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"david sanger" Discussed on The CyberWire
"Michael, Riley of Bloomberg News and. Art Again of Stanford University was June twenty seventeen. I'm deputy head of the presidential administration took a few days vacation to drop my kids to the summer camp, and in the morning my start receiving text messages from my team. The think Ukraine is under attack. Infrastructures registering attacks the virus is destroying computers. Eighteen with not working hospitals reported that computers being down. TV Station Grocery stores. It was devastated spreading like fire. Ukraine is flat Amir Putin's Petri dish. It's where he experiments on every single technique that he ultimately ended up using in the United States. Breaking into emails and making them public sowing chaos with disinformation. Russia was constantly testing different strategies and different approaches in Ukraine. Attacks into the electrical grid, two, thousand, fifteen, two, thousand, sixteen. Attack on their transportation infrastructure. edessa airport Ukrainian subway in Kief. It don't see irregular. But war he's taking place and it's devastated. With it's not PECI attack with the Russians didn't count on. His that the spreading algorithms that they put in were so aggressive that wouldn't just contain itself to the networking company. Any firms with any links to Ukraine are being contaminated by this contagious virus quickly jumped out and compromise contractors. Other networks that you may be connected with skips the box and it because I had corporations companies all around the world mayors shipping was one fedex was another they lost hundreds of millions of dollars of business just from the loss of business. And the money they had to pay to remediate the damage to their systems. As the Russians gained experience and success in Ukraine. Include the US as target. Here's David again. Well, against us, we saw in the early attacks on the Pentagon, which really what resulted in the creation of cyber, command and we take you through the have a little bit in the documentary, but they also went after the email systems at the White House, they join cheese staff the State Department they got into the State Department systems in fact to the point, the State Department at a closed down new systems at various points. and. All of these led the United States to do absolutely nothing in return. And so if you're Vladimir Putin and you're thinking, okay, these guys aren't going to defend the White House system. Why would we possibly think? That they would care about the democratic national. Committee. And the answer is that Putin concluded they probably won't. And you know what's really remarkable is cyber command came into being they were focused on things like taking out isis, which was definitely a big issue in two thousand sixteen. And they really weren't looking internally at our election system and so this combination of hack and Lee of break into the DNC of make this stuff public of the facebook. As the influence. Campaign. It's not like they had their radar off the way the US military did in Pearl Harbor. Rick, they hadn't even built the radar. Now. We're doing better this year. Because they had built the radar, but of course, the Russians are trying some new and different techniques. Crowd strike was the incident response firm.
"david sanger" Discussed on Real Time with Bill Maher
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"david sanger" Discussed on Real Time with Bill Maher
"York, times national security correspondent and executive producer of the new HBO documentary. The perfect weapon based on his book of the same title now streaming on Hbo Max David Sanger David. BE Great to have you here by zoom. So your book, the documentary. Fantastic. It's about cyber warfare and I feel like this election that we're about to have is a battle in this war. and. I would hesitate to even say this is the future of warfare cyber warfare I feel like it's actually the present. Of Warfare and people haven't caught onto that yet. Would you agree with that assessment? Oh, it's definitely that the president and it so far bill we've been lucky. It's been instead of warfare. It's been sort of low level. Daily constant conflict. But everybody's been really careful. Even the Russians not to take it right up to that knowledge that would lead to a military conflict. And that's what makes the next few days. So really fascinating because as we describe in his John Maggio's laid out so well in as the director of the of the documentary. What happens over the next week whether the Russians feel like they've been beaten back by US cyber. Command by all the publicity or whether or not? They feel like they can go mess would be election and the Iranians to may well decide what's going on and may well decide whether Donald. Trump. Can Stand up and say, Oh, there's been foreign interference we need to stop and think about where these electrodes came from. Well. You mentioned the Iranians it's interesting. I read a story about the proud boys, which as we mentioned earlier. They're kind of a paramilitary group. That worked for trump and there was some stuff attributed to them online and then it turned out or it was said that this was the Iranians. Posing as the prod boys. Now, we've seen this before people try to get people on the other side excited trying to sow chaos and divisiveness. So it wasn't really the prod boys posting that it was the Iranians and then I read it was possibly the Russians posing as the Iranians. Posing, as the proud boys. So we're living in this whole of mirrors age where we don't know who is doing what or where it's coming from. How do we counter that? Well. You know as Donald Trump famously said for years ago it could have been a four hundred pound guy sitting at the edge of his bed right in this particular case, US intelligence pretty quickly track down that these emails were coming from the Iranians and did you read any of the emails? Yeah. I mean they they ran a little bit like the script writers from four at had. been writing emails. out there they weren't. The smoothest thing was ever done. They routed them through Saudi Arabia and through Estonia, and it got delivered to a few hundred people in Florida Alaska. Maybe a few few others that was pretty amateur work. What worries me more out of this bill is mother thinks we've seen happen in the past two weeks the the Russians moved there eighteen, the group that broke into all of the American utilities, the power grid they haven't turned off the tower yet. They know that would be a step too far, but they're beginning to focus on state and local governments so far they haven't touched the election infrastructure maybe they will next week maybe they just did it to. psychos out. But as you say, it's a hall of mirrors and and really nothing is safe. I mean we saw this with corporations will remember the Sony. Hack was a twenty fourteen because you know they put out South Rogan movie and North Korea didn't like it and then everybody's emails and we found out about what was going on with the executives at Sony and Sheldon Adelson got hacked because they didn't like something he said I didn't like it either but You know the city of Baltimore. Got It. Now we're seeing. ransomware. We're seeing hospitals. Are being threatened and targeted because of the pandemic and and these hackers. No. They can't afford to have their stuff shutdown right now they can't afford have their technology