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Target USA -- Episode 151: David Whelan speaks out about his brother's arrest on espionage charges in Russia
"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA. On our previous episode. We promised the second half of our interview with F B I Washington field office assistant director in charge. Nancy McNamara, but due to a quickly developing story, we need to change topics. The second half of the MacNamara interview will be presented in the next few weeks. In the meantime, on December twenty eighth 2018, Paul Whalen, or former US marine and citizen of the US disappeared in Russia. Three days later, he turned up in a Russian prison arrested for allegedly committing espionage. What was he doing there? What was the basis for the charges is he a pawn in a political tug of war between the US and Russia? Nobody wants to see a citizen locked up in this way. You know, we're we're ten days past defect that he was allegedly spy. We have no charges officially from the Russian government that detail. Exactly what that means we in which elements of the actor they talking about. And so that it's all very concerning. The the lack of information. In an extensive interview target USA spoke with Huilan's twin brother, David and got answers to all these questions. Some of them may surprise you. But after you, listen, there will be no doubt. Just how serious this situation is coming on. This addition of target USA. National security podcast. From WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorists DC is repeatedly mentioned some place. They would like to see an attack cyber criminal successful America as a target on its back and on this program. We investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA be national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green this program, as you know, is called target USA. And as we always say whether its terrorists anarchist, cybercriminals or nation states America has a target on its back, and we investigate the threats facing the US the people behind them the agencies fighting them and their impact on Americans. Unfortunately, US citizens are often targeted by foreign actress just because they are American that appears to be what happened in the case of Paul Whalen. He went to Moscow from his home in Michigan in late December and hasn't returned yet. Because he's in one of the nastiest prisons on the planet known for cold showers, intense, interogations and extreme isolation. A staple of the Cold War and the KGB he's charged with espionage. Something is family, and the US government says is ridiculous. The way it all happened could easily be and I'm willing to bet eventually will become the storyline for a blockbuster spy movie. So in order to get the answers about what happened. We went to the best source. We could find his twin brother, David. Thank you again. David for joining us and for the benefit of our listeners who may not be familiar with all of the details of the story. Your brother Paul is involved in now he was traveling in Russia in December. And on the twenty eighth of December understand something odd happen catches up on what he was doing there. And what took place on the twenty eighth which you're still dealing with. Now. January ninth twenty nineteen what took place at that time on December twenty second Paul flew into Moscow. He was visiting to participate in a wedding an American friend of his former marine. Like Paul was having a wedding ceremony there and had brought over his American family and has Paul to attend the wedding as well since Paul had been to Russia a few times in the past and to help guide the Americans around the sites to sort of help them to navigate Moscow. So he was in the city. He was doing some sightseeing. He was visiting some friends and participating in this wedding party. And then on the twenty eighth after having participated that morning in it tour of the Kremlin armory with the people who are attending the wedding. He he just disappeared. He didn't attend the wedding which occurred that night and the groom attempted to contact him after the wedding was over. And there was no response from which is extremely uncharacteristic. So the groom reach out to us over the weekend. Let us know that he noted seen him or heard from him since Friday. And so we started looking to find out. What information we could on Monday morning on the twenty eighth? We found. On the thirty first I found that he had been detained. I found a Russian ministry statements aimed at Paul Whalen had been detained for espionage. And it's now been I guess almost ten days since he was detained and about a week since we were able to make contact with him at Lefortovo prison. So now, you learned about the fact that he was missing from his friend and you learn about the Russian arrest of from the Russian statement. How again did you come into that statement? How did you find that statement? I'm a librarian. So I got up first thing in the morning, and I got on the internet and started searching for things like American killed in Moscow American car-crash, Moscow that sort of thing and. Eventually came across. The news wires that were reporting that he had been detained. Would you feel when you saw that? A mixed emotions. Frankly, we were glad I was glad and Italy contacted the rest of my family that he was alive as far as we could tell so that was a positive thing. But then immediately your with the I guess horror is the best word that some member of your family's been detained in Russia on charges that are obviously very serious. And you know, the story about his arrest legendary being in a hotel room with somebody. He was charged with espionage and supposedly was in that hotel room with somebody and came into possession to the possession of a USB stick with classified information regarding people who are or were part of the Russian intelligence or military services. Do believe that story. Do I believe that he was in the possession of it? I could see how that might happen. Do I believe he was probably in trapped into having that in his possession. I think that's much more likely. I don't think Paul would have been the sort of person who would have risked. Espionage or spying in Russia. Even the experts are very careful about that sort of thing in Paul Paul listen to spy he's a tourist. And so even though he's risk-aware from his background in law enforcement and the military. I don't think that he would have willing or knowingly accepted any sort of information that would have caused him to break a law like the espionage act. What do you think he he was essentially railroad at this way? What I've been scratching my head. And we've been surprised by some of the information that's come out about Paul's background. We didn't know about his bad conduct discharge from the marines, for example. And yet each time at a rock is turned over. And we learned something new I saw that the the Russian media peers to be looking at his interest in tea glass holders on the trains, and apparently had a collection of those. You just find something that sounds more and more incredible. That, you know, whoever this person is, and I know him as my brother brother, but obviously there's a lot. I don't know about him. He's he's not a spy it terms of his travel to Russia. There seems to be some concern on your part in terms of what's being reported about it. You know, they're they're been reports that he traveled extensively in Russia. But if I remember correctly, I think you said in a correspondence a couple of days ago today being the ninth of January twenty nineteen that to your knowledge is only been there two or three times. Yes. In fact, we've been able to find a couple more times. But I think it's only still five or six that we've been able to confirm, and we're still looking to see in case he had been there more often. But for me, that's not many or significant when you consider that over the last thirty years, he's traveled extensively to many many different countries to within Europe to our relatives. In the UK. He's been to India. He's been to. I believe he's been to Japan. I know he's been to Korea. So he's he's really traveled very extensively. And so the the focus on his Russian trips and portraying him as some sort of Russophile just scenes very different from the the person I knew or even based on the the activities that he was doing that. I would have considered labeling him. Yeah. There's a lot that confirms in corroborates. What you're saying about your brother, including this development the other day where we learned that he had several different passports, a US passport, a British passport, a Canadian passport Irish. And you know, some have tried to. Some people not very well educated about spying have tried to weave that into this idea that he might have had those passports for those reasons, but the story is very different, isn't it? It is I think he had four passports under four different names and head sort of secreted them in some sort of case, I guess maybe that would be so Jason Bourne spying, but Paul and I were born in Canada to British parents. And so we were born with two passports in two citizenships. My parents had emigrated from Britain and my dad's dad had emigrated from Ireland to Britain. So when Paul emigrated to America, he was able to naturalize he wanted to do that in order to be to work in law enforcement, he naturalized, and he so he got his third citizenship that way, and then when the Irish changed a law that allowed grandchildren to get an Irish passport he thought it would be I think a way to honor his heritage. But there's it's all in his own name. He hasn't done anything peculiar excel. But perhaps to people who only have maybe one pass border or maybe only to to have four maybe seem strange, and it's interesting, David, you mention this because I think it's all somewhere that he and your sister have sort of a friendly competition regarding passports is that true. No. I don't think that's accurate. I've seen the same thing. I think the the word game was used. And I think that that's not the that's not what we meant by it or not what my siblings by it. I think when the law was changed. It was much more of which one of us could get one I between the two of them. But it wasn't that they were trying to get additional passports beyond the four that they were legally allowed to attain and I never looked to to get one myself. And I'm not sure that my brother my other brother did. So I think it's one of the things that it's just a word out of context, we didn't mean to have Paul's interest, or frankly, my sister's interest in citizenship to sound flippant or that it was not a value valuable thing. Do you know, I can imagine your parents. Are probably going through it right now. If if you don't mind me asking just for a little bit of context on how they're doing. I think they're doing amazingly. Well, we seem to for whatever reason be resilient family. I mean, unfortunately this morning, I had a contact from a reporter who said we've heard that police are executing search warrants, and and normally you would just say that's completely ludicrous. But now, I've got a call my parents and ask them, you know, is this happening, and it isn't. But you just so you're in that sort of thing where you're trying to protect them as much as you can from the the stories and the rumors and speculation and also the Frank uncovering of information about their son's life that they didn't know either. While at the same time doing your best to to help Paul into get him back back to the USA now back to Paul. What's your sense of how he's doing? The embassy has had one visit with him. That's all they've been allowed. So far the American embassy, and he sounds like he's as well as he could be considering that he's in detention. I think they've had a medical check of on him just to confirm what his medical condition is. And we were able to receive information and instructions from him from that first meeting, and that was when he requested consular access from these other three countries interestingly spoke yesterday today with Canadians and the British and they say that they have expressed interest in in the process of trying to schedule constant visits with with him. But, you know, interestingly David the word they both used or the words they both used were very concerned, quote, very concerned about your brother. What to your knowledge would be the reason to be very concerned is it because of this, obviously, you know, there's a reason to be concerned because he's he was arrested for something that you believe he didn't do. But is there any reason to believe that his life or his health might be in jeopardy? I don't think there's a concrete reason for it. I'm not saying that I want to suggest that we aren't concerned we are concerned. I think really the reason is not that we think that there's a particular reason that it could happen. But it that we have no details about why he's in there. And so the arbitrariness I think is is why we're all very very concerned about Paul's condition. It's not it's not that we know that he has under particular risk that. But that he's just under a completely arbitrary is. We don't know where whatever. Threat is not quite the word. I mean, but whatever issue he's under whatever cloud. He's underwear. That's where that's coming from. And I think that's the problem is that, you know, expand this past Paul who is obviously some rather odd. Duck assays what I've seen him described as to any American who's traveling to Russia are any British person or Canadian or Irish citizen. Nobody wants to see a citizen locked up in this way. You know, we're we're ten days past the fact that he was alleged allegedly spy, we have no charges officially from the Russian government that detail exactly what that means we in which elements of the espionage act or they talking about. And so that it's all very concerning. The the lack of information. Bencze David Whelan, his brother Paul as in Russian custody. No formal charges have been filed but rushing with authorities claim he's a US spy David says, he thinks it's likely brother was trapped and that he scratching his head about much of what he's heard about the case when we come back. We'll discuss the place his brother is being held which is one of the toughest prisons on the planet and some of the bizarre things taking place behind the scene including him ending up with the Russian speaking lawyer. I think what strange about it is that Paul is in porta and didn't have his glasses. When the American embassy staff met with him. And so they were able to translate a request that Paul could have his glasses and yet Mr. issuer Bianca doesn't speak English. And so it would just seemed to be very strange choice for someone to hire lawyer who doesn't speak his own language. That's coming up when we return. The national security podcast. Imagine the home you've always known sinking into oblivion community away of Virginia island population. Four hundred sixty is being swallowed by the Chesapeake Bay the first full fledged town that's probably going to get lost horizon. America can disaster be stopped. Should it? Be shell the Lord destroy Tien Gier going under the story of Tange ear island available on podcast one. I tunes and at going under podcast dot com. This is a target USA moment episode one the show that started it all. Almost every morning. You're in Washington directorate, national intelligence goes to the White House to brief the president about the threats and the challenges the US face it. 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We've been talking with David Whelan, his twin brother poll, a former US marine disappeared in Russia on December twenty eighth and he's been telling us how this simply doesn't add up. That is brother is not a spy and their efforts to get him back home. Now, we continue our story with him telling us about where his brother is being held and the possibilities for him being released. One of the things that we've we've heard as well is is that he is in the four Tova prison. What do you know about that prison? I just know what everybody else knows by reputation. It's it appears to be a very nasty place to be. I don't know that I would wish it on my enemy, let alone on my brother right early. So you mentioned some time ago that there might be a chance for your brother to get out of prison on bail of you heard anything about that. No. I've just seen the accounts that were in the press that his lawyer has filed motions on his behalf and that apparently avail motions part of that. But I'm not sure how that would work and considering that we have no information that the deputy foreign minister appears said that there are no charges being laid yet. I guess I don't have high hopes that even if bail is considered that they would grant it because they don't seem to be interested in having any communication about his case. And speaking of communication, I with your lawyer understanding. Based on some communications from you. You had a bit of difficulty communicating with his lawyer. Well, it was a strange situation. And and I think that some of the things I said about Mr Sharon being have been misinterpreted. I don't I'm not I don't know anything about his competence or his ability as a lawyer. So I'm leaving that aside we had understood when we we were in a seventy two hour window between when we learned that he'd been detained on that Monday and Wednesday when the American embassy was able to go and see him. And so during that time, we did what we could understand what the process would be in the process. We understood was that the embassy would proffer a list of recommended not recommended. I'm sorry proffer list of English-speaking lawyers to Paul and that he could then select from that list or make a request to us to help him to to find council. And so we were surprised when the American staff got there and Paul essentially already selected somebody it just seemed very it was unusual. It was not how expected the process to to work. What do you think he did that? Well, I'm still not one hundred percent sure that Paul did Seles. Him. At least, you know, in the way that we expect a again, I don't have any details about that. I think what's strange about it is that Paul was in LaPorta and didn't have his eyeglasses when the American embassy staff met with him. And so they were able to translate a request that Paul could have his glasses and yet Mr. Bianca doesn't speak English. And so it would just seem to be very strange choice for someone to hire lawyer who doesn't speak his own language. You get the sense that that lawyer was appointed. I don't really have any details. Either way. It's it's just it's just one of the many many odd things that have come up in this case what else is in that case that you have come across. Well, I think just the idea of someone like Paul who lives, I think so openly on social media and travel so extensively that he would be selected as someone who could potentially be a spy. The other part of the communications piece there there's been some discussion about the fact or the possibility that he might actually be upon. Do you agree with that idea? You know, it's hard to know. I saw the Kremlin spokesman. I think his name was Mr. peskov speak today or yesterday about how the Russians don't use ponds. And I've seen the the discussion in the press about how he is upon and, you know, I it's really hard to know with Maria Bhuttan is case happening. So recently with the arrest of Mr. Makarenko in north Marietta's. You know, there are a lot of pieces at appear to be in play that could be related, but from our perspective, it's mostly a distraction from trying to focus on Paul and Paul's needs and and getting Paul home. All right. So we've talked quite a bit about the situation and how this all happened. And you know, what what what's what's going on to some degree? So I'd like to hear from you for a little bit about what you would like the public and everyone to know one about your brother about the situation and about what you want done. Well, I think what I want people to know is that Paul obviously has things in his pass it he. Isn't or shouldn't be proud of. But that also he has worked very very hard to reinvent himself multiple times he had reached a point in his life. We're both middle aged for twins in our late forties where he'd he got the kind of lifestyle in the jobs that he wanted. He was doing the sort of work you liked and doing the traveling enjoyed and I think that the the whole spy cast of of Paul Whalen, is is overshadowing the fact that he was just really someone who did work. You liked and traveled a lot. And I think that that that Paul is the Paul that we wish people could see from an from a next steps perspective. I think one of the concerns we have ongoing is there seems to be a lack of information flow from the Russian government. So we I've been asked a number of times about things that I just can't speak to because we don't have any idea secretary Pompeo into last week that once new more about the charges if they weren't appropriate than policy brought home, but I think that even at those levels. There doesn't seem to be this sort of information flow that you would expect. And there have been comments in the press that the Russians would normally have shown their evidence or discuss the case more there's been radio silence on their part too. So I think we would hope that whatever levers of government can be used would start that information flow. So that we can all understand better. Why Paul's in the position he is. Speaking of information flow, have you heard much from the State Department? How often are they in touch with you all regularly? I I would guess even daily Paul has three siblings. And so we've we split the workload. I'm trying to raise his profile and keep his story covered. So that you all can talk about his detention. I've got a my sister is focused on working with contacting congress people in senators and my other brothers dealing with the embassy. And so we are getting regular updates perhaps almost daily updates from people at the embassy in Moscow on either Paul's condition last week or since then. On activity such as contracts with the the other embassies, which the Americans will coordinate and other things like trying to get a power of attorney signed get trying to get the Privacy Act waiver signed things like that. Conditions or medical concerns that you worry about at this point. Not really I think I mean, he's he's a late forties fellow. He's he's probably got ailments. None of which should really cause many medical concern. Yeah. We all do that. I understand if you were at this point to have an opportunity to speak with the Russian government. What would you say to them? Boy, that's a tough one. I mean. Wanna put you in a tough spot. But if you had a message he would like the Russian government to here, and they will I can guarantee you hear this. What would you like for them to hear what what would you like to say? I think I would say that if Paul isn't a pawn in a political game. Then there must be a much clearer reason for him to have been arrested, and I would hope for them to to look at that reason. Either to explain it to us or accept that a mistake was made and do the honorable thing. And let him go like they would let anybody who was charged mistakenly charged with a crime, let him go and allow them to come home, are you and your family considering going there? We are not no we aren't sure about the resources required to defend Paul in criminal court in in Moscow, the cost of lawyers and things like that. And so we're marshalling whatever resources we have right now to do the to the work from the the United States. The extent we can until there comes a point where visit might be might have some value to pulse case. You know, it's interesting you mentioned, you're you're you're in the law business in. I'm sure that is a very very beneficial thing to have right now. How's that help you? Well, I I run one of the biggest law libraries in in Ontario. So I've got access to stuff which has been good. So it's meant that I've been able to get quick access to things like the the appellate decision in his bad conduct discharge to research. The Russian criminal code and the procedural code for criminal courts in Russia to extent that has been translated. You know, it helps me to understand if if people are talking about the espionage act, then I can help to translate some of that for my family where they might otherwise be at sea for the rest of us, and we will just sort of conclude this in a couple of moments for the rest of us the. He was traveling there with some friends and supposed to be a part of of of a wedding party didn't make it to the wedding party. What happened with the rest of the folks that were there that he was there with? As far as I understand, they're fine. We've been in some limited contact with them. And and the groom has been in contact with US embassy in Moscow, and we've just been trying to be very careful with his information to try not identify for his privacy really end as soon I think at one once he's back in the states. We're hoping that he will speak up an either through private channels or publicly validate that Paul was at this wedding merely as a friend merely as tourist and the entire weaving of the the spy persona is is a is a red herring. Anything you want to add that I haven't asked you about that. You think is important. No, I think you've really covered covered where we are. I think until the information released to flow about what Paul's against we're we're hoping that the for governments will keep an eye on Paul and that hopefully behind the scenes things are happening that will help them to come home quickly. Do you believe you're getting enough help from the government here? So far. Yes. I'm I try and focus on a my professional expertise and ice in that other people are using their professional expertise. And that includes the people in the government who are engaged both of the on the legislative side in the executive side where agencies are are focused on Paulin, and we have gotten confirmation or assurances from people like in or Huntsman. And so on that people are engaged in Paul's issue. So I've I've faith that they are doing what they can. And certainly we are confident or comfortable with the sport. We've had from the American embassy. Absolutely. Finally, a message to your brother. What would you say doing right now? I would tell him to stay strong and be patient. And I mean, I know that he understands how serious issue is. And to know that we care about him that will bring them home assumes weekend. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. And we do as as I've told you several times send our thoughts and prayers to you and your family for your brother being in this situation and your family. Situation and the situation and we hope with resolve itself. Very soon. Thank you very much JJ. Appreciate the time to be beauty. David Whelan talking with us about his brother Paul's case. We'll bring you all the details regarding it as they developed and in the process coming up on our next episode of target USA the Russians say Paul Whalen is an undercover spy for the US. But a woman who was a CIA covert agent says he's not spy material, and what the Russians are up to his plain old revenge. Russians are advanced sticking their finger in our eye. They are dairy upset that miss be Tina, the Russian national who has been indicted on charges of interference with the NRA election process, and so forth and is being held in the United States. They they don't like that at all. So this may be their kid for tat Valerie plane, a former CIA. A covert officer says this could be one of the biggest and most provocative developments since the crumbling of the Soviet Union and the so-called end of the Cold War. Absolutely. It's a shot across the Dow. Because again, if you're doing legitimate business in Moscow in Russia, and you can just be pulled off the street as this guy was. That'll shut that down. Right right away. We really are entering in many ways a second Cold War. That's coming up on our next addition as always, thank you. Sincerely for taking your time to listen to us. I really do. Appreciate your support. Please subscribe to our podcast. And if you have an idea some information, you want to share with us about a possible story reach out to us. You can find us on Twitter at t- USA podcast. That's tango. Uniform Sierra alpha podcast. You can communicate with us directly. And we can provide secure communications instructions for you in the process. 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A Tour of MREs
"Kayak Chelsea handler. And I'm launching a brand new podcast with iheartradio called life will be the death of me. And I'm going to talk to all these different people, my BFF Mary McCormack. That's what we should call. My book tour the apology, or great idea. Sorry. Everyone on this whole podcast should be called. It should be called with the orange because of the orange theme of the book Archie. Glad I went to therapy. Life will be the death of me with. Chelsea handler listening subscribe at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hello, and welcome to save her production of iheartradio and stuff media. I'm Anne Reese, and I'm Laurin Bogle bomb. And today, we're talking about 'em are es s the Mauri. The meal ready to eat meal. Comma, ready to eat really entertained by the comma, I like the comedy. That's a nice nice touch. And I have had some of these courtesy of a friend. Yeah. And they're about what you would expect okay? Are they like civilian version? Or did you get the who you're not the actual military version allegedly is that during the research? It seems like that might not have should happened. But it did have. But it did. I will see who's the person and do not try to figure it out. Oh, Well, I, I wasn't gonna to be super honest. Yeah. I mean I didn't think so. But I just had to very stern warning. No. Yes. No. Very, very important. Very and I, I have not. I had one of these. I mean, not even a civilian one not even a civilian one. Ben bullet is like a little bit obsessed with them. And, and so I think at some point, we were going to try one on snack stuff. But we never got it together to order them. Well, there is still time. There's always time they last up to three years. Wow. I retired. I do that. I think of Owen Wilson because co-worker Chandler. Always makes fun of me. When I say that anyway, anyway. Brings us to our question. Am are ease. They. Oh, well and MR E is a modern version of military food, and drink rations for deployed servicemembers. They come in pouches and contain a meal. Plus, usually a number of drink, flavorings and snacks, meant to provide up to a day's worth of nutrition. Wow. In a single little packet. These days Imerys have several requirements long-lasting, conserve a variety of weather conditions and being parachuted in light as flavorful as possible, the right amount of calories and nutrients or approximately able to be eaten cold or come with a way to heat it, and by parachuted in, by the way, that's up to one thousand two hundred feet or airdropped from a helicopter, no parachute up to one hundred feet, which is a three hundred sixty six meters or thirty meters, respectively, hoof. Yeah. Here in the US in order to figure out how to make this happen. We've got a combat feeding directorate which is part of a number of research teams within the Massachusetts Natick soldier, research, development and engineering center. Yes. It's a town called dating. Gosh. Yeah. And they have their work cut out for them. Y'all preserving food tends to mess with the flavors and textures and simultaneously destroys from the nutrients in it. So coming up with something that is, well preserved and also, you know, that anyone would still want to eat, yeah. Yeah, we're on that a little bit in our space food. Right. Absolutely. And a lot of the research that has gone into creating military is has also gone towards the space program. It's lot of very similar teams. There is also though side industry of technology, that's compatible with military vehicles, but not necessarily developed by the military that can be used to like heater chill water and a number of Mario's, simultaneously essentially like a crock pot that you can just plug, right? Into your tank. Yeah. Fun, image. It's a very militaristic little crackpot. I like it. Okay. Okay. Nutrition wise, Emory's are carefully balanced for recommended and takes a macronutrients ear fat protein carbs, possibly fiber. A lot of them are pretty light on fiber, though, and also micronutrients vitamins and minerals and stuff, and these things will fill you up and keep you going. They are designed to do that thing. They do tend to have higher than the recommended intake of sodium. But, you know, do a lot of things as do a lot of packaged and preserved foods. Yes. The number of calories per pack depends on the recommended intake for the particular deployment situation, in the US, the meals are set at around one thousand two hundred calories and sometimes a whole pouch could contain about thirty six hundred calories in total on the snacks included. There are supplements for extreme conditions though. I read that Afghanstan Emory's may contain a supplement to put him at forty six hundred calories due to the rigor of working in all that heat. And yes, that's a lot military personnel. Move around. A bunch carry heavy packs do stuff athleticism criticism. Yes, there are currently twenty four options of Imerys in the US ranging from pork rib, and clam chowder to beef, Patty and Nacho cheese. Pretzels as of two thousand fifteen the us military was buying thirty six million Ariz every year from one story. I read the bending on the army the quality of the Mari or the equivalent varies. So, for example, one French ration is worth five American in like on the black market like, yeah, like if we were in a life situation, and you've got some gushers than I have I don't know, sad ships. I. I just I really liked. Gushers mon-. Not everyone would agree with that. Well, I mean this is why trading can happen. Yes. I read a piece for vices munchies division by one David Whelan, who was reporting on what does appear in several different countries Emory's or did as of two thousand sixteen ish. The French one was by far the most fancy. They had a duck cone feet. Dear Petit and snacks like chocolate yogurt in there's dot com feet. I know. I'm not sure how they did it suppressive in the US, the main dishes are still mostly Italian perhaps because tomato based sauces are Siddiq enough to, to really help along the preservation process snacks include stuff, like cheese, spicy cheeses, spicy cheese. It's specific. The important thing. Oh, it is. We'll come back to that blueberry, cobbler bread peanut butter and caffeine infused beef jerky, interesting. I agree. Britain's means include the aforementioned clam chowder chicken, Tikka, masala, plus, extras, like Taifu, tea and breath, mints, Thai food. Yeah. Oh, one of my favorite, one of my favorite brands, so go Norway's dishes include muesli and a range of stews cod beef and chicken, plus fruit. Gumy's for dessert there with you on the gushes. Uh-huh. Wayland reports that Italy's packs range more French than talion ish in flavors and stuff. You didn't include any any specifics, but he did say that. They include a forty percent alcohol breakfast shot. Oh a breakfast breakfast shot. Yeah. Well, sure. Columbia's got a lot of rice and beans dishes. And this warm sweet cheese drink, which sounds like a warmer Cottam milkshake to me. I don't know. It sounds really good. He didn't seem to share about it. But I was like, yes, born cheese drink. I'll take it. And now. South Korea, includes, even Bob and kimchi and their ashes, and Japan, reportedly has hamburgers hot dogs and arrange of Curry's with pound cake. For dessert. Wow. I wouldn't have pegged that I know. Right. This is weird weird American Americanization over there. And Imerese superstitions, superstitious postition every now and then charms candy appears in M. R E O, and the superstition goes that this is very bad luck. Oh. And eating it is even worse look. Oh, the candy is usually tossed even if the soldier who received it doesn't find to it because others soldiers around on might chore. Don't want that though. Don't not at all those soldiers often. Call Imerys meals rejected by everyone meals, resembling edibles meals refused, by the enemy our meals rarely edible, they have come a long way, as part of what I hope is like a larger movement to acknowledge that servicemembers are people with psychological wants and needs. I'm a lot of research has been done into how to make rations, not just nutritionally adequate, but centrally acceptable or even better. Especially over time given that the range of what someone finds acceptable on day, like three is a lot wider than what they'll find acceptable on week three and then is the science fact and from a practical standpoint. I mean if people don't like the food they might not eat it, and their performance capacity and morale will decrease but stuff like flavor preferences is being explored now. It's a it's really interesting. Intersection of science and technology and psychology. Absolutely. We'll get into the history. But first, we have a quick break for word. For more sponsor. Hey, I'm Andy, if you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous, but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's. The idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and out of touch at Harry's. Our approach is simple. Here's our secret, we make sharp durable blades and sell them. 