believed i would only hate him one percent less. That's how odious he is just as in his personality. That's lindsey. Graham said kill ted cruz on the floor of the senate and the trial was in the senate and nobody would this amazing much. Everyone hates him if his wife was the president and he was murdered on the senate. I think she would vote to pardon. The killers had to look. That would be a bipartisan. Pardon i wouldn't play. We can all come together on. Let's start healing healing by slamming. Ted cruz jesus. What a trash person beautiful man. There's some other in terms of other good stuff. That joe biden. The joe abides is gonna. You're gonna throw in. He's promised to repeal or its promise to fight because he can't do. It obviously would be an act of congress to repeal the seventeen tax cuts which Unfairly favors the wealthy and it would be good if that could be reversed and we could take more money from the very wealthy And put it in in two projects that helped the vary not wealthy. Although this being america most of that money will be funded back into the police or the military. So you know pirate victory but still i. Broadly support it in terms of the he's also promised to Alter or push to alter the violence against women act to offer more protections for transgender women in particular which is great He's wants to push to pass the equality actor to add more protections for lgbt people in general he's made a number of statements specifically about trans rights including repealing the trans military ban enacted by trump Which you know depending on a field that the military's mixed bag but he's also Agreed to Restore obama era guidelines for transgender students in schools which will protect students access to sports bathrooms and locker rooms You know to use those in accordance with their gender identity which is a very good Again something that will make life a bit less shitty for very marginalized people and also has chosen. Rachel levine trans woman. Dr rachel levine to serve as assistant secretary for health at the us department of health and human services which is a really great. It's the first first known trans person. Yeah it's nice to be able to pair that with actual policy. Yeah it's not It's not like the lip service representation One might see. Sometimes it's like no. We're doing this and we're also like actually actively doing things that will help every day people. Yeah it's it's. It's really good that things are the those are things that are positive. You know i i just i i don't even i don't have any notes on that. Assuming he actually he he actually goes through just like it's good that We have our first indigenous secretary of the interior. Who will hopefully understand some of the issues faced by those people and some of the traditional biases that our system has against their sovereignty And things may be moving in a positive direction as well fingers crossed. We'll see I wanna talk about guns. A little bit Because biden has one of the things. I am happy about. I i was worried. And we've talked about this a bit that we were going to see the dims. 'cause biden had talked about this a few times making a major initial push for gun control and throwing in some like attempt to make a An assault weapons ban In his first hundred days which i think would be a bad move regardless of your opinion on the salt weapons Banning them is not nearly cook. Cannot possibly if you're a reasonable per person be argued to be in the same level of urgency as action on climate change or as action on covid nineteen relief or as i think action on immigration to be honest and it. It seems broadly speaking like he's not going to be focusing on throwing anything huge through congress on guns before he makes that stuff happen which is good because you have a limited amount of political capital in your hundred days in a limited number of things that you can do In terms of what he has talked about doing his first hundred days. One of them is Reducing what a lot of people on the lib liberals will loopholes in the gun. Background check system. There are some loopholes There was a shooter in aurora a year or two ago who li like wasn't allowed to own a gun and the cops just sent him a letter asking him to turn it in and then he went on a shooting spree and killed like five people. them them yet. They sent a letter being like. Hey you bought a gun in you're a felon or i think you have a history of domestic beach. You're not allowed to have the gun that we know you bought that we let you buy because we didn't notice it in time. Please give it back to open their mail. Let alone mail. I know so like that sort of stuff absolutely like there there and there have been a number of other cases of shooters of people who've had have had access to firearms. Who by the letter of the law shouldn't have because the system of record is really fucked up very supportive of fixing that. I will state that sometimes people talk about loopholes. They talk about the gun. Show loophole which is not a thing. certain states allow what are called Personal sales to happen. So if you're not a gun dealer if you sell less than things like five thousand dollars worth of guns a year you can make personal transfers without a background check and the laws are at least initially. Were supposed to be in place so that people could give guns to their kids or family members or or whatever as gifts without having to deal with the complex legal process They have been massively in a lot of cases used by people in order to facilitate criminal transfer of firearms or transfer of firearms to cartels So like again. I think that is something that should be looked at. But but it's not a loophole. It's explicitly the law in a number of states like texas allows you to transfer guns that way And i don't know like it's the kind of thing if there were to be a national law to ban that no one really knows how the supreme court would land on it I i push against calling it a loophole. But i'm not against changing those laws. So that everyone has to pass a background check to buy a gun for sure One thing. I am less certain about in in in fact. Pretty critical of is Biden wanting to repeal liability protection for gun manufacturers which would allow americans to sue the firearms industry if gun is used in a crime Which seems odd to me. Because you can't sue the people making alcohol their cars. If you know. There's a drunk driving incident. i think. I think there's some room to talk about win. Companies have specifically been pushing. Adds that because there have been gun companies that have pushed ads. That are on the edge of urging violence or on the and. I do think there's that absolutely is a conversation that should be had and there's some room to talk about what kind of advertising you're allowed. Interest banning same advertising yeah like joe camel slippery slope otherwise and there are and when we talk about tobacco versus the gun industry. There are some similarities. That should be discussed Them being that the gun industry has consistently lobbied to make it harder and in some cases impossible to study the problems of of gun violence and study how certain laws might affect in reduce gun violence And that there is. There is very fair reason to be critical into say that something not wildly similar to what was done to the tobacco industry. There should be some changes made to to how the gun industry is allowed to operate because they have done a lot of really shady shit The thing that most comes to mind. And i'm saying a lot shady shit not just in terms of like inciting violence but shady shit that has specifically harmed gun gun users. I can think about the company tourists one of the reasons. I always advise people against buying a tourist. Firearm is that for years. Taurus made put something like a million guns onto the us market. That had safeties. That didn't work. And in a lot of cases people's guns would fire without them while the safeties were engaged in people died because their weapons fired when they should not have and they never had to issue a recall because of a law is that the gun industry has lobbied for. And so i'm not saying there needs to be significant change. I don't think allowing people to sue the a gun company because you know they get the a loved one. Get shot with a smith smith and wesson is necessarily the right call. Absolutely changes need to be made. Seems like a good time to just that. The nra did file for bankruptcy a few days. Yeah it does seem like Yeah yeah yeah. No i mean it seems like a general like you know. Sometimes it's just like yeah. We'll file for bankruptcy like that's a good business decision for us and then they'll be fine. Yeah but we will see. I'm just out there talking talking about the you know gun industry and and you know have been doing going. I can't think of many organizations that have done more harm to the cause of Gun rights than the ra to be honest The worst idea they ever had was turning ownership of firearms which is protected as you're right to free speech into a culture war issue between left and right. Have you done the nra not yet. There's a very good. There's a whole season of the wonderful podcast gangster capitalism. The that does. It gives a very very fair in talks to a lot of reforms within the nra and people who have left because of their frustrations in enraged at the the rampant it's unbelievable corruption within that organization In addition to just like the way in which they have incited the culture war And i recommend listening to that season of gangster capitalism. If you want to really understand just how how comprehensively bad of an organization. The nra has become and they didn't always used to be. They used to just be like we think americans should know how to shoot accurately and safely. And that's all we're about changed in the sixties with rights movement right. Not just that you know we talk about in our partner on the border patrol and we talked about how the first head of the border patrol that militarize the border patrol was a dude who murdered A a a mexican immigrant when he was like a teenager and did several years in prison and then joined and became the head of the border patrol and militarized it. He was also the first head of the nra that started pushing it towards being an engine of the culture war because he was a fascist episode. Yeah for more check out the song. Raymond cassiano by the drive by truckers gives a pretty good overview of some things. But yeah i don't know. I think that I i'm i'm interested in what biden's actually gonna do on guns because it just based on the way congress is now at least for the next two years unless they get a supermajority in twenty twenty two. I think it's unlikely that they're going to get the kind of assault weapons ban that he talked about on the campaign trail. He has a lot of power to use things. Like to change the way the atf. goes after gun violations and like there are certain things like pistol like like like like the gun that i have right here which is legally a pistol and that's a handgun legally because this thing on the back is not a stock. It's a brace and the could just choose to make this illegal without being registered as short barreled rifle. And i'm not necessarily. I don't think there's actually see no reason for short barrel rifles to be regulated more than long ones. They're not any more dangerous from a perspective. Violent crime It's really just a hold over from the gangster era but that is the kind of thing that biden could change in order the to start altering the way that they crackdown on without needing any sort of congressional approval. So i i see when i think about gun action under biden. I think more that at least initially is going to take the form of the stuff he doesn't need to get through congress or stuff like fixing background. Check problems that you could get think passed through congress because everyone wants that. Most even most gun owners want that. Yeah i probably a good strategic way to approach this. If that's yeah it turns out that he he does. Yeah there's also. I feel like even like bad. Beto kind of scared. Damas in general about guns like his utter failure. Yeah you shouldn't shouldn't go. Hard against guns in texas because every liberal and leftist in texas i was strapped as hell and You know Fewer mass shootings during a pandemic. So i don't know yeah. Yeah you're right and and a lot more millions of new gun owners which the the There was just a gallup poll out that showed that support for significant gun control measures like an assault weapons ban is actually the lowest. It's been since two thousand sixteen and even five percent lower among its Because a lot of people in this last year suddenly thought for the first time about. Oh maybe i need a gun Yeah and that is included. People in places like california where like. Oh actually. it's harder than i thought to buy one legal Yeah yeah a lot of people getting mad then it takes so long so that's good. It's good right. Yeah we are the same page about. No i mean i like maybe maybe we should think about the fact that it is frustrating. That all of these heavily armed fascists in quasi fascists neo-fascists have arsenals and. It's very difficult for everyone else to catch up now that they realize the danger is here and perhaps that is something that should be thought about when we think about changing gun control. Yeah anyway anyway. That's all i want to say about guns. We should move on today today. Well it's about time for us to wrap show up today. When this drops will be the inauguration we are hoping it goes smoothly I just read earlier today. We read that to national guards Soldiers assigned to washington. Dc for the inauguration had been removed over inappropriate posts and texts about the event And i guess now. I'm just seeing a line that the ap's reported that Twelve troops now. I've been removed or flagged by way the tip line was sure. Sure that's all of them. You got them on the twenty five thousand. Yeah so the only one zero area. Yeah if hawgood tomorrow or today when you're listening hopefully all of it has gone well if not. We'll probably be recording an emergency episode. Perhaps but i'm not even you know what i rescind what i just said. I'm not even putting that out there. Yeah it's a positive episode. Today was there was a positive episode. And i'm positive that we will never have a problem with white nationalism in the military or in the ranks of our police again the only twenty eight cops in i don't know several dozen service people With those leanings were all at the capitol and they're all going to go to jail and there's no one else left in the country in those positions who hold those beliefs. I comment mission accomplished. Give me a banner in an aircraft carrier. Put me on the gerald ford. The aircraft carrier on the the the funny we. We're going quick you know. This is unrelated to Joseph r biden junior rb or donald. John trump tesla is looking for a new position Going to read the whole thing. Real tesla energy support specialist handle a variety of customer issues while delivering on world. Class customer service. The role of a specialist is to resolve or escalate complaints through appropriate channels and address. Social media escalations directed at the c. With critical thinking. i'm. He's hiring someone to deal with. His trolls on twitter people posting Just do it. I i just altered my notifications. I only get notifications when people. I follow respond to me and my life is fifteen percent absolutely. It's the only yes basically site which nobody should be on. I know when my friends don't like my tweet though. I really stand now. But he lawn can't do that. There was a great tweet with someone posting about like in the mid. Two thousand. tumbler Whenever like mean had reached a certain level of penetration denny's would repurpose it and then we would know that the man was dead and we all hated denny's but they played a critical role in our in our meco system and now on twitter. The same role is performed by the wealthiest man in human history. You have the new denny's new Man there's one last beautiful thing that i just found on the website. None of us should use while. It's actually just cuts from cnn politics article but several republican lawmakers who are alleged to have been involved in the rally that preceded the deadly riot on the us capitol had sought clemency from trump before he leaves office but after his legal advisors for several hours on saturday the president decided he would not grant them according to lance. Yeah we're waiting for the part in list. Today age there will be fingers crossed. Joe exotic is on their joe exotic. When i was looking yeah earlier seems good. I would like him to get one more shot at carole baskin's republican lawmakers. Who asked so would i. It seems like he's not gonna be pardoning himself because he was told that after the riot it would make him look guilty. So we'll see. Yeah the guilty really self in the foot. There didn't he he. He's clearly only doing it because it might lead to him. Getting charged yup inciting an insurrection. Which is the funniest like. He's so on brand with all this shit with just like he ends office not just with hundreds of thousands dead and with the national economy and civil society tatters but also the people who believed in him. The most and we're most willing to go to bat with him are now all staring at decades in federal prison and he's just abandoning them so funny perfect very end living art. It's amazing yeah all right guys. I think that's it for us today. Check out our pod. Yes she just she. Yes that's thank you soviet couldn't agree with you more. Follow us on worst atmosphere. That's that's what this is and that's who we are. It's hard to say. Worst your pod or share park. It's very great worst dish pie for sure i would. Let's do a whole pod dedicated to war chester. Shire sauce mainly dedicated to figuring out how we're supposed to say it and what the fuck you're supposed to put it on. We're our show sophie. Let's get a pitch out. Let's get a pitch out to corporate. This is all we're doing. 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La Burgondie Brut Ros

The CheapWineFinder Podcast

06:20 min | 8 months ago

La Burgondie Brut Ros

"Mm-hmm. David Fromm. Cheap. Line. FINDER DOT COM. Coming at you with another wine review, we put on the cheap one finder dot website. And today it's a trader Joe's wine which to a lot of. It's the love burgundies. TREMONT DEBRAH goal. OC. Brute rose, Zach. Nine, hundred, nine. Import Bubbly. That's actually really really good. And It's a criminal chroma. is a sparkling wine from France. Isn't. From. Champagne. Champagne can be a grandma just means sparkling wine basically. But there brandon Sir you don't think of them as chromite you think of them as champagne. So everything else is a criminal and this is from Burgundy. And if you're not really up on. That part of the country. or The world I guess. The bottom part of Burgundy's this is of in northern eastern France. Is bourgeois. And the northern part is champagne and middle is the Burgundy region. and. It's home of some of the best new iron. Chardonnay in the world I mean it just that's that's ground zero for Pinot Noir Chardonnay. And they make. Like champagne does just a little bit to the north. They make bubbly to and a half may bubbly for a long long time. And this love ninety nine bubbly is made by. A group of farmers and four hundred, fifty different farmers in the region off with their grapes together and they make three and a half million bottles year. If, you want the name, it's on the. Website www cheap wine fighter dot com. It's French. Damn. I can't remember American names remember French names. But they're legit. You don't know who these who makes the winds were trader Joe's. But they're actually good in it at love. Ninety nine. This is good. Trader Joe's is a lot of buying power ninety nine. It is typically a lot less than what A. parable wine and a retail shop with being. One of the reasons is that all the in Europe are trader Joe's in. Europe is all ignored there's all ignored all these stuff. The all the United States is all these south and. Trader Joe's Aldi north, but they have a worldwide reach it almost wine shops are in a city or maybe a stay. Supermarkets can go. A long way they can be many states but they don't normally. Push. Their own brand of line. They don't really have that going for the most part like trader. Joe's does with are known for their wines and they're known for their value price twice. So this eleven ninety, nine criminal from Burgundy. And it's made in the same way. Champagne is. Made. With Pinot noir grapes. Champagne either either and or. Chardonnay. Pinot Noir Pinot Monet. Grapes are. Similar If anything the Pinot Noir. Grapes. In. Burgundy are better regarded than the ones up north. So. This love and ninety nine grandma. Mike be seriously underpriced. Mean when people pay big money for French. Champagne. Do you know? Everybody. Else's you know trying to get with. What's leftover because if you're going to spend thirty Bucks Forty Bucks Fifty Bucks One, hundred, twenty bucks you're buying champagne. If you only have ten twenty, you might look at a criminal. So that's what you know. But that doesn't mean it's the quality is not there. It's not equally good if not exactly the same because it doesn't exactly the same. But this is good Melissa delicate, it's balanced. It's got. Very controlled flavors. This is a one everything is where it's hopes to be. You know it's Often cheap bubbles are fun and delicious. Raw Love the place and they're. The last drink this one is kind of sophisticated and refined to I'm thinking because I got a glass of bubbles man. And it's. It's kind of like a stealth one label the have. Just, brute one just to white wine that's like nine, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, ninety, nine. This one is three or four bucks more expensive in that one. I. Long time ago. Put that in the website. Is there if you want to search for? This one is kind of ups this kind of scale this one. This one. This is a bargain steel most trader Joe's winds are bargains. Surprise good. They are in the audience gone up. In years. But this one really Kinda this lab be. Group Rosette Guest the job. That's excellent. Wine it's it's control delegate. Taste has got good acidity. The drink some open. Let's up for me. keep it streep. Until next time we got other things happening. We'll. We'll keep it going on as the winter approaches mind the fall in. So keep a cheap audio doctor later.

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Stick Figure Red Blend 2016

The CheapWineFinder Podcast

08:14 min | 1 year ago

Stick Figure Red Blend 2016

"DAVID FROMM CHEAP WINE FINDER DOT COM for another companion podcast for wine. We did a review the cheap wine finder dot com website today. And it's a kind of a book end for Trader under Joe's has on its fearless flyer for November We did earlier. We did a Russian River Pinot Noir. which is for if you're having Turkey? Dinner of Pinot Noir Does Great With Turkey Cherries. Light Body doesn't overpower. And this is the a stick figure. Central Coast Red Blend twenty-six Dean which they suggested goes with Ham and and this is a big boy red blend. It's eight ninety nine and the one thing that I found about it that there is really nothing about this wind. Suggest it's eight ninety nine. It's got a label that can compete with retail stores as a trader Joe's exclusive. It's got pictures of grapevines. How they how they prone to be different things? You know the the basket the whatever the double coordinator all all those very wine vineyard related kind of Nice in the stick figure is the stick figure. itself is the grapevine it's a heavy bottle kind of like a NAPA. Cabernet Sauvignon bottle. And this is eight ninety nine trader. Joe's this limited edition and what's in there in the bottle itself is kind of a really nice big bland. It's got some okay agent or they don't say what's what this twenty sixteen and this is going to be twenty twenty in a month and a half so this has some aging to it and it's let's get a lot of flavors suggest oak so that's another thing One thing about inexpensive red wines is that they are made and white wine stu they're made to come together quickly. It's it's a production technique. It makes bright fruit fruit Ford or citrus Ford in comes to white wines makes Bright Wyans that are tasty the you know. And they don't cost money and this is they can come together quickly. They can sell it quicker now if you can sell wine a year earlier than you know than a than a twenty one that means you pretty much recouped all your your investment a year earlier and that's how you can sell wine inexpensively so when you have a eight dollar and ninety nine cent red wine that is made like the more expensive wines because it's twenty sixteen. It's got a lot of Oak at obviously didn't come together quickly because it's been three years since then. That's not quick quick when it comes to wine especially it's at a pretty good length of time with drink it now wines wines'll supposed to be aged. That's another story. And they can still go john for a while and before they sell them but drink it now. Two Thousand Sixteen as this is legit and it's a nice red blend. It's got a lot going on for or I'm GonNa take a SIP right now because it's it's one of those winds has a Lotta flavors. It's just it just does it says it's moderately dry arrive. which suggests some sweetness to it? But it's always nap persuade us that sugar sweet. So let me take a SIP. And we'll talk about that has got Black Cherries Some spice and some molasses and some liquorice and some black pepper and some spices. And it's got a lot of players amid pal has pretty much as much going on as the As the body of wine which is a nice thing sometimes amid powczer. You know the the they're just a little bit more than what the body the whiners point is got. This is a full medium to full bodied wine. It keeps on going. It doesn't just shut down after the first burst of energy there's more flavors here fur trader. Joe's eight ninety nine. You know these. These store brands have Advantages to them Because they cut out the middleman not all the middlemen But they do cut up part of the middleman a good chunk of things and since they go directly to a winery. I think I know this. One is is Central coast wine And they say they use the selection of cold-weather vineyards and warm weather vineyards. And you can taste it. There's a lot going on in the wind but because they go directly to the how the winery and they pay up front you know they get a better price than mobile otherwise winery as to wait a year or more they get their money back. You get paid upfront on. They can cut you a deal. You cut up a lot of what the middleman does. And you'd you'd you'd make some money up there so this isn't really a nine eight nine nine dollar wine in the in the story would sell for you know the was hard to hard to say how much more but it would sell for more money and and it it does taste that way. I mean this is a ninety nine wine that looks good. It tastes good. I don't know if I wouldn't necessarily put put this with Ham. I mean I guess if there was a lot of both things on the table you know Sausage in these casseroles cheesy Kasrils. You have maybe then because there's a lot of flavor Labour has its. You're GONNA need some flavor to stand up to this too so it depends on what you're doing. I was Kinda thinking while I was doing the review that this would be a terrific wine the drink after the meal airbase astound they. Relax and grab a glass new start talking about old times in the year the gun by and maybe put the game on. This would go well. So it's a it's it's not it's it's Scott smoothed mouth. Feel too it's got a lot of flavor not a challenging all. The flavors are kind of easy to decipher. It tastes good A Nice glass would go along way and kind of get the conversation going and if you WANNA put it with him out my all power to Ya I kinda like drinking this and I'm drinking it now. I don't have one more SIP than I'll say. Goodbye it's said all you need to say if you're thinking about ham for Thanksgiving in you WanNa go under ten bucks and still have a great while I'm it's not a bad choice on again at Scott. I'm big bold wind but it's not out of balance it's not too big not too bold it just has flavor and it just has some body and and that's what you want in a red wine aid always find for eight ninety nine so it's good when you get a good deal what's wrong. The good deal was around the good wine. What's wrong along the holidays? Nothing so that's for me in for a couple days we've got a lot to do because there's a lot of celebrating coming up and we WANNA help yea out with that and we will and so. That's it for me Keep it cheap. Audio season will come together and talk a day or two doc.

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DNB: Election Crisis 2020, The Cis Fires of California, & Madden Football Takes A Knee (9.8.20)

The Propaganda Report

34:31 min | 8 months ago

DNB: Election Crisis 2020, The Cis Fires of California, & Madden Football Takes A Knee (9.8.20)

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They have people had channels, they're Sam Tripoli we love Scott Adams has exclusive content channel, their Jimmy Door Mike Cerna, Vich Whitney web has what's hers. Unlimited hang out. Hanging yeah. So there's a ton a ton of content that you can get there and from us, you will definitely get at least an hour a week of exclusive deep dive video. So you can start that today at. Rockville. Just go to the propaganda report channel. Thank you very much and it is share the show Tuesday. So if you just love the PODCAST, the free thirty, whatever you love about the show if you would on your social media, please share it tele friend who you think is about ready for some unadulterated truth in the news every day and one thing that you might point out to them is that we have been talking about. A year ago basically brought this information and I coined the HASHTAG. Probably four or five months ago. Hashtag Election Crisis Twenty Twenty and boy is that thing coming down? I got so many articles since it me Lara Logan I think her name is wrote about how there's GonNa be a real coup, the military and other elected leaders are saying that they are not going follow the sky which goes to some of the stuff we keyed into the very beginning talking about Stacey Abrams Shannon debate here, and the first thing they asked her if trump gave you an order that you thought was illegal would you follow it for a while there? That was debate question in some of these Election campaigns and and people were saying we would not follow this that and the kind of Kudarat I thought over the weekend was Bernie saying trump will not concede he will not accept defeat and at the same time they're talking about. Postal Office. The Postman dumping bags a mail out here, and just the fact that they're going to allow mail in voting to extend past election day that mostly Democrats will be sending the mail in boats. All of this stuff is leading up to what seems to me either it's a fake out and they want us to be well ginned up or an election crisis. And not see it but I think this is going to be a real crisis they're building up to it. It's they're going to there's going civil unrest I think and so maybe martial law we're GONNA have some cross alums I got a newsletter from indivisible the activist organization that's very similar to black lives matter what are the most influential organizations in the country? Basically calling for civil unrest what's trump wins? I'd like to go through this with you real quick. Perfectly to what you're talking about, they send along with fundraising e mails, which they send out daily stoking fear. They also said out these monthly newsletters where they tell you the biggest threat that we're facing in what we are going to do about it in order to save democracy normally, it's distant far off threat, but the difference this time is that they presented a imminent threat and it was a little more alarmism than then I've seen before and these emails. The subject line, the email is no good lying cheater loser president and no way. Yeah. The newsletter highlight it highlights report from what's called the transition integrity project. Have you heard of this? But it sounds like a Its Bill Kristol is John Podesta. It's David Fromm. It's all. It's a bunch of where worked with the Clintons and the Clinton administration along with a bunch of never trumpers. How and it was created out of the Bergreen Institute, which is a think tank aimed at reshaping political and social institutions in the face of Great Transformations of the twenty first century what I got to write this down what's it called the Burger King the B. E. R. G. G. R. U.. E.. N.. Institute. Wow that sounds very German transition integrity project Yup. Her here is how indivisible presents this information that they put out a report and this indivisible presents the information contained in that report to their followers, a group of bigwigs from up from across the political spectrum meaning Bill Kristol never trumpers and John, Podesta not necessarily across the political spectrum as you might think of it. They met to conduct this transition integrity project, and the point of the project was to ask a simple question. How can we ensure that there will be a peaceful transition after the election and to answer the question they engaged in a war gaming exercise a role playing game where the participants were assigned roles and thrown into specific scenarios to suss out how the real world events might unfold post-election the groups at. The people were in during the war game exercise they were either members of the trump campaign, the Biden campaign Democrat elected officials, Republican elected officials, federal bureaucrats in the national security apparatus, the press and the public does raw the roles played in this role playing game, and they played out four different scenarios. As scenarios they played out were a close biden win abiding blow out a trump win and an uncertain result not. Didn't include a trump blowout and the key takeaways according to indivisible or one. Trump will likely attempt to cling to power if he loses they say that this is now entirely predictable. So. They're predicting that trump is going to cling to power if you lose his and that he has. All of the he's proclaimed that he's going to do this and he's got all the power of the government with. So they're applying these military power for sees it with but the Lara Logan article points out all I think if I read it right points out all these guys who would that's how I lead the shot and you're going to say that that people have indicated that they would not. They would break ranks with him. And you know you're not the commander in chief if you're not called national service, you're not the commander in chief if it's a if it's against you, you know what I mean. He can't call himself into defend himself. See the about the semantics of the Constitution has value. Absolutely. They go on to say that this matters because they can't count on some magical source of straight to materialize and just prevent trump from doing all this. Did they they should. They know he's got to do it and they need to prepare for it, and now the second the second takeaway from the report is. They likely won't know one until days after the election. which you were speaking to because of the vote by mail, it's GonNa take some states in the to process them longer but just stupid, Lakeland. Make the postmark the that day or the day before if you WanNa vote by mail, you have to get the damn thing in which just makes no sense. Yeah and I always said they was the details on this thing. They say that this matters because trump claiming election victory on election night right and he'll point to the mail in votes as fraud and so they say. That, the solution is the they must normalize the understanding that mail in ballots take to count, and that the election is not decided until all the ballots are counted. So that's the normalization process we've been experiencing in the media and the third and final takeaway is that the outcome of the crisis may not be decided by the courts, but by a show of numbers in the streets. My Gosh. Are you kidding me? This has been the whole we have been talking about this four ing years and it was always that check with. Panamanian. Dude. from Atlanta trip from Atlanta with the to stay sees that is when I first noticed it. This is not how things are done when you can get things done without doing this like we just shouting each other down and protesting to subvert the democratic process is only necessary when we don't get what we want is the most frustrating backwards upside down thing it is. It's not it doesn't I don't like democracy because it's mob rule that interferes with objective writes. This doesn't even pay lip service to that a show of hands a show of. Strength that would have to literally be sixty, five million people in the street to be a definitive. This has not represented our. Knee our. Choice it's like the Belarus thing naked get you get a million people on the street. In Belarus at still doesn't mean it wasn't a valid election right? Unless there are only less than two million voters in the whole country. You know what I mean another only voters like what if what, if every single immigrant comes as a seventeen million people not even eligible to vote who might look like they're eligible to Get them all out on the street. It means nothing right and when they get people out on the street, it's gotta be hard to determine if it really is a a massive people like they're going to claim it is because the media going to cover it to make it appear as though it's a lot larger than it actually. Will you know you can tell by the how many parties are out there? That's an interesting way to. Thought outside events. Who We went over, it's the obamacare March three marches at least one of them. My husband was with me and he's really had to do live events and I said how many people do you think are here and he looked around he really could eyeball and he's like well is that many people here's another row Porta potties you can see the density. Far, like. You can actually. Assess set by the facilities that are there and the flow through and the traffic and all that stuff. So we might be counting the porta-pottys. Yeah little but they don't but they don't actually want those answers and it doesn't I mean, that's look I'm no fan of Democracy Democracy is why we've lost all our rights democracy has subverted the constitution. But. But the mob rule that they're talking about doesn't even rise to the level of of recognizing universal rights. They're actually expressly about rearranging right so that some people have some things other people don't based on the color of the skin if I can tell correctly. Or gender or whatever this gets to the heart of what they're trying to do with they've been trying to do for a long time right here. Well, I'll tell you that over. After this, what's up guys with such uncertainty in the world right now, the best way to have true security is by growing your own food and neighbors feed and seed. In SMYRNA. Georgia, they got you covered the offer guard supplies, vegetable plants, chickenfeed bird feed farm supply everything you're Gardner farm needs even host a farmer's market on Saturdays from ten am to four PM and right now for propaganda report listeners only they're offering ten percent of all online purchases at neighbor speed and see dot com just type in coupon code prop pr all caps check checkout, and if you have any questions, give them a call at six, seven, eight, six, five, three, eight, three, eight. Okay. So when they said that it's going to be determined by a show of numbers in the streets, they go on to say that there's enough gray area in the law, and at the GOP has done enough to stack the courts that they cannot rely on the judicial branch terrain and trump and that the ultimate success of the transition may well come down to us mobilizing a grass roots insistence to respect the results and then they go on to say that. Trump is going to marshal his forces and they cannot count on some existing institution to save us it's up to us to prepare to mobilise. This is always been about their messages have been. It doesn't matter legally because the law and the system is corrupt and it needs to be torn down at its core, and that's what this speaks to and they wrap this up by saying let's be clear if we had a free and fair and safe election today, all of the available data suggest that trump would lose by a lot and this is heavy scary stuff danger is ahead. It's very real for but for us, the point of this report is we need to prepare for what's to come right now. I'll tell you it. All goes to the way they talked about the police defunding the police and transitioning that money into social services and changing Blah Blah the way. We think of. People's behavior and how to deal with it. I am crime and all that kind of stuff. With. That end with this when you're when you start talking about taking away the democratic apparatus parties, I mean democracy. If you start taking away the way, the police works if you take away the foundations, the pillars of this system which are all they're all part of one thing I'm not on board with this system, but it is a system do not to be replaced by half of the system or whatever you start pulling away the things that people are actually. Consenting to if. People are cooperating with, let's say the taxpayers big big tax payers. The income tax payers are like pay more than fifty percent of their income and they're paying probably. Whatever you huge percentage of the taxes comes from. People. Almost all the income tax comes from upper middle class or middle class workers who are doing all data showing up for work they're paying their taxes because they want these apparatus. If you start taking that stuff away, they are not going to want what you want to replace it with you and what you're trying replace it with is taking their money to use it for other purposes you're going to have to steal like you're going to actually have to to reveal. The underlying problem here, which is use of force there say saying they really the next step after you tell people, they know Lloyd their vote doesn't count anymore and they're not. You're not going to let the cops come protect their property and everything. Next thing those people are going to do is step off step out of line. If you want to use their stuff to promote your agenda, you're going to have to go to their house and steal it with a gun, which is what the government is doing already, but the people are effectively consenting to it because they're not. They're not resisting. This is this is really not going to work. It's a pure revolution. They're also right now and we saw this in episode one, one, Eighty, seven when they were all but promoting violence, go up bending over backwards to say it's perfectly fine to promote violence and you shouldn't criticized protesting. So normalizing the use of violence among these activists meeting up to this point of we did all this work after that little section of that email, they go onto outline all of the get out the vote type strategies they can use, and it emphasizes all of the work and activity that they must not only. Bind when they must make bide win by a landslide because that's the only way trump can't cheat. So by engaging in this activity, this frantic activity to save democracy, it will solidify in their minds that when trump wins that he cheated because how could he have won? They were there they did all this work that is going to make them even more angry may be conditioned to accept violets. The use of violence is GonNa make more proud to cross that line once trump wins and they're probably going to really call into question. Paper ballots because meal and pats I like male unbalanced I I. The system isn't going GONNA work they don't want it to work. There isn't enough time they're not doing it right. I predicted from the beginning that the devil will be in the details of this by paper ballots are good and they are going to have. I wouldn't be surprised if they have all sorts of a crying foul of stuff just like was in the news over the weekend in La there's bags of mail they're gonNa say, Oh, it's been destroyed. It's been lost. It can't be counted days have passed we can't do this anymore we must do all voting electronically online I mean that's where this is going. Shout out to liberty gear, dot net and online store filled with masks shirts even some posters including protest gear such as the obey Scwhab and flattened allies, masks, and lots of other funny weird stuff to lighten up your day. Even if you wouldn't choose to wear a mask many businesses and governments are now requiring, them might as well use the device to reach out to like minded people in your community and make them smile at the same time even if you don't want to buy anything. Right now look through the merch chances are there's something there that will give you a much-needed laugh in this crazy world and if you're looking for something you don't see mind they love new ideas and they take requests for custom gear just email them at custom at liberty gear dot net. So please support a fellow liberty lover and propaganda report van you might now in love and as a bonus until the end of September, all products are ten percent off only at liberty geared dot net. We talked about this a little while back but coming out in a very timely fashion is Stacey Abrams new documentary on voter suppression all end the fight for democracy, and there's a review of it from the warp says her film which is going to be coming out in about two weeks is timely and terrifying. So this plays into this election crisis fuels. You know what's funny also is that the subject line can you read me the subject line of that email again permanent divisible. Our monthly newsletter the no good lying cheater loser president. Okay. So I had just read an article I forget what is from? It was like horse down my throat when I opened my browser. So I'm sure like a lot of people have seen it and it said the there's a connection between falling for fake news story and stories and scoring low on cognitive functioning tests. So in short, stupid people can't tell fake stories and the article goes into saying trump talks fake news but he's a delusional moron and the fake news he's talking about is the real news, the real fake news like the pope endorsed trump. Morons like trump supporters believe it so high. Shot of the story was his stupid people. Trump supporters are stupid and they believe fake news and I. Just feel like when you read that e mail that is targeting stupid people. I mean. Who are using the critical faculty? I would sit what mature intelligent person really a mature intelligent person sees an email. That says Nanan Nanna. He's a stupid lawyer and it's like, Oh yeah, let me let me exercise my civil duties. My civil responsibility is by thinking about rights and justice and had best execute the constitution, which is really what we're talking about what the president is executive. Nanan He's a stupid lawyer Yes even written like it says our monthly newsletter and our and monthly a newsletter is capitalized because it's in that the headline subject but the no good lying cheater loser president that's all written kind of. Kind of like a kid is all lower case and it's not really properly. Yeah. It's trying to get you to alert to it. It's advertising genius I. Mean Those guys know what they're talking about but it's that it's the so many layers of propaganda and I wanted to if we have a minute just talking about to kind of related ideas one is this. Hour talking about two things that are in the news that really lay out what I mean when I say it's a dialectic I dunno from Hegel probably go back and read Hegel and because it's called the Hag Alien Dialectic, I really don't know David says it's like Problem Reaction Solution always as thesis antithesis synthesis but what I mean is displayed in the media, stop the fake news battle and also the ANTIFA. Stop. That's going on in these cities. So let me start with fake news thing. So you have. Obama would always say. Were I remember Obama. was kind of calling for fairness doctrine to come back Reagan did away with it was this thing where. If you were going to have especially on the radio where when right wing news started to emerge, there was a law on the books that said if you you have to also have like an equal amount of left-wing News, even though left-wing stuff wasn't popular on the radio, you the government kind of I think if I'm not mistaken like subsidized. Some Air America I don't know how it works, but there was fairness to action and you had to have it. And now when I hear. Trump say there's a lot of fake news we need to regulate these sources. They suppress conservative voices. We need the government to step in and balanced the news, and then at the same time you have the other side saying. Idiots believe fake news facebook started the. Integrity Initiative or whatever it was called where they're going to suppress suppress. Any kind of early claims of victory there can suppress political advertising. They'RE GONNA go in there and sensor and Microsoft is coming out with the deep fake. Flag alerts Detector and they're trying to their their goals coming in there with their own objections that fire up their people and and it's converging on the governments will control the press that is where they are going with this and similarly you have anti fa the anarchists emerging I mean was literally on the homepage of Fox News. Today both stories side-by-side trump said something about these filthy anarchists whatever Antifa get your act together you little cities in on the other side it was right wing vigilantes book loopholes or whatever kill people. It was just both sides coming out like this is crazy. They're both bringing their the message with the same both sides, these old lawless, violent dangerous people. And then what is eighty percent of the people are gonNA agree. Then that what you need is the Fed disciplined to crack down from the top. They're going to police the FEDS ARE GONNA fund it I mean that's where that's the synthesis and it's so I mean, I've never seen anything more obvious than this ANTIFA versus vigilante thing but the fake news versus really fake news thing his decision close second. Are you ready to try CBD products and see why so many people swear by everything from CD oil to body Lotion Muscle Rub. 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It was like a hundred and twenty degrees here and there's a fire the fire actually cooled the town down. That's how fricking does absolutely record-breaking which I have to say they said if they do soulread him Asia Management and then they stop it, there will be a spike in temperatures on I. think that's what's happening now but you Brownie to. Bryant. Brownies. Brownies her Ryan's no I just wanted the Brownie and it tastes a little bit like you know what I thought. Whatever, but it was good and it's gluten free and then it's like, oh, I got I. got think it just took a chill pill. So liked it and then the next day so. Obviously a liked it, but I didn't WanNA give a shoutout or re shout out to us from David. He says, thank you to Mike Shout out for Monica Brad they do the work. We do not have time to do or probably don't have the stomach to do props to the propaganda report my other shoutout to the bears we are growing every day and we will protect our dens from the vile evil stand in search for and walk in truth. Interesting guy to shout out there. Yeah. So yes. Thank you very much to all of our patients AIDS I do love the shouts but not to detract from the fast pace of our pulling away the propaganda from from the headlines of the day. Do we were you referring to the ceasefires a few moments ago? Right the. Fires of California. Yes. So It was such a stupid story the second I saw it. I was like this is so stupid. They said, it was a gender reveal party where they blew off fireworks features in a in a in a field. People I I am a scofflaw I, wear masks to not preg- other people. I don't care Pat I'm not worried about it. I've lived in California before and when I was a smoker. Man You've you flung flying a cigarette but like you do in New York just playing him I would now like. When I got older I would always pick them up and stuff I wouldn't let them. But when you're young, you don't even think about it. It's awful. You Net people would rather smoke. The doing like, Oh, I. Don't know like you cannot playing a cigarette you barely they don't even like people like you to Ash, not a national nobody smokes out here but. People, are so indoctrinated on not doing anything that could light stuff on fire. It is impossible for me to believe that that story was organic. Will you just don't understand how dangerous people who have the audacity to assign their baby a gender? How dangerous did they are? These people are reckless monsters these these cisgenders clearly, it's because they are evil. Because there's two kinds of people people who agree with everything I say into and evil people. Are Not people agree with everything I say do and they're responsible for the ceasefires California. This. This fire near me that I told my kids man, you don't give give some thoughts what goes in the box you might have one hour one hour. That they're they're in like at night it looks like the sun is setting, but it's midnight. It's crazy how oh yeah and like I saw it I looked up and it's like, oh, five hundred acres I sit there. Let that thing burn next day five, thousand acres tell. There's Assist. You entered people going back out there on restarting defied lot assist injured people out here. You would be surprised maybe they need a little transition integrity projects. News Yeah Anyway I don't care people can do whatever they want. I do not think that if your sister gendered or hasn't. Gender Child or transitioning and have a transitioning child that might be a little too far but it has nothing to do with being a dumb ass firebugs bug and I just I just think people it was. So it was like one hundred, eighteen degrees who the hell was going out there anyway into the middle of. The, you've basically kindling and lighting off fireworks. It's not believable. It was insanely hot. It was dangerously hot and that's I. Think it's from stopping SRM solar radiation management and they're going to bring it back and they're gonNa say, Oh, now we're doing solar radiation management skill look exactly like the trails. You saw before that they said we were crazy not you but me is going to be saying they're gonNA say there's going to justify it by saying solar radiation. It's called solar radiation management on the books. They just say the they're not doing it yet, but you can just look in the sky and see it but they stopped it when the Times started and I remember seeing what is this has that to work, and then I read in that Fourth Industrial Revolution Book by the World Economic. Forum people. That once you start solar radiation management. If anything were to interrupt it, you would have spiking temperatures and that's when I started beating for spiking temperatures and boy did I get them I set it on air well, it's unbelievably hot. It's one hundred twenty degrees. Didn't you say it one, hundred, twenty years. Yeah. That's what I'm saying like the the place that we that we came out here for the place near Coachella. That's the desert. It gets to be a hundred and twenty in the summer. It was hotter here in where I am in L. A. that it wasn't the desert. We have people renting our house out there in. August. It's so crazy. You never do that. That's just I mean it's like being in a star you're out of the house and you're like What I imagine Iraq is like when I see those images of people sweltering in the to sign on the desk saying given that I m A. Despised minority I should be able to tolerate these desert conditions. A little uncomfortable to tell you the truth though I did sit outside I liked it. Ruler now. It's Kinda messed up. Yeah. It's way too hot for anybody to be comfortable on some like you did. You know what? Yeah I I would burnout catch flights these I'll walk outside person claims actually catch on fire I don't have the exactly the skin for I don't even sweat. It's really messed up your idea I get. I get a little Tan if I buy work but he's got time to work on a Tan these days. Believe Spinning off did you. WanNa Tell You about Colin. Kaepernick. Did you hear? Now back. He's back in the NFL. On Video Games because the video game John Madden Twenty twenty one has announced that they are bringing back. Colin capital since the NFL nobody wants to sign him they said that he's one of the top free agent prospects out there. He's a capable starter. This is what Madden Twenty one, the video game is telling. You can play with. Colin. Kaepernick. On any team that you want on. Madden Twenty twenty one and I bet that they probably are going to make him the best player on the game he's probably going to dominate. So coller capital is back and even if you don't want him on your team, you don't have a choice because anybody can play anywhere that they want. So welcome back. Yeah, there it's. I'll talk about in the Patriot fifteen. A big step towards the end of Merit, the ends of merits, and it's part of this whole social credit score thing I can even folded into the USSR ring or the Third World Ing of America I've got a whole kind of mine vitamin for you in the past I would forward to hearing that you guys can find your drive time news blast every. Weekday. Afternoons the proper Port Dot Com or your favorite podcast platform with propaganda report podcast feed. If you want access to that extra content that we play every time that we post a DNB, go to patriotdepot dot com slash propagate report become a patron to get access extra content. 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Savage Love Episode 628

