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"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

04:40 min | 7 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

"Inside mount Carmel, rather than surrender to the FBI. The evidence included audio from FBI bugging devices, which picked up Steve Schneider, ordering the start of the blaze. Later, another survivor confessed the koresh had ordered the building set on fire in the event of an FBI attack. But other survivors, including David thibodeau, continued to deny these accusations. They claimed the FBI started the blaze when their tanks fired hundreds of volatile tear gas canisters into the building. The bulk of the evidence supports the government view that the Davidians started the fire, yet legitimate questions remain over who is to blame for the events leading up to the tragedy. Many ask whether the Davidians might have run to safety if the government hadn't used harsh techniques during the standoff. Critics also questioned the ATF's decision to launch a military style assault on mount Carmel rather than waiting to arrest David kresh outside the compound. Others were outraged by what they saw as an unprovoked violation of constitutionally guaranteed protections. The right to religious expression and the right to bear arms. In some cases, this outrage fueled further violence. In 1995, Timothy McVeigh carried out the deadly bombing in Oklahoma City, and claimed it was a retaliation for the government's actions at Waco. Ultimately, what happened at Waco may never be fully understood. What is clear is that both sides struggle to find common ground. David koresh painted the government as oppressive and bent on destroying an innocent religious community. Meanwhile, many in the government reduced the Davidians to a dangerous doomsday cult. Neither portrait was completely accurate. Perhaps if more people stopped to recognize the humanity on both sides of the standoff, there might have been a much different and better end to the story of the siege at Waco. From wondering this is episode 6 of Waco from American scandal. In our next episode, I speak with Eric Benson, a senior editor at the magazine Texas monthly. In April 2018, Benson wrote a series of articles that helped shed new light on the tragedy at mount Carmel. We'll discuss how the public viewed Waco back in 1993 and how the events still shapes American life today. If you like our show, please give us a 5 star rating and leave a review. And be sure to tell your Friends. I also have two other podcasts you might like. American history tellers and business movers. Follow on Apple podcasts, Amazon music, or wherever you're listening right now, or you can listen to new episodes early and ad free by subscribing to one plus in Apple podcasts or in the wandering app. You'll also find some links and offers from our sponsors in the episode notes, supporting them helps us keep offering our shows for free. Another way you can support the show is by filling out a small survey at wondery dot com slash survey to tell us what topics we might cover next. You can also find us and me on Twitter, follow me at Lindsay a Graham, Lindsey with an a, middle initially, and thank you. If you'd like to learn more about Waco, we recommend the reporting on the story in Texas monthly by Eric Benson. This episode contains reenactments and dramatized details, and while in most cases we can't know exactly what was said. All our dramatizations are based on historical research. American scandal is hosted, edited and executive produced by me, Lindsey Graham for airship. Audio editing by Molly Bach sound designed by Derek Barrett's music by Lindsey Graham. This episode is written by Michael canyon Meyer, edited by Christina malls burger, our senior producer is Gabe riven. Executive producers are Stephanie Jen's, Jenny Lauer beckman, and Marshall Louis for wondering. From wondery, call me curious is a podcast hosted by me, Nikki Boyer, that finally gives you definitive answers to life's burning questions. Look, we're all on 24/7 information overload on our news feeds and our inboxes on TikTok. So it's kind of hard to know what's real and what isn't when it comes to health, pop culture and relationships. And that's why I'm bringing you, call me curious. Every week on call me curious, I dive into all the things that you've heard about, but you don't really know about. That's right, no more nodding along at dinner parties or run into the bathroom to Google, what is cryptocurrency? You're going to learn and laugh along the way as I explore life's little mysteries and the Internet's hottest topics. Like does intermittent fasting work? Or is it true that you can't die in your dreams? So find out with me and some of my hilarious Friends on my podcast, call me curious. Listen to call me curious on Apple podcasts, Amazon music, or wherever you listen. You can listen early and ad free by subscribing to one plus an Apple podcast or the one reap..

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

02:26 min | 7 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

"It's April 19th, 1995, the two year anniversary of the fire at mount Carmel. Today, David thibodeau stands before the small sullen crowd that's gathered near the ruins of the compound. The Rain falls from the sky in sheets, turning the Prairie a dark brown. Thibodeau's mind back to that terrible day. He remembers the screams, the confusion, the heat of the fire. He remembers when he saw the gap in the wall of the burning building. He was sure he'd get shot if he made his way outside, but in the end he ran for it, and he survived. Thibodeau heads over to a replica of the liberty bell. During today's ceremony, he'll ring it as another survivor reads the names of the dead. The 74 who perished the day of the fire, as well as the 6 who died during the ATF rate. Thibodeau starts ringing the bell, and the crowd listens to the names of the dead. Wayne Martin, Julie Martinez, Michelle Jones. The names bring back memories for thibodeau of life in mount Carmel and his friends and spiritual family. Thibodeau scans a crowd and notices Sheila Martin. She's wearing a white dress, and beside her are her three remaining children. After the final name, thibodeau rings the bell one last time. As soon as it fades to silence in the ceremony is over, thibodeau is asked questions by a news reporter. David thibodeau, do you still believe David koresh was Jesus Christ? I believe he was a prophet, but not Jesus. Tuba grits his teeth. He can't believe that today of all days the media would come here and badger him with questions of theology. If I answer that, you'll just twist my words the way you always do. Well, do you have comment about the Oklahoma City bombing this morning? It can't be coincidence that it happened on the anniversary of the Waco fire. Cubital frowns. Sorry, what are you talking about? Haven't you heard? A bomb went off at a federal building in Oklahoma City. There are numerous fatalities. The day care there took the brunt of the blast. Thibodeau stands there in confusion, and so the reporter invites him to look at the images on their TV monitors. Two bit O walks over and what he sees makes his eyes go wide. On screen are rescuers in Oklahoma, moving through a blasted building and charred wreckage. Thibodeau stands there, unable to speak, wondering, how is it that a peaceful community, a family, united by the word of God, how could their.

