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"david shore" Discussed on The Larry Elder Show
"That is jay johnson. That's the former department homeland security secretary under barack obama and that was back in april of two thousand nineteen. So now we're talking about he. He was like over. A thousand is a bad day so thirty thousand month. Approximately and now under the biden administration just breaking records while the media remained silent. One hundred eighty eight thousand illegal crossings in one month over six times. The number that jay. Johnson said he would be concerned about. This is a stunning. Let me go to the lines. Real quick we have shannon in north carolina. Shannon you've got the mic over tall. Hey how's it going let's see As far as Biden is concerned He doesn't want The cubans here. Because i think i might have feared this out. Didn't catch all the show but he didn't want to cubans because they will be able to tell people what communism does and they will vote republican and Let's see the other issue I'm trying to remember i. I'm desktop to the grocery store. Let's see Well you're you're gone. Blank are no no no. You're fine. you're absolutely right a did cover that you're you're absolutely right. I mean they the cuban the. I'm sorry the cuban people would be able to share the harshness and the horrors of communism. And that's exactly why the democrats don't want them here. There's no if answer buts about it. I mean these people can if biden wanted to help the cuban people and just provide access as far as internet access is concerned. They could do that. I've heard guantanamo bay there. They could make it happen and that would be a big help so that the people there are informed. The people there know what's going on. No you know what to expect. And so they biden administration. They're letting at the left is the one thing about this election. The left is letting us know exactly who they are. We're seeing clarity on every issue. Do they care about human suffering in cuba. No do they care about human suffering on the southern border no again. The number of of bodies remains have been found. You know have been exceeding numbers in in several years past. They don't care about these people they care about Power garcia navarro goes on to acid. Just wanna finish this up. Because i just think the numbers are pretty amazing garcia navarro of npr goes on a to ask this gentleman David shore of the open. Labs are indeed progressive nonprofit group So the logic. I guess follows the talking about highly. Partisan issues like immigration for example is in a winning formula. In fact most hispanics wouldn't necessarily put immigration at the top of their list of priorities for reform. Why then is the democrat party trying so hard to push these issues and then this gentleman shore david shore goes on to say There's been a really big change. In how democrats. Talk that you know. Democrats historically were seen as this kind of coalition party You know we have this broad. Mix and here he goes. This is where he explains that we have this broad mix of conservative black and hispanic voters and we have white liberals we have the working class white people and you know we try to find language that makes everybody happy but i think with the rise of online donations with the rise of social media. This has really changed. The incentive structure how democratic politicians get ahead. This is why people like can have so much power within the democrat party because she has so much poll on social media and the left knows it. She had donors behind it. They know it so she can force the party left. And that's exactly what's happening this guy cau- but it's scaring some people away all right when we get back. This is carl jackson for larry elder. We'll talk about mass mandate in los angeles will back in a few. Carl jackson will be back on. The larry elder show. Now here's special. Guest carl jackson on the larry elder show. I.
"david shore" Discussed on WBUR
"New data from the 2020 election shows a big swing in one voting group away from the Democratic Party. Latinos made a significant right would turn and partisans of both parties are looking hard at why one of them is David. Sure he is the head of data science had opened Labs R and D a progressive nonprofit, and he joins us now to talk about it. Hello? Hi. So after the election, there was this narrative that the Latino vote swung right because of Cubans in Florida or Mexican Americans in South Texas. But what did you find when you looked precinct by precinct? Precinct by precinct. You know what we really found was that even though there were particularly market shifts, you know, in South Texas, there were 30 point swings in many counties. You know, there were counties that voted for Democrats solidly in the 70 to 80% range since the 18 nineties that Trump either won or came very close to winning. And in South Florida generally and Florida in general, there was something like a 13 or 14% swing. That said, basically everywhere where there were large concentrations of Hispanic voters. There were large swings in the 6 to 9% range. And you know that ranges from you know the Bronx in New York to Arizona to Massachusetts to California. This was a national trend that happened basically everywhere And you know, one of the biggest predictors of switching from voting for Clinton in 2016 to voting in Trump, where attitudes toward crime attitude short policing, you know, I think that that's a microcosm for like a larger story. So when you spend time talking to these folks, what did they tell you was behind that? I mean, was it the sort of racial justice issues that to fund the police was just not a popular message to them. I think the simplest way to look at this is ideology. I think that in the last four years as the clout of college educated white people in the Democratic Party has increase, you know, the Democratic Party brand has increasingly been associated with liberalism in a way that it might not have been before, And I think that there's a lot of micro stories. I think that you know if you look at defund the police that's a highly ideological issue where liberals are on one end and conservatives on the other, and that really contrast to other issues. You know, like increasing the minimum wage or getting people health care where there really are a lot of conservatives who defect and have liberal positions on these issues. So the logic I guess follows that talking about highly partisan issues like immigration, for example, isn't a winning formula. In fact, most Hispanics wouldn't necessarily put immigration at the top of their list of priorities for reform. Why, then does the Democratic Party trying so hard to push these messages? It's a great question, You know, I think that there's something that you know, I've struggled with a lot in my career. And I think there's been a really big change in how Democrats talk that you know, Democrats historically were seen as this kind of coalition party that you know, we had this broad mix of conservative black and Hispanic voters and white liberals and working class white people. And, you know, we tried to find language that would make everyone happy. But I think with the rise of online donations with the rise of social media Yeah, This is like, really change the incentive structure for how a democratic politician can get ahead and I think that that's really changed. How we talk and how the party is perceived in really fundamental ways. Well, one party's loss is another's gain. And you've concluded that former President Donald Trump and by extension Trumpism has been good for the Republican Party in terms of broadening and diversifying its base. Well, you know, I definitely don't want to say that Donald Trump is good. You know, I'm a liberal Democrat and everything, but I think there's a real point, which is that the big thing that Donald Trump did is he created these large coalitional shifts, you know, in 2016 among non college whites and in 2020 among non college nonwhites. Toward the Republican Party and kind of pushed, you know, college educated voters toward the Democratic Party. But these voters aren't distributed, you know, efficiently geographically, you know, Donald Trump because of these coalition shifts that his strategy you know, ended up making happen. The bias of the Electoral College went from, you know about a point in favor of Democrats. If Barack Obama had gotten 49.5% of the vote, he still probably would have won the Electoral college to being four points biased against Democrats. Joe Biden got about 52.3% of the vote, and if he had gotten 52% of the vote, he would have lost. And that's a sea change in American politics. That's the way in which I think Donald Trump has helped the Republican Party is that the coalition shifts that his rhetoric have triggered has made it so that Republicans can win majorities with 48% of the vote consistently, and, you know, contrary to what people might say This is never happened before in American politics, and