Savage Lovecast

51:12 min | 2 years ago

Savage Love Episode 628

"You're listening to the micro version of the savage love cast, WWW dot savage, low castes dot com. Remember how at the top of last week show. I said I wouldn't talk about politics at the top of this week show. Yeah. I lied the only sex topic. That really aroused my interest. This week was some research into the stark differences between the sexual fantasies of Republicans and Democrats. This research was done by Dr Justin Lee Miller who you should be familiar with. He's been on the show. And it turns out that Republicans fantasize a lot about infidelity made swapping group sex cuckolding, you know, the party of family values and Democrats the party of social Justice equity equality fantasize a lot about bondage S and M Dom sub relationships ravished meant because of course, the Republicans power imbalances are just another day at the office. Just the way things ought to be Welford Dem's power imbalance is a great big fat, juicy transgressive taboo, but you know, talking about Justin's research meant talking about politics. So I. Figured I might as well. Go ahead and talk about politics, even if it means breaking these semi solemn promise, I kinda sorta made you last Tuesday to give it a rest this Tuesday. I am however not gonna make the mistake. I made on a certain Tuesday in November of two thousand sixteen. I am not going to get all optimistic on your asses. I am not gonna make any sunny predictions about the results today because I am still hearing from people who listen to the opening of that Tuesday show a couple of days later and are still wracked by it. I just want to say this whatever happens today, if please baby Jesus the Bluewave is high enough to crash over the seawalls erected by corrupt Republicans and the advantages baked into our system for conservatives by our founding slave owning father's tiny conservative states. Get two senators large liberal states of forty times population. Get two senators if we do it today we can't declare victory. We can't spike the ball and go home. Home because we've got to stop thinking of this. This war were engaged in something. We can wrap up in one election. We're not engaged in a fight for our democracy. This is a fight for democracy period, and we don't really live in a democracy anymore. If we ever did it all the Senate is an anti small d democratic institution. The electoral college is an anti-smoking d- democratic institution gerrymandering and voting suppression efforts the UN really should be sending election observers into Kansas and Georgia those have rendered the house and anti small d democratic institution. And with four of the five justices on the conservative bloc of the supreme court. Having been appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. We can no longer pretend if we ever could that the supreme court is a democratic institution. This isn't a tilted playing field. This is the upside down. So it's not enough to take the house. We're please baby. Jesus the Senate we're going to have. To push. We're going to have to demand. We're going to have to fight. We're going to have to go to political non bloodshed. He war for an end to partisan gerrymandering. We have to balance the Senate by granting statehood to Puerto Rico population three point four million and Washington DC population seven hundred thousand giving them two senators each the same number of senators as Wyoming population five hundred eighty thousand and we have to get rid of the fucking electoral college. So that every vote in every state matters. So that the person who loses the popular vote never again somehow wins the election, David fromm wrote in the Atlantic earlier this year if conservatives become convinced they cannot win democratically. They will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy. They are convinced they cannot win democratically. That's why they cheat. And they have rejected democracy. That's who we're fighting wanna be authoritarians who as of this morning currently control every branch of government going to be a law. Hard fight because we're going to have to fight on that upside down playing field. But Democrats the base leaders elected need to start campaigning on statehood for Puerto Rico in DC an end partisan gerrymandering abolishing the electoral college, only big De-Democrats can save small d democracy. And if we can do it if we can win not just today's battle, but this fucking war. Yeah. It's going to make it harder for Republicans to win elections, at least until Republicans come up with policies that appeal to a majority of the electorate instead of policies that appeal only to their white nativist racist based coupled with voter suppression efforts designed to bleach the vote if we can change this system, and it makes it harder for you to win free and fair elections, again, you'll have a lot more time on your hands to jacket to cuckold porn. All right coming up on the magnum edition of the savage love cast, which you can subscribe to at savage, love casts dot com. Twice as long and no ads tristen tie. Romeo joins us to talk about strapping it on pegging. Also, it should be noted a popular sexual fantasy among Republicans and on the micro free addition to the savage love, tons of your cues, lots of my as all that coming up on today's show this episode of the savage. Love cast is brought to you by ever lane luxury basic clothing and excessive he's made it out the factories without those retail markups for free shipping and to support the love cast, go to ever lane dot com slash savage. This episode of the savage love cast is brought to you by Adam and eve dot com. Get fifty percent off one item and free shipping. When you enter the offer, code savage at checkout me undies makes feel-good underpants. Your but will be proud to wear and you will be proud to be seen him. They will be the most comfortable pair of underwear you will ever own and check it out yourself. Go to me, undies dot com slash savage. Dan, I'm a straight woman in my early twenties. And I have a question about my relationship with friend. We were friends throughout elementary and high school, and we still talk regularly and see each other few times a year. Even though we live in different cities. My question is about a couple of conversations that I have her and eighth or ninth grade when we were both twelve or thirteen she just goes to you that she was self harming and I made a really shitty unsupportive comment about her motives for doing it. And then in a different conversation around the same time. She asked me if I liked girls, and I also shut her down in a pretty shame way. She since catis by. So I can only see that that was an attempt to initiate a conversation with me about it. And I have no excuse for my behavior and should he actions either situation other than that, I was twelve end in a conservative part of the country. So my question is whether I should apologize her. She might even remember these conversations in which case, I'd only be transferring my burden of guilt her or make her feel like she has to comfort me or something like that. Which I. Obviously don't want. But I'm also thinking of people posting stories from their childhood on Facebook or something for coming out day of people being shitty to them. And if that's the case for hers, I may be an apology would be appreciated for me either way. I don't wanna make it about me and my guilt. I just know I said some really hurtful problematic things to a close friend. And I'm not sure if there's a way to start to make it, right? I'm going to pick this needle up an attempt to threat, I think you should raise the issue with your friend about those two conversations where you weren't able to be the person at that moment that she may have needed you to be and you failed her as a friend, but I don't necessarily think that you should apologize because you were twelve years old. You weren't a quipped to have this conversation. You were out of your depth. This was way above your paygrade. So you did fail her but not out of malice. You didn't have the tools you needed at the time to give her the support, and the assistance that she needed an okay, maybe you can apologize. But I don't think that you need to put on a hair shirt. Art or flagellate yourself or prostate yourself at her feet for having failed her at that time. You were twelve years old. She was twelve years old. I imagined there were other people in her life at that time who were failing her other people who played a larger role in her life and could have offered her more assistance and should've and could've or even did no better and failed her because they were shitty or judgmental or malicious. So I think you could have this conversation with your friend where you just bring up these two incidents that way on your conscience, and that you want to acknowledge and address and let her know that you're in a place now where you can be the friend that she needs whenever she needs in a way that you weren't in a place where you could be the friend that she needed at that time. And then you wrapping your apology up in a promise. And then you've kind of got a production on your hands. You've got an apology wrapped up in an acknowledgement wrapped up in a promise you're apologizing for how you fail to. Again, don't think you should wear a hair shirt about it. You're acknowledging where you were them in your development. And why you weren't able to be the person that she needed you to be at that moment for her. And you're promising her that you can be now that person going forward it is possible that she confided. These two things at twelve you had these reactions, which she didn't expect wasn't what she needed, and she may have issues your secrets or problems now that she feels to couldn't share with you for fear that. You'll have the same inadequate reaction, and you telling her, no, I am the friend you need now. In a way that I wasn't the friend you needed them. I Don I am twenty four years old living in major east coast city, and I'm just getting out of a short term monogamous early chip with this girl and she entering the relationship. She was coming off of an addiction of of pain medication and executive medication trying to tone it down accepted that go into the relationship, and you know, down the right thing started getting worse, and she's been very open down. And I just ended up having to cut it all and happened yesterday. And today, I go to check my phone, and I get a message from her picture with really. Really if cuts all the arms, and I've I've been a relationship for with the woman used to before. But this is something where you know, she may need medical tonight. I know she doesn't have many outlets here in Oregon relationship with their parents. And I only know one other friends, and she just sent me another message saying that basically you're on the Bush that she wants to herself even more. So I question is even though I'm out of this relationship. Am I obligated to or should I or each out to one of her peers to let them know what's going on? Or should I not not do anything like her trying to be back into relationship in the form of manipulation? Not really sure what to do here. I do tend to gravitate or is it a caring side of a relationship. And it's. Part of the reason why sided to end this one's because entering this early role. But I forgot to mention I'm not sure if I did that I'm willing twenty four and I'm trying to seek out open casual relationships, but I found myself in this place again, this is a sad situation. But your question is a pretty simple one in the answer is equally simple. You ask whether you should contact her friends and family. Absolutely. You should definitely contact her friends and family, and if it escalates you should contact the police and ask them to do a well person. Chuck, she has essentially taken herself hostage and she's harming yourself to manipulate you into taking her back, and then what you can never exit this relationship that you don't wish to be in. Because she's always going to have big you're typically a gun pointed at her own head unless you willing to spend the next six or seven decades of your life with her you can't cave to that. You have to. To away from it and the way you pivot away from it is by calling in the cavalry in the form of friends and family and stepping out. And then she will know that if she sends you these images if she sends you these threatening texts or she's threatening herself in an effort to manipulate you that isn't going to result in you rushing to her side, which is what she wants. It's going to result in friends and family intervening as they should. And it sounds like they need to. I'm a frugal man by nature, and I tell you there is nothing worse than overpaying for something. You think you're going to love only then see had fall apart at ever lane. That does not happen. Everyone started with a basic t shirt and a simple, but bold idea that they could set a new standard for the retail industry. Everyone makes beautiful long lasting products. 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Also, thanks so much when people say in regards to oral sex at the risks are low what they mean in what they're regurgitating, whether they know it or not is something that we set a lot and that people heard a lot during the worst years of the HIV aids epidemic, which is that the risk of transmission. The risks for oral are low for transmission of HIV HIV, which is easily transmitted during anal intercourse transmitted, not generated you have to be having sex with someone who has HIV to contract HIV. There's also a risk during vaginal intercourse, not as significant as during anal. But what we learned research study ins, I was at the risk of transmission during oral was very very low unless there was a cadre. Nope and sore in the mouth, but the risk if you're having sex with someone who has gone RIA or syphilis or committeea during oral sex the risk of. Transmission pretty significant if you're having sex with someone who has one of these sexually transmitted infections, also herpes pretty easily transmitted, these are things you might have wanted to look up in think about before you begin having sex with other people you are when you open up your relationship when you have sex with multiple partners. That pleasure that you're obtaining comes bundled with a greater degree of risk. And you have to ask yourself are the rewards your benefiting from the intimacy the contact the pleasure the release worth risk. And if the answer is no, then you shouldn't be blowing a lot of other guys. He should be in a monogamous relationship. Not that that's magic and can protect you from all sexually transmitted infections. Lots of people in monogamous committed what they thought were closed relationships contract sexually transmitted infections. Some CDC stats. One point seven million cases of committee in. Two thousand seventeen that's a twenty two percent increase since twenty thirteen. Also in two thousand seventeen half a million actually more than half a million cases of gonorrhea, a sixty seven percent increase since two thousand thirteen syphilis thirty thousand plus cases in two thousand seventeen seventy six percent increase since two thousand thirteen. Now, I want to give you any false impressions a lot of these cases, particularly gonorrhea and syphilis are among in by men prep. The daily drug regimen. That gain by men are urged to get on to protect themselves from HIV offer, no protection from syphilis gonorrhea chlamydia, and we are seeing in gained by mail communities. The huge spike in cases of syphilis Connery in committee less so in straight land. But the trends are up also in straight wounds. So you're out there having sex with multiple male heterosexual partners. There is risk. There is risk when you enjoy oral sex. So monitor your health. Get tested regularly. 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Which is also that peace and he had ten points, which I saw. So I had disclosed might be Stam when she gave me a lot of shit floor and lunch before but I just and he peed did not disclose. His his words to me. And I'm plenty of reasons to believe that he hasn't. Tested for her patience. We were together and be he he probably hasn't told this guilty and Twitter. And I don't know if I should reach out to her. I think if I were dating somebody who had done these things and Kevin on on this stuff managed to me. I would want to know I don't wanna go public with it. I don't want to call them out. I don't know what he did here. Dan. I think you should say something to her. You need to decide what kind of saying something to her you're comfortable with if you contact her directly and asked to meet up with her or tiller who you are and give her your name and your history with this guy. He may find out that you reached out his girlfriend. She may go to him and tell him that you called her with these. Accusations. These truths, and are and do you fear for your safety. If that gets backed him because going to her as yourself meeting up with her. You run the risk of her going to him and telling him everything you also run the risk. However, you decide to contact her of her reacting defensively and siding with him in this dispute as we've seen with some women when they find out it was their partner who has been accused credibly of sexual abuse, rape or assault. Hey, there Julie Chen, they will lead to the side of their partner, their male partner, and she may do that she may perceive you as vindictive axel, or he may convince her that you are a vindictive ex if she goes to him and talks to him about what you told her. So there's contacting her as yourself outing yourself her knowing your name, and then him potentially finding out you spoke to his new girlfriend in an attempt to warn her also attempt to hold him morally accountable, if not legally accountable, and you dated him he raped you someone who's capable of raping a person is, sir. Certainly capable of stalking her assaulting that person anger. The other option of courses to reach out to her and on him asleep to create a g mail account to track down or Email or create a an account on Twitter that isn't identified with you and send her some direct messages letting her know about this person that she's with no she dated him before you dated him. So it's possible. She knows how awful piece of shit human being used also possible that he hasn't revealed himself to be the awful shitty monster as human being that he is to her in the same way that he revealed it to you if he hasn't demonstrated out to her he's hasn't attempted to isolate her if he hasn't sexually assaulted her. If he hasn't gasoline her about sexually transmitted infections or slut shamed. Her she may be disinclined to believe you when you tell her that he did all these things to you things that he has not done to her yet. But she could be now in this relationship with him. And have perceived and then ignored or rationalized away some red flags his first attempts at isolating her perhaps some sexual encounters that were coercive that she felt like in gross about afterwards. And then rationalized away as a misunderstanding. But contextualized with the information that you're going to give her she will see them for what they are the first steps toward isolating her. So that he can abuse her and the coercive sacks not being ambiguous. But actually being rape adjacent. And soon to be rape itself holding a rapist accountable legally the bar is that high because of he said, she said who do you believe reasonable doubt dish nece, but I think you should reach out to her. But you need to think through how you want to go about reaching out her as yourself name attached with the potential that that will get back to him. Maybe blowback for you or anonymously, and of course, the problem with anonymously, she may be less likely to take it seriously without being able to look in your eyes or have a conversation with you. It may be easier for her to dismiss, but you have to weigh your own personal safety while you determine what you're gonna do to help protect this woman who's a stranger to you from the monster that she's with no. You need to up your underpants game. Don't ask me how I know this. But I do quick spot. 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And I don't know really what the change is about. It. Just kinda makes me nervous. Because of course, I always go to thinking the worst because I have trust issues. But yeah, I'm trying to figure out you know, what what could be the cause of that. You know, maybe he is. He just going to be a little bit more comfortable or what is going on. What the difference is you've been with this person for four years. You're engaged to be married. And you can't go to him and say what's up? I've noticed something's changed. Like you're much more vocal during sex. Don't have a problem with that just you of switched gears and curious where that came from what inspired you feel more comfortable with me after four fucking years. What is it? But you didn't ask him that you asked me to get in my magic machine and burrow into his brain. Did. Through the synapses and figure it out for you to ask to to to to somehow find out for you, what the fuck is up with your feelin say, and I can't possibly know the answer to that question. The only person who knows the answer to that question is your fiancee what I want to challenge you on is the inadvisability of marrying someone that you can't communicate with are afraid to communicate with or feel too inhibited to communicate with over the course of your marriage. There are going to be many many times people grow and change. That's why sometimes you hear people get divorced. And they say we kind of grew apart people will become. Entirely different people, but they will take on new interests and their behaviors will change, and you need to be able to have Frank and open conversations with your partner about the person that they are the person that they're becoming and it would seem I'm inferring here that you weren't comfortable having that kind of a conversation with your partner in that is worrisome. So before you get married before you scramble your DNA together. Let's take this is a test run. Imagine some future circumstance where your partner who's always been a teetotaler starts knocking him back three or four beers night. You can want to be able to say to him. Hey, you're drinking a lot more than you used to you. Okay. Just developed a taste for it is this landing to be worried about are you conscious of the fact that you're drinking a lot more than you used to drink. There. Also might come a point in your marriage, where your partner starts displaying some symptoms of a physical element or or a mental illness and your. You have to be able to go to your partner and say, hey, what's up? I'm worried about you. I'm concerned, this is manifesting in our marriage. And we need to be able to talk about it. So the fact that he's much more vocal right now during sex, that's small beans. It's really small. He's maybe he saw some porn where people were being vocal. He's like, you know, what I want some of that. Or maybe he read something online where women was complaining about her male partner being stoic and silent during sex and not giving her the feedback that she wanted. And she wasn't feeling a firm because he didn't seem to be enjoying himself because he wasn't really saying anything, and that's why he cranked this up maybe doing it not to spook you or scare you. But to please you, and if it isn't pleasing you or it's weirding new out. Be able to talk to him about that. So go talk to him about that. Don't talk to me about that. I don't know the answer. But I do know that your unwillingness to ask him this direction perfectly legitimate and small beans. Question is concerning if indeed you plan to marry this man, hey, Ben, I'm a forty five year old straight man in may of twenty seventeen. I moved out of my home by family of twelve years. That July I met other younger woman, and we immediately what I thought fell in love. Honestly, we developed a daddy Dom sub little relationship, which was very strong and very connecting. And I know there's a big age difference. It's a twenty year age difference when we met there was a connection we dated for about. I don't know who literally two weeks, and she told me that she was still involved in sex work and was really trying to stop did everything in my power to help her eaten including having her move in my apartment, so she could feel a little more safe. After her sex work after she finished in promise. He wasn't going back. She then revealed that she held a bipolar disorder, which I knew anyway, really, well, we worked through it. It got really dark. It got really light. When he did a lot of travel together throughout twenty eighteen and about a month ago. I asked her for three days space because I was really tired. She then said if you need the three day space, we are now broken up for good locked me on all social media. Telephone emails. Everything couldn't get in touch with her really had not gone through any kind of like drop like this in my life. She finally reached out to me two weeks later. Somewhat begging to see me then reveal that she had been dating another guy five or six times. He new. I just knew he doesn't mean anything. Well, this guy is now going away. And for ten days. She has been over my house a few times we've slept together probably three or four times in the past week. I'm really emotionally sensitive. I really feel like I totally just got played. So the day before he leaves on his ten day trip. He says I think it's time that we stopped talking to these next ten days she's blocking me again, and she has gone. And I guess what's happened is she probably promised this do that. She wouldn't talk to me and she's prepared to leap into another relationship. Can you please help me? Help you what I'm not sure what exactly I'm supposed to do. Here. You had kind of a crazy fund roller coaster ride of a DS relationship with someone who we don't want to stigmatize her for her mental illness, certainly certainly not, but somebody who is impulsive somebody who is unpredictable somebody who isn't a good long-term prospect, at least for you. And it is over. She has ended it seemingly. She's ended at twice. She ended up the first time, and then you kind of took her back on her terms. Even though she had blocked two in social media and cuttings off in a kind of abrupt and cruel way after you made a perfectly reasonable request for just a little bit of space, you took her back and now she's gone again. Maybe back she may circle back to you again when she's in a bad place or needs your support, emotional or financial. And then you're going to have to ask yourself if you wanna get back on this fucking roller coaster. Maya Angelou said when. When someone tells you who they are believed them the first fucking time. And she's told you, my Angelo. Of course, didn't include fucking I added that to paraphrasing. My absolute technically there, but believing the buck in time, and she has told you that she's a little bit all over the place kind of a manic pixie dream girl, but not a transformative one who improves your life in the end and happily ever after kind of manic pixie dream girl who gave you a really amazing experience or the transitional sexual relationship out of your marital relationship after your divorce, and and it's over and probably needs to be over. And you don't need my help to ended. She ended it twice take that pair of big fat fucking knows for the answers that they are. I am a twenty six year old married male straight and been married for only two years been with a person or a while. We started dating right after high as you know, was about six or eight years ago. I guess now I'm calling because I recently moved here near Idaho. Reasonably and I. Far away. And I started in job where there is this lady who is ultimately, read and write. I am a credit the attracted drive, I I got a happily married, but this woman is just so intriguing and I'm just so charmed her for some reason, I. It's kind of triggered me out a little bit just because of how intense the attraction as you know, I am not gonna. Shut up about it. But yeah, it just let me know if that's formal or what's going on. That would be great. It's perfectly normal to be attracted to people who aren't your wife. It's perfectly normal to develop crushes on co workers or neighbours. That's why a monogamous commitment is a commitment and not some sort of default setting not some sort of autopilot that kicks in when we fall in love with one person. You make them anonymous commitment, and what you're telling that person is I will refrain from fucking other people. It doesn't mean you won't wanna fuck. Other people doesn't mean you won't develop crushes awkward, perhaps inappropriate complicated. Crushes on other people. You will the trick in a monogamous relationship is to not fuck that other person because you are in a monogamous relationship, and you made a monogamous commitment and unless you're crushes interested in you sexually and would like to act on it. And unless your wife is willing to renegotiate the terms of your monogamous commitment, and unless you're crushes husband is willing to renegotiate the terms of their monogamous commitment. This can't happen. Now, the thing about crushes and infatuation is even if they're never acted on. They tend to have a half-life shelf luck. They tend to burn out in time. So you can power your way through this. You can just say it's a crash, but I am not going to touch that person with the tip of my penis because I don't want to blow up my marriage and masturbate your way through it. But I'm surprised that you're listening to the show, and you don't know what is going on here. You're married to your wife to presumably you love and you wanna fuck somebody else. Because of course, you do because you are as the old saying goes, married, not dead. Circling back about autopilot. It is pumped out there in the culture that if you love someone people get the city from television, rom, coms and novels and the bullshit that people pump into the kids heads that. If you love someone you won't want to sleep with someone else. And then you. I love someone and you marry that person and suddenly meet somebody that you really want to sleep with. And if you aren't aware that that is normal and thing that happens even in the context of a loving committed relationship you've no desire to exit. You may tell yourself that. This is a sign that you don't really love your spouse because you can only feel this way about one person at a time. And if you feel this way about your co worker, you must not feel this way anymore about your husband or your wife. So this myth that. We this myth is way, we can flake love and monogamy and sort of mush them together. Into one feeling is really destructive undermines committed monogamous relationships, and we need to not promote this myth. Not tell this lie that if you love someone you won't wanna sleep with anybody else if you love someone and you make a monogamous commitment. You are still gonna wanna fuck. Other people honoring your monogamous commitment means you don't get to fuck other people. Hey, Dan, this is a twenty year old. Non buying a person from the mid west has an interesting or maybe need. Question about media sems. So I'm a sexual in. I just recently got involved in my community and. Being a sexual. I'm kinda concerned. Because I am not interested in sex. Or the fact that I'm not in it for any sexual reasons. I feel like I might be invading. Like, I say space for these people like am very respectful of it on very open about why in there and what I'm doing. But I feel like I might be encroaching on this space that people feel more comfortable being in. Sexually open just being clear myself. I know what it's like. So she could maybe assure me that'd be great. You're not a fraud. Let go this impostor syndrome. Bullshit, you're entering DSM spaces you're being upfront about who you are sexually non binary a sexual, but you enjoy the BSN activities which for others are rooted in their sexuality and rooted in desire, but your deriving some of their kind of pleasure intimacy connection that doesn't conflict with your sexuality, you're going on binary status, and so long as the people that you're playing with don't object to playing with people who enjoy the activities in a different way than they're enjoying them. You aren't misleading. Anyone you aren't doing anything wrong? I've been to other fetish kink events where there were straight men playing with gay men who are subbing or Da-ming for gay men. And the game was experiencing it very differently than the straight. Man was experienced the straight, man. It was maybe just about the technique or the sensations and for the gay, man. It was also about the eroticism and the the male male sort of keeping sexuality, but everybody was out an open about it. And no one was misleading. Anyone straight guys pretending they weren't straight. The guys weren't pretending that they weren't vibe ING on the straight guys maleness, and it was all perfectly legit. I've also seen gay guys play lesbians media som spaces and lesbians play with straight men and Biya's spaces and you as a new sexual plane with sexual sin ABI DSM space there. Ain't nothing wrong with that. And there's a lot like that that's been going on and BCSM spaces forever. And your presence is perfectly. Welcome and perfectly legitimate. And you need to stop wringing your hands about it. Hi, dan. I work as a nanny. And I take care of seven year old girl whom I can back. And guess most recent bath session, she took around nail brush. I guess that's what it was. And started pleasure meeting ourselves at first. She just started giggling, and I was like are you taking your cells, and she just giggled, but then she started to make sex noise. I mean, anyway, I'm not gonna do it. I I didn't say anything about it. Because last thing I wanna do is. Shame her and I have decided I don't want to tell the mother about it. Because the mother knowing her we'll get purple in the faith in might want to talk about it. I guess. I was wondering if there is anything I should do or should I just leave it alone. There are kids that kids age who masturbate who pleasure themselves who play with their clitorises or play with their penises, and Dr pleasure from it. If the sounds this girl was making in the tub when she was stimulating herself were authentic, sounds of self pleasure that a child might make in might make without inhibition dot knowing that there was something inappropriate or unquote wrong about doing this in front of someone else. Then you could let it slide. You could maybe say to the child if you didn't wanna speak to the mother. Hey, that's something you do when you're alone. That's not something you do in front of another person. If you wanna touch yourself you wanna touch your privates. That's a private thing. And here I am in the room. So now is not the time. But from your recounting, the sounds she made we're exaggerated the sounds. She made we're kind of. Corny and adultery. And so I do think you're going to have to risk a conversation with the mother if you don't wanna look at her face, get purple if you don't want her in the moment to blame us somehow for sexualizing, her child sender an Email detailing what happened because it could be this child has been exposed to pornography at an early age. And if the other parent or some friend her age or older is showing her pornography or leading pornography where she can find it. Mom and dad, it's going to have to intervene. They're going to have to figure out the fuck is going on and put a stop to it. Hopefully in a non shame e way that doesn't wind up scarring. This child is also the smaller chance that someone has abused this child, and if someone is abusing this child and sexually exploiting. This tile, then mom, certainly needs to know. No in the cavalry needs to be called in. So I'm afraid you're going to have to have this conversation with the parent ways, you describe mom. She sounds pretty sexually repressed maybe sex negative, and you may be the messenger who gets shot you go, and you tell this repressed sex negative parent that their child is behaving in this way. And they get so upset and angry about it and the mother's panic and her anger gets directed inappropriately at you. But that's a risk. You're gonna have to take because there's a possibility here this child is either being exposed to pornography prematurely or sexually exploited by an adult. So have that condo with mom or send that Email to mom? All right. We're almost out of time. But let's quickly pop over to Twitter. Math updates for bisexual 's tweets crash on my couch and savage love cast happy to join you on your couch. Eat Conroy tweeted have a confession. Make never listen to podcast in my life. Hit me up with a recommendation and. Bittersweet tree tweeted back Dan Savage's love cast. Thank you bittersweet Twee four the recommendation and Silva, non tweets, listening savage love cast about emotional infidelity. Who cares if emotional infidelity is real or not all that matters is how partners feel about each other's actions. Studies have shown that dismissing feelings doesn't make them go away who knew at bake, Dan savage. She wanted to make sure I saw. Yeah. But what if your partner is irrational, what if your partner's feelings are controlling and manipulative and weaponized as abusers often? Do they weaponize their precious fees? So I respectfully disagree. If you want me to read your tweets on the savage love Caspi short to hashtag savage at Lub cast and here now some response calls. Hey, there this is for the dad whose daughter is playing tackle football, Dan. I'm afraid your sports ignorance is showing I played a lot of tackle sports. And there's a lot of incidental contact, but the relationship between a center and quarterback is very intimate. No matter the anatomy, those fingers are right up next. With the labia or spurred and the inner thigh. What I would recommend that he look into what's called a pelvic protector often sold for hockey and wrestling, it's just some Patty metal provide protection of all sorts that his daughters. Lady bitten may appreciate I would also recommend that he started talking to his daughter, and her coaches and an empowering way just about how emotions and bodies change in puberty. It may make sense for her to start cross training for other positions that kind of fit where she's going to be in a few years eight, and this is a call response to the guy who had the boyfriends with the gambling issue. I am player. And when I got together with my then boyfriend he was not into whatsoever. So we did these Orman. Orman of splitting our finances where we put a certain percentage of our income into a joint account, and that was our money that we used to pay everything with and the remaining percent went to our personal accounts where we really anything engaged at. It's been often. Hi, Dan, Nancy, and the tech savvy average use I thought. For the sugar baby and episode six twenty seven reforms cheer myself. I recognize your sugar daddies pattern of behavior because it's what I used to do when I was seeing women who are my partner. I would always make excuses to them about why they couldn't stay at my apartment or why we couldn't go to certain bars or do other activities. And when I suspected that a woman wanted to get more serious, I would serve dropping hints that it wouldn't work out long-term. And I think that's what he's doing when he tells you that he feels guilty. Any can't meet your needs. You know, he doesn't want to break things off. But he also doesn't want to be with you on time. And the fact that you haven't been to his house feel hidden suggests to me that he doesn't wanna blow up his marriage, and the fact that you haven't met his daughter. I don't think that's a big deal. But all of the other things, you know, suggest to me that it's not gonna work out. And I would go as far as to say that in less. You seem court documents. I would be skeptical that he didn't separated, you know, you're. Twenty two years old at the end of the day and decades, dating and romance headed you, and if you want a long term partner, you deserve a long term partner who wants to be with you. And I don't think that this guy wants to do. So. Hey. And we're going to leave it there to six three oh to two os six four is the number of cast question or comment purview to show? Give us two six three zero two two six four. If you want us to catch your comments on Twitter, be sure to use the hashtag. 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Letting States Go Bankrupt

Pro Rata

10:39 min | 1 year ago

Letting States Go Bankrupt

"I products is for Rutta where we take ten minutes getting smarter on the Tech Business About. I'm Deborah back. A today show cannabis in the age of Corona virus and smartphone makers. Feel the pain but first states going bankrupt. So it's becoming clearer and clearer. That states are facing their most severe fiscal crisis since the Great Depression with plummeting tax revenue and soaring obligations. What's unclear though is what the federal government plans to do about it now. There was about one hundred and fifty billion dollars in state and local aid in the original cares act but most field. That's not nearly enough to cover. What could be major budget? Shortfalls in many states led by governors of both parties but there is a partisan divide over whether or not more federal aid is appropriate in. Short Democrats want it. Republicans are less shore. Here's Mitch McConnell. Speaking last week on Hugh Hewitt's radio program. I would certainly be in favor of allowing the is the bankruptcy route if it saves some cities. And there's no good reason for it not to be available so three things to know I states can not go bankrupt. Under current law cities and towns and counties all can but states cannot. Mcconnell seems to want it to be able to happen but has not yet introduced any legislation to change it to bankruptcy. Isn't the same thing going broke bankruptcies about not being able to pay off your debt obligations and then letting court sorted out. Going broke is about having more bills than money which is really the situation that states find themselves in and debt payments are just a tiny piece of that three. The politicization of this is maddening. President trump's just that only blue states are asking for more federal aid but that's simply untrue and just like it does the state no good to have any of its cities or towns and Fiscal Straits. It does a country good to have one of its states unable to afford basic needs like safety and education. So why is this partisan fight happening? Well the Atlantic's David Fromm believes. It's basically a power grab by. Mcconnell and Republicans who viewed the advent of state bankruptcy as a way to lessen the power of public pension unions. It's not a new idea but you know never let a crisis go to waste. So let's go deeper on that argument with the Atlantic's David Frum. So David I want to start you. Lay Out in this piece that you wrote that. Republican desire for states to be able to file for bankruptcy isn't new note that Newt Gingrich and Jeb Bush wrote op Ed in support of it nearly a decade ago. Why do you think it hasn't happened yet? Why that legislation not only has never passed. It's never been seriously introduced. Let's begin by distinguishing between a state. Bankruptcy state default. Many of us use those as if they're the same offence state not paying its bills but state default has happened often before in American history. Eight states defaulted on their debts before the civil war. The State of Arkansas defaulted on its debt in during the Depression in Nineteen thirty three and the fourteenth amendment one of its clauses required former confederate states default on their war debts as a condition of readmission into the United States. A default is a sovereign act. Kings and Queens have been not paying their bills for as long as they were kings queens and state stand in the position of kings and wings. They don't have to pay their bills. No one can make well hold on for one second that but the court can make them because and this wasn't my question but if I'm making this up now but if Illinois were to default on its municipal bonds the bondholders would sue. The court would almost certainly rule for the bondholders order the bank to comply and handover the state's money's right but all that would happen in a state court fair state law you see. That's the thing bankruptcy isn't it is not about how states pay their debts. It is not about how states wind back their debts. It set anchor. Abc's about his. Who should be in command because remember under the Constitution? Bankruptcy is a federal exclusive domain. It's Congress's domain. So if we argue about when we argue about whether station anger is not whether the state should have some way of escaping their obligations a obligations become too happy not whether states should have to do something about their pension funds because in many cases states have made unrealistic promises and Blue States and Red States both Illinois and Kentucky New Jersey and South Carolina when the demand for state bankruptcy laws is about is about putting the federal courts in charge of this process. That's what it's about and that's why historically or I should say that's why over the past. Ten Years of Republican ascendancy has been Republican politicians with most urged estate anger. That is federally supervised working out of state obligations. Let me go back. And we'll get to Mitch McConnell in a minute because you're right. We currently obviously have Republicans controlling the Senate and the White House but going back to two thousand eleven you did have a Republican House representatives but Democrats still had both the White House and the Senate at that. Point is your argument. I guess going back. Then that time that there was a feeling that it was eight years of Bush appointees on the federal bench and thus that's kind of how Republicans viewed as a power grab then even though they didn't have to three branches Israel because Congress would not run a state bankruptcy federal courts would and what the demand for state bankruptcy is about is about favouring certain state obligations over others. And we have very real experience of this when Puerto Rico which is of course not a state but a territory and the many many cities that have gone bankrupt under federal law. Cities can with federal courts tend to do is to put the claims of bondholders. I and the claims of employees and pension motors last. And there's maybe a good argument for that. Maybe if you want to return to credit markets it's good to have a good reputation for paying your mom but back in two thousand and eleven when we were still no throws of the two thousand eight financial rises and saints for making many adjustments. What a lot of Republicans were worried about. Especially looking at a time. When Republican dominance state government was becoming ever stronger after the alleged two thousand and ten and since two thousand ten and the redistricting Guzm. Eleven was that state financial crisis. Might Cause states raise taxes. Might cause taste of impose favorable conditions on bond whores and politicians like Newt Gingrich Jeb Bush then politicians like Mitch McConnell now look to the federal horse as allies on behalf of bondholders against pensioners and my own bias with bondholders. But the idea that you're going to bring in a ringer like this. That troubles me bondholders. Pensioners obviously to major expenses although unlike say Alabama and in nineteen thirty three where I think over half of its obligations to bondholders. It's usually around five percent in average state today. Pension obligations are obviously larger. But the issue. We've got right now in most of these states is really neither one right. I mean they matter but the bigger issue is a massive budget problem which is really born not of those obligations of increased medical costs increased unemployment and obviously massive falling tax revenue. So I wonder from your perspective. Is this conversation right now. Partially a red herring because this is really a budget problem. Not a debt repayment problem. You're are so right about that and Mitch McConnell. When he raised it was following the rule. Never let a crisis go to waste. It is not the pensions as you say. That are at the root of the troubles states face now but this troubles states face now create an opportunity for federal authorities to lever the policies. They want on the states. And I think Mitch. Mcconnell is realistic enough to know that we are about to depart. The age of Republican dominance. I'M YOU'RE ABOUT TO ENTER. An Age. Democratic dominance and so as he goes out the door trying to get as many judges on the bench as possible and put an architecture that would give those conservative federal judges enormous authority over states. That are going to be trending. Blue in the twenty twenties is remembered. Not only as an election in twenty twenty. They're also we hope will be a census in twenty twenty. That wouldn't end to some of the more extreme gerrymandering. We've seen in places like Wisconsin North Carolina. David final question for you. So McConnell comes out last week and talks about changing the loss of states file for bankruptcy he then yesterday softened a bit suggested he would be open to federal aid for states and localities which would preempt the idea of any state needing to file for bankruptcy or have another sort of default. But he wanted to tie it to this idea of business liability waivers from your perspective is McConnell using this bankruptcy thing now just purely as leverage is in other words you think he's kind of given it up so long as he can get the other thing he really wants and you never know when a politician speech on radio show how top of mind the thing the politician says is and also. It was a conservative radio. Show Hugh Hewitt. It might have been. The McConnell was just sort of dusting off some of the greatest hits of the past and replaying them one last time not have been considered plan but McConnell's the basis of his power has always been that he's a realist doesn't imagine that victories aren't going to happen. He leverages the power. He asks us the results he wants. Dave from WHO's peace. Why Mitch McConnell wants states to go bankrupt you can read at the Atlantic you can follow him at David Frum on twitter. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you my final two right after this axios gives you the news and analysis. You need to get smarter faster. On the most important topics in our unique smart brevity format we cover topics from politics to science and media to tech. Subscribe TO GET SMARTER. Faster at sign-up. Dot axios DOT COM and now back to the podcast. Now it's time for my final two and I was high times. The candidates spoke media company. Best known for ITS ICONIC MAGAZINE High Times. 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The power of local government

Democracy Works

42:37 min | 2 years ago

The power of local government

"From the McCartney institute for democracy in the studios of WPN issue radio on the campus of Penn State university on Michael Berkman, and I'm crispy and this is democracy works today. Michael we're going to talk to Peter Buckland. He works here at Penn State. He's the academic program manager of the sustainability institute here on campus. But that's not really why we want to talk to him. We brought him in because he's also chair of the board of supervisors of the township of Ferguson, which is one of the local government bodies here Iran in in Happy Valley. It's a lovely township. I used to live there you go. And and so we talked to him Jenin. I talked to him over over coffee, and he has a very compelling and. Interesting take on on local government and as a elected officeholder himself. We thought it'd be interesting to bring him in local government is in some ways. I mean, maybe abstractly a very appealing part way to express your your your democratic self, right? Well, has a deep tradition in American political right in American politics, and we've talked about this a little bit before when we talked about school districts. Localism has a deep tradition. There political thought, you know, New England town meetings still are going on. And it's something distinctive about American politics that you know, Tocqueville was very aware of writing in the eighteen ten eighteen twenties. So no it is. It is interesting. They were not written into the constitution it way. That's true. And local governments are also certain kinds of economic arguments that lead conservatives to prioritize local governments. But you know, I also remember that when David fromm was here he talked a lot about how people just need to get involved in anything. And that there's something very democratic about that. And there there's something important to once development is a democratic citizen and local governments do offer people the opportunity to get involved in a way that other governments really do not involved and also engaged at a more face to face level. Right. You can sir. You can meet your supervisor for a Cup of coffee, and that's not unusual or you know, out of out of out of bounds. Right. I mean, you know, meteor congressman well may your Representative that can happen. But you know, it's not the same kind of thing. The other thing the other thing that distinguishes local government is that the issues that are at play that that are being decided have a direct and significant impact on your life. Right. And many of them are very nonpartisan. You know, there's not really a democratic or Republican way to pick up. The garbage local politics are often dominated by people that are activated by certain kinds of issue. You may not care that much about what a lot of what's going on or you just be content with what's going on. But when a when a particular kind of issue comes up that is going to affect you is going to affect your property than people have a place to go. And and and to be hurt. So that's all the positive. Yeah. That's not the whole story. However, right. Local elections are notorious for low turnout, right and often on contest. Right. It's also this this. Just replete with with arcane and complicated language, right? So you go into one of these meetings, and you hear people just throwing around acronyms like tiffs had CDBG and things like that. And it's extremely complicated. And unless you have some kind of. You know, understanding of what's being talked about. It's just impossible to follow. To know what's going on? But you still just can't figure out what's going on. So anyway, I think we've kind of laid out the the pros and cons here that we have this opportunity, and yet doesn't it's very it's very difficult to take advantage of Peter's, nice example of somebody actually who got into local government because of his activists involvement in a particular issue that was affecting the local government and and that led him to run for office. Right. So let's let's bring in Peter and Jenna, and he would say all right. This is Jenna Spinelli here today with Peter Buckland, Peter thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. So we are talking today about local government mostly I think at the the macro level. But I thought it would be helpful to start. If you could give some context to the area that that you represents one of the I don't know if it's a feature or bug. Maybe we'll get to this. But one facet of local government is that different states organized their governments in in different ways. So for folks, not familiar with how things are set up in Pennsylvania. Cute. Tell us we represent and how that structure kind of relates to the larger government countywide statewide etcetera. Sure. So I serve as the chair of the Ferguson township board of supervisors we have five supervisors, and we represent the roughly nineteen to twenty thousand people who live in about fifty square miles west of state college borough, we are sort of semi urban suburban, and then we have a lot a lot of agriculture and forests now we are a township, and we are a home rule township. And so this is already getting really complicated. And we are a municipal government and one of two thousand five hundred sixty municipal governments in Pennsylvania of all different sizes. So you have really big city like Philadelphia, and then you can have a little tiny second class township. Maybe something like loyal Hanna township in Westmoreland county, then there. All those county governments that we relate to in some ways, but they control say so excuse me social services, and we do things like police. Parks transportation. So you're roads. Land development things like that. So the context of your immediate life in Pennsylvania is to a local municipal government. The county does social services. Whatever we do. It cannot supersede the constitution. Obviously, nor the state constitution nor statutory laws of the state or federal government. But there are things that we can do. So that we can be liberated slightly from some state requirements, and that's by creating a home rule charter, and we have one of those in Ferguson township. So supervisor is is an elected position as I right? Yeah. We're sort of like, the mini congress for Ferguson ledger you to get involved in the government. I've been an activist for a long time and primarily on issues of sort of community and environment. And so an issue came up in the township around a land development plan that a lot of people were really upset about. And I was pretty upset about it. And if you wanna get into the details about it we can. But I thought you know, this is really a shame. The people who have been there before have really kind of made a mistake. And I went before that board. And I said this project is a failure. It's already a failure. And we need to learn from it, and I just thought after the prompting of a couple of people I should run. So I did I was unopposed. So I didn't really have to do very much which is kind of too bad. I mean, if you think about it, there should be the competition of ideas and people don't pay attention. And so that not people not enough people paying attention. I should say I, but I was and I just I decided to run I got in and Iran very much with an agenda. I'm totally agenda driven person. And I've been working on it ever since once you've actually got into the position how did it differ from what you thought it would be as an outsider as someone going before the board. I think before I ran. That I. I underestimated the slowness and the deliberate transparency that at least our local and regional government sort of goes through. So the slowness is because all of the processes have to be predictable. They have to be deliberate. They have to follow rules. You just have to do that. And that's because under I mean because the law once local government in Pennsylvania to be accountable and the transparency. You can you can write to know. I've had my emails in right to know requests. And I've seen them from the citizens who have access to them. So the transparency, I think is is pretty remarkable. And so we also have a public access television that monitors most of I mean, all of our boards, but then are planning commissions and some of the the other regional authorities and things like that. So I think that that's really great. And I had definitely underestimated that because when you're running in your like excited, you think these people are trying to get something over on me. I could have actually gotten more information than I had before Iran. So and enter that point about kind of the the Sloan of of things, and how everything has to kind of follow Robert's rules of order and things I think that's maybe some of where that kind of glazing over happen. So you know, when I think about. Local government. I think about you know, property, tax, assessments and feasibility studies. And and things that don't aren't exciting to you know, or it's hard to to keep attention on those those types of things. So from your experience, what are some strategies for one? How people can can find out what their local governments up to and and how how can people from other in other areas? Other local governments kind of keep these these issues front and center, you know, try to make what they do relevant to the constituents at the serve. Sure. An and I think what local government can do. So that people can access it easier. So not just what people at home. But I also wanna speak to some of maybe my fellow elected officials as well. So on the end of it on the citizens side. The the agenda of a meeting. That's public. It is easy to access. I would guess pretty much anywhere in the Commonwealth. So getting those simply looking through what's on the agenda. You can see what they're working on and the stuff that affects your daily life. So it could be, you know, a the possible implementation of the extension of a sewer line into a neighborhood that would affect the rate payers of that authority, for example. That's not sexy. Right. But it could affect your pocketbook. And it could affect how a neighborhood is going to change in the future. Right. That is like people's livelihoods. So if you care about your livelihood, just read the agenda and just the quick stuff in the agenda. The other thing would be meet your official meet the person that you've voted for or maybe you voted against or maybe you didn't even vote, right? Which is a huge problem with locally elections. So try to engage that person because they are your neighbor, and they are deliberating with other people presumably on your behalf most of us aren't monsters. We're doing this because we want to serve the people who elected us and most of us are good faith people. There aren't lots of crooks on the other side. I would. Think that using you know, modern technology social media cetera et cetera. That's something that all local government should be doing simply trying to keep people aware as much as possible. How often do you hear from people, and what types of things do they tell you? So I just wanna say one thing. So on the township or the municipal side, some that we do, and we're we're smaller nineteen to twenty thousand people is we have these every couple of months, we do a coffee and conversation where in different parts of the township. We invite citizens to simply come and talk with people who work at Ferguson township. And we also invite state officials to come like, the local representatives carry bending Hof or Jay Corman, richer Vigne, right because they represent to the state level. So I would encourage townships to do to do that as far as hearing from citizens. It certainly depends on the issue. So that sewage extension. Project that I was just talking about that's not abstract that something happening in a neighborhood in Ferguson township and I have heard from that neighborhood quite a bit and not all the same opinions. But they're in my ward. And so I really need to understand what they're thinking about and trying to muddle through so that I can kind of muddle through with them, and and do the best I can to both represent them. But also, I am my own person. And so, you know, you can get into some, you know, get into push-and-pull with them as well on any number of things. Sure. And coming from as you said, an activist background have there been times when you've had to make a decision where you may be personally didn't didn't agree with, but has defer to the the. Or or you know, what you perceive to be the interest of the people you represent. Okay. So on this land development issue that I was talking about earlier which has gotten a lot of local press. And so people call it. The toll brothers issue there. There were a whole suite of decisions that had already been made by the time. I was elected that really limited. My thority and power to do what I would have really liked to have done which was to say go away. You can't build that. But the land development plan was approved by the time. I was elected the final plan. It was challenged in court. But it was inevitably not heard by the supreme court because of a technicality with the timing of the filing of the lawsuit. At that point. My ability to do very much was incredibly limited including like, the finalisation of a sewage pump station that I would have loved to have been able to say, no, you can't do that. And that I didn't say no on principle. Because we would have lost in court was very disappointing to people who are my regular political allies who it probably would have been really cathartic. If I would have just been like, you know, what? No. But then I we could have ended up in court, and you know. Yeah. This this this Landa Vel minister. I think speaks to maybe some of the the pressures that local governments face. I was I've been reading a lot about the the Foxconn developments in in in Wisconsin. And you know, these these companies in your case a a land of Ella per in. Wisconsin's case a big technology conglomerate coming to these local governments, and with their, you know, bags of money stretch to say, hey, we want to give you we want to bring all this what they describe as economic development to the region to their their polity, but trying to balance that against how residents feel quality of life. And it's those are those are some some tough tough decision. So what what do those types of of of pressures, look like? Well, I think one of the things that that that happens that at all levels of government is that you know, people who are trying to make money. No matter what they're doing. They're gonna they have to work they have to engage the government. They're paid. And so they're paid in essence to engage the government, and that FaceTime that just repeated time in front of you from a land developer, or, you know, representatives of Foxconn or whoever that's that. Like mere that recent that continued recency effect you just get acclimated to working with these people. Whereas citizens most citizens are not as engaged that often. So if you think about what a developer of a toll Reuters project, or you know, any of these large land developments, they regularly engage the planning zoning office. They're they're a fair amount. A regular citizen is not. And so I don't wanna say it's as pernicious as like regulatory capture. But in a way, developers simply by their presence can sort of practically capture a department, and they have like you said bags of money, not all of them have bags money. But the toll brothers are like their fortune five hundred company, they're huge, right? They have armies of lawyers. You know, like, they can they have a lot that they can do and that can overwhelm. Local government like that you think about what almost happened with Nestle here last year that I mean, there were a lot of people who me included who were really worried about their ability to simply overwhelm a township and its water authority. A lot of times issues. People might not find out about them until there's a reporter from the local press out covering a meeting, which you guys might be taking an action to make a final vote or final decision on something what can local governments to try to get these issues out in front of people earlier. So they can be more informed, and you'll maybe communicate if they have have feelings about you know, what's what's going on? I think that there are three possible. I don't know if their strategies. Yeah. There are three there are three things that folks could do individuals like I said earlier should pay attention to gender because if something is if you care about where you live the governing body of where you live, you should be paying attention to it. 'cause it can very quickly change something about your life. Okay. So that's one. So being ahead of the game can save you a lot of headache later. It is not all on an individual. It's not all on citizens back. So second thing is that like I said earlier the township or city or whoever should very very deliberately let people know what's coming do as much as they can to publicize and be transparent about pending decisions. And the third thing is that. Local media in this country is not doing what it needs to do. It is often the mole activist who sort of makes a giant seen when it shouldn't have to be that way. It should be. That media is doing what it ought to do and letting people know that would then also require citizens to be paying attention to local media, which they are often not because they're screaming at each other about a federal government shutdown or you know, who Clemson versus Alabama or something like that. So that it's a really interconnected problem. So and it's all about paying attention and being clear. Yeah, there there is definitely this kind of spiraled between just just as you suggested, you know, people don't pay attention to local media. So the media doesn't have as many, you know report. Irs and thanks to go out and cover things like you know, what you do. We've talked about it on this show before I don't think anybody's really feared out how to solve that one just yet. But this is definitely another angle of that of that problem, and I don't. I sort of really don't like the word solution. It's not a math problem. Human beings are not numbers that you plug into arithmetic or, you know, a calculus equation or something like that. It just doesn't work that way were messy. And and so it's like it's about diligence and persistence and and and trying to use good judgment. I know there. There's also ways that local governments can have influence over national or larger international type of issues. Can you talk about what Ferguson township has done regarding climate change? Yeah. I would love to this is like my favorite thing to talk about. When well when I was elected, I resolved to myself that I was going to get my board to do something about climate change, preferably something very ambitious when it became clear that Donald Trump was going to withdraw the United States from the Paris agreement that, you know, one hundred ninety countries had agreed to. I I was actually immediately contacted by a bunch of citizens of Ferguson township saying what are we going to do? And I was like I know what we're gonna do. And I had worked with a man named Don Brown who's on the faculty at Widener university. And he's a he had been a mentor of mine worked for the Clinton administration was at DP. He he, and he had authored, and we had an I had quasi co authored a resolution for him with him not for him with him on climate change that would affect us sort of state level group. I took that and I adapted it for our township couching it in terms of article one section twenty seven of the Pennsylvania constitution, which is the green amendments. Wonderful and our home rule charter, which has it community and environmental Bill of rights that guarantees guarantees a sustainable energy future. And I said we need to have. Net zero greenhouse gas emissions goal by twenty fifty. It is our responsibility to do that. It is also our responsibility to do it in a fair economically feasible transparent way, we need to cooperate and we need to get a process going that gets us to that goal. So we formed a committee because that's what governments do right? And the first thing that happens from that is a greenhouse gas inventory. What's being emitted within Ferguson township we've gotten the preliminary draft of that. But we're also working on other things like a solar-powered public works building a source water protection overlay district, and this is like boring government language, but it's basically we are one of the headwaters of the Chesapeake Bay and so- inundation from more intense storms or in record wet year. Like. Hours this year six over sixty four inches of rain. It's crazy. Those that's going to go up and the droughts will also go down. So we have to respond to that with infrastructure. We had this piece in the Washington Post recently that I wrote with brandy Robinson and this little town. It's not that little I guess glens falls New York, the editor of their paper wrote this thing like we could be the next Ferguson township. And I thought that is like the coolest thing ever. That's that's exactly what we want. We want to inspire other small places because all of those small places add up to a lot of people, right? And a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. And I guess to to that point. I think it's easy for for cynic to say. Oh, yeah. You guys are just one community of of twenty five thousand people does it really matter. Is it going to you know, it does it matters hugely because? If you have you can have one individual person, who's like, I'm a vegan who buys, you know, renewable energy, and I ride a bike, and my car is an electric car and it cetera et cetera. And so I've shrunk my footprint. Well, that's just one person. Now, if you have a township that is able to structure things so that more people, maybe not be vegans. But whatever, you know, if you can assist in reducing the greenhouse gas emissions of all of the individual people within your municipality. That's good. And if you have five hundred of those places doing that then and there the size of our township. You have five hundred times twenty thousand what you end up with a million people. Right. That's a million people. And if you get a city who who does that or a state, that's how that happens that diffusion of policy ideas going around inspires people and well, inspires governments. And we reshape the context of our lives, and hopefully all of it through the democratic process is that we've set up right? So. Speaking of democratic processes, did you take it take any convincing to get your fellow supervisors on board with with this idea. So that resolution passed four to one. The lone dissenter is no longer on the board. And you know, she was I think ideologically just sort of opposed to it. And also said this is a national issue, and we shouldn't be dealing with national issues, which I think is really kind of interesting. So I was like have you noticed the storm water issues that we're facing we have to handle that we handle stormwater the other three on the board were open to it. I think one of them might might have been a little bit hesitant about it simply because of the potential ideological backlash that we might get. But didn't matter. So did you get that that ideological backlash there? There was a letter to the editor to say, this is stupid, and you can't you can't control methane emissions from cattle. And it's like. Anyway, it's sort of that doesn't matter and not that that citizens voice doesn't matter. But it the argument is isn't really what we needed to to deal with Sherry, how did you or how do you kind of learn all of these these things that you you have to know in order to make these informed decisions. Well, it's a it's a combination of having good training. So the regional government trains you in all of the sort of different things that it does and makes these sort of lunch and learns available so that's one thing. So that's set up for you as a as an official, and when we came on the board, the manager of the township did a sort of training session with us to take us through the home rule. Charter to take us, you know, through the code of ordinances to get us at least nominally acquainted with the sprawling. Missile planning code and things like that from there. It's on you to choose what you're going to do. And so for me, it it was learning zoning, right? And I don't have all the owning memorized. But it's like, okay. What what is this because this abstract boring thing full of acronyms, but you have to do it. And then you just sort of start doing it and early on you ask a lot of questions, and you always ask a lot of questions. And then it's like one day you wake up and you go, oh, I understand the structure of this thing. And how it works that first year is like, you know, that that's like you're climbing wall for a while before it, you know, it kind of levels out. So what what's your pitch for for? Why people should want to do? This local government is really where one person or very small group of people. Can make a tremendous difference. And if you care about where you live and you want to. Improve the quality of life for yourself and your neighbors. And you think that someone needs to do that? That person might be you. And you know, if you've had that moment where? You know? I mean, I've I've had this where you maybe I shouldn't admit this. But you get so angry about something that happened new start shaking, and you just think someone has to do something about this that person very well might be you is time consuming and some of it's pretty hard and in some municipalities, you don't get paid. We get paid very very little. But it is really really rewarding. And when you do something good for people. They thank you. They do and they yell at you a bunch too. But they think you because it matters to them because you've done something. That is good for them that they will be able to see touch feel, and that's just awesome. Right. Well, if that doesn't get people all around the country running to sign up or to you know, running their their next their next primary. I don't know what. Well, that's pretty good pitch. Oh, thank you. So we're going to end has we always do with our four mood of the nation poll questions so Peter thinking specifically about American politics. What makes you angry disinformation? What makes you proud? So there are some young people who make me very proud. And I'll use various Pacific example, I do work at at Penn State and my intern right now Clare has been working with a local school local elementary school. That is undergoing a renovation for what is lead the leadership in energy and environmental design, and she's an education in public policy student who's been working with the teachers administrators the physical plant to architects. So that the change in that school, which will include solar photovoltaic panels on the roof and this cool rain garden, so that those features can be included in the education of those students and Claire is engaged both in something that she wants to do professionally. But then she's also it's it is. Sit it is citizen action, and she's engaged in the processes of public institution and its democratic input processes, and like that's great. And and maybe maybe years, we'll have clear on the show to talk about all the all the great thing she'll go onto do. And she do awesome things. What makes you worry? I think that the really distrustful heated rhetoric in the US right now is really makes me worry a lot the way that people won't listen to each other. And frankly, just the sort of by by some people, and I'll say especially on the right is so conspiratorial and crazy and loaded with addicted to disinformation. It's awful, it's corrosive. And then finally what gives you hope small groups of compassionate. Passionate. Well, informed people. Peter. Thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your perspective on local government. Thank you very much for having me. We're back and thank you for for that interview, and Peter like, I often find with many of our locally elected officials is you know, intelligent, and thoughtful, and it was really an SAT here from and genuinely a public service, and generally a public giving lots of time on a range of issues mundane and not so mundane, I I I was particularly interested in this in what he had to say about climate change. And the fact that Ferguson township passed this resolution about climate change and other communities have done this as well. Because I think it's it. It's on the one hand it's easy to be cynical. Yeah. About something like that. For me, especially for Chris and well for me too. And I mean and also because you know, you often don't think of local governments or even state governments as being very effective venues for dealing with environmental issues because environmental issues have all kinds of extra analogy. Right. And you know, Ferguson township can regulating missions as much as it wants. And they're still going to transfer over to state college or neighboring neighboring townships, and that's often the argument that's made for why environmental the national national level. China's doing when it's doing right, right. They've made it the national level to on the other hand, you know, I think that the the climate change what what went on climate change. And Ferguson township offers people away of becoming involved and stain stain attached. And staying committed to an issue that's important to them. And that actually the the. That Ferguson township does something like that may have feedback effects on people within the community to that lead them to become maybe either more opposed or more in favor of the force them to think about it force them to know. I mean, I thought he made a really good case. I actually did, you know have this notion that this is like, you know, nuclear-free-zones sanctuary cities that it was more sanctuary cities cat actual real it has especially offense for people bows. You know, conservatives have some legitimate arguments against them that they're protecting people that that federal authorities are going after and and others can argue they're offering true sanctuary. By granted, however, that we're all there's also communities where it is merely a something to say and doesn't have any impact, you know, policy wise whatsoever. But and I remember state college years ago, whereas performing symbolic gay marriages. Yeah. That had no actual standing court. But, but I think it changes, I think it has an effect on public opinion. Right. Over time little by little it, it it does as you say create a and cysts on your this citizens to to reflect on this and think about it and say is this what I want my tax money spent for why do I do? Why should we do this? Oh, I see. So maybe we can have an impact. And and it it constrains policymakers to continue the conversation. And also remember that local governments are the area that are most affected by the idea that people can foc- with their feet, and so people can say, oh, this is the kind of community I wanna live. They have they're expressing these values. This kind of community. I really don't wanna live in because they're expressing these sorts of you see that all I mean, this kind of the great sword the big sort I should say where. Yeah. Even within, you know, large metropol-. Areas, they're sorting BI partisan identity or or or what have you? Well, even before we were thinking of the big sewer. We did think in terms of people moving to moving to areas that had a say a package of taxes and services that suited what they were suited with. They were interest. Right. Right. Right. Well, in any case, I think it is a a a legitimate engagement of policy at the local level to to to to raise the profile this issue, and to offer a model of what policy can you know, what a local elected official can do to to make an impact and for people to get involved and to cut their teeth on any often. And and where that might go. You don't you don't know. But it's you know, it's increasingly difficult. It seems to me to be involved at the federal level other than an election and. What's townhall? Right. They don't even do town halls anymore. Most members of congress, and is so they're increasingly out of touch of people the four people, and this does offer way for people to get involved in you know, it's hard to get involved. And it can be scary to get involved. And there is something to be said for local government as a place to get started. And to learn, hey, I have a voice, and I can I can practice my voice. And again, I think the point you made at the beginning is, you know. These people are not in it for the money. These people see this as a way of contributing to the wellbeing and the and the the the common wheel of their community. And that really is an admirable thing that we that. We don't we don't I I appreciate the Peter said he gets thanked. I bet a lot of people would say they got a lot more complaints than they do. Thank you. But it's worth pointing out that these are genuine public servants, and we all are in their debt. Well, thank you to Peter. Yeah. And to all our local officials of all our local officials were got a positive who are who are doing the hard work of tomato. Hard-working democracy Hayman from democracy works on Michael, I'm crispy thank you very much for listening. Democracy. Works is produced by the Courtney institute for democracy at Penn State and WPN issue. Penn State, our hosts are Michael Berkman, Krispy, Kreme and me Jenna Spinelli Andy grant is our engineer and Mark stetzer is our editor. 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388 - A Perfectly Frumulent Episode (1/28/20)

