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"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

08:09 min | 7 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

"A fire broke out inside the compound and killed 76 Branch Davidians, including koresh and a number of children. The fateful events at Waco have been the subject of countless articles, books, and movies. The inspiration for further violence, the subject of intense and partisan congressional investigations, and would forever change America's views about the rights of citizens and governments use of force. Today I'm speaking with Eric Benson, senior editor at Texas monthly. In April of 2018, the 25th anniversary of the Waco siege, Benson wrote a series of articles for Texas monthly that helped shed new light on the tragedy at mount Carl. We talked today about how the public viewed the events at Waco at the time, and how the federal government has since been questioned about its role in the tragedy. American scandal is sponsored by the wire on HBO Max and the new podcast the wire at 20. 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Whether it's Tom Brady, un retiring, or LeBron hinting at another return to Cleveland. You'll hear about it on the lead starting 5. Listen now, on Apple podcasts, Amazon music or ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app. The lead starting 5. 5 sports headlines in ten minutes. Eric Benson, welcome to American scandal. Thanks, Lindsey. It's been 27 years since the events at Waco. That's a fairly long time in the nation was different then. So could you give us an idea of where we were and how the public initially viewed the events at Waco. Yeah, so I think for a few reasons it took the public a little bit of time to catch on to what was going on at the branch davidian compound. The first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 had happened on February 26th. Which was two days before the initial ATF raid on the branch of Ian compound. So most of the media attention and really the law enforcement national law enforcement attention was on that major terrorist attack in New York City. And that first ATF raid made the news, but it was really just as it became clear that this was not going to be something that ended in a day. There was going to involve a siege that it kind of became that became nightly news. Now, of course, you're dealing with a media environment where people have newspapers, and they have the television news. The World Wide Web just barely existed. There was no social media. So the kind of media that people had to find out about this event were much more limited. And how did the media shape people's narrative of what was happening at mount Carmel? Yeah, so I would even take kind of a step back and say, kind of, how was the media able to cover the events at mount Carmel? And initially, I think it was the day after the raid, the Branch Davidians had a way to communicate with the media on their own. David koresh gave an interview to CNN. It's kind of an amazing interview when he was still badly injured. From the initial rage, you know, where he was shot twice. The anchor asked him how he's doing and he says fair to Midland, which is a real real Texas kind of slangy saying. But then their contact with the outside world was cut off and just routed through the FBI negotiating team. And so the media was relegated to satellite city, which was about a mile away from the compound. They couldn't actually see the compound from satellite city. There was a local news station in Waco that had access to a farmer's property nearby, and they were able to do some live shots, especially as the siege went on. The media was able to cover Waco through FBI briefings that happened every day. And you could imagine that's a pretty one sided view of events. And so that really shaped how Americans heard about Waco, during the siege itself, they were getting the government's perspective. On Waco. And hearing a bit from some members of the Branch Davidians who had left largely before the siege and largely who opposed David koresh. Koresh was painted in the media as a cult leader, was that the FBI is doing the media is doing what effect did that have on public perception is who was at fault in this tragedy. Yeah, sure. It was part of the FBI's doing it was partially the media. It was partially people who had been Branch Davidians. Who had kind of gone through a group called the cult awareness network. Who thought that koresh's leadership was manipulative and felt that he had taken over the group and kind of bent it towards his end. But cult is obviously a very loaded term. And it has very negative connotations. So when that's bandied about, people make a lot of associations with it. The Jonestown massacre had happened, it was just about a decade and a half earlier. So that wasn't exactly fresh in people's mind. But this idea of cults and mass suicides and charismatic manipulative leaders was something that I think the American public was familiar with. And so it was easy to put correction that box. Do you think his painting as a cult leader and the pejorative connotations affected the government response? Well, the initial government response, the initial ATF raid. I don't think that was not in response to anything that the public thought of koresh. The Branch Davidians within the community of Waco, were viewed as a millennialist religious group that would come into town. But I don't think they were not viewed in Waco as people to be scared of there were, of course, people who had left the branch davidian community who accused of child abuse and that played a role in the initial ATF raid. It wasn't the principal reason that they raided, but it was in the affidavit for the rate. Even though as people have pointed out, that's not a federal crime. So the ATF shouldn't have been this charge of child abuse, which was unsubstantiated, probably should not have been used in the initial affidavit for the raid. But yeah, but as it went on, sure, you can speculate a lot about why the FBI's tactics, particularly from the hostage rescue team, were what they were. And I think those tactics were overboard and probably probably were influenced by it being easy to make the Branch Davidians seem other. And having koresh as this cult figurehead was easy to make that group seem other. Another group that seems other are Texans themselves. I'm a native

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"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

