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"david koresh" Discussed on Hysteria 51

Hysteria 51

12:00 min | 9 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Hysteria 51

"Shirt uh-huh damn by Alpha and Omega Komo. Sports all is lost. Woman made a pencil skirt of God. Oh Lord so we're back. We were talking fun sketches. Ask during the break. We don't Miss David Koresh. Yes I don't no no I'd say schedule. We know but to this point he's still been Vernon Howell and he is now the leader of the cult so he changes his name as you do. I don't know why didn't just stick with Vernon Jezreel Israel. Well I'll tell you why okay then and I can. I can weigh in a little bit on the name thing as far as some of the OT history than I think gives it real flesh on the bones should go for it. Why didn't change his name? So David of course being King David which was of the Israeli Judah Jews that it sounds like it. Sounds like a fucking sports drink. Choose that or you're yelling. In order to fucking Burger King. I'll take oh that was in the clerks. I'll take an EGA movie muffin. And a king of the juice all right. Let's let's let poor John. Thomas Finished Lee. Okay so so Karesh interesting little riff on talking about the history so so the the kingdom. NFL You know the kingdom Israel and Judah fell and then the Jews went into US called ASPRO which is where. They're kind of all over but the Babylonians noticed that There were a disproportionately huge amount of people in Judaism that could read and write and that was really useful skill so I took those folks and they essentially that stick pick them. Even to this day it helps reading. It'd be able to read and write. Yes I'm the dissenting opinions. So they kept them in captivity slavery. Whatever you WANNA call it And they were freed by the Persians so at that point Cyrus is the leader and he surprisingly. Is this fairly magnanimous conquer. That this is well I got no problem with you. Go back to take your let these people go. So he's he's he's embraced as as a Messiah and in the Old Testament Messiah didn't necessarily mean anything divide it was just meant essentially someone who saved us yet exactly in so Karesh is Hebrew. I said the Babylonian so in in that story They're kind of the bad guys. Yeah so the the babblings are the bad guys in the Old Testament in that at Motif is carried forward into the New Testament into the ready book of revelations. Say Hey I don't know the Cyrus has also Cyrus the great. He's referred to as is also remembered because he chose a form of the traveler the last time that goes with a gazillion game. Ascom shoe three feet above the covers as well. The reason I asked about the Babylonian says didn't Karesh and maybe we'll get into this. So I'm sorry if I'm jumping on Didn't caress preach that The American government was Babylon. Yeah so Babylon is like I said it's a it's a motif not F- along with Rome That is used commonly In Christian circles and sex as basically representation of of evil empire. So okay used interchange you wrote a really upbeat song about it. People Ericsson Avenue. Now I don't know I. I went to raging answer machine route. So yes that says a lot about both I think it does yeah. There's of course in revelation the horror of Babylon who's wearing a sash. So how was it like kind of like a scarlet letter type family. She had to wear it. So we're herbal was we're going to. We're going off royal color Roy. The Roman royal color specifically go. Okay well this woman. That was fun. Thank you played Roman hopscotch us to say what it was that a Roman hots hopscotch. Don't act like you don't know I don't know I. Yeah I don't know anyway speaking of Atlanta in the lion pit if you land on the six inch because now David Koresh. WHO's taking the name of King David and Cyrus the great becoming David Krejci Vernon now is gone because being a total shit stain on society is is beyond him in eighty? Nine Karesh uses power as spiritual leader of this group to take several spiritual in quotes as they put them wives as young. Their relationship was very physical. The was fucking the shit out of anything there. And you know what when you're in a close group in your your Bang and everything all of a sudden u-turn onto into you turn to like heeded children now Kevin. Yes interesting thing we say twelve. There is a lot of young girls and we Saito of. Why is that? What was the legal the age of consent in Texas well My rebuttal here. I don't have my legal counsel here Why are you asking me? No I'm just kidding with fifty states that some some level by that for I believe leave when I was reading about this. It said that it was like fourteen sort with parents consent. In Texas fourteen with consent they could get married. They could get married at fourteen with parents consent. INSENT but yeah and so you guys you know what. I'm saying that this is just to create a new lineage of world leaders. It's it's not because he is. He's taking one for the team. Well wait a minute. Why did it have to be the young kids to? There's only so many women there didn't read that they had to be virgins urgence for the the twenty four I I know I said No. Because he took wives of everyone there that was already but he okay so the offspring he was mixing. Metaphors is forty seven or twenty seven. I forget how many women I'm sorry children. He was supposed to bear. That would become the the new rulers. Well guess is what though people start