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55. Volume: David Cohen Uncut: Heart

Psychology of Entrepreneurship

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55. Volume: David Cohen Uncut: Heart

"Nefarious man like the brain works and fucked up. The mind is one of the most deceiving manipulative pieces of equipment. Flesh bodies on hers. I never have trusted my brain. You the decision maker by its rawnsley. This is your first volume welcome. This is a weekly series. Where i go inside. The mind of an entrepreneur artist athlete at the v scifo. What is the psychology of our decisions must trillion. And i'd like to start by the traditional custodians throughout australia and recognized continuing connection to land warriors and community. Ibm respects to them and their cultures and elders past present and emerging land. I'm standing on today. Extend my respects to the aboriginal and torres strait off the people who listen to this this week on the psychology of entrepreneurship. We're releasing our first full length interview. When i had the pleasure of diving inside the mind of ceo and founder of textiles david cole. I thought that that was going to be an insightful. I interview for you to hear what he actually had to say. Techstars is a worldwide network that helps entrepreneurs succeed so besides being experiencing creating multiple successful startups himself. David also has a fairly good idea of how business brain works and why some businesses fail compared to others. A lot of work goes on behind the scenes and using a volume of series. And although we try to provide you with little gems from each interview is really hard. Count them down. And there's a lot of incredible advice and stories unfortunately never gets released while until now today ladies and gentlemen prepare for david cohen uncaught. And when i say on caught. I mean uncut but i wanted to release this volume as i one because the world is kinda crazy right now and david's approach to entrepreneurship and leaving the world. A better place is something that i think. We all can learn a lot from right now while listening to this. I want you to think about why you're doing what you're doing. And why now is the perfect time to decide whether you're living your life according to your values and they are in alignment we you truly truly want to achieve anyway. I'll poss- this over the me me from the past. This is an audio documentary. So it's a bit different like in terms of how it turns out. It's like nothing we've ever done to anyone's ever done before. And it's on the psychology of entrepreneurship. Basically what happens in between the mine. And i know you guys are heavily involved in mental health with brat fell and all that kinda stuff With just so we can use for the tape right who you are and what you do. You know how people say like said. Hey i'm leon from amplify and whatever could could you give us that one line. So i could get it on tape. Sure i'm david cohen. I'm one of the founders of techstars. Which is the worldwide network that helps entrepreneurs succeed so this is a bit of an organic conversation We take that all in and then put it together in a quite an interesting way but when you see textiles growth and when you look back and ecomog oh did you expect it to be here at all. Did you have any sort of like because people go. You know What's my vision. What's my goal. Look at the next twenty. Years is that thing For us not at all and it's my second experience where had something that was quite successful in large that I had no expectation that it would get to that scale or or have that level of meaning And i think a lot of people fit you know the origin story to you know what they want you to hear from a marketing perspective My co-founder and my first business wrote a book called no vision drive We used to say that we thought we could get to a million revenue and maybe ten people and of course it was much bigger than that right so we had no expectation that an ambulance software dispatch company could be So large and i think the same is true for techstars when i started it. It was a fun thing to do in the summer. So i'd have time during the rest of the year to travel and have fun. And now you know i travel because the thing is all over the world but it was pulled. There was never a master plan to get there. Yeah but you experience in business building is quite remarkable with you. Know the new floating company i suppose. What was that like. Is that something that When you're going through for the first time with you kinda go. Can i do this. All is possible or was the outcome. Like how did that. How did that feel you know i. I've had one job interview owned my whole life right. I was like you a programmer My first job was just programming right. I i got that job because That's what i went to school to. Learn and i didn't really know who i was yet And i did that for a little bit. I realized i'm just called to start things right to be an entrepreneur to to create And so that's what i've been doing my whole life and for me it's it is fairly natural to Start a thing I view it as like art and programming is like our two right. it's it's creating something from nothing And seeing it come to life. And that's what. I love about entrepreneurship. Also so you know. I my mindset. Is i love doing that. I don't mind the risk of it. Because i asked myself. What's the worst thing that can happen. I could always go get a job. Somewhere right But do i know it's going to be successful to have extreme confidence. Absolutely not right. It's you just feel lucky that it's starting to work if it is and i've had failure to write experience entire companies that fail so That's part of the am. I want to get into failure because it seems to be Something that while we grew up we could never do and now. It's this thing that everyone saying. That should be part of our repertoire. Like everyone's suggesting it. I suppose after they failed and succeeded in feeling succeeded. I suppose and figuring out that it's basically how long you're in the game. You know like the longer you on the game the most successful habits oppose when you say start and creates and you mentioned art because it is art like i mean i wrote a thesis on software quality in the best part about that whole thing was software was so volatile. You touch it to. How do you measure quality based on that and i find that starting something is you can get in your head a lot. You can stop yourself. You can doubt yourself or you can over exaggerate as well like. There's all these different ways. What are you experience. I mean you've seen how many startups like how. What is your experience around that. Because i feel like it's of its ahead game when it comes to starting for sure i mean there's A big challenge starting a company right. I'm as an investor over two thousand companies In portfolio most of that with techstars. Some in my personal joe portfolio as well and you sort of feel like at that point. You've seen everything but then then you realize every day they actually haven't There's always something new. But i think this is one of the the biases that the techstars house about not funding companies that are founded by one person We really liked to found teams to fun teams that our founding company together and the reason is because almost by definition any individuals can hit a wall get frustrated. You don't have a support system for that you're in trouble right and especially in the context of an accelerator which can be a high pressure environment for three months And so we we more or less filter it out Have someone that's just by themselves for that very reason and you know you you need someone that when you're up you know they're down and vice versa right and you can literally hit the wall and i can remember being angry and literally hitting a wall right. The other person says we're going to be okay. We'll figure this out right. And yeah that support. So i think that's really key when you said that spoke was hitting the wall What was that what happened. You might say sherry. I remember in in the first company I remember in the first company that i started You know losing a prospect that we thought was going to change everything and you know. This was bootstrap company We never raised any money from anyone other than our customer so does unique today but You know we had a prospect that we didn't get and we spent a lot of time and energy on it and the bank account was near zero ameri stressing about whether we could buy a printer or not for the office. I mean it was that you know sort of situation in frustration. And i remember going into a stairwell in the building that we're in and hurting my hand Because i hit the wall and it's a metaphor but you know i. I'm not a person that you would normally expect with a hit a wall or expressed frustration that way And i remember david. Brown co founder. Coming what am i. Co founders in that company coming into the stairwell and saying dude you know like it's okay And i was like screw this i. Let's quit never gonna work right. We're killing ourselves here in and anywhere. And he brought me back up. And i can't remember doing similar things for him but you know hurt behind that day. And that's why i remember it yeah. I'm glad i'm glad recalled that story. Because i feel like once we're on the other side. Everyone conner looks at us and almost contra late for some reason. And i don't know why that is an anonymous. I'm seeing us. I'm i'm my entrepreneur. Janis fairly young to But when you look back. I mean everyone could list your successes and look look at all the stuff that you've done but when you look back when david expect and goes oh my god i've like this is the kind of impact because you just don't about the Ambulance software all over queensland of impact globally. That making any kind of not only that leave. Leave what i'm saying. Leave my bosses all of this. I suppose what you look back and go. Fees on my highlights. Well it's a great question. Because i i probably like most people don't don't do that enough own. Reflect on that enough. I would say talk about. Ambulance dispatch company Which is now part of much larger conglomerate that was bought by somebody that bought it and etc. But it's still going It's probably you know four or five hundred employees. So so there's the there's the employee thing like you feel like you're creating opportunity for people And when you look at the techstars portfolio right. I mean that's tens of thousands of jobs probably more And that feels good right that that. Yeah of course those people be working somewhere else. But they're working on a thing. That feels interesting and innovative. So that's a nice thing to look back on i would say You know with the ambulance dispatch software specifically last time. I looked there. Were twenty million ambulance. Dispatches that had gone out on that software that's a lot of people that you're hoping Probably a few that you didn't help Softwares never perfect. But you know you think about those people are in a moment of distress and you have software that can get an ambulance there quicker right with the right equipment and stuff like that still running in the world and i go to places i still see that software even though it looks old to me twenty years later so it's those lasting things. I mean as a software engineer. You know that the the best thing is when somebody's using your stuff right like that's why we do it. And then i guess the other thing i would say I would have some some pride on is what i would call kind of the meta impact of mentorship and encouraging of entrepreneurs to give back to the next one An organizing kinda mentorship activity where you have people that maybe we're successful that Could be sitting on the odd somewhere but they're investing in startups and giving back to the startup community and that that is a very powerful long-term dynamic too. So i get i get some pride about those things have plenty of things. I screwed up along the way to and could have done a lot better and had a lot more impact But hopefully those are things that that i can sit in a rocking chair and think about You mentioned all the stuff that you've created create mall. I mean family friends. We would not be here if not for friends. You sitting across from each other and friends at extremely highly of you Not not because you've done all the stuff because of the person you are. Don't talk to that Will obviously people have false impressions. A- Maybe the person in common you're talking about philip mckernan His is a great friend of thank and I've only known him for a short time. A couple of years And get to spend some time together. with families and all of that As become a nice friendship. But i think You know that that's the stuff of life right. It's it's relationships and You know hill opened doors for me. You right i'll do the same for my friends and I think there are people that that we believe. Have the same values in motivations which is actually genuinely help people And i think that's who. I try to surround myself with is people that think about we call a give i in. How can i be helpful. i don't i don't need anything in return but i know that magically the can give me good stuff back to. I have no idea what it's going to be where it's gonna come from who it's gonna come from and it's not at all transactional but I find that when you think about relationships that way it's incredibly powerful for the long term Things come back to you and completely unexpected ways. I agree with you. I mean my wife always tells me how lucky i am like people come in a market like this. Is the most craziest one. That's happened to me like someone came to us in the mock and gave me a watermelon and said this is my last watermelon. I've got to go home. But i think you should have it and rachelle just looked at me going back. I've seen everything now right But is it something that happens to us that makes us believe that. What like 'cause you also meet the other side. You also meet the other other people when you go to the networking events or even mentorship. I mean you mentioned mentorship which is means a lot to you. See the other side and What what is it. How does someone think differently or is it is it just because they are different experiences. They've had or what makes them think like that. Yeah i mean. I i always try hard not to sort of have judgement about how people think. Because it's what you said right they. They grew up with the different bias. They have a different set of experiences. You know we all have biases. We ought experiences Adam grants book. Of course give and take on. This topic is An awesome read if you haven't checked that out but you know some people are balanced view as transactions like. I'll do that for you if you do this for me. or if you pay me whatever Other people are takers right and they just gonna take take take And it's it's hard for givers right to recognize that that's what happens happens with take so I think that People who naturally think about helping others are just my people and i try to surround myself with people like i don't think the other people are bad I i think they just have a different way of going about life and I don't think it's as powerful. I could be wrong. But i don't think i am And you know last thing. I'll say i love your wife says that you're really lucky Probably she says to be married to her as incredibly lucky for you right. It's funny you say all that because the work workum dealing with philip is Recognizing mild self worth which is insane and he say all dot com and stuff and In fact the last time we did some work together the thing that came up was i can't believe my wife married and me like she could have married anyone on the planet. I and i said i said that ratio is like like i could i. Could you could have married anyone on the planet. Like i don't understand why you're with me and she's like because i could have married anyone on the planet. That's why i'm with you house like. Oh my god that's such a cool state. That's a quote right there. It's a line just trying to pick you up. A really is a good one to refer that mind others. Philip mentioned in passing. And i don't know how much you can talk about this but one last thought up seemed to be something that resonated with you with one last talk and I experienced my first one lostock in kabul by the way Let's look what that experience i. Yeah one less talked. I went to the one in boulder. I don't know six months or a year ago and it was on a weekend. And i had no idea what expect You know just just you. You gotta come to this thing and someday you'll be onstage doing this So well i'm an introvert. I don't. I don't know if i'll ever do that But i came. And i you know just just crying like you know. I've never spent the entire day. Just basically crying right So emotional and that'll turn a lot of people off from the event but basically people are standing up saying the one last thing whatever say to the world right even though they're not you know it's not the last thing they're pretending that it would be and what would they want to convey to the world and the stories are so incredibly powerful right People that have gotten out of long term jail sentence talking about you know when thing happened that put them in jail and how they feel about it today and their journey People talking about abuse ride and they were abused. Maybe as a child in some way and god is just such an emotional thing. And it's a construct that i love the first time i saw it which is just a mental model of you know. This is the last time you'll be able to say something world. What you wanna say it's meaningful and i immediately thought of the startups at work with and i thought of started weekend which we run a thousand times a year and one hundred twenty countries and i said you know there's one hundred thousand entrepeneurship go into these things like what if we inspire them and said what if this was your one less startup right of just wrapping on it after that event and know sorta naturally clip for both of us at that's powerful because people go and build you know really nice companies that make you know add units one percent more efficient And drive some. You know cool efficiency into you. Know and it's it's maybe worth a lot But is it the last thing you'd ever do as art back to what we talked about earlier start startups are art. And if you only got one left in you and you have that mindset. What would you do next. And if we can get the entrepreneur thinking about that at the inception of their company that can be powerful for sort of doing it in the world and having actual impact rather than no fence. The people working on ad units. But it's not changing lives or making the world a better place. Statistics show that twenty six percent of entrepreneurs say their biggest motivation to start their own business was to be there in boss pursuing that passion coming close behind with twenty three percent of those surveyed saying that this is the reason that they decided to become an entrepreneur since we saw the speak which hasn't been long but this recurring theme of you wind to help the world. And whether the whether it's i don't think it's a statement you made per se but it's the things you say and the things that mean a lot to you do you know why I just think it's innate and people. Right i mean you wanna lick. We're we're all here for a short period of time Different people believe different things. You know i. I believe short period of time. And that's it and so you do something good with your time here But it's back to human relationships right if if you can leave the world a little bit better than you found it That sort of all you can ask of anyone right And i think when when people say why did you create techstars. What i what you usually say as you know. Because i believe that entrepreneurs make the world a better place. I believe that innovations make the world a better place. And you know we don't find things that don't do that fundamentally if there's you know we we've stayed away from you know obviously things like pornography or things like even cannabis right which is not legal on you know everywhere. We just decide that. We'd rather put our money in our energy and the things that are are clearly helpful to the world And so to me. It's just an eight. It's it's sort of how i think as human And it's not an attempt to create legacy or anything like that. It's just you know. Want to be able to point to something and say that thing is doing good and look. There's giving back to the foundation. That's doing this other good and there's network effects around huge believer in networks for good generally We were talking about one last thought up in and when you mentioned when people start stuff it seems like this thought stuff for the wrong reasons in no better person to ask than someone loves to start stuff stuff and has helped thousands and hundreds of thousands of people thought stuff what is happening. What is happening as the mentor ship. That's that's that's failing us as a collective is that the the social media The hustle porn is becoming like. What is this all these things right. What do you reckon like how how we. How do we know think that you know like let me do something. That's gonna change the world what stops us. What's makes us place mall as well. I mean the thing. I see over and over again Ineffectively being part of the founding story of of thousands of companies Is the thinking about you. Know why they're doing. It is often not front center early on. And you know simonsen ack Start with why huge proponent of that pretty much the first meeting ever have with any entrepreneurs like tell me why you're doing this and not something else And if i see something in their background that feels like it's obviously suited to something else. I just say why aren't you doing something in music. Seems like you love music. And it's love right. It's like with a thing you actually care about Is entrepreneurship is really hard. And most people are going to fail. and you might as well feel doing something that you actually care about and you know have a vision for change in the world regarding that thing so i think what people do is they get out their spreadsheets and you know they read about the venture capital and you know one. Hundred million dollar fundraise and they. They view that as success Works in the news today. Right at it hasn't led the necessarily success for all those employees And that happens a lot right at. It's sort of coveting the wrong things. And so the thing. I always push on hard is why this. Why were you put on this earth to do this thing I love the ad of what. If it's the last thing you could ever do. Does people say why wanna do that later. No do that now because g love you know. None of the companies. I ever started. Were started to create wealth. They were started to have a funding to work on that it was actually excited about doing To create product. Maybe the chance of that but not front center. So i would say that the people who are starting with the spreadsheet and saying. I'm doing this because it's a great business Have a very high chance of failure and have lots of learned. That's so interesting you say that because Like on the oddest dry and the creatives. And whenever someone. I tried to explain our not now with initially when i was getting off the ground and fuss few business was like. Do you have a business plan. And here's the kiko first. Business failed with a four hundred and seventy thousand dollars in debt often had an nba. I mean just to your point about tina. The spreadsheets don't work I think that. I wonder whether we have to go through that to understand that that is not the path. Defeat that really some people. Do i feel like. I got lucky. In the the first thing i worked on was in. Ambulance dispatch software. I you know what i told you. The story early one job interview in my life. That was the job i got was working for. An ambulance dispatch company building software. And i said yeah we can do this better right and created a service to do better and you know. It's pretty easy to get motivated about getting an ambulance to pick somebody up when they're hurt right. So i had this natural like intrinsic motivation. That i didn't need to create for myself. I was thinking about the person laying there with a broken leg. Right when i was creating the software and that is a nice natural motivator. Is that the business. I would start today given you know what i know about myself. Probably not but it was lucky in the sense that it had that built in motivation. Had that been the unit company and someone had pitched me on how much money we could make doing this. I think it would be a special form of torture. Because i don't know anything care at all about that. I don't wanna make that better And you know to spend my time and my energy doing that. I you know would have just been done and it would have been. Something didn't work i i. It's too hard. You're going to quit so a lot of people will need to figure out about themselves. A lot of people might get lucky and have some built in motivation. That feels like they wanna put their life into so you're lucky to oh my god. It's almost exclusively luck. I mean any entrepreneur. You talk to you that that any measure of success doesn't say that is full of crap You know we build a software company that we sold in nineteen ninety nine. It wasn't an internet based company but the world is changing and nineteen ninety nine Had we try to sell it a year later. It wouldn't have been as good of an outcome right you know i'm incredibly lucky to have the co founders. That have had right in my life. And i think it's been in yang with people like david brown who i've learned a ton from but you know sort of completed my skill set right and just to meet him so early in my career To be able to meet people brad. Feld ride jason mendelson. People have found your group that help textures off the ground. I mean there's there's just no way if it wasn't right place right time and so a one of the things i think about with techstars is as i can sort of make that happen for some other people now and to me. It's in a way amplifying. The gift i i got those people My dad's another one was also an entrepreneur. You know the they helped me be successful. They help me be in the right place right time and gave me a lot of luck. i can give that back to ten thousand people year. That's pretty cool right that that is pretty impressive and and pretty cool new mentioned it that and one of the things that have been talking a lot about is my dad over the last few days especially and thing that comes to mind is he would always repeat this riot. He would always say ron raunchy. Don't ever forget the platform you've been given and what he meant by that was don't forget all the people that have worked to give you the platform for what you think is starting from scratch like don't forget all your grandparents you parents and all those people did to give you this position right. Don't forget that someone takes the garbage. Don't forget that you know. Someone installed the air conditioning. That can change the temperature of the room that you don't forget all the other things that are going on and i love that you mentioned that because the comes back to the support system ride like the pool of the people around you that telling you stuff that allow you suppose a different perspective. Would you agree. Yeah i mean look none of us would be where we are without the people that came before and hopefully we're lucky enough to have learned something from them directly but you know grandparents We most of us never had the chance to learn directly from them. So we're getting at hand down but it it parallels to me back to the software thing and swath of softwares. Sit down and write code like gino. How much code is underneath that code. You're writing raise the thermostat in the room that you mentioned right the infrastructure that's been placed by people and you know we're adding layers to that right When i think about you know my investing today i'm a big infrastructure investor because i think that's something that people build on top of like you build a house on a foundation right And the foundation. That were all given by ancestors. Family people around us to support us There's literally no way you could do it without that. So that's a part of the luck to that. We talked about earlier. But also i think it's the movement is the more we move the more we take action the morlock recreate and i think that has got a huge part to play in. How lucky quote unquote are. We are i. Don't remember what the the old saying is but it you know sort of like put yourself in a good position to get lucky right You know if you're not if you're not skating where the puck's gonna be if you're not you know getting under the getting in front of the goal before the person she not going to get the rebound rate and You know if you're sitting there watching the game and not in it. You're probably not going to get lucky. So hustle does have something to do with it But i think they're reality. I mean when you when you really introspective. You know there is privilege in the world and and you know Have benefited from that and many others have been successful benefited from that. And i think you have to recognize that and part of what you try to do is change out for other people That's what we do with our foundation. Right which is focused on diversity inclusion intact A lot of people just have never met a venture capitalist have never had the chance to pitch front of an angel investor. Don't even really know what that means. Don't have any of those people around them right. Come from completely different. Set of circumstances but talent is equally distributed in the world. Opportunity is not so part of this. How do we change that right because that can lead to so much more so many more people so yeah i think a lot of us will say yeah. We got lucky. But there's a lot of people say. I didn't get lucky but i wanna change the world to and think we need to think about as well Out with this. Audio documentary has always been to build a strong community of entrepreneurs and creatives to provide a space where they can use their voice to shed their authenticity with the world as a valued. Listen on your voice matters to. We love to hear your feedback ideas that i'd be shy. Let us know how doing in the ratings and comments if you have a message for our production team on someone who would be a perfect bit as guest. You can find out more information on how to share your employees at psychology of entrepreneurship dot com. Every minute spent with you makes me feel things Which is awesome already married so you are too i am too. I'm sorry You mentioned art. And he mentioned a lot. It seems like the biggest struggle for artists. In whatever way whether it's writing code or producing amazing dish to put on the table creating a new business. The struggle seems to be that oddest. Don't like to sell the art because it selling their soul and the flip side of that is the business people who don't wanna be in any way because there's no. Roi what they're doing. I'm gonna do the surface no. Roi right how much does that. Stop us i mean. What are your thoughts on that. Because it seems like it's a recurring thing. Yeah i mean. I i think if you're being stopped by there's no roi you're doing it wrong That's what i meant by my spreadsheet comment. i think starting startups from the spreadsheet is totally the wrong way to go. I think has a start from the heart. And what you're actually care about Because that'll that'll motivate you through the hard times so you know when when people say I don't. I don't wanna do that because i don't know how i'd ever make any money doing the i. You'll figure that out right. I've had enough experiences. Where i mean a great example right. There was no really no growth model. No no real business. Model the speak of and enjoy investing. It's usually not gonna work right But when you scale it. You have opportunities like working with large corporations to power their innovation systems to raising venture funds. You know look. I had a mentor. once that Getting built warner who's a fantastic entrepreneur investor in in boston something. I'll never forget us in the dinner with me. And he said you know david there's the center flow and there's the co flow and the center flow. Is the thing that you love and you care about and you can never stopped pushing on it. You can never stop making progress on the center flow the co flows merge right and that's where the businesses. You just do the thing that you love. You do the best job you can add it. And things will emerge around at that are opportunities that come from the fact that you're focused on the center flow and if you lose sight of the center flow and you go off and you say. I don't care about helping entrepreneurs succeed anymore. Whatever your passion is and you just say while there's opportunity to go over here to this corporate animation thing or this venture thing you give up on the center flow the rest of app rates. That's to me. The art part is just focused on the thing that you actually care about. Opportunities will emerge all around it. Don't worry they'll come if you're excellent at that center flow and never lose sight of it And i found that that was true. Even with programming. That's probably true with you. Know things like podcasting right or having a media site that people say well. That's not a skill business is. I don't care love it. And i guarantee you things lamarche around it if you love in and off. Yeah i couldn't agree more but what you kind of just rolled over on was the origin of textiles and win. You've kinda started it without actually having the roi model in mind. And i wonder how much how many people know that an email from the sense of you started from a place of heart. How can you explain that what happened and do you remember the moments where you thought. It wouldn't do what it was going to do a win. And then the moments that had exceeded expectations. Yeah i'm certainly true that when we started techstars we had no expectation than it would be a global organization you know with portfolio thousands of companies. Right we really. It was me and the very early days. Because i was the only one that was active. It just sounded like a fun thing to do We thought you know what's the worst thing can happen. And we can fund. Ten startups in boulder will make some new friends. We might lose all that money. That's okay right. It was a small amount of money time and it would be really fun and we learn a lot and we'd make some friends and that that's sort of like okay. That's if that's the worst case let's do it and by the way you know you can Maybe attract some cool stuff to boulder and have some fun technologies playoff. So you know the idea that that that should ever scale was not even something that we thought about. It was literally a boulder thing you know ten companies year and we got poll so what surprised me was the paul Communities instantly in the first year to started calling us saying you know. Can you bring this here. Why did you think that did that. I mean there's only other venture funds being started. Why do you think they did that. i to this day. Believe that it's hashtag. Give i i. I think that cultural value Is something that resonated with people from day one so even when you know y combinator picked up stakes and left boston. Go warner i mentioned earlier and many others you know called and said there's something that you're doing that feels different than what they're doing and at and we love our common. Here's competitive ours. But they do an awesome job. But it's just different right it's you know i feel like we're perhaps there's a factory or some machinery there in versus has that feeling of family and liked. I'm gonna. I'm gonna help you and you're going to help others. And that dynamic is what people felt. We were engaging the community not saying. Hey i'm the guru. I'm david cohen. And i know everything and i teach you how to be incredibly successful as stara. That wasn't the vibe. The vibe was. I'm just here to connect the dots one hundred and fifty successful mentors giving i asking for nothing It was suggested early on that they get equity in the now in one equity. We just want to be helpful okay. That's that's cool. So people felt that in seattle people fell down in boston and we got pulled. I think for that culture And people are able to actually engage in it and be a part of that and feel like it was a thing they were doing. They were creating because you know near a successful entrepreneur. You've done well and you know you could be sitting on your yacht hanging out all day long. Yeah you know what's really cool as you feel like you're you're giving back in a way that's organized and that has impact and you're doing it with peers right so it was just a model that at that time the word accelerator didn't exist Brad feld actually coined that word for this for this purpose startup accelerator and you know people were calling it an incubator. It's just like a lot of other things but it it wasn't right it was. We were investing the money. Sure but much much more importantly we were investing the social relationships of social capital the mentorship that is ninety nine percent of the value. I think people saw that as different that value the value of give you. Did he speak about and win. How you talk about having that pool because of that value to member in the iliad days when if if at all there was it was hard to stick to the values that you built the company on it's always hard To specific things jump immediately to mind when you asked that question I'm going to protect innocent. It was it was a person in the organization that was very high performing And truly great person A lot of upside lot of potential and this person's doing great today awesome right but it wasn't cultural fit and i don't like the cultural fit. I usually cultural ad but because of that value right and that that is something that you can't compromise on it's not real and so the real test is are you. Are you prepared to fire someone that doesn't live that value who's very high performer. And i did that Early on and it was hard because you just like manam. There's a superstar here that i'm you know ejecting from the organization from the system And it doesn't feel right somehow but you know there's value has to be more important and you know it was causing all kinds of stress that at the in the in the moment you weren't recognizing and would have been you know total disaster long term. So that's how you live it. It's who you hire but more importantly who you fire And i think the other thing that comes to mind is the corporate innovation work. That we do so for this. I don't know today. We work with major corporations like amazon barclays bank and ford and many others to power accelerators for them and you know that was a co flow that emerged from our focus on helping entrepreneur succeed. So we're very clear here that our customers the entrepreneur right but we have partners there these large corporations and they don't all act in a give i way toward startups so we had to get clear that that was our value Then we're going to help our startups. Protect them to make sure that they weren't harmed by people who didn't think that way and we've had to say no to a lot of corporate partners just didn't didn't have the mindset of actually helping the entrepreneur succeed. It was how could i take advantage of it and leverage it for our corporation. And that's okay if the way you want to do that is by helping entrepreneurs succeed. It doesn't mean that you have to live our value of gift. I but it means we have to be aligned on what we're trying to accomplish and so we had a couple of missteps there and you know had to get clear on that and it's cost us business but the values set out in your company as an entrepreneur have to be sacred arauz. Don't mean anything and so living them as the hard part Amen to that Does not you mentioned about starting from the heart. And when you study sought from the hot water Someone listening for the first time. Potentially someone is at a point where the starting again as well What would that mean. And how would you explain. Well the idea of of start from the hardest is the same as sort of why Why why are you doing this thing right. And so I think it'd be really real with yourself. And that's how i would coach. Someone say you know. Tell me why you're doing this. And if i feel like it's an all made up i just keep just keep pushing on it And i think it's natural to sort of defend your great business idea with passion in air quotes right I mean it's very easy to fake passion right But you know it's it's hard to fake obsession for example and so you know. Were you put on this earth to do this. Are you thinking about it now. Do you want to have a four like a story of send grad right. A company that we went in our accelerator went public. I was on the board for a long time. Isaac you know. Tim jose a you. Sit these guys down you talk about transactional email the most boring thing i can think of to talk to you about right now protocols around transactional email What does that even mean. What is d kim. It's a protocol to do whatever with email. I don't care you don't care these guys talk to you about it through the night right you see it in there is like this is the subtle issue. This protocol is what causes all this problem. They actually live this world of email like it was their whole life right and you know they would take support call from someone who wasn't a customer just for the chance to talk to them about email right and actually help them with whatever the problem. They're having that is hard to fake random passionate about it pretty easy so i try to push on that and find out where intrinsically is coming from What success means why they care about this thing. Where did that come from in their background. and not just you know here how much they love it or whatever right you see it you know hear about it. I feel like. I wanted to ask question at the end but i feel like this is a good time to ask the question When we saw talking about we're talking about how you know in in between the conversation about passing stuff down through generations in world from dad and grandad and you know we never got a chance and from great grand that what if we could imagine that your great great grandchildren listen. What kind of advice. What kind of stopped you've learned through your life that you'd want them to listen to when they are twelve years old. Yeah all ready know that. They're not gonna listen because my kids don't listen at all. So i found that i can't teach them anything that they're like golden retrievers when they're in front of their teachers but when they're in front of me learning on a kick a soccer ball or use a keyboard door and how to type you don't you can't teach me anything so i know that that dynamic You know i the equivalent question. That i went through my head is like what the one thing you want them to know. Right about life and business some people and you know. I think it's been really powerful for me to just have a belief system like give i And i would encourage them to have one and to live it An and it doesn't have to be mine right because what changes the world is original thought right and I would hope that you know. They understand that they can be who they want to be and they don't have to be following in somebody's footsteps or way someone else did it but they as you said can learn from The generalizations right of the people that come before them and from that infrastructure that's been laid foundation And so you know. Don't make it up but take something you believe and lean as hard as you can't into it and that's what can change the world owning Foundations of entrepreneurship when entrepreneurship is glorified. Today there's no doubt about that. Everyone wants to be an entrepreneur and one of the things you said in. This conversation was how hot entrepreneurship was is I don't think it ever gets easier. Oh maybe does to certain extent when you start dealing with the problems you thought would the main problems and then those bring up all the problems that you've got to deal with us oppose. what are the foundations like. Someone starting I i'm again in your opinion. How would you mentor. Someone to congo these are the foundations before we can even think about like is there. I don't know i'll invest money. This doesn't make sense. Probably just say. Tear down the wall right. I mean you know one foot in front of the other The hardest part about starting starting right We get all wrapped around the excellent. Should i go. You know working an entrepreneurial company for should i see how others have done and i don't know if i'm playing golf i'm just shoot for the whole right so I think you learn from failure and you learn from doing and you never know you might succeed and so My favorite story on this. Is you know we have a company called. Ever later is a modest success You know founders lengthy the accelerator. And i remember when they apply this and you know were stockbrokers wall street guys were relatively young. We were born down the hall from each other on the same day. And we've been best friends ever since and You know we. We love to travel and building travel blog and company right and we don't code. We don't have any money All we know is how to you know stocks on wall street. But we don't do that anymore because which love to travel so you could feel the you know. I'm going to give up this job. Because it's the thing i love is traveling. I want to help people love that They created a ever later. And you know it was. What should we do with foundation. Should we go get like. How could we get into stars in five years. And i said why. Don't you try to get in this year. We don't know how to code. We'll have any team than once. You learn how to code. And so they went and they learn how to code Hello brick wall. I'm just gonna walk right through you right. That sounds hard to a lot of people because a stockbroker learning how to code And they were terrible at it The laugh when the here. But i mean in the beginning terrible it and yet you can start to see the vision that they had and the product that they had in mind but we ever leaders in the anagram per traveler thing That's how they did it but it was. It was evident that they cared enough. To make this thing happen that they were gonna teach them selves how to code something totally foreign to themselves right and they got in and they had no business getting in The fact that they got in gave them a little money loudon higher program or allowed them to you know attract some people because they were in this thing. That was kinda cool and they money afterwards and they sold the company. Aol eventually right and now So so close. To both the founders. One of them is a managing director for techstars right. And that's what sort of got them to that role. How their own micro-fund today In addition to that and is doing great. So you know it. It's just put one foot in front of the other and the best time to start is yesterday but too late so do it today right and surround yourself with mentors that can help you research by cabbage. Inked showed that ninety nine percent of small business owners believe that mentors have a direct impact on the growth and survival of that business. I love that. Because i mean especially in america i mean actually north american. In general i think in in entrepreneurship. I get a lot like. what's the next goal. i don't have one. I'm like i. I in the sense that in the sense that i never had the goal of making a million dollar company or any of that kind of stuff in mind right so i. I don't know what the next big mountain is me. And and i'm actually from to meet here. That feels really good. Because i'm like okay. At least because because i keep feeling that am. I not ambitious enough. That's why i don't know what my next thing is. 'cause i really enjoy putting one foot in front of the other. I mean right back to art. Where does the knicks brush of pinko. Its feel man. it's just feel right like Is it because you took some technical class at told you where the next thing goes on the canvas. Now it's you feel like that's gonna make it incrementally better and you could paint that stroke or the one over here. And one of them feels intuitively like it's going to be more powerful and so of all the options you pick the one that feels the most powerful and you put one foot in front of the other and you build value over time now you know i have no doubt that if you brought you know reid hoffman and to run tech stars it would go faster and get bigger. I have no illusion that we're doing it best possible way but i'm painting the picture of the best. I knew how you know one. Brush time and sounds like that's what you're doing and i think that that works right. It's added value to the thing right and don't focus on. I needed to be a million dollars. Or i need to get an exit. I just needed to be better. And if you're obsessed with the product you want to make the product better for the end user for the vision You know that's the that's the path to follow not what the textbook says that. You should do to grow at enterprise because it's just not gonna be right. There's no general their rules about how startup works startups work and how they grow. Everyone would follow that playbook. That's what i actually love about. It is you're there is no option to not learn right. You've gotta learn from every situation. Every time i work with start up. I learned something new from somebody Hopefully i can give them back something from pattern recognition or whatever but i learn more from the entrepreneurs what they're trying what they're doing and it gives me ideas for my own business but it's a master plan and then don't don't fool yourself into thinking would be. I'd say you mentioned pattern recognition. I would say that. That's probably one of the strengths that you would identify with When you look at businesses entrepreneurship today. What patterns are you seeing that maybe we are ignoring. I don't think we're ignoring it. But it is pretty obvious that there's become a sort of worshiping of fundraising worshiping of unicorn status And it'll be interesting to look back twenty years from now on all the unicorns. I mean that curve is exponential right number of unicorns created. Every year has just gone through the roof with the advent of you. Know the sopping vision fine and you know other groups. Bg whoever that her able to king make a company overnight. In you know in some ways. If i put a dollar into your company and a billion dollar pre money valuation your unicorn right. That's not what they're doing but it's sort of like that it. It's you know slapping a label on something before it's necessarily real or has fundamental Quality as a business so you know we're we're the venture community worships the founder ray. The founder worships raising money. And it's the cycle that's not necessarily healthy You know we've also been more or less than a good market for you know. Thirteen fourteen years This will change and Dynamics will change again and again as the one of the things fun about startups as you never know where it's going to go off ebon flow as a macro market but you know that's the big one to me is just the sort of worshiping. The false gods right the the fundraise the you know reaching a valuation As opposed to you know. Revenues and and employees have great jobs and impact on the company's having an achievement of of the mission and success. In your own mind as opposed to you know this need to be recognized and famous. It's it's fundamentally wrong with the venture community is. There's a lot of people waving our arms around about how great they are not a lot of people that are just doing great one of of the podcast episodes that i remember the most. Was tony robbins. Doing coach john wooden and apart from at the gliding. Four or five pages of notes. The big stein out from that interview was what your rossi. What's your definition of success because don't follow someone else's do you mind if i ask what yours look ultimately everybody's put on the planet to you know hopefully be happy right. I mean i think ultimately for me. It's it's just enjoyment of what i do and the impact of what i do. I don't really need more resources. I don't crave more resources. Some lucky in that way Some not doing it for any of those reasons right. I think being famous probably sucks I work hard to avoid that I don't want that right. And so i you know i'm doing the thing that i'm doing because i feel like it has impact and that it's helpful to others And yeah there's a byproduct of generates resources and and flow For me personally. But that's that's no longer the motivation hasn't been for a long time You know. I'm i'm a you talked about that. You know podcast that influenced you one thing that influenced me a was The this notion of you know cathal rate the idea that The utility of money Is is something that people can read about. You know if someone has a hundred thousand dollars or one hundred fifty thousand dollars. Their life is fundamentally the same. Even though that's a huge change in net worth from that perspective if someone has you know say a million dollars or ten million dollars they can do different things and they can have different impact and they can have a different level of you know maybe happiness. Although that's not always equated travel better. They can certainly do more stuff. There's a different utility but you know at some point. You say gosh i. Don't you know the life i live. I'm not trying to level it up and it's it's plenty good and you know kids are taking care of families taking care of And so you realize that. That's not the driver right And it's a different level for different people. I i know some people that are tortured by needing to get to the next level that are so incredibly successful that They have all the wealthy. You can imagine And i mean wealth not just in money but in just sort of health and personal situation and all that but they just need the next level and they wanna prove something to somebody and i feel sorry for that matter a lot of times right like it's like oh that's that any way to live right like enjoy what you have read and help others with it so to me that that's success is something that i feel like is in the rear view mirror like i. I don't. I'm not trying to impress anybody. I've i've got in with whatever years i have left like. I'd like to have fun with it and i'd like to make the world better place Are i'd like to end on this. Because i think it's important When you go to texas website In you scroll all the way down as a whole section on mental health is obviously means a lot to you and textiles and everything that you do. I'd love to talk about why what situations made that such a big deal. And what is your impression away. State of mental health in entrepreneurship is so as investors thousands of companies. You're going to run into people who are distraught. People who feel like they've raised money from someone and didn't return it Who take personal responsibility for that in the context of the accelerator. It's a three-month pressure cooker. It's designed to help you do more faster and build your network but it's unsustainable activity beyond the three months You have people that can just kind of get lost right. They can forget who they are. They can literally crack. They can become suicidal And you wanna you wanna help with that in any way you can. It's it is part of the unfortunate reality of entrepreneurship so to norota's crazy You know we. We don't do enough certainly we. We if you think about who techstars as were three hundred people probably hundred and fifty of us have started companies. Probably hundred of us are. Ceo's of those companies So been through that too and you know we just want people to know that that you know if you're not getting the support you need from your peers are in your context. You're were here. And i'd say that's true of any entrepreneur in any context. It doesn't have to be in our portfolio And we're not gonna solve your problem right but we're gonna try to help right so We have incredible resources Another guy if you had time in boulder interviewed jerry colona who is a appear to fill up his own world They know each other He's probably the best. Ceo coach on the planet And you know he. He will jump in situations and help with that so we just need to help you understand that. They're not alone. That really is the phrase. I use a lot about. Texters is is. You're not alone right. Startups being ceo at all feels lonely. But but i have a thousand other people that are going through that That i can connect you with several of us on the executive team here have been through our own challenges with just emotional health or you know not balancing life out. At all right and either overcoming commoner still struggle with it so. It's just a fact of life in entrepreneurship and you almost can never do enough about it. He almost 'cause everyone's putting their ought on the line right. Because when you put you put on the line you you so connected to what people say that that The wrong thing could affect you almost an every sad fact that every scaled up Early stage investor Accelerator program whatever has actually had events right like suicides and attempts and threats and To do harm to oneself and a man. That'll wake up quick right and you just want to try to get in front of that. But yes i mean your. It's your baby and someone selling your baby's ugly right and it's not gonna work and it's not gonna get funded and that sort of your identity and your life but that's not really who you are. That's a part of who you are And in i think helping people see that like sometimes he just asked the question like what's the worst thing that can happen like this company fails then what you get a job or two hundred thousand dollars. A year as an engineer That's probably the worst thing to happen than just recognize that right now and which you don't want to the store think could happen is actually do hurt themselves or something like that. But that's that's what's happening their mind. It's not what's happening in reality in a lot of cases and just helping them see that as part of it. I feel like the starting pa right. Sometimes when you when you when we spoke about going off to one last up right the pasta comes in plays a big part in there and it says what why do why do the do something you love when you can do something. That's profitable and did you have something to add to that in the context of of my career. And i think you know any time. Someone talks about imposter syndrome. It really is a matter. He talking to you because pretty much everyone has it is whether or not they admit Especially if they're doing anything that's sort of you know grown or become impactful and my version of that. Is you know why one hand you know wire there. Three hundred employees and you know A world of investors that actually think that they should entrust us with their career In when you get into limited partners are funds like you know why why. Why are people giving us like half a billion dollars to cohen best. Are they crazy. You know that that's sort of the thing that rolls around your head and in my really any better at this than someone that you would pick off the street and you know why me right. I have that like literally every day. And you try to channel it towards thankfulness ungrateful s right but I the hardest part You know we're we're funding five hundred companies a year a couple hundred thousand dollars per company. You can do the math. That money has to come from somewhere. It doesn't all flow back because we're growing every year the footprint of the platform so some of which pitcher investing more every year. So you've always got to be thinking about the capital to come in the future and you know sitting there going like can i do this like. Is there any reason that someone would invest two billion dollars in this right And there is an economic reason. But am i the person that can do that. And you know maybe not right You sort of doubt it but then you think backwards like why they already. Why did they already give me this money on. Oh my gosh. I hope that performs all that same pressure and thinking of you know. I'm running this company helping run this company like am i even qualified to do that. I've never a company this big before. Right so it's just ever present. And i think it's everpresent for especially ceo's but investors founder's founder raises a half a million dollar seed round wondering will people must be crazy. Why did they give me that money Hopefully they're wondering not. But i think you know believe in yourself a little bit but it's at every level in every organization. I mean the president of the united states. I'm sure has wondering maybe not in this case. Two thousand nineteen but generally. I would hope that that person would be saying you know why i entrusted with this incredible in a platforms. Incredible opportunity this incredible responsibility And so you know again. You're not alone you know. Thank you for saying that. Because i've said this so many times like i really don't have any idea what i'm doing because i've never let a company with so many people a global company before so if i said that i knew what i was doing i'd be lying and sometimes i can see people in the room. Go like did he just say that the honest truth. I've never run this kinda company before and Going back to what you said earlier. I'm doing the best they can. seems like. you're doing well I was in a meeting with our executive leadership team in connecticut and someone literally pounded their fist on the table. And they said. I don't know where we're going and the reaction at first. What do you mean oregon. We talk about where we're going all the time. We have clear vision. We understand where we're going. No i don't actually. No i think you know tell me. They said And there was a choice that was made in that moment which was really really powerful. Which was does. I need your help. I think i know where we're going. But i don't think i'm doing a very good job of communicating it articulating it. Can you help me with that. I don't think it's my strength. And i'll tell you our executive team has bonded in a way They've never seen before the moment of humility So the leader out there. That says i have to know everything can't show that weakness is maybe missing. An opportunity really really powerful thing that i've seen happen here. That's that is extremely. I mean nothing. I love more than a team coming together. In a moment of what seems to be everything falling apart right. I mean i'm a sucker dot com stuff hanging around here. You'll see plenty of i can imagine When you talk about imposter syndrome. And i'm gonna aware time You spoke i. I find it insane. That offer all this practice out of After all the stuff that you've done that you still have that. And i mean i'm lucky that i have good support system around me and good friends and a good wife that actually helps me when when i doubt myself and doubt the fact that like i've made all these promises now going to go around and keeping all these promises and sometimes that gets to me Thank you for sharing that. Then do you see that a lot around you that people kinda feel like they can say that. Yeah i mean i have personally experienced with. Ceo's that feel like you know that that would be seen as weakness right to. Of course i should be here. I know everything. Like i am your leader. You know. follow me an. It's a style thing And those people break right because they don't actually know what to do next and you know they can't say to their board in a moment of humility you know. I need help on this one. I have to say this is what we're doing blah blah blah. And of course most boards would say. I'm just here to support you. And great and the company goes off on the wrong path maybe scales model. That's completely unsustainable or whatever Mercilessly guys we have an asset here like people love the brand. They love the thing. But i don't think that that we should just scale it because it feels a little irresponsible Maybe that's radical. Maybe i'm wrong. I'm just a little loss. Like i can't imagine you know. For example. the we work board having a conversation like that at some point in their in their history. But i suspect. And i don't know adam so policies if this totally wrong but just as an example that they were led by leader who had no doubt or with presenting no doubt And you know maybe the fine it is. An awesome brand is an amazing thing Ill certainly define But you know maybe it didn't live up to its potential yet because of that and you know watching the break is hard. They get fired. They get replaced but the ceo with humility montage. Just gets the help they need. And you know they build a better company and they learn from it and so i think people are going to change. I think generally people fall in one of those categories. They're either say. I don't know what to do here. Are they're gonna pretend they do. And they're gonna play it that way pretty much all the time and one group is going to break in the other group is gonna learn. Hopefully they would call. This has been a slice of heaven. Thank you coming up on the psychology of entrepreneurship. New on cox been free program. 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IABs David Cohen with the Pulse of Digital Media & Marketing

Insider Interviews

38:02 min | 1 year ago

IABs David Cohen with the Pulse of Digital Media & Marketing

"So David Cone, I don't want to embarrass you but I read this is one of the press releases on the IAB site and I just have to read it it it says from Randall Rothenberg in less than a year as president of is David Cohen is vastly increased the size of our media Marketplace has brought an unprecedented number of interested Captain's into our leadership council's transform the timeliness of our strategic initiatives and injected new enthusiasm into our already energetic leadership team to have to sing. I have to sing it had to be you. I don't even know what to say to that. Other than that. That's very flattering Randall has a certainly a way with words. It has been a very very interesting and rewarding six months at the Ivy and I'm grateful have been handed. The reins from Randall has been leading the IB for fourteen years. That's terrific and everybody is embracing this new opportunity and which is vital well and and for all that he's contributed as well. Hey, it's e b moss and this is episode 20 of Insider interviews. Now, if you've been listening, you know that this is The Insider scoop on media marketing and advertising and who better to give that to us than David Cohen, he was just named CEO of the IAB. That is the Internet advertising Bureau and tell me what doesn't touch things internet these days prior to this David was the president North America for Magna wage. PJ's big centralized media intelligence and Innovation arm and he was responsible for more than like 20 billion dollars in media spend before that. He was the chief investment officer of um, and back in the nineties. He built out there digital practice David has so many insights about the media marketing and advertising landscape. I'm going to love this. Here we go. So I want to go back to where it all started. Oh dear. Well you in your bio describe yourself as a gadget geek and I think that that is probably the first cousin to a digital Wong, but you definitely were pretty early and embracing digital and in like the fifties. What was the aha moment what really sucked you into that and if you say Star Wars I can't No, it wasn't Star Wars. I was always one of those kids at one of the to get something first. It was kind of the new-fangled gadget that allowed you to do X Y or Z. So I was always busy until like erector sets and motors and kind of all that stuff and I think that that followed me into my professional career, you know, when I thought about what was the kind of thing that could concretize for me that the world will never be the same. It's a very it's almost embarrassing to admit it, but I'll admit it anyway just to your on the ends like in the mid-nineties when I bought realized that I can look up somebody's phone number without actually using the phone book. I was like, wow, that's pretty awesome. Like the I saw the death of the Yellow Pages in the white pages right before my eyes and I was like this is going to revolutionize the world as we know it and little did I know how how kind of dramatic that would have been kind of now twenty-five years later, but that was kind of the thing that I remember back now, which is kind of odd that I remember that I love that because you just reminded me a million years ago that when I first started selling radio, we got trained in selling against the Yellow Pages which of course was display and now you're in the like electronic version of of all things Yellow Pages on steroids, so I'm like, oh, yeah. Well, all right, so then how would you describe it? I want to I want to take us to the present day. Give us the top line of the mission of the IAB the Internet advertising Bureau log. Well, if you go on the website, you see what the mission is. I think it's fairly it's fairly clear empowering the media and marketing Industries to thrive in the digital economy. If you kind of unpack that double click on it what actually does that mean it's a combination of thought leadership combination of research influencing public policy organizing Market places where buyers and sellers can transact activities. It's peer-to-peer interactions. It's learning from each other. In fact, I think over the past six months that's been one of the most interesting and helpful because as we were all kind of treading into ground that we really didn't know what what this year was going to look like, you know some so comparing successes failures. How are we seeing the world here to pull Iraq shins was definitely was definitely one of them and and then standard-setting. You know, I think one of the things that really was appealing to me coming to the Ivy and and obviously the Ivy Tech Lab wage Not only could you channel the the voice of the customer set an agenda potentially for the industry, but you can actually go ahead and execute it. So you could figure out what we need to do and then back to use the technical standard-setting capability of the Tech Lab to go make that happen, which is what's particularly appealing to me. And I think that we've had many examples of that. So Tech Lab is kind of the Global Technical standard-setting sister or brother to the IB and we work very closely together. I was wondering about that part. So thanks for being psychic and explaining it off. So you also mentioned, you know the past six months and that clearly coincides your tenure with a pandemic so people write everything off but in a way it is kind of lucky you because there's a preponderance of you know, digital everything as we're sort of shut in how long Always that changed any of those elements of the mission statement or what you want to do with the IAB. Oh, that's a great question. So I started at the I be a couple of weeks before my official start date cuz we were finishing the kind of dining the t's crossing the eyes and my official start date was April one thousand interesting start data start, but I was I was lucky enough to make it into the office a couple of times before that. So I got to meet the team Etc. And one of the things that there was an executive committee meeting that I sat in on in the very early days and it really concretize for me the role that we could play at that moment in time when the world was really not sure what end was up. Um, how how bad was this going to be from a Public Health crisis perspective economic crisis. So we embarked right away on a series of we called them pulsed research supports to kind of pull the the buyers and sellers and the market place to give people a sense of as you're thinking about the balance of the year. What should you be thinking about and dead? Kind of every permutation there in and we looked at the buy Side Community. We looked at marketers and agencies. And then we also looked at Sellers. Sometimes we did it at the same time and other times we did it kind of one month after the other but it was a very interesting kind of dynamic where you would imagine marketers and agencies would have a sense of where the market is going slightly before that information was is was communicated to the publishing community. So they were kind of a little lagging indicator of how things were going. But we did I think six or seven whole studies over the past six months just to provide the market with a sense of what's up. What's down? What is the market looking to move in to move out of there was all the social unrest racial unrest in the country so messaging fluid in a super important. So we kind of talked about that. Um, so providing good leadership to our members as to how they should it should think about their business was really one of the things that we did early on. So was that a stepped-up frequency in those reports? Yes. Yes got it. And and you know, you do terrific conferences too and thought I was so pleased to be able to attend the reach conference in the audience conference about where audience of gone. So, where are they going off? And and what were your goals going into putting on both of those conferences or they're sort of parallel? Yep conferences. I guess there was kind of the it was an outgrowth of the the newfronts. So one of my first tasks when I when I joined the Iya, bisa Randall said to me David what I'd really love you to do is to own the new friends and thought well that would be kind of it would be interesting and exciting little did I know that there would be no production facilities that kind of it was just that whole new phone number. Process was a roller coaster that took us from kind of April to June and we were very pleased that we were actually pulled that off and and it was quite successful in to the quote that you started with out from Randall's note. I think that the weight not my singing you mean the no I'm not referring to your singing although I made a rendition at the end but I think that we've worked together a phone number far larger group of people together. I think that was slightly less to do with me and more to do with kind of the virtual nature of kind of the market and the first event that truly was was a gathering together, right? We were just coming out of our cocoons and we picked the week that can was supposed to be scheduled and and actually people were able to do some really good production and people were interested in being inspired about the business again, so that was just very good timing. Anyway, after the newfronts one of the things we heard time and time and time again was about driving incremental wage. And how kind of audience consumption has changed we've seen three years of audience consumption change in the past quarter or the past six months and we need to do something about it. So I'm calling from my agency days. September October is the time when you really are in Earnest starting some planning for next year. We thought that well, it would be a great time for us to get get folks together really focus on the marketer agency community and talk about where are those audiences going? So this is probably more of an answer than you were bargaining for I'll get to it. I promise take it off. But the the truth of the matter is, you know, we've heard this time and time again on many stages virtual stages over the past couple of months from linear television has evolved into a connected television. Some folks call it Ott world and we've seen dramatic increases in consumption their dramatic new entrants into the market new opportunities to kind of dead. Aggregate audiences which is super exciting. So I think the connected television or the streaming landscape the new mnemonic or the new acronym is fast free ad-supported television is really one of the the lead stories there and I'll tell you what streaming audio the podcasting business and streaming audio all up many were very concerned that with the lack of car time travel time that that would be taking a a hit in terms of usage. We've actually seen the opposite we've seen, you know, the the growth of smart speakers the new Outlets podcasting and audio is getting another and a Renaissance of Their Own. This year we published a research study with pricewaterhousecoopers PWC and found that podcast consumption actually went up 15% despite the the pandemic so I would say I'm streaming.. Is kind of the belle of the ball that seems to be where people are are spending their time and as with other things that we've seen as I know that you know, being a student of business, you know, there's there's consumers who are driving the agenda and we as marketers are trying to be fast followers and in some cases, we follow very quickly in other cases. It takes us some time. So I I think back to the the year of mobile the year of mobile the year of mobile that hadn't happened until we talked about it for six or seven years and then everything was mobile phone. No, I think we're trying to avoid that in kind of see TV space. How do we in? He's marketers into that so we can follow consumer usage. Well in terms of the increase in streaming and particularly in podcast listening, I will say from your mouth to God's ears and everybody else's I hope especially The Insider interviews and so along the the track of conferences next month and this is also sort of along the lines of disruption and how things are changing. You'll have the brand of the brand disrupter Summit and I just passed. Yes. I can't I lose all my listeners that have migrated to podcast. I'm really interested in that topic too. It seems very germane to a lot of friction points that we have right now. You know that whole retail physical digital hybrid. I want to know how Brands might be taking on some of the DTC traits and you talk about wage. The Warby Parker's in the Harry razors being the accredited universities of disruption is that still accurate or are some of those traditional Brands kind of eating their lunch now is everybody good jobs disruptive headspace. Well, that was a multi-part question was you asking to unpackage? So yes, we should have disruption week which is coming up in November which we broken down into three parts. So brand disruption Summit is kind of the first two days. We have creative disruption, which is a day off. I think that we probably as an industry haven't spent enough time on the kind of Creative Impact, you know, we talked about data and Technology a lot. But how does that affect a kind of the creative part of the equation and then we have the IV policy Summit which is another kind of interesting talk about disruption. What's happening in D C is also really interesting to see so it'll be right after the election and birth. Hopefully we'll we're going to get some really good DC luminaries to talk about that to answer your other question though. The IB is really quite different in the kind of trade Association Office Space in that it's it's it's got lots of different cohorts as part of it. So it started as kind of a publisher organization and then kind of added adtech and then about two years ago. I added Brands to the roster. We have over a hundred and seventy brands that are now members of The Ivy and that's a combination of disruptive Brands and an established Brands, quite honestly, so but the whole brand disruption idea the kind of direct consumer economy was something that Randall in the IB really embraced before it was in Vogue and we've kind of followed that over the past two years and followed that Evolution. So we're we're building on we have the i a b 250 which is the top 250 direct consumer Brands. Which dog We publish every year and you know, you can see from a year ago what you know, just take groceries as an example. It was a one point two billion dollar online grocery one point two billion dollar business a year ago. It's now a seven point two billion dollar business today so we could see just astronomic Rose. And once again the pandemic has poured kerosene on things that we have been seeing evolutionarily change. It is now kind of really pressed the fast-forward button and we're all living digitally. I mean, honestly our our very existence is a hundred percent digital weather in Zoom, whether it's a podcast everything is online and I think that we are just trying to understand what impact does that have on the direct-to-consumer world and I think that you know, you know this as well as I the established brands are trying to learn from the successes that dtc's have had they have been born out of a digital mindset a table. Kind of put something in Market put some stimulus out see what it does. If it works do more of it. If it doesn't work you less of it and established brands are established for a reason they've had kind of a go-to-market strategy. They've been changed dramatically over a period of time and now we're in a dramatic period of change so everyone's trying to learn from one another and and we're hopefully going to have two days of exactly that how can we learn as a collective about driving growth in a time of particular disruption? Well, I'll take your unpacking and raise you one off so it kind of Sparks a common in another question in terms of the online grocery spend increase. I woke up names and mention one of my recent podcasts with was with Marissa Solis who is in marketing at Frito-Lay and she spoke directly about that and off. When the pandemic hit everybody was buying up snacks, but they were buying them online and that disrupted the whole as you said grocery business as well in traditional approach to buying the other thing that you talked about with how much Focus we have on creative and brand leads me to my other interview busy busy. I'd like to drop names to I'm so proud of the people that I've been able to interview you especially so you're in good company and and I want to mention my page with Carl Fremont. Who's the CEO of quigley-simpson because he's such a stumper for the balance between, you know as they say brand and demand so long. I think that you guys must be at the center of this also and and the brand disruptor some some it is kind of emblematic of that. But how do we navigate those brand in the man goals, you know, Bob Awareness with the performance. You used to control billions in media spend. So what do you advise brands on navigating that path today? Oh dear. I know at that, you know the the age-old purchase funnel from awareness to advocacy wage. I'm not going to tell you anything that you haven't heard before is probably not the the dynamic that makes sense in our current environment. You can go from never hearing of a brand down to Triangle brand in a half a second. If a kind of trusted colleague, like if I were to tell you if something that I watched or tried or age that was fantastic and you trusted my opinion you just go try it. You didn't need the whole kind of image of work through the funnel you go from one to the end quite quickly. So I think that so that's that's a fact, you know, you think about the funnel has took of being a Vestige or an Antiquated concept number two is you know, I think that many many Brands and this is not a knock on Brands but lots of brands khong When I was on the agency side, we would look at what what did we do last year? Let's use that as kind of our base and then let's think about what do we want to change for next year? Let's let's look at consumer habits and thoughts and insights and we'll make some tweaks and that'll be our plan for this year. And I think that the thing that I would just I would counsel brands have we talked to Market is all the time is if there ever was a time for clean sheeting if that's a word clean sheeting. I've just now created it starting with a blank piece of paper and going to market for the first time imagine. You are a new brand and don't hang out of the legacy of kind of how you've gone to the market now is the time just do it as an exercise now is now is the time if you potentially think about that and everything communicates the idea of something is a brand message and something as a direct response message I think is also a fallacy. I think that everything is designed to take you to be a Believer song. In a product or service that you might not have known about before and also brand advertising could lead to direct response in direct response can have a brand Halo and everything in between. So I don't think it's as black-and-white off and I know Coral is a dear dear friend. I've known him forever. He is a salt-of-the-earth fantastic human being I see him often. We have an agency Leadership Council that they use a regular attendee at so hopefully he's listening. I'm sure he will cuz I'll be telling him about this and hopefully we'll get to this but you're both very active in pro-social causes and things like that. So yay both of you so let's get into maybe some tactical specific. What about driving digital engagement. Are you seeing a big shift in how that's being accomplished? So this Thursday? Very pithy answer and I apologize in advance the simple answer on the surface is it's super important to be relevant. So understanding of your life situation your life needs so I always say that for me as I was considering which university my oldest daughter was going to attend church because we're very very good in marketing. It was a tsunami of kind of stuff that was put in front of me about options for higher education. And and what the opportunities were when I just had a baby I was interested in kind of all the things that you want to know about that and if I'm not having a baby those things are not relevant to me. So I think relevance is is really key. And that's just an obvious answer. I think we have to be respectful of people's time. I think more and more the attention span of the average consumer and then particular cohorts in there is getting smaller and Thursday. Color and I think that we just need to make sure that we are not talking to herself not being insular but respecting people's time and being sensitive to the ad to edit ratio or add to edit experience and make sure that we are using that in the most effective and efficient way possible. That's the simplest thing that comes to mind, you know, we can never hear too much of the the basic truth and have that as a reminder and you know, we talked about increased listening to podcasts and that add to edit things certainly applies there. I'm so afraid of that space turn into a slippery slope of yeah, he adds so relevance seems to be related to to data and measurement off and understanding what's relevant to that particular audience or not. So if you could just talk about a big topic these days cross-platform measurement Pig How the IAB is helping to drive that forward and will we see aggregated measurement across streaming devices another big question maybe ever since I've been in this business, I would say we've been talking about measurement and kind of there's oh there's a constant ongoing frustration about the Fidelity of that measurement and measurement as kind of been a vexing challenge for us for a very very long time. I am a huge believer in progress over Perfection and I think that we have been looking for perfection in this space for a while and I think that that's been one of the one of our challenges I divide the world into two basic buckets off. When is how we count things and the other is how we value things and there are different and we haven't kind of really cracked the code on either perfectly yet, but we're making Tremendous progress so counting across different platforms and devices and types is very very challenging. I consider this to be really in the kind of technical underpinning technical infrastructure. What who are the standard-setters in that space who can kind of understand off molecular level. How do we count an impression? How does a CTV impression equal in Mobile impression equally display impression equal in your television impression. We're doing a lot of work at the tech lab on that point. So I really consider our role to be kind of the Intel inside the technical infrastructure to help understand how we count things in a similar way. Um, and then the the value part of it is also equally interesting, you know is the value simply delivering an ad and impression is the value that you've actually encourage someone to do something else. You get into the whole kind of attribution modeling and all the touch points that happen from initial to completed sale. And there's so much sophistication that has happened in that space over the past three to five years which has been fantastic. So we will definitely get there at some point. There are no shortage of initiatives in the industry today to crack the code off of could we have a ID that is kind of cross-platform crust device that defines e b or David as a kind of virtual ID. It's there's a technical challenge to a lot of the stuff that we're talking about. But we've had some of our most competitive companies come together to work collaboratively collaboratively on this cuz if they don't figure it out as a collective industry, we will not see the growth that we are all looking for cuz if we can't measure it, you can't grow it. So I think that's super critical. You have a big job man. There's a lot to this. That's another thing that you know, just on that point not to kind of just go off on a tangent. That is the the greatest challenge is focused and priority. And if I was to if I was to put put my finger on the thing that is the greatest opportunity for us is to am not worried about the noise and there's lots of noise but identify what are the critical things that you need to get done identity resolution is kind of number one. What do we think about privacy per person was Asian and safety. That's kind of the big one. What do we think about measurement and attribution? And how do we make sure that we'd make the video landscape grow commensurate wage are consumers are going those are kind of the big three things and I would say everything else is noise, but you have to have you have to have Focus cuz otherwise you're an inch deep in a mile wide and you're not effective at anything. Now the IAB really touches everything as you know convergence and streaming just makes your choice of platform moot but I do want to kind of here just like your knee-jerk reaction life. I say video If I say audio if I say DTC what's your sort of buzzword bingo knee-jerk reaction to those? You know, I do the same thing. You're I do that. I do like I do a speed round. It's like word association. I say something and you just you say the the first thing that comes to mind so video would be streaming. That's a foreign one, but it is the truth audio would be podcasts and DTC would be Innovation. That would be either kind of three things to come to mind. That's great. So now I'm going to do something else that you did and I stole this directly from you in your wrap-up panel at the reach conference. So the people who are in your hot seat before you ask them to dream and say what they would fix that was vexing them today. So what would you suggest that's vexing you today, David? What do they say imitation is the greatest form of flattery or something like that right for asking a question like that? See the thing that comes to mind is off for us to solve our greatest challenges in this business. It's going to take collaboration across all parts of the industry. And I think that our natural tendency is to have a not created here kind of this is my little sandbox and I'm not going to necessarily play well with others and I want to have proprietary Advantage. So if I was a dreamer and I've been called lots of things maybe that's one of them, I would dream that we would put kind of the value of the collective ahead of the value of that kind of individual kind of group person company insert, whatever that noun would be It's very humanist of you. And I think that that actually has more legs than even beyond our our digital world. And oh God. Yeah, and I think that it's a great opportunity for me to then give you a chance to talk about what I referenced before and and your participation in some really nice pro-social activities. So I would love for you to evangelize the work that you're doing on the board for partnership with children and talk a little bit about that. Sure. I love to sew partnership with children. I was introduced to it probably five years ago by Bill Tucker who was agency compatriot now at the A N A. It was a bad time in my career where I was really looking at how can I give back in ways that I hadn't been doing before I do have two teenage daughters dead. I was I was struck by the work that partnership was doing for the most disadvantaged children in New York City and I went to a school to to meet some of these kids. I talked to the partnership with children social workers. These are kids that wake up in the morning and they don't have any any clean clothes to wear. They don't have anything and this is before pre pandemic. They don't have any wage thing necessarily to eat. They might not even have an adult member in the house. They're in poverty situations. They have crisis at home. And the thing that was most resonant to me. I started learning about partnership is just knowing that somebody cares about whether they show up to school or not makes all the difference in the world. Just having a an adult that checks in on you that step number one that makes an inordinate amount of difference in the development of that child into a productive member of society and as I got into understanding what time But the partnership was doing I got my two daughters to come with me to a couple of the events and I got them to hear from some of the kids that were touched by and moved by and helped by the partnership with children folks and it made them appreciate a little bit more kind of the the lifestyle that they have and what they grew up with and not to take things as much for granted as they had and obviously I've been doing a lot of fundraising for the organization. And being able to leverage the relationships that I've created over my career to the good of folks that are disadvantaged to has been very very rewarding and I've I've kind of paid it forward. So I've gotten other folks that are in the industry involved Helen Lynn is also on the board. So that was fantastic and she continued to do that. I think the only thing I'd say last is as with other things in during this pandemic there has never been a more critical time for home support in every way it takes whether it's financial support or psychological support or counseling and Crisis Care. These kids really are going through, you know, everything that we're all going through you take it and it's just super acute if you started out in a in a poverty-stricken kind of crisis-prone environment and just a dog Endemic an economic crisis on top of that and and racial and social unrest you can imagine that the work that we're doing now is is more important than ever. So we continue to to fight on Monday. Thank you for doing that and thank you for sharing so much about it and I'll certainly add a link to the show notes to partnership with children. It's really heartwarming to hear about that and you mentioned your daughters at home. And I hope your family is is well. I know that there are a lot of post-grad kids who have moved back home. So I think another service that we could do for grown up children is give some advice for how one might get into a comedian industry and and perhaps find a job these days in our challenging times thoughts. Yes, I think challenging times are in some cases an understatement. You know, one of the things that we have done this year as it relates to kind of diversity expert on inclusion. One of the challenges that we have is kind of making sure folks that are in colleges and universities are are so inspired by the media and marketing industry that they want to get into office of this business that we're in. So we've been doing a lot of kind of reach out to you know, historically black colleges and universities. We invited them to participate a lot of I think nearly four hundred students participated in the newfronts. We are talking about starting an apprenticeship program for folks that want to kind of break into this industry. I don't think that there is a silver bullet or a simple answer to your question. I do think being glass-half-full and reasonably optimistic. I think that the worst of it is is odd. And I think that next year we were going to continue to kind of claw our way back to to the growth that we've seen year in and year out and I think that you know at home I be where we reflection of kind of the health of the the ecosystem kind of at-large and we're trying to do everything that we can to grow the overall kind of industry and ecosystems. We can contain it continued to to move the business forward. So I would say for folks that are looking for work networking is is by far and away the tools that we have at our disposal now, are Beyond Compare um, and uh networking and you know, it's a six degrees of separation. You'll find your way to someone at a company that is interested in hiring if you just keep at it so diligence I think is as important and I know that we're going through a time of people kind of been being laid off and people downsizing and efficiency measures. Yep. Hopeful that 2021 will reverse that and we'll be back to the kind of hiring that we have seen in years past. Well, if anyone can help Inspire an industry and and help move it forward. I have a feeling it's you it had to be you. Sorry Encore. I'm David Cohen. What a pleasure speaking with you. I'm glad I got to see you a little even though most will only hear you through this podcast, but it's been great. And I really would appreciate you taking the time and appreciate all you're doing seriously to help move our industry forward. Well, I hope you got some good inside scoop from this episode of inside job interviews with me EB moss. 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TechFan Podcast 457 - Razr PC Laptops

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TechFan Podcast 457 - Razr PC Laptops