06:04 min | 7 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

"Always have unfinished business in Waco. It's early April, week 5 of the standoff. At the FBI command post Byron sage sits at a desk, waiting for an important meeting, a meeting that could set the standoff on a new course. After Gary nesse was removed as chief negotiator, sage stepped in as the de facto leader of the negotiating team. He was sorry to see Nestor go, but he's continued to push hard for a peaceful solution, even if progress has been slow coming. Sage has spoken on the phone with David koresh and Steve Schneider almost every day for 5 weeks straight, but it's been two weeks since any adult has walked through the doors of mount Carmel. Koresh hasn't released any children in more than a month. Sage stands up. It's time for his meeting with the FBI's commander Jeff Jamar. Sage walks past rows of agents all huddled over computer monitors. They have dark rings under their eyes, and they look worn fin, just like sage. Everyone is sick of living off cold pizza and they're tired of David koresh and having to organize their lives around the whims of a madman. Sage enters to Mars office, the commander is hunched over his desk, his expression stern. He gestures for sage to sit and asks if there's been any progress in getting people out of mount Carmel. Sage size and shakes his head. Jamar leans in. He wants to know the truth. Can they get David koresh to surrender? Sage takes a moment, swallows hard. It's difficult to admit after weeks of effort, but he tells Jamar what he believes. The negotiator seemed to have exhausted their options. At this point, sage is convinced that David koresh doesn't care about anyone inside. All he sees are ways to fulfill his own grandiose vision. Sage bites his left before offering his final assessment. He's not sure what koresh will do if they don't act soon. Jamar nods, he says he's glad sage has come around on the point because the agency has a new solution in mind. It's a plan codenamed Jericho. Sage recognizes the name Jericho from the famous siege in the Bible. Jamar picks up an aerial photograph of mount Carmel. He points to the compound and explains that according to the plan, tanks will approach mount Carmel with specialized equipment, outfitted with 30 foot arms. These arms will act like pipes that can penetrate the compound. Through these pipes, the tanks will then inject tear gas going room by room. They'll release the gas over a 48 hour period. They're not looking to force the Davidians out immediately. Instead, they'll gradually shrink the living space inside the compound until the entire building is saturated with tear gas. At that point, the Davidians will have no choice but to come out. Jamar looks up from the aerial photograph. He says that once they put Jericho into action, they'll need someone to tell the Davidians about the tear gas and to help talk them out of the building. He wants sage to fill that role. Jamar also explains that the highest levels of the FBI are on board. Soon, the FBI director will help present the plan to Janet Reno. President Clinton's new attorney general. And if Reno gives the okay, the tactical team will immediately put the plan into action. But right now, Jamar wants to know if sage is on board with the plan. Sage lets his mind imagine what will surely be a frightening scene inside mount Carmel. He can picture the thundering tanks, the white clouds of tear gas filling room after room. It's a risky plan, but keeping koresh in place feels even riskier. This has to end on the FBI's terms. So Byron sage tells Jamar, he's in. It's April 14th, 1993, and now day 46 of the standoff. David thibodeau smiles as he bounds up the stairs to the second floor of mount Carmel. He feels light on his feet, his former balk has wasted away after 6 weeks of combat rations, and the hardships of the long siege have purged his last spiritual doubts. For the first time in his life, thibodeau feels like he understands what faith truly means. At the top of the stairs, thibodeau stops and grins. Here, David koresh sits up against the wall, surrounded by a large group of followers, thibodeau sees his own hope reflected on their faces. Earlier today, koresh announced that he will end the standoff once and for all. God spoke to the prophet at the end of Passover. He instructed koresh to write down his interpretation of the 7 seals. Koresh said it will take two weeks, three tops, so he called the FBI and said as soon as he finishes writing the seals, he'll surrender. There will be no change of plans. Thibodeau scans the crowd and spots his wife, Michelle. She sits with serenity, her four year old daughter, who she had with koresh. Thibodeau goes and sits down beside them and serenity crawls into his lap. He smiles at her as she settles in. Settling on koresh is a look of calm and clarity, and then he begins to speak, exalted and proud as if God is flowing through him. He begins dictating the first of the 7 seals next to him, Judy Schneider types furiously on a typewriter. She takes down every one of his words, even though for the last 6 weeks, she's had a wound in her hand where she was shot. Crash's voice rises, he says that he who has chosen to open the seals will be persecuted exactly as he and his followers have been persecuted these long weeks..

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"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