talking and this raised allegations of child abuse which contributed to the siege. That eventually was going to happen by the ATF. And the reason why he did this as he was interpreting revelations chapter five specially verse to crush identified himself as is the lamb of God or the land. This ad mentioned the verse in the actual verse. Partout is at the strong angel claiming with a loud voice who is worthy to open the book and to lose the seals thereof him. He signed himself as the the seals. Now do you WanNa talk. Are you familiar with that. Like talk to us about it's traditionally is interpreted as a symbol of Jesus Christ and that's but not for Davey he thought of himself as that lamb and he was therefore Jesus yeah so if you read his his exegesis on the seven seals which he didn't get through all through I think the first one because it was written during during the siege. He talks about that He. He didn't proclaim to be Jesus Christ. He thought that Jesus Christ failed in his his mission and that he was the quote Unquote Sin Point. Asya the simple fire. We'll talk about. which by the way do you think sinful messiah sounds like a English English speed metal band from exactly thank them? They're they're in that David Koresh would be their their hit song maidenhead burden so so yeah. He was Interpreting that obviously differently That he was that at slane land that would be able to open the slain lamb. I actually saw them open sinful Messiah Time so this is fun and the thing about this is is when he's now he is this Messiah and he's taken on these quote Unquote Spiritual Eyes Fiona. That's his period. You don't have anything everything is his your TV your car. Your Wife your child. He was Lamma God and all things were his period. And if you're going to be in that group you were going to abide by those rules rules and what's crazies. You Talk to these people and they're like you were talking to him. He's took your wife. WHO's the only way he he? He deserves it you know. He's my brother and We separated them right. The men and the women well because he didn't want any right he made them in like get rid of photos. Oh does of their wives. That was not able to do that. And I mean obviously that speaks to his narcissism on a whole `nother level that he I mean when you you think of the narcissistic personality disorder. You have to understand that. They really feel like they're sometimes literally sometimes figuratively the center of the universe and so right right other people's desires don't really matter because they're bit players today. Well I think he really believed in some people you look at people that are in you know. Look at Jim Jones Jim Jones was a sham. I really think David Koresh thought that he was in the right or he was helping these people in fucked up way Kevin. I were talking about this earlier earlier in so I always go back to when we talk about These type of co-leaders. I feel like they fall into one of two branches. They either fall into opportunistic Charlatan or they fall into true believer and I was convinced especially with the spiritual wives that he was the opportunist An in didn't believe a word of it but but after reading some of his his like the exit Jesus's remark about. I think he might have believed some of this yet. I mean I really do. And it may have been something where where he vacillated back and forth right. Well yeah and that's something that they in themselves like why I'm having doubt and that's because I man and I need to as this and things things like that we're talking about what he did. Have one legal wife. Her name was Rachel Jones and she was fourteen actually at the time of their marriage. That's only legal marriage that he had a tonight and crush asses followers to embrace celibacy. We're talking about like you said you you. He notified their marriages. You're not a took the one for himself including Rachel's twelve year old sister Michelle so he was married spiritually to a twelve year old girl for sure now some of them there've been talks. He was with some as young as ten. The problem is when they testified. The story changed and things like that. So it's never been for sure as twelve is hideous radius enough behavior. I think it's all fucking hideous and I think this guy's so an I texted to bowl to you guys after doing some research. This guy is so full of Shit. Well if you're not to say that he didn't maybe not believe this the theological shit and have such narcissism that he thought he was the one who who only understood the seals and open them. But he's so full of Shit. Well you understand some if he fox you you're now in the House of David and that's all that's just because his name on the lease well and it's also also all the music played you gotta think he was just pumping that twenty four seven. He wasn't listening to like sales and crawl. Yeah Doc he admitted to fathering twelve children by several wives though other sources say fifteen which is a weird weird thing and unfortunately the seventy seven year old woman. That baby never came snits ski kicked it into the. That's exactly what goes people flock to him. Though they did they really did and they were convinced his word was truth and that he was the real profit this this you know the the center that they were promised our results speak he built up Mount Carmody include Chapel Sleeping Quarters Gym Swimming Pool Work Area that a gym swimming pool now they had everything time.