"You're listening to another great podcast. In the my mac podcasting network technet podcast number four hundred and fifty seven. I'm tim robertson. Joined by david cohen. Hello david hello. How are you today. I'm really good you. Yeah pretty good. Yeah joyce all this day. Well i mean i just woke up a few hours ago so there's not a whole lot to enjoy about it yet but yeah sure looking forward to it as as i said to my brothers this morning and i said i said happy new socks and coffee mug day. That's kind of it. You know i watching a tick tock thing. Yeah and the guy was ranting about how crappy fathers day is. He goes tried to get a restaurant on mother's day. You can't go to a restaurant. They're all booked up. Yeah get get a A father's day restaurant. You just walk right in no problem Yeah that's about right. Yeah that's because guys don't want to else. The problem is on father's day. Right is that you know depending a new family dynamics. You've read the whole family father's day you'll pay for that yup. Well you might say. I think it's more than that though. I think it's it's just not that big man man apathy. yeah yeah. I agree with that. We don't want to make a big deal. No i mean we like the acknowledgement. But we don't you know anyways. Yeah we don't wanna make a big fuss bannet when oath breakfast with my mobile this morning. And the kids got me a wireless charging mouse mat for my for my home computer. I'm inches. nice gift for me Put you find out more emails mouse charges which is a good idea. And i got the advocate from leeann mitch on a couple of weeks ago so on look for deployment without lights. So i'm pretty happy. I did not get new salts or coffee mug say I don't need socks or compromise. Either so yeah who knows what grace. Yes well my kids have a camping all week long. So i don't i i don't think you'd be to the store that's okay. You can't crafts. We wrote with face painted on it. Well the thing is when we guys want something we go by it. Yeah yeah. I think we've got connection issues today. I think i think as by being full. Jay's is a solution. Yeah well if i i was on wifi earlier in go ahead should we chew we switching wifi. You think we could do that and lose connection listen. You won't my define how the down and turning on wifi now. I am now on. Why not just on the sign and so a move and he will. yeah worked. Well i mean we connected to. The wifi doesn't necessarily mean they're connections going to get better. It doesn't but you know i. I often think that networking particularly wallace. Networking is conduct matching. Nowadays i'm just proves it's matching the e can have an ongoing live audio call and you can switch from one connection other. Ip address is changing everything and it just goes. Oh yeah let's keep going. Let's although there was a news report that came out yesterday yesterday. Being friday or saturday june nineteenth. That if you join on an iphone if you join a wifi network with all these weird characters it will literally break the wifi on your iphone forever. Really yeah yeah i guess. The only solution is a An a new can pave with your iphone is the only way you're going to get back. Well all right. So even it's not corrupting might him completely. You would have to do a complete reinstall correct. Yeah which is kind of which you'd have to do every cable because you can't do that in seoul that complete necas stole i've than what network because you want vice broken. Yeah and. I don't think you could do it via four g or five g because it's going to like oh to install this you got to be connected to wi fi. I can interesting. I didn't say that report. But i saw it on nine to five mac and I saw it. I saw it listed on some twitter stuff to know. It was a researcher who did it in right. They even put right in the description. What the name of the network was. I'm thinking oh that's thank you. That's awesome guys good job that's responsible ripple saying that. Yeah you're not going to get a thirteen year old on go to troy and then bricks their iphone and then their parents are ticked but anyways Anything new in the tech world on your end loads so Yeah i've got a whole policy in the nights. And i don't know whether we'll get to all of it today and i don't know how much of it is worth talking about but You may recall on the. I think it was last tech fanshawe. We did Because we've missed a couple of weeks. I was going to spend some time using android drive. Yeah yeah and. I did that and it was. It was an interesting experiment. Not what's interesting about is not the technology which was absolutely fine. I i'm fast. I'm going to say i'm not. I'm not gonna talk very much about android i no. That was the whole point of doing the thing to try android but you know what android obviously using android ten android. Nowadays is pretty good. It's it's kind of like the windows of the mobile world in that it does most things as adequately well as the iphone does. he does a lot differently I it's difficult nowadays to say whether those those things worse or better it just awesome differently. Oversee being android is a lot more flexible. There's a lot more options you have. It can be a bit confusing every now and again. You hit a weird bug. The just like a windows machine after dive into google google things and then do something all to your to your phone to get working properly. I had a problem with mine. Way my podcast. App was very quiet. Even when i send the volume up all the way Just wasn't turning it up. Yeah was sending out but even at maximum volume. It wasn't very loud was it. All shows are just particular shows everything everything it was. It was all the audio output from the fine basically and search for that and i found that was some obscure developer option. You've gone into ten on an android that resolve the problem. That's obviously a bug The difference is if if you encountered that sort of bug on On an iphone festival. You won't be able to fix it. You just have to live with it and so apple updated but the difference is apple. Probably fix that relatively quickly whereas with google laughing and these things can hang around for a long time but in general you know what if if apple went out business tomorrow and i had to start using an android phone. It be different. It would be impossible. Parts of it would annoy me but most of it will be fine actually parts of android us some of the announcements. That were made it. W w dc a couple of weeks ago. I'm definitely inspired by stuff. I've seen on android all the widget staff the way. They're starting to hand multitasking. Now on the ipad is inspired by stuff. I've seen on a with. Joe series appoint android so You know it's it's fine. I think in in the bad old days you know back when irs was relatively new i think android was the worst experience i think nowadays. They're pretty much on a par so from that point of view it was it. Was you know perfectly fine announcer. Said if i had to live with android tomorrow i wouldn't. I wouldn't really miss a beat. But what i did find interesting was the device i was using android on. Which was. I took the opportunities to do something address. Appel complaint that you've made many times on this show were churches that Are all the same. They just flat slabs of glass and there's no innovation drug so. I thought i would try an innovative fine. So i picked up. Used a two thousand. And nineteen most la risa android. Fine as a flip phone. Where it's you know that foldable screen the files straight vertical folder. Not exactly yeah. I thought about the horizontal folding one. But you know. I thought that as we you and i've said before don't really see the point of those but the point with a sunny with a smartphone of of the razor. Is that when you flip it. It becomes half the size and it makes a big difference putting it in your pocket. I don't have the pro. You know even with my own. Twelve pro not the macs. Just the iphone twelve pro. Have a problem putting in my pocket most of the time. Now i say most of the time because there are sometimes i've got multiple things in my pocket and having a smaller phone would definitely be a benefit. Yeah and also. There's the thing as well. Larry if you have you found in your pocket There is an outside chance because it's a big slab glossy if something hits pocket it could smash the screen. I know it's not. He's not huge problem but it there is a there is a potential there. But the th. I'll tell you what there is something nice about putting a smaller phone into your pocket. One of the things. I liked about the race or is that it's pretty is pretty. Sturdy is very heavy heavier than you might think but actually for a device that falls down to something half the size of a regular smartphone. That's actually quite nice. They has some heft to it. I remember and i coveted a the original razor massively when it first came out i mean i wanted the motorola razor and i almost bought one about three months before Macaroni expo two thousand and seven so towards the end of two thousand and six. I almost bought one and of course at that point there was a lot of rumors going around about going to release a smartphone so i held off and kept using the little crappy motorola thing that i had although the razor is a motorola but you know what i mean it was it was a motorola it was it was some cheap flip phone. That worked fine made calls. But that's about all. It did ivan experimented with the camera which was awful but the ju- just the fit and finish of it the way it kind of had that curve on the chin of it when the phone would fold closed and i it was just extremely sexy and look at the pictures of the twenty nineteen version and it just doesn't have that sex appeal as old dead. It looks wider. i it is. Wider is not small but it really is a small as it has to be at stories winds is asked to be to make sense with android So so from that point of view. It's it you know it's a compromise but actually the thing is compare it to compare it to my iphone eleven. The screen is not quite as big. But it's nearly as big what about how it looks as far as the screen when it's open android is running. Yeah it it looks excellent. I think it's really really nice. Actually for stomp visually. Unless you catch it in the light so you can see that this bumps from the from the supporting underneath it lewis folders yet one not the full that actually the fold is one of the areas. You can't really see because in the razor. What happens is the as you as you fold it. So the screen is festively as oleg plastic right. So it's it's like a thin film so as you fold the phone. It has like a u-shaped mechanism and it's very clever. It's also culkeen stuff going in there and what happens if the whole screen kind of moves down a little bit underneath the chin the balsam And then as you close it the Spring is not bent as much as you might think it is it kind of is been into like a you so it's not it's it's actually Mentioned if he took a piece of paper. I know i i get it. I get held. You held you held the edges together. You would have kind of a you is if if you put your things across the crease right so because of that. There is no chris in the screen But underneath the screen because it's plastic. There is all sorts of mechanisms underneath to macy. Basically keep the screen flat supports it and you can see those if you look along the light and you can a little bit. There's a little bit of up and down if you as you move your finger up and down the screen but it's in no way kind of objectionable it's different than gulfstream but the at the actual field of the plastic is fifty. Pretty good and the plastic also seems pretty sturdy in that. I don't think plastic was scratch. Unless you really try to. what about you know. Just moving your thumb around the screen like you would an iphone seeds when touch a crappy phone. I could tell us crappy because of the the screen. That's what i was wondering that they they would feel like kind of one of those old resisted screens. That used to get On on all devices doesn't really feel that all and it's very responsive yeah. I really didn't have a problem with the screen soul. It's fine he's nice it. Sharp is right You know it fills. It fills the whole condo display. There's no there's no real the the edges on. Are they kind of the. You know the thing that everybody goes on about is the is the bengals on the side. It goes right outside salt. The basil's awry me where the screen is is not on the on. The phone begins and it needs that for support. It feels really good in the hands to be honest. Could really solid the size shape and everything is just about. Right there's a big fingerprint central and the bottom on this on this one that's really accurate And more importantly as well because obviously you know with screaming when it folded. You can't see the screen because it behind a thing. There's a smoke screen on the front of the phone in in the In the kind of thing where the compact mode right. There's also pretty nice and that docile. United -cations lousy so might calls from there and and access the cameras. Well you can access the camera without holding opening the fine and that kind of cool yeah. It's pretty well done actually. Because they've had thought you know. Oh you don't wanna be opening the thing all the time and how do you think that there's a place for a foam like this today. This is obviously a couple years old. This this is what i'd say to you. I think this is this technology. The future i think only a matter of time before all find start doing this just because you can do so much more with the phone facts when you have a screen lights imply now. The reason i was interested in this is on the series. I bought an old one first of all is spent too much money and i would not spend what this process of these things all today. You buy They have an odd. They've updated the my the rise of that so it has five g now And yeah that's over thousand pounds on the equivalent. Samsung which the galaxy said flip is also over a thousand pounds. These phones are not worth a thousand pounds. I would not go out unless i really really want. Full-fat are would not go out and buy a new today because that's too much money. Compared to what else can get in the market for thousand for less than half of that for a two year old one. This is a bit of a bargain because it's really nice is innovative and obviously as expensive fine. They know exactly top end specs but they're also not too shabby either. What about ability to android on it This this went from nine to ten during his lifetime. I think you've run on android ten. You're pretty much k. Give probably not going to get. I i do. This room is the most role might eleven on this. But you know that's one of the downsides of android is the independently manufacturer. Were you on apple as well. Yeah but the but the manufacturer is pretty good at keeping the older phones fully up to date whereas android manufacturers on on. I am so. Yeah if you're looking a new phone and you want something a little bit different woods say spending you know a few hundred dollars on one of these is fun the other reason for getting on this to see how the screen halts up after a couple of years and i'll tell you i mean this unit i bought was I think it was actually mark from the suppliers. The the refurbishes grade b that actually i would say is i. I can't see a single mark on it at all and And yeah the screen. You would not know that. This is a two year old phone from the core to the screen interests. I i like it and you know what. I'm going to keep using it to coupla things particular to this razor is that you can't you can't put an sd card in it and it comes with is con- starts at one twenty eight gig of stories. So that's not so much of a problem but you can't put similar either on the uses e sim so you have to make sure you're going to get one that you either get one to the it's locked to make sure it's locked to a network that you want to use And also make sure that the network you want to use unconcealed unisem to use with it because You can't put a regular same inside it. So that's a limitation on this particular model to bear in mind. But but yeah. I i'm gonna keep on going to have this as a as a spare phone. You know what they are going to be times when You know went on carrying the iphone ran just talking. Take calls on that number but might be using this for most of my day. I miss nobel on the phone. So yeah. I got an update on my Vehicle you remember. I was having weird problems with With my sequoia and That i tell you the latest about the alarm going off at night No that's okay so a little over a week ago. Two in the morning my alarm starts going off in my truck. So that's kind of weird. So i go outside annoying annoying but i'm thinking you know there's a meth head probably breaking into my truck or trying to steal the keller convert or something. I go outside. it's raining the i've got a t shirt my underwear and i'm holding a louisville slugger bat k and there's no problem. I think i've seen that. Maybe so i go outside and nothing's going on. I turn off the alarm. I turn it back on. I go back in the house. He goes off again. Did it go off straightaway or did white embedded tended to go back to sleep. No it went to wait. I got back into bed. So i'll go back outside and now my neighbor. Yeah who's maybe ten years younger than me. Maybe a little bit more than that going on. He's got his windows open as y'all need some help can which basically is him. Passively aggressively saying are gonna turn off. So i can sleep. No it was a concern. You can try. Okay is being stabbed. Yeah well he didn't know what was going on but he sees me and my underwear t shirt holding the bat again and he goes. I think you've got gotta handle. I've got to have be only tim going out the second time on my left behind. No because now. I'm thinking someone's a screwing around with me now right okay. Yeah so i go back out there and julie asks afterwards or no coal asked afterwards what. I've actually hit somebody with the bat. Step i said buddy when you wake me up at two in the morning. Yeah i would. Probably i don't want to. There's a difference between. I'm going to want to what i hit someone with a bat. Yeah i would carry that less year. Hits on me with it. Yeah the desert differences. Some coming at you hit you. Hit the they're running away. You know presumably the not going to chase down the street in the hope of hitting them with the band. No i might choose them a little bit just to make sure gone for good. But you're not gonna donahue would catch out and deliberately pill if someone stood up and square it up on me the hell. Yeah but anyways now the alarm will go off. But i can't set it again and then i noticed the lights. The headlights don't turn off. And i notice in. The car is not running by the way the radio is on and the aco is on my gods at this. Point is that using. At this point i'd be. The radio was playing music from the fifties gang. So i get in the car i started. I turn it off and those things stay on so there is some kind of an electrical issue. I thought maybe it's the aftermarket car starter because that has permission remotely to you know turn on. That wasn't it so the only way i could fix it. That night was to disconnect the battery. I was going to say that would be my next move. yeah remember. it's it's raining at this point. It's quarter after two in the morning. I got to work the next day. Yeah and i'm outside and flip flops. Underwear t shirt and now a wrench. So i take it to the place that redid my remote start. Yep and they disconnected every accessory in the car and the problem didn't go away so the problem was not the remote start stereo or the pack. The pack is kind of what you run all the power through to convert from the factory stuff to the aftermarket stuff including steering wheel controls. That's all fine. It's working fine so the problem somewhere else. Yep so. I get it into the shop. This was on thursday. We get it in the shop and It turns out. Is it now work at the dealership. It turns out that. I have a sub offer in the car. It's powered sabat sits in the back. There's four wires that go to in essence. There's a great big thick power cable that goes directly to the battery and of course left and right audio input. Yeah but you can't have the sub hooked up to the battery drawing power twenty four seven when the cars hop which is what it would do if you connected directly to the battery yet so you have to have another wire goes to the radio to the sub that when the white radio is powered up it turns on this up so basically. It's a kill switch when you turn off the radio the cell powers down right that wire somehow shorted out into the entire body of the vehicle and got so hot inside the dash that it partially melted. My wiring harness. Not the wiring harness to the radio the other side of that. The cars wiring harness so the cars runs fine. You know sequoia you start right up. No problem except i don't have Really defrost have the radio steering wheel controls. Obviously don't do anything. The remote starts not working now. It's all disconnected I do get a c. Thank god because otherwise it can drive a when. It's hot in the wipers works. I can drive it in the rain. But that's about it and we're looking at about fifteen hundred dollars to replace that wiring harness and correct the faulty wiring. And all that. Wow yeah so bad news. And it's not like you. Just unplug the wiring harness and plug a new one in well. That's a big job. Last museum white cost fifty nine hundred dollars. And that's with my employee discount. Yeah so you know a couple of people that are going to do it. I mean granted. It's it's a great vehicle. But it's a two thousand and seven with two hundred seventy one thousand miles on it so visit with fifteen hundred dollars. Oh yes yeah. Yeah especially in. Today's market yeah. I could probably sell it for twelve grand if you know off things were. I'm casey's worth doing well. Hundred dollars is still a lot less than a car payment for something exactly and even if i wanted to get something brand new. There's no inventory right now. Yeah so yeah. it's is it worth it. Yes but more importantly i kind of have to know. Look i don't have to. I could live without the radio the last two days of work. I've got a sony bluetooth speaker that i stick on the dash and or down underneath radio and listen to my audio books and music that way less than ideal but it works. But that's i. I can't live that way. I can't lock the car. I can't remote lock the car. Yeah so so. He's the question. This was a fault that was caused by the sub woofer. Well gohire and caused by the sub off of it was caused by the presence of the sub woofer. And i've got to be honest. What you just described. How the sub woofers widen to me. That sounds kinda sketchy how. The most of them are wired end. Yeah i know. He doesn't sound just in from an engineering point of view. Doesn't sound to me like christly. Yeah so all you have to have a. You have to have a lot of power going to offer driving an amplifier which is powering the subway as you've just found out the failure mode of the wiring sub woofer and had can affect the directly the wiring harness of the car. But you gonna say that about anything though but what would happen if you've been driving. The car in that that happened did happen while i was driving. Because that's one that started acting goofy. My question is are you going to have to suffer removed. No okay no. The guy who did my sub offer used a really cheap super thin wire to make his job easier. And you don't see the subway for wire when you're in it it's it's it's underneath so i didn't realize he had used such a cheap wire had i known i probably Quite honestly not have used that wire. Because that i would have recognized. That's way too thin. You need a like a twelve gauge wire. Something not a twenty four gauge wire which is paper thin so of course that failed now i would have thought that if it failed it probably would have just broken the civil for when out of turned on at all because by default if that wires not there the it won't take any power. It's like well. No i don't have the circuit to say. Turn it on or off. So i'm going to be on the safe side and not turn it on at all. Rather than alms power on twenty four seven and. Kill your battery so sophisticated easy circuit. But that's what i mean about think. That's my thing. That solution is not great. Well there is no other solution. If you're gonna put a subway for in the car. I must have a sub woofer you must. I must dario file. If it's my vehicle and i'm listening to music. I wanted to sound right and when you got shitty base. I can't do it to be fair. My call has supple offered various federal face. Not well if this had factory sub woofer. I wouldn't have had a gun this route but anyways that's with my Update right. Now i don't know if they've Found the wiring harness whether they can still order it from toyota. Or they're going to have to go to a different source This was on thursday. I was off friday. I work yesterday but the people that working on it. We're not there saturday. I'm off monday. So i won't find out anything until to. Yeah you know what it always blows anytime if the really like And you're interesting in keeping everything working all of that it always blows meant something like this happens funny enough. You know you know. I bought it was new to me was about six months old a new car and a few months back and is already got denton. Aside from somebody some of that means it's yours now. Yeah that that means some of the door into it will be up football off it. Something on And that's annoying gasoline car. No question that ticks you off your like house you know an you do. I mean the thing is i went. I got a quote from one. Those paint the stem paper. You know the people on this thing and he said well. I can probably fix it five to send and i went. Yeah the problem with that. Is that i don't when he say that there's no way me visualizing like afterwards. He said you know he he the possessing about it was on the curve and your body. Yeah if he's not careful he might crack the pain and then the whole donate repainting. What he's concerned about and don't get me wrong. I understand that this guy a professional. If he says he can't get a hundred percent then he knows what he's doing. My problem is you know he wants to spend hundred twenty hundred thirty. Quit on something that might still be able to see a afterwards and forgive coping for me to dislike with. That's good value and all because it's not the world's biggest dent you know what i mean so i i you know i kind of said to us at all. Wish you could just said either. Yes i can do it now. A calm i say. Now i'm in a really difficult position is like do i chance it and then find them. Not happy with the fakes. So i'm still mulling it over. I'd get it. I probably will probably will says ninety five percents that means it's probably going to be a little dimple right at the body line. This is what he said he said. It's going to be ninety five percent. He said when. I say that it means you'll know it's there because you knew it. Was there already been spa. That's probably then good value because when you re sell the car well this is it. You know. It's at the moment some pcp so ultimately might be given it back. And i don't want get charged again for this damage right. Yeah so You remember in the last tech fan that we did. I talked about having these two new. Pc laptops both of them were foldable screens And then i was very pleased with baltim- so yeah so and when a man with to pc laptops out of the blue i mean what more does he need will. Now i have four. Actually i gave the Lenovo to my daughter right until well to one of my daughters. I've got three. But the second oldest briton vasil three doses by three daughters. So i gave her the lenovo. Because i kind of like the hp with the foldable screen. Better than. we'll novo brian Even though i like the processor butter in in the lenovo yeah But it came down to keyboard and track pattern. I like both of those better in the hp. and for what. I'm going to do with it. Those two things are more important than processor. Yep so like. I said now i have four but i gave one away so now. I'm down to three pc laptops. Yeah but you had to. So where did the other side come from. So the same source Both of these are more traditional laptops. They're not foldable screen laptops the first which so far. I'm very impressed. With is an acer swift three thin and light laptop. It's got a fourteen inch full. Hd isp one hundred percent rb display md razor seven. So it's the same process of the fifty seven hundred u core octo That the one that i gave to britney had got eight gigs of ram so half the ram but not for most people don't even ni- geic right. It's got a five hundred twelve Ssd really i gotta say. This is probably the nicest keyboard i've used outside of a macbook pro and it is back. Let which. I really like Costs seven fifty on amazon. Yeah i've had these. A swiss suissa really well regarded. I like it's got the fingerprint reader. I it's not a touchscreen. And i gotta be honest though. I really like the touch screen on the hp. I really do once you start using it a touchscreen laptop you kind of want another touchscreen laptops yeah. I don't know what you mean. So that's one of them. I just got. I just wanna make an aside. You mentioned the fingerprint marina I'm i'm gonna make a recommendation to all of our listeners. The moment if you have a pc laptop yeah go on. Amazon for about twenty bucks can buy little usb fingerprint reader by one. It will change your life. Yeah you just. You're there but the don't ever use the fingerprint reader exclusively still give it a four digit pinot away with windows ten. You have to won't let you set up on his own. it will also tell you. Got to sell the pin code. I would set up an eight digit pin code. Run the fall But the thing is yeah. It's just it it just makes using the computer so so much. Easier when you've got a fingerprint reader to unlock it often constantly typing in a pin or a password. I know a lot of laptops now will do the condo the camera face recognition thing. That's great you've you have it but you know what's great about fingerprint. Reader is even if you've got a calmed or something like that where you not stand in front of the laptop open the finger With the usb port means that he can do it. i have. I have to remind because my world laptop has an embedded one by keeping my laptop and in a stand. It's an clam. Shell close position. So i can't use the i the camera all the fingerprint reader. So i just have a third party. Usb one plugged into my monitor And i can just touch that any someone and it's just a highly recommended so all three of those laptops i would consider Pro sumer you know. They're not the highest laptops. It's not like a gaming razor or something. But i think for Some looking for a pc laptop all three of these represent really good value must have been really good for me. It was the battery lost in the eissa. Haven't tested that part yet. It's supposed to be twelve hours. But you know i. I don't really trust manufactures say so So those but i kind of popped up. While the easter you know already ordered and so i thought you know what i already got the to the three high end ones. Even though i've given one ways. I've got to high end laptops. What about the low end. So they offered me a link plus linc nc p l u s linked plus fourteen inch laptop intel. Solomon it's the end thirty three fifty which is a great ship. Only has four gigs of ram. It's got sixty four e. m. c. storage. Yeah which also upgradable to five hundred. It's got windows ten s. Which is kinda locked down And it says full. Hd mini metal p. c. runs for two eighty nine is that the p. three The what the laptop is his linked plus p. three. I think it might be. Yeah they they do. Apparently they do a p. two or p. three so i'm not sure this is probably the p. three then The problem with these laptops. It's a no name brand is you won't find reviews than the mainstream sites you'll only find them on the weight eyesight beer so he And then sometimes they'll as i've never heard of linked plus now i haven't on yeah and Just taking it out of the an setting it up. That's all. I've ever really done with that. I spent maybe fifteen minutes with it. It was late. I had to go to bed. It was the night before. I was taking my sequoia in to find out what the problems is so i was kind of distracted. But my initial impressions were pretty shitty The track pad is maybe one of the worst. I've ever used. It literally. Felt like it was sticking points Way too much flex in the was that here or there. That was the cats getting into something. Somewhere it. Just it feels cheap. The keyboard typing on the keyboard is really bad It looks like a good laptop when you look at it on amazon but it is not. The screen is dim in not really washed out but compared to the other three. It just doesn't compare. It doesn't seem to get bright enough. I keep wanting to turn up the brightness and it's maxed out i would say though because it is a window so you think well. Here's the windows laptop for less than three hundred bucks. If you're gonna spend that kind of money just get a chromebook because i think a chromebook would be better than this is well. Okay so i'm gonna fight chromebook at that price point devils. I'm going to play havoc it here. I know chromebooks pretty well. I have a still have a kremlin he used on occasion. The problem we chromebooks. Is they great until you is like using an ipad. It's great until you find. You want to do something that you can't do because it's a chromebook aren ipad. Yeah i law such as well people by these by these computers school get they find and you can get web versions of word. Excel powerpoint all of the office staff. You can get outlook on there. You can do the google docs thing on any of these computers. But then they find they need to run the local program that only runs on windows and they and they can't run it because the crime but won't do that and the difficulty with that. Is that you then end up in these really upset highly technical work arounds to try and make something where there's not designed to do more people chromebooks will now if you read on the online about that much go where your books lennox can just run. Run a lennox instance and do what you need to do in there. But that's really kinda hard at nicole or you can run the android app but the android app might have limitations. Doesn't work properly on the crime book so sometimes even though you are getting a crappier compe- sir. If you need windows you need windows and if you only have three hundred dollars the the only thing i would say is as terrible as i'm sure a three a two thousand nine windows laptop is it still blows my mind that you can get full windows laptop. That's all money. Because when you and i started in computing yeah. Laptops were thousands of dollars. And even when i first got into the mac you're looking well over thousand dollars. It was only when the The net books came out all of a sudden the price of laptops drops so of an affordable level for many people. Yeah and sometimes you want a new machine with a warranty that runs windows. And sometimes if if you've only got the this is all you can afford then. This is all you can afford. Here's the thing david. If i'm gonna spend this kind of money i'm probably not so worried about a warranty. Well i i. Wouldn't i would seriously look instead of this. I will look at a surface pro three or four. I right around the same money. I used on ebay. Don't get me wrong if i was in that position. That's exactly why would do all good a premium machine. That was used. Yeah and try and find a good one for that money but the difficulty is is some people you could do that easily. We know what we're buying. We know what things look for. We you know we pretty savvy buyers on ebay and amazon and all these other places we kinda know what you're doing a lot of people don't and i'm thinking about somebody who's you know. They finished high school. They're gonna go to community college. Yeah and they need a laptop to do that because the college says you need to have a windows laptop and they. They don't have a lot of money. And these machines. Terrible as the. How are lifesavers for people like that and that is somebody wants a warranty because you know if you buy a used machine off craigslist or facebook marketplace or something like that and after six weeks it breaks and suddenly files in it. Then you've lost that money you've lost that three hundred dollars a lot. People can't afford that. So i i agree completely with everything you've said about this machine. Yeah i am delighted that they exist and that they are option for people. We'll see after. I abuse it for a little while to see if the light stays there. I mean i will say it's really easy to upgrade the ssd. It's it's basically two screws on the back and it's right there. Well that's great because that's one of the real one of the sixty four just often no not. Emc and that really will hamper performance. The fact that you can put a full. Ssd in there is not great. I think as is is excellent because putting a fast assist in a computer can really transform its performance where you get a fast. Sst and that's gonna cost another one hundred bucks there. You're still at half the price of one of these other laptops though you still. Yeah that's right but you you've still got somewhere to go and the other thing is that if you're if you have if you have access to an external nusa And you can put foster assist in that then you can extend the life of that machine without spending a lot of money and also you can. You can start to mitigate perhaps some of its failings because obviously the screen is not great at least when you using it back in the dorm or becca time have omarosa And then you can. You can get better. Performance got a card slot. It's got a usb to port on three and a half d. c. n. Usb three port a mini admi in a usb c port. So i will give it credit. I mean it's got more ports than the highest and mac book pro. Does that saying a lot. I agree but still. It's well yes it so it's got some things working for it but it's still that sell your on processor. Which at this point in time is just. It's so outdated. I mean well it depends his his thing. It depends on what what settler on is to be honest. I mean intel's naming chips is so is such a mess. Now you actually have to look end. Three five one ever to figure out what shes three. Three five zero processor. One point one gigahertz base frequency up to two point. Four gigahertz burst which is yeah so. Yeah it's really crappy pry no. I know from some stuff. I've read that. Some of the seller owns are terrible. An ancient in terms of what may on some of the moms site up intel seller on n. Thirty three fifty that. See what pops up on this morning so this is. This is an apollo like which is not you know. Yeah that's it's not as bad as a seller on from ago but it's pretty pretty basic. Yes yes as a provides a very basic performance is suitable only for nine demanding routine computering computing tasks. But then. what's the market for this. Somebody who's going to do some email checking and maybe a little bit office and run the occasional demanding windows programmers. Probably okay the the key thing here versus the chromebook is windows compatibility and then you know that may go away in time this talk of much this launching a kind of a cloud. Pc service where you can pay you know five ten dollars a month. Maybe something like that and get access to a windows. Pc that runs in as much as azer so you. Just connect to over a browser. Now at that point you know these machines then die because you might you be better off doing that and having the chromebook then having one of these but at the moment why you need local if need local windows compatibility then you know this option and basic is an is. Let's let's be honest. This is very very basic bureau. Yeah but having said that it is better than on just looking at some space here is better than atoms from from a couple years ago. You really ideally if you want a seller on you want something in the in the four thousand rain to the nvr thousand rather than the end. Three three three thousand ranges up you know. And as i say. I still think i still prefer the amd raisin. Yeah bryson better chips. They are but i. M d is not really serving the very bottom end of the market. The moment and i am sure they these sorts of chips is. What's keeping intel afloat right now. What's gotta be say except people using computers. Not as often as i have in the past. If i see one it's always one two computers. It is a surface pro or it is a either macbook pro macbook air. I see a lot of errors. And i think a lot of people for their laptops or going back now. Yeah and i think that's hurting intel and you know it is because intel's all the commercials now are attacking apple. Yeah which is kinda sad when you want you like really is. That's this is you're gonna attack your competition. Yeah that's is never a good strategy in the federal review suggest your products cannot speak for themselves. Well here's the thing if you're already a mac user commercials aren't going to sway you to switch to pc yet if you're in a pc it didn't matter anyways so who. Who are. they advertising this towards well. I think they all worried about people. Hearing how great the m one is And saying we. We want to switch to a mac from a pc. And here's what intel doesn't seem to get is an advertising what usually gets people as a positive note not attacking the and you know. This is amateurish on their end. Well i think. I think they're desperate to be honest. I think they're bismarck. Massive hit i think covert has really affected them. Know him you know. In terms of their manufacturing. They've got a huge manufacturing problem because they're process they own all their own foundries and their process development has stalled have not been able to get You know the one of the things that the one is a five nanometer chip and when you go to fight go the the smaller your you'll die. Process goes to five hundred meters or below then the more power efficient. The chips are the normally the faster they are so the problem is intel is falling behind in part because they can't manufacture chips as efficiently as tsmc other people can and that they've got to fix that problem and that's not an advertising problem. That's a pure engineer original poem and they've been start they can't do. They can't default nanometer volume and they've been trying to do for about three years so they've got a real issue an existential issue because at the moment they're running the risk a falling of looking like they're falling behind as well. Yeah exactly yeah. That's another thing is is given the amd and opportunities really come up with a a high chips in chips at our performs intel. I also they can offer to the market at less money than intel charges. Cry intel's strategy at the moment. All these high chips are selling now. We'll start and become eight core chips because they they back off the performance they're not getting from their processes by putting more calls in but that that's the only strategy and it's it's ultimately it's effective in terms of power and coudl what you need in a lot so you need And great thermal efficiency so they get they really are up against it and you know. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure they'll get there eventually. But i think the advertising just is just a responsive. They know their backs are against the wall. And they're trying to trying to prevent the narrative of people knowing their backs against the wall. You know. I don't think it's gonna work out while for them no. I don't think i don't think so. I think you know they've they've they've really. They followed a bmw strategy of pricing themselves up behind the market making big profits and margins on those and unfortunately now they've been technically left behind in space because apple is there Other manufacturers there. I m going. That and intel does not have products that compete well So all of a sudden overlooking boever lemon well covid. Yeah covy is a double edged sword. Because obviously it's it's bumped up the demand for computers because all of a sudden people need more at a laptops. Well yes no. It's not just computers though. It's their chip businesses. What's the problem that one of the big problems that everybody's having house. There's just such a shortage of chips and intel can't step in and help the automotive industry and the electric industry And i'm not even talking about computers yet so intel's got a big problem right now. I think that What's going to come out of. This shortage is a huge shift. In how many are producing Chips and i think you're gonna see some really kind of surprising. Upstarts that are gonna come in and start filling this void and that's going to also chip away no pun intended but kind of Intel's dominance in in computer chips and so You probably heard that microsoft is expected next week to geneva asian windows. We noticed ally windows eleven year. Yeah which windows ten within you interface on it is not really windows. Eleven and the fact that they've gone down that route of saying we need to rebrand windows to me very much smacks of pc manufacturers and perhaps the people who put processes in those pc's coming to microsoft and say you know what a new vision windows really jesus market because very often people say all new version. I must need a new computer And i wonder what the discussions have been between in telemark soft over that because it was very very surprising when suddenly became a week became a way though. When does eleven was coming because not only that it was coming is been lace of a version got leaked out there. I've already seen a video with playing with a clean. I will say that but it still does in fact. It looks very clock which i find. I find the amazing. That's all. That's i don't know why i mean. That's what windows has been doing since day. One was yeah aping. What apple was doing. They started going down their own path. But here they are coming right back to wells apple to paul and their unused rejected it. I mean windows. Eight was very very different and so windows ten. They probably windows. Vista's is when they really started making that change over windows seven with all the gloss transparent stuff and their windows. Eight tried to change actually the whole way. The operating system looked works Windows ten was a a retrench. The things win san has been. You know they've been on this kind of windows service model. I think a lot people expecting than to just keep windows ten and it was always just going to be changing but the would be no radical. This does eleven windows. Ten is a nice solid operating system. I don't care what anybody says. Yeah i use. I could use windows. Ten is might may machine all day. Long if i had to notice i said had to because if i have a choice i'm still gonna use the mac. Yeah yeah no i. i'm the same. I'm in the same place but You know it's going to be interesting. I do wonder whether intel said too much you. What new vision windows are really help us sell some processes and that's the thing windows and microsoft and intel are still very much in bed together and here's apple pretty much divorcing the rest of the pc industry you know. We're going to do our own software. We're going to do our own hardware. Fight you in court with our app store. Which by the way as i don't think there's been a resolution to that yet. No i think the after the case austral the The atch argue yourself. I think the judge the judge said they were going to think about everything and producer judgment lights. i A suspect in the summer before we hear on that one. Yeah i'm curious about that because I don't want i want apple to win that case and the reason is i don't want to start down the path i don't want see apple's products start on the path where they have to Allow anything to be installed on their phone. That's what well as. I said i've just spent a couple of weeks and android world where that can happen. And you know the they're awesome convenience. Who's with that but the i. Apples argument that they keeping they use a safe. I have some sympathy with. They probably not keeping they use a safe as they say they are And there's a whole separate argument about whether the amount they charged justified nowadays. But i think in general the concept of the of the apple stores. I prefer better than the google ones right. I agree with you there. And i and i'm with you when it comes to the percentage that they give to their partners. This look this is the same pay structure that everybody has been on it till just recently because of this lawsuit all of a sudden. Oh we're going down to eighty five. Fifteen split shocker But they're not doing that with xbox nintendo or sony's game stores it's still seventy thirty And the whole argument of yet but they don't make money on hardware we'll just because they have a bad business plan doesn't mean you know that the the split is still fair. That's exactly i am. I'll go to be honest. i'm kind of. I'm gonna get annoyed with some of the rhetoric coming out of Not just the courts in the us but also the politicians in the us. Which is the idea. That apple is a monopoly of itself because Only apple people can can. The apple can put stuff on apple devices. I really. I really don't agree with that argument. Because you know you could you can you. Could we wait to stop. That means that any supermarket chain is it is its own is its own monopoly. Because they only sell their own products in there and products they choose to sell from other places. And it's like yeah but that's the whole reason that the fe petition there is because you don't supermarket you can go to another super moderate and as i demonstrate to myself a couple of weeks ago i could go to android. They all wanted to yeah. It wouldn't kill me. There is no monopoly when it comes to apple products. There's not you know if they had a smartphone like the iphone and nobody else made a smartphone like that they just couldn't do it. You might be able to make that argument but even then it not really but yeah i. I want apple to prevail simply because I understand why some people don't like the walled garden but good luck with other viruses and mail aware and all that crap have fun and keeping your privacy private eye and and yet again perhaps apple overemphasizes the privacy and there is. There is a legitimate thing to say. Well not all of their solutions. Mean the apple can't see your data so perhaps they're overplaying that but the point is. What is the alternates. If we have no other companies in the industry promoting privacy as a as a feature. Yeah in fact quite the opposite. They don't talk about privacy because they want to steal your data and do all sorts of things with it that most people when they have the processes laid out to you laid out to them go. Yeah want to do that correct. So least the anyone singer as say new gonna put processes in place to try and prevent that from happening. And and i think that's perfectly fine and without that we turn around and say well not allowed to do that loomed over these other cases affect capel's ability stew that ultimately give me the worst place honor so that we're going to wrap up this episode of tech fan. We really appreciate it. Goes out there listening. We love to get feedback from. It's real easy to do some email at the show at technion. Podcasts dot com the show at tech men podcasts. Come you can also send us messages on both facebook and twitter. Just look up and of course. 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TechFan Podcast 460 - Plex Server and XR

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TechFan Podcast 460 - Plex Server and XR

"You're listening to another great podcast and the my neck podcasting network segment podcast. Four hundred and sixty. I'm tim robertson. Joined by david cohen. Hello david hello. So it's Kind of a lazy here in the us. Lazy sunday morning and trying to avoid the news because it just keeps proving over and over how dumb so many people are and So what i do is go to the public. Freakout thing on. read it and It's it's a time sink. I tell ya ya. Yeah it's Yeah it's a big big bag of stupid kind of what it is. I mean you know. I like to be informed a lot of that stuff. They'll show on there is When police do so racial profiling and things like that. That pisses me off. But then there's other times that they'll have a story you're just like that's to- that's not what that was. I just watched one And it actually happened. Not far from me happened in grand rapids michigan. This week There was a realtor showing house. He was black. The father was black. That's looking to buy the house and the sun is black. And they're showing this house and the police show up. Have them come out one by one point handcuffs until they established that this guy is a realtor but the thing was the house was broken into five days before and They arrested that person but he had been let out and the car that the realtor drove was very similar to the car that the guy who broken and also so neighbor had actually called and said that guy's back he's breaking into the house again. Yeah and they said well this is racial profiling and i was thinking No it's not you know the police. They even apologized to the people right then. They were like sorry about this and you know the couch like yeah your car match neighbor calls. It was the same guy. And even then the realtor was like. Yeah i understand. My car does look like that black mercedes and and everything was good. But then after the fact going interview like we think with this racial profiling and i'm thinking I think you're thinking lawsuit is what i'm thinking. I also as well. I'm just looking at clinton now. Not many realtors show people in the house in a white tank top. No i don't either. I mean if if you want to not submerged. Israel's is kind of dress up a little bit for your job. Saying i'm not saying he doesn't have a right no but to show you feel like a painter or something. Exactly their credibility is a really. Yeah yeah exactly when you have a realtor and you like you're you're out for child some some police officers regardless of color. Your skin might say Yeah i'm not sure. I'm buying that until i check it out and they did. They didn't hurt anybody. They pulled them out guns overdrawn which i get. I mean think. Someone's breaking into the house. I know while. I do from this side of the potent you have. We don't have regular von police officers i. I do have some sympathy with the view that if you police the first thing they reach for his gun and that is a dangerous situation no matter what happens. That can go wrong very quickly. I think my personal view is much like applesauce offices here. You have to expect that. There's there is an inherent mount danger involved in your job and that doesn't mean that you get to use potential lethal force all the all the the pro provoked the potentially lethal force. Just every single interaction with somebody. I think drawing gunman somebody As as you'll starting point is a dangerous place to stop from one hundred percent agree but even with that. This was not racial profiling. I don't see that the police did anything wrong they report. They responded to a potential break in someone called this in place show. There are people in the house. He doesn't look like a realtor ways dressed and if it was a century twenty one guy here to head to go check it and everything But you know they pull them out the handcuff them. They checked the id. They see that he is a real at her. The uncover one they apologized. They explain what happened. Officer apologize again and that was it and they're like we're traumatized well. May maybe traumatized because your your realtors dressed like a frigging realtor dress for the job. You want not the job. You have an anomaly. That i mean everyone would be traumatized by being arrested. Sure the police detained yet. But but yeah but having distraction. The police and i do have some sympathy with the fact that obviously as was alluding to recently As a as a black person being arrested by the police there there is a real concern. Might go south quickly so i understand that. But he's not those particular. Police officers fault is not even the person called the cops even though sometimes that is that is the way the racial profiling sales in in this case it does appear to be a case of everybody was doing the right thing and at traumatic as it was. It's what you have to do in society. I in some respects pull the police for responding to in britain. He probably won't get the police come running like that Vassal somebody break into a house. I called the place they will say. We'll send something when we have time. Let's do that right now with Experiment grabby former quick. yeah. I'm looking across the street. I'll just seen that one of my neighbors go back in his co. Police say. I think so they broken in. I saw some warning that house. I didn't recognize them. You do feel straight. I'll dixon line. We'll see he's police response. Quicker you know what and then tomorrow and say. I saw a black man. Gordon across the street in the house. I didn't recognize them. Joking we joking. But the the clicks on On it will take top. People do stuff like that. But i will say if you call and say i i think i saw. The guy won't going into the house over there. He didn't look familiar. And you say it was a a a young black man. I i bet you would see a faster response there while i know in Insulted zinc where. I live here Basically all the locals are on the same kind of level of You know the the racial thing because is much less of a deal because All the all the white people here just to be criminals by people in britain is multicultural sliced in the states. Is that you know old. All of our people here is just as criminals in this world anyway so role they are here to actually in fact more white people are criminals in the us. Than i would say i would say is probably it's probably a good fifty fifty mix No i would assume that it's probably more white people if you have more white people you're going to have more people that are white committing crimes and you're gonna have of other races committing crimes that's just demographically. That's what it is so anyway. I think i think we beyond our rounds of expertise now but we don't get back. Yeah so i see you got and you kind of talked about this in the chat with me Text anyways that you got fiber. Now what's going on. You finally got good internet. Wait six years my long national nightmare over. So yeah we we saw all the all the Infrastructure into structure. Put into the ground in the uk is done by one company could bt openreach. Want and she really part bt anymore And so if you want internet no matter who you get it from you want to get cable from a cable company and there's only one or two cable companies in the uk is not ubiquitous. Lucky is in the us and it's not that here either. Well the communities have more than one cable provider. Well yeah but he has very few communities have even a cable provider because cable. Tv was never really big thing here. So you ought to get your insight through through the cable company. Tv cable company. And there's only one or two vise or you get it from infrastructure. Put him by openreach but then because they been privatized as provided by another company bt or themselves but it's all that's the provided as one national infrastructure. So you can only get what you've got econ. You can't have a competing company coming in better service in. it's all provided by the same underlying infrastructure. So when we moved into this house which was brand new when we moved into it and we watched it being built before we before we moved in We disappointed fund. We could not get anything. That's better than dsl connection which between four and five megabits per second depending on how busy the network was that day and was it was re we struggle with that for for a few years. It really was quite terrible Getting yeah i well. I'm still doing it now but not not on four g. but for a long time up in record in the show through my final four g. to speak to you just because i couldn't rely on the local incident wrote so the last few years last couple years i've been using We we started. We switched to a four g connection using a mobile rutter talking to local four g. network and that was faster and then in the last Since we went down. I switched to five g. Which is much much faster. But the problem with even with five g. is that Is not stable. It depends on what's going on with the network and also as well sometimes the weekends it would go off completely because the five g. obama was being worked on all him structures being words on And we kind of had to protect it. I only put certain devices on it. Because i didn't want also to to be using it too much and half the network threatened me. So that's been a little bit up and down as well but last summer we saw openreach vans in the area. And they'd be kinda working back and forth and we we kept on. All people kept asking the engineers. Oh does this mean we'll get into here. We'll get hints and of course the engineers will go. Oh yes sure. It was without actually really knowing Because they would just putting cables in the grounds And it's it's gradually be beaten been becoming available on different parts of the estate I've lost source six months. And i just happened to see a facebook post from somebody saying oh you know it looks like i can order it now so And this is going. Yeah we'll i've tried to order it. And they said no so. I went online and had look on the right places to check so i sold openreach themselves. Were saying we had five here now but most of the companies except for bt were saying we still couldn't get it presumably because databases hunt been updated so in order for the fastest thing. i could buy And i spent the the next five days waiting for the engineers succumb waiting for an email to say all. Sorry we have say you can't have it an even the day. The guy arrived. He kind of pulled something up the front the house and put a probe down. And then it stalked. I said all dots blocks is it. He went up. And i thought i was white from say. Oh you can't have it. Then he said. I need to call some of these fix that so somebody came out Within about two and a half hours. I had Blissful nine hundred megabits per second fiber directly to the house pretty awesome. Well it's it's awesome. These actually faster the my wifi site. The way cannot see the actual speed is of got one computer. My lex machine which is plugged far ethan darlene. So the jack and so. I can see the atrophied there but all the other y find the house is about half as much as what the internet speed coming can provide. I'm dope that your wife island. Well yeah that. That's what i'll do is he's obviously also looking upgrading devices a often. We'll have you now now. You don't need anything complex or as robust as a mesh network or anything do you not not really the house. Because the house is he ripped him. Houses are very small Coverage yeah the house is quite narrow Is tall is three stories rather than to so am. I don't really need a mesh. I've put an extender. Just like a a lack of re booster down in the In the kitchen at the back. So i can use the internet and the garden because the roots are weather reza comes in for the fibers. That the front house on the middle floor thoughts right front. Meanwhile i'm recording now. But i i want to use it in the garden. It's a little bit far away for the wi fi so off. Just put a booster in there. So that i can reach out on a different network from the garden. If i'm working the garden but inside the house is fine. You get coverage everywhere. So i'm looking forward to the day that we don't have to worry about your slow network speeds anymore. Well this is the day. Yeah yeah no. I mean but you know once you get the better wifi while i don. I just checked on the devices. I'm using here and get four hundred fifty megabits wi fi here isn't can. It's not going to be a problem will discuss this on the next Geeks pub but Suicide squad came out on. Hbo max the new suicide squad on the seat last night with his with his lady. Friend so i you know i wanted to see this movie. The the trailer looks great and brooklyn well felix and i Washed last night. And i have to say the. Hbo max app for roku sucks. Yeah it's just terrible. I mean it's slow. I thought there was something wrong with my networks jumped over to youtube and it was streaming and bringing it down very very fast. Knows hiccups know anything. And then i go back to. Hbo max and that's it stuttering for the first minute or so. And i'm just like whoa whoa. Hbo is a big company. You know their own. By warner brothers. They have cash. Why am i getting a crappy app at this point in time. I don't i don't get it. You know 'cause they they announced they're going to have all these first run movies this year in two thousand twenty one open on. Hbo max and the theaters same day. Yep it's if ac- exactly it's for the same reason why you combine expensive car on the further down towards the flow you get the more plastic the interior becomes. It's purely because they think they can get away with cutting some costs down there. Eight people h. Max think they can get away with having crappy out rahvam brilliant app because their attitude is well if it works and people seeing the movies. That's good enough. They don't care the use experience socks. You're you're you're not roller every remote on every you've as adults they're all terrible every one of them. Yeah it's disappointing. But i mean at once. We got past that first minute. We were getting four k. Down and You know mike. Tv hcr so it looked great. No question yeah in the audience was great and all that but it was just disappointing. That i it. It delayed us watching the movie. Five minutes just checking to see if there was something wrong other than the app itself and no it was the app. I didn't even know that that movie was available on streaming because state in the theater. Well it is in the us. I don't know if they released it digitally. Yeah but you know. Remember this whole warner brothers thing saying because of cove nineteen. They're gonna release every movie in theaters and on. Hbo max day to day day off and there's one coming up on probably looking forward to the most And i think it's at the end of the year the saints of smoke boy. I'm going to say the saints of newark Soon this is supposed to come out. October first This one. i'm really looking forward to the Synopsis is young. Anthony soprano so right there. So this is a pre sopranos movie right and the kid playing anthony. Soprano is the actor son. Okay and boy does. He looked like his dad. So i'm looking forward to that one Not i mean. That's october seemed like a while away. But it's really not you know that's two months. Yup no wait. We definitely not not to get into this dog days of summer thing. Where over suddenly. The many think of newark aright. But yeah you realize the end of the year is kind of barreling toward you need realize michael gandolfini is playing tony stark or twenty dollars. Tony soprano now. That'd be who different. Well let's let's hope the cannot did you. Have you ever watched sopranos not really. Yeah never senior. So that's the end of the tech fan this week. We'll be back with my new co host next week speaking of cost. I do wanna give a shout out to guy searle for joining me last week. You were sick or not last week week before last year. The last episode of tech fan. you were ill in guy. Graciously stepped in very early in the morning on a sunday to do a show with me and it was nice talking to guy again. You know. yeah yeah. It was good. It was good. Show very interesting Hearing about his deaths his sign. Setups i will those of us on facebook. That are friends with guy got to see a he has so many audio inputs in processors and i just don't know why exactly i mean i get it. He likes the stuff. There's nothing wrong with that more power to them. Why do you need that much stuff for what you're doing. Is this video on facebook and then recording audio. Yeah well i. I think we all know that that. Like cells guys again hound. I think i'm throwing a little. But i guess he's he's on that ceaseless search for the perfect setup found the perfect setup. There would be some new gadget that he'd have dry. Yeah exactly nothing wrong with that. I know exactly and find the thing. I'm talking to you. Well now the broadcaster is i. I saw one wing guy had the maxed few yup. Yeah so. I have something kind of going on a little bit here. Okay tell me more so you don't part of that amazon thing. I get free. Well they had sent me a free pc but it's one of the many pc's but it's very powerful. And i think. I discussed already that. I set it up as a gaming machine. You talk about it on the sherifi. Yeah and it set up on my tv now here in the office But there's one thing and i'm going to be honest. I've been wanting to do this for a very long time. And i just wouldn't. I was just never pulling the trigger on it because it was good enough as it is. But i wasn't really happy with the set up and that was my plex media server. It's literally running on my mac that i use every day and I didn't like the fact that there was no reason to run it on the mac as if i was doing other things and it decided it was going to do update or it was going to start and coating some stuff it with throw. It would slow things down a little bit. yeah and plus i. I'll be honest with you. I don't think the mac handles streaming content to other devices as well as windows. Does i think windows does it better. I know mac people out there. Like oh my god. No it doesn't i i. Actually i think it does well. I think the thing behind anything like plex is that Whichever system you running on. Ideally want something standalone. You don't want something that you're using something else correct And the difficulty with doing that. With a mac is that that's quite expensive because mexico expensive and it seems like to anybody's ever used a mac for a long time it seems like such a waste deploy to just stream media whereas with a windows foxy kinda. Go get a cheap windows box we want. Which is what i do. I have uninvite underneath my new fiber research wifi thoughts. I have my little whenever thinks think censo- which is the same sort of thing you're talking about a little tiny half the size of a mac mini box that that basically just the plex streaming streaming and doesn't do anything else. It said nothing lettuce. I'm gonna want to download something. I just all dp Ease remote dessel connection from microsoft into it. Take remote control of on my device on i download what i and unstick on this local drive so i can stick it in the plex store so i have like. I said this little mini pc. But i've kind of dedicated that to gaming and i don't want that to do double duty. Yeah plus i mean. I don't want to hook up a bunch of hard drives and all that stuff to it. So so in. Their graciousness amazon is offered me A desktop many p. c. six gigs of ram one hundred twenty eight M sadah ssd intel seller on windows ten blah blah blah. i It does have Either net as well but it's a little tiny computer. And i you know what i'm probably going to do it. This is going to be my flex server. So i've got that. I bought two six terabyte Seagate hard drives to connect to you really have that much content. I'm running my current. One is a five terabyte drive and it's about eighty percent fall. Okay fair enough so was about to go one. Twenty eight gig flash drive in mind you. I share my library with you. Give you years of content So now one of those drives is going to be the drive itself. The other one is simply going to be the backup. So it's going to have its own backup. Yeah i don't need you know. Twelve twelve terabytes of online stores. Six is fine. And i don't add as much as i used to In fact i might add. I add family videos and stuff so we can watch videos on the tv. But i don't really download anything to it. Like i used to anymore. No because because everybody seems everything now. Yeah but i still want redundancy. I still want that backup. Yep i do have to look into what's the best for cloning. A drive on the fly as changes are made on windows. I haven't done too much of that. I mean unimak carbon copy corner done so there's a there's actually a thing called wise sink. Which is what. I tend to use And it works a little bit like a not. It's not carbon. Copy kleiner because come copy. Kleiner is a bit level thing. This is Turn on his co. now the effectively. What it does is it. Is it sets up a folder your monitoring and then any changes in that fall immediately copied to a to a different folder. So you can do it for driving for foley process sub folders and it just keeps them in sync all the time and for media. That's all you need because you not bothered about bit level copies bubble there Underlying drive system sesame just want the falls themselves exert. It had a always and will handle differential copies as well. So he's only changes at one record the entire file and it's available for free and it's really quite. It's many older windows. Piece of software is not the most attractive pieces so for in the world but it does the job. And i honestly this is all going up. I bought so. I bought two drives I bought a little shelf. That's kinda could figure a bill for the two drives and the media server and it's gonna sit on my desk maybe Behind my mac but the problem is it's a rat's nest back there you know. I've got power strips and all that kind of stuff back there wires going everywhere. So when i do this. This is not going to happen today. When i do this. I'm going to redo all my power back there. So i bought I'm trying to guess. But i'm just gonna read a tape right off a power strip Twelve outlets with four usb about two of those But something else. I've been kind of meaning to do and i just never did it. We all have those stupid bricks power bricks and you plug that into strip. And then you've killed two or three of your outlets in that strip. Yeah so what i bought was A my eighty m. I a dui a my eighty short power extension cord A ten pack. I got two of them so twenty. Yep i think guy gives that give you that. Did he did. And i knew about this a long time ago. But i always i s- things that you just don't remember new. Forget about so what that fresh in my mind. I bought two twenty packs to redo all my power in the back. And this way. I'll have so many of them. I can leave. A couple plugged in and just kind of free if i ever need to plug something into it. So that's that's a problem that we don't tend to face uk because all sockets much much bigger than yours there about four times the size of yours. So it's quite rare for a power break to actually boca off the jason. Sock it to it. I know it's a big problem in the us. it's huge. I you know. I've got one sitting behind My life track right now. That is an eight strep. And i've got four. Things plugged into it. And i can't let anything else into it. So when i lost redid my my desk which my homeworking desk i bought a Twelve white tamwe sef sockets so we actually looks like is like celinda with sockets on three sides. Espn one side And that's pretty good for not taking up too much space. When you got loads of power brakes because obviously everything goes vertically wrong horizontally And it also makes the cable management much easier because you can get will. The cables of the things that are going to be permanently plugged into that. And you can then tight mapo put wraps around the mall. Something like that to try and stop them tuning into rashness on the floor right My biggest problem right now is copying four and a half four terabytes of data to these drives because these drives shipped. I didn't realize it and windows. Nt us yeah. And max can read them but they can't write to them. Oh yeah the the white to do it. The way i would do is Is sell the the plex. Pc plugged into it and then run a put an ethernet cable during the computer. Do everything it. Still be kinda slow. Well it'll be slow. Yeah but the thing is you just leave it running them because they ethan is reliable enough that it will. It will just chain through until it's done because your other option unfortunately would be to get some sort of ntfs driver rohingya mac and plus the drive darlene to it. You don't wanna do that because that stuff goes down in the colonel level on aac mate you system on stable and you have to pay for it because the only tools on aware of that can fuse. You see well too but it can't do it anymore because Fuse hasn't been updated for ages so you'd have to get some of a from a company called paragon allows it to read. Ntfs drives reading about twenty bucks. Yeah i know you've still got to pay for it and install it and then hope it doesn't mess you system up I've used it in the of never been particularly thrilled with the stability. They also do something. I think a bit more expensive the which works the other way round which allows windows machines. Read mac drives. Yeah i don't want to say you. Debbie don't want to do that because you won't in windows format because it's growing on a windows. Computer i would. I would definitely vote. In that position i would. I would definitely string ethan. That between the machines enough she do it that way and then you can leave it running overnight and not worry about it. I'm yeah might just do that. But what am i. You drive is amazon. Sent me is damaged. It's not showing up. So i gotta return and get a replacement. Yeah but i'm not gonna probably do most of this until next weekend anyways when i have my my long weekend if you will. Yeah so just. I you know i just kind of wanted only and let's be honest. I don't turn my mac off at all because it's running that server. Yeah i found. If i put it to sleep and i wake up sometimes Plex won't for whatever reason will just kind of stopped responding doesn't like sleep. plex is yes. It's a great piece of software. It's amazing the things that it can do but it. it sometimes is a little bit flaky. I mean i ca jan things where i put stuff in my library and it will appear on my on the flex machine itself so the way plates works is effectively cradle away patriots interface. Which i don't like personally. I don't like the fact this running local web server doing that. But that's the way it works so i i sometimes put media into the plex server and then go into the weapons face on the plex service check. It's been scanned and is available and it shows up and i go downstairs. Michael tv and far at the plex app ended. Econ see the new stuff. I don't know whether it's a permanent plex client will lick serve. But it's really annoying because normally in this situation the people sat there waiting to watch the thing you've just put on there and isn't it And sometimes i. There are some things as well won't play through the plex client on the apple. Tv that will play through infused which might video client. I presume that a full my issue which have not been on salt go through the downside of using a seller machine that you're going to be doing is you can't really do on the fly trans kiting very well. Because normally that does need a powerful machine but The the the the way without ev- i encountered that situation is i just said the thing to rian code in the background to you. Something that's that's more More friendly to my devices in the house. Don't leave a non rush. it's a. I just think from power management standpoint. It's just going to be better to run the whole thing on a tiny little. Pc that's not drawing a lot of power yeah and my plex ever He goes to sleep I also have it set to go sleep. Because i don't need it running all the time as long as it will wake up when something wants to talk to it and i found that plex on a windows is pretty good at that so My one is regularly asleep and only when you find complex client. If i do on my computer i can see the thing kind of burst into life and look green light in the front flashing which means the drive is working and it just comes on and so you've got the best of all worlds then you've got dedicated machine but it also even though it's a little tiny thing is also not consuming that much pow when you're not using it for i tell you it's been a while returning anything amazon doing it while we were chatting here all right okay. Yeah i pretend stuff sometimes. Well i'm well. I'm well versed. Yeah so it says. I just drop off at ups. Store says do not box or label your return. Okay you just very. Yeah because normally what they do is they put it in in a special amazon poll theme bank and then they put labels on it and they print it all for you send off however depends on when they say a. Ups store depends on when you go way. You're going here in britain's quiet lot of what we call the. Ups tools like newsagents and convenience stores. We on was actually Okay so what earn code. I've had. I've had mixed results of guarding him with something on boxed to to a ups still. There's actually convenience store because sometimes it's not something they don't do very regularly and you know these guys working convenience stores they don't like doing it the old myths ups store so so why i sometimes get a little bit of huffing and puffing when i do that so actually what i tend to do nowadays and this is the great the best service i found for amazon returns. I keep amazon cobbled from stuff that comes in so wherever we've got boxes available and then what i do anything need to return package up and then you can drop into these lockers not not just amazon walkers two or three companies that use lockers here to walker but then the yulia was closer. Yeah the look is for me a great because that means i can go anytime of the dialogue. I don't worry about a thing. being open. and also it means that placing in and making sure is collected is basically ma responsibility and then the company that's picking it's up responsibility and i find that stuff tends to go missing less often than if i drop it to a convenience store. Newsagent where sums. i. Don't i don't think most of the time is things missing. It's because somebody's stolen them. But i think you know it falls behind a counter or get kicked to the side I and then it just gets missed and then it's disappeared and then you get into a whole business about well. Did you drop it off. Who took it from your little the lock. Is you kind of he scan it. They know you've put it in and then it's their problem. What's funny is returning something to amazon. Which don't i'll say. I don't do hardly ever. I can't remember the last time. I had to return anything amazon. But i just watched talking within forty eight hours a twenty five minute news thing out of canada about what happens to our e-waste now this was right before the pandemic It was in two thousand nineteen like october or something like that and they put trackers inside their electronics and other stuff to see where these things are going and it actually doesn't ever go back to amazon. It goes to these companies. That amazon pays to take care of their returns. And these things aren't even looked at they. Get it back at these places. This is probably what's going to happen to my drive. It goes to these places They stack them in on pallets and eventually they just sell the pallet to places. Yes while this thrown away. Yeah the well the throwing away here. In britain thereof there have been hidden videos and things like that of what happens to waste in amazon warehouses from disgruntled workers and they are trashing an awful lot of perfectly good stuff. Now call it was. It was the questions in parliament about list because people were so annoyed a appeared. The amazon was destroying pretty much everything that went back for. It says now amazon. The uk said. Oh no well we gonna stop labeling those those dumpsters as destroy because we don't destroy most of the stuff. Most of the stuff is either sent to professional recyclers or is donated or is repaired and resold But we just put destroy only pallets in the warehouse so that people know where to put stuff. I'm going to change that wording. Yeah okay depends how trustful you are. If amazon says how much you believe that But there is a suspicion that awful lot the really cheap stuff you say matt amazon just gets thrown away. I'm which is is very very concerning because you you know you. And i are both technically responsible and we. We have some awareness of the environment and that sort of thing and we don't really want that to happen. I mean the reality is if we will really cared about the us in the first place but they go. That's unconvenient speaking of Big companies and trust you know. This story is everywhere right now. And let's be honest the average person out there. That's listening to this show Maybe misinformed simply because of the wildly different headlines and stories and articles being written and talked about on youtube and on other podcasts. About what apple has done here and it is Apples come out with this thing. We're gonna start scanning for child abuse and child porn pictures yet. The the difficulty with the stories. Yes it's fall nuance than can fit to a headline or even the average tech supporters tech rice's first couple of paragraphs because they wanna grab the reader in the first couple of paragraphs and the problem is it's been wildly misreported. The you know the the the summary thing that people screaming about yeah apples scandal. You pitches for poor people. Joe child child child porn but it is for porn is now. They've the problem is people who have porn on the phones of worry. We'll worry that they inadvertently will do something that we like to child porn because they have somebody who looks particularly young or something like that and obviously if you start looking for naked bodies one step beyond kids naked bodies swelled up naked bodies. That's what that's one of the reason people getting so upset about. This is because they're worried about their personal privacies being invaded by apple. But the unfortunately the reality of the story is far different than that. Apple is apple is got to wrong strategy. Here first of all they want to push back against law enforcement and politicians particularly in the states where they operate who say apple's encryption and their end to end encryption means that we can't chat catch child abuse so they have come up with a system that is specifically designed to identify child abuse images wall not breaking people's privacy and the fact that even doing that obviously has upset some privacy organizations who say as soon as you do anything like that. You're opening up a back door which is dependent on your interpretation might be very slightly true but then it's child pornography so what what what do you want to do in. The difficulty is very difficult to i think is a really fine line to defend people's privies while in this circumstance while not making it sound like you're saying are way you know child child pornography is the price you have to pay for protecting people's privacy but the system they have this for and the other thing is there is two systems that are implementing talking about implementing. Here one is not to do child pornography. but it's a do child abuse and that is And also for they're also trying to deal with sexting so what they're doing is they're saying that if you opt-in for a child account is under twelve and they use i message then they will on the phone scan those scan any pictures going through. I message for anything that looks like nudity and then we'll flanked up if they if it looks like that's happening and the reason behind that it's trying to stop creeps. Basically talking young kids into an ammo. When i say creepy might not even be. It might be peers as well as child as you know. Adult child abuse that trans stop discouraged. Young kids from sending nike pitched themselves through our message. And yeah and it's very hard. I think for even the most privacy conscious to argue against that because that sounds like a very good thing today is running on the phone. He's using the ai. Processing on the fine is not being done in the cloud. yeah And what they what they going to be doing is they're just gonna be blocking the images and not can be reporting it to anybody. They're not going to be flagging up to parents. They're just gonna say if the phone thinks. That is a naked image. And i'm the user of the account is on the twelve. There's not going to send or receive the image right. So that's the first thing and then the second thing is this other thing which is the scanning and they fingerprinting and with the fingerprinting what they're gonna do. Is the national center for child. Abuse has a database of known distributed char pornography images. And what they what they do. Is they hash. Those they cruise about graphically analyze them and produce cryptographic fingerprint of each one. They shanna day space with apple. Apple's going to put it on your phone and then apple's going to run on the phone processing of images in your library if they go out to cloud and it's going to say it's going to flank to itself any images that match right so the the images have to be identical and when he finds a match what he's also going to do is say what he calls a a safety voucher which is a low risk copy of the image. And then if you have a set number of too many of these and it looks like you might be collecting child pornography images. Then that will be flagged out to apple and there's somebody will be touched to discuss that with you and look at the images nuts also thing The worst job in the world. Well yeah it must be but any bill. Anybody works chop protection has to deal with this starts is offered child protection of father of four I i don't. I couldn't do that job. I i would be so angry in mad all the time a punisher going after some of these well i i would imagine if you work in that field. You like anything else like you soon. I don't think i could. I really don't think i could. I couldn't i couldn't handle it. I couldn't see that kind of stuff. And and stay sane. I i would go insane seeing seeing children man and this is the thing is is that fine line saying if you look at why pool of done and is that for stop. They're only looking at a for for that second thing where they're looking for these child child image fingerprints. They're processing the things on the phone. They're only looking at your images of you already. Share them with apple anyway cloud. It won't do this right. And that's the permission aspect to basically you authorize apple to do this because if you're sharing them in the cloud you're already saying while the all i'm happy for my voice to be potentially looked at right But also is not analyzing the is not looking at the content of the images. All it's doing is fingerprinting amusing this out. One way algorithm the copy reversed so. There's no way even if they were to send even if they were sending that fingerprint of every single vote on your phone up to apple and they were giving that the fbi the in the fbi have no way of knowing what those pictures looked like because they have is is a number right and it's only the numbers match with something in the database that they know that potentially and obviously the math. This very works out. It's really really unlikely. Fees again false passive under this system but but that is what they're doing now reporting is problem reporting as apple is inspecting your pitchers right looking for child pornography and to tell the fbi. Oh that's part of it. The the i think the bigger part of it is company era countries like china are going to demand apple start inspecting photos for dissent and for you know People in hong kong who are pushing back. I pose apples response to that is well. We running the system. The government is not therefore we can refuse to do whatever they ask so we asked. That's the thing i don't do. You trust apple. The push back against the chinese government going no. We're not going to comply. Well i think the by by adopting this system and making that a possibility. I can only presume that they are because they must recognize that the that this is and this is the slippery slope argument. The wants this technology exists. You can then use it to try and find cryptographic matches of dissenters or You know i think Examples was these pictures of the president of china compared to winnie the pooh really want him up and he's been putting people in prison for it. So one of those is circulating. Could could apple be asked to identify those on people's phones well the two aspects of it first of all apple has now because they can say people. If you don't use cloud photo we don't use this tunnel so you know that could be saying to people in china. You know if you don't want the gum looking at trying to check you photos don't use. I cloud photo library. And the second thing is yeah. They could just point blank and say no. We're not going to do that now. That will have ramifications for apple in terms of their ability. If the country concerned makes the law then apple has to effectively bright the lure operating in that country to be able to a dollars plus the bursary but the i think they are presumably taking the judgment by putting this out there and saying they're going to do this. They had the following is they would have to send by that. They would have to turn around and say well. Unfortunately we being spawned the chinese government to target dissident first graphs. We can't comply with that and they would have to do that publicly. And then they would potentially how to withdraw from china it would be you know a brinksmanship game at that point but the thing the reason the reason i think they're willing to take that risk is because they are calculating that china would not be able to legitimately defend that request by addressing oppa. Some sort security or something on this fast. That's that's the thing they're taking. But i can only presume by taking this approach. They recognize that they might end up in that position and they've got to have the gumption to stand up to it. But what's the alternative. The alternative is that you know if you use android phone. And you're sending all your photos up to Google google photos in the cloud. I can only presume that china's happy with that because anytime they want to look at the photos they just ask. Google and google shows in the photos. Google doesn't enter any cryptococcal. Doesn't have these things in place. And this is the the other part the argument that kind of winds me up. Is that the alternative to apple is putting in place here which is very much around making sure that the as far as they can go within the limitations of what they want to achieve their protecting us a privacy. The alternative is used the other companies products where they just. Don't bother about that because actually use a privacy is about step eight or nine on their list above all of their other commercial concerns and we we know for well that the mobile phone companies and the carriers and everything been for years been taking money from us law enforcement to give up all sorts of information about your phone. Your photos your location where you've made 'cause all of this thing. They're happy to sell that data to laurie folsom. And they've been doing it for regular regular years. So what's the alternative. You wanted to have this system that everyone thrown their hands up and saying is a slippery slope or you have all the other companies basically just giving anybody wants that data. Because they got they got subpoena. The point about this system is that still apple can legitimately say if somebody subpoenas a phone. Apple can legitimately say. I'm sorry we can't give you access that phone. Yeah we have all these other technical systems in place to allow you to do the things you say you need to do to protect people without giving people call. Blocked access to the phones has been a little bit tone deaf in their messaging on this knowing. What the response is going to be from Probably the news media and social media. And all that. I think apple quite honestly should have sent tim cook on a press tour to talk about this to get the sound bites out there to alleviate some of the fear that some people are going to have the problem is it came out from a leak it was leaked from somebody And the washington post got it and then run. The story and then apple had to respond so they weren't able to get out in front of this And you know my view in a no apple is all about the privacy thing my view is there are some things which like you say they should get your front. They should announce they're doing it before. It's ready and have the debate in public and allow them to put their situation across. 'cause the problem is if it's leaked and then you come out and say all these things people seem you're being defensive and trying to defend what they view is indefensible. Yeah so so i. I think apples apples privacy. Attitude really doesn't do them. Any favors large towns. I understand they wanna buzzer. And what the latest iphone is and frankly who cares if if that's kept secret until the day yet but some of these other things that actually have big influences on them as a company. Yeah they really need to start opening the komo and having much better discussions about these rather than these. You know. Big reveals laurie. Yeah you know. And i completely agree with you on that and all the pushback and again in the moment is is ultimately their own fault because they come to everybody instead. We are planning to do this. And this is how we plan to do it. And now we're gonna go and do it. They could manage this conversation a lot better and they then they easily could have gone to any news outlet that was misreporting hat and saying no. I'm sorry you've got this wrong the way you'll saying this is not true threat. Yeah yeah but now they. You're on defense and leaves a lot of people who rely on apple products to start. Are you scared now. I'm not worried about it. You look at any my photos. I don't care. I show you know could go to my facebook. I mean facebook is almost representation of what's on. My phone is far as pitchers. Well with the exception of i take photos of carbon numbers a lot and Stock numbers because by the time. I toured key box. I can't remember what number on the reality is. We all hope. I'm we certainly all expect that whatever device show using that you'll photos remain your property. And don't get so willy. Nilly i think most most of i recognize that anything. We do anywhere near facebook where it's properties that is not the case. No yeah but but for the rest of it retirement and the reason that the press lights belan on apple over this child safety thing is because of course apple is the the you know somewhat superior ass chewed over there privy of the past few years they say we all the private company so anytime you can put a can headline together this as oh apple. The privacy companies is not maintain your privacy. You know that that's a great headline forgetting readers. And that's exactly what's happened here and this. Why should have gotten in front of it by being more open about it. On this Recycling of iphone things that got posted Yes so I i do. I'm not the it guy for our company because we don't really have an it guy because it will suffer cloud and we have a provider but there are some things you have today physically on one of the things we do. Is we have to deal with all lie phones. Change your iphones. Every two years because roundabout two years is when the battery started degrades. The point that you can't get a full down them. This is just started happening to me with my eleven which is to do for replacement when the next iphone comes out so we have an because of covert. We've been in the office. So i said to our office manager a few weeks ago. I said said time. We go all defines in the office. We've had levers and we've had we lost you. We changed a law phones. lot funds for the iphone twelve. She went yeah. There are a few in the arctic. Said right well. I'm going to collect them all together and get them recycled. We seldom onto a reseller. Yeah gives them balking machiavelli for them. So i pulled them together and went through the mall last week and we brought about four thousand pounds with i've alive. That's that's what you sell them for. That's not what they're worth if you were to resell them. They probably with about six grand if the issue i want to resell the money by but i don't do that what we do. Is we send them into a company. Here called music magpie who recycles phones and they will basically clean them up and resell them And we get good process for them and it's very slick easy. He just box them up. Send them in. They send you the money. Never easy to deal with so i went through all of these fines. And you know what i. I'll looking in the moment. Might be realize what a great value the iphone. Ten are is a i think is the best probably. The best model is The into the valley for money hits the best model. That apple made and still makes i think they still sell the ten on But you know you can pick one of these up for well. Prima three hundred pounds. Now accused moore of yeah. Yeah and it's got everything. The phones of god is got the the face i d is got the big screen going right to the edges is. It's a cracking app. See cracking iphone. It really is is still is far plenty fast even though it's a couple years old it rum's the You know romeo fifteen problem. You know he won't today you don't wanna spend money. I think the tenor is where is and i would always buy used one and you want from apple. At this point. I think knew about five hundred and fifty dollars something on that but you can pay off that and get get a good one You know and yet. I i think i think they're really really funding them in the different colors and it really is at first blush. Not any different than the latest iphone. And i think that's what's really really cool about it You know what you running in the myron as far as my phone. Yeah what sign if you go. Twelve zero top right. Well that's the max max big. Well here's the other thing you put the at the next one eight plus and it's got a smaller physical footprint than the eight. Plastic has a big biggest. Yeah yeah and again you look at that you just think. Wow that's a i. Alexander wanted one. When i was going through the phone. He's he's gonna plus. And i said should we be looking out grading you well. I don't want the small screen the have now. I said well the phone. We be small scream. We bigger. He went down for that. Yeah when we got for call. I'm logging into my. At and t. Account right now to see 'cause i can't remember which because we just went through this whole thing not too long ago Way what do i look at here. Account or review. I guess maybe I just went through this with coal and My radio upgrade yeah Doesn't say what so i've used ten gigabytes with ten days left on a forty gigabyte rollover plan only. I never over now i. I've never gone over on mobile data. I did on comcast so. I signed up for comcast true unlimited which cost me another twenty bucks a month. So cole has an x. No yeah cole has an s. tennis. Yeah so which is the thing. That was a better multiple in the tunnel in ten. It was it was and it was eight hundred dollars. Yeah which to me is like who cares if you bought it on. A plan is different. Because you know they they. Typically they spread to. They spread the cost of the phone. Over the life of the see effectively. You get in the phone on interest free payments which makes it easier to stomach. You know i bought my six plus on Just paid cash for it. Yeah and then No i did not. I bought that through the plan. And then i paid for my eight plus just went pay cash. It's mine and i kind of like that. But then when the team came out i was like you know i real- i was. I was starting to see my eight plus bogged down quite a bit on. Some big thing was apple carplay. I just noticed. It just wasn't as responsive as an eleven that i had just used for a customer setting them up. Show them how to use it. I just noticed it was so much silky smooth and just the experience was just way better compared to my eight plus so that was one of the big thing plus bottles are just every phone. Every new iphone has better photography. I get it but yeah it was a huge difference so instead of just paying cash i just went with. At and t.'s. Two years you know. Because i'm not going to upgrade this phone within two years so yeah why four cow you know a thousand dollars twelve hundred dollars when i could just pay extra twenty five bucks or whatever. It is exactly. Yeah yeah i can understand that on the people who wanna put ancash refine. They don't want to be on a plan. There's a lot people who like to run phones. Pays you said they're not tied to a contract So buying a phone makes sense for them. And and the things that we've been talking about We're talking amazon. Recycling and elissa thing bong us phone is better for the planet upon any one mode. Of course you know. So unless you really need the latest features Somebody's buying it for you like going to be on my case. We'll get an iphone thirteen when it comes out because my my company will buy me one. But if they weren't i wouldn't i probably would at this point won't be buying you offense ones for for exactly the same reason. In fact i'll probably will be running you ten on because it would be pretty pretty much perfect for me. But the other thing i found out is a few of these funds were broken and screen broken or the. We have one with a back broken. We have one with screen broken now used to be that icon of start in about a little bit before the ten are i think is the plus the actually if you wanted to go to one of these little shops and get the screen replace. You would find that things didn't work afterwards the touch. Id was the first thing that stop working. Because it was tied to the screen hardware There was a a remember. The big thing with the back when the funds went to gloss back. There's a big thing of you broke the back glass. You had to go to apple. Because i'm the apple was really able to. It was glued in this okay so much only apple could really get the gloss out cleanly without damaging anything on the phone are remembering each invidia has the i. I'm somebody built like this. Laser device that casually basically lasers all the glue away so he could get the gloss out properly. Now what's happened. Is that all of these things. The laser device for the back glass the coding chips. You require to actually tie up your touch. Id or your true tone. True time is another thing where the if you replace the the screen on a on a phone with an invasion true tone stop working because it was hooked into the hardware and the fine correct. These problems have now been sold by. These bodies may find repairs zip and the price of those bits of equipment to do. That has because you know electronics was get cheap. Dropped to the point that most good repairs can afford to have this kit in place so nowadays. You don't have to pay apples prices. If you want to get this stuff fixed so i i did we. The rule with our phone. Recycling is that we anybody who wants to buy one of our phones from the company pays what i will get free music magpie for it but that means if you want to buy broken phone and get it repaired yourself you can do that And obviously the value of the broken phone is much less. So i think a ten all the with a with a cracked front screen. I think we had to pay a company about sixty pounds full. Now you take that to apple and they'll charge you another two hundred pounds to replace that screen easily. You take it too much money. How many phones and how much money are we talking about this with. Broken one so we over all of them i total value and trading is as this is about four thousand pounds. That's kind of amazing. You almost wonder if you can just go onto Ebay and start searching for super cheap broken foams that you can then turn around and sell to one of these places. Probably i think the mall jin's all small enough. Why you donate money won't a lot money so a ten ten hours is worth about sixty seventy pounds and i doubt i could find one. That cheap on ebay. Well yeah maybe. Maybe not the so. So she is. She had have bought one of the broken ones censor repaired. And i'm paying about the same amount again to get the screen replaced so all being hundred forty pounds. Now the word the phony trade ins worth hundred ninety events were to sell on ebay are probably get maybe two fifty four it but there's awful lot messing around doing with that and If i had a hundred of them you oh yes it were worth doing that. And i will make a tidy profit on for one or two and i'm doing it manually. I'm got a process in place. It probably not worthwhile on ebay right now. I'm finding Broken glass broken glass and they're anywhere from sixty to one hundred and twenty dollars tells me it's now you're you you're not gonna make it. Well the broken. I go on eight. That had broken back now. That was worth thirty pounds to the company and then only cost me twenty five pounds of the back fixed so i've got five now for fifty five pounds and that's with wile because i can sell it for probably double that easily easily. You know But yeah you know. Look at what. I'm one of the point. I wanted to bring across swale listeners. Is that if you if you phones. A broken don't nowadays. Don't go to a good reputable seller repair. But don't be afraid about getting you phone repaired. you'll get it back as good as new can get the battery on at the time you want to. And you'll have a phone lost if your fee more years. Don't just throw it in the garbage plate semi right in the garbage and also don't see people doing a little time which is trying to live with the phone. i. I saw the car this maybe two months ago. This guy makes good money. He's he's an engineer I think it was an eleven an iphone. Eleven in the screen was bali broken and he so he put a screen protector on it. Kind of hold it together so he's not rubbing his fingers up and down broken glass and He bought a sixty thousand dollar car. They paid cash. Yeah you didn't finance it. He just wrote a check. Yeah and so. I'm one of the things i do. Is i sit in the vehicle and teach people how to use the tax on the safety stuff and all the settings but then i also show apple cart or Apple carplay in injured auto depending on their phone. And so i can see your phone for a minute. I said how long has been like this. He says all it's it's been about about a year and i just looked at him. He goes yeah. I should probably replace it. I think but yeah no biggie with with that. That's not the money. He doesn't want to invest the time. I said you know you spent well. I i would disagree with you david. I did you put the screen protector. i stop by the store and got a screen protector. Just you know so. I don't hurt my fingers. Why didn't you just buy new phone while they're like thousand dollars. I'm thinking you just sixty car. Money isn't the issue here. well not we. Yeah this is the thing is for the for probably double the time. The guy spent put screen protector on. He could've right. He could roll rica the screen replace. Yeah and you don't have to go to a store to buy if he's just being cash which you know he does if he spent a thousand or sixty grand plus tax tunnel license on a brand new car and just wrote a check you he didn't. He's his phone is a payment plan. No no but you know what it is that the reason i say he doesn't have the time for it is he doesn't have the time he thinks it's going to be a really hard job to move his data from the offense the new one. I wasn't much on that phone to be honest. Well yeah but the thing is just a regular apsos. No third party apps on that at all. The people don't realize how easy is nowadays nowadays. You just put the phones next to each other and they sent over the wire wirelessly beer. I this is what i just did. Alexander's eight-plus said the ten are. It taught me about an hour. And i just i didn't have any pulse within are the only thing to do was turn off. I cloud on old phone my phone. Yeah and then. I put the snakes each other one scan the other. I put pulse code in the for the old phone once and then everything transferred everything is just like and then it's just like your phone does exactly. Yeah it about an hour and it's just necessary one final thing. I wanna sound this because we all running a bit long. She's if you're in the market for nine touch die by one just by all life success. Yea i have an iphone touch you remember. I got it free from apple robot. Yeah but really. Nowadays the screen is so tiny is a lovely thin light device for the screen is so tiny going by success. Pay less money and it will be much better. I pulled touch than no question touch so with that. We're going to wrap up this episode of tech fan david. It was fun talking to you Be back next week on The geeks pub. We're gonna be talking about the new suicide squad of david. Watch him before them building. You will do and then Chemic- some cool things. Coming down the pipeline. That we're gonna be talking about and Next tech fan. I'll give an update on my plex media server I don't think it's going to be very difficult to sat up the server itself. I've been reading some oil. What's sort word for High you migrate from a mac. Pc plex server. I'm just going to start from scratch. i think. I'm just going to set it up. Because i got on my metadata and all that but i really haven't changed anything. Nozoe it pulls them all the message from. I think i'm just gonna set it up as from scratch outside into my count. And i'm hoping that that will that will bring your playlists what i'm thinking. Yeah so i'll give an update on that and We'd love to get feedback from you. 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TechFan Podcast 459 - A Guys Desk Club

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TechFan Podcast 459 - A Guys Desk Club