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

05:19 min | 7 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

"Break through the walls of mount Carmel. Inside the compound, David thibodeau staggers down the hallway and threw a billowing cloud of white gas. His face is covered with a gas mask, but it still feels hard to breathe. He wonders if the filter is already running out. He checks the women's quarters to see if any children are still inside. The room is eerily empty. He hopes they're all safe in the concrete shelter and that none of them have fallen into the FBI's hands. Thibodeau reaches the first floor landing, and there he hears a loud crunch of wood and metal. He turns and sees the piano they pushed against the front door, a tank has shoved it halfway into the hole. He then hurries to the chapel where there's a gathering of the adults who don't have children to care for. He sees them kneeling at the pews, praying, and wearing their gas masks. Suddenly a nozzle from one of the tanks bursts through the wall of the room. White gas comes out with a frightening Hiss. As the room fills with white clouds, timido hears the sound of uneven footsteps. He looks up and sees David koresh stumble into the chapel. Koresh is limping heavily from his wounds, but the sight is incredible. It's the first time in weeks that the prophet has been upright. Koresh presses his hand against his wound inside, but his eyes look fierce. He gazes across his flock and tells them to hold tight. They're trying to establish communication with the FBI. Then koresh pulls on his gas mask and disappears down the hallway. The FBI loudspeakers Blair again, the voice urges koresh to come out and says be a messiah, David, not a destroyer. Thibodeau hears a loud grown and then the cracking of wood being split apart. He turns and sees a wall collapse as a tank breaks through. The gaseous air fills with debris from the crumbling building, and that's when he hears a wounded cry from someone inside mount Carmel. The shot a single word, fire. He turns just as a giant timber beam crashes down through the chapel, and then orange glow begins to fill the room. Thibodeau's eyes dart left and right, and then he spots the fire racing up the wall. It's climbing faster, spreading wildly. Timido drops on his hands and knees, and as quickly as it can, crawls toward a hole in wall, punched by one of the tanks. It's 1 p.m. at FBI headquarters in Washington, D.C.. Gary nest nurse sits in the conference room surrounded by several other FBI agents. For 6 straight hours, they've been transfixed, watching the events in Texas unfold on a giant TV screen. They've seen the tanks smashing through the walls of mount Carmel, the tear gas being funneled into the compound. It's been weeks since Nestor was the chief negotiator when he still can't let go of this case or his anger as he watches the FBI escalate the conflict. He knows this is all supposed to force a surrender, but he also knows it'll do just the opposite. There's no way that mothers will carry their children toward massive tanks. As he watches the TV, the channel cuts back to the live stream as the anchor announces some breaking news. There's a fire in the southeast corner of the davidian compound. Nestor leans forward in his chair, he can see the flames. At first, they're just a small orange glow at the edge of the screen, but the fire spreads quickly, leaping with terrible speed. Nassar's anger grows with the flames, he's furious at koresh for letting it come to this. But he's also furious at Jeff Jamar and dick Rogers in the tactical team. If they just had more patience, he sure his team could have saved more of the children and all the people now trapped inside that burning building. Nestor sits frozen in his chair, watching the flames grow larger. The fire spreads, whipped fearlessly by the high Prairie winds. And then the nightmare becomes real. There's an explosion. A giant fireball climbs into the sky above mount Carmel and the building collapses. The FBI man in the room goes silent. Nestor holds his hand over his mouth and stunned. He closes his eyes, trying to study his own breath, and he rises, and without speaking a word to anyone, Nestor turns his back on the flames, and walks out of the room. Reunion is a beautiful island rich with culture, fantastic food, incredible surfing beaches, and the world's deadliest shark attacks. It all started in 2011 when sharks on reunion just started biting people way more than ever before and with lunatic violence. The Réunion Island shark crisis became one of the most extreme shark attack epidemics in recorded history. How have the locals, government and business owners navigated this complicated nightmare? This season on reunion, shark attacks in Paradise will tell the remarkable stories of people who lived through these attacks and how the entire island coped to the surge of sharks activity in the water. 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"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

