17 Burst results for "David Graeber"

"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

Amanpour

03:48 min | 2 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

"Is you don't make your life incredibly difficult but if you're the guy was sitting around being the assistant to the assistant that guy is giving the orders they won't get rid of you if you if you're doing nothing but you see that's fundamentally backwards then because they actually cutting out the meaningful jobs actually yes can i use that though it makes no sense why why what does your research show why is that that well i think part of it just has to do a beckenham policy a lot of it i think it's really a result of trickled down i mean if money does trickle down is you just redistribute money upwards by giving tax cuts to billionaires and say you are job creators go and create jobs if you give money to poor people they'll go and buy food if you give money to middle class people it might by car swimming pool by the way employers have to hire people to make this stuff if you give money directly to the rich people well you know there is nobody to buy the stuff so what are they going to do these easiest thing if they're under pressure to pyre people because they're supposed to be job creators is just hire a bunch of flunkies to sit around and make them feel good about themselves it's really fascinating that because right now we also know that there's this real clash between the divide the economic divide the eternally you know privileged and increasingly underprivileged we also know that young people are emerging from college if they're lucky enough to have gone and to have taken heavy heavy loans be in terrible debt guess how does that affect them in terms of the choice of jobs what it means they don't have a lot of choices and one of the fascinating things that my research revealed is there's an almost inverse relationship between the degree to which your work obviously helps other people directly benefits authors and how much you're likely to get paid so a lot of young people find themselves in this terrible quandary their debt is so high that if they want to do something that's actually good for other people they know they can forget about having a family they can forget about ever having their own house so you have this sort of devils choice between taking the meeting pointless job that might even make the world a worst place but still being able to have the kind of lifestyle your parents could expect or doing some good in the world and suffering horribly and get paid peanuts yeah you've written also that there is an almost perfect inverse relation between how much you work directly benefits others and remediation so we've talked about that but you've just said the result is a talks sick political culture of resentment do you think that twin extent has fueled the last few years of this rise of toxic populism i absolutely do and i think it's something that we're not looking at i think that there is a tendency on the part of people in this professional managerial classes where often they aren't doing bs or they often feel their work is totally pointless to resent people who actually do something with their hands or make something or teach people take care of people i mean why else would it be that after the two thousand eight crash the people actually had to take pay cuts took a hit economically weren't actually the bankers almost every case when an america was auto workers in this country it was teachers nurses ambulance drivers people who are actually helping others and there seemed to be almost a resentment of people who get to do something where they can at least feel good about themselves and at the same time people have one that society needs it's not just about feeding good about yourself so they can feel good about themselves because they know they're doing something society needs do you have a solution i mean you've obviously given a lot of thought to this what is what is your solution how can be s jobs be ba factored out and to get more meaningful jobs that actually help society and help people and make sure the people arguing meaningful jobs get compensated appropriately i mean because they're actually doing something useful i think that we need to rethink the entire system i think the.