"You're listening to another great podcast and the my neck podcasting network inch tech podcast number. Four hundred end fifty nine. I'm tim robertson. Joined by dave await. No you don't look like david you don't sound like i'm a little taller. Little bit tyler. Just like yeah. Double the height of david damn off. So that's guy cerro for those are not in the know. He is I if you're one of my original host the kurd host mcmahon podcast. I i wonder how if you actually now it's not as much as you And gaz at this point but I'm probably number two and you're probably number two on my list of co-hosts we've probably done more shells together than other than gaz and david. Yeah isn't that funny. And you know well because i think i started onto the my mac podcast doing segments like thirty five. I think it was. Yeah it was really early. Yeah and then we got all the way up to one hundred hundred. Yeah where we did that. In person at that apple store in grand rapids. It was are one hundred anniversary. Shell which was by the way. I listened to that maybe about six months ago. It hit came up for some reason. So i'm gonna go back and listen to that You know you could tell you. And i were having a good time at the apple store giving stuff away and chatting those energy to it. You don't hear a lot on you know stuff. Like this prerecorded shells But then the segments that people had submitted that we kind of put into the show were just so john far saying this song and it was just fantastic. Who was it was such a fun time to cast not that it's not now but we were. We were different. Well we were pioneers. Yeah we we were. The original still are the original podcasters. You know when the my met podcast started. A lot of people may not remember this. Guy's name adam. Curry really invented podcasting. That's you know he. He kinda got this ball rolling and he was the guy who set my first process feet up. That's how early and podcasting it was. I could i couldn't get the damn thing to work. And he basically fixed it for me So that's that's a longtime in podcasting and it's not that it's not as good now is probably better to be honest. But that's a long time. Yeah and the you know when you listen for anyone who wants to go back and listen to that What doesn't really come across. Because i was just so excited to be there was just how sick i was dog sick. Yeah i i got there. I think it was. It was the night before. And you and chad came over to the hotel room and we recorded god. It must have been two hours of of content of just like all kinds of silly crap. Yup and then when i got up the next day we had to go out and there was some some tech year that we need that either. Hadn't worked hadn't worked right or that was just needed to do. The live cast. And as soon as i got up that next morning i just felt awful and i was running on aspirin and The the green cold medicine. They don't sponsor us so they don't get they don't get a shot now yeah and adrenaline and that was. That was pretty much what was going on that whole time. It was You know. I was going to try to find it quickly on the website. But if you try to look for my mac podcast one hundred th. There's so many. My podcast i mean. I just got done pushing. Live your your latest show. That came out this week The my magpie cafe eight fifty eight. Yeah you know. We're at four fifty nine here. It's not quite double but it's damn close. Well i mean after after you left the show you did the original tech fan while i did When i first left the show i know. Odbc radio yeah right right right did that for about a year and a half and then i took a gig That basically apple asked that. I not do order be radio and when that is your biggest business partner you gotta listen. So that's when i started. I retired from that show and started tech fan Initially it was going to be a solo show. When i was going to have a rotating guests but i think by episode four. It's it's david who at the time had been doing. The my mac podcast with you. Has some issues quit. Yeah and then got out yup and then came back into podcasting. So i basically i swapped co host with you. You had ever cohen than i had david cohen and then gas stepped into that role. Yes which was fun it in. It's still going hard to believe that that was that was like over ten years ago because it was march of i think twenty ten. Yes about eleven years. Yeah yeah it's it's yeah. Because i remember having a conversation with you i actually had hair then. Something just turned on in my house at the hose up. Something just went and just turn. I have no idea what was too much crap here. I love the arcade machines in the background. Yeah they're fun and people go play them. I do Although my latest. And i'm gonna call it obsession I have a little mini. Pc here Let me pull up the spec sheet because there was a time in my life guy. I could've told you exactly what this machine was. Oh it's this and it does this and I'm not that guy anymore. Unfortunately honestly for ever since everything kinda went multi-core. It almost doesn't matter anymore. I know they're also powerful. It's like yeah so this is It could fit in the well. It'll fit your hand. It's not going to fit in the palm of your hand but it's a you am three forty which i have no idea who this company is but like you said it doesn't matter they all use off the shelf stuff anyways sir. Many pc amd it's a reisen five Four quarters the quad core. Let's yeah it's a four core Windows ten it's got sixteen gigs of ddr. Ram two hundred fifty six gig ssd. Hdmi dp usb Dual monitor with it ye. Yeah you can with almost anything now. Kinda dafter got radon vega eight graphics. It's quite honestly. It's a powerful little sucker and i'm just using for gaming that's all it is. It's not just just built a pc for gaming. Well i downloaded a front end That's a little bit more powerful than i usually run on my raspberry pies and it's got a couple thousand games on it but it's curated. It's not like everything under the sun. A doesn't have some of the classics on there. Like oh atari games and Either twenty six hundred zero or television games or coleco vision. It doesn't have any of that. But that's fine. Because i have that on a raspberry pi anyways will not only honestly a lot of the four bit and eight bit games from from back. Then that we're just so brilliant that they they don't necessarily hold up some of them do you. Nobody can play barnstorming and not have a good time from the atari twenty river rate or river raid. Yeah yeah. I mean those games are just there's classes for a reason And then there's some games that i played then that i really still only play for the nostalgia factor like aliens on the tar. Twenty six hundred. It's just a pac man clone although d- honestly it was better than the original. Pacman original pacman game was just so awful so awful And then the guy. I i saw an interview with the guy who made it at the gaming convention and he was like well. That's all we could do at the time you know that was that will state of the art except okay. Well later. They show this guy who built a homebrew atari. Twenty six hundred game. That was so faithful to the original arcade and he was like i didn't and he was talking to the guy the guy was. Tell him all the tricks that he did and guys. I had no idea that was possible. So you look at you. Look at a game. Like i think it was called phoenix. It was made by different company. Yeah where you had these birds that were like yeah trying to dive bomb you if somebody could make that for the atari twenty six hundred. Don't tell me go make decent. Pacman like i said barnstorming or pitfall or yeah. I mean these games were brilliant and they worked and they sold extremely well so when you come out with a port of pacman that literally will cause people to have seizures. Yeah that's kind of an issue a little bit. So i've got this gaming pc. I've downloaded the xbox for windows app and a lot of my xbox games that i've downloaded over the years worked fine on this. I can download them and play on here. I've got a xbox. Three sixty wired controller plugged into it. Actually two of them so colon. I can place them. You know fighting games and racing games and stuff serve. And then i also downloaded on here. Steam and The ea app because that's part of my xbox thing so i literally can download and play hundreds of thousands of games on this tiny little. Pc that's a. It's about the size of my hand. That weighs nothing actually. It has a A mounting bracket that comes with a so. You could literally mount it to the back of monitor. If you wanted to it's pre- it's been. It is right writing. It's basically it's not an i mac. But it's it's certainly an all in one thousand eight. Yeah it's right there. I mean it's a. It's impressive in the top. I can't do it. Could supplement The top you can literally push down and it pops off this magnetized was springs and there's a slot there yup and there's a slot right there that's empty for two and a quarter inch. Sst if i wanted to put more hard drive space in there. I don't. I don't care because i've got like five terabyte. External usb plugged into it so and if it takes a little bit longer to launch a game because of that. I don't care i'm fine. Yeah say well okay. I had to wait fifteen seconds instead of five seconds for this game to launch. I'm not that impatient. I can wait a minute and so much of it is held in memory that it doesn't matter if you know it once it's loaded it's good to be blazing fast anyways. Yup but you know for and this ain't costs with the sixteen gigs of ram and the to fifty-six Internal ssd five eighty nine. Nice six twenty nine. If you wanna double your ssd to five hundred twelve. I got it for free so it's not like i. It didn't cost me a review on it or yeah it's part of the The prime the amazonia. That's where i've been getting all these laptops to. I've got three pc laptops now. This is the one. I use coal. Here i'll show you can't see it on the video colas decorated this nice. Hp laptop with the super mario stickers but of course he did this has about the same specs as as that many pc. and then i've also got which is actually a little bit faster. But that one that i just showed you is the one that you can flip around right. And he was talking about the couple of weeks ago. I also have this acer which is also a really nice computer. And it's got the fingerprint reader on it and This is a great computer. And it's going to be julie's but she just hasn't taken possession yet. I dunno she's waiting for It's kind of bugging me that she hasn't grabbed it yet. It's just so weird that you know. I mean you and i have been mac heads for a long longtime well for me. It started in Professionally ninety four. Yeah that's when my neck started But i was using macs before that. But that's because i was using macs. That's what started the magazine thing. Sure yeah and. I picked up a plus in eighty seven. Yeah you've been into longer than me. Well i mean at this point. Seven years doesn't really mean that much. I mean you're talking about decades. Yeah where old. And i you know. I'm at the point. Now where more platform agnostic. I am to to a certain extent. I still prefer mac. Os were you using. A mac mini with 'em one. Yeah yes yeah so. Let's talk about that for a minute. And okay. we're going to expand upon. What that mac mini sitting on. But how do you like the m one i mean. I haven't. I've played with one briefly in a store. But that's it. I don't i just unfortunately replaced my amac. And that was the whole adventure with the screen breaking and everything You know a year and a half ago. So i don't have a pressing need. But i keep looking on best. Buy and my best break. Credit card is has zero balance. Most and i'm like i can. I can pick. Yeah well kind of but not really because i keep looking at it i i can pick up a mac many for like seven hundred bucks and i know it's going to be way faster than this computer. I've got right here. But i don't really need it i. It's not like i'm using this. i'm going oh. Jesus christ saying assist so slow and it's not no. It's none of those things it's flying around by the same token. I can't use the iphone apps that i know you can now download on your machine that i can't but you don't do well. I have a couple. I couldn't tell you what they are at the top of my head but they don't always work the way that you would expect them to because we're all applications that were yeah that were meant for a touchscreen like for example. Oh what's the one where you're running around spaceship and you have a mystery person. That's trying to kill people as like five thousand games. You just gave the description. Yeah but it's all it's all it's all done live and Anyway that game you can. You can loaded on your mac and you can play it on the mac but there's no way to easily transfer the touch controls to a keyboard mouse right but what does that. You had a magic track pad. Do you think it would be better track pet and it doesn't help it it. Yeah it doesn't. It doesn't help as as much as would. So if that was rather than a mac mini that you have if it was an amac with a touchscreen do think that would i mean number one. You can again. People can't see this. But i'm pulling my hand out in front of me. That doesn't seem like it'd be very comfortable for more than if you don't know what there's a reason why apple is never gone with a touch interface. Where the desktop computer you know. We say that but that first. Hp that i showed you that i could fold the screen back and use it that way or just as a regular laptop and touch stuff one. Set the screen touchable guy. It makes things easy year. It really does for. Somethings browsing the internet for instance if if i'm holding my laptop I just it's just. It's very intuitive. After using you know iphones and ipads and kindle fires and all of these devices of surfaces microsoft surface We know how to touch. It's not it's muscle memory for a lot of people and having at least the option to do it. Maybe not on. I mac because that's a desktop but on a macbook pro or a macbook to me that makes total sense now There's apple can't justify oil if you want touchscreen as at now you know what it should be either or or shouldn't be or how about just give it. Give us a touch interface on the mac. At least some laptops. How put them on the screen on the amex too so if someone wants to use it it's there. It's not a difficult thing. Look if android and windows can do it. You can't tell me that apple can't come up with a better touch interface. Because they're the ones who invented it i. I don't think it's a matter of of how hard it is or whether or not apple could do it. The what works on a tablet with an operating system that was meant to be touched and what works on a laptop that has some hooks into it to make a touch better touch. Experience isn't necessarily going to work for a desktop machine. Where you have a monitor. That's six inches to twelve inches away. Where you're you're reaching your arms out straight in front of you in order to do stuff on the computer. The whole whatever that stupid. Tom cruise movie was right. Here if i if i get a scroll relate like that i'm talking to you and reach over in scrawl but it doesn't work. It doesn't work that well for everything that desktop computers due. And if there's one thing that that apple works really hard at is conformity no the aprio. So they know they. It's it's all over the board with apple. That's one of the problems with that. I see that apple's has been having lately is they change shit arbitrarily. That things don't function the way they used to for no good reason the safari beta. That's coming out. Now is a prime example. We're just gonna hide all the buttons. What what it's still there. Why will because of reasons well it just to make it look different. I mean that's these are very mature operating systems and it's difficult. I think it's getting more. It's getting harder more and more harder to come up with things to say. Wow look at. We're doing now the touch their. He's oh they just. I solve the problem or touch. I don't think. I don't think that a touch interface on a desktop computer. Desktop computer is going to work that well and while it would work with a laptop. You're you're basically splitting the experience with this within the same operating system between the desktop and laptop. And i don't think i'm not so sure. Apple is interested going down to route. Where how you. Interface with the computer is going to depend on. What type of computer it is. So we've got my laptop open in now way easier to sign in was keyboard. Now i've got it. And i can do all my stuff or i can. Just fold it this way. Now when i'm falling into this way. The keyboard does nothing out the the pad. Does nothing deactivates it and now. That's a good touch. Yeah and now. It's just you know. I can do what i want to just by touching. And how is this not a great feature on a macbook right. But that's that's that's a that's a device that you can move around holding your hand. Do whatever it is you want to do with it whereas a monitor. That's that's sitting on. Your desk is more or less fixed. A fixed platform. But you're assuming then that you're only going to use touch interface on a desktop. And i'm saying if i'm sitting here looking at something. My hands are sitting like this because most people don't keep their hands like that the whole time i can just reach up. Scroll real quick. Because i'm reading an article or someone says something. I could just reach up and hit pause instead of going from my mouth positioning my mouse clicking the button just pause what. I'm sorry. how is that not easier. It doesn't i understand why apple doesn't want to do it. I and well i do. They don't wanna do it because they're stuck in their ways. Apple can do no wrong. They don't listen to people. They break their own rules. It's like well. We know that other computers can do. But we're not gonna for reasons what i would prefer to refer them to do is to work more at making ios ipad os into more of a desktop. Like experience i. Yeah i would agree with that. Make it a little bit more cohesive across the board but then i can touch one but not the other for reasons. Well putting putting that aside you. you've got samsung. That's come out with decks. Yep i i don't know if you've played with that any i have not okay. I had a small little computer from this company. Called jaide years ago that was it was basically a little bit bigger than a hockey puck. More oval-shaped and it through a desktop interface on top of android. Very much like what samsung is doing with decks and because i had microsoft three sixty five or whatever they were calling it then at the time i had that the full microsoft office available to me in a desktop like experience on a computer that i can literally put into my top pocket. It had Two usb ports had an an audio out jack had bluetooth it had wifi it had an hd output and it cost eighty dollars at and what samsung is doing. The reason why samsung is gonna fail with decks is because it's not their operating system. So all google has to do is make a small change in android for reasons and that entire that entire infrastructure just collapses and it's not just samsung. That would suffer with that. It would also suffer from many developers that that bought into that into that system. So developers are reluctant to sign into samsung with decks. And because they don't have the application support that they need to get it done because they don't control the operating system now if they would do something like that with tyson and get some kind of developer support. It doesn't even have to be you know the the full android experience. Wherever that is they don't need to have every single developer that develops for android sign on but just a few key ones. They don't even need that all they have to have an emulator because it's running on the same hardware. Yeah well and it's all kind of base more or less sort of on lenox so it could really but that's okay. It's it's close enough. It's lennox ish so to speak. And this is something that but the differences with apple is apple controls. The hardware apple controls the operating system. So they turn around and do something like this to wear you you plug in a usb cable or lightening cable or whatever into The the back of a monitor with a with a you know eight lightning. Hdmi or what have you. And your computer becomes your entire computing experience. Yeah i've talked about. Your computer is just your phone. You get home you docket. And it's now a mac. It's an easy thing to do. As far as hardware they've been making docking stations forever What's difficult is the money apple would lose by getting you to buy an imag by getting you to buy keyboard monitor and by the way an ipad in an iphone. If your iphone is just all of those things you know the i. I don't see apple doing that. But there's no technical reason why they couldn't absolutely you know and when you consider more people buy new phones every year than they buy ipads or they by max so if you can tie that especially if you can get some some corporate backing to where you know whoever it is that you work for doesn't have to go out and buy a crap ton of computers and yeah but then you're talking about that you have to make it so it's all cloud based when you're at work which is fine my businesses like that but you can only access this operating system or this environment within the corporate network. Yes you know it. We used to do that with company. I used to work for I i get would the appeal of that. It's just not going to happen too much chance of issues if you will But apple in happening. It's happening right now. In corona viruses. The is the main reason why it is happening. Where people are working from home from their from their own computers and going in virtually so whether whether or not the environment is is being run in the background of a the mac. Os or windows or ios or android doesn't even really matter. you know. basically they all become just a thin client and you're connected up to a corporate network so speaking of thin clients You've been losing weight and all this other. Say you're Let's talk a little bit. About what that. M one. Mac minia sitting on you. I've been following along on facebook. I think you've had five post now about your new desk. So tell me about the new desk. How how did that come about well. Basically i use like you the the sony. Mdr's seventy five zero six headphones. I think they are headphones. Yeah for for editing audio. No these are ak. jeez okay. Well i know that for a long time that you were using them. And i went ahead and got a pair and i really liked them but i was getting kind of very results and i wanted. I wanted something. That was a little bit different. So i i have a buddy who is an audio engineer with npr and he recommended. I get some some monitors some audio monitors so after a little bit of research picked up some jbl mark twos and that the problem though was the desk that i had which i'd had it was just a prestwood desk. That's what i have right now. Like yeah i got it like ten years ago. Yep it was. It was fine for when first got it and over the years i just kept adding more and more stuff on top of it and the speakers were finally kind of the last draw like okay these days. Yeah so i started looking around. And i found and i found this desk gets the producer or the studio. Rta producer desk. It's retails. I guess for like five fifty six hundred at guitar center but they had it studio on sale studio. Rta i think it's called comp- producer station producers station. Yeah yeah. I see it. I found it and they've had on sale for a while at three ninety nine. Still as guitar center musician's friend. It's the same company. Either senator musician's friend and music and art all walmart has it. Everybody has for three ninety nine so it was five twenty four. Stop say it's. It's always been three ninety nine three ninety nine everywhere. That's the that's like this I don't know if they had these in your area. Art van is called art van furniture store here in the midwest and every weekend there was a. It's the president's day sale. It's july fourth set. Every sunday every week was a this is at once a year. This is our sale except the one next week. So stop showing your savings this much when it's always that it's not a sale less than this than the proclaim sale price. Let me know about that right so it has a drawer. Which i've got to mac minis on now as i'm looking at this though it almost looks like it has rack mounts on each side. It does who you mix right next to that slide out drawer on top. That's iraq mount as well. Where at the top. Yeah oh it's a little mini. i see it now. Who so you are now. Spending money on rag drawers Not so much wreck doors. Though i have bought some some shelving the the the hard drives are going to go over here on the left hand side. The is one of them is very noisy so i figured having it beneath the desk and push back a little bit will reduce a lot of that. You guys have maple colored into yes. I did yeah. It looks nice. Good contrary dark cherry as well which which also looks yeah i. I don't like the black as much that looks too but yeah yeah the the maple and the cheery looks really good. And it's i wasn't quite sure what to expect because it's a very long. It's like seventy two inches so she said and if you have the space for it that's great if you get. I basically had to pre assembled part of it in a different room and then dragged track it down here And it's it is a one for the most part of one person job until you get to where you have to you. Get most of the lower part of sample. Then you've gotta flip it over. That kinda takes that kind of takes two people to do that. What it was. It was relatively easy to put together. I kind of wish. I had broken out a drill like phillips head bit. Yeah that's all i i. Now by the way i- screwdrivers. I've got a small drill bit. And i've got my Milwaukee thing now that's that's yeah. I'm doing this thing just done. Well there were. There's there's eight set of wheels on this thing. Yeah one of those takes four screws and they look like pretty heavy. Duty casters two. They are two of them block. Well you have to have at least one or two locking otherwise the damn thing start rolling around on you and that's not annoying at all no not at all. Welcome to my. Oh shit desk. So i bought a new dual monitor vesa mount because the one i had was was not as flexible as i wanted it But so far. The main thing that i've got going right now looking at me is sorry. Yeah you see this. This means keep going okay. The the main thing that i've got going so far is i still have a couple of power strips that i need to install because right now i've just got this this menagerie of Just plug in power strips in the back and it. It's it's a mess in likely a fire hazard. So i've got a couple of rack mounted ones that will that will take care of most of that and some of the audio gear that i have even the stuff that i use on a regular basis. I'm probably going to move out of the the lower raxit. They're in and moved up to The rack disappear on top mostly. Because i can't see it where it is right now so if i move it to the upper part of the desk where the the other one is then everything is there and i can adjusted it on the fly and all the rest of that. I've already got the two d. two eighty six pre-empts that i actually used on a regular basis that i use with this with this. Sm seven be microphone and the original plan was. I was going to have the the yamaha mixer. But i don't really use that much in the upper part of the desk next to where The neck minis are. But i decided that wasn't gonna work especially if i move the rest of the audio gear up to the upper part so i'll have to move the mixer to the left side underneath the mac minis in order to make all that work so i still have. I still have the power strips to install. And then i've got to start kind of buttoning up the cable you know. The power ships is People tend to overlook that when they're building a new desk like this power management is everything in can't it's so important you know. Cable management power management. It's all kind of tied together. But if you don't get that right. It looks like crap in the functionality. Goes away so have you done any research on instead of just a power strip in the back. Anything that that might you know bolt to the back of it. So you're having front facing plugs or anything like that well. I didn't want front facing plugs. It's probably kind of hard to tell from the pictures. But there's there's a lot of access to the the left and right racks from behind in from the sides so i did get to eight port power. Nineteen inch rack mounted power strips. And it's one's going to go on one side was go on the other side because i mean i've got a lot of stuff that's plugged in here. I've got four basically five audio interfaces reputations. well i also bought those little extenders. They you know you you plug that into a power strip then. It comes out about six inches. Yeah so you can plug in a A right up without covering up other very smart nice job and Also on the back of this desk in. I don't know if it's mentioned in the literature. There is a cable channel that goes along the entire length of the deaths. That's back yeah very good so these are all things that i haven't. I've got the power strips. They're not installed yet. I'm going to be doing that today. But i mean they're so those are some of the things i still have to do i. I still need to move some of the equipment around a little bit. Because i'm not happy where i originally put it. And then once everything is installed Then i can start buttoning up the cables and they'll hire more like velcro. I'll i'll probably it'll probably be kind of a combination. Yeah i'll use zip ties because there's lots of. I don't know if there's alternate views of the desk there on the back and the sides the The little walls ever there have lots of holes. Okay so you could see that from the front view so right and believer of saying zip ties for things that you're probably never gonna plug in or a mug until you replace it and then velcro wraps for everything else. That's not a permanent fixture right and by the time i get done with this. Most everything is going to be permanent. You'd think it may be five hundred bucks. Total the total that i've spent. Yeah it's because i've bought. I've bought some shelves. Bought the power strips so maybe six hundred bucks. Yes between five or six hundred bucks for everything that i've got you know i. I can't tell you how many times i made the mistake. Wants and going on Oh what's the the pitcher thing that facebook owns instagram. Instagram and looking up Computer setups and now. Maybe twice. A week i get an email alert from from them with all these different pitchers that computer setups. And i'm not. I don't care anymore. Stop sending crap But from what. I can see there's no way to ensure there is but i haven't i'm lazy To gone top showing me this It's always computer setups and four owners. Stop volkswagen beetles. Yeah yeah 'cause you bought one for your wife She she bought one well. The family bought one. I can't tell you how many times i see this. Twenty thousand dollar setup and it's on the cheapest goddamn dusk you've ever seen and you're like man that thing is one good accidental sneeze from falling over in destroying all your equipment That being said. I'm i'm using an l. desk that i don't i think i got it at staples or officemax one of those. Yeah and it's basically the same colors your desk. But i i'm sure and it has the one shelf on the long peace and the i think we probably have the same desk or sell similar to not make a difference pressed where it's all prestwood. I've been wanting to replace it for a while. But then julia was complaining about her setup for her cricket machines and stuff like that which is just in our bedroom so i actually went and bought a solid piece of maple maple and we stained it and then i found these really heavy duty Desk legs if you will On ebay and they were like four hundred bucks. Just the legs bought those Yeah you could. You could use it to car if you had to. I think with these things. Change the tires. Let me use these. Legs So you know and so it was really. It's just well it's a rectangle but you know after we she wanted it stained blue and this like a year. It was during the lockdown. That we did it right. I stained at blue. It came out pretty. She loves it. That's all really makes a difference to me. She loves it. it's blue. I bought too much. Would there was not a way to get less. So i actually built two of those tasks one a stain. One is still just the raw wood that she uses for her desktop In what was our dining room which is slowly becoming. Were two point over her And that's fine but it did kind of put the bug into my ear on what i wanna do. I think i'm a little bit more limited in space. Then you are and a big part of that is all this video game stuff which you are only a small part behind me but i know right the shelf with everything well no. I kind that you're talking about that shelf back there. Yeah yeah but. I also have on this side. Which i don't know if i can't see let me switch it around so i can. I know where you're facing right now. That leads out to the living room. Your living room No this is the co from what i see. I'm in the corner. And i see my shelf. Goes this way then. That's the back of the shelf in living room. But i also have. Okay okay no this this tier of laptop and ipad. Look at this little mixer thing up here. I got this for review. I haven't even touched it yet. Another on something like that. Yeah and then. I have this shelf setup with an old Sacked aim seventeen. This little bluetooth speakers is just holding these shelves. Take up I'm getting feedback. Touched aware and then over here is my coffee cup but then this is also video. This is hooked up to that many. Pc that's when i was telling you about this arcade stick that plugs. Then this is an hdmi sewage. And then i have the arcade so where in the hell am i supposed. Yeah well that goes on the desk so that can go anywhere. Where the hell am i supposed to put desk. Yeah i don't. I couldn't do it so i almost have to have an l. shape desk in the one of do you have less completely rearrange everything And that's no easy task quite never as l. shape and that's what that's basically why i shut everything down here for like a week and a half me as well because if you look at the before pictures back behind my old desk yeah it was. It was a rat's nest. Well it is mine too and there's probably twenty plugs that are taking up space back there. That's isn't plugged in anything anymore. Cable sitting there for no reason But i think. I have a lot more electronic stuff in my area than you do. Yes and there's only so much space in here and everything that's in here ninety percent. I wanna keep the big shelf behind. Me is more decorative than anything. But i like the way it looks and it's got lights on it and stuff like that so there's ways i can do it. I just i think. L. desk is still Optimal for me so for me to build a new desk. I'm basically recreating the one. I've got right now. And the only reason to do that is to it. Looks better in sturdier. 'cause pressboard in Number two is going to be power management. That i can build into the dusk rather than yes the crap. That's all over the place right now in. So i also have the problem with speakers that you do My clippers you put them you know they're on each of the monitor but one of them's completely hidden by the i mac now. I haven't noticed that it's really affecting the sound quality at all which is kinda surprising but yeah where do you put your speakers. You know when. I'm editing audio. I'm listening to my speakers not my headphones. Because right it not right. I can hear way better And i get sick of wearing headphones to be frank with you No i'm not going to be frank. i'm just gonna. I'm gonna stay tim. let's let's get off this though. Let's talk about something. That is been kind of shopping my ass lately and it's these entitled apple employees who bitching about going back to work and the latest thing that they're doing is they're saying They don't take it's it's fair or good for the company to expect someone who's a single parent to have to return to the office. I'm sorry eurozone a single parent. When you took the job you were shut up. What did you do back then. that's number one number two was disabled people. I would guarantee you guy that apple campus has probably world class leading Handicap accessible everything. Yes i guarantee you. So don't don't use that. Excuse don't use a handicap excuse to to win some kind of sympathy thing for reasons that that's a lot of times. That's that's what it's there for exactly and a lot of times people who aren't handicapped. Use it of that reason. There's a button to open the door in front of this awesome. Yeah so that's number two and number three was It's not fair for those who've moved out of the area murderer. Well that's too bad. move back what. I don't even know what to say about that. Well you know some people who moved. Then you don't have a job in here anymore. You remind you literally moved away in you. Expect the company to a comedy that because why These are the times. I wish steve jobs and still back at the company. Oh go here in a t you. He wouldn't be as polite as tim. Cook as probably being Although i don't think tim cook is s played as most people think. You can't run a company like that public persona. Oh i don't think so at all but that being said let's be honest. If steve jobs was still there would this letter from apple. Employees exist about wanting to continue to work from home l. No there's zero goddamn chance the that letter would exist in signed by seven eight hundred employees might exist but it would not be sent well and if it was if it did exist and it was sent that would be seventeen hundred x apple employees. The hit they said what yeah. Send him there Resignation letter please Now to apple's credit they have but it was going to be september first and that's been pushed back to october first because of The much deli Covert nineteen delta variant and it may actually go extended beyond that depending on how everything plays out. I mean who knows at this point. You know two years ago if everyone would have told me that. Hey you're going to be wearing a mask. Every time we go out your front door out of said you're crazy or i became a bank robber But it's so arrogant for for w- why do they think that they're entitled to work at apple and then apple has to bend over backwards changing tire culture so you could stay at home working. You know if if they if they're trying to say because it's safer really. Because i guarantee you all of those out and they're not wearing masks anymore. It selfish reasons. Yeah you know app. In apple's initial letter to their employees clearly stated we think the collaborative effort in creating our software and hardware is in person is key to our success. How do you help create the next. Whatever if you're working at home taking care of your child or whatever it is whatever. It is yeah where. It's not involved with with working being in front of the other people that are on your team and beyond that apple initially said. It's three days a week. You need to be back in the office. They didn't say it's fulltime back in the office. They said it's three days a week. You need to be here so if you're working five days a week you're still working two days. A week from home The arrogance of that really chaps my ass. It really knows you enjoy none of those signs who who signed that was gen-x none of them. Yeah what you and. I have grown up in in in different environments than a lot of the people. Either just coming into the workforce or have only been in the workforce for say ten years I'm kind of at the edge of the baby boomers and you are at the edge of Jax no. I'm a arm latex. Oh yeah. I'm genetics okay. Jenex started pretty much right around. What sixty eight okay sabotage. The the boomers ended around sixty five. I think yeah. And then gen-x comes. And i was born in seventy so i'm hundred percent gen-x okay and we know it's going to sound like my land but you know we didn't have computers growing up. We didn't have video games growing up. We had black and white televisions. That had you know three to five channels depending on well. Maybe maybe you didn't. But i certainly did that. Had three to five channels whenever you could pick up off you know. Rabbit ears on top of the tv said we come from a different generation. No question yeah. Yeah and we were. More self reliant. We actually went outside and played with friends. We you know. We didn't have land parties where everyone is sitting around plane. Left for dead to or or up in. Let's be clear we're not saying our life was better because of that. No no no. In fact it might sucked. Because of that because i would love to have been in lan parties and stuff like that my friends twenty four seven and oh my god things would have. It would have been awesome. But that's not the world. We grew up in that the differences. We were more self reliant. We didn't necessarily expect people to accommodate us for whatever idiosyncrasies that we may have whereas now it it's got to put this. It's become. I saw a video on tic who. Who'd you talk to is almost like pokemon where it's like you know. Pick your pick your victimhood. I have more victim points than you do. Well it goes beyond that though. I saw this video on tech talk. I love tac by the way i posting anything. But i i really enjoy watching tick-tock It was a a genetics channel. Right and in this one check it. She kinda reminds me of peter. Cohen's wife earliest. I've only met her on facebook. But who who assume that she would be like with her hair and the way she looks like i bet. That's exactly what peter cohen's wife psych. I like her a lot and it was a reaction video and it's clearly millennial or generation z. Saying who is your go-to when you have problems in you need to talk to someone and it comes back to the genetics. And she goes no one. Gen-x doesn't talk about our feelings to other people. Wh how what. What is that even mean. We just drink. And i was like. Yeah yep I don't know this this re. It's almost demanded they wanna stay working at home. Saga buttercup. it's time to elect. Don't always you don't always get what you want. You know. i've been for ver. I don't wanna talk about where. I work But for various reasons it's history. We know guy i know i know i i'm Lady lady fingers snake man. That's porn name. And but because of what i do i've had to go into the office almost every day for the last year. Yeah because there's there's no one else we've we have. There's four for two weeks for calvin and i was back in. I was only there for a while. I mean same. Same and you know would. I have liked his. Stay home in and do all this. All the stuffs while at home. Sure but sometimes you don't get that option and when you don't get that option then yeah you suck it up and you know you do what it is it needs to be done and if for some reason that's not good enough then you kinda neat to go out and try to find another job. Yeah that's on you boo. I mean nobody owes you anything in this life. No salute you know i. I do wish as a country the us we'd have a little bit more Taking care of people mentality rather than screw everyone and you know it's it's all about me. It's all about money. I wish that we lived in a country that wasn't so focused on the accumulation of wealth. But we do And maybe this new generation coming up is going to be one that change it. Maybe it'll be better. Maybe it won't be. I don't know But i've heard this. I'm since one thousand nine hundred and nine way. It's got more generation grows up get it gets into the workplace and then by the time. They're in their thirties or forties. They end up pretty much the same as everyone else. But that's not necessarily a good thing right. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying that's how it happens. Agree with you But they also didn't have the broad communication tools and access to information that these generations do but regardless which isn't always necessarily a good thing either no but regardless misinformation out there true but when your company says this is what we're doing you send a letter requesting. Hey maybe this isn't such a great idea. And then they reject that letter. They say we appreciate your feedback. This is the plan. This is what we're this is what we're doing going forward. Yes any further discussion on your end. I think should resolve in termination by no leadership. Already said this is what we're doing. Why why are you still talking about this. Yeah well because of Disabled people people who've moved in. Okay you know why well you know what that stuff can be taking on a case by case exactly and let's be honest you know apple does yes but although if one of your reasons is because you moved. That's that's that's not a reason that is not a reason in quite honestly you probably should be fired because your frigging stupid Will we moved. Why should i. I don't wanna come back to the i moved. We got back i do. I moved to texas. Okay you're fired by Well we have. We have people that now live in various different areas that used to come in and they're still getting a paycheck based on this area where we live now as compared to the cost of living wherever it is that they've to and there are some companies in new york that are actually pushing back against us now and saying okay. Well if if what you do can be done. Virtually that's great. But you're living in wisconsin as compared to having to come into downtown new york everyday. Your salary is going to be adjusted based on the cost of living where you are now as compared to where you were. You know. i don't know about that though. I don't know about that. Well salaries a lot of a lot of what you earn as a salary is dependent upon where you live so if you live in the in central florida you're not gonna make as much as somebody who lives just outside of manhattan correct because because if they try to pay the people that live right outside manhattan the same as the guy who lives in ohio. Yeah they're not going to survive. You're going to starve to death. Because the cost of living is so much higher. I agree with that aspect but going back. Readjusting someone's That would be your lose a lot of people doing that p screw at the same time. It wasn't the company that told them. They had to move if they names out on their own. Yeah that's yeah man. Then it's like well you moved away and Yeah it's it's an interesting thing to follow. I you know the the last thing. I want to talk about a second about saving this for The geeks public david. But let's talk about this. You see activision blizzard as getting sued By california no. I have not seen. This is let me I want to read this thing. This is on our technical It's pretty it's basically they're getting sued for this frat boy mentality that blizzard and activision have now remember Blizzard was purchased by activision. You know a blizzard was enact division. At one time we're at the peak of the top when it came to video game. You know activision i. They're the ones that going way back to our earlier. Discussion pitfall and Barnstorming those were activision games for atari xe xe atari game people who started their own country Company because the big reason is they wanted to have credit for the games that they were making an atari wasn't giving him any credit so activision whole idea was. We're gonna put the the person who writes this game front and center on marketing and inside the thing and they're gonna get full credit. It's gonna say you know. Blizzard in the new era activision. Whoever made the game they didn't stay that way. of course they got bigger and blizzard of course they were well known for starcraft and warcraft and diablo Two decades later great games. They got bought by activision. So now you have the worst of the worst when it comes to A culture within a company the full lawsuit allegedly. Yeah the full league team. Well to confirm it list of violations. Both sexual discrimination and sexual harassment statues including many that single out unnamed activision blizzard. Staffers and they range from explicit to repugnant. The lawsuit describes one particularly extreme example of electricity. And says the suffer eventually took her own life. Multiple company executives are mentioned by name in the filing Yeah a senior. A former senior creative director of the company's world war craft division allegedly had a reputation at blizzards annual bliss con event for hitting on female colleagues. He is so aggressive that supervisors had to intervene and pull him off female employees Oh my god yeah bracket named in these allegations forgiving the director. Nothing more than a slap on the wrist after each at incident in one activision. Cto night identified by name was allegedly seen groping inebriated female employees that company events allegedly hired woman based on their looks the lawsuit alleges a long detail history of activision blizzard. Not responding to official complaints filed by effective staffers. These complaints were allegedly. He's not kept confidential and the lawsuit claims these complaints were subject to subsequent retaliation which came in the form of layoffs unwanted department transfers and denied career advancements. So i you know now if this was a person that they were legend this against out a year's fire eating well you're innocent until proven guilty but when the state brings a case against a company and they have this long list of of allegations at this point i would probably say you know what i kind of think that i don't think california would bring this unless it was merited which i think knowing having covered the video game industry for many years in following it along for many years. None of this really surprises me in that. Maybe the saddest thing i could say about it that it's not surprising As a father of three girls and beat the shit out of someone who acted like that to my kids It's disgusting behavior in. Activision is basically going after california. Say this is a a runamuck. Stay aged see that this is why companies are leaving california and and moving to texas or wherever Which to me suggests if that's your defense. That's not a really good. You guys are guilty. What do you think about this guy. The guy is surprising. And what do you think should be on. It doesn't surprise me and I'll go ahead and make the assumption that most of these allegations are true. I would agree with you And it's without knowing the extent of the allegations beyond what you know what we see in the in these articles regardless. If any of these are true. It's it's horrendous. Yeah that that this is being allowed to take place and upper management. You know and the problem is most of this is is. It's going to be like okay. Well we're gonna find you x. Amount of dollars. And then you know you just you be a good boy and you don't do that anymore and then it just kind of goes underground or goes away for a few years and then it comes right back again as long as the people that allowed it to fester in place are still there so at at some point if the allegations can't be proven and if upper management can be shown to not be responsive to the problem bonds of to the problems. Well then they need to go. Yeah they need to be fired. And i think they're a publicly traded company if an msa and in fact i know they are If i was on the board of directors in this suit came out before they were found guilty or a court k. Court date or anything like that before that even people out i start taking upper management out immediately and going through this lawsuit and looking for anybody who is actively named talking to the alleged victims talking to the person accused of it and if necessary and this you bring in outside people to do this fire those guys as well and i did say guys because i guarantee none of the women are none of the People named in this women are women right now and there's no question Yeah i i worked in frat boy culture companies before. It's easy as a guy to fall into overlook at while not overlooked but actually participate to some extent. Because you're just with a bunch of guys and you kind of forget and it's this mentality in that is our generation's your generation and my generation. You know this is you know when when all that stuff came out about. Trump and people were like well. That's just locker room talk. It doesn't mean anything no no. It doesn't excuse it no and you know and it's mostly because you wonder sound. It was allowed to do it for decades and when there's no consequences and and again this goes back to what you rewarded for it. I mean that came out and the guy was still elected. So there's a whole group of people in this country that that bought into that's just locker room mentality and that's the problem with the stuff at activision blizzard. It was just locker room talk. It's just the boys being boys look. They're spending all these time making these multibillion dollar game systems they're just blowing off a little steam they don't mean any harm it's just it's just locker room stuff guys. Come on no. There's no excuse for it but there was and that wasn't okay mentality for a very long time in this country. Well i know. I had a. I had a very strong Mother figure in my life. I don't think you ever elephant. You've ever met my mother. She was five feet one inches of norwegian fury. Yeah they you're terrified of. I was telling me stories. You told me stories in person in macworld back in the day i remember. Yeah so and one of the things that one of the things that she used to say one of the things that she never put up with even from even from my father who you know and remember that. My parents were much older than the parents of the kids. The you're the baby of the family. Yeah yeah and you know. My mother was forty three when i was born. Which is that's a good lord. I could imagine especially for nineteen sixty. Yeah so when. I when i got into the workplace i was very. I was very cognizant of the people that i worked with. And i'm not gonna say that. I was always the perfect angel but i always tried to be the best person i could equally to everyone. I was working with because i worked with. I worked with a lot of people and you know no big surprise. We're a lot smarter than i was. And regardless of their gender. It was like okay. Well what can you show me. What can you teach me. Because that's gonna make me more valuable and i. I pushed that lesson on everyone who is currently under me. Now it's like don't be afraid to ask the questions at least to me for me. It goes beyond that answer. I'll give an example We just recently hired Two sales associates and i. I don't buy it usually comes onto me training the new people and that's fine. You know one of them though has worked in two different dealerships for about a year A mercedes and a kia dealership and so toyota was new to her but she had the basic skills so she followed me over for a very brief amount of time. I showed her the software and explain some of the hardware tour. You know the cars and stuff like that. And then she was ready to go and she start selling the other. One came from the restaurant industry and she started about two weeks ago. And she's following me around exclusively. I mean. she is on my hip most of the time and she's chomping at the bit she really wants to get to selling but she's not ready I don't treat them any different than if it was a guy training with me. And i in fact i would say i would go so far. Say it's not that. I don't trade him any differently. I go out of my way to make sure there is. No you know Anything that could be misconstrued as a sexual advancement or you know. Not that i would. I'm happily married. But you know what i mean. I want to make sure that they are completely comfortable in their roles in their job in that the people around him knowing that this frat boy mentalities especially in the car business I wanna make sure that they don't see anything like that. I act like they're my daughter's 'cause they're both young enough well. One of them's definitely young enough to be my daughter. The other one's not. But i would treat them as if i'm treated if i'm training my own daughter for the job. And if more companies treated their women employees as if they were sisters or daughters or mothers rather than the hot chick over in you know The beat group and programming. I think it would be a way better place to live in and to work in and well. I mean to take it to take the metaphor even further. Just just treat people like human beings human beings kind of bend over backwards human beings that you would you would be treated. Yeah but that's the problem that that they treat people the way they want to be treated. That's why they're doing some of that guy because they are pigs. Like that trade. Mike you would if it was your mom or your aunt if they're older than you your sister if they're about the same age or your daughter if they're younger than you train with respect. Yeah well that's really what it comes down to get get rid of the stupid frat boy mentality that too. Many people suffer from too many people making excuses for. They didn't mean anything by it doesn't matter if they meant anything by it that's exists. Anyway i'm going to get off my high horse now and Thank you very much for coming here and kind of last minute. I you know. I was chatting with with you on facebook and within forty five minutes were up and running and recording a show. I i do appreciate it. I was going to try to do a solo show. I have no problem. Doing solo shows done many times in the past. But i don't know at this point in in much fun. Now it's i. I like the conversation you know. Plus they really did want to talk about your desk. I was really intrigued by that. I saw the pictures. 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New Pandemic Personas, In-Store VR Experiences and 'Buy Now, Apple Pay Later' | Jul 20, 2021

Behind the Numbers: eMarketer Podcast

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New Pandemic Personas, In-Store VR Experiences and 'Buy Now, Apple Pay Later' | Jul 20, 2021

"How do you think about incorporating a lot of the silver linings. If you will of coveted people have changed over the last year and marketers. Who don't take that change into consideration as they move forward into the new normal won't be successful. People are proud of their new habits that they developed gang. It's tuesday july twentieth somehow suzanne listeners. Welcome to the behind the numbers daily remarked. Podcast made possible by be tax on marcus and today i'm joined by one. The prints for analysts on the retail and economist team. It's susie david kenyon markus. Thanks for having me like. He's taking the time to join us today. Today's facts to retailers are flammable and can be used as kindling. If you're ever in a bind. I am doritos on the grill. Inspire them up the you can make kindling out of nearly anything the flavored corn chips particularly handy Because they'll burn for a long time. In fact most chips will serve as good fine status because made a hydrocarbons sautin oil three investigation by the star. Makes you not want wanna eight them anymore. Now read the The more covered in powder the flavoring. They are the longer the fi- were lost tip in case anyone is camping with some. I'm not sure how many you need exactly if your house goes up in flames. That's very much on. You know. I think you just burst. My bubble is it's brought back a bunch of ketchup chips from toronto. What ships catch-up chip. This is like a very special canadian flavor. Chip that is very hard to find in the us a catch up. Chip this is real. This is a real thing. So should i tell you the wanna see the back now. I guess i'll have to tell you after he's done. There's gonna be a long lag. But i promise you after it's in my kitchen listeners. All check this out. I promise that our report back and see whether this is authentic or not otherwise. They'll be really long silence when reason. Today's real topic new pandemic personas catch up. I mean you guys have a ton of different varieties actually. Yes that we don't have here. Most powerful david cohen of ad. Week suzy he Wrote a piece Talking about pinterest discovering five new personas on its platform as a result of the pandemic. And so i went to talk to you about these Fife skit your thoughts on some of them whether you think there are maybe any others. The haven't been found by pinterest. But maybe other companies are the more generic Personas that have emerged from the pandemic soap quickly. Summarize there's five of them in the routine ritualised helping people incorporate new positive rituals into busy public routines pinterest sing searches for workout routine at home. Sorta ready in twenty twenty one dollars. Two hundred nineteen the prioritized parents. Loss of folks having deeply reconnected with their immediate family this last year. That's to the routine ritualised and the prioritize pair number three than you know matt reconnecting with the outdoors is folks spruced up gardens and go into camping and roach before the echo evangelist. People now better understanding that consumption habits taking on new sustainable behaviors number five the emerging entrepreneur. Also people trying to regain a better work life balance So you've got the routine ritualised the prioritize parent than you know mad the eko evangelist in the emerging entrepreneur thoughts on the oscar in general. And then maybe we'll talk interview these so i didn't realize how much people use pinterest for searching things like cute mother daughter tattoos that was up ninety three percent that i was very surprised and probably more that they were able to find the persona of the entrepreneur. Because i didn't realize people were looking business plans on pinterest. I i always thought it was more about shopping and being inspired. And maybe the code of the day. So i thought that was fascinating cases very unique. And then what. I thought which is not has nothing to do with the five personas but i thought it was the most interesting part of the article was. She's gone she's talking about. Are we talking about the first time. You gotta cut me some slack here but honestly what i thought was the most interesting point that they made was around. How people have changed over the last year and marketers who don't take that change into consideration as they move forward into the new normal won't be successful and that people are proud of their new habits that they developed as the routine ritualised. And so how do you think about incorporating a lot of the positives that have happened. The silver linings if you will of coverted into the next year and thereafter and beyond so for me that was probably the biggest takeaway from the article. I think with the agree with you in terms of your overtake andrea mallard. Who is the chief marketing officer at pinterest. Todd's a quote in the oscar saying as you figure out what's next for your brand. Don't just go back to your pre covert playbook the world's may be reopening but it's different than before we are different than before. I thought it was a really looking at things that people have kind of rushing to get back to what they know and get back to the old world and it just doesn't exist anymore as much as we'd like it at these personas. Were really really interesting. But i think the name of the personas is really critical and while the nomad definitely people were at home and enjoying their outdoor space more. And you couldn't be inside so you were looking for things to do outside for me. That new nomad was more around. How workers like. I had a lot of friends who decided to go work in arizona for three months and then they went to france for two months and then they went to hawaii for one month right so for me. That new was much more around people working remotely and taking advantage of that of the takeaway for me is names are important right for a marketer especially and also we use our own personal life at sample size of one to interpret things and so that's what names are even more important. Your original question. Marcus was around. What do i think is gonna sticks. Let me tell you. What i think is gonna stick. I think they echo evangelists. Although i do think that idea around sustainability and social values is pre cova times just that maybe climate change is now in the news. So much that it's echoed throughout kovic even more especially when you think about some of those amazing pictures. We saw early on when cars weren't traveling and zoe. We saw the dolphins coming back. I don't remember what the real examples were about. The dolphins were coming back or or even. Wasn't there one about in italy in venice. Canals were different. Because there weren't as many tories. Yeah it was it was a harsh reminder. The world's better off without humans. Correct sad sad but true horribly. True any personas on here that you've been reading about thinking of think might emerge have emerged since yep. I thought about two that. I made up the name so i'm not sure if they're good names but one is less is more we understood. Finally that you don't need to go to as many events you don't need to buy as many things that you know you can be with friends and family part of your bubble and still be happy in some ways and the relationships worth strengthened and people are doing arts and crafts at home and do it yourself project so i do think that there's something around that although maybe marketers will come up with a better name. I think they will. I think we have on name. And the other one which again sample size of one. But i do think that there is something around the germ conscious neat freak clean freak sort of. I don't know what the right words to use our but germs are everywhere. We knew that before. Nobody ever really paid attention to it. All the clorox commercials are talking a lot about it. I think that everyone is generally more aware of germs and maybe have changed some of their habits to take that into account. Yeah normally when you is. A product says kills ninety nine point nine percent of bacteria. I don't care. I just want to use it to brush my teeth or to wipe a surface and now mas- more than ever. Now let's be another oscar reading about related to how brands and consumers getting on in that relationship. Lear hacker of ad week recently wrote a piece titled brands. You don't know who your customers are. And it shows noting that these companies were lost before the pandemic hit which only made the disconnect blatantly obvious. She writes which is why many of them struggle with to have something more valuable to offer than the. We're in this together. Message that we saw loss over the star of the pandemic into the pandemic. the truth is they didn't have anything else to say she says and then she offers to such examples ones. From victoria's secrets she says new emphasized fit and embracing as with the average woman. The brandished struggled over the last five years to deliver on changing expectations with over the sexual ads. And a view of that view of what women want from their lingerie that is disconnected from present day. Reality another one. She says walmart the moving celebration of retail workers from the co walmart fell. Flat folks acknowledged that the average walmart associates has few choices to ineffective leave policy. Susie what did you make of the article. So i thought it's really interesting but it's another one of those where i don't think this is a new brands needed to be authentic and transparent before the endemic for consumers to want to purchase from them and consumers to feel some sort of love and affection towards the brand authenticity was critical. And i guess with article is saying is that throughout the pandemic. We saw that even more. And this idea around. We're all in this together. And everybody flipped their commercials to be like. Hey we're we're all part of this craziness that's happening. It's a collective misery. Don't worry we're all in this together. Sort of fell flat after a while. 'cause that started to get overplayed what i read from. This article is that consumer research is critical and understanding. Your consumer as you're thinking about your own marketing your brand mission and your brand purpose but also because she also gave some examples around product extensions like instagram for kids and being super tone-deaf around privacy and keeping kids a little bit out of that social media loop so i agree with her wholeheartedly but i don't know that that was a pandemic misstep again so it definitely feels like it existed before but it seems like people were willing to discard it. Yes i want you to be authentic but realistically i just want to quality products that doesn't cost too much. Do you think that's changed significantly or do you think maybe we've inch closer to people wanting authenticity but by and large they just care about the product. I think that this is a generational question. More than people in general. Like i think for jen's ian millennial authenticity i've been critical from the get go and and they buy products based on values and what the brand is doing in terms of social good much more often especially when it comes to things that are not like toilet paper right things that are a little bit bigger than a essential that you don't really have a choice but when it comes to the older consumer i think they were maybe a little bit more price driven than they were social value driven and then as the pandemic hit home more maybe that group has moved into the social world. A little bit more in terms of social good But i do. I do think that people in the end want to do something but then do something different based on their wallet so while everybody really wants so hard to do social. Good that you know when you're presented with two things one was fully environmentally sound sustainable and the other one's not pretty much the same thing the environmentally-sound one is five dollars on the other ones. Three there is a very big chance. People by the three dollar item. Yup sticking with casinos and the changing preferences habits thoughts feelings forbes contributor contributor how'd you say contributor to talk anymore someone who writes figs four four sometime correct. One of those people blake. morgan recently. Wrote a piece highlighting fifty five zero fifty about. How can you miss have changed and the lasting impacts of covet a couple of examples for you One was eighty six percents of vaccinate. Americans expect their finances to return to normal by the end of this year. That's going to mckinsey another one. Seventy four percent of people are more influenced to shop via social media now than pre pandemic. That's from bizarre voice. Susie what what are these fifty task town to you and why you picked my bizarre voice when also 'cause i always stole it from me did but that's okay because that just reinforces. How important that point is that social media shopping here to stay. People are looking for inspiration and if the social media platforms make it super easy. If brands make it very easy for consumers to do a one click by the medal for sure continue on and retailers and brands have made leaps and bounds into that friction lists social media commerce. But you said you said shopping right not buying shopping Yeah you know. That's a really good call out for me shop at your rights shopping browsing and buying his actually making the purchase. I think that the staff was about shopping. But it won't be as high as seventy four percent. But i do think that there's probably some really good conversion that happens because it's so much easier to shop now on social media and it's not as clunky and i think that the pandemic definitely accelerated that and and consumers were ready to adapt more quickly than they were before out you so my favorite one but it's not very very cool is is maybe something that i'm worried about as well is that the harris poll said that thirty five percent of people. Polled are nervous about small talk at the office. And i bet that's not just at the office but it's at a bar or like waiting in line. I think there is going to be this. Weirdness around going from talking through a screen or controlling conversations through text and controlling the banter. Then doing it in real life. Yup absolutely the hardest pits. Go to be the intro. Hasn't it why we do. How how you how. You introducing soft g. Do you see what they're off the. You just go straight in with a fist. Fist-bump you that is changed so i like to give them some options. Elisa give people a couple of jewish we. How are we doing the fist-bump handshakes if you need it. Or if i haven't seen in a while bringing in for the real thing let's hug it out right. You're totally right and it's like how are you like. That's the usual question but like how do you enter that. If you haven't seen someone in a year and a half anxiety to yes yeah how. My friend was asking how he positioning. I'm spoken to and you know asking people how they are anymore because everyone's struggling so instead i'm asking people to offer up some some fun things about them. The the happened some some interesting information. So he was saying that He's asking them. Give me a new thing that's happened. Gimme a good thing. That happens Give me a thing that you know. Maybe a bad thing. Something you struggling with. And then also give me some things. So the good the bad and the undelivered. So he's asking people what's something that you either have being delivered to you shortly or something. You'd like to buy that. You think my in previous i love that last question. Yeah yeah you ways of Of oakland drafting with i like. I'd like if the office we don't. We don't really have many people in the office handful but if when it happens maybe if they just said okay et from now on we're just gonna fist-bump because before the custom was to to handshake and everyone kind of knew what was coming and now kind of alleviate awkwardness maybe just saying. This is where we live now at least for the next year. We're going to bomb. We're going to do the elbow thing. Maybe we'll do a little dance in front of each other like whatever it is like. Everyone knows where this now agree. I went to my first in real life. Cocktail party outside. How's it. it was good. They had on purpose made it very small and so none of the usual people i know are the person who invited me go. It was for the quebec government so none of the attaches were there. It was really just guests. So i knew nobody so i was just chatting with random people but it was a very uncomfortable. I hello right. Because i was like. I don't know. do i shake your hand. What do we do and entered the exact same way. Oh it's okay to shake hands. i'm vaccinated and i was like. Oh my god now we have to start talking about vaccines and so of course. That's to which one did you get. There's all this conversation around the vaccine then like in instead of talking about cooler things here we are talking about cove it. I think that causes a lot of anxiety. Probably it's the worst. I'm not going outside. I'm saying six five. I wanted to make a nod to my previous life with this very exciting morning. Consult numbers seventy two percent of people. Polled feel safe going to the department store and that makes me very happy to know that people are feeling good about going to department stores. And hopefully that positively translates into purchases and the department store will live on forever and ever. Yeah i just surprising him about moles as well and people's willingness to get back to most which was quite stunning. Feel it we just talked about. We've been told by the death forever but especially during kobe but it seems like actually know people do when they get back to web of the people are shopping Two quick ones for you. One forty four percents of genzyme millennials have tried a new brand thirty five percent of boomers mckinsey and twenty five percents of consumers ranked Increased health and safety as the most or second most important factor went shopping in stores. So even that people are going back out into the world. It's still very important to them. The things are safe and clean and healthy for investment. Wc as we go time for the post office time now for the halftime report. We summarize the key takeaways from the lead story about thirty seconds. Also susie what you'll want to take away from the first half. I would say that people have changed through the pandemic and it's important to honor that change and keep the good that has happened in mind as you brand marketers. Think about the future and tied to that is thinking through authenticity and brand transparency. And making sure that you give out the image that you really are because with people being so connected they can see right through it so be authentic and keep in mind that there was some good that happened through cove it and and carry that through. We have time for the lead. Story's tom now full in other news. I quit word from our sponsor. B. tech's retails necks competitive threat. May come from a business model channel. That didn't even exist a few months ago. This modern dynamic requires companies to adapt quickly pivoting business seemingly overnight something traditional communist platforms just can't support as a new enterprise platform on the rice on. That's fast flexible and doesn't require nine months and a million dollars to get up and running those abi texts v. t. e. dot com slash emarketer to them more folks back today in other news. How will people shop points. Businesses fully reopened the potential of new in-store virtual reality experiences and how much of a splash. Apples buy now pay later feature. May story one lucid and hub. Spa asked three hundred folks from north america's not the largest sample size in the world. Are they asked them. Which best describes how your shop wants businesses fully reopened after cover nineteen shutdowns. Most thirty five percents said thou shop almost completely online thirty five percent. Twenty one percent said they'll do an equal mix of in store and online. Just six percents said. I'll shop almost completely installed despite this for us to research police. That twenty nine percent of all shopping will be done online by twenty twenty four including ten percents of food and drink purchases. Thanks to cook and collects and curbside pickup. Suzy how do you account for the discrepancies. Between what people say they'll do and what this research company and ours actually think will happen when it comes to the relationship between people shopping in store and the frequency in store and online. That's a great question. I think there's two parts of that one is people are probably going to be buying more expensive things online and that's gonna drive up that ratio online versus stores. But i also think. I mean those are once in a blue moon type of purchase right for a couch or tv. What i think is happening. Which is at thirty five percent which obviously higher than the twenty five percent penetration. Thirty five percent of people think that they're gonna shop because they're buying everyday things like milk and water and heavy things and toilet paper and who needs to lug all that stuff around especially if you live in an urban area so while i do think that the numbers are seemingly different. I think the behaviors explain that in terms of what are people buying online versus in store. I think it is clear that apparel will always be a store purchase. Unless it's something that is a replenishment item like a undershirt or socks because that you don't really need to try it on but if you're trying to buy a pair of jeans online that it's really a difficult experience and so it is so much easier to go into the store. What's critical to think about is at the store itself is changing and the role of the store is changing and that's not because of the pandemic. It's something that retailers have always been thinking about. I think the just accelerated needing to do that so stores are now like many warehouses to help. Facilitate things like click and collect and they're also. There's always been this idea around stores and entertainment. And i think that dovetails really nicely into your next story as the idea around stores being an important place for an experience and for people to understand brand are critical right and so you could definitely go to a store and be shopper. Not a purchaser. Because you went to the store you looked for whatever you wanted and then you purchased it online one. More example of what i find fascinating is a one retailer last week or the week. Before announced that they're going to do the reverse of click and collect where you can go into the store clicking by all the things you want and then they'll ship it to your house and it seems like a really big idea right you go you scandal items you want and it goes to your house however i know firsthand that there's at least one company that was doing that before which shall remain nameless but is part of my legacy experience where i mean. You could have gone to macy's well before the pandemic ordered something online and it got shipped to your house because it was either too bulky or too heavy or they didn't have it in store. So i do think that stores are important. And they're here to stay when you're talking about the products just not for a second and it does seem as though they're all going to be kind of a splintering and fracturing of the products that we think about when we buy them online and the ones we buy the in store like. You're saying like paper towels. You don't need to see them and they're going to be maybe a come become more an online product and then there's things like jeans which will be more of an instore priority does seem like there's going to be Products in general. And then they'll break into the kind of two camps and where people buy those talking about the store. Our second story story to a harry potter's new flagship store. In new york visitors can check out to new virtual reality. Experiences code wizards take flights and chaos. Hogwash notes richard callings of ad week. The vr experience include headsets broomsticks and hand controls both became available last thursday july fifteenth and now each about thirty minutes long costing thirty four dollars mr callings of ad week rights that quote near him. The harry potter stores use of vr points to how retailers might captivate consumers and attract shoppers to walk through the physical doors. Closed quote your thoughts on this. In-store virtual reality experience. So i am not a harry potter fan. I know it's very shocking. But i do think that it sounds very cool right. It's everything to the wand. There's the wand is included for a measly thirty dollars which to me sounds quite expensive. Actually but obviously they did there consumer research and they figured out that under thirty five dollars people are willing to spend a dollar a minute and they're willing to spend downplayed how people are crazy. They'll spend any amount they they've definitely low. But you could have put the price way up harry potter. who knows. Maybe they will do that after you know lawn. See that they could crazy lineups among they'll start charging more what i do question any. Vr experience from an in store perspective is does it actually lead to buying or is it just a fun. Entertainment brand recognition type of activity. Or does it help. The store increase their sales per square foot and does it. Spur people who wanna buy things in that moment in the store or do they get more wrapped up inexperienced ended up going away and maybe they end up. You know maybe they see in the movies and they end up buying the books because they feel more of that world yeah. There are other vr experiences or a our experiences that are potentially more buying sort of worthy in terms of like the digital fitting rooms. That might help you visualize outfit so you don't necessarily need to try the earrings or the shoes on and you can figure out if that's gonna look good and you're going to buy it so i do think there is some connectivity between vr ar experiences and making purchases and facilitating but i think vr for the sake of vr. If you're not removing a friction point for the consumer than it's really just entertainment doesn't need to be retail some of the prices of the ultras devices the recent ones the driving the consumer price down but still two three hundred bucks for a headset can be expensive. Entry point for a lot of folks and so businesses have more money in. This sounds like this experience was very expensive. They worked to your studios to produce this experience but Stores with more money are able to offer people the gateway into the virtual reality world. we forecast About nine percent of the american population via headset uses Next year we'll go up to just under ten percents That translates into Close to north or south of thirty million people's folks story. Three apple is working on a by now. Pay later feature of its own court apple pay. Later as bloomberg reports apple is working with goldman sachs to make every apple pay transaction possible by now pilates. Ibm pl opportunity. Where you can pay in installments. No applecart necessary uses pay four interest free installments for interest. Free installments of two weeks scored apple paying four or the other option is to pay interest over several months as apple pay monthly installments. Very appropriate name those bloomberg suzy. How much of an impact can apple pay later have on the current pm pl by now pay later landscape. So i do think apple's going to make a big splash. We already know that from a proximity payments. Their number one well ahead of the next one in line which has starbucks sixteen percent of the. Us population is a apple users. So already that's very large base. They're just following the shiny penny. Everybody's talking about buy now pay later so they wanted their own fair share of that market. I don't know how many of the current providers even have these two different options. So i think that apple's working with goldman to figure out what is the best way to move from just a credit card that they launched recently to now this next big thing we know that proximity payment and the digital wallets are huge for retail. My personal opinion though is how much friction does that remove for a consumer. And if. I don't know ahead of time when i'm thinking about a big purchase that this is an option that's available to me. Does it matter. And i think apple pay is really figured that one out because it's available on everything i think because they're the ones fronting it interesting fullest there so pos Pay later service. Yeah it's gonna be automatically downloaded onto those millions of funds in the country. Forty seven percents of people in america have an iphone Pretty much everyone else has has android device in terms of a top three. Buy now pay services clown after pay and then the firm out painter firm shares dropped ten percent after this news in terms of the market. Buy now pay later. Forty five million people using the service this year. That is up from twelve million two years ago so from twelve to twenty five to forty five this year over the last couple of years. That forty five million calculates to about sixteen percent of the population. The us at least it's also interesting by by generation. Suzy bs bhai now. pay later. Uses at the penetration For gen z. And millennials is north of thirty percent for someone who's bouma just around six percent so huge discrepancies by generation as well Time for for this episode. Thank you so much susie. Join me thanks for having me. This was so much fun. Absolutely thanks to victoria. Who edits the show. Thank you so much to everyone who took time to listen in nicole perrin. We'll see you tomorrow. Hopefully for the behind the numbers add platform removed focus made possible by veepstakes she'll be speaking with jed detrick at the trade desk.

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NPR News: 09-14-2021 4PM ET

NPR News Now

04:40 min | Last month

NPR News: 09-14-2021 4PM ET

"Live from npr news. I'm lakshmi singh senior. American intelligence officials say al qaeda will likely bill the capacity to threaten the us homeland from afghanistan within the next two years. Npr's ryan lucas says the assessment follows a taliban takeover after the us withdrew that projected one to two year time line for al qaeda to reconstitute in afghanistan and developed the capability to threaten the. Us is conservative. According to top officials from the defense intelligence agency and the cia one of those officials cia. Deputy director david cohen says the agency has already seen some indications of al qaeda moving to afghanistan the country served as a safe haven for al qaeda the last time the taliban were in power in the nineteen nineties up through the us invasion following nine eleven the us withdrawal from afghanistan has complicated efforts to combat terrorist groups inside the country but officials say they remain focused on countering the threat ryan lucas npr news washington. Millions of california voters are deciding whether governor gavin newsom gets to keep his job. The recall election was propelled by growing with cova nineteen restrictions at newsom defended his life saving but critics argued undercut millions of working americans former president donald trump and other republicans have charged that the only way newsom stays in office is if the elections rigged. Cap radio's chris. Nicholl says at sort of interference is unlikely elections in california just like across the country. They're decentralized run by local election officials and that it would be almost impossible to have them all secretly got together to rig an election given the decentralized nature of how elections are operated in california. Chris nichols reporting as tropical storm. Nicholas batters texas coast. People in louisiana are preparing yet again for severe weather just weeks. After hurricane ida struck the state from member station of arkaev. Paul brown has more people in louisiana can expect heavy rains. Tropical storm force winds along the coast and flash flooding louisiana governor. John bel edwards urged people all across the state to take this storm seriously. Because we're not in the posher that we would like to be before a storm. We're still responding to the previous one in southeast louisiana ida and we know that Southwest louisiana remains compromised as well from laura and delta last year and the may floods this year. Edward says a federal disaster declaration issued. Monday will allow the state to move search and rescue teams into place ahead of the storm for npr news. I'm paul braun in baton rouge saturday night. Live alum nor mcdonnell has died. His manager. marker confirms a canadian actors death following nine years if dealing privately with cancer mcdonnell was an snl cast member in the mid nineteen ninety s fans loved him for his laconic delivery and stand up on film and on television especially as the anchor of popular. Phone you segment the weekend update nor mcdonnell was sixty one years old. This is npr news. The chief prosecutor in haiti is asking the judge presiding over the investigation into president giovanelli's assassination to charge acting prime minister ariel henry. The order comes on the same day that the prosecutor's office requested a meeting with on re to discuss his communications with a key suspect hours. After maurice's death in july on re previously said the allegations against him were politically motivated. The justice department has announced plans to investigate georgia's prisons over alleged civil rights violations. Assistant attorney general. Kirsten clark says investigators will focus on prisoner on prisoner violence and sexual assault of lgbtq inmates. She also says the doj will review staffing shortages in. The state's inflation has increased for another month in a row last month. Npr's alina seljuk reports increases have been driven by rising costs of food and energy. The labor department says consumer prices rose five point three percents in august compared to a year earlier the closely follows both june july which saw the highest annual inflation rate in nearly thirteen years comparing august to july the consumer price index rose three tenths of a percent compared to half a percent seen a month earlier. This suggests inflation may be peaking but very slowly prices for used cars dairy and airfare fell last month but prices for gas clothing and food especially meat continue to rise sputtering reopenings because of the delta variant a tight labor market and especially disruptions in the global supply chain have been affecting the consumer price index alina seljuk. Npr news washington. This is npr news.

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32. Rebroadcast: Volume 01: More of Philip McKernans Wisdom and How Its Even More Meaningful Now

Psychology of Entrepreneurship

40:42 min | 1 year ago

32. Rebroadcast: Volume 01: More of Philip McKernans Wisdom and How Its Even More Meaningful Now

"Nefarious, man like the brain works fucked up. The mind is one of the most deceiving manipulative pieces of equipment flesh. Human bodies on hers, I never have trusted my brain. Leaves. You are the decision maker. Hi It's not runs. Lee I'm Kelly. One of the produces behind the psychology of entrepreneurship and for any new listeners. This is a series where we go inside the minds of entrepreneurs, artists and athletes to see. What is the psychology behind the decisions? Today! We're GONNA. Be something a bit different. We're going to be revisiting volume one of this series where runs. We had a conversation with the amazing Philip maccagnan. A lot has happened since this volume came out, and parts of the conversation have been brought up through other volumes tobacco what our guests have been saying, so we thought would be interesting to rebroadcast this volume and pull in pots from other volumes to see how everything ties in together. kind of like inception, but applaud cosmology. I think. I can't remember the point. In anyway, let's jump right into the minds of these entrepreneurs and see how thought cuttings behind the decisions connect. saw. My name is Rawnsley, and for as long as I can remember. I've wanted to take my audience on Jenny Way. They challenged the accepted beliefs or so-called fruits. And since I was battling a whole bunch of questions in my mind I decided to talk with people who had versions of answers that might or would perhaps challenge my own belief systems, these stories starting with Philip McCain. Philip. Like this really interesting. I've never met someone like Philip MacKinnon, and he's a Hilo of sorts I've watched him. Get to people trauma. It's fascinating. I'm met Philip that an event last year and we had dinner together and I decided to go. My name is Philip mckernan on the founder of one last talk. A coach and I deliver and run retreats all over the world for entrepreneurs and leaders who are seeking clarity about their present. So for the at this dinner right and in my first interaction through conversation. Actually he asked me a few questions that got me really emotional. And I cried at this dinner table. With for the people at the same table. That I'd met for the first, Time. So I went and got his book. It's the only book could that's on my bedside table and has been like for months and months. It's called one loss talk and it's about this movement. It happens all over the world where people delivered their won loss talk. If you had to give one loss on the planet, what would it be and what would you say and I remember? One of the proudest moments from as an individual was being able to finish a one halt live event? Put the speakers on stage Steinbach and look at the speakers in front of one hundred fifty people and say thank you for allowing me to stand on your stage. And I said Ladies and Gentlemen Your speakers. They got the applause stunning Vatian, and then we shut the event down to get a better idea of impact that one last Hawk has his David Cohen in volume fourteen, talking about his experience, yeah one last talk. I went to the one in boulder had no idea what to expect. Still just said he got gotta come to this thing. And someday you'll be onstage doing this. Somehow introverted I don't know if I'll ever do that. But Just. Just crying like you know never spent the entire day dispaced weekly crying right so emotional and you know that'll turn a lot of people off from the event, but basically people are standing up saying the one last thing they would ever say to the world right even though they're not. You know it's not the last thing they're pretending that it would be. And what would they want to convey to the world? And the stories are just so incredibly powerful, right people that have gotten out of long term jail sentence. Talking about you know when the thing happened that put them in jail. And how they feel about it today, their journey God just such an emotional thing. And it's a construct that I. Love the first time I saw it. which is just a mental model of you know this is the last time you'll be able to say something wrong. What USA it's meaningful and I immediately thought of the startups that I work with. And I started weekend which we run a thousand times a year and one hundred twenty countries and has said. There's one hundred thousand would be entrepreneurs going to these things like what if we inspire them and said what if this is your one last startup? Here's what's really interesting for me Philip. Just like me doesn't really like the limelight or the credit and. That loss statement was one such example. Then he said this. That kinda explained that feeling had just a little bit more so as much as I think. The one last talk is delivery and giving a lot to the world I also think I've received tremendous amount most which I haven't stopped to really contemplate a feel like a father who watches his son. Do something that you. You hope he will do something and you know he can do someday and you know he could. He has, or she has the ability and then. Then you finally see it when you're least expecting. And when you see a personal wakened to themselves, I think one of the most extraordinary opportunities in the world, and one of the scariest things is actually to meet and to walk down the street and bump into yourself, and when you see somebody, connect with their truth and their story, and to realize they have value far, and above the N. contemplate any aspect. They saw a value beyond all of that. It's just magical is pure magic. This kind of reminds me of Melissa Embassy and he's awakening from volume twenty one was in a hospital, feeling the most unwell of ever felt, but the most alone I have ever felt in my entire life like an I literally. Is this. Is this what we're here for to Safa and at this time I was. Twenty four years old and a few weeks before this that I ended up in hospital I just started. This thing called Yoga. And I was like what is this Yoga Business? It feels so good so I just started it so I've met these new friends at Yoga. And they sent me a care package to the hospital, and in that care package was like crystals and. Angel cards and teas and herbal tinctures and a book that changed my life. That book was Louise As you can heal your life and I remember reading this book. And I would turn to my mom, and I said to her. Why didn't you tell me that we create our own life? And I did go through a blame stage toward my parents, and I have moved through that and I'm so grateful and I just love and adore them now, and that was the awakening for me. I read this book and I literally like that. Decided to change my entire life. There was this voice inside me. That said if you get healthy and happy again, you'll live a life beyond your wildest dreams and I didn't know what that voice was i. now know it's your intuition, but like. I didn't know what intuition was back then. He challenges everything about the stuff you already believing and challenges all our Patna. Challenges all my patterns for sure. Challenges everything that I thought was correct. I've said to be I. Dare you to be happy. I fucking dare you to run the risk to take a chance on yourself to do something that you've always wanted to do. And Room the risk of being happy, because so many of us WanNa play safe because we think. Our mind deceives us into thinking that. If you're in control, and if you play safe, you will be safe. There is no greater lied that we tell ourselves. Because safety is driven by insecurity and insecurity is driven by a need to control in control is a fucking illusion it does not exist has not exist, and yet we live in a world so many. Many people are trying to control themselves other people the outcome and there's this obsessive meeting to know. And I always say that this needing to know prevents you from ever truly knowing James Whitaker had an interesting perspective on this in volume twenty four, when we talked about how it can be hard for entrepreneurs to enjoy the climb to the top of the. The mountain how that manifests in the short term is extreme frustration for anything like that. If anything I feel, is on absently perfect like if I have a sip of coffee in its spills, if I if anything happens like if I'm doing something when I'm cooking, and it's not perfect and I'm Gordon Ramsay, these this is as you said especially where you don't. Don't have a measurable benchmark of what is success. When you're hunting for perfection, I think can make it even worse. Why do we sit these unobtainable standards of perfection in a way that we can't measure it, and sometimes even having that measuring component can be bad because we feel a bad self sense, self esteemed bad self worth as we're doing these things. For me, growing up I was trained to think that every moment that I was not doing stuff. That is not being productive. I just felt like it was always more more more. So I kind of wanted to get his perspective on what it was like to be an entrepreneur in today's Day and age. Because I just felt guilty every time what was doing something and that was just not sustainable. Then formation was the key Ron's later happiness success peace of mind, etc, we would never ever ever be happier than now because we've never had such information, nor have we ever in the history of mankind. Accessibility to information through laptops. IPADS iphones whatever it happens to be. But what's happening is we're consuming the speed of light so I? Read a book last week and read another book this week another about next week and I go. What stood out what book arlette per class with change my life great. How are just changed my life? Maybe here that how? And I'm not saying there's new information of books you've written books I've written books I'm going to write more books, but if we just read tree books, put them on our bookshelf and kept going back to those books and implementing the things that were organically intuitively aligned to who we are, but a lot of us are consuming books because we're. It's driven by scarcity. If I don't read the latest greatest book, I'm GonNa miss out and. What's happening? Is that can get this right? And then I'll stop is that we're consuming information. The information does not have the time to turn into knowledge because we're too busy reading the next book consuming the next podcast. It, Ever goes down into wisdom. An almost never land in a place called awareness. Did you know that six percent of employees would give up five thousand dollars a year in salary to be happier at work. For me, I think what tends to happen. IS WE AS BUSINESS? Owners as creatives get asked for the recipe for success straight off the BAT. And what I would love to tell us that I have all the onces but five really don't know what is possible for you and for me if I have and we have a little bit more faith and trust in voice. What have we stayed in that unknown part for a little bit longer? I. Know that every time stating that unknown, the creative part of me made my creative side, even more creative. I get asked about most pain-free way at podcast ones business almost as though a podcast will fix it all. I know the steps we've performed the steps we've gotten. The results are repeatable, but of the ingredients going in on considered than the best recipes quite useless Sunday. We usually feel the issue is one thing when it is actually something entirely different. Ninety nine point nine percent of clients that come to me for clarity about X.. It's nothing to fucking do with X.. It's always do with why x is the by product or something deep. The question the people are asking you speculating said don't know. How can I be that? How can I be a? Beacon. How can I get the sandwich? How can I get the luck? My one of my best friends in Ireland Jeff said you're the guy I've ever met. The, luckiest guy, I've ever Nash just put you in a car. Who Win the race do this. You put you in a shop with no clothes some Angie jackets and It's so interesting that we're asking the wrong questions we'll so many of us are seeking for truth in the wrong places, and we're not asking the right questions because we're afraid to. So, what are the right questions? You Graham does his opinion on what the right questions up back in volume nineteen I'm just ask questions because I I tried to feel what is happening like well. Let's see where we're at. What is the foundation is a foundation. Is The foundation strong as a week, can we? Can we strengthen the foundations or value? There I'm trying to find out where the value is. Right. Where's the value is building on? The foundation makes no sense of the foundation is not strong. But strengthen, the foundation can be very valuable if it's not strong. If something we can agree on so I. Just have a sincere seeking for truth in everything so like the separate. The bullshit I'm did this a lot. Sometimes my conversations because it's it's almost like I'm trying to pull away the bullshit, so we can get to some fundamental stuff, so if luck has got nothing to do with it, and if I'm asking the wrong questions, why brain, coming up with these questions in the first place and Why is my brain looking for those answers in the wrong places, the brain is designed to protect us. I tell you right now. I don't get this left right. Brain Front Lobe, the court, the court to don't know one IO's about that stuff, and I find that if I get drawn into the detailed complexity. It's not who I am. All I can tell you is. The mind is one of the most deceiving manipulative pieces of equipment flesh, human bodies on earth I never have trusted my brain and unfortunately i. I do my brain way too much and brought me down all sorts of pets. It creates paranoia second guessing everything else and his powerful I. Don't get me wrong. Not Arguing his power and somebody was some people say we use three percents when people say, we use ten percent of her brain God. Love us. We ever figure out a way to use fifty percent of our brain. We will become mechanically machine like which is already happening in the world. That is who we are becoming. We're becoming machine like. Official estimates show that fifty percent of the adult population will experience depression at some point in their lifetime before Kiddie pumped in with that depressing stat about depression I remember having conversations on my first podcast about connection and connecting food. There's a study done by Monash University here in Australia that says that there's zero occurrences of adolescent depression if the family eats together at least once a week. The power of connection is one that we on not paying attention to the disconnection is making machine like. I've been asked about getting my business very often from other entrepreneurial friends. And to be honest, I live on the dichotomy of whether skill on my business, but like scaling the world faces big challenges. I suppose like global warming. And the catastrophe that the world. Challenge the world is facing. Today is not global. Warming is not mass population that might lead to starvation. It is not. Donald? Trump is not those things. It's the fact that we are becoming so disconnected, and we're forgetting had to feel, and society doesn't reward us with emotion rewards US based on intellect, and what is perceived as to be successful, and a lot of us are focusing on obsessing about living in the now. I don't WanNa fucking live in the now with my now ship. In volume, twenty eight Mark Golson gives a further explanation about being disconnected or in his words. Said I wrote this blog Kawai people kill themselves. It's not depression. And what I said is that there's hundreds of millions of people who are depressed. Don't kill themselves the menu. Do not many but some. Those hundreds of millions of people lose their jobs. Lose their marriage, and they don't kill themselves. Not all those things can contribute to it. One thing that nearly all suicidal people feel which is what I spoke about in the article is they feel despair, and if you break the word despair into D., S. P. A. I, R., A. Feel unpaid with reasons slip. They feel hope less without a future help. Less power less use less worth less meaning less, and when they all combine. They feel pointless in a pair with death. To take the pain away. I know interested in living in the now of now. Shit or the rest of us are Ford focused. My work and what I believe is if you want to understand who you are at the core, intellectually and emotionally, there's only one place to go into your past. That is the place that holds every key to who you are and who you're going to be whether you like it or not. You, but in Australia being busy seen as a badge of being successful. Is defined that if I'm busy, I have no idea what's going on, and I'm running around like headless chicken. I found that every time I was busy that if I just took a break. I came back and everything was almost better. Nothing had changed, but I think the perspective almost made it, Beto. So how to consolidate that? I feel like I should be taking a break, but every time I do. I feel guilty. The balance inside my head. Trust me mental sometimes. So Philip. You know what I've just realized. That I've kept myself busy going from one project to the next. Thoughts? And anyone who's super-busy. Anyone is filling their lives. Every inch of the lies is running from something. All of them ask you to do is to consider stopping and turning about. Because you will not, you will not be able to rush. It would eventually catch up with you, and it will manifest itself physically mentally emotionally, and it will come out. And data selfish particular when you choose to have bring children into this world when you choose to be a leader, I believe that we have a moral obligation to work on the ship that we're afraid to work, because whether we like it or not were wondering up where packaging we're putting. A Beautiful Red Boehner were passing into next generation, this theme of leaving the world a better place and you found. It has been a common theme throughout the conversations that we've had with the guests. Guests on the series in volume fourteen David Cohen had this to say about what drives him. Now I believe you get a short period of time in that's it and so do something good with your time here but it's back to human relationships right if if you can leave the world a little bit better than you found it on that sort of all, you can ask of anyone right. You know when when people say. Why did you create techstars when it usually say is? You know because I believe that entrepreneurs make the place I believe that innovations make the world a better place, and in volume to Dr Sherri. Willing gave this advice to listen is when talking about burnout among entrepreneurs as entrepreneurs. as we as we grow and mature are finding wise that are about more than I've got this thing to work out. Or have this drive in pain inside of May but are about things that bring us joy. That make the world better, I mean. These hundred of lofty, and I feel like I could roll my eyes at my own self, but when we think about it at the end of our lives, we're going to take stock of like. How did we spend our time and the questions that we're going to ask is what what did I do. That was important. How did I make my? My life better. How did it make other people's lives better? How did I experience joy? How did I? How many beautiful sunsets did I see? How many heart problems that I saw that made me satisfied and made me proud of myself I think maybe the question that we don't ask like houses going to play on the deathbed. That's that's the question, ask. What are we going to regret? What are we going to be sad that we missed? When our time is up. So for a lot of reasons, we feel like we are alone. I've heard Jason Gain on. Say this on his podcast. About how most people feel alone even when they are in a marriage. Why do we feel alone in those positions? Even though we have people around us, like as an example, I have team, I have a great partner. What why is it that? Why is it that initially I would feel like this? Whole thing was my own journey and. Was My. Just my cross today so to speak. Let me. Be Very honest. There are still times that I feel alone. But pops happen less and less often these days because I think I'm starting to like myself just a little bit more than I used to. We don't like ourselves so many of us don't like ourselves says we're afraid of how humanity judges, but humanity will never judges way judge ourselves, so we spent so much time and energy looking good on the outside, pretending happy on facebook every single day, and very few of us are willing to actually look at the Great Bali that will ever meet ever that meets us in the fucking mirror every single morning over lives, and if we can, if we can deal with that womb thing which just st without one. Bully everything else look after stuff because I believe to my core that we give ourselves what we feel we deserve and when you wake up in the morning, you've got the greatest vision board on Earth and you look at that you stare at that and you tell yourself you deserve. You use mantras to try and bullshit your brain that you're going to achieve this leaving aside the challenge, not most people create goals. And and wanted chief things that are not belong to themselves. That's a whole conversation, but leaving that aside. You tell yourself you want something money. A yard or relationship love sex whatever it happens to be, but every step you take out of that bed into. The universe into the world. You're seeking to validate how you feel about yourself. So what ends up happening is sabotage starts to appear. So you want the money you want to success, but you make decisions that look. Almost polar opposite what you want, and then you go on. Canadian. How can you make that mistake? You stupid idiot and think about the energetic nature, and how you speak about yourself and you. The disdain that humanity house says is. The saddest thing I on the motion all because I've experienced that myself. I was the cruelest person on earth to myself, and I see it every single day, and it's fucking tragedy and yet so many of us are so deeply lonely, which is a pandemic in the world, and we're only because we're waiting for. Mr Rydin Mr Mrs Rice and yet we don't have any really many many of us don't ever real quality relationship with ourselves. Which I think is sad, said. So in the actual interview when Phillips said the line about an fucking idiot. How can you make that mistake? You Stupid? Idiot I got really emotional because I could hear myself talk to myself exactly that way what I failed I beat myself up badly. Because I just couldn't handle the failure. I would just keep going from one thing to the other, even if I achieve something. I was just not happy. Claim, the mantle. Don't use that terminology that built the business. I've got the family on the happy. And will they don't ask is typically the not curious about. Hey, I'm just wondering what this. They're not curious about that. They're too busy judging the shit themselves which builds on the previous point that I made. Is that the going? What's wrong with me? Business timing. Dollars I've got my car I've got the wife of the husband of the kids. Everything should be awesome, but it's not. And we don't have a place in society for that. Because, we're going to conferences where we feel that, we have to keep. Know we have to keep up a strong upper lip and we have to play about. I think we've very basic level. We've put way too. Much of our density has been tied into. What we do as opposed to who we are and I feel that. As long as we continue to move through this earth, adoring God's putting Gurus on pedestals, entrepreneurs on pedestals at people. Who Do you think about the heroes that we have I mean so many entrepreneurs Wannabe Steve Jobs. Good look. I've no interest on earth of being Steve Jobs. And I go what you WANNA be job with look what he did exactly what he did so socially, and personally his life was a complete mess. He very destructive relationships, and he wasn't very nice to people. Okay, then you say okay, but on a business level mckernan look what he built agree designed. He designed. The Eiffel arguably was going to in history. We look back at certain data points in history we look back and say that was the tool that disconnected us more than anything else in the history of humanity yet you want to be the next Steve jobs good luck with that. And, then I often said by the way just one quick, no question. Why why do you want to be Steve Jobs? What would it be like to be fucking you? When we come back from the break? SIP tells us about the biggest billy you'll ever meet. The, Main objective of this project is to bring together entrepreneurs and creatives who says similar values, so they can find the courage to put out their authentic voice for the people to hear which allows for them to make that impact on the world. Every great movement started with a memorable speech. Access to full length interviews psychology of entrepreneurship dot com and click the button. Research from two thousand and eleven suggests that approximately seventy percent of people will experience at least one episode of Imposter Syndrome in their lives or read this on a facebook post recently society that makes you conform to all sorts of structures, standing out and being yourself is a rebellious act. There has never been a better time for you to be yourself. I did a test one day. I took a book of Your Book here my hand I took a book and erupt. Play paper, and no one can say it. And I said here's a book I put in the middle of the room to twenty very smart entrepreneurs in this world and I said now just before anyone grabs the book in the book. It's GONNA teach you how to make money and build a business, but it's written by a guy who, in my personal opinion and the opinion of many. Of Integrity in other words, he's done stuff to get to the top notch. Really an alignment and one could say socially out of alignment and out of integrity to get there. WHO WANTS TO BOOK? One Guy put his hand abs absolutely and I said so, what about all the negativity associated? Yeah, but if I can one nugget out of us, that's win for me and I get the logic, but I find that when you take that one nugget, you're taking the energy of the negative nuggets. So when someone wants to be Steve, jobs did you live with Steve Jobs? Do you know what no, no, you go down? The no wonder we're mean the way I am in my personal life I. Just want his business success and acumen. You can't have one without the other. It just Nash, work. We'll have to say when I started my entrepreneurial journey. I think it just like that and in a way. I used to idolize that in people for the character because I wanted to be true to my values and I actually. I really wanted to stand by those values when those values are being challenged, but then I realized how important it was for me to challenge what my values were and what? I believed in the first place. Because for the longest time, I believe different things about myself. Because that was just what was repeated most often while I was growing up. Or maybe that was just what I remembered from all the stuff being said while I was growing up. What did I truly believe in? And how do I be open to be challenged so that I could refine my argument? As to what I believed in all, change my stance. Easy to say difficult to do. Because of all this disconnection primarily through a phone finding the most connected devices ever. I get carried away with what social media shows me about what other people are up to? This makes me not use my most useful muscle of all my intuition. But we've heard everyone tell us to trust our gut. Or intuition. This is status love Petrov born September seventh nineteen. Nine and pasta on the nineteenth of May, twenty seventeen. WanNa know how he single handedly saved the world from nuclear war. Dunlop Petrov is the Russian. Who is now an older man, and is now being creditors for preventing a World War and yet? If this ever goes published this particular piece of this interview, most people would never know who he is. He was sitting. The most sophisticated piece of technology on earth that was designed as an early detection unit for missiles warheads, coming primarily from the United States? This was I believe the early eighties when tensions between Russian America were pretty high. Don't quote me on that, but I think it was dirty. And some are the morning. The lights go off. There's a nuke. It's on its way to Russian. Followed in four or five minutes by at least three or four other nukes, and they're heading for Russia. His re-met in his job description his instructions his orders. Crystal Clear Wayne he detects. He makes one phone call to whatever general. Validates of the machines correct and then they choose whether they're going to retaliate before the massage actually wipe the match. And he didn't make the phone call. He never picked up the phone. He backtracked. He looked at everything looked at the system. The system was operating perfectly. and. There was no way he could tell. It was misreading something. And he went against all of his own all of the rules. His he was meant to do. and. In the end of the day, he just said when someone said in a very famous you said. Why didn't you just call up? You just said I had a feeling in my. Feeling in my gut. Say that. While I seem surprised at this when I think about my journey is entrepreneur even just as a person I. Remember how my got so important at every step of the way. I feel entrepreneurship is a lot to do with trusting your gut and being uncomfortable with a lot of things. And yet entrepreneurship is one of the most painful challenge and things on earth, and if you become an entrepreneur, and you don't make near first time rounders. Then what happens is you send to realize the failure and think actually it's me I'm just not an entrepreneur. Every single person. This earth is an entrepreneur. IF THEY WANNA BE, everybody starts to show how many jobs can be taken out the economy over the next twenty thirty years? It's frightening, so then you're going to have to be an entrepreneur future and think actually it's me I'm just not an entrepreneur. Failing at something can be hard on us up. Steam his what David Meltzer had to say in volume five about the idea of becoming an overnight success, the biggest piece of advice I give. Give to entrepreneurs is the first thing you should do every day is figure out how you stay in business tomorrow. Because if you stay in business long enough, you're going to be more and more successful things evolve. There's no revolution in business. There are no overnight successes there isn't you go I sit with the top entrepreneurs in the world. They none of us are overnight successes, and most of us have what other people believe failed more than anyone. It's like worse than baseball. Imposter Syndrome was first studied by psychologists stop. Poulain rose client in nineteen, seventy eight, and was originally labeled as impostor phenomenon. My whole issue on interviewing these amazing people whether they will jet fighter, pilots, athletes, or singers or entrepreneurs. Was Finding out why. We believe that we're not good enough. Why we sell ourselves short on the things that we've done. And, while I interviewed all these people, my main focus was. And still is to create an audio documentary on Imposter Syndrome. From a perspective of exploring it from all different angles, so I almost always asked these experts this one question. What really imposter, syndrome! I think Posture Syndrome is driven by the fact that we're doing stuff that we should be doing. We're doing stuff that is out of alignment and we are an impostor. Posing on ourselves, we're we're cheating on ourselves. We're doing work that we're not meant to do. No one will ever find as far legal there, so I'm I'm just just picking this up. I'm not trying to expose what you said. Just trying to be cautious with the terminology of when someone finds out who they are. It's almost like an awakening. You're I know you're not suggesting that one morning way companies all a hundred percent, but I think that's the challenges that we feel. Like so many centimeters podcast, reason they. How did you become authentic and I said you're making an assumption I am and they were choking thrown off and they go. You mean you're not. I said I'm more authentic than they used to be. But I'm not even close to where I could be, and we assume every day that we don't have the awareness that we do. That were not as authentic. They're not even as close as the essence of who we are showing up every day than we can be concerned about just saying that win. Someone finds out who they are when I would like to consider when they begin to understand who they are because what I see is we want to go from the riverbank on this side to the river on the other side, which is the greatest expression of who we are and everything around us, emulates from the essence of who we are, and now that our our newfound truth that is a leap too far is not possible intellectual. Yes, emotionally! No, what? What I'm suggesting is begin to uncover who you are, and take the first stepping stone to the second steppingstone third stepping stone, and who knows you may arrive in that bank day. You may not I can tell you one thing you'd be however closer. I do not have imposter syndrome my life right now, I do not feel like an impostor. I feel like I. AM showing up as a line as I've never said this before by the way I'm sitting here and go back to the Congress. Add last thing on earth I was could be or should be doing is what I'm doing now. I'm relating that to when I was fourteen years old, sitting in a classroom, dyslexic and feeling like a piece of Shit and hating was hating the essence of was I spent the next twenty years or so trying to be anything, but felt mckernan. And I'M GONNA spend the rest of my life, being nothing other than Philip mckernan, whatever the felt that even means I. still don't fully know and showing on apologetic everywhere and not talking about using f bombs and hitting the bullshit button, and just being rude and tackling people. That's easy. That's not authenticity. And the more myself with my wife with my children, and with my clients, the more success getting. The more peace of mind him getting I. Do not have Imposter Syndrome in my life right now. When I heard Philip say I think imposter syndrome has driven by the fact that we're doing stuff that we shouldn't be doing. It made me really really uncomfortable. Everything in me made me ask myself the question. Am I doing what I should be doing? That made me go down a rabbit hole of why in an age of disconnection they pasta inside us is alive. and well sir. We heard you enjoyed this volume of psychology of entrepreneurship. Next week we'll be revisiting volume to where runs. Talks deducted Sherry walling about the psychology behind imposter syndrome, and Ben Out, so my name is Dr Sherri Walling, and I am a clinical psychologist, but I work in the world of entrepreneur, mental health, great science also has an element of art, because his great thinking and great thinking is creative. It's different way problems all made. It's hard for me to take seriously anybody who's like Oh. Yeah, my come I. Feel Very nonchalant about my company or like very objective. Probably don't I mean you could be exceptional, but probably ask. If you enjoy this kind of volume listener and we'll keep them coming, but until then we'll see next week. Watch. I interviewed Philip because of all his work with international teams. He has worked with the Canadian Olympic team the Pentagon. and has shared the stage would speak such such as the Delilah Lama and Richard Branson, he is an inspirational speaker, writer and filmmaker. Philip is the founder of the one loss talk, movement, or the of dead men walking switch on paper, poor in life and one loss talk. He has built an orphanage in Peru and traveled to eighty countries. This was like one of the most insightful conversations I've had a bought from challenging in confronting mile believes in many ways. It made me think about stuff that I was. Not doing that I should have. Been Wait for you to listen to the second interview. Because I then spent two days with. Philip interviewed him again off those two days. And it was a very different conversation I'm pretty sure. I cried as well. You'll see a trend. Well the next episodes in this series. We're explore basically what it's like to be in the mind of performers is creative entrepreneurs athletes. Why certain people like jet fighter pilots for example don't have imposter syndrome when they're up in the air, because in that scenario, it's like a question of life or death. This is the most production special thanks to every guest expert that has appeared on the show voice of editing and sound design by Katie, bony men guess retain content by Gould and Corn Castles. Project managed by Kenny Benjamin, produced and hosted by me. For more episodes in wed listen, Goto must amplify dot com slash. Her? Hey Hey, it's Kelly from us. Amplify I'm the sound engineer for this volume of psychology of entrepreneurship. I'm part of the team that made this production come alive I work a part of a global team with studios based in West End Brisbane Austrailia. If you're like a plug, cost in checklist, emailed me at Keighley. Amplify Agency DOT MEDIA THAT'S K I L I at amplify agency DOT media. 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NPR News: 09-14-2021 7PM ET