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Vegemite chocolate chip cookies, Eminem. Oh, yeah. Long before that, though, as long as they have been soldiers we've had to come up with ways to feed them. There's a saying often mis attributed to either Napoleon or Frederick, the great an army, like a serpent goes on its belly. Both did say wise in similar things about food being important for armies. But I think a clever writer came up with that particular maxim and hat tip to a quote, investigator dot com for investigating it. Roman armies hunted. Whatever they could some records, suggest that soldiers were given rations up to a pound of meat a day, if true that suggests that they would travel with massive herds of sheep's, sheep's sheep's shore. Yes, or pigs, we've talked about various foods like garlic or wine or springs of water that were believed to endow strength and or determined where armies would camp. Uh-huh. Widely viewed as the first permanent professional army the rations of the Roman legionnaires consisted of two pounds of bread, along with meet all end wine, ancient Egyptian soldiers described, rations, s quote, meager, and unpleasant. Spartan soldiers sometimes subsistence off of something called black bra, which was boiled pig's legs blood and vinegar medieval soldiers received salted fish beer, or wine, Stu and bread during the crusades crusaders sometimes loss battles, because they stop to eat once rivington Muslim Kim. Christian soldiers typically had to supply of grains and dried meat anything else, like cheese, or dried fruits and vegetables. They bought themselves locally on top of that during the first crusades soldiers had to provide for themselves which meant a lot of them had to mortgage their property. Wow. Or sell their belongings. So yeah, I'm sure they were hungry. Yeah. That did change with deals between merchants and military fleets. But let's talk about the Amish of getting con he lets yes during thirteenth century, the Mongols similarly, couldn't carry much with them and what they did carry. They brought from home all of their sustenance like wine. They got locally. They to brought herds of livestock, like sheep and cows with them as they traveled. And they supplemented, this with cured meat mare's milk, both fresh informative dried cheese curd, and they would hunt when necessary jumping ahead to the seventeenth century and the Ottoman empire. The Janice series, the sultan's foot soldiers had a better deal. Their rations included fresh bread or biscuits, a daily ration of meat usually lamb or mutton, as well as Bulger rice, Honey and coffee and Bharti for horses records show that one hundred five ovens and bul were dedicated to baking biscuits, for the soldiers, apparently, some folks accused bakers of keeping the flower for themselves replacing it with dirt in their biscuit baking, which resulted in the deaths of several soldiers. Oh, I know wants three goes that bag at the shape, particularly were developed, so that soldiers could transport them along the legs of the pants worth further research, absolutely. Feeding soldiers was a major headache for George Washington and other officials during the American revolutionary war since congress couldn't really tax people at the time, they didn't have any money to buy rations for soldiers on top of that they were dogged by transportation, difficulties this meant soldiers sometimes would go without food for days. And when they did have food it was frequently wheat and some meat that often had gone bad, congress did pass uniform rations in seventeen seventy five one pound of beef or salted fish or three fourth pound of pork. One pint of milk, one point of spruce beer. This was to combat scurvy or inciter some molasses, and one pound of bread or flour a day per week, one pint of rice and three pounds of beans peas some soldiers received four ounces of room for their rations. However, this didn't happen all the time they put the rules in place. But that didn't mean their troubles went away. Washington ignored Congress's suggestion that they take stuff from colonists in a version of a. Oh, you he didn't think it would endear them to anyone when the trying to form a new country. Oh, yeah. No. I can I can see that. Yes. Yes. Also, this is a popular. Well, not I don't know. It's a in a Hamilton song is what I was trying to say this whole struggle with feeding the soldiers. Yeah. During the war of eighteen twelve soldiers started planting gardens at military bases, and outposts. And I know what you're thinking. Well known Napoleon. Well, we'll tell you the rations allotted to his army where one pound of meat twenty four ounces of bread up to two answers dried peas lentils, a quart of wine, equal amounts. Brandy Ed vinegar, but that too rarely happened they frequently resorted to potatoes and corn, which were pretty much ready to eat though, not very tasty, straight out of the ground who've the eighteen sixty one military handbook and soldiers manual of information, provided information on cooking large amounts of food for soldiers stationed at forts row. Rashes for union soldiers during the American civil war included three or four pounds meet a pound of either cornmeal or wheat, some vegetables vinegar, molasses this didn't last too long though, hard, tack, biscuits, chide meat and vegetables became more than norm coffee, which was replaced by rum in some cases, as we discussed in past episode coffee became extremely difficult to procure, especially in the south. Oh, yeah. As they marched south. They got some crops locally, and they also received care packages from home. Yeah. Coffee around this time there is a whole thing of people trying to figure out how to technologically produce coffee that soldiers could take with them a you know, we didn't have freeze drying yet. So some kind of preservation of some kind of coffee concentrate, sue purportedly, the very worst tasting coffee that anyone has ever had. Ooh, I know that's a bad cough that too. I'm like, really have you been to England? England. Even though we America usually goes pretty good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've also sheriff yes there is a quote from a from a French Marshall. Mc mahone. I think it might also be Mr. tributed, what vast events depend upon an army's not going into action before it has had its coffee who. Shaping the future subject jury of nations? Yeah. Injuries. Right. Well anyway, anyway, ninety seven was the year. We saw the first industrialized ration, the iron ration three ounces of beefcake some chocolate and salt and pepper. Kanfer juice for rations made their first appearance in the Spanish American war in eighteen ninety eight, but there were problems due to improper sealing the foods frequently spoiled. We also talked about this, in our canned food episode and how Napoleon and his need to feed his soldiers pushed along this innovation by World War, One, the canned food situation was much improved canned meats and vegetables crackers. The soldiers dubbed dog biscuits soldiers in the trench might receive hot meals made in the field and transported to them via these big milk cans, suspended on a pole between two soldiers. They got tobacco and half a pound of candy every ten days. World War, Two soldiers, got one of two types of rations combat troops got conveniently named C, rations ration combat individual. And the lighter. More easily transportable K, rations originally, designed for paratroopers C, rations had six containers, poor crate, and two units, the b unit and the immune it the b unit okay? Consisted of things like grid sugar and coffee while the m unit consisted of eleven different meat and vegetable options example of what you'd find in their canned fruit. Franken beans instant coffee, chocolate slash fudge process cheese. Crackers chewing gum toilet paper and cigarettes and a matchbox and Kano. But yeah, yeah. We talked about that in our canopy river sodas. Well, these were designed to deliver three thousand six hundred calories and pretty much everyone hated throwback. Dr spam, episode, lots of throwbacks on this one. Like we said it has impacted a lot as the war raged on soldiers sometimes would get things like Buluan powdered lemon sweetened cocoa a wooden spoon. There was also the air ashen, which were like the choice, A, plus ration. They were fresh refrigerated are frozen foods and be rationed foods packaged foods prepared in the mess hall, or field kitchens of that, commercial candy, a popular option was in minimums, packaged in cardboard to according to the Eminem's website, Forrest Mars senior. Yeah, that one that Mahler's Moore's got the idea for Eminem's after witnessing soldiers during the Spanish civil war, even pieces of chocolate coated with a hard coat to of sugar to prevent melting Eminem's are still popular. It rations as our skills. Then we see the MCI meals combat individual or see rats as the rations for American soldiers from nineteen fifty eight to nineteen Eighty-one, and this was a cardboard box of one thousand two hundred calories. Composed of things like canned meat canned bread more often crackers or biscuits and canned desert, like, applesauce, our peaches lots of cans. Oh, yeah. And these cans weren't the easiest to carrier those soldiers would frequently take apart the box and put the cans in their socks, which they would then hang from their PECS to cook Lille some soldiers punched a hole in their canned. Foods and heated. It was see four. Oh, yeah. They there were main courses like ham, and eggs, the aforementioned beans at Franks. And permutations of spam. That sounds like a modern art fees. Does. And I wanted the folks that Mickle Henny since soldiers mini bottles of Tabasco with recipe books to soldiers Tabasco became so popular that British ration packs. Sometimes contain it today. Wow. In nineteen sixty four the discovery of new freeze drying techniques led to the creation of food packet long range patrol the LLP, and these were used for longer missions, and referred to freeze dried entrees that repre- cooked and could be reconstituted in the field. They were expensive. However, and did not stick around long so they needed a replacement in the US government tapped civilian. Scientists Dr Abdul Rahman to come up with one, and when it came up with was an easily transportable, flexible pouch filled with a dehydrated complete meal, the M R us recognized with the meritorious civilian service award, the US department defense, instituted the Emory, as official combat rations and. Nineteen seventy five with the large scale production, getting underway, a couple of years later in nineteen seventy eight and delivery of M. R E one began in nineteen eighty one. Then they started field testing in one thousand nine hundred eighty and the consensus among soldiers consuming three Imerys a day was basically, they're fine, eight only around sixty percent of the calories rich. Like you said is a problem. But when they redid the survey on the same divisions of same soldiers thereabouts in nine hundred eighty six they found the Imerys were more highly rated and more highly consumed frankfurters, however, we're called the forefingers biff had they came in little four little links per package. Four fingers of death. Nonetheless, the DOD did make a lot of changes with the nineteen eighty eight batches of Imerys package says Emory eighteen serving sizes rose from five ounces to eat ounces nine of twelve entrees changed commercial candies and hot sauces, very key or added to four menus, each and basis for cold beverages, added to all twelve in the early days of operation Desert Storm more changes were made based on soldier feedback Emory ten replace the old sprayed dried coffee with freeze dried coffee, hot sauces added to all two of us and commercial candy was added to an additional four options, totaling eight. They also swapped out dehydrated fruit with wet pack fruit these were designed to be stored for up to three years at up to eighty degrees Fahrenheit that's around twenty seven celsius without going bad. And yes, could be parachuted in now officials only meant for soldiers to eat Imerys for ten days. As during operation Desert Storm, but some soldiers ended up eating them for over sixty days as a result. Three changes were quickly put into place shelf, stable bread in an Amaury pouch, a high heat stable chocolate bar that could survive the desert heat of their tents had unsuccessfully produced an undesirable product. Look, very waxy and a flame Lewis ration heater that the F R H as a way to warm up entrees, F R H is are bent on commercial flights, by the way, I'll I can see that. Hershey's released their version of this chocolate kind of newly designed heat resistant chocolate desert bars during Gulf war. It's very tricky, because you wanna say desserts, that's not. Nope. In fact, in fact, Google is saying that we have misspelled that word right now. I know that Flynn Lewis ration heater, by the way works via chemical reaction. It's a pouch of nag museum and salt. And you just porn a little bit of water. And, and it creates a chemical reaction that heats the bag by a hundred degrees Fahrenheit within minutes. Yeah, you just please, whatever packet your heating on top of the heat back. Apparently, after the main part of the Gulf war, Colin Powell, then the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff took up, the cause of better Murray's personally over the next few years, policies were adopted like switching out too many a year. Some entrees were changed out. Chocolate coffee were improved in early nineteen Ninety-four. They put into place. Three more changes. I love this rule of threes is happening here. First commercial graphics, on the packaging after studies showed that it meant higher rates of acceptance and consumption. Okay. The packaging was also made easier to open biodegradable spoons were added, and they were along gated to make them easier to use. They also introduced these drinks, such, it's that could potentially remove the need for servicemembers to carry cups. The packet contains the flavoring. Yeah, add water, and you can drink right out of the pack, Capri sun, sort of thing. To keep things from getting monotonous. They increased menu options up to twenty four now with four vegetarian options and kosher and halal options. Seventy new items have been approved for improvement and fourteen of the least accepted replaced and progress continues in the early two thousands research began in earnest to improve the sterilization process that's used to make Emory's shelf stable up until that point thermal processing was the standard. It's similar to canning and means that, whatever you put an MAURICE has to be pretty hardy, and, like, maybe a little bit gooky and acidic, there tends to be a high moisture level. The new process though. Microwave assisted thermal sterilization allows for lots of more delicate foods to be preserved dairy products whole meats, like chicken, breasts or fish and fresh like vegetables. I'm still not entirely sure. What fresh like means. But yeah, this also allows them to Adams nutrient boosters like, I'm a lemon pound cake, fortified with the mega three fatty acids that wouldn't survive the other process, however, it does require different packaging. The current foil packs that the food sterilized in cannot be microwaved foil. Whips. Sparks. Yes. And perhaps the pinnacle of this throughout the twenty teens. Researchers have been working on an Emory pizza. The can keep up for for up to three years and apparently tastes like the cold pizza that so many of us have enjoyed for breakfast. I'm not sure if they actually have come out with it, yet they're there. I mean they keep saying, like, oh, another six months. Oh, it's going to be in two thousand eighteen it's now two thousand nineteen. I haven't read anything about it actually being released. I think it was a pepperoni and cheese pizza or something thereabouts, but reminds me of the thirty rock episode where David was the pilot and he kept saying, we'll take off is the thirty minute delay because people will accept the thirty minute delay than it was like ours, because they've been trying to get pizza. We talked about that in our space food episodes. Yeah. For ever ever since pizza has been part of the American culinary environment rights. We've been trying to get an interactions. So if, if anyone has an update on that me know, I couldn't find anything more recent than than early twenty eighteen and a yet, more more research. They're currently looking into how am Ari foods impact our gut microbiome, which in turn impacts a lot of factors in her health. There are civilian equivalents to Murray's, as well for things like camping, and they are considerably better quality because they don't have to. They don't have the same restrictions. Yes. Yeah. It's illegal to sell military great injuries to civilians in retail shops in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina destruction. There was a push to work on ready to eat meals for civilians, there are also Imerys designed specifically for emergencies at medical facilities during agencies where FEMA is called in those civilian kit producers switchover to producing exclusively for disaster relief until the need is met. And yeah, that's about what we have to say about Emory's I do want to recommend some further listening for y'all. The sport full podcast at a great episode interviewing veterans about eating while deployed back in December of twenty twelve and Gastropod actually went inside Natick. Slabs in March of two thousand eighteen so check out those two have. So it's really good. Oh, yeah, there's a lot a lot to say about the eve. Oh, yeah. Many, many opinions. There. And, and all of those great technologies will we'll have to there were a few rabbit holes that I was like streamline streamline. The coffee thing. Yeah. Of coffee episode. It's it's coming eventually sad. And it's coming. Yeah. Yeah. But for now. Yeah, we have arrived at the end of this episode, but we do have a little bit more for you. We do, but first, we've got one more quick break for a word from our sponsor. I can't believe that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets book, here comes one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead. I know everybody. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance with gyco. Oh, are you though, projected increase in organic Khukri revenue? Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. And we're back with listener mail. Yeah. It's true. Thank you. Always with you. Oh, you. Bod-. Guests team for effort. Samantha wrote, I'm writing to tell you about what is undoubtedly the best complimentary snack. I have had and it's right in my hometown. The complimentary snack is general, please. A bucket of bake. Yeah. Every Thursday at a place called the bug pub, picking Thursday. They can stay you sit down and then give you a little metal bucket of delicious, crisp bacon. My mother has always said how great the restaurant was. But once you told me about this extra perk? I thought what free bacon every Thursday, surly, it can't be so I went to the bog at the bar and almost immediately the bartender plopped, a little bucket of bacon in front of me and acid, I was having as may or may not be part of the reason the bog pub is my favorite restaurant in town, if you ever come to Cape Cod. Maybe visit for an episode on Cape Cod potato chips. I highly suggest visiting Thursday or otherwise. Oh, yeah. That sounds fabulous. There is a place in town Leon's that at least used to have on their menu on there. Like small bites not even appetizers like pre appetizer bites. You can just get a little bucket of bacon. And for an extra like buck you could get a sidecar of peanut butter, too. Dip it into what I know dude. Oh, no. I'm not sorry, must go now. Weekend plans canceled clear. My schedule helps us be there showing this every time I get hungry over several hours. Yeah, no, but, but, but bacon Thursday. Title wrote, I just listened to the bar snacks episode. And I was reminded of happy hour bar snacks at Morton, steakhouse and head to share. I don't think they did this at all locations, but they actually used to have free fillets sliders at the bar to make sure it wasn't remembering incorrectly. Since people asked around me had no recollection of this. I tried searching for mentions of it on the internet and found this from Seattle and it was proof. It was proof of the it was in a happy hour guide. Definitely one of the best bar snacks. I've had four. The value goodness, I bet. Oh, that's. I know I'm not even hungry at I'm hungry. Oh, gosh. A lot of you have written in with. Bar snacks, that I found very unique end hunger, inspiring, and probably be hearing more from those listeners in this listener mail section about those things in the future. All they're all convoluted but it was in there. Was eventually. I had dreams and hope you, you just kept believing. And I did came to did. We do have some announcements, as well -absolutely as of the day that this episode comes out, we are maybe mostly any but, but me as well to are headed to the Atlanta food and wine festival. Yes, it is a fabulous celebration of everything that chefs around Atlanta, and the south in general, and bartenders and other food related humans are doing. There's demonstrations there. The food tasting tensor overwhelming, and wonderful. Yes, you're my hunt for as many Cousy like. Like you got sixty seven I don't think I can tough it. I look forward to hearing. 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And that means since we will be gone for two weeks. You will be hearing some classics. We might do some classic episode or a show off some of the some of the interviews that we got to do on our previous trips that we never got to share with you. Yeah. Yes. So hopefully you won't hate those. Oh, they'll, they'll be like these people podcast. We agree. We also like. Podcast anyway. In the meantime, things to both of these listeners for writing to us. Oh, yeah. You too can write to us or Email, is Hello at saver Ripon dot com. And we are on social media. You can find us there on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram we are at saver pod. We do hope to hear from, you savor is a production of iheartradio and stuff media. For more podcast, my heart radio, you can visit the I heart radio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows, thank you, as always tour super producers Dylan Fagin, and Andrew Howard, thanks to you for listening. And we hope that lots more good. 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Target USA -- Episode 154: Russia denies jailed American access to US assistance
"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA ball willin is an American who was arrested on December twenty eighth twenty eight teen in Moscow. They've refused to share any information other than just the basic information that he has been charged with espionage, the Russian government says he was quote caught red-handed and quote, but they've never said what he was doing except that he received a USB flash drive from someone in a hotel. And what's worse? According to his brother, David. The Kremlin is denying him. The ability to get the help you needs from the US government Russians have blocked his ability to sign a Privacy Act waiver, which is a form that allows a detainee to authorize the US government to speak to the public or you know, communicate to the press about his case. And wait till you hear how they're doing it. There are guards who are in. In the room with the embassy staff and with Paul and when they attempt to pass a decent paper to Paul. They are physically stopped from passing that piece of paper over who latest on Paul Huilan's detention in Russia's infamous KGB prison live four Togo coming up on this edition of target USA the national security broadcast from WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorists DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to see an attack criminal success. America as a target on its back and on this program. We investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA the national security broadcast. Every couple of days, David Whelan a law librarian in Toronto. Canada puts out an update about his twin brother Paul who's been held in Russia's infamous Lefortovo prison in Moscow on still unexplained espionage charges since December twenty eighth of twenty eight teen Paul Wayland is a former US marine who was in Moscow to attend the wedding of a buddy from his military days when he was arrested in a hotel Russian authorities say he was caught accepting thumb drive. That contained classified information on it the person whom he received thumb drive from as not been identified. David spoke with target USA on January thirtieth to update us on the situation. And it's starting to look like the Russian government is planning to keep him in custody for quite a while at the same time, they're keeping his family in the dark. We haven't learn. Anything official which is I I think probably the most frustrating part of this. So far, we've heard the same things. I think that everybody else has through the media. There have been some leaks to Russian media about a USB drive. And what Paul was doing minister Laverov foreign minister Lavrov has said that Paul was caught red handed, and Paul's lawyer has spoken about the USB drive in that apparently it was given to Paul and he was expecting to receive some sort of photographs on it of churches or something. And and and really that's all we have are these secondhand offhand? Comments about the details. You said in one of your recent updates that the Russian government is continued to stonewall about polls case, can you be more specific about that? Yes. It really feels like and the Paul has been called upon in some sort of political end game. And and to the extent that he's upon. It's a stalemate the Russians have blocked his ability to sign a Privacy Act waiver, which is a form that allows the detail. Any to authorize the US government to speak to the public or communicate to the press about his case. Even though he's only made knowledge that he was waving it in the presence of ambassador Huntsman on that very first. Visit they've refused to share any information other than just the basic information that he's been charged with espionage. So that's the only official comment. We have about that. It just it seems to be a complete lack of information they blocked the British from being able to see him even though he'd specifically asked for contracts. So we are hopeful I mean tomorrow, the producer the UK government is embassy staff is supposed to meet with Paul. So on January thirty first, but the Russians have deflected their requests for weeks. So I think that there is a very strange amount or strange at least to me amount of stonewalling or slow walking. At least you set as well. They have blocked his ability to sign this waiver. How they done that have. They simply not. Scented to him or how they done that. Well, this'll be my understanding of what the meetings are like, but it's my understanding that when Paul meets with embassy officials from any of the consulates. So this is the same when he met with the Canadians with the Irish there are guards who are in the room with the embassy staff and with Paul, and when they attempt to pass a piece of paper to Paul they are physically stopped from passing that piece of paper over and that piece of paper that needs to go into some prison process where it's translated or whatever, but in the case of the Privacy Act waiver the waiver has not been passed onto Paul. And so where we've been able to pass other things letters or other pieces of information to Paul that don't have anything to do with his case to Privacy Act has not. Is not being allowed to be proffered to Paul. So let me just be clear all of the paper that you're trying to pass to him essentially as confiscated, and then reviewed is that what I'm hearing you say, and then everything else has been passed to him in allowed for for him to get. But this this this waiver is not yes. And I don't know about the full circuit. I know that the the pieces of paper are taken by someone at the prison, and my understanding is that they review it, and then they translated. So I don't know if the translation happens I or the review, and then our sumptious they reach Paul. But again, we're on a sort of a cycle of once a week meetings. And so we're not always sure that the the piece of paper has a ride. So for example, documents that we gave or pieces of paper we gave to Paul or asked to be given to Paul last week. We won't know if he's actually seen them until tomorrow or the next time that does a consular visit. So, you know, this is a very concerning. And I can certainly understand why. How you feel the way you feel because this very clearly appears to be an overt effort by the Russian prison system. I e the Russian government prevent your brother from from any kind of speedy process judicial process here also this situation regarding the lawyer, you said that he didn't actually choose that lawyer. You don't think he actually chose the lawyer somebody else did is that correct? That's correct. When he met with the Canadian embassy staff last week, they asked him if he'd selected his lawyer, and he did not select mister Rabin gov, and doesn't know how Mr. charabanc of less elected. And so I mean, obviously that's a bit of a concern the Russian criminal procedure code says that I think it's article fifty that they detainee or the accused is allowed to select their lawyer. So we think Paul should have that opportunity. We've given him a list of some other lawyers to consider and we're not suggesting that he. He changed lers necessarily. But he should have the option if that's what the right of the accused has he ends up with a lawyer that really doesn't speak English. Right. He ends up with a lawyer who doesn't speak English. We've asked them to give us some information about the costs of the case. They haven't been able to tell us how much his legal fence is going to cost. Just it's the sort of thing that if you were to hire a lawyer on your own in the in North America. None of these things would really I think happened in the same way, you'd have a much better sense of, you know, if if he's a government appointed lawyer will then you know, that would be obvious. But instead, we we've heard I've read media counts that his son was involved Romans European gov or that a secret person was involved. And so I mean, just becomes very odd. I think one of the interesting contrast for me is I was reading about the fellow who stole the painting from the Moscow art gallery, and we already know tons about you know, we know his name. We know what happened. We know that they're looking for accomplices. We know so much about. The details of his case. And that happened just a day or two ago, and we're over thirty days in on Paul, and we really have nothing other than just rumors of USB drive that may have had or that he expected to have photos on it that apparently has caused him to be a spy, and it's just it's mind blowing to me. What's what's your brothers said about that USB? We don't know all we know that he said is that he has denied the charges. But again, we can't speak to on the phone everything. We get is related from these weekly consular visits. What's interesting about this is, you know, a lot of people have tried to compare this situation with a Maria Boutin ah situation here in in Washington. And it's my understanding that she was allowed to speak with her. Parents father her family on the phone the Russian consulate was granted access to her and they visited her regularly. None of those visits were blocked, but it seems quite odd that they wouldn't follow through with the same kind of courtesy. If you will or I mean, it's a legal right that he should be able to do that that they that they wouldn't follow through with that. So it's it seems to suggest that they have something to hide here. That's sort of where I'm leaning to. And in fact, I asked that specific question of Paul's lawyers this morning via Email, and I don't I don't know when I'll hear back, but they were very kind. They sent us. Some photographs of lists of information that are inside the prison of things you can take into the prison and things you can't to help us. You know, what to send Paul and how many things he can have because you can only have like two show. Sheets one blanket. And he's so if you send a second blanket, it'll get rejected and one of the things on the list phone cards, and and I was surprised because at this point we'd been told that Paul isn't allowed to use the phone, and I thought that meant that phones weren't accessible, but clearly phones are acceptable. If the prisoners are loud phone cards. So I've asked them because it now seems like he's he's being blocked for making phone calls for reasons related to his case rather than because it's technically allowed or or the rules disallow it, but that is something specific to Paul Whalen, the twin brother a poem, and when we come back, the disappointing reality regarding his case, I mean, we're really talking about leaving him in jail going through this process, which seems to be sort of just a show trial process for what seems to be an inevitable conviction. Anyway, that's coming up when we continue on target USA the national security podcast. 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This has been a target USA moment episode sixteen downloaded relive it on jayjay green. And this is target USA on this episode. We've been talking with David Wayland about his brother Paul who's been held in a Russian prison sense. December twenty eighth we've talked about the legal situation. The fact that the Russian government is not being forthcoming. Now, a critical question. How is he doing physically? Well, it sounds like he's going to be a trimmer person. He's lost a little bit of weight already. He's a little bit concerned about a couple of health problems. He has at our age. There are things that come up. And I think it it's it's things that he was monitoring on his own anyway. But being in a prison, you're that much more worried that something might happen. And he doesn't have the Russian language skills to communicate about it. So that is become a growing concern for him that there's a disconnect between. Issues. He's got an his ability to get them seem to by medical staff at the prison, but to their credit the prison staff have been responsive when the Canadian embassy spoke to them last week, for example, they seemed very concerned to try and make sure that Paul's needs were being met. I don't want you to get into his personal issues here. But I would like to ask if you can if you can't answer it understand completely are any of these issues life threatening. No, I don't well. No, not like a heart attack or anything like that now. But these are that do need to be seen too. Because if they don't then they could become life threatening over time is what I hear you saying, right? Okay. Well, you know, thank you for sharing that. And I'm hopeful that he's able to get the kind of help that he needs. So what's the US government, the Canadian government the Irish government in the UK government saying and doing how's how is your assistance from them going in your contact with them specifically, the US government from the perspective of the consular access and the embassies in Moscow. I don't think we could be asking for anything more than they are doing. They have all been cooperating and collaborating when one of the embassies gets access the. Other embassies send things over to that that consulate. So that Paul gets whatever the latest thing is. So the American embassy staffer gonna be walking some letters over to the British today. So that you can take it tomorrow. So that will have the latest letters that came in when the Irish visited they took in toiletries and other things for Paul that the UK government had had gotten even though the government headed up not being allowed to see Paul. So that amount of cooperation and oversight of Paul is just it's extremely helpful for us his family because now we don't really have to worry about that as much. I mean, obviously are worried that the the there seems to be a lack of due process there. But that's been great. I think the the I wouldn't say it's a frustration. But there is a silence above above the embassy level that we are a little bit worried about after the initial statements from Mr. hunt in the UK and minister free land in Canada and secretary. Pompeo. We've heard very little other than were aware of it. We're looking into it. And I think at some point we are hoping that we'll see a more overt display of diplomacy or discussion about policies to let us know that something is actually percolating debt level because we really haven't seen anything higher than the MC level in quite a while have you gotten confirmation that the president President Trump is aware of the situation. Not personally I've seen the the media reports. I seen him comment that he that there. He's aware of pulse case and secretary Pompeo said on a number of occasions, either to the media directly or seen statements where he he in minister free Linton spoken about Paul. So again, I know I know that it's being discussed, and I'm sure it's being discussed at levels that are are are where these sorts of things are resolved. But I do get a little bit of concern that you know, after months that there hasn't. Moreover. Requests for information perhaps that that the Russians essentially be asked to explain what's going on. And why they think Paul is over there, and the silence, I think is is is not what I would have expected when an American detained in a foreign country. President Trump says he has a good relationship with Letterman Putin. It's a bit. I'm sure disconcerting to you. Not to have heard anything at all in in public public statement regarding your brother from the president, especially considering the situation if I remember correctly, you did say in one of your earlier notes in the previous week that it might be a scenario where the best way to get your brother released and home sooner than later is some kind of intervention from the government. But it it. It's it's interesting that President Trump hasn't said anything, would you do you have you any interest in saying anything to him about this? I think I would say the same thing to President Trump that I would say to anybody who has the expertise to help Paul which is that I have total faith that you are working on policies. I know you're aware of it. And that there are things that have to be done. But behind the scenes that may be more successful than talking about it openly. And I'm totally fine with that. But I think it is it is challenging for the families of people who are detained. And I think it should be worrying for businessmen business people who go to foreign countries like Russia to know that it it really could be that disappeared for a while. And there's periodic contact with the family through the the great embassy staff. But that there's not really a sense that the government is is is is. Taking action for you. And so so you really do have to just sort of wait. And and take it on faith that it's going to happen. I think I think the only thing we see is diplomatic solution. I think we really have to wait for Paul to go through the legal process. He'll be there for another two years. Two years is that what you're hearing. Or is that would you do you just is that something throwing out there? His lawyer has said to us we should expect him to be in pretrial in the pretrial detention for six months to a year. We've heard from another lawyer in Russia that they would expect the pretrial investigation to take about a year and the trial to take about a year. So we're expecting somewhere between twelve and twenty four months for the trial process to churn out. And and the reality is that in a report I saw the one hundred percent convictions in these sorts of article, two seven six espionage cases, and the Russian system has well over ninety nine percent conviction rate for any other crime. Anyway, so I mean, we're really talking about leaving him in jail going through this process, which seems to be just a show trial process for what seems to be an inevitable conviction. Anyway. So if there's a way too short. Not short change and run that that situation and have home sooner. I think the only way to do that. We'll be through diplomatic means. I've asked you a lot of questions today. And yeah, I I'm at a loss myself as well for what Russia might be up to aside from some ill conceived plot to make an example of him because of the boot Tina situation, and maybe the victim boots situation some years ago, but it just doesn't seem to be doing a heck of a lot. If anything for Russia's reputation, and they probably the Kremlin people who run it don't really care. But at the end of the day, what is it that your family is thinking that? I haven't asked you about that. You think is important. Well, I think we're not thinking very much about the reason why I think we're really just focused on bringing him home because Maria Boutin is likely to have a hearing next month. And if she is sentenced, she may already have served all the time she needs to serve, and then she may be going home. So I think a lot of the. The the trade talk or you know, the the why is not something we have worried about too much. I mean, we're curious obviously, I think like anybody else who's watched Paul situation. But we I think would really just be focused on if the Russian government has a reason to keep him than than they should show that reason is so that we can all move forward and solve whatever problem. They're trying to solve using foreign citizens, and they say that they don't use foreign citizens for political reasons, and that's fine. And then if that's the case, then they really have just a really weak apparently false espionage case. And we've rather him be sent home for that too. So either way we just wanna see him come home. What kind of sponsor you getting from Russian press. Any I it's actually it's been very similar to the English press English speaking press, just proportionately much less. So there are four five Russian media outlets who've contacted me. And I've gone through the same process with them. I've tried to treat them this way. As the English speaking press doing interviews, and so on and they receive the same Email updates that I send out to everybody else. And really, I think the the big challenge shares just a translation, and the understanding of if they've translated their question questioned English, you know, sort of getting it back there. But it's I think it's been it's been positive, although I'm not sure that it has much of an impact. Why what do you not feel? It has much of an impact. Well, I think that some of the some of the updates for example, you'll see you can see update that I sent to you, for example, and you can look at the similar story that posts on Interfax, and so two it'll been edited down to the things that are. Acceptable or Russian media to talk about and eliminate some of the others. And that's fine. They have their own media market to respond to. But I think at the end of the day. The Russian media won't have a whole lot of impact on how policy perceived. So we we we appreciate their interest. But I think it's the English commuted that can help us most at at getting Paul's issue in front of the governments that are going to be able to help him Interfax, and you know, I guess tasks in these these other some of these some of these other Russian media, you aren't aware that they're they have a history of being associated with Russian intelligence and the Russian government and are not considered in the general scheme of media to be objective. Yes, I understand that. And I think it's it's in the way that I've been communicating on Paul's behalf, and that we've sort of tried to tell his story. I think we're trying to tell historians as well as we can. And we do it as well almost entirely on the record. So anything that I share with you or with other media? I'm not concerned about Interfax or the people who are part of intelligence who are part of Interfax. Seeing the same information as far as I'm concerned. It's it's information that we're comfortable sharing with everybody in the world. And to the extent that when we speak to people in the media, whether it's media North America or media in Russia. There are sometimes audiences who are listening, and so I would not want to forgo the ability to speak to one of those audiences. Even if my message is not necessarily the exact message that I transmitted in the first place. Well, I guess it's also a good point to to include them because they have the reputation that they have. But the other media that you know, that are fair and objective give them both the same information. And people can see what the difference is between what it is that the media that you know, that her fair and trustworthy are. And what these others might post as you mentioned they pick and choose what the cast. Yeah. That's right. And I think that the the nice thing about. At being able to reach out to the western media in particular is that I can share what I know. And you know, if we've heard from the lawyer, or if we've heard from the embassies, I can share that with all of you, and then you can go out and corroborated. You can follow up with additional questions that come off of that. You can interview the people that that we mentioned in. That's great. And if the Russian media decided to do the same things that would be super as well. But yeah, I just I see it as it. It's it's not additional work for me to share the same story. And as you say merely by having it appear in multiple reliable publications in the west as well as publications in other countries. You have that creation of the same story is coming out. And if it looks weird than it may have more to do with his polishing, then the actual story. David, thank you so much. I appreciate I appreciate your taking time to spend time with us today and previously we continue to send our best wishes to you for your brother situation. And we are hopeful that this will be resolved sooner than later. Emme to thanks so much for your time. JJ I really appreciate it. That's David Whelan brother of poll, we will continue to monitor the situation, and we'll bring you developments as they won't. That's it for this episode coming up on our next program. Whether it's terrorism anarchist, cyber criminals, nation-states intelligence or the US's own counterintelligence drama. That's playing out in the congress. Join us on target USA for the latest. Thank you for checking in with us. Follow us on Twitter at t- USA podcast. That's tango. Uniform Sierra alpha podcast. You can also let me know what you think at J green at W T O P dot com. That's the letter j the color green one word at whiskey Tango. Oscar Papa Jay green at WTO p dot com. I'm Jay Jay green, and this is targeting. Essay national security podcast now, stay tuned for the latest headlines from the Associated Press.