locked up. There is no defense. Really it's a little like I feel like when they started stealing music and everybody panicked and then everybody just went. We can't stop this. We just have to give it away. We have to go to streaming or whatever, and musicians make nothing really unless they tour because you just can't stop it. We don't know how to do that. Is that correct? Part of it is correct and part of it we're learning how to stop. So take a look at some of the hacks you mentioned Sony was one of the most interesting, and then the documentary set Rogan sort of takes you through. This as as the victim but that was a geopolitical hack. They didn't get hacked because somebody wanted to get money at Sony. They got hacked by the North Koreans because the North Koreans wanted to stop a movie that invasion the assassination of Kim Jong. UN seem pretty funny in Hollywood didn't seem so funny that the North Koreans and Sony was wide open. It took the North Koreans I mean the North Koreans bill and not exactly the top of the game here. Just days to break into Sony and while you mentioned that they released emails and they did the most interesting thing is they melted down about seventy percent of Sony's computer systems. So you're saying that Sony could not be hacked today. I Bet I'm not saying they couldn't be happy today I'm saying it was no effort in two thousand fourteen. The Sands Casino which was shelved Mandelson's casino. Why were they? Because Adelson had suggested and talk at the university that we drop a nuclear weapon in the Iranian desert and Joe the. Iranians. Lesson. And they said. Desert guys got casino be real shame, right. So those were to where I think probably could have protected against the harder question is the disinformation nations and the question of whether or not you can protect something as broad as the election infrastructure. Next week I'm not that worried about the voting machines but the registration system. So you see what happened when the governor of Florida went to go vote last Monday it turned out some hacker gotten in and changed his registration from Tallahassee to West Palm Beach now if he could do it hard, can that be what? I. Feel like we're always fighting the last war. I feel like if you have this technology if you have hackers if you can do this, why wouldn't you you mentioned in the book and it's in the documentary that we started this with stuxnet in two thousand and seven we were the first ones we wanted a cripple the Iranian nuclear facilities. We did it with a hack just as if we had sent B one bombers, it had the exact same effect and that's about the last war aircraft carriers are fax machines. They don't.
"david sanger" Discussed on Real Time with Bill Maher
"Team was ten and three against the other cults in our division. I believe the Spanish. English in had find people on both sides. In College I refuse to title Magna cum laude because it sounds dirty. And I'm looking forward to getting some real hands on experience being judged. All right. Can I. Can I double down on my vitriol for Amy Comey Coney Komi whatever it is. Please do okay. She she is part of a cult and I don't just mean the Catholic Church I mean she's a cult within a culture that people appraise. I mean snake handlers, snake handlers, people who? Talk in tongues speak in tongues but just babbling in this get messages from the Holy Spirit talking to ghosts. Okay. If you took religion out of this this, you'd say this is a fucking not. Do. We do. We really have to keep pretending that being part of this is not going to affect someone who was in one of the most powerful positions in the world making judgments about climate change. For example now I've had arguments I remember having one in the room once in college with someone went on for like three hours is bullshit dorm room arguments you had at the end of it. He just said because Jesus Christ is going to come down and save this. Why did I waste.
"david sanger" Discussed on The CyberWire
"As you said, you send rick a note and say send David Sanger. You know a thousand Bitcoin to this account. I still haven't seen that that. Is and. If you do that maybe I'll unlock your your system for you. But. He won't and. What happened Some of these cities decided like Baltimore, we're not going to pay the ransom. Some in Florida decided, we are going to pay the ransom because it will cost us less to pay the ransom than rebuild our systems. Some in Texas didn't know what to do remember when these little towns we're being. Were being hit. So As this played out people the Department of Homeland Security said. Cheese supposing these were used against. The systems and e poll books and all that on election day so far none of them have been. They were actually aimed at just gumming up the works for paying parking tickets and getting building permits and. Records of landowners and Stuff. But if you turn that to the registration system, so rick, you went to go vote in Virginia they said. She we have you having moved to California six months ago. Or. When you go to vote, they say, Oh, didn't we get a paper ballot in your name when you didn't send one in Right, there's all kinds of mischief you can do. and. That actually worries people more than going after the voting machines. Voting machines are largely off-line every state. Does it differently sometimes within states it's done differently. So that's all a big mess right and it's not at all clear. That you could get into the voting machines, but you could will use ransomware to mess up the rest of the system and you don't need to do would say in every precinct in Wisconsin. Or everyone in Pennsylvania or name your battleground state. If you can do it in two or three places two or three districts, you can create the impression that you've done it in many more. Yeah. That's my biggest fear I'm with you I don't I'm not too worried about the voting machines. That's. Not how I would do it anyway but too much work to way too much work right. But if you can convince people what's doesn't see Mike, that's hard to do these days that the voting system is corrupt somehow that could do huge damage to the entire nation and have long ranging implications, and that's what I'm most afraid of Yeah Yep I think that's about right. So you publish the book in Two Thousand Eighteen The documentary is coming out just over two years after. Is there anything between the two that's kind of crystallize in your mind or fundamentally changed we have we have updated. To reflect monetarily, there's a big section on perception acts which is what you do when you do ransomware and one or two places to make it look like much warfare we brought it to the up to date. You'll see. A lot of different people talking about what it's like to have been on the receiving end of this and the sort of fog of war. You've got everyone in this documentary from Hillary Clinton and John Podesta. Who sat down to talk about the twenty sixteen? Election. To Seth Rogan who was the star of, of course, the interview and he is very funny. I do have to say and. You'll see people like our Rosenbach co-director, Harvard Belfer Center but was the chief of Staff Dash Parter at the Pentagon when he was. Secretary of Defense talking about the calculus that you make as your cyber attack or if you're trying to think about what the US can do. So the idea is to bring you in a very human level to the kind of decisions that have to be made when you're on the receiving him and when you're on the offense..