I think that this explains, you know a lot of why the Republican Party is acting the way they are. David Shore, head of data science and open labs, R and D. Thank you very much. Thank you. Costa Rica is ancient indigenous people made pots from clay and from stone. They carved figurines and tools and for nearly a century, the Brooklyn Museum had many of these artifacts in its collection. Recently and announced that it had repatriated more than 1300 objects to the museum. National The Costa Rica I view it as a win win situation. That's Nancy Rosado, senior curated for the Arts of the Americas at the Brooklyn Museum. She initiated the reparation after she was hired in 2000 and one As I was in storage, paying the collections, I noticed that there was a great deal of material from Costa Rica. And as I looked more closely, I saw a lot of it was ceramics that were not in great condition. There was stone tools that an art museum would never display. But those ceramics had high research value. So Brasov reached out to the muscle National, the Costa Rica. It's a museum is devoted to the antiquities of Costa Rica. I think the will be better. Equipped to make the necessary repairs to some gorgeous ceramics and stone work that we just were not equipped to do here. See when I'm sure there's a spirit that Galactica's cannot in many of these archaeological pieces. We didn't have specimens like them. That's heavier fires. A curator at the Musee national, He's excited about one artifact, in particular a large carved headstone. It wasn't finished. Estelle Appiah knows the not permitted. This headstone allows us to understand how artisans created them in the ancient times that the scientific level it's a very important aspect to understand how they worked on stone computer. That unfinished headstone is in the second wave of repatriated objects from the Brooklyn Museum. The first was about a decade ago. The objects were donated by the widow of minor Cooper, Keith and American tycoon involved in the founding of the United Fruit Company, which exported bananas at the turn of the last century. Keith also built Costa Rica is railroad and exploited workers on his way to Fortune and Fame Writer David Copal spoke to the NPR podcast through line about Keith's legacy last year in the banana world. The workers are slaves. I mean, that's really the only way to put it. It's an era of sanctioned slavery. With the support of the United States government. Keast workers uncovered ancient artifacts while clearing land in Costa Rica. He shipped around 16,000 objects back to his home in New York about 1/4 of those ended up at.
"david shore" Discussed on WJR 760
"Like Democrats are doing. We have just off just 30 more minutes and it's been great having you on. Hopefully we can do this again soon. It's been totally enlightening if you could give one warning to each party. Going into 2022. What would that be? What I would say is that Democrats the party holds, the presidency usually loses midterms on. So you know what I would say to the Democratic Party is that if you follow and this is what I do, tell them a few follow business as usual on just act the same way that Democrats acted in 2009 or 2014, or ask the way that Republicans acted in 20. 2017 then will Democrats will lose on but that's that's just, you know, this is what there are not that many strong patterns and politics. But the fact that midterms are very hard. That is a consistent imager across the last 60 years. That's the warning I would give Democrats is that in order to overcome this We really need a lot of discipline. We need toe, not not talk about unpopular things. You have to listen to voters to meet them where they are and what I'll say about on the Republican side. Is that the one example really going back in the past 40 years where where party that was in the opposition really failed to make the games that they really deserve. I mean, I think 2002. But I'm going to discount that. Um, it's 1998 on do that, You know, I think was I think a lot of people at the time thought that that was just do the Republicans overreaching on impeachment? And so I think you know the answer there is that it's good to criticize. You know, it's it's healthy to criticize the president, but it is possible to go too far. And, you know, not even making a morality play. Parties that have gone too far in the past has paid a price for that. And so it's helpful to be measured, and it's helpful to be seen as productive by the American people. Thank you, David. Show for your insights. The takeaway. Don't overplay your hand. If you're Republican and showed you can govern If you're a Democrat, we're going to keep on bringing the truth and balanced. Thank you, David Shore for your time, and now here's traffic identical. This report is sponsored by life lack identity theft protection. Identity thieves love tax forms with personal info needed to steal your identity. That's why Lifelock helps protect.
"david shore" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"Right. Joe rarely. I'm always stoked. But rarely am i this stoked for show yesterday sitting in the oncologists office waiting for my cat scan. I'll give you the results tomorrow. Let's hope everything's good. I think it is mall. About the power of positive thought these days yet and i'm scrolling through for content right joe for tomorrow show because that's all my entire life has show prep. That's all i do these days. And i come across this. Absolute gem in new york mag dot com by eric levitz david shore on why trump was good for the gop. And how can win.
"david shore" Discussed on Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes
"It's definitely true. That in the arrogant these. These changes are small and it's also true that there are fewer people are a lot more partisan than they were before but twenty twelve. Wasn't that long ago. I think that if obama was able to arrest this kind of development it should be possible to go back. I don't think you know. These people are gone forever. And i think that you know it is mccain if you look at why people changing their minds you know. It's fundamentally because of how parties are presenting themselves. How the media is talking and these are things that are malleable. It's very difficult. It'd be very difficult for us to go and change these things. But i think if it happened we would see change. And it's something that's worth doing. That's great that's a great point. I think a great place to end. Because i mean obviously i'm not an because i still get up every morning and keep doing my work and i thought it didn't matter at all i think i would stop So it's used point that like people do change and things change over time and there are swings that are larger than ever and the other thing i think the last thing and i think you'd agree with this. Is that after every election. People do this where they take. They take the current line and they just draw it out into the future and like that's never the way it works. It's like the margin swing in both directions and opposite directions to based on how good the campaign is how the candidate is what the conditions of the country are. So it's like you know. There's always some new demographic group of like the latino trump and it's like yeah. There's a lot more. Latino trump voters this time the last time. But that doesn't mean that like the next four years is going to be that that trend continues in that direction. Like these are these trends. Do move in opposite directions based on stuff. And i think even though this has been kind of this sixty seventy year trend. I think the big question of the next couple of years is that it is it is clear. I think you know to a people on the party to politicians. And i think to anyone looks at it closely that the current coalition the democrats have isn't workable in isn't consistent beano withholding legislative power. You know we talk about the electoral college. The senate is much much more biased in the electoral college. You know these rural states have wave your college educated voters and so the big question is are even. This trend wasn't a liability for them previously. Twenty twelve we really had this sweet spot. The electoral college was actually biased. A little bit in our favor because you know we had this kind of blue wall in the mid west but it was also just enough for us to win. These states like virginia in colorado and now that it is clearly a problem for the first time. The big question is is the democratic party. Going to adjust. It's not it's not a lot of physics. it's not that like every college educated person is in inexorably drawn to the right. It's a product of decisions that the democratic and republican party are making and now that the incentives are so much greater than they were before. It's just a question of are we going to have to make these hard coalition choices in order to adjust. David shore is a data scientist. He works a consultant on various democratic campaigns and super pacs. That was super gray. David thank you so.