Target USA -- Episode 187: Congress gets involved in attempts to free an American from a Russian prison
"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA there are so many difficult parts. I don't even I know where to start. Elizabeth Whelan is Paul Whelan's sister and she joins target USA to talk about the hard struggle to get him out of a Russian jail aol where he's been held for almost ten months being helpless you know I have. I don't have any power don't have I don't have money. I don't have connections. I do do not have any celebrities on my phone that I can dial and ask for them to to weigh in. I do not have any way to contact the White House and just say hey you excuse me about my brother likewise with Russia. I can't call up anyone in Russia and say you know do something over there helped get my brother so there's this feeling of helplessness but a week ago she was in Washington lobbying cleaning imploring Congress to helper and she got some help and after that help came she stopped but by to talk to target USA about it and we'll have the details coming up on this edition of Target USA the National Security Garrity podcast from WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA Russia could render render huge arm to this country. North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist. DC is repeatedly mentioned some place they. I would like to see an attack criminal successful. America has a target on its back and on this program we investigate investigate the threats the people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target. USA The national national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green if you've listened to this program before you know we have talked several times about the story of Paul whalen he was arrested in Russia in December of last year and has languished in Lefortovo Prison prison a KGB era prison in Moscow. He has been there charged with espionage. No one is presented any significant or actually really any evidence that he didn't many in the United States certainly including his family and others in Russia. A lot of people in Russia believed that he's being railroaded corroded by the F. S. B. which is the successor to the KGB. We've talked with Paul's twin brother. David on numerous occasions interviews for this program Graham in fact our last episode was a conversation with David Whelan. David has handled the communication side of things for the family in their quest to get Paul released from from that prison on this program. We talk with Elizabeth Whelan their sister. Her job is to deal with Congress and dealing with Congress. If you know anything anything at all about Congress can be challenging to say the least in the months as you will learn listening to this podcast she's run into virtual brick walls trying to get people to pay attention to Paul situation and more importantly struggling to get them to help last week she and people helping her family on the hill finally got a congressional resolution going to help Paul whalen after meeting on the hill announcing that resolution she came to talk to target USA. Our first question was what's the status of Paul's case. He was just indicted. I believe it was August the thirtieth they finally said formal charges have been I'm placed against him and exactly what was he indicted on on espionage charges is but without any other detail into their. Ben Any evidence presented well we understand from the Russian lawyer that evidence is supposed to go to the Russian lawyer in between now and December the twenty ninth that the some very small amount of that will be translated into English for Paul to see but the lawyer speaks only Russia and the evidence will be in Russian. Paul will not be able to get the best sense of what's going on. Even though there will be a translator there is an English. We're speaking associate but still this is a terrible situation for him to be in He's not a spy He's being charged with espionage. Can you imagine having having been in jail for so many months not being able to read the evidence against you not being sure that the lawyer who has been placed to defend offend you. is going to be able to communicate to you anything about this evidence. It's a terribly scary situation yeah no. I can't imagine that I've been talking with your your your brother. David for months about this and I can't imagine or get my head around exactly what Paul must be going through in this prison from you personally. What is your family been going through. Okay well our family I do have. I have two brothers other than Paul and we have divided up between us. a little bit of how we're going to go about advocating four. Paul my brother David has been the spokesperson and is the one who's been on television and that sort of thing over the months I'm an I've my job has been to come down to Washington and advocate in person in the halls of government for Paul are other brother has been handling pulling a behind the scenes communications with the other embassies that are involved because Paul does have four citizenships and also handling his personal affairs but I've sort sort of become in Washington the face of Paul Whalen this is about my sixth trip down here and one of the reasons I I'm back this particular week week is to help introduce a resolution on Paul's behalf that the Michigan delegation has put out there. That's precisely what we want to talk about today. The resolution Philipson okay one of the things I discovered early on. I I had to learn how to navigate this entire scenario go to Capitol Hill and start where and everyone everyone pointed me to Michigan and that made a lot of sense because from the minute that we discovered that Paul had been arrested we had great support from the Michigan Delegation Appall lives in Novi Michigan and representative Hayley. Stevens is the representative there now she you had not even been sworn in at the time that Paul was arrested so here she is a freshman coming down to start her new career on the hill and one of her constituents gets arrested in Russia so she's been very helpful. Miss Start her staff is in constant communication with me and then senator stabbing out called about the same time had a good conversation helped me understand who I should be talking to the different offices senator Gary Peters staff has been extraordinary the whole way and then we've had so many other people helpful as well representative Tim Walberg. He is the representative from my parents district Manchester Michigan and he came on board very it quickly to start gathering support and many of the other people the other representatives within the delegation have been helpful so what they did was amongst themselves put together a letter quite a few months ago to Secretary of State Pompeo saying you know we want some attention brought to this matter. as the months have gone on and other developments have happened such as Paul's medical situation getting worse my representative Bill Keating from Massachusetts he's a he called me a number of times to be had to do something about this he wrote a letter with some of these other folks to ambassador Antonoff the Russian ambassador under here in DC complaining so all of these things have been going on and we've had this amazing amount of support it got to the point however ever where no matter what was going on the embassy in Moscow was being fantastic ambassador huntsman doing lots of things for Paul people people in the State Department behind the scenes American citizen services. They're the people you go to when you lose your passport but also if you end up in trouble like Paul or the people to help you out so all of these people were doing I've been doing many things to help Paul. The State of Michigan said we need to we need to do more. We need to push this further and that's what this wrestle resolution is about. It calls not only for addressing the many problems that we've had this entire time such as there hasn't been proper consular access. We can't communicate with him. We haven't been able to talk to him on the phone. his medical situation we are unsure of the embassy keeps asking for medical records and we can't get them when I say we I mean the United States not just his family family and finally why on Earth have they arrested him. He's not a spy. Show US your evidence or release them and mostly release them. I think people people at this point saying it's nine months and Paul needs to come home. He used to go back to Novi Michigan. This is ridiculous. What have you heard from the Russians. about this the Russian government you said your brother had been in contact or tried to be in contact with the Russian embassy here. what what have you heard if anything well from the embassy here the Russian Embassy of course they've got to they're in coordination with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs over in Russia so the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. There's like our State Department Paul was arrested by the FSB which is sort of the modern version of the KGB and then the Ministry of Foreign Affairs the MFA. Those are the people that we have to communicate with so the ambassador here is going to basically say what the MFA has told him to say just just as our ambassadors are working conjunction with our Secretary of State and the State Department so it's a little difficult. We've got one entity whose arrested Paul in his is calling him a spy and we have this other entity who we politically deal with which is the MFA. We can't call up the fish be and say you know. Let them out affordable. So what did what does the embassy said they want to stick to their concept of judicial process and they say well we picked up. Paul whalen red-handed and that he was spying and we're going to have a trial so they're sticking to that story even though we we are pretty sure that Paul was set up by the FBI and that the MFA knows darned well that he is not a spy our belief is and I think that really is true for most of the government that we understand that Paul was taken to be trade fodder of some sort. We don't know what for we don't even know the circumstances of the arrest. I we've heard different stories but we can't corroborate any of them but we're pretty sure that the MFA would like something and that Paul is going to be held until some sort of arrangement is made. We have no idea what that is so the resolution. That's why you're here. that happens a a couple hours ago. Today is September Twelfth Twenty nineteen and it's just about for ten. PM and you did the resolution little earlier today. How how did it go. What did the resolution actually say. And what's the intent okay. The intent is really take to get Paul released so it does list the resolution is a document that states what the circumstances are that how Paul is in this position he went to Moscow etcetera etcetera that he that there are no particular there's no evidence against him that he's got medical issues that need to be treated etcetera etcetera sort of a listing of of the problems and what has happened so far and then at the end calls for his release so my I was. I was very pleased at how things went the smart thing we did a press conference and the main players behind the resolution were there and each set of peace and definitely pulse release is what we all want. This is also a bipartisan effort. There is no doubt and when I go to talk to people in Congress there's no division. Oh Gosh well. Is he a Republican or Democrat. You know we're only only going to help one way or the other. There's none of that. He's an American citizen. He's in a very problematic and very delicate situation. This is a geopolitical a political problem and they want to help out so everybody who was there today who had something to say was very unified in this you know an American strobe trump in trouble we need the support we need co sponsors for this resolution to make it even stronger and this is a message to the MFA that we would like to have Paul release. You must be frustrated because as you said this has been nine months and brother's not doing well physically and and talking to David you know he's Paul has mentioned concerns about at least one of the jailers or the guards. It's looking itching spoiling for fight. suggesting you know that there is some concern about his safety. have you been able able to communicate that to the highest levels here to the White House State Department. Have you been able to communicate that. Do you feel as though that they are hearing you yes I definitely do. I think that at this point people are pretty well versed in about out what the scenario is with Paul at the at the highest levels. It's sort of interesting I mean government is very large when you talk about government that covers thousands of people so what is important and this is what I ended up tracking is is the information getting to the right places and so far I have been assured by for example the embassy in Moscow and other people in the State Department that it the information definitely is getting to the right places so not everyone in government knows every detail about Paul L. Situation but I do think that they understand that we're in a very yeah his his security his safety is definitely being threatened and I mean Paul's a strong guy. He's had military and law enforcement experience. He's a global security director so he actually tells managers how to deal deal with you know how to not be kidnapped and this that and the other within his his own corporation he's had some training and he's a strong pretty stubborn guy but anybody body in this situation after nine months and particularly when you have a medical situation there would have been no big deal back here in you know in Detroit. He would have gotten any any medical situation taken care of in January when he came home now. It's nine months later. He spent all this time in this prison where people are not inclined to look after him. that is not what they do in. Lefortovo yes so I guess the question I want to really get to hear Elizabeth. Is that all of what you've said about. The People here in Washington is understood. They know what's going on with Paul and his situation not to be an instigator but my the thing that I wonder about a lot is if that's the case then why haven't they moved. Why haven't they done something and I'm wondering if you have gotten any understanding from any anybody in either at the White House or the State Department as to why they haven't moved his designation you know he's he's not a hostage. He's a you know he was. He's he's been arrested. He's a prisoner but you know the circumstances are sketchy at best so I'm just wondering why haven't they moved. Is there something legally best pro pro prohibiting them from moving. Oh I don't think so I think this is a very difficult foreign policy sort of area difficult difficult we'll start from the beginning so they can't call him a hostage because that's going to cause an awful lot of political trouble supposedly. Russia Russia has a judicial system that we are supposed to be respecting. We're trying to get back to bilateral relations. It would be very nice. I think if Russia would release poll that would very good start for some better bilateral relations I believe that it's very likely talks have been going going on in the background in terms of Paul being mentioned people saying hey. This isn't really great. We would really like to see something happen. as a family of of course we're not privy to what those talks are or what is discussed we do know that Lavrov who is sort of the equivalent of secretary of State Pompeo came came out midsummer with quite a laundry list of things that the MFA would like to have everything from people held Russians held here in the the US who've been held for wild who they would like to have returned for one reason or another or sanctions concessions various different other concepts concepts that they would like to have addressed it was a it was a long list so to balance that out you have. Paul who is not a spy doesn't have an awful lot of value. I think actually has less value than they thought when they grabbed him. I think they saw perhaps his job title of Global Security Director and thought woo yeah. We've got somebody here. and I think they were surprised about the four passports. I don't think they expected that four countries would end up being involved fault in this but they have Paul and really what is the United States to do are they to go in with a Swat team team and extract him. It's not as if he's being held in some how somewhere by some armed guards. This is a very different situation so I I believe that the government is finding itself having to balance a respect for Russia's Jewish process with also the definite feeling that Paul is not a spy and has been wrongfully detained and needs to come back. I believe there's I believe there are some very tricky talks that have to happen in order for Paul aw come back to the United States. Have they started the process of those talks you. You were saying a couple of moments ago that you think that they're says something going on in the background well. I guess I would say that I hope because the wheel and family can come down to Washington and canned You know we can advocate. We can talk to as many people we can info share. We can make sure everybody's up to date on what's going on with Paul and all of those those things but this is not a two way street the government does not have to go. Hey by the way this is what we're doing and we are having these talks in this that and the other but I do know that and of course it's been in the newspaper that there have been in many opportunities for the United States officials to interact with Russian officials there are many types of talks that go on throughout the year and I would be extremely extremely surprised to find out that in none of them was Paul whalen being addressed so this is why I say I am. I am imagining that some discussion. Russian has taken place but I can't tell you at all where we might be with any of that okay. What is the most difficult part for you as Paul whalen insister Gosh. What is the most difficult part of this entire situation for you? There are so many difficult parts. I don't even know where to start well being helpless you know I have. I don't have any power don't have. I don't have money. I don't have connections do not have any any celebrities on my phone that I can dial and ask for them to to weigh in. I do not have any way to contact the White House and just say hey you know do something about my brother likewise with Russia. I can't call up anyone in Russian. Say Do something over there. Help get my brother so there's this feeling of helplessness. I have to come and pitch my brother basically and his innate goodness which I believe in to every individual and then get had enough believers to go okay. We'll check these facts ourself ourselves behind the scenes in the ways that we can and and that's what's happened. They've come back and said yeah you know. I think Paul is a spy. We think everything that you have been saying is correct. We're happy to stand up for him. We're happy to write this resolution. We're happy to call for co-sponsors but then takes a long time so we're nine months into this thing and I have had some very very frustrating moments along the way and there are those people who who will try to push you off and not want. They don't want to engage they. Oh I've got enough things to deal with. Let Michigan Take Care of it that sort of thing and and it is difficult difficult when you're faced with that you know I come down from the little island I live on it. It's an expense for me to travel down here to to go and try to even get these meetings with these people only to have them dismiss me. That is really awful but then what will happen. That's happened to you but you know what has happened to kind of balance that out ooh to dismiss you. Oh I can't go into that. There's some things I'm not. GonNa talk about enough. Here's why because there was one fellow for example who caught on a very bad day and I mean he it was just ready for us to to leave compass yeah politician and and yet later I get an email going. Hey by the way you might WanNa do this that and the other you might want to contact check this person so evidently later in the day he had some sort of thoughts about this process of what you're actually up against not just assed from sort of the helpless nature of of of politicians you know considering the situation that you've laid now by brother but also the tempo and the climate here in Washington when it comes to politicians right now it's not good on any level and you know obviously you probably. Maybe caught that individual on that day but it's it's. It's it's it's sad that they would they would dismiss you that that way though it is and it's it is frustrating as a as a small person trying to take on you know I. I got to a point earlier in the summer where I felt. I was fighting adding the US government more than I was fighting the Russian government I was like okay. Something's got to give here and somehow something did. I'm not quite sure exactly what the turning point was but there was a turning point. I don't know whether people just I perhaps when Paul's medical situation got to the point where we had it all start paying a lot more attention to it. Something happened and people were. They couldn't dismiss it anymore. They had to engage more things had to have came real to them and ambassador. Huntsman had a lot to do with that because he's been in very involved. He's he's made sure that there have been briefing calls for members of Congress so that people can find out what the latest is. They don't just have to hear it from me because to begin with it was just Elizabeth wheel going around trying to tell people you know hey. This is what's going on. Somebody had corroborate all that information so I think I think those who's sorts of things are the frustrations I have to say though that even with the current political climate when I come out of an office I rarely they can remember. was I talking to a Republican or talking to a Democrat because they key in on once once I winsor listening keen on the fact this is an American citizen who is in trouble and needs our help and we need to let any partisan concepts go to the wayside we need to concentrate and trade on the fact that this could happen to any American back to the personal side of this you know and I and as I said to you brother David on numerous occasions. I'm really sorry sorry that you're in the situation as I said earlier in this discussion. I can't imagine being in it but you are in. It and I just wonder where. Where do you think this is actually going to go. You know I I have no idea because not only have I never been in this position before but many of the people who I'm talking to have not been in this position before for there have been other detainees and there are other detainees now in different countries around the world. Americans held for one reason or another and each one of these situations is very difficult a different as well as difficult so. I don't know what is going to happen next. What I want to have happen next. I want someone to call me in five five minutes time and say well we liens on a plane home and he's going to be in Novi today. I mean that is the only thing that I want is to hear that phone. Call happen trying to predict how the MFA in the Fsba are going to act or react. I'm not quite sure balls lawyer. You're has a rather long time line that I don't like whatsoever which is he says. Evidence is going to be presented over the next months now. Paul has been indicted that that should end by December the twenty ninth and a trial it will take place sometime next year so Paul could be facing another year of just sitting around for a trial trial. this is crazy. This is absolutely crazy at some point. I hope that just like the resolution is starting to raise voices. I hope a lot more is said to bring home. The point that Paul should not be on the Ford right now his health it was a few days ago that there was some discussion about him possibly needing surgery right there because of a medical condition what's let's has there been a determination on whether that's going to happen or this. This is actually a very good illustration of the problem we have so we haven't been able to talked. Poland person at all over all of the months. They won't allow him any phone calls. consular access has been very restricted so even when the consular staff goes into visit him. I am from the different countries every couple of weeks or whenever the MFA allows them short visit. They're only allowed to talk about certain subjects so this problem of Paul's us this medical problem has been getting worse and worse over time the US embassy in Moscow has been asking you know Can we get the medical records you say the Paul has been seen by a physician at the prison. We'd like to know what the results of that work. They have not been able to receive any medical reports reports of any sort so at the latest hearing at the end of August Paul was able to say to someone in the court. I need to be seen by emergency services. An ambulance Felix was called and we understand that the people who saw him said yes he needed surgery but that the judge Said No. You're not leaving to go and get surgery you know and dismissed the EMT's the scenario therefore is that we see that from the MFA side they are not inclined to give Paul any particular special treatment towards having his medical problems addressed at the same time. We're getting a lot of conflicting reports from Russia as to what actually is going on. We hear from one source so he might be going to a hospital from medical evaluation. We hear from another source. Oh he said this that and the other about whether he's going to have surgery or not but we have not been able to verify any of this information because we can't talk to Paul all we do know that when some of the consular staff went into see him most recently they said hey we understand. We've been hearing reports that you have agreed to. This sat in the other end. Paul said I don't know anything about this. I have I have not heard this information. I have not given this consent so we are really in the dark as as to what is going on with Paul. We're concerned that emerges emergency situation is going to happen and that there is not a plan in place within the prison to deal with with it That's when things that's when a regular normal. Surgical process really can win. Things can go bad so of course. The family is quite quite worried about that yeah. Is there anything that I haven't asked you about that. You think is important that you want to add today well. I suppose that when something like it's like this happens. There's a tendency to want to victim blame to a little bit a little bit saying. Oh Gosh why did he go to Russia in the first place or to feel feel helpless like I have not knowing what to do and therefore wanting to turn away but there are some things that people can do to help Paul and so I I would like to recommend that if if you have any empathy to our situation if you can see yourself one day perhaps a child of yours or a sibling of yours is suddenly in a terrible situation so bad that it requires the US government being involved and even they are not not finding it an easy easy to navigate one of those things would be call your representative or Senator and say you know what I don't know Paul whalen but boy. This situation sounds like something that needs to be addressed. Can you please cosponsor this resolution supporting his release. I think that would be a very important and helpful. move the next thing is we have a go fund me account campaign set up for Paul and what this is for this is GonNa you sound odd but they don't the the Russian prison doesn't even supply him with toilet paper. We have to provide everything his toiletries those kinds of necessities he doesn't even get proper fresh food the embassy the American citizen services personnel of the Embassy of actually been shopping for him and deliver him food. Every month said that he has fresh food to eat that I mean the prison does provide some food but not vegetables fruit that sort of thing so we've started this. Go Fund Me Account Account anyone who wants to contribute any small amount we send the money over to the embassy every month they they monitored that they they make sure Paul gets these items and lastly on that same go fund me site is an address to which you can write to Paul via the embassy in in prison because even though the prison officials are not giving him all his mail quite a number of the letters that have gone over have been received and he has been able to write back took people here in the United States now these letters take a couple of months going one way through the translator in sensors and then back again but it is something important wouldn't it helps his morale to receive mail from random people across America and then also to be able to write back to them. It's something for him to do. He is kept in Nisa. prison cell twenty three hours a day he has been restricted from having very many books in English. He doesn't have anyone in England to talk to in English his lawyer cannot speak English goes on and on so you can imagine the feeling of isolation receiving something in the mail from from somebody written in English talking about something going on in America whatever it is something random is just a bit of a way for him to escape for a few minutes so I would encourage anyone who would like to write to Paul. We would really love that Andy. Embassy loves going into the prison with a pile of letters. That's really great so how they do. We write these letters and who do we. How do we address them. Okay they send a regular of first class stamp to the following address. poll wieland care of American Citizens Services Unit Consular Section five four four three zero Moscow Place Department of State Washington. DC and the ZIP is two zero zero five two one five four three zero so that letter just goes to DC and then they get sent over in bundles into the embassy in Moscow and the embassy will deliver them to the prison to give to Paul Elizabeth. Thank you for coming by and thank you for sharing your story with us. This is a very serious situation. as you know and we've been hearing about it but nothing beats hearing from it and as as close to firsthand is as you can and you have painted a very clear picture of what's at stake here so thank you for coming by with thank you very much for having being me here today it. It is awkward for me. I'm not used to talking to people in public the way that I've had to the last nine months. I'm an artist. I like to be behind the easel in in the woods on the little island. I live on so so coming down here and talking about this. All I can say is that we have our brothers back. Our family does the our our friends his the state of Michigan and we hope that I can say the same thing for the United States is a whole I really appreciate the chance to talk about about Paul and hopefully that will be able to have him on your show sometime to just one. I look forward to that day and hope it soon. Yes yes thank you thank you. That's Elizabeth Whelan the sister of Paul whalen in a Russian prison for ten months now on charges of espionage. Josh something the Russians have not presented any evidence of we'll be back to that story but in the meantime stay tune for something very special so the next few weeks an explosion of spies three or four million number worked for China unprecedented Russian activity to collapse EXC ept denied states more than one hundred countries working here including big problem American agents abroad. I looked up and saw guy looking at me with binoculars. 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Target USA -- Episode 153: The FBI and the impact of the government shutdown
"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA a few weeks ago. We started telling you the story of the Washington field office of the FBI at the I personnel. Extremely motivated to defeat mitigate the threats called caused by our foreign adversaries. We sat down with assistant director in charge. Nancy mcnamara. We were interrupted at the time by the arrest of American Paul Whalen in Russia on spy charges. I promised we would get back to the interview and finish it. And that's what we're going to do on this program. Unfortunately, there's been a sinister twist to the story the government shutdown as we conclude our story on the Washington field office of the FBI. We picked the story up with the FBI agents association. No one has received a paycheck for the last thirty days. Tom o'connor? It's president tells us about the devastating impact of the shutdown on national security in general, and specifically the FBI criminal counterterrorism counterintelligence cyber every single area of FBI investigation and work has been impacted coming up on this edition of target USA the national security broadcast. From WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to see an attack cyber criminals successful. America as a target on its back and on this program. We investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA be national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green. Previously on target USA episode. One fifty the Washington field office of the F B I is the second largest in the country approximately seventeen hundred people work there. This particular field office is responsible for the geographic area. That encompasses the district of Columbia and northern Virginia. It's also responsible for investigating violations of US law and violence against US citizens in the far east and the Middle East while to some internationally generated threats are normally perceived to be far more dangerous than those that originate here in the Washington area. Recent activity suggest the US has enemies or adversaries as some would prefer to call them like Russia and China or altering that script in in my opinion. I believe the FBI feels strongly that it's not that Russia. In China have been raising the bar. They raised the bar several years ago we are already behind the curve so to speak both have very strong presence in the United States. Both have different types of operations and genders. Nancy mcnamara. Assistant director in charge of the FBI Washington field office sat down for an extensive exclusive interview, the lion's share was about Russia and China, but there's much much more to talk about and on this program. We continue looking at what keeps her up at night, and drives the FBI ES. So as I mentioned any act of terrorism violence against the district of Columbia air and or northern Virginia. But in addition, there's a significant of violent crime threat in the DC area, as you know, shootings. Up considerably this year, and we are working very closely with our local partners and impede e to use federal charging statutes where we can to ensure maximum Carso time for gang members and other violent offenders if we can keep them behind bars for longer periods of time, we can hopefully make DC safer. The next issue of courses offend all in opioid drugs. Greater problem in northern Virginia more so than the district right now. Again, there's a little bit of China influence on the opioid federal problem in we're have expanded our task forces are our healthcare fraud in our gang and drug task forces who are working closely together in specifically eastern district of Virginia. The US attorney is added additional prosecutors to the team there to help process in. Indict as many cases as possible. Terrorism several years ago Joshua school who was a special agent in charge of intelligence here at WF. Oh, just before he left to go to headquarters mentioned to me that not a day goes by that the threat stream is from from from ISIS, Al Qaeda, those terror terror groups, not a day goes by that some information doesn't come up that includes the district of Columbia as an intended target or an a target. They would like to engage. How does that go? Now, is it the same has it changed as it? Lessen what's your observation? Now that threat has not changed this region as the national capital region is under constant threat. Whether it is from now international terrorism groups or domestic terrorism groups are those who. Wish to prohibit and or of eliminate people do to their civil rights that is a continuing threat for the Nash Cupper region. Fortunately, we have outstanding partners who we work very closely with MP park. Police capital police secret service in the list goes on and our personnel are on twenty four seven in the FBI. We assign our strongest investigators to running down the leads that come in through the what we refer to as the guardian system. We have over one hundred task force officers who are partners in work with us on a daily basis, and whose job it is is to do just that to make sure the national capital region is safe from those threats her reorder flipped as your changed of the threat. I know. We in the national capital region in the last couple of years has have seen an increase in the number of domestic threats, at least openly open source public domestic threats, we've seen protests this this that and the other have a overtaken the threat from international terror. National terrorism threat is still there, and I don't want to minimize that. But in my opinion. Yes, in recent years, domestic terrorism threat has been gaining ground on the international terrorism threat, some of those domestic operators are influenced by our foreign adversaries, but the use of social media the development of the internet has allowed and facilitated many of those subjects who wish to do harm as giving them the opportunity to expand their reaches and that has become a more prominent in recent years. Differently. Do you handle the the? I suppose you do you handle the the search for information the the approach to dealing with? I mean, these organizations are here in the US and international terror groups are abroad by definition, but they may have operatives or sympathizers here. So do you handle the domestic threat differently? We do handle diff- differently due to our federal laws, which are meant to protect us. All citizens. We are frequently. Restraint from taking certain courses of action. We, of course, want to uphold the constitution, and we have to be mindful that there's freedom of speech. And whether we like the message or not does not mean that somebody can't go online or speak out and speak about something that we feel is inappropriate or or wrong. It's bouncing that. Freedom of speech with crossing the line of hurting someone or. Affecting someone else's civil rights that is where we come in to action. So it's I believe much harder in that vein. Also because they're US citizens in the United States. They have a greater protections. Afforded them that we have to be mindful of in pursuing an investigating those subjects what keeps you up at my. Well, there are two things that keep me up at night. The first is an act of violence occurring in the Washington area of responsibility for wfaa, which is the district of Columbia and northern Virginia that encompasses Fairfax, Loudon Prince, William and fuck your counties and by X violence. I mean, any active islands against the American public perpetrated by someone to -ffiliated with international terrorism domestic terrorism or frankly, alone wolf or someone who might have some mental health. Issues. The second issue that keeps me up at night is the safety and concern of our FBI employees FBI agents in particular have a very difficult job in end are often placed in dangerous situations, and I try to ensure that everyone goes home at the end of the day. And that's critical for us. I do not want to lose an FBI life. If possible in the course of protecting upholding our mission. Experienced that in anywhere you've worked throughout your career. I have not as an executive had that instance, occur. Although as head of the inspection division in my previous job. I had responsibility for the teams investigate all shootings both intentional shootings in accidents shootings and have seen the fortune effects of of what happens when we do lose in agent, her dessert impact, your people. And then of course, obviously, your your work. It has obviously very difficult and. Hard impact on our personnel is bowl as our law enforcement and community partners. And I don't want to exclude the the families of those victims. It's something that we live with every day. I think most agents would tell you that they try not to think about that part of the job, but all took in oath to uphold and defend the constitution with their lives and all agents are prepared to to do that. And we work very hard in our planning and preparation for our rests to ensure that we take all the. Maximize all the safety precautions we can so that we execute the arrest with little or minimal loss to life. Opportunity not too long ago to attend an event that honored FBI personnel who lost their lives or have passed away for one reason or another, and I was able to observe the children of those people and just the same in the same Bain. I've had the opportunity as well to learn and engage with folks from the special operations community and the CIA community who've lost agents or officers, and again, it's the family that you mentioned in the children that are left behind is there any special message for these children or for those people who've lost folks from from your community that you would like for them to know or to hear from you. Yes. Of course, the first message for any child who's lost a parent or significant family member in the course of a law enforcement action. Is that that we will never forget you. And we will never forget what your family member did for our country the law enforcement community, whether it's federal agencies state or local all do an outstanding job of ensuring that the families of lost. Martyrs law enforcement martyrs are taking care of that tuition and other expenses are paid as they grow. And I think a great example of the impact that that has these children often go into law enforcement is Ben Miller who is a FBI agent and his father Mike Miller was killed in the line of duty here in Washington DC at MP headquarters, along with another FBI agent in the fact that Ben chose to pursue the same careers. As father is an example of the commitment and their desire to serve their country. What's your biggest challenge? My biggest challenge is making sure that the personnel that w Phobos agent analysts support have the resources. And support they need to do their jobs. I hope so. How long have you been here? Now, I've been here. Proximate -ly eight months how much of what you want to accomplish have you gotten done, and what's on your gender fear this job, and what I'd like to accomplish is really a never ending list. In addition to to resources. At my level, you need to consider facilities and other behind the scenes issues that the public doesn't see this is a building. And this is a a business like any other other business. Our main concern is in recruitment. We are continually looking to hire outstanding personnel want to serve their country as agents as analysts in at as professional support and filling and staffing vacancies is a constant challenge for us. Is you heard McNamara her biggest challenge is making sure that all of the people that work at W F O have the resources that they need to do their jobs. A part of those resources is a paycheck. They're not getting it. And nobody in the FBI is getting a paycheck because of the shutdown, and when we come back, we're going to hear the unvarnished truth about how that is impacting the FBI's investigations, and the people that work there when we come back on target USA the national security podcast. Imagine the home you've always known sinking into oblivion save our community our way of life Virginia island population. Four hundred sixty is being swallowed by the Chesapeake Bay the first full fledged town that's probably going to get lost sea level rise in America can disaster be stopped. Should it? Be shell the Lord destroy Tien Gier going under the story of Tange ear island available on podcast one. I tunes and at going under podcast dot com. This is target. USA Mon episode one forty the Kremlin secret squad killer March first two thousand seven it was a rainy cold night in a Delphi. Maryland poll Joyal was returning home. After meeting with a friend at Zola, the swanky restaurant attached to the spy museum in downtown Washington. After pulling into his driveway about seven thirty that evening and stepping out of his car. There were two men waiting for me in the bushes. He was attacked from behind. I struggled with the first men saying joy out a former federal law enforcement officer took his attacker to the ground the assailant call down to his accomplice for help saying something joy out will never forget. He said shoot him one shot from a nine millimeter pistol rang out. Piercing his colon and bladder. But lights outside his house flew on his dog started to bark panicked, the assailants tried to end the encounter and joy AL's life. Then they came in to shoot me again in the head and the gun jammed. This has been a target USA moment. Episode one forty download relive it. JJ green? And this is target USA. This episode was designed to be the comission of a two part interview with Nancy McNamara. Assistant director in charge of the Washington field office of the FBI. Instead what it's turned out to be is the conclusion of an interview about the work, the F B I has to do and the beginning of our conversation about how the federal government shutdown has essentially impacted u s national security and specifically the FBI. So as we begin this part of the conversation, we do so with Tom O'Connor, president of the FBI agents association and grim story of how the shutdown has impacted US national security and the work the FBI is doing and the people doing it. The FBI agent. Association has produced a report called voices from the field and O'Connor broke down for us. What that report says? This report is is titled voices from the field. And it is just that it is voices from agents across the United States and explaining how the government shutdown has affected affected their operations and their personal lives as well as the lives of thousands of professional support employees that work for the FBI and and keep this machine. Running one team one fight and everyone at the FBI is affected by the lack of funding and the lack of paychecks for the past thirty days four that's four weeks. And and that's a long time. Okay. So can you put a specific number on the people that have been impacted everyone in the FBI has not received a paycheck that is agents. No one has received a paycheck for the last thirty days. We are continuing to work. We're continuing to make. Cases. We have thousands of cases across the country that agents and support employees continued to work, but without funding to the FBI itself. There are a finite amount of money that can be used for these investigations for informant payments for all sorts of things that we have to use money to Ford are Esa Gatien's that amount of money is drying up when it comes to equipment, especially as far as C T or counter terrorism. And all that goes, how's that going to impact you? But it it goes across the board that as the FBI uses the budget money that it has and has had since the shutdown started on December twenty first that money that amount of money is used to Ford investigations in criminal counterterrorism, counterintelligence cyber and our job as FBI agents investigating crimes and. In other terrorism is expensive, and as we utilize that money, it's not being replaced. So there FBI headquarters is working very hard to make sure that money goes where it's most needed. But that money is is drying up and cases are being affected and operationally. We're not able to do what we could do back on December twenty. I it's it's it's common sense that as you run out of funds, you have to only utilize them in in certain cases, and other cases are going to be harmed by that every case whatever the case in the FBI is important, if you're a victim or someone who's involved in that case that case is important to you. What about preparation weapons and training and amunition that kind of thing all of these things training has been has been cut back quite a bit. And they're trying to get the the life and safety training to continue, but any additional training count counterterrorism training for state and local officers. I personally had a class that I've run for eighteen years here in the Washington DC area, and because of the shutdown. I had four hundred agents that were four hundred local and state police officers were signed up for this class and it had to be postponed. When when the government reopens will address having a classic. But until then we're not able to do it. So that's just one impact in one place that you can take this and put it across the United States. How is this going to impact vulnerable populations voter will populations are where a lot of crimes occur. So we wanna be part of that community. So that we can work with our task force par. Owners and in influence the criminal element within those populations. And we want to try and catch the bad guy. So the good people can go on and live their life money needs to be spent for task forces to purchase narcotics to put cases together to purchase guns and get them off the street and put cases together to to indict people for those crimes of drugs in guns. We don't have the money to do that that has been cut back. And is is not what it was undescended twenty first. Intelligence is a huge problem right now, especially as far as Russia and Doron and other countries go so where does counterintelligence rank right now as far as concern counterintelligence is important is criminal or counterterrorism in all of the program is operated by the FBI are being affected by the shutdown in the lack of money in those programs. It's one pot of money for one organization, we spend that money to Ford our investigative efforts in that can be criminal investigations that can be counter-terrorism investigations, and it can be counter intelligence counterintelligence investigations in. If there was money that is no longer there. Clearly, those investigations are going to be hampered slowed down. And we're not going to be able to do what we do want a normal basis when the government is funding, the FBI, and you also have to remember JJ that FBI agents and professional support employees have been working doing their jobs. Protecting the public and doing it for free for thirty days. That's four weeks. That's now over a month. When you put it that way. It's just very stunning. Are there's some things I haven't asked you about that. You think are important that you that you wanna talk about the government should be fully funded the FBI and all of our programs should be funded. No victim. No case should go unfunded. So that those victims and officers and agents that are working can't do that job to their fullest the agents on the street want to do their job to the fullest, the people at headquarters want us to do those that job to the fullest. We should be allowed to do that job to the fullest. It is a matter of national security that the F B I is not funded fully, and it is a matter of Brighton wrong that you have people working for a month putting their lives on the line for free. And we know this is. Having an effect on people personally. Are there any personal stories that you would like to and can share? I can I can read one of the voices from the field when it comes to that. If you would like, yes, please do. Okay. This is from an agent in the western United States and these are agents who wrote into us with their personal stories and stories of how the FBI not being funded is hurting operations. But the ones that really hurt are the personal stories, and I'll read one to you. This is a quote from an agent in western United States. I've been an agent for nearly twenty four years and for the last eleven years my wife of twenty eight years. Has battled terminal cancer? And for the first time in my career. We have had to ask for assistance from friends and family to make ends meet. I am proud to be an agent proud to serve my country and willing to sacrifice my life in defense of the people in the constitution. But the have my family place in financial situation. We are currently facing due to partisan politics is disgusting to me as a government employee in a citizen and quote. Any final thoughts from you. Tom O'Connor, president of the FBI agents association. It is the right thing to do to fund the FBI. So that we can do our jobs to the fullest fullest extent. It is the right thing to do to pay people who are doing that job for free. It is unconscionable that this is going on for over thirty days unconscionable. And there you have it. Tom O'Connor, president of the FBI agents association with a stark and pretty scary. Look at how this government shutdown is impacted US national security, at least the part that he was talking about. And as all of you know, that listen to this program. This is not a political program. Sometimes we have politicians on to talk about national security, and sometimes we talk about national security, and how it impacts politics, but we don't take sides on this program the bottom line with what I'm trying to say here is US national security is in a really difficult spot right now three more Adams on the program to story updates and a look at a special intelligence program. I the story of Paul Wheeler. He's the American that was arrested in Moscow several weeks ago. The Russian government says it was because he can. Admitted espionage. He was given a film drive in a hotel in Moscow. Russia says that that thumb drive contained classified information, the family appall Wieland says they still have not learned what kind of information was on it or who gave it to him and we've been digging as well and have not found out. There's also been some serious complications in terms of Paul's representation in Moscow and this week. We got an update from David Whelan Paul's brother in a note, and he said the following things. I'm going to read them to you. He said Paul's family is disappointed that his detention a Russian jail will continue. But we were not surprised by the court denying bail. While we still lack any details from the Russian government about why Paul is thought to be spy, and who provided him with the alleged state secrets we are certain that he was entrapped and is not guilty of espionage. We have. I've not had any information about a USB drive. What was on it or how it might have materialized in Paul's possession. Unfortunately, David says in the note, today's ruling merely confirms that Paul will remain wrongfully detained for many, more months. We're attempting to support his legal defence with a gofundme campaign. He also said hall was able to let us know that he's worried about some health conditions and his ability to communicate with prison medical staff. He's also concerned about translators support and his ability to present his defense in English. The Russian government has also continued to frustrate efforts by the UK to meet with Paul and their cancellation of the US consular visit last week. According to the note, raise a digital concerns. The note says it is clear that only government action will return Paul to his family anytime soon, we know that the. Slur efforts of the US, Canada and Ireland and UK will keep us aware of pulse. Health and ensure his rights respected, but we hope additional steps are taken to bring him home. That's a very sobering note from Paul Huilan's family and the second story on February second unless there is an about face by Russia the US Russia. I n f treaty is going to expire that treaty essentially calls for all medium range nuclear capable missiles to be destroyed. Interestingly enough Russia ruled out yet another missile today. January twenty third claiming that it's in compliance, and the missile proves it. The US has said that demonstration proves nothing. We spoke with State Department under secretary for arms control, and international security. Andrea Thompson about where this leaves the US. Shown the data. We have provided the list of the steps that need to be taken to get into full and verifiable clients that is the destruction of the missile bench destruction of the launcher we provided it to them. Previous years. We provided it to them again yesterday. And his I reminded the deputy foreign minister, you built the system, you know, exactly what needs to be done to destroy to get into getting into compliance. But we provided them with that information. They said they take it back process -ment, but based on past actions or lack thereof I don't into them get back into compliance. We'll continue to abide by obligations. We'll continue to abide by the treaty. You know, have to say Madam secretary that this seems like an exercise in futility, and do you and your teams see see it that way considering Russia's attitude towards this? Or is there is there is there a possibility that something would move them? And what would that something be? Never futility when it comes to the US national security, I'll continue to press. My counterparts administration will continue to press secretary pawn pay on the team will continue to engage again, the the action needs to be on the Russian side. But we we'd never take our national security lightly in the we'll continue to press Russia on this until they get back into compliance, and candidly, if they don't the secretary's been clear as you said, a December fourth we call them in material breach. They have sixty days on February second if they're no long if they're not in compliance. We'll suspend our obligations will will move forward and the development of our systems to continue to to protect ourselves our allies. So we'll be back in a nuclear arms race then. Well, you know, as I tell folks there's not a nuclear arms arms race when when Russia's been violated the treaty for years. So they've been off to the races for years now while we continue to abide by the treaty. So we'll continue to to work the the. With our partners and allies will continue to stay United in that continue not only in messaging, but in actions and ensure that the security and safety the American people are always always party number one. Andrea Thompson under secretary for arms control, and international security. We spoke with her on January sixteenth. The US says it will wait until the second February for Russia to come in line with the treaty. If not the US is going to look out for its own best interest, one final note for this episode on January seventeenth I had the extraordinary opportunity to be invited to and to attend an event at the Defense Intelligence Agency. It was called the heart of mentoring, people passion and purpose. I was able to speak to the audience listen to the audience and reconfirm something I've heard many times and seen numerous times with my own is an indisputable fact to me, and that is that when it comes to mentoring nobody in the intelligence community. Does it better the program? The participants. The leadership and the objective were all quite clear, and all very well laid out that they are dedicated to mentoring because without it. They can't achieve their mission. So hats off to DIA. Thank you for the opportunity to spend time with you. And allowing us into your ear coming up on our next episode whether its terrorists anarchist, cybercriminals nation, nation-states, espionage and everything in between. You can bet we'll be on it right here on target USA. If you have any questions or comments about the program brought me a line at J green at W T O, P dot com. That's the letter j the color green one word at whiskey Tango. Oscar Papa dot com. That's J green at WTO p dot com. Also, follow our podcast at t- USA podcast. That's tango. Uniform Sierra alpha podcast. Till the next episode. Take care. I'm Jay Jay green. And this his target USA national security podcast now, stay tuned for the latest headlines from the Associated Press.