Chapo Trap House

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388 - A Perfectly Frumulent Episode (1/28/20)

"Hello everyone welcome to the beginning of the show. We're going to start today with some plugs because we've got a lot going on. We are going on tour eminently starting tomorrow. Few of US are leaving the city but this Saturday February first we will be an Iowa City at the England civic theatre on February ninth dairy New Hampshire at the Tupelo Music Hall on February Eighteenth. We're going to be in Las Vegas Nevada Vegas baby as call of Blues Las Vegas On the Strip in the House of Blues. That's going to be a great one Sushi. Come of course February Twenty Third San Diego California Observatory North North Park. My Mom will be at that show. Come and say hi to my mom. Every yes Los Angeles California February twenty fifth two shows. I believe late late night is sold out show. Unless you're a celebrity absolutely no Airbnb uh-huh Early Show Still tickets available. I don't WanNa promise anything. But I do want to promise that show we'll be a cavalcade of stars Sacramento California California the ace of spades. The Ace of space are known as the vagelos called. That's on February twenty eighth and February twenty-ninth finishing up in San Francisco California at the Palace of Fine Arts. All these dates are on Chapo Trap House Dot com slash tore. I sure hope I meet cake. When we'RE SACRAMENTO? There are probably just hanging out hanging out they have like little staples residency every Monday night at the shop. But I have another plug. We have a youtube you to page YouTube dot com slash Chapo Trap House. There's a ton of stuff. There clips full episodes are slowly working on getting every free free fool fool episode up on Youtube a ton of best of clips. We try to keep it up to date with the best clips from the most recent episodes. I have a really great grey wolf new father out in Iowa Iowa. I've been working with WHO has been helping us. Run the back end of that page. We're doing really well. We're creeping up on forty thousand subscribers. But here's the thing I want you to do is go to that page. PAGE YOUTUBE DOT com slash trap trap house and smashed subscribe button. I don't care if you watch any videos. I don't care if you've never go back to youtube again. But if we get one hundred thousand thousand subscribers on our youtube page youtube will send me a trophy personally and I want that trophy. I want that little little silver play play button. I WANNA put it above my bed and look at it every night before I go to sleep. Please help get me that trophy yet. Chris Trophy folks has asked for nothing from you people. I've never gotten a trophy. Okay and I want a trophy and also one hundred thousand youtube subscribers. I promise to become a youtube got record from the front seat of my car. I will talk a a lot about his waist to hip ratio of comic book. Women now get care about video games a lot. So he faced abby. Oh it's coming a on boxing videos coming Yeah if we get one hundred thousand subscribers I pledge to make all of them leave by posting cringe and they will come to Chris's house take away his trophies. No you can never you can have when you Priok Molin Lobby motherfucker. Anyway Gimme that trophy. A hundred thousand subscribers youtube dot com slash Chris Detroit Hashtag trophy dot com slash. Chapo Trap House now the real show it. Okay well as Christina Jew in in the preamble this is this is our last show. Before we deploy tactically. We've deployed tactically to the theater of battle adult. Yes we are going to Iowa tomorrow. We are one week away from the first votes being cast. Oh how time flies does it hasn't felt like every day lasts in the turn of the next time you hear this. Donald Trump may have lost election to Bernie Sanders in Iowa. Thursday's vote honestly. That's not far off it's possible it's possible But okay so in in light of that we're about to go to war are and I know many of you. Our listeners are have already been deployed. You grab your deployed strategically to New Hampshire to Iowa. You've been knocking on doors. You've been make Paul's you've been texting you've been putting in the work you've been making it rain on the campaign or boy so it's all it's all about to get real so going going into to battle. I'd like to begin today's episode with a sort of a a meditation. Meditation that I'd like us and all of you to like ruminate eight on hold with you in the week to come. The way of the samurais founded death meditation on inevitable. Death should be performed daily every day. Ed when one's body and mind are at peace when should meditate on being ripped apart by arrows rifles spears and swords being carried away by surging waves being thrown into the midst of a great fire being struck by lightning being shaken to death by a great earthquake falling from thousand foot cliffs dying of disease or committing Seppuku at the death. The master and every day without Phil when she consider himself as dead. This is the substance of the way of the Samurai that Liz. Oh No I love about this is is this is finally the chats like people are putting so much work. We're talking about tax. We're talking about donations. We're talking about canvassing but most importantly enough of course we're talking about online harass. Yes yes so much so many. It's been four years of non-stop fucking I'm on. I'm sure during the depths of a binge where you're posting hosting a big pook balls near Tan for the fifty th straight time to try to get her to block you you're feeling like maybe this is worthless but honestly think of all that time as mining for bitcoin right right. That's your computer money for pickling and now Iowa caucus it is time to turn that mind bitcoin into the dark web Fenton Hill of electoral success. Let's do it the things that have made you a failure in your life your loud monotone voice your insistence to just argue about things. Things were no one wants to argue your propensity to wander into schools and screen. This will all lead to victory in the Iowa caucuses. Were all these. These traits are rewarded. Feel feel very comfortable in the Caucasus. Go because you look. Are you implying that I'm a white white man. He's just look like one of the brothers. We know why cheekbones and I do believe in the north I do believe that I am a descendant of Genghis Khan and I will. I also believe an alternative history model. Where the step is located in Iowa very special tour those step step boilers they? Got Around they really. Did a straw stirred the drink of early modern civilization and argue the sloppy saftey. Well no I think I'm the third SAFTEY but we're also all your Caz ours. Yeah we're all descendants of Genghis Khan and we will be returning to gang cons homeland of Des Moines Iowa. Well and you know per Genghis Khan will also be taking all the other candidates and their supporters and measuring them against the wagon wheel. Oh God well I think amy. Clovis Shar is a direct descendant of tamburlaine correct. Yeah well I don't know I don't know how you feel guys but I feel like it's the big game coming up and I literally we're GonNa Watch the Super Bowl like the day before the Fucker Caucus It's just the the big game is I feel like you know. Our team has been been training training. We've been practicing. I feel like we have the best players the best coach at the killers. He the best kill is the best organization. But I just feel like there's a nervous energy. Yeah I think we're all feeling and I stay static electricity. I just wanted to be over. But it's just the it's the anticipation of ood of tasted the vacuum. I can taste it Obviously everyone's a little bit. Everyone started walking on a razor blade. Right now. That ever Suppo- I was. I had to get talked out. I was was to horned up. They had Rabi Down with Biden. Come back the second play himself in the head turnover again. I've had to be sewn back into my head after bulging out of their stocks so so much my throat shredded shredded. But like any like any good team you know. I think. I think we go into this expecting to win but but also like with a gotTa be ready for anything realistic understanding outstanding of that. You know once once you use up your cleats every plan and when you get hit in the mouth yes no no. No battle plan survives contact with the back so we are about to make make contact with the enemy and when they are making contact with us as I said our last episode boy. They're starting to starting unrealized sweat. A little bit get real for too bad boys two frantically around Martin Lawrence after he finds out that his sister is kidnapped to Cuba. The ship got real Johnny Tapia. He's alleged so a communist legend. We don't know how much of that money was going to fund social social programs in Cuba. Michael Bay hearing aids like thinking about that. What if trump can't be? It was like taking money from rich Miami Club kids and directly transferred to Cuba the state to do hospitals and ship. He's literally a revolutionary hero. They're developing a new condom to replace cheese on pizza. Am I the only one who remembers that legendary posted. Oh you remember it yeah. Someone opposed that was like all you people all you people Glorifying Castro and Cuba. Did you know in Cuba. The can't even afford cheese. And they put condoms uh-huh on what's up. Well we're all walking along that razor energies Reggie's in the air. Everyone's feeling nervous. There's a nervous wreck before a big storm. Exactly and if you're feeling at the good news is the enemy is certainly only feeling it too and I I said I predicted this week this last week leading up especially in light of some of these polls coming out of Iowa you're going to see a singularity by the particularly among Warren supporters who are going to vote for Biden after she drops out right look and they don't want to pivot but they know it's coming. They're looking for any reason any anyway. Traffic on to Joe Rogan is is the latest one. Well we could talk about that. I WanNa say that we can talk about that in a little bit but I just want to give you guys a all. The articles are coming. And wouldn't you know what they're exactly the same as the ones you read last week and for years ago ago so I want to start out with probably the most delicious of them today. This comes courtesy of politico headline. This is This is just an article came came out just today headline they let him get away with murder dance. Tormented over how to stop Bernie establishment is caught in a catch edge twenty two sounds hyperbolic remember. His wife. Did murder that college. Yeah they just had the remains of college the entire dining hall under the foundation foundation in the backyard with the car them. This is by Natasha correctly. We're like the TASHA Ronnie incorrectly. But okay that's better And we do punch-ups okay. What if it was Natasha? Karesh the truth. David crushes daughter. But I hear you have a winner. Here we go with Bernie Sanders gaining steam a week. Before the Iowa caucuses tormented Democrats Kratz our second guessing. What they say was a hands off strategy against the Vermont Senator Twenty Twenty primary? They fucked up again. I believe the DNC fucked up. They fear a repeat of two thousand. Sixteen ecksteen is in the making when mainstream Republicans scoffed at the idea that Donald trump could ever win the nomination until he became unstoppable. Only this time from the left the Republican money people were laughing at trump when he came down the escalator and they kept laughing at him for way too long until holy crap. He's winning primaries Matt. Bennett co-founder under Third Way. So that Bennett said he's attempted for weeks to find an organized effort to combat sanders rise so far to no avail. Oh what I fear. Fear is one will emerge too late. What has happened with trump and honestly it's too late now? I think I think they already miss their window. Many Democrats let's say they respect the support behind sanders. But Fury self-described Democratic Socialists would cede must-win battlegrounds trump or swing state voters have a higher concentration concentration of swing voters in swing states have a higher concentration of swing voters. We need a nominee who draws them. Yes correct wow swing voters Are they are not moderate. They are lunatic. They have the typical American crazy quilt. A beliefs all contradict each other. I never thought about for more than five minutes. And that's why they swing again. We have to like also acknowledge the fact that that is normal and Mir weird absolutely right way. Most people people respond to politics and it has nothing to do with a consistent ideology one way or the other is about what you care about when you step in the voting booth. What is your paramount? Issue in different candidates get aroused. Different One's in you and it has nothing to do with party. That's why they bounce back and forth people who say they're moderates are conservatives who just want flatter themselves yet people swing vote vote doesn't mean necessarily that they they're swing between whether they care about the deficit or kitchen table issues swinging between like well. You know oh a vote for Clinton it's unfortunately vote for the British Royal Fan but also ask your. I didn't vote because that was the year that they used all your DNA all your in your DNA fragments from the voting booth critic clone of place you. That's this week. I would say that those people also sometimes refer read it themselves as moderate in fact they are Adecco obsolete. They think they are at this. Describe them you can't America. You cannot allow people to self-described there. Politics here who this quote is attributed to swing states have a higher concentration of swing voters. We need a nominee who draws them to the Democratic Column said Rahm Emanuel. I I staff to bother getting mad at the actual arguments just pointed. WHO's making them? And you make the argument itself and manual continues here. Sanders theory like trump's for the right is based on the notion of a higher turnout of infrequent voters sanders. That theory. He kind of works. You one what what is the what if there was what. If this forefinger Creighton had an opportunity to work in the White House it was because someone one on the model of activating infrequent been crazy ray nuts oh sanders is in in a strong position based on recent polls to win Iowa and then New Hampshire a one two punch in the first steps. That could make him hard to stop. Joe Biden's firewall has popularity among African Americans in South Carolina and other southern states would face a severe test but the democratic establishment is caught in a catch twenty two attack sanders and risk galvanizing Kevin Icing his supporters and turning him into a murder of the far less more. Leave him alone and watch him. Continue to gather. That's all you got. Well they did try the second thing forever like leaving him out of twenty nine thousand ignore mental go away. They're panicking now because they do this articles right that they do have to have a different strategy but honestly honestly they might have waited too long. They're bind unfolded in plain sight last week. When Hillary Clinton complained that nobody likes sanders and wouldn't initially commit to backing him if the Charismatic Hillary Clinton but we talked about that that that the Clinton saying nobody likes him? But I totally forgot to mention that senator's response to that when he said on what a good day my wife was just the Pearl of David cut lay. Yeah Oh yeah what about. It was the perfect contrast. Arianna Guerande mean you'd never rises to the bait on that ship Yeah cool were goes. She later clarified that she would do show Clinton suffered a backlash in Sanders has only only gained strength in recent is that's largely why Bennett's push for organized opposition to Sanders isn't gaining traction. We're not wanting to put our finger on the scale in any need to kind of way said a board member of pro. Never do that. Please don't look at those. DNC emails at all. We're not wanting to put our finger on the scale in any way said at a board member of priorities. USA DEMOCRATS LARGEST SUPERPAC by the way talking about putting their finger on the scale. We're all feeling good but check out who they've just changed the denominated they've nominated Nevada's clearly there. I like bid to control the profit. DNC VESTA including John Podesta. So they've nominated and Tom Perez but now put up a bunch of his cronies to be on the what is it. The the Perez was the CEO of Butler Neko wish kid real parties doing committees within the DNC. The convention. Well the sad thing is like Tom. Perez nominated them But they have to elect them because he is dying. He does Lynch. Can you can you. CAN WE WANNA put a daisy cutter daisy cutter munition on on the electoral board. And they have to because it just sounds like it sounds like his lair. Knicks is been irradiated radiated for twenty years straight. All I can say is that I pity the cheese pizzas of a walkie. Wisconsin this summer. Watch okay well there. They say if out there they're they're they're clearly preparing for a broker conversion for sure. Honestly I was giving this out earlier. Like Bernie could win outright. I don't think any of the other ones I can win outright. I don't think they get the boats. I think there's more likelihood that they get it through broker convention and get into a second ballot that they are rallying around and AH concentrating around one anti-burn person who wins out right in the actual primary but that's the that's the game and they are. They are going did she. So we have to say that is the real dangerous if they get into the fucking convention they get it to a second vote that they call in the riders of Rohan the fucking Super delegates to just squash the whole thing. Well let's lesson here. If they did that they would break the party at half there. It would be thousands of Bernie delegates in that room who would block out. It would be nineteen sixty eight all over again and I'm not saying that that would necessarily lead to some revolt of the fuck it delegates or something. They take over the party by violence nineteen seventeen. I mean the the Democratic Party would be like the fucking wigs before the civil war and that might be too. They might be too scared to risk that even even though they're panicking about Bernie. That might be the thing that I'm scared of more than him. Maybe if that's all they figure if they're more scared of that than they might not be able to even try it. It depends but the lesson here is it ain't close you can't steal it absolutely and he can. He's the only one who can Bernie can fucking make Super Tuesday into coronation and get over the threshold. By the time we get to New York possible and so much of it is about confidence. Yeah that's that's that's really what a lot of people's reticence about learning where they're not any rightfully. They're like they're like they're not going to let him win. Dying fits it's yeah we're talking to vote. That's the thing people can his favorability. People are dying to vote for Bernie but they've been conditioned by the Democratic Party to expect nothing they have internalized. They're afraid eighteen again propaganda exactly and so they're like I don't WanNa get hurt again. I don't WanNa get hurt again. It's like fucking Ro Robin Williams. It's not your fault it's not you. Oh shut up no. It's not. You felt well finally just brakes and hugs him waiting to hear. It's not your fault one more time. And if Bernie starts winning primaries and Mr electability ability who's literally just admitting now I suck but I can win Loses cases made. We don't have to worry about breaking out of the bubble. The cases made by history. I'm really GonNa Miss Joe Biden like a lot. He's a lot of biggest loss. Goes honestly the only guy the only person any entertaining at all. I think I think what we should do is just not tell him who wins and let them keep going. Yeah Yeah 'cause like he's he's having a good time we can have little. We could set up little stage for. It'll be good bye Lenin. I'm serious question. Do they ever disassemble. The West Wing Set Ohio. Castillo word Hollywood because you could literally just say Joe Tomorrow you can wake up and say Joe you one take to the White House and you're set. He'll sit there hillside bills. He'll talk to the bathroom. He'll be cardboard cutouts. It'll be like Rupert Pumpkin Indus Basement and the comedy that Oh that's my dream to be Joe's like fake achieve of staff in the West Wing said I want to spend the next ice cream that would make me so happy. That'd be the greatest moment of my life. Hunter Hunter trying to like cut deals with as he thinks her ambassador. He's I would love to do this going on here. It says your Standards struggled to break out polls for months since one thousand nine hundred is fellow progressive. Elizabeth Warren mounted a strong campaign but were regressed after she was besieged with questions. So how she would pay for Medicare for all progress. Because her heartbeat kool-aid Ironically Sanders signature issue but over which he had not been pressed for similar specifics critic critic said last week he again gave a vague answer about it's cost. CBS's neuro donal again. This is why Bernie is smart and Liz. Warren is done all saying oh he's not going to get into Pacific cost. Hello pay for it. That is a sucker move. That's you're begging. You're getting the prior patch. Nobody fucking talks about these things. Are you going to account for seventy years in the future. We'll see the books for this. You think when they wanted to start the Iraq war there everyone was like. Oh I can do that. No Sanders says. Here's the plan. Here's where I believe we can do it. We're going to do it. Do you think the deal was pitched on specific fucking things. The entire thing was created on the fly once they were in power exactly. There was no. Oh specifics to the new deal. It was literally just shits fucked up and we are going to fix it. Bennett blamed the media for not holding sanders to the same standard as Warren. They let him get away with murder. He said let him bluster pass hard questions again by saying like they let him get away with murder means he didn't play by the artificial rules. That we have You you know Info we enforce on everyone else. Expect them to play by. He's realized that that's a fucking mugs game. And he's refusing to play fair like we all supposedly Salih want you. It's not fair jumped over the trap door that we had there warren. Walk Right over it. He's he's cheating because here jumping ahead a little bit here says rafter polls out this weekend sanders leading or in second place in Iowa Vine with Biden for the top spot the enthusiasm for Sanders on display in Iowa on Sunday when a hundred eleven seven hundred people according to his campaign turned out to a rally and Sioux city hosted by Okaz. Yo Cortez and Michael Moore. He's in a position to an Iowa and New Hampshire at this point. Said Ben Lebowe Bolts Obama's Obama's former national press secretary. Now's the moment were weak out from Iowa. It might be too late for some states already but it's not too late for the nomination La- Bolt said Sanders competitor. I should've hit him harder on the debate. Stage on the campaign trail bank bottom argued. There's less of a risk going negative now than the field now that the field has narrowed to four or five viable candidates in Iowa in New Hampshire. He added there should be more. There should be a paid media strategy. That would challenge him. Who should do that? I don't have the answer for that. Democrats face the same trick box. That Republicans face in two thousand sixteen attacking Sanders. Only Jin's up his already enthusiastic base. We're not changing our game plan. Abide an associate familiar with the campaign strategy. Gratitude said we don't feel a need to attack Bernier anyone else also. He can't really handle any new information. Serious question doesn't that don't the quotes in that sound like like campaign strategist drumming up demand for their product. Like they're literally saying well. Somebody should really somebody. Somebody should pay somebody. It's not a strategy on. Somebody needs to get serious about this. Some people who do work like this such. I don't know me and all my friends. Yeah it's consultancy insult lables argued that trump is pushing for sanders to win pointing to a recent tweet from the president alleging that the Democratic Party was rigging the election against Bernie Sanders. Here's what I love about this. This is all happening in the shadow of the impeachment. Saga that we've all roundly agreed to learn ignore boring boring. Here's the thing though. All of these people were obsessed with it washing. MSNBC every single hour of the day doing new tweet threads new bombshells breaking every day a new affronts to the republic. Oh my God. Is John Bolton going to testify now. It seems to me over the past week. There's one bit of effeminate. Come out of this that none of them have made a tweet thread about or taken any not at all which is the recording of Donald Trump in private talking about Bernie would have kicked his ass. Clinton's vice president. He said he he was worried that he just beyond the ticket could have been enough to cost four and honestly it might have been especially because like any of the working class support. That trump got was on the basis of of jobs. Yep He's a job at trade guy like I was. I've taught better than him. Of course but it would have been would have been harder to have a contrast and and like so when when trump does that he likes to looks like the DNC stealing it from crazy. He's doing it. Assuming Bernie will lose and that that will alienate Bernie supporters supporters from voting for the eventual candidate. But guess what. If Bernie wins all of those tweets blop at his face. Because it's like yeah this guy you say is is pretty kind of good. He's now fucking actually the guy with the nomination to run against them. You can't run against the crooked. DNC because they literally fought against him. Beat them okay. So that was that. Was that article. The people just like you know somebody needs to do something. We don't know what the other interesting thing with. This is like they are this song for them. This is like would you like to play. It was signing off their hand or foot at this and the thing is in throughout all twenty nineteen right strategy was ignore him and we made fun of forever forever like just pulls that he was leading that they were just like you know they just didn't show his face have polls where Bernie was like a point up he would have like twenty. Three Three Bible went up twenty two and they would just flip the bars and it would say the right ones but bite would be top of they would just change the rules of presenting big information because Bernie was on top. But here's the problem though. They thought they were going to just ignore him. Because here's the problem with that though. Every other candidate ended it including the Warren the other person running in the Progressive Lane her but especially like everyone else to basically all said at the get go that that his 2016 plan for his twenty sixteen platform they were more or less all on board with So what are they gonNA attack them on now now policy gets you that. Because they're setting earning their own throat. So what are they gonNA attack on. Well you know the answer to that is Bernie Bros.. It's sexism Joe Rogan which is lending with the velocity of a big wet chart in your underwear. It's really true it's like fucking he's like George Reeves just bullets bouncing off of them. So but here that that-that article set up like what are what are worried. Democrats going to do about this. Who's WHO's GonNa Attack Bernie Sanders courtesy the daily beast just this afternoon worried? Democratic operative scrambled to fund a network to take down Bernie Sanders. This is under the little. This is under the vertical called a little more aggressive a group of loosely affiliated democratic operatives have been in discussions about putting together an attack an effort to attack Senator Bernie Sanders. Should he end up winning next week's Iowa caucus and potentially only the New Hampshire primary a week later the talks which sources described the daily beast. Were in their nascent stages but have already hit a snag big money. Democrats have shown reluctance and set funding such an effort. which would consist of ads? Attacking Sanders and institutions associated with democratic. Politics have largely shied away from being part of any campaign that goes after the senator either out of fear of the back over the backlash or growing acceptance at the prospect of him. Becoming the party's nominee. It's not any one group of people trying to build the Anti Sanders. Effort said one of the Democratic sources. It is a loose network of people who think he would be very problematic as a nominee there is at this stage calls to in conversations with donors and organizations that might support such an effort. But as far as I can tell nobody has found sufficient financial support to get it off the ground. I like it. They like we would like to do a UH conspiracy of sabotage of left populist candidate but we are too incompetent also monies open this milk for us this is funny. According to FCC records the sum total of reported independent expenditures exposed opposing Bernie Sanders directly and by name was just thirty. Two dollars dollars and seventy two cents as of Monday things coming. y'All go walk space. Big things coming new stop sanders shirts coming out sometime in August uh-huh yeah we're getting into drop shipping we've got we've got all the just follow. Follow this instagram account. That has zero followers. There's right now we're going to be putting all the Stop Bernie merge right there I gotta drop Shipping Merge Contact in China right. Now let's do it all that thirty two dollars and seventy two cents that was spent by club for growth. What how do you spend thirty dollars? Is that just like just like did they miss a decimal or is it just just like the web hosting domain. They think they did. That's the cost is one hundred flyers put on people's windshields to make a hit hit to make a big print out that says like one bad senator. Put it over like the main street in Burlington. So yeah that may very very well change. In the coming days the organization Democratic majority for Israel. Let's go just run by pollster. Marty Melman no sorry mark moment okay. Detroit the Hanukkah Torah is buying tens of thousands of dollars airtime in Iowa according to documents filed with the Federal Communications Commission on Monday. Not Not anymore. No Melman was quoted as saying twenty. Twenty it's going to be my year like Israel anymore. Though neither men nor his organization I mean the thing is. There's not enough. They don't care enough about it to move the policy but like just personally. They don't like people unless you're snake handling southern psychopathic evangelical. Who wants to? Do you know doom level in our win when the rapture happens you. Don't give a shit or you think Israel right right. The only people people left in America who actively gives you about Israel or like yeah people who have raised their truck thirty six feet off the frame and and people who have to go on Tucker Carlson to reiterate that they're not a pedophile. Those are like the only two groups that are really like the Ted Haggard Vote basically this is. This is my new book That's actually my niece. And I was taking her to dinner. Thank you for. Having allegedly parody parody even members of Biden's official campaign suggests that his sharper contrast may be drawn between the candidates. Soon you have it by looks shitty in comparison to one is one is a socialist. One is not said. Dick Harp said Dick Harpootlian lutely in this former South Carolina. It comes from a long line of Armenian whalers. Yeah but I couldn't do it. Quick Gun in the quickest gun in Queens car or Putin the former State party chair and member of Biden's National Finance Committee at the Democratic Party believes nominating. A socialist is the way to win in November. They need to start drug testing at the National Committee. If Roy by the way as a policy I'm like Hey Eurovan come yet your man. If it were up to me I would be a little more aggressive said Harpootlian addressing the question about post Iowa Pasta Al.. This is funny. I'm sorry. Get a real wake-up Correo name in certain circles. However there is confusion and fear that the nomination process has gotten to this juncture with little pushback against Sanders at all? The reasons for that vary but among operatives on competing campaigns. The main explanation is that few if any saw utility in going after the senator at all read between the lines. Too scared scared yeah. They also thought he would win. They have internalized every element of the ideology and one of them. The America is a vast ocean of reactionary generic bigotry. That most Americans are are very conservative to ashes. And your job as someone who is even vaguely to the left of center is to massage this beast softly without getting bucked off of his back. Because if you're awake at him you will eat you. And that is their underlying assumption and and so they really do think Bernie would lose because they really do think that one America here Socialists. Even though they've heard Socialist for the twenty first century they'll go crazy. Yeah poll after poll. Oh show that Americans generally are to the left of your APP Democratic politician and they just don't believe as much as they like polls they always ignore those. It's true it's just that they don't care enough to vote because none of it changes how they're not represented Biden Sanders have gone. After each other on Sosa those social security with sanders correctly noting that Biden previously called for reductions to the program in the Senate and the former accusing his opponent of muddying his record Warren went public recalling a conversation. She had with Sanders and was she said that the senator expressed his his belief that a woman could not. Donald Trump with centers denied multiple times and on Saturday Buddha judge sent a fundraising email titled Bernie Sanders could be the nominee. The Post goes on to say that Bernie Sanders is raising tons of money. He's surging urging in the polls and he has dark money groups attacking his what. You just just renaming shit. Someone said I forget who made this year. But they said that Dark money groups. Buddha judges campaign calls black voters F very good so he goes here. This is the one more funny name. He is not my first choice. Said Rufus Gifford a prominent Democratic fundraiser who supports Biden a rooster who is a courtroom lawyer. Dog Drop Odor suspenders on his suspenders. Both part time lobbyists in full-time riverboat gambler. So I mean that's just a I've last one which is truly truly nauseating but that gets into this like I said they're they're are in the coyote. That has to wonder like do I off my own leg to get out of this trap or just starve to death and die of exposure or being eaten by another animal. They're you're facing this right now because they genuinely cannot attack him when policy because they've all said to the democratic electorate that we want all the same things he does spend the lie I of the Democratic Party since time immemorial and they never got called on it because there was nobody anybody running credibly. Who is actually promising to do that stuff? They can't really. I mean they're going to. They're they're trying to say oh. It's so dangerous. Because he's such a radical he said it's such a risk to nominate him but I mean the light of that is any national. Yeah like any he pull him. In versus trump at any states that are going to decide it or just overall likeability or how about the actual Democratic primaries that are about the skulduggery the gentleman Wave some singular pulsa mason-dixon poll that had Biden up in Florida and Virginia. Proof or something. There was a pull out of Florida like two days ago with Bernie beating trump by ten points. So what data. Are you gonNa go and try to do that. That's possible but that seems increasingly ineffective. What are they left with? All I said before the same shit they did in two thousand sixteen birdie bro Stuff. He's supporters harassing journalists. My you know my men. cheeser violence misogyny sexism Joe Rogan. Oh God Joe Rogan is the new thing is it. I thought you were going to get to the Atlantic. I am perfectly from you Linda. I'm bringing up the Rogan thing because the whole preamble of. I'm sorry I'll just say this. Is David David Fromm. Atlantic titled Bernie can't win. This is by the way he wrote. An article in two thousand sixteen in the Atlantic called. Trump can't win. Yeah so again Dan. Point for Bernie but what he means by can't is not what you think he means. By can't he doesn't mean it's not possible for me to win but that headline could not that would be possessed headline however was intended. It's very strauss immediate underlying. Well exactly like with all those Strauss drowsy so this is this is perfectly Strauss. Had Map because with all of these like especially the David Fromm thing. Then I'm going to read. It's like you have to understand the. So Oh an exit. Eric true communicated here and like the truth from everyone like him Jennifer Rubin literally every Iraq war criminal coming out at like even now all just being like it would be a huge mistake for the Democrats nominate Bernie Sanders. Take it from me. Yeah so whose opinion you should fucking. You know someone who doesn't want anything good ever to happen for anyone and the the EXO teric truth that there's that they're telling you there is that you know like we said about before this last the Mitch effort to get you to doubt yourself And you'd be like no no no you don't understand it's too dangerous. This will never happen even if you want like. You'RE GONNA fail in the long run this just. It'll never happen. This their last ditch effort to just try that one more time the esoteric truth is that this is an existential threat to me personally absolutely so actually you know what. Let's just go into David Frum thing. This is David from writing America's worst magazine the Atlantic. Aw Shit it magazine run by the the Porcine Prison Guard. Jeffrey Goldberg Bernie can't win sub head but unless other Democrats take a page from his book look stressing the practical over the theoretical universal over the particular. They won't prevail either left but not woke is the Bernie Sanders brand. Uh if anyone failed to recognize yes. Isn't anyone if anybody failed to recognize it before. Nobody can miss it now last week. The Mega podcast. The Joe Joe Rogan endorsed Sanders. Enders Campaign tweeted a video of the rogin endorsement from Sanders. own-account the tweet then triggered an avalanche disapproval from other voices in the Democrat coalition. Delicious Rogan is not an allied to the cultural causes that have come to predominate on the contemporary left. He even mocks many of those causes. While also dancing around conspiratorial oriole thinking of from the left and right fringes nine eleven to nihilism Obama birtherism and speculation about dark deeds concerning Hillary Clinton and the Clinton founded. How aw screw crazy man over here but again you were describing a normal person right? You're describing a normal person who is like I remember once when we were I. Don't remember where two or somewhere but I had an ear buds and we're waiting for a train and I was just I start. I was laughing so hard. I I was like crying because Joe Rogan was trying to explain the concept of bees and it was so because you know just a benevolent man with a genuine curiosity about the world trying so hard I think thank you was like trying to explain that the decline in the bee population but he couldn't get there because he had to first explain the concept of a beam the nation and what bees do did Joe Rogan touch on the fact or like did he have DMC mind-blowing a moment. Bring Back Doc. According to understand how do they do the Joe Rogan voice. Doc what he is is he. He is one of those guys who gives politics the rational proper amount of attention it deserves a regular person which is basically zero. Yeah like they don't think about politics so they're literally open minded which is impossible to imagine if you spend all day doing mind combat on twitter. Where you all people have like this fully hardened I intellectual and ideological identity that is fused to them as opposed to people just kind of dot dot think about things and then like make their opinion of them as they're saying it and they never never think about it again and then this humble man who starts out every interview with like look? I'm dumb and don't know what's going on like he literally says that and it's like well you understand like his entire appeal is a bunch of guys who respect that modesty because they are themselves are well. They're they're not not as cool enough to be able to admit that they're dumb he is. He is the moderate voter apathy fucking voter stuff. That's racist and sexist and bad ad. That's because that's the ambient you say that all the time that America's sexist racist depiction of why wouldn't regular people have that as some sort of background background radiation of their thinking like Rogan. Is like you know you've described him before it was like he has the literal definition of an open. Mind like you said. His mind is like like a lint. Roller and that it just picks up you ever rolls over absolutely but like the thing is i. Think Rogan is a synthesis of like Jok and pothead. Yes that describes a lot of people and articles of young men. These articles how popular he is among young men. Right like in you know from rights here. sorry. The Atlantic reported in a memorable appreciation of Rogan back in August. Rogan is a voice for men. But here's the thing I think it just. These are people who were not completely nerd. So they don't have politics in the same way you still to this but what they have is sort of a vague sense of being against authorities right. So that's why they are open to ideas that that fall to the left and right of the conventional wisdom because extra given credence by them because they're outside the norm and that is why they're attracted attracted to also think separates them from guys who might otherwise go like all right or whatever because there just outside or enough to not be particularly malicious schist. Difference right there just like haw. So that's your thing like that. Yeah so it goes on to quote from an Atlantic piece about your Rogan and then from continues here former vice president Joe Biden replied to Sanders Rogan. Tweet with the pointed tweet of his own. The tweet was let's be clear. transgender equality is a civil rights issue of our time. There is no room for compromise when it comes to basic human rights. Nobody's Joe Biden. About first of all I I would would like to say that I was talking about this earlier. And I'm like you know what Joe Biden is probably not transphobic. He's probably like Oh. That's the thing you're doing this so uh-huh confused and gone at this point that he does not care they ask them. How many genders are there? And he said at least three. That is a the question you want to kiss him on the head like Hans Boman after he's trying he's trying you in the civil rights you know like battle of our time is a little bit of a weird phrasing because it implies that we're done with yeah right stuff we're still got a lot of. I don't think it's delicious but like the idea they would. Have you believe the Joe Rogan. The Joe Biden is just all of a sudden being like opportunistic from his campaign. One hundred percent throughout this whole rogin concerts not know. That tweet was me. And I'm using controversy here very generously because this is so not so funny people online who are completely fine with say Ah spent all of their time. You know using Harry Potter metaphors who have no fucking problem with J. K.. Rowling like like all of the sudden like this is their cause Celeb- and also why are you gonNa hit him again. It's not like Bernie. Went on Rogaine and co-signed everything Rogan. It ever said well. He does but he did he. Did you have to really have to believe that for these people him going on. That show is an endorsement of everything he's ever now. I think there are two types. Well so I think most people are cynical. You enter saying the people who there's a few posters and feel like they need. Yeah there's a few nut jobs who are like this is what it's like. You're not allowed to talk to people that don't share your exact thing. Yes that's a real strain. The larger category though I think is the cynical or maybe the more influential mental categories the more stable. Yeah right so that's the people with jobs who are based on the ship Biden People Not Know Whatever Maoists if you don't have your ship paycheck on the line. I think you're more more likely to really believe that. Contagion theory politics but yeah if you will have anybody if your job depends on any of this. It's all cynical right. And it's the warn in cable who yeah maybe do or don't realize that it's over for her is not picked up the requisite amount of black support to have any life past and vodka. Maybe they they should be looking for another job soon. But who have been speaking this language of giving a platform to Rogan Rogan. As one of the big fucking platforms in the country independent Bernie but of course you know where the people are fucking magically. It's like he's he's he's given him a magical potion that makes him Abou- credible and mainstream not the fact that he is credible a mainstream by virtue of the size of his fucking show this liberal brain rot. That says like like actually You you you don't preach to the centers you don't like it's like this weird thing where it's like we have to just like make our ranks as small. It's it's like a weird kind like Trotskyite over over. Hold where it's just like okay. Well we're forming a cadre and it's like you know you only get one vote right. Yeah you know. Can You fucking count. Don't learn to fucking count. It's this weird. Mutated Protestantism puritanism in American culture. Just keeps rearing its ugly head where it's like it's not enough to like support as burning himself says many time signing on no matter where you're from enthusiastically endorsed no matter where you come from the most left wing wing candidate this run for president since Eugene debs. Probably that is pitching a multi-racial multigenerational working class coalition of Bass around working working class issues in the redistribution of wealth but a political power to the working class in this country. It's not just enough. You have to do that but unless you're totally elite pure heart and free from sin not just not just sin that you do put things you say but it's free from sin in your heart that that is the problem that they have with it because none of the none of these policies will we'll change. What's inside of people's hearts? Well it's contagion theory too. Because they're like this is going to bring the filth into the Bernie Movement Not Bernie is actually changing people's ideas in mind. Exactly what else. This is the thing that they have a fundamental misapprehension of how this shit works. They view ideology geology and political movements as a contagion as a virus. You let one one. Joe Rogan unreconstructed Joe rogan listener. Who Maybe didn't go to college has learn the right word to use hasn't gone through the literal like social conditioning? To make you value those things like being not racist and being you know a trans positive As personality traits you literally do learn that Shit in college and so if you let those guys in there we're gonNA spread by people like vampires spread like that the the thing you know but that's how it works because they're a smaller group and because everyone else is already in this fucking coalition organized around a collective interest. which is you know all the working class power? We were talking about. That means that if they do have bad views on social stuff they end up getting diluted their power gets on those issues it gets diluted and they ended up contributing is their support to the fucking platform that supported by everybody and helps everyone. This is the thing I wrote about when I was talking to someone. They're trying a unionized. Like some tech stuff and I like someone asked like well. What do I do with an outright guy? Wants to be in my union and I'm like if an all right guy wants to be in your union you want yes put it never but I like going back. This never goes both ways. No this is never. It's never it's never. That Warner Biden is giving a platform to CNN. In which is a fucking war. They don't like it's never. It's never that Warren gave a platform to Netanyahu. It's not that anyone gave a platform to APEC it. Only it is. You're only giving a platform. It's only in this fucking this fucking fake. New Liberal sort of FO- empty language has been conjured since two thousand seventeen when it's something that directly benefits one candidate yes and it also happens that that's the one candidate that's actually on the left. And here's here's a perfect example of that Felix fucking was his name Bakari sellers being. Like how dare you compare Joe Rogan to Colin Powell. Away fucking better I again. Oh wait you met that as a Defensive Colin Powell Oh my God dude somebody in my mentioned explicitly say to me. Well it's like yeah. Okay Colin Powell path. The war in Iraq is pretty bad but man Rogan really is a piece of shit like he just wanted me to admit the Rogan's pat and I said that is that's disgusting worldview. If you get the same scandals you think most people are shit problematic or killing two million people in the middle these. How have you think those are on the same scale? You're a fucking sick pervert. And here's and here's the other idiotic thing about it even on a realpolitik level it's fucking brainless. Like Hillary Clinton actively courted and receive Henry. Kissinger is endorsement. Henry Kissinger is like a world historical Hitler Level Mass Murderer Hillary Clinton had no problem touting and giving platform to that person. But here's why it's idiotic. It garnered her probably zero. No one who wasn't already on board voted like who is waiting for the fucking wasn't already on board even if Joe Rogan. Were like the absolute for this character of him as like the most evil person with a large media platform in this country that you could imagine he would still a candle in the Sun compared to Colin Powell who by the way Iraq war aside started out his career covering up the me. Lie companyman to the bitter fucking end. Yeah Yeah Inbetween. That help probably helped oversee the fucking highway of death a career fucking blood. Yeah but the thing is is I think the reason that resonates this and the reason that they do actually definitely part of it cynical. But there's also that ideological undercurrent like the real the real heavy like ideology Shit that undergirds worldview which is Joe Rogan. Broke the rules us. He's not part of the club like they really do. Have that ingrained meritocracy. Where institutions like the Colin Powell or CNN or anything these things are exempt from these things because they should be there? They're part of the institutions are part of the elite. Joe Rogan is not controlled outside. And here's puts the lie to all of this. He didn't take a job involved. A job applicant college. Why truly must part ways that people who are coaching over this or like saying oh you can take a moment but don't tout it or whatever? Joe Rogan's audience audience is like eleven twelve thirteen million apple. I mean we've got a pretty popular podcast but that is drop in doesn't vote which means Bernie Sanders is reaching non vote. Yes yes. This is insanely important. More people listened to the Bernie Episode Code of the Joe Rogan. podcast then have watched every single democratic debate combined. The people that have watched like like Bernie on Rogan are more likely to be a pool of people. He could appeal to the freaks like us that watched fucking democratic debate rogan endorsement. The way he said it actually proves the entire deep it proves. Why Bernie is the only one who can win honestly because he wasn't touting any issues that Bernie supports works when he said he supported Barney Bernie's men consistent Bernie's been consistent for thirty years? He's said the same thing this whole time I want. I got a credit somebody. Who's that consistent now? Of course worse for establishment liberals. That's horrifying John. Shea wrote an article or he or tweets actually Oh no he did write an article actually It's actually an insult to someone to say. They haven't changed ancient thirty years because of course as a meritocratic liberal elite the idea of being nuance the idea of ood. Always being willing to admit I was wrong. That's a value but what that reads like the regular people is being fucking snake and bring someone. I can't trust being oily. Yes because I know that's actually a virtue being a sponge that fits in any space exactly and they don't trust it. Thing is the reason that's a rubric to care about is because they don't have the ideological commitment. Yeah pick it otherwise. They can't sort by with because they don't really we know what they want but they know one guy is bullshit and not even for the one who is in full of Shit. They're not even snake- snakes have spines exactly and you know if We if indeed walking the Golden Path and this goes the way that we that we hope it does look back on. This and the Roman endorsement will be as important written if not more than Cossio Cortez's endorsement. You'll be certainly on the same level of how endorsement that actually really matter. You'll see a few people. Well who might otherwise have gone to Warren. Rogin is going to bring in people. That weren't GonNa vote for Eddie and more of Tom a lot more yes well I do. Credit where credit's due A. OC thing it came at a crucial moment came during a real gut check moment. We're Warren researching after the BERNHARDT thing. A time where a lot of us were feeling on edge and credits do but they were looking wobbly Warren supporters. Yeah yes yes but like. I'm David from article here because again you just taking this. You just have to admire the absolute perversity of one of the architects of the Iraq war. You can kill a million people a million civilians. It's probably sort of a pretending that he gives a shit about Trans people are Trans civil rights or anything like that fucking conservative. And that he is in any position to gain say the morality of Joe Fucking Rogaine or Bernie Sanders is Francis Assisi Comparative fucking. So all right David David Fromm. If you're going to have deportations deport fucking immediately. Don't let them take any of his thing sent him semyon. Senator fucking Calgary. Don't even send him to fuck it. None of it. Yeah I've walked out at a genuinely vile and morally abominable person who Louis. Yeah a pig man who is here like you know schooled you one more time just one last time. So let's just let's get into this so he after pretending that you know he he gives he cares about transpeople at all and by the way about all this stuff about Bernie Sanders as mayor of Burlington in the nineteen fucking eighties like literally created a safe space for trans people because of the policies he instituted as mayor of Burlington. Use fucking joke. They all all these fucking people ran against gay marriage recently fucking ten years ago well past the way in which a lot of people at. Yeah when when David from his war started blowing up in their face they use a AH they use gay marriage wedge issue fucking haven do that yes yeah. They're so proud of south well. We placed swing states we placed controversial controvercial marriage referendum on the ballot hoping it would turn out among evangelical yea. How if we yeah? If we'RE GONNA be talking about this. How many fucking people killed themselves? Because they made that a national national issue. Yeah they're thinking about coming out kids or something like that David Front. Yeah Wall and Sandra's did that and Burlington Wolfram was doing what fucking polishing pushing Irving Irving Taint the fuck was he doing. This goes back to Rogan sing about consistency. Not only has he been pro gay rights. He's been pro-trade for most people even knew at that was for fucking forty thirty years before just before he knew about it before it was not only cool but politically feasible. To do so let Stewart was doing like chicks with dicks jokes in the second Bush term. That's how fucking recently. No one gave a shit shit about trans issues at all. I thought it was a joke. So here he goes from here but sanders is a Marxist of the old school of dialectical materialism ass from the land that time forgot got class. Relations are foundational. Everything else is EPI phenomenal. Sanders may have outgrown the Revolutionary Socialism. His use he seems to think in terms of Ameliorating Bourgeois Joie has Yemeni rather than overthrowing it he is not necessarily hostile to transgender claims. He has cosponsored the current version of the Equality Act which includes transgender people in the classes. Assist to be provided equal public accommodation and to be protected from job. Discrimination Act which while crying ever goes so he says he seems to be hostile to transgender claims. Because he's literally sponsoring the civil rights. Act that would cover a hash. Historically well well before anyone even knew what that what he goes here continues but sanders certainly does seem to think that such concerns are secondary compare and contrast the answers that he and Elizabeth with Warren gave at the December nineteenth democratic debate in Los Angeles. I mean again you can read their. I'm skipping ahead here. But that's the one where she says. I'm going to read out the names names of transport and I gotTa say if you here if you if you are thinking of the answer to the question what policy would do more to help the lives of trans people in this country would it be the legislation that Bernie is sponsoring or would it be reading out the names history onyx which one of those is GonNa actually help someone's life and if you pick reading the names you are aren cloud-cuckoo-land and it's all show Imbecilic fucking imbeciles he goes here really sure transpeople need healthcare and not only that it's actually actually access to healthcare from discrimination is probably the most important to you in the Trans Community like the biggest barrier to like being anyway goes to be able to fill yourself if you're trying so he goes on here Bernie Sanders is a fragile candidate. He's like a little China doll. I I don't know it seems pretty durable. He's his numbers. No baboots Marzouk. I just had a fucking heart attack and then went up Larry David said he's indestructible like so he has never fought race in which he has had to face serious personal scrutiny none of his Democratic rivals subjecting him to such scrutiny in Twenty Twenty Hillary Clinton and refrained from scrutinizing sanders in two thousand six hundred. It did not happen either. In his many races in Vermont political profile in two thousand fifteen by Michael Cruz argued that sanders had benefited from an unwritten compact between sanders his supporters and local reporters who have steered clear of writing about Sanders personal history rather than risk lectures about the twisted priorities at the press. The question isn't the outcomes razor explanation for this that he just doesn't behalf anything you can use against him. Well you'll be just coincidentally soft Ottomans whole career. You'll be through. There's nothing there you know this. This will reveal itself mad. I I don't hear. The trump campaign will not steer clear. This is where it gets really good. Oh yes the trump campaign will not steer clear. It will hit him with everything it's got. It will depict him as a communist in the grip of twisted sexual fantasies referring. To of course that article he wrote back in the seventies then we all know about because people attacked active with him in two thousand sixteen. Yeah they're all talking about like there's just like a he's never gonNA face what we all know is out there and then when they go to list the things he will face. It's all shit like like that that we already knew about where Sandra's just like a lot of ladies they're thinking about giving back what they say they're gonNA use this. It's like they're threatening to put. What a flu vaccine in the water? It's all we know. This shit doesn't work nice. It's also like get trump's gonna hit them okay. Yeah this is just one thing I hate. It's a Jewish Pervert so disgusting you thank forget the Democrats he saying that this is what trump will throw against Bernie in the general his twisted sexual fantasies. Okay compare that to. Let's say trump's record record on this recorded voice on tape saying grabbed the pussy. He said that a useless career politician. Who who oversaw a culture of sexual harassment in his two thousand sixteen campaign young folks Birdie? He's toxic masculinity ludi thirty student. Oh gross he's super body. Space is pretty bad. How on earth is? I know they're going to try of course but like they're going to do anything. Ah Donald Trump is just gonna be like Bernie's old. Yeah yeah that's crazy crazy. Which shows he doesn't even know what he's doing? Non Talking trump is going to make an issue out of the culture of sexual harassment on Bernie's twenty sixteen candidates news folks Bros.. Terrible at least with bill I mean Asli. He did the same thing when he after the Hollywood tape and he brought out Juanita broaddrick and stuff to go to the next debate which is astounding move but like. You couldn't even do that because this is just like some fucking huff Po. Shit it's not like a actual. You know accusers. Through Twenty Nine Hundred Three Twenty Nineteen Donald Trump and his proxies proxies hill. Sanders is a true voice of the people thwarted by the evil Mac nations of the Hillary Clinton machine. They will not pause a minute before pivoting in two thousand twenty to attack him as a seething stew of toxic mess who's vicious online followers martyred. The Democratic Party's first female nominee. He's going to attack Bernie Sanders by saying that Bernie was to to Hillary Clinton the guy who he ran on putting in prison. He needs to get deported for this article recall alone. That's moronic nuts. Legitimately the stupidest bird the sundance film. Okay this is this. The details of this are so funny and telling at the Sundance Film Festival in Utah. This past weekend Clinton Chill Jeffrey Goldberg. The Atlantic's editor in chief that sanders alone alone among the democratic aspirant twenty twenty had refused to meet with her. GotTa wonder why I'm so. Cool that attack Ed. I was at the Sundance Film Festival. Civil and Bernie did not pick up the phone to ask me if he my permission to run for president. Can you believe that amazing. Because it probably wasn't even a snub. He was probably sitting in a windowless room eating coleslaw. I like it better room temperature. Those answer pitched at at like Hillary dead enders my work. They ended up with a picture of Hillary at trump's wedding when they're all smiling the actual friend of Hillary I. Oh I think she's a special lady. She's it was her moment. It might be victory. Her Victory Hillary towards the pill. I just saying I think that that would probably secure Sally Albright's vote. Take it goes here this okay you are you ready to have your mind blown by this next strapped me. If Sanders wins the Democratic nomination you'll hear Clinton's negative assessment of him repeated so often by pro-trump talkers that you will almost think Clinton is trump's running-mate. Everyone hates her. The person who lost she ate shit people with David Frum is saying is the person who will beat Bernie Sanders what trump will use to beat. Bernie Sanders is Hillary Clinton. The Person He beat in two thousand sixteen and literally no one likes what he goes. Trump will terrorize. The suburban moderates with the threat that Sanders will confiscate their health insurance and stockholdings if not their homes trump accused Democrats of pro ayatollah sympathy for noticing that his story about the killing of Qassim Sulamani was full of holes. In one one thousand nine hundred sanders joined a left wing party whose presidential candidate condemned anti Iranian hysteria around the US hostages being held at the US embassy. In Tehran suggesting that many of them are simply spies is or people assigned to buy crafts. One hundred percent true okay. The members of the team around Sanders experts in Democratic Party. Factional infighting few have dealt with people who do not play by the rules of the mainstream Democratic Party. They have always been the rule. Breakers the people who got inside other Diaz Vision Cycle. They they have been the minute men fighting the redcoats picking off the other side's regulars from behind trees and fences. Now they are okay. This is really great now. They're about to experience France. What happens when a militia faces off on an open field against a ruthless modern army with cluster bombs and Napalm? They will be shredded and torch. Okay that is a very very specific list of war. Crimes that military can achieve coming from David. Fromm seems like he is actually very familiar with the process of that you'll be strafe strafe with depleted uranium from Apache. Long again keep in mind David Fromm in the Bush White House in his first storm could not be more more closely tied to the war on terror and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Didn't David how did how did those actually turn out of modern ruthless army of art cluster bombs white phosphorus depleted uranium faced off against an irregular guerilla force in counterinsurgency. Can we check the scoreboard on that. And then Vietnam before it because the actual record I hear you seem to be saying is actually quite good for sanders in this metaphor here. Yeah but also hilarious that he's talking about the fact that he you can use this metaphor of people being scorched shredded by cluster munitions napalm have never even once in his life reflected on what he did had to actually have make that happen in the real world not as a metaphor for a political campaign but to actually let's say cover the city of VOLUSIA and depleted uranium. Nia he thinks it was still a good idea. And here's the other thing about from all these guys from voted for trump in two thousand sixteen. Sure lying about that. And he's going to vote for him in twenty twenty twenty as well. How they all are? That's going to be so awesome watching all of these never-trumpers buckled like a belt and become trump's surrogates. It's already happened with Brad. Stevens wrote an article Mr. He was the never trump conservative. That's why the New York Times because they could never imagine having a fantasy. Loutish trump other beloved op-ed page. But he's just wrote an article saying actually you know. Trump up isn't bad. We're going to give them a bad rap because he sees Bernie possibly being the nominee the economy standards himself as for Sanders himself. If there's one thing the political world world has learned about him by now it is this. He does not cope well with criticism. He does not cope well with interruption. The Sanders campaign is a bet that the twenty twenty race can be won by mobilizing. Oh blazing the Americans least committed to the political process while alienating and even if ending the Americans most committed to it it's a hell of a gamble and for what to elected elected presidency of person with a proven record of accomplishing little for the causes. He espouses despite almost thirty two years in the House and Senate yeah sorry. He hasn't created universal healthcare yet as the only only independent socialists of the United States Senate. Let's be honest a paltry achievement for you know anyone. Can anyone can do that. Going from being mayor to congressman men to senator as a socialist in America that that's not very impressive at all. And here's the other thing. Oh what post office. What name? Yeah what does he actually achieve. I I guess like on par his record up against Biden. I'd rather go the guys who didn't achieve anything rather than the people who everything they achieved fewer fucking evil. I made the fucking Eiffel Tower of Shit. There's one thing at the end here. That is just truly truly incredible. There are many ways to divide the Democratic field by ideology by gender ethnicity by age but perhaps the most important is this for Buddha judge for Bloomberg as well as for me and very likely you read or the Atlantic one of the most decisive days of our lives. CBS was the day. We received the fat envelope of acceptance from a selective educational institution. Oh my God what were the other things. He mentioned age Asia Age ethnicity ideology and gender. No class in there were. He's saying class but like himself because he's like the most important day in my life was is when I got fat. Letter of acceptance to an Ivy League institution like the education is a way of skirting around class. That is what so here he goes Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. Speak to Americans for whom the fat envelope thin envelope decision means little if it means anything at all it's not accident or name recognition. That explains why they lead the field. They are both being carried by something. Big and real the challenge for the person who will succeed in beating trump in two thousand twenty is not really to ride ride that force but to guide it. Here's what is so fucking incredible about. That is because he goes onto he in that article as I pointed out. He obliquely references by way of metaphor analogy to a political campaign Mass murder the imperial like the death machine of Modern Nation States army at the end of it. He says the most important day in my life was when I got accepted college. What do you think the most important day of an Iraqis life was probably the one that they it didn't meet the end of? Yeah but for that David Fromm everywhere like a wife and children yeah. He does imported days when my when my wife got thrown off a plane plane for drew herself for my when my wife inflated the emergency slide because she saw a man in a turban. So Yeah for David. David Frum for everyone who reads the Atlantic for everyone who takes his Porsche advice seriously or even counts counts him as Z.. moral person who she deserves anything less than being the full exit from civil society the acceptance letter. The fat enveloped the thin envelope. That's the most crucial thing you'll ever face in your life. The millions of people that they've killed total abstraction. Let's make David froms second most important in his life the thin envelope. He gets bus tickets back to Canada never to return. 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Potential and Current Election Disasters