"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

Amanpour

03:38 min | 2 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

"The cold war the president and said he thought relations were bad worse than they ever were until his meeting he forgets the cold war if he ever remembered it at all things have been very bad between us and they're going to end up very bad between us if we go down this road dan coats the director of national intelligence are you mentioned not only said something about russian meddling in our elections the other day he said the lights are blinking red it's like pre nine eleven the russians are doing things like cyber attacks on our power grid inserting things into our power grid for future use that's a situation that we've never had an it's is reminiscent of the cold war well no can you know you talk about the lights blinking red like prenine eleven you were saying the same thing actually pre nine eleven you were saying that the lights were bringing blinking red and the institutions the white house they didn't believe you they didn't listen to you and then we got what we did and one can say that america has still not recovered from nine eleven i mean you know how do they blinking how bad is it what will happen if they hack into the power grid or what else could they do so dan coats the director of national intelligence who said the lights are blinking red like pre nine eleven he's a former republican senators you know he's a presidential appointee by this president and he is saying publicly the the lights are blinking red because of russian activity and he meant two things one attacks on our infrastructure put things in getting ready to do something number one and number two they're ongoing ongoing attempts to affect our election system we're having an election this country of a house and senate in a little over two months and apparently according to us intelligence the russians are beginning to do things as they did two years ago to affect the votes we have to act to stop that and if the president won't the congress and the governors of the states have to act now well we'll wait to see if they do take your your warnings but i wanted to put to you the president has been defending himself the white house has been putting out talking points and here's what everybody's saying president trump isn't going to let an excessive focus on the past get in the way of building a brighter future between the world's two largest nuclear powers and of course they've also blamed the press and the hysteria of the press etc etc is there anything thing to be said for what the white house is trying to say well the president is saying i want to get beyond this none of this happened on my watch i want to get on this and have a good relationship with russia precisely to rein in then malign efforts this is not just about what happened two years ago it's about what's happening now the continuing efforts to influence american politics and the american election system they're continuing efforts to put cyber weapons into our infrastructure there violation of treaties that we have with them on nuclear arms charge such as the imf treaty on nuclear weapons in europe this isn't about the past it's about present russian activity they continued occupied part of ukraine a country that the united states guaranteed security to when they gave up nuclear weapons after the end of the cold war it's not about the past it's about now.

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"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

Amanpour

04:51 min | 2 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

"Russia i don't think so you know i have been very reluctant to come to the conclusion that he's a controlled asset but that's the term that we use in the intelligence community when we have someone in another government who for whatever reason does what we want them to do because we're bribing them because we have something on them he is acting like a controlled asset gosh richard club honestly i'm getting shortage of breath as i hear you say that because it is so profoundly worrying and scary and it starts to put a very clear point on what this president is doing and i wonder whether you think that this could be a tipping point even if you think that the republicans who have criticized him have done it strongly enough and enough of them or do you think this is still sort of what aboutism and we'll we'll we'll fade once the day or the week fades well we had press releases and tweets from leading republicans yesterday but no action and there are actions that the congress can take the congress the senate in particular could pass a motion of censure that's been rarely done but it is something available to them we don't have to wait for bob muller to come out with all the facts and then go through a year long impeachment process there are things now that the congress can do they can limit his authority they can censor him for his actions either house can do it both houses can do it this is a time of testing and history will look back on what the republican leaders did now so far they're not doing much do you go as far as some republicans have done and even the columnist tom friedman in describing what happened as a treasonous act in fact he was the former i believe director john brennan who called it beyond crimes and misdemeanors and into the realm of treason and so did call him this tom friedman well when the former cia director who's a career cri officer of over thirty years service and has served many presidents of both parties as i have done to says the word treason that doesn't come likely it's one thing before newspaper columnist to say it but when someone who has been cia director says it you have to think about it and i thought about that i looked up the definition of the word treason after i heard him say that and it is giving aid and comfort to the enemy and i think that's what the president has done he has given aid and comfort to russia which is our enemy even though he won't admit that russia is our enemy you know the remarkable thing is he won't admit russia our enemy but the day before that meeting he called the european union a afo is willing to call the eu fo but he won't admit the russia is our enemy in fact extraordinarily in the press conference the president again cold vladimir putin and russia a competitor but then he added i mean that as a compliment and i want yeah sorry go ahead no exactly that's the point he he views them as a potential business partner and he ignores the fact that they have invaded countries let them shot down airlines and that they have attacked our democratic institutions and richard while here there's a lot of gnashing of teeth and wailing and beating of breasts over this in moscow they are champagne corks popping to coin a phrase that our state television bragging about what's just happened there is the foreign minister himself sergei lavrov a really smart geopolitical strategists a veteran of these wars and hybrid wars who's called the press conference magnificent and greater than super the helsinki newspaper has called it you know trump zero putin one beyond those of us sort of reactions from those quarters is what happened dangerous for the united states beyond just woods in a press conference is there a danger or not but there's a great danger and i think the russians are unwise to be gloating over this because the reaction in the united states is building and they were action in the united states will come and it will make relations between the united states and russia far worse than they've been since.