06:55 min | 7 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

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Koresh has finished writing the first of the 7 seals, and now he started dictating the second. But the FBI sees koresh's revelations as just another delay tactic. They've made it clear that their patience has run out. Thibaut reaches down and feels a cool grip of his Glock pistol. Koresh and Steve Schneider issued him the gun, along with a rifle which he uses for his guard duties. Still, thibodeau seriously doubts he could shoot another human being. Not even someone who played bagpipe noises at ear piercing levels all throughout the night. To those size, it's been so long since he's had a good night's sleep. He can feel himself nodding off. But then his eyes snap open. It's the phone line the FBI negotiators use. Thibodeau wonders why they're calling it this hour and picks up quickly. Hello? Hello. This is Byron sage. Can I speak to Steve? Steve's still asleep. Could you go get him, please? I need to talk to him right now. Yeah, all right, hold on. Thibodeau stumbles down the corridor, muttering to himself. He's sick of the FBI's demands, all the harassment. He enters the men's dorm room and sees Schneider asleep on his bottom bunk. His dark blond hair fanned out on the pillow. Thibodeau nudges him gently. Hey, Steve, Steve, wake up. The FBI wants you on the phone. I think something's happening. Schneider bolts awake startled. What's going on? I don't know. I don't know. It's fire and sage. She wants to speak with you right away. He says. Suddenly, thibodeau hears the familiar rumble of tanks. He opens the window shade above his bed and the two men look out. Down in the yard tanks are advancing, but this time they have long metal poles extended out in front of them, like menacing claws, and they're not slowing down. Schneider's eyes go wide. This is it. We're under attack. Thibaut rushes down the hallway, sounding the alarm. Right then a voice booms over the loudspeakers. We're putting tear gas into the building. David and Steve lead your people out of there. Give it a freezes for a moment. They've prepared for this kind of scenario, and all the adults have gas masks under their beds. He grabs his and continues to the women's dorm. As he races the hallway, the voice on the loudspeaker once again rattles the building. This is not an assault. We are not entering the building. The tear gas is harmless, but it will make your space uninhabitable. Turn out now. But thibodeau has no intention of following these instructions. He sure he'll be shot if he acts as the building. So instead he continues down the hallway. People emerge from their rooms tired and confused and knocking into each other. Ebola pushes through the crush of bodies looking for Michelle and the kids. A picture of serenity and her smiling face, which is too small for any gas mask. The mothers know to put wet blankets over the children as a barrier against tear gas. They know how to protect themselves. And if the FBI thinks anyone is walking out of here, they don't understand what it means to have a faith worth dying for. Across the road from mount Carmel in the small, one story house, fire and sage leans forward at the window. He's holding his microphone, which is connected to the loudspeakers across the road. And he's straining to see what's happening at the compound. It looks like the first tanks have reached the Davidians, and so he speaks again into the microphone. This is not an assault he repeats. He urges people to exit. He waits and watches, squeezing the microphone tighter, trying to make out any sign that people are exiting the compound. There's a crackle on the FBI radio, and the commander of the tactical team comes on. He announces that the first tank has delivered tear gas into the compound. As sage listens to the update, he pictures the tank nozzle, breaking through a window, and delivering a steady stream of noxious white gas. He thumbs the button of the mic again and repeats the call for surrender. And right then, a voice comes over the radio, shouting, compromise, compromise. Sage's heart sinks. This is a code word, and it means only one thing. Someone inside mount Carmel has fired.