"david shore" Discussed on The Happy Warrior Podcast
"Republicans in control of both houses of congress not only are republicans in control of more statehouses than almost ever before freedom loving legislation constitutional amendments about measures were passed across the country. My favorite was in california. There was a literal jim crow. Reverse a bill that was going to change the california state constitution to make discrimination legal under the guise of affirmative action. Guess what even california with a super majority of democrats. The people of california came out in a very big way and affirmatively voted racial discrimination down as you are well aware they were about measures pass across the country decriminalizing drugs and making marijuana legal in my home state of south dakota. The only made medical marijuana legal for recreational marijuana legal which says to me in a big way that people are turned off to the drug war and wanted to stop. That is a big deal. That is people saying that they want people to be able to have personal freedom whether you agree with people wanted to have marijuana or whatnot. It's a good sign because it says that people want self control of their own lives guys. This election people are saying that this was supposed to be the blue wave. No this election was the blue trickle people came out and they voted against donald trump. But they did not vote against conservatism or republicans. This election saw incredible things that change everything for the future of this country. In politics we saw split ticketing return in a very big way. And that's a big deal because it says signals that people are willing to want a stable government. They can't move forward very much okay. This is something that americans traditionally did and we got away from. It looks like we're coming back to it. We also see new support for republicans for donald trump from minority from gay from Individual groups are usually thought out to be in the democrat stronghold the cave. This has been going on since two thousand eight. There was this notion Economists political david shore has written about this quite a bit. There was a notion that if the democrats could just get enough white people to go away and get enough minority people in the country out to vote they will be able to create a coalition that would control the country for hundred years or more and they just need to know when this could happen. They thought maybe it started in two thousand and eight but it didn't happen then they thought maybe it'd in two thousand twelve but exactly happen then again. They tried twenty sixteen. Nope and now the tried at once again. Twenty twenty big know how big of a now we are seeing support for donald trump through publicans from certain minority groups that we haven't seen since richard nixon and ike of for example fifty..
"david shore" Discussed on WMAL 630AM
"Talking about the United States Senate In the last thing on that, Tom tell us Cal cunning and race the polls. Polls just got it come wrong. The real clear politics average real clear. Politics is gonna have to look at all these pollsters, and that's whether or not they should keep aggregating them because they have proven to be you. Useless now for several elections, But the RCP average was Cal Cunningham was up 2.6 points. You know where this thing ended? As I just said a moment ago, Tom tell us wins by 1.7. Wins by 1.7. And if I look back just as all of the polls on Cal Cunningham, um they all stay, Cunningham. I mean, sorry, the all the holes in this race, they all say Cunningham's going to win. It's all blue. And in the end, one result is red. And it's the only one that matters. It's election Day and tell us the posters were wrong and it's interesting. Why were they wrong? Well, one explanation is coming out of The New York Times New York Times, Nate Cohn is suggesting that One of the explanations is that the pandemic made Democrats more responsive to pollsters. Listen to this quote. The basic story is that after the lock down, Democrats just started taking surveys because they were locked at home and didn't have anything else to do. This is, according to David Shore, a Democratic pollster who worked for the Obama campaign in 2012 he nearly all of the national polling error could be explained by the Post Cove it jump in response rates. I'm wrong. Democrats. So the theory being that Republicans continued to go to jobs that were outside of their homes by and large and Democrats were holed up in their house and decided one of the ways they would distract themselves was to have conversations with strangers. Well, listen, if you're going to take surveys, I get asked all the time. Don't you get us all the time online about Hebe get paid to take surveys right thinking from home. At least I was gonna lose that would do something like that always get paid or get gift cards to take surveys, as opposed Todo something like that. That's interesting. What's also interesting is that they admit that it's most likely because that conservatives were out working. Acknowledging that Khun Services were out working and liberals were staying home looking for the first person who made a million bucks by answering survey questions. I'd like to meet that guy answer questions all day. Exactly..
"david shore" Discussed on 1A
"And oppression that that individual represent so in the case of somebody like an Amy Cooper There is this sense for many black people. In particular. That there is no safe space for them that they're constantly being policed by individuals, not only the police themselves, but actual other fellow citizens within society, and that creates. A CERTAIN OF RACIAL TRAUMA AND An, inability to actually have a good sense of health and well being in the world, and so I think we saw especially kind of after the Mukuka situation. You know you have things like you know. Hashtag, blackboard. And have hikers week. That was mobilized in solidarity, and in support of the fact that this is speaking to a larger issue that many people base of not feeling safe being in nature, not feeling safe, even being in a park because of the policing occurs for black and Brown people, simply through the eyes of others, simply through the fear of having the police called on you, and in this case Amy Cooper lost her job. She's facing misdemeanor charges. And even Christian Cooper said that he thought that she'd been punished enough Thomas. What are your thoughts on the Amy Cooper Situation? Just the idea that sometimes people are are symbols of a larger structural issues in this canceled culture. Yeah I think that when you have a large enough quantitative shift, then it becomes a qualitative change, and this is an example of how we're really in a new era, and this is novel behavior. Amy, Cooper was obviously wrong in something that happened between her and another man in the park in between the police and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people descended on her. So out of proportion that the person upon whom she had. Acted unfairly thought that she had been extraordinarily unfairly treated, but I'm a lot less interested in someone like Amy Cooper then I am in someone like David Shore and I. think that our conversation has has continued to talk around. What's actually going on David? Shore was a young data analyst at Civis analytics. And he shared research without adding commentary to it. From a black! Economic at Princeton University named Omar Oiseaux. I hate even mentioned that. Himself Black, but this is the type of conversation that we're forced to get into an parts people's. moral standing by their identity. He shared research on the efficacy of violent and non violent protests in election years, and what it bodes for Democrats. And he was, he was actually fired from his job and there he was kicked out of an Internet. list-serve that he was on with other data analysts. Because, he shared research that was said to be insensitive to the moment, even though it was just. Factual data and you would think that data analysts would be supposed to would be encouraged to actually look at what the numbers say as opposed to what the narrative say. It's extremely terrifying that this type of thing can happen, and he does not have a job and we're sitting here. Talking about whether cancel, culture exists or not. Gave Quick. Here before we take a pause Aaron tweets us and says in reality. The outcry over canceled culture is a reaction to marginalized voices, finally having some influence but twenty seconds. I think what happened. David shore is horrible I think we address that in our letter. I wished the Harper's letter had more than generalities and I wish they brought up that example specifically because I think makes that should be discussed. Yeah, but I think that's an anomalous example. I don't think it's part of a trend and if Thomas wants to say that, we should be looking at data to say that there's a trend of cancel culture. I would like to see that data because I haven't seen any. We're discussing. Cancel Culture with Thomas Chapter, Ten Williams,.