The Future of Virtual Reality for Education and Training (With David Whelan) Ep #35.
"Automated Todd cast. So, welcome to another episode of the Automated Podcast as always I'm your host mark for bank off? So, if you're by any chance new to the PODCAST, I've mentioned in a number of previous episodes. How genuinely impressed I've been with the virtual reality technology as I've been trying on different headsets and eventually buying my own over this past year, so I've really been lucky enough to go to conferences, play games, and even visit art exhibitions in virtual reality, and really saw I think the potential for this technology during the quarantine here in Spain to be both a tool for improved remote connection as well as interaction. So today, I'm really happy to have David Wheelin on the podcast to discuss the work in Vr that his company is undertaking as well as the current and future use of this really exciting technology. So, David, if you don't know, is a tech entrepreneur and founder of V, our education P. L. C. and the team behind the engage platform, so he's a former editor in chief of virtual reality, reviewer and a multi award winning Vr, director and producer with ten plus years web development background in APP creation and programming large crm systems. He's also the winner of the Time Warner Award and nominated at the. The Venice Film Festival as best director for his work with the BBC on Nineteen forty-three Berlin blitz VR experience so part from the interesting work that he talks about on the engaged platform I really found David to be a wealth of information on VR in general and hope that this discussion motivates you at the very least to go out and try your for the first time if you haven't done so. Great. Will David thank you very much for coming onto the automated podcast. No problem marks Great. Great. So one of the first things that I do with a couple of the other guests here is Ask you a little bit about your initial introduction to virtual reality or the technology that you're dealing with I'm personally a big fan of virtual reality. So for me. It's really great to have you on to the podcast today, but maybe could just give a couple of sentences as to how you became interested in the technology in the first place. Yeah, sure so always been quite a large tech enthusiast am ever since I was growing up watching episodes of Star Trek and obviously the holiday Coppola's first introduction to a concept of Archer reality on. For many years, a web developer web designer and I never had access to technology back nineties. It was quite expensive to get VR headset. The first humor headsets they were still many hundreds of dollars, which I couldn't afford back then whoever I was browsing a website called kickstarter about six seven years ago, and I came across the original Oculus head, says kickstarter campaign. On radio treat me and it was actually something that looks very very affordable Projects got the the OCULUS wrist at Decatur Development case that was reading my followed auction in the soon as I put on the headset. I was a pretty much. A since I turn around my wife. DOT stations is really want to. Go In my life are to have at least some kind of. Some kind of business are some kind of connection with VR. Community in US however the stars. Awesome I think that that's a very similar experience, too many people like myself. Personally I put on my first kind of modern headset, only one to two years ago, and those was kind of an instant connection with HOW AMAZING TECHNOLOGY! So I can I can only imagine what would have been like even four or five six years ago. Yeah it was it was already crazy experience. I'm so one of the very first experiences. Try on the decay. One was A. Program called Titans of space where he could explore the solar system on again a really fat like in Star Trek or as flying past the planet sons. I remember playing a horror game Scare me I am where I. Really Fast I was winning the application and this was something even as growing old paint video games now I was inside a video game on I could really see it being transformed if too many areas, not just gaming bus education business as well. Terrific yeah, okay I I think that kind of sets the initial stage for this conversation that I wanted to have one of the other things that may be a little bit interesting for the audience. Here is the size or the scope of the VR industry so before the discussion I looked into a couple of the statistics here and the number of VR headsets that have been shipped a worldwide at least until two, thousand, seventeen, or in two thousand seventeen. There was a three point five million. Million headsets that were shipped two, thousand, eighteen, the four point, five and two, thousand and nineteen, the six million, so it's clearly growing rapidly and one last thing here there's a consultancy called light insights, and they estimated that the total market forecast for VR is going to be thirty four point five billion by twenty, twenty three, so with that in mind, one of the things that I wanted to ask you here was. What do you see as the challenges for the growth of the VR industry? So a lot of barriers have really been taking care of over especially the past five months now growth was initially quite slow in the beginning, because even though VR headsets, a more becoming affordable at four or five hundred dollars is still need is a very powerful to to get a good VR experience, so you're looking summer in regional eighteen hundred dollars to get the PC or laptop on the headset, and also there was quite a lot of choice at there as well so you could spend a thousand dollars on a P. C. on its did not be lot of confusion in the consumer markets. Markets are generally entombs by using the are still needed some kind of technical expertise to purchase the right equipment. Far You now what's happened over the past five months? especially is a standalone VR devices like the office quest undivided focused plus of which have really made it very easy for consumers to pick up a product so for four or five hundred dollars. You can get a really good VR experience. You can put it on your head and get straight into the games very much like a video games console like playstation or an xbox dot makes it very very easy for consumers to pick. 'EM VR experiences Rehouse being a barrier on A, double-edged sword is waste at the COVID. Nineteen. Break what we've seen as we've seen huge demand for a VR devices in homes where people who may have been a locked in homes, or maybe two treatments are seeking scape. I'm one of those ways you can get an escape. Travel anywhere is putting on a VR headset on exploring the ditches wars, however, because of covid nineteen, many of the manufacturing plans in China were shut down, so supply was actually an less and less and. And yet the man was more and more so getting your hands on be our heads sweetie, being like goads, oculus, and hasty ab making the headsets as quickly as there have been so loud. always started just over actually starting to come out the other side about their manufacturer. Radi ramping up open I know at facebook A new hats add some other vices. Coming on the market is was so that the Marcus at having steady up to the end of twenty nineteen is really now starting to grow exponentially. Yep Yeah. I couldn't agree further with you. I was actually one of those people that was lucky enough to get an oculus quest before the lockdown here in Barcelona and I can tell you personally that I used the quest almost daily for Conferences for the escapism that you were that you were looting to a very useful I also think that, maybe as we move or potentially move into the second wave where there's a new round of lockdowns Maybe the manufacturing of these different headsets will be ready for a the greater uptake of this technology by the by the masses us at were. Certainly is an does more players coming into the market as well so waste, the rollout of five G. Globally a lot of telecommunications company purchased big big licenses that costs billions of dollars to offset by both want they're finding is that consumers really have no need for five g service are pretty happy with four G. wording streams video. They can check emails. Whereas if you have five g connection on Vr headset, you can rendering very quickly high-quality assets, and you can actually rendering off the headset itself, so you make the headsets and lighter cheaper on the batteries can last longer as wide so they reading and. Bates vital VR headsets to succeed so that they can actually vote out or five G. payments over start seeing telecoms companies releasing earl brandon headsets very very soon and actually does quite a lot of rumors about apple, possibly releasing advice next year as ends as always would apple when they release it, a device and the world takes notice. They probably charged for your or times more than anybody else they'll say it's cool and people were really latch into it then we'll really start seeing. Seeing a very option technology, one of the things that may be leads from what you just said is specifically at your company immersive the our education. It's actually creating some showcase experiences as a engaging content and AH somebody who who owns an oculus quest. For instance, it's a little bit limited on the amount of content that it has for the users obviously coming out more day by day, but Maybe this is one of the barriers that that your company is actually dealing with. Yes, so the showcase material about behalf really we were trying to people excited about the education of possibilities off Vr far the general consumer are the general education system. Before say this. This wave of the came. To reality has been used in education over the last forty years, but it's been hugely expensive, so institutions like NASA us training institutes have been using the offer training for forty years that they would not use technology for length of claim if they didn't prove it hasn't had a beneficial effect to the educational outcomes than while Michael Me. We're trying to achieve is okay. Noda VR is affordable for the generals where heads was less than the price for ninety pounds. We really should be getting. People excited about using the technology for Education I. AM. Family at home, so we started creating showcase education experiences, because quite a lot of the applications amfar the original Where video, games and Zombie shooters rhythm game really to wasn't a lot of educational content out there. Some great fantastic ops are watson stuff that had broad appeal you might seen some educational obstacles focused on. Say One one area of mathematics inmates. Of focused on the. Whereas what we created was historical, whereas Apollo Eleven, which we would have brought of for people that just had an interest in technology, but also in interest in education, so we could really broaden the appeal of VR devices for education, and that was a huge success than we followed. That wears titanic, and then we follow that Oh began with work with BBC on experience, the showcase experience radio were just to show people. The door to show people lash. Dr Is a very useful tool. In Educational Circles Radi, the the main focus of our group has been the engaged for to reality form where any educator carpet trainer go in embiid own virtual reality experiences using the tools that we have a then provide them to not only. Is engaged with very very useful tool for creating content it pretty much as a virtual reality university under a very famous book, 'cause ready player will never know. Was a movie made about ready traveling by CBS's Bloomberg, but if you actually get folk, the first thirty percent of that oak is all about the education system of the future. We've pretty much built that education system would engage on nail we're. We're actually starting to see very wide adoption of top form where we have universities in America years. We've outside university using it as well. It's been used for medical training. We have the US. Air Force Academy in their teaching cadets, so it's really really started to really blossomed especially in this coleman ninety more where everybody's been forced online under all seeking better ways of communication are I. Think VR is. The Best Platform for communication where Garvey today when people say, let's talk online on this happened online class we with Ron Abilities are having his own called our skype caller where everybody's in the window under the real big disconnect. Where if you have thirty people on a call half, those people are going to themselves or turn off the camera. They're not really attentive to not. Not really engaged with what's going on. Whereas in virtual reality, astrum where everybody's wearing VR headsets, even though your home, your avatar moves very same reward. If you fall asleep at class, your avatar falls table. You're talking to somebody you have person. You really feel like you're in the room with them. So that's something that is medium can do better, ninety or medium. Yup, yeah. I couldn't agree further I think this is also something that has really been brought to the forefront of of I. Guess You could say the world through this covid pandemic, where as you said people are forced to have a the videoconferencing methods of communication rather than the immersive real world face to face. Interaction. I wanted to go. Maybe a little bit further with regards to the education aspects of the platform, so one of the kind of central ideas of this podcast is really looking at automations, really massive and large-scale IMPR- impact in eliminating low skill jobs and one of the things that this leads to is the necessity for re-skilling or a new term cult, continuous learning or continuous education You maybe alluded to a little bit, but maybe you could explain a little bit further to what extent you think that Vr will play. In this. New Paradigm, and how exactly does engage fit into that? Yes a winning gauge what we're trying to achieve really is to open up good education to everybody globally at a fraction the cost, so I'm very lucky. Dash I live in Ireland, my education system by largest free. If I want to go to university, if I get the grades I can go to university on. The government will pick up the TAB. Whereas if I was in the UK or especially America, if I wanted a good for your education I wanted the top universities. You're looking attitude to three hundred thousand dollars student at at the minimum now really what does is really middle income and lower income families from providing arcades with a quality education on a huge or put on anybody. It beliefs that they are people out there. In the world today, kids who are every bit as brainy as i-in Stein however flipping Burgers Burger King because they've never not the opportunity, so with a platform like engage or trying to do is. You can stay at home, but you can attend maybe virtual emily tea in the morning for physics a Dan. You can go to virtual university in the afternoon or English literature. You can pick and choose. Your education tailored to your needs from the best educators in the world lead fraction of the cost like one of the big big costs for anybody going to. To University anywhere in the world is the fact that they have to travel to University of. It's not our home stage, and they have to live in. Say a different city. They have to pay for an apartments and quite often what the students have to do is they have to work a job? Our time normally late at night at bars and restaurants and. It's a big. Ask to ask any students to work. Say six or seven hour shift in a at nighttime then get up at eight o'clock in the morning idea flooding university. Our peak performance that just emptied also mortgage. It's a lot better if you can stay at home and stay get that grade education now. Really what we're after here is that online education with Mook platforms massive open online courses some such Yes. They say that we have full online education and they didn't fairness contents, but it's all video based on very few people finish. These online courses is let's invite people, and that's really the issue that we were trying to address with the engaged perform where if we can raised up our to say tree, invite people finishing courses than it is going to be a massive success. A nail is the time where these headsets are just enrolled. In in larger quantities or are actually released in the road, comments was here at the our education. Yeah that's fascinating I think that with the engaged platform it seems to be riding on the wave of a number of different trends. Some of them you just mentioned one of the others that touch on here on the podcast or the the types of jobs that are being. So, many of the jobs that as as you mentioned students have to. Do you know with missing working in bars? Things like that. There are a numerous examples out today where there are different automation systems like robots or or entire processes within restaurants that are actually automating those jobs so to me as I'm listening to what you're saying, it seems like the platform that your company is creating is really well situated to take advantage of the fact that many of these jobs that students typically use to support themselves. The engage platform enables the student to still remain at home and take advantage of education without having the problems of having to. Fund themselves as these jobs are slowly disappearing. Because I like jobs with with certainly evolve I. do believe that they will be fulltime jobs in virtual reality in the future is what I could certainly see times where you could get a full consultancy insight virtual reality where you're sitting in in consultancy rooms with say doctors in virtual reality. They're talking to you and give you advice or maybe A. Like to be a huge range of different jobs inside reality, as well as like, say creating. Say Crane for businesses I think shopping will be virtually on the is one where instead of going to a high straight and shopping for different close. You would be dealing that virtually in Birchwood shopping malls and sports the are as well we see Roy off a virtuous or globally especially in covid nineteen, where we had most of the formula drivers racing amateur races. Over the areas we've also seen obviously a lot of video game tournaments in VR up. Because the are, it can be very physically active I take. You would actually see athletes inside virtual tournaments aim in different types of sports are new types of sports. That's something that we haven't seen before so really. It's such a wide open field that many meetings can happen. is it's a table like anything it could be used for greatness in poor ways as widens. Really were at the heart of what this can do so if you had said to me maybe twenty years ago, that's. On my mobile phone I would be watching content on my mobile phone more than I'd be watching content on TV Arina cinema screen I would have said you're crazy, but that's what's happened. In that tale to the laws VR is like at the very early stage when the smartphone came out, forest does a lot of really cool demos out there. Really nobody knows where it is GonNa go, I feel. Education is one of those high growth areas education training communication are hugely hyped areas in this industry at as technology progresses I. Think these are the key earliest Arizona beat moment in the space or Yup Yup I this is this is something that I've seen in the research. That I've been doing as well for this for this podcast Maybe you could. Speak to engage a little bit more. Can you give maybe just a basic description of of how it works for somebody who has maybe never used Vr? and certainly used engaged just kind of draw a picture if you could. Yes so first of all it's it is a communications farm where you go into a classroom are virtual meeting room when you put on a a VR headsets on, you have hand controllers in your hands when you're into virtual real- does a virtual version of you when Avatar representation of you in the room, so you can walk around in your read war on your Avatar. Walk Walk around in the arts awards. You can shake hands with somebody inside the virtual room and he can be joined by up to seventy people from all over the world in the same room. You can draw on a white or judy knew powerpoint presentations are you can stream media on the video streams of having site? because. It is March reality. You can do some really strange things where you can bring treaty models, so you could bring in a treaty model of dinosaur or an aircraft engine, and he can interact with asked when you're inside the virtual space, because it is virtual space while even have classic Astrum, so if you want to teach a class about Myers played on up to the surface of Mars conceded. Rover moving on the surface and the great thing about engage is that it allows you to create content very very easily, and way you do that is there's a recording feature station according teacher? And when you click on record, it would record everything that you do and say inside the arch without farm, so you're really good competent presenter on your presenting something for maybe twenty minutes half are engaged record A. Say, also Carter Movement, and any objects that you into the environment's. So as soon as you give Casa presentation, you can sit down from the point of view of participants and replay it over again. If you're happy which performance you can publish, ask for the rest of the world to enjoy, and it's like the performance is happening livens. Very recently, we've actually seen a huge demand in engage for us. Use in advance, so we had a hasty see ad in the recently where it was, it was in China. And we had one in one million people watching to livestream near details. VR users in there I mean had keynote speakers from AC themselves from Media Ami people from China data, com what it was a massive. Success so gain like it's communication. Aspect is really Ian People. Are really looking at engage where there's a lot of shots with video based platforms. Where zooms fantastic when you have maybe four or five on a call and he needs communicates. Very very good at that, but if you have maybe ten fifteen twenty people on zoom called gets very busy very very quickly and everybody over talks each other very very quickly. That doesn't happen inside a platform like engaged where we've spatial audio. Where somebody is sitting next to you, you can lean over to the person next to you whispering on sounds. Sounds like right next to you. If you WANNA ask a question is simply raise your hand in real life. Your Avatar will raise its times and the person that's all was looking directly archie, so you're getting all not number indication that you would get in a reader room or re conference area attached to something that can be done on video based. So I can completely confirmed that I was actually one of the lucky ones that went to the HCC five ecosystem conference in Vr. was when it was airing and there was also my first virtual reality conference that I went to, and I was I was quite amazed by the types of talks that were given not simply because of the content, but because of say the background or the immersive. That was able to be generated within that talk so One stands out in memory where there was a video of a train in the in the slides of the speaker, and then as the train got nearer nearer to the front of the slide, the train actually jumped out through the slide and came into or close to the audience, so it gave you a very visceral sense of what the what the speaker was presenting, and gave you a really solid idea of what is actually possible now, and I guess in the future for Vr for that level of immersion that you get nowhere else. Yeah, you can. Really you can really spice things waste that we call it a special effects where he can bring in these objects to keep people attentive, whereas quite often. When you go to a conference on its, we say it's death by powerpoint where you're just sitting Truman by presentation than the Turkey slides in half the audience have fallen asleep, or you can have really interactive elements idea, no adjoining, those talks as President of ACC China. Keeps talking of Corona virus, so we have joined floating overhead and everybody was a Hazmat suits is what? Is. Every baby fight. Six minutes dot. Keep people interested. Keep people waiting engaged with what's going on then. What's the best thing that we had was the social at times so halfway through the conference that was the social break where for Hafner people can get open talk to each other mock around conference and have private conversations. These hallway conversations that's something that can only be done in a virtuous based cannot be done on a video based platform where you go in these one off conversations with people. You just chance meet, and that's why people go to conferences. A lot of businesses don't actually conferences by Sandy saves people to conferences eighty percent of the work zone with these hallway conversations among. The, CTO will. It's interesting what you're down. Here's what we were doing and people am am star. Yep and I think given the current situation that we're in having the capability of having a conference like this in VR is so much more important than maybe even a year ago or so I was in those in those hallway discussions, and it was. It was great to be able to speak to people about you know. The future of the are the future of technology from the kind of comfort of of my own room I. I can only see this going forward and being a very important tool. If the Coronavirus Paradigm subsists continues with us over the next year. I think anyway even when Krona virus as finally don adults, it and I don't think it's going anytime. Salen and the way things are going at the moment off. There was a lot of concerns about bar. Mental issues before of ours happened and I think people are getting used to working from home and not having to sit traffic for hours on end at not having to get on a plane, foreign era, long meeting, and again on a plane to return back home. You know troubling. Like I think those days are to an end on March with farms started confident forefronts. More and more. Again going back to new jobs in the hell jobs involving like I think the events industry in virtual reality that's going to be a whole industry for other companies to to really talk as well and there's going to be like fulltime event. Planners inside our reality. FULLTIME staff is when making sure that everything runs asked movie, so that's the jobs I see happening very very already on in this space. Yeah very interesting I had thought about that a little bit, but I'll have to talk to you offline, and maybe if you can connect me to somebody, would be fascinating to talk to somebody who's actually creating an entire business or entire job in VR. one of one of maybe the the last things I wanted to talk to. You. About was kind of the future of engaged I. Mean we've touched on it a little bit here, but I did read up that You now have a strategic partnership with HTC Five. This is a neighbouring engaged to grow a phenomenally in in China. Maybe you can speak to that a bit. Yeah so am getting set to supply engage on Chinese Arbor's advert Them, one of the core reasons for working obviously is the Chinese market is the largest growing VR ar arc in the world, and it talks technology very very quickly. And to work in China, you have to be a Chinese company. You have to work with somebody. WHO's already an established in China and hasty are one of the leading harbor manufacturers of VR quitting globally, honest especially relevant in China, you've not our company, so we fight with started right times actually with the Code Nineteen Hunting Dash. Let's really feel the platform as is usually valuable. Especially in education Ellison's is is wanting to connect me. Need to get into China wants the best way to do this. We already had a long. Working relationship ways We'd be more with them on an affordable. Ask Four or five years. We felt we had a good enough relationship. into the next level we signed aren't or hey. She would be pushing the engaged for forward inside the Greater China region on I think it'll be a win. Win For all of us where they're getting access to a very high quality at form where it's going to be very good for content creators in Kenya, Cajun, and then we also have access I'll see to hey. She sees vast network of business of sales, people, and also the harbor wide early access to hardware. They have Camille Future, so as seems like a very strong partnership. And I saw this morning. I believe one of your colleagues posted on twitter on twitter that there's a APP now for for android. Is that correct? So we've released, engage on mobile phones, tablets, and really this was born out of. The event space as well so still quite a lot of people that don't have the our headsets and allowed events were running. A lot of people want to join in those hallway conversations. Now it is best if you have vr headsets, but next best. If you don't the the the the ANDROID APP or the top put up, you could still walk around and sit interact with people in the natural way, not natural as our butts. The next best thing is better than watching a livestream anyway, and the Islamic better not so we've just opened up access to the platform on and. Like nearly everybody on the globe has access to smartphones behind the full Arjun for the end of the year so say. Just rodents spectrum people. We can talk to him. And for that say if I have my headset on him in a conference or some sort of event and the person with the tablet or the smartphone, they would have their own Avatar, but it wouldn't be as customizable or wouldn't be as I'd say immersive as say the Avatar that I have in. That would be one of the only real differences. Yeah, won't be. It'd be kind of a similar experience playing for nine on your mobile phone, so you can move around within the space. You can raise your hands and you can talk to people inside of. You wouldn't move as naturally as somebody unlv our session Well David I think that was. That was a terrific. Thank you very much for the conversation. Those were the main questions that I had for you. I will post the engage website up in the show notes. Do you have any preferred place where people can get hold of you or follow you? Yet you can follow us on twitter and our twitter handle is VR education on our website. Is www dot engage VR Dodo? Terrific well can't thank you enough and. Wish you all the luck with your interesting company. Thank you very much for coming on. Or problem as you're talking to you. Thanks for listening to this week's episode. If you want to support the podcast, you can leave a lake or review on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast. If you want to get in touch, feel free to do so over twitter or Lincoln by searching for automated podcast on the website automated podcast Dot Org. 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NPR News: 06-15-2020 2PM ET
"Live from NPR news I'm Lakshmi, Singh the Food and Drug Administration is formally rescinding special status for the use of to anti-malarial drugs in the treatment of covid nineteen. NPR's Joe Palca reports the FDA granted these drugs so-called emergency use authorization in March emergency use authorization makes it easier for doctors to use a drug in a manner, not specifically approved by the FDA Hydroxy Clark Win and Clark when we're initially designed as anti-malarial drugs and later shown to be useful, intriguing, certain auto immune disorders. At first some researchers thought they might be. Be Useful intriguing COVID, nineteen view championed by president trump who says he took the drug to prevent the disease, but carefully controlled studies failed to show a clear benefit for either and now the FDA has rescinded the emergency use authorization although scientific investigations of the drugs, potential benefits continue Joe Palca. NPR news watershed moment for lgbtq rights in this country, the nation's highest court has ruled. Gay and transgender individuals are protected under federal law, barring sex discrimination in employment that means lgbtq individuals who believe they were dismissed on those grounds can to. The Nation's High Court has rejected the trump administration's bid to throw out. California so called sanctuary locked. NPR's Joel rose reports. Law Limits local police cooperation with federal immigration authorities to high court's order leaves in place Lower Court rulings that upheld the California law. The 2017 law blocks local law enforcement from sharing information with federal immigration officials. Even when they released potentially deportable immigrants from custody. The laws authors say it makes California safer because immigrants are more likely to report crimes, president trump who has made hard line immigration enforcement. Focus of his administration called the state's sanctuary policy quote, deadly and unconstitutional, but lower courts, including the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld it now. The Supreme Court has effectively. Let the law stand only justices Samuel Alito in Clarence Thomas voted to hear the administration's appeal Joel rose NPR news Washington. The federal government has the authority to allow a proposed seven and a half billion dollar natural gas pipeline under the Appalachian trail in Virginia the US. Supreme Court seventy-two ruling today removes a key obstacle in Dominion Power's quest to build six hundred miles of pipeline from West Virginia to North Carolina. The energy company, Cabot, oil and gas is now facing fifteen criminal counts for polluting residential water wells in and around Dick Pennsylvania village widely known as Ground Zero in the fight over fracking, grand jury investigation and cover that the company failed to repair faulty gas wells that leak methane into people's water supplies. DEMOC was featured in the Emmy Award winning two thousand ten documentary gasoline in which residents were seen lighting their tap water on fire. The Dow is up one hundred fourteen points. This is NPR news. A Russian court has convicted and American of spying and sentenced him to sixteen years in prison NPR's Lucian Kim reports from Moscow Paul whalen was accused of receiving a flash drive containing state secrets. Secrecy has shrouded the case of Paul, Wheelin ever since he was arrested during a visit to Moscow in December twenty eighteen, the fifty year old has maintained his innocence from the start and his. His family says he was entrapped us. Ambassador John Sullivan has called a secret trial, a mockery of justice and criticized the lack of access to wheel and by diplomatic staff in a statement Paul. Williams brother Davis said the conviction increases the chances he could be released as part of a swap David Whelan appeal to president trump to bring his brother home swiftly, Lucian, Kim NPR News Moscow. European borders are reopening after a three-month lockdown. Due to the corona virus, pandemic France, and Germany stopped border checks nearly two weeks ago following Italy's lead European countries are not expected to begin reopening to visitors from outside Europe until the beginning of July at the earliest global health experts are imploring governments to act with caution though Johns Hopkins University, reports Corona virus has infected nearly eight million people worldwide since it was first reported in Wuhan China back in December. US stocks, trading higher this hour with the Dow up one hundred fifty one points more than half a percent at twenty, five, thousand, seven, hundred, fifty, two. The Nasdaq is up now more than one percent at ninety, seven, twelve and the SNP up three quarters of a percent. This is NPR news.