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"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

Amanpour

05:14 min | 2 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on Amanpour

"Welcome to the program everyone i'm christiane amanpour in london after a year and a half of donald trump's dealership we all know the script the president says something outrageous his opponents how his supporters unite behind him but when donald trump stood side by side with vladimir putin in helsinki and bagged him over his own intelligence agencies that seemed to be a bridge too far and seventeen hours after landing back at the white house today donald trump came out to defend himself i have felt very strongly that well russia's actions had no in fact at all on the outcome of the election let me be totally clear and saying that and i've said this many times i accept our intelligence communities conclusion that russia's meddling in the two thousand sixteen election to the place could be other people also a lot of people out there there was no collusion at all right after that press conference in helsinki some of his supporters stuck to the usual playbook in the face of the backlash hear was sean hannity on fox speaking to the president right after he came off that stage with president putin you very strong at the end of that press conference he said where are the servers what about what peter struck said we're the thirty three thousand emails but elsewhere on the cheerleading folks news not everyone toed the line host neil cavuto called the president's performance disgusting take a listen us resident on foreign saul talking to our biggest enemy or adversary or competitor i don't know how we define these days is essentially letting the guy got away with this and not even you know offering a mild a mild criticism here's president trump's own director of national intelligence dan coz he said quote we've been clear in our assessments of russian meddling in the two thousand sixteen election and we will continue to provide unvarnished an objective intelligence in support of our national security and several republicans in congress criticize president trump including adam kinsey an air force petrin and also will heard a former cia agent i think trump president trump was wrong yesterday in a major way and i think it was a very embarrassing press conference in having the us president side with with putin over us intelligence i'm this just unacceptable the host of all this controversy is president trump's refusal to acknowledge that russia attacked the twenty sixteen presidential election no one knows more about the dangers of cyber warfare than my guest tonight richard clarke he was counterterrorism saw under presidents clinton and bush and he's written numerous books on tara and cyber threats richard clarke welcome to the program thanks for joining me from new york good to be back with you christiane so just take us to way you were as you must have been watching along with the whole world that press conference in helsinki alongside ladimir putin and it wasn't american journalist too in five who put direct questions to the president and to putin over this highly controversial affair well what was remarkable about it was he knows that what he was saying isn't true and he knows we know what he was saying wasn't true this is not just him talking about tax policy or healthcare it's him talking about the fact that america was attacked in fundamental democracy is institutions were attacked and he is now again part of a cover up of that fact and there's a cover up that can't succeed because we all know the facts most of them bob muller clearly knows more and he's letting us know what he knows and bits says these indictments come out but the congress knows the republicans in the congress now and that's why we got the reaction we did yesterday and today from the republicans condemning him for in essence covering up or attempting to cover up a russian attack on our democracy you know we have all people of all try to try to figure out why it is that the president simply doesn't accept what you've just said everybody knows and that he knows why do you think it is i mean not just from a pop psychology point of view but can you imagine any factual reason or psychological reason why he wouldn't well if i were to be kind and bend over backwards and tried to justify it in his mind it's because he doesn't want his election to be discredited in any way but it's much more than that he's clearly acting in the way that he thinks putin wants him to that and that raises very interesting questions is it just because he wants good relations with.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