"david shore" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"By the authoritarian right. There is a danger that the overcorrection can harden into a interest dogma that we have to I guess in the news the last few days has been Trump trying to identify with the critics of cancel culture by standing up for Confederate statues. A cz well as others, but including Confederate statues. Is that relevant to your letter? That is completely irrelevant. And someone like Donald Trump is not a good faith actor. He's not a good faith participant in the kind of debate that, um, speaking for myself. I was trying to participate in that I'd imagine any of the signatory is attempting to participate in Confederate monuments are not being canceled. There shouldn't be monuments in the United States of America to, um aside that fought against the country to two traders of the republic that That's um is false equivalency with the kind of thing that we're talking about here when? When Colin Katherine it cannot work for having a political opinion that he expressed freely when You have people like David Shore? Um, who get fired for sharing simply for tweeting research? You know, that was one of the most egregious examples that happened recently, You have the chairman of the board and the president of the Poetry Foundation, forced to step down because their statement in support of black lives matter. In support. I stress was not And if it's strong enough, they have lost their jobs for what was deemed to be to tap it of a response. You have the same situation on the board of the National Book Critics Circle. These are neither worrying examples of a kind of authoritarian ing on DH intolerant. Adrift in our nation's cultural and media institutions. Thomas Chattering and Williams on this program last week. Joining us now are a signatory of the Harpers letter that he organized new school professor Claire.
"david shore" Discussed on Dan Barreiro
"Emailer mark have followed the David shore firing after an activist called out David shore and made waves on twitter. This thing blew up. Real reason was fired. Workers were telling his employer. Won't did not feel, safe. Short, suppose it's the ultimate trump card is they say as Matt TV said about this. How empirical evidence able to make someone feel. Unsafe when you cannot give facts anymore. We are in trouble. We've talked about that over the years it. It's. Almost, on arguable when someone says they're not safe, and in this case you're saying you're not safe. Because one person quotes to one study. That offers up one opinion. On strategies when it comes to demonstrations going back fifty years. We're not going to get anywhere in terms of honesty if that's where we're at and differences of opinion are blunted. On the basis of that that particular link to that conclusion about a factual study does not make me feel. Safe. emailer Max going back to the Holy Land Story the were incredibly racist and vulgar. Absolutely unacceptable. The company deserves whatever. Comes to it. The language using our show is unsettling, describing the. As Bob and accusing companies have making decisions out of fear is dangerous, inflammatory rhetoric, and both your examples. You provided incomplete information on and on and on. A So I guess a suffice to say, Max does not agree regardless of what the and by the way I left it open on Holy Land I was asking for opinions I'm about to read a couple of other emails on it I thought that was much tougher for the obvious reason about the fact that she was employed there. etcetera the question. Apparently maximum fine is there can be no difference of opinion. On what rises to the level that satisfies him. That's where we're at. And and he's even using the language. That attempts to blunt. Any of this debate unsettling. Dangerous. That's what convinces again Max. If we're going to have an honest discussion in this country about some of these issues, we have to be able to have those discussions without those code words that attempt to do one thing to shut up the other individual. I'm throwing out these examples. We'll see if on the other two that we mentioned what Max comes up with regarding what makes it saleable to for people to have lost their particular jobs I didn't even rule it out at all in the Holy Land case. But I'm. We're trying to talk about a larger issue. emailer Christopher. Now, that's not the one I wanted Whereas the other one here the issue. did I read this on I ready to i. read this from Charles No, the issue for that most took offense to. in the holy case with the owners daughter while teenage time indicators, the homophobia and racism were part of our family's values, and she thought that was comical. Parentheses to be black was bad enough to be made it worse I. Don't believe someone makes something like that up. The daughter is also mocked my mother-in-law for action and treated her like crap because of it when she was working at the store. We stopped going along time ago. Because of that bleeping attitude, and despite her dad's successes and apple like that does not fall far from the tree. Unfortunately, that's why I brought this stuff up opinions. Different points of view. It should still be legal for us to do. It should still be a permissible. For us to do as As well I got an email from someone who listened in the zone, Saturday. we approved message for the NBA for the backs of the jerseys. and. To Email Mitchell City and double t. both stated although they approve of the concept, they don't totally agree with players going through with it because we're player doesn't want message in the back of the Jersey, they will be scrutinized for it. They weren't fully on board with the idea and I. think that recollect the same concept here. If a player chooses not to kneel, for whatever reason there'll be scrutinized. We live in a tough time damned if you do. Damned if you don't, it is related to that subject as well What if you decide you WANNA? Put Your own name on the back of Your Jersey. For whatever reason or name or An item that is considered a little bit less. What's the word I'm looking for? Powerful a little bit more. Some those were real I wouldn't call them. Neutral by would call them some of them a little bit more vibrant in their expression, then others. will there be judgment there. Maybe there won't be. Maybe it'd be less of that than we think, but they on the basis of the controversy surrounding a player in soccer, a sport that still not a mainstream. I would be shocked if indeed there wasn't. More of exactly. That down the down the road. Their entire groups of activists who sold purposes dig up old tweets post comments with the intent of getting people canceled and their reputations destroyed, and by the way they're people both right and left. Who are doing this? Who are actively? That's what they do for a living. That's what they're looking for. Now it's become a game of well. I'm just doing what they're doing. And so turnabouts fair play, and we're going back and forth in In that particular regard. He writes if your grandmother would approve of it, you can post it where it said Cetera deep down. You know that she wouldn't approved. Don't post it well. Yeah, but what if you have a racist Graham? They're out there. They were out there. Absolutely it's. I'm not even sure that I'm not even sure that would be the litmus test depending on. You know what your family. Situation Might Indeed Be. An affair favorite lunch spot of my. When I worked at a handy place to their think it's a business that's run well. Satisfied customers had a strong presence in the community. Lots of hustling employs paying attention. Their job in the building was cleaned updated and kept up well I give them five stars business bigger issue. We need a society degree. An apology actually counts well. That's part of what you were talking about Do we. We have again a big split on the in some ways, we believe in the importance of forgiveness. But in other ways, we don't believe in that concept at all. And so to that extent it, we're at a point where no, it doesn't appear as if any level of apology will will work in the short. Run, and maybe in some cases and I would say in some cases. That's fine I would agree with it, actually it, because sometimes the apology itself doesn't even become particularly. Air Isn't particularly persuasive, but what is penance? In Two thousand twenty. Is there such a thing? Is that? Is there such a thing as coming back from? That is a period of years. Is it a period of weeks? Is it a period of decades? How long is it at this point? I? Don't know how. When is it okay to Reenter Society and start over? We don't have those answers right now. No, we don't seem to I mean and and eventually maybe we will. Maybe eventually things will indeed calm down in that regard, or at least will come to a place where it'd be more agreement on the chance for redemption. Because sooner or later, otherwise, everybody's going to get a canceled at one form or another todd. Big Day for Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City chiefs historic day in some regards. And One sports bubble. Burst Dan but it's leaking. One of the bubbles is already leaking. You've gotta be kidding I wish I was. Tell us. Which sport yet are you gotta come back fat? Just in case you missed it. It's the top five sports talkers of the day now it's time for Jan Barreiros top five at five driven by Morton Volvo..