"david sanger" Discussed on The CyberWire
"The White House system. Why would we possibly think? That, they would care about the Democratic National Committee. and. The answer is that Putin concluded they probably won't. And you know what's really remarkable is cyber command came into being they were focused on things like taking out isis, which was definitely a big issue in two thousand sixteen. and. They really weren't looking internally at our election system and so this combination of and Lee of breaking into the DNC of make this stuff public of the facebook. As the influence campaign. It's not like they had their radar off the way. The US military did is in Pearl Harbor. Rick they hadn't even built the radar. Now we're doing better this year because they had built a radar, but of course, the Russians trying some new and different techniques. The problem here is that we compartmentalize everything right because when I'm growing up in this system when I was in the military, you know hacking was hacking done primarily for espionage purposes. And maybe a little a little bit of destruction. But that was about it. We had no way considered on the in the West that you could use some of those tools and turn it into the operations of the way the Russians have in the way that China's starting to do now. So that's the big turn I think and we see that in the documentary yeah I think that is and so part of what the documentary does is for those of you who've been seeing all these headlines but haven't sewed them together into a sort of full tapestry here's the tapestry and that's also I hope with the book accomplished. So I'd be remiss if I didn't mention another side of this, we've been focusing on nation states, but the the documentary does talk about the Baltimore ransomware attack as an example because that seems to have been rampant. In this last couple years of cyber criminals using ransomware against you know cities and things it is and you know ransomware is fascinating and we ought to talk a little bit about what ransomware did and then what happened when Microsoft and cyber command when after trick dot. Last week with the biggest of the. ransomware is, of course, you lock up the system..
"david sanger" Discussed on The CyberWire
"He owns the sands? Casino. And Win you know about three months later his employees walked in and discovered their hard drives had been wiped clean now. The immediate response of Sands Casino was to get everybody to sign nondisclosure agreements and just keep this whole embarrassing incidents secret fortunately that. And on the documentary you will see. Hidden behind. Changed Voices and darkened. Shadows, you can't see their faces some of the employees of the sands describing what it was like to be on the receiving end of the Iranian hack. So we see from. The sands. Casino Techs Great leveler that a small country can take down. A city because I'm saying you know casinos are many cities. You know they have restaurants they have medical facilities they have fire facilities, hospitals, they have entertainment, and that this group of small small hacker group could do that kind of damage to have a small city like that was pretty scary. and. Absolutely was. As was the thought I mean. You could imagine you know Rhonda big sophisticated country with seventy million people but the North Koreans taking out. Sony in one hit. One hit and That part of the documentaries fascinating because of all the give and take between the Sony CEO the. Producers of the movie that the North Koreans were not happy about and just the the political levers that the administration was trying to had available to them Can you kind of walk us through what they were thinking about their? Well they were thinking is this inactive war? Is this an act of sabotage? Is this what president trump called later, an active digital vandalism of a phrase he later got to came to regret. Remember what this was caused by this was caused by. The North Koreans seeing that Sony was gonNA. Make a movie called the interview a really terrible movie by. Shot. But if any of your listeners, a lot of your listeners sure have seen it if they haven't I, can save them two hours of their lives and tell him to. Go Watch the perfect weapon documentary. Instead, you'll still have thirty minutes leftover. Because after watching the documentary said you know I should really go watch this movie to see what the big fuss is. Since you're telling me that maybe not you on the other hand rick knowing your sense of humor, you'll probably like so go do it but I wouldn't I wouldn't leave the family or anybody impressionable around. Okay. So. This is a Seth Rogan James. Franco. Comedy in which they're playing journalists and they'd get an interview with Kim Jong on the CIA hires him to assassinate him on the way. Right. Now, I've been around newsrooms now for more decades and I'd like to admit and I can tell you if you're to hire some Hitman I can't think of a group of people more likely to screw it up a bunch of journalists right? But. That's all right..
"david sanger" Discussed on The CyberWire
"For Vietnam in the same room. So when the screw era. Yeah. That's why I WANNA get to right because it is a whole new error because. Now Nation States, even big organizations can go up against the big dogs in fact, how they react in on the international stage, and that's why I think you call it the perfect weapon because that means the United States is probably not going to roll tanks into Iran because of a cyber attack. So it's just shorter war is that the reason it's greatest in there that's it, and the other reasons that is perfect weapon is that it's relatively easy to hide and deniable attributions getting better. We can talk about that but that's one. The second is it's dirt cheap, which means it's available to everybody you want to build. A nuclear facility have billions of dollars around and be willing to. Have the people around who can handle that infrastructure. You want to build a cyber weapon as you know from your own experience defending against them, you need some teens and twenty somethings you need some stolen code from the NSA. God knows. There's plenty of that floating around some pizza little red? Bull. Laptops and you're ready to go. So in the book, you describe a lot of offensive cyber tools that the US is used in the past are mostly we know about those because of the snowden leaks. Right. But in the documentary, you call out one particular tool set code-named nightstand. and. You said that may have been the most likely way that. The US and Israel got into the tens- power plant because it was a closed off site, right? There's no it wasn't connected to the Internet. Well, they got in several ways. One is that while it was closed off and you're right, it was air gap from the Internet to use the industry's phrase. The controllers for the centrifuges were made by Siemens, the giant German firm and every once in a while, they would call in the Siemens Repairman to fly into Iran and get up to Natanz and get the thing fixed..