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"david koresh" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

01:40 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

"Secretary down. Notre Dame Tony Jones with a, strong Ron except eleven. Yards Jones just ran over generic woods for the. First down that's going to have a lasting effect on that deep bet that play was really creative because Brandon wimbush looked at defensive end in his eye making him think he had the ball that was just enough for Jones to run up the middle and get the. First down daddy Bush for Steve, all big San linebacker for Michigan made the big sack. Moments ago just. Limped off the field rips off his helmet goes to, the bench sits down Paul sometimes the halftime you start feeling a little better than you actually feel the adrenaline. Going you say coach put me, back out there with Bush looks like he may be. Out for the. Game now laid across the bench in agony with a, leg injury Quotes Kelly right now furious as an officials time out was not called until the player was out of bounds So it's. An injury timeout for the linebacker, David Koresh, Brian Kelly not at all happy. About it, out on the field that's why in the NFL fall. They say no matter how serious it is get down allow us some time to get a player in there so we. Don't get caught in a situation where we got only ten men on the field as a defense or offense make sure to take that time officials will always give it. To you as. Injuries are. Respected by. Both, sides O'Brien Kelly's fired up as I've seen him. This evening yelling let's keep playing. Keep going let's go yeah and a good? Sign that that's the most upset we've seen coach Kelly, all night is it a lots of feel good about I do possessions of the first half didn't go well. This.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

02:00 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"I you go away number one david koresh had roughly twenty wives inside his waco compound definitely as young as twelve some say one was only eleven when he started having a sexual relationship with her former member david bonds says it when karesh took up with one girl he was quote having problems penetrating her because she was so young and little he told her to start using tampons the kind that you insert into make herself larger still think he is a victim of government harassment still think he just a proponent of freedom number two while the government admitted it could have handled waco in a better manner a federal judge dismissed a wrongful death civil lawsuit brought by branch dividians in 2000 clearing the government of any wrongdoing in the deaths of about eighty members of the religious sect during the disastrous 1993 standoff at the group's compound near waco texas number three a texas ranger testified that about three hundred assault rifles and pistols were found in the charred remains the branch davidian compound hours after the structure burned to the ground 93 roughly sixty of them over fully automatic m six teens you want a form of militia gulf war but you don't get to form an actual army unless you want a showdown with the us government and you will lose that showdown just like number four when he was 25 david was leaving with both a fourteen year old and a sixty eight year old creepy and in 1980's texas legal as long as you were married and you can still get married in texas at the age of fourteen with parental assent parental consent until just a few months ago until the law finally change growth and number five new info according to a report on the seat put together by the us justice department the branch davidian compound standoff with the atf and the fbi was quote unprecedented in the annals of american law enforcement never before had so many heavily armed and totally committed individuals barricaded themselves into a fortified compound in a direct challenge to lawful federal war sire show.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