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

06:04 min | 7 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

"Always have unfinished business in Waco. It's early April, week 5 of the standoff. At the FBI command post Byron sage sits at a desk, waiting for an important meeting, a meeting that could set the standoff on a new course. After Gary nesse was removed as chief negotiator, sage stepped in as the de facto leader of the negotiating team. He was sorry to see Nestor go, but he's continued to push hard for a peaceful solution, even if progress has been slow coming. Sage has spoken on the phone with David koresh and Steve Schneider almost every day for 5 weeks straight, but it's been two weeks since any adult has walked through the doors of mount Carmel. Koresh hasn't released any children in more than a month. Sage stands up. It's time for his meeting with the FBI's commander Jeff Jamar. Sage walks past rows of agents all huddled over computer monitors. They have dark rings under their eyes, and they look worn fin, just like sage. Everyone is sick of living off cold pizza and they're tired of David koresh and having to organize their lives around the whims of a madman. Sage enters to Mars office, the commander is hunched over his desk, his expression stern. He gestures for sage to sit and asks if there's been any progress in getting people out of mount Carmel. Sage size and shakes his head. Jamar leans in. He wants to know the truth. Can they get David koresh to surrender? Sage takes a moment, swallows hard. It's difficult to admit after weeks of effort, but he tells Jamar what he believes. The negotiator seemed to have exhausted their options. At this point, sage is convinced that David koresh doesn't care about anyone inside. All he sees are ways to fulfill his own grandiose vision. Sage bites his left before offering his final assessment. He's not sure what koresh will do if they don't act soon. Jamar nods, he says he's glad sage has come around on the point because the agency has a new solution in mind. It's a plan codenamed Jericho. Sage recognizes the name Jericho from the famous siege in the Bible. Jamar picks up an aerial photograph of mount Carmel. He points to the compound and explains that according to the plan, tanks will approach mount Carmel with specialized equipment, outfitted with 30 foot arms. These arms will act like pipes that can penetrate the compound. Through these pipes, the tanks will then inject tear gas going room by room. They'll release the gas over a 48 hour period. They're not looking to force the Davidians out immediately. Instead, they'll gradually shrink the living space inside the compound until the entire building is saturated with tear gas. At that point, the Davidians will have no choice but to come out. Jamar looks up from the aerial photograph. He says that once they put Jericho into action, they'll need someone to tell the Davidians about the tear gas and to help talk them out of the building. He wants sage to fill that role. Jamar also explains that the highest levels of the FBI are on board. Soon, the FBI director will help present the plan to Janet Reno. President Clinton's new attorney general. And if Reno gives the okay, the tactical team will immediately put the plan into action. But right now, Jamar wants to know if sage is on board with the plan. Sage lets his mind imagine what will surely be a frightening scene inside mount Carmel. He can picture the thundering tanks, the white clouds of tear gas filling room after room. It's a risky plan, but keeping koresh in place feels even riskier. This has to end on the FBI's terms. So Byron sage tells Jamar, he's in. It's April 14th, 1993, and now day 46 of the standoff. David thibodeau smiles as he bounds up the stairs to the second floor of mount Carmel. He feels light on his feet, his former balk has wasted away after 6 weeks of combat rations, and the hardships of the long siege have purged his last spiritual doubts. For the first time in his life, thibodeau feels like he understands what faith truly means. At the top of the stairs, thibodeau stops and grins. Here, David koresh sits up against the wall, surrounded by a large group of followers, thibodeau sees his own hope reflected on their faces. Earlier today, koresh announced that he will end the standoff once and for all. God spoke to the prophet at the end of Passover. He instructed koresh to write down his interpretation of the 7 seals. Koresh said it will take two weeks, three tops, so he called the FBI and said as soon as he finishes writing the seals, he'll surrender. There will be no change of plans. Thibodeau scans the crowd and spots his wife, Michelle. She sits with serenity, her four year old daughter, who she had with koresh. Thibodeau goes and sits down beside them and serenity crawls into his lap. He smiles at her as she settles in. Settling on koresh is a look of calm and clarity, and then he begins to speak, exalted and proud as if God is flowing through him. He begins dictating the first of the 7 seals next to him, Judy Schneider types furiously on a typewriter. She takes down every one of his words, even though for the last 6 weeks, she's had a wound in her hand where she was shot. Crash's voice rises, he says that he who has chosen to open the seals will be persecuted exactly as he and his followers have been persecuted these long weeks..

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

06:32 min | 7 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