"david sanger" Discussed on The CyberWire
"Book the perfect weapon how the Sabir arms race set the world afire. The documentary is currently streaming on HBO and Hbo Max. David. Thanks for coming on a great to be back with you their topics you and I have talked about for a long time. That's why you and I are. Pisa's my friend because we love this stuff. All right and you know I'm a huge fan of the book and I watched the screener of the documentary twice this past weekend and by the way it's fabulous. So good job on all. For the folks who don't know what it's about, please tell us what the buck and documentaries about and why did you name them both the perfect weapon. Or Rick the the concept behind the book was that we went through years in which in the National Security World People viewed cyber has this sort of interesting side irregular warfare Kinda thing that. Was a nice thing that spend the half an hour learning about while you were spending the year or two years or your career learning about traditional national security. And what have we discovered in the time since it is not the side show? It is the show. That in a world in which. No one wants to take on the US military directly for all the understandable reasons. It is suddenly possible to undercut American. Power. Or. Another adversaries powered. By a using a short of war. Cyber related weapon whether it you are hacking into infrastructure dams, voting machines, electric power grids, a financial system or whether you're hacking in the minds. The information wars that we've seen surrounding the two thousand sixteen election and begun to see in twenty twenty here in the two thousand twenty elections we'll discuss. We've got some new concerns that go beyond what the Russians did four years ago. Both. You and I have been tracking this stuff for a long time and I and I told you before when we've talked about this that this really copies by surprise and I keep up with it. You know I, read all the headline to read all your articles are read all your books right. But all of a sudden have this idea that this something less than war weapon is available as something new they kind of just popped out of nowhere it begin. With stuxnet. So how did that happen in? How did we get there? Well stuxnet was for those of your listeners who may not be up and running on it because it was believe it or not. Exactly a decade ago are arguably the belief. Was An American Israeli effort to undermine Iran's nuclear program by going after the centrifuges, the high speed machines they used to enrich uranium. Now in a previous age trick. You would have done that either by bombing the centrifuge center from above or sending in.
"david sanger" Discussed on The CyberWire
"Hi, everybody, Rick Howard here the Tiber wires chief security officer and chief analyst. You may have heard an excerpt from the daily podcast interview with author and New York Times National Security correspondent David Sanger but we have a special treat for you. Today we're making the cyber wire pro extended version available to you for free. That's right free. David.
HBO's New Documentary Warns Of The Dangers Of Cyberwarfare
"The perfect weapon now on HBO is a documentary about a danger. We've all heard a lot about, but don't really know new and frightening warning from the FBI on hackers using malicious software to launch a cyber attack against us. It's based on the best selling book by New York Times National Security correspondent David He, Sanger. About a new form of conflict that is global, inexpensive, invisible and supremely available to small groups, not just large powers. Jon Mateos, the director of the perfect weapon, and he joins us now from Brooklyn. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me, Scott. You know, I'm going to ask you plenty of questions about the dangers that cyber warfare poses to the US, But I have to ask you first. Did we fire the first shots across the bow? It appears as if we did Scott because when we attacked the Iranian nuclear program in 2007, the code that we put into the plant was released and everyone knew about it. Now there were plenty of covert kind of operations that go on, probably things we'll never know about. But that one was let out of the box. And because of that, it appears as if we fire the first shot, and we've been paying for it ever since. Let me ask you about a few attacks. We know about 2013 cyber attack. On Las Vegas that was done in response to something of casino owners. That's right. Well, he wasn't just any casino owner was Sheldon Adelson, a well connected casino that's correct on he had gone online. He was part of the symposium where he talked about actually setting off a nuclear weapon. Against Iran as a way to stop their nuclear program, and that video went onto YouTube. It went viral and the Iranians found out about it, and they planned, very powerful, destructive cyber attack of his sands casino operation to demonstrate something to him or to the United States. Oh, that's the thing about these sorts of attacks. You know, they're short of war attacks. They're not necessarily attacking our Our critical infrastructure all the time. But it sends a message. That destructive attack is easy for a country like Iran. It's it's an asymmetrical attack, and it made a very strong point. Once it was let out. I mean, the Sands Corporation did everything I could to hide the fact that they've lost $40 million in their technology, But it was let out and incentive, frightening message And, as David Sanger says in the film What happened in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas 2014 cyberattack essentially brought down a Seth Rogan James Franco film the interview, which in fact does raise serious questions about freedom of expression. On also of you know, a major film corporation Sony. Yeah, that was that was the one that really got so much notice because it became suddenly an international incident. And I have to say it's one of the big issues in the film that I think people will recognizes that that the US is uniquely vulnerable to these kinds of attacks because of our open this because of our First Amendment because of the public square. Our weapons against authoritarians regimes don't necessarily have the same effect happened. Dump attacks, like what happened at Sony are not as effective to countries like Iran and Russia.