01:50 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Out of the compound concentrating on the back right corner near the warehouse gymnasium eleven forty a m the last fair rounds are deliver 1145 wall on the rear white right side of the building collapses twelve will seven dividian start simultaneous fires at three or more different locations within the compound and observe report seen a male starting a fire in front of the building twelve twelve pm to go to negotiators calling caressed lead the divisions out to safety nine dividions flee the compound are arrested 1225 pm the fbi here systematic gunfire coming from inside the compound leaving several agents or giving several agency impression that the dividions are either killing themselves are killing each other 12 41 firefighting efforts begin agents entered tunnels to search for survivors especially children none are found it is all over now in all 76 branch davidians died nine survived the fire unable 19th an independent investigation by two experts from the university maryland's department fireprotection and schering conclude the compound a residents had sufficient time to escape the fire if they had chosen so if they had so desired a tops autopsy records also indicate that at least twenty branch dividians were shot including five children under the age of fourteen threeyearold dalen gent was stabbed in the chest the medical examiner who performed the autopsies believes these deaths were mercy killings by branch dividians trapped in the fire with no escape david crushes burned corpse the dinner five by dental records an autopsy revealed he died by bullets to the head it's inconclusive as to whether or not the wound was selfinflicted and the destruction of the compound and the death of its cult leader david koresh takes us out of this timesuck time good job soldier made in fact.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

02:00 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"No among other things provided all davidians began leaving the compound as of ten a m on march 2030 doesn't take the deal nother dividian leaves the compound the following day wednesday march twenty four the fbi calls crush liar and a coward or in a press conference i have to agree with that assessment monday march 29th for nearly two hours david creation famed texas criminal defense attorney dick deguerin meet at the door of the compound speak to more times following day where instill convinced crush would have surrendered had the fbi been more patient i just i just read an interview with him about it from a few weeks ago tuesday april first guerin meets with karesh again this time inside the compound tells crested the fbi have agreed to drop all charges convinces correct walk outside the compound the second david koresh karesh crosses the threshold of the front door fbi sniper shooting twice in the lake and then guerin yells april fool's mother federal oh oh man i just got you good oh man agai you good april fools no dwyer until the fbi the davidians will surrender some time on or before able tenth for the next week there's just a lot of sitting and waiting wednesday able severance karesh refuses to confirm and exit date with negotiator so he is just infuriating to deal with friday april ninth david send a message to the fbi saying that the heavens are calling you to judgment to experts analyze letters for others sent over the next few days and conclude is proud possibly psychotic and has no intention of leaving voluntarily the fbi begins to finalise a plant used teargas now to flush every one out of the compound at for several days of more attempts have fruitless negotiations karesh goes ill gets back onto more bible babbel and refuses to exit the compound until god tells him to do so wednesday april fourteen karesh sends a message to the fbi that he will not surrender until he has a written manuscript explain the seven seals on my guest to europe saying he's not going to surrender an tell you know he is just completely perfectly explained the seven seals several.

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"david koresh" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