"A cramped room inside the FBI command post. This is the negotiation room Nestor quickly assembled after he touched down. And while it's small, it gives his team a quiet place to talk one on one with David koresh. Nestor slips on a headset and listens as koresh talks live with a negotiator. Right now, koresh is upset that the FBI cut his phone line to the outside world. The world needs to hear his message, he says. Then koresh pauses, and he makes an offer. He's willing to surrender along with everyone else inside mount Carmel, but only if the government agrees to put his message on national radio. Lesnar's eyes go wide, he didn't expect this kind of breakthrough so early. He waves to the negotiator and signals for him to pursue this, and so the negotiator asks what sort of message koresh wants to convey. Koresh answers immediately. He wants to talk about the book of revelation, the book of the Bible that deals with Armageddon. The negotiator proceeds cautiously. He wants an insurance that this won't be some kind of farewell statement, followed by a mass suicide. Koresh bristles at the suggestion that's not what he's after, he says, he just wants to share the lord's message of Salvation. The agent makes a counteroffer, koresh could record his message on tape for the FBI to review. Then broadcast. If they can agree to something like that, they just might have a deal. But koresh could do something to help sweeten the deal, the negotiator says. If he sends out more children now, he'll build up greater trust with the FBI bosses. Crash considers an agrees. He'll send out more children, along with the tape. Negotiator signs off and Nestor gives him a thumbs up. Nestor knows that this is exactly the approach they need to take. They have to stroke koresh's ego while gently pushing him toward a surrender. Nestor removes his headset, and rushes out of the cramp negotiation room. He can't wait to share the good news. And while he knows that some of the FBI will look skeptically at the steel, this is their best shot and the standoff peacefully. Inside mount Carmel, David koresh hangs up with a negotiator. He slowly shifts his position on the blankets. Another spasm of pain racks his body and he grits his teeth. His wound is still seeping badly. He feels even more lightheaded than before. And yet he's barely had a moment to rest. He's been organizing his followers, telling them where to bury the dead, how to operate a night watch, and now the FBI is on the phone day and night. Koresh feels woozy and slow, and now it's more certain than ever. He knows he's dying and must say goodbye to his followers. He calls Steve Schneider to his side and asks him to bring the people to him one by one. First the men, then the women. He also tells Schneider to spread the word about their exit plan. God has brought them all through the attack. Now they're leaving on their own terms. It's a victory. Crash begins paging through his Bible, picking out passages for his sermon. As soon he hears the voices of his followers, some are weaving. Other sound joyous as they learn the news about the upcoming surrender. Soon, the male followers begin to file past koresh. He smiles weekly as he gazes at his flock. The followers, he's grown to know and love. David thibodeau, Wayne Martin, Steve Schneider. Soon, the women are at his side. Crash is wives come first. Rachel, bending low to kiss him, Michelle, smiling through tears. Sheila Martin reaches koresh, and he says that before the full surrender, Sheila will need to send out her three youngest children. Sheila looks at him fearfully. And lowers her eyes and knots her head. Early the next morning, at 3 a.m., Sheila Martin stands with her family in the entry hall of mount Carmel. Everyone in the compound has gone to sleep. Sheila glances at the front door, which is riddled with bullet holes. Her breath grows labored, and she turns to her husband Wayne. She was terrified to hand their children over, but Wayne has assured her that koresh is making the right decision. It's hard for her to believe, but she trusts Wayne, and she knows koresh is trying to protect the women and children in mount Carmel. Sheila looks down at her ten year old son, Jaime. The plan is to bring him out first, Jaime sits in his wheelchair, waiting. He was crippled and blinded by meningitis when he was an infant, and she was heartbreaks and how much suffering he's already endured. Yet now he looks peaceful and calm. Jaime's brothers and sisters kiss him on the forehead and say goodbye. He turns and smiles at them. Sheila then takes a deep breath and scoops up Jaime's frail Bonnie. She carries him through the doorway and Wayne follows behind her, pushing the wheelchair. Sheila walks slowly toward the armored car where the FBI men are waiting. She sings softly to Jamie. He's always been calm by music, and she tries to keep her voice from breaking. When she reaches the vehicle, an agent stretches out his arms and takes her son away with surprising gentleness. Wayne sternly reminds the man that they'll be expecting updates on Jaime's safety. The agent assures him they'll take good care of the boy. Sheila choked back a song. These strangers will be Jaime's new reality, and she'll have to do the same terrible exchange with her 6 year old son and four year old daughter. They'll go out in the morning, along with a tape of koresh's sermon to the world. Sheila praise a surrender will come quickly and that she'll see her children again soon. Koresh has spoken often of the sacrifices necessary for Salvation. But Sheila never imagined that giving up her children would be one of them. It's two 30 p.m. on March 2nd, day three of the standoff. In a hallway in mount Carmel, Steve Schneider sits near David koresh, a small radio is positioned between them. The two listen to the last words of koresh's sermon, which is playing on the Christian broadcasting network's radio station. Schneider breathes a sigh of relief. The world has heard David's message. The FBI has fulfilled their end of the deal. Now, all that's left is for koresh and his followers to surrender. Soon, the march out in front of the news cameras ready to share whatever fake God sees fit. Snyder looks over a crash. The prophet is staring into space, his eyes glassy and distant. Schneider tells koresh he's going to make sure the people are ready and receives a slight non response. Schneider hurries to the women's dorm, looking for Judy. She was shot.