"david sanger" Discussed on The CSIS Podcast
"And so what we discovered was a whole new set of errors that they made in phase two. It were different and original from the errors. They made phase one. I want to bring in my colleague and dear friend Steve Morrison. Thank you and thank you David for joining us this decision structure that you talk about which has Mark Meadows Jared Kushner? GROGAN short. And Deborah Brooks as the person representing public health and science. These, were folks who brought a normal amount of skepticism of the whole public health approach. They were openly dismissive. Suspicious of Tony Foudy. And they made this big decision to transfer power to the states from the federal government without any systematic analysis or planning. They pushed for what you termed in the article state authority handoff. Was this just the only answer they could come up with on how to reopen. Was this why they would take such dangerous step? What's interesting is to this day. They defend this approach and their answer to that is. Every state was different. Montana had. Barely any cases right at the time while New York was on fire. So. There is not entirely unreasonable. What works in Manhattan may not necessarily work in Montana. They were aware of the possibility of a second phase though they thought that it would come. In the fall it may yet. They believed in the bachelor minds that the summer and the heat of the summer would eliminate a lot of the disease that happened in nineteen eighteen. But in nineteen eighteen, we didn't have a world of air conditioning. Where people were largely inside and air systems were recirculating. Though. There are many other possible explanations for what we've seen the summer. There's a moment in the top of the story where meadows is quoted, saying to people only in Washington D. C.. Would they think they have the answer for all of these different states? Now on the one hand. You could say this good, Republican. Orthodoxy right that you were trying the power. The states go do it. On the other hand in recent weeks. What if we see? The president of the United. States frustrated by the fact that a number of states are not reopening schools planning to reopen schools. Threatening to withhold federal funds from. Any state that is not opening schools getting students there. And so one of the questions we asked us OK. If you ideologically believe that you just need a different answer in each state. In, why would you possibly evoke the threat of federal action against any state? That doesn't do what the federal government wanted to do here. You know I was really struck by that to David and later in the article you report out that governor. Gavin, newsom of California was required if he wanted aid from the federal government to call and personally thank president trump for it, so that doesn't factor in quite well with Republican Orthodoxy, either you know one of the interviews I did in the course of this many said to make David you..
"david sanger" Discussed on The CSIS Podcast
"I'm Bob Schieffer and I'm Andrea Schwartz of the Center for Strategic and International Studies and this is the truth of the matter. This, is the podcast where we break down the policy issues the days since the politicians are having their say, we will excuse them with respect and bring in the experts many of them from CSIS. People who have been working these issues for years no spin, no bombast, no finger-pointing, just informed discussion. Today's episode of the truth of the matter were replaying an episode from our Coronavirus Crisis Update series from the take directed podcast, my co host, Steve Morrison and I interviewed David. Sanger.
"david sanger" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"We're back with David Sanger national security correspondent with The New York Times and we're discussing a recent spy case and some of the drama that shake in Washington DC David you almost think that it's almost impossible for spies to be found out I mean this is part of why they're spies right when they are extracted out to the U. S. or to other countries what are some of the risks that they face well the greatest example of course is the scruple case which was a case of that a spy for the British who had been caught in Moscow imprisoned and returned to Britain in the spy swap and they thought at that point you know people sort of leave Malone well it turned out that because he had been rather active and going off and talking about Russians intelligence networks to other countries and so forth he was the subject of course of that terrible nerve agent attack a year and a half ago so there is considerable risk particularly these days the Russians have not attempted something like that nerve agent attack in the United States and their reasons to doubt that they would but you never know and I think that's part of the concern here David The Washington Post us said that they were able to find the home of the man the Russian media's naming as the CIA source right outside of DC now if this is actually the home of this alleged by does it put him at risk and his family at risk to report all of this information out to the public it certainly does and we found the home as well at one of our reporters Julian Barnes went out there as well but what we don't know is what do the name that the Russians are putting out is in fact the spotlight in question I mean we can't a hundred per. Sam verified that all the circumstantial evidence seems to suggest it was and it does raise the really interesting question that since this CIA has this fairly detailed and super secret relocation program where they take people in the give the new identities and so forth why would this person have bought a house in the Washington suburbs under his own name. and the answer to that I'm told by some intelligence officials is that sometimes people who come here do not want to in fact take on a new identity they want to live in the old than that want to be proud of what they did and they don't believe the Putin would go after them on American soil of course bring it back to the election here in twenty twenty what is the story telus if anything about how the we think about the US intelligence community and Russian interference in our elections more broadly but also the concern about that as we head into this twenty twenty presidential election what the concern is deep and wide in the U. S. government with one exception which is the president with whom they can't discuss the topic as Houston Nielsen noted shortly before and after she was relieved as the secretary of homeland security the president views any discussion of this issue as an attack on the legitimacy of his own election but certainly you're seeing the department of homeland security the National Security Agency the F. B. I.'s other units the US government trying to think ahead to twenty twenty and there's one thing we know which is that what ever the Russians do they're not going to replay this same playbook that they used in twenty sixteen because Facebook would be waiting for them Twitter would be waiting for them there are some things we are deeply worried about and one of them I've written about in recent times in the times if you seen this wave of ransomware attacks that have hit the states over the summer it's an interesting question what would happen if there was a ransom where attack that hit the voter registration systems and when you went to the polling places they were frozen up and they couldn't establish that you were who you said you were or that you had moved to Arizona last week or something like that David Sanger senior right. and national security correspondent for The New York Times.