02:53 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

"It's February 28th, 1993, and at 9 45 a.m., a black helicopter swoops down over mount Carmel. Inside the helicopter, Davey aguilera just his headset, peers down from a rear window. The pilot is flying low enough that aguilera can now see the grasses whipping beneath them. His heart pounds fast and his palms are sweaty. The helicopter then shoots over the gray roof of the property and banks around. At the same time, aguilera sees two cattle trailers, screeched to a halt in the front yard. ATF agents dream out of the trailers and charge at the front door with their guns drawn. Aguilera wishes he could get a closer view. This is the moment he's been working towards for 9 long months. He built the legal case for this raid, he secured the warrants, and now in a matter of minutes, he'll get to see David koresh taken into custody. Looking down, he catches a glimpse of two figures at mount Carmel's open door. Neither appears to be armed, aguilera watches the federal agent's race forward. He can imagine them shouting at koresh, ordering him to get down. Hopefully crash will surrender without a fight. The helicopter drifts around the building, and for a moment, aguilera loses his view of the front door, he cranes his neck and frustration, trying to see what's happening. The helicopter bank sharply and aguilera regains his view of the property. But now mount Carmel's double doors are closed, and ATF troops are firing into it. Time feels like it's slowing down. Aguilera looks across the property. Agents are sprawled out on the ground. They look injured, aguilera feels woozy, and his eyes searched the yard in vain, looking for koresh, but there's no sign of him. Just then aguilera notices movement on the roof. It's a group of ATF agents, a crouch low and approaching a second story window. It's a critical target. If they can break the window, it should be able to enter koresh's bedroom and secure the main gun room. But then aguilera sees something in his stomach lurches. On the roof and agent reels backwards and slumps. Another is hit and falls on top of the first, Aguilar yells out no and slams his hand against the window. He is.

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"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

American Scandal

04:36 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on American Scandal

"Its February 27th, 1993, ATF special agent Bill buford looks across a vast training area where a group of agents run yet another series of drills. The group is training today at fort hood, an army base in central Texas. They've been training here for two days straight ever since the news came in. A judge reviewed agent Davy aguilera's affidavit and issued two warrants. One was for the search of mount Carmel, the other for the arrest of David koresh. The federal raid is now officially on. Today, Beaufort is wearing a black baseball cap and a black vest. He carries himself like the former green beret that he is. He's been with the ATF for years, and he's here now with a team from New Orleans, helping to lead the Waco operations. Buford knows that this will be a complicated and difficult mission. David koresh's arsenal is formidable to say the least. On the day of the raid, the ATF will have to surprise the community at mount Carmel. That shouldn't be a problem. They have a solid plan in place, but buford is still worried for his people's safety. Buford approaches a maroon and white pickup truck. He's impressed with what the bureau has put together. It's kind of a Trojan horse. This, along with another pickup, will look right at home on any ranch in Texas. Each will tow a cattle trailer covered by tarps and bungee cords, except tomorrow their cargo won't be cattle. Each trailer will contain 35 federal agents armed and ready to go. Buford knows that once koresh sees this show of force, he be fooled to try and resist it. Buford reviews the plan again in his mind. First, an advanced team of snipers will position themselves around the property. Then the cattle trailers will arrive. A squad of ATF agents will approach the compound door. They'll deliver the warrants and attempt to take koresh into custody. Buford and the New Orleans team have a specific role. They're going to carry aluminum ladders and charge forward at mount Carmel. They'll use the ladders to gain entry to a second floor window. That window leads to David koresh's bedroom. Teen will secure the room and a nearby gun room. Buford orders his team to run through the scenario again. They have less than 12 hours to go before the raid, and tomorrow morning, everything must be perfect. It's just past 8 in the morning on February 28th, 1993. David Jones drives down a rutted back road in his yellow Buick. The words U.S. Postal Service are emblazoned on the side of the car. Jones is David koresh's brother in law and works as a local mail carrier. Sunday is his day off, and right now he's returning from an errand in town. But as he heads down the empty road, he spots a Chevy blazer. It's parked on the side of the road and bears the logo of a Waco TV station. A man stands beside it, and looks over a large road map. Seems lost. So Jones pulls over, hoping he can help the man find his way. Jones approaches the man, but the man steps back, startled. He takes a look at Jones Buick, and asks if he's really a mailman. Joan says he is, the man seems to calm down. He explains that he's a cameraman for the TV news, and he's trying to find a place called mount Carmel center. Right away, the hair on Jones next sticks up, his mind begins to race. What does the media want with mount Carmel he wonders? If koresh was expecting a news crew, Jones would have heard about it. He's just about to ask what's going on when he sees the newsman staring past him at the road. His eyes wide. Jones turns to see a white suburban zoom past. He catches a glimpse of the passengers, all of them are wearing combat helmets and black bulletproof vests. Joan's mind races, a TV news truck, men and full combat gear, he can only mean one thing. The day koresh prophesies has come, mount Carmel is about to be attacked by government forces. Without another word to the cameraman, he jumps back into his Buick and pulls away. He has to get back.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