05:26 min | 2 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"The ethnic cleansing the atrocities going on free and are actually could be said to be the first atrocities acts of genocide even of some genocidal totally exterminating definitely ethnically cleansing them on their committing crimes crazy driving people from their homes and because everyone said needed announce this ad want to be president turkey he said you know after we drive these guys out we're going to take the refugees and put them there well to the relocating all the scariest ones families of the isis guys the families of various jihadis people like that in the homes of the kurds that they just drove out and that's why europe's letting them get away with it yet you know take the immigrants put him because this is going to basically they want to turn that into a big refugee internment camp essentially they won't come to europe so you're which is already paying for directly resettled refugees and also supplying them web of the said yeah okay do do doing doing is there a resource where people wanted find i mean you know people can read on the story gets new york review of books maybe i don't know three or four weeks ago but is there other any other the best news sources called the region dot org i'm sorry say that when we're time it's called the region dot or the region plug it's largely kurdish writers on but others as well sort of it's a sort of a left wing perspective on events in the middle east but not from a strictly through classic antiimperialist i mean i'm gonna tribunal obviously but but we're anti pills become a code word for we're for anybody that the us seems to be against right so a lot of the left wingers that you'll see like vulgar attacking us on for a todd i don't care if he's bashes do murders rapes tortures people and is there any other any other like major reporting or documents or documentary that people can see about a lot of stuff like that there's a lot of really good videos especially on the venice movement women the fighters i mean i can't remember any tunnels off and google you'll find lots of stuff all right we'll do david graeber thank you so much for all this time today i really appreciate it and a pleasure talking to you thanks for having there it is i no it's a it's a quickie folks but interesting stuff that you just don't hear really anywhere michael now you've been published in the region it's a it's a really it is a really good site and have been published there but he's i liked the he described perfectly it it's a left solidarity instead of just you know one dimensional anti us perspective and really sophisticated it's a really good site can we just talk briefly about this story that and then we'll go to the fun half the story in the washington post about how how vicious people are being to the the trump here it is it's viciousness in quits like the can you put this up on the screen matt viciousness there's never any subtlety these stories well it's a quote so it someone else i understand i understand but these appears you're writing trump aids endure public fury towards the president's policy but but the first thing you should know by its viciousness one of those vicious viciousness things that they mentioned in there this graph most of the interactions that trump's wellknown aids have a strangers amount to nothing more than posing for selfies so in other words actually they get treated like celebrities what is it visors also found themselves subjected to string of embarrassing public spankings litany that even began that began even before he took office oh my god what horror what horror we going to be talking about before vice president pence swearing in omaha god more vice president pence incidentally he was hated in indiana like his approval rating was actually lower than i think trump's is now nationally oh significantly so trump's up in the forties i think he was like twenty he he may have been like high thirties but low forties but pretty sure it was lower than than trump's before vice president prentiss swearing in his neighbors in chevy chase where he was renting a house oh god i almost don't even read what happens next this is so vicious they hung rainbow banners it's pretty vicious to protest his opposition to equal rights for gay men and lesbians full on rainbow banners on their house oh my god that's a real well it's a real spanking no horror more right and then when pence went.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