Target USA Ep. 229 | Russia sentences Paul Whelan to 16 years hard labor
"From podcast one. Coming up in this, episode of Target USA. Monday June fifteenth twenty twenty was a hard day for poem Wieland's family. My brother has just been convicted of espionage in a Russian court and sentenced to sixteen years in a harsh regimen. CAMP, Paul's twin brother David says he was set up It was a corrupt law enforcement officer who didn't want to pay back a debt that he owed him of about fourteen hundred dollars. Waylon was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but now that the trial and the sentencing done. There's no way that Paul whalen can do sixteen years of. Of hard labor because of health issues and a recent surgery for a hernia well, he has earning a strangulated two weeks ago and he had emergency surgery. He has some other health. Conditions from when he served in the in the marines in Iraq and as you say. I don't think that he is in any condition to survive sixteen years in Russian labor camp. Their only hope now is the US government which has been silent so far coming up on this edition of Target USA the national security podcasts from WTO. In Washington. DC THIS IS TARGET USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country, north, Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United. States dangerous terrorist DC is repeatedly mentioned is someplace. They would like to see an attack cyber criminals. Successfully! America as a target on its back and on this program we investigate the threats, the people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA the national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green. American Paul whalen was in Moscow in December of two thousand eighteen for the wedding of a friend. When he was arrested during his time there, he was allegedly given a thumb drive in a hotel room, containing what he thought were photos of Russian churches, but actually again allegedly that thumb drive contained state secrets. His lawyers said he was taken into custody before he even had a chance to look at the thumb drive bottom line, according to women's lawyer and his family, he was set. After an extended period of time, he was charged with espionage after five hundred thirty five days in custody and a show trial. He was sentenced this week to fifteen years of hard labor in a Russian prison camp. We've spoken to his family members numerous times during this ordeal and we spoke again with Paul Elands twin brother David this week. Okay. You're having a bit of a hard morning. Tell us why. My brother has just been convicted of espionage in a Russian court and sentenced to sixteen years in a harsh regimen camp. and. Remind us how he got there. He. was in Moscow in December, twenty eighteen for a wedding for a fellow former marine and he was entrapped by a Russian friend who works for the FSP and has spent the last eighteen months attempting to. Prove his innocence and The trial just ended this morning. What's the next step. Well, the next step is that Paul will have to figure out how to appeal his. Sentence if that's what he decides to do, and to seek clemency from President, Putin in Casey can attain of pardon. But the conviction really is the last procedural obstacle that has stopped the Russian government from talking to the US government about finding some sort of form of release four Paul, so we are hoping now that the trump administration who has not yet engaged in a diplomatic effort for Paul will now do so. Now I, read what you said a bit earlier this morning. You said the court decision completely. a completes the final piece of this broken judicial process and tell us what you've found during this process. That led you to that conclusion. Well I think based on what Paul says, was the rationale behind his friend and trapping him in the first place It was a corrupt law enforcement officer who didn't want to pay back a debt that he owed him about fourteen hundred dollars, so that was the first step, and then we had an investigator in the FSP spent nine months quote unquote, investigating and finding evidence. Even, though the Russian, authorities said that Paul was caught red-handed, and you would think well. If it was caught red-handed, they would. They must have had the evidence right there, but apparently they didn't and then he wasn't allowed to put on a defense. He wasn't allowed to have the information provided to him in an English, she doesn't speak Russian or read it and then the evidence that he provided to show that he wasn't a colonel in a US intelligence agency. was also not. Allowed because it was not translated into Russian and the court would not do that even today when the sentence was read, Paul didn't understand any of it because it was entirely in Russian. do you have any sense then of of what he knows what he understood, obviously, if he. Wasn't released immediately. He probably has to have some idea that things didn't go well today. How much do you think he understood? What took place I? Think he probably understand now. He has one English speaking lawyer on his team. The lead lawyer does not speak any English, but I think that they probably had some time with him afterwards and were able to explain to him. What the What the decision of the court was! He was expecting I'm sure that he would be convicted and also that the sentence would be pretty harsh because that's what the prosecution had asked for, and so far our experience with the Russian judicial system. Is that The judges are not there to be independent. They are there to rubber-stamp the government's decisions, and so that's what we've got today. You said you will continue to fight What will you do next? Well we will continue to rely on David urban who is a lobbyist who has been working on Paul's case? He can have conversations in inside. The White House with people that are family can't and we hope that those will bear fruit We will continue to work with members of Congress. and staff inside the State Department to. Focus their attention and and it may be amplified their support for Paul so that his freedom becomes eight priority because it really there really is no excuse now for The government's not to find a solution. And indeed you've you've also said on numerous occasions, and you reiterated again this morning. In your note that you put out that you look to the US government to immediately take steps to bring Paul Home What do you think is the reason why they have so far? I really think that they haven't so far because the Russian government has not been willing to listen twenty discussion, and they the Russian foreign. Ministry has stated that in in the Russian media that until Paul was convicted that they wouldn't have discussions about his release even though. In those same media reports, they listed the things that they would want to exchange or to. Extract from the US whether it was diplomatic access to their diplomatic properties in in New York and Maryland whether it was getting convicts like Victor. BOOT released us. Oh, we've known that. That was their plan and we also knew that the conviction was an obstacle. So now that there is no conviction really there are no procedural obstacles, and so immediately may not be today. In fact, I'm sure it's not even this week, but there's really there are no more obstacles are no more excuses for not. Taking action to help. Paul you know they have said in their in sentence. They were sentencing him to fifteen or sixteen years hard labour. He can't do that because I you know. He's got underlying health conditions, but you know he's got a very serious physical situation. That would prevent him from doing anything like that right now. So what do you first of all explain what that situation is. And what do you think? Will happen in the interim. Well. He has hernia strangulated two weeks ago and he had emergency surgery. He has some other health. Conditions from when he served in the in the Marines in Iraq and As as you say, I don't think that he is in any condition to survive sixteen years in Russian labor camp so really our only hope for survival, and frankly for him to be able to see our parents again, they're both in their eighties is for him to be released soon. David. The family gone through a lot. I've tried to keep up with as much as I could sense took place in December of two thousand eighteen, but obviously it's impossible to see what goes on when when when when the cameras are not capturing images when the microphones are shut down, you know when you're away from the public eye, and that's most of the time you know alone when things are going on just between yourself and your family so how? How are you? How is the family? Well. Today's a hard day. I think in general we are. We are like any family. Perhaps our ups and downs amplified because Paul situation, although I mean, there are many people who have. Loved ones who are incarcerated I think that we tend to focus on. The work needs to be done, and there's a lot of work There's always a another journalist to speak to. In my case, since I'm handling the media another contact for my sister to have with the people in the government and for my other brother to work with the different embassies that he has been working with in Moscow, so I mean I think we all rely on our work to. Do that one next step to see if we can get Paul Freedman. And that helps us to get through what is it's a very hard time. Well. I'm hoping you don't lose hope, but I have to ask. Have you ever gotten to a moment where it's been running low? Well, yes, sometimes the hope is challenged, but it's always there. It's a it's a light that that always flickers and. I think some days. You just really do we. Do. We have to face this as well and then you just you move past and you move on because that's really all it is. It's a slog It's a war. It's not a battle, and sometimes you lose battles, but you stay focused on your goal, and the goal really is to get poll released and. However that happens and whoever helps to happen I don't care so long as we get to that final goal and pulse release and will continue to slog until we get there. Early in this process I think we talked a couple of times about the Maria both situation and you know she's been released, and is who knows where in doing who knows what, but there was some sense that Paul was upon in that in that case. Do you think that was a part of this situation? We know that His alleged friend who turned out. You know the guy obviously wasn't a friend. turned out to be to entrap him because of that. Fifteen hundred dollar debt, but he. was a deeper thing going on here. Was it just that? I tend to think it was just that, but you never really know It's it's hard to know what to trust out of the Russian system I saw a quote this morning. Paul's lawyer Mr Scherr Bankowa was. Speaking to media after this morning sentencing. On the courthouse steps, and he said that Paul had been told from the very first weekend that he had been arrested that he was going to be kept to exchange for Victor boot convicted arms dealer who helped sell arms to FARC in Colombia so I mean it's really hard to know if there has always been a deeper. Focus or if really as I've often thought, it was really just police corruption where Paul's friend didn't pay a wanted to get a promotion sold Paul out for that, and the Russians have taken advantage of it and put him in there exchange fund. Have you learned anything from this process that will be beneficial to you and your family, and perhaps to others moving forward after this after this is resolved. Well obviously my. Siblings and I have new skills that we didn't have before whether it's dealing with media government, or or what have you I think we all hope that other families who are in our situations, and there are many there are other Americans being held by Russia there're Americans being held in Saudi, Arabia and Egypt in Iran. All of those families are going through the same thing, and we don't all have the resources to do it, and so I think all of us in the family feel like We may be able to share some of our experiences with those unfortunate families. I mean no one wants their family to be in the group that we're in, but we all tend to to share our. Our knowledge and help each other where we can. Is there anything above all that has been your biggest takeaway from all of this from Paul being arrested, too him being held unlawfully to the sham trial, the show trial whatever to the rush learning what you've learned about the Russian system to learning what you've learned about yourself about Paul about you know life under these circumstances that. You would like to share. It's just such a missed opportunity. The Russian people are good people just like the American. People are good people. And The inability four. Nations whether it's American Russia. Are America Iran or American? Wherever to be able to get along in a way that the people of those countries can go and see the culture of this other country or go and understand Safely the culture and the people and different parts of the world. It's very sad I mean my family no longer would plan to go to Russia even though. Twenty four months ago, we were discussing. that. Wouldn't it be great to go and see the many wonderful things to churches? The buildings the landscape of Russia. And now that's not possible because governments like the Russian Federation like the Republic of Iran. make it so that you risk your very life to go to their country. Even though you're only goal is to understand their people and their culture better, you know this strikes a chord with me, because a number of us have thought the same exact thought David! And that is what a wonderful place it is! We all know some wonderful people that have come from there, but it's unfortunate that that splendor and beauty and all of those positive things have been overshadowed by something like this. Is there something you'd like to add? It's just my hope that for all of the people who leave their country and carry a passport that the governments who are supposed to protect them. We'll do so and so I hope that we will send see the trump administration. Take steps to bring Paul home that interview with David Whelan took place on Monday June fifteen, that about six, am, of course, things were still very raw for David. As you could hear. His voice cracked a little there at the end. What why wouldn't it under those circumstances? I can honestly say talking to him. It was not clear what they would do next. They had been asking the US government for help for more than eighteen months with no success, but on Monday something remarkable happened. dated. It's two days later Wednesday June seventeenth. You learned Monday. That your brother has been sentenced to sixteen years hard labor and in a Russian prison camp. That was a hard day, so it's two days later with. Now. Well. I think our family has absorbed. The News and is is heartened I. Mean just really grateful for the uniform support that came out of the US government on Monday, and since then from a House Committee on Affairs Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. Secretary Pompeo National Security Advisor O'Brien just all over the place. There's been this unified support, not only that this was a mockery of justice as Ambassador Sullivan said on the courthouse steps, but really that Paul. Deserved Justice and Justice in this case was freedom, and so while the Russian Federation in the last few days has started to try and turn this into a transaction of trades and exchanges, and there's been a lot of press about that We have appreciated and support the US position, which is all desserts freedom. This is not a transaction. This is about fairness and justice. Did. You expect that from the US. Government after such a long period of silence, because as you've already said they really weren't doing much of anything. We were floored. Absolutely Florida I mean it was just like every time you turned around and looked at social media. There was another another person Senator Menendez senator. Rubio Senator Sheen the Michigan delegation. Put out a statement We've seen the Helsinki Commission today I mean it's just been. It's just been so overwhelmingly supportive. And finally we saw statements from the UK for an office, and from the Canadian global affairs unit so It really has been an overwhelming sense of support, which I think everybody realizes that with that conviction out of the way. Now something else can happen now. The government's can really do the diplomatic and political steps that are needed for Paul to be released. Well we reached out to Mr David Urban whom we spoke to you about. We haven't heard back from him yet, but do you get the sense Get any sense of what is happening perhaps behind the scenes to help free your brother. No and I mean and and that's been a consistent where we have been able to speak to people in the State Department or the Department of Justice and so on. But we don't necessarily hear about the activity or the operational steps, and in a sense Mr urban volunteering to lobby on Paul's behalf to to advocate on on his behalf within the White House was important, because he can really have conversations and discussions that are family can't have. He has those relationships as a former classmate of secretary, Esperer and secretary pompeo so so We don't. We are at arm's length about what what might or might not be happening, but we are confident particularly after the outpouring of support on Monday that something will happen. Do, you have any idea though what might happen because it would it, would it? Would it be a change of heart by the Russians, and they simply let Paul go, or would it be trade? What what do you think might be the most likely scenario? I I really don't know, and I've been asked this question a number of times as you can imagine. Part, partly because I don't really know what concrete steps governments take in order to make this happen I've just watched this from the outside. Like everybody else does so there could be a conciliatory approach whereas you say the Russian Federation as they did with American citizen, Edmond Pope just let Paul Go without any even any any pretends to there being some sort of exchange or Equivalents to it it could be that there is some sort of an exchange of value as a as it were, where you take a tourist out of Russian prison, and then perhaps you give access to diplomatic properties in Long Island in Maryland. Or frankly and I support. This is equally sanctions. There are the magnitsky sanctions that could be placed against Russians. There are other. Tools that I understand could be used to impact. The Russian position so. I our family supportive of any of those songs, the outcome is is released, and we don't really have any expertise to know. What is most likely in this situation? Is there any sense at all? Have you seen any movement from the Russian government that suggest anything positive Have you seen anything like that? Since any of this took place in the last couple of days. Not Really. There has been a lot of chatter on the Russian side in the Russian media, quoting Russian officials, and also get before Minister Riyad Kov spoke and talked about you know wanting to get a Russian. Convicts returned from US prisons to Russia, but nothing concrete and frankly nothing that was new during Paul's. Imprisonment and nothing new since before Paul's imprisonment, it's the same names. It's the same approach so I don't really put any stock in it. I think if anything's going to happen. Even from the Russian side, it will happen in the background. Well David Two days have passed then does I mentioned to you before we will stay on this and stay with the story. And we'll check in with you again and hopefully things do make the turn that you think they seem to be making so Good luck with that. Thanks so much. Jj I really appreciate you staying on the story. That's it for this episode. We'll be back with another next week. Remember whether its terrorists. Anarchist cybercriminals our nation states. America has a target on its back. Our objective is to investigate the threats facing the US people behind them, the agencies fighting them and their impact on Americans if you have any questions or comments about the program sent me an email at J. Green at W. T.. T. O. P. DOT COM. That's the letter j the Color Green one word at whiskey. TANGO IS PAPA DOT COM. J., Green, W., T., O., P., DOT, com, please subscribe to our podcast and follow us on twitter at t USA podcast, also, if you want more national security news, sign up for my newsletter. It's called inside the skiff at W.. T. O. P., DOT com slash alerts. I'm Jay Jay. 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6.16.20 Transgender rights, voter priorities, and The Olasky Interview
"Hi I'm. J. D. drew former major league baseball player from Hey Howard Georgia I have been so impressed and so thankful for this podcast, all the inspiring stories to great coverage of news and Events and all done with a Christian worldview to one podcast I absolutely refused to miss. Let me, express my gratitude thankfulness for the entire team at world until you all the listeners who contribute to make this show possible with consideration. Let's keep the show going. Join me in making a donation today. Go to W. N. G. Dot org slash donate. Hope, you enjoyed today show. Good morning titles seven of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four bands, sex discrimination, but the US Supreme. Court says that now covers homosexuality and transgenderism. The descent sounds the alarm for religious freedom and women's rights, also today, a little political irony, the country's health crisis, not healthcare reform down the priority list for many voters plus the Alaska interview this time, a conversation with a philosophy professor on the writings of Augusta. I actually don't think many people think their way into holiness. If that was the case, everybody with a PhD, theology would be a saint, met hardly the case and world commentator, Kim Henderson on how response to the corona virus left the most vulnerable out of consideration. It's Tuesday June sixteenth. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm Mary. Record and I'm Nick Eicher Good Morning. Up next CAN COVINGTON, hence today's news. Protesters took to Atlanta streets again on Monday after police fatally shot a black man who resisted arrest. The family of twenty-seven-year-old Ray. Sharp Brooks is demanding changes in law enforcement brooks widow to Meka. Miller told reporters. There's no justice that can ever make me feel happy about what's been done I can ever get her husband back. I can never get my best friend. Accu never tell my daughter always communist taking skating. Atlanta Mayor Kisha lands. Bottoms said the shooting and Wendy's parking lot angered and saddened her Friday evening. We saw the murder of racial jokes. And as I settled for I am often reminded words in Dr Martin Luther King Junior. There is a fierce urgency of now in our communities, but the president of the Cobb County Georgia fraternal order. Police Steve Gainer said. The incident was not one-sided. Miss Brooks is the one that took the peyser. Mr Brooks is the one that fired over shoulder at the officer directly behind him, Mr Brooks caused a lot of the situation occur. Officer Ralph kept his gun holstered until Brooks fired a stolen police taser around him, but after firing to Tasers Brooks was beginning to turn away from the officer, as Rolf retrieved his sidearm and the medical examiner's office said the fatal rounds struck Brooks in his back. President trump on Monday said he found the shooting disturbing and plans to announce an executive order regarding police today. Rescuers have recovered the body of a US Air Force fighter pilot who crashed into the North Sea near the coast of the world's Kristen and. The pilot of an F fifteen eagle was on a routine training mission near Suffolk England when the jet plunged into the sea at nine forty. A M on Monday. The cause of the crash wasn't clear. The fighter jet was flying out of Royal Air Force Lake in Heath the base about eighty miles northeast of London host the US Air Force's forty eight th fighter wing. The British Coast Guard recovered. The pilots remains hours after locating the wreckage of the fighter jet off the Yorkshire Coast the Pentagon did not immediately release. The name of the Servicemember killed pending notification of family reporting for world I'm Kristen, Flavin. A Russian court on Monday sentenced an American corporate security executive to sixteen years hard labour. The Russian government accused him of espionage and a closed trial that US officials denounced as a sham US ambassador to Russia John Sullivan I've described these proceedings as a mockery of justice in today just confirmed in. An American citizen has been sentenced to a term of sixteen years. For a crime, for which we've not seen Evans Paul. WHALEN is a former marine from Michigan. He maintains his innocence and says he was set up when he was arrested in Moscow in December twenty eighteen while visiting Russia to attend a friend's wedding. The fifty year old wayland also holds British, Irish and Canadian. Citizenship is publicly complained of poor prison conditions and set his life is in danger is. Is twin brother David said Paul recently underwent hernia surgery. He obviously had emergency surgery two weeks ago. which is never a good sign so hopefully his recuperation has been going all right David Whelan also said he's worried about corona virus infections in the Moscow prison, whereas brother is being held a said, the case is clearly political, and he hopes the US. Government can help secure his brother's freedom. Doctors Without Borders is pulling out of Afghanistan's capital after a deadly attack last month. World's Anna Joe. Hansen has that story. The medical humanitarian group announced the decision to withdraw from a hospital in couple on Monday on May. Twelfth terrorists stormed doctorswithoutborders maternity clinic and opened fire. The attackers murdered two dozen people, including fifteen mothers and two young children more than a month later, no group has claimed responsibility. The clinic largely served members of the ethnic minority has a rock community. The group has historically marginalized and affected by poverty and displacement. DOCTORSWITHOUTBORDERS general director t are-. Allah four do Veggie said. He was aware that the group's presence in the area carried risks, but he said we just couldn't believe that someone would take advantage of the absolute vulnerability of women about to give birth to exterminate them and their babies. The withdrawal will leave hustler women and children without access to essential medical care, but do their Gee said the organization has no choice adding higher walls and thicker security doors won't prevent such horrific assaults from happening again. Reporting for world I'm Ana Johannesen. WNBA on Monday announced plans to tip off season next month with a short twenty two game schedule. League is still finalizing a partnership to play all of its games at a sports training facility near Tampa. The WNBA is aiming to start play on July twenty fourth one week earlier than the NBA hopes to resume its season Orlando. COVINGTON and straight ahead. A landmark Supreme Court ruling on transgender employment rights plus Kim Henderson on abortion as a so-called essential service. This is the world and everything in it. Tuesday the sixteenth of June twenty twenty, glad to have you along for today's edition of the world and everything in it. Good morning, I nick. Mary Reichert. Thanks so much for your response so far to our June giving drive where a little over half the way to our goal at a little over half the way through the month. So that's good. Yes, it is good, and it's such an important moment for biblically objective journalism. 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These employees sued under title seven of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. That law does not mention sexual orientation, nor does it mention gender identity. It says only that employers must not fire, nor failed to. To hire any person because of an individual's race color, religion, sex or national origin, writing for the majority justice, gorsuch interpreted the meaning of the word sex to include gay and transgender persons during oral argument. In October, this is what gorsuch had to say. When a case is really close on the textual evidence, and I assume for the moment I'm I'm with you on the textual evidence? Close? Okay? The judge finds it very close at the end of the day. Should he or she take into consideration, the massive social upheaval that would be entailed in such a decision. But the opinion didn't address social upheaval. Rather the six justices applied the legal doctrine of textual ISM. The late Justice Antonin Scalia wrote a book on it. Saying laws ought to be interpreted in the ordinary meaning at the time of passage, but because the law was written in broad terms, the majority reason it should be interpreted broadly. The majority focused on the meaning of the word today, not in the past, the majority did not purport to address bathrooms, locker, rooms, and other infringements on. On, privacy, speech and religious beliefs, it does mention the Religious Freedom Restoration Act as sufficient protection for those who have sincerely held religious beliefs about human sexuality in dissent. Justices Samuel Alito Clarence Thomas and Brad Kavanagh the used harsh words to describe the majority opinion, deceptive, illogical, breathtakingly arrogant. The first line of one descent reads. There's only one word for what the court has done today legislation. US Solicitor General. knoll Francisco made this exact point in the oral argument. I actually find troubling. For courts to take that approach because I. Actually think it deprives the people of the ability to struggle with these issues democratically, the descent wrote of great damage to the separation of powers, grave misunderstanding of statutory interpretation and danger to freedoms of religion and speech Justice Kavanagh wrote his own descent, pointing out the fate of Women's sports under title nine is now in question as athletes born male can claim the. The right to compete against women, employers and teachers may have to alter standard English to suit. Subjective perceptions of gender and religious liberty is in danger, because teaching of sexual morality is at odds with his judicially imposed new meaning lost in all of this is the perspective of the small business owner who hired a man who then later presented as a woman Tom Ross. Read from a statement earlier this year. This is must be able to rely on what the light is at the time. They make business decisions. Sadly to the ACLU and EEOC we were just means for their end of redefining the law without Congress. That's unjust. All of us should be able to rely on what the law says. The case goes back down to lower court for further proceedings consistent with the majority opinion, the second opinion handed down yesterday, says federal law. Let's the US Forest Service grant developers the right to lay a natural gas pipeline across the Appalachian Trail. This is a seven two decision. Coming up next on the world and everything in it, healthcare reform will before that wide field of Democratic presidential hopefuls narrowed down to one that debates featured lively discussions about one topic in particular, the function of the healthcare system today is to make billions in profits for the insurance companies I'm the only wanted to stay is actually got it done on healthcare. I'm the Guy Krizner turn, so go get the votes for Obamacare. We have worked to bring down the costs by fighting to allow forty three million seniors. That's a bill I lied to negotiate for better prices under Medicare I. Think most of the candidates supported two choices medicare for all or the so called public option, but after going through a pandemic. What do American voters think about these proposals world? Sarraj Weinsberg has our story. Every month the Kaiser Family Foundation Asks Americans about their views on healthcare issues, especially health care reform proposals. Ashley Kurt Singer is a public opinion researcher, the foundation she says before the coronavirus came to American shores, one of the healthcare reform ideas gaining traction among Democrats and independence was medicare for all. It's really kind have. In awareness, since Bernie Sanders made it a little point in his presidential campaign Medicare for all with nationalize healthcare, it would completely get rid of the private healthcare sector in January Kaiser's tracking poll found fifty six percent of Americans liked that idea. And in the most recent poll in May, that number held steady. Ashley curtsying her says that flat line is surprising. We thought with all of the conversation around on the cost of. Coverage in people's concerns with this big public health crisis that the country was facing that we thought that there may be some shifts in attitudes towards Medicare for all another healthcare shakeup, gaining buzz before the pandemic was the public option plan. That's where the government would create a federal health insurance policy. The idea is that it would compete with private insurance plans and be cheaper, the vast majority of Democrats nearly nine in ten Democrats. Seven and ten independence, and about half of Republicans actually support a public option in January that support came to more than two thirds of all Americans fast forward to May as lockdown started to end in many states, the level of support for that reform didn't change either. It seems that you know attitudes towards both of these have really stabilized in the shifted dramatically because of the coronavirus, so why no shift! Doug is a policy analyst at the heritage, Foundation. He says one reason is that the longer these ideas are around? The more people learn about the nuts and bolts. The more people learn about them in terms of their costs in terms of potential limitations on their access to care of the the less supportive, they become Kaiser. Family Foundation's Ashley Cursing her says the lack of change is also a symptom of America's deep divide. During the Corona Virus, Republicans have largely seen a system that can handle a pandemic woman. Democrats. ceus system that's falter at solidified their beliefs. You know for Republicans. They may think that we don't need drastic changes to the country's health insurance system in this is just an indication that when there is a public crisis that we can make other changes and so we don't need a much larger systematic change, but could attitudes toward a healthcare makeover change going into November. Catherine Hayes is the healthcare policy director at the bipartisan Policy Center. She predicts voter concerns over the economy will push healthcare to the back burner for the foreseeable future. My sense is that you know we're just not going to see a lot of movement on healthcare. Even though we have had this pandemic Tom Miller is with the American Enterprise Institute. He says when the country is in the midst of economic and social upheaval. A health care overhaul doesn't look. Look so attractive. You're going to have enough trouble managing businesses usual, and so we're not about to disrupt everything and then take a wild card on a five to ten year project disruption, but other house can researcher saying that upheaval could push owners toward change Chris. Pope is a healthcare policy analyst at the Manhattan Institute. He says the economy is tied to healthcare. Most Americans get their health insurance through their employer right now. Twenty one million Americans are unemployed. If they remain out of work, they could start looking to the government for help as radical change to the source of funding, and also the politics of how people fail about employer sponsored health insurance. How exactly that plays athletically at the moment is a clare. Reporting for world. Sarraj Weinsberg. The additional support comes from Albert. Molars newest book the gathering storm showing. How secularism has transformed every aspect of society and how to confronted with hope, confidence and conviction more at the gathering storm Book Dot Com. As a former Army Staff Sergeant Trent to a Dale is trained for combat, but he never thought he'd find himself in a fistfight with an alligator to a dale was walking his dog on his farm north. Of Tampa Florida when the nature walk took an unexpected turn, his six-year-old rescue pub lucky dipped his front paws, and a creek and moments later, his master was. was literally fighting for his dog's life audio here from TV station W. F. L. A. I grabbed the dog's collar to try to pull him back and I ended up in a tough match with his gator, and the gator was not letting go so i. let go with a caller and sort of counting on the caters head until he eventually let go. Let, go, but not before nearly severing the dog's leg. Loki is alive and well after surgery, and has a good chance of regaining full use of that leg. As for his owner, he's got a message now for the next gator lying in wait. We love our dog a lot and Fight Tooth and nail forum. It's the world and everything in. A. Today is Tuesday June sixteenth. Thank you for turning to world radio to help start your day. Good Morning I'm nick. And Mary Record. Coming next on the world and everything in it, the Alaska interview today a conversation with author James Smith he teaches philosophy at Calvin College, in Grand, rapids Michigan and has written numerous books including. You are what you love and awaiting the king is most recent. Title is on the road with Saint. Augustine Augusta of Hippo was an early church, Theologian and Bishop in North Africa during the fourth and fifth centuries, Professor Smith asserts that Agustin's writings still offer relevant wisdom for many of our modern issues more than sixteen hundred years later here now is an excerpt of his conversation with world, editor and chief Marvin Olesky. Chris thinking growing up. My Cathedral was was fenway. Park in Boston with the red SOx played. What was Your Cathedral? Did you have one, do you? Do you have other Church cathedrals that draw you now. When I was in high school, sport was was kind of my religion. But really it was free style BMX biking. The kind of thing you see on the X. Games and things like that. That happens in Austin and. What was interesting is it was very much about belonging? It's a little bit like what Augusta was looking for in the monarchy's when he joined. You know he's the young man. He's joining these different groups and I I'm not sure what my current sort of sympathies would be. It would be I. Guess I. Do have a little bit of a tendency to just the academy. itself can be its own. Temple right there's a way in which the perks and law audits and a benefits and privileges of the university life draw you into a world where you start valuing good things, but for the wrong reason and I think that's an ongoing challenge for Christian academics. So You write in this book and frequently about how habits change, us. that's one thing I would. I would question. Can we easily fall into into rituals? That don't actually change us, but just confirm us to feel good about ourselves without really going through the type of thinking better Augusta and went through. Yeah, interestingly if you look at the trajectory of how. The orders the confessions. Changing his mind does not solve his problem, but when you get to book seven in a way, all of Agustin's intellectual convictions have been changed. But then when you turn to book eight, he will still confess that he doesn't have the will that's needed. and what's required is transformed, will and transformed love, and that now of course, the condition of that is the infusion of grace that comes from God that makes it possible, but then he describes in a way re habituation is giving yourself over to rhythms, routines and practices that are themselves infused by the spirit so that they are doing kind of work of transformation on us on a registered that is pre intellectual and. I actually don't think many people think their way into holiness. If that was the case, everybody with a PhD theology would be a saint, and that's hardly the case and I think what you see in Augusta and is a great model of somebody who engages in deep introspective reflection on his relationship to God, but that also then spurs his intention about giving himself over to rhythms, routines and practices that carry the grace of God in them, so admittedly it is a it is a fairly Sacramento understanding of those practices and obviously some Christians disagree with that, but even as somebody who's a Protestant and in the reform tradition that vision of a kind of practiced. Embodied presence of the Spirit Habits of grace. is something that you know Presbyterian and reformed folk. would also be convinced of. Let me, go back to the book and this this may be my my favorite sons from the book. We have created youth ministry. That confuses extroversion with faithfulness. Could you expand that a little bit? I guess what things that has has worried me is. We we've sort of turned youth ministry into entertainment programs, and we and we think as long as we entertain young people. That will keep them in the building as if keeping them in the building is keeping them in Christ, and I am not at all convinced that that's the same thing, so then what happens is a. Sort of template, almost of the youth pastor is incredibly perky energetic Rah Rah, cheerleader for Jesus, who's WHO's very sincere and passionate. I don't mean to undercut that at all, but what it means is now we have effectively held up. This exemplar of how one is a Christian. That is quite unique. Not at all universal, and yet if that's all young people ever see, and they are just not wired for that sort of Ron cheerleading for Jesus kind of expression of the faith, if they're just kind of a more contempt of soul, or even if they struggle with doubt, what will happen, is they just start to conclude well? I could never be that person therefore. I guess I couldn't be a Christian and I. think that is a travesty, and it's young. People like that I have found who I meet them. You know at at university and they're ready to walk away because that's actually the only version of Christianity that they've known. And then you give them something like the book of common prayer, and they're like wait you mean. I can pray I. Don't have to make it up and it's not sort of on me to be you know improvising and all of a sudden. You've given them a mode of. Spirituality that they had never ever seen before. And it actually makes their heart. Come alive, and they can live into that as a way to follow. Jesus that's that's what I'm most worried about is that we make sure young people see. All the different moods of which we can be encountering, worshiping and praying. Because otherwise we just sort of normalize personality trait rather than the norms of discipleship. That is Calvin College Professor James Smith, talking with Marvin Alaska for more excerpts of this interview. We will have a Lincoln today's transcripted world and everything dot Org. Today Tuesday June sixteenth good morning. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio I'm Nick Eicher and Mary record the economic lockdown related to Covid, nineteen harmed many businesses, the spring world commentator Henderson notes one in her area that never stopped. In March as the coronavirus pandemic began to grow hospitals across the country began postponing surgeries. If the Centers for disease, control and prevention was right. They need all the and supplies. They could get for a rush of COVID. Nineteen patients non urgent and elective surgeries would have to wait. That meant doctors in Washington State had to tell a breast cancer patients. She couldn't get her lumpectomy. A Colorado professors hip replacement was delayed indefinitely. A young mom surgery for stage for colorectal cancer got cancelled in Los Angeles. And six year old Mitchell Porter of Minneapolis well that heart valve repair he needed. They get to it when things settled down. And while hospitals, dental offices, and the like all adapted to the new a fair number of abortion centers. Didn't it was business as usual or maybe even more business than usual in some states? where I live, the governor told reporters the state's loan. Abortion provider would be treated as other non essential medical facilities. But evidently folks inside the loud and proud pink building didn't get the memo. They never missed a beat. Escorts met visitors in the parking lot, and they were not standing six feet apart. They were not wearing masks. They were not doling out hand sanitizer besides all that they had daily gatherings of more than ten people inside the building. And as governments across the globe gathered medical supplies to save lives from covid nineteen, the abortion center was able to stockpile deliveries for an opposing purpose to take lives. Meanwhile, in states, reporting a high number of covid nineteen cases, abortion appointments could be hard to get so women came here seeking what they euphemistically call services. They drove brand new camrys and beat up Chevy's and Pathfinder with car seats secured in the second and third rows. They had license plates, showing points of origin like Louisiana Texas and Georgia. These mothers came here and found open doors and someone at a desk, ready and waiting to take their cash or major credit card. Early enough cases paid six hundred dollars for. Are you for eighty six abortion pill? If, they have passed the twelve week mark the surgical version cost about two hundred more. One Pastor I spoke with has been a regular outside the gate at this abortion center for decades. He told me that the last few months have been the busiest he's ever seen. Busy yes, but escorts wearing rainbow emblazoned vest still found time to antagonize the volunteers holding out hope and saying prayers on the sidewalks. They put buckets of manure and the grass. They covered signpost with Inc. they waged a war against the light. As the world reopens, virus experts are still wrangling with outcomes and impacts. But whatever threats covid nineteen broad, the numbers inside that abortion center remained pretty steady during the pandemic. For some forty babies each day, the death rate was one hundred percent. I'm Kim Henderson. Tomorrow we will revisit the issue of police reform and explain why conservatives oppose many of the proposals up for debate. And we will introduce you to the pastor who the popular TV singing contest the voice that and more tomorrow I'm Nick Eicher and Mary record the world and everything in it comes to you from World Radio World's mission is biblically objective. Journalism Forms Educates and inspires for it's God's. Will that by doing good, you should silence. The ignorance of foolish people live as people are free, not using your freedom as a cover up for evil, but living and servants of God. Go now in grace and peace.