02:17 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

03:05 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"Can't wait to see that. The last thing I wanted to talk to you about, there is a sequel, I think the first time in 35 years, the sequel has come out. It's Top Gun two, Tom Cruise is in it. Have you seen it? Do you want to see it? What are your thoughts on this film? You know, who wants to see this movie very strongly? My sense. Are they not talking to him? No, but excuse me. You know, he talks very loud and Christian and we can hear him when he's yelling. And he said, oh wow. Navy navy seamen Mavic can't wait. So I think it's a great sign. It's a great sign that, you know, Tom Cruise is one of our great movie people. And it's a great thing. Because it's patriotic. It's America. It's military. Obviously, you see, notice on all the planes. One door. You don't see it. You don't see 20 doors on every plane, do you? No, you get into one door. There's actually two doors, probably. Well, three doors down. And he gets into the cockpit. And he gets in that engine and he just goes Rome from. And it's very strong in patriotic and military per military pro Second Amendment pro. Troops truth social. So it's a great message behind the movie. Yeah, I'm excited to see it. I want to check it out. It's got good reviews. So far, mister president, I appreciate you. Yes. When I force myself upon you, that's a new soundtrack. For concerns. Trying hard to stay home. Baby. But baby. Just farted. Anyway, we're working on the lyrics. The national Medusa is doing a sequel called maga Top Gun three. Trump. And so I have to work on the of us that rapey feeling, which is going to be sort of the strong theme song. I could see that winning some sort of award for best soundtrack. From your from your math to Trump's ears. Mister president, thank you so much for joining us. Again, next week, we will see you for Pride Month. It's Pride Month. I'm sure you're very excited for Pride Month. We're going to have questions coming in. That's right, doing the Pence dance..

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

03:36 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"You tell us about the film though? David koresh is made many strong conservative films. In fact, he has a perfect rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Not rotten oranges, but are out in tomatoes. Every film he's gotten here has gotten the most perfect score ever. All those movies have 0% because they were saying we have 0% of error. Not a single arrow is made in these films. So did 2000, you know? I've heard of this there, right there. He's got great Rotten Tomatoes scores. I know who you're talking about. And his dishwasher detergent is one of the finest filmmakers we have. Very conservative, which is rather mainstream media as I can. But 2000 meals was about how Roger Stone through a very nice party in Mexico. Okay. And as his wife down there and he showed generous Roger Stone, I'd be so mad if I were Roger Stone. So all these young men come down to Mexico and they line up. And they all had to be riding a mule. Which is where you get the 2000 meals. And then each one double teamed Roger Stone's wife, said a mule was going and the man and the mule take Rogers. He tested that they original the original title was 2000 mules and 2000 men. Of mules and men, but they felt that was too close of mice and men. So they just went with 2000 years and what happened was Roger Stone was very generous. And his wife is a real trip there. That turned out? You know, I'd expect men coming to a Rajasthan party. Excuse me. Now I'm going to bestial research with a strong patriotic Cuban American woman. You would expect these people to be high class individuals, very nice, very moral, very patriotic people. It turns out some of the men who came down to have bestia threesomes that are just stone's wife were not great people. I don't buy it. And you've never seen it. I look so betrayed. Here's how I can't believe I invite these men and them, you have four weeks consecutive intercourse with my wife. Without a break, she had an IV of water. And saline solution hooked up so that she wouldn't miss any time. And it turns out these people are not great people..

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

03:35 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"But I can pull up the primaries right now if you want to go through the candidates who you endorsed and they've lost, why are people who you endorse losing? Because are you endorsing those people? And they won. How about that? You see how that works. If I endorse winners and then they win and then fake news tech stuff people say so. What about this person, sir? You know, you know, I every single person I endorsed. One, and they won big league. I'm going to check on this. Today. I.

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

05:34 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"The show. Now, mister president NRA, now. Somebody named Barron Trump at that is just tried to sign up for truth Scotia. Guess what? Rejected. Rejection. Now, NRA guns should be tight security there, right? Doors, right? Doors should be locked, right? It was strong mental health. Excuse me. Great security. And the thing is, the security was so great. They didn't even allow guns inside. How about that? No. Stephanie doesn't like that, by the way, Tiffany is not a fan of banning guns. Well, a journalist by the name of Laura wind drawer windor walked right into the NRA convention through an unlocked door and she's talking how bad the security is for a gun convention with very powerful people there. And she kind of walked right in. What are your thoughts on this lac security? You mentioned doors before as a key part of gun control. I like to hear what are your thoughts on the doors and the mental health there. At the NRA convention. I love a stone is a very radical left crazy person, so I didn't like the doors at all. I thought it was a very weak movie, and I thought the band was very overrated. As far as security, I thought it was a test text stuff. It's like you don't even know security. It's like, you know, you do tech stuff. That's a security stuff. It was a test. And this woman passed it. Because what she doesn't know is we had 20 members of the Mountain Dew army. To beat the shit out of her. They didn't, because Regina man, they were ready. Security was incredibly strong. So they let her in knowing that she was a journalist. Is that what you're saying? No. They just saw a woman by herself and the instincts of the Mountain Dew army. Do you see a woman by herself attack? But she wasn't the type one. No, no. Because we specifically said Sam down. He didn't ask about that part. It didn't ask you about the stand down. It should have been a place where you are, okay?.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