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

05:59 min | 7 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

"Contains material that some might find offensive. It's early evening on February 13th, 1993, and in downtown Waco, Texas, a Denny's diner shines bright against the winter sky. The glass front door opens and into the diner steps David thibodeau. He squints his eyes adjusting to the bright light. Thibodeau holds the door for his friend, Steve Schneider. After Snyder comes a thin man with oversized glasses and curly brown hair. He's their spiritual leader, David koresh. Koresh.

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

06:55 min | 8 months ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on American Scandal

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He's nearly finished, and soon the ATF will present it to the federal judge so they can get warrants to search mount Carmel and arrest David koresh. Aguilera has documented the real threat posed by the Branch Davidians. They have everything they need to manufacture fully automatic weapons and to build explosive devices. By interviewing people like Mark bro, they've established koresh's extremist views, and they can prove that he's getting ready for a showdown with authorities. Aguilera spots another special agent who's here to help lead the action at mount Carmel. The agent fills him in on some crucial backstory. Higher ups at the ATF decided they shouldn't try to arrest David koresh while he's away from mount Carmel. There are just too many factors outside of their control. Koresh rarely seems to leave the compound and his timing is unpredictable. Also, it's crucial that they execute both the arrest warrant and the search warrant at the same time, because if word gets back to mount Carmel that koresh has been arrested, the ATF will lose the element of surprise for the search. Aguilera understands the logic, but he still feels nervous. He can't stop thinking about Mark rose warning that there could be a catastrophe about caramel. Luckily, aguilera found old evidence that she greatly helped the ATF. The sheriff's department had evidence of a meth lab on the property. A number of Davidians currently living at mount Carmel have drug charges on their records, so with drugs now a factor. The ATF has a trick of its leaf. It can now use military resources for any action at mount Carmel. Aguilera asks the ATF special agent how the partnership with the military is coming along. The agent says he's not sure they'll get the Bradley tanks they've requested. But it's very likely they'll get helicopters from the National Guard, and the U.S. Army special forces should be able to help train the ATF troops. Of course, the team will give koresh a chance to submit to arrest. But if he and the Davidians won't back down, the ATF needs to be prepared for a fight. Then the agent gives aguilera stern look. He asked aguilera is sure the warrants from the judge will come through. They put a lot of time and resources into this mission. Now that the military is involved, everything has to come off without a hitch. The agent lowers his voice and steps towards aguilera. He asks, is it true they do not have hard evidence of illegal weapons. Aguilera falls hard, but he stands his ground. Yes, that's technically true, he says. But all the necessary components for illegal weapons are on site at mount Carmel. More importantly, there's no way a judge could ignore all the warning sign. Aguilera says they should have a warrant soon, probably within a couple weeks. The agent gives a curtain on. He says he's about to brief the team on the current plan for the mission. Aguilera can sit in. Soon, the two head to a makeshift conference area, aguilera takes a seat on a folding chair toward the back. The other agent addresses the room and explains that the element of surprise is the most crucial aspect of the plan. It seems likely the davidian men are going to be working on the foundation for a new building. That means they'll be distracted and away from their weapons. But that doesn't mean we can just roll up in a S.W.A.T. fan, he says. Instead, they have a Trojan horse, two of them, in fact, a pair of Texas cattle trailers covered with tarps. They're large enough to hide about 70 agents. Once the truck stopped, agents were roll out, weapons drawn and announced their presence. Hopefully the show of force will be enough to make koresh surrender. If not, the agents need to be ready. The back row aguilera's heart begins racing. He can picture this plan unfolding. It will be a terrifying day for everyone. Its early February 1993, the sound of a helicopter's rotors echoes off the building at mount Carmel. David thibodeau looks nervously up at the sky. This isn't the first time a helicopter has flown over mount Carmel. The community heard one last week, too. But David koresh believes a government attack is coming. It's not a matter of if, he says, it's a matter of when. So on koresh's orders, thibodeau and others began important work on the main building. They opened up the walls and poured concrete between the drywall. This is all part of an effort to make their home bulletproof. Still, in other ways, life at mount Carmel has continued as normal. Just last week, they started building a tornado shelter. That's protection from mother nature. Not Uncle Sam. As two dose stares at the sky, the helicopter banks far over a neighboring field. Then it races forward for another pass over mount Carmel. Thibodeau watches the children make a game of it. They're aiming imaginary rifles into the sky and pretending they have the power to bring the evil machine out of the clouds. Tim Doe sees his friend Julie Martinez standing at the edge of the field. She's watching her children pretend to be soldiers. He smiles sadly. Thibodeau has had a crush on Martinez and she arrived here over a year ago. He appreciates that she didn't come for the religion, but because she was at the end of her rope with a bad drug habit. Her mother lives at mount Carmel, and so she could live here rent free and have all her children with her. Approaches his eyes on the children. Hey, Julie. Your kids seem to be handling all this better than I am. Oh, don't worry. My mom says, David's been talking about this battle with the government for years. But I don't understand why it's all more likely to happen this time. I don't know. There's helicopters in this guy. These guys.

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on WFAN Sports Radio_FM

WFAN Sports Radio_FM

05:35 min | 1 year ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on WFAN Sports Radio_FM