"david sanger" Discussed on KPCC
"I spoke with my colleague David Sanger about the nuclear arms race between the United States and Russia so at this point if you're describing to adversaries were seeing opportunities to build up their nuclear program but my sense is that both countries operate under this massive structure of nuclear treaties that mean that neither can do any of the things that you're describing so how does that work well Michael let treaties that were signed over the course of decades between Russia and the United States has begun to fritter away some of expired president trump since he came in made it clear he wanted to get out of the least one the intermediate nuclear forces treaty you have to have everybody at here to it and you have a certain side that almost pretentious doesn't exist which he said the Russians were violating and there were we can't be put at a disadvantage of going by a treaty limiting what we do when somebody else doesn't go by that three and that happened just a few weeks ago the United States taking a stand against Russia with the U. S. ended it the US is pulling out of a decades long nuclear treaty with Russia sparking fears of a new arms race we thought was confined to the Cold War and now there's a question about whether the one remaining treaty between the United States and Russia is called new start and which limits the number of intercontinental nuclear weapons will even be renewed when it expires in February twenty twenty one just a month after the next presidential inauguration so this whole structure that's been built up over the past twenty or thirty years to limit both sides in what they can build that is all crumbling and meanwhile new technologies are coming up with new kinds of weapons that aren't even covered by the treaties anyway and that's exactly what both Putin and president trump or experimenting with dean from everything you're saying both the US and Russia are simultaneously casting off this history of denuclearization treaties that limited the size of our arsenals and we're focused on having less not more so why are we all seeming to reverse course here that's exactly right because the old think was that these nuclear arms limitation treaties actually created security by reducing the number of nuclear weapons in the world the new thing is that these treaties are actually constraining the United States and Russia from adopting new technologies that each one of them what's the David this Russian test on Thursday night over the White Sea it sounds like a spectacular failure for food in and for Russia so what does that mean for the state of the nuclear arms race between the US and Russia that's a really good question Michael because we really don't know in one way to think about it is that the Russians aren't succeeding at their grandiose dreams and everybody can breathe a sigh of relief and we can slow down on this arms race right I don't think that's where the trump administration is going to come out I think that what you're already beginning here is this public embarrassment this explosion that killed the scientists and leaked out is only going to drive president Putin to invest more and even if his dreams of a nuclear propelled missile fail he will find other ways to come up with weapons the debate American defenses and that have new ways of reaching the U. S. just to establish the he's a power to be reckoned with and so if anything I think this Skyfall incident could end up speeding up the arms race on both sides the Russians will want to show that they're not going to be defeated that they're gonna pick themselves up and build something better and the Americans are going to say see the Russians are experimenting with all this new technology so we better speed up to both sides have real incentives to be in this arms race to stay in this arms race and what look and feel like major setbacks aren't really set backs at all they just keep everybody invested in the arms race I think that's right it sounds like there's a greater likelihood of both countries ramping up nuclear arsenals then there is of both countries sitting down and signing a nuclear treaty and I wonder if that means we're going to be seeing more incidents like what just happened in northern Russia with this exploding that's all I think it's entirely possible Michael that the history of nuclear arms races is that if both sides are talking to each other in each side builds up in part so they have them and in part so they have something to trade away if they do get into a negotiation and that may be exactly what's going on here of course at a moment when we're seeing nuclear proliferation the warring about around the world that the north Koreans are building up their nuclear arsenal the Iranians may be building up the nuclear arsenal it doesn't set a really great example to have the two largest nuclear powers to countries that together have more than ninety percent of all the nuclear weapons in the world build even more and of course that could mean more Russian community is suddenly exposed to radiation spikes and government attempts to hide that so I wonder how people in Russia are feeling in the days since this accident hi Michael we've been trying to figure it out too and of course the Russians aren't exactly eager to let western reporters into some of these towns but from what we can pick up people are anxious they're angry and they feel lied to there's a reason they should feel lied to because the Russian government to this day has not said this was a missile test involving a nuclear reactor that one wrong big sort of laid all little elements out there but not put it all together and for Russians who really wanted to try to get an understanding of what went on they had to be reading western news reports and you know this is sort of created gonna posttraumatic stress syndrome for Russians who remember this from their past there were past accidents missile accidents and of course nuclear accidents up to and including Chernobyl which was on a far larger scale than what we're seeing in recent days where the government lied to people and they were exposed and of course many thousands died so there is.
Millionaire charged with wife's death faces 25 years to life in prison
"Monday he's been a wanted fugitive since twenty fifteen now in Newport beach millionaire who is accused of murdering his wife nearly seven years ago back in police custody after receiving thousands of tips from all over the world thanks to a number of things including a special podcast and a one hundred thousand dollar reward it was one lady that helped pinpoint the whereabouts of Peter Chadwick he was taken into custody Sunday night near pueblo Mexico we believe that Peter Chadwick has been in Mexico since his disappearance Newport beach police chief John Lewis our position so the pitch I would never intended to return from Mexico he had no intentions of coming back to Orange County to face trial or raise the three sons he abandoned US marshal David Sanger says intense media pressure aided in Chadwick's ultimate arrest when you're a fugitive and you know or think everybody is looking for you you're always looking over your shoulder and you're always trying to out do that person you think that's fallen you and that's when they make mistakes Chadwick is accused of killing his wife of twenty one years during a dispute over a possible divorce and financial issues and then disposing of her body in a dumpster back in October of twenty twelve he faces a maximum sentence of twenty five years to life in state prison if convicted in Santa Ana Margaret Carrero can extend seventy news
US military official says he's not concerned about Iran missile test