"On the new episode of all inclusive Jay speaks with special guests, Darren Walker President of the Ford Foundation one of the largest philanthropic organizations in the world J. N. Darren discussed the lack of minority representation in corporate. America. The black lives matter movement, and the importance of social activism in today's world. Hey, this Jason McIntyre join me every weekday morning on my podcast straight fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day straight fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big the sports book and all the best guest. Do yourself a favor and listened to straight fire with Jason McIntyre on the IHEART radio, APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to worst year ever a production of iheartradio. Eighty so My friends my foes welcome back to the worst year ever particularly. Hello to Katie Yeah. Which is The number one listening demographic for this podcast. Done so many intros this year this God damn ear and I just mixed it up just let I open my mouth and words came out and you know what I do welcome my foes I know either here's. Some of your hate me that's fine. Now has gotten to real. Katie stall and I'm joined as always. My friends. You and you're. A. Johnson I guess if we're doing that. Nine. Oh. So funny what I? I currently don't identify as Katie's Fo-, but you know that scene in the Lord of the rings when when Galadriel light goes goes all Nutso on on on Bilbo and like share talks about half you took the yeah I'm waiting for Katie to do that and at that point I will become Katie's foe. To Save. The world from from tyranny and who knows maybe that day today we'll find out it might be then it could happen at any second. We've all known hearing of this could happen here it. Could Happen here in this podcast I, tuned on MSNBC briefly at some point in the past it was a mistake had had like a real big Chiron caption of it could happen here you sons of bitches you. bitches Sir I took a picture of it. It's floating around. So angry at all the people who are worse than me talking about how a civil war might happen now is if I just just. You you sends a bitch is okay. It's okay. It's okay. Roberts. YEAH MSNBC Roberts. Foes are any people who have just started writing think pieces about a civil war in the United States in the last two months. And Our Guys are not thought David Fromm you son of a bitch. Sorry. Room Yeah, we're GONNA talk about later in this episode. I've just. A great moment, I do want to talk about because I'm a narcissist I was heading a protest on Friday night with a group of about three to four hundred portlanders all. Armed with very large wooden shields like off and military lines and did battle with the fire recognize David Fruman that line of people with shields? Yeah. Yeah. He had a a fashion in both hands and was was just you know he was not there but as we're as this like. Lion of a shield bearing marchers was like heading out like a Roman. Mantle into battle this. And I'm like kind of walking alongside them these like five four, I think four or five kids all in black. They look like they were like maybe in their late teens early twenty s, and like completely blocked up head to Toe Like, walk up to me in this young woman or maybe girl. I know if she was a of adult age says to me I just wanted you to know that my affinity group I all listen to it could happen here last year and it's like we've completely based everything that we're doing now around it as a result. Like I have no idea what you're going to do probably commit serious crimes tonight. I'm very proud of you. And I, I hope that you don't get hurt but but also yeah I dunno weird infinity. Group an affinity group is is like your buddies basically group of people with whom you share affinity I thought affinity no like the protests in Portland and as a general rule like any kind of sustained illegal list like the civil action is kind of made up of a bunch of different interlocking groups of people who are buds and want to do the same kinds a shit. But. Describe it well, have already learned something today anyway. To the teenagers out there getting horribly. Abused by police. In the police who are in their own affinity groups, right they they are. They're in a very large affinity group cracking open cold one with the boys This was the skull. Right Katie. Guy Seem. Really Creepy. Blue lives matter protesters keep going to really hills on Saturdays. That scene. That is different than the is that the same as the big Maga-. Protests that happens Beverly Hills every weekend. I think there must be some cross section. kind of feels like they're shipping right now. That's kind of what it feels like like they're not like they're like they're like bussing people in to make it look bigger than it actually is. That makes sense. Yeah make. Ed's Big Rally of a significant number of people in Portland this weekend from a weird Christian Colt reading that I. Writing -FORNIA Redding California. Yeah. They came up and like a big anti mask gathering which was illegal because you can't have outdoor gatherings of more than fifty people unless there's like masks and social distancing and nobody was wearing masks at this thing is much cops cracking down on them? No. Of course not oh, of course. Learned their lesson. Yes. Yes. In other news like a same day they wanted. One of Jeremy Christians early victim this young woman Dimitrios Hester who's been. Leading peaceful protests in town and who was so like before Christian stabbed two people to death on that Mac strain he assaulted her and she reported him to the police and they did not a God damn thing. And then they did not God damn thing because Jeremy Christian was just exercising his first amendment rights and then they arrested Dmitriev Hester for exercising her first. Amendment Rights. Well, no thank God. Who have police second this is the first right it. Yeah. That's the order. That's that's that's how we prosecute. That's how we rest soil of prosecutions. Day. Yeah, it's a bit of a Hodge podge episode. Again, 'cause my God. There's so much happening all the time everywhere But we wanted to start I. Think by talking about these coronavirus relief executive orders that trump announced last week and cody. Cody Cranston he cody cody. Jon. Lord the words. To, start that conversation and just for like equality sake what's up cody's foes Oh. Yeah. Thank you very much I mean we're equal opportunity here I. don't I don't want any of my foes to think that. You. Know More I. Think it's more cody's John John's foes now that's not cody cody cody's photos. Were Cody's photos. Hotel Griffey's photo. Toyota Code Synthesis. Photo and so on as well as this is. decided. Let's just take a moment to appreciate what good radio this is. Just amazing downloadable radio. We love it. Are you guys excited about the election? How We're finally going to we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA flank. From. The left no, we're GONNA. Like. He's going to become a leftist hero and do a lot a. he's going to help the people because he's the he's the he's. Fighter, for the common man. And the dams are corporatists and ineffectual and He's he's the one that's going to do it and pumped for this. Are you pumped? Yes so Actually, my assessment of the Democrats wasn't. Too Far off but I have seen a lot of. People talk about how trump he's gonna like he's GonNa Flank those damage from the left. He's he's like he's more or less than Pelosi. and. I mean, it's nonsense this story come out and it keeps. True. It's Also. It's still not true because he he will. He will say things. Vaguely. Like I'm going to take care of a I'm GonNa halt evictions, I'm GonNa do this and this and this. Because the Democrats aren't. Necessarily doing enough or offering enough to people during his pandemic. But that doesn't mean that Donald fucking trump is going to it might mean that he will. Say? That, he will. and. I've talked about this for like a year and? We'll wien that he'll say one thing that's not true right I've talked about for a long time how like he will probably Slowly, get on board with the language of somebody who wants like Medicare for all universal health care and that kind of thing but it's going to be exclusionary and it's going to be bad is going to hurt people alternately because that's what he does. The whole thing this whole. That's the whole deal we're basically both you and Robert R prophets I get it. Sorry, you're smart all to all the folks out there. You a photo of the pot. Now I know made the pot Kate Katie Stefo Katie Katie full. Katie. You know when we talk about. Crimes of capitalism. One of them should be listed the fact that I I did just get paid to make that joke. Can I have your money? Okay. No. No. Of course not. That's fair. So trump amidst all of these announcements. Like yeah, I'll I'll I'll save the world. I'll do this. I'll do whatever he signed for. Executive. Orders. A memorandum. that. Were designed to give the illusion and the aesthetic that he is helping people and he's just pretty much not really one of them was about unemployment benefits he. Is offering four hundred dollars which is two hundred dollars less than what the Democrats have. Tried to get for people and have had. So it's a I'm not like a numbers Guy I'm. That's better than if he said. I was GONNA say it's less four hundred seems less than six hundred right I mean it seems less than six hundred to me. But again, not a numbers guy just sort of general guests. and. So not only is this less than what people need right now and not actually really. Helpful I mean it's more helpful than nothing. So there you go. The getting money is. Forty four billion dollars from the Disaster Relief Fund which I don't know if anyone has been paying attention to number again. Forty, four billion dollars. That's not much money. It's not much money. That's just that's just forty four, billion dollar yachts, cody. Fifty billion dollar. Yeah. So Yeah I was ready to dismiss whatever you had to say but that's a fair point Yeah. It's called perspective and I've Lost Mine. So I thank you for that. He's basically basically taking money from. Yachts. Because if if an amount is the same as an amount, you'd pay for something else. You're actually taking it from the other thing anyway forty billion dollars in the disaster relief fund halfway through the year when I don't know if anyone's familiar like hurricanes, we have quite a bit They had a couple of kids when I was a New Orleans earlier this year. In hurricane season. Yeah. I mean it's never not hurricane season. Yeah Sarah Cain. What is somewhere? What would be the problem with hurricanes? Cody's there's some downside. Them Oh I feel like maybe some homes and things get destroyed and people. Potentially getting. All right. Well, I vomited a lot in that lady's house but I wouldn't say it was destroyed I mean she can replace the carpet. Okay, well, she can't. because. You're not going to get that billion dollars from the forty four billion dollars cut from disaster relief. Fund, I'll fix the carpet that you threw up on. described their vomit as a hurricane but it was I mean I the vomit was made of hurricanes. That's what that song is about right that like some Portland no no that's New Orleans. That's like the. Story over growing up Yonder the song. Yeah. If you go to back when New Orleans hadn't been wiped out by a plague. There would be like tons of terrible bars with the same awful hurricane slushy that you could buy for too much money. In. Then step in the vomit of a frat boy who was puking off of a balcony and it was America's greatest city for a time before the. Heck Yes four times. Bring some fried alligator Robert. I know I know. I know. These continue sorry Oh you want me to give you interested signal. So. It's just. It just seems like maybe a bad place to get this money for a thing As. We'll talk about a little bit It's technically not. He's not allowed to do that because Congress controls like the purse strings of. Nation. and. So there's various talk of whether or not. It's legal to do this although again, like if you talk to, let's say the the Senate Minority leader are the speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. They'll say it's a legal, but like who knows? Posey referred to these orders as absurdly unconstitutional and then followed up by saying well, the fact is, is that whether they're legal or not takes time to figure out so very. Action here. And Chuck Schumer said Dancing Nancy. dancing dancing around it. And Chuck Schumer said I will leave that up to the attorneys to decide whether it's unconstitutional. CDO sorry. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer was never a practicing lawyer but he did pass the bar and then get into politics forty eight senators current senators used to be lawyers so when. I will leave that up to the attorney as a different problem but. Shock this idea of like you know the legal questions lead up to them. Well, that's your isn't that part of your job. Guy. Fair point. Frustrating point frustrating also. So a lot of the executive order also, it puts a a bit of a pause on the payroll tax here. First one is a payroll tax holiday. One a bit of relief is to defer payroll tax for a few months until December. Thus solving the problem forever solving the problem forever you still have to pay this it would defer it It's A. Down the line. It's Win Win those. Yeah. Based on the fact that March hasn't ended yet. We probably Never GonNa get to December again. So yeah, you deal the main really really long month. We should just call this podcast the worst month ever and twelve months along the art show that bad. It was a real bad marks per year. March. Oh all right. Well, we're done for the day and clearly a win show. make our head I. Understand that barrel tax also funds Social Security and Medicare and this is the real thing we gotta get down to because. As I mentioned earlier anytime trump like has the the aesthetic of like Oh there. He's flanking the DEM's he does not. He doesn't want to. He's not trying to that's not what he's doing. He is gutting like all of the safety nets and like the things that we need in in the country to like help people in order to present this thing. And so he's also. The one part of the government that like. Every person who's not a howling monster likes like the post office is good. Every buddy love. Post Office it's got like the highest approval. He didn't literally highest of all of them. It is nonsense. lutely crucial job very well. Everyone who has medicare is like I love having Medicare. I'm so grateful that I have Medicare now. and. So he's trying to gut all of these things. Presented, as though he's helping us n he's not and I just really hope it. Also say. something. About preexisting conditions aren't going to. Affect your health care enrollment when that is the whole thing with obamacare. It's nonsense he has said that he will do something about a pre existing conditions he's currently suing to. Do not include that partner Obamacare. It's obamacare he's he's trying to get rid of it and he's saying that he's going to not get not do it. It's he's. A why he's a wild fellow we love him. Don't we folks. We do. So he's all over the place and. doing this kind of stuff and when he's even when he's asked if he's going to get sued his response was well, you always get sued everything you do you get sued and my response to that is no everything you do. If that. Happens in your life. You should. Maybe. It's and everybody else maybe everybody else problem buddy. It reminds me of I was in jury duty the beginning of the year. Do you remember that I cannot my? Yes. Back when Sheri's existed what it is. I mean it's remarkable that ended up on a case that happened to be about building I used to live in but that aside. Very funny. It's wild the guy the landlord had. Like ninety lawsuits or something wild is like the same thing. Scummy rich real estate mogul get sued for everything and doesn't sweat it. You get sued for everything. Sorry beside the just relating it to my life. I mean it's true. That sounds like a everyone but him problem Yup. God I think it's time for us to take an advocate real quick. Is that true? Sophie? Can you confirm or deny I? Don't know what it is or where I am? GonNa take a quick break and then we're gonNA come back for more of this. A. Now. On the new episode of all inclusive Jase speaks with special guests, Darren Walker President of the Ford Foundation one of the largest philanthropic organizations in the world J. N. Darren discussed the lack of minority representation in corporate America the black lives matter. Movement and the importance of social activism in today's world. On, the new episode of all inclusive Jay speaks with special guests, Darren Walker President of the Ford. Foundation, one of the largest philanthropic organizations in the world J. N.. Darren. discussed a lack of minority representation in corporate America, the black, lives matter movement and the importance of social activism in today's world. and. We are back as promised from that ad break. My God. What a back from killing my intros and transition date. I'm proud of you Katie. Thank so. Cody please please please continue talking to us about this monster president. Please I can't wait I love him. He's really good. Yeah. So we just talked about his He's proudly announcing quote I'll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions for all of its customers. So. Thanks Obama. Yeah. So that's just one of his executive orders about The payroll tax is also another thing about this aside from the fact that the payroll tax heels pay for Social Security and Medicare programs that people need and also take. He has said that in seeking reelection, he will move to get rid of the payroll tax. like this part of his plan he it's not like I'm going to do this for this executive order like that is a goal of his which seems like the opposite of him saying that you'd never cut social security or Medicare, which is. Clearly actively trying to do. So I guess my point with this one is just. Anytime. You see someone. Say, that trump is flying the from the left. Tell them. He's not. Like You can criticize Democrats for not doing enough and not fighting hard enough, and for being like let's let the lawyers like all the stuff that they do. You can do that without pretending that trump's fascism, which is what it is is good. To have the aesthetics of leftism as much as you can without actually doing anything because he's a fascist that's fucking game. No, no cody four he's GonNa give people six hundred dollars a month again that's he's flanking the dims from the left. Is is definitely in how we talk about it like it's easy. I mean you can say anything with authority and it starts to take hold and and if people say he's flanking the dams from the left you see no, that's quite literally not what he's doing it all. That's what he wants it to look like he wants to appeal to things that. You know people that. Might not expect it from him or to show his base lake. Look. We're doing this innovative thing that the things that they would you know out hand dismiss coming from a liberal. Right. Like for years saying that like for years we've known everybody everybody knows Oh. Yeah. He's. He's a a fraud and like a right wing FO populist demagogue. That's what he does. So anytime, you say that he's doing this from the left you are getting duped you are being duped right now or you're doing a purpose. Lying on purpose I don't know But yeah, there's a better way to talk about it in a better way to point out he is clearly. A liar even like a few weeks ago he was. Like I'M GONNA canceling addictions getting rid of all of fictions. Something Congress has has tried to do and do briefly the deadline is over for that. Ever. All look. He's doing it again he's getting the Democrat what doing what they do know. He didn't do that. He didn't. He didn't cancel evictions he and I'm going to quote. Quote from this. The actual thing says, the secretary of Health and Human Services and the director of CDC's shall consider whether any measures temporarily halting residential evictions of tenants for failure to pay rent are reasonably necessary to prevent further spread of Covid nineteen from one state or possession in to any other state or possession. So he said he's Looking into it. He's Like the actual order, the memo is saying that he will. He will have people consider whether or not. It's worth looking into it's not. He's not he's a nonsense person. And like I don't know we don't need to spend too much time on these because I do think it's just important to recognize that like it is an aesthetic thing. It's disillusion that he's helping people and like flanking the damage when like he could easily. Push the Republican Party to agree to the bill that the Democrats have written. Ed Markey Ed. Markey. Of Photo of the Kennedys. Earlier today tweeted A. Written give every person in our country two thousand dollars a month for the duration of the pandemic two thousand dollars a month for three months after that and two thousand dollars a month retroactive to march to which Ted Cruz replied. Why be so cheap? Give everyone one, million dollars a day every day forever and three soy. Latte. As a day and a foot massage, we have a magic money tree and we should use it. One thing trump could do if you really wanted to flank the DEM's is tell Ted Cruz shut the fuck up about soy Latte as nobody gives people money so they can survive this pandemic. Doesn't. They know that it's like soil over an oath. On so I I. WanNa just drive down. You know what I really want Katie is to is to take a nice chill drive in a convertible down the Pacific coastal highway listening to the the the fat beats of Ben Shapiro saying what asked P. Word. Oregon? Yeah. That's I mean hey hey. Hey Hey, we're is her radio show we try to it's. W. Word a word p. word. Okay thank you that dream can be a reality Robert Nah yeah you can. Your poignant points. Well I. Mean it's just like it's just It's just more nonsense and like he sucks, get him out, get rid of them and then. Sell the Democrats go fuck themselves. But to so real quick to Ed Markey's credit again, photo of the Kennedy's. As we all know people who want Medicare for all in green new deal. Our real staunch enemies of the Kennedy's one assassinated him, and here we have. Ed Markey who responded to Ted by saying it's not a God Damn Joke Ted millions of families are facing hunger, the threat of fiction, the loss of their healthcare during a pandemic that is worsening every day. Get Real. Because Ed Markey rules and Ted. Cruz is A. fucking clown piece of garbage. He's such online freak. It's so bizarre soil La Tasers at Twenty fifteen ted. Are you like on the daily wires? Read it like what are you doing? It's I I. I'm functioning I am sorry. Just remind you that you are talking about the executive orders. snotty sounding. I was just trying to help. It's Ok out. Cody's. I know I was going to say really. Become Enough Odi I showed gone. FOTI Katie's. Vote it's not great sophie. I'm right there with you but I started it so I have to. Say I don't know I think they're gonNA love it. Yeah, he's also deferring student? Loan. Payments. Call. But. Not. Really. Yeah so like Have you steam and land of story I'm. Story. He sucked so bad and light sucks so bad. Everyone's such a liar. So frustrating. And It is. It does also frustrating especially since this. This whole time he's done such a fucking bad bad abysmal job of handling everything. But specifically, we're talking about a coronavirus relief package and about the coronavirus. The US. Now has over five million cases and one hundred, sixty, three, thousand people dead. That's the official number as of today. But that is not the actual number I just always have to say that caveat give number updates I wanted to just. Give some some school reopening updates because. That is a very big thing right now on everybody's mind with Cova. And everybody everybody but Betsy Devos. Everybody that Betsy Devos yes. Absolutely. I have her and US look nightmare bomb. It's already started guys. The reopenings have started single week of school more than two hundred and fifty students and teachers from one Georgia School district learned a lot and are grateful for their education yeah. No wrong. A maybe they learned something but they've been asked to quarantine for two weeks after several teachers and students tested positive or Cova nineteen. Again one school district after one week back. This is from USA Today. In a letter to families on Friday Superintendent. Brian. HIGHTOWER's that the trend of students and staff testing positive everyday will continue as we operate schools during a pandemic we know under a microscope as sure as national media follows the reopening of schools across the country he wrote but know that our decisions are not based on what people in New York or Kansas think nor are we concerned about optics or image we're focused on doing what's best for our community? Why do you shave nearly endless in new? York like that I know. What's Was Best for the community is leading your kids get sick and maybe die in bringing the virus home to your families who also might get sick and die Cool. But trump and his administration are continuing to push the narrative that kids are suffering suffering from being isolated at home. instead of you know people suffering because of Corona virus and you know that makes perfect sense to me because you know trump has always been really compassionate about the psychological effects of kids being locked up. Concerned. He's he cares about it's a joke. Because the say about. Trump, and his presidency, the compassion is the point. Yeah. They compassion is the point He also recently claimed on Fox News that kids are virtually immune to covid nineteen. Yeah, I'm going to give you guys this disturbing fact according to a report from the American Academy of Pediatrics, over ninety seven thousand children tested positive for coronavirus in the united. States just between July sixteenth and July thirtieth. Ninety seven thousand and while yes it is less likely for kids to die from the virus It's not impossible and a new study from the C. C.'s suggests that one third of children who are hospitalized with cove in nineteen and up in intensive care. And look at the beginning of this, we'd all hoped or thought that for some reason, the virus wouldn't affect kids. There was a lot of misinformation there still is we're still learning stuff and yet it's risky is for people over the age of sixty but it doesn't cannon does affect children. And they are apparently likely to be high spreaders because the symptoms may not show up in them. But. You would still bring the virus home to potentially vulnerable members of your family and the community and you mentioned gives don't live with adults though, yeah. What's the? What's the problem? You put you put them all together. There they don't go anywhere afterwards. I will just say that if people had taken the advice giving for years, which is that we wall off all of the states in the middle of the country outside the. Force the adults out and make them a giant open air child prison for all of the the miners in the country. If we done that this corona virus thing would no longer be a problem. Yeah I think. Elements of the United States government needs to watch a little movie called House Arrest. You Betsy. Devos like you mentioned earlier. Sophie. Waived. All of this away by basically saying that there's risk involved with everything a quote. Is. We do learning bike to the risk of getting in a space capsule and getting shot shot off in a rocket into space. What? What What the fuck that after do with teachers in schools and principals, and children, and families and grown wealthy because if my kid falls off a bike, if a kid falls off a bike. It's just as likely to kill grandma. You know Jesus see. Yeah. Yeah. You're also sorry Katie, you're under percent made a compelling weight such a Moron Yeah but Lino. It's sex. Officials have been pushing the administration to get serious start warning parents and school districts about you know the risk of reopening schools right now. But I guess they don't WanNa do that. administration has said that they should instead focus on bolstering the president's response plan. which he doesn't have one of. Anyway. This is all fun and good. This is all fun and good. And before we go to another ad break just want to follow up with United States Postal Service. Stuff we talked about it a little bit last week but shockingly, the situation has gotten worse in between. Now not only is the post office considering closing locations throughout the country but on Friday Louis, joy new postmaster, General Republican mega donor, and businessman with investments in US competitors announced him big shakeups This is from fast times. Changes were announced Friday by postmaster general, Louis to joy and radically alter the leadership structure of the USPS Organization will see twenty three major executives at the postal service resign or displaced including as business insider points out to execs who oversee critical day to day operations He's claiming at them. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh No, please continue. I was just going to say that you know he claims that this is going to allow the postal service to reduce costs and capture new revenue. But critics are are pointing out that the postal service is a for profit business you know and and the leadership changes are very. Alarming, for everybody right now, and it's going to have a could have severe consequences not just in terms of vote by mail but for people for workers for seniors from for voters, all of it people get their medication through the postal service, the puzzle. So Katie I'm. Physically healthy white man with no outstanding medical issues whose main use of of post of any kind is having Fedex send me various quasi-legal narcotics share. I don't understand why we need a postal service. And I'm not willing to listen to any of your answers and I'm just gonNA leave the podcast. Through the Postal Service Robert Comeback. Okay. Well, he's strictly in the folk camp now. Yeah. It's a the attack on the post office. Should be a story every day because it's an attack on our democracy. And it's an incredibly valuable service even articles who think they're helping. will run things like well, the post office didn't make a profit this year whatever it's like. Well, it's not supposed to so shut the fuck up. please. Stop please we do have to go for an odd break before we do I just WanNa say outside of mailing in your mail in ballots immediately when you get them maybe write letters and buy stamps and send people nice notes that's something that we can do that might. 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Every day Kevin Costner played the president because I think he has. Probably he must've who would. I thought for him playing the President and a movie. Yeah. Absolutely. I would vote for him being the president and also the vice president. And why not consolidate the job cut the faster costs are let's do it. Yeah. Yeah and maybe like Supreme Court to fuck it. Kevin Costner is not I don't think he's played a president. He's played a commander in the Jack Ryan series and he. Four President I forgot about that Shit. Oh. He did that see this is why the post office needs to be funded is Kevin Costner. Endorsed Speed Buddha judge I'm. Back concern unbelievable. Yeah. It's really been a whirlwind for me. Speaking of world wins the elections coming up in November Yup and wait. It's everyone agrees it's going to be terrible and by everyone I mean all of the the people with fancy titles and fancy jobs who work at places like the Atlantic. And places like the Defense Department who are just now being like Oh my God we could have a civil war in this country it. It could happen here they're starting to say these these these. These brilliant. Jeez. Thinkers who are are on the beating pulse of America and realized as soon as the problem hit what could happen here? Here. Yeah, it could happen here one new worst year ever. So it's time to look behind the bastards. A Abashov of year ever these these these modern day cassandras. Have formed a group called the Transition Integrity Project which is basically, it was organized by someone named Rosa Brooks Georgetown law professor, and a former Defense Department official. She's one of the people who who founded it, and they just did basically a big role playing game with a bunch of. Fancy people. Including David Fromm. There and wrote an article about it for the Atlantic and I will be quoting from it. This is the only time I'm ever going to quote from David Fromm article on this podcast and not be just insulting David Fromm because firm was actually at this thing. But it it made the news last week because it was like you know the the gist of this as it was reported on, was that like a bunch of Republicans and Democrats War Gamed out what might happen in the twenty twenty election and it's going to be bad like we're not going to know what happens on election night and almost all of the outcomes are terrible in some way. The only one that has a reasonable chance of not being terrible out the gate is like a massive overwhelming Joe Biden victory they added that happens most people agree. Okay. Trump will probably like more or less. Let things happen the way they're supposed to but anything less than an overwhelming Biden victory is going to be some sort of fucking nightmare and there's a decent. Chance that Joe Biden overwhelming victory would be a nightmare mayor to. But anyway, that was the that was the that was the the story as it came out, and if you actually read into any of these articles they are, there's a reason I, keep referencing my podcast. It could happen here because they're all talking about the stuff that we talked about in it could happen here. I do want to note one thing for people like cody, who are are the same kind of nerd? I, am this was a d tin based. roleplaying system that they used. Like. They used to it was all. Yeah yeah, but they did to randomize the results of certain actions that. We. Take and they had like, basically like you had people you had people who like done jobs in the real world kind of. Gaming out that same job being done by someone else in this situation. So you had, for example, they brought in like media TV anchors and stuff or whatever like p like media personalities to act as the media, and like like respond the way they think the media will hire. Yeah. Don Jobs and dragons, right so yeah, exactly. That is that is pretty good. So Rosa Brooks who's again one of the people who organizes group in the first place kind of summarized. Summarized the results of this game by saying all of our scenarios ended in both street-level violence and political impasse. The law is. It's almost helpless against a president who's willing to ignore it. That's good. Sounds awesome. The recipe for. If it could happen hearing. Thank God I now have my body weight in gas mask filters, which is a normal thing for a person to have next to his pile of ammo that weighs as much as a small car. Things are good in American today. Agree agree hard. Agree hard. Agree thank you So yeah, it's not. Not, Great Niles Gentleman. WHO's a historian who leads research at a think tank called the Berggruen Institute which I'm sure is a shitty think tank because they all are. Another tank because at the think tank but he was one of the organizers of the of the exercise and he stated he doesn't have to win the election. He just has to create a plausible narrative that he didn't lose. which is I think. Very true. While relatively obvious. Yeah. It is. But it's like that's that's all you have to argue is you have to make it be if it's a question like so one of the most basic rules of productive argument is that the burden of proof is on on the person trying to claim that something is occurring nuts. Right. And that's the opposite of how things work in politics because. They'll make. Yeah. Exactly. Is that like Joe Biden. Essentially. Trump has the ability to try to force Joe Biden to prove that the election was legitimate. It's unbelievable. Yes. It's not going to be great but yeah. I think that makes it sound like we're doom. We're not doomed but the thing that will undo US looks a lot like I don't know what's happening in Belarus right now where tens of thousands of people are throwing. Like, Molotov cocktails by the thousand at secured. Anyway I'm just GONNA. Read a quote from a Boston Globe right up of this thing it's talking about one of the founders of this of this thing Brooks got the seed of the idea for the transition integrity project after a dinner where the where a federal judge in a corporate lawyer told her they were convinced the military or the secret service would have to escort trump out of office if he lost the election would not concede brooks wasn't so sure she and Gilman decided to turn the Washington Parlor game and do an actual exercise. So. That's that's interesting to me. Number one that like. The class of people who are involved in a project like this are so separated from reality that normally anything they do is. An exercise in in pure fantasy and the fact that one of these people in this conversation that she's talking about this judge in this lawyer are both. I think kind of yielding fantasy that like the thing that you would expect to have in based on the letter of the law will happen because that's the thing that matters anymore. But there were enough people. Within this kind of completely detached political class who were like no actually, he might just take power. That they actually have took it seriously, and like did a thing about it and I think that's you could see it might be a good sign that like things have gotten bad enough that some members of our famously disconnected political class are actually not wrong about the things that they're saying for the first time any of our lifetimes. I, find it unsettling I find it deeply unsettling part of let my initial reaction to hearing a talking about this is like. Yeah you know that's good. People acknowledging stuff if people had. Covered this differently, if people had talked about this differently years ago, maybe the situation would be different I don't know. Yeah, we can't think about the past now. Okay. nope. That's my motto. Always said that you're right. It's the past. Never, never talked about history on a podcast never I, would never do that so. Yeah it's. It's it's not. Super Optimistic and there's they have a whole report that we'll have a link to that. You can read if you want Yeah. There's a couple of bits I want to go into one of them in this is again from the Boston Globe article quote. Both sides turned out massive street protests that trump sought to control one scenario. He invoked the Insurrection Act which allows the president to use military forces to quell unrest the scenario that began with a narrow Biden win ended with trump refusing to leave the white. House burning government documents and having to be escorted out by the secret service. The theme playing Biden in that scenario meanwhile sought to patch things up with Republicans by appointing moderate Republican governors including Charlie Baker in Massachusetts to Cabinet positions which. I think is actually shows a real understanding of the Democratic Party that like while the president is being forcibly escorted out of the White House by the Secret Service for burning documents the he's Holding Republicans in his cabinet. Yeah. That is what would happen. Yes. Calling Paul Ryan and be like, Hey, you wanna like you being. Making Fuck I forgot the fucking Alaska Lady who was almost vice president Jesus. I forgot her name. I was GONNA make a joke about him making her is vice president I don't know. Nobody, even if he's not be hasty, she's a moderate Republican now. She's She is something else life. existed. Is. Dipping a little bit into Q. and on stuff these days. But yeah, I mean she probably now supports. Camps Yeah. So yes, I broadly speaking so. The scenario that produced the most contentious dynamics over one in which trump won the electoral college and thus the election. But Biden won the popular vote by five percentage points. Biden's team retracted his his election night concession fueled by Democrats angry losing yet another election despite capturing the popular vote as happened in two thousand and two, thousand sixteen and the mock election trump sought to divide. Democrats at one point giving an interview to the intercept a left leaning news outlet saying Bernie Sanders would've won if Democrats had dominated him meanwhile, Biden's team sought to encourage large western states to cede unless pro-democracy reforms were made which. Number One I can absolutely see trump sitting down with Glenn Greenwald? And Greenwald giving him a broadly positive right up during a time like that It could happen couldn't happen. Yeah. I would be yeah. I mean that's already does that St- stuff though trump already talks about Bernie would've won right? Yeah. What I can't imagine and I, I'm an imaginer is Joe. Biden. Encouraging the the West Coast to secede I have no idea what it got that today I will. I will firmly admit that that is something I am predicting will not happen also if they was. You could talk about my. Seeds you're not getting Biden as president you know. No by the Joe Biden. I. Think we would make the president of the Oregon Republic He. He would be our leader as we hid in the mountains and shot at Californians trying to flee once the water runs out. Sorry, guys. GotTa drink you know. If. You make it to the right checkpoint. Anyway. So Yeah. Jesus Christ. It's not it's not a great document to read. And it like the. Most, frustrating piece of media on this is David Frames column for the Atlantic, because again, number one since room was there. If you want an idea of what it was like to be a part of this thing, you do Kinda have to read it. Even. Though David Fromm is history's greatest monster. But also. I'll just just start reading from it quote. Is that trump cannot postpone the election or the next presidential inauguration he has no means to do either of those things. The dates are set by law or in the text of the constitution nor can trump's on how cling to power after inauguration day once the electoral vote is certified against him if the electoral college certifies Joe Biden the winner when it's votes. Are, counted in DC on January sixth. Then at noon on January, Twentieth Donald Trump ceases to be president signature loses all legal effect. The officer carrying the nuclear football walks away the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff does not take his call. The bottom line there do exist outer legal boundaries to the mischief that can be done by even the most corrupt president. That is people honor those boundaries what the what what. What what? Does David Frum limit I am I see this every every month when trump says something wild everyone's like he can't do that. It's against the law. Yeah. What the fuck is talking about it had. been breaking the law every day for years alliance. That's an argument against President doing something and is not an argument against Donald Trump doing something. Foolish he break he breaks the law in so often in so flagrantly. And I love breaking the law. Raking not mentioned this earlier in his executive orders stuff will you get sued? For everything he breaks the law. Yeah he gets sued. Because he's a he's a crime guy. He's the Crime Guy President and it's like so weird like they barely impeached him. Yeah looks like one of the things he's done and David Fromm. Actually, the institutions will say what get out of here. Remember. How we were like, Oh, all of this impeachment stuff is you know taking over the election conversation and ono distracting from the election because of impeachment, and now we barely even remember that he was impeached. Yeah do you remember and you remember when David Fromm worked for a war criminal? WHO's like? Publishing a book about his paintings of immigrants. Now, instead of being imprisoned lake, what are you talking about David? What? We're more for US ROBERT BACK FIRMS COLUMN So. From goes on to like. That that kind of some of the different things that he witnessed In the different games that like this, this group played out the courts offered only slow weak and unreliable remedies. Street protests were difficult to mobilize and often prove counterproductive Republican elected officials coward. Even the face of the most outrageous trump acts democratic elected officials lack the tools and clout to make much difference. Many of the Games turned on who made the first bold move time after time that first mover was trump. and. It goes on to talk about like the scenarios in which Biden's team eventually won team trump still manage to like his words poisoned the political system and he goes on to list some of the things that were done in the game that poison the political system and as I read this, I want you to think about how many of these things have already been done quote. It diverted public resources to trump personally it preemptively pardoned trump associates and family members and tried to part and trump himself from criminal charges including money laundering and tax evasion. It tried to boost long-term economic damage. So as to prevent early economic recovery and boost republic Republican chances in the two, thousand, twenty, two elections, it destroyed hit or privatize public records it tried to sabotage the census to favor Republican redistricting after twenty twenty, it refused to cooperate with the incoming administration during the transition period in ways that aggravated both pandemic response, an economic recovery. It's so pervasive mistrust in the integrity, of us, elections in ways that would polarize and embitter US politics long after twenty twenty. All those. Years ago we're already there. Yeah. With with almost I guess like he hasn't poisoned the transitions team of the new president yet that has not happened. Because like the little events referring to hasn't happened yet so. It's literally impossible to do that. Yeah. It's my favorite of the different possibilities they saw. Was the trump by losing the election and not like failing to sort of contested and moving permanently tomorrow Lago the day after the election and refusing to return to the White House or do any work during the lame duck period, which would be funny like. Legitimately. Pretty. Funny. And also I can totally see happening like him just trolling people for his last time in President and fucking around. Bottom. Lazy in an Asshole. He is. Cody sound. Exactly. Right. And doing something like that, some trolling thing will just played. It was based and whatever thing that he does next starting in media empire I don't know that's what he wanted to all along Yeah. Just play into his hand for that. One of the things that I found kind of personally unsettling about this whole thing. was. So. There's. kind of note that like in a lot of the scenarios when people would wargame out like trump trying to use the military to hold onto power the assumption was that it would not work but they make sort of a note that is really unsettling in their right up of this is the actual transition accountability project right up, which is that basically, it's very possible that people's expectations of how the military would the kind of positive expectations that the military would stand up for democracy are. More or less entirely based on the fact that very recently, the military had kind of stood up to trump during protests and that that isn't necessarily the most realistic thing to base your expectations on because the fact that they kind of stood against him. During a very different sort of situation that happened earlier doesn't mean that they wouldn't back him to the hilt if something like this happen and we shouldn't make that assumption that the military that we can that we can rely on the military to stand up for democracy in a situation like this. A sentence. Yeah to tie. Up, with that I think. It also depends who in the military you're talking about two. Yeah it's yes. Yes. I should ask the navy seal who threw bombs at a bunch of my friends the other night if he would stand for president trump and the. That's the thing that happened in Portland recently. itself. Fake News Robert It does I actually was worried it might be but then a thoroughly reported report came out in the Oregon public. Broadcasting Anyway. Hasn't been arrested yet still out there heavily armed navy seal with a history of domestic violence who've. Anyway Fun, stuff. Up. So the point of all this is that November is going to be the best month ever. Oh Yeah I did Well, that's the thing like it's the worst year ever. But like you, we get a little treat. In, November of. Utter chaos and yeah just to break up the chaos a bit. We'll utter chaos. Exactly I think it's going to bring order to the chaos. US Jordan is our Peterson Oh. Thank God that he has survived both his bout of poisoning himself with an all meat diet and his bout of going to a dangerously unregulated Russian clinic and his bout of catching covid nineteen in Serbia, and we'll be at one hundred percent when democracy really needs him this November exactly. Davis all moment. It's his moment. I love you Jordan Balthasar Peterson up it. Was the worst year ever get through it together or not you making him sound like a muppet you're. Making him sound like that I am Hinson made. Jordan Peter so. That is true. Yeah. You guys are giving me a headache. Sorry, I have a horrible headache horrible headache I think that's just called the twenty twenty. Twenty twenty yeah I think it's called covering protests every single day. Months give. More rubber. No. I don't. I mean I mean thank God but also broadly. There's always. More to say. Well I think we've said it all for today. Yup Yeah despite all of this. I've had fun seeing you guys today. Yeah always enjoy. Yeah. Always if you WANNA see more of us, you can follow us on twitter and Instagram at worst your pod and you can follow cody Dr Mr Cody and Katie at Katie stole and Robert at I right? Okay. Well done selfie and. Prepare for November, there's a variety of useful skills you could invest in. make shields We'll the sling volunteering. For vote counting maybe but probably not. But I actually a non Jordan mentioned this on even more news. There is a real lack of poll workers a severe lack of poll workers being able to step up. Because most poll workers are over the age, of sixty. So if you are healthy and Feel, reasonable risking it. 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Coronavirus cases top 493K in United States

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Coronavirus cases top 493K in United States