05:34 min | 2 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"A little bit of sound this was really this is disturbing anything yeah it's super disturbing i mean look you know we play clips of kids occasionally at rallies and oh it's cute and you know though this kid i i i saw clip recently where the the reporter at the rally asked like a like a seven year old kid like why are you here that the immigration rally that was i guess june twentieth i dunno week or two ago whatever it was maybe last weekend and why are you here in the kid said because i feel bad if i was separated from my mom i'd be upset and we shouldn't do that to kids and i feel like that's a concept that the kid you know understood you know you always feel a little awkward about kids at these rallies here's one that's gonna make you feel not just a little awkward it's gonna make you feel super nauseous this is an eleven and a ten year old kid or two kids there at a montana rally last week when when trump came in right and they're out there with the maga hats on maga shirts and listen to what their parents are teaching them what are the issues that are most important to you that donald trump has brought up this i want eagle immigrants and why is that important to you can't leeann have enough people in the next you can hear over eating quickey cute kids right aren't they just precious and you here i think you here i don't know i hear laughter in the background and it sounds to me like maybe it's like their parents like oh my god look at the kids it's so cute how their parenting are racist tropes that's what it sounded like to me unbelievable really unbelievable i mean totally believable right right i mean completely and totally but this is you know this is how this stuff grows some kids they're feeling very insecure about their about their economic situation but it's in montana so screw they'll do respect really good luck guys see if they're we hopefully by the time they're old enough we won't let them out of montana we'll keep that we'll be concerned about the reservations and other people in montana well well at the lorne buddy at the border so we're we're working towards the goal is a borderless world except in states voted for trump twice if they want their terrorists there maybe we come up with the controversy maybe we come up with a compromise compromise montana's beautiful though i don't wanna give they got there's a lot of public land to set up a webcam look where are you just have you know there's there's other options for to deal with these people so he's really isn't believable places they don't bother you i tell look a couple of weeks ago maybe there's about a month ago i interviewed david graber on his book about bs jobs and well i had him on the phone was a pre interview i think our pretape i should say i wanted to ask him about row have row have is a an area i it's in syria proper is that right michael and they're just as it's not the same group of kurds but just as the kurds in iraq had basically carved out a a semi autonomous region iraqi different politics but do you ever politics but but a similar dynamic i mean you have a there's a lot of kurds in that region of the world and they have attempted in in at least a several different ways to establish save havens for themselves and row have is one of them and that's in the north east of syria essentially and so they have their politics are pretty unique right i mean they have established a socialistic very progressive semiautonomous state of sorts in that region and graber i think has visited there and you act he had just gotten back i think a week earlier from the time that we did this interview so i asked him about it it's about twelve minutes long that's what we're doing today for the free show we're gonna take quick break when we come back this clip of an interview i did with david graeber specifically in this instance talking about rihanna.

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"david graeber" Discussed on WRIR.org 97.3FM

WRIR.org 97.3FM

01:58 min | 2 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on WRIR.org 97.3FM

"Well to send your work in pieces every night hour span but so is the end of the day david graeber is it really simply about a lack of imagination and maybe some kind of calvinism impulse that we have the vestiges of it i don't know but you could imagine a really wonderful society in which people you know maybe they're making bad pottery but they'd have a lot more time on the hands that have spent a lot more time with their kids you know and you have a social life and there'd be no sense of guilt that you have to work and basically have to waste you life pretending to work which is even i think more soul destroying i think for the last twenty five thirty years there's been a kind of a war on the human imagination i think that there's been this incessant drumbeat that like nothing is gonna change we figured it all this is the best it's gonna get you know this sort of free market like financial is version of capitalism we now have is the only economic system that's ever gonna work give up on your dreams of anything you ever being different and and as a result you know once we face unprecedented problems we just lack the ability to think big and and thus the dreams that our ancestors had our grandparents or great parents parents you know they hoped their grandchildren are gonna be working in an age where we could all work ten out fifty an hour weeks we could do that but now we just lack the imagination to actually realize any of those things one point i always make they say okay the current system the sort of free market system it might be pro pro you know create problems with my create inequality might make people work too hard or feel they work too hard but it's efficient everybody says that it's it's the most efficient economic system ever created anything else it'd be bad in comparison.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

02:27 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"If the there was mike in this office during that interview who get into a lot of trouble but it'd be very fun content as actually usually case if you released the office conversations this show a monster it's not true it's very boring inconsequential nothing said here okay sure if there's ever accidentally like a high line the line i don't even talk when the show's not only talk well that's true no brennan goes brennan just like here are your chats sir no and if anything comes out as i always say i've been hacked it's voice reproduction voice reproduction technology at all times russia russia russia russia russia russia okay folks we're going to the fun half to come a member of the majority of poor today majority fem slash become a member that's how this show happens checkout the anti fatah when is one of the new show drop this week we usually release it on wednesdays tasha leonard yes okay and and there's and there's bonus content right yeah we've done one of bonus for patrons called real tankeea hours where we dig into the horrifying debts of the dumb dumb left internet and find out left him michael brooks love it that phrase is really had more lasting power episode was on maoist and sells right he's he's he's like a marxist in the future how now much leninism and elliot rodgers manifesto it's horrifying the truly horrifying i think actually in i don't know you guys know way more about stuff than i do but i believe that sean actually sent me this a couple of months ago and i actually got through about a third of it for i was like i don't want to see this i don't wanna know that this exists we got through the whole thing and i was very tired because it was like midnight at this point in time and we had just recorded another episode but we we were in it to win it we just respect and now i feel a whole new level of dread you're crushing bro.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