"Four CBS 8855 to 1 to 4 to 27. Notre Dame on top, 24 16. I will not talk about Iowa State score. I will not talk about Iowa. That's not going to happen. My coast during the week is doing ESPN. Plus, he's doing Wyoming in northern Illinois. It is 50 to 43, Wyoming at Northern Illinois. He must be having the time of his life right now. Let's go to the hotline. We welcome in a guy who Boy Almighty. He has himself a hell of a job today. Bill Bender joins us sporting News. Find him on Twitter at Bill Bender 92. He is the national college football writer for Force. Uh, sporting news. My goodness, almost, said CBS. For sporting news and he's in Columbus right now. Hello, Bill. Hey, Ken, How are you doing? Surprised how surprised are you? Pretty surprised, pretty surprised the way Oregon was able to execute on the offensive side. Defense able to force some tricky third down. I mean, they don't show you look at the box score. Bill and Ohio State almost had 700 yards, but They forced a lot of these tricky third down passes that got off the field and the right time I mean, make Ohio State had the ball in Organ territories like eight times and didn't score. Um, I was glad because, Okay, So I'm driving in from flag football practice Bill, and I'll tell you about that later in the week. We don't need to discuss it now. And I was trying to listen. I couldn't listen, cause my phone just kept paying constantly. I couldn't hear it. So all of a sudden I get home. I thought it was 28 Nothing. It's seven. Nothing. Oregon, right? And I'm going Goodness gracious, Everybody's ripping CJ Stroud. Considering this considering everything going on. I thought so. I thought CJ Stroud played really well, I'm glad you're mentioning the defense and I know a lot of people are mentioning the defense. Now I thought CJ Straw played pretty well in that game. He did three made big throws. I mean, in the fourth quarter he was dealing got in Montana. Driving time. The game, you know, and then, like I said, you put him in that third long, fourth and long. Of course, an interception is going to happen so I think the offense isn't an issue at all. He's going to continue to feed a lava and Wilson all year running game will be studied with the guys around and they they've got to figure out something on the defensive side, though, because This felt like big 12 football. And I don't know if Ohio State wants to play big 12 football on the defensive side. And allow the team to do what Oregon did. They had. Tremendous game plan can from the option reads attacking the perimeter. Anthony Brown played one heck of a game. I absolutely did. Okay, So what does this mean? Now, like I've got a couple calls already today, and it's like, Well, what's this mean? Really, Because it's the beginning of September. What's it mean for Oregon for the rest of the year? Do I take them seriously for for a playoff berth? Do I take Ohio State out? What do you think it plays out there? All those who says I'm writing now, and I get the win a couple hours here in the press months. This is the first time I had they lost at home. Since Baker Mayfield planting the flag. That's crazy that it's been that long to me, by the way, but you know that was in Oklahoma playoff team, and it made a difference. This game made a difference. So down the line in November. If you've got a conference stack up, That's Oregon with one loss and Ohio State one loss and Clemson with one loss and Georgia and Alabama doing their thing. It's going to get dicey, but Oregon will have a chance. And that's why this is such a big victory for the Pac 12 and if they get a bonus win with Washington and Ann Arbor tonight, You're going to hear a lot about the two big 10 that I think the pressure is on the Wolverines. Now go get a win. Absolutely. Bill Bender, Joining us from the sporting News. I think for Oregon, like I got into a little bit of a kerfuffle with our producers Suss, who called you earlier there, Bill Because Like he loves the Oregon uniforms, and I don't and I just went Oh, my God, That's it. It's brand like you can't tell me brand doesn't help. And if Oregon is able to like, I think, Oregon depending on when they get it, I think they could get a free loss right like if they win. The Pac 12 when they lose at the wrong time, say they're all one loss football team. I think they get in. I think brand helps. Nike helps. The whole thing helps, And I think it could just do nothing but help organize. That's why I think this was such a big win for the Pac 12 today, Bill. Huge huge winds and a huge win for the conference, and it allows them some freedom. I mean, like I said, I took for them to come in with the confidence that they did ran the ball effectively basically to me, even without Justin Flowing, David Thibodeau. It was not this like disparity and athletes. If you know what I mean, like it wasn't like Ohio State's players were that much better than organs at all. And especially aside from maybe Wilson and a lot of who to me our first round Special guys. I mean, it looked pretty even You've got to just give Oregon Mario crystal ball ton of talent from the way they came in and won this game for the rest of the Ohio State schedule. They really can't afford another loss. I don't know what you're getting out of Michigan. I know Penn State, you know, they might open it up more. Coming up on October 30th, but the rest I mean, you just You just have to beat those opponents and you have to beat those opponents and look good doing it. Well, for sure. I mean, you just can't twice that's kind of the unwritten rule the playoffs. Don't lose twice and Go ahead and win the games that you can, and I think you know, state that offense is going to probably be the best in the big 10. I don't know if anybody is going to challenge them defensively like Oregon did today, but I mean, if you're in state, you're feeling better by your chances. If you're Iowa they win today. They're going to find out. You said you're not going to talk about that game. But if I will win They've got to feel a little bit better about their chances, and it just opened that door and keep in mind. Guys like This is Brian. I believe this is around days first. Regular season losses. The head coach, It's.

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on The Tony Kornheiser Show

The Tony Kornheiser Show

02:38 min | 1 year ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on The Tony Kornheiser Show

"Emergency room doctor right at sibley. Yes sort of amazing right yes i mean. He's good at two things inside. Room and instruments fantastic. Nigel bethesda bagel at go ahead. Knock it. yes that's the bagels. We love them. You will as well in fact when i was in there this morning. Got hardy lachey serie from one of the patrons in there all you need to do is go to the bagels dot com for the location in the dc area. Nearest you then pop on in and you will be thrilled tremendous news. Big news celebrate boots. He's turning four with buzi. Four code at johnnie o. And father's day four new number four o. T. s. I e four four. Oh koga johnny also gets a matching swim trunks. It's lovely stuff for kids to my grandchildren are the best dressed boys in the united states of america. That will just about do it for us today before we get to the mail. Let me just say. He died in a bizarre gardening accident. It was one of those things that authorities felt was best left unsolved. I assume i assume that's from the rocky mentally final tests. I'm gonna assume that. Thanks to our guests today. Ron darling and brian windhorst both great thanks to our sponsors sunday express. Vpn in new hero. Remember you can listen to us. An apple podcasts. Spotify google play. See if get show through i tunes beasley review from david sibito. When will subway come to the realization. That will bond should be their national spokesperson. Shut up thrush knuckleheads. David the still silent david thibodeau. I got that wrong. Nick foresight of washington crossing pennsylvania. Use the town. That george washington crossed the delaware from was named washington crossing this past week. My girlfriend showed up at our apartment with subaru. not just any color. Subaru but subaru decided that instead of beige. They'd add some metallic green and colin tungsten. She previously drove a nissan altima. That was about a safe as a pinto so just assume that it broke down. This was a rental and she decided not to say anything. So i wouldn't leave work early to help when i questioned her about what happened. She told me she bought it. And i- relegated her to the sofa until this past weekend this morning when heading out to my car i saw a couple of new badges on it. Apparently of subaru wasn't pretentious. Enough they have a badge of ownership program where people can share your passions. Tell your story connect with others unquote. I am doing to spend the next couple of nights at my parents house. She's in medical school. So i really don't want to break up with our. I'd love the free healthcare. My question is should. I just break up with her or poor sugar in the gas tank so she gets.