"From effects on Hulu Comes Mrs America. The highly anticipated drama explores the dawn of the Nineteen Seventies. Women's rights movement tune in as we explore the story of the equal rights amendments ratification and the unexpected backlash led by. Phyllis schlafly that forever shifted. The political landscape starring an award-winning cast including Cate Blanchett. Sarah Paulson Ouzo Deuba and Elizabeth Banks. Mrs America Premieres April Fifteenth Exclusively on fx on Hulu visit who dot Com for more. We have a lot of important news. We begin as we'd like to do around here during this era with the facts and the latest on the corona virus pandemic which you need to know the US now has four hundred and eighty seven thousand confirmed cases eighteen thousand deaths from this pandemic new federal projections warning. These numbers could spike if the country does ease up on many of the precautions including social distancing in too hasty a manner. It is not time yet to ease up. That is the implication this afternoon at the White House. Corona virus briefing trump tried to sound optimistic. It's heading downward curve. We had a number of one hundred thousand lives as many as that is. It's impossible to even think of it. I think we'll be substantially under that number hard to believe that if you had sixty thousand You can never be happy. But that's a lot fewer than we were originally told and thinking. The president has moved deadlines before and he is proposing a new one. May I but his own. Medical experts are the virus is ultimately the determinant on when to return to any sense of normal life. President also saying there is no need he thinks to test everyone in the nation but take a listen to one of his top health advisors just moments ago speaking to Brian Williams in your perfect world though if dr FAO CI ran the country. Would you test three hundred twenty seven? America a million Americans. I mean obviously you would like to know that. That's not the primary thing right now. The primary thing is to is to essentially turned the corner on those areas that are hardest hit in a perfect world as you said of course as we get months from now and we have an literally an unlimited amount of tests for antibody of course it would be very interesting to see and it could be helpful to us. Many people have actually been exposed. Immune that is a diplomatic way to disagree with the president but the facts at least are available to us. Meanwhile you have these staggering unemployment numbers. The vast majority of the nation remains under lockdown. Meanwhile House Speaker Pelosi says the country could be facing basically a depression. Depending on what comes next and demanding the government do even more to try to uphold and support. This troubled economy right now could have depression because so many people are out of work. And that's why we have to get the system really energized work. Let's get out those unemployment checks. Let's get out those direct payments again by the continuous date unless you just take time but let's be hopeful that it will be soon. Let's be hopeful. There is plenty of bad news here and we will give you the news bad good or in between but I want to show you before we bring in our guests to other hopeful sign here. It is the idea that if you have this antibody test you could determine who is medically potentially protected against the disease those are individuals who might be able to go out in public again more safely and again handing the Mike Back to Dr Faucher. He says that tests could be available as soon as next week. Let's start with the antibody tests. I've heard you say that they have been some have been developed and even validated. Are we really just days away from them? Being in use yes actually at the last test was meeting the the individuals responsible for for both developing validating and getting the test out say and. I'm certain that that's going to happen. That within a period of a week or so. We're going to have a rather large number of tests that are available. That would be great news. I turn out to Dr Natalie as rheumatologist and NBC medical analyst. Michelle Goldberg From The New York. Times AND JERRY. Birds SEEN FORMER CHIEF ECONOMIST. Vice President Biden. Who is now a senior fellow at the center on Budget and policy priorities and as of late has been known for his quick wit. We get to that later. Jared but we begin with the doctor. Walk us through this sliver sliver of potential good news. What is Dr Faucher getting so just to review quickly? I know people have been talking about it all day. But the tests that we have had available up until now the original ones or the swabs that were testing for the genetic material of the virus which would indicate active infection But it did nothing to tell us of prior infection or protection from the virus so the new tests that are that would be out would be the logic tests. They were basically like A few look in the rear view mirror of your immune system it can tell us who was exposed in the past. I thought that was a very nice way to put it that was from one of the NIH people who's actually The lead in a in a study that's being currently done monitored or I should say from the NIH so the whole point year and when we talk about when do we re enter society and we get back to work and all this stuff is. Do we have this test available and do we have at scale of all my concern? Is that the same way. They talked about rolling out. All of these tests for swab and the genetic testing is who is going to be a candidate for testing. It's not gonNA be were. They won't be able to scale it up to do the entire population. Will I be four healthcare workers? Which are very important group. Will it be for folks in nursing home or something like that like those more vulnerable populations I so? It's definitely good news. We need to have this test. It's just the practicality of it and logistically how it's going to be rolled out and how it will be utilized remains to be see Dr. Are there lessons from other places or other similar analogues history will no? That's the thing we've never had to to. My knowledge have to do this this quickly. But antibody testing the serologic testing always comes along anything and bacterial infections viral infections. But but the need to have it or office so quickly not that I am not that I'm aware of now before I bring in the non doctor so to speak. I also WANNA play for you. Some of the reporting. We have goes to this brewing controversy. That at a practical level the president is not helping. That's the nicest way I could sit. Many would argue. He's hurting it. Which is as we get around any potential corner. How do we stay vigilant? Rather than easing up on distancing and other precautions to soon. I'll take a listen. Dr How am I feeling I would say honestly? I'm a angry right now. I don't understand why the sidewalks the pats the parks are filled with people with groups of people. We're seeing people of all ages. Come into the hospital. Get intimated and go to the ICU. We're seeing people die alone in their rooms because it is not safe for them to have visitors and we have data that shows now that social distancing works Dr. That's a physician's assistant just describing one slice in Chicago and the IDEA OF PEOPLE. Walking around makes her angry because of what? She's seeing urinalysis of of that perspective and vigilance. That may still be needed. Absolutely there's no reason to think that we're not gonNA see cases again if we if we become complacent now I could make multiple different analogies to the treatment of arthritis or someone who's going through chemotherapy. There's a tumor respond to any. Just stop you know. There's there's of course. There's no precedent and we're going to rely on public health experts epidemiologists to tell us how quickly or slowly we can start this nuanced phase back. In the only thing I would say that would be different. God forbid should we have a second curve is that we will have a significant proportion of the population who we assume is immune if they've had it You know if they were infected in the past but even with these antibody tests which we probably won't have available for everyone we don't know exactly how much immunity is conferred by even having the antibody present in the blood and for how long it lasts and on that point. Michelle Goldberg Ruth. Bader GINSBURG famously wrote when defending different government policy that protected people civil rights policy. She said if your umbrellas working in the storm. That's not a reason to chuck it to the CY and there is a simple aspect to this. Michelle that we've seen. Where sometimes people in this case? Donald trump argue well. Well this is work. So stop. And it's really seems counterintuitive Michelle. You're hearing a lot from the right that you know people projected there might be a hundred thousand two hundred thousand deaths and now there's only project the productions as sixty thousand deaths so that shows that those projections were wrong as opposed to that shows that the interventions are working right. If you kind of say will now. The people who made those predictions have been discredited in. We don't have to take their advice. You're basically you're throwing away. The only thing that saved us from those much higher numbers you know. I think you're already seeing From some Republicans in Congress from some Republicans in particularly conservative states. You're seeing some of the same logic beccles into climate denial this kind of distrust of models this distrust of experts. This sense that any kind of demand for limits on individual freedom in the name of greater good must be part of some kind of liberal conspiracy. You're seeing that. I think it's going to become more attracted it's going to become a more attractive message to a Lotta evil more. They feel their own lives. Intolerably disrupted I think they're gonNA WANNA believe leaders who say there's a different way which is why it's so irresponsible when the president of the United States Gestures that direction we listen to Michelle I was thinking that a lot of people also will be very compelled to get back to work as soon as possible. I kind of think about the economic situation at the level of what people are going through now is two groups. One group of still drawing a paycheck in one group. Who isn't and if you're one of these people who's clicking in zoom meetings all day long you're in the group that still drawing a paycheck and in we're in much better shape than the other folks not only are they oftentimes a couple of weeks away from real probation of interns just meeting their basic needs paying their rent putting food on the table but the measures that have been invoked. The fiscal measure with the Federal Reserve is doing those are all potentially helpful. But they've got to get out there. I think you were playing. Nancy Pelosi herself a few minutes ago. Saying we legislate some really important interventions. Here we know when it comes to unknowing insurance checks to households for small businesses. The pipes are clogged and that kind of mutation problem really needs to be addressed. Asep why here you on the zoom meetings The the news business remains largely busy given this pandemic. We've been holding those kind of meetings. In fact we held one today. We did a going away tribute to one of our great producers. Launched this show Ellen but we had to do it over resume but as you say. We're also lucky to have jobs jared. I want to show something that really gives just a quick snapshot of the Economic Hardship. You're talking about many of the people without jobs through again. Let's be clear no fault of their own people who went to work every day did everything they were supposed to pay their taxes and all of a sudden boom there without a job. This is San Antonio Express News which did reporting and shows thousands of cars. You're looking at thousands of cars at a food bank saying we can't feed this many We also have some of the line at a San Antonio Food Bank which served ten thousand families yesterday. And Jared across the board to your point much of what we're seeing this aerial shot. This is this is America right now. We're we're we're struggling to find ways to show it jared but it is tragic it is sad it is desperate and I want to reemphasize as is so often the case that people who are hungry in America often are hungry because of what I guess you would call macroeconomic factors not could. They did something wrong. Jared very much so this is precisely what I'm talking about I. I guess I really never seen a picture like that before it's It's just the as jaw dropping as the kind of macroeconomics I I've been looking at and talking about let me just make one quick policy point remarkably and I think very wrong headley for all the useful things that have gone into the measures that we pass so far. We've actually left out snap which is nutritional support for low income families facing precisely the kinds of problems that the people in those cars are looking at and as we move toward a phase or a plan it should really include above maybe fifteen percent one hundred dollars a month for a family of four in in snapper nutritional assistance. There's something very well by the way the last time we were in this situation. I mean get Michelle. We're going to put up again. Just just so folks can let it sink in The cars which is families every one of those cars has a person or a family. Michelle that are just trying to get food. Well and I want I mean obviously a big part of this is the kind of macroeconomic crisis but part of it is a policy crisis in confidence in the disbursement of aid incompetence in getting people the benefits that they need letting them apply for the loans that they need letting fly or the unemployment insurance that they need boring meeting to make hundreds and hundreds of phone calls just to get through to somebody to begin the process of applying for unemployment insurance Meanwhile The Washington Post has a story today. Labor Secretary of Labor Secretary believes that unemployment benefits are too generous for some people in his taking the steps to curtail them is taking deliberate steps to make them less available. The people working in the GIG economy is taking steps to protect businesses that want to reduce benefits or reduce leave for some of our employees. So hard this is an act of God in active nature and part of this is a combination of policy malevolence policy incompetence. Well about the jared. We're about to go. I got to say as promised first of all you told a joke. An economic joke. That was so bad and I say that as someone who knows about bad jokes that it was criticized by Stephanie Rule But then it was reposted on instagram by fifty cent himself. So I wanNA give you the chance. If you have any more economics humor chase today. I will tell you real quick jared that I spoke to Richard Lewis a legendary comedian and he said as a Jewish bad joke this year. We take the Matsen. Wrap it in. Its Usual Offi. Komen we wrap it in facemask. That's from Richard Lewis. Do you have anything jared? Oh it's funny. You should mention fifty cents because I thought given recent increases in inflation that his name was now sixty four cents. But I don't know maybe I'll have to go back and recalculate well. I don't have anything it's just. It's every time you know what it is every time you don't by which. I mean you do deliver and I can see why you'd be Great Lecture Economics Teacher. Just do the next cycle of me telling economics junk. You're and we'll let it roll a bit. Michelle and doctorate. Yeah I'm not going to put them on the spot but because because they can't do it the way you do it but I do feel that we all need our levity we can take you know the definition of a Keynesian economist in Washington right now. It's a Republican in the middle of a recession with Republican in the White House. That's what banks a Keynesian economist Today if you think about it because back when Larry doing hacking we messed up the Republicans. Were Sniping at us. Like you wouldn't believe but you put your your follow up though is more political because you're referring to the fact that there's a lot of hypocrisy when you were in the Obama Biden team and the the claims about deficits and the rest of your I joke was just a classic terrible joke. Jared Bernstein. Thank you Dr Arnn. Thank you for putting up with us and Michelle. You're coming back later in the hour. Let me tell you what we have because we have something special. If you watch the beat you may know. We haven't been on air for a couple of days. But we have something we've been working on a fact check on some of the most dangerous lies and misconceptions about this virus covering everything from the president to Fox News too garlic and the five G. phone network and if you know someone who's been struggling with facts they'll want to see this also later tonight. Lee Daniels joins me to talk about the pandemic and how it's affecting culture entertainment and art. We're also going to hear some of the voices of healthcare workers on the frontlines right now in the past two weeks. I've probably seen as much depth as I've seen in the past three years. They're all trying to breathe. They're struggling they are required. Some medical help attention. They're almost drowning from the inside in the sense that they're trying to breathe but they can't we see that and and it breaks our hearts and it's also tough because I'm thinking this might be me. We have a lot more up ahead. Say with US tonight. Remember you're watching the beat on MSNBC with all the uncertainty in the world feeling safe at home has never been more important. It's why if you haven't already you need to check out simply safe home. Security their longtime friends of our show and for good reason simplisafe has made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home. There's no technician or salesperson that needs to come and disrupt your house. You don't need to pay any outrageous monthly fees or sign a two year contract. You just order online. Set it up yourself and under an hour really. It was that fast when I did it at my place and your home is protected. 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Search for why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe this. Corona virus pandemic has us all through a crash course in gathering medical information. Your safety can depend on gathering the right knowledge and right now being misinformed can be a matter of life and death which does bring to mind an old saying prominent families often. Forget a simple truth. I've found which tooth is that knowledge is power if knowledge is power then ignorance can make you weak right now and can make you more susceptible to probably heading towards bad decisions based on. Bad Information. We've seen that among our own leaders. It's a little like the regular flu. It's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear now finding out that. This virus is now transmitting before people see signs. Those individuals could have been infected people before they ever felt bad well. We didn't know that until the last twenty four hours. The more I learn about this the less there is to worry. And unless you have a comparable an immune system is compromised and you're older and your other underlying health issues. You are not going to die ninety nine percent from this virus wrong. This is where we can apply some side the prince lyrics to Hannity and trump. All you do is tell stories you a campfire. You can barely hold your water. You a damn liar. These damn lies are dangerous. Many Americans are eyeing all of these competing claims assessing misinformation that ranges from politicians to also friends to a spike of online rumors. We're seeing viral conspiracy theories and pitches promising corona virus cures which are worthless. And all this brings us to our special report right now. Confronting that you or your friends might be hearing about this virus and we're going to report out the medical science so you stay informed and safe because this is important. Consider this tonight. If you will a kind of informational inoculation to prevent the spread of wrong and dangerous. Misinformation take a youtube video that netted hundreds of thousands of us before it was taken down because it was false information falsely suggesting that simple hot air could kill this virus. Gruner viruses easily killed in less than fifteen minute at just fifty six degrees Celsius or one hundred thirty three degrees Fahrenheit. The common widely available held blow dryer used for drying hair contains a heating element and fan that instantly deliver forced hot air temperatures. They will kill corona virus even faster that false claim spread in so many ways but the World Health Organization has spoken out about it advising that blow drying your sinuses or any type of dryer is not a valid way to combat the virus the W. H. O. Goes on to say that exposing yourself to warm temperatures or living in a warmer climate does not also kill a prevent the virus in that. You need to know that side of how backwards things can get. We want to warn you. Some copies of that video are circulating on sites and they falsely used the logos of the W. H. O. And the CDC which of course fact check them to try to trick people into thinking that those groups indoors or associated with the presentation. Then there's some folklore with ancient roots. We've all heard about combating vampires with garlic and there are many tips online about garlic is a homeopathic remedy with various health benefits potentially helping reduce the risk of heart disease for example or boosting your immune system and that's fine as far as it goes but around the world have now been these viral rumors that you could use garlic as a kind of virus vaccine a false facebook post earlier this year claiming the chopped garlic with boiling water could cure corona virus overnight. Of course this is false again the. Who FOUND ENOUGH CONFUSION ABOUT IT? That they published guidance stressing. There's no evidence of that as a method of remedy. This misinformation is damaging if people focus on doing something worthless which might provide a false sense of security instead of following the scientific precautions and again if you want something true. These precautions are clean. Your hands often with soap or hand. Sanitizer that has at least sixty percent alcohol for over twenty seconds. Don't touch your eyes nose and mouth right now and yes stay six feet away from other people and of course stay home. Cover your mouth and nose if you cough. Meanwhile it's also damaging if people follow the bad advice. I just mentioned about garlic. Too extreme degrees there was a woman in China was hospitalized for eating over three pounds of garlic over about two weeks. That'd be on mistake and treatments. There also baseless corona virus conspiracy theories about how we got here an online rumors. Speculating on whether some five G. phone technology would spread. The virus is information. Speculating on this is actually some kind of bio weapon. And it's not just random talk. This has taken hold online. The most watched video Lincoln. Five Geeta Corona virus has been viewed over a million times a similar youtube video. We've found was shared to over one hundred thousand people accounts I should say. Shared it over one hundred thousand times on facebook and there are celebrities with larger followings that contributed to that spread one sharing the video two million followers touting. Innuendo from Dr on Disciplinary Probation. Anybody WANNA make one. Guess is to wear the first completely blanketed. Five G. City in the world was exactly nope. Claims are backed by evidence. The point about China was actually South Korea. That was I too widely. Use Five G. But more broadly and more importantly researchers have not found that there is this kind of damage from mobile phone use networks but the conspiracy has gotten so far the health expert that so many Americans turned to most doctor was asked about it and he down. No you deal professional documents real research route numbers in science. Have you come across this hoax about this food? The rotavirus actually caused by five tennis. I haven't thank goodness as you guys know. Better than anybody. Social media can really be advantageous for the spread of important information but it certainly could be damaging for the spread of garbage and. That's an important context. Your doctor fouled. She has been doing a wide range of interviews partly for that point including beyond the traditional news. He's been going online. He's been going on social media because he understands and he's been teaching all the getting. The facts out is part of how we stem the spread of this virus then beyond conspiracy theories or online viral videos. Accuracy today also requires that we note something unfortunate the misinformation that has spread the farthest which is measurable with the largest consequences has actually been coming from the Oval Office itself. President trump not only lying about his administration's response. Downplaying the virus early on downplaying how it would spread downplaying wearing masks which the CDC recommends right now and then more recently breaking with medical experts to touted unproven drug as some kind of potential treatment. Now a drug called caloric win in some people would add to it. Hydroxy I dramatically. This is a common malaria drug. So we know that if if things don't go as planned it's not going to kill anybody we hear good things. Let's see maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't I feel good about it. It's very effective. It works. What the Hell do you have to lose? Okay doctor say you have a lot to lose by experimenting with Unproven Drugs? The FDA has started fast tracking the distribution of this one for six patients but the CDC emphasizes there are no FDA approved drugs to prevent or treat this virus right now doctors on the Front Lines. Also emphasizing Donald. Trump's approach. There was flat wrong. They emphasize again. Patients may lose their health or life here because the drugs side effects especially when misuse can include cardiac arrest one man in Arizona. Dying after mistakenly taking a different toxic form of that drug his widow now says they were listening to Donald Trump on television and tried using that parasite treatment for fish which had similar ingredient and even after that death in the very same week. Fox News promoted the same medication over one hundred times which adds to a series of questionable accounts there about this pandemic virus like the flu. If you are over the mass hysteria if you're over politicizing weaponising of the corona virus. You are not alone unless you have accomplished an immune system in this compromise and you are older and your other underlying health issues. You are not going to die. Ninety nine percent from the virus. It is absolutely disgusting. That Democrats are seeking to use this complex virus to score cheap political points score points. GimMe a break. People treating this deadly pandemic like a game are the ones you just saw projecting their own quote disgusting problems on others chatting down doctors with their own agenda. And let's be clear in the case of some on Fox News some of their coverage here. It is hurting their own audience. Remember how we began tonight. Ignorance makes you weak and vulnerable with a threat like this and there are surveys on this showing a majority of people who get information from Fox. Still think the virus threat is overblown. They're more likely to downplay it even compared to other Republicans. If you don't get your information from Fox News or online conspiracy theories you're less likely to think it's overblown because it's not overblown. This is a pandemic wiping out lives everywhere. It goes wiping out more lives in this country than any other on that map behind us here. This has frozen life as we know it. It's tanked the economy because the alternative would be even worse. A higher death toll that would also still be taking the economy but let's be clear for Fox viewers especially perilous the median age. There is sixty seven that mostly older audience especially vulnerable if they contract this virus and as we just showed you. They've been told to basically downplay now. Those are specific examples. You hear some new story or theory or cure all and you're not sure what to think. Which is understandable this is where the scientific method and the journalistic method are similar. I'll tell you basically I check the source are you looking at a scientific organization like the CDC or journalistic outlet like The New York Times. Then you might be better off but second. Are you sure you know what you're looking at verify? Don't just look at say a logo or headline. Make sure the material looking at matches the correct website. If you think you're on a website if you see something. That's a picture an excerpt on facebook or social media. You think it might not look right or you think it has medical advice go verify that the original source we're talking about your life the health of you and your family so don't just take the facebook picture go verify and third before you take any action based on something that you find. Obviously yes check with a doctor or a nurse or a healthcare professional. This is not a time to diy your preventive medicine. Now we have just meticulously tried to go through several sources of misinformation including sadly the president. So you have the facts but just because we're fact checking doesn't mean there isn't a wealth of information out there. I don't WanNa be too negative right now. In fact for all those comparisons to say the nineteen eighteen flu epidemic that we've heard about which killed an estimated fifty million people. There is one clear contrast today. That's good news. We have medicine and we have stronger. Communication systems to prevent the scale of the way. The disease spread that time. So it's not only the actions we take but the facts that inform our actions which can continue to save lives. This is what I'm telling you tonight. Truth itself helps combat the spread of this virus with that in mind before we end our special report we didn't want to turn from the misinformation and the trump briefings to for you. Some solid information you're going to hear from. Us has been vetted public health. Experts and scientists in life depends on Japan. Stay home and and you know. Don't see anyone going through a period of time. Now we got as a country full together. Let's pull together with facts David from his here. He joins me when we're back in just thirty seconds. We're back with David. Fromm who served in the George W Bush White House and writes for the Atlantic is new book is called Trump Pakalitha restoring American democracy. David where do you see facts and science fitting into these challenges right now? What you said was so powerfully. True what we're seeing is a race between American government that is not working in the American civil society that is working People Finding from their communities themselves the resources to be ready for this terrible pandemic at a time. When the national government is failing and some states are magnificently stepping into the gap other states. Doing less well. We thought we'd solve that problem and seven seven at apparently not early beyond we still have a differential with states in a week nation state. Do you think there is some sort of sliver? I always use the word. Sliver because there's a lot of tough stuff happening but sliver upside when people do gravitate back towards faxon reminded that in this so-called post-truth era trump's war on truth. We need this more than ever. I think look the past three years. I mean if you are someone who's been very focused on public affairs your journalistic for someone who works in government Highly informed person. Who's watching the show you've seen an erosion of norms and standards but most people who are busy Said well what does that mean to me? That seems like Washington. Talk here in my neighborhood. There are jobs. The economy is growing. My 401k is up. These are very abstract concerns and what everyone is discovered. The past eight weeks is twelve. Weeks now is what it means when the government fails what it means when information is collected in China and put into the system and not read what it means when no one steps up what it means when you don't pay the bills to maintain the ventilator so that even though the government has purchased ventilators and stored them when they come out of stores they turn out to be broken because they weren't maintained suddenly all of those things matter enormously. Take a listen to bill bar. Who's out there speaking beyond his own expertise just like the president has at times here. It is. I'm sorry I don't have the sound. I got confused but I'm GonNa read it to you and he says it's disappointing to see the politicization of these decisions. The President before he said anything about the malaria drew mentioned earlier. There was fair and balanced coverage of this promising drug. He's basically making the argument that it's actually the response toward the president. Says that is the problem? The new leader of the opposition in Great Britain gave an introductory interview. We're talking about the role that he saw for opposition in a time like this and he he said cure starmer. I'm not going to oppose the sake of opposing but where opposing can lead us to better outcomes better decisions than the duty of an opposition. Serves the public. So what what does happen? What we're seeing right now is this administration has not. It's idled away. It's time and even now in April we're past the point. Where testing would help. The administration is doing nothing on tracing. Which is the next step testing tracing quarantine? They're not working. There's a devastating story. Today's Washington Post but the complete failure of the administration to step that up so criticism is not done to be mean or to be nasty as the president. Says it's done because people's lives are on the line. The federal government is failing. Some of the states are working. Many are not and people need to know that they can demand better from the people who salaries they pay. Yeah which goes back as you said the link between where we in terms of truth in this country and where we in terms of accountability for the government when everyone is reminded right now is they're under shelter in place orders and dealing with these rules. That government has to be answerable to you on public safety. David Fromm thank you so much. Thank you appreciate it. We'RE GONNA fit in a break but when we come back. The virus impacting people around the globe in that includes arts culture in Hollywood Lee. Daniels is here live tonight but I am not date on trump exploiting the virus to push his agenda gutting oversight and now we are just discussed holding him accountable. The White House is putting emphasis every day on the idea that it is working on the pandemic. Let me show you right now. Behind the scenes at trump administration at times is exploiting the pandemic and the associated concerns as a pretext to push its own agenda many experts. Saying some of what's going on has nothing to do with combating the virus. Take a look for example at this. Washington Post reporting tighter immigration controls relaxing environmental regulations tax cuts and stricter curbs on voting all forging ahead on that within the pandemic trump continuing a pre. Cova Persian government. As well very important we want you to know. He's fired two key watchdogs. They're called inspectors general and they would have overseen your taxpayer dollars on the newly passed two trillion dollar package. Another who notified Congress about Ukraine call which led to trump's impeachment was also ousted during all of this heading into the weekend and then you have and I mentioned some of this earlier. What Attorney General? Bill has been up to listen to him supporting trump's actions. I think the president did the right thing and removing Atkinson. The president has every right to be frustrated because I think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in American history and the whole of events while he was president to sabotage the presidency the man who leads the DOJ saying basically the Mueller probe and other things that happened at the DOJ which sabotaging donald trump. We want you to know what they're up to and we'll keep you posted. I'M GONNA fit at break when we come back something different and something uplifting for the end of the week filmmaker Lee Daniels is here live on the power of art and movies during adversity. We've been reporting the impact of Krona virus on every aspect of American life these days and that doesn't include as well the larger culture that make so much of life worth living music entertainment. We've seen musicians inspire and change. What they do concerts from home. We've seen layoffs as well and so many industries that we rely on to get us through our weeks the La Times reporting. On how hard it has been felt in Hollywood detailing a ripple effect on many facets of production affecting not only the people we see on screen like actors and bigshots like directors but the hairstylist makeup artist. Everyone who puts together such a big part of our culture and economy to get into this a little bit here at the end of a long week. I am thrilled to tell you. We are joined by Oscar nominated director and writer. Lee Daniels is TV. Series Empire actually halted production of the final series of the season's final series. I should say because of Cova. Good to see you sir. A Sir how are you longtime? No I'm you look you look great. I'm okay I appreciate you coming through. I'M GONNA start it up like this Lee I'm GonNa start it up with a little moment. Remember remind everyone of this. Show that people which is mentioned halted for the safety of everyone involved. Let's take a look. I would like to propose a town. You guys have been through a lot but look at the new first couple of empire. You'll you'll have to excuse me taming. Well the drama Lee people say that shows dramatic you know that yes onstage. Well Sir tell us about a year to make this decision to cut it short. Where do you go from here? What's the creative process? Yes man I mean you know. We're living in. Un chartered territories right now. It was very strange when we when the plug was pulled. We didn't really know you know when I was going down. We didn't know just what to do whether or not we should run for the hills whether we shut down production In our crew. They're tough but I thought at the end of the day that it was just smart just like call it a day. You know so. We were in the writer's room writing the episodes for the finale and we were shooting in the middle of shooting a three episodes prior to that. So that's when all hell broke loose so we don't have an answer quite yet. We're trying to figure that out right now. So does it change the way you resolved the plot taken. Yes as being cut off Jay here. Also we try to stay relevant. So how do we bring into? How do we bring when we do come back? How do we bring this all into it? All that makes any sense sure. And we've got people dealing with this all over the world. We've got young people who planned to come out and start a job or start a life and now they're part of this pandemic generation. Do you think there will be art? That comes out of this right now. I think some of the best. I know some of my best work will come out of it. I think. Some of the best Art from from artists from writers from directors. I think some of the best work that we ever had that were capable of will come from this darkness from darkness. There is light a so much of your work that people know a precious. We mentioned empire deals with race in America race. Right now is cutting through this crisis as well mayor de Blasio this week saying Black New Yorkers twice as likely to die from the virus. I'm curious your views on that in that part of this story Areas Harper me to even talk about Hollywood. When I think about family I you know I think It's hard to meet even grasp empire or the work that I'm Billie holiday but I'm doing right now. It's hard for me to think about that when I ask family members that work in stores that work in hospitals that that are working with people day to day that are struggling so it's easy for them to be told to. It's easy for everybody to say. Stay inside when you're dealing with family members that are actually it's very upsetting. It's very upsetting. So that's my focus right now. My focus is my family. We got about thirty seconds left. What what did you tell me? What was the best thing to do when they start their day? Many people stuck at home. I pray I pray. France is going to be a good day is going to be a bad day. How am I going to get into? How am I gonNA get into my routine? What's going on? Start with a prayer. It's easy I appreciate that. I think we could miss you. I miss you too. I mean this is what I sell everyone. Every day I get up in you know I get to talk to people through the screen just like people doing that on zoom and face on. But it's nice to see you this way. I'M GONNA fit in a break. Well let's do it in person when when it's when the CDC cosigns it you stay safe to. Okay Buddy. Thank you sir. We will be right back. Thanks for watching. Stay safe stay informed and keep it right here on. Msnbc HEY everyone still buyers from NBC News This Week on my podcast buyer's market. I talk one on one with Youtube. 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"I'm harry littman. Talking fences around table that brings together. Prominent former federal officials and special guests. Like senator amy klobuchar congressman at him. Shift stacey abrams david fromm al franken congresswoman katie porter. Ron clain ashu gaba. Rick wilson engaged in lively conversations about the political and legal issues that matter most you can find us everywhere. You get your podcasts. This is a cbc podcast there. I'm rosemarie barton. Elamine mood and this is party lines. It has been a long time since we've seen some financial numbers from the government. Their balance sheet. Looks like how scarier those big red numbers. We should hopefully get a better sense of things next monday when the unveil be economic update. But i'm curious to know what it might say how they plan to manage this next stage of the pandemic but i was a pretty big deal to see the prime minister back in front of his own front door last week and again this week the of thing that we saw way back the start of this pandemic are we seeing a shift in the prime minister's messaging once again who is he talking to and are canadians actually listening to do it so So is is a strangely enough. The exact word that the prime minister is started off his press conference with last friday when he emerged from his front door. Out of reto cottage. So was how we started it because he went on for about ten minutes of adler bean To canadians about how bad the situation was how much worse it was gonna get if we didn't Crackdown and how he was upset to be back where he was. I don't want to be here this morning. You don't want me to be here this morning. The here we are again he came back again on tuesday To deliver a lot of the same message. I wanna play a little bit of that before we start talking about whether anyone's hearing him we cannot be complacent now. Remember if you catch covid. Nineteen this week vaccine in. The coming months won't help you. We've seen restrictions increase across the country over the past few days and canadians are taking extra care to stay home. But i want to remind you nothing that we do today. We'll bring the numbers down this week. This week's numbers were already determined by behaviors last week and the week before what we can expect today is what our country looks like a week two weeks from now so continue doing your part to keep yourself your family and your loved ones safe around this time of year. Ella mean people start to watch That bill murray movie groundhog day Children also enjoy because they don't quite understand why we're in this constant loop of doing the same thing again and again and then making fresh mistakes. Every time. And i have to say i feel. That's where we're at As a country. And i feel that's where the prime minister is at two. I am not sure That the rhetoric as honest and sincere as it may be is actually going to have an impact on canadians. Well i don't think it is. I don't think it is either because you know the part that feels familiar from all of that. Aside from the everything about it. Is that trudeau. Kind of initially made himself the face of the initial phase the pandemic and it kind of worked right like way back in march and april like it really work like all of these press conferences. Did these really big numbers. You know partly fueled by the fact that people just didn't know what was going on so they tuned in this kind of help to have a consistent presence every day at eleven you know consistently ten minutes late every day which is also super helpful. But i watch them now and i honestly curious when i hear that like who is this for like all of this admonishment. All this sounds like kinda scolding. I don't know who that is for Because we have to actually ask the question of like who is he. The prime minister of the key is he the prime minister of people who work from home. Yeah but a lot of people and the state home message will resonate with them. But like that ain't all of us you know there's a lot of people have to work from home and then there's also people who Have to leave home. And and i get that the people were from home. There are significant political constituency there the middle class There the middle class in those working hard to join them. They vote but like they're not the working class. And those are the people who are be most affected by this pandemic and so every time that a here that it just sounds so out of touch to me with the reality of a lot of people who have to regularly leave their house because they have to go. Work in grocery stores are after work in meat plans or have to go work in factories. So i'm i'm constantly curious who the prime minister is speaking to. I think that's a fair question. I think i would. I would have a different take. He did in his comments on friday. speak about frontline workers being heroes and i don't think he just means healthcare workers. I think he means some of the people. You're talking about two people who are in the grocery store making sure. I have things to bring home to cook and all those kinds of people to but i would suggest another group of people that may be. He's not getting too. You know when. I listened to him on friday and then again on tuesday i was frustrated. Because i'm doing all these things and lots of people are doing all these things and even said on friday you know. I know you see people not doing these things but you can't not do them so if he's if he's not talking to me because i'm doing what i'm supposed to do. Is he actually penetrating into the people that that weren't doing in the first place. And i think the answer is probably not at probably not because a the things. We've talked about many times before people are tired out. Were nine months in. They've done this before they don't wanna do it again. And they're less fearful than they were in spring. I also think though that the prime minister's words can only go so far the things that have to happen at the same time that he is talking and maybe this is why he waited until now to use the symbolism of returning to his home and indeed working from his home. More is because you have to have with his rhetoric restrictions. You have to have lockdowns in different parts of the country. We're certainly getting more of that now. With a berta getting on board after lots of criticism cisco and seems to be moving in that direction. Manitoba's done toronto and peel. The atlantic bubble is burst. The north has parts of lockdowns. I mean it's everywhere. So you need his words. You need a partial lockdown and then the other part and i think this is what you're getting at. Is you need economic support to be there because otherwise all those people you're talking about who don't have a choice who who want their businesses to survive can't do anything you know that they're they're really stuck. I i just want to point. I was watching the alberta press conference on tuesday night and listening to like mask mandates bureau and. It just reminded me that like. Oh yeah we don't all live in the same world like so some. Some locales are just now greeting universe of having to wear masks everywhere that they have. They have to go like some of us. I by that. I mean me in toronto. Also lots of other places have been there for months. And i think that's just a really interesting kind of divide but like i think you hit the nail on the head when you said like when you go out you see. The people wear masks. Like i do too everywhere i go. People are wearing masks on public transit. People are wearing masks in the grocery stores in a rare masks. So this tone this this this notion that that message not getting through frankly like is just not supported by maybe anecdotal but like the life that i'm living when i see people everywhere wearing those masks so there was this startling report from the toronto foundation. A couple of weeks ago the found that people earning less than thirty thousand dollars are five times more likely to catch covid than people. Making one hundred and fifty thousand dollars seem report also found that black latin-american and era bh folks have cove in nineteen infection rates. That are seven times higher than white residents of the city. So when i hear the prime minister's message his message now is landing in this environment. That's been deeply shaped by the inequality of who's getting covert in march. We were all kind of equal because like this thing was of unknown. But now we know how it spreads so just feels so outdated To hear the prime minister talk about. Oh stay home. don't visit your loved ones. And it's like if i have the data. Tell me that. Poor and working class folks racialized. People are getting more effective by covid. Nineteen sodas the prime minister. If i have the date of the says the spread in the workplace has contributed to a massive portion of the acceleration. Recently sodas the prime minister so telling people to focus on that individual responsibility like it just hit different. Yeah those are all. I'm really glad you brought up all those statistics so important to keep in mind that that yeah people are affected by this differently. It is not all the same. Maybe the first two weeks of march. We're all the same but that's about it I mean you know the federal government is we've talked about like quite limited in many ways in terms of what they can do they did. This week finally opened up the rent. Subsidy program for businesses who can start applying retroactively at the beginning of december which will make a big difference for a small business That is worried about surviving through the christmas season. The original rent program Everyone sort of viewed it as terrible because it didn't actually help businesses it went through landlords then decided if they apply and then give it to their their tenants so it didn't actually give direct support to business owners themselves. The wage subsidy has been prolonged now until june so companies know that they could keep their employees On their on their payroll longer if they're worried about closing so so there are some support there for for some parts of the economy but the other thing that struck me In terms of what the prime minister is now saying how the government is now trying to frame this is that whereas in the spring we saw contradiction between public health and the economy. Now he sees that the two are one in the same he. You will hear him say now that the economy will only survive if we put these strict public health measures in place as needed that. If we don't do that the economy cannot come roaring back Because there will be too many cases people will be too deeply affected too. Ill and i think that that's i think to me. I if there's something that might resonate and i don't think it'll resonate everywhere but if there's something that might resonate it might be that the idea that those two things together in order to save both our health and our our economic wellbeing and being curious about whether they'll end up introducing more Economic support because if the supports are in place now which of course they've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on are not quite at the level that prevent people from from having to go to work even though they're sick they're still going to work and they're getting sick of those places. It's like what more can you do. Well there certainly is more you. Can you can probably more of an incentive for those people to stop going into work and figure out a way to stop those spreads in those places because right now. It's clearly not enough so i i think it cuts both ways when we talk about Protecting workplaces but also protecting workers. Yeah i'll i'll just on this on my little tv. Show that. I do on sundays. I had a. i had a young woman on. Who's a doctor in in brampton Because i also spoke to the brampton mayor but her mom works at an amazon warehouse in the area and every day she yelled at her mom about going to work at the amazon warehouse. Because you know close proximity. There's only so much they can do to protect workers but of course this is where we're all getting our stuff right now right where a lot of our stuff and she wants someone to tell her. Mom you can't go to work. You're not going to lose your job. We will keep you healthy. And no one's able to do that And the brampton mayor said well you know we could use an un- an isolation center in our communities that if someone has to leave their house and self isolate we could use paid sick days which i know is making its way through the senate right now but it struck me just coming from this this young woman. Who's a doctor just by chance. And who's having this conversation with with her mom about about the very thing that the prime minister is talking about but which is so hard to reconcile for her mom for her and for the minister. The brampton story really hits home because over. The toronto star reported that you know the neighborhoods that have the highest rates of covid. Nineteen like brampton northeast is at the top of the list and nothing about that is surprising. Given how many warehouses how many factories that are there. So there's something to be said for rethinking the approach that we are taking to supporting these workers mean yes. There are financial supports on clearly for some workers at the center of of going to work is is is higher than than collecting those supports is there is there more that can be done on the front of enforcing rules. So that workplaces actually have to screen workers before they get in you know incurs employees to stay home if they're sick and be paid if they're if they're if they're still saying homesick There's a lot more that can be done on that front and that feels like the next conversation they need to have. I'm harry littman. Talking fences around table that brings together. Prominent former federal officials and special guests. Like senator. Amy klobuchar congressman adam. Chef stacey abrams david from al franken congresswoman katie quarter. Ron claim ashu gaba. Rick wilson engaged in lively conversations about the political and legal issues. That matter most you can find us everywhere. You get your podcasts. In one thousand nine hundred ninety five. A college student disappeared on a trip across the usa. Avid portia missing. Right away. but they wouldn't take it so. His mother started investigating the case file. I started going through and saw people. That wasn't interviewed. I joined this mother. Search for justice or you recording us i am. Someone knows something season six available now. It has been a minute since we talked about money. So let's talk about money in this expensive as hell pandemic This week we learned that the government is going to give us a fiscal update. This coming monday We should remind folks that we have not had a budget in this country since march of two thousand nineteen. I missed budgets rosie. I missed a ceremony. I missed the the pomp and circumstance of budgets But also i miss the level of detail because a a budget is good. I notice exactly where we stand with. The plan is going forward You and i were going to have a conversation about a federal budget. This march and then we were slightly sidelined by this pandemic and since then. The government introduced a fiscal snapshot. And you and i on this very podcast said what the hell is the fiscal snapshot. And now we now. We know that there's a a fiscal update is gonna come. I shouldn't interrupt you. But i just learned this this and i hate just drop in drop in some ottawa slaying. It's hot anyway. Go on thank you no thank you. I really really love learning. But it's useful is useful for us to know to have this mini-budget there's gonna come up because fiscal update is not a budget in the sense that it doesn't have the same level of detail but it should give us a direction of a numbers that were working with Because they probably will have shifted since the last time you got that snapshot we were talking about Also be what the plan is going into the next stage and it's hard to call the next stage of recovery because we're clearly not there. It's going to be a long winter before we get there but christopher freeman the finest. Mr is already suggesting that we're going to be spending a lot more than the amount of money we already spent. That's right and if we look back at the fiscal snapshot an abbreviation for that because that was just sort of made up. Frankly if we look back at the fiscal snapshot for july remember we were already dealing with record deficits that that are sort of beyond comprehension. Three hundred and forty three billion dollars. That many economists now suggest could be sort of topping Four hundred billion by the time we get a look at the books The other thing that we didn't get back in the summer and that you know me might get in which might be useful is a projection of of how long those deficits might be around One of the things that the government has said when faced with criticism about spending like this is that these are not structural deficits meaning. They're not things that will be around year after year after year that you would have to build in to Build into your konami and build into your budget every year. They're there one time things for a crisis situation and they will eventually go away. So i mean those are the couple of things to keep in mind as we as we look towards monday. But you're right. We haven't now had a budget in so long and we haven't really had a clear picture of things in so long. And i guess some people might wonder well. Why does it matter you know. We're we're at home Were you know people still maybe not at work or not working right now or worried about christmas. Why do i care what the government's balance sheet looks like. Why do i care what they're doing. Well because i think ultimately we do have to understand How long this can go on How how much room do we have here to borrow. If we need to support people if we need and then. I think the other thing to keep in mind is all the things that you and i have spent so much time talking about that. Have been exposed by the pandemic Weaknesses cracks break breakdowns of things in society. Long-term care A- any number of things childcare. What are we going to see in the update that will signal that the government sees those things to and wants to fix them. I think that that's really really important and something canadians. You know should should want to know more about what to that end. There was An update on the nerdy front. Which is that just this past monday. The finest minister Tabled a report to parliament. That's talking about extending federal borrowing and it's one of those things that like normally you would never pick up on this story in a new cycle but the report says that freeland actually intends to increase the total amount that the federal government can borrow The current limit is one trillion one hundred and sixty eight billion dollars. That is a lot of money. Four credit cards together. You know police buy me a house but yeah so like one. Trillion one hundred and sixty eight billion. That is a number with a lot of zeros. And that number does not include the amount of money that we've already spent that has been all borrow two which is two hundred eighty. Six billion dollars So signaling that. She intends to raise the amount of money that the federal government can borrow certainly suggests an ambitious program. However we're just like we're yet to see the nuts and bolts of that and i'm wondering if that will start to kick in now because we've we've had this conversation on this podcast before about talking about how kovin might reorient the role of government in our lives in might force governments do do things that they've never had to think about before and they've roll up programs. That are really ambitious. Have you talked before about Universal basic income for example. Nothing about the intention to to raise the amount of money they can borrow tells us exactly what they will spend it on but it does tell us that he's going to be kind of significant and then there's the other element of it. Which is that you know. This is a minority government. After all the politically could fall at any moment. So they're clearly thinking about the next stage in the management of the pandemic but also there. There must be some political calculus going into going into this because whatever. They plan to do presumably. They're going to run on it in an election. Yeah i think that's that's always the calculation they have to make right now as a minority government. I think Your point about the trillions of dollars is a really good one people should remember. That's just what is there. If needed doesn't mean that they will grow it of course but it gives them more room to maneuver if needed i. It would be dangerous for the government to try to do too much in this economic update after not having had anything for so long and i think it would also be dangerous because there are sectors that are still under a lot of stress We've talked about some of them. The airline industry tourism Hotels restaurants all those kinds of things are still under enormous amount of stress and probably still need Some additional fiscal support beyond out there already. So they probably need to deal with sort of the immediate things Give us a sense of whether they are concerned about the size of the deficit whether they think it's important to get out at any point. And i would. I would say that the conservatives and the opposite we'll particularly conservatives. Let's say the official opposition. They will be looking a for that because as fiscal conservatives as they are the fact that there are no longer any sort of rails around the spending worrisome and i it makes uncomfortable. It's not necessarily how they do things and they were going to look for opportunities to to worry canadians about that as well. And and that's a legitimate concern legitimate questions And they should ask them but the danger for them. I would suggest is that because we are still in the second wave and it is deepening in many parts of the country. You don't want to go too far down that hole. Either right because people still do need to see the government spending. If we didn't have that. I i i don't know that any of us would be surviving very well. So there's lots of pitfalls here. I think for an economic update politically but lots of opportunity to a normally. I try and come up with my own funny lines here. But i'm just going to read. What our producer has written. Because it's really funny this week. Is that clinking sound. The sound of wind chimes my recycling getting picked up. Don't think i even know that sound anymore. See that was good. I didn't need to add to that. That was no man. No it is my recycling waksman. It's also the sound though of last call. You know when you used to be able to have a drink at a bar those days. I do not remember this last week. We asked you this one. Who are you turning to for advice when you make decisions about how to go about your day. During the pandemic made a lot of people had feels but this one a lot of people on twitter. We got some really interesting responses. One person said they follow a blend of news reports on scientific research and dr bonnie henry who of course his. Bc's provincial health officer and this person admitted they live in quebec. That's curious because it's different. It's different in the provinces One person said this Who i listen to has shifted early days. It was the prime minister of the ontario premier and many doctors on the news now we see cove is impacting regions differently. So i cut out all the noise and just turned to my cities medical officer of health for guidelines. That's interesting. I love that in another listener. Just straight up tweeted a youtube tribute for dr morrison the chief health officer for pi. And i'm gathering the sentiment that a lot of people share like these public health officers have really become the stars of our lives over the last few months A lot of people also reference epidemiologists physicians Kind of folks might see popping up on tv or twitter to one person said our family. Trust dr isaac bogas for his honesty and simple but informed answers. Another person showed at family physician. Dr jennifer kwan. Who's great also our friends at white coat black art and the dose chimed in Definitely worth checking out dr. Brian goldman the host of both of those shows. And i'll just share one last response. Rosie one last tweet from this person who said don't we already have the information we really need. I try to stay away from people. Where masks what. I can't and wash my hands get jobs also. Don't go out if you don't have to go out. That's the one. I like to live by. I've never loved an epidemiologist more than i do. Now let me tell you. I never gave them a second thought before. Now and now i know so many and have a lot of them to say. The word epidemiologist french this week. We want to know this one for our last call. Are the prime minister's words now that he's returned to veto cottage for a couple times. A week are the prime minister's words still effective tool in fighting the pandemic. What do you think tweet us at barton. And i'm at elamine eighty-eight please third hashtag. The hashtag is party lines and let us know what you think. And that is it for party lines this week from. Abc news and cbc podcasts. I'm rosemarie barton. Chief political correspondent for cbc names. And i'm elevate mood culture for busby new three bet for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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Howard Schultz, And Independents Vs. Centrists In America: They're Not The Same

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Howard Schultz, And Independents Vs. Centrists In America: They're Not The Same