"Let's look now reports that Iran has test launched a medium range missile this happened on Wednesday US officials say the missiles not a threat to any US presence in the region it does of course come as tensions between the US and Iran are running fine to talk about this I'm joined now by David Sanger he tracks national security and all things nuclear for The New York Times today great to be with the Merrill is what we know about this lunch all this is a test launch of a missile that is not new to the Iranians that was first put together in nineteen ninety eight it actually is a variant of a north Korean missile called the no down and the north Koreans and the Iranians work together a lot in their missile programs it's always left the mystery about whether they're doing the same on the nuclear side they've test launch these before so as the Pentagon indicated the big issue is not the test itself it didn't land any place that would be a danger to anyone no it stayed inside around the whole time is not right yes it stayed inside Iran and the big issue here is that they launched it at a whole you'll remember that in the two thousand and fifteen nuclear agreement between the Obama administration and pteron it covered nuclear but it did not cover missile tests and this is been one of the big complaints that the trump administration has had about the agreement one of the reasons the president cited when he withdrew from the agreement last year there are however U. N. resolutions that at least discourage Iran from doing this and say that they cannot test a missile that could be armed with a nuclear weapon well this one clearly could be it's big enough to be armed with a nuclear weapon but the Iranians say they're not violation because they have no intention of building nuclear weapons so do we know what they are up to here why are they launching this missile and and why now I think this was a political statement mostly to the Europeans your member that what's been going on in the past couple of weeks is that the Iranians have said we are going to age are way out of the twenty fifteen nuclear agreement produce more nuclear material than is allowed under the agreement producer that higher enrichment levels that is allowed in less you Europe get serious and makes up for the money lost to American led sanctions and I think the Iranians are just testing a missile that can reach the age of Europe to just make a point that the Europeans have an interest in keeping all this together the US reaction to this has been pretty muted I think it's fair to characterize it that way in your store you quote anonymous US military official who again says Hey this pose no threat to any US bases in the US people in the region is it surprising the U. S. given how high tensions up and running did not react with more force it is a little surprising and I'm I'm don't know why that is one possibility is that there are aging their way toward trying to figure out how to conduct some negotiations and concluded that in the end this doesn't make that big a strategic difference the other possibility is that they reacted very mildly this of north Korean Tess the other day and of course the president will let North Korea get away with an awful lot of things because he's always says I've got a great relationship with Kim Jong un he can't say that about the supreme leader with the president of a wrong with whom he's barely ever communicated so I think they were concerned a bit that if they said something very strong about the Iranian test people turn around and say what we write ins are doing anything the north Koreans having just done you could live with that thank you David thank you it's David Sanger of The New York
"david sanger" Discussed on The Takeout
"The oligarchs money disappear right okay throw some cyber shade yeah and maybe a little bit more president obama's concern would jim it concern but i think in this case over raw a little bit or over cautious i should say the stakes perfect oh yes actually great thanks rich and the kirk douglas when moore his concern was that the russians would then escalate on election day and while he was convinced hillary clinton would win the election he was afraid that if the russians did escalate it would play into the trump theme that this election is rigged right so his thought was he would warn putin which he did in a meeting in china right that you know if you mess with us we will come in and destroy you economically and then deal with the penalties after hilary clinton is elected put together at broad plan that would start in the obama administration and be handed off to hillary when he left well it turns out that i heard some place it didn't work out quite that right of such plans not much was made that's so they go into this put mildly this rush after the election to come up with some penalties but in the end member they threw out about thirty five diplomats are really spies closed a couple of scillies including one that you will read the book the russians had dug into the ground underneath their facility and tapped into a major us trunk line line cable that carries both voice and internet traffic and we're plugged into it from their facility because they dug down to it yeah wow yeah good work nicely nice that's stuff that they do that's what they do on the bashing that's right and we do too so so as somebody who was in the administration says to me in the book at one point throwing out those diplomats was the perfect nineteenth century solution to a twentyfirstcentury problem right so you and i are not in the business of offering editorial criticism rob survey shin but as a practical matter those were logical arguments their rational arguments is it fair to say that the president in laying this out and come into the conclusion he did it could be fairly said did not appreciate the magnitude of this and did not react with the full either the full or even partial measure of the capabilities that he added his disposal i'm not sure anybody recognize the magnitude because we really only learned about the social media information warfare part of this after the election right we should have seen it before and part of the book takes you inside facebook as they discover not only were their radars off but they hadn't even built the right kind of radar detectors kind of activity but certainly there are many people in the administration who now believe in you picked up a hint of this in that clip you played that they under reacted now interesting when president obama's memoirs come out next year whenever they're they're completed what he has to say about this and how he reckons too yeah now i in the course i tried to interview everybody who had their hands on this and some form and there were certainly some including the national security advisor susan rice and the homeland security adviser at the time lisa monaco who took the position that they did as much as they could without taking an undue risk there are others in the administration who believe they way under reacted as somebody who has covered cyber for more than a decade i come down on the under reacted side because if we don't begin to impose some cost not just at the dnc but when they were coming into the white house and the state department and if you're putin you look at the they're not going to defend the white house networks not gonna right who's going to defend what are they gonna care about the dnc right right that's the voice of david sanger his book the perfect weapon we are at rare steakhouse food is arrived i'm gonna give david a moment or two to actually consume his fantastic i assume lobster club back in a minute you're listening to the takeout from cbs news radio where we have a good time we're at various take house having a delicious lunch david sanger's our special guest new york times correspondent extraordinarily author.