NPR News Now

04:50 min | Last month

NPR News: 09-14-2021 7PM ET

"Support for npr in the following message. Come from y'all and pamela mon thanking the people who make public radio great every day and also those who listen live from npr in washington. I'm jack speer. Senior american intelligence officials say al qaeda will likely build the capacity to threaten the us homeland from afghanistan within the next two years. Npr's ryan lucas says the assessment follows the taliban takeover of afghanistan after the us withdrawal that projected one to two year time. Line for al qaeda to reconstitute in afghanistan and develop the capability to threaten the. Us is conservative. According to top officials from the defense intelligence agency and the cia one of those officials cia. Deputy director david cohen says the agency has already seen some indications of al qaeda moving to afghanistan the country served as a safe haven for al qaeda the last time the taliban were in power in the nineteen ninety s up through the us invasion following nine eleven the us withdrawal from afghanistan has complicated efforts to combat terrorist groups inside the country but officials say they remain focused on countering the threat ryan lucas npr news washington visor. Expect snow the results of the study of its cova. Nineteen vaccine in children five to eleven years old. By month's end as npr's joe palca explains the company says additional results from even younger children should be available later this year. The fda has given full approval to pfizer to use its vaccine and people older than sixteen and has granted emergency use authorization for using the vaccine in children. Twelve to fifteen. The company says it plans to seek similar authorization for children five to eleven in october and if there are positive results from ongoing clinical studies that authorization could be extended to children. As young as six months. Madonna is also testing. It's cova vaccine and children but for now it's vaccine is only available to people older than eighteen. Joe palca. npr news communities along the texas gulf coast are assessing the damage from hurricane. Nicolas florine martin houston public media reports from galveston where residents called her day relatively minor storm by that city standards hearts of galveston island saw flooding including the streets in the city's historic center. Strong winds took down. Some trees and traffic signs and a large part of the island had its power knocked out but many residents have lived through much more devastating. Storms jackson allman was checking on one of his rental properties in the island center. I think the winds were a little higher than i expected. Yeah i think the island way worse. So i think everybody's just happy that they walked out and they it was. The damage was minimal. Compared to what's come through on the beach side strong winds took the roof off of a sonic drive-in and damaged several fishing piers. I'm florida martin. In galveston oil company chevron announced date intends to triple to ten billion dollars the amount of investments will make in reducing its carbon footprint through twenty twenty eight the same time the company stopped short though of committing to a twenty-fifty net zero emissions target who've comes at a time when producers globally are under mounting pressure from investors on wall street. The dow dropped two hundred ninety. Two points this is npr. The delta variant of the corona viruses back in china after strict lockdowns and quarantines managed to contain a small previous outbreak. Just last month and peers. Emily fang reports authorities are now scrambling again to locate in quarantine all infected people and all costs more than two hundred cases of the highly contagious delta variant had been discovered in southern foods in province. Authorities have locked down the entire city. Where the first cluster was found. These say the variant was brought in from a chinese parent traveling back from singapore in august after which he did three weeks. Quarantine in china and tested negative repeatedly but from there. He infected his child who infected other students parents and workers at a nearby factory. China's october first holiday vacation is coming soon and authorities are likely to reimpose. Strict travel rules again. Emily fang and pure news beijing. The pennsylvania turnpike is known for its high tolls. However it appears at least a big chunk of that money went uncollected last year turnpike records show upwards of one hundred and four million dollars in tolls went uncollected as the agency fully converted to an all electronic system coin turnpike records the millions of americans without ez pass had nearly a one in two chance of using the roadway without paying under a toll by plate system about ten thousand pennsylvania vehicle registrations have been suspended for non payment of tolls but that does not apply to out of state drivers crude oil futures. Prices ended the session. Little changed as tropical storm. Nicholas brought heavy rains to texas louisiana and the gulf coast but less damage than feared oil down or up brother. A penny barrel at seventy forty six. I'm jack speer npr news.

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They're Hiding Some Landmines # 954

The Dan Bongino Show

1:00:08 hr | 2 years ago

They're Hiding Some Landmines # 954

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan bongino. Dan, Bongino, shepherdess Joe, how are you today? Man. As always I'm glad to be here. But good to hear buddy. Always enjoy your presence on this show. Caller, commentary from Armacost. Hey, busy news day. What I want to get you. I gotta stack show. You're not gonna wanna miss. I promise you. But I wanna hate I a number incredible judicial overstep of judicial overreach yesterday trying to crush the Trump team on immigration, but more importantly, I just want to cover from a news angle. We can get that anywhere. I want to give you the new rules. We win you lose response. What we should do. All right. You're not gonna wanna miss this part. Alright. So don't go anywhere today show brought to you by but he's Genucell we love this product my mother-in-law here. She loves it. My wife loves it. Everybody in the house uses Genucel because it's great. 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Put the headline up there on the show, YouTube dot com slash Bongino, California, judge blocks Trump's policy forcing asylum-seekers to stay in Mexico. Ladies and gentlemen. There are no more beds in detention facilities, if you cross the border illegally, and then get here and claim asylum. Your asylum claim you according to the legal process now you have the right to be heard. Right. You do not have the right to be heard and stay here illegally in the country. While it's hurt Donald Trump because we are out of space. President Trump is said you will have to wait in Mexico, and you're going to have to get in line between the vet this point tens of thousands of other people claiming asylum, a judge, of course, yesterday not acting like a judge he wants to act like a politician said no now you get to stay in the United States at policies. No good. Now. He put a stay on it till Friday to give the Trump administration time to get there to get their appeal. Ready? Doesn't matter the judge had no legal basis for think about what this judge said yesterday. Yeah, this is not a judge is persons acting like a politician or not acting like a judge the judicial branch of the government has gone entirely as you surp- powers. They do not have the judge is now claiming jumps anyone anywhere in the world can land here walk here boat here. However, you get to the United States there are. Number of means to do it. Once you step foot on US soil. If you say the magic word asylum. We were no way we can remove you at all while that's asylum claims or to everybody everybody all over the world is going to be incentivized to come here to the United States illegally and just use. The magic words of asylum, and he's a bonehead. Yeah. I don't know what he's thinking. I well, I do know what he's thinking. He's acting like a politician now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a suggestion for you. The reason the judge is using to usurp powers and act like a legislator, not a judge. Which is what he's doing? Is. He says well, Mexico is way too dangerous Joe for us to be able to send people back across the border and a way to hearing later on for Mexico. Joe we clear on us to judge way. Too dangerous Mexico. Yeah. We cannot send people back. Okay. Donald Trump should respond then. He said respond with a temporary closure of the border until Friday. Joe? It's too dangerous. The judge not say that we can't accept this dangerous. Yeah. Liberals are clapping. They're celebrating this judge. Right. It's just too dangerous Mexico close the border close. Do joe. Do you not agree? Closed the border until Friday. This been stayed till fry closed the border. Sure, close it down to Friday. Listen, ladies and gentlemen. I'm a free. Trader I get there will be temporary economic ramifications. But the left is playing for keeps. They are trying to wipe out our borders west east north south granted, we have the benefits of oceans on both sides. It's still a border you come in via port via plane. They're still border there. You still have to pass by border people and for a law enforcement officers assigned to protect our border. Step number one closed the border though, Friday and sell listen. The judge has ruled now do you understand the spot? This is going to put the liberals in Joe. Of yet enemies legislator from the benches ruled because Joe he's an expert in international relations, law enforcement, counterterrorism military. Our ops counter-narcotics, the judge knows all of your sure he does. Yeah. Of course, he knows every mission. Omnipotent he knows everything and he has all this power. So what is the judge to the judges ruled based on his large body of evidence, which he doesn't have an expertise? He doesn't have that Mexico is just too dangerous, and that nobody should be forced back to Mexico while asylum claims to wait at the spite the fact, we have no room for them here, no room in detention facilities. Shut the border down. Playmate on the judge listened to judge said it's too dangerous. We are going to have to reevaluate what's going on here. So watch the left show to this. Crazy. This is what you just said. It was too dangerous. You you want to win this. He wanted to win this or you wanna mess around. Do you want to win the battle for our sovereignty and our border? You cannot have a nation without borders. Listen, I have a family of legal immigrants. I've always been pro legal immigration that sensitive to our labor market. Always always. Yeah. I will never ever ever be pro open borders or illegal immigration, if you don't have respect for our rule of law and our flag the moment you cross our soil. The likelihood will happen later is nil. You have disrespected are la- we have laws like every other country on her. And the law says you are free to enter here via a process a visa application a legal immigration application. We will welcome you. We do. Not welcome you. If you decide to break, those laws some of those asylum claims, maybe legitimate, many or not you cannot wait here in detention facilities. We don't have room in anymore. You have to wait in Mexico. Liberal saved Mexico's too dangerous closed the border. Second step. Our State Department should send out advisory based on recent judicial rulings regarding asylum-seeking and the dangerous in Mexico. We are issuing a travel advisory to Mexico all the Mexican government would lose their marbles. You see the tourism industry. Daddy. You may say oh my gosh. Dan, that's a little harsh. You're sure we want to go down that road. Yes. I'm sure issue the travel advisory make the liberal politicians come out and admit that what this judge said was false. We can issue a travel advisory shut down to border. This is absurd. Mexico's not dangerous. You just said it was. Ladies and gentlemen, we are in a fight for our national sovereignty. There is no more room in detention facilities. Our borders are being systematically wiped out. I told you yesterday I would address what's going on with immigration. I'm going to add one more thing. And I'm gonna move on. Because I got some really terrific stuff. Another another case today. We have to scrap this Florus. There has to be a strong legislative push everywhere. A national agenda to get rid of this Flora's consent decree there has to be a legislative fix to this Flora's consent decree Bush had to deal with this Obama had to deal with this and Trump had to deal with this. It has to deal with it. Now. Use the correct tense says that roughly twenty days we cannot keep children in a detention facility if they're brought here illegally. Well, what does that done? It's create an incentive for people to bring children with them across the border on this dangerous journey knowing they will be released with the children into the country after twenty days, ladies and gentlemen, that has to go either we have to hire more immigration judges to expedite these hearings at the border and less than twenty days or we have to legislatively scrap Florez, and enable the government to detain family units together, while their cases being heard we cannot systematically release people into the country because they brought a child across the border because what is it doing? Joe it's creating an assembly line of children who don't even belong to the people who are crossing the border in many cases. That's right. This is dangerous for the kids. Do you not understand that kids are being used as props? So you could be released into the country after twenty days, we need a strong national legislative push to get rid of this now. Sickening. What's happened? It's happening. All right. One quick. I got a lot of questions history about the secret service director Randolph als being being let go I listen. I don't have a lot to add on it. I know the new director very well Jim Murray, the new appointed director. He's a great guy. We worked together in New York field office. I think it's another excellent pick by Trump that the reasoning behind it als- being like, oh, I don't think it has anything to do with the mar-a-lago incident with with the Chinese national and the and the equipment computer equipment and things like that. I'm pretty sure that's not the reason based on what I'm getting als was John Kelly appointee. And there's just a house cleaning DHS that happens all the time in presidential administrations. But I can assure you just quickly. Jim Murray's a very good guy. More than competent extensive criminal experienced in New York. Remember the secret services of bifurcated agency? They do criminal investigations and protection Murray is deeply skilled in. Both was an excellent excellent agent. And it was really good pick by Donald Trump. I think he'll do very well. So congrats to Jim Murray, and that's really my input. I don't want to waste a lot of your time on stuff. I don't have deep color commentary on. But the gym is a really good guy. Okay. Moving on Bill de Blasio. What did strikes again, mayor New York? This is an important story. You know, I try to stay out of strictly regional issues because it's an it's an international show. We have a rather large audience of well over a quarter million people around the world, and I don't like to stick to just regional issues because they don't apply to everyone. What happens with the Blasios when New York always applies to everyone because he is one of the the the tip of the spear leading advancers and propagandists for socialists in the country right now. And he's in one of the most powerful positions in the country, which is the mayorship of New York City. You know, I had a history teacher by AP history teacher in high school John D Oreo who is a good guy. He's a democrat. But I liked him a lot. He was brilliant guy and Diario used to tell me. He he's tell the class actually say with that Italian accident has the three most powerful people in the world. Are the president the Russian president or? Ratchet president I love these classes and the mayor of New York City. I remember ever saying, well, you can you can take it or leave it for it. If you believe that's true or not, but the mayor of New York state, he's very powerful. So what have I always told you about socialism people like the Blasi? Oh, and this radical shift to the left wells a piece in the Washington Examiner today, which describes what I've said, this is a Caterpillar Listrik movement identity politics. Here's a piece in the Washington Examiner by Beckett Adams who can't stand me. But that's okay. Rates could better. Hold grudges. The Blasios annoys activists by trying to share out reparations among all aggrieved voter blocs. I'll have Beckett's piece up in my show notes today, pudgy dot com for your read. This is a great piece for you to read you have got to read this. Because Joe we nail this one a months ago. Yeah. When we said, listen as the twenty twenty campaign for the presidency kicks in what's going to happen. Eventually it's going to become a race to pander to new groups. You wanna make sure you enshrine his victims. But by searching for new groups as victims, you're going to have to abandon all. To his victim there right now. I always give a couple examples. So you understand what we're talking about Joe, and I hit this alive. So that sounds complicate when you constantly have to recruit new victims. In other words, you were radical liberal and your whole platform is conservatives Republicans in the United States victimize you because they did whatever fill in the blank. Just fill it. It doesn't make a difference. They will make your tax policy the richer taken advantage you healthcare. The your insurance companies are taking advantage, you private schools private schools are taking advantage. You. Everybody's always victimizing you the problem with that. Is you eventually run out of other victims because it trying to agree classes of people you're going to impact other classes of people advertently or inadvertently, what do I mean by this? Here's a great example. What's happening in New York with the Blasi? Oh is fascinating. The Blasio wants racial equality. Would he calls it because it's never equal involves treating people on equally in some of their elite high schools. There's a test they get into the elite public high schools in New York. It's it's a test that doesn't matter if you're Asian black Hispanic you have to take the test and get a score. That's it. The Blasios doesn't like that. Because only a small portion of the attendees in these elite high schools in the Bronx science and others are happened. To be black and Hispanic. He doesn't like that. Now, the Blasios Joe not- notice. He doesn't mention the fact that the socialist policy uses to enforce inferior education upon black and Hispanic students that live in inner cities, he doesn't mention that. Now, of course, the failure to produce qualified students his fault. What he does is he blames the test. So the Blasio wants to start instituting some form of quotas for these elite high schools in New York based on race. Well, what happens with that? Well, again seeking out new classes of victims. Oh, you've been victimized by the elite public high schools. Asian Americans who happened to be minorities as well whose kids happen to do very well based on the proportion of Asian students entering these schools Asian students like way way, let me get this strain. So I do very well on the test. I happen to be a minority as well. And I have to give up my spot to a nother student who didn't do as well because you're enacting a quota because your public schools failed them am I reading this, right? The Asian families. Don't like this at all. And they are fighting back hard core again identity politics, not based at not not based on opportunity, but based on their version of equality and quotas will always sick one group against the next. So now Asian. Ericans who have their kids in these schools? Are are rightfully so offended by the fact that their kids have to score extra high to get it. You see this in college applications as well with the average age Asian students to score three hundred points higher than a black student to get into a college of his choice or her choice. How's that fair? The second example, flip the script again. Minority black and Hispanic citizens of the United States who see illegal immigrants tying into story one coming into their communities and undercutting wages in some of their labor, jobs and other jobs that otherwise black and Hispanic men and women citizens of the United States Joe would have build they're losing out on these jobs to illegal immigrants who come into the country and work Oteibi off the books. So now in your zeal to defend another one of your victim classes illegal immigrants you now offend black and Hispanic American citizens. Do you understand how when you don't have a set of common laws rules and procedures that apply to everyone and you pick and choose your victim class in an effort to placate them. You naturally there's no way around it will eventually offend other people in another victim class you tried to. There's no other that my examples make sense joke. Yeah. Yeah. Right on the my Trianon cordoned off the pie into union workers union workers blacks versus whites whites versus Hispanics, Asians, versus whites versus Hispanics, Hispanics versus Asians, Muslims versus Jews Jews versus by trying to do this. Instead of just saying the rules apply to everybody. You naturally are going to engage in some cannibalistic endeavor where the identity politics movement eats self alive. Let's get. Back to the piece Beckett Adams piece. What happens now, the Blasios answers that question at an event from a woman who wants to know about reparations payments made to the ancestors of who were slaves African American slaves in America. Where does the Blasi your stand on reparation? What is the Blasios say the Blasio fires back and says, you know, this is a great idea. But I think if we're gonna do reparations, we would I raise we should have reparations for Latinos native, Americans Asians, women discs lady, doesn't like that answer at all. She's like this is no good. Joe? This is the equivalent of saying all lives matter, which by the way is only a controversial statement on the left right show. All who all if you can't say that. Well, what they don't matter. No. You just can't say that it takes away from black lives matter. No black lives matter to 'cause they're all lives. All all do. We have to do for those. You wanna watch the visuals? Very scientific YouTube dot com slash Bongino, shaking up. I'm gonna make a very separate scientific diagram. All for those on the audio. I've just making a circle of my hands all lies encompassed black lives. Why Bligh's Asian lives? Women lives infant lives. All lives do matter because we believe the rules apply to everybody. That's how a constitutional Republic works. Disl-? Eighty was horrified that to Blasio said that what are you mean reparations for Asians and women and Latinos and native Americans? I'm talking about reparations for the descendants of of African American slaves. Joe 'em in this is the heart of identity politics. Don't ever forget this this movement will inherently eat itself alive because you can't have victim classes that don't intern take away and harm other people. You're trying to paint his victim classes too. So now, you're telling Latino Americans that build the Blasi wants reparations for two. And wealth distribution, you're telling them, not only are Latinos, a native Americans who may have their own significant historical gripes fair enough that they not only Joe won't receive reparations, but they'll have to pay reparations to the descendants of African American slaves and later Americans were maybe on the trail of tears or whatever rightfully so by that logic would say, well, where am I reparations? What about me what? Expiratory me baby fair enough. If don't end the rules, what about Asian Americans intern to our World War Two. Why not? Never ever ends. I saw this piece in the show today. Please read it keep it on your phone because I want you in the reparations argument comes up to say, well, what about them? Yeah. What about all of these other groups that have a legitimate historical grievance? Yes, sir. What about people whose land was confiscated, regardless of their race culture or sex by the government and illicit schemes in the past. Do they get it? It will eat itself alive. This never. All right. I've got some good stuff. I'm about to expose a media guy who was a Russian tool and a useful idiot. And I'm wanted because this guy thought he was a real he's been he's desperately trying to run interference for the Obama administration. I wanna point to you because I've failed to do this in some of my past shows. It's going to be in book two I promise. 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I was watching it Twitter exchange between David corn who was one of the useful idiots in Russia probe and match slap from the acu American conservative union, the organization that runs CPAC where David. Seems to still be this guy, by the way, keep in mind. David corn pretends to be a journalist, I stayed pretends because he's an activist. He's a fulltime activists. Make no mistake. He was what who who broke the story about? I used to go to meetings DC for conservatives. He wrote this big story. Conservatives meeting TC to discuss conservatives. We're all caught man. We're all busted by God is no seriously like the guys that lunatic. So he was one of the key players in advancing the dossier, the false information that that's yeah. He was the tool they used one of them to get this out there administer even a second. But the background on this is critical because I noticed that Matt had made some comments about the Obama administration's involvement in this David instantly jumped to the defend the Obama. I'm you have no evidence that the Obama administration was involved in this spying operation on Trump. I haven't covered this shockingly. It'll be in book to my second book exonerated the fail. Takedown of Donald Trump the swamp pick it up if you haven't checked it out yet. But I haven't really gone into this the evidence we have that the Obama administration was heavily involved in it. So I'm going to do that to make corn look silly. But I I want to show you why David corn is that a panic put up his mother Jones piece, if you don't mind on the screen, my lovely wife, Paula this is a piece by David corn. Liberal activists from mother Jones, one of the worst online propaganda outlets out there dated notice the date, folks. This is important October thirty first twenty twenty sixteen in other words, right before the election conveniently timed for liberal activists. David corn to do maximum damage to Donald Trump somebody leaked to him. That a veteran spy whose s use me as Christopher Steele. Of course as given the FBI information, alleging a Russian operation to, cultivate, Donald Trump has two zero investigative this material. You mean the fake material the material these not embarrassed at all by the way that he wrote an article based on fake material. He's Gordon is not. Embarrassed at all he's proud of his role as a useful idiot for the Russians the liberal media and the activists lab so just to be clear just days before the election. He writes, a piece remember all these people, by the way, you've told us this. This is an important point folks in an important takeaway. To this day. Some of the liberals up on the hill will insist listen you guys leaked the information the FBI about Hillary, and that July fifth press conference about her involvement in the Email scandal, you guys like it was by the way because that hat Komi who screwed that up to you leak that to do damage to Hillary. But nobody leaked anything about the Trump investigation before the election. You understand where I'm going with this. This is implicit important. Takeaway, one of the liberal talking points as always been that the Trump investigation spy gate operation wasn't leaked before the election. But Hillary's Email scandal was because they wanted to hurt Hillary and help Trump. That's not true. Then the headline up again Tober thirty. I it's just not true, you could Google this piece of sound that putting this on the show. And I came in this guy who any additional clicks, I had to do it already on Twitter, which RFID me, but I wanted to show people how this guy's an activist not a reporter October thirty first two thousand sixteen dares. A leak about the investigation. Is it that story that narrative the FBI was trying to help Trump? They didn't leak the investigate there. It is right there. Look at it yourself. It's up on the screen. I just read to you the title. Now, here's a snippet from the peace indicating how this alleged journalist because they knew he was a liberal activist would be more than happy to lap up like a dog licking lipping Licken water, a kitten licking ball milk would be happy to lap up anti Trump information, even though it's fake and put it in a report report, depending to be adjourned pretending to be a journalist is from the peace. She started he's talking about Harry Reid. Harry Reid who gets a briefing by John Brennan in August of twenty sixteen. Harry Reid gets a briefing by John Brennan, the CIA director under Obama, I'm gonna get the Obama seven a second. I want to set it up for you to show you why corn is running interference. He knows his role in this. He says read and written a Komi and demanded an investigation of quote, the connections between the Russian government Donald Trump's presidential campaign, and in that letter he indirectly referred to Carter page. Wow. Isn't this fascinating? Wait, wait. This goes on. And why do I say that's fascinating because Carter page only appears in the dossier. How does core know about this? How does core? No. Because he's getting the dossier information fed to them. But he's not checking it to be real. He just wants to hurt Trump before the election. This goes on at the end, it says, an a former senior intelligence officer for a western country who specializes in rough Russian counter-intelligence. He's talking about steel tells mother Jones in recent months, he provided the bureau with memo's based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, this is a sterile. This is hysterical record is laying out. The case you got a guy paid by the Clinton team Christopher Steele through a law firm. Fusion GPS is interacting with the Russians to give him information. He's in. It's Joe am I missing except here. He as the Russian Cologne. Tool. He wrote it in his own piece. We have information from a spy who's working with the Russians. It was paid for by Hillary. This guy is such a tool. He's so dumb. He writes it his own piece. He's a Russian Koluder. The piece goes on to puts a shine on steel he has to put a shine on Christopher Steele out of make the fake information steel has in the dossier to make it legitimate. Here's a second tidbit from the peace here. He says for the former spy tells mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive and important information to the US government. This tools getting worked again day. Horn the useful Eddie he's offended, by the way that I'm name calling him. You're a tool you're a tool. I'm sorry, brother. You are need deep in the police stayed operation. A spy on the president United States and your delicate sensibilities are offended hard pass fess up. Do the right thing. You were a useful idiot. This second part is important. Why is he putting shine on steel? Because Joe is I've told you from the start I am reasonably confident based on the two thousand seven Wall Street Journal article de attempted I o five Russian Koluder model, the Democrats and used before against McCain, and others Manafort and other people that this model they had used they needed someone to put their name on the Russian Koluder information. In other words, Trump's arrests included they tried this before they needed someone credible steel at work with the FBI before on the soccer corruption case, so they had to put a shine on steel, even though I believe the majority of the information or I should say the majority large swath survey were not actually produced by steel. But they needed steals name because he had been a credible source before and they needed useful idiots like David corn who pretends to be a journalist to put a shine on steel to make the dossier used in the fight Warren appear legitimate. When it wasn't corn is a Russian tool. He doesn't even know it. He exposes himself in his own piece. Okay. Now, you understand corn is not a dumb guy. His tweets are dumb his efforts to not just come clean it amid he's a Russian tool or dumb, but corns running interference against match slap and trying to defend the Obama White House because he doesn't want his role in this to come out. So corn stake is we have no evidence that the Obama White House was involved this. We don't this guy fundamentally misunderstands what evidence is now. It's fair enough for him to say there is not conclusive proof fine. I'm okay with them. What is not was absolutely inaccurate kinda gross and a clear propaganda effort by failed. Journalists not interested in the facts. What is clearly nonsense is saying there's no evidence. The Obama White House was evolve that is garbage. Let's go to this piece by Andy McCarthy, I put in the show notes today. It's an older piece. But it covers some of the more prominent stroke page texts. One of them. Here's the piece it's titled the stroke page, text and the origins of the Trump Russia investigation. It's may fourteen twenty eighteen thank you Paul as getting nice with this. She's like the you should go work for like, Fox News. I may have to give I meant to give you a significant race to keep you. She's not getting really sharp with this stuff. That's McCarthy's piece. It'll be in the show notes. Thank you series. Read it it has some of the more damning tax. Here's the one that's going to open your eyes again, David core. Tell me how there's no evidence that the White House was involved in the fake doc- FIS operation to spy on Trump. Let's read this stroke text. He's texting Lisa page. This is from August fifth twenty sixteen. And high went well best. We could have expected other than this part is redacted, by the way other than something. He goes on. He says that a tax to pay just as critical the White House is running this. This is a direct quote, keep in mind. The case opens just a few days earlier. A few days earlier the case opens July thirtieth twenty sixteen. There is a series of back and forth. I can't read them all Andy McCarthy keep this up for a second. Please lays out in this national review piece where for those that critical period from July thirtieth do the first week in August Lisa page. The FBI lawyer involved in the Trump probe and Peter stroke, delete FBI agent investigator through those days are talking about in that first week almost exclusively the Trump investigation based on this fake phony dossier. Corns defense to this. Well, we don't know they're talking about the spy case. No, no. I know David. So for five days after they opened a case six days the first week they're talking about it exclusively. But it comes to the text the White House is running this. Now, they're talking about the White House's running charity marathon in West Virginia. This is a journalist air quotes journalists pretend this guy's supposed to be interested in the facts. All right. So let's give Corrina pass. He's not that bright. Actually is that. Right. That's what bothers me because he's a liar. And he knows he's lying. Stay is the fences are that they were talking about a, you know, a charity marathon in Virginia. The White House was organizing Peter stroke in and nothing to do with spy game. Let's put up this other piece from Catherine Herridge again and older piece but worth revisiting Catherine Herridge and Greg to give a proper credit title FBI classroom DOJ over potential bias of their source for surveillance Warren in this is in the McCabe page texts inside the piece, here's another text that we just had involving McCabe stroke and Lisa page. This one again talks about meetings at the White House. Talking about agency people here's this tax on October, fourteen twenty sixteen just a few months later. Lisa page writes, the deputy director Andy McCabe, this time concerning a meeting with the White House. Just called Lisa page says to McCabe apparently, Sally Yates, the deputy attorney general now wants to be there and the White House wants DOJ to host. So we are setting that up. Now, we will very much need to get Coen's view before we meet with her Coen's. Deputy director of the what works for John Brennan. Obviously better have him weighing in with her before the meeting, we need to speak with one voice. If that is in fact, the case McCabe responds with back within the hour. Thanks. I will reach out to David David Cohen, the deputy director the CIA and on August, October nineteen just five days later page rights to McCabe that the meeting with White House counsel is finally set up and David I know you don't understand what evidence means, but you asked match slap to produce evidence of the White House's involvement, and it's interesting, I produce that evidence for you, and you ignore it. Then he demands proof. He always absolute this is what we do. We put together a case based on a series of circumstances in evidence that in the end leads to and the criminal arena least away conviction beyond reasonable doubts. I'm asking you is it reasonable to assume that the Depa. Of Justice, the Central Intelligence Agency, David Cohen and John Brennan, the national security administration. Jim Clapper deny the FBI foreign intelligence, they are all working this case texting each other about White House meetings. The White House is run east and setting up meetings at the White House. Is it reasonable to believe that all of this is happening? And these texts are about the White House and Barack Obama and his team have no knowledge at all of what's happening. Ladies and gentlemen. This is an actual reporter tweeting this. This Joe, I'm just asking you for and comments. And folks, I mean this because I had respect by Email me back an alternative explanation that sounds reasonable to you remember in the court system. No one's proven innocent innocence, not a category, you're proven not guilty. Right. And if you approved guilty, no one says, you're proven guilty on any reasonable doubt. Only God knows what really happened. Sometimes that's standard fails cho- innocent people, sadly, go to jail often not often and want to be dramatic. But it does happen. It doesn't I'm asking this reporter alleged reporter to look at the evidence does that sound reasonable to you dare emailing and texting each other about White House meetings meetings with the speaking move, one voice to White House is running this days after the investigation is open, and you take it's about a charity marathon in West Virginia. And you claim to be jerk. Analyst. Oh, by the way, you're the same journalist who was fed nonsense information and published it as a useful Etienne. Nelson much time. What a dunce one Danz you. Are you published a bunch of unverified crap at while putting the shine on a foreign source that lied to you what a dunce duds? My gosh. Can you be any dumber and he's still running interference? I might have not that. There's no evidence. 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What's about to blow is something very very serious, Devin newness, the excellent Republican congressman has been all over this by gay case from the beginning has been on top of this and hinting at it through the newness translator. If you know what to listen for for very long time. And what I believe is about to blow is a key critical question. I've been asking you from the start that I cannot hammer home enough for you. And I'm really sorry. If this is redundant, but it is important to understand this the entire case that somebody on the Trump team either Carter page popadopoulos and this case popadopoulos colluded with the rushes is based on one April twenty sixteen meeting this guy, George popadopoulos who has recently hired by the Trump team is a foreign policy adviser. This this person pushes him into the meeting who's got interesting connections Arvind or som- bay interesting connections and selves there, but pushes him into a meeting with this guy. Joseph miss sued this guy, Joseph Smith sued is alleged to be the guy who tells popadopoulos about the Russian dirt on Hillary, ladies and gentlemen, please understand that is the collusion case because later on again, according to the FBI narrative, which is false popadopoulos tells an Australian in London Australian embassador sky Alexsandr Downer about that interaction. Hey, some guy told me about Russian collusion. There you go. We got folks this whole thing relies on the fact that Joseph Smith sued is a Russian agent because you can't collude with a Russian agent who's not rushing nor is not working as a Russian carve out. Now. This is important because slimy sleazy, Adam Schiff disc-. Delatour of this he-man story has insisted even in one of his memos that popadopoulos met with a Russian quote intermediary, referring to miss certain. It's not hard understand, folks. The Democrats are alleging a guy connected to Trump popadopoulos a foreign policy adviser took information from a Russian intermediary about dirt on Hillary that Russian intermediaries alleged to be this guy. Miss certain. That's their whole case folks have insisted from the start Masud is not a Russian asset. That's not that's bad enough. Because then your whole cases gone. I've insisted you from the start in our first book spy gate, we make open and shut case on this. Mifsud was a setup it wasn't effort to entrap popadopoulos as a member of the Trump team. Not only is he not getting information from a Russian. He's getting information from friendlies to the US who are trying to entrap popadopoulos. Now, I have not covered this in a while. But it's important because this is what's about to blow. I always liked to be a few months ahead of the new cycle and go back and listen to old shows the proof is in the pudding. So let's go to Margo Cleveland piece number one. This is an older piece which is in my show notes today. Margot Cleveland is an excellent writer hat tip tour at the federalist who deserves a Pulitzer with Chuck Ross others for and Jeff Carlson at the at the epoch times there for exposing the secrets in this case. Here's the piece for Margaret Cleveland, why the FBI needs yet another cover story for starting spiking. Here's the gist of this one. She says the first FIS at a spy on the Trump t- the FIS a warrant to spy on the Trump thieves issue October of two thousand sixteen. The New York Times seems to indicate whether their articles there that the FBI knew about this quote dirt on Hillary by the time the October twenty sixteen was issue. But if you read this piece in the show today, you'll pick out a couple of things. How did they know about the dirt on Hillary? They didn't interview pop it up until January twenty seventeen. Folks, track me here. If the only place the dirt on Hillary line is used is between popadopoulos and Masud in this April of twenty sixteen meeting, right, right? And that term dirt dirt. Don't forget these dirt line. Joe dirt. This is going to be the key to blowing this open. How does the FBI no in October of two thousand sixteen in their Pfizer warm about the miss sued dirt dirt conversation. You say, oh, well, they got it. From downer. Downer told them in right before July twenty sixteen. No, no Downer. Says he never mentioned this dirt on Hillary comment. So how do they know about the Masud meeting? I don't miss Subas the Russian asset of Russian assets working with the FBI. Well, you sure about that. Ladies and gentlemen, there were only two explanations. The lead into the next. This is why I set them up this way. And if you read these two Margot Cleveland pieces of so all makes it by the way, I'm going to blow this up in book two big time working on today. The only way they could have found out about this dirt line. Oh, I told popadopoulos about dirt on Hillary is from Masud himself. But ladies and gentlemen, if Masuda say Russian asset, why is the FBI working with the Russian asset who Adam Schiff is alleging is some kind of spy for the Russians quite a conundrum quite a conundrum. Joe is Paula. We need to put down on his shirt, quite a conundrum on Joe Armacost does create quite a conundrum desert. Sure does. Now, Joe does that seem likely that the F B I thinking, there's a major Russian collusion scandal to feed information for the Trump team is actually working with the Russians and the Russian carve out. I don't think. So. No, no, no. It sounds bad. Sounds pretty stupid. This second explanations. Ins highly likely, if you read my first book, you already know it Joseph Masud is connected to western intelligence assets that are friendly to the United States the United Kingdom and others do his link campus. It now appears highly likely that move sued was a western intelligence asset. Was working with people whether wittingly or unwittingly to setup popadopoulos. I don't think pop. I don't think out all the details about what he was doing. But he was prompted this is highly highly likely based on the evidence and based on the comments of his own lawyer, MRs lawyer who says he's a western intelligence asset that MS sued was prompted to tell popadopoulos about dirt on Hillary. So that they could use it to get a warrant on popadopoulos. I forgot about the lewd call that. Yeah. We would call that framing someone. Yeah. Now, there's a third explanation. Put it out there something I've indicated as a possibility, but I'll make it quick. I want to move onto a even more damaging piece of information indicating that Masud was not a Russian intermediary. They are lying to you. Ms Sudas, the key figure in a government conspiracy legitimate conspiracy to set up the Trump team. The third explanation. His Masud is an intelligence asset working with friendly intelligence operators, and the F B is unaware of it. In other words, the F B I really believes miss Russian asset, even though he's working at the behest of friendlies western intelligence assets. I doubt it I'll tell you. Why in a second? But I want to keep that out there that keep in mind. The FBI interviews myth sued in February of two thousand seventeen after they interview popadopoulos he comes into the country to speak at this event. Co by the State Department while how'd that happen. How do you get into the country? I thought he was a Russian spy, and he FBI let's go again never to be seen again. As I always say, he goes to the Renan stimpy land of the left song where they go. Nobody knows. We still can't find Masud. The italian. Authorities seem quite interested in Minnesota lately though. We'll see where that one goes. Let's go after this next Margo Cleveland peace 'cause it's gonna put together. Again, the point. I'm trying to make there's only two stories that can exist here. Okay. And they cannot coexist in the same space either a Russian carve out an intermediary who tried to relay information to the Trump team and popadopoulos was the Russian Koluder. Or Masud is not a Russian asset and was working for someone and they're trying to hide it. We was working for by the way. One more thing to keep in mind popadopoulos is never ever charged in his statement of offense popadopoulos, he's never charged with meeting with a Russian agent ever ever Muller. Never charges him dot misread was the Russian intermediary agent. How come he was never charged? Interesting fascinating because Muller's poll probe is a scam. That's why second piece by marvel. Bargo Cleveland at titled if you inspect the FIS applications closely more mysteries arise about Josef. Mifsud? Great piece in the show notes again today. Police read it these are older pieces creek there key to putting the story. Maeve sued cannot be two things at the same time. He cannot be a Russian asset and a friendly at the same time. He's not disguise not a triple quadruple agent. Margo Cleveland has a fascinating piece the one I just had a wishy shows how in this critical period January to April twenty seventeen why is this critical? It's critical because there's this. This is where the this is the period between the second and third FIS award. The first warrant is issued FIS is applied for an October of two thousand sixteen job. There's ninety days as before it lapses. The second one is in January the third one is in April. So when this January to April period between the second and third Pfizer application renewal. There should be some key updates. If you're following the stories it's going to jump out to you right now, we should be able to look at those two renewals and see a key update. What should that update? Bj? Oh, well, what happens in January of twenty seventeen popadopoulos interviewed. You would think in this update of popadopoulos met with a Russian agent. It would be the April update right show. Yeah. January in the April re up for the FIS that you should see some new information. Yeah. It's not there. What else happens in February in this critical January to April period between Pfizer renewals in February's? Cleveland points out miss Sudas interviewed and he's allowed to leave the country where he goes, no body knows. Why isn't they interviewed a Russian agent right show? According to Adam Schiff. Yeah. Trinity air quotes. There's gotta be some updated April application about what they got from the Russian agents. Why they let him go. But there's nothing. There's nothing in there. Dharar no up dope. Up of moved. There is an update doll. You following me? Folks. If the story Adam shift is sleazeball watching to believe that Nunez is about to expose that popadopoulos met with a Russian agent. That's the Genesis of this whole scandal that how come popadopoulos never charging meeting with a Russian agent. The guy they allege is a Russian agent Masud is interviewed by the FBI in February of two thousand seventeen yet in April when they have to go back to the Pfizer court with this. All this information about the Russian agent, they interviewed there's nothing in there except for one change in a footnote. Oh, you are good out there. You are good. From the Margot Cleveland piece, the only apparent talk in my life by the only apparent change in that section shocking about the FIS are- up in April. Came in the concluding paragraph dealing with pages established relationship with government officials with a slight addition to the footnote see page one ninety two of the FIS the application file, so in other words, hold that up there one minimum. There's a revision to a footnote what is that revision? This is fascinating stuff of particular note. The footnote included a new freedom of information act request exemption notation b seven d slash one which allows the government so just to be clear before I finish this. There's an additional footnote where the government in their FIS application in April after they've interviewed miss this alleged Russian intermediary there. Now requesting an exemption to the freedom of information act. In other words, we're trying to hide something. And what is that information based on this exemption allows the government to withhold information? That quote. It could be reasonably expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source. Ding, ding, ding. Yeah. Either the FBI the F B I. County Utah finds out in February in January of twenty seventeen pursuant to their popadopoulos. Myth sued interviews, either they find out then that have sued is not a Russian agent or is and it's an intelligence asset. Hence, the footnote we need to protect the identity of confidential source. Or they had known the whole time. We're trying to get popadopoulos to play ball and flip on the Trump team. Popadopoulos doesn't flip. And now they're in a panic that popadopoulos may go to the press. So they have to lock them up somehow. And that's when the Texas civil war starts in July of two thousand seventeen when all the texts come out. Folks that footnote is absolutely critical. Why is the FBI trying to hide the identity of a confidential source in an April renewal right after they interviewed the guy who they're saying? The whole time is not a confidential source Masuba a Russian intermediary who conveniently disappears right after that listen to be pleased bookmark this show. What is it episode nine fifty four because I'm telling you, this is what's in the reductions, and this is a key component of what's gonna come out that is going to entirely discredit this sleazeball. Adam Schiff who has been pushing this myth sudras a Russian intermediary the entire time. He is lying. The intermediary. That was being used setup topless was not Russian. They were friendly Intel assets working with the Obama administration. David corn doesn't want you to know about the useful idiot. Wow. That was a stack show tonight. All right, folks. Don't miss tomorrow's show. I promised him and eat some other stuff too. I wanna cover some more healthcare stuff. I got another devastating story about government healthcare. I want to get to and some more cops some stuff on the bar testimony today. Please subscribe to our YouTube channel, YouTube dot com slash Bongino. As described to the audio podcast on itunes soundcloud, by heart radio, you can play us on Google podcast, but this scripture their free, it's the subscriptions. I don't know why they work this way. But that drives up the charts and help other people find the show, and we really really appreciate that from the bottom, my heart. Thank you very much. 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March 30th: VIP Guest  Chris Wood

NoCo Now ? 1310 KFKA

14:51 min | 7 months ago

March 30th: VIP Guest Chris Wood

"Uh-huh ten thirty seven so we've been talking with. Chris would editor and publisher of biz. West long enough that now. He's like expecting me to pick up some of the terminology. Like i feel like we've got a quiz because we're talking about specs. Spic came and apparently we've talked about this before. He even put this in his nose. He's like hey. We've talked about this before so mike. Okay i'm like racking my head and my what are we do. What is this. I just learned what a unicorn was k. so chris what editor publisher business. Chris before we go. Can we have a review like can we. Can we review a little bit before we dive into these. Yeah we i. I have to do this myself. a lot of times when we when we talk about some of these things but We do kind of an underlying theme today. of referring to A unicorn another unicorn which will get into respect Back is a special purpose. I it's answer special purpose. Acquisition corporation and a pack is essentially a shell company that is formed and goes public with the intent merged with another company so back itself Doesn't really have any products that doesn't do any business but it has public status publicly traded and they are formed as a way for companies to go public without going through all of the time and expense of an ipo. So we've seen it Many times here this year already With companies that are merging with spats as a way to go public and they've really Kicked in over the last year and a half. We've seen nationally a wave. Of spats things have been around for a long time but they literally the david loaded here in the last year and a half partly because of the pandemic and it's tough for a company to traditional ipo It takes a long time for that to get through the securities and exchange commission. Spac is If you're a if you have a track record as someone who has Succeeded with companies. And we've got an example here of brad bell two very prominent boulder Venture capitalist and entrepreneur. He's invested in dozens of companies one of the founders of techstars A an accelerator out of boulder which has chapters around the world now and techstars He founded with jared police and david cohen david brown Very very famous accelerator. One of the one of the original accelerators Around the world Well Brad belt has now formed another back. I believe it's his second one This year spat Once it is formed As believe two years in order to find a merger acquisition candidate But this one. Brad feld is now To raise up to two hundred thirty million dollars with Another spac It's just just over the The two hundred twenty five million that raised earlier this year in january for a spat and once he's formed in the back goes out and they seek Aquisition candidates as a way for that target company then to go public using the public status of of the spac so Brad belt now Doing another one i counted. I think around january there were about three Spats that were being formed in boulder alone seeking to raise more than a billion dollars in one of those was Brad bell's two hundred twenty five million dollar raise To a company called crucible. Acquisition corporation now is launching a crucible acquisition corporation to Real creative with the name. they're exactly But but That is a definitely a way we seen With a number of companies and and now we have another one To report right With so my logic a biotech company out of boulder they are now going public With pay through a back merger and this merger values them at one point two three billion dollars which makes them what. It makes them a unicorn absolutely very good very good or being a startup that cheese a billion dollars or more in valuation right right right and so what what. We're talking about this a little bit to these companies going public. Another reason that i would have to imagine chris. Y these are so appealing is because not only you know. Some of these new New companies when they go public. There's a little bit of Worry i guess about them right there. They don't feel confident. This puts a backing of a bigger name or a bigger company. This is oh he's behind him then. It breeds that confidence. Maybe a little bit earlier once company goes public. Is that right. yeah. I would say so. Although there there is some concern about facts you know we. We have not gone through. We have not experienced for a long time in terms of this this waiver factor at a record level right now. There's some concern that it is so easy now through a pulp for a company to go public through a merger with a spat with already publicly traded company. That they they Some of the companies. And i'm not speaking of the ones we're talking about today right there. Art out there that might go public back that maybe shouldn't have couldn't have gone public through a traditional ipo. maybe they didn't have the financials or the The potential So there is some concern that it might be too easy for for some of these companies to go public in that way but if if investors are are mindful and careful about what they're investing in at the track record of behind the fact that that's a key a key thing investors have to be very cautious and very Ah do their due diligence about the people behind us back and ensure that they have a track record of success and and kind of picking the right Picking the right horse so to speak talking with chris. What editor publisher biz west. What is it that that Soma logic does. I mean you know you said a biotech company Do they have a specialty. Yeah they do. They basically developed different platforms that can read really thousands of different proteins in a patient's blood or urine samples for example and their technology their their platforms are used by Companies that you would recognize amgen or novartis there. They both use Some logics platform to major these proteins in in blowout and and Urine samples so Pretty good Pretty pretty Adopted technology already and we. We've heard rumblings. There have been rumblings about some logic. Maybe building a new facility in boulder or going into a new A new facility. That might be built in boulder and we'll have to see if that materializes but the thing i would say You know on the biotech Side of things on the in the biotech sector in a especially Colorado it is extremely volatile and you can have companies that do That grow and then they they might sell and get get moved away. We've had some major sales in the last couple of years. Ray bio pharma in boulder bought by visor and they. They've kept it here and they've gone strong but we've had other examples of biotech companies that have come in and Been very short lived In the area and and there is another one Tanner that We should talk about novartis Just last week Last wednesday novartis announced that they were closing their longmont plant And putting about four hundred workers out of work And this is a Just to tell you how volatile it is There's amgen had operations in boulder for a number of years boulder and longmont and they shut down a several years ago. Both of those plants. They sold both of them to astrazeneca which came in and put a lot of money into those facility. Sinica then shut down and they sold the boulder plant to Adc biologics they sold the law plant to of excess which became novartis. Novartis has shut down In longmont four hundred four hundred people so very very volatile industry overall no doubt about it and a lot of moving parts. it sounds like as well So what do you expect Now with this merger expect to Kind of have that same volatility or do you think that This one could be here to stay. I think some logic has been around for a while. they They have this this valuation. I would expect that they will stay. I would expect it they They will probably need some additional space. So i would not be surprised to see them. Go into A per perhaps a new facility or perhaps an existing a facility somewhere they At one point had been identified as potential tonight for a new Licenses building in a business park in west bouldertoyota lake center park Not sure if that is still happening or not. But they were they were once named as a potential in it there but They're homegrown of boulder company. And i would expect that In in going public in this way that We will probably see some more. Growth from them locally. That's exciting news chris. Would editor publisher biz west. Last story here that you wanted to get a little bit of news lightning motorist. I think this was the story that we first Got introduced us backs about. There's some news coming out of that lightening motors in loveland Has has set the shareholder. Vote for their merger with ace back. called gig capital three and That merger vote is set for april twenty first so with that vote We would see lightning e motors Which is a homegrown a lot. One company Go public They currently occupy as as you know. Several hundred thousand square feet in what was at one time. The hp hewlett packard facility and they That facility now has a brand new name called the forge but lightly motors has expanded a couple of times in that facility and has A lot of a lot of workers there they basically Produce a An electric Fully electric powertrain that they've been retro fit into other vehicles like Ford transit or different vans out buses trucks And they just got a i contract from dhl To by about one hundred of these Converted electric vehicle so Pretty much going full speed ahead So to speak for Lightning e- motors and the The merger with this should be should be final here in a few weeks. Dhl wh- What's dhl there chris. Dhl is a delivery a delivery Company okay right. that's right. Yeah it's kind of one of the lightning motors is really targeting. Fleets like delivery vehicles buses. That sort of thing so That is their niche and going very strong in a pretty good valuation. This back. we'll bring in a couple of hundred million dollars in cash and a very good valuation also for for lightning motors so curses that one. I know you're talking about the biotech being a little bit more volatile. How do you feel about about lightning motors. They're going to stay a little more local. Or what are you expecting the same thing. I would expect that they would that they would stay local. They've got some options on even more space in that former hp facility You know how how big sprawling campus is They've got options to to really grow there. I think they've got a pretty good opportunity to grow Here in in In in northern colorado. All right. Chris any other any other news. You want to get to today. Well Just recently we got our northern colorado real estate summit and korean right now We got up the next Three days Tomorrow and thursday as well We had dinner shikha. One of the the managing broker and what. The owners of remax alliance gave a residential real. Estate forecast This morning and as you can imagine. It is all about Housing Inventories low inventories and rising prices so really no end in sight to that trend in northern colorado which We've we've spoken about before. Well i'm excited to learn more about what you what you hear in what she see in the next couple of days chris. Thanks stepping out. Thanks for taking time as always alright care. Thanks that's chris. Would editor publisher biz. West really appreciate his hair and so right off of tenth street here in greeley. Make sure you stop by and say hi to joe where henrietta. They've been around forever man. Do they know what they're talking about. Say hey heard about show on k. Deals for me. They might charge you double. I'm just kidding. I like those guys go down there and let them know know you heard about him on. Kfi k. and get get your quick fight that old vacuum cleaner get one done closing on ten fifty two. Let's take a break. We'll come back with the headline the calm. 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Pixars Soul, U.S. Agent #2

Capes and Lunatics

1:12:41 hr | 10 months ago

Pixars Soul, U.S. Agent #2

"This episode of capes and lunatics is brought to you by tweaked audience awesome headphones good at tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code. Southgate get thirty percent off free shipping and a lifetime warranty where he can get there through the link on our website. Southgate media group dot com. This is guca. You're listening to huston lunatics podcasts. A welcome in happy boxing day. Erin boxing day. But that's what we're recording it super connectivity and i your host term professor ez-zor here my christmas. Tj's along with the blue eyed bomber. The burger pits still filming impaired. Hey welcome phil so glad. You're here Yesterday was christmas. St phillips y'all had some nice time with their families. We opened gifts. We got a nice company bathrobe from santa. It was very nice and we just had a wonderful wonderful david. Now now it's back to business back to the grind. Today work of podcasting about the popular media of the day so christmas day was a big day for the media conglomerates as they are we got wonder woman mentioned eighty four yup at noon for some reason i know they wanted it. Yeah like west coast. Nine o'clock i'll know there was some kind of thing they wanted in the morning. Well you know it's it's it's weird levels. I'm going to get to that in a minute. Because that's the thing they were like so they were well. We were talking about for christmas day. Drugstore probably a lot more christmas airdrops but these were the floor that you know. Got enough hype for being christmas day. Drop and you know. Well maybe not as much hype is they could have gotten but are also you know you have So the first one to drop was pick soul which i watched expressly because it was. It was the first one to drop so i went. I went to go watch wonder woman. I wonder woman we're gonna watch so the four things we're going to discuss today. Are one woman achieved for souls. Mandalorian behind the scenes which Which is the season two behind the scenes. This season one behind is he. So i don't know if there's going to be more you behind the scenes but we got a christmas drop of mandalorian season two behind the scenes which was very interesting and then over on one of my favorite channels a little bit of channels as well too. There was the film henchman which tristan i watch. Actually the reason why that can get watched earlier. Construction was playing video games ahead. Wait for him to want to watch the watch. The movie with nick separate was that was our father son ties so getting back to it Let's start with a pixar soul. Which i don't feel hasn't watch bwana talk about it because this is as beautiful. The film as i think pixar is ever made as far as story and you know i was not sold on it immediately intil. I watched it and saw what they were going to be. Expanding in exploring and honesty. I cannot even describe what what happened. I mean okay. So there's qualities of the film that that if you're a fan of certain sure you're going to pick up on immediately but the basic premise is a guy he's always wanted to be jazz musician. He gets his big break. What actually has happened in the same day i he finally gets the offer to be a full time music teacher at his local junior high and then he also gets the opportunity to audition for a professional jazz quartet. 'cause the new pinas and so he gets both of these gigs the same day and of course immediately falls on a manhole cover. Yeah you know. That's a sport. If you watched it well the fact that it happened. That gets the other gig. That's maybe a shock to you but it happens. Don't count that as a spoiler but it happens early enough in the so. I don't think it's a spoiler of glad that he thought he dies yet. Early on well he doesn't exactly die and it's kind of a go. Stab situation of ever saw goes bad. that classic. Some of the nineties with bill cosby Just after leonard part six his tour the triumphant this was his sort of victory lap. Afterwards i was bad. Yeah ever since the devil. Mec women been right downhill from bill bill and movies and then really in life to own which goes to show that. It's a very different thing between being a popular. Santa comedian tv actor and movie actor. Who curious home and i think. That's that's part of the problem there. But that's a whole other thing so negotiate situation. It is sexy guys not dead but his soul did get pulled out of his body but actually it seems like he was. He was supposed to die that day because there isn't antagonised in it who is Who is the accountant out as it is. I don't want to spoil this for anyone because it is such a beautiful home but the basic premises is he. Is you know he's supposed to go to the light. He winds up getting put into the pretty birds area of a heaven. But beyond we're basically all of the souls before they're born essentially he goes to the doctor and for those little bit of a little bit of of some some judaic lore for you. He's in the goth. He's with all the souls yet to be worn and that's where they sort of formed themselves until they're ready to go to earth. He meets one who is a solo. Just you is literally an old soul. Because they've been in the gut three years and they've never really wanted to be born. They've never wanted to to move on. Is him trying to figure out a way to get back to earth to get to his body so that he can do what he wants to do and in order to do this. He has to convince this. This soul that life is worth living speaking at an earth path so that she can give him. The earth passed so that he can go back and it is like i said it has all feels is beautiful. It has an immensely great cosmology with a very very typical. You know it. Oh of course. Of course we look. You mentioned being this is just how your mind can conceive of us. It's really asi. I really recommend again you look at. You should sit down to watch. Soul mid is a beautiful home. It really resonates. Now let us talk about The other the other thing that disney plus gave us 'cause disney plus gave us too because it's disney and you know they can do that actually not technically there is free to the third thing they gave us which is just before that. Which is the latest latest a trailer sore wanda vision. It's heating up man. They're getting ready. Oh oh you want to be on camera yet to hug me on camera otherwise you my son wants to hug my arm okay. One credited the hussy. That's lawler camera. Never happened as well. You know it's he's he's he's he's a he's not going to be on our our. What what how. How many episodes do you ever mandalorian. so far. Think we have six so okay so this is the last two year tristen was it was really just on the. I wasn't on the last four. But they won't be on this least you either so because i had to record what you're at lola's so i she'll schedule around my podcast by say that you can't go because you have a podcast. It's gonna be quite quite bothersome to her anyway. Moving right along so the mandalorian season two and a behind the scenes. Because you learn talked about that we're gonna talk about that on full shema had see my flow is transition fill this. I'm the best at what i do. We get to see honestly. This was honestly the amount of love that i think. There isn't season two is incredible and more concentrated too. Because i think i'd i didn't watch season one but i think they did like an episode for each episode of season. One this one one one hour thing. So yeah i mean i know that's what i'm saying. I don't know if there's going to be more of these or if it's just one but it was perfect and it was beautiful and i load. There is a great medium. That kind of was made real by that. So there's this meme of Is actual footage of dave filippini. End and jon favreau a. Working on mental institution. It just these two kids and they're like raw with their star wars toys. And then you watch yeah we build the model just like raw so it is actually quite a beautiful love letters what they did and shows you again. How how much everyone in this world in the disney and the the lucasfilm world or always thinking ahead. Oh yeah it's just like you know these days you could always just do. Cgi computer stop. I mean they're like oh. Yeah we build us a scale model the ship and then we scanned into the computer to use it. Because because that's how you could you 'cause you have to think this zoo we have to think about. How does that fit together and what. What does that look like inside. And it's easier if you have a tactile object that you're building and then once you have that tactile object then you can play with shadows you can do. Natural lighting one of the things they were talking about was how one of the big advances that they've been doing in lightsaber. Technology is now. They actually have their basically playing with with light light tubes so but puts the light in the sea. And that's what's different is that now we can actually have the scene lit by it in the way it should be an i guess prior to that she never really saw them get too close with the lightsaber is. Because you would have to add in the light of the white saver because the four. They just had big wooden six. Oh yeah i was gonna say. I don't know how when he started. But i know that original trilogy. Yeah they just you know. I think the blade was completely put in afterward. Yeah yeah yeah. I remember watching like an early stuff behind the scenes footage from return jet back before it can't just after 'em ucla loop there and he's got this big wooden sword as you know and it's cute neaten. It is what it is but it's just such an advanced although it does look so cheesy and cheap as it always is when you see the behind the scenes where it does look like my son's plastic light. Seamer get you. And i think that's probably true so much. I mean i think you you know when you actually see an actual original phaser from star wars in his each or start star trek like you'll see those at the time it really doesn't that is so much cheaper than what i could buy the cheaper looking way sorely. Yeah we need something in your hand. You know we'll clean it up. Make it look nice. You know post or even you just never realized it and then what is that when someone actually wants to hold phaser that is a phaser you must have to actually design something that looks me and isn't just you know law a a dustbuster and they didn't search would they. Just you know i. I don't know. I think that for a shooting weapon again very. I don't care what anyone says. i don't care what you saima's very bad weapon designs in next generation. The bat lewis is not a good weapon the way they use it the phasers the little the little a little desperate phasers. They're not. It's not an intuitive designed. The original design was very intuitive. Now even when they went to the remote control design it was still somewhat intuitive. But the dustbuster. 'cause it's like okay. Well we had as like this big that you did and then we had big phasers that help like a proper weapon as yes and now now now we're just gonna go with us busters some just take care of it just moving off just once you get off of there right now. Okay don't you don't have to be sorry just this'll be out hunting lit later anyway. So yeah so. It was great We've got a sacrifice. I katie Previously from battle star galactica and the fantasies of how our wits. Yes i think to been on that show a couple of times. I think she was in the fantasy and they actually had her as kitty sack off in an episode once. She was on the same train with them. Maybe there was some other actress. But anyway now i think that was What's your face. goes somebody else. They did a bunch of those because members of the last episode. Even have sarah michelle gellar on the plane with them. But i always liked the dream sequences because of course the george takeda's like how am i don't like romance a woman and katie. How would you know he's like i read. It's up big banks here. I don't care what anyone says is funny is a dirty pathetic guy. I will say yes. That is very true to life. Hey a lot of people. Greed was at twelve seasons. Yeah it did well anyway yeah Rosario dawson is greatness. And ill and they really do address this idea about the difficulties of bring a cartoon character to life. I don't know they ever really addressed it. Well because i think it's still controversial about what exactly that thing on a shook. His head is you'll isn't her head is it at. We don't know it's kind of like the same thing of our superhero movies. It's like you know some costumes. And some things look better on the page but trying to like translate them to the real world. Yeah yeah the Lot of lot of stuff on the internet recently about When black canary gives retro his new costume. And i know david cohen was asking someone. S david cohen. Because that's when red tornado gets the arrow on his head is is so. Is that a decal. So is it like a mass that he's now wearing over. Yeah so yeah. I think it's always a little a little difficult to translate. But i think they did a good job. Oh man just all of the monster works and just all of the the practical effects that they just really lean. That's the thing this series was revolutionary for. I did the the juice screen walls as a new idea. And you know that actually worked at it. Looks good is quite amazing. You know and like the stunt guy for the mandalorian him saying giancarlo esposito manley. He's had he brought the rage you'd like when we're fighting it that because i'd like man. He brought the rage the weapons. Yes you don't well. He's a good actor. He's got a sort of put. He's a good actor and he set in thing. I forget who said it. They're like yeah his character. It's like you know he might you know he's he's more of a bureaucrat than a warrior. But he has that rage inside him honestly. I hope we haven't seen the last of zito. Hey spoilers oh yeah yeah well you know actually. I don't say what what what happens. I'm saying well you know we ever seen the last of them. It's that is very open ended. But yeah i think just like And the episode. We'll be talking about social headed today later on this afternoon. I mean might as well be talking about The episode with mayfield. So that going to be interesting so Anyway moving right along Yeah it was. It was fun. it's a great nerdy dive. If you've ever wondered what those. I thought it was just really cool. Tentacles really just swim around people walking John leguizamo is the mob. Boss was good. You know and you know they do. They do mentioned the whole the whole shooting the lights seen but again you know again the kind of character that okay but maybe we will see him again. Maybe he gets out of that and he's now he's just angry. I forget we talked about it. Or if i even knew about it and i forgot about it but coro. Weather's directing his own episode. Oh yeh current weather is just. I mean he is just a a national treasure who you know one of the guys from predator who never was who never got to be a governor but but now he runs a whole planet. So you know what. He's governor of that planet so you know he's a governor to but Yeah i it's great and in of course you know the guy was you know as he says i'm aware of the physicality i noticed like to be on the other side of this conversation about the physicality of acting and it's it's just good all round and i do highly recommend if you'd like to mend loin you'll like the you'll like they. Hey here's what we made this elected documentary okay and that brings us to the elephant in the room dropping at twelve noon eastern time for reasons wonderwoman action for now. We're not going to spoil it. 'cause we're doing a big episode on this. Yes capes olympics one nine. These stay tuned for for the new year. We very out of the box Start recording that speaking of the time so soul and like the rest of those all dropped it like mennonite. I mean like whenever you went to it it was their bills are. Yeah i mean i don't know exactly when henchman dropped but it's to be shirt dropped midnight midnight midnight somewhere. You can get something dropping at midnight so it dropped midnight hong kong time. So maybe maybe that's what it was because that would have been the first time. Just actually the day behind this on a day ahead of us. I don't know. I forget how it works when you do that whole think. Australia's ahead leslie. Yes they're probably had ahead of us. Yeah yeah okay. So then so then was actually late to them to. I don't know it seems weird or Okay well so it's i don't know but either way that's the other thing i mean before we get into the details. I mean wonder Woman eighty four on an hbo. Max i mean outside the us. I don't think people were able to stream it like the rest of this stuff. But maybe they wanted to have it so that it was matching up with when in the east it would be available. You know the in theaters so that so maybe that's the nation. I think it was in theaters. That you just couldn't stream it at home. Yeah but anyway. I don't know but anyway it was frustrating. But we got over it. I will admit. I have to rewatch things because we watch it. Yeah yeah i mean it is. It is a long phone. It is two and a half hours long. Yeah it's like two three five two and a half and that was my. I think my main problem. I didn't think it had to be that long. They could trim the little bit especially at the beginning. This is what i'm saying. I think that because someone said okay to do a digital release of it and they said you know what we're gonna do digital release with anyway we don't have to edit it four-seater time we can edit it for press. Pause go to the bathroom come back. Start the film time. And i think that has made some statement about how things might change in the film universe. Maybe they're worried about another snyder. Cut the boggles like. Oh we're going to stream this okay. Whatever you go out just throw it. And he's gonna say i have. I really only have one complaint. Maybe two one is a basic mechanics of magic which i'm not gonna go too deep into But to put it simply. They didn't have time to get five rocks so they just have one and exactly how that magic works is. The is something that happens here because it seems to be a retroactive continuity. Were something happens and it seems like and this was always going to happen but but then it says but or did it just sprang into existence because of this basically are they rewriting reality or they which will get you. Get you the department of truths one of the best one of the best books out there right now that you are not reading unless you are in which case gets you. It's not clear exactly how that how that magic works and again talk about what is early in in in the timeframe is a person. When they're examining the rock suances wish it had a cup of coffee and then a cup of coffee shows up again. Like i said. I didn't know if that was coincidence. But not i think about it. Maybe it's just bad editing. No i actually think that was intentional. Because my actually because the extra copy shows up because someone got sick. I think that's supposed to be your first clue that there's there's always a cost. And what are the roles of this stupid stone. It seems like it only gives you one wish but you know later on. It's like people are getting offer you know. Cheetahs can offer more than one wish. It's like everyone gets okay. Okay stone only once the grant one gem timid commit. Can i do one spoiler. Okay so spoiler spoiler spoiler. I was very mad. There wasn't a scene at the end where she doesn't say i do. Not renounce i wish i mean she must have but technically we never hear her saying. I don't believe that she's all back in normal back to back back to from has to wear her glasses barbara so at least human. Yeah yeah yeah yeah well you know they were they were. They were doing what they were doing with her. Mom i realize she's naked. What's everywhere worms this. Why don't likes that version. I liked better when it was a costume. Giver powers if you want but just don't have shoving her but on everything because it's just it's it's you know as any good news we'll tell you even though you're not nudist. Bring a towel when you sit down predator. Don't care is it really made matrix predator cocoa. I've been really. Here's the thing you really want to be like. The munchies park was situation. It's like you know. Be careful what you wish for say. Oh you're predator so you're now a normal human being because we are the you know i mean i guess someone you know i mean had there make it work for cheetah. But it's like. Would you really wasted the say apex predator. What did you just be like. You make me stronger. Make me invincible. Make me fasters something. Well it's like. I said like what is it that if she became a great white shark and the justice you just becomes Swim she goes. Because again. And i get i get the idea. And maybe what was. Her wish was an ongoing wish. Maybe in the big theme was all. These wishes had a price. I was loss of humanity which maybe be why because that was the thing it was always moving her towards adsell and your button will always be al you but will be everywhere because i guess i i just think about cats walking up and in your face and that's to me that's just cheetah that's just seen. Have you seen my amos. Lease the cuts. This is going to be that. I know so aside from that. I liked it. I did get the cameo. I i knew the second. I saw that as an eyebrow eyebrows brows browse eyebrows. Yes but you know but we. I knew who that was immediately is it. I what i hope you do. Watch that person. yeah. I know although i'm going to say this i think that the the basically i'm going to say this i think that the the bar transformation they did robert downey junior and the the at marvel is not getting transferred over to other companies. I don't think it was quite good. When it recently happened on the mandalorian. I do not think it was good here. Which is and it was weird. Because i don't know why you would have to do that with that actor because they actually look really good so i don't think you need to do a user fixation ray on them because i actually think they look just fine. You know i. I you know terminal amazon. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah but what they did you know. I think that they made it. They didn't way that. I don't think i don't think it worked as well in that way. It was great to see that actor back I was hoping for some other stuff. We know they go to some that middle eastern country below. I was hoping to get a black black adam cameo at the end this how. He's awakened or something you know But now so okay. So yeah i mean just just the way little talks on getting another wonder woman movie so i mean maybe they were planning for more with that cameo for the next movie. I don't know. I here's the at dc who knows exactly you don't who knows little ask one or you know these are these are people. They're flying blind without you know. I saw an article yesterday. I think the warriors are planning more layoffs for the new year. While you know. I mean over there. I don't think i mean you know somehow as i always say it's not that this accident films don't make money. It's even not good film but you know there. There's that scene in in entourage into know handsome guy wish fulfillment stories. Those guys never get nothing. They've never get nothing. But you know the scene where you know. We're we're the first akra man with Mr chase ed. They're like oh yeah. We know spiderman did this of should we expect a to that and the ari ari goal. We was named as he says manager client's expectations he's awkward man. He's not spiderman. But that's the thing it's like. Superman is spider. man wonder woman batman. These are spiderman level characters and has three of them and every single one of them should we opening to spiderman level dollars every single time. Yeah and they've done. Now that's the thing is they don't you know and really it's just kind of disappointing. Yeah i mean it should be. It should be simple. It's show me someone on this planet. Who doesn't superman batman wonder woman and then what as has been that. This is the. I wonder woman movie in freakin hundred years. He's been around maybe slightly less than that. But you know one woman. Is this the first time they're making. You wonder woman so that is well no. They made a tv show. I've the movie i mean there. There was a couple years the others. The i wonder woman movie. Oh yeah well okay. So that's what. I i met this interaction of the camera. Yeah you know. That's the thing and it did well. It did very well that really that first. One really lived up to expectations. I in just one lives up to expectations. Yeah any problem. I have small just like you know. I think they could have trimmed it a little more and quicker. Yeah yeah i mean be a little and we don't wanna get too bad because we are going to be reviewing this letter. But it's you know i i kinda felt like there was someone said you know we always have the luxury shoot up. What have we had them shoot down. That was their big big classic dc. Aerodyne delays shoot down instead of up. I didn't see that coming at ya but yeah overall i enjoyed it had very sweet. Pedro pasco great. One thing. We can say. Pedro pesca is great. I think they did a really neat reimagining of the max lord character. You know There's the old company which i just part of me. I just kept on the blue and gold. Black lives me my blue beetle. Give me my booster. go give me somethin' to remind me of the classic max lord. Dc international or the international group. Yeah it was. I mean it was cool. It was very enjoyable on a lot of levels and then This is the other phone that interest in watch any i. We'll talk a lot. More wonder woman in all of our disappointments and joyce from it what they recording that so what wonder woman. Yeah Next saturday next saturday probably drop sometime after that so please tune in but yeah. The last thing i watched was henchman. Now this is it's hard you know mid quality. Cgi film toy story level quality cgi but not not like not like not like pixar level. You know definitely not like come to panda but this cgi characters and they work not horrible. But they're not painful to watch they're not scary looking and that's and the idea is that you have these. You have a superhero. Were that is very similar to what you might see in the venture brothers. Where you know. It's clear that there is some kind of this sort of like a Soclean mega mind and the venture brothers. And you know done on dental little less expensively but they paid for good voice actors so it's got a really great voice acting cast and sink. The story is going to do one thing. They actually really avert that nicely. Our 'cause it's kind of interesting exactly who in protagonists is but the actual character arc does seem to be shared by arturo leads Who are the orphan. that's his. That is the character he wishes to become. The he's the young boy who grew up idolizing super villains and it's weird and their university the super villains have the comics not the heroes because if seemed the start he's talking about you know he's got all his comic books. They're all the kids. Come comic book nerd so clear that since pain but you know there. Is this idea that you know. He's talking about how he loves super villains but they always lose you. Now why can the supervillain never win. And that's his big thing. And i guess he feels. He's very much you know. As the orphan he is very much. You know this person who feels put upon has a classic supervillain origin story. Now the fools. I'll show them all. But in general it was it was it was sweet. It has just enough gross out humor for the kids to like it without being so much without relying on that as it's only stick in fact i will say this. All the gross out humor pretty much happens in the first scene at the first thing. I like the first twenty minutes of the film. There's a big all the gross out humor fat shaming of the gluttony. Who is the who is a secondary who is a second tier villain whose main premise just to cover the world with cheese radioactive cheese. And there's never really an explanation about how that was going to be how that was going to workout for anyone you know. I want everything code in keys. Is my master plan. It's like it's like you know what cheese sept to cover. The world was radioactive cheese. Dip three don't worry about for profit. It's it's very strange but you know. That's their gig. That's their dick. It's it's funny that leads to the rest of the story which is about you. Know the the henson third-class who are the support support tier also. These are the cooks. These are the maintenance workers. These are the people that fix and build the machines. You know that's the third class attachment and also the people that get everything to run. And i highly recommend anyone who has the time in the end the nation go watch it. It's onto spree has commercials you can live with the commercials so anyway. Let's talk comics. Okay okay oh hey guess what. Justice league dark is not done implied. It was done last issue in this issue. They say no here. It is back well. They didn't yeah. That's an endless winter tying right but it's still twenty nine. Yeah it's not like it's endless. Winter justice league dark crossover number one. It's just the dark number. Twenty nine part seven was winter. But then the i believe in the new year they said have its own book. It's going to be a backup in the regular justice league book which will be written by brian. Michael practice will he be reading that part or is there. I'm not sure. I don't think said i hope i'll take a look at it. I don't know maybe. I'll see the first issue when it comes out will will make our decisions than but it was. I mean it's decent. I'm not really reading the story. First justice league with black swamping and hippolyte viking prince you who is cool basically gives how. You sacrificed themselves to defeat. The snow king is new york young adult book out savell coming from. Abc is. That's that's where they're pretty money now and basically yadda yadda yadda they needed new swamp thing. Because it's you know as you will recall. It was the something who the original swamp thing who founded the original testing. They resurrect the spirit of a viking prince and then they bond him to a bit of the greenland brought back from the other the other place and now he's the new guarding the green the barbarian green guy so there we go and jenny henson's coming soon so the rest of the at t c three apparently so give me a book was gonna say if you want to know how the whole endless winner thing ends yet. Justice league endless winner number two special The conclusion was also at this week. Yeah i mean basically they get that that frost king or whatever to power down. They put him in suspended animation until they can find a way to bring his family backs. They're all frozen twos. So oh yeah. Frozen five thousand years and they weren't magic it all. Yeah we'll get me dr freeze on the phone. I think a lot of this was like it's lead into what's coming injustice leaks. Bend the justice. Black adam and polito wonder woman's mother going to be in it because something's going on with wonder woman because i get the new year. I think they said something like her herbal. She's going to be in hollywood or something. Okay well you know. It's good to visit Doctor doom number ten. I think this is the last time. Dum dum is the worst the absolute worst ever universe especially this one Especially six six so yeah Basically a at the end the last episode falls into the black hole. He meets his dopplinger from the good universe and basically good doctor doom whole time. Just needling needling him. He says yes. Of course it's you know you're wrong. That's okay just after. Admitted you can move your. Were you just admit you arrive at peace with richard to this. You have to be just or personal or realities here that that that is. Everyone's i'm one of the council of people on the planet. We're you know the smartest people i've and we do. Basically if it's an open air luminosity all the has got together as we can fix everything but let's all work together to do it and you know they take all of this stuff. You got the dark hole there. You got the gem of sidetrack which i do not think of as one of the big power gems in i mean yes it gives you that super power but still it's like okay. You're a big strong. Got like six of those but you know and again even the mandarin's rings it's like really. I mean yeah it's a lot of superpowers one person to have but at the same time you know. I don't know. I would say you would give them to someone who know. Give captain america mandarin's rains and now suddenly he's even more cool but anyway it's but of course what he does. He grabs the ultimate number fire and he nullifies an entire universe because he could not deal with the fact that he is just the worst person that is like like leslie. That even just like oh. I notified that planet or Notified the entire universe blue marbles back by the way so he. He didn't get stuck there. He saved blue marble for reasons. I don't know. I don't know exactly. How did it clear either. But honestly oh he's just the worst he he also shaved at. Dr otto. octavius did that. You do is like oh. Yeah you're just you cannot stand that. He's actually probably a better supervillain than you at every level anyway. So that was actually. Do got new Maestro maestro yes. Yeah and i liked about this song. We get the fact that you know. Hercules is like you know murdering me. Hercules is more dangerous than when he is dead. Oh yeah yeah you see you see my funeral possession for his fallen comrade here and you know it is funny and delightful in its own way especially when when people say. Hey maybe we should have a democracy instead. Maybe you shouldn't be in charge and it's really people. What are we doing here. And then of course we do We he unleashes his war dogs on them as you do and then big laser bolt. It's the gun that designed to kill the hulk some some of rick's crew has it and then Brings back hercules says. Yeah he said. I could come back and get my vengeance. So let's have Which is great any really just again totally. Beats the heck out of whole really. The only reason the hope doesn't it loses sight is because he gets shot by the anti hoc gun with the magistrate who never really liked hercules anyway. So basically the reason they'll give me the maestro is because the local bureaucrat. Just after this guy oh and and we get when he goes out to rick secret bunker things the move and then we get the back story. basically you know it's Yelling at banner. But how years. Brian banner now and you know we get a neat little m. He gets mad because it blows up. But you know he survives as you do. That's become the maestro which is the end of the maestro for now because it's just the beginning we're actually getting a new maestro wanna say january. Yeah jared twentieth my birthday. The new the new maestro stories maestro weren't packs were impacts which. I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Okay we also see where we're clearing everything out No image of rick daughter picking up me owner though which is just like to me. And he's being visited by the coasts of his friends and comrades otherwise visited by the ghost of all his friends. We still have rights too. Because you don't see any wrong in their we'll see that we on. I didn't read a lot of wrong. But i think he was in the wrong book for a little bit. Yeah i noticed. They mentioned yet. he was like friends with rahm. Savia twenty you know. Because i didn't really read the ron books Every time i hear the name rahm. I think a quirks cousin own corks brother brother. Okay So i wanna do it this way because this this kind of time so i wanted to department of truth which is uh. This is such good book. Everyone should be reading it. Basic plotline We find that basically what's happening. Is that the black hats. And we in the framing device is of course on the private truth they're monitoring this you know Reporter or editor. For what i believe is supposed to be the washington post owned by jeff bezos which they kind of steadily reference and there is this whole thing about you know. It's not just that one conspiracy becomes true. Whoever these black hat people are. They're trying to make all conspiracies true and the reason why they wanna make all these shoes. They want people to know about the department of truth. So they're trying to reveal the truth to the department of proof maintaining history and the problem is that and this is what this this reporter figures out that all the pieces that this guy is sending me. It fits too close together. It's all ridiculous but there has to be a tweet behind his wife. Person telling me the truth telling me the story. And basically our protagonist has to make the decision. Is he going to kill them and prove his worth to the director or is he going to not make that choice elite you defined what it what he decided but a department of truth number three now number four for issue for really good and that goes to a book. I know we both read john walker where we also get a lot of this. What really happened in. Who are we really talking about this. I was like. Is this going to be like the that first mini series. We covered where you know. It's like you know i want. Someone cleaned his brother analysis. Is this going to be really. His sister She claims his sister. But you know it's like you forgot about me a bit in witness protection for years. So yeah i mean It's it's a really interesting story I i really like where they're going with it. I really like to kind of story. They're telling with. And yeah. I i'm i'm down for john walker. I really am he is. He's very good. But so i'm thinking about what with his brother. Mike is it just because of the sliding time thing can remember. It's like oh. His brother died in vietnam. So it's like yeah. We can't do that now so we're gonna make it. They've moved everyone. Everyone who died in vietnam. They credited new countries. Everyone diane now. Tony didn't even go to vietnam and that's the name of the country now but but now they're seeing even die in wasn't even more war now it was like oh you just couldn't Because he accidentally burn her house down and then killed himself. It's it's it's it's interesting. We also get the reveal of a different. Us agent a black guy. oh no yanni's with his sister. Well one claiming drafted really is what i'm saying is you. Don't you know they're gonna be mad. The internet's yon walker. Was there guy and now he s to be replaced by a black eye. Now well those people that talent buddies captain america there. You'll be like oh. They're replacing captain. America the bar god. It's just hit in winter soldier. Come and get it get. I see i see what they did. There yeah. It's it's it's a good book. It's it's well worth reading. I think another book was worth to read. I think he's going to say i did. Read the the amazing part of this week. Yes all this reference to the lies being told. I'm still not convinced. We're not going to get a last minute. Francis klum reveal man e even even when shoots his own head in it says. No now i see you know and all the lies. How could it be. Live thing is like get norman. Osborne's involved because supposedly this is keri. But what's what's this. What's you know. Besides older destroy spiderman. What's this angle other got. I think if we're if we go with my francis quality. Although i will out lend credence to your theory in has remembering the whole kevin smith daredevil thing you know. The whole thing with mistero paid mysterious. I think they're feeling that someone is manipulating a lot of people in this because something there is nothing that's happening in this storyline that we have not seen done technologically. Yeah ornament books for example. This whole i have this person's powers now that is the absorb can from Whenever you man came back and he still reed richards super intelligence or an issue in. It's like oh yeah. They have lots of people steal people's powers randomly in in the dc or in the marvel universe. That's that's actually like a whole subset of super villains. And they're all tech based to someone could give him. Oh here is a gun. And it's going to give them that massive dose of some mood stabilisers and it's also going to transfer their power the superpower's and they would also explain why norman's now evil again because those eventually wear off or whoever's in charge of they can turn on off forever. It's it's a very interesting thing. And and i'm i'm really interesting to see what happens with this because i do get the idea that there is so much more going on here than we're being led to believe. I think it's not going to be this my thing. I don't think it's going to be a mystical. They think it is so. Harry osborn may take i was in heck. I was brought back to life. Look at these crazy steph centipede things. I can conjure that for some reason. Look exactly like doctor octopus arms. Oh i could see norman. Having him strapped in vr chamber for the last couple of years. Yeah who knows meant and the opening scene was that look for an old comic or what harry has now. That is no. That's not spectacular spider man. Two hundred. that's from the i i think. That's the actual. Yeah the issue. He actually is owed never heard you friends. Also it's like. I'm gonna kill your husband but i would never hurt you ed within the entire concept it's also just like okay so you take me to the place where you killed my husband's last girlfriend that you say you love or your father children or who you believe he killed whatever but also just being pete would never be together if she hadn't died so maybe it's maybe maybe you know again who knows how on clem has been doing this. That's what i'm saying. Although i mean in that in perry's defense there i mean that was the whole thing is like. He went insane when he like. He wanted to be the green goblin. He injected the goblin formula. That's you know he. He went not so. I don't think that's what's been an injectable though. I don't think even injected either think he was it was like some kind of a nutrient pather or you know nutrient baths. Oh the worst. The whole and it was the nineties. Yeah but i just wonder. This remembers his memories from before the Because rape before. Pete made the all. I mean this is the one who had aunt may. That's why she's dying. And peter finds out of his him breaks in jail because fiscal order. This hit from jail. And peter beat the crap out of him and tells him he's like if my aunt is. I'm coming for you. you're going to die. Yeah well you know. I don't know although maybe he doesn't remember he puts on lots of people again. It ends up. The fiscal deal went down. So who knows if he remembers. Anything will exact. You probably remember. Peter parker remember that science knows spiderman revealed vendor but no one sees her a member it. It's crazy mandela stockman. You know maybe he remembers spiderman beating him within an inch of his life. You know why or maybe remembers that. Yeah you know i remember. We newspaper was. I think i have loved one of his job so many loved ones. I have killed it so hard. You have no idea you know so. Yeah but reminds me that floats around as la from batman beyond their powers. You know when. Terry mcginnis finally confronts him. He's like my father killed and he's like your soda. You don't know how that sodas narrow it down. I bet family yes exactly oh goodness but And then we always get wilson ahead of the second issue came back this week. Yes and so. I guess dylan gut super destroy powers Yeah you know what i finally got went and got more limited again up in reading. I've been trying to catch up on venom. I'm like dunno issue. Fourteen or fifteen. But i'm not sure i mean i'll let you know what if i get to that point but i guess he can he can control symbian or something. Yeah something was he conceived when brock was like may these powers may be i think in one of those miniseries in the nineties he might venom is his ex wife so she's the mother so i don't know both his parents were ben demise when he was conceived maybe maybe it's like he was under my season than when she's pregnant but he doesn't know yet pretty sure he was venom because it yeah there was a seem in one of the ones i read were. Yes she drops you know dylan off it with eddie brock's father and she's like she's like yeah. You'd always crazy. You know you need to take this child you know. And don't let any no as a lot. You know that he exists and stuff and well three for practice really unstable. Yeah as black cat has pointed out. He's no hero thinking that other venom. That wasn't hero. This guy is at best passably insane. We are not a one point. Eight comes back to his father and he sees this kid and supposedly i mean the nba. It's been messing with memory. He's like wait. Do i have a brother. i never knew i had. Because you know that that that's one of your brother and stuff but then he sees you know. Eddie proxies dad beaten this kid and then he finds out. It's so he's not happy. So yeah that's it's an interesting book. I you know. I'm not sure how. I feel about it Suu called name. Which is also fun. Did something you did. Something interesting happened in the name working cayenne. I didn't. I didn't read that one so i'm not sure. Yeah so i thought maybe 'cause i don't remember her saying was like oh. Yeah you know. The venom symbiosis had a hard time fighting them because they're underwater and it's turned out. Salt water is actually bad for them but that they did not interested at all. But they'll spend. I mean just all the arguments. Why do we need name. More was just for dramatic effect. A you know every every other book. It's like yeah. We need all hands on deck. You know not anymore because it's not like we're calling dr do i don't think or was it was he in the first issue today. Actually have something to the boever is worse this week coming up by this wednesday. I think there's going to be an iron man doctor. Doom mocking and black special. So yeah well you know. We'll see where it goes. I am. I am so over anyone trying to give me. I'm dr doctor. They killed a universe. spill china. Gone coming back. Charlie asser. They're desperate they. Coca-cola yeah desperate. Yeah yeah. I just At a certain point know especially 'cause ford it's worth okay. It's an invasion force. But it's not it's not like it's a planet wide invasion it's good unfortunates trying to take manhattan little take manhattan And that's fine. That's nice and it is. It's practical on some level. But obviously it's like you know. Averages e. the kingdom does not have enough symbiosis to take the whole planet. I don't think although we did see in the evening that he did have dragons attacking in the uk. But you know we haven't seen outside of of manhattan yet. That's we're donors who he wants. Because he actually wants dylan. Which and again if you survive that long in the bunker why not just leave him in the bunker sticking out of the bunker i guess they are like. Oh eddie's dying navy wants to see him before he dies. Yeah i guess. So but also a jew also. Also he has anti anti anti scipio power. So you know what they're gonna do is gonna show up now bad go to the corner and you ought to be very nice to me jinx conan I doubt you'd barely read it but only recently read it really good though. Just it gives you a great sense of who conan is as a character including just the idea that he is. He is not a nice person in general. You know the first one that get we we open it up. It's actually the these first marvel comic book with It's the first half of the story or the first like eight of the story. Read more about this in the original marvel premiere. Yes the mayor of the coming of conan series reporting from the first issue of marvel's conan the barbarian originally published precisely half a century ago. So yes. there's warren tax my store impacts will get mad and this is interesting is it opens up for its. It opens up with like the guy. He's talking about the demons beyond feel. Oh he's qadri no he's actually. It's just a lecture asleep in a lecture because he had just apparently just bought a demon and these. I guess it's vishwa demons. I don't wanna fight them. they're stupid. Why would anyone even. What would you say. that's a bad idea. And this big guy says hey you stole my money and of course coenen did steal his money but someone who's gonna seal anyway. That guy was drunk last night. So i would steal it then. These two apprentice sorcerers to hire him. Because they're going to conjure a demon. I don't want to be there when you catch a team. And i don't care angela demon. I don't want to engage them. Of course later he comes by to wear their where they told them to meet where they told him they were going to concert. A demon goes yeah. They said no you came too late. There's no i came right on time. I knew the demon would come. And kill you all. And i'm gonna steal your money. These steals their money goes off to go drinking. And that's why we love conan. This is actually a really good story. The next one Die by the sword. Believe they call it. Basically he's been hired to basically work with king who's conquering hands and he's murdering people you know as you do cause any issue. So wow this caravan. We're coming out of these people. Really warriors marion brothers. Even even the women are great fighters and then he cites this one woman who is really good said wow man you're really good at killing people and you probably would have killed me except i got lucky and i killed you. See this woman's daughter about three murdered by one of his fellows and he basically the fellow gets murdered instead as you can imagine. She's trying to protect your mom's body and conan's just like you know kid you guys lost just you know go off i got no ill will do you probably the next few minutes anyway. But i'm not going to spend my time killing you. When you're obviously wounded people have been sorted and yada yada yada and the woman's like i have to avenge my mother's death yadda yadda yadda and then like she's dying and he's just sort of comforting her in his classic crimean way of like your gods are awful you know. Why do people buy the prado extinct. And she's like you know telling him well when we're in the other world a new come to our world you can. We might my mother. I will drink with you. need says. That sounds nice. So that's ends very pleasantly and then requiem pretty good story where young these young conan the barbarian. He is attacked found by thieves. She gets found in nurse back to health by kindly village who we are. Just simple folks. We share insurer like and you know you're needing help. Julia says what great well. If i can repay you will and this is what we don't really use gold here because obviously we don't need it because we are you know self sufficient tribe and he says well go bring them back stab gauguin with some nice meat so they can have a good dinner then of course the thieves and set up in the first scene have told me ransacked the village and even complained that these are complaining. Yeah you'll you have these small villages but goodness you know so. There's never anything to were stealing in a small independent village. So why do we keep on doing this. I'm basically coenen. Kills them all because he pays his hit those who saved him back with his than the final. One is a great little the lead story with a basically come across the flying dutchman which is ruled by some weird tree guide who basically actually just wants conan to kill him. 'cause he's just tired of living any gives conan the gift of future site because the go ship sails across time as well as the sea and conan basically he gets out they get their treasurer but he is also haunted because he knows that one day will die and that will be sad but that is the lights triplets and that is cold king-sized cutting number. One if you let conan you might expect to the book math. That's it that's it okay. Well then how could people reach out to if they would like to talk to you about things. Get a hold of me or anyone else goes. Email us capes in lunatics at djamil dot com or. Call the voicemail. 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Recession Defects  Refer or Reassure?  Specialising in Periodontics   PDP082