"david shore" Discussed on 860AM The Answer
"Is a letter a friend of mine who is an out of the cloud to conservative works in Hollywood brought to me about an exchange he had with industry vet whose career spanned at least thirty years but this industry that is not out of the closet as a conservative twenty one and the vet knew other people around and did not want to let anybody know that he knew this at the club the conservative quote privacy at the close to conservative I gave me a hug and say good bye by the time I reached my car outside already tax me twice he apologized for not taking an active role in the discussion and he said that there were people present in the office cubicles nearby a didn't want to have to argue with him after that or be treated differently at the office because he said anything that could be interpreted as pro trump he said he had to protect his job and that he really couldn't risk talking to me that's Hollywood the tolerant people who love everybody will destroy you if you disagree with them it's ridiculous and scary but it's real and I doubt most people outside of LA would believe to what extent you could be a criminal or illegal alien or Palestinian terrorists and they would lead to your defense and support your rights but god forbid you're Republican or trump supporter you're the enemy and they're blatantly against you and proud of it that's all this is the world I work every day and it's disgusting I grew up in a country where people even total strangers would say that they might disagree with my opinions but they would fight to the death to defend my right to speak my mind those days are gone apparently now they would fight to the death to keep me from talking I just thought you'd want to hear this welcome to Hollywood in trump's America Ben Shapiro somehow finagle interviews a lot of top Hollywood producers they assume that he was a left wing guy doing a study on Hollywood he that did not realize it binge appear was a conservative who's trying to expose how bigoted Hollywood is against conservatives many of them spoke and spoke on the record and agreed to be taped one of them is Fred Silverman Fred Silverman used to head up it ABC NBC and CBS he explained how lefties dominate TV right now there is only one perspective and it's a very progressives perspective and I don't even you know if you want the specter of his stomach it's not available in comics let's start there this is a guy named David shore he the creator of houses and what he says the idea that there's you know some sort of political blacklist in Hollywood where if you're right wing or it's too high you can't get a job what you make of that currently.
"david shore" Discussed on Talk About Talk
"Wpf Mark Maher cake. And Greg proops makes me laugh but other podcasts do you subscribe to. I get candidly Patriot. Member of Kenya Land. I think they do some some good work that gets looked over. Oh sorry and the secret life of Kendra listen to as well. Thank you very very much for sharing your insights with me about interviewing pleasure. I talked too much joy editing. You're supposed to talk too much. That's funny well I did it. I interviewed the interviewer about interviewing. David is so gracious and easy to talk with isn't he? Thank you again. David for sharing your expertise on conducting an interview and for reminding me to just relax. It's not brain surgery. So what were your favorite insights? Let me share with you. Three of my favorite learnings from this conversation. I the pre interview specifically three questions to ask the person in advance one. What do you want to talk about to? What's off limits and then this one's my favorite. Is there a story that you WANNA tell? Don't tell me the story but tell me what it's about so that I can queue up. I love that question. I'm definitely GONNA use that in the future. Then there's my second favorite point from his conversation during the interview no matter the context a job interview or a live interview on stage or whatever. Your main job as the interviewer is to listen and engage being in the moment and responsive to what the person is saying is obviously important but also and this is key. Don't hesitate to take a few seconds to look at the questions that you prepared. It's no big deal my last favor point contrary to what the experts might say the. Yes. No question is not off limits. I'm thinking if you're conducting a job interview or any kind of interview. Frankly you might want to know where the person stands on something so go ahead ask the US no question but then David reminds us. Of course you have to follow up with asking. Why all right? I said we'll definitely have a future. Episode focused on being on the other side of the desk had a rocket in a job interview as always. I would love to hear what you think about this episode any ideas you have for future episodes or anything else you can email me anytime at Andrea at talk about talk dot Com and as I said at the beginning. I really hope you'll sign up for Free Communication coaching through the weekly talk about talk email blog. Just go to the talk about talk dot Com website and sign up there or you can email me directly and I'll add you to the list all right. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening and talk soon..