"This message comes from on points sponsor, indeed, if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From WVU are Boston and NPR. I'm Meghna chucker birdie, and this is on point former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz is a very good businessman, and he could soon be a rather significant presidential candidate Schultz roiled the partisan and punditry classes last week when he announced that he's considering a presidential run as an independent, but who exactly what he swayed listen to how Scholz tangled with MSNBC contributor, Mike barnicle yesterday in the news of people. Register is independent and yet they still tilt one way or the other despite their registration is independent. They'll still till. Plus they've never had a choice. They have not really know who who's who's Ross Perot. No, no. I'm a legitimate person. Well for the record Ross Perot was a legitimate candidate. And in nineteen ninety two Perot not only made it to the debate stage as an independent he was on the ballot in all fifty states in the ended up taking almost nineteen percent of the popular vote that year the year. Bill Clinton won against a sitting president. But in that clip barnacle is pestering Schultz about something deeper about the myth of the truly independent voter that most of them are partisans in disguise. So if that's the case what impact coulda Scholtz run have in twenty twenty this hour on point reaction to Howard Schultz and the truth about independent voters, and you can join us do you identify as an independent voter. And what does it mean to you? What do you make of Howard Schultz as potential run for president? Join us anytime on radio dot org or on Twitter and Facebook at on point radio. So we're gonna talk about the political implications of Howard Schulz's consideration for a White House run here. But I want to dig into this idea of who are independent voters in America. So joining us I from Washington is Lee Druckman, he's a senior fellow in the political reform program at new America, a non-partisan think tank and he's written extensively about independent voters in America. Druckman welcome to on point great to be with you. I should also say you're author of the forthcoming book. Breaking the two party doom loop the case for multi-party democracy in America. Now, you know, Mr. Druckman, if I can say if there's anything that the two thousand sixteen election taught us is that no one should presume anything in the early days of a campaign. So I just want to put that out there. But let's talk a little bit about what we know about Howard Schultz. So far first of all he's a he's a longtime Democrats even though he's probably considering he is considering a run as an independent now. And he's also very concerned about the national debt. I mean, for example, I'm going to play a bit of tape here. This is Scholtz on MSNBC's morning. Joe yesterday saying that both Democrats and Republicans have been reckless with the nation's economy, the Democrats and Republicans under the last twenty years on both parties have been complicit in a in creating twenty one and a half trillion dollar debt that is a reckless immoral abandonment of leadership so lead Rotman. Men Schultz's being described right now as a fiscally conservative socially liberal K potential candidate who is his constituency in America. It's people who sit in boardrooms with Howard Schultz read the Acela train with Howard Schultz, not that many people beyond that. So so sort of the punditry in the in the Bill, and the millionaire billionaire classes. Yeah, basically. Yeah, they'll they'll they might want somebody like Howard shelter though. They might also care whether Trump is president or not and might not what spoilt the election by voting for him. Well, let's talk about this a little bit more because in your research. I'm looking at this graphic that you've created of the 2016 electorate, and it's there's two dimensions of it. Right. There's there's this sort of political social identity from from conservative to liberal on one axis, and then the neck economic dimension about being very conservative on economic issues are very liberal, and there's one particular quadrant. This of this graph that's like virtually empty, and that is the the the socially liberal, fiscally conservative quadrant here. So I mean, how few people are we talking about here that's about four percent of the electorate count. So so not not very many people. Not not enough to elect a president. Okay. So then why is there the persistence of this belief amongst as you're saying, you know, financially or politically powerful people or pundits that there's this giant constituency of Americans who who are really concerned about these things. Well, because they talked to each other, and they're really concerned about these things. So they think well everybody I talked to must be really concerned about these things, but they don't get out of their bubbles very much and talk to people who don't ride the Acela train. Okay. So then who are the independence in America? Well, okay. So we got about forty percent of people who say they're independent, which is a nice thing for people to say that they are because they like thinking that. Well, I I don't belong to any party. I think for myself, but most people tend to vote for one party or the other. I mean, if you wanna talk about true independence, people who really don't feel like like they like either party. That's maybe five to ten percent most. But most. People like to say, they're independent because it sounds nice. But they don't really vote like independence. They consistently vote for either Democrats are consistently vote for Republicans. Okay. So so there's just a smaller fraction then you're saying that of voters who irregularly willing to cross party lines. Yeah. I would say that. That's true. Now, the fact that forty percent of people do register as independence does tell us. Something people are are indeed frustrated with with the lack of choices in our party system. But most people think one party is better in one party is worse alternatives. Interesting now to get back for a second to the the Howard Schultz model of fiscally conservative socially liberal. And as you're saying that sort of the Acela corridor crowd you're talking about here. It does seem to me from your research that you're implying that he he's basically the polar opposite of what actually is potentially a large group of of voters who were who were quite significant in the two thousand sixteen election. That's the socially conservative fiscally liberal crowd. Yeah. So we call those populous it's probably about my by by my estimate about twenty nine percent of the electorate, which is people who are a little bit little bit right of center on immigration social issues, some a little bit more writers center, but like think government should help people, and maybe tax the rich little more and support Medicare, and and healthcare and social security. My most people think these are pretty important things for government to do. And one reason Trump may have probably one in in two thousand sixteen is is because he he spoke to these voters, and he tried to differentiate himself from other Republican candidates by saying that he was going to protect Medicare and social security now turn out that as president. He has done has has moved considerably to the right from where he was as a candidate. But he spoke to two very very popular issues. And there are a lot of voters out there who who. Who want government to help them out? But you know, might be a little uncomfortable with with too much immigration and might hold some traditional religious values. Okay. So how is it? Then that we should be defining or thinking about what an independent voter is in America versus what you know. A a politically centrist American might be. Well, these are quite loaded terms. You know, I mean, I mean, I guess a true independent, if you if you want to be specific about it would be somebody who really doesn't care or doesn't see any difference between the two parties and kind of goes back and forth between them and again. That's maybe five percent of the electorate at most. You know, a centrist is probably somebody who's in the middle of of the distribution on both of the important political questions economic, and social, and, you know, th there's not that many people like that either. I mean, a lot of people are are cross pressured, and maybe liberal on the people who who don't feel well represented by the two parties are are mostly people who are liberal on economic issues and conservative on social issues. So maybe you could argue that that's the center, but but the true center, I think it's it's actually pretty small, and again, we also have to keep in mind that there are a lot of people who will tell pollsters that they're sort of in the middle or if they're moderate. But that's again because it's a nice label in the way that independent is a nice label. You know, people say well, a moderate, I'm independent. Well, those are also a lot of people who don't pay that close attention to politics. I mean, frankly, you know, we're we're the weird people in the country who like have have thought through all the issues and really have strong opinions most people now they're busy living their lives. And you know, they trust party to more or less represent them. But, you know, poster estimate battery of questions most people if they haven't thought about it they'll kind of pick the middle answer, although say, well, not liberal not conservative. I guess a moderate then not a I don't feel strongly about being a democrat or being a Republican. I guess I'm an independent. So that's why we see high numbers for people identifying as moderate or independent interesting. Well, Michelle Goldberg in a New York Times is site. She cites some research from from the Pew Research Center, showing that over the past two decades, self identified independents have actually grown more ideologically polarized. Not more. Moderate and she points out that America has two independent senators and one of them is Bernie Sanders. Interesting, but I wanna play a little bit more more tape here from from Howard Schultz and his interview on CBS is sixty minutes, of course, after Scholtz announced that he was considering a presidential run. He got a lot of heat from from Democrats saying that his run may may help reelect President Donald Trump into that Scholtz told Scott Pelley on sixty minutes that if he did decide to run he would be representing all Americans of all parties. Do you worry that you're going to siphon votes away from the Democrats and thereby ensure that President Trump has a second term? I want to see the American people win. I wanna see America win. I don't care if you're democrat independent. Libertarian Republican bring me your ideas, and I will be an independent person who will embrace those ideas because I am not in any way. In bed with a party Howard Schultz on sixty minutes on Sunday, Lee, Druckman isn't the fundamental problem here not so much who or what is an independent in America right now. But the winner take all system that we have here that privileges. Our two party system. I well, certainly we we have a a winner-take-all electoral system in in which you get a plurality of the votes you win at all. And I think that that is a significant problem because it creates a political system where you have two sides that are both competing to be the majority party and win. When they're in government, and they will enact policies within our majority. And then you have a an opposition party. That is just playing obstructionism. They're trying to knock the the the party in power out. And we have a political system that is designed to require compromise. It's it's fundamentally anti majoritarian system, and we have majoritarian party electoral system on top of that. And that's a problem. Well, Ledra is a senior fellow at the political reform program at new America, a non-partisan think tank. He's also author of the forthcoming book, breaking the two party doom loop Lee stand by here for just a moment. 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That's giving you life right now race is the subtexts to so much of the American story on coats, which we make that subtext text. You can listen to us on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts. This is on point a mega chucker bardy. We're talking this hour about reaction to former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz saying that he's considering a presidential run as an independent enroll. So questioning what a true independent in America is right now whether or not they are actually the almost forty percent of the electorate as they are registered or act a much smaller number. We're joined today by Lee Druckman, he is a senior fellow in the political reform program at new America, a non-partisan think tank and joining us now also from Washington is David Frum. He's a staff writer at the Atlantic. Former speech writer for President George W Bush Bush, I should say, and he has recently written about Howard Schultz in the Atlanta, we have a link to that at on point radio dot org. David fromm, welcome to the program. Thank you so much. It's great to have you also with us is near a tendon. She's with us from Washington as well. She's president and CEO of the center for American progress served both in the Obama and Clinton administrations was top advisor to. Lary Clinton during Hillary Clinton's twenty sixteen presidential run near at hand. And welcome to you as well. Thank you for having me. Okay. So David fromm. Let me start with you. You're writing that Howard Schultz is just the thing that the democrat Democratic Party needs to save it from itself. Why? Yes. Well, imagine if Tony Perkins or some other evangelical leader of announced this week that he was planning a twenty twenty run on a real no fool and bring back. God honest to goodness pro-life, no compromises with the gay rights agenda, independent candidacy, I think a lot of the people were upset about Howard Schultz would be very inwardly happy. I mean, they might deplore inwardly they'd be happy because they would recognize this candidate is drawing votes from Donald Trump's coalition. The reason that so many Democrats and liberals are upset about the Howard Schultz prospect is they recognize that Schulz will draw from the democratic coalition not enormous numbers of people. But even fleas figure is correct that it's four percent. Four points is the difference in Hillary Clinton winning and losing. So they recognize that this is coming from them. Why are they able to this challenge? And the answer is because right now, the Democrats are running a left her than thou competition should the maximum tax rate. Be raced fifty percent or seventy percent or seventy five percent, how big should the wealth tax be. If you leave the country should be allowed to take your wealth with you Medicare for all, you know, how John and forgetting that one of the reasons the Democrats did so well in two thousand eighteen is in a lot of people who normally vote Republican, but could not stomach Donald Trump in a lot of places like suburban Houston in the suburbs of Philadelphia. They held their noses and voted for the other party in order to put a check on a rogue president. What Howard Schultz is doing is reminding Democrats, those people exist and they're important. They're not a majority at all. And they're not a plurality, but they are necessary to the anti-trump coalition or anyway, it's highly risky to run an anti-trump coalition without them. And the Democrats right now are engaged in building anti coalition Trump coalition without suburban moderates. Well, so as you right in your ear Atlantic piece, you you say that that President Trump will be beaten not by his fiercest enemies, but by his softest supporters. I mean to that point we've got a comment coming in here on our website from some unnamed honesty who says that Schultz is offered genuine criticism of some of the damaging awful left wing ideas being proposed by democratic presidential hopefuls and honesty mentions. Those high marginal tax rates wealth tax accept Medicare for all its cetera. So let's hear listen a little bit more from Schultz himself criticizing democratic presidential contender. Kamala. Harris Senator come come Harris is Medicare for all healthcare plan. This was Scholtz on. CBS this morning on Tuesday Senator Harrison saying she wants to abolish the insurance industry. That's that's not correct. That's not American. What's next? What industry are we going to Bali next the coffee industry, Nina tendon, re- react to that? And this idea that David from putting out there that this could actually be a boon to the Democrats. I mean, I think that while I have great respect for David everything. He said seemed utterly wrong to me. The argument for David Frum position is Michael Bloomberg running in the democratic primary with range of moderate views, and the idea that in fact, David's argument is essentially that Howard Schultz will reelect will relax Donald Trump. I taking away crucial voters in the Democratic Party party voters they need. So I think from is actually making the argument that many Democrats Americans moderate. Let's feel which is that don't Trump is really an existential threat to democracy, and anyone who helps reelect him is has is problematic and not not actually being a an American patriot from from my perspective. And so I'd say I think the idea that the Democratic Party will not have robust primary debate that is one that actually engages ideas from both moderates and liberals and even some on the left is wrong. There are a number of people who are planning to run in the Democratic Party. Perhaps Michael boom, Bloomberg perhaps Joe Biden, but I think there will be a healthy debate. And just to remind everybody the reason why House Democrats won the house is because there were healthy debates in primaries throughout the country. And in swing districts liberal. Voters voted for moderate candidates who could win those districts. So the idea that the Democratic Party is only Sanders party is I think an argument people are using to justify a Howard chills candidacy, and I think there's very little actual evidence to show that that's right. Okay. So did from going to come back to you and Drummond in just a second. But but near ten and I want to ask you specifically about a lot of people have criticized Scholtz for saying that even raising the concept of Medicare for all is unamerican. I mean, I in a sense that that's dance can be read as as pretty extreme of pretty extreme criticism of an idea that's gaining traction. I mean back in the day when social security was first suggested that was considered, you know, unamerican two. But now, it's one of those sacrosanct benefits that that Americans will not let go of an shouldn't. I mean, every industrialized country has has universal health care. So I think the idea that it's un-american to believe in universal health care is is is I mean, my view basically laughable, but they're very there are a lot of different ways to get universal health care. There are a number of senators who've supported a single payer version they've supported a public option they've supported Medicare as choice for everyone. That's still maintains the employer-based cover employer based system. So people wouldn't lose their coverage. I would really urge people to think through the fact that a notion of universal coverage is one that is seems pretty American to the vast majority of the public, and there are a variety of ways to get there. There's not just one path. In fact, Senator Warren other senators have talked about multiple paths to get there. So I think the. I think this is a kind of a straw man argument that Howard Schultz is using to justify his run. Okay. So David from what's your response to that? Well, I I don't think in the end how it shows we'll draw votes from Donald Trump because I don't think he'll be on the ballot. I think this ideal will burn itself out pretty quickly because he will discover there isn't a constituency for him. But the service he will provide in the interim is this one of my favorite political anecdotes told by Karen Hughes who was a communications advisor to President Bush, and she was on holiday on some beach and saw one of those advertising planes, pulling slogan behind and the slogan said something like Jill come back. I am visible without you, Jack. And she thought bad message Jack too much about you not enough about her. I think that's one of the things that tends to happen. Among intense political partisans, they talk themselves and the Democratic Party is right now having a conversation with itself, but how far does it go indirection of doing all the things that's ever dreamed of doing it faces a pretty weaken competent? So that's natural temptation. What Schultz has just done is reminded them. Who's actually went to decide the election of twenty twenty. And they are people who Democrats are not only not talking to but talking about in very derivative ways that they echoing Democrats are gonna have to compete in America's affluent, educated suburbs. That's not they're going to have to turn out. Of course, they're cork road. And there have to deliver a high turnout among African Americans one of the reasons Hillary Clinton lost in twenty sixteen was because although African Americans voted massively inter favorite. They didn't come out in the numbers. They had come out for. Twelve and two thousand eight by the way, she they they didn't come up for her in the numbers of came up for John Kerry in two thousand and four so that mobilizing block voters is going to be important. But what happens in the conversation is the kind of real committed ideological left of the Democratic Party. Does the talking and forgets that suburban moderates are going to do the voting but David from on that point though. I question your dismissing of the fact that that Scholtz, you know, if he is to run that that he wouldn't peel away some key Republican voters, or or or at least a significant critical mass of them again to quote your line that he could be beaten the president could be beaten by his softest supporters. I mean, just listen to what Howard Schultz himself said on Tuesday to CBS this morning because he actually sees his candidacy is potential candidacy as providing a home for some Republicans from publicans have a choice between a far left liberal progressive candidate on a democ-. Critic side or President Trump President Trump is gonna get reelected if I can get in the race. And I only need fifteen percent to be on the debate stage. I will provide the Republicans where the choice that they do that. They do not have David from. I mean, we're focusing on the impact that this could have on the Democratic Party. But but are Republicans to be concerned about it? If they want to see President Trump reelected, I don't I don't think. So I spent a lot of the first half Howard Schultz said in that comment is absolute right. If the choices between a far left democrat and President Trump President Trump will probably win that's the salutory lesson that Howard Schultz is pounding home right now. The Democrats don't go to the left. If after the second. Oh, look, I I spent a large part of my pre Trump Korea writing. But how there is among the people write checks, the Republican party that there is this vast constituency out there that wants to see more immigration, less healthcare. And as we said in the very first segment, that's not the most under represe-. Representative from the American public doesn't want to see more healthcare unless immigration and Donald Trump figured that out or into blundered into maybe didn't figure it out in two thousand fifteen and that's why he saw off a lot of people who were better at the game. Jeb Jeb Bush was a two-term governor of one country's most important states, really good at politics, and a very smart guy, and with with clear views, and he basically except on maybe the life issue, basically was in Howard Schultz is corner. And he could not win a Republican nomination. I I don't think I think she'll find that the people he's talking to are already sufficiently repelled by Donald Trump to open to a democratic message. If the democratic message is not too frightening. I see so then so that, but then that limits shelters potential constituency as we were talking about at the very beginning of the show lead. Druckman you've been waiting patiently here. Let me bring you bring you back in what's your response to what you're hearing from David Nira. Well. I think I I think David's right that that Scholtz will actually fade away pretty quickly. I think he's a he's a he's a hot Cup of coffee right now. But he leaves that cost. A while it gets. And then it gets it gets cold. But he I mean, he he's interesting to talk to to talk about because he he does raise some of these issues about what what direction the Democratic Party is headed and look the Democrats have a broad coalition, and you know, right now that coalition is really unified against Donald Trump. And I think almost whoever the Democrats nominate Democrats will unify around because a lot of people really really don't like Donald Trump and wanna see him out of office. And that's a powerful force. And. Who whoever becomes president? There's also a congress. There's also a Senate which Democrats may take back, but will still require sixty votes to pass any policy. So I yeah. Given our system of checks and balances, I don't see, you know, a a major move to the far left coming out of Washington. Okay. So near your quick thought on that. Because I want to go to some callers if I could but go ahead Nira. Absolutely. I think that things that people are are are missing in this conversation as the actual attitude of democratic primary voters again just took to the polls in twenty eighteen. And I in fact, think electability and the ability to put together a big coalition to beat Donald Trump will be central issue and as central as any any policy debate. And and that's why I think that this notion that Howard shelters running because there's only one possible democrat and feel that will likely have. Joe Biden in it as well as possibly Michael Bloomberg is just belied by basic facts is it is it possible though that Howard Scholtz or any other viable independent that makes it through to the general election that really the affected. They might have is animating voters who sat it out last time because that they are still a massive constituency who was who wasn't heard from well. Well, I I guess I would just say that if you looked at what happened in twenty eighteen when we had the highest turnout of any midterm and a hundred years, I think that that will be very engaged in twenty twenty. And there's really no indication that people will sit it out in the same way they have before. So oh, go ahead. I think I may a lot of voters who who sat it out in two thousand sixteen. I mean, they're just sort of fed up with politics in general, and and they're they're sort of anti system and Michael Howard Schultz is not exactly gonna excite those those voters. I mean, what what somebody Tucker Carlson like might excite those voters. But in independent candidacies, independent canes can work and have worked in the past in American history under two conditions either. You have an issue that the two big parties. Don't wanna talk about both parties are committed to the gold standard other a lot of people are suffering from deflation, and they they're looking for someone who will talk about a non gold standard kind of money or they alcohol is an issue in the two parties don't wanna talk about it. And there's a constituency for someone who does want to talk about alcohol, that's where third party candidate parties succeeded an independence of succeeded when the person is such an enormous personality that they're bigger than the party system, a teddy Roosevelt or a Ross Perot? And they're so exciting that people want them the problem with Schultz is he's not an exciting person. And he doesn't have a message his ideas that he Howard Schultz is so self evidently smarter than everybody else. And he said what I won't be is the guy in the room. Everybody bring me their ideas, and I will pick the best ideas. So why you? I mean, you're pretty smart, obviously, greatest Starbucks. That's good. But you're not the smartest person in America. And why why should you be the one who picks and chooses from the menu of the infinite number of options. He doesn't have a mess. I mean, I my own hypothesis for how how should candidacy could have one is if in fact, he would not only me he were Mr. Medicare for all say, you know, used to be that in America. You couldn't get a decent Cup of coffee anywhere now. Thanks to me. Even get a great Cup of coffee at a reasonable price just about everywhere because my ruthless control the prices in my understanding of global so Vikings, and that's just what I'm gonna do to American healthcare. If he went running on that that would be a message that people might listen to let me let me sit at the table and pick from the options kind of message is that it's early days yet, though, I keep reminding myself that people were sort of dismissing Donald Trump when he first came down that golden escalator. I mean, we've got some comments coming here online third way forward says because of our highly flawed winner, take all plurality democracy. Our system tends towards two parties in this. Third parties in general elections can only function as spoilers that lead to winners who only reflect the preferences of a minority of voters. So we're talking about reaction to former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, saying he may run as an independent for the twenty twenty presidential election and exactly who are the independent voters in America today. David Frum is with us Lee Druckman and also joining us, and so is near a tendon by all three of you. We'll be right back. This is on point. Hey, it's a fear. Izenberg from ask me another. If you're craving nerdy trivia or celebrity interviews, we've got you covered with house musician Jonathan Coulton and the sharpest contestants in public radio. Don't miss NPR's. Our of puzzles or games and trivia. This is on point Meghna chocolate Bharti. We're talking this hour about reaction to Starbucks. Ceo former CEO I should say Howard Schultz and his contemplation of making a run for the White House in two thousand twenty as an independent enroll so trying to dig into exactly who and what a truly independent voter in America is today. I'm joined today by David fromm. He's staff writer at the Atlantic league. Druckman is also with us is a senior fellow in the political reform program at new America, a non-partisan think tank and near tendon joins us as well. She's president and CEO of the center for American progress. And I just want to play a little bit of tape of the reaction that Howard Schultz got in New York City when he was at a Barnes and noble on Monday to promote his new book as he's doing now as he's also talking about maybe making a run for for president. So here he is at the Barnes and noble getting interrupted. Millionaire. Billionaire elite. So booing there against a heckler who was interrupting Howard Schultz. You know on the other hand, we got some comments coming in online. GPS six to thirty four says the general concept works for me referring to what Howard Schultz is talking about Jay PX to thirty four says, I don't ride the Acela with him kind of like Charlie Baker for the whole country. Referring there to Massachusetts Republican governor, let's go to the phones Amelia is calling from Placetas New Mexico Emilia on the air. Hey, thank you. Yeah. So I think that David has some fundamental flaws in what he thinks of independent is hasn't as identifies independent I've been registered that way for decades. And I vote Republican democrat independent, and if I thought the socialist Representative had a better idea I'd go that way to I'm a pragmatist. I'm fiscally responsible. But I'm definitely socially humanitarian. I'm on the kind of person who has no problem saying, I'm pro-life, but I'm pro choice. I don't buy into the presumption of m- of lot of this conversation that we will always default only being to party country. He is. Amelia may just jump in here for second and forgive me for interrupting because I think Lee Druckman a who's researched American voters when we talked with him at the beginning of the conversation. He wasn't saying that voters like, you don't exist. I mean, absolutely. He wasn't saying that at all. He just says there aren't as many of them as as folks who generally call themselves independence, and that that was the issue. And I I did hear that part as a person who is thought this way for a long time. I have seen a profound increase in the numbers of people who don't want to be part of the Republican or democratic parties, and they are defaulting that way because they fear being cast aside is irrelevant that doesn't make them disappear. And it doesn't honestly make their votes here. Relevant. It means that we're going to keep you disenfranchised. So I think it's more folks are willing to say we might be three or four party country, which I would feel much better about we'll see people stepping forward and being willing to be identified. Not you know, not even claiming who they are. But saying I'm not a democrat. I'm not a repeating well Amelia, thank you. So very much for your call le-. Let me go back to you and respond to what you heard Amelia say. Yeah, I mean, I think Amelia is expressing a real frustration that a lot of people feel and with with the two parties. And that's one reason why we do see record number of people identifying as independents, people feel frustrated with with the limited choices they have. And they don't necessarily feel either party really speaks for them. But again, given a two party system. Most people do see a difference. And so they were I mean, I think the distinction between people who identify as independence and vote consistently as Democrats or Republicans, and people who are genuine independence, is that the genuine independence. Really don't see any difference between the two parties are really feel caught between them, and that's a very small number of people. But you know, again, I think it is important to recognize that there is a real. I think a lot of people like Amelia feel really frustrated with the choices on offer. And and I do think America would would be much more Representative if we had a four or five party system, I think we'd see much higher voter turnout and think we'd see a much more functional government. I think we'd see true majorities reflected in a lot more policies. I think I think we'd be a much healthier democracy, but we have to change our electoral rules to do that America has often been I it's not true that America's always been a two party system. Erica's? Hey, gradients strong strong third parties we had a greenback party. It had in in the nineteenth century. It had a socialist party in the early twentieth century in these parties would do well and in nineteen seventy six we can the United States in the nineteen seventy is came with inches of having a pro-life party at a time. When neither the Republicans, nor Democrats were have made up their minds about the abortion issue. But to have a third party. You have to have a party stands for something some important issue that has nothing represented. I think a lot of independence say, I'm dissatisfied with the subway system. Why because the subway doesn't stop in front of my house. And he said, well, why didn't you form a coalition with that other person who's unhappy because the subway doesn't stop in front of her? Well, the sudden we can't stop in front of everybody. You guys are gonna have to pick. If there's like one subway stop that. You would like to see built that doesn't exist. You and you can all be on. What that subway stock would be that will be then you have something. And so the question is what is the underrepresented issue in American politics? And I I mean, I think we can think of some, but if until people coalesce around that idea, you're not going to have a the base of a third party. You're just going to have people are dissatisfied with the two existing parties, but are not politically effective on their own well near let me bring you back in here. What do you think about that? I mean, I basically great think that challenge in America is in the United States. And I think lose making this point earlier that it's it's true. It's hard and a diverse country like ours to have reviewed represented in a two party system, but that's an electoral challenge in the United States versus Europe. Essentially, the parties are much more coalition oil, they build coalitions of people with, you know, some disparate views who can get behind a broad governing strategy and Trump to that in two thousand sixteen Democrats to that in twenty eighteen I think my concern about a Schultz candidacy is that essentially the argument he's making is one that is we'll be receptive to just the anti-trump vote. And as our as Michael Bloomberg said earlier this week he looked at this question in detail in two thousand sixteen and Saha that an indigo. Pendant run would help reelect Trump, and I have to say, I think a lot of the things Schulte said over the last couple of days, which sound very critical almost exclusively of Democrats gives you know, I think gives additional pause that this is one pretty large scale effort to that will ultimately help reelect down Trump if if he actually runs, and if he isn't planning to run than we're spending a lot of time talking when he's getting a lot of media attention for no apparent reason. You know, I'm sure a lot of listeners just now when they heard you say that they said absolutely maybe spending too much time on the so early out in the campaign, and he hasn't actually been formally entered the race yet. But Nevertheless, I think it's engaging us in some very interesting and important questions about you know, where American voters are right now. So let's go back to them. Let's go to Mike who's calling from Detroit. Michigan Mike, you're on the air. Today, I'm doing well. What's your thought? Couple of say real quickly. First and foremost, what are the problems for a third party or independent candidate is going to be the commission on mental debate. They have unfair rule the rule about fifteen percent in five national polls in order to just get onto the base station. If you're not in a debate, you will not win the presidency that is one of the key components of it. And it's and very insulted because that rate look down five percents. You were only seen one additional person Gary Gump and twenty sixteen over eliminated altogether and just focused on the constitutional eligibility and the electoral college mathematical winning. Have on that debate because included until are we in the country of you can have ten people in a primary rate, but he can only have two in general and aside from the debate person. If also when the whole political battle happened in the primary you do start to see that's not the point here. But you definitely the media favorite pick. And and here basically picking the winners in these races. You can look back, including eleven point twelve he would it was a clear medium bias against Ron all Republican primary just as right now in early. I have already seen a math ear campaign democrat occur again kind of lintel together. And it's well earning some destructive to our own democratic purchases within the Republic night. I'm going to just take it back. Thank you for your call. Don't mean to interrupt you midstream there. But a lot. Important points that you're bringing up here near attended just briefly since Mike is saying that he's already seeing the media machine gear up against certain democratic candidates. Do you do you buy that? No. So I think truly the what's happened would for example, tells the Gabbard is that there's been criticism of her past views on LGBT rights. That's what should happen in a in a primary process. I think a lot of people tend to think of media conspiracy against candidates and truly think often that there's just very little support for them. I don't think if you took a poll of of reporters that Donald Trump would have risen to the top. But yet he got a ton of coverage in the twentieth. Sixteen Republican primary, and I think that was much more driven by ratings and interest amongst Republicans. It was reinforcing limp. He was he was running. I in the primary, and he got a lot of attention. And so I think we tend to you know, too often we tend to see a media bias around issues that we just feel you know, a disagreement with. So let's go to Alex is calling from Baltimore, Maryland, Alex, you're on the air. Hello there. Hi. So I just I just kind of want to echo at some of the other. The callers have said I would consider I've been independent voter since I was eighteen and was able to vote I did go to the Democrats in two thousand eighteen just so I could vote in the primary because I guess I kind of grew up and realized at least right now, that's the only way to do it. But I'm the type of guy that would vote for a Howard Schultz, at least in theory. But I I agree that if he's going to run he should do it as a democrat. He wants to throw himself in the primary with the Democrats. I think that's a better way to go. Just because it sounds great. I mean in in the future I'd love to see more parties. More independence have a shot. But as I agree that Trump is pretty terrible. And he we need to get him out of office as soon as possible, and as of twenty twenty the only way to do it is a two in our current two party systems. Alex. Thank you for your call interesting idea there, what will come back to and just second. But let's go to David who's calling from Williamstown, Massachusetts, David you're on the air. I just wanted to call in and say that I agree with David fromm that the soft supporters the and suburban moderates will win the day. I think that I probably relate in that regard. I'm also, I'm a registered Republican. But I go back to having voted for Johnny Anderson having voted for Ralph Nader multiple times and also for Ross Perot. And I'm looking for a home I won't vote for Donald Trump. Again, I took a fly around him. And I think his behaviors outrageous in so guy like Howard Schultz. Does I I'm gonna look at everybody. But if anything I would sit it out if I had it to do over again last point, the Atlantic wrote an article about the exhaustive majority, and maybe David might wanna mention how that might factor in here. Thanks for my for listening to my comments. Thank you so much for your call David fromm since he he pointed to you twice. What do you think? Thank you. Well, th the exhausted majority are people who aren't less, hyper partisan than the rest of the country, and whose views don't fit into normal. There is something strange where in American life, where those of us who are familiar with politics understand that if you think this about abortion, you're you think that about the capital gains tax of those that that that wasn't decreed by God is not decreed by the internal logic of the argument. So people often do find themselves stranded in the way that the college has just felt that he was and near tend to let me turn back to you. Because the previous caller talked about if he would like to see Scholtz run as a democrat. What do you make of that idea? I think that's a great idea. I mean, I think that's the that. That is you know, there are many issues that I may disagree with Michael Bloomberg on there are many issues. I would agree with Michael Bloomberg on. But he if he runs he is. That he will run as a democrat. And I think that in the United States is we are currently structured where parties are coalition all if the way to deal with the situation is to enter the Democratic Party and try to expand upon the ideas. And I think the Democratic Party should be a place where moderates can run for president. We're liberals can run for president even some on the left. Good run for president. And so I, you know, and I think that the nature of Democrats right now is to actually focus on electability and who can appeal to a broad coalition including moderate suburban voters. That's how that was the purchase voters in two thousand eighteen I expect it will be the purge in twenty twenty as well. And I think the the idea that only you know, particular reviews by a single member of congress or dominating the entire democratic parties. Really just an excuse to run third party. That's not accurate in America. And. In the party. Well, let me just from back to lead Druckman here for Secondly, we've got about a minute and a half left to go here. I keep thinking about your forthcoming book about breaking the two party doom loop here an of an and I kind of share your your your disdain for this Hella crowd as you were saying earlier, but but you know, just sort of like help us help us close. This conversation is Howard Schultz, at least in contemplating a run here as an independent sort of forcing us to ask the right questions about the the two party system that we have right now. Well, he's doing two things. He's showing us how tenuous majorities are in our two party system. And how even pulling away four percent of the vote can can shift the entire state of the country. I mean, we have a two party system in which you know, one party gets fifty one percent or even less than their even forty six percent in weird plurality way that translates into a majority we have a system where actually minorities can roller Republic. Can party in in governance represents a minority of the country democrat party and governance also represents a minority of the country. So multi-party system would allow coalitions to form that that represent a real majority. But together, we have to change our electoral was we have to look at ranked choice voting we have to look at some forms of proportional representation. And those are those are big conversations in maybe we can open those conversations thanks to thanks to to Howard Schultz. Well, lead Druckman senior fellow and the political reform program at new America non-partisan think tank. Thank you so much for joining us today. A great to be with you David fromm staff writer at the Atlantic. It was great to talk with David. Thank you. So very much. Thank you. Ten president and CEO of the center for American progress pleasure to have you on the program near thank you. Thank you. I'm Meghna trucker Bardi. Meghna trucker bardy. This is on point.

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"Think welcome friends. You're watching the young turks. I'm your host anna casts burian and for the first hour. I'll be your only host. And i'll be joined by john zarrella the host of the damage report here at ti network for the second hour where we will give you some good news on the vaccine and that whole debate that we've been talking about regarding whether or not the patent for the vaccine should be lifted. We have some positive updates on that. John and i will also talk about the latest decision by facebook in regard to whether or not donald trump should continue Being banned from that platform twitter has also weighed in on that. And we're going to switch things up a little bit. There's an interesting story regarding a mother daughter duo who are facing some pretty serious criminal charges after they rigged an election for homecoming queen. So it's a little different from what we typically talk about But i'm really looking forward to having that conversation because it does have to do with our justice system and whether or not the authorities should throw the book at her But in the first hour today lots of heavy news stories unfortunately tucker carlson returns to the program with his white supremacist denials. But before we get to all of that. I do want to encourage you guys to help to support the show. Would you can do it for free by liking and sharing the stream. If you're watching on youtube another way you can do. It is by becoming a member and you can do so on youtube. Are you to members. Get a choice between three different tiers. And at the four ninety nine level you can get access to the post game. You can watch videos on demand use custom. Oh jeez and you also get access to members only merchandise and discounts We're going to have a fantastic bonus episode for our members tonight after the main show so definitely check that out so just click join button and you'll see all of our offerings as jenkin. I like to say and as we always love to tell you. We love our members and we wouldn't be able to do this without them. So thank you for your support. We genuinely appreciate it all right. We'll moving onto our first story of the day tucker carlson. Who's just right on brand. Tucker carlson's brand is pretty clear to anyone. Who's paying close attention. He will deny white supremacy in the united states. That's really a huge part of his brand while also saying something that has a kernel of truth to it. Something that maybe appeals to Populist sensibilities in the united states and in this particular case he decided to deny white supremacy which is a trend with his show but also shockingly criticize us imperialism. Which is something that tucker. Carlson has been in favour of throughout his entire media career. Now let's listen to what he had to say in one of his latest segments. Does anyone in power really think something called white. Supremacy is the single greatest threat. America faces no of course not. No one thinks that susan rice knows it isn't true. So does barack obama so to all of the other architects of this particular lie. They made it up in the first place. So of course they know precisely how false it really is. They may be liars but they're not delusional in real life. The understand perfectly well would actually threatens. Could they've seen it up close. It's the culture that produced them. It's the decadent rich people from their class at harvard. It's gender studies department at cornell. It's the cat. Cafes in austin and asheville. It's the monday editorial meetings at the atlantic magazine. Were david fromm is treated like an important intellectual intellectual rather than some dopey middle aged canadian twitter celebrity whose life goal is to force america into yet another unwinnable pointless war. Those are the people who actually detest the country. They're the ones who are working through the night to destroy it. They're the people who are committed to and in the process of excusing violence. So if you wanted to save america these are the people. You'd be worried about the iranian nuclear program. Looks like nothing. Oh is is tucker. Carlson concerned about unwinnable pointless wars. Because i'm old enough to remember what his rhetoric was like back in two thousand and three when the bush administration was considering at that point they were considering a preemptive war in iraq. I didn't hear any protests coming from the likes of tucker carlson air to the swanson wealth and now all of a sudden he of course. He's very on brand when it comes to Denying the very real situation that we're dealing with in this country we have been dealing with for centuries regarding white supremacy on the other hand. He's now pretending like no. No no. i've always been against us imperialism But of course as we know what really gets tucker carlson so angry is the video that was just released by the cia. An attempt to recruit new people new agents to the agency and so he refers to the cia as the you know as some woke organization. He doesn't like the language that they use in their recent ad. We talked about this on the show and we explained The problems that we had with the framing that ad as well but of course it came from a true genuine anti us. Imperialist perspective tucker. Carlson doesn't fall under that category at all. He has been very much in favor of the united states invading countries for useless forever wars but before we get to the details of that. Because i wanna make my case and i want to provide evidence for that case. Let's first focus on what he has to say about white supremacy in the united states because he claims that it's non existent. He claims that it's completely made up by the democratic party. By the obama administration by intelligence officials during the obama administration completely made up completely made up as if we had had several mass shootings in this country that were specifically motivated by white supremacy. One of them was an el paso not too long ago when an individual walks into a walmart and opens fire killing dozens of people because he has a problem with immigration from latin american countries. He'll deny that that has anything to do with white supremacy. Christopher wray fbi director has said over and over again that one of the top threats domestically right now is the rise of right wing extremism. In fact you know it's one thing for me to just say it. I like to actually show the audience evidence of the case. That i'm trying to make. Let's take a look at this video. Police in texas are investigating a possible link between a twenty one year old white male suspected of killing at least twenty people inside and el paso and an anti immigrant manifesto shared online minutes before the shooting the four-page document posted to the message. Board eight chen calls the walmart attack. Quote a response to the hispanic invasion of texas. That possible motive may link the walmart massacre tweet series of attacks by suspected white nationalists in the last year targeting immigrants jews and muslims racially motivated violent extremism specifically of the sort that advocates for the superiority of the white race. is a persistent evolving threat. It's the biggest chunk of are racially motivated extremism cases for sure And an and racing the moseley. Von extremism is the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio. Few well over all. I will also say that same group of people were talking about have been responsible for the most lethal attacks Over the last Say decade hughes will not replace. This was the canton charlottesville in august through two thousand seventeen and just the other day. The president essentially said that they were they were fair. We've seen a spike in anti-semitic acts in this country the anti defamation league the fbi have all shown that anti-semitism is on the rise in the united states. And i don't think we can say it's divorce from the political rhetoric that we see right now to deny that white supremacy exists in america is absolutely ridiculous and tucker. Carlson knows it. He's a white supremacist himself. But this is the type of red meat that he loves to throw out to his audience because it's his bread and butter really. What else would tucker carlson talk about. He pretends to want to hold corporations accountable for their unfair behaviour but does he actually proposed in increasing their taxes as he actually propose regulations. Now he doesn't do any of that. He offers all sorts of disgusting denials of white supremacy and then couples it with popular talking points regarding corporations and in this case Us imperialism which is something that americans are tired of across the board. You'll see republican. Voters fight back any notion of engaging militarily with iran for instance when the trump administration was considering military action against iran. His own supporters spoke out against that showing that republicans do not have an appetite in engaging militarily the way that we had during the bush years the way that we had during the obama years and by the way we continue to engage in militaristically across the globe certainly with our own involvement in yemen The fact that we're increasing hostilities. With china by arming japan and india. I mean the list goes on. And on i mean these actions are already Or have been taking place but make. No mistake tucker. Carlson has loved the forever wars. He has supported the forever. War is certainly has never spoken out against them until he realised. Oh maybe i can. We've this in my ridiculous populist rhetoric in an effort to really stand out an appeal to the very people who might want to vote for me when i run for president in twenty twenty four but do not be mistaken by who tucker carlson really is. Now he's also right. Though in calling out david from david fromm was the bush speechwriter. In fact back in two thousand two. When bush gave his speech on foreign policy. This is before the preemptive war in iraq you might have remembered the phrase axis of evil and that was a phrase coined by david from someone who was also very supportive of the war in iraq and the access of evil referred to the countries that were the biggest threat to united states. National security iraq iran north korea the warmongering rhetoric. Coming from the bush administration was significant. They needed to manufacture consent for the wars. That were still engaged in and so david fromm was part and parcel of that. He helped to crass the narrative he helped to convince americans that we absolutely needed to engage in that preemptive war that we absolutely needed to You know ward off this dangerous threat to us national security. And so tucker carlson's right about from but again. Let's not forget tucker. Carlson was and maybe this compilation will remind you of crap you played filled with a bunch of you know semi literate but i have zero sympathy for them or their culture a culture where people don't use toilet paper or forks. I you know. I agree with you. There their culture is but you're in their homeland and you're over there as an american who they hate and they want nothing more than the americans off their soil. So they're not gonna. I mean they can shut. The obey is my view. How did you salvage a rocket this point. I don't you know it's beyond our control. I mean if somehow the iraqis decided to like human beings or something he he need to say. Look i'm a bigger okay. I'm a big. I don't like islamic extremists. Like if you are really heavily into islam i really. I'm sorry i just don't care for you that much. And i don't care what that sounds like you can call me a racist can come up with you. Want for sucker carlson to try to re. I guess a launder his reputation as someone who was an opponent of these wars is ridiculous and he knows that video exists. He knows exactly how supportive he was. And of course. We're going to bring these videos up. We're gonna call about it. It is fascinating though that he failed to provide a single example of how he differs or deferred from david. From at the time. It's because those examples don't exist. He was in favor of the bush administration. He was in favor of these wars. And as you heard from the language compilation video. He's also very much in favor of white supremacy so while he denies it there are countless examples of him spouting white supremacists talking points on his show and on other people shows as he called in. Now let's get to david frum. Because he did not like the fact that he was mentioned in tucker carlson segment. And i want to be clear. There are no winners here tucker. Carlson clearly awful and aligarh. But david fromm not a good guy doesn't deserve cookies doesn't deserve credit and so he responded by this karlsson. Carlsson has some abusive personal comments about me. Two thirds of the way through this complicated excuse justification for the january six attack on the us capitol. Anti vacs pro insurrection. Quite a combo as to the abuse. I'll say this. I've known carlson for more than twenty years. We were colleagues at the weekly standard in the nineteen nineties. I appeared fairly often on his. Msnbc show in the two thousands. We were washington friends. We had lunch. He came to parties at my house. And by the way i totally believe him on that. But as we've learned with liz cheney in the house there's really no loyalty among republicans when people's political careers are on the line but from continues and says this all this was during the period of the afghan and iraq wars carlson now proclaims his fierce opposition to both but when it mattered when his already influential voice could have made a difference to the national decision. He was a ferocious of both wars. He's right so far so good. But here's where david frum loses me. And i think loses a lot of other people as backlash to this tweet would show you. I supported the wars. To of course but carlson's support was way more outspoken radical disdainful and frankly bloodthirsty his radio broadcast description of iraqis as Primitive monkeys resurfaced in two twenty eighteen. And then he goes on. But i want to focus on that tweet because when i say that there are no winners in this story i really mean it. What from is essentially saying is. I mean you know i. I supported the war. To of course. But i'm better because i did it politely. I'm better because i did it in this professional context of speechwriting where a helped the president of the united states craft this. Narrative meant to terrify americans and convince them in supporting these wars. That's david fromm did he gets credit. He gets no cookies. The polite rhetoric might use is no better than someone like tucker carlson supporting the war in the way that he did because the end result was the same. Whether you're polite or ferocious in your support for the war at the end of the day it was support for that also wore that we still find ourselves in today and david fromm isn't necessarily completely telling the truth in that tweet because i did manage to dig up some old interviews that he did This one from two thousand four where he was talking about iraq where he was talking about the notion of diplomacy. And here's what diplomacy meant to him. I think the united states is entitled and his right to be stern. I mean that like look. We're not we don't have one answer for every problem. There are a lot of problems with with the correct approach. The soft approach There are a lot of times you have to woo and placate. But just as it's wrong to say the answer is always force. It is wrong to say the answer is never force and sometimes Diplo sometimes force or the threat of it is necessary. Diplomacy in my view is not the art of smoothing relations. Diplomacy is the art of getting your way through words and sometimes sometimes the right words are please please please and sometimes right words are do it again. It will knock your teeth at his idea of. Diplomacy is using words. Like do it again or will knock your teeth out. Not my idea of diplomacy. Not not what most americans would think of when they considered diplomacy as a way of persuading other countries to work together with us. Collaboratively david frum certainly was not some dove when it came to us foreign policy. Neither was tucker carlson. This story was full of honestly a bunch of losers a bunch of liars and men who really deserve no cookies. We gotta take a break. We'll be right back. We know it's going to take many forms of energy to meet the world's needs while creating cleaner future for all at chevron where lowering the carbon emissions intensity of our operations investing in lower carbon technologies and exploring renewable fuels of the future. We work hard to care for the home. We love but it's only human to protect the one we share learn more at chevron dot com everyone welcome to our first social break of the show. I wanna start off by reading a few member comments. Beginning with little mac mckee. Who says i read a report where the fbi just came out that they underestimated white supremacists first and only after the oklahoma city bombing. Did they realize it was even a national organization. But now now white supremacists see themselves as modern successors to the organize violence in the south post civil war which caused reconstruction oops reconstruction to fail. I used to think tucker was winking nodding to these groups but now i'm wondering if he isn't actually one of the leading members and is officially part of the organization. Honestly there there are no dog whistles on tucker carlson show anymore. He's very clear in his white supremacist views. On one hand he denies them on the other hand. He's spouts the exact same talking points that you would hear from a white supremacist. Because he's a white supremacist. Moving on I just wanted to say thank you to l. m. g. fifteen. Who says does anna do a great job presenting the first hour on her own. Of course thank you. I really really appreciate it. We already have someone in our members section with the handle. No cookies for you. I love it. Great news today biden. Ooh oh you're stepping on my lines uber. I know you're not uber. But this is a story that we'll talk about in more detail later But great news today biden supports the world trade organization waiver for covid nineteen vaccines however. That's just the first step. I'm sure there will be push backs so we will discuss that on the show in the second hour specifically but it is great news and honestly for me. What's even better is the fact that biden clearly can be pushed in the right direction It certainly happened when it came to the cap on refugees. It happened in regard to the vaccine waiver. So that's good news. That means that if we fight hard enough there's enough backlash we could get him to take the right position on some of these issues So i didn't think that was possible before I also want to thank our new youtube members. Carolee swan berg and tom woodruff. Thank you so much for becoming members. I hope you guys enjoy our bonus episode tonight. Um and for anyone who's interested in becoming a member you can do it by clicking on that joined button and deciding which tier of membership you'd like to join in our super shots. We have new world global community. Who says please anna t. ty t cover what. The right is doing to the people of colombia. I will absolutely look into that and considerate for the show. Thank you for that tip. Graham henry says what the hell is wrong with a cat cafe. I mean honestly. I think cafes are great in fact i wish more cafes allowed animals including dogs like you have to lie about how you have a service and i don't do that. Actually lie about my dog being a service animal. But i wish my dog can go with me to certain places but yeah i agree with you. Anyway let's get back to the show. I'll see either Welcome back to ty t. and accoceberry in with you and let's get right to our next story Because this is exactly why tucker. Carlson decided to talk about. Us imperialism it's top iq and he realizes that maybe you can use populist rhetoric to garner some support a new global poll finds that most countries are worried about a threat to their democracy and that threat is the united states. This is an incredible survey. The findings come in a poll commissioned by the alliance of democracy's foundation among fifty thousand respondents in fifty three different countries and what they found by asking these respondents some questions about their fears and and how they feel about democracy in their own countries was at forty four percent of respondents in these fifty. Three countries surveyed are concerned that the united states threatens democracy in their country. Fear of chinese influence is by contrast thirty percent and fear of russian influence is actually the lowest at twenty eight percent so for everything that we hear about china and russia here in the united states when you look at the world stage and how other countries feel about us. They find the united states government to be a much bigger threat to their own democracy. And if you've been paying attention to our foreign policy and decades of us lead coups in various countries in the middle east and in latin america. You can understand why other findings from the survey indicate that since last year the perception of use influence as a threat to democracy around the world has increased significantly from a net opinion of plus six to a net opinion of plus fourteen. This increase is particularly high in germany. Plus twenty and china plus sixteen. Now i gotta say it is fascinating that the number is higher in germany versus because whether you're dealing with a democrat or republican in the us government right. Now you will certainly hear the war drums toward china right now. Of course it's more of a cold war than anything but it's something to be concerned about especially when you want to do something about the real threat not only to national security here. In the united states but to the world and that's climate change you need to be able to cooperate and collaborate with countries like china like russia but the us government's rhetoric even under the biden administration leaves much to be desired when it comes to diplomacy so i'm certainly concerned about that but even with all that rhetoric germany tends to be a little more concerned about the united states than china is but nonetheless. China's numbers are pretty high They are concerned about the united states. A meddling in their affairs. Let's be clear about something. Obviously china is not a democracy so china is probably worried about the united states. Meddling in their affairs But to claim that china is like some wonderful democracy that the united states might tarnish is is obviously not. We're trying to say here. Let's let's be real about that Now let's also move on and talk a little bit about what the respondents had to say about their biggest like non-governmental threat. And what this survey found was that the single biggest Cited threat to democracy is economic inequality sixty four percent of respondents felt that inequality was the biggest threat to democracy now. Forty eight percent of the power of or forty eight percent say that the power of big tech companies as opposed to the simple existence of social media is a threat to democracy in their country among democracies the us is actually the most concerned about big tech at sixty two percent. And i can understand why when you have this monopolistic system where there are only a few tech companies that reigns supreme and they crushed the competition. Yeah there are a little too powerful. There's no question about that. So if you're feeling concerned about that here in the united states just know that there are people all over the globe. Also concerned about it And right now anytime. We hear anything about antitrust lawsuits or antitrust actions against these big tech companies. It seems to be fueled by conservatives who don't want to be censored don't actually want to do anything about antitrust violations or in some cases there are prosecutors who are looking into it but so far. I haven't seen anything robust in terms of solutions to the very clear monopolistic power of these tech companies. Now china isn't You know as i mentioned. China isn't a democracy Russia has its authoritarian issue. So i just want to repeat that again because while there is legitimate criticism toward the united states and its meddling into other countries We need to be about where these countries that are. Critics of the united states are coming from as well The us might not be a threat to chinese democracy but the us certainly is a threat when it selling weapons to japan and india in an effort to intimidate. china that some of the Actions that started under the trump administration actually really started under the Tail end of the obama administration continued under the trump administration and will probably accelerate during binds administration as he continues to use the rhetoric that we heard during his address to a joint session of congress. china came up quite a bit. Now i do want to also mention that when this survey was done trump was still in office it was toward the tail end of his administration and so the attitudes that some of these respondents have towards the us government might be a little different today. donald trump of course attempted to stage coups venezuela failed miserably. He staged a successful coup in bolivia. That luckily didn't last long but with all these actions that were taking place. It's kind of understandable. Why anyone would have that kind of feeling toward the united states government but i also want to mention that this all coincides with an important report that came out on the intercept. It was written by ken. Clip and stein and ryan grim. And what they did was shed light on some new findings in regard to the us led coup in bolivia. And the what they did was they of course can clip in stein always manages to get his hands on leaks and emails and documents To do this kind of incredible reporting but what they found was that the department of justice under the trump administration threatened. Mit researchers with subpoena in collaboration with bolivian coup resume emails to the analyst. Show that the trump administration's complicity with a bolivian criminal investigation so As they write in the body of their piece e mails reveal that the justice department's involvement in the bolivian coup regimes. Criminal investigation into alleged. Voter fraud the inquiry targeted a pair of respected. Mit researchers about their work for the center for economic and policy research in which they broadly refuted suspicions that bolivia socialist party had rigged the election. Now remember prior to the coup. What everyone heard was that the holiest the organization of american states had found that evil morales had engaged in voter fraud in order to steal the election. Now the oh. A s is based in washington. Dc and it's also mostly funded by the united states government. Which is why. I say that it was a us-backed coup Sixty percent of the funding for the o. s. comes from the united states. Now there was no evidence provided by the o. a. s. in regard to alleged voter fraud in bolivia evil morales was forced out of the country. the opposition in the country took to the streets as soon as the has had a release these allegations and then you have an awful extreme right-winger come into office even though she hadn't been democratically elected But what kind of save the day for. Bolivia was the fact that these mit researchers were like Let's actually look into these allegations of voter fraud and see if we can confirm anything. Researchers mit commissioned by the center for economic and policy research took a closer look at the data and evidence behind the allegations and concluded what many other independent observers had already found the fraud. Claims were bogus and so after. That happened luckily there was enough pressure on this right wing. Coup government in bolivia led by janine on ios to hold new elections and they did hold new elections. The right-wing government is now out and luis. Arce is now the new leader of bolivia. He comes from the same party. That evil morales What is it An evil morales was Happily able to return back to the country now. The whole point of this report by the intercept is that doj officials under the trump administration tried to subpoena these mit researchers over the research that they had conducted because it undermined their coup. And this is the kind of game that you'll see people in positions of power play in order to maintain us agenda hedge enemy in the interests of businesses. That are based here in the united states. This is exactly how it goes down if you have the audacity to find evidence that counters the narrative that allows for a coup happen. Well then you need to be threatened. You need to be served some sort of subpoena. Luckily the doj dropped it but again it's important to know how these things happen behind the scenes and how censorship really does occur when power is challenged the way that these mit researchers challenged power in regard to this coup. So this is my long way of saying that. I certainly empathize with the survey respondents. Who are concerned about their own system of government their own democracy being harmed in some way by us intervention. We have a long history of doing it. There's no question about that even in recent history. We did it. We also attempted to do so in venezuela and luckily failed But if you look at examples like guatemala with the united fruit company if you look at examples like iran and how we overthrew its first democratically elected leader and decided to install a dictatorial religious Government instead again you can understand why survey respondents responded the way that they did now. Let's counter that negative story with a positive one because we do have a little bit of good news coming from the biden administration. That i think is important to share in rare good news today. We've learned that. The biden administration has cancelled a signature. Trump era rule that would have allowed for companies to reclassify workers as independent contractors. This is so important guys because if you take a look at what has happened in california after the passage of prop twenty two you can really understand. And grasp pow disastrous. This trump era rule would have been for workers across the country now the biden administration rescinded the pro business regulation without replacing it with a new interpretation of when workers can function as independent contractors. And when they must be classified as employees under federal law who are entitled to minimum wage and overtime pay. So the reason why. It's a problem to just allow for these businesses to reclassify workers. Willy nilly is because if they can reclassify you as an independent contractor. You don't get many of the on the job. Protections that typical employees get things like workers compensation things like in some cases healthcare right the benefits that workers typically get as part of the job independent contractors. Don't get those benefits now jessica. Luman who is with the department of labor for the biden administration said that misclassification of employees as independent contractors presents. One of the most serious problems facing workers today we are committed to continuing to combat misclassification. And we're particularly focused in sectors where we know. Workers are vulnerable and violations a rampant. She also says that. Trump's simplified test for determining employee status would have frankly resulted in more workers potentially being classified as independent contractors instead of employees. Which means that they would not have had the protections of the fair labor standards act. I can't underestimate. And i don't want you to underestimate how good this news is if you're a worker in this country and i'm sure most of you are. This is fantastic. News and i would encourage the biden administration and the labor department to go even further to offer more protections for workers including people who currently are classified as independent contractors now Let's also talk a little bit about what happened in california so you can understand why workers and other states have really dodged a bullet here so in california these app based employers. And i'm talking about instacart uber. Lift all of those types of companies fought aggressively to pass something known as prop twenty two and prop twenty two would allow for them to reclassify workers independent contractors. They spent quite a bit of money to to get this done and unfortunately that ballot initiative did pass and now workers in california are suffering the consequences of it. Let's take a look at this video. Because i think it gives you a good idea of just how disastrous and been in california gig economy companies have written a new law to suit themselves spending the most money ever on a california ballot proposition passing last week with fifty eight percent of the vote. Companies like uber lift and instacart spent more than two hundred million dollars to gather support for proposition. Twenty two which exempts them. Twenty nineteen law. That would have turned their drivers into employees. Some labor experts. Worry that this is the beginning of the end of worker protection route. Twenty two is probably the most dangerous labor law that has has been passed voted on in my lifetime. They've sort of taken desire. That companies have had for you know since capitalism began which is to keep labor costs as low as possible or drivers. Don't get paid time off sick days or unemployment insurance that could save these companies. Twenty percent on employee costs and as independent contractors. Legal challenges will be more difficult than they are for employees. Steve greg says he doesn't feel protected. Feel manipulated and exploited. I don't feel spoken for greg. Did sixteen thousand rise as a fulltime driver for uber and lift until the pandemic bar loved the work. Because i just fell in love. The human race. Doing this. And i stayed a driver despite for a while despite the decrease in pay he says the proposition twenty two impossible to earn a living driving full-time. They're trying to push it down into a minimum wage job. You get paid by tips. He's right about that. And unfortunately after prop twenty two past Many of the drivers who were promised all sorts of perks and benefits found themselves. Getting quite the opposite. So as i mentioned earlier you know being able to reclassify. Workers as independent contractors means that they don't get many of the protections that ordinary employees get. And let me also be clear about one thing. I mean ordinary employees in the united states. It's not like they're enjoying like a great work environment right now. Obviously we need to do more to Increase the the protections but also the power of workers in workplaces across the country. Now putting that aside for now Let's talk about the fact that they don't get workers compensation if they're reclassifies as independent contractors in the case of these rideshare apps remember. We're talking about employees who are using their own vehicles and they're paying for their own gas. They're not being reimbursed for their gas and that's another issue they were promised by these companies before prop twenty two. Pass that if it passes you know you could get this reimbursed brutal for you. And that's not what happened ben valdez. Who's a gig worker in california. Said of drivers were duped because they expected they were magically going to be able to qualify for benefits that the companies made it sound like they were going to pay for upfront and that drivers were going to be getting reimbursement for the mileage. They didn't in fact valdez. Also says. I've had maybe three or four nights where i literally made four dollars so some of you might wonder. How is that even possible. Well under this law looper gets to avoid paying their workers when they do not have someone in their vehicle so if they're on the road looking for someone to give a ride to. They're not getting paid for that time. They only get paid for the rides that they give also studied by labor economists at the university of california berkeley in october of two thousand nineteen found prop twenty two guarantees a minimum wage of just five dollars and sixty four cents. An hour as only engaged time is accounted for in the wage calculations and one other graphic. Because it's important for you guys to know all the details here shortly after prop twenty two past several gig apps announced fees for customers in california would increase to cover the cost of prop twenty two benefits after several of the apps claim. Prices would hike twenty two. Didn't pass so they're facing some real legal consequences for that lie Because i'm sure that that persuaded some consumers in california to vote in favor of prop twenty two thinking that they wanted to you know. Keep the costs of using these services low but at the end of the day these rideshare companies decided to hike the prices up anyway so when i say that the biden administration made the good move here i really do mean it. But i'm still uncomfortable with where we're at The labor department's decision here is important because they effectively prevented a trump era rule from taking effect. But it's not enough. We need to do more to ensure that what happened to workers in california doesn't happen to workers across the country when we come back from the break We'll talk a little bit about the dnc and how it's already preparing for the twenty two thousand four election. Are they making good decisions spoiler alert. No so i'll give you those details and more when we come back you guys are twitch channel is going to be so lit today like it's insane. No it's a double whammy. That's what you guys don't get so after the bonus episode tonight. Happy half hour. You can check that out on our twitch channel twitch dot tv slash. Ty t. that airs at five thirty pm. Pacific time eight thirty pm eastern brett. Erlich show and look when you guys don't understand is how naughty things get on that show like. I didn't even realize how naughty things got on that. She'll look i would watch here and there lately. I've been watching it religiously and it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. They do things that we can't do on this show so check it out. Also on which channel. We have wachovia He aired one of his episodes just yesterday. But he's airing another episode today tonight at ten pm eastern time seven. Pm pacific again. You can check that out at twitch dot tv slash. T y t. I was unable to catch all of his Show from yesterday but he you know he had an interesting take that i don't think you here In most other places regarding just the economic concerns of Of black people in this country. And what he thinks needs to be done. In order to address those concerns so definitely check out his shows absolutely fascinating last night All right moving onto super chats and guys like come on. Let's let's keep on coming in. Because i wanna show jank that you guys like it. When i'm hosting solo that i bring in the bukavu bucks all right. So let's start with jeremy skibbe who says i'm loving the show more and more every day. It's great that you call up both parties and speak the hard truth. Mainstream media doesn't keep up the great work. You deserve daily charcuterie board and all the cookies. That sounds like the perfect dinner. A nice shark shark board beer. I've really been feeling Guinness extra stout lately. I think it might be my favorite right now. You like it to all right. Edwin likes to two sodas bar love it And i can eat cookies all day. peter hamby also writes in and says it's the consequences of having the first amendment shoved repeatedly at us saying that we can stand with or against different though. Similar people without consequence ever in mind At least in my opinion. Peter as you probably know this free speech warriors are also the most disingenuous people on the planet because on one hand. They'll argue that. They want to protect the first amendment. They wanna protect our freedom of expression and then they'll turn around and say some pretty things about Black lives matter protests. They'll be incredibly supportive of laws that encourage people to run protesters over. If they're blocking the streets. I mean every time i think of free speech warriors i think of dave rubin who i think is the most aggressive person to block others on twitter. So not really. A big proponent of free speech When it calls him out anyway we gotta get back to the show. I love your super chats. Keep writing and keep writing in. And i'll see you in a few minutes Welcome back to ty t. Anna burien with you is about to say anna. John john you've been in the room yet but john will be here for our to And everyone loves him. So you know it's going to be good anyway but for now you've got me and we're going to talk a little bit about the dnc strategy for twenty twenty four. The democratic national committee has already begun strategizing about the two thousand two thousand four presidential election. And you're seeing mike pence and Donald trump right next to me and this year old because they are part of the group of people who are currently being investigated for opposition research. This is par for the course. This is how politics works. Opposition research is a big part of how campaign strategize. But what concerns me is that it's not something that tends to work these days against the republican party. Now i'll make my case in a minute. But before i do let me give you. The details. Got to give you the facts. According to the hill the dnc is digging up dirt on several prominent and unconventional possible gop contenders ranging from the former president. Donald trump florida governor ron disentis and former united nations ambassador. Nikki haley to fox news host tucker carlson and mike lindell the founder of my pillow and a staunch trump ally. By the way. I like that. They decided to group tucker carlson and lindell to other right. It's like here the more serious candidates and then here the unconventional candidates also other. Gop figures such as senators. Ted cruz josh hawley. Rick scott former vice president mike pence and former secretary of state. Mike pompeo are also considered po- potential. Twenty twenty four contenders. I don't even think they need to bother with. Mike pompeo like it. I think it's impossible for mike. Pompeo win i mean he's a giant war hawk. He's got no charisma whatsoever. I just. I really find it hard to believe that. He's even a little bit of a threat. But i get it you want to do op research on all the possible contenders now. The effort started weeks. Just weeks after the inauguration and is being headed by nick bauer the group's research director bauer is being aided by caroline. Graham and austin deeter two of his deputies all right now you guys know the and now it gets to the point where i explain why this is probably not a good idea. It's not that it's a bad idea to do. Opposition research all parties do it. It's just part of the campaign strategizing. I get that the problem is what have these individuals said privately any worse than what they say and do publicly now in two thousand sixteen democratic focused solely on attacking donald trump over the awful things he had said and done and to be sure. There were many things i mean. He was a target rich environment talking about grabbing women by the genitals talked about you know how. Mexicans are allegedly rapists and murderers and drug dealers. I mean we heard all of the terrible things from the trump camp back in two thousand sixteen and hillary's campaign focused primarily on that messaging trump is bad. He's a bad boy. We're not bad when he goes low. Wego hi we're better than that and vote for us but there was a big messaging issue there because voters didn't care about the bad things that can't that trump campaigned on. They didn't care about the terrible things he had said he still one and then you look at his term and he continued to say terrible things. He continued to do awful things. I mean talked about good people. On both sides referring to the charlottesville hate marchers. who were chanting. Jews will not replace us he totally bungled the coronavirus pandemic the us response to it. At least and i think honestly that's where he suffered the most politically hadn't he handled the crow virus better. I think that joe biden would've had a much more difficult time winning but my point here is the negative attacks against the republican party. Haven't really seemed to work. I mean we just focused on donald trump. Fine let's put that aside for a minute. But jim jordan was approached by multiple wrestlers about sexual abuse and he told them to keep quiet. Allegedly we know about that. And jim jordan is still a gop lawmaker. What do these people do in private. That's worse than what they do in public and look. There might be things that they do privately. There are far worse but is it enough to persuade people to leave them and vote for the democratic party. That's that's i mean tucker carlson. That's the other person that they're digging up opera research on your to dig that much. I mean he's saying insane white nationalist crap on his show on a nightly basis. Now and so. What can the democratic party do. What is far smarter strategy. Do op research on joe manchin and kirstin cinema and members of your own party that refused to pass the very policies that would make democratic party wildly popular. Now on the right. We see what happens to someone like representative. Liz cheney who dare speak out against donald trump and the big lie which is that. The election was rigged and stolen from donald trump. liz cheney's facing a lot of political backlash from republicans as a result of that but on the democratic side. No one is ever willing to play hard ball when it comes to ensuring that popular policy actually passes. Now do i think the biden administration is gonna do op. Research joe mansion. No of course not or cure cinema or mark warner or any of these other corporate democrats who get pond off as as moderates when in reality they're conservatives who are paid to spout the ridiculous nonsense that they do while serving as obstacles to infrastructure policy that we need to Family leave policy that we need to redistributive policies. That american not only needs but honestly i think our national security at this point relies on it. I think the future of the country relies on it so if they actually were able to improve people's lives fundamentally materially. I think that that carries a lot more weight then. Complaining about how awful. The republican candidates are because they are awful. The thing is they're not hiding it. They're putting it on full display because their voters love it but what the republican candidates will not offer is a better life. They're not gonna offer solutions for healthcare. They're not gonna offer solutions to do away with corporate greed. I mean they'll pretend like they care about corporate greed. But they won't do anything about the question is while democrats propose wonderful legislation. I would like to go much further than it does. But still it's a start. Are they willing to fight for it. Accomplish it and improve the lives of the very people. They claim to be concerned about because if they do. I would argue that. They would be far more popular than they are today and the opera research wouldn't need to be a big part of their campaign. It wouldn't have to be the thing that they latch onto or rely on to to be popular to win these elections. They're just not willing to do it. So far. what we've seen from biden administration is a pretty decent list of executive orders. The corona virus relief package was okay. They certainly did cave to the demands of a conservative democrat. Like joe manchin cutting the weekly unemployment amount from four hundred dollars a week to three hundred dollars a week. They implemented more means testing mid-eighties to do any of that but still that relief. Bill did improve the financial situation that many americans were feeling anxiety about at that time but moving forward. We do need to do something about the infrastructure bill which is wildly popular. We do need to pass. Biden's american families act which is also tremendously popular across the board even with republican voters if they fight for it if they accomplish it again they don't have to rely on the oppo research because americans will feel that improvement in their lives and that speaks much louder than trump bad pence bag. Tucker carlson racist they know all that. Anyway we gotta take a break actually. No you know what i'm gonna keep going. I have four more minutes. This is great. I'm not used to being able to do five stories like this. But i want to give you an update on the liz. Cheney story because there's an update and I don't really feel bad for her. But i think it is a cautionary tale for anyone in the republican party. Who dare speak their mind or speak the truth. So house minority whip steve scalise. The second most powerful member of the gop in the house is now also backing the ouster of representative liz cheney due to her unwillingness to go along with a pro-trump narrative now this has been a developing story Comes after kevin mccarthy the senate. I'm sorry the house minority leader getting caught on a hot mike saying that he is frustrated with liz. Cheney and her unwillingness to basically stop criticizing donald trump. Stop telling americans the truth about what actually happened in the election which is the fact. That biden won it. But when you look at scoliosis. Lisa statement and what he suggests. You can already read the tea leaves. You know what's going to happen to cheney house. Republicans need to be solely focused on taking back the house in two thousand twenty and fighting against speaker pelosi and president biden's radical socialist agenda and elise. Stefanik is strongly committed to doing that. Which is why whip scalise has pledged to support her for conference chair so that was a statement from a spokesperson. A spokesperson for steve scalise. Essentially saying that he absolutely does back. liz cheney losing that leadership position and the name stefanik is now In the republicans consciousness. This is what they want. They want to replace her wits to find a coup. Actually is a little more moderate when you look at her voting record compared to liz. Cheney liz cheney has voted with trump often than stefanik has however. There's a big difference. Stefanik knows that she needs to present herself as a trump loyalist in her words in her actions. Maybe some votes. Not so much but it doesn't matter. She knows where the republican voters are and the vast majority of them still approve of donald trump. And if you wanna have a political career in the republican party you just gotta go along with it. You can't tell voters that truth. Like cheney did. That's political suicide and we're seeing that right now as we speak now Donald trump of course loves the idea of replacing cheney in this leadership role with a loyalist like stefanik. And so he's weighed in and he says that elise stefanik is a far superior choice and she has my complete and total in for. Gop conference chair elise is a tough and smart communicator. And what does define have to say about this. She didn't even do the fake like. Oh no i'm not. I'm not even thinking about this. No i'm i'm really focused on my constant now. She says it she loves it. She says this. Thank you president trump for your one hundred percent support for house. Gop con conference chair. We are united and focused on firing pelosi and winning and twenty twenty two. So it's worth discussing what this means for both the republican party and honestly the democratic party as well because while the democratic party was already a big tent with progressives and corporate democrats all included in one. Now we have this situation in which these trump era republicans people like liz. Cheney are looking for a place to call home and many of these never-trumpers even before the two thousand twenty election decided to make their way to the democratic party. And what we should be concerned about is how these people who tend to come along with money interests can push the democratic party further to the right which is the exact opposite of what we want so while you know. There are some positive reactions. People are amused by what's going on. They think it's funny. I get it and certainly. I don't feel bad for cheney at all but my point here is. I don't want liz. Cheney's brand of republicanism to further infiltrate the democratic party which has already become quite a bit of a problem in their lack of representation of working americans and their willingness to take on a more favorable view toward corporate america. So that's already been a trend. And i'm worried that it's going to continue to be exacerbated by what's happening in the gop and clearly what's happening in the gop. Is this pretty terrifying authoritarian culture. Where there's one true leader you're not allowed to ever tell the truth or speak out against someone in this position of power donald trump. If you do there will be brutal retaliation. You'll lose your leadership position. I mean for a party that consists of countless people who claim that they're disgusted by cancel. Culture get a lotta them if you tell your constituents the truth about what happened in the two thousand twenty election and you go against our dear leader. Donald trump will. They'll be a price to pay so liz. Cheney effectively getting cancelled by the republican party. They're going to have a vote on this next week. And it's pretty clear how it's all gonna turn out but this chaos in the gop does spill over in negative ways for the democratic party as well and that's something to keep an eye on. Let's take a break and when we come back our good friend. John zarrella will join us to have a discussion about the coronavirus vaccine and many other topics. One of my favorite stories of the day is meghan. Mccain's reaction to what's happening to liz. Cheney don't miss it. I'll see you in a few minutes.