KTAR 92.3FM

02:05 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

"The mini series waco david koresh and all that i mean when you watch that and you see the atf and how the fbi back then uh acted owned david koresh wacko don't get me wrong and he was horrible things to children and i get that but the way that the atf in the fbi acted they'll do that they they don't act that way anymore they learned the table or not to do right from waco so now today in 2018 they know that they blew the case in florida and they came out and they said we did it wrong yeah instead of denied denied my what they did in waco even though everybody everybody around the you know there was wrong all right how about senator nelson of florida listen to what he said you're looking at somebody who supports the second amendment the right to bear arms i grew up here in florida illinois ranch i have always had gone since i was a little boy i have hunted all my life i still hut with my son but an ar fifteen is not for hunting it's for killing so why the military uses it that's why was banned for a while you don't hunt with an ar fifteen you'll deal you'll guilty animal there won't be anything left no you know and we again is there a gun problem yeah is there a mental health problem yeah are there are problems within the scope yup there's about a checklist of a pagelong of stuff that we can do better in this country and runs is under there that's one of the things uh it's it's the i don't think these ar fifteen should be out at all i think it's absurd and by the way this guy this shooter right his killer i mean there is we could go over 50 things that that was wrong with this guy and he still got a gun and nobody i shouldn't say nobody the law enforcement didn't look at social media peril and that's why now the the the broward county sheriff's department says we need to do more and include social media coming up the.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:31 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"After the fire was put out seventy six branch davidians were found dead 22 children from babies to aged thirteen died in a bunker where they were hidden with the remaining women this number includes two brand new infants whose births were induced by the trauma the tear gas assault and fire four children were wayne martin's and dna testing proved that fourteen of the children including the trauma born infants were david koresh is biological children seven teenagers aged fourteen to nineteen died of the adults who died 2003 were americans one was australian twenty were british most with jamaican origins one was canadian one was israeli and one was a new zealander twenty people had gunshot wounds including five children a threeyearold was stabbed these are suspected to be mercy killings committed by the branch davidians when they realized they'd reached the point of no return in the blaze david koresh died beside steve schneider they both sustained fatal gunshot wounds the order of their death wasn't decisively determined but it seemed likely that steve had first shot correction the forehead and then himself with a caresses followers had anything to do with the fire that ultimately claimed the lives or not the government's final conclusion was at the branch davidians were at fault for refusing to comply with orders to leave the compound the controversy surrounding what happened that day of mount carmel the government reports and investigations as well as the conspiracy theories are so voluminous we can't begin to detail their mere suffice it to say there were serious mistakes made by the fbi and the branch davidians who remained till those final hours were extremely reluctant to come out the government investigations ultimately found karash to be at fault for the deaths but that hasn't stopped fierce debate an antigovernment militia type still site what happened at waco is a prime example of gross government overreach as with many controversies the facts can look very different depending on the lenzi view them through but some things are incontrovertible one of them is that posthumous dna testing confirmed that karesh fathered children with underage girls had he been tried in court he would have been charged with a number of counts of statutory rape at the very minimum that's one point that many people including those who believe strongly in the religious freedom the constitution protects have a very high.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:45 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"Spent nearly eight hours on the phone with negotiators tensions ran high there was disagreement among the fbi's ranks as to the best path forward teargas gas was floated as an option to flush the remaining branch davidians out of the compound but authorities knew there were a lot of children left inside tear girl said obviously never been tested on kids before that everyone was worried about the potential longterm impacts of kids being exposed especially in the high quantities being proposed yeah here's something we want you to check out today's episode discusses the deadly confrontation between the us government and the branch davidians if you're enjoying this episode of cults you should check out paramount networks six part mini series in waco the takes a deeper look into the tragic event in 1993 that leftover seventy branch davidians including twenty five children dead waco explores both the branch davidians and the government side of the complex standoff and the events that ultimately led to the end of the ranch davidians the show examines themes of religious freedom second amendment rights militarization of police and government infringing upon individual liberties issues that are still at the heart of society today the show has a starstudded cast featuring michael shannon john liquids was ahmo and taylor kitsch who stars as david koresh delve deeper into the untold story of waco on the twentyfifth anniversary of the now infamous siege wako premiers wednesday january 24th at ten pm lung paramount network now let's get back to the story.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:02 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"Are they launched an investigation in january of 1993 they moved a couple of undercover agents in across the street including robert rodriguez he began visiting the group ostensibly to hear karezes teachings but he was really trying to glean more information on the group's weapons david tibbett out claims new rodriguez was undercover from the start yet he still welcomed him onto the land and into bible study sessions it didn't take a message from god to know they were being watched the compound was under surveillance by helicopter and the increase in flights overhead tipped karesh off in a big way karesh new from years of recruiting that he could turn folks looking for spiritual direction to his way of thinking in unlikely places like bars and pool halls he figured rodriguez should get a chance to become one of his followers to caress was that confident in himself and his message during the months rodriguez spent visiting the compound he befriended crash in conversations with the fbi the siege karesh said that rodriguez was a good guy and that he loved him for his part rodriguez couldn't confirm that the branch davidians had illegal weapons but it was clear they amassed a substantial arsenal and had the ability to convert semi automatic two automatic weapons there was probable cause for a search but the atf light and said there was an onsite meth lab in order to get additional tactical training for the raid from the military on february twenty theft the united states district court of the western district of texas issued the atf warrants for a february twenty eight the rest of david koresh and a search of the compound agents were authorized to search for various types of assault rifles and items needed to convert them to be fully automatic heavy artillery as well as homemade grenades and bombmaking materials in a post siege lawsuit filed by surviving branch davidians against the government but texas ranger testified that quote about three.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:22 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"And throughout the episode please note than us is not a licence psychologists and psychiatrists but she's got a lot of research for the show thanks grant and just a reminder if you're is fascinated by cult says we are you can listen to previous episodes of cult on your favorite podcast directory don't forget to subscribe while you're there because new episodes come out every tuesday if you like what you here please leave a fivestar review were every listen it helps people like you find us you can also find us on facebook and instagram at park cast and on twitter at par cast network and i do not appreciated at several i ever appreciate somebody coming here was to route one concers and gals past trailers and all of us hand was his goal as the obvious usinor seeing these days general is so vital for he wants he's one of the games agassi use as we get hers ceased to me i am vestige protests minerals elise asks kills lease actively the white house point zones russian amount wise in mice hughes family i'll i'll be choose any and i'm sorry some these guys got to show us ace hotel these are the words of david koresh recorded by his right hand man steve schneider after the february 28th 1993 atf raid that killed four federal agents and six branch davidians the tape was sent out to the fbi near the beginning of the fifty one day siege the atf raid and subsequent fifty one day standoff with the fbi are the most deadly confrontations between federal agencies and a religious or ideologically motivated group to have occurred on us soil in 1993 just prior to the raid karesh and his multiracial and multi ethnic group of one hundred thirty students lived at the mount carmel compound 10 miles outside waco texas popularly they're known as the branch davidians but by 1993 crush wanted of them to call themselves the students of the seven seals and by the end of the standoff they favored being called kerestedjyants but there weren't many people left to make that named stick we'll.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:46 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"Before we begin i'm excited to share my spooky new podcast with you haunted places every other thursday greg gives us a spooky audio tour of some of the most haunted places in the world every haunted place as are frightening but real backstory i'll take you through the legends history and supernatural activity of each place haunted places is a park cast podcast listen and subscribe to haunted places on apple podcast tune in google play or podcast dot com due to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of graphic material that some people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen hi i'm greg poulsen and i'm vanessa richardson of this is cults in part one of our exploration of david koresh and the branch davidians we explored creches early life at his rise within the group if you haven't listen to part one you may wanna jump back him check it out before listening to part to impart to will learn more about croatia's followers or is he called them students and what he preached to them will explore why people stayed in the group even as karesh limited their basic freedoms emotionally isolated them and led them into a violent clash with the us government will delve into the actual confrontation between the branch davidians and the us government and see how the fatally botched atf raid developed into a fifty one day standoff with the fbi that ended in flames killing scores of branch davidians including karash and almost two dozen children vanessa's go to lead the way on the psychology he.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Nightline