02:06 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"Near those good jobs but what are good about the jobs you know if your wanna be in journalism if you wanna be an art if you wanna be in charity or you know anything which isn't just for the money then you have to live on unpaid internship in a big city three years even after he loved the right college so basically you know they won't pay you it first so if you don't come from the right background is this no way you're gonna break in but those are the jobs which are essentially where you get will paid to do something creative and useful right so this is a good jobs right really good jobs you know we are frozen out and that's why it goes along with the support the troops concept it doesn't which seems weird why we hate the liberal lead of support the troops almost always goes together what kind of makes sense in this case because you know if you are come from working class background and you do want to actually get paid to do something which isn't just the money which is no noble maybe not creative but at least noble well what can you do you can join the arm okay so so so you have that you have this resentment of people who get paid well to do actually created interesting good jobs so what i realize is there's another side of it so you have the working class who resent these liberally group and then you have the bullshit job guts and the bullshit job guys resent the working class because at least vega to do something they get through something actually useful so there's a double resentment going am i noticed this like teachers or auto work i was gonna say like where to teachers fall in that scenario are actually deeply resented for doing something useful and people but it will say that teachers shouldn't get paid a lot because we don't want people just motivated by money teaching our students you know right yeah but isn't that i mean but but where does it because.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

01:59 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"So i mean most trump voters for example don't like a and of course a lot of these guys are pedagogues while i'm not rewarding glass but even was working class white palm right wing populace i mean why do they hate members of what they think of is the liberally hollywood people like that and you know like capitalist very much but it's not visceral is not what they really care about and i thought about this and i realized well to some degree it's common sense because if i'm a truck driver i'm a air conditioner repair guy you know am i have really smart kid i can imagine that could become rich i mean it's not likely right but it could happen i but there's no possible way that my kid is ever gonna be drama critic for the new york times or is ever gonna be an international human rights lawyer is ever going to be a hollywood script writer it's not gonna happen so in hollywood is you know this sort of art enemy these guys and it makes sense because you know fifty years ago will when you thought about hollywood the fantasy wasn't a place where anybody can go and be discover in iowa farm girl goes right big city stars born you know maybe it happened now and then the point is people thought it would have nowadays nobody any disease like that nowadays if you look at like almost any movie star genealogy going back three or four generations of people who are in the industry it's like an in marion cast but that's typical of what's going on in almost all those jobs and it's perceived us so it's not only the they think these guys think revenge bunch of knuckle dragon caveman which of course you know members of that group do think about working class that way but it's also that you know here these guys skip to the front of every line they've ever been on and now they claim to be these big leg you know lefty over the common people like hell they're you know they're they never let anybody in my family knee.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