Target USA Episode 186 -- American held in Russian custody on espionage charges suffers injury
"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA back to Russia and the story of Paul Whalen who was taken into custody by Russian authorities in December of last year accused of espionage. His family says the charges are bogus. His family also says his health and his safety are now very serious concerns for them. He has seen a much more aggressive tone from the the prison guards and has complaint specifically about one guard that appears to be getting close to being physically abusive. That's Paul's twin brother. David recently Paul was injured. They're concerned now really that he is going to face. Surgery is not clear whether Paul has agreed to have surgery or not but if that is the case as he will probably have surgery in the prisoner at a at a military a military site nearby from military doctor so what is his condition are the guards at the prison. Send out to harm him. How long will he remain there and we'll his case be resolved any time soon coming up on this edition of target in USA he national security podcast from WTO key in Washington DC. This is target USA. Eh Russia could render huge arm to this country. North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States Dangerous Terrorist D. Lisa is repeatedly mentioned this a place they would like to see an attack cyber criminal corruption success America as a target on its back and on this program we investigate the threats the people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is his target. USA The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green on August twenty sixth. We talked to David David Whelan Hall Whelan's brother as we do fairly frequently to find out how his brothers doing and how is cases coming in how the family is holding up poll has has been detained in Russia since December of last year on espionage charges. What are the things we asked him about was an injury that Paul at suffer and this this is what he told us that day when we spoke to him we haven't heard anything about that. we knew that he had at one point been moved from his cell to another cell but we understood it was just a standard prison sweep of a prisoner cell and so you move them out so you can do the investigation and then you have them back but we hadn't heard that he had had been rough rough handled or whatever happened. Paul had made a statement in court on Friday that he has suffered some sort of physical abuse and that's really all we know the US embassy staff are going in tomorrow the twenty seventh and we'll be seeing Paulin. That'll be our first opportunity to learn what happened so you said something. There was a court appearance last Friday. Is that right right. It was his fourth detention hearing in the Russian system every two to three months once you you can be held for two three months and then they have to essentially renew the detention and so we've just gone that for the fourth cycle the cycle Orlando again in October on the twenty ninth and we expect it to his detention will be continued past that two days later on August twenty eighth. We spoke again with with David after there were new developments about Paul's health as far as we can tell although he has been he has seen a much more aggressive tone from the prison guards and has complaint specifically about one guard that appears to be getting close to being physically abusive he's complained to the warden and he has not suffered any physical abuse from the prison prison staff. You obviously don't have way to know how he's doing since that time but I did see that he he he he had to be had to receive special treatment after this aggravation of the hernia. Can you explain clean right. Yes we've had a very difficult time knowing what his medical care is he has requested orally in a meeting with the US embassy staff and he has written a request has to the prison that his medical records be released the four countries that are looking after his care there and nothing has happened so we don't really know what his medical state is and the both a in prison in the Russian Foreign Ministry denied his ability to get access to a doctor outside of the Ford of a prison and so we were surprised that to hear that he had been visited by some doctors from the Russian Ministry of Health and that apparently was in response to to this hernia because they're concerned now really that he is going to face surgery. there's a is not clear whether Paul has agreed to have surgery or not but if that is the case he will probably have surgery and the prison or at a at a military a military site nearby from military doctor who will who will do the surgery for him and it is your understanding that he had to be mobilized well it it. It sounded to me like he was unable to move so he was unable to get up and he was not able to do the daily. Exercise that prisoners are allowed to have he couldn't take the stairs up to the roof. Which is where the exercise pennies so he was essentially not ought to move or get around during those days and of course when we heard this there was concern about that one guard that he had complained about and whether or or not Paul's injuries had resulted from some confrontation with this guard. We were obviously concerned. I mean I talked to my mom on Saturday morning and explained him. That explained ain't her that. I didn't think that Paul had been beaten. That wasn't our understanding in the US embassy confirmed that is the case he was not beaten by prison staff but I mean I it. It is clearly becoming precarious situation for him than it was and it was also unclear from his lawyer statements to the press exactly what's going on because so we know that the there might be an indictment shortly but also the judge has given the investigator for months to investigate so you know we're sort of getting mixed messages about what's coming next. What did you learn from this last court appearance not really very much that we didn't already know obviously everything in the cases. Jason Confidential his lawyer said that there's no evidence but because the cases is essentially under a gag order. There's no information about what there is or isn't in relation to the charges so it really was just whatever Paul made a as far as a public statement and then the lawyer's comments at the end so we know from Paul's statement that has health continues to be a concern. It's deteriorating. He may be facing a hernia surgery that will have to be done in the prison and because he's not being allowed access to medical care outside the prison and then his lawyer said that we are apparently coming towards the end of the pretrial period and so an in diamond will be proffered at some point soon and then there will be an evidentiary phase and then at some point in the future of trial. What do you think we'll be going on. At the end of October. Well based based on what we've seen so far. I think there will be another extension of the detention I don't believe that there is any investigation going on so this is really just sort of kicking can along as far as they can. there may be an indictment but the indictment and evidentiary period can be many months and they'll need keep Paul in in prison I doubt that there will be a trial in the case of Fraud Berg the Norwegian who was arrested on espionage. I guess almost a year and a half ago two years. It took almost a year for him to get to trial after they had finished this first pretrial phase so I think we're in for a lot more detention hearings and the same sort of circus that we had on Friday a reason I asked you that question is because I'm not sure if you know but Maria Boutin is scheduled to be released from prison on the twenty fifth of October and I knew okay there are many who suspect that this whole thing regarding brother has been stretched doubt in retaliation for her situation so I was wondering if there was any thinking along those lines about that perhaps not no and I remember you talked very often and I appreciate you having me back on your program even back in January and February that we didn't think that there was any connection to Miss Putin as case and I still don't think there's any connection action to Miss Putin this case Deputy Foreign Minister Rabakov and Foreign Minister Lavrov both stated a number of things that they might be interested in trading the Americans for in order to get Americans in Russian custody back and Miss Bootma isn't one of them. What are those things remind us again. What those things are? They're interested in trading a number of them are diplomatic properties that were taken by the Obama Administration from the Russians in in in the United States so diplomatic Matt Property in New York a dip diplomatic property in Maryland and then a number of Russian Russians who've been convicted of crimes and are held in American prisons uh-huh. That's a lot and it's a fella who I mean. He's he's. He just was a tourist. You went over there for this wedding a and a mess for eight months now for precisely why said that because there are those who still believe that they made a big mistake when they grab your brother other and they are trying to one say face in to trying to figure out what they can get out of this because of that Do you agree with that. Yes there was a it was a funny thing. I'm not sure I've got the translation right because I was using Google translate but there was a funny comment from a retired general who said essentially this guy is is is nothing he's got. No information is not an agent we we're going to have to pay for his upkeep for the near future we might as well just send them back and make whatever trade we can and just get rid of pretty soon. It's going to be ten months that he's been in custody. So what do we expect to happen in the next few days or weeks coming into a very clouded phase he's of Paul's detention and then in the United States were starting to see sort of the fruition of my sisters efforts to make connections within the government work with Congress and so I think we will see in the beginning of September the introduction of a joint resolution on Paul's behalf so that's a very positive step and I think we're just GonNa have to sort of wait and see what is becoming clear on the detention side again with this indictment his lawyers lawyers have said you know it could be two weeks for the indictment and then the evidentiary period could be a couple of weeks and we might see a trial in October November and then we've heard that his detention will ask for four more months and so we're getting all sorts of mixed signals as to what's next report because from that perspective separate from the diplomatic efforts to get him home we we realized that he'll be convicted if he goes to trial because that's just how it happens in Russia on percent conviction on espionage charges for foreigners and so we need to be thinking about whether we suggest to him that he goes through the appeals process or merely seek clemency from President Putin or what the best next steps will be what is the most moving or impressive thing that your brother has been able to communicate to you and your family since he's been in detention something that you would say is foremost most in your mind his resilience and strength. I think he's he's mentioned a number of times that the letter said he has received from Americans Americans. He doesn't know have really helped his morale. He has used his marine training survival. I think it's called. Seo Survival Training to try and maintain Anaheim morale in these conditions and not to get into physical altercations with the prison staff and things like that but it's the communication and support from the Americans who who expressed hit by communicating with him that has been really positive. He hasn't gotten all those others but he has seen it when the US embassy brings in a stack of letters he knows what people are thinking about him so I think it's is that that ongoing resilience of just you know keeping up as High Morales you can in this just awful situation where you don't speak the language where you've got medical issues and health what concerns where you can't communicate with your parents it's it's awful but he's done an amazing job at keeping that up just one more thing the FSB SB there are many who say that this is a renegade operation or rogue operation. What are your thoughts on exactly what this organization is based on. What you've learned from your experience through your brother I think rogue or renegade maybe a term that gives it a little bit more class than than it really earliest but I do think it's along that lines. I think what probably happened is that Paul was caught up in what seems to be endemic corruption in the FSB in the police force and we've seen that over the last couple of months has been monitoring Russian news. You see a number of cases where FSBA officers have been arrested or ejected from the forest for a variety of corruption and crime so I mean that seems the most likely to be an keystone cops. I think that they were left with egg on their face when they thought they head coach big fish as a as Paul is referred to it. He's they thought he caught a big fish and they didn't. They had someone who really doesn't know anything and for those of you that are new to this podcast. Here's here's how all of this started. Let's go back to January of two thousand nineteen our first conversation with David Leland on December twenty second Paul flew into to Moscow he was visiting to participate in a wedding an American friend of his a former Marine like Paul with having a wedding ceremony there and had brought over his American family and had asked Paul to attend the wedding as well since Paul had been to Russia a few times in the past and to help guide the Americans around the sites de eh you know help them to navigate Moscow so he was in the city he was doing some sightseeing he was visiting some friends and participating in this wedding party and then on the twenty eighth after having participated that morning in a tour of the Kremlin and armory with the people who are attending the wedding he he just disappeared he didn't attend the wedding which occurred that night and the groom attempted to contact him after the wedding was over and there was no response from which is extremely uncharacteristic so the groom reach out to us over the weekend. Let us know that he nobody had seen or heard from him since that Friday and and so we started looking to find out what information we could and on Monday morning on the twenty eighth we found I mean on the thirty first I found that he had been detained. I found a Russian ministry statements aimed at Paula had been detained for espionage and it's now been I guess almost ten days since he was detained at about a week since we were able to make contact with him at the Ford of a prison so now you learn about the fact that he was missing from on his friend and you learn about the Russian arrest from the Russian statement. How again did you come into that statement. How did you find that statement. I'm a librarian so I got up for seeing the morning and I got on the Internet and started searching for things like American killed in Moscow American car-crash Moscow that sort of thing and ah eventually came across the news wires that were reporting that he had been detained. What did you feel when you saw that a mixed emotions frankly we were glad I was glad and Italy contacted the rest of my family that he was alive. as far as we could tell so that was a positive thing but then then immediately you're hit with the I guess horror is the best word that some member of your family's been detained in Russia on charges that are obviously very serious yeah and and you know the story about his arrest allegedly being in a hotel room with somebody he was charged with espionage and supposedly was in that hotel room room with somebody and came into possession to the possession of a USB stick with classified information regarding people who are art or were part of the Russian intelligence or Military Services Jubilee Story do. I believe that he was in the possession of it. I I I could see how that might happen do I believe he was probably entrapped into having that in his possession. I think that's much more likely. I don't think Paul would have been the sort of person who would would have risked espionage or spying in Russia. Even the experts are very careful about that sort of thing in Paul Pollen to spy he's a tourist and so and even though he's risk-aware from his background in law enforcement and the military I don't think that he would have willingly knowingly accepted any sort of information that would have caused him to break the espionage act. Why do you think he he was essentially railroaded this way that I've been scratching my head and we've been surprised by some of the information that's come out about Paul's background we didn't know about his bad conduct discharge from the Marines for example and yet each a raucous turned over and we learned something new. I saw that the Russian media appears to be looking at his interest in tea glass holders on the trains and apparently had a collection of those 'cause you just find something that sounds more and more incredible that you know whoever this person is and I know him as my brother brother but obviously there's a lot I don't know about him. he's he's not a spy in terms of his traveled to Russia. There seems to be some concern on your part in terms of what's being reported about but you know there there have been reports that he traveled extensively in Russia but if I remember correctly I think you said in a correspondence a couple of days ago today. Being the ninth of January Twenty nineteen that to your knowledge has only been there two or three times yes in fact. We've been able to find a couple more times but I think it's only still ah five or six that we've been able to confirm and we're still looking to see in case he had been there more often but for me. That's not many or significant when you consider that over the last thirty years he's he's traveled extensively too many many different countries to within Europe to our relatives in the UK he's been to India. He's been to believe he's been to Japan. I know he's been to Korea so I mean he's he's really traveled very extensively and so the the focus on his Russian trips and portraying him as some sort of if russophile just seems very different from the the the person I knew or even based on the activities that he was doing that I would have considered labeling him yeah. There's a lot that confirms in corroborates what you're saying about your brother including this development the other day where we learned that that he had several different passports a US passport a British passport a Canadian passport in Irish and you know some have tried to some people not very well educated about spying have tried to weave that into this idea that he might have had had those passports for those reasons but the story is very different isn't it it is I think if he had four passports under four different names and heads sort of secreted them in some sort of case. I guess maybe that would be so Jason Bourne spying but Paul and I were born in Canada to British parents and so we were born with two passports in two citizenships my parents had emigrated from Britain and my Dad's dad had emigrated from Ireland to Britain so when Paul emigrated to America he was able to naturalize allies he wanted to do that in order to be to work in law enforcement he naturalized and so he got his third citizenship that way and then when when the Irish changed a law that allowed grandchildren to get an Irish passport. He just thought it would be. I think a way to honor his heritage but th there's it's all in his own name he hasn't done anything peculiar except except perhaps to people who only have maybe one pass border or maybe only to to have four may seem strange for very you haven't that is the back story on the end of the latest information and just to recap Paul whalen is still in Russian custody. He was injured recently. has a hernia cornea issue. We're not sure if he's going to have to have surgery or not. There is still great concern among his family members about his treatment there and the risk or the possibility ability that he could get into confrontation with a guard that appears to be spoiling for a fight with him also what will happen with his case. The government seems to be putting it off the FSB seems to be unwilling to drop the charges even though they have no evidence based on what we know that he he was engaged in any kind of espionage. The bright spot here. Is that his sister Elizabeth is going to be in Washington to generate some support in Congress grison amongst the American public for Paul and perhaps put some pressure on the US government to help deal with with the situation a bit better. We'll continue continue to follow it and next week. We'll bring you an update after we sit down with Elizabeth Wayland. Thank you as always for listening to target USA. 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"This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard, get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast from NPR and WB. You are. I'm Lisa Mullins. I'm Robin young. It's here now, President Trump and congressional leaders of both parties will meet in the White House this afternoon to try to end that government shutdown now in its twelfth day. This has some Democrats are chomping at the bit to take on the Trump administration in the house, which they will control starting tomorrow. So will there be investigations calls for impeachment or compromise over the weekend? Senator Lindsey Graham floated the idea of going back to former a compromise immigration legislation proposing a path to citizenship for the dreamers DACA recipients in exchange for wall funding. Well, if there is chomping at the bit on the part of Democrats, let's hear. From the man holding at least some of the rains, Massachusetts, congressman Jim McGovern, the Democrats slated to become the house rules chair one of the most important positions in the house congressman McGovern. Welcome. I'm happy to be with you. Let's go to the shutdown and questions about the border wall. I you have been vocally against it. You said you haven't seen a wall that couldn't be climbed over or dug under? But do you agree with Politico's reporting that most Democrats now are against accepting even some DACA reform a path to citizenship safe for young immigrants? Brought here for a wall funding, which was the old deal last year. Are you another Democrats against that? It will first of all I want to help the DACA recipients. And I want to help those with temporary protected status. We ought to find them a pathway to citizenship, but we had not be blackmailed into providing protection. And that's what the president tried to do in the past. And I think some suggesting he do it again in the future. Doesn't look like it's the Democrats who won't compromise. Well, first of all we did not accept their deal a year ago because it really wasn't the protection for DACA recipients that we had expected and it did nothing to help temporary protected status. And if you have billions and billions and billions of dollars to throw away. I mean, I'll tell you. I I want you to invest that money in rebuilding our country. The Boorda walls would across tens of billions of dollars. That's that's just that's insane. I measures Democrats are expected to pass tomorrow. When your party takes moving house is the set of rules you've written for passing legislation in the new congress there things like three days to read a Bill. So you actually get to read it bills have to be considered in committee. You've said you told WBRC Bob oaks that you want to be more bipartisan than the house has been Yoon if you don't like an amendment you want to make sure that it gets hurt on the floor. But talk about investigations you've said things like corruption conflicts of interest overturning regulate. Nations on behalf of big donors. Can you give us some examples? Well, one is I mean, we ought to have the intelligence committee do a proper has to Gatien of the of the Russia scandal to we ought to look into whether or not this ministration is in violation of the emoluments clause. Whether there are conflicts of interest, whether the trunk families making money off of off of government policies jump in conscien- because you said that you think this whole shutdown people looking at not getting a paycheck is because of President Trump's personal problems. And we're reminded that just days before they were allegations that his charitable foundation is family charitable foundation was a personal piggy-bank. I believe that this whole shutdown is totally unnecessary. You know, there were seven appropriation bills that are involved in keeping the government running six of them are totally bipartisan, they, you know, they there's no controversy over them. And yet they're being held hostage over border wall. All so what we're suggesting is that we ought to move forward on all six of these appropriation bills. That's reopened those agencies on the controversial appropriations Bill, which is the department of homeland security. Let's open that up for a few weeks. And then we can continue to have this discussion with the president on the border wall. But most of this is not controversial. I think the president deliberately you know, was itching for a shutdown to be able to divert attention away from all the scandals that have emerged as ministration one example of overturning relation because of big donors. I mean, I I look at everything in Environmental Protection Agency. I mean, making it easier for polluters to pollute weakening regulations on pesticides. I mean, these are all big donors to knowledge of the president. But to the Republican party this pay to play stuff has to stop. We're going to change that. And we're gonna hold this administration accountable, and we're gonna hold members of congress accountable as well. I mean, some of the rules changes that that that we're proposing involve members of congress not being able to serve on publicly. Traded boards. I mean, we have been example of a member of congress. She'll get in trouble for inappropriate behavior while he was serving on a board. So we're not leaving the White House to kind of we're holding members of congress accountable as well. A couple of things someone say, maybe you need to be held accountable for one of the rules changes which is making it harder for the house to remove speaker. Why do you need to protect Nancy Pelosi? Well, believe it or not that's kind of a bipartisan proposal because when the Republicans were in charge one of their frustrations was that a small minority could basically paralyze by constantly trying to challenge. The speaker. Look, we ought not to be empowering small groups of renegades who have no interest in running the government but try but only want to cause chaos. I have to ask you about impeachment in the possibility you voted twice to send impeachment to the judiciary committee, where do you stand on that in your neural? Look, I mean, I think this president isn't abomination I think he's an embarrassment. The corruption the erotic behavior see corruption when you say corruption, I mean, that's quite a charge. So how well I mean. I shall much of what he is doing is in enriching himself in his family from his Trump hotel here in Washington where every tin horn dictator in the world, you know, when they visit Washington spends, you know, spends their time they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean that's corruption that the stuff going on with his charity. I mean, all the investigations going on I can go on and on and on. But here's the deal and the issue of impeachment that has to be a bipartisan decision, there aren't the votes in the Senate, and I don't want to spend a lot of time focusing on impeachment. My focus is going to be on what we can get done and what we can accomplish for the American people and for my constituents. Jim mcgovern. The democrat who is the incoming house rules chair concrete McGovern. Thanks so much all the best an American named Paul Whalen continues to be held in custody in Russia. He was detained days ago on charges of espionage is family insists that he's not a spy. Here's his twin. Brother. David Whelan talking with Canada's CBC news. There's no chance that the Russians are making an accurate accusation paula's a law enforcement background. Here's a marine he has worked in corporate security in his very aware of both the rule of law and the risks of travelling in countries that may have risks to travelers Paul Williams detainment comes just a couple of weeks after a Russian woman Maria booting, a pleaded guilty in the us to acting as Russian agent or joined now by NPR national security correspondent, Greg Mary. Hi, greg. Hey, lisa. So the man who was detained a Paul Whalen. What does his family say that he was doing in Russia, and what does Russia claim he was doing? Well, the family says he's been a regular traveler to Russia for more than a decade. And he went there for a wedding of an American friend who is marrying a Russian woman. This was he's made business and vacation trips there over the past decade, and this was a totally private visit according to his family he felt comfortable going. There wasn't really worried about it because he'd he'd made previous trip Newsom Russians. A, but when he didn't communicate last Friday, his his family got very worried and actually feared the worst. But then the Russian Russian security agency, the federal security service said that he had been picked up last Friday for spying activity. So that's that at least put them at ease that he was alive, but he's been in detention since then to Russian say spying activity are they providing any evidence. No, they're not. And that of course, makes it very impossible to judge whether that that claim has any merit or if there are other other reasons at play and and the. US has been fairly cautious in its response. So far as well. So the timing of this move is quite relevant here as you said it comes on the heels of the conviction of a Russian woman as an unregistered foreign agent in the United States. Russia says that conviction is unjust. These sort of tit for tat actions are not unusual. But I wonder if if the US believes that the Kremlin detained pulpy Lynn simply to get a bargaining chip or somebody say even a hostage. So the US government is not saying that. But it certainly this this possibility leaps to mind you look at the timing. Bhuttan pleaded guilty on December thirteenth. Putin was asked about this a week later on December twentieth. He claimed Russia would not us retaliation. But then just eight days later on December twenty eighth Wieland is arrested. And so it does raise the possibility that there is there may be some bargaining that will will take place at least that's what the Russians are hoping. But we don't have anybody in the US government saying that outright. Well, we do have his secretary of state Mike Pompeo saying that the United States will demand Huilan's immediate return. If the detention, quote is not appropriate. What do you make of that statement again a little bit of a cautious response thing? You know, they will the US wants to see if these charges are valid, and then then will demand is return, if they're not now, what Pompeo also said was that he expected US diplomats in Moscow to see a wheel we Lynn as they're entitled to and we have heard preliminary reports from the Russian media that that has happened hasn't been confirmed yet from the US side, but we we certainly are expecting that that may provide a little bit more clarity about where this is headed as the new year begins, Greg. I wonder how you would describe the relationship between the US and Russia now, and what has been considered kind of bromance between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Yeah. Those are almost two separate things the relationship between the US. Russia is bad and getting worse. And I think this incident just plays into this. Larger narrative of continued fractions of both sides pushing back against one another on the other hand, President Trump does not criticize the Russian leader that something is not done throughout his time in office, and he's refrained from commenting in this case. So again, almost sort of two separate narratives taking place there in q. Today and tomorrow, we'll be waiting in the roiling waters of the women's March, the nonprofit that inspired millions worldwide to protest the Trump administration the day after the president's inauguration. The next protest day is January nineteenth. But there will be two major organizing groups because of a split between the founding mothers, reportedly based on anti-semitism as reported by Farah Stockman in the New York Times early on black activist to meek Mallory and Latino activists Carmen Perez told organizers, Vanessa ruble, who is Jewish that Jews need to confront their own role in racism and later, they pointed to Jews playing a large role in the slave trade and rubel says that's partly why she was forced out of the group now in one line in the times report to make a Mallory says, she didn't make those antisemitic statements, and we'll hear from her tomorrow. But meanwhile, the perception of a schism was underscored this week when an offshoot of Mallory screw postponed, the women's March in Eureka, California. Saying there were too few women of color in the leadership there. Let's start. Our look with Vanessa ruble, now founder of the group March on Vanessa welcome. Thanks, thanks for having me and Farah Stockman reported in the New York Times that early on in the first organizing meetings in two thousand seventeen you said something like, you're Jewish. Heritage inspired your activists work and both to make a Mallory of who was black and Carmen Perez Latino said what to you? So what I was trying to say at that moment was part of the way I come to this work is understanding my own history. Obviously Jews have a long history of persecution and understanding specifically the holocaust. Really made me feel like I need to fight on behalf of other people who are being oppressed and marginalized and hurt by the majority society, and that I think is what I was trying to express in that conversation. You know, I it's not unique to me to feel that way, you know, to Coon alum repair the world is a Hebrew saying you saw the certainly in the civil rights movement. There were many many Jews involved and at the forefront fighting on behalf of the black population. And all of that is something that I'm proud of. And I think that what likely happened in that conversation is that they took that to mean that I was acquainting Jewish struggles. With. Struggles of black and Latino communities in the US, which is really really comparing apples to oranges. Well, we're gonna have a chance to ask me what she heard in your saying. But is it true that they both replied that Jews need to confront their own role in racism, and that even later there was something of a, you know, shouting match between you in which she said that you people meaning Jews controlled money, hold all the wealth. So it's hard to remember the exact words of what we're said. I don't actually remember them saying we'll Jews to confront their own privilege because I certainly would have agreed with that statement. What I remember what I was taken aback by was the idea that Jews were specifically involved in predominantly involved in the slave trade and that Jews make a lot of money off of black and Brown bodies. And those were the statements that I remember, and and and similar things were repeated sort of throughout our organizing together. And by the way, it was every Harmon of white woman who happened to be there who again told fair Stockman in the New York Times that things were said like you people meaning Jews hold all the wealth. Look, this is a an incredibly sensitive topic. Do you think that this is why you were? Pushed out of the group both Mallory in Perez deny that I think that there were certainly other complex. I think that that was one piece of it. And I think that probably that initial conversation set in motion a series of events in which they wanted to sideline minimize truly my central role in organizing it I mean, I was the person who put together the team was building out the departments. I was certainly behind much of the strategy. And I think that for whatever reason they really wanted to minimize my role. Now, I will say that to certain extent, I was okay with that. I do believe marginalized people should be centered. And I think that doesn't happen often. So to certain extent, I was okay with being in the shadows. But I think that there's a difference between making room for other people and being completely made invisible. Later to make a Mallory was also criticized for tending rally with Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the nation of Islam who is variously antisemitic. He said in the fall, he's not anti-semites anti termite. He said in the past Jews have infected the whole world with poison and deceit. I mean, there's no question there her backers, including Linda, Sarsour, the Palestinian activists point out, it's complicated for to make a her son's father was murdered seventeen years ago, the nation of Islam Plato and important role in raising the boy that group has also helped inner city families. But is it true that you were concerned in voicing concern that anti-semitism was infecting the women's March movement? So let me start by saying that I do think the issues around the nation of Islam are incredibly complex. I think that you can understand Farrakhan is hateful and very dangerous. And you can understand that the nation of Islam has done very good work within the black community. And I think that that is very fraud. You know, this stuff didn't come up. The Farrakhan stuff really didn't come up until after I'd already left what I was concerned about during the March was the appearance of aligning ourselves with a group that was known to be antisemitic, and how that could shatter very very vulnerable coalition. My sense was that if the nation of Islam were to provide security, the Jewish community could see that as highly problematic. You know? And I think Linda made the point that the nation of Islam provides great security, and they protect all lives, and and I absolutely believe that. But nevertheless, the optics of it. We're not good. We're not. Okay. And and that is what I warned them about the fair. Con stuff really emerged after I left and enraged a whole lot of people. And I was actually very shocked because I would have thought they would immediately distance themselves from that. And I just don't think they did that in a way that was ever satisfactory to the people who are being maligned. Well, of course into the mix came the horrific massacre at the tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh, and so feeling for very very raw at that point. But again, Linda, Sarsour, the Palestinian activists posted a piece in which he noted that and understood how feeling to a raw she said her. Group raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to bury the victims of of that shooting. But she also pointed out it was a white supremacist who carried that out. And that this splintering of the women's movement is exactly what white supremacists want. Meanwhile, there are now two major organizations where there was one. Are you worried that there might be a perception that women's March ink is led by women of color and focused on diversity and your group March on is focused on anti-semitism and largely white and women feeling that they have to choose what I would just say, that's an absolutely false dichotomy March on is incredibly diverse coalition that chairman of our board is a woman named Jackie algae who has been a longtime organizer and the real matriarch of marshawn, and we have an incredibly diverse board and we've been very intentional about this. And we've been doing the very very hard work to be radically. Inclusive and we're not perfect. But I think we've really achieved the start of that. And so I think that the media painting this as one group for women of color and one group for white women is just incredibly false. And I think it's also very dangerous each this t- think Vanessa maybe a splinter that's needed to be worked at and gotten out for fifty years. Now, I mean women of color in the sixties felt they were left out of the women's movement. Then. Well, that's exactly why I specifically reached out to women of color to come help lead this movement. I knew that if this movement was led by a bunch of white women and a bunch of white women only marched on Washington. It would be a disaster for our country. You know, my original vision was look the men have really screwed up our country. Look where we are. Now can the women rise above women of every for lack of a better word tribe in this country? Can we rise above and say, look, we're not going to be best friends overnight because there's a lot of distrust. But can we work on this together? Because we have a common enemy is the answer. No, do I don't think that's the answer. At all. I think that this work is really hard work. And I think this is part of the really hard work. And that's what's being done right now. We can't come together as a coalition. And learn about each other. If we have these underlying feelings and misconceptions about groups of people, and if we can come to a better place than this has been alternately a good thing. That's a ruble. The activists who helped start the women's March. She's since left that group her group is March on but NASA, thanks so much for talking to us. Absolutely. And again, we'll hear tomorrow from to make a Mallory of the women's March. This message comes from here now sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. An American health worker who may have been exposed to the Abol of virus in Congo has been admitted to a healthcare facility in Nebraska, the male doctor arrived in the US over the weekend. He's being monitored for symptoms of A Bola. The outbreak in Congo. Peers to be the second largest on record. There are more than six hundred confirmed cases Helen Branchville covers infectious disease and public health for staff the health and medicine publication. Helen, what do we know about this physician? This is a gentleman of physician who has been working in a missionary hospital in northeastern DRC his in a place called Nian day. He had some type of exposure to somebody who had a bullet and died very quickly after arriving at the hospital. He was working in. And the thinking was that he was somebody who needed to be watched and monitored over the coming days. And that's what's happening. Now. He's been evacuated to Nebraska as we know and he's being monitored there. But he's not yet a patient because he's not sick. Why of all the health facilities where you could have gone has he gone to those Nebraska medical center. What would does the center off to offer ever ask is one of the centers, which in twenty fourteen took a number of A Bola patients, you you will recall during the west African it. Bill outbreak several American physicians who were working in west Africa were infected and brought home for care as was a cameraman who'd been working for NBC. Several of them were treated at Nebraska. So it is one of the places that has expertise in caring for a bowl of patients the United States. And in fact, some of those patients lived in some died. This is not an easy thing to try once somebody experiences the symptoms