Nightline

02:11 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Nightline

"Nor government to vent world questioning choi in laugh he'd been seeing for such a long time that they were going to come for us and then they did they came and they did exactly what he said it would this or he said they were going to do one of the reasons that the branch davidians started together estimated by the atf was because one day a deliveryman for ups delivered a box of grenades two david karash and the brock's broke open the investigation involved suspicion of firearms offenses as well as potential physical and sexual abuse of minor children the fbi underestimated the charismatic control david correct had over this david koresh was training soldiers for god these were religious zealots on february 28th federal law enforcement moved in to raid the compound hear some grumbling coming i'd addis they were never able to determine who really shot that first shot during the melee someone inside the compound called 911 phenomenon with your merging for every five ralf are building their shooting out argun not grovel gone their children of women in here on the call it off three three we did lose the call a call back and got hold the crash dwight could argue even for creative director burt a guy that in kilter with mike who burnt with your water to target so can you gotta try to be beaten track me people will all the time after a few hours the shooting stopped four federal agents and six branch dividians were dead but the raid had failed to flush the davidians from their compound ceilings this is not over when a cop comes down it's a freeforall want revenge we to pay backless go regroupings to finish this thing the standoff lasted for days and weeks in the situation began to grow desperate on both sides the main focus was on the children dave in the mountain to budge we would.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Nightline