01:52 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"In frankfurt him all the the big economic centers province are no longer so much coming from making things or selling things as they are coming from rented distraction from finance and as i always say finances just another word for other people's debts you know creating debts and exploiting them and large firms even firms that make cars relate bulbs are making their money largely from their financial divisions rather than dusko traditions so not making money from selling the cars they're making their money from lending in the money to buy the cars so insofar you have a fine financially driven economy than if not that different from extracting rants and then you're redistributing so the difference between politics and economics blurs and this is classically true feudalism where you really can't tell the difference between the two at all but it's very much true nowadays because you're the girl of the government shift used to be government zeltser guarantee your property rights your capitalist and then he go off you make your money based on that but now the government's actually directly involved in extracting profits is i'm trying to trick people into debt or get people into a situation wreck extract money from metal down through the legal system so so the government's directly entailed but even so so so you know lobbyists write the regulations regulate banks and languages government which advances is entirely unclear so okay see that situation but in that situation if you have a huge pot of money in your distributing it you're extracting things and then redistributing money again and the difference in politics economics is blurring well no the logic shift so under classic capitalism you don't wanna employ too many people because you wanna make profits but now.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"Short the fruit yes roll it into the bin the computer does arrest if you on the other hand for the civil mont syllabuses you know it's hours and hours and hours of work wouldn't have had to do otherwise turning it into dental formats so that you can feed it into the computer which probably can't really do it anyway anyway starting is boring but comparing solis is interesting i mean students like to do that why should you computerise this is just an example to show what i think is a more general principle which is that digitisation as opposite effects on anything having to do creating benefactors or creating products commodities and creating an what i call carrying labor and i'm defining carrying labor really broadly as not just taking care of people but anything where you're working on other people in such a way as to nurture sustain help them growing expand so anything from health education social services anything like anything qualitative dimension if you try to turn it that qualitative activity into a form that a computer can recognize and two quantitative form enormous amounts of human labour are involved that you wouldn't have to do otherwise now as a result if you digitize computerize manufacturers it makes it much more productive and in fact you get what they call technological deflation ultimately things cost less because you're doing more of this okay on the other hand if you try to digitize anything having to do carrying labor it has the opposite effect that is to say you have it becomes less productive he's the person who would otherwise be nursing is instead filling out forms about their nursing the person who would otherwise be teaching you know trying to create lesson plans in the format computer can compare to something else don't even talk about what happens me all right of so as a result that causes inflation and that's exactly what we.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

02:01 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"Percent of your time crunching the data while there's no way that the information you get will beat make you more efficient is absurd i mean there's i have all this data and i suppose it would be good or interesting to know but if the agenda is like grow my show or make more money from the show i'm not convinced that that would would help maybe some of it would i don't know but but but there that seems to be a relatively new phenomena like how data rich we have become maybe maybe goes back to like macnamara i don't know maybe it it grew at that time out of those four guys but how how recent phenomena is this notion of jobs that are just there and then we'll talk about why they're there okay that's very interesting question has to do the growth of bureaucracy in general and roxie as as info tweeting every aspect of our lives it's something i've heard about my last book utopia rules a little bit but in terms of the jobs it's very hard to get good metrics because they usually break it down into the other farming gobs dos real jobs in their service jobs and obviously you know farming collapsed industrial was gone down although not as much as they say and and services skyrocket but but service is a very big term and it's very deceptive because you know if you say service economy think you're though people are washing each other's clothes or serving others coffee and that's basically what we're doing ourselves it's actually not true if you look at actual services in the sense of cutting hair serving food it's people working in service have remained pretty much constant at twenty percent of the workforce for about one hundred years there's no change really what hat what has changed is clerical administrative and supervisory and that.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

01:49 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"The software or are you suggesting that they should just been hired to develop and integrate them simultaneously xactly that's what the guy was suggesting the only reason that these things don't that together is because they insist on letting making we'll do it for free because they don't wanna pay to develop it they'll just pay you to make it integrate exactly so the duct tape is is would be anybody who's their system is badly designed rather than fix it they simply hired someone to deal with the damage and you know it will be the equivalent of lego look there's a there's a leak in the roof nah i don't wanna recycle the rooms i'll put a bucket there hire someone empty the water every hour and so okay so that's the duct tape is the well i mean what other class goons you're able to say like okay corporate lawyers and you know hosts of people like that who try and get you do as advertising i wouldn't've actually made up this category myself but i asked people to send an example there must pointless forms of employments and a lot of people wrote in who are like telemarketers pr guys so you got you know obviously they're serving function for their employer corporate lawyers often too so i had to figure out why do these people think they're bullshit and i realize it's like because they feel it socially unnecessary or even socially harmful and let but in terms of duct tape what what what what jobs would be out there that we would no i mean you know guys who sit taking calls the schedule the carpenter but what other sort of class of stuff is like dispatchers at large i mean i got a lot of people whose jobs were essentially clean up their bosses messed.