"david sanger" Discussed on KPCC
"David sanger what happens to nato after the soviet union falls or rather than disband michael it actually expanded many of the former soviet republics who were suddenly finding themselves independent poland hungary czech republic all the countries that made up for many of the countries that made up the old warsaw pact or suddenly thinking themselves they didn't want to be alone they wanted to be part of the west and so they applied for membership in nato and the big question was should nato let them in even if that risked making russia paranoid and how does nato and the us it's lead sponsor respond to their desire to join there were debates about individual countries and there were some debates with basically said if the russians came and knocked off this tiny little country like estonia or laugh via or with would we really go to war would we really invoke article five to come to their defense but in the end people decided that the symbolism of having old members of the warsaw pact changed teams and come over to nato was worth it even if they're military contribution was pretty tiny and what does russia do in response to this expansion of nato a group that existed originally to rebuff the old soviet union well initially not much intil vladimir putin became president and he viewed it as a humiliation he viewed it as an effort to go steal from russia the core the old soviet union and he was looking for an opportunity to get even putin realized that article five was something that would get invoked if he did a full military attack but he's not the money or really the forces to sustain such an attack so he had to come up with a really targeted kind of disruption some way of harassing these countries some way of undercutting their institutions some way of making people no longer confident in their governments without actually bringing about an invocation of article five i he started rebuilding his nuclear forces and then he started in with the cyber attacks a very big one against estonia estonia faced a major crisis in two thousand seven when it became the first country to experience a massive cyber attack which took down estonia's email bank and newspaper servers another very big one against georgia in two thousand eight paving the way for military action russia attack georgia's computer infrastructure crippling the country to countries that of course have been all part of the soviet union he did a series of attacks on ukraine not a nato member but he realized that the fact that they weren't a nato member meant that nato was not gonna be tempted to come to their defense the russians are fully aware that microsoft products like all software can be used as weapons in cyber warfare brought down the electric power grid in ukraine twice and of course he metal the bit in their elected as well look at what russia has done so far they're accused of having interfered we're having tried to interfere in german french british and us elections there is some evidence that he tried to meddle in the brexit vote in britain he attempted and failed to medal in the last french election he's been trying this in germany and of course michael he made his strongest effort to meddle in elections here in the united states in two thousand sixteen using many of the techniques that he had perfected against nato and other eastern european countries and former soviet states.
Cyber Weapons and North Korea
"And i'm ari shapiro this week we've heard a lot about what was discussed at the summit between president trump and north korean leader kim jong un nuclear weapons military exercises returning the remains of us troops killed in the korean war as david sanger filed his stories from singapore he noticed something very big missing sanger's national security correspondent for the new york times whose new book is all about cyber weapons cyber is not included in any of these discussions with north korea they wanna do nuclear bio chem and yet cyber is the only weapon that they've actually used against us and used effectively north korea used cyber weapons against the us in the two thousand fourteen hack of sony pictures to catastrophic effect and sanger's book describes a raging cyber war happening just below the surface of public perception the us and israel attack iran russia and china attacked the us sanger's new book is called the perfect weapon one story he tells in detail is about the sony hack which began with north korea getting upset over a movie called the interview about two journalists to plot to kill kim jong un the north koreans wanted to stop it the first thing they did was the very logical thing you'd wanna do whenever you wanted to stop a movie they wrote a letter to the secretary general of the united nations and ask him to stop it sure when that failed they put some code into the sony pictures entertainment computer system and what was fascinating about this was that they put it in and then they were patient very patient they put it in september of twenty fourteen and they used a few months to map the entire computer system at sony pictures entertainment now the code was designed to.
Comey to appear on Stephen Colbert’s show
"As uniquely amazing as her available at only one place that's why he were to jarrett all george stephanopoulos does he get aced out here you're out james coffee as pimp wringers book that's right that's what i said he's biggest part it's a political document he is now a political figure unambiguously now it turns out that we were balking last week what is it george stephanopoulos announced they announced that they were getting the big scoop on the komi interview and now steven coal bear because it's all a tv show it's all just programming our government is just programming colmey has announced her the stephen colbert show has announced that effort former fbi director james comey we'll be stephen coal bears guest on april seventeen set your dvr is everybody so when when was stephanopoulos bragging about about have in amman oh he's april fifteen oh c he's got an agent i wonder who the fbi director is agent is we gotta check and see the former fbi director agent is this is uh colmey is in a world of pu and and he belongs there because he put himself there quite honestly but the media's gonna love it because he's anti trump and all that good stuff and and we've got that gone force so stephanopoulos has james comey on april fifteen tonnes steve that's abc and now stephen colbert cbs is announcing colmey his guest hit on april seventeen because it's all a tv show because that's it that's what it's about it's just television don't worry your little heads about our government you know at this rate george clooney will be our next president completely nuts so moi i listen i gotta david sanger you know him he's with the new york times and he was on the television yesterday on cnn and he didn't say what they wanted about north korea i don't know if he's going to be invited back anytime soon he accidentally told the truth which is a gaffe in washington d c he screwed up he told the truth about north korea and trump we'll have that we've got uh senator ted cruz for yep and we've got a number of things here and sebastian gorka on the fox.
"david sanger" Discussed on Risky Business
"From david sanger years ago that that the nsa had planted had implants all or iran and was ready to shut down running infrastructure in the in the events of a nuclear crisis which of nose to almost to be expected i would think especially when you were wrong ready taken a step of destroying their physical infrastructure was stuxnet in targeted ways on site on your you don't necessarily think that that that reporting captures the full history shall we say right now i and i i wouldn't be surprised if an a we do as a reporter in the piece and i think a lot of people knew if they're paying attention the same group sand worm that had turned off the power in ukraine in 2015 us seems to have the black energy and on the networks of american utilities in 2014 so it seems like russia has been trying to do this to the us already but it that you know that alone wouldn't be that interesting if they haven't ever crossed the lion actually done it somewhere ends that's the difference i mean i i guess i do expect liz you said that powerful countries will lay the groundwork to do this to each other and to less powerful countries and anyone they feel like doing it too but it's it's the it's the brazen this of the putin regime that makes me think it that's what's different is that they cross the line may it like a we i i don't know if we've ever i i may be putting my foot in my mouth but i don't think we i don't know of a time when the us has use actual hacking to meddle in someone's election.