01:46 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"Sloan? I know she's being your DMs. You gotta kind of, I don't know how I really ended last time. You kind of didn't blow her off, but didn't pursue, are there any anything has gone on since the last time we talked? You know, she went away with mister Sloan. Honora day weekend. And after respect that text stuff, maybe you don't respect it, but I respect it if you go away with your husband and minority weekend. It's going to respect. So hopefully we'll resume chatting, but we have, as I've said, a very strong business relationship and, you know, she wrote, I'm transsexual. You know, I told you we fast tracked her. I'm just so sure. I don't want to wear a mister song, but her relationship status, you know, we do a relationship status. Some truth. Our relationship said has said it's complicated. Uh oh. So, you know, that's interesting, very interesting. Very interesting. I mean, the other options on truth social relationship are will have sex with Trump. Consent optional sex with Trump. Strong sex with Trump. Or it's complicated. In a relationship with Trump, and it's complicated. So she chose its complicated of those options. I respect that, but I think that's bad news for mister Sloan. But I said, let them, you know, she might be breaking up with him over minority weekend knowing what a sacred time it is for Ivanka and I well,.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

05:20 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"Tradition. I get, you do the horror. Oh, she's a. Very emotional moment. Ash is a real associate, definitely does the horror. Well, that sounds like a great day. Usually people today celebrate Memorial Day, you know, people who serves our country and while we have our freedoms and people to respect for the troops, of course, respect but this is the troops that died. You know that, right? Right. They vote for sleepy Joe and voter fraud. Now I like Veterans Day because they're the ones who can still vote. So we have a very strong Veterans Day, but for minority, you know, we say thank you, troops. Most of you probably would have voted for me because I'm a patriot, but that's okay. Now get back to dancing. Ivanka, strong Jewish dancing. Now, this president, one of the ask you, I know we didn't touch on this last week, and I think it happened the day we were recorded, but the tragedy of the school shooting in Texas, I think there were 19 victims and the week after you spoke recently at an NRA, the annual convention, and you said all the victims names, except you got a lot of them wrong and you mispronounced them. And I think you were holding a weapon while you were doing this. Would you like to address this? I'll just because my penis has raped many women. I wouldn't call it a weapon, but thank you, tech stuff. No, I think you had a similar rifle AR-15 type weapon, I think. That's what I read. It's got the national effort. So they have weapons. Do you think you have to hold one as you're reading the names of victims were killed by a firearm? I think that might be take this rather holding a weapon and it's a very sad thing that happened.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

03:32 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"Now, I know what you're talking about. You're talking about Benedict. I guess so it's Barron is what I know him as that's what he was answering to when I was talking about. Is that how he identifies theoretical left Slovenian? He says I identify as baron well guess what Benedict? Well, mister president, one of them ask you if you did anything special for Memorial Day today. We are recording arm Memorial Day. Yes, and on a sometimes I want to know about the Patreon people. We don't even talk about the mappings with the harder who don't review us on Appleton's. But un minora day can as you know, Ivanka's extremely attractive Jewish women. What did you say? Minora day? Today, a very we get the day off, Donna, a Jewish candles. We go out and that's why you do the barbecue because you also can use the fire from the barbecue and then say, now I'm going to let these candles for the Jewish people. So I think it was a successful minor day. We had many Jewish people only the hot ones now. But you have to have a plus one, like if you're Steve Mnuchin, who's a very ugly Jewish person. He's going to bring his hot wife. So if you have a plus one that's allowed in. What do you barbecue? For minority. The gold coins, the Jewish gold coins, it kind of makes the grill a little messy, but it's like, hey, we want to have some Jewish chocolate. And then, you know, then some black women who converted to Judaism walk in. And dance. That's a very nice tradition. Wow. I never heard of anyone barbecuing. Chocolate guilt. Is there anything else that's thrown on the barbecue? Guilty as charged. That's. The only thing that's thrown on the barbecue. Is there anything that's cooked? Well, obviously he's not invited, but you should make Pence would come in with ten pounds of bratwurst going sir, sir. Let me throw these on the grill. I don't need a button, sir. I'll just use my mouth and hands. But you know, we do a sort of a traditional minora day celebration of the honor of the candles. And we barbecue the chocolate gold coins and we put matzo and potato pancakes. I know, I know all the matzo balls so when you pour the matzo ball soup on the grill, it gives you a nice, like the soup gets right in there into the fire and it's like almost an explosion. So it's hard to get guilt and matzo ball soup that you barbecue. I'm not sure. I like my matzo extra menorah crispy. And to be tasteful out of respect, Ivanka is to yarmulkes has pasties. Because it's sort of sunny beach whoever, so she puts the yarn okay is warm out. On her two surgically enhanced stacks of potato pancakes, and then dances around to.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

Making Podcasts Great Again

05:45 min | 8 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Making Podcasts Great Again