Nightline

02:44 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Nightline

"This is not in line did i inside waco a fanatical leader with dozens of followers and he started purchasing huge amounts of weaponry admonition gain of fifty one day standoff with federal agent it is with new details from inside the deadly seed showing up whereas accused philippines puzzle which which version version of of the ice and we cheer guess that plus authorities on the scene reliving the nightmare 25 pierre blayau went away plus lollies game we saw had through these billionaires is just the tip of the iceberg that it will be darn jessica castaignede taking at the any side secretive highstakes hard to can't believe that it's true sorry think that it's something hollywood made up to now this one type cocktail waitress became the multimillionaire polgar says hollywood heavyweights who she says came with a thrill up the game they wanted to fill that that rush on going all lynn and i could foods yeah good evening with the deadly raid that horrified this country an armed apocalyptic religious grouping gauged in a fifty one day standoff with federal agents outside of waco texas their leader david koresh claimed he was the second coming of jesus and tonight 25 years after the fiery in fatal end we have the audio of the negotiations and interviews with survivors this is abc news nigon what began as a fiasco on the twenty eight february ended as a total disaster today twenty nine years ago this april the standoff outside waco texas between a controversial religious group and federal law enforcement game to a horrific again it was our earnest hope that we could try to negotiate without any without endangering in life for fifty one days the protracted confrontation captured the nation's attention becoming the longest running seen in american history ending in the deaths of more than 70 men women and food for some americans this was a legitimate law enforcement operation against them cult that was stockpiling weapons in for others it with uh an overreaching and violent federal government the man at the centre of it all charismatic sect leader david koresh ban of course is david koresh david koresh david garage that's what david wanted was everyone to pay attention to him finally mr her russian anand he was getting when he won it grew liz around him he was a highly unstable selfproclaimed messiah.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:05 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"Rounds of ammunition a gunbattle ensued georgia's armed with an uzi submachinegun but was wounded by david's followers and fled vernon installer words were all brought up on state charges of attempted murder his followers were tried in waco court after the twoweek trial they were all acquitted vernons case ended in a mistrial vernons fourth wife seventeen year old robin bonds later said that seeing him cry at that trial touched her heart it drew her closer to him the only man she'd ever seen cry it's easy is an outsider to see how manipulative he was being but vernons believers just saw his emotional behavior in court as evidence of his humanity a few months later george was arrested on an unrelated attempted murder charge with no one at the helm of mount carmel the compounds finances went into disarray by 1988 vernon had gotten the money together to pay back taxes on the land he officially took over meanwhile judges life took a steep downward turn he managed to stay out of jail for awhile but two years later and 1989 he came to believe that has roommate had been sent by his old rival vernon to kill him george shot and killed the man he was tried and found not guilty by reason of insanity he was locked up in big spring state hospital ironically george outlived his rival by a number of years but he never regained his sanity he was found on the grounds of big springs dead of a heart attack after his last attempted escape in 1998 he was sixty years old around the time vernon officially reclaimed mount carmel hang legally changed his name to david koresh so we'll be using his new name going forward karesh his name change was inspired by the branch davidian sect name rather than the other way around his first name was taken from king david and paresh is the hebrew version of another anointed won the persian king cyrus it's worthwhile.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:11 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"Here's something we think you'll find interesting if you're enjoying this episode of cults you should check out paramount networks six part mini series waco the takes a deeper look into the tragic event in 1993 that leftover seventy branch davidians including twenty five children dead in our two part series on the branch davidians we discussed the deadly confrontation between the us government at the branch davidians waco explores both sides of the complex standoff and the events that ultimately led to the tragic and controversial end of the branch davidians the show examines themes of religious freedom second amendment rights militarization of police and government infringing upon individual liberties issues that are still at the heart of society today the show includes a starstudded cast featuring academy award nominee michael shannon golden globenominee john leguizamo and taylor kitsch who stars as david koresh delve deeper into the untold story three of waco on the twentyfifth anniversary of the now infamous siege waco premiers wednesday january 24th on paramount network now let's get back to the story it 1983 lowest roden allowed vernon wayne hall to begin preaching to the group it was a skill he started honing a way back when he was a youngster at school and he gotten really good at it vernons tremendous capacity to speak extemporaneously from and about the bible deeply impressed other branch dividians as historian molly mcgarry points out other branch davidians new vernon only had a ninth grade education they saw this uneducated man's ability to recite from and speak about the bible for hours on end as a sign that he was truly moved by the holy spirit to speak as vernon gained their attention he began working to wrest power away from lois he turned away from the idea of the feminine holy spirit he went so far as to burn down the group's publishing building in 1983 so lois his message could no longer be published and spread in 1984 vernon effectively a.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:38 min | 2 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Cults