of A Bola to be able to cure them. But I. Stand. There are drugs that are being tested right now. How successfully. Clinical trials started in earlier in the fall, and it's going to take quite a while to get answers on what is working and what works best it's thought that they improve survival chances. But the really isn't a lot of data on that right now, I have checked with the Nebraska medical center. And they've told me that if this man does become symptomatic they do have access to the experimental therapies and may use them if needed Helen if he does become symptomatic how much more alarming does this case. Become in terms of the potential spread of Bulla, obviously would be very very concerning for him and his family in the organization for which he works in terms of the prospect of spread in the United States. I would not think it would be high the purpose of these Biocontainment units that Nebraska and Emory and couple of other places have is very much to be able to offer care without. Posing risk to the general population. So anybody who goes into those units would be going in, you know, in what looks like a spacesuit, essentially fully gown glowed wearing face masks, all sorts of layers of equipment, and you know, special air filters on the room. It wouldn't be a risk to the general public. Helen Branchville senior writer for stat. Thank you very much. Thank you. As new lawmakers are born into congress tomorrow the seat representing North Carolina's ninth district will be empty because of evidence of vote tampering scheme in the midterm race. For that seat. Democrats are taking over the leadership in the house and say they won't seat the Republican candidate Mark Harris who got nine hundred more votes than his democratic opponent democrat eighty because of the scandal over how some of those votes were collected. Meanwhile, the state election board charged with investigating the scandal has been ordered by a panel of judges to dissolve because of a case having nothing to do with the scandal. Few rusty Jacobs politics report of a WNYC is in Chapel Hill, high rusty. Hi, Robyn, and we've talked about this scandal allegations from voters that a nice lady came to their house and said she'd fill out their absentee ballots that lady is the stepdaughter of Leslie McRae, Dallas political contractor working for Harris, the Republican do we know how far the board God in the investigation. Did candidate Harris? No, for instance. Well, congressman or I should say I'm so I- candidate. Mark Harris says he didn't know there were any proprieties. He did has said that he did. In fact, higher Dallas that he was steered towards Dallas by state and county Republicans who claimed that Dallas was very effective at getting in harvesting Republican or I should say harvesting absentee ballots in helping with that effort Harris lost a primary in two thousand sixteen to a candidate who got most of the absentee ballots in bladen county in his favor working with McRae, Dallas. So he knew that Dallas was effective at helping with absentee ballots. He says he did not know that he was engaged in any kind of impropriety. And so this board that had been investigating. I'm presuming we don't know what conclusions. They met may have come to write. And now they've been ordered to dissolve because of another case, correct. So without without making this too convoluted back in. Two thousand sixteen just before democrat governor ROY Cooper took office. The Republican controlled legislature rewrote, the law governing the ethics board and the elections board. And they rewrote it to that. They had more power on appointing members to that board governor Cooper challenge that in court last October, a three judge panel in Wake County determined that the makeup of the board was in fact, unconstitutional and would have to be dissolved they ex- they stayed that ruling giving the board time to complete its investigation after the board delayed the hearing that we're expecting on January eleventh about the improprieties in the congressional district. Ninth congressional district. They decided that it was time to dissolve the board. We are now without aboard. We are not without a staff though, investigators legal counsel who are still continuing to look into possible improprieties. But are we without a hearing? Because as you said it was scheduled for the eleventh, all I can tell you is the spokesman for the North Carolina. The state elections board has said that the staff continue. News to work as if there will be a hearing on the eleventh. But certainly there cannot be determination. Whether there is enough evidence to warrant a new election without aboard in place. I will tell you that governor were Cooper is standing by his or his staff's legal analysis that what should happen is the law should revert to a twenty fifteen law that predates the unconstitutional law. That says there will be a five member board made up of appointees by the governor. He is trying to get that in place in time for this January eleventh elect January eleventh hearing, right, but if there is a new election state law requires that there has to be a new primary as well. So is it possible that Republicans could decide replace Mark Harris with an entirely new candidate? It's certainly possible. And there are people out there who will say that report state Republicans have determined that Mark Harris, whether he did no or not is just too toxic that being said, a high profile Republicans Robert pittenger, the current incumbent who who lost the primary Tamar Carris this go round says. He will not run. Again. Pat, Mkhori former governor has his own talk radio program in Charlotte says he will not run again. I tell you a new one you said rusty a few seconds ago not to get too convoluted. I'm sure a lot of listeners yelled out too late because this is so complicated. It doesn't change the balance in the house because the Democrats, you know, have taken over the leadership what's doing people there in the ninth district as you see there's a cloud of uncertainty as thick as p soup. I mean, really for the people who live in that district. Everybody in that district and people outside the district. You're saying look this has been going on for years. One of the interesting things to come out of this investigation is that the the state elections board staff the executive director in two thousand seventeen reached out to the US attorney's office the eastern district saying we've heard about improprieties in bladen county, just where all this is supposedly taking place in the two thousand sixteen you think it should be looked into. Nobody did anything about it. So a lot of people are saying these are problems they should have been solved a long time ago. WINCE's rusty Jacobs. Thank you. You're welcome. There are those who love music and those who obsess over it. The obsessive are the ones you'll find hunched over the stacks of vinyl LP's forty fives. And yes, even CD's at record shows around the country, the shows are going on somewhere nearly every week of the year from Wayne New Jersey to Madison Wisconsin to San Antonio, Texas. 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I've been doing almost as long as the show has been running. So that's why have this front table space. And I just bought some records before the show started. So I'm additioning some of them, and you're listening these on a genuine nukem solid state Forty-five player. So what's the forty five year spending their now, this is the Villette sisters on MGM one two nine two eight some girl group I gave him back. His ring is the title here. I wanted to check out. Spinning the disks at the New England compact disc and record expo by the way. The website grew vinyl offer some advice if you're a newcomer to the record show seen arrive early feel free to haggle over the price tag and bring along bag for your stash because flipping through vinyl is a two hand job. The sub Ramallah temple in the Indian state of Carolis ancient Hindu shrine. It's long been off limits to women between the ages of ten and fifty last year, India's Supreme Court overturned that ban. But right wing protesters continued to block women from entering the shrine yesterday to women sneaked in the BBC's, Jill mcgivering following the story, you'll give some context wise it so significant that these women entered the temple these women who trying to excise a right to worship this high profile shrine is one of the best known in India, and they would given that right in a ruling by the supreme court last three months ago, but ever since groups of women have been going to the shrine trying to enter it trying to wish it on. They've been stumped by protesters. Now, the protesters basically hotline traditional conservatives Hindu groups who think that this is shrine that should be maintained. Sacred. They think tabu for women of menstruating age of childbearing age to enter it. And they're angry about the court ruling that define it by saying you think the right on paper. But when not allowing you in this is basically been going on for a while. And then finally these two women who will activists in Neff OT's people who had previously tried to go the gym in daylight to excise right by worshiping the shrine this time, they went in undercover of dumbness traditionally wearing black heads covered on the used a less known entrance to the they were going slightly secretly. Nobody knew it was happening until afterwards when the videos of that worshiping the shrine where released now to get there. It's not an easy truck. I mean, the shrine is up on a pretty steep hill. So they presumably had a difficult time getting there, and they could actually make entry once they were at the top at the approach. Yes. They seem to have the temple of a little by surprise. They say that there were other pilgrims who would gathered there. On the sacred step toy to go in. They say that the other people who were there. Steve OT's didn't respond to them. They didn't seem to mind. But certainly since news has broken the entered the shrine and worshipped there we've had priest the temple who've carried out a cleansing ritual because they consider that the that the win wash the wasn't impurity and they've tried to to clean cleanse the shrine. And then we've had also hard right group. So very angry that they've been who've been protesting they've been blocking highways they've been lobbying outside the state parliament buildings on there have been clashes with police water cannon and take s and so on his part of that. They also calling a major strike for tomorrow and saying that that protest and not going to stop. There is a also another factor in here. This very interesting. I think that there was a claim that the two women are transgender in that is apparently not the case if it were the case, though, their presence would have been allowed. It would we had. An example last month when for the first time since oil this issue was reignited since the supreme court ruling in September. Some transgender women went on prayed, and they want stopped. Basically, the police were a little anxious about it and initially had because they were concerned about the being any any protest or any violence had denied permission for the transgender women to go. But in fact, when they discussed it with the temple artists that we have no problem with that on traditionally transgender women how being allowed the issue tends to focus on the issue of menstruation. So we'll though we see broadly as the issue of women on this were transgender women who went and saw though it very are visit visually female, but they won't menstruating and not seem to be the key issue. The impurity and the tabu surrounding menstrual blood and menstruation being fertile being of childbearing age. All these things seem to be the the issue is, of course, offense to the conservatives and for those who are. Are on the side of of the women who did make entry to the temple. There is yesterday may be paid to picture for us. But a massive counter protest with women across Carola forming a three hundred eighty five mile long human chain. Yes. That was quite an extraordinary site. I've seen some of the footage of that of all these women standing shoulder to shoulder as you say extraordinary stretch of brightly colored Sarah's an under determined women that which policy organized by the the state government. And not surely, there's also quite interesting political dimension to this because we've got a state government in Carola, which is led by a leftwing communist party and the chief minister, and that policy of being very supportive of the women, and they continually said they have the right to wash it. I have this right? Given to them by the supreme court on the conservatives cannot stop them from doing that. But many of the hotline conservatives are part of a different political party, the J P, and they are also in power nationally and India on about to go. To national elections and a few months time. So there's a broad resonance tool this debate, as well, what happened to the women who who went into the temple where they know. They have spoken to the media since all this news broke. But I think there's also a sense of anxiety about this security because then name's been released on I understand. They all receiving police protection. At the moment. There's also a slightly broader show, of course, that had been people who supported the women who hoped that soon as the first women manage to enter the temple, it might create a precedent that allow other women to take their rights and to follow that doesn't seem much sense of that it's hard to imagine the sort of conservative hotline is at the moment who seems so enraged by the fact that this happened allowing any other women to follow in the footsteps anytime soon. Thank you very much the BBC's. Jill mcgivering things. Thank you hear now is a production of NPR in WB. You are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Lisa Mullins. I'm Robin young. This is here now.
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"Oh Jeez president trump says the US is out let someone else fight over this long blood state sand trump wants to patrol Russia and Turkey or trying to carve out space northern Syria descend back Syrian refugee I'm Marco Werman and this is the world in Syria Isis fighters and their supporters are being held there in prisons and detention camps the American troops there out here's president trump speaking earlier today now in Turkey sending back to their country at the same time both Turkey and Russia want Kurdish forces out and Kurdish civilians fear they will not term we're using hopefully that's own will become safe thousands and thousands of people have been killed in that zone over the years the zone is being weapons sending their fight the jets etc so for Putin it's part of it's Global Strategy to make Russia great day an alphabet soup of fighters the Syrian regimes military has also entered the area Kurdish forces and civilians are under attack being forced out of north let someone else fight over this long blood stayed sand it seems a quick mental map is in order here I'm going or peaceful and stable area between Turkey and Syria including a twenty mile wide safe zone an interesting term safe zone that's the divided between the Turks on the one hand and the Russian back Syrian regime forces on the other the zone is also where Turkey ultimately wants to place millions of Syrian refugees frankly for people to try to come to this country lawfully and one woman on finding a husband who shares her Zoroastrian faith it is a tough numbers game some of them are gays we begin today with the fighting in northern Syria Turkish military on the ground Russian military to then there are the various militias the SDF and the right along Turkey's border with Syria a so called safe zone has been established that runs nearly three hundred miles all the way to the Iraqi border we're achieving a much more he's safe in the so-called safe zone what happens next is hard to say a lot will depend on Russia Russia's studied it's official involvement in Syria in two thousand Vertu three countries Syria Turkey and Iraq Syria and Iraq are side by side Syria to the west of Iraq Turkey sits atop both of them you with me so far ossoff diplomacy because example negotiations between Turkey cords and Syria will held on the Russian military base Russia hopes to get certain economic contracts not come for free Russia is hoping to get something in exchange they already have the management basis in Syria and from tiny spots on the map these president trump says this conflict in Syria it's far away it's an endless war he wants Americans out of it he says it's just a bunch of Sand Putin see Mr Weird some of them are just you got one left and then they're probably taking I'm Marco Werman those stories and more today here on the world from Mr Assad in Russia managed to show the best of its armament in Syria now they have a lot of deals with many countries around the world selling he's more than sand why well you know at some point rush started asking exactly the same question it's wore our guys are dying each too far away true basis have already grown into something really huge this Russian Cossack would say in the Middle East because now they have become not only military bases have become what's what's the point but unlike Mr Trump Mr Putin has huge a state media force and he's using these state media to tell Russians that as long term vision for being in Syria in the mid east loss was to be an influential player in the Middle East in order to do that he needs some allies both were fighting terrorism away from Russian border so the terrorists won't come to our homes that's what he's saying to Russians at home and what is eighteen so quite a while ago that's Oga if she you know with the BBC's Russian service she says Russia has been helping Syrian president but Sharia Law said but the support does not part of bigger strategy to establishing Russia as influential global player but since freshman economists doing great he can't sort of fall over he has guys on the ground he has influence over Assad and he used that to negotiate with Turkey now my understanding is that Russia and Turkey were on opposite and he's got one Bashar Assad and now he's showing that he's ready to support his allies despite all the odds and he's ready to support them both using fullest the Chinese way he's has found his way he gets involved in various crisis all over the world for example now he's also very active in Africa he becomes influential that sides of the Syria conflict but yesterday Putin met with their two one and they struck this deal over Syria they seemed friendly what what is going on well festival the tree and informatics that's exactly what he has done this week helping Mr Awesome and why does Putin want to be an influential player in the mid east well for him it was a tough talk at the same time if you look at Turkey Russia relations you know over a period of time they have always managed to find common language strong and sort of to play the game despite power of Washington this thing is for them is more important than some other problems which take them upon so what if Putin becomes incredibly powerful in the Middle East should that be a concern for Washington well I don't think Russia can all negotiations weren't easy fast it was said that press conference for take one so meaning negotiations with lost roughly two hours they lasted seven hours which quickly I think for them for both Aragon and Putin thinks which unites them they desired to oppose Washington they're designed to be and then he uses this individual cases as figures on the chance ball to play his game that's exactly what's happened this week with took a for example he's involved in Syria you want when in two thousand fifteen Turkey shutdown Russian fighter jets even one Russian ambassador was killed in Turkey unbelievable they're still managed to find common language largest human trafficking investigations this is thirty nine individuals who undoubtedly left their country on the promise of a better life vehicle came from Bulgaria the driver is from Northern Ireland and the truck is believed to have entered the UK from Belgium little else is known police cautioned that this will be a long and thank you a horrific mystery unfolded this morning east of London the bodies of thirty nine people were discovered in a truck container officials say they believe the in the UK and we need to identify them in order to trace their families in foam them and then eventually repatriate about it Lena different countries different legal systems different levels of police in those countries where victims of human trafficking typically from lost complex investigation but to Bernie grab it the tragedy displays all the signs of human trafficking gravity is a former senior police officer in London who has led some of Europe's opinion that doesn't really matter who's in the Middle East you know they'll sort it out it does not what is important so that no one gets extremely powerful as long as there are certain players Africa Morocco Tunisia and then be placed on boats and they'll drive across with that they'll land in Europe breath now that he's just tippety iceberg because we know there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of victims who have not been Bilbao was don't broker a deal and unite against someone else I don't I don't see any huge dangerous in that I mean that answer does give a little fuel to trump's thirty nine people dead inside twenty survivors but it speaks of the pressure of migration as well how has migration from all parts of the world into Europe and ultimately for many people into the UK how's that affected human trafficking to the UK in recent years is definitely lead to an increase economic change does affect trafficking retirement scenarios never prove themselves to be peaceful or beneficial for the others all if you know with the BBC's Russian service thank you very much we legally so generally if you'll from the African continent the traffic will take the victims up to the coastline on the Mediterranean Sea in contacted engaged or identified in UK data the largest number of victims Jay was from Albania the second largest group with countries as to what is going to be taken for instance victims of trafficking from within the European Union simply put on a low cost airline I I mean how easy is it to get to the bottom of these tragedies is it days weeks months years simply put years alm Vietnam but they just once we find so what would a typical trafficking route be like it depends on where the walls children being trafficked in hundreds and we had one listed by two thousand children from one village alone who was simply traffic to beg instead a named be picked up from the majority will continue in trucks and cars if you'll come in from Vietnam the traditional route is because conflict affects trafficking so you have groups of people who simply have lack of access to education or work who want to move the economic reasons I think the possibility of peace is high than compared to the scenario there is only one influence or who can do whatever they want you should keep that in mind but I I don't think it's incredibly dangerous because the other point Sephora as well as Iran is quite torrential techies quite influential as long as a country of Ukraine before they were on drugs brought to the guy so I think of that truck in Texas a couple of years ago found in a walmart parking lot with in two thousand eighteen we identified six thousand nine hundred thirty free potential victims a NI- came from one hundred and fifty countries from Vietnam with flame to Russia they were forced to work in a factory for no pay for three months and then ten of them will to cross the entire Um you know the only answer in the snow that's unrealistic scenario but truth already is at it's one of the very important and I think of course historic communists connections with Russia victims of flown to Russia I the Hobbit Day for about three months negotiations about almost journeys takes place shops indices recruiters young men will go out engage young women pretend to be the boyfriend promise the majority in a hotel in a Yukai they don't have the wherewithal documents to travel so they will either negotiate with smugglers if they have some money but more often than not mounting a thousand times slower than Google you're with the world I'm Marco Werman looking at transnational trafficking human trafficking is a crime against the president can be done internally but it becomes very much more complicated when you look I put in trucks a name the victims end up in any European country will the UK I've one case where a group of victims I have a lot of control over their device it shows that have low error rates John Oppenheim studies quantum theory at University College London he was not part of the project it's nothing near the ends of precision which we would need in order to have a full scale quantum computer that's decades away but it's really impressive machine in it's it's really interesting milestone the study is on human trafficking thank you for being with us today thank you mark quantum supremacy that's computer speak for speed quantum supremacy isn't it the team says their machine ran a calculation in two hundred seconds it would have taken a conventional supercomputer ten thousand years to do that it's an interesting test it shows that world Iran is banned from international judo competition indefinitely. This week's decision comes after what went down at the judo world championships in August and in the journal Nature a rival team at IBM said Google is exaggerating its claims they believe they could solve the problem in two and a half days not bad still if you're lucid mountaintop and computer science today an international team of scientists say it's reached the summit their project called Sycamore and his run on Google hardware but once they have entered into that agreement traffic is not honorable people and then they're exploited for years to come and we the matchup never happened the Israeli went onto win gold fair and square but the announcement today that Iran is banned from international competition ways on soggy. mookie Kyo Iranian authorities told they're defending world champion side Moulehi to withdraw if he kept on winning he might face an Israeli soggy mookie. US dollars now the victim doesn't have that money so the traffic is obviously sight well don't worry when you're working you can pay us back a piece of a time in Europe and flying to the UK normally on their documents but when we start looking at countries be only you then they have to enter a night will arrange the trials and the not young woman has been deceived investigation. I ran between two thousand seven and two thousand ten we've `Romania I know my heart is going full in had you competed against me before no no it's never happened it could happen twice this whole if it's trafficking the traffickers will recruit them from their homelands let's look at Romania the biggest recruitment zoning reminder at the moment is and he did not forfeit that semifinal match he he lost it I'm just wondering if you think he threw the match and what that must have felt like to be essential when you got to the podium to accept your gold medal was all of this on your mind I was very happy did they won a gold medal I won't so have for I've had many victims of trafficking end up dead beyond the circumstances of this journey that we say today Bernie grab is a former senior police officer in London who focuses on on the streets of Europe but some people go willingly so Vietnamese victims enter into a contract with traffickers and the price is twenty thousand facing young Zoroastrians their diaspora began a thousand years ago Zoroastrians fled from Iran to India in the tenth century to escape religious persecution. The the government posed them to lose purpose because they don't want to recognize is running for carpentry so it couldn't they come up and fight with me the SAGA MCKEE I hope you get that chance to fulfill your dream and compete against side me and Thank you for speaking with us really appreciate your time thank you thank you. In many religions there's often a desire to marry within the faith but what happens when your community is tiny and scattered around the world those are the problems after the migration continued to other countries so for many of them who want to find a match within their religion their best chance might be at this year's Zoro astronauts now most people know about it because of one of its most famous followers singer Freddie Mercury Indy Friends Christian friends seek friends that's out chas nine when she is from London has a successful career in finance and a busy social life I caught up with him at his home in the Tanya Israel and said because I know how I train to of the U. A. B. Stone many challenges yes I it was very good to know that the Fayed couldn't fight sits from it because they know how how the Trenton and how much he wanted I want a very went to change on they hope you is a kind person carrying good sense of humor and someone who's just down to Earth altered by national considerations you know I tried to focus on myself as an absolute I want to be the best in everyday every competition Tori I mean you want it to change but I mean you're also Israeli and you're representing your country or what was that like for you as an Israeli to have your competition unnaturally if you would compete one day against me and you win would that gold medal be more meaningful I have one will be but one thing is missing someone to share that all with why are you looking for in a guy I would say that I'm looking for someone who get to my goals to get my dreams to make it come true and when I lose wake remote than this Sosa than estates for it you'll be given that one minute after the ten minutes are done I'll ring a buzzer never activities like speed network so young Australians can get savell costumes spiritual experiences of faith but there's a problem there are fewer than two hundred thousands of Australians left in the fully instructed by your government not to face you in a final when he was a very this congress in Los Angeles the BBC's no Lena's Sivota Zain has a story of one woman from London. I always had the strong desire to have the restroom friends have Austrians Worship One god believe fire is sacred they're expected to marry within the faith and traditionally conversion hasn't been allowed Austrian partner is at the community's Youth Congress which is held every four years this year's Congress is taking place in La and chas name is heading and I just WanNa shake Zandt hugging and show the world the disposed is above every sin and we all you mean out a numbers are dwindling unpacking convulsive am different outfits one of the best ways Shah's name to me five hundred dollars plus add on costs for some of the social events the Congress doesn't come cheap early group of at least fifty percent of the parents are saying that you know what yes one is my kid wants to go and have fun for five days in La Halfway around the world or whatever but the hope always is that they're going to find somebody over there trump administration at the supreme court to protect a program that allows undocumented immigrants brought to the US as children to stay here that still ahead here on the world live in the forest boss but some things it's a worthwhile investment awesome Sam Wadia is one of the organizers of this year's event I think another border his own by collecting DNA from migrants coming here this is just another way for the administration to make it more expensive and more humiliating register you got one left and then they're probably taking many so Australians comes the US Congress for the Pool Parties and beach we've got one hundred of them left in the world half of them are women half of them are men than a half the men in my age range you've got ten left and some of them are gay some of them are weird some of them Ramirez has faced challenges before but this one is pretty big nowhere in my life and may narrative was there ever like you know one day I'm going to sue the president she's taking on the me it's more important that my happiness in the person's the white person for me it will happen when it happens and I have faith the BBC's Noelene Civitas on reporting there you're listening to the world a personal and I think when is an inspiration for people to be free men psyche. Mookie if you could the better than me but it's not just as name he's looking to find someone at the Youth Congress twenty-three-year-old shod then finding as the western partner is challenged appropriately. We've BECCA and I was already set for him I don't know if if you've had a chance to speak to me cincy moved to Germany but Chasmin isn't rushing into anything I feel like I've got to some degree like a responsibility towards of keeping restroom faith going by think suchet's main wants to marry someone who's also Austrian love my religion it's a way of life for me so that's something that I'd want to pass down onto any children I may have it works out and then they find spouse you know what's the price on that right I'm even though there's pressure on had to find as the western partner came to me hopefully in the final at the Olympic Games Doku Twenty twenty really dozen Multiple Renzo stage by Chas name Zoroastrianism one of the oldest religions in the world take advantage really I'm very proud to represent my country everywhere in the world and I will keep doing this and I know they run in parallel NPR X. Ukraine was again the focus on Capitol Hill today the big question did president trump inappropriately delay nearly four hundred million dollars in aid money. Yeah I'm Marco Werman you're with a world where a CO production of the BBC World Service W. Gbh Pri of Ukraine and we are never going to recognize the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia so that was a worry from the very beginning of the trump administration but it's into negotiations with President Putin and some of the European leaders about a cease fire and ratcheting down of hostilities in the East Ukraine could really portent note that Ukraine has a lot of other issues on the table that the United States ought to be there helping the new administration navigate presidents Alinsky is about to and cautious because president trump from the very beginning of his presidential election campaign in two thousand sixteen cast doubt about Ukrainian sovereignty essentially keeping keeping Russia at bay Also you know Ukraine plays an important role in the democratic development of the entire post-soviet space they have just had support for Ukraine especially over the past five years as it's been in conflict with Russia since the illegal annexation of Crimea that Russia carried out in two thousand fourteen at face value we've seen in Congress between what our career diplomats are appointees say and then what comes out of the White House added a lot of financial assistance not only military as is involved in this unraveling scandal but democratic support and we've also provided important retort cast doubt on whether Crimea should be a part of Ukraine or part of Russia and make no mistake US foreign policy says that Crimea is undoubtedly more than US benefits from Ukraine. Is that fair I mean how does Ukraine help the US I would Vehemently disagree with that I think Ukraine plays a really important role they have been one of the loudest voices on sanctions and have pressured the Europeans to keep those sanctions up most importantly that rhetorical support sends a signal to Russia that this Unilat- Terry support for that rhetorical support but I think what has changed is the the word of the United States can no longer be taken at Ncube has been one of friendship and support for the past thirty years the United States has been one of the loudest voices for Democratic Reform in Ukraine we've nefarious stuff going on between Washington and Kiev well in some ways it hasn't changed at all on the Ukrainian side because Ukraine continues to rely on the US for that Nina you're you're in touch with people on the ground in Ukraine what are they telling you about their reaction to this whole story I think Marco since the election of president trump they've been worried liberal changing of the borders of Europe for the first time since World War Two is not something that the international community is going to stand by abide it seems like Ukraine benefits from the US and one that until recently has never been called into question yes so what does this impeachment inquiry mean of for the relationship between the US and Ukraine this daily drumbeat of Really important election this presidential election that brought in Presidents Alinsky that many of my friends and colleagues in Russia and other former Soviet countries were saying when are we going to have crank testified as part of the impeachment inquiry against president trump stunning testimony according to many who were there you said on twitter at Nina that the testimony made you angry on election like that it's it's a role model for the rest of the space increasingly over the past five years and I think that's an important investment that the United States needs to make it in the security situation in Europe as as I mentioned before there's a hot war going on in Ukraine that has claimed thirteen thousand lives and they are Janko wits is the disinformation fellow at the Wilson Center as a Fulbright Fellow in Ukraine she advised the Ministry of Foreign Affairs she says for a long time the relationship between washing a US a helping hand and instead they're being dragged into our own political battles right now yesterday Bill Taylor the Charlotte affair the US embassy Weiser well you know I was inspired to apply for the Fulbright Fellowship that I did in two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen because of the protests on my done you know in two thousand fourteen hundred people were killed by snipers that the Kovic Administration put out there to try to quell the protests and since then you know thirteen two thousand people killed in this war ostensibly four democratic values for that right to self-determination so I went into my my work in Ukraine for those democratic values and they were bolstered by going to work every day with my Ukrainian colleague so when I look at ambassador Taylor's testimony I'm thinking about only the people whose lives are in danger because of that hold on the aid but I'm thinking about what that does to to their support for democratic values right they've been out there on the front lines Literally and figuratively for the past five years and the United States should be out there supporting former US marine was arrested late last year in Russia the House of Representatives passed a bill this week calling on Russia to either offer legitimate evidence of wrongdoing against that was Nina Janko wits with the Wilson Center she joined us from Washington Paul whalen is still in a Russian prison he's an American citizen accused of espionage them that is what our country was founded on and it's until recently guided our foreign policy in Ukraine and the rest of the post-soviet space and I'd like to see a return to that Leyland or release him waylon alleged crime he had a USB stick in his pocket that contained top state secrets from the Kremlin but where did that flash I've come from joining me now from Toronto is David Whelan He's Paul Whelan's twin brother have you been in touch with your brother not directly we haven't spoken for them to come back what is the latest you can share with us about his case we're really in a holding pattern the case hasn't changed very much from day one which is at final notes back and forth through his lawyers one of them speaks English and we send and receive letters and the turnaround time seems to be about two to three months for him to get them in two to three months the next step is with the trial what kind of support have you had from the US government on this it's been exceptional on the Moscow woody in the family has spoken with Paul since he was arrested so back in December of two thousand eighteen our communication for the most part goes through the consular visits we get a case this is what the charges are pause lawyer says that the evidence that they claim to have doesn't support the charges the FSP obviously thinks that they have a case so we're just waiting to see what evidence was that came out of that an indictment came up in September where now waiting until a trial is called but there's no real information about what happened what the evidence he goes through a cycle of two three month detention periods the detention periods of renewed there was apparently an investigation we don't know what they investigated or meant the food provided by the prison and they communicate with us regularly on a on a weekly basis we have a conference call with staff from Moscow so that's been great from the State Department side in you can work with there's been very little outreach from any of the Washington agencies and so that's a little bit more difficult so let's talk about what actually happened Washington and from the other agencies that we've been trying to work with it's been less supportive in that we have done most of the work ourselves and trying to find the people who the end the people at the consulate consular staff who go and visit Paul they do things like buy him food because the prisoners in Russian prisons are expected to the flash drive that Paul was handed he thinks he was set up by a friend in Russia why would a friend do that it's a good question this friend his name is Ilia yet yes and I think he had no idea that he would ever be put in this position by someone he trusted but this friend he's in Russia's domestic secret service why is your brother friend lot of bugaboos I guess even I wasn't expecting that the FSP would be entrapping American tourists just never would've occurred to me I expected them to be sort of the officers I mean it it just seems about the same sort of thing from Russia's perspective Paul was spy who spent years cultivating confidential sources with an agent of the FSBA the FSBA as I understand it as equivalent to the FBI so although we do that it's the successor to the KGB that obviously comes with perspective which is at Paul travelled to Russia about six times and ten years traveled to many other countries during that same time probably as many times to countries like England Anco he's an FSBA officer and he's in law enforcement and and Paul and he have known each other for ten years so he's been back and forth to Russia to to see Eli over the years in Russia and he was active on Russia's version of facebook of Kentucky and traveled there a lot so what do you see in those details well I see a very narrow the federal police and so I guess I don't see his friendship with an officer being any different than people who have friendships with FBI I just think it's a very narrow view and obviously it plays into the Russian story that he is a spy and unfortunately I think the Western media amplified that much as you do not believe the Russians charges against your brother is it fair to say that there are some things you might not know about Paul's life absolutely I'm not my brother's keeper so I mean you can obviously dry a story out along those lines but to suggest that that was all of his life that his whole focus was on developing Russian contexts because he was on vk espionage is just such Balderdash it's just incredibly fictional David Waylon the twin brother of Paul whalen the American who's been detained in Moscow for almost a year vacation a DNA sample if the trump administration gets its way the Justice Department published the proposal this week opening up a twenty day period for public comments yeah now David's been speaking with us from Toronto thank you very much for your time thanks mark I appreciate you having me migrants crossing into the US may soon need a new additional form of ID even though he's my twin and in fact there might even have been plausible charges at the Russians could have come up with I don't know maybe he'd been in a traffic accident or something but I think that the fact that expect a lot of them Alex is director of Immigration Studies at the Cato Institute he walked us through how the data will be collected and where it'll go so as DNA data it's going to be taken through mouth swabs and it's going to be entered into the coldest system which is the children are related to each other how does the trump administration think this will affect the flow of migrants coming to the US and is that the state ago so the stated goal it will also be used by the Department of Homeland Security to check whether a family units apprehended at the border you know mothers fathers Arkan's but the second one is to make sure that people are not asylum seekers and others crossing the border are not smuggling in folks who they claim are their family is the F. B. I. is national database of DNA that is used by a every law enforcement agency in the United States to basically try to solve crimes ways is to try to solve crimes in the United States which I think is a greatly exaggerated here legal immigrants are much less likely to commit crimes native-born amount take both of those one by one I'll start with the second one how often does that happen that people try and sneak non relations across the border making those claims so we don't really no this is something that's difficult to measure but it's likely very rare there are definitely cases of smugglers bringing up people who they claim are their family is but who actually aren't the for both of these is trying to disincentivize folks coming to the US border as is the case for almost every trump action on the border so let me so it comes from the idea that DNA evidence is a great way to solve a lot of crimes there's a lot of research on this United States it's quite efficient the problem is that's not really applicable to this members and it turns out that they're not but these are relatively rare situations is relatively rare cases so that that is true that happens but it's a much smaller problem Asian crime fighting efforts toward basically trying to take random swabs of random people and hoping that somehow that will solve crimes Alexey the administration makes it out the same and to the first goal of this proposal the trump administration says the DNA collection will lead to more crimes solved where does that notion come from a scheme just another way to make immigration really prohibitive like where does it stop this is just another way for the administration to make it more expensive and more humane a pretty steady chipping away at legal immigration by the trump White House for example having to prove you have health insurance and won't be a burden on government resources I is this from deportation the trump administration ended the DACA program or deferred action for childhood arrivals federal courts blocked trump from ending the program immediately but in a few weeks the Supreme Court will hear a case that could seriously affect those people known as dreamers that includes Norma Ramirez she's one of the people that Supreme Court will hear acid government database is probably just a waste time so essentially that goal incorrectly suggests that migrants are inherently more prone to be criminals one of eleven plaintiffs taking the trump administration all the way to the Supreme Court to preserve her right to stay in the United States the only country she's known fuel daunting snarky blocking it is for normal Ramirez it's stressful she's twenty nine and lives in Pasadena in southern California situation along the border these are folks at the border who are not accused of committed a crime oftentimes not even convicted of command crime so adding their DNA to it doesn't correctly suggests that in it also incorrectly suggests that gathering the DNA of population with lower crime rates who have not even individually been accused of crimes liaison frankly for people to try to come to this country lawfully the trump administration tried to cut legal immigration through Congress they failed to convince into Lump Ramirez into a familiar story of the innocent child brought to this country by parents who entered without visas a young child who learns English Sir Congress to do that so they've been changing rules and regulations across the board to try to achieve that goal the number of immigrants is down in the United States but not nearly my own you know my my parents they'd be working that kind of relationship that kind of I don't know family unity really