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

01:36 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"Yeah i mean you could just work things out you know you each state your case there places where that still donna brazile with the way things were done before the rise of this sort of massive law legal industry that we have today you know you come in you may state your case other people state their case or certain tradition of precedent the judge might decide not there's lots of ways to do things without having all this legal mumbo jumbo briefs and and legal aids armies of paralegals and so forth and so on okay so we have five arc types of the goons are one of them tell us about the duct tape is now yes that the term kinda comes out of the software industry adopted from someone who was talking about free where he said it was very interesting that there's two types of jobs in software one is becoming extinct one of them is the fun part where you're actually creating new types of applications now that's interesting and creative work so as in so many things nowadays corporations feel if there's anything people would do for any reason other than the money they shouldn't have to pay them or they should have to pay them as little as possible in this case don't pay them at all most of that stuff is everywhere so however there's second job is duct taping because often you people create software but they don't figure out how they're gonna work together they have all these glitches and problems.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

02:42 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"What a surprise and trump trump's lawyer was paid by ukraine to arrange white house talks michael kohn very active in his llc business and special counsel is setting in motion the sentencing process for george popadopoulos from model un to state penn all that and much much more on today's majority report let's start with this we know by the way we're all here except of course for sam sam who's like michael's damn bahia but i do afford gate workweek and it's by mitzvah sue i need to days off do you see makes total sets we talked about yesterday how the nfl have introduced new restrictions basically on players right to free speech and democratic expression this has been a area of attack which really does matter it actually has national implications it's not a college protest and it's also been an attack on a group of people's rights to freely exercise their political concerns and speech that was spearheaded by the president of the united states here's a segment with fox and friends the brain trust of the white house and a brian kilmeade actually was able to share the news with trump himself who is in long island yesterday fearmongering in lying about something else and here's his breaking news answer some breaking news while you're in there the nfl has made a decision on something it means a lot to you a lot of other americans the nfl has owners have voted unanimously to approve a new national anthem rule that says if you're not gonna stay in stay in the locker room if you go to the field you have to stand if you have a protest your team's gonna get find this is the first time you hearing this which reaction was suppressed well i think that's good i don't think people should be staying in locker rooms but still i think it's good you have to stand proudly for the national anthem well you shouldn't be playing you shouldn't be there maybe you shouldn't be in the country you have to stand proudly for the national anthem and the nfl owners did the right thing of that's what they've done if that is the story do you feel like you push this story forward and you push this to a conclusion i think the people push the phone this was not me i brought it out i think the people pushing it forward.

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"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

02:01 min | 3 years ago

"david graeber" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"You are listening to a free berge of majority report with sam cedar to support this show and get another fifteen minutes daily program goodridge already dot s m please jarra de rapport with sam sita it's thursday may twenty four th two thousand eighteen my name is michael brooks on a michael and sam hybrid thursday on today's program david graber on bs jobs sam did this interview just a couple of days ago great look at our economy generates useless activity which was soulcrushing and unnecessary with david graeber then that a lot to get to including donald trump canceling his summit with kim jong un realizing he was being played by getting played by other people there's no fun flag when you win the nobel or no fun map only win the nobel prize new renner's up north korea says it's up to the us whether they meet at the table or in a nuclear showdown so that brief cup of weeks of nice news is fading the nfl owners have approved the new nationally anthem policy which literally suppresses free speech and the exercise of individuals in america to express their sentiments on one of the most vital issues in america in our present and history fifty three percent of americans say it's quote never appropriate to kneel during the anthem i would be on the other side of that poll question but i'm on the other side of this one as well jared kushner has gotten his security clearance back.

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