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Recession Defects Refer or Reassure? Specialising in Periodontics PDP082

"A to be honest the refers. And i've had the patients don't want to have the surgery k which is interesting because you know they've always been told that the goal problem they go recession but the just thinking. I don't want to go through this hassle right. So which is fine. But what i have noticed during lockdown. I've had a lot more patients. Contact me about the gum recession. Welcome to the protruding dental. Podcast the forward thinking podcasts. For dental professionals join us as we discuss hot topics in dentistry clinical tips continuing education and adding value to your life in career with your host. Jazz galati hello pitchers rati. I'm jazz lachey in welcome to gpo eight to all about the management of recession defects. Not like the crazy. Get the scalpel outlets all start doing route coverage more like how to assess it as gdp. Because i find that recession is one of those things right where it's like tooth wear in the sense that it's common but that doesn't make it except tool. That doesn't make it something that we don't write down diagnosis. Because i find that you know people ignored when people ignore recession because why we see all the time varying degrees Some patients will take it really seriously. Others will have recession for years. And you might be the first dentists to have that conversation with about recession and it can obviously lead sensitivity and aesthetic issues. So it's a huge issue. I think soft tissues as a whole is something that needs better coverage. I guess that's allowed to use this episode joined by amit patel who is a youthful. This guy is like a baby face right. And he's such a good guy says one of the nicest guys dentistry very knowledgeable. And he's been on the lecture circuit for like years and years and years although you wouldn't tell from his face he said he's a baby face. He's in talk all about how he assesses as a payroll specialist the tissues and wow he manages the cases referred to him with recession. And it's amazing. How a lot these cases he's just reassuring patients. He's not actually picking up a scalpel. And it's great to know when we can reassure patients and how far we can go that versus when we actually kind of need to intervene or refer so that the situation doesn't get out of hand we cover all those things including prognosis at the beginning. We also cover the journey amfortas journey as another example of how. And why you don't need to have figured out straightaway. Sometimes things happen signs. Come your way you meet people mentors and that leads you to a certain path enjoyed this episode all about recession as gdp with amit patel. Oh almost forgot. Patristic dental on the theme of recession recession coverage. I guess which is bloody. I'm gonna give you a bloody okay. The bloody pearl is if you've got a belida right. What i mean by of leader is if you've got someone carried out an extraction and they're not settling leading profusely. Okay here's all trick you get the nurse to boy locale and you're gonna make a cup of tea okay. Except you're not going to drink you're going to pull out this hot teabag okay and you're gonna put it on the sock okay. This works wonders. Okay there's something i got to the student on. All seminal as always stuck with me and so it recently again on a facebook group where someone was talking about this trick because that's an amazing creek so if you ever stuck okay then just remember time for a cup of tea. Let's join patel and catch in outra ever knows you. uk right. and. I don't know if you know this but you are You were the for me. The poster boy perro chip. But i'd ever my cupboard. And i see a poster of you i see you all and be like five millimeter pocket thing very agip. Why why show the harris. That's why i think everyone. The uk knows you those you know you can't tell us a little about yourself banks. Actually yes. i'm a special imperative. Ticks and i'm from london originally went to louisville university ninety two and worked all over the country and our decided to do para training at guys saint. Thomas is for four years and that include a bit implant training and then Again i worked the country until i moved to birmingham starts little practice here. In the city centre birmingham don't specialists and was going really well until twenty twenty because we were going to expand now wasabi longer before we do that well. It's all hard. And i hope things pick up again. I'm an totally deserved that. But how soon did you know to qualify that you want to pursue carrier. That's a good question justice league question. Let me tell you a secret. So i'm I'm not the best union in really by a out of school at sixteen become plumber. Join the military or something and just you know big quite happy but mates went off to Today levels all tag along and then it went to careers. Data teacher said. Look you Maybe she'd be dentist From moore's i went into us. And i didn't get place because my interviews was so bad because they kept asking. Why would it be done. I didn't have an answer levels because it wasn't a student loan to reset and win again when it came to my university interviews Went back to some of the universities in bait reject to me and the only place that that was gonna help me a places livable that was lost place loss into you. Basically said I suppose we have too few places you haven't been given any light yes please. They gave me the gave me Three bs for the Before the reese it was into season it was the easy to get him. Then that time. I did pass milo lewis and then went to the so. The question was wide tonight. How did i want to perry author admitting that you weren't the best student. Yeah off to saying that you to the best student and then you end up doing a whole program. What was the thing is again. It goes back to you. Know i realized when i went to wintel local within the first term. You know we didn't operative in a whole tech realize through this life drilling filling out. This is this is not for me and But commit myself five years time diversity. I was gonna walk away from it. Caradon just great through. That wasn't the best suited wasn't you know wasn't like very much but you know And then in fourth year we were doing a week at a hospital walton. And i up on a monday morning and these dentists doing head met cancel perations. I'm like whoa. what is this right. And then they said yes we dentists. We're also to okay so then. What was really good about that. Week was because i was really enjoying every is yes. They kept dragging me back into do sarcomas. And all this stuff in a meeting luxa stock plating. And as undergrad and right so then the plan was was gonna go demands qualified A goat my house officers The sap jobs and then i also applied to medical school. I go into three medical costs at leeds so yes oh my own trumpet. Whatever but you know. I do feel quite fortunate that i got that place especially as short course and then i also could make an informed decision that maybe this isn't the critic for me tournament and i think a lot of people do fox again. Criticizing that that career choices you know in How many of them actually going to head. Cancer surgery muslims will become. Gp's and look at the question is what was studies that being published on w. qualified clinicians. They end up becoming All become max accessions a very very good point. Finding one thinking about medicine often entry. I think you raise a good point. Yeah i mean it's because you look majority of the the. Gp's the goal from the interior plastic since like well. So other specialties. In all whatever so you know Like here in birmingham of spice guy. He's a niece. this is like you're dentist. So did they dislike dentistry that much. I didn't dislike it. But what i learned was 'cause i did not a dvd for one year. And and what realized they are site to enjoy just talking to patients Having a law and stuff like that. So i just realized it. Wasn't you know. I could have done anything because in in vitro too. We spent one day with the and ended on test in manchester david cohen. And he works with Agreements don't taste and david cohen was just so yesterday about endo's i can do this because i realize i only need to be around somebody. Who's still so much energy. Nothing i could do that and it's really sad. I mean you know. For example i am digressing quite a bit but i went to electro in london few years ago with gyco frank stay kennedy gave lecture. I just sat there. And i thought if i've met him twenty years ago out of done his cool. Been you know a restorative specialist or something like that you and it's just it just depends on who is running experience like you know god status in this goes but you see i never heard of him until then and i thought is guy. He's and you know the same time there was other other people who spoke there and Some well known people that you'll know and they just did not impress me slightly. Did he just simplified collusion and and cosmetic dentistry and there's all these other people talking about it in a very complicated way. And i thought now but he was very good because he had age side. And you know he wasn't you know hasn't hadn't gotten to prove some good but going back to the reason why did peres amid dome tests. And then they took me Said i said right. I'm not sure. I think i'm going to become a specialist because at that point the specialist training pathways forwards and the registered was already set up at a point. Just like a year before. And so the paradox set. You could scalpels or moral discount Right and he says well then do perry and that was the only reason. Why are you know other reasons. Rox up at certain guys in saint. Thomas is from entity and like Bad right and that was one of the worst into my. Cv said you know my slacks hsen. Wherever done this publications all this rubbish and the restored to guy them mentioned his name who i dislike quite strongly and he knows how i feel about competition. Maybe he's the same guy. I dislike actually about About who is after podcast ends deceive as a mutual person that we dislike along individual and and he will walk the opposite way. Because he knows. I'm looking to take any concession but So he said so. You'll see says she didn't tracks and i'm like yes but make an informed decision because i wanted to. I really enjoyed tendency and it. You just wouldn't give it in. And i i want to say. Do you realize. I have a place at medical school and you never did. So you mentioned. Do you know what i mean. Which is determined. I mean the the head of department says you know. Essentially we're going to your place because you're the only british candidate and cycle of always. There's no way on this scale competitive. You've heard of all these somebody social the ob way to harshness autonomy to trees on the street because there's only so she dante send in a and they have you know. They've worked very hard very very academic and and you know the because they've tickled. The right box is no way in applied against them would get in. You know what i mean. But but what's funny is that some will ask me saying you must ache a stocks. You know whatever is not just grapefruit and Bad story because essentially did the first year so i deferred message. One year really And that was a. That was just because i was trying to play the odds when i did the first year and it was just cleaning tea and i'll see this. In my opinion this fall for another four years so Lead tra that. His name is dr city allen city in in works on polling place in central london. And i just said to listen i have. I'm thinking about dropping. This course going back to lease finish disarmament. Do much fact and he goes this. Come to my practice and see why do so. I just walked up at his tests on on a monday morning and it was. It was so good. You know he sort of you know we clean teeth but he showed me bilateral sinus lives. And let me you know assistant in quite significantly more than you know as i will do the lists and do block graphs and all. This other stuff didn't so much in that day and i thought she this this lots of surgery that would keep me interested and then i just turned on the place of mexico and carried on with career really and of and of never regretted. It really enjoyed what i've learned. That's really cool. Allen city that he almost took under his wing right he almost took his ring and he. If it wasn't for him you may have dropped out that period program so i think sometimes to identify these individuals in your career trajectory wherever you end up doing. And they saw swing you and they and they take you on a really changed the course of your career. So i think is great that you've identified someone like that and it is great. That who's part story. Yeah he was. He's he's such a good friend. And i always used to ask him for advice and stuff in whenever you know we if we. If i'm in london. I'll go in arkansas. Just love hanging around with him because again he was just enthusiastic but he helped me make a good decision. You know it wasn't 'cause. I mean for example if i was doing i mean i'm forty eight years old. I'm forty nine point nine hundred but essentially You know i would be maximum facial consultant at this age right and out of concealment by age forty full. And you know. I would have been anywhere in the country. And then i'll be working within within the nhl Constraints because essentially. You can't have so many specialties you have plastics. Ent and max fox in the same hospital during the same slow to serve the funding reduce. Those like just so highly trained and then might be just taking teeth fixing fracture jewels which is not an issue. But i'm really happy and achy. What's been good to talk about. You know people who've helped me guide me every good way. Because there's another individual so when i can't birmingham pro chapel ian chappell image. Oh where can cause. I had no work you know. Just having chest is very very few specially to see it to be. Honest is only three the simplicity. A and you can see why because most special training in london. So you can move that. Would then you'd stay there pro chapel. Who is just exceptional individual. You know two years ago. He won the best scientists award in the world. That's pretty impressive and He says phenomenal memories wearing Let me do won't and he you know he sort of because of me. I've been able to kill the international circuit lecturing circuit. You know 'cause he's probably e. p. european federation Twice at european where we get like the teen and a half fourteen thousand people at that event once every three years six because of him that you know maybe you know my name's little bit more prominent. I'd say yeah but going back to the parade training but that's that's great and speaks volumes about us. Well nobody it's just people is about the fact that in chapel profit even chapel. I mean what a huge name in the world and he saw something in you that he liked so there. There is a lot to be said about that my friend. So that please. You tossup because because what this episode is evolving into is your journey which is important and i like that and so tell us a little bit more about your journey with a more technical bits. So this episode. We'll have almost two arms the journey pot which will be really useful inspirational for people and then we get to the nitty gritty of recession. Yeah okay so so go to perio side about Say the four years and the training of going to be honest the training within the uk. Maybe it's changed now but it was quite limited in my mind because you know i looked you. Look you look at all the colleagues around the world doing so much more it was like it was very limited. I'm not sure why it was limited. But i in four years. I placed on thirteen implants. And that's not very good for someone is coming. You say so so So when i came out. I knew my limitations. You know just. Because i would specialist. Didn't mean i was going to be thinking on the best about instill mom is tomo case So when ben sorta Other dentists around the country is like front of cool pool stone. He's exceptional implant. Dentists w watching these. Some people like him. Michael jonathan zero placing implants and realize that these general as time. It built my confidence about what i could do then. I went abroad for a month to melena with another guy. Call julia restaurant. He's fester impaired antics and lecture in london. Now maybe eleven twelve years ago and we hit it off radi well and he then set goals that could attend and lent lows about paradox regeneration because the techniques we told you k- very limited not at the surgical aspects all don't regeneration have changed massively in the last ten years ten fifteen years So i spent four weeks with him and became part of his research. Group forbid So and that network than allowed me to do research. Sounds very studious to me. You no. It's not thinking products us and you have to you know correct measurements creek photographs incorrect. said makes publishing out within a year or something like that. So yes still do some of that. Also within the practice with companies like guy schlicht And i'm actually in the middle of doing one now but obviously the whole. Kobe situation made that Slow down significantly. But i'm gonna get My friend julia sereni and his team in bolton as well now was working without the professing things. Just complicate now says he's good. You know. I've met some people on my journey. Shall we dive into the recession aspects. Actually can i. Can i can. I digress again. Okay so go back to my My journey as you put it worth things because you know essentially when a dentist meets new. They'll say well a few dentists when they're especially when they drunk Would turn on his house a gun with the cleaning of ut. He's fine and but it doesn't bother me in the slightest right. Because i am insecurity about my what i have done right. I don't care about else reading okay. But so so going back to when i let Is she right. I'm quite content with what i did. So you know all the aspects that i thought was can do all this surgery and stuff it. It's not really the case. Because what i'm finding out is well found out early on soon as you give the patients the right or techniques than and the motivation you know they fix the problem. And that's just the best fit. And that's what i enjoy about mijo because essentially or toll king having a lawful pensions and saying you know if you do this you're gonna be fine. You know and allocate their casing needs to sergio whatever. But it's it's not that often you know and and i've learned now will like you know the relationship that you build with a patient. You know the way you communicate with them and you know i. It's just fun you know you know. The work isn't hard you know. It's despicable the relationship. When you know that yourself you know. And that's that's what's gonna give you long jetty as clinicians well. I bet your patients absolutely love you because such a likable guy. You're just an easy to talk to the very few phone conversations. We've had just hilarious very like straight up real people already. You speak your mind. And that's exactly what. I what i like about you. So we speak your mind about recession now because why we're no essentially and feel free to tell me nydia and be doing it wrong is that i come across a recession. A lot general practitioners we see patients right and is his mentality that we have sometimes that. Hey you know what is not painful. Should we just watch it. Should we just watch and wait. So i think i am kind of proactive in the sense that i put it in my diagnoses. I inform the patient. Is there i know about the classification to some degree by wanted to just touch on that a bit later i take photos and i saw i kind of follow it up by feelings though because i don't do soft tissue surgery myself. I don't do these procedures. That maybe i you could say that. I'm i'm doing supervised neglect. So what i want from. You is at what stage just watching and waiting and just observing the recession neglectful. At what point do you think. Gdp's should be referring. Recession to pay onto i really question multiple facets as it really i mean the thing is if look at all the historical studies based for recession. So for example. There's a guy cool klaus lying and he looked at You know when when how much attached how much nazi Tissue how to run a tooth so it can stay healthy so he sort of came up with a number two millimeters now then there are other studies that show that you may not need any cross sushi or attached to. She ran a twos because essentially It shows that Okay looks like tissues inflame implant the naught ride his logically okay. It's just the way they look now started. Study done by me But but the reality is when you think about it in our own patients you know you see patients with loose Mucosal tissue around tooth they con- clean it. We know that remains the only studies. A great right. But you need to look at the patient individually and hang on Ride out to clean that area. It's going to do it. So i think So when i get patients referred to meet for recession. Obviously i can fix this issue. But i looked i think does it actually both the you and they say no. I'll say right fine. Clean it well. It's a problem comeback Look at doing it. Do you know what. I mean As long as there's a lot of this you know there's some bond of attached tissue but sometimes patients don't know because the patient may be referred by the g General practitioner who's concerned about the level recession. Let's say you have. An upper molar and you know is a four millimeter recession. And your you haven't gotten attached ginger so you first appeared on this now for you as a parent is if the patient says look might my dentist is concerned if you say that if you ask the patient are you. Concerned patient might not know what. What's around the corner if they don't have any soft tissue treatment so what's the best way to communicate patient to find out whether it's in their best interest to have some treatment on now or later so okay so the way i look at it is. Let's talk about that a six. Can we see loads recession or opera. Six and then not always the easiest to repair. Okay but the good thing about those is. They usually have quite good bond across she now. In those cases. I would just tell them how to clean. The teeth. have been monitored trick. Noth- novel along time just for like you know for six months a year and then maybe look at it. I've got to be honest referrals. I've had the patients don't want to have the surgery which is interesting because you know they've always been told that the goal problem they go recession. But they're just they wanna go through this hassle right so which is fine. But what. I have noticed during lockdown I've had a lot more patients. Contact me about the gum recession. And it's interesting. Because i'll say to them if it doesn't cost you well out that's cool leaving but i think it's only because they look at themselves on on this this sort of platforms right and done more Surgeries in the last six months that i've gone last year right and there's multiple especially the ones here okay in the low anterior region. And i think and it was interesting. I like you know. I'm very honest. more patients. I'll say to them. Listen you're gonna have a lot of bruising swelling after this you won't be able to eat hard foods or brush their area for at least three weeks because we don't want to be pushed down and you know it's not a pleasant thing to go through three weeks right but now all the patients are quite keen to go ahead with it. at the question Gdp sort of Explain to the patient that this could cause a problem hobby urgency of it. Yeah i don't know how to work that to be honest Is all around the world. I mean am i being. Am i carrying out supervised neglect basic. I say what you say her and they say no i say. Is it getting worse. No but it's significant and it's you know it's obvious and i'm just thinking gosh. Should i be referring all these people to repair it onto offer the referral law people like. Can we just watch it. And i say yeah. I guess we could both point. Would you say there's a critical point at which is there a number like xm limited of recessional. Whatever at which point. We should be eligible proactive. Is there anything like that. No going to be perfectly honest view. So so there isn't because as long as you use a convocation something i have had patients weh. We've kgo eight millimeters recession the low anterior. Okay and i can still fix them. And i can get one hundred percent recover so there's no limitation on when you do it so for example if a patient who wants orthodontics right and you know this line of whatever it is usually embezzling and an is usually with invis- line where the teeth moved out and then he get oldest recession. I wanted to have those. Don't express then. I can come back and fakes. The the the recession defects that make sense. It's i can do you Good good to know Stuff like you know you can get. You can reshape the animal root surfaces in such a way that they bring him back a little bit so then you can put a big chunk There and it works really really well. Had recently for you touched on the classification. Just give us a guide about These tell us about the creation and just educators about the classification with those listening. Which miller's here right there's lots of qualifications now. That's that's that's you know we as dentists love multiple classification You look at occasion constipation. And you and i will use the hamp at cushion. She's been around for so many years and that simple you know you go in through the less less than a third all you know. Less than two always true is three and than any in between two but there's multiple versions of it with different people kids do with their So miller is the first one. And i light using bat right There are new versions and quite content with with pd milas qualification. and essentially. What he says is if you've got proximal boom in between the teeth between the roots and if that's higher than the recession then you're gonna get coverage that point. Does that make sense. Because you're getting blood supply from from the from the piece of the bone so if you go if you go to tooth and you go mid recession recession in the mid of the tooth but the bone takes a high of matt you'll be able to achieve one hundred percent coverage doesn't make sense k. Massamilla cost one amila cost. It makes perfect sense. I think i think not sober. Describe walton and the middle cost to essentially is The recession defect has gone beyond. Go beyond the mucus. Geneva junction which is where the band the cross not series and then you got loose mucosal tissue and then as long as you note bone loss than hundred percent coverage milk lost three way. Go some bone loss between one hundred percent. Yeah yeah yeah. yeah and i'll tell you. Why actually a milk cost three eagle bone boneless and essentially your own be able to if you go to. Money's phone lost you. Don't going to touchy Coverage to lamaze below the cement novel junctions junction the bone the bone. As does that make sense to learning. You still get exposed and teen beal. yup attach tissue in that area and a milk cost for is technically parental disease. Because you'd go. Recession that is The bonus below the level of the recession to essentially go to pocket. Tell us about why we can get one hundred percent. And then i'm gonna tell you about a scenario where the patient i had actually. Okay so let let me start. Let me explain this. Us because going back to julius carini and and somebody's allen's techniques have you know the pushed the boundaries they understand the nazi meal of ch- tissues and the two planes and they understand what they're trying to cheat right so zometa A reform dosage. My friends would forego shit so when when we were trying to close a flat and we couldn't get closure we just make a conduct christian right and then you just keeps slashing the hell out of it until you get closure jagran. That's what utah university crime. Now that is you making a cut. That's into muscle and cutting muscle. You cutting nerve. Cutting blood vessels muscles patients. Get tons of resilience right. So that's what i would do on regular basis. Because that's what i was told and even when i was in my paratroopers tool right and so when i was doing like say find eight major recession defect in the lower central and tried currently reposition. Matt i would never get hundred percent coverage because because because you've touched them also to the point where it's gonna it's gonna shrink back significantly so in the last ten years ago cool massimo disentis and as Another another child Giovanni kelly the to them sort of looked at crony reposition flops. Mutagenic century and they proposed the technique off Split full and a split incision in the flap. Now it's easy to split in the tissue. I and many doing a full finish flop and then the split further on this bit complicated but essentially what you do. Is you making an incision in the periosteum and use a shot. Blake just making small incision the hirschman when he do that. I mean you know increasing are listening if you need surgery the next day. Or whatever is trying just have a look makes incision the in the your Gape okay then. You'll see the little fibers muscle. That's only now do you get a pair of elevate use the back end of it. And he gently saw stretching it. And as you stretch you'll see the five spread so now you haven't cut the muscles you haven't not going to get the bruising and swelling you will. She cut the muscles and by doing that. You then gonna get a significant movement in the muscles in the because because then want giovanni kelly does. He's guessing then takes a scalpel and he then makes an incision superficial decision so that the muscle separates from the mucosal tissue right. so essentially. what you do you know. We know that the mucosal tissue elastic. So that's gonna advance all the way to the policy. One halfway down the pallets amazing when he used that technique the now utilize these techniques. I'm now able to get hundred percent coverage before Especially the low anterior. Because of the town's muscle much predictability wasn't was not now i can guaranteed meticias. they'll get onto percent coverage. What italian so so amazing i think is food and the wine must be because the in every field of density at the moment where it comes from perhaps to two zero two to any feel nowadays. There's always some italian thought leader. Or someone really progressing the got your mario semenzato and rone's or the world and whatnot prosthetics. Also i ask could be honest. I'm going to be very critical of the training. We have here in the uk as a dental student or as specialist. Trainy still been trained within the national health service. Right doesn't mean you're going to be good right. And i think when you look at some for example I took i do accelerate it orthodontics make decisions into the bone. We have patients whose teeth If you haven't overdone which could take two years six months now. So we you and i know you know majority run the have this done right but you k now you'll people will turn on. The evidence is very weak. But but you know you're choosing to find evidence to say baton and it's like the truth is look at the evidence as well for it is very very good and i'm i'm definitely not in the cabraha. Want to limit myself to get my patients all the best options. So i think when you look at the italians i think they litigation rate is significantly lower. You know the patients trust the dentists massively and they just they just push the batteries and you know. And if it wasn't for people like you know talent or some of the another guy call the is founded on garin. You know all these people pushing the boundaries we will be using new techniques that yet. You know people bringing them here. I could do actually was done about ten fifteen years ago. is me too great points that one being the training and i think that'll be a bitter pill to swallow for many people but i think you'll being very real respect that and i can. I can see where you're coming from with with the training that is present undermined within this national health system. I complete respect that but the other thing is that dentists and other countries where there less regulated. They do they can be. And i don't wanna use this term by will be more gung ho. I mean that in the in the sincerest way they can do something wanting to do the best for the patient but not worrying about oh if it goes wrong then this is the end of my career. They can do something to advance. Science advanced dentistry and for the benefit of that patient without worrying about the potential repercussions for example when i moved to singapore i actually. I did feel as though this massive weight had been lifted over my shoulders. And i can just push my own boundaries a little bit so wisdom teeth for me such calls. I gained so much more confidence. Because i wasn't broke away from the shackles of the see for that time. Which is i think is wow i. Didn't you really raise a great point. See this is the problem so There's a is it frank kerber. He wrote the book. June read that japan and the most important thing about that was good in that book. Was you know. Fear is the mind killer right and any as this is the problem. You know you may only young Young dentists qualified in. They're all you seek to these. Dt's foundation. Dentists whatever is. But i i let them on a regular basis but and then you you sort of oss maybe fifteen of them in seven of them say they wanna get out of the professionals because they've worried about being sued and the word about being struck off by the gd and it's like you know. When did that happen. And you know it's It's it's really bad. And you're right about gung-ho winnow there are some rubbish commissions on there who will turn to find ten can sell it to you but you know fortunately you know people like yourself and myself we know who are the right ones when affiliate cells within you can see. They're showing consistent results. So but i think in the uk. Are we pushing the boundaries. Here the answer is no right. And you're right about the bits of health swallow. You know if i was a trainee and and and you know people will say oh you know these still can shit again but you know what. I don't care because i did this thing. And i saw missions now as they need to justify that that what they do. I don't have never had it just been plotting alone. I mean if i had it real plan out of taking over the whole world. But i'm just give us go this whatever but i think also realized but one thing that leads to the surreally then you can like you said get away from the shackles and just become better than you better than you are now. Do you know what i mean. That's fantastic and what. I wanna know now. Is it leads by nicely to gdp's now doing soft tissue surgery perhaps to do some recession coverage. So i know that in other countries. Gdp have been up upscale softish surgery whereas in the uk because of all the things that we said about litigation stuff. And i'm not going to name him. But this fantastic cruelly. Brilliant dentists in yorkshire. I believe he unfortunately had a Juicy hearing about a a zero surgical case that he was doing actually and it was so sad to see that he was going it because he was truly remarkable. Gdp but then. You may know who. I'm thinking again. We'll check the end about who this person is really great dentists and and then unfortunately fell short because because he wasn't a specialist almost felt as though he overstep the line. So where do you see. The role of gdp's and doing a surgery is that a. Do we have a place in that. Jesus say the thing is i. Don't ever read any of the dc news news news Letters assemblies no no. I don't know what goes on because otherwise you know it's it's just not you know. But when i'm teaching so i teach in gdp's Coverage and does do any of them. Going to know right. But i do taliban know you should try to do this. You know and the way. I look at it and a half and i'm going to be honest right so so again when i came out of guys i did. A twelve route covers procedures after four years. That's not good enough right so and and there were others in my ear. That had did okay and so so go to that. So what is the way. I worked my way around. That was to say to a patient. Listen we're going to do this procedure and going to try to improve the quality of the tissue and so that will be easy to brush. And that's that's essentially what we're trying to do right now. I'm not going to say to. I'm gonna get one hundred coverage because you know. Especially when i done that many make sense and you know even even even now and talk to my own patients. I'll say you know. I say this to try to improve the quality tissue. We're going gonna try to cover as much as we can see what happens and i wanna play down my patients attentions but if i can then do better it's sorta but that's a real shame by this individual because I do think dentist should do it right. Because you think about this. Dentists replacing implants right the junior surgical procedure. And they're doing something even more complicated. Well not really. But it's still complicated and was so why not try to use these techniques. John wayne but don't over the why i will sit when i'm explaining the delegates whom courses say to them you know doing a case where it's not aesthetic issue so it's only gonna get better so when you do these sort of route covers procedures. One of the most important thing is. You can't technically messed it up okay. Because you're putting soft tissue on the gum next next to tooth and if you cover up nicely should work. And if it if it if it doesn't if he gets some shrinkage of flat still gonna get more coverage than you had before doesn't make sense so that sort of gave me confidence thing. Okay i can. I can do more when i was doing these the beginning even up to five years ago. I'll be charging couple hundred pounds. Do to to our Trio procedure you know. And even now you know when i see patients that are wanna do on. I'm gonna charge light the same price. 'cause i really wanna do it Massive she's keeping my skill self really. Yes oh goodbye to the case i do think dentists should be doing these procedures within their remit. You know if they don't you know the recession from six to six. Maybe maybe she gets a little bit more experience than the one you know. It's not an issue especially for paul because medication if you go you know. Homage incident crown lengthening. Right if you didn't crown lengthening it could do some recovery procedures achieved. Well look at as you know when i call it when i went to university in nineteen ninety. Two dentists came out when they qualified then Before i did they would do impera surgery. They were doing frigid graphs. They were doing really difficult. Listen to the tune. Such complex restores were can now sort of almost limiting will dentists continue message. That's a real shame really. I think why spend five years university when you you could just do. Massive shame russian. Yeah i think. I think young dentist. I think the fact that you're encouraging. Gdp's to soft tissue is like the adds variety is the spice of life is the same in our careers. Gdp's can do if you can dabble in a few things safely and choose to the easier cases and build up. So i think that's definitely food for thought for any dentist who thinks that is beyond the scope. I think a bit of coverage once you have the training should be with anyone scope and certainly see low. Gdp's university facebook nowadays sharing their cases. Which is the beauty of social media. We get to see combat. Gp's specialists or one or share the cases you get inspired from what other gdp doing especially in other countries. So i think we can take a leaf from from the book because in the interest time to main questions left two main questions. One is when you have that patient who's been referred to you and you've had that sort of conversation. The patient re doesn't want to have anything done because quite often they don't want to have anything like you said and you're happy to monitor. What advice are you giving them to prevent the recession getting worse. What's the blanket advice you would give. We really nice. no yes. that's just the same as everything imperative for me so you know again the patient to so in my practice again a patient only to use One and a. And if i showed them how to use it in a particular way so that they can't anymore recession okay and i think the problem is with with patients. They usually try to hold a toothbrush. fist right through scrub away. And we know that you know you know there's multiple Multiple causes of recession and one of them is owes brushing. And and i do think let me ask you. How'd you whole toothbrush. Do hold it with with with the fist grip. But i've got a sensor. I use a sense. I'm among going beyond the red sensor right. It means nothing. See the problem. Is you still holding fist now. Can you bright. who defaced. you can so. Would you drill a tooth. Which if you drill it. Dramatically and this is why i tell patients from the bush tape the each tooth individually painting each tooth with a gun why meats and think about exactly where each tooth meets that makes sense and it's always a vertical action. And then you can use your left hand to get lingual aspects whatever you need to because then is more dexterity. Does that make sense. And that's that's that's the most important or reluctant worship correctly like a pencil and paint each tooth individually and a battle that will maintain everything the patients for us into russia because look at all the evidence which is now about six years old systematic reviews on the show that essentially should be using into russia's because we know very good thing And that's it really say do that. I could monitor it. Take a nice photograph. See the patient six months a year and if nothing has changed than than we could but if they complaining of sensitivity or whatever then we can get into us Desensitizing toothpastes on their own. You might then perform mukul surgery to achieve coverage berlin of the next one is patient specific. One i want you to throw this dario at the listeners. There is a patient. I had who had paired donald disease and this would be something like a three right with under a new cascadia for those listening. They were there pockets of around about. Let's say five six millimeters entirely there was inflammation and. I consented the patient. I said look if we start improving hygiene obviously first and then we will start doing some nonsurgical treatment. You'll get recession. Because all gum and i show in the photo is is almost like a diseased fake gum. This there's got to go. You know you lost it is this is bad. This is going to get recession. And then for that reason. The patient funding enough denied treatment. She was no longer wanting to have non-surgical paranormal treatment. And i said well. This is the old the old saying right. It's better to be long in the tooth and have tooth no longer. But but how can you the question and get to is. How can you set realistic expectations to patients. About what kind of aesthetic complications a day will compromise. They will get after therapy case. It's a really good question and also like the way you just said that you know along the tooth to the get better so one of the things you think about this right so when i when i became apparent on tests teaching people saturday russia teeth. Right and that's not easy. Is it because you know the patient. When i used to try to do that. But he says Would make complaints. I wanted the filling Filling whether they need a they'd go parallel phones. All right so so so. I've sort of land to with things differently without being offensive. Gentlemen because the guy was patient would say this young upstarts frontier underbrush. Not now and one thing that i suspect for example. I ended up having to do that. Ashi latter course. Okay no because. I wanted to do it right. I really good friends implant. Dentists that do on a regular basis friends like bill sheaffer and steven jacobs and bill Pool stone. they did on a regular basis. I'm need to do this. I'ma go from saying you need to do this course because you don't have a clue matter make any money so so difficult. An alert format in the way. You need to communicate with a patient but some like you just right you know how communicate with a patient and get the best best of the patient whereas i don't think many dentists understand that so so i always used to bowl. I'm very kind of you'd say. I i'm still always i. I think you do. I when i talk on the phone. Just sense you know. I can sense the way you but So for example when a patient living referred me and they have the same sort of homes. Your patients have and. I've had patients like your patients who never come back and see me all right. The most important thing here is that you've written you know sam. You told him to go problem that you've done your right so that's the most important thing the take home message for anybody listening to this really notes down. You told him school. And that's the You visit you know you're going to have parental tribu. Increase recession increased since two Bets it now you're about to off dash What was. I had to find something positive to say about patient. you see. The problem is is the patient comes in sees you the first they'll sale. You can tell me to go back teeth Too much chocolate Italy same old rubbish. That we supposed to talk about right and so so when a patient comes in says neo. You'll say that. I drink too much. Listen does have an impact on new paradigm on the first writes. Your is your decision. So that's fine right. Patients says to me they smoke twenty day. I said well let me let me. Just tell you one someone say one. Suddenly smoking poems. And if e- even this evidence shows that if you cut down that improves things and even if he decided to vape you'd be able to give up. I give them the spiel and i said but it is your choice. I will help you. Do you think the more you informed patient and treat them like a human being. Then you'll have on side so when it comes to these cases where they go huge amount of paradox. And you're gonna cause massive aesthetic issues. And i do that to all patients right so what i'll be saying to them is listen. I'm not let me apologize. I i'm not here to pasteurize you. So i do apologize. So what's the first thing that patients says to me. Are they going. 'cause you're starting off with the setting saying are- nysc comfortable environment. You say uncomfortable moment. Here for the patient jesse if i turn around and say listen you you know You know let me apologize to. You know everything would say specializing so must you know so. Please forgive me i apologize. What are you going to say. i'm so no that's fine. Carry on you. Give me permission. Done you giving mission. How did you now to almost go for the kill right. And now the patients in a way of all this brilliant. I'm so glad you mentioned this. Because here's something that i do and i think you'll like this. A lot actually is when i see patients with sub optimal or hygiene and. This is definitely something that we're both doing now. I realize is you. Have you know if you keep banging on like a broken record. Oh you need to do this into that is too negative so just like what you do. I know you say that's your way of getting permission. I'm very direct. I actually say hey. Can i have your permission to just show you a couple of areas. Where if we can improve. Then i'll be so much happier and your gums will look amazing. That's why i say. I said can i get you. Can i open with your commission with your kind permission. Whatever and i showed them. And i find i get such better results when i instead of saying look into brushback. Hey can i get can. Would you like to for me to show. You can get permission and just like what you said. It's so much more powerful it is and this is and this is one thing about works really. Well i mean. I'm not here to blow my own horn or trumpet. Whatever but essentially you know some have a referral practice and Uptake like ninety eight percent. Okay now obviously the dentist the dentist. How jokes listen. You need to see ahmed. he's gonna help you. And then i've had to convert that socio abc's right so so going back to this this this the way i speak to my patients safe you know we have many patients like you right the have the same problem and i've been able to help them so you been posted about it right then. I'll be saying well. The only negative is you know we have because we have weight essentially have this much pocket right and the shrink back. So let's say you know you have a tent. If you have a ten standing on the on on the on the on grass the ted polls much further down. We need to push down there like bandstand. The concept of the disease. That way. And then i'll say to them you know so the negatives that you get recession and you'll also have Sensitive t but the most important things you be able to keep your teeth for many years to come so then you've been posted ending it with a positive right. Majority patients have done. And then if i think one thing that really works for me is to give them a story. You know just like you would you. I'll say well listen my mom. My mom has long look at t. She smokable major fourteen. You know and even she's got a recession of t. a. Around the gums and she told sensitivity of teeth and i took a six to nine months before she could on ice cream but she she did all these things. He's sort of sort of saying what it does in a month so they understand that you know. This is paul the process. So i think that's the way i asked the way i i give i with the aesthetic concerns Explain it's them. And i always explained the ra. Mr keep your teeth many years to come. That's the main no and that's what they wanna hear. And i think that works quite well. I mean so if for example if aesthetics is a massive shot at the final today because i can show them photos of what can look like. But don't do that anymore toll to say look we can do for you. And they'll go for it. But if ascetics issue you could make ginger lavigne is you know to close up some of the gaps and they agreed well good ones. The ones that are made by It's jimin material. Mocha lost But vow glossies good material or critic is not good but The uk then. I don't think anybody making them at this point in time anymore but the recession what we can do shame. Yeah it is russian So difficult to make quite costly for the labs to make. It wasn't profitable so but going back to recession. In these cases recession around lati- we now can do is individuals like pollen Who else severe raka As well as tony school. In these old period onto sophy from paris. Tony's from ben university and alums from dow's texas and essentially. What you can do. Is you can utilize take hotel all right. So when we are making a decision just the judicial crevice surround each of these teeth and then you sliding connective tissue through all them all maybe a You know another kind of material The shelf and essentially bulk in the whole area of And in time you get some creep mock bryant yes you don't you don't get you. Don't poke formation. you get some creep back. Amend the aesthetics improved a little bit. You know so. We've done quite a few cases and the patients are really happy with those results. They still look back a parallel to problems but the Tissues so this this lestat. Triangles superior has changed quite significantly amazing. And he's gonna change you know. 'cause it was interesting is again. Took monday talents. They utilizing these mental matrix proteins. His co. md game and the regenerating bone in areas. Where you think could never tell you. Taking the to implement but techniques is a guy called sandra cellini. He's exceptional you know again. He's going to be lecturing up. The congress showing some cases where the teeth like nothing holding amend the mouth but he's just splint them watkins materials. And it's it's just amazing. I'll send you that video Transplant she could watch amazing commissioned. He's good man. As well against any resources you have to share you know forever the future congresses and whatnot. Second one put him on. The producer tend to community and the website. But i'm thanks so much for sharing in the first half your journey. Because i mean that's gonna inspire young dentists who are thinking. Should i specialize. Should i know. And i think they'll take encouragement to know that. Hey if they didn't finish at the top of their class at dental school or not shaw or the not enjoying a certain part that horse to the value of finding someone who can inspire you and then of course we talked about the recession the clinical bits. But then i think particularly what. I think the list find valuable. Time is a communication gems. The whole thing about asking permission and remaining positive especially in perria when it comes to parallel where your always almost blaming the patient trying non-judgmental is going to be massive. So i think we've gained a lot from our chat today. I'm it's says always a pleasure speak to you at any any last words. My friend was yours thing. You just brought up. Should you become a specialist. I've i've thought about this. So when i saw when i qualified in two thousand five hundred met will these implant dentists and what i realize. You don't meet to specialist. You need you look at you right for example. You're not you know you. I don't know if you're gonna be especially what is fine. But you know you have such an interest within a certain aspect of dentistry so people around you were referring cases because jazz can fix this right. And i think that's what i learned when i qualified Is that if you are good at one aspect. And if you're in a nice area dentists in locality will think i'm on this individual no can do it. Don't you have special interest so being a specialist. I don't think is the handle right. I think you've got a special interest in endo pareo restorative build up a portfolio cases. You can send us letters out to local dentists. Give them lectures or whatever is slowly. You'll get a referral base. And i think that's that is i think is the future futurama coming on. Talk myself out of business right but ended the day. I think general. Dentists is a good thing. I think that's really inspirational way about. I expected no less. I expected a real talk from you. And i think that's w where we got stamina so thank you so much for being so real being so giving and being so blunt i that's the best way to be and orange really really appreciate that all the best with twenty twenty one and will obviously stay in touch my friend. Thank you definitely. Thank you thank you. Just he's being honest and fun so there we have. A guys are hoping that now you can approach recession with a little bit more confidence and assurance that you're doing the right thing next month august is all about back to basics. I'm not going to spoil exactly what we're doing. All the guests of having on but essentially a lobby requested this. You want something. Just you know just foundational you wanted something really basic. I've covered a lot of basic themes like for example. When is an amalgam truly fails like. He's like longstanding amalgams. When did you actually kind to them. Or what is involved in a comprehensive examination. And how'd you so all these themes we're going to cover in august which is back to basics month. Catch me then guys. And i'll see you soon.

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Part 2:Bret Calhoun, Johnny D

"Donors with confidence that their contributions are allocated in the most effective manner D. A. Accreditation is only awarded after a complete review of an organization after care cannot be an afterthought for the industry to learn more support the TA's nation visit therabreath after care dot Org Sirius. Xm Ford's presents raises with Steve and handicapping interviews. This guy who was Steve. We're back you call at the top of the Hour. Close enough right. Five minutes to the top johnny deal Be with US and a little bit and I mentioned Dan. Weights from the racetrack. Chaplaincy the Executive Director Nationally Steve Anderson from the daily racing form And Steve will give us kind of a catchall conversation which will include International. And I got to watch. I'll save the Australian stuff from Friday night Saturday morning which was really really good. The racing and thanks to Andrew Hawkins for a very productive push that tuffy tongue ran very well but the favorite was the favourite was too much. Colette in the Australian Oaks. But Steve Anderson who you know is big on International Hong Kong Australia and more. And we'll talk low sal to he. He's a big quarter horse. Guy And covers Quarters for Dr. APSO Steve Anderson later this morning as well right now. We got bread. Calhoun and You know certainly if we go back to Louisiana Derby mister big news who was essentially excluded and and didn't get into the race This was his next step and clearly a horse that with the distance the added distance and with some added maturity is serious and this is a horse that when the point the opportunities start to manifest themselves once Churchill figures out what the additional Derby points are going to be You can rest assured that Justice Thomas and Bread Kowloon are GonNa go find some for mister big news. Bret congratulations to you and gesture at. Let's get a couple of things cleared up to families. Okay Barnes okay. Everybody safe and and handling the situation so far so good everybody's been healthy and safe and you know how they were somewhat self quarantine lifetimes anyway. So everything's going very well. Just kind of our own little community Exactly the barns or barnes or socially distant and And frankly let's be honest people the people that care for horses. They're they're not that social and they're pretty distant anyway. So this is. This is in a strange way. A situation that kind of suits everybody's personalities exactly not a lot of change for us It's separate away from the Barn. Everybody on the backside pretty much business as usual. You know still take care of the horses and just not take anything over to run the difference. Let me let me. I just went through this without stall and let me ask you the same questions because you are a you know. You've got a big presence through the southeast into the southwest. How are you handling your strings? And where's everybody boarding holding pattern like everybody else? I have a large barnes. The fairgrounds in New Orleans young horses at a trainer Training Center in Louisiana Cochran train and I still have horses Say With the Sam Houston Race Park They're all sitting and waiting to ship somewhere when we don't know we're just like everybody else sipping Layton so nothing at oaklawn though Saul's no nothing there so This weekend we were just able to ship in the day before and we shipped right out The morning after the races. Wow Well they can the most of it. Let's dive in and start talking about Mister big news. And of course Mr money ran in the mile and digital of course Who I thought. It's funny of the two horses I thought Digital was was compelling and thought there was a potential there but really you've been kind of harboring Strong affection for mister big news and that goes back to how he progressed and frankly the risen star effort which was kind of a sneaky good effort and then he only went forward. I've been pretty excited about this source for a long time Interesting that Mister big news and Farmington were first and second. At Louisiana Derby and they ended up first and second in that race You know this is the Horst we thought would drive around ground As we stretch down we thought he would get better. He trained sensationally At the fairgrounds come up with a star and coming up to Louisiana Derby Really Really WanNa go to run him that day and it was looked like he was not going to get in We had bail mad money in the body of the race. We'd even toyed with the idea of scratching him and letting Mr Big News Run. But it's hard to take a horse out of the fourth star beating two links and had a six wide trips. So you know it just didn't make sense at the end of the day to take him out to let mister big news run that we thought Mr. Big News could have been the horse to beat that day. Going to mile and amount three sixteenth actually So we were. We were pretty excited about trying to get him in that race in very probably didn't moving forward To this race. You know there was a lot of I know and I I was really excited about how he was trying to fairgrounds. You don't know what different services going to do for him. You know he does have a lot of Grasp Pedigree Jazz called the Galileo Mayor. She just wonder how much a service change is going to affect him. So I can't say I was confident going to Oaklawn as I was there at the program that I was able to see in China that track every day But we did have a lot of optimism in the Horse. If you handle surface well you also got a terrific ride by gave. Sayas and you mentioned Farmington Road I mean. Let's let's be fair that you know this race did collapse At the same time but gave honestly Gabe moved essentially at a time. When you know you you weren't sure I mean he was moving pretty clearly and you could see him. You know on the on the come you know heading into the turn give us your view of it and how much conversation did did you have going in. We'll never ridden a horse. And I just told a few things we. We always thought this worst kind of wanted to be a free ride cars. He had drawn inside almost every race. And the only rate he didn't draw the inside he ended up getting shot down inside. And it's not a a spot and you really appreciate. He doesn't really care for the inside. It didn't really love the kick back that being very educated impose racist because he was talking that position a lot so I told the best thing to this source is to get him outside. You're better off giving up a little ground with this horse. As opposed to riding the perfect race in saving all the ground and you could see rot away from the gates. He did that. Gave One horse up Very well hoping to game. Show a little bit more speed. I think he was a little disappointed. They didn't get him a little bit more speed early on but but when he didn't he just settled in his wrote a very good race for that or he just kinda moved him out and just kept him. Free Ryan kept the moving. And when the time came you picked it up and got two horses and You know going strong and Farmington road was chasing him home The race didn't get a big fake but that doesn't have to necessarily especially with Derby being in September You can live with that and you can watch him progress Let's talk about the progression because I put a thing up yesterday and I was trying to backtrack the result in here and kind of figure out you know what the elements were and on both third graph and I'm biracial. He had improved with every single. Start Brett and you mentioned knowing that he was going to appreciate distance giant's causeway out of a Galileo mayor and Don Alberto bread this one and a ninety five thousand dollar purchase. I mean this. This is feeling like Another bargain and it's just been a series of successes for you and Mr Thomas and was this a Josh Stevens purchase. It was. We were all involved Chester Reached out to me and asked me to look at this horse. When I got there I did and I liked him. Josh is will. It looked at him as well as gesture. And and honestly we were gesture and I were staying in the very back Barnes and Josh up and bid on it but I thought the Horse would bring quite a bit more money so I was pleasantly surprised. We got him for what we got in for and unbelievable I I I love this ninety. Five thousand dollars what How late in the sale was he or I can't remember very early. I think he was fairly early. Oh I mean how. How about HIP number three years? Yeah maybe that was here so nobody. The people hadn't even come into the they hadn't even come to Newton Paddock yet. They were you because it was almost missed him to. I kept prodding him. I say Chester Sell Start. And he's back there looking his horses and talking to you okay signer and I kept waiting to the tension and luckily Josh was up front so he bid up front while we were there back bar until we couldn't make it up during time. Wow unbelievable what a great story And I gotta ask this too because giant's causeway out of the Galileo Maher at any point were you. Were you thinking turf with him? Was there any? Did you Gallup amount of turf Gallup at all or was it just opportunity to have you on the turf but obviously that's been in the back of our mind and you know. He had continued to progress a step forward on my daughter. That's where he was going to go well then all of a sudden there's no grass so that pretty much took that option out for a while in the fact that No keeneland Churchill. Right now End of fairground. So really it. It became a mute point August. That's been the backfire but we always thought. This work has had talent on dirt. We thought that Our Nate my own three sixty mile quarter distance was well within his scope. So I wanted to get every opportunity to To be on the Derby trail and I wanted to keep them off the turf as long as I could. I sometimes feel what you think the horse. It's affinity for the turf. And you put him on the graph. There's a lot of times there's no going back to the dirt so I didn't want to quite do that yet. Forced there now and Right now I mean the way you know the way. He's displaying You know the progress and talk to that to how much of this you know has been you know the added distance. How much of it has been growing up What kind of horses he to be around well didn't know it's all other and you mentioned over your made a reserve room services. The pace scenario is very very strong for us I get that. I think the things that make us optimistic about the horse is the gradual progression in all the speed figures and numbers have been constantly on the rise. These cost on the improved. And that's what we've seen in the mornings from the time. They broke in He he was the horse improve weekly might lead same thing since I've had him. He's been on improve steady improve all along to the point where The last two months. He's really really come on He adds a billion works Before the Louisiana Derby that might leading into that and since then so I still think there's a lot more worse there. He's continued to improve got. A lot of education is first races so he didn't get a lot of pass that he liked but it was a learning experience for. Nfl US down the road. Well there's a lot There's a lot going on here and Clearly you know depending on where the opportunities arise Mister big news gotta go get some points. Which is you know kind of explains your your frustration With not being able to participate in Louisiana Derby Where you know not to mention the the purse but The points Obviously you're are a big deal When it comes to you know what's going to happen down the road but at least you got the you got all these next few months to it out. You know. There's such a fuzzy picture right now. No real clarity win or where these point races will be. But you know. We're a long ways away from Derby now so there's plenty of time to sort this out and I'm just you know going back to the pedigree and I was curious about that. That damn the dam actually Unappeased IRISH-BRED I mentioned the Galileo Mayor. But she's a sister to some fabulous horses including Sligo Bay. Yes tremendously Rent family and low bottom tractors on belly. Well this this should inspire people. I mean ninety five thousand dollars. It's just you do your homework and you put your heads together and I talk about Mr Thomas a little bit and and you know we should bring up by my standards. Because we didn't talk about him after the win at fairgrounds You Know Jeff. Thomas has had as much success for a you know a fairly new owner as as anybody out there right now. It's been a a great run. We've been on a pretty strong run for about two years. It's lobby triumph foreign and Last year I told him I said gesture that was like a fairytale year. I said I don't know if we'll ever have another one like that With that being said I think the barnes pretty well stocked with some very nice older horses? And we've got some very nice W THREE-YEAR-OLD PROSPECTS AND WE. We've got some two year olds that we we don't know about yet but we're very very excited about him Looks like there. There should and could be some really nice horses. They're so as good as last year was we're we're hoping to repeat that And I think we do have very good opportunity to do that. you mentioned. Bama Standards Incredible or she is We bad this vision for him for a long time. We were heartbroken. We missed the last part of his three-year-old year. The majority was thrilled. You're actually helped Irby Disappointing I thought he could of racked up a lot of big wins last year But we did the right thing by getting plenty of time off and then you still immature horse. You could see how it took him several tries to break his bait and he comes back after Maitland Louisiana Derby. He was just getting good at that time. He trained brilliantly into the Derby We had the third issue. Come on and it. Kinda hampered us a little bit sloppy track Blah Blah Blah. I didn't work out the Derby Force. The TAIVON's really grow up And matured he's always had a great mind busy a lot stronger horse and he's put in effort towards this year and I think it'd be WanNa cop older horse in the country this year well and he was also a fairly reasonable purchase. Although he was a two year old he was a two year old in training sale. Purchase ADOBE AS April and In fact Because we had a a philly that That Dave Scanlon Developed and this was a scanlon product as well by my standards Golden sense cold out of the Mukhtar Mayor of herself a Nice Horse Jealous Woman an incredible pick by Joshua source Horse goes down there and ten and three and takes US source out two things interesting. He goes down there ten three shows. They don't all have to go fast to be good horses Second thing is that For him to bring a hundred and fifty thousand reason ten three to me. It's quite a bit of money for Horse Debris Eskin three So interesting Real there but a great purchase on behalf unbelievable and you know that just goes to show. I mean we were. We bought the one from the the Dave that we got Just a lovely. Lovely Filly and An Arch Arch Arch Philly and Unfortunately got hurt But you buy you know you buy a baby from From Dave scanlon. And and he you know he gets them ready for the sale but he doesn't ring them out either and It gives you something to work with. I love it. Love it well Brat. In addition I mean there's a number of horses we can. We could actually touch on and see what you know. You're you're planning I do have to ask you about silver dust and what Became a you know. Pretty big Storyline earlier this year. With the Lamshal. Explain explain why you tried to use the Louima Saul and you know it's a it's a warmer for you know for other Livestock and Explain what happened here. I was total situation where everybody situation be but it was not the Ottawa It was e-. Pm Medicine called back. Those are all Was sent in the horse from the army They've been tricked her. Eps On the far the product was a oral suspension of prescribed by their that area We continue using that suspension on this particular horse. It looked like it was doing a lot of good. I better here to get me to more this Prada for silver. Does I had fresh me. I like to kind of renae. Pm Medicine through them and their freshman and so he did The phillies it was originally on the medication. She ran she wind. It wasn't issues I I I didn't even know what all was at this point. This was a product labeled zero the E. P. M. product So Lo and behold. I didn't know anything about this. And we had had Dust on it. He didn't have it for about thirteen days into the race But I didn't even know what was the point but The veterinarian I had one that was doing with another issue with Obama saw product. He came in and identified this season. He started reading the label off this suspension. That cover all and I think you've had like a three percent Obama saw in it and he alerted us right then. that Hey this is this has been a problem for some other people and that's kind of how it all came about. I didn't know anything about it at that. Point didn't even know what Obama saw. Didn't know what was in that product but I wouldn't know any different. Hey it was but That's how it all came about terrible deal deal. The test didn't cut back worse for that's been taking back. I didn't know anything about it until Friday night. At Five thirty before the horse ran the next day So we were scrambling to figure out what went on what was going on and The only way silver eligible run it second time was if I just waved by right. Pick the loss of purse and the fine and went on. So that's pretty much forced to do that of last minute situation and And it was just a horrible situation for Mr Grant me and racing in general. I and I'm glad I'm glad we brought it up. Because the way it has been the way it had been presented in reporting what was was strictly as Lavar ball and You know Thankless are all I is something know something specifically use the against the PM. And for the. I brought this up at the time. in fact with Dr All Brett and we talked about it the for those that don't know about e PM horses. Pick it up By Ingesting possum droppings essentially out in the field or you know there's certainly plenty of possum that hang around racetracks because of the ready access to you know to the feed that says You know it's on the ground you know. The same reason we get the roden issues but The ingestion of possum droppings will kick off the EP. 'em episodes in horses so you know the especially notable that you're saying he out on the farm and for turn out and so when you bring him back in the PM PM is is well worth cautioning against. Yeah I'M A I'm a file. Believe it in a lot of forces are affected by UPN. And I try to protect. You said you spoke to a usually when I bring him back in. I will run some. Epsn treatment through them express common. I've used a ton of doctors raw products for my whole career They I turned on In popularity twenty five years ago and it was very very new. I use a lot of back wizar- all products but I'd never used this before it was obviously it's one that was they they manufacture which compounded Some company compound it and I I was not aware of anything illegal. In it. Obama saw thing the small percentage but Obviously it was enough to call a positive. I don't know what the difference was between the horses ran previously that one except for Silver does race was a great steak and it. Was They Superintendent Braid steak? So maybe that was the difference but Yeah horrible deal for for everybody involved like I said an embarrassment for me but it was a situation where it was. Just you know I was using. The medication prescribed and we started researching as quick as we could We started find out about it. Of course you know the best. Send it in to us it. Well we're on the farm. We got that compound or started backtracking. So we don't know about withdrawal times and so everybody Kinda bailed there at the last minute but so I don't know don't know what the withdrawal will be for that product but I won't be trying to figure it out. Well I I appreciate. I appreciate the response to this Brent and and the clarification because Really did not It it didn't fully get The you know the specified of you know the terms of any anti Protozoan To to you know to go against. Dpmi that that is Unimportant clarification what's What's going on with silver dust? Well you know he He was a famous with by my standards. Last time it was kind of a strange raise. You know you've been very very good for for a long period of time. He he's got his antics and You know he does. He's probably going to be that way for life but he had almost made me start getting more comfortable with him but he acted up in the gate. He lied to start he was. He was dead last and rushed up. Kinda run off to the lead and it was a slow pace lucky. Got Comfortable out there and look at one time. We'd just be one to out there. I thought he was going to gather round their win and then he didn't he just kinda faded dental lane funny early on trying to get this horse to win the right direction. We would keep him off. Horses even target For as long as we could because we felt like he was torn itself up we felt like time went on he developed and kind of got over it But that day he just You know he kinda pull yourself up. Guess I think a lot of times when he has his Little Anthony. Kinda issues get with the gate of the Paddock. He doesn't really bring is a game and I just think you draw a line through that he he'd been very good. He's very impressed with the race. Before and I think he'll bounce back and and be fine You know he's just He's a horse a lot of talent and he comes with a little bit of baggage and he's been gotten very good and very consistent for a long time that we used to a setback that David. I think we'll be able to overcome it and move forward and I think he'll have a very successful year. He kind of became a favorite of mine. Here over the last Over the last couple years and You know the key. I've I'm going to give unsolicited advice. The key is getting Jack Gilligan. Back on Jack. Th these Jack Source. That's exactly right. Jack Stuck rating pork. That home jacket. Collarbone Zach But Jack does have a tremendous report that whole thing very helpful. I don't want him and he and he won't homers and They they got a thing going to show. I love it. What else What else is ready to run? Or you know as soon as as soon as something makes itself available or What do you got Between now and the end of Oaklawn you know we're we're pointing oaklawn handicap basically We're really excited about that. got affiliated to feed goes to censor. They ain't no elmer's That's too. She's been pretty impressive that much wanting to stretch her out and take a big step but we think she'll stretch out and And we'd love to try it in a fantasy. I think every limited racing everybody's pointing towards races over there so I think it's maybe a little doubtful that we can draw in that race. I don't know but that's what I'd love to run her. She's doing very well and next to that would would run. I would not do anything else. Doesn't look like in the month of April Maybe I I will have those two going. And we've got quite a two year olds that are pretty much rage arrive at your seven those ready to go. We have Six or seven more behind him got two or three waves of We'll be ready to go wherever we can run about that and in fact I did see where Mike Welsh talked about the two year old racing that starting this week at Gulfstream Will BE THE FIRST NORMALLY. You'd be mixing it right up with You know with all the Harragan and and and Wesley Ward. You'd be mixing it up at keeneland right now. Yeah that's that's kind of what our plan will be. Add Two or three that we had planned on pointing that direction and they were doing very well so They're pretty much ready go. We're just kind of treading water right out trying to figure out where Where we're going to run well and you mentioned eight. No Elmer's and this one for Is A home bred John Kerber Go another golden sense. This philly out of an arch mayor. Here's another horse that might take to the tariff If the occasion arises but it looks like I know I saw her name handicapping over the weekend Brad. I think out of that maiden race There was oh that was nasty there. It is Nasty the That that was going to run back in that maiden race On on Saturday and so It looks like she'd beat some nice horses may be on the way to be two for two knowing both races. There was some pretty Holler. Horses in there I'm not making allowance race. There was a couple of their Did they were just a couple of China. Very disappointed I think in their horses. They thought they would win that race and this philly she took a little bit different style that day. I was glad that Adam wrote that. Way I didn't want to give me instructions. Rather that way but We run outside. She's a very fast Philly He broke and he just let the speed go and he settled back and kind of loop the field and showed us that she can. She can run from off the pace and that's kind of what we wanted to do. Kind of wonder developer to to go to turn and settle And obviously They've got to prove that in a race but she sure has looked good in the morning. Training strat around to turn multiple times. And she's look very good nice well just like without install it making the most of the opportunities and hanging tough and and yeah going where where the the race races are available and for now that's oaklawn and we'll see where things where things evolved. There's some tracks getting ready At least on on the calendar to reopen including prairie meadows. It's supposed to open a few weeks and We'll see about What negotiations with Frankfurt can produce When it comes to Kentucky But meanwhile taking advantage of the not the Arkansas Derby. Well done Congratulate Congratulate Mr Thomas Forests as well and and everybody associated with mister big news Who Bet by the way that anybody The around the I I had a few techs from a few friends that I told you about Some work for me. They they bet bet. A little obviously didn't never been enough but They they bet Something it will so yeah. I think there was a few people on board. I showed this horse to some people A month or two ago when they were coming through looking at horses for different horses we had in the barn. Of course. Nobody was asking about him and I showed a few people that and so I got a text. Right after from the sky's the horse to and he said I've been waiting on him and he cashed pretty good. I think I love it. I love it. Well He basically got lost in the shuffle in a big field and Got The great ride from gave size and obviously was ready and Pretty NEAT for for Mr Thomas Who has won two stakes With his last two starters Going back a couple of weeks with by my standards and now Right back with mister big news and still plenty more to come Brad. Thanks so much for this. Stay safe over everybody Just whether the storm and We'll see what's next but Looks like some opportunities between now and First Weekend May When it comes to elmer's that In the fantasy and standard In the oaklawn handicap. So good chance. We'll talk soon. You'll be say Bret Calhoun. Everybody and A Nice List of horses. That are heading for steak assignments and coming out of the weekend at Oak Lawn with the the big win in the Oakland steak. Mister big news and hopefully he can recreate that When it comes to whatever point races are going to be created on the calendar. We'll take a break and come right back and second half of the show. We got Johnny Johnny D. I hope Johnny doesn't mind coming on a half hour late but let's be honest. Where where's he going to go? We've also got a visit with Dan. Weights from the R. T. RTC A race track chaplaincy. Yes regular racetrack. Jaffa of America Executive Director. WanNa get some Info on how things are looking. Nationwide Steve Anderson in the last half hour and between Dan and Steve Anthony. Stabile is GONNA join us from naira and HR. Iran haven't had a chance yet to mention photographer. Anthony Coffee FROM THE NEW YORK POST WHO everybody New York new and the Racetrack. Photography community knew him. From covering some Valmont. S- you Anthony would come take shots at a more associated with all the team sports in New York but of course I thought of Anthony. Stabile this morning because Anthony's long tide of the New York Post and sure enough he. He knew anthony costly very well and they WANNA give anthony a chance because costly was just beloved by sports community in New York. Take it by Corona Virus Anthony. Steel visit will check in with Anthony to see how he's how he's fairy as we all try to make it through safely and try to help each other by keeping everybody healthy back after this second half at the racist. Johnny joins US NEXT ABERRATIONS WITH STEVE BIG OWN Sirius. 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She said who you who you cooking for. No you're cooking for an army. Well you never know who's GonNa drop by. Yes you don't nobody strange time. Well looks like he had a wonderful piece for celebrating. Passover Easter Combination which was great. Because everyone could wish everyone a happy. Something definitely definitely and I. It's been you know it's been a festive. It's been a festive man. It's a week tomorrow for Passover and of course we've got another couple of days left I I can only make it so far On Mata which is famously famously. A binding has has binding properties. That nobody nobody they they they call it the bread of affliction and boy. They ain't get anyway. You got you string out your holiday give you credit for that thank you. Yes Hanukkah eight nights eight crazy nights and you bet Passover stretch him out. I like that. Then there's there's reasons for all of that You know there's there. Yeah Yeah they tie. 'em Tom all in But yeah this is one of our favorites the passovers great. The food is great and you know the reading the reading of the Haggadah. Typically you know which is the exodus story essentially You know that's a great tradition for children. The mean there's there's functions for the children that engage them in the whole process. It's you know it's terrific. That was that was when Charlton. Heston Bob wasn't it exactly exactly? Oh boy well Johnny we got. I got all the same agenda that we had last week. And unfortunately that includes two more passing for Sports Heroes of our youth. I mean last week we talked. Tom Dempsey This was a very bad week. And in within days apart Timmy Brown who was literally the first sports hero I ever had as a child. Timmy Brown and then days later here Pete. Retzlaff and two eagles that just immortals and You told me you were at the game when Timmy Brown ran those two kickoffs back. I Want Franklin field I used to go to Franklin field a couple of times a year Very often went by myself. Which when I think about it now I have to laugh because I'm was during that time. I was probably nine or ten and I would take probably two or three buses to get the Franklin field. And I'd have the transistor radio with the wire coming out stuck in my year Listening to regain coast game stuff on the bus and I and I think about it. How Times Have Changed In in that in that respect certainly where today's world you would never allow ten year old a ten year old football game by himself pick to public transportation buses and go to a football game. I I would go I would either. You know someone would either buy me a ticket or I remember one time. I actually bought the ticket myself and it was. I saw an advertisement. It was incredibly cheap. I can't remember how much it was but it was like ridiculously cheap ticket and I. I got kind of used stadium. I knew seat was and everything and I thought well. That's a that's a great seat the great section well on the ticket when I got the ticket and I went by myself. It had on the ticket. Oh Bs here you and I never seen that. Before on kind of a quarter young man stumped by that was obviously me? I get there and I go to my seat and if you've ever been to Franklin field they're like we're not really seeing their benches with numbers on them. But that's where you're supposed to stay on top of the number and there's no. There's no armrest or anything. You're just benches with numbers on well. They were them. I don't know if they changed it now So I go up and I find going down. The road confer number. I'm supposed to sit on like find it. And then I sit down. And there's a giant deal girder directly in front of me for obstructed view. Absolutely the Reno back. I see any of the football game but I was there and and You know as I said I want a couple times a year and I was there today to meet found. Ran Back to two kickoffs for touchdowns And I thought this guy's who's Ational who does that and the answer is no at that. Time I believe it was the first ever do it and You know he was such a great running back and later later years when onto a star in a few movies about the hash mass shooting match. Yeah Great Yeah and there were some other football players. Napalese also some non football player in different movies. But I can't remember which one they were but Yeah he was great it was I love Mash such a great mood. At the city Spree Trucker Jones was the character mash. That are spear chucker. Teams are sphere happen to know their spirit or something like that. So it was a line in there Ringers that's right. That's right running back. He I I've read some wonderful tributes and I just you know as a kid And it may have been partially that the two the two kickoffs were It was November. Sixth nine thousand nine hundred sixty six. Johnny WanNa jot it down and You Know Timmy Brown. In a lot of ways the incident. I don't know if it was the next year. Or maybe in sixty eight one of the reasons that the eagles have just an Philadelphia fans have the incredible hatred of Dallas is tied to Timmy Brown. Leroy Jordan elbowed him in the face and broke his jaw. It's one of the dirtiest hits. Nfl history and it specifically is responsible for what you know has become a an incredible rivalry and why there is such animosity to this day. The franchises and I can remember that as clear as day and I was like nine years old but he was absolutely My head and then when Ben Hawkins came along the flanker the Hawkins was my second favorite The two of them and Tom WOULDA Schick. And and Pete retzlaff. Let's get to retzlaff too and I got to meet Pete Johnny at the that that signing I went to King of Prussia when I got the helmet and I got a bunch of the heroes from the Super Bowl and the first the first person watercraft the helmet. I and I got a real helmet. It's not a phony elman was pete retzlaff. I mean he literally one of those Forever Eagle. You know antennae Brown to because he was a he and his brother were orphans and His brother you know they. They ended up attending Brown. Came Philadelphia really adopted him and it's just so typical is so many that they come to Philadelphia. Never leave we like good gun. We don't like the bums we like good guys. And that's why I think he was the GM for the eagles. Well yeah absolutely yeah Certainly both those guys. I mean I'm sure other other listeners have experienced this when you're when you're boy hood heroes begin to pass You you seem to start to water revisit. Those days and and Kind of try and rekindle was spirit. The the feelings from those days when you were young and and these guys were larger than life When he get older. You're you obviously become more cynical. Sports Fan perhaps Or maybe maybe our athletes who change probably have certainly changed But you know money. In generals changed the cost cost of living is change but to get back to the point. These guys were not just playing for the Home Team. They were they were heroes in in the in the sports Meaning of the word certainly not in the real life meaning of the word but but the young kids who looked up to these guys. They were the hometown starts. And it's funny because I realized nowadays it's different for for young kids young young sports fan because they don't because of the proliferation of sports on television Espn every you know. Cbs Sports. Everybody at the sports network now their gains are on you get the MLB pass. Got His watching games from all over. Nfl. You got the red zone. Points is kids today become fans of players other than in their own city so real heroes are from elsewhere When when I was young. None of that was available. So your fans were. I mean your heroes. Were your hometown guys. And that's it made richer. I see 'cause you've got to see them you got to go to. The Games wasn't just television. And you know and then became parts. They became part of the either the team as coaches or management. Were they stayed in the area and you heard about them. Continue and you had an affection for that lasted. I suppose you don't see that same thing today. It's different and that was the name I didn't mention either. From the past week was alkaline to just was synonymous. The there's so little of that too. You know a guy spending his entire career with you. Know with one team that that that aspect. That's I think he did not spend a day in the minors. I think he was a teenager. That's correct that's Yeah I've I've heard that too. That's right yeah and I you know when I was a kid I was used. My grandfather always used to kid each other. Were the greatest thing down. Kailai did was even those batteries that that's the smile day alkaline that's outstanding outstanding. Johnny. Let's talk about some of the crazy results. The payoffs I mean to six figure. Pick five three hundred five hundred thousand dollars almost a million dollar payout yesterday in the rainbow. Six crazy guy just misses with the twenty to one shot My I'm GonNa assume yet the concept You know considering how little racing we you know we have to choose from it. It's been pretty fun and and there's been opportunities to score. Yeah if you go all the way back to last week when we had the The Tuesday we carryover Yup At slaughter And and that was exciting because well we had the disqualification in the first like which which was interesting to me. Because the week four we had the disqualification or days before we had disqualification at Oaklawn That was yeah. What pressure we have questionable. Maybe right yeah. And then we had the one father park which fans. We're kind of you know questioning that to some degree I'll tell you how I'm going. They both they both knocked me out of out of play The the one that father didn't cost anything because they didn't have the rest of the western sequence of cost anything but in the one at Oakland knocking smoke. Try it but I thought you know somebody out for me. What are they doing here? I took it personally but you know it's great that you had Chris Cocoon long immediately. It was great that he was interested in coming on and explaining and and answering your questions and It's letting people know what look we're not horse players are not dumb. I don't think source. Players are not or dumb because Look the favorites pick between thirty and forty percent winners now? You can't swap it all those horses but that's pretty good Thirty to forty percent winter so the public isn't isn't stupid We have some other problems. Horse players are not are not super. They want if you explain to them. What the decision was based on how you arrived at what communication? I think makes a difference. So those those. And then you had the while it wasn't it wasn't a Leroy Jordan elbow to the face timmy. Ground I think Ricardo Santana must have seen that video. 'cause he was trying to duplicate it stretching oaklawn with David Cohen. Little little What what are the what is literally arche barking. Yeah And you know and stuff like that occurred watt in previous history in the game but I think recently you know with the advent of video taping and angles in this replay for motion. You know you can't get away with it. What what did what did Santana. Nobody's GonNa say it. He's He's thinking. Tom Cruise acting they. Nobody's GonNa notice it Does it deserve attending suspension? I don't know I don't know anything more appealing it which is probably a probably a good idea Was it dangerous yet? Dangerous anytime those guys. Those guys are up there on their toes. You know all those horses on their toes Housing hands I think is pretty much the way it is and to have somebody elbow you in the process is is dangerous for sure But it's funny because the first time I watched The head on I didn't even notice it and I kind of pride myself on on walks a lot racist and a Lotta hit them and and pride. My and I thought what we're looking at. What happened here. I mean I saw them but the bulk was was not much work. Bob I didn't think and then I I never looked up to. I never looked at his elbow. Because that's not where you're usually looking. You're looking at the. I'm looking at their their body. The horse's body not the jockeys necessarily but anyway That was kind of a and then I thought tweet from David Cohen saying that it's not a direct quote had some nasty words former dirty words for problem. Probably some nasty names so it was it was also you also got the the antics. Johnny Gaffes Leone Is Is it? It's funny alienating. You know people think that. Just because it evolves Paco Lopez that it's a it must be a retaliation for something but Kathleen Provoking some animosities. You know in this this jockey rivalry stuff. What does guys both forget about what happens in a race and they remember and they have to be patient because you wait to get back at someone and you have to be careful when you do it. You have to do it at the right time and the right situation so they wait and they take it they you know they're those guys are at each other every day. You know five six seven time today whenever racist or writing? Things happened during those racist. Things are said jocks room. They're all dressing together. All you know coming out to the next page together It would be ridiculous to think. They're all they're all terribly competitive. It would be ridiculous to think that they didn't there wasn't animosity between certainly there are. They're going to be fused. I remember watching And I may. I may have talked about this before. I used to get video tapes of the races before you know it told the Internet you sit there and watch videotapes of races. Make trip notes and you had to get actually get them videotapes. Like you'd get a week's work and take them home and watch him in a couple days and I'm watching one day I'm lying in bed and I'm watching this video and I see this one jock. It was about coming to the quarter pole. There's one jock reaches up any wack next to across across the back with his and I mean he gives. He gives them full of full rack. And I sat up in bed and I looked at the nineteen when I read it back and read it forward again and Sure enough I it happened and then I didn't see anything any you know any rolling and I. It was no mention of it anywhere and so obviously I knew Jackson Ball and there was animosity between Jackson. I asked the one jock I said. Hey I saw you or what about what about you? Jack was that all about and he said. What are you talking about you with? Where where did you hear nothing? But don't tell anybody about it. I said I'm not a King you because I saw it and I didn't see any we'll just shut up because it's great. I can't believe that the jockey got hit didn't go back and call the stewards and you know and tell them. Hey this guy can't be and did the stewards just ignore it or was there another incident. I didn't know about you know. Look this stuff goes on and we had that one video was from parks was Was COINED INVOLVED IN. Hong was involved some other jock altercation at some point Maybe on the racetrack. But we had that. We had the video from parts of the two jocks kind of sword fighting a witch stretch hitting each other. So it happens it happens not SURPRI. No it because it's As as Tony Black Hotel you you know I it's It's an athletic event. Highly stressful and guys want to win there. You know it's They're athletes their competitors. It's they're going high-speed it's dangerous. I mean it's got every element That would figure into potential You know potential animosities Johnny just a couple minutes before we go got a couple of things Some thoughts about Some of the prices and some of the you know the crazy results that You know the the abbreviated racing Menu is offering us and how about the Who won into the Pegasus I saw there was a nice online Express bet over the weekend. We turn this weekend and we're we're GONNA have another one next. Weekend is scheduled anyway. I hope it comes off the winner this week Luckily the top three winners because they all get seats in the and Pegasus World Cup Championship Event there at Gulfstream Park who can also play express finishing burst was Robert Townsend Thirteen thousand one hundred sixty seven dollars. Jesus crust second-place Finisher Timothy Kohler Fifteen eight hundred sixty dollars. Furred Gallo Familiar Twenty six hundred thirty to ninety five was his was his number and Stephen Thompson finished fourth. He got a little piece of the person and get a seat. I three guys got seats. Thompson Sotos seventeen ninety nine and they all began with a five five hundred dollar The pocket three hundred dollars was used for wagering. Two hundred dollars was the by the So so take three hundred dollars in turn it into fifteen thousand two hundred and sixty dollars. That's another stay in a tournament especially With with additional pressure On the on the way through So this was on Gulfstream races and it also had some odom races into the latest rates. That oaklawn You'll if you'll remember last race Saturday the Oakland that seventy seven eighty Winter seventy seven dollars eight cents winter eight thirty dollars the place so Might inspected to see a big shift in the board but there really wasn't really wasn't a big jump anywhere People took their shots. You could see it. Shifting of the physicians But no one no one connected on the on the home. Run to hit it out. Parking seventy seven eighty in the final leg now it. This may be a comparison. Where if this tournament had been a mythical two dollars to certain amount you may have seen some people make huge moves But when it's real money and you've got a better mount money to get into you know. Tighten things up a little bit You don't have those guys taking those those big big shopping walk dreicer guys doing all in on legitimate horses. Four five one. You'll you'll put them in here but You all haven't taken shots in big big priceless and big price. All around you talked about the bombs Even in the even in the old one at Oaklawn Park and miss the big news a huge price there and I like what you sent out those. Those third grabbed figures just in improving with each. And you know when you see that on a on a three year old. This time of year there was some question. Could he do it again? Could he go forward again? And could he make a big enough for move to win? Well I think the answer is the other ones. Didn't run the head and question basis who. I ended up liking the race. You know his last race was you. Weren't you weren't happy about it you would. You would accept it but you weren't happy about it. You know you expect. He had to take the stuff for any any Thousand words he's Kinda in kind of going a bit away from his best. He would have to move back so it's like the ones that really you know had a good form and get back to the good forum. Well it was current good form and in the winter Mr Big News. He just kept going forward. So congratulations those connections. It was great listening to Breakfast who trainer on your show previously talk about the development of this source you know from a limited raking. We've had it's been entertaining. It's been exciting I just an awesome performance Absolutely awesome like dot coms. Cop was you know we? It was such a wonderful see him just explode to stretch not being asked to everything not being asked at all hardly and just running down who who ran a really good race in improbable racing. We haven't had a lot of it and what we've had has been ruined. Just definitely definitely and this is seemingly will continue and we're on the alert for Whoever gets the okay to potentially get started Again and I'll Steve Anderson's GONNA join us in the last half hour and we'll get an update on that T. O. C. session That Provided a couple of clues although it was really not You know particularly Enlightening but Apparently they're going to sit down. Management will sit down This coming Saturday with The La County health people and try to convince them that the let them resume racing. So we'll wait for that Johnny. Meanwhile stay safe got some fodder will rogers. The next couple of days is gale gale. Gal's holding our own. She's Well Okay Yeah. We're sitting the couch watching TV the other night. I looked over at her. I said yeah okay she said Yeah. I'm okay I said you know we're going to be here just like Johnny de Everybody. Xp Johnny and we'll keep you informed about another contest coming up this weekend and plenty of ways to stay engaged and the team. Jeff I talked to Jeff Siegel and a couple of weeks trying to get jeff back in this week. seagull and Zoe and millie and everybody. And all the staff at expressed by DOT COM plus TV with plenty of opinions and Dallas and workout analysis and more Johnny. Thanks a lot. Thank you take care of everyone sick. Johnny de let's take a quick break and we'll probably late Monday. Even be our last break the morning because we got a lot to do yet. GonNa be joined by Dan Weights from a race track chaplaincy. We'll get national view. Anthony Stabile is going to come by and pay tribute to photographer. Anthony Causi Best known in New York suffer as images in the New York post for I mean decades literally. A I mean is famed sports photographer of of the era. Just forty eight thousand taken by Corona He would come to Belmont and be in the minute. 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20VC: Twilio's Jeff Lawson on What It Takes To Create a Tribe, How To Create Anti-Fragile Organisations Through Decentralised Decision-Making and Why Values Are Nice But Principles Are Better