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Democracy Works: David Frum

Future Hindsight

43:05 min | 2 years ago

Democracy Works: David Frum

"Welcome to future hindsight. I'm meal. Atma's. While suture hindsight is in between seasons. We're excited to bring you an episode from the democracy works podcast, which examines what it means to live in a democracy. Queudrue hindsight. We'll be back with the new season on may eleventh. This episode is a conversation with David from a staff writer for the Atlantic, and former speechwriter for President George W Bush. He's a lifelong conservative and vocal critic of President Trump's attacks on democratic norms and institutions. You'll hear his thoughts on how we can use the tools of civic engagement to push back against this democratic erosion and build the democracy, we want for selves and for our future. Democracy works is produced by the Courtney institute for democracy at Penn State, and w PSU Penn State central Pennsylvania's NPR station here. More episodes at democracy works podcast or search democracy works, wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you to democracy, works and Janice Bonelli for sharing this episode. Let's heaven. From the mcchord institute for democracy on the campus of Penn State university, a Michael Berkman, and I'm crispy. And this is democracy works. Chris today, we have a very special guest David David from the writer foot Lanta magazine. Former speech writer, for George Bush prominent conservative intellectual, author of ten books, most recently of the book, Trump Crecy the corruption of the American Republic is with us in studio today. Yeah. It's, it's a real privilege and play. It's really interesting. Just to hear him. Hear him talk. But. We brought him in and we wanted to talk to him because we feel like we have a perspective or a frame of reference for the stuff that he has written about and his and his attitude with respect to the Trump presidency that have some distinctiveness, and hopefully some value to people. Well, I think it's more than just about the Trump presidency. I think it's about the state of western democracy. That's right, more broadly. Yeah. And I see him as part of a, a class of people who are really interesting. And prominent, and I think quite passionate these days of these conservative conservative authors, commentators up political activists of political operatives in some cases, who have really turned against the Trump administration turn against Donald Trump pretty early, actually, and much of the Republican party who supports them. I'm thinking of Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post Schmidt. The Bill Kristol some really prominent Republicans that call Wallace who's now on MSNBC, Evan McMullen who ran for ran for president. Right. Actually. So there a there's something going on here. There are, you know, to kind of main themes in American founding, thought, one is the, the liberalism of John Locke and the idea that government is just there to protect property and freedom. And that's about it. And then there's another strain that goes by the name of civic republicanism, which is, you know, very unwieldy and not very clear. But the argument is, basically that without a an attention and concern for virtue and ethics and. Norms of behavior on the part of both leaders and citizens democracy is very hard to sustain, and I think that is one of the things one of the themes that really unites these people who've come out against Trump. Well, one of Madison's most famous lines, I think, in federal ten is the idea that men are not angel. Right, right. And so you have to build a government with consideration that meant that men are not angels. Also, what I see in Madison that I think speaks to what you're, you're talking about, is this idea that yes, civic republicanism is focused on, on the citizenry in an informed citizenry, an engaged citizenry, virtuous citizenry. It's also on finding high-quality leader right Madison, especially, but most of the founders had no illusions about human nature and no allusions about people who seek power, but they also were very nervous about democracy. They were very nervous about putting power in the hands of the people. They saw they saw the they saw Greek democracy as mob rule. They saw the way many of the states were operating at the time and for the constitution as, as also being essentially mob rule, and the end the decline and collapse of the Roman Republic. Right. This is what everyone, you know, before United States America thought that democracy was unworkable. And so they were very concerned about the, the. The fabric of a society, and what was required in order to sustain, and maintain a democratic way of life. And that meant that you could not be indifferent to either. What was required of citizens? What kind of people they were? And what kind of leaders you have and, and David from in particular, but not alone among this group is very critical of, of Donald Trump as leader then he's also concerned about the state of a state of, of the people that they would that they would choose somebody who I think he would argue as basically a demagogue, right? And, and this is something I think they that he and many others in this kind of group and people we've talked about previously on the podcast. See throughout western democracies were broadly. When we did our book reviews show. We saw this in several of the books that we write rude. So again, architect is not too. You know, talk about, you know, where Donald Trump stands in terms of, you know, his approval rating or anything like that. But just to raise some some very important themes about democracy that come out of his analysis and out of his book. So I think we should bring them on. Let's hear from David Jenna. This is Dennis Bonelli, joined here today with David fromm David, thank you so much for joining us on democracy works pleasure to be here. So we like to say around the accordion, suited and on this podcast that we are partisans for democracy. And I think that that is, is a label that certainly fits you as as well. You might even put us to shame in, in some respects in that regard, your one of one of the first in anything most consistent voices writing about the condition of American democracy, since Donald Trump kind of came onto the political scene like to, to back up and talk about how that, how that thought process, kind of started for you was was Trump's entry into presidential politics, kind of the, the catalyst free, or does it go back further than that. It was not the catalyst, it was the catalyst insensitive catalyst is an agent that ignites reaction whose elements were already present, so I had been thinking a lot about eastern central Europe. In the years before the twenty sixteen election. So in a lot of time in Ukraine in twenty fourteen I have close friends who are very actively involved in polish politics. And in the spring of two thousand sixteen I spent about a month in Hungary reporting four story about Hungary that actually never saw the light of day in the Atlantic, where I published my work at we ended up cannibalizing a lot of that story for other purposes because instead of happening over there it happened here. So I was sort of ready for all of this. I was ready for it in another way, too, which is when Donald Trump appeared on the scene as declared presidential candidate in the summer twenty fifteen. Of course, he's been on the American scene since the eighties, but when he declared I at first thought he might actually do some good for America American politics because he said he seems such an obviously farcical figure it was incredible to me that he could actually go anywhere. But what he might do was helpfully, disrupt, a Republican party. I have replied. Background. They had become kind of stuck in. It's ways, never Kurt to me that it might actually go anywhere. And yet, you can can you talk about your journey from somebody who has been a very well known conservative to voting for Hillary Clinton and can wear where things stand today. I remain a very conservative person, and there are a number of people who follow my work who might be if it when, when the question next comes up about the role of state in the economy and things like that might be they'll be surprised. I retain the conservative views I'm market person. I'm a limited government person. I'm someone who thinks that load. Little low taxes are good and not just and that we should sacrifice some other things in order to keep taxes low, but those questions of economic organization, all have take place, within a context of a rule of law and a functional democracy. And the lessons of what Europe should teach us that all the institutions that look, so rock solid. From the point of view say two thousand and five look a lot less rock-solid today and you have to protect those institutions because markets depend on rules and they markets, depend on politics. You have to get the politics, right or else. You're markets can miscarry in ways that are very damaging to democracy to honest government end to the aspirins of people, and it would use it that, that is kind of the through line that, that unites, the yourself people Jennifer Rubin, Steve Schmidt, all the kind of people of conservative ideology that, that have come out against Trump. And I think one of the things that's really it has also through line that explains why this argument is become increasingly an international one, you know, we need to what has that we what is happening in Italy is very relevant. It's all also the one of the things that is very useful. But setting the European examples is. There's no question. We are living in a world that is not doing as good a job, delivering four ordinary voters as it did a generation ago. And so this is created a crisis of democracy across the developed world and sometimes the part of the demo of the system that gets sick is the right hand part, and that's, that's the story in the United States has the story in France. But it can also be the left hand part that figure Jeremy Corbyn in the United Kingdom is very, very Trump. Like they're important differences, but they're also very ominous similarities and Italy to that this. Disaffection from democratic systems from a belief in free instutions it can show up on the left hand side of the political spectrum. And I think the other thing that kind of butts up against us is perhaps notion of a can't happen here. I mean, we're seeing this all over the place that the new issue of the Atlantic very boldly asked the question is democracy dying. I don't know how much more blunt, you, can, you can get about it d as you've been out there writing, and talking about these things you feel like this, this message is getting through that, yes, it can actually happen here. Use happening here. What we always believe the United States when a fever spreads through the world, the United States will get it last and that look, but for eighty thousand votes in three states, the Americas might have been smug and said, well, yes, we got, you know, we were exposed to the virus, but we didn't get. So this, there may be something -education, but is this is not just an American problem. I mean, the quality of democracy in India, the quality of democracy in South Africa, the quality of democracy in the Philippines, all worse than ten years ago and countries country Turkey, which was ten years ago, real democracy. Certainly twenty years ago, Israel democracies today, an outright dictatorship. And so this is something we, we need understand this is going around the semi developed world is more exposed than the developed world within the developed world. And I think maybe many of us carry mind, the old history of the nineteen thirties where the English speaking countries where the most immune to the anti. Democrat disease, then that actually England and I say England Britain because Scotland is is better England. And the United States are among the most exposed this time round and who do you think is, is that the leader to can bring bring back the bring back this notion of, of democratic norms are kind of restore the, the standing of democracy in the world who takes the lead on that. Well, I think the very. The search for leaders is the problem because what we're defend the reason that this is such a struggle is on the one side, you see charismatic leaders who say, I alone can fix it. On the other side. You see people say, we need to defend institutions. We needed van meetings, one of the questions I get asked a lot by younger people's. What can I do? And my answer's always join something joint, something that has meetings. Don't join a cause or campaign but a regular develop the habits of democracy at where it's boring. That's where it's important at neighborhood advisory councils that oversee, you know, zoning and alcohol licensing. PTA's any- anything that involves regular working with people of somewhat different views because, that's, that's what's lost. I think one of the reasons that social media so important. I, there's a lot of ways in which the impact of social media exaggerated. But here's one way in which is really important with social media promises, and sometimes even delivers is a completely personalized experience. You will see the photographs only from the people, you like jokes, only that you think are funny, political comments only that are able to you. If you see anything you don't like you can instantly eliminate it, and you can live in a world made up of that's designed or seemingly. So just for you. Actual politics is could not be more different. You have to work with the work with people who are very different from you, whether you like it or not. You have to find ways to achieve common purposes. And so politics, feels old fashioned. I mean you see a lot of sort of glitzy consultants say, we'll politics, so nineteenth century, we have to find ways of bringing it into the twenty first century what they mean is we have to find ways of making more personalized. But the but the fact that other people are different from you is. That is not going to change if you're going to be an active participant instead of a passive consumer, you have to work with people were different from you. And, and that's why these, when you invoking leadership, the, the moment, you say, I'm waited. I mean it's obviously is a powerful human hunger. I mean, we want leaders the human does think how powerful the human appetite for messiahs must be if you can believe something as facially ridiculous. Bernie Sanders could be them as the messiah, but people believed in him and for no reason. He's just a contain Khris contain Khris unpleasant. Unfunny Larry David cousin, as often said that the person who should have been most grateful that Ted Cruz is elected, the Senate was Bernie Sanders because before, Ted Cruz got Bernie Sanders was the most disliked member of the US Senate. And after he was only the second most dislike member, the US Senate, but people want this, they don't understand is the answer is you. I'm sorry. This turned into a long speech. Let me say one more thing about this, and because for a student audience, especially important to say one of the great truly cares figures in American history. And he was on the left was manning Eugene, Victor Debs founder who's union leader became a candidate for president on the socialist party ticket, and he was a legendary order up man from discourage and personal presence truly cares. Matter figure and followers in the socialist world look to him. And he would tell them I would not lead you to the promised land, if I could because I could lead you in someone else could lead you out and his message was you have to do it yourself. That's interesting thing. But I feel like in some ways, you know my generation and in college, there in some sense, more individualized, and they have more freedom and access to more information, and they can you be who they want to be in so many ways. But there is this sense that you really need. Someone else to, to tell you. It's okay or to put the, the rules in place for you talk about access information. It's true information has never been more potentially abundant the now. But the flip side of that access is it has never been more up to you, whether you use the access, or not, because it is also possible today to be ignorant on a spectacular scale and is possible to be relatively ignorant despite, you know, saying, I'm not going to use the socks. I'm gonna use my time in these powerful social media for other things or I'm gonna disconnect from politics and apply. My, my curiosity to something that is completely apolitical, something completely into. Vigil Listrik, and that all those things become possible. And when that happens, you make it possible for politics to become a hobby and as politics becomes a hobby. It's taken up by hobbyists and hobbyists are not like everybody else. So what, what do you make of some of the, the civic renewal efforts that, that we've seen there certainly been increased efforts to increase voter registration and get people more and more involved in local politics, super, exciting super exciting super important, and the more local the better and. Watch cable news if you want to be on Twitter, if you want to don't let it consume so much time. And don't be so consumed with the national question that you disconnect from your local political situation because that's, that's where you develop the one of the most important articles on that issue of the Atlantic. You're kind enough to refer to I was by my under Yoni Appelbaum talked about the habits of democracy and. Our parents and grandparents were more likely to serve on a jury than we are living the district Colombia, where they're only about five hundred fifty thousand people, and you end up serving on juries a lot. And that experience is really instructed that was the place where your grandparents learned how to participate in a democracy, even more than the voting booth having a potentially very important decision of another human being in the hands of six or twelve people and with chosen almost completely random very different experiences and having to work something out and those experiences, I if you haven't had enough of them, I encourage you to seek out more. And if you're tempted to shirk duty jury duty and it's so inconvenient. I understand that. I've certainly done my part of trying to shirk it. But if once your stock, and you have to do it at the end of he say that was one of the most valuable things I ever did it, it's from, like a an information. You know, so it's so you, you know, the, the Atlantic against us, an example. I mean, I'm sure that the most read stories or anything Donald Trump is on it kind of sucks, the air out of everything so much that you want, try like looking pay attention to something else. He's still kind of, you know, right there. We'll let me put it this way. If. If the alternative is reading more game of thrones, which we used to get a lot of clicks for those stories, you know, then Donald, you're applying your brain, better reading about Donald Trump than you are game of thrones. But if it is distracting you from understanding your town budget or, you know, a dis- arguments at local development than, than it is. Yeah, you should do less than more. What is more? What is under your control? So the title of, of the, the, the talk, you're giving today here Pence aid is all about the guardrails of, of democracy would refers back to a two thousand sixteen piece that you wrote can you kind of take us through what, what some of those, those guard rails are gonna wear? You think things stand them today versus where they were when you wrote that in twenty sixteen the guardrails of democracy in that twenty sixteen piece were it was about a series of restraints. We imagined were there that we'd crash through, and none of the we always thought those guard rails would hold one of the guardrail something focusing, just one. We'll talk about more of them tonight. Is, is the guardrail of ideology that we used to think that what was really important about American American politics was becoming more ideological? This is what we would have said, we're having this conversation have a dozen years ago. The Republican party was becoming more conservative. The Democratic Party was becoming more liberal ideology was mad mattering more and more. But what that meant was the, the upside was, you're, you're more demagogue proof in highly ideological means what mattered was what the candidate stood for check the boxes. You're for this, this, this, this, your liberal you for this, this, this, your conservative. You know, we can compare and contrast. It doesn't matter what you yourself, do all that much. And we discovered in twenty sixteen that actually ideology did not matter that much the Donald Trump hat. He just he routinely disregarded old ideological. He didn't seem even to know what they were oftentimes it didn't matter that he tapped into something more primal. And as excessive ideology is also dangerous. But at least it was something that impose some something on the political system that was not just you've gotta cares. Medic leader. You follow him. You do whatever he says, and to does that explain kind of the split of the Republican party, the people that kind of held to that ideology versus the people that have followed that, that Donald Trump. No, I don't because the thing that is always amazing is you. Donald Trump does something that you would think would be. One crucial element of Republican ideology since the Reagan years has been the belief in open international trade. That's just a you know, talent, you know, just a signature line open, international trade. And, and I wondered when Donald Trump's extreme hostility to trade. Manifested itself, whether that would not jolt the congressional Republicans in restraining him. And it has not it has not that invested. In fact, he is genuinely changing the Republican party. I've heard super orthodox Republicans people lead groups, people lead groups with big donors, saying things like, well, maybe the president has appointed, but these one sided trade deals, and no, he does not. But second, I can't believe you're saying that I can't believe you're saying that because three years ago if when Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton were arguing when Bernie Sanders was saying Hillary Clinton was pretending to believe it. You were horrified back then you were horrified. And now you are saying the same thing. So to wire they saying that what because. Once you sign up once you jump on the Trump train. It ain't a train was transformed tracks. Once you jump on the Trump bus Europe. Prisoner you have to go wherever that buses going, and the farther, you go and the more awful things you accept the more you need to defend the driver or else, you look not just like a foolish person, but not just like a weak person, but in a complicit person, how do you separate the, the person from what they what they believe in, you know? You know, it's like it's also kind of changing that and you'll fundamental fabric like the, the way we talk to each other in those kind of things. Well, that's, that's a very complicated question. And a lot of different answers. I was let me start with the last piece of the way we talk to one, another political communication is not about self expression, a political communications about persuasion. And so when you talk to someone who thinks differently from you, but a lot of things that that, and if you're actually trying to make an impact, you must begin by searching for the thing on which you agree. Once you find one thing you can agree on, then you can develop. Okay, will you since you think this, don't you notice that when you think that, that it contradicts this more fundamental commitment? You've got so you need. So you begin by. Probing for areas where of connection and similarity. But what is also true? I is. You know, people say, don't condemn Trump voters. And of course, we shouldn't condemn any group of human beings for any reason. I mean they are fellow creatures. We're fell there into. And when people do something we need to understand it. And we, we should we should assume that our fellow creatures are, you know, no better, no worse than than us. That's it. It's also true that Trump's succeeds by appealing to what is bad people, and what is cruel, what is domineering, what is brutal, it is ignorant, and that's also part of the story, and in a way it's also unjust to people to say, I'm not gonna treat you like people limited capacity children, or people some kind of mental impairment, if, if someone stands up for what is wrong. The it's interesting to know why you know, here's something that looks so brutal and cruel. Why does it speak to you? And so not for the purposes of communication, the purposes of understanding, we need to know that the Donald Trump easib limited personal lot of ways. He's not a person. You wanna get your information about anything from, but he has a deep understanding of what is dark in the human soul. And he has a deep ability to find that thing and connect to it, and he's built both in business. Announ politics organizations. By recruiting people whom he can reach the dark place. Right. And so it was we're kind of figuring out, you know how how to revive or you know how to bring these conversations about democracy back to the forefront. Is there a time in, in American history when you think we had peak democracy? So to speak, or not to say that we should view it as a stall, juror to something that we should go back to, but things we can offer them. I don't think we should ever look back where we can learn. I'm a historian by academic training. I'm interested in it. We should always. Learn from the past, but vertibrak the German poet said, we must always prefer the bad new days to the good old days. This is our time. And, and what is their things to learn from the American past, but the American past like all pass also deep flaws? I think are the thing that should keep us in. Is not a backward glance over the shoulder for anything the information, but we should also say, counter selves, blast that we live at a time when our actions can make a difference for our country and to step up to that responsibility. And that includes learning to be a responsible user of the social media, that are implicated in our problem, also means a learning to be a better neighbor. You know, so much one of the ways to predict. Who voted for Donald Trump was social isolation, if you had, if you had lots of friends if you had a stable family, you're much less likely to be a Trump voter than if you were more alone and. So bear in mind, because other people's loan lonesome, nece impinges on you. I have a friend who went door knocking in pro-trump areas in Nevada in two thousand sixteen. He's a very successful person from the bay area in the tech industry. I mean, part of the America that has done well at what he was struck by was as he was knocking on doors, everybody in that area was home, they'd nowhere to go and the men were home to, they'd know where to go the and they had nothing to do their home, watching television, and he thought in the area, he knew if you stopped at people's doors to o'clock in the afternoon. No, not even the pet would be out with the dog Walker a no one would be home because they were emeged in complex world. And so one of the questions we're all aft with his we live in a society, which a lot of people are being left behind by technological change. And someone has to reach back and grasp them and pull them alone. So we're going to close here. The, the mcchord needs to we do something called the, the mood of the nation. Poll in is interesting. You mentioned people can disengaging from, from politics, as a result of being so upset or so angry, our, our latest poll findings actually kind of back that up. But anyway, we there are four questions that, that we always ask as part of the poll. So we'll think of this is kind of like a, like a lightning round so to speak, so thinking, specifically about American politics. What makes you angry? What makes me angry every day? There's something to make me angry. And so today is a different day. I think. It makes me angriest in the Trump era is watching the leadership of American democracy. Undermine and even attack America's role in the world that the Trump administration if Donald Trump has one big idea it is that he does not. He sees the world as a place for egotism and the United States is typical nation like China. No different competitor. It has no friends. It has no allies because he has no friends, and they're that anything that purports to be a partnership is, is just a delusion. It's a zero-sum game. I only win if you lose. And. We are parents and grandparents in the years after over to built structures of peace and trade that are valuable beyond are any easy ability to describe, and they are in danger now, and that is probably item, number one on my list of outrageous. And what makes you proud? I'm there, so there are things that they're many things to make me proud. And one of the that's it's important to keep keep hope alive. One of the things that I have been amazed by is the willingness of people to step up to read amid investment. Maybe that's my narrow area. I encounter the lot rising level of can gauge just through the intensity and people, I don't feel that people are reading more experiences and people are reading my work more, but they're also reading much more engaged way that if I were writing something in two thousand and six, they would say, well, I saw your article and they are seen the byline in the headline but they have a very hazy. Recollection if at all what was in it? Maybe they're just being polite today, people really seem to engage with work and they care. It's important to them. And that's that's very exciting. At what makes you worry. Oh my God where it will worry as my default setting. Americans. Have this assumption that because they're Americans everything has to work for the best everything may not work out for the best other people. But the in the United States, it's different. Everything works out for the best Ronald Reagan used to and, and his anecdotes by saying, of course, it will be this way where Americans, I think Americans need to take on board. They're not so different from the rest of humanity and there's no guarantee that things work out. Well here every political thing ends, because it's human and all human things and the American public is not going to be here forever. We hope it will be here for a lot longer than us. But it will not be here forever. And I worry that Americans take a lot for granted and therefore failed to make effort when the effort is required. And then finally, what gives you hope gives me hope is that people are energized, they will. The capacity for discussed for shame is strongly, motivating, and they will they will act in in good time, but what to go back to the worry, I, we need them to acting constructive ways, Senator, Ted Cruz, and his wife for dinner in Washington restaurant in a mob, spots, someone spotted them in a mob of people formed and began to curse them yell at them and make it impossible for them to continue. Eat eating dinner. And when position activity flows into these kinds of mob, forms, symbolic violence, wasn't actually violent, but, but, you know, you're driving somebody have restaurant by sort of making violence visible impossible that a lot. If the if this political energy goes in those directions, those are those are anti-democratic to, and, you know, you don't have to, like everybody on the other side of politics from you, you'll have to respect everybody you have to behave as if you do. And you have in the. The reason when I when I've talked about this people say, why don't like Senator Cruz did this bad thing. And that bad thing, therefore, he doesn't deserve come courtesy, and I'm not endorsing that I mean, he ever desert suspected, but even if you believe that. The thing that governs, how you behave is not what you think the other person is, is what you think you are. And if when you behave in these ways, you attack the system, you supposedly uphold and it makes me question what you really uphold. Little longer while ago. There was a terrible incident where Manny merge Spencer famous white supremacists was talking on the on the corner of the street and somebody came up behind him and that warning punched him in the face right in front of the camera. And then there's a stupid Twitter debate about is it okay to punch a Nazi, and what I'm just by people who defend punching Nazis. Don't hate Nazis. They like punching and they will find a reason to punch people, and people like punching our enemies of society, and I don't care if they come up with some stated good motive or so-called good motive, they are. They are the, the thing they're punching. They're also defending because that impulses a fundamentally anti-democratic illiberal a social impulse and. I worry that we may end up empowering in the name of rescue democracy. We also give cover to people who are important enemies of democracy to do you think we'll see a new set of, of democratic norms emerged in the post Trump era. Hope. So I think the democratic norms were pretty good. I mean, there are some important institutional reforms that are needed, you know, we do have to. We're much more class bounds Sidey than we used to be. We have much greater concentrations of wealth. We're gonna need to figure out some new rules of the road for co coping with that political corruption is much more problem than it was a one generation ago, less three generations ago. There's lots more than generation. We're gonna need some norms to deal with that. And we are going to have to deal not just with norms. But with the substance of politics, we have to make democracy deliver better. That's where all to go back to where we started. The reason why you see the these anti-democratic tendencies from Poland to France to the to the United States to Great Britain, especially England is because so many people don't feel that democracy, worked for them in the way, the people who came of age after World War, Two and retired. You know, fifty years later believed that for them, it had worked. Well, we, we can't unfortunately solve all the problems of democracy on this show, but I'm your insights have been wonderful. Thank you so much, David, for your time today to push to talk. Okay. We're back in. Thank you, David. Thank you. Jennifer. That was a terrific interview really impressively interesting. Really smart guide. Would we were all that artist? Not really sure I'm happy about having a follow to come. I you know, I thought that much of what he spoke about came brings us right back to where you and I started e had a line there, where he said the search for leaders is wrong, and then he goes on, to what I essentially see is a pitch for democracy works. I agree. I mean it, it, it doesn't is not surprising that we saw this in terms of our own kind of frame of reference. But still the idea that, you know, there's nothing simple nothing easy, nothing, self actualising about about politics. It's hard work. It's uncomfortable. It's often unpleasant. But there is still something absolutely essential. Ballot will he actually explores the theme in a little bit different ways in some of our other author, some of our other guests on the on the on the show, because actually it doesn't make it seem so unpleasant. He says, go out and join some. Yeah. And. It reminded me of some of the discussions, we've had about civic education, and how, you know, there are certain kinds of skills, and that you pick up by other things that you're doing being in theater club, something right? Right. Right. As he joins something. You know, get get into the get into the habit of get into the habit of democracy of talking with other people arguing with other people working with other people to get something. Right. Right. So I mean, you know, the I absolutely agree with that. And I do think I mean, he, he did kind of knowledge that, that this is not always fun. It's not the best way to spend an evening, but it's also true that as we've said before that there's something deeply humanizing about this activity. Right. And, and that it's only in this kind of face to face interactions, when you're dealing with other individuals with whom you disagree as people face to face. That you have really an opportunity to honestly engage. And to actually move towards some kind of resolution, and democracy as I stand him talking about it as about, oh, pulling out the best in people not the worst. Well, at least making that possible making that possibly had a great line there. He talks about the darkness of the human soul. And is there a better statement that you can find to describe what a demagogued right right right is to find the darkness of people in exploited? I was especially struck by that one in terms of just this idea that if people do not feel like democracy is working for them. It becomes very easy for them to, to, to reject it to spurn it, and that judgment is for many people fundamentally economic, and it, you know, when you think about what has happened after the, the, the great recession you, you see that in, in a lot of. Entries not just here, but around the world where will wait a minute. This isn't working out for me. There's gotta be somebody who's responsible for this, but in any case, I don't like war. We're getting and tell me what else you got. Right. I mean you see that here you see that in Hungary Poland Turkey throughout the world, that there is this kind of notion that, that in order to if you really want to get things better, you need to make things better for people, and he makes the point. Well, that others have as well that this is happening on the left and the right in, in different places points out in the in the United States says it's the right hand but another places this lesson. Well, I mean demagoguery is not an pop popular. These are not limited or even you know, even track one way or the other. They just they're just there are conditions that an opportunist can understand, and exploited and I really do feel like that's something that you can identify in country after country after country. Yeah. Well. Let's bring it in for a close. That was a well. Terrific interview, covered a lot of subjects that have been important to us on democracy works. I really yet and the one I take away, I think is just this idea that you do have some there is something you can do about this. If you're if you're unhappy with the condition of our politics, become political. Yes. And, and, and maybe an antidote to the constant focus on the presidency, Donald Trump, which, you know, many ways, I think this constant focus on the leader. And I kind of heard this a little bit from him to other, we didn't quite say it is Dr -tarian in and of itself. Right. We shouldn't be so focused on the leader. And, you know, his solution to this is focused locally get involved two groups do the hard work of democracy develop a habit of it. And, and that's how mapra see works. And what better note could we ever have to land on that was that was out of the park? Aiko very good for the McCartney institute for democracy. I'm Michael Berkman. I'm Chris beam. Thank you very much. Listen.