"What's going on everyone? Welcome back to another episode of making podcast great again. I am your tech stuff guy, jaina. And we are here, of course, with the president of the United States of Mar-a-Lago of America, please welcome. Mister president Donald J Trump. Mister president, how are you today? Okay. I just got a new Samsung earlier that. Look at that, Samsung sent me a phone. That's what happens next step when you're a nice guy. Take care of my computer, and I take care of my phones. You know, obviously, when I get back into The White House, if I run, I can say for, you know, you know why? I think we're going to have to make him sort of chief technology agent. I think that's a role we can have in a title. Administration. And by the way, not to make our listeners. But guess who just got approved for truth session? I was just talking about him 12 seconds ago. Oh, well, Samsung. Okay, I thought he was already a proof. I can't believe he wasn't approved yet. I'm actually shocked. Well, the thing is, Samsung is busy. You know, by the enemy, I'd rather get in people's faces a lot. But I'm going to go let him take his time. You know, it's like a coach. He got to know how to do coaching, don't you? What are the tech stuff people those coaching? Yeah. You probably do have life coach and you seem like that kind of radical left type. But real coaching, they got to know you. It's called knowing your personality. And maybe you have a guy you need to be in his face. We have a guy who say, okay, let him let the game come to him. Samsung is a let the game come to him. You don't want to get into his face when he's doing his work. So he's doing strong tech work, a lot stronger than you, by the way. And that's hurting. And excuse me?.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Conspiracy Theories

Conspiracy Theories

05:55 min | 11 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Conspiracy Theories

"1990s, the remaining members of heaven's gate were fueled by a new purpose. They had to warn as many people as they could that the end of the age was almost here. They had to spread the message of the next level before it was too late. They convinced a handful of new recruits to join their group. But for the most part the public rejected their message, ridiculed them, told them they were crazy. It didn't make heaven's gate any less dedicated to their faith. It just convinced them of a hard truth. The rest of the world didn't listen because they weren't worth saving. One member explained in a statement, the weeds have taken over the garden and truly disturbed its usefulness beyond repair. It is time for the civilization to be recycled, spate it under. In other words, humanity was a total lost cause. Inside the confines of heaven's gate, members were taught to reject their humanness, initially that helped them focus on their transformation, but after so many years highlighting every human flaw it manifested into a complete hatred of the outside world, humanity wasn't just lost, it was disgusting, rotten to the core. We can see evidence of that in the following prayer. Please open my eyes so that I may see as you the corrupt wicked and evil ways of this world, so my hate will grow daily for what it has chosen to become. Help me not to be blinded to knowing that in order to leave this world, I must have grown to despise it. Another follower felt this planet has become the planet of The Walking Dead. The human world is a hideous hell due to all of the poor choices humans have made since the beginning of this civilization. Crucially, the members of heaven's gate had convinced themselves that they weren't humans. They were aliens in human clothes. They didn't belong here. And the failed recruitment basically sealed the deal on that. Because the rest of the world treated them like outsiders, they felt persecuted, and they wondered if one day someone might attack them for trying to spread their message. Their dog has been an undercurrent of paranoia in heaven's gate. Back in the 70s, Marshall applewhite and Bonnie Lou nettles had gone underground for a time because they were worried they might be arrested. All of the negative press about them made them feel like targets. The group remained skittish even after they formed the classroom, they moved constantly, never staying in any one place for more than 6 months, paying for everything in cash. Part of this was to keep them from getting too comfortable. That was a human crutch, but it was also to make them harder to track. However, their latest round of recruitment had exposed them in a big way. Heaven's gate was front page news by their own making. So these feelings of paranoia intensified, because not only did apple white feel like he alone knew the truth about Christianity. He also knew the truth about aliens and UFOs. Members of heaven's gate believed that the U.S. government had covered up past UFO crashes and the recovery of alien bodies, things that would prove the existence of the next level. So by telling the world about all of it, it put a target on their back. But maybe that wasn't a bad thing. By this point, everyone in the group knew they would need to leave behind their vehicles. Their bodies. To get to the next level. This was what they called the exit. And if the government saw them as a threat, maybe their exit would happen during some kind of standoff with authorities. They'd seen it happen before, with other French groups. Apple white pointed to Randy weaver at ruby ridge and David koresh at Waco. He saw them as men who were devout in their own way and had also been labeled outsiders. They were both involved in standoffs with authorities in the early 90s, both had ended with a body count. Maybe the same thing would happen to heaven's gate. Maybe that was the exit that the next level had planned for them. The group purchased several guns and learned how to use them. In a public usenet posting, apple white wrote that anyone who was interested in joining heaven's gate should come with their own weapon and be prepared to use it. But eventually, they backed off from that idea. A government siege was too unpredictable. Sociologist Robert balch explained in heaven's gate the cult of cults. Half of them would be dead and the other half will end up maimed and crippled, and still stuck here on Planet Earth. So the group continued to grapple with this pressing question. How were they going to exit? Should they simply wait for their vehicles to break down one by one? They'd always believe that they would graduate together as a group. And out of all of them, Marshall applewhite's vehicle was breaking down the fastest. He was an older man now in his 60s, according to some of his former followers, he thought he might be dying, suffering from a form of cancer. At the very least, age was taking a heavy toll. Then in September of 1994, applewhite approached the group and asked, what if we had to exit our vehicles by our own choice? Did we have a problem with that? Once again, he turned to the Bible for guidance. Jesus had sacrificed his body, allowed himself to be killed so that he could return to his father in heaven. Should heaven's gate follow his example and take their own lives. The reaction from the group was somber, it was a long conversation considering all the possibilities, tears were shed, and at least one person packed their bags that night and left heaven's gate as a result. But the majority of them agreed to consider suicide as their exit strategy. One former member.