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20VC: Twilio's Jeff Lawson on What It Takes To Create a Tribe, How To Create Anti-Fragile Organisations Through Decentralised Decision-Making and Why Values Are Nice But Principles Are Better

"Welcome back nine. Hundred with me. Harry stubbings and i couldn't be more excited if the show stay and it's such a time you want. It's just last week. This founder committed his company to being one of the first jewel list on the long term stock exchange. I'm sure you've probably guessed it from that. But i'm thrilled to welcome. Geoff lawson co founder and ceo. The company that allows you to unite communications and strengthen customer relationships across your business practices are incredibly successful. Ipo in two thousand sixteen jaffrey's funding from some of the best including bessemer union square ventures redpoint salesforce and founders funds name a few and before founding jeff was co founder and cto of nine star founding stub hub dot com co founder. Ceo and cto versity. I'm one of the first product managers for amazon web services. I do sit need. They'd say here's this schedule. A total team effort. Scott rainy byron de to david cohen matt. 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You have now arrived at your destination. Jeff this is such a joy to do. Stay so thank you so much for joining me festival. Absolutely it's great to join harry now. I've heard so many great things. See from byron scott rainy at rub point and many others but i want to start with some context and tell me what was the founding moment. Fewer twelve is a good starting point. You know the moment. I'm a developer. When i set out to start my next company i knew wanted to build something that was in a product category and serving a customer that i would just love to wake up everyday insert as i thought back a my entrepreneurial career because i had founded three companies before you all very different in terms of the industry. They were in and customer. We are serving. My first company was an academic content company for college students. My second company was stub so marketplace for live event tickets. My third company was a bricks and mortar retailer for extreme sporting goods. It's like you couldn't get three businesses that were as different from each other as these three yet. I realized that all three had two things in common. I was that each one of these businesses again totally different businesses in every way except we were using the power of software to build a better customer experience a better product than what the status quo was in each of those respective industries and to me is a software developer. The super power of software is the ability to listen to your customers and huron problem that they have and then very quickly go build a prototype an answer to that problem and put it in front of some of those customers and say. How's this on the right track and you get feedback and then you rate your way towards a better and better and better solution and your job of building is never done. There's always something you can be doing to continually solve more of your customers. Problems or solve those problems better iterative. Spirit of software is just so powerful. And that's what was driving us at every one of those companies. But the second thing that i realized was the same between whole three of those very different companies was that to build the customer experience to engage with our customers across all the various parts of the customer journey whether it was when we were first meeting a customer when we're doing our marketing or our sales while they were using our product or buying something or after the fact giving them service and support. Those things require. Communications require really great customer engagement and everyone one of those companies. There were all these moments where we said. Oh wouldn't it be great if we could do x. right and then we'd stop on tracks and say that's really nipah developer. I don't know the first thing about making a phone ringed automatically. Call the customer when your special orders ready or letting them tech with ask a question about the status of something it's like. I have no idea how to make a phone ring. That's a magical in so we'd reach out carriers or like telco hardware companies like you. We have this idea. How do we build it and we always got the same answer back. It was okay. You know step one. You gotta run some copper wires from a carrier data center and then yet by a bunch of hardware rack it up and then you gotta go by big software stack and install it and then you need this army of like specialists to come an integrate all this esoteric technology together and sure we can make it work but it's gonna take three years and four million dollars to make this thing happen to sign here. We're happy to get started. And every time i had that experience was like wait a minute like first of all like millions of dollars for this one part of our customer experience. I don't know but let's say we had all the money and that didn't matter. The more offensive thing was the time idea that like oh wait but it'll be years before this. What we think is the right solution for our customers. We're ever able to put it in front of those customers at which point would be done and then when they told us like well. Here's all the things you got wrong. And here's what you should have built. Then we'd have to spin up your multiyear multimillion dollar project to do version to. This is the opposite of software. it's like offensive to people who think in software and that iterative spirit this idea that all my years and millions of dollars every time we wanna interest on this idea and so that aha moment was when i took this idea of what if we broke all that stuff down into. Ap is the things that developers use to plug into their applications very easily. Write a few lines of code. Unplug into this infrastructure. That just does it all for you. You could make communications a core part of the tool belt for every software developer and every software thinking company every company that is now operating the cadence of software executing in this new digital economy that we have that moves at the pace that it does if the ability to engage with your customers was moving at the same pace as the rest of your softwares it took to build websites or mobile apps or anything else then. Could we unleash so much potential. That was out there so many new ideas like the ones i had had that had not been built because it was just too slow and expensive to trial. Those new ideas dow was the hypothesis. And whenever i had business hypotheses. I was testing out a bunch of different ideas. At that time i would go to potential customers of whatever the thing was i was experimenting with and explain like have a question for you and working on this idea where have have an api that would let you read a few code. Make a phone ring and then you could express all these things you might do during a phone. Call saying tax replying back audio. I kind of explain what. Polio was. Whenever i explained an idea to a potential customer. I'm looking for the reaction because people usually a friendly. their friends family acquaintances. Something like that someone who could be a customer. Whatever thing you're doing so they usually pretty polite about it but when they like the idea what they do is they ask you questions. Walk into this. Could it do that. And what you're seeing there is. It's like tickling this part of their brain. You're tickling problem. That they have that maybe they didn't even know they had bone ask questions. Basically exploring away wait could do and that is a good sign but oftentimes what you get is not that what you get is so how about the weather and you get this. You know awkward changing the topic and sorta take no okay. Well i guess. It didn't really tickle anything. And when i told the idea of tulio to a bunch of developers funny thing happened. I'd i'd tell the idea what if you had an. Api that did all this stuff and they would say. Oh that's So how about the weather in a i. I was like oh. It's a bad idea in about thirty seconds later. They always circle back and they would say. Oh that phone idea you were telling me about. Hey could i use it to send a notification when the package ships from the e commerce site and building. Could i use it to let a customer call in automated access to information and they always have this idea that correlated back to some idea that we're working on but just soon they couldn't do themselves and that's when i knew like time after time developers would circle back. The gears started turning their head and it always took about thirty seconds and it circle back to you. Wait a minute that idea you. When i saw that happened repeatedly. That's when i knew it was on onto something. Can i ask jeff. Y'all brilliant storytelling. Iannucci spoke to peter segment before this shirt and the one question he had for years. What is gray stories having mean to you. And how do you think you've changed in terms of how we tell stories That's an excellent question. I think we're good story begins. The key thing is to start wherever your listener. You're read or whatever. It is starting a place they know and then bring them somewhere new right so you start with like you're working on a new idea and you're trying to figure out if it's any good and i think a lot of people can probably connect with that idea and then like bringing blog on the journey and tell the various bits that actually end up in the conclusion but i don't know i don't think of myself as an expert storyteller. It's just a way of telling it like it happened and i totally agree in saudi without place if familiarity. I wanna start on your leadership. Because i think blunt nino when you look at your skating from that i found of raising the precede to where we stay in terms of the public markets you are. It's broadened terrible question. I have to admit but it's really like what is great leadership mean to you today. I think gray leadership is really deciding. What behaviors you want permitting your. Let's say for corporately your organization and then modeling those of course but then trying to create the whereby other people can understand why those the behaviors matter in create systems that continually reinforce those behaviors. And i think about companies you know we as human beings we're tribal creatures right. We survived for thousands of years in the wild because we formed a tribes and we could accomplish more together than we could as individuals. And that's what really separates human beings from so many other species. Our very advanced ability to collaborate and that that tribal thinking is like deep in our brains. And so when you think about a company what you really creating is a tribe that people belong to to accomplish something together and if you think about all the tribes that we kind of affiliate with in our lives right. We've got a tribe of the schools that we went to. We've got tribes of the sports teams that we follow. We've got tribes of many people religion. Right these are all the crate identity brands that we like the start to form a kind of a tribal belonging to all these groups and like what creates a tribe. I think is really three things. It's your symbols your heroes and your rituals and that actually allows you to create this identity for a group of human beings to accomplish something together so like the symbols. Those are the things that you value for so for a sports team that might be the mascot of the color scheme right. You've got your heroes right. So who are the people who are the most important the of this tribe right now the great quarterback from the football team or whoever it is and then your ritual. You've got your chance that you do or the thing that everyone whereas on their head you know the cheese head for the green bay. Packers where it's like. Every group in religions have that and schools have that and companies have it too so symbols and rituals. As a leader you are a physical embodiment. And every action you taking the reinforces the values of that tribe or potentially challenges though in a constructive way. Let's think of what is leadership it is really living the hero's symbols and rituals that represent your tribe and creating a string of identity for that group of human beings. And so when i think about like how do you lead. What do you do. It's like you kind of always putting herself through that lens and putting the organization through that lens or physician or building and asking like what are the behaviors that i want what i want to try to stand for and how do i want. That lived every day by all the people in the company. And then how do i create myself the conditions where that's going to happen is that may be a very academic and complex way of stating says kind of how i think about it. No it was fantastic. Human in the way you brought it down downslide. Sports teams needed cheese. Had not now. My question is how rigid all those three things and how plastic to use leaders have to be to change over time with the skating of your company. I mean what. I described to essentially as the culture of a company in there for you as the leader of that culture. Everyone of these cultures evolves and your job is to really understand. When is it the time for them to evolve and then the lead that transformation lead the changes that you feel. The tribe needs in order to continue to survive and thrive as a ceo. Going back to the three person company that we were when we started it up to our over five thousand employees. You have to continually reinvent your job in many ways yourself. In order to continue to be effective at leading organizations that are bigger and more diverse and more viewpoints as well as in a more tactical sense like the mechanisms used to lead a company as it grows need to continually evolve. And i always find that jones speaking when we continue. We were thirteen years old today. We are continuing to grow extraordinarily fast. And i find that you have to kind of reinvent how you lead give or take every twelve to eighteen months in that kind of environment. If you don't then you're great risk of falling behind the needs of the company when you think back to being a three person team that can pass way you all stay. You won the same leader then you all today. It's a much more mature leadership storms in the standpoint with aaron flashing moments. That changed how you thought about that leadership. I think first time. I realized the need for that. This is a continually evolving job. I remember the company was about thirty people and i was really frustrated all the time like it didn't seem to be working well anymore. I remember i was talking to one of our investors albert wenger from union square ventures and fred wilson has partner and i was talking to them and i was like events that they were holding the. How's it going like honestly it feels pretty crummy right now. Why is that. And i was explaining things. I was frustrated by it. Can you draw the org chart for me. And i said oh yeah. I've never done that before. Actually because we're such a small company you don't think about org charts in those early days of a company just like you just kind of running fast so okay and i go up to the light board. I'm like okay. Well there's me and then there's this the i'm drawing person and it's a straight line with everybody reporting to me. It worked when we were three four. Five people right but at some point we reached a tipping point. Where like you needed an order chart. That wasn't just a straight line helped make sense of things and to make progress. And so i remember drawing this thing and i'm as i'm going along i'm like There's another and then albert says. Well there's your problem is like fair enough right and that was just one moment. i remember. It was the first time. I had this realization. Like the way. I've been doing things just kind of autopilot sense that at least this part of the company has been on is broken so i need to fix that. In order to unblock more progress there was the first of many. What did you do to face that my question was going to be. What do you think you put in place that enabled you to scale so while as a founder. What math nissim structure. How did you transition so well from stage to stage. I mean it's tough with hindsight reflectively. Low back but what would you say it was. I think the key when this. Well and many instances when. I'm not done this well when i do this. Well is when you're thinking where is going to be twenty four months from now thirty six months from now and planning ahead to that company and thinking about what leaders that i need. What are the mechanisms. That i need. What are the gaps and building ahead of the challenges that you see coming when you think about repeatable. There's different things at different stages you have to do but ultimately thinking ahead and then just recognizing like you know. We had talked about the culture and all that kind of stuff and realize a lot of those things have to be very malleable. Certain things or not but other things you are constantly changing and one of the things. I keep telling the company because i actually just saw a stat that in the beginning of twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty nine thousand nine hundred employees here. We are just over two years later and over five thousand rights. That's a lot of growth in a short period of time. And so the thing i keep telling the company is that every company that you have ever heard of admired bene- fan like pick your company. Harry what company do you think of was like. Oh this is my favorite big company all the apple and probably eat affoil. I love it. Half of the answers are usually apple right. So it's like apple right. Guess what they've gone through these changes they've gone through these these periods of hyper growth. They've gone through the some of the confusion and and the changes have gone and like reorganizations whatever the particular changes and guess what the companies that you haven't heard of those the ones that failed to migrate these periods of time and failed to make the changes and so it's reassuring to know that you know all the complexities and all the changes that are constantly going on and rapidly. Growing company are a fact of life and in fact it's the companies that don't evolve with it are the ones that ultimately you don't care and so that's one thing the other thing that i always remind people at leo and this is like a realization. I had at some point in adulthood. Right where a child you see the world the way it is and you just kind of assume well like it's just always been like this you just presented as fact like this is how the world works and at some point in the maturation becoming an adult. You realize no wait. People did all this everything that we see in front of us was created by people as the good things about things. Ugly things like every exists society was created by people. Just like you and me therefore it's incumbent upon us to say okay. Well what are we doing. That is impacting the world around us. What are we doing. This is impacting the company or our communities or society generally. It's within our control to do good to do bad to do whatever we're going to do. But the world is as it is as a result of the actions of human beings. Just like you and me. People invented everything that we use. People have built everything that we use. People have written every law. We have to abide by right like everything out. There was created by people. And it's such an obvious statement when you think about it like. Yeah what's the big deal of course but when you really internalize that it's such an empowering concept because you realize the world is not static the world has never been this way and the world is only a result of the decisions that we collectively make and when you boil it down to the company it really means that this is our company despite the fact that we are more than five thousand plays today always make that point to the company that we are building this company. We are a work in progress. And you all are building company along with me today and that is true. No more or less true than the day that we founded the company and everything we've done prior is to get us to this point where we have the resources and we have the customer base in the capital and everything else to now go invent the next tomorrow where we go from here and when you just think about the world context the company in that context it really say anything is possible and it's up to us to create whenever future. We want which sounds very terminator. Ask but it really is true. I love it. I mean the first provide security in the second is empowering. I guess my question is like when i hear it and when you see it. It is empowering it's inspiring when you think about leadership today it's very different from leadership old of the chest pumping in the hp and firing up the old age remote world. it's written. How do you think about the effective communication style to inspire to empower to make people feel safe. How do you think by imbuing those emotions effectively to a five thousand person team. I think a lot of the expansion company is local right and so really. The question is not like what do i say an all hands or whatever really the answer is what is the experience on a day to day basis. People have with their team with their managers and the other people that they are. They have the opportunity to work with on daily basis. And that's where it really comes down to principles of how we operate. How do we get things together. How do we set goals. How do we make decisions. How do we hold each other accountable. That's the meat of really company culture and people often talk about some of the fun things about culture in the days people. Oh it's a great culture. Why because we go to the bar and drink after that. It's not that culture that's people building friendships. Which is great but the culture of a company is how you get your work done. How do you deal with a fact when you're in a room with five people and six opinions and you need to make a decision that lows the moments where the culture of a company really shines and that's the lived experience of most people in accompanying so therefore how you set up the shared principles to navigate those situations that is what really dictates the experience that people have inside of a company and so i give a lot of thought to the principles that we used to run the company. We call ours the magic. It's currently ten principles and we've vacillated a little bit through the is on these values where they principles from being honest or twenty. Magic is a little bit of both today and the way we tilt the company though is values are nice but principles are actually more usable. Principles are actually more lining principles. How we get things done. What's the thought process that we think is the best thought process to answer some of these questions. Like how do we get worked on. How do we make our decisions. How do we hold each other accountable. That is really the meat of what people experience every day. My job is a leader is to provide some shared set of principles that we can all use therefore we understand each other therefore we understand what the company itself how it works operates. And when i think about like how do you lead it really. It's not like what i say in an all hands or you know what's the send the company the most lasting in most impactful things are principally that we developed for how we are going to do. Our best work together in. Is that a system that works for large number of human beings to all successfully collaborate. If you think about doing your best words together and having a streamlined efficient decision-making process and starting to barnaul michelle to hiba investing in twitter. He said about how the incumbent bluntly at the time when he made the investment investment did it was actually pretty poor that performance. That speed velocity of decision. Making you are now five thousand people. You would be considered an incumbent. How do you ensure the same velocity of decision making speed of iteration jalousie within the organization. Despite the scale that you have how do you think about retaining that speed and velocity with scale. I am very tolerant of disorder. If you will. Have you read the book anti fragile. Yeah i loved. Berlin right one of the things i really liked about. That book is very contrary to how most companies that's where most companies. I would describe as fragile in that. They're highly dependent on a small number of decision makers who obviously can be right or wrong but it really is their judgment dictates. The future of the company to your highly dependent upon folks every person is flawed and every person will failed to miss trends or ideas or whatever and so in a very hierarchical company where the person with the title makes most of the decisions and typically make susan's based on opinion. Got feel experience pattern matching. These are all you know. There's wisdom to those things but they're also flawed. And so i believe is that i very strictly hierarchical company is a fragile company and therefore what you want is to invert the pyramid people. I'm talking about the inverted pyramid management style but to me. The point of that is to actually distribute decision making somewhat and to make it so that you can have new ideas. Every company has ideas. I'm sure there was someone byron and talked about carriers not entering the market. That we're in and i'm sure there's someone at the carrier was like. Oh this is great. We should go do this but then someone was like no. It's like well that person. Maybe who made that call the not a developer. They get her understand the need out there. Like i don't know what those conversations were by. Have to imagine something like that or you know the typical conversation which has an actually it's during the period of time byron was talking about almost every major carrier did have an api program believe it or not but it will like small side project and at some point. I in a lot of these would spin up. They'd be a big launch and a year later quietly shut down. Then years later the whole cycle would repeat again. And i think what happens. Is you know. there's some new ideas gets a little money. They do a thing and then someone higher up is like wait. This isn't a billion dollar business. Why are we doing this. And it gets shut down. And so the process of deciding like which idea's get life which ones get fuel which ones grow is a very flawed process. Because we're human beings were flying. We have all sorts of cognitive biases and things that prevent thinking that. Come into play in. So i think the most anti fragile companies are those that do distribute decision making to a good amount and they have good criteria to decide. How do we decide if those were the right once or not. And you go back to principles. Can you go back to okay. Well if if we try something new. What's the objective way we decide whether that new thing is working right now and you come up with criteria but criteria for a one year old project of making a billion dollars yet is not a very good criteria and so what you see is like a mismatch between like the people on the front seeing an opportunity and even being green lit co experimented in conflict with the decision making criteria of people at the top were often the budget holders. Who say i'm here to move the needle. The billion dollars. All i care about and of course any new idea is not can be a billion dollar idea overnight. You never know which idea might be the next billion dollar idea. Therefore like i like an to. I've talked to eric reese of the lean startup. Who's a good friend. We often joke about the idea. Like people often very opposed to like trying a lot of things. And it's like if you want a forest you have to plant a lot of seeds and look. Most of those seeds are not going to turn into anything but when the ones do sprout and they start to grow. And you've got a little sapling in front of you walk over and step on it and say you're not a tree yet or do you say wow. This was growing with poor little water. Let's get some fertilizer. Let's see grow right and that's the process that goes on inside companies which is even when you do get it right. Where do you like try. Some new things plant some seeds and oftentimes. It's the ones that start to grow like the ones that don't go anywhere. That's obvious idea about execution wrong. And it's fine. Do experiment resident work move on but the ones that start to grow those are the ones that are like oh you need to nurture those. Celebrate those step on them stupid. You're not a tree yet. And i just think that the way to build a company that stays on its edge is to distribute decision making. And i've done the font experiment of saying what would i rather have a company where things are perfectly aligned right where very perfect top down management and there was no duplication of efforts and you felt conviction. Every dollar was perfectly planned yet. Nobody organization was empowered to really like do something because of that. Top down nature. Everyone was kind of waiting. And everyone else. Okay you deliver deliver my part and then we'll have some success that works command and control. That's like every military in fact that's most corporate environments it works but it does not optimized for agency by people on the front lines are seeing opportunities and who are you know meeting customers every day and i often say well who knows more about what our customers need me. Who sitting here on a podcast with you harry. Or the many millions jahns who are like talking to customers right now and so contrast that company. That's perfectly topped on organized. No duplicate of work with a company. That is much more bottoms where people are running in this. Duplicate of work and people aren't necessarily as aligned but there are all really driven by what customers to tell them the need and less about the org chart is telling them to do and in that world there may be duplicative were and there may be duplicate ideas or or infrastructure that isn't perfectly well harmonized but in that world a frontline folks feel very empowered to go sprint for their customer. And it's like which those two companies rather have the one where people on. The frontline are empowered in this waste. Or the one where they're disempowered and there's no waste. I would take the empowered wasteful company pretty much every day. Now i say that but our job as managers and leaders is to take the best of that world of getting that empowerment and allowing people to do things even if they don't make perfect sense but then bringing feel linemen and bring the general the bumpers the guard rails to create some mechanisms to keep people align and reduce duplication. When you see it happen but not not even attempt to do it perfectly because doing so essentially do as a race the initiative and the agency that frontline people have often have the best ideas of what you need to do for your customers. And so that's how i think about that. My question to you when they have the agency and in the world of distribution decision making sounds great but often people still don't feel secure and safe to really pursue go to build. How do you create an environment of safety and a culture where jeff you can try that. That sounds really interesting. You've had african customers. Give it a go if it fails how you create that acceptability of eighty but not also accepting failed. You know what i mean. Yeah i think the best that i've thought of imperfect at implementing this but two things number one you treat every one of those ideas as a hypothesis as opposed to like a lot of companies. You might say oh like somebody. Is someone highly paid has an idea and they say i want you do this. That's not a hypothesis and that's an order and then if you build whatever that thing is put in of customers and nobody cares. It's like well you must've been bad execution right now. It'd be career suicide for someone if that happens. They'll definitely start your career right now because it's certainly. It's not the executives fault. If the idea was bad it was some underlying. Didn't do a good job executing around lots customers because you didn't explain a writer you didn't build the right features or whatever and so if instead you treat every idea whether it comes from someone on the frontline or the ceo of the company you treat it as a hypothesis and hypotheses then it'd be tested and they can be true or they can be false so the work ahead is to prove that hypothesis true or false in success is doing this. That success is getting to a true or false as quickly and cheaply as possible as hypotheses. The only failure mode is failing to prove it. True or false of going like spending a lot of time or money still not knowing if the hypothesis is true or false like well. That's the only failure mode but if you live in a world where everything is a hypothesis then good work and training the organization. It's like how do we prove or disprove happened season quickly and cheaply and that's a world where your career does not depend on your idea being right. Your career depends on your ability to actually test hypotheses quickly and inexpensively and that's a skill where every idea is not gonna be right but the ability to weed out quickly and cheaply as possible. Good from bad. That is actually a really good skill to have. And that's something you should reward place for being able to do and then the key thing is like well don't shoot the messenger if someone comes back to you and says well. We treated this as ipod thesis when we tested it with all these customers legroom. We found out that that's not what they want. There might be a tendency to be like. Well you're wrong because the idea was great so go back right. Now that's shooting the messenger instead. You want to say great job figuring out something that we shouldn't go spend a lot of resources on now get move resources to something. That is the next idea that may have other opportunity that than the first one. And so that's how. I think of changing the dynamic from idea execution the idea of course is good because usually someone highly paid had it then execution is people risk of that you instead. Change it to every idea is just a hypothesis and prove or disprove and our ability to prove and disprove it in a quick and inexpensive manner. That is what's called success. I to bit of a weird one. Jeff since you speak with such clarity such assuredness such confidence. But it's not always like i mentioned how do you think about your own self doubt you mentioned earlier between alba game. That's not all that great actually right now. How do you think about self doubt. Now vulnerability is leader today. Even when you are five thousand personal. When i say why challenge you go. Ask to leon's like how good i am at implementing the thing i just told you and like i'm sure they'll fill volumes. Well jeff said this but like we came to you with this review and you were like no go back and do it. So violate everything that i've already said. I've learned the hard way. Sometimes i get it right sometimes. You get it wrong right. and it's just an acknowledgement. I first of all your human. I'm human like remember the words human. And i think that vulnerability gives you a lotta leash with people because when you are vulnerable when you were a human when you try to hide that from people you could be wrong but people don't ascribe mellon tent because they see you as a human being but when you try to pretend we're not put on this facade i'm an executive he's supposed to be and then you're wrong. Well that's when people often describe well you know. I don't even know who you are. They just see a facade and so they often don't assume like human human error is possible or good intent or they assume maybe bad intent and so. I think the biggest thing that i do is. I am very willing to be vulnerable. And to be myself including acknowledging the places where i fall short and i think as leaders actually i go out of my way to in public settings inside of tokyo acknowledged where i've made mistakes and the reason is because i think that is a behavior that we need to model for everybody. It's okay we make mistakes. you know. there'll be a meeting. I raise my voice in it and efforts. I'm not proud of that. The next time. I get calc- you know before we started i to say like last week in the meeting i was not my best self and i apologize and that those are the things where you you can acknowledge your on humanity but also set the tone for the organization that it's okay. We make mistake. The important thing is to acknowledge them apologise for them and then we can move on. And i think that is how you buy credibility and a lot of ways with people i totally and the humanity that inspires more humanity from them and it's infectious speaking that i'm talking with confidence. I wasn't sure that's brings up. Because i'm only british and so i got around anything until because we hate conflicts but frankly the other day diverse. He should not override married and it was one that kind of struck me. And so i said i disagree both privately and publicly on it. Can you unpack your thinking here and how you think. He was leader. Have a role to respond. Ashley two things. I do disagree publicly and privately what. I was responding to mostly as he said like all the. Ceo's i talked to privately. We'll say they agree with me on this. I'm like well. How can you speak for every. Ceo does responding to like. I just want to make sure that in my voice. I clear this. I do not say something differently in public. Same private and you can ask anyone who i've talked. That was the major thing that i disagree with. Because here's a high profile. Ceo who's saying look secretly. Everyone agrees with me. And i'm like no you can't say that. Can you describe that to me. Even though we've never talked about this in fact i've ever met frank and so that's the thing that really made me feel obligated to say something in that moment. Now let's talk about why. I wanted to say something first of all. It is a straw argument that there's a choice between diversity and merit if you were to say well look. i've got. This person deserves a job but this person is diverse clue after pick the diversity that is not how it actually works is not how it plays out in practice. Those are not the decisions that we make. I don't know what kind of recruiting process that would be or promotion process but the way it works in practice in reality is if you believe that building a diverse and inclusive company is the right thing to do for your shareholders for your employees for your customers and because it's right then you say great. It's not gonna happen on its own. It's something that we have to work to achieve. Kay how do we do that well. It's many many things but in some ways it does boil down to two primary things you have to do. Well i starts inside the company have today you have to build an inclusive environment and that is an environment where everybody when they walk into work when they go to do their job feels like they can do their best work. They don't have to expend tremendous amounts of energy in order to be someone they're not in order to do their job. They feel like they belong. And so like i think about somebody said this once in just resonated with it clicked when i heard this. Someone said if you want to know what it's like because i'm a white male. I'm kind of the majority of every demographic rights. I it's hard you don't know the experience that you haven't had but somebody said the was they said when you walk into a a hair salon that is typically thought of as like mostly women in there like a you like your normal self or do you feel like a fish out of water. I don't really know what i'm doing here right. And it's like if you ever go with. Let's say your partner you go to the slide like i know where i'm going to walk down the street. You don't feel like you belong right because it's a lot of people who aren't like you and you're not accustomed to the way it's just like it's not a place where you and if you are trying to fit in there it's like again i don't speak for every male person on the planet but probably for a lot of us it's like it doesn't feel like i belong there. Imagine going to work everyday. Felt like that because they're just subtle things and the way the place worked where it's just like this isn't where i belong and you felt that every day when you walked in there like i don't really belong here. How could you do your best work. could you be yourself. Would you second guess everything you wanted to say and that is what it means to build a inclusive company is a place where people don't walk in the door feel like a fish to water and you have to go out of your way to do that because when you have a company that is overwhelmingly like white male sis people you know it is going to bias towards that environment that caters to that demographic right and you'll get lots of the bad behaviors and the things that people have pointed out that makes it feel like a frat house in you have to go out of your way to make that not they'll come than the the first thing creating an inclusive environment where everyone belongs and the second thing to do is to go out of your way then to bring people into your company who represent the world around us and one of my mentors mitch. Kapor has a saying says talent is equally distributed by zip code. Opportunity is not and so if you think about how do you go actively find people that represent every facet of humanity and make it clear that your company is a place where they will succeed and extend your hand and say we want you to apply here. You're wanted to hear that is how you build a diverse set of candidates from which to choose and now you choose the right people for the job based on qualifications and things like that now. I'd say there's other things though that come into play there's a lot of shortcuts. Human beings take our brains are wired to find shortcuts everywhere. Like that's how our brains work and so the certain shortcuts. We take for example. Oh this person went to harvard therefore they must be smart therefore they must be a great candidate. Great let's meet right. So but now you're subject to all the biopsies of harvard's recruiting process and the generational schemes where their grandfather went to harvard. Therefore they went there on. It doesn't necessarily mean they're smart. It's like you're basically saying whatever process those institutions have is now my process for home going to have diversity in my company and i think a lot of people recognize like yeah. That's not really the right way to figure it out. In fact the better way to figure out is this person going to do. Great work in my company is not assessing their position in life. So imagine somebody who grew up well off. Got a good you know. We went to private school and went to an ivy league school in the resume up. And you're like well this is gonna look great but that person may not have had to work very hard to get to that point in life now they may have. I'm not saying they don't but they may not have as well because they had a lot of advantages. Now take someone who did not have those advantages did not come from wealth was the first maybe personnel ten collared in their family and has a graduate degree from maybe not ivy league school. But you think about how hard that person to work to get to that point. Which of those. Two is a better predictor of how hard that person is going to work at your company. And i would say it's the person who traveled the greater distance. Is the person who you want on your team. The person who has the standing necessarily the person's it's all about distance traveled not position in life therefore great recruiting processes. I believe look at all sorts of factors to decide as person of merit does this. Should this person be my company. And are they going to do great work here and are they gonna help succeed. The best indicator of future progress is past progress. And that is not something you always just by looking at the usual places. And so these things combined to say you need to think differently about how you attract and where you look for talent. If you're really going to find a set of potential employees that represent the fullness of society and when you do that you have a greater shot at building a company where a people belong. Because again like. Let's say you do find that great underrepresented person who you really want to work your company and they walk in and they just see this white male cisgender place and they're like i don't belong here and they don't accept job offer so these things then merge in the middle of like if you build a company where people belong and then you do a really good job going and finding talent wherever it is and go out of your way to go to the places where a lot of people don't look for talent and then they look around and say oh well. I'm going to be successful there. That is to me. What truly diverse and inclusive company looks like and it just. It doesn't happen by default. It doesn't happen by just saying you know merit such a simplistic way of answering that question. But ultimately this is all done in service of building the very best company you can. And i think the mistake some people get into is thinking that this is some sort of like woke like scheme to like chains world correct histories wrongs and like i will admit it feels good to do good by communities who have been wronged historically. I'm just wired that way. I like that brings me joy but that's not the primary reason to do it. Actually the primary reason to do it because when you do build a diverse and inclusive company will out compete for talent you will out compete with your products you will out compete and your give greater returns to your shareholders and that is why you build a diverse and inclusive company and there are ample studies that have tracked diversity inclusion and shareholder return and there is a strong correlation so it's not even a hypothesis at this point i think my favorite elementary is kind of the folks on the distance traveled which i think is a great takeaway. Is you wanna finish on that album. Because i think it's a really important one to finish on. I do want to move into my favorite show. Is the quickfire ounce an issue statement. And then you give me your immediate thoughts. Does that sound okay. That sounds good by the way i read this. I don't know what you're going to ask. What great and this is. The beauty of edison mean is wonderful. But let's start with the favourite bookham. Why i mean obviously also developed. Who would be mine. What's your favorite book. And why you don't want. I always come back to is made to stick which is about how to deliver messages. That people remember and it's such an important life skill by dan chip piece. I think i love that made to stick whilst the hardest element of your role stage f figuring out what. My role needs to be twelve months from now. What's the biggest lie that rich people tell themselves come on said the other day that they should pay less taxes. I thought that was a funny one. I think the biggest lie. I'm rich people successful. People themselves that it was all their work that resulted in the success. What advice he often gave be fine to take. I think listening more. We all want to believe we're good listeners. But when i really get down to it man after work hard to be a really good listener allegation a death montsame. What three character traits. Would you let your children to adopt. Jeff i want them to have grit. I want them to be polite. And i want them to be happy. If we down in five years time and everything's going to plan that would we be jeff like related to twi- leo or society. Generally or both. I think that technology is that something of an inflection point where a lot of what we see on the internet now especially from giant tech. Doesn't really feel like it's necessarily serving awesome human beings. And i hope the next five years brings a world where we figure out some new ways to make technology infused every part of our life to really feel like it is making us better. Not just buying more shit as an jeff. I've so loved in this. I apologize to my completely way would questions. But it's been amazing. And i really do appreciate thank you. Harriet scraping here. I have to say. I'm just so love that discussion. I find so many people can talk at a surface level about culture building. 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The Stuttering John Podcast-May 27th, 2021- Greg Olear

The Stuttering John Podcast

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The Stuttering John Podcast-May 27th, 2021- Greg Olear

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Montreal has the best best restaurants. I miss them so much. Monkey Madness wage songs by the stereo table, a kinky streets, Nikki be good, as gold is here. Hello his gold. I haven't seen you in awhile. Cosmic, grow shorty one. John death. Los we got here. Let's say hi to everybody. I can Cosmic Rose, Cosmic Rose. Why were you waiting on a check for ninety minutes? I don't know. People get me. I've been saying 4:00 on Tuesdays and Thursdays 4:00 PST for quite some time. So I don't, I don't know what happened, but it happens. There's the link if you want to donate. So PayPal. Me, slash John Melendez, ink and Carlene Martinez here from Iowa. Silence by the stereo. I'm on at the same time because of my gig that I have, William, Zavala Maple Leafs fan, with the badge. Maple Leafs fans Stuttering, John Army. So funny this is student on Twitter is is maple leaves or something. And of course because the fan everyone thinks, well the trolls think it's me just like they think. Salvage is me Cardiff. Electric gives me reminds me. Anybody that likes me. Apparently is me. It's such loses. Hang Sinatra, Jr. Thanks for five bucks. The complex houses, married and single soldiers and their families. I'm not really sure what that means. The time is in the show description. Oh, I see what you saying. Bob, that's a good point. I should put it in the okay. All right, I'll do that. Thank you. See you, if a mark p is here, I don't see the beds but I'm pretty sure he has one Steven genzer. Stephen Gibbs as Cardiff, electric is crazy sell. That's what I thought too. So, but I asked idea, I'm selling asked him and he said no. So, I don't know. How did my day go the other day? One got lucky one. I didn't house that. So I'm batting. I'm, I'm batting 50. Yeah, I know the beds attached to your account, you know, we got a lot going on today and before I bring in the great Gregg Rolie, our I want to share my screen here and show you. This is how appalling that the And hypocritical. The Republican party is so, you know, and I'm sure Greg will be able to talk about this as well. Let me get this they're out. There we go. If my Republican friends in congress not a single, one of them voted for the rescue plan. I'm not going to embarrass anyone on, but I have here a list. Of how back in their districts, they're bragging about you plan. The territory the restaurant, revitalization fund. They touted the fact that we're in a situation where they dealing with touted grants to Community Health Care, Centers town. I mean, some people have no shame but I'm happy. I'm happy. They know that it's benefited their constituents. That's okay, with me. If you're going to try get credit for what you've done. Don't get in the way what we still need to do. Even my Republican friends in Congress. So there it is. I mean, and that's just, it's just, it's just freaking, so ridiculous, you know. Do they have no shame? I mean, they don't even vote for the rescue plan and then go back to the constituents and tell them that they, you know, as if they did. This is how lame the Republican party has become the GQ p as we as we, so call it. One last note, before I bring him the great, great, goalie are, who I really appreciate him coming. Last minute, I had the cancellation of Threes, they say good things, and bad things will happen in threes. So the other day, how sparse couldn't do it. And we all understand why how lost a very close friend is so you know, so he couldn't do it then. Then the second cancel a show them today Dino badal was supposed to be on but we got the 4:15 PST 1:15 EST all mixed up. So he was like John I can't do that. I'm on but you know okay so he's going to come on next Saturday and then last minute I get a call from Dana dr. Dena Grayson and she's like, Josh, I'm sorry. I you know, cuz you know she's dealing with a whole fire at her house or whatever it was and she was like, I'm so sorry. I gotta finish this. All this paperwork for me, please, I've been looking forward at all. We could you please forgive me? I'm like, sure. I understand I'm not going to get mad at somebody, but that's why I am very grateful to my man coming on now because you know, it's anybody's e booking. And then look people's freaking schedules are going to change. I mean, it's going to happen. Thank you. Laura Colson for the five bucks now, without further, thought, Do let me bring on the great. Great. Goalie are to the program. How you doing? Greg, I'm good. How are you? I love your next Jersey there. Oh yeah, this is a, this is not integers. I don't know. Throwback. Chris Childs, Jersey from 1998. So, I grabbed this was, I guess we'll name almost the whole Champion team. I mean, yeah. Dave, the bush you had Clyde wallpaper bheja. You had Earl The Pearl Monroe. You had Bill Bradley you had Phil Jackson. I mean come on Captain Louis Riddick. Oh yeah, yeah. But come on, that's pretty good. I was a young kid I wasn't alive. But yes, there's a great book about it called the city game by Pete. What's his last name? I can't remember his last name now. Fantastic birthday about New York City basketball at the 1976 Championship. So yeah, I'm pretty good. I'm riding high from last night's Knicks game for sure. So I do feel like you said, you went to the to the airport and you needed a car and you went to Enterprise and Enterprise wouldn't come pick you up and then you went to Hertz and O J. Wasn't there to pick you up and you're like, you know what? I'll give this a try. So, here I am. I'm I'm the third option I Mavis and I'm happy to be here. I'm just very simple. You know, I asked I know but I just want I just want you to know cuz I want to clarify home. You know how many times I ask you first, and you just can't do it. It's know. I know. I know I'm giving you a hard time. I'm giving you a high club. I'm trying to play the, you know, the, the set up the volleyball thing, but it wasn't dead. It was funny that you tweeted out. Geez. I hope Tina didn't cancel because I heard I was coming now, she didn't, I loved it. I met her in person. She's so brilliant. He's one of these freaky not that this is a surprise, but she's one of these like, super freaky. Brilliant people, that can just just knows everything and you're just sort of sit listen to her and you're like, oh wow you're one of those. Okay, I get it now you're like a smarter than me interesting. Yeah, Greg people are asking, are you a Yankees fan or a Mets fan? I'm a Yankee stand. I mean, I don't really care anymore but you know, I'm still mad about the strike job. Well, I I id M David Cohen who was like, you know, like social media, you know, a friend of mine and I walk and I just said David I'm going to be coming to New York. So I hope that we can hang and I said and I said 3D. And 3D means, you know, the all three Perfect Games pitched by the Yankees were done Larson. David Cohen, David Wells, all these, right? Right. And I said, maybe Domingo Armand will be the next. So, we'll see. I remember, I remember the David Cullen, perfect game. That was that, was that my God, the calling one. I remember, this is probably one of the reasons why I got divorced, but when when Dwight Gooden was pitching his no-hitter in Nineteen Ninety Six, my pregnant wife needed her medication but I'm so OCD superstitious that even though I had to pee, I would not get off the bed because I didn't want to jinx. Try couldn't. And and I didn't get off the you know, I didn't get off the bed and guess what he got it. He got a no-hitter and of course it's all because of me. Yes, I think that I think that's true. I mean and you know, I don't know. People are are aware of this when the announcers are announcing the game, and there's no hitter, they're not allowed to say that it's a no-hitter, I know them to allude to it and hint at it, but they're not allowed to say it cuz it said it's a jinx and people get real. If they say and then then they, you know, the No No gets lost, so kind of fun. Baseball things, Benny Loco, thanks for the five bucks. She has a conundrum. She says, I need to be track, keep up with me hallan. The major hit that thumbs-up. Yeah, because like, you know, because of my gig right now. I am, you know, I can only do this show later on Tuesdays and Thursdays wage stinks because it runs into one. How does this show? And it runs into an Army Major. Oh, he does his show. So it's like, you know, it's like it's, you know, it's, you know, it's hard. I get cuz I thought We all do a liberal podcast. Thanks Hank, Sinatra Jr. Eat up blood. What. Whatever that means. But now you see the clip I play to Joe Biden, I did. Yeah. I mean Greg do they have no shame? I don't even know if they have free will at this point. I mean, like, I don't know that they are allowed to do with what, you know what they want. I think they have to do what they're told. I think it's a, let's make no bones about it. The the Republican party is a, you know, they're pro-life chakra. See, its authoritarianism party at this point. That's that's what it is. So when you function in an authoritarian system, you have no free will. You have to do what your Superior tells you to do, or you get sent to the gulag. And, you know, that we have a, we have a, a leader in Exile at Mar-A-Lago by I understand, he's back in Jersey now. Logo their Jersey or New York? I thought he was in Bedminster, but I might be wrong. I don't thankfully keep track of his whereabouts, all that closely. I'm not planning to spend the weekend with him. So I don't care really where he is, neither was Melania that makes it the same like every weekend that ever was dead. But these people, they're not, they don't care about the country, they don't care about doing what's, right? They don't care even about keeping us safe. I mean, you know, when you're when you're willing to lie and obfuscate about things like masks and pandemic response, I mean that's that's literally life-and-death stuff, they're doing terrible, life and death stuff. The the Roe v Wade assault is a life-or-death thing. These bills that have gotten that they're signing in in Mississippi, that's bands any, you know, you even say the word abortion or think it when you're pregnant and you can't do it off. Whatever the ridiculous law is, that that's, that's going to hurt people. People are going to die because of that, and God in Texas. Now John, we could go to Texas and we could just go buy a pack. I guess at the airport and walk around with it now. Is it it's just the law there now. What, what the fuck did? Sorry, I'm not supposed to work. What the heck of it? You think are going to happen when everybody in Texas. Can walk with a gun and not tell people that they have a gun or not be trained or or anything. I mean, this people are going to get hurt and die, mostly innocent people. And with the case of guns, probably mostly children off. So, if they don't care about children and they don't care about keeping us safe from the pandemic and they don't care, that their leader was a Russian. You know, I don't want to say off the people. Like I said, I just not technically and I said that he was, he's owned by the Russian mafia slash telogen Services. That's who he is. They don't care about that. What exactly do they care for what time? Little stand for anything. Once you lie about that, why not just go home and say oh yeah these things in the bill are great, you know it's it's it's insane but it's not not not nothing. They do surprise me at this point. No, no, I mean, it's yeah, exactly. But it's like, it's like, even with this, you know, what's the thing that the, they're all the jobs are restrictions Direction. And thank you Gigi by the seat, for the five bucks. But but I mean, Like like everyone's tweeting about do, you know the dollar is, I mean, you are, I am. It's just, it's just like how the hell if you don't want to have a commission to investigate an attack on our Capital, where there was screaming hang Mike Pence, our vice president and you don't want to investigate that. Are you really an American anymore? Or I mean or are you just as compromised as you know, as adults out is? Well, I mean, you're an accomplice, let's face it. The reason they don't wash, the only reason why they don't want that investigated because they're afraid stuff is going to come out that's going to get them removed from power and organ prison. That's why that's the only reason why any of these people wouldn't want that to be the case law. So, you know, I know, we keep saying this every time I'm on, I know you said all the time, but we have to keep saying January, 6th was a beseeching of the capital. It was an assault on our democracy. It was an attempted coup where the purpose was to kill. Mike Pence to kill Pelosi and get the chain of command. Such that Trump could leave and get pardoned. That's what I believe they were not there to take pictures. This is not a Taurus vacation, right? This was an attack on our democracy. The worst attack on our democracy since Booth shot, Lincoln in 1865. That's what it was. So if they're not going to take that seriously, they're not going to take anything seriously and I'm not a lawyer. I don't know how this stuff works, but my understanding is that part of the Fourteenth Amendment says that if you support sedition, not allowed to serve as a lawmaker on Capitol Hill and I think we have to apply that across the board. Which by the way is what they're afraid of ultimately, Yeah. It is it like I just I don't know. I think at that is that is the most easy thing to support is an investigation. That's the easiest thing. I mean, it's easy thing to support if you're innocent or if you're a victim of what happened that day, if you're, you know, somebody like you could say, well let's let's investigate the people that go to the brothel. You know. If you're somebody that goes to the brothel you don't maybe want that investigated so much cuz you don't want people to find out that you hang out there. I think there's anything wrong with brothels. I don't want to, I don't want to taint sex workers with this. The same tape as as these treasonous jerks it's just it it and analogy but you understand the point like they don't want to get out of state brothel and paint in the same sentence. I don't know. Don't do the ad read now for the manscaping. That's all I'm going to say off. But I do understand your point. I mean. Yeah, yes, dead. But, but okay let me just cuz so if they're not going to do this investigation, Army Major state Senator Richard Ojeda says that we, the house can still do their own investigation. Is that true? As far as I know? Yes. I mean, I the best thing I think and I get, I'm not a lawyer. I don't, I don't know the minutia of what these things are. The Attorney General of the United States has the power to appoint, a special prosecutor to investigate this ship, which is what should happen, Okay? Ideally Congress, does it? Because it should be public and we should know about it and hear the testimony, and all this stuff, but if this doesn't work out, we need to have them beste gation into that. Buy a special counsel similar to Mueller or, you know, the Clinton thing that has subpoena power where people have to come in and testify wage what we need. And, you know, enough of this like catering to the whims of these of these seditious jerks. Let's not have a republican handle it. This time, let's have like, I don't know when Kirchner and charges. Or somebody like that, who really actually cares about Justice and just going to do the right thing and find out what happened and, and prosecute everybody. Now that being said, I'm not that worried about it because it does appear. That may be, I is investigating the people that are doing this and it does look like they've arrested a whole lot of people and they're working their way up the chain that appears to be what's happening cuz you read news stories. Oh, so-and-so is in jail. Oh so-and-so is going to plead, they're going to play. Okay? Well if you're going to be, you're going to tell on somebody, you know, Sandy Baker, who was the founder of journalists, the video journalist, who was at the Capitol that Day filming it as a journalist was there, there were guys there on bullhorns telling everybody what to do. You know, the, the, the, the way that they entered the building and you can check out her Twitter. She has all of this on her Twitter, the timeline within five minutes, they had breached three or four different parts of the capital. It was a corn dog. Did attack coordinated attacks, don't happen out of the blue. They didn't get lucky with it. They had people timing this telling them what to do, including the president knighted states at the time. Donald, John Trump who was speaking that day rolling everybody up and who was an hour or so late that, you know, get the timing just so. So that's what happened and when that comes out, which it will month, it's going to work terrible. And I don't know how many people on Capitol Hill are involved in this, but based on the response by McConnell and the Republicans, the answer looks to be a lot of his. Let's let's let's let's just, let's have a little flight of fancy here. Let's make a pretend let's say that there are, you know, Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, let's say are involved with this month's bill tuberville tuberville the football coach Beaufort. No, no. She's in the house. I'm talking such three Senators now. Okay, let's say they're involved. Let's say they're arrested. What do you know? Now, there's three fewer Senators. Now we can go do whatever the hell we want. We don't care about Joe manchin. We can we can just go boom, boom, boom, boom, idiots or in the hosta, right? Very interesting stuff that McConnell is afraid of the house. The numbers are less. You know, it's less even I mean bogert was tweeting out the application of Pelosi at her movements. In real time they told her not to do that specifically and I know she's not smart but when someone says, hey don't tweet location stuff. This is important, you got home, you can't then not do it and claim ignorance. Yeah, it was up to but and that's the thing, I mean, when are they going to release the video tapes of those tours that they gave all those people and see if any Insurrection its are in there? Cuz if so man, they're freaking going to prison Lauren beaubourg. Then it's going to prison. Well, look, I think we can safely assume that the FBI of those types by now, right? Yes, I would like to think that the FBI has the tapes and the FBI has crossed referenced the people in the tapes with who they know. I would like to think that these investigations happening. I can't imagine that they're not. And again, you know, I've spent the last four years trying to explain to everybody and figure out all the trump-russia connections of this and that my brain is tired. I don't want to have to figure this one out and explain it. I want the FBI to do it this time. I really, I just problems. Yeah, this is my problem. Greg, I'm sorry for cutting you off, but since we have off, Enough ass wipes in Congress. Like you have your Mitch McConnell's and your and Kevin McCarthy's and all these guys that are willing to look the other way, can it be possible that the Republicans in the FBI will do the same? I don't think so. I mean, I know that there's, you know, there's bad apples there. This was, this was the case in 2016 because the New York Bureau of the FBI which was known as Trump life. You know, that they did that thing with the Anthony Weiner laptop to reopen the Hillary that that happened that's real Rudy was involved. I don't know what the, what the order of events was. But there were definitely some people there that put pressure on Comey to announce the opening of the investigation. If anybody hasn't seen the movie, the komi rule, that was on Showtime. Billy Ray wrote and directed. I highly recommend watching that it's it's not only is really as a piece of entertainment, very good, but it also really does explain kind of what happened in the timeline and off position Comey was put in Yeah, so the, you know, people did that that made that happen, but I think by and large, the FBI is probably, you know, people that are pretty good and pretty honorable and want to be there and believe in the mission and believes in in law and Justice. You know, why would you take that job? If you didn't y, makes no sense. I know, you know what, Greg I'm just losing faith in humanity when you see, what has been going on with this Republican party since 2016. It's like, it's like, it's like, where is their soul? You know what I mean? Where, where's their heart? I just don't get it and, and I'm like, it makes you almost like just all the, all the hateful mean crap that Mitch McConnell has done, you know, and even to Obama when a bomb first, got elected look how far back that is now twelve years ago. Even you know for him to say the our main goal is to make sure all Bob A one-term president. Like you gotta ask you really, that's your main goal, it's not trying to improve the economy. It's not trying to get people jobs. Your main goal is to get the black man down the White House. I mean, so, like I'm slowly losing faith in this white supremacist faction of humanity, if you will. You know what I mean. Well, I mean, not know. I agree with that part. I was going to say the way that the way that our government works, the way that its design a okay, it's, it's designed to have a two party system that's as frustrating as that can be. Sometimes it's baked into the system and if you go back and look at American history, There is a long tradition of compromise of people that do not agree sitting down at the table and arriving at compromises about things like mostly in the early days slavery. You know, it's just frankly bigger than anything we're talking about now, you had people in the country who who believed that slavery was fine and you had people that were not assholes, right? So you thought about white supremacy? Well, you know, that's the root and the foundation of it comes from there, but even so these people managed to compromise, they would come together and you have the Missouri Compromise and you have the 1850 Compromise to do. You read an American history textbook compromise after compromise after compromise. That's how governance happened in this country until around the time that Clinton became president and Newt Gingrich said, basically, screw this guy, we're not going to do anything that he says. Our role is not to compromise. Our role is to obstruct and from that moment on the Republican party has been a party birth. Obstruction not counting the bush years when they just were set about destroying the economy and you know, asleep at the wheel during the terrorist attack and then attacking a country that was not responsible for 9/11 and spending a trillion dollars that we didn't need to spend and killing a lot of people in Iraq for no reason. But other than that, there was no more compromise. None, there was no pretext. There's a pretense of compromise there is as you said that Mitch McConnell line. Our goal is to make sure he's a one-term president and no, that is not how it should be. That is not how it should be in order for this to work in order for the government to work there needs to be compromised, everybody goes into the bargaining table and comes out a little bit pissed off. And that's how you know that the thing is a good deal is that each side gets a little bit of what they want. No one is, is totally happy and incrementally, change happens. That's always how it's been in this country and it's served us. Well, most of the time, it's dead. It's taking too long for certain things, but by and large because of the incremental nature of progress, it's allowed the people to kind of catch up to it and it's prevented I think these, you know, Revolution stuff like that which we have not had here. Remember we started our country in 1776 with the revolution Fran stood there. Since 1789 and has had like twenty seven governments. Since then they just took in a revolution after revolution I lost track of it too complicated. We had one and we're done you know we set this thing up and we're still at it, that's not normal. Historically it's an anomaly but you know but again these people don't care. They are here. They want to destroy the government. They want it to destroy. I don't know why. I don't know if it's white supremacy or they think they're going to be all in arcs like in Russia or something. I don't know if they're evil if they're caught. Some of them are compromised, a combination of all of the above but that's what the Republican party is about.. Yeah, no. It's it's just insanity and let me ask you this Marjorie. Taylor Greene tweets, this horrific anti-semitic thing, comparing mask-wearing to the Holocaust, okay? Now then she doubled down and kept on like tweeting about it. And finally, finally Greg, Kevin McCarthy Mitch McConnell, come out and say that it was wrong and and it's horrible that she says it. Now I have a I have a couple of questions for you, why? Hey, why did it take so long for them and be? Why do they even do it at all? Who cares? Is my answer? These are horrible people. I mean, look, say what you will about Marjorie Taylor Greene. At least we know that she's a complete asshole, she makes no bones about it. She is a proud asshole. That's what she is. She's proud of her ignorance and I don't know, I think it's a net good for it to have people like that, because at least we see what they're they're not trying to be something that they're not, right? She's the enemy of everything good Jason and we know this cuz she doesn't hide it. So, you know, yes, what she said is ridiculous, but of course, that every time she opens her mouth, she says, ridiculous things. The point of her saying these things. So that we talked about it, I don't want to talk about her because I don't care about her. She's a, she's a congressman in some, you know, as opposed though, Greg has a vote, but she's not on any committee. She's powerless. They know this, maybe she'll help raise funds, but I don't even know if that's true. I mean, yes, she makes news Cycles. Yeah, she does this and that, but the people really agree with it. I don't know. I don't know what the Dead. I think maybe she's there to make the rest of them. Look less awful. I think that you know I had a job once where you know, it was a small office and we had one guy who worked there, who was kind of just not a model employee, like call out sick all the time and you come and drunk. You would leave early all the time, make up excuses for this and that. And you know, if she wanted to fire him, ever the boss kind of, you know, took a had a sympathy for him and everybody else in the office was really frustrated cuz it's like why is this guy, you know, get special treatment when we're all working off? And he's not. But I'm like, dude, we look so much better because we have this jerk here. He makes all of us look better. That's everyone. So, I think maybe there's some of that going on with her. I don't know. I can't. I honestly can't pretend to know what goes on in these people's heads. I really can't. There's just no. You know, we search for logic where there is no logic. Yeah. You, you know, Greg it's great job. Said that I was thinking about that. The other night I was like Or, or I think it was this morning like you can't like, you can't get into. You can't get understanding out of a crazy person's mind, like it's impossible. Like, you can't understand someone as hateful as a Mitch McConnell because you and I can't relate to that. And it's it's it's futile to try and understand it. You know what I mean? Like, because we're never going to understand it. Because we are young, we weren't brought up that way. You know what I'm saying? We're not actively evil, you know? And yeah, but it's also with a lot of this stuff, they paint these life-size. And they create these narratives that are untrue, but people really believe this shit. I mean, people really believe that Trump, you know, law as secretly won the election and this rig sauce installed, but which is just It makes no, the math is so it makes no sense. It's just so stupid that it can't even be contemplated. And yet, there are people that really, really believe this and it is very hard, okay? Psychologically, once you've doubled down and trickled down on something in your belief system, even if it's a lie or not, it is very difficult to say to stop, believing it to suck. My God, I was wrong about that because so much of their identity is tied up in it now, right? It's not just about logic or fact, it's about identity, and tribalism, and who they identify with, right? And It's very, very hard to break through on that I have. My friend is your trade and read and wrote this great book called the truth about the lies. And she talks about this a little bit in the book, right? Where Lies come out. People start to believe them. They have like three or four times. It's sunk in, and once it's sunk in like that, it's very hard to dislodge. You know, stories rumors, stick around because you heard of a bunch of times, and that's it, they just stick, right? I can tell you, I can tell you rumors and you'll nod your head and say, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Right? That aren't true because they were Urban myths about twenty-five years ago. And even though they're not true, they just they were somehow and repeated enough that they got ingrained in the in, in people's minds about stuff, and the Republicans are very good at home. They're very good at saying. Hey, Paul Brian is a policy wonk How does he know he's not guy's an idiot. He's a dope. He's like, you know, did you see the video of him like in the weight room? He's not a policy wonk, that's crazy. Yeah, so I don't know, even even the The Narrative of the Republicans are always in lockstep and Mitch McConnell, always wins is not as a false there. Mitch McConnell is lack of times. Mitch McConnell's purpose was to make Obama whole interim. President a pretty sure he want to re-election, pretty sure. That that that was a big fail on which is part, right? So he doesn't win all the time off, didn't win the senate in Georgia, he's not the majority leader anymore, you know, things do happen. So I don't know. I'm off on this off on this tangent. Now I forget worry about it. Greg I am. I mean look I love having you on man. Thank you. Gigi bar this Eve for the $5 a month. She says thank you Greg for being here tonight. Thank you, John and community. And I want to say hi to my buddy there. Robert Myers. I'm glad that you feeling better, dude. Cuz apparently was having health issues. So I just want to say, I don't want so. Yeah, I mean and you know what should take on the on the job training pool and everyone attacking doctor fauci like like now they're all attacking doctor fauci cuz he's saying maybe you know it didn't you know, it come from Wolf Pack. I mean, what do you think? I don't. Well, first of all, read Paul's is a, a moron be an asshole and see working for Russia and has been for quite some time. And I'm not the one who said this, John McCain said it off floor of the Senate senator from Kentucky is working for Vladimir Putin, he said and if you go back and and I wrote a piece about Rand Paul on, medium years ago called red Paul. So go check that out. You can read all about all this Russian buddies and he likes to say things like what we need to have engagement, we need to have engagement with Moscow, who's engagement is good and and he, they make up this page so that he can go play footsie with Putin and Putin's men. Number Rand, Paul went to Moscow and delivered a letter and actual handwritten letter and gave it to Putin from Trump, right? So I, you know, that's a ram Paula. So, I don't care what he says. We are all Ram. Paul's neighborhood. As for the fallacy business and the room. I don't, I don't, I don't care, I guess, I don't know like it happened. I I don't think there's any reality in which China intentionally do anything to us. I why would they do? That makes no sense stupid to think that they would. So exactly. Hey, I know what we'll do, let's destroy the country that gives us all their money. Why would they do that? That's life the stupidest. That's the goose and the golden eggs. Right? There are Labs that study these diseases and sometimes should happens in the lab and things of State. I don't know that's possible. If that happened, it happened, but you know, it could have happened anywhere. If we didn't have Labs studying this shit, we wouldn't have the backseat so I don't, I just don't think it's that. I just, it's just such an interesting life at least, you know. I don't know. I got other things on my mind of more importance. All right, Greg, try not to laugh about this but Matt gaetz is saying he's considering a presidential run. Okay. Is it going to be president of prison as you get to be president of the United States or president of his girlfriends high school? That's the question. I mean this guy is about to go down and be put in prison and he's talking about running for president. The only thing he'll be running from is the cops. I, you know, I've said this before, I forget if it was here or narrative but Matt gaetz is Donald Trump. He's a younger Donald Trump. That's who he is when Donald Trump was younger. He was exactly what page Seventeen and under vote. Oh, that's good. That's good, that's good. Yeah, I don't know about that. He is Donald Trump. That's when Trump was that age that's made his life. He had a father who was very wealthy, a father who looked the other way, all of his transgressions, a father who bailed him out, Time and Time Again, by the time he got into trouble and he never faced any consequences for anything he ever did ever ever ever. That's and then, you know, at age whatever 70-something he becomes president and try our hardest to end democracy in the United States. So, you know, Matt gaetz is the exact same in my opinion. I I there's very little daylight between their personality types, of course, he's going to, he's going to keep saying anything that gets the, the cameras to run on him. The best thing that can happen to Matt gaetz is that not only is he go to prison? If we don't even know what prison he's in, we never hear from them. Again, he's just there and we never hear, you know, thirty years from now. There's a news story. Gates, released from prison where like, who? All right, that guy forgot about that guy. So that's what I hope happens. Yeah, but yeah, president's not going to I don't think he's going to get the nomination. No, no no, no. I don't think well, I think that it's going to be off. The Santa switch is just, I mean, lucky goes down to apparently there's stuff on DeSantis AJ Delgado, tweeted something yesterday the day before saying there's more coming from the Santas and it doesn't have to do with covert. So I don't know what that means, but I don't think she would tweet. That should know stuff cuz she, we did that AJ Delgado who that she's she was the, you know, that Jason and she's a Republican or X Republican political operative who is involved with Jason Miller, briefly practically and as seen the white, so anyway, she she I think knows things. So I don't know, maybe she doesn't but I thought that was an interesting, take the Santa song Geraci's, definitely, you know, he will be the guy if if the Republican Party continues down the path of overt fascist obfuscation. And not the list anyway. Well, here's some good news, and I don't know if you've, if you've seen this, I try and read everything I can Greg before I did this joke. Contrary to popular, belief wage but President Biden among Fox News. Viewers has a 54% approval rating which month, which is a number that even Donald Trump could not get that high for Fox News viewers. So what does that saying? I mean are, are the people that watch Fox News finally going? Wow, Biden seems awfully normal compared to compared to the last idiot that we had in in the white house. I mean, you have to think, yes, I do. Because first of all, he is inviting is a pretty likeable guy. I mean, he really, when he first entered the race, I my first response was, oh God. This needs to all these, this net worth A very, you know, he grows on you. He really does he's likeable and he's well suited for this role at this moment in history. I think. And I think you know, he's he's done a great job so far. I'm not crazy about some of the foreign policies stuff of late. I think it needs to hit back a lot harder on Russia and Putin, but we'll give them a little time on that. But, well, he's going to meet with Putin. June, June, eighteenth got to read them to fucking riot act as well? I think he will, I think he's going to go you with us. I'm telling, you know, you know, I'm going to sanction your ass, you know, you know. I mean, trust me. I Joe Biden. And he he believes in diplomacy but he didn't get to take any shift from this freaking idiot. I don't think he is either, but I feel like the Ukraine piece is something that people don't really understand that. Well, I had on my podcast which is called Prevail everybody. Please subscribe, last week, I guess. Last Friday I had a guest on name Victor off. Who do we talk about this already? I can't remember. I don't think we did. He's an expert. He's an attorney and was the past chair of Ukrainian American Bar Association and knows all kinds of stuff about Ukraine and the podcast of what he has to say. Really blew my mind is why I wanted to have Monica, the American government especially does not understand the role of Ukraine Visa be Russia. They think that Ukraine was just like a little part of Russia that broke off and that Russia always had controlled it and this and that And it's just not true. That's not what actually happened. Ukraine predates Russia, there was a ruler of Ukraine and Kia of the the Kevin Roose. That was there long before the walk-ins became effect and even the word Russia was appropriated to sound more like the key Evan Russe or Ukrainian and what we now call Russia was known as Muscovy cuz it was based around Moscow. Now even dating to the time of the czar's, the Russians have tried to appropriate in a race Ukrainian history for a variety of reasons, mostly because they want to conquer you suck. Cuz that's where the natural resources and all the terrible. You know, fertile, Farmland has and other things. So they've always tried to invade Ukraine. Hitler wanted to invade and Conquer Ukraine for the same reasons and was always this place that people wanted and had their sights on. So the other thing is that when the Soviet Union collapsed, okay? In nineteen ninety one and Ukraine declared independence. It had more nuclear weapons than any country in the world other than the United States and Russia. It had more nuclear weapons than China, France and Israel put together and it gave up its nuclear weapons willingly came to the table. The US said, you really can't. We're trying to do the non-proliferation. Hear you really should Surrender Your Weapons. Give them to Russia, so we can keep track of them. The ukrainians said, okay, the American said we will protect you. The other countries said we will protect you. Russia said, we won't protect you, Ukraine said. All right, here's my weapons. That was in nineteen ninety four and then what happens, Putin rose rose tanks into Crimea a part of Ukraine invades and occupies it takes it over a week to a goddamn thing. We do some sanctions great. But that's it, you know? And you go back in history. Okay? Hitler went first to the Rhine where he wasn't supposed to go off. I don't go there, then, he went into the sudetenland, then he invaded the Czech lands and then there was the big Munich conference with Chamberlain and Hitler said no, no, no, that's it, I'm done. And they said okay you can keep the sudetenland but you got to promise that you're done and Hitler said no no more and Chamberlain said great peace in our time and then like, as soon as the airplane took off the knock off invading Poland, okay? When you, when you appease these crazy lunatic people, they just keep taking more. That's what they do. That's it's in their DNA. Winston Churchill dead, an appeaser is someone who feeds the crocodile, hoping he will eat him lest That's okay. Now contrast that with Saddam Hussein in nineteen ninety, one rolls into Kuwait, Saddam Hussein is a thug and he's a thief. He's a criminal. He rolled into Kuwait cuz he didn't want to pay back the money that he owed the government of Kuwait. He thought, I'll just take the place over and then have to pay them back. The first thing he did when he got there was sort of robbed the bank. Okay, seriously criminal. So what do we do? George HW is President rallies and and formed an alliance with all these, you know, NATO and western-allied countries. We go up there, we kick his ass out of Kuwait and we and that's it. There's no more Iraq trying to invade other countries in that moment on. Okay, so you look at the two things Hitler, on the one hand Saddam Hussein on them. Okay. Whatever we think about that first Gulf War, it worked it did exactly what it was supposed to do and had exactly the desired result. Putin goes into Crimea and we're Hitler dead. He's already in here from Ukraine. He's going to move do more stuff into Belarus. They want to expand, they want the Russian Empire back. The Soviet Union was an empire was not Russia. It was an empire in which a communist government based in Russia took over countries that were adjacent to it. It was an old-school Empire. That's what it was dead and all of these countries deserve self-determination. They have it now, are we just going to sit back and let them do it? You know, we have to figure this out because he's just going to. He's not going to be satisfied with. This is just going to keep going. That's what these people do. Yeah so I love the history lesson from the Greg. Griego Lee are the old Iraq and Kuwait thing. You know, even though I probably if you know either, I don't remember but but wow. Yeah I mean that's cool because I wasn't a fan of George Bush. Well, you know foreign policy-wise he did a lot of things that were really awful but they all I mean, all presidents do but it's it's almost impossible to be president or not but you said Obama. He tried to work with McConnell too much at the beginning. So he was, I mean, that's not bad to try and work with somebody. You mean bad like bad bad. I would argue that his last year again. He got rolled he let McConnell roll him, you know, he he didn't do enough to keep us from having Trump and that jeopardized the the the actual public. He also, you know, it was soft on Russia, that that happened on his watch, right? I mean, he didn't, it was all reset, so you should not not anything. Actively evil, I don't think, but It's hard to be the president, it really is. Yeah, I want to thank Maxwell for the five bucks there. And now let me ask you a question Greg, and this is a new thing now, which is another odd Twist on the Republican Party Paul Ryan. This is, this is on. This is from CNN, Paul. Ryan is to enter the GOP Civil War excerpts from a plant strong tonight. So, the former house speaker is expected to address Trump's. Hold on, the Republican party, you know, like, we're seeing more of this, more and more. Old-school, Republicans are starting to come out and and, and, and actually speak up and go guys. Stop your lions with Donald Trump. He's, you know, he's killing our party, you know, have you noticed that? Well, I think in a lot of cases, it's, it's cold calculation. Let's Chinese the leader of this and, you know, bless her heart. I pray, she has one for doing it because somebody has to what what their what she's saying basically is off. I agree with every awful thing. He does except the part about where he tried to destroy it, over to the government, I draw the line there and I think Paul Ryan is probably going to say the same thing. I think a lot of like you're Jeff flake's and people especially will not in office and not go to run anymore by John Boehner. Probably feels this way. I haven't read the quote, John Boehner. Yeah, John Boehner said that, Mitch McConnell was an asshole and Tom Cruise was an answer, they're going to go in. But you know, they have to the Republican party for the country to survive in any meaningful way. The Republican Party either needs to die off and be replaced by a functional second, you know, conservative party or it needs to be off the last, you know, or whatever word you want to use because have chemotherapy right page hard. That the Trump thing is, it's, it's Insidious. It's, it's invasive and awful and it's going to kill the party. And if it goes the entire party, it's going to kill the country. Ultimately, because we can't survive off. We can't as a country, it's been too many years of obstruction as it is. But we can't have Outwardly, you know, overt autocratic, take over stuff, where we just look the other way, when there's which attempts on the capital. So, I thought, well, you know, The yeah, I got I had a question for you, but, but I just saw this page as one too. So I'll ask us first page. See em, thanks for the five bucks. She's asked if either of you read the ESPN article by Spectre son in reference to Trump. Spygate in the NFL, remember, too, that Putin has Kraft Super Bowl ring. I didn't know that. That craps Super Bowl ring. I did actually it about, I tweeted about this, I shared the article to say that I treated about it and I didn't even go into the replies because anytime you you say anything about the Patriots, yay, or nay. It just gets too, too crazy. First of all, let's, let's break it down. First of all, yes, Putin does have a Super Bowl ring that he got from patients owner Robert. Kraft, maybe he asked to see it and never gave it back, I don't know. But I don't know what you're doing hanging out with Putin in the first place. So, you know, too bad but It's all a little bit weird. This is the same Robert Kraft that got busted for going to the happy ending, massage parlor in Throne of that time, right? Okay. That's a, the article said that Arlen Specter was at the time, the senator in Pennsylvania, who was looking into, I guess, the Spygate investigation Spygate be different than deflategate. Okay. Deflategate I think is really stupid because I, I coached I coached girls basketball and what happens is if you have bought that are inflated and you leave them in the trunk of your car overnight and it gets really cold you come out and they don't bounce anymore because it's cold. That's what happens. Greg, this is. This is like super balls. I mean, I mean, this is not bowling. The trunk know it's Championship balls that got lost lost air because it was cold outside. Also, I think there are winning by for touchdown Internet game and he handed off the whole second map so it could have injected cement into the ball. He would have been fun like it. So but now deflategate is important because God they nailed them on deflategate because they didn't mail them on spy dates by Gators when they were they were secretly showing on the on the Jets which is just Why do you need the spider Jack Jacqueline. Watergate. Like why you breaking into George McGovern's offices? He's not going to win, you know you want you got like four hundred and fifty electoral votes to what do you do in life. So but the NFL because Kraft is a very influential owner, the NFL was perceived to have been too lenient with the Spygate punishment. So when the deflate thing happened, they felt like they needed a really, you know, what's the word, take them to the woodshed, right? Which meant that Tom Brady went up getting suspended for four games even though he dead. Literally didn't do anything and I'm not blame me, Tom. Brady is, but it's ridiculous. Whole thing is, I'm afraid, it's a big Trump fan by the hotel, but the whole thing is ridiculous, practice makes me love Eli. Manning that much more that he beat him twice. Can I tell you my psychic dream story about that Super Bowl first rule? Which one the first or the second? The first one, the first one, I had a dream and in my dream, I dreamt that the Giants won the Super Bowl over the Patriots. This was a day or two before because if something great that Eli Manning did, but that I didn't see the game for some reason that was my dream job. Anyway, the day of that Super Bowl, I was really sick. I got sick, I had a fever and in the flu, I guess, and I was asleep and I woke up and it was like 10 minutes to game time, so I almost slept through it. So it all came true, which is very weird. And I so pissed off that I did not put money on this, but no, but happened just as I foretold sort of well, you know, you know, they say that, you know, some things happen for a reason. And now that we're talking about football, let me just go into my sponsor. Gregor you a betting, man, Oh, let me tell you. If you're a betting man, John, you need to take Julius Randle Points Plus rebounds. Whatever it is take it to it at betonline.ag the fastest and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action baseball season is in full swing. And you could track all the action at betonline.ag, get all the latest news, odds and info for all your sporting needs including MLB NBA NHL and all your UFC, MMA actions real-time updated odds and props on almost anything. You can imagine betonline.ag, has you covered for all the news scoresandodds. It's the best way to place your bets, and it's free to sign up before the next pitch. 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Now, theaters are going to start opening. I mean it's only logical that AMC is going to start making money again. The stock is now a 24 and I bought a bunch at freaking nine. Oh, nice work. Very nice work and I saw her today. Wage is like, look at that, GG by the seat. Thanks for the five bucks. Seriously. Both are so awesome and I guess, yeah. And I guess, I guess you just showed your next jersey number because King cap asked in the chest. I got to show the the reverse though cuz it's it's a Chris Childs. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz I wouldn't have known quattlebaum overtopping, wears number one. He was great last night. Oh man. It was great. Did you watch the game last night? You know, I've never been a big basketball fan, but I'm basketball and hockey, I could take it or leave it baseball and football on my two main sports, you know, I mean, I watched the Yankees and Giants every single game I can It was a, it's a second playoff game at MSG since, you know, an eight years and Obi toppin was the, we had to first picks in the first round. And Obi was number eight, overall. I think. And he kind of kind of a mixed bag of a year cuz he plays the same position as Julius Randle. Who's a power forward? Who came in this year, was suddenly awesome, right. But last night top and played well there was one sequence where he blocked a shot on one end and then ran the floor and got an alley-oop and dumped it and the place went it was the loudest. It's been in you know a decade probably found believable so much fun. Anyway thank you line of your day for the five bucks. She says Greg why did Rod Rosenstein defend n s o in case of what in case versus what I don't know. I'm not I'm not a lawyer so I can't get into the I don't want to mislead anybody but that guy, that guy's a weasel, you know, I think he's a dog. I think he let us all down and I don't trust him at all. I don't trust him as far as I can throw. And again, I'm going to again plug the Billy Ray two-part series on Showtime be role. Because Rod Rosenstein is really a portrayal in there of him is spot-up. Wow, so that's that was a chef's kiss and not like the, you know, the month, okay? Sign that the 3 percenters use. Okay, so let me ask you this question. Greg, let me just ask you one more question asked me away, ask me, whatever questions you want. This is Michael, do impression just one more thing. That's good, that's good. Thanks, but anyway, What do you think of the narrative? Now that the Republican Party Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell will kiss Donald Trump's ass because they're afraid that Trump breaks off and formed his own Republican party, like a different, you know, Bastion of Republican different faction of the Republican party. Is there any? I mean could that possibly be true actually that afraid of the do Todd. No, I don't think that's why they're doing it. I mean, I think that that's because they're owned these guys, are anybody that goes to Mar-A-Lago to see? Trump is owned. It's, it's like tell at this point. Yeah, you don't go there to Kiss the Ring of that man, unless he owns you. That's just how it is. Sorry, I don't know what they did. I don't know what Trump has on it and Kevin McCarthy wage has been a sleazebag for a long time. He knew about all the Ukraine Russia stuff years. And years ago, if you go on my Prevail page, there is an article called the Ukraine thing written by Aaron Harris, that he's clearing fog on Twitter, that goes into the timeline and all this stuff. Kevin McCarthy, new as did Paul Ryan way back, when all about Putin and life threat. That was coming down the pike here based on what was happening in Ukraine. He didn't do anything. He was making jokes about. Oh, I think that the the only people that Putin pays are Trump and off. About it and then they're giggling about it. So, you know, he's in on this stuff, you don't then go into bed with Trump after saying something like that. Unless you're also involved in some way. How is it on it? I have no idea but the guy is owned. He zones. Yeah, I mean it's it's just but I mean well then well that leads me to the next question. How could An American. Like how could they be owned by? Our country that has been our enemy for years. It's, it's really, you know, it's much stuff. It's just, they get, they have ways of, of, of getting information about on you or compromise on you. I don't know what it is. It depends on the person and that's it. And you can tell it's, it's maybe I just cynical at this point, but it's very easy to tell who these people are, because they came in early, on in 2015, saying, Trump is awful, which he is. Then they would have a meeting with Trump usually on the golf course. And then it would leave the meeting saying, oh my God, Trump is great. You know, and this happened with, you know, I ran off and it happened with Lindsey Graham and it happened with Ted Cruz, and Ron Johnson went to Moscow and came back and has been spewing Russian disinformation since he got back. I mean it's easy to see anybody that that did a 180 on Trump to become Pro. Trump is compromised. I think I mean, you know. Yeah yeah well that that explains Mitch McConnell because he also is asking for a personal favor for the Republicans to block the January 6th Commission A personal favor. Let me make sure I have it right? Yeah I think he did say that a personal favor. What that what the hell is that about? Cuz she has my mom. Yeah well you were explain because McConnell didn't play any part of the incitement of the Insurrection but like you said he's afraid that the people that Ted Cruz and Josh. Always that did if they got arrested they'd have to step down and then and then and then we'd have a Democratic Senate. So it does make sense, politically I guess but it doesn't make sense. As an American, you know, I mean, that's where it doesn't make sense and that's where I, you know, Greg, you know, we are living in the weirdest time in our history that Republican party really does not love their country. I mean, you know, I mean, that's what it essentially comes down to now, I mean, this isn't the first time that foreign countries have tried to influence American politicians to do things. Certainly you know you had politicians that were really tight with an obscene and like Hitler and wanted us would have preferred that we get into the war on Germany's side. Certainly you know same thing in the first world war like there's a lot of that is just pure isolationism to avoid choosing sides. So this isn't new. What's new is the the technology package I think when there's so much that they could do now but You know, that movie the conversation with Gene Hackman's, you see that service made in film school at NYU. But yeah, where you go that was made in either seventy-two, I think it was seventy-two. I think faith in The Godfather came up the same year. So Godfather, whatever it is. And the idea of it is Gene, Hackman plays this guy who is specializes in bugging, people meeting, you know what, the recording them and eventually his driven mad by the fact that he's gone paranoid that everyone is listening to him all the time. And even then, they were able to record people all over the place now and then they can get anybody anywhere. I would think, I mean, if you're in like I'm here in my office, I'm talking into a, a webcam. I've got a microphone on a laptop. I have a phone, which everybody else is a phone, like there's there should all over that people could intercept. Not that anybody would want to, but they could. So the possibilities for, you know, exploitation and abuse of this stuff are so vast by a foreign governments and you know, people are fallible people, do things that they shouldn't do they, you know, cheat on their spouses and they pocket money when they shouldn't public money and they take bribes that. They think maybe nobody will find out about, and, you know, they're married, but they secretly prefer to do with dudes and they don't want anybody to find out about it cuz they don't want to lose an election, you know, or whatever about Lindsey Graham. No, he's not. So you know, it's just so much money. Possibility for them to to get stuff on. People that people don't want to, you know, have come out. And the only way to to combat when you're being blackmailed is MM, beat them to the punch like Jeff Bezos. They when they had his phone right, Jeff Bezos. Phone got hacked, probably by MBS and Saudi Arabia there were threats about oh we're going to expose this affair or having and he just went public with it is once you do that and neutralizes everything. So it's terrible cuz you come out with it, you hurt the person that you love and this and that. But that's what happens with these senators and other members of Congress have chosen not to do it that way. So I don't know, I don't know what, I don't know what goes on in their minds, like I don't know what makes it guy like Ted Cruz tick, you know, here's Is Trump is insulted his wife insulted, his dad and salted him multiple times and he just, you know, he doesn't care. I know that's one of my first tweets. This morning with Ted Cruz, tweeted out him in a picture of him. And his wife, I guess it's their wedding anniversary today, and he goes, oh, I love this woman so much and I went. Yeah, he loved her so much that you didn't, you didn't defend doing Donald Trump called her ugly. Right. I mean, really, I mean, Ted Cruz is the epitome of slime. Yeah, yeah, yes, cuz he's smart enough to know. I mean, he has the IQ, he's, you know, like, you know, empty, green MTG, whatever Taylor green. I don't think she's smart enough to eat understand what she's doing. You know, I agree almost. It's almost pathetic in a way that you feel almost sorry for somebody. For being that stupid. It's dead. You know should be put in the home or something. Giving some kind of education, I don't know. Ted Cruz knows better. That makes him dangerous thoughts on Cotton is better mixing dangerous? Yep. Yeah it's true. Now Greg. I don't know if I've ever asked you this but the The Giuliani. You know, now that they got I forgot what I was watching but now that they got all the information on his laptops. Oh, I was watching some guy. Chris do something something on YouTube that now that they have all the shit guiliani doesn't have to flip and the FBI doesn't need them to flip because it's all their soul. You know, you know, All of that is all going to lead to truck. Trump is dicked now, I don't know, I mean, he's been Teflon Don for quite some time, Greg, but I don't know how he gets out of all of this, this too much going on. You know, the smart play for the Republicans. Now, if they want to draw attention away from their crimes, on January 6th, and whatever else is to offer the sacrifice of trump. And hope that everybody is so preoccupied with that, that they all get away with it. So I don't know. I, I really do think that he's going to get indicted in New York, Iraq. Do I have coming? I I I don't think it's going to be quite as cathartic as we want. I don't think we're going to get a perp walk or anything like that. It might take a long time for any justice to happen, but I do think he's going to get indicted. I think that whole family is going to go down, maybe not Kushner, but the kids and, you know, there's any question is one of the worst 2o? He is the worst. But I think because people dying from covert in blue States and he, and he admitted it. Yeah. Now he's, he's I think guilty of Espionage. I mean, he, he goes back to Saudi Arabia and allegedly gives them classified intelligence information in exchange for, you know, hey, help me with my loan found, like it's very, very sketchy. The stuff he was doing and I mean, to do that to, you know, proper US policy in exchange for help wage. You can't pay the loan and you're stupid building that you're idiot. Company bot is just horrible. You know. It's it's treason. So you know by any other name I think technically it is us be on Thursday but that's a whole other thing. That guy's clearly very well protected. I I don't, I don't know that they have used for Trump. I think at this point, if Trump got indicted and actually went to prison, it would be good for the Republicans wage. I mean, tactically. Who's well-protected Greg? Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Craig you know, this new Grand Theft. What's the newest thing that that that you know that they just announced, you know, with Trump the you know, they have a grand You know, I'm blanking on it. I can't believe it. I don't know. No, yes, you do a general idea but I can't shoot me. Another key word. I don't know how long, you know, the sdn wise is now a grand investigation at some point, grand jury the grand jury. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then, I thought, how could that be off? Okay. Well, they have a grand jury and the grand jury as I understand it. Again. I'm not a lawyer but they, you know, I've watched law shows on T and the the grand jury is when they present their cases to see if indictments are. Do you think it's a good sign? Oh yeah. Cuz you can't have indictments without it. It means indictments are coming and somebody. Somebody said, I forget some lawyer or judge said that a good lawyer can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, that's a famous quote. So yesterday, I saw scaramucci treated table Is a ham sandwich, that's pretty funny. Oh, good, as gold said, Glenn curses last video is all about the grand jury. You know, I gotta have Glen on talk about it. Sally beavers saying, North Carolina, Republican senators are, pressuring the Democratic governor to cancel the enhanced unemployment insurance to this is what I mean, what Greg it boggles the mind, like, they don't care about their constituents, they don't care about their own people look, horrible money, you know, and I think that when you're at that level of just functional evil cuz these guys are doing the work of evil men and women off, you know whether they're criminals or people that are just taking money off shore and hiding it. So that it's avoiding the tax base they're making it hard for taxes to be collected. Which makes it harder for us to get things like unemployment, insurance benefits extended and universal healthcare and you know, help with student loans or whatever it is that we want to pay for where the richest country on the planet. We should be able to have these things. And one of the main reasons why we don't have these things is because the tax code is so screwy. And these insanely wealthy people, the top 1%. Which by the way, I think Biden said today, I'm coming after the 1% money, he said that they and let me bring up. I'm sorry for cutting you off at home to Red Bull but then why? All right, and you know, I'm sure this is an easy answer, but why are the why are Republicans in favor of of supporting the top one percent? I mean, you know, it's not, I mean, it's ninety-nine percent of people are getting screwed. Why are they in favor of helping out the top 1%? Why? You know, it's, it's the opposite page are there because they favor the 1%, the appeal to the other people, that vote for them, is all basically psyops to get enough votes, all of the stuff about, you know, all the stuff Trump said and really gave voice to, you know, Mexicans are rapists and criminals. And and they're sending their worst people. And, you know, being a guy this, an anti. And good people on both sides, all that stuff, all the the wedge stuff. Is designed to incite people that they think are going to vote for them and they need those votes. They need that in the past, the votes of the racists and the religious, right? Or enough to let the rich people's, you know, ministers do whatever they want it. And it pretty much remains that way Mitch McConnell is there to to work for the Cole Brothers and whoever else? That's why he's there isn't care about anybody else. You know, why would he? They're not as his people, his his job is to do the bidding of his master that's job and that's what he's going to do. So you know, if it happens to benefit people fine, but Mitch McConnell isn't even isn't even very good at pretending. I see it but Carly Martin says, which is a good point. Carlene is because they are the one percent that is also. Yeah, although the, you know, some of the Senators are very wealthy but a lot of them are, are, you know, birth Service, you wealthy, the people that they work for and who's bidding they do are vastly wealthier than they are. So but you know, it's like it's it's odd cuz when you have like your warm thoughts of the world who, you know, have you know, more money than you could ever like imagine like he's in favor of taxing the top 1% and and he's like a trillionaire, you know, I'm home. So I don't, you know, I don't know. It just, it just doesn't make sense like, you know, and then and then we go back to religion. It's like these Christians who are about Jesus, who would Jesus, who would give the shirt off his back to anybody? You know, yet, they don't want, you know, they don't follow any of the principles of Jesus at all. Right. No, it doesn't. It doesn't make any sense. But I'll tell you this historically speaking, have you go back at the time? The big revolutionary movement that swept through Europe in the nineteenth Century. You would think that okay, like, in Russia, for example, when so much of the country was, you know, in serfdom, so basically slaves, to the rich landowners, the poorest of the page or you would think would be the people that would most support the revolutions that would make their lives better. That never happened. The poorest of the poor almost always were on the side of the crown and the month and has our case of Russia because it's just what they believed. And it's it's similar to, you know, here where you have people voting against their interests, it was the middle class and the teacher was Z, push those revolutions, the educated class of the rising middle-class based on the Industrial Revolution, and the, you know, all that stuff. So, The poorest of the poor, they like the Kings just fine. Even though the King was mean to them and bad to them and bad to their way of life. And this is, this is not a US problem. Now this is an internal thing that happens and God knows what What do you think is going to happen in 2022? Greg, I mean, with all these voter suppression laws that are going on, you know, the dollar tweeted that, you know, that God. Or could have been done with slow, I think. But he was just like, you know, it was Darwin's while he like, he, he was just saying it isn't going to even, you know, what we could do all we want. But if we do, I change these voter suppression laws or get them overturned, we don't have a chance in 2022 or 2024. I don't know, I like to think. I don't think, I think. Oh no. I mean I think that Biden and the Democrats are aware of this. They know they have to get that HR One past You know, they're working at getting around to filibuster, I don't know what they're ultimately going to do. I don't know enough about that. I you know the Parliamentary procedure stuff is so strange to me that it makes no sense. I don't know if manchin can be reasoned with or Cinema or anybody else, I just don't know but yes, we need to change the laws but the other thing we can only thing we can do is just show out and turn out and big numbers. You know, that's the thing and the Senate races, I don't know who's up in the Senate, but, you know, they look at and, you know, we have a very good chance to sneak have, you know, a, a bigger majority in the South. But yeah, I would like to think that's what's going to happen because look what's happening. Now is Biden's been president for not quite six months so we have another month and half until the election, the midterm elections. Things are looking good. I mean even a year and half her down and obviously anything that happened. But you're going to have assuming they can pass. This infrastructure Bill between the rescue Act and the infrastructure off fruits of all of the stuff are going to be happening and the fact that now the pandemic is coming to a close at least, you know, knock wood. We can walk around with that mass. We can hear each state, New York and the supermarket without a mask on. If I want, I wear one, but I can go over that one. So, you know, these things are slowly fading and that's only going to be good for the economy as you saw John, as you first thought savagely, buy your AMC stock. I know Oh, they had a lot of this one. Greg, I also bought Ford and and and GM. And then when I'm driving to work today, I hear on the news that, you know, home more plants are opening. So now, you know, have more inventory, so they both went up to them, like, get the Geniuses back, the boys, your age, you know, you're hooked on a feeling know it's good, but you have all the stuff happening, I just think the economy is going to do well, I mean, how can it not we have right now. It's very easy. If you're a kid in high school to go get a job because there's jobs that everybody's hiring all of you restaurants or, you know, it's the jobs report just came out. Did you see that? It's the, I mean unemployment unemployment just came out. It's the lowest since depend emack. Yeah, so this is this is stuff that isn't going to go away tomorrow. This is just going to keep going wage. Again in a year and half are people going to be mad about this. They're going to be like I think you know I think by you know, the 54% of fox viewers like biting just fine as you pointed out. So that's a good sign to assuming that you know he's with us in 2022 and everything's you know cruising along is it as we hope that it will be wage but God knows anything that happened between now and then the UFOs might come. They're here. Well, if they're going to come to better customers, they better come on under a Democratic president. That's for damn sure. Because, you know, I can you imagine if they came under Trump oh, you are very. They know better than to do that. Yeah. Yes. And they are a smart erase. I think they will, you know, I think they were like this guy's ass. Do, you know? Let's wait till the next guy but they are, they are released and all those UFO, you know, all the videos now are becoming Declassified and I think we're coming down. During close at the contact. I don't know. Call me crazy. I don't know. You know. You know, they're here Greg, you know, I always look at UFOs. I don't know, you know, this was a joke that I used to do or yeah, I don't do it that often but I always equip since, you know, aliens are way smarter than we are and that's the only way they could fly light years and, you know, and I mean they they have technology that we just don't have them. Okay, so now let's let's go with the premise. That aliens are way smarter than us. So I equate you opposed to like, you know, when you have a cat and you have those little lights that you put on the wall and then the cats and the cats starts going on the wall and, and keeps on smacking that red light bulb. And then you, and then you set it off and attached, like what the hell happened? Like, I think aliens are pointing playing with us, you oppose. They just like, put some, your bones and we're all dead and that is this appears it? Maybe I just, you know, we're are them if they're really hear them. Where our then, why haven't, why hasn't anybody actually seen one? You know, I don't Well, you you can't be so egocentric that. You think that were the only ones in the universe know? We're obviously not, but like, why would anybody come here? I mean, wage. Well, it's like Alien Ant Farm you, you know, we're like a farm, you know, that, you know, they just kind of like, or they want to help us. I mean, I don't know. I mean, you would think they want to help wage has, you know, judging by our Republican party. We need all the help that we can get where we live this coming to watch the Yankees. I don't know. So Greg, you know, I know you have to go it, you know, correct. I want to go. Yeah, I'm running out of gas anyway, can you tell em, you know, but it's okay. But listen, I'm coming there. You're in New York correct. I am in New York and your Manhattan. Well, I'm Upstate. All right. Well I'm coming there. June, 16th of June 30th. If you want to get together in person and grab a few beers. I'm down I'm definitely come down to you. All right brother. Well you know and get it and plug anything that you want off? Well, I've got my, I've got my sub stack which is just go to my website, Greg all e r, g r e, g o, l e a r. Please sign up, subscribe. I write stuff to Thursday, Friday, and Sunday and I have a podcast that comes out every Friday which Friday being tomorrow and I have a really good guests tomorrow. Leah McGrath Goodman is on, and we talk about a lot about the I log. Jersey again, and the texture stuff and listened shorty. One as a good joke, Greg. If aliens came up and said, take me to our leader GOP members would take them too long. Yeah, that'd be true. It is what I'll listen man. Thank you so much. I mean you know you know for being you know so kind to come on the show when I'm like all these cancellations, I was like, oh my God, what the hell am I going to do? I don't know. It's it's right place. This is a lot of fun. Thanks for having me, I appreciate it. All right man. And so let's look up in New York, okay? Oh yeah. 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Is a record year for teen knife deaths in London inevitable?