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Democrats demand briefing from Trump appointee for refusing to certify Bidens win

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Democrats demand briefing from Trump appointee for refusing to certify Bidens win

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Biden's win sixteen electoral votes and in making that announcement today. Georgia's secretary of state felt compelled to describe himself as a proud trump supporter. I'm a proud trump supporter. I was with him early. In the two thousand sixteen election cycle and he's governed the nation by the same conservative principles. That i hold dear like other republicans. I'm disappointed. Our candidate didn't win georgia's electoral votes working as an engineer. Throughout my life i live by the motto. That numbers. don't lie as secretary of state. I believe that the numbers that we presented today are correct. The numbers reflect the verdict of the people. Numbers don't lie. But emily murphy continues to lie about numbers. There are no trump lawsuits pending anywhere in america. Tonight that can change the outcome of this election. The only states where trump lawsuits are still pending are nevada and pennsylvania. Joe biden won pennsylvania by eighty one thousand votes. They want thousand six hundred. Twenty two votes joe biden one nevada by thirty three thousand votes and there is no litigation in either of those states that is aimed at changing the vote. Cop which means that. Joe biden clearly fits the definition of apparent winner as described in the presidential transition. Act of nineteen sixty three. The law that. Emily murphy is violating every day that she refuses sign the document that would officially authorized the biden harris transition. Emily murphy is the administrator of the general services administration the law gives the gsa administrator full and exclusive authority to authorize the transition. The president of the united states has nothing to do with the white house. Press secretary has said that the white house press secretary said it is up to the gsa to what we call reach ascertainment for an election they are independent of us and they haven't declared that just yet every day emily. Murphy's silence tells america and the world the lie that we don't have an apparent winner of the presidential election democrats mouse representatives have demanded that emily murphy brief them on monday with the exact reasons why she has not formally ascertained the apparent winner in the election. Carson eric swallow will join us to explain what house democrats can do about. This continued violation of law by emily. Murphy democrats are not the only ones concerned about this. Tennessee's publican senator lamar alexander. Who is retiring at the end of the year and will never again have to beg trump voters to keep him employed said today that emily murphy should authorize the biden harris transition. Senator alexander said if there is any chance whatsoever that joe biden will be the next president and it looks like he has a very good chance. The trump administration should provide the biden team with all the transition materials resources and meetings necessary to ensure a smooth transition so that both sides are ready on day. One that especially should be true for example on vaccine distribution if. Emily murphy shows up to her monday meeting with democrats in the house representatives. The only excuse she can give for not ascertaining an apparent winner in the presidential election is that she believes this guy who yesterday said that the democratic party masterminded a national conspiracy which operated like the mafia and included venezuelan president hugo chavez who has been dead for seven years. Really giuliani said. This said this democratic party conspiracy stolley election for joe biden in the decisive electoral college. States like georgia but he forgot to explain why the same conspiracy failed to elect two democratic senators in george rioux juliani said all of this while sweating profusely with hair dye dripping down each side of his face from these from his perfectly black sideburns with the die going right into the white collar of his shirt and remaining stained there rudy. Giuliani has delivered plenty of evidence over the years for us to conclude that his legal judgment is no better than the judgment he brings to his grooming. It was rudy. Giuliani's considered judgment yesterday that he would somehow looked better and somehow be more convincing in be a better presenter of a convincing case for donald trump if he puts some very strange black stuff on his sideburns and perhaps elsewhere on his head he thought about it thought about it looked in the mirror thought about it and his judgment was. That's a very good idea. Like the accident on top of donald trump's head every day rudy giuliani's hair accident yesterday tells us something important about his judgment but so does everything else rudy. Giuliani says the only legal authority rudy. Giuliani cited yesterday. The only legal authority. He cited was this. Did you all watch my cousin. Vinny the moving to one of my favorite movies because he comes from brooklyn vinnie. Gambino was a fictional character created by screenwriter. Dale launer and played brilliantly by joe pesci in one thousand nine hundred ninety two before some of the reporters in the room for that press conference. Yesterday were born joe. Pesci has not played a lawyer since one thousand nine hundred ninety two and neither has really guiliani ridge. alani doesn't actually practice law and that shows every time he opens his mouth. Would emily murphy believe joe. Patchy dale louder wrote some lines for him to say about joe biden. Actually being the president elect of the united states. Emily murphy has sent her friends out once again to lie for her to reporters this time to the washington. Post and this time one of her friends allowed his name to be used by law. The gsa administrator reports to the president and his subject to his direction and control said jack saint john who was murphy's chief of staff and then general counsel before taking a private sector job last month so to the extent. Emily has been instructed to withhold ascertainment. She really doesn't have any good options. That is ally that is all ally in the white house. Press secretary and the quote that i just read earlier says that that's all a lie. What house press secretary agrees but the law gives sole authority to the gsa administrator. Not the president and if. Emily has been instructed to withhold ascertainment. She does in fact have very good options. She has legal options. She has the legal power to ascertain the apparent winner of the presidential election. And she has sworn duty to do so in her oath of office office which she is violating every day. The washington post article is filled with unnamed friends of emily murphy trying to portray her as a hard worker. As if that matters when you were violating the law the most important quote in the washington post article is given to an unnamed source identified as a senior trump administration official. And this is one of those sources who is trying to get us to sympathize with emily murphy and this source clearly believes that everything this source says is a positive statement about emily murphy like quote. She doesn't want to be disloyal to the administration that hired her. That's not for her. Oath of office says her oath of office does not say. I pledge loyalty to the office. That hired me believing. This is all positive this source goes on to say quote. She is not a bona fide trump. Person the official said she is not a seb corker. Gorka bannon or stephen miller type. No she's not. She is something much much worse. None of those people ever had the power. The emily murphy has joe biden. Said what. Emily murphy is doing means quote. More people may die. Emily murphy has that power of life and death over those people. Washington post journalist. Bob woodward and the author of the book rage about the workings of donald trump's white house reacted to that statement by joe biden by about by saying that not just more people may die. Bob woodward said on this program budwood said. I don't think it's may. I think it's obvious with the number of deaths. Final words attributed to unnamed senior trump administration official. Are these quote. The president does not want a transition the official said. He's made that very clear. And we are following orders. We are following orders. Where have we heard that. Before you hear that in the most indefensible moments in the history of government you hear it around the world we were just following. Orders were just following orders as a statement that is indelibly ash in our consciences as what we should never become. We are following. Orders is something that is only said by people who have taken an oath of office to the government. They are serving in whatever country that is and whatever error that is we are following. Orders is now and always has been the last line of defense for the indefensible. Here and around the world will discuss the fault following of illegal orders and the progress of the harris transition after this break with carson swallow serlin maxwell and david fromm did you know that only one percent of day traders turn a profit so why are so many of us mistaking picking stocks for serious investing. You can't control the markets but you can control your risks. 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Emily murphy on monday to explain exactly why she has not ascertained an apparent winner in the presidential election leading off our discussion tonight. Democratic carson swallow california. He's a member of the house. Judiciary committee in the house intelligence. So lena maxwell is with us she's the host of lena. Nbc's streaming service peacock an msnbc political analyst and david fromm is a senior editor for the atlantic and a former speech writer for president. George w bush is the author of trump ellipse restoring american democracy. I should say the new york times. Beck's bestseller trump oculus a congressman swallow of the. This ascertainment is clearly obvious to everyone. We have a source. Close to emily murphy. Telling the washington post. She's following orders from the president while the white house press secretary as saying the president has nothing to do with it If she shows up for the meeting on monday of what do you think can be accomplished. It's time for ascertainment. Signed for transition. But i'm gonna go at this a little bit differently because i want to believe everything that you just read at sources are saying about emily murphy. That she's a consummate are working government. Employees seen the sources. I read the papers what people are saying to defender. And what. I would say to miss murphy. If she were before me is that it's time to prove your friends right. It's time to for the sake of a kobe transition to save lives for the sake of national security for the sake of our economy. It's time to prove your friends right and do the right thing and when you do that you're going to join the company of people like chris credits. The homeland security official. Who is just fire. You tend to colonel alexander vindman ambassador macchia von and in your letter that you rights when you grant ascertainment few should note the absurd position that the president has put you in congress. What we should do is make sure that in the future. No-one in your position as to make that decision it should probably be more independent so that the president's own appointees are not holding the president but miss murphy joined the company and joined the ranks of the people who stood honored for this country. Because here as attentive colonel desmond said just a year ago yesterday right still matters while the the sources close to emily murphy try to defend her by citing of bush. V gore in twenty twenty which was about exactly one st and a dispute over less than one thousand votes and the outcome. There was clearly going to decide which one of these would become. The president united states and so the delay of the ascertainment was was completely dependent on the supreme court decision. And that's when the ascertainment came this has this case has nothing to do with that. No it doesn't have anything to do with that. And i think every single thing that they put out as an excuse and she has put as an excuse to not a beginning transition. That is necessary in this crisis florence like. Let's be serious about this. The transition is necessary in this moment because we need to get that vaccine distribution and the logistics of all of that underway under the new administration. Just because donald trump doesn't want to admit that he lost doesn't mean that. That's not a fast. Additionally i think you know it is troubling to to even Realize get to a point where there is one woman who because of partisan reasons we don't really know Is not going to sign a letter and that is holding up the entire government response to a pandemic. So perhaps that's something legislatively. The congress as representative swallow just mentioned can take a look at so that this never happens again. But i think it's really interesting. That rudy giuliani is the face of this entire thing. Because i'm old enough to remember when rudy. Giuliani was a part of the conspiracy that the president was impeached for when he attempted to cheat in the election that he just lost it so i just want everybody to remember that is who we saw yesterday representing all of the Week legal arguments that the president is standing on in. This moment is ruin a one. Follow up to that. Are you old enough to remember my cousin vinny. yes actually. It's a very good legal movie. And it has one of the best scenes explaining what the law is. But i wouldn't fight it. If i'm the president's lawyer trying to overturn election from it seems that Emily murphy's memoirs should perhaps be titled. We were following orders. We should think about the real world consequences. You've been doing about this means. I'm i was. In the george w bush administration that got a late start because the of the recount the recount raised authentically. Very difficult issues divided. The country divided two great teams of lawyers divided the florida supreme court on the one side and the us supreme court on the other and al gore would have been in exactly the same position as george w bush is. I started work a couple of days. After the inauguration and i was in an empty administration we would circular. I didn't have a senate confirmed positions so they could just hire me but the senate confirmed positions and those things that were sort of the next tier down. They were empty. When you circulated papers people weren't in the chairs to read the papers. I it made the administration kind of lopsided and the nine eleven commission reported on the real world damage. You did to national security but dozens of other issues that were less pressing than than a global terrorism fell into abeyance. Because people just weren't hired. I mean any new precedent does is asked zaka. Thousands of people should choose a new school for their children to make financial to spend the money on accountants. Financial disclosures To be added that's a time consuming process that has real world consequences for real people. They need the time to do it. And it's not going to happen. And meanwhile aside from ms murphy but other allies the president who are less delusional and the president are sowing seeds of economic sabotage but the incoming administration destroying necessary loan faculties for the federal reserve. I'm trying to cram. It was pro recession federal reserve governors. And by the way one of the things we should all be paying attention to another opportunity for sabotage is the federal government's funding runs out sometime early in december and there may be a government shutdown if president trump could digits taken attitude beginning around the tenth of december carson swallow. Well the joe biden is saying that they are proceeding with the transition as well as they can. Under the circumstances. I want to listen to something. He said yesterday after a discussion with governors about vaccine distribution which included by the way a significant number of republican governors who recognize the next president's going to be. Let's listen to what joe biden said. There is no excuse not to share the data and let us begin to plan because on day one. It's going to take us time if we don't have access to all this data is going to put us behind the eight ball by a matter of a month or more and that's lives. This would be one thing. It would be one level of outrage. If this transition were being delayed in what we might call normal times the idea that it's being delayed during a pandemic with vaccines coming to to availability for the first time in the course of that pandemic government distributional vaccines necessary. That takes it to a whole new level. Lawrence of people will die every day that this transition is delay and the greatest challenge of our lifetime will be to go from vaccine the vaccination not the same thing and it's going to take every government community industry resource to make sure that happens. Mike grandparents were part of the greatest generation. Where if you weren't on the battlefield. Chances are you're in a factory. Making boots bullets in bonds to assist in the effort to win or american day americans will be called with the right leadership in the right transition for all of us to be a part of the same process to fund the testing the treating tracing and of course vaccine. So that you can't miss a vaccine if you go to the gas station a church a cvs of a supermarket everywhere you go. There needs to be a vaccine. So that every american every person in the world is inaugurated but that will only happen if joe biden and his team are able to be ready on day. One get ready as well as they are able to but it takes cooperation in an adult in the white house. Pass over the keys so that they can be right. As early no is an unanticipated value to having chosen a kamala harris as his vice president because senator harris now being a member of the intelligence committee of like carson swallow in the house has access to intelligence briefings that would otherwise be unavailable in any way to the team of joe biden and kamala harris. But it must be awkward lawrence. Because she can't talk to him about it so that has to be a little bit of an odd thing for her to get these intelligence briefings and he is not getting them. But i think look. It's the best case scenario that you had a vice a former vice president coming into this position. I spoke with elissa master monaco yesterday on on my show and she was talking about how You know he has years of experience in the white house. He knows where everything is he. He knows which levers to pull and hold a call to get what he needs. And i think that that is incredibly beneficial to the american people in this moment of crisis but again i feel like what we're watching is the president has completely ceased the job of actively being the president. He's trying very hard to avoid becoming a defendant. And i think the american people's lives are on the line as he's trying to avoid that scenario and that's really unfortunate thing and i think he needs to be held to account carson eric's while wells early to maxwell david frum thank you very much. We're starting off our discussion tonight. Really appreciate the republican leaders of the michigan legislature flew to washington today on commercial airliners risking their health to visit donald trump in the white house. Michigan's lieutenant governor will tell us why they wasted their time. That's next it's chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. i'll be talking with texas. Tribune reported avi livingston about the fascinating and rapidly changing political landscape in texas. There's a mantra in politics. That is yard signs. don't vote. There became this cultural thing of yard. Signs are a waste of money. Don't spend money on them. And so that really been a yard sign war in texas a rock used yard signs and what happened was people in republican sides of town had better work signs in their yards and it was sort of a coming out process of people who lived in republican areas. Saying you know what. I'm actually a democrat and they would go to meetings and clubs and see people they knew and didn't know. Oh you're a democrat. To and so. I think what has changed. That can't go. Back is now a social acceptance of being a democrat in a way that didn't before two thousand eighteen. That's this week on. Why is this happening. Search for why. Is this happening every listening. Right now and subscribe doll. Trump is desperately trying to raise money from people who can be tricked into believing that donald trump has a chance at overturning. The will of the largest of voters in american history who have made joe biden. The president elect of the united states and in order to keep raising money with multiple emails. A day said to his supporters. Donald trump needs stunts publicity. Stunts to give people hope that he can overturn the election. Today's stunt was to invite the republican leaders of the michigan legislature to the white house for a discussion that Giuliani was not allowed to attend. Because he's he was exposed to the coronavirus yesterday through his son who has tested positive for covid nineteen when michigan house speaker. Lee chatfield senate majority leader. Mike left the white house. They issued this statement. Completely deflating the entire stunt. We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in michigan and as legislative leaders we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding michigan's electors just as we have said throughout this election. Two republicans and two democrats on the state board of canvasses in michigan will meet on monday to certify the election results but one of the republicans. Norman shincho schinkel told the washington post yesterday that he was leaning towards seeking a delay and requesting an audit of the votes citing debunked conspiracy theories touted by trump and his attorneys about voting machines. Today michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson said. This the law is also very clear about what had happened in the circumstances. And there's lots of checks and balances in place to protect and preserve the will of the people and to protect and preserve the democratic process the small d democratic process. And so i fully expect you know no matter what avenue and house our secure securities. It is we'll take that path and that ultimately the will of the people michigan will direct the the state's electors just as it's Required under law joining us. Now is michigan. Lieutenant governor garland gilchrist lieutenant governor. What is the legal situation there on monday. One of the republicans of this group of four has a problem doing his job over lajoie. Thank you for having me on discussed this The truth is a four person board and the board decides their decisions about majority vote and so we fully expect that a majority of the michigan state board of canvassers will do their job and care at the responsibility and fair to buy the same election results. All eighty three counties in michigan at also certify that they don't participate in the kinds of republicans stunts and tactics that are being directed by the president when he summoned republican lawmakers into. I don't know. I'm a software guy. Try to beta test is next theory about how to try to steal this election. But it sounds like what i when i read the legislative leaders statement after the oval office today they they said that no evidence whatsoever was presented to them in that room according to their statement. Well the truth is we haven't seen a read out. And i think if we've learned anything in this post election drama we've seen republicans can't be trusted with democracy in these particular republicans legislative leaders in michigan. They they're worth can't be trusted. We need to watch what they do and not just what they say neither the same people whose say that they believe that mass work. They're not willing to pass legislation to require masks in the state of michigan. They lied time and time again. And so i will trust this once. The election results are certified. Expect that to happen on monday. And so if there is a we just heard senators states on very confident about the process. Even if the a speed bump on monday There is still a an undeniable process that the voters of michigan their decision will be recorded and the electors will be a- voting for joe bud. That's right. The people of michigan spoke with a clear and loud voice. Joe biden won michigan by margin. That is fifteen times the margin that donald trump went michigan in two thousand sixteen. The election is over. This is a process that must be completed to certify. That result at these results are not going to change these of canvasser members. They now just need to do their job. So that we can see r biden electors and move forward. The biden transition. Listen to what debbie dingle a congresswoman dingle had from michigan had to say about this situation were literally thousands of people who had never been involved in talent before who were nonpartisan. Observers in recent Prostate of michigan and they continue to tell us that they saw no misconduct. Everything has been looked at. We need to move on. We did not undermine people's confidence in our democracy. What is your sense of the state at this point Clearly a majority of the voters are in favor. Joe biden going forward but how much how much political payoff is there of republicans in somehow trying to appear to resist this. What we have seen time and time again. This election season is that when republicans try to undermine democracy. The people and the voters step up to defend and protect democracy. We saw that with those people who work the polls for the first time thirty thousand people as the congresswoman sled but we also saw wayne county board of cameras attempted to undermine the votes of black detroit. Like me and my wife. We saw people step up and speak out and stand tall and say no you will start by our election results in you will not throughout the votes of voters in detroit's and so i think the people can be trusted with democracy and republicans have demonstrated that they cannot be no matter what they pull no matter what words they use. Their actions are speaking out of those words michigan. Lieutenant governor garland gilchrist. Thank you very much for us. Not really appreciate eight. Grabbed me lawrence safe. Thank you and coming up. Remember when jon ossoff attacked senator david perdue being a crook in their georgia senate debate. And then david purdue refuse to participate in any more debates. Well now there are new allegations that would make the crook section of the debate much much longer. John will join us today on the day. That president elect joe biden was certified as the winner of georgia's sixteen electoral votes. Mike pence campaigned in georgia for republican. Senator david perdue. Who is now facing new questions about his financial transactions the daily beast reports right before he was put in charge of a powerful senate subcommittee with jurisdiction over the us navy. Senator david perdue began buying up stock in a company that made submarine parts and once he began work on a bill that ultimately directed additional navy funding for one of the firms specialized products purdue sold off the stock. Earning him tens of thousands of dollars in profits. There seems to be something of a pattern. Here with georgia's republican senators after closed senate briefing in january about the potential impacts of covid nineteen senator. Kelly law clerk sold off as much as three point one million dollars in stock while purchasing stock in a telework software company whose products would become all the more important for people forced to work from home during a pandemic at the same time. Senator purdue purchased one point eight billion dollars in stock including in a company that produced personal protective equipment here democratic candidate for senate john also during his last debate with senator perdue. Perhaps senator perdue would have been able to respond properly to the covid nineteen pandemic if you hadn't been fending off multiple federal investigations for insider trading. It's not just that you're a crook senator. It's that you're attacking the health of the people that you represent. Senator perdue is now refusing to debate. Jon ossoff again before the january fifth senate election in georgia after this break jon ossoff will join us and get tonight's last word today on the day that president elect joe biden was certified as the winner of georgia's sixteen electoral votes. Mike pence campaigned. In georgia for republican. Senator david perdue. Who is now facing new questions about his financial transactions the daily beast reports right before he was put in charge of a powerful senate subcommittee with jurisdiction over the us navy. Senator david perdue began buying up stock in a company that made submarine parts and once he began work on a bill that ultimately directed additional navy funding for one of the firms specialized products purdue sold off the stock. Earning him tens of thousands of dollars in profits. There seems to be something of a pattern. Here with georgia's republican senators after closed senate briefing in january about the potential impact of covid nineteen senator. Kelly laughlin sold off as much as three point one million dollars in stock while purchasing stock in a telework software company whose products would become all the more important for people forced to work from home during a pandemic at the same time. Senator purdue purchased one point eight billion dollars in stock including in a company that produced personal protective equipment here as democratic candidate for senate john also during his last debate with senator purdue well perhaps senator perdue would have been able to respond properly to the covid nineteen pandemic if you hadn't been fending off multiple federal investigations for insider trading. It's not just that you're a crook. Senator it's that you're attacking the health of the people that you represent. Senator perdue is now refusing to debate john again before the january fifth senate election in georgia. After this break. Jon ossoff will join us and get tonight's last word. Democrats are trying to do it all over again in the state of georgia for the january fifth senate elections. We just finally got in the last twenty four hours. I file from the secretary of state on which georgia's have requested vote by mail ballots already for the january fifth run. It is over. Seven hundred thousand georgians have already requested a mail ballot to give you a sense of scale about one point. Three million georgians cast mail ballots in the general election. So you can see. There is clearly enthusiasm. Join us now. Jon ossoff democratic candidate for us senate in georgia. Thank you very much for joining us once again tonight. What is your reaction to that. Point that the There's already a surge in requests for mail in ballots lawrence. The enthusiasm here is off the charts and georgians are waking up now each morning. Would this feeling in our hearts. We haven't felt in four years and it's hope the trump nightmare is ending. He's going whether he knows it or not. And now we have the opportunity to define the next era in american history to enact legislation to get us out of this pandemic and economic crisis. But if we win these two senate races we understand the stakes here. Because if we don't win these two racists mcconnell will do to jilin kamla exactly what he tried to do to president obama so the stakes are high. Were working hard and the people are already requesting their ballots to participate. I have to say we've never seen anything like this. A very tough presidential campaign ends in a clear victory And yet and yet this these very important campaigns continue in one state. And i just can't imagine what it's like to be in georgia now because the rest of us outside of georgia. A lot of people are just relaxing. It's finally time in the hammock For politics they can pull back and relax. How do you. How do you possibly keep that energy going. I mean i've seen you know the nba go into s. You know you go beyond the standard time when they end in a tie you know at the go into an extra quarter it but this is. This is a much more difficult thing. I think to to keep that energy going war. Invigorated where invigorated by the president-elect's victory. Here where invigorated by ten years of organizing and turnout work in the voter registration. And all i can do is humbly. Ask those across the country to help us help us in georgia help us get out the vote like we've never done it before. In honor of the departed congressman lewis because to senate run ops one st the senate majority hanging in the balance the capacity of the incoming administration to govern and to lead into enact legislation. It all comes down to georgia. We recognize those steaks. We humbly ask for the help of those who can help us get out. The vote elect. John elect j. o. N. dot com log on for one dollar elvis mobilize voters like never before. You tweeted something today. very simple saying that senators not be allowed to trade stocks and whether it is from trading individual stocks period and i have to say in my judgment having worked in the united states senate. That idea is at least a hundred years overdue. Commonsense now introduced legislation on day one to ban senators from trading individual stocks lawrence. My opponent bragged about how he fought against. In personally opposed single. Round of twelve hundred dollar stimulus checks for working people here in georgia. While he's been treating the united states senate like his personal stock trading desks weeks before he took the chairmanship of the seapower subcommittee bought up shares. A manufacturer of nuclear propulsion components and weapons modules virginia class attack submarines than his subcommittee proceeds to add funding to the program. He's cashing out on the stock. This is like the most corruption in the history of the us senate. It's wide david. Produce too much of a coward to come out and debate and it's why we need to reform the senate rules so that officials serve us we who elect them and pay their salaries and not themselves. I have to say that debate moment where you say it's not just that you're a crook senator. A his silence in that moment his frozen. Our reaction was really Something like i've never seen and now the case you have to make against them on. This new reporting is is so much stronger He's just not going to agree to a debate. I assume he didn't wanna debate. He knows he can't defend the indefensible. His staff is barely even trying to defend him. It is well known across the political spectrum here in georgia that this guy is bent is corrupt is using his office to line his own pockets. Help us win. Elect john dot com. We can finish the job in georgia. Thank you lars jon. Ossoff democratic candidate for senate in georgia. Thank you for joining us. Once again tonight reprint it and kiranas of gets tonight's last word. The eleventh hour with brian williams starts now. Hi it's msnbc's alley vel. She you know these days. There's just so much news to wrap your head around. It's hard to know what's most important. 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Savage Love Episode 667

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Savage Love Episode 667

"You're listening to the micro version of the savage love cast w._w._w. Dot savage love casts dot com relationship <music> dayton paso gilroy virginia beach and that's just the summer summer. I've been doing this podcast for almost a decade and i've opened the show. I don't know how many times talking or having to talk about the latest mass shooting ranting about the n._r._a. And republicans who refuse to pass the kind of gun safety regulations background checks closing the gun show loophole state storage liability insurance the kind of gun safety regulation supported by super majorities of americans including majorities of republicans gun owners for fuck sake anare members actually this morning. I thought i'd take a look at the timeline of mass shootings the united states since we started doing the show and then guess how many times i'd had to open the show talking about guns guns turns out there but a hundred and twenty mass shootings in the united states over the last ten years which means i could have opened one out of every five shows with the rant about guns john's thousand oaks california pittsburgh parkland. It never stops austria for the last few weeks to see friends. Hideout gets writing adding don and a week ago right before the mass shooting at the gilroy garlic festival. I said to one of my friends that there's always this moment that sneaks up on me when i'm over there when it occurs occurs to me that i haven't walked into a store or sat in a restaurant or seen a show and thought hope i don't get shot since i left the united states and the crazy easy thing is this usually occurs to me. Only after i start feeling a familiar kind of anxiety i start to feel like fucking shit. There's something important that i forgot to do and then it's like oh right. I forgot to worry about getting shot to death everywhere. I go. It doesn't have to be this way. We don't have to live like this. We don't have to live with the constant nagging fear of gun violence or the constant horrifying reality of it as david fromm wrote in the atlantic this weekend there is one developed country and only one in which it is not only legal but easy and convenient to amass private arsenal of of mass slaughter that country also happens to be the one and the only one regularly afflicted by mass slaughters perpetrated by aggrieved individuals more guns more killing fewer guns less killing brennan writes. Everybody else has that figured out. Americans and and only americans refused to do so. Austria has racists and austria has mentally ill. People and austria has a right wing movement and nationalist populist racist movement that has put demagogues and power austria also has video games and the internet and drag queens and gay marriage and yes there are actually republicans out there blaming gay marriage and drag queens for el paso and dayton when austria doesn't have is mass shootings and it's not like it's impossible to get a gun and austria australia actually has according to c._n._n. The most relaxed gun laws in europe and here's what those relaxed gun laws look like like anyone who wants to buy a gun austria must pass a criminal history background check submit to a mental health survey pass a course on safe gun handling and saved gun storage and install a safe gun storage system a gun safe or locking case in their home before they're allowed to buy a gun and anyone who buys a rifle or shotgun has to do all that but also has to wait three days before picking it up those are the e. U.'s laxest gun regulations ladies and gentlemen and they're the reason why mass shootings while not an impossibility posssibility anywhere people have guns aren't a constant nagging fear there or a daily reality despite all the drag shows in vienna vienna. You know what else we shouldn't have to live with a racist piece of shit in the oval office cranking up his fellow white supremacists and inciting violence against black and brown on people. We're constantly told that the president's number one job is keeping americans. Safe are racist. President is getting americans killed. Take it away beta ark this president his his open racism is also an invitation to violence. We've seen a rise in hate crimes every a single one of the last year joe. You're you're absolutely right. The writing has been on the wall since his maiden speech down escalator describing mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals the actions that follow cannot surprise and anyone who is surprised <hes> is part of this problem right now including members of the media who asked hey beto. Do you think the president is racist. Well jesus christ. Of course he's racists. He's been racist from day one before day one when he was questioning whether barack obama was born in the united states he's trafficked in this stuff from from the very beginning and and we are reaping right now what he has sown and what his supporters supporters in congress have sown we have to put a stop to it set aside russia and obstruction of justice and violations of the emoluments clause house democrats grads can and should impeach the motherfucker just just forgetting americans killed in charlottesville at the tree of life synagogue at the walmart art in el paso house can impeach the course but only the senate can convict and remove the president so it's not worth it some say because moscow mitch putin's mitch which mcconnell won't allow it dem should impeach the motherfucker anyway. Call mitch mcconnell's bluff because what's going on here is this republicans are hoping they can lock in white minority rule in this country through voter suppression supreme court approved gerrymandering hacking the census their goal aw is to lock in white minority rule before the country becomes minority majority in the next twenty years if they can manage to do that then sticking with trump now l. could keep them in power forever but if they can't manage it and we should all be working hard to make sure they can't who registered to vote today if they can't lock in white white minority rule before the clock runs out standing with trump now standing with trump and his impeachment trial in the senate. That's gonna do to the republican party. Just what lindsey z-grams said it would do to the republican party back in twenty sixteen if we nominate trump graham tweeted during the twenty sixteen g._o._p. Primary we will get destroyed loyd and we will deserve it. That was lindsay. Then lindsey now is one of trump's most servile third polishers trump can barely pinch it off before. Lindsay's lindsay's tongue is all over at polishing it for us. What do they have on him. I wonder i wonder very briefly because i think we all know what they have have on lindsay all right coming up on today's show on the micro edition of the savage love cast tons of your cues lots of my as and the magnum addition of the savage love cast that you can subscribe it's savage love cast dot com twice as much and no ads dr debbie her benefit from indiana university joins us to talk about people with heil obidos and people who don't like their heil obidos he does and there's anything someone can do to lower their high libido all that coming up on today's show this episode of the savage love cast is brought to you by blue through april. Check out this week's menu and get sixty dollars off at blue apron dot com slash savage. 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When you go to thread up dot com slash savage judge <hes> then <hes> i'm a bisexual you well my thirties living in southern california and i don't know if i need to see a certain person i met again so it was probably weekend <hes> down here and i met a guy with and <hes> <hes> who really cool we're at the bottom i went to the bar <hes> late night work nights so you know by the time i get off everybody who has set up a bar anyway and he's guy looking and having them borrow benjamin talking. 'cause i'm warming. Being the kind of withdrew wouldn't bleeding in really hard. It's really hard like so hard that the person the next me feel me leaning on them. I kind of write it off to me. Drunk land up making out sorta hooking up but well. He doesn't work very well. Oh with alcohol. We'll just put it that way so we didn't really like hook up hook up. There's no no p._h._p. Anyway. He says he wants to take me on a date. So we go on this date. We had dinner and the whole time touching me scrappy leaning it again and again. I end up like overwhelming the person next to us at the bar repeatedly because i'm meaning away every time i need a way just moves in deeper and i i tell him like three or four times on my he's like i'm just really affectionate and i was like affection. Sex are two different things and i that got really awkward and and it just becomes kind of drop them in the kind of over you know doing research and like people i have this hard time drawing the line between gene affection and check and like men and women look at it differently and there's always psychological article about women want affection that they feel like they they wanna have sex and men give affection hoping to get sex. It'd be some heterosexual coupling. I dunno. I mean what are your thoughts well. Well my thought what i'm sitting here thinking. When i'm wondering about is why you left this shitty second date with this shitty person thinking you had any research research you needed to do researching the different ways men and women approach sex now when you make those kinds of generalizations about three point five billion people on the one hand entry point five billion people on the other hand there will be hundreds of millions of exceptions. A lot of those exceptions are going to be clear. People like you our listeners to this program who are not all queer we're but yeah there's research out there and they're researchers who argue that men get horny and wanna have saxon a lot of women particularly in long term relationships start having saxon than get horny cornea and these are different modes but there are men who operate in that sort of quote unquote female way and women who operate in the quote unquote male way again tens of millions of exceptions exceptions but these things may be broadly particularly in the context of a longterm relationship none of that excuses what this guy was doing what would you chalked up to him being drunk on pride weekend and being a little touchy and you're willing to tolerate on pride weekend. He demonstrated to on a follow up day when he was sober. It is just the way he rolls not only is he grabbing only as he touching in such a way that it makes the woman he's on a date with uncomfortable and the people around her that she leaning into get the fuck away from him uncomfortable when the woman he's on a date with tells him to back off and knock it off. He refuses that doesn't obligate get that woman to go home and do some research into the different ways men and women approach hooking up or dating or sex in the context of a second date or a long term relationship. You don't have to make excuses for him. Which which kind sounds like what you're doing in a long roundabout way that took you to google an encyclopedia britannica wherever else your research led you all you need to do is blocked this guy's number on your phone. All you need to do after a shitty second date. Really i think you can go stomach guy after a shitty second atypically the guy who behaved the way this guy did and forget the fuck about him and then ask yourself why after a shitty date with shitty guy who revealed himself through his actions and his statements offense to be disrespectful of your personal space and your stated boundaries why you would go home and start googling excuses for him. You didn't need to do that and you don't need to do that in the future and i would encourage you not to do that in the future and p._s. Fuck that guy hi dan thirty year old female here <hes> my boyfriend and i have been together for years. Just had this ridiculous fight the other night he just exploded irrationally with anger her he's doing some home repair stuff and it went really badly <hes> and he just completely meltdown <hes> i was on a skype call for my business at the time and he was storming coming through the house doors yelled a few things that many logs on the call to the point that the woman i was talking with noticed and acknowledged that that was happening just full. We'll toddler level meltdown <hes> after he said he was pissed at me for not leaving enough time to help them with whatever home repair thing he was doing from start to finish and and he's pissed that i left him to do it alone. I went to do my call. We've been here for four years. He's never done this before. This is totally out of left field <hes> we haven't spoken in two today's now and i just don't know how to react or what to say <hes>. I don't know if it's a relationship extinction event. It definitely could be but i just need to figure out. How do they respond in a way. That's not enabling him to do it again. That's healthy. That's mature of naive to really lay that boundary. I think i'm just kind of close to it now to figure this out for myself. It's often the case when someone explodes irrationally with anger when they react with a degree of anger slamming doors stumping around freaking out like a toddler that seems out of all proportion to what's happening in the moment or what just happened or whatever wrong they feel they might have been dealt at your hands that they're usually usually angry about something else and they're having a hard time expressing it and they're bottling it up and then all the rage comes spilling out at what seems i think subconsciously like a decent opportunity to to express that rage to vent some of the anger but that's her confusing of course for the person on receiving end of that disproportionate seemingly irrational irrational anger because your partner is freaking out about acce when the real issue is why and so if you don't want this to be a relationship ship extinction level event if you are not ready after this one giant meltdown to pull the plug you go to him and you sit down with him and you say what what was that about what was that really about. Are there other issues and you can have a conversation where you draw them out where you are solicitous and you listen to them. Maybe we're having a hard time bringing something. Maybe they've tried to bring something up in the past and you've shutdown that conversation or you've reacted angrily. I'm not trying to justify your boyfriend's behavior in that moment but there's a lot of yin yang push pull in a relationship and sometimes people bottle up their anger not because they're particularly fond of bottling pulling up their anger but they feel they can't express it in the relationship and i don't know what the other dynamics in your relationship are like emotionally. Maybe he reacted with irrational national anger to that event but maybe his bottling up his anger which then burst out in this shitty way at that stupid moment. Maybe he how to reason for bottling it up and maybe you contributed in some way like i said dry them out have this conversation. You should make it clear in this conversation that you are not going to put up with or live with this. The fact that you're four years into this relationship and this has never happened before encourages me to think this may be you a novelist behavior on his part that it may not be a pattern typically when someone is emotionally abusive the warning signs come early and the explosions the seemingly irrational anger that that person sort of blowing up at you about unpredictable shit so you're always on eggshells around them. That happens a a lot sooner than four years in so i'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt right now. I'm giving you a relationship the benefit of the doubt so go to him. Put it all on the table. Tell them that was unacceptable. You're not going to live with that with the fear that that could happen at any time for seemingly trivial reasons so you want to know what was going on for him and you want an assurance from him that that won't happen again and that you will find in the moment more constructive ways ways to process and handle your anger and if there's some reason he's been bottling it up you want to address that to this season experience the joy of cooking cooking something new and making dinner fund with blue apron check out their summer menu and try customer favorite burger recipes with the beyond burger. You've heard about the plant based burger phenomenon. 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That is working good for me. <hes> i've done talk therapy and the person so i definitely feel like i would just benefit effect from having a third party <hes> nonbiased person to walk me through again the anxieties that are coming up because of this opener relationship <hes> not really we about the open relationship but more about anxieties about myself <hes> so what would be your best suggestion for finding a sex positive talk therapist truly the best place to start if you want to find a sex positive or king positive or poly or open relationship. Positive therapist is a sect dot org. That's a. s. t. t. dot org. That's the american association of sexuality educators counselors and therapists and they have state by state region by region listings and it's a pretty sex positive king positive pauline open relationship positive organization so there's some self sorting that goes on before people even list themselves with that said your first interaction with a therapist or counselor is usually these days the other website via email and your engaging them your hiring them and you are allowed to ask them a few questions via email before your first session so go to a._c._c. dot org find a few therapists or counselors in your area and send them a few emails saying you're looking for sex positive open relationship positive counselor or therapist that you can speak with and you wanted to know what their take on on open relationships prior to your first appointment and i promise you if it's a therapist you'd wanna make i appointment with our forty fourth appointment with you'll get a thoughtful email unpacking hacking their position their take on open relationships and if you don't there's your answer but that's where to start asec. Dot org is where to start also. Also you have friends who are an open letter. Poly relationships a lot of people in open poly relationships have seen counselors and therapists. There's a lot of processing you have to do an open and polly land and you may have friends and opening that you're not aware of who've already sat down with counselors and therapists and just a little honesty. There's no shame in seeking out counseling or therapy. It's to your credit that you're seeking out counseling and therapy to help you guys address issues in your open relationship just asking other people that you know in the opener poly community if they've ever taught counseling and if so could they refer you to someone if they had a good interaction with a person that's another great way to find that opener positive counselor therapist this episode sodas brought to you by squarespace they make it simple and intuitive to create your website blog or online store. 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I've been in a relationship with a guy for two years. We've gone through quite a bit in the short time one major event being that i found out that he was full dating another girl behind my back throughout the first year i was going through some personal issues at the time and suffered a low self esteem hence my giving him several more chances to be the partner desired and he kept promising to be refused so let me go and i wasn't over him so i blindly gave him. I trust again. I moved in with him late last year. I didn't seem to witness any questionable behavior. I also chose not not to obsess over it as i began working on self love and making strides in my self-improvement dismay everything i'm not the type to snoop so i let the toss go to the best kabila but upon living together and getting to know him better i discovered that i just bought out don't feel like he's a good man and i don't really like his character very much. At the end of the day i've been actually very troubled by this and haven't had the hartson how to leave again. Despite everything a couple of weeks ago he was console on the couch and i went to empty my pipe and australia's desk where his phone was plugged in face up with the screen on online. I know that sounds sounds strange but i promise that snooping have fun was the furthest thing from my mind at the moment look down and see messages from what appeared to be females so so i open one and another and another turns out it was the grinder up and he was on there exchanging dig pigs talking about hooking up with men of all ages and several transgender women <hes> during the afternoon while i work i was honestly honestly shocked as i had no idea that he's that way also i hadn't suspected anything this time infidelity wise. I finally got me out. I confronted <hes> and broke up with him. Once again. He's begging for more chances and claiming that he can change but i'm just fresh chances for the guy i guess my question and for you boils down to this <hes> is a smart common than i thought seemingly street almost homophobic male secretly pursuing dick my the best friend is married to a man who is similar in that macho way and she has also painfully discovered his closeted love and desire for cock. I'm no no issue at all with people's sexual romantic preferences in any way but this is just not something. I'm interested in countering in my own romantic relationships. Is this just how men are now based on what you witness and sexuality aside to have any tips for finding a good honest man that's capable of true monogamy these a lot of gay men wished they lived in a world where it was common for straight guys to love deck or want dick dick secretly wanting that every hot straight guy on the planet including the homophobic ones are secretly on the down low over grinder now. If you get on grindr or back in the day you got on craigslist. It wasn't that hard to find straight identified guys guys with girlfriends and wives who were looking to get blown and in some cases looking to do the blowing themselves. There are a lot of closeted by guys out there. Most guys who are by who are in committed opposite sex long-term relationships arnout to their partners and along comes the internet twenty years ago and it made it really easy for these guys easier for these guys to to live <hes> less less risky double life that didn't have to be seen going in and out of a gay bar or gay bath house were a notorious downtown dirty bookstore or risk getting busted in a park under bush with a dude to get their same sex rock soft. They can arrange to get their same sex off on their phones. Discreetly the problem boom of course as you leave a digital trail and sometimes you pass out on the couch with your phone sitting open charging and messages coming in and your girlfriend or wife sees that and with cheating in the past you know snooping always wrong. People shouldn't snoop. You're a bad girl first snooping or about adult woman i knew ping but sometimes when you snoop you find out things you kind of had a right to know or pressing need to know this. Nipping is always wrong except when it's retroactively justified by whatever it is someone one pound. Your husband has a secret second family in another city. Kinda had a right to know that and if you found out by snooping i think the snooping is the smaller or or negligible or non existent in that context offense anyway yeah. This is the thing this is a thing that happens. It doesn't mean all straight identified. Guys are secretly louis sucking her hungering for cock. There is however a lot of research out there growing body of research that shows that guys who are kind of homophobic big guys who perform homophobia are likely to have same sex attractions and desires then chill weren't homophobic sometimes when someone one is homophobic. They're throwing up flack. It's camouflaged. They're trying to distract you from the fact that they may have downloaded the grinder out onto their phone. You're absolutely justified in leaving this guy. He is who he is. I think he needs to embrace who he is. He's a bisexual guy who is an interested in or capable of being monogamous. He needs to seek out a partner who wants what he is so that he doesn't have to lie. He doesn't have to hide any doesn't face decades as of the stress of worrying about getting caught now for many homophobic straight identified guys who want to have dick or cheat. They don't want to have an honest ethical ethical non monogamous relationship because they don't want their partner to sleep with anybody else. They just want to be able to do this themselves. They want monogamy from a person but they don't want to to be monogamous to that person and those guys grow up to become terrible shitty serial cheaters and fuck those guys. Don't fuck those guys us and if you find out your fucking that guy dating that guy or living with that guy leave that guy i think he did the right thing as finding someone who is good at and wants monogamy me. They're out there. Monogamy is not natural monogamous struggle. If you can accept that someone making monogamous commitment to you doesn't mean that guy it wasn't attracted to anybody else ever. I think that makes having a monogamous relationship easier. You know when people are doing the monogamous thing it's basically to people who've agreed to stand on one foot together for the rest of their lives you can do that. It's a bit of a struggle if somebody touches the ground with their other foot once or twice over the fifty two years you were standing on one foot. They were pretty good at standing on one foot said this before with somebody for fifty years they only on once or twice. They were good at monogamy. Not bad added monogamy. Monogamy is the only thing we tell people they have to execute perfectly throughout their entire lives to be any good ad and that's it's crazy so you may find a guy who's good at monogamy who wants monogamy who wants to make an honor and keep him monogamous commitment and that guy may still at at some point over the fifty years that you'll be together cheat on you once i think once can be forgiven which your boyfriend. Your ex boyfriend was doing a bitterly routinely behind your back. I don't think that's forgivable and i think you were right to break up with him but going forward into your next monogamous commitment and you aren't gonna find perfection and you aren't going to be perfection i either that doesn't mean he's definitely going to cheat on you. That doesn't mean you're definitely going to cheat on them but there we'll be desire and there will be complications and in all long term relationships there are betrayals of all sorts not just sexual betrayals and it's forgiveness forgiveness. It makes it possible for a relation to become a long term relationship but truly long-term relationship so. I don't think that you were wrong to forgive this guy. Give him a chance to do better after you found him cheating on you the first time after you've found him cheating on you in this way the second time you're absolutely right to leave him. 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I forget that there's really anything different about me now. I can definitely see a lot of implications that could happen with that especially like if you don't disclose someone they play in a scene and then later they have. I don't know maybe some sort of drop and basically change their mind and get you know trans panic. I don't know what's really call it so my question is do i have to disclose. Am i a bad person for for getting to disclose that. I'm trying. I'm gonna make a pretty foul comparison here. Forgive me. I hope it's not offensive to you or other members of the trans community but when i'm out in public my husband and i want to take his hand or i want to give him a kiss goodbye at the airport or wherever i shouldn't have to look around but i do i should live in a world where i can take his his hand without worrying about violence about the reactions of others around me but i do worry and so aw for my own safety when i'm gonna kiss him goodbye my eyes dart left and right now sometimes they don't. I think at seatac airport in seattle where i say goodbye to my husband recently it's pretty safe for me to kiss him goodbye but sometimes we're walking down the street in iowa. When we're visiting relatives or there maybe maybe someone walking down the street in seattle where we live who just washed in from montana or wyoming not that are positive people in those places and queer people in those places. You know what i mean we may be walking on the street in seattle and it could be at that moment unsafe for me to take his hand and i shouldn't have to think about these things. I shouldn't have to look around round for my own safety but i do because i want to be safe. Trans people are subjected to as i don't need to tell oh you so much violence in this society and our culture and trans people for their own safety when they're with someone sexually really i think in their own self interest should disclose their trans identity not as a courtesy not so that that other person doesn't taught a trans person and get trans cooties but for your own safety i shouldn't have to look around and then think twice about taking my husband's hand to protect the delicate sensibilities of some homophobic bigot from why fucking homing. I look around to protect myself. I think the same kind of applies here you might want to disclose that you're trans to someone you're gonna hook up with an engineer anywhere else not for them but for you now the person you hooked up within that dungeon clock transit didn't have a problem with it. You guys had a great sexual encounter and then they let you know that maybe you would want to disclose close. Maybe they're aware of the violence. Trans people are subjected to in our society. Maybe they've seen other trans people in detroit in that dungeon subjected to violence when the person they were with or even just flirting with realized they were trans or was told they were trying. It's not like disclosure. Immunizes is is a trans person from violence sometimes transpeople disclosed before intimacy and are still subjected to violence because people are attracted to transpeople and no it subconsciously or consciously but don't want admit it or confront it and some people are shocked to discover that they are attracted to a trans person so yeah. I'm on the side of disclosure again not to protect them. I'm on the side of disclosure to protect you. Hello dan in a thirty eight year old straight male from the midwest. I'm in an open relationship and <hes> my girlfriend turned is married or we're going through <hes> some difficulties now because she a few months ago had sex yes with her good friend when i was at her place and then that continued to happen twice and represented at the time that it's kinda cool with it <hes> and then it seemed to have like by there'd be more overtime tried to put for like certain like rules at least is that you can only spend like sort of a certain amount of time with them but then other things sort of unexpected the came up and stuff and she's married in the understanding was that we were in an open in relationships but she actually doesn't have any physical relationship husband so <hes>. It just seemed like i think maybe i'd the expectation <hes> of an item so i don't know i know you're gonna mitch and new york experience advise people in politics situations. Just wondering if there's you you know what would you suggest sort of deal but with jealousy has an issue because i really loved this woman. I'm calling minded myself but i always i think i'm more from <hes>. Doing you know from from be seeing other people out so i'm just trying to trying to work that out that that kinda hypocritical stance paulie minded in the sense that it's okay for you to sleep with other women but not so polly minded as to believe. It's okay for your girlfriend friend who is married to sleep with other men. That's not really polly minded. That's texas double standard minded minded. That's misogynistic patriarchal minded it was common throughout most of human history for men to sleep with multiple partners and for men to not allow wow their female partners the same freedom or license and for men to be extremely threatened when their female partners luck with other people at the same clip or at all or even expressed just a desire or an attraction to another man and and would typically flip out and there you are sort of low key flipping out knowing that that you're being hypocritical to what do you do when it comes to polydor open relationships there tends to be a lot more talking than fucking and it's the extra talking that makes the extra fucking or the extra partners possible. You need to talk with your girlfriend about your assumptions and your expectations and you need to own that your assumptions and expectations were self serving and sexist and you need to do the work of reprogramming yourself. If you are are going to be poly and not a polygamist it has to be okay for her to sleep with other guys to if you are sleeping with other women and again you went into this relationship knowing she was married to another man. You say you assumed or perhaps she put it out there that she wasn't having a sexual relationship with her husband but then this guy came along this friend came along and she wanted to sleep with him sounds like she checked with you because you say you let her know what was okay for her to sleep with this other other guy but then she actually did it and you got angry so when you talk to her about your jealousy like own up to your feelings but you can have to own what's shitty about them and double standard about them and you're gonna have to ask her to give you a little time and little space and perhaps hold your hand bit help you work through this and get get past it because you can't work through it and you can't get past it then. You're not polly minded then. You shouldn't be entering into ethical non monogamous relationships. Perhaps you should seek out out the kinds of relationships that many men many straight men throughout history have sought an had where their wives or girlfriends were monogamous and they cheated but you don't wanna be a cheater. You ought to be poly. You wanna be a good and decent dude which means you're gonna have to do. Some work on on yourself again to get yourself. There and you can ask your girlfriend your married girlfriend for her help. What i don't think you can reasonably insist insist on. Is that your girlfriend refrain from sleeping with other guys while you sleep with other women and i don't think it's fair for you to impose rules as has some people who believe themselves to be polly minded. They want an open relationship or an open relationship for themselves but not for their partners. I don't think it'd be fair for you to impose somebody rules rules and restrictions on your girlfriend that it becomes practically impossible functionally impossible for her to actually sleep with anybody else but circling back the question. How do you deal with jealousy a poisonous kind of sexist misogynistic jealousy in this instance that could destroy your relationship well. You've recognized it. You'd never really said that. This was your problem start there. This is my problem at. I need to work on this. I would like your help. Maybe your girlfriend can give you a few months where she's not gonna sleep with anybody else. Sometimes in open relationships wander more of the people involved will close down sexual. We'll contact with others out of consideration for their partner's feelings or insecurities on the condition on the understanding that their partner is actively working through those insecurities. You just need a little breather. They just need a little space. They come out the other side and be comfortable with it but if you don't move in that direction if you don't get comfortable with it if you don't get comfortable with the idea that there's one set of rules for both of you or for all of you since is polly relationship involving more than two people yeah then you're not cut out for polly at least not at the moment not even cut out it would seem for an open relationship not at the moment not until you fix this until you get passed it down <unk> out until you reach into your motherboard and tear out is sexist paternalistic misogynistic double standard that you're laboring under laboring under right now in an open relationship yeah no. That's a sign that you aren't ready to be in an open relationship. The problem is you are already in an open relationship. So what what do you do well. You could end this relationship or you can ask your girlfriend to put up with your jealousy while you work through it dismantled diffuse news and disarmament but if in the end you can't and you need exit this relationship all right we're going to read your tweets and unsurprisingly there are a lot of tweets tweets about my advice to the woman whose husband after seven years keeps pissing on the floor despite her protests in the middle of the night when he goes to the bathroom and she trod through ruined when she goes to the bathroom and she is pissed jennifer laurie tweets dan. How could you not told the inconsiderate and lazy man who on the floor to just wipe the floor after he pees. He's come on us. Love you louis tweets. I'm surprised dan that you failed to suggest that this capable adult peer clean up after himself. Grab a mop. Some baby wipes whatever my dude you'd your family deserves better than a public urinal and vima manfred. Oh tweets episode six six of the savage love casts at the pierre. The simplest solution is clear clear clean up after yourself pee on the seat clean it beyond the floor clean it really that simple we hear you. Nancy has heard you. Nancy actually begs that no one else call in with any more feedback about that particular question. She is sick of listening to everyone. Make the same point which is that. This asshole should clean up after himself. You know what i agree. Agree with all of you and the caller has been saying that to this asshole for seven years to no effect my advice to get a urinal to get a plastic last year. Nobody can stand and stick his dick in and pee and get it. All in the bottle is a hallelujah pass a desperate measure for desperate times not the first thing that i would advise as someone who's partners peeing on the floor but literally the last thing i would advise. It's the last thing that she can do. She's tried screaming. She's tried yelling. Nothing has worked. Maybe maybe this will work and if it doesn't work well then there's divorce moving on dance. Remember tweets the weight at fake. Dan savage pronounces the word vulnerable is my kink hashtag savage love cast. There's something odd about the way i pronounce it vulnerable. I hadn't heard and finally aurora erratic tweets. I miss the old days of the savage. Love cast when dan talk slow enough that i could understand him. Even the theme song was slower them hashtag savage love casts you know the theme song is speeding up. I don't think it's us. I think maybe you accidentally press that one and a half time or two time speed button on your podcast app. You might want to check that out all right. Your response calls none of which are about that asshole peeing on the floor hayden. This is a response to the lady whose boyfriend and went psycho and sent photos of her house sitting to her bosses to get her in trouble. The reason he freaked out is because he got humiliated and humiliated. Men are fucking dangerous. I don't necessarily think it was the right thing to tell her to basically caudal his emotions to keep him from blowing up but humiliated million men are the men who beat their partners and go on mass shooting rampages and frankly i'm really fucking sick and tired of dealing with humiliated men not being able to handle their shit and punishing everybody else for it so guys learn to deal with humiliation and insecurity and stopped taking it out all the people around you. This is for episode six six six. The woman who has the higher libido than her husband is two years and now she wondering if there's something abnormal normal about her and he's not a very giving partner and he doesn't seem to enjoy giving pleasure for its own sake and said he was here from the future. Oh honey. I'm here from your future. It's not going to get better. It's not even gonna stay this that it's going to get worse and worse and this is not an issue of you. Having your snack is the beato although you might this is a man who is rejecting you non verbally over and over again and that rejection will chip away and chip away at your self esteem it will destroy your confidence. It will seep into resentment. If there's nothing good that's doing. He's telling you in a ton of different little ways that he is not interested in having sex with you. He is not interested in making sure that it feels good for you. Even if he doesn't get anything out of it he is not interested in learning how to be a better sexual partner and on top of it all. He seems to be gas lighting you or attempting really hard to pathology. Is your normal healthy sex drive. This is really really bad. Please consider if not a lot of marriage counseling leaving this marriage. I dan i called a few weeks ago. In a burning man marriage with not enough set and after talking to you you gave me the bravery and the courage to actually listened to myself and stop lying like myself and leave. My marriage and i just want to thank you for that. Since we spoke i've filed for divorce as moved on and now i can have the best of my life uh-huh forever. Thank you so much for changing my life. I so appreciate it -gratulations and this new chapter in your life. We're gonna i believe it. They're two oh six three two two six. Four is the number here at savvas lead cast you wanna record question or a comment for a future show and give us a buzz two. Oh six three zero two two two six four the deadline precipitating your film to hunt my dirty. Little film festival approaches go to film fest dot com slash admits for information mission by making the dirty little porno for follow me on twitter at fake. Dan savage followed doctor w <unk> twitter at debbie her subs low caste. 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