"david shore" Discussed on Talk About Talk
"You can see the full archive of all the communication skills topics that we've covered in both the podcasts and the email blogs before we get into today's topic of conducting interviews. I WANNA clarify the difference between the talk about talk podcast and the email blog. I WanNa make this really clear based on a conversation. I had recently when I was out with friends who also happen to be podcast listeners. Here's the thing the talk about talk. Podcast IS BI weekly every second week the email blog is weekly so with the email blog. You'll get communication coaching for me. Once a week yes. I introduced the biweekly podcast and provide some fun behind the scenes stuff related to the podcast but I also cover totally separate topics that we haven't covered it all in the podcast. For example recently the email blog has covered topics such as the introvert and extrovert scale the generations. Such as boomers and millennials and how to properly conduct an introduction. These are a few of the topics that have only been covered in the email blog. So if you only listened to the podcast and you aren't subscribe to the email blog you're missing out on half the learnings you can sign up easily on the talk about talk dot com website or you can email me directly at Andrea at talk about talk dot Com. And I'll sign you up okay enough about that. Let's get into this. Today's episode is focused on the skill of conducting interviews. As in you being the one who's asking the questions it could be a job interview and information seeking interview a journalistic interview or perhaps the interview is for entertainment purposes like an interview that's presented as written article a live interview on stage or a podcast interview in the future. We'll also have an episode about being on the other side of the desk how to rocket in a job interview being the one who's interviewed but today we focus on conducting interviews our guest expert. Today is Mr David shore for those of you who subscribed to the talk about talk email blog. You may recall last year. I was interviewed on stage. A live Improv. Show here in Toronto called monkey toast not something you do every day right well not me but thanks in large part to David. It was an incredibly positive experience so I asked David if I could interview him about how to successfully conduct an interview and here. We are in this episode. You'll learn many things you'll learn about honing your interviewing skills. There is no magic bullet. It takes time in practice even the most skilled interviewers like say the HR expert in your firm. Who Conduct job interviews or famous interviewers. Like podcast. Tim Ferriss or the late night. Tv show hosts none of them. Were born instantly. Skilled at interviewing in fact in Tim Fares Podcast. He frequently talks about his. Early interview are cringe-worthy. He also mentioned how the successful people that he interviews all put their pants on one leg at a time and they all experienced multiple failures prior to their success including himself. That reminds me. We also talk. About how some of the best interviewers are not the best humans while all. Great interviewers are charming. When they're interviewing think Oprah Winfrey think Marc Maron think Matt Lauer or jeon go messy. I could go on. They're all charming during the interviews. Aren't they but clearly not? All of them are good humans. Okay back to honing our interview skills. It takes time it takes practice. There are no shortcuts except for this one thing that our guest expert David shore suggests if you take the time to critically watch or listen to tape of yourself or even others conducting interviews. You can probably accelerate your interview skill development in this episode. You'll also learn how to prepare for an interview including the importance of doing research about your interviewee tips. On how and why to conduct pre interviews and of course rating your interview script. Then there's how to make the interviewee comfortable before and during the interview and other tips for during the interview including listening and engaging but also not hesitating to take a few seconds to look down to reference your interview script and other tips such as making sure that the focus is on the interviewee and what to do when you're interviewee is nervous. Or they're not talkative and then there's the types of questions that work. Well let me tell you this. David's advice about the yes. No question just might surprise you. David also provides me some advice in terms of my interviewing skills. So there's lots of valuable learnings here for us in this interview as always you can easily access the summary or the details of this podcast by going to talk about talk dot com clicking on podcasts and then show notes. I have to tell you something quickly. I was listening to a podcast. This week hosted by one of my favorite podcasters and he actually said. There's lots of detail in this episode. So you might. WanNa go get a paper and a pen and I thought No how `bout you summarize it for me and that is exactly why I create these shows for you and I've heard from several listeners. That they appreciate these show notes so keep doing whatever. You're doing driving walking housework. Whatever you can listen and learn at the same time and then later you can go to the show notes on talk about talk website to reference. Whatever it is you need now. Let me introduce our guest expert David Shore and then we'll get into the interview. David is an improviser. A comedy writer and Improv Instructor. A celebrity interviewer a podcast and an actor. He's the artistic and executive director of a Canadian Comedy Award. Winning show called Monkey. Toast the improvise talk show. This is the show where he interviewed me on stage. If you're curious you can check out monkey toast at Monkey. Toast Dot Com David's also the producer and host of the panel show where they bring together to real journalists and to improvisers to talk about politics and real world issues. The panel show is recorded in front of a live studio audience and then also released as podcast. David's also served as a producer host of alumnus of the second city main stage and the West as a program consultant for BBC comedy and as a writer for Reader's Digest. He's also taught Improv in the UK at the Second City Training Center and at the bad dog theatre here in Toronto as you can see. David's interviewing experience is extensive. He's conducted interviews that appeared in print. He's conducted live interviews on stage and he's conducted interviews. That are edited for podcast. So here I am interviewing the interviewer about interviewing. Thank you David. So much for joining us to talk about interviewing beer. I love your artwork by step by the way soon. Especially if you've been so gracious and patient with me as I'm trying to set up my audio equipment the listeners don't know this because my audio equipment wasn't working but I was having major problems recording and David was incredibly patient and he told me that it wasn't bothering him at all. I've on your end of it so I don't know you're on my show monkey coast and we were recording it for podcast which we decided not to do is very difficult to record a live comedy show particularly that has live music and we had nights where some of the equipment wasn't working and we have to open the door because we have a big crowd and it was. It was a nightmare and then even with my other podcast panel show subjects had radio interference from a cell phone so this is a new one that I hadn't heard of radio interference from cellphones. Yeah early. It's not uncommon pending on the venue depending on the equipment. So why don't you share with the audience? Some some of the types of interviews that you've done and if we want we could we could get into equipment malfunctions sure I'm an improviser by trade which people like. What's that I I guess people would say? I'm a comedian but I don't do standup. I did what I was in high school. I TRAIN RISER. Out in. La at the Improv Olympic and then came to Toronto with the second city of the main stage there or about eighteen months. And then when I left I started my own show monkey toast. Which was it Improv. Show at it morphed into a talk show when CBC Radio Got Vall and so they trained taught me how to interview people and we worked with them for about a year. We kept it as a talk show through that I've got to. I mean that's how I met you. You were guest on the show interesting people and and through that as well for a while. I did celebrity interviews. Reader's Digest Canada We did a corporate show for them and they loved it so you were interviewing celebrities. I did I interviewed William Shatner. I they called the payday she goes. We'd love it if you Dave Thomas. Setv for our comedy issue. I'm like okay. She's like we'll pay you okay. Okay because like you want to pay me to interview one of the people I idolize growing up We had to do over the phone that he was great. They loved the interview and said Hey. Do you want to do more of these like yeah? Why wouldn't I WANNA be published in a magazine to pay as well as read by million people in Canada so I gave them a list of people with Don rickles? I think was at Bobby