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"david koresh" Discussed on Game of Crimes

Game of Crimes

05:34 min | 11 months ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Game of Crimes

"With the David koresh, you know, and those guys down in Waco, one of those guys was a friend of Yeah, yeah, you know, again, and I think the university thing is too and I want people to understand this too. You don't have to be in a firefight as a law enforcement officer to have PTSD. You don't have to be shot in the head or take a round. And a lot of times, and for me, it was the fucking shame component. I would like all my Friends have been through so much shit. And I got a guy that didn't even fucking shoot me. And I'm spinning on that. I go, what up? The self loathing was palatable. I was like, what kind of pussy are you, man? You didn't get shot. These other guys got fucking shot. They're okay. You're gonna get shot, but it's that it's that shame component that not a lot of guys, the one guy that I took that was thinking about killing himself, you know, he'd never been in a shooting. Never drew his pistol in anger as law enforcement. But he's also been to how many baby deaths. How many tragic car accidents? How many suicides, where the kid, the 50 year old hug himself outside the kitchen window, so his mom could see him out of some and consoling that. Dealing with Manson humanity to man every day and seeing how evil and evil's out there. And it exists and it's there. So you deal with that every day after 30 years and you're wondering, man, I wonder why I'm having some fucking issues. Hey man, you know, it's death by a thousand paper cuts, brother. You don't have to be in a shootout every other day to fucking have trauma. And the reason I was bringing that up, as I said, we've all lost friends. I was not counting, but I mean, you kind of sit back sometimes and anticipation of this episode and I was thinking, you know, I've lost more friends to suicide than I have line of duty deaths..

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"david koresh" Discussed on UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

05:05 min | 1 year ago

"david koresh" Discussed on UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

"This big package is only extra hundred bucks. I'm like i don't want a hundred bucks. I watch fight says it to watch your other stuff. What will you gotta buy the whole bags. I'm like act canceled or dot tv but while you cancel the tv fourteen years ago instead fifteen years ago and just stuck with it. Yeah i got you for you. So what about netflix. You think you know. I mean they. They brought a susan rice. They brought rigging obama's on the board they got all these like creepy like half child problems frigging videos and you gotta do a little research man. They're creepy. I mean the movie that they got in trouble for the. I forget what it was about kids working. Uies twelve year olds. Yeah they didn't make it but they showed. It made that. I told you about this. With who is a cult leader the waco guy. David koresh made that women do that with the director. Who made that. Roy made that movie that guy it whoever whatever. The piece of shit made that they made that guy to be the hero and at one point in that movie they go and if it doesn't listening left the scene in the movie the guys talking radio guy and he goes well and if you have a problem with david koresh being with an underage of fourteen year old whatever. It was then. You don't have a problem with greg. Problems with texas. Laura the state of texas southern like wait a minute. Why is that putting their third case. This guy be with a a our see that adding. It's it's sabs to i. What is this crap that yeah. That's what i'm but but you know there's people like us Isn't too many people out there. Like i seen that. I might gonna making this guy out. I rock star some kind of fucking robinhood or some shit. And i'm like what do the politics of what down there. But if you are trying to justify this guy being with a young teenage girls something you're already fucking dead wrong and usually fucking on. I know i get nuts with it was also a way to make the fbi look shitty too. They i think they wanted to blame the fbi. They what they wanted to make the cops look like idiots to that one line that was in there was i remember that line too..

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"david koresh" Discussed on Grumpy Old Geeks