"Paramount network presents waco a six parked television event that tells the story of one of the most shocking sieges in us history that resulted in a fifty one day standoff between the fbi and the branch davidians the schilling colludes a star studded ensemble cast featuring michael shannon john leguizamo in taylor catch who plays david koresh waco premiers wednesday january 24th on paramount network due to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of graphic material that some people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen hi i'm greg poulsen and i'm vanessa richardson and this is cults today in part one of our exploration of david koresh and the branch davidians we'll take a deep dive into the life of david koresh their most infamous leader whose fate was sealed in a raging fire in waco texas in part to will focus on karesh is branch davidian followers will delve into crushes techniques for recruiting them their beliefs and the tragedy that befell that met waco finesse is going to lead the way on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note than us is not a licence psychologists and psychiatrists but she's that a lot of research for the show thanks greg and just a reminder if you're is fascinated by cult says we are you can listen to previous episodes of cults on your favorite podcast directory don't forget to subscribe while you're there because new episodes come out every tuesday but if you like what you hear please leave a fivestar review wherever you listen it helps.

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"david koresh" Discussed on WMEX 1510 AM

WMEX 1510 AM

02:00 min | 3 years ago

"david koresh" Discussed on WMEX 1510 AM

"Will offend all those people here the ones who act like it is the one thing i to say that which i think is very very funny where we come from a country that tout's uh religious freedom and we say everybody is equal and everybody has a right to observe their religion and worship in their own religion um when david koresh in waco texas i started his own religion the fbi came in a burnt the place down and killed everybody what's the difference between david koresh and the muslim religion what is the difference people because they're saying david creches religion he was sleeping with uh some of the younger people there a that's okay in the muslim religion they know the people in waco texas never killed anybody the branch davidians and they won't even go into a mosque even in this country all you can go into a moslem because sacred ground but when once again when you think about it was okay to kill american citizens on american soil four exercising their right to worship differently but people that are out blowing people up and killing innocent people and terrorising the world it's not okay to stop them it's not okay because liked obama is having a meeting today with a secure the council and how to deal with what's going on with isis and apparently i heard this during the news break uh one of the chief things he's going to be a promoting is tolerance great tolerance for isis tsui going to tolerate them we not a big deal we have a president in charge that is literally telling us we have to be tolerant of the people that are terrorising the entire free world just be tolerant don't don't upset him that's the worst see we have in charge in in with all this going on alqaeda is starting to make a comeback that's the big news came out early this morning that al qaeda is starting to come back a little what's when kiss was popular and they went away for a while now came back with a reunion hey this is isis to electric took a lead so they're probably thinking hey you know what an isis is doing pretty good and obama doesn't have a.

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