Orr. That's hilarious but they were like it has to be said we'd like interviewing Liam Shattner if we send you till eight interview. Who Else can you interview? They're just saying. Do One every time some of you may have heard by David. Shaw going. That name sounds familiar. That's because there's a very famous. Dave shore he's created the TV show house and the Gupta. Right and I know him. We know each other's from London Ontario is Canadian. As well I had a seder. What's with in Los Angeles so I said what about David Short? He just won the emmy for house named like the idea of David. Short Dave Chore. Yeah I had a phone number email address and contacted his wife. Of course we remember you. I'll give you not remember the other two chore. Why would you say no to beat him? Viewed by Digest. Nine billion people are gonna read set especially when it's someone that has your name. Yeah it was really an interview actually was pretty funny. So you're interviewing people for magazines. And then now you're interviewing people on stage and it's live and then you're also interviewing people for podcasts which can be edited so I have so many questions about yes. Let's start with at a basic level. How are those different legal? I haven't done a print one in a long time. I mean the Reader's digest it. I do an hour interview. And then I would have to transcribe it and then give me about twenty pages and they will cut it down to maybe a page or three quarters of the page. William Shatner's was titled Space Cowboy or something like that because he he has ranch and is it's really horses that I think he had some charities of all kids and getting them onto horses and stuff and with David Shore. We talked about his background in the fact that now that he's showing the arrogant unsuccessful. Show Alex emails directed him so asked to be at a podcast. That guy was him. Actors will contact be. What House was on? I got Fan mail sent to my agents. Because I'm an actor as well so I wouldn't things I asked him was like. Have you ever been mistaken for ever contacted? That's a great question to ask him. Eddie said Yeah I once got a call from a guy at. He's called we're talking and he's like. This is the way by Fred John. Talk jobs like you're you're not you're not the day shore and it was a friend of mine. John Wolf Krebs on Jimmy Kimmel namedrop Ed. He called the wrong David Shore. So I WANNA go back a little bit too interviewing skills earlier on here. You said that. Cbc taught you to interview. Can you share with the listeners? A few of the things that maybe you remember from back then that they tightly don't because it's a long tell you much. Forget the name of the gentlemen met with and he played tapes from interviews and he would say you see why that was bad at a big thing was do you think. This'll ring down the government. Yes that's a bad question. Anything that gives you a yes or no answers about question is let's you follow it up with why so open ended questions is kind of lake. I don't know the low hanging fruit for the types of questions to ask right. It's a we don't WANNA ASK. Yes or no question. What you're you're you will typically get a yes or no answer particularly if the person you're interviewing nervous the most important thing is you're giving someone is to have them relax like I'm not a journalist. I'm not like I told you before the show I asked you a question and you realize auto won't talk about this to say to talk about And I'm going to move on and it you know it's a comedy and I want them to be comfort. I kept telling you is wanting to be comfortable. You just just talking to me. Yep that's remember. We spoke on the phone yesterday before the interview. I just wanted to be comfortable just talking all guide you and but that to me is the most born. Thank you have to? You have to.
"david shore" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"And I remember Eric Lindros was on the cover, and then we're one from each each of the major board. Right. I'm not looking at the screen right here. Because I remember Lindros and a-rod. Yep. Kobe was the NBA. Kobe was NBA the NFL nineteen ninety eight was it Peyton Manning was he next you couldn't be more far off here. I mean, more del Stewart all my word. Well, I I went to that next party March of nineteen and I wrote for it to what did you do? What did you wrote a column called Bristol? Oh, six. Oh one. Oh, okay. Was and I just would just write about places that I went and things that I did. You know, I I've saved some of these copies of of the magazine, including one I wrote about being in the World Trade Center the month before nine eleven had a picture of my my niece who is a little girl at the time looking down from the world trade centers. So I wrote about everything clearly. If you had to create a next now. Okay. One of each sport. Who would it be? We have to use hockey. Of course, you're saying I can already hear orders. Here are our director mango who is the biggest hockey honk that we have in the in the rich Eisen show university is not happy right now. He's not happy right now. The guy for the sabres, you could go what mcdavid Kennewick? David shore, mango who would you pick virus may go for you? Tell me your our hockey expert. I mean, you have to go sign, right? Yeah. NBA two would have designed oncein. The Austin Matthews is the choice for hockey for hockey. Okay. Zion. Zion would be next Patrick Mahomes. I think NFL player I was it not. I mean, you could go saquon a basis. How do you not go? The the the kid who in his first full year being a starter two years removed from Texas Tech throws fifty touchdowns, including one with his left arm. One one of these these no looking he's absolutely the next for baseball said you said before the show, Mike, you're like, it's gotta be kinda Amari. I like, yeah. I mean, allergies. You know, you put people on the cover to be provocative, right? Although there was really nothing Cordell was the next slagging. That's all my work. Hey, he was four years or move for from from hail. Mary. Ing Michigan on that cover. Think baseball. Go Ronald a kunia, maybe than a young up and got to be. It's still gotta be trout. Don't you think he's in his eighth year? So what he's still got next Nashville young. Now, isn't it? You don't think? So you don't think he's got next as are in their mid toy twenty would be more than TRE and judge. There you go. Face of next. No, it would be Mookie Betts. Maybe you bet Stu another one of these guys are twenty six right now right now, it would be Bellinger. Oh, yeah. Holy crap. What an April he's having great fantasy pick. But it's interesting if anybody wants to call eight four four two four rich would be your next mount Rushmore right now twenty one years ago Lindros Kordell Stewart Koby in a rod. How's it not jeeter? What in
"david shore" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"In half. It could affect one hundred eighty five thousand people with suspended licenses or unpaid traffic fines developing now, say police are answering questions about why the two sketches and the Delphi. Murder case, look, so different police say they're actually two separate people to release. This new sketch Monday, it shows a younger looking curly haired man, who police think is the actual murder suspect in the death of teenagers would be urban and Abby Williams two years ago, the sketches very different than the broad face older. Man sketched right after the girls were found trooper percent. The new sketch depicts the face of the man seen walking on the bridge and video captured on German cellphone police add that the men and the old sketch is no longer a person of interest in the nation happening today services begin for an. Firing firefighter who died at a four vehicle crash. David shore was in Indianapolis fire department fire recruit of as for the twenty six year old will be held today at traders point, Christian church from noon until eight tonight. The crash happened in Hancock county last Friday. Police say a pick up truck crossed into oncoming traffic on mount comfort road near the Indianapolis regional airport. Today is opening day for the National Rifle Association convention in Indianapolis, the NRA meeting expected to bring it about seventy thousand people to the city plus protesters the president and the vice president security is the top priority. Downtown news as Katie wisely as live at the convention center. Good morning, Katie. Hey, good morning. You guys. Yes. Those doors open for the NRA today in there are some security measures that you should be aware of IMP in secret service are working together to make sure that drones and anything airborne is not allowed around this area during the convention at all they're also expecting big crowds due to the fact that the president and the vice president are expected to speak on Friday now, I m PD homeland security commander, Tom shallows told news eight the department has very little to do with the security of the president and vice president aside from securing the route to the convention center from the airport one the executive branch of the government is inside the convention center. I- NPD's focus will be outside with the protestors commander, sell and says the department response will be noticeable. Definitely.