The Leader

09:35 min | 3 months ago

Is a record year for teen knife deaths in London inevitable?

"From the evening standard in london. I'm david mawson. This is the leader code. My mom and i said mom. The wayne's been stopped on no back in april. This crime stoppers campaign launched as the met police recognized knife. Crime in london is on the rise again. She didn't see. I saw his hand was just hanging solo lifeless when i saw the new was gonna be kit when allen to july the city is in twenty two of his teenagers meet violent death. Twenty of them were stopped. The worst year ever for young death in london was two thousand eight when twenty-nine will record it campaign is fear. This year will inevitably pass that using standards investigations at david coons been looking into the problem and you can read his work in the newspaper and online. He's with now and david fromm your research. Do we know why knife crime is rising to that end. I spoke to about a dozen what they called detached youth threat these all young people on the front line. Where can with them with with us. Who are vulnerable disadvantaged us so the first thing they said to us is during lockdown. The beefs the feuds never went away they just went online and they got banished online and went in london opened up and people who had been enemies online bumped into each other so each other on the street. Things got Seemed to go worse than ever. I mean they talked about a perfect storm. Because we've got a combination of new factors and then the old Fulltime said would present before often digital steady and these coalescing to produce a toxic package. And so what you have is Delays to to mental health services young people seeking mental health supports announce face eight months delays position. A new problem. David having been lots of initiatives to try and bring knife crime down. In london and elsewhere the government have been commanded. They saved up a two hundred million youth endowment fund to put into organizations texting violent crime. That's over ten years. I have this has to be set against the fact that in the lost ten years or so seven hundred fifty youth simpson's of Close because of stuff. Starvation of government and local authority funding all the government. The other ninety percent has gone into the national citizen service. Which was a tory flagship project. Which many targets children who on not on free school meals and so a tiny percentage of the whole budget. The youth budgets went to charities texting vulnerable youths on the front line and all these with these youth centers and boxing clubs closing. There was a reduction of safe spaces for young people to go into. But what about the policing response david. So we've had police cuts and sometimes in most cases. The cuts have fallen on safer neighbourhood teams and school offices attached to schools and of course needs the offices Who do the social glue. You do the positive community relations and for which police officers very seldom if ever get commendations. Posted commended for arrests said and things like that as well. They should not. Nobody is saying everybody's recognizing what a tough job the police have but also saying that In a you cannot stop and search your way out of this and for every ten stop and searches may be successful which means you've further alienated eight people and young black people nineteen times as likely to be stopped and searched as a young white best and something else. You've been campaigning on. Recently is the relationship between exclusions pupils being taken out of classroom environments and knife crime is that also adding to this problem. The seventy percent rise in permanent exclusions has been linked to rising knife. Crime and young people being groomed into county line gangs so one of these youth is said so frightening one youngest networking with what successfully had a lot of problems but within six months of being suited they were dead and so had gone from situation difficult but with promise to a teenager and each each of these did teenagers is is is not only. It's a huge tragedy of course for the family but it's a stain on out capital of in. It used to be that when damilola taylor was killed at twenty one audio's ago. This was front page news. Now we've had twenty two young people killed on the streets of london. It's not longer front page news every time today. The front page news is that a seven year old brought a knife into school. And what's what's so upsetting about. Is that the charity that was called in by the head teacher to provide mentoring for the seven year old. Who said he wanted to stab another young kid the after school club. This charity gold lives not nice. Say that they have been cooled by at least two or three head teaches a month Asking them to come and deal with a major knife incidents that involved children as young as seven and eight. We've had twenty two teenagers. Suffer violent deaths. Twenty of them through stabbings. Is this going to be another record year for. All young people being nodded so we haven't even begun in the summer. This is traditionally the west time for youth finance hence the worry that we could be facing the worst year since records began but obviously we hope we don't get the but that is the concern so if we ought to stop us having this wreckage of what has to happen immediately them. That's a difficult one. I mean the the solutions kelly flow from the diet that the diagnosis of the problems and one of the things that was said to me which i thought makes a lot of sense. Is that just like young people. Get sex education's school so we now probably need to start introducing education about youth finance For a seven or eight year old to bring a knife into school. They clearly don't really understand the consequences and for them the warriors that by the time they are in their early teens they get desensitized. I have to say that. That story of the seventy eight year old coming into schools is possibly not a a as a situation that currently exists throughout london there are some barriers that are west than others. But what what. I am hearing. That is that throughout london. It has got younger and younger. And it's young teens. Ah thirteen and fourteen at most address and in one of the things that i just cannot understand is how the government puts ninety percent of its funding into the national citizen service which does a three weeks. I'm a program. That's three weeks with mainly middle and low income families. I think about in less than twenty percent will of them will be on. Fri spook meals and ten percents of the budget is going to the charities that ready tackle the really hard to reach kids now. That is giving a message to those kids. Your lives doesn't matter. And if children feel there is no hope and they live and matter what young what. Youth work is all saying. Is that if they're if they feel there is no hope. They act with more recklessness. In the present so we've got to give them a sense of a future if we want to protect present. You can read more from. David's investigation in the newspaper added standard yokota uk. And that's lead a podcast by tomato at four. pm a different future starts with you. That's why go daddy does more than help you find a name. You can create cell and get found online so any small business could be a driving force to create change or building empire. We know old ideas are cutting anymore. 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TechFan Podcast 458 - Billionaires Club

TechFan

58:00 min | 3 months ago

TechFan Podcast 458 - Billionaires Club

"You're listening to another great podcast. And the my mac podcasting network podcast number. Four hundred fifty eight. I am tim. Robertson joined by david cohen. Hello david hello. How are you pretty. Good it's a typical summer night here in britain which means warm but ivankov skies sponsor right. That's what it is here right now. Actually so yeah it's I know the west coast is Currently on fire tat tat tut. Yeah i saw the story yesterday that it got so hot in some part of canada that it literally cooked Clams well while clams in the wolves and the water cooked. That's crazy. yeah but you know. Climate change isn't real so nothing. It's this is this an outlying disa- coincidence that we've had the hottest summer every year than the previous year and some getting an outline every in every year it's just weird. I mean it's a coincidence. Yeah exactly nothing today with them. They might not to do. Those could be. Today was leo's i personally think it's the monkeys. Those monkeys are evil. Yeah i will pretty much ol- monkeys don't i don't i don't like monkeys ni- no think a little creatures i really do. I don't like them at all. But we're all mum case. Well this statements. Yes i think most jobs would be a lot better for than for the damn people that said nutri. That's one that's you haven't experiences but one one of one of the joys of Of curved isolation was that you interact directly far fewer people in in some respects. it was very positive scenario. You know. I say that. I joke around but i actually like people. I'm i'm actually a pretty social person. I'm actually I'm i'm really good with people putting complete strangers. I have no problem going up to a complete stranger in starting a conversation and talking to them and my wife though is the exact opposite. Yeah invert. I'm i'm way i'm more with julie. I'm in infants. Saba guy more than invalid. Probably missing thrive in i. No i have no problem. I'll i'll go right up. And maybe that's why i'm good at sales. Yeah well i would imagine. I don't i don't have any problem at all going up and just hey how you doing you know. Says it said well. Yeah i would say it's probably the m the core of your success in sales is 'cause you gotta to speed them that you've got to you know i could speak strangers and they will probably leave very quickly build up a ripple with them which is not something. I'm good at to be fair though you can go to someone you know really well. They'll just walk away to. Yeah there's that there is that obviously isn't he now. I there's a new Person at work that actually hired two women sales people one has had about a year of experience and she got up running pretty quickly. The other one just started. I think wednesday or tuesday and she is shadowed. She shouted at me all day yesterday. And unfortunately well let's say she. It's the type of training she needs. And it's not a formal thing you know no one said. Hey you know. Follow tim around or But somehow some way when someone new starts in sales they tend to follow me around. It's that's how it is so she says to me at the end of the day yesterday. I've learned more from you today than the whole week before. Well you probably around. Yeah could see because she was doing liberties with me which means getting in a car and showing people how to do stuff bishop seeing the entire sales process and going from customer to customer at the same time. And you know it gets busy on saturday. So it's always funny. She says you're really good with people i said. Well that's kind of what the job is so it is interesting. You say that. Because i didn't tell my finished cal sharon i'm in in britain. They just have this thing. Where like you know with the customers and new you approached me. I'm with a customer. I'll get back to you shortly and obviously very often. Don't or if they do a long time. And i've always thought one would you say that. No why would you why. We decided on the arm busy. Leave me line. no it's offensive. While they're saying i don't know what you want but this person i'm talking to probably isn't a buyer but i'm going to spend the next hour with them trying to convince them otherwise No i am very good with multiple customers. And even if i have a A customer that. I know want one hundred percent of my time and they don't appreciate talking to other people. I'm usually pretty good at it. Kind of setting him straight. No but you got to be able to read people extremely quickly and know what tactic to take when it comes to putting them on. Hold for a minute. Yep and I'm pretty good at anyways. Let's get back to some techy stuff here. what's going on with you because i haven't really done anything with any kind of new tech. I mean the closest. I've come is Coal my son. Put these Super mario brothers stickers on my hp laptop. That's no. I take that back. I got a pair of headphones I had a pair of bluetooth nakamachi headphones that was kind of regulated too. When i mow the lawn and do yard work. I put these on and Into my stuff and they these are the ones way. Some of these taking the nutca- meet name. No no it is not gonna meet you. It's the same company. Yeah there anymore. Yeah okay. But i will say this. I was always impressed with the sound quality and at the time they were like seventy five dollars headphones they didn't have active noise cancellation or anything like that. But they sounded pretty dang. good. I was never. I never wore them and thought man. I wish i was wearing my ak. Jeez or something. Yeah so those. The last time i Modal on a week and half ago I took him off. And i noticed that all these little black flakes all over my ears and shoulders so the pads. We're just disintegrating which they do which they do especially when you wearing them. When you're outside and sweating and stuff. And i tried i. I was looking online to see. If i can find just you know replacement cups forum and not that i couldn't find anything so i jumped on amazon You know because. I get that free stuff from amazon. All the time for review and there they always have bluetooth headphones and i didn't want in ear ones because i do like the over the ear headphones better and i found this thing. Pair and V x va and they're fifty dollar headphones they have actual active noise cancellation bluetooth They're really easy to pair. They're somewhat light. They're somewhat comfortable on your head. They don't feel cheap when you're wearing them and the the noise cancellation. I'm gonna say is probably eighty percent effective so they're not. The best noise cancellation headphones. I've ever worn but they're fifty dollar headphones so fine. When you're mowing the lawn you just need it to maybe cut that down quite a bit and then the music playing will do the rest of it. But the audio quality yeah. It's not not sounds muddy the whole time. There's no dynamic range at all i mean they. They're they're pretty pissed. Poor to be honest and that's disappointing. Because when you. I was looking forward to getting. These are going to be the replacement from knock amichis and i thought crap now. I don't have another pair of wireless headphones that i could wear. I forgot all about the really nice. Sony's that i have so the sony's have been regulated two yard work and i don't know what i'll use these cheapies for but the sony said do not believe has noise cancellation. So i'll say yeah on noise cancellation is nice when you takes only like lawn mowing because it's running you know i. It does a good job of getting rid of that. And you know at the at the prices you talking about. On the quite law of units. Now that have noise cancellation in. And they'll kind of middling exorbitant get anything that sounds like bo's all a high end apple or anything like that which she makes it sound like your room. You know you're in silent room. You're going to get something good skin. This tight yet really. Yeah and quite honestly fifty dollars. Maybe my expectations were set too high. But you know when. I'm writing my review which are already done I can't ignore the crappy audio quality of them. I mean if you're going to. I don't care how good the noise cancellation is or the comfort or the field or the bill quality that all takes a back seat to audio quality that lying them. That's right yeah and so i. I gave him Two out of five on amazon. Which i you know. I hate when i have to give a product data review. I really do back in the day when i was writing. You know five or six reviews every single month from anything from software hardware. I never wanted to write a negative review. I never. I always wanted a product to be great. I i really did. People don't understand that but when you're trying something new for the first time putting your expectations aside you really do want it to be great. You wanna be able to tell people. Hey this is the real deal. This is something you should definitely check out. It's yeah it's does this and it does that. Oh it's just fantastic thing and when you gotta right well you get what you pay well here on the plus side. it's inexpensive. Yeah so you know. That's that's also paul. The problem at this they send to the market ahead finds his that. Actually fifty dollars is not inexpensive pan because you can get headphones for half that money. Yeah and then the question is is is is the is the change in is any change in quality from a twenty five dollars versus a fifty dollar worth one hundred percent. A hundred percent better And the answer is normally now. You got two hundred fifty bucks higher. Yeah if you wanna really really get better. And i suppose people overseas the gun buy new stuff on amazon nowadays but said people forget you can go second hand and you can get something that was lost as well. Maybe these before top high in mobile for a lot less money if you don't mind getting something used bro The apple wireless for her birthday on wednesday. The apple wireless the apples. Yeah airports not the airport pro. She got pod and She also is mostly because of me. Because i've i've i even put these Bluetooth headphones on her. And that got her opinion. She agreed with me. One hundred percent But she really likes the air pods. She really is impressed with the audio quality now. She has a pair of over the head over the ear headphones. That cost a couple hundred bucks that she's had for a few years now they look a little beat up but she says the fit comfortably and they sell. It still sounds good. And i asked her. I said you know which ones do you like better. And it was a really hard decision and she says she thinks about even right now but she's kind of leading towards apple product. So the here's the thing though these my computer and julie's phone keeps picking them up like oh i'll start using. Yeah you know what i was just about to say. I've apples prior. And i'm starting to get annoyed with them With with my set. What it is is that i can go. I tend to most of the most of the time nowadays because going out away from home very much. Most of the time nowadays with went to walk the dog I mean as soon as i leave the house on a podcast. While i'm walking the dog and then i might have one in while. I'm kind of doing the dishwasher or something in in the house when somebody else there so that i'm not disturbing them while i'm gonna say something one. I've noticed when i walking the dog. I walk out and the same point by walked back to my house. They cut out every single day and actually in the last couple of days the they've come out A couple of other times as well. And i and i wanted what it is like my phone. My phone is actually stopped playing. So i think they're sending a stop signal to my phone to tell it to stop playing by donna. What's causing that. And it's really kind of annoying me because the airports primary expensive hair headphones. Yeah and you know what i have. All the pairs of any headphones that modelled on the same type. I have I've jam repair. Which don't have noise canceling. I have a panasonic pair that i bought for fifty pounds. That actually have better noise canceling than the airports An an in most other respects apart from the integration with an apple phone there see periods of the airports and they don't do any of this stuff and yet the airports because of all the clever taking them a doing something that this kind of radio annoying with hers I call it. I haven't said this to her but her her the only way i can describe as their permit skuas these headphones because they're trying to mate with every other fricken iphone and mac that it comes across. Oh hey how you doing there. Mr mac but she but she's not in a different cloud account ta no now. I will not be whining because because apple has this mode where they constantly trying to join to the nearest device. Assuming that that's the one you might wanna years so that i think the solution would be to put her final the different cloud account. Yeah well that's something that. I've been looking into the problem with doing that. I set up a family account now. And that's what kills on and we did that simply because Brooke julian is iphones. I'll have the exactly the same contacts with just kind of annoying. So if i changed something or brook going there and give someone nickname. It shows up my phone With the family plan you know you can use all the same apps and stuff like that. And i restricted. Kohl's that if he wants to download anything from the app store he has to have permissions for me. Yeah yeah my kid's essay up. So now i should tend to alexander because he eighteen known each in between them in the well So that is something i need to look into. The problem is though i think brooks is so integrated into my account than it probably will screw up some of her settings and contacts and all that and i'm thinking about angie. I wonder if that's what's happening with my ipod spray because the place where i'm walking how aside the houses i come back from the walk would be where. I'm walking past the kitchen window and inside the kitchen normally is my pen. So what's happening looking paul. step it's going. Oh there's the those yup that's exactly what's happening but if he's doing that while i'm listening to something of my i find that's just cheater hundred percent while with it was only happening to julie's phone for a while there. I was talking to julia on the phone and all of a sudden brook. His got it in her headphones. And she's like dad. How you know what's going on. They joined mom's phone. I shouldn't happen for cut for a company that that's trading at the moment on on the super privacy features that's not good for features. So i she likes the auto quality and all that but yeah so can you. Unfair them from an accountant. I well i. I think what would happen is if you if you change. The i cloud account account on brooks fine and repair them then repaid than to brooks find than they would lock to to her account. We'll have to try that. Yeah but you know again. This is apple. I've no idea with the setting in there to turn off the ability to drop between different devices but being apple was a good chance. There isn't because they don't like putting settings they for some reason apple at the moment the stuff you need to use. They want to hide behind menus and non discoverable gestures and everything like that and then there's all the stuff that you want to use and they go yet when just not only do that. So this all comes and we've talked about this many times apple. Software quality is not great as nygren at all and I hope they start putting more emphasis on it. Yeah especially now. That they're making their own chips. You know they're integrated system on a chip and they control both all the hardware and software. At this point. The differentiation is going to be in the software and that's not their strong suit right now. Anyway let's move on What some some new tech gear that you picked up or playing with right while so You remember a few weeks ago. I did the whole android thing for a couple of weeks. And i got the nicer. I la risa. Find the folding fine and You recall. I said how much i enjoyed the folding fine. I thought it really is a concept. Really kind of echoed with me with something you said before. Which is you know. Modern phones now our boring. There's no innovation that one there. My elect series also decided start. Listen to me. Podcast shows up. Tend to off. Now he's gone conrad ring So i decided. I was going to spend the time bit time looking at ultimate ultimate phone factors for fines and i managed to get hold of a surfaced. You're bitter roy. I did and i will tell you really kind of love this thing. It's not it's not without flaws but again you know it's about the the full pfizer is really kinda cool now. This is from microsoft. But it is running android. Yeah exactly it's basically opens like a book rather than flip and says that metal hinge and the screen is not continuous. Which has always been to me. That makes more sense because when you put that folded screen in there. I don't care how great it is your. It's always going to be a full screen whether you notice it or subconsciously or not. It's there whereas if it's two separate screens to me that just makes more sense from an aesthetic bill quality everything. You could put way better screens on them. I and this is. This is the thing with the with the surfaced jira. Now i'm going to color this review with i would not have paid full price for this thing i paid about it costs normally for somebody had had it for two weeks and decided they didn't like it And you know. It's been well reported on the web. The ashley their fire sales of this device going on the moment if you go to wu dot com you can only pick them up for four five hundred dollars and for those for that sort money. These things are a steel. They when they came out they had a loss of glitches. And they're still occasional bigly gene. The nowhere near as bad as they were But i think you know glitches to the point. You probably wouldn't want to have this as your main phone. But i think as a secondary device particularly somebody who works in the microsoft ecosystem. These are brilliant absolutely brilliant. So bill qualities excellent The only i think the only build floor. I've discovered in the i read this online to me is that is so thin that the usb port can plastic around the usb port can crack review kind of use it with the cable plugged in So but the way round that is to get one of the you get these kind of maxine lifestyle usb cables nowadays And so i just put one of those in. So i've got little magnetic connector. And then when i want to charge just kinda flush mounted choose a little bit because it's actually an a little notch underneath the bumper. That comes with the phone. It doesn't stick out tools Yet the bill close great is incredibly thin. It has to really high quality screens and the screens are. There are four by three ratio rather than the sixteen by nine or sixty time. We have on many on smartphones. And that's actually really nice because they're that little bit wider That means you get a little easier to use but the true advantage of the gio is when you have an open like a book It effectively multi tasks across the two screens so for instance you go into outlook dot com or the outlook app. Then it works kind of lucky dozen the ipad way. Have you listened messages on one and then the actual messages on the other He if you if you you can have outlook and just one screen and then opened a completely different apple and the other and the way they actually do the multitasking. And i think this is not mark soft. I think this bill into android now Is so much better than it is on the ipad. Even those willing to find where. I'm it's super simple to switch between apps you can even set up little on the In the monks soft launch little at groups you can have basically click an icon us our want these two out so i from one side and the other all the time and so you just click on that and base. You have outlook on one side. And maybe Cow yeah exactly and you can actually create icons that do that But as a super simple to move and that from one santiago to slide over and it moves and then you get the launch on the side out another app if you want the app to spam both screens you just slide it over towards the hinge and then get a little indicator that shows is can to go both screens and what's great about. It is when it's open like that is suppose you're you're reading Twitter or something with which lists style facebook. What you can do is even if the app doesn't support recognizing it's running on two screens. You can spend it in the middle and then turn the phone sideways. So that the hinge is in the middle of the screen and that basically it works like a big tablet and you can just scroll up and down. It really really cool. Do you think about apple. Came out with something like this would be popular. I'll tell you why apple came out with something like on the iphone. Our buying a heartbeat. A really really. Would you know it just works really well. You can also setup intent mode and use it like a mini tablet. You can fold it up. So that You've got your apple musab screen and then the bossom screens the keyboard. So you can come to type on it long committing tablet and you can fold it right back. So you've only got one screen active On connie use it as a single screen device and then if you want a different apple on the screen turnover and double tap screens him to bring it to life and then you have a different apple man. He's really really good. The phone only show up on one screen and not the other. Or can you set that up the pro- What the actual phone app here I don't know to be on this. Because i don't because it's secretary device don't make many calls on i kind of trying to out You know so so. I don't know i. I suspect the earphone and the speaker and the mike fund running one side. Say probably condu- that. Yeah that's that would be my guess as well to be honest with you because you've got to because there's no screens on the outside so you if you get coal. You need to open it and folder. The out Is actually better. If you if you're gonna use it for fun calls using it with bluetooth and a headset rather than You know it is obvious. They was designed mainly as a secondary kind of differing tablet style mini tablet device role as appear phone because i think he a pure phone like the samsung folds. It would have a screen on the outside so that you could actually do cool stuff without having to open up the it. does that. The the samsung folds do that so to me. I think what happened with this. Is that much to change the pitch of their direction when they actually launched it. Originally it was never intended to be a final votes I've never seen one in the wild. No well this is why they they going for them on ebay for some of them for fifteen unlocked. Yeah exactly kill suspended. Do so what we're gonna listen to. Vicious dog obviously would kill anyone who came to close and It's probably a bill collector as you guys know he buys all this tack on credit. He gets the money from loan sharks and it's probably does my guess it's alone chart coming to collect. That's that's my guess. That's how he afforded this Microsoft dual so. We'll find out if he comes back and he sounds like he's missing you to whereas a broken arm kids when you bring a case with the aim it goes. I did once you bring the belleville tonight. Yep that sounds about right i. I was guessing with the listeners. That it's you know the only way you really can afford all this tax stuff is that you are been borrowing money from a loan shark and its probably own chart coming to collect now is been by this time quick so i had some free cash to expand. The thing is is the. I buy stuff in kate stuff. Ally can sell on stuff. I near the selling stuff. I don't is my problem. Well yeah. I have been working through that recently. I'll have been selling stuff site. I am still waiting. By the way for my sequoia to get a brand new dash wiring. Kit installed the supposed to help in this coming week. That's disappointing. Did i tell you that that's the problem. And i. we know we because we had a conversation about a couple of weeks ago and he said you you said you were looking into it on. Didn't know whether or not you pin that down. Yeah so i didn't. Didn't you have a show or something new. That's right so what happened. Was we find we. We discovered the problem if you will. The problem is This goes back to when. I first got it. And i installed identify paid to To be clear A sub wolfer in the back and a subway for you run Number one great big thick power cable to that goes directly to the battery which means that the sub offer and the amplifier always has power. Which you can't because we can totally hear everybody in the background right now. David hold on the second on recruiting power to the battery The south is gonna have power the entire time. And you can't do that it will. It's it's an amplifier. It's going to be drawing constant power whether you're you know making music at that time or not To other wires going to it is audio. You have to have audio so it knows when to produce the base and the last wire is a very thin wire that you know you usually run like you know underneath Your carpeting or something like that and it goes back to the back of the radio for an on off switch. What that wire does is. It tells the emp. Hey i just turned on. Go ahead and power up that way. The amplifier several for isn't constantly polling power from the battery. It's only active when the radio is right. What happened was that wire that thin wire somehow the guy that installed it used the thinnest wire he could possibly get. Which in this case was a bad idea and it's a bad idea anyways. Don't use the cheapest then wire on a situation like this. It grounded into the battery there into the body of the vehicle and that caused a short into my Dashboard in literally half melted. A whole bunch of wires now. If it was the wires on the radio itself no big deal. I just replaced the the radio. And we're gonna go. It didn't do that. It melted a lot of the wires in the harness. The vehicle harness so the the giant bundle of wires that you can probably imagine as behind everybody's dash. That's the problem so let me ask you something. Because you've you've fiddle quite a lot with the in audio systems your comes. Do you still think he's worth it over over just taking over the the stock system is and then plugging in you know. You can use external adapters. You can use wireless things you can use even type adapter something like that to connect your devices the car you know some people will put a template up on them on amount is either because they have senlis or things to call play in terms of mapping and and song selection that sort of stuff without having to go into the warring of the car. So we'd your experiences and all this a recognize. This might be called up on the fact that you work in motoring Do you think is worthwhile doing this. So difficult with because it sounds to me like you've have problems with your own installations and also with the quality of the installations. Some of the contracts you to do this. have you know. Many people particularly those of us. Who are we getting this age when we just die me bothered. Oh i don't want to deal with it you know. Just we'll just think you know under gonna stick with the stock system and hopefully decent car as a decent system in it so you. You still think it's worthwhile it all depends. It's a per use case if your car everything is going through the infotainment system. If you will get there is no option to upgrade that it is what it is. That's you're stuck with that forever. Yeah mine two thousand and seven. Even though a lot of the stuff was going through It wasn't Directly connected to any of the actual operation of the vehicle itself. So my you know my heating and cooling wasn't going through that system my yet none of that was Navigation was the amplifiers that were built into the vehicle. Was you know the speakers. Yeah that was but that you can get adapters to connect a new system so if it's an older vehicle yes it's one hundred percent worth that especially if you're an audio file upgrading. To a better head unit better speakers assab and amplification of the music itself. I don't i'm not talking about necessarily making it. A blasting loud just fuller audio quality. It's one hundred percent worth it. It's night and day if you have more of a modern car where that kind of stuff happens. Yeah then you're looking at adapters. You're looking at a usb plugged that you can plug in and give yourself Wireless carplay yeah. I mean mine doesn't have anything looks remotely like a head unit in it and you're right you know. Everything is the street homes. Yeah the screen that comes with it. It doesn't control the The the erin cooling system. But it's all displayed on there. There's no way you could is very difficult to understand how he could replace anything like that without going into in replacing seki polls and that sort of thing so it's A pretty major job to replace all the wiring harness. That's in the vehicle you know. They got to replace. Are they gotta remove entire dashboard in the parts. Department informed me that it's a product that toyota no longer makes so they can't source an oem version of this And they couldn't find any they had found one that match because mine is a pretty unique sequoia. It's the luxury package with air ride suspension. A high end audio. Jbl system and navigation. I mean it's they don't they didn't make a whole lot of these there. It's the top end. You can't get us equate with more stuff on the mind but they had found one but the only way this person would sell. It is the entire dashboard yet and So they hit quoted me. You know the parts and labor to do it all about fifteen hundred dollars and that's with employee discount. Yeah which isn't inexpensive. But it's not five thousand dollars either So i had given him the go ahead and then that deal fell through. They they whoever they are trying to get it from. I don't know what happened. It didn't happen yeah And then they said they can't find one so then the option is i'm going to have to replace every wire in the dash by hand which isn't really an option. I mean i. I would be doing it for years. Yeah but i looked on ebay and lo and behold. I found one with a fuse. Box it's not the entire dash. That's just the wiring harness. And the fuse boxes there for eighty dollars. Hey you show. This is the right one It's exactly the same. According to the listing with the exception of it didn't have the same head unit as mine does but i looked at the wiring and it is the same. Okay just put just hold on a minute. I'm going to need to deal with some of the six ten noise. No problem so that is going to be happening This week i hope There's one guy at work who i i don't want to say. He's a better mechanic than everybody else. That's probably not true but he does The hard cases the ones that take a creative streak to come up with solutions. That aren't necessarily the ones that you're going to find Emmanuel or the official way of doing this or hey this is this is the problem and if i go online i'm going to find you know five hundred other people that found the same problem and i'm just going to basically mimic what they did. And it's probably gonna fix this guy named cooper Is very good when it comes to Discovering what the actual problem is and the coming up with really clever solutions on how to fix. It is very rare. That cooper doesn't come up with the solution to something now remember. I had sent this to an outside company to see if they could figure out because we initially. When i talked to cooper about this he thought it was going to be one of the third party. Twelve volt solutions in the car. I e the head yet at the alarm system some the remote start something like that and it wasn't but that company pulled the radio out and disconnected all of that stuff and they didn't notice that the fricken wiring harness was melted. 'cause when cooper showed it to me it was like well shit. Yeah right there kind of an bright in your face. Obvious problem So that he's going to probably start working on that The end of the coming week. Which sucks because. I have friday off and then the following sunday and monday and that's kind of an issue with tonny barak. Can you barakaat. From what i remember when i was telling you about the no inventory problem Right so that veronica house right. So i could take a car overnight. That's not a problem. But i can't take a car and have it a couple of days because someone's going to want to buy it. I don't know we'll figure it out if Worst case scenario is julius. Gotta wake up early and drive to work in. Come back and pick me up. Yeah hello how far away is. It didn't quite why. Yeah it's thirty five miles one direction and i get there early. So she'll she'll appreciate that. Even if i if i just my wife that strive me under forty miles a day. Where back new no. It's it's thirty five miles one way. So it's well okay. I see what you're saying. See she'd have to go there and back twice still thinking itself. You know this Air conditioning running the house really nice right now. The roof overhead. That's kind of nice. How do we. How do we pay for other stuff again. Oh that's right that's right my job you know what even though logically keeping works you would say that no never what am i doing. Maybe to the kids that but not not one's wife partner. No yeah let's not be. Let's not be stuck in our particular selections here but yes once apartment. That's not a discussion. You wanna no not on any level any other new stuff that you picked up other than the dual. This have a look at the galaxy watching here so that was the other thing i did during my new talking. I need to go take care something as about okay. That was the other thing. I did during my android experiment because i want to have a small watch that went with my android fine so i picked up one of the more recent samsung galaxy watches and up until recently. I think they've just announced they're going to do some new shit with google up until recently some sun have been rising their own operating system for their watches called tyson And this is a development of something. They bought off the market. I think So it's quite interesting because Effectively it's now. Nobody with any sense is using the ghoul one at the moment because you know typical google they kind of released it and they're never developed it so it's about four five years old at this point And is not terribly fit for purpose. Most of their watches as well. The egg google branded watchdog aware. I think his lightest brand They have radio chipsets in them. So it wasn't worth looking at one of those so i went to the samsung one. This is the galaxy way there on the galaxy. Sorry the galaxy watch their on the galaxy. Watch three at the moment but actually there will veg identical in inside so there's not much different in them apart from the full factor And Yeah it was it was. It was okay. The problem with with being a samsung s. Is those not huge amount of apps available for the for the watch so some of the things that you want to do with it. The easter doing on on apple watch. She can't do because the the apps don't have a compatibility so ing at spotify there but you can't you know you on my podcast. That lot used Wouldn't support watch directly under android. So i i think i could play him pulls the the The podcast by couldn't answer you kind of select podcast regulate like kinda my apple. Watch too small for me to do that kind of stuff. I've tried but yeah. I do it quite law. Particularly when i'm driving is is the advice. My watch t to drive cost. Figures are just too big but see i also use reading glasses david then if i'm driving i can't be a putting on my reading glasses to look at this tiny little screen. Mary rest yeah. Yeah well you know different things for different people. It was lot stuff. I don't do my watch due to control. Bits and pieces so i didn't have as much control because the what the apps available ties and for many of these many of the things i would normally do all the basics of their The great thing you get your messages. Obviously you can't necessarily reply to them all or anything like that if your of your if you have gone app available so the basics of there but but once you get on that struggles there's samsung. What is a really really great for fitness. They have the same soul features. The apple watch is in the heart monitoring. Gee that's all stuff the pulse ox stuff. Is there if you get the latest ones and one of the great things that the samsung watches have going for them for. What she's done is is first of all around. Which i while i want the i think. What four factor and everything is great. It's still a bit with the square because they my mom watches generally around so the fact is around is great. The second thing is one of the control. Interfaces is a ring that is kind of like a basil ring that goes around the screen and that his brilliant so much better than the district crown on the apple. Watch a really really good and the touch sensitive is really good as well. You can swipe very easily back and forth between your apps and that's all thing one thing that samsung watches have going for them. The apple doesn't is the you can have custom Watch faces that something. I wish apple would in real. Because i see some every now and then i'll see an advertisement for an apple watch. Ooh what the hell watch faces. That it doesn't exist frigate photoshop get your cost. I hate this. So i now is it i can. I can come sympathize in apple's core somewhat because it is a double edged sword. The vast majority of the watch faces available for the simpson watches accomplish. They looked arable. They're clearly designed by people that don't know the first thing about design so a huge amount of them are really really ropy an awful and i think that's why apple doesn't let people do it because they don't want roy faces on their watch it but the thing is is that some of the faces do things that you can't do any other way and to be able to get custom. Face that does that is is really really great The the buying interface for all that is is adequate. Nothing more and one of the problems. You have with with the samsung ties. Watches that if you if you instill stock android phone. Like i did. I was on the razor. You have to install a whole lot of extra samsung apps to make it work. It's you know if you have a samsung phone. Those are obviously already bites into the phone and they work fine where you just perry up but there was a fair amount of work involved in getting the watch this up on the stock android phone because every time you went to seek the feature is all driven from particular samsung watch app and then you go there and then say right will now now. You need to go see play store and find this app and ninety. Goes the play store in seoul this other at a now. You need this steph services and it took took a while to get it working so it wasn't like a smoothie experience but i had to say that again. I didn't play a lot money for this watch. Because it wasn't brand new. He came to me. It was it was in immaculate condition. The battery life on the is better than the apple. Watch even though the phone. The screen stays on all the time is much better. But then it's a bigger chunk. You're watching the apple watch so that hasn't been my big hangup those i've seen some wash faces and some things that does that was kind of attractive but it looked so big. It's like to god's is like well it's like a diva's launch basically is model divers wash. Now they have a version that's But then that doesn't have this vessel ring and to me the buzzer ring is what you want. Otherwise you know you might as well. Just get fitness tracker. Really cause is what makes a huge difference. A lot of people were in. Those fitness trackers by the way a lot. Because that's what most people want. They don't really bullet about anything else. You just said it yourself. You said most of the time you find the what screen too small to do and useful on it. So if you want the fitness tracking which is what most people do want. Because you know that's really one of the monsters wearing a watch. Line that most of these modern fitness trackers. Now have the same sense as they can do the pulse ox they can do the blood the ekg and all the while if you buy hire 'em one so you get many of the same features but you not spending the same money known significantly cheaper yet. And as as i was saying i think when you while you're away The problem with google with google wear watches google where watches a garbage because they haven't been updated properly for years And then the samsung ones just explained limitations of that. If you're going to have a limited set of apps then i suspect a lot of people say we'll all go and buy something that's dedicated on fitness and not worry about the apps and i suspect a lot of people in the in the Android space do that rather than going by these these smart watches because they can pay pay less money and they they get in the the call set features. The most people are after so You know he was interesting. I'm as i said. I'm holding onto my android phone and i'm holding onto my smartwatch. So there will be occasions when us. I tell them since do this. Travel is switched to a different system So i'll i'll be doing that but Yeah it was interesting and and you know if you pick one up cheap and you've got an android phone in you you fancier small wants you don't have one and you not bothered about having something that looks like a big dive as watch on your wrist. Then i wouldn't not recommend this. Just think you need to go into it with the is ivan. I want to Before we wrap up here and this is called tech fan for reason. It's all about technology and stuff like that in to the biggest. Ceo's one of 'em of tech company one of them kind of a nut really Are are having a billionaire spat. And i find this so sad in so funny at the same time. And i don't have a horse in the race. Out of the way. But richard branson jeff bezos both flying into space this week and Jeff bezos was certain. He'd be the first person non astronaut into space and then all of a sudden. Here's galactic or virgin galactic sending their space plane up with richard branson nine days before jeff bezos goes and immediately the shade. Get starting to throw its well. They're only going this high in doesn't have these windows and there's no escape mechanism. It's like really really. That's that's in today's day and age of a global pandemic and people dying by the millions. poverty Climate change. this is. This is where you're spending your time and effort it is. It is concentrating first of all. I mean what you think. About richard branson and the stuff he's done over the years. I mean this is. This was very much a stick. It in bezos i moved. Oh no question about it. But that's he is. Richard branson's done so much more in his life than viso says even dreamed about doing. There's no he's actually branson. He's an adventure. he he does and does things. He's says this guy who runs a billion dollar corporation and you know and he's had a lot of failures he doesn't he's not afraid to take chances. I got a lot of respect. For richard branson lincoln and i think he's awesome. Yeah i completely agree. I mean i mean he did all these things a long time ago so you know younger. People may not realize but he was the first person to cross he will. He built a boat to do the false his crossing of the atlantic. Yep it was like a pow. It was like a big power bite and that sanca couplets at least once before before they succeeded in that he went around the world and balloon with steve fossett india and that was the first time that been done and again. I think they had a couple of tries to that before we got it right. Yeah this guy is not afraid. Afraid to put himself forward and you got to remember that. This space plane is the one that a few years ago Yeah they had an accident and one that was killed. He basically blew up disintegrated in midair because of a design failure so there is an l. There is a real element of risk. In what both of these guys do. But particularly i think in. Brian want branson's doing by the same token this flight was not planned to have him on it and he. It was obvious that in terms of publicity because publicity's really he's thinking he's always done this stuff because he wants to do it. He has the money but he knows it raises for publicity for the virgin brand so he saw an opportunity here to basically trump diesels need took. It and jeff is not happy. No yeah i think. I if i you know i it's hilarious. Yeah 'cause an blue origin at. She needs some brealey pulse. Cpr moment because they're getting their ass kicked by space accident they they haven't put any payloads into space yet. Zero their approach is much more conservative than space. X.'s fail fail. Fouls fail often approach. You know the the look do you think of Of elon musk. You can't argue that the approach. They've taken to space travel. And and building rockets is is the right one for doing for for doing efficiently yet. They've spent a of government money but they have fully working systems. In a fraction of the time it takes nassar putting together an infraction. Samis ain't blue origin to build those together. And these things are there so reliable. now that is almost routine. occasional spacex explosion. Well that's only new systems developing but the the falcon nine toyota is rock solid. They're sending stuff to the space station. Now that the chinese is basically they all the designs for using it themselves. That's shocker. Yeah where is it the as you say. Blue origin haven't launch anything in spicer toll yet so it i in some respects my basil for taking the risk because presumably there is a much higher of risk associated with what he's doing you know he's he's going on the i i is. It orbits all suborbital. I believe it several hundred hundred kilometers. Armourers yeah yeah which is or is it hundred hundred miles up one hundred kilometers right anyway. That's kind of part of the well. This this is even debatable. Listened part the spout with With virgin and but but they both shooting for what. Somebody accepts his the edge of space one yet. Us has always recognize eighty. Five community has always recognized a hundred but after some scientific papers come out in the last decade or so. The international community is actually saying. Actually eighty-five is probably correct Which makes more sense. I mean really. it's exactly one hundred. That's the kind of weird how that happened But no it's i get why i get. Why both people are doing what they're doing yet but come on to billionaires fighting diseases cock is bigger. I mean really. That's that's where we're at. And i'll be honest. Branson's cock is way bigger than bezos. Oh yeah he's got a lot. It's full and plump. And or sorry. Getting excited i know. Yeah your admiration for Richard branson is coming coming to me. And i'm not a richard branson fan if you will. I just have a lot of respect for him. And i don't have a lot of respect for jeff bezos. Because how many weeks have we had now. Where week after week after week. We hear about amazon employees and how miserable they are and how an olympic graham is firing them and they got a paean things because they just don't have time. Oh there's there's a there's a new one here in the uk that come out of the last couple of months which is apparently in essentially in the british warehouses. An awful lot of the stuff that gets returned is just basically thrown away destroyed. They have the huge palace and Conned of containers in the amazon warehouses on an awful lot. The stuff you know expensive stuff like laptops on. Tv's and things like that. They get returned they just they just basically crush them in destroy them and then put them into landfill rather than doing anything to try and resell them or anything like that. I presumably because it's cheaper i. I like amazon for the things that i can buy their. How quickly. I get it in this election. I but i hate buying there. Because they're turning into kind of a vile company and that starts at the top. I really does. Yeah if you if you have a go watch wally they you know they are they all. Yeah that's we thought. It was walmart at the time. It was that amazon amazon is the company that basically destroys the in while he was it. Savo something. i'm just waiting for them to start installing nets around window so their employees. Don't jump out of the windows like they do chinese factories to kill themselves. They can't take it anymore. That's crueler i'm trying to be funny. And i'm actually not now. So we'll see we'll see who Guests space i and also it doesn't dine the attempt so I wish both good look on. Lakum that respect yeah. I don't want anyone to die. Yeah but so with that. We're going to wrap up this episode of tech fan apologies for not going live last week. life got in the way. How basically my sleep. It was the fourth of july weekend. I was getting literally no sleep at all. I was so tired. I couldn't i couldn't function let alone do a podcast Next week of course is going to be the geeks pub We got two big things to talk about in the next geeks. Probably guy's gonna wanna tune into that is going to be the season finale of loki which has been brilliant. And i'm dying for this wednesday to come. So i can watch the last episode and then of course the black widow which david and i have both seen and we're gonna break that film down and talk about the good the bad and the ugly and there wasn't a whole lot. I know david sent me a tax. That was just a thumbs up. 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TechFan Podcast 461 - Huawei Wireless Series S

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TechFan Podcast 461 - Huawei Wireless Series S