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Meantime, his brother David Whelan told CNN the family only found out about Paul's detention through media reports and all of this comes as a Russian citizen and alleged spy named Maria boot nna sits in an American jail. So is there something to the Waylon arrest or is this just payback or both? Joining me now is CNN senior international. Correspondent Matthew chance is in Moscow and also correspondent Martin savage who was in Whelan's hometown of Novi. Michigan. Matthew I in Russia. Do we know any more details about why Paul Whalen was arrested? Well, we don't I mean the statement we've had from the Russian FSBA the kind to espionage agency here. The main one saying that arrested that US citizen who was caught spying is what they said. And there was no further detail given had any further clarification from family members of the or the US officials that have been speaking about this this either. So it's still pretty much in the duck as to what exactly walls that this poll. Wheelin was actually he's actually accused of doing specifically when he was detained on the twenty eighth of December here in the Russian capital brianna and Martin what is his brother saying? Well, first of all this pricing. Is it may sound brianna the family Paul Elam is actually relieved to hear that he had been detained by Russian authorities because up until that point once he had disappeared on the twenty eighth. That's the last that anybody heard from him in Russia. They actually feared the worst. They've thought that maybe some terrible accident had befallen him or maybe even the victim of crime, maybe murder so to hear that you've been apprehended actually in some ways was or leave, although they know the series. Now what he is facing they say that he went for a wedding. It was actually the wedding of a former fellow marine, and he was kind of there helping out. Here's his twin brother. Dave Whelan talking about. He had a request from a friend. He thought he could help out because he had been to Russia and could maybe help help other Americans from the family who hadn't been to Russia to, you know, navigate their way around get on the metro that sort of thing. But he's he's a very kind person Paul's a very capable person. He's physically a large person. So I mean, he he he has a background in law enforcement. He was a marine he does corporate security any travels regularly. So he's not the sort of person. Who would stumble into a strange environment or or make poor choices that could cause some risks? But particularly he wouldn't have made choices that would have gotten sideways of the Russian government. And it's has been all checked. So as you heard there, he is a former marine served in Iraq on a number of tours. He's been to Russia before both professionally and also for personal visits, and he works for security corporate security global security. I think is the title has for a major parts manufacturer here in the Detroit area auto parts, but that company has put out a statement borgwarner. And they said he was not traveling on behalf of them on this trip. It was strictly personal. Hugh latimer. Putin has said he doesn't know anything about someone else. Maria boot, Anna who is an alleged Russian spy who's cooperating with the feds here in the US that aside are you seeing any connection here with what seems to be maybe two coup incidental of timing between these these two people and the development surrounding them. Yeah. Well, there's no there's no direct connection between these two cases, a pro gun lobbyists. He's being held in the United States. He pled guilty a couple of weeks ago conspiracy. She was accused by prosecutors of attempting to infiltrate conservative groups, like the NRA and the Republican party to influence Americans. She's going to be sentenced shortly. The the shows opposes the timing of it as I say just take place two weeks ago, President Putin and others in the Russian governments have expressed outrage that this person they say he's innocent has been has been found guilty in this way. Or it's been accused of conspiracy in this way. Clues something something imagine to espionage, and they won't return to Russia. Putin just two week or so ago, and he's annual press conference said Lookie wouldn't be adopting retribution to get back. He said this arrest innocent people simply to exchange them for someone else. Yes. He said that just a week or so before. This pool. Wheelin figure was detained for alleged espionage. And so look I mean, there's no connection except for the timing. A lot of people are speculating about night in right now, though is that maybe this will lead to some kind of swap of these individuals in the future. But it's perhaps too early to to say that yet. All right. Matthew, Martin thank you to both of you covering this story, very far apart from each other. And joining me now to discuss this is former senior adviser to the national security adviser under President Obama. Samantha vinograd. I wonder Sam on the timing of this. Is it too coincidental? To you that we have learned and at this point in time Maria Bhutia is in a US prison. She is cooperating with with the feds here is this too coincidental in your judgment. Well, Putin certainly likes to take what he calls reciprocal measures. And in this case extensively he would want to have some kind of bargaining chip if he chooses to try to negotiate for Maria Putin is release, but it would be. A very big mistake to consider this any kind of tit for tat gesture or reciprocal move. Rea- Bhuttan is in the United States after an independent law enforcement process was undertaken, she'll get a fair trial. She has access to lawyers, and she will not be manipulated by system. That's controlled by an autocratic leader, Paul Whalen is not going to have the same benefit while he's in Russia. Ladimir Putin controls law enforcement in Russia. He controls the courts, and he controls propaganda. And thereby we have to be very clear here that Paul Whalen may be brought before the courts on trumped up charges with completely fabricated evidence. And with the verdict already predetermined these are not this is not an eye for an ice situation. They're very different cases. Do think in this case Sam we're going to hear any more from the Russian government about what the or alleging this act of espionage to be it's so foggy this point. Oh, I'm sure that we will in the fact. That the Russian government put this out in that mister Whelan's family had to learn about this from the media just really signals to me that they're trying to control the dialogue. There are specific protocols that go into place when a foreign government arrest someone that they accuse of being a spy, and or just someone that they arrest that's a citizen of a foreign country, the Russian government may this public before the US government had the time to either no or contact Mr. Whelan's family, which tells me that they really want to manipulate this narrative, and we know that Vladimir Putin loves propaganda, and it is very certain that he will come up with evidence and trumped up charges again to try to paint a picture of Mr. willan that could be completely divorced from the truth. I want to bring in John Kirby. A- retired Rear Admiral here with us. Now, you were a spokesperson at the department of state also at the Pentagon, John. So when the State Department is looking at this, or what is their response tell you and also what do you expect is going on behind the scenes as they tried to? To secure his release. Get more details. So right now, they are trying to get a concert or visit. And it'll be looks like a period of seventy two hours. I think that's probably put on them impose on them by Moscow. But they'll first step will be to get a consular officer professional foreign service officer to go in there. An interview Mr. Waylon to find out the circumstances of his visit try to get as much information as they can. So that they can best advise him going forward. They will also most likely connect him to a lawyer a local lawyer Russian lawyer with whom they have worked before and they trust to try to help him navigate the legal foundations there in Moscow the legal framework. And so I think right now, that's the main thing is just look after his health look after his condition figure out we're we're things stand with him. And how to help him legally maneuver his way through this. They will also after that communicate with the family, and the let the family know what they've learned in what they're working on the State Department consular folks are really good at making sure that everybody's informed. What is your assessment of Russia's objective? Here. Well, I agree with Sam. I think this is that for tat I think Putin's drug playing a game here. I mean, I don't know Mr. Waylon or his background. But I would have no trouble believing that this is really about Maria patina and Putin's effort to sort of go back at us where exactly that exact same same thing. They claim this guy was involved in spine. What the C word ends up going. But I think this is very much Putin flexing muscles, where do you think it will end up? What is it is it too difficult to say? Yeah, right now, it's too early. I'll feel a lot better being able to sort of predict this once we've had this concert or visit in wants the State Department has talked to the family and the families had a chance to digest what's going on. And they the consular folks have a chance to advise Mr. Waylon going forward. I think it's just too soon to know where this and we need to know what he's really accused of here. It's so essential Sam Vinograd, John Kirby. Thank you so much. They're going to be back with me later a little later on as well day eleven now of the partial government shutdown. Both sides are. Talking just not to each other. Corespondent Jessica dean joining us now from the White House that is pretty dismal to say. But tell us what we're hearing from President Trump about House Democrats and their plan to pass some bills as they try to at least make an effort if not a successful one to reopen the government. Well, I think you hit the nail on the head brianna. That's exactly right there. Talking just not to each other kind of and just very opposite directions. The Democrats saying that when they take over the house on Thursday, they're gonna vote to reopen the government in that package of bills. There's one point three billion dollars for border security, but there is no wall funding there, and the president has a lot of things to say about that as you can imagine not happy about that. And still drawing that definitive line in the sand saying that without the wall and without the funding for the wall. He's not going to sign it take a look at what he tweeted earlier, he said the Democrats much as I suspected have allocated no money for a new wall. So imaginative the problem is without a wall. There can be no real border. Security and our country must finally have a strong and secure southern border. So the president really not budging. And this is the crux of this partial government shutdown is this border wall. And the funding for the Democrats saying, we're not gonna fund the wall. The president saying I'm not signing anything without the funding in the wall. So as you can imagine we're still at the stalemate brianna, and you have to remember here. Right. You have hundreds of thousands of people who are not getting paid. They're they've very soon will not be getting paid. And some of them are working while not getting paid. There's a union representing some federal workers that suing tell us about that. Right. So there's four hundred twenty thousand people right now who are working without getting paid. And this union is suing on their behalf there to named plaintiffs in this case they worked for the bureau of prisoners on the president of this labor union this filing saying it's inhumane to ask these people to work without pay. As you mentioned. We're now going toward two weeks. Now that people have been working, and as you can imagine for a lot of these people that is a real stretch a real stressor as we enter this new year. And again, the president tweeting yesterday part of his tweet saying calm down and enjoy the ride. It's going to be a new year and twenty nineteen but for people who are working without pay. It's hard to enjoy anything right now. That is not a ride you want to be on just the dean at the White House. Thank you know, straight ahead. We are going to ask Maryland, congressman Anthony Brown. What compromises the Democrats could make to help and the shutdown? Plus North Korea's leader has a New Year's message for President Trump stopped the quote one-sided demands or hill pursue a quote new way. And later a father begs the public to help find the gunman who killed his little girl in a brazen. Sunday morning attack in kyu-sun. We'll bring you the details. 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And the plan is backed by incoming house speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, but it's really a nonstarter for Republicans and for more on this partial government shutdown. I want to bring in a democratic congressman Anthony Brown from Maryland. So this strategy for Democrats trying to put pressure on Republicans. It seems to try to say, hey, let's deal with the controversial bit of this homeland security funding, but the expectation is that's not going to be taken up by the Senate. So so why do this? Well, I wall our packages. Two components one is just sending back to the Senate. What they've already approved right, bipartisan, Republicans and Democrats approved funding a number of agencies funding for a number of each. And then what we're suggesting is we have a controversial issue around the president's border wall, which we reject let's isolate. That issue. Let's move it to February eighth some breathing room. So we can open up the rest of government that seems reasonable to do and what I'm expecting to see if and when we talk about a border wall, which I oppose we need to be talking about broader comprehensive immigration reform on pathways to citizenship dreams that was make it even more difficult when you're adding hot button issues to what's already. I mean, you guys are in shutdown over just funding then you throw in something like dreamers. You throw in other other issues of comprehensive immigration reform. Isn't it maybe biting off a little more than than you can chew? Well, it makes it more difficult. If you tried to get it done by January third. It's even more difficult. You can get into. By February eighth is a tough one as well. Remember the last time that congress underwent comprehensive immigration reform was twenty two years ago, but it's been decades. And you think that this is somehow going to be major movement in the course of a month is that realistic. Well, we're not going to move on border wall unless it's part of a comprehensive immigration reform. So an alternative would be to fully fund apartment of homeland security through the end of this calendar year at some point, though, we're talking about border security, you have to talk about pathways of citizenship. Reunification the lottery program, you have to talk about how our immigration system strengthens, our workforce all of these are part of immigration reform. None of them is what the president is talking about. He just wants the war. I think you know, here in Washington we look at this showdown. And we start talking about who's winning who's losing politically speaking, right? Is it Democrats is at the president. How are congressional Republicans faring, but this is about to get real for hundreds of thousands of Americans. Right. And not just the one. Who are federal employees? But you have people who are contracting who get money who are not going to get back pay the IRS will soon have to delay filings. The coastguard will curtail some duties like enforcing certain laws. I mean, these are serious things at what point do Democrats. Blink do. They make a calculation that. Okay. If the president is not going to stick up for people who are suffering here. Then we're going to do that look around. I've got the fifth largest number of federal government employees in my congressional district. I just spent the last ten days in Barbara Shaw. What are they saying? They saying we don't want the wall they to we'll hang out and get unpaid what they're saying is they wanna be on the job they want to get paid. And they don't want the wall. And they recognize which is it. So which is more important to them both. They're saying open up government. It's an unrelated issue. And then go ahead and debate border security in the larger context of competence and being forgive Democrats. If they're not. On the job. But I don't know giving Democrats I think it's about focusing squarely where the blame resides in. That's President Trump who ten days ago took ownership for the shutdown. He said he'd be proud to have a shutdown and and and voters won't forget that. And certainly the the residents of my congressional district again, fifth largest number of federal government employees. They want to be on the job. They really do. Many of them are working without pay. It's create a lot of uncertainty unpredictability and angst during the holidays. Sure. But he's talking to the president is talking to a constituency that it appears is more interested in the wall than it is in keeping the government running. How you how do you how do you come up against that and win look, it's hard. And I'll tell you why do you get both things if you're dealing with someone who one thing over the other is more important to him. Look this president has been engaged in divisive politics in stay one, he views federal government, employees Democrats. He doesn't hold Democrats in high regard. That's why the president took away their pay raise for. Nineteen. He's made it higher easier to fire federal government employees. My concern is that he may not even support legislation that retroactively pays federal government employees. This is a president who is really beat up on federal employees and the losers are not just the employee's. But Americans who. That if there's bipartisan support in congress is there has been in the past to do back pay for federal employees who have been furloughed or working without pay. You really think that the president would not give them that pay. Well, we're certainly going to included in in our package, and that's what the Senate would be because if I'm a federal employee, and I hear that I'm really freaked out. And I wonder if is that the point or do you really do you have do you have substantive reason to believe the president will well that back to use your language federal government ploys, we're already freaked out with this president really I mean, there was an automatic pay raise. It was going into effect for twenty nine thousand nine the president. He he frozen do believe not honor the backpay. Do you have specific reasons something he has said something someone is told you that you don't do that yesterday. Past actions denying the pay raise make an easier to fire them. He was taking a court. Fortunately, loss a federal judge said, no. Some of those executive orders that are beating up on federal government employees are unlawful, but this is a president who has beat up on federal government employees. So I think we should always be approaching him with caution when it comes to government employees, congressman Anthony Brown. Thank you so much easier to have you in studio. Coming up. There is plenty on the Trump agenda in two thousand nineteen is we set a shutdown a divided government and the economy will stay strong this year. Some are fearing the our word we're going to have more on that and other hot topics in Washington. This new year. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses at incredible prices. Visit Xeni today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. That's Z E N N, I dot com slash CNN. Well, it is the first day of twenty nine thousand nine and things were about to shake up on Capitol Hill with me now is Lauren FOX, she's a congressional reporter for CNN, politics, and John Bresnahan. He's Politico's congressional bureau chief, so John let's talk about the wall the shutdown. This is the hangup where which house us in our eleven they hear of a partial government shutdown. The president wants a big amount of wall money. The Democrats are balking at that. They're offering just a fraction of that. And you have some new reporting actually, tell us we'll President Trump has invited the top eight congressional leaders in the house and Senate Republican democrat to the White House tomorrow, they're still trying to get the details. Put the meeting together. But it's the first sign of any face to face discussions in a while. It's the first sign of any talks between Trump and the democratic leadership on the hill. So hopefully the pace will start picking up on this. And it makes you wonder because the last time we saw meeting we saw what was I mean, it was reality television. Essentially in the Oval Office with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi hard to imagine. They'd wanna go for that again, Lauren. Absolutely. But there's been this long break, everyone has been home celebrating the holidays, and there hasn't been much movement. And so this is going to speed things up. We're going to start seeing Democrats and Republicans trying to sit down and negotiate an end to the shutdown. What we don't know is tomorrow how much of this is real how much of this is President Trump trying to make something happen for some kind of action. But for Democrats take the house on Thursdays and Washington really changes in a real way after eight years. So the other story that we're definitely tracking. I think all of us going into twenty nineteen is the economy, we've been watching the volatility in the markets things have been good economically. But there's a lot of anxiety around it and some contests are saying maybe not a recession twenty nineteen but maybe leading into it for twenty twenty. What are you tracking on this story? We think congress will step up its oversight on these issues. Of course, there's there's. Limited amount they can do. But I think they're watching very closely. Trump's efforts to have a meeting with Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell there. They wanted see what he does what he says to them. They're worried like Wall Street about the independence of the fed. I think you'll see hearings on the Republican tax Bill, and what that's meant for the deficit and for congress trying to address that issue. But I do think they have kind of limited room to take action and economy at this point. There's no sign of an economic slowdown. They won't won't do stimulus Bill or anything at this worried about it though, John well there absolutely word. I think everybody is. I think Wall Street's worried about it. That's why you see these huge swings in the market has the, you know, Wall Street is usually leading economic indicator of a shutdown or some kind of slow down an economy. You'll see something, you know, usually three to six months afterwards. So if Wall Street really is in a bear market. That's going to have you know, in fact on the economy. I learn I know you're going to be up to your eyeballs and the oversight. Story in two thousand nineteen Democrats taking control in the house. They're going to start asking questions, maybe issuing subpoenas. What's on your radar? Will. I think there's a couple of key areas. You have to watch the oversight committee. They perhaps have the broadest jurisdiction of any of the committees tin vested gate security clearances to investigate immigration to investigate even policy issues like prescription drug prices, but another area, I would focus on is the House Ways and means committee chairman, Richard Neal. He's the only democrat who's going to have the power to ask for president Donald Trump's tax returns. Now, as you know, Democrats have been trying to get their hands on those for quite a while. And you shouldn't expect him on day one to ask for them. But expect that there's going to be public hearings in that committee about asking for the president's tax returns about the precedent forgetting presidential tax returns. They're going to build a case to the American people, and then you can expect I've been told by a source familiar that Richard Neal will ask the treasury department for the president's tax returns TVD on win. Exactly it happens. But prepare for that the press. Is that presidents do it? Right. John. I mean, that's that's certainly it. Do you think that we might finally get a chance to see the tax returns? I don't know. There's a long way to go before they become public. I mean, it's possible that could. But I think you'll see Trump push a legal challenge to this. He's not going to just roll over and give up his tax returns or have them released by the IRS, which is actually what happens, and what about all these other issues of oversight. I mean, you can't imagine that the Trump administration is just going to say, oh, sure, that's fine. This person will send on up for a dog and pony show hearing it's going to be in the hot seat. Yeah. We'll send her up. We'll send him up. They're going to resist this. Oh, I think you're gonna see the Trump administration. Push the envelope on what they what they can do in resisting congressional oversight. I mean, you saw it in the bomber restriction. They fought a lot of the oversight from the Republicans. And they cooperated when they had to. But they also, you know, slow walked some responses, they, you know, they turned over documents. But then brought them back every night. So I think there's gonna you're going to see them trying to come. Up with creative ways to fight oversight. But again. And as Lauren mentioned, they do have subpoena power, and then they will push that when they need to. But I think they're going to try and be smart and try not to overreach, Lauren. When you ask members of congress, incoming who will now have this oversight power who they want to hear from because they've been watching this in the minority for a long time are their names that generally pop up that these are the the folks are this is the person that I want to hear from an a hearing. Well, I talked with Elijah Cummings is the incoming chairman of the house oversight committee, and he told me that he'd like to sit down and talk with Wilbur Ross the commerce secretary about questions about the census. And how a question about citizenship was put on the sentences, and I think you can expect that's a timely issue. That's going to be one of the earlier hearings that they have. But they also want to be talking a little bit about public policy. They don't wanna come in. And just say we're going to have this cabinet secretary than this one. They want to make sure that they are showing the American people we can actually govern. This isn't just going to be you know, putting Trump in the. Spotlight and going after him everything, and maybe deferred Robert Muller before they absolutely man, some they don't want us to start investigating. And his toes. All right, Lauren, FOX, John Bresnahan. Thank you so much to both you we have such a big year ahead of us. It's going to be a wild ride in no doubt. All right CNN has now confirmed that the president has asked congressional leaders from both parties to come to the White House likely tomorrow, maybe Thursday to discuss the wall sources telling CNN that border security officials from the department of homeland security will also be on hand for this meeting. President Trump says that he is ready to meet with North Korea's dictator again. But Kim Jong Hoon has a message for the president. I vow in that if sanctions persist Korea may need to pursue quote. A new way we'll have that and more when we come back. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. North Korean leader, Kim Jong UN delivered a New Year's message of hope for his country mixed with words of warning for the US. He pledged a commitment to denuclearization and an offer to meet with President Trump at added that North Korea may need to take a quote new way forward if US sanctions continue one of the most surprising aspects of the speech was a fresh look and setting ditching stiff formalities Kim appeared dressed in a suit and tie speaking in a more informal setting many experts believe this was calculated to cast him as a more modern world leader. And while it might be the beginning of a new year, many of the old security threats persist, so let's look at the challenges. Now ahead for the US in two thousand nineteen with Sam Vinegrad are CNN national security analysts who served on President Obama's national Security Council. What are you tracking here brianna, you may be surprised by this? But I actually think the biggest national security. That we face in two thousand nineteen actually come from within the situation room itself. And that is the lack of an of a functioning national Security Council process. There is no shortage of national security threats that is going to come at the United that are going to come at the United States in two thousand nineteen with different this year. However from when I served in the administration and administrations before is that there is not a process in place that allows the president and his team to actually prioritize what they pay attention to nationals. Kirti resources are finite. I'm talking about military assets. I'm talking about foreign assistance, and I'm talking about time and attention. We run the risk of having a president and a national security adviser that spend time going down rabbit holes rather than appropriately prioritizing how wearing Wendy United States should really focus its resources and what about global threats. I think that the largest global threat. That's currently facing us probably remains the three. That from global terrorism. We saw some worrisome trends over the last year we saw homegrown terrorism strike, unfortunately that was motivated by various factors including political agendas. We saw rise in hate crimes and hate speech. And so the row the risk of homegrown radicalized terrorist attacks is very high at the same time. We know that SUNY extremism remains a big factor when we look at the global terrorist landscape, and we have had something that's changed in the last year, there potential security vacuums that are going to open in Syria and places like Afghantistan with the withdrawal of US troops. So the threats from global terrorists are also quite high going into the new year. All right Sam, thank you so much very serious topic. Obviously a lot to think about here going into the new year, but a very happy new year to you hopefully seem to you every on. So the piece of last Sunday morning was shattered in Houston when a little girl and her. Mother were shot while driving in a car. The mother survived her seven year old daughter died and the big questions. Why would anyone target them? And where's the killer? Hi, I'm Gilda Radner people want to know what made you funny from the time. I was a kid I loved to pretend he was very first performer chosen for the cast of Saturday Night Live. Vast experience being credible story of comedy, great men. Just love jerk basically, stole all of my characters from Gilda can do almost anything. People are laughing love Gilda, a CNN film New Year's day at nine pm unseen. A father in Texas is making a desperate. Plea for information to find his child's killer on Sunday morning. A gunman opened fire on a car that was carrying his seven-year-old daughter. Jasmine Barnes, her three siblings and her mother, and by the time, the shooting stop jasmine was dead and her sister and mother will wounded police have launched a manhunt for the gunman and like Jasmine's Dowd. They're asking the public for any information to help with the search. I want to bring in CNN correspondent Nicosia you are following this case, this is this is awful. Tell us more. It's a terrible way for this family to start the new year brianna and mourning the loss of this seven year old little girl and for what seems to be an unprovoked attack. According to the Harris County sheriff's office jasmine and her three siblings as well. As mother were leaving the Houston area, WalMart when they were just a gunman just opened fire on their vehicle. The two siblings were unhurt. Another sibling was hit by shattered glass jasmine, lost her life. And her mother was. Stuck in the arm. She's still in the hospital. And this is what she had to say about the incident from her hospital bed. My baby dumbed in asked me. Whereas my sister is she coming back. She's the only thinks though she did not have to wake up and wake up without her up. There. So the sheriff emphasize that this family did nothing to provoke this attack. There's no indication that they deserve this at all the suspected gunman is described as a white male in his forties. He has a beard. He was driving a red pickup, according to witnesses. But there's not any other details about him that have so far been released by the sheriff's office there pleading with the public at this point brianna to check any surveillance footage that they may have to look at the red pickup and see if they recognize this vehicle and try to get this alleged gunman capture Brown. All right, Nick, we know you will continue to follow this story. Thank you got it now to the miracle today amid tragedy just take a look at the moment that Russian emergency officials found a baby boy alive in the rubble of an apartment building that had collapsed after an explosion yesterday the baby survived the blast and more than thirty five hours in the freezing cold authorities believe a gas leak is what caused this massive explosion at least seven people. Were killed through six are still missing. The new year is ushering in new laws coast to coast and some are pretty eye opening. We're going to talk about them after the break. Remember, the black Dahlia murder January twenty eighth. Don't miss TNT's new limited series. I am the night. She had case and fifteen national storing Chris pine and skirl does all about it. Inspired by a true story of one girl at the heart of Hollywood's most notorious murder all blow this thing. Why open this girl? She's the key. The new limited series. I am the night. January twenty eighth at nine on TNT. Well, right now, it is a brisk three degrees in Excelsior Minnesota. That is not stopping thrill seeking swimmers from jumping into lake minute Tonka. This is the ice dive in annual event that started twenty eight years ago, it's still going strong, and it's good 'cause raising money for charity with most of the proceeds going to the wounded warrior project, and it is, of course, the first day of twenty nineteen and that means there are a slew of new laws that take effect today from minimum wage hikes to the number of women in the boardroom, some of these laws could have a really big social impact C N, N's Jeanne guitarist has been tracking these laws. She's joining us. Now, tell us about them. Well, I it's interesting because from the east coast to the west coast there are so many new laws state by state and some of them could really impact you. Two thousand nineteen rings in with bigger paychecks for some workers in at least nine teen states that are increasing or adjusting their hourly minimum wages on or around New Year's day workers from Maine to Missouri to Aaron Jona, we'll see bumps in their paychecks, even as the federal minimum wage hasn't budged from seven dollars and twenty five cents since two thousand nine. Just as the twenty twenty political season kicks off next week. The state of Florida will restore the voting rights of former felons upon the completion of their sentences excluding those convicted of murder and sexual offenses Utah. Officially has the nation's lowest blood alcohol content standard for drunk driving. Now at point. Oh, five percent. That's as little as one drink for most women and three drinks for most men to reach the new limit. Over in California Public held corporations based in the state must have at least one woman on the board of directors by the end of the year. And by the end of twenty twenty one corporations must have at least two or three female board members, depending on the size of the board of directors violations of this new law can be punishable by fines up to three hundred thousand dollars. Also in California pet stores are no longer allowed to sell cats dogs or rabbits, unless they come from animal shelters, or nonprofit rescue groups. The Golden State is also home to a new law that gives pets more rights. No longer will the family dog and cat be treated by courts as physical property. Judges can now decide who gets custody of the family pet during divorce proceedings based on what is in the best interest of the pets. Fashion forward hunters in Illinois will now have another color option for their hunting wardrobe. The state becomes the seventh to expand the color options for hunting from the standard blaze orange to an equally bright blaze pink. And in the age of tweets and texts. The state of Ohio is going retro students. There will now be required to learn how to write in cursive, by the end of the fifth grade just some of the new laws Americans are waking up to this new year and right here in New York styrofoam containers, you know, for takeout food their band now because you can not recycle them and Briana plastic straws in California. You're not going to get them at a restaurant unless you specifically ask for one. Cursive, though, that's a little out there. That's interesting Jean right? Happy new year to you, gene. Thank you, happy new year and this just into CNN. We are getting word that a US. Marine was shot and killed while on duty very early this morning at the marine barracks here in Washington DC, Washington police responded to this incident. But the circumstances of the shooting are still unclear at this point and the killing is under investigation. It's a shooting that was determined not to be a threat to local residents because authorities say this occurred on the grounds of the marine barracks. CNN has reached out to DC police and the marines, and we will keep you updated on this story that is it for me coming up more on the arrest of an American in Moscow newsroom starts right now. Hey, Sekou humane pay from the hang time podcast. Join me, and my main man John Shuman every week as we break down, the latest, NBA, news and storylines with. Yes. From around the league, be sure to subscribe to NBA hang time on apple podcast Spotify. An NBA dot com slash podcast for new episodes every Monday and Thursday this season.