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"david thibodeau" Discussed on Discover Lafayette

Discover Lafayette

07:47 min | 2 years ago

"david thibodeau" Discussed on Discover Lafayette

"See how far it reached and then it took about twenty minutes for a hit me and go. Oh wait. mar- children are going to be home. Wait wait what do i do. I do monday morning. And so you guys had to pivot pivot in took a couple of weeks to even put together. Any kind of online meet simply weren't prepared for online learning that scale even without fail right and so it took us a couple of weeks to even have enriching activities or two teachers. You know it was really tough in the beginning in Still remember the first zoom call from my son who is in second grade and he got on emry came in said how was the second grade zoom call and said oh it was just a bunch of kids yelling and screaming on zoom because southern because every time every time they'd see another classmate pop up on the screen they were so cute after a month of them not being able to leave the house that they got to see their friends. But we did that and we did our best and it was not enough and it was just just. I don't know what else you could have done to to make a difference in those two months other than just try your best and at least put forth an effort which i think we did you know. Tell me now though. The kids have been back in school sent going to school every day to school since august since postponed ignorant. 'cause my kids are in school anymore and you're out of it really starts in september. We modified the calendar. We took away some holidays. We took away some breaks in there. And we're going to end on a normal thing to school every day. The ghost mastodon. They're the best people to follow. All of these rules have been the children especially the elementary school children because they followed her gray safer direction. I wish we were all like that. Assimilate to whatever the environment is. They'll come home and forget they have their masks on. And it's like an hour later on us and you take it all and they say oh they just forget that they're wearing rates so you know we spent the summer really coming up with the the guidelines and i say we. I mean the superintendent right like the school board. Trust right mistrial we She's wonderful we. We just made the decision right. She she presented the plan to us and said can we do this. And the school board said will yes. You may do that. That's the plan but it wasn't without arguments. It wasn't without disagreement. And there you know. There was a basically a five to four vote on whether the person school or state completely virtual and for any school decision anything involving educational. It's extremely personal for so many people and families are so passionate about The curriculum about dress code about i mean you name it and so when you're talking about a pandemic in a life or death decision that's kind of what was so. The passion was very prevalent was on all sides on all sides and you know one of the things that are are give us a lot of credit for when she came up with a plan that really allowed each family to choose what was best for them and so we have to stay home the lafayette online academy which is completely virtual school and so that was opened. We went from having about two hundred students that having about eight thousand students at the lafayette online academy overnight. Basically everybody ninety thousand thirty thousand students thirty two thousand students total that are in the public schools public school system So that's one we have that and then we had in person in person learning with the caveat that in person learning you had millions every time because we had these guidelines about when we record tina class when move quarantine a student a class. A school south side. I think went completely virtual for two weeks around thanksgiving. David thibodeau did the same thing but outside of that. I think we've been very fortunate in that. We haven't had the quarantine entire school federal quarantine classes here and there following the appropriate guidelines. And you know whatever successes we've had this year and there been some and what failures as well but whatever success we've had this year had been a credit to the teachers and the administrators at school level. The central office staff in mistruths claire for putting the plan together in the summer and and the school board for just letting them do it just letting them go do what they do best. Because i don't know where we'd be as a as a system if we kept our children home office time right. I don't know where we'd be as a society. Frankly that that hands off you know we empower you to do your job but we hold you accountable for doing your job. That is something that makes lafayette school board. Very different from other boards around the state who were still in that kind of i say good old boy but that's about what it is the old mindset of really interfering in central micromanaged wanna. I don't wanna make it sound. Like i don't want anybody thinking. Criticizing saint landry pair. School works ensure they made the decision that best fit their needs but their superintendent came to them much in the same way dave with a plan to open schools and the school board voted to not open schools and to go to be completely virtual to start. School said he had to regroup to regroup he had to put together a complete virtual plan on the fly but they face even more significant challenges there laughing because relatively speaking run their infrastructure infrastructure on relatively speaking city. Latvian has fiber cox. At and t. unsettling it's different. It's different. it's the thing evident when you lied. You innovate and try something exactly and they weren't able to successfully do so. I think we saw that sometime around. The parents started really attending school. Board meetings and demanding that they open school so before we take a break. I want to ask. You just don't want to pivot timorese position. What she does at the state level with the money coming in from the the rescue plan. The american rescue plan is lafayette parish that the school system. Are they getting money to address some issues. Yes can you touch on it somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty six million dollars that we're going to get there but we're going to see a lot of money. It's a lot of money in the ads. It's ten percent of our budget right. So let's that's a budget is three hundred million dollars annually. So maybe eight and a half percent of our budget we're going have. It's going to very specific guidelines restrictions. On what you can spend it on a lot of it has to be. You need to be making the school safer remember. President biden said this money is to open schools when we build. We've been making it. were right. maybe we've you know we haven't been able to put people exactly six feet apart but were four feet apart with masks on. You know we've been making it work the money. Generally i think has to be spent improving the educational outcomes for situations like this. So i think you can. You can spend it on. We're working on a project to have Para flight wifi for our students. And i was gonna ask the second. Go to the kids that the kids. It may not have had. It's going to go to every kid. So what we're focusing on is not d- have access the you not have access what we're focusing on are you a student will then do you. If you're a student that means you have chromebook that as you and if you have a chromebook that we gave you if you're anywhere in lafayette parish..

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