Catching up with Freddie Highmore from 'The Good Doctor'
"And right now, there is a show right here on ABC called the good doctor, which has been more successful than I think any show in over a decade on this network. Well, it stars my guess, Freddie, Highmore. So welcome. Thank you for the lovely introduction about the show. I didn't even know that it was that figure that you quoted. So yes. Well, not that. I that just comes with somebody handed me that information off the top of your hands. Don't people treat you better. Now, you know, once they know that your show is like a gigantic ratings getter, don't they say, Mr. Highmore is there anything we could get you don't really I think, thankfully, things seem to be pretty much the same as they were before in terms of life. Sure. No, I'm still like eyeing up the thing that it's real. I need it with you. But it it makes me choke little can't have that. So you could do it and just always watch this. And I wonder if it's real of physician. Or playing one on TV gives you thirty doesn't it? You must know something by now. No, I think it actually is probably was to you know, if you're gonna play in and someone says, oh, we need an eye to raise my hand thinking that I'd learned something from the surgeries, and you know, various diagnoses that we've given the is it would be more dangerous than someone who knew nothing simply because we take shortcuts. It's like an eight-hour operation has to go in fifty minutes. And so I think I think I knew what I was doing. But I'd have absolutely no idea. Oh, yeah. You just hear simple procedure. Oh, yes. To get the knife in the wherever and Weakland around jamming Jamming in. in. Not only that. But you know, Dr show and Murphy play is. So he has this other thing going for him and. Does with that whole idea that you're playing somebody with autism? Ring this note of responsibility to one you're doing much more than if you were back on Bates motel playing and Bates, you know, a fictional character. This is also a fictional character. But again, there's this autism. That's in there. What do you do when you take on a part like that? What was your research for it? I mean, David shore, wonderful main, brighter and show Ronna sat down before the pie and also in between the pilot and making the show with the consultant that we still have on board and also just traded back and forth books and pieces of literature. Documentaries that we thought were useful gave us some sort of insight into building this one, very particular character. It's wonderful to see somebody who suffers from this who can't emotionally relate. But who cannot tell lie that's wonderful. Each getting so much trouble for just not telling a lie to somebody. And I also love how the how Sean is changing over time to and not something that David nice spoke about from the very beginning as being essential with this that in the pilot, it feels like way back when it was probably just under two years. Feels like back when I was young. There was naive to him. And he was in this big city environment. Having moved from the countryside for the very first time adjusting to this whole new world. And obviously that innocence that he had then if the situation changes over time and just because Sean it stating the obvious, but just because he has autism. That doesn't mean he's not going to grow and change changes a person. And so I guess one of the things I'm most proud of the first couple of seasons is that we've managed to show how he is progressing and learning, and we get a little bit more, which you kind of into that like a bit more of the fun and his sense of humor coming out the episode with people, and and he Dr Glassmann that Richard Schiff plays some recently when you both get high. Yes. Because you're taking his we'd pills thinking for nausea and pain. And there's just something terrific about watching that. And you could play. With that and play with the characters to do it. I also how the show will stop. When Dr Sean Murphy has this idea, and we see these visuals just what's going through his head. But this particular episode directed by you, yes. I know I'm watching it thinking, oh could have I think tweak revocable page editing. Like, oh, there's a couple of frames here and there and you get four days on the TV show to kind of all has to be done. But I don't know what directing does to people because every director of ever interviewed a watch on send does it different. But these are actors that you've been working with for two seasons. And you've written the first episode of season two. Yes. Well, but now you're pushing them around. What are you? Are. You a dictator goes on. We got what would they say? This is probably yes. Like my sticky plan. No, I genuinely just love, and I got to do both those things on base, my toddler's, well and just contributing to the show, and in that wide away makes it even more fulfilling, I guess, but but the directing was could fun apparently, I direct in my British accent. That's when it sneaks out because I try and say the American as much as possible onset. Ripping that you ration- for your next role. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. This is purely the direct
"david shore" Discussed on Awards Chatter
"Especially it was my first tv shows that i'd ever done and so suddenly it just felt the getting to tell these stories for five years was success enough in itself and on top of that to get to you know as we said right and direct it didn't in no way to feel negative yeah so at the end of these five years i think most people would assume at the end of any long run of the show like that people are gonna want a little break you know just enjoy their life a little bit not that they weren't you know you certainly sound like you were when you're doing it but like how is it that literally within a week i think you're already onto onto the good doctor how did that happen i don't know i didn't definitely wasn't planned i mean first of all how could one ever expect to like finish one show and then go straight onto something else that would be clues interesting and and inspiring with great people but yeah i was just darren vancouver focused on the last few pages that we were getting through of this big emotional climax to the show and then was off to la for few days and then was going to be coming home and read the script on the plane down for the doctor and i guess in a way that was probably reticence you're like oh well this is great like of course rita and david shore is wonderful so but it's not really going to happen it's implausible that this could be the next thing i would be doing and then i chatted with him having read the script and fall in love with the character in his writing and sat down with him and the director of the pilot.
"david shore" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka
"Um but i found it great i'm looking forward to catching up on season tutors wash the first episode this morning how did you get to the show is originally was a cbs show when you were originally in we're not involved right so originally was a cranston you created it with david shore and they did it for cbs cbs passed and you know occasionally this can happen this business when there's you know a busted pilot that there's someone else would be denied the show they made him unable to pilot episode and amazon said morgan one tell who is running drum at that time said yeah yeah okay we'd like some changes we want vince to be much you to put actually he didn't say we want you to play vance but they said will create vince says this bad guy and they only had three weeks to get it done in shoots a new seen so as i might as well be me is what brian said because then we don't have to kill that was stitching together that was just getting together just after the fact they shot some additional scenes um in factors this one pivotal seen in the pilot toward the end between mary of santa audrey the grandmother played by margo martindale and they and i realize while they shot that in the barn at disney ranch where we shot a lot of justified so at any rate than amazon said yes it you know what they would do is just put the pilot up and see how people responded in a crowd of really good response so they said let's do a series and there was you're still not involve still not involved there was a first attempt to have a writer's room and run it and it was just it was just hard to come up with the stories and i think that and so that writer's room disbanded and there was a feeling because of justified that i might be the right person and so guy watched the prime in uganda i'm in a little bit a grandmother characters that elmore leonard yeah this these it's not quite on more leonard sneaky pete but it's a more leonard he got it at five and also by the way you've got some of us him actors which is got an accident while now so once i saw and then and then uh fred golan who did all six years with me on justified in.