Grumpy Old Geeks

05:36 min | 1 year ago

"david koresh" Discussed on Grumpy Old Geeks

"The doorway to heaven is a revolving door in the mcu so but but watch it man. I'm trust me. it's funny it's short. It hits your twenty two minute mark so it's really fun even the credits at the like. I'm like why is this forty minute. Oh the credits. The end eight minutes long because what they do is they play the credited normal speed where you can actually read. Who built the show. I i love. I love that they do that anyway. What i also love is quentin tarantino has bought the la vista theater. Yes i do yeah. It's right next to the branch davidian building over there in silver lake. Because he bought the beverly glen and that's been doing well for him but now he's about the l. a. vista and. I'm very happy about this. Because it's a nice theater i remember. I've seen a movie. there have been in. I've never been in it. I've been in the branch davidian building. Because i almost rented david koresh office for my first. Isp they just couldn't get the phone lines jackson. The price was right but they couldn't get us enough Twisted pairs in there. We needed to do a t. One is so we needed like you know. A a group of twelve twisted pairs run into their and they couldn't do it. But it was like eight hundred bucks a month to get literally david rushes office in the branch. Davidian building to be our isp and we wanted it so mad. But yeah so. I get on clinton. I'm happy about that upset. I am continuing to order stuff. That i may or may not need even turn in time for the move and i realized i didn't have another. Usb of flat wall charger. So i ordered the knick mit dual port ultra thin flat. Usb wall charger was smart icy from amazon Does what it says on the tin pretty nice looking at white so it fits in with everything and you barely even see it and Until i can actually replace all my outlets with the ones that have the built in usb chargers this fantastic so does the job. I also wanted to make sure. I had enough charging cables for everything around. So i ordered a multi. Usb fast charging cable are spurred four one. Three eight charge record connector with dual phone type c micro usb universal port after compatible with cellphones tablets and more four foot to pack. So i've got a bunch of these cable sitting around. That can charge absolutely anything that i need to have charged so i feel like my charging game is now on point. Okay but why did you. Why don't you go with. What are the super fast chargers. I wanted the with all the connections. Because i have like some weird shit that uses micro usb universal like the sound machine for my kid and all this other stuff so this this is a a good middle of the road solution that charges absolutely everything so i never have to go to my bag defined a fucking charging cable for the right thing. Okay is this has smart icy so we'll see because i have the the anchor Plugs and they were. They definitely work a lot faster. But what i found is i don't need them to work that much faster because plo them in at night that just kind of the thing for me. This is more convenience over speed. I don't need the speed either. I'm sitting there going. Come on bitch charge. That things are always just sitting for a long time. So i do have to say though that i've started using Remember batas anchor G charging af the y. You one when i started the phone never worked for ship. Were great for me. I don't know what you were doing. Maybe her case was too thick. But i've got them. I just put him back around the house. They work great phone on what i'm in a room and just let it go of cooking a slap it on there and i'm always charge. That's why i don't need those superchargers anymore. Right and nick wrote in. I'm sure you'll have seen this but in case you haven't here's a story about how companies really should check out the connotations of works before they happily register their names and this is a company Of course it's a crypto term. That is also a uk term for child rapists nonce nonce. Don't don't name your finance company after a slang term for a child rapist bad idea. That's weird because nonce was also another It's a one time usage type of thing. I mean that was. That's a pro grammatical term. So i i. I never heard it used as anything on okay. Yeah okay article. Too that pop star phil collins has been fooled by producers into wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the fake anti pedophilia slogan nonsense. Actually kind of want that shirt okay. The notes where i. That's just so weird. That nonce is a child rapist term. I don't get it. I really don't I guess depends on where you live. I don't know many many things to got. What what what what elon. Musk call that guy just called him a pedo right. I think so. Yeah you know south africa. And he's not british exactly in south outer kapito. Just means weirdo. Means guy guy who wants to go to space. Okay.

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The Angel's Landing Cult

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

02:03 min | 1 year ago

The Angel's Landing Cult

"I think it's pretty safe to say when most of us think of angels whether or not you actually believe in them we see them symbols of peace and protection. I personally have never heard of anyone. Trying to use them to justify vile criminal and objectively morally repugnant actions. These i hadn't heard of that before. I'd heard about scumbag. Daniel perez cult leader tend to twist religious symbols and scripture to fit their own horrific narratives to serve their own selfish dark motives and daniel perez leader of a very small cult. Known as the angels landing cult was no exception. He twisted things. Further than most. perez is living proof that if he kissed the right people their lowest and most vulnerable points. You can get them to believe damn near anything. Peres comes across as maybe the laziest cult leader. We've covered so far. The least spiritually invested seems spent least amount of time studying religious teachings and for his laziness he was rewarded with over. Ten years of easy living clearly didn't put a lot of thought into his cult leader. Theology and i guess he didn't have to get what he wanted. He didn't write any book. No david berg. Child god type newsletters. He didn't spin out of an existing church. Poach former members like david koresh. He didn't come up with any crazy but at least somewhat thought out prophecies like y'all way been y'all way no complex theology or ideology no follower hierarchy didn't predict the world was gonna end soon like so many co-leaders or that he was god or jesus reincarnated or god's chosen prophet or any of that. Do to set some real real crazy shit centering around him. Knowing more than the rest of us and having heavenly powers the rest of us don't have people with minds far to open unprovable beliefs. A few people with far too much faith in celestial possibilities. They bought whatever he was selling and that was enough to allow him to live the terrible life he wanted to live some of those chosen few sadly brought their families into his cruel insanity and in several of them gave up their lives so he and the other followers can live off the money. He made through their deaths via his crazy life insurance scam. That actually worked far far too many times. Dana pres- is still living reminder. How dangerous it can be to dedicate your life to some whack. A doodle who claims they can do things or know things that they just can't proof

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