"You're listening to another great podcast in the my neck podcasting network and it is time protect fan number four hundred and sixty one. I'm tim robertson. Joined by david cohen. All the way in manchester that is the united kingdom. Hello david hello. Good morning good morning and of course i'm in china. If you can't tell by my accent. I'll i'll we all in china really in some respects. Yeah so there's been a lot of stuff going on in the tech world but a lot of it just isn't all that interesting lately. I think legal of badmouthing and renting and don't do that. Why are you doing that. And we're not gonna do that. Yeah i mean. Companies weighing in on political matters which is nothing new taking websites down It's it's just been a crazy time attack. But i don't know none of it's really. Hey we need to talk about that on the show. Well some of eight. You kinda don't want to talk about because it's being talked about so much elsewhere gets boring after a while. All this is boring. It's just like there's not really much more to say. I mean. I think many of these many of these things that get debated and discussed online and in the tech person. Everything at a really condescend people and there's not much to say Of the toolkit just talk for the sake of talk You know and And some pay an an ecorse everything now is also infected with this partisanship that those infected so much of discussion and debate now where a lot of people are making their points. Not the basis of of the facts but on the basis of what they feel or how how it how it suits this side And and there's no point debating that because that is those things that people are refused to be changed medical decisions based on politics that the time for rationality is ended. Don't even talk about it. Yeah exactly and the other day. Start trying to get into a debate with me about Because i made the statement. That jesse was a certain positions on vaccination where irrational and they start trying. Well what about this and quoting things. Are you know quiting studies. And i said annoy. She's talking about this with the. Yeah because you you will pull whatever that is the standard argument technique now which is if anybody counters. One of your points you come up with something that counts as their place with something completely different and join them together whether it makes sense. Oh no i said said you've got your position you do you but you know you're you're the english now is doing that you do you think We're we apologize here in the. Us we May made us just. Maybe maybe i maybe To things like this. Maybe i get exposed to too much american stuff. That Interesting enough my daughter had her vaccination the other day. And she's twelve vega colds been vaccinated. He's thirteen for quite a while. Now that they hear they have not. They have not decided to vaccinate twelve to fifteen yet charlotte godley because we people my house all Amino deficient sire That's why she had but generally than having it. So here in the last two geeks pub and hope you guys are subscribe to that show as well and i still may in the future put you know a geeks pub or tech fan each feed just to kind of an advertising thing but that being said i talked about i got an xbox series s the disc lewis. It'd be careful. I say that The dick's disc list. See i say it and then i kind of The one that doesn't have a cd draw. Yeah and the least of the. It's it's not as powerful as the other one but you can't get the other one. I mean it's it's virtually impossible and still more powerful than the old experts ones and it's not even close because i had an xbox one and it was the powerful one of those but cole wanted us to go get a new controller because i only had one and we can't play to play games. He likes a lot to play games against me. And there's only so many split-screen games nowadays. Yeah you know. Probably more than there used to be. But that's not saying a lot. Yeah because they expect most people's play multiplayer each on their unconscious. Yeah exactly so. We went to best buy yesterday and actually kind of walked around the store and and looked for stuff to maybe by. The problem is when i want something i just go get it in quite honestly not a lot of things in tech in. The last few years have really excited me. You know. it's more evolution not revolution. Yup and i was even looking for a new case for my iphone. I've got An iphone twelve pro. The problem is I got the blue on so to julie. I got the blue apple leather case. Now my phone. Before this was the eight plus and i had the The red case on the phone was black. But i got the red case. It's it's leather. And when it was wearing it was looking really good. It looked better than when it was new york. I mean just you know leather supposed to do that. Not so much with this blue case this blue cases looking like shit i you know. I think that's probably because it's blue. I think blue is one of those colors. The die doesn't hold as well and yeah in the leather. And i've had blue led the stop before the when it weighs no soulful red red black brown stuff that that kinda looks great when his warm i am but anything else. I think you know. Because i've had green stuff before as one that looks terrible. When is when this worn out. It's So i was even looking for a case there for my iphone and we didn't i didn't find anything it was funny i went to I think it was best buy's website. It might have been amazon looking at the xbox series s. I hate saying like that. Just an aside. Hey before you move on having off deal. Discussion lost having done more research than i care to admit on xbox consoles yep yeah the naming conventions since three sixty i'll 'damas l. I've said that many show six there are five or six different models in the xbox one and the xbox series line when you casually reading trying to figure out which one is which is really really difficult. It's stupid it's just it's really stupid Not something just turned down. Here is probably your cat. I'm sure she can't something can't has gone into mischief mode. I heard i heard. I hit two yet was runner. The printers turned it on of cool. Said did when it did which is even more stupid. Took a hon you just all of a sudden the cast not even anywhere near the printer did somebody and print something no. I'm the only one awake right now. Yeah maybe self cleaning. But i still don't know white made that stupid willing to do it. does that. When that printer boots up stu it's a brothers. It works with Air print. So you can from your iphone Sitting in another room behind me. Yeah but who wants to prince. It's a tweet at you. Nobody's like yeah exactly it's when you've printed to it so you don't need the printed printed so i went and looked at these xbox controllers before we actually went because i was kinda curious on price in there anywhere from forty nine ninety nine to sixty five ninety nine right sixty four nine. I mean wow. That's similar for free controller. But i knew i wanted to get an official when i didn't wanna get a third party one. You know And i'll be honest with you. I think all through the main video. Game manufacturers nintendo Hold on what are you doing. Where are you shit. Listen here making noise this. We need to get together an open us ahead only cat and So all three video game manufacturers make extremely good controllers yep. I'm not sure. I don't think nintendo's as quite as good as microsoft or sony and i'm not sure if i like the xbox controller more than the. Ps three four or five because they're all very similar. Yeah but they both work extremely well all three do so. I knew i wanted to get an official xbox controller. If i'm gonna spend the money you know the to thirty dollar controller and a sixty dollar controller is huge I expect the sixty dollar controller to feel good and it does. It's it's got this grumpiness on the back. That's yet it smooth at the same time. It's gonna hurt explain and it came. The xbox came with a white one. So i wanna let cole pick out one he wanted. Yeah and i looked at him. I and they had this red camera one hundred percent. He's going to pick that one yet. We get there. Yup that's exactly and of course it's the most expensive one sixty nine. But that's okay. He was he's he was jazzed about. Is that one of these elite ones where you can take the no no those those one hundred and twenty bucks. Yeah i don't. I don't understand maybe if i had one i go okay. I get it. But i don't know i think those does ones around it. Pcp lots of mold everything. My sinuses were killing me right now. Yeah yeah ma ka clogged up the right side Since i feel like i'm breathing her so that was That was fun going out there and looking around and buying this and i was surprised. Cola kind of agreed with me. He was like there's really nothing there worth looking at yet. you want might so obviously. I've been coming occasionally to the us. I was head to a best. Buy over there. And i've noticed over the years. The best price increasingly become about think they have too much stuff. They've too many different types of stuff. That means everything has been kind of squashed down into small sections like for instance. You mentioned iphone cases. I find when you go and look at the case at best buy israeli disappointing because they have so few well. The funny thing is they do. They have like six lanes of ifa of cases. But there's so many different types of foams that each is only represented by few and it's like now wait a minute now. You know samsung apple at least here in the us is eighty percent of the market. Yeah why wouldn't you have. Eighty percent of your cases represent those brands and is said you'll find cases israel gene. So yeah and you're like nobody's buying these. What are you doing. yeah because yeah they. You'd expect those to be the one to know. They have the same same number of wa wa cases as their cases. It's just like a video game. I'll were both not really big kinda short and there was three of them but each one is dedicated to xbox sony and nintendo and You know. I didn't even look at the xbox games because there's no point. I don't have a desk drive in this thing so if i see one that i want. I'm going to have to download it. But i don't really need to buy any games because i've got a impulse. Yeah yeah so. I just download all kinds of games. So yeah so. I i did some After jumping to some fairly be conclusions in my discussion. With the last time i did. Some research found that. I can't do any of the things i would want to do. The xbox one st xbox series. As so i wouldn't be able to. There's no way for me to play any three sixty game on it. Even if i took the drive my on three sixty. I'd have to take it through an xbox one and even then the all the all the games now have oatmeal all the games that i have this games and therefore they would have to validate with the disc before they were play even in backward compatibility mode. And that's not going to happen on. Its even if i could migrate the drive in but a whole bunch of those games are accessible. Who game pass along. Yeah yeah the. Yeah but you don't know how many games. I have a law. The moment for the game because i have game pas so you need Series x them i would. I would need a series. Vote was going to do that. Which as you say. We combine them and I probably would not. we're having game. I probably would not be inclined to spring for the series x. Just for the the dissolute play those on so why not then then just get a series s. I probably will at some point. And but i'm not going to do it. Now because they downsizes series little gonna find tv spice for two hundred ninety nine bucks. I mean that's a hell of a deal. Sure is you know But i also my gaming pc and The playing so it it would just be another thing. And i'm ready to shine the downsides. Roll the upsides in the inside of the games that we played yesterday was Battlefront star wars battlefront. Yeah and We did head on. You know you're i. i think i was I think i was either. I think mall and darth vader couple different times and he was always obi-wan-kenobi from The young everyone and he won those games And then we did the co op. One would still split-screen one on top one on the bottom away i'm always on the bottom And occasionally because i'm old. I'll start looking at the top screaming. Why is it my guy doing going where i'm oh me. And my guy in the meantime circling intriguing shot That was fun. Because you know it's fifteen waves basically and you've got to hold off the storm troopers. Kill them off and I picked a different gun than cold. It and then tie fighter. Show up his gun was just not effective against tie. Fighter swooping down. ha but mine was right. He wasn't happy about that so the next time he died he picked next gun so he can blinds typewriters. He'd be he'd be sitting next to me. Go data's coming after me. You know that was fun and that what you meant to do with games different classes and you rely on your other guys to do his sitting right next to me You know telling me. He's going to go laughed. And you know. I'm saying all right. Now go right because you bring the typewriter right in front of me. I'll be able to blast it and he's it was great. It was a lot of fun. Those can only play for about twenty minutes. And then i have to stop for awhile. Those battlefront games have never really appealed to me. Because whenever i see them or try playing them it just seems to be. It's so obvious that yes won't but not as coyote is chaos p really without any purposely. It just seems to be rat. Light brandon chaos. Computer generated random. Kyle's those guys is running around shooting everywhere. But it doesn't seem to have any purpose to it and the and the regular battlefront games or you know the the non star wars one. Because i don't know who these characters are can't tell who's on whose team it's all star wars ones. It's it's very obvious but but also what was seems obvious in battlefront is. It's the the way the game plays is so obvious that basically all the intelligence is focused around where you are and everything else is conduct. Window-dressing economists sticks out like that It tries to make you think you're in the middle of a big battle and you just bits so obvious that the stuff going on. The background is completely irrelevant. And i just feel the it really takes me out the experience especially as well when you get five guys. All delfay to kind of wandering around the battlefield. It you know it. It just doesn't do it to me now. We'll have been paying stalls djeddai full and older. I started that game. And i got to the point where he's on the train. I haven't gone back to it all right okay. Well i played a little bit pulse. That and i think that's a great game I i read and to me. That's far more star. Wars battlefront is. Oh i agree with you. There's no question. Yeah it's it's really really fun. And i'm really really enjoying it. It's a little bit. I guess it's a little bit like uncharted or well. What's the other star. Wars game with the The before it's not force awakens. That's what i'm trying to say. But not all right. I a full false apprentice or don't doll fighters apprentice you. Have you played those. Yeah those i think are some of the best our worst games ever this year but full older as get into it and you get more jeddah palace pays plays very much like that as well. Yeah just haven't got back into it. I you know i. I don't know it's one of those things that like eventually. Play it again but full suddenly. I'll just play another couple of rounds of pacman you know. Get back to work Jump into some new stuff here. Okay is it hawaii yup who alway wa accused of pressuring us firms into installing a data back door But there's no evidence of data theft so far He you know i. I never very few things. I agreed with trump. But win he kind of put the squeeze on this company and started banning them you know. At first i was like. I don't know about that but the more i looked into hallway away what how are. We said huawei Hawaii whole highway who are way hawaii. Hawaii the leap banning. Just because you can company down tonight and let's face it. How can you chose the company's name you compliments. That's right damore. I've looked into this the more reports that i've read about this company from credible sources and this is just the latest gadget I don't know i. I don't think i do trust this company. This is the thing. The question that the problem i think from hawaii perspective is all the stuff they've been accused of and there's a lot is this. They've been accused of putting stuff into five g. Networks that they can then infiltrate data from those that whole business about The bloomberg thing. A couple of years ago about. I don't know what that was hawara but somebody was though all the chinese companies were installing little secret spy chips and all the servers. The problem with all of these stories is that they never pan out with real evidence and hawaii. I think quite rightly from that point. You say look yes. We might be by the chinese government. But we're not doing any of these things. The difficulty is is very difficult to prove a negative and also it's about trust. People generally don't trust the chinese government in hawaii proxy not to do these things in the future even if they're not doing them at the moment and i think there's a lot of it too i do you trust the government. I don't at all well. it quite clearly. The chinese government like all governments has political and and espionage activities that decides. It needs to carry out for his own national security. And it will do that wherever whenever it wants to. Just in the same way that the that we do here in the uk and the us dolls and everything. The difference is that eight and and again. I have some sympathy with this position. Is that chinese company. Say well hang on a minute. Come near the cia and the fbi. Do this all the time and i five six do this. All the time. unnoticed castigating companies from those countries. For doing this and yet when we get when we're doing it underneath -struction of our state We're being told that we can't we can't be lots of trade in the west. It's there is a little bit of a double standard here. Having said that. I think you're right to be suspicious. If wally there is a wide appoint point which is that everything. We use pretty much. Every piece of electronic sat more desk in front of me was manufactured in china right for different companies but a lot of it was manufactured in china and some of it by chinese companies. Are they'll device here and the problem is where do you stop your level of trust if you go for after hawaii wide. Do we then allow all of our electronics manufacturing. David where where we know. The government has designs on our information on. How designs on what we do. And you would all the perhaps it might be more successful for them to modify or install stuff into our equipment as it's being manufactured in china and then sent to the us or the uk or whatever then it would be to try and get their state-sponsored well understood chinese company Invested an unused in the in the uk and the us and european anywhere else It seems to me that in one respect banning huawei or being suspicious. W-way is seems like an obvious move to do to protect ourselves. But if you then force the chinese if they're going to go and do this stuff to basically infiltrate your apple iphone and we all samsung phone. That's been manufactured in china and you've got no visibility of it That's probably a worse situation. At least with hawas is like the you know robin the devil. You don't so i'm really. I'm really congress. Splits on this issue. But i am concerned about due process and a does really bother me that for all these things that hawaii have been accused of. There's never been a single shred of evidence produced that they actually have done it And i think if you want to uphold the The the style of western democracy that we cling to and say. How good isn't everything. Then you've gotta give everyone justice including a chinese company which means if they're accused of these things you've got to show that they've they've done it otherwise you need to back off. Can't you. can't ban them summarily. Because hey they're chinese especially when everything we buy comes from sean or anyway man it's They better home. They never actually get caught doing anything because while the company i think if they cool doing something that's a very different matter but again here in the whip in this lawsuit is an accusation made by the people who filed the lawsuit. And you come the you know. The problem is with with staff. Found in also is case of well. Are you gonna try an alleged or you can imply it until until the little actually happens in the and the the stuff is analyzing colt. You don't know whether zany evidence of this law. Or it's just the way to try and juice lucy up for assessment so speaking of lawsuits yup apples in court. All the time. I mean it's that's the way businesses nowadays And one of the things. They just changed in a lot of people are saying it's because of the lawsuits agree Apple will let video music apps linked to other payment options. So what that means you go and you download the net flicks app. You've never used net flex before. Oh this is cool. How do i subscribe well up until now you'd have to go on a computer or you know. Fire up a browser in your phone and go to the net flicks site and set up your payment options and subscribe and all that and then go back to the eappen sign into the app and then you use is worse than that because at the moment net flicks almost allowed to actually tell you to do that. They just the only thing is a logan bump up until now and it was disgusting behavior. It's like wait a minute I get that you know. Apple wants to control their ecosystem and stuff. But you're letting this app that plays videos or music and or books live on the store. But i can't subscribe to it or pay in the app itself. Well well that's the thing you can as you have to use apple's payments and use apples payment systems and they get this thirty percent cocoa or a a percents because it now varies and i think for netflix will be less than thirty percent. But you have to pay a cup of the transaction every transaction to apple and many companies have not been willing to do that because they feel it. So it's a cash crop right in in. Netflix has defense. And this i would say that net flicks was already net flicks before the iphone came out But now they will let you link from the app to a webpage that the you can do payments and stuff like that direction except not games. Yeah that's right because well okay. So so here's the new ones behind this and his apples defense of this okay. Apple says the reason they want are their customers to use in app. Purchase through apple is because that means the apple can present to you all of your subscriptions so you know what you're paying what you're not paying. You can cancel easily By just going into your eye jeans or your absol- settings selecting scripture subscription and say cancel and therefore you can't be origo less likely to be duped into on paying ongoing subscription that you don't want and also and we've all experienced this yet where you go to cancel something and they the whereas is very easy to sign up the place you go to cancel is really really obscure or doesn't exist or you have to call them or you have to write to them by letter. I had places where they insist on rising t writing to them with a letter in stem before. They'll consider cancelling Or you don't put you through to somebody you have to call them. The somebody who's expressed job is there. Toronto you out canceling so i understand that lose position saying well if you do everything through our ecosystem you don't have to deal with all of that you can Cancel anytime you want an much better for the user. The problem is the companies. Do not wanna pay the thirty percent and all the the percentage and therefore apple has been in this kind of catch twenty two which they've tried to enforce by making as difficult as possible for people to not use their own payment systems to because for for this reasoning. So this is why they've insisted that you can't even tell anybody about it in your In europe he can't tell netflix. Can't tell up until now have not even been up to say to you. We can't subscribe here but if you want to sign up this is where you go. And they certainly certainly. It still remains to be seen whether they will let you actually sign up using a web page in the app or whether it will just literally still tell you. You need to go through the web to do this. I don't even know whether the whether any links and the will actually hotline count to safari on iphone or it will. Yeah well okay. All right so that. That's an improvement. But this is this is. This is actually come from the japanese federal trade commission. So this is this is government regulation basically being applied here Who who have bright said they they feel is an antica. Pets actually has gone into effect yet by no but this is this is a proposal to settle and japan is said that if this is implemented that they will drop their anticompetitive actions against apple. So this is this is market regulation at work and this is a good thing. This one real problem. I have with this right first of all. This came out as people were talking about. A supposed of compromise. Apple made the actually was nothing. Assault was completely misreported. Which was this develop lawsuit class action lawsuit and It was all reported. That apple may concessions there when they had because they were winning the lawsuit they just settled it to avoid having their dirty laundry aired in public again And all they did was clarify something that was ordained the rules that they basically they said or if you have customs email addresses you're allowed to email them and tell them about third party payment. It's like yeah but the whole point was apple. Wouldn't let you collect customer email addresses in the app so that that was that was nothing and it was all it was all reported. His you know his regulatory pressure working which it wasn't. This is regulatory pressure. This is working and what bothers me about. This is that i you know. Apple is still fighting everything of this tooth and nail. I'm i don't get it. They surely must see they are looking like big corporate dick's over this And they and they reluctant to make any changes is just making them. Look terrible An is really really harming their reputation and then announcing the backlash of it a lot about negative publicity oversee some stuff. They did a few weeks ago. That the now backtracking on your parts of that has become. Everybody is now geared up to come and go in with app on apple with sticks and beat them up at anything they do because they've got this attitude this attitude and this impression people have. The apple is a big era ghent company. The one back down on anything you know what that now that impression these completely right because that is how they're behaving. I don't understand apple's rationale here. I i think he's it's a case of you. Know let's push away is hard. I i presume it's ouragan. It's like where apple we one of the biggest company we all know. I mean i mean the difference between an e book a movie on tv show music and a game. It doesn't make any sense because apple says well this about safety and the bull And they're saying this is developers for reader apps do not offer in-app digital girds or this is what apple says yeah Developers of reader apps do not offer in-app digital goods and services for purchase. Yes they do. Yes they do. Because i can buy. Music on amazon can buy a movie but the reality tim is that they know full well if they open the floodgates to third party payment processing for games right which are many of them are scammy scummy as apps going for trying to extort money how they users they know that if they move on that they use will get ripped off and then it will be stories in the press. That apple allows us to get rid of. We've already seen these. These stories loads and loads of times. You know back. In the early days of gaps. So you know apple allows six-year-olds run up a twenty thousand dollar bill. Yeah it's going to be the same problem again. And that's what they're trying to avoid Now you could argue that an as well that they make most of their percentage money on that purchase on games so there's a financial incentive not to to lose that as well but i suspect while they really liked the money and the money suits wall street and their share price and everything that i suspect one of their big concerns is the losing control of in app purchase and the ice in the app store for games and in fact it turning into more of a cesspool than the orios intensive ripping people off it would be. I would be more moved by that if it like. You said it wasn't already assessed pool if if those things didn't already exist in games that you can download for free and then Because the developers make these apps that are very appealing to young children an apple two somewhat to their credit has tried to curtail some of it by you know Family data plans. And you know the kid wants to buy something they have to get permission. That's but how does family plans would if you have the policy payments it doesn't as the permanency breaks it. Okay so my kids using the amazon app and he wants to watch news spiderman movie. He doesn't realize that you can't stream it on amazon. You have to buy it. He doesn't realize that he clicks linke goes there and he sees a botany collection. Our sudden we just got charged twenty dollars for a movie yet to. How is that any different. Well that that's not different. Econ do that on the amazon app. Well a beth. An example with abc video. Put it up on the on Streams a couple publicly blah blah blah. But it has a link because reader app to buy this moving. No i'd i'd i don't i don't think it works like i think if you try to do that today. And you said pumped today yes that's coming up until no up what you're talking about. Nature of this rule is coming. Yes so but the the point is is to to the reader will not let you subscribe the app it. It will have to go out to whistle so somebody needs to feed credit card number in two to enable that to happen. Yes so at that point you have a you have a certain delegation of responsibility. Yeah the problem is is what what apple doesn't want suzuki's hat happen inside games where it's frankly it's far more easy to To get people to buy know. Exactly the same norton's if i'm in games and i want to buy fifty gems right in the existing system. I tried to buy him in game. And it won't let me or it will let me With the new system. If i clicked i want. Install this option for this game that i downloaded. It's gonna take me to a website. Which again like you just said is going to require a credit card. I don't see how games are any different from a reader perspective. If it's taking you off the game itself taking the website and it's going to require a credit card yet but if you are if you are a browsing through a list of items such as movies or books. I think that the experiences such that most people recognize the when they click on one of those and it doesn't play straight away that the maybe a purchase required because that's a real world and lock but buying you know twenty spawned eulex. Gopalan in a game doesn't necessarily quite to that and not only that the games designed to make sure that you know what this game is hard but if you have twenty spawned duly becomes easier And then the next level. If you've got a twenty spondike leaks is going to be easier as well designed to try and get you to buy those things on a regular basis but if it's harder to buy that than it is if it's in-app that's inherently much more difficult but the the link the link is not to buy the thing the list out the count is only to south the count. It doesn't say that it no but that that's exactly what is full. Well then it takes you. This game takes you to a link to set up an account which requires money and then it downloads. These things for you won't be able to do that because games not reader apps and. That's why apple doesn't want to allow you to do that. It doesn't matter it doesn't make any sense to me if it's if it's a link going somewhere else for payment information to set up an account that takes a credit card. How is that any different for a game or subscription to net flex. Because i've just explained to you that the things you'll buying in the game don't equate to real world said therefore you don't realize how much you'll spending if you buy. It doesn't make any sense to me. All i'm sorry it does. If you buy books on amazon you know you've bought five things and you have them and you can see them and you can read them right. The problem with your twenty spawned leaks. It's some sort of ephemeral thing that means nothing doesn't relate to anything in the real world it deliberately is may not relate to anything in the real world and then as soon as you bought them. The game consumes them so they disappear. You know record you ever had them in the first place so that is a that is a mechanism to just basically squeeze money out people. It's just like buying chips in casino. Right they are. They are a proxy for cash. The designed to look as little like cash as possible to encourage you suspend more. They are not re this. That's the difference. They'll know a movie or a video or a video game or a. You know a tangible thing that you can in your mind mentally models. This is a thing that i now own evenly volleyball license to it right. And you can't go to a A website at a database that lists all the things that you purchased. And what you got for that money right. You can't do that with these tokens in these games. And that's why apple is saying the games are different. Now you cannot you can. Sympathize view will not but the point. Is i kind of even though. Is this ms still making the money. I kind of agree with apple. The if they were to allow that to happen for games as well as these reader apps that we would all have a worse experience and the the app store would basically descend more into the condescend bull that you see on the google side of things even at even as bad as it is today and get me wrong. It's bad what i'd like to see apple do when they make some of these is say right. We're now going to take. You've all profits from the app store and invest in the app store to make it better because at the moment is not very good tool. I you know my biggest problem with the app store right now is That apple's allowed ads in there. Yeah you know. I have a lot of fundamental problems with a lot of things apple. Do at the moment And i i've only really turned me off from appalachia comfy. They have become what we always claimed. Were the officer of where they become a massive arrogant corporate. Who likes to throw his right around. Tell people what to do and tell people want you know what to do. You should do this because we know best. I don't like it anymore. I've you know it was. It was kind of cute when they were in the dodd underdog but unfortunately become arrogant. They've made a lot of wrong decisions over the years and then they can address it up with with some stuff which makes sense and some stuff which really so thin as as to be virtually transparent. And i'd i'd really don't like it. I've i've kind of had enough of a love. Their product still You know i i. I use my iphone. My ipad all the time but a lot of other stuff. I'm i'm fallen interested in now and paul is because they cool prostitute. Well i. i don't think you're wrong. Yeah let's move on to a different story here show and this is First experience so as i've mentioned on the show before i may amazon vine person. And what that means for. Those uninitiated is Amazon offers me products for that. I can do review on and can keep the products and it's a ongoing list. So i just went to that page and you know they have a curated list of things they think i would like to review some of it. I don't want to like there's a paper towel holder under cabinet wall mount. Yeah it's probably a wireless solar powered outdoor security camera. It's kind of cool So it's hit or miss. Yeah well something came up. That i thought looked pretty cool. I wanted to try it. I don't want it necessarily in my car. And i'll explain why. Wait a minute but it's It's a company called auto cast. Att alcee ace. St auto cast kinda sounds like auto like an automobile but it's auto cast and it is a car play adapter for factory wired carplay cars so what this means is if you have a built in apple carplay in your car You gotta you know physically plug your iphone into the car and then you can use apple carplay well. Some of the newer vehicles coming out has wireless apple carplay which means as soon as it connects to the car apple carplay pops up and I always thought it was just bluetooth in in these secondary products. it's not. It's it's five gigahertz wi fi and bluetooth and so i was kinda curious. It costs one hundred fifteen bucks and Might as well give it a shot right now. I don't have a factory apple. Carplay system and my sequoia. Obviously it's a pioneer head unit But i bought this while. I got it for free. I should say. I got this. And i used it in my vehicle and it worked at actually worked now. I will say i'm not going to use it because i always plug my phone in because i've got a thirty five minute drive both ways and says a good time especially after work for me to start charging up my phone yeah But that being said so. I gave it to a co worker to us. And she's got a twenty nineteen four with apple carplay and she always wished she had wireless apple carplay. So i tried it. And then she put in her car and she's been using it for a couple of weeks. Now now donnie. Ankarlo about a year and a half ago posted a video at my mac dot com on a unit very similar to this and it was hit or miss so i was a little bit dubious about this from secondhand experience. Having both talk to danny and over the phone about this product and reading his view. I think they finally crack this nut. This thing actually works man. It's really easy to connect when you first plug it in you. Get this weird screen that you not used to seeing an apple. Carplay at all right and it. Will you know it shows you how to connect you. Just click a button on your phone on that. Boom it's done apple carplay launches and it's your phone and it works you can stream you can ever. It's every it's just apple carplay just like if you're plugged in except your phones in your pocket in remembers the last phone that was connected so you don't have to you know. Go through that rigmarole. Every time you get a car now and it just works. So have you know. System effects on battery life of you'll find by using this. I did not And that that was one of the questions i asked her. Name's julia I ask julia that. Question is draining your phone. And she says well my drives about ten minutes so i didn't notice anything. My drive is thirty. Five minutes. And i didn't notice anything either k now. If you've got an older fall maybe it will drain a little bit more. But i don't have an older iphone tested with But she said my. My bigger question is is ernie delay because when i clicked something a hit pause i launch gps. I do any of those things. If there's a delay because it's wireless. I'm less likely to think this is a great product. And she said there may be a delay and i asked for clarifications. She says every now. And then i'll push a button and it doesn't seem to do anything until i push it again and but i don't know if i push the button right or just you know i i missed or i said was. Did that happen in. You know at all when you physically plugged your phone. And she goes yes occasionally then too so you know maybe there is a slight delay. But if you're just listening to music and you hit an accident takes an extra one second gift to that next song. I don't think that you know that's too much of a negative is for me less. The music soften more other apps the east carplay lot. Why he's and things online and she said that was super smooth But let's be honest. Ways is one of those things that it doesn't need micro-second updating you know yeah it gives you enough notification. You know where you are that i. I don't think that's an issue. Yeah the traffic racing. Which is they think twice for me. I mean not the great thing about ways because everyone using is reporting traffic info for their journeys bank. It's very good rating you round traffic and if there was delay on that misa junction. No no she's talking like a one second delay on When you push button on the screen right not the data coming in. There's no delay on that. Okay the i guess the only thing worry me about product like this is the irs fifteen sixteen comes out call plays updates isn't it stops working It shouldn't in that itself. Yes acting like. It's the car stereo as far as your phone is consult well yet but yeah but the to the call play chips inside the car play system inside the car. Yeah is going to is going to. is projecting carplay from the fine correct right side with carplay from the phone changes and start sending stuff that this device can't understand there shouldn't be an issue because Built into the car would not work either. No well i think the problem is these days taking. It's taking something. There must be some translation. It's taking something wireless from the phone and then translating into something that goes to the cable to the call. But they've already got wireless car play in automobiles and choosing the same technology so. I don't think that that's a concern at all. Okay because apple's not gonna break a whole bunch of factory. Oem head units with the next version of apple carplay. You know that that would be that would not go over. Well the whole point of apple carplay and google audio or Android auto is that. It's backwards compatible. You have this in your car. Your technology moving forward as phone based rather than oem automotive based which let's be honest is going to be better. The stuff on your phone is way better than stuff built into the car. It just is and it's updated on a constant basis and if you get a newer phone it's even faster more responsive on your car screen. This just acts. As far as the the phones concerned it's connecting to a car call auto cast and then on the screen when i set it up. You get this auto. Cast kind of splash screen. That all you're doing is connecting to your car. Yeah you're done. I still worry about it. Because i suspect it's more complicated than the simple system presented their. Who knows what. Encryption or translation. Whatever's going on. I i would still be worried. They might stop working at some point. But i guess as long as the company that makes one hundred twenty bucks. Who cares. does we're talking about with phones at cost. Twelve hundred to two thousand dollars. It'll vehicle that you spent a minimum of twenty grand for you gotta be only some attempted to. They have the unique the same same model. So i'm i'm kinda tempted. Because now they have a lot of different models because it says they worked with different cars which is kind of confusing to me. Because i if if it's not compatible with say mazda but toyota. What's the difference because at the end of the day. This thing is acting like a head unit for a connection to your phone and it's just translating it through usb. So i don't understand. Why wouldn't be compatible everything which is why i wanted. Try it with a third party head unit like my pioneer. I yet and it just worked no problems at all. I was worried that was gonna feel janke. You know My my biggest issue with is. I've got this little black things sitting on my dash forever now by yet but having said that in sunlight for instance in my wife's car A not unworthy hisashi housecall play. it's a twenty eighteen years bravo. No breckenridge doesn't yeah sub. But but the thing is she uses. She uses a cable the phone all time and the cable is kind of because the locker room in the stash cable is always kinda getting away found around the gear stick and So if you would switch to something like this seeming it was a cop car which president the lacy ariza's are You what you only have that blackbox coming out the dash not long cable so He you know that would or you can you can kind of row decay. You could probably like velcro this thing on the side of the dash out of the way in just one cable. That's never unplugged from the usb port and it's much cleaner. That's kind of what. I was interested in it for for exactly that i can use a small cable plug it and you know velcro to the side of the dash on the passenger side. I don't even see it. Just the one cable sneaking around and plug in. And that's it. See my call the speed above a electronica holding the dash. Wake install things on the cup holder. So i could actually stick it in there and And then it will be out of the way and it will be like a black racist. Probably wouldn't even nights it. I'm i'm tempted to mind when i really am on the on the back of your review. They've gotten here on amazon. Exact same Multiple the alta cost. Now is your car listed as compatible. It is yeah mental masters two twenty sixteen twenty twenty so this would be something that i would definitely recommend from simply my own brief time with it and then julia's at work a couple of weeks now and i asked her Thursday i think has the wireless apple carplay things to work. Ingrained she goes. Oh my god. I love it. I said really she goes. Oh it's so much better. I just get in the car and it just works. I don't have to plug my phone in. And then sometimes. I forget to unplug my phone and i gotta to go back outside graham. I i just don't even take my phone out it. Just boop it's there and start using it i said how's gps because she had gone up north with it and she said His great. It's just like if i plug in my phone. There's no difference and that's what you were talking about a delay. The first time and she said she didn't really notice anything Again every now and then she feels like maybe she didn't push the button but other than that if she's used a steering wheel controls you know to go up and down or play those and there was never a delay so so yes so the only the only downside is say. If you need charge you fine go somewhere you gotta take somewhere else I mean my has two. Usb ports as one in the Has one in the In the kind of the that the conduct armrest in between the site. I don't know if i plug my finding their whether it will also tries to wildcard place a call that's the way Okay in which case of so for you. I would say Plug in a mac safe You know one of the wireless charging disc things plug that into the one in the head in the armed thing. Yeah and just have that coming out and then you just set your phone on top of that every time you want to charge your phone and my find. My confined doesn't have mac safe But my next one will the next one. We'll have a stronger. Battery sub. Needs sean cosmo bettas truth. Well plus you know. Most people don't have thirty five well over an hour drive everyday like i do. Yeah But quite honestly i i could have kept this in used it because i have a maxine sitting at work so when i'm sitting there for hours at a time sometimes i'll set my phone on top of that and it's charging yet and when i get home it immediately goes onto the charter here so my phone is never just laying around somewhere. Where's my phone. I don't know where i put my phone. I know exactly where my phone is. It's either in my pocket while. I'm working on my charger now. What sucks is when you go down to get coffee. And i realized i left my phone sitting charge of the internet coffee machine to grind through another. That's why even when montanes. I'm like funding pocket. He sent to plug into chosen. When i think that i also talked about on the last Geeks pub I put a new remote starter on the sequoia. And so you've gotta listen to that to get the the good stuff on that and that i can actually start my phone through my cellphone now. Startups start my car through my cell phone so in days past i would have to stick my head out halfway down the building out of a door. linux site and start my car that way with my kief up Now i could be sitting at home. And i could start my car in london if i wanted to recall. Connected stuff is amazing. We're just getting quotes for new for air conditioning. And which is quite unusual for u. k. Houses mice you gals has done but you know what is getting hot here in. This house is extremely well. Insulated is really bad in summer. We all yeah and we also about So we're gonna have probably four or five units in each of the rooms and then a single conserve condenser cooler thing outside on the wall somewhere And we asked about whether you get remote controls for those and whether you can do time. Isn't that sort of thing. And the god said. He said they're all there will do. They will three phone now and you can set the time as and you can integrate it with alexa and all of that sort things you can. You could basically just do it all on your finite and we thought oh great. That sensed exactly what we want. You know. it's amazing. How far see if you if you haven't been shopping for these things you don't realize you know how how far it's come i sit you said this my mom yesterday. She's you know because she's not being well she's spending more time in bed and she was saying that she doesn't like the tv and in the bedroom the the you know it's clunky is slow things crash source it will just buy a new one. Said you know you only want an entry level molly looking at two hundred pounds and i said we did this recently. We knew our broke in our bedroom. Just screen just died so we got a new one again. It was about five years old the step forward in the internals of these. Tv's in those five years is like night and day you won't. We've got so much better just by your mom tapie to Don't worry That brings us to our feedback. This week from john morowski This couple weeks old but he he says Tv rowe miss nemo wants a new tv because we are stuck inside and can't go to the movies. Sony's highly recommend thirty thousand dollars for forty nine inch. i think but people hate the remote. You hate all remote. She needs an easy doofus remote to operate it by herself. What's the solution different. Tv or purchase remote. Thanks much johnny mo john. Don't get the sony There was a time. Where if you spent that much money for tv is worth a thousand dollars. That is no longer the case not That's number one number two A forty nine inch. Tv shouldn't cost you more nowadays than four hundred bucks. Maybe five tops. That's number two number three. Get one that has roku built in. Yep woj way easier to use the remote for the roku is just as simple as you can get You could change the name of different inputs. You can download apps so if you use netflix. For instance you can download. It's probably already installed to be honest. the net flicks app. You sign in one time and then it just works flawlessly after that. If like me and david you use plaques you can download the plex unit there eappen stream your own content from your network Roku suppose airplay now so you can athletes from your iphone your ipads to the tv. Oh enrico has an app so you can actually use your phone or your ipad as the remote if you want to. And they have a new one that you can talk to. Yeah you just push the button on the side. Now you know. My tv is roku. But i bought it like. I don't know a year and a half ago two years ago and it didn't come with the talkie were remote so i went and bought one and it works fine. It was backwards compatible. So and here's the thing a four to five hundred dollar tv. Now we'll give you an amazing picture quality and let's be honest okay. Well sony's going to last longer. Okay let's say the sony would have lasted five years and the whatever l. g. only lasts no. The sony will last ten years and lg only last five years. So why not get the sony. Because in five years you get a brand new tv with a whole lot. In new features yeah. I'm just doing a quick search on amazon. Because i kind of i don't know Roku tv that's all i typed in roku tv Forty inch to fifty nine. This is a tcl. Here's a fifty inch. Class for four k. you hd smart roku led tv twenty twenty. One model. You ready for this david. It's this one inch bigger than what he's requesting. Three ninety eight with free delivery they go full. I mean are you kidding me. Are you kidding me. Could you imagine taking this fifty inch. Tv that weighs like seven pounds. If that right taking this with a walmart back to nineteen eighty five and the mounting in someone's house they would shit themselves go my god. What is disdained cost. Like what one point. Five million dollars kidding. You can't have something that big here's a. T. t. c. l. smart android tv. Which i wouldn't go with. I would definitely get the roku but three seventy nine. I mean i. i'm seeing the one. He had the good one three hundred nineteen pounds. I'm forty three. I just don't get the sony. It's you're buying it for the name brand not the quality anymore person you can get a jvc fight tv bill in shirley well as well and fire tv will also give you all the apps. So there's way better solutions than spending a thousand dollars on a sony unit that dubious on and all. The tv will look absolutely fantastic. Yeah but the thing is the difference between the four hundred dollar. Tv and the thousand dollar tv yet is how much of a connoisseur a you or maybe mrs nemo can be too much. She tell the difference. You're going to be able to see that. Six months you get to four cain you hd though even on the the four hundred dollar tv i i would argue that almost no normal human can tell the difference well especially when it comes to black lighting and lead and especially people our age if you go in nemo's older than we are so a no no slight on john at the end the day with twenty twenty anymore. No you know. I find the best thing to do to clean up the picture on my tv. Is cleveland losses. That does help. that really does Yeah there are expensive. Ones out there. But i mean when you get to the thousand dollar. Mark john There's a seventy five inch five. K four k. you hd dobie vision hd our q. led roku smart tv for twelve hundred bucks. Yeah i mean but yeah i is a quality is good. I don't. I don't know what makes us only quality very good. They're emotes multi terrible. I will tell you that. Sony has the worst remotes The new roku remote actually has an apple tv button. It has dedicated buttons. There's a back button a button. The d had and then smart. You know pause go forward. Go back And then some smart buttons like hulu net flicks. It's it's a no brainer. At this point john the reason we don't talk about. Tv's much on here anymore is because it's over it's over you can get a fifty inch tv for four hundred bucks ship directly to you for free that it doesn't take eight people to move it. It takes a thirteen year old. The move this tv. Oh yeah they are. They are definitely i've done. I mean i've done that i've moved. Tv's around the house. Make them outside that thing. I mean yeah it used to be that you needed to people minimum to even an inch. you know i mean you usa hey anytime you plug anything in the back of it because you knew it was a big job now you can just put the thing on your own around the house there. Of course any would say it's totally worth it to get a wall mount For your tv. Don't stick it on something. That's a big piece of hanging on the wall. They way nothing. You can get the annual exactly right and if you if you worried about that. I mean some of his worried about putting things on the walls might drop off and smashed. The expensive thing is say takes them the money you've saved on the thousand dollars and get a guys come into warm here for you. You know put it exactly where you want to make. Sure it won't come off you know. Probably and those that yeah. These these meltzer universal. They haven't changed in. You know eight nine years at this point. I don't think they're going to anytime soon. Because when you replace this tv if you ever have to. It'll mount right to your existing walmart. I mean just pop right off no problem. Yeah so that's my recommendation. I think it's david's as well. Save your money john Or do like David here he is selling his last. Mac what's going on with that. You're selling your last mac. The matt kellyanne. Now is my m more mike bouquet and great machine a fabulous fabulous machine as i have said before it is literally the best mac ever owned but the thing is is that i use it once a week. I'm the you know what to do within that once a week. I take the audio from the show i converted to. Mp three and i is dropbox. And that's only. Because i have an apple workflow. The i i built for that many years ago. I don't need for anything else and you know it's a waste. A machine that quality empower just sat there doing that job every week. I could do it on one of the many windows computers like around here which i have to have because what do my job. It's different. It was different years ago when our policies that were were lax more lax. And we could kind of you know. Take something new was doing. We could use computers. So i had a. I had a mac pro at my desk at work. I use the possible mac. When i traveled around and i had my my corporate windows machine hardly ever used it but now we can't do that anymore. Our security policies such we have to use the machines. We given and i have two windows machines here. I've won the work. I do which is too bad because amac would actually be way more secure in a Well you know. I'm not really sure that's the case anymore I think you know from from dealing with. Obviously i'm looking after low security for our windows estate. I i don't think if you have a machine that's locked down. That's running proper group policy and everything on. I'm not sure that so much the case as it used to be but the point is is it's it's it's close enough that you can argue about sit whereas before it never used to be and the reality is is that is the i use windows all the time for work. Which means i you know. And then and then at home. Most of the time amisi miley pant. So what the might really doesn't fit in anymore and it's not a bad thing though. I mean you know. Our technology needs change. I use a pc all day at work. But i'm also using my phone all day at work which integrates via the cloud to what i'm doing on the desktop which is a pc. When i'm home it's an i mak with a secondary screen But for the vast majority of the stuff that i do except maybe editing the show I can do on anything. I my my Plex server and my gaming stuff is all pc base now all my storage. The heavy duty storage is all on the pc Can i mean it's a different world than when we started tech fan or even going farther back when i started the my mak podcast. It's a different world so much of what we do as well as in the cloud. Now the data's in the cloud anyway and like you say you can access via white brows ican access it via an app on your phone or your ipad. the mac is is a. Don't get me wrong. It's a great platform. I love it though. I don't love much as i. E c because i you know. I'm kind of getting annoyed. With the change for changes this seeping into mac os at the moment but the reality is i could live with that if always using the all the time but not and so. I've just come to the point that the having desktop or laptop mac is just. It's just a waste of money for me and You know. I'd rather move. The sheen on sonoma has value in it so that is what i'm doing so they go hours. You're gonna sell for think. I paid it was it was the entry level near macbook air. So i paid two thousand for it. I'm i'll probably get some fifty four. It's easy you know I think that's the you know. Whereas if i leave a couple of well certainly if leave into next generation of an one is released though drops value even windows ten and soon to be windows. Eleven which i'd still like to play with. I just haven't gotten around to setting up a developer count downloading and installing it on this point as coming outside the fifth. I wouldn't yeah yeah At this point there so other than you can get a virus and you can get malware way easier on a windows home unit and you can mac It's hard for me to continue to recommend all you gotta get a mac. Os it's going to be issued. Get mac If they're a new computer user yes get him back but who's a newbie computer user anymore. Well not only that the newbie complexities. Then the question then becomes. Would they be better with an ipad or maybe a chromebook you know because actually that's where they're going to spend most of their time anyway online check in email and looking at facebook movies looking at some new sites. You could even argue that the a laptop or desktop windows. Pc is very much dying breed. It's way up by the fact the pc's white by the fact that so many people in corporates use it a near to keep on using it because of the things we do and laptops popular because you have to travel so back to work offline and that sort of thing but the reality is is that is that a combination of the cloud and these lower impact dedicated devices. Means that that over time it's becoming less and less important to have a you know a full operating system. And i've got to be honest with since i bought the apple keyboard folio cover for my ipad. So i've always got keyboard folded intimate. I use the ipad even more than before. Because now i've got a cable that all the time and that that's a bit of a game changer. Makes it really much more peaceful and so that has become effectively. My predominant home computer and if i could if i could process the puck castle. My pan wants to do that but they would. Just take me long doing on on a regular computer. That's one of the few areas mine advantage. Friend of mine is alex juster. His wife wanted new laptop. I use baby so She won a new laptop. They had quite a bit older macbook air macbook pro and instead they went with the new Ipad pro with an m one chip in it and he said the speed difference between that and his laptop is laughable. You know he was. He brought some video into dissing video editing and garage band. He says it was amazing. It was so much better than anything he's experienced before. So i guess if anybody's gonna campbell cannibalize apples laptop business. Mice will be apple with her Mac mac era Ipads so there. You go With that we're going to wrap up this episode of tak van. We'd love to get feedback from you. Guys it's real easy to do. What's the show at tech fan. Podcast dot com. You can also go to tech fan. Podcast dot com online or my mac dot com online and leave feedback that way and we are on the facebook and the twitter. Where at tech podcast on both of them david. We'll be back next week with a geeks pub. This is a weird thing for me to say. The brand new marvel movie. I'm dying to see it. But i don't know if i want to go to a theater in disney in all their infinite wisdom decided they're not going to release a digital day to day. It's you have to the movie theater. When cove is starting to spike again. Scarlett johansen affect. Yeah so i'd love to give you money. Disney i would. I'd be happy to spend thirty bucks to buy the movie early on disney plus. But you're not giving me that option. And well i honestly. I don't want to go to a movie theater right now. No i understand that to be honest with the. I have taken that decision. Because they realized that they don't stiff the play his in in the a chengchi may be in the way they've stripped of a paper. That's the only reason it's a business decision. But you know what they're they're getting stuffed because a lot less people like me who are big fans of your product aren't going to see it until months from now probably because we don't want to go to a movie theater there is still a pandemic going on and i'm fully vaccinated. Yeah no completely the same position so with that we're going to wrap up this episode. David elsie next week over on the sea then

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TechFan Podcast 462 - iPhone 13 VESA FlickType

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TechFan Podcast 462 - iPhone 13 VESA FlickType

"You're listening to another great podcast in the my neck podcasting network different tech podcast number four hundred and sixty two. I'm tim robertson. Joined by david. Cohen david hi. How are you. I'm good. I am If you hear this out yep that's instructions for two different products. That i got for my amac last week that i haven't finished putting together so you know you start something and then you're just like i don't feel like doing this right now. Oh you get you get all seduce on the yeltsin. Then you forget. Come back to it. And that's the. I don't get asked i. It's squirrel you know staring off in the space elsewhere in feeding them building. Lap salsa worked for low. This week. So i kind of was up to my eyes in usb sticks and Boxes and trying to keep track of wa- was up to where an olive added. Fifteen in a couple of days that so much fun Well this stupid thing is. I shouldn't have to do with our provider. Should do it or they should come from the factory. Pre configured but supply seems incapable of actually organizing that properly so to make sure. It's done right to do it yourself. So and these These are amusing marks off script to rebuild these machines to make them much soft managed as salt compatible and interestingly enough if they script goes wrong in any way completely kills the usb drive affected the. I've never seen that before. I kind of. They told me this could happen. And i kinda four year right but you know stick it in something else like a non windows machine. I'm sure he can g paseo also bamut nope absolutely nothing on tried could bring this drive back to life. It was dead. So i don't know how they manage that that that's pretty Why is good and bad depending on your perspective Fortunately sixfold gig a drive down as neil about the five six pounds so he don't cry about it too much. It's really nothing now it is. He's the annoying thing. I don't have of these drives because the laptops on building like all modern laptops. Now are you a spec- ugly so that means if you want to boot them off usb drive you have to get a usb drive. Which isn't actually that common Most of the marie and Yeah you try and use convention. It doesn't work without not fun. No no i am Trying to solve a problem the snap really a problem but my my big screen sits up on a riser. And it's a good six inches higher than my imac had. It's right next to it. So i kinda wanted to raise the amac up but i didn't wanna get a riser and it won't take any more desk space would a like to do is reclaim some dusk base right. So i got a A visa amount right. But of course the i mac. You can't use a visa amount with a. you need a special applebee's amount adaptor. I think dan you well. Yeah you don't have to get from apple and you and then you have to take part. The i mak to install it which i don't wanna do. We already know my history with taking apart the siamak yeah so there's a vivo. Adapter visa mount bracket for twenty seven. Two or twenty one to twenty seven inch. I mac and it's kind of a cool product Here i'll I'll put a note the show notes so you can actually see it as were discussing. Yeah so i've already got the bee's amount on the desk and it holds up to thirty two pounds. So this is. Mac should be no problem for it. Yeah so this this adapter Goes on the back of the amax. Stand oh see. That's clever it kind of goes it's bevelled so goes into the hole and at bolton a couple of different places but when you talk about so this help visualize for people not seeing all creatures so in a normal vase amounts you would kind of yet let you say you would take the. I'm acapa and you would take the stand off and then you'd have something coming out of the hole that comes a rectangular hole post you slip. That comes out the back of the mac. You'd have something out there. That hundred visa connector on it so that you could. That's why apple does it as you say it means taking them on apart this does is this bolts to the back of the stand and that the whole token is the whole that that the cables go through yes so allows us to go through and then there's a bit the project so it is using that support and then there's a bit the projects up above it that she has the visa amount on it. This is a clever solution whereas clever if it works well we'll find out. Yeah so an said what's going to happen. I presume when you've got this working is that you'll i'm at will be kind of suspended in space with the standstill. Attach the balsam. that's correct. Yeah but it will be off the desk. It works yeah. i think. I don't think it looks as good with the standstill on it as if it if it didn't he doesn't but let's put usb drives so i've got the stand built it's insp- it's in its place. I like the stand a lot I actually got this stand to work with a monitor at work. And then i realized after i got it and got to work. Oh this monitor isn't supposed doesn't support a be sustained at all Period there's the it doesn't do it so as a gir- so i take it home. I said you know what. I still kinda wanna get that amac up. So maybe there's some kind of an adapter took me five minutes to find this one Adapter itself You know was Twenty dollars i mean you know. It's it's really solid metal to has to be because you know it's going to be taking the hallway. The young and it comes with everything you need. And i just gotta actually the here. Why haven't really done it. Here's a real reason. I sit down. And think. I'm gonna do and i start watching a video or something and i have to completely disconnect everything from the i mac turning around install this put back plug everything in It just seems kinda like a pain in the videos. Don't really make it. Look too bad when the amex floating but the problem is they have like one power cable going up to it. And that's it. I don't i have like eight. Yeah you know. I got eight different cables. And i'm wondering how those cables are going to behave when it's floating around in the air. So what what i would do on. I've went on this thing in the past. you can get this kind of velcro. Shrouding abel's so what you do. Then you kind of root root cables all through the hole in the back of the mount and then shot them up so there then they turn into one bundle robin going everywhere and providing you have enough slag and that's the hard thing is making sure you've got enough Length so that you can everything slack. So the ports on being tensioned cables goldensohn. You should be okay but then not that can cause problems at the other end depending on how long the cables on well that and like you said the tension because i don't want the cables to be moving the monitor or the the mac itself pulling it one way or another so i have to know slack to account so it's interesting. You're you're doing this. I'm probably going to have to well not quite do this. I'm gonna have to come up with different solution at the moment. My workspace love working from home space. Which sat recording now is a small very Not very white a desk anoxia desk. It's only about Looks like about three feet wide. Something on is tiny. And then on that i have A couple of shells in the mom. Melissa raised off tonight. She had been talks. And the monash itself has usb. So i can plug my lap. My world lumps straight into it. And then i wallace wireless keyboard and mouse and all that good stuff But the thing is we're thinking about buying One of these Kind of Some house offices type things again the garden and for me to move there and Now the problem is is where. I live in sulfides. Yes it has a relatively hot. We right so when i when i move out there. I'm not gonna want to leave stuff in there all the time just because i don't think stolen on that one. The windows smashed in for. Somebody's trying to steal something. So that means. I can't have a fixed melissa. Leaving out there Because i'm gonna need to bring 'em when i'm not working so quick. Release visa amount. Yep and without seat see. That's my wife says well. She said we use them. Once you've got just bring in when you're not using it but the problem with that is that is gonna find someone to put it when i'm not using it and thanking announce going to be a pain in the neck so on toying with the idea of maybe getting one of these you know these Fifteen inch monitors that runoff. Usb see and they kind of fold up like a like a tablet when using them they have a case on an and they base is basically like a detached laptops than laptop. Monday sir and you can just plug in for your second. Monica telling me the idea that we need to have the thing built. I so i'll go plenty some thinking about this. I've just thinking about what what would work and what what will not i suppose a quick release would would be okay but on the night. Go to thing about what to do with them. One easing it. And i'll be worried about as moving it and then breaking it you know i like i dilution better. I actually have one of those The idea that when i first got it was To connect a raspberry pi to it and it was going to be for gaming in a be portable ish and it works great for that. I mean the monitor gets a great pitcher But you know. I just another poking up to the thirty two inch. Tv right next to my computer and you know with a h. e. m. i. Switch that works. I could always work. I could always just go to single ball. Nisa and not not have a second monitor. If i say so i've always gonna option as well. I mean once you used to a second monitor turned out to have one though. Well the thing rearranging windows. A lot is not really a second wellness. it's my only nisa. Because i thought the leftover closed like clam shell but it yes. It's a twenty four inch high resolution display. I get much more information on there. That i kind of my regular laptop screen absolutely so You know an and because of the nature of the work. I'm doing. I'm going to have another laptop as well but as for the home office work because that's secure too only connects the home office network so i'm rocking to laptops is is And the solution. I for that in the moment Which is quite good is. I bought one of those Electronic usb switches. Okay so i have. I have the wireless dongo four. My mouth cable plugged into that. And then i have. The switch plugged into the usb hub for the monitor so that basically means when i switch everything switches over the computer and then what i do is i can do than switch the import ones on. Usb see they're the ones on display port and so when i switch over and konic click the mouse on the other computer it wakes up and then the mona switches over to that display. So i can do that. So that's that's a neat solution as well but again off to rethink all of that too because that won't work with an external year spec- monitor so that's what we've been doing folks tedious things one thinks about. I deployed with something new this week on speaking to put it in the show notes so that you can see what it is This is something called the clockwork pie. Deaf term mrs. this is only on pre awarded on. Will they can like he stops. But it wasn't. He was kicked sauce through the company. You put the not yet. No not yet. I'm just just getting too. I was all talk. The annoying thing of it is that the picture at the top of the screen is actually of the thing conham broken. It's pieces and actually want you see what it looks like. This will pull together Oh you all to scroll down. Let me do that. So this is The i mean you can tell congress how what it is from the name depth terminus the audience development so it has a thin but wide else elliott lcd display and a little tiny a handheld computer that has roused pine ican by with. They also do an arm version. That has like a a more powerful thing than rasberry pie. And and when i say tiny it's tiny his about Probably about a five size the whole thing so as little tiny keyboard this thin but wide display at the top. And you basically you put it together yourself am they. Send it to you embiid. So i spent an evening this week putting it together as come up putting together i Like model plane but those ones that clip together all the needy goalie london. There was no screws mouth in the monitor and everything you it is a one unit. Okay yes so you've got you've got a timeline for keyboard on the is tiny. How many is kind of like a pda top keyboard. And then there's a rollerball above it the news for scrolling around And then you get the display and the only thing your supplies the batteries. Because they weren't shit the batteries from hong kong The thing is is ross reply. So you've got standard usb ports on both sides H she my out and all that sort of stuff so the thing is if you wanna turn into like leica desktop style rasberry pie just plug in a milestone cable plug it into a monitor and away you go. But then you've got the advantage with this one irregular raspberry pi. They can just disconnect and take it with you whenever you want to runs on to batteries. Yeah that that one eight six fifty batteries which sometimes see flashlights. They're very easy to get hold of their their kind of. It's a bit like a bulked up aa battery On the rechargeable so the thing recharge you straightaway. Firmness renter yes. That's that's one of the way things that built in and it's really kinda cool. It's like an like a till receipt printer you'd see on almost use this for like You know a very very small business. Garad sailors yeah absolutely. I think the idea is that you've got some output. If you'll come developing stuff you refer to becky gray no about gamers though because they put you know gaming buttons right on the keyboard they did and they also did the game. Shell which was a ross. Repipe based gameboy clone. That was previous dump for all k game. So so yes this. Because it's it can run. Retro main a new retro arch. Sorry and you can frontally anything that the roles reply three can do. This can do It's a really little system and the advantage for me. So i have a couple of rows replies how the use them because he's buying in next to get them out disconnect my of thing. Kaufman monitor with them. Yeah no they. They did a limited production run but they will be doing more and it was relatively cheap. Nothing this was about two hundred dollars including the raspberry pie because it uses the reply compete model. it doesn't use a standard raspberry. Pi uses the one list designed for the design for these sorts of embedded applications. But it's completely modular. So if you want to change the processor for one of these custom on processes i've worked with a bit more horsepower on you can do that. You can just take it upon replacing a con eclipse in lucca memory stick. It's a really neat little devices really well for and and as i say. I'm looking forward to what she doing. A bit more. Rows reply self than perhaps have in the past with this thing looks cute so i yeah it is. It is it's I don't have a place or a time in my life to use this. Yeah so you got something else After we discussed it on. I think it was. I don't think it was tech fan. I think it was Geeks pile px public disgusted. That's right. I bought the The wallace complex dot says you recommend to your colleague yourself engage. You're calling yeah. So yeah so yeah. In fact i ordered it while we're on the show Lost and we talked about it. and unruly. Police i shall. He is really quite good. I mean is completely seamless. You just plug into the poor connect to you at you. And then they it displays over the carplay screen. It displays. Its own connection thing connector up and then you pretty much good cigar every time you get in the car just fis itself up. I have had a couple of bluetooth connection problems. But i think that's from the latest fourteen point ios update. Because i've had bluetooth problems on other devices as well. So i think they broke something in bluetooth that needed a hard reset to get it working again about In terms of how the device works. It's fine. I did a long journey with ways the other day and it was fine. I listened to amazon music a lot. More than i used to in the car now because i cannot. She slept my playlists using the in-car controls which is brilliant. Don cole sarah teams call through the other day is good and it's completely you know. Yeah the only the only thing is there is a delay between. Yeah if you if you want to change a track or something like that or Not going through the plains face based just the play controls so you wanna move. I often my podcast castle. Jump forward thirty or sixty seconds. Skip an ad or something. And there's there's about probably about half a second three delay. Yeah oh no unarm stealing There's probably the there. Is that slight delay between hitting hitting forward and the and the cows jumping forward. But i've encountered that wired that same delile. My wife's toyota said for instance the system and there has a delay of exactly the same length when you're oyi using the The phone so is really not that that big a deal at all. The important thing is if if you're moving around the car planes faces con scoring on the icons and you had that it will be unusable but it doesn't have that all it's literally only the audio skipping back and forth so yes great. i'm not. I think for For what you pay for it it's It's a pretty good deal to give yourself wildcard play and frankly everybody should wants kotler. Will wallace i presume books with android. Some of them do this. One is particularly apple carplay but yeah they have the android auto as well. Yeah quite honestly android. Auto isn't as graphic as intensive as as apple carplay in fact android auto is really quite boring and lame to you but if you have an android fine and you wanna use andrew jackson the car. It's it's so we've got so you're gonna use it We actually got an email from donnie ankarlo because remember when we were talking about this i mentioned that the first time i heard about this well at least the first time i knew someone who actually bought one was donnie ankle. Oh and he did a review at my dot com for it. So i don't know if you've got that up if you want to read it or i can read. Oh yeah i can read it I just clicked with linked to see the one. He is the one he won. He's gone looks very similar to the one. I have but there are different brands different. His in his he got his over a year ago. So he goes. Hey guys heard talk about one. This call play as you may remember. I tried one a while back. That didn't live up to expectations the on but lookout for something that works about two months ago i saw this amazon decides to give it a try and then this is a new one. This is the drive drive. Link see to see play to add. I'm happy to say i'm still using it. Is it perfect. No however sites very close every now and again. There is a graphic glitch and that puts a solid block around the text of an icon but swiping. The screen gets rid of it. There is a slight delay when pushing icons there isn't ice pool until you look for it but it does not affect functionality. It's all which is exactly what you just said. Yeah i don't think. I don't notice minority icons boss boss could look harder But but yeah with with me. It's just the audio track controls. Surprisingly he says. I'm very happy with that. And love hopping in the car or not. Say the phone out my parking connected to the cable drugs. Work is under ten minutes. These days wouldn't even bala connect to my phone's the cable for dr that short with this i don't even think about it until apple releases a solution which will they will have to. The poor. Phone room has come true one day. This will do so. Yeah i mean. I'm i'm with you donnie. That's exactly the thing for me. As a thing on talked about in the show before i tend to keep my finding my pocket wherever i go and so if i plug the phone into the car than i will often when i count car forget. It's there and leave it behind the comeback all. I hope it doesn't get solan so for me having complex come up immediately just means i'm using complel- the time now. I'm very happy with that. He means it's nice to be able to choose a podcast and listen. Say without having to do that on my watch. I'm driving down the road. Which i should do. And that's what i've been doing up until now and now. I don't need to do any of them because i can use cop lights control everything i get you get all the other stuff. Of course leeann sends me a text message. Siri will read the out to me I never usable doing that before. Because she was used to get the on-driving. Don't disturb me. Gatien you don't get that when you connect to be copley because knows it can present the message safely yeah really pleased with it and Good recommendation and so. It sounds like we've got another one if the one the one that we've talked about doesn't work for you the maybe you could try and this other one donny's got I guess the only thing that The maybe we can't really effectively tests for is whether the The something about wyckoff plays implemented in your particular car neo particular had unit that might make the performance. These things different between different vehicles. Ish might get yes. Well supposed to be I think that all of these competing brands are probably using the same Sock chip system on a chip So i think they all probably perform very similarly. I'm still the reason i gave mine. Away is the forty minute. One way drive. I like plugging my phone in my my biggest issues where i put my phone when i plug it in. Sometimes they i have a magnetic mount can mount it right there and i kind of like that. But it's on event and that's not too bad when it's cold. It's hot outside. And i got the ac running quite a different story. When it's hot. And i'm blowing heat all over my iphone. That doesn't sound very nice. I don't know i. I can get another one if i want. And it won't cost me anything but i don't know i it. It just doesn't fit. How i am using apple carplay. Yeah because i'd rather my phone charging up rather than using those. Yeah and i've been in that position to as i mentioned before in my life and eleven. The batteries is getting close to eighty percent now and definitely noticed the shortage in power. By what i do is if i want to charge my phone. Why still use the worst carplay. I don't to disconnect. This box is on the size of Connoisseurs of mall toy box every big. And that's just a little short cable. It goes the usb socket in the front my dash and then it goes into low. There's a little receptacle underneath where you can leave pens and things in there. I don't want to disconnect it. When i want to reconnect my phone so what i do is use the second. Usb port my car that urge only yeah and i just have long cable coming out in that sun and that's that's in the armrest so anytime want charge my phone Then then i just pull the cable advantage and charge the phone on that. And that means. I'm not fiddling with the With the cop like a connection and that that was flying Speaking of your battery getting a little low on your iphone apple had an event this week. Yup which i did not and don't even care to watch the well. We'll i watch. I sat down. What should we. The kids You know it's look a nowadays these events you know what to expect here And it was very much what we expected the usual bit of kind of rubbish at the star. That was a bit in the middle with fitness. Plus that conner didn't really do anything for anybody But you know it's about the product reveals and they have lots of sweeping cameras and drone cameras and things like that. Now they they. This time they kind of they really content in california thing so every every year california. Really don't give a shit. Well yeah this is the thing so this this year what they deserve every presents it was presenting in a different place in california with the virtual screen behind them so they had somebody some bandstand. Somebody on the dock You know yeah and these role locations in california. We get california's peaceful You know do they have any forest fires. The homeless people this time known law. So it's not really the california experience is It's a it's a idealized could be the would choose but anyway enough about the presentation is a show. The people that work at apple that live in. Rv's all around cupertino no peeing on the sidewalk and know that weird none none. The people who are now working from high madonna. Wanna go casino on So you and i look. Let's be clear. You and i both becoming increasingly frustrated with apple as being the big corporate bad rav the big corporate good they used to be or we felt they east. Maybe they never really were but never really were but the differences they were the underdogs. Yeah exactly and now. They won the richest companies in the world. And sometimes they do some things we feel somewhat distasted and working and we're going to get so Products launched the first one was the ipad. The ipad mini which has received an update and offensively. This ipad mini is if he took lassie is ipad. Air four which i bought. And you shrunk it down to mini-size that's what this one is. I don't understand the market for an ipad. Mini to be honest with you If you want something smaller but more tablet just get the iphone. Max right micro i mean but that while the ifa minis not cheap and the max is double the price of a mini so That that what you're going to have a phone anyways so why well. Yeah because some people want to devices. Somebody who i think one phone and then they want a bigger device. In some people prob-. I think the market for the ipad mini mostly. He's either Parents buying for their kids and they don't wanna be. They don't want to be a big diverse in that and then i think second ipads people have money And it's basically saying you know. Yeah i have my panther. I carry with me most of the day. You don't want to win them reading in bed. I want something bit smaller on. I don't want something smells my find on. The ipad. mini fits that bill anonymous suspect. Five hundred dollars. Yeah well. I don't think they sell a lot of them because of that. Really leaned into that this time round. You could argue because they the cheapest they also updated the cheapest ipad And you know it's the same thing that that it's always been. It's a couple of generations behind what the current ipad. What the current ipad airs and pros and that sort of thing is but you know won't still bought far and away. The best tablet can buy And it's also the best value tablet combined since they re since they start producing. These cost rejeced one sausa- three twenty nine and you know how to get to get an ipad foot equivalent of a couple years ago is Air or pro for three. Twenty-nine is is is an awesome deal. His awesome. It supports the pencil. Admittedly the first jim pencil but who cares you know these are that these are the things that you see in kiosks in in In restaurants and and anywhere. You're taught your license plate in five cop. Paul king or anything like that These are the ones that people by a narrow so the ones that allow people by their kids get bought a lot for schools. You know they kinda cheap and cheerful and you know what even the chips in the ipads so good that even with a generational aether yeah is still an amazing processor for a tablet on these things are great you know and they go great battery life and fan louis and they kind of i suspect. They very strongly lead. Apple's ipad sales. The mini. I think is a is a niche product for specialists. It's for people who can afford to splash bit more money or for people who literally just find You know they want to do a lot reading on it and they want something smaller. This one's got a biggest green is eight point. Two intron seven point nine. It's got the the internals of the ipad air. So it's got you know. The effect is faster than the current ipad. Abby scott latest chip in the fifteen is great usb charging it's got the great display with the pro resin all of the good stuff like that basically is a mini ipad And fast flight she boat and this is great that for longtime the i've had many was kind of the one never got updated so it's great that they've found a place for it in the lineup for people he wants something smaller and you know. I reckon some people have an ipad. They use at home and then when they they won't so make small won't video on and and that sort of thing and if you have money than this is the next thing was the New iphone thirteen which man. Well you know. Look you know ye. I know you say this. Fbi met the. I did last year. They iphone twelve. That was the one that finally got me. i was like. Oh that's the one i've been waiting for. Yeah they didn't do these all you can't. I don't think it's unreasonable. To expect them to massively. Evan innovate every year. Or i don't expect them every year but every couple of years would be good. Well yeah you said. They innovated loss year this year. They've they've kind of well the not even a button because the interior the inside the phone is completely different is a completely new interior design. It's just the the what they were aiming for Khurana came out. Like a bump is. It's apparently got a much better. We won't know until lease actually launch. Apparently got a better camera again. Because that's really important for people. This one has a real image stabilization on the lens rather than digital image stabilization. So it's physically moving the lens. That's always on the iphone promex. Yeah but now. It's pushed down to the regular. I find your You know and that's kind of what you expect to see now. The led screen apparently is better now than it was last year. You know everything is better The but the big thing. I think for law people is that they The way they've redesigned it. They found more space in the case. So they were suppo- better battery in and and that means that you're going to get better battery life even though you getting some increase performance valencia's phone because you gain the latest chip now. That is a big deal. These are the sort of things that people want out of their phones. And i suspect what apple is doing is coming up with a new design and then they are tweaking it for a couple years to keep it ahead of their competitors until they come up with. The next one is can be interesting. See this year. How the camera system and the overall performance. The phone turns a battery life. What have you compared with the samsung's of this world and what their latest funds like. I don't get me wrong. I'd love to see as as you know proponent of the folding phones. I'd love to see apple. Do a folding phone. I think that will be awesome. I'd love to have a phone that did that. I'd love them to kill. The ipad mini and dura a combination of the iphone and the ipad mini in something that false closed. I think that would be amazing I hope you're hamas one. I'm sure it will 'bout they're not ready to do it in the moment Everything on this is a little bit better. And that's that's what you want to be doing if you've got a twelve should you be upgrades worth thirteen. Absolutely not and milk you know and people prob- some people will but most people. Won't i think people do that are well again. You know some people want to have the latest and greatest and they quite happy to trade up some people on the upgrade program so they can trade up with relatively little penalty. I'm on an eleven with a battery starting to go And we replace off finds in business every two years. So i'll be getting a thirteen so i'm exhausted about. You're going to get bought one terabyte one. No but you know he's a good thing. Finally apple is dropping. The is you know. I think across the board. They doubled the amount storage. You get the entry level model so that all now one. Twenty eight gig Obviously the older phones aren't so if you're buying law sees eleven you're gonna get sixty four gig one But one twenty. Eight gig is is great. I'm not somebody who personally believes. Sixty four is unusable back. When they're on the season sixteen it was unusable. high fined. Sixty four is fine. If you prepared to use the app thinning and the offload unused apps and stuff like that apple provides And mostly do your music video streaming ron local stories than i think most people are managing sixty four. But it's nice to get one twenty one twenty eight. You just need to stop the it just means you can stop thinking about all any of that and just have everything on. There is a lot harder to fill one twenty eight gig device so the fact that apple doing that when historically they've been very stingy on storage inside the devices i think is is also a good thing and for some people that in itself with an upgrade or hopefully they carry this new attitude over to the next generation of amax and mac minis. I don't think they should sell anything with last than who quite honestly one terabyte that's-that's the bare minimum on a desktop computer or laptop. And you know damn well we're gonna get those two hundred and fifty six if you look across the industry by windows laptops for work as well. I'm fifty six is. The standard is entry level them And well i can't. It depends what you doing with the. I think that the the problem with laptops is is For people using laptops yet. They're not doing much on it. Rather than kind of work he type stuff they're doing word processing spreadsheets. Email browsing all russell thing. They don't really use. They might watch the occasional video. They probably watch youtube along and that sort of thing but they're not actually doing computers that require lot local stories so actually for low flow. People all the competes in business at two fifty six gig. And when you've got the star. Sandra missile windows ten on their and our standard software light. Those about ninety one hundred gig left and if you're just working documents and stuff like thank you don't need anything on that because documents a tiny his video and audio and stuff like that that takes the spice up and in a business context or working context or a student context. You're not using that space when you need. The space is when you when you are creating video photos and stuff latte or you playing games because the games bake and that's when you need the space And so that means a laptop industry look at that goes without supreme use. we're gonna shoulder premium price. Yeah what do you think the Let's move away from apple for a minute. I don't know if we talked about this or not. I don't remember but amazon actually released their own. Tv's finally did you see this. I well. I don't think they've released them in the uk. So i'm not familiar with miss as maybe you all there They come the fire. Tv four series forty. Three inch is three sixty nine which isn't a bad price now four k. I mean it's got all the latest specs and stuff Fifty inch and fifty five inch and they also have a fire tv omni series which adds fifty bucks I guess they're more cinematic. I'm looking at the specs. Okay hands-free with alexa to way calling with alexa. Communications dobie vision. I mean quite honestly these look very good i. I wonder who's making their screens for him. Because i know amazon's not making the tv there. I'll say the not shipping. Whatever so i don't identify when these are going to be released in the uk because they've not made a big deal. Obviously you know in saas coming from amazon mickey's when you on the side they plug it very. Yeah so they've not announced these here But i i think you know again based on will. We were recommended to john a couple of weeks ago the roku. Tv's this is kind of you know the same. Meet different gravy really. This is You have all the smarts built-in which is what you want. The smallest nowadays a much better than than the tough no not even close trying stuff is is a lot better than ecb because the processes has become so cheap. So the nice thing about this. Is that if you're in a fully echo house then You know then you can. You can use those features on the tv and also have interact with your echoes. Which is i think he's he's something. We certainly do a lot here. We use a lot of our. We use the in house full and we go to a couple of screens on now. We use them for talking around the house to people in different rooms. you know. sometimes we might have the music streaming to a different location from where the sources and stuff like that so the options you have your your your tv involve ecosystem is kind of nice. I and yes the the prices are. I mean the prices are not much more expensive than the You know a cheapo. Tv from some of the entry level brands. Which is what we've been recommending. Were saying it's not worth spending a lot money on tv now so Yeah i mean you. Obviously you've got search on this. You can do you know i also collect sets a police stuff up from prime netflix alive. Unit will do all of that automated searching. That should be a nice a nice solution so a fire. Tv omni series forty three inch for nine Fire tv omni series fifty inch five. Oh nine so you go from a fifth forty three fifty inch and that is a big jump. Yet it really. Is you go from fifty to fifty five inches cash. Another fifty bucks. That's five fifty nine and then the the two top tier ones with dolby vision. The sixty five inch sixty five inches for eight twenty nine and the seventy five inch with dobie visions Eleven hundred bucks. So that's because john was talking about what forty three or forty nine inch. Tv for hours. Sony there's no way that it's insane He also came back and was asking about visa. Amount I i don't know if he's bought it yet or or or even what tv. So john you gotta philipson. In fact john you know shy look. Let's do this john. You already know how to record and send audio used to do it on. My mac podcast. You did here on tech way back in the day. Pull at your phone send us an audio will drop it right in the show and We can hear your your your voice. I haven't heard your voice them forever. Man said a citizen audio of exactly what you did what you bought what you paid. And what your impressions are. We just gave nemo homework. So so guess what. Guess what the top search on google when you click in. I've got five. Tv on in google books here when you click on and off as you other suggestions what public other people have awful. The first top suggestion is fox. Tv only uk. So i guess people want to know when this coming here number. You're not getting now. i'm on your phone. Be the white tents. Amazon is that they launched something in the us and after about six seven months than they still talking about launching it here. So i guess guess next if they're successful then we'll see these come come here. L. let's be honest you know. What's the advantage over those that roku nothing not really a rookie. Who focus tv. You can still have the amazon apple on their and son yes. The higher ones have voice of of so you can talk to them so a lot features a becoming you because i guess if you this will advance you you really all in on the amazon ecosystem. So if you do have echoes. Love the house. This is gonna fit in very slightly better but you know if you need to. Tv today in the k. And you can't get it ones. Yeah i don't. I don't think you're missing anything early. What's what's interesting with. The roku is that. I've seen that roku do this thing. That sound ball with the roku bill in. And that's kind of interesting because one of the one of the downsides these cheat tv's recommending. They often have really crappy sound. And so you know achieve sound bar what we did without tv we have a is a jv see tv but actually is not really see they one of the department stores here in the uk kind of did a deal with the to use the jvc brand pawn on the stuff they sell and so it's not a proper jv. He goes jimmy website. You won't find these things that they made in turkey by somebody on the jbc name on for brand recognition. And you know it's a fine tv. As as i think it's a four t seven something like that inch. Tv it was fine. It does it. Does everything we need. So we've brought an apple. Tv plugged into it for smarts because there is a few years old now and this is the three year old tv but the problem when we had when we when we start using it in our kitchen where we will not watch a lot time. Is that old. You just send a terrible so we picked up you know kind of as seventy dollar samba from You know. I can't even remember which brand is doesn't matter. Oh and he doesn't matter because you know what we we not looking for dolby. Five point one audio on this thing we just looking slightly better sound and want to hear what the actors were saying right. Exactly yeah. i'm this sounds night day. I mean it's it's it's it's like going from from type two two cd in terms of the quality the sound is just. It's just is so much so an it's plugged into the tv. Voracious might say it automatically switches over when you start using the tv anytime that goes wrong and it stops working. And you have to reboot it. You're not straight why you got wilson sound announcing he now sounds like it's coming out from the back of the fridge and we have on our big tv. I think it's a. I don't know what it is fifty. Five inch maybe tcl. It's a roku. I've got a sound bar on it. We lived with it for about two months with the sound on the tv itself. And i just. I couldn't take it anymore. Yeah when i can't hear like the music and the dialogue was at the same volume. There's no separation. I couldn't hear anything so we just went out and bought a. Oh maybe a two hundred dollar sound bar in it while the differences night and day. Now i'll be honest with you back when i had you know a great big the first generation. Hdtv's which was still A tube tv if you will. Yeah a. c. t. crt I had a killer stereo system. Awesome speakers surround sound. I have yet to reproduce that level of quality with the sound bar. But i take so much less space than that's more important to me now than you know. Pitch perfect audio. I don't need that when i'm watching a movie in there. Anybody who's listening to this show. Who is thinking. The may be win win. This is not great recommendation these. Tv's will definitely understand. That sounds is definitely the floor in our in our approach. And i'm sure a lot. Those people are thinking. God i would not. I wouldn't use a sound bar. Because sam balls a like the poor white trash of Of the tv world. It's like you know really looked down on because everyone says well. They don't really dig fulfill the promise they promised to give you full five point one audio and but that's not what we want. Yes i completely agree. Div you want proper movie great surround sound then you need to have a proper system with speak because all around and all of that but you know that that's great if you have a dedicated living room we can spend the time. Speaks in place where you want and run in the cabling and all of lot law. People don't want that they just want something as you say that that's pleasantly audible from the. Tv has a bit of volume two. If you want to crank it up you know. But they're not. they're not looking for the full movie experience. And that's when the sound bar really helps you out. And as i say with a roku sambo you can get the The decent app experience star built in house probably apples. I don't want to be on this. Could you default that being their wheelhouse is to to do A combination of apple. tv w. home pod with think that that would be a hundred percent in the wheelhouse. I am surprised that they done that. Yeah you're right. I know for a long time. Everyone was talking about an apple tv. I don't think that'll ever happen Well and natural. Tv screen in the apple. Yeah yeah yeah and i. I don't think that will actually happen. And i think because the price point would be ridiculous and it would be less functionality than what you're getting from amazon for christ sakes by the time you can buy an apple randy. Tv you'll be able to take your home from the store in the boot of your apple car. Yes and unroll it and use velcro to stick the whole thing because it'll be paper-thin and foldable if you wanna if you want a bigger one you just roll another one next to an wirelessly you know just a special type to join together which cost you know duct type four hundred dollars So with that we're going to wrap up this Hang on just one thing is one thing. We haven't covered Oh we do have some time. We did not apple. Watch talk about the apple watch. I don't care about the new apple watch because it's barely an upgrade. What apple's things said. Now that i don't know i had a very little piece of reality. Distortion field. walla was watching the presentation. i thought. Oh this looks really good much better than my existing. So i have a series six and then you know. Yeah after video stopped. I thought so thoughts missiles that way but you know a new apple watch is not cheap you looking at nearly four hundred dollars starting price and Yeah thought through biggest screen and and better battery life and false charging which i am going to the current watch charges about an hour. Yeah what the hell do you need. Fos charging for right yeah Especially if you then need a different park which he do i i again. I understand that we are in this. This cycle now look. These products are becoming very mature. An apple just has to with right on the mini by basis. That has to make them better. But the i there is a. There's a keyboard on there now. David awhile outlets come to that in a minute. I just wanna finish my point about the the actual history such design. I don't think they're aiming these these these products of people he one last year. I think these all the upgrade products special got an apple. Watch three this would be a good upgrade for me on an really. I think you should upgrade even three. Because you're going to have increasing problems trying to update that watch. Because i i could barely get it and i wanted the last update because it. It allowed me to unlock my phone from watch. If i was wearing a man lysenko problem now by it was a worthwhile upgrade. So i think that yeah anyone with a three should at least look at getting an se. This i'm waiting for an actual redesign. Well so here's the thing. This is what. I came to as well after i kind of the sniff some Some smelling salts off to the the my brief reality social feldman. I thought well yet the biggest screen. Nice get more information on the screen but you know what the problem is. Have i sat down or thoughts myself while. I love my apple. Watch but really. I just wish the screams a bit bigger. No because the reality is that it doesn't matter how big the screen is is never going to be big enough to display phone like information now so from the new l. Armband well though. I mean a forearm. May maybe that. Maybe that's why they coming. All the watch will drive mean be small thing. If the watch wallace he drives whatever they are. Al product ends up being fine. Be kind of awesome. But yes so. I thought to myself yeah. I really don't need the device this year having bought unless yeah and i'm with you i'm i look at it. The board room is going to have a different case. Design and that didn't come to fruition. So my my issue now i'm going to hold onto this and i'm going to wait for the new case design and then then i'll think about it and then look at while the features are i don't think there's anything there but if you're coming from and they're all people like yourself who are on seriously and we'll probably go. You know a calm update. My phone now taught by my watch. Now time to get a new one this nicely features on it. I'll i'll drop down the money for a for a fallout great. I i would say to anybody who's currently on a three. And you like you watch you keep with it at least think about an se because an se gives you a lot of the features you get on these laser watches but it's much faster and it's upgradable and is a much more modern thing than what you have in the series three. Okay get a used four five or six if you don't want to to get a new one It's funny if you look at. The prices of apple watches used on ebay place lawyer. They don't hold their value as well. Not nothing like the phones so actually you can pick up all the models for For a fair bit less money. I've noticed the value threes of connor. Drop through the floor. I mean the belly give them away now on the original ones yet. You literally can't give them away if you offer somebody and original generation apple. Watch now that they'll give you about twenty twenty dollars for says. He told us for it. But it bulged on me yeah. Yeah room saying so. But and he's his the Whilst bit more apple critcism here so one of the one of the things they announced with what i mean on the premiere with the watches. You've got to try and differentiate the features that are hardware when they do the presentation for in the features are actually built into the wacho s and every watch will get them And this one definitely seems to be one that will get which is a fully Type strikes wiping keyboard on wash display. I don't know whether this will come just for the ones with the slot big screen. But i would imagine i think you probably get every But the problem is is that Earlier this year apple suddenly rejected a an app that does this for accessibility purposes and this app been on the on the watch store for years all of a sudden they turn around. Gone said Now we reject in this now he karma store and they said that it was on the his day with fatty is using exit and a private accessibility function which the developer says. It wasn't and the developer also said it was funny. You suddenly reject my aunt. Because somebody reach out to me to ask to buy the apple. Me and i said no and Now they've effectively show lots his feature so he's going to call. He's going to take them to call. I'm you know what i think. He's probably got a fairly strong case. Here you know Of course he's gonna go to court and applicant settle it because they don't want discovery in court of of the emails around the discussions on this product. I'm very very shaw. Because i'm sure the emails went something along the lines of Yeah we'd like to do this on the next watch this guy already doing it We need to pay him off. Oh we can't pay him off. Well let's just do it anyway And locking accompany. Yeah but you know. What apple they i heard i heard on another pocus. If you weeks ago. Talking about how really lost soul twelve. Eighteen months apple seems to be really connie creating its own. Pr own goals and they really are coming off like addict company now and this is another thing where whatever the wise in the way of it the rights and the wrongs the point is it is the look just makes them look like they're addicted and they shouldn't be doing that you what they should do is they should. They should reach out to the guy apparently off the jets the they stop talking to him even though he was trying to get the app reinstated and you know apple developer relations are famous for not being particularly great. But you know what's reached out with the guy. Roy cupertino on their dime sat down said. Look this is what we want to do. What can we do to make this happen between us. You know uncon- of hammer out a deal and an apple does doesn't do that then. The problem of course is the secrecy thing they'd be going on. We don't tell him that we wanna do this feature because that will be leaking a secret. Show as eight You know anymore. Tell somebody so. We can't do that. And that emit meany lease the point where they're going to have to treat him like digs and then saw the consequence for it you know and this guy apparently is He's really really pissed and he's been critical of apple on their policies for some time and but now they've they've you know when you know when they say the movies are we can't kill the the hero because that will make him a martyr yet. This is what they're doing with these guys. They did it last year with high. They did it with epoch in some respects even though epic were dick's themselves. But what they do they behave in a way that pisses these people so up that so much The pieces the muslim much. Turn say you know what we can make a stand. We're gonna make foss. We're gonna go to call we're going to We you know we can show how terrible apple are because they all being terrible and that just does not apply to apples apples. Good you know good benefits because they all getting hammered on all sides by powerful people now about behaving like this all they do will do is encourage people say oh yeah when with. There's no less. Don't give apple a break. Well let's try and see apple the things because everyone's thinking apple it that they all have become the. Ibm you know the ones who are throwing. I walk around and think they're always ryan combine dissuaded and are completely tone deaf and You know it's just when you're the richest company in the world to one of the richest in the world and you have incredible power Just not a good look an any. It's gonna have long term consequences for the company. Yeah i i think this guy's got a good point I as you were talking. I was actually. The burj has a really good story on it. And i think apple's in trouble here not care but the this is the kind of behavior that apple has done in the past. And there's a reason it's called sherlock king. Yes but it goes back even further than that on the original mac. There was no clock for instance But there was shareware clock that you could buy new. Put it right up in. Your menu are and then apple. Just built it into the system and kill that guy's product It'd be one thing if they built it in and then just sent that developer million dollars. Sorry yeah we built it in. We want to compensate you for giving us a idea Even that would. They couldn't because they'd priced will get sued and then they'd really lose because it would be a mission but i don't know when you when you you take someone else's idea and then you bake it into the product effectively putting them out of business. That is a dick move. We move be. You could argue. It's just business when somebody in back in the day with a clock on a o'clock app in the toss bar you know that's an obvious application. It was something that apple probably should have done that anyway and when somebody's selling that independently you can argue. Well you know. Yeah it's it is tough and it's horrible We wish we didn't have to do it. But ultimately you know us as doing it means it's better experience than your con- separate app And that is just business right But the difference here is that this guy was selling his app on apple's app still using apples in it put your system and payment systems and complying with all. The apple develop a role in apple so much that they even demoted to the keyboard team at apple and then all of a sudden they turn around the ceo. Oh you know we can't have this on the store anymore for some spurious reason. We know that the reasoning they gave is often flimsy and can't be argued against because they just come they the fingers la la la la la whenever the developer tries to contact them to try and get it fixed. Yeah and then few months later than they come out and they've got exactly this is starting. I mean it's exactly the same coffee bill into the os yet. And he's already showed. It's the keyboard team that's a different level of date from. Just you know yeah. We clap and thought thought we should do that very much. Yeah and they've been taking these two percent of his count from this company so they kicked him out in the store the yeah. I'm sorry it makes it a lot worse. A hundred percent. Yeah there there's no it's indefensible on apple's part yeah now there will be people who argue and i've seen these guys on the it's now already going Y you know apple's everyone wants compartmentalized and bet. Nobody knew about app. Review and on what preview. Dan and all the sore finger festival as you said the verge tells us that he deemed the product to apple. And you know you can't the defense as as a large corporation can't be oh we've got lots of people and not. Everybody knows what everyone else is up to that you know this. The entity being sued is apple. The corporation not not certain development over at the development teams. And secondly i remember. I saw this when they reject this equals the big. It was only apple blogs and terrorists. Yeah and don't tell me that. No the apple resource. No no. don't tell me that nobody senior resides. Don't tell me that somebody who's who can be aware that the might be a conflict of interest or could be aware that the You know the the The keyboard is coming in watch. Os and can hold up the hand. Say oh we might create themselves a problem in. Don't tell me that nobody like that said that. And don't tell me they didn't put in an email somewhere which can be found by discovery so with that. We're going to wrap this up then. We'll be back next week with geeks pob. We hope you guys are subscribed to that show Every now and then. I woke stick a geeks pub in the tech fan Feed as you also subscribe tech fan every great once in a while you might see geeks pub. I haven't done it since we you know. One hundred percent separated the shows but thinking might do that again here soon We would love to get feedback from you same with a that so we can read your comments here like we did this week with donny ankarlo. It's the show at tech van. Podcast dot com. You could always go to tech van. Podcast dot com or mike dot com and leave a message right in the show notes or follow us on. Twitter and facebook is tech podcast. Stop it cat away. Been hovering around me since we started. She just decided this was playtime. So conway way. That's a gift to the geeky stuff. So david i